Kindle 2 Price Drop

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External ImageIf you were intrigued by Amazon’s Kindle e-book reader but thought it was a bit expensive, there’s good news today as Amazon drops the price by $60 on the Kindle 2, to below $300. Amazon says it’s because they’re manufacturing a larger volume of the devices, decreasing the cost.

The price of the larger Kindle DX (available in 3 to 5 weeks) will stay the same: $489.

Note: If you buy a Kindle by clicking a link at LGF you help support us; we get a small piece of the purchase price as part of the Amazon Associates program. (But I’d recommend this wonderful gadget even if that weren’t so.)

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293 comments
1 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:28:29pm

Now if they would just get the damn thing to work in Canada….

2 vxbush  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:29:00pm

Well, considering I got a Sony Reader for free from my sister, I think I’m set. But it seems the hubby and I are always wanting to use it. It’s quite popular, so I could see getting a second one.

3 rightside  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:29:10pm

But can it read books older than 6,000 years old?

4 NonNativeTexan  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:29:19pm

Is K3 going to run on google-ware

5 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:30:11pm

I found out the other day that Amazon offers many non-copyright classics for free. That’s a big incentive for me, in addition to the fact that most newer books are cheaper for Kindle than in hardcover.

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:30:37pm

They’ve dropped the price by a sixth, but it’s still more than I can justify.

7 vxbush  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:31:13pm

re: #5 doppelganglander

I found out the other day that Amazon offers many non-copyright classics for free. That’s a big incentive for me, in addition to the fact that most newer books are cheaper for Kindle than in hardcover.

Alas, that’s the one downside on the Sony Reader. Their books are not, I think, cheaper than their printed cousins.

8 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:31:16pm

re: #5 doppelganglander

I found out the other day that Amazon offers many non-copyright classics for free. That’s a big incentive for me, in addition to the fact that most newer books are cheaper for Kindle than in hardcover.

Yes, as a matter of fact I got Charlie Darwin’s “The Origin of Species” for free recently.

9 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:31:39pm

Aaaargghh…

Must.Have.Color.

10 vxbush  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:32:06pm

re: #9 experiencedtraveller

Aaaargghh…

Must.Have.Color.

You’ll be waiting a while, then. E-Ink isn’t available in color, although they are working on the technology.

11 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:32:33pm

re: #5 doppelganglander

I found out the other day that Amazon offers many non-copyright classics for free. That’s a big incentive for me, in addition to the fact that most newer books are cheaper for Kindle than in hardcover.

Most of the books I read, I get for free from the library.

12 NonNativeTexan  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:34:36pm

re: #11 Alouette

Most of the books I read, I get for free from the library.

That only works if you give em back….

13 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:35:04pm

As I’ve said before, I’ll stick with print and paper for books. Just something about turning pages that’s really appealing about books. That, and there’s no battery that can die on me.

14 NonNativeTexan  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:36:05pm

re: #13 Honorary Yooper

As I’ve said before, I’ll stick with print and paper for books. Just something about turning pages that’s really appealing about books. That, and there’s no battery that can die on me.

And my Kindle broke the very first time I tried to
level a table with it.

15 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:37:47pm

re: #13 Honorary Yooper

I’d be more concerned about dropping a Kindle than dropping a book. If you drop a kindle, you’ve got a splintered kindle. Just how rugged are they? A book you can simply pick back up and resume reading. Broken kindle? You’re out the $$$.

16 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:40:47pm

re: #15 lawhawk

I’d be more concerned about dropping a Kindle than dropping a book. If you drop a kindle, you’ve got a splintered kindle. Just how rugged are they? A book you can simply pick back up and resume reading. Broken kindle? You’re out the $$$.

They had a video showing a Kindle surviving a drop test from 3 feet - don’t know if it’s still on the Kindle page, though.

17 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:40:49pm

re: #10 vxbush

You’ll be waiting a while, then. E-Ink isn’t available in color, although they are working on the technology.

The whole kindle concept is wonderful especially if we can download copyright-free books without charge (or with a nominal fee…) Kind of like what they are doing at google books I think. Which is a great resource for old, out of print books.

18 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:41:15pm

I’m gonna cry… I bought it a few days ago!

19 vxbush  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:41:57pm

re: #15 lawhawk

I’d be more concerned about dropping a Kindle than dropping a book. If you drop a kindle, you’ve got a splintered kindle. Just how rugged are they? A book you can simply pick back up and resume reading. Broken kindle? You’re out the $$$.

I actually bought a protective case for my Reader, and I’ve been very satisfied with it. What I’ve done is put the NIV Bible on it. Much lighter than paper one, and much easier to find stuff when I’m at church!

20 zombie  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:42:21pm

Why would I need a Kindle? Books have been here for 6,000 years without an electronic device making all the rules, and we all survived!

21 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:42:36pm

re: #17 experiencedtraveller

The whole kindle concept is wonderful especially if we can download copyright-free books without charge (or with a nominal fee…) Kind of like what they are doing at google books I think. Which is a great resource for old, out of print books.

And check this out, for 20th century literature whose copy-right has not expired: [Link: truly-free.org…]

22 vxbush  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:42:36pm

re: #17 experiencedtraveller

The whole kindle concept is wonderful especially if we can download copyright-free books without charge (or with a nominal fee…) Kind of like what they are doing at google books I think. Which is a great resource for old, out of print books.

Yup; Sony has a deal with Google Books, but I also download books from Project Gutenberg.

23 zombie  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:44:18pm

Working feverishly on my John Holdren report right now. Hoping to make some waves!

24 vxbush  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:44:56pm

re: #21 medaura18586

And check this out, for 20th century literature whose copy-right has not expired: [Link: truly-free.org…]

EXCELLENT!

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:46:05pm

re: #18 medaura18586

I’m gonna cry… I bought it a few days ago!

Have a sympathy upding.

26 debutaunt  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:47:10pm

re: #18 medaura18586

I’m gonna cry… I bought it a few days ago!

There’s no crying in Kindleland.

27 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:47:51pm

I find the name suspect.

Kindle. Books. Book burning.

28 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:48:02pm

re: #5 doppelganglander

I found out the other day that Amazon offers many non-copyright classics for free. That’s a big incentive for me, in addition to the fact that most newer books are cheaper for Kindle than in hardcover.

You can get them from project gutenburg as well, but some are just text files.

29 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:49:11pm

re: #21 medaura18586

Hmmm. Looks great but I wonder if some industry lawsuit (aka Napster) is pending….

30 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:49:50pm

re: #27 Ben Hur

I find the name suspect.

Kindle. Books. Book burning.

How Farenheit 451 of you.

31 zombie  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:51:02pm

re: #21 medaura18586

And check this out, for 20th century literature whose copy-right has not expired: [Link: truly-free.org…]

Holy cow! What a coincidence! Just this morning I was researching Yevgeny Zamyatin’s 1921 novel We — and that very book is available for download on that site you just linked to!

Of all the obscure things to crops up twice in the same day…

32 vxbush  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:51:11pm

For those who need a tool for managing your ebooks on your device: Calibre.

33 JustABill  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:51:15pm

re: #8 Charles

Yes, as a matter of fact I got Charlie Darwin’s “The Origin of Species” for free recently.

You should put a copy of the Bible on the same kindle and see if they can co-exist.

34 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:51:38pm

Ok. I am probably stupid here, so bear with me.
People freaked because after 9/11 the feds talked about checking library records on certain people. IIRC, it was a privacy issue.
But now you can just download books, making it easier for the feds to watch. Am I wrong? If I am wrong, fine. If I’m right, where are those people who were concerned?

35 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:52:11pm

re: #17 experiencedtraveller

The whole kindle concept is wonderful especially if we can download copyright-free books without charge (or with a nominal fee…) Kind of like what they are doing at google books I think. Which is a great resource for old, out of print books.

Correct. And I have a slew of pocket devices that can read those text files, which is the format of most of these free books. A Sony Mylo, a cheap 60 dollar Chinese personal video player, a PSP, a 10 year old Casio E115 and my list could go on.

36 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:52:30pm

I got the DX a few weeks ago and LOVE it! You can download the complete (or nearly complete) works of Shakespeare, Dickens, Wodehouse, Twain, Wharton, Wilde and lots of others for less than $4 each.

37 KenJen  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:52:58pm

I thought Obama promised free Kindles for everyone?

38 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:54:06pm

re: #36 aggieann

I got the DX a few weeks ago and LOVE it! You can download the complete (or nearly complete) works of Shakespeare, Dickens, Wodehouse, Twain, Wharton, Wilde and lots of others for less than $4 each.

Have you tried Project Gutenberg… free and legal.

39 Izzy Dunne  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:54:27pm

Bought one for my wife’s birthday last month.


Haven’t seen her since…

40 Izzy Dunne  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:55:20pm

re: #36 aggieann

I got the DX a few weeks ago

I thought it wasn’t released yet. A few weeks off, I thought.

41 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:55:51pm

re: #39 Izzy Dunne

Bought one for my wife’s birthday last month.

Haven’t seen her since…

So, it worked?

/

42 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:56:15pm

re: #34 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you look out your window after googling Ron Paul you can see the helicopters.

43 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:56:19pm

Whether in a book or on a Kindle screen, it is the written word that is priceless.

/Burgess Meredith - Twilight Zone………..

44 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:56:39pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

Have you tried Project Gutenberg… free and legal.

I’ve perused the site but haven’t downloaded anything yet.

45 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:56:40pm

re: #18 medaura18586

Call & ask for a refund! You might get it!

46 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:56:52pm

re: #34 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ok. I am probably stupid here, so bear with me.
People freaked because after 9/11 the feds talked about checking library records on certain people. IIRC, it was a privacy issue.
But now you can just download books, making it easier for the feds to watch. Am I wrong? If I am wrong, fine. If I’m right, where are those people who were concerned?

I would be pretty sure they couldn’t get the records without a warrant.

If you are that concerned, read the sensitive stuff on dead tree.

