Live Video: Obama Speaks on Iraq

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President Obama’s speech on the drawdown of US troops in Iraq is about to start; Sarah Palin started attacking it before it began, with a hilariously illiterate reference to George Orwell: Sarah Palin.

When asked, “Which book by George Orwell is your favorite?” Palin replied, “All of them!”

Ahem. Anyway, here’s live video of the President’s address, courtesy of the White House.

[Video removed, because there’s no way to disable autoplay.]

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1332 comments
1 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:00:37pm

yay! Haven't done a liveblog on a pres speech for a while :D

2 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:01:00pm

oops wrong button; I also wanted to say that I'm with Cato on this one, hope he straps his balls on.

3 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:02:10pm

I'm gonna sit this one out, too many plates in the air to keep spinning for me to watch and comment right now...

4 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:02:25pm

She also warned him to not be uppity.....
Humility and Honesty About Iraq Can Inspire Trust

5 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:02:46pm

I'm outraged already!

6 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:03:38pm

Oh, for Zod's sake, someone take the keyboard away from her.

7 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:03:55pm

Nice shout out to the troops. Thank you Mr. President.

8 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:03:55pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

/channels inner wingnut

"What, he hasn't blamed Bush yet?"

9 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:05:05pm

I think Sarah should get credit. Good job Sarah!

10 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:05:28pm

Twitr iz brain deth if u uz it evn 1ce.

11 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:05:39pm

I hate Palin.
I hate her so much.
I hate her in so many ways I can not count them.
Hate her.

12 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:06:03pm

What you won't hear him say:
' Let me be clear: I was wrong, George, you totally nailed it on that Surge thing '.

13 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:06:14pm

Booga Booga, elections

14 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:06:59pm

Only a hawk can make a peace deal stick Mr. President.

15 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:07:00pm

Good job refudiating immediatiously Sarah!

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:07:10pm

re: #12 tradewind

What you won't hear him say:
' Let me be clear: I was wrong, George, you totally nailed it on that Surge thing '.

Yes, that would sound terribly presidential.

17 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:07:38pm

re: #12 tradewind

What you won't hear him say:
' Let me be clear: I was wrong, George, you totally nailed it on that Surge thing '.

Heh, as if you'd ever give Obama credit for anything.

18 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:08:20pm

re: #12 tradewind

What you won't hear him say:
' Let me be clear: I was wrong, George, you totally nailed it on that Surge thing '.

Yeah just as soon as George admits he was wrong on the WMD's and says "You know what I was wrong Barry, you were right going into Iraq was a mistake waiting to happen."

19 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:08:29pm

re: #12 tradewind

What you won't hear him say:
' Let me be clear: I was wrong, George, you totally nailed it on that Surge thing '.

So, you are officially posting for Mandy 2nite?

20 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:08:42pm

re: #12 tradewind

Let me be clear: I was wrong, George, you totally nailed it on that Surge thing

There was a ceasefire signed right before the surge AND ethnic cleansing of many neighborhoods was almost completed at the time of the surge. It's hard to say which factor contributed the most, and if the surge really would have had an effect...

21 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:08:56pm

re: #12 tradewind

re: #14 Ojoe

You guys are reminding me why these threads are always so much fun.

22 stevemcg  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:09:06pm

re: #12 tradewind

Wasn't there supposed to be some sort of benchmarks the Iraqis were achieving, and they hardly even got the easy ones?

23 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:09:10pm

Extremists will keep blowing things up.

OK


Now comes the hopeful part


Remember that guns were necessary to get here.

Now you are talking about belief, something to cling to.

24 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:09:14pm

re: #12 tradewind

What you won't hear him say:
' Let me be clear: I was wrong, George, you totally nailed it on that Surge thing '.

Also, we wouldn't have needed a surge if the Bush admin listened to Gen. Shinseki.

25 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:09:18pm

Hey Trade! This is your time!

26 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:09:56pm

lol 'time to move beyond our differences' >>

27 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:10:03pm

OK nice platitudes, delivered in a rousing monotone.

28 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:10:27pm

re: #26 windsagio

lol 'time to move beyond our differences' >>

Huzzah! Beer for everyone!

29 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:10:27pm

oops, he almost said something good about Bush.. aneurysms commencing at thinkprogress.

30 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:10:43pm

re: #27 Ojoe

is there a scenario where he could give a speech you'd like Joe? Because the sense sure seems to be 'no'.

31 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:11:06pm

re: #27 Ojoe

Heh its nice to know you have no actual criticism. Shouldn't you be posting in drag? Err, about the Whigs.

32 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:11:22pm

re: #30 windsagio

Well he rubs me the wrong way.

33 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:11:22pm

The left is hating on this speech because he doesn't blame Bush for anything, and doesn't come out and say the Iraq War was an unnecessary failure.

As if he was ever going to do that.

34 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:11:29pm

re: #19 Cato the Elder

Cato, did you just use 2nite instead of tonight?

I am in shock.

Please don't hurt me.

//

35 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:11:58pm

re: #32 Ojoe

TWSS

36 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:12:00pm

re: #31 McSpiff

He's saying OK things.

37 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:12:04pm

re: #33 Charles

The left is hating on this speech because he doesn't blame Bush for anything, and doesn't come out and say the Iraq War was an unnecessary failure.

As if he was ever going to do that.

It always makes me laugh how people want a bomb-thrower as president.

38 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:12:12pm

re: #33 Charles

The left is hating on this speech because he doesn't blame Bush for anything, and doesn't come out and say the Iraq War was an unnecessary failure.

As if he was ever going to do that.

Hell, he talked to Bush last night. Nice move in my op.

39 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:12:25pm

re: #11 webevintage
You keep carrying that anger, it'll eat you up inside.
 ( Sorry, Don).
She doesn't feel it. Your stress level however, will .

40 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:12:32pm

re: #30 windsagio

is there a scenario where he could give a speech you'd like Joe? Because the sense sure seems to be 'no'.

"I resign the position of President of the United States forthwith."

41 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:12:32pm

He has yet to say, "Nothing Accomplished!". I can only imagine the gnashing of liberal teeth

42 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:12:50pm

I like what he's saying about fear.

More presidential than I would have put it.

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:13:10pm

re: #32 Ojoe

Well he rubs me the wrong way.

Fair enough. Bush always seemed to be smirking, to me.

44 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:13:17pm

re: #39 tradewind

You keep carrying that anger, it'll eat you up inside.
 ( Sorry, Don).
She doesn't feel it. Your stress level however, will .

Sister Sarah thrives on it. Dontcha worry about her.

45 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:13:17pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Hell, he talked to Bush last night. Nice move in my op.

You know how it is, he wants to actually move forward, not gloat.

It occurs that getting out of this thing in one piece is more important than mocking an ex-president.

46 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:13:27pm

re: #37 windsagio

Um, didn't you just hope that he strapped on his balls?

47 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:13:47pm

Concern Grifter is concerned.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:14:04pm

re: #41 cliffster

He has yet to say, "Nothing Accomplished!". I can only imagine the gnashing of liberal teeth

They're gonna live.

49 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:14:05pm

Turns out the war didn't pay for itself.

50 stevemcg  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:14:16pm

Where is he going?

51 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:14:43pm

Nice. Let's live up to the example set by the US military.

52 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:14:45pm

re: #46 brownbagj

Um, didn't you just hope that he strapped on his balls?

haha I did! There's a level between beating on bush with a baseball bat and whinging that I was hoping for >>

53 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:14:51pm

re: #32 Ojoe

Well he rubs me the wrong way.

I absolutely can't stand him. I can't stand to look at him, and I can't stand to listen to him. A few minutes ago, I called my little girl over and said, "listen sweetie, it's the president. He's giving a very important speech. who is he talking to? Everyone in America." Big picture.

54 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:14:54pm

Well don't blame the economic crash only on the war, it was also a greed bubble attached to real estate.

55 stevemcg  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:15:08pm

Smooth transition.

56 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:15:24pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

Fair enough. Bush always seemed to be smirking, to me.

He wasn't smirking, Snidely Whiplash smirks, people "in the know" smirk.

Bush's smile always made me think of the innocent nievety of youth...

Well that and this...
Image: Bush-monkey.gif


Oh Curious George jokes, will you ever stop being funny?

57 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:15:28pm

"Reach For It!"

Youtube Video
58 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:15:29pm

OMG!!!!
Why won't he think about the top 1% in this country?
They are bleeding....bleeedddding.......
/

59 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:15:36pm

re: #54 Ojoe

Well don't blame the economic crash only on the war, it was also a greed bubble attached to real estate.

He didn't.

60 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:15:54pm

re: #33 Charles

The left is hating on this speech because he doesn't blame Bush for anything, and doesn't come out and say the Iraq War was an unnecessary failure.

As if he was ever going to do that.

He just sent the message that the war caused us to go bankrupt. Won't be enough to satiate the left, more than enough to enrage the right.

From the Lazy Thinking Department: good job Prez! You're pissing off the right people.

61 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:15:57pm

re: #49 Obdicut

Turns out the war didn't pay for itself.

Unless you work for Blackwater.

62 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:16:20pm

The #tcot feed on Twitter is boiling with rage.

63 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:16:34pm

re: #54 Ojoe

Well don't blame the economic crash only on the war, it was also a greed bubble attached to real estate.

Can we blame a fair portion of the deficit on the war?

64 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:16:48pm

Stanley Dunham!!

65 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:16:54pm

OK on maintaining the finest fighting force the world has ever known, that's a good Roman thing Si vis pacem para bellum

66 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:16:56pm

re: #60 BigPapa

Won't be enough to satiate the left

It'll satiate me, but then again I'm not drunk enough to be angry tonight.

67 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:16:57pm

re: #34 brownbagj
Don't worry, he's harmless as long as he's rolling around in the mudpile.

68 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:17:01pm

re: #60 BigPapa

He just sent the message that the war caused us to go bankrupt. Won't be enough to satiate the left, more than enough to enrage the right.

From the Lazy Thinking Department: good job Prez! You're pissing off the right people.

The war did have a horrible effect on our economy, that's pretty hard to deny.

Close to a trillion dollars so far.

69 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:17:02pm

re: #60 BigPapa

And yet strangely, there's a good point in there. An unfunded war really really really hurt our bottom line!

70 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:17:09pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

Fair enough. Bush always seemed to be smirking, to me.

He was, but I think it's because he thought he was cute and funny, not because he knew he pulled on off on all us.

71 stevemcg  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:17:12pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

Can we blame a fair portion of the deficit on the war?

Just a fair portion.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:17:28pm

re: #62 Charles

The #tcot feed on Twitter is boiling with rage.

Over what? It's a pretty straightforward speech.

73 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:17:48pm

re: #61 Cato the Elder

Unless you work for Blackwater.

or the people worked for the people who had to re-brand Blackwater after the um - *unpleasentness*.................

74 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:17:56pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

I think it is maybe 15 % ? I'll see what I can find

75 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:17:57pm

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

Over what? It's a pretty straightforward speech.

Over the fact that a Democrat President is giving it.

76 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:18:03pm

re: #71 stevemcg

Just a fair portion.

Yeah I think it was about 1/5th last time I checked....

77 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:18:27pm

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

Over what? It's a pretty straightforward speech.

Well, he's still President...

78 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:18:50pm

re: #68 Charles

The war did have a horrible effect on our economy, that's pretty hard to deny.

Close to a trillion dollars so far.

and one of the main reasons of the spiralling deficit - he chose to put the war through the books, rather than roll over GWB and the GOP congresses credit card expenditure.

79 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:18:53pm

re: #75 Renaissance_Man

Over the fact that a Democrat black President is giving it.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:19:03pm

An age without surrender ceremonies...

Damn skippy.

81 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:19:05pm

there is a presidential loogie stuck in his throat.

82 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:19:05pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

Absolutely. And the housing bubble. And greedy pandering politicians.

83 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:19:06pm

Oh no, war is not the darkest of human creations, there are worse things, that is why some wars are fought, to get rid of the worse things.

84 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:19:08pm

re: #75 Renaissance_Man

Over the fact that a black Democrat President is giving it.

slightly amended.

85 stevemcg  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:19:30pm

re: #76 jamesfirecat

I think fair was 16-24%. Good was 25-39%. Holy shit is 40+

86 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:19:41pm

Short & sweet. Good call

87 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:19:42pm

oooohrah!

88 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:19:43pm

I can fairly hear Ann Coulter's pants ripping as her girldick swells into a rageboner.

89 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:19:45pm

re: #68 Charles

The war did have a horrible effect on our economy, that's pretty hard to deny.

Close to a trillion dollars so far.

There's no doubt it was expensive, a huge tax on our economy, not counting the cost of life.

I don't agree with his posturing of it, but it's not enough to ENRAGE! me.

90 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:20:04pm

Short, sweet. Well done, Mr. President.

91 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:20:25pm

From #tcot:

"Obama: Ultimately.terrorists will fail to achieve their goals." Unless it's building a mosque at ground zero.

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:20:25pm

re: #88 Cato the Elder

I can fairly hear Ann Coulter's pants ripping as her girldick swells into a rageboner.

Cato, that's...gross.

93 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:20:33pm

Damn, too slow!

have to be quick around here...

94 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:20:39pm

Yeah that was a good good speech.

Guy knows how to reach out to the people... if only he were white like Reagan, he'd totally be teh second coming of Reagan!

(except not a criminal)

95 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:20:48pm

By the way, how accurate is the following just so I know?

Because if its accurate I think I may get a lot of use out of it here at LGF....

Image: deficit.jpeg

96 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:20:49pm

Well that was fun.

97 stevemcg  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:20:55pm

re: #88 Cato the Elder

Her Adam's Apple must be throbbing.

98 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:21:00pm

OK, now that I respected the President and this speech.

Holy shit Sister Sarah! What a idiot you are.

99 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:21:01pm

re: #88 Cato the Elder

I can fairly hear Ann Coulter's pants ripping as her girldick swells into a rageboner.

You watch too much hentai.

100 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:21:05pm

re: #93 iceweasel

you've let your reflexes atrophy.

101 Nadnerb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:21:07pm

Only caught the final minutes, but he certainly captured the solemnity of the day. It sounded like he was holding back tears a couple of times.

102 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:21:09pm

re: #88 Cato the Elder

Gross! You may be right, but that is one yucky mental image.

103 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:21:21pm

For someone accused so often of vanity, Obama has a knack for short, concise speeches.

104 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:21:46pm

Not one mention of Sharia Law. Typical. #tcot

(I'm kidding, I think)

105 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:21:59pm

re: #99 Varek Raith

You watch too much hentai.

QFT

106 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:22:12pm

The most outrageous speech evah!
OMG!
/yawn

107 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:22:23pm

re: #103 Obdicut

For someone accused so often of vanity, Obama has a knack for short, concise speeches.


And his somewhat monotonous tone doesn't really scream "I'm charismatic enough to take over the world!"

108 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:22:25pm

Charles Krauthammer says the speech was "flat and odd."

109 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:22:26pm

re: #103 Obdicut

For someone accused so often of vanity, Obama has a knack for short, concise speeches.

Not so fast-- quick, check Breitbart. How many times did he use the letter I ? /

110 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:22:30pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

Cato, that's...gross.

Cato has me in dinglock. I always upding if I snicker, don't upding gross.

111 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:22:44pm

The #tcotters can't make up tweet words fast enough to convey their rage.

112 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:22:55pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

repost. link...you know...

113 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:23:07pm

Krauthammer has succumbed to exactly the mental condition he identified during the Bush era -- he has a raging case of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

114 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:23:13pm

re: #108 Charles

Charles Krauthammer says the speech was "flat and odd."

I didn't notice anything 'odd' about it. He certainly was being restrained. I felt that was appropriate.

115 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:23:37pm

Do you noticed he completed avoided mentioning the Tea Party, Glenn Beck or Rush?

He must be too scared of them to talk about them!!

///

You know damn well someone out there is thinking just that.

116 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:23:44pm

re: #100 windsagio

you've let your reflexes atrophy.

My finger is still bandaged! :(

117 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:23:53pm

re: #108 Charles

Charles Krauthammer says the speech was "flat and odd."

Glenn will find it confusing

118 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:24:27pm

Uh oh. I just got a funny smell.

119 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:24:29pm

re: #115 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

It was a pretty apoloitical speech. He made an urgent plea for good veteran's support, and for focusing on fixing problems together. That's about as political as it got.

121 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:24:42pm

re: #108 Charles

Charles Krauthammer says the speech was "flat and odd."

I thought it was moderate and solemn. The tone was proper, it was transitional.

I'm ENRAGED! that there is nothing to be ENRAGED! about. That's really pissing me off.

122 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:24:45pm

re: #117 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Glenn will find it confusing

It doesn't take much bless'him.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:25:18pm

re: #114 Obdicut

I didn't notice anything 'odd' about it. He certainly was being restrained. I felt that was appropriate.

He's calling an end to a long and exhausting military operation begun by another president, and which he was, as a senator, opposed to. It's not exactly a 'yee-haw' moment.

124 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:25:18pm

re: #112 Stanley Sea

repost. link...you know...

The image to be found at this link....

[Link: warorcar.blogspot.com...]

125 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:25:24pm

re: #103 Obdicut

For someone accused so often of vanity, Obama has a knack for short, concise speeches.

Hi Odbi! I thought the beginning of the Speech was great ( How many people here have ever once in their lives heard a President ever declared the end of a war? Historical in our lives)
The ending was great..Whoever wrote the middle should be fired..
IMHO

126 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:25:24pm

re: #94 windsagiore: #118 Charles

I hope it wasn't one of the hamsters.

127 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:25:40pm

re: #115 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Do you noticed he completed avoided mentioning the Tea Party, Glenn Beck or Rush?

He must be too scared of them to talk about them!!

///

You know damn well someone out there is thinking just that.

Or the New Black Panthers. Avoidance, total avoidance.

128 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:25:57pm

re: #120 Ojoe

Got any sourcing for that beyond instapundit?

129 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:26:43pm

re: #120 Ojoe

Could you try something not sourced from "First Things is published by The Institute on Religion and Public Life, an interreligious, nonpartisan research and education institute whose purpose is to advance a religiously informed public philosophy for the ordering of society."

130 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:26:56pm

re: #119 Obdicut

It was a pretty apoloitical speech. He made an urgent plea for good veteran's support, and for focusing on fixing problems together. That's about as political as it got.

So we shouldn't be pulling out our Orwell? (from the bookshelves, please)

131 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:26:57pm

re: #128 windsagio

Not at the moment

132 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:27:00pm

re: #126 brownbagj

Have you ever had a whiff of hamster cage? Not a nice smell.

133 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:27:05pm

re: #125 HoosierHoops

he had a frog in his throat, kept wondering to himself, "should I cough or not?"

134 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:27:14pm

re: #129 Obdicut

OK

135 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:27:23pm

re: #125 HoosierHoops

What part in the middle, Hoops? I didn't catch the whole thing.

136 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:27:38pm

re: #120 Ojoe

Here is a graph showing Iraq spending related to the whole deficit.

An unattributed graph from a full-on wingnut site. Trusty!

137 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:27:57pm

re: #131 Ojoe

Looks like Obdicut found sourcing for you, but...

Yeah you might wanna find a better source.

Of course the real fun would be 'cost of stupid tax cuts + war', but that might be asking for a bit much.

138 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:28:03pm

re: #120 Ojoe

Here is a graph showing Iraq spending related to the whole deficit.

Wait until the FY2030 Veterans' Administration costs are added in.

139 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:28:12pm

re: #121 BigPapa

I'm ENRAGED! that there is nothing to be ENRAGED! about. That's really pissing me off.


Don't worry President Palin will find something to be enraged about once she reads her Orwell...well once someone explains to her who Orwell was and gets her a couple of books to read.

140 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:28:26pm

re: #124 jamesfirecat

The image to be found at this link...

[Link: warorcar.blogspot.com...]

Oh that's a good one!

141 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:28:43pm

It's always interesting the places people go for sources/cites.

142 Coracle  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:29:05pm

re: #120 Ojoe

The first comment on your post links here. A bit more detail. A bit more relevance.

143 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:29:21pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

He's calling an end to a long and exhausting military operation begun by another president, and which he was, as a senator, opposed to. It's not exactly a 'yee-haw' moment.

Obama was able to pay respect to the two opposing sides of debate, even to Bush, without re-engaging the debate at this transitional moment. He did it without 'just doing it because he had to' or because he should, it was sincere and respectful.

This isn't really the time for the debate, we've had years to do it and will have many more years to do it.

Upding Obama.

144 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:29:35pm

re: #139 webevintage

Don't worry President Palin will find something to be enraged about once she reads her Orwell...well once someone explains to her who Orwell was and gets her a couple of books to read.

...as she glosses over the "doublethink" definition in 1984 and thinks to herself "glad I never do that!"

145 mikhailtheplumber  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:29:44pm

re: #68 Charles

The war did have a horrible effect on our economy, that's pretty hard to deny.

Close to a trillion dollars so far.

Really? But it was great for Halliburton! And if it's good for Halliburton, it's good for America. Right? Right??
//

146 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:29:53pm

re: #139 webevintage

Cliffs Notes are her best friend. I think they come in audiotapes now, so reading isn't required.

147 erraticsphinx  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:30:13pm

I think tcot is very enraged by not really having anything to be very enraged about.

148 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:30:25pm

Actually, I think I've discovered what Palin meant. She's thinking George Orwel, the former reporter who now writes for various oil industry publications. Got busted for plagary. Its an honest mistake.

/

149 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:30:33pm

Nothing has changed. President gives a speech. Half the country screeches about what a disgrace the speech was, the other half fawns unendingly over it. I've been following politics since Bush I, and it's been the same thing consistently.

150 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:30:45pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist
Gross is the house whine at Cato's.

151 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:30:49pm

re: #142 Coracle

The first comment on your post links here. A bit more detail. A bit more relevance.

THAT's the one.

I'm framing it.

152 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:30:54pm

Ha haa Sarah, Obama didn't even mention the surge.

Oh, and I'll give credit for it to Shinseki and the other generals who suggested we needed higher troop levels in order pacify Iraq back in 2003, right before Rumsfeld Wolfowitz and Rice disparaged their force estimates and they were suddenly forced into resigning en masse.

153 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:30:59pm

re: #147 erraticsphinx

#tcot is enraged about anything

154 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:31:09pm

I wonder what George Orwell would think of Palin.

There, it's over.

155 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:31:21pm

re: #143 BigPapa

It's really sad that he came in amidst the fallout of the Gopac/Newt era, or he really would be seen universally as what he is... which is pretty amazing.

Its like Kennedy without the womanizing or mob issues.


/if you can't tell, each time I see the guy give a speech, I'm amazed anew.

156 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:31:25pm

re: #149 cliffster

And the Magical Balance Fairy dances.

What did you think of the speech?

157 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:31:36pm

re: #147 erraticsphinx

I think tcot is very enraged by not really having anything to be very enraged about.

158 erraticsphinx  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:32:08pm

By the way Sarah, Orwell was a secular democratic socialist.

Moron.

159 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:32:33pm

re: #143 BigPapa

Pres Obama called Pres Bush last night. I think that was very cool. (they didn't discuss WMD's obviously)

160 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:32:36pm

re: #84 iceweasel

slightly amended.

Mmm, I dunno. I honestly think that for the most part, most of the nutjob teabaggers would be totally okay if a black man were President, if he was endorsed by their demagogues. This mythical person would have to talk vaguely in motherhood statements about deficits, freedom, babies, guns, and Jesus, and would have to actively attack and spit venom at liberals at every opportunity, but I think that if he met those criteria and was thus endorsed by the demagogosphere, the majority of these low-information voters would be okay with the colour of his skin. The motherhood statements and hating liberals are far more important to the modern Conservative cultie.

161 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:32:36pm

re: #158 erraticsphinx

Bingo

162 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:32:56pm

re: #108 Charles

Charles Krauthammer says the speech was "flat and odd."

Translation: CK found it devoid of outrage and rational.

163 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:33:00pm

re: #65 Ojoe

OK on maintaining the finest fighting force the world has ever known, that's a good Roman thing Si vis pacem para bellum

I'm guessing that means If you want peace, be ready for war ?

164 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:33:01pm

re: #108 Charles

Charles Krauthammer says the speech was "flat and odd."

That'd be the Frankenstein guy with the fish-eye stare, right? The one who calmly advocates murdering Iranians by the thousand? Well I guess he'd be an expert on "flat and cold."

165 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:33:16pm

re: #145 mikhailtheplumber

Really? But it was great for Halliburton! And if it's good for Halliburton, it's good for America. Right? Right??
//

Xe did well too.

166 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:33:33pm

BBL

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:33:38pm

re: #155 windsagio

It's really sad that he came in amidst the fallout of the Gopac/Newt era, or he really would be seen universally as what he is... which is pretty amazing.

Its like Kennedy without the womanizing or mob issues.

/if you can't tell, each time I see the guy give a speech, I'm amazed anew.

Eh, he's OK. A competent public speaker, but he doesn't make me glow.

168 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:33:42pm

re: #158 erraticsphinx

By the way Sarah, Orwell was a secular democratic socialist.

Moron.

MORAN! Get a brain!

169 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:33:50pm

re: #153 samuraishake
You think tcot's ticked?
The DU is rockin' cause Obama didn't come knockin'......
[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

170 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:33:52pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

That's a good one, it shows the wars at about 15%, tax cuts much larger; then you have to have a similar graph for expenditures to begin to see what options are open to us.

Otherwise the nation will begin to be controlled by its creditors.

171 blueraven  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:34:02pm

re: #89 BigPapa

There's no doubt it was expensive, a huge tax on our economy, not counting the cost of life.

I don't agree with his posturing of it, but it's not enough to ENRAGE! me.

Posturing? How so?

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:34:02pm

re: #160 Renaissance_Man

Mmm, I dunno. I honestly think that for the most part, most of the nutjob teabaggers would be totally okay if a black man were President, if he was endorsed by their demagogues. This mythical person would have to talk vaguely in motherhood statements about deficits, freedom, babies, guns, and Jesus, and would have to actively attack and spit venom at liberals at every opportunity, but I think that if he met those criteria and was thus endorsed by the demagogosphere, the majority of these low-information voters would be okay with the colour of his skin. The motherhood statements and hating liberals are far more important to the modern Conservative cultie.

Tend to agree.

173 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:34:08pm

re: #168 BigPapa

MORAN! Get a brain!

beat me to it.

174 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:34:28pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Eh, he's OK. A competent public speaker, but he doesn't make me glow.

I dunno he just speaks to me.

Oops, the stream started up again!

175 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:34:38pm

re: #169 tradewind

Magical Balance Fairy fetishes are weird.

176 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:34:49pm

Woah, stream starting up again scared the hell out of me

177 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:34:49pm

re: #170 Ojoe

You realize that we are our creditors, mostly, right?

178 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:34:55pm

g'night.

need some sleep.

179 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:35:17pm

Freakin' Macs.

180 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:35:17pm

re: #149 cliffster

Nothing has changed. President gives a speech. Half the country screeches about what a disgrace the speech was, the other half fawns unendingly over it. I've been following politics since Bush I, and it's been the same thing consistently.

Kind of like this post at TPM:

Dems and Obama's poll numbers are so bad because ...

Republicans: Terrible policies and he's probably a Muslim.

Right Democrats: No CEOs in the administration. And why does he keep getting into the black thing?

Down-the-Line Obamaites: Economy's bad. Nothing he could do. Give it a rest.

Left Democrats: He wasn't liberal or tough enough and me and my eight friends are deeply disillusioned.

I'm a DTLO

181 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:35:20pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Me either. And I want to be. I really do. I pray for any public leader to succeed. Even ones I don't vote for.

182 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:35:55pm

re: #176 McSpiff

Woah, stream starting up again scared the hell out of me

haha yeah!

...

And Charles killed it.

183 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:36:07pm

re: #156 Obdicut

And the Magical Balance Fairy dances.

What did you think of the speech?

Pretty much saw it coming up Pennsylvania Avenue, word for word. I'd say it probably annoyed the hell out of just about everyone in the least bit partisan, because he didn't say anything that republicans could hang him for, and he didn't lash out at Bush. I thought it was very subdued; he has been like that lately. I think he's either actually nervous (go figure), or toning it down because his pulpit style made it seem a little too much about him.

184 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:36:20pm

re: #175 Varek Raith
That phrase is gonna play itself out about as quickly as Paradigm Shift or Special Snowflake.

185 erraticsphinx  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:37:16pm

*guffaw*

Some idiot in the tcot stream mentioned how Obama pronounced Pakistan weird.

Yes, "correct" is weird.

And O*&*&^% at the stream starting up again. I was scared.

186 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:37:17pm

re: #180 Stanley Sea

Add me to the DTLO list too.

*With the exception that I occasionally go left-fringe for a few minutes, I have socialist seizures.

187 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:37:35pm

re: #183 cliffster

But what did you think of the speech?

I'm interested in that, more so than what you feel other people think about the speech.

188 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:37:43pm

re: #171 blueraven

Posturing? How so?

A better would would have been premise. If you took the Iraq war off the tables we'd still be in arrears but not as much. On that Pres and I will disagree on.

189 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:37:51pm

re: #160 Renaissance_Man

Mmm, I dunno. I honestly think that for the most part, most of the nutjob teabaggers would be totally okay if a black man were President, if he was endorsed by their demagogues. This mythical person would have to talk vaguely in motherhood statements about deficits, freedom, babies, guns, and Jesus, and would have to actively attack and spit venom at liberals at every opportunity, but I think that if he met those criteria and was thus endorsed by the demagogosphere, the majority of these low-information voters would be okay with the colour of his skin. The motherhood statements and hating liberals are far more important to the modern Conservative cultie.

You have nailed it.

190 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:38:10pm

Krauthammer

Jimmah-Ice Production.

191 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:38:14pm

re: #184 tradewind

That phrase is gonna play itself out about as quickly as Paradigm Shift or Special Snowflake.

A) You hope.

B) People are still using 'paradigm shift'. All the damn time.

192 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:38:35pm

re: #135 Obdicut

What part in the middle, Hoops? I didn't catch the whole thing.


I will let others judge the speech without passion or prejudice...
The beginning of the speech was a moment in time...The raw speech about America leaving with Victory and Honor..In my lifetime I have never watched it before.. He did very well as a Leader...And the Ending was just great...Clinton would have put the beginning with the ending and would have had most of America shaking their heads and Tears in our eyes...
The middle part? The Economy and all Campaign talk turned me off..I've effen heard it before.. This should have only been our Military and our winning a flawed war..
Thanks for bringing em home Mr. President...Fire your writers..This is all about Iraq and nothing but Iraq.. Period..
My opinion

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:38:59pm

re: #180 Stanley Sea

Kind of like this post at TPM:

Dems and Obama's poll numbers are so bad because ...

Republicans: Terrible policies and he's probably a Muslim.

Right Democrats: No CEOs in the administration. And why does he keep getting into the black thing?

Down-the-Line Obamaites: Economy's bad. Nothing he could do. Give it a rest.

Left Democrats: He wasn't liberal or tough enough and me and my eight friends are deeply disillusioned.

I'm a DTLO

LOL! Yeah, me too, except I'm not really an Obamaite, I'm a party-line Democrat.

194 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:39:32pm

re: #184 tradewind

That phrase is gonna play itself out about as quickly as Paradigm Shift or Special Snowflake.

I still laugh now and then about how my buddies and I sabotaged a special snowflake exercise. That Diversity trainer was about to cry.

195 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:39:49pm

If you use a Mac, you should really install ClickToFlash. It stops embedded Flash objects from autoloading and replaces them with a button you have to click.

It makes a huge difference. Flash is a ridiculous processor hog on the Mac. Installing ClickToFlash will let your Mac run much smoother when you're browsing the web.

196 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:39:50pm

re: #192 HoosierHoops

Heh. Is now the time to reveal that I'm related to Obama's chief speechwriter?

Distantly. My uncle's ex-wife's nephew.

Hell of a good guy, though.

I felt that what Obama was doing in the middle was calling attention to the example the military has set for us, and asking us to live up to it.

But I get where you're coming from.

197 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:40:06pm

re: #173 wozzablog

beat me to it.

You all failed though, by not posting the graphic.

[Link: comradebingo.blogspot.com...]

198 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:40:44pm

re: #196 Obdicut

Heh. Is now the time to reveal that I'm related to Obama's chief speechwriter?

Distantly. My uncle's ex-wife's nephew.

Hell of a good guy, though.

I felt that what Obama was doing in the middle was calling attention to the example the military has set for us, and asking us to live up to it.

But I get where you're coming from.

YOU'RE PRACTICALLY A MUSLIM!
///

199 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:40:44pm

re: #128 windsagio

It looks about right given the raw numbers available

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:40:48pm

re: #185 erraticsphinx

*guffaw*

Some idiot in the tcot stream mentioned how Obama pronounced Pakistan weird.

Yes, "correct" is weird.

And O*&*&^% at the stream starting up again. I was scared.

Wingnuts absolutely hate that he doesn't pronounce Pakistan with the flattened-out American A.

201 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:41:29pm

So I guess the complaint will be that he should not have mentioned the economy at all.
Of course if he had not mentioned the economy he'd get slammed for not mentioning the economy.

202 erraticsphinx  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:41:31pm

re: #195 Charles

Oh. My. God. I've been waiting a long time for someone to tell me how to do that.

Thanks Charles.

203 blueraven  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:41:38pm

re: #120 Ojoe

Here is a graph showing Iraq spending related to the whole deficit.

Try this one, from the economist

[Link: economistsview.typepad.com...]

204 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:42:39pm

The chart at The Anchoress comes from the CBO & the US Statistical Abstract:
Link

205 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:43:07pm

re: #177 Obdicut

You realize that we are our creditors, mostly, right?

Really?

I thought I, my dog, my house, my car, and all future royalties from my anti-idiotarian ditties were personally owned by a Chinese peasant couple from Guangdong province.

206 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:43:11pm

re: #184 tradewind

That phrase is gonna play itself out about as quickly as Paradigm Shift or Special Snowflake.

Oh no. Because it's starting here, it only has the world to go.

Magical Balance Fairy.

She's lovely.

207 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:43:13pm

re: #201 webevintage

I don't think he would've as most thought this speech was about our victory in Iraq and celebrating the soldiers.

It would have been a nice touch to have that happen tonight.

208 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:43:29pm

Fox is running a constant parade of old white pseudo-pundits bashing Obama's speech.

Ralph Peters just compared the speech to Nixon's Vietnamization speech. I think I'm getting a headache.

209 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:44:07pm

re: #208 Charles

Fox is running a constant parade of old white pseudo-pundits bashing Obama's speech.

Ralph Peters just compared the speech to Nixon's Vietnamization speech. I think I'm getting a headache.

Oh for fucks sake....
words fail me.

210 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:44:17pm

re: #203 blueraven

Yup the war is easily overshadowed deficit wise, and everything past 2012 is speculative. Heh, about the same as the downturn...

211 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:44:28pm

re: #205 Cato the Elder

Really?

I thought I, my dog, my house, my car, and all future royalties from my anti-idiotarian ditties were personally owned by a Chinese peasant couple from Guangdong province.

Oh, the Xiangs! They're a lovely couple. My legacy is owned by their neighbors, the Zhaos

212 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:44:30pm

I liked the signaling on the next three items on Obama's big fat to-do list, since I was starting to wonder; he's checked everything off that he had previously signaled. Coming up: 1) manufacturing industry support, 2) education, and 3) energy policy. Good stuff...

213 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:44:51pm

re: #149 cliffster

Good speech, but I doubt it will change many (if any) minds about Iraq, the President himself, or the economic mess facing the country.

It was nice to see him deal with the thorny issue of the Iraq withdrawal and end of what he's calling combat operations in Iraq. That we've still got 50,000 troops in Iraq in an advisory role (one that not only provides advise, but buttresses and supports the Iraqi military and helps with security by its very presence) means that we're far from done with Iraq - or military operations in Iraq.

It's also curious that Obama took the "neocon" (or my neoliberal) position:

Today, old adversaries are at peace, and emerging democracies are potential partners. New markets for our goods stretch from Asia to the Americas. A new push for peace in the Middle East will begin here tomorrow. Billions of young people want to move beyond the shackles of poverty and conflict. As the leader of the free world, America will do more than just defeat on the battlefield those who offer hatred and destruction — we will also lead among those who are willing to work together to expand freedom and opportunity for all people.

As far as his economic policy is concerned, the military ops did not cause a real estate bubble, and they didn't cause a runup in Wall Street - both of which popped from 2007 onwards. The President seems to think that had we not gone to war in Iraq that we would have spent a trillion dollars on other stuff (like health care reform). I don't have a time machine to reveal alternative futures and what would have been done with the money - but that spending was done in the name of national defense and there's no reason to think that it would have been spent on a massive health care overhaul. It would have simply meant a far smaller deficit at this point (and at a time when folks like Krugman are calling for still more stimulus and even greater spending-- deficit spending).

No, what we need is to let the real estate market sort itself out without further distortions - like the possibility that the Administration is considering yet another homeowner tax credit like the one that just expired. Real estate prices need to continue coming down in some markets and adjust to current market conditions - not temporary goosing of sales that rob future quarters of sales.

214 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:45:22pm

re: #195 Charles
Thanks very much.... big help.

215 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:45:32pm

How dare this man speak about the Iraq War! Who does he think he is, the president?

Wingnut

//

216 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:46:06pm

re: #203 blueraven

Try this one, from the economist

[Link: economistsview.typepad.com...]

I'm fave'ing that, its pretty devastating.

217 elizajane  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:46:06pm

OK, now I want to know which Orwell she was talking about.
My money's on *Keep the Aspidistra Flying.*

218 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:46:41pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL! Yeah, me too, except I'm not really an Obamaite, I'm a party-line Democrat.

Obamaite did kind of make me pause. But yes, I'm a yellow dog basically.

Look that old term up! (not you SFZ, ha)

219 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:46:48pm

re: #213 lawhawk

I don't get where you're going with the part about the economy. Obama was clear; if we hadn't spent it in Iraq, we could have spent it at home.

220 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:46:56pm

re: #212 elbruce

Too bad the 800 pound gorilla in the room is the expiring 2001 and 2003 tax cuts and incentive programs after 12/31/2010. If that happens, that's a huge tax hit for all Americans. Don't think for a moment that businesses aren't sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what will happen before deciding whether to invest, or sit on what meager profits they may have eeked out.

221 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:47:16pm

re: #202 erraticsphinx
That was so cool. The quiet!!

222 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:47:36pm

re: #213 lawhawk

That is deflation. Which appears to be the best cure for the economy as it removes the bubbles and foam, yet hurts more than is acceptable in the political arena. Well too bad, reality is quite distant from the politics of re election. Kinda like energy requirements and AGW.

223 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:47:38pm

re: #208 Charles

Fox is running a constant parade of old white pseudo-pundits bashing Obama's speech.

Ralph Peters just compared the speech to Nixon's Vietnamization speech. I think I'm getting a headache.

Ralph Peters. Typewriter expert.

/

224 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:47:51pm

re: #220 lawhawk

read the above link from the Economist on the impact of those cuts >>

225 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:47:52pm

Who's watching @sarahpalinusa? Any wonderful response?

Oh, and what happened to Boehner's prebuttal?

226 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:48:12pm

re: #220 lawhawk

Too bad the 800 pound gorilla in the room is the expiring 2001 and 2003 tax cuts and incentive programs after 12/31/2010. If that happens, that's a huge tax hit for all Americans. Don't think for a moment that businesses aren't sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what will happen before deciding whether to invest, or sit on what meager profits they may have eeked out.

F*** the corporations that sit on their massive profits rather than hire new workers.

227 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:48:35pm

re: #220 lawhawk

Don't think for a moment that businesses aren't sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what will happen before deciding whether to invest, or sit on what meager profits they may have eeked out.

I have a small business. It really won't matter much to me. If a 2% increase in taxes (my liability, since I'm a pass through LLC) makes me go out of business, I was bound to fail anyway.

228 mikhailtheplumber  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:48:52pm

re: #225 Stanley Sea

Who's watching @sarahpalinusa? Any wonderful response?

Oh, and what happened to Boehner's prebuttal?

Also, I wonder why don't people make more dick jokes about Boehner...
// (kindda)

229 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:48:59pm

re: #226 jamesfirecat

F*** the corporations that sit on their massive profits rather than hire new workers.

Quoted for emphasis.

How messed up is it to hear that the companies are well on their way to total recovery but just aren't hiring people?

230 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:49:01pm

re: #211 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Oh, the Xiangs! They're a lovely couple. My legacy is owned by their neighbors, the Zhaos

Yes, they're fine people, and they've not tried to meddle in my life, so far. But I hear their attorneys are the famously ruthless firm of Won Hole Bak.

231 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:49:32pm

re: #229 windsagio

Oh but I forget the unemployment numbers are the president/dems' fault and they'll have to pay the price for them in November!!!

Gah!

232 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:49:44pm

re: #220 lawhawk

Don't you think it's likely that some of the tax cuts will expire, and others won't?

That's what Obama has said he wants, anyway. That's what most of the Democratic leadership wants-- the tax cuts on the upper echelon to expire, the rest to be preserved.

So why are you talking about them all expiring?

233 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:50:12pm

re: #228 mikhailtheplumber

Because "boner" is a word from the 1950s, it is an antique word & is silly.

That is why.

234 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:50:14pm

re: #213 lawhawk

The President seems to think that had we not gone to war in Iraq that we would have spent a trillion dollars on other stuff

Oh, come on! He's not going to let that little bump in the road get in his way.

235 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:50:31pm

re: #232 Obdicut

Not to put words in his mouth, but I suspect he thinks the cuts on the highest 1% will have this terrible effect.

236 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:51:00pm

re: #226 jamesfirecat
It's called ' fiduciary duty '.
Google it.

237 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:51:11pm

Thank you to our wonderful troops for the job they have done in iraq, afghanistan, and elsewhere in the world. And I wish the best of luck to the good people in iraq, who have been handed an opportunity by their friends in the coalition for a better future. I sincerely hope that the responsible leaders in iraq not only do the right thing for their people, but also have the strength and courage to fend off the continued meddling from the islamonazis in iran, who would like nothing more than to scuttle the democratic institutions taking hold in iraq. if the people of iraq can set an example of responsible democracy in the region, all of the sacrifice made by their own people and the coalition members will have been worth it.

238 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:51:16pm

re: #231 windsagio

Oh but I forget the unemployment numbers are the president/dems' fault and they'll have to pay the price for them in November!!!

Gah!

Noooo! The inevitable midterm result of the majority losing some seats will represent nothing less than an overwhelming rejection of Teh Obama AgEnDa by Reel Amurkins!!!

I heard it on the teevee.

239 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:51:37pm

re: #6 Varek Raith

Oh, for Zod's sake, someone take the keyboard away from her.

Maybe she should kneel before Zod...

Image: Kneel_before_Zod_300.jpg

;-P

240 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:51:43pm

re: #208 Charles

Fox is running a constant parade of old white pseudo-pundits bashing Obama's speech.

Ralph Peters just compared the speech to Nixon's Vietnamization speech. I think I'm getting a headache.

That made my Unicorn snort out loud.

241 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:51:45pm

re: #231 windsagio

They are the fault of both parties.

