For whatever reasons, Ray, call it … fate, call it luck, call it karma. I believe everything happens for a reason. I believe that we were destined to get thrown out of this dump.
— Dr. Peter Venkman
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jan 24, 2010 10:59:22pm |
I won't be long. I just couln't sleep. This is pissing me off.
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freetoken Sun, Jan 24, 2010 11:07:52pm |
re: #2 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sorry to hear you are still struggling with the insomnia. I've already shared with you my best advice.
Have you tried staying awake through the night until the next day's sunset, in order to reset the body's clock?
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Jan 24, 2010 11:28:50pm |
Bunny Lebowski: Uli doesn't care about anything. He's a Nihilist.
The Dude: Ah, that must be exhausting.
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drag0n Mon, Jan 25, 2010 12:37:40am |
re: #2 Cannadian Club Akbar
Glenn Greenwald always puts me to sleep when I have insomnia... I snark not!
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MartiansAteMyCat Mon, Jan 25, 2010 12:53:35am |
Well, it looks like Avatar is now the #2 film in US box office history. More than likely, it will surpass Titanic.
All Time Domestic (BoxOfficeMojo)
Granted, the ticket prices are higher now, and many people are seeing Avatar in 3-D IMAX which is the priciest, but still. I saw it for the first time last week and had to drive to a different theatre because all the IMAX shows were sold out at the first one I went to. Five weeks in! Amazing.
BTW, I did enjoy it very much and plan to see it again.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 25, 2010 1:03:04am |
re: #8 MartiansAteMyCat
I figure when the crowds die down (at IMAX), I might treat myself to a b-day present of viewing the movie in 3D.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 25, 2010 2:25:16am |
Morning Lizards.
My plan for an early morning run have been thwarted by thunderstorms. So you get my company instead!
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srb1976 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 2:33:49am |
re: #12 rwdflynavy
Morning! seems to be an awfully slow day here....
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srb1976 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 2:44:09am |
Yay! it worked....updating my picture of Her Royal Stoutness
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 25, 2010 2:51:00am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 3:45:20am |
re: #14 srb1976
Yay! it worked...updating my picture of Her Royal Stoutness
You're gonna' need a big stick one day to keep all the boys at bay! She's adorable.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 3:46:49am |
My eyes suck. Good morning. And thanks Freetoken for the advice.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 3:47:37am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 3:48:23am |
re: #19 sattv4u2
Representing his president,
Hugo Chavez
/
I bet he doesn't take three-minute showers at home.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 3:50:46am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 3:52:56am |
My radio just said a Nazi party adopted a strech of highway in Colorado. To clean it up. I hate Colorado Nazis.
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abolitionist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 3:53:30am |
re: #16 MandyManners
What is Sean Penn doing in Haiti?
Hope they brought with them everything they may need, and then some.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 3:53:45am |
re: #24 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said a Nazi party adopted a strech of highway in Colorado. To clean it up. I hate Colorado Nazis.
especially anal retentave clean freak ones!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 3:56:46am |
re: #25 abolitionist
Hope they brought with them everything they may need, and then some.
Oh, dear me. Is Edwards using this tragedy as a vehicle to help him "rehabilitate" himself in the MFM?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 3:56:57am |
re: #25 abolitionist
Can someone be a bigger POS than John Edwards? Wife has cancer, so go nail some staff member. Makes me wanna smack that Southern Drawl out of his mouth.
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abolitionist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 3:59:55am |
re: #27 MandyManners
Oh, dear me. Is Edwards using this tragedy as a vehicle to help him "rehabilitate" himself in the MFM?
Do you suppose Edwards even knows who Penn's good buddy Chevez is?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:00:39am |
re: #29 Taqyia2Me
Yes, it is shamefully so.
Was admitting paternity the first step? Notice how he just now admitted it? On the same day that he admitted it, he announced he was going down there.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:01:12am |
re: #30 abolitionist
Do you suppose Edwards even knows who Penn's good buddy Chevez is?
That's how networking works!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:01:20am |
re: #30 abolitionist
Do you suppose Edwards even knows who Penn's good buddy Chevez is?
Sure he knows.
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:01:42am |
'Morning, all y'all.
While I've been heartily booed before in performance of my job duties, I doubt that any second guessing that I've endured job related wise can hold a candle to what Brett Favre is undergoing around the old water coolers today.
Minn. should remember, absent Favre they'd have likely been sitting back home instead of coming within a play of the Super Bowl.
Yeah. I'm a fan.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:05:26am |
re: #32 MandyManners
Was admitting paternity the first step? Notice how he just now admitted it? On the same day that he admitted it, he announced he was going down there.
Good God in heaven, this man simply will not go away.
Speaking for the male of the species, I am sorry for this sorry excuse for what passes for democrat charisma and leadership.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:05:51am |
re: #35 razorbacker
That was just a piss poor throw. Long ride back to Minneapolis, I bet.
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:07:03am |
A question for those of you in the sales field.
I was contacted about taking a temp sales job. Good gig, twelve weeks with nationwide travel and nice pay, all expenses paid.
But they want me to submit a video presentation. I've never been asked to do that. Has that become standard practice?
I'm half-inclined to tell them to p*ss up a rope, but if it's the norm nowadays I guess I can cobble together something.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:08:19am |
re: #36 Taqyia2Me
Good God in heaven, this man simply will not go away.
Speaking for the male of the species, I am sorry for this sorry excuse for what passes for democrat charisma and leadership.
Am I being too cynical in noticing the fact that he announced paternity the same day that he announced he was going to Haiti?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:08:29am |
re: #38 razorbacker
Send them a Paris Hiltom video and tell them there was a mix up.:)
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:09:05am |
re: #37 Cannadian Club Akbar
I bet. Shoot, under the circumstances I'd probably just have collected the wife and kid and gone on home to Kiln.
But then, I ain't never been a pro quarterback.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:10:23am |
re: #39 MandyManners
Am I being too cynical in noticing the fact that he announced paternity the same day that he announced he was going to Haiti?
I do not think you can be too cynical regarding John Edwards, D-North Carolina.
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:11:06am |
re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar
I like your style. And that video has proven to be a sales aid, having catapulted Ms. Hilton to fame absent any other demonstrated ability.
Yes. That may work.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:11:39am |
re: #42 Taqyia2Me
I do not think you can be too cynical regarding John Edwards, D-North Carolina.
His statement about paternity noted how he's looking forward to getting to know her yet on the same day he leaves the country?!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:12:12am |
re: #43 razorbacker
I like your style. And that video has proven to be a sales aid, having catapulted Ms. Hilton to fame absent any other demonstrated ability.
Yes. That may work.
Just don't show your wahoo while going commando getting out of a SUV.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:12:42am |
re: #26 sattv4u2
especially anal retentave clean freak ones!
Are they going to make an Autobahn out of it and remove the speed limit?
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:13:20am |
re: #44 MandyManners
His statement about paternity noted how he's looking forward to getting to know her yet on the same day he leaves the country?!
Real father of the year material there.
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:13:54am |
Paris Hilton is a disgusting whore.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:14:55am |
re: #47 Taqyia2Me
Real father of the year material there.
/
I about choked when I heard that bit about how he hopes she can forgive him one day.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:15:05am |
re: #16 MandyManners
What is Sean Penn doing in Haiti?
On the run from the law
Staying out of my hair
Making a nuisance of himself
Looking for his lost shaker of salt
Baling out the boat
Peace. Freedom. Movies.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:15:09am |
re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar
Paris HiltonJohn Edwards is a disgusting whore.
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:15:18am |
re: #45 MandyManners
Show it?
I ain't even shaved it yet.
Speaking of Mr. Edwards; feminists and for that matter everyone who thinks that Hillary would have made a better POTUS (no doubt, a growing group) should be particularly peeved at My Silky Pony.
Absent John, HRC would likely have been the Dem. nominee.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:16:34am |
re: #50 SteveC
On the run from the law
Staying out of my hair
Making a nuisance of himself
Looking for his lost shaker of salt
Baling out the boat
Peace. Freedom. Movies.
Creative.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:17:15am |
re: #52 razorbacker
Show it?
I ain't even shaved it yet.
Speaking of Mr. Edwards; feminists and for that matter everyone who thinks that Hillary would have made a better POTUS (no doubt, a growing group) should be particularly peeved at My Silky Pony.
Absent John, HRC would likely have been the Dem. nominee.
Why do you say that?
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:17:17am |
re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar
Paris Hilton is a disgusting whore.
Ok, everybody can go home now. The truth has been spoken!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:17:49am |
A Ghostbusters' thread?
(wipes away tear)
A Ghostbusters' thread?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:18:50am |
re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A Ghostbusters' thread?
(wipes away tear)
A Ghostbusters' thread?
Every thread is a Ghostbusters thread to you.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:19:03am |
re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A Ghostbusters' thread?
(wipes away tear)
A Ghostbusters' thread?
Hey, I don't need this abuse. i got thousands of people waiting to abuse me!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:22:39am |
My radio just said that people that are ambidextrous might have attention problems look a bird.
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:23:15am |
re: #54 MandyManners
Why do you say that?
I read part of the book.
Perhaps Edward's voters would have broken Obama, but I figure if John wasn't there HRC would have picked up enough of his folks to have made it through the preliminary bouts.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:23:42am |
re: #38 razorbacker
A question for those of you in the sales field.
I was contacted about taking a temp sales job. Good gig, twelve weeks with nationwide travel and nice pay, all expenses paid.
But they want me to submit a video presentation. I've never been asked to do that. Has that become standard practice?
I'm half-inclined to tell them to p*ss up a rope, but if it's the norm nowadays I guess I can cobble together something.
You still here?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:24:21am |
re: #60 razorbacker
I read part of the book.
Perhaps Edward's voters would have broken Obama, but I figure if John wasn't there HRC would have picked up enough of his folks to have made it through the preliminary bouts.
I never got the impression that he was a significant player. I reckon I was wrong.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:25:10am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:26:19am |
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:26:30am |
Sometimes you wonder if the techs even know how to use the pulse oximeter. What do you mean that the best oxygen saturation reading you can get is 78%?
Then you go into the room and notice that the child is only breathing 6 times per minute. And you notice that the child appears dusky. And you can’t feel a pulse.
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:28:01am |
re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar
Paris Hilton is a disgusting whore.
Really? Would you go so far as to label her disgusting?
After all, given her circumstances I think that she has done an exceptional job becoming whatever she is today.
Look at the facts. No talents or abilities to speak of. A pleasant physical appearance but not a beauty. Nobody has, to date, commented on her mental agility.
And yet, she has what so very many in today's culture value above all else.
Fame.
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:29:00am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:29:04am |
re: #66 razorbacker
Really? Would you go so far as to label her disgusting?
After all, given her circumstances I think that she has done an exceptional job becoming whatever she is today.
Look at the facts. No talents or abilities to speak of. A pleasant physical appearance but not a beauty. Nobody has, to date, commented on her mental agility.
And yet, she has what so very many in today's culture value above all else.
Fame.
Skinny and no boobs.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:29:19am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:30:05am |
re: #38 razorbacker
Right now. As we speak; sales people all over the country are putting together pitch videos.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:31:14am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:31:19am |
re: #67 razorbacker
Wanted to chat about the video thing.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:33:29am |
At last report, the team performed over 20 surgeries today in two operating rooms.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:34:11am |
re: #71 MandyManners
And she could have the best money can buy.
True, but if I had to sit across from here for dinner I would end up dangling from the rafters.
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:34:16am |
re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Right now. As we speak; sales people all over the country are putting together pitch videos.
Huh.
I'll be damned (not right away, you understand. Eventually.)
I've been out of the gig for the last decade. Got tired of travel after it became such a hassle post 2001 and started doing something else.
I never had to present a video before.
Oh well. I've got a digital camera that'll do. I'll give it a shot.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:35:02am |
Brett Favre is certainly considering retirement this morning.
I'll bet he can't even sit up.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:36:24am |
Guido Bertolaso, Italy's well-respected civil protection chief, said what was needed was a single international civilian coordinator to take charge, and for individual countries and aid agencies to stop flying their flags and posing for TV cameras and get to work.
SNIP
GO SUCK ON A NOODLE, GUIDO!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:36:52am |
re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar
True, but if I had to sit across from here for dinner I would end up dangling from the rafters.
For all we know, she might make brilliant dinner conversation.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:37:19am |
re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm not sure Indy has any idea what is about to happen to them.
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:37:41am |
re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Brett Favre is certainly considering retirement this morning.
I'll bet he can't even sit up.
Man took a pounding.
'Course, Peyton took a pounding first half.
They got it rolling second half, though.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:39:04am |
re: #78 MandyManners
For all we know, she might make brilliant dinner conversation.
I know you're a girl and all but ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
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jdog29 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:39:10am |
re: #77 MandyManners
If you ever try to help people, you will get a boat load of criticism coming from people who are DOING NOTHING.
These critics do not want to help anyone. They just want to discourage you from helping anyone.
SNIP
GO SUCK ON A NOODLE, GUIDO!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:39:42am |
re: #75 razorbacker
It has become increasingly popular. If you are hiring, you can watch twelve 5 minute pitch videos in an hour. Interviewing 12 people to get to the "first impression" can take three days.
Sometimes it is also a simple request to see how well people are willing to follow directions. (A way to sort out wheat from chaff quickly)
Do a simple sales pitch on Your personal features, advantages and benefits!
Show them everybody's favorite radio station. WII, FM. (what's in it for me)...
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:39:57am |
re: #79 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm not sure Indy has any idea what is about to happen to them.
Will Smith: PEACE! Nuttin' but love to ya! Nuttin' but love... they don't know what's about to happen, do they?
Jeff Goldblum: Not a f*ckin' clue.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:40:40am |
re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar
I know you're a girl and all but ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Not at all. She's been trained in the social arts and she probably knows a lot about popular culture. Of course, if you wanted to talk about John Locke she'd probably come up short.
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:41:50am |
re: #77 MandyManners
SNIP
GO SUCK ON A NOODLE, GUIDO!
Now Mandy.
Don't be so harsh.
After all, where would Haiti be right now without the armada of ships and planes delivering vitally needed aid from Italy?
Oh. Right.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:41:57am |
re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar
Mandy has a point. I've heard some people talk about her, and say that her dumb-assedness is her schtick. That, out of the view of the "masses" she's actually pretty smart.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:42:04am |
re: #83 jdog29
If you ever try to help people, you will get a boat load of criticism coming from people who are DOING NOTHING.
These critics do not want to help anyone. They just want to discourage you from helping anyone.
I think there's a huge dose of pure envy.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:42:07am |
re: #86 MandyManners
Not at all. She's been trained in the social arts and she probably knows a lot about popular culture.
Damn, Mandy, you make it sound like an Educational Opportunity!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:42:31am |
re: #86 MandyManners
Not at all. She's been trained in the social arts and she probably knows a lot about popular culture. Of course, if you wanted to talk about John Locke she'd probably come up short.
I'm sure after talking purses and doggie style she would run out of stuff to talk about.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:42:46am |
re: #87 razorbacker
Now Mandy.
Don't be so harsh.
After all, where would Haiti be right now without the armada of ships and planes delivering vitally needed aid from Italy?
Oh. Right.
Projection-envy.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:43:16am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:43:53am |
re: #90 SteveC
Damn, Mandy, you make it sound like an Educational Opportunity!
I also guarantee that she has impecable table etitquette.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:44:07am |
re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hell, she might even surprise you on John Locke.
Hey Mandy? Who's John Locke?
Tight end for the Brooklyn Bulldogs, 1934-38.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:44:22am |
re: #91 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm sure after talking purses and doggie style she would run out of stuff to talk about.
I doubt she'd bring the dog into the restaurant.
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jdog29 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:44:48am |
re: #89 MandyManners
I think there's a huge dose of pure envy.
I agree. I also think it comes out of the fear everyone will notice these people do nothing for anyone but themselves with their entire lives.
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:45:47am |
re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That makes sense.
Frankly, I've never liked the way I look on video. Does my nose really wander that far left? Man, I could stand to color my hair. Is that my voice, or has Ernest T. Bass snuck in the room?
I was always my own worst critic.
Well, then I got married and that job was taken by someone more qualified.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:45:58am |
re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hell, she might even surprise you on John Locke.
Hey Mandy? Who's John Locke?
He was a 16th Century political theorist. Ever heard of the Social Contract?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:46:34am |
re: #97 jdog29
I agree. I also think it comes out of the fear everyone will notice these people do nothing for anyone but themselves with their entire lives.
Well, Milan turns out some nice shoes.
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:46:57am |
re: #86 MandyManners
Not at all. She's been trained in the social arts and she probably knows a lot about popular culture. Of course, if you wanted to talk about John Locke she'd probably come up short.
So that's what the kids are calling it nowadays.
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jdog29 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:47:17am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:48:52am |
re: #98 razorbacker
Regular people do not like the way the look on video.
Get over it.
"They say the camera adds ten pounds."
"How many cameras were on you?"
I gotta git. Darn. Be back at 9:30.
Please, y'all. Go look at my 36 from last night and ding it. I've never wanted to be in the top ten so bad....
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:48:54am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:49:27am |
re: #102 jdog29
So in other words, "Checkmate."
I read something about Italian cyclists sending water bottles.
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abolitionist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:50:23am |
Lebanon says sabotage unlikely in plane crash
Lebanon says Ethiopian plane crash site located
Russian-built aircraft crash-lands in Iran after catching fire
At least 42 people were hurt when the back of the Russian-made Tupolev aircraft was set alight, the IRNA state news agency said.Russia’s Federal Air Transport Agency said that “weather conditions and visibility problems were most likely behind the incident”.
Coincidence?
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jdog29 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:51:12am |
re: #106 MandyManners
I read something about Italian cyclists sending water bottles.
My broad generalizations don't include the obvious exceptions which make my broad genrealizations absurd. :-P //
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:51:39am |
re: #107 abolitionist
Lebanon says sabotage unlikely in plane crash
Lebanon says Ethiopian plane crash site located
Russian-built aircraft crash-lands in Iran after catching fire
Coincidence?
Both were Tupolevs?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:51:58am |
re: #108 jdog29
My broad generalizations don't include the obvious exceptions which make my broad genrealizations absurd. :-P //
You made my head spin.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:52:52am |
re: #98 razorbacker
I was always my own worst critic.
Well, then I got married and that job was taken by someone more qualified.
Average church service in the South is broken up one Sunday when the Devil appears, right in the front of the church. Everyone runs, except for this old may sitting on the 3rd row.
"Hey Mister! Do you know who I am?"
Old guy puts his glasses on. "Red skin, forked tail, horns and a pitchfork, I'd say you be tha debbil."
"That's right, old man! I am Satan himself!" The old man doesn't flinch.
"You don't seem to be scared of me."
"Nope."
Satan is confused and after a moment asks "Why not?"
The old man shrugs. "I been married to your sister for forty years."
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jdog29 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:53:39am |
re: #110 MandyManners
You made my head spin.
I'm just trying to come up with something else to make your head spin AGAIN. :-D
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:54:07am |
re: #103 MandyManners
So, the nation of Italy has been out-contributed by a couple of Hollywood starlets?
Harsh, I know.
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Liberal Classic Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:56:16am |
Gozer the Traveller! He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large and moving Torb. Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex Supplicants,
they chose a new form for him -- that of a Giant Sloar! Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:56:28am |
re: #112 jdog29
I'm just trying to come up with something else to make your head spin AGAIN. :-D
Too early in the a.m..
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:57:09am |
re: #113 razorbacker
So, the nation of Italy has been out-contributed by a couple of Hollywood starlets?
Harsh, I know.
The Kid said something the other day about the NBA giving a lot of money. Have you heard anything about it?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:58:00am |
re: #107 abolitionist
Lebanon says sabotage unlikely in plane crash
Lebanon says Ethiopian plane crash site located
Russian-built aircraft crash-lands in Iran after catching fireCoincidence?
No, Russian design feature...
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Liberal Classic Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:58:02am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:58:35am |
re: #116 MandyManners
The Kid said something the other day about the NBA giving a lot of money. Have you heard anything about it?
[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:59:17am |
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:59:24am |
re: #107 abolitionist
Lebanon says sabotage unlikely in plane crash
Lebanon says Ethiopian plane crash site located
Russian-built aircraft crash-lands in Iran after catching fireCoincidence?
I don't know. The Russian Supersonic airliner (the TU-144) never performed exactly as designed. One version, the 144S, had a nasty habit of exploding in mid flight. That tends to ruin your vacation.
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abolitionist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:00:10am |
re: #109 MandyManners
Both were Tupolevs?
Plane that took off from Lebanon was said to be a Boeing 737, according to video in my 2nd link.
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jdog29 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:00:22am |
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:00:24am |
re: #113 razorbacker
So, the nation of Italy has been out-contributed by a couple of Hollywood starlets?
Harsh, I know.
WHOOPS! There it is!
//
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:01:30am |
re: #122 abolitionist
Plane that took off from Lebanon was said to be a Boeing 737, according to video in my 2nd link.
Both were Middle East flights.
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jdog29 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:02:57am |
After watching EVERY CALL go for the Saints, I've decided that NFL pro football is entertainment like pro wrestling. I just don't understand why the fix wasn't in for Favre?
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:05:35am |
re: #125 MandyManners
Both were Middle East flights.
Jet aircraft are complicated devices, requiring strict and frequent maintenance to safely fly.
Ethiopia does not jump to mind when I think of complicated machines being frequently and properly maintained.
No doubt, that is because I am a racist, or some such.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:05:59am |
re: #126 jdog29
After watching EVERY CALL go for the Saints, I've decided that NFL pro football is entertainment like pro wrestling. I just don't understand why the fix wasn't in for Favre?
Kinda like the roughing the QB call that wasn't? The one where Farve went down?
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:08:23am |
re: #126 jdog29
After watching EVERY CALL go for the Saints, I've decided that NFL pro football is entertainment like pro wrestling. I just don't understand why the fix wasn't in for Favre?
Wassamattayou?
Tired of hearing how the Saints are the spirit of N'Awlins?
I pity you, for the next two weeks.
(I too, thought that some calls could have been made. But then, I was pulling for the Vikings.)
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:08:46am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:09:50am |
re: #127 razorbacker
Jet aircraft are complicated devices, requiring strict and frequent maintenance to safely fly.
Ethiopia does not jump to mind when I think of complicated machines being frequently and properly maintained.
No doubt, that is because I am a racist, or some such.
Facts are facts.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:12:22am |
I sure as hell would like to know why there is a new woman in my radio.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:12:23am |
IntelCenter, a US group that monitors Islamist websites, also said that manner of the release and the content of the message showed it was "credible" that it was a new release from the Saudi extremist.
"The Osama bin Laden audio message released to Al-Jazeera on 24 January 2010 contains specific language used by bin Laden in his statements in advance of attacks," IntelCenter said in a statement.
The group said it considered the language "a possible indicator of an upcoming attack" in the next 12 months.
"This phrase, 'Peace be upon those who follow guidance,' appears at the beginning and end of messages released in advance of attacks that are designed to provide warning to Al-Qaeda's enemies that they need to change their ways or they will be attacked," the group said.
SNIP
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razorbacker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:14:55am |
While I still have a bit of foolishness that I haven't exposed today I suppose that I'd best be getting busy with meatworld.
See y'all later.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:15:05am |
re: #129 razorbacker
Tired of hearing how the Saints are the spirit of N'Awlins?
Good morning America, how are ya?
Don't you know me, I'm your favorite son.
I'm the train they call The City of New Orleans,
I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:17:20am |
My radio just said the Haiti relief concert Friday raised 57 million dollars. Take that Italy.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:17:44am |
re: #136 SteveC
Good morning America, how are ya?
Don't you know me, I'm your favorite son.
I'm the train they call The City of New Orleans,
I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.
Where does the "who dat" slogan come from?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:18:37am |
re: #138 Walter L. Newton
Where does the "who dat" slogan come from?
Name a Saint. (football player)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:18:56am |
re: #126 jdog29
After watching EVERY CALL go for the Saints, I've decided that NFL pro football is entertainment like pro wrestling. I just don't understand why the fix wasn't in for Favre?
I honestly can't say which team I wanted to win more. Sure, I'm a Minnesotan, and I kinda have to root for the home team. But Drew Brees is a class act and an adopted Hoosier, and the Saints have been doing pretty well for themselves. It was a good game to watch, and I have to admit - Favre and Co. really did give the game away. Five freakin' turnovers.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:20:31am |
re: #139 Cannadian Club Akbar
Name a Saint. (football player)
No, I mean, what's the vernacular. I ask this seriously.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:20:57am |
re: #138 Walter L. Newton
From a Saint's fight song from back in the 80's when the Saints were decent. Along with the "Bentson Boogie" when the owner would dance around like one of the funeral bands in NOLa, with an umbrella.
"Hu Dat say, dey gonna beat dem Saints?
Hu dat? Hu dat?"
I think that's where it came from.
How's that? A direct answer.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:22:35am |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
From a Saint's fight song from back in the 80's when the Saints were decent. Along with the "Bentson Boogie" when the owner would dance around like one of the funeral bands in NOLa, with an umbrella.
"Hu Dat say, dey gonna beat dem Saints?
Hu dat? Hu dat?"I think that's where it came from.
How's that? A direct answer.
How long will it be before someone starts complaining that the fan vernacular "who dat" is racist. I ask this seriously. There was all sorts of complaints when Steele used a similar slang on the GOP website.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:22:39am |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I did not know that. Thank you. I thought it was because no one knew who they were.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:25:58am |
re: #147 albusteve
down there they say...where y'at?
I had a friend that lived there. Another friend went to visit and got stabbed.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:28:20am |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:28:22am |
unemployment?...all on the same three separate pages...again
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:28:46am |
re: #140 thedopefishlives
I honestly can't say which team I wanted to win more. Sure, I'm a Minnesotan, and I kinda have to root for the home team. But Drew Brees is a class act and an adopted Hoosier, and the Saints have been doing pretty well for themselves. It was a good game to watch, and I have to admit - Favre and Co. really did give the game away. Five freakin' turnovers.
Awful game and they still had a chance to pull it out in the end. I hope the saints aren't counting on the Colts fumbling the ball 6 times and tossing a couple INT's.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:30:41am |
re: #151 RogueOne
Awful game and they still had a chance to pull it out in the end. I hope the saints aren't counting on the Colts fumbling the ball 6 times and tossing a couple INT's.
Yeah, the Saints are gonna have to be on top of their game for the next one. They got handed this game on a silver platter and still only barely managed to squeak it out.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:32:08am |
re: #149 reine.de.tout
I was hoping you'd show up. Feelin' better? You should be.
For the first time in a while, I could really care less who won the Super Bowl, so, what the hell?
In honor of Toots! And the people who have struggled so hard in NOLa after the storm?
Go Saints.
Sorry, Hoops.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:32:31am |
re: #152 thedopefishlives
Go Colts! We're supposed to be headed to Miami tmrw or wednesday but we may put it off until next monday so we can be around for the festivities.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:33:11am |
Hey Morning Lizards!
Did I ever tell you that I HATE Mornings? Thank Bob for coffee.
How are you all?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:33:15am |
re: #154 RogueOne
Go Colts! We're supposed to be headed to Miami tmrw or wednesday but we may put it off until next monday so we can be around for the festivities.
