Fox News Continues Mainstreaming Alex Jones Conspiracy Theories

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Just when you think the weirdness might be slowing down a little, Fox News cites one of the most whacked out ravers at Alex Jones’ infowars.com, a far left nutjob with a history of antisemitic writings and conspiracy theories, as a reputable authority on swine flu.

Foreign governments, too, are thought to be drawing up worst-case emergency plans that rely heavily on armed forces.

“In addition to planning mass graves and crematoriums operating around the clock, governments are planning to implement martial law in response to a pandemic,” Kurt Nimmo wrote on Infowars.com, which has been tracking disturbing developments in swine flu preparedness.

Nimmo pointed to a report in the Daily Telegraph that referred to the British government’s emergency plans for “mass graves, inflatable mortuaries, 24-hour cremations and ‘express’ funerals.”

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178 comments

Sharmuta Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:04:01pm

Fox news has become a parody of themselves. Troofers are not now, never were, and never will be credible sources of information. Shame on Fox news.

Kenneth Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:04:16pm

Fox has gone nucking futs!

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:04:54pm

I saw the hysteria piece on the H1N1 flu. I rolled my eyes. (I have a teenager to teach me how.)

shiek al beif salami Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:05:13pm

I watched him for about thirty seconds in the clip where he wears the Joker face makeup. One sick pup.

Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:05:39pm

WTF!?! Last I saw, swine flu was a minimal danger to most folks, and has killed surprisingly few. Yes, it is an epidemic, but that only means it is widespread, not its mortality rate.

I guess Alex Jones (Troofer, 'Nirther) has yet to meet a conspiracy theory he didn't like.

Kragar Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:06:01pm

DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER! MASS HYSTERIA!

cronus Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:06:18pm

If embracing the crazy is wrong, Fox just doesn't want to be right.

Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:06:20pm

I personally won't get any flu shot. Never have and I don't feel I need to. Plus, older folk might need one. And, oh yea, BOOGA BOOGA!!! I also know people who think that the flu shots are a way to microchip people. So, once more, BOOGA!!

Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:06:28pm

re: #2 Kenneth

Fox has gone nucking futs!

They were before the Bush administration as well. It's amazing how few people remember how tabloidish Fox News was pre-9/11.

Last Mohican Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:06:46pm

a far left nutjob with a history of antisemitic writings and conspiracy theories, as a reputable authority on swine flu.

Is that this Michel Chossudovsky?

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:06:49pm

Will the menace of parachute pants and feathered hair return to the United States? If so, will the military need to get involved?

/Put down the aquanet, ma'am, and nobody gets hurt.

Creeping Eruption Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:07:13pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER! MASS HYSTERIA!

Tell em' about the Twinkie

MrSilverDragon Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:07:29pm

Now if they were promoting "Chuck Jones", I'd listen more intently.

I love the classic WB cartoons.

Kragar Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:07:44pm

re: #11 EmmmieG

Will the menace of parachute pants and feathered hair return to the United States? If so, will the military need to get involved?

/Put down the aquanet, ma'am, and nobody gets hurt.

Orly Taitz will fight you to her last can!

turn Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:07:53pm

"but rumors that it could be real are spreading like the flu in the blogosphere, where some people are loudly expressing their fears that the federal government is seriously considering such measures as it maps out a worst-case-scenario response to the swine flu pandemic."

If the government isn't seriously considering such measures they would be woefully negligent in their responsibilities.

Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:08:07pm

Folks, I hate to say it, but Fox News is merely returning to their tabloidish roots. They were the laughingstock of the cable news community pre-9/11. It looks as though they wish to be again.

jvic Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:08:23pm

Rupert Murdoch seems amoral.

Whatever else can be said about the liberal media, they're not out to maximize their cash flow and to hell with everything else.

Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:08:37pm

re: #10 Last Mohican

Is that this Michel Chossudovsky?

See the quote above...

debutaunt Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:09:08pm

re: #17 jvic

Rupert Murdoch seems amoral.

Whatever else can be said about the liberal media, they're not out to maximize their cash flow and to hell with everything else.

No, they are out to maximize something else.

Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:09:10pm

re: #12 Creeping Eruption

Tell em' about the Twinkie

Everything was fine until our power grid was shut off by Dickless here.
They caused an explosion!
Is this true?
Yes, it's true... This man has no dick.

yenta-fada Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:10:31pm

Oh no! One step away from Jews as alien shape-shifting reptiles. Although, Al Gore does have a bit of a serpentine look around the eyes. /

MrSilverDragon Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:10:56pm

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

Everything was fine until our power grid was shut off by Dickless here.
They caused an explosion!
Is this true?
Yes, it's true... This man has no dick.

Since I will miss any more of them, I offer my implied upding to any Ghostbusters quotes that follow.

Y'all have a wonderful night, hope to chat with y'all tomorrow.!

Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:11:18pm

re: #21 yenta-fada

Oh no! One step away from Jews as alien shape-shifting reptiles. Although, Al Gore does have a bit of a serpentine look around the eyes. /

Don't give Alex Jones any ideas. If it's a conspiracy theory, he's down with it.

aggieann Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:11:35pm

The fact that he is not a credible authority doesn't make the threat any less real, however. Thank God this thing hasn't mutated--yet.

yenta-fada Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:12:32pm

re: #15 turn

"but rumors that it could be real are spreading like the flu in the blogosphere, where some people are loudly expressing their fears that the federal government is seriously considering such measures as it maps out a worst-case-scenario response to the swine flu pandemic."

If the government isn't seriously considering such measures they would be woefully negligent in their responsibilities.

It gets worse in the conspiracy blogosphere. They think that the 'New World Order' is using the vaccine to depopulate the planet.

Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:12:42pm

Ok, first off, Fox has jumped the shark on a whole lot of stuff, and Alex Jones is a complete nut case, but, this Telegraph article is plain and simple, the British government is looking at these options in case of a swine flu epidemic.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:12:43pm

Ah, Faux News, Fair to the Unbalanced.

No agenda here, just straightforward sensationalism and lowest common denominator ratings whoring.

Kragar Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:12:54pm

re: #24 aggieann

The fact that he is not a credible authority doesn't make the threat any less real, however. Thank God this thing hasn't mutated--yet.

The fact that there is a threat doesn't make this guy reliable either.

Former Belgian Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:13:06pm

It's truly disturbing to see Fox News quote such a whackjob, but here is the original Daily Telegraph article he appears to have been quoting from:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

albusteve Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:13:18pm

Now a proposal awaiting Defense Secretary Robert Gates' approval would allow the military to set up regional teams to assist civilian authorities in dealing with the impact of the swine flu pandemic.

the only reference to the US...to extrapolate tyranny from this line is a reach

Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:13:26pm

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

Ok, first off, Fox has jumped the shark on a whole lot of stuff, and Alex Jones is a complete nut case, but, this Telegraph article is plain and simple, the British government is looking at these options in case of a swine flu epidemic.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

So cite the Telegraph article. Not this freak Nimmo.

wrenchwench Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:13:29pm

New Mexico had its first swine flu death over the weekend.

