Obama’s Deal with Big Pharm

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Big politics meets big pharmaceuticals in the shiny new land of Hopenchange: Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma.

A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.

The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

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1 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:14:15pm

And in other news ...Water is STILL wet!

2 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:14:19pm
3 Kragar  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:15:02pm

HuffPo found it? There goes the front row seats!

4 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:15:10pm

It's starting to look like a pretty worthless exercise.

5 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:15:35pm

Witch means they will never allow
Sheep Stem Cell Research!!!
No money in it big Pharm... Fuck 'em!

6 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:15:40pm

Transparency? What's that?

And Bush/Cheney were raked over the coals for not revealing the names of the execs in a white house energy meeting.

7 Syrah  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:15:58pm

What can be given can also be taken away.

8 duck of peace  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:16:07pm

who gets to be thrown under the bus for this one? Or this another Teachable Moment (tm)

9 arethusa  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:16:36pm

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Is this what they mean when they say someone has "bought the Pharm?"

afPHARMative...

10 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:17:21pm

re: #6 eschew_obfuscation

Transparency? What's that?

And Bush/Cheney were raked over the coals for not revealing the names of the execs in a white house energy meeting.

That's different... sort of.
/

11 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:17:49pm

re: #10 Walter L. Newton

Opaque is the new transparent.
/

12 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:17:51pm

Big Pharm is hoping to be eaten last.

13 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:17:52pm

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Kommen Sie hier! Kicken Sie Ass."

14 ladycatnip  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:18:25pm

Say it isn't so, Obi-Won. Your party would never sell out to the evil, for-profit pharmaceutical companies. What would Pelosi say about that!

15 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:18:29pm

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Is this what they mean when they say someone has "bought the Pharm?"

The Pharm bought the One in the White House.

16 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:18:38pm

re: #12 doppelganglander

No. They don't want any upity ankle bitters (i.e. new, now small, businesses) to dethrone them.

17 Kragar  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:18:45pm

Can't wait to hear Gibbs on this?

Ummm..uh.well, um...uh

18 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:19:21pm

re: #16 Dan G.

No. They don't want any upity ankle bitters (i.e. new, now small, businesses) to dethrone them.

Can't it be both?

19 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:19:24pm

Busted!

20 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:19:30pm

That kind of news will kill the bill faster than any death panel.

21 KingKenrod  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:19:32pm

Irony Alert!

Contract for creation of transparency website "Recovery.gov" heavily redacted in FOIA request:

Obama Administration Redacts Contract Details for Recovery.gov

You could reasonable expect some security details to be redacted.

But this is page after page after page...

22 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:19:34pm

re: #12 doppelganglander

Big Pharm is hoping to be eaten last.

That's what Matrix said to Sully. Look where it got him.

/commando

23 Baier  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:19:42pm

Chicago is my kind of town!///

24 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:20:05pm

Sort of on topic: I didn't get around to this because work called, but meant to mention in the Palin thread:
Grasley is hitting hard and direct here where it matters, right at Pelosi:

"

The bill passed by the House committees is so poorly cobbled together that it will have all kinds of unintended consequences, including making taxpayers fund healthcare subsidies for illegal immigrants," Grassley said. The veteran Iowa lawmaker said the end-of-life provision in those bills would pay physicians to "advise patients about end-of-life care and rate physician quality of care based on the creation of and adherence to orders for end-of-life care.

"Maybe others can defend a bill like the Pelosi bill that leaves major issues open to interpretation, but I can't," Grassley added.

25 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:20:18pm

re: #18 doppelganglander

It could, but all of what I've seen/experienced to date favors protection from competition.

26 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:20:20pm

Most interesting. Even more interesting (and more damning) is the fact that this was first brought out in HuffPo.

27 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:20:20pm

How badly will this affect R&D?

28 Dreader1962  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:21:05pm

It looks like the ACLU isn't happy with the HopeAndChange Admin:

Big Brother has cookies!

I thought Bush was the one who spied on Americans.

Also, how much of the hated Patriot Act has been dismantled?

...and we're still fighting two wars, right?

29 CaptObviousman  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:21:08pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

That kind of news will kill the bill faster than any death panel.

Just wait until the left's spin doctors get to this. It'll be "Just Another Right-Wing Conspiracy by the nutters we already told you to ignore. Why aren't you ignoring them yet, are you ignorant too?!?"

30 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:21:15pm

OT - another good one from the Onion News Network:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

31 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:21:15pm
32 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:21:34pm

I found this story in the LA Times, and it's dated Aug. 4th, 2009. What's up? I didn't see this in any major media, or did I miss something.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

33 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:21:35pm

re: #27 MandyManners

How badly will this affect R&D?

Will there be any profits to plow back?

34 Syrah  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:21:51pm

When you take the devil's coin, you will end up dancing to the devil's tune.

35 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:21:58pm

Re Big Pharma:

Can you say "CULTURE OF CORRUPTION!"

36 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:22:06pm

I thought HuffPo were Obama cheerleaders? Or were they in the Hillary camp and waiting for a time to strike?

37 spudly  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:22:19pm

re: #26 Honorary Yooper

Most interesting. Even more interesting (and more damning) is the fact that this was first brought out in HuffPo.

If there's one thing we know huffpo hates, it's big pharma and their ruthless attacks on children with vaccinations!

38 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:22:30pm

What was Cheneys link with Haliburton again??

39 opnion  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:22:51pm

During the Hillarycare debate there was confusion about why the top five health insurers supported her..
Then it became clear what a lot of people suspected, particularly by insurer number six (John Hancock) on down.
For their support they got a deal that the nation would be divided into five regional HIPIC's.
Each of the five would get a Region & all marketing & sales expenses would be eliminated. Sweet!

40 KingKenrod  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:23:09pm

Big Pharma are idiots.

Obama just needs to get his foot in the door like an encyclopedia salesmen. He can promise anything to get that accomplished. Eventually Big Pharma will be sent a bill just like the rest of us.

41 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:23:13pm

re: #37 spudly

If there's one thing we know huffpo hates, it's big pharma and their ruthless attacks on children with vaccinations!

Maybe that's the achilles heel on this. Let the moronic convergence fight commence!

42 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:23:28pm

re: #37 spudly

If there's one thing we know huffpo hates, it's big pharma and their ruthless attacks on children with vaccinations!

One other caution as well -- there's anti-pharma sentiment at the Discovery Institute as well.

43 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:23:45pm

Sleazy dealings by the pharmaceutical industry are naturally music to the ears of quack medicine purveyors, antivax propagandists, and other health care charlatans.
Thanks Bambi and industry scuzzballs.

Btw, as any visit to a creationist website will reveal, the antiscience quack industry is now so large it should have its own pejorative nickname. I suggest "Big Snake Oil."

44 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:23:49pm

Channeling Newt...

"They bargained with the Administration because they wanted a seat at the table - not realizing they were going to be LUNCH!"

45 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:23:52pm

The MSM(and not so MS) worm is turning...
Jon Stewart accuses Obama of 'sh-tting on the Post Office '. Yeah, he's laughing, but there's an edge to it now...
[Link: www.politico.com...] (about a fifteen second lead in first)
The cognitive dissonance around the flat screens in faculty lounges everywhere must be disturbing...

46 jaunte  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:24:10pm

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

47 arethusa  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:24:10pm

re: #36 CyanSnowHawk

I thought HuffPo were Obama cheerleaders? Or were they in the Hillary camp and waiting for a time to strike?

Or they don't think he's being hopey-changey enough.

48 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:24:10pm

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

There's a little plastic Congress
There's a nation you can buy...

--Frank Zappa, "Uncle Bernie's Pharm"

Don't forget these lyrics
There's a doll that looks like daddy a lobbyist
(He's a funny little man...
[ Find more Lyrics on [Link: www.mp3lyrics.org...] ]
Push a button 'n ask fo money:
There's a dollar in his hand!) (Check his wallet)

49 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:24:25pm

Down with Big Pill!

50 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:24:33pm

re: #42 Thanos

One other caution as well -- there's anti-pharma sentiment at the Discovery Institute as well.

Very true. It's a point of moronic convergence between the moonbats of the far right and far left.

51 opnion  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:24:39pm

That Obama is just another crooked Chicago pol should come as no surprise.

52 Baier  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:25:02pm

re: #35 Thanos

Re Big Pharma:

Can you say "CULTURE OF CORRUPTION!"

You can't expect a company with fiduciary responsibilities to take political stand when they have this much skin in the game. I don't think Pharma is corrupt, I think the politicians are.

53 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:25:07pm

Does Big Pharma understand that Obama doesnt have to keep his word??

they could be left holding the steaming bag and treated no better than Bondholders by the administartion...and no one would say a word

54 Buster  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:25:08pm

All hail transparency!

55 Dianna  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:25:31pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

That kind of news will kill the bill faster than any death panel.

And this is a good thing.

56 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:25:51pm

re: #35 Thanos

Re Big Pharma:

Can you say "CULTURE OF CORRUPTION!"

Welcome to Cook County, Washington, DC.

57 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:25:55pm

Big Pharm stopped being the enemy as soon as Mrs Gump started doing Boniva commercials.

58 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:26:09pm

re: #37 spudly

You know, the president of Costa Rica is down with the H1N1. Probably half of HuffPo is headed his way for a swine flu immunity bash.

59 Nene1  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:26:14pm

OT -

Scottish Courts considering releasing Lockerbie Bomber on 'Compassionate Grounds'

Get my my violin.
WTF is it with 'compassion' for the evil on the Left ?

60 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:26:15pm

Big Pharma probably likes it that Obama would rather be giving people "The Pain Pill" instead of an operation...

61 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:26:28pm

re: #27 MandyManners

How badly will this affect R&D?

Who needs R&D?

Elect (D)s and Christopher Reeve will walk.
Elect (D)s and Jack Kemp wouldn't have died.

62 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:26:28pm

re: #27 MandyManners

How badly will this affect R&D?

Do you remember what happened to R&D in Atlas Shrugged? Probably not that bad, but close.

63 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:26:40pm

Whose going to pay attention to those right wing nuts at Huffpo, anyway?

64 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:26:43pm

good, now the next question is how did BO buy off the tort lawyers?

65 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:26:43pm

re: #59 Nene1
Yes one more Haggis and the guy says hes gonna be ill.

66 Baier  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:26:56pm

If you think big pharma is bad and you are against socialized medicine, you are a walking contradiction.

67 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:27:00pm

Once again, reality proves to be much worse than anything people can make up or exaggerate.

68 Macker  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:27:04pm

re: #59 Nene1

Can we apply "No True Scotsman" here?

69 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:27:08pm

re: #59 Nene1

OT -

Scottish Courts considering releasing Lockerbie Bomber on 'Compassionate Grounds'

Get my my violin.
WTF is it with 'compassion' for the evil on the Left ?

If they want to release him, OK, as long as it is 15,000 ft in the air and no parachute.

70 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:27:17pm
71 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:27:17pm

It's not the problem of Big Pharm--it's the problem for BHO. He's the one who's been selectively vilifying industries so as to serve his goals. Now, he's actually in league with one of satan's imps.

The gild is coming off the lily.

72 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:27:45pm

re: #67 VioletTiger

Once again, reality proves to be much worse than anything people can make up or exaggerate.

I've asked this question all week...

73 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:27:51pm

Now after that has been revealed today about this health care proposal and the deceptions revolving around this health care proposal, raise you hands if you want to see the proposals in this 1017 page document to pass.

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.
.
.
.

No hands.

74 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:28:01pm

re: #68 Macker

I already did this morning on another thread.

75 MJ  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:28:02pm

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can't wait to hear Gibbs on this?

Ummm..uh.well, um...uh

Q The PhRMA deal. There's been some confusion I think about what exactly the White House has agreed to with Big Pharma, what they've not agreed to. Could you clarify what it is exactly that the White House signed off on, whether or not you feel that the Senate Finance Committee and Senator Baucus were up front with you guys about what he agreed to? And also, do you think that this was done, whatever deal this was, was this done in keeping with the transparency that then-candidate Obama promised?

MR. GIBBS: Yes, well, we had a little -- let me take the last part of that. I think the question a few days ago, something similar to this, which is we discussed bringing people to the table. We discussed making sure that stakeholders that are involved in health care are part of an agreement. Look, you can't -- you're not going to get health care legislation without involving the hospitals, without involving those that provide medications, without talking to groups that represent doctors or patients or seniors, nurses, what have you.

And we've talked a little bit about the PhRMA deal. You know, the Finance Committee and PhRMA agreed to $80 billion in cost savings, part of which goes to fill the doughnut hole for seniors as part of Medicare Part D, which I think we all know is at a certain point coverage for the purchase of those drugs stops until you basically reach a catastrophic level and the coverage kicks back in. Then some of the -- some of that additional savings would be used for health care.

Q But the question is what the White House agreed to, bypassing most members of Congress? Did you agree to oppose importation of drugs? Did you agree to oppose rebates in Medicare Part D? Did you oppose a repeal of noninterference and oppose the opening of Medicare Part B? That is what some lobbyists are saying the White House has agreed to.

MR. GIBBS: Yes, and I think the same article that denotes that has denials from both PhRMA and us on that.

Q But PhRMA said -- PhRMA said that the deal was $80 billion, that's it, no more, they can't give any more. Yet in Portsmouth, the President said that maybe you could get more.

MR. GIBBS: Well, maybe you could get more savings as a result of health care reform. I do not believe that the President meant we could take an $80 billion agreement and make it $95 billion. I've been fairly clear on that from here. I think as a result of the change in health care, you can see health care costs and drug costs driven down. That's not to say we were reopening it.

Q So just to be clear, you're denying that the --

MR. GIBBS: I'm denying the --

Q -- administration agreed to any of those things that I just listed?

MR. GIBBS: I am denying that the -- I'm reissuing the denial that I think is in the story that you're referring to, on our behalf and on PhRMA's behalf.


[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

76 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:28:03pm

re: #60 quiet man

Big Pharma probably likes it that Obama would rather be giving people "The Pain Pill" instead of an operation...

But the ones Obama gives you don't do anything at all.

77 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:28:07pm

Rahm p[ressured Big Phgarma...if they didnt pull the forelock, Nancy was going to call them "bad"

78 jaunte  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:28:07pm

re: #59 Nene1

OT -

Scottish Courts considering releasing Lockerbie Bomber on 'Compassionate Grounds'

Get my my violin.
WTF is it with 'compassion' for the evil on the Left ?

I think he's used up his quota.

79 babes  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:28:16pm

Now this is getting good!

80 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:28:18pm

re: #64 albusteve

good, now the next question is how did BO buy off the tort lawyers?

No tort reform as part of health care.
When they sue, they've got the "deepest pockets" of all to go after.

81 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:28:26pm

re: #59 Nene1

OT -

Scottish Courts considering releasing Lockerbie Bomber on 'Compassionate Grounds'

Get my my violin.
WTF is it with 'compassion' for the evil on the Left ?

He should receive the same compassion he gave the passengers and crew of Flight 103. No more, no less.

82 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:28:30pm

re: #16 Dan G.

No, they use fake ' randomly selected 'ankle biters whose Moms just happen to be Obama campaign mainstays to ask him his softballs, as in NH.

83 Dianna  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:28:38pm

re: #66 Baier

If you think big pharma is bad and you are against socialized medicine, you are a walking contradiction.

And this is a new and different thing, how?

84 Macker  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:28:47pm

re: #76 Kosh's Shadow

But the ones Obama gives you don't do anything at all.

Go axe Michelle...when she's ten feet tall!

85 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:28:50pm

re: #76 Kosh's Shadow

re: #60 quiet man


But the ones Obama gives you don't do anything at all.


wow..so true..and I thought he hated profit!

86 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:29:13pm

My question: Who leaked this memo from an administration that doesn't seem to accidentally leak stuff; why?

87 eon  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:29:24pm

re: #51 opnion

That Obama is just another crooked Chicago pol should come as no surprise.

Yes, but he's a crooked Chicago pol with dreams of being something bigger. That's the difference.

On the plus side, since the post of Eternal Ruler of the Universe (which he is apparently convinced is his "true destiny") isn't likely to be available in the foreseeable future, his efforts to attain it will not only come to naught, at some point they will convince even his supporters that, as was once said of a certain Hollywood star, "there's no 'there', there."

///I think, mostly, at least

cheers

eon

88 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:29:27pm
89 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:29:29pm

re: #80 jcm

No tort reform as part of health care.
When they sue, they've got the "deepest pockets" of all to go after.

"assets"

90 lincolntf  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:29:36pm

I read the thing and still can't believe they actually put all that in a memo.

These dopes were supposed to be good at corruption and yet they still forgot the Golden Rule: Never write when you can speak, never speak when you can nod, never nod when you can wink...

91 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:29:36pm

Notice that a major substantive negative report on the health care bill, with evidence, comes from the left.

The right is too busy ranting about euthanasia.

92 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:29:51pm

re: #84 Macker

re: #76 Kosh's Shadow


Go axe Michelle...when she's ten feet tall!


those pants she wore to France made her legs look that long.
I'll ask alice, I think she'll know

93 Nene1  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:29:55pm

re: #68 Macker
I AM a true Scotsman.
I am thoroughly sickened by this perverse decision.
All Americans should be too.

94 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:30:11pm

There seems to be a total disconnect between the article and the comments section over there.

Not many buying it.

They need the memo the throb.

95 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:30:18pm

re: #62 CyanSnowHawk

Atlas Shrugged is being remade, btw, rumor is that Charlize Theron is being cast as Dagny Taggart. Scheduled release in '11.
Not sure how I feel about that one.

96 Baier  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:30:28pm

re: #91 Charles

Notice that a major substantive negative report on the health care bill, with evidence, comes from the left.

The right is too busy ranting about euthanasia.

I'm too angry to understand///

97 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:30:45pm

re: #91 Charles

Notice that a major substantive negative report on the health care bill, with evidence, comes from the left.

The right is too busy ranting about euthanasia.

Very true, but use a bit of caution. The HuffPo has been known for promoting anti-vaxers in the recent past.

98 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:30:53pm

People are upset already.

CAPE CORAL, Fla. — Authorities say a patient at a Cape Coral doctor's office bit part of the doctor's finger off after being denied a prescription.

Cape Coral police report that 45-year-old Gregory S. Powell went to see Dr. Paul Arnold Wednesday morning, and Powell became upset about not receiving prescription medication. Police say Arnold turned his back and Powell attacked the doctor. Powell reportedly bit Arnold several times, taking off the doctor's finger tip with one bite.

The finger tip was recovered at the scene and Arnold was taken to a nearby hospital.

Police have put out a warrant for Powell's arrest on a charge of aggravated battery.

99 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:30:57pm

re: #89 albusteve

"assets"

Your ass, and my ass... ets.

100 Dreader1962  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:31:37pm

re: #95 tradewind

Atlas Shrugged is being remade, btw, rumor is that Charlize Theron is being cast as Dagny Taggart. Scheduled release in '11.
Not sure how I feel about that one.

I think you mean made, not remade; there was never a movie release of Atlas Shrugged.

101 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:32:32pm

re: #86 keithgabryelski

If TOTUS' administration is hit by one really inside leaker, the baby will drain out with the bath water.

102 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:32:33pm

re: #98 doppelganglander

People are upset already.

CAPE CORAL, Fla. — Authorities say a patient at a Cape Coral doctor's office bit part of the doctor's finger off after being denied a prescription.


He was upset because he had the woman all ready but no viagra.
///

103 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:32:34pm

re: #95 tradewind

Atlas Shrugged is being remade, btw, rumor is that Charlize Theron is being cast as Dagny Taggart. Scheduled release in '11.
Not sure how I feel about that one.

Any bets on it comes out as an anti-corporation screed?

104 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:33:02pm

re: #91 Charles

And I don't get it. There are plenty of substantive issues to choose from, again, just as with the campaign, the wingnuts focus on ridiculously absurd and easily debunked crap.

105 Buster  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:33:19pm

re: #80 jcm

No tort reform as part of health care.
When they sue, they've got the "deepest pockets" of all to go after.

They will also get to deduct expenses as they are incurred and not have to wait until a case is settled and they see income.

106 jaunte  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:33:26pm

Robert Reich, (who may have missed a few lobbyists buzzing around Washington).
The White House deal with Big Pharma undermines democracy
...

I don't want to be puritanical about all this. Politics is a rough game in which means and ends often get mixed and melded. Perhaps the White House deal with Big Pharma is a necessary step to get anything resembling universal health insurance. But if that's the case, our democracy is in terrible shape. How soon until big industries and their Washington lobbyists have become so politically powerful that secret White House-industry deals like this are prerequisites to any important legislation? When will it become standard practice that such deals come with hundreds of millions of dollars of industry-sponsored TV advertising designed to persuade the public that the legislation is in the public's interest? (Any Democrats and progressives who might be reading this should ask themselves how they'll feel when a Republican White House cuts such deals to advance its own legislative priorities.)

We're on a precarious road -- and wherever it leads, it's not toward democracy. [Link: www.salon.com...]

107 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:33:33pm

re: #95 tradewind

I think she already backed out.

108 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:33:46pm

re: #105 Buster

What are you talking about?

109 lobo91  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:33:48pm

re: #103 jcm

Any bets on it comes out as an anti-corporation screed?

Thinking along the lines of what they did to "The Sum of All Fears"?

110 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:33:56pm
111 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:34:00pm

re: #102 Kosh's Shadow

He was upset because he had the woman all ready but no viagra.
///

Or the other way around.

4 hours.

112 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:34:12pm

re: #101 tradewind

If TOTUS' administration is hit by one really inside leaker, the baby will drain out with the bath water.

...and if the pissing contest between CIA and congress/Obama doesn't end soon, I could see some interesting leaks coming this way.

113 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:34:15pm

re: #95 tradewind

Atlas Shrugged is being remade, btw, rumor is that Charlize Theron is being cast as Dagny Taggart. Scheduled release in '11.
Not sure how I feel about that one.

I heard the announcement just as I started to read it. It would be a tough translation to film. I saw that Angelina Jolie was attached to the project and the speculation was her as Dagny at the time. I'd have to see it just to see how they try to pull it off.

114 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:34:16pm

re: #86 keithgabryelski

My question: Who leaked this memo from an administration that doesn't seem to accidentally leak stuff; why?

Worried that you may not get your socialist health care system now?

And let me come clean here. I can't afford health care insurance of any sort. I would be one of those who would benefit greatly from a government sponsored health care system. I'm 56, under-employed, can't find work in my professional field anymore, I fit the whole profile of someone who Obama would "love" to help.

I don't want one ounce of help from a government sponsored health care plan. That concept is so far removed from the ideological foundations of this country that's it's frightening.

115 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:34:27pm

re: #95 tradewind

Atlas Shrugged is being remade, btw, rumor is that Charlize Theron is being cast as Dagny Taggart. Scheduled release in '11.
Not sure how I feel about that one.

I would be very surprised if the entire meaning of the story is not turned inside out by Hollywood to either support collectivism or to viciously parody capitalism. Anyone who read Starship Troopers and then saw the movie can see what Hollywood can do to socioeconomic or political messages they don't like.

116 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:34:29pm

If Huffpo thinks Obama is lying..

or maybe Huffpo is getting a bit smarter

Either way, it is an interesting thing

117 MJ  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:34:43pm

re: #75 MJ

Q But the question is what the White House agreed to, bypassing most members of Congress? Did you agree to oppose importation of drugs? Did you agree to oppose rebates in Medicare Part D? Did you oppose a repeal of noninterference and oppose the opening of Medicare Part B? That is what some lobbyists are saying the White House has agreed to.

MR. GIBBS: Yes, and I think the same article that denotes that has denials from both PhRMA and us on that.


Huff Post:

It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada -

Someone is lying.

118 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:34:48pm

re: #100 Dreader1962

/Don't make me go all Galt on you/.
I guess I was thinking of the many false starts/attempts, but you are quite right.

119 Dreader1962  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:34:49pm

re: #103 jcm

Any bets on it comes out as an anti-corporation screed?

I just looked at IMDB - the screenplay is being adapted by James V. Hart - he's the one that did Sahara, which was pretty bad. The rest of his screenplay credits are pretty odd - 'Hook', some Muppet movies, a Lara Croft movie (which had great casting and effects, but awful stories).

120 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:35:14pm

re: #109 lobo91

Thinking along the lines of what they did to "The Sum of All Fears"?

Yep... Atlas Shrugged would need a mini-series anyway.

121 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:35:16pm

re: #102 Kosh's Shadow
In all fairness...it fails to state what the drug was that he denied!
This dude may have been wanting Oxi for all we know!

122 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:35:20pm

re: #117 MJ

Someone is lying.


OMG.

There is a right wing mole in da house.

123 opnion  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:35:23pm

re: #87 eon

Yes, but he's a crooked Chicago pol with dreams of being something bigger. That's the difference.

On the plus side, since the post of Eternal Ruler of the Universe (which he is apparently convinced is his "true destiny") isn't likely to be available in the foreseeable future, his efforts to attain it will not only come to naught, at some point they will convince even his supporters that, as was once said of a certain Hollywood star, "there's no 'there', there."

///I think, mostly, at least

cheers

eon


Hi eon, good post & so true.