No doubt. I think I'm gonna pick up the supplies for Dopefish's Magic Cheese Dip and whip up a batch for the Mrs. Fish and myself for the game.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:33:17am |
re: #147 albusteve
down there they say...where y'at?
In the South, everywhere is "down", no matter where it is on the map. I live in South Carolina, but I'm going down to Philadelphia in April. And in July I'm heading down to Houston.
You can insult the hell out of someone, but if you add the phrase "bless their little heart!" it makes it all better.
"Ol' SteveC is a dumbass jerk from the sticks, bless his little heart!"
Say "Ya'll", not "You'se".
Lean the difference between Naked and Nekked. If you are Naked, you don't have any clothes on. If you are Nekked, you don't have any clothes on, and you are up to something!
Lean these simple rules and you can speak Southern!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:33:23am |
re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was hoping you'd show up. Feelin' better? You should be.
For the first time in a while, I could really care less who won the Super Bowl, so, what the hell?
In honor of Toots! And the people who have struggled so hard in NOLa after the storm?
Go Saints.
Sorry, Hoops.
hey, FBV
Feeling much better today, thanks.
All that whining and complaining I did yesterday really helped. LOL.
That was an emotional win for the Saints, yesterday.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:34:05am |
re: #145 Walter L. Newton
Well, Steele sounds like a black person when he wants to.
Where have I heard that before...
Need to get into the "Way Back" machine.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:34:41am |
re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, Steele sounds like a black person when he wants to.
Where have I heard that before...
Need to get into the "Way Back" machine.
HRC?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:34:50am |
re: #127 razorbacker
Jet aircraft are complicated devices, requiring strict and frequent maintenance to safely fly.
Ethiopia does not jump to mind when I think of complicated machines being frequently and properly maintained.
No doubt, that is because I am a racist, or some such.
It would be . . .
Bush's fault.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:35:36am |
re: #152 thedopefishlives
Yeah, the Saints are gonna have to be on top of their game for the next one. They got handed this game on a silver platter and still only barely managed to squeak it out.
yeah, they knocked Farve down 15 times....probably had nothing to do with it...turnovers are part of the game and if you hand over the game, you must not be too good that day...sore losers
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:35:45am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:37:56am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:42:21am |
re: #163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, gosh.
That was my thirty-thousanth post at LGF as FBV.
How much time have I spent here? How much dumber would I be without you guys?
I talk a whole lot, but I don't say much. Thanks for putting up with me.
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andydp Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:43:08am |
Good morning everyone !! From the pages of the NY Daily News:
Bristol Palin vows no more pre-marital sex - and says other women should follow her lead
Posted on 2010-01-23 11:55:21
Bristol Palin's goal? No more pre-marital sex. The 19-year-old mom told Oprah Winfrey on Friday she's been depressed since the birth of her 13-month-old son, Tripp, and she won't make the same mistake twice.
Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Any further commentary ? Say about closing barn doors after the fire ? Or maybe becoming a "born again virgin" ? (
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:43:26am |
Well, off to shlep furniture. Mondays are considered the slow day, skeleton staff, production people (people who price all those clothes and bric-brac) are off Sun./Mon., and the only person in the warehouse is the furniture guy. So I have to take up the slack. Which means I get to monitor the donation station, I get to bring IN the 10-12 pallets of donated items from the route truck, I get to bring OUT any pallets ready for storage... and take care of my furniture department...
Slow day my ass.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:44:27am |
re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, gosh.
That was my thirty-thousanth post at LGF as FBV.
How much time have I spent here? How much dumber would I be without you guys?
I talk a whole lot, but I don't say much. Thanks for putting up with me.
Love ya, {FBV}
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:45:37am |
re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, gosh.
That was my thirty-thousanth post at LGF as FBV.
How much time have I spent here? How much dumber would I be without you guys?
I talk a whole lot, but I don't say much. Thanks for putting up with me.
We've put up with a lot worse than you over the years, FBV. I for one appreciate seeing your posts.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:47:37am |
re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, gosh.
That was my thirty-thousanth post at LGF as FBV.
How much time have I spent here? How much dumber would I be without you guys?
I talk a whole lot, but I don't say much. Thanks for putting up with me.
Just think, you'd have to spend time with CV.
:)
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:49:02am |
re: #166 andydp
Good morning everyone !! From the pages of the NY Daily News:
Bristol Palin vows no more pre-marital sex - and says other women should follow her lead
Posted on 2010-01-23 11:55:21
Bristol Palin's goal? No more pre-marital sex. The 19-year-old mom told Oprah Winfrey on Friday she's been depressed since the birth of her 13-month-old son, Tripp, and she won't make the same mistake twice.
Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Any further commentary ? Say about closing barn doors after the fire ? Or maybe becoming a "born again virgin" ? (
Hm.
Since my teen daughter was pregnant at the same time Bristol was ....
And since my teen daughter has been thru a similar period of devastating depression ...
And since my teen daughter, on her own, has come to the similar conclusions as Bristol ...
No, I for one will not be joining you in your gleeful bashing of Bristol Palin.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:51:25am |
re: #145 Walter L. Newton
How long will it be before someone starts complaining that the fan vernacular "who dat" is racist. I ask this seriously. There was all sorts of complaints when Steele used a similar slang on the GOP website.
It's common vernacular in New Orleans, hence the appropriation by the Saints.
To the general LGF readership - where does the Bengals Who Dey come from?
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:53:06am |
how to save water rain water in CA...tax it!
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
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Ericus58 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:57:22am |
re: #166 andydp
Next you'll be talking about crap from one of the sleeze mags found in the checkout line at the supermarket....
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:57:36am |
Because your bored and you just haven't found enough absurdity in life, I present
Nothing is Real: Paul was Replaced
a message board dedicated to Paul and the fake Paul, Faul.
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andydp Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:58:16am |
re: #172 Jeff In Ohio
It's common vernacular in New Orleans, hence the appropriation by the Saints.
To the general LGF readership - where does the Bengals Who Dey come from?
If any of you are old enough to remember the "Bowery Boys" movie series I distinctly remember one movie where "who dat?" was used. To quote: "Who dat that say who dat when I say who dat ?" I will bow to the assemblage for its current use in NOLa.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:58:21am |
re: #175 Jeff In Ohio
Because your bored and you just haven't found enough absurdity in life, I present
Nothing is Real: Paul was Replaceda message board dedicated to Paul and the fake Paul, Faul.
Wow, that's a layout and color scheme I haven't seen since the Geocities days.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:58:51am |
re: #171 reine.de.tout
My reaction to it is that she-- Bristol-- hasn't quite thought the process through.
The insight she has now she has gained only after a pregnancy and the depression that followed it. When she says that other girls should follow her lead, she really means that they should learn from her mistake without committing it. However, that's typically the hardest message to pass along to others-- it's hard to communicate from experience to those who lack the experience.
Given the unrealistic nature of wanting no pre-marital sex-- and the uncertain benefits of it-- to me this just makes me feel bad for Bristol Palin, and I wish that she would stop putting herself into the public spotlight.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:59:09am |
re: #173 albusteve
how to save water rain water in CA...tax it!
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
b-b-b-but - everybody has a right to water, don't they?
It's a basic requirement of life. Almost as basic as healthcare.
What happens to those who can't afford the technology or the tax? Is their water cut off?
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:59:19am |
re: #176 RogueOne
That's old, early 80's old.
Yes, but this is Cincinnati, the place where you want to be when the world ends as it is always 20 years behind the times.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:01:05am |
re: #177 andydp
If any of you are old enough to remember the "Bowery Boys" movie series I distinctly remember one movie where "who dat?" was used. To quote: "Who dat that say who dat when I say who dat ?" I will bow to the assemblage for its current use in NOLa.
Nice catch! I loved the Bowery Boys. I remembered 'who dat' from N.O. from the time I spent there with my brother. He was always saying it to me.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:01:28am |
re: #179 Obdicut
My reaction to it is that she-- Bristol-- hasn't quite thought the process through.
The insight she has now she has gained only after a pregnancy and the depression that followed it. When she says that other girls should follow her lead, she really means that they should learn from her mistake without committing it. However, that's typically the hardest message to pass along to others-- it's hard to communicate from experience to those who lack the experience.
Given the unrealistic nature of wanting no pre-marital sex-- and the uncertain benefits of it-- to me this just makes me feel bad for Bristol Palin, and I wish that she would stop putting herself into the public spotlight.
Well now, I agree with you, and you managed to say all of that without any sort of disrespectful idiotic commentary whatsoever (as from andydp upthread: Any further commentary ? Say about closing barn doors after the fire ? Or maybe becoming a "born again virgin" ?)
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:02:58am |
re: #179 Obdicut
My reaction to it is that she-- Bristol-- hasn't quite thought the process through.
The insight she has now she has gained only after a pregnancy and the depression that followed it. When she says that other girls should follow her lead, she really means that they should learn from her mistake without committing it. However, that's typically the hardest message to pass along to others-- it's hard to communicate from experience to those who lack the experience.
Given the unrealistic nature of wanting no pre-marital sex-- and the uncertain benefits of it-- to me this just makes me feel bad for Bristol Palin, and I wish that she would stop putting herself into the public spotlight.
What about the use of reliable contraceptives--or lack there of. Married, underage or not --isn't the use of reliable contraceptives important?
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:03:02am |
re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Stolen from NOLa?
the local brew Hudepold Beer, ordered as Hudey, redone by the Bengals Nation as Who Dey.
Hey, it's Cincinnati, welcome to the jungle.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:03:06am |
re: #182 Jeff In Ohio
Yes, but this is Cincinnati, the place where you want to be when the world ends as it is always 20 years behind the times.
I was right: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The bengals are claiming they started that saying and the saints stole it from them.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:03:45am |
re: #184 reine.de.tout
I think the lurid media attention to the families of politicians is a reason why many good people don't go into politics. I don't see any cure for it, however, except a vast cultural change that's unlikely to occur in either the public or the media.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:03:52am |
My radio just said Chemical Ali (Saddam's cousin) has been executed. Good.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:04:01am |
re: #186 Jeff In Ohio
There's a big german influence in cincy. Lots and lots of beer drinkers.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:04:26am |
re: #187 RogueOne
I was right: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The bengals are claiming they started that saying and the saints stole it from them.
The Bengals also claim every year to be a contender.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:04:31am |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said Chemical Ali (Saddam's cousin) has been executed. Good.
Wonder if they had a "I hate Mondays" poster on his cell wall.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:04:37am |
re: #185 ggt
What about the use of reliable contraceptives--or lack there of. Married, underage or not --isn't the use of reliable contraceptives important?
Oh, very. I'm sorry, I didn't realize I'd written anything that implied otherwise.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:05:03am |
re: #193 Obdicut
Oh, very. I'm sorry, I didn't realize I'd written anything that implied otherwise.
Not you, the article --Bristol herself.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:06:13am |
re: #190 RogueOne
We are Legion! Lot's of beer brewed here at one time. Sam Adams in brewery in the old Hudepold brewery along with Christian Morelein.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:06:21am |
re: #171 reine.de.tout
And imagine that your daughter had a large segment of the population pointing at her and snickering. Poor Bristol had more reasons to be depressed.
Sad, ain't it?
I wish folk'd leave these poor girls alone...
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:06:27am |
re: #186 Jeff In Ohio
the local brew Hudepold Beer, ordered as Hudey, redone by the Bengals Nation as Who Dey.
Hey, it's Cincinnati, welcome to the jungle.
Do they even make Little Kings anymore?
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:06:57am |
re: #195 Jeff In Ohio
PIMF - Sam Adams is brewed in the old Hudepold Brewery.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:08:19am |
re: #197 RogueOne
Do they even make Little Kings anymore?
I believe you can still get Little Kings...not sure why you'd want to....as well as Weiderman and Burger.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:08:31am |
re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And imagine that your daughter had a large segment of the population pointing at her and snickering. Poor Bristol had more reasons to be depressed.
Sad, ain't it?
I wish folk'd leave these poor girls alone...
Yep.
She had a tough enough time at school while she was pregnant, from idiots.
I told her the "sin" (for those who see it that way) was having sex - the mere fact of being pregnant was not in any way sinful, and she should hold her head high for making the difficult choice.
I'm quite proud of her.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:08:59am |
re: #194 ggt
Oh, right. Well, yeah, like I said, I think the message is one that is very difficult to convey, being based on personal experience, and that an attempt to not have sex before marriage is unwise on many levels. But given that we're talking about a nineteen year old girl who has had her life ruthlessly manhandled by the media, I'm not really concerned about attacking her message.
I don't think there's many people looking to Bristol Palin as the fount of wisdom; hopefully, there might be some girls who listen to the subtextual message-- that unwanted pregnancies can really screw your life up, so do what you can to prevent them.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:10:18am |
re: #197 RogueOne
btw, your the cartoon lover, yes? I got the Golden Age Looney Tunes Collection for Christmas and now make my girls watch some Warner Bros. cartoons before the movie on family movie night. They resisted at first, but now howl with laughter.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:10:21am |
re: #188 Obdicut
I think the lurid media attention to the families of politicians is a reason why many good people don't go into politics. I don't see any cure for it, however, except a vast cultural change that's unlikely to occur in either the public or the media.
The thing is that the attention does not have to be lurid - there can be a respectful disagreement or point of view, written the way you wrote your comment - or there can be this stupidity:
Any further commentary ? Say about closing barn doors after the fire ? Or maybe becoming a "born again virgin" ? (
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:11:01am |
re: #199 Jeff In Ohio
I believe you can still get Little Kings...not sure why you'd want to...as well as Weiderman and Burger.
Weideman beer, eww. My Aunt lived in one of the old stables they turned into houses when they switched from horses to trucks in Newport.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:12:11am |
re: #201 Obdicut
Oh, right. Well, yeah, like I said, I think the message is one that is very difficult to convey, being based on personal experience, and that an attempt to not have sex before marriage is unwise on many levels. But given that we're talking about a nineteen year old girl who has had her life ruthlessly manhandled by the media, I'm not really concerned about attacking her message.
I don't think there's many people looking to Bristol Palin as the fount of wisdom; hopefully, there might be some girls who listen to the subtextual message-- that unwanted pregnancies can really screw your life up, so do what you can to prevent them.
The whole -talking about responsbility, but not mentioning contraception -- meme is a hot button for me.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:13:39am |
re: #204 RogueOne
Weideman beer, eww. My Aunt lived in one of the old stables they turned into houses when they switched from horses to trucks in Newport.
Damn, man. I've spent a lot of time in Newport. The Jockey Club, Top Hat, Southgate House....Pepperpod....Anchor Grill and I hear they used to have a few, uh, stripper bars there. Things have changed!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:15:05am |
re: #200 reine.de.tout
It's kinda funny, in a way. Andy arrived here to a bunch of dings. Probably didn't think it through, and posted from the hip.
Andy? This is a pretty large and diverse community. I'm sure you didn't want to be hurtful.
Make a crack about abortions? Someone's scarred from one.
Make a wife beater joke? Someone's been beaten.
Make a special needs joke? There are parents of special needs children.
Make a fat joke?... Well...
Pretty long list of some pretty (otherwise) thickskinned people who are going to take an attack pretty seriously.
You get it. Just remember and any mud you sling may hit someone you may otherwise grow to admire.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:15:33am |
re: #203 reine.de.tout
True. Hey, I've been meaning to recommend a guy to you: Murray Kempton. He's the ultimate respectful journalist, who always wrote to try to find the best side of those he was writing about, who always tried to humanize people rather than make them into parodies of emotion.
Here's a great article on him:
[Link: findarticles.com...]
Various collections of his writings are easy to find. I think you'd like his gentleness.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:15:53am |
re: #202 Jeff In Ohio
btw, your the cartoon lover, yes? I got the Golden Age Looney Tunes Collection for Christmas and now make my girls watch some Warner Bros. cartoons before the movie on family movie night. They resisted at first, but now howl with laughter.
Good choice. I have just a few of the DVD sets for looney tunes, 3 & 4 IIRC. My Invader Zim season 1 DVD came in this last week too. Between Zim and football, I had a good weekend.
My wife and I have done date night on fridays since we got married. When her sister moved in we added her to the night and surprisingly, it's her favorite time of the week. I didn't think a teenager would enjoy just hanging out with family. She must not have done much of that before she moved in because she really looks forward to it.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:16:53am |
re: #206 Jeff In Ohio
Damn, man. I've spent a lot of time in Newport. The Jockey Club, Top Hat, Southgate House...Pepperpod...Anchor Grill and I hear they used to have a few, uh, stripper bars there. Things have changed!
Newport used to be the hotspot for cincy, then it turned into a bit of a slum in the 70's and 80's. They've done a nice job of cleaning it up over the last few decades.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:16:54am |
re: #207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's kinda funny, in a way. Andy arrived here to a bunch of dings. Probably didn't think it through, and posted from the hip.
Andy? This is a pretty large and diverse community. I'm sure you didn't want to be hurtful.
Make a crack about abortions? Someone's scarred from one.
Make a wife beater joke? Someone's been beaten.
Make a special needs joke? There are parents of special needs children.
Make a fat joke?... Well...Pretty long list of some pretty (otherwise) thickskinned people who are going to take an attack pretty seriously.
You get it. Just remember and any mud you sling may hit someone you may otherwise grow to admire.
Very good points, FBV
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SasyMomaCat Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:17:41am |
Drive-by posting to say good morning! Wow, looks like I missed an interesting week. Will be out for probably the next three weeks (yes, I got selected as a juror), but the judge's criminal court day is Monday, so I'll be popping in to say "hi" on those days. Just wanted to give a scaly wave to all you lizards and a welcome to all the newbies. Hope your week is FANTASTIC! Now, to catch up while I'm catching up! :)
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:18:05am |
re: #208 Obdicut
True. Hey, I've been meaning to recommend a guy to you: Murray Kempton. He's the ultimate respectful journalist, who always wrote to try to find the best side of those he was writing about, who always tried to humanize people rather than make them into parodies of emotion.
Here's a great article on him:
[Link: findarticles.com...]
Various collections of his writings are easy to find. I think you'd like his gentleness.
Looks very very interesting!
Bookmarked for further review - thank you!
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:18:16am |
re: #205 ggt
Yeah, I especially don't like the idea that 'no sex before marriage' is all you need to think about in terms of pregnancy. Would Bristol's life really be better if she had been married at the time? I don't think so.
However, again, when the person speaking is a nineteen year old girl, I don't hold her to high standards of wisdom and sagacity, especially when I know the entire mass media is ready to puck her statements down to the bone.
I can say that her message is one that I think is counterproductive and not fully thought out without saying that it indicates personal failings on her part, because I don't feel that it does.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:19:16am |
re: #212 SasyMomaCat
Drive-by posting to say good morning! Wow, looks like I missed an interesting week. Will be out for probably the next three weeks (yes, I got selected as a juror), but the judge's criminal court day is Monday, so I'll be popping in to say "hi" on those days. Just wanted to give a scaly wave to all you lizards and a welcome to all the newbies. Hope your week is FANTASTIC! Now, to catch up while I'm catching up! :)
Have fun in court. I wish we could hear all about it, but that'd be the quick way to get you off the jury and would probably wind up causing a mistrial to boot.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:21:56am |
re: #205 ggt
The whole -talking about responsbility, but not mentioning contraception -- meme is a hot button for me.
Same here.
And I know this will be a problem for many, but one (personal) issue I have with Palin is that she was (last year) perfectly happy to have Bristol marry Levi.
Two choices here: either she knew he was a jerk, and cynically claimed they'd be getting married even while knowing it wouldn't happen (bad)
or: She was perfectly happy to have her daughter marry that guy, purely because of the pregnancy (worse).
I suppose the third choice is she didn't know LJ was a tool until recently, but I don't buy that one. For all her failings, by all accounts Palin does care about her kids a great deal, and I don't believe that she was so disconnected from their lives and the people they're with that she could have missed the signs.
Apart from my other issues with Palin, this one really bothered me on a personal level.
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Ericus58 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:22:12am |
re: #179 Obdicut
-- to me this just makes me feel bad for Bristol Palin, and I wish that she would stop putting herself into the public spotlight.
Oh, I think the ex-hubby has her beat on that score....
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generalsparky Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:22:17am |
re: #200 reine.de.tout
Yep.
She had a tough enough time at school while she was pregnant, from idiots.
I told her the "sin" (for those who see it that way) was having sex - the mere fact of being pregnant was not in any way sinful, and she should hold her head high for making the difficult choice.I'm quite proud of her.
You are a very good mother :-)
My mother was 17 and unwed when I was born and that certainly made an impact on me.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:28:00am |
re: #216 iceweasel
. . .
I suppose the third choice is she didn't know LJ was a tool until recently, but I don't buy that one. For all her failings, by all accounts Palin does care about her kids a great deal, and I don't believe that she was so disconnected from their lives and the people they're with that she could have missed the signs.
Apart from my other issues with Palin, this one really bothered me on a personal level.
Actually - from my own family's experience - that absolutely can happen - Of course I can't say whether Palin was or was not fooled by this kid, all I know is that some of these guys can fool the grown-ups around them, for quite a bit of time.
I will say that like you, I also did not understand Palin wanting Bristol to proceed with a marriage to that guy, whatever she thought of him. Bristol was what - 16? 17? - way too young to be thinking about marriage to anyone. I absolutely did not allow such thoughts to even be entertained (as re: my daughter).
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:31:02am |
Breaking: Chemical Ali has been executed by the Iraqis. He was a cousin to Saddam and was intimately involved in Saddam's use of chemical weapons against the Kurds during the Anfal campaign - a genocidal ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of people.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:31:37am |
I got up way too early. I have a couple of hours before I have to respond to the world and the recliner is calling.
Have a great morning all!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:33:46am |
re: #220 lawhawk
Breaking: Chemical Ali has been executed by the Iraqis. He was a cousin to Saddam and was intimately involved in Saddam's use of chemical weapons against the Kurds during the Anfal campaign - a genocidal ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of people.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Sentenced to death 4 times for crimes against humanity. Too bad they couldn't execute him 4 times for all of them.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:35:16am |
re: #166 andydp
Good morning everyone !! From the pages of the NY Daily News:
Bristol Palin vows no more pre-marital sex - and says other women should follow her lead
Posted on 2010-01-23 11:55:21
Bristol Palin's goal? No more pre-marital sex. The 19-year-old mom told Oprah Winfrey on Friday she's been depressed since the birth of her 13-month-old son, Tripp, and she won't make the same mistake twice.
Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Any further commentary ? Say about closing barn doors after the fire ? Or maybe becoming a "born again virgin" ? (
I think Bristol ought to not be criticisied, for any of her choices -- including becoming the poster-girl for the abstinence movement.
She's caught up in a media frenzy and imo being exploited by those people. She's only what, 19 now?
And I believe that the work she's doing, including the magazine covers, and both based on her personal experiences and also out of a desire to have money in the bank for Tripp. I can't criticise her for any of that. I think she sincerely believes what she's saying and she's being exploited.
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:36:08am |
re: #222 thedopefishlives
Those four death sentences only scratch the surface of his genocidal rampage at the behest and order of Saddam.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:37:58am |
re: #219 reine.de.tout
Actually - from my own family's experience - that absolutely can happen - Of course I can't say whether Palin was or was not fooled by this kid, all I know is that some of these guys can fool the grown-ups around them, for quite a bit of time.
I will say that like you, I also did not understand Palin wanting Bristol to proceed with a marriage to that guy, whatever she thought of him. Bristol was what - 16? 17? - way too young to be thinking about marriage to anyone. I absolutely did not allow such thoughts to even be entertained (as re: my daughter).
I know some of these guys absolutely can fool the grown-ups around them, and do.
The problem for me is that the evidence that LJ was a jerk seems to have been there from the start-- like his myspace page. And I don't believe Palin missed those signs.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:39:12am |
re: #220 lawhawk
Breaking: Chemical Ali has been executed by the Iraqis. He was a cousin to Saddam and was intimately involved in Saddam's use of chemical weapons against the Kurds during the Anfal campaign - a genocidal ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of people.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
That was quick.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:39:19am |
Good grief.
Los Angeles-Thousands of felons will be early released on unsupervised probation, over budget and overcrowding issues. Crime is down in LA. Well, this will not help. Lock your doors etc. Just reported on "eyewitness" news. Figures.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:40:52am |
re: #224 lawhawk
Those four death sentences only scratch the surface of his genocidal rampage at the behest and order of Saddam.
An evil man from an evil regime. It's difficult for me, as an American, to comprehend the depths of depravity into which men like this descend. It's not something any of us has any real experience with, even for those who work with the worst violent criminal offenders. An American serial killer has nothing on this guy.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:41:51am |
re: #227 Rightwingconspirator
The triage is being done right now (a friend of mine is one of the guys working on it) and every effort is being bent to make sure that entirely non-violent, mainly felony drug offense and other similarly less-threatening guys are the ones being let back out.
However: they were non-violent and less threatening when they went into prison. Who knows what they learned in there?
Prison reform is probably the single most important un-talked-about issue in this country. I have no idea why people aren't incredibly outraged that our prisons basically function as criminal recruiting grounds.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:43:42am |
re: #229 Obdicut
Good to know. Tell your friend I said thanks for for the best they can on this.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:44:12am |
re: #229 Obdicut
Prison reform is probably the single most important un-talked-about issue in this country. I have no idea why people aren't incredibly outraged that our prisons basically function as criminal recruiting grounds.
There are some that are, especially since prison conversions to Islamism seem to be all the rage these days (no pun intended). In any event, it's something that needs a closer look, for certain.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:44:29am |
By the way, my one-stop solution for the prison situation:
1: Legalize marijuna. Better would be legalizing almost everything, but definitely marijuana.
2: Keep the prisons private, but make their payments tied to recividism rate among their specific inmates.
That way, we'd use the free market to research and pursue the best rehabilitative strategies.
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badger1970 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:48:54am |
re: #232 Obdicut
Legalizing MJ and taxing the hell out of it like cigs would be a great way to cut down on consumption.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:49:13am |
re: #232 Obdicut
And make that 3rd strike a major, violent felony only!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:49:23am |
re: #232 Obdicut
Personally speaking, I'd hesitate on legalizing drugs because of the public-safety factor. I mean, legalized drugs would improve their quality and reduce the users' risks, but I worry about what drug users would be doing to each other and to other people in general. That's part of the reason alcohol consumption is legally limited, after all. My idea is to enforce better separation between the guys that got hauled in for a DUI and the murderers/rapists/etc. Mixing and mingling violent and non-violent offenders is a surefire way to produce some very messed-up people from guys (and girls) who would otherwise have exited the system mostly harmless.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:50:15am |
Hey Mandy! What's up other than the fantastic news of Chemical Ali's execution?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:50:38am |
re: #219 reine.de.tout
Kids!
What the devil's wrong with these kids today?
Kids!
Who could guess that they would turn out that way!
Why can't they be like we were,
Perfect in every way?
What's the matter with kids today?
Good Morning LGF
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:50:41am |
re: #229 Obdicut
Because spending money on prison reform is viewed politically as being "soft on crime"?