Excuse me while I "run in circles, scream and shout."

SixDegrees Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:14:23pm

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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:14:33pm

Go Google some of his writings, if you want to see why this is such a travesty.

In fact, it's a traveshamockery.

Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:14:48pm

re: #31 Charles

So cite the Telegraph article. Not this freak Nimmo.

That answers my question.

albusteve Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:15:09pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

New Mexico had its first swine flu death over the weekend.

Excuse me while I "run in circles, scream and shout."

we had a plague death this spring too...whatever...probably down from years past tho so far

Last Mohican Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:15:18pm

re: #18 Charles

See the quote above...

Ah yes, I see now. I had initially clicked right through to the Fox News story.

I found plenty of, well, "unusual" stuff that Michel Chossudovsky wrote on that Global Research site. But Kurt Nimmo, wow, he is one flat-out sick in the head, seriously dangerous, rense-posting freak.

esch Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:15:33pm

Ugh. It would be nice if there was ANY news channel I could trust to do real consistent journalism.

Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:15:34pm

Kurt Nimmo claims the Jews are trying to silence him...
Zionist Threats - Nimmo Stops Posting On Blog

FOX news is garbage.

Rednek Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:15:41pm

7.7 quake Andaman Islands, Indian Ocean

Let's hope there is no Tsunami

CyanSnowHawk Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:15:47pm

The same FoxNews.com that is promoting Michael Yon.

Michael Yon, an independent journalist and former Green Beret, is in Afghanistan reporting on the war against Al Qaeda terrorists and the Taliban. Here is a portion of his latest dispatch exclusively for FOXNews.com.

Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:16:02pm

Speaking of Kooks, Oily Tights is on a local talk show right now. Ugg...

Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:16:39pm

IMHO, Alex Jones isn't old enough to be a reputable authority on anything. I mean, he's been nothing but a crank and a kook since his teen years.

DaddyG Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:16:56pm

re: #13 MrSilverDragon

Now if they were promoting "Chuck Jones", I'd listen more intently.

I love the classic WB cartoons.

So you claim to have a "Chuck Jones"? Nobody likes a synchophant blogger. /

turn Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:16:57pm

re: #25 yenta-fada

It gets worse in the conspiracy blogosphere. They think that the 'New World Order' is using the vaccine to depopulate the planet.

In our Monday morning staff meeting we actually had a discussion on the possibility of a swine flu breakout here at work. Obviously we can't send everyone home like some Sacramento area schools have done. I think most schools here have now changed that policy to just sending the potentially inflicted person home which is what we will do if it happens.

avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:16:57pm

Fox is simply a entertainment/opinion channel. I often want to toss a shoe at the TV when they use a quote that they must know is dead wrong and has been long exposed. They so it on most every subject dear to some in the base that love to hear it, be it AGW, health care, or the rest.

OldLineTexan Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:17:04pm

re: #23 Honorary Yooper

Don't give Alex Jones any ideas. If it's a conspiracy theory, he's down with it.

So he's seen Pelosi's astroturf swastikas too?

Jack Burton Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:17:12pm

How many people died of swine flu in 2009: In the whole world about 1800. (And I believe this to be an inflated estimate)

How many people die from normal influenza every year: Between 20000-50000 in the United States alone.

Please shut the fuck up panic-mongers. Go back to ranting about Reptilians in the NWO or some shit.

OldLineTexan Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:17:36pm

re: #46 avanti

Fox is simply a entertainment/opinion channel. I often want to toss a shoe at the TV when they use a quote that they must know is dead wrong and has been long exposed. They so it on most every subject dear to some in the base that love to hear it, be it AGW, health care, or the rest.

Reading that gave me a tingle up my leg!

///

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:17:43pm

Fox News, citing writers for Infowars as a credible news source. Did those at FNC decide that DKos writers weren't crazy enough for them?

:sigh:

Last Mohican Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:18:14pm

re: #34 Charles

In fact, it's a traveshamockery.

It's worse than that! It's a full-fledged disgustegregabomination.

Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:18:52pm

Now, aside from a kook citing a valid source for his article, this original article in the Telegraph is very interesting. Maybe if we had nationalize healthcare, then we would be as prepared as Britain for a possible epidemic.
/

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

NukeAtomrod Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:19:20pm

Just now on Cavuto, two attendees of the Romulus Town Hall claim that the man holding the "Obama with Hitler Mustache" sign was working for Rep. Dingle and was later seen distributing pro-healthcare plan pamphlets. They claim to be life-long Democrats who were concerned enough about the Obama plan, that they attended a town hall for the first time.

I don't think there's anyway to verify their statement, but it certainly reinforces my doubts.

Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:19:20pm

re: #46 avanti

Fox is simply a entertainment/opinion channel. I often want to toss a shoe at the TV when they use a quote that they must know is dead wrong and has been long exposed. They so it on most every subject dear to some in the base that love to hear it, be it AGW, health care, or the rest.

Or Michael Yon?

SixDegrees Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:19:29pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

New Mexico had its first swine flu death over the weekend.

Excuse me while I "run in circles, scream and shout."

For some reason, the number of swine flu deaths in Britain is higher than in other countries. Could be a lot of things: genetic predisposition of this particular population; a more deadly strain of the virus emerging; a predilection for alternative, or quack, cures leading to ineffective or non-existent treatment; misdiagnosis; or just dumb chance - there are, I believe, still only a handful of cases, just a larger handful than has been seen elsewhere, making statistical variation all the more likely.

It's something worth watching, but nothing to panic over at this point.

DaddyG Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:19:57pm

I worry about the beneign virus the CDC isn't watching that mutates into something deadly.

SixDegrees Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:20:36pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Kurt Nimmo claims the Jews are trying to silence him...
Zionist Threats - Nimmo Stops Posting On Blog

FOX news is garbage.

The Jews...Swine flu...what more proof does anyone need?

Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:20:42pm

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

Ah, Faux News, Fair to the Unbalanced.

No agenda here, just straightforward sensationalism and lowest common denominator ratings whoring.

They're been going downhill at least since Shep Smith jumped all over that official during Katrina. Good grief.

Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:20:43pm

The real point about that Telegraph article is that Nimmo is claiming the US has these plans ready to go -- and for evidence, he cites a British newspaper report on Britain's plans.

This is so lame it makes my head hurt.

Randall Gross Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:20:44pm

Meanwhile back in reality-ville the government is recommending that schools stay open during outbreaks.

