GOP Blocks START Treaty, But Eager to Tackle the NPR Problem

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One of the most urgent orders of business among the House’s newly dominant Republicans: taking revenge on NPR, an idea that comes straight from the Tea Party base.

House Republicans announced Wednesday they plan to force a floor vote on defunding NPR in response to the firing of analyst Juan Williams last month.

House GOP Whip Eric Cantor (Va.) and Rep. Doug Lamborn (Colo.) said that cutting funds to the publicly subsidized news organization was the winner of the conference’s weekly “YouCut” contest, in which the public votes online on spending items they want eliminated.

“When NPR executives made the decision to unfairly terminate Juan Williams and to then disparage him afterwards, the bias of their organization was exposed,” the two Republicans said in a statement. “Make no mistake, it is not the role of government to tell news organizations how to operate. What is avoidable, however, is providing taxpayer funds to news organizations that promote a partisan point of view. Eliminating taxpayer funding for NPR is precisely the kind of commonsense cut that we have to begin making if we want to fundamentally alter the way business is conducted in Washington.”

Republicans had indicated that they sought to take action against NPR after it dismissed Williams for making controversial remarks about Muslims.

NPR receives only about two percent of its funding from the federal government, which gives you an indication of how dreadfully serious this issue is for the GOP. The weirdest wingnuts are running things.

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421 comments
1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:26:07pm

you have to be f’in kidding me….

2 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:26:13pm

Well they can’t have free thinking non crazy programming that challenges Fox or promotes education now can they?

Actually they can’t. An educated populace is a threat to them. Totalitarians always attack intellectuals and things perceived as such first.

3 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:26:33pm

/well would you rather be nuked or die a slow whining death? sheesh.

4 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:27:15pm

What idiots. NPR should be held up as an example of a government-started initiative that requires very little funding and is incredibly successful in its own right.

Isn’t that, supposedly, what they want out of government? You don’t get much leaner.

5 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:27:28pm

re: #1 Dreggas

you have to be f’in kidding me…

No not at all. It is non-issue that is more light than heat, that allows them to crow all the hatreds that their base wants aired while allowing the real politics to get done by their corporate masters, out of the lime light.

It also attacks intellectualism, puffs up Fox and gives a nice little witch burning for the rubes.

6 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:29:57pm

re: #5 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh believe me, I know, it’s just the openning act of the bread and circuses routine we’ll be getting for the next two years at least.

7 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:31:12pm

OT but the right is gonna go apeshit over this:
Guantanamo Bay detainee acquitted of all but one of 285 counts

after all he was only convicted on one count.

8 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:33:17pm

On of the reasons the GOP claim they were victorious on election day was because of the state of the economy. Thus far the only solution that the GOP has put forward to fixing the economy is the now proverbial extension of the Bush tax cuts. They of course are planning to hold middle class tax cuts “hostage” unless the Bush tax cuts are extended. Other than tax cuts the GOP has made it clear that they’re back to business as usual for a party that typically immerses itself on bullshit issues like NPR funding.

9 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:33:28pm

re: #7 Dreggas

OT but the right is gonna go apeshit over this:
Guantanamo Bay detainee acquitted of all but one of 285 counts

after all he was only convicted on one count.

re: #7 Dreggas

OT but the right is gonna go apeshit over this:
Guantanamo Bay detainee acquitted of all but one of 285 counts

after all he was only convicted on one count.

what is the penalty for the one count?

10 elizajane  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:34:02pm

Oh yes, let’s solve the budget deficit by a weekly “You Cut” contest. It’ll be just like Dancing With Stars. Just as sane, just as fair, just as nuanced.

11 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:35:13pm

Oh, and the idea that Eric Cantor is “presidential material” is laughable.

12 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:35:16pm

re: #9 brookly red

Sentencing hasn’t come in yet, not sure what he’ll face. Bottom line is he wasn’t convicted of all 285 counts which proves that civilian courts aren’t tough enough to prosecute terrorists.

//

13 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:35:18pm

at this point i’m just happy that no actual government censorship of progressive views has taken place yet

instead of censorship, these days we just have MASS MORON EMPOWERMENT

14 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:35:32pm

re: #8 Gus 802

On of the reasons the GOP claim they were victorious on election day was because of the state of the economy. Thus far the only solution that the GOP has put forward to fixing the economy is the now proverbial extension of the Bush tax cuts. They of course are planning to hold middle class tax cuts “hostage” unless the Bush tax cuts are extended. Other than tax cuts the GOP has made it clear that they’re back to business as usual for a party that typically immerses itself on bullshit issues like NPR funding.

Give them a chance… look at the mess they inherited from Obama.
//

15 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:36:01pm

re: #10 elizajane

It will be the next reality tv show

(i am only half joking)

16 Enlino  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:36:16pm

Well, on the plus side they will no doubt be equally vigilant in making sure no taxpayer money goes to organizations with a conservative bent!

17 JRCMYP  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:36:41pm

As much as NPR pisses me off sometimes, I will defend them and make sure that they still exist if it’s necessary. Their coverage is extraordinary.

