sea kitteh and chips vs fruit cup

Iran opposition says protesters 'tortured'

If the US isn't involved, no one cares.
I bet it wasn't panties on the head, either.

Dig that fresh open thread smell!

/Solid!

Mmh, what a breath of fresh air.

can i have both sea kitteh & chips & fruit cup

re: #4 callahan23

Mmh, what a breath of fresh air.

callahan23 ... have another hit ...

re: #2 solomonpanting

Iran opposition says protesters 'tortured'

If the US isn't involved, no one cares.
I bet it wasn't panties on the head, either.

at least not clean panties

re: #2 solomonpanting

Iran opposition says protesters 'tortured'

If the US isn't involved, no one cares.
I bet it wasn't panties on the head, either.

Or the comfy chair.

re: #6 JacksonTn

callahan23 ... have another hit ...
[Video]

Hypnotic.

re: #2 solomonpanting

Iran opposition says protesters 'tortured'

If the US isn't involved, no one cares.
I bet it wasn't panties on the head, either.

Lots of wood shampoos and assorted painful bits, I'll bet...

re: #7 Shug

at least not clean panties

From Firesign Theater's Eat Or Be Eaten:

American Diplomat: I'm here to take over the American Embassy.

Customs Officer: Oh, that's lots of fun! My club and I do it every week. But you lot's of men with underwear on their heads and guns!

... bowered sun-drenched pathways ...

OH NO YOU DON'T, CHARLES!

bower: n 1. a place enclosed by overhanging boughs of trees or by vines on a trellis; arbor

"sun-drenched" is FALSE ADVERTISING!

/or maybe that's the shadow of a pipe wrench I see

Fiddlesticks. Time for an open and I have to go to dinner. BBL.

re: #13 doppelganglander

Upding because people don't say "fiddlesticks" enough.

re: #2 solomonpanting

Iran opposition says protesters 'tortured'

If the US isn't involved, no one cares.
I bet it wasn't panties on the head, either.

And IIRC, once upon a time, these theocrats were the ones complaining about the Shah's secret service.

/Evin Prison -- merely operating under new ownership

The last time I went sauntering happily down bowered sun-drenched pathways, my paradigm shifted and I threw my back out. Could not walk for a week.

No thanks.

re: #15 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And IIRC, once upon a time, these theocrats were the ones complaining about the Shah's secret service.

/Evin Prison -- merely operating under new ownership

They complained only because they weren't wielding the power.

re: #2 solomonpanting

According to Slate magazine, Obama's embrace of the mullah's is all Bush's fault... [Link: www.slate.com...]

Aaah, burgers for dinner!

re: #18 MrPaulRevere

According to Slate magazine, Obama's embrace of the mullah's is all Bush's fault... [Link: www.slate.com...]

I suppose they'll also blame the setting of the sun on Bush too.

re: #15 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I think the ones complaining the hardest were student and academia liberals and Communists, who promptly found themselves in the Ayatollah's prisons before they had an opportunity to actually complain about his 'secret service' like they had his predecessors.

re: #18 MrPaulRevere

I concur with this:

Blathering, peripheral Joe Biden is the excessive response to the silent, all-powerful Dick Cheney.

re: #19 Alouette

Aaah, burgers for dinner!

Ham
Cheese or
Image: SandyBerger.jpg
andy?

re: #24 sattv4u2

Ham
Cheese or
[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]
andy?

(((that should have read))

Or Sandy

PIMF

Sure... someone does an Obama as the Joker poster and it gets noticed.

I cook up an Obama as an elevated deity poster and no one gets it.

But then I suppose it would help if I actually print up a few copies and put them up.

re: #18 MrPaulRevere

According to Slate magazine, Obama's embrace of the mullah's is all Bush's fault... [Link: www.slate.com...]

i am glad to see they are still 'with the program'

re: #22 buzzsawmonkey

If you were a leftist into all that "Eat the Rich" rhetoric, it would be burghers for dinner.

And in true proletarian spirit, they'd be going Dutch.

This could get interesting: JERUSALEM, Aug. 2 -- Israeli police Sunday recommended that the state indict Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on charges of bribery, fraud, money laundering, witness harassment and obstruction of justice. [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

re: #18 MrPaulRevere

According to Slate magazine, Obama's embrace of the mullah's is all Bush's fault... [Link: www.slate.com...]

That, sir, was a truly impressive demonstration of moonbat idiocy. I tip my cap to you.

re: #15 pre-Boomer Marine brat

after the rev. against the shah the islamists liquidated the leftists who were there allies during the revolution killing tens of thousands.

re: #29 MrPaulRevere

This could get interesting: JERUSALEM, Aug. 2 -- Israeli police Sunday recommended that the state indict Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on charges of bribery, fraud, money laundering, witness harassment and obstruction of justice. [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

My my my, does Israel have sister city arrangements with Chicago and Newark?

re: #22 buzzsawmonkey

So this one time, when I was just a squatch, Dad brought home some venison that one of his friends gave him. Being just a squatch I had no idea what it was. Mom cooked it up, it smelled delicious. I ask him again while we're eating it, and he tells me it's what Mommy calls him, to which I scream Spit it out, Mom, it's an asshole !

Obama's buddy Hugo Chavez orders the closing of 34 radio stations, in order to progress toward a government monopoly on radio broadcasting.

re: #26 The Other Les

Sure... someone does an Obama as the Joker poster and it gets noticed.

"Makes you wonder who's behind this."

Uh, hello, BushMan!

re: #31 yochanan

after the rev. against the shah the islamists liquidated the leftists who were there allies during the revolution killing tens of thousands.

And now the Islamist Revolution is eating its own.

re: #29 MrPaulRevere

This could get interesting: JERUSALEM, Aug. 2 -- Israeli police Sunday recommended that the state indict Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on charges of bribery, fraud, money laundering, witness harassment and obstruction of justice. [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I'd say that Mr. Lieberman might be well and truly f**ked...

re: #26 The Other Les

Sure... someone does an Obama as the Joker poster and it gets noticed.

I cook up an Obama as an elevated deity poster and no one gets it.

But then I suppose it would help if I actually print up a few copies and put them up.

That's because Obama as the Joker (or any criticism of Him) is RACIST!!!

re: #37 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And now the Islamist Revolution is eating its own.