Racer X Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:20:57pm

re: #53 NukeAtomrod

Just now on Cavuto, two attendees of the Romulus Town Hall claim that the man holding the "Obama with Hitler Mustache" sign was working for Rep. Dingle and was later seen distributing pro-healthcare plan pamphlets. They claim to be life-long Democrats who were concerned enough about the Obama plan, that they attended a town hall for the first time.

I don't think there's anyway to verify their statement, but it certainly reinforces my doubts.

Can't be. Dude had to be a Teabagger™

turn Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:21:07pm

re: #48 ArchangelMichael

How many people died of swine flu in 2009: In the whole world about 1800. (And I believe this to be an inflated estimate)

How many people die from normal influenza every year: Between 20000-50000 in the United States alone.

Please shut the fuck up panic-mongers. Go back to ranting about Reptilians in the NWO or some shit.

It is strange, it seems like some people have an inherent weakness to this stain. My supervisor's daughter had a 50 year old perfectly healthy hospital coworker who died of it here in Sac. She ran marathons.

Sharmuta Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:21:19pm

re: #46 avanti

Fox is simply a entertainment/opinion channel. I often want to toss a shoe at the TV when they use a quote that they must know is dead wrong and has been long exposed. They so it on most every subject dear to some in the base that love to hear it, be it AGW, health care, or the rest.

They love to use their ratings to claim they're the most trusted name in news, but that's not exactly true. They're just the most popular. I'd rather watch a network that could prove it was the most accurate name in news.

debutaunt Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:21:33pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Kurt Nimmo claims the Jews are trying to silence him...
Zionist Threats - Nimmo Stops Posting On Blog

FOX news is garbage.

TV news, in gereral, is unwatchable.

Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:21:51pm

re: #59 Charles

The real point about that Telegraph article is that Nimmo is claiming the US has these plans ready to go -- and for evidence, he cites a British newspaper report on Britain's plans.

This is so lame it makes my head hurt.

You're not the only one reaching for the Tylenol over this stuff.

Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:22:11pm

re: #57 SixDegrees

The Jews...Swine flu...what more proof does anyone need?

/

Wouldn't that be ape and swine flu?

DaddyG Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:22:17pm

re: #53 NukeAtomrod

Just now on Cavuto, two attendees of the Romulus Town Hall claim that the man holding the "Obama with Hitler Mustache" sign was working for Rep. Dingle and was later seen distributing pro-healthcare plan pamphlets. They claim to be life-long Democrats who were concerned enough about the Obama plan, that they attended a town hall for the first time.

I don't think there's anyway to verify their statement, but it certainly reinforces my doubts.

Fake astroturf! What an outrage- when good American agriculture is trying to compete in the world economy making the real stuff. /

Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:22:48pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

They love to use their ratings to claim they're the most trusted name in news, but that's not exactly true. They're just the most popular. I'd rather watch a network that could prove it was the most accurate name in news.

Unfortuantely, I only find that in the local news nowadays.

Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:22:48pm

re: #65 Honorary Yooper

You're not the only one reaching for the Tylenol over this stuff.

Tylenol with Cyanide^TM?

Cygnus Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:22:52pm

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

Everything was fine until our power grid was shut off by Dickless here.
They caused an explosion!
Is this true?
Yes, it's true... This man has no dick.

"OK - she's a dog."

avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:23:32pm

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

Ok, first off, Fox has jumped the shark on a whole lot of stuff, and Alex Jones is a complete nut case, but, this Telegraph article is plain and simple, the British government is looking at these options in case of a swine flu epidemic.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

I'm not sure the if Torygraph is a reliable news source. They make Fox look liberal.

Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:23:34pm

re: #69 Ward Cleaver

Tylenol with Cyanide^TM?

Please don't remind us. It looks like that case has gone cold again. :-(

Locker Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:23:35pm

Not being familiar with Kurt Nimmo I did as suggested and google him for evidence of a "far left nutjob" and "antisemitic writing". I saw some entries where the word Zionist is used frequently.

Not being in the loop I'm wondering about this word. Is it like the "N" word in the sense that if you are Jewish you can use it and it's fine but if you aren't Jewish and you use it then the connotation is negative?

Just curious as to the prevailing opinion.

lawhawk Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:23:41pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

They love to use their ratings to claim they're the most trusted name in news, but that's not exactly true. They're just the most popular. I'd rather watch a network that could prove it was the most accurate name in news.

Good luck trying to figure out who's accurate and which ones aren't. And most people aren't nearly as diligent as trying to check multiple sources to see if various reports are accurate. They'll take their preferred channel and that's it - and follow 'em down the rabbit hole, wherever that may lead.

Randall Gross Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:24:02pm

re: #53 NukeAtomrod

Just now on Cavuto, two attendees of the Romulus Town Hall claim that the man holding the "Obama with Hitler Mustache" sign was working for Rep. Dingle and was later seen distributing pro-healthcare plan pamphlets. They claim to be life-long Democrats who were concerned enough about the Obama plan, that they attended a town hall for the first time.

I don't think there's anyway to verify their statement, but it certainly reinforces my doubts.

If you go to Michelle Malkin's site you can see people at a Tsongas meeting with Hitler-Moustachioed "Impeach Obama" signs, they can't all be Dingell employees.

SixDegrees Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:24:02pm

re: #53 NukeAtomrod

Just now on Cavuto, two attendees of the Romulus Town Hall claim that the man holding the "Obama with Hitler Mustache" sign was working for Rep. Dingle and was later seen distributing pro-healthcare plan pamphlets. They claim to be life-long Democrats who were concerned enough about the Obama plan, that they attended a town hall for the first time.

I don't think there's anyway to verify their statement, but it certainly reinforces my doubts.

Wait - the Ronulans are in on this?

Where the hell did I put my phaser?

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:24:20pm

re: #40 Rednek

7.7 quake Andaman Islands, Indian Ocean

Let's hope there is no Tsunami

25 minutes ago, 2:55 CDT. I can't find an official warning right away but I consider a tsunami likely. IF YOU ARE IN THE INDIAN OCEAN AREA, HEAD FOR HIGH GROUND AT ONCE. If I'm wrong you can fault me later. (I am a geo-scientist btw).

Sharmuta Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:24:25pm

re: #74 lawhawk

Good luck trying to figure out who's accurate and which ones aren't. And most people aren't nearly as diligent as trying to check multiple sources to see if various reports are accurate. They'll take their preferred channel and that's it - and follow 'em down the rabbit hole, wherever that may lead.

Wishing and getting are two different things. ;)

Racer X Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:24:32pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

They love to use their ratings to claim they're the most trusted name in news, but that's not exactly true. They're just the most popular. I'd rather watch a network that could prove it was the most accurate name in news.

Who is that?

Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:24:51pm

re: #71 avanti

I'm not sure the if Torygraph is a reliable news source. They make Fox look liberal.