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:52:02am |
Interesting story from a writer at the Washington Post who got called for jury duty:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Last week I was a juror in the trial of a man accused of selling a $10 bag of heroin to an undercover police officer. At the end of the two days of testimony, I concluded that the defendant was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I also concluded that he should be acquitted.In my mind, it came down to a simple, unsettling question: Is it worse to let a drug dealer go free, or to reward the police for lying under oath?
He knew the guy was guilty and knew the cops lied so he decided to go the way of "Jury Nullification". He didn't get to follow through, he was an alternate, but it seems the rest of the jurors came to the same conclusion anyway.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:52:59am |
Glenn Beck is a soulless panderer.
Good Morning again Lizards!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:53:28am |
re: #238 CapeCoddah
Hey Mandy! What's up other than the fantastic news of Chemical Ali's execution?
I'm trying to figure out what will be the words in the State of the Union Drinking Game.
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:53:57am |
re: #226 MandyManners
It was quick only when you think that this was the 5th death sentence handed down and that it was eight days from the time of the 5th verdict until his execution by dancing at the end of a rope.
He had been originally sentenced to die in October 2007, and was subsequently convicted on additional charges in several trials.
And it was justice delayed for the hundreds of thousands of Kurds who suffered under Saddam's iron fist since the 1980s.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:54:02am |
re: #243 MandyManners
I'm trying to figure out what will be the words in the State of the Union Drinking Game.
Hope. Change. WAFFLES.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:54:05am |
re: #243 MandyManners
I'm trying to figure out what will be the words in the State of the Union Drinking Game.
Last eight years.
In the past.
In the last decade.
Wall Street.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:54:39am |
re: #244 lawhawk
It was quick only when you think that this was the 5th death sentence handed down and that it was eight days from the time of the 5th verdict until his execution by dancing at the end of a rope.
He had been originally sentenced to die in October 2007, and was subsequently convicted on additional charges in several trials.
And it was justice delayed for the hundreds of thousands of Kurds who suffered under Saddam's iron fist since the 1980s.
I was talking about the date of the last conviction.
I wonder if anyone got video.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:55:00am |
re: #231 thedopefishlives
There are some that are, especially since prison conversions to Islamism seem to be all the rage these days (no pun intended). In any event, it's something that needs a closer look, for certain.
It's not merely prison conversions to Islam, esp the more radical Nation of Islam forms, that are the problem. There's a huge problem (and has been since the 70's) with groups like the White Aryan Resistance there. Various white supremacist groups. These started somewhere in a CA prison in the 70's and when prison authorities recognised it they broke up the original gang and placed them in different prisons everywhere-- with the inadvertent result that the ideology and the gang membership spread throughout the US prison system. There's an excellent article in the New Yorker from about 5 years ago (now, alas, only available online if you pay for the article) about that.
They've organised murders of witnesses, guards, judges, and more from within the prison system. That's why they were initially dispersed.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:55:12am |
The agitator posted a link to the NY Times piece on Charles:
Fascinating article on the political evolution of Charles Johnson, proprietor of the Little Green Footballs website.
Didn't have much to say but at least he's paying attention.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:55:15am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:55:22am |
re: #240 oaktree
Because spending money on prison reform is viewed politically as being "soft on crime"?
Here's my plan for reform. No more death penalty. Put the criminals to work, farming, building etc. No work, gruel to eat. No more cable, no more law libraries. Work them hard all day. Good behavior earns books to read and other minor privileges.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:55:47am |
re: #249 RogueOne
The agitator posted a link to the NY Times piece on Charles:
Didn't have much to say but at least he's paying attention.
Who's the agitator?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:56:02am |
re: #243 MandyManners
I'm trying to figure out what will be the words in the State of the Union Drinking Game.
I'd pick fight or fighter, cause that's what he is and is doing. He's said it a hundred times.
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:56:11am |
re: #246 MandyManners
And if you want to be completely blitzed by the end of the night:
1) Jobs
2) jobs saved or created;
3) Wall Street must pay their fair share (or a variation on same).
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:56:54am |
re: #251 rwdflynavy
Here's my plan for reform. No more death penalty. Put the criminals to work, farming, building etc. No work, gruel to eat. No more cable, no more law libraries. Work them hard all day. Good behavior earns books to read and other minor privileges.
Gotta' keep the law libraries. Prisoners have the right to pursue charges against the state and, there are prisoners who are working on appeals as well as pardons.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:57:23am |
re: #253 rwdflynavy
I'd pick fight or fighter, cause that's what he is and is doing. He's said it a hundred times.
Oh, I'd forgotten that theme. Thanks.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:57:28am |
re: #252 MandyManners
Who's the agitator?
Radley Balko's personal blog, he's a writer for reason mag specializing in our judicial system.
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:57:42am |
re: #254 lawhawk
And if you want to be completely blitzed by the end of the night:
1) Jobs
2) jobs saved or created;
3) Wall Street must pay their fair share (or a variation on same).
Stimulus?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:58:31am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:58:47am |
re: #257 RogueOne
Radley Balko's personal blog, he's a writer for reason mag specializing in our judicial system.
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]
Oh, Balko. He hates crooked cops.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:58:54am |
re: #258 MandyManners
Stimulus?
Fair or fairness.
Equitable.
If you have a lot of alcohol on hand, Economy would be a surefire winner.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:59:19am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:00:08am |
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:02:31am |
re: #241 RogueOne
Hmmm, curiously, no one mentions the possibility of the police using binoculars, which would make the whole distance point moot. Binoculars would have made a perfect description at that distance a piece of cake. Police have been known to use them occasionally. I would have convicted.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:03:33am |
They're here...
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:04:34am |
re: #243 MandyManners
LOL, thank god I don't drink... you would be reading my obit in the morning!
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:05:53am |
re: #246 MandyManners
Last eight years.
In the past.
In the last decade.
Wall Street.
Dont forget "we walked into"
and "this is not about me"
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:06:09am |
In doing so, he showed considerable candor as he acknowledged having made mistakes and missteps in his Middle East policy during the last year even as he recommitted himself to the peace process.
But then again, internal reflection is one thing and public confession quite another. Sharing as Obama did raises questions about whether he's learned the right lessons.
For starters, detractors have long labeled Obama as naïve and hubristic; in the Time interview, he seems to echo their assessment.
He told Joe Klein that the political realities confronting Palestinian and Israeli leaders made it harder than expected for them to come to the negotiating table. "I think that we overestimated our ability to persuade them to [negotiate] when their politics ran contrary to that," he said, adding later that, "If we had anticipated some of these political problems on both sides earlier, we might not have raised expectations as high."
It's as though legions of Middle East experts, Arab and Israeli officials and large chunks of the American Jewish community hadn't told the administration exactly that, repeatedly. Acknowledging not having comprehended that reality smacks of, indeed, naivete; proceeding in the face of such advice suggests, well, hubris.
SNIP
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:06:29am |
re: #264 CapeCoddah
He said he saw him clearly with just his eyes. They lied. 10 of the 12 jurors voted to acquit so they obviously didn't buy the cops story either. The defendant was guilty as hell, too bad the cops felt the need to lie.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:06:51am |
re: #267 CapeCoddah
Dont forget "we walked into"
and "this is not about me"
Anyone who says that reapeatedly is full of it.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:07:09am |
re: #255 MandyManners
Gotta' keep the law libraries. Prisoners have the right to pursue charges against the state and, there are prisoners who are working on appeals as well as pardons.
OK, you win, but only have access if they behave.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:07:45am |
re: #241 RogueOne
He knew the guy was guilty and knew the cops lied so he decided to go the way of "Jury Nullification". He didn't get to follow through, he was an alternate, but it seems the rest of the jurors came to the same conclusion anyway.
Sounds like he was right.
The police testimony was another matter. As witnesses, the officers had been supremely self-assured, even cocky; clearly, they'd been through this hundreds of times. As they passed the jury before and after testimony, they greeted us winningly. One of them winked at us, almost imperceptibly. Their testimony was clear, concise, professional and, in my view, dishonest.I believe they feel themselves to be warriors fighting the good fight against bad people who have the system stacked in their favor. I believe they knew they had the right guy and were willing to cheat a little to assure a conviction.
I believe they had the right guy, too. But the willingness to cheat, I think, is a poisonous corruption of a system designed to protect the innocent at the risk of occasionally letting the guilty walk free. It's a good system, fundamental to freedom. I think a police officer willing to cheat is more dangerous than a two-bit drug peddler.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:08:23am |
re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar
They're here...
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
Everyone knows that Queen Elizabeth is a shape-shifting, reptilian alien.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:08:26am |
re: #271 rwdflynavy
OK, you win, but only have access if they behave.
We just had a guy released from prison who did 35 years and was innocent.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:09:28am |
re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar
We just had a guy released from prison who did 35 years and was innocent.
I saw that story. That's the main reason I can live without the death penalty (pun intended).
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:10:03am |
re: #271 rwdflynavy
Re: Shawshank Redemption.
Also, if you have them out working (for little/no wages) you're undercutting non-prison labor in the local area.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:10:26am |
re: #251 rwdflynavy
Sounds great, but the moonbat judges have decided that convicted murderers and such have the same rights we do.
We have a man here in Massachusetts who murdered his wife, who is suing the state to pay for sex change. At the moment he is suing to have the state re-start paying for laser hair removal. when the state stopped paying for it, he sued, saying it was cruel and unusual punishment. Sorry, keep frying them.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:11:27am |
re: #272 iceweasel
But the willingness to cheat, I think, is a poisonous corruption of a system designed to protect the innocent at the risk of occasionally letting the guilty walk free. It's a good system, fundamental to freedom. I think a police officer willing to cheat is more dangerous than a two-bit drug peddler.
I think he's absolutely right in his assessment. Cops willing to lie over a $10 drug deal are a bigger problem than the guy trying to sell $10 worth of heroin.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:11:46am |
re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar
We just had a guy released from prison who did 35 years and was innocent.
The system works (insofar as it does) only because we have the presumption of guilty until proven innocent. We have to accord the defendants every possible break. And we have to hold the prosecution, and law enforcement, to the highest possible standards.
Sometimes this does result in the clearly guilty going free, but we do that because the alternative-- convicting the innocent -- is too high a price to pay.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:11:54am |
re: #276 oaktree
Re: Shawshank Redemption.
Also, if you have them out working (for little/no wages) you're undercutting non-prison labor in the local area.
If it means the prisons are closer to self-sufficient, I say it is worth it.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:12:19am |
re: #279 iceweasel
The system works (insofar as it does) only because we have the presumption of guilty until proven innocent. We have to accord the defendants every possible break. And we have to hold the prosecution, and law enforcement, to the highest possible standards.
Sometimes this does result in the clearly guilty going free, but we do that because the alternative-- convicting the innocent -- is too high a price to pay.
You got that backwards, ice. Innocent until proven guilty.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:13:32am |
re: #278 RogueOne
I think he's absolutely right in his assessment. Cops willing to lie over a $10 drug deal are a bigger problem than the guy trying to sell $10 worth of heroin.
Absolutely. The guy with 10 dollars of heroin is hurting the guy who buys it, and the people he may or may not harm in the process of his addiction.
Cops who lie hurt the entire legal system-- including the innocent.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:13:42am |
re: #281 thedopefishlives
Innocent until proven guilty? Where have you been old timer?//
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:13:53am |
re: #281 thedopefishlives
You got that backwards, ice. Innocent until proven guilty.
Thanks. I trust you take my point.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:15:51am |
re: #284 iceweasel
Thanks. I trust you take my point.
Indeed. And you're exactly right. The presumption of innocence is the foundation of Western justice. It is not always so in other places in the world. The problem we suffer from in the States most is that corruption is allowed to fester because of the extremely long-term nature of judges and other legal personnel.
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:15:59am |
re: #268 MandyManners
Hubris, naivete. And he can't claim he wasn't warned about delving into the Middle East peace process, which isn't one because the Palestinians still don't accept a 2-state solution for all their talk and simply hope to wring more concessions from Israel while maintaining the status quo since it frees them from the responsibility of actually having to deliver on any of their promises.
Meanwhile, a photo from one of Obama's appearances this weekend doesn't help his image either. It shows him still tied to the teleprompter. Perhaps it's out of his insecurity in delivering a speech no matter its audience. But that insecurity and need to rely on the teleprompter can lead people to believing that he's too far removed from the very people he serves. It's a strong image to overcome.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:16:19am |
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:16:20am |
re: #277 CapeCoddah
Sounds great, but the moonbat judges have decided that convicted murderers and such have the same rights we do.
We have a man here in Massachusetts who murdered his wife, who is suing the state to pay for sex change. At the moment he is suing to have the state re-start paying for laser hair removal. when the state stopped paying for it, he sued, saying it was cruel and unusual punishment. Sorry, keep frying them.
If I felt I could believe the state when they told me the person they want to strap a needle in is absolutely guilty, then I'd be right there with you. There have been way too many people who have had their convictions overturned to make me comfortable voting for a death penalty.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:17:08am |
re: #276 oaktree
Re: Shawshank Redemption.
Also, if you have them out working (for little/no wages) you're undercutting non-prison labor in the local area.
We could have them working on items that are otherwise sourced outside of the country...
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:17:29am |
re: #269 RogueOne
I agree, that if they lied, it sucks. One week ago yesterday, my daughters best friend was shot to death while she was asleep by a sleaze like the dealer charged. I would have voted to convict, and would do so every time. Had the cops PLANTED evidence, different kettle altogether.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:18:07am |
re: #286 lawhawk
Isn't that pic from Obama giving a speech to a bunch of 6th graders?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:18:46am |
re: #286 lawhawk
Hubris, naivete. And he can't claim he wasn't warned about delving into the Middle East peace process, which isn't one because the Palestinians still don't accept a 2-state solution for all their talk and simply hope to wring more concessions from Israel while maintaining the status quo since it frees them from the responsibility of actually having to deliver on any of their promises.
Meanwhile, a photo from one of Obama's appearances this weekend doesn't help his image either. It shows him still tied to the teleprompter. Perhaps it's out of his insecurity in delivering a speech no matter its audience. But that insecurity and need to rely on the teleprompter can lead people to believing that he's too far removed from the very people he serves. It's a strong image to overcome.
Oh, that photograph is priceless!
I think Bibi's always prepared to hand him his head.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:18:48am |
re: #277 CapeCoddah
Sounds great, but the moonbat judges have decided that convicted murderers and such have the same rights we do.
We have a man here in Massachusetts who murdered his wife, who is suing the state to pay for sex change. At the moment he is suing to have the state re-start paying for laser hair removal. when the state stopped paying for it, he sued, saying it was cruel and unusual punishment. Sorry, keep frying them.
I don't mind the death penalty from a moral standpoint, but isn't the average expense from incarceration to zap higher than the average expense to keep them incarcerated ad infinitum? I honestly don't know, but i thought i'd heard that stated on occasion...
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:19:12am |
re: #285 thedopefishlives
Indeed. And you're exactly right. The presumption of innocence is the foundation of Western justice. It is not always so in other places in the world. The problem we suffer from in the States most is that corruption is allowed to fester because of the extremely long-term nature of judges and other legal personnel.
I think there are many pressures. Like the pressure on cops to make cases, and the pressure they internally feel every day doing a job that regularly brings them into contact with terrible people.
The temptation to fudge just a little, when you know someone is guilty, must be huge.
But that's why it has to be called out, and why we have a jury system that will refuse to convict (in the best case scenario) when the cops do stretch it a little.
And sometimes they'll stretch it a lot, as will prosecutors.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:19:22am |
re: #285 thedopefishlives
That being said, I can't say I'm in favor of term limits for judges or anything like that. What I would like to see is a more effective system for removing demonstrably corrupt individuals from the justice system.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:19:28am |
re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar
Isn't that pic from Obama giving a speech to a bunch of 6th graders?
If you don't agree with his plans to spend all that money, YOU HATE CHILDREN.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:20:17am |
re: #293 Aceofwhat?
I think it cost 10 times more to off someone than keep them in jail for life.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:20:54am |
re: #295 thedopefishlives
That being said, I can't say I'm in favor of term limits for judges or anything like that. What I would like to see is a more effective system for removing demonstrably corrupt individuals from the justice system.
Best term limits on the state level are handed out at the ballot box.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:21:51am |
re: #296 MandyManners
If you don't agree with his plans to spend all that money, YOU HATE CHILDREN.
I don't hate children. Someone has to fetch beers. Until I get married.:)
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:22:16am |
re: #269 RogueOne
He said he saw him clearly with just his eyes. They lied. 10 of the 12 jurors voted to acquit so they obviously didn't buy the cops story either. The defendant was guilty as hell, too bad the cops felt the need to lie.
Do we know that all the jurors believed the accused was guilty?
If even one juror was not so convinced, then the hung jury was NOT a result of nullification.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:22:33am |
re: #299 Cannadian Club Akbar
I don't hate children. Someone has to fetch beers. Until I get married.:)
And, what about when the remote control's batteries run out?
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SasyMomaCat Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:22:44am |
re: #215 thedopefishlives
heh - ya, it might be heavily frowned upon. After it's over I'll give a quick summary. At this point, it looks like I'm in for another three weeks, at least. If this past week was any indication, it might be longer.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:23:06am |
re: #293 Aceofwhat?
I don't mind the death penalty from a moral standpoint, but isn't the average expense from incarceration to zap higher than the average expense to keep them incarcerated ad infinitum? I honestly don't know, but i thought i'd heard that stated on occasion...
I think it depends on the state. Some states put a limit on the number of appeals the DP person can file or the length of time in which they must be filed.
My understanding though is that overall, nationwide, it does cost us more to execute than to house them for life.
And as RogueOne mentioned, we have far too many DP cases overturned-- because the defandent was later found to be innocent, not wrongfully convicted -- to make the death penalty acceptable from either a moral or legal standpoint imo.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:23:12am |
re: #290 CapeCoddah
I don't want to come across as soft on dirtbags because I'm not. I think there are more crimes that deserve the death penalty, like rape, that we don't usually put people down for committing. I just don't trust the prosecutors/police enough to believe them when they tell me they're sure they have the right person.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:24:23am |
re: #299 Cannadian Club Akbar
I don't hate children. Someone has to fetch beers. Until I get married.:)
Build yourself a beer fridge.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:24:28am |
re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar
Isn't that pic from Obama giving a speech to a bunch of 6th graders?
Why do you need a teleprompter to talk to a bunch of elementary school kids. Are kids from VA just that smart?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:25:00am |
re: #288 RogueOne
I think we need to make better use of DNA. An imprisoned innocent is horrid. I can never understand why a state refuses to do DNA tests when such a simple thing can clear up a lot of questions about someone who has been imprisoned for a crime committed where DNA was present, but the technology was not there yet. We have a lot of those cases, and a lot of prosecutors, like Martha Coakley, refusing to look at the possibility of innocence so as not to hurt their political image. If I were a prosecutor, I would pay for those tests myself if I had to, I damned sure would not wish to hold an innocent.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:25:03am |
re: #301 MandyManners
And, what about when the remote control's batteries run out?
Luckily, I don't watch to much TV. But 24 is on tonight.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:25:14am |
re: #300 Spare O'Lake
Do we know that all the jurors believed the accused was guilty?
If even one juror was not so convinced, then the hung jury was NOT a result of nullification.
10 of the 12 voted to acquit.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:26:20am |
re: #305 thedopefishlives
Build yourself a beer fridge.
Contents of my fridge. Beer. Pizza. Peppers. Olives.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:26:29am |
re: #289 Aceofwhat?
We could have them working on items that are otherwise sourced outside of the country...
The Big House IT Helpdesk?
o_O
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SasyMomaCat Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:27:12am |
re: #216 iceweasel
I think there's another option - Bristol believed she loved Levi and, despite potential encouragement to do otherwise, had already expressed her decision to marry him and her family was supporting her and respecting her right to make her own choices. Alienating your daughter by shunning her chosen life partner, even if you know it's a horrible mistake, can cause life long rifts in the fabric of a family. Thankfully, things turned out a bit different than planned. I can only imagine that Todd and Sarah Palin were quite happy about the break-up while being quite sad to see their daughter experience the pain of it. JMO, of course . . .
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:28:25am |
re: #301 MandyManners
And, what about when the remote control's batteries run out?
I pray that the TV is on a channel I like ,, cause it's there for a L O N G time !
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:30:13am |
re: #307 CapeCoddah
I think we need to make better use of DNA. An imprisoned innocent is horrid. I can never understand why a state refuses to do DNA tests when such a simple thing can clear up a lot of questions about someone who has been imprisoned for a crime committed where DNA was present, but the technology was not there yet. We have a lot of those cases, and a lot of prosecutors, like Martha Coakley, refusing to look at the possibility of innocence so as not to hurt their political image. If I were a prosecutor, I would pay for those tests myself if I had to, I damned sure would not wish to hold an innocent.
Unfortunately even DNA evidence can be tampered with, and there's a recent study to suggest that it isn't always as accurate as we would like it to be.
I agree with you that states should always allow DNA testing, but sadly that won't be enough to fix the whole problem.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:30:40am |
re: #309 RogueOne
10 of the 12 voted to acquit.
How is this a nullification case?
Is there ANY evidence that those who voted to acquit actually believed that the accused was guility?
Were the jurors polled after the verdict?
The article has a certain odour.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:30:46am |
re: #306 RogueOne
The teleprompter meme is just tedious. He's spoken impromptu any number of times to town halls and so forth. Would you be as critical if he used notes, other than they wouldn't be as visible?
I do think he needs to wean himself off, if for no other reason than to kill the meme, (and the implication that he's unable to express himself without it).
My guess is that they don't provide teleprompters when teaching constitutional law or when going to law school (both of which he has done), so the whole thing is just silly, and reduces the credibility of those who would criticize Obama for his actual failings, of which there are enough to discuss without getting trivial about it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:31:01am |
Drive-by post:
Somebody spent a chunk of change to send some Scientologists to Haiti to practice "touch healing." You make people feel better by hugging them.
[Link: www.google.com...]
I can do that, too. It's called "giving a hug."
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:31:04am |
re: #293 Aceofwhat?
I dont care about cost. What price do we put on children's safety? When a convicted sex offender kidnaps a baby out of her bedroom, rapes her and buries her alive with her stuffed animal, I will pay for that bastards execution myself, and should the chair misfire and cause him excruciating pain, all the better.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:33:26am |
re: #318 CapeCoddah
You just described John Cooey. He raped a young girl and buried her alive. I hope he burns in hell.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:34:13am |
re: #312 SasyMomaCat
I think there's another option - Bristol believed she loved Levi and, despite potential encouragement to do otherwise, had already expressed her decision to marry him and her family was supporting her and respecting her right to make her own choices. Alienating your daughter by shunning her chosen life partner, even if you know it's a horrible mistake, can cause life long rifts in the fabric of a family. Thankfully, things turned out a bit different than planned. I can only imagine that Todd and Sarah Palin were quite happy about the break-up while being quite sad to see their daughter experience the pain of it. JMO, of course . . .
Definitely possible. But I'd still argue that then the McCain campaign shouldn't have chosen Palin, and that in that circumstance Palin should have declined the nomination, knowing that it would lead to her daughter's life and choices becoming the target of a media shitstorm.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:35:03am |
re: #316 PT Barnum
The teleprompter meme is just tedious. He's spoken impromptu any number of times to town halls and so forth. Would you be as critical if he used notes, other than they wouldn't be as visible?
I do think he needs to wean himself off, if for no other reason than to kill the meme, (and the implication that he's unable to express himself without it).
My guess is that they don't provide teleprompters when teaching constitutional law or when going to law school (both of which he has done), so the whole thing is just silly, and reduces the credibility of those who would criticize Obama for his actual failings, of which there are enough to discuss without getting trivial about it.
If he has a teleprompter in a classroom it is no longer just a "meme".
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:35:18am |
Back to important things...
sheesh
!
Gozer: [after Ray orders her to re-locate] Are you a God?
[Ray looks at Peter, who nods]
Dr Ray Stantz: No.
Gozer: Then... DIE!
[Lightning flies from her fingers, driving the Ghostbusters to the edge of the roof and almost off; people below scream]
Winston Zeddemore: Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"!
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:35:23am |
re: #319 Cannadian Club Akbar
People like that deserve to have done to them what was done to their victims. If they don't have the appropriate orifices, I'm in favor of either using the ones they have or making new ones (yes that sort of thing really pisses me off)
Terrorists should be put into a Shroedinger's box and just left there, never knowing if any given moment will be their last.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:35:55am |
re: #315 Spare O'Lake
Yes, the reporter was part of the jury pool.
The first sign that I was wrong came just minutes after I was dismissed. The other alternate told me that she, too, felt that the defendant was guilty but that the police had lied; in her mind, the lying created reasonable doubt. She, too, would have acquitted.Back home, I waited for word of a verdict. It didn't come. At the end of the day, after four hours of deliberations over a $10 drug bust, the deadlocked jury was sent home for the night. They came back the next day and tried again. More hours passed. In the end, they pronounced themselves hopelessly hung. A mistrial was declared.
I later spoke with one of the jurors, who told me they had been split, 10 for acquittal and two for a guilty verdict. Many of them had simply mistrusted the eyes. They didn't believe he could have possibly seen the ginger ale bottle or the v-neck or the key, and they felt his apparent willingness to lie had tainted the prosecution's whole case.
Even though they were sure the guy was guilty, they still didn't vote to convict.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:37:10am |
re: #325 RogueOne
Yes, the reporter was part of the jury pool.
Even though they were sure the guy was guilty, they still didn't vote to convict.
Jurors are a defense against crooked cops.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:37:16am |
re: #319 Cannadian Club Akbar
You just described John Cooey. He raped a young girl and buried her alive. I hope he burns in hell.
"Kill him a lot!"
-Amilyn, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:37:32am |
re: #297 Cannadian Club Akbar
I think it cost 10 times more to off someone than keep them in jail for life.
re: #303 iceweasel
I think it depends on the state. Some states put a limit on the number of appeals the DP person can file or the length of time in which they must be filed.
My understanding though is that overall, nationwide, it does cost us more to execute than to house them for life.
And as RogueOne mentioned, we have far too many DP cases overturned-- because the defandent was later found to be innocent, not wrongfully convicted -- to make the death penalty acceptable from either a moral or legal standpoint imo.
Thanks. Personally i think i'd rather be put down than spend the rest of my life as some neanderthal's boyfriend, so i'm not sure that the least cost decision isn't also the least friendly to the convict while also providing time for legitimate appeals.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:39:08am |
re: #319 Cannadian Club Akbar
That was exactly who I described. I will never be able to forget that, nor the Jeffrey Curley Case here in Massachusetts
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:39:25am |
re: #321 iceweasel
Which is precisely why some fantastic choices (on both sides) will never, ever, nevernevernever enter the public arena.
It is a shame. There is a real potential Nobel Peace Prize winner at work at something amazingly successful at this moment.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:40:07am |
re: #321 iceweasel
Definitely possible. But I'd still argue that then the McCain campaign shouldn't have chosen Palin, and that in that circumstance Palin should have declined the nomination, knowing that it would lead to her daughter's life and choices becoming the target of a media shitstorm.