18 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:36:44pm

re: #16 Enlino

LOL

19 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:36:52pm

re: #13 engineer dog

at this point i’m just happy that no actual government censorship of progressive views has taken place yet

instead of censorship, these days we just have MASS MORON EMPOWERMENT

Why bother censoring? facts and data and science and research are no match against the armies of dumb

Might as well try and explain tax policy to a six year old

20 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:36:55pm

re: #10 elizajane

Oh yes, let’s solve the budget deficit by a weekly “You Cut” contest. It’ll be just like Dancing With Stars. Just as sane, just as fair, just as nuanced.

Well now wait a minute… if we need to make cuts (and we do) does it not make sense to ask people what they want cut?

21 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:37:01pm

re: #7 Dreggas

OT but the right is gonna go apeshit over this:
Guantanamo Bay detainee acquitted of all but one of 285 counts

after all he was only convicted on one count.

Ugh. The article doesn’t mention what kind of sentence he’s likely to get.

22 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:37:13pm

re: #8 Gus 802

One of the reasons… not “on”.

23 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:37:56pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was life, after all it was conspiracy involving terrorism.

24 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:38:27pm

re: #19 WindUpBird

Why bother censoring? facts and data and science and research are no match against the armies of dumb

Might as well try and explain tax policy to a six year old

might as well start… they already owe over 40 grand.

25 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:38:59pm

re: #20 brookly red

Well now wait a minute… if we need to make cuts (and we do) does it not make sense to ask people what they want cut?

yes, let’s gather around the campfire and hear what the witch doctor has to say

“Hey, crazy-eyed bearded tea-party wacko wearing an over-stretched American flag t-shirt who thinks the earth was created in seven days! Your opinion is apparently valuable, what do you think should be cut?”

26 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:39:04pm

oh good grief.

27 JRCMYP  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:39:29pm

Has anyone else been following the whole CIA/Abstract Espressionist story in the news? It really makes one wonder what happened to people who sought government positions between now and the 50s.

Modern Art Was CIA Weapon

28 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:39:41pm

re: #9 brookly red

I hate to go to Fox news but….

Ghailani faces a mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years and a possible life sentence. He will remain in custody and sentencing will take place at a future date.
29 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:39:48pm

re: #25 WindUpBird

And that guy will be under the impression NASA is about 20% of the budget, and foreign aid another 20%.

30 elizajane  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:40:08pm

re: #20 brookly red

Well now wait a minute… if we need to make cuts (and we do) does it not make sense to ask people what they want cut?

That’s what elections are for.

Asking people what individual items they want cut is government by referendum, California style (although we always seem to get what you want earmarked for a certain expenditure, rather than what you want cut—the principle, though, is the same).

Doing it not by election at all, but by an internet poll, is not government at all but a recipe for loud-voiced demagoguery and chaos.

31 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:40:22pm

re: #25 WindUpBird

yes, let’s gather around the campfire and hear what the witch doctor has to say

“Hey, crazy-eyed bearded tea-party wacko wearing an over-stretched American flag t-shirt who thinks the earth was created in seven days! Your opinion is apparently valuable, what do you think should be cut?”

did you forget your meds again?

32 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:41:45pm

re: #29 Obdicut

And that guy will be under the impression NASA is about 20% of the budget, and foreign aid another 20%.

4% to Reagan’s army of imaginary phantom Cadillac driving black welfare queens

33 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:41:48pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

I hate to go to Fox news but…

so in other words, he is fucked?

34 JRCMYP  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:42:18pm

re: #30 elizajane

That’s what elections are for.

Asking people what individual items they want cut is government by referendum, California style (although we always seem to get what you want earmarked for a certain expenditure, rather than what you want cut—the principle, though, is the same).

Doing it not by election at all, but by an internet poll, is not government at all but a recipe for loud-voiced demagoguery and chaos.

And you want gahlumping DWTS style? /

35 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:42:32pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

I hate to go to Fox news but…

Go Fox “news” the man is facing 25 to life after being convicted of one charge, and Fox calls him acquitted and claims its a blow to the government.

I hate Fox. They are a lying cancer on the brain of America.

36 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:42:42pm

re: #31 brookly red

did you forget your meds again?

You really should hone your humor skills

37 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:44:45pm

Moronhood Is Powerful


i’m thinking of printing up bumperstickers for the new era

38 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:44:50pm

re: #36 WindUpBird

You really should hone your humor skills

hit a nerve huh?

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:45:05pm

re: #17 JRCMYP

As much as NPR pisses me off sometimes, I will defend them and make sure that they still exist if it’s necessary. Their coverage is extraordinary.

I’m glad NPR exists, but I’m too spoiled by high energy comedy radio to be able to listen :D

40 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:45:40pm

who’s gonna start the argument that NPR is non-partisan?….step up!

41 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:46:17pm

re: #29 Obdicut

And that guy will be under the impression NASA is about 20% of the budget, and foreign aid another 20%.

34 WARSHIPS!

42 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:46:52pm

re: #35 LudwigVanQuixote

Like I said, forget he was convicted and faces 25 to life, he wasn’t convicted on all 285 and won’t be facing life to infinity.