(I really don’t care if the feds know I like Terry Pratchett.)

47 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:57:26pm

Hey, Charles. You might know this. Does anyone make a camera mount that could be attached to a bicycle (or a scooter)?

48 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:57:34pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

If you look out your window after googling Ron Paul you can see the helicopters.

Your property must look like a heliport?

49 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:57:40pm

re: #31 zombie

Holy cow! What a coincidence! Just this morning I was researching Yevgeny Zamyatin’s 1921 novel We — and that very book is available for download on that site you just linked to!

Of all the obscure things to crops up twice in the same day…

That site has everything — I mean, everything. Its legality is premised on the understanding that these are loans from “an electronic library,” and the electronic copies of the books are to be deleted after reading.

50 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:58:29pm

re: #45 Floral Giraffe

Call & ask for a refund! You might get it!

Who do I call? What number? I doubt it will fly, but I lose nothing from trying.

51 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:58:34pm

re: #3 rightside

But can it read books older than 6,000 years old?

Does it have a 6,000 year battery?

52 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:58:53pm

re: #40 Izzy Dunne

I thought it wasn’t released yet. A few weeks off, I thought.

I signed up for the waiting list on the first day it was offered (around May 6, IIRC), and got it about three weeks ago.

53 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 1:59:11pm

re: #47 Noam Sayin’

Hey, Charles. You might know this. Does anyone make a camera mount that could be attached to a bicycle (or a scooter)?

Yeah, there are several — check Amazon for Sport Camera.

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

54 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:00:09pm

re: #18 medaura18586

I’m gonna cry… I bought it a few days ago!

Does your credit card offer any kind of rebates if the price of the product drops within a certain time period after the purchase?

55 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:00:52pm

re: #54 aggieann

Does your credit card offer any kind of rebates if the price of the product drops within a certain time period after the purchase?

Errrr,… I’ll check. I didn’t know any credit cards offered such perks.

56 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:01:00pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout
You can’t see invisible helicopters.
/


re: #46 EmmmieG

No, don’t get me wrong, I don’t care. I just remember seeing it on the news or something.

57 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:01:02pm

The kindle is worth owning.

All of chekov’s writings for a couple of dollars. same with joseph conrad. and the same with edmund burke.

it’s a great piece of technology.

58 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:01:07pm

re: #53 Charles

Full-service blog host. This place never ceases to amaze me.

59 zombie  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:01:08pm

re: #49 medaura18586

That site has everything — I mean, everything. Its legality is premised on the understanding that these are loans from “an electronic library,” and the electronic copies of the books are to be deleted after reading.

That’s the same supposed legal principle underlying various P2P file-sharing networks. However, recently, several lawsuits have turned out badly for P2P advocates, with judges ruling that the “sharing” rationale isn’t valid.

We shall see how things turn out in this realm. But I’m surprised the owner of that site hasn’t been sued yet…

60 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:01:54pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

If you look out your window after googling Ron Paul you can see the helicopters.

Mr. Cannadian Club, the reasonable folks were not the one’s overly concerned with library records.

61 zombie  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:01:58pm

re: #47 Noam Sayin’

Hey, Charles. You might know this. Does anyone make a camera mount that could be attached to a bicycle (or a scooter)?

re: #53 Charles

Yeah, there are several — check Amazon for Sport Camera.

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Another company called “Duct Tape” makes a very inexpensive solution.

/

62 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:02:56pm

re: #59 zombie

That’s the same supposed legal principle underlying various P2P file-sharing networks. However, recently, several lawsuits have turned out badly for P2P advocates, with judges ruling that the “sharing” rationale isn’t valid.

We shall see how things turn out in this realm. But I’m surprised the owner of that site hasn’t been sued yet…

Maybe the FBI or Interpol owns the site? A sting. Careful.

63 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:04:06pm

re: #61 zombie

Another company called “Duct Tape” makes a very inexpensive solution.

/

I used that to mount a camera on my head for a ski video I was doing

I sure do miss my hair!

64 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:04:34pm

re: #61 zombie

Another company called “Duct Tape” makes a very inexpensive solution.

/

I was thinking about cutting the mount off my tri-pod and doing just that. Then I figured someone has to make such a thing.

66 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:06:04pm

re: #59 zombie

That’s the same supposed legal principle underlying various P2P file-sharing networks. However, recently, several lawsuits have turned out badly for P2P advocates, with judges ruling that the “sharing” rationale isn’t valid.

We shall see how things turn out in this realm. But I’m surprised the owner of that site hasn’t been sued yet…

I just don’t think he’s popular enough to attract attention from publishing companies. They wouldn’t go after a mosquito with a bazooka.

67 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:06:09pm

re: #64 Noam Sayin’

Actually, my first thought was to have my mechanic machine a piece identical to the what the mount mounts to, then clamp that to the handlebars.

Simple is probably better.

68 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:06:19pm

re: #50 medaura18586

According to the returns page, if you return the Kindle within 30 days they offer a full refund. After 30 days, it’s a partial refund. I’d email Customer Service & if you’re prepared to return it, and buy a new one, I bet you get the refund…..

69 zombie  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:06:29pm

re: #64 Noam Sayin’

I was thinking about cutting the mount off my tri-pod and doing just that. Then I figured someone has to make such a thing.

Reduce, reuse, recycle — and improvise! Don’t consume. Throw yourself on the gears of commerce!

70 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:07:20pm

I’ve been reading e-books on my Blackberry via Mobipocket reader (mobipocket.com)
They sell books but also have a free converter that will take common formats (text, html, pdf, and others) and convert them to their format.
Thus, if I want, I can go to Project Gutenburg and convert all their free books for free.

I like using a device that I already carry with me.

71 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:08:26pm

re: #18 medaura18586

I’m gonna cry… I bought it a few days ago!

I’m waiting till Obama provides me one.

72 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:09:49pm

re: #68 Floral Giraffe

According to the returns page, if you return the Kindle within 30 days they offer a full refund. After 30 days, it’s a partial refund. I’d email Customer Service & if you’re prepared to return it, and buy a new one, I bet you get the refund…..

Good thinking! Since the shipping was free, I’d only spend the money for the return shipping, and it would be worth the while. They may spare me the trouble and just refund me the difference, since they won’t lose anything anyway — they’ll eventually get the same price from me.

Thanks! I didn’t know I could return it.

73 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:10:10pm

re: #68 Floral Giraffe

According to the returns page, if you return the Kindle within 30 days they offer a full refund. After 30 days, it’s a partial refund. I’d email Customer Service & if you’re prepared to return it, and buy a new one, I bet you get the refund…..

…and when the kid says: “No”
say: “supervisor please.”

74 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:10:44pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Digital Camera Photographer of the Year: recent entries, 8 July 2009

Thanks. I love #’s 1, 5 and 8

75 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:11:08pm

re: #68 Floral Giraffe

Can you send me the returns info/linky?

76 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:11:12pm

re: #70 Kosh’s Shadow

I’ve been reading e-books on my Blackberry via Mobipocket reader (mobipocket.com)
They sell books but also have a free converter that will take common formats (text, html, pdf, and others) and convert them to their format.
Thus, if I want, I can go to Project Gutenburg and convert all their free books for free.

I like using a device that I already carry with me.

Another good point. I had picked up a brand new Franklin ebook reader at goodwill for 4 bucks, it came with mobipocket reader and converter software, I was converting my whole library of play that I have written and carrying them with me, from WORD documents.

Worked fine.

Kindle seem like a very expensive answer to a non-existent need. There has been ways to carry books electronically for 15 years now.

77 KenJen  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:13:20pm

re: #39 Izzy Dunne

Bought one for my wife’s birthday last month.


Haven’t seen her since…

Maybe you can re-kindle your relationship by getting her a new one?

78 Kragar  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:13:24pm

Leaders of developing nations shun plan to cut greenhouse gases in half

The world’s biggest polluters failed to reach an agreement today on a plan to cut greenhouse-gas emissions in half by 2050, after developing nations decided not to sign on to the idea during an international summit here.

Leaders of the Group of 8 industrial nations said they would issue a statement committing to the standard later today, pledging to cut overall emissions by 50% by the middle of the century and reducing those of industrialized nations by 80%.

But leaders of developing nations balked at the plan, according to sources who were present for the talks but asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to speak for the group.

The major economies forum, which includes the world’s leading greenhouse-gas emitters, will not issue such a joint declaration after its meeting Thursday, White House officials confirmed.

79 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:13:26pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Digital Camera Photographer of the Year: recent entries, 8 July 2009

Killgore Trout -

After seeing that one, my “Joisey Eagle” looks tame. Still think that a “Netbook” is the natural format for a reader once someone puts together a proper “App” and the publishers/bookstores get it together on copyrights/royalties. More power to Amazon anyway for helping to get “e-books” accepted.

-S-

80 eon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:14:56pm

re: #59 zombie

That’s the same supposed legal principle underlying various P2P file-sharing networks. However, recently, several lawsuits have turned out badly for P2P advocates, with judges ruling that the “sharing” rationale isn’t valid.

We shall see how things turn out in this realm. But I’m surprised the owner of that site hasn’t been sued yet…

If you want to avoid the whole mess (as i do), here are some sources for free-to-keep books online, the majority both OOP and old enough that repeated searches have shown no evidence of any copyrights still extant or valid;

Project Gutenberg

Project Gutenberg Australia

Project Gutenberg EuropeYour text to link…

Hourwolf’s SF Library

Baen Free Library

All there, all free, and nobody cares if you keep them forever.

cheers

eon

81 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:17:11pm

re: #74 sattv4u2

I kind of wonder about their rules on altering pics. Some cool stuff anyways.

82 wintercat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:18:03pm

re: #80 eon

If you want to avoid the whole mess (as i do), here are some sources for free-to-keep books online, the majority both OOP and old enough that repeated searches have shown no evidence of any copyrights still extant or valid;

Project Gutenberg

Project Gutenberg Australia

Project Gutenberg EuropeYour text to link…

Hourwolf’s SF Library

Baen Free Library

All there, all free, and nobody cares if you keep them forever.

cheers

eon

There are some excellent books on these too.