124 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:35:49pm

re: #115 ArchangelMichael

re: #95 tradewind


I would be very surprised if the entire meaning of the story is not turned inside out by Hollywood to either support collectivism or to viciously parody capitalism. Anyone who read Starship Troopers and then saw the movie can see what Hollywood can do to socioeconomic or political messages they don't like.

Speilberg will be the producer director..knowing hollywood.

djk: Atlas shrugged is the greatest seller in the world besides the bible..

125 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:35:51pm

He's gonna spread happiness ... he's gonna spread freeedom ...

/who is surprised at this ... who? ...

126 CaptObviousman  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:35:54pm

re: #113 CyanSnowHawk

I heard the announcement just as I started to read it. It would be a tough translation to film. I saw that Angelina Jolie was attached to the project and the speculation was her as Dagny at the time. I'd have to see it just to see how they try to pull it off.

They'd have to ugly her up a little bit, rein in those famously pouty lips. Dagny always seemed to have a mannish beauty to her. Kinda like Jamie Lee Curtis.

127 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:36:03pm

re: #103 jcm

I'd bet you double or nothing that it took on more of an anarchist/libertarian bent.

128 Dreader1962  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:36:39pm

re: #120 jcm

Yep... Atlas Shrugged would need a mini-series anyway.

The ideal situation would be for HBO to do it, spanning one season with 13 episodes or so.

129 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:36:43pm

re: #126 CaptObviousman

Hilary Swank would be a good fit.

130 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:36:52pm

re: #120 jcm

Yep... Atlas Shrugged would need a mini-series anyway.

I always thought that would be the only way, but it's really best in book form.

131 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:36:57pm

re: #128 Dreader1962

I agree.

132 eon  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:37:01pm

re: #91 Charles

Notice that a major substantive negative report on the health care bill, with evidence, comes from the left.

The right is too busy ranting about euthanasia.

True, Sir. Over at Salon, Robert Reich was raking the President over the coals for this on Monday, and Camille Paglia was taking him to task for ObamaCare in general, which she considers too big, too complex, too intrusive, and ultimately too much like other foreign nations' national health care systems which have already failed miserably.

She still supports his "enlightened" foreign policy, of course (she said so in the article), but it's at least good to see some traces of reality setting in over at We're Smarter Than Everyone Else, Ltd.

cheers

eon

133 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:37:22pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

To bad your older(a little) than me !
I've got a family plan..I'd adopt ya!

134 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:37:40pm

re: #91 Charles

Notice that a major substantive negative report on the health care bill, with evidence, comes from the left.

The right is too busy ranting about euthanasia.

Notice that the meeting with big pharma was first reported by the Wall Street Journal...

"The White House meeting took place on July 7th, as first reported that evening in the Wall Street Journal. "

135 CaptObviousman  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:37:40pm

re: #129 tradewind

I could definitely see that.

136 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:37:53pm

I doubt this will be the only sign of the left eating its own...

I suspect far more to come

137 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:37:53pm

our federal govt doing what it does best...lying, cheating, and stealing
I despise the feds

138 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:38:12pm

Mainstreaming extremism...
Conservative Groups Dismiss Report on Rise of Militias

... right-leaning groups say the evidence of a distinct rise in militia activity is spotty and that the SPLC is unfairly lumping isolated extremists in the same category as those who are protesting the administration's economic and social policies, under the umbrella term "militia."

They add that the racism charge is bunk.

"I think it's utter nonsense to say it's racial," said Carter Clews, spokesman at Americans for Limited Government. Clews said Obama's "doctrinaire socialistic approach to government" has triggered a populist backlash, but "it's inappropriate to use the word militia."
...
William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, said the latest SPLC report suggests that DHS and the law center are relying largely on the same pool of information to make their claims about the rise in right-wing extremism.

"They are attempting to brand all right-of-center protesters as potential domestic terrorists or extremists," he said. "They are painting whole swaths of people as hate groups and extremists."

As for the purported rise in "militia" groups, which SPLC includes as part of the broader anti-government "Patriot" movement, Gheen said: "We're just not seeing it."

139 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:38:23pm

re: #132 eon

I have to laugh every time I see that little dweeb Reich... he kinda grows on you, no pun intended.
He left the Clinton WH safety-wired to the pissed-off position, and it's a hoot.

140 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:38:40pm

By the way, I have no inherent bias against big pharma. But it does seem to me that a health care bill that makes serious concessions to the drug industry is going to be seriously compromised. These companies are just as cutthroat as any other major transnational, and they're going to get the things they want, that will advance their businesses.

Nothing inherently wrong with that, again. But don't be under the illusion that the interests of the drug industry and your interests as a health care consumer are identical.

141 CaptObviousman  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:38:52pm

re: #139 tradewind

Like a fungus!

142 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:38:55pm

re: #119 Dreader1962

I just looked at IMDB - the screenplay is being adapted by James V. Hart - he's the one that did Sahara, which was pretty bad. The rest of his screenplay credits are pretty odd - 'Hook', some Muppet movies, a Lara Croft movie (which had great casting and effects, but awful stories).

How do they screw up something like Sahara? Clive Clussler writes formulaic stuff, I like it, it's a fun weekend read. But there's no substance. You have to work at screwing up something like Sahara. If he can't convert fluff to film how's he going to do something like Atlas Shrugged?

143 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:39:26pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Mainstreaming extremism...
Conservative Groups Dismiss Report on Rise of Militias

selective vision, like walking right past a mugging and pretending all's well

144 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:39:38pm

re: #115 ArchangelMichael

I would be very surprised if the entire meaning of the story is not turned inside out by Hollywood to either support collectivism or to viciously parody capitalism. Anyone who read Starship Troopers and then saw the movie can see what Hollywood can do to socioeconomic or political messages they don't like.

Look at what they did with "Sum of All Fears"

145 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:39:40pm

re: #141 CaptObviousman

Like a fungus!

There is a fungus amongus!

146 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:40:05pm

re: #129 tradewind

Michelle Pfiefer might have... seeing her in Tequila Sunrise was a pretty close fit. Not sure if she'd fit now.

147 Syrah  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:40:14pm

re: #116 quiet man

If Huffpo thinks Obama is lying..

or maybe Huffpo is getting a bit smarter

Either way, it is an interesting thing

The Left is not monolithic, even if they may look that way from a distance.

There will be some squalls on the Left that will be very entertaining.

148 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:40:31pm
149 Dreader1962  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:40:47pm

re: #142 jcm

How do they screw up something like Sahara? Clive Clussler writes formulaic stuff, I like it, it's a fun weekend read. But there's no substance. You have to work at screwing up something like Sahara. If he can't convert fluff to film how's he going to do something like Atlas Shrugged?

My thoughts exactly. Cussler is very formulaic; I read a whole slew of the novels and it got a bit tedious toward the end - a combination of the same formula and frankly he was running out of ideas. I think he's gone the Clancy route and has 'guest' writers now. Go figure.

150 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:40:53pm

re: #144 Alouette

Look at what they did with "Sum of All Fears"

The Hunt for Red October and Red Storm Rising are the only Clancy books I've read so I can only imagine. I do think that they did Red October justice in film form though.

151 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:40:54pm

re: #140 Charles

By the way, I have no inherent bias against big pharma. But it does seem to me that a health care bill that makes serious concessions to the drug industry is going to pretty seriously compromised. These companies are just as cutthroat as any other major transnational, and they're going to get the things they want, that will advance their businesses.

Nothing inherently wrong with that, again. But don't be under the illusion that interests of the drug industry and your interests as a health care consumer are identical.

And I would say the same thing about the government... don't be under the illusion that interests of the Obama administration and your interests as a health care consumer are identical.

152 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:40:55pm

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

re: #91 Charles


Notice that the meeting with big pharma was first reported by the Wall Street Journal...

"The White House meeting took place on July 7th, as first reported that evening in the Wall Street Journal. "


Walter..that is the WSJ merely reporting the meeting..later in the link it says they diod not know what was discussed..so Huffpo gets the cookie here.

153 lobo91  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:41:36pm

re: #144 Alouette

Look at what they did with "Sum of All Fears"

Oh, come on...making the villains into Russian neo-Nazis or whatever-the-hell they were made perfect sense...
///

154 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:41:41pm

re: #126 CaptObviousman

They'd have to ugly her up a little bit, rein in those famously pouty lips. Dagny always seemed to have a mannish beauty to her. Kinda like Jamie Lee Curtis.

Jolie could do that.

It's hard to tell which way they will take it. The right producer/director/writer and it could be a masterpiece. If it plays to what we consider 'typical Hollywood' it will be a disaster. It's one of those subjects that is as well known as The Lord of the Rings. If they play too loose with it, the criticism will be savage.

155 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:41:42pm

O'bama met with Big Pharm
E-I-E-I-O
And on them he did use his charm
E-I-E-I-O
With some armtwists here
and some kickbacks there
here a twist
there a kick
'nough to make you quite sick
O'bama met with Big Pharm
E-I-E-I-O

156 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:41:42pm

re: #95 tradewind

Atlas Shrugged is being remade, btw, rumor is that Charlize Theron is being cast as Dagny Taggart. Scheduled release in '11.
Not sure how I feel about that one.

In the remake, John Galt is a talented community organizer who refuses to knuckle under to an oppressive laissez-faire capitalist regime that systematically smothers all forms of intellectual distinction and human rights. Dagny is a talk-show host who becomes disillusioned by her service to the regime and goes to Galt's aid. At the end, the evil capitalists are overthrown and everyone gathers around a campfire to sing Kumbaya.
Anyone who saw the ideologically inverted re-make of The Manchurian Candidate will have no trouble believing this.

157 gearhead  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:41:54pm

They're always after me lucky pharms!

158 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:42:08pm

re: #140 Charles

By the way, I have no inherent bias against big pharma. But it does seem to me that a health care bill that makes serious concessions to the drug industry is going to pretty seriously compromised. These companies are just as cutthroat as any other major transnational, and they're going to get the things they want, that will advance their businesses.

Nothing inherently wrong with that, again. But don't be under the illusion that interests of the drug industry and your interests as a health care consumer are identical.

Exactly. I want an inexpensive medication with minimal, well-known side effects, so I go for ones that have been around for a while.
But if those don't work, I want to be able to get what does.
They want to sell you a new purple pill even if it is 0.1% better than the old one, but 10x more expensive.
But then, that pays for research that we all benefit from.

159 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:42:12pm

re: #147 Syrah

re: #116 quiet man


The Left is not monolithic, even if they may look that way from a distance.

There will be some squalls on the Left that will be very entertaining.


they do look monolithic from a distance, dint they??

/grin

160 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:42:21pm

re: #143 albusteve

It's becoming increasingly clear to me that many mainstream conservatives and groups are actively providing cover for the extremists in their midst.

161 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:42:34pm

re: #152 quiet man

Walter..that is the WSJ merely reporting the meeting..later in the link it says they diod not know what was discussed..so Huffpo gets the cookie here.

I wasn't making comment on who broke what at what time. I wasn't saying that, I was just adding an information thread to this whole story.

162 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:42:45pm

re: #150 ArchangelMichael

The Hunt for Red October and Red Storm Rising are the only Clancy books I've read so I can only imagine. I do think that they did Red October justice in film form though.

The best movie-to-film adaptation ever was LOTR.
Second best, GWTW.

163 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:42:46pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

I'll go the last step and make the generalization that one shouldn't be under the illusion that anyone other than one's self, and loved ones, have one's best interests in mind.

164 turn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:42:49pm

ah ha! turn finally gets it. Velocity in the strictest sense is distance divided by time. In the 14 billion years since the big bang space has grown to 47 billion light years across. So light coming from the outermost reaches of space could indeed be observed to exceed the speed of light by as much as the ratio 47/14 depending where you make the observation from. This doesn't violate special relativity which won't allow anything to exceed the speed of light because it used a relative distance.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks Keith, I gave you your only upding! Later lizards, time to go walk the lab along the American

165 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:43:16pm

BBL

166 lincolntf  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:43:29pm

re: #153 lobo91

I'm just glad that the Harry Potter movies are made by Brits or Voldemort would have had a Texas twang and a wife named Laura.

167 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:43:33pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

It's becoming increasingly clear to me that many mainstream conservatives and groups are actively providing cover for the extremists in their midst.

I have 30 of them in my closet.
///

168 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:44:56pm

re: #140 Charles

Not identical... but the world in general has been the pilot fish to the shark of Big Pharma, living on the cheap off of our R and D.

169 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:44:59pm
170 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:45:06pm

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

I have 30 of them in my closet.
///

LOL!

171 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:45:06pm

Once again, it's all smoke and mirrors. Pharma is maneuvering to protect itself from a rapacious Congress. And Obama cut a deal with Pharma for their support, but now is reneging.

Lesson for big industry players in DC: you can't trust this White House to keep their side of a deal.

172 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:45:11pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

Worried that you may not get your socialist health care system now?

Wow, it looks like you took my post the wrong way.

1) I believe health care reform is on-track.
2) it doesn't hold that this bill is socialistic any more than United States is already socialistic.
3) I think someone purposely leaked this memo to get (or see if they could get) popular support to remove this agreement from the table.


I don't want one ounce of help from a government sponsored health care plan. That concept is so far removed from the ideological foundations of this country that's it's frightening.

I hope you lead an uninteresting life, as it relates to your relationship with your health. (That may seem snarky, it isn't... I hope for the best for you and I like the phrasing).

Honest question: do you plan on using Medicare at age 65?

173 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:45:26pm

re: #140 Charles

These companies are just as cutthroat as any other major transnational, and they're going to get the things they want, that will advance their businesses.

Well... perhaps. But they're also meeting with a White House that is cheerfully threatening their very business model. So any deals they're making, are being made under duress. That said, sure, they'll try to twist thing around to keep the big boys afloat, and raise barriers to entry to newcomers. Which is why it almost always stinks when the government gets in the business of running business.

174 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:45:47pm

re: #166 lincolntf

I'm just glad that the Harry Potter movies are made by Brits or Voldemort would have had a Texas twang and a wife named Laura.

Amazingly, they tried to be true to the stories, and did a very good job. Not perfect, but very good.
Maybe somebody at the studio didn't want to be inundated by millions of upset Harry Potter fans, pointing wands and trying to levitate studio executives until they fell in the mud.

175 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:45:47pm
176 medaura18586  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:46:06pm

re: #140 Charles

By the way, I have no inherent bias against big pharma. But it does seem to me that a health care bill that makes serious concessions to the drug industry is going to be seriously compromised. These companies are just as cutthroat as any other major transnational, and they're going to get the things they want, that will advance their businesses.

Nothing inherently wrong with that, again. But don't be under the illusion that interests of the drug industry and your interests as a health care consumer are identical.

I think in the long run my interests as a health-care consumer and Big Pharma's interest tend to converge.

From Commentary's June issue:
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

177 lobo91  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:47:19pm

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

I have 30 of them in my closet.
///

Hell, I live right in the middle of what USA Today once called a "hotbed of evangelical Christian activity," AKA Colorado Springs, and I've somehow missed seeing all these racist militias running around.

I did see a good number of anti-Obama T-shirts and bumper stickers for sale at the gun show I attended last week, but that's called capitalism.

178 CaptObviousman  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:47:49pm

re: #174 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe somebody at the studio didn't want to be inundated by millions of upset Harry Potter fans, pointing wands and trying to levitate studio executives until they fell in the mud.

That's never stopped them before.

179 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:47:53pm
180 eon  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:48:00pm

re: #113 CyanSnowHawk

I heard the announcement just as I started to read it. It would be a tough translation to film. I saw that Angelina Jolie was attached to the project and the speculation was her as Dagny at the time. I'd have to see it just to see how they try to pull it off.

There are a number of filmmakers who could, and would, make the story accurately, Jolie being one such (she's a moderate-conservative, much like her father, Jon Voight). Others in the same category would include John Milius, Bruce Willis, and Tom Selleck.


The problem with the story is how easily it could be turned into a screed against capitalism, and a paean to "enlightened social brotherhood", with just a few changes. It would be a classic example of how whoever wins gets to write the history books, as it were.

It would require some serious revision of the story's ending (i.e., James Taggart being the only one left standing, while his "corrupt, self-serving" sister Dagny dies with her ex-lover Hank Rearden, in an attempt to rescue the evil John Galt from the mental hospital where they were on the verge of curing him of, well, being so evil), but if you've seen the present crop of "remakes" (notably the appalling The Day The Earth Stood Still), it's clear that Hollywood has no intention of letting fealty to a narrative get in the way of Getting A Necessary Message Across. (With themselves defining what Message is Necessary.)

This is why you should always make note of who is doing what when a movie is being based on other source material. It often tells you whether or not the source material will still be recognizable when they're done with it.

cheers

eon

181 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:48:17pm

re: #172 keithgabryelski

Honest question: do you plan on using Medicare at age 65?

You know, I've already heard this liberal talking point. "If you accept or plan to accept any sort of government medical benefit of any kind... and you oppose ObamaCare... you're a hypocrite!"

A child who was reasonably well-versed in logic could point out the flaw in this argument.

182 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:48:55pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

It's becoming increasingly clear to me that many mainstream conservatives and groups are actively providing cover for the extremists in their midst.

I posted months ago that the rise of liberal/socialis policies will increase these peoples' exposure...I honestly think the two are connected...and I also predicted that unless something softens the situation it will lead to violence...all the distrust and confusion flying around is a perfect nest for this stuff to breed...and further I also have predicted the death of mainstream conservatism, I mean what else can you call it?...interesting times amigo

183 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:49:15pm

re: #176 medaura18586

I agree, but short-sightedness by consumers and/or executives is problematic.

184 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:49:44pm

re: #172 keithgabryelski

I hope you lead an uninteresting life, as it relates to your relationship with your health. (That may seem snarky, it isn't... I hope for the best for you and I like the phrasing).

Honest question: do you plan on using Medicare at age 65?

Sure enough. That's part of what I have been paying for since I started working at the age of 14, and haven't stopped yet.

Big difference, Medicare is voluntary. The health care proposal is not.

Sure, the health care proposal is on track like the Latvian Space Program is on track.

185 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:49:56pm
186 medaura18586  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:51:00pm

re: #176 medaura18586

I think in the long run my interests as a health-care consumer and Big Pharma's interests tend to converge.

From Commentary's June issue:
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

That's an excellent article anyone interested in the health-care debate must read.

187 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:51:18pm

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

"Clear? Why a four-year-old child could understand it! Run out and find me a four-year-old child; I can't make head or tail of it."

--Groucho Marx, "Duck Soup"

So you're saying ObamaCare is a Marxist plot, eh?

188 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:52:02pm

re: #177 lobo91

Hell, I live right in the middle of what USA Today once called a "hotbed of evangelical Christian activity," AKA Colorado Springs, and I've somehow missed seeing all these racist militias running around.

I did see a good number of anti-Obama T-shirts and bumper stickers for sale at the gun show I attended last week, but that's called capitalism.

I just got back this morning from CS. Was staying at the Blue Sky Inn in Manitou Springs. A good friend of my girlfriend owns it. Right next to the Briarcrest.

Recommend it to anyone who is in the area.

[Link: www.blueskiesbb.com...]

189 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:52:18pm

Regarding the Huffington Post having this scoop...For all its fluff and Obama butt whiffing...the Huffington Post is making a serious big-time NEWSPAPER move here. An while Ariana loves her position as a Washington insider, she is more interested in being a big time publisher. There has been more and more balance to the Post. It still is not my cup of tea and I can't stand the air-headed celebrities that she allows free reign to but they are becoming more critical of the Obama Administration.

190 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:52:25pm

re: #170 VegasRick

LOL!

And their coming out of the closet.
///

191 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:52:48pm
192 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:52:50pm

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

"Clear? Why a four-year-old child could understand it! Run out and find me a four-year-old child; I can't make head or tail of it."

--Groucho Marx, "Duck Soup"

Hail Freedonia!

193 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:52:56pm
194 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:52:57pm

re: #187 Occasional Reader

So you're saying ObamaCare is a Marxist plot, eh?

Don't be such a Grouch-o.

195 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:52:59pm

If you take the government's money (or health care), you have to play by their rules, rationing and all.

Medicare cannot survive in its current form. It's bankrupt. That means far fewer services for Medicare beneficiaries, or far higher taxes for the rest of us. The real controversy is whether everyone is compelled to join the government system, or whether we move towards more competition, more consumer choice, and real transparency in pricing and quality.

Obama and the Democrats have no interest in more competition.

196 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:53:13pm

re: #181 Occasional Reader

You know, I've already heard this liberal talking point. "If you accept or plan to accept any sort of government medical benefit of any kind... and you oppose ObamaCare... you're a hypocrite!"

A child who was reasonably well-versed in logic could point out the flaw in this argument.

It wasn't a liberal talking point. I was genuinely curious.

What is not flawed is this connection:

The decision to use health-care reform, should it be available to you.
The decision to use Medicare when it becomes available to you.

I'm not claiming it's hypocritical to use one and not the other. If they are both offered to you, well, damn... use whichever you want or neither.

197 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:53:27pm

re: #191 buzzsawmonkey

A lot of people seem to be groucho about it...

Stop. That kind of attitude will only gummo up the works.

198 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:53:57pm
199 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:54:16pm

re: #124 quiet man

Speilberg will be the producer director..knowing hollywood.

djk: Atlas shrugged is the greatest seller in the world besides the bible..

I think you are confused, there are a lot of books in between the Bible and AS.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

If you are talking just the US, you are closer to the truth but not exactly there.

200 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:54:21pm

everything comes down to a scene from the Godfather or Dr. Zhivago most recently ...

from the article:

"Opponents of the deal with PhRMA hope that Obama is playing a multilayered game, making a deal in order to keep the drug makers in his camp for now, but planning to double-cross them in the end if he needs to in order to pass his signature initiative."

Consigliere Emanuel ... you know what to do ...

201 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:54:29pm

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

I wasn't trying to harpo on the subject...

Horse feathers you weren't.

202 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:54:30pm

re: #197 calcajun

Stop. That kind of attitude will only gummo up the works.

Your saying we should stop Harpo-ing on it?
Honk!

203 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:54:41pm

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

It was only a matter of time...

204 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:54:42pm

re: #197 calcajun

Stop. That kind of attitude will only gummo up the works.

Then why do you want to harpo-n it?

205 jaunte  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:54:48pm

re: #186 medaura18586

Good article. Isn't it odd how people find it hard to grasp that demonizing the profit motive tends to drive away venture capital and reduce innovation?
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

206 J.S.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:54:54pm

I had heard about this "deal" between the Pharmaceuticals and Obama's administration on CNN...(iirc it was explained that the Obama people wanted to make sure that the big Pharma companies would be "on side", and not act as an opponent, etc. -- so much for "transparency" in the Obama admin, along with the "change" business as promised during the Obama campaign)...(I still have no clear idea what the House Bill entails -- someone at CNN also reported that there are up to 5 different versions floating around...and no one appears to have read it, nor can anyone explain what it actually entails, etc...I can be neither opposed nor in favor when I'm not even certain about the details...)

207 lobo91  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:55:14pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

Will do.

208 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:55:25pm

re: #177 lobo91

Hell, I live right in the middle of what USA Today once called a "hotbed of evangelical Christian activity," AKA Colorado Springs, and I've somehow missed seeing all these racist militias running around.

I did see a good number of anti-Obama T-shirts and bumper stickers for sale at the gun show I attended last week, but that's called capitalism.

Cool. I'm moving to the Springs in a couple of months. I've lived there twice before, as a kid in the 50s (when dinosaurs still roamed the area) and later while I was the leader of one of the area's numerous armed right-wing bands, an air defense artillery battalion in my case. Unlike the civilian militias, we didn't have to buy our own weapons, which was a very fortunate thing indeed.

209 Kragar  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:55:28pm

re: #202 Kosh's Shadow

Your saying we should stop Harpo-ing on it?
Honk!

And what does that add to the conversation? Nothing. Zeppo. Zero.

210 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:55:38pm

Speaking of the Marx Brothers... I wonder if Stinky Beaumont is related to Margaret Beaumont?

211 mikalm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:55:39pm

Anyone seen this?

FBI circle man accused of White House threat

A man suspected of making threats against the White House is in a standoff with authorities outside the Federal Building in West Los Angeles. [emphasis mine]

FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller says the building has been locked down since noon Thursday, and FBI employees are being asked to stay inside.

Police Sgt. Kevin Lowe says officers pursued the suspect's red Volkswagen through the city's west side and surrounded his car at the building's entrance... (more)

212 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:55:59pm

re: #196 keithgabryelski

It wasn't a liberal talking point. I was genuinely curious.

What is not flawed is this connection:

The decision to use health-care reform, should it be available to you.
The decision to use Medicare when it becomes available to you.

I'm not claiming it's hypocritical to use one and not the other. If they are both offered to you, well, damn... use whichever you want or neither.

You have no decision if this proposal, as written, becomes a bill. You either get private insurance, the government plan or you pay 2.5 percent of your gross adjust income in a penalty to the IRS.

That's a free decision to have or not have health care?

Are you kidding?

213 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:56:01pm

re: #204 Occasional Reader

Then why do you want to harpo-n it?

You should zepp-o to the other threads and see my comments.

214 TedStriker  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:56:08pm

re: #22 ArchangelMichael

That's what Matrix said to Sully. Look where it got him.

