For a graphic illustration of the appalling size of the Deepwater Horizon disaster, NASA’s Terra satellite took this natural color photograph of the gigantic oil slick approaching the coastline of Louisiana yesterday: Gulf Oil Spill Creeps Towards Mississippi Delta.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:43:43am |
/Well to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, it doesn't look so bad from up here!
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:45:33am |
I wouldn't want to be lighting a match in New Orleans anytime soon.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:47:15am |
Charles, did I see a map here yesterday of all the preserves in the area? And if so, a re-post would help.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:47:31am |
re: #4 JasonA
I wouldn't want to be lighting a match in New Orleans anytime soon.
I wouldn't want to be a commercial fisherman in the Gulf.
Or the PR person for BP. (My mother was very complimentary toward the young lady who is in that position, however.)
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:47:35am |
so is the southeastern tip where the well is/was?
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wrenchwench Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:47:52am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:48:52am |
My solution: build a floating refinery in the Gulf. next time there is an oil spill, just tow it over and let it start processing the oil spill into unleaded super...
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:49:50am |
Drudge headline: Slow federal response threatens to turn oil spill into Obama's 'Katrina'...
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:50:08am |
re: #10 ralphieboy
My solution: build a floating refinery in the Gulf. next time there is an oil spill, just tow it over and let it start processing the oil spill into unleaded super...
I was wondering that since it dose float on top why it can be pumped up (yes I know its huge)
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dugmartsch Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:51:54am |
BTW....new right wing talking point courtesy of Rush Limbaugh -- Sekrit Liberal conspiracy.
[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:52:15am |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
Drudge headline: Slow federal response threatens to turn oil spill into Obama's 'Katrina'...
Event: Obama discovers how to harness static electricity in the air into viable energy source.
Drudge Headline: Obama's latest government plan will lead to the termination of countless of American jobs!
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webevintage Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:53:53am |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
Drudge headline: Slow federal response threatens to turn oil spill into Obama's 'Katrina'...
Well that didn't take long....
Why do people still read Drudge?
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:53:54am |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
Drudge headline: Slow federal response threatens to turn oil spill into Obama's 'Katrina'...
well to be fair he only linked to the Washington Post...
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:54:32am |
re: #16 webevintage
Well that didn't take long...
Why do people still read Drudge?
Why do people keep going to see Rocky Horror Picture Show?
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pharmmajor Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:54:44am |
Yet another sign that we're long overdue in moving towards nuclear power.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:55:02am |
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:55:16am |
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webevintage Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:55:33am |
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lostlakehiker Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:55:34am |
BP talks a good green game, but they don't have a good record on the ground. Or in the water. Capitalism requires for its proper functioning that capitalist players not be allowed to spawn negative externalities on any major scale, not for free. They have to be held to account.
I don't want BP destroyed with punitive fines. I just want them to pay the damages. If that destroys them as a corporation, it will be a lesson to the others, but the damages are unlikely to be that large. If it hurts their bottom line, well, a great many other economic players have been injured by this spill, and the damages BP pays can go toward compensating them for their loss.
This is a cold and mechanical way of looking at environmental damage, but socialism has a pitiful track record at protecting the environment. The State can never be held to account, and the results are again visible from space.
Go on Google Earth and look at the Aral Sea. Then look at a map. What's left is chump change compared to its natural extent.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:55:50am |
re: #17 brookly red
well to be fair he only linked to the Washington Post...
Nope, he linked to the Moonie owned Washington Times who once employed racist RS McCain.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:56:22am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:56:49am |
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:56:50am |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Nope, he linked to the Moonie owned Washington Times who once employed racist RS McCain.
yes Times not Post my bad but still he didn't write it just link to it.
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Spider Mensch Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:57:07am |
the one small positive I've read was that the slick was fairly thin especially the further from the center of the slick you go, giving hope that the wash up on the shore might not be too bad in some areas. not as Bad as in the Valdez heavy slick that washed up in Alaska. Still will not be pleasant at all, and will need to be cleaned, but any positive is something. But this was only one reports analysis.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:57:47am |
re: #19 pharmmajor
Yet another sign that we're long overdue in moving towards nuclear power.
can i get an AMEN!?