242 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:51:57pm

re: #233 Ojoe

Man we made a ton of them for the first year! It gets tiring tho'

The Classic Boner

243 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:51:59pm

re: #220 lawhawk

Too bad the 800 pound gorilla in the room is the expiring 2001 and 2003 tax cuts and incentive programs after 12/31/2010. If that happens, that's a huge tax hit for all Americans. Don't think for a moment that businesses aren't sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what will happen before deciding whether to invest, or sit on what meager profits they may have eeked out.

Oh nevermind

244 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:51:59pm

re: #225 Stanley Sea

Who's watching @sarahpalinusa? Any wonderful response?

Oh, and what happened to Boehner's prebuttal?

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

245 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:52:14pm

re: #229 windsagio

Quoted for emphasis.

How messed up is it to hear that the companies are well on their way to total recovery but just aren't hiring people?

Small businesses are waiting for things like this to pass:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

246 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:52:18pm

re: #237 _RememberTonyC

Top 10 comment if I ever saw one.

247 mikhailtheplumber  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:52:25pm

re: #233 Ojoe

Because "boner" is a word from the 1950s, it is an antique word & is silly.

That is why.

Ah, you are obviously unacquainted with the new (sic) retro thing: blast from the past, and all that.

Boners are making a comeback!

248 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:52:33pm

re: #240 Jeff In Ohio

That made my Unicorn snort out loud.

That wasn't a snort....

249 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:52:57pm

re: #238 iceweasel

Nooo! The inevitable midterm result of the majority losing some seats will represent nothing less than an overwhelming rejection of Teh Obama AgEnDa by Reel Amurkins!!!

I heard it on the teevee.

My sister told me and she watches Fox News all the time.

//

250 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:52:59pm

re: #229 windsagio

My employer may be a small example. After hemorrhaging money and assets, and lacking clear indications of growth, he is letting current profits offset big losses, rather than hiring. Seems perfectly reasonable to me, and I lost all my help personnel wise.

251 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:53:05pm

The poor corporations with their meager profits. I haz a sad.

252 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:53:24pm

re: #230 Cato the Elder

Yes, they're fine people, and they've not tried to meddle in my life, so far. But I hear their attorneys are the famously ruthless firm of Won Hole Bak.

OH! I hear they have ties to the Axe Gang. Not to be trifled with.

Youtube Video
253 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:53:26pm

Why does John Boener wear his neckties so tight?

To keep the foreskin from rolling up.

254 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:53:27pm

re: #241 Ojoe

The real fault seems to be (if fault it is, that's a different argument) that companies are just forcing fewer workers to do more and keeping the profits.

Not sure thats a Dem/Rep thing :p

255 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:53:42pm

re: #247 mikhailtheplumber

Ah, you are obviously unacquainted with the new (sic) retro thing: blast from the past, and all that.

Boners are making a comeback!

Boner is the new black.

256 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:53:46pm

re: #243 Conservative Moonbat

Don't think for a moment that businesses aren't sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what will happen before deciding whether to invest, or sit on what meager profits they may have eeked out.

If you invest your profits, then it's a business expense, and deducted from taxable income.

257 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:53:50pm

re: #215 Gus 802

How dare this man speak about the Iraq War! Who does he think he is, the president?

Wingnut

//

heh, it's not HIS war!

258 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:54:21pm

OMFG.
Life is not fair.
BBL

259 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:54:36pm

re: #251 Cato the Elder

The poor corporations with their meager profits. I haz a sad.

I canz imagine teh pain teh banks are feelings. All teh billions and record profits and they cants loans teh moneys to small bizniz.

/

260 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:54:42pm

re: #252 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

OH! I hear they have ties to the Axe Gang. Not to be trifled with.


[Video]

Kung Fu Hustle. Great Movie!

261 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:54:49pm

re: #246 Ojoe

Top 10 comment if I ever saw one.

thank you, Ojoe

262 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:54:56pm

re: #227 samuraishake

Admittedly not a numbers expert, I have to wonder what those tax cuts really accomplished in the long run. Weren't companies still exporting jobs at record rates, despite the cuts? Wouldn't it have meant more profit for the same amount of liability and production? (I could conceive businesses happy to pocket the profit without changing their business model whatsoever.) I don't know the tax cuts promoted new or expanded business at a rate high enough to matter to the job force or the economy, overall.

In an earlier thread, I stated how numbers elude me, so I'm probably waving my ignorance around.

263 captdiggs  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:55:07pm

re: #164 elbruce

That'd be the Frankenstein guy with the fish-eye stare, right? The one who calmly advocates murdering Iranians by the thousand? Well I guess he'd be an expert on "flat and cold."

I did a search, and for the life of me I can't find a single article with a quote from Krauthammer advocating mass murder of any group of people.
Could you supply a link.

264 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:55:21pm

re: #241 Ojoe

They are the fault of both parties.

BALANCE FAIR ALERT!


Seriously the Democrats are just to blame as the Republican who keep trying to block every attempt to stimulate the economy!

265 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:55:34pm

re: #219 Obdicut

We could have spent it at home? You're assuming that we'd have run up massive deficits above and beyond those already incurred? That's a mighty huge assumption.

Moreover, the economic analysis here does pass muster based on the CBO figures - the Iraq war as a portion of spending over the past seven years is just under the amount of spending done by Obama and the Democrats in just one year. Deficits were actually declining before Democrats took over the House and then the White House.

But, let's go with your notion that the spending on the war was bad and should have been spent on alternatives. If the war and the spending on the war was bad (but actually helped several industries - including aerospace, tech, high tech, manufacturing, etc.) where exactly is that money harming the economy? You're just prioritizing spending on different industries - or social programs, even when those social programs haven't exactly worked out as promoted.

266 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:55:41pm

The left hates corporations.

The right hates government.

Oh noes, what will we do? A king, a king! It is a wonderful thing!

267 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:55:42pm

re: #262 theheat

They did totally make the extremely rich richer!

Too bad that we've known Trickle-down is a crock since at least the mid-80s.

268 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:55:56pm

re: #257 Stanley Sea

heh, it's not HIS war!

You lie!

/

269 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:56:00pm

re: #266 BigPapa

The left hates corporations.

The right hates government.

Oh noes, what will we do? A king, a king! It is a wonderful thing!

I accept.

270 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:56:07pm

re: #228 mikhailtheplumber
Probably because it's pronounced
' bainer '.
Don't worry, after he takes the gavel,
it'll be a pun-a-palooza.

271 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:56:35pm

re: #262 theheat

Well, C & S Corps work differently than an LLC, which I have. I also don't really know how the numbers work out in the end, but it's profitable to send jobs overseas for those types. Me, on the other hand? No, I couldn't make ANY money doing that.

272 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:56:45pm

Meanwhile at Hot Air:

I wish I was in the land of cotton,
Old times there are not forgotten;
Look away! Look away! Look away, Dixie's Land!
In Dixie's Land where I was born in,
Early on one frosty morning,
Look away! Look away! Look away, Dixie's Land!

//

273 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:57:02pm

re: #253 PT Barnum

Why does John Boener wear his neckties so tight?

To keep the foreskin from rolling up.

That was crass, tasteless, and juvenile. Worthy of an upding.

274 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:57:15pm

As fun as it is to argue with the Unified Church of the Tax Cut, this blurry screen is giving me a headache. Talk to y'all later >>

275 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:57:18pm

re: #187 Obdicut

But what did you think of the speech?

I'm interested in that, more so than what you feel other people think about the speech.

I didn't really think anything of it. I was glad he didn't lash out against Bush or against the war, but I wish he had shown more excitement about the value of the mission itself. Neither of those things were going to happen. There's really nothing to say about the speech, unless you're paid to talk about presidential speeches in which case you say "blah, blah, blah..."

276 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:57:23pm

re: #272 Gus 802

Meanwhile at Hot Air:

//


I wanna go back to Dixie
Take me back to dear ol' Dixie
That's the only li'l ol' place for li'l ol' me
Ol' times there are not forgotten
Whuppin' slaves and sellin' cotton
And waitin' for the Robert E. Lee (it was never there on time)

277 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:57:25pm

re: #249 Gus 802

My sister told me and she watches Fox News all the time.

//

Yay Gus is here! S'up? What have I missed?

278 bratwurst  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:57:35pm

re: #195 Charles

If you use a Mac, you should really install ClickToFlash. It stops embedded Flash objects from autoloading and replaces them with a button you have to click.

It makes a huge difference. Flash is a ridiculous processor hog on the Mac. Installing ClickToFlash will let your Mac run much smoother when you're browsing the web.

Will this work with Firefox?

279 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:57:46pm

Ah, the joy of listening to the President while driving, without the distraction of trying to liveblog it. I thought the President's speech was good, and I was especially happy to hear him speak of our economic responsibilities (i.e. job creation). I was hoping he'd lay the groundwork for some pre-November policy fights, and he did. Expect to hear of a proposal for another large stimulus package, which will make the Republicans shit themselves as they'll have to argue against giving Americans jobs in order to go against the President. Good luck with that, I say.

280 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:58:30pm

re: #233 Ojoe

Because "boner" is a word from the 1950s, it is an antique word & is silly.

That is why.

Boner is an excellent word. You take that back right now.

281 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:58:30pm

re: #265 lawhawk

We could have spent it at home? You're assuming that we'd have run up massive deficits above and beyond those already incurred? That's a mighty huge assumption.

I said, simply, we could have spent it at home. We did spend the money. It wouldn't have been running up deficits beyond what we did. So I have no idea, really, what you mean by it being a huge assumption. We really did spend that amount of money.

But, let's go with your notion that the spending on the war was bad and should have been spent on alternatives.

Do not put words in my mouth. Do not do that.

Why would you do that? You're smarter than that.

282 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:59:10pm

re: #277 iceweasel

Yay Gus is here! S'up? What have I missed?

Hi Ice! With me? Not much. Getting by and getting over another problem with my chassis. Nothing new -- didn't win the lottery damn it. What's new with you? How's the finger?

283 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:59:20pm

re: #275 cliffster

Um, cliffster, isn't that a little insulting to the people here who are talking about the speech?

284 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:59:29pm

re: #227 samuraishake

You're not having a 2% increase. The increases will be anywhere from 33% to 10% or more, and capital gains taxes will hammer those who invest.

285 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:59:30pm

re: #275 cliffster

I wish he had shown more excitement about the value of the mission itself.

oh please....Yeah, I have concerns too. Why couldn't there have been more American flags, huh? And a big banner saying Mission Accomplished behind him would have really shown his 'excitement about the mission'.

gag

286 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:59:41pm

re: #266 BigPapa

The left hates corporations.

The right hates government.

Oh noes, what will we do? A king, a king! It is a wonderful thing!

And then he dies, and his snot-dribbling eldest son takes over. Or Snot-Nose the Second starts a war with his smartass younger brother. Over a fight they had years ago about who would get the last drumstick out of the chicken bucket.

287 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:00:06pm

re: #271 samuraishake

I personally know several businesses that exported their manufacturing overseas, while the tax cuts were in full force. If it was to promote domestic jobs and manufacturing, I'd have to say it failed in those cases. They went for higher profit margins w/overseas manufacturing, pure and simple.

288 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:00:13pm

re: #15 BigPapa

Good job refudiating immediatiously Sarah!

Actually, Sarah was PRE-fudiating the president.

289 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:00:33pm

re: #275 cliffster

I didn't really think anything of it. I was glad he didn't lash out against Bush or against the war, but I wish he had shown more excitement about the value of the mission itself. Neither of those things were going to happen. There's really nothing to say about the speech, unless you're paid to talk about presidential speeches in which case you say "blah, blah, blah..."

The value of the mission itself?
and that was?
I'm serious, I see no value...all I see are a huge amount of dead Americans and Iraqis.

290 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:00:45pm

re: #284 lawhawk

You're not having a 2% increase. The increases will be anywhere from 33% to 10% or more, and capital gains taxes will hammer those who invest.

Why are you acting as though Obama and the Democratic leadership are talking about letting all of them expire?

I'd really love to know.

291 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:00:50pm

re: #272 Gus 802

Meanwhile at Hot Air:


//

Youtube Video

Dixie fanatics hate that one.

292 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:00:56pm

re: #265 lawhawk


But, let's go with your notion that the spending on the war was bad and should have been spent on alternatives. If the war and the spending on the war was bad (but actually helped several industries - including aerospace, tech, high tech, manufacturing, etc.) where exactly is that money harming the economy? You're just prioritizing spending on different industries - or social programs, even when those social programs haven't exactly worked out as promoted.

Spending on the war wasn't bad. Increasing spending while cutting taxes was bad. Generally when you increase spending you want to increase revenues to match. Bush didn't do that. In fact he was the first leader in the history of the world to cut taxes in a time of war. Now mankind has had a lot of wars over the years and it seems like it should have some basic principles of how to run a war pretty much down pat. I'd say one of principles is that you don't make huge tax cuts you can't afford in the middle of a war.

293 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:00:56pm

re: #286 Cato the Elder

Aren't you Roman Cato? I will take your word on how kings and lineage work out. Seems your people have had some experience.

294 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:01:02pm

re: #285 iceweasel

oh please...Yeah, I have concerns too. Why couldn't there have been more American flags, huh? And a big banner saying Mission Accomplished behind him would have really shown his 'excitement about the mission'.

gag

Hey. He could have pretended to land on the USS Ronald Reagan and wear a cock and balls enhancing jock strap under his flight suit.

//

295 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:01:22pm

re: #261 _RememberTonyC

RTC, I read so much last night on Tony Conigliaro. Thank you.

296 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:01:55pm

re: #289 webevintage

The value of the mission itself?
and that was?
I'm serious, I see no value...all I see are a huge amount of dead Americans and Iraqis.

I reckon there are going to be people who see things like that.. too bad.

297 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:01:58pm

re: #278 bratwurst

Will this work with Firefox?

Look for the flashblock firefox extension.

298 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:02:30pm

re: #282 Gus 802

Hi Ice! With me? Not much. Getting by and getting over another problem with my chassis. Nothing new -- didn't win the lottery damn it. What's new with you? How's the finger?

Same. Sorry about the chassis. And the lottery!
Spending lots of time paintin' and cookin' and nestifying. Can't type still really. Missed you loads!

299 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:03:14pm

re: #284 lawhawk

You're not having a 2% increase. The increases will be anywhere from 33% to 10% or more, and capital gains taxes will hammer those who invest.

Umm...I'm not sure how you know so much about my business, it's kind of creepy.
No, my tax liability will not go up that much. If money is invested in equipment, it's a tax deductible write-off. If it's invested elsewhere, the capital gains tax will only apply once profits have been made and cashed out. Either way, I have to make money to be taxed on it.

If I don't spend the money, and thereby don't help the economy, I will be taxed more. So, in a way, taxes are a good incentive to invest. But, as I said earlier, I'm a really small business, operating as an LLC, so I don't have to worry about that much anyway.

300 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:03:50pm

re: #293 brownbagj

Aren't you Roman Cato? I will take your word on how kings and lineage work out. Seems your people have had some experience.

Well, shucks. We did invent the res publica (republic), and it worked very well until we - cough! - let the military take over.

301 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:03:54pm

re: #293 brownbagj

emperors there's a difference

302 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:04:01pm

re: #298 iceweasel

Same. Sorry about the chassis. And the lottery!
Spending lots of time paintin' and cookin' and nestifying. Can't type still really. Missed you loads!

What, do I smell?!?!
/
Hi!

303 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:04:20pm

re: #289 webevintage

I think the price was very high in terms of lives lost.

I also think we have yet to see if the cost is overcome by freedom or if corrupt government makes this all a waste.

I would say the jury is out on whether this war was of any value or not, and ultimately, that is up to what the Iraqis do from this point forward.

We won't know for a while.

304 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:04:53pm

re: #299 samuraishake

I just started up my corporation myself. I have a shoebox for receipts now. It's a very official shoebox.

And I just foundout that an old friend is the COO of the Freelancers Union here in NYC. I'm hoping she can give me some sage advice on some of the ins and outs of small business ownership.

305 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:05:01pm

re: #303 brownbagj

that much is true

306 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:05:04pm

re: #191 Obdicut

people are still using Paradigm Shift


Maybe Will Shortz and Alex Trebek./

307 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:05:16pm

re: #283 Obdicut

Um, cliffster, isn't that a little insulting to the people here who are talking about the speech?

And not even being paid for it.

308 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:05:25pm

Obama used the word "the" 125 times!

This is an outrage!

Ed Morrissey

309 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:05:28pm

re: #283 Obdicut

Um, cliffster, isn't that a little insulting to the people here who are talking about the speech?

er, I don't particularly think so. I guess if you're just looking to feel insulted by something, that might work.

310 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:05:36pm

re: #304 Obdicut

I just started up my corporation myself. I have a shoebox for receipts now. It's a very official shoebox.

And I just foundout that an old friend is the COO of the Freelancers Union here in NYC. I'm hoping she can give me some sage advice on some of the ins and outs of small business ownership.

Just promise you'll never work for EA again.
/...?
:)

311 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:06:09pm

re: #304 Obdicut

Congrats. It's a lot easier than it's made out to be. The taxes aren't bad either.

312 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:06:09pm

re: #301 Boondock St. Bender

Very true. But in snarking, I wasn't trying to be too correct. Or something like that.

313 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:06:21pm

re: #298 iceweasel

Same. Sorry about the chassis. And the lottery!
Spending lots of time paintin' and cookin' and nestifying. Can't type still really. Missed you loads!

Hope it's not too cold over there.

314 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:06:36pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

RTC, I read so much last night on Tony Conigliaro. Thank you.

very cool ..... he was a courageous guy who got a raw deal on the field and in his post baseball life. a movie on his life would be very compelling, but also depressing. thanks for looking into his life.

315 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:06:38pm

re: #309 cliffster

er, I don't particularly think so. I guess if you're just looking to feel insulted by something, that might work.

I'm not looking to be insulted at all, Cliff. I'm just gently pointing out that saying talking about the speech being a waste of time in a thread dedicated to talking about the speech is perhaps not the most tactful thing in the world.

I know you mean no offense whatsoever.

316 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:06:59pm

re: #312 brownbagj

so was i...lol

317 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:07:13pm

re: #294 Gus 802

Hey. He could have pretended to land on the USS Ronald Reagan and wear a cock and balls enhancing jock strap under his flight suit.

//

Yeah, Chris Matthews could tell us all again about the flight suit. /

Mission Accomplished: A look back at the media's fawning coverage of Bush's premature declaration of victory in Iraq

ATTHEWS: The president there -- look at this guy! We're watching him. He looks like he flew the plane. He only flew it as a passenger, but he's flown --

CADDELL: He looks like a fighter pilot.

MATTHEWS: He looks for real. What is it about the commander in chief role, the hat that he does wear, that makes him -- I mean, he seems like -- he didn't fight in a war, but he looks like he does.

Women like a guy who's president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It's simple. We're not like the Brits. We don't want an indoor prime minister type, or the Danes or the Dutch or the Italians, or a [Russian Federation President Vladimir] Putin. Can you imagine Putin getting elected here? We want a guy as president.

lord I hate Chris Matthews.

318 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:07:27pm

My God! Does this man ever stop thinking about himself? He used the word "I" fourteen times!

Wingnut

125 the
94 and
92 of
85 our
75 to
59 a
52 in
45 that
41 we
41 have
34 iraq
31 is
30 as
29 s
28 for
23 their
22 who
21 this
21 people
18 will
18 war
18 iraqi
17 are
16 with
16 they
15 it
14 must
14 i

319 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:07:30pm

re: #220 lawhawk

Too bad the 800 pound gorilla in the room is the expiring 2001 and 2003 tax cuts and incentive programs after 12/31/2010. If that happens, that's a huge tax hit for all Americans.

Well, if you don't count the bottom 98% as Americans...


re: #220 lawhawk

Don't think for a moment that businesses aren't sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what will happen before deciding whether to invest, or sit on what meager profits they may have eeked out.

Investment is doing just fine. The Dow was the first thing to rebound - the only thing as yet, actually. But it still rebounded.

320 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:07:58pm

re: #302 Varek Raith

What, do I smell?!?!
/
Hi!

hey varek! Destroyed any galaxies lately? That I need to know about?

321 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:08:00pm

re: #272 Gus 802
Cracka, please.
That'd be ' Dixie Land ', not 'Dixie's Land '.
If you're going to mock, at least spell-check.///

322 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:08:59pm

re: #314 _RememberTonyC

Oh, man, that name just sank in. I totally missed that that was who your name was for.

You are absolutely right. Hell of a dark story, but a great one. He persevered. He showed the world what he was made of.

Lesser men would have simply vanished into despair.

323 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:09:21pm

Dow Turns in Worst August Since 2001

324 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:09:28pm

re: #315 Obdicut

I'm not looking to be insulted at all, Cliff. I'm just gently pointing out that saying talking about the speech being a waste of time in a thread dedicated to talking about the speech is perhaps not the most tactful thing in the world.

I know you mean no offense whatsoever.

And I meant none either. What I'm saying is, there was absolutely nothing unexpected that came out of it. It was pretty much exactly the speech I thought he'd give.

325 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:09:40pm

re: #321 tradewind

Cracka, please.
That'd be ' Dixie Land ', not 'Dixie's Land '.
If you're going to mock, at least spell-check.///

Dixie's Land

Image: Dixe%27s_Land_Sheet_Music.jpg

326 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:09:48pm

re: #319 elbruce

Well, if you don't count the bottom 98% as Americans...

Zing!

327 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:09:50pm

re: #318 Gus 802


85 our


Communist!

328 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:09:56pm

re: #324 cliffster

Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.

329 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:10:15pm

re: #317 iceweasel

Yeah, Chris Matthews could tell us all again about the flight suit. /

Mission Accomplished: A look back at the media's fawning coverage of Bush's premature declaration of victory in Iraq

lord I hate Chris Matthews.

Yeah. People forgot about "that other tingle" Matthews was feeling early on.

330 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:10:29pm

re: #320 iceweasel

hey varek! Destroyed any galaxies lately? That I need to know about?

He had a cunning plan until it was undone by a brother and sister who seemed a bit too close and their band of renegade muppets

331 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:10:29pm

re: #320 iceweasel

hey varek! Destroyed any galaxies lately? That I need to know about?

Things could be better but I can't complain too much.
Lost a fight with an appliance, I hear?

332 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:10:31pm

re: #317 iceweasel

Mathews is such a tool. How does he sleep at night popping boners on the air like that.

333 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:10:40pm

re: #323 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Dow Turns in Worst August Since 2001


But in the past year it's gone up by almost 50%. Context is everything.

334 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:10:54pm

re: #325 Gus 802

Dixie's Land

Image: Dixe%27s_Land_Sheet_Music.jpg

Tradewinds blow.

335 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:10:56pm

re: #319 elbruce

It may have rebounded - but I do NOT trust it. It rebounded on nothing as far as I can tell. I cannot find many people who feel that this is a real rebound.

336 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:10:59pm

re: #329 Gus 802

perhaps he's a power groupie?

337 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:11:03pm

re: #290 Obdicut

Why are you acting as though Obama and the Democratic leadership are talking about letting all of them expire?

I'd really love to know.

[Link: www.forbes.com...]

There is no legislation pending or being acted upon at present to adjust the rates. Right now, the Democrats are trying to figure out how to pivot on extending the Bush cuts (all while demonizing them) and managing to hold on to their own voters.

Or maybe you can proffer a link to legislation now pending that would deal with the expiring EGTRRA and JGTRRA changes...

338 avanti  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:11:38pm

Crazy Pam has another scoop, there are TWO mosques on sacred ground. You see, the site of the flight 93 memorial is a tribute to Isalm. (No, not kidding)

"An Islamic shaped crescent, soaring in the sky above the symbolic lives of the 40 heroes, which literally dangle down below. In Islam, there is only heaven and hell. Symbolic damnation?

The Flight 93 mosque needs to be stopped, along with the Islamic victory mosque at ground zero in Manhattan. May the fight against these two desecrations strengthen each other."

339 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:11:39pm

re: #303 brownbagj
It's not as if the bill has been settled.
It's a little disingenuous to say that combat troops are all out.
The fifty thousand men and women who are left aren't wearing day-glo jackets and manning crossing guards.
They're armed and are expected to pick up those arms whenever they have to.

340 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:11:44pm

re: #330 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

He had a cunning plan until it was undone by a brother and sister who seemed a bit too close and their band of renegade muppets

Don't you have over priced toys to be painting?
/

341 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:11:57pm

re: #329 Gus 802

Yeah. People forgot about "that other tingle" Matthews was feeling early on.

Also how long the love affair with Bush lasted. In 2005 Matthews was still burbling that Bush "glimmers with sunny nobility" and said "everyone likes the persident".

342 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:12:02pm

re: #263 captdiggs

I did a search, and for the life of me I can't find a single article with a quote from Krauthammer advocating mass murder of any group of people.
Could you supply a link.

Well, here's one of his "attack Iran" things. Here's another. You do realize that Iran is a nation full of human beings, right? When you're talking about a bombing campaign you're talking about killing people.

343 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:12:08pm

re: #328 Obdicut

Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.

As for the other part, about the "blah, blah, blah", it struck me that the speech was so completely expected, that the political commentators were stuck in the same kinds of situations like when sports commentators are in when there's an injury, or a timeout, or whatever kind of lull in action. They have to fill the air with words when there's really nothing to say. It had nothing to do with people on here discussing the speech.

344 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:12:30pm

re: #335 brownbagj

its that lack of confidence that continues a recession(not without good reason)

345 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:13:03pm

re: #331 Varek Raith

Things could be better but I can't complain too much.
Lost a fight with an appliance, I hear?

Yes, damned carrots had their revenge on me for slicing them.
On the other hand, Jimmah liked the soup even with its seekrit ingredient. /

346 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:13:06pm

Here you go Varek

Rare unseen Star Wars Photos

My personal favorite;

Image: 46160_462984431741_235374096741_6391682_4327319_n.jpg

347 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:13:10pm

OT: but four seconds of funny.

Youtube Video
348 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:13:42pm

Rachel is quite good tonight on the "why" we went to war in Iraq....

349 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:13:50pm

re: #340 Varek Raith

Don't you have over priced toys to be painting?
/

Filthy Xenos.

350 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:13:54pm

re: #346 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Here you go Varek

Rare unseen Star Wars Photos

My personal favorite;

Image: 46160_462984431741_235374096741_6391682_4327319_n. jpg

Neat!

351 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:14:07pm

re: #339 tradewind

True, but ultimately this will fall on the will of the Iraqis and their ability to form a nation or become tribal again.

352 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:15:05pm

re: #323 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Dow Turns in Worst August Since 2001

Then what am I looking at here?

[Link: www.google.com...]

353 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:15:38pm

re: #319 elbruce

I guess I'm in the bottom 98% and I'd see a huge tax hit. So would the rest of my family, most of the people I know, and most New Yorkers. But don't let the facts get in the way of a beautifully worded retort.

Investment isn't exactly doing fine. The markets are still down nearly 40% from their previous highs. They are off the multiyear lows, but that just means that they've returned to a more rational figure. Doesn't exactly prove your point.

DJIA at its high was over 14,000. Now, it's hovering at 10,000. That's recovery? Manufacturing figures are down, car sales are down. Durables are down. That's not a ringing endorsement for recovery.

354 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:16:01pm

re: #346 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Thanks...I think I found my new response to trolls...

Image: 47323_462984561741_235374096741_6391696_5940476_n.jpg

355 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:16:06pm

re: #348 webevintage

Rachel is quite good tonight on the "why" we went to war in Iraq...

Yeah, until Dick Cheney somehow sabotaged her lapel mike. That was weird.

356 Coracle  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:16:29pm

re: #337 lawhawk

Legislation to extend the bottom 98% will be proposed after current recess is over. I'd bet on it. I think you can count on it as an election issue. I haven't heard a single Democrat campaigning on or even hinting at letting the middle and lower class tax cuts expire. have you?

357 Kragar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:17:06pm

re: #354 darthstar

Thanks...I think I found my new response to trolls...

Image: 47323_462984561741_235374096741_6391696_5940476_n. jpg

I always thought of you more like this

Image: 46160_462984426741_235374096741_6391681_771645_n.jpg

358 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:17:12pm

re: #337 lawhawk


There is no legislation pending or being acted upon at present to adjust the rates.

Which is irrelevant.

Right now, the Democrats are trying to figure out how to pivot on extending the Bush cuts (all while demonizing them) and managing to hold on to their own voters.

Actually, they've been very, very specific about wanting to let the breaks for the top 1% expire and not the rest.

But thank you for admitting that they plan on extending them. Even as you somehow cast doubt that they will by talking about there being no current legislation doing so.

Good grief.

359 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:17:13pm

re: #272 Gus 802

Meanwhile at Hot Air:

//

LOL

360 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:17:52pm

re: #357 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I wish...my belly hasn't been that flat in a while now.

361 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:18:08pm

re: #329 Gus 802

Yeah. People forgot about "that other tingle" Matthews was feeling early on.

Media fawning over Bush never got the same meme-quality status as media fawning over Obama.

362 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:18:24pm

re: #356 Coracle

Are these 98% all income tax payers? If not, 98% seems like an unfair number to claim. They will get a larger check back when they never paid income tax in the first place.

Aren't we nearing 50% of working Americans not paying an income tax?

363 palomino  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:18:29pm

re: #74 Ojoe

I think it is maybe 15 % ? I'll see what I can find

This may help. Warning: it can't all be blamed on Obama.

364 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:19:25pm

re: #362 brownbagj

Are these 98% all income tax payers? If not, 98% seems like an unfair number to claim. They will get a larger check back when they never paid income tax in the first place.

Aren't we nearing 50% of working Americans not paying an income tax?

So what?

People who don't pay income taxes still pay several other taxes to help keep America in the black... or at least to try and do it...

365 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:19:32pm

re: #338 avanti

Crazy Pam has another scoop, there are TWO mosques on sacred ground. You see, the site of the flight 93 memorial is a tribute to Isalm. (No, not kidding)

"An Islamic shaped crescent, soaring in the sky above the symbolic lives of the 40 heroes, which literally dangle down below. In Islam, there is only heaven and hell. Symbolic damnation?

The Flight 93 mosque needs to be stopped, along with the Islamic victory mosque at ground zero in Manhattan. May the fight against these two desecrations strengthen each other."

Oh, Jaysus, are they back to this crap again? I was hearing that one two or three years ago.

366 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:20:05pm

re: #322 Obdicut

Oh, man, that name just sank in. I totally missed that that was who your name was for.

You are absolutely right. Hell of a dark story, but a great one. He persevered. He showed the world what he was made of.

Lesser men would have simply vanished into despair.

thanks Obdi .... he has always been my hero. And that fact that you, Stanley Sea, and others took the time to "remember" Tony C means a lot to me.

367 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:20:14pm

re: #362 brownbagj

Are these 98% all income tax payers? If not, 98% seems like an unfair number to claim. They will get a larger check back when they never paid income tax in the first place.

Aren't we nearing 50% of working Americans not paying an income tax?

What, payroll, state, SS, FICA taxes don't count?!

368 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:20:23pm

re: #364 jamesfirecat

So what? we are talking about income tax rates are we not? And, if "rates" are lowered for those 98% that will include some who do not pay income taxes?

How is this not relevant to an income tax discussion?

369 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:20:34pm

re: #365 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, Jaysus, are they back to this crap again? I was hearing that one two or three years ago.

The lunatics almost destroyed the architect during that time.

370 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:20:48pm

re: #367 Varek Raith

Sure they do. Who said they didn't? Aren't we having an income tax discussion?

371 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:20:49pm

re: #308 Gus 802

Obama used the word "the" 125 times!

This is an outrage!

Ed Morrissey

You know who else had a similar penchant for that word?

Yep - HITLER!

Jonah Goldberg.

372 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:21:05pm

re: #367 Varek Raith

What, payroll, state, SS, FICA taxes don't count?!

Not enough, they don''t.

373 Racer X  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:21:55pm

re: #323 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Dow Turns in Worst August Since 2001

I'm betting it turns around. I just picked up my investments significantly (while the picking is good!).

374 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:22:02pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

Not enough, they don''t.

I meant it more in the "if you don't pay income taxes, you don't pay taxes" meme.

375 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:22:12pm

The Islamic Supremacists are Dancing and Rubbing Their Hooves in Glee.

"Hooves?"

Are we talking about ... Satan?

376 Coracle  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:22:23pm

re: #362 brownbagj

Are these 98% all income tax payers? If not, 98% seems like an unfair number to claim. They will get a larger check back when they never paid income tax in the first place.

It's the bottom 98% of income earners. The $250k joint/$200k single numbers that are being talked about. I don't think you need repeated the long standing position of the Dems and admin that cuts to the the top 2% - those earning more than $250k/$200k should be allowed to expire.

Aren't we nearing 50% of working Americans not paying an income tax?

I don't know those numbers. I'm wondering how many of those are being bamboozled into thinking _they_ pay too much tax.

377 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:22:23pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

Not enough, they don''t.

"Not enough" for what Dark?

378 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:22:29pm

re: #374 Varek Raith

Who has said that? I hope you are not putting words in my mouth.

379 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:22:54pm

re: #369 Gus 802

The lunatics almost destroyed the architect during that time.

The mosque designer?

380 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:22:55pm

re: #371 Jimmah

You know who else had a similar penchant for that word?

Yep - HITLER!

Jonah Goldberg.

Y'Know what comes AFtEr 'The'?...."COMMUNisT MaNIfESto"!11

Glenn Beck.

(insert swirly lines, random misspellings)

381 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:23:13pm

re: #378 brownbagj

Who has said that? I hope you are not putting words in my mouth.

I fully reserve the right to make a fool of myself.
Sorry.

382 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:23:14pm

re: #366 _RememberTonyC

thanks Obdi ... he has always been my hero. And that fact that you, Stanley Sea, and others took the time to "remember" Tony C means a lot to me.

I forget which book it was that I read that had him in it-- I read a lot of baseball books-- but there was one that had just a great portrayal of him. Not a phony sweetness and light one, but a kind of grim one, showing a man who had been smacked down by fate but was unwilling to accept that, who clawed his way back, not to where he had been, but to a better place than anyone thought he could get to.

I admire him.

383 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:23:18pm

re: #379 SanFranciscoZionist

The mosque designer?

No. The one for the Flight 93 memorial.

384 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:23:50pm

re: #376 Coracle

Thank you for the clarification! This is all I was asking. I didn't understand what the 98% constituted.

385 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:23:56pm

re: #375 Charles

The Islamic Supremacists are Dancing and Rubbing Their Hooves in Glee.

"Hooves?"

Are we talking about ... Satan?

Or springboks. Maybe gemboks. Who can tell?

386 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:24:13pm

re: #186 windsagio

Add me to the DTLO list too.

*With the exception that I occasionally go left-fringe for a few minutes, I have socialist seizures.

lol socialist seizures. I think my mom suffers from those.

387 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:24:23pm

re: #375 Charles

OH THE HYPERBOLE!!!

388 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:24:28pm

re: #383 Gus 802

No. The one for the Flight 93 memorial.

What happened? Did they spy on his countertops too?

389 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:24:29pm

re: #383 Gus 802

No. The one for the Flight 93 memorial.

Missile Defense logos!!!

390 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:24:44pm

re: #383 Gus 802

No. The one for the Flight 93 memorial.

I meant him. I was being...oh, never mind.

391 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:24:45pm

re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist

Dik-diks.

Image: dikdiks.jpg

392 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:24:52pm

re: #164 elbruce
Wow.
Your dislike of his politics notwithstanding, that ' Frankenstein Guy ' graduated with honors from Harvard medical school despite being paralyzed in a college diving accident
his first year..... became Chief Resident at Mass General, a board-certified specialist in psychiatry, and with a colleague discovered and identified a secondary mania that is included in today's textbook definitions of bi-polar disease. Worked in the Carter administration as a special medical advisor.
Not really so flat, or cold.

393 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:24:54pm

re: #325 Gus 802

Dixie's Land

Image: Dixe%27s_Land_Sheet_Music.jpg

I'm behind in comments, but must: Gus does it again. Woo!

394 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:24:56pm

re: #381 Varek Raith

No worries. I do understand that it would be easy to jump to that conclusion as some do think that.

I do not. We all pay somehow. I just wanted to understand more about this particular part of the discussion.

No harm done.

395 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:25:50pm

re: #391 Obdicut

Dik-diks.

Image: dikdiks.jpg

That thing looks too cute to be an Islamic supremacist.

396 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:25:54pm

re: #191 Obdicut

A) You hope.

B) People are still using 'paradigm shift'. All the damn time.

Yep. That one is from 1995. I know because my brother-in-law had it as his company logo back then.

397 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:26:26pm

re: #375 Charles

The Islamic Supremacists are Dancing and Rubbing Their Hooves in Glee.

"Hooves?"

Are we talking about ... Satan?

I am beginning to believe Pamela Geller couldn't say "I love you" without making it sound hateful.

398 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:26:29pm

re: #393 Stanley Sea

I'm behind in comments, but must: Gus does it again. Woo!

Different lyrics can be found here:

[Link: en.wikisource.org...]

399 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:26:32pm

re: #353 lawhawk

I guess I'm in the bottom 98% and I'd see a huge tax hit. So would the rest of my family, most of the people I know, and most New Yorkers. But don't let the facts get in the way of a beautifully worded retort.

According to this Forbes article, the only real things I see that might need adjusting to avoid hitting the middle class would be re-establishing the 10% tax bracket instead of allowing those people to kick up to the 15%, and probably restoring the fix on the "marriage penalty."

But there's no reason we can't re-up those provisions without just renewing the entire thing the way Bush wrote it.

re: #353 lawhawk

Investment isn't exactly doing fine. The markets are still down nearly 40% from their previous highs. They are off the multiyear lows, but that just means that they've returned to a more rational figure. Doesn't exactly prove your point.

DJIA at its high was over 14,000. Now, it's hovering at 10,000. That's recovery? Manufacturing figures are down, car sales are down. Durables are down. That's not a ringing endorsement for recovery.

Here's the Dow 10-year chart again:

[Link: www.google.com...]

The recovery seems to be leveling out at the 10K level; I'd like to see it ramp up like it has up until early this year. But I don't see anything here that you can blame Obama for.

This just sounds like the usual complaint - a Republican breaks everything, and then when a Democrat starts to try to clean it up, everbody points their fingers and blames him for the mess. Bush trashed the entire economy to a greater degree than has been seen since the Great Depression, and what you're upset about is that Obama hasn't brought us back to pre-crash levels within the first 21 months of his Presidency?!?

And before you go all "blaming Bush is sooo 2008" let me pre-emptively remind you that I only blame Bush when others blame Obama for what Bush did.

400 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:26:37pm

re: #392 tradewind

Wow.
Your dislike of his politics notwithstanding, that ' Frankenstein Guy ' graduated with honors from Harvard medical school despite being paralyzed in a college diving accident
his first year... became Chief Resident at Mass General, a board-certified specialist in psychiatry, and with a colleague discovered and identified a secondary mania that is included in today's textbook definitions of bi-polar disease. Worked in the Carter administration as a special medical advisor.
Not really so flat, or cold.

Smart, clearly. You haven't disproven 'flat' or 'cold'.

401 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:26:47pm

re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist

Just what it wants you to think.

Youtube Video
402 Racer X  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:26:48pm

re: #392 tradewind

Wow.
Your dislike of his politics notwithstanding, that ' Frankenstein Guy ' graduated with honors from Harvard medical school despite being paralyzed in a college diving accident
his first year... became Chief Resident at Mass General, a board-certified specialist in psychiatry, and with a colleague discovered and identified a secondary mania that is included in today's textbook definitions of bi-polar disease. Worked in the Carter administration as a special medical advisor.
Not really so flat, or cold.

Psshh.

He's an 'R' so I hate his guts.

/

403 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:26:52pm

re: #323 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Dow Turns in Worst August Since 2001

Does that matter?
I'm asking because it may be the worst August since 2001, but it looks better then where we were from sometime in Oct. 2008 to Sept 2009.

404 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:26:57pm

re: #396 prairiefire

It will take a paradigm shift for everyone to stop using paradigm shift.

405 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:27:00pm

re: #339 tradewind

It's not as if the bill has been settled.
It's a little disingenuous to say that combat troops are all out.
The fifty thousand men and women who are left aren't wearing day-glo jackets and manning crossing guards.
They're armed and are expected to pick up those arms whenever they have to.

Ya'll dance to whatever's playing.

406 Cheechako  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:27:51pm

All taxpayers with employer provided health insurance are going to be hit hard with new HCR taxes in January. The amount you and your employer pays for health insurance is going to become part of your taxable gross income. That's supposed to be the revenue to help pay for coverage for all the uninsured people.

You'll see this in January when your fed tax withholding goes up.

407 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:28:02pm

re: #399 elbruce

Some of what you said I agree with. However, you can't say that Bush trashed the economy. He didn't do it any favors, certainly, but the blame doesn't rest on him. He shares a very small part of it.

408 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:28:27pm

re: #388 iceweasel

What happened? Did they spy on his countertops too?

Well, the whole thing was a conspiracy.

More lunacy here:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

409 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:28:42pm

re: #406 Cheechako


You'll see this in January when your fed tax withholding goes up.

I'm willing to pay a little more to help this country I love.

410 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:28:53pm

re: #343 cliffster

As for the other part, about the "blah, blah, blah", it struck me that the speech was so completely expected, that the political commentators were stuck in the same kinds of situations like when sports commentators are in when there's an injury, or a timeout, or whatever kind of lull in action. They have to fill the air with words when there's really nothing to say. It had nothing to do with people on here discussing the speech.

Can't win. I probably reacted exactly the same with Bush.

Can't win.

(I will leave out Schaivo, stem cells, WMD)

411 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:29:15pm

re: #375 Charles

The Islamic Supremacists are Dancing and Rubbing Their Hooves in Glee.

"Hooves?"

Are we talking about ... Satan?

I think I distinctly heard the Church Lady in my head when I read that...

412 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:29:20pm

re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it was the "Frankenstein Guy" remark that seemed a little mean-spirited. To me anyway.

413 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:29:33pm

re: #375 Charles

The Islamic Supremacists are Dancing and Rubbing Their Hooves in Glee.

"Hooves?"

Are we talking about ... Satan?

Oh god, her commenters are so disgusting:

Barry said...

Every non-Muslim American is a "9/11 Family" and believe-you-me you have our support.

Patti said...

Barry you took the words right out of my mouth. Witnessing the slaughter of our fellow countrymen and women traumatized ALL of us. September 11th didn't happen to a few thousand people, it happened to EVERY single American.

Nice statements that there are no such things as Muslim Americans. Pammy can lie all she wants but her fans hear her loud and clear.

and

Dweller said...

Aren't there enough of these hell houses, ahem, I mean Mosques anyway? We in the United States can only be so tolerant of a religion of 1.6 billion, of which ALL are inbred to hate the amazing United States. My friend Curtis has gerbils and every few weeks they are giving birth to a new litter of inbred baby gerbils. And I tell Curtis "don't you think you have enough gerbils?" and "what are you going to do with all of these gerbils?" He just shrugs. But I know he knows that eventually he will have too many gerbils, and there won't be anymore room for them. It's the same thing with Muslims.

Oh so disgusting. More there too.