Preview was my friend --notice the IslamIST

re: #35 Last Mohican

That BNP knuckle dragger featured below has a blog post supporting Chavez's move...

re: #39 Mad Al-Jaffee

That's because Obama as the Joker (or any criticism of Him) is RACIST!!!

MaJ ... and you are racists for pointing that out ...

/

re: #39 Mad Al-Jaffee

Remember the sarcasm slash!

re: #38 talon_262

If Lieberman is indicted he MUST resign. Interesting indeed.

re: #43 The Other Les

Remember the sarcasm slash!

Who says I was being sarcastic?

/

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

IslaMist™--the aroma of submission!

Taqiyya bottle home today and sharia little with your friends!

You are certainly a prodigious fount of poetry and jocularity, Buzz...

re: #35 Last Mohican

Obama's buddy Hugo Chavez orders the closing of 34 radio stations, in order to progress toward a government monopoly on radio broadcasting.

We haven't closed any radio stations, we've applied the law," Chavez said on state television. "We've recovered a bunch of stations that were outside the law, that now belong to the people and not the bourgeoisie."

Yay, all the people can speak now, they own the stations.
*Spit

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

IslaMist™--the aroma of submission!

Taqiyya bottle home today and sharia little with your friends!

ROFLMAO!
*bowing before the Master* ... :D

re: #49 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ROFLMAO!
*bowing before the Master* ... :D

That deserves more updings.

re: #50 DEZes

That deserves more updings.

Indeed.
Buzz is quite the Qutb this evening!

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

I am on a one-man campaign to reintroduce the wisecrack into American discourse.

Much, much better than plumber's crack.

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

IslaMist™--the aroma of submission!

Taqiyya bottle home today and sharia little with your friends!

LOL LOL LOL

re: #48 SasquatchOnSteroids

You gotta love Chavez' use of the term "recover." Maybe Obama will adopt it too. As in "we're gonna recover the Chrysler creditors' money. We're gonna recover folks' pension plans."

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

I am on a one-man campaign to reintroduce the wisecrack into American discourse.

Hell ,, I've been at it since the early 70's. If I knew there was money in it I would have trademarked it prior to the InterToobies!

re: #14 Mad Al-Jaffee

Upding because people don't say "fiddlesticks" enough.

I'm gonna try to work it into my active vocabulary. Does it refer to a bow to play the fiddle or just a run-of-the-mill, oh, nevermind.

re: #55 Last Mohican

You gotta love Chavez' use of the term "recover." Maybe Obama will adopt it too. As in "we're gonna recover the Chrysler creditors' money. We're gonna recover folks' pension plans."

We're going to recover this economy.
From the people who make it tick.

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

I am on a one-man campaign to reintroduce the wisecrack into American discourse.

The Taliban would give you the lashkars you deserve it.

re: #16 Racer X

The last time I went sauntering happily down bowered sun-drenched pathways, my paradigm shifted and I threw my back out. Could not walk for a week.

No thanks.

Was it sunny or shady?

re: #58 SasquatchOnSteroids

We're going to recover this economy.
From the people who make it tick ME SICK.

ftfy

re: #58 SasquatchOnSteroids

We're going to recover this economy.
From the people who make it tick.

I believe we have stumbled on the reason why congress called it the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act ."

re: #29 MrPaulRevere

This could get interesting: JERUSALEM, Aug. 2 -- Israeli police Sunday recommended that the state indict Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on charges of bribery, fraud, money laundering, witness harassment and obstruction of justice. [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Maybe he'll get to be Prime Minister, like Olmert and Sharon.

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

I am on a one-man campaign to reintroduce the wisecrack into American discourse.

"We're not worthy! We're not worthy!"

/Wayne and Garth mode off ;-P

re: #60 buzzsawmonkey

If there's money in it, I have yet to see it.

But the America of "sez you" is a much more fun place to be than the America of dour PC.

I can only pay in dings, one at a time.

Too cool! Was just asked by my Minister of Music and Pastor to sing a very special song in the fall, kicking off the new year...

This song...

YAY! GONNA BE FUN!

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

I am on a one-man campaign to reintroduce the wisecrack into American discourse.

We need a wisecrack on the Supreme Court to represent the Asshole-Americans

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Too cool! Was just asked by my Minister of Music and Pastor to sing a very special song in the fall, kicking off the new year...

This song...

YAY! GONNA BE FUN!

Thats the good news ,,, The BAD news is you have to wear this

Image: 32.jpg

Buzz at the Supreme Court.

Lawyer : Your Honor.

Buzz : I am ?

re: #68 Alouette

We need a wisecrack on the Supreme Court to represent the Asshole-Americans

I thought Dear Leader represented Asshole-Americans...

///

re: #64 Alouette

I can't say I follow domestic Israeli politics much, but what is going on over there? Is the corruption systemic, the laws too restrictive, or a combination of both?

re: #59 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Taliban would give you the lashkars you deserve it.

Sorry, everyone -- I know we don't Wana go there.

...

...

/about to find out who's knowledgeable about Pakistan

I'm surprised this story didn't generate more heat today...
Glenn Beck Fan, Highly Armed, Busted For Casing National Guard Base, Thinking It Was A "FEMA Camp"

Aaron Neville ... Tell It Like It Is ...

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Daily Kooks? Seriously? and Armed to the teeth? Hardly. Just another member of the crazy wing.

re: #73 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sorry, everyone -- I know we don't Wana go there.

...

...

/about to find out who's knowledgeable about Pakistan

I used High Karachi in high school for my cologne. Needless to say, I didn't get many dates.

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Interesting ... though now I'm gonna have trouble eating supper

/ ... :D ... thanks LOADS, Killgore!

re: #78 SasquatchOnSteroids

I used High Karachi in high school for my cologne. Needless to say, I didn't get many dates.

SoS ... they had the best commercials ...

re: #77 ArmyWife

That crazy lady had quite a little arsenal with her.

re: #76 buzzsawmonkey

heh ... very obscure, so I won't Swat you for it.
The city of Wana is Meshud's turf, South Waziristan

re: #78 SasquatchOnSteroids

I used High Karachi in high school for my cologne. Needless to say, I didn't get many dates.