83 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:19:18pm

re: #75 medaura18586

Can you send me the returns info/linky?

I went to the bottom of the main page, clicked “returns” and there’s a linky for “product specific returns” like this!
[Link: www.amazon.com…]

84 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:19:33pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

I kind of wonder about their rules on altering pics. Some cool stuff anyways.

Why would anyone for any reason “alter” a picture ! I’ve never heard of such a thing!

/////

85 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:20:00pm

Do the AlfonZo Rachel videos make anyone else uncomfortable or is it just me?

86 astronmr20  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:20:45pm

I still think the thing is too pricey, since the whole setup’s purpose is to sell more books on Amazon anyhow.

Nothing wrong with that, and it’s a great device, but just don’t want to shell that out.

For what is essentially an OS, a small flash drive, and an LCD screen, it should be sub-$100 for me to even consider.

…but that’s me.

87 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:21:15pm

re: #75 medaura18586

Can you send me the returns info/linky?

Never mind. I found it. >> So Happy now!

88 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:21:20pm

Good luck, medaura! Let us know!
BBL.

89 astronmr20  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:21:48pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Do the AlfonZo Rachel videos make anyone else uncomfortable or is it just me?

Finally, someone else said it.

90 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:22:01pm

re: #68 Floral Giraffe

According to the returns page, if you return the Kindle within 30 days they offer a full refund. After 30 days, it’s a partial refund. I’d email Customer Service & if you’re prepared to return it, and buy a new one, I bet you get the refund…..

If the order hasn’t been fulfilled yet, you’d probably get the new price automatically. That happened with an item I had on backorder at Land’s End.

91 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:22:02pm

re: #82 wintercat

There are some excellent books on these too.

Excellent? Why most, if not all, of the works of the immortal Bard of Avon are there!
To download them all, or not to download them all
That is the question


And there are works of lesser mortals, such as Jules Verne and H.G. Wells, and many, many more.

92 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:22:52pm

re: #87 medaura18586

Never mind. I found it. >> So Happy now!

Of course, you’ll have to spend your savings on new books …

93 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:23:15pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Do the AlfonZo Rachel videos make anyone else uncomfortable or is it just me?

Youtube Video

Nope, cept the mutton chop sideburns!

94 wintercat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:23:18pm

re: #91 Kosh’s Shadow

Excellent? Why most, if not all, of the works of the immortal Bard of Avon are there!
To download them all, or not to download them all
That is the question

And there are works of lesser mortals, such as Jules Verne and H.G. Wells, and many, many more.

I love the Bard.

95 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:23:37pm

re: #89 astronmr20

Heh, ok. Not just me then.

96 eon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:23:45pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Do the AlfonZo Rachel videos make anyone else uncomfortable or is it just me?

They must have made him pretty uncomfortable, too, as he’s pulled them from YouTube.

/coincidence I don’t think

cheers

eon

97 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:24:24pm

re: #90 doppelganglander

If the order hasn’t been fulfilled yet, you’d probably get the new price automatically. That happened with an item I had on backorder at Land’s End.

I was glad, though, when they didn’t give me the new price for an item I had on order at the Star Trek store for a year, as it went up $20; they gave me the price when I ordered it, and free shipping, for waiting so long.
I figured, since they weren’t going to charge me until they shipped it, I’d just wait.
(The item was an original show toy tricorder; I don’t know why it took them a year to get it right)

98 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:24:37pm

re: #96 eon

They must have made him pretty uncomfortable, too, as he’s pulled them from YouTube.

/coincidence I don’t think

cheers

eon

I just (#93) got one off of YouTube

99 astronmr20  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:24:44pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Nope.

Pajamas has some great stuff, no doubt, but I cherry-pick the content more or less. PJM lost a lot of brownie points with me when they hired Joe the Plumber.

100 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:25:10pm

re: #74 sattv4u2

Thanks. I love #’s 1, 5 and 8

Shameless self-promotion… here are two of my favorite digital pics I took a couple of years ago in Paris.

A very narrow Paris street (Left Bank)
Image: DSC00214.JPG

And the Louvre, shooting out from the Pyramid
Image: DSC00247.JPG

(Large files, about 3.5 megs each)

101 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:25:47pm

re: #93 sattv4u2

Dude, that’s creepy on a whole bunch of different levels. Haven’t even seen that one before. Yikes!

102 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:26:14pm

re: #91 Kosh’s Shadow

And there are works of lesser mortals, such as Jules Verne and H.G. Wells, and many, many more.

One cool feature of the DX (and perhaps all models) is the artwork that is displayed when it’s in sleep mode. Old-fashioned pen-and-ink drawings or engravings of authors such as Steinbeck, Twain, Jules Verne, Agatha Christie, Dumas, Emily Dickinson and Virginia Woolf.

103 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:27:06pm

For anybody sitting on the fence, wondering whether or not to get the Kindle - DO IT. You will not be sorry. I love my kindle, it’s great! It goes everywhere with me, I have about 10 books on it right now waiting to be read, and more on my amazon “save for later” list. The type size is adjustable for those of us with older eyes; you can take it anywhere and read it and the pages aren’t flopping or blowing on top of the page you’re reading; it’s light; when you finish one book, the next one is RIGHT THERE ready for you to begin. I can’t tell you how much I have enjoyed my kindle. Get it.

104 Kragar  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:27:23pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Do the AlfonZo Rachel videos make anyone else uncomfortable or is it just me?

The what?

105 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:27:27pm

re: #102 aggieann

One cool feature of the DX (and perhaps all models) is the artwork that is displayed when it’s in sleep mode. Old-fashioned pen-and-ink drawings or engravings of authors such as Steinbeck, Twain, Jules Verne, Agatha Christie, Dumas, Emily Dickinson and Virginia Woolf.

I have had to resort to reading glasses since I started using a comp. One of these little puppies will surely blind me.

106 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:27:27pm

re: #97 Kosh’s Shadow

I was glad, though, when they didn’t give me the new price for an item I had on order at the Star Trek store for a year, as it went up $20; they gave me the price when I ordered it, and free shipping, for waiting so long.
I figured, since they weren’t going to charge me until they shipped it, I’d just wait.
(The item was an original show toy tricorder; I don’t know why it took them a year to get it right)

Amazon generally does the right thing. Your problem might have been due to the manufacturer. Glad you finally got it, though.

107 astronmr20  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:27:36pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Search pajamas media.

108 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:27:36pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Dude, that’s creepy on a whole bunch of different levels. Haven’t even seen that one before. Yikes!

hehehehehe

There’s things about out there that go bump in the night, as an uncle of mine used to say to try to scare the shit out of us

109 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:28:23pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

#2 was cool

#1 , eh!

110 astronmr20  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:28:29pm

re: #105 WinterCat

I have had to resort to reading glasses since I started using a comp. One of these little puppies will surely blind me.

Actually, the display is much like reading paper and ink.. very easy on the eyes compared to other backlit devices.

111 calcajun  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:28:31pm

Kindle schmindel. Let’s make fun of Joe Biden. Nah—too easy.

112 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:28:32pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

Shameless self-promotion… here are two of my favorite digital pics I took a couple of years ago in Paris.

A very narrow Paris street (Left Bank)
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com…]

And the Louvre, shooting out from the Pyramid
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com…]

(Large files, about 3.5 megs each)

Great photos! How were you able to enter the pyramid after hours? Or did you get lucky enough to shoot when no one else was around?

113 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:28:55pm

re: #103 reine.de.tout

I didn’t even think about the adjustable type size. Even with progressive lenses, I find myself having trouble with very small print lately.

114 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:29:05pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton
Only in Europe could that be called a street!
Nice shots……….

115 astronmr20  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:29:35pm

re: #113 doppelganglander

I didn’t even think about the adjustable type size. Even with progressive lenses, I find myself having trouble with very small print lately.

Actually the kindle is great for people who have trouble with print sizes in books.

116 Kragar  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:30:53pm

re: #107 astronmr20

Search pajamas media.

Oh, that guy

117 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:31:12pm

re: #112 aggieann

Great photos! How were you able to enter the pyramid after hours? Or did you get lucky enough to shoot when no one else was around?

I hid inside in a periscope, waiting for after hours, so I could attend the coven that was meeting at the pendulum… wait… wait… that was a book I read… and wrong museum :)

No, the upstairs portion is open after hours, so you can enter it, but you cannot go downstairs to the main foyer. I took a lot of shots from the inside looking out at night.

118 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:31:25pm

re: #110 astronmr20

Actually, the display is much like reading paper and ink.. very easy on the eyes compared to other backlit devices.

Well, there is also the love of cuddling up on the couch or an overstuffed chair with a beautiful old book. Worn pages from having been read before. A lovely teapot brewing on the small table next to me. Rain falling softly against the window that looks out into my garden…

119 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:31:47pm

re: #114 reloadingisnotahobby

Only in Europe could that be called a street!
Nice shots……….

And it was a two-way street!

120 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:32:14pm

re: #114 reloadingisnotahobby

Only in Europe could that be called a street!
Nice shots……….

Thanks.

121 eon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:32:41pm

re: #93 sattv4u2

www.youtube.com...]>www.youtube.com…]>
Nope, cept the mutton chop sideburns!

Yee-owtch!

It’s interesting how he can demolish the philosophical foundations of “progressivism” in under five minutes in plain English.

If I were The One, this gent would make me extremely uncomfortable.

cheers

eon

122 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:33:26pm

re: #118 WinterCat

Well, there is also the love of cuddling up on the couch or an overstuffed chair with a beautiful old book. Worn pages from having been read before. A lovely teapot brewing on the small table next to me. Rain falling softly against the window that looks out into my garden…

… and the power goes out!