43 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:47:01pm

re: #40 albusteve

who’s gonna start the argument that NPR is non-partisan?…step up!

the end justifies the means…

44 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:47:04pm

re: #40 albusteve

who’s gonna start the argument that NPR is non-partisan?…step up!

I’d rather argue why the GOP thinks getting revenge on NPR is more important than the S.T.A.R.T.

45 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:47:59pm

re: #42 Dreggas

Like I said, forget he was convicted and faces 25 to life, he wasn’t convicted on all 285 and won’t be facing life to infinity.

For the GOP base, and the Fox base in particular, they are pissed he wasn’t sentenced to be killed in some gruesome medieval way. We were too soft on him and all.

46 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:48:41pm

re: #40 albusteve

who’s gonna start the argument that NPR is non-partisan?…step up!

why should it be?

47 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:48:42pm

re: #44 Varek Raith

I’d rather argue why the GOP thinks getting revenge on NPR is more important than the S.T.A.R.T.

Well they killed START or at least are going to try to. Now they can move on to other things.

Fuckwads.

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:48:52pm

re: #37 engineer dog

Moronhood Is Powerful

i’m thinking of printing up bumperstickers for the new era

Beware of the Secret Muslim Government Cabal They’re Going To Paint The White House Black Hide your Gold and your Guns God Bless

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:49:24pm

re: #41 Varek Raith

34 WARSHIPS!

I heard it costs the taxpayers $500,000 every time Obama lights up a cigarette

50 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:49:30pm

re: #44 Varek Raith

I’d rather argue why the GOP thinks getting revenge on NPR is more important than the S.T.A.R.T.

I don’t think they necessarily do….try to keep an open mind when reading hysterical, frothing comments from your fellow travelers

51 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:49:40pm

re: #47 LudwigVanQuixote

Well they killed START or at least are going to try to. Now they can move on to other things.

Fuckwads.

Don’t worry. The GOP will begin scrutinizing farm subsidies any day now.

//

52 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:49:44pm

re: #47 LudwigVanQuixote

Well they killed START or at least are going to try to. Now they can move on to other things.

Fuckwads.

Like decriminalizing rape! Maybe that’ll be the next thing on their agenda

53 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:49:48pm

re: #48 WindUpBird

Beware of the Secret Muslim Government Cabal They’re Going To Paint The White House Black Hide your Gold and your Guns God Bless

can you at least try decaf?

54 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:49:54pm

re: #44 Varek Raith

I’d rather argue why the GOP thinks getting revenge on NPR is more important than the S.T.A.R.T.

SHUSH!!!!!

where are your priorities?, commie!!!!!

/

55 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:50:27pm

re: #52 WindUpBird

Like decriminalizing rape! Maybe that’ll be the next thing on their agenda

only if Citizens United asks.

56 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:50:40pm

re: #50 albusteve

I don’t think they necessarily do…try to keep an open mind when reading hysterical, frothing comments from your fellow travelers

Oh, the GOP in congress don’t think it’s more important to THEMSELVES, they think it’s more important to the people who voted for them. :)

57 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:51:35pm

re: #46 engineer dog

why should it be?

because it will become like Fox if not?….really suppose the feds should use public money to advance one agenda over another?…I don’t believe you

58 theheat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:51:42pm

re: #27 JRCMYP

“We wanted to unite all the people who were writers, who were musicians, who were artists, to demonstrate that the West and the United States was devoted to freedom of expression and to intellectual achievement, without any rigid barriers as to what you must write, and what you must say, and what you must do, and what you must paint, which was what was going on in the Soviet Union. I think it was the most important division that the agency had, and I think that it played an enormous role in the Cold War.”


What an interesting article. If you look at American art of the period and post war/50s/60s Soviet and Cuban art, you’ll see the American art was actually much less political and freeform, which is probably why it was considered junk. Then, as the cold war amped up, the communist art actually emulated a lot of pre- and WWII art. Kind of funny then the communist art styles became so sourced in the 80s and 90s by American artists.

59 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:52:19pm

NPR receives a small percentage of its funding directly from the federal government. But there are many back doors. A good portion of NPR funding comes ultimately from the federal government. For instance, a station may be given a grant to carry public-interest programming. NPR content qualifies. Check.

NPR content is generally high quality, but it does tend to the left in its outlook, and if the federal government didn’t have many spigots flowing into many pots of money that then can spill into NPR’s coffers, NPR would have a lot less to spend.

That 2 percent figure is true but only technically. NPR does get substantial support from contributions from its viewers, but not the other 98%.

60 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:52:23pm

re: #55 wozzablog

only if Citizens United asks.

We’ve discovered that our base really likes Christmas, and really hates wars waged on same, so we’ve passed legislation mandating Christmas every month of the year!

61 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:52:26pm

re: #49 WindUpBird

I heard it costs the taxpayers $500,000 every time Obama lights up a cigarette

LOL!

62 thejcube  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:52:26pm

It’s just so goddam comforting to know that the GOP is taking care of such “important” issues.