So you changed to High-Kashmir in order to get a date with a lovely Sasquatchess?
High mountain smells go well to entice the female Sasquaches it is reported.
;-)

re: #69 sattv4u2

Thats the good news ,,, The BAD news is you have to wear this

[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]

I have to wear a Google Not Found T-shirt?

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have to wear a Google Not Found T-shirt?

Same here.

re: #83 callahan23

So you changed to High-Kashmir in order to get a date with a lovely Sasquatchess?
High mountain smells go well to entice the female Sasquaches it is reported.
;-)

I married a French chick. Le Hore.

re: #78 SasquatchOnSteroids

I used High Karachi in high school for my cologne. Needless to say, I didn't get many dates.

Goat ahead, ... admit who was you Sind with.

Kash fer klunkers update...
Ford to post 1st monthly sales increase in 2 years

It appears to be working and it's very popular so Republicans predictably leap into action to prevent a possible success...
‘Cash for Clunkers’ Becomes a Republican Target

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Check out her MySpace page, its a complete mess, with diagrams of 'FEMA coffins'.

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have to wear a Google Not Found T-shirt?

Actually... I'd like to have one.

re: #81 Killgore Trout

She was crazy all right. And had weapons. But when I think armed to the teeth, I think loads and loads of guns - not 2. That said, one gun with that type is too many. I'm concerned when we start labeling this as "armed to the teeth" it is creating a mindset to make it ok to remove these types of weapons from conservatives who answer they may have, on occasion, listened to Glen Beck. Perhaps a bit paranoid, perhaps a bit smart. Who knows.

re: #90 MrPaulRevere

No thanks.

re: #83 callahan23

So you changed to High-Kashmir in order to get a date with a lovely Sasquatchess?
High mountain smells go well to entice the female Sasquaches it is reported.
;-)

callhan .. jmo ... but I like men who just smell like themselves ... I don't like cologne on men ...

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Some people have knowledge of that region up the Wazir. I am not one of them.

For me, it's a long story ... heh.

happy Sunday lizards :)

re: #88 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Goat ahead, ... admit who was you Sind with.

Is Llama bad ?
I'm not sayin' anything happened, but Tequila on an empty stomach will make a creature wake up with strange bedfellows.

re: #89 Killgore Trout

KT - the government is creating the demand. They are also building the supply. I have an issue with that.

I'm back for a bit. I'm surprised and gratified to learn that "fiddlesticks" is gaining traction. I should see if the URL is available.

re: #94 JacksonTn

I don't like cologne on men ...

Ja, ja but do you like men in Cologne?

re: #90 MrPaulRevere

I even sat through the Glenn Beck videos she posted and read her ramblings. The lady is just insane and potentially pretty dangerous. Luckily these loons aren't coordinating with each other to launch attacks. It would only take 3-4 loons to start working together and something really bad could happen.

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Gee ,, lets see

GIVE AWAY MONEY

(in my day, we used to call it BUYING VOTES)

re: #98 ArmyWife

Yep, and the money is also borrowed - I have a real problem with that too.

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Shes also a big Alex Jones fan. The Beck/Jones convergence, if you will.

re: #103 Dominic Yeso

Yep, and the money is also borrowed BEING PRINTED OUT OF THIN AIR - I have a real problem with that too.

re: #90 MrPaulRevere

Check out her MySpace page, its a complete mess, with diagrams of 'FEMA coffins'.

OMG, she sounds completely out of it.

re: #105 sattv4u2

that too.

How can you not laugh at posts 2 and 3 taken together. Ha.

re: #90 MrPaulRevere

Check out her MySpace page, its a complete mess, with diagrams of 'FEMA coffins'.

Sure enough. Also, I notice that she is a single mother of three, and that her sign is Aquarius.

You know what we should do? We should introduce her to that guy, you know, the one that Charles banned who was gonna murder his daughter's boyfriend? Isn't he a single dad? They could get together and make their own little Brady Bunker.

re: #94 JacksonTn

callhan .. jmo ... but I like men who just smell like themselves ... I don't like cologne on men ...

Agreed. Cologne is often literally breath taking.
But deodorant is required. Unless one is to empty a location quickly.

re: #109 Last Mohican

OR we can hope she gets the help she needs. Pronto.

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Kash fer klunkers update...
Ford to post 1st monthly sales increase in 2 years

It appears to be working and it's very popular so Republicans predictably leap into action to prevent a possible success...
‘Cash for Clunkers’ Becomes a Republican Target

So I get taxed to buy you a car? Hmmm.

re: #104 MrPaulRevere

Shes also a big Alex Jones fan. The Beck/Jones convergence, if you will.

MPR ... I was going thru XM stations on a drive from the farms the other day and Alex Jones was on one of them ... I cannot remember which station it was ... I listened to him for a few minutes and it was the first time I ever heard him ... he is crazy ... I wonder what percentage of the population has even heard him speak ... he is so paranoid about everything ...

re: #109 Last Mohican

Maybe that wasn't something to post.
/I'm merely wondering, all things considered.

re: #112 brookly red

So I get taxed to buy you a car? Hmmm.

Yes, isn't it fabulous ?

re: #112 brookly red

So I get taxed to buy you a car? Hmmm.

I'm sure you'll get a nice thank you note.

re: #101 Killgore Trout

I even sat through the Glenn Beck videos she posted and read her ramblings. The lady is just insane and potentially pretty dangerous. Luckily these loons aren't coordinating with each other to launch attacks. It would only take 3-4 loons to start working together and something really bad could happen.

Even one loon, acting alone, can cause some serious tragedy. We have plenty of Sudden Jihad stories to prove that.

re: #110 callahan23

Agreed. Cologne is often literally breath taking.
But deodorant is required. Unless one is to empty a location quickly.

callahan23 ... yes but sometimes a sweaty guy is ... um .. sexy ...

re: #112 brookly red

it goes deeper then that - you are taxed to provide all sorts of favors and items to others .. cars are just the latest.

re: #112 brookly red

It depends, there are some tax waivers in the program but yes it helps with state revenue as well.