123 CapitalistTool  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:33:41pm

re: #9 experiencedtraveller

Aaaargghh…

Must.Have.Color.

The files have color. I can see them on my iPod Touch with Amazon’s Kindle Reader program from the iPhone App Store. It’s the Kindle hardware that doesn’t have color.

I love the Touch as an eBook Reader. I understand that many people won’t like the small screen, but I love how portable it is, and that it is a great media player in general.

124 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:33:44pm

re: #86 astronmr20

But does it have the book written by Erasmus titled “Exposition of the Apostle’s Creed” dedicated to the father of Ann Boleyn available? My copy from 1532 is a bit dated these days. [Link: plato.stanford.edu…] More seriously, I am wondering about the staying power of this widget. You can’t read 9 track tapes anywhere much less 556BPI 7 track tapes. I will still buy my books in woodware.

125 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:33:47pm

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

I hid inside in a periscope, waiting for after hours, so I could attend the coven that was meeting at the pendulum… wait… wait… that was a book I read… and wrong museum :)

No, the upstairs portion is open after hours, so you can enter it, but you cannot go downstairs to the main foyer. I took a lot of shots from the inside looking out at night.

Nice work.

126 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:33:52pm

I’m waiting for the” Total Recall “version so I can actually sort of
kinda vicariously LIVE the book!

127 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:34:48pm

re: #125 doppelganglander

Nice work.

Thank you.

128 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:34:51pm

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

… and the power goes out!

I’ll light some candles.

129 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:35:57pm

re: #106 doppelganglander

Amazon generally does the right thing. Your problem might have been due to the manufacturer. Glad you finally got it, though.

This wasn’t through Amazon; it was an example of how prices change.
And yes, the problem was with the manufacturer.

130 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:36:11pm

re: #126 reloadingisnotahobby

I’m waiting for the” Total Recall “version so I can actually sort of
kinda vicariously LIVE the book!

That could be a very bad idea, depending on the book. “Pride and Prejudice,” yes; “Moby Dick,” not so much.

131 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:36:36pm

re: #103 reine.de.tout

For anybody sitting on the fence, wondering whether or not to get the Kindle - DO IT. You will not be sorry. I love my kindle, it’s great! It goes everywhere with me, I have about 10 books on it right now waiting to be read, and more on my amazon “save for later” list. The type size is adjustable for those of us with older eyes; you can take it anywhere and read it and the pages aren’t flopping or blowing on top of the page you’re reading; it’s light; when you finish one book, the next one is RIGHT THERE ready for you to begin. I can’t tell you how much I have enjoyed my kindle. Get it.

My mother was about to buy a Kindle until she found out that she still had to pay for the books.

132 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:36:52pm

re: #126 reloadingisnotahobby

I’m waiting for the” Total Recall “version so I can actually sort of
kinda vicariously LIVE the book!

That would depend on the book. There are some that I wouldn’t want to live, even vicariously.

133 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:37:03pm

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

I hid inside in a periscope, waiting for after hours, so I could attend the coven that was meeting at the pendulum… wait… wait… that was a book I read… and wrong museum :)

No, the upstairs portion is open after hours, so you can enter it, but you cannot go downstairs to the main foyer. I took a lot of shots from the inside looking out at night.

That’s good to know. All of my photos from there have people walking by in the background and scratching their rear ends, etc.

134 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:37:43pm

re: #8 Charles

Yes, as a matter of fact I got Charlie Darwin’s “The Origin of Species” for free recently.

“Charlie”? So you’re on a first name basis now?

/ducking

135 greenmiler  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:38:04pm

re: #123 CapitalistTool

I use the ipod touch to read half of my Kindle books; it synchs with what page you left off at in the kindle

136 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:38:21pm

re: #132 Kosh’s Shadow

That would depend on the book. There are some that I wouldn’t want to live, even vicariously.

And those eyes popping out? Ick.

137 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:38:45pm

re: #120 Walter L. Newton
I’m still stuck in the 80’s…..
My favorite’s are one of my three Olympus OM 1 ‘s
Film is going to over in the next two three years I hear!

138 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:38:52pm

re: #125 doppelganglander

Nice work.

Yes, I should have noted that, too! Don’t you know the clerks in the bookstore get tired of people asking about that?

139 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:39:02pm
Our new rules to live by, by the way:
The Rules of Socialist Acquisition
(a representative sample)

To each according to his ability to work the system.
Compassion without coercion is useless.
Never ask when you can use the government to take.
The vast majority of the rich in this galaxy are undertaxed.
All we want is what’s yours.
Monopoly is evil unless the government runs it.
Class envy makes a good running mate.
If a government program fails, repeat.
Every rake deserves to be stepped on twice.
It is critical that the expected “returns” on any “investment” are never defined.
Never feed the hungry on an empty stomach.
Always know who you’re buying.
Exclusive knowledge is power.
Never be afraid to mislabel an opponent.
Be clean, articulate, and non-threatening.
When in doubt, throw a friend under the bus.
Never allow others’ self-interest to stand in the way of your common good.
A liberal without guilt is no liberal at all.
When someone says, “I’m not a racist,” he’s lying.
A dead vote is just as good as a live one.
A good vote is worth casting twice.
Actual progress is not guaranteed.
Small print is the best invention since snake oil.
Entitlements and handouts will always overcome freedom and opportunity.
Integrity is no substitute for campaign cash.
A friend in need is a potential donor and land deal partner.
Never confuse powerful financial backers with luck.
Make sure your campaign cash doesn’t cost you more than it is really worth.
Beware of relatives giving speeches.
There’s nothing more dangerous than an honest political adviser.
The most beautiful thing about the environment is that you can turn it into an election issue.
Citing Global Warming yields more cash than pointing a gun.
Always trust a person wearing a suit better than your own.
Moral choice is a complex personal issue that is better defined by focus groups.
Morality has limits. Moral relativism has none.
Never make fun of a Democrat candidate’s family. Insult something he cares about instead.
Be careful what you legislate. It may do exactly what Rush Limbaugh says it would.
Compromise means the absence of opposition to Democrats.
War is good for political activism.
People could afford housing and healthcare without the government - if it weren’t for the government.
Talk is cheap. Heap it generously on the public.
There isn’t a gaffe by a Democrat politician that the media won’t overlook.
Never argue with a loaded Kennedy.
Labor camps are full of people who opposed someone’s beautiful dream.
Entitlement is the easiest way to enslave a population.
Democracy has limits. Dictatorship has none.
Saying stupid things is often smart.
Never cross Michelle Obama.
Never let the electorate know what you’re thinking.
Never admit anything that can’t be later blamed on Republicans.
Only the Democrats could screw up New Orleans so badly and keep getting elected.
Knowledge is bliss, ignorance is power.
Give someone a fish, you feed him for one day. Teach him how to fish, and you lose a Democrat voter.
Pursue social justice; money and power will come later.
All voters are suckers.
Every once in a while offer a compromise; it confuses the hell out of Republicans.

140 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:39:10pm

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Leaders of developing nations shun plan to cut greenhouse gases in half

Kragar (PtbK) -

We might as well have a King Canute Memorial Conference. Without technology to back up the goals there will be one of two results:

a. The effort will be abandoned when the costs in living standards become apparent.

b. As living standards decline, lots of people will die - of disease, of starvation, of exposure and “Plagues” of Biblical Proportions.

As for me, I’m for “do it all” - Conventional Petroleum, Cleaned Up Coal, Natural Gas, Bio-Fuel (Hopefully More Efficient than Corn Based Ethanol),
Wind (Put Some Windmills off my Coast and I’ll make them a Tourist Attraction! - Works for the Netherlands, Doesn’t It?), Hydro, Geothermal, Solar, Nuclear - Both Fission and Fusion. My policy would be to make “renewables” essentially a TAX FREE business for a period of at least Ten Years rather than strangle current energy sources with additional taxes.
Unleash the dogs of Free Enterprise and watch what happens.

-S-

141 Kragar  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:39:16pm

For all the Handymen out there:

[Link: thereifixedit.com…]

142 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:39:32pm
There is no substitute for an unnecessary government program.
Never do something that the government can do for you.
Never spend your own money when you can spend the government’s.
Money taken as profit is immoral; money taken by government is the highest form of Lightworking.
If it can get you elected, say it!
Only fools say what they believe.
Faith moves mountains of “Obama” memorabilia.
Poverty is no crime. Better yet, it’s an excellent source of votes for the Democrat party.
Even in the worst of times, someone always gets elected.
Never snort cocaine and have sex in a limo with a homosexual drug user named Larry Sinclair.
Oil is a stolen product.
Practice saying it in front of the mirror: “This isn’t the Almighty God that I know.”
Law makes everyone equal, but presidential pardons go to the highest bidder.
There’s nothing wrong with big business as long as they donate to anti-business causes.
Never buy votes if ACORN can fix it for nothing.
Friends and family are the rungs on the ladder of success - don’t hesitate to step on them.
Blood is thicker than Kool-Aid.
Blame Bush first; ask questions later.


143 eon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:40:32pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

hehehehehe

There’s things about out there that go bump in the night, as an uncle of mine used to say to try to scare the shit out of us

That never worked with me. I always assumed that those things going “bump” would be more scared of me, considering that I was the one with the 12-gauge next to the bedroom window.

“Hi, little boy! I’m the Boggie! Aren’t you scared?”

(Sound of pump being racked on M1897 Winchester)

“No. Are you?”

/Hey, it could have happened.

cheers

eon

144 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:41:27pm

re: #141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What an IDIOT!
There’s NO room for the beer cooler!

145 bbuddha  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:42:14pm

I’ve been thinking about getting one because I ran out of spaces to put more bookcases. I love books, It might be hard to get used to the electronic thing but it would probably save me money in the long run. the downloadable version is usually cheaper.

146 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:42:45pm

re: #141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For all the Handymen out there:

[Link: thereifixedit.com…]

Bookmarked!