/commando

"I lied!" - John Matrix

;-P

215 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:56:10pm

re: #200 JacksonTn

everything comes down to a scene from the Godfather or Dr. Zhivago most recently ...

from the article:

"Opponents of the deal with PhRMA hope that Obama is playing a multilayered game, making a deal in order to keep the drug makers in his camp for now, but planning to double-cross them in the end if he needs to in order to pass his signature initiative."

Consigliere Emanuel ... you know what to do ...

What kind of people hope their leader is a lying double-crosser?

216 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:56:29pm

re: #210 Occasional Reader

Speaking of the Marx Brothers... I wonder if Stinky Beaumont is related to Margaret Beaumont?

Dumont, you son of a silly person.

217 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:56:30pm

re: #209 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And what does that add to the conversation? Nothing. Zeppo. Zero.

It adds Duck Soup to the menu.

218 Syrah  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:56:39pm

re: #211 mikalm

Anyone seen this?

FBI circle man accused of White House threat

A man suspected of making threats against the White House is in a standoff with authorities outside the Federal Building in West Los Angeles. [emphasis mine]

FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller says the building has been locked down since noon Thursday, and FBI employees are being asked to stay inside.

Police Sgt. Kevin Lowe says officers pursued the suspect's red Volkswagen through the city's west side and surrounded his car at the building's entrance... (more)

Red Volkswagen?

219 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:56:56pm

Merely by exposing the deal, Obama is double-crossing them. They have no time to mount an effective anti-Obamacare campaign to derail the current proposal. In other words, they're shafted.

220 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:57:02pm

You made me click on Huffpo, eeewww.

221 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:57:13pm

re: #215 doppelganglander

What kind of people hope their leader is a lying double-crosser?

DG ... who knows ... the whole friggin thing is one big train wreck ...

222 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:57:37pm

What will happen to patents?

223 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:57:59pm

re: #217 midwestgak

It adds Duck Soup to the menu.

Ah, two halves of the same empty coconuts.

224 eon  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:58:06pm

re: #215 doppelganglander

What kind of people hope their leader is a lying double-crosser?

People to whom the end justifies the means.

/If I add any examples, I'll be deleted, and deserve it.

cheers

eon

225 Kragar  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:58:08pm

re: #217 midwestgak

It adds Duck Soup to the menu.

Don't like the taste. I go thru a whole pack of gummo to get rid of it.

226 DEZes  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:58:14pm

re: #220 itellu3times

You made me click on Huffpo, eeewww.

The delousing chamber is now open. ;)
Hello Lizards.

227 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:58:15pm

re: #222 MandyManners

They'll be enforceable for their usual twelve years.

228 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:58:16pm

re: #211 mikalm

Anyone seen this?

FBI circle man accused of White House threat

A man suspected of making threats against the White House is in a standoff with authorities outside the Federal Building in West Los Angeles. [emphasis mine]

FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller says the building has been locked down since noon Thursday, and FBI employees are being asked to stay inside.

Police Sgt. Kevin Lowe says officers pursued the suspect's red Volkswagen through the city's west side and surrounded his car at the building's entrance... (more)

A Volkswagen? No true wingnut would drive a Volkwagen.

229 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:58:20pm

re: #196 keithgabryelski

It wasn't a liberal talking point. I was genuinely curious...

Actually, I don't believe you are genuinely curious. You seem to be very versed in your opinions and talking points when you have something to say, and you do a very competent job of stating your position, until someone say something or points out something that shoots down your position.

Then you go into that playing dumb mode.

230 lobo91  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:58:22pm

re: #205 jaunte

Good article. Isn't it odd how people find it hard to grasp that demonizing the profit motive tends to drive away venture capital and reduce innovation?
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

Next you're going to tell me that GM and Chrysler aren't going to start building flying cars this fall...

231 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:59:08pm

re: #228 Shiplord Kirel

A Volkswagen? No true wingnut would drive a Volkwagen.

Just an irrate golf spectator who isn't Happy. ;-)

232 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:59:15pm

re: #217 midwestgak

It adds Duck Soup to the menu.

There is a Freedonian Street in my town. Someone should open a Marx-bros themed restaurant there called "Duck Soup"
The waiters could dress like the Marx Brothers.
The dress code would be if you wear a tie, "Harpo" gets to cut it into pieces.

233 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:59:21pm

re: #216 calcajun

Dumont, you son of a silly person.

Botched joke (in horseface's famous words).

234 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:59:27pm

re: #230 lobo91

Next you're going to tell me that GM and Chrysler aren't going to start building flying cars this fall...

Wait, they're not? I was hoping to use my cash for clunkers rebate to get one.

235 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:59:32pm

Later.

236 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:59:43pm

re: #228 Shiplord Kirel

A Volkswagen? No true wingnut would drive a Volkwagen.

The "Love Bug" my ass.

237 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:59:45pm

re: #230 lobo91

Next you're going to tell me that GM and Chrysler aren't going to start building flying cars this fall...

Would that be the 6000 SUX?

238 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:59:53pm

Huffington Post now has a copy of the memo posted...but it isn't throbbing yet.

239 Syrah  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:00:04pm

re: #228 Shiplord Kirel

A Volkswagen? No true wingnut would drive a Volkwagen.

Maybe a camo painted Baja-Bug, but just a plain old Red one? It seems . . . odd.

240 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:00:06pm

re: #228 Shiplord Kirel

A Volkswagen? No true wingnut would drive a Volkwagen.

A neo-Nazi maybe, but then, only the one "designed" by his hero.

241 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:00:21pm

re: #232 Kosh's Shadow

There is a Freedonian Street in my town. Someone should open a Marx-bros themed restaurant there called "Duck Soup"
The waiters could dress like the Marx Brothers.
The dress code would be if you wear a tie, "Harpo" gets to cut it into pieces.

And you get to sit on the waiter's lap.

242 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:00:48pm

re: #236 calcajun

The "Love Bug" my ass.

I think you need another comma there or something...

243 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:01:13pm

re: #211 mikalm

Anyone seen this?

FBI circle man accused of White House threat

A man suspected of making threats against the White House is in a standoff with authorities outside the Federal Building in West Los Angeles. [emphasis mine]

FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller says the building has been locked down since noon Thursday, and FBI employees are being asked to stay inside.

Police Sgt. Kevin Lowe says officers pursued the suspect's red Volkswagen through the city's west side and surrounded his car at the building's entrance... (more)

Wait I'll look ... yep, choppers still hovering, nut must still be in his shell.

244 lobo91  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:01:30pm

re: #208 Shiplord Kirel

Cool. I'm moving to the Springs in a couple of months. I've lived there twice before, as a kid in the 50s (when dinosaurs still roamed the area) and later while I was the leader of one of the area's numerous armed right-wing bands, an air defense artillery battalion in my case. Unlike the civilian militias, we didn't have to buy our own weapons, which was a very fortunate thing indeed.

Not much ADA around anymore, especially in Colorado Springs.

I'm a USAR SGM, by the way.

245 Kragar  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:01:32pm

re: #236 calcajun

The "Love Bug" my ass.

They have creams for that now.

246 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:01:32pm

re: #236 calcajun

The "Love Bug" my ass.

A shot of penicillin should cure that.

247 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:01:38pm

re: #214 talon_262

"I lied!" - John Matrix

;-P

"I let him go."

248 medaura18586  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:02:09pm

re: #205 jaunte

Good article. Isn't it odd how people find it hard to grasp that demonizing the profit motive tends to drive away venture capital and reduce innovation?
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

People also simply don't get how innovation and discovery works -- all the unknown unknowns in the equation, and huge risks involved. They just take medical/technological progress for granted, business environment and incentives or disincentives be damned. "The Black Swan" should be required reading for anyone who comes up with health-care masterplans.

249 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:02:11pm

Epoxy can be cured.

250 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:02:26pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

That kind of news will kill the bill faster than any death panel.

Quite possible. Making deals with Evil Corporationland is going to turn the Left against this in a hurry.

We owe the Blue Dogs a huge "Thank You" for delaying the vote on this bill and allowing time for actual information to reach the public.

251 Syrah  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:02:38pm

re: #249 itellu3times

Epoxy can be cured.

Often in 24 hours or less.

252 DEZes  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:03:07pm

re: #246 MandyManners

A shot of penicillin should cure that.

Herpes, the love bug

253 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:03:16pm

re: #249 itellu3times

Epoxy can be cured.

I have no resin to doubt you.

254 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:03:19pm

BIG PHARM IS RIPPING US OFF!

(I looked all through the thread and didn't see it.)

255 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:03:34pm

re: #242 Charpete67

I think you need another comma there or something...

Or a serious coma.

256 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:03:47pm

Good Afternoon Lizards!
It's a beautiful day in Indiana! Hope everyone is well..
From this topic I see some things are starting to unravel for the Administration.. It is here we should fight the war of policy and politics..
Not screaming in meetings...

257 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:04:06pm

re: #86 keithgabryelski

My question exactly.

Some initial gut reaction I'll keep to myself.

258 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:04:10pm

re: #249 itellu3times

Epoxy can be cured.

LOL. The guy in Wisconsin who had his dick glued to his stomach by his wife and two girlfriends would agree

259 DEZes  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:04:25pm

re: #256 HoosierHoops

Good Afternoon Lizards!
It's a beautiful day in Indiana! Hope everyone is well..
From this topic I see some things are starting to unravel for the Administration.. It is here we should fight the war of policy and politics..
Not screaming in meetings...

We have a Hoosier on the next shuttle flight, eh.

260 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:05:02pm
261 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:05:05pm

re: #180 eon

There are a number of filmmakers who could, and would, make the story accurately, Jolie being one such (she's a moderate-conservative, much like her father, Jon Voight). Others in the same category would include John Milius, Bruce Willis, and Tom Selleck.

That's why I was glad she was connected to the film project, but I don't see that at IMDB now, although one of the 8 producers listed, Geyer Kosinski, has a connection to many past Jolie projects. It's not mentions on the IMDB page, but I thought her production company owned the film rights.

As to whether or not the story and/or message will be significantly changed, I would think that the better a story is known, the harder that would be to pull off. They would have to know that doing something like that will kill the film, but then again, there are a lot of people in Hollywood that thought Waterworld was going to work.

262 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:05:15pm

re: #245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #246 MandyManners

I was going to say how glad I was to be the straight man for this joke, but seeing how it involves... Oh,... never mind.

263 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:05:22pm

aiding illegals will get you prosecuted in some places

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

264 Wendya  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:05:25pm

re: #8 duck of peace

who gets to be thrown under the bus for this one? Or this another Teachable Moment (tm)

It seems to be another example of "acting stupidly".

265 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:05:27pm

re: #250 SixDegrees

Quite possible. Making deals with Evil Corporationland is going to turn the Left against this in a hurry.

We owe the Blue Dogs a huge "Thank You" for delaying the vote on this bill and allowing time for actual information to reach the public.

Let me explain to you how this works. You see, the corporations finance ObamaCare. And then ObamaCare goes out and the corporations sit there in their, in their corporation buildings and, and and see that's, they're all corporationy, and they make money.

266 lincolntf  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:06:16pm

I've been off- and on-line all day (in-laws will be here in a few minutes to stay the weekend, had lots of crap to do) so I might've missed Obama in Montana. Did that happen yet?

267 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:06:36pm

Has the news of this memo hit the MSM?

268 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:06:37pm

re: #243 itellu3times

Wait I'll look ... yep, choppers still hovering, nut must still be in his shell.

Live feed.
Looks like the douchebag is still alive.

269 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:06:48pm

re: #259 DEZes

We have a Hoosier on the next shuttle flight, eh.

Awesome! How are you today?

270 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:07:20pm

re: #267 Silvergirl

Has the news of this memo hit the MSM?

It's been on HuffPo for about 2 days. I don't think the MSM is interested.

271 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:08:17pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

It's been on HuffPo for about 2 days. I don't think the MSM is interested.

Why oh why ever not?

272 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:08:21pm

re: #267 Silvergirl

Has the news of this memo hit the MSM?

I wonder if the MFM are busy trying to figure out how to ignore this.

273 J.S.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:08:23pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

It's been briefly mentioned on CNN...

274 DEZes  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:08:26pm

re: #269 HoosierHoops

Awesome! How are you today?

Sitting with the AC blowing and a cold beer in reach.
Yourself?

275 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:08:26pm

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

Actually, I don't believe you are genuinely curious. You seem to be very versed in your opinions and talking points when you have something to say, and you do a very competent job of stating your position, until someone say something or points out something that shoots down your position.

Then you go into that playing dumb mode.

It's tough to engage someone in conversation if they believe you, and your method of figuring out the basis for someone's opinion, are dishonest.

Re: playing dumb: If someone challenges my position I back up my points, discredit the challenges, or concede. If, during this process, I ask questions to better understand the challenge, well... I can't see that as problem.

BTW, I don't think many of my positions have been "shot down".

276 eon  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:08:28pm

re: #199 Thanos

I think you are confused, there are a lot of books in between the Bible and AS.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

If you are talking just the US, you are closer to the truth but not exactly there.

According to a radio report I heard this AM, sales of AS have shown a strong uptick since the ObamaCare debate began. And people are now referring to I believe it was "Directive 12-223" in the novel in reference to the provisions of the plan (boiling down to "whatever is not specifically prohibited is mandatory- and that which is specifically prohibited in one part of the program will be required under another part").

People seem to be drawing parallels between ObamaCare and the various "Industrial Unification Plans" in the novel. Considering that the Obama Administration has already essentially carried out such a plan with GM and Chrysler under the UAW's rulership (and, in the words of Asimov's Foundation, "done it so cleverly that no one noticed"), the hypothesis that the endgame for the health care plan is the same, both in philosophy and in substance, isn't much of a stretch.

cheers

eon

277 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:08:48pm
278 jaunte  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:09:09pm

re: #248 medaura18586

I have specific anecdotal knowledge of how costly drugs pay off for marginal cases, through my asthmatic daughter's experience with a drug that keeps her breathing; previously she was in the hospital for a week's stay at least four times a year.
[Link: allergynotes.blogspot.com...]
Note that the story says "According to this study, Xolair may be cost-effective in adults with severe asthma only if the price is less than $200 per dose."
We pay $900 a month for two doses. I doubt that a Federal health care plan would ignore the cost-effectiveness study, so we'd be back to the emergency room x 4 yearly visits, and that would cost much more. Cost control is more complicated than simply cutting off the opportunity for drug companies to make a profit.

279 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:09:43pm

re: #275 keithgabryelski

It's tough to engage someone in conversation if they believe you, and your method of figuring out the basis for someone's opinion, are dishonest.

Re: playing dumb: If someone challenges my position I back up my points, discredit the challenges, or concede. If, during this process, I ask questions to better understand the challenge, well... I can't see that as problem.

BTW, I don't think many of my positions have been "shot down".

Sorry, GAZE.

280 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:09:51pm

re: #273 J.S.

It's been briefly mentioned on CNN...

It's going to need grass roots support to gain traction.

Maybe folks could start asking questions about it at the town hall meetings that are still scheduled.

Please do so. Without yelling. It's one of those points that makes itself.

281 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:09:57pm

re: #210 Occasional Reader

Speaking of the Marx Brothers... I wonder if Stinky Beaumont is related to Margaret Beaumont?

But Hugh Beaumont was The Beav's dad.

282 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:10:13pm

Backroom deals. Smoke-filled room, probably.

What a new era of clean hopeful wonderful politics, we chose so wisely in 2008 because we are such an enlightened nation.

///
Better
Better get a bucket.

283 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:10:14pm

re: #260 buzzsawmonkey

You are freaking insane.

Oh good lord, I need to go. I think I peed myself.

284 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:10:38pm

re: #274 DEZes

Sitting with the AC blowing and a cold beer in reach.
Yourself?

2 Hours...Football! Pregame in one hour on ESPN.
Yippee! Beer is being iced down...

285 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:10:49pm

OT but the absolutely coolest live sand art on Russian television...
YouTube Video

286 Dianna  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:10:53pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Live feed.
Looks like the douchebag is still alive.

I think someone's standing in front of the camera.

287 mj  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:11:28pm

re: #267 Silvergirl

Has the news of this memo hit the MSM?

Gibbs was asked about it today where he denied the contents of the article:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

288 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:12:11pm

re: #280 SixDegrees

It's going to need grass roots support to gain traction.

Maybe folks could start asking questions about it at the town hall meetings that are still scheduled.

Please do so. Without yelling. It's one of those points that makes itself.

...it needs to throb before they pay attention...

289 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:12:17pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Live feed.
Looks like the douchebag is still alive.

Where's that 10,000 pound anvil Monty Python drops on stuff?

290 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:12:44pm

re: #271 Silvergirl

Why oh why ever not?

Because it's dull and would require analysis to discuss what impact it would have. People wouldn't watch it.

291 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:12:51pm

re: #254 Silvergirl

As Charles says, Big Pharm is looking out for Big Pharm. What Big Pharma really wants is free access to physician data about patients, including which patient is taking what drugs. In a nationalized system, with patient health information collected electronically and in the hands of the national health board, the government can compel this. Doctors must give up their patient information without patient consent, and without being compensated for it.

The next stage in advancing medical treatment is genetic evaluation, and treatments based upon your genetic pre-disposition to certain diseases. In a rationed healthcare system, that innovation will never happen, because it will cost billions to link the human genome data to specific diseases. Genetic treatments also will be costly initially, although their cost will diminish per unit with increased numbers of patients treated.

292 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:12:52pm

re: #287 mj

Gibbs was asked about it today where he denied the contents of the article:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks!

293 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:13:04pm

re: #287 mj

Gibbs was asked about it today where he denied the contents of the article:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

If I were a White House reporter, I'd be taking my pet badger along with me to press briefings these days.

294 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:13:05pm

re: #284 HoosierHoops

2 Hours...Football! Pregame in one hour on ESPN.
Yippee! Beer is being iced down...

Who's playing Hoosi?

295 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:13:06pm

re: #287 mj

Gibbs was asked about it today where he denied the contents of the article:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

He then did his best Dr. House imitation and tossed back a handful of Vicodin with a beer chaser.

296 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:13:15pm

Hmm. Wonder if Big Pharm sweetened the deal with an offer of nonrationed complimentary Botox for Madame Speaker?

297 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:13:16pm

re: #253 calcajun

Oh, don't come un-glued about it!

298 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:13:27pm

re: #277 buzzsawmonkey

but like Stinky, she had no sense of humor. She never got the Marx Bros. jokes.

299 mikalm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:13:34pm

re: #286 Dianna

I think someone's standing in front of the camera.

Not that there's anything funny about this situation, but I have a yarn about a friend of mine who, back in the innocent pre-9/11 era, got a visit from the SS for "threatening" GWB. It's much more entertaining if one knows the individuals involved.

300 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:13:58pm

re: #295 itellu3times

He then did his best Dr. House imitation and tossed back a handful of Vicodin with a beer chaser.

...mmm...beer and vicodin...

301 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:14:13pm

re: #297 Dan G.

Oh, don't come un-glued about it!

I promise I won't --my word is my bond.

302 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:14:15pm

re: #281 Silvergirl

But Hugh Beaumont was The Beav's dad.

Hugh Cleaver was Beav's dad

303 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:14:37pm

re: #300 Charpete67

...mmm...beer and vicodin...

the new breakfast of Champions.

304 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:14:37pm

re: #295 itellu3times

He then did his best Dr. House imitation and tossed back a handful of Vicodin with a beer chaser.

House always gets an upding.

305 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:14:43pm

Westchester neighbors say standoff suspect needs meds for mental issues

A Westchester man suspected of making a bomb threat against the White House poses no danger, but sometimes becomes loud and profane when he fails to take his medication for mental illness, his neighbors said today.

"The guy is harmless, but once he gets off his meds he is screaming profanity," said one neighbor.

The man fled from U.S. Secret Service agents Thursday, leading a chase in a 2002 Volkswagen Beetle up the San Diego (405) Freeway. He stopped near the Federal Building in Westwood and is engaged in a standoff with law enforcement officers.

The car is registered to Joe Moshe, a resident in the 8300 block of Creighton Avenue. Police have not publicly identified him.

Neighbors who did not want to be identified said Moshe "sounds like he could be dangerous," but he has never caused any significant trouble for them.

"He's got issues. He doesn't take his medication, he doesn't do that well," a neighbor said.


A quick google search doesn't show any evidence of support for Ron Paul or posting Glenn Beck videos.

306 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:14:55pm

re: #301 calcajun

Spoken like a true adherent.

307 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:14:55pm

re: #294 midwestgak

Who's playing Hoosi?

It's a repeat of the Superbowl...Arizona and Steelers..
I'm just a little jacked up..
{GAK}

308 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:05pm

re: #284 HoosierHoops

2 Hours...Football! Pregame in one hour on ESPN.
Yippee! Beer is being iced down...

I'm juiced...wonder why?

309 Dianna  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:09pm

re: #299 mikalm

Those moments when you have absolutely no clue how this could be happening?

310 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:10pm

re: #291 quickjustice

As Charles says, Big Pharm is looking out for Big Pharm. What Big Pharma really wants is free access to physician data about patients, including which patient is taking what drugs. In a nationalized system, with patient health information collected electronically and in the hands of the national health board, the government can compel this. Doctors must give up their patient information without patient consent, and without being compensated for it.

The next stage in advancing medical treatment is genetic evaluation, and treatments based upon your genetic pre-disposition to certain diseases. In a rationed healthcare system, that innovation will never happen, because it will cost billions to link the human genome data to specific diseases. Genetic treatments also will be costly initially, although their cost will diminish per unit with increased numbers of patients treated.

Thank you.

I was being totally silly with my comment.

311 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:11pm

re: #295 itellu3times

He then did his best Dr. House imitation and tossed back a handful of Vicodin with a beer chaser.

I bet Gibbs doesn't have an Aunt Agatha.

312 skull4me  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:13pm

I'm ordering my Michelle Obama porcelain doll to go with my plastic Sarah Palin doll. I'm going to send them on an Alaskan cruise to look for Barack's Harvard transcripts and that waskly nurf cuhtifichat. Them I'm going to go blow the shit out of a bunch of taliban. I'll worry about health care later.

313 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:18pm

re: #302 albusteve

Hugh Cleaver was Beav's dad

"Ward" Cleaver--dammit. Get your trivia right!/

314 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:20pm

re: #301 calcajun

I promise I won't --my word is my bond.

Stick to you word, 'cause I've got you on tape.

315 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:36pm

re: #295 itellu3times

Gibbs in in their pocket, and it only took free modafinil to keep him going.
The patent was supposed to have expired, but a deal has kept it protected for years to come. (Not a joke)

316 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:44pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

Westchester neighbors say standoff suspect needs meds for mental issues


A quick google search doesn't show any evidence of support for Ron Paul or posting Glenn Beck videos.

Disappointed?

317 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:45pm

re: #302 albusteve

Hugh Cleaver was Beav's dad

Ward Cleaver!

318 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:54pm

re: #300 Charpete67

...mmm...beer and vicodin...

The acetaminophen alone would have killed his liver long ago.

319 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:59pm

re: #307 HoosierHoops

It's a repeat of the Superbowl...Arizona and Steelers..
I'm just a little jacked up..
{GAK}

we have the Cowboys/Raiders down here

320 mikalm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:16:19pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

Thanks for the background, KT.

321 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:16:43pm

Is it legal for the Obama administration to make a deal with Pharma companies without going through congress? ... if so, what else can they do involving healthcare without going through congress? ...

322 mj  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:16:59pm

re: #293 SixDegrees

If I were a White House reporter, I'd be taking my pet badger along with me to press briefings these days.

There is only one reporter who is doing their job at the WH briefings and that's Jake Tapper from ABC. The rest of them sit there and laugh at all of Gibbs's jokes. It's disgusting. They think the press spokesman is there to entertain them rather than asking questions.
Go read a daily briefing. You'll see how many times those reporters sit and laugh at Gibbs's jokes.

323 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:00pm

re: #311 MandyManners

He looks more like Gussie Finknottle- noted newt fancier.

324 Dianna  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:02pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

Westchester neighbors say standoff suspect needs meds for mental issues


A quick google search doesn't show any evidence of support for Ron Paul or posting Glenn Beck videos.

So...does that mean you have no evidence that he really is off his meds, or that you have no evidence that he's a wingnut militia member?

325 BlackFedora  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:06pm

Is this what made Chris Matthews feel a thrill going up his leg?

326 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:16pm

Someone got my Bertie reference!

327 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:17pm

re: #316 doppelganglander

Nope. Just checking the usual suspects.

328 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:19pm

re: #313 calcajun

"Ward" Cleaver--dammit. Get your trivia right!/

Hugh was short for Ward back then

329 lincolntf  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:20pm

I always suspected that Obama wasn't ready for the big leagues.
That's why he's stuck on the pharm-team.

330 mikalm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:22pm

re: #309 Dianna

Those moments when you have absolutely no clue how this could be happening?

???

331 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:25pm

re: #303 calcajun

the new breakfast of Champions.

That is sooo flaky.

332 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:33pm

re: #313 calcajun

"Ward" Cleaver--dammit. Get your trivia right!/

"...Ward...don't you think you've been a little hard on Beaver?"...can't say that on TV anymore...

333 Syrah  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:46pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Live feed.
Looks like the douchebag is still alive.

Its one of those new-fangled bugs.