414 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:30:06pm

re: #392 tradewind

Wow.
Your dislike of his politics notwithstanding, that ' Frankenstein Guy ' graduated with honors from Harvard medical school despite being paralyzed in a college diving accident
his first year... became Chief Resident at Mass General, a board-certified specialist in psychiatry, and with a colleague discovered and identified a secondary mania that is included in today's textbook definitions of bi-polar disease. Worked in the Carter administration as a special medical advisor.
Not really so flat, or cold.

You go ahead and give this guy a big cuddle if you want. Yeesh.

None of what you said has anything to do with his demeanor or what makes his political opinion more relevant than anyone else's.

415 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:30:24pm

re: #382 Obdicut

I forget which book it was that I read that had him in it-- I read a lot of baseball books-- but there was one that had just a great portrayal of him. Not a phony sweetness and light one, but a kind of grim one, showing a man who had been smacked down by fate but was unwilling to accept that, who clawed his way back, not to where he had been, but to a better place than anyone thought he could get to.

I admire him.


All true. In my office at work hangs a 5x7" picture that he signed for me in 1968 after he was injured. My Mom was in the hospital at the time and he was also in the same Boston hospital. When I went to see my Mom, the nurse told me Tony C was staying on that floor. I asked the nurse if I could come back the next day with my picture and get him to sign it. And she told me to bring it and she'd ask. The signature says "To _____, Best Wishes, Tony Conigliaro." Wherever I go between now and the end of my days, that picture will always be on display in my office or home. Thanks for indulging my hero worship!

416 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:30:31pm

Hoof rubbing! This is worse than I thought!

417 ShaunP  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:30:33pm

re: #392 tradewind

Wow.
Your dislike of his politics notwithstanding, that ' Frankenstein Guy ' graduated with honors from Harvard medical school despite being paralyzed in a college diving accident
his first year... became Chief Resident at Mass General, a board-certified specialist in psychiatry, and with a colleague discovered and identified a secondary mania that is included in today's textbook definitions of bi-polar disease. Worked in the Carter administration as a special medical advisor.
Not really so flat, or cold.

So you've defended the honor of Krauthammer and Boener in this thread from some pretty vanilla jokes; bravo. Yah know, for someone that's always crying "partisan" to the other side, it would be nice if you didn't always wind up being so partisan yourself...

418 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:30:43pm

re: #405 Stanley Sea

Ya'll dance to whatever's playing.

She's right, in this case.

I'll believe we're out of Iraq when we're out of Iraq.

And my hunch is we'll be there with some significant military presence, and the ability to treble or quadruple or quintuple or otherwise expand that presence, at least as long (starting the count from today) as we've been on the ground in Germany or Japan.

Empires do not conquer just to retreat. And I would be against it if we did.

419 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:30:48pm

re: #412 brownbagj

I think it was the "Frankenstein Guy" remark that seemed a little mean-spirited. To me anyway.

Fair enough.

420 freetoken  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:30:49pm

Having missed the live video of the speech, I just read the transcript (over at the LA Times.)

Seems like what was expected.

I do think that the President needs to be a bit more upfront with the populace about the domestic problems we have - the problems get too... hmmmm, what shall I say... "polished".

421 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:30:49pm

re: #413 iceweasel

9/11 didn't traumatize me.

422 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:30:53pm

re: #409 darthstar

Then can you do it voluntarily instead of forcing everyone else to? I pay plenty. A shocking amount.

423 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:30:58pm

re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist
Haven't disproven?
Lol.
If you start trying to add up everything that can't be disproven, you're going to be up a long time.

424 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:31:06pm

More burps.

425 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:31:54pm

re: #416 Charles

Hoof rubbing! This is worse than I thought!

Now I'm imagining an adorable little dik-dik wearing Bin Laden's head-gear, and laughing evilly.

And I haven't even been drinking.

426 palomino  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:32:24pm

re: #392 tradewind

Wow.
Your dislike of his politics notwithstanding, that ' Frankenstein Guy ' graduated with honors from Harvard medical school despite being paralyzed in a college diving accident
his first year... became Chief Resident at Mass General, a board-certified specialist in psychiatry, and with a colleague discovered and identified a secondary mania that is included in today's textbook definitions of bi-polar disease. Worked in the Carter administration as a special medical advisor.
Not really so flat, or cold.

The only interesting thing about his resume is the irony that a shrink is now afflicted with ODS.

427 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:32:38pm

Good night, Lizards. G-d bless our troops and our fellow Americans.

428 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:32:53pm

Good night all.

Please, no flouncing in my absence.

429 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:33:03pm

re: #412 brownbagj

I think it was the "Frankenstein Guy" remark that seemed a little mean-spirited. To me anyway.

I'm sure Krauthammer doesn't stay up nights fretting over what I say about him on the Internet. He's more concerned with trying to get us to bomb Iranians.

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:33:20pm

re: #421 Varek Raith

9/11 didn't traumatize me.

9/11 horrified and angered me.

It happened to my country.

But it didn't happen to me. I know people who were there, in the thick of it. Who lost people. It happened to them.

431 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:33:24pm

re: #422 brownbagj

Then can you do it voluntarily instead of forcing everyone else to? I pay plenty. A shocking amount.

So do I. So long as it's not used to pay for elective war I'm okay with it. But how my taxes are spent not withstanding, I'd rather be in a position where I was taxed heavily (as I am) than not make enough to have to pay taxes at all. I'm guessing at some level you probably feel the same.

432 jaunte  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:33:40pm

re: #416 Charles

Hoof rubbing! This is worse than I thought!

The TSA should be informed about this.

433 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:33:54pm

re: #366 _RememberTonyC

thanks Obdi ... he has always been my hero. And that fact that you, Stanley Sea, and others took the time to "remember" Tony C means a lot to me.

It's the benefits we get. :)

434 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:34:20pm

Hey, i hear President McCain is on FOX.
Anyone watching?

435 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:34:56pm

re: #423 tradewind

Haven't disproven?
Lol.
If you start trying to add up everything that can't be disproven, you're going to be up a long time.

Oh...I thought the whole point of giving the man's complete resume was to defend him from being 'flat' and 'cold'.

No?

436 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:35:01pm

re: #431 darthstar

So do I. So long as it's not used to pay for elective war I'm okay with it. But how my taxes are spent not withstanding, I'd rather be in a position where I was taxed heavily (as I am) than not make enough to have to pay taxes at all. I'm guessing at some level you probably feel the same.

I suspect a lot of those "taxed enough already" folks have no idea whatsoever how marginal tax brackets work. Tell 'em the top marginal tax rate is going up 3% and they figure you're talking about taxing them. Or worrying that crossing brackets will lose them money.

437 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:35:03pm

re: #432 jaunte

The TSA should be informed about this.

Us demons have wings, you know?!

438 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:35:05pm

re: #429 elbruce

I'm sure Krauthammer doesn't stay up nights fretting over what I say about him on the Internet. He's more concerned with trying to get us to bomb Iranians.

You are certainly right when it comes to first part of your remark.

439 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:35:11pm

re: #380 iceweasel

Y'Know what comes AFtEr 'The'?..."COMMUNisT MaNIfESto"!11

Glenn Beck.

(insert swirly lines, random misspellings)

Put down the chalk, and step away from the blackboard, ice.

//

440 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:35:17pm

re: #392 tradewind

Wow.
Your dislike of his politics notwithstanding, that ' Frankenstein Guy ' graduated with honors from Harvard medical school despite being paralyzed in a college diving accident
his first year... became Chief Resident at Mass General, a board-certified specialist in psychiatry, and with a colleague discovered and identified a secondary mania that is included in today's textbook definitions of bi-polar disease. Worked in the Carter administration as a special medical advisor.
Not really so flat, or cold.

Krauthammer might be all that and a bag of chips when it comes to psychology and he is a very smart man, but his political choices (and political alliances) suck.

441 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:35:23pm

re: #425 SanFranciscoZionist

Now I'm imagining an adorable little dik-dik wearing Bin Laden's head-gear, and laughing evilly.

And I haven't even been drinking.

LOL!
Start drinking now!
Your little dik-dik can be jumping!

442 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:35:28pm

re: #434 webevintage

I could only watch Fox in Clockwork Orange eyegear. I'll have to take your word for it.

443 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:35:39pm

Who needs Stormfront when you can have Yahoo! news comments.

Here's some random samples:

Pebble.
At least the gunmen killed a pregnant Jewish women, poor fate, but how many pregnant women, infants, babies, children, old peoples, foreign Journalists, Human right activists Israel have killed? how many poor Palestinians homes were destroyed and bombed? The pro- Israeli portion of the world will never know and will never want to know the fate of Palestine and the fate of the world at the hands of Zionist bloodsuckers

REALITY CHECK.
Netanyahu: Just because we bulldoze your homes and occupy your homeland for 60 years..
doesn't give you the right to fight back...

The Truth.
When you are an illegal jewish settler living on top of where my house used to be before it got bulldozed, then its a fair game. YOU will never live or rest in peace M/F's!

What goes around comes around, "IsraHELL"!
When you don't have mercy on others, don't expect others to have mercy on you.
The robbers of my land won't live in peace until they are gone.
No justice no peace!
You kill my family I will kill yours!
JEWS DON'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF THE ABOVE!

Amen.
Well Elizabeth I am sick of these zionist not Jews causing nothing but problems where ever they are. Why is it always poor zio's. Look at the mess they have my country the USA in. The country is going to the @#$%'s but they don;t care they start trouble and was everyone else to bail their sorry a$$ out.

T1m0thy.
The Jew is by nature an evil lying plague. The Jew has a foreskin fetish. To punish the Jew for the evil foreskin fetish he or she possesses, we should mutilate the genitals of all male Jews. Let us pull down the pants of a Jew and cut his genitals up and watch him scream in agony until there is only a bloody pulp between his legs. The filthy Jew must experience the most excruciating pain imaginable to mankind.

444 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:35:41pm

re: #425 SanFranciscoZionist

Now I'm imagining an adorable little dik-dik wearing Bin Laden's head-gear, and laughing evilly.

To the photoshops!

445 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:35:46pm

re: #434 webevintage

Hey, i hear President McCain is on FOX.
Anyone watching?

My husband is watching "Family Guy". They're making fun of Kirk Cameron.

446 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:36:03pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

9/11 horrified and angered me.

It happened to my country.

But it didn't happen to me. I know people who were there, in the thick of it. Who lost people. It happened to them.

Very true. I just don't let the rage override my senses like so many do.

447 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:36:05pm

re: #414 elbruce
Seriously, his demeanor?
Paraplegia might tend to disrupt it a bit.

448 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:36:20pm

re: #375 Charles

The Islamic Supremacists are Dancing and Rubbing Their Hooves in Glee.

"Hooves?"

Are we talking about ... Satan?


She is so psychologically interesting.

449 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:36:33pm

re: #434 webevintage
There's medicine for the voices.

450 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:36:35pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

9/11 horrified and angered me.

It happened to my country.

But it didn't happen to me. I know people who were there, in the thick of it. Who lost people. It happened to them.

No, no, it was an attack on America, see, which is why those peacenik commie new yorkers are the last people who should talk about it, and the ones least equipped to decide what is and isn't appropriate to build in their community.

/wingnut pretzel logic, -- doesn't taste better with mustard.

451 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:36:47pm

re: #438 researchok

You are certainly right when it comes to first part of your remark.

Second part too. Unless you're claiming that Krauthammer does not advocate pre-emptive bombing of Iran.

452 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:36:57pm

re: #441 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Start drinking now!
Your little dik-dik can be jumping!

Who named that animal with such an unfortunate name???

453 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:37:11pm

Maybe I was thinking about the designer for the Vietnam Veterans memorial. Took many years before the wingnuts got over that.

Maya Lin

454 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:37:17pm

lol @ 9/11 not "happening" to someone.

If they could have killed ALL of us that day, they would have.

455 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:37:20pm

re: #436 elbruce

It's just blind greed. Everyone wants the economy to improve, but nobody's willing to sacrifice to help it. Fuck 'em...they're only screwing themselves (and everyone else) with their teabagging bullshit.

456 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:37:44pm

Evening my scaly friends! I missed the speech. How was it?

457 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:37:53pm

re: #435 SanFranciscoZionist
Okay. Flat and cold he is.
You can stick with that.

458 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:38:05pm

re: #451 elbruce

Second part too. Unless you're claiming that Krauthammer does not advocate pre-emptive bombing of Iran.

Don't you mean 'preventive'?

459 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:38:13pm

re: #418 Cato the Elder

We are not leaving Iraq for decades.

460 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:38:14pm

re: #456 NJDhockeyfan

Evening my scaly friends! I missed the speech. How was it?

He mentioned you by name...then did a facepalm. //

461 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:38:17pm

re: #448 Stanley Sea

She is so psychologically interesting.

Fruit infused vodka jello for breakfast will do that to people.

//

462 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:39:04pm

re: #434 webevintage

Hey, i hear President McCain is on FOX.
Anyone watching?

His daughter was on O'Reilly earlier.

463 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:39:06pm

re: #457 tradewind

Okay. Flat and cold he is.
You can stick with that.

I'll just go with "wrong."

464 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:39:08pm

re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably not as funny as that Russian? gal that made fun of Kirk Cameron pimping the Origin of the Species rewrite.

465 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:39:09pm

re: #452 Varek Raith

Who named that animal with such an unfortunate name???

According to Wikipedia, the name is onomatopoetic. The females make a 'dik-dik' or 'zik-zik' noise to alert the herd to danger.

466 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:39:26pm

re: #375 Charles

The Islamic Supremacists are Dancing and Rubbing Their Hooves in Glee.

"Hooves?"

Are we talking about ... Satan?

Dear Pamela Geller:

Your recent post about the "hooves" of Muslims reminds me of a few things.

It reminds me of the plain fact that one of the images used to dehumanize Jews and make them ready for pogromists and Nazis was to talk about their horns and hooves...and their penchant for murdering Christian children in order to use their blood for Passover matzohs...and how under the funny clothes they wore, they were deformed, and priapic, and just waiting to close in on innocent blonde virgins and despoil them.

Of course, in your "mind", all those things can be said of Muslims with impunity, because - because - well, because what?

Because you have forgotten everything the Rabbi once taught you about Judaism.

Hope you're proud, you Nazi shicksa.

Love,

--Cato

467 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:39:38pm

re: #455 darthstar

It's just blind greed. Everyone wants the economy to improve, but nobody's willing to sacrifice to help it. Fuck 'em...they're only screwing themselves (and everyone else) with their teabagging bullshit.

That social compact thing is such a drag.

468 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:39:48pm

re: #429 elbruce
I'm sure you have him on tape.

469 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:40:15pm

re: #456 NJDhockeyfan

Evening my scaly friends! I missed the speech. How was it?

"cold and odd"
OMG! How dare he mention the economy.
Palin said we should look to Orwell.
He did not say Bush was the most awesome President ever and that he, President Barak Hussain Obama was wrong about the surge...
/

It was fine.

470 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:41:03pm

Thank You, President Bush.

471 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:41:09pm

re: #454 TheMatrix31

lol @ 9/11 not "happening" to someone.

If they could have killed ALL of us that day, they would have.

Yeah, if only they had a weapon capable of taking out a continent.

472 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:41:46pm

re: #454 TheMatrix31

lol @ 9/11 not "happening" to someone.

If they could have killed ALL of us that day, they would have.

I prefer dealing with reality, myself.

473 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:41:55pm

re: #470 TheMatrix31

Thank You, President Bush.

I hate to tell you this, but Bush actually isn't president anymore.

474 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:42:14pm

re: #458 researchok
No, he's going to wait and see how
' reactive ' works out for them.
And us.
There are no good options re Iran. That ship has sailed. Godspeed to the Israelis who are sitting in the crosshairs.

475 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:43:15pm

re: #443 Alouette

Who needs Stormfront when you can have Yahoo! news comments.

Here's some random samples:

Sick, utterly sick.

476 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:43:17pm

re: #473 darthstar

Well damn, then I guess we should stop referring to old presidents as "Mr. President"

477 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:43:37pm

re: #472 Obdicut

Which is why I said "If they could have, they would have."

478 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:43:43pm

re: #470 TheMatrix31

Thank You, President Bush Obama.

Fixed that for ya. Don't say I never helped you out.

479 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:43:44pm

re: #471 Varek Raith
Just try to imagine a bunch of any persuasion..... nineteen of them, say, thirty or forty years ago, doing what they did.
It'd be science fiction. Not even within the realm of most people's thought process.

480 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:44:22pm

re: #474 tradewind

No, he's going to wait and see how
' reactive ' works out for them.
And us.
There are no good options re Iran. That ship has sailed. Godspeed to the Israelis who are sitting in the crosshairs.

Godspeed to the Iraqis who have to fight the insurgents trained in Iran.

481 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:44:40pm

re: #478 iceweasel

Fixed that for ya. Don't say I never helped you out.

No.

482 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:44:53pm

re: #477 TheMatrix31

Which is why I said "If they could have, they would have."

But in reality, they attacked the twin towers in New York. And the Pentagon. And another attempt was foiled.

483 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:44:56pm

re: #474 tradewind

No, he's going to wait and see how
' reactive ' works out for them.
And us.
There are no good options re Iran. That ship has sailed. Godspeed to the Israelis who are sitting in the crosshairs.

The only thing we can be certain of is that a nuclear Iran is a threat not only to Israel but the Arab world as well.

484 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:45:01pm

re: #476 TheMatrix31

Well damn, then I guess we should stop referring to old presidents as "Mr. President"

Have you taken over from Tradewind as the Mandy stand-in for this thread?

485 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:45:28pm

ZOMG ISLAMISTSTERRORIST HAVE A DEATHSTAR!!!!

486 simoom  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:45:29pm

re: #434 webevintage

Hey, i hear President McCain is on FOX.
Anyone watching?

Hannity asked him why President Obama didn't thank President Bush for the victory in Iraq and the surge and Sen McCain said something like It wouldn't have occurred to Obama because it's not in his DNA to give credit. It was a little too much bitterness for me so I changed the channel.

487 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:45:31pm

re: #480 prairiefire
Yes. That too.
Depressing to think about.
Goodnight, ya'll.

488 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:46:00pm

re: #486 simoom

Did he really say 'DNA'?

489 Semper Fi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:46:13pm

re: #195 Charles

If you use a Mac, you should really install ClickToFlash. It stops embedded Flash objects from autoloading and replaces them with a button you have to click.

It makes a huge difference. Flash is a ridiculous processor hog on the Mac. Installing ClickToFlash will let your Mac run much smoother when you're browsing the web.

Thanks for that tip, Charles.

490 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:46:18pm

President Barack Obama

For some people those words still hurt.

Amazing.

491 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:46:19pm

re: #484 Cato the Elder

Have you taken over from Tradewind as the Mandy stand-in for this thread?

Yep.

492 simoom  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:46:42pm

re: #488 Obdicut

Did he really say 'DNA'?

Yes.

493 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:46:43pm

Right on cue.

494 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:46:49pm

re: #473 darthstar

I hate to tell you this, but Bush actually isn't president anymore.

True, but he kept us safe for 7 years and gave the Islamist one hell of a beatdown. That's worth a 'thank-you' to me.

495 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:46:55pm

re: #490 Gus 802

President Barack Obama

For some people those words still hurt.

Amazing.

496 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:47:01pm

re: #470 TheMatrix31

Thank You, President Bush.

You should probably know that the surge, in and of itself, probably wasn't the reason for the calming in Iraq after December '07. It did help, but...

Patraeus flatly states that the emergence of the Sunni backlash against the Whackos added several times more guns for the American view than the Surge did.

497 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:47:08pm

Hi, Ice and Jimmah....I missed you guys. Love you guys so much!

498 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:47:10pm

TheMatrix31, can you explain why you downdinged my post naming the places attacked by Al Qaeda on 9/11?

I can't really figure it out.

499 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:47:19pm

re: #486 simoom

Hannity asked him why President Obama didn't thank President Bush for the victory in Iraq and the surge and Sen McCain said something like It wouldn't have occurred to Obama because it's not in his DNA to give credit. It was a little too much bitterness for me so I changed the channel.

Are MaCain and Palin the biggest sore losers ever?

(probably not, but maybe they are the worst in recent history.)

500 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:47:34pm

re: #496 austin_blue

I didn't know that. Thanks for that help, broseph!

501 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:47:42pm

re: #492 simoom

Yes.

That's fucking terrible. Shame on McCain.

502 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:47:57pm

re: #486 simoom

Hannity asked him why President Obama didn't thank President Bush for the victory in Iraq and the surge and Sen McCain said something like It wouldn't have occurred to Obama because it's not in his DNA to give credit. It was a little too much bitterness for me so I changed the channel.

Do these fuckers even listen to what the President said?

As we do, I am mindful that the Iraq War has been a contentious issue at home. Here, too, it is time to turn the page. This afternoon, I spoke to former President George W. Bush. It's well known that he and I disagreed about the war from its outset. Yet no one could doubt President Bush's support for our troops, or his love of country and commitment to our security. As I have said, there were patriots who supported this war, and patriots who opposed it. And all of us are united in appreciation for our servicemen and women, and our hope for Iraq's future.

Read more: [Link: www.post-gazette.com...]

Fuck you, Hannity. Fuck you, Senator McCain.

503 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:48:03pm

re: #498 Obdicut

TheMatrix31, can you explain why you downdinged my post naming the places attacked by Al Qaeda on 9/11?

I can't really figure it out.

Because you're dense. You still don't understand that IF THEY COULD HAVE, THEY WOULD HAVE.

504 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:48:04pm

re: #482 Obdicut
They'll be back. They missed the WH, which was their plane that ended up in PA.
Remember what happened when the first WTC attack fizzled**. (Or something ) .
They came back.
** well, except for those eight or however many. Sucked for them.

505 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:48:09pm

re: #498 Obdicut

TheMatrix31, can you explain why you downdinged my post naming the places attacked by Al Qaeda on 9/11?

I can't really figure it out.

You didn't name every place in the USA.

506 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:48:54pm

re: #503 TheMatrix31

Because you're dense. You still don't understand that IF THEY COULD HAVE, THEY WOULD HAVE.

And if I could shoot lasers from my eyes, I would.

507 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:49:00pm

re: #497 TheMatrix31

Hi, Ice and Jimmah...I missed you guys. Love you guys so much!

What's this, a glitch in the Hate-rix?

Back at ya.

508 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:49:42pm

re: #503 TheMatrix31

Because you're dense. You still don't understand that IF THEY COULD HAVE, THEY WOULD HAVE.

I do understand that. Why do you think I don't?

I also understand that they couldn't, and they didn't.

I don't get why this makes you angry.

509 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:49:48pm

re: #481 TheMatrix31

Mongo No like.



FTFY

Sorry, you asked for it.

510 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:49:50pm

re: #499 webevintage

Are MaCain and Palin the biggest sore losers ever?

(probably not, but maybe they are the worst in recent history.)

Lieberman has to be up there too.

511 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:50:06pm

re: #491 TheMatrix31
(I'm leaving for the night, but Cato has this thing for MM. Don't encourage it ).

512 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:50:12pm

re: #508 Obdicut

I do understand that. Why do you think I don't?

I also understand that they couldn't, and they didn't.

I don't get why this makes you angry.

Because everything makes me angry. I'm TheMatrix31, duh.

513 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:50:24pm

re: #504 tradewind

They'll be back. They missed the WH, which was their plane that ended up in PA.
Remember what happened when the first WTC attack fizzled**. (Or something ) .
They came back.
** well, except for those eight or however many. Sucked for them.

They are going to keep coming back, for hundreds of years. What are your ideas to prevent that?

514 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:50:29pm

Alright, Matrix.
What could the terrorists have killed us all with?

515 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:50:37pm

re: #511 tradewind

(I'm leaving for the night, but Cato has this thing for MM. Don't encourage it ).

I try not to encourage sick, twisted fetishes.

516 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:50:49pm

re: #491 TheMatrix31

Yep.

Honesty. I like it.

Don't let the hard parts get you down.

517 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:50:51pm

Los Angeles is the best city in the US of A!

518 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:50:52pm

re: #514 Varek Raith

Alright, Matrix.
What could the terrorists have killed us all with?

That's what I'm saying. Holy moly. IF THEY COULD HAVE. THEY WOULD HAVE.

519 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:51:18pm

Right on cue again.

It's like Pavlov's dog.

520 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:51:26pm

re: #504 tradewind


Remember what happened when the first WTC attack fizzled.

Clinton's administration rounded up the ones involved and prosecuted them successfully?

521 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:51:28pm

re: #508 Obdicut

I do understand that. Why do you think I don't?

I also understand that they couldn't, and they didn't.

I don't get why this makes you angry.

Because you're fucking with the meme. Librhuls are supposed to be unaware of the Islamic menace, as evidenced by our appalling lack of funding to building Muslim-traps under every bed.

522 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:51:43pm

re: #518 TheMatrix31

That's what I'm saying. Holy moly. IF THEY COULD HAVE. THEY WOULD HAVE.

So, it's all in the Matrix?
Got it, Neo.

523 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:52:01pm

re: #508 Obdicut

I do understand that. Why do you think I don't?

I also understand that they couldn't, and they didn't.

I don't get why this makes you angry.



NOW do you understand why I support school choice vouchers?

/

524 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:52:09pm

re: #507 iceweasel

What's this, a glitch in the Hate-rix?

Back at ya.

Too bad my name is not in homage to that shitty ass movie or anything technologically oriented.

525 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:52:13pm

re: #512 TheMatrix31

Because everything makes me angry. I'm TheMatrix31, duh.

I really don't get why you think throwing constant hissy-fits is a good idea.

526 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:52:15pm

re: #517 Gus 802

Los Angeles is the best city in the US of A!

Except for the wimmins! The terrible, terrible wimmins! /

527 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:52:18pm

re: #519 Gus 802

Right on cue again.

It's like Pavlov's dog.

Woof.

528 jaunte  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:52:36pm

re: #519 Gus 802

Right on cue again.

It's like Pavlov's dog.

That's not the one with the hooves, is it?

529 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:53:05pm

re: #486 simoom

Wow, I don't regret not voting for McCain for a second. Every time I think about him and Palin in the WH as a team, I wipe my brow.

Had I been Obama, with his views on the war, I wouldn't thank Bush for the Iraq war, either. But why would Obama open a such a can of worms to the detriment of his message tonight? He was better to focus on the positive outcome, which he did. He erred on the side of class. Regardless, he's hated for it.

I could sleep like a baby at night knowing I disappointed the likes of John McCain.

530 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:53:19pm

re: #525 Obdicut

I really don't get why you think throwing constant hissy-fits is a good idea.


NOW do you understand why I support school choice vouchers?

531 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:53:22pm

re: #519 Gus 802

Right on cue again.

It's like Pavlov's dog.

Well, in fairness you did ring the bell with that LA comment. I had to downding you as well, because its clear the best city is Chicago.

/Gotta show some pride for the place of my birth.

532 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:53:36pm

re: #375 Charles

The Islamic Supremacists are Dancing and Rubbing Their Hooves in Glee.

"Hooves?"

Are we talking about ... Satan?

They are certainly happy to kill some Jews before the peace talks.

533 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:53:36pm

re: #528 jaunte

That's not the one with the hooves, is it?

Galloping dogs with horse shoes! /

534 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:53:51pm

re: #517 Gus 802

Los Angeles is the best city in the US of A!

Los angelessssss is the greaaaaaa-test cityyyyy in the whirlz
All other citiesss export inferior potasssssium

/Borat

535 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:54:06pm
Youtube Video
536 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:54:07pm

re: #443 Alouette

Who needs Stormfront when you can have Yahoo! news comments.

Here's some random samples:

That's some nasty stuff. It looks just like the comment section at HuffPo.

537 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:54:57pm

re: #503 TheMatrix31

Because you're dense. You still don't understand that IF THEY COULD HAVE, THEY WOULD HAVE.

So what?

If the Nazis could have gotten it together to build a Bomb, they would have wiped out London.

They couldn't. They didn't. And we did not wipe out Germany, nor prohibit the building of Lutheran churches, even though Luther was one of the worst Jew-haters in history.

So grow the fuck up.

538 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:54:58pm

LA Woman:

Youtube Video
539 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:55:02pm

re: #536 NJDhockeyfan

That's some nasty stuff. It looks just like the comment section at HuffPo.

Or FoxNation.
What can I say?
The Magical Balance Fairy is hot.

540 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:55:52pm

I love LA:

Youtube Video
541 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:56:33pm

re: #538 Jimmah

LA Woman:


[Video]

As a dear friend said of St. Louis...
It's a great place to be FROM!

LA is great.
Y'all should come visit...

542 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:56:59pm

re: #443 Alouette

Who needs Stormfront when you can have Yahoo! news comments.

Here's some random samples:

Good gawd a'mighty!
That's some ugly ugly stuff, there

543 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:57:36pm

California Girls:

Youtube Video
544 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:57:37pm

re: #458 researchok

Don't you mean 'preventive'?

LOL yes, thanks. Even I get 'em mixed up from time to time. Mind you, I'd still double check before launching an invasion if I was President.

545 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:58:22pm

oh apropos of nothing, if you're going to call me out, I work nights, so good luck before 3 pm (pacific).

546 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:58:31pm

re: #537 Cato the Elder

So what?

If the Nazis could have gotten it together to build a Bomb, they would have wiped out London.

They couldn't. They didn't. And we did not wipe out Germany, nor prohibit the building of Lutheran churches, even though Luther was one of the worst Jew-haters in history.

So grow the fuck up.

You're the one picking on someone 1/3rd your age. You're the one who's constantly acting creepy, trolling, and harrassing me, windsagio, and so many others (including the biggest, Mandy, who's not even here anymore).

You're telling ME to grow the fuck up? Wow.

Good thing they didn't have the ability to wipe out London. Good thing these fuckers DIDNT have the ability to attack the whole country. That's my point, that its utterly RIDICULOUS to feel like you weren't attacked that day.

Whatever.

547 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:58:54pm

re: #540 iceweasel

Youtube Video
548 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:58:59pm

If anyone wants my house in LA, I'm up for trades.

549 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:59:25pm

re: #517 Gus 802

Los Angeles is the best city in the US of A!

That is so wrong on so many levels...There is a State Law that says all Northern Californians must Hate SOCAL....It's the law..I didn't write it..Everybody grew up as Native's..And like Brother's or Sisters..We fought..About Water, Culture..Sports...Everything...But if you aren't a Native Californian you should just shut up cause we have each others back...
California is Home

550 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:59:37pm

re: #548 TheMatrix31

If anyone wants my house in LA, I'm up for trades.

I have to upding you for trying to get out!

551 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:59:55pm

California Dreamin'

Youtube Video
552 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:59:55pm

re: #541 Floral Giraffe

As a dear friend said of St. Louis...
It's a great place to be FROM!

LA is great.
Y'all should come visit...

I was born in LA left when I was 5.... I avoid it like the plague. I'm in San Diego now..... thank god for Camp Pendleton providing a "buffer zone".

553 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 6:59:59pm

re: #529 theheat

Wow, I don't regret not voting for McCain for a second. Every time I think about him and Palin in the WH as a team, I wipe my brow.

Had I been Obama, with his views on the war, I wouldn't thank Bush for the Iraq war, either. But why would Obama open a such a can of worms to the detriment of his message tonight? He was better to focus on the positive outcome, which he did. He erred on the side of class. Regardless, he's hated for it.

I could sleep like a baby at night knowing I disappointed the likes of John McCain.

Seconded...unlike Charles, I'm not going to apologize (even in jest) for voting McCain/Palin, because at the time, they seemed the most logical choice for me. However, knowing what we know now, I do think we dodged a huge bullet; Palin as VP (or POTUS, if McCain expired in office) scares me even more than Cheney ever did.

554 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:00:09pm

If we're posting music vids, here's mine:

Youtube Video
555 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:00:15pm

re: #418 Cato the Elder

She's right, in this case.

I'll believe we're out of Iraq when we're out of Iraq.

And my hunch is we'll be there with some significant military presence, and the ability to treble or quadruple or quintuple or otherwise expand that presence, at least as long (starting the count from today) as we've been on the ground in Germany or Japan.

Empires do not conquer just to retreat. And I would be against it if we did.

Cato, we built the biggest, baddest embassy there. We are forever.

556 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:00:42pm

re: #532 Killgore Trout

They are certainly happy to kill some Jews before the peace talks.

I'm not getting what a Hamas attack has to do with Geller's post about 9/11 families.

557 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:00:53pm

re: #549 HoosierHoops

hey, hh - you're here! I'm getting ready to do a fantasy draft. think it's too late to get a Lizard FF league going? could be simple, autodraft, etc. late in the game, though

558 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:00:53pm

re: #550 windsagio

Do or do not, there is no try.

559 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:01:27pm

re: #518 TheMatrix31

That's what I'm saying. Holy moly. IF THEY COULD HAVE. THEY WOULD HAVE.

if they could have, they'd take away women's right to choice.
If they could have, they'd dissemble our Constitution.
If they could have, they'd revoke civil liberties.

Oh wait. That's right, they can't do those things to us. Republicans can.

560 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:01:48pm

re: #543 Jimmah

re: #543 Jimmah

re: #543 Jimmah

Youtube Video

Local band, growing up..

561 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:01:50pm

re: #280 Jeff In Ohio

OK, Boner is a fine word.

I remember it was sure to generate snickers in the Saint Therese School playground in 1959

562 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:01:57pm

re: #554 Dark_Falcon

If we're posting music vids, here's mine:


[Video]

No no no, you have to post some shitty California/LA related music. That's the meme here, right? Let's troll against Matrix so he bounces for the night again?

563 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:02:12pm

re: #421 Varek Raith

9/11 didn't traumatize me.

me either. It sucked big time. But traumatize? No.

564 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:02:54pm
Youtube Video
565 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:02:59pm

re: #470 TheMatrix31

Thank You, President Bush.

For what, needlessly starting the war in Iraq just so Obama could finish it?

566 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:03pm

re: #557 cliffster

hey, hh - you're here! I'm getting ready to do a fantasy draft. think it's too late to get a Lizard FF league going? could be simple, autodraft, etc. late in the game, though

I'll join! Be very careful with email addresses...Charles safemail is...pretty safe...Sounds like fun!

567 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:09pm

re: #562 TheMatrix31

No no no, you have to post some shitty California/LA related music. That's the meme here, right? Let's troll against Matrix so he bounces for the night again?

It's not trolling. We're just goofing on your head.

568 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:11pm

re: #563 Stanley Sea

me either. It sucked big time. But traumatize? No.

I wish I was as strong as you, Mr. Seaman.

569 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:17pm

re: #542 reine.de.tout

Good gawd a'mighty!
That's some ugly ugly stuff, there

That ain't nothin'. Over at Huffington Post the hate is overflowing. One person says it best:


gooddude

About 50% of HuffPo commenters are utterly uncivilized.

Shame on all trying to justify murder. Palestinians can have peace TODAY. THIS MOMENT. If they wanted.

Half of HuffPo members posting hatred. Anyone surprised?

570 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:31pm

re: #454 TheMatrix31

lol @ 9/11 not "happening" to someone.

If they could have killed ALL of us that day, they would have.

Sure.

And if the suicide bombers getting on Israeli buses could have killed every Jew in the world, they would have.

But they didn't.

A terrorist attack is actually experienced differently by someone who's there than by someone who watches it on the news.

So I don't know what LOL is supposed to mean.

571 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:32pm

re: #563 Stanley Sea

A lot of people it did tho'.

Its pretty clear to see as more and more folks move away from the 'ARGH ISLAM GARGLE!' position, its largely them getting over the shock and trauma they felt in 9/11.

572 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:35pm

re: #556 Charles

I'm not getting what a Hamas attack has to do with Geller's post about 9/11 families.

It doesn't. It just proves that Hamas are still horrid scum who cheer on murderers. And Pam Geller is more like them than she realizes.

573 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:43pm

re: #567 Gus 802

It's not trolling. We're just goofing on your head.

lol, ok

574 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:45pm

re: #562 TheMatrix31

Your paranoia is exceeded only by your self-pity.

575 Racer X  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:47pm

re: #548 TheMatrix31

If anyone wants my house in LA, I'm up for trades.

L.A. is horrible! Do NOT move here! The nightlife, the women, the weather - all the worst ever.

Cleveland Rocks!

Youtube Video
576 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:50pm

Sweet, it's a music thread now. Know what my favorite band is? The iliotibial band

577 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:53pm

re: #457 tradewind

Okay. Flat and cold he is.
You can stick with that.

I have no particular feelings about the man, actually.

578 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:04:42pm

re: #560 Floral Giraffe


[Video]

Local band, growing up..

Did you ever see them live, Floral?

579 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:04:46pm

re: #575 Racer X

All the cool Towercam pictures are from near LA.

580 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:04:48pm

Don't let it get to you matrix, remember what happened last time.

Its just a blog, have fun with it!

581 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:05:02pm

re: #536 NJDhockeyfan

That's some nasty stuff. It looks just like the comment section at HuffPo.

It's much, much worse than the comments at HuffPo. I know because I checked out the comments at HuffPo and DKos before browsing Yahoo!

Unless they have posted some real humdingers since I viewed them.

Which is not to say that I am a fan of HuffPo or DKos in any way, shape or form, just that Yahoo! has surpassed them in the hatefest. For now at least.

582 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:05:18pm

re: #556 Charles

I'm not getting what a Hamas attack has to do with Geller's post about 9/11 families.

Ah, sorry. I thought that was related to the joy of killing Jews being celebrated in Gaza tonight.
My mistake.

583 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:05:25pm

re: #574 PT Barnum

Your paranoia is exceeded only by your self-pity.

Pityyyyyyy, Pitttttttty.....on, the millions of ignorant peopleeee

Youtube Video
584 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:05:30pm

re: #560 Floral Giraffe

re: #543 Jimmah

re: #543 Jimmah


[Video]Local band, growing up..

Spent some time in Hollywood a few years ago. LA is fantastic. Great diversity of people there.

585 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:05:33pm

re: #560 Floral Giraffe

Miss you both, with that time thingy!
*smooch*

586 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:05:42pm

re: #580 windsagio

Don't let it get to you matrix, remember what happened last time.

Its just a blog, have fun with it!

lmao.

587 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:05:49pm

re: #569 NJDhockeyfan

That ain't nothin'. Over at Huffington Post the hate is overflowing. One person says it best:

gooddude

About 50% of HuffPo commenters are utterly uncivilized.

Shame on all trying to justify murder. Palestinians can have peace TODAY. THIS MOMENT. If they wanted.

Half of HuffPo members posting hatred. Anyone surprised?

...according to one HuffPo member. That's your cited source. One comment from the same community whose comments you're criticizing. See the disconnect there?

588 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:05:54pm

And here's one more vid from the same poster. A song I've liked since I was a kid:

Youtube Video
589 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:06:02pm

Ok, well, that's one. Anyone interested in an LGF fantasy football league? I reckon I'll spam this out for a few threads, and if enough people say they're interested, we'll do it!

590 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:06:15pm

re: #521 iceweasel

they...they sell those?

591 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:06:42pm
Youtube Video

More a question than a curse....how could hellllll be any worrrrrrrse?

592 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:06:44pm

re: #584 Jimmah

Spent some time in Hollywood a few years ago. LA is fantastic. Great diversity of people there.

Uh, Matrix, you're downdinging THIS?

What have you got against diversity?

593 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:06:53pm

re: #586 TheMatrix31

lmao.

You always come out with guns blazing.
Why?

594 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:06:56pm

re: #553 talon_262

McCain and Palin's solutions would amount to more Brawndo (Idiocracy reference). In Palin's case, more Jesus, more babies, more guns, and more Brawndo. They'd be blowing the far right so hard by now they'd need jaw surgery.

595 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:07:00pm

re: #589 cliffster

Use goat heads for the footballs.

596 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:07:11pm

re: #589 cliffster

Ok, well, that's one. Anyone interested in an LGF fantasy football league? I reckon I'll spam this out for a few threads, and if enough people say they're interested, we'll do it!

I'll do it if its with people I like.

597 Racer X  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:07:11pm

re: #579 Ojoe

All the cool Towercam pictures are from near LA.

Well, except for all of the Hooker images observed by Hubble!

598 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:07:18pm

re: #588 Dark_Falcon

And here's one more vid from the same poster. A song I've liked since I was a kid:


[Video]

ummm...Admitting you like Air Supply is right up there with reavealing you have more than one Barry Manilow album in terms of the weenie scale. Next you'll tell us you've been to a Micheal Bolton/Celine Dion double header concert.

599 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:07:24pm

re: #506 Varek Raith

And if I could shoot lasers from my eyes, I would.

I can. But I live by a code, and restrain myself.

600 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:07:31pm

re: #590 Boondock St. Bender

they...they sell those?

Robert Spencer is working on the prototype. It comes with a bag of seeds. /

601 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:07:32pm

re: #592 iceweasel

I should have downdinged it tho', its my constitutional duty as a citizen of Cascadia to hate on SoCal.

602 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:07:46pm

re: #592 iceweasel

Uh, Matrix, you're downdinging THIS?

What have you got against diversity?

I think he's downdinging LA, not diversity.

603 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:07:51pm

re: #592 iceweasel

Uh, Matrix, you're downdinging THIS?

What have you got against diversity?

I downdinged the idea that its fantastic. Sorry to step on your sick, twisted desire to paint me as a racist.

604 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:08:13pm

re: #598 PT Barnum

ummm...Admitting you like Air Supply is right up there with reavealing you have more than one Barry Manilow album in terms of the weenie scale. Next you'll tell us you've been to a Micheal Bolton/Celine Dion double header concert.

[smiles]

605 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:08:39pm

re: #603 TheMatrix31

I downdinged the idea that its fantastic. Sorry to step on your sick, twisted desire to paint me as a racist.

W.T.F.

I feel a timeout comin'.

606 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:08:52pm

re: #503 TheMatrix31

Because you're dense. You still don't understand that IF THEY COULD HAVE, THEY WOULD HAVE.

Actually, I understand that clear as a bell. But you have to understand that as a left-handed Jewish American woman, I get that a lot. There are a shitload of heavily armed people out there who would like to see me dead.

I take it seriously, but I also don't claim that a terrorist attack I watched on TV 'happened' to me.

I wasn't outside the Sbarro in Jerusalem in August of 2001, and I wasn't in Lower Manhattan a month later. Thank God. It didn't happen to me.

607 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:08:59pm

re: #604 Dark_Falcon

Lets talk about embarassing bands we love!!!

608 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:09:19pm

re: #598 PT Barnum

ummm...Admitting you like Air Supply is right up there with reavealing you have more than one Barry Manilow album in terms of the weenie scale. Next you'll tell us you've been to a Micheal Bolton/Celine Dion double header concert.

Acidic!
XD

609 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:09:32pm

re: #603 TheMatrix31

I downdinged the idea that its fantastic. Sorry to step on your sick, twisted desire to paint me as a racist.

OK, now I have to downding. Please don't burst into a chorus of "I hate Iceweasel!". I hate that song, and I cluebat anyone who sings it.

610 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:09:37pm

re: #603 TheMatrix31

I downdinged the idea that its fantastic. Sorry to step on your sick, twisted desire to paint me as a racist.

You're just painting yourself as butthurt, seems to me.

611 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:09:43pm

re: #589 cliffster

Ok, well, that's one. Anyone interested in an LGF fantasy football league? I reckon I'll spam this out for a few threads, and if enough people say they're interested, we'll do it!