147 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:43:27pm

re: #145 bbuddha

I’ve been thinking about getting one because I ran out of spaces to put more bookcases. I love books, It might be hard to get used to the electronic thing but it would probably save me money in the long run. the downloadable version is usually cheaper.

No, turn away from the dark side.

148 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:43:46pm

re: #145 bbuddha
Honey,Is that you?
Just kiddin…My wife has books where towels,TP and shower
supply should be !

149 poteen  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:44:16pm

re: #144 reloadingisnotahobby

What an IDIOT!
There’s NO room for the beer cooler!

Dummy! Any good river rafter knows the beer gets it’s own raft. Hell, my cooler IS a raft.

150 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:44:39pm

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

“Charlie”? So you’re on a first name basis now?

/ducking

Chuckie, to his closest buds

151 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:45:11pm

re: #131 Alouette

My mother was about to buy a Kindle until she found out that she still had to pay for the books.

But the books are less expensive.
and there’s nothing to figure out how to discard afterwards.

152 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:46:05pm

re: #141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For all the Handymen out there:

[Link: thereifixedit.com…]

LOL. The electrical extension cord and plug unit must be a set up. No amount of beer would bring anyone to the point of rigging something like that for real.

153 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:46:44pm

re: #141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For all the Handymen out there:

[Link: thereifixedit.com…]

The first two pieces of wood on the flotation device are dog-ear fence pickets. Look at the ends on the chair’s right (picture’s left).

154 poteen  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:46:46pm

re: #151 reine.de.tout

But the books are less expensive.
and there’s nothing to figure out how to discard afterwards.

Blasphemy! (Unless it’s paperback fiction)

155 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:47:11pm

re: #149 poteen

Dummy! Any good river rafter knows the beer gets it’s own raft. Hell, my cooler IS a raft.

Or at the very least, its own inner-tube.

156 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:47:40pm

I’m waiting for the Kindle 2 to drop to $199, or lower.

157 Sparkizzy  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:49:30pm

Sorry for the OT:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

L’AQUILA, Italy — The world’s major industrial nations and newly emerging powers failed to agree Wednesday on specific cuts in heat-trapping gases by 2050, undercutting an effort to build a global consensusto fight climate change, according to people following the talks.

WHAT! UNPOSSIBLE!11!

158 bbuddha  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:50:12pm

re: #148 reloadingisnotahobby

I hadn’t thought of using the linen closet. That would be good for another month.

159 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:51:17pm

re: #88 Floral Giraffe

Good luck, medaura! Let us know!
BBL.

I love Amazon!

Not after five minutes from emailing them, I received this:

Hello,

Thanks for contacting us about the recent price change for Kindle (Latest Generation). I’ve reviewed your order and see the price change occurred within 30 days from the time your Kindle order shipped.

Because of the circumstances, I’ll issue a refund for the price difference in the amount of $60.00. You should see the refund in the next 2-3 business days.

We look forward to seeing you again soon.

Please let us know if this e-mail resolved your question:

Woo hoo! Am I lucky or what!

160 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:51:53pm

re: #149 poteen
He’ll also need a 50lb thrust trolling motor if goes the beer raft route!
I’m comforted to note there are no running lights so we will not have to worry about running his dumb ass over at night!

161 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:52:14pm

re: #159 medaura18586

Woo hoo! Am I lucky or what!

Excellent. That’s good customer service.

162 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:52:33pm

re: #159 medaura18586

No, because now you are buying the beer.

/

163 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:52:37pm

Viva 30-day price matching guarantee!

/euphoric here…

164 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:52:39pm

re: #155 reine.de.tout

Or at the very least, its own inner-tube.

Just wear your darned life vests. My buddy is the guy they call to pull bodies from the river. And he gets a few calls every single summer….

165 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:53:03pm

re: #156 Ward Cleaver

I’m waiting for the Kindle 2 to drop to $199, or lower.

…and I’m still waiting till Øbama gives me one.

166 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:53:17pm

re: #158 bbuddha
Ah geeze…………….
LOL

167 eon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:53:31pm

re: #147 WinterCat

No, turn away from the dark side.

As Isaac Asimov once observed, a book is the most efficient data storage a retrieval device ever conceived. It requires no electricity, has only one type of moving part (the pages), is infinitely “addressable” (by turning same), and is remarkable pan-climatic. No, it won’t survive temperatures over 451 degrees Fahrenheit, but then you probably wouldn’t, either.

Plus, it requires only one skill to operate. It’s called “literacy”.

And of course, the knowledge of the classical Greek and Roman civilizations wasn’t preserved through the Dark Ages on Flash drives.

cheers

eon

168 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:53:45pm

re: #162 OldLineTexan

No, because now you are buying the beer.

/

Dang, medaura, I’m sorry … I said “beer” and DEZes appeared.

/

169 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:53:53pm

re: #124 Shr_Nfr

… More seriously, I am wondering about the staying power of this widget. You can’t read 9 track tapes anywhere much less 556BPI 7 track tapes. …

Within the last few years (not exactly sure how many), Fox News was doing a liveshot from the IRS Cincinnati processing center on April 15th. In the background was a whole bank of IBM 370 era magnetic tape units, all turning. They had to be 9 track units. So much for a modern, efficient government.

Wait! Who wants the IRS to be efficient?

170 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:54:12pm

re: #159 medaura18586

Are you in a state with legal gaming?

171 3 wood  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:54:15pm

In market news today, things were fairly flat as the dow was up slightly and the S&P 500 down slightly.

Do not be surprised if you see the S&P take another drop and test the lows. Various technical support points were breached recently calling for another sell off.

In addition to the growing unemployment, you also have to take into account the under employed and the early retired. More and more folks I know in their 50’s are being handed early retirement buyouts and encouraged to take them. A friend of mine had that happen just yesterday. Of course folks who are retired, voluntarily or otherwise, do not show up on the unemployment roles.

172 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:54:28pm

re: #167 eon

Yeah, but if the Library at Alexandria had been backed up …

173 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:55:27pm

re: #172 OldLineTexan

Yeah, but if the Library at Alexandria had been backed up …

… then maybe they need to call a plumber?

174 JacksonTn  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:55:32pm

re: #165 unrealizedviewpoint

…and I’m still waiting till Øbama gives me one.

urvp … if he did … what do you think would be preloaded on it? … because you know it would come with something …

175 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:55:45pm

re: #170 reloadingisnotahobby

Are you in a state with legal gaming?

New York… I’m not sure. Why?

176 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:56:03pm

re: #173 Walter L. Newton

… then maybe they need to call a plumber?

What would you call a plumber?

/I have an answer in mind …

177 eon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:57:10pm

re: #172 OldLineTexan

Yeah, but if the Library at Alexandria had been backed up …

I’ve often suspected that if we had access to what was destroyed there, there would have been no mystery about the Antikythera Mechanism.

Most likely, the mechanics archives included the widget’s owner’s manual.

cheers

eon

178 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:57:12pm

re: #175 medaura18586

Ha!
With that kinda luck you could………..
Ya like Blackjack?

179 DEZes  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:57:32pm

re: #168 OldLineTexan

Dang, medaura, I’m sorry … I said “beer” and DEZes appeared.

/

Nark. ;)

180 Gearhead  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:57:40pm

$60 - wow!

Oh, wait. That’s “by”, not “to”.

Shoot.

181 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:57:45pm

re: #148 reloadingisnotahobby

Honey,Is that you?
Just kiddin…My wife has books where towels,TP and shower
supply should be !

We discovered a months-old water leak under our master bathroom shower only when I finally moved some books that were stacked up along the wall in our adjacent master bedroom! A section of the hardwood floor and foundation were ruined, and hubby was NOT happy that we didn’t find it sooner!

182 bbuddha  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:57:45pm

bbiab, dinner is served.

183 ArmyWife  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:58:11pm

Last time this was brought up, Charles told me it was great for reading in bed and ever since then when I read in bed I think “I should really get one”. So here is the deal - if my house in MD sells in the very near future I buy one though the LGF link. If we can now all join hands and think “sell house, sell!” the plan will fall in to place. Ok?

184 3 wood  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:59:01pm

Bad news for commercial real estate:


Distressed Commercial Property in U.S. Doubles to $108 Billion

Commercial properties in the U.S. valued at more than $108 billion are now in default, foreclosure or bankruptcy, almost double than at the start of the year, Real Capital Analytics Inc. said.

There were 5,315 buildings in financial distress at the end of June, the New York-based real estate research firm said in a report issued today. That’s more than twice the number of troubled properties at the end of 2008.


Yep, that stimulus plan is working wonders. Let’s have two.

185 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:59:25pm

re: #183 ArmyWife

Last time this was brought up, Charles told me it was great for reading in bed and ever since then when I read in bed I think “I should really get one”. So here is the deal - if my house in MD sells in the very near future I buy one though the LGF link. If we can now all join hands and think “sell house, sell!” the plan will fall in to place. Ok?

Here’s hoping your house sells but what’s wrong with an itty bitty book light for reading in bed?

186 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:59:27pm
187 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:59:41pm

re: #181 aggieann
I wish I could blame my 106 year old home maint issues on my wifes book collection!
I’ll work that and let your hubby now!
*giggle*

188 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 2:59:49pm

Ahh, it’s nice to be here with sane people. I am SO tired of all the Palin bashing.

189 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:00:31pm

re: #184 3 wood

Bad news for commercial real estate:

Distressed Commercial Property in U.S. Doubles to $108 Billion

Yep, that stimulus plan is working wonders. Let’s have two.

That’s gonna be a major “oh shit!” moment when that comes due. First went the residential real estate, now we’ll see the commerical real estate go down in value.

190 ArmyWife  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:00:31pm

re: #185 WinterCat

Simply not as cool. Or so I’ve been told.

191 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:00:39pm

re: #188 Alaska Kim

Ahh, it’s nice to be here with sane people. I am SO tired of all the Palin bashing.

Are you in Alaska?

192 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:01:18pm

re: #191 WinterCat

Are you in Alaska?