334 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:53pm

re: #323 calcajun

He looks more like Gussie Finknottle- noted newt fancier.

What would Jeeves make of Gibbs?

335 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:18:04pm

re: #260 buzzsawmonkey

...They come and go...
They come and go

.
/and who cares? We'll just print more!/

336 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:18:05pm

re: #321 JacksonTn

It's legal, but the real question is, "Can they deliver?"

337 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:18:14pm

re: #324 Dianna

So...does that mean you have no evidence that he really is off his meds, or that you have no evidence that he's a wingnut militia member?

Militia. A google search probably wouldn't turn up anything about his meds, silly.

338 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:18:14pm

re: #314 midwestgak

Stick to you word, 'cause I've got you on tape.

OK--now I'm feeling pasted with this collage of puns.

339 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:18:32pm

re: #325 BlackFedora

Is this what made Chris Matthews feel a thrill going up his leg?

No--that was sciatica.

340 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:18:42pm

re: #327 Killgore Trout

Nope. Just checking the usual suspects.

Check if he has web toes. A lot of times these Ron Paulians and Glenn Beckians, and almost all right-wing militia, have web toes.

341 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:19:11pm

re: #334 MandyManners

What would Jeeves make of Gibbs?

mincemeat?

342 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:19:24pm

re: #336 quickjustice

It's legal, but the real question is, "Can they deliver?"

QJ ... deliver what? ... it just seems so ... um I don't know ... not transparent ... CHANGE!

343 mikalm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:19:26pm

re: #334 MandyManners

What would Jeeves make of Gibbs?

Ah -- Wodehouse fans among the Lizards!

344 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:19:34pm

re: #307 HoosierHoops

It's a repeat of the Superbowl...Arizona and Steelers..
I'm just a little jacked up..
{GAK}

Oh goody! Enjoy the game {Hossier}. I hope there are trick plays and they go into double overtime. I'm starving for football. Can you tell?

345 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:20:01pm

re: #340 Walter L. Newton

And a prehensile tail tucked into their khakis.

346 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:20:31pm

re: #332 Charpete67

"...Ward...don't you think you've been a little hard on Beaver?"...can't say that on TV anymore...

Must resist line about June's pearl necklace...

347 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:20:32pm

Terminator 2010: The rise of the Ron Paul clan.

Ron Paul’s Army Complicates GOP 2010 Hopes

348 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:20:33pm

re: #327 Killgore Trout

Nope. Just checking the usual suspects.

I'm waiting for the day Obama is attacked from the left - not a physical attack, God forbid, but threats, raucous demonstrations, and that sort of thing. It's going to happen and you won't know what to do.

349 Dianna  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:21:11pm

re: #330 mikalm

???

Years ago, I was grabbed by a guy in a paper closet. I knocked him down and ran. I left the job that day, when the supervisor told me I must have done something to encourage him.

That afternoon, the police appeared on my doorstep. Said assailant had filed a police report that I assaulted him.

For several seconds, I simply stood there and stared, because this could not be happening. The order of reality had somehow taken off on a tangent.

I imagine that's what your acquaintance felt.

350 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:21:19pm

re: #345 tradewind

And a prehensile tail tucked into their khakis.

No-- they're just happy with all the undue attention they're getting.

351 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:21:30pm

re: #347 Charles

Abandon Ship!

352 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:21:41pm

re: #342 JacksonTn

The deal was: Pharma puts $80 billion into prescription drug benefits in Medicare, and Obama makes sure Congress doesn't cut their profit margins anywhere else.

Obama now has reneged.

353 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:21:46pm

re: #334 MandyManners

What would Jeeves make of Gibbs?

One can only conjecture, madam.

354 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:21:48pm

Off to dinner.

355 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:22:11pm

wot now? choppers are moving around ... blue chopper takes up a westerly position, disturbing my peace ... never mind, gone.

356 DEZes  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:22:56pm

re: #314 midwestgak

Stick to you word, 'cause I've got you on tape.

These puns are getting tacky.

357 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:23:07pm

re: #352 quickjustice

The deal was: Pharma puts $80 billion into prescription drug benefits in Medicare, and Obama makes sure Congress doesn't cut their profit margins anywhere else.

Obama now has reneged.

QJ ... oh .. that little thing ... so ... HE WON! ... he can double-cross if he feels like it ... the whole thing is just whacked ... that is all ... the whole enchilada

358 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:23:15pm

re: #348 doppelganglander

Your post points again to the fact (IMHO) that a new, center party is needed, and very much so.

359 mikalm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:23:20pm

re: #349 Dianna

Wow! What a story.

I'll have to tell you mine in person some time. It really needs to be done with background info that I'm not free to disclose in public.

360 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:23:28pm

re: #349 Dianna

Years ago, I was grabbed by a guy in a paper closet. I knocked him down and ran. I left the job that day, when the supervisor told me I must have done something to encourage him.

That afternoon, the police appeared on my doorstep. Said assailant had filed a police report that I assaulted him.

For several seconds, I simply stood there and stared, because this could not be happening. The order of reality had somehow taken off on a tangent.

I imagine that's what your acquaintance felt.

Today, you'd have a nice fat lawsuit that would set you up nicely for life if a supervisor ever said something so stupid!

361 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:23:57pm

re: #356 DEZes

These puns are getting tacky.

Have to clamp down on these glue puns soon.

362 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:24:06pm

re: #348 doppelganglander

They're already pissed about the watered down healthcare bill and other stuff. I doubt they'll actually start sending death threats. Maybe a few small demonstrations someday but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

363 Dianna  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:24:06pm

re: #359 mikalm

Wow! What a story.

I'll have to tell you mine in person some time. It really needs to be done with background info that I'm not free to disclose in public.

That's cool. I'll look forward to it.

364 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:24:20pm

re: #349 Dianna

Years ago, I was grabbed by a guy in a paper closet. I knocked him down and ran. I left the job that day, when the supervisor told me I must have done something to encourage him.

That afternoon, the police appeared on my doorstep. Said assailant had filed a police report that I assaulted him.

For several seconds, I simply stood there and stared, because this could not be happening. The order of reality had somehow taken off on a tangent.

I imagine that's what your acquaintance felt.

I assume that all went away quickly, but with an aggressive attorney you might have made out well on it all. Bet the authorities knew the guy on sight.

365 eon  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:24:21pm

re: #334 MandyManners

What would Jeeves make of Gibbs?

About what Sir Impey Biggs usually made of Sir Wigmore Wrinching in debates in Lords- or the way he manhandled him in Denver's trial for murdering Dennis Cathcart even before Lord Peter showed up with Cathcart's suicide note.

/Clouds of Witness, Dorothy L. Sayers.

cheers

eon

366 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:24:29pm

re: #352 quickjustice

The deal was: Pharma puts $80 billion into prescription drug benefits in Medicare, and Obama makes sure Congress doesn't cut their profit margins anywhere else.

Obama now has reneged.

Why? 'Cause it's out in the open now?

367 Dianna  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:24:44pm

re: #360 Russkilitlover

Today, you'd have a nice fat lawsuit that would set you up nicely for life if a supervisor ever said something so stupid!

Even then, were I that sort of person.

368 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:25:04pm

re: #321 JacksonTn

Is it legal for the Obama administration to make a deal with Pharma companies without going through congress? ... if so, what else can they do involving healthcare without going through congress? ...

Congress/smongress, who needs those annoying details when you are The One who won one?

369 zombie  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:25:18pm

Wow. This "Big Pharm" memo is crushing to Obama, totally catching him red-handed in a major lie. This is devastating to his credibility and to the chances of the health care bill.

But the really big news is that Huffington Post is the one blowing the whistle. The Honeymoon is most definitely O-ver!

370 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:25:21pm

re: #361 calcajun

We're bound to run out of them soon enough.

371 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:25:40pm

re: #358 Ojoe

Your post points again to the fact (IMHO) that a new, center party is needed, and very much so.

I know you're very positive about the Modern Whigs. I looked at them but I just can't get on board with their immigration policy. Many of their positions are very attractive, though.

372 Dianna  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:25:46pm

re: #364 itellu3times

I assume that all went away quickly, but with an aggressive attorney you might have made out well on it all. Bet the authorities knew the guy on sight.

It never got anywhere. The police were...skeptical... of both of us, I think, but less so of me. I didn't even have to visit the police station.

373 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:25:51pm

re: #347 Charles

Some Republicans are dismissive of the Paul-backed Senate candidates. “Yes, Schiff is going to raise a ton of money, just like Ron Paul,” said one Connecticut Republican strategist. “He has a cultish following based on one video of him, like a broken clock, saying something gloomy about the economy that was later proven right. But how many of the people who’ll give him money live in Connecticut?”


These guys are a long shot but the atmosphere is right for them to get traction.

374 mikalm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:25:54pm

re: #365 eon

I'll disregard that post, as I'm going to start reading Ms. Sayers' novels pretty soon.

375 DEZes  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:26:19pm

re: #361 calcajun

Have to clamp down on these glue puns soon.

Its a set up.

376 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:26:25pm

re: #370 Dan G.

We're bound to run out of them soon enough.

I'm sure we solvent the problem.

377 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:26:42pm

re: #367 Dianna

Even then, were I that sort of person.

The guy tried to turn it around on you and had the police on your doorstep - that would probably make me mad enough to sue - and I've never filed a suit in my life!

378 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:26:55pm

re: #361 calcajun

Have to clamp down on these glue puns soon.

Puns are becoming a staple on this blog.

379 eon  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:26:55pm

re: #374 mikalm

I'll disregard that post, as I'm going to start reading Ms. Sayers' novels pretty soon.

You will probably like them, so I'll shut up about the plots! ;-)

cheers

eon

380 96RoadKing  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:26:58pm

re: #358 Ojoe

Your post points again to the fact (IMHO) that a new, center party is needed, and very much so.

The problem with Centrists is they rarely get enthusiastic about politics until a couple of weeks before an election. Those leaning hard right or left never really get out of campaign mode, so the only solution is a third party, and the result from third party activity is that no matter who wins, their political base is still a minority.

381 Dianna  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:27:07pm

I'm out. Take care.

382 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:27:15pm

re: #355 itellu3times

wot now? choppers are moving around ... blue chopper takes up a westerly position, disturbing my peace ... never mind, gone.

Are you on the west side?
[Link: www.google.com...]

383 Dan G.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:27:24pm

re: #378 VegasRick

You've nailed it.

384 mj  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:27:41pm

re: #347 Charles

Terminator 2010: The rise of the Ron Paul clan.

Ron Paul’s Army Complicates GOP 2010 Hopes

From your link:

On Aug. 7, Connecticut investor Peter Schiff, a libertarian who manages Euro Pacific Capital, who advised Paul in his presidential bid, and has never run for office, raised $350,000 with a similar, web-driven campaign, pushing his total since launching an exploratory committee to $800,000. The effort got a boost from the Texas congressman himself, who told the members of his massive e-mail list that “our country needs Peter Schiff in Washington,” and that they could “go to [Link: www.Schiffathon.com...] right now and make a contribution.” The day that Rand Paul launched his campaign with a New York fundraiser, both candidates appeared on the Fox Business Channel; hours later, Schiff stopped by the fundraiser to make a donation.
“People got to know Rand during his father’s campaign,” explained Trevor Lyman, a web programmer who helped launch the Ron Paul campaign moneybombs and is working on the August 20 effort. “Peter Schiff and Rand Paul are both capable of attracting national media attention, and people think we have a chance to win in both races.”

Who is Peter Schiff?

Peter Schiff is the son of Irwin Schiff:

Irwin A. Schiff (born 1928) is a prominent figure in the tax protester movement. Schiff is known for writing and promoting literature that claims the United States income tax is applied incorrectly. He has lost several civil cases against the federal government and has a record of multiple convictions for various federal tax crimes. Schiff is serving a 13-plus year sentence for tax crimes (with his location listed as the Terre Haute Federal Correction Insitute as of April 21, 2009). His projected release date is 7 October 2016.[1] Irwin Schiff is also the father of stockbroker Peter Schiff, who is credited as a co-author of Irwin Schiff's 1985 book, "The Great Income Tax Hoax: Why You Can Immediately Stop Paying This Illegally Enforced Tax"...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

385 eon  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:28:12pm

I have to go, too.

Have a great evening, Lizards,

cheers

eon

386 J.S.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:28:23pm

re: #369 zombie

Some of the writers at huffPo sound angry and disappointed...(as I recall, there were some people last year who predicted that Obama's biggest threat -- politically -- would come from his own party members; if/when Obama failed to live up to the Leftist agendas...)

387 DEZes  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:28:26pm

re: #378 VegasRick

Puns are becoming a staple on this blog.

Oh well, screw it.

388 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:28:37pm

re: #369 zombie

Wow. This "Big Pharm" memo is crushing to Obama, totally catching him red-handed in a major lie. This is devastating to his credibility and to the chances of the health care bill.

But the really big news is that Huffington Post is the one blowing the whistle. The Honeymoon is most definitely O-ver!

HuffPo seems to be moderating lately. I suspect they're trying to transform themselves from an ideological echo chamber into a reputable news source. Probably with an eye toward some sort of broadcast venue.

I doubt they're actually moderating behind the scenes, but they're way too far off on the fringe at the moment to play on TV. An appearance of moderation helps get a foot in the door.

389 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:28:48pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

You.have.to.be.kidding.me?

They are still f-cking around with that idiot?

ugh.

In other news...THEY'RE COMING TO TAKE US AWAY!!! Ha Ha: National Guard drill at high school to prepare for possible H1N1 riot

390 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:28:52pm

re: #371 doppelganglander

Ah well, politics is compromise.

Anyway, for other Lizards, here is the bit about immigraion from the Whig Party Web Site:

Immigration

The Modern Whig Party understands the dual responsibility of securing our borders while also dealing realistically with those illegal immigrants already in the country. Many of our members are with the National Guard and have indicated a willingness to operate on our borders so long as a clearly defined mission is developed.

If somebody is in this country illegally, then he or she should be deported if caught. However, it is not realistic in terms of manpower and resources to attempt to hunt illegal immigrants down. We propose the following: Offer illegal immigrants the opportunity for citizenship if they join the military and serve out their initial contractual term honorably. This system already is in use for green card holders and has proven to be an absolute success. In fact, much of this proposal is based off of the highly applauded current framework. The illegal immigrants will not be entitled to jobs that require security clearances, but will be eligible for the GI Bill, Tricare and all other benefits afforded to US service members who serve honorably. This program also will include a background check and English-language classes if necessary. In this manner, any illegal immigrant ranging in age from 18 to 42 will receive job skills and educational benefits while they earn their citizenship in defense of our country. Of course this military path to citizenship would not apply to elderly or disabled illegal immigrants, but it does offer an opportunity to tens of thousands of illegal immigrants.

In respect to the orderly deportation of other illegal immigrants, we propose the following: A creation of ad-hoc immigration courts. Essentially, highly regarded immigration lawyers in varying parts of the country will be nominated and selected to serve as immigration judges. When a suspected illegal immigrant is caught, an ad-hoc court can quickly be convened in order to ensure fair proceedings. In this manner, we can significantly impact the current problem of immigration court backlog while at the same time empower local communities such as Prince William County in Virginia that wish to enforce immigration laws.

391 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:29:05pm

re: #369 zombie

The Honeymoon is most definitely O-ver!

I'm not ready to say that yet. Although the anti-healthcare takeover seems to have a lot of bi-partisan support, despite the MSM and others painting concerned citizens as right-wing nuts.

392 96RoadKing  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:29:09pm

re: #369 zombie

Wow. This "Big Pharm" memo is crushing to Obama, totally catching him red-handed in a major lie. This is devastating to his credibility and to the chances of the health care bill.

But the really big news is that Huffington Post is the one blowing the whistle. The Honeymoon is most definitely O-ver!


Personnally, I never thought O had any credibility...but it's nice to see so many others catching on, isn't it?

393 mikalm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:29:21pm

re: #381 Dianna

Bye Dianna!

394 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:29:25pm

re: #347 Charles

Terminator 2010: The rise of the Ron Paul clan.

Ron Paul’s Army Complicates GOP 2010 Hopes

IMHO, that's damage caused by the Tea Partiers. Grrr...

395 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:29:26pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

They're already pissed about the watered down healthcare bill and other stuff. I doubt they'll actually start sending death threats. Maybe a few small demonstrations someday but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

If Obama fails on their pet issues, it's going to happen. The far left got on board with him when he was expressing moderate viewpoints, because they assumed he was lying to get elected. They'll probably decide he's a puppet of the right wing masquerading as a progressive.

396 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:29:40pm

BBL

397 soxfan4life  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:30:16pm

re: #386 J.S.

Some of the writers at huffPo sound angry and disappointed...(as I recall, there were some people last year who predicted that Obama's biggest threat -- politically -- would come from his own party members; if/when Obama failed to live up to the Leftist agendas...)

No one eats their own faster than the American left.

398 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:30:17pm

Another Town Hall protester gets a visit with the Secret Service...
"Death to Obama" Sign Holder Detained by Secret Service

There were signs comparing President Barack Obama to a Nazi and showing him with an Adolf Hitler-style mustache, but federal officials believe another sign referencing the president and his family went too far.

A man who was holding a sign reading "Death to Obama" Wednesday outside a town hall meeting on health care reform in Hagerstown, Md., has been turned over to the Secret Service.

Washington County Sheriff's Capt. Peter Lazich said the sign also read, "Death to Michelle and her two stupid kids."


Lovely.
/

399 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:30:23pm

re: #348 doppelganglander

Oh, but there are those on the left who are trying to gin up a zeal for the real thing:

Youtube Video
400 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:30:32pm

re: #347 Charles

Terminator 2010: The rise of the Ron Paul clan.

Ron Paul’s Army Complicates GOP 2010 Hopes

Holy crap. Rand Paul/Sean Penn, separated at birth?

401 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:31:28pm

re: #398 Killgore Trout

Another Town Hall protester gets a visit with the Secret Service...
"Death to Obama" Sign Holder Detained by Secret Service


Lovely.
/

Extremism is breeding extremism. Interesting times fer sure.

402 callahan23  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:31:31pm

re: #376 calcajun

I'm sure we solvent SoylentTMGreen the problem.

Fixed that (sort of) for you. %-)

403 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:31:37pm

re: #394 wrenchwench

IMHO, that's damage caused by the Tea Partiers. Grrr...

Yup. The Tea Party thing has been a conduit for a lot of bad stuff.

404 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:31:53pm

re: #398 Killgore Trout

Well he should get more than a visit.,,, handcuffs, in that case.
Silly and stupid, and I bet the left is printing copies as fast as they can to make sure there are more of them.

405 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:31:55pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

Because it's dull and would require analysis to discuss what impact it would have. People wouldn't watch it.

Now that is funny.

406 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:31:59pm

re: #399 tradewind

Oh, but there are those on the left who are trying to gin up a zeal for the real thing:

[Video]

TW ... I.can.not.stand.Ed.Schultz ... he is a big jerk ... during the primaries he just ... all I can say here is made me want to vomit ...

407 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:32:18pm

re: #386 J.S.

Some of the writers at huffPo sound angry and disappointed...(as I recall, there were some people last year who predicted that Obama's biggest threat -- politically -- would come from his own party members; if/when Obama failed to live up to the Leftist agendas...)

This is more than a failure to live up to it; this is a flat-out toss into the wastebasket and an embracing of Corporate America's capitalist interests. It's as bad, in their eyes, as Anakin Skywalker taking the job with the Emperor.

408 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:32:58pm

re: #388 SixDegrees

HuffPo seems to be moderating lately. I suspect they're trying to transform themselves from an ideological echo chamber into a reputable news source.

There's a difference nowadays?

409 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:33:22pm

re: #395 doppelganglander

If Obama fails on their pet issues, it's going to happen. The far left got on board with him when he was expressing moderate viewpoints, because they assumed he was lying to get elected. They'll probably decide he's a puppet of the right wing masquerading as a progressive.

Well, I don't know. A few weeks ago, i was told by a progressive here on LGF that he was lying to his progressive base about his far left views.

And then imply that the progressives though he may have been lying to the moderates.

Lying to the left moderates, lying to the far-left progressives (nee: Socialist) and in general to the who country.

This guy is going to crash and burn big time.

Next meme, he's failing because conservatives are racists.

410 soxfan4life  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:33:35pm

re: #406 JacksonTn

TW ... I.can.not.stand.Ed.Schultz ... he is a big jerk ... during the primaries he just ... all I can say here is made me want to vomit ...

Ed Schultz is a good example of whats wrong with the Democratic Partyoxygen thief.

411 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:33:52pm

re: #406 JacksonTn

I know.
He makes Beck look clear-eyed and sane.

412 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:34:09pm

re: #408 Russkilitlover

There's a difference nowadays?

Not so much. But success on the Little Screen still requires an appeal to the center, if only to get your foot in the door and demonstrate broad demographic appeal.

413 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:34:10pm

re: #403 Killgore Trout

Yup. The Tea Party thing has been a conduit for a lot of bad stuff.

And MJ at #384 shows the connections (or some of them.)

414 96RoadKing  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:34:19pm

re: #397 soxfan4life

No one eats their own faster than the American left.


Except the American Right. They're piranhas!

415 mj  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:34:20pm

re: #406 JacksonTn

TW ... I.can.not.stand.Ed.Schultz ... he is a big jerk ... during the primaries he just ... all I can say here is made me want to vomit ...

The only one on MSNBC who didn't want to make me vomit was Dan Abrams who was let go. Abrams was the only one on that network was isn't an Israel basher, or, in the case of Matthews and Buchanan, and outright Jew-hater.

416 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:34:25pm

re: #398 Killgore Trout

Another Town Hall protester gets a visit with the Secret Service...
"Death to Obama" Sign Holder Detained by Secret Service

Undoubtedly a plant.

/

417 Kragar  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:34:37pm

"a sea change in government privacy policy"

Since 2000, it has been the policy of the federal government not to use such technology. But the OMB is now seeking to change that policy and is considering the use of cookies for tracking web visitors across multiple sessions and storing their unique preferences and surfing habits. Though this is a major shift in policy, the announcement of this program consists of only a single page from the federal register that contains almost no detail.

“This is a sea change in government privacy policy,” said Michael Macleod-Ball, Acting Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. “Without explaining this reversal of policy, the OMB is seeking to allow the mass collection of personal information of every user of a federal government website. Until the OMB answers the multitude of questions surrounding this policy shift, we will continue to raise our strenuous objections.”

418 lincolntf  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:34:49pm

re: #369 zombie

Lefties must have always subconsciously known that they'd be betrayed by Obama in the end. Whether they really care about his skeevy inside deals remains to be seen.
They already have the power, what use are principles now?

419 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:34:53pm

re: #277 buzzsawmonkey

It's Dumont.

20 seconds of hilarity:

Youtube Video
420 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:34:56pm

yak yak yak
like an old lady
and never really says much


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

421 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:35:33pm

re: #417 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"a sea change in government privacy policy"

Gawd, this is hard but here goes...GOOD FOR YOU ACLU!

422 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:35:39pm

re: #416 Charles

Undoubtedly a plant.

/

Maybe not.
/

423 J.S.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:35:54pm

re: #407 SixDegrees

yes, with some there appears to be a sense of betrayal (one is even asking "who is Obama? who is he, really?" etc.)

424 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:36:44pm

re: #420 albusteve

yak yak yak
like an old lady
and never really says much

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

albusteve ... there was a poll somewhere today not sure where I read it (of course not as good as the Super Duper Poll Guy Nate) ... but it said that dang cannot remember the number now ... anyway ... it was large number of polled want to see LESS of Obama on television ... go figure ...

425 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:36:46pm

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

Well, I don't know. A few weeks ago, i was told by a progressive here on LGF that he was lying to his progressive base about his far left views.

And then imply that the progressives though he may have been lying to the moderates.

Lying to the left moderates, lying to the far-left progressives (nee: Socialist) and in general to the who country.

This guy is going to crash and burn big time.

Next meme, he's failing because conservatives are racists.

Interesting. It's as if everybody heard what they wanted to hear from him, rather than what he was actually saying.

426 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:37:15pm

re: #416 Charles

Undoubtedly a plant.

/

An inside job so politicians won't have to andwer questions about healthcare reform!

427 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:37:40pm

Apparently, the "protesters" have been really demonized now by Harry Reid:

They're Evil-Mongers!

428 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:38:00pm

re: #390 Ojoe

It's the military as a path to citizenship that I don't care for. It's the military, not a social program. The immigration courts are not a half bad idea, though. But I don't see anything in there about eVerify, cracking down on employers who hire illegal workers, deporting criminals first, and generally making it uncomfortable for illegal aliens and encouraging them to go home of their own volition. If they add some of that language to the platform, I might give them a second look.

429 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:38:08pm

Why has Obama's complete and utter fabrication re the endorsement of this plan by AARP been just greased right over? Where's the outrage?
Picture Dubya repeating the same big fat one.

430 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:38:15pm

Seared rack of lamb with Garlic and Sea salt on the grill now -- the way to do it right is ten to fifteen minutes per side until a couple inches of the bone have charred completely black.

431 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:38:15pm

re: #425 reine.de.tout

Interesting. It's as if everybody heard what they wanted to hear from him, rather than what he was actually saying.

Reine ... Hey ... and wasn't there something in one of his books about people projecting what they wanted him to be onto him ... cannot remember exact words ... must ask Avanti as he read the books ...