Whether they're a good source or not, it's a non sequitur.

Sharmuta Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:25:02pm

re: #79 Racer X

That's the big question.

Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:25:11pm

re: #71 avanti

I'm not sure the if Torygraph is a reliable news source. They make Fox look liberal.

That's quite a compliment. Yes, they are reliable, and conservative.

Last Mohican Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:25:31pm

Noted infectious disease expert Kurt Nimmo, writing on prison planet:

[Next week's International Swine Flu Conference in Washington] e is further evidence the government plans to launched a false flag attack under the cover of an engineered H1N1 flu pandemic and impose martial law.

Prison Planet and Infowars have covered the story of a manufactured flu pandemic in detail, including [...rant rant rant...]

The “hidden agenda consists in using the threat of a pandemic and/or the plight of a natural disaster as a pretext to establish military rule” and “suspend Constitutional government and allow the Military to intervene in civilian affairs in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act,” author Michel Chossudovsky wrote in 2005.

Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:25:38pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

25 minutes ago, 2:55 CDT. I can't find an official warning right away but I consider a tsunami likely. IF YOU ARE IN THE INDIAN OCEAN AREA, HEAD FOR HIGH GROUND AT ONCE. If I'm wrong you can fault me later. (I am a geo-scientist btw).

Fear monger.
/

CyanSnowHawk Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:25:38pm

re: #75 Thanos

If you go to Michelle Malkin's site you can see people at a Tsongas meeting with Hitler-Moustachioed "Impeach Obama" signs, they can't all be Dingell employees.

I think they are Dingell-something else.
/

debutaunt Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:25:47pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

25 minutes ago, 2:55 CDT. I can't find an official warning right away but I consider a tsunami likely. IF YOU ARE IN THE INDIAN OCEAN AREA, HEAD FOR HIGH GROUND AT ONCE. If I'm wrong you can fault me later. (I am a geo-scientist btw).

When will California get another good-sized EQ?

avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:26:07pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

They love to use their ratings to claim they're the most trusted name in news, but that's not exactly true. They're just the most popular. I'd rather watch a network that could prove it was the most accurate name in news.

The sad news is, news has to make money, and accurate reporting is often less interesting and appealing to those that like a echo chamber and that goes for those MSNBC too.

Cygnus Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:26:08pm

I used to like Fox. It's too bad they've gone completely around the bend.

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:26:11pm

The Telegraph report is a non-story. Disaster planning is a legitimate obligation of any responsible government and this includes worst case scenarios.

Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:26:12pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

25 minutes ago, 2:55 CDT. I can't find an official warning right away but I consider a tsunami likely. IF YOU ARE IN THE INDIAN OCEAN AREA, HEAD FOR HIGH GROUND AT ONCE. If I'm wrong you can fault me later. (I am a geo-scientist btw).

Most agreed. Undersea quakes are nothing to trifle with, especially in the Indian Ocean rim where there still exists no tsunami warning system as in the Pacific. Make that two to fault later if we're wrong (geo-engineer here).

SixDegrees Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:26:19pm

re: #66 Ward Cleaver

Wouldn't that be ape and swine flu?

/

Doesn't is strike you as more than a coincidence that Jews don't eat pork? Making them immune to swine flu!

/ (crazy nutjob mode and googely eye rolling off)

DaddyG Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:26:34pm

When my big brother was working in homeland security we had discussions about how their millitary office could practice preparing for the impact of a pandemic. The government isn't well prepared enough much less organized anything close to what these conspiracy freaks are saying.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:26:43pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

They love to use their ratings to claim they're the most trusted name in news, but that's not exactly true. They're just the most popular

Yep. And McDonald's sells more hamburgers than anyone else. Junk food is popular.

lawhawk Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:27:00pm

OT:

The National Weather Service has this breaking story.

NYC has officially broken 90 degrees for the first time during the calendar summer (June, July, and August). It's the first time since April the temps have gone 90 degrees or higher (April 26 and April 28).

At no time since records have been kept has NYC ever gone June, July and August without a 90 degree day. Twice before has only one 90 degree day been recorded.

We now return to our regularly scheduled weather...

Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:27:06pm

re: #88 Cygnus

I used to like Fox. It's too bad they've gone completely around the bend.

Me too. They've really lost it. The only TV news I watch anymore is local news.

Cygnus Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:27:07pm

re: #86 debutaunt

When will California get another good-sized EQ?

When Rosie O'Donnell starts doing jumping jacks.

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:27:14pm

re: #86 debutaunt

When will California get another good-sized EQ?

Don't know, haven't been able to examine any spotted-owl entrails lately.

Racer X Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:27:22pm

re: #86 debutaunt

When will California get another good-sized EQ?

Thanks for the jinx. Now I'm looking at the lights every time a truck goes by.

Seriously - we are due. Knock on wood.

Randall Gross Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:28:01pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

25 minutes ago, 2:55 CDT. I can't find an official warning right away but I consider a tsunami likely. IF YOU ARE IN THE INDIAN OCEAN AREA, HEAD FOR HIGH GROUND AT ONCE. If I'm wrong you can fault me later. (I am a geo-scientist btw).

Shallow ocean basin - might hit the Malaysian pennisula

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Dianna Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:28:06pm

Acting as if that particular piece of contingency planning isn't there for a real, horrific epidemic is stupid. Acting as if it's the very first thing governments are going to do is ridiculous.

Some people - no matter where they are in the political spectrum - cannot live without a crisis.

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DaddyG Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:28:10pm

re: #91 SixDegrees

Doesn't is strike you as more than a coincidence that Jews don't eat pork? Making them immune to swine flu!

/ (crazy nutjob mode and googely eye rolling off)

Zionist plot against the WASPs! / Next thing you know there will be a mayonnaise flu.

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SixDegrees Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:28:33pm

re: #83 Last Mohican

Noted infectious disease expert Kurt Nimmo, writing on prison planet:

THEY WILL NEVER TAKE MY BACON! NEVER!

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Cygnus Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:28:43pm

re: #98 Racer X

Thanks for the jinx. Now I'm looking at the lights every time a truck goes by.

Seriously - we are due. Knock on wood.

There was a quake off Baja a week or so ago.

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debutaunt Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:28:59pm

re: #98 Racer X

Thanks for the jinx. Now I'm looking at the lights every time a truck goes by.

Seriously - we are due. Knock on wood.

I keep forgetting to stock up on water.

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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:29:00pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

25 minutes ago, 2:55 CDT. I can't find an official warning right away but I consider a tsunami likely. IF YOU ARE IN THE INDIAN OCEAN AREA, HEAD FOR HIGH GROUND AT ONCE. If I'm wrong you can fault me later. (I am a geo-scientist btw).