Could you create a Sports Page and provide a link for a few days or so?
It could bring all of us sports nuts together to discuss a League..It would be fun

612 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:09:44pm
613 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:09:51pm

re: #607 windsagio

Lets talk about embarassing bands we love!!!

JOURNEY!

614 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:10:02pm

re: #587 elbruce

Half of HuffPo members posting hatred. Anyone surprised?

...according to one HuffPo member. That's your cited source. One comment from the same community whose comments you're criticizing. See the disconnect there?

I'm reading the comments. The HuffPo member isn't wrong at all. Are you trying to make excuses for the extreme number of hateful posts over there?

615 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:10:03pm

Speaking of the alternate universe McCain Presidency, it's appropriate to mention on this day that he opposed withdrawing from Iraq. We wouldn't be getting out now if he'd won.

616 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:10:08pm

Cool evening Towercam photo. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone

LA would be behind you in this view.

BBL

617 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:10:09pm

TheMatrix31

618 BongCrodny  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:10:18pm

re: #518 TheMatrix31

That's what I'm saying. Holy moly. IF THEY COULD HAVE. THEY WOULD HAVE.


We are in such deep shit if they ever figure out a way to develop a gun that holds six billion bullets.

619 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:10:44pm

re: #600 iceweasel

another quality ACME product no doubt!

620 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:10:45pm

That's enough. Apparently a timeout is needed. It may easily turn into a full block.

621 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:10:52pm

re: #613 iceweasel

JOURNEY!

Erasure!

/Journey's pretty scary tho :D

622 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:11:01pm

re: #605 windsagio

W.T.F.

I feel a timeout comin'.

Hope not. I think the limit (2 timeouts) has been passed.

Matrix, be cool.

623 spikester  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:11:10pm

re: #596 TheMatrix31

after reading this thread.....is the anybody you like?

624 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:11:17pm

re: #540 iceweasel

I love LA:

As a genuine LA native I (we, including D_L) thank ya both. We do love our hometown.

625 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:11:20pm

re: #521 iceweasel

Because you're fucking with the meme. Librhuls are supposed to be unaware of the Islamic menace, as evidenced by our appalling lack of funding to building Muslim-traps under every bed.

I knew 9/11 was coming a long time before it happened, and when it happened, I cursed and prayed and kept moving until it stopped feeling like a broken arm in the soul. Because you have to. Because otherwise, the terrorists really do win.

There are people who can't come back. They die, they lose people they can't live without, their lives are shattered.

If you're not one of these people, you suck it up and get back to the work of tikkun olam.

626 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:11:46pm

re: #611 HoosierHoops

Could you create a Sports Page and provide a link for a few days or so?
It could bring all of us sports nuts together to discuss a League..It would be fun

Good idea. We'll see if we can make it work..

627 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:11:48pm

re: #607 windsagio

Lets talk about embarassing bands we love!!!

DEVO....

Youtube Video
628 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:11:56pm

re: #615 elbruce

If it reverts to a tribalist religious death cult, he was right. But you have to ask yourself, how long does the babysitting gig run, and to whose benefit?

629 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:12:02pm

re: #607 windsagio

Lets talk about embarassing bands we love!!!

Well some conservatives would say I should be embarrassed to admit I like these guys:

Youtube Video
630 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:12:23pm

re: #603 TheMatrix31

I downdinged the idea that its fantastic. Sorry to step on your sick, twisted desire to paint me as a racist.

There is really something wrong with you, Matrix. Every time you come on here with this act, you just make it more evident.

631 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:12:24pm

re: #606 SanFranciscoZionist

But you have to understand that as a left-handed Jewish American woman, I get that a lot. There are a shitload of heavily armed people out there who would like to see me dead.

You're left handed? Well, although I don't support that, I certainly don't want you dead. I just don't think that southpaws should be allowed to marry or to spread their alternative lifestyle to our children.

632 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:12:25pm

re: #559 iceweasel

if they could have, they'd take away women's right to choice.
If they could have, they'd dissemble our Constitution.
If they could have, they'd revoke civil liberties.

Oh wait. That's right, they can't do those things to us. Republicans can.

You put those words to mess with me.

633 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:12:49pm

re: #629 Dark_Falcon

Well some conservatives would say I should be embarrassed to admit I like these guys:


[Video]

I really liked Dookie and then I lost interest,

634 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:13:05pm

re: #546 TheMatrix31

That's my point, that its utterly RIDICULOUS to feel like you weren't attacked that day.

It's also ridiculous to feel that you were attacked in the same way as someone in physical proximity to the attack.

635 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:13:25pm

re: #552 Mr Pancakes

I was born in LA left when I was 5... I avoid it like the plague. I'm in San Diego now... thank god for Camp Pendleton providing a "buffer zone".

Hey, I was also born in LA.

I got out.

636 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:13:27pm

re: #607 windsagio

Lets talk about embarassing bands we love!!!

Halicali.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Shut up.
:)

637 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:13:28pm

re: #631 elbruce

You're left handed? Well, although I don't support that, I certainly don't want you dead. I just don't think that southpaws should be allowed to marry or to spread their alternative lifestyle to our children.

Oh that's just wrong.
Everybody is born right-handed.
Only the best of the best overcome it.

638 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:13:39pm

re: #627 PT Barnum

God I hate Devo.

I also like The Buggles

Youtube Video
639 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:13:44pm

re: #621 windsagio

Erasure!

/Journey's pretty scary tho :D

oh yeah Erasure!

i was kidding with Journey actually. BUT ERASURE!!!1

640 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:13:54pm

re: #607 windsagio

Lets talk about embarassing bands we love!!!

Oh, T'Pau!!

Youtube Video
641 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:14:21pm
Youtube Video
642 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:14:21pm

re: #578 prairiefire

Many, many times!
Very spoiled, musically.
What later became "the mystic knights of Oingo Boingo" was also a homegrown, local band.
Younger than "Honk" though...

643 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:14:35pm

re: #617 Gus 802

TheMatrix31

No, no, no! Varek Raith is our resident Sith.

644 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:14:37pm

re: #635 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, I was also born in LA.

I got out.

Yea it's horrible...... I love San Francisco though.

645 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:14:39pm

re: #632 researchok

You put those words to mess with me.

Meh, I like messing with you. In a platonic and jimmah-approved way of course! S'up researchok?

646 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:14:40pm

re: #631 elbruce

easy there pal she's not the only one here! lol

647 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:14:41pm

re: #640 prairiefire

Oh, T'Pau!!

[Video]

Blammo, I think you win :D

648 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:14:53pm

re: #607 windsagio

Village People. Head East.

Just kidding. Really. No, seriously kidding.

649 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:15:06pm

re: #637 reine.de.tout

It is actually not that hard to train your left hand to do whatever. Play any musical instrument and you will see.

650 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:15:14pm

re: #628 theheat

If it reverts to a tribalist religious death cult, he was right. But you have to ask yourself, how long does the babysitting gig run, and to whose benefit?

Iraq was never a "tribalist religious death cult." And the babysitting gig ended today.

651 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:15:17pm

Someone needs to speak out against the plague of gleeful hoof-rubbing.

652 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:15:22pm

re: #455 darthstar

It's just blind greed. Everyone wants the economy to improve, but nobody's willing to sacrifice to help it. Fuck 'em...they're only screwing themselves (and everyone else) with their teabagging bullshit.

For people to consider.

653 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:15:24pm

re: #640 prairiefire

Human League
Bow Wow Wow
Yazoo
Spandau Ballet

654 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:15:39pm

Sarah wouldn't know or understand ORwell if he bit her on the ass.

655 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:15:52pm

re: #647 windsagio

Blammo, I think you win :D

What about the Dickies?

Youtube Video

Best cover of Nights In White Satin Ever!

656 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:15:56pm

re: #629 Dark_Falcon

Well some conservatives would say I should be embarrassed to admit I like these guys:


[Video]

It's gotta suck actually. With the caveat that talent != intelligence or knowledge, most good bands are pretty lefty >>

657 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:16:02pm

re: #649 Ojoe

It is actually not that hard to train your left hand to do whatever. Play any musical instrument and you will see.

Or, type.

658 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:16:03pm

re: #651 Charles

Are you kidding? I live on a farm. It's anarchy, I tell you!

659 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:16:22pm

re: #653 prairiefire

Human League
Bow Wow Wow
Yazoo
Spandau Ballet

Shaaaa.... those are all cool 80's bands.

660 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:16:31pm

re: #563 Stanley Sea

me either. It sucked big time. But traumatize? No.

Saying it sucked big time is kind of vague. Are you asserting that it did not affect you in a personal and profound way?

661 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:16:39pm

re: #653 prairiefire

You shouldn't be embarassed by Spandau Ballet, dammit! Or Yazoo :P

662 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:16:49pm

re: #659 Mr Pancakes

Shaaa... those are all cool 80's bands.

Okay...Worst Band/Artist of the 80s. Falco

663 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:17:01pm

re: #656 windsagio

It's gotta suck actually. With the caveat that talent != intelligence or knowledge, most good bands are pretty lefty >>

SMACK!!!

/kidding

664 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:17:03pm

plauge of gleeful hoof rubbing...sounds like the name of a band!

665 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:17:04pm

re: #655 PT Barnum

not sure things like that count as embarassing >>

666 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:17:14pm

re: #637 reine.de.tout

Oh that's just wrong.
Everybody is born right-handed.
Only the best of the best overcome it.

re: #649 Ojoe

It is actually not that hard to train your left hand to do whatever. Play any musical instrument and you will see.

And people tell me that I'm paranoid when I claim that the Southpaw Agenda is trying to recruit our children into their ungodly lifestyle choice.

They're sinister! Sinister, I tells ya!

667 bratwurst  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:17:14pm

Has anyone else noticed that it is often the most humorless people who pepper their electronic communication with "LOL" and "LMAO"?

668 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:17:33pm

re: #659 Mr Pancakes

Shaaa... those are all cool 80's bands.

Dude, you should have seen me in my acid washed denim mini skirt, white ruffled shirt, white hose and heels.

669 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:17:55pm

re: #662 PT Barnum

Okay...Worst Band/Artist of the 80s. Falco

Frankie Goes To Hollywood.

670 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:18:00pm

re: #660 Spare O'Lake

Saying it sucked big time is kind of vague. Are you asserting that it did not affect you in a personal and profound way?

Quick Stanley! SHOW US YOUR PAPERS!!

671 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:18:08pm

re: #668 prairiefire

Dude, you should have seen me in my acid washed denim mini skirt, white ruffled shirt, white hose and heels.

I'd... I"d pay to see that.

WE NEED PHOTOS!

672 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:18:14pm

re: #644 Mr Pancakes

Yea it's horrible... I love San Francisco though.

Born in Central Valley..An obscure Ranch in Firebaugh outside of Fresno..But Raised in Napa Valley..I could talk home all night Lizards.. Dang Lakers!

673 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:18:24pm

re: #603 TheMatrix31

I downdinged the idea that its fantastic. Sorry to step on your sick, twisted desire to paint me as a racist.

Matrix is having a timeout!

May I not get one, too. Really, I do NOT want one!
I promise to TRY to behave.

674 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:18:25pm

re: #664 Boondock St. Bender

plauge of gleeful hoof rubbing...sounds like the name of a band!

Sounds like a strange locust attack on farmland in the early 1900s.

675 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:18:37pm

re: #670 iceweasel

Quick Stanley! SHOW US YOUR PAPERS TAX RETURN!!

FTFY

//

676 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:18:44pm

re: #655 PT Barnum

What about the Dickies?


[Video]Best cover of Nights In White Satin Ever!

I saw them live..... they do a good job of Black Sabbath's Paranoid. My daughter loves Killer Clowns from Outer Space.

677 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:18:51pm

re: #662 PT Barnum

Okay...Worst Band/Artist of the 80s. Falco

Milli Vanellie

678 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:19:05pm

re: #650 elbruce

Right now, it's done on paper. To me, it's done when the last US service person stationed there is home.

679 Racer X  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:19:09pm

Laaaaaaaakers! Baby!

680 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:19:18pm

re: #466 Cato the Elder

Dear Pamela Geller:

Your recent post about the "hooves" of Muslims reminds me of a few things.

It reminds me of the plain fact that one of the images used to dehumanize Jews and make them ready for pogromists and Nazis was to talk about their horns and hooves...and their penchant for murdering Christian children in order to use their blood for Passover matzohs...and how under the funny clothes they wore, they were deformed, and priapic, and just waiting to close in on innocent blonde virgins and despoil them.

Of course, in your "mind", all those things can be said of Muslims with impunity, because - because - well, because what?

Because you have forgotten everything the Rabbi once taught you about Judaism.

Hope you're proud, you Nazi shicksa.

Love,

--Cato


tear rolls down my cheek. She doesn't understand.

681 SteveMcG  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:19:32pm

The Raspberries

682 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:20:20pm

Some peoples have Hoof In Mouth disease.

683 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:20:21pm

More 80's stuff:

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
684 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:20:21pm

re: #678 theheat

Right now, it's done on paper. To me, it's done when the last US service person stationed there is home.

Not in our lifetime.

685 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:20:46pm

That was some weird up-dinging and down-dinging.

686 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:20:47pm

re: #634 SanFranciscoZionist

It's also ridiculous to feel that you were attacked in the same way as someone in physical proximity to the attack.

Surely you don't mean to minimize the obvious and profound post-9/11 national empathy just to score a debating point?

687 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:20:48pm

re: #662 PT Barnum

Okay...Worst Band/Artist of the 80s. Falco

Nah.... that would be Killer Pussy .... they had a hit called Teenage Enema Nurses (in Bondage).

688 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:20:51pm

re: #678 theheat

Right now, it's done on paper. To me, it's done when the last US service person stationed there is home.

We've still got bluebelly bases in Occupied Alabama. If you think I'm joking, I'll find you a url.

689 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:20:58pm

re: #645 iceweasel

Meh, I like messing with you. In a platonic and jimmah-approved way of course! S'up researchok?

All is well, still working my ass off. Glad to hear you guys are doing well.

You and the J man have a pastrami and corned beef for me.

Please- let me vicariously through you.

690 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:21:10pm

re: #687 Mr Pancakes

Actually, Janet Jackson.

691 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:21:12pm

re: #668 prairiefire

Padded shoulder jackets and fuchsia flats.

692 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:21:14pm

re: #669 elbruce

Frankie Goes To Hollywood.

I don't know man, i danced my * off to "Relax."

693 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:21:14pm

re: #664 Boondock St. Bender

plauge of gleeful hoof rubbing...sounds like the name of a band!

Sounds better as a rotating title. That would really get Shrieky's goat. >:D

694 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:21:56pm

re: #689 researchok

Assuming of course you are still in NY.

695 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:22:01pm

re: #692 prairiefire

you should say "I Laughed my <3 off" (special love to Reine :D)

696 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:22:20pm

re: #668 prairiefire

Dude, you should have seen me in my acid washed denim mini skirt, white ruffled shirt, white hose and heels.

I would have liked that!

697 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:22:31pm

re: #685 Gus 802

That was some weird up-dinging and down-dinging.

I could not make sense of the Dingulational Nuancisms.

698 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:22:32pm

re: #486 simoom

Hannity asked him why President Obama didn't thank President Bush for the victory in Iraq and the surge and Sen McCain said something like It wouldn't have occurred to Obama because it's not in his DNA to give credit. It was a little too much bitterness for me so I changed the channel.

ASSHOLE who lost any integrity he had.

Nice way to end it John.

What were those oaths you took as a soldier?

DAMNIT.

699 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:22:50pm

You asked for it...
sorta...

Youtube Video
700 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:22:58pm

BIAB

701 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:23:02pm

re: #693 Dark_Falcon

NICE! bwahahaha!

702 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:23:04pm

Anybody remember Video Concert Hall

Got introduced to Iggy Pop, Joe Jackson, Squeeze, the Dickies and the Police all in one place. And of course these guys:

Youtube Video
703 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:23:11pm

re: #697 BigPapa

I could not make sense of the Dingulational Nuancisms.

Dingmantics

704 simoom  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:23:23pm

re: #536 NJDhockeyfan

That's some nasty stuff. It looks just like the comment section at HuffPo.

The Yahoo News commentariat actually leans very heavily to the Right. Posts that are anti-Hispanic, anti-Muslim, anti-minorities in general get the lions share of the updings. While the anti-Semites posting there definitely are despicable, if you sort the comments by highest rated you'll find the other side of the bigot brigade.

For example:

ENDANGERED FECES 7 hours ago +56/-10
KILL ALL MUSLIMS TODAY...

WORLD PEACE TOMORROW.

every single war on earth at this moment involves muslims.

MUSLIMS ARE THE WORLD'S ENEMY.

---

WHITEWOLF 6 hours ago +31/-8
Israel needs to wipe palestine off the face of the earth. I stand behind Israel

---

Joseppi 8 hours ago +30/-6
The world would be a far better place without the Muslims.

---

. 7 hours ago +28/-0
The Western world needs to stop letting Muslims in our countries, especially Muslim Men

If you think these people are done attacking western countries you are fooling yourselves

---

Mr Boudreaux 5 hours ago +27/-8
More filthy muslims murdering civilians , this is relegious tolerence ?????
Until ALL muslims are exterminated , there will NEVER be peace.

In general, I try and avoid the Yahoo News comment section though as it's hard not to take it as an incredibly depressing window into the minds of a number of my fellow citizens. Yahoo really needs to hire a moderator to clean house.

705 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:23:39pm

re: #698 Stanley Sea

John always had this crazy temper tho'. How long ago was he still calling Vietnamese (racial slur deleted, I learned my lesson)?

706 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:23:44pm

re: #679 Racer X

Laaakers! Baby!

fuck the lakers

707 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:23:55pm

re: #667 bratwurst

Has anyone else noticed that it is often the most humorless people who pepper their electronic communication with "LOL" and "LMAO"?

LOLOLOL!
Is not.
ROFLMAO!
hahhaahaha!

708 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:24:04pm

My hooves are starting to feel a little chafed. Maybe I've been rubbing them too much.

709 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:24:08pm

re: #692 prairiefire

I don't know man, i danced my * off to "Relax."

It's funny. When it came out, they banned 'Relax' from the radio. In 2008, when I was working at Officemax, it was played as in-store music. Times change.

710 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:24:11pm

re: #685 Gus 802

That was some weird up-dinging and down-dinging.

I missed it all. Even missed the deleted comment.

My reflexes ARE too slow now! :(

711 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:24:19pm

re: #679 Racer X

Laaakers! Baby!

Dang you! LOL
My all time favorite team is GS..

712 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:24:48pm

re: #683 Dark_Falcon

Thanks, D_F.

I just dyed my daughter's hair tips with temp purple hair dye. I'm so proud.

713 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:24:55pm

re: #708 Charles

My hooves are starting to feel a little chafed. Maybe I've been rubbing them too much.

Tim Blair is going to run with that.

714 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:24:59pm

re: #695 windsagio

you should say "I Laughed my <3 off" (special love to Reine :D)

hehehe.
Don't be callin' me an ass, now.

715 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:25:09pm

re: #702 PT Barnum

Youtube Video
716 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:25:21pm

re: #708 Charles

Try this stuff. Works great. I use it all the time.

717 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:25:26pm

Dingma

re: #708 Charles

My hooves are starting to feel a little chafed. Maybe I've been rubbing them too much.

Rub them against your horns.

718 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:25:26pm

re: #698 Stanley Sea

heh, 486 and we are up to 702. Remember SFZ. SS qualifies for a partial.

719 jaunte  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:25:33pm

re: #708 Charles

Just 'Fiske' it and things should be better.
Image: Fisks_Hoof_and_hide_balm25la.jpg

720 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:25:43pm

re: #704 simoom

The Yahoo News commentariat actually leans very heavily to the Right. Posts that are anti-Hispanic, anti-Muslim, anti-minorities in general get the lions share of the updings. While the anti-Semites posting there definitely are despicable, if you sort the comments by highest rated you'll find the other side of the bigot brigade.

For example:

---

---

---

---

In general, I try and avoid the Yahoo News comment section though as it's hard not to take it as an incredibly depressing window into the minds of a number of my fellow citizens. Yahoo really needs to hire a moderator to clean house.

Quite Concur.

721 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:25:55pm

re: #704 simoom

The Yahoo News commentariat actually leans very heavily to the Right. Posts that are anti-Hispanic, anti-Muslim, anti-minorities in general get the lions share of the updings. While the anti-Semites posting there definitely are despicable, if you sort the comments by highest rated you'll find the other side of the bigot brigade.

For example:

---

---

---

---

In general, I try and avoid the Yahoo News comment section though as it's hard not to take it as an incredibly depressing window into the minds of a number of my fellow citizens. Yahoo really needs to hire a moderator to clean house.

Aw jeez. And yeah I've noticed that about yahoo's news commentators too. A lotta nutters.

722 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:26:19pm

re: #708 Charles

My hooves are starting to feel a little chafed. Maybe I've been rubbing them too much.

You must be..... I rubbed mine and they are shiny.

723 BongCrodny  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:26:19pm

re: #702 PT Barnum

Anybody remember Video Concert Hall

Got introduced to Iggy Pop, Joe Jackson, Squeeze, the Dickies and the Police all in one place. And of course these guys:


[Video]

"Tear It Up" may be my favorite punk song of all time.

724 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:26:23pm

re: #720 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

I find them hilarious.

725 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:26:24pm

re: #714 reine.de.tout

hehehe.
Don't be callin' me an ass, now.

Don't flash your tatas, either!

726 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:26:58pm

Well I'm off to the airport in a few hours, leaving Sydney and returning home to Kona. Soon you guy later... today?

Ya'll are behind me!

727 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:27:06pm

re: #691 theheat

Padded shoulder jackets and fuchsia flats.

I saw those once...I suffered from fucshia shock..

728 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:27:07pm

re: #708 Charles

My hooves are starting to feel a little chafed. Maybe I've been rubbing them too much.

From the makers of Monistat - chafing relief powder-gel.

For hooves, and the all-important bikini area.

729 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:27:21pm

re: #670 iceweasel

Quick Stanley! SHOW US YOUR PAPERS!!

Are you ill?

730 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:27:57pm

re: #686 Spare O'Lake

Surely you don't mean to minimize the obvious and profound post-9/11 national empathy just to score a debating point?

Spare, cut the crap. Are you really trying to tell me that you think I have just as much claim to experience of 9/11 as someone who had to evacuate the WTC down the stairs in the dark and come out into that collapsing hell?

I don't. That's not a debating point, that is simple truth. I don't, and Sarah Palin doesn't, and neither of us should use those people's experience to harp on people's emotions or try to gain the moral high ground.

It was an enormously frightening, angering, saddening event for the whole country, for much of the world, yes. No one is denying that. But to say that I was 'traumatized' by it seems self-pitying and excessive to me, just as it would be to say I was 'traumatized' by the Iraq war. I didn't go. A couple of my friends lost family members. I was sad and angry. Not 'traumatized'.

Saying that there are different degrees of exposure to a horrific event does not minimize that event, it gives due recognition to those who are more harmed than the rest of us.

731 Racer X  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:28:04pm

re: #706 cliffster

fuck the lakers

mmmm..

Breathes deep the hatred of the World Champion Los Angeles Lakers.

tasty!

732 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:28:59pm

re: #708 Charles

My hooves are starting to feel a little chafed. Maybe I've been rubbing them too much.

Have you tried Neutrogena's Hoofcare Intensive?

733 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:29:00pm

re: #730 SanFranciscoZionist

Simply Beautiful.

734 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:29:03pm

re: #729 Spare O'Lake

Are you ill?

Thanks for asking. Finer than a hair split three ways! Yourself?

735 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:29:04pm

re: #722 Mr Pancakes

This will make them show ring shiny.

736 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:29:06pm

re: #678 theheat

Right now, it's done on paper. To me, it's done when the last US service person stationed there is home.

Per the President's speech today, that'll be by this time next year. Awful nice of him to put down yet another timetable for the follow-up. A lot of Presidents wouldn't have bothered. Or at least, none ever have that I can think of.

737 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:29:39pm

re: #731 Racer X

mmm..

Breathes deep the hatred of the World Champion Los Angeles Lakers.

tasty!

A real man would be a fan of the Los Angeles Clippers.

738 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:29:58pm

re: #732 SanFranciscoZionist

Have you tried Neutrogena's Hoofcare Intensive?

Boudreaux's Butt Paste. would work, too.

739 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:30:08pm

OK, I'm giving up hoof-rubbing. No matter how gleeful I feel. It's not worth the chafing.

740 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:30:33pm

re: #726 BigPapa

Well I'm off to the airport in a few hours, leaving Sydney and returning home to Kona. Soon you guy later... today?

Ya'll are behind me!

Be safe getting home BigPapa!
Fairs winds and following seas

741 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:31:25pm

re: #654 HappyWarrior

Sarah wouldn't know or understand ORwell if he bit her on the ass.

If he were alive today, he would.

742 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:31:32pm

re: #736 elbruce

Agreed, but in the back of my mind a tiny voice is saying they'll be home... unless. And then I think of all the possible bad shit that might affect that.

743 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:31:33pm

re: #708 Charles

Try this.

Image: fp_hoof_cream_tub.jpg

It's halal.*

*Note to Muslims: I have no clue if it's halal.

744 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:31:50pm

re: #739 Charles

OK, I'm giving up hoof-rubbing. No matter how gleeful I feel. It's not worth the chafing.

Are you rubbing your front hooves or rear hooves? I find it makes a difference.

745 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:32:03pm

re: #738 reine.de.tout

Boudreaux's Butt Paste. would work, too.

Also, Udderly Smooth Udder Cream.

746 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:32:31pm

Wha's up, Kids?!

747 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:32:33pm

re: #741 elbruce

If he were alive today, he would.

Oh man, Orwell on today's politicians...that could be quite the novel or two, no?

748 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:32:41pm

My all time favorite Joe Jackson period (Jumpin Jive)

Youtube Video
749 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:32:57pm

re: #742 theheat

Agreed, but in the back of my mind a tiny voice is saying they'll be home... unless. And then I think of all the possible bad shit that might affect that.

True, for a long time in Vietnam we were just there as "training and support" units, as we are in Iraq starting tomorrow morning. But I'm feeling pretty good about Iraq's chances.

750 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:32:58pm

The blurs are getting to me again.

Later!

751 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:33:03pm

re: #714 reine.de.tout

hehehe.
Don't be callin' me an ass, now.

I don't own a saddle, nor do I own a donkey. But it seems everyone wants to ride my ass! :)

Evening, LGF!

752 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:33:07pm

re: #726 BigPapa

Safe travels!

753 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:33:26pm

re: #750 windsagio

The blurs are getting to me again.

Later!

How many fingers am I holding up?

754 drcordell  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:33:39pm

re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh man, Orwell on today's politicians...that could be quite the novel or two, no?

Palin knows that all religions are created equal, some are just more equal than others.

755 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:33:43pm

Boo!

756 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:33:51pm

re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh man, Orwell on today's politicians...that could be quite the novel or two, no?

What I wouldn't give for a interview between Orwell and Hitchens.

Hitchens wrote a great book on Orwell.

Why Orwell Matters

757 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:33:57pm

re: #746 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wha's up, Kids?!

You just now showin' up?
I'm about to make like a tree and leave.
Didja tell CCA happy birthday?
Send him some PIE?

758 jaunte  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:34:00pm

re: #753 Mr Pancakes

4 hooves.

759 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:34:27pm

re: #748 PT Barnum

My all time favorite Joe Jackson period (Jumpin Jive)


[Video]

Ah, you just had to remind me. "Steppin' Out":

Youtube Video
760 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:34:28pm

re: #746 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wha's up, Kids?!

FBV, how are ya?

761 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:34:52pm

re: #748 PT Barnum

The man did not get famous because of his George Clooneyesque good looks did he.

If Barney Fife... and... Carol Channing had a baby...

762 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:34:54pm

re: #755 b_sharp

Boo!

Howdy!

763 Racer X  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:35:14pm

re: #737 Mr Pancakes

A real man would be a fan of the Los Angeles Clippers.

Been there, done that. I lived through the Vlade Divac / Sedale Threat era.

764 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:35:41pm

re: #751 SteveC

Hey, how are you doing?

765 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:35:50pm

re: #745 reine.de.tout

Udderly Smooth Udder Cream is worthless. Bag Balm's where it's at. And it comes in a cool collectible tin. Unfortunately, it's super messy. Imagine liquid fly paper.

766 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:35:51pm

re: #754 drcordell

Palin knows that all religions are created equal, some are just more equal than others.

Palin believes that everyone has the right to their own religion, be you Hindu, Jewish or Muslim. She believes there are infinite paths to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior. /

(colbert, WH correspondents dinner)

767 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:36:08pm

re: #761 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The man did not get famous because of his George Clooneyesque good looks did he.

If Barney Fife... and... Carol Channing had a baby...

A blond rage boy with a bullet in his pocket.

768 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:36:10pm

re: #754 drcordell

Back for a flash, Cordell please please please change your avatar, its in no way necessary at this point :p

769 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:36:48pm

re: #763 Racer X

Been there, done that. I lived through the Vlade Divac / Sedale Threat era.

Clippers suck. As does Donald Sterling.
Lakers rock.
Not hard, just wanted to clarify....

770 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:37:07pm

re: #768 windsagio

Back for a flash, Cordell please please please change your avatar, its in no way necessary at this point :p

Yea.... I updinged that.

771 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:37:17pm

I read Palin's tweet about deciphering rewritten history books.. She sounds like she got a hold of a bag of the crippler.

772 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:37:36pm

re: #753 Mr Pancakes

How many fingers am I holding up?

Roger Staubach got crushed by a defensive end once, jumped up, and staggered towards the wrong bench. One of the officials turned him around and sent him back to his side.

The Cowboys trainer saw the blank look in Roger's eyes, sat him down, and asked him how many fingers he was holding up.

"Green!" was the answer.

/Think you need to sit for a while, chief!

773 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:37:43pm

re: #765 theheat

Udderly Smooth Udder Cream is worthless. Bag Balm's where it's at. And it comes in a cool collectible tin. Unfortunately, it's super messy. Imagine liquid fly paper.

YES!
That's what I was really looking for, couldn't recall the name!

774 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:37:56pm

re: #762 prairiefire

Howdy!

Its good when people notice you. Then you know you aren't invisible.

775 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:38:01pm

re: #765 theheat

OMG. Bag Balm is gross.
Have you tried it?
Kiehls, Bliss, there's LOTS of better products in the market...

776 drcordell  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:38:11pm

re: #766 iceweasel

Palin believes that everyone has the right to their own religion, be you Hindu, Jewish or Muslim. She believes there are infinite paths to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior. /

(colbert, WH correspondents dinner)

I am dying to bump into Colbert walking around NYC solely so I can offer to buy him a drink, dinner, anything he wants. That 2006 speech was the single biggest brass-balls moment of all time in my book. Savaging the sitting President while looking him straight in the eye, doesn't get much better than that.

777 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:38:22pm

re: #761 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The man did not get famous because of his George Clooneyesque good looks did he.

If Barney Fife... and... Carol Channing had a baby...

True, but I grew up listening to music before MTV. I just hate to think how many really great singers never got a chance because they didn't fit the image.

778 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:38:39pm

re: #764 Floral Giraffe

Hey, how are you doing?

Better! Still wearing the splint, but a little better every day!

779 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:38:57pm

re: #759 prairiefire

Ah, you just had to remind me. "Steppin' Out":

[Video]

It's my ring tone.

780 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:39:09pm

re: #774 b_sharp

Its good when people notice you. Then you know you aren't invisible.

Thank you.

781 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:39:16pm

re: #769 Floral Giraffe

Clippers suck. As does Donald Sterling.
Lakers rock.
Not hard, just wanted to clarify...

Clippers Suck...

782 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:39:19pm

re: #755 b_sharp

Don't DOOO that!

783 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:39:57pm

re: #730 SanFranciscoZionist

Spare, cut the crap. Are you really trying to tell me that you think I have just as much claim to experience of 9/11 as someone who had to evacuate the WTC down the stairs in the dark and come out into that collapsing hell?

I don't. That's not a debating point, that is simple truth. I don't, and Sarah Palin doesn't, and neither of us should use those people's experience to harp on people's emotions or try to gain the moral high ground.

It was an enormously frightening, angering, saddening event for the whole country, for much of the world, yes. No one is denying that. But to say that I was 'traumatized' by it seems self-pitying and excessive to me, just as it would be to say I was 'traumatized' by the Iraq war. I didn't go. A couple of my friends lost family members. I was sad and angry. Not 'traumatized'.

Saying that there are different degrees of exposure to a horrific event does not minimize that event, it gives due recognition to those who are more harmed than the rest of us.

When I saw the second plane hit the WTC on live TV in my Toronto office tower I was traumatized. This takes nothing away from the Manhattanites or the actual physical victims. I don't understand why you would feel that folks who say they felt traumatized are showing insensitivity or disrespect for New Yorkers. In fact I don't think New Yorkers would mind a bit if others felt traumatized. Surely 9/11 was an event which can be fairly said to have traumatized America...and Canada too!
So why don't YOU cut the crap?

784 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:40:11pm

re: #775 Floral Giraffe

I use it on critters. The only thing maybe equal or better is Corona ointment, which is the whiter version of sticky liquid fly paper. Either one will just about bring back the dead.

785 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:40:12pm

re: #782 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't DOOO that!

Who?

786 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:40:17pm

re: #776 drcordell

I am dying to bump into Colbert walking around NYC solely so I can offer to buy him a drink, dinner, anything he wants. That 2006 speech was the single biggest brass-balls moment of all time in my book. Savaging the sitting President while looking him straight in the eye, doesn't get much better than that.

In 100 years, they will be studying the digital tapes and saying, "He said whaaa..?"

787 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:40:40pm

OK, I just stopped reading the comments at HuffPo. The defending of Hamas and anti-Semite posts are just too much to view. It's making my head hurt.

788 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:40:41pm

re: #739 Charles

OK, I'm giving up hoof-rubbing. No matter how gleeful I feel. It's not worth the chafing.

Get a hooficure.

789 simoom  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:40:56pm

re: #486 simoom

Hannity asked him why President Obama didn't thank President Bush for the victory in Iraq and the surge and Sen McCain said something like It wouldn't have occurred to Obama because it's not in his DNA to give credit. It was a little too much bitterness for me so I changed the channel.

I finally found a clip of it (it's missing most of Hannity's question but it has the weird "DNA" bit):

Youtube Video

McCain: I'm not surprised that he wouldn't give George Bush credit. That's just in the DNA of the individual, apparently.
790 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:41:22pm

re: #776 drcordell

I am dying to bump into Colbert walking around NYC solely so I can offer to buy him a drink, dinner, anything he wants. That 2006 speech was the single biggest brass-balls moment of all time in my book. Savaging the sitting President while looking him straight in the eye, doesn't get much better than that.

Well, Bush didn't let it phase him. Say what you want about W, he's got a good sense of humor.

791 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:42:03pm

re: #788 Spare O'Lake

Or a good farrier.

792 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:42:04pm

re: #776 drcordell

I am dying to bump into Colbert walking around NYC solely so I can offer to buy him a drink, dinner, anything he wants. That 2006 speech was the single biggest brass-balls moment of all time in my book. Savaging the sitting President while looking him straight in the eye, doesn't get much better than that.

Loved. It. Brilliant.

I read about a year afterwards that he still hadn't yet read (or seen) any of the commentary on it-- his wife was saving it all for him.
That was another issue the blogosphere really did better reporting on than the MSM. It was like over a week IIRC before the NYT grudgingly ran a story mentioning the buzz on it -- after the usual Richard Cohen concern trolling at WaPo. "I know funny, this wasn't funny". HA!

Not surprising as the Villagers got savaged at least as much as Bush, really.

793 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:42:43pm

re: #783 Spare O'Lake

What SFZ said:

Saying that there are different degrees of exposure to a horrific event does not minimize that event, it gives due recognition to those who are more harmed than the rest of us.

Do you have any actual problem with that?

794 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:42:44pm

Jesse Rae - Inside Out (he actually wrote this song for Oddyssey, who had a big hit with it)

Youtube Video
795 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:42:56pm

re: #783 Spare O'Lake

When I saw the second plane hit the WTC on live TV in my Toronto office tower I was traumatized. This takes nothing away from the Manhattanites or the actual physical victims. I don't understand why you would feel that folks who say they felt traumatized are showing insensitivity or disrespect for New Yorkers. In fact I don't think New Yorkers would mind a bit if others felt traumatized. Surely 9/11 was an event which can be fairly said to have traumatized America...and Canada too!
So why don't YOU cut the crap?

But why were you traumatized? Was it because we were attacked on our own soil? Because your world view was changed? Why? Trauma implies that 9/11 inflicted some sort of deep injury to your psyche from which you will never recover.

796 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:43:07pm

re: #787 NJDhockeyfan

OK, I just stopped reading the comments at HuffPo. The defending of Hamas and anti-Semite posts are just too much to view. It's making my head hurt.

Reading haters like that is painful, that's a fact.

797 bratwurst  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:43:47pm

re: #787 NJDhockeyfan

OK, I just stopped reading the comments at HuffPo. The defending of Hamas and anti-Semite posts are just too much to view. It's making my head hurt.

I have seen you suggest more than once that critics of Rush Limbaugh or Fox News around here simply stop listening/watching. Nice that you are able to follow your own advice...eventually.

798 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:43:58pm

re: #734 iceweasel

Thanks for asking. Finer than a hair split three ways! Yourself?

Very well, thanks. Hope your finger is OK.

799 drcordell  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:45:20pm

re: #790 Dark_Falcon

Well, Bush didn't let it phase him. Say what you want about W, he's got a good sense of humor.

I think my favorite clip from the whole video is watching Laura Bush refuse to shake his hand.

800 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:46:25pm

re: #660 Spare O'Lake

Saying it sucked big time is kind of vague. Are you asserting that it did not affect you in a personal and profound way?

Spare, I was on dinner. Sorry for the late reply.

Of course it affected me, as an American subject to my first real terrorist attack.

But really. For some reason it did not consume me. Did not make that the basis for every political thought I had.

I wonder why?

Because terrorism is what it is? And the people affected are victims? Maybe. I'm not one of them.

801 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:46:53pm

re: #783 Spare O'Lake

When I saw the second plane hit the WTC on live TV in my Toronto office tower I was traumatized. This takes nothing away from the Manhattanites or the actual physical victims. I don't understand why you would feel that folks who say they felt traumatized are showing insensitivity or disrespect for New Yorkers. In fact I don't think New Yorkers would mind a bit if others felt traumatized. Surely 9/11 was an event which can be fairly said to have traumatized America...and Canada too!
So why don't YOU cut the crap?

Downding for your blatant asshattery, Spare.
The start of this was when you demanded to know if Stanley Sea was traumatised, and you were clearly implying that anyone not in the fetal position wetting themselves like you is somehow unaffected or (gasp) unamerican.

Sick of the years of wingnut bullshit, specifically people nowhere near nyc or dc who want to wrap themselves in that 9-11 identity. And especially the people who want to run it as a litmus purity test on liberals. "if you're not bedwetting you're not with us, you're against us!"
Fuck that shit, and that's exactly what you were doing. So why don't you cut your own disingenuous crap?

802 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:46:55pm

re: #797 bratwurst

I have seen you suggest more than once that critics of Rush Limbaugh or Fox News around here simply stop listening/watching. Nice that you are able to follow your own advice...eventually.

That's a fucking lie. I joke about the people who are scared of Fox News. I have NEVER posted a single thing about Rush. I don't listen to him.

803 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:47:01pm

re: #798 Spare O'Lake

Very well, thanks. Hope your finger is OK.

Charlie: What were you doing there?

Maverick: Communicating.

Charlie: Communicating?

Goose: You know... giving him the bird.

Charlie: Lieutenant...!

Goose: I'm sorry! I hate when it does that!

804 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:47:20pm

re: #797 bratwurst

I have seen you suggest more than once that critics of Rush Limbaugh or Fox News around here simply stop listening/watching.

Heh. That ploy is so tired it's not even comatose:

"Don't like wingnut broadcaster 'X'? Don't watch him - and - more importantly - stop criticising him! /"

805 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:47:48pm

re: #799 drcordell

I think my favorite clip from the whole video is watching Laura Bush refuse to shake his hand.

Well, he earned that. When you trash a woman's husband like that, she should snub you.

806 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:48:29pm

re: #783 Spare O'Lake

When I saw the second plane hit the WTC on live TV in my Toronto office tower I was traumatized. This takes nothing away from the Manhattanites or the actual physical victims. I don't understand why you would feel that folks who say they felt traumatized are showing insensitivity or disrespect for New Yorkers. In fact I don't think New Yorkers would mind a bit if others felt traumatized. Surely 9/11 was an event which can be fairly said to have traumatized America...and Canada too!
So why don't YOU cut the crap?

Gee, I don't know. Maybe because you subtly use the experience to broad brush 1.3 billion people, as opposed to the several hundred directly involved in the 9/11 and subsequent attacks?

We are not at war with Islam and specifically American Muslims. Yet the actions of the American Right increases the chances that the same citizens that we should be embracing as brothers will be radicalized by the American Right's actions.

It's just plain rock dumb.

Just sayin'.

807 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:49:08pm

re: #794 Jimmah

You sadist.
Thank you!
He's not available here!

808 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:49:12pm

re: #783 Spare O'Lake

When I saw the second plane hit the WTC on live TV in my Toronto office tower I was traumatized. This takes nothing away from the Manhattanites or the actual physical victims. I don't understand why you would feel that folks who say they felt traumatized are showing insensitivity or disrespect for New Yorkers. In fact I don't think New Yorkers would mind a bit if others felt traumatized. Surely 9/11 was an event which can be fairly said to have traumatized America...and Canada too!
So why don't YOU cut the crap?

If you were traumatized, that's your own experience, and that's fine. Clearly, everyone processed the situation somewhat differently. My own experience was undoubtedly influenced by the fact that the second intifada had been in process, and I'd been absorbing media coverage of an almost unbroken string of suicide bombings and other attacks on the news.

Matrix was attacking people for saying they were not, LOLing at them, and acting as though anyone who didn't react emotionally as he felt they should have didn't understand the enormity of the event.

You then accused me of 'minimizing national empathy' to 'score a debating point'. I don't know what the hell that is supposed to mean.

809 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:49:45pm

re: #805 Dark_Falcon

Well, he earned that. When you trash a woman's husband like that, she should snub you.

It's a wonder he didn't leave the event with her shoe in his ass.

810 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:49:48pm

re: #720 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

How bout Politico? The new media model? Their comments are disgusting. I've complained probably 15 times. No response, no change. To me it signifies that they think the comments are American's talking or something. They are vile. Totally diminishes the site.

811 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:49:58pm

re: #787 NJDhockeyfan

OK, I just stopped reading the comments at HuffPo. The defending of Hamas and anti-Semite posts are just too much to view. It's making my head hurt.

DOn't read the comments at HuffPo. Don't read the comments at Yahoo. FOR GOD'S SAKE, don't read the comments at AOL. There is NOTHING to be gained from going to such places.