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Reginald Perrin Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:58:49am |
re: #12 brookly red
I was wondering that since it dose float on top why it can be pumped up (yes I know its huge)
It isn't a solid mass like it appears in the satellite photo. It's more like strands of spaghetti and spread out over many hundreds of square miles.
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bratwurst Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:59:04am |
re: #16 webevintage
Well that didn't take long...
Why do people still read Drudge?
They love pop-up ads and malware?
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:59:11am |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
Drudge headline: Slow federal response threatens to turn oil spill into Obama's 'Katrina'...
If the disaster response is inevitably federal, why even have private oil companies? I know it's a socialist question, but it's a serious one. Drudge also needs to learn the difference between natural and unnatural phenomena.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:59:35am |
re: #28 Spider Mensch
the one small positive I've read was that the slick was fairly thin especially the further from the center of the slick you go, giving hope that the wash up on the shore might not be too bad in some areas. not as Bad as in the Valdez heavy slick that washed up in Alaska. Still will not be pleasant at all, and will need to be cleaned, but any positive is something. But this was only one reports analysis.
i hear you.
the big negative about the small positive: in a few months, thin --> thick.
that's my intense fear...
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Decatur Deb Fri, Apr 30, 2010 9:59:59am |
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:00:04am |
re: #30 Reginald Perrin
It isn't a solid mass like it appears in the satellite photo. It's more like strands of spaghetti and spread out over many hundreds of square miles.
true I meant closer to the source... but I know it's huge.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:01:29am |
re: #23 lostlakehiker
BP talks a good green game, but they don't have a good record on the ground. Or in the water. Capitalism requires for its proper functioning that capitalist players not be allowed to spawn negative externalities on any major scale, not for free. They have to be held to account.
I don't want BP destroyed with punitive fines. I just want them to pay the damages. If that destroys them as a corporation, it will be a lesson to the others, but the damages are unlikely to be that large. If it hurts their bottom line, well, a great many other economic players have been injured by this spill, and the damages BP pays can go toward compensating them for their loss.
Yep, Gulf Coast fishermen are also capitalists. They didn't cause this but it could ruin them. BP should be forced to pay even if it means liquidation.
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Gus Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:01:39am |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
Drudge headline: Slow federal response threatens to turn oil spill into Obama's 'Katrina'...
No surprise aye? Coming from Drudge. Let's see we have Drudge, Washington Slimes and the author of the article is a Jospeh Curl. Other articles at the Washington Slimes by Mr. Curl:
Canceled Poland trip frees Obama for golf
Obama skips Polish funeral, heads to golf course
Study: Networks snub, malign 'tea party'
He even gets a slot for dubious reporting at Media Matters.
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pharmmajor Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:01:44am |
re: #32 goddamnedfrank
If the disaster response is inevitably federal, why even have private oil companies? I know it's a socialist question, but it's a serious one. Drudge also needs to learn the difference between natural and unnatural phenomena.
Good point. Isn't it the responsibility of the oil company to clean up their mess?
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:02:31am |
re: #37 Shiplord Kirel
Yep, Gulf Coast fishermen are also capitalists. They didn't cause this but it could ruin them. BP should be forced to pay even if it means liquidation.
they already have announced they would & they are insured... still not good.
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allegro Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:02:47am |
From one who has been on the beach when the oil slicks move in, there is no description of the horror of the situation. Volunteers covered head to foot in slickers and goggles due to the extreme toxicity, scrambling to scrub/save whatever seabirds and mammals possible. Seeing the critters' eyes streaming blood, scratched out in the attempt to get the oil out of their eyes, gasping their last breaths, mountains of corpses piling up on the beach... the death and stench. This can go on for weeks, day after day, as more oil flows in on the currents.
It isn't all about money.
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Stanghazi Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:02:49am |
re: #37 Shiplord Kirel
Yep, Gulf Coast fishermen are also capitalists. They didn't cause this but it could ruin them. BP should be forced to pay even if it means liquidation.