Thanks for that. If I were in the Indian Ocean right now, I'd be happy to fault you later from higher ground.

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avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:29:14pm

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth

Yep. And McDonald's sells more hamburgers than anyone else. Junk food is popular.

Then McDonalds is not the finest name in cuisine ?

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3 wood Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:29:34pm

OT: Market closed won slightly, bit there are some signs that housing may have stabilized. m

Housing Shows Stablization, Led By Strong Demand

The worst is over for the housing market, as low interest rates and strong demand are bringing stabilization to the pressured sector, said Patrick Lashinsky, President and CEO of ZipRealty.
"We've gotten supply better under control, new homebuilders aren't putting as many homes on, we've got demand in a good place, [and] interest rates are in a good position," Lashinsky told CNBC.

Home listings fell month over month in July, resulting from an increase in buyers, and from sellers taking their homes off the market because of consecutive price reductions. Inventory is down in several major cities, including a 6.5 percent decrease in Las Vegas and a 4.7 percent increase in Orlando, Lashinsky said. Both cities were among the hardest hit by the housing downturn.

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Former Belgian Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:29:40pm

re: #31 Charles

So cite the Telegraph article. Not this freak Nimmo.

Precisely what I simply don't get. Pity. Fox used to be the good guys. Now they only look like a lesser evil than the others.

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albusteve Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:29:47pm

re: #106 avanti

Then McDonalds is not the finest name in cuisine ?

whatever...have it your way

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Racer X Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:30:13pm

re: #94 lawhawk

OT:

The National Weather Service has this breaking story.

NYC has officially broken 90 degrees for the first time during the calendar summer (June, July, and August). It's the first time since April the temps have gone 90 degrees or higher (April 26 and April 28).

At no time since records have been kept has NYC ever gone June, July and August without a 90 degree day. Twice before has only one 90 degree day been recorded.

We now return to our regularly scheduled weather...

A 3 month trend is not climate - that is just weather. Now if they go 2 years then we can officially say GW is dead.

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Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:30:23pm

re: #86 debutaunt

When will California get another good-sized EQ?

Could be years from now; could be within the next five minutes. To date, no one has repeatedly successfully predicted earthquakes.

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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:30:24pm

re: #86 debutaunt

When will California get another good-sized EQ?

Let me consult my sources.
Answer hazy; try again later.

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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:30:29pm

re: #92 DaddyG

When my big brother was working in homeland security we had discussions about how their millitary office could practice preparing for the impact of a pandemic. The government isn't well prepared enough much less organized anything close to what these conspiracy freaks are saying.

Part of being a conspiracy believer is the ability to believe that a government that couldn't keep a BJ in the oval office secret is capable of keeping grand plans involving thousands of people engaged in nefarious activities absolutely and completely secret.

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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:30:31pm

re: #109 albusteve

whatever...have it your way

That's Burger King.

/hold the pickle, hold the lettuce...

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lawhawk Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:30:53pm

re: #99 Thanos

[Link: hisz.rsoe.hu...]

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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:30:55pm

re: #112 Kosh's Shadow

Let me consult my sources.
Answer hazy; try again later.

Shake it again!

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Dianna Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:31:12pm

re: #92 DaddyG

When my big brother was working in homeland security we had discussions about how their millitary office could practice preparing for the impact of a pandemic. The government isn't well prepared enough much less organized anything close to what these conspiracy freaks are saying.

To quote John Ringo: "What most emergency plans leave out - and their practice sessions do to - is the emergency."

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Cygnus Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:31:13pm

re: #104 debutaunt

I keep forgetting to stock up on water.

The Seattle area is also due for a big one, though the 2001 quake was pretty strong.

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turn Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:31:35pm

re: #100 Dianna

Some people - no matter where they are in the political spectrum - cannot live without a crisis.

and

Some politicians - no matter where they are in the political spectrum - cannot live without exploiting a crisis.

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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:31:36pm

re: #108 Former Belgian

Precisely what I simply don't get. Pity. Fox used to be the good guys. Now they only look like a lesser evil than the others.

Here's what I'm wondering: did Fox cite Nimmo and infowars because they're lazy, and they didn't do enough checking to realize what a freak they were talking to? Or did they do it on purpose, feeling that their base contains a lot of infowars readers, and both they and infowars will profit from extra traffic if they collaborate in sending everyone into a hysterical paranoid frenzy?

I think I know the answer to this question, but I wish it were otherwise.

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Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:31:48pm

re: #112 Kosh's Shadow

Let me consult my sources.
Answer hazy; try again later.

A Magic 8 Ball is about as good as anything else for predicting earthquakes.

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Jack Burton Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:31:50pm

re: #86 debutaunt

When will California get another good-sized EQ?

Sometime between right now and when the sun turns into a red giant.

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tradewind Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:32:10pm

Disappointing. Maybe Fox will catch on soon... they usually do.
Now if we could just do something about MSNBC's mainstreaming Keith Olbermann ...

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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:32:13pm

re: #94 lawhawk

OT:

The National Weather Service has this breaking story.

NYC has officially broken 90 degrees for the first time during the calendar summer (June, July, and August). It's the first time since April the temps have gone 90 degrees or higher (April 26 and April 28).

At no time since records have been kept has NYC ever gone June, July and August without a 90 degree day. Twice before has only one 90 degree day been recorded.

We now return to our regularly scheduled weather...

When Bloomberg gets the electric bill for that overuse of AC he is going to be so pissed off.

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debutaunt Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:32:26pm

re: #111 Honorary Yooper

Could be years from now; could be within the next five minutes. To date, no one has repeatedly successfully predicted earthquakes.

I know. I was hoping to get a heads-up, but just have to go by my own senses instead of all the Parkfield sensors.

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albusteve Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:32:48pm

re: #121 Honorary Yooper

A Magic 8 Ball is about as good as anything else for predicting earthquakes.

all this earthquake talk gives me the shakes

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:32:57pm

re: #106 avanti

Then McDonalds is not the finest name in cuisine ?

I am afraid that is the truth. Are you sitting down? I have another bombshell to drop on you...

Despite enormous recording sales, Brittney Spears has never been the finest voice in music.

/crap sells

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debutaunt Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:33:48pm

re: #118 Cygnus

The Seattle area is also due for a big one, though the 2001 quake was pretty strong.

Last one for us was 1989.

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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:34:22pm

re: #106 avanti

Then McDonalds is not the finest name in cuisine ?

That's Taco Bell. I hear they're going to win the restaurant wars.

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Randall Gross Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:34:32pm

re: #115 lawhawk

[Link: hisz.rsoe.hu...]