432 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:38:30pm

re: #424 JacksonTn

albusteve ... there was a poll somewhere today not sure where I read it (of course not as good as the Super Duper Poll Guy Nate) ... but it said that dang cannot remember the number now ... anyway ... it was large number of polled want to see LESS of Obama on television ... go figure ...

I saw that on FOX in their ticker. I think it was 73%.

433 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:39:52pm

re: #430 Thanos

Seared rack of lamb with Garlic and Sea salt on the grill now -- the way to do it right is ten to fifteen minutes per side until a couple inches of the bone have charred completely black.

I've got a very nice Cab to go with that...

Rack of lamb is one of my faves, and for something that sounds so fancy, it's one of the easiest and fastest things to make!

434 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:39:54pm

re: #424 JacksonTn

albusteve ... there was a poll somewhere today not sure where I read it (of course not as good as the Super Duper Poll Guy Nate) ... but it said that dang cannot remember the number now ... anyway ... it was large number of polled want to see LESS of Obama on television ... go figure ...

he just continues to reach...he's fundamentally blind to America...not surprising considering his background

435 soxfan4life  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:39:59pm

re: #429 tradewind

Why has Obama's complete and utter fabrication re the endorsement of this plan by AARP been just greased right over? Where's the outrage?
Picture Dubya repeating the same big fat one.

It's our job to make sure this Presidency is successful- Chris Matthews

436 callahan23  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:40:25pm

re: #425 reine.de.tout

Interesting. It's as if everybody heard what they wanted to hear from him, rather than what he was actually saying.

A lala-land for everybody - A fairy, unicorn and rainbow phantasy for all the CHANGE addicted.

437 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:40:32pm

re: #427 calcajun

Reid wouldn't know a mongerer from a mung bean.

438 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:41:07pm

re: #435 soxfan4life

It's our job to make sure this Presidency is successful- Chris Matthews

Sox .. yeah and Chris was wanting to run for senate too ... how is that working out for you Chris? ... jerk ...

439 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:41:09pm

re: #398 Killgore Trout

Another Town Hall protester gets a visit with the Secret Service...
"Death to Obama" Sign Holder Detained by Secret Service


Lovely.
/

Now there's a guy who clearly needed a good talking to from the men in black. Isn't it great they got so much practice in the last 8 years detaining people carrying "Death to Bush" signs?

440 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:41:16pm

re: #430 Thanos

Seared rack of lamb with Garlic and Sea salt on the grill now -- the way to do it right is ten to fifteen minutes per side until a couple inches of the bone have charred completely black.

That sounds yummy... Believe it or not..I have never eaten lamb...Never appealed to me...

441 callahan23  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:41:41pm

re: #431 JacksonTn

Reine ... Hey ... and wasn't there something in one of his books about people projecting what they wanted him to be onto him ... cannot remember exact words ... must ask Avanti as he read the books ...

Avanti actually dished out money for HIS books ?
/

442 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:42:10pm

re: #440 HoosierHoops

That sounds yummy... Believe it or not..I have never eaten lamb...Never appealed to me...

HH ... lamb is okay ... my parents cooked it all the time ... but the mint jelly is just weird ...

443 soxfan4life  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:42:19pm

re: #437 tradewind

Reid wouldn't know a mongerer from a mung bean.

What else would you expect from the guy who is the leader for John Kerry,Ted Kennedy, Chris Dodd, et al.

444 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:42:19pm
The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

Why do I think this isn't the type of transparency Barack was talking about during the campaign? Rahm must be throwing a screaming fit right about now.

445 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:42:23pm

re: #440 HoosierHoops

That sounds yummy... Believe it or not..I have never eaten lamb...Never appealed to me...

just a very large opossum

446 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:42:33pm

re: #431 JacksonTn

Reine ... Hey ... and wasn't there something in one of his books about people projecting what they wanted him to be onto him ... cannot remember exact words ... must ask Avanti as he read the books ...

Virginia Postrel has written several articles about Obamaglam - people see what they want to see in him. Keep in mind there is "evil" glamour as well -- so some might be projecting evil that's not there just as some are projecting good that's not there...
In the articles she compares what people say about Obama's plans with what he actually says, and points out that what they were seeing wasn't in what he said.

447 Mr. Sandman  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:42:38pm

Of course, the import of this deal is that Obama is being too corporatist/right-wing in barring negotiation for lower drug prices in government purchases from the companies. There really is no benefit in terms of policy for such a deal. I will say that if he's doing this to avoid a fight on another front with the Pharmaceutical companies against a solid public option in the health insurance reform plan, and a solid public option eventually becomes part of the passed bill, then this deal would likely have been "worth it," as pointless as large a giveaway to the companies it is. My fear however is that Obama, despite insisting he "favors" a public option and despite his clear understanding of why it is so essential in his answers to questions and speeches, is secretly against the public option (for fear of turning off health insurance donors), and secretly wants to kill, all the while making it look like he "wanted" it all along but "what can you do." If that happens, then this deal in light of that is just a further unwarranted corporatist deal and it would be hard to view Obama as anything but a disgrace at that point; I'd likely stop bothering to defend him politically at that point.

448 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:42:41pm

re: #425 reine.de.tout

Interesting. It's as if everybody heard what they wanted to hear from him, rather than what he was actually saying.

How could anyone know what Barry was (and is) actually saying. A lot of his major points are a lie. Recent examples.

1) Todays revelation that they have made deals with the drug companies, yet Gibbs and all have been denying it.
2) “Well, first of all, another myth that we've been hearing about is this notion that somehow we're going to be cutting your Medicare benefits. We are not. AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare, okay?” This is a lie, AARP has not endorsed any proposal.
3) He denies single-payer is part of his plan, yet in 2003 he lays the whole plan out. “I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

On top of all of those examples above, then, when we start publicly talking about it, he tells us to shut up "But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."

This guy is batting ZERO.

449 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:42:50pm

UK cancer treatment in action:
Scotland is going to let the Pan Am 103 bomber free. He's dying from prostate cancer ( your odds of a cure in Europe are way lower than in the US), and their idea of treatment is 'compassionate release '.
The pxs he blew up were released in a most compassionless manner.

450 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:43:12pm

re: #429 tradewind

Why has Obama's complete and utter fabrication re the endorsement of this plan by AARP been just greased right over? Where's the outrage?
Picture Dubya repeating the same big fat one.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

451 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:43:36pm

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

Well, I don't know. A few weeks ago, i was told by a progressive here on LGF that he was lying to his progressive base about his far left views.

And then imply that the progressives though he may have been lying to the moderates.

Lying to the left moderates, lying to the far-left progressives (nee: Socialist) and in general to the who country.

This guy is going to crash and burn big time.

Next meme, he's failing because conservatives are racists.


At least everyone can agree that he's a liar. Isn't it nice when people come together?

As to the conservatives as racists, hell, that one's been out there since day one.

452 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:43:51pm

re: #433 Russkilitlover

I've got a very nice Cab to go with that...

Rack of lamb is one of my faves, and for something that sounds so fancy, it's one of the easiest and fastest things to make!

really...is lamb a lean meat? I heard most people eat it almost raw with mint sauce...

453 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:44:17pm

re: #449 tradewind

UK cancer treatment in action:
Scotland is going to let the Pan Am 103 bomber free. He's dying from prostate cancer ( your odds of a cure in Europe are way lower than in the US), and their idea of treatment is 'compassionate release '.
The pxs he blew up were released in a most compassionless manner.

Only punishment worthy of his sorry ass - let him rot from his cancer - no treatment at all.

454 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:44:22pm

re: #452 HoosierHoops

really...is lamb a lean meat? I heard most people eat it almost raw with mint sauce...

And the problem is? :)

455 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:44:27pm

re: #244 lobo91

Not much ADA around anymore, especially in Colorado Springs.

I'm a USAR SGM, by the way.

There is plenty of ADA still around, though no longer at Fort Carson. The last was the 1/44, which moved to Fort Hood in the late 90s.

456 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:44:50pm

re: #451 doppelganglander

At least everyone can agree that he's a liar. Isn't it nice when people come together?

As to the conservatives as racists, hell, that one's been out there since day one.

DG ... what?!? ... you have got to be kidding ...

/

457 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:44:54pm
458 lobo91  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:45:11pm

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

This guy is going to crash and burn big time.

Next meme, he's failing because conservatives are racists.

I think they're already starting to use that one.

We've already heard that Republicans in Congress are keeping them from passing their bills. If they can't even do the math required to figure out that it's impossible for the Republicans to keep them from doing anything, I don't see how anyone would trust their projections on how much money their scheme is going to save us on health care costs a decade from now.

459 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:45:12pm

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

If ABC's idea of a ' senior moment' is a bald-faced lie, yeah.

460 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:45:27pm

re: #452 HoosierHoops

really...is lamb a lean meat? I heard most people eat it almost raw with mint sauce...

The method above it's pink in the center but not red, seared with great flavor on the outside, and you don't need mint sauce because it tastes great.

461 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:46:03pm

re: #452 HoosierHoops

really...is lamb a lean meat? I heard most people eat it almost raw with mint sauce...

Lamb is a red meat. Not very lean. Yes, rare lamb is most common, but I like mine med-rare because I like a nice seared and crispy crust. Mint sauce is so 1960's housewife idea of cuisine. Stuff's nasty - especially on such a delicate and flavorful meat like lambb.

462 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:46:09pm

re: #431 JacksonTn

Reine ... Hey ... and wasn't there something in one of his books about people projecting what they wanted him to be onto him ... cannot remember exact words ... must ask Avanti as he read the books ...

Jax'n hi -
I'm not sure if it was in one of his books.
But I read that somewhere, in an interview with somebody who had had dealings with him - while they were with him, they were convinced he agreed with everything they said, but once they left, they weren't able to say exactly where he stood. I call it the "edwin edwards" school of politics, because EE had the exact same effect on people I know who dealt with him.

463 HelloDare  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:46:14pm

Obama was doing a sting on Big Pharm ... yeah that's the ticket. /

464 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:46:46pm

re: #456 JacksonTn

DG ... what?!? ... you have got to be kidding ...

/

I was about to ask what you meant, then I saw the sarc tag.

465 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:46:49pm
466 soxfan4life  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:47:19pm

re: #458 lobo91

I think they're already starting to use that one.

We've already heard that Republicans in Congress are keeping them from passing their bills. If they can't even do the math required to figure out that it's impossible for the Republicans to keep them from doing anything, I don't see how anyone would trust their projections on how much money their scheme is going to save us on health care costs a decade from now.

Unless they are giving the figures in FIAT dollars any projections in 10 years have nothing to back them up.

467 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:48:08pm

Dang! I come to LGF hoping to get all fired up about issues and 9 times out of 10 I just wind up...hungry. BBL

468 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:48:13pm

The news is up on Huffington because the left also is feeling betrayed. Obama has corporatist (economic fascist) tendencies to create "private-public" partnerships with the big boys, giving them the inside track in dealings with government-control parts of the economy. Think Immelt and General Electric. That's a page out of Mussolini's economic playbook, not to mention the "Austrian-German guy whose name mustn't be mentioned because we're then into the genocide tirade". From a purely economic perspective, these deals are fascist.

469 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:48:25pm

re: #462 reine.de.tout

Jax'n hi -
I'm not sure if it was in one of his books.
But I read that somewhere, in an interview with somebody who had had dealings with him - while they were with him, they were convinced he agreed with everything they said, but once they left, they weren't able to say exactly where he stood. I call it the "edwin edwards" school of politics, because EE had the exact same effect on people I know who dealt with him.

Amity Schlaes makes the same point about FDR in "The Forgotten Man." I think it's a common quality in people who lack core principles.

470 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:48:27pm

re: #444 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Why do I think this isn't the type of transparency Barack was talking about during the campaign? Rahm must be throwing a screaming fit right about now.

Well someone should be.

471 yesandno  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:48:36pm

How are you gonna get them down on the PHARMa after theyv'e seen Paris the Chicago boys in the White House?

472 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:48:49pm

re: #462 reine.de.tout

Jax'n hi -
I'm not sure if it was in one of his books.
But I read that somewhere, in an interview with somebody who had had dealings with him - while they were with him, they were convinced he agreed with everything they said, but once they left, they weren't able to say exactly where he stood. I call it the "edwin edwards" school of politics, because EE had the exact same effect on people I know who dealt with him.

Reine .. yep ... smooth talkers ... oh, wait ... slimy smooth talkers ... Eddie you sly devil ... is he still in jail? ... I broke down in Crowley once ... great food at a little restaurant I waited at for the tow truck ...

473 J.S.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:49:12pm

re: #446 Thanos

It comes from "The Audacity of Hope", the Prologue..."I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all, of them." link.

474 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:49:46pm

re: #470 Silvergirl

Well someone should be.

who's the meat?...I figure there is a decap in the works

475 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:49:48pm

re: #444 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Why do I think this isn't the type of transparency Barack was talking about during the campaign? Rahm must be throwing a screaming fit right about now.

Can't wait until that's leaked to YouTube.

476 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:49:54pm

re: #469 doppelganglander

Upding for Amity!

477 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:50:03pm

re: #467 Russkilitlover

Dang! I come to LGF hoping to get all fired up about issues and 9 times out of 10 I just wind up...hungry. BBL

When the topic is lamb and mint jelly, it's an effective appetite suppressant for me.

478 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:50:28pm

re: #461 Russkilitlover

Lamb is a red meat. Not very lean. Yes, rare lamb is most common, but I like mine med-rare because I like a nice seared and crispy crust. Mint sauce is so 1960's housewife idea of cuisine. Stuff's nasty - especially on such a delicate and flavorful meat like lambb.

Thanks for the insite.. Next time we are at a fancy joint I'll order the lamb to at least say I tried it...I'm the world's pickiest eater...Just a personal thing..
I'm not saying I wouldn't write a letter to the editor claiming Dunking Donuts in run by Satan worshipers... *wink*

479 Syrah  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:50:53pm

re: #458 lobo91

I think they're already starting to use that one.

We've already heard that Republicans in Congress are keeping them from passing their bills. If they can't even do the math required to figure out that it's impossible for the Republicans to keep them from doing anything, I don't see how anyone would trust their projections on how much money their scheme is going to save us on health care costs a decade from now.

I have had fun with that one.

Co-worker asked me I thought that the Republicans could stop the Obama-care bill.

I reminded him that the Democrats have the overwhelming majority of both the house and the Senate. No Republican vote was needed. If the bill has any problems getting passed, its because the Democrats can't get enough Democrats to vote for it.

480 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:50:56pm

re: #465 buzzsawmonkey

Marie Dressler, not Margaret Dumont, but worth all the upding I can give anyway.

We were deliberately mixing up people and I just love that clip.

481 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:50:58pm

re: #474 albusteve

who's the meat?...I figure there is a decap in the works

Off with his head?

482 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:51:11pm

re: #476 quickjustice

Upding for Amity!

Thank you! That book was just genius, wasn't it?

483 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:51:49pm

re: #482 doppelganglander

I've met Amity, and my copy is autographed!

484 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:52:11pm

re: #473 J.S.

It comes from "The Audacity of Hope", the Prologue..."I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all, of them." link.

Blank Screen is right. He's a cipher.

485 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:52:11pm

Obamamaniacal health care
Had much of the land in a wealth scare.
But never you mind.
Lobbyism is blind.
Pharma's shown us again how plain stealth's fair.

486 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:52:15pm

re: #473 J.S.

It comes from "The Audacity of Hope", the Prologue..."I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all, of them." link.

Thunderous success there, fella!

487 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:53:31pm

re: #483 quickjustice

I've met Amity, and my copy is autographed!

I am jealous! My daughter has an autographed copy of "Liberal Fascism;" she treasures it so much, I had to go buy my own copy.

488 J.S.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:53:41pm

re: #486 debutaunt

sort of funny, isn't it...lol...

489 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:54:28pm

re: #473 J.S.

It comes from "The Audacity of Hope", the Prologue..."I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all, of them." link.

JS ... thanks ... I knew I heard it somewhere ... he already disappointed me ... before he even WON ... guess the jury is still out on the rest ...

490 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:54:38pm

re: #472 JacksonTn

Reine .. yep ... smooth talkers ... oh, wait ... slimy smooth talkers ... Eddie you sly devil ... is he still in jail? ... I broke down in Crowley once ... great food at a little restaurant I waited at for the tow truck ...

Yes, he's still in prison.

491 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:55:22pm

re: #462 reine.de.tout

Edwin only agreed with you so long as you agreed to pay his price.

492 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:55:47pm

re: #490 reine.de.tout

Yes, he's still in prison.

Reine ... is he at Angola? probably not ... I bet he is looking rough and he was such a vain guy ... he just thought he was so pretty ...

493 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:56:05pm

re: #490 reine.de.tout

Bill Clinton's spiritual Sherpa.

494 opnion  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:56:18pm

re: #424 JacksonTn

albusteve ... there was a poll somewhere today not sure where I read it (of course not as good as the Super Duper Poll Guy Nate) ... but it said that dang cannot remember the number now ... anyway ... it was large number of polled want to see LESS of Obama on television ... go figure ...

We have never had a President so full of himself. He constantly punishes America with endless prime time drivel.
His last presser it took him something like 12 minutes of giberish & still no answer. The only snappy answer that he had was for Lyn Sweet , who in my opnion was a plant, saying that the Camridge Police acted stupidly.

495 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:56:29pm

re: #491 calcajun

Edwin only agreed with you so long as you agreed to pay his price.

And even then you couldn't be really sure.

496 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:56:46pm

re: #491 calcajun

Edwin only agreed with you so long as you agreed to pay his price.

Calcajun ... or you could just let him win EVERY single hand at poker ...

497 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:56:50pm

That deal with Big Pharma was no secret. The negotiations were televised for all Americans on that open forum and debate that Obama promised would take place on C-Span.

Oh...wait.

498 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:56:51pm

re: #494 opnion

We have never had a President so full of himself. He constantly punishes America with endless prime time drivel.
His last presser it took him something like 12 minutes of giberish & still no answer. The only snappy answer that he had was for Lyn Sweet , who in my opnion was a plant, saying that the Camridge Police acted stupidly.

the Ultimate Troll

499 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:57:25pm

re: #492 JacksonTn

Reine ... is he at Angola? probably not ... I bet he is looking rough and he was such a vain guy ... he just thought he was so pretty ...

No, not Angola, he's in a federal prison in Texas, I think.

500 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:58:34pm

People who think of Jonah Goldberg as an intellectual have my deepest sympathy.

501 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:58:53pm

re: #499 reine.de.tout

No, not Angola, he's in a federal prison in Texas, I think.

Nope, he's back in Louisiana:

In 2001 he was sentenced to ten years in prison on racketeering charges. Edwards began serving his sentence in October 2002 in Ft. Worth Texas, and was later transferred to an Oakdale, Louisiana, facility.
502 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:59:12pm

re: #500 Cato the Elder

People who think of Jonah Goldberg as an intellectual have my deepest sympathy.

And you have mine.

503 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:59:25pm

Forget Big Pharm, heeere's Big Daddy! I am sooo going to collect on those bets I made months ago...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

504 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:59:26pm

re: #440 HoosierHoops

That sounds yummy... Believe it or not..I have never eaten lamb...Never appealed to me...

I hadn't eaten lamb in years, but last night I made Moroccan lamb tagine. It was awesome!

505 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:59:41pm

re: #500 Cato the Elder

People who think of Jonah Goldberg as an intellectual have my deepest sympathy.

Didn't say he was. It's a work of popular history, not a doctoral dissertation.

506 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:59:48pm

re: #501 reine.de.tout

Reine ... I have family there .. wonder if they let him out on garbage detail to the casino near there .. he would love that ...

507 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:00:16pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

Worried that you may not get your socialist health care system now?

And let me come clean here. I can't afford health care insurance of any sort. I would be one of those who would benefit greatly from a government sponsored health care system. I'm 56, under-employed, can't find work in my professional field anymore, I fit the whole profile of someone who Obama would "love" to help.

I don't want one ounce of help from a government sponsored health care plan. That concept is so far removed from the ideological foundations of this country that's it's frightening.

The other day drcordell snarked me because I said how much I paid for my insurance. He said it was because I was in kansas. Later, in listening to more of the debate, it was pointed out that competition helps, like buying Geico from any state for car insurance, wouldn't it be good to be able to buy some cheap insurance from Kansas? I am 60, and pay $147 per month. Course have 5000 deductible. I figure you either pay high premiums or pay if you use the insurance.

508 opnion  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:00:17pm

re: #498 albusteve

the Ultimate Troll


I think so, Lyn Sweet is with the CHICAGO Sun Times.
BHO called on her last & she tosses that question at a Health Care press conference? To me Obama looked so please with himself that he could defend his good friend Skippy & insult an Irish cop.

509 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:00:53pm

re: #500 Cato the Elder

People who think of Jonah Goldberg as an intellectual have my deepest sympathy.

not me, I'm tired of windy, pointless, self indulgent intellectualism...it's way over rated...it's masterbatory don't you think?

510 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:00:55pm

re: #442 JacksonTn

HH ... lamb is okay ... my parents cooked it all the time ... but the mint jelly is just weird ...

I like chewier meat. Lamb and veal both have that very mealy fine-grained texture, which I find vaguely gross.

511 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:01:37pm

re: #504 Alouette

I hadn't eaten lamb in years, but last night I made Moroccan lamb tagine. It was awesome!

I eat more lamb than I do beef. If you shop around you can find shanks and boneless leg of lamb pretty cheap. Shanks work great for tagine.

512 JacksonTn  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:01:48pm

re: #509 albusteve

not me, I'm tired of windy, pointless, self indulgent intellectualism...it's way over rated...it's masterbatory don't you think?

albusteve ... stop it ... you will make him start thinking of Sarah ...

513 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:01:52pm

re: #504 Alouette

I hadn't eaten lamb in years, but last night I made Moroccan lamb tagine. It was awesome!

Wow..That sounds good and I don't even know what it is...
Hope you are well tonight...And your family is doing great

514 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:01:54pm

re: #509 albusteve

not me, I'm tired of windy, pointless, self indulgent intellectualism...it's way over rated...it's masterbatory don't you think?

Are you callin' me a Master Baiter?

515 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:02:01pm

re: #492 JacksonTn

Reine ... is he at Angola? probably not ... I bet he is looking rough and he was such a vain guy ... he just thought he was so pretty ...

Wiki has some interesting info. He apparently considered being a preacher (heh!). And one of his fave local media folks was my dad's boss:

The young Edwards had originally planned on a career as a preacher. As a young man, he did some preaching for the Church of the Nazarene. He served briefly in the Navy Air Corps near the end of World War II. After his return, he graduated from Louisiana State University law school at age 21 and began practicing law in Crowley, Louisiana in 1949, moving there after his sister Audrey (who had moved there with her husband) told him there were few French-speaking attorneys in town.
Edwards’ career was thus helped by his being bilingual and articulate in both English and Cajun French. He learned to cultivate the goodwill of the media, both working reporters and editorial page editors. One of his favorites was Adras LaBorde, longtime managing editor of the Alexandria Daily Town Talk. LaBorde even influenced Edwards in regard to environmental policy.

516 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:02:59pm

I appears that another socialist didn't want to answer questions from the public sectors.

It seems that Sheila Jackson Lee, at her recent town hall meeting, was talking on he cell phone while someone was trying to ask her a question (video) ...

Youtube Video

Well, some one called her on it, and, following the lead of Barry the lier, she proceeded to try her best NOT to answer a reporters question and lie to him...

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

Oh, by the way, the reporter was from CNN. The MSM is going to get fed up with the left really fast.

Obama and his minions are tanking.

517 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:03:00pm
518 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:03:17pm

re: #512 JacksonTn

albusteve ... stop it ... you will make him start thinking of Sarah ...

he never stops thinking of Sarah...it's a different kind of love for sure

519 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:03:24pm

re: #512 JacksonTn

albusteve ... stop it ... you will make him start thinking of Sarah ...

Thanks. You sure know how to kill a...

Never mind.

520 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:03:27pm

re: #510 SanFranciscoZionist

Like tongue? Had that once and that was enough.

Beef tongue you perverts. I've already been the butt of your humor alread... Oh...never mind.//

521 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:04:07pm

re: #172 keithgabryelski

I hope you lead an uninteresting life, as it relates to your relationship with your health. (That may seem snarky, it isn't... I hope for the best for you and I like the phrasing).

Honest question: do you plan on using Medicare at age 65?

Honest answer. When you are 65, you don't have a choice.

522 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:04:07pm

re: #514 Cato the Elder

Are you callin' me a Master Baiter?

I was thinking of someone else you simpleton

523 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:04:21pm

re: #510 SanFranciscoZionist

I like chewier meat. Lamb and veal both have that very mealy fine-grained texture, which I find vaguely gross.

I'd vote for a civilian police force to stand outside of McDonalds and arrest anyone within a 100 feet...
*wink*

524 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:04:30pm
525 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:05:19pm

White House Blog
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18TH, 2009 AT 9:36 AM
Help for homeowners

The President’s strategy for economic recovery is a stool with several legs, as he’s said, and one of them is solving the foreclosure crisis.

"We must stem the spread of foreclosures and falling home values for all Americans, and do everything we can to help responsible homeowners stay in their homes," he said yesterday as he signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law.