Fishermen in Alaska died before they received any compensation from Exxon. After the Supreme Court reduced the award.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:02:51am |
I heard a Louisiana oyster farmer being interviewed on NPR yesterday -- he broke down in tears at one point. This is going to devastate the fishing industry.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:04:05am |
re: #37 Shiplord Kirel
In the end, this is like taxes. Companies only pass on the charge. If BP pays, then in reality all consumers of petroleum products pay as they will just pass on the costs.
This is what the hyper-individualists don't really grasp, or care to grasp. We are all connected to each other in numerous ways. A single bad decision by one can cause costs to be borne by the many.
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prairiefire Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:05:13am |
I am sorry this region will suffer more economic hardship.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:05:22am |
"Obama's Katrina" sounds like a boffo talking point, as it distracts from the real issues and focuses on that pesky, inept Federal Government.
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Reginald Perrin Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:05:52am |
re: #35 brookly red
true I meant closer to the source... but I know it's huge.
From what I have been able to research, because of the extreme depth of the three leaks, the oil isn't hitting the surface in any particular location. It is already dispersed by the time it reaches the surface. That is why they have had a difficult time estimating the volume of the leaks.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:06:03am |
re: #39 pharmmajor
Good point. Isn't it the responsibility of the oil company to clean up their mess?
You clearly don't know how how our system works, you see companies make all the profits, but if they do anything wrong they can count on having the government to back them up.
It's the worst of both worlds!
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Locker Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:06:21am |
Rush's conspiracy theory: "Environmentalist whackos" may have blown up oil rig to "head off more oil drilling"
Today Limbaugh theorized that environmentalists may have been behind the explosion of an oil rig that is currently dumping thousands of gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico. Because the rig exploded one day before Earth Day. And Al Gore told an audience to engage in civil disobedience to show support for environmental protection. And Earth Day was inspired by a river in Cleveland catching fire. And cap and trade was strongly criticized by "hardcore environmentalist whackos," and what better way to "head off more oil drilling" than by blowing up an oil rig? His logic is airtight. Somebody call Mensa.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:06:41am |
re: #44 freetoken
The really sobering part is that this is the result of just one oil rig.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:07:04am |
re: #49 Locker
Rush's conspiracy theory: "Environmentalist whackos" may have blown up oil rig to "head off more oil drilling"
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
Breaking news: It was actually the Dawn company to sell more dishwashing liquid!!!11!!!
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:07:30am |
re: #49 Locker
Rush's conspiracy theory: "Environmentalist whackos" may have blown up oil rig to "head off more oil drilling"
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
He's in Alex Jones territory now.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:07:47am |
re: #43 Charles
Louisiana is a leading source of seafood (shellfish in particular.)
No oysters and shrimp? No problem, we'll just have some cod... oops, no cod... no problem, we'll just have some yummy blue-fin tuna... um, wait, no tuna either...
Well shucks, can you say "jellyfish roll"?
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cliffster Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:07:58am |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
Drudge headline: Slow federal response threatens to turn oil spill into Obama's 'Katrina'...
that's idiodic
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Locker Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:08:07am |
re: #51 rwdflynavy
Breaking news: It was actually the Dawn company to sell more dishwashing liquid!!!11!!!
Really? I heard it was the solar and wind lobby's covert operation to increase market share.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:08:31am |
re: #46 ralphieboy
"Obama's Katrina" sounds like a boffo talking point, as it distracts from the real issues and focuses on that pesky, inept Federal Government.
Bush's Katrina was a boffo talking point too, but that doesn't mean it ought to be repeated. Republicans would get a lot more mileage trying to be helpful than tossing accusations.
(yes, i know, i'll go pet my unicorn while i'm at it;)
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pharmmajor Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:08:32am |
re: #48 jamesfirecat
You clearly don't know how how our system works, you see companies make all the profits, but if they do anything wrong they can count on having the government to back them up.
It's the worst of both worlds!
Well that needs to stop. I believe in a free market where the government doesn't interfere in business, but that means that business shouldn't rely on the government to bail them out when they make a mistake. So if Transocean doesn't take immediate action into cleaning up their mess, then hopefully a few lawsuits will spur them into action.
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:09:08am |
re: #54 freetoken
Louisiana is a leading source of seafood (shellfish in particular.)