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Kash fer klunkers update...
Ford to post 1st monthly sales increase in 2 years

It appears to be working and it's very popular so Republicans predictably leap into action to prevent a possible success...
‘Cash for Clunkers’ Becomes a Republican Target

a dildo 'works' too...it's not the same thing tho...C/C is a contrived giveaway...you are subsidizing sellers who in turn subsidize the dealers...if it's stimulation, it's artificial ans severely limited

re: #121 albusteve

a dildo 'works' too...it's not the same thing tho...C/C is a contrived giveaway...you are subsidizing sellers who in turn subsidize the dealers...if it's stimulation, it's artificial ans severely limited

That's a really...colorful comparison.

re: #122 doppelganglander

That's a really...colorful comparison.

dop ... I think he is saying it is just another way of jerking yourself off ..

/sorry if that sounds bad ...

re: #118 JacksonTn

callahan23 ... yes but sometimes a sweaty guy is ... um .. sexy ...

This will now certainly turn into the armpit of all threads.

re: #113 JacksonTn

Listen to Alex Jones unplugged: [Link: hotair.com...]

re: #118 JacksonTn

callahan23 ... yes but sometimes a sweaty guy is ... um .. sexy ...

Fresh sweat is also nice on Lizardess'. Only the fresh one.

re: #120 Killgore Trout

It depends, there are some tax waivers in the program but yes it helps with state revenue as well.

But what if I don't want to work to support others?

re: #114 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You mean my post, or hers? If mine, I apologize. There's something I find at once terrifying and truly fascinating about the Internet Age: the fact that people have blogs, MySpace pages, etc. where they post deranged, violent rantings right next to the most banal trivial details... their astrological sign, a cute picture that their kid drew in art class, a funny joke they heard at work today.

re: #127 brookly red

Then you are a hater, somehow.

re: #126 callahan23

Fresh sweat is also nice on Lizardess'. Only the fresh one.

Sweaty guys do nothing for me either.
Hows My buddy doing today?

FORWARD LOOKING

Once all these 'clunkers" are swapped in and destroyed, what do people with little to no money buy when THEY need a car when THEIR clunker dies?

They can't afford the payments on a new one1
There won't be many (if any) $200-$500 shitboxes available

Will Congress come up with the same type of loan program for cars that demanded that low income, so so credit rating. spotty job history people get home loans?

re: #127 brookly red

But what if I don't want to work to support others?

well then your're an unpatriotic extremist

re: #125 MrPaulRevere

Listen to Alex Jones unplugged: [Link: hotair.com...]

Paranoid schizophrenia.

Not only that he's probably sending some borderline paranoid schizophrenics over the edge.

re: #123 JacksonTn

dop ... I think he is saying it is just another way of jerking yourself off ..

/sorry if that sounds bad ...

Oh, I got it, and I found it very funny. I probably should have included a LOL.

re: #127 brookly red

But what if I don't want to work to support others?

Hey, get with the program, Brookly!

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck really is a piece trash work. He works up all the loons for a month with stories of 'FEMA camps' and then gets on the air one day and says, 'Oh by they way, its not true'.

re: #127 brookly red

But what if I don't want to work to support others?

BR ... you are not one of those selfish "rich" Americans are you? ... cuz if you are ... you need a good talking to ...

/

re: #131 sattv4u2

FORWARD LOOKING

Once all these 'clunkers" are swapped in and destroyed, what do people with little to no money buy when THEY need a car when THEIR clunker dies?

They can't afford the payments on a new one1
There won't be many (if any) $200-$500 shitboxes available

Will Congress come up with the same type of loan program for cars that demanded that low income, so so credit rating. spotty job history people get home loans?

I'm waiting for the Repo sale in about 6 months before I go and pick up the wife a new ride. Should be able to get one hell of a deal.

re: #130 DEZes

Sweaty guys do nothing for me either.
Hows My buddy doing today?

Doin' really fine.
How's the weather on your home-planet?
;-)

re: #131 sattv4u2

FORWARD LOOKING

Once all these 'clunkers" are swapped in and destroyed, what do people with little to no money buy when THEY need a car when THEIR clunker dies?

They can't afford the payments on a new one1
There won't be many (if any) $200-$500 shitboxes available

Will Congress come up with the same type of loan program for cars that demanded that low income, so so credit rating. spotty job history people get home loans?

Sssshhh, you're going to give them ideas.

re: #127 brookly red

But what if I don't want to work to support others?

you will assimilate
you will assimilate
you will assimilate
you will assimilate
you will assimilate
you will assimilate

re: #127 brookly red

But what if I don't want to work to support others?

BR ... oh, and you will never get your "n" back now ...

re: #129 ArmyWife

Then you are a hater, somehow.

Yes, I guess I am...

re: #139 callahan23

Doin' really fine.
How's the weather on your home-planet?
;-)

Sunny for a change, But the moonbats will be out tonight.

re: #127 brookly red

Yes, perfect. If you are willing to forgo some things then join the other side and just be a taker. Go in and quit your job tomorrow and sign up for your entitlements.

re: #131 sattv4u2

FORWARD LOOKING

Once all these 'clunkers" are swapped in and destroyed, what do people with little to no money buy when THEY need a car when THEIR clunker dies?

They can't afford the payments on a new one1
There won't be many (if any) $200-$500 shitboxes available

Will Congress come up with the same type of loan program for cars that demanded that low income, so so credit rating. spotty job history people get home loans?

Poor people deserve new homes and it seems to me some nice new cars as well.

re: #127 brookly red

Then don't pay your taxes.

re: #143 brookly red

Yes, I guess I am...

HATE HATE HATE

/"The Player Haters Ball", Chappelle's Show ;-P

re: #137 JacksonTn

BR ... you are not one of those selfish "rich" Americans are you? ... cuz if you are ... you need a good talking to ...

/

Let's all just have a Beer and work this out.

re: #123 JacksonTn

I think he is saying it is just another way of jerking yourself off ..

There's another way?

re: #150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's another way?

DEtails!

re: #146 debutaunt

Poor people deserve new homes and it seems to me some nice new cars as well.

I'm starting a program for the people with no homes AND no cars

RV's for U.O's (Urban Outdoorsmen)

KILLS 2 BIRDS WITH ONE LOAN

re: #144 DEZes

Sunny for a change, But the moonbats will be out tonight.

Shoot, always on the hours I am long fast asleep.

re: #150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's another way?