Home foreclosure filings up more than 100 percent in Seattle area

Home foreclosure filings in the greater Seattle area increased 115 percent in July compared to the same period last year, according to data released Thursday.

Filings in Washington state were up 94 percent from July of this year compared to the same month last year, according to RealtyTrac. The online service tracks foreclosure filings, which are default notices, scheduled auctions and bank repossessions. In King County, such filings were up 148 percent compared to July of last year.

With a track record of success like this, sure let's turn health care over too!

526 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:05:27pm

Didn't Obama's lies start with his pledge to take public financing during the campaing, and when he backed out the MSM supported his bullshit reasoning.

527 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:06:19pm

re: #505 doppelganglander

Didn't say he was. It's a work of popular history, not a doctoral dissertation.

A popular work of mental dystrophy, you mean.

528 Syrah  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:06:24pm

re: #516 Walter L. Newton

The MSM is going to get fed up with the left really fast.

It won't be like the MSM will treat them like Republicans anytime soon. The Republicans will still be the default bad-guys.

529 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:06:56pm

re: #519 Cato the Elder

Thanks. You sure know how to kill a...

Never mind.

just checking my score card...
I think I'll quit right here

530 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:07:02pm

re: #501 reine.de.tout
One of my first roommates after college was from Oakdale. She was hilarious. Lugged a 25 lb sack of rice into our apartment with her luggage.

531 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:07:28pm

re: #520 calcajun

Like tongue? Had that once and that was enough.

Beef tongue you perverts. I've already been the butt of your humor alread... Oh...never mind.//

I grew up surrounded by old Jewish laides, so tongue was occasionally on the menu. It does have that texture too, and I don't like it much.

Of course, my students sometimes try to gross me out by telling me about 'lengua', which for some reason they figure Anglos don't eat and don't know about. I disappoint them.

532 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:07:43pm

re: #516 Walter L. Newton

I appears that another socialist didn't want to answer questions from the public sectors.

It seems that Sheila Jackson Lee, at her recent town hall meeting, was talking on he cell phone while someone was trying to ask her a question (video) ...


[Video]Well, some one called her on it, and, following the lead of Barry the lier, she proceeded to try her best NOT to answer a reporters question and lie to him...

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

Oh, by the way, the reporter was from CNN. The MSM is going to get fed up with the left really fast.

Obama and his minions are tanking.

Did you see Patterico's coverage of one particular questioner at Queen Sheila's town hall? She identified herself as a physician, but she's actually a student in social work. She's also a former Texas delegate for Obama. Be sure to read all the updates.

533 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:07:44pm

re: #528 Syrah

It won't be like the MSM will treat them like Republicans anytime soon. The Republicans will still be the default bad-guys.

Hmmm, maybe. The conservatives certainly won't be the MSM's favorite, but the socialist are starting to get on their nerves.

534 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:07:47pm
535 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:08:22pm

re: #527 Cato the Elder

A popular work of mental dystrophy, you mean.

I'm not going to argue with you about it. It must be very lonely being so brilliant. And no, that's not sarcasm.

536 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:08:23pm

re: #530 tradewind

One of my first roommates after college was from Oakdale. She was hilarious. Lugged a 25 lb sack of rice into our apartment with her luggage.

hahahaha!
I'm not surprised, not one bit.

537 callahan23  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:08:29pm

Tomorrow's another day.
C y'all !
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!

538 opnion  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:08:34pm

re: #516 Walter L. Newton
Walter Sheila Jackson Lee wanted to see the Americnan falg that we planted on Mars.
While our "Progressive " friends like to attack the intellect of those that they do not agree with, I bet that they think that she is an intellectual.

539 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:09:14pm

re: #530 tradewind

One of my first roommates after college was from Oakdale. She was hilarious. Lugged a 25 lb sack of rice into our apartment with her luggage.

I need more rice...

Actually, what I want is one of those fuzzy logic rice cookers that are smarter than I am.

540 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:09:37pm

re: #532 doppelganglander

Did you see Patterico's coverage of one particular questioner at Queen Sheila's town hall? She identified herself as a physician, but she's actually a student in social work. She's also a former Texas delegate for Obama. Be sure to read all the updates.

Yes, I posted that above, or somewhere here today. I have a slew of Barry's lies and outright reversals of topics bookmarked. He's loosing ground.

Keep shouting out.

541 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:09:44pm

re: #531 SanFranciscoZionist

I grew up surrounded by old Jewish laides, so tongue was occasionally on the menu. It does have that texture too, and I don't like it much.

Of course, my students sometimes try to gross me out by telling me about 'lengua', which for some reason they figure Anglos don't eat and don't know about. I disappoint them.

You aren't supposed to eat the skin of the tongue. At least when I was inspecting meat departments in the 70's the butchers would have tongue slow cooked and peel off the skin and just serve the inside. I have never had it since, though.

542 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:11:43pm

re: #538 opnion

Walter Sheila Jackson Lee wanted to see the Americnan falg that we planted on Mars.
While our "Progressive " friends like to attack the intellect of those that they do not agree with, I bet that they think that she is an intellectual.

Oh yeah, that's who I want determining anything about me. I think Barry and Sheila are about equal.

543 Wendya  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:11:48pm

re: #369 zombie

This is devastating to his credibility and to the chances of the health care bill.

I can think of an entire list of things that are devastating to his credibility. This doesn't even make the top 5.

His supporters don't care, the media doesn't care, middle American doesn't know.

544 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:12:17pm

re: #535 doppelganglander

I'm not going to argue with you about it. It must be very lonely being so brilliant. And no, that's not sarcasm.

There's a reason many PhD's are called "Piled Higher & Deeper". Not saying it has one though...

545 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:12:50pm

re: #516 Walter L. Newton

The MSM is going to get fed up with the left really fast.


Unfortunately, I think not. They'd rather walk on glass shards than admit that BDS has ruined their objectivity, or what part of it ever existed, forever.

546 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:13:11pm

re: #541 kansas

You aren't supposed to eat the skin of the tongue. At least when I was inspecting meat departments in the 70's the butchers would have tongue slow cooked and peel off the skin and just serve the inside. I have never had it since, though.

The meat itself has the texture I'm talking about. Very fine-grained, and, well, gross.

I should stop complaining about European foods I dont' like. Some little old ladies are going to rush in here in a minute and force-feed me herring and fruit compote if I don't mind my manners.

547 opnion  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:14:03pm

re: #542 kansas

Oh yeah, that's who I want determining anything about me. I think Barry and Sheila are about equal.

No, no that violates the Liberal meme.Barry is brilliant.
Remember whe he said that greedy doctors took out tonsils when a kid just had a sore throat? Brilliant!

548 Syrah  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:14:23pm

re: #533 Walter L. Newton

Hmmm, maybe. The conservatives certainly won't be the MSM's favorite, but the socialist are starting to get on their nerves.

They may be disappointed with the left, but they will still treat them like their own.

It is always a mistake for the right to start thinking the left-MSM is "getting it." The MSM is still part and parcel of the left. They will always treat the right as their enemy even if they may bark and snarl at their own side on occasion.

549 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:14:37pm

re: #546 SanFranciscoZionist

The meat itself has the texture I'm talking about. Very fine-grained, and, well, gross.

I should stop complaining about European foods I dont' like. Some little old ladies are going to rush in here in a minute and force-feed me herring and fruit compote if I don't mind my manners.

Yes it is fine grained, so sorry, you weren't eating the skin. It's hard to describe food.

550 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:15:14pm

re: #545 tradewind

Unfortunately, I think not. They'd rather walk on glass shards than admit that BDS has ruined their objectivity, or what part of it ever existed, forever.

The MSM is a business. IMO If dumping on Barry becomes the thing to do, they will do it. I have already seen kinks appearing at CNN, NYT, LA Times and other places.

551 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:15:14pm

re: #544 rightymouse

There's a reason many PhD's are called "Piled Higher & Deeper". Not saying it has one though...

you guys take it too serious...who would you rather drink with?...Cato or me?

552 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:15:18pm

re: #541 kansas
Okay, I just threw up in my mouth a little...
I'm going to need a walk before I steel myself to cook dinner...

553 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:15:47pm

re: #548 Syrah

They may be disappointed with the left, but they will still treat them like their own.

It is always a mistake for the right to start thinking the left-MSM is "getting it." The MSM is still part and parcel of the left. They will always treat the right as their enemy even if they may bark and snarl at their own side on occasion.

The MSM is part and parcel a business. That's the bottom line.

554 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:16:09pm

re: #550 Walter L. Newton

From your keyboard to the editorial board's headset.
We can always hope they'll change...

555 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:16:09pm

re: #552 tradewind

Okay, I just threw up in my mouth a little...
I'm going to need a walk before I steel myself to cook dinner...

Sorry.

556 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:16:12pm

re: #545 tradewind

Unfortunately, I think not. They'd rather walk on glass shards than admit that BDS has ruined their objectivity, or what part of it ever existed, forever.

don't be too sure...they will always want to be on the edge of the newest fad

557 LeslieG  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:16:47pm
The notion that Americans may not want the federal government making health care decisions on their behalf appears to be truly beyond the comprehension of Democrats in Congress and the White House. So they have responded by slandering honest folks looking to have their voices heard.

The arrogance which the Democrats have displayed by name-calling and discrediting these people reveals their insolence and hypocrisy.

It appears that community organizing and grassroots are terms reserved solely for liberal activism. A number of taxpayer and patients rights groups post the location of town halls on the internet, and Democrats in charge act as though it is an abomination to democracy. Yet when then Senator Obama throws together an operation of a million liberal activists, so organic they created an iPhone app for it, that’s just good old fashioned political organizing. Right!

Exactly.

558 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:16:52pm

re: #550 Walter L. Newton

The MSM is a business. IMO If dumping on Barry becomes the thing to do, they will do it. I have already seen kinks appearing at CNN, NYT, LA Times and other places.

That's usually during ratings sweeps when sexual innuendo can help them score higher advertising rates.
/

559 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:16:54pm

re: #551 albusteve

you guys take it too serious...who would you rather drink with?...Cato or me?

I wasn't taking it seriously at all. I would love to have a drink with either or both of you.

560 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:16:57pm

re: #546 SanFranciscoZionist

The meat itself has the texture I'm talking about. Very fine-grained, and, well, gross.

I should stop complaining about European foods I dont' like. Some little old ladies are going to rush in here in a minute and force-feed me herring and fruit compote if I don't mind my manners.

I hate tongue, it just has that mushy texture that disgusts me.

But my son, as a teenager, was a guest at someone's house and they served tongue, and he loved it! It has been his favorite meat ever since.

When I last visited him and his wife, she served sweet-and-sour tongue which I tasted, and it was delicious and not even mushy. I guess it depends on how it is prepared.

561 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:16:57pm

re: #536 reine.de.tout

The central and northern part of the state are a different world.

562 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:16:58pm

re: #552 tradewind

Okay, I just threw up in my mouth a little...
I'm going to need a walk before I steel myself to cook dinner...

No, no, sit down and let me read you a gefilte fish recipe...

/Seriously. I am descended from the two most uninspired cuisines in creation. It's depressing.

563 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:17:03pm

re: #553 Walter L. Newton

The MSM is part and parcel a business. That's the bottom line.

The newspapers don't seem to mind going out of business. What's with that?

564 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:18:22pm

re: #559 doppelganglander

I wasn't taking it seriously at all. I would love to have a drink with either or both of you.

can't...I won't go near Cato...he makes me stupid

565 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:18:26pm

re: #555 kansas

It's just me. I'm awful with offal. Not that tongue is technically, but in my mind, all the same.

566 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:19:00pm

re: #562 SanFranciscoZionist

No, no, sit down and let me read you a gefilte fish recipe...

/Seriously. I am descended from the two most uninspired cuisines in creation. It's depressing.

Is the other British or Irish?

/Vegetables cooked longer for your protection.

567 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:19:14pm

re: #547 opnion

No, no that violates the Liberal meme.Barry is brilliant.
Remember whe he said that greedy doctors took out tonsils when a kid just had a sore throat? Brilliant!

Or this gem...

Surgeons get $30,000 to $50,000 for an amputation? On what planet?

Yes, it's our President contrasting what primary care docs make treating diabetes with what docs can make if a diabetic foot ulcer progresses to the point where an amputation is required, contending that surgeons are reimbursed "$30,000, $40,000, $50,000″ to amputate a foot.

Nonsense.

The surgeon's reimbursement for a below-the-knee amputation is nowhere near that much. Reimbursement for the surgeon for a below-the-knee amputation is in the hundreds of dollars, perhaps slightly more than $1,000,

568 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:19:26pm

re: #551 albusteve

you guys take it too serious...who would you rather drink with?...Cato or me?

You. I couldn't trust Cato the Elder to not say something stupid that would have the Hooter's girl spitting in our pitcher.
/

569 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:19:33pm

re: #563 kansas

The newspapers don't seem to mind going out of business. What's with that?

maybe the inevitability of doom has something to do with it?

570 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:20:00pm

re: #564 albusteve
He's okay... he just needs a few term papers to correct, and he'd be happy as a clam.

571 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:20:12pm

re: #551 albusteve

you guys take it too serious...who would you rather drink with?...Cato or me?

Neither. No offense.

572 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:20:51pm

re: #566 doppelganglander

Is the other British or Irish?

/Vegetables cooked longer for your protection.

Both, actually. ;)

573 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:21:20pm

"Deal With Big Pharma" - AND - with the current Administration, You expected...? That is all.

-S-

574 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:21:22pm

re: #570 tradewind

He's okay... he just needs a few term papers to correct, and he'd be happy as a clam.

indeed, Cato the Clam...sounds like a mobster

575 TedStriker  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:21:36pm

re: #398 Killgore Trout

Another Town Hall protester gets a visit with the Secret Service...
"Death to Obama" Sign Holder Detained by Secret Service


Lovely.
/

People like this are like 20 pounds of stupid in a 10-pound bag...

576 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:21:49pm

re: #565 tradewind

It's just me. I'm awful with offal. Not that tongue is technically, but in my mind, all the same.

How About a nice tripe and onion receipe?

577 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:22:28pm

re: #563 kansas

The newspapers don't seem to mind going out of business. What's with that?

They're not going out of business because of their politics. It's because of the internet and the availability of news electronically from other sources.

Look, Obama won with a small majority. Where are they, why aren't the liberal buying the papers? Because they are getting their news just like a lot of people have done, turning to the internet.

It's not because the NYT's is liberal, it's because no one, liberals or conservatives or people in between, are reading papers as much. The Rocky Mountain News, a very conservative paper and one of the oldest in the country close a number of months ago. Same difference.

578 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:22:56pm

re: #576 midwestgak

How About a nice tripe and onion receipe?

I'm gonna try that without the tripe.

579 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:23:08pm

re: #575 talon_262

People like this are like 20 pounds of stupid in a 10-pound bag...

"She's always sayin' death to somebody she don't like."

580 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:23:51pm

re: #576 midwestgak

How About a nice tripe and onion receipe?

Haggis my dear, good for what ails you!

581 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:23:58pm

re: #572 SanFranciscoZionist

Both, actually. ;)

My birth parents were Irish and Jewish. IMO those are the two cultures with the best sense of humor. But as you point out, the food...not so much.

582 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:24:19pm

re: #571 rightymouse

Neither. No offense.

I have a Rolls

583 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:24:21pm

re: #578 kansas

I'm gonna try that without the tripe.

KS -

Mee Too - Make Mine with "COW."

-S-

584 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:24:44pm

re: #560 Alouette

I hate tongue, it just has that mushy texture that disgusts me.

But my son, as a teenager, was a guest at someone's house and they served tongue, and he loved it! It has been his favorite meat ever since.

When I last visited him and his wife, she served sweet-and-sour tongue which I tasted, and it was delicious and not even mushy. I guess it depends on how it is prepared.

Shouldn't be "mushy", nor more so than pastrami or corned beef. Something of the opposite in fact.

585 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:24:57pm

re: #582 albusteve

I have a Rolls

Whole wheat or rye?

586 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:25:04pm

re: #576 midwestgak
There's not enough money to get me to click that. :)

587 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:25:07pm
588 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:25:45pm

re: #577 Walter L. Newton

They're not going out of business because of their politics. It's because of the internet and the availability of news electronically from other sources.

Look, Obama won with a small majority. Where are they, why aren't the liberal buying the papers? Because they are getting their news just like a lot of people have done, turning to the internet.

It's not because the NYT's is liberal, it's because no one, liberals or conservatives or people in between, are reading papers as much. The Rocky Mountain News, a very conservative paper and one of the oldest in the country close a number of months ago. Same difference.

Well that makes sense. After reading the local lib rag this AM I went to get on the net and the wife said, I thought you read the news. I said, well yeah, I read yesterday's news, now I'm gonna see what's going on now.

589 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:25:46pm

re: #587 buzzsawmonkey

re: #578 kansas


Just saying "organ meats" gives me the creeps.

I'm okay with Organ meats..just I dislike the little dancing monkey that comes with them

590 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:25:54pm

re: #587 buzzsawmonkey

Just saying "organ meats" gives me the creeps.

As Paul Shafer said in the old Letterman schtick, "... variety meats!"

591 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:25:59pm

re: #585 rightymouse

Whole wheat or rye?

led with my chin

592 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:26:06pm

re: #563 kansas

The newspapers don't seem to mind going out of business. What's with that?

Since they are, here is an inventive use for the old news boxes.

593 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:26:17pm
594 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:26:45pm

re: #581 doppelganglander

My birth parents were Irish and Jewish. IMO those are the two cultures with the best sense of humor. But as you point out, the food...not so much.

You need a sense of humor, I suppose, what with the food and the oppression...

/

595 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:26:47pm

re: #591 albusteve

You have rolls under your chin?? elementary my friend..two laps around the deck

596 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:27:07pm

re: #587 buzzsawmonkey

Just saying "organ meats" gives me the creeps.

I do not believe I have ever said those two words together.

597 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:27:10pm

re: #581 doppelganglander

My birth parents were Irish and Jewish. IMO those are the two cultures with the best sense of humor. But as you point out, the food...not so much.

doppelganglander -

"Whadaya Mean?" - I grew up on the TWO great Jewish Cuisines - Cantonese Chinese and Southern Italian - Kosher Yet!

-S-

598 HelloDare  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:27:15pm

Cute photobomb

599 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:27:27pm

Actually, with all this food talk, is chicken soup covered in this pharma deal?

Hi ho the derry-o, the pharma's getting well.

600 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:27:51pm

re: #587 buzzsawmonkey

Just saying "organ meats" gives me the creeps.

fried liver is a favorite of mine...mmm guts!

601 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:28:05pm

re: #587 buzzsawmonkey

Just saying "organ meats" gives me the creeps.

Well, you've never tried kidney pie. Has the wonderful aroma of ammonia. Yum./

602 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:28:08pm

re: #596 kansas

I do not believe I have ever said those two words together.

liver, meet kidney

603 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:28:08pm

re: #593 buzzsawmonkey

That's only when they're ground.

Time for my one butcher joke that I may have posted before.

The butcher backed into the meat grinder and got a little behind in his
work.

C'mon, laugh to be polite.

604 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:28:16pm
605 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:28:26pm

re: #594 SanFranciscoZionist

You need a sense of humor, I suppose, what with the food and the oppression...

/

I plan to approach the British and the Egyptians for reparations very soon.

606 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:28:27pm

re: #593 buzzsawmonkey

That's only when they're ground.

I did not know that's where the term organ grinder came from. Monkey meat. Gross.

607 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:28:30pm

re: #600 albusteve

re: #587 buzzsawmonkey


fried liver is a favorite of mine...mmm guts!

The only way I like Liver is at the end of my fishing line in the old Missourrah

608 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:28:33pm

re: #587 buzzsawmonkey

Just saying "organ meats" gives me the creeps.

I remember seeing "head cheese" as a kid, and asking "who eats that garbage"?

609 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:28:35pm

re: #591 albusteve

led with my chin

Exercise could help that.

610 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:29:05pm

re: #595 quiet man

You have rolls under your chin?? elementary my friend..two laps around the deck

here's $50
go get me another beer instead

611 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:29:13pm

All right, kids, I need to get some exercise. See y'all later.

612 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:29:14pm

re: #598 HelloDare

Wow. You don't see that many Dogue de Bordeaux nowdays.

613 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:29:16pm

re: #608 Alouette

re: #587 buzzsawmonkey


I remember seeing "head cheese" as a kid, and asking "who eats that garbage"?


I used to say that about a chief nurse...

614 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:29:23pm

Japan's Happiness Party plans to attack North Korea

Kyoko Okawa, founder of Japan's new Happiness Realization Party, has pledged to attack North Korea if elected.
Mrs Okawa, has also pledged to amend the nation's pacifist constitution and prepare for an invasion from China.
The mother-of-five's party is the latest option for Japanese heading to the polls in the Aug 30 election, which is expected to bring to an end more than five decades of near uninterrupted rule by the Liberal Democratic Party.
While the focal point of the election has so far been limited to the battle between the LDP and the opposition Democratic Party of Japan, the Happiness Realization Party offers voters a more colourful "third way".
Its policies include cutting taxes, encouraging women to have more than three babies, launching commercial space shuttle flights between Japan and the United States to reduce flying time to two hours and doubling the population to 300 million by drastically reducing immigration restrictions...
.Most unusually, the party's policies are formulated on the basis of visions of the future that present themselves to Mr Okawa – who claims to be Buddha reincarnated – during hours of daily meditation.

615 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:29:29pm

re: #603 Silvergirl

Time for my one butcher joke that I may have posted before.

The butcher backed into the meat grinder and got a little behind in his
work.

C'mon, laugh to be polite.

heh.

I suppose you know why the baker stays in business.

616 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:30:00pm

re: #610 albusteve

re: #595 quiet man


here's $50
go get me another beer instead


Boston Lager or blackberry witbeer??

617 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:30:09pm

re: #604 buzzsawmonkey

You are welcome to my portion.

don't you put gizzards in turkey dressing?

618 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:30:34pm

re: #615 itellu3times

Standby for the Boston Butt jokes.

619 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:30:40pm

re: #597 Dr. Shalit

doppelganglander -

"Whadaya Mean?" - I grew up on the TWO great Jewish Cuisines - Cantonese Chinese and Southern Italian - Kosher Yet!

-S-

But admit it--Ashkenazi cuisine is not exactly legendary...

I keep trying to find out if you can be Mizrachi by choice.

620 Wendya  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:31:00pm

re: #580 jcm

Haggis my dear, good for what ails you!

Sure cure for a hangover. Eat it after ingesting massive quantities of scotch and you'll barf it and the scotch up.

621 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:31:05pm

re: #600 albusteve

fried liver is a favorite of mine...mmm guts!

Liver! OMG...
I went to this fancy meal at a Bank of America party years ago...They cut up cow's tongue in the fricking Salad! That is just sick

622 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:31:10pm
623 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:31:21pm

re: #618 tradewind

Standby for the Boston Butt jokes.

I did a Boston Butt on the smoker before I found out it was actually a shoulder.

624 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:32:04pm

re: #623 kansas

re: #618 tradewind


I did a Boston Butt on the smoker before I found out it was actually a shoulder.


man, was that one butt ugly cow, then

625 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:32:29pm
626 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:32:59pm

re: #620 Wendya

re: #580 jcm


Sure cure for a hangover. Eat it after ingesting massive quantities of scotch and you'll barf it and the scotch up.

at $60.00 a bottle..I will keep my scotch in me tum tum

627 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:33:10pm

re: #615 itellu3times

heh.

I suppose you know why the baker stays in business.

I don't.

Should I ask?

628 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:33:46pm

re: #625 buzzsawmonkey

re: #617 albusteve


Having never cooked a turkey, I can safely say, "no."

Ya gotta cook 'em first...sashemi is not a good turkey dinner

629 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:33:54pm

Can you really wonder why CA is broke? Watch dried paint weather: [Link: media.myfoxla.com...]

630 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:34:01pm

re: #621 HoosierHoops

Liver! OMG...
I went to this fancy meal at a Bank of America party years ago...They cut up cow's tongue in the fricking Salad! That is just sick

there are people here that eat bugs and worms and other otherworldly critters...that's sick...cow tongue is delicious

631 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:34:04pm

There's some action with the standoff: Live feed

632 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:34:14pm

re: #566 doppelganglander

English food--oxymoron.

Seriously, the people boil everything including their bread./

633 yochanan  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:34:21pm

looks like good ol'boy edwards told a few fibs at the grand jury.

seems the kid is his.

634 mad_scientist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:34:30pm

re #27 mandymatters

How badly will this affect R&D?

I bet that it wont hurt in the short run, but once you enter a deal with the devil, things are bound to go bad eventually. My background was in R&D in a university setting, now I am getting ready to take my state PharmD boards in a few months.

This whole gov't getting involved in health care, and now big pharma is really starting to make me worry about the long term ramifications of that choice. Hope I chose...wisely.

635 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:35:07pm

re: #631 Killgore Trout

action with the standoff:

Another oxymoron?

636 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:35:22pm

re: #633 yochanan

looks like good ol'boy edwards told a few fibs at the grand jury.

seems the kid is his.