No oysters and shrimp? No problem, we'll just have some cod... oops, no cod... no problem, we'll just have some yummy blue-fin tuna... um, wait, no tuna either...
Well shucks, can you say "jellyfish roll"?
jelly fish is quite good... tastes like pasta.
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Gus Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:09:08am |
re: #49 Locker
Rush's conspiracy theory: "Environmentalist whackos" may have blown up oil rig to "head off more oil drilling"
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
Rush Limbaugh.
Super genius.
//
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bratwurst Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:09:41am |
re: #57 Aceofwhat?
Republicans would get a lot more mileage trying to be helpful than tossing accusations.
RINO!
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:10:04am |
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Locker Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:10:44am |
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:10:52am |
re: #44 freetoken
In the end, this is like taxes. Companies only pass on the charge. If BP pays, then in reality all consumers of petroleum products pay as they will just pass on the costs.
This is what the hyper-individualists don't really grasp, or care to grasp. We are all connected to each other in numerous ways. A single bad decision by one can cause costs to be borne by the many.
No, it is not like passing on the cost of a new tax. A new tax would presumably affect everyone in the same industry, allowing the cost to be passed on without a loss of competitive advantage. That is not the case when a cost affects only one company in the industry. They cannot pass it on by raising prices when their competitors are extremely unlikely to do likewise.
Liquidation does not mean a loss of productivity in terms of overall benefit to society, it merely shifts the profitability of the liquidated assets to new owners.
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cliffster Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:12:39am |
Wow, look at this in the advertisements section. I gotta get me some of this..
(function(){var b=document.getElementsByTagName("script"),c=b[b.length-1],g=c.src,a=g.substring(g.indexOf("?")+1,g.length).split("&"),h,e,d,f;for(f=0;f
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:12:57am |
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Locker Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:14:15am |
re: #52 brennant
The stupid, it burns.
I'm going to use a wonderful South Park quote to demonstrate how I feel about Rush. Please note I've replaced "John Edward" with Rush Limbaugh...
Rush Limbaugh: You better not call me a liar, a fake, or a douche, or else I'll sue you for slander!
Stan: I am saying this to you, Rush Limbaugh. You are a liar. You are a fake. And you are the biggest douche ever.
Rush Limbaugh: Everything I tell people is positive and gives them hope! How does that make me a douche?
Stan: Because the big questions in life are tough; Why are we here? Where are we from? Where are we going? But as long as people believe in asshole douchey liars like you, we're never going to find the answers to those questions. You aren't just lying, you're slowing down the progress of all mankind, YOU DOUCHE!
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:14:35am |
re: #65 cliffster
Wow, look at this in the advertisements section. I gotta get me some of this..
(function(){var b=document.getElementsByTagName("script"),c=b[b. length-1],g=c.src,a=g.substring(g.indexOf("?")&# 43;1,g.length).split("&"),h,e,d,f;for(f=0;f
yeah, totally!
wait...what?
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pharmmajor Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:15:09am |
I wonder if Glenn Beck will try to match Rush with an even more retarded conspiracy theory about this disaster?
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Gus Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:15:16am |
re: #49 Locker
Rush's conspiracy theory: "Environmentalist whackos" may have blown up oil rig to "head off more oil drilling"
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
Newsweek blogger picked up on that story line:
Right Wing: Who to Blame for the Oil Spill? Environmentalists and Obama.
This Week in Conservative Media
NewsBusters's Noel Sheppard leads a piece with Paul Krugman's tongue-in-cheek headline for his Conscience of a Liberal blog titled "The Oil Spill Is Obama’s Fault" to ask why Krugman is being sarcastic, and questioning why Americans are not blaming Obama.
Conservative talk-radio host Mark Levin explores why it took eight days for the administration to respond to the spill, and other conservative commentators have added to criticism of what they say was a slow response.
Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh laughed at Obama's announcement that he would send SWAT teams to the region, suggesting that "obviously the regime is open to the idea that this is not an accident." He pointed to environmentalists as possible suspects.