63 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:52:36pm

re: #35 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeeah, if they can get 50 years I wouldn’t complain. Life would be better.

64 elizajane  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:52:55pm

Oh, and by the way Eric and Doug, if this YouCut contest is weekly, what have the other winners been? Why aren’t you bringing those things up for a floor vote?

Might they upset your lobbyist friends? Your big donors?

Thought so.

Just do the easy thing. That’s the Republican way.

65 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:53:10pm

re: #60 WindUpBird

It might stimulate the economy.

//

66 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:54:07pm

re: #57 albusteve

because it will become like Fox if not?…really suppose the feds should use public money to advance one agenda over another?…I don’t believe you

You’re right, there are probably no shows on NPR that are stridently socially conservative.

You know what? That makes me very happy.

67 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:54:09pm

re: #64 elizajane

IIRC some on the left were freeping it so that cuts the GOP would never consider (like cuts in defense spending) were at the top but they were never announced…go figure.

68 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:54:12pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Yeeah, if they can get 50 years I wouldn’t complain. Life would be better.

and toss the key…no appeal or good time

69 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:55:08pm

OMG! Here’s the NPR station in Cantor’s district: WCVE!!ty Look at how liberal they are! Eleventy! They even have locally produced gardening shows!

/

70 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:55:14pm

I heard that Obama bought fifty Bentleys for each of his 34 warships

71 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:55:42pm

re: #59 lostlakehiker

Please back up your assertions.

72 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:55:51pm

re: #69 Gus 802

OMG! Here’s the NPR station in Cantor’s district: WCVE!!ty Look at how liberal they are! Eleventy! They even have locally produced gardening shows!

/

Those goddamn queers, don’t they understand only commies garden, and real American food comes from Applebees? :D

73 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:56:11pm

re: #70 WindUpBird

yeah, can’t wait for investigations into all of his “bling”.

74 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:56:23pm

forgot to add the // to my 73

75 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:56:38pm

re: #66 WindUpBird

You’re right, there are probably no shows on NPR that are stridently socially conservative.

You know what? That makes me very happy.

yeah but that all lesbian female single empowerment hour sponsored by the “useful resources for hemp seeds ltd” is killer diller leftwing fodder……………

76 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:56:56pm

Sheesh.
I don’t care about NPR funding.
We’ve got more important things to be doing.

77 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:57:19pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

Of course we do….look over there ACORN!

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:57:27pm

re: #75 wozzablog

yeah but that all lesbian female single empowerment hour sponsored by the “useful resources for hemp seeds ltd” is killer diller leftwing fodder…

They’re pushing the gay agenda!

We need to hear both sides!

79 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:57:33pm

re: #72 WindUpBird

Those goddamn queers, don’t they understand only commies garden, and real American food comes from Applebees? :D

Vegetables are down right Communistic! Next thing you know you have them hippie starting up gardening communes next to our churches. Just like Stalin taught them. They’re sneaky like that.

/

80 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:57:40pm

again should probably have added the obligatory //

81 celticdragon  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:57:57pm

re: #52 WindUpBird

Like decriminalizing rape! Maybe that’ll be the next thing on their agenda

Librul sluts have it coming. Especially if they are San Fransisco lesbians.

/////

82 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:58:23pm

re: #79 Gus 802

Vegetables are down right Communistic! Next thing you know you have them hippie starting up gardening communes next to our churches. Just like Stalin taught them. They’re sneaky like that.

/

Also, they don’t wear makeup or color their hair! That means they’re bad people!

83 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:58:23pm

re: #57 albusteve

because it will become like Fox if not?…really suppose the feds should use public money to advance one agenda over another?…I don’t believe you

oh, can you show me how the feds use the money they give npr, such as it is, to advance one agenda over another?

npr itself has the right to have people express opinions on the air, like any other broadcaster

84 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:58:42pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

Sheesh.
I don’t care about NPR funding.
We’ve got more important things to be doing.

yup, but it’s good to have a faux-on in the afternoon

85 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:58:56pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

Sheesh.
I don’t care about NPR funding.
We’ve got more important things to be doing.

I take comfort in the fact that a lot of people who don’t post actually read this…

86 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:59:01pm

re: #79 Gus 802

The two most frighteningly right-wing people I know who aren’t simply moronic trolls own a small farmstand in Connecticut. Jesus Christ, they make such excellent produce. They’re sweet and wonderful people as long as they stay off politics. When they do, well, they approve of deporting all Muslims, and then bombing Muslim countries. Really.

But my god their vegetables taste delicious.

87 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:59:09pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

Sheesh.
I don’t care about NPR funding.
We’ve got more important things to be doing.

No. No we don’t.

Not even the re-emergence of the *soviet* threat is as important as the breach of contract brought about by a fox news personality. What about this don’t you get??????? I mean, dood…….. you know, stuff and junk etc

88 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:59:20pm

re: #81 celticdragon

Librul sluts have it coming. Especially if they are San Fransisco lesbians.