He paid her hush money when he needed to pay her the far larger shut up and go away money

637 soxfan4life  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:35:28pm

re: #633 yochanan

looks like good ol'boy edwards told a few fibs at the grand jury.

seems the kid is his.

Being a Democrat it will only enhance his resume.

638 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:35:30pm

re: #625 buzzsawmonkey

Having never cooked a turkey, I can safely say, "no."

I like white turkey meat...I hate the dark meat..I'd rather swallow a Qt. of pure grease...LOL
Hi Buzz...Hope you are well

639 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:35:42pm

re: #633 yochanan

looks like good ol'boy edwards told a few fibs at the grand jury.

seems the kid is his.

liar liar
fly on fire
walkin down that poontang wire

640 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:35:52pm

re: #633 yochanan

What joy it would have been if this preening fool had been our president.

641 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:36:36pm

re: #640 calcajun

What joy it would have been if this preening fool had been our president.

the Silk Unicorn

642 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:36:43pm

re: #640 calcajun

re: #633 yochanan

What joy it would have been if this preening fool had been our president.


Mrs Edwards would be 1'st lady..

1'st Mistress??

643 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:37:07pm

I have to log out, so I'll have to wait to hear about the baker.

644 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:37:19pm
645 Scion9  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:37:30pm

re: #642 quiet man

Mrs Edwards would be 1'st lady..

1'st Mistress??

My bet is that she is far from his 1st mistress.

646 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:37:39pm

re: #632 calcajun

English food--oxymoron.

Seriously, the people boil everything including their bread./

In Heaven, the British are the policemen, the Germans are the engineers, the French are the lovers, and the Italians are the cooks.

In Hell, the French are the policemen, the Italians are the engineers, the Germans are the lovers, and the British are the cooks.

647 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:37:41pm

re: #642 quiet man

Mrs Edwards would be 1'st lady..

1'st Mistress??

"Concubine" sounds so medieval.

648 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:38:10pm

re: #627 Silvergirl

I don't.

Should I ask?

he kneads the dough.

649 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:38:33pm
650 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:39:01pm

re: #647 calcajun

"Concubine" sounds so medieval.

No, 'leman' sounds medieval. 'Concubine' sounds like we've put Solomon back on the throne.

651 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:39:08pm
652 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:39:31pm

re: #649 buzzsawmonkey

re: #645 Scion9


Having them live closer together might be more economical, but it could only lead to trouble.


well, Edwards did say there are two Americas..and he has a family in both of them

653 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:39:51pm

I think Edwards would have been preferable to this.

654 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:39:56pm

Tweets are saying the guy in the standoff is Joe Moshe of Westchester ( Suppossedly Per KNX News Radio).

655 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:40:33pm

re: #644 buzzsawmonkey

Dark turkey and chicken meat have more flavor for soups too. Good stuff.

656 yochanan  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:40:40pm

he was first cad

since this was the time mrs edwards was getting the news of her cancer

657 soxfan4life  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:40:55pm

re: #654 Pvt Bin Jammin

Tweets are saying the guy in the standoff is Joe Moshe of Westchester ( Suppossedly Per KNX News Radio).

So the MSM should be reporting right wing extremist Joe Moshe of Westchester very soon.

658 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:40:58pm

re: #646 Alouette

Germans are the lovers

Undt erste, zee foreplay. Eins! Zwei! Drei!

Ist gut, no?

659 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:41:04pm

re: #654 Pvt Bin Jammin

Tweets are saying the guy in the standoff is Joe Moshe of Westchester ( Suppossedly Per KNX News Radio).

I hope this is not a conservative gone off the deep end.

660 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:41:24pm

re: #633 yochanan

OMG. Look at her little face... stamped and spit out.
She's adorable
Him, not so much. But how he ever denied her is beyond me. They are clones.
Image: hunter_frances.jpg
I feel very badly for his wife and their other children.

661 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:41:27pm

re: #650 SanFranciscoZionist

Concubine' sounds like we've put Solomon back on the throne.

Lord know that ain't happened.

662 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:41:28pm

re: #654 Pvt Bin Jammin

Tweets are saying the guy in the standoff is Joe Moshe of Westchester ( Suppossedly Per KNX News Radio).


so true..we can stand a guy who likes a little wet work in the office...

Thankee Bill...

663 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:42:00pm
664 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:42:18pm

re: #644 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, Hoops! How's the dog?

Dark turkey meat is better than you think it is...try accustoming yourself to it a small piece at a time. Or not. But if you like duck--I do--then dark turkey meat is no biggie.

He is doing much much better...Thank you...
Duck is to greasy for me...Most foods to me are gross...There are few things in this world that effects your life like food and exercise...
Kind Regards Buzz

665 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:43:07pm

Monica..bring in some pizza to the Presidential bathroom, will you please..

666 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:43:13pm

re: #664 HoosierHoops

He is doing much much better...Thank you...
Duck is to greasy for me...Most foods to me are gross...There are few things in this world that effects your life like food and exercise...
Kind Regards Buzz

tacos may be your salvation

667 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:43:16pm

re: #651 buzzsawmonkey

Isn't that a British cigarette brand?

In 100's and menthol.

668 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:43:47pm

re: #654 Pvt Bin Jammin

Tweets are saying the guy in the standoff is Joe Moshe of Westchester ( Suppossedly Per KNX News Radio).

Supposedly known nutjob and off his meds, don't really care about such a person's political views.

669 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:44:22pm
670 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:44:22pm

re: #662 quiet man

Joe Moshe?
I smell a plant. Do the anagram...

671 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:45:14pm

re: #655 rightymouse

Dark turkey and chicken meat have more flavor for soups too. Good stuff.

The only two solutions to dry turkey breast-- brining and making a turducken.

672 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:45:35pm

re: #668 itellu3times

Supposedly known nutjob and off his meds, don't really care about such a person's political views.

So a Paulian then.

673 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:45:51pm
674 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:45:59pm

re: #631 Killgore Trout

There's some action with the standoff: Live feed

What's going on? There's no story at that link, just the feed, and I apparently missed whatever it is that's going on

675 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:46:10pm

re: #673 buzzsawmonkey

Joe S H M O E

676 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:46:15pm
677 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:46:35pm

re: #663 buzzsawmonkey

I would like to see the Ein, Zwei Dry Cleaners. I think I could trust their efficiency.

German bartenders: The Ein, Zwei Dry Martini? I dunno...

678 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:46:43pm

re: #675 tradewind

Joe S H M O E

hmm

679 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:46:48pm

re: #676 buzzsawmonkey

Anagram for Mongo!

OMG NO!

680 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:47:12pm

re: #678 itellu3times

How conveeenient.

681 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:47:23pm

re: #670 tradewind

re: #662 quiet man

Joe Moshe?
I smell a plant. Do the anagram...

Heeosi Moj?

682 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:47:30pm

re: #666 albusteve

tacos may be your salvation

I'll eat a taco when the memo pops into my email box telling me it's the end of the world...That or looking for Megan Fox's Cell number...LOL
I will eat some MexTex...I would never eat a taco...Trust me about the memo

683 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:47:31pm

re: #679 CyanSnowHawk

OMG NO!

It's twue! It's twue!

684 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:48:30pm

re: #682 HoosierHoops

What's that about Megan Fox and eating a taco? Dare I go there?

685 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:48:31pm

re: #683 calcajun
what a nice guwy

686 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:48:44pm

re: #674 reine.de.tout

Man allegedly made threats against White House.

687 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:48:50pm

once years back I had a Malamute/Husky mix...he was eight months old and huge...very smart and very aggressive in play...he got sick, then even sicker..after a few days it seemed like he was near death and the vet had no clue...I was just beside myself with fear and was watching him like a hawk...I got up to go do something for a bit and when I came back he was sitting there chewing on a toy and jumped up to come over to me to play...Buzz called it a few days ago...dogs are like that sometimes...who knows?

688 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:49:07pm

re: #671 calcajun

The only two solutions to dry turkey breast-- brining and making a turducken.

My turkey is never dry. It's the flavor in the darker meat that makes a richer soup for leftovers. And I use bones to make a broth.

689 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:49:58pm

re: #657 soxfan4life

So the MSM should be reporting right wing extremist Joe Moshe of Westchester very soon.

LOL Sorry I took so long to respond. Phone calls coming in.

690 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:50:01pm

re: #670 tradewind

Joe Moshe?
I smell a plant. Do the anagram...

O Jem Hoes

691 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:50:22pm
692 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:50:38pm

re: #682 HoosierHoops

I'll eat a taco when the memo pops into my email box telling me it's the end of the world...That or looking for Megan Fox's Cell number...LOL
I will eat some MexTex...I would never eat a taco...Trust me about the memo

tacos are a gift from above, as is all Mex, Tex/Mex food...you are lost

693 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:50:39pm

re: #687 albusteve

Neighbor's dog was fine one Monday. Put to sleep that Wednesday. Pancreatitis so said the vet. It can happen fast.

694 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:50:59pm

re: #691 buzzsawmonkey

We're getting kind of "Jack and the Beanstalk" here, aren't we?

Legumist!

695 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:51:04pm

re: #678 itellu3times

hmm

Excellent!

696 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:51:10pm

re: #691 buzzsawmonkey

We're getting kind of "Jack and the Beanstalk" here, aren't we?

You have to take stock of those kinds of comments.

697 Gus  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:51:19pm

re: #670 tradewind

Joe Moshe?
I smell a plant. Do the anagram...

Joe Shmoe?

698 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:51:42pm

who climbs a bean stalk anyway??

699 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:52:18pm

re: #697 Gus 802

re: #670 tradewind


Joe Shmoe?

get your mojoes drivin

700 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:52:21pm

re: #698 quiet man

who climbs a bean stalk anyway??

A very hungry person

701 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:52:38pm

re: #686 Killgore Trout

Looks like the headline will be all about Moshe dyin'...

702 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:52:50pm

Let thins be a reminder to us all. Don't listen to Glenn Beck and remember to take your meds.

703 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:53:02pm

re: #691 buzzsawmonkey

We're getting kind of "Jack and the Beanstalk" here, aren't we?


Nope.

704 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:53:31pm

re: #693 calcajun

Neighbor's dog was fine one Monday. Put to sleep that Wednesday. Pancreatitis so said the vet. It can happen fast.

yes...taking on pets is an emotional rolly coaster...I've had several die in my arms...two dogs and my beloved old barn cat

705 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:53:33pm

re: #702 Killgore Trout

I always pay attention to my thins, don't fret. My fats, not so much.

706 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:53:38pm

re: #684 calcajun

What's that about Megan Fox and eating a taco? Dare I go there?

The second I posted that.. the good Angel on my left shoulder fainted...
(Taco's and Megan Fox in the same post)
The Angel on my Right Shoulder screamed in glee and put in the microwave popcorn...
Me? I'm an innocent bystander..

707 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:53:45pm
708 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:54:04pm

All we need is peter piper and a peck o peppers for the beans

709 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:54:29pm

re: #702 Killgore Trout

Let thins be a reminder to us all. Don't listen to Glenn Beck and remember to take your meds.

So listening to Glenn Beck and not taking your meds is okay then?
/

710 yochanan  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:55:26pm

Raleigh, N.C. — Sources have told WRAL News that they expect former U.S. Sen. John Edwards to admit that he is the father of his former mistress' 18-month-old daughter.

Edwards, a two-time Democratic presidential candidate, confessed last August to having an affair with Rielle Hunter, who served as a videographer on Edwards' 2008 campaign. He has denied fathering her daughter, saying his relationship with Hunter ended before the child was conceived.

The name of the girl's father isn't disclosed on her birth certificate.

Andrew Young, a long-time Edwards aide, initially claimed to be the father of Hunter's child, but he is reportedly writing a book in which he will claim Edwards is the father.

A federal grand jury is investigating whether Edwards' campaign funds were illegally paid to Hunter to keep quiet about the affair.

Hunter spent nine hours last Thursday at the federal courthouse in Raleigh, where the grand jury was meeting. She brought her daughter, Frances, with her.

Young was at the federal courthouse in July when the grand jury was meeting.

Sources said Edwards' public admission could come before the end of the criminal investigation.

Edwards' attorney, Wade Smith, couldn't be reached Thursday for comment.

711 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:55:32pm

re: #709 CyanSnowHawk

You can do one or the other but definitely not both.

712 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:55:55pm

Servers demand minimum wage; no withholding taxes and tips excluded from income tax(email: flag@something.gov): E-mails from public overload House Web site

Nothing wrong with us.

713 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:56:34pm

By the way, Rich Lowry had this the day before HuffPo did in yesterday's NY Post

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

714 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:57:13pm

re: #709 CyanSnowHawk

So listening to Glenn Beck and not taking your meds is okay then?
/


No-- take meds and then listen to Beck. He'll sound even funnier.

715 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:57:44pm
716 rightymouse  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:57:57pm

Off to have a sushi dinner.

Wasabi rocks.

717 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:58:03pm

re: #710 yochanan

Scroll upthread to # 660 and look at her picture. It's just uncanny.

718 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:58:04pm

re: #710 yochanan

Edwards, a two-time ing Democratic presidential candidate,

FTFY

719 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:58:12pm

re: #710 yochanan

An absolutely disgusting specimen of a man, trying to avoid responsibility by trying to deny his own child.

720 yochanan  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:58:31pm

re: #714 calcajun

eat your alice b toklas brownies then watch beck with the sound off.

721 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:58:35pm

re: #716 rightymouse

Off to have a sushi dinner.

Wasabi rocks.

and Tuna rolls!

722 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:58:37pm

re: #712 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Servers demand minimum wage; no withholding taxes and tips excluded from income tax(email: flag@something.gov): E-mails from public overload House Web site

Nothing wrong with us.

This article is not in regards to flag@whitehouse.gov. It is about the whole White House web site in general, and the many emails coming in to the different senate and house members.

723 Gus  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:58:42pm

"All night standoff."

"This sucks!"

///

724 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:58:54pm
725 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:59:50pm
726 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:00:05pm

re: #719 reine.de.tout

One look and he's busted.
He really thought he could slip this one by? As if.
I must say that Silky makes a much cuter girl than girly man.

727 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:00:36pm

re: #713 _RememberTonyC

By the way, Rich Lowry had this the day before HuffPo did in yesterday's NY Post

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

And on July 7th, the WSJ mentioned the meeting that Big Pharm had with Obama. It's been on the radar for a while, developing, and a number of different news sources have been putting together information for almost a month. The LA Times had an article on the 7th. of Aug.

So, this is not an Huffo exclusive, although they may have seen an email that others haven't seen.

728 yochanan  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:00:43pm

re: #718 calcajun

FTFY

works for me Raleigh, N.C. — Sources have told WRAL News that they expect former U.S. Sen. John Edwards to admit that he is the father of his former mistress' 18-month-old daughter.

Edwards, a two-TIMING Democratic presidential candidate, confessed last August to having an affair with Rielle Hunter, who served as a videographer on Edwards' 2008 campaign. He has denied fathering her daughter, saying his relationship with Hunter ended before the child was conceived.

The name of the girl's father isn't disclosed on her birth certificate.

Andrew Young, a long-time Edwards aide, initially claimed to be the father of Hunter's child, but he is reportedly writing a book in which he will claim Edwards is the father.

A federal grand jury is investigating whether Edwards' campaign funds were illegally paid to Hunter to keep quiet about the affair.

Hunter spent nine hours last Thursday at the federal courthouse in Raleigh, where the grand jury was meeting. She brought her daughter, Frances, with her.

Young was at the federal courthouse in July when the grand jury was meeting.

Sources said Edwards' public admission could come before the end of the criminal investigation.

Edwards' attorney, Wade Smith, couldn't be reached Thursday for comment.

Copyright 2009 by Capitol Broadcasting Company. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

729 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:01:10pm

re: #722 Walter L. Newton

I know Walter.

730 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:01:21pm

re: #713 _RememberTonyC

By the way, Rich Lowry had this the day before HuffPo did in yesterday's NY Post

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

send it to Charles...looks like Huffpo loses the scoop

731 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:02:20pm

re: #726 tradewind

One look and he's busted.
He really thought he could slip this one by? As if.
I must say that Silky makes a much cuter girl than girly man.

Silky Pony!

Youtube Video
732 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:02:26pm

re: #730 albusteve

send it to Charles...looks like Huffpo loses the scoop

See re: #727 Walter L. Newton

733 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:02:36pm

re: #568 CyanSnowHawk

You. I couldn't trust Cato the Elder to not say something stupid that would have the Hooter's girl spitting in our pitcher.
/

Heh. If your idea of a fine place for our beer summit is Hooters, I'm afraid I'll have to decline.

I prefer women with big brains, regardless of their other endowments.

734 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:03:13pm

re: #729 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

I know Walter.

I'm sorry. I thought you were trying to tie this in with the "flag" email address.

735 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:03:49pm

re: #732 Walter L. Newton

See re: #727 Walter L. Newton

jus sayin...someone deserves credit for the final bust

736 nonic  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:04:35pm

Food for thought.

Obama got elected partially by handing out money, and promising more money, to an entire class of people who need money hand-outs because they are disproportionately unproductive and often have dysfunctional lives and suffer a very high prison population (which happens to be expensive to society).

These same people will be relied upon to help pass Obama’s health care “reform.”

Now think about this………..

The inevitable eventual rationing of health care, under ObamaCare, will mean less care (and therefore more disability and death) for people who are unproductive, dysfunctional, and expensive.

If I were one of Obama's relied-upon, core supporters, I'd be scared sh*tless.

737 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:05:10pm

re: #724 buzzsawmonkey

re: #725 buzzsawmonkey

re: #726 tradewind

I feel very strongly about this, so sorry if I rant on a bit . . . he needs to just get over himself, deal with whatever the embarrassment and fallout is, and welcome that child into his life. He should have done it ages ago. It's no longer about him, it's about that child and about stepping up now and taking care of her as well as setting an ethical example for his other kids, and trying to hide her and deny responsibility for her - well, it's really disgusting low behavior.

738 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:07:00pm

re: #737 reine.de.tout

re: #725 buzzsawmonkey

re: #726 tradewind

I feel very strongly about this, so sorry if I rant on a bit . . . he needs to just get over himself, deal with whatever the embarrassment and fallout is, and welcome that child into his life. He should have done it ages ago. It's no longer about him, it's about that child and about stepping up now and taking care of her as well as setting an ethical example for his other kids, and trying to hide her and deny responsibility for her - well, it's really disgusting low behavior.

It is, especially since his motivation was to remain politically viable.

Dead beat sperm donors are a pet peeve of mine.

739 Wendya  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:07:21pm

re: #719 reine.de.tout

An absolutely disgusting specimen of a man, trying to avoid responsibility by trying to deny his own child.

He is a vile, scumbag, ambulance chaser.

740 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:08:18pm

OMG Local NBC is saying that the red VW is stopped, half on federal property and half on city property. LOL What a mess.

741 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:08:39pm

re: #739 Wendya

Yes, but his wife has cancer. We should be nice to him for her sake.


Not.

742 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:08:52pm

re: #740 Pvt Bin Jammin

OMG Local NBC is saying that the red VW is stopped, half on federal property and half on city property. LOL What a mess.

Is there somebody in the red VW?

743 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:09:17pm

re: #739 Wendya

He is a vile, scumbag, ambulance chaser.

and he deserves all the derision and scorn heaped upon him...no mercy

744 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:10:14pm

Burmese Justice
Smarter sanctions against the Burmese generals after their latest sentence of Suu Kyi.

Tuesday's sentencing by a Burmese court of opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi to three years of hard labor is a fresh reminder of the ruling junta's cruelty. That the sentence was then magnanimously reduced to an 18-month extension of her house arrest is a reminder of its cynicism.

Ms. Suu Kyi is Burma's rightful prime minister, having been elected in a vote overturned by the junta in 1990. The latest verdict ensures that the regime will get through parliamentary elections scheduled for next year without her participation. It's also a signal to the world that the junta isn't about to reach for any reset buttons, even as the Obama administration attempts to do so through a policy review that has being dragging on since February.

745 Gus  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:10:22pm

re: #740 Pvt Bin Jammin

OMG Local NBC is saying that the red VW is stopped, half on federal property and half on city property. LOL What a mess.

Yep, exactly what I was thinking. It's probably on federal property so the feds took over.

Maybe they should call in a survey team to establish the R.O.W. ;)

746 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:10:22pm

re: #742 reine.de.tout

Is there somebody in the red VW?

why don't they walk up and arrest him?...what's the big deal?...does he have a bomb?

747 fizzlogic  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:10:25pm

No doubt the Dems are trying to corner the K Street lobby. Yeah, that'll work. heh

748 yochanan  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:11:24pm

re: #743 albusteve

WELL if the scumbag lied to the grand jury
the scumbag might look good in orange

749 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:11:26pm

re: #737 reine.de.tout

True, but the ethical example horse ran out of that barn long ago, I'm afraid.
What he has done to his wife, like her or hate her, is unforgivable considering the ordeal she has already faced and is facing, and I doubt his children will be very accepting.
As for Ms Hunter, she knew exactly what she was doing, and she is beyond decency.

750 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:12:20pm

re: #742 reine.de.tout

Yes. The guy from the Westwood standoff that threatened Obama this morning. He got stopped entering the property of the local Federal Building after leading the LAPD on a chase. I wonder if the agencies are fighting over who is in charge?

751 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:12:50pm

re: #748 yochanan

WELL if the scumbag lied to the grand jury
the scumbag might look good in orange

dunno...he might emerge from jail as a jihadi, bent on revenge

752 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:13:20pm

re: #745 Gus 802

LOL. I say if the driver's seat is on the federal side he belongs to the feds.

753 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:13:41pm

re: #746 albusteve

why don't they walk up and arrest him?...what's the big deal?...does he have a bomb?

My question exactly, point a big honkin' gun at him and tell to get out or...

This maroon is tying up traffic, cops, a Federal Building etc... why put up this nonsense for so long?

754 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:13:55pm

re: #733 Cato the Elder

Heh. If your idea of a fine place for our beer summit is Hooters, I'm afraid I'll have to decline.

I prefer women with big brains, regardless of their other endowments.

Cato..You know I like you..What you said about Sarah today really upset me...
To call her a bubblegum chewing cheerleader was an uncalled for shot at her..
You don't like her..I get it..I wouldn't vote for her in a primary..
Sarah led her High School Basketball team to a state Championship...The years of work and dedication in blood and tears as a Point Guard shows she has Character and inner strength...And the remark about her perky tits was out of line...I'm disappointed..

755 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:13:55pm

re: #733 Cato the Elder

Cato, if you're going to be a good zombie, you can't rat yourself out. A normal sized portion should keep you going.
:)

756 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:14:15pm

re: #752 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL. I say if the driver's seat is on the federal side he belongs to the feds.

but the car is his property so it depends where the tires are...hahaha!

757 Gus  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:14:58pm

re: #752 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL. I say if the driver's seat is on the federal side he belongs to the feds.

It's strange. They rammed it with an armored vehicle. A couple of more yards and this could have turned into an Orgish video. But they stopped. So they were willing to ram it with a tank and then stopped everything so it seems. Now they have a robot on the passenger side and gave him a Coke.

758 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:15:11pm

re: #754 HoosierHoops

He vants braiiinnz.

759 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:15:22pm

re: #753 jcm

My question exactly, point a big honkin' gun at him and tell to get out or...

This maroon is tying up traffic, cops, a Federal Building etc... why put up this nonsense for so long?

okay Marshal Dillon...
I agree

760 Gus  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:15:26pm

re: #757 Gus 802

Not really a tank of course.

761 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:15:40pm

Extremist militias on the rise in US

The number of extremist militias are on the rise again in the United States, according to a new report.

Fifty new right-wing militia training groups have formed in the last two years and the gun and ammunition sales have sharply risen, according to the report by the Southern Law and Poverty Centre released late Wednesday.

762 That's Mr. President to you  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:16:05pm

I can see that there seems to be a lot of distraction coming out of the leak of this memo. And, once again, the national dialog is being sidetracked based on false controversies that generate more heat than light.

I promised OPEN government.

And this memo and what it states and implies are in keeping with that promise.

Completely in keeping.

Because OPEN government policy stands for something - Obama's Pretentious Exceptions Notwithstanding.

I don't know how much clearer a policy can be. And remember - I am making these decisions and doing these deals behind your back in complete compliance with my OPEN government policy because you can't be trusted to make decisions for yourself.

763 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:16:06pm

re: #756 albusteve

but the car is his property so it depends where the tires are...hahaha!

No, no, no... RPG, where the most pieces land. They get to do the reports...

///

764 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:16:13pm

re: #757 Gus 802

It's strange. They rammed it with an armored vehicle. A couple of more yards and this could have turned into an Orgish video. But they stopped. So they were willing to ram it with a tank and then stopped everything so it seems. Now they have a robot on the passenger side and gave him a Coke.

maybe he's a Terminator...we don't know all the facts

765 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:16:21pm

re: #753 jcm

My question exactly, point a big honkin' gun at him and tell to get out or...

This maroon is tying up traffic, cops, a Federal Building etc... why put up this nonsense for so long?

I believe they originally thought he had a bomb. Now the concern seems to be that he is mentally ill and off of his meds. Can you imagine how much this is costing? It's been going on since sometime after 10:00 AM!

766 J.S.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:16:26pm

re: #727 Walter L. Newton

the NY times ran a story on August 5, 2009 about the backroom deal...(the HuffPo got a memo which confirmed that a backroom deal was struck, etc., so now the White House is unable to issue any denials...)