FBV ... I am telling Mrs. FBV ... and don't you have some vacuuming to do? ...

re: #131 sattv4u2

Agreed. I think the program would have been a lot more effect if those cars were allowed to be resold.

re: #147 Killgore Trout

Then don't pay your taxes.

ironic isn't it?

Well I just screwed around with the dKos nirther poll numbers and a spreadsheet and came up with a distribution of responses if we assume that party affiliations conform to what the Washington Post posted here, and the US Census figures by region summarized here for the most recent common year between the two datasets (2006).

The response distribution to a hypothetical 1500 person sample is:

Was Obama born in the U S of A?

Yes No Unk
DN 146.31 6.29 4.72
DS 133.23 5.73 4.30
DM 126.06 5.42 4.07
DW 127.14 5.47 4.10

RN 38.75 25.83 27.68
RS 71.05 47.37 50.75
RM 58.47 38.98 41.76
RW 53.28 35.52 38.06

IN 87.38 8.42 9.47
IS 80.40 7.75 8.72
IM 76.02 7.33 8.24
IW 87.92 8.47 9.53

Where D is Democrat, R is Republican, I is Independent, N is Northeast, S is South, M is Midwest, and W is West.

This "datafit" takes into account party affiliations and population distributions. It assumes that the response rates among a particular party don't vary among regions.

Data crunchers should take a look and check my work. I haven't pored over the results yet - just posting them as I got them.

re: #125 MrPaulRevere

Listen to Alex Jones unplugged: [Link: hotair.com...]

Look out for the "pot bellied little dwarf new world order people!"

He actually said that. The man is pathetic regardless of if he's making this up but you know what's really scary? People out there take him seriously. Whew.

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Agreed. I think the program would have been a lot more effect if those cars were allowed to be resold.

Mother Gaia farts in your general dierction

re: #152 sattv4u2

Awesome - it sounds like you're in the government business. Keep up the good work.

re: #149 SasquatchOnSteroids

Let's all just have a Beer and work this out.

Did you suggest that when Mandy couldn't open the video too?

re: #133 Gus 802

Paranoid schizophrenia.

Not only that he's probably sending some borderline paranoid schizophrenics over the edge.

Yeah, that's another fascinating thing about the internet. As far as I can tell, the life of an unmedicated or undermedicated paranoid schizophrenic used to be a very solitary one, and they'd sometimes accumulate great stashes of books and newspaper clippings which they thought confirmed their suspicions of great evil conspiracies. Even though they had nobody to share them with.

Now that there are people like Alex Jones who aggregate paranoid delusions and post them on web sites, I suspect that schizophrenics don't need to spend nearly as much time tracking down "leads." And I wonder if their lives have somehow become more social, with the advent of online forums where there are lots of others who share their feelings.

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Agreed. I think the program would have been a lot more effect if those cars were allowed to be resold.

Thats not the intent of the program. It's to rid the roads of cars that don't get "X" miles per gallon.
Reselling them just keeps them on the road

re: #128 Last Mohican

You mean my post, or hers? If mine, I apologize. There's something I find at once terrifying and truly fascinating about the Internet Age: the fact that people have blogs, MySpace pages, etc. where they post deranged, violent rantings right next to the most banal trivial details... their astrological sign, a cute picture that their kid drew in art class, a funny joke they heard at work today.

Sorry, back in late -- fixing supper.

I was just wondering about the reference to the ... banned one ... if you get my drift. Perhaps I over-thought it. I don't know.

re: #156 albusteve

Not really. It's been that way throughout modern history. Tax money builds roads, aqueducts, law enforcement, sanitation.
What have the Romans ever done for us?

re: #154 JacksonTn

If it were an Olympic sport...

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Agreed. I think the program would have been a lot more effect if those cars were allowed to be resold.

but the idea was to get them off the road.

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Agreed. I think the program would have been a lot more effect if those cars were allowed to be resold.

But, Dear Leader and the Donks would have never been able to sell the program to the eco-freaky Watermelons...the CARS program is as much a sacrifice to the Green altar as it was a stimulus measure.

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Kash fer klunkers update...
Ford to post 1st monthly sales increase in 2 years

It appears to be working and it's very popular so Republicans predictably leap into action to prevent a possible success...
‘Cash for Clunkers’ Becomes a Republican Target

In this case, however, year-over-year sales gains are illusory; at this time last year, auto sales were already firmly in the tank. We can look forward to similar "gains" over the next two or three quarters as comparisons with previous figures make results that are firmly awful to mediocre look "better."

I'm glad to see Ford doing well; of the Big Three, they were the only company that had their shit together, and they are continuing to benefit from solid leadership. Unlike Chrysler, which has been forced to "twofer" their own sales, adding an additional $4500 discount on top of the government's in order to attract buyers. The article notes that overall car sales will come in around 16% lower even than last year's dismal showings; apparently, government control of the auto companies is failing in comparison with well-managed private enterprise, although even there the return to profitability and growth is still in the future.

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Agreed. I think the program would have been a lot more effect if those cars were allowed to be resold.

That wasn't the point, though. Makes too much sense.

re: #162 debutaunt

Did you suggest that when Mandy couldn't open the video too?

I suggest nothing to Mandy.
It's not safe.

/

re: #159 Gus 802

"Carpet bagging filth from Europe" is my personal favorite. Of course its thinly disguised anti-semitism.

re: #154 JacksonTn

FBV ... I am telling Mrs. FBV ... and don't you have some vacuuming to do? ...

C'mon... haven't you ever wondered why our arms are the length that they are? Very intelligent design, if you ask me.

(*runs for cover*)

re: #155 Killgore Trout

re: #164 sattv4u2

Thats not the intent of the program. It's to rid the roads of cars that don't get "X" miles per gallon.
Reselling them just keeps them on the road

Yet another in a long line of gov't programs where someoen should have looked at the law of unintended consequences

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Not really. It's been that way throughout modern history. Tax money builds roads, aqueducts, law enforcement, sanitation.
What have the Romans ever done for us?

(at the end) boom boom boom boom
PIZZA MAN!

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

C'mon... haven't you ever wondered why our arms are the length that they are? Very intelligent design, if you ask me.

(*runs for cover*)

And the thumb is for picking stuff up. Rrriiiggghhhttt.

re: #171 debutaunt

That wasn't the point, though. Makes too much sense.