812 jaunte  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:50:23pm

re: #806 austin_blue

We are not at war with Islam and specifically American Muslims. Yet the actions of the American Right increases the chances that the same citizens that we should be embracing as brothers will be radicalized by the American Right's actions.


This.

813 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:50:55pm

re: #810 Stanley Sea

How bout Politico? The new media model? Their comments are disgusting. I've complained probably 15 times. No response, no change. To me it signifies that they think the comments are American's talking or something. They are vile. Totally diminishes the site.

Politico is drudge-bait 24/7. They attract drudge-like readers.

814 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:51:23pm

re: #811 SanFranciscoZionist

DOn't read the comments at HuffPo. Don't read the comments at Yahoo. FOR GOD'S SAKE, don't read the comments at AOL. There is NOTHING to be gained from going to such places.

I won't be going to HuffPo for a while, that's for sure. What a disgusting cesspool.

815 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:51:49pm

re: #805 Dark_Falcon

Well, he earned that. When you trash a woman's husband like that, she should snub you.

Poor Laura. She made a really sweet speech about W.'s presidency at the RNC. It was the only time anyone said a nice word about the man through the whole event, I think.

816 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:52:33pm

re: #809 SteveC

It's a wonder he didn't leave the event with her shoe in his ass.

Just because the cameras didn't get it doesn't mean he didn't.

817 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:52:47pm

This is a bit off topic but I need to vent a bit.

My dad just got scammed for $9000 by some fucking lowlife and his buddies pretending to be my son in trouble. They claimed the kid was in an accident and had to pay off the damages or be charged. They even had him pull money out of the bank twice.

Shitholes like this prey on old people because they know our older generation tend to be trusting rather than cynical.

If I could get my hands on these fuck heads, I'd take their knees out with a baseball bat then work on their testicles with garden shears.

I'm not in a good mood.

818 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:53:30pm

re: #807 Floral Giraffe

You sadist.
Thank you!
He's not available here!

Sorry about that. I can give you his email address if that's any help ;-)

819 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:53:30pm

re: #814 NJDhockeyfan

I won't be going to HuffPo for a while, that's for sure. What a disgusting cesspool.

I only ever go over there if someone links something good for me to look at. And I look at it, and then I back out. And I NEVER read the comments.

820 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:53:38pm

re: #817 b_sharp

This is a bit off topic but I need to vent a bit.

My dad just got scammed for $9000 by some fucking lowlife and his buddies pretending to be my son in trouble. They claimed the kid was in an accident and had to pay off the damages or be charged. They even had him pull money out of the bank twice.

Shitholes like this prey on old people because they know our older generation tend to be trusting rather than cynical.

If I could get my hands on these fuck heads, I'd take their knees out with a baseball bat then work on their testicles with garden shears.

I'm not in a good mood.

That sucks..... I've heard of scams like that.

821 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:53:40pm

re: #811 SanFranciscoZionist

DOn't read the comments at HuffPo. Don't read the comments at Yahoo. FOR GOD'S SAKE, don't read the comments at AOL. There is NOTHING to be gained from going to such places.

I made the awful mistake of getting into an argument with an anti-Semite on Yahoo once. You know the ones who "quote Talmudic writing"? Days later I got a notice at my account that told me I had violated TOS, but they didn't say exactly what, and that my next warning, they would close my email account. It had to be that conversation because I don't do anything with Yahoo.

I never read their news anymore unless I'm following a link.

822 drcordell  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:53:49pm

re: #810 Stanley Sea

How bout Politico? The new media model? Their comments are disgusting. I've complained probably 15 times. No response, no change. To me it signifies that they think the comments are American's talking or something. They are vile. Totally diminishes the site.

The comments at any major news website are complete and utter filth, it's the same no matter where you go. Huffpo, Yahoo, Fox News are all ignorant garbage. The web cartoon Penny Arcade sums it up best with this strip right here:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/

823 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:53:50pm

I listened to Juan Cole get interviewed on the radio this evening regarding the end of combat operations in Iraq. The man is so smart he's stupid. My favorite part was when he said Al Queda has been reduced to only being able to send out would be martyrs who can only manage to set their underpants on fire. Whuh?

824 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:53:54pm

Because I want to!

Youtube Video
825 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:54:11pm

I gotta laugh when people say "Nope, wasn't really affected here. That's just the wingnuts".

The Patriot Act, DHS, Two wars, countless international operations, a new mission for NATO, new conflicts with the UN, the list goes on and on. 9/11 did change everything. Sorry if its not politically correct to say so, but look around you. That day had a profound impact on everyone on this planet. Glad you stood strong and convinced yourself that civil liberties and religious freedom must remain priority #1, but that was not the experience of most.

826 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:55:05pm

re: #821 marjoriemoon

I made the awful mistake of getting into an argument with an anti-Semite on Yahoo once. You know the ones who "quote Talmudic writing"? Days later I got a notice at my account that told me I had violated TOS, but they didn't say exactly what, and that my next warning, they would close my email account. It had to be that conversation because I don't do anything with Yahoo.

I never read their news anymore unless I'm following a link.

The 'Talmudic quotes' shitheads made one key error. They did the 'Talmudic quotes' bit on me first. As a result, when they tell me the horrible secrets of Islam, I give them the stinkeye, 'cause I know they're filthy liars and I've already heard the routine.

827 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:55:08pm

re: #817 b_sharp

This is a bit off topic but I need to vent a bit.

My dad just got scammed for $9000 by some fucking lowlife and his buddies pretending to be my son in trouble. They claimed the kid was in an accident and had to pay off the damages or be charged. They even had him pull money out of the bank twice.

Shitholes like this prey on old people because they know our older generation tend to be trusting rather than cynical.

If I could get my hands on these fuck heads, I'd take their knees out with a baseball bat then work on their testicles with garden shears.

I'm not in a good mood.

You need to call the cops. If they did this to him, they're doing it to others. Will be easier to catch them, the more reports they have.

828 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:55:13pm

re: #817 b_sharp

Oh hell that's awful. Canada? They tried to get my dad too.

829 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:55:18pm

re: #825 McSpiff

I gotta laugh when people say "Nope, wasn't really affected here. That's just the wingnuts".

That's nice. BTW, where do people say that?

Because it wasn't said here or in this thread.

830 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:56:03pm

re: #787 NJDhockeyfan

OK, I just stopped reading the comments at HuffPo. The defending of Hamas and anti-Semite posts are just too much to view. It's making my head hurt.

NJD,

I've heard you complain of the horrors you see at places I check out. I figured I missed the horrible comments you describe.

But here I am again, where you describe the comments you've seen in exactly the same way you described them months ago. I'm wondering...are you just spewing the typical shit?

Hate begets hate.

831 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:56:17pm

re: #817 b_sharp

That's very fucked up. I'm so sorry.

I just narrowly saved my mom from "buying" the "antivirus" trojan on her computer. She said it told her she had several viruses, and just wanted to get rid of them. Had she not called me first, she would have had her credit card maxed out.

People who prey on the very old, the young, and the infirm deserve no quarter. How we treat those who cannot defend themselves, when nobody is looking, reveals more about our character than 1000 acts of kindness performed in the public eye.

832 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:56:21pm

re: #822 drcordell

The comments at any major news website are complete and utter filth, it's the same no matter where you go. Huffpo, Yahoo, Fox News are all ignorant garbage. The web cartoon Penny Arcade sums it up best with this strip right here:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/

For some reason, it was AOL when JFK Jr. died that floored me. Reams of horrible conspiracy theories, and gross stuff, and racist stuff, and just plain evil stuff, and then the occasional polite note from India or Malaysia or some place, in polite formal English, giving condolences to the people of the United States.

I never went back.

833 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:56:44pm

re: #823 Mich-again

I listened to Juan Cole get interviewed on the radio this evening regarding the end of combat operations in Iraq. The man is so smart he's stupid. My favorite part was when he said Al Queda has been reduced to only being able to send out would be martyrs who can only manage to set their underpants on fire. Whuh?

Well, he DID set his underpants on fire.

834 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:57:10pm

re: #817 b_sharp

My dad just got scammed for $9000 by some fucking lowlife and his buddies pretending to be my son in trouble. They claimed the kid was in an accident and had to pay off the damages or be charged. They even had him pull money out of the bank twice.

Damn, I am sorry. I don't know where you are, but I heard about this on my local news two days ago. This scam has been pulled in Newberry, SC several times. (Not sure if it is Newberry County or the City of Newberry)

I hadn't heard about it anywhere else and thought it was just a local thing. :(

835 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:57:11pm

re: #829 iceweasel

That's nice. BTW, where do people say that?

Because it wasn't said here or in this thread.

Probably why I didn't quote anyone then?

836 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:57:28pm

re: #825 McSpiff

I gotta laugh when people say "Nope, wasn't really affected here. That's just the wingnuts".

The Patriot Act, DHS, Two wars, countless international operations, a new mission for NATO, new conflicts with the UN, the list goes on and on. 9/11 did change everything. Sorry if its not politically correct to say so, but look around you. That day had a profound impact on everyone on this planet. Glad you stood strong and convinced yourself that civil liberties and religious freedom must remain priority #1, but that was not the experience of most.

Now, if we're talking practically, and politically, that's a whole new ballpark. This conversation to date has been about feelings. I think.

837 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:58:16pm

re: #835 McSpiff

Probably why I didn't quote anyone then?

Oh. Just random then.

So where are these Americans who claim 9-11 only affected wingnuts, btw?

838 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:58:21pm

re: #817 b_sharp

A big scammer took my folks for lots more years back. He's taken a lot of people for a lot of money (millions and millions). Don't even get me started. Let me tell you, I know exactly how you feel.

839 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:58:39pm

I think I figured it out! Hooves. Miss Piggy.

You do know who Miss Piggy fell in love with.

Kermit! And who sounds like Kermit the Frog?

840 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:58:43pm

re: #817 b_sharp

Crap, you should tell the authorities.

841 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:58:49pm

re: #818 Jimmah

Sorry about that. I can give you his email address if that's any help ;-)

But, does he like OLD ladies?
LOL!
*smooch*

842 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:58:57pm

re: #817 b_sharp

Have you filed a complaint with the local cops and the FBI? I doubt it will get your dad's money back, but eventually they do prosecute some of the scams. Not enough of them, but some.

843 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:59:21pm

re: #842 daddylawbucks

Have you filed a complaint with the local cops and the FBI? I doubt it will get your dad's money back, but eventually they do prosecute some of the scams. Not enough of them, but some.

The more data they have, the better the chance that they can make a case.

844 bratwurst  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:59:23pm

re: #802 NJDhockeyfan

That's a fucking lie. I joke about the people who are scared of Fox News. I have NEVER posted a single thing about Rush. I don't listen to him.

No?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

845 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:59:30pm

Way OT
Been a while since I posted any photography. Took a little time out for this after a cover assignment and some difficulties on the mosque photo project.
Shameless page pimping.

846 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:59:37pm

The only people i know who claim only wingnuts were emotionally affected by 9-11 are....wingnuts. huh.

847 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:00:05pm

re: #822 drcordell

The comments at any major news website are complete and utter filth, it's the same no matter where you go. Huffpo, Yahoo, Fox News are all ignorant garbage. The web cartoon Penny Arcade sums it up best with this strip right here:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/

yep.

848 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:00:06pm

re: #830 Stanley Sea

NJD,

I've heard you complain of the horrors you see at places I check out. I figured I missed the horrible comments you describe.

But here I am again, where you describe the comments you've seen in exactly the same way you described them months ago. I'm wondering...are you just spewing the typical shit?

Hate begets hate.

I mention the massive hate spewing at HuffPo and you accuse me of spewing the same thing? Are you that stupid or just an asshole?

849 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:00:13pm

re: #827 marjoriemoon

You need to call the cops. If they did this to him, they're doing it to others. Will be easier to catch them, the more reports they have.

We went to the cops first thing this morning. They're going to contact the cops where the calls originated and see if cameras at the money transfer business caught them.

He'll never get the money back, but maybe catching these bastards will prevent it happening to other old people.

850 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:00:36pm

re: #837 iceweasel

Oh. Just random then.

So where are these Americans who claim 9-11 only affected wingnuts, btw?

Not random at all actually. Spare was talking about a Canadian response to 9/11, reminded me of my own experience. As a canadian I've seen others basically respond with "meh, nothing to do with me." Meanwhile we now have TSA screeners in our airports, air marshals on our flights, etc. Crossing the boarder is totally different, we're in Afghanistan.

Why the hostility tonight?

851 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:01:26pm

re: #827 marjoriemoon

Cops won't go after white collar crime, sometimes not even if it's for hundreds of thousands. They'll say it's a civil matter, and you need to lawyer up.

852 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:01:52pm

re: #839 Gus 802

I think I figured it out! Hooves. Miss Piggy.

You do know who Miss Piggy fell in love with.

Kermit! And who sounds like Kermit the Frog?

Morrissey of the Smiths?

853 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:02:03pm

re: #828 Rightwingconspirator

Oh hell that's awful. Canada? They tried to get my dad too.

Sounds like they were centred in Montreal. They had someone play my son, and two others play cops.

It was well organized.

854 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:02:23pm

Yazoo, "Nobody's Diary'

Youtube Video

Night, lizards.

855 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:02:27pm

re: #852 Mr Pancakes

Morrissey of the Smiths?

Glenn Beck

856 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:03:04pm

re: #831 Fozzie Bear

That's very fucked up. I'm so sorry.

I just narrowly saved my mom from "buying" the "antivirus" trojan on her computer. She said it told her she had several viruses, and just wanted to get rid of them. Had she not called me first, she would have had her credit card maxed out.

People who prey on the very old, the young, and the infirm deserve no quarter. How we treat those who cannot defend themselves, when nobody is looking, reveals more about our character than 1000 acts of kindness performed in the public eye.

You said it well.

857 Max  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:03:22pm

George W. Bush,

Your courage in our nation's darkest hour is something that I have looked up to for years. While the mainstream media trashed you, you toiled, fought, and tried to built a better world.

You exported America's greatest resource, liberty, and you would not stand by as a vaccuum of values to formed, waiting to be filled by Chinese autocrats or Islamist thugs.

No matter the outcome in Iraq, you tried to build a better world, a safer world. That is something that none of the moonbats or the Sheehan's of the world could never do.

God (if you exit) Bless President George W. Bush.

- Max D. Reinhardt

858 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:03:27pm

re: #849 b_sharp

We went to the cops first thing this morning. They're going to contact the cops where the calls originated and see if cameras at the money transfer business caught them.

He'll never get the money back, but maybe catching these bastards will prevent it happening to other old people.

Good deal. Well, you don't know really. You may get some of it back.

Has it come a time when someone else should be managing his finances? Like a family member pay his bills, etc. Give him spending money?

859 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:03:35pm

re: #832 SanFranciscoZionist

For some reason, it was AOL when JFK Jr. died that floored me. Reams of horrible conspiracy theories, and gross stuff, and racist stuff, and just plain evil stuff, and then the occasional polite note from India or Malaysia or some place, in polite formal English, giving condolences to the people of the United States.

I never went back.

I can count on one hand how many times I've been to AOL, ever. I have no interest in that website.

860 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:03:45pm

Tonight's dinner:
Me - Fresh Ahi fish tacos.
Banjo & Fozzie (the dogs) - Fresh grilled Ahi steaks
Bflat (the cat) - Ahi sashimi.

It's good to share.

861 Max  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:03:58pm

*exist

862 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:04:03pm

re: #839 Gus 802

I think I figured it out! Hooves. Miss Piggy.

You do know who Miss Piggy fell in love with.

Kermit! And who sounds like Kermit the Frog?

FINIS par Gus

863 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:04:26pm

re: #853 b_sharp

Oh crap. Well they will have your report and his. A teller at his bank saved his butt because she was aware of this scam. It's huge.

864 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:04:34pm

re: #833 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, he DID set his underpants on fire.

Then that makes him a liar liar.
/

865 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:04:44pm

re: #783 Spare O'Lake

When I saw the second plane hit the WTC on live TV in my Toronto office tower I was traumatized.

Oh, me too. Ice-up-the-spine freakout time. For a week I hid under my bed whenever I heard a military plane fly over. And that's in Oregon, which I knew damn well had no chance of being a target.

Hey, remember being really really concerned about the people in New York? Yeah, now we don't care about their opinions, we just tell them what they can and can't do with their town. Remember all of the emergency workers who came from neighboring states and Canada to help out? Yep, now the GOP voted against giving them a little extra health care coverage to help with some of the health issues that 9/11 created. One day, Sarah Palin is excluding New York from her "Real America" map, the next day she's tweeting commands to her followers regarding the horrible tragedy that she cares about so much. One day Glenn Beck is sobbing about 9/11, the next day he's sick of hearing from all those "whining" 9/11 victims' families. Those whose concern for 9/11 is only activated when politically convenient, I have less than no use for.

As freaked out as all of the rest of us were, it's hubris to pretend that our trauma was in any way equal to the people who directly suffered from the devastation, or that it elevates our opinion to the degree that we can overrule theirs. We can get over it. But as long as we keep telling them what they can or can't do because they live on "hallowed ground," they won't be able to.

It's not "hallowed." It's not "sacred." It's just a place where a really bad thing happened one time. America is supposed to be able to bounce back and get on with getting on. It's kind of one of our selling points. So let's do that.

866 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:05:00pm

re: #851 theheat

Cops won't go after white collar crime, sometimes not even if it's for hundreds of thousands. They'll say it's a civil matter, and you need to lawyer up.

He did the right thing by filing a report. You almost can't avoid lawyers with such a thing, but maybe get one to work on contingency.

867 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:05:10pm

re: #860 darthstar

I want to come back as a dog and live at your house.

868 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:05:11pm

re: #859 NJDhockeyfan

I can count on one hand how many times I've been to AOL, ever. I have no interest in that website.

I wouldn't advise you develop any.

I read a lot of the comments on the major California papers when there was the rape at the school next to the place I used to work last fall. The comments on those articles were so gruesomely racist my hair stood on end.

I think Yahoo is the worst, though, because it's so gargantuan. The sewage washes up there.

869 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:05:49pm

re: #826 SanFranciscoZionist

The 'Talmudic quotes' shitheads made one key error. They did the 'Talmudic quotes' bit on me first. As a result, when they tell me the horrible secrets of Islam, I give them the stinkeye, 'cause I know they're filthy liars and I've already heard the routine.

Don't even get me started on the "pro-Zionists" who spam the phony Martin Luther King "Letter to an anti-Zionist"

I have lost Facebook friends and Twitter followers over that urban myth.

870 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:05:57pm

re: #795 PT Barnum

But why were you traumatized? Was it because we were attacked on our own soil? Because your world view was changed? Why? Trauma implies that 9/11 inflicted some sort of deep injury to your psyche from which you will never recover.

Trauma does not imply that the condition is incurable.
I felt physically and emotionally ill.
I was unable to concentrate on my work.
I was mesmerized and went home and sat glued to the TV for many days.
It was a life-changing experience.
I was traumatized.

871 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:06:05pm

Adios, all. Play nice,

872 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:06:15pm

re: #864 NJDhockeyfan

Then that makes him a liar liar.
/

Or just a profoundly unsuccessful jihadi.

873 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:06:43pm

re: #790 Dark_Falcon

Well, Bush didn't let it phase him. Say what you want about W, he's got a good sense of humor.

Did you see the look on his face?

874 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:06:47pm

re: #858 marjoriemoon

Good deal. Well, you don't know really. You may get some of it back.

Has it come a time when someone else should be managing his finances? Like a family member pay his bills, etc. Give him spending money?

Power of attorney.
Someone with sense needs to be in charge of the money.
Yes, it's hard, but you have to do it.
It's either granted to you easily, or you get the attorney to do it the hard way.
It is in your loved ones best interests.
THAT is why you do it.

875 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:07:32pm

re: #845 Rightwingconspirator

Way OT
Been a while since I posted any photography. Took a little time out for this after a cover assignment and some difficulties on the mosque photo project.
Shameless page pimping.

Very cool. Someday I 'd like to talk about your Canon.

876 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:08:13pm

re: #844 bratwurst

No?


Oh, shit, I made three comments about his wedding. I must be a total Rush drone!
/

877 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:09:02pm

re: #850 McSpiff

Not random at all actually. Spare was talking about a Canadian response to 9/11, reminded me of my own experience. As a canadian I've seen others basically respond with "meh, nothing to do with me." Meanwhile we now have TSA screeners in our airports, air marshals on our flights, etc. Crossing the boarder is totally different, we're in Afghanistan.

Why the hostility tonight?

We all had a strong reaction to 9/11. However, it's silly to try to suggest that the feelings of people like myself and others who were not there cannot equal that of those who lived and worked in the vicinity. That is the point that was being made by iceweasel and others here tonight.

What hostility are you talking about? As far as I can see, the only hostility in this discussion was yours, when you downdinged ice's 801, and proceeded to defend Spares litmus test, which you are now backtracking on.

878 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:09:12pm

re: #870 Spare O'Lake

Trauma does not imply that the condition is incurable.
I felt physically and emotionally ill.
I was unable to concentrate on my work.
I was mesmerized and went home and sat glued to the TV for many days.
It was a life-changing experience.
I was traumatized.

I think you're unnecessarily nit picking here. We were all traumatized by the event itself, even days or weeks after. But 3, 5, 9 years down the line, we aren't going through PTSD which most of the survivors probably are. Being a direct victim of such an event never leaves you. The nation has one kind of agony and the victims an entirely different kind of agony.

879 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:09:12pm

re: #865 elbruce

Oh, me too. Ice-up-the-spine freakout time. For a week I hid under my bed whenever I heard a military plane fly over. And that's in Oregon, which I knew damn well had no chance of being a target.

Once I realized what was going on, I wondered if I should go to work. Then I remembered talking to my landlady in London's mom, who told me about going to work every morning during the Blitz, even though sometimes you sort of had to guess where the bus was going to be if the neighborhood had shifted a bit under bombardment. So I figured I shouldn't be an asshole, and I went to work.

Downtown San Francisco was interesting in those weeks. Besides the fact that some of the brokers at my firm had lost people they knew, everyone started looking up. Not just when planes went over. You'd see people standing in the street, just looking up. Most downtown people don't comprehend 'up' as a direction unless they're in elevators.

We looked like a bunch of damn geese. It was a very weird period of time.

880 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:09:52pm

re: #875 Decatur Deb

Anytime.

881 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:09:58pm

Uh oh. I just got Pamalanched.

Ah, what the hell should I care if they're all visiting my blog? Maybe they will drop a few bucks at the Zionist Mall.

882 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:10:05pm

re: #877 Jimmah


We all had a strong reaction to 9/11. However, it's silly to try to suggest that the feelings of people like myself and others who were not there equal that of those who lived and worked in the vicinity.

PIMF

883 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:10:29pm

re: #872 SanFranciscoZionist

Or just a profoundly unsuccessful jihadi.

Those are my favorite kind of jihadists.

884 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:10:37pm

re: #857 Max D. Reinhardt

George W. Bush,

Your courage in our nation's darkest hour is something that I have looked up to for years. While the mainstream media trashed you, you toiled, fought, and tried to built a better world.

You exported America's greatest resource, liberty, and you would not stand by as a vaccuum of values to formed, waiting to be filled by Chinese autocrats or Islamist thugs.

No matter the outcome in Iraq, you tried to build a better world, a safer world. That is something that none of the moonbats or the Sheehan's of the world could never do.

God (if you exit) Bless President George W. Bush.

- Max D. Reinhardt


"you tried to build a better world, a safer world. That is something that none of the moonbats or the Sheehan's of the world could never do."

WHAT... THE.... FUCK?

Moonbats can't at least try to make the world a better place?

885 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:11:32pm

re: #877 Jimmah

We all had a strong reaction to 9/11. However, it's silly to try to suggest that the feelings of people like myself and others who were not there cannot equal that of those who lived and worked in the vicinity. That is the point that was being made by iceweasel and others here tonight.

What hostility are you talking about? As far as I can see, the only hostility in this discussion was yours, when you downdinged ice's 801, and proceeded to defend Spares litmus test, which you are now backtracking on.

That is like saying people outside NOLA were less upset about Katrina than people who were their.

Literal experiences differ by virtue of proximity, of course.

Emotional reactions are not bound by geography.

886 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:11:47pm

re: #883 NJDhockeyfan

Those are my favorite kind of jihadists.

Very much the best kind. And Mr. Fruit of the Boom didn't change security much, so far. I still curse Richard Reid every time I have to slip out of my shoes in an airport.

887 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:11:58pm

re: #865 elbruce

bravo

888 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:12:12pm

re: #850 McSpiff

Not random at all actually. Spare was talking about a Canadian response to 9/11, reminded me of my own experience.

Probably the best Canadian 9-11 response I know of was Gander International Airport. 39 heavy aircraft landed there after the US closed its airspace. The airport has 2 runways; they used one of them as a parking lot.

I've been in Gander; despite being an International airport, it's small. Most of the planes landing there are making a refueling stop. But somehow they got all of those people fed and housed.

889 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:12:56pm

re: #885 researchok

That is like saying people outside NOLA were less upset about Katrina than people who were their.

I'm sure I was a HELL of a lot less upset about Katrina than someone whose entire life was altered by it.

890 Nimed  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:13:05pm

re: #801 iceweasel

Downding for your blatant asshattery, Spare.
The start of this was when you demanded to know if Stanley Sea was traumatised, and you were clearly implying that anyone not in the fetal position wetting themselves like you is somehow unaffected or (gasp) unamerican.

Sick of the years of wingnut bullshit, specifically people nowhere near nyc or dc who want to wrap themselves in that 9-11 identity. And especially the people who want to run it as a litmus purity test on liberals. "if you're not bedwetting you're not with us, you're against us!"
Fuck that shit, and that's exactly what you were doing. So why don't you cut your own disingenuous crap?

Exactly. To compound on the bullshit, some of the "traumatized" people are often completely dismissive about the deaths of Iraqi civilians. Not many wingnuts out there writing about the 100,000 violent deaths in a country with 30 million people, or the fact that almost half the Iraqi children are now orphans. The topic of choice when it comes to Iraq? WE WON and IT WAS ALL TOTALLY WORTH IT.

891 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:13:09pm

Evening Honcos.

892 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:13:44pm

re: #833 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, he DID set his underpants on fire.

But I doubt that the people and ideology of AQ are really gone. He was making light of their ability to wage attacks anymore. Pretty foolish in my mind. Another part I disagreed with was when he credited our involvement in Iraq for "unleashing Iran" on the world. I don't see how having the US Military stationed next door in Iraq was viewed as a green light for mischief by the Mullahs and even if it was, how exactly did Iran express the new unleashed status? They haven't changed a bit. Still waging low level warfare by funding miscreants throughout the ME, just like they always did. Still playing the part of Pear-Shaped Ali at the UN. I guess Cole is saying is that the Iraqi people would be better off and the region would be more stable with the Hussein-Mullah stand-off and occasional war. Nice. Its the old "Saddam was a good Zookeeper and if we keep Iran and Iraq at war, they'll leave the rest of us alone" reasoning.

To me its kind of like cleaning out a cluttered basement. Halfway into the job it looks worse than when you started.

893 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:13:44pm

re: #879 SanFranciscoZionist

I had a late morning deposition in Oxnard (maybe 75 miles from where I live), I called opposing counsel and their reaction was "don't let those bastards win, if you let then scare you, they won" So we drove to Oxnard and did our work.

894 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:13:55pm

re: #891 Cannadian Club Akbar

Evening Honcos.

CCA! Welcome aboard!

895 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:14:19pm

re: #822 drcordell

The comments at any major news website are complete and utter filth, it's the same no matter where you go. Huffpo, Yahoo, Fox News are all ignorant garbage. The web cartoon Penny Arcade sums it up best with this strip right here:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/

For once I agree with you.

896 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:14:35pm

re: #877 Jimmah

We all had a strong reaction to 9/11. However, it's silly to try to suggest that the feelings of people like myself and others who were not there cannot equal that of those who lived and worked in the vicinity. That is the point that was being made by iceweasel and others here tonight.

And I think you're downplaying the impact the attacks, and the media coverage had on people outside of NYC. I don't think Spare is claiming to be equal, but people were truly afraid for years later. I know people who still don't like to fly, or don't like office towers. These are not exactly uncommon. The event itself was local, the coverage most certainly wasn't.


What hostility are you talking about? As far as I can see, the only hostility in this discussion was yours, when you downdinged ice's 801, and proceeded to defend Spares litmus test, which you are now backtracking on.

Hostile dinging? Honestly?

897 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:14:36pm

re: #894 SteveC

CCA! Welcome aboard!

Long see, no time!

898 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:15:13pm

re: #890 Nimed

Half the Iraqi children are orphans? If there are, just for kicks, 2 million people in Iraq, wouldn't that mean at least a million parents were killed? The math on that 50% orphan thing smells funny.

899 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:15:21pm

Fidel is in the news today...

Castro admits persecuting gays


Fidel Castro has said he is ultimately responsible for the persecution suffered by homosexuals in Cuba after the 1959 revolution.

The former president has told a Mexican newspaper that there had been moments of "great injustice" against the gay community.

"If someone is responsible, it's me," he said.

In the 1960s and 1970s, many homosexuals in Cuba were fired from their jobs, imprisoned, or sent to "re-education camps".

900 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:15:39pm

re: #896 McSpiff

And my formatting crapped out there:

We all had a strong reaction to 9/11. However, it's silly to try to suggest that the feelings of people like myself and others who were not there cannot equal that of those who lived and worked in the vicinity. That is the point that was being made by iceweasel and others here tonight.

And I think you're downplaying the impact the attacks, and the media coverage had on people outside of NYC. I don't think Spare is claiming to be equal, but people were truly afraid for years later. I know people who still don't like to fly, or don't like office towers. These are not exactly uncommon. The event itself was local, the coverage most certainly wasn't.

What hostility are you talking about? As far as I can see, the only hostility in this discussion was yours, when you downdinged ice's 801, and proceeded to defend Spares litmus test, which you are now backtracking on.

Hostile dinging? honestly?

901 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:15:40pm

re: #889 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure I was a HELL of a lot less upset about Katrina than someone whose entire life was altered by it.

Yes, proximity adds another dimension, of course.

902 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:15:59pm

Never felt traumatized over 911. I was pretty livid on my drive to were I was working. I was basically screaming to myself some things that would get me banned in 0.01 seconds. Calmed down after an hour. Most of my feelings was sorrow for the victims which lasted several months since I tended to look over many of the victim websites.

903 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:16:09pm

re: #897 Cannadian Club Akbar

Long see, no time!

Yeah, I seem to be turning into a weekend only Lizard. Someone left my cage unlocked tonight.

904 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:16:14pm

We're clearly all working with different definitions of 'trauma' here.

I think the thing I notice that sets me apart in experience from some Americans I talk to sometimes about 9/11 is that I fully expected that there would be such an attack during my lifetime, and I had years of watching Israelis model how one acts when one's nation is going through such.

Granted, it was about ten times bigger than I had imagined, but my first reaction was "So, it's here, and this is how it's going to happen."

This does not seem to have been everyone's experience.

905 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:16:37pm

re: #896 McSpiff

Hostile dinging? Honestly?

Yea.....some people take up and down dinging VERY seriously for some reason.

906 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:16:52pm

re: #902 Gus 802

Never felt traumatized over 911. I was pretty livid on my drive to were I was working. I was basically screaming to myself some things that would get me banned in 0.01 seconds. Calmed down after an hour. Most of my feelings was sorrow for the victims which lasted several months since I tended to look over many of the victim websites.

For me it was always more sadness, horror, fear, and sorrow than anything resembling anger.

Granted I was in 7th grade when it went down and didn't loose anyone in the event...

907 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:16:54pm

re: #902 Gus 802

Never felt traumatized over 911. I was pretty livid on my drive to were I was working. I was basically screaming to myself some things that would get me banned in 0.01 seconds. Calmed down after an hour. Most of my feelings was sorrow for the victims which lasted several months since I tended to look over many of the victim websites.

I still have a hard time watching the video of the planes flying into the buildings.

908 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:17:20pm

re: #905 Mr Pancakes

Yea...some people take up and down dinging VERY seriously for some reason.

I think I have done 2 down dings in 5 years.

909 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:17:31pm

I'd like to encourage certain readers, to post more.
You know who you are...
And, yes you have a LOT to contribute..
IF you dare!

910 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:17:31pm

re: #892 Mich-again

But I doubt that the people and ideology of AQ are really gone. He was making light of their ability to wage attacks anymore. Pretty foolish in my mind. Another part I disagreed with was when he credited our involvement in Iraq for "unleashing Iran" on the world. I don't see how having the US Military stationed next door in Iraq was viewed as a green light for mischief by the Mullahs and even if it was, how exactly did Iran express the new unleashed status? They haven't changed a bit. Still waging low level warfare by funding miscreants throughout the ME, just like they always did. Still playing the part of Pear-Shaped Ali at the UN. I guess Cole is saying is that the Iraqi people would be better off and the region would be more stable with the Hussein-Mullah stand-off and occasional war. Nice. Its the old "Saddam was a good Zookeeper and if we keep Iran and Iraq at war, they'll leave the rest of us alone" reasoning.

To me its kind of like cleaning out a cluttered basement. Halfway into the job it looks worse than when you started.

I have my doubts about the ultimate cleanability of the basement. God willing, I'm wrong.

But I was mostly just pointing out that the underpants part, at least, was factual.

;)

911 jaunte  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:17:32pm

re: #905 Mr Pancakes

Yea...some people take up and down dinging VERY seriously for some reason.

It's the free airline miles.

912 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:17:47pm

re: #879 SanFranciscoZionist

Once I realized what was going on, I wondered if I should go to work. Then I remembered talking to my landlady in London's mom, who told me about going to work every morning during the Blitz, even though sometimes you sort of had to guess where the bus was going to be if the neighborhood had shifted a bit under bombardment. So I figured I shouldn't be an asshole, and I went to work.

Downtown San Francisco was interesting in those weeks. Besides the fact that some of the brokers at my firm had lost people they knew, everyone started looking up. Not just when planes went over. You'd see people standing in the street, just looking up. Most downtown people don't comprehend 'up' as a direction unless they're in elevators.

We looked like a bunch of damn geese. It was a very weird period of time.

An Israeli lady in our office in Herzliya had lived through the Blitz, then made aliya. During Desert Storm Saddam dropped a scud in her neighborhood (Ramat Gan, IIRC). She was very hard to ruffle.

913 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:17:48pm

re: #908 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think I have done 2 down dings in 5 years.

Same here.....

914 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:18:12pm

re: #911 jaunte

It's the free airline miles.

Now that's funny.

915 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:18:13pm

re: #907 researchok

I still have a hard time watching the video of the planes flying into the buildings.

I was like that for a long time. Been about a year were it doesn't bother me as much. It's still hard to watch.

916 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:19:10pm

re: #902 Gus 802
I remember wanting the US to start bombing the sh*t out of somewhere-anywhere. Good thing I didn't have the football.

917 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:19:19pm

re: #889 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure I was a HELL of a lot less upset about Katrina than someone whose entire life was altered by it.

Katrina hit home for me. We were directly affected by it, for one, but not nearly as bad as N.O.

Living through a disaster like that is a bizarre community experience. You hear reports of looting and such, but having been through a few of these storms, including Andrew, there's an automatic human kindness that kicks in. If you lost your trees, you were lucky because the next guy lost his trees and his car. If you lost trees and the car, you were lucky because the next guy lost his trees, car and roof. And so on. Someone was always worse off and you thanked God.

And if you had a bag of ice and the neighbor had none, you give them half. 90% of Miami was like that.

918 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:19:27pm

re: #915 Gus 802

I was like that for a long time. Been about a year were it doesn't bother me as much. It's still hard to watch.

I have the NatGeo "Inside 9/11" video. I have no problem watching it.

919 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:19:37pm

re: #888 SteveC

Probably the best Canadian 9-11 response I know of was Gander International Airport. 39 heavy aircraft landed there after the US closed its airspace. The airport has 2 runways; they used one of them as a parking lot.

I've been in Gander; despite being an International airport, it's small. Most of the planes landing there are making a refueling stop. But somehow they got all of those people fed and housed.

My city's airport took 47 beating out Gander for the largest number of diverted flights. There were many billeted families in my neighborhood. Whole thing was surreal. We're a small airport too, same idea. Used a runway as a parking lot.

Here's an image: Image: halifaxplanes.jpg

920 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:19:38pm

I remember on one of the following days noticing that the skies were empty. Except one day I saw this high contrail of an aircraft making a 180.

921 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:19:47pm

re: #801 iceweasel

Downding for your blatant asshattery, Spare.
The start of this was when you demanded to know if Stanley Sea was traumatised, and you were clearly implying that anyone not in the fetal position wetting themselves like you is somehow unaffected or (gasp) unamerican.

Sick of the years of wingnut bullshit, specifically people nowhere near nyc or dc who want to wrap themselves in that 9-11 identity. And especially the people who want to run it as a litmus purity test on liberals. "if you're not bedwetting you're not with us, you're against us!"
Fuck that shit, and that's exactly what you were doing. So why don't you cut your own disingenuous crap?

That is a new low even for you, and I see that you have snapped again.
You are obviously crazed by your partisanship and hatred.
You ascribe evil and partisan motives to those who say they were traumatized by the horrors they witnessed live on TV...how ugly and sad.
I pity you.

922 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:19:47pm

re: #858 marjoriemoon

Good deal. Well, you don't know really. You may get some of it back.

Has it come a time when someone else should be managing his finances? Like a family member pay his bills, etc. Give him spending money?

No, not at all. He's fully aware and still has his wits about him. He's only 78. He can still add a dozen 6 digit numbers in his head in a matter of seconds. He just cares about his family (something he didn't do when he was younger), and they played him.

923 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:20:18pm

re: #902 Gus 802

Never felt traumatized over 911. I was pretty livid on my drive to were I was working. I was basically screaming to myself some things that would get me banned in 0.01 seconds. Calmed down after an hour. Most of my feelings was sorrow for the victims which lasted several months since I tended to look over many of the victim websites.

I got to be the one to explain what was going on to several co-workers who had been in transit all morning and had missed the whole story breaking.

That was fun.

924 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:20:26pm

re: #870 Spare O'Lake

Trauma does not imply that the condition is incurable.
I felt physically and emotionally ill.
I was unable to concentrate on my work.
I was mesmerized and went home and sat glued to the TV for many days.
It was a life-changing experience.
I was traumatized.

We all were. In exactly the same way.

Let me tell the story of my neighborhood after 9/11.

We lived by a flight path. Planes every day, every 10 minutes. Used to it. All of a sudden, none.

Like day 3, all of a sudden there are these helicopters circling...wha? We are open people, our front door is wide open on a busy kind of street. We have a big screen thats on, at the moment 24/7 to the terrorist attacks. I'm sitting on the couch kind of freaking out hearing the helire: #885 researchok

That is like saying people outside NOLA were less upset about Katrina than people who were their.

Literal experiences differ by virtue of proximity, of course.

Emotional reactions are not bound by geography.

Please.

925 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:20:28pm

re: #904 SanFranciscoZionist

We're clearly all working with different definitions of 'trauma' here.

I think the thing I notice that sets me apart in experience from some Americans I talk to sometimes about 9/11 is that I fully expected that there would be such an attack during my lifetime, and I had years of watching Israelis model how one acts when one's nation is going through such.

Granted, it was about ten times bigger than I had imagined, but my first reaction was "So, it's here, and this is how it's going to happen."

This does not seem to have been everyone's experience.

I would say you were in a very small minority.

926 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:21:02pm

re: #917 marjoriemoon

I drove through Florida City a year after Andrew. Looked like a war zone.

927 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:21:08pm

re: #916 Mich-again

I remember wanting the US to start bombing the sh*t out of somewhere-anywhere. Good thing I didn't have the football.

I had already known about the Taliban. Iraq never even occurred to me. Didn't really give much thought to strategy.

928 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:21:33pm

re: #920 Gus 802

I remember on one of the following days noticing that the skies were empty. Except one day I saw this high contrail of an aircraft making a 180.

I remember looking up at the sky and wishing I could see contrails of planes again. I hate seeing them until that day. Now I hope they never go away.

929 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:21:54pm

re: #919 McSpiff

My city's airport took 47 beating out Gander for the largest number of diverted flights. There were many billeted families in my neighborhood. Whole thing was surreal. We're a small airport too, same idea. Used a runway as a parking lot.

Here's an image: Image: halifaxplanes.jpg

Gander had 39, Halifax had 47. Good on ya; at times like that you can only hope that everyone who can help gets involved.

930 jaunte  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:22:09pm

re: #920 Gus 802

For at least a week afterward, a couple of fighter jets flew over downtown Houston every afternoon; they were the only movement in the skies.

931 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:22:12pm

re: #912 Decatur Deb

An Israeli lady in our office in Herzliya had lived through the Blitz, then made aliya. During Desert Storm Saddam dropped a scud in her neighborhood (Ramat Gan, IIRC). She was very hard to ruffle.

John Hockenberry tells a wonderful story of people in Ramat Gan standing around an unexploded SCUD. One lady complains that she used to live in Tehran, and Saddam sent missiles, and then she moved to Ramat Gan, and Saddam sends more missiles, and this is starting to seem personal.

932 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:22:18pm

re: #678 theheat

Right now, it's done on paper. To me, it's done when the last US service person stationed there is home.

By that measure, it'll never happen...we still have soldiers stationed in Germany, Italy, Japan, and (South) Korea, a legacy of the wars we fought there.

933 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:22:27pm

re: #923 SanFranciscoZionist

I got to be the one to explain what was going on to several co-workers who had been in transit all morning and had missed the whole story breaking.

That was fun.

Really? I've mentioned it before but I first heard about it one the radio. I didn't know what to make of it. I was thinking to myself "what the fuck is this?" I didn't know if it was NPR doing some kind of remake of War of the Worlds. Seriously, I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

934 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:22:51pm

re: #870 Spare O'Lake

Trauma does not imply that the condition is incurable.
I felt physically and emotionally ill.
I was unable to concentrate on my work.
I was mesmerized and went home and sat glued to the TV for many days.
It was a life-changing experience.
I was traumatized.

Many of us were, even we Canadian lefties.

935 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:23:25pm

re: #916 Mich-again

I remember wanting the US to start bombing the sh*t out of somewhere-anywhere. Good thing I didn't have the football.

I recall sitting with a couple of middle-aged men in a bar. One had gone to Vietnam, one hadn't, both were ranting that THAT had been a stupid fucking war, but THIS one would be righteous, and they were too old to go now, damnit!!

936 Racer X  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:23:38pm

re: #920 Gus 802

I remember on one of the following days noticing that the skies were empty. Except one day I saw this high contrail of an aircraft making a 180.

A few weeks ago I saw a high contrail that made a very tight u-turn. I'm thinking super secret military jet. It was up near Palmdale CA. Very cool looking.

937 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:23:39pm

re: #932 talon_262

By that measure, it'll never happen...we still have soldiers stationed in Germany, Italy, Japan, and (South) Korea, a legacy of the wars we fought there.

Aren't our forces in South Korea stationed their in case (North) Korea starts acting up?

938 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:23:54pm

re: #924 Stanley Sea

LOL I had a big story, decided against posting the boring ass thing. and there I go.

forgive.