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lostlakehiker Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:15:59am |
re: #44 freetoken
In the end, this is like taxes. Companies only pass on the charge. If BP pays, then in reality all consumers of petroleum products pay as they will just pass on the costs.
This is what the hyper-individualists don't really grasp, or care to grasp. We are all connected to each other in numerous ways. A single bad decision by one can cause costs to be borne by the many.
BP cannot "simply pass on" the charges. The price of oil is a global price. If BP wants to raise its prices, they'll simply be undercut by the others. There is no cartel of refiners. BP can maybe raise its prices a little, but not nearly enough to cover their costs.
If they can raise their prices today, they could have done so a week ago, and they would have. They didn't. The stockholders of BP will take a major share of the hit. This is how it should be.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:16:32am |
re: #69 pharmmajor
I wonder if Glenn Beck will try to match Rush with an even more retarded conspiracy theory about this disaster?
Maybe if we double dog dare him!!!
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cliffster Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:17:37am |
re: #68 Aceofwhat?
at least we know the obfuscater is working well.
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:18:27am |
re: #69 pharmmajor
I wonder if Glenn Beck will try to match Rush with an even more retarded conspiracy theory about this disaster?
Rush is sarcastic in this case, Beck truly believes...
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Macha Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:19:14am |
re: #41 allegro
No it isn't all about money. But a great deal of it is. There will be an enormous impact on the environment as well as the people who make a living from fishing and other marine occupations. We have got to get away from our dependency on oil. Get nuclear power up and running for domestic energy and develop alternatives as rapidly as possible. Take oil out of the equation and it would solve a whole lot of problems for the USA world wide. Does anyone know to what extent the oil companies have been involved in blocking development of alternatives in the past?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:20:24am |
re: #69 pharmmajor
I wonder if Glenn Beck will try to match Rush with an even more retarded conspiracy theory about this disaster?
Glen Beck can outcrazy anyone. I'm sure he'll come up with something outrageously stupid.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:20:39am |
re: #71 lostlakehiker
BP cannot "simply pass on" the charges. The price of oil is a global price. If BP wants to raise its prices, they'll simply be undercut by the others. There is no cartel of refiners. BP can maybe raise its prices a little, but not nearly enough to cover their costs.
If they can raise their prices today, they could have done so a week ago, and they would have. They didn't. The stockholders of BP will take a major share of the hit. This is how it should be.
I agree, except that will not undo the damage in the meantime. Nothing can. That's the incredibly sad part about this.
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Gus Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:20:40am |
This just in!
Breaking news!
Sarah Palin comments on the oil spill:
UPDATE: At 10:40AM ET on Friday, Sarah Palin made her first comment on the oil spill, posting the following on Twitter: "Having worked/lived thru Exxon oil spill,my family&I understand Gulf residents' fears.Our prayers r w/u.All industry efforts must b employed"
On Twitter.
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:20:54am |
re: #75 Macha
No it isn't all about money. But a great deal of it is. There will be an enormous impact on the environment as well as the people who make a living from fishing and other marine occupations. We have got to get away from our dependency on oil. Get nuclear power up and running for domestic energy and develop alternatives as rapidly as possible. Take oil out of the equation and it would solve a whole lot of problems for the USA world wide. Does anyone know to what extent the oil companies have been involved in blocking development of alternatives in the past?
well yes and no... even if we didn't use a drop of oil more than a dozen countries are drilling in the Gulf.
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blueraven Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:21:03am |
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Locker Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:21:39am |
re: #75 Macha
No it isn't all about money. But a great deal of it is. There will be an enormous impact on the environment as well as the people who make a living from fishing and other marine occupations. We have got to get away from our dependency on oil. Get nuclear power up and running for domestic energy and develop alternatives as rapidly as possible. Take oil out of the equation and it would solve a whole lot of problems for the USA world wide. Does anyone know to what extent the oil companies have been involved in blocking development of alternatives in the past?
Honestly I think American apathy is much more responsible, cause an effect wise, for blocking development of alternatives. Personally I'm in favor of some federal "encouragement". Americans would change their opinion in a heartbeat if a gas fueled car suddenly cost twice what an electric car costs.
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:21:56am |
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:22:16am |
re: #72 rwdflynavy
Maybe if we double dog dare him!!!