Yep.

193 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:01:33pm

re: #181 aggieann

You could also ask for a “Library Wing” addition!
Tell him you’ll name it after him………

194 Kragar  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:01:53pm

re: #184 3 wood

Bad news for commercial real estate:


Distressed Commercial Property in U.S. Doubles to $108 Billion


Yep, that stimulus plan is working wonders. Let’s have two.

Obviously the answer is more taxes and new government jobs

/

195 albusteve  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:02:11pm

a sizzling 100deg in ABQ and not a cloud in the sky….(but it’s dry heat)

196 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:02:30pm

re: #190 ArmyWife

Simply not as cool. Or so I’ve been told.

Hmm. Ok, I won’t be a rabble rouser. Everyone has to make their own choice. And since I love old books, Kindle will mean that more books will become available for me to buy from used book dealers.

197 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:02:55pm

re: #195 albusteve

a sizzling 100deg in ABQ and not a cloud in the sky….(but it’s dry heat)

a sizzling 82 here in Juneau, AK and I think I’m going to die.

198 ArmyWife  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:03:08pm

re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

no silly. It’s putting a new “Distressed Commercial Property Czar” in place.

Ever wonder if those “Created jobs” are all in Obama’s cabinet?

199 3 wood  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:03:29pm

Sports Nerd Corner:

In the ongoing tragedy of the Steve McNair murder/suicide case, it’s starting to look like the girl friend found out that she was not the one and only girl friend on the side that this guy had.

Imagine that, a guy cheating on his wife with her was also cheating on her with someone else.

Who wouldathunkit?

200 albusteve  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:03:46pm

re: #197 Alaska Kim

a sizzling 82 here in Juneau, AK and I think I’m going to die.

yeah, heat stroke I’m sure

201 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:03:57pm

re: #197 Alaska Kim

Polar Bears must be dropping like flies!
Hey Kim!

202 3 wood  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:04:26pm

re: #189 Honorary Yooper

That’s gonna be a major “oh shit!” moment when that comes due. First went the residential real estate, now we’ll see the commerical real estate go down in value.

I predict that some fire departments are going to get real busy.

203 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:04:35pm

re: #199 3 wood

Sports Nerd Corner:

In the ongoing tragedy of the Steve McNair
murder/suicide case, it’s starting to look like the girl friend found
out that she was not the one and only girl friend on the side that this
guy had.

Imagine that, a guy cheating on his wife with her was also cheating on her with someone else.

Who wouldathunkit?

someone should’ve told the girlfriend, “If he’ll do it with you, he’ll do it TO you”

204 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:04:54pm

re: #197 Alaska Kim

a sizzling 82 here in Juneau, AK and I think I’m going to die.

It’s not the heat, it’s the rotting carcasses of drowned polar bears.

/

205 oh_dude  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:05:08pm

Exactly. Why buy it so quickly? Some gadget geeks have a serious illness. Either that or they’re just rich Republicans.

206 ArmyWife  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:05:19pm

re: #196 WinterCat

I like books, too! The feel of paper in my hand is something I feel I’d miss, but I am one of those blind faith followers of Charles the stalker blogs get all a twitter over, so I must have one, you see.

/JK, but thus far I’ve not been steered wrongly by a CJ tech suggestion insofar as I understand them.

207 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:05:19pm

re: #197 Alaska Kim

a sizzling 82 here in Juneau, AK and I think I’m going to die.

82, sizzling? You haven’t lived until you had our 90 degrees with a dewpoint of 78 degrees that we had a couple of weeks ago. The heat index was up around 105 or so.

208 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:05:47pm

re: #201 reloadingisnotahobby

Polar Bears must be dropping like flies!
Hey Kim!

I don’t know about the polar bears, but I have the air conditioner on full blast.

209 ArmyWife  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:05:53pm

re: #199 3 wood

and just where is the wife now? Can you imagine the pain she is going through right now?

210 Born Again Republican  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:05:58pm

medaura18586 It wouldn’t hurt to contact Amazon and see if they wouldn’t give you the discounted price since you bought it a few days ago.

211 3 wood  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:06:02pm

re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously the answer is more taxes and new government jobs

Plus taxing “the rich”, who probably own a lot of that property, to punish them.

That’l teach ‘em.

212 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:06:20pm

re: #202 3 wood

I predict that some fire departments are going to get real busy.

Yep, and overworked and underpaid. There’ll be less tax money for them, and they’ll have longer hours and more calls.

213 opnion  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:06:24pm

re: #188 Alaska Kim

Ahh, it’s nice to be here with sane people. I am SO tired of all the Palin bashing.

In the the Chicago Tribune OP-Ed today, Clarence Page & Kathleen Parker really ripped her. It gets old. Her crtics just can’t let it go with criticising her expoerience & policies, they have to get personal.
She is a decent person with convictions & does not deserve the vitriol thrown at her & her family.

214 eon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:06:52pm

Well, I have to go. Have a great evening, Lizards.

cheers

eon

215 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:07:21pm

re: #207 Honorary Yooper

82,
sizzling? You haven’t lived until you had our 90 degrees with a
dewpoint of 78 degrees that we had a couple of weeks ago. The heat
index was up around 105 or so.

Just shoot me.

216 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:07:42pm

re: #208 Alaska Kim

I don’t know about the polar bears, but I have the air conditioner on full blast.

I’m sorry, I shouldn’t laugh, but I keep my A/C at 78-79 during the summer. It’s like watching a Southerner talk about how cold 40 degrees is.

217 LGoPs  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:07:51pm

re: #213 opnion

In the the Chicago Tribune OP-Ed today, Clarence Page & Kathleen Parker really ripped her. It gets old. Her crtics just can’t let it go with criticising her expoerience & policies, they have to get personal.
She is a decent person with convictions & does not deserve the vitriol thrown at her & her family.

Welcome to the world of the tolerant left……..
*Spit*

218 3 wood  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:08:15pm

re: #209 ArmyWife

and just where is the wife now? Can you imagine the pain she is going through right now?

Awful pain, I’m sure.

If I was her I’d be cashing in any life insurance, cashing in his bling and his NFL pension as fast as I could do it.

219 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:08:59pm

re: #206 ArmyWife

I like books, too! The feel of paper in my hand is something I feel I’d miss, but I am one of those blind faith followers of Charles the stalker blogs get all a twitter over, so I must have one, you see.

/JK, but thus far I’ve not been steered wrongly by a CJ tech suggestion insofar as I understand them.

I haven’t looked at them very closely but the eye sight issue is real for me. I spend way too much time on the comp as it is. However, they are searchable, right? That is a big lure…

220 DaveinMD  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:09:43pm

I still can’t convince myself to spend the money for a Kindle when I have a desktop, a laptop I seldom use, a “smart” phone, and my wife has a desktop and laptop as well. If I want to read an ebook, I’m sure I can find a way. In fact, I have one on my desktop right now, and an audio book in the truck, although my commute just got short enough that it will take me a LONG time to finish it.

221 timinnc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:09:53pm

I remember when us folks in NC could earn a bit of extra money as an Amazon Associate as well. :-(

“We are writing from the Amazon Associates Program to notify you that your Associates account has been closed as of June 26, 2009. This is a direct result of the unconstitutional tax collection scheme expected to be passed any day now by the North Carolina state legislature (the General Assembly) and signed by the governor. As a result, we will no longer pay any referral fees for customers referred to Amazon.com or Endless.com after June 26. We were forced to take this unfortunate action in anticipation of actual enactment because of uncertainties surrounding the legislation’s effective date.”

222 Kragar  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:09:59pm

Throw much more spin on this and you’ll throw us out of orbit

G8 leaders claim historic break through on new deal to tackle global warming

CLAIM being the major modifer in that statement. The problem being that the developing nations want nothing to do with it which makes the deal meaningless and I have no problem with their stance.

223 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:10:28pm

re: #216 Honorary Yooper

I’m
sorry, I shouldn’t laugh, but I keep my A/C at 78-79 during the summer.
It’s like watching a Southerner talk about how cold 40 degrees is.

Yeah, I kinda chuckle when I see Florida people with parkas on when it is 60 degrees. I’m in shorts and a tank top at 60.

224 albusteve  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:10:33pm

re: #218 3 wood

Awful pain, I’m sure.

If I was her I’d be cashing in any life insurance, cashing in his bling and his NFL pension as fast as I could do it.

with any sense at all , should easily be a millionaire…he made alot of money in his career…jus sayin

225 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:10:36pm

re: #216 Honorary Yooper

I’m sorry, I shouldn’t laugh, but I keep my A/C at 78-79 during the summer. It’s like watching a Southerner talk about how cold 40 degrees is.

Drive 80, freeze a Yankee

/

226 opnion  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:11:07pm

re: #217 LGoPs

Welcome to the world of the tolerant left……..
*Spit*

They even go after Down baby, Trig. Tolerance on the Left seems to be reserved for the “correct” people

227 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:11:38pm

re: #223 Alaska Kim
Photos please………………?
Trust but verify!
Kidding !
I’ll sit down now…….

228 3 wood  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:13:02pm

Sports Nerd Corner:

Former Met and Philly broke:

Dykstra files for Chapter 11


Lenny Dykstra, the former star center fielder for the New York Mets and Philadelphia Phillies, has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

The 46-year-old has no more than $50,000 of assets and between $10 million and $50 million of liabilities, according to a petition filed Tuesday with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Central District of California.

Dykstra’s filing comes in the wake of more than 20 lawsuits he faces tied to his activities as a financial entrepreneur, including The Players Club, a glossy magazine for athletes he had helped launch in 2008.

According to an April article on ESPN.com, Dykstra put his net worth at $60 million, and also owned a black Rolls Royce Phantom and Gulfstream II jet.

Known as “Nails” and “The Dude,” Dykstra played for 12 years with the Mets and the Phillies before retiring in 1996 with a lifetime .285 batting average, 81 home runs, 404 runs batted in, and 285 stolen bases.