939 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:24:19pm

re: #933 Gus 802

Really? I've mentioned it before but I first heard about it one the radio. I didn't know what to make of it. I was thinking to myself "what the fuck is this?" I didn't know if it was NPR doing some kind of remake of War of the Worlds. Seriously, I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

I was on my last work day before vacation. Watching NBC. I remember Katie Couric thinking a fuselage blew when the second plane hit.

940 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:24:20pm

re: #929 SteveC

Gander had 39, Halifax had 47. Good on ya; at times like that you can only hope that everyone who can help gets involved.

Which also makes me question what 'directly involved' means. We had CF-18s overhead all day because NO ONE knew if all those plans were safe. They also had SWAT teams at the airport if I recall correctly. That was the hellish part, not knowing if it was over or not. People were worried one of those heavies would explode, etc.

941 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:24:33pm

re: #931 SanFranciscoZionist

John Hockenberry tells a wonderful story of people in Ramat Gan standing around an unexploded SCUD. One lady complains that she used to live in Tehran, and Saddam sent missiles, and then she moved to Ramat Gan, and Saddam sends more missiles, and this is starting to seem personal.

Sounds like they must be neighbors. I wouldn't do a vacation rental with either of them.

942 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:24:44pm

re: #925 McSpiff

I would say you were in a very small minority.

Apparently. I still wonder how that happened.

943 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:25:05pm

re: #921 Spare O'Lake

Congratulations. You officially sound like a Stalker. Please just leave Iceweasel alone.

944 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:25:12pm

re: #931 SanFranciscoZionist

John Hockenberry tells a wonderful story of people in Ramat Gan standing around an unexploded SCUD. One lady complains that she used to live in Tehran, and Saddam sent missiles, and then she moved to Ramat Gan, and Saddam sends more missiles, and this is starting to seem personal.

Umm... ma'm? Do you mind if we do this interview inside? Somewhere that is not close to the unexploded missile?

945 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:25:24pm

re: #927 Gus 802

I had already known about the Taliban. Iraq never even occurred to me. Didn't really give much thought to strategy.

I think number 14 or so out of the first hundred things I said after I got the news from NYC was "I guess we're going back to Iraq".

946 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:25:26pm

re: #921 Spare O'Lake

That is a new low even for you, and I see that you have snapped again.
You are obviously crazed by your partisanship and hatred.
You ascribe evil and partisan motives to those who say they were traumatized by the horrors they witnessed live on TV...how ugly and sad.
I pity you.

No, Spare, it's very simple. You were very clearly engaging in ugly and sad behaviour, demanding Stanley Sea's emotional bona fides vis-a-vis 9-11. Having been answered quite eloquently by SFZ and Stanley, and rather less eloquently but directly by me, you've decided to, as usual, attack rather than defend your increasingly spiteful and empty positions.

Ugly and sad? Imputing evil motives to people? Distorting people's statements? That would be a good description of your posts on any given day.
I realise you are suffering from terminal butthurt, but it's like you don't even try anymore.

947 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:25:57pm

re: #936 Racer X

A few weeks ago I saw a high contrail that made a very tight u-turn. I'm thinking super secret military jet. It was up near Palmdale CA. Very cool looking.

I see a lot of that along with helicopters out here in the mountains. Sometimes the copters fly low right over my house. I can read some of the numbers on them sometimes. I's pretty cool to watch from my yard.

948 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:26:18pm

re: #933 Gus 802

Really? I've mentioned it before but I first heard about it one the radio. I didn't know what to make of it. I was thinking to myself "what the fuck is this?" I didn't know if it was NPR doing some kind of remake of War of the Worlds. Seriously, I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

Me too, but it was the local shock jocks in San Diego..... I thought it was a comedy sketch gone awry at first.

949 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:26:40pm

re: #937 jamesfirecat

Aren't our forces in South Korea stationed their in case (North) Korea starts acting up?

They're there so we can use the slogan "Remember the 2nd ID" during the nest war.

950 jaunte  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:27:05pm

re: #921 Spare O'Lake

Sick of the years of wingnut bullshit, specifically people nowhere near nyc or dc who want to wrap themselves in that 9-11 identity


There is an upcoming example of this available if you look at the way Pam Geller is planning to exploit the occasion.

951 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:27:12pm

re: #933 Gus 802

Really? I've mentioned it before but I first heard about it one the radio. I didn't know what to make of it. I was thinking to myself "what the fuck is this?" I didn't know if it was NPR doing some kind of remake of War of the Worlds. Seriously, I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

We had these people who left the house in some bedroom community at five AM or some damn thing and showed up at the office after sleeping on BART.

952 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:28:07pm

re: #865 elbruce

Oh, me too. Ice-up-the-spine freakout time. For a week I hid under my bed whenever I heard a military plane fly over. And that's in Oregon, which I knew damn well had no chance of being a target.

Hey, remember being really really concerned about the people in New York? Yeah, now we don't care about their opinions, we just tell them what they can and can't do with their town. Remember all of the emergency workers who came from neighboring states and Canada to help out? Yep, now the GOP voted against giving them a little extra health care coverage to help with some of the health issues that 9/11 created. One day, Sarah Palin is excluding New York from her "Real America" map, the next day she's tweeting commands to her followers regarding the horrible tragedy that she cares about so much. One day Glenn Beck is sobbing about 9/11, the next day he's sick of hearing from all those "whining" 9/11 victims' families. Those whose concern for 9/11 is only activated when politically convenient, I have less than no use for.

As freaked out as all of the rest of us were, it's hubris to pretend that our trauma was in any way equal to the people who directly suffered from the devastation, or that it elevates our opinion to the degree that we can overrule theirs. We can get over it. But as long as we keep telling them what they can or can't do because they live on "hallowed ground," they won't be able to.

It's not "hallowed." It's not "sacred." It's just a place where a really bad thing happened one time. America is supposed to be able to bounce back and get on with getting on. It's kind of one of our selling points. So let's do that.

OK I get it now.
It is now politically incorrect to admit that one was traumatized by 9/11 because that somehow gives validity to the anti-mosquers' argument that 9/11 is hallowed ground.
So let me ask you: Would it be OK for me to have been traumatized if there was no mosque project near ground zero?
How sad.

953 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:28:31pm

re: #927 Gus 802

I had already known about the Taliban. Iraq never even occurred to me. Didn't really give much thought to strategy.

IRAQ WAS A TOTAL WASTE OF LIVES.

We were fooled so badly. Remember the mushroom cloud fear mongering?

954 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:28:52pm

re: #900 McSpiff


And I think you're downplaying the impact the attacks, and the media coverage had on people outside of NYC.


You think? Think again. Like many people I was greatly affected by 9/11. I had a family member who barely escaped the second tower with her life. She has been unable to return to work since. THAT is what you call traumatised.

No-one is trying to minimise the feelings that people who lived outside NY had, but it's a simple fact that there is an enormous difference between the trauma of 9/11 for those who were there, and for those who like myself were not, no matter how hard you may try to convince yourself otherwise.

Hostile dinging? honestly?

You introduced the claim of hostility. I don't necessarily see a downding as hostility, but it's the nearest thing to it in this discussion so far, and it came from you.

955 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:28:53pm

re: #949 Decatur Deb

They're there so we can use the slogan "Remember the 2nd ID" during the nest war.

Doesn't work anymore. Most of the division is outside South Korea now.

956 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:29:19pm

re: #943 Dark_Falcon

Congratulations. You officially sound like a Stalker. Please just leave Iceweasel alone.

Dark while I appreciate your sentiments... I have to be honest with you...

Your phrasing of "leave X alone" makes me think of this but that's probably just because its late at night, my meds are wearing off and I'm feeling imature...

957 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:29:27pm

re: #909 Floral Giraffe

I'd like to encourage certain readers, to post more.
You know who you are...
And, yes you have a LOT to contribute..
IF you dare!

Sorry, can't do it. It makes my head hurt and my fingers bleed.

958 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:29:41pm

re: #944 SteveC

Umm... ma'm? Do you mind if we do this interview inside? Somewhere that is not close to the unexploded missile?

It's a fabulous episode. The people from the apartment building are standing around poking the SCUD and discussing it, while a kid from the army tries to make them back away. He says it could still explode, which is when the Russian neighbor kicks it and says it won't explode, it's Soviet-made, it's a piece of shit.

959 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:29:45pm

re: #943 Dark_Falcon

Congratulations. You officially sound like a Stalker. Please just leave Iceweasel alone.

Sounds more like a troll hoping to soon be a stalker. He's got to show his misogynistic side if he wants to be part of that "hate group".

960 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:30:10pm

re: #955 Dark_Falcon

Doesn't work anymore. Most of the division is outside South Korea now.

Yeah. It shocked me to see Indianhead patches on the last deployment out of Iraq.

961 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:30:11pm

re: #951 SanFranciscoZionist

We had these people who left the house in some bedroom community at five AM or some damn thing and showed up at the office after sleeping on BART.

I was a little hungover. Didn't watch the TV that morning got in the car and turned on the radio. When it finally sunk in I was yelling like a maniac in the car. It's embarrassing for me to say this but I immediately thought about internment camps. That lasted about a day and I finally calmed down because I was working alongside somebody from Indonesia who was Muslim.

962 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:30:35pm

re: #877 Jimmah

We all had a strong reaction to 9/11. However, it's silly to try to suggest that the feelings of people like myself and others who were not there cannot equal that of those who lived and worked in the vicinity.

It's not silly to suggest that those feelings are less well founded.

Hey, how do you feel about those floods in Pakistan?

963 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:31:05pm

re: #919 McSpiff

My city's airport took 47 beating out Gander for the largest number of diverted flights. There were many billeted families in my neighborhood. Whole thing was surreal. We're a small airport too, same idea. Used a runway as a parking lot.

Here's an image: Image: halifaxplanes.jpg

You Easterners did a hell of a job. All of Canada was proud of you, even Albertans.

964 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:31:06pm

re: #953 Stanley Sea

It was not a "waste". We got rid of a horrible tyrant and wasted thousands upon thousands of Islamists. That's worth a good bit.

965 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:31:12pm

re: #957 b_sharp

Sorry, can't do it. It makes my head hurt and my fingers bleed.

So does improper vegetable slicing mandolin usage.

966 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:31:23pm

re: #890 Nimed

Exactly. To compound on the bullshit, some of the "traumatized" people are often completely dismissive about the deaths of Iraqi civilians. Not many wingnuts out there writing about the 100,000 violent deaths in a country with 30 million people, or the fact that almost half the Iraqi children are now orphans. The topic of choice when it comes to Iraq? WE WON and IT WAS ALL TOTALLY WORTH IT.

So typical American to forget the many many many many people we killed in our quest.

Difference between Democrats and Republicans. Debate me on this. please, but it's what I see.

967 Nimed  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:31:40pm

re: #898 theheat

Half the Iraqi children are orphans? If there are, just for kicks, 2 million people in Iraq, wouldn't that mean at least a million parents were killed? The math on that 50% orphan thing smells funny.

[Link: www.alternet.org...]

The 100,000 figure is a low ball on civilian, confirmed, violent deaths. An increase in non-violent deaths, e.g., as a result of damaged health care facilities or other forms of hardship are not taken into account in this figure. A child can also be orphaned due to "mere" separation from their guardians -- see here for a 2007 estimate.

The United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) reported last week that 4.2 million Iraqis have been forced out of their homes.
(...)
The situation in Iraq continues to worsen," the UNHCR announced, "with more than two million Iraqis now believed to be displaced inside the country and another 2.2 million sheltering in neighbouring states."

968 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:32:31pm

re: #921 Spare O'Lake

That is a new low even for you, and I see that you have snapped again.
You are obviously crazed by your partisanship and hatred.
You ascribe evil and partisan motives to those who say they were traumatized by the horrors they witnessed live on TV...how ugly and sad.
I pity you.

Spare, its time to think before you type.

969 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:32:31pm

I was working in sales at a lumber yard on 9/11. A few days later some moonbat douchebag came in looking for something. He was wearing a button with some letters on it. I asked him what it meant and he told me the the president ordered the attacks. That was the first time I met a truther.

970 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:32:45pm

re: #952 Spare O'Lake

OK I get it now.
It is now politically incorrect to admit that one was traumatized by 9/11 because that somehow gives validity to the anti-mosquers' argument that 9/11 is hallowed ground.
So let me ask you: Would it be OK for me to have been traumatized if there was no mosque project near ground zero?
How sad.

But the two thing don't go together. Of course the WTC is a sacred site, but there's a mosque currently 4 blocks away from the place and Rauf's mosque was initially 12 blocks away. It just doesn't make sense to not want this mosque there when there are mosques already there.

I mean other than the whole Constitution thing.

971 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:32:53pm

re: #952 Spare O'Lake

OK I get it now.
It is now politically incorrect to admit that one was traumatized by 9/11 because that somehow gives validity to the anti-mosquers' argument that 9/11 is hallowed ground.
So let me ask you: Would it be OK for me to have been traumatized if there was no mosque project near ground zero?
How sad.

What? I admitted I was traumatized. It's still invalid to use that trauma nine years later to jump into Manhattan's business. You can have been as traumatized as you want either way. Just don't use that as an excuse for religious bigotry.

972 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:32:54pm

re: #965 Mr Pancakes

So does improper vegetable slicing mandolin usage.

Upding for the usage and knowledge of mandolin.

973 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:32:56pm

re: #959 Reginald Perrin

Sounds more like a troll hoping to soon be a stalker. He's got to show his misogynistic side if he wants to be part of that "hate group".

Maybe he can screencapture his last comments here and email them to the stalkers like Bagua did!

Here's a hint, stalkers: remember to log out of your account before you do that. Bagua forgot to. Whoooops.

974 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:33:06pm

re: #964 Dark_Falcon

It was not a "waste". We got rid of a horrible tyrant and wasted thousands upon thousands of Islamists. That's worth a good bit.

Dark you might want to clarify something beyond simply "Islamists" as you've got it phrased now... well... [Link: tvtropes.org...] And I am deadly serious this time...

975 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:33:19pm

re: #943 Dark_Falcon

Congratulations. You officially sound like a Stalker. Please just leave Iceweasel alone.

This is the same worthless piece of crap who called SFZ that horrible name and refused to apologize.

976 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:33:31pm

re: #970 marjoriemoon

mm-- sent you an email btw. needed your assistance on something!

977 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:33:47pm

re: #954 Jimmah

Sure, in the same way that those present at Pearl Harbor were more traumatized than the rest of the nation. But any event that can literally change the consciousness of an entire nation is traumatizing beyond a local epicenter. You can argue there are varying degrees, radiating outwards if you'd like, but the range they encompass is nowhere near as great as your implying.

978 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:34:29pm

re: #964 Dark_Falcon

It was not a "waste". We got rid of a horrible tyrant and wasted thousands upon thousands of Islamists. That's worth a good bit.

If Bush had gone to the U.N, our allies, Congress and the American people and said that he wanted to "get rid of a horrible tyrant" he would have been laughed off the podium. There are dozens of horrible tyrants in the world. Always have been. That's never been a good enough reason for us to start a war.

If that was his reason, why didn't he say so from the beginning? Instead he lied.

979 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:34:45pm

Too late here to continue. Our Ft. Rucker office was on a routine call to the Pentagon when it was hit. They were traumatized, we were just angry and knew that we would be very, very busy.

980 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:34:50pm

I really wanted to argue with the schmuck who defended whites saying the N word but eh, you can't have everything!

Ya'll sleep well. G'night.

Oh, HIPPIE BIRDIE TO EWE, CCA!

981 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:35:11pm

re: #976 iceweasel

mm-- sent you an email btw. needed your assistance on something!

Will check it now!

Niters all!

982 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:35:15pm

re: #960 Decatur Deb

Yeah. It shocked me to see Indianhead patches on the last deployment out of Iraq.

We had to find the brigades we needed. And frankly, South Korea doesn't need as much help as it used to. They've gotten much better while North Korea's army has gotten much worse. South Korea's K1A1 has features found on the M1A1 and the same gun as the Abrams. The Norks latest tank is a somewhat modernized T-62 that the K1A1 will destroy in battalion lots.

983 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:35:16pm

Congenital Heart Surgery in Iraq

At the head of the group was Dr. William M. Novick... Coming from him, the future of Iraq's young hearts seems particularly desperate. "This is a hideous problem," he explained. "I've covered every possible place for heart surgery in this country. All six of them put together are not operating on 400 kids a year. This country has a population of 30 million. With a birth rate of 35 per thousand, they are generating in excess, by conservative estimates, 6,000 new children a year that need surgery."

The incidence of Congenital Heart Defects in the US is 8 per 1000. If he's right (and his guess would be better than mine) Iraq's kids are in deep shit.

984 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:35:33pm

re: #980 marjoriemoon

I really wanted to argue with the schmuck who defended whites saying the N word but eh, you can't have everything!

Ya'll sleep well. G'night.

Oh, HIPPIE BIRDIE TO EWE, CCA!

Hippie Birdie?

985 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:35:51pm

Well, it's hella late here where we are, so it's goodnight from ice and me (I think ice might be finishing off another post as I type though). Have a good one, folks.

Youtube Video
986 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:36:30pm

9/11 was an attack on NY specifically, but it was also an attack on the entire USA. True, I can't possibly feel as traumatized by it as those who were there or lost loved ones, but I do think it was a life-changing moment.

987 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:36:30pm

re: #976 iceweasel

mm-- sent you an email btw. needed your assistance on something!

You never mail, or respond. I'm just dirt!
LOL!
*smooch
Miss you my dear!
Jimmah in the kilt well, you do it better!
*waves*

988 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:36:38pm

re: #964 Dark_Falcon

It was not a "waste". We got rid of a horrible tyrant and wasted thousands upon thousands of Islamists. That's worth a good bit.

3 dudes we propped up in the past does not equal 4000K American volunteer young soldiers.

I will never ever ever see the value. And I will debate it to the end. More info will support me, I have no doubt.

And again, never mentioning all the Iraqi's killed. What? There were other people involved besides Saddam Hussein and his 2 sons? Really?????

Oh and the fucking museum. (my pet disgust - Bremer - Fail)

989 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:37:36pm

re: #978 elbruce

If Bush had gone to the U.N, our allies, Congress and the American people and said that he wanted to "get rid of a horrible tyrant" he would have been laughed off the podium. There are dozens of horrible tyrants in the world. Always have been. That's never been a good enough reason for us to start a war.

If that was his reason, why didn't he say so from the beginning? Instead he lied.

He didn't lie. Everyone thought Saddam had WMDs, because Saddam wanted us to think he did. It was not a lie.

990 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:37:44pm

re: #969 NJDhockeyfan

I was working in sales at a lumber yard on 9/11. A few days later some moonbat douchebag came in looking for something. He was wearing a button with some letters on it. I asked him what it meant and he told me the the president ordered the attacks. That was the first time I met a truther.

Wow, they work fast. I hadn't heard the "truther" moonbat crap until some years later. You know, after they did all of the stop-motion analysis on the video and such.

991 jayzee  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:37:45pm

re: #951 SanFranciscoZionist

We had these people who left the house in some bedroom community at five AM or some damn thing and showed up at the office after sleeping on BART.

I was getting a ticket outside the Holland tunnel (for being in the HOV 3 lane)-it was a huge ticket day and while waiting our turn, the cops had their radios stark squawking. They let us through saying a small plane hit the WTC. I said it was an attack and they laughed. I may have been one of the last cars through from NJ. When I got into NY, you could see the first tower burning. We drove closer to it, parking on the W Side Hwy, right around BMCC. The fire engines were just showing up, so we moved north a bit. Then the second plane hit. I thought it was military, couldn't believe the airspace was still open. It came from right by the Statue of Liberty, and as it got closer, I thought for sure it was there to dump water. Anyway, that was how I heard of it.

992 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:37:48pm

re: #984 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hippie Birdie?

Happy Birthday!

Youtube Video

Later folks!

993 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:37:54pm

re: #987 Floral Giraffe

You never mail, or respond. I'm just dirt!

I don't know where to send it! :)

994 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:37:59pm

I felt guilty on 9/11.
I was at the Doctor being told I did not have breast cancer after watching the towers fall....so yeah, good day for me.
I cried for days afterward.

995 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:38:23pm

re: #987 Floral Giraffe

You never mail, or respond. I'm just dirt!
LOL!
*smooch
Miss you my dear!
Jimmah in the kilt well, you do it better!
*waves*

i WILL! Was just saying to jimmah that i need to email you!!

xoxox

996 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:38:41pm

re: #989 Dark_Falcon

He didn't lie. Everyone thought Saddam had WMDs, because Saddam wanted us to think he did. It was not a lie.

George: Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

Sorry to keep picking on you Dark.

997 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:39:10pm

re: #921 Spare O'Lake

That is a new low even for you, and I see that you have snapped again.
You are obviously crazed by your partisanship and hatred.
You ascribe evil and partisan motives to those who say they were traumatized by the horrors they witnessed live on TV...how ugly and sad.
I pity you.

You Spare, are the blind one.

998 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:39:21pm

re: #952 Spare O'Lake

OK I get it now.
It is now politically incorrect to admit that one was traumatized by 9/11 because that somehow gives validity to the anti-mosquers' argument that 9/11 is hallowed ground.
So let me ask you: Would it be OK for me to have been traumatized if there was no mosque project near ground zero?
How sad.

This whole discussion happened because you and Matrix are not willing to let other people define their own emotional response to 9/11 without condemning their feelings as inappropriate.

I am willing to let you define what you experienced as traumatizing. It's not a word I will claim for myself.

That said, I am contemptuous of people who invoke the emotional associations of 9/11 as though they were supposed to override all other practical, social, or political considerations, or who use them for political leverage. Palin is very much in this category.

The Mahattan Project is very small potatoes in this, I had the BUT 9/11! conversation too many times in regards to the United States invading Iraq.

Now, why does it upset you so much to hear people define their experience differently from you?

999 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:39:30pm

re: #943 Dark_Falcon

Congratulations. You officially sound like a Stalker. Please just leave Iceweasel alone.

What the fuck are you talking about, DF? I don't know about stalkers and I don't read their shit. But what I do know is that I got viciously attacked. And when that happens, I try to defend myself.

1000 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:40:06pm

re: #990 elbruce

Wow, they work fast. I hadn't heard the "truther" moonbat crap until some years later. You know, after they did all of the stop-motion analysis on the video and such.

I came so close to jumping over the desk and punching that guy in the face. I just walked away. I couldn't believe it.

1001 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:40:39pm

re: #998 SanFranciscoZionist

That said, I am contemptuous of people who invoke the emotional associations of 9/11 as though they were supposed to override all other practical, social, or political considerations, or who use them for political leverage. Palin is very much in this category.

This.

1002 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:40:51pm

re: #995 iceweasel

re: #995 iceweasel

Meh, spend your time & energy on that cutie patootie!
Give him something to remember!
I can wait!

1003 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:41:05pm

re: #946 iceweasel

Oh more updings. And you were missed.

1004 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:41:50pm

re: #988 Stanley Sea

3 dudes we propped up in the past does not equal 4000K American volunteer young soldiers.

I will never ever ever see the value. And I will debate it to the end. More info will support me, I have no doubt.

And again, never mentioning all the Iraqi's killed. What? There were other people involved besides Saddam Hussein and his 2 sons? Really???

Oh and the fucking museum. (my pet disgust - Bremer - Fail)

The one thing I never understood was the callousness many people displayed regarding the civilian casualties in Iraq. They were merely seen as "collateral damage" and made to seem as if though they were less than human by that very language. I always felt that if one were to support the Iraq war that they at least show some remorse and or sorrow for the 10s of thousands of civilians that died during the opening weeks of the invasion. And that if they at least supported the invasion they should at least admit that those civilian casualties is not something to be proud of.

1005 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:41:59pm

re: #996 jamesfirecat

George: Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

Sorry to keep picking on you Dark.

That's actually true. A lie is a deliberate untruth. George W. Bush told what he honestly thought was the truth. Thus he was wrong, but not a liar.

1006 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:43:09pm

re: #1005 Dark_Falcon

That's actually true. A lie is a deliberate untruth. George W. Bush told what he honestly thought was the truth. Thus he was wrong, but not a liar.

I know, I just find it amusing the truth of pithy sit com quotes.

Personally I wish that Glenn Beck would take George's advice and try to just do THE OPPOSITE of whatever his natural inclination is these days...

1007 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:43:33pm

re: #921 Spare O'Lake

You ascribe evil and partisan motives to those who say they were traumatized by the horrors they witnessed live on TV...how ugly and sad.

Only when you use that trauma later on to deny others of their rights.

1008 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:43:37pm

re: #961 Gus 802

I was a little hungover. Didn't watch the TV that morning got in the car and turned on the radio. When it finally sunk in I was yelling like a maniac in the car. It's embarrassing for me to say this but I immediately thought about internment camps. That lasted about a day and I finally calmed down because I was working alongside somebody from Indonesia who was Muslim.

One of the ladies who worked in my office asked why anyone would do such a thing, and one of the brokers said it was because of their religion. The office manager, an evangelical Christian and Navy reserves man who had served in the First Gulf War leaped in and delivered a brief history of Islam, emphasizing that terrorism was a WARPING of Islam, which, in its best and truest form would not sanction such an action.

I think we were all a little keyed up.

1009 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:44:34pm

re: #952 Spare O'Lake

OK I get it now.
It is now politically incorrect to admit that one was traumatized by 9/11 because that somehow gives validity to the anti-mosquers' argument that 9/11 is hallowed ground.
So let me ask you: Would it be OK for me to have been traumatized if there was no mosque project near ground zero?
How sad.

You know, if you follow my posting history here you'll find I tend to call people on their stupid arguments. If someone has a good, well thought out argument, I'll argue with him/her if I disagree with their stance but I won't (usually) get nasty. However, if your logic sucks, or your conclusions just don't follow or you get nasty for no reason, I will comment in kind.

Right now, you have to be the most illogical, annoying, frustrating poster here. Your arguments suck. Big time. But they don't have to.

Stop and think. Dump the emotion, and think. Then post.

1010 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:44:44pm

re: #971 elbruce

What? I admitted I was traumatized. It's still invalid to use that trauma nine years later to jump into Manhattan's business. You can have been as traumatized as you want either way. Just don't use that as an excuse for religious bigotry.

I never have and I never will. And anyone who accuses me of that is a damn liar.

1011 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:45:00pm

re: #1003 Stanley Sea

Oh more updings. And you were missed.

missed you LOADS! tons of news, must catch up! Will email tomorrow too. Bye folks--

oh and by the way, the notion that Spare is the person who was 'attacked' in this thread is bullcrap. But we already know that.

See ya!

1012 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:45:27pm

re: #975 Reginald Perrin

This is the same worthless piece of crap who called SFZ that horrible name and refused to apologize.

It got deleted before I could even view it!

(Probably just as well.)

1013 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:45:31pm

re: #970 marjoriemoon

But the two thing don't go together. Of course the WTC is a sacred site, but there's a mosque currently 4 blocks away from the place and Rauf's mosque was initially 12 blocks away. It just doesn't make sense to not want this mosque there when there are mosques already there.

I mean other than the whole Constitution thing.

Oh my god, I missed this. thanks Marjorie.

TO SPARE:

THE MOSQUE! SHARIA GIRL IS GONNA GET CHA!

booga booga

fuck

1014 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:45:43pm

re: #999 Spare O'Lake

What the fuck are you talking about, DF? I don't know about stalkers and I don't read their shit. But what I do know is that I got viciously attacked. And when that happens, I try to defend myself.

Ice didn't "viciously attack" you. She did go after what you posted, but she was within bounds.

1015 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:46:44pm

re: #986 Mich-again

9/11 was an attack on NY specifically, but it was also an attack on the entire USA. True, I can't possibly feel as traumatized by it as those who were there or lost loved ones, but I do think it was a life-changing moment.

It had a big impact on the country. That much, I think is indisputable.

1016 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:47:02pm

I'm staying out of the Ice-Spare conflict....... this must have been brewing for awhile.

1017 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:47:08pm

re: #965 Mr Pancakes

So does improper vegetable slicing mandolin usage.

Those damn high E strings.

1018 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:47:33pm

re: #996 jamesfirecat

George: Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

Sorry to keep picking on you Dark.

I have a better quote.

Iraqi General Georges Sada:

..."There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands," Mr. Sada said. "I am confident they were taken over."

Mr. Sada's comments come just more than a month after Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam "transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria."

1019 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:48:07pm

re: #1005 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. Bush deliberately mislead the country about the WMD issue, covered up evidence against it, and planted or manufactured evidence to support his position. That's not an innocent "opps" that's a deliberate LIE. And going to war based on that lie is nothing short of treason. In all fairness, Bush may not be the only president to have done so, long ago, it seems that W R Hurst pretty much got us into the Spanish American war in a similar way. But there were far fewer American soldiers involved.

1020 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:48:16pm

re: #1016 Mr Pancakes

I'm staying out of the Ice-Spare conflict... this must have been brewing for awhile.

Me and you are gonna have a conflict if you don't introduce me to you wife's cute sister.
///

1021 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:48:28pm

re: #1005 Dark_Falcon

That's actually true. A lie is a deliberate untruth. George W. Bush told what he honestly thought was the truth. Thus he was wrong, but not a liar.

Also Dark I really going to have to ask you to insist you clarify your post 964 or else I'm going to down ding it.... because I really don't think that you meant to say that "wasting" (which read to me as "killing") thousands upon thousands of "Islamists" (or any person who practices Islam...) is a good thing....

That wasn't what you meant.... right?

1022 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:48:53pm

re: #1008 SanFranciscoZionist

One of the ladies who worked in my office asked why anyone would do such a thing, and one of the brokers said it was because of their religion. The office manager, an evangelical Christian and Navy reserves man who had served in the First Gulf War leaped in and delivered a brief history of Islam, emphasizing that terrorism was a WARPING of Islam, which, in its best and truest form would not sanction such an action.

I think we were all a little keyed up.

Good for him. Terrorism will co-opt ideologies, religions, etc. I'm a firm believer that the primary motivating force behind the Jihadists is political and in many ways psychological based. The root of the psychology can be found with Osama Bin Laden and his own political quest for power which feeds his ego.

1023 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:49:23pm

Murkowski concedes

Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski has conceded defeat to upstart Tea Party favorite Joe Miller after a day of counting ballots in their razor-thin Republican primary, the Associated Press reports.

1024 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:49:44pm

re: #1004 Gus 802

The one thing I never understood was the callousness many people displayed regarding the civilian casualties in Iraq. They were merely seen as "collateral damage" and made to seem as if though they were less than human by that very language. I always felt that if one were to support the Iraq war that they at least show some remorse and or sorrow for the 10s of thousands of civilians that died during the opening weeks of the invasion. And that if they at least supported the invasion they should at least admit that those civilian casualties is not something to be proud of.

I've always been disturbed by the bickering over the figures.

1025 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:49:49pm

re: #907 researchok

I still have a hard time watching the video of the planes flying into the buildings.

I remember the news started to come out about the first plane ramming the WTC right before I was leaving work that morning...we were listening to Bob & Tom, listening to them give the breaking news, saying to ourselves, "WTF is going on?" I stayed over a while listening to the initial newscasts and finally went home shortly before the South Tower was hit.

I can honestly say that I didn't remember the 10 minute drive home, I was so numb. After I got to the house, I turned on every TV to CNN and got on the computer, looking for as much info as I could find. When civilian airspace was locked down, it was eerily quiet and weird not seeing contrails in the sky, as my house is near an approach/departure corridor for Nashville International.

Hell, right now, just reading the timeline of events on Wiki brings back a lot of memories...it makes me feel ill.

1026 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:49:50pm

re: #1020 Cannadian Club Akbar

Me and you are gonna have a conflict if you don't introduce me to you wife's cute sister.
///

You'll have to meet her in Mexico.......

1027 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:50:10pm

Alright, I'm off to bed.

This whole "is Spare gonna head to the stalkers? he is preparing quotes now?" is a little bit too much 'Reds Under the Bed!' for my liking. Someone can disagree, even dislike you personally without being in league with your enemies. So unless people can produce evidence of Spare's upcoming defection... maybe take it down a notch?

1028 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:50:25pm

re: #983 SteveC

Congenital Heart Surgery in Iraq

The incidence of Congenital Heart Defects in the US is 8 per 1000. If he's right (and his guess would be better than mine) Iraq's kids are in deep shit.

Oh man. I'm ready to help from afar.

1029 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:50:32pm

re: #986 Mich-again

9/11 was an attack on NY specifically, but it was also an attack on the entire USA. True, I can't possibly feel as traumatized by it as those who were there or lost loved ones, but I do think it was a life-changing moment.

It was an attack on Western culture and belief systems. All of us.
The US, especially NYC, is the epitome of that culture.

1030 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:51:21pm

re: #1019 daddylawbucks

Horseshit.

1031 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:51:23pm

re: #1005 Dark_Falcon

That's actually true. A lie is a deliberate untruth. George W. Bush told what he honestly thought was the truth. Thus he was wrong, but not a liar.

First of all, you can't know that. Neither can I for that matter. However, I do know that he was responsible for knowing what he was talking about. We put him into the hardest job on Earth. He applied for it.

If Bush honestly believed that Saddam had WMD's, then somebody in the CIA lied for him. Why are there no calls from the right for the head of whoever made the horrific blunder that led a President into the stupidest decision since Watergate? Given their usual bloodthirst to go after anyone who makes Bush look bad, why haven't we heard about that? Why hasn't one right-wing blog tried to "out" the CIA officer who fucked up so horribly?

Instead, in 2004 this happened:

Image: tenet51858807.jpg

Look at that. That's the guy who committed the biggest blunder of any modern Presidency, putting the Presidential Medal of Freedom around the neck of the guy who he says gave him the bad intelligence that made him do it.

Why?

1032 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:52:03pm

re: #1016 Mr Pancakes

I'm staying out of the Ice-Spare conflict... this must have been brewing for awhile.

Ecsuse me, but can we stop the meme that there is an ice-Spare conflict, or an ice-anyone conflict? The conflict here, as a quick glance at the bottom ten every goddamn day will confirm, is between Spare and LGF.

1033 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:52:54pm

re: #1030 Dark_Falcon

Horseshit.

Heh have fun with the "Bush committed treason!11!1" buddy. I'm too tired that fight.

1034 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:53:36pm

re: #1032 Jimmah

Ecsuse me, but can we stop the meme that there is an ice-Spare conflict, or an ice-anyone conflict? The conflict here, as a quick glance at the bottom ten every goddamn day will confirm, is between Spare and LGF.

Whatever...... I don't have a beef with the guy. Do what you will.

1035 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:54:07pm

re: #1033 McSpiff

Heh have fun with the "Bush committed treason!11!1" buddy. I'm too tired that fight.

Uhh, that was meant for daddylawbucks, not DF, right?

1036 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:54:19pm

Downding on #1027 Jimmah? That's sad. You're getting a little paranoid.

1037 laZardo  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:54:33pm

As I might have stated before, there is no crying over spoiled (or non-existent) milk. The continuous debate about the reasons we entered Iraq will not change the fact that US troops are, in fact, still there.

The most we can do at this point in time is ensure we leave the place relatively intact and perhaps better than we entered it, with lessons thoroughly learned for the next time.

And that's all I got to say about that. :B

1038 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:54:53pm

re: #994 webevintage

Holy hell wvintage. (you)

1039 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:55:19pm

re: #1035 talon_262

Uhh, that was meant for daddylawbucks, not DF, right?

I know D_F will rip him to shreds. I wish him the best in that. I'd join in, but I really need the sleep.

1040 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:55:27pm

re: #1029 b_sharp

It was an attack on Western culture and belief systems. All of us.
The US, especially NYC, is the epitome of that culture.

I always wondered why Islamists had such a hard-on for the WTC in particular. I remember they tried to blow it up in the 90's too. I never found out what it was about those specific buildings that got them all riled up.

1041 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:55:43pm

As if the flooding wasn't bad enough...

Flood waters in Pakistan have dislodged and carried landmines to places previously deemed safe or demined, increasing risks to the population, the international Red Cross warned on Tuesday.

1042 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:55:47pm

re: #1019 daddylawbucks

I disagree. Bush deliberately mislead the country about the WMD issue, covered up evidence against it, and planted or manufactured evidence to support his position. That's not an innocent "opps" that's a deliberate LIE. And going to war based on that lie is nothing short of treason. In all fairness, Bush may not be the only president to have done so, long ago, it seems that W R Hurst pretty much got us into the Spanish American war in a similar way. But there were far fewer American soldiers involved.

What about all the Democrats who said Saddam was making WMDs? Did George Bush force them to say those things?

1043 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:55:57pm

re: #1021 jamesfirecat

Also Dark I really going to have to ask you to insist you clarify your post 964 or else I'm going to down ding it... because I really don't think that you meant to say that "wasting" (which read to me as "killing") thousands upon thousands of "Islamists" (or any person who practices Islam...) is a good thing...

That wasn't what you meant... right?

"Islamists" refers to those who follow Al Qaeda's radical, terrorist, interpretation of Islam. It does not refer to any other Muslims. And yes, I do think that killing such people is a good thing. A reduction in their numbers is a prerequisite for peace.

1044 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:56:15pm

re: #1036 McSpiff

Downding on #1027 Jimmah? That's sad. You're getting a little paranoid.

I thought he down dinged you for going to bed.

1045 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:56:18pm

re: #1040 elbruce

I always wondered why Islamists had such a hard-on for the WTC in particular. I remember they tried to blow it up in the 90's too. I never found out what it was about those specific buildings that got them all riled up.

WTC showed economic domination.

1046 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:56:32pm

re: #1027 McSpiff

Alright, I'm off to bed.

This whole "is Spare gonna head to the stalkers? he is preparing quotes now?" is a little bit too much 'Reds Under the Bed!' for my liking. Someone can disagree, even dislike you personally without being in league with your enemies. So unless people can produce evidence of Spare's upcoming defection... maybe take it down a notch?

"Acting like" isn't equivalent to "joining".

1047 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:57:07pm

re: #1012 SanFranciscoZionist

It got deleted before I could even view it!

(Probably just as well.)


Yes

I am disappointed to see my fellow Canadian refused to act like an adult and apologize for his grotesque, childish name calling.

1048 jayzee  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:57:13pm

re: #1018 NJDhockeyfan

I have a better quote.

Iraqi General Georges Sada:

People say this is unlikely because the Syrians and Iraqis were not allies. Yet, in the first Gulf War they flew their fighters to Iran.


During the Persian Gulf War, most Iraqi pilots and aircraft (of French & Soviet origin) fled to Iran to escape the bombing campaign because no other country would allow them sanctuary. The Iranians impounded these aircraft after the war and never returned them, putting them in the service of the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force[14] -- claiming them as reparations for the Iran–Iraq War. Because of this Saddam Hussein did not send the rest of his Air Force to Iran just prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003, instead opting to their burial in sand. Saddam Hussein, preoccupied with Iran and regional power balance, is reported to have had commented: "The Iranians are even stronger than before, they now have our Air Force."[15]

These included: Mirage F1s, Su-20 and Su-22M2/3/4 Fitters, Su-24MK Fencer-Ds, Su-25K/UBK Frogfoots, MiG-23 Floggers, MiG-29A/UB Fulcrums and a number of Il-76s, including the one-off AEW-AWACS prototype Il-76 "ADNAN 1". Also, prior to Operation Desert Storm, ten Iraqi MiG-23s were sent to Yugoslavia for servicing, but were never returned due to the Yugoslav War.

1049 laZardo  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:57:22pm

re: #1042 NJDhockeyfan

What about all the Democrats who said Saddam was making WMDs? Did George Bush force them to say those things?

Not so much Bush as society in general. 2002-3 was still the height of the post-9/11 patriotic jingoism bolstered by the ousting of the Taliban from Afghanistan's government. Democrats, being politicans like everyone else in Congress, did not want to look "unpatriotic" by disagreeing.

1050 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:57:47pm

re: #998 SanFranciscoZionist

This whole discussion happened because you and Matrix are not willing to let other people define their own emotional response to 9/11 without condemning their feelings as inappropriate.

I am willing to let you define what you experienced as traumatizing. It's not a word I will claim for myself.

That said, I am contemptuous of people who invoke the emotional associations of 9/11 as though they were supposed to override all other practical, social, or political considerations, or who use them for political leverage. Palin is very much in this category.

The Mahattan Project is very small potatoes in this, I had the BUT 9/11! conversation too many times in regards to the United States invading Iraq.

Now, why does it upset you so much to hear people define their experience differently from you?

Sometimes, the benefit of being behind in reading posts is that you get to repost something that should be read a second time.

1051 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:58:57pm

re: #1046 b_sharp

"Acting like" isn't equivalent to "joining".


Agreed, but ice didn't say act like.

re: #973 iceweasel

Maybe he can screencapture his last comments here and email them to the stalkers like Bagua did!

Here's a hint, stalkers: remember to log out of your account before you do that. Bagua forgot to. Whooops.

1052 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:59:08pm

BTW, if you live anywhere in the Central Arkansas area, be aware that my son now has a driver's license.
Be afraid...be very afraid...

(not really, he is a very safe driver or we would have not let him take the test.)

1053 SteveC  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:59:12pm

re: #1044 Mr Pancakes

I thought he down dinged you for going to bed.

I'm going to bed without the company of a beautiful young lady, so I'll downding myself.

1054 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:59:20pm

re: #1043 Dark_Falcon

"Islamists" refers to those who follow Al Qaeda's radical, terrorist, interpretation of Islam. It does not refer to any other Muslims. And yes, I do think that killing such people is a good thing. A reduction in their numbers is a prerequisite for peace.

Thank you, that is a clarification I can live with.

Sorry it's just there are a number of meanings to "Islamist" from


islamism - a fundamentalist Islamic revivalist movement generally characterized by moral conservatism and the literal interpretation of the Koran and the attempt to implement Islamic values in all aspects of life

To

islamist - a scholar who knowledgeable in Islamic studies

So yeah I just wanted to be sure you mean "Islamic Terrorists" which is what I thought you did, so objection withdrawn.

1055 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:59:29pm

Good night, all.
This has been a hard day for me.
Unless you the other side of the spoon....
I need some rest.
May you find the dream of your dreams tonight.
And all of your wishes come true,

1056 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:59:50pm

re: #1049 laZardo

Not so much Bush as society in general. 2002-3 was still the height of the post-9/11 patriotic jingoism bolstered by the ousting of the Taliban from Afghanistan's government. Democrats, being politicans like everyone else in Congress, did not want to look "unpatriotic" by disagreeing.

They were saying that stuff before George Bush became president.

1057 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:00:20pm

re: #1045 Cannadian Club Akbar

WTC showed economic domination.

Exactly...their hope was that they could re: #1053 SteveC

I'm going to bed without the company of a beautiful young lady, so I'll downding myself.

If you're going to bed without the company of a lady, your dinger is most likely already down...

///

1058 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:00:30pm

re: #1052 webevintage

BTW, if you live anywhere in the Central Arkansas area, be aware that my son now has a driver's license.
Be afraid...be very afraid...

(not really, he is a very safe driver or we would have not let him take the test.)

So, stay off the sidewalks. Oh, wait, you said son. Not like it's a girl driving.
/ducks

1059 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:00:33pm

re: #1053 SteveC

Sleep tight!

1060 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:00:44pm

re: #1053 SteveC

I'm going to bed without the company of a beautiful young lady, so I'll downding myself.