Please, I'm sure he's bucking in the gate already....
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:22:41am |
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:22:46am |
re: #49 Locker
Rush's conspiracy theory: "Environmentalist whackos" may have blown up oil rig to "head off more oil drilling"
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
Holy hidden hand!
Rush is using the classic conspiracist fallacy of conflating a necessary condition (alleged eco-wackie motive) with a sufficient condition (evidence they did it) for an accusation of sabotage.
Beyond that, I have had some occasion the methodology and logistics of terrorism over the past few decades. No eco-fringe group has yet demonstrated anything like the kind of organization and capability it would take to sabotage an offshore oil platform. Sorry I can't go into detail but these are very well-protected. The very fact that they don't get blown up every day is pretty good evidence for that. It is a whole different animal from torching some unfinished houses or breaking the windows in a line of new SUVs. Even if eco-terrorists had the juice for it, they would not be able to predict that an explosion on the platform would result in a spill from the wellhead thousands of feet below.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:23:11am |
re: #82 brookly red
up he make a living out of getting a rise out of people...
i'll have what brookly is having/
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:23:48am |
re: #82 brookly red
up he make a living out of getting a rise out of people...
He should leave it to the scantily clad ladies of negotiable affection, they do it better.
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Locker Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:24:10am |
re: #82 brookly red
up he make a living out of getting a rise out of people...
Sorry man I see this whole "rush is just sarcastic" or "rush is just joking" stuff all the time and it's invalid. You don't get to say the most horrible and false things you can think of day in and day out only to dismiss criticism when busted by saying "I'm just joking".
I thought of giving you a personal example but honestly... you don't want to see it and me saying "I'm just being sarcastic" wouldn't make you feel better about it.
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:24:43am |
re: #86 Aceofwhat?
i'll have what brookly is having/
I will need to see proof of residency to serve you...
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freetoken Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:24:58am |
re: #64 Shiplord Kirel
While I see your point, still, making BP "pay" will affect everybody.
BP itself will likely sue it's contractors who supplied it (ship, parts, etc.) Undoubtedly many of these companies (like BP) have insurance, so insurance payouts mean that the re-insurers will payout which means everybody will pay a little bit more.
Furthermore, because of the way oil works, it being both fungible (e.g. the oil BP produces can find its way into many companies' products), and especially with supply not keeping up with demand (e.g., price is rising), BP will be able to raise the prices of its products. If supply was much greater than demand then BP couldn't get away with that... but the reality of today is the oil is so precious that people will pay more. Indeed, that is why companies are going to greater extremes to produce, as in the case here.
Finally, we pay in another way. This drilling effort is needed to make up for depletion losses in US oil supply. Delays in this project will mean future US oil production will be down, both because of the delay of this project but also due to the delays of others.
Events have consequences, and sometimes lots of consequences.
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Stanghazi Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:26:38am |
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cliffster Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:26:42am |
re: #87 jamesfirecat
He should leave it to the scantily clad ladies of negotiable affection, they do it better.
nice work
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freetoken Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:27:07am |
re: #71 lostlakehiker
Oil prices have shown to be quite resilient during the Great Recession, and are now going up.
Losing production will further add to the price climbs.
Everyone pays in the end.
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Gus Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:27:42am |
Limbaugh suggests Obama is ‘touchy’ about Arizona law because he can’t produce his own ‘papers.’
Papers equals Nazi. Your papers please. It equals Nazi, that’s why Obama is using the term. I can understand Obama being touchy on the subject of producing your papers. Maybe he’s afraid somebody is going to ask him for his. - Rush Limbaugh
Yeah, what a comedian.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:28:24am |
re: #89 brookly red
I will need to see proof of residency to serve you...
i'm a German-English hybrid who looks like a Greek-Italian hybrid.
only in America!
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engineer cat Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:28:38am |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
Drudge headline: Slow federal response threatens to turn oil spill into Obama's 'Katrina'...
sigh
i only hope that a massive application of federal resources can be effective
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:29:36am |
re: #96 engineer dog
sigh
i only hope that a massive application of federal resources can be effective
Was requested.