KT want's to pollute the land and kill the planet and turn us all into simps...DRINK!

re: #164 sattv4u2

"The poor shall have mass transit instead of old cars. After all we don't like internal combustion engined cars anyway unless they are built inour plants and by our union friends" - the government

re: #175 sattv4u2

re: #164 sattv4u2

Yet another in a long line of gov't programs where someoen should have looked at the law of unintended consequences

tax the people to reward the UAW? please, the consequences were never unintended.

re: #180 brookly red

tax the people to reward the UAW? please, the consequences were never unintended.

you better lock your doors and cool it...

re: #173 MrPaulRevere

"Carpet bagging filth from Europe" is my personal favorite. Of course its thinly disguised anti-semitism.

I was trying to figure that one out. Makes you wonder about that idiot "Judge" Napolitano calling him "the great Alex Jones" and Fox News letting him have air time -- even if it was over the internet.

re: #159 Gus 802

Look out for the "pot bellied little dwarf new world order people!"

He actually said that. The man is pathetic regardless of if he's making this up but you know what's really scary? People out there take him seriously. Whew.

It is really scary. And he has something like the second-highest ratings of any TV host, right?

However, now and then I think it's worthwhile to remember what was happening during the Bush administration. In my blue-state neck of the woods, it was very commonplace for educated, highly functioning people to go around publicly saying things like "the Patriot act literally takes away every one of your constitutional rights. Bush is literally a fascist dictator. He is every bit as bad as the Nazis. He should not only be impeached, but executed."

Alex Jones' people are much scarier to me, but they're only a few points less rational.

re: #131 sattv4u2

FORWARD LOOKING

Once all these 'clunkers" are swapped in and destroyed, what do people with little to no money buy when THEY need a car when THEIR clunker dies?

They can't afford the payments on a new one1
There won't be many (if any) $200-$500 shitboxes available

Will Congress come up with the same type of loan program for cars that demanded that low income, so so credit rating. spotty job history people get home loans?

It's a good question. CFC has certainly drained the used car market of cheap vehicles, and the poor will be the ones bearing the brunt of this effect for the reasons you cite.

The program also only entices those in the market for new cars in the first place, or those who would have been in the near future. There will be a corresponding slump in demand once the program expires, possibly driving a fragile auto sector recovery back into the tank. Congress, in it's abysmal wisdom, may decide to keep extending the program indefinitely, which will effectively wind up adding $4500 to the price of every car sold if allowed to continue, just as rebates demanded by consumers essentially added the rebate cost to the price of a new car.

re: #181 albusteve

you better lock your doors and cool it...

They are trying to track down Brookly, but are unsure where Brookly is.

The CARS program is about stimulating sales for the auto industry. Mileage ratings are a sidelight.

IMHO, the facts that (1) the trade-ins are being destroyed and (2) there's a less-than-25-year-old cap are the tip-offs.

Detroit gets more sales if the number of cars on the road is reduced.

The over-25-year crop of autos are the ones which are the real polluters.

re: #182 Gus 802

I was trying to figure that one out. Makes you wonder about that idiot "Judge" Napolitano calling him "the great Alex Jones" and Fox News letting him have air time -- even if it was over the internet.

Gus802 ... whores all of them ...

re: #180 brookly red

tax the people to reward the UAW? please, the consequences were never unintended.

heh ,,,

We have a program where we're GIVING AWAY MONEY
A couple of days in, we RUN OUT OF MONEY

Who Whoulda Thunk !!!

re: #176 albusteve

Such a great movie...

oh please...Alex is is nobody, a fringe kook that most people ignore...
( two years later he's a Senator)

re: #186 debutaunt

They are trying to track down Brookly, but are unsure where Brookly is.

haha!...find another map, goddammit!...it's gotta be here somewhere!

Have to take a nap -- later folks!

re: #187 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The cars program is about power, control, and ignorance all disguised as auto industry stimulus.

re: #194 Dominic Yeso

The cars program is about power, control, and ignorance all disguised as auto industry stimulus.

no ,, it's about paying back 2 large voter blocs

Unions
Environementalists

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

C'mon... haven't you ever wondered why our arms are the length that they are? Very intelligent design, if you ask me.

(*runs for cover*)

I'll never look at Vitruvian Man the same way ever again.

re: #193 Gus 802

Have to take a nap -- later folks!

Good night, compañero.

re: #194 Dominic Yeso

The cars program is about power, control, and ignorance all disguised as auto industry stimulus.

I kind of wonder if the auto dealers will actually be reimbursed by the government.

re: #192 albusteve

haha!...find another map, goddammit!...it's gotta be here somewhere!

albusteve ... google will find you ... have you seen that website that the wife of google guy has? ... it is about sending in your DNA ... I looked at it briefly but I want to go back and see what it is all about ... I don't know if I would want to send in my DNA but I understand the need to help in finding cures ... mixed emotions of this ...

re: #195 sattv4u2

well that's true and that's an aspect of the power and control part.

re: #194 Dominic Yeso

The cars program is about power, control, and ignorance all disguised as auto industry stimulus.

so the health care program is?

re: #201 brookly red

the same

re: #196 doppelganglander

I'll never look at Vitruvian Man the same way ever again.

His arms are in MOTION! No one ever gets that.

re: #199 JacksonTn

albusteve ... google will find you ... have you seen that website that the wife of google guy has? ... it is about sending in your DNA ... I looked at it briefly but I want to go back and see what it is all about ... I don't know if I would want to send in my DNA but I understand the need to help in finding cures ... mixed emotions of this ...

What does Google want with our DNA? Will I be able to search for long-lost relatives?

re: #180 brookly red

tax the people to reward the UAW? please, the consequences were never unintended.