///

I heard Obama parked one of his 34 warships in the bay, and filled it with Miatas

The taxpayers must know!

89 celticdragon  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:59:37pm

re: #70 WindUpBird

I heard that Obama bought fifty Bentleys for each of his 34 warships

FDR actually had a presidential launch/fishing boat on his favorite heavy cruiser at Pearl Harbor. It was the USS Houston, which was lost shortly after the Battle of The Java Sea in WW II.

90 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:00:02pm

re: #83 engineer dog

oh, can you show me how the feds use the money they give npr, such as it is, to advance one agenda over another?

npr itself has the right to have people express opinions on the air, like any other broadcaster

bunch of commies says I…piss and moan all you want over it

91 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:00:56pm

re: #88 WindUpBird

I heard Obama parked one of his 34 warships in the bay, and filled it with Miatas

The taxpayers must know!

that was Kerry….keep up

92 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:01:37pm

In 2009, NPR revenues totaled $164 million, with the bulk of revenues coming from programming fees, grants, contributions and sponsorships.[14] According to the 2009 financial statement, about 40% of NPR revenues come from the fees it charges member stations to receive programming. Typically, NPR member stations raise funds through on-air pledge drives, corporate underwriting, and grants from state governments, universities, and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. In 2009, member stations derived 6% of their revenue from direct government funding, 10% of their revenue from federal funding in the form of CPB grants, and 14% of their revenue from universities.[14][15] NPR receives no direct funding from the federal government.[16] About 1.5% of NPR’s revenues come from Corporation for Public Broadcasting grants.

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:02:52pm

re: #86 Obdicut

The two most frighteningly right-wing people I know who aren’t simply moronic trolls own a small farmstand in Connecticut. Jesus Christ, they make such excellent produce. They’re sweet and wonderful people as long as they stay off politics. When they do, well, they approve of deporting all Muslims, and then bombing Muslim countries. Really.

But my god their vegetables taste delicious.

That’s so insane it wraps around and becomes adorable

Sorta like harmless nebbish socially-stunted conspiracy theorists who have meticulous files and folders and records and string connecting various photographs tacked to their walls, and they really say some vile things, but you can’t get mad at them because come on!

(we have a lot of conspiracy theorists in Portland. They have their own bar nights. We have our own crazy Art Bell/Alex Jones Portland talk host.)

94 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:03:04pm

re: #91 albusteve

that was Kerry…keep up

do you get the feeling the moon is getting full?

95 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:03:51pm

re: #94 brookly red

do you get the feeling the moon is getting full?

the hairs on my neck are erect

96 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:03:55pm
97 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:04:00pm

re: #57 albusteve

because it will become like Fox if not?…really suppose the feds should use public money to advance one agenda over another?…I don’t believe you

re: #90 albusteve

bunch of commies says I…piss and moan all you want over it


clearly, then, when the bush administration was in power and the congress was republican, “the feds” were “using public money” to advance their commie agenda

makes sense i suppose to some people

98 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:04:01pm

Fox News: Man Arrested After Punching TSA Screener in Indy
Check out the comments.

99 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:04:24pm

re: #93 WindUpBird


Yes. And it’s ignorance. They honestly believe that Muslims, all Muslims, want to destroy our society and kill us all, etc.

They can’t stand Beck, though. Because he’s a Mormon, and, well, you know about them.

Mm, I’m going to go have some of their pepper jelly. So tangy.

100 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:04:45pm

re: #95 albusteve

the hairs on my neck are erect

yeah, this is thrilling …

101 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:04:51pm

Are you ready for this folks?

WCVE-FM, the NPR station in Richmond, Virginia is owned by Commonwealth Public Broadcasting Corporation. And on the board of directors is a Mr. Richard A. Arenstein, President, Arenstein and Associates. So, I did a quick search at the FEC and found this:

ARENSTEIN, RICHARD
RICHMOND, VA 23233
SELF EMPLOYED/INVESTOR

CANTOR, ERIC
VIA CANTOR FOR CONGRESS
10/16/2002 1000.00 22992405162
09/29/2004 1000.00 24962474430

102 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:05:04pm

still waiting for those NPR assertions to be backed up…

Maybe we’ll go all Jesse Helms next! There was a real American!

103 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:05:06pm

re: #94 brookly red

do you get the feeling the moon is getting full?

Fox News… keeping the left entertained while the adults take care of the real business.

104 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:05:07pm

re: #97 engineer dog

re: #90 albusteve


clearly, then, when the bush administration was in power and the congress was republican, “the feds” were “using public money” to advance their commie agenda

makes sense i suppose to some people

yes, certainly….you are catching on

105 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:05:57pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Fox News: Man Arrested After Punching TSA Screener in Indy
Check out the comments.

Fox has no cred….probably a lie

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:06:01pm

re: #99 Obdicut

Yes. And it’s ignorance. They honestly believe that Muslims, all Muslims, want to destroy our society and kill us all, etc.

They can’t stand Beck, though. Because he’s a Mormon, and, well, you know about them.

Mm, I’m going to go have some of their pepper jelly. So tangy.

Poor Mitt Romney!