Meh. If they decided as a family that they were up for it, good for them. McCain shouldn't have chosen her because she doesn't know Afghanistan from Pakistan, not because her kid made a mistake.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:40:52am |
re: #316 PT Barnum
He isn't good when he speaks without a teleprompter. He's not Bush bad, but he's bad. I'm not a big Obama supporter so it's pretty easy to see the humor in a president who's a law scholar and who was elected because he's just so incredibly bright, needing a teleprompter to speak to elementary school kids. I didn't put the pic out there, he did.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:41:16am |
re: #329 CapeCoddah
Without looking at the video, was that the NAMBLA case?
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:42:19am |
re: #332 RogueOne
He isn't good when he speaks without a teleprompter. He's not Bush bad, but he's bad. I'm not a big Obama supporter so it's pretty easy to see the humor in a president who's a law scholar and who was elected because he's just so incredibly bright, needing a teleprompter to speak to elementary school kids. I didn't put the pic out there, he did.
I get the feeling that the White House staff photographer has no clue what looks good and what doesn't.
Morning, folks.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:42:21am |
Either Bin Ladens photo ois upside down, or I need a knew puter !!!?!?!
[Link: drudgereport.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:42:31am |
re: #328 Aceofwhat?
Once someone asked me if I'd have sex with a man for a million dollars.
Very quickly I said, "Hell yeah!"
They said, "That was a quick answer!"
I said, "If I ever get sent to prison, I'll have to do it for free. So, I may as well agree to do it for some bucks."
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:42:45am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:42:46am |
re: #318 CapeCoddah
I dont care about cost. What price do we put on children's safety? When a convicted sex offender kidnaps a baby out of her bedroom, rapes her and buries her alive with her stuffed animal, I will pay for that bastards execution myself, and should the chair misfire and cause him excruciating pain, all the better.
IMO those guys are the best argument for having a death penalty. In the moral sense, there is no doubt that they deserve death. In the pragmatic sense, we KNOW that sex offenders, especially paedophiles, have the highest recidivism rate. They can't be cured.
Among other reforms to our justice and penal system, I would like to see sex offenders treated seriously -- they shouldn't get parole, and they should have much longer sentences than they currently do.
And when they are released, they have to have better monitoring and stricter parole terms. Or some kind of watch system that's very tight.
Right now we send people back out after not very long, and we do it knowing they'll offend again. Many of them step it up to murder after a conviction-- because all they've learned is to not leave a living victim.
I'd like to see sex offenses treated far more seriously than we currently do treat them. Longer sentences and tighter control of them after release are just two things we need to do, imo.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:42:49am |
re: #335 RogueOne
LOL, Best of luck! I tend to be a wee bit on the stubborn as a rock side.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:43:27am |
re: #337 sattv4u2
Either Bin Ladens photo ois upside down, or I need a knew puter !!!?!?!
[Link: drudgereport.com...]
Nah. He was doing yoga.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:44:44am |
re: #342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nah. He was doing yoga.
And all these years I thought he was "doing" goats!
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:44:46am |
I think the re: #332 RogueOne
The sad thing, Bush was bad WITH notes.
Like I said, I wish Obama could kill this by just using notes, which would serve the same purpose and kill the meme.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:45:26am |
re: #340 iceweasel
LVQ was speaking of it once, said that he doesn't support it except for in the DC sniper case and those types of things.
I support the death penalty, if there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever.
There are a lot of those guys we could give the hot shot to tomorrow and I wouldn't blink.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:45:42am |
re: #344 sattv4u2
Why do they call camels the ship of the desert?
Because they're filled with Arab semen...
I know that's horrible...I'd downding myself for it if I could.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:46:07am |
re: #331 Aceofwhat?
Meh. If they decided as a family that they were up for it, good for them. McCain shouldn't have chosen her because she doesn't know Afghanistan from Pakistan, not because her kid made a mistake.
He should never have chosen her to begin with, for a myriad of reasons.
She shouldn't have accepted, knowing what would happen w/r/t Bristol.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:47:11am |
I hope Sharmuta is finding what she is looking for and comes back to us soon.
I misses her.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:47:18am |
re: #340 iceweasel
One decent law here in Mass, is that we can hold dangerous sex offenders indefinitely after they complete their sentences. Problem with that is it is probably unconstitutional. A 0.25 bullet works for me.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:47:20am |
re: #348 iceweasel
He should never have chosen her to begin with, for a myriad of reasons.
She shouldn't have accepted, knowing what would happen w/r/t Bristol.
Hubris exists on both sides of the aisle.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:48:10am |
re: #340 iceweasel
And when they are released, they have to have better monitoring and stricter parole terms. Or some kind of watch system that's very tight.
Problem is, you have the hand wringers that say they've done their time and you're abridging their civil rights now that they have served the sentence and have been set free
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:48:10am |
re: #349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope Sharmuta is finding what she is looking for and comes back to us soon.
I misses her.
What happened with her?
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:48:15am |
re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
LVQ was speaking of it once, said that he doesn't support it except for in the DC sniper case and those types of things.
I support the death penalty, if there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever.
There are a lot of those guys we could give the hot shot to tomorrow and I wouldn't blink.
The problem is, because of the system and the possibility of executing innocent people, that there isn't a way to support the DP in practice, no matter the moral justification for a DP in principle.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:48:26am |
re: #325 RogueOne
Yes, the reporter was part of the jury pool.
Even though they were sure the guy was guilty, they still didn't vote to convict.
According to the article it was the reporter and the other alternate who believed the accused was guilty but would nevertheless have acquitted.
The one juror whom the reporter interviewed was NOT quoted as having stated that he/she believed that the accused was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact, the juror stated that they doubted the identification evidence.
This is NOT a nullification case unless ALL jurors believed the accused was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt yet acquitted notwithstanding that belief.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:48:57am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:49:33am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:50:40am |
re: #350 CapeCoddah
One decent law here in Mass, is that we can hold dangerous sex offenders indefinitely after they complete their sentences. Problem with that is it is probably unconstitutional. A 0.25 bullet works for me.
Yeah, I know about that. And it isn't right (i.e., constitutional). But something does need to be fixed w/r/t how we treat sex offenders.
Longer conviction times without parole would be a start. There is a legitimate way to make that case legally, given what we know about such crimes and those who commit them.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:51:23am |
re: #352 sattv4u2
And when they are released, they have to have better monitoring and stricter parole terms. Or some kind of watch system that's very tight.
Problem is, you have the hand wringers that say they've done their time and you're abridging their civil rights now that they have served the sentence and have been set free
Perhaps the watch system should be part of the sentence, then? Because i agree with Iceweasel wholeheartedly.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:52:10am |
re: #349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope Sharmuta is finding what she is looking for and comes back to us soon.
I misses her.
What, I don't fill the void?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:52:16am |
re: #340 iceweasel
re: #352 sattv4u2
And when they are released, they have to have better monitoring and stricter parole terms. Or some kind of watch system that's very tight.
Problem is, you have the hand wringers that say they've done their time and you're abridging their civil rights now that they have served the sentence and have been set free
BTW ,, these are the same people(s) that think felons should have the right to vote while incarcerated
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:52:20am |
re: #349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope Sharmuta is finding what she is looking for and comes back to us soon.
I misses her.
A tall, dark and handsome Argentinian swept her off her feet and took her on a scouting trip to find new polo ponies.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:52:32am |
re: #360 Aceofwhat?
I think reine will agree, we give them a permanent debilitating head cold...although that might fall under cruel and unusual punishment
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:53:06am |
re: #363 MandyManners
Maybe she's hiking the Appalachian trail?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:53:17am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:53:18am |
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:53:34am |
re: #363 MandyManners
A tall, dark and handsome Argentinian swept her off her feet and took her on a scouting trip to find new polo ponies.
Oh, if only. Everyone woman needs to be swept off her feet at some point in her life....
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garhighway Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:54:32am |
re: #350 CapeCoddah
One decent law here in Mass, is that we can hold dangerous sex offenders indefinitely after they complete their sentences. Problem with that is it is probably unconstitutional. A 0.25 bullet works for me.
Whatever happened with that case of the McMartin day care center, where a bunch of kids said they were molested by the staff (and that they were on space ships and a bunch of other crazy stuff)?
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:54:36am |
re: #364 PT Barnum
I think reine will agree, we give them a permanent debilitating head cold...although that might fall under cruel and unusual punishment
If it means Reine gets rid of hers, I say go for it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:54:51am |
re: #365 PT Barnum
Maybe she's hiking the Appalachian trail?
Friend of mine did it, every mile, all at one time. Took months.
"My grandmother started walking five miles a day. Today? We don't know where the hell she is."
-Ellen DeGeneres.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:55:47am |
re: #363 MandyManners
A tall, dark and handsome Argentinian swept her off her feet and took her on a scouting trip to find new polo ponies.
Sharmuta Peron?
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:55:58am |
re: #352 sattv4u2
And when they are released, they have to have better monitoring and stricter parole terms. Or some kind of watch system that's very tight.
Problem is, you have the hand wringers that say they've done their time and you're abridging their civil rights now that they have served the sentence and have been set free
That would be me. If the state wants to hold them longer then they should give them longer sentences.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:56:14am |
re: #369 garhighway
Hmmm. Not sure..good question, that was a long time ago. I suspect it got the outcome it deserved.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:56:46am |
re: #369 garhighway
A very cautionary tale here for us "Law And Order" conservatives.
From Wiki
Perjury by confession witness
During the trial, George Freeman was called as a witness and testified that Ray Buckey had confessed to him while sharing a cell. Freeman later attempted to flee the country and confessed to perjury in a series of other criminal cases in which he manufactured testimony in exchange for favorable treatment by the prosecution in other cases, in several instances creating false confessions of other inmates. In order to guarantee his testimony during the McMartin case, Freeman was given immunity to previous charges of perjury. Under immunity, Freeman admitted to fabricating Buckey's confession.[29]
[edit] Acquittal and dismissal
In 1990, after three years of testimony and nine weeks of deliberation by the jury, Peggy McMartin Buckey was acquitted on all counts.[9] Ray Buckey was cleared on 52 of 65 counts, and freed on bail after more than five years in jail. Nine of 11 jurors at a press conference following the trial stated that they believed the children had been molested but the evidence did not allow them to state who had committed the abuse beyond a reasonable doubt.[30] Eleven out of the thirteen jurors who remained by the end of the trial voted to acquit Buckey of the charges; the refusal of the remaining two to vote for a not guilty verdict resulted in the deadlock. The media overwhelmingly focused on the two jurors who voted guilty at the expense of those who believed Buckey was not guilty.[31] Buckey was retried later on six of the 13 counts, which produced another hung jury. The prosecution then gave up trying to obtain a conviction, and the case was closed with all charges against Ray Buckey dismissed. He had been jailed for 5 years without ever being convicted of any wrongdoing.[1][22][32]
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:57:34am |
re: #360 Aceofwhat?
Perhaps the watch system should be part of the sentence, then? Because i agree with Iceweasel wholeheartedly.
I also agree. Anyone that harms a child should be watched 24/7/365 until three days AFTER they draw their last breath!. I was just bringing up what the opposition says
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:57:43am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:58:19am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:58:59am |
re: #360 Aceofwhat?
Perhaps the watch system should be part of the sentence, then? Because i agree with Iceweasel wholeheartedly.
Yes. We need to treat sex offenders differently than we do other offenders.
The current system doesn't let us-- it treats sex offenses on a par with say, stealing, or any other crime.
But we know these people are a separate category of offender.
We know their recidivism rates are incredibly high. We know they can't be cured.
And we know that even chemical castration doesn't work.
We know that they'll compulsively reoffend-- and they don't mind changing their targeted victim group (female children, whatever) in order to elude detection.
We know all this, and yet, we treat them like every other offender-- that is to say, the idea that if they've served their time they have to be given a blank slate, they've paid their debt.
But none of it's true. We need to just cut them out from all other categories of offense, acknowledge that we're creating a new category, and create laws and regulations that acknowledge their special status.
The science is there, has been for a long time. The empirical proof about their behaviour upon release. We should just give sex crimes a special status and punish those who commit them accordingly.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:59:15am |
re: #368 vxbush
Oh, if only. Everyone woman needs to be swept off her feet at some point in her life...
I wish mine would happen right now.
Aw, nuts. The laundry would still be here when I returned.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:59:34am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:00:06am |
Valerie Jarrett, meet David Axelrod ,,David, meet Robert Gibbs,,, Robert, say hello to Valerie
(oh ,, wait ,,,these people all work together,,, you would think they would be on the same page, or at the very least in the same BOOK!!)
White House brass split on stimulus stats
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:00:35am |
re: #379 iceweasel
We should kick them to sleep. Just my opinion.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:01:18am |
re: #362 sattv4u2
re: #352 sattv4u2
BTW ,, these are the same people(s) that think felons should have the right to vote while incarcerated
I love that argument. Because then i get to ask, pray tell, who the felons are likely to vote for should we give them the right? Because winning the felon vote should actually cost you something - like an anti-delegate or something.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:01:33am |
re: #375 Rightwingconspirator
If I were on a jury and a prosecutor used a jailhouse snitch as part of his argument I'd have to take a pass on the entire proceeding.
[Link: www.innocenceproject.org...]
In more than 15% of cases of wrongful conviction overturned by DNA testing, an informant or jailhouse snitch testified against the defendant. Often, statements from people with incentives to testify – particularly incentives that are not disclosed to the jury – are the central evidence in convicting an innocent person.People have been wrongfully convicted in cases in which snitches:
* Have been paid to testify
* Have testified in exchange for their release from prison.
* Have testified in multiple distinct cases that they have evidence of guilt, through overhearing a confession or witnessing the crime.DNA exonerations have shown that snitches lie on the stand.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:01:44am |
re: #373 RogueOne
That would be me. If the state wants to hold them longer then they should give them longer sentences.
The judge is constrained by what the statues on the books state. In many cases those were written decades ago. The state legislature would have to change sentencing guidlines
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:03:30am |
re: #380 MandyManners
I wish mine would happen right now.
Aw, nuts. The laundry would still be here when I returned.
Not only yours and the kids, but you would now have "HIS" too!!
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Slap Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:03:58am |
re: #359 iceweasel
We're in decided agreement. Regarding this subject, is anyone else here familiar with the work of Andrew Vachss? I discovered him as a novelist, and found that his background was multi-dimensional and quite serious. I've met him a few times, and he's unquestionably the most intensely, fiercely focused individual I have ever met -- almost frighteningly so, in fact. His life's work is centered around the protection of children from abuse, identifying the problems, and fighting to bring awareness and changes. (His wife was also a sex crimes prosecutor in NYC.) Many of his articles are here. I have found no one else who seems to address this subject with the directness and force as he.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:04:26am |
re: #386 sattv4u2
The judge is constrained by what the statues on the books state. In many cases those were written decades ago. The state legislature would have to change sentencing guidlines
And that's what I advocate as a first step. Change the sentencing guidelines for all sex offenses, and enforce those longer limits.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:04:28am |
re: #379 iceweasel
Life with no possibility of parole would be OK,in a prison for sex offenders only, but only if there is NO POSSIBILITY of parole. Otherwise. 0.25 bullet. The bullet is still my preference, as people in prison with these animals who may have, say, robbed a bank should not become victims of these creatures either.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:04:36am |
re: #385 RogueOne
Nothing trumps good physical evidence. I love DNA. And video.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:05:07am |
re: #385 RogueOne
Oh and the Freedom Project has this mans respects.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:05:41am |
re: #380 MandyManners
You need to come on up for a visit, Mandy. I have a few single, wealthy, good lookin, nice guy clients....
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:06:02am |
re: #389 Slap
Yes. I am a huge fan of both Andrew Vacchs and his wife Alice. I've never had the pleasure of meeting either, but they've both been intensely focussed on this issue from the 80's.
Thanks for the link; checking out now.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:06:10am |
re: #388 sattv4u2
Not only yours and the kids, but you would now have "HIS" too!!
Not in a billion years.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:06:45am |
re: #390 iceweasel
And that's what I advocate as a first step. Change the sentencing guidelines for all sex offenses, and enforce those longer limits.
I am in total agreement with you
Just got out my telescope and looked to the heavens
I didn;'t see two moons orbiting the earth, so hell must be frozen over this a.m.!!
/
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:07:01am |
re: #394 CapeCoddah
You need to come on up for a visit, Mandy. I have a few single, wealthy, good lookin, nice guy clients...
*perks*
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:07:06am |
re: #388 sattv4u2
Not only yours and the kids, but you would now have "HIS" too!!
Now now--if he sweeps her off her feet, surely he would sweep away the laundry too. It's called "hire someone else to do it."
/a girl can dream
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:07:26am |
re: #382 sattv4u2
Well, if they dropped the bogus metric "jobs created and saved" it would be much easier for them to agree on the numbers - though that would make their claims the economy is recovering all the tougher to digest because the jobless claims keep coming and the economy keeps shedding jobs.
No one other than the government itself is creating jobs, and the only way the U3 and U6 rates are staying where they are is because the BLS is removing those thousands of people who have lost their unemployment benefits and dropped out of the job market.
Instead, we get a situation where three top Obama Administration officials can't even get to the same number of jobs even though all knew that the others were on the morning talk shows. That's a lack of coordination that shows ongoing problems within the Administration to deal with the basics.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:07:38am |
re: #394 CapeCoddah
You need to come on up for a visit, Mandy. I have a few single, wealthy, good lookin, nice guy clients...
I have found that women seem to dismiss the last until they are in their late 20s...
As Eddie Izzard Says...if you're a nice bloke..not much shagging going on, if you're a bit of a bastard, shagging aplenty.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:08:08am |
re: #391 CapeCoddah
Good poinjt. My reluctance to accept long, long terms is proportionate to prison conditions. An argument I make against bringing in terrorists to our prison system is the din of violating their POW rights will increase dramatically. What happens when a gang killer stabs a guy to death from Gitmo?
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:08:09am |
re: #376 sattv4u2
Is there a previous case implying that three days after death is necessary?
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Slap Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:09:51am |
re: #395 iceweasel
Actually, from the rhythm of your prose and the content of what you've been saying on this subject, I'm not in the least surprised that you're an admirer. I believe that his work is the definitive place to begin for those who wish to become knowledgeable.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:09:51am |
re: #400 lawhawk
For jobs this is the worst recovery ever (well my life), and they know it. The rest is reaction to that fact.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:10:01am |
re: #398 MandyManners
Chatham is a beautiful town for a summer home!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:10:11am |
re: #400 lawhawk
jobless claims keep coming and the economy keeps shedding jobs.
By April they'll be able to crow how those numbers of people filing new unemployment claims has been drastically cut
BUT ,,, what they won't tell you is that big business doesn't have any more jobs TO cut. Most are near or at bare minimum now.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:10:22am |
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:10:29am |
Not only that, but Glen Beck is a soulless panderer.
(I have now proven I am a ding whore)
Oh wait, I can't upding myself either...Damn!
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:10:54am |
Ah me. Works calls. I've spent a little time reading laughing, watching your YouTubes, checking the front page, but now it's time to face the music. I gave way too few updings and now I must depart. Have a great day, one and all!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:10:54am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:10:59am |
re: #403 oaktree
Is there a previous case implying that three days after death is necessary?
No ,,,, but I just ant to make sure the bastard just wasn;t holding his breath for 72 hours!
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:11:45am |
re: #413 sattv4u2
Bury em in cement or embalm them immediately...no playing possum under either of those circumstances.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:11:55am |
re: #402 Rightwingconspirator
Honestly, terrorists fall right into the same level as sex offenders. I don't care what happens to them in prison.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:12:46am |
re: #397 sattv4u2
I am in total agreement with you
Just got out my telescope and looked to the heavens
I didn;'t see two moons orbiting the earth, so hell must be frozen over this a.m.!!
/
Heh, well, i guess it had to happen sometime!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:13:02am |
re: #415 CapeCoddah
Honestly, terrorists fall right into the same level as sex offenders. I don't care what happens to them in prison.
They are one in the same. See Beslan.
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:13:03am |
re: #415 CapeCoddah
Honestly, terrorists fall right into the same level as sex offenders. I don't care what happens to them in prison.
Interesting, no?
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:13:10am |
re: #406 Rightwingconspirator
To me, we're standing on a cultural divide in terms of the relationship of workers and companies: the old idea that a job is a semi-permanent thing is fast approaching archaicness, as more and more companies value fungibility in their employees. There are some terrible memes propagating through the corporate world, and I think they're doing as much damage to our economy as the banks did.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:13:18am |
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:14:50am |
re: #419 Obdicut
And those same companies will complain about lack of employee loyalty.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:15:12am |
re: #421 MandyManners
Sam's Club's sacking 11,000 workers.
Wonder if they'll all end up working at Walmart?
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:15:16am |
re: #405 Slap
Actually, from the rhythm of your prose and the content of what you've been saying on this subject, I'm not in the least surprised that you're an admirer. I believe that his work is the definitive place to begin for those who wish to become knowledgeable.
I haven't read him since like 95. Or kept up on his work, or Alice Vachss's. Looking forward to reading through that link. He was probably one the people who first got me interested in the issue though, and he was talking about organised rings of paedophiles all the way back before the internet.
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:15:20am |
re: #422 PT Barnum
And those same companies will complain about lack of employee loyalty.
Dingworthy.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:15:28am |
re: #401 PT Barnum
Mandy and I are of the age where nice guy is the most important thing. That and being a grown up. Which is why I married a guy 15 years older than myself at age 18, almost 25 years ago.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:15:50am |
Here is part of the reason I don't trust prosecutors to do the right thing. In this Iowa case the prosecutors manufactured evidence to convict 2 people.
The two innocent men, Terry Harrington and Curtis McGhee, had spent nearly 26 years in prison for a murder they didn’t commit. After the truth was discovered and they were released, they sued the prosecutors in Pottawattamie County, Iowa.An investigation revealed that the prosecutors helped assemble and present false testimony that led to their convictions. Messrs. Harrington and McGhee had been sentenced to life in prison at hard labor with no possibility of parole.
What did they do when they found out about the prosecutors lying?
The prosecutors fought the civil lawsuit, arguing that they were entitled to absolute immunity from such litigation for actions taken at trial.
When it hit the Supreme Court:
The Obama administration had urged the high court to side with the prosecutors out of concern that a ruling for the innocent defendants might make prosecutors reluctant to aggressively enforce the law.Attorneys general from 27 states and the District of Columbia filed a friend of the court brief urging the high court to embrace a broad view of immunity for prosecutors.
Rather than being worried about prosecutors lying and cheating to convict innocent people, they circled the wagons. Pathetic. Maybe if they weren't willing to fabricate evidence to convict people they wouldn't have to worry about having absolute immunity.
[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:16:00am |
re: #220 lawhawk
Breaking: Chemical Ali has been executed by the Iraqis. He was a cousin to Saddam and was intimately involved in Saddam's use of chemical weapons against the Kurds during the Anfal campaign - a genocidal ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of people.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
The world a now a better place with one less genocidal maniac.
I blame Bush.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:16:37am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:17:01am |
re: #421 MandyManners
Sam's Club's
sackingoutsourcing 11,000 workers.
They're going with a private contractor to provide them with people to pass out samples. From what I read/heard SAMS is going to help those people apply for the thousands of positions the contractor now has openings for
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:17:04am |
re: #426 CapeCoddah
Mandy and I are of the age where nice guy is the most important thing. That and being a grown up. Which is why I married a guy 15 years older than myself at age 18, almost 25 years ago.
Tight butts drive me nuts. Still.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:17:21am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:17:26am |
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:17:54am |
re: #428 RogueOne
Rather than being worried about prosecutors lying and cheating to convict innocent people, they circled the wagons. Pathetic. Maybe if they weren't willing to fabricate evidence to convict people they wouldn't have to worry about having absolute immunity.
That is a very concerning case. I can understand why people would want to circle the wagons, but that doesn't mean it's the right reaction. Are the concepts of ethics and honesty so lost in our society that people cannot think in terms of doing the right thing?
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:18:05am |
Yeah I have that feeling, okay off the child offender topic but what happens with the POW legalities and reputation when we put them in a prison with worse conditions than Gitmo?
Work beckons I'm out for now.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:18:10am |
re: #426 CapeCoddah
Mandy and I are of the age where nice guy is the most important thing. That and being a grown up. Which is why I married a guy 15 years older than myself at age 18, almost 25 years ago.
Like I said, most don't seem to realize that nice is nice until they get into their late 20s and realize if they want to have kids, they don't want to raise their husband first.
Mrs. Barnum calls me a 12 year old sometimes, but mostly because I still like to play with my son's toys. We have this game called Castles and Crusades that you play on the floor and try to knock over the other guys army with these little disc shooters. Just two little boys playing on the floor only one has bad knees and a mortgage.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:18:20am |
re: #432 sattv4u2
They're going with a private contractor to provide them with people to pass out samples. From what I read/heard SAMS is going to help those people apply for the thousands of positions the contractor now has openings for
They skeert the gubmint was gonna make 'em buy healthcare?
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:18:23am |
re: #422 PT Barnum
Yeah. One of the more damaging memes is spread by that cuddly company Google, which really, really encourages employees to identify themselves with their jobs, with Google. They whole free breakfast, lunch, dinner, concierge service-- and the fact they love recruiting fresh college grads-- to me is a very conscious effort.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:18:40am |
re: #420 sattv4u2
We'll always have Paris!
Speaking of which (kind of)--
Planning a trip to DC next month; Jimmah will be on the East Coast with me and he's never been to DC. I think we should do a short trip there (like 3 days) assuming money and time allow.
All suggestions and recommendations about where to stay and what to eat are very welcome. We have a few of the obvious sights on our list (lincoln & jefferson memorials, the Wall, Smithsonian, Holocaust museum, National Archives, etc).
Looking for info though! I haven't been in years myself.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:19:28am |
re: #433 MandyManners
Tight butts drive me nuts. Still.
Women all say they want a little behind...I've been a little behind all my life and it hasn't helped me at all.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:20:10am |
re: #428 RogueOne
Disgusting, but that is the exception, not the rule.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:20:27am |
Hittin the shower
Hittin the errand list
Looking forward to the former
The latter,,,, not so much
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:21:03am |
re: #441 iceweasel
All suggestions and recommendations about where to stay and what to eat are very welcome. We have a few of the obvious sights on our list (lincoln & jefferson memorials, the Wall, Smithsonian, Holocaust museum, National Archives, etc).
Yes. Three days? You can skip the Smithsonian (Air & Space will be fine) but the Smithsonian is a place where you could spend two weeks, then find out a day later, "We forgot to see ______? WTF?"
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:21:45am |
re: #422 PT Barnum
And those same companies will complain about lack of employee loyalty.
Correction: They already DO complain about a lack of employee loyalty. A lot of company people I've been talking to these days have been talking about how the company shows them no loyalty, so they feel no obligation to return it. It's a sentiment I can well understand. Employers seem more and more willing to treat their employees as disposable, when in reality, especially in the "mind labor" market I'm in, well-trained and well-adjusted employees are expensive and require large amounts of time to maximize their potential.
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:21:50am |
re: #433 MandyManners
Tight butts drive me nuts. Still.
You know, we say we want a man with certain characteristics of the heart, and yet we are still drawn to that body.