[Link: gov.louisiana.gov...]
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brookly red Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:31:32am |
re: #95 Aceofwhat?
i'm a German-English hybrid who looks like a Greek-Italian hybrid.
only in America!
/sure your are amigo, now turn around & place your hands on the car...
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pharmmajor Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:34:39am |
A little more insanity for today: The UN has named Iran to the Commission on the Status of Women. WTF?
[Link: reason.com...]
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:34:53am |
re: #98 brookly red
/sure your are amigo, now turn around & place your hands on the car...
mooon riverrr
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Cato the Elder Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:35:39am |
Somehow I would not be shocked to learn that EarthFirst! blew the thing up to stop offshore drilling.
Because we should just drill in other places and let them have the inevitable ecological consequences and possible disasters. Keep our coasts pure for the Prius drivers!
I'm sorry, but not "drilling here" is the biggest form of NIMBYism I know of.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:35:58am |
re: #99 pharmmajor
A little more insanity for today: The UN has named Iran to the Commission on the Status of Women. WTF?
[Link: reason.com...]
If today wasn't Friday I'm sure Jon Stewart would be doing a spitake over it....
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pharmmajor Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:38:04am |
re: #102 jamesfirecat
If today wasn't Friday I'm sure Jon Stewart would be doing a spitake over it...
Maybe he'll cover it on Monday.
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brennant Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:38:22am |
Curbing ethnic studies in Arizona?
Anyone else reading this?
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Decatur Deb Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:46:39am |
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:46:56am |
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tnguitarist Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:48:47am |
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Cineaste Fri, Apr 30, 2010 10:50:55am |
re: #58 pharmmajor
Well that needs to stop. I believe in a free market where the government doesn't interfere in business, but that means that business shouldn't rely on the government to bail them out when they make a mistake. So if Transocean doesn't take immediate action into cleaning up their mess, then hopefully a few lawsuits will spur them into action.
Don't we give the oil companies subsidies on their licenses since the resource they have licensed is depleting (because they're pumping it out of the ground)? Well, I think we should hand the oil companies the bill for every last penny of the work cleaning this up + triple damages.
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pharmmajor Fri, Apr 30, 2010 11:03:31am |
re: #108 Cineaste
Don't we give the oil companies subsidies on their licenses since the resource they have licensed is depleting (because they're pumping it out of the ground)? Well, I think we should hand the oil companies the bill for every last penny of the work cleaning this up + triple damages.
Amen.
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pharmmajor Fri, Apr 30, 2010 11:03:56am |
re: #105 Decatur Deb
There will be four absurdities by then.
And six impossible things before breakfast as well.
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webevintage Fri, Apr 30, 2010 11:05:13am |
re: #74 brookly red
Rush is sarcastic in this case, Beck truly believes...
I know.
That Rush always with the jokes and the sarcasm and the dry, dry wit that only a few special people ever truly appreciate.
He's such a card!
Such an entertainer....
/
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Cineaste Fri, Apr 30, 2010 11:09:04am |
re: #111 webevintage
I know.
That Rush always with the jokes and the sarcasm and the dry, dry wit that only a few special people ever truly appreciate.
He's such a card!
Such an entertainer...
/
exactly. If it's so funny, why does noone ever laugh? Jon Stewart never needs to explain that something was a joke...
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reidr Fri, Apr 30, 2010 11:43:35am |
re: #112 Cineaste
exactly. If it's so funny, why does noone ever laugh? Jon Stewart never needs to explain that something was a joke...
Oh, I think the dittoheads actually do laugh. Anything that's a dig at liberals/feminazis/blue team, even if it's completely unfunny, is hilarious to them. I think they imagine the hurt look on a hippie's face and it tickles them pink. This probably has something to do with why conservatives can't do comedy.
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Sacred Plants Sun, May 2, 2010 9:10:25am |
Corporate History is the weakest point of BP.
Up to the current day, the heirs of the issuer of their first drilling concession uphold the claim that it had been obtained in a fraudulent manner that would render it invalid.
Fraud might have propagated from that onwards, the concession for the site of current concern might have been treated more secure would that particular corporation never have got to get involved with it.
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