107 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:06:13pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

Fox News… keeping the left entertained while the adults take care of the real business.

hush, they will hear you…

108 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:06:19pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

Fox News… keeping the left entertained while the adults take care of the real business.

like that START treaty!

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:06:24pm

re: #40 albusteve

who’s gonna start the argument that NPR is non-partisan?…step up!

I’m not. I think they should decline the money. They don’t need it, and this crap is a waste of everyone’s time.

110 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:07:21pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not. I think they should decline the money. They don’t need it, and this crap is a waste of everyone’s time.

really good point.

111 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:07:21pm

re: #105 albusteve

No, It’s a real story. The only difference is Fox News Readers are cheering the assault on tsa employees.

112 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:07:29pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

If it’s true, expect more of it.

113 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:08:00pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Of course they are, all the while ignoring it was bush who started the “police state”.

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:08:26pm

We need more NPR shows where Mark Levin screams incoherently for a while, and then is eventually talked down by Morgan Freeman

115 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:08:42pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Are you ready for this folks?

WCVE-FM, the NPR station in Richmond, Virginia is owned by Commonwealth Public Broadcasting Corporation. And on the board of directors is a Mr. Richard A. Arenstein, President, Arenstein and Associates. So, I did a quick search at the FEC and found this:

ARENSTEIN, RICHARD
RICHMOND, VA 23233
SELF EMPLOYED/INVESTOR

CANTOR, ERIC
VIA CANTOR FOR CONGRESS
10/16/2002 1000.00 22992405162
09/29/2004 1000.00 24962474430

Talk about voting against your own self-interests…

116 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:08:43pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

Fox News… keeping the left entertained while the adults take care of the real business.

FoxNews going truther must be real entertaining.
..
.
Nope. It’s just pathetically sad.

118 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:09:04pm

re: #104 albusteve

yes, certainly…you are catching on

well, senator mccarthy, you have to help us identify these evil communists who cleverly advance their agenda by fiendishly providing 1.5% of the funding of npr

clearly, you are catching something, altho i’m not sure what…

119 JRCMYP  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:09:11pm

re: #58 theheat

What an interesting article. If you look at American art of the period and post war/50s/60s Soviet and Cuban art, you’ll see the American art was actually much less political and freeform, which is probably why it was considered junk. Then, as the cold war amped up, the communist art actually emulated a lot of pre- and WWII art. Kind of funny then the communist art styles became so sourced in the 80s and 90s by American artists.

I had no idea that the CIA was involved in promoting modernism. It shocks me in ways I can’t really express. It’s “politicalness” was it’s expression. Which was intellectual. Which the USA—apparently—was claiming. That tiny idea—that need by our government to claim intellectual expression—shocks me as a person who was born in 1967. Anti-intellectualism is rampant. It’s been so since at least the early 80s (my political memory). And I’m not saying that intellectualism is important or necessary for it’s own sake. But to think of the GOVERNMENT sponsoring intellectualism. Well. I don’t even know what to do with that. Except try to find the historiography around state-sponsored intellectual progress. Sounds like a dissertation to me folks.

120 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:09:14pm

We need to give Michelle Bachmann her own show on NPR, but allow Opie and Anthony to engineer and produce it

121 samuraishake  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:09:17pm

So, the GOP votes against a bill to keep rape illegal because it was a “political attack,” yet they blatantly put political attacks over nuclear arms treaties?

I’m at a loss for words…

122 theheat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:09:25pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

The commenters are freaked out about their junk being touched, and this is one step closer to Obama’s dream of some kind of homogenized communist police state to take away our freedoms and radiate us into complacency.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:09:28pm

re: #114 WindUpBird

We need more NPR shows where Mark Levin screams incoherently for a while, and then is eventually talked down by Morgan Freeman

“Like a Twinkie. Like a Twinkie.”

Hell, I’d listen to that, and I never listen to radio!

124 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:09:59pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

“It’s a set up”: Beck has three conspiracy theories to explain why TSA is using full-body scanners

I got only one… somebody got a contract to make them.

125 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:10:10pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

No, It’s a real story. The only difference is Fox News Readers are cheering the assault on tsa employees.

maybe he deserved it….I’m old fashioned like that and have the rap sheet to prove it….not enough info to pass judgment, but I never socked anybody that didn’t deserve it imo

126 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:11:14pm

re: #114 WindUpBird

We need more NPR shows where Mark Levin screams incoherently for a while, and then is eventually talked down by Morgan Freeman

with a Kieth Richards interview after the fireworks

127 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:11:50pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

Fox News… keeping the left entertained while the adults take care of the real business.

i think the ‘business’ your ‘adults’ are working on is to pull your social security and medicare right out from under you

or didn’t you notice that?

128 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:11:52pm

re: #26 wozzablog

oh good grief.

Charlie Brown, is that you?