A friend of mine has a daughter that is drop-dead gorgeous, but she has a serious brain in that head. She has had more guys hit on her and assume she's a bimbo. Finding a good guy has been extra, extra hard for her.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:21:50am |
re: #428 RogueOne
Here is part of the reason I don't trust prosecutors to do the right thing. In this Iowa case the prosecutors manufactured evidence to convict 2 people
did you get that broad brush at LOWES or Home Depot!?!?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:22:15am |
re: #433 MandyManners
Tight butts drive me nuts. Still.
LOL, me too, one of the many reasons I love watching Football.
Hubby is 57, in construction all his life and still has the yummy body he had when I met him,, butt included.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:23:44am |
re: #445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yes. Three days? You can skip the Smithsonian (Air & Space will be fine) but the Smithsonian is a place where you could spend two weeks, then find out a day later, "We forgot to see ___? WTF?"
I did warn him that the Smithsonian is "America's Attic", and even 2 weeks wouldn't be enough.
I was arguing for just the Air & Space museum, which he's very excited about.
If anyone has a shortish 'best of' hits for the Smithsonian though, (like 6-8 hrs) I'm up for it!
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:23:45am |
re: #449 CapeCoddah
LOL, me too, one of the many reasons I love watching Football.
Hubby is 57, in construction all his life and still has the yummy body he had when I met him,, butt included.
Another one that I thought was one of the guys.
Actually, you may be still.
Sorry.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:23:48am |
re: #437 Rightwingconspirator
I dont care. They should have never made it off the battlefield, according to the Geneva conventions.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:24:17am |
re: #449 CapeCoddah
LOL, me too, one of the many reasons I love watching Football.
Hubby is 57, in construction all his life and still has the yummy body he had when I met him,, butt included.
Thankfully for me, Mrs Barnum likes em well padded. She is too...or as I prefer to refer to it..she is plush.
A Tribute To Rubens
The greatest joy that I have found
is women who are soft and round
Not slender, lithe, or very lean
their beauty's very rarely seen
.
Because they are not model types
(Like you might see with Wesley Snipes)
Their beauty lies below the skin
The best of them lies deep within
.
Down deep, where only brave souls go
that's the part I've come to know
And when they love, they love so well
More than that I shall not tell
.
For if I did, then all would see
without as many left for me
I admit that tis not fair
but I'm just not inclined to share
.
I want them all, or one or two
Okay, just one would really do
And so, without a lot of mush
I say I like my women plush.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:25:04am |
re: #441 iceweasel
re: #445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yes. Three days? You can skip the Smithsonian (Air & Space will be fine) but the Smithsonian is a place where you could spend two weeks, then find out a day later, "We forgot to see ___? WTF?"
I agree with FVB. If you only have three days, see the "scenic" stuff. Going into the Smitjsonian is like going into a Vegas Casino. You lose all track of time
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:25:57am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:26:14am |
re: #453 PT Barnum
That was epic. I should send that to the Mrs. Fish. As I so often tell her, I like my woman to have some meat on her bones.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:26:31am |
re: #229 Obdicut
The triage is being done right now (a friend of mine is one of the guys working on it) and every effort is being bent to make sure that entirely non-violent, mainly felony drug offense and other similarly less-threatening guys are the ones being let back out.
However: they were non-violent and less threatening when they went into prison. Who knows what they learned in there?
Prison reform is probably the single most important un-talked-about issue in this country. I have no idea why people aren't incredibly outraged that our prisons basically function as criminal recruiting grounds.
Good points.
One I like to emphasize, we like to debate here on the horrors of "enhanced interrogation" and such, yet we all snigger about what happens to certain prisoners in US prisons implying that this is part of the punishment the prisoner deserve.
While we reserve such things as waterboarding for a few arch-prisoners and hotly debate this, thousands are routinely sent into situations in which they will experience rape, beatings and other forms of torment, without so much as a blink of the eye.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:26:50am |
re: #441 iceweasel
Can't suggest a hotel or eateries since I haven't lived in the DC area for 20 years. However, I think the Arlington National Cemetery is worth adding to the itinerary.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:26:56am |
Well, our big old house goes on the market this week. Realtor's asking price is WAY more than we though it'd be, but he says we've underestimated the value. Looked at comps - we should sell in about 60 days.
Saw a possible replacement house yesterday, in our dream town. An older house, in great shape, at less than half what ours should sell for.
Theoretically, when it's all said and done, I could support our current lifestyle, in the new house in the new town, on a minimum-wage income. And I'll still be pulling down my current salary.
I tell you what - Bless Texas!
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Locker Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:26:57am |
re: #441 iceweasel
Speaking of which (kind of)--
Planning a trip to DC next month; Jimmah will be on the East Coast with me and he's never been to DC. I think we should do a short trip there (like 3 days) assuming money and time allow.
All suggestions and recommendations about where to stay and what to eat are very welcome. We have a few of the obvious sights on our list (lincoln & jefferson memorials, the Wall, Smithsonian, Holocaust museum, National Archives, etc).
Looking for info though! I haven't been in years myself.
Joss Cafe & Sushi Bar is supposed to be real good. It's in Annapolis as follows:
[Link: www.josscafe-sushibar.com...]
Have a great trip and be safe.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:26:58am |
re: #450 iceweasel
Art is cool, but hell; y'all are in Europe, so lot's of art is close. Though they have wonderful American Art. Right across the mall from Air and Space. 6-8 hours?
Air & Space, the Memorials (the Mall) and Natural History are my faves.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:27:29am |
re: #456 thedopefishlives
Thank you..I wrote that when I was single, but it still applies. Only had one skinny girlfriend my entire life and it was like boinking a broom. She dumped me because I didn't go with her new purse. j/k..sorta
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:27:38am |
re: #453 PT Barnum
Thankfully for me, Mrs Barnum likes em well padded. She is too...or as I prefer to refer to it..she is plush.
.
Zaftig. The word you want is zaftig.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:28:06am |
re: #451 Ben Hur
LOL, I gave birth twice... how's that for a clue?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:28:36am |
re: #462 PT Barnum
Thank you..I wrote that when I was single, but it still applies. Only had one skinny girlfriend my entire life and it was like boinking a broom. She dumped me because I didn't go with her new purse. j/k..sorta
I had an uber-skinny ex-girlfriend. She was a psychology major, which should've been my first clue. She told me I gave her a mental disorder.
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:29:01am |
re: #464 CapeCoddah
LOL, I gave birth twice... how's that for a clue?
It's my right as a man to have children.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:29:38am |
re: #463 Guanxi88
I knew that word. but I don't know a lot of words that rhyme with zaftig
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:29:46am |
re: #458 oaktree
Can't suggest a hotel or eateries since I haven't lived in the DC area for 20 years. However, I think the Arlington National Cemetery is worth adding to the itinerary.
If you can afford it? Do not stay in the outlands to save money. You'll blow so much time trying to get in and out, an extra 50.00 a night to stay in town is well worth it.
The metro is also the only way to go if you do stay in the hinterlands...
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:30:05am |
re: #465 thedopefishlives
I had an uber-skinny ex-girlfriend. She was a psychology major, which should've been my first clue. She told me I gave her a mental disorder.
Sigh. Why is it that my friends who were psychology majors all had serious emotional problems? Not trying to paint with that broad brush, but my experience has been fairly consistent there.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:30:27am |
re: #466 Ben Hur
It's my right as a man to have children.
I'm sure there's a porn site that is dedicated to graphically showing how that might happen...:) Rule 34
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:30:33am |
re: #468 PT Barnum
I knew that word. but I don't know a lot of words that rhyme with zaftig
Well, fair enough - but it's such a fine word, I suggest its inclusion in any follow-ups to your Ode.
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:30:45am |
re: #441 iceweasel
Staying at a hotel near the Metro would be key for keeping costs down (get a multi-day pass). I stayed at a Holiday Inn near Dupont Circle.
There's some great food to be had there. We had a great (expensive) dinner at Charlie Palmer's near the Capitol. Kramerbooks at Dupont Circle is also good (good food, and it doubles as a bookstore).
If you're up for walking, you could hit most of the outdoor monuments with relative ease. You can start at the Iwo Jima memorial up in Arlington, walk down to the Lincoln Memorial, then to the Vietnam Veterans and Korean War Veterans Memorials, then to the WWII memorial, and scoot around the Tidal Pool to get the FDR and Jefferson memorials.
You might be able to get admission tickets to the USHMM ahead of time online (to avoid the lines and have a set admission time).
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:31:00am |
re: #469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If you can afford it? Do not stay in the outlands to save money. You'll blow so much time trying to get in and out, an extra 50.00 a night to stay in town is well worth it.
The metro is also the only way to go if you do stay in the hinterlands...
Omg yes. The one time I was in DC, we took the Metro into town and walked everywhere. It worked out SO well, I'll probably do the same whenever I get around to taking the Mrs. Fish out there.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:31:09am |
re: #465 thedopefishlives
I had an uber-skinny ex-girlfriend. She was a psychology major, which should've been my first clue. She told me I gave her a mental disorder.
I dated a psych major. She said I had OCD because I got coffee every morning from the same place. I told her it was the only place opened that early. I hated her.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:31:24am |
re: #472 Guanxi88
Well, fair enough - but it's such a fine word, I suggest its inclusion in any follow-ups to your Ode.
It is..it's right up there with calliphygian...or having shapely buttocks...
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:31:31am |
re: #432 sattv4u2
They're going with a private contractor to provide them with people to pass out samples. From what I read/heard SAMS is going to help those people apply for the thousands of positions the contractor now has openings for
Sub-contractors - on your own. No bennies. Pay your own taxes & insurance, cheaper for the big company.
As has been mentioned on this blog before, there is a very fine line between sub-contractor and employee.
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:31:34am |
re: #470 vxbush
Sigh. Why is it that my friends who were psychology majors all had serious emotional problems? Not trying to paint with that broad brush, but my experience has been fairly consistent there.
1) Because they self-analyze. (Also done to their children- so watch out!)
2) Because the real world doesn't jibe with what they learned at school.
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skwiself Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:31:55am |
I think the message is one that is very difficult to convey, being based on personal experience, and that an attempt to not have sex before marriage is unwise on many levels.
Maybe for you it was... maybe for other people it wasn't, or won't be. For myself I'd certainly be in your position, hell no it wouldn't have been good (wouldn't be good, marriage is not in my picture atm haha). But to blanketly say that "no sex before marriage is unwise" is unwise.
Legalize weed, you'd see the crime rate drop further and you'd reduce recidivism by a decent amount. One of the reasons the crime rate dropped in the last 2 decades, besides better policing strategy and tactics, is we locked up criminals longer. That increase in the prison population kept a lot of recidivists off the street. But when you're throwing someone in jail for possession of weed, all you're doing is, more likely than not, taking a decent citizen who doesn't do anything "wrong" other than smoking marijuana and embittering them against the police, against the courts, against the government, against everyone but their new criminal acquaintances, who are likely to turn them into something other than decent citizens who do nothing more than smoke trees. Keep marijuana out of the criminal justice system, stop putting potheads in a position where harder criminals can mold them in their image.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:31:58am |
re: #477 PT Barnum
It is..it's right up there with calliphygian...or having shapely buttocks...
Another great one. "Pneumatic" has its place as well.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:32:07am |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:32:09am |
re: #440 Obdicut
Yeah. One of the more damaging memes is spread by that cuddly company Google, which really, really encourages employees to identify themselves with their jobs, with Google. They whole free breakfast, lunch, dinner, concierge service-- and the fact they love recruiting fresh college grads-- to me is a very conscious effort.
Perks are damaging? Sometimes organizations just want to provide a nice place to work. How do you distinguish between a "damaging meme" and an organization honestly trying to be a good employer?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:32:16am |
re: #476 Cannadian Club Akbar
I dated a psych major. She said I had OCD because I got coffee every morning from the same place. I told her it was the only place opened that early. I hated her.
This is why I love the Mrs. Fish. She has ... COMMON SENSE.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:32:29am |
re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Art is cool, but hell; y'all are in Europe, so lot's of art is close. Though they have wonderful American Art. Right across the mall from Air and Space. 6-8 hours?
Air & Space, the Memorials (the Mall) and Natural History are my faves.
I think the National Gallery is awesome, but we're looking at 3 nights tops. He'll be on the East Coast with me for a few weeks, waiting on the spousal visa for me to Scotland, and since he's hardly been to the east coast before I think we should do a 3 night stay in DC or Philly.
I personally like Philly better as a city, and for all the historical sites, but he's never been to DC.
So, kinda looking for the sights that a non-American would definitely want to see in that time period. I don't know when we'll be back in the US and I think we should take the opportunity for him to see some major US historical stuff.
Also, I'm looking for inexpensive but cool places to stay in DC.
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gymmom Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:32:48am |
re: #450 iceweasel
We went on a "constituents" tour of the library of congress. That was awesome. We just called our congressman's office ahead of time. (Don't know if you can still do that since you moved). We stayed at Capitol Hill Suites which is a short walk to the capitol and the supreme court and library of congress and the metro. It wasn't cheap, but very handy.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:33:01am |
re: #481 Guanxi88
Another great one. "Pneumatic" has its place as well.
My father once referred to a particularly shapely lass that I had a date with as being built like a ceramic defecatorium...
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blueherron Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:33:10am |
re: #450 iceweasel
I did warn him that the Smithsonian is "America's Attic", and even 2 weeks wouldn't be enough.
I was arguing for just the Air & Space museum, which he's very excited about.
If anyone has a shortish 'best of' hits for the Smithsonian though, (like 6-8 hrs) I'm up for it!
I live in Baltimore and frequently do "tours" of DC. In fact, I worked for a British company and used to take co-workers from Oxford there all the time. I'd love to shepard you and Jimmah around. I think I've made my e-mail available.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:33:30am |
re: #470 vxbush
LOL, I have been pointing out for years that most therapists need some serious treatment themselves. I say they should all be put on one big island and let then analyze each other, they are the ones who really need it. That they project their own issues is a huge understatement.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:33:35am |
Random, but I gotta tell someone.
Its weird to get home from work, do some online banking, and realize that your bank went out of business last Friday.
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:34:00am |
re: #473 lawhawk
Anything that doesn't honor American soldiers?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:34:22am |
re: #490 windsagio
Random, but I gotta tell someone.
Its weird to get home from work, do some online banking, and realize that your bank went out of business last Friday.
Whoops.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:34:31am |
re: #487 PT Barnum
My father once referred to a particularly shapely lass that I had a date with as being built like a ceramic defecatorium...
Like hay is stacked
And that's a fact
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:34:50am |
re: #479 Ben Hur
1) Because they self-analyze. (Also done to their children- so watch out!)
2) Because the real world doesn't jibe with what they learned at school.
I'm not so sure self-analysis is bad. I have had no psych classes and I analyze myself fairly frequently. Of course, I can't do much damage to myself, as I know nothing.
#2 sounds more reasonable.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:34:52am |
re: #490 windsagio
Random, but I gotta tell someone.
Its weird to get home from work, do some online banking, and realize that your bank went out of business last Friday.
That does suck. Heh.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:36:13am |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:36:17am |
re: #241 RogueOne
Interesting story from a writer at the Washington Post who got called for jury duty:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]He knew the guy was guilty and knew the cops lied so he decided to go the way of "Jury Nullification". He didn't get to follow through, he was an alternate, but it seems the rest of the jurors came to the same conclusion anyway.
I'd have voted guilty in such a case. I could not stomach letting a dealer walk.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:36:22am |
re: #495 vxbush
I'm not so sure self-analysis is bad. I have had no psych classes and I analyze myself fairly frequently. Of course, I can't do much damage to myself, as I know nothing.
#2 sounds more reasonable.
Self-analysis is bad when it turns out like a hypochondriac self-diagnosing. Frequently, psych students are so eager to put their training to use that they'll find something in themselves that just HAS to be analyzed, diagnosed, and possibly even treated. In my case, she went to a professional and told him what she wanted him to hear to get a diagnosis, then came back to me and threw it in my face.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:36:26am |
re: #483 Aceofwhat?
It's very hard to distinguish, and the best intentions can lead to the propagation of a bad meme. Hell, it was one of my heroes, Frank Gilbreth came up with the meme "A happy worker is a productive worker", and I feel that it's done a lot of good as it penetrated the business world.
With some companies like Google, however, and with many Japanese companies, there is a very clear advocation that your fellow employees should be your best friends, that you should socialize a lot outside of work.
Basically, to me, nearly every company that promotes the idea that employees are like family, or friends, is being shamelessly dishonest.
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:36:36am |
re: #489 CapeCoddah
LOL, I have been pointing out for years that most therapists need some serious treatment themselves. I say they should all be put on one big island and let then analyze each other, they are the ones who really need it. That they project their own issues is a huge understatement.
Emphasis added, because it's true. Upding.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:37:00am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:37:01am |
re: #488 blueherron
I live in Baltimore and frequently do "tours" of DC. In fact, I worked for a British company and used to take co-workers from Oxford there all the time. I'd love to shepard you and Jimmah around. I think I've made my e-mail available.
Cheers! Saved your email and will write you later today. Really nice to see you again blueherron!
Thanks to everyone who is offering info-- I will be back later for your recommendations and to upding everyone offering one. :-)
Have a great day, all!
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:37:24am |
And in another random bit of history; bubble wrap was invented 50 years ago this year.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:37:41am |
re: #470 vxbush
Sigh. Why is it that my friends who were psychology majors all had serious emotional problems? Not trying to paint with that broad brush, but my experience has been fairly consistent there.
you took the words right out of my mouth...
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:37:51am |
re: #499 thedopefishlives
Self-analysis is bad when it turns out like a hypochondriac self-diagnosing. Frequently, psych students are so eager to put their training to use that they'll find something in themselves that just HAS to be analyzed, diagnosed, and possibly even treated. In my case, she went to a professional and told him what she wanted him to hear to get a diagnosis, then came back to me and threw it in my face.
Yikes. "Look at me, I'm special!" What silliness.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:38:19am |
re: #507 lawhawk
And in another random bit of history; bubble wrap was invented 50 years ago this year.
And it drives me crazy to this day.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:39:03am |
re: #501 Obdicut
It's very hard to distinguish, and the best intentions can lead to the propagation of a bad meme. Hell, it was one of my heroes, Frank Gilbreth came up with the meme "A happy worker is a productive worker", and I feel that it's done a lot of good as it penetrated the business world.
I wonder, though, if he didn't get that backward. I'd suggest that the happiness is the result of productivity in a profession about which one more or less gives a damn, and which one likes fairly well enough, at least.
The encouragement of socialization that one sees in Japanese firms (and in others as well) is I think largely a cultural artifact of the Japanese.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:39:12am |
re: #507 lawhawk
A therapist is much, much more expensive.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:39:32am |
re: #509 vxbush
Yikes. "Look at me, I'm special!" What silliness.
It turned out well enough in the end: I didn't go for it, she raged at me for not feeling guilty (I had nothing to feel guilty about), then she swore never to talk to me again. I did see her one other time, she got married to some poor sucker and he was visiting friends at my college. That was, shall we say, awkward. But that was the end of it, more than 4 years ago now.
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:39:40am |
Polish bishop: Jews exploit Holocaust as propaganda
The Holocaust only receives media coverage because of affluent Jews' financial backing, military might and lobbying fronts, presenting a skewed version of events to the world, a high-ranking Polish bishop told a Catholic news portal on Monday.
Catholic clergy walk during a procession inside the Church of the Holy
Polish bishop and professor Tadeusz Pieronek told the Web site Pontifex.roma that while the Holocaust was not exclusively Jewish, Jews had monopolized it in lieu of encouraging "serious historical debate, free from prejudice and victimization."Pieronek alleged that Jews today use the Holocaust as "a weapon of propaganda, used to obtain benefits which are often unjustified," citing as an example the unconditional support for Israel by the US. "This promotes a certain arrogance that I find unbearable," he said, explaining that Israel was using its position of power and exploiting historical tragedies to treat the Palestinians "like animals."
Not surprising.
Luckily I have my trusty POLISH REMOVER handy for these instances.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:40:03am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:40:23am |
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:40:44am |
re: #515 thedopefishlives
It turned out well enough in the end: I didn't go for it, she raged at me for not feeling guilty (I had nothing to feel guilty about), then she swore never to talk to me again. I did see her one other time, she got married to some poor sucker and he was visiting friends at my college. That was, shall we say, awkward. But that was the end of it, more than 4 years ago now.
Yes, I bet that was awkward. But better left in the past.
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:41:15am |
re: #487 PT Barnum
My father once referred to a particularly shapely lass that I had a date with as being built like a ceramic defecatorium...
She looked as if she had been poured into her clothes and forgotten to say when.
-P.G. Wodehouse.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:41:23am |
WOW, news said they just arrested Nancy Kerrigan's brother for beating the hell out of their father or step father... guy died in his sleep last night.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:42:11am |
re: #501 Obdicut
It's very hard to distinguish, and the best intentions can lead to the propagation of a bad meme. Hell, it was one of my heroes, Frank Gilbreth came up with the meme "A happy worker is a productive worker", and I feel that it's done a lot of good as it penetrated the business world.
With some companies like Google, however, and with many Japanese companies, there is a very clear advocation that your fellow employees should be your best friends, that you should socialize a lot outside of work.
Basically, to me, nearly every company that promotes the idea that employees are like family, or friends, is being shamelessly dishonest.
Oh, gotcha. Yeah, we worked hard at my last company to provide a great place to work, but we gently frowned on post-work socialization (you can't tell folks what to do, but you can suggest to your managers and supervisors that hanging out with their staff on a regular basis will only lead to trouble...you can't spend equal time with everyone and you don't always behave like you should).
So I think that various perks can be a smart way to retain talent but it ain't a family. Bidness is bidness.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:42:18am |
re: #519 vxbush
Yes, I bet that was awkward. But better left in the past.
Indeed. It makes a nice conversation piece - my experiences with women have hardly been what anyone would call "ordinary". ;)
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:42:44am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:42:51am |
re: #516 Ben Hur
Polish bishop: Jews exploit Holocaust as propaganda
Not surprising.
Luckily I have my trusty POLISH REMOVER handy for these instances.
Sounds like a good buddy for Buchanan.
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:43:10am |
re: #525 thedopefishlives
Indeed. It makes a nice conversation piece - my experiences with women have hardly been what anyone would call "ordinary". ;)
That's the way I feel about my family--anything but ordinary....
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:43:48am |
re: #522 CapeCoddah
Seriously? Geeze! I just posted that link up at #511. Didn't know!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:43:49am |
re: #529 vxbush
That's the way I feel about my family--anything but ordinary...
Upding because the same could be said for my family, and my in-laws as well. In the land of the odd, as the old game goes.
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cliffster Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:43:51am |
re: #527 Ben Hur
Sorry. There are no half-down-dings.
I'm 100% non-polish, so I gave it a full upding
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:44:05am |
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:44:08am |
re: #513 Guanxi88
Well, I think you're vastly changing the equation by adding in the bit about "about which one more or less gives a damn, and which one likes fairly well enough,". Much of Gilbreth's work was for assembly-line workers, clerical workers, the Army, and many other times where the job itself is not going to ever be rewarding except in the abstract. Happiness in being a productive worker would depend on some external meme, and it can still cause anger and conflict if the worker feels like his productivity isn't appreciated or rewarded-- or if he realizes that productivity is achieved at the price of his happiness and health.
To put it another way: Gilbreth demonstrated many ways that making employees 'happier'-- really, generally, less unhappy, less unhealthy-- gives rise to greater productivity, but reading between the lines of his text in general you find the meme that unhappiness will slow down productivity, and a clearer explanation of his theme would have been that an unhappy worker is a less productive worker.
He was not analyzing creative jobs, for the most part, but routine jobs with a heavy element of boredom and drudge.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:44:49am |
re: #485 iceweasel
I think a lot is going to hinge on Jimmah's interests. I presume it's pretty easy to see "old" houses in England, so something like Mt Vernon could be skipped unless he has particular interest in seeing where George Washington lived. Likewise, the Natural History museum can be skipped unless there is something special there that *must be seen* that is just at that one.
(I've been to Natural History museums in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Chicago, etc. and there is essentially a lot of overlap in the sense that there is general material they all cover. But the last time I was in the Field Museum in Chicago I made sure to go see the Tsavo lions since they are only there. And I hit the British Museum the one time I was in London because I wanted to see the Elgin Marbles and the Rosetta Stone.)
The memorials are the unique bits for the most part, but you have that covered already.
And I concur with getting a multi-day Metro pass. That allows you a lot more flexibility dealing with hotels and eateries. Plus you won't be caught in the road traffic. (And for Arlington Cemetery I'm pretty sure you can get a bus to/from there from the Lincoln Memorial - or at least you used to.)
Finally, the Vietnam Memorial (The Wall) is downright spooky at night.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:45:24am |
Scanning the thread as I came in - I'm heading to the Smithsonian in April, new girlfriend and I are going to the American History Museum. Don't know how much time we will have, should be 3 hours +.
We both have Heart Defects, so we want to see the AbioCor Artificial Heart, if it is on display.
Any other suggestions? What do we really have to see in the American History Museum?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:45:56am |
re: #530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Seriously? Geeze! I just posted that link up at #511. Didn't know!
It is Kerrigans father.. her mom says he died of a heart attack, but apparently the brother had assaulted him, he had major injuries.. looks like a murder charge coming down after autopsy.. he is being arraigned on felony assault on person over 65 as we speak..
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tradewind Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:46:21am |
Now the Dems are providing campaign ad copy for the RNC in '10?
White House adviser Valerie Jarrett told NBC's "Meet the Press" program. "We're not hitting a reset button at all."
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:46:41am |
re: #538 CapeCoddah
It is Kerrigans father.. her mom says he died of a heart attack, but apparently the brother had assaulted him, he had major injuries.. looks like a murder charge coming down after autopsy.. he is being arraigned on felony assault on person over 65 as we speak..
No word on CNN about it....
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Liberal Classic Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:46:44am |
re: #511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ironically, Nancy Kerrigan is back in the headline news. Her brother has been arrested for assaulting their father, who suffered a heart attack and died.
[Link: news.bostonherald.com...]
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:46:54am |
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:47:30am |
re: #540 vxbush
May still be local, which is what I am watching..
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:47:36am |
re: #542 PT Barnum
The most unlikely lead singer in history.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:47:52am |
re: #534 Obdicut
Well, I think you're vastly changing the equation by adding in the bit about "about which one more or less gives a damn, and which one likes fairly well enough,". Much of Gilbreth's work was for assembly-line workers, clerical workers, the Army, and many other times where the job itself is not going to ever be rewarding except in the abstract. Happiness in being a productive worker would depend on some external meme, and it can still cause anger and conflict if the worker feels like his productivity isn't appreciated or rewarded-- or if he realizes that productivity is achieved at the price of his happiness and health.
To put it another way: Gilbreth demonstrated many ways that making employees 'happier'-- really, generally, less unhappy, less unhealthy-- gives rise to greater productivity, but reading between the lines of his text in general you find the meme that unhappiness will slow down productivity, and a clearer explanation of his theme would have been that an unhappy worker is a less productive worker.
He was not analyzing creative jobs, for the most part, but routine jobs with a heavy element of boredom and drudge.
And I'd say the principle is still applicable. All that's necessary is that one is productive in a job one doesn't hate, and is able to meet the necessities of daily life. Everything else is just so much gravy.