He helped the Mets win the World Series in 1986, and as a Phillie was the National League runner-up to Barry Bonds in MVP voting in 1993. The Phillies lost the World Series that year.

Walter Hackett, a lawyer for Dykstra, said the event triggering the bankruptcy filing was a planned foreclosure sale of a southern California residence that Dykstra bought from hockey legend Wayne Gretzky for $17.5 million in 2007.


Maybe he can get a bail out from the White House.

229 ArmyWife  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:13:05pm

re: #218 3 wood

I hope the life insurance pays out, some have clauses that would prevent payout for murder (or acts of war).

230 albusteve  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:13:30pm

14 yrs for for a few pot plants….
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

231 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:13:38pm

re: #197 Alaska Kim

a sizzling 82 here in Juneau, AK and I think I’m going to die.

Heck, it was hotter than that here in Central Texas before the sun came up this morning!

232 LGoPs  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:13:48pm

re: #226 opnion

They even go after Down baby, Trig. Tolerance on the Left seems to be reserved for the “correct” people

That’s why I have such a visceral reaction to the left. The hypocrisy, double standards, ugliness and intolerance are breathtaking and the fact that they are so clueless about it makes talk almost impossible.

233 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:14:18pm

re: #229 ArmyWife

Really?
I know they exclude for suicide……….

234 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:14:37pm

re: #230 albusteve

14 yrs for for a few pot plants….
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

that’s ridiculous.

235 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:14:41pm

re: #212 Honorary Yooper

Yep, and overworked and underpaid. There’ll be less tax money for them, and they’ll have longer hours and more calls.

Perhaps we can persuade a significant number of them to retire early, at $100K+ a year.
///

236 albusteve  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:14:46pm

re: #228 3 wood

well there goes my millionaire theory

237 Kragar  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:15:01pm

re: #229 ArmyWife

I hope the life insurance pays out, some have clauses that would prevent payout for murder (or acts of war).

I think murder clauses are usually only invoked if the suspect is the beneficiary or there is some sort of direct connection like that.

238 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:15:18pm

re: #231 aggieann

Heck, it was hotter than that here in Central Texas before the sun came up this morning!

I know. I was born in San Antonio. And that’s why I don’t live there anymore!

239 ArmyWife  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:15:42pm

re: #219 WinterCat

However, they are searchable, right? That is a big lure…

I don’t know. I am the token techno idiot at this site, in case you weren’t aware.

240 albusteve  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:15:48pm

re: #234 Alaska Kim

that’s ridiculous.

it’s just friggin pot….not like moonshine!

241 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:15:49pm

re: #23 zombie

Working feverishly on my John Holdren report right now. Hoping to make some waves!

This is the guy who wanted global population control, similar to China’s “one child policy” am I right?

242 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:15:53pm

re: #230 albusteve

14 yrs for for a few pot plants….
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Unreal.

243 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:16:33pm

re: #240 albusteve

it’s just friggin pot….not like moonshine!

people up here get less time than that for oxy.

244 ArmyWife  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:16:46pm

re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well here’s to hoping she gets what is coming to her. And the same for him.

245 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:17:06pm

re: #240 albusteve
Moonshine?
You mean I could go to ja…………………..
Never mind………….

246 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:17:08pm

re: #239 ArmyWife

I don’t know. I am the token techno idiot at this site, in case you weren’t aware.

Well, I am too lazy to look it up but I highly doubt that they would be as popular as they are if they weren’t.

247 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:17:11pm

re: #219 WinterCat

I haven’t looked at them very closely but the eye sight issue is real for me. I spend way too much time on the comp as it is. However, they are searchable, right? That is a big lure…

Wintercat, they are searchable, you can write notes in the margins, and there is an automatic dictionary. Plus, there’s a text-to-speech feature that sounds like a real person (not a computer), at least the couple of times I tried it. For those with vision problems, the type can be enlarged to near headline-size.

248 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:17:50pm

re: #247 aggieann

Wintercat, they are searchable, you can write notes in the margins, and there is an automatic dictionary. Plus, there’s a text-to-speech feature that sounds like a real person (not a computer), at least the couple of times I tried it. For those with vision problems, the type can be enlarged to near headline-size.

Ok, stop trying to tempt me… :)

249 DEZes  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:18:28pm

re: #245 reloadingisnotahobby

Moonshine?
You mean I could go to ja…………………..
Never mind………….

So I take it you like reloading and getting loaded. ;)

250 opnion  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:19:28pm

re: #232 LGoPs

That’s why I have such a visceral reaction to the left. The hypocrisy, double standards, ugliness and intolerance are breathtaking and the fact that they are so clueless about it makes talk almost impossible.

What I think can certainly be disagreed with, but I see most of the hate on the Left & not just the fringe.
The Palin family has provided great fun for them, portraying her as a white trash whore, her husband as nothing but an Eskimo, her daughter as a slut & the kicker she has a “crazy” baby.
The MSM went nuts if anybody mentioned Obama’s middle name or implied that Michelle was less than cultured.

251 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:20:03pm

re: #249 DEZes

I have no idea what your talking about…………..;-)

252 DEZes  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:20:49pm

re: #251 reloadingisnotahobby

I have no idea what your talking about…………..;-)

;) gotcha.

253 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:21:25pm

I need an ice bath.

254 Kragar  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:21:46pm

Democrat Leader finds idea of reading a bill before a vote laughable

“If every member pledged to not vote for it if they hadn’t read it in its entirety, I think we would have very few votes,” Hoyer told CNSNews.com at his regular weekly news conference.

Hoyer was responding to a question from CNSNews.com on whether he supported a pledge that asks members of the Congress to read the entire bill before voting on it and also make the full text of the bill available to the public for 72 hours before a vote.

In fact, Hoyer found the idea of the pledge humorous, laughing as he responded to the question. “I’m laughing because a) I don’t know how long this bill is going to be, but it’s going to be a very long bill,” he said.

Grab people at random off the street and you would get a better set of representatives than these corrupt arrogant bastards.

255 DEZes  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:23:44pm

re: #253 Alaska Kim

I need an ice bath.

Youtube Video
256 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:24:01pm

re: #253 Alaska Kim

Juneau your near the OCEAN or a RIVER right?
pun intended…………..

257 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:24:46pm

re: #251 reloadingisnotahobby

wanna talk about this?
Action: CA Moves to Restrict Ammunition Sales
AB962, sponsored by Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a “handgun ammunition vendor”

258 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:25:03pm

re: #256 reloadingisnotahobby

Juneau your near the OCEAN or a RIVER right?
pun intended…………..

right on the ocean, and a glacier 3 miles from my house. We swim in the lake made by glacier water.

259 avanti  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:25:08pm

If a airline breaks your guitar, here’s how you get a phone call to pay for it. (he did)

Guitar.

260 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:25:41pm

re: #163 medaura18586

HOORAY! Now you can get some more books, free, sort of.

261 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:25:46pm

re: #257 IslandLibertarian

wanna talk about this?
Action: CA Moves to Restrict Ammunition Sales
AB962, sponsored by Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a “handgun ammunition vendor”

They are trying to come in through the back door.

262 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:25:48pm

re: #256 reloadingisnotahobby

Ah shit…..
If this morphs into a pun thread I humbly apologize

263 ArmyWife  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:26:23pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

awww Maryland politicians. Still on a quest to out do Chicago politicians.

264 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:27:13pm

My price point on something like this is around a hundred bucks, tops. For the big one coming out in a few weeks.

I understand that Amazon has to rely on early adopters to recoup initial costs on this thing, but ultimately the device itself ought to be somewhere between free and cheap, with Amazon making it’s money off the nearly costless distribution of book content. Similar to cell phones, the device itself is a loss-leader for the wireless companies; they make all their money off the services the phone allows you access to.

I expect the Kindle to follow the same path, it if generates enough interest among early adopters willing to pay full price for it. I suspect that if it’s doing well in a year or two, the price for the device will drop sharply.

265 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:27:25pm

re: #257 IslandLibertarian
That’s why I’d like to change my nic!
I’ve stopped reloading for “friends” OFFICALLY!
I and my bro inlaw and that’s it!

266 aggieann  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:27:27pm

re: #256 reloadingisnotahobby

Juneau your near the OCEAN or a RIVER right?
pun intended…………..

I dunno, Alaska.

267 albusteve  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:28:46pm

re: #259 avanti

If a airline breaks your guitar, here’s how you get a phone call to pay for it. (he did)

Guitar.

there oughta be a law…

Youtube Video
268 LGoPs  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:28:54pm

re: #250 opnion

What I think can certainly be disagreed with, but I see most of the hate on the Left & not just the fringe.
The Palin family has provided great fun for them, portraying her as a white trash whore, her husband as nothing but an Eskimo, her daughter as a slut & the kicker she has a “crazy” baby.
The MSM went nuts if anybody mentioned Obama’s middle name or implied that Michelle was less than cultured.

What the left doesn’t seem to understand is that with their ugly intolerant vitriol they shut down civil discourse. But the other side doesn’t just quietly go away. It is angry and it simmers. And it will not go quietly into the night.
The left shuts down discussion at their peril.

269 kansas  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:29:04pm

G8 leaders claim historic break through on new deal to tackle global warming

CLAIM being the major modifer in that statement. The problem being that the developing nations want nothing to do with it which makes the deal meaningless and I have no problem with their stance.

Obama and the Democrats will be on board with promises to ruin this economy.

270 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:31:14pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Democrat Leader finds idea of reading a bill before a vote laughable

Grab people at random off the street and you would get a better set of representatives than these corrupt arrogant bastards.

The RNC ought to be runnings ads of Laughing Hoyer in all media, with a subtitle/voiceover asking “Do you think it’s funny that a Congressional representative doesn’t read the bills they vote on?” It’s not to early to start laying a foundation for 2010’s contests, and Democratic arrogance and ignorance are as good a foundation as any. What’s needed is an environment pre-poisoned for anything the Democrats might say or do. “The Party that laughs at their constituents” works well in that regard.