No problem man....... and going to bed with a beautiful young lady is overrated....... honest.

1061 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:00:54pm

I just got home from the work and the gym... saw a reply of the speech at the gym... nice speech... he's been paying attention.

1062 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:01:34pm

re: #1027 McSpiff

Alright, I'm off to bed.

This whole "is Spare gonna head to the stalkers? he is preparing quotes now?" is a little bit too much 'Reds Under the Bed!' for my liking. Someone can disagree, even dislike you personally without being in league with your enemies. So unless people can produce evidence of Spare's upcoming defection... maybe take it down a notch?

oh PLEASE. Did you read the comment of his I was responding to, for fucks sake? Did you read anything at all in this thread before joining in to downding me and then accuse me of being 'hostile'? Then you get pissy over being downdinged by Jimmah?
Concern troll is so very concerned, yes. Just knock it off.

1063 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:01:44pm

re: #1030 Dark_Falcon

Really? So what was the whole bust-up with Valerie Plume and her hubby? I promise it wasn't her sex tape. Bush deliberately use the propaganda apparatus of the government to whip up public support for a war based on false information relating to WMD issues. There is no denying that Sadam was a world class turd, a sadist and sponsor of suicide bombers in Israel, and all that after we were nice enough to put him in power. He deserved a bullet in his skull. But there was nothing but manufactured evidence about the WMD, and Bush/Chaney played that to make Halliburton rich. [I may spell it wrong, but I have used one of their briefcases for decades.] The point is that the war in Iraq was a horrible error on our part, with far reaching consequences for that whole region. We made Iran the regional super-power. Great. And it was all based on false information from our own government.

1064 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:02:00pm

re: #1027 McSpiff

Alright, I'm off to bed.

This whole "is Spare gonna head to the stalkers? he is preparing quotes now?" is a little bit too much 'Reds Under the Bed!' for my liking. Someone can disagree, even dislike you personally without being in league with your enemies. So unless people can produce evidence of Spare's upcoming defection... maybe take it down a notch?

Look, if someone is posting like a stalker, they deserve to be called on it. And Spare posts resemble that 'style' all too often these days. It's up to him to 'take things down a notch' if it's strife you are worried about. He is the one who is being an asshole on a daily basis.

Take a look at the bottom ten here every day. Is this a problem with LGF, or Spare?

1065 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:03:03pm

re: #1004 Gus 802

The one thing I never understood was the callousness many people displayed regarding the civilian casualties in Iraq. They were merely seen as "collateral damage" and made to seem as if though they were less than human by that very language. I always felt that if one were to support the Iraq war that they at least show some remorse and or sorrow for the 10s of thousands of civilians that died during the opening weeks of the invasion. And that if they at least supported the invasion they should at least admit that those civilian casualties is not something to be proud of.

THIS THIS. And this HELPS us in Iraq? You all know they don't have a legitimate "president/leader" yet right?

fuck up. extroidinairre. No matter how anyone tries to classically paint it.

1066 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:03:26pm

Well, it is after midnight and I made it through another birthday with very little fanfare. Suckers!!

1067 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:03:49pm

re: #1064 Jimmah

Look, if someone is posting like a stalker, they deserve to be called on it. And Spare posts resemble that 'style' all too often these days. It's up to him to 'take things down a notch' if it's strife you are worried about. He is the one who is being an asshole on a daily basis.

Take a look at the bottom ten here every day. Is this a problem with LGF, or Spare?

Uh, if anyone needs to take it down a notch, that ought to have been directed by McSpiff at Spare for his 946, not this fucking handwringing over it being pointed out that he sounds just like a fucking stalker.

Pathetic.

1068 laZardo  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:03:55pm

re: #1056 NJDhockeyfan

They were saying that stuff before George Bush became president.

Probably because a few were also hankering to finish what Sr. started during Jr.'s term.

1069 jaunte  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:04:02pm

re: #1066 Cannadian Club Akbar

Many surreptitious returns of the day.

1070 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:04:44pm

re: #1066 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, it is after midnight and I made it through another birthday with very little fanfare. Suckers!!

Happy belated birthday CCA!

1071 laZardo  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:05:18pm

re: #1068 laZardo

Probably because a few were also hankering to finish what Sr. started in 1991 during Jr.'s term.

i.e. while Jr. was in power.

1072 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:05:20pm

re: #1041 SteveC

As if the flooding wasn't bad enough...

This whole situation is just seriously, seriously bad. Pakistan is not a good place to have further destabilized, and the suffering from this is awful and going to get worse.

1073 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:05:27pm

re: #1066 Cannadian Club Akbar

Happy Birthday!

1074 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:05:29pm

re: #1005 Dark_Falcon

That's actually true. A lie is a deliberate untruth. George W. Bush told what he honestly thought was the truth. Thus he was wrong, but not a liar.

The truth will come out. Did he just blindly believe the "reports" he received? Shame on everyone.

1075 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:05:44pm

re: #1067 iceweasel

Uh, if anyone needs to take it down a notch, that ought to have been directed by McSpiff at Spare for his 946, not this fucking handwringing over it being pointed out that he sounds just like a fucking stalker.

Pathetic.

921 I mean. Feh. Oh noooes, iceweasel 'attacked' Spare! Waaaah!

1076 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:06:31pm

re: #1042 NJDhockeyfan

What about all the Democrats who said Saddam was making WMDs? Did George Bush force them to say those things?

Here's how it worked:

Bush to Congress: "Saddam is making WMD's! I know it, but the details are classified. Trust me!"
Congress: "OK."

Bush to the United Nations: "Saddam is making WMD's! I know it, but the details are classified. Trust me!"
The United Nations: "OK."

Bush to our allies: "Saddam is making WMD's! I know it, but the details are classified. Trust me!"
Our allies: "OK."

Bush to the American people: "Saddam is making WMD's! I know it, but the details are classified. Trust me!"
The American people: "OK."

When we point fingers at that guy for lying, you hardly get to point fingers at all the people he lied to as if that somehow makes it even.

But go ahead and gimme some quotes, if you want to push the meme that it was Congressional Democrats who were claiming special knowledge of a WMD program beyond "the Bush administration told me and I trust them."

Hell, even I believed him at the time. It was inconceivable to me that any President would lie about something like that. Nixon wouldn't have lied about something like that! So when he gave us that alarming information, I just assumed that he had secret spy photos of WMD sites that he couldn't make public or else Saddam would be able to use those images to figure out what spy must have taken those photos. Hell, that's what I told people must have been the case. Something like that.

Nope. It was all a bunch of lies.

But he was my President and no President of the United States would lie about something that important, so I believed him. Does that make it my fault too?

1077 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:06:47pm

re: #1040 elbruce

I always wondered why Islamists had such a hard-on for the WTC in particular. I remember they tried to blow it up in the 90's too. I never found out what it was about those specific buildings that got them all riled up.

The US is the largest, most powerful and influential country in the Western world. NYC is the financial capital, and the most influential city, in the US. The WTC had become the symbol of NYC.

They had no other choice. It was all about symbolism. Showing how easy it is to attack that symbol would paralyse the entire country.

1078 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:06:48pm

re: #1068 laZardo

Probably because a few were also hankering to finish what Sr. started during Jr.'s term.

Are you saying the Democrats were trying to finish what Bush 41 started?

1079 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:07:46pm

re: #1062 iceweasel

re: #1064 Jimmah

If someone is acting like an asshole, they deserve to be called on it. Stalker is a very specific insult, referring to a group of people who amongst other things make death threats about the posters here. If you think Spare deserves to be lumped into that, fair enough but personally I haven't seen anything to show that Spare is actively trying to harm this community or its members. You and Spare seem to both give equally. From where I'm standing he's just incredibly unpopular with some opinions even I consider bigoted. So let him sit in the bottom 10. Not sure why we need some sort of crusade against the guy.

Seriously, your melodrama is getting old.

1080 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:08:28pm

re: #1054 jamesfirecat

Thank you, that is a clarification I can live with.

Sorry it's just there are a number of meanings to "Islamist" from

islamism - a fundamentalist Islamic revivalist movement generally characterized by moral conservatism and the literal interpretation of the Koran and the attempt to implement Islamic values in all aspects of life

To

islamist - a scholar who knowledgeable in Islamic studies

So yeah I just wanted to be sure you mean "Islamic Terrorists" which is what I thought you did, so objection withdrawn.

Cool. If I talk about scholars on Islam I say "Islamic Scholars". "Islamist" to me has always referred to those who follow the terrorist interpretation of Islam.

1081 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:08:31pm

re: #1036 McSpiff

Downding on #1027 Jimmah? That's sad. You're getting a little paranoid.

Yes, downdinged for the 'Spare as victim' bullshit. Equates to 'paranoid' in your mind? Poor show altogether from you tonight.

1082 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:08:56pm

re: #1076 elbruce

OK, then explain these quotes made before George Bush was elected:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
President Clinton, Jan. 27, 1998.

"Fateful decisions will be made in the days and weeks ahead. At issue is nothing less than the fundamental question of whether or not we can keep the most lethal weapons known to mankind out of the hands of an unreconstructed tyrant and aggressor who is in the same league as the most brutal dictators of this century."
Sen. Joe Biden (D, DE), Feb. 12, 1998

"It is essential that a dictator like Saddam not be allowed to evade international strictures and wield frightening weapons of mass destruction. As long as UNSCOM is prevented from carrying out its mission, the effort to monitor Iraqi compliance with Resolution 687 becomes a dangerous shell game. Neither the United States nor the global community can afford to allow Saddam Hussein to continue on this path."
Sen. Tom Daschle (D, SD), Feb. 12, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeleine Albright, Feb. 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb. 18, 1998.

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

1083 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:09:47pm

re: #998 SanFranciscoZionist

This whole discussion happened because you and Matrix are not willing to let other people define their own emotional response to 9/11 without condemning their feelings as inappropriate.

I am willing to let you define what you experienced as traumatizing. It's not a word I will claim for myself.

That said, I am contemptuous of people who invoke the emotional associations of 9/11 as though they were supposed to override all other practical, social, or political considerations, or who use them for political leverage. Palin is very much in this category.

The Mahattan Project is very small potatoes in this, I had the BUT 9/11! conversation too many times in regards to the United States invading Iraq.

Now, why does it upset you so much to hear people define their experience differently from you?

You are dead wrong to accuse me of disallowing others from denying that they were traumatized. What I saw was Stanley Sea saying he was not traumatized, and I found that odd because I thought everyone was traumatized to one degree or another, so I asked him about it.

In your case your statement that you were not traumatized was not the problem - rather my problem was with your implication that folks who did so were somehow trying to horn in on the victims' trauma...as if there wasn't plenty of trauma to go around! So I called you on it, and you answered very well.

Now, tell me how you concluded that I was doing any of what you accused me of.
(Hint: Another poster first accused me of demanding to see Stanley's papers like a nazi, and then she went totally apeshit on me.)

1084 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:10:10pm

re: #1007 elbruce

Only when you use that trauma later on to deny others of their rights.

oooh. bingo

1085 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:10:57pm

re: #1083 Spare O'Lake

FYI, Stanley is a woman.

1086 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:11:05pm

re: #1079 McSpiff

re: #1064 Jimmah

If someone is acting like an asshole, they deserve to be called on it. Stalker is a very specific insult, referring to a group of people who amongst other things make death threats about the posters here. If you think Spare deserves to be lumped into that, fair enough but personally I haven't seen anything to show that Spare is actively trying to harm this community or its members. You and Spare seem to both give equally. From where I'm standing he's just incredibly unpopular with some opinions even I consider bigoted. So let him sit in the bottom 10. Not sure why we need some sort of crusade against the guy.

Seriously, your melodrama is getting old.

Well, I didn't say Spare was one of them, but his post sounded like something they'd post. That's all I meant.

1087 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:11:32pm

re: #1078 NJDhockeyfan

Are you saying the Democrats were trying to finish what Bush 41 started?

Are you saying that Democrats would never do anything for murky political reasons?

1088 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:11:44pm

re: #163 abolitionist

Yes that is what it means.

1089 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:12:05pm

re: #1074 Stanley Sea

The truth will come out. Did he just blindly believe the "reports" he received? Shame on everyone.

Again, here's Bush pinning the Presidential Medal of Freedom on the guy who gave him those false reports, after it was proven those reports were false:

Image: tenet2.jpg

1090 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:12:23pm

And in other news...

"That 10-point GOP lead is the widest in Gallup's polling history, and suggest serious Democratic losses in November. If the elections were today, we'd lose the House, with seats to spare. The Senate is seriously in play. There's no hyperbole here -- the Dems are headed toward crushing defeats this November."

1091 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:12:35pm

re: #986 Mich-again

9/11 was an attack on NY specifically, but it was also an attack on the entire USA. True, I can't possibly feel as traumatized by it as those who were there or lost loved ones, but I do think it was a life-changing moment.

WTC + Pentagon + whatever was the target of Flight 93. Yeah, that made it pretty much an attack on the entire USA.

I was home alone that morning, due to a dentist appointment later, so I was watching live TV reports beginning about 8:55 or so. I'd seen Behind the Veil the previous summer, a documentary about the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, and I'd already seen OBL's interview in which he essentially declared war on us back in 1998.

1092 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:13:05pm

I'm out.

I got fuck all for sleep last night. Time to catch up.

1093 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:13:15pm

re: #1087 SanFranciscoZionist

Are you saying that Democrats would never do anything for murky political reasons?

If that's true why is the left only blaming George Bush? It seems to me if you are correct the Democrats lied to GWB.

1094 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:13:31pm

re: #1083 Spare O'Lake

You are dead wrong to accuse me of disallowing others from denying that they were traumatized. What I saw was Stanley Sea saying he was not traumatized, and I found that odd because I thought everyone was traumatized to one degree or another, so I asked him about it.

In your case your statement that you were not traumatized was not the problem - rather my problem was with your implication that folks who did so were somehow trying to horn in on the victims' trauma...as if there wasn't plenty of trauma to go around! So I called you on it, and you answered very well.

Now, tell me how you concluded that I was doing any of what you accused me of.
(Hint: Another poster first accused me of demanding to see Stanley's papers like a nazi, and then she went totally apeshit on me.)

You're as innocent as a newborn babe. Your first response to me had not a hint of the leading question.

1095 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:13:53pm

re: #1091 abolitionist

Beneath the Veil. Saria Shah. Love her.

1096 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:13:55pm

re: #1090 Walter L. Newton

And in other news...

"That 10-point GOP lead is the widest in Gallup's polling history, and suggest serious Democratic losses in November. If the elections were today, we'd lose the House, with seats to spare. The Senate is seriously in play. There's no hyperbole here -- the Dems are headed toward crushing defeats this November."

That's what I heard..... we'll see what happens. The day draweth nigh.

1097 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:14:03pm

re: #1023 SteveC

Murkowski concedes

Does anyone know that Miller want's to end medicaid and unemployment insurance?

This is really fucked up. Thank you Sister Sarah!

(thanks for the update Steve!)

1098 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:14:07pm

re: #820 Mr Pancakes

That sucks... I've heard of scams like that.

It could be worse. You could be a central American parent with a kid going through Mexico for Texas, and they want a payment you really truly cannot make, and so they kill your kid. Along with 30-some others.

This was in the news recently. That's how "coyotes" work, when they're smuggling Guatemalans etc. through Mexico to the U.S.

And then they kill the mayor of the town for making a fuss about it.

1099 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:14:19pm

Fascinating to just read and watch.

I love this place.

1100 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:14:23pm

re: #1095 Cannadian Club Akbar

Beneath the Veil. Saria Shah. Love her.

Whoops, misread that.

1101 jaunte  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:14:31pm

re: #1092 b_sharp

I'm out.

I got fuck all for sleep last night. Time to catch up.

That can be exhausting.

1102 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:14:34pm

re: #1079 McSpiff

If someone is acting like an asshole, they deserve to be called on it.

Consider it done. Asshole.



Seriously, your melodrama is getting old.

You know what else is old? The 'let's pile on iceweasel' meme. As is the 'gee, the problem isn't the attack on iceweasel, it's her response!"
As is the "So and so is a wonderful poster, a treasure!" defense of assorted assholes, who then inevitably wind up banned and -- gasp-- posting on the stalker blog. Followed my amnesia and more blaming of everyone but--the assholes themselves.

Your concern troll-fu is weak, my dear. Sorry about your pal Mandy. Sad face.
Blame someone else.

1103 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:14:35pm

re: #1086 Dark_Falcon

Well, I didn't say Spare was one of them, but his post sounded like something they'd post. That's all I meant.

Wasn't even thinking of you D_F. Your post read as a warning. Ice and Jimmah read as goading. I don't want to see Spare end up at the stalker blog, but it seems some are determined to drive him there.

1104 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:15:22pm

re: #1082 NJDhockeyfan

OK, then explain these quotes made before George Bush was elected:

Well elbruce, we're waiting...

1105 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:15:23pm

re: #1101 jaunte

That can be exhausting.

So can beans.

I'm really gone now.

'night.

1106 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:15:24pm

re: #1082 NJDhockeyfan

OK, then explain these quotes made before George Bush was elected:

Saddam was known to have a chemical weapons program, which he stopped in the 90's due to international pressure. We know he had chemical weapons back then, because a) he used it on his own people, and b) we sold it to him.

A few degraded decades-old chemical weapons were found when we invaded in 2003. But that was old news.

Invading Iraq based on that stuff would be like invading Germany for being Nazis. Today.

1107 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:15:48pm

re: #1009 b_sharp

You know, if you follow my posting history here you'll find I tend to call people on their stupid arguments. If someone has a good, well thought out argument, I'll argue with him/her if I disagree with their stance but I won't (usually) get nasty. However, if your logic sucks, or your conclusions just don't follow or you get nasty for no reason, I will comment in kind.

Right now, you have to be the most illogical, annoying, frustrating poster here. Your arguments suck. Big time. But they don't have to.

Stop and think. Dump the emotion, and think. Then post.

Scroll by if you don't like my ideas.

1108 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:15:48pm

re: #1103 McSpiff

Wasn't even thinking of you D_F. Your post read as a warning. Ice and Jimmah read as goading.

What a crock of shit.The only one who has been goading here is you.

1109 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:16:05pm

re: #1077 b_sharp

The US is the largest, most powerful and influential country in the Western world. NYC is the financial capital, and the most influential city, in the US. The WTC had become the symbol of NYC.

They had no other choice. It was all about symbolism. Showing how easy it is to attack that symbol would paralyse the entire country.

Of course, it didn't. The U.S. cannot so easily be paralyzed. Even if they were somehow able to hit us with a couple dozen nukes, the country would not be erased. Just enraged.

1110 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:16:14pm

re: #1102 iceweasel

I'm Mandy's pal now? After her numerous posts pointing out exactly what she thought of me (usually involved pissing up ropes) I think she might be shocked to hear that. Nice try though.

1111 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:16:24pm

re: #1098 lostlakehiker

It could be worse. You could be a central American parent with a kid going through Mexico for Texas, and they want a payment you really truly cannot make, and so they kill your kid. Along with 30-some others.

This was in the news recently. That's how "coyotes" work, when they're smuggling Guatemalans etc. through Mexico to the U.S.

And then they kill the mayor of the town for making a fuss about it.

Well I won't equate border violence with bank scams..... but yes..... it's horrible what is happening at the border..... nothing surprises me.

1112 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:17:39pm

Damn. Did everybody's AC go out today or something? First of the month, bills due?

1113 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:18:03pm

re: #1093 NJDhockeyfan

If that's true why is the left only blaming George Bush? It seems to me if you are correct the Democrats lied to GWB.

So the President of the United States of America got his bad information from individual Senators and Congressional Representatives rather than from his own intelligence agencies? Really?

If so, then he's so criminally incompetent that I'd rather he were a liar.

1114 jaunte  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:18:05pm

re: #1112 tnguitarist
Who run Squabbletown?

1115 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:18:07pm

re: #1085 Cannadian Club Akbar

FYI, Stanley is a woman.

You've gotta be shittin' me! I wondered why a guy kissed me good night the other day. NTTAWWT

1116 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:18:28pm

re: #1103 McSpiff

Wasn't even thinking of you D_F. Your post read as a warning. Ice and Jimmah read as goading. I don't want to see Spare end up at the stalker blog, but it seems some are determined to drive him there.

Nobody is driving him anywhere...... the issue is his recent behavior.

Why can't he debate like an adult?

Is that too much to ask of him?

1117 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:18:31pm

re: #1108 iceweasel

What a crock of shit.The only one who has been goading here is you.

Right, the permavictim ice would never attempt to push buttons. How silly of me.

1118 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:18:35pm

re: #1110 McSpiff

Nice try though.

Thanks.:)

1119 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:18:41pm

#546 TheMatrix31

Good thing they didn't have the ability to wipe out London. Good thing these fuckers DIDNT have the ability to attack the whole country. That's my point, that its utterly RIDICULOUS to feel like you weren't attacked that day.

Whatever.

Whatever?

Here's whatever.

Of course I was attacked that day. We were attacked. And I am one degree of separation from a woman who went into the Pentagon that day as a carbon-based component of a bomb. So don't ever tell me that I don't know about 9/11, you turd.

Second point: Of course we were all attacked that day. Here's the difference.

Some of us are not planning to spend the rest of our lives hating people who had nothing to do with that shit.

And I don't care how old you are. If you're old enough to frisk around on the internet, you're old enough to know better.

1120 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:18:52pm

re: #1102 iceweasel

My grandfather used to say 'stupidity is a commodity given out by God in great abundance'.

1121 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:19:02pm

re: #1113 elbruce

So the President of the United States of America got his bad information from individual Senators and Congressional Representatives rather than from his own intelligence agencies? Really?

If so, then he's so criminally incompetent that I'd rather he were a liar.

Um, head of the CIA was hold over, IIRC.

1122 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:19:23pm

re: #1112 tnguitarist

Damn. Did everybody's AC go out today or something? First of the month, bills due?

Actually, I may need a little heart tonight... it's already 50 degrees (f) here... and it can only go lower before morning.

Glad to see everyone having a good evening.

1123 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:19:26pm

re: #1117 McSpiff

Right, the permavictim ice would never attempt to push buttons. How silly of me.

I'm sure you'd like me to be a permavictim, but that is your sad delusion.

1124 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:20:32pm

re: #1093 NJDhockeyfan

If that's true why is the left only blaming George Bush? It seems to me if you are correct the Democrats lied to GWB.

The 'left' is certainly not only blaming Bush. His opposition to going into Iraq may be one reason Obama took the nomination.

The 'left' largely believes that the decision to invade was ill-advised, and based on an interpretation of facts on the ground that favored a certain interpretation. There were certainly voices at the time that said we should not move, and that the interpretation the Bush administration pushed was not correct.

As it happened, the war took place. And it became clear we weren't going to find WMD on the scale we'd been promised, and the narrative changed.

I don't hold that Bush lied, but I certainly think he was guilty of making questionable decisions along with his administration, as was every Democrat who voted for the war.

1125 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:20:38pm

re: #1122 Walter L. Newton

Actually, I may need a little heart tonight... it's already 50 degrees (f) here... and it can only go lower before morning.

Glad to see everyone having a good evening.

Yea.... best thing would be an early overnight thread about now.

1126 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:21:19pm

re: #1106 elbruce

Saddam was known to have a chemical weapons program, which he stopped in the 90's due to international pressure. We know he had chemical weapons back then, because a) he used it on his own people, and b) we sold it to him.

A few degraded decades-old chemical weapons were found when we invaded in 2003. But that was old news.

Invading Iraq based on that stuff would be like invading Germany for being Nazis. Today.

Then why did the Democrats say he was still developing WMD? Here's some more quotes for you to defend...


"We know that he has stored away secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002. *

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan resolution that's presently under consideration in the Senate. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies..."
John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002. *

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002. *

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct. 10, 2002.

1127 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:21:21pm

re: #1122 Walter L. Newton

Actually, I may need a little heart tonight... it's already 50 degrees (f) here... and it can only go lower before morning.

Glad to see everyone having a good evening.


Can we work out some sort of exchange program?

1128 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:21:34pm

re: #1042 NJDhockeyfan

What about all the Democrats who said Saddam was making WMDs? Did George Bush force them to say those things?

The Democrats were as fucked as the Republicans.

We all see that!

That's the problem in a nutshell with the Democratic party!

Republicans still walk lock step with the lie, Democrats are pissed at the pandering fools.

HELLO!

1129 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:21:36pm

Good night Lizzards.........

1130 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:21:38pm

re: #1125 Mr Pancakes

Yea... best thing would be an early overnight thread about now.

Seems a number of people's eyes have been open over the last few days... interesting.

1131 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:22:00pm

re: #1122 Walter L. Newton

Actually, I may need a little heart tonight... it's already 50 degrees (f) here... and it can only go lower before morning.

Glad to see everyone having a good evening.

The days here have finally gotten bearable. Nights are perfect (upper 60's). Time to start getting some work done on this house finally. Got a baby room to get ready.

1132 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:22:52pm

re: #1113 elbruce

So the President of the United States of America got his bad information from individual Senators and Congressional Representatives rather than from his own intelligence agencies? Really?

If so, then he's so criminally incompetent that I'd rather he were a liar.

Then that makes the Democrats also criminally incompetent or liars.

1133 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:22:55pm

re: #1113 elbruce

So the President of the United States of America got his bad information from individual Senators and Congressional Representatives rather than from his own intelligence agencies? Really?

If so, then he's so criminally incompetent that I'd rather he were a liar.

Bush wasn't lying. Just mistaken. The CIA knew what Bush wanted to hear, and they wanted to make him happy. So they accepted reports from agents they should have realized were making shit up, and dressed them up as fact, and everybody bit.

Circular self-delusion situation. It's happened before. Most wars are the result of amazingly stupid miscalculations. Almost always on at least one side. For the Iraq war, on two sides. Saddam ought to have known that he had to back down or end up swinging from a rope.

And Bush ought to have known that his own CIA was too eager to please.

1134 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:22:59pm

re: #1127 McSpiff

Can we work out some sort of exchange program?

Nope... I like the cool... when season change in Colorado, they change right on schedule... (I mistyped... I type "heart" meant "heat.")

1135 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:23:00pm

re: #1117 McSpiff

Right, the permavictim ice would never attempt to push buttons. How silly of me.

Well, it's clear I pushed yours. You jumped right into this discussion without reading the thread. To downding me. And accuse me of hostility.
When this was pointed out, you responded with....more hostility and whining about--being downdinged.

So, keep on with this line of attack. It's sure to work out well for you.

1136 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:23:07pm

I've played a few rounds of golf but I've never done this.

1137 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:23:21pm

re: #1126 NJDhockeyfan

Then why did the Democrats say he was still developing WMD? Here's some more quotes for you to defend...

They were all given bad intelligence.

1138 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:23:51pm

re: #1131 tnguitarist

The days here have finally gotten bearable. Nights are perfect (upper 60's). Time to start getting some work done on this house finally. Got a baby room to get ready.

Did you buy a baby? They're neat. Was it used or a new model?

1139 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:23:57pm

re: #1109 lostlakehiker

Of course, it didn't. The U.S. cannot so easily be paralyzed. Even if they were somehow able to hit us with a couple dozen nukes, the country would not be erased. Just enraged.

Yeah, but if we have bad enough leadership at the time, the U.S. can be goaded into a blundering response that massively helps the attackers.

OSAMA BIN LADEN: Those Americans are total assholes. They want to kill us all.

RANDOM MUSLIM: Ah, they're not so bad. As long as they aren't shoving Britney Spears' vagina in my face, they're OK. I like their whole freedom and democracy thing.

OSAMA BIN LADEN: You think they'd let you in? One thing goes wrong and they'd instantly kill any of us. Give them the right shove, and they'll attack any Muslim they can, they don't even care who. We all look the same to those assholes.

RANDOM MUSLIM: You're full of it. They're way smarter than that. And they don't hate Muslims. Their freedom of religion is one of the coolest things about them.

OSAMA BIN LADEN: Watch this:

*9/11*

GEORGE BUSH: The United States will invade Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

OSAMA BIN LADEN: See? I told you.

RANDOM MUSLIM: Holy shit, you were exactly right! Where do I sign up?

1140 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:23:59pm

re: #1133 lostlakehiker

Bush wasn't lying. Just mistaken. The CIA knew what Bush wanted to hear, and they wanted to make him happy. So they accepted reports from agents they should have realized were making shit up, and dressed them up as fact, and everybody bit.

Circular self-delusion situation. It's happened before. Most wars are the result of amazingly stupid miscalculations. Almost always on at least one side. For the Iraq war, on two sides. Saddam ought to have known that he had to back down or end up swinging from a rope.

And Bush ought to have known that his own CIA was too eager to please.

Like I always say: "Holy shit! Dude manipulated us right into invading his ass!"

1141 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:24:03pm

re: #1135 iceweasel

Such a bore. Same lines, over and over again.

1142 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:24:03pm

re: #1117 McSpiff

Right, the permavictim ice would never attempt to push buttons. How silly of me.

"Hating Iceweasel is fun!
Hatin' on Ice is great!
I'll keep hating on her,
after I get the gate!"

- I Hate Iceweasel by The Banned

1143 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:24:15pm

re: #1136 cliffster

I've played a few rounds of golf but I've never done this.

Then you've never golfed.
/

1144 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:24:33pm

re: #1134 Walter L. Newton

Nope... I like the cool... when season change in Colorado, they change right on schedule... (I mistyped... I type "heart" meant "heat.")

I miss the cool. Hottest day since 70-something here.

1145 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:24:55pm

re: #1141 McSpiff

Such a bore. Same lines, over and over again.

Scroll over, then. Oh, and piss off, freak.

1146 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:25:00pm

re: #1141 McSpiff

Such a bore. Same lines, over and over again.

McSpiff. I'm a little confused. It's like you did a u-turn or something. Is that really you or what?

1147 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:25:05pm

re: #1032 Jimmah

Ecsuse me, but can we stop the meme that there is an ice-Spare conflict, or an ice-anyone conflict? The conflict here, as a quick glance at the bottom ten every goddamn day will confirm, is between Spare and LGF.

Repeat.

Ice has been back for what, 4 hours? And a fucking conflict is blamed on her?

I don't mean to highlight this situation, because it is a total joke, but it is AMAZING TO ME HOW QUICKLY IT FUCKING HAPPENED.

Get real.

Really, think about it. REAL.

1148 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:25:47pm

re: #1136 cliffster

I've played a few rounds of golf but I've never done this.

They need a rule---no burning up the course.

1149 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:25:53pm

re: #1144 McSpiff

I miss the cool. Hottest day since 70-something here.

Here... where is here... do I remember Austin or something, you said once... forgot.

1150 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:26:03pm

re: #1138 Walter L. Newton

Did you buy a baby? They're neat. Was it used or a new model?

It's a new model. Set for delivery in December.

1151 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:26:33pm

re: #1136 cliffster

I've played a few rounds of golf but I've never done this.

A golf ball hit a rock and sparked? Hmmmm.....

1152 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:26:36pm

re: #1079 McSpiff

re: #1064 Jimmah

If someone is acting like an asshole, they deserve to be called on it. Stalker is a very specific insult, referring to a group of people who amongst other things make death threats about the posters here. If you think Spare deserves to be lumped into that, fair enough but personally I haven't seen anything to show that Spare is actively trying to harm this community or its members. You and Spare seem to both give equally. From where I'm standing he's just incredibly unpopular with some opinions even I consider bigoted. So let him sit in the bottom 10. Not sure why we need some sort of crusade against the guy.

Seriously, your melodrama is getting old.

You don't know what you are talking about. We have seen acts like Spares come and go many many times. Guess what, we know how to recognise them, and where they usually end up - even if you don't.

I think I'm not alone in saying that I'd like to see some sensible conservatives at LGF. But of course, there is some value in having a few wingnuts around too - provided they don't abuse the site. They can serve a purpose - I think we all get that.

Now, who called for Spare to be banned? Who's fevered imagination is running wild with notions of a crusade? We are just calling his dumbest and most abusive statements out as we should. Sorry, but calling out bullshit is just what we do on LGF. Whether he reins his bs in somewhat or melts down at some point is entirely up to him.

PS You do understand that whispering campaigns are not an accurate way of getting information don't you? I say this because it's clear that you have suddenly changed your whole attitude towards ice - and it's clearly nothing to do with anything she has posted recently herself, or any exchange between yourselves.

1153 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:27:07pm

Oh. And people get banned or blocked because their behavior and rhetoric got them blocked. People need to take personal responsibility for getting themselves banned and other that see it happen to them need to accept the fact that they were banned for being out of line and not blame others here.

1154 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:27:10pm

re: #1150 tnguitarist

It's a new model. Set for delivery in December.

It better not be in a box under a Christmas tree.
//

1155 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:27:40pm

re: #1150 tnguitarist

It's a new model. Set for delivery in December.

Wow... right in time for Christmas, or Hanukkah, or Kwanzaa, or Festiva, or winter solstice... or what ever... (got to be careful... don't want to insult anyone).

1156 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:27:46pm

re: #1154 Cannadian Club Akbar

It better not be in a box under a Christmas tree.
//

Airholes.

1157 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:28:32pm

re: #1147 Stanley Sea

Repeat.

Ice has been back for what, 4 hours? And a fucking conflict is blamed on her?

I don't mean to highlight this situation, because it is a total joke, but it is AMAZING TO ME HOW QUICKLY IT FUCKING HAPPENED.

Get real.

Really, think about it. REAL.

Yeah. Unfuckingbelievable.

As usual, the actual attacks are completely ignored by the concern trolls and assholes. Oh, but if I direct their attention to them I'm playing victim. Mm-hmm.

Fucking assholes.

1158 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:28:53pm

re: #1121 Cannadian Club Akbar

Um, head of the CIA was hold over, IIRC.

George Tenet In Office July 11, 1997 – July 11, 2004.

I said absolutely nothing about who appointed him. Just that he was the CIA director when Bush was given the Iraq intel and after.

If, as George Bush now claims, he decided to invade Iraq because of bad intelligence given to him by the C.I.A, then it was George Tenet who gave him this bad intelligence. If Bush isn't to blame, then Tenet is. At least from Bush's perspective...

Look - imagine you're the President. You just made what turned out to be the biggest fuckup in the history of Presidenting. You tell everybody it's that guy's fault for giving you bad info (never even mind "the buck stops here"). Then a year later, you bestow the same guy with a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

What part of this picture doesn't fit?

1159 laZardo  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:28:55pm

re: #1078 NJDhockeyfan

Are you saying the Democrats were trying to finish what Bush 41 started?

A few. Probably holdovers from the 90s. Plus they probably figured it'd get that lingering matter off their plates.

[sorry for the late response. had late breakfast]

1160 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:29:25pm

re: #1149 Walter L. Newton

Here... where is here... do I remember Austin or something, you said once... forgot.


Halifax, Nova Scotia. So no, not Texas heat. But more than I'm use to.

1161 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:29:25pm

re: #1117 McSpiff

Right, the permavictim ice would never attempt to push buttons. How silly of me.

Now honestly, I've had some arguments with ice and got downdinged, but it never left the realm of civil.

Keeping it factual is the right approach when arguing. If you must, insult the opponent's thinking on the matter in dispute, but go no further.

1162 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:30:26pm

re: #1155 Walter L. Newton

Wow... right in time for Christmas, or Hanukkah, or Kwanzaa, or Festiva, or winter solstice... or what ever... (got to be careful... don't want to insult anyone).

We finally decided to try raising a boy after two of the female persuasion.

1163 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:31:05pm

re: #1158 elbruce

All I said is that he was a hold over.

1164 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:31:11pm

re: #1153 Gus 802

Oh. And people get banned or blocked because their behavior and rhetoric got them blocked. People need to take personal responsibility for getting themselves banned and other that see it happen to them need to accept the fact that they were banned for being out of line and not blame others here.

Exactly. I can't believe anyone is still trying to run with this "Bad people are making nice people say bad things and then they get banned" bollocks.

1165 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:31:15pm

re: #1153 Gus 802

Oh. And people get banned or blocked because their behavior and rhetoric got them blocked. People need to take personal responsibility for getting themselves banned and other that see it happen to them need to accept the fact that they were banned for being out of line and not blame others here.

When people try to blame other posters here for some asshole being banned and winding up at the stalker site, what they're also really doing is blaming Charles for banning them.

It's really unbelievable to me that this goes on. Even when the fucktard shows up over at 2.0, you'll still find people here claiming they were 'run off' the site.

Yeah. They were 'baited' into being bigots, assholes, misogynists, whatever. That's it. /

1166 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:31:15pm

re: #1152 Jimmah

You don't know what you are talking about. We have seen acts like Spares come and go many many times. Guess what, we know how to recognise them, and where they usually end up - even if you don't.

I think I'm not alone in saying that I'd like to see some sensible conservatives at LGF. But of course, there is some value in having a few wingnuts around too - provided they don't abuse the site. They can serve a purpose - I think we all get that.

Now, who called for Spare to be banned? Who's fevered imagination is running wild with notions of a crusade? We are just calling his dumbest and most abusive statements out as we should. Sorry, but calling out bullshit is just what we do on LGF. Whether he reins his bs in somewhat or melts down at some point is entirely up to him.

PS You do understand that whispering campaigns are not an accurate way of getting information don't you? I say this because it's clear that you have suddenly changed your whole attitude towards ice - and it's clearly nothing to do with anything she has posted recently herself, or any exchange between yourselves.

Sulks...I don't qualify as sensible? Maybe I don't qualify as conservative?

1167 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:32:04pm

My eyes are starting to roll back in my head.

1168 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:32:13pm

re: #1160 McSpiff

Halifax, Nova Scotia. So no, not Texas heat. But more than I'm use to.

Nova Scotia... you must be kidding... HOT? I was up there near there in the early 60's... well... northern Maine... waiting at the Canadian border... in August... it fucking started snowing... I still have a picture of that in my mind... as a Brooklyn city boy on a New England vacation in August, that blew my mind.

1169 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:32:41pm

re: #1162 tnguitarist

We finally decided to try raising a boy after two of the female persuasion.

Well... congrats... hope he grows up to be a conservative.

1170 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:33:29pm

re: #1075 iceweasel

921 I mean. Feh. Oh noooes, iceweasel 'attacked' Spare! Waaah!

Couldn't I log in here just once and not see the "regulars" trying to cannibalize each other?

Once upon a time (not all that long ago) this used to be a fun blog to read and add comments too. Now it is nothing but endless sniping and petty juvenile bickering over points that mostly mean nothing to the average thread reader.

I'm dealing with some pretty dire shit I.R.L. and used to come here to get away from that and post a few satirical and hopefully witty comments when I could make the time. Every time I check the blog now it is nothing but fights, arguments, and name calling, it is NOT fun to read.

The attraction of this blog is that people with diverse viewpoints post here, you can argue your point and get the other side's feedback. Certain people (who shall remain nameless) seem to think it is their job to drive everyone who do not think like them away. Instead of just responding to what they say they attack them personally for having said it, then attack them again and again and again for everything they ever say.

Certain people (who shall remain nameless) seem to think that this would be a much better blog if everyone just agreed on every point. The words totalitarian and propaganda come readily to mind, several others also but I won't use them here.

Perhaps these people (who shall remain nameless) might want to check their seemingly liberal views against their actions on this blog and decide for themselves whether or not they pass muster.

/(shorter version: Fucking stop screwing up the blog you self righteous dicks!)

1171 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:33:40pm

re: #1072 SanFranciscoZionist

This whole situation is just seriously, seriously bad. Pakistan is not a good place to have further destabilized, and the suffering from this is awful and going to get worse.

Hello!

Pakistan is going to suffer more because the global community doesn't seem to care!

What the hell are we asking for?

1172 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:33:41pm

re: #1169 Walter L. Newton

Well... congrats... hope he grows up to be a conservative.

And big enough to beat the crap out of guys fucking with his sisters.:)

1173 jaunte  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:33:41pm

Trapped Chilean miner sends wedding proposal to sweetheart
"Please keep praying that we get out of this alive. And when I do get out, we will buy a dress and get married."
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Goodnight everyone. Enjoy the air up here.

1174 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:33:45pm

re: #1165 iceweasel

When people try to blame other posters here for some asshole being banned and winding up at the stalker site, what they're also really doing is blaming Charles for banning them.

It's really unbelievable to me that this goes on. Even when the fucktard shows up over at 2.0, you'll still find people here claiming they were 'run off' the site.

Yeah. They were 'baited' into being bigots, assholes, misogynists, whatever. That's it. /

Exactly. And that last banning was accomplished all on her own. But people are still trying to push the false meme that people are being forced into being blocked. What are we dealing with here children? Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

1175 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:34:08pm

re: #1169 Walter L. Newton

Well... congrats... hope he grows up to be a conservative.

No way. I've already successfully brainwashed one into being an 18 year old liberal and the second is well on her way.

1176 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:34:52pm

re: #1152 Jimmah


I think I'm not alone in saying that I'd like to see some sensible conservatives at LGF. But of course, there is some value in having a few wingnuts around too - provided they don't abuse the site. They can serve a purpose - I think we all get that.

I'd like to think I resemble that remark..

Now, as far as Spare goes, it bears recalling we all have better days and worse.

Been there, done that myself.

1177 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:35:38pm

re: #1158 elbruce

Look - imagine you're the President. You just made what turned out to be the biggest fuckup in the history of Presidenting. You tell everybody it's that guy's fault for giving you bad info (never even mind "the buck stops here"). Then a year later, you bestow the same guy with a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

What part of this picture doesn't fit?

Imagine you are the President. You are in charge of keeping American safe. Russia gives you this information. What do you do?

(CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said his country warned the United States several times that Saddam Hussein's regime was planning terror attacks on the United States and its overseas interests.

Putin's comments in Kazakhstan came amid a new debate in the United States about the extent of ties between Saddam and the al Qaeda terrorist network triggered by a preliminary report from the commission investigating the September 11 attacks.

"I can confirm that after the events of September 11, 2001, and up to the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services and Russian intelligence several times received ... information that official organs of Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist acts on the territory of the United States and beyond its borders, at U.S. military and civilian locations," Putin said.

1178 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:35:41pm

re: #1170 ausador

Certain people (who shall remain nameless) seem to think it is their job to drive everyone who do not think like them away. Instead of just responding to what they say they attack them personally for having said it, then attack them again and again and again for everything they ever say.

Certain people (who shall remain nameless) seem to think that this would be a much better blog if everyone just agreed on every point. The words totalitarian and propaganda come readily to mind, several others also but I won't use them here.

Perhaps these people (who shall remain nameless) might want to check their seemingly liberal views against their actions on this blog and decide for themselves whether or not they pass muster.

/(shorter version: Fucking stop screwing up the blog you self righteous dicks!)

Address this to someone who needs to see it. Hint: not me.

1179 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:35:48pm

re: #1170 ausador

LGF - High School edition.

1180 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:35:50pm

re: #1133 lostlakehiker

Bush wasn't lying. Just mistaken.

Frankly, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter at all. He gets exactly as much blame either way.

Because it was his responsibility to know for sure before he acted. If he was too stupid to be President, then he shouldn't have run for the job. The moment he took it, I don't give a fuck whether his failures were based on malice or incompetence. The consequences that the rest of us must suffer are the same either way.


re: #1133 lostlakehiker

Saddam ought to have known that he had to back down or end up swinging from a rope.