I do agree that the real goal isn't to make people "happy in their work" but to avoid having them actively miserable there.
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tradewind Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:48:59am |
re: #497 MandyManners
(He's a)
Scott Brown's theme song///
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:50:12am |
Oliver Stone still pushing conspiracy theories over the JFK assassination, saying that we're living in denial to think otherwise.
Hollywood filmmaker Oliver Stone said Monday the United States remains in denial over the possibility that someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald could have assassinated John F. Kennedy, calling it a “national fairy tale.”Speaking to 300 high school students in the Thai capital, Bangkok, Stone said exploring alternative theories over the JFK assassination remains too sensitive for those in the media or academia who “would be endangering their careers and their position.”
“To this day, many key Americans in power are in total denial about this story,” Stone said. “They don’t even want to know about the possibility that he was killed by someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald. It is a national fairy tale.”
Stone was in Bangkok to talk about filmmaking and peace as part of a series of talks facilitated by the Vienna-based International Peace Foundation.
His 1991 film “JFK,” which he acknowledged was his most controversial, ridicules the Warren Commission conclusion that Oswald acted alone and suggests a massive conspiracy.
Stone’s film centered on a theory by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison that a CIA-led mutiny killed the president and the plotters walked away unscathed. Garrison’s theories went to court in 1967, but Clay Shaw, the alleged “evil genius” behind the assassination, was acquitted.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:50:23am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:51:05am |
re: #550 lawhawk
Oliver Stone still pushing conspiracy theories over the JFK assassination, saying that we're living in denial to think otherwise.
Ah, great. Spreading bullshit abroad.
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:51:36am |
re: #550 lawhawk
Oliver Stone still pushing conspiracy theories over the JFK assassination, saying that we're living in denial to think otherwise.
I take it Stone doesn't read, as I understand there is an excellent book that explores the assassination and clearly documents how Oswald did it.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:51:52am |
re: #551 MandyManners
His daughters can really rock a shell bikini too! Rowr!
I'm married, but I can look at the menu if I don't order anything.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:52:13am |
re: #550 lawhawk
He filmed Natural Born Killers while on mushrooms.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:52:20am |
re: #536 SteveC
I think the Smithsonian buildings on the Mall will have something you're interested in. And a lot you just have to be willing to skip. When I "tour guided" friends twenty years ago the mandatory spots were the Air & Space Museum, the memorials (Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln) and Arlington. Beyond that it was some decisions based upon their personal interests, and since beer was a common interest we just about always ended up at the Brickskeller near Dupont Circle for either lunch or dinner.
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:52:43am |
re: #554 vxbush
I take it Stone doesn't read, as I understand there is an excellent book that explores the assassination and clearly documents how Oswald did it.
Oswald was a die hard communist.
Therein lies the problem.
Like Sirhan Sirhan.
Throws a wrench into the narrative.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:53:00am |
re: #554 vxbush
I take it Stone doesn't read, as I understand there is an excellent book that explores the assassination and clearly documents how Oswald did it.
Never underestimate the ability of conspiracy theorists to discount anything that contradicts their heartfelt beliefs..see troofers, birfers, creationists, etc.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:53:04am |
re: #541 Liberal Classic
Ironically, Nancy Kerrigan is back in the headline news. Her brother has been arrested for assaulting their father, who suffered a heart attack and died.
[Link: news.bostonherald.com...]
Just plain sad. Your brother turns out to be an asshole and he gets your father killed in doing so. I hope she finds her way out of the mess she's been put in.
May the Lord bless and comfort her, and may He welcome her father into Heaven. Amen.
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:53:10am |
re: #558 Ben Hur
Oswald was a die hard communist.
Therein lies the problem.
Like Sirhan Sirhan.
Throws a wrench into the narrative.
Darned facts.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:53:30am |
re: #546 Guanxi88
And I'd say the principle is still applicable. All that's necessary is that one is productive in a job one doesn't hate, and is able to meet the necessities of daily life. Everything else is just so much gravy.
I don't know what principle that is, or where it's supposed to apply.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:53:47am |
The unusually large canvas, measuring 77.25 by 45.38 inches (196 by 115 centimeters), sustained a vertical tear of about six inches (15 centimeters) in the lower right-hand corner in the accident on Friday.
The museum, located on the eastern edge of New York's Central Park, did not elaborate on why the woman fell.
But The Met said the damage did not impact the "focal point of the composition" and that it should be repaired in the coming weeks ahead of a major Picasso retrospective featuring some 250 works at the museum opening on April 27.
SNIP
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:54:07am |
re: #555 PT Barnum
His daughters can really rock a shell bikini too! Rowr!
I'm married, but I can look at the menu if I don't order anything.
That's healthy.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:54:09am |
re: #554 vxbush
There is computer animation that shows the seating arrangement in the car debunks the bouncing "magic bullet" nonsense. There is no doubt it was Oswald alone. Rear seats were higher than front seats... the history channel has a great show on it. Stone is a complete moron.
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:54:27am |
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tradewind Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:54:34am |
re: #551 MandyManners
So I'm sitting around a kumbaya-style campfire for a vestry retreat this Fri, someone spots my iphone and immediately starts with ' hey, let's get that picture, we wanna see it! '
And we did. The men in the group were not amused, but it was about time.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:54:36am |
re: #555 PT Barnum
His daughters can really rock a shell bikini too! Rowr!
I'm married, but I can look at the menu if I don't order anything.
I think he's proud of how good they look. Good change of pace from the fundies.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:54:48am |
re: #562 Obdicut
I don't know what principle that is, or where it's supposed to apply.
The principle that the productive worker is the happy worker, and not vice versa. The principle the application of which you thought out of place, as you believed it possibly applicable to white-collar types. You know, the one to which you were responding.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:54:53am |
re: #448 sattv4u2
Here is part of the reason I don't trust prosecutors to do the right thing. In this Iowa case the prosecutors manufactured evidence to convict 2 people
did you get that broad brush at LOWES or Home Depot!?!?
That isn't a broad brush, I was gentle. 27 states joined with the administration in trying to make sure prosecutors keep their absolute immunity. At $12 million, that immunity went cheap.
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:55:01am |
re: #566 CapeCoddah
There is computer animation that shows the seating arrangement in the car debunks the bouncing "magic bullet" nonsense. There is no doubt it was Oswald alone. Rear seats were higher than front seats... the history channel has a great show on it. Stone is a complete moron.
Ah, animated recreations. Great, great tools of forensic science.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:55:11am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:55:19am |
re: #567 vxbush
Egads. I'm not a Picasso fan, but I hate to see artwork damaged.
She must be mortified.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:55:36am |
re: #565 MandyManners
The weird thing is that the women I like to look at fit the normal profile, (firm boobs, flat tummy, tight backside) but the women I end up with and am really attracted to are the cuddly ones.
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Slap Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:56:09am |
re: #485 iceweasel
It's a drive, but if you can make the 2-hour trip to Charlottesville, it's worth it to see Monticello. plus, the countryside is just gorgeous.
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:56:20am |
re: #574 MandyManners
She must be mortified.
I can't imagine how bad she feels. The desire to crawl under the local rug or linoleum must be overwhelming.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:56:45am |
re: #568 tradewind
So I'm sitting around a kumbaya-style campfire for a vestry retreat this Fri, someone spots my iphone and immediately starts with ' hey, let's get that picture, we wanna see it! '
And we did. The men in the group were not amused, but it was about time.
Sauce for the gander!
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Liberal Classic Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:58:57am |
re: #560 Dark_Falcon
Just plain sad. Your brother turns out to be an asshole and he gets your father killed in doing so. I hope she finds her way out of the mess she's been put in.
May the Lord bless and comfort her, and may He welcome her father into Heaven. Amen.
It is a sad story. It sounds like father and son were having a awful brawl. My uncle and grandfather used to go at it a lot, and we were always afraid one of them would have a coronary. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it came out that both Kerrigans were rip roaring drunk at the time.
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tradewind Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:59:19am |
re: #541 Liberal Classic
Sounds more like something from the Tonya Harding clan.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:59:24am |
re: #572 vxbush
This program left absolutely no doubt as to what happened..it was a good one and I think you can find it online at the history channel... highly recommended.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:59:24am |
re: #567 vxbush
Egads. I'm not a Picasso fan, but I hate to see artwork damaged.
Remember when Las Vegas mogul Steve Wynn put his elbow through his Picasso while showing it to his dinner guests (including Barbara Walters)? It was repaired, but dang, that must have sucked.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 8:59:51am |
re: #554 vxbush
I take it Stone doesn't read, as I understand there is an excellent book that explores the assassination and clearly documents how Oswald did it.
Vincent Bugliosi destroys conspiracy theories in his book Reclaiming History
WARNING: 1648 pages
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:00:35am |
re: #585 Stanley Sea
Remember when Las Vegas mogul Steve Wynn put his elbow through his Picasso while showing it to his dinner guests (including Barbara Walters)? It was repaired, but dang, that must have sucked.
I wonder how much the value goes down after such damage. It can be fixed and "restored" in some sense, but does that effect the price of the Big Names in art?
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Liberal Classic Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:01:04am |
re: #583 tradewind
Well, this sort of thing isn't necessarily limited to the trailer park.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:01:08am |
re: #587 RogueOne
That a Chemical Ali quote?
The latest addition to the Famous Last Words collection.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:01:22am |
re: #586 SteveC
Didn't he prosecute the Manson family?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:01:28am |
re: #581 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Pretend it's Tuesday.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:02:17am |
re: #583 tradewind
LOL, the Kerrigan clan has no more class than the Harding clan.
Never has.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:02:19am |
re: #566 CapeCoddah
There is computer animation that shows the seating arrangement in the car debunks the bouncing "magic bullet" nonsense. There is no doubt it was Oswald alone. Rear seats were higher than front seats... the history channel has a great show on it. Stone is a complete moron.
Again, concur. But I think that the reasons those theories came up are as follows:
1. Oswald was killed before he could be tried. This made it look like someone might be out to silence him and prevented the public exposition of Oswald's motives that a trial would have provided.
2. For political reasons the fact that Oswald was a communist was downplayed. The perceived threat in Dallas was from the far-right. Further, had Oswald's communism come to the fore, that fact would have been used by said far right to suggest that JFK was the victim of a "Commie Conspiracy". It further risked angering the Soviet Union at a time when few wanted to do so in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:02:25am |
re: #591 Cannadian Club Akbar
Didn't he prosecute the Manson family?
Yes. He's the guy you DIDN'T want to see at the prosecutors table.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:02:27am |
re: #588 vxbush
I wonder how much the value goes down after such damage. It can be fixed and "restored" in some sense, but does that effect the price of the Big Names in art?
I read about it quite awhile ago, but he was getting ready to sell it when he damaged it, sale put on hold, repair made. Not sure what happened after, but you would bet the value dropped approx. an elbow's worth.
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Kragar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:02:28am |
re: #587 RogueOne
That a Chemical Ali quote?
Thats a me quote. Forgot to set the alarm, wife woke me up at 8:15 asking if I was going in to work today.
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vxbush Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:02:29am |
re: #586 SteveC
Vincent Bugliosi destroys conspiracy theories in his book Reclaiming History
WARNING: 1648 pages
Sounds like an E-reader version would be a better buy. Easier on the arms.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:02:35am |
re: #550 lawhawk
Oliver Stone still pushing conspiracy theories over the JFK assassination, saying that we're living in denial to think otherwise.
And in other news, Hugo Chavez accused the United States of using a secret earthquake bomb to cause the Haitian earthquake, in a field test for their ultimate aim of using it to destroy Iran.
No, I'm really not making this up.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:02:43am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:03:15am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:04:52am |
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:05:14am |
re: #570 Guanxi88
The principle that the productive worker is the happy worker, and not vice versa. The principle the application of which you thought out of place, as you believed it possibly applicable to white-collar types. You know, the one to which you were responding.
I'm sorry, I'm really not getting you. You seem to be saying that being productive can make a worker happy. It's perfectly true-- though the point that Gilbreth is making is that if the job is set up in the wrong way, it will make the employee unhappy while he performs it.
Then you say that all it takes is basic needs being met and a job that one doesn't hate is all that's necessary. Are you saying that's all that's necessary for someone to be happy?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:05:23am |
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:05:29am |
re: #596 Dark_Falcon
I understand, just have no patience fot it any longer. I understand the uncertainty at the time, but we have the tools and technology to disprove the conspiracy theorists. The Warren commission was right. Lots of people do not want to accept that. Oh well.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:05:34am |
re: #603 thedopefishlives
Yes, honey, I know EXACTLY what I'm doing.
Reminds me of the time I damned near made local headlines. Trying to re-compress the spring on our garage door, using a phillips head screwdriver, a step ladder, and sheer brute force. My grip slipped at one point, and down I went on my side to the floor. Luckily, I DID fall, because the tension on the spring turned the screwdriver into a lethal projectile. I pulled it by its handle outta the drywall the next day.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:06:01am |
re: #557 oaktree
I think the Smithsonian buildings on the Mall will have something you're interested in. And a lot you just have to be willing to skip. When I "tour guided" friends twenty years ago the mandatory spots were the Air & Space Museum, the memorials (Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln) and Arlington. Beyond that it was some decisions based upon their personal interests, and since beer was a common interest we just about always ended up at the Brickskeller near Dupont Circle for either lunch or dinner.
I think the Supreme Court building is worth seeing...cool little museum in the basement shows how it was built...the last of the great neo Classical buildings...and the Spy Museum is really fun too
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tradewind Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:06:27am |
re: #601 SixDegrees
Shh.. it's how we're going to gain total control over the Strait of Hormuz and solve our Big Oil Problem for evah.
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Kragar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:06:37am |
re: #590 thedopefishlives
The latest addition to the Famous Last Words collection.
"Nah, I'm sure we're out of range."
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:06:43am |
re: #591 Cannadian Club Akbar
Didn't he prosecute the Manson family?
Yes, he did. He got his interest in the Kennedy Assassination from his being asked to serve as defense council at mock trial of "Kennedy conspirators" in London. He tore up the conspiracy theorists put forward so badly on cross-examination that he effectively won before he even presented his case. The theorists were unprepared to face questioning by a skilled lawyer and fell apart on the witness stand.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:06:58am |
re: #608 Guanxi88
I know a guy with one eye who messed with a garage door spring. He had two eyes just before messing with it.
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Kragar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:07:33am |
re: #611 CapeCoddah
Quiet bomb.
Its a beam which effects the Earth's magnetic field to cause quakes.
invisible of course.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:07:47am |
re: #608 Guanxi88
Reminds me of the time I damned near made local headlines. Trying to re-compress the spring on our garage door, using a phillips head screwdriver, a step ladder, and sheer brute force. My grip slipped at one point, and down I went on my side to the floor. Luckily, I DID fall, because the tension on the spring turned the screwdriver into a lethal projectile. I pulled it by its handle outta the drywall the next day.
Garage door springs are serious business. Those things are made to take a lot of weight. I keep a healthy distance from those, and I've done some foolhardy stuff in my time.
| 617 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:07:47am |
re: #601 SixDegrees
And in other news, Hugo Chavez accused the United States of using a secret earthquake bomb to cause the Haitian earthquake, in a field test for their ultimate aim of using it to destroy Iran.
No, I'm really not making this up.
/now if he can just convince the Iranians...
| 618 |
Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:07:48am |
LOL!
re: #614 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I know a guy with one eye who messed with a garage door spring. He had two eyes just before messing with it.
That hurt just to hear about...that being said, I need to go code some reports. Ya'll take care.
| 619 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:07:50am |
re: #605 Obdicut
I
Then you say that all it takes is basic needs being met and a job that one doesn't hate is all that's necessary. Are you saying that's all that's necessary for someone to be happy?
Those are necessary but not sufficient conditions for worker happiness. It's where you start, not where you want to end up.
| 620 |
SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:07:54am |
Words you never want to hear in the Operating Room:
"Wait... If that's his spleen, what's that?"
"Is the five second rule in effect?"
"Cool! Can you make him kick his leg like a dog?"
"I lost a contact..."
"In all the textbooks these organs are color coded."
"No, don't tug on that. You never know what it might be connected to."
"Price of Darkness, accept this sacrifice!"
| 621 |
Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:07:58am |
| 623 |
Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:08:51am |
re: #620 SteveC
Words you never want to hear in the Operating Room:
"Wait... If that's his spleen, what's that?"
"Is the five second rule in effect?"
"Cool! Can you make him kick his leg like a dog?"
"I lost a contact..."
"In all the textbooks these organs are color coded."
"No, don't tug on that. You never know what it might be connected to."
"Price of Darkness, accept this sacrifice!"
"Whaddya Mean You want a divorce!
| 624 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:09:00am |
After Climategate, Pachaurigate and Glaciergate: Amazongate
AGW theory is toast. So’s Dr Rajendra Pachauri. So’s the Stern Review. So’s the credibility of the IPCC. But if you think I’m cheered by this you’re very much mistaken. I’m trying to write a Climategate book but the way things are going by the time I’m finished there won’t be anything left to say: the battle will already have been won and the only people left who still believe in Man Made Global Warming will be the eco-loon equivalents of those wartime Japanese soldiers left abandoned and forgotten on remote Pacific atolls.
Here’s the latest development, courtesy of Dr Richard North – and it’s a cracker. It seems that, not content with having lied to us about shrinking glaciers, increasing hurricanes, and rising sea levels, the IPCC’s latest assessment report also told us a complete load of porkies about the danger posed by climate change to the Amazon rainforest.
More mistakes and use of grey material violating procedures have been found in the IPCC AR4. This one is even more shocking because the grey material (non-peer reviewed publications) did not even support the alarmist conclusions. This time, the people being cited are activists and journalists, not even scientists.
| 625 |
Gus Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:09:01am |
Head scratcher of the day.
At ABC New dot com:
ABC News' Political Webcast TOPLINE: Should Obama Move Left on Reordered Agenda?
Initiate face palm maneuver.
| 626 |
Kragar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:09:10am |
re: #620 SteveC
Words you never want to hear in the Operating Room:
"Wait... If that's his spleen, what's that?"
"Is the five second rule in effect?"
"Cool! Can you make him kick his leg like a dog?"
"I lost a contact..."
"In all the textbooks these organs are color coded."
"No, don't tug on that. You never know what it might be connected to."
"Price of Darkness, accept this sacrifice!"
"Rectum? Damn near killed him!"
| 627 |
Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:09:19am |
re: #620 SteveC
Here I was trying to get out of here and you had to post that...
| 628 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:09:47am |
| 629 |
Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:10:01am |
re: #626 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"Rectum? Damn near killed him!"
Toby! Come back with that! Bad Dog!
| 630 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:10:20am |
re: #624 Bagua
You're really comfortable quoting an article that leads with "AGW theory is toast"?
Do you endorse that position?
| 631 |
Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:10:33am |
re: #628 brookly red
Never seen one of those before..
| 632 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:10:47am |
re: #538 CapeCoddah
It is Kerrigans father.. her mom says he died of a heart attack, but apparently the brother had assaulted him, he had major injuries.. looks like a murder charge coming down after autopsy.. he is being arraigned on felony assault on person over 65 as we speak..
there is such a thing as "felony assault on person over 65"???
| 633 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:10:56am |
re: #629 PT Barnum
Toby! Come back with that! Bad Dog!
Scalpel. Suction. ...Crap, does anyone know how to unclog the suction line?
| 634 |
Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:10:56am |
re: #631 PT Barnum
Call my lawyer...I'm gonna trade mark a new condition..
| 636 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:12:13am |
re: #615 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Ah, never thought of that. Wow, we really ARE evil bastards, huh?//
| 637 |
Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:12:16am |
re: #634 PT Barnum
Call my lawyer...I'm gonna trade mark a new condition..
| 638 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:12:40am |
re: #630 Obdicut
You're really comfortable quoting an article that leads with "AGW theory is toast"?
Do you endorse that position?
Eh. Who cares. The real question is did the report really go off the rails with regard to the subject? The author can be a denier and still be correct on the merits in this specific instance.
| 639 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:12:57am |
re: #620 SteveC
Words you never want to hear in the Operating Room:
"Wait... If that's his spleen, what's that?"
"Is the five second rule in effect?"
"Cool! Can you make him kick his leg like a dog?"
"I lost a contact..."
"In all the textbooks these organs are color coded."
"No, don't tug on that. You never know what it might be connected to."
"Price of Darkness, accept this sacrifice!"
"Oops..."
| 640 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:13:09am |
re: #634 PT Barnum
Call my lawyer...I'm gonna trade mark a new condition..
Yeah, you don't ever want to have an MD start calling in colleagues to come take a look at you. "I say, Hopkins, have you ever seen such a thing?", etc.....
| 642 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:13:52am |
nobody gives a crap about climate change...
[Link: people-press.org...]
| 643 |
Buck Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:14:21am |
re: #601 SixDegrees
And in other news, Hugo Chavez accused the United States of using a secret earthquake bomb to cause the Haitian earthquake, in a field test for their ultimate aim of using it to destroy Iran.
No, I'm really not making this up.
Well, if he really believed it he would be making his own hut earthquake proof...
| 644 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:15:00am |
re: #620 SteveC
Words you never want to hear in the Operating Room:
"Wait... If that's his spleen, what's that?"
"Is the five second rule in effect?"
"Cool! Can you make him kick his leg like a dog?"
"I lost a contact..."
"In all the textbooks these organs are color coded."
"No, don't tug on that. You never know what it might be connected to."
"Price of Darkness, accept this sacrifice!"
Naked Lunch:
"I had a Yage hangover, me, and in no condition to take any of Browbeck's shit. First thing he comes on with I should start the incision from the back instead of the front, muttering some garbled nonsense about being sure to cut out the gall bladder it would fuck up the meat. Thought he was on a farm cleaning a chicken. I told him to go put his head back in the oven, whereupon he had the effrontery to push my hand severing the patient's femoral artery. Blood spurted up and blinded the anesthetist, who ran out through the halls screaming. Browbeck tried to knee me in the groin, and I managed to hamstring him with my scalpel. He crawled about the floor stabbing at my feet and legs. Violet, that's my baboon assistant -- only woman I ever cared a damn about -- really wigged. I climbed up on the table and poised myself to jump on Browbeck with both feet and stomp him when the cops rushed in.
"Well, this rumble in the operating room, this 'unspeakable occurrence' as the Super called it, you might say was the blow off. A crucifixion, that's the only word for it. Of course I'd made a few 'dumheits' here and there. Who hasn't? There was the time me and the anesthetist drank up all the ether and the patient came up on us, and I was accused of cutting the cocaine with Saniflush. Violet did it actually. Had to protect her of course...
| 645 |
RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:15:26am |
re: #625 Gus 802
Head scratcher of the day.
At ABC New dot com:
ABC News' Political Webcast TOPLINE: Should Obama Move Left on Reordered Agenda?
Initiate face palm maneuver.
Berry in Arkansas gets it but he might be the only one:
“I began to preach last January that we had already seen this movie and we didn’t want to see it again because we know how it comes out,” said Arkansas’ 1st District congressman, who worked in the Clinton administration before being elected to the House in 1996... "I just began to have flashbacks to 1993 and ’94. No one that was here in ’94, or at the day after the election felt like. It certainly wasn’t a good feeling.”
[Link: www.politico.com...]
| 647 |
Kragar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:15:37am |
re: #629 PT Barnum
Toby! Come back with that! Bad Dog!
"So we meet again, my old friend. The reconstructive surgeons did an excellent job, dont you think? Remember Bangkok? By the time the anesthesia wear off, I'm sure you'll never forget it again. Sleep well...old friend. HA..HAHA...BWAHAHAHA!"
| 648 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:15:42am |
re: #632 Aceofwhat?
Yes, in Massachusetts, assault on a person over 65 is an upgraded charge. We take elder abuse very seriously here.
| 649 |
tradewind Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:15:42am |
re: #620 SteveC
Nurse to surgeon: ' How'd you get the nickname 007 '?
| 650 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:15:46am |
re: #624 Bagua
After Climategate, Pachaurigate and Glaciergate: Amazongate
More mistakes and use of grey material violating procedures have been found in the IPCC AR4. This one is even more shocking because the grey material (non-peer reviewed publications) did not even support the alarmist conclusions. This time, the people being cited are activists and journalists, not even scientists.
Recommended so that Charles may view it and respond. And now I must go. I have to ship the item I sold on Ebay.
| 651 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:16:23am |
re: #630 Obdicut
You're really comfortable quoting an article that leads with "AGW theory is toast"?
Do you endorse that position?
Is it an example of impure thoughts or forbidding writtings?
You missed your calling Obdicut, the Spanish Inquisition is in the distant past.
| 652 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:16:31am |
Dr. Benway is operating in an auditorium filled with students: “Now, boys, you won’t see this operation performed very often and there’s a reason for that…. You see it has absolutely no medical value. No one knows what the purpose of it originally was or if it had a purpose at all. Personally I think it was a pure artistic creation from the beginning.
“Just as a bull fighter with his skill and knowledge extricates himself from danger he has himself invoked, so in this operation the surgeon deliberately endangers his patient, and then, with incredible speed and celerity, rescues him from death at the last possible split second…. Did any of you ever see Dr. Tetrazzini perform? I say perform advisedly because his operations were performances. He would start by throwing a scalpel across the room into the patient and then make his entrance like a ballet dancer. His speed was incredible: ‘I don’t give them time to die,’ he would say. Tumors put him in a frenzy of rage. ‘Fucking undisciplined cells!’ he would snarl, advancing on the tumor like a knife-fighter.”
A young man leaps down into the operating theatre and, whipping out a scalpel, advances on the patient.
DR. BENWAY: “An espontaneo! Stop him before he guts my patient!”
(Espontaneo is a bull-fighting term for a member of the audience who leaps down into the ring, pulls out a concealed cape and attempts a few passes with the bull before he is dragged out of the ring.)
The orderlies scuffle with the espontaneo, who is finally ejected from the hall. The anesthetist takes advantage of the confusion to pry a large gold filling from the patient’s mouth….
| 653 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:16:53am |
re: #648 CapeCoddah
Yes, in Massachusetts, assault on a person over 65 is an upgraded charge. We take elder abuse very seriously here.
did not know that...
| 654 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:17:16am |
re: #470 vxbush
Sigh. Why is it that my friends who were psychology majors all had serious emotional problems? Not trying to paint with that broad brush, but my experience has been fairly consistent there.
It's a very well-known phenomenon. Physician, heal thyself. The profession attracts a high-rate of practitioners with a wide-range of psychological problems themselves. Not necessarily a drawback, but sometimes I can seriously get in the way of therapy.
| 655 |
Gus Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:17:18am |
Sneak peak at the State of the Union?
The address is still being written, but one senior official, describing it on the condition of anonymity, said its main themes would include “creating good jobs, addressing the deficit, helping the middle class and changing Washington.”
Here we go again. Another generalization about "creating jobs." This is standard DNC playbook rhetoric.
| 656 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:17:21am |
In the wake of the stunning debacle (in their view) in the Bay State last Tuesday, Democrats find themselves with two thrilling alternatives: They can drop their unread and unreadable 2,200-page monstrosity of a health care reform bill and be labeled as wimps, jerks, and hapless losers who wasted a year and couldn’t deliver. Or, they can try to ram the Senate bill through the House (which hates most of it) in order to pass a bill that two-thirds of the country now loathes with a passion. They can either jump off the ship or stay on and sink with it. Either way, they end up in the drink.
donks in trouble...