Here's the kicker though...I think the CARS program is actually going to mostly benefit the "foreign" marques (Nissan, Toyota, etc.) that are not beholden to the UAW, simply because they have more eligible models to choose from, from the top to the bottom of the spectrum.

re: #157 karmic_inquisitor

Computing the regional distributon of party membership that this model yields, we get:

Democrats:
Northeast 27%
South 25%
Midwest 24%
West 24%

Republicans:
Northeast 17%
South 32%
Midwest 26%
West 24%

Independents:
Northeast 26%
South 24%
Midwest 23%
West 27%

Just as a heads up - the South has 2 times the population that the Northeast have. Together they make up roughly 50% of the population and the West and Midwest split (more or less) the other half.

re: #199 JacksonTn

albusteve ... google will find you ... have you seen that website that the wife of google guy has? ... it is about sending in your DNA ... I looked at it briefly but I want to go back and see what it is all about ... I don't know if I would want to send in my DNA but I understand the need to help in finding cures ... mixed emotions of this ...

no DNA from me...not voluntarily...the can rip it from me in jail

re: #204 doppelganglander

What does Google want with our DNA? Will I be able to search for long-lost relatives?

dop ... it is not google itself ... his wife is part of this company ...

[Link: www.23andme.com...]

as in everything you need to read the fine print ... they use your DNA to research ...

re: #190 Killgore Trout

Such a great movie...

time to rent that one again...you can sure miss alot

re: #205 talon_262

Here's the kicker though...I think the CARS program is actually going to mostly benefit the "foreign" marques (Nissan, Toyota, etc.) that are not beholden to the UAW, simply because they have more eligible models to choose from, from the top to the bottom of the spectrum.

hmmm, that is unintended... but who care as long as the folks getting new cars vote D.

re: #199 JacksonTn

albusteve ... google will find you ... have you seen that website that the wife of google guy has? ... it is about sending in your DNA ... I looked at it briefly but I want to go back and see what it is all about ... I don't know if I would want to send in my DNA but I understand the need to help in finding cures ... mixed emotions of this ...

If they want my DNA I have a suggestion on how they might get a sample...

re: #205 talon_262

Here's the kicker though...I think the CARS program is actually going to mostly benefit the "foreign" marques (Nissan, Toyota, etc.) that are not beholden to the UAW, simply because they have more eligible models to choose from, from the top to the bottom of the spectrum.

I wanted Lightning McQueen but got 'Mater instead.
And you may be right.

re: #205 talon_262

Here's the kicker though...I think the CARS program is actually going to mostly benefit the "foreign" marques (Nissan, Toyota, etc.) that are not beholden to the UAW, simply because they have more eligible models to choose from, from the top to the bottom of the spectrum.

it's not about Toyota...it's about using your money to buy votes...open, brazen pandering

Okay ... it is not harvest time ... but I still really like Neil ... but he makes most of his songs not available to embed off of youtube ... which sucks ...

we know where the music is playing ... let's go out and feel the night ...

re: #131 sattv4u2

FORWARD LOOKING

Once all these 'clunkers" are swapped in and destroyed, what do people with little to no money buy when THEY need a car when THEIR clunker dies?

They can't afford the payments on a new one1
There won't be many (if any) $200-$500 shitboxes available

Will Congress come up with the same type of loan program for cars that demanded that low income, so so credit rating. spotty job history people get home loans?

Why be you, when you can be new?

Bunker Buster bomb program pushed up?

bomb.

re: #214 JacksonTn

Okay ... it is not harvest time ... but I still really like Neil ... but he makes most of his songs not available to embed off of youtube ... which sucks ...

we know where the music is playing ... let's go out and feel the night ...

use imeem...they have every song ever recorded...no vids tho...I love the vids too

Cars for Clunkers - what a freaking joke.

U.S. carmakers are struggling (along with the rest of the economy) so the government hands them tons of cash. When that does little to help, the car makers they then come up with a program to get "clunkers" (which implies old polluters) off the road by giving up to $4500 for a trade in.

Consumers aren't stupid and see a way to take advantage of a government program (think free cheese) so they line up in droves. Obama touts this as "success!".

Yep. It's success alright. We succeeded in throwing $4 Billion dollars away on a short term fix for the Automotive industry.

Stimulate the economy my, er, ass.

re: #217 albusteve

use imeem...they have every song ever recorded...no vids tho...I love the vids too

albusteve ... yes ... I am getting really pissed off at youtube ...

re: #216 avanti

Bunker Buster bomb program pushed up?

bomb.

KA-Bunker-BOOM

re: #216 avanti

Bunker Buster bomb program pushed up?

bomb.

that's good...
wait. dosen't that require an aircraft to drop it from?

re: #219 JacksonTn

albusteve ... yes ... I am getting really pissed off at youtube ...

they pulled down a bunch of cool WAR vids and music...bummer, I don't know why or how it works...I click, therefore I am

re: #221 brookly red

that's good...
wait. dosen't that require an aircraft to drop it from?

Northrop Grumman Corp's radar-evading B-2 bomber "would be capable of carrying the bomb by July 2010," said Andy Bourland, an Air Force spokesman.

It is deployable only July 2010. Darn.

re: #221 brookly red

that's good...
wait. dosen't that require an aircraft to drop it from?

B-52's. We got plenty of 'em.

Maybe one day Obama will have a "cash for clunkers" program for aging military aircraft, too. Seems to me that would stimulate the economy just as much the automobile version.

re: #221 brookly red

that's good...
wait. dosen't that require an aircraft to drop it from?

200ft...(keep digging boys!)

re: #208 JacksonTn

dop ... it is not google itself ... his wife is part of this company ...

[Link: www.23andme.com...]

as in everything you need to read the fine print ... they use your DNA to research ...

And I'm sure they expect to make plenty of money from the treatments they develop using DNA samples from the rubes who actually pay them for the privilege. Seriously, what kind of meaningful information can they give you about your "risks?" There are only a handful of diseases with strongly identified genetic markers, such as Huntington's disease. They can identify markers for some types of breast cancer, but not all. This sort of thing could give false assurance to some people and create unnecessary fear in others.

we should just drive a few armored columns into Tehran, throw down the Mullahs, drink some beer, go home...problem solved

re: #223 callahan23

It is deployable only July 2010. Darn.

/oh, then there is still time to cut it from the budget...

re: #213 albusteve

it's not about Toyota...it's about using your money to buy votes...open, brazen pandering

We know that, but Joe Six-Pack doesn't necessarily know that...the thing is, Dear Leader and the Donks are going to wind up pissing off their buddies in the UAW if the lion's share of the CARS money goes to Nissan/Toyota/Mazda/etc. instead of the Big Three.

re: #226 doppelganglander

And I'm sure they expect to make plenty of money from the treatments they develop using DNA samples from the rubes who actually pay them for the privilege. Seriously, what kind of meaningful information can they give you about your "risks?" There are only a handful of diseases with strongly identified genetic markers, such as Huntington's disease. They can identify markers for some types of breast cancer, but not all. This sort of thing could give false assance to some people and create unnecessary fear in others.