Saddam misunderestimated Bush.

(Misunderestimate: to underestimate how incompetent and/or stupid someone is capable of being.)

1181 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:36:07pm

re: #1168 Walter L. Newton

Nova Scotia... you must be kidding... HOT? I was up there near there in the early 60's... well... northern Maine... waiting at the Canadian border... in August... it fucking started snowing... I still have a picture of that in my mind... as a Brooklyn city boy on a New England vacation in August, that blew my mind.

We're sitting near 90 and its killing me. But that's this year. Next year ill be digging out sweaters. Doesn't make sense.

1182 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:36:14pm

re: #1153 Gus 802

Oh. And people get banned or blocked because their behavior and rhetoric got them blocked. People need to take personal responsibility for getting themselves banned and other that see it happen to them need to accept the fact that they were banned for being out of line and not blame others here.

Late reading girl gets to repost important statement.

>> yes

1183 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:36:15pm

re: #1163 Cannadian Club Akbar

All I said is that he was a hold over.

You are avoiding answering El Bruce question about awarding Tenet the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Don't you find it odd that President Bush awarded him that honor after supplying the faulty intelligence that led to a war?

1184 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:36:35pm

re: #1170 ausador

Couldn't I log in here just once and not see the "regulars" trying to cannibalize each other?

Once upon a time (not all that long ago) this used to be a fun blog to read and add comments too. Now it is nothing but endless sniping and petty juvenile bickering over points that mostly mean nothing to the average thread reader.

I'm dealing with some pretty dire shit I.R.L. and used to come here to get away from that and post a few satirical and hopefully witty comments when I could make the time. Every time I check the blog now it is nothing but fights, arguments, and name calling, it is NOT fun to read.

The attraction of this blog is that people with diverse viewpoints post here, you can argue your point and get the other side's feedback. Certain people (who shall remain nameless) seem to think it is their job to drive everyone who do not think like them away. Instead of just responding to what they say they attack them personally for having said it, then attack them again and again and again for everything they ever say.

Certain people (who shall remain nameless) seem to think that this would be a much better blog if everyone just agreed on every point. The words totalitarian and propaganda come readily to mind, several others also but I won't use them here.

Perhaps these people (who shall remain nameless) might want to check their seemingly liberal views against their actions on this blog and decide for themselves whether or not they pass muster.

/(shorter version: Fucking stop screwing up the blog you self righteous dicks!)

You just noticed?

1185 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:36:41pm

re: #1174 Gus 802

Exactly. And that last banning was accomplished all on her own. But people are still trying to push the false meme that people are being forced into being blocked. What are we dealing with here children? Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

i wasn't even here for Mandy or Bagua's bannings. I'm still getting the fucking blame for it.

Yep, they earned it. Deal with it, people.

1186 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:36:51pm

Permavictim? Who wouldn't prefer that status over an actual life?

Does the "perma-" in permavictim have anything to do with permafrost?

Well, then, there you go. Why didn't I see it before?

Ice --> frost --> perma --> frozen victim = Iceweasel is a permavictim buried deep within the permafrost, and we must call that to everybody's attention.

McSpiff, you need a better spliff. Or a bottle of Shinola for your shite.

1187 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:37:10pm

re: #1177 NJDhockeyfan

Imagine you are the President. You are in charge of keeping American safe. Russia gives you this information. What do you do?

Trust Russia. Wait, what?

1188 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:37:15pm

re: #1175 tnguitarist

No way. I've already successfully brainwashed one into being an 18 year old liberal and the second is well on her way.

Ok... as a conservative, I would be the last person to tell you how to raise your kids...

1189 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:37:21pm

re: #1183 Reginald Perrin

You are avoiding answering El Bruce question about awarding Tenet the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Don't you find it odd that President Bush awarded him that honor after supplying the faulty intelligence that led to a war?

i think the intel was still believed at the time.

1190 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:37:22pm

re: #1173 jaunte

Trapped Chilean miner sends wedding proposal to sweetheart
"Please keep praying that we get out of this alive. And when I do get out, we will buy a dress and get married."
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Goodnight everyone. Enjoy the air up here.

Oh, I so want to see all those guys get out safe and sound.

1191 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:37:51pm

re: #1185 iceweasel

You do know you were the one to bring up Mandy, right? You aren't even making sense. Its not all about you.

1192 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:38:02pm

re: #1185 iceweasel

i wasn't even here for Mandy or Bagua's bannings. I'm still getting the fucking blame for it.

Yep, they earned it. Deal with it, people.

Mandy got banned?

1193 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:38:57pm

re: #1185 iceweasel

i wasn't even here for Mandy or Bagua's bannings. I'm still getting the fucking blame for it.

Yep, they earned it. Deal with it, people.

You know what else is pretty funny? When you were gone the squabbles and so called self-cannibalizing was going on daily. There were two major squabbles going on not two long ago in two different threads. Of course the main difference is that a lot of people still have an axe to grind with Jimmah and you.

1194 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:39:40pm

re: #1193 Gus 802

You know what else is pretty funny? When you were gone the squabbles and so called self-cannibalizing was going on daily. There were two major squabbles going on not two long ago in two different threads. Of course the main difference is that a lot of people still have an axe to grind with Jimmah and you.

...not two to long ago...

1195 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:40:04pm

re: #1122 Walter L. Newton

Actually, I may need a little heart tonight... it's already 50 degrees (f) here... and it can only go lower before morning.

Glad to see everyone having a good evening.

I knew you were bad, but I didn't know you were a cannibal!

1196 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:40:13pm

re: #1167 Mr Pancakes

My eyes are starting to roll back in my head.

Uh, Mr. Pancakes? Mrs. Waffle is awaiting. Go, with syrup.

1197 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:40:15pm

re: #1194 Gus 802

...not two to long ago...

No voting for you!

1198 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:40:50pm

re: #1192 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mandy got banned?

Oh. You missed that part.

Yeah.

1199 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:41:27pm

re: #1188 Walter L. Newton

Ok... as a conservative, I would be the last person to tell you how to raise your kids...

I actually take things on a case by case basis. It would be tough to call me a straight-up liberal.

I teach my kids to love the arts, appreciate the world around them and enjoy life. I don't sugar coat things or protect them from seeing the ugly side of the world.

1200 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:41:40pm

re: #1197 Mr Pancakes

No voting for you!

funny

1201 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:41:41pm

re: #1198 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh. You missed that part.

Yeah.

What did she do/say? (not exact, just an overview)

1202 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:41:43pm

re: #1196 Stanley Sea

Uh, Mr. Pancakes? Mrs. Waffle is awaiting. Go, with syrup.

Actually Ms Butterworth is waiting.......... and I like a little (fat free) whipped cream.

1203 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:42:26pm

re: #1183 Reginald Perrin

You are avoiding answering El Bruce question about awarding Tenet the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Don't you find it odd that President Bush awarded him that honor after supplying the faulty intelligence that led to a war?

No, honors are some times given to people even after they've fucked up. Some times you give them a medal so when they leave it won't look like they got fired.

1204 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:42:37pm

re: #1176 researchok

I'd like to think I resemble that remark..

Now, as far as Spare goes, it bears recalling we all have better days and worse.

Been there, done that myself.

Fuck you too! ;D

1205 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:42:59pm

re: #1201 Cannadian Club Akbar

What did she do/say? (not exact, just an overview)

She basically felt like Tennessee was being unfairly slandered and went beyond the call of duty in defending its honor.

1206 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:43:08pm

re: #1202 Mr Pancakes

Actually Ms Butterworth is waiting... and I like a little (fat free) whipped cream.

Don't ever use the words fat free in my presence sir.
/

1207 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:43:10pm

re: #1193 Gus 802

You know what else is pretty funny? When you were gone the squabbles and so called self-cannibalizing was going on daily. There were two major squabbles going on not two long ago in two different threads. Of course the main difference is that a lot of people still have an axe to grind with Jimmah and you.

Yep. The whole little email chain went into frenzy when Mandy was banned, I'd bet.

I see we're on the second step in the ShitHead Waltz, the one that goes "iceweasel, this isn't all about you"-- after posting repeatedly about me and to me.

I have also used the letter I several times in this post. more evidence of my narcissism, no doubt.

1208 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:43:15pm

re: #1204 Spare O'Lake

Fuck you too! ;D

Phew.... thank god for emoticons.

1209 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:43:39pm

re: #1170 ausador

Couldn't I log in here just once and not see the "regulars" trying to cannibalize each other?

Once upon a time (not all that long ago) this used to be a fun blog to read and add comments too. Now it is nothing but endless sniping and petty juvenile bickering over points that mostly mean nothing to the average thread reader.

I'm dealing with some pretty dire shit I.R.L. and used to come here to get away from that and post a few satirical and hopefully witty comments when I could make the time. Every time I check the blog now it is nothing but fights, arguments, and name calling, it is NOT fun to read.

The attraction of this blog is that people with diverse viewpoints post here, you can argue your point and get the other side's feedback. Certain people (who shall remain nameless) seem to think it is their job to drive everyone who do not think like them away. Instead of just responding to what they say they attack them personally for having said it, then attack them again and again and again for everything they ever say.

Certain people (who shall remain nameless) seem to think that this would be a much better blog if everyone just agreed on every point. The words totalitarian and propaganda come readily to mind, several others also but I won't use them here.

Perhaps these people (who shall remain nameless) might want to check their seemingly liberal views against their actions on this blog and decide for themselves whether or not they pass muster.

/(shorter version: Fucking stop screwing up the blog you self righteous dicks!)

The cry of the butthurt echoes in the night...

Who are these people who shall remain nameless? If you don't say, people will think you are just another gutless passive aggressive shit-stirrer.

Are they the people who supposedly got all those nice people banned and forced them to go post over on the stalker blog about what a horrible place LGF is?/

1210 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:43:47pm

re: #1199 tnguitarist

I actually take things on a case by case basis. It would be tough to call me a straight-up liberal.

I teach my kids to love the arts, appreciate the world around them and enjoy life. I don't sugar coat things or protect them from seeing the ugly side of the world.

I would tell my kids about the same thing, with a few adjustments. Love the arts, forget about this god thing, pay attention to the world around them, and understand it's all not ugly.

1211 laZardo  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:44:02pm

re: #1199 tnguitarist

I actually take things on a case by case basis. It would be tough to call me a straight-up liberal.

I teach my kids to love the arts, appreciate the world around them and enjoy life. I don't sugar coat things or protect them from seeing the ugly side of the world.

"Once a man has seen it, he can't turn his back on it. The Comedian knows this...and he doesn't care."

/probably attributing it to more than one character.

1212 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:44:09pm

re: #1201 Cannadian Club Akbar

What did she do/say? (not exact, just an overview)

It's really hard to describe these things sometimes without getting partisan. The thread was about shots fired near that mosque in TN. Charles said some things about TN that Mandy took amiss, and she got mad. Charles was not amused.

1213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:44:36pm

re: #1205 JasonA

She basically felt like Tennessee was being unfairly slandered and went beyond the call of duty in defending its honor.

Straight up ban or a time out?

1214 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:44:41pm

re: #1205 JasonA

She basically felt like Tennessee was being unfairly slandered and went beyond the call of duty in defending its honor.

That's a better explanation than the one I gave. Let's go with that.

1215 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:45:02pm

re: #1206 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't ever use the words fat free in my presence sir.
/

Ahhhhhh much prefer the fat version....... although under certain circumstances it can get a little funky smelling....... or so I've been told.

1216 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:45:24pm

re: #1201 Cannadian Club Akbar

What did she do/say? (not exact, just an overview)

She got deep into a line of thought that others here were calling all Southerners racist and blaming all of Tennessee for some shots fired near a Mosque in Mufreesboro. This lead to her going after Charles, which lead to he being banned.

1217 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:45:40pm

re: #1213 Cannadian Club Akbar

Straight up ban or a time out?

Banned. She'd already had timeouts.

1218 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:45:45pm

Good...*checks clock*...morning, fellow lizards. What's the good word?

1219 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:45:46pm

re: #1213 Cannadian Club Akbar

Straight up ban or a time out?


Ban. Then Charles went on to say he should have done that a long time ago. And I nodded.

1220 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:45:46pm

re: #1213 Cannadian Club Akbar

Straight up ban or a time out?

Straight up.

The thread went kind of stunned and quiet after that.

1221 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:46:06pm

re: #1210 Walter L. Newton

I would tell my kids about the same thing, with a few adjustments. Love the arts, forget about this god thing, pay attention to the world around them, and understand it's all not ugly.

We are a religion-free household. Do you know how hard that is in these parts?

It's not all ugly, but I don't want them to be smacked in the face when they strike out on their own, either. You have to see the ugly to appreciate the beautiful.

1222 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:46:19pm

re: #1209 Jimmah

The cry of the butthurt echoes in the night...

Who are these people who shall remain nameless? If you don't say, people will think you are just another gutless passive aggressive shit-stirrer.

Are they the people who supposedly got all those nice people banned and forced them to go post over on the stalker blog about what a horrible place LGF is?/

That would be it.

1223 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:46:23pm

re: #1192 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mandy got banned?

Oh yeah...re: #1213 Cannadian Club Akbar

Straight up ban or a time out?

Mandy's done, AFAIK...apparently, this was the last straw for Charles and had been building for a long time.

1224 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:47:00pm

re: #1218 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Good...*checks clock*...morning, fellow lizards. What's the good word?

Youtube Video
1225 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:47:51pm

re: #1221 tnguitarist

We are a religion-free household. Do you know how hard that is in these parts?

It's not all ugly, but I don't want them to be smacked in the face when they strike out on their own, either. You have to see the ugly to appreciate the beautiful.

That's why I use the term "pay attention." I see that as covering the good and the ugly.

1226 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:48:16pm

re: #1224 JasonA

[Video]

Okay, I asked for that one. Oy.

1227 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:48:28pm

The whole banned thing is why I relax and try to have fun here. I got into it last week with a guy I named King Douche, but he's gone. This is a place to have fun and a good debate. But then again, I don't take things personal.

1228 laZardo  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:49:01pm

Gonna go build my portfolio. BBL

1229 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:49:18pm

re: #1207 iceweasel

Yep. The whole little email chain went into frenzy when Mandy was banned, I'd bet.

I see we're on the second step in the ShitHead Waltz, the one that goes "iceweasel, this isn't all about you"-- after posting repeatedly about me and to me.

I have also used the letter I several times in this post. more evidence of my narcissism, no doubt.

I still can't figure out why you are an idiot magnet.

For the life of me, if anyone should be on your political shit list, it would be me. Needless to say, that isn't the case in any way. Just the opposite, really. It's like that for me with Obdi, too.

1230 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:49:37pm

re: #1223 talon_262

Oh yeah...re: #1213 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mandy's done, AFAIK...apparently, this was the last straw for Charles and had been building for a long time.

I never really hit it off with her, but I wish the best for her and her kid.

1231 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:49:46pm

re: #1228 laZardo

Gonna go build my portfolio. BBL

Gold or super hybrid seeds?
/

1232 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:50:04pm

re: #1223 talon_262

And to be sure, I don't wish Mandy or any of the other ex-Lizards any ill will (the batshit loon stalkers that actively try to make life difficult for Charles and other Lizards IRL can just suck on it, however)...

1233 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:50:13pm

re: #1227 Cannadian Club Akbar

The whole banned thing is why I relax and try to have fun here. I got into it last week with a guy I named King Douche, but he's gone. This is a place to have fun and a good debate. But then again, I don't take things personal.

Good thing you didn't see last night's pissing contest. Tonight looks tame compared to the bigotry flowing by one idiot last night.

1234 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:50:32pm

re: #1147 Stanley Sea

Repeat.

Ice has been back for what, 4 hours? And a fucking conflict is blamed on her?

I don't mean to highlight this situation, because it is a total joke, but it is AMAZING TO ME HOW QUICKLY IT FUCKING HAPPENED.

Get real.

Really, think about it. REAL.

It's an act of desperation. A lot of pent-up butthurt looking for a target, I guess.

1235 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:50:51pm

re: #1211 laZardo

"Once a man has seen it, he can't turn his back on it. The Comedian knows this...and he doesn't care."

/probably attributing it to more than one character.

Interesting quote, from more than one standpoint.

So, the Comedian is the one who makes ordinary people look at the Dark Side, knowing that once they've seen it, they can't stop looking?

That makes the Comedian very valuable. Perhaps even more valuable than the Priest.

Thank you for that thought.

1236 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:50:57pm

re: #1233 NJDhockeyfan

Good thing you didn't see last night's pissing contest. Tonight looks tame compared to the bigotry flowing by one idiot last night.

Are you talking about the Ludwig hour?

1237 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:51:24pm

re: #1177 NJDhockeyfan

Imagine you are the President. You are in charge of keeping American safe. Russia gives you this information. What do you do?


Let's see:

The United States never cited Russian intelligence when it was making its case for the war and Putin said the information did not change his country's opposition to the war.


Well that's 31 flavors of insane.

PUTIN: Saddam wants to attack you! Don't invade Iraq!

BUSH: I don't believe you! I'm invading Iraq!

In any case, the date on your report is June 2004. Do you trust Putin not to be revising history?

1238 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:51:55pm

re: #1236 JasonA

Are you talking about the Ludwig hour?

I saw he hit the bottom 10. Ya never see that. Honest.

1239 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:52:23pm

re: #1233 NJDhockeyfan

Good thing you didn't see last night's pissing contest. Tonight looks tame compared to the bigotry flowing by one idiot last night.

Talking about "Food Lion"?

Yeah, the thought is that it was Bagua's sock...

1240 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:52:35pm

re: #1238 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw he hit the bottom 10. Ya never see that. Honest.

I think that comment kind of deserved that.

1241 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:52:41pm

re: #1236 JasonA

Are you talking about the Ludwig hour?

Yeah. He was worse than usual. Everyone (except for one) told him to shut the fuck up.

1242 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:53:16pm

re: #1203 Dark_Falcon

No, honors are some times given to people even after they've fucked up. Some times you give them a medal so when they leave it won't look like they got fired.

It should look like he was fired, the bad intelligence led to war. What happened to personal responsibility? The way you describe it sounds more like a golden parachute than sacking.
Do you think it was appropriate for the former president to award that honor to the man who led the agency whose false intelligence led to war?

Here's a hint. The guy led the CIA, he probably knows where a lot of skeletons are buried. Not the kind of guy you would want as an enemy.

1243 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:53:28pm

re: #1235 Cato the Elder

Interesting quote, from more than one standpoint.

So, the Comedian is the one who makes ordinary people look at the Dark Side, knowing that once they've seen it, they can't stop looking?

That makes the Comedian very valuable. Perhaps even more valuable than the Priest.

Thank you for that thought.

A lot of comedians have pretty crappy personal lives. Is it because they look at the dark side so often, or do they already reside there and just report on it? Chicken or egg?

1244 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:53:34pm

Things should get fun around here in say, November.

1245 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:53:37pm

re: #1241 NJDhockeyfan

Yeah. He was worse than usual. Everyone (except for one) told him to shut the fuck up.

I wasn't around for that. And yeah, he should not have went there.

1246 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:53:39pm

re: #1241 NJDhockeyfan

Yeah. He was worse than usual. Everyone (except for one) told him to shut the fuck up.

Who was that?

1247 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:53:45pm

re: #1239 talon_262

My bad, that was the night before, in the aftermath of Mandy's departure...Ludwig was having more than his recommended daily allowance of Cranky Flakes last night.

1248 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:54:19pm

re: #1239 talon_262

Talking about "Food Lion"?

Yeah, the thought is that it was Bagua's sock...

I think that one was 2 nights ago. That troll was insane.

1249 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:54:30pm

re: #1243 tnguitarist

A lot of comedians have pretty crappy personal lives. Is it because they look at the dark side so often, or do they already reside there and just report on it? Chicken or egg?

See: Andy Kaufman

1250 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:54:38pm

Man, I miss all the fun.

1251 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:54:59pm

re: #1244 Cannadian Club Akbar

Things should get fun around here in say, November.

I'm already working on a bomb-shelter/zombie-proof stockade. Want that I should save you a spot?

1252 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:55:02pm

re: #1246 Gus 802

Who was that?

Correction... two.

1253 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:55:11pm

re: #1243 tnguitarist

A lot of comedians have pretty crappy personal lives. Is it because they look at the dark side so often, or do they already reside there and just report on it? Chicken or egg?

Long-lived comics, the former. Short-lived ones, the latter.

Short version, but valid.

1254 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:55:12pm

re: #1229 researchok

I still can't figure out why you are an idiot magnet.

For the life of me, if anyone should be on your political shit list, it would be me. Needless to say, that isn't the case in any way. Just the opposite, really. It's like that for me with Obdi, too.

Ice is off to bed now - as am I - finally - but she says thanks for your comment and she'll reply in the morning - it made her feel better. She's a big fan of yours; actually we both enjoy your contributions on the pages and fair minded comments on the threads - and - gosh - you're a conservative. I guess we must have ran out of our 'blind partisan hatred' when we got to you;-)

1255 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:55:26pm

re: #1250 Cannadian Club Akbar

Man, I miss all the fun.

Be glad you did...it would shot your blood pressure sky high.

1256 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:55:46pm

I'm going to sign off and go to bed. Goodnight, all.

1257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:55:47pm

re: #1251 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm already working on a bomb-shelter/zombie-proof stockade. Want that I should save you a spot?

I'll bring booze.

1258 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:56:07pm

re: #1248 NJDhockeyfan

I think that one was 2 nights ago. That troll was insane.

That troll was pathetic, which most socks of stalkers are. Sorry, but if being banned from this site is the only major event in your life, then you need to seek professional help.

1259 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:56:18pm

re: #1253 Cato the Elder

Long-lived comics, the former. Short-lived ones, the latter.

Short version, but valid.

Hicks and Kaufmann immediately spring to mind...

1260 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:56:29pm

re: #1255 talon_262

Be glad you did...it would shot your blood pressure sky high.

If there is a flame war, I usually just lurk.

1261 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:56:57pm

re: #1251 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm already working on a bomb-shelter/zombie-proof stockade. Want that I should save you a spot?

No stockade needed. Ya gotta stay on the move when it comes to those fucking zombies.

1262 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:57:17pm

re: #1260 Cannadian Club Akbar

If there is a flame war, I usually just lurk.

The last couple of nights have been rough around here at times...

1263 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:57:25pm

re: #1252 Walter L. Newton

Correction... two.

Yeah. I was one of the two. Sorry, see, after having a serious infection or boil for the past two weeks and having abstained from booze for almost 4 weeks I decided to drink last night. This was at the same time I was dealing with my chronic neck pain. It's really selfish of me to have not gone out of my way to join in on the group think when I was feeling fine after weeks of pain and agony.

1264 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:57:28pm

re: #1259 JasonA

Hicks and Kaufmann immediately spring to mind...

I was just about to say Hicks.

1265 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:57:33pm

re: #1254 Jimmah

Ice is off to bed now - as am I - finally - but she says thanks for your comment and she'll reply in the morning - it made her feel better. She's a big fan of yours; actually we both enjoy your contributions on the pages and fair minded comments on the threads - and - gosh - you're a conservative. I guess we must have ran out of our 'blind partisan hatred' when we got to you;-)

Sure, go ahead, be reasonable. See if I care.

//

Thanks, guys.

1266 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:57:38pm

What a trip.

1267 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:58:11pm

re: #1261 tnguitarist

No stockade needed. Ya gotta stay on the move when it comes to those fucking zombies.

Nah, just wait until the first snow fall, then go out and restock while they're frozen into statues. Burn more energy and resources on the run than you do staying in a well-fortified position.

1268 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:58:29pm

re: #1263 Gus 802

Yeah. I was one of the two. Sorry, see, after having a serious infection or boil for the past two weeks and having abstained from booze for almost 4 weeks I decided to drink last night. This was at the same time I was dealing with my chronic neck pain. It's really selfish of me to have not gone out of my way to join in on the group think when I was feeling fine after weeks of pain and agony.

I never suggested that Gus... you stayed out of it... fine... Darthstar had his own opinion on the whole thing... that's what I meant by two.

1269 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:59:09pm

re: #1268 Walter L. Newton

I never suggested that Gus... you stayed out of it... fine... Darthstar had his own opinion on the whole thing... that's what I meant by two.

OK, OK. I'm being jumpy then.

I'm not paranoid!! ;)

1270 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:59:21pm

re: #1267 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nah, just wait until the first snow fall, then go out and restock while they're frozen into statues. Burn more energy and resources on the run than you do staying in a well-fortified position.

No one said there would be snow. I'll get extra booze.

1271 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 9:59:52pm

re: #1269 Gus 802

OK, OK. I'm being jumpy then.

I'm not paranoid!! ;)

You should be.

You should be....

/

1272 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:00:17pm

re: #1269 Gus 802

OK, OK. I'm being jumpy then.

I'm not paranoid!! ;)

You asked "who was that" and I suspect you were wonder if the comment was made in regards to you, and I knew it wasn't, I wanted that clarified... that's all.

1273 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:00:20pm

I can think of three folks that I've had disagreements with in the last few days. We went at each other pretty good, but we never downdinged and it never went over the top.

1274 Gus  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:00:33pm

re: #1271 JasonA

You should be.

You should be...

/

People are watching me! There's helicopter outside my window!

1275 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:00:47pm

Mandy banned herself by getting carried away with what she thought was a legitimate argument about immigrants near her home but was actually an openly racist diatribe. Charles maybe could have let it slide out of difference to her standing as a longtime regular poster here, but then he wouldn't have been upholding the principals he has stated over and over again in the last couple of years.

If he hadn't banned her there would have been a lot of questioning as to why others were banned for similar offenses and why she got a pass.

1276 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:00:52pm

re: #1273 tnguitarist

I can think of three folks that I've had disagreements with in the last few days. We went at each other pretty good, but we never downdinged and it never went over the top.

Boooring.

1277 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:00:53pm

re: #1269 Gus 802

OK, OK. I'm being jumpy then.

I'm not paranoid!! ;)

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...

///

1278 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:01:00pm

This is getting boring now... to bed...

1279 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:01:37pm

re: #1275 ausador

Mandy banned herself by getting carried away with what she thought was a legitimate argument about immigrants near her home but was actually an openly racist diatribe. Charles maybe could have let it slide out of difference to her standing as a longtime regular poster here, but then he wouldn't have been upholding the principals he has stated over and over again in the last couple of years.

If he hadn't banned her there would have been a lot of questioning as to why others were banned for similar offenses and why she got a pass.

He readily admitted that she had gotten such passes in the past.

1280 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:01:42pm

re: #1203 Dark_Falcon

No, honors are some times given to people even after they've fucked up. Some times you give them a medal so when they leave it won't look like they got fired.

If he wants to give somebody an "honorable out" from their job, he can just accept their resignation instead of firing them. They can talk about wanting to spend more time with their family, throw in a couple of arm-around-the-guy photo ops.

The Presidential Medal of Freedom is given at the sole discretion of the President, but it's supposed to mean something. It's kind of a big deal It's not handed out to every functionary for whom you want to cover their ass. Otherwise they'd be giving out hundreds every year.

But even if Bush still believed that there were WMD's in 2004, why haven't we heard an outcry from his supporters to identify whoever was responsible for screwing up the intelligence, and/or to reform the agency? In no other respect have I seen an instance where somebody damaged Bush so much and the right wing was silent, sitting on their hands and declining to call for at least one scapegoat. The fact that Bush's apologists aren't braying for CIA blood just proves to me that they know damn well he was complicit in the lies.

LEFT: Bush lied!

RIGHT: No, somebody else lied to him.

LEFT: Who?

RIGHT: Ah, who cares? Let's let bygones be bygones.

LEFT: Since when have you ever done that?

RIGHT: Err, I don't want to talk about it.

It makes no goddamn sense. None. Whatsoever.

1281 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:02:20pm

re: #1276 JasonA

Boooring.

I know. There is enough drama in the world. I don't need digital drama.

1282 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:02:26pm

"The slower you think you think, the better your writing."

Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

And that is my pronunciamento for tonight. Leave tips for me with Charles.

1283 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:02:55pm

re: #1227 Cannadian Club Akbar

The whole banned thing is why I relax and try to have fun here. I got into it last week with a guy I named King Douche, but he's gone. This is a place to have fun and a good debate. But then again, I don't take things personal.

Things don't bother me much because I'm rich, good-looking, and smarter than almost everyone else here - possibly everyone. Think about that, everyone, next time you want to talk some shit to me - I'm better than you, no matter how much it pisses you off.

1284 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:03:30pm

My new favorite show on TV is Covert Affairs on USA. That girl is smoking hot.

1285 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:03:35pm

re: #1270 Cannadian Club Akbar

No one said there would be snow. I'll get extra booze.

Well, no snow this weekend, at least. If we here in VA Beach roll snake eyes, we're gonna have Earl beating down our doors by either Thursday night or Friday morning. Even if we don't get directly whacked, we're looking at hurricane-force winds and possibly some heavy rain.

My mom was just pointing out today that we here in VA are "due" for a big one. And a Cat 4, at least in my opinion, rates pretty high on "OH FRAK!"-o-meter.

1286 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:03:52pm

re: #1275 ausador

Mandy banned herself by getting carried away with what she thought was a legitimate argument about immigrants near her home but was actually an openly racist diatribe. Charles maybe could have let it slide out of difference to her standing as a longtime regular poster here, but then he wouldn't have been upholding the principals he has stated over and over again in the last couple of years.

If he hadn't banned her there would have been a lot of questioning as to why others were banned for similar offenses and why she got a pass.

Which, if I'm not mistaken, has been brought up before when a long-timer had said stuff that would have gotten a newbie the stick post-haste...hence, Charles let her pay out as much rope as she wanted until she hung herself.

1287 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:04:11pm

re: #1283 cliffster

Things don't bother me much because I'm rich, good-looking, and smarter than almost everyone else here - possibly everyone. Think about that, everyone, next time you want to talk some shit to me - I'm better than you, no matter how much it pisses you off.

You win the pot. And the money.
/

1288 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:04:31pm

re: #1260 Cannadian Club Akbar

If there is a flame war, I usually just lurk.

Yea... I got that shit out of my system back 15 years ago on Usenet and AOL.

1289 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:04:35pm

re: #1287 Cannadian Club Akbar

You win the pot. And the money.
/

I bet he has an ugly wife, though.

///

1290 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:05:24pm

re: #1285 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You'll get wind and rain, but no hit. But remember, fill the tank in the car and have cash on hand.

1291 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:06:52pm

re: #1288 Mr Pancakes

Yea... I got that shit out of my system back 15 years ago on Usenet and AOL.

Life's too fucking short to get apoplectic over stuff that, in the end, ain't shit to get that strung up over...if it gets too hot in here on a thread, I'l just call it a night and hope it's blown over later.

1292 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:06:54pm

re: #1289 JasonA

I bet he has an ugly wife, though.

///

if you saw my wife, and then saw me, you'd just shake your head. "what.. the.. fuck.."

1293 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:07:24pm

re: #1289 JasonA

I bet he has an ugly wife, though.

///

She walks with a limp because she only has on one shoe.
///

1294 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:07:31pm

re: #1165 iceweasel

When people try to blame other posters here for some asshole being banned and winding up at the stalker site, what they're also really doing is blaming Charles for banning them.

It's really unbelievable to me that this goes on. Even when the fucktard shows up over at 2.0, you'll still find people here claiming they were 'run off' the site.

Yeah. They were 'baited' into being bigots, assholes, misogynists, whatever. That's it. /

I think that most of the people here can stand holding their own against everybody else at the same time without crossing Charles' lines. I know I've done it, and I'm just a short-timer. Frankly, that ability is a lot of what makes the debate here so good. Everybody I argue with I know would be giving the same argument even if everybody else was piling on against them. I try to uphold that as well. Everyone here, whatever I think of them in the moment, means what they say and is willing to defend it to the hilt. What more could anyone ask from a political debate community?

1295 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:07:34pm

re: #1292 cliffster

if you saw my wife, and then saw me, you'd just shake your head. "what.. the.. fuck.."

Wow. You're that good-looking?

1296 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:07:46pm

re: #1290 Cannadian Club Akbar

You'll get wind and rain, but no hit. But remember, fill the tank in the car and have cash on hand.

And if worse comes to worse, find the nearest TV camera and whine that Obama hates white people.

///

Seriously, I'm not worried right now. The chances of Earl giving us more than a glancing blow are slim, so I'm preparing to just hunker down with a few DVDs, a good book, and plenty of hot chocolate.

1297 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:08:25pm

re: #1296 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And if worse comes to worse, find the nearest TV camera and whine that Obama hates white people.

///

Seriously, I'm not worried right now. The chances of Earl giving us more than a glancing blow are slim, so I'm preparing to just hunker down with a few DVDs, a good book, and plenty of hot chocolate.

Where are you, TP?

1298 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:09:30pm

re: #1292 cliffster

if you saw my wife, and then saw me, you'd just shake your head. "what.. the.. fuck.."

Same here. I'm a lucky bastard. I actually had a guy ask me once,"How did you get a chick like that?!?".

I said, "Learn to play guitar".

1299 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:09:52pm

re: #1297 JasonA

Where are you, TP?

Virginia Beach, 'bout 20 minutes drive from the beachfront. I'm actually secretly hoping that Earl makes things interesting this weekend, if only to see an early retreat of all the tourists. *grumblemuttergrumble*

1300 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:10:00pm

re: #1295 JasonA

Wow. You're that good-looking?

No, she's that ugly.

[Link: cellar.org...]

what.. the.. fuck..

1301 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:10:30pm

re: #1300 elbruce

No, she's that ugly.

[Link: cellar.org...]

what.. the.. fuck..

GAH! Did somebody open the Ark of the Covenant?!

1302 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:10:47pm

re: #1289 JasonA

I bet he has an ugly wife, though.

///

If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
Never make a pretty woman your wife,
If you want my personal point of view,
Get an ugly girl to marry you...

1303 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:10:51pm

re: #1298 tnguitarist

Same here. I'm a lucky bastard. I actually had a guy ask me once,"How did you get a chick like that?!?".

I said, "Learn to play guitar".

I can't play guitar, but I'm funny.

1304 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:10:53pm

re: #1283 cliffster

Things don't bother me much because I'm rich, good-looking, and smarter than almost everyone else here - possibly everyone. Think about that, everyone, next time you want to talk some shit to me - I'm better than you, no matter how much it pisses you off.

Mac Davis must've sung this song just for you:

Youtube Video

;-P

1305 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:11:00pm

re: #1292 cliffster

if you saw my wife, and then saw me, you'd just shake your head. "what.. the.. fuck.."

When I worked at Lowes in Staunton, Va I saw that daily, a beautiful woman dressed very nice pushing a baby carriage and behind her a smelly guy with oily hair wearing dirty clothes with holes in it following her through the store.

1306 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:11:01pm

re: #1295 JasonA

Wow. You're that good-looking?

she's out of my league on her worst day. if you saw a pic of her crawling out of bed early in the morning after a late night of drinking, you'd say, "wtf is she doing with that asshole?". I chalk it up to - assholes win.

1307 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:11:37pm

re: #1300 elbruce

No, she's that ugly.

[Link: cellar.org...]

what.. the.. fuck..

Not enough beer in Holland...

1308 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:11:41pm

re: #1301 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

GAH! Did somebody open the Ark of the Covenant?!

That one tooth is kinda sexy.

1309 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:12:16pm

re: #1308 Cannadian Club Akbar

That one tooth is kinda sexy.

Must...not...downding...

/

1310 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:12:26pm

re: #1300 elbruce

No, she's that ugly.

[Link: cellar.org...]

what.. the.. fuck..

watch it buddy, ain't nobody above an ass-whipping

1311 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:12:27pm

re: #1306 cliffster

she's out of my league on her worst day. if you saw a pic of her crawling out of bed early in the morning after a late night of drinking, you'd say, "wtf is she doing with that asshole?". I chalk it up to - assholes win.

Dude, who do you think took that pic?

/

1312 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:12:39pm

re: #1308 Cannadian Club Akbar

That one tooth is kinda sexy.

Must be the one that's missing...

1313 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:13:14pm

re: #1312 talon_262

Must be the one that's missing...

It's in her pocket.

1314 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:14:25pm

I just laughed so hard, I think I broke a rib. Either that or my liver is shutting down.
/

1315 cliffster  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:14:54pm

re: #1311 JasonA

Dude, who do you think took that pic?

I was wondering why I didn't see you at your mom's house that night.

1316 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:15:14pm

re: #1294 elbruce

I think that most of the people here can stand holding their own against everybody else at the same time without crossing Charles' lines. I know I've done it, and I'm just a short-timer. Frankly, that ability is a lot of what makes the debate here so good. Everybody I argue with I know would be giving the same argument even if everybody else was piling on against them. I try to uphold that as well. Everyone here, whatever I think of them in the moment, means what they say and is willing to defend it to the hilt. What more could anyone ask from a political debate community?

I enjoy debating you on here. I didn't think you would last at first but you know how to carry on a debate without throwing out personal insults. That's how it's supposed to work here. There are a few who don't know how to keep from stepping over the line. You saw that last night.

BTW, you are still wrong.
/

1317 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:16:03pm

re: #1314 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just laughed so hard, I think I broke a rib. Either that or my liver is shutting down.
/

Your pancreas is staging a revolt...

1318 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:16:13pm

re: #1314 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just laughed so hard, I think I broke a rib. Either that or my liver is shutting down.
/

Well, there's no helping it. It's been decided that, since you're already almost dead, we'll be helping ourselves to the rest of your viable organs. Now just sign here...here...initial here...and we'll get started.

/

1319 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:17:12pm

Good night stalkers, blockers and rockers.

1320 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:17:15pm

re: #1303 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can't play guitar, but I'm funny.

....and I'm funny as hell. I have to be. I'm that ugly.

1321 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:18:14pm

re: #1318 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, there's no helping it. It's been decided that, since you're already almost dead, we'll be helping ourselves to the rest of your viable organs. Now just sign here...here...initial here...and we'll get started.

/

You don't want my left eye. Trust me.

1322 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:19:33pm

re: #1321 Cannadian Club Akbar

You don't want my left eye. Trust me.

Glass?

1323 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:20:26pm

re: #1322 tnguitarist

Glass?

Cue ball. Waiting for Obama care.
/

1324 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:21:19pm

OK. Going to the new thread to FIGHT!!!
/

1325 sagehen  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:22:27pm

re: #1177 NJDhockeyfan

Imagine you are the President. You are in charge of keeping American safe. Russia gives you this information. What do you do?


"Trust", but verify.

I mean, really. Who takes Putin at his word? Who thinks you can look in his eyes and see his soul?

1326 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:32:23pm

As the grandson of a pair of illegal immigrants from Spain who snuck into the country from Cuba I'm a bit miffed by this whole "real American" movement. So effing what? You can trace your lineage back what, 4 or 5 generations, 6 maybe? The families of the very first settlers here can only claim 9-10 generations, this entire country is nothing but immigrants, except for the Native Americans and even they only came across the Bering land bridge about 10,000 years ago /.

Immigrants are the ones who built this country, now as the population is aging and we lack enough younger workers to pay for the retiring peoples Medicare and social security we want to slam the door and keep them out? Who the eff came up with that suicidal idea?

We NEED immigration, not just for their payments into social security but also for the fresh blood and fresh ideas. This idiocy that is being promoted now of "protecting our turf" is just that, Idiocy. Let's hope that wiser minds, or at least the Constitution prevails.

1327 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 10:52:20pm

re: #1275 ausador

Mandy banned herself by getting carried away with what she thought was a legitimate argument about immigrants near her home but was actually an openly racist diatribe. Charles maybe could have let it slide out of difference to her standing as a longtime regular poster here, but then he wouldn't have been upholding the principals he has stated over and over again in the last couple of years.

If he hadn't banned her there would have been a lot of questioning as to why others were banned for similar offenses and why she got a pass.

I didn't note that she said anything about immigrants in TN except to argue that they had been welcomed by the locals.

1328 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 11:08:00pm

re: #1326 ausador

As the grandson of a pair of illegal immigrants from Spain who snuck into the country from Cuba I'm a bit miffed by this whole "real American" movement. So effing what? You can trace your lineage back what, 4 or 5 generations, 6 maybe?

No no no, "Real America" is only based on geography. If you live in Detroit, Chicago, California or most of New England you're not a "Real American." If you live in New York, you're only a "Real American" depending on whether 9/11 can currently be used to evict some other supposed Americans. The rest of the time, you're out. Alaska is in, Hawaii is out. For most of the rest of the country it depends on how they voted last. For example, the Northeast is generally "unreal" and especially Massachussetts, except for when they elected Scott Brown, which automatically flipped them back into the "Real America" column... for now.

Think of one of those old 70's disco floors with various sections blinking on and off. Except based on who looks like you and/or agrees with you. That's what Palin's "Real America" looks like.

But it's got nothing to do with race. *rolleyes*

1329 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 11:12:04pm

re: #1095 Cannadian Club Akbar

Beneath the Veil. Saria Shah. Love her.

Thanks, that's the correct title. Interview transcript:
Journalist Saira Shah: Life in Afghanistan under the Taliban
August 27, 2001

1330 boredtechindenver  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 11:15:55pm

I prefer Sarah Shahi.

1331 elbruce  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 12:13:38am

re: #1326 ausador

Immigrants are the ones who built this country, now as the population is aging and we lack enough younger workers to pay for the retiring peoples Medicare and social security we want to slam the door and keep them out? Who the eff came up with that suicidal idea?

We NEED immigration, not just for their payments into social security but also for the fresh blood and fresh ideas. This idiocy that is being promoted now of "protecting our turf" is just that, Idiocy. Let's hope that wiser minds, or at least the Constitution prevails.

Even without generational transfer payment systems, we'd still need to replace the aging baby boomers just to prevent a massive backslide in GDP. The population is in decline; we need an influx from the outside. It's pretty simple math.

But even without the economic impact, we just need the fresh blood. Every past wave of immigration has led to an explosion in societal and cultural development here.

1332 prairiefire  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:18:15am

re: #1076 elbruce

Here's how it worked:

Bush to Congress: "Saddam is making WMD's! I know it, but the details are classified. Trust me!"
Congress: "OK."

Bush to the United Nations: "Saddam is making WMD's! I know it, but the details are classified. Trust me!"
The United Nations: "OK."

Bush to our allies: "Saddam is making WMD's! I know it, but the details are classified. Trust me!"
Our allies: "OK."

Bush to the American people: "Saddam is making WMD's! I know it, but the details are classified. Trust me!"
The American people: "OK."

When we point fingers at that guy for lying, you hardly get to point fingers at all the people he lied to as if that somehow makes it even.

But go ahead and gimme some quotes, if you want to push the meme that it was Congressional Democrats who were claiming special knowledge of a WMD program beyond "the Bush administration told me and I trust them."

Hell, even I believed him at the time. It was inconceivable to me that any President would lie about something like that. Nixon wouldn't have lied about something like that! So when he gave us that alarming information, I just assumed that he had secret spy photos of WMD sites that he couldn't make public or else Saddam would be able to use those images to figure out what spy must have taken those photos. Hell, that's what I told people must have been the case. Something like that.

Nope. It was all a bunch of lies.

But he was my President and no President of the United States would lie about something that important, so I believed him. Does that make it my fault too?

Fantastic post.


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