(sorry, I can’t help myself)

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:11:57pm

We need an NPR show about right wing gardening, we can show you step by step how you can plant rows of American flags and apple pies and copies of See I Told You So

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:12:44pm

re: #125 albusteve

maybe he deserved it…I’m old fashioned like that and have the rap sheet to prove it…not enough info to pass judgment, but I never socked anybody that didn’t deserve it imo

“But I never punched a tourist that didn’t deserve it,
An Amish with a tude? Why that’s simply unheard of.”

131 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:12:49pm

re: #118 engineer dog

well, senator mccarthy, you have to help us identify these evil communists who cleverly advance their agenda by fiendishly providing 1.5% of the funding of npr

clearly, you are catching something, altho i’m not sure what…

clearly you have no clue as to my style….you set em up, I knock em down

132 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:13:22pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

“Like a Twinkie. Like a Twinkie.”

Hell, I’d listen to that, and I never listen to radio!

It has to be Freeman because his voice could mellow anyone out :D

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:13:32pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

“But I never punched a tourist that didn’t deserve it,
An Amish with a tude? Why that’s simply unheard of.”

Wait, I’m mixing up the original and the parody. It’s “I never punched a tourist even if he deserved it.”

134 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:13:50pm

re: #131 albusteve

clearly you have no clue as to my style…you set em up, I knock em down

well you got some back orders here…

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:13:58pm

re: #132 WindUpBird

that’s for everyone who didn’t get the like a twinkie reference :D

136 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:14:18pm

re: #118 engineer dog

well, senator mccarthy, you have to help us identify these evil communists who cleverly advance their agenda by fiendishly providing 1.5% of the funding of npr

clearly, you are catching something, altho i’m not sure what…

Steve’s playing you.
;)

138 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:15:22pm
139 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:15:28pm

re: #128 b_sharp

Charlie Brown, is that you?

(sorry, I can’t help myself)

it’s me. i am charlie brown and lucy just moved that gorram football again………………

140 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:16:46pm

so, do we really want air line security? do not dogs work well at a fraction of the price?

141 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:17:33pm

re: #139 wozzablog

it’s me. i am charlie brown and lucy just moved that gorram football again…

did you hope she would change?

142 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:18:11pm

re: #141 brookly red

did you hope she would change?

the more things change the more they stay the same.

143 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:18:52pm

re: #142 wozzablog

the more things change the more they stay the same.

can’t argue with that…

144 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:18:56pm

re: #35 LudwigVanQuixote

Go Fox “news” the man is facing 25 to life after being convicted of one charge, and Fox calls him acquitted and claims its a blow to the government.

I hate Fox. They are a lying cancer on the brain of America.

What he was NOT convicted on was the 224 counts of murder; his conviction was merely for helping plan and carry out the bombing that caused those deaths.

I think life would be appropriate.

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:19:28pm

re: #129 WindUpBird

We need an NPR show about right wing gardening, we can show you step by step how you can plant rows of American flags and apple pies and copies of See I Told You So

Shortly after 9/11, I saw an article online about how to plant ‘victory gardens’.

I was startled, not having realized that we were going to commit so much of our resources to the war on terror that people would be encouraged to grow their own food. So I clicked.

Spiffy red-white-and-blue color schemes for your fall garden!

I hated that shit. I also hated the women’s magazines recycling all their berry-tart Fourth of July crap post 9/11, as special patriot faire, and I hated the signs with the flag/shopping bags on them.

The flag is not a shopping bag, or a foot item, or a garden theme.

I also continue to hate with an admittedly irrational passion the small town somewhere in the Midwest, I think it was, that cancelled their elementary-school field trip to the pumpkin patch after 9/11 out of ‘security concerns’. I realize that these good people were just scared out of their gourds, and acting foolishly, but I am annoyed by that to this day.

However, I deeply appreciate the Masai clan that gave the United States several cattle to help make good our loss.

This has been an out-of-season, totally random commentary on things I displaced my hysteria onto in the fall of 2001.

146 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:19:56pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

Steve’s playing you.
;)

(engineer dog makes a noise like a squeezed kitten)

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:20:13pm

re: #140 brookly red

so, do we really want air line security? do not dogs work well at a fraction of the price?

I’m not arguing against the dogs. But I’m also not arguing against the machines. Or even raging against them.

148 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:20:51pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

What he was NOT convicted on was the 224 counts of murder; his conviction was merely for helping plan and carry out the bombing that caused those deaths.

I think life would be appropriate.

oh good… it’s adult time here.

149 samuraishake  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:22:50pm

re: #140 brookly red

so, do we really want air line security? do not dogs work well at a fraction of the price?

I noticed that none of the far right was complaining about airline security when Bush was in office. I think they’ve started complaining now because we’ve decided to scan everyone, and not just the brown people.

150 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:23:09pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

“It’s a set up”: Beck has three conspiracy theories to explain why TSA is using full-body scanners

Custom sized FEMA coffins? Girth measurements for the eventual body fat tax?

Eleventy!

/

151 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:23:23pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist


I also continue to hate with an admittedly irrational passion the small town somewhere in the Midwest, I think it was, that cancelled their elementary-school field trip to the pumpkin patch after 9/11 out of ‘security concerns’. I realize that these good people were just scared out of their gourds, and acting foolishly, but I am annoyed by that to this day.