Scratch Malaysia, the Depth of the Andaman sea will protect it from where the quake is pinpointed, Burma / Yangon could get hit

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avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:34:42pm

re: #107 3 wood

OT: Market closed won slightly, bit there are some signs that housing may have stabilized. m

Housing Shows Stablization, Led By Strong Demand

Odd that you mentioned Las Vegas, my casino host just called to ask me if I wanted a free, 4 day junket for two out there in Oct. That is a rhetorical question IMHO. :) Yea, probably got it because the POTUS knocked Vagas for banking conventions, but what the hell.

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Cygnus Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:34:58pm

OK - Drum roll please!

This is my 5000th comment!!!
Over two years of occasionally funny and hopefully not too boring posts.

Thank you, thank you! *bowing to Lizard audience*

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avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:37:01pm

re: #110 Racer X

A 3 month trend is not climate - that is just weather. Now if they go 2 years then we can officially say GW is dead.

/

2 years world wide could not even be a blip, but it's been way hotter in the NW and that too is just weather.

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3 wood Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:37:16pm

Krugman is going on about a 2nd stimulus package again:

Second Stimulus Needed to Avoid Lost Decade: Krugman

The world economy needs a second stimulus if it is to avoid the fate of Japan in the 1990s when the country was stuck with years of sluggish growth, Nobel laureate and professor of economics Paul Krugman told CNBC Monday.
"The good news is that it does not look like the 2nd great depression. For a few months it did," Krugman said.

All indicators now point to the fact that the plunge has stopped, as jobs in the US are lost at a smaller pace and manufacturing and services seem to be stabilizing worldwide, he added.

But the sources of future growth are hard to pinpoint as the financial crisis has left the world with excess capacity and the possibility of high unemployment everywhere, according to Krugman.

I agree that the source of future growth are hard to see at this point, but more deficit spending is not the answer.

That is like telling a drunk that they can drink themselves sober.

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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:37:45pm

Nemo - a lost clown fish.

Nimmo - a fishy lost clown.

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Kenneth Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:38:55pm

re: #59 Charles

So basically, with value-added paranoia, he's claiming the US has disaster preparedness plans? Isn't that a good thing?

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esch Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:38:55pm

re: #129 CyanSnowHawk

That's Taco Bell. I hear they're going to win the restaurant wars.

Actually, that's the franchise wars. But ding for the good Sly/Snipe reference.

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Locker Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:38:58pm

re: #135 karmic_inquisitor

Nemo - a lost clown fish.

Nimmo - a fishy lost clown.

Just keep swimming, just keep swimming... - Dory

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avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:39:07pm

re: #129 CyanSnowHawk

That's Taco Bell. I hear they're going to win the restaurant wars.

What's that new Burrito chain I just tried last week, yum. You pick your own fillings, and Burritos are about all that's on the menu.

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Former Belgian Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:39:13pm

re: #48 ArchangelMichael

How many people died of swine flu in 2009: In the whole world about 1800. (And I believe this to be an inflated estimate)

How many people die from normal influenza every year: Between 20000-50000 in the United States alone.

Please shut the fuck up panic-mongers. Go back to ranting about Reptilians in the NWO or some shit.

I pray to G-d that you are right and will continue to be. However, I know some virologists who are scared sh*tless of a mutation that will transform this comparatively "benign" virus into something truly nasty on (G-d forbid) this scale:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

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3 wood Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:39:30pm

re: #131 avanti

Yea, probably got it because the POTUS knocked Vagas for banking conventions, but what the hell.

Enjoy the trip.

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Pianobuff Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:41:40pm

re: #134 3 wood

Krugman is going on about a 2nd stimulus package again:

Second Stimulus Needed to Avoid Lost Decade: Krugman

I agree that the source of future growth are hard to see at this point, but more deficit spending is not the answer.

That is like telling a drunk that they can drink themselves sober.

Has this guy gotten anything right in years? Nobel Prizes are about as valuable as Pez these days. I take that back, I can eat a Pez.

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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:42:20pm

re: #136 Kenneth

So basically, with value-added paranoia, he's claiming the US has disaster preparedness plans? Isn't that a good thing?

That's all the Telegraph article is talking about.

Nimmo, however, also believes that the whole Swine Flu thing is a falsehood, invented by the Bilderberger Jewish Illuminati or whatever, so that the government has an excuse for imposing martial law and rounding up huge numbers of people so that they can be exterminated.

I just checked infowars, and they have already linked to the Fox News story that mentions them. Here's one of the comments:

Basically, the healthcare system and policies are set up to poison children, steal from and disfigure healthy adults while killing off the sick, old and poor. All in a Eugenic attempt at weakening society(de-evolution) so that we can’t fight back when they decide to go into the final phase of their ENGAME A.K.A. killing off 90% of the the worlds population.

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DaddyG Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:44:24pm

re: #117 Dianna

To quote John Ringo: "What most emergency plans leave out - and their practice sessions do to - is the emergency."

For pandemic practice I suggested his department assign colored stickers randomly and have everyone pass their color along to every person they came into close contact with at work including any new color they received. The next day they could pick one of the colors as the "infection" and have each person who received it stand down from duty to simulate the pandemic.

He liked the idea but didn't think his superiors would go for such a dramatic demonstration if it meant shutting the office down.

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avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:44:40pm

re: #141 3 wood

Enjoy the trip.

I always do, next to New Orleans, it's my favorite casino town. I always rent a car and do the tourist thing, maybe drive to Laughlin. BTW, since you play the market, do you gamble at casino's at all ?

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NukeAtomrod Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:44:56pm

re: #75 Thanos

If you go to Michelle Malkin's site you can see people at a Tsongas meeting with Hitler-Moustachioed "Impeach Obama" signs, they can't all be Dingell employees.

Probably correct. For one, I would expect these ones could be working for Tsonga... But, besides the obvious, when they do a close up of the sign, it shows the web address of LaRouchePAC. Lyndon LaRouche is a communist...

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:45:00pm

re: #143 Last Mohican

Nimmo, however, also believes that the whole Swine Flu thing is a falsehood, invented by the Bilderberger Jewish Illuminati or whatever,

It's worse than that. The Infowar folks believe the swine flu was released into the population by the gov't.

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Kenneth Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:45:06pm

re: #143 Last Mohican

Yes, Nimmo provides the value-added paranoia. Last time I checked, the Conspiracy Theorists have been predicting this sort of thing since the Nixon Administration. How long do they think they can keep back-dating their obsessions?

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DaddyG Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:45:06pm

re: #134 3 wood

That is like telling a drunk that they can drink themselves sober.

That doesn't work?/

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DaddyG Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:46:40pm

re: #132 Cygnus

OK - Drum roll please!

This is my 5000th comment!!!
Over two years of occasionally funny and hopefully not too boring posts.

Thank you, thank you! *bowing to Lizard audience*

Right behind you. But at my rate it will be a while.