271 bbuddha  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:31:26pm

re: #197 Alaska Kim

now I’m depressed. Ak is hotter than Maine. It’s a bracing 58 with yet more rain. Does anyone know a good sun dance?

272 albusteve  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:33:15pm

re: #270 SixDegrees

The RNC ought to be runnings ads of Laughing Hoyer in all media, with a subtitle/voiceover asking “Do you think it’s funny that a Congressional representative doesn’t read the bills they vote on?” It’s not to early to start laying a foundation for 2010’s contests, and Democratic arrogance and ignorance are as good a foundation as any. What’s needed is an environment pre-poisoned for anything the Democrats might say or do. “The Party that laughs at their constituents” works well in that regard.

I hate the feds

273 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:34:58pm

re: #259 avanti

If a airline breaks your guitar, here’s how you get a phone call to pay for it. (he did)

Guitar.

Air France broke my guitar (acoustic Gibson J45) in 1970. I had to get the entire fretboard replaced. Never sounded the same.

274 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:36:48pm

re: #272 albusteve

I hate the feds

Term limits are sorely needed. But that’s never going to happen. It’ll have to take place through voter-imposed term limits. There needs to be something placed in people’s minds that it is repellent for any politician to serve more than two terms in office, not matter what they say or do.

275 kansas  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:38:49pm

re: #270 SixDegrees

The RNC ought to be runnings ads of Laughing Hoyer in all media, with a subtitle/voiceover asking “Do you think it’s funny that a Congressional representative doesn’t read the bills they vote on?” It’s not to early to start laying a foundation for 2010’s contests, and Democratic arrogance and ignorance are as good a foundation as any. What’s needed is an environment pre-poisoned for anything the Democrats might say or do. “The Party that laughs at their constituents” works well in that regard.

The RNC hasn’t got an effin clue.

276 avanti  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:38:52pm

re: #270 SixDegrees

The RNC ought to be runnings ads of Laughing Hoyer in all media, with a subtitle/voiceover asking “Do you think it’s funny that a Congressional representative doesn’t read the bills they vote on?” It’s not to early to start laying a foundation for 2010’s contests, and Democratic arrogance and ignorance are as good a foundation as any. What’s needed is an environment pre-poisoned for anything the Democrats might say or do. “The Party that laughs at their constituents” works well in that regard.

Sadly, neither side reads most bills, some over 1000 pages long. They claim that’s what the staffs do, giving them the highlights out of the 90 % of fine print. Before the GOP makes it a issue, they need to show they read all the bills before a vote. It may not be standard procedure to read all the bills, but it’s not a subject of humor either.

277 opnion  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:38:58pm

re: #268 LGoPs

What the left doesn’t seem to understand is that with their ugly intolerant vitriol they shut down civil discourse. But the other side doesn’t just quietly go away. It is angry and it simmers. And it will not go quietly into the night.
The left shuts down discussion at their peril.

Then let’s vote in huge numbers in 2010.

278 LGoPs  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:39:56pm

re: #277 opnion

Then let’s vote in huge numbers in 2010.

Early and often…..
/ :)

279 opnion  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:40:23pm

re: #278 LGoPs

Early and often…..
/ :)

Da Chicaga way!

280 LGoPs  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:41:40pm

re: #279 opnion

Da Chicaga way!

It’s where I grew up. The bastards taught me.
:)

281 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:43:04pm

re: #275 kansas

The RNC hasn’t got an effin clue.

Not so much, no.

282 LGoPs  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:47:27pm

re: #280 LGoPs

It’s where I grew up. The bastards taught me.
:)

I should qualify that. Even though I grew up in Chicago, I abhor the cheating democrat way. Vote fraud should be punished severely because a vote stealer steals from every one of us. 10 years rotting in prison at a minimum. Make people think twice before they try it.
I don’t vote absentee for one thing. If the bastards are going to steal my vote, I want to make it hard on them and have them do it in my goddamn face.
Absentee voting is a way to abuse the vote. Just look at the Franken abortion up in Minnesota. It shouldn’t be too difficult to get off your ass and physically go and vote in person. If the fuckers are gonna steal the vote make them work for it.

283 chukardog  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 4:00:42pm

The Kindle is a solution looking for a problem to solve. I dont see the benefit. Books are more portable, durable, affordable and easy to read. I don’t get it at all , I love technology and I love Amazon but this thing is a big cypher. They should call it the OBarry. It reminds me of all the hype before the Segway came out, whispers of some magical anti-gravity device. When it was unveiled it was like, um yeah… and thats it?

284 kynna  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 5:41:53pm

re: #270 SixDegrees

The RNC ought to be runnings ads of Laughing Hoyer in all media, with a subtitle/voiceover asking “Do you think it’s funny that a Congressional representative doesn’t read the bills they vote on?” It’s not to early to start laying a foundation for 2010’s contests, and Democratic arrogance and ignorance are as good a foundation as any. What’s needed is an environment pre-poisoned for anything the Democrats might say or do. “The Party that laughs at their constituents” works well in that regard.

I couldn’t agree with you more. But it doesn’t have to be the dim-bulb RNC that does it. Any concerned voter with the know-how can do it, too. And that puts the GOP on notice as well — and they need to be.

285 kynna  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 5:47:14pm

re: #283 chukardog

The Kindle is a solution looking for a problem to solve. I dont see the benefit. Books are more portable, durable, affordable and easy to read. I don’t get it at all , I love technology and I love Amazon but this thing is a big cypher. They should call it the OBarry. It reminds me of all the hype before the Segway came out, whispers of some magical anti-gravity device. When it was unveiled it was like, um yeah… and thats it?

Actually, when I try carrying around 60 actual dead-tree books it doesn’t feel all that portable. ;D

E-readers are definitely different from the Segway. There are some bugs still to be worked out — like do you actually own the book after purchasing it? But e-readers are the wave of the future, IMO. I like my Kindle2 quite a bit.

It’s easy to criticize if you haven’t tried it. I thought I’d never get used to not having the feel of an actual book in my hands, but it was a snap. And changing the font size — a blessing for anyone who gets dry, tired eyes.

286 Empire1  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 6:02:14pm

re: #283 chukardog

The Kindle is a solution looking for a problem to solve. I dont see the benefit. Books are more portable, durable, affordable and easy to read. I don’t get it at all , I love technology and I love Amazon but this thing is a big cypher. They should call it the OBarry. It reminds me of all the hype before the Segway came out, whispers of some magical anti-gravity device. When it was unveiled it was like, um yeah… and thats it?

I’m not sure of the first part — it does have advantages for those who carry a lot of books around — but I agree with the rest. I’m a gadget-lover, so I drool over them … but I simply can’t justify the price of a reader and e-books that I probably won’t be able to use in a few years, as opposed to regular books that will remain usable for my entire lifetime.

I went through multi-obsoletion (new word, I think) with home video, from 8mm film through Betamax and VHS to DVD, and audio is worse. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m not going to pay more than a pittance for any media player/format combo that’s not likely to last for at least 25-50 years, so I’m pretty sure I’ll be sticking to hard-copy books that’ll be usable at least until I’m no longer room temperature.

287 Hanoch  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 6:25:16pm

At $300, I still fail to see how these things make sense for anyone other than those who travel constantly and read voraciously while doing so.

288 medaura18586  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 7:07:55pm

re: #178 reloadingisnotahobby

Ha!
With that kinda luck you could………..
Ya like Blackjack?

Well, believe it or not:

As soon as I answered your question I had to leave from work and head to an engagement (Manhattan Institute event) and as I was walking there, in the middle of Madison Ave I found a $10 and a $1 in plain sight!

That’s the most money I’ve found in the streets in years, perhaps ever!

So that’s $71 in savings today from sheer luck… Now I feel confident enough to move on to Blackjack ;)

289 hmcl  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:22:21pm

Charles, any thoughts on why Amazon seems unable or unwilling to accept overseas (i.e. European or Asian) customers for it’s ebooks? Do you know when this will change, if ever?
Thank you,
hmcl

290 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:43:53am

re: #283 chukardog

The Kindle is a solution looking for a problem to solve. I dont see the benefit. Books are more portable, durable, affordable and easy to read.

1) “More portable.” Nope. The Kindle absolutely crushes traditional books when it comes to portability. You can have an entire library on your Kindle - thousands of books. Try carrying thousands of books around with you.

2) “More durable.” Possibly, but also much more limited.

3) “More affordable.” Actually, the Kindle versions of books are significantly less expensive. The savings from the books I’ve purchased have nearly paid for the Kindle reader already.

4) “Easy to read.” The Kindle’s e-ink display is very similar to a printed book, and you can change the type size to improve readability — which, last time I checked, traditional books couldn’t do.

291 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:45:28am

re: #289 hmcl

Charles, any thoughts on why Amazon seems unable or unwilling to accept overseas (i.e. European or Asian) customers for it’s ebooks? Do you know when this will change, if ever?
Thank you,
hmcl

I think it has to do with their wireless providers. I’m sure they’re working on it, but you know as much as I do at this point…

292 American Sabra  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:24:19am

re: #15 lawhawk

I’d be more concerned about dropping a Kindle than dropping a book. If you drop a kindle, you’ve got a splintered kindle. Just how rugged are they? A book you can simply pick back up and resume reading. Broken kindle? You’re out the $$$.

Sorry to post so late, but it’s worth it to purchase the cover. I don’t recall if it’s leather or faux leather, but it’s about $25-30 (or was when we bought the first Kindle) and it does help protect it, even from tumbles. If you’re going to spend the money for the Kindle, you might as well kick in the extra. I think it should be free, but that’s me!

My husband is an avid reader and has never been without a book in hand since he was a kid. The Kindle was the best gift he ever got. Now my only problem is meeting that same criteria on his next bday!

293 deegee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 3:45:13pm

I want one, I want one, I want one. BUT Amazon only sells to Americans.


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