Dop ... yes maybe but it is a "feel" good thing to do ... and it raises money ... I don't know because I have not gone back and really looked at the site more closely ... but google is way too much these days ...

re: #184 SixDegrees

It's a good question. CFC has certainly drained the used car market of cheap vehicles, and the poor will be the ones bearing the brunt of this effect for the reasons you cite.

The program also only entices those in the market for new cars in the first place, or those who would have been in the near future. There will be a corresponding slump in demand once the program expires, possibly driving a fragile auto sector recovery back into the tank. Congress, in it's abysmal wisdom, may decide to keep extending the program indefinitely, which will effectively wind up adding $4500 to the price of every car sold if allowed to continue, just as rebates demanded by consumers essentially added the rebate cost to the price of a new car.

There are millions of used cars that will not be traded in for CFC, especially cheap economical cars that did not qualify because they aren't gas guzzlers. Check ebay, the cheap used car market is alive and well.

re: #227 albusteve

we should just drive a few armored columns into Tehran, throw down the Mullahs, drink some beer, go home...problem solved

albusteve ... you didn't get the memo? ... beer solves everything now ... geez ...

re: #230 JacksonTn

Dop ... yes maybe but it is a "feel" good thing to do ... and it raises money ... I don't know because I have not gone back and really looked at the site more closely ... but google is way too much these days ...

It may make people feel good, but how useful can DNA data be without a medical history of the donor, as well as follow-up data to see whether the person develops any of the diseases he's supposedly at risk for? I'm just skeptical of the whole enterprise. The fact that Google is somehow involved doesn't help.

re: #229 talon_262

We know that, but Joe Six-Pack doesn't necessarily know that...the thing is, Dear Leader and the Donks are going to wind up pissing off their buddies in the UAW if the lion's share of the CARS money goes to Nissan/Toyota/Mazda/etc. instead of the Big Three.

look at the available cars in the deal...yes they are made in America, but they are already made...it's not stim, it's transfer...the UAW got their cut of Chrysler, so they can STFU for awhile...it's all a sick game

re: #220 callahan23

KA-Bunker-BOOM

You've seen the carrot, wanna see the big ass stick diplomacy.

re: #233 doppelganglander

It may make people feel good, but how useful can DNA data be without a medical history of the donor, as well as follow-up data to see whether the person develops any of the diseases he's supposedly at risk for? I'm just skeptical of the whole enterprise. The fact that Google is somehow involved doesn't help.

Dop ... don't know just talking about the site ... not sure what their motives are ...

re: #231 avanti

There are millions of used cars that will not be traded in for CFC, especially cheap economical cars that did not qualify because they aren't gas guzzlers. Check ebay, the cheap used car market is alive and well.

And for each car the CFC progaram crushes, that market shrinks by one. Doesn't take long counting to go from one to "xxx" thereby shrinking supply while there is no drop in demand causing the cheap used car market to be dead and sick!

re: #234 buzzsawmonkey

"I feel so cheap, so...used."

--American automobile

I'd like to use this motha...
Image: 67Chevelle_0k_medium.JPG

Looking at these numbers, I think the dKos model undercounts the number of Democrats in the South and overcounts the Republicans. That is my suspicion.

The hypothesis that Republicans in the South are freaking crazier than all others is watered down by the fact that the South has 2X the number of people than the Northeast.

The party membership distribution that comes out of the model is surprising in that it has more Democrats in the Northeast than in the South even though the South is 2X larger. If the South is 35% Democrat and 41% Republican based on the Washington Post data, and if the Northeast is 44% Democrat, the the dKos model is way off - it has far fewer Dems in the South than it should because the South should still hold more Democrats in aggregate than the Northeast based on the Census/Wapo data.

By under counting Dems and (thereby over counting Republicans) in the South, the poll can be used as a blunt object with which to reinforce biases about Southerners and Evangelicals. If over representation were filtered out, you'd have a less alarming poll and less with which to accuse Southerners of being bigoted.

So I am pretty sure the numbers have been goosed but welcome others to take a fresh look and disprove my suspicion.

re: #239 albusteve

I'd like to use this motha...
[Link: img.inkfrog.com...]

That makes 2 of us.

re: #238 sattv4u2

And for each car the CFC progaram crushes, that market shrinks by one. Doesn't take long counting to go from one to "xxx" thereby shrinking supply while there is no drop in demand causing the cheap used car market to be dead and sick!

you and your damned ARITHMATIC!...waaahhh!

re: #234 buzzsawmonkey

"I feel so cheap, so...used."

--American automobile

They must be so bidder.

re: #239 albusteve

I'd like to use this motha...
[Link: img.inkfrog.com...]

that is different kind of animal :)

re: #238 sattv4u2

And for each car the CFC progaram crushes, that market shrinks by one. Doesn't take long counting to go from one to "xxx" thereby shrinking supply while there is no drop in demand causing the cheap used car market to be dead and sick!

Which is effectively what has happened in Germany after more than half a year of such a program. The used car market is effectively dead. Lots of people formerly self-supporting are now on the dole for it.

re: #241 buzzsawmonkey

"Hey, baby. How about a Chevro-lay?"

yup...good one

Something is happening here ... as he hands you a bone ... Mr. Jones ...

here is your throat back ... as he hands you a loan ...

re: #243 albusteve

you and your damned ARITHMATIC!...waaahhh!

In spite of Avantis pie in the sky "the cheap used car market is alive and well." they aren't making any more "cheap used cars" to restock the supply!

re: #245 Gella

that is different kind of animal :)

it's about the most gorgeous hunk of steel I've ever seen...

Lizards, I need to get a few things done before bed time.
Thanks for keeping me company.

re: #246 callahan23

Which is effectively what has happened in Germany after more than half a year of such a program. The used car market is effectively dead. Lots of people formerly self-supporting are now on the dole for it.

Thanks ,, I didn't know that!

re: #250 albusteve

it's about the most gorgeous hunk of steel I've ever seen...

its classic :)