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Dianna Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:46:48pm

re: #136 Kenneth

So basically, with value-added paranoia, he's claiming the US has disaster preparedness plans? Isn't that a good thing?

I think it's the "value-added paranoia" that's the problem.

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3 wood Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:46:52pm

The Fed is looking to stop pumping incredible amounts of money into treasuries:

Fed expected to stop buying Treasurys after program expires
Early recovery in housing, mortgage markets takes away urgency, analysts say

The Federal Reserve will probably allow its $300 billion Treasury-buying program to end over the next six weeks as signs of a housing recovery prompt the central bank to unwind one its most aggressive and unusual interventions into financial markets, big bond dealers say.
With the Fed no longer a constant, large buyer of Treasury notes and bonds, benchmark yields and mortgage rates will likely rise. But that threat isn't expected to prompt policymakers, some of whom have expressed increasing alarm over the prospects of higher inflation from the Fed's ultra-loose monetary policy, to extend the program.

The net effect of this policy was to hold the short term part of the yield curve artificially low. When they stop doing that. look for rates to jump a bit. If you are holding treasuries when that happens, their market value in the secondary market will drop.

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debutaunt Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:48:23pm

re: #139 avanti

What's that new Burrito chain I just tried last week, yum. You pick your own fillings, and Burritos are about all that's on the menu.

Is there a burrito restaurant where you take their choice of fillings? Surprise me tortillas?

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avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:48:39pm

re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth

I am afraid that is the truth. Are you sitting down? I have another bombshell to drop on you...

Despite enormous recording sales, Brittney Spears has never been the finest voice in music.

/crap sells

When I was in the stereo business, most all of our demo music was from unattractive, female vocalists that had a set of pipes to die for, but you may never have heard of them.

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Kenneth Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:49:31pm

re: #151 Dianna

It's funny how the fact the US agency, FEMA, has portable mortuaries, is considered "proof" by the infowars idiots of the gov't plans to exterminate 90% of the world population.

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3 wood Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:50:09pm

re: #145 avanti

BTW, since you play the market, do you gamble at casino's at all ?

No.

I did my thesis on odds of winning at various legal games of chance. I know what the odds are.

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avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:50:13pm

re: #152 3 wood

The Fed is looking to stop pumping incredible amounts of money into treasuries:

Fed expected to stop buying Treasurys after program expires
Early recovery in housing, mortgage markets takes away urgency, analysts say

My dream is that they may not spend all the stimulus money that is not yet in the pipeline. (note, I said dream)

The net effect of this policy was to hold the short term part of the yield curve artificially low. When they stop doing that. look for rates to jump a bit. If you are holding treasuries when that happens, their market value in the secondary market will drop.

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avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:51:36pm

re: #156 3 wood

No.

I did my thesis on odds of winning at various legal games of chance. I know what the odds are.

Than you'll approve of my choice of Blackjack. Perhaps, with that background, you could have been a card counter. :)

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John Neverbend Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:51:40pm

re: #73 Locker

Is it like the "N" word in the sense that if you are Jewish you can use it and it's fine but if you aren't Jewish and you use it then the connotation is negative?

Not as far as I'm aware. Not all Zionists are Jewish, and the word can be used by both Jews and non-Jews in a sense that is not pejorative. Having said that, the chances are that given the number of people who waste their precious time fulminating against Zionism, the majority of occurrences on the internet are pejorative.

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John Neverbend Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:53:54pm

re: #158 avanti

Than you'll approve of my choice of Blackjack. Perhaps, with that background, you could have been a card counter. :)

I tried that. It's too much like hard work, particularly when the dealer starts with a semi-infinite number of decks and shuffles every few hands. It was fun reading about it. I think that's where counters actually make the most money, by writing and selling books about it (for example, Stanford Wong).

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avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:55:27pm

re: #160 John Neverbend

I tried that. It's too much like hard work, particularly when the dealer starts with a semi-infinite number of decks and shuffles every few hands. It was fun reading about it. I think that's where counters actually make the most money, by writing and selling books about it (for example, Stanford Wong).

The MIT crew made a fortune, but you'd need a organized team like that to hit it big.

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avanti Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:56:29pm

re: #153 debutaunt

Is there a burrito restaurant where you take their choice of fillings? Surprise me tortillas?

It came to me, it's Chipotle, great fast food.

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3 wood Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:58:11pm

re: #158 avanti

Than you'll approve of my choice of Blackjack. Perhaps, with that background, you could have been a card counter. :)

When I played with my buddies, it wasn't a contest. it was like shooting fish in a barrel. So for the sake of friendship I just volunteered to be the dealer all the time.

But as you know, card counting will get you in a whole world of hurt at a casino.

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3 wood Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:59:29pm

re: #158 avanti

Than you'll approve of my choice of Blackjack.

Depends on what you mean by approve. Fun yes. But the best odds by far of actually winning is going to the horses, if you know how to handicap them.

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John Neverbend Mon, Aug 10, 2009 2:02:39pm

re: #161 avanti

The MIT crew made a fortune, but you'd need a organized team like that to hit it big.

Either that or be there right at the beginning when counting was first invented. Did you read Edward Thorpe's little book?

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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 10, 2009 2:12:29pm

Probably someone already said this, but if there were to be a plague-like, high-mortality flu pandemic, all of those things would be necessary and prudent as a matter of public-health response to unusually high mortality.

So what it this bozo's point?

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Locker Mon, Aug 10, 2009 2:16:42pm

re: #159 John Neverbend

Not as far as I'm aware. Not all Zionists are Jewish, and the word can be used by both Jews and non-Jews in a sense that is not pejorative. Having said that, the chances are that given the number of people who waste their precious time fulminating against Zionism, the majority of occurrences on the internet are pejorative.

Thank you, John, for your insight. I've done a bit of reading since my question and I have a further question, based on the following definition:

Zionism - Dictionary.com

n. A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

This definition seems fairly straightforward. When I browse the web, however, I find that when the term is used there is either a direct or implied "hawkishness" (aggressive, warlike, etc) embedded in the context.

Is this hawkishness generally accepted or simply advanced by opponents?

Thanks again for your help and insight.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 10, 2009 2:27:33pm

re: #166 Cato the Elder

Probably someone already said this, but if there were to be a plague-like, high-mortality flu pandemic, all of those things would be necessary and prudent as a matter of public-health response to unusually high mortality.

So what it this bozo's point?

Cato, in the event of a high-mortality flu pandemic, the LAST thing we need is big-government interference. The free market will take care of twenty-four hour cremations and express funerals. Americans can dig our own mass graves without the nanny state telling us how!

//I guess, that's all I can think of...

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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 10, 2009 2:27:38pm

re: #166 Cato the Elder

Probably someone already said this, but if there were to be a plague-like, high-mortality flu pandemic, all of those things would be necessary and prudent as a matter of public-health response to unusually high mortality.