767 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:16:44pm

re: #756 albusteve

Where is Marisa Tomei when you need her?
/My Cousin Vinny, the Positraction scene/

768 lostlakehiker  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:16:57pm

re: #98 doppelganglander


" CAPE CORAL, Fla. — Authorities say a patient at a Cape Coral doctor's office bit part of the doctor's finger off after being denied a prescription.

Cape Coral police report that 45-year-old Gregory S. Powell went to see Dr. Paul Arnold Wednesday morning, and Powell became upset about not receiving prescription medication. Police say Arnold turned his back and Powell attacked the doctor. Powell reportedly bit Arnold several times, taking off the doctor's finger tip with one bite.

The finger tip was recovered at the scene and Arnold was taken to a nearby hospital.

Police have put out a warrant for Powell's arrest on a charge of aggravated battery.
"

People are upset already.

No doubt his defense will be that the doctor gave him the finger.

769 Gus  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:16:58pm

re: #764 albusteve

maybe he's a Terminator...we don't know all the facts

Maybe he has knowledge of Obama's nirth certifikit!

//

770 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:17:39pm

re: #757 Gus 802

It's strange. They rammed it with an armored vehicle. A couple of more yards and this could have turned into an Orgish video. But they stopped. So they were willing to ram it with a tank and then stopped everything so it seems. Now they have a robot on the passenger side and gave him a Coke.

Missed the part about the coke. They should have slipped a knock-out drug into the coke.

771 yochanan  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:18:13pm

re: #761 Sharmuta

slpc is a leftist group not some netural group.

772 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:18:23pm

re: #764 albusteve

maybe he's a Terminator...we don't know all the facts

Kind of makes sense. Even Terminators would know that Germans make good stuff, which explains the car choice.

773 Gus  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:18:26pm

re: #770 Pvt Bin Jammin

Missed the part about the coke. They should have slipped a knock-out drug into the coke.

That's what the guys in the FOX news chopper were saying.

[Link: media.myfoxla.com...]

774 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:18:26pm

re: #770 Pvt Bin Jammin

Missed the part about the coke. They should have slipped a knock-out drug into the coke.

heh, probably a double Crown...he has feelings you know

775 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:19:05pm

re: #769 Gus 802

Maybe he has knowledge of Obama's nirth certifikit!

//

WOOT!...CONSPIRICY!

776 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:19:24pm

re: #771 yochanan

slpc is a leftist group not some netural group.

They've raised a fortune reverse race baiting...

777 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:19:51pm

Newsflash!

Conservative Groups Dismiss Report on Rise of Militias

Color me surprised.

778 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:20:52pm

re: #771 yochanan

slpc is a leftist group not some netural group.

Is their information inaccurate?

779 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:20:57pm

re: #777 Irish Rose

Newsflash!

Conservative Groups Dismiss Report on Rise of Militias

Color me surprised.

Hey friend...Hope you are well

780 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:21:04pm

re: #773 Gus 802

That's what the guys in the FOX news chopper were saying.

[Link: media.myfoxla.com...]

get a guy with an M4 and a grenade launcher...shoot out the back window and lob in a CS bomb...problem solved before the next commercial

781 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:21:34pm

re: #777 Irish Rose

Newsflash!

Conservative Groups Dismiss Report on Rise of Militias

Color me surprised.

That's because there is no such thing as right-wing extremism, Rose. Everyone knows that.

782 Gus  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:22:17pm

re: #780 albusteve

get a guy with an M4 and a grenade launcher...shoot out the back window and lob in a CS bomb...problem solved before the next commercial

Yeah, I get the feeling that's what the LAPD would have done. Or something similar. I bet the feds took over.

//Moshe Ridge!

/

783 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:22:21pm

re: #780 albusteve

get a guy with an M4 and a grenade launcher...shoot out the back window and lob in a CS bomb...problem solved before the next commercial

Perhaps they are waiting on an environmental impact report before proceeding with that course of action.
/

784 yochanan  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:22:24pm

o'riely has some good coverage on the health care debate with poll numbers etc.
interesting how much money NBC got and now they are being a shrill for obama and not reporting news.

785 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:22:37pm

re: #781 Sharmuta

That's because there is no such thing as right-wing extremism, Rose. Everyone knows that.

not everyone...don't include me

786 soxfan4life  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:22:43pm

re: #751 albusteve

dunno...he might emerge from jail as a jihadi, bent on revenge

That only happens when they are sent to GITMO, the root of all evil.

787 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:23:02pm

Guy on the news feed just complained his hand is cramping up. I guess he's working the camera in the helicopter?

788 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:23:07pm

Got to finish my office work. Will let you know if I hear anything. Have the scanner on but not much happening.

789 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:23:22pm

re: #785 albusteve

not everyone...don't include me

Me either.

790 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:23:58pm

re: #779 HoosierHoops

Hey friend...Hope you are well

Fine and dandy, thanks! :)

791 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:26:29pm

Blood and Politics: This new book about White Supremacists explains why you should worry

The book which formed the crux of Constant's piece is another MUST READ by Mr. Zeskind and it is titled: "Blood and Politics: The History of the White Nationalist Movement from the Margins to the Mainstream." Exhaustively researched, this book which took 15 years to write not only warns of a resurgence in racist politics even moreso with the well documented vast improvements in race relations, but alerts us as to the tactics, modes of operation and machinations of white supremacist, neo-nazi, Holocaust-denier and anti-semitic groups in the United States.

792 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:27:05pm

re: #785 albusteve

I didn't think I needed a sarc tag.

793 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:27:10pm

Good evening all!

794 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:27:29pm

And now, a little something for those who are tired of the health care debate:

FOX411 Exclusive: Rosie O’Donnell calls Elisabeth Hasselbeck a word that rhymes with ’swat’

It's back on.

Rosie O'Donnell can't seem to stop talking about her ugly departure from "The View," and the famous feud she had with co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck.

An eyewitness tells FOX411 exclusively that the former "The View" co-host slammed her former show and called her former co-host a vulgarism that starts with a "t" and rhymes with "swat," just four days before Hasselbeck gave birth to her third child.

It all happened on August 5 during a stand-up routine as part of O'Donnell's "Girls' Night Out Tour" with singer Cyndi Lauper. First, Rosie cracked jokes about "The View," illiciting roars of laughter from the audience at the St. George Theatre in Staten Island, N.Y.

"Rosie started out by asking the audience, 'What was that show I was on?'" an audience member tells FOX411. "Then, instead of saying, 'The View,' she called it 'The Screw You.' She continued by calling Elisabeth Hasselbeck, 'Elizabeth Half-a-brain.' Then she jumped to another topic."

But Rosie wasn't done. Not even close.

The audience member says she went back to her "The View" experience. "Rosie said when she first met Elisabeth, she thought she would love her, because they're both Christians," the eyewitness says. "Then she stopped and said, 'But then she turned on me.' Then Rosie called her a 't--t.' O'Donnell then moved on to a different subject, saying she really didn't want to start a new feud, or restart an old one."

A rep for Hasselbeck declined to comment.

Pile on lizards, you know you wanna!

795 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:27:51pm

re: #790 Irish Rose

Fine and dandy, thanks! :)

You don't realize How much I appreciate you posting about me on your blog...
From the bottom of my heart...Plus everyone knows if I really had a blog..It would be about Basketball...
Some stalkers are so vindictive...Dang...I don't run a blog for thousand frigging time!

796 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:27:52pm

re: #778 Sharmuta

Is their information inaccurate?

SPLC is questionable, they use the same tatics as Jesse Jackson

Morris Dees, one of the founders.

He served as President Jimmy Carter's national finance director in 1976, and as national finance chairman for Senator Ted Kennedy's 1980 Democratic primary presidential campaign against Carter.

Dees ran for the board of the Sierra Club as a protest candidate in 2004, qualifying by petition.

Joe Levin the other founder was Assistant AG under Carter.

797 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:28:55pm

re: #793 ArmyWife

Good evening all!

Hi AW!

798 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:29:28pm
799 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:29:29pm

re: #794 Irish Rose

You know I just feel sorry for her. So much talent, so much ability all drown in her "cause". She could have been everyone's best friend. Who cares if she was gay? It was a non-issue to me - until she made it one. I'm sure she doesn't lose sleep over what I think, however.

800 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:29:32pm

re: #796 jcm

That still doesn't mean their report is wrong.

801 yochanan  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:30:06pm

re: #794 Irish Rose

And now, a little something for those who are tired of the health care debate:

FOX411 Exclusive: Rosie O’Donnell calls Elisabeth Hasselbeck a word that rhymes with ’swat’

Pile on lizards, you know you wanna!

rosie rymes with a fat bike.

802 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:30:13pm

re: #794 Irish Rose

she thought she would love her, because they're both Christians," Twats.

Sisterhood is powerful.

803 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:31:18pm
804 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:31:31pm

re: #798 buzzsawmonkey

An irresponsible jerk. He is loaded and she should care for his child. It's called responsibility. It is not that baby's fault the circumstances around all this. She deserves to be loved and cared for by both parents.

I feel badly for Elizabeth, though. This must cut deeply.

805 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:32:11pm

re: #794 Irish Rose

Basically,

ROFLMAO!

806 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:32:42pm
807 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:32:48pm

re: #795 HoosierHoops

suuurrreee you don't. Suuurrreee. ;)

808 yochanan  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:32:56pm

rosie is a fat fugly bike

sarc.///

809 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:33:32pm

HOLY CRAP! MICHAEL VICK GOES TO THE EAGLES TOMORROW!

810 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:33:45pm

re: #793 ArmyWife

Good evening all!

Evening, ArmyWife!

811 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:33:58pm

re: #794 Irish Rose

And now, a little something for those who are tired of the health care debate:

FOX411 Exclusive: Rosie O’Donnell calls Elisabeth Hasselbeck a word that rhymes with ’swat’

Pile on lizards, you know you wanna!

Rosie is just pissed the Roseanne got the Hitler gig.

I just figured out how to tell Rosie and Roseanne apart. It's Roseanne with the Hitler mustache, and Rosie with the handlebars.

812 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:34:14pm
813 freetoken  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:34:30pm

re: #809 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're not implying that the NFL is a blood sport, are you?

814 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:34:35pm

re: #807 ArmyWife

suuurrreee you don't. Suuurrreee. ;)

If I did...I'd tell everybody in the world...Shamelessly...
Too much work for me...
Good evening AW!

815 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:34:51pm

re: #809 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow. I thought he would be shunned for life. He should have been, at least.

816 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:35:29pm

re: #809 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HOLY CRAP! MICHAEL VICK GOES TO THE EAGLES TOMORROW!

Well, you knew he was going *somewhere*...

817 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:35:59pm

re: #795 HoosierHoops

You don't realize How much I appreciate you posting about me on your blog...
From the bottom of my heart...Plus everyone knows if I really had a blog..It would be about Basketball...
Some stalkers are so vindictive...Dang...I don't run a blog for thousand frigging time!

You're welcome, Hoops.
Don't know if it will make much of a difference, though... Rodan uses statements that he knows are untrue to try and discredit good people, it's his modus operandi. And the majority of posters over at Deuce aren't interested in the truth.

I hope they get it though, for your sake.

818 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:36:02pm

re: #809 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HOLY CRAP! MICHAEL VICK GOES TO THE EAGLES TOMORROW!

Perfect backup...Maybe TO will come back..
/ouch to Philly

819 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:36:44pm

re: #809 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HOLY CRAP! MICHAEL VICK GOES TO THE EAGLES TOMORROW!

Shoot, I like the Eagles.

820 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:36:50pm

re: #818 HoosierHoops

Perfect backup...Maybe TO will come back..
/ouch to Philly

Silver Lining? Phili Phans will beat the shit out of protesters.

821 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:36:57pm

re: #800 Sharmuta

That still doesn't mean their report is wrong.

No, but spun like heck.

We had the same headlines back in the 90s with Clinton.

Most of the militias turned out to be a couple good ole boys, calling themselves a militia.

Just consider the source. SPLC is pretty hard left, has made a ton of money ($80-90 million IIRC) doing the same thing Jackson does. SPLC has a vested interest in the story being true. They make money off heightened racial tensions.

Going on memory SPLC had a piece of the Duke Rape case, and kept it going.

Without confirmation, it's not any more credible than World Nut Daily.

822 freetoken  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:37:07pm

Gadgetry run amok in digital cameras:

SAMSUNG UNVEILS INNOVATIVE CAMERAS WITH WORLD’S FIRST FRONT AND BACK LCD SCREENS

823 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:37:09pm

They just gassed the car

824 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:37:19pm

re: #754 HoosierHoops

Duly noted. I like you too, Hoops.

825 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:38:02pm

Ok, because I care about you, once again I sacrifice my health and safety to go to DU to see their response to this memo. I shall return - a little worse for wear, not doubt, but back nonetheless.

826 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:38:05pm

He's not coming out.

827 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:38:08pm
828 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:38:15pm

re: #823 Killgore Trout

They just gassed the car

With the price of gas?!

Are they crazy!

//

829 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:38:30pm

re: #824 Cato the Elder

Don't have a group hug without me, ok?

830 kansas  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:38:36pm

re: #739 Wendya

He is a vile, scumbag, ambulance chaser.

Wendya, try to not be so redundant. ; )

831 calcajun  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:38:37pm

re: #819 midwestgak

I thought that might happen-- put him behind McNabb

832 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:38:50pm

re: #827 buzzsawmonkey

Heresy though it may be, I'm bored with electronic wanking.

You mean they now have a machine that can do that?

833 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:38:59pm

He's probably dead.

834 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:39:07pm

Vick got a two year deal.

I hope he is truly repentant and gets a starting position. And, since I am a Cowboys fan, I hope he loses every game.

835 freetoken  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:39:17pm

re: #821 jcm


Without confirmation, it's not any more credible than World Nut Daily.


Disagree.

Yes, the SPLC is biased, since they were established to fight racism and thus self-select causes based around racism. However, they are far, far, more credible than WND.

836 jaunte  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:39:31pm

re: #827 buzzsawmonkey

You'll be getting an email from Wan King Electronics Corporation soon.

837 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:39:49pm

re: #831 calcajun

I thought that might happen-- put him behind McNabb

A two year contract.

838 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:39:52pm
839 3 wood  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:40:21pm

Good evening.

The market was up about half a percent today.

US Stocks Close Slightly Higher On Fincls, Materials

The continued improvement of economic sentiment helped materials companies and banks, including Bank of America and Regions Financial, pace stocks slightly higher Thursday and offset the decline of consumer companies on a drop in retail sales.

For Thursday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed up 36.58 points, or 0.39%, at 9398.19, marking its highest close since Nov. 4. Bank of America was the index's leading gainer, up 1.07, or 6.7%, at 17. Among other rallying financials, Regions Financial rose 38 cents, or 5.2%, to 7.88, and SunTrust increased 1.21, or 6%, to 21.27.

For financials, Thursday's gains come on the heels of a Federal Reserve-sparked rally on Wednesday and more than a month's worth of steady increases. Burt White, chief investment officer for LPL Financial, said investors will continue to flock into the sector for some time, even though he doesn't think the fundamental trends match the recent upswing.

"Other than a steep yield curve, how are they going to make money?" said White. "But right now, the market doesn't care, it cares about the trade. The trade has been they are coming off the brink of extinction, and its propelling all of them higher."

840 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:40:30pm

re: #824 Cato the Elder

Duly noted. I like you too, Hoops.

Sorry Cato...She was a Champion in High School...
Hope you are well

841 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:40:36pm

re: #821 jcm

Facts don't get cooties because they came from a leftist source.

842 esch  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:40:39pm

re: #822 freetoken

Gadgetry run amok in digital cameras:

SAMSUNG UNVEILS INNOVATIVE CAMERAS WITH WORLD’S FIRST FRONT AND BACK LCD SCREENS

The first word I thought of was 'narcissism'. A mirror on the front isn't good enough. NO, you have to have the non-reversed image so you see exactly what you look like.

Although don't most teenage girls do self portraits with cell phones? What's the real market for this?

843 freetoken  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:40:49pm

re: #827 buzzsawmonkey

Well, you could always join the large format film renaissance.

844 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:41:01pm

re: #791 Sharmuta

Blood and Politics: This new book about White Supremacists explains why you should worry

Hmmm, thanks for posting that.

845 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:41:04pm

re: #812 buzzsawmonkey

Is he taking his Vap-O-Rub?

Oh, dear lord. I just got that.

846 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:41:24pm

re: #838 buzzsawmonkey

Probably.

I was referring, however, to the hypnotized fascination with glittery little gadgets that do things we really don't need done.

Like Obama?

847 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:41:39pm

re: #835 freetoken

Disagree.

Yes, the SPLC is biased, since they were established to fight racism and thus self-select causes based around racism. However, they are far, far, more credible than WND.

Okay, hyperbole on my part about WND. ;-)

848 J.S.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:41:44pm

re: #800 Sharmuta

true. However, it just means that additional caution should be exercised before taking what they claim at face value...(have to look at what kind of evidence is brought forward to support the claims, is it credible, etc. -- same, as I'm sure most everyone here does, with any potentially biased/prejudicial source...)

849 HelloDare  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:42:31pm

re: #794 Irish Rose

And now, a little something for those who are tired of the health care debate:

FOX411 Exclusive: Rosie O’Donnell calls Elisabeth Hasselbeck a word that rhymes with ’swat’

Pile on lizards, you know you wanna!

She called her a ZWAT? The Altay China airport? What the hell did she mean by that?

850 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:42:41pm
851 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:42:44pm

I hope someone is recording 'Countdown.'

852 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:42:47pm

re: #844 Killgore Trout

You're welcome. It's not available from my local library, so I'll likely buy a copy.

853 jcm  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:43:04pm

re: #841 Sharmuta

Facts don't get cooties because they came from a leftist source.

No, but when a source as a vested monetary interest in their "facts" a grain or tumbler of salt is in order.

854 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:43:19pm

re: #792 Sharmuta

I didn't think I needed a sarc tag.

just saying, I'm on board and I'm not happy about the disconnect

855 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:44:44pm

re: #834 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Vick got a two year deal.

I hope he is truly repentant and gets a starting position. And, since I am a Cowboys fan, I hope he loses every game.

bummer...I don't like it, but he is a free man...so be it

856 3 wood  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:47:26pm

re: #834 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Vick got a two year deal.

I hope he is truly repentant and gets a starting position. And, since I am a Cowboys fan, I hope he loses every game.

First, I am very surprised that he got signed, I thought they would want to see him play elsewhere first and prove he could still play. I was wrong.

Second, football contracts are not guaranteed. I've not heard the specifics but I doubt he got very little as a signing bonus, which is the only real hard money of the deal. He can be cut tomorrow.

857 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:47:28pm

I'm back. Strangely silent - at least on the front page. I didn't dig deeper than that - even I have only so much bravery to my name.

858 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:48:37pm

re: #619 SanFranciscoZionist

But admit it--Ashkenazi cuisine is not exactly legendary...

I keep trying to find out if you can be Mizrachi by choice.

SFZ -

Brisket "Stew" with Kasha doesn't exactly suck, Balls of Matzot, made with Seltzer, are a JOY, made with Water, they are "Beisbols" - amazingly, the difference is that "Greenhouse Gas," Carbon Dioxide. If by "Mizrachi" you mean "Sephardic" - as Mizrachi literally means "Egyptian" - different cuisine, diffeent rules for Pesach. My Boss is Sephardic, I rag him about how Sephardic Rules are different and easier on Passover Food.

-S-

859 albusteve  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:48:56pm

re: #856 3 wood

First, I am very surprised that he got signed, I thought they would want to see him play elsewhere first and prove he could still play. I was wrong.

Second, football contracts are not guaranteed. I've not heard the specifics but I doubt he got very little as a signing bonus, which is the only real hard money of the deal. He can be cut tomorrow.

I don't want him affiliated with the NFL...the whole thing stinks

860 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:49:32pm

re: #710 yochanan

Edwards, a two-time two-timing Democratic presidential candidate, confessed last August to having an affair with Rielle Hunter, who served as a videographer on Edwards' 2008 campaign. He has denied fathering her daughter, saying his relationship with Hunter ended before the child was conceived.

FTFT.

/fixed that for them

861 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:51:49pm

re: #819 midwestgak

Shoot, I like the Eagles.

So do I. So, I wonder how McNabb feels about that?

862 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:53:51pm

re: #826 Killgore Trout

He's not coming out.

Who's not coming out? Michael Vick? John Edwards?

863 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:54:28pm

Have you heard Hillary is in Nigeria talking about how unfair the 2000 election was and suggesting, agin, that Bush's brother fixed the votes and that he didnt really win..

we have truther, nirthers, and liars like Hildog here need a name

864 quiet man  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:55:28pm

re: #862 Ward Cleaver
Edwards came out..a while ago...I am betting he wishes he kept it in his pants these days

865 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:56:26pm
866 SummerSong  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:57:30pm

I'm going to guess that the dude in the red VW has killed himself?

867 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:00:01pm

I'm in the mood for some Trek.
BBL.

868 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:05:45pm

re: #858 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

Actually "Halal" is easier yet. Muslims allow Shellfish - though they Hate Dogs.
Given the tradeoff, I will keep "Melech the Wonder Shepherd" - a being that seems to love me without reserve - the old Washington Pundit was right, I f you want a friend - Buy a Dog.

-S-

869 Scion9  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:09:23pm

re: #852 Sharmuta

A review on Zeskind's book. From a 'leftist' source no less. Thought you might find it useful.

870 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:11:56pm

re: #862 Ward Cleaver

Who's not coming out? Michael Vick? John Edwards?

Ward Cleaver -

Looks like Mike Vick will be playing for the EAGLES. Wish him Luck and Wish him Grace and Redemption. In my Life I have Screwed Up - Royally. Vick has as well, and served time for it, as I have NOT. I wish him well and hope "time" has taught him the right lessons.
That is all.

-S-

871 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:11:59pm

HuffPo blew the whistle on ObamaCare? I'm still expecting to wake up at any moment and exclaim, "Whew! It was all just a dream!"

872 3 wood  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:11:59pm

re: #859 albusteve

I don't want him affiliated with the NFL...the whole thing stinks

I agree, but the NFL does not care about character issues. They've got dopers, wife beaters and murderers playing in the NFL. It's all about whether or not you can play. I just don't think he has shown that he can still play, but then again it's not my money paying him either.

873 freetoken  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:12:51pm

re: #869 Scion9

The final summary of that reviewL

Zeskind's more controversial thesis should stick with us, though. Conspiracy theories about the "real rulers of the world" and anger at policies that might lift up minorities are very, very easily transmitted into mainstream politics. It's not a "double standard" or an act of political witch-hunting to ask whether a new conservative idea, wrapped up as an appeal to America's founding principles, is actually a throwback to base racism.

874 J.S.  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:19:24pm

re: #869 Scion9

that's a great review...What I hear (here in Canada) is that all (or the "majority") of Americans are, of course, gun toting, fanatical KKK racists...and that goes double for any "right-wingers."

875 TedStriker  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:21:11pm

re: #744 jcm

Burmese Justice
Smarter sanctions against the Burmese generals after their latest sentence of Suu Kyi.

The Burmese junta is going to make damn sure Suu Kyi dies under house arrest, tucked and hidden away from world view...she'll never be a free woman, as long as the junta's in power.

876 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:23:31pm

The robot is looking into the car right now.

877 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:31:54pm

re: #869 Scion9

Thanks.

878 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:41:21pm

If whomever wasn't dead, they sure as hell are now.

879 EaterOfFood  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:40:08pm

This is the perfect time for the GOP to get its S-H-I-T together. Or will they, like the Arabs, never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity?

880 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:47:09pm
881 tradewind  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:06:03pm

re: #870 Dr. Shalit

I get the sentiment, and I hope he's turned it around, but doing what he did was not a mistake... it was an ugly indictment of something within him that either couldn't recognize sadism or welcomed it in.
I hope the fans show up with spiked collars to toss on the field.

882 Pupdawg  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 4:42:29am

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Is this what they mean when they say someone has "bought the Pharm?"

Pharm out!

When confronted with the HuffPo leak and apparent treasonous racist smear tactic an undisclosed White House spokesperson replied, 'No pharm no fowl.'

...and someone had suggested President Obama had no love for American Pharmers!

883 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 6:46:20am

re: #369 zombie

Wow. This "Big Pharm" memo is crushing to Obama, totally catching him red-handed in a major lie. This is devastating to his credibility and to the chances of the health care bill.

But the really big news is that Huffington Post is the one blowing the whistle. The Honeymoon is most definitely O-ver!

I'll be watching to see how many Obama supporters in the media, now that their Prince Charming has been caught in a lie & cheating on them, will simply shrug and say, "But I still love him, I can't leave him."

884 Pupdawg  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:54:13am

Didn't President Obama also 'buy' the support of the AMA for he and his parties NHCP to the tune of over 100 billion dollars, or thearabouts? The Chicago way...buy off those who'll bite with someone elses hard-earned money and sick the union goons on those who do not or who are not worthy of an offer. There seems to always be windows to be smashed by the goons whether elected or not. These guys from the Oval Office down to the brown-shirt union rank and file really, seriously stink!


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