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
| 657 |
Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:17:22am |
re: #647 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"So we meet again, my old friend. The reconstructive surgeons did an excellent job, dont you think? Remember Bangkok? By the time the anesthesia wear off, I'm sure you'll never forget it again. Sleep well...old friend. HA..HAHA...BWAHAHAHA!"
My favorite along those lines (if the person has seen Marathon Man)
Is it Safe?
(I swear I wouldn't go to the dentist for a year after I saw that movie the first time)
| 658 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:17:53am |
re: #650 Dark_Falcon
Recommended so that Charles may view it and respond. And now I must go. I have to ship the item I sold on Ebay.
I already posted it in response to Charles request for more examples of mistakes in the IPCC AR4 report.
| 659 |
Nervous Norvous Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:19:04am |
re: #657 PT Barnum
Okay...i really gotta go this time...bbl
| 660 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:19:48am |
Yipes...it is noon. I gotta go do.. something.
See you all later, folks!
| 661 |
MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:19:51am |
| 662 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:20:19am |
re: #485 iceweasel
I think the National Gallery is awesome, but we're looking at 3 nights tops. He'll be on the East Coast with me for a few weeks, waiting on the spousal visa for me to Scotland, and since he's hardly been to the east coast before I think we should do a 3 night stay in DC or Philly.
I personally like Philly better as a city, and for all the historical sites, but he's never been to DC.
So, kinda looking for the sights that a non-American would definitely want to see in that time period. I don't know when we'll be back in the US and I think we should take the opportunity for him to see some major US historical stuff.
Also, I'm looking for inexpensive but cool places to stay in DC.
Take a good look at TripAdvisor and even Lonely Planet. You'll find all sorts of interesting places to stay....
| 663 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:20:57am |
re: #655 Gus 802
Sneak peak at the State of the Union?
Here we go again. Another generalization about "creating jobs." This is standard DNC playbook rhetoric.
millions of jobs have been 'saved'!...housing down a record 17% in one month!...BO attacks Wall Street and banks!...states are going broke!...RECOVERY!
| 664 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:21:02am |
re: #648 CapeCoddah
Yes, in Massachusetts, assault on a person over 65 is an upgraded charge. We take elder abuse very seriously here.
So essentially there is a narrow profile of people whom one can assault with more impunity than the balance of the population...sigh
| 665 |
Soap_Man Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:21:12am |
re: #640 Guanxi88
Yeah, you don't ever want to have an MD start calling in colleagues to come take a look at you. "I say, Hopkins, have you ever seen such a thing?", etc...
Seinfeld: "You ever see these operating theaters, that they have, with like, stadium seating? You don't want them doing anything to you that makes other doctors go, "I have to see this!" "Are you kidding? Are they really gonna do that to him?" "Are there seats? Can we get in?" Do they scalp tickets to these things? "I got two for the Winslow tumor, I got two.."
| 666 |
Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:21:13am |
Terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba ‘planning paraglider attacks’ in India
Not new, though it will be presented as some new tactic.
| 667 |
Buck Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:21:30am |
re: #624 Bagua
After Climategate, Pachaurigate and Glaciergate: Amazongate
More mistakes and use of grey material violating procedures have been found in the IPCC AR4. This one is even more shocking because the grey material (non-peer reviewed publications) did not even support the alarmist conclusions. This time, the people being cited are activists and journalists, not even scientists.
That is a really good article. I also liked the link it lead to:
12 more glaciers that haven’t heard the news about global warming
Perched on the soaring Karakoram mountains in the Western Himalayas, a group of some 230 glaciers are bucking the global warming trend. They’re growing. Throughout much of the Tibetan Plateau, high-altitude glaciers are dwindling in the face of rising temperatures. The situation is potentially dire for the hundreds of millions of people living in China, India and throughout southeast Asia who depend on the glaciers for their water supply.
But in the rugged western corner of the plateau, the story is different, according to a new study. Among legendary peaks of Mt. Everest like K2 and Nanga Parbat, glaciers with a penthouse view of the world are growing, and have been for almost three decades.
“These are the biggest mid-latitude glaciers in the world,” John Shroder of the University of Nebraska-Omaha said. “And all of them are either holding still, or advancing.”
| 668 |
MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:21:44am |
re: #655 Gus 802
Sneak peak at the State of the Union?
Here we go again. Another generalization about "creating jobs." This is standard DNC playbook rhetoric.
We had a bit about the Drinking Game words above.
| 669 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:21:50am |
re: #651 Bagua
Is it an example of impure thoughts or forbidding writtings?
You missed your calling Obdicut, the Spanish Inquisition is in the distant past.
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!!
| 670 |
Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:22:25am |
The president himself, when that was brought up in one group, said, ‘Well, the big difference here and in ’94 was you’ve got me.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Indeed.
| 671 |
Kragar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:22:35am |
re: #666 Ben Hur
Terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba ‘planning paraglider attacks’ in India
Not new, though it will be presented as some new tactic.
I love when a reporter hears of something for the first time and thinks its new.
| 672 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:22:41am |
re: #662 ryannon
Take a good look at TripAdvisor and even Lonely Planet. You'll find all sorts of interesting places to stay...
stay in Arlington, or somewhere outside the Beltway for sure...rent a car
| 673 |
Liberal Classic Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:23:05am |
Thoughts on this fairly serious news item:
[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]
I have very mixed feelings about this. On one hand, inclusion of tribal authority is crucial for regional stability. In many areas tribal authorities are simply the only authorities, and popular support of a national Afghan government can only come from the grassroots. On the other, many of these tribes are sympathetic and supportive of jihads against infidels. Making peace with them simply gives jihad militias the opportunity to regroup and expand.
I am not going to castigate the Obama Administration for suggesting negotiation with tribal authorities. The Bush Adminstration did much the same thing with the Awakening movement. The Iraqis had (have) to take charge of their own security for things to improve, and the same goes for the Afghani.
Is this pragmatism or is it cut and run? Are we giving Afghanistan back to the talibs? So long as we're negotiation from a position of strength, I do not necessarily say rapproachment with tribal authorities is categorically the wrong thing to do. As I said though, I worry that any peace or truce will simply be used by jihadist militias as an opportunity to regroup and expand, and I don't believe tribal authorities have the capability (or more importantly) the will to prevent such activity in the areas they control.
| 674 |
MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:23:06am |
| 675 |
Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:23:16am |
| 676 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:23:20am |
Dr. Benway will see you now.....
And this is my colleague, Mr. Corleone.....
Sir, there's a Luca Brazzi asking for you at the front desk.
| 677 |
Gus Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:23:57am |
re: #645 RogueOne
[Link: www.politico.com...]
I'm not optimistic. The difference between '94 and '10 is a certain stubborn person sitting in the Oval Office. Plus they're going back into high campaign mode and will be focusing mainly on self-preservation and November 4th. Hence we're seeing Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod more frequently again and the return of David Plouffe. Their idea of fixing the economy amounts to another PR campaign and another round of slogans.
| 678 |
MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:24:21am |
re: #664 Aceofwhat?
So essentially there is a narrow profile of people whom one can assault with more impunity than the balance of the population...sigh
The elderly and the young typically are more vulnerable than those in between.
| 679 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:24:33am |
| 680 |
SteveC Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:24:36am |
re: #665 Soap_Man
Seinfeld: "You ever see these operating theaters, that they have, with like, stadium seating? You don't want them doing anything to you that makes other doctors go, "I have to see this!" "Are you kidding? Are they really gonna do that to him?" "Are there seats? Can we get in?" Do they scalp tickets to these things? "I got two for the Winslow tumor, I got two.."
Someone filmed the first Blalock-Taussig shunt (first Congenital Heart Operation, performed November 29, 1944). Know the right people at Johns Hopkins and ask nicely, you can view it.
Wish I knew the right people. :(
| 682 |
Gus Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:25:16am |
re: #668 MandyManners
We had a bit about the Drinking Game words above.
I imagine the beverage of choice for that drinking game would be Kool Aid.
| 683 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:25:40am |
re: #678 MandyManners
The elderly and the young typically are more vulnerable than those in between.
if you get the defecation beaten out of you, you were vulnerable, weren't you? seems to me that the one sorta implies the other...
| 684 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:25:41am |
re: #630 Obdicut
You're really comfortable quoting an article that leads with "AGW theory is toast"?
Do you endorse that position?
Charles wrote this:
And this is the only WWF claim that's been questioned. If you have something showing other mistaken claims, please post links.
Clearly an invitation to post additional mistaken claims in the IPCC AR4.
Is that not enough to satisfy the self appointed censor lizard?
| 685 |
Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:25:45am |
| 686 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:25:51am |
| 687 |
MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:26:12am |
re: #682 Gus 802
I imagine the beverage of choice for that drinking game would be Kool Aid.
Spiked with vodka.
| 688 |
MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:27:12am |
re: #683 Aceofwhat?
if you get the defecation beaten out of you, you were vulnerable, weren't you? seems to me that the one sorta implies the other...
Society has decided that the young and the elderly deserve more protection than those who are usually more able-bodied.
| 689 |
Buck Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:27:57am |
re: #630 Obdicut
You're really comfortable quoting an article that leads with "AGW theory is toast"?
Do you endorse that position?
Don't close your mind. Keep reading. There is meat attached to that bone. Sometimes a writer has to get your attention early.
| 690 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:27:58am |
re: #682 Gus 802
I imagine the beverage of choice for that drinking game would be Kool Aid.
rain water & grain alcohol for me please...
| 691 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:28:40am |
re: #651 Bagua
How is me asking you if you endorse a position in an article you quoted related to the Spanish inquisition, please?
| 692 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:29:13am |
| 693 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:29:42am |
re: #688 MandyManners
Society has decided that the young and the elderly deserve more protection than those who are usually more able-bodied.
One would hope that the judge or jury would look at such cases and exclaim, "This asshole beat the shit out of a senior/child/cripple!" and sentence accordingly.
Unfortunately, that isn't always the case.
| 694 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:29:42am |
re: #638 Aceofwhat?
Eh. Who cares. The real question is did the report really go off the rails with regard to the subject? The author can be a denier and still be correct on the merits in this specific instance.
The IPCC AR is not a holy book like the bible which is to be protected against heresy and sacrilege. Nor is it Mao's little red book. It is a public document, paid for by public funds, and is used to advise world leaders with a goal to transforming the economy. With over $1.3 trillion per year spent on 'climate' currently according to TERI, set to go to $2 trillion per year by 2020.
It is open to fact checking and critisism. Obviously the "beleivers" didn't do it themselves and resent having it done now by the sceptics.
| 695 |
Gus Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:29:43am |
| 696 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:29:55am |
re: #687 MandyManners
Spiked with vodka.
Try it the other way around - costs a bit more, but works a lot better.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:31:25am |
re: #694 Bagua
It's a very good thing to identify errors in the IPCC reports and fix them. Who are these 'believers' that you mention?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:31:30am |
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:31:53am |
re: #642 albusteve
nobody gives a crap about climate change...
[Link: people-press.org...]
And yet to the political elite, UN, NGOs, Tranzies, EU, et. al., it is the most important issue facing humanity today. Worthy of hundreds of billions of expense and endless meetings, conferences, and committees.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:32:27am |
re: #693 SixDegrees
One would hope that the judge or jury would look at such cases and exclaim, "This asshole beat the shit out of a senior/child/cripple!" and sentence accordingly.
Unfortunately, that isn't always the case.
Perhaps that's why we have addressed it in the penal code before it gets to sentencing.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:32:28am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:33:29am |
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:34:12am |
re: #699 Bagua
And yet to the political elite, UN, NGOs, Tranzies, EU, et. al., it is the most important issue facing humanity today. Worthy of hundreds of billions of expense and endless meetings, conferences, and committees.
Please don't drag sexual preference into this.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:34:32am |
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:34:51am |
re: #691 Obdicut
How is me asking you if you endorse a position in an article you quoted related to the Spanish inquisition, please?
The implication is obvious and you are a clever young man, figure it out for yourself Obdicut. If you are going to play self-appointed censor, expect some attention to that fact.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:35:15am |
re: #699 Bagua
And yet to the political elite, UN, NGOs, Tranzies, EU, et. al., it is the most important issue facing humanity today. Worthy of hundreds of billions of expense and endless meetings, conferences, and committees.
yup, probably the biggest money maker of all time...the Big Enchillada
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ryannon Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:35:39am |
re: #662 ryannon
Take a good look at TripAdvisor and even Lonely Planet. You'll find all sorts of interesting places to stay...
And the B&Bs, of course....
[Link: www.tripadvisor.com...]
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:36:42am |
re: #705 Bagua
The implication is obvious and you are a clever young man, figure it out for yourself Obdicut. If you are going to play self-appointed censor, expect some attention to that fact.
I'm sure he has no idea what you mean, and he certainly has never claimed to be censor.
/
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:37:32am |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:37:49am |
re: #707 ryannon
And the B&Bs, of course...
[Link: www.tripadvisor.com...]
I always stay at a cheap hotel in Falls Church...like $60 a night...I can't imagine trying to tour DC without a car
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:38:26am |
re: #705 Bagua
Your claim to martyrdom is a little funny, though. I'm asking you if you endorse a position that's in an article you quoted, and you accuse me of censorship. I'm not sure if you know this, but usually censorship involves shutting someone up, not asking them to speak more.
Unlike the Spanish Inquisition, I have no power-- and want no power-- to coerce you to say or do anything. I want you to explain what your position is, and given that you quoted an article, I was asking you if you endorsed the views presented in that article.
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tradewind Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:39:27am |
re: #625 Gus 802
Evidently, POTUS has initiated the face-plant maneuver.
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Gus Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:40:15am |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:40:31am |
re: #711 Obdicut
Your claim to martyrdom is a little funny, though. I'm asking you if you endorse a position that's in an article you quoted, and you accuse me of censorship. I'm not sure if you know this, but usually censorship involves shutting someone up, not asking them to speak more.
Unlike the Spanish Inquisition, I have no power-- and want no power-- to coerce you to say or do anything. I want you to explain what your position is, and given that you quoted an article, I was asking you if you endorsed the views presented in that article.
Do you really expect that this go-around in the seemingly endless cycle of forensic argumentation will accomplish anything more or other than what was accomplished the last time?
Let it go, alreadt.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:40:39am |
re: #710 albusteve
I always stay at a cheap hotel in Falls Church...like $60 a night...I can't imagine trying to tour DC without a car
check into a good place & tell em your with Exxon...
someone will arrange for your transportation.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:40:51am |
From a Paulian forum (about the NYT article).....
Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs has gone insane.
After years of "hate" on his website since 9/11, it appears he now "rejects" the "hate" of the "right wing"...LOL, I think we drove him insane.
Long piece, as New York Slimes pieces are wont to be, but worth the read.
The downfall of LGF is a happy thing
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:41:12am |
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Ben Hur Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:41:18am |
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:41:23am |
re: #697 Obdicut
It's a very good thing to identify errors in the IPCC reports and fix them. Who are these 'believers' that you mention?
They why are you suggesting I shouldn't feel comfortable posting an article uncovering those errors? This is a topic we were discussing yesterday and very important.
If you study science Obdicut, you will learn that one of the most important procedures is the testing of hypotheses and theories with the intention of falsification. Error checking and confirmation of sources and proper procedures, which is generally done in peer review once the author and editor has done the same, it a vital part of the falsification process.
RJ Patchauri has openly confirmed that allowing grey, un-reviewed sources to be quoted is a violation of IPCC procedures. He apologized for this and claimed it was highly unlikely if not impossible that more such examples would be found. I have cited links to several addition instances.
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tradewind Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:42:06am |
re: #706 albusteve
Probably not the biggest.... but I think the pun's wonderful.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:42:06am |
re: #716 Killgore Trout
Insane people calling others insane is priceless.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:42:06am |
re: #716 Killgore Trout
Downfall? If those visitor stats are a downfall...
ROFL
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:42:29am |
re: #716 Killgore Trout
Response....
Gone Insane?I thought that was an established fact.
I used to read them some, long ago, but Ron Paul cured my insanity
Heh
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Gus Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:42:30am |
re: #718 Ben Hur
Ed Koch: What I said about terrorism supporters and what Newsweek published
Ed Koch factchecks Newsweek?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:43:12am |
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:43:51am |
re: #714 Guanxi88
How is it forensic argumentation to ask someone if he believes the claims made in an article that he posted?
re: #719 Bagua
I didn't ask you if you felt comfortable posting an article uncovering those errors; I asked you if you felt comfortable posting an article that led with the line "AGW theory is toast", and asked you if you agreed with that particular statement.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:43:58am |
re: #721 thedopefishlives
I strongly suspect the article was posted by a Paulian troll (Young Libertarian) who's been trying to sneak in around here lately.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:44:16am |
re: #714 Guanxi88
Do you really expect that this go-around in the seemingly endless cycle of forensic argumentation will accomplish anything more or other than what was accomplished the last time?
Let it go, alreadt.
Thank you. I make a habit now of ignoring these endless "Perry Mason" style questions that are really only intended to heckle and wear down the 'opponent.' I'm here to share ideas and engage in honest debate, not argue for the sake of argument.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:44:25am |
re: #715 brookly red
check into a good place & tell em your with Exxon...
someone will arrange for your transportation.
I never do a budget thing...can't help it...stuff costs what it costs and I like doing all kinds of stuff, crossing all the bridges, driving around the Pentagon, going to the mall at night, embassy row...I could care less about lodging
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:44:38am |
re: #727 Killgore Trout
That dude is creepy in how often he tries to get in here.
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Gus Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:45:30am |
re: #730 Obdicut
That dude is creepy in how often he tries to get in here.
Plus he changes personalities, age, etc.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:47:22am |
re: #727 Killgore Trout
I strongly suspect the article was posted by a Paulian troll (Young Libertarian) who's been trying to sneak in around here lately.
Like trying to sneak into a nightclub with a cheap fake beard. We know who you are, you can't fool us.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:47:28am |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:47:33am |
re: #726 Obdicut
How is it forensic argumentation to ask someone if he believes the claims made in an article that he posted?
All right - do you suppose that Bagua - whose position on the matter is more or less known to any and all who've been here for more than about an hour - would cite an article espousing the position he appears to advocate on the issue in order to present it as evidence against for anything other than the position he supports? What is the point of asking if he endorses or supports an article, unless there is some doubt on your part as to whether he does or does not advocate the position presented?
It is a classical tactic of forensic and dialectical argumentation to compel one's interlocutor to endorse as an authority a source deemed to be unreliable.
Now, the naive young Socrates routine may play well some places, but it's damned tiresome here.
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skwiself Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:48:13am |
You're really comfortable quoting an article that leads with "AGW theory is toast"?
Look out, the Approved Opinions Squad (TM) has arrived. Yes, Obdicut, AGW theory is toast. Scientific merits or lack thereof aside, AGW theory is politically dead. India and China just announced they won't sign Copenhagen, cap and trade is dead here in America, AGW theory, barring some nifty necromancy (always possible in politics), is "toast" indeed.
Thank you. I make a habit now of ignoring these endless "Perry Mason" style questions that are really only intended to heckle and wear down the 'opponent.' I'm here to share ideas and engage in honest debate, not argue for the sake of argument.
For some reason, people just don't like it when someone else asks them questions in a confrontational, accusatory manner! Someone get a copy of that memo to Obdicut, he apparently misplaced his.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:48:17am |
"What's hummus?"
"It's a very tasty "diarrhea" like substance."
-Don't Mess with the Zohan
Terrible movie... but, I've laughed a few times.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:49:00am |
re: #719 Bagua
I didn't ask you if you felt comfortable posting an article uncovering those errors; I asked you if you felt comfortable posting an article that led with the line "AGW theory is toast", and asked you if you agreed with that particular statement.
Yes, I feel very comfortable as I cited above, Charles specifically requested links to articles showing additional errors in the IPCC AR4.
As to "AGW theory being toast" that is the authors analogy, not mine. I certainly believe the IPCC AR4 is now thoroughly discredited, as I have stated before.
There are no impure or forbidden thoughts or opinions in science, there are in religion however.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:50:45am |
Ron Paul and Glenn Beck talk CIA / Foreign Policy 01/25/2010
At 3:00 they discuss Ron Paul's theory that the CIA has taken over in a secret coup. Ron Paul claims the Federal Reserve is directly funding the CIA takeover of our foreign policy.
Part 2 here: 2 of 2: Ron Paul and Glenn Beck talk CIA / Foreign Policy 01/25/2010
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:51:20am |
re: #735 Guanxi88
All right - do you suppose that Bagua - whose position on the matter is more or less known to any and all who've been here for more than about an hour - would cite an article espousing the position he appears to advocate on the issue in order to present it as evidence against for anything other than the position he supports?
I cannot for the life of me figure out what you're saying here. Are you saying that Bagua cited that article because he does believe that the theory of AGW is toast?
What is the point of asking if he endorses or supports an article, unless there is some doubt on your part as to whether he does or does not advocate the position presented?
Well, if he does endorse the view that the theory of AGW is toast, it's news to me, and if he doesn't, then I'm wondering why he'd post an article that supports a view he is against.
Now, the naive young Socrates routine may play well some places, but it's damned tiresome here.
Do you feel any sense of irony in telling me what is or is not tiresome here while at the same time accusing me of trying to be a censor?
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:51:52am |
feds getting into the already fucked up CA water situation...what a mess...so the feds will control food production?....chew in that
[Link: biggovernment.com...]
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garhighway Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:52:19am |
re: #700 MandyManners
A thought experiment: assume that the midpoint predictions regarding Global Warming are accurate. How much attention from our public officials SHOULD the issue get? (Further assuming that our public officials are acting as we would want them to: working for the best long-term interests of their constituents.)
A subsidiary experiment: assume that the midpoint predictions are considered scientifically likely, but not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Further assume that meaningful, positive change is a lot cheaper to accomplish if commenced sooner rather than later. Again, how would you expect hypothetically wise officials to use and act on that information?
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:52:27am |
re: #738 Bagua
pimf: First para was a quote from the prosecuting attorney Obdicut
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andydp Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:52:44am |
Thank you all for your commentary. If I offended someone please accept my sincere apologies. Just to make one comment: the statements I had at the bottom were from the NY Daily News site.
That said, I've had life experiences that rival others out there. My mother was verbally abused by my dad for over 30 years. My SIL was an unwed mother at about 18 but she did not marry the father for three years. Their marriage has lasted over 25 years now. I've been unemployed at one point for over 5 years, and had to pay for our own health care. I got unjustly fired by a boss that can only be described as "Attila the Hen". I do have empathy towards these life situations.
My "annoyance" is more towards Gov Palin for letting her 19(?) YO daughter get into these public arenas where she is open for criticism, and not all of it constructive.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:53:08am |
re: #738 Bagua
There arenoimpure or forbidden thoughts or opinions in science,
I beg to differ; that sounds like a paraphrase of the principles of the scientific process.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:53:27am |
re: #735 Guanxi88
All right - do you suppose that Bagua - whose position on the matter is more or less known to any and all who've been here for more than about an hour - would cite an article espousing the position he appears to advocate on the issue in order to present it as evidence against for anything other than the position he supports? What is the point of asking if he endorses or supports an article, unless there is some doubt on your part as to whether he does or does not advocate the position presented?
It is a classical tactic of forensic and dialectical argumentation to compel one's interlocutor to endorse as an authority a source deemed to be unreliable.
Now, the naive young Socrates routine may play well some places, but it's damned tiresome here.
agreed
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:53:38am |
re: #736 skwiself
Yes, Obdicut, AGW theory is toast. Scientific merits or lack thereof aside, AGW theory is politically dead.
That doesn't make any sense. AGW is a sicentific theory; it's scientific merits are the only criteria by which the theory is alive or dead.
re: #738 Bagua
Do you agree with the author that the theory of AGW is toast, or not? I'm not sure why a yes/no question is, in your mind, the renewal of the Spanish inquisition.
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Buck Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:54:39am |
re: #740 Obdicut
Do you feel any sense of irony in telling me what is or is not tiresome here while at the same time accusing me of trying to be a censor?
OK, he does not believe AGW is toast. He knows the truth. Toast is heated and browned bread.
Next!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:55:00am |
re: #743 garhighway
Ummm...you've replied to the wrong Lizard. Please review my No. 700.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:57:28am |
re: #740 Obdicut
Do you feel any sense of irony in telling me what is or is not tiresome here while at the same time accusing me of trying to be a censor?
Platonic irony, perhaps, but not Socratic.
Besides, I'm just arguing on matters of taste and style.
"I cannot for the life of me figure out what you're saying here. Are you saying that Bagua cited that article because he does believe that the theory of AGW is toast?"
Well, there seemed to be some doubt in your mind on his stance on the matter, and, frankly, I find that either genuinely surprising, or just a cheap and easy dialectical tactic. I've formed an opinion of your intelligence (and it's favorable), so I've got to conclude it's a tactic.
C'mon - do you really expect us to believe that in your time here you've formed no opinion or judgment regarding Bagua's stance on the issue?
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:58:21am |
re: #740 Obdicut
You should pay attention to what Guanxi88 has just explained to you Obdicut. It is my frequent complaint. It is the use of weasel-words, standard court room behaviour. Not at all helpful for honest debate.
You are capable of much better as you write well the rest of the time. But when you do this heckling through questions routine, suddenly you play naivety, like you don't understand the poster or even the meaning of words and phrases in common usage.
That and what you've done here, attack ideas as heresy.
| 754 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:00:03am |
re: #746 Naso Tang
I beg to differ; that sounds like a paraphrase of the principles of the scientific process.
Yes, I am paraphrasing and that is a bit awkward, perhaps you could help?
| 755 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:01:19am |
“With the recovery package, we not only created jobs – about 2 million saved or created with more being rolled out – but pulled us back from the brink of even deeper recession. In his [President Obama’s] budget, which we passed one hundred days after his swearing-in, he had a blueprint for how we go into the future, create jobs, stabilize the economy [and] do so as we reduce the deficit – [it’s] very central to everything we do – reduce the deficit.
speaker Pelosi spewing the kool aid...
[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:02:01am |
re: #738 Bagua
I didn't ask you if you felt comfortable posting an article uncovering those errors; I asked you if you felt comfortable posting an article that led with the line "AGW theory is toast", and asked you if you agreed with that particular statement.
Yes, I feel very comfortable as I cited above, Charles specifically requested links to articles showing additional errors in the IPCC AR4.
As to "AGW theory being toast" that is the authors analogy, not mine. I certainly believe the IPCC AR4 is now thoroughly discredited, as I have stated before.
There are no impure or forbidden thoughts or opinions in science, there are in religion however.
Oh how I wish I had more than one upding to give!
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:02:38am |
re: #752 Guanxi88
C'mon - do you really expect us to believe that in your time here you've formed no opinion or judgment regarding Bagua's stance on the issue?
I don't play at being interwebs psychologist, unlike others. Bagua has made statements that are all over the map, and I've been unable to figure out any coherent position he holds on the issue.
re: #753 Bagua
Can you please show where I've attacked an idea as heresy?