So what it this bozo's point?

Alex Jones' point would be the tacit claim that governments are preparing to exercise such authority even though the H1N1 virus has shown no particular signs of being a grave threat to public health.

At the rate things are going, this will be just another flu, and it will kill people, as any illness can, but not in huge numbers. And then it will all blow over. And governments will preoccupy themselves will collecting taxes, trading cash for clunkers, arguing over redistricting, and so forth.

If, against current expectations, the thing turns seriously nasty and the death toll mounts into the millions, tens of millions, or hundreds of millions, public health measures might have to be backed up by the military.

Who wants to stay quarantined in a plague zone? But unless bridges are guarded and closed, etc., quarantines don't work. Harsh measures might be necessary to keep the toll from rising into the billions. One of the points of having a government is so that when push comes to shove, society has a way to defend itself against plague.

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Red Pencil Mon, Aug 10, 2009 2:29:42pm

re: #73 Locker

Not being familiar with Kurt Nimmo I did as suggested and google him for evidence of a "far left nutjob" and "antisemitic writing". I saw some entries where the word Zionist is used frequently.

Not being in the loop I'm wondering about this word. Is it like the "N" word in the sense that if you are Jewish you can use it and it's fine but if you aren't Jewish and you use it then the connotation is negative?

Just curious as to the prevailing opinion.

Look up the word "Zionist" in its dictionary definition. It means someone who advocates the creation (or since 1948 preservation) of a Jewish state. Many Zionists aren't Jewish. If the word "Zionist" used to describe someone who believes Israel should continue to exist as a Jewish state, it is simply descriptive. It is often used that way here on LGF, in case you have missed that.

If it's used like it's used on Nimmo's site (and a few college campuses), context shows it means Palestinian-baby-killing war-mongering-world-controlling, the connotation goes well beyond merely "negative". It is anti-Semitic plain and simple. It is hard to look at Nimmo's page and not notice what HE means by "Zionist".

This word usage has nothing to do with whether you are Jewish or not. Jews who proclaim themselves "anti-Zionist" are as guilty as anyone else who claims that title. (Of ignorance, at best.) Since 1948, to proclaim yourself an "anti-Zionist" means that you wish the existing Jewish state to be destroyed, or at least "erased from the pages of time".

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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 10, 2009 2:33:33pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

Cato, in the event of a high-mortality flu pandemic, the LAST thing we need is big-government interference. The free market will take care of twenty-four hour cremations and express funerals. Americans can dig our own mass graves without the nanny state telling us how!

//I guess, that's all I can think of...

Oh, jeepers, thanks, I needed a good laugh after that last thread. I'm so glad someone around here gets the absurdity of all the bosh being talked these days... ;^)

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Locker Mon, Aug 10, 2009 2:34:13pm

re: #170 Red Pencil

This word usage has nothing to do with whether you are Jewish or not. Jews who proclaim themselves "anti-Zionist" are as guilty as anyone else who claims that title. (Of ignorance, at best.) Since 1948, to proclaim yourself an "anti-Zionist" means that you wish the existing Jewish state to be destroyed, or at least "erased from the pages of time".

Thank you sir. I did look up the definition after some insight from another user. From your quote above I am instantly curious as to why a Jewish person would be "anti-Zionist". Sounds like having your own state would be a pretty good thing. I'm sure there are reasons and yes I'm already on google. Just dumping my brain.

Thanks again.

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EaterOfFood Mon, Aug 10, 2009 2:47:27pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Fox news has become a parody of themselves. Troofers are not now, never were, and never will be credible sources of information. Shame on Fox news.

What do you expect of Rupert Murdoch? He's a businessman, and he'll put on whatever sells. Crazy and stupid sells. His broadcast network is the home of Homer Simpson.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 10, 2009 3:13:41pm

(In late, throwing up on the floor after reading the Fox article, and leaving)

This is lemming city ... straight off the cliff.
Have a nice time on the way down, Fox.
Enjoy the company.
heh

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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 10, 2009 3:21:20pm

I do not agree with people about FOX news (cable)--I listen to it regularly because they have breaking news all the time, and I'm a bit of a news junkie. When I looked at the link here, I see that it goes to the Fox website, rather than to anyone on cable television, itself, so I decided to contact Fox cable news, supplying a link to the Michel Chossudovsky's website. Who knows, this writer may be slipping something under the radar--they're busy over there--I know what it's like to work in a busy newsroom--not THAT busy, but still very busy. If no producer or fact-checker has completely vetted this article (who knows why, though that's not a good enough excuse to me), then someone needs to do it asap. Fox people really need to be confronted with this information. Now I'm waiting to to see what their response --if any--will be. if no response is forthcoming, I will write a letter--you know the REAL kind--pen and ink--that usually gets a response from the recipient.

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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 10, 2009 3:26:54pm

I didn't look at all the people in the article, by the way. I thought Michel was enough, but it should be enough to ring someone's bells over at Fox. By the way, Rupert Murdoch is a businessman? I know--aren't all publishers business men or women? Why is that appellation such a pejorative? These are only rhetorical questions.

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LeslieG Mon, Aug 10, 2009 5:05:00pm

The increasingly heavy-handed and authoritarian practices of the Obama administration are starting to catch the attention of the MSM, even if these practices remain unmentionable on Left-wing blogs.

See: Obama’s Authoritarian Style.

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American Sabra Mon, Aug 10, 2009 8:25:50pm

re: #172 Locker

Thank you sir. I did look up the definition after some insight from another user. From your quote above I am instantly curious as to why a Jewish person would be "anti-Zionist". Sounds like having your own state would be a pretty good thing. I'm sure there are reasons and yes I'm already on google. Just dumping my brain.

Thanks again.

Hi Locker. If you're still reading...

I have a slight problem with the definition you found (not your fault, of course!)

n. A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

It's not to reestablish "a" Jewish homeland. It is to reestablish THE Jewish homeland in the State of Israel. Israel is and has always been the Jewish homeland since Abraham, some 3800 years ago. The statement above has an implication the Jews took something that wasn't theirs.

The Jewish Virtual Library is a great primer for all things Jewish.

Zionism, the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel, advocated, from its inception, tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions, left and right, religious and secular, joined to form the Zionist movement and worked together toward these goals. Disagreements led to rifts, but ultimately, the common goal of a Jewish state in its ancient homeland was attained. The term “Zionism” was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.

You may want to check this out too. It's a discussion of Zionism and Racism.

Also please read about Theodore Herzl, the Father of Zionism.

Personally, I don't think gentiles can be Zionists. I know some claim to be. They can, however, support Zionism for the Jewish people and that's a great thing.

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