You are making all kinds of claims to martyrdom and persecution and censorship, based on me asking you a yes/no question that came about because of the very first line in an article that you posted. I'm asking a question on the internet. You could just go ahead and answer the question.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:02:49am |
re: #755 albusteve
“With the recovery package, we not only created jobs – about 2 million saved or created with more being rolled out – but pulled us back from the brink of even deeper recession. In his [President Obama’s] budget, which we passed one hundred days after his swearing-in, he had a blueprint for how we go into the future, create jobs, stabilize the economy [and] do so as we reduce the deficit – [it’s] very central to everything we do – reduce the deficit.
speaker Pelosi spewing the kool aid...
[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]
people aren't buying it...
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:03:07am |
re: #736 skwiself
This person is a sock puppet for the banned user "ChaosBF". I was letting him/her have another chance, but not after this comment. Another sock vanishes in the dryer.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:04:13am |
re: #756 rwdflynavy
Oh how I wish I had more than one upding to give!
"so are you advocating cheating and fraud?"
(how's my imitation?)
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DaddyG Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:04:20am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:04:36am |
re: #759 Charles
This person is a sock puppet for the banned user "ChaosBF". I was letting him/her have another chance, but not after this comment. Another sock vanishes in the dryer.
That was very generous of you, Charles. Although I doubt he will see it that way.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:04:52am |
re: #754 Bagua
Yes, I am paraphrasing and that is a bit awkward, perhaps you could help?
Actually I was a bit quick on the draw there. Either form of the sentence can be correct depending on whether one is speaking as a scientist (your form) or as someone who thinks all scientists have to be perfect for the process to be right.
There seem to be many who think they have an argument against the science if they can find a scientist that was wrong.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:05:46am |
re: #760 albusteve
"so are you advocating cheating and fraud?"
(how's my imitation?)
This was my favorite line:
There are no impure or forbidden thoughts or opinions in science, there are in religion however.
| 765 |
RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:06:02am |
If taking pictures is now a valid reason for authorities to harass people then the terrorists have already won.
Federal officers twice fail at intimidating photographer (videos)
On two separate occasions, a man was taking photos outside a federal building in Tampa when he was harassed by a federal officer who demanded to know the purpose of his photos.Fortunately, Joel Chandler knew his rights and refused to allow himself to be intimidated by the officers.
.....
Here are some excerpts from the conversation:Chandler: “It’s still a free country, I can still walk down a public sidewalk.”
Bird: “It’s not totally free but it’s free enough …. We lost a lot of our freedoms due to terrorism.”
The officer then notices the Flip camera strapped to Chandler’s body.
Bird: Is that on?
Chandler: Does it matter?
Bird: It does to me.
Whole story w/Video:
[Link: carlosmiller.com...]
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:06:21am |
re: #758 brookly red
people aren't buying it...
it's word for word blather that is months old...like a broken record...they have nothing and they know it, but continuously spew this stuff is really an insult to tax paying voters...I don't take it lightly
| 767 |
lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:07:07am |
re: #758 brookly red
Not even those in the Administration; Gibbs said 1.5 million jobs; Jarrett even less than that. Axelrod threw out the 2 million jobs, and not a single one of them was convincing in making anyone believe that the bogus metric of jobs saved or created means anything other than a fancy way of avoiding the fact that unemployment rates are above 10% (and that the only way they're staying at 10% is by decreasing the size of the workforce to compensate for additional job losses). There isn't job growth, and throwing more money at jobs that were safe jobs isn't stimulus. It's a waste of a trillion dollars.
But the one thing we have to keep in mind with the stimulus/porkfest is that it's turned out to be a 1-year gap filler for state budgets across the country. It meant that states could avoid the tough decisions for at least one year. The piper is to be paid this year - and the list of states with multibillion dollar deficits continues to grow (and the deficits themselves are huge). Without additional federal funds (which aren't coming), those states are finally going to have to make massive cuts, and it's going to be painful to watch, especially for those who said - I told you so (like I have been saying).
| 768 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:07:56am |
re: #766 albusteve
it's word for word blather that is months old...like a broken record...they have nothing and they know it, but continuously spew this stuff is really an insult to tax paying voters...I don't take it lightly
Lol, just politics as usual.
| 769 |
Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:08:27am |
re: #759 Charles
This person is a sock puppet for the banned user "ChaosBF". I was letting him/her have another chance, but not after this comment. Another sock vanishes in the dryer.
Well, he did say "politically dead", which may be true if one wants to consider the stance of the Chinese and a few others, but that is nothing new. When did the Chinese ever do anything anywhere that wasn't totally in their immediate self interest?
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:08:28am |
re: #763 Naso Tang
Actually I was a bit quick on the draw there. Either form of the sentence can be correct depending on whether one is speaking as a scientist (your form) or as someone who thinks all scientists have to be perfect for the process to be right.
There seem to be many who think they have an argument against the science if they can find a scientist that was wrong.
Thank you for the clarification, I understand your point now. My use was intended from the scientist's point of view regarding hypotheses and theories.
| 771 |
Ericus58 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:09:33am |
The Astounding World of the Future!
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DaddyG Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:09:47am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:09:51am |
re: #769 Naso Tang
Well, he did say "politically dead", which may be true if one wants to consider the stance of the Chinese and a few others, but that is nothing new. When did the Chinese ever do anything anywhere that wasn't totally in their immediate self interest?
When it wasn't immediately obvious that it was totally in their immediate self interest!
//
| 774 |
tradewind Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:10:29am |
re: #753 Bagua
Posting one's opinion in the form of a rhetorical question is rarely helpful to a dialogue, and LGF is living proof.
| 775 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:10:39am |
re: #767 lawhawk
But the one thing we have to keep in mind with the stimulus/porkfest is that it's turned out to be a 1-year gap filler for state budgets across the country. It meant that states could avoid the tough decisions for at least one year. The piper is to be paid this year - and the list of states with multibillion dollar deficits continues to grow (and the deficits themselves are huge). Without additional federal funds (which aren't coming), those states are finally going to have to make massive cuts, and it's going to be painful to watch, especially for those who said - I told you so (like I have been saying).
Remember that only a small portion of stimulus money has already been spent. It will be another year or two before governments around the world start to cut back spending on economic stimulus.
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avanti Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:12:28am |
Some good news from GM this morning. Ed Whitacre, the new CEO of GM promised to pay back the US's and Canadian loans by the end of June do to better than expected profits.
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DaddyG Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:13:11am |
re: #767 lawhawk
But the one thing we have to keep in mind with the stimulus/porkfest is that it's turned out to be a 1-year gap filler for state budgets across the country. It meant that states could avoid the tough decisions for at least one year. The piper is to be paid this year - and the list of states with multibillion dollar deficits continues to grow (and the deficits themselves are huge). Without additional federal funds (which aren't coming), those states are finally going to have to make massive cuts, and it's going to be painful to watch, especially for those who said - I told you so (like I have been saying).
As an added bonus the feds are also shifting a lot of the responsibility for entitlement programs onto the states.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:13:11am |
re: #773 rwdflynavy
When it wasn't immediately obvious that it was totally in their immediate self interest!
//
The Chinese are eerily capable of doing things in their long-term self-interest, something we short-term bottom-liners here in the West have never really mastered.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:13:20am |
re: #767 lawhawk
people may be confused about a lot of things but pretty much everybody can tell if they have a job or not. the mid-terms are going to be baaad for incumbents.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:15:11am |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:16:03am |
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:16:11am |
re: #775 Killgore Trout
I'm talking states, not countries. States are required to be in fiscal balance at the end of the fiscal year. They can't print money. That means that they have to either get more money from the feds (which isn't happening) or they've got to cut spending hard. Operating budgets are being hammered; not merely the capital projects like those proposed in the stimulus to improve infrastructure.
That means that the bloated budgets in places like NY, where they imposed a bunch of new taxes and still raised spending even more, are finding huge shortfalls that aren't being made up (and are still proposing still more taxes to raise the state budget even more). It's unsustainable, and the stimulus isn't going to help these states meet their budgetary requirements. That means more money will be needed from somewhere - or they're going to have to impose significant cuts.
And if Obama decides to take on Wall Street as the root of all evil, he'd only be taking on one of the world's largest economies in the process - the NYC metro region would rank as the 12th largest in the world if it were an independent nation ahead of places like India, Mexico, or Australia. Whack the Wall Street types, and the economy will slump here, and those already imperiled state budgets will get whacked (heck, the reason they're in so much trouble is the lack of tax revenues from Wall Street firms).
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:16:41am |
And for the record with my reservations noted, I will answer Obdicuts question.
No I do not believe the theory of AGW is "toast", nor have I said as much previously.
What I do believe is at least in the toaster, is the alarmism and hype that has been built up around the AGW theory by politicians, NGO's. MSM, and activists.
I also believe the IPCC AR4 is now definitely toast, this does nothing to harm the AGW theory because the AR4 is a report and has a strong political involvement. It is meant to advise governments, and is now found to contain errors which question its validity.
This is a change from my previous position which supported the value and accuracy of the IPCC AR4. My new position is that it should be withdrawn in its entirety and work should commence on the AR5 after a new chairman is appointed and the procedures have been examined and improved.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:17:22am |
re: #738 Bagua
As to "AGW theory being toast" that is the authors analogy, not mine. I certainly believe the IPCC AR4 is now thoroughly discredited, as I have stated before.
That's completely absurd. Once again, you're going way overboard because of your own ideological biases.
There are three thousand pages in Assessment Report 4. One paragraph has been shown to be in error. The idea that this discredits the vast amount of research and evidence that is not in question is just ludicrous. Get a grip.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:18:10am |
re: #743 garhighway
Since you said officials and not "statesmen with principles" I expect that they will see who is currently contributing to their re-election funds, what their national party organization is backing, what the publicity polls and focus groups say is the correct group-think, and then spout whatever talking points fit the resulting game plan.
After all, when the glaciers melt and the homeless masses come invading over the borders they will no longer be in office. //
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DaddyG Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:19:50am |
re: #774 tradewind
Posting one's opinion in the form of a rhetorical question is rarely helpful to a dialogue, and LGF is living proof.
So you think posting your opinion in the form of a rhetorical question is rarely helpful to the dialogue?/
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:21:42am |
re: #785 Charles
That's completely absurd. Once again, you're going way overboard because of your own ideological biases.
There are three thousand pages in Assessment Report 4. One paragraph has been shown to be in error. The idea that this discredits the vast amount of research and evidence that is not in question is just ludicrous. Get a grip.
Charles,
The article I posted shows additional errors. Also, I posted some more errors found after your request on the thread this was discussed. It is a developing story. Thus we are certainly talking about one paragraph and one error.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:22:54am |
recovery denial...it's the new pink for the left
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:23:04am |
re: #783 lawhawk
That's why there may be need for continued stimulus spending....
Conference of Mayors Stresses Need for New Round of Stimulus Money
More than 230 mayors are in Washington for the winter meeting of the United States Conference of Mayors, and many said they had been forced to impose layoffs, furloughs, service reductions and fee increases to deal with falling municipal revenue. The next fiscal year looks even worse, they said.
“We are in the middle of a ‘jobs emergency’ that demands decisive and swift action,” said Elizabeth Kautz, the mayor of Burnsville, Minn., and president of the conference. “We need the Senate to pass a Main Street jobs package now.”
Local economies all around the world haven't recovered sufficiently to start rolling back stimulus measures....
IMF’s Strauss-Kahn Warns Against Early Stimulus Exit
I know economic stimulus isn't very popular but it is an economic reality. It is unfortunately necessary.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:24:52am |
re: #788 Bagua
Here about the financial gain from the false statements
There are more that I'll have to dig up and post later.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:25:18am |
re: #790 Killgore Trout
That's why there may be need for continued stimulus spending...
Conference of Mayors Stresses Need for New Round of Stimulus MoneyLocal economies all around the world haven't recovered sufficiently to start rolling back stimulus measures...
IMF’s Strauss-Kahn Warns Against Early Stimulus ExitI know economic stimulus isn't very popular but it is an economic reality. It is unfortunately necessary.
there is no money...there is no money to spend on states or anything else...there is only oppressive taxation....the feds are desperately broke, as in they have no money
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:26:09am |
The AGW research is multi-legged--ice cores, weather balloons, temperature stations, satellite readings, tree rings, geo-chemistry, etc. I don't understand much of it myself, but I respect the power of aggregate knowledge. So many people researching so many different things and coming up with the same conclusions, is not to be sneezed off. Errors? Inevitably, here and there. Professional politicking? Happens in every scientific field, sometimes even to the detriment of the whole field, for a while. Fraud? No, not on this scale. Conspiracies don't work this way.
This is not to say that the media meme of "global warming" does not have a life separate from the actual science. I was on local TV a couple of years ago when a century oak fell on my house. The reporterette tried to get me to say that the tree got fungus and fell because of global warming. I declined to speculate along those lines, of course.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:26:31am |
re: #792 albusteve
That's why pretty much every government around the world is running a deficit.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:27:46am |
The other point is the centrality of the "one paragraph".
It's impact was huge on India and parts of Asia, it was hotly disputed, held up by the IPCC with opponents dismissed as "Voodoo scientists" and used to gain millions of dollars of grants for Pachauri's company.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:28:46am |
re: #795 Bagua
Do you care to, today, actually make the connection between that claim and the grants?
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:29:50am |
re: #794 Killgore Trout
That's why pretty much every government around the world is running a deficit.
then spending must be cut...it has to be...a huge portion of CA debt is unfunded union pension funds...and the unions are govt employees...go figure....billions more is spent on illegal immigrants...it's not rocket science
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:32:01am |
Iceweasel still around? Welch from Reason must have been spying on our conversation this weekend.
[Link: reason.com...]
Glenn Greenwald: "unconstitutional actions...can't be justified because of the allegedly good results they produce"I was all set to write a blog post drawing similarities to the liberal ends-justify-the-means laments for Citizens United v. FEC and the conservative ends-justify-the-means laments of various judicial checks on executive-branch power to detain whoever the hell indefinitely, but then Salon's Glenn Greenwald beat me to it.
Here is the Greenwald piece:
[Link: www.salon.com...]
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DaddyG Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:32:04am |
re: #794 Killgore Trout
That's why pretty much every government around the world is running a deficit.
Not my state. I've got the furlough days and budget cuts to prove it.
Sooner or later our leaders will need to start sacrificing their own sacred cows.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:32:56am |
CA insane water diversion projects have killed half the ag biz in the centtral and south...jobs lost, revenue lost, taxes lost...for a fucking minnow that's vanishing despite the water diversion....those people are crazy...thet did it to themselves, a man made crisis...why isn't CA drilling for oil and making money doing it?
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Pete(Detroit) Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:33:58am |
re: #446 thedopefishlives
well-trained and well-adjusted employees are expensive and require large amounts of time to maximize their potential.
To me, a big part of the change was when "Personnel" was renamed to "Human Resources" and employees went from being people to being "resource units"..
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garhighway Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:34:07am |
re: #786 oaktree
OK: assume "statesmen with principles".
I a interesting in hearing people's thoughts on what ought to happen. I don't care whether it is politically advantageous or ideologically handy for this group or that group. What should happen next? We know what we know. The pace of further science will not be terribly fast: this kind of science isn't. At some point our leaders will have to translate the current state of knowledge into public policy. What do we think they should do?
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:35:19am |
re: #790 Killgore Trout
They're looking for handouts from the feds, using money that no one has, to fund job creation that could take place at less cost if left to the private sector if there was certainty about the jobs situation.
The Conference on Mayors tries to use its collective efforts to get more funding, it's what they do. That's not surprising.
What would be surprising is if they decided to curb their spending on programs that don't work and apply those funds to job creation. What would be surprising is if they decided to full fund pension obligations and rein in benefits for new employees to match those in the private sector, rather than giving far more than those seen in the private sector (and where we're seeing that the government sector is now paying better than the private sector, especially on benefits). It's unsupportable, and not just in the short term.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:35:49am |
re: #801 Pete(Detroit)
To me, a big part of the change was when "Personnel" was renamed to "Human Resources" and employees went from being people to being "resource units"..
DING!
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:38:26am |
re: #803 lawhawk
Not all states, Indiana and Texas decided against taking all the stimulus money when it was offered. Luckily, Indiana stayed away from using the fed money as a one year band-aid on our budget and decided to make cuts instead.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:38:35am |
re: #788 Bagua
Charles,
The article I posted shows additional errors.
No, it doesn't -- it shows sources that may or may not be questionable. No more "errors" have been identified yet.
And you continue to ignore the fact that there are 3000 pages of research and evidence in AR4. Claiming that all this evidence should now be tossed out is beyond silly.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:41:06am |
re: #795 Bagua
The other point is the centrality of the "one paragraph".
It's impact was huge on India and parts of Asia, it was hotly disputed, held up by the IPCC with opponents dismissed as "Voodoo scientists" and used to gain millions of dollars of grants for Pachauri's company.
The simple fact is that whether the 2035 prediction is accurate or not, the Himalayan glaciers are still receding rapidly, and global warming is responsible for it. The threat is real, and one mistaken prediction doesn't change that.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:42:45am |
re: #805 RogueOne
Not all states, Indiana and Texas decided against taking all the stimulus money when it was offered. Luckily, Indiana stayed away from using the fed money as a one year band-aid on our budget and decided to make cuts instead.
Interactive Map: The Nationwide Allocation of Recovery Funding
Don't confuse the rhetoric and soundbites for reality. They all accepted stimulus money. Texas was the largest recipient of stimulus money despite all the BS about leaving the Union. Indiana was also one of the largest recipients.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:42:55am |
re: #802 garhighway
I have no idea. The US government has never operated with a large number of principled persons in office.
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garhighway Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:43:23am |
re: #795 Bagua
The other point is the centrality of the "one paragraph".
It's impact was huge on India and parts of Asia, it was hotly disputed, held up by the IPCC with opponents dismissed as "Voodoo scientists" and used to gain millions of dollars of grants for Pachauri's company.
So did India actually DO SOMETHING in response to the paragraph? I would assume that if "the impact was huge" then some actual discrete actions were taken that you or others think need to be unwound.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:44:12am |
re: #808 Killgore Trout
Interactive Map: The Nationwide Allocation of Recovery Funding
Don't confuse the rhetoric and soundbites for reality. They all accepted stimulus money. Texas was the largest recipient of stimulus money despite all the BS about leaving the Union. Indiana was also one of the largest recipients.
Also note how much of the Stimulus money is set aside for balancing budgets and tax cuts.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:45:56am |
re: #808 Killgore Trout
Interactive Map: The Nationwide Allocation of Recovery Funding
Don't confuse the rhetoric and soundbites for reality. They all accepted stimulus money. Texas was the largest recipient of stimulus money despite all the BS about leaving the Union. Indiana was also one of the largest recipients.
it's been a year and very little federal money has trickled into NM...I've read that is a redundant, administrative nightmare to access the money and counties have actually had to hire workers they can't afford to deal with that alone
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DaddyG Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:46:15am |
re: #808 Killgore Trout
Interactive Map: The Nationwide Allocation of Recovery Funding
Don't confuse the rhetoric and soundbites for reality. They all accepted stimulus money. Texas was the largest recipient of stimulus money despite all the BS about leaving the Union. Indiana was also one of the largest recipients.
A sizable portion of that money was unemployment and Medicaid. That is why (surprise surprise) the bulk of the monies went to states with larger populations.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:46:59am |
re: #813 DaddyG
A sizable portion of that money was unemployment and Medicaid. That is why (surprise surprise) the bulk of the monies went to states with larger populations.
and democratic voters!
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garhighway Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:47:27am |
.re: #809 oaktree
I have no idea. The US government has never operated with a large number of principled persons in office.
Hence the term "thought experiment"
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:48:13am |
re: #811 Killgore Trout
Also note how much of the Stimulus money is set aside for balancing budgets and tax cuts.
That's precisely the problem I'm identifying. The states got a 1-shot to keep spending at their existing rates. They're now facing massive deficits with no additional help coming from the feds because they're tapped out. The stimulus funds aren't there for fy 2010-11, fy 2011-12, or fy 2012-13 to balance budgets (only for additional spending on programs that met the infrastructure criteria as shovel ready). The money has to come from somewhere.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:48:39am |
re: #802 garhighway
My second guess is that a piece of principled legislation would come out, irritate voters for various irrational reasons, or because it caused short-term hardship. At this point a lot of unprincipled demagogues would run, beat the incumbents and re-introduce the do-nothing status quo.
I personally don't believe that at a meta- level world, nation, state, and often local politics follow any sort of rationality. It's bands of screaming monkeys flinging poo at each other as they fight for priority in the tribe, or for access to the waterhole and banana trees. And which band of monkeys is currently "in charge" doesn't make that much difference, it's still a band of screaming monkey. (I guess the follow up question is that if you had enough of them, and enough typewriters, could they eventually come up with a workable health reform bill?)
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:52:46am |
re: #808 Killgore Trout
Interactive Map: The Nationwide Allocation of Recovery Funding
Don't confuse the rhetoric and soundbites for reality. They all accepted stimulus money. Texas was the largest recipient of stimulus money despite all the BS about leaving the Union. Indiana was also one of the largest recipients.
Careful reading would have prevented that post. What i said was Indiana didn't accept "all" the stimulus money offered. Indiana passed on the money tied to unemployment insurance and medicaid. You'll also notice on that map that the money Indiana took is tied to tax-cuts.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
A few governors, such as Mitch Daniels of Indiana and Rick Perry of Texas, had the foresight to turn down their share of the $7 billion for unemployment insurance, realizing that once the federal funds run out, benefits would be unpayable. "One of the smartest decisions we made," says Mr. Daniels. Many governors now probably wish they had done the same.
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:54:51am |
re: #819 RogueOne
Yes, some of the federal stimulus programs were little more than unfunded mandates once the federal money ran out and the obligations exceeded the programmed amounts.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:55:38am |
Mitch Daniels for President! Not only did he do the smart thing but he also kept his mouth shut, unlike Mr. Perry. Instead of getting himself in front of TV cameras on a daily basis bashing the president and the process, he quietly did what he felt he needed to do for this state. That's a good man!
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 25, 2010 11:00:38am |
re: #820 lawhawk
This story:
[Link: www.indy.com...]
..is from last september but according to the authors there were 5 states at that point that had not taken the unemployment money. IN, TX, PA, FL, and MO. Have no idea where they stand now.
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garhighway Mon, Jan 25, 2010 11:23:50am |
re: #818 oaktree
And therefore attempting to do anything about AGW (or any other major problem) is a waste of time?
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 11:29:39am |
re: #796 Obdicut
Do you care to, today, actually make the connection between that claim and the grants?
I made a clear connection, and repeated it several times on that thread. Your technique is to keep insisting I didn't, another objectionable tactic worth of a gaze.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Here you will find a Major News Paper repeated the same claim
If you read the PDF presentation I posted, you will find that the slide with the false IPCC claim was not only central, it was the ONLY claim in the entire presentation supporting the need for action. All the rest was a list of participants and what they hoped to accomplish.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 11:37:02am |
re: #806 Charles
No, it doesn't -- it shows sources that may or may not be questionable. No more "errors" have been identified yet.
And you continue to ignore the fact that there are 3000 pages of research and evidence in AR4. Claiming that all this evidence should now be tossed out is beyond silly.
We can call them "possible" errors at this point. Regardless, it is clear now that sources such as the WWF have been cited numerous times, not only once. Also, the lead author has admitted he knowingly used poor data just to pimp the cause. He thought it would have more impact.
Other problems with the AR4 that are even more damming are not welcome to be discussed here as they relate to the CRU. Out of respect to your wishes I avoid that subject. But it is public knowledge that the MET Office has announced that they will be reviewing the temperature work they produced which is one of the primary ones used in the IPCC AR4.
Also, you say I am "claiming all this evidence should now be tossed out" I am not. The IPCC AR4 is not evidence, it is a report made to advise politicians. No actual scientific papers or data would be tossed out. No research lost, and the next IPCC AR5 would be far more authoritative if they admitted their mistakes with this one without all the wagon circling and denial.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 12:01:30pm |
re: #824 Bagua
You have in no way connected that presentation with the grant. You are simply saying the presentation was given, and days later, the grant was awarded. That does not mean the grant was awarded on the basis of that presentation.
You have shown correlation, but no causation.
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Pete(Detroit) Mon, Jan 25, 2010 12:05:56pm |
re: #743 garhighway
A thought experiment: assume that the midpoint predictions regarding Global Warming are accurate. How much attention from our public officials SHOULD the issue get? (Further assuming that our public officials are acting as we would want them to: working for the best long-term interests of their constituents.)
A subsidiary experiment: assume that the midpoint predictions are considered scientifically likely, but not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Further assume that meaningful, positive change is a lot cheaper to accomplish if commenced sooner rather than later. Again, how would you expect hypothetically wise officials to use and act on that information?
Assuming that global warming *is* occurring (and I will admit to seeing support for that) why do you assume that it has anything to do w/ US?
Does the total CO2 output of the human race even begin to compare to 'natural' sources - volcanoes, forest fires, termites?
Not to mention the outgassing of CO2 from the oceans AS they warm?
Now, don't get me wrong, I LIKE the idea of more energy less combustion, but until we start building more nukes / geothermal generators, we're going to be burning stuff for quite a while. Solar and wind are lovely, in their way, but not something you can count on to run critical systems.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 1:04:09pm |
re: #827 Pete(Detroit)
Dude, for once, go read a source on the subject. [Link: www.skepticalscience.com...] would answer every question you posed.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 25, 2010 1:10:03pm |
re: #826 Obdicut
You have in no way connected that presentation with the grant. You are simply saying the presentation was given, and days later, the grant was awarded. That does not mean the grant was awarded on the basis of that presentation.
You have shown correlation, but no causation.
Whatever Perry Mason, you just keep repeating that over and over, it is still false. The Newspaper I linked obviously did not have your problem connecting the dots as they said exactly what I did. I have repeatedly demonstrated a clear connection and you are simply heckling, as usual.
Not only was the grant a direct result, the powerpoint presentation made it clear that the reason the grant proposals were even requested was specifically the false claim of 2035 as highlighted by the pdf.
Nothing else was offered and there can be no doubt of what I am saying based upon the material I have linked to.
Your position is simply argumentative and knee-jerk, worthy of a gaze in the future.
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osprey34229 Mon, Jan 25, 2010 1:24:45pm |
I thought the boys from the UK stuck a fork in the agw
turkey last night. I noticed few of the BIG guns put up
a strong rebuttal to their points !!
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 2:02:52pm |
re: #829 Bagua
You have repeatedly asserted a clear connection. That's all. No demonstration has occurred. You have not shown any information about the grant itself, for example, or the process by which it was awarded. Your reliance on a news story as your proof is funny, but insufficient.
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Pete(Detroit) Mon, Jan 25, 2010 4:03:42pm |
re: #828 Obdicut
Dude, for once, go read a source on the subject. [Link: www.skepticalscience.com...] would answer every question you posed.
Thanks! Looking at it now.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 25, 2010 6:58:26pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:59:52am |
re: #672 albusteve
stay in Arlington, or somewhere outside the Beltway for sure...rent a car
Thanks albusteve, but DC does have excellent public transit, and renting a car and paying for gas won't work for us.
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