You need more than one upding just for this sneaky word play.

152 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:23:24pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

I believe he should get life. However he did not kill people. If he had been convicted of the murders then you may as well convict the gun shop owner who sells a gun to someone that’s then used to commit murder.

153 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:24:21pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

cancelled their elementary-school field trip to the pumpkin patch after 9/11 out of ‘security concerns’. I realize that these good people were just scared out of their gourds

heehee.

Is it an unintentional funny, or did you put it there?

154 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:24:49pm

re: #149 samuraishake

I noticed that none of the far right was complaining about airline security when Bush was in office. I think they’ve started complaining now because we’ve decided to scan everyone, and not just the brown people.

bullshit, how would you even know?…and we never did just scan brown people

155 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:24:57pm

re: #149 samuraishake

If a republican does it it’s for the good of the country and to protect America. If it’s done when there’s a dem president it’s the sign of a police state.

156 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:25:00pm

re: #151 b_sharp

You need more than one upding just for this sneaky word play.

And I need to type faster and preview less.

157 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:25:02pm

re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not arguing against the dogs. But I’m also not arguing against the machines. Or even raging against them.

I can agree with by any means necessary… dogs, scanners, enhanced intelligence (aka profiling)… hey if you want to check me out just pull me aside and say drop em … a visual check is better than a pat down.

158 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:25:10pm

re: #152 Dreggas

I believe he should get life. However he did not kill people. If he had been convicted of the murders then you may as well convict the gun shop owner who sells a gun to someone that’s then used to commit murder.

Does not the driver of the getaway car get charged with murder if there were deaths in the commission of a crime?

159 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:25:15pm

re: #152 Dreggas

I believe he should get life. However he did not kill people. If he had been convicted of the murders then you may as well convict the gun shop owner who sells a gun to someone that’s then used to commit murder.

If the gun shop owner didn’t follow the rules and sold a gun to an unstable person - then damn sure he should have some kind of penalty.

160 samuraishake  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:25:32pm

re: #154 albusteve

bullshit, how would you even know?

How would I know what?

161 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:26:02pm

lotta zealots out tonight

162 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:26:15pm

re: #158 b_sharp

according to the article he wasn’t a getaway driver. By all means sentence him to life in prison, he was part of the conspiracy that led to murder.

163 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:26:30pm

re: #157 brookly red

I can agree with by any means necessary… dogs, scanners, enhanced intelligence (aka profiling)… hey if you want to check me out just pull me aside and say drop em … a visual check is better than a pat down.

If they want to pat me down, I would just ask for an adjustment.

164 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:27:18pm

re: #159 wozzablog

If he didn’t follow the rules, but say he did and a person legally obtained the firearm then used it to kill someone.

Look I am not saying he shouldn’t be put away for life, he should, he was part of a conspiracy that resulted in the deaths of a lot of people.

165 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:27:23pm

re: #161 albusteve

lotta zealots out tonight

I need to find away to streamline my gaze list… this engage & see thing is too slow.

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:27:32pm

re: #149 samuraishake

I noticed that none of the far right was complaining about airline security when Bush was in office. I think they’ve started complaining now because we’ve decided to scan everyone, and not just the brown people.

There was considerable bitching even from the beginning, about the lack of profiling, and hence, the searching and inconvenience of people who ‘obviously’ weren’t terrorists.

Americans are extremely resistant to airport security. And now, of course, the RWR is getting nuttier by the day.

167 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:28:27pm

re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not arguing against the dogs. But I’m also not arguing against the machines. Or even raging against them.

on this point, just let me just add:

woof

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:28:36pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

heehee.

Is it an unintentional funny, or did you put it there?

Actually, it just came out, and then I figured, ‘good one! keep it!’.

169 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:28:37pm

re: #162 Dreggas

according to the article he wasn’t a getaway driver. By all means sentence him to life in prison, he was part of the conspiracy that led to murder.

My point was that as long as he actively facilitates the crime in any way, he should be convicted of all acts of crime that occur.

170 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:28:52pm

re: #152 Dreggas

I believe he should get life. However he did not kill people. If he had been convicted of the murders then you may as well convict the gun shop owner who sells a gun to someone that’s then used to commit murder.

And … the failure to convict him on the murder charges shows that the jury also believed as you do, that he did not directly kill people.

I’m not complaining about the verdicts, they are what they are, I was not on the jury, and I won’t second guess them.

I was trying to respond to what I thought was a dismissive tone about the fact he was convicted on only one charge and was facing life for that one charge.

171 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:29:12pm

re: #167 engineer dog

on this point, just let me just add:

woof

bow wow wow mutha phucka…

172 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:29:22pm

re: #169 b_sharp

so, the gunshop owner who sold the gun is thus responsible for how it is used?

173 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:30:27pm

dogs, scanners, enhanced intelligence

speaking for the dog community, we haven’t noticed much intelligence in the first place

174 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:30:32pm

re: #172 Dreggas

so, the gunshop owner who sold the gun is thus responsible for how it is used?

And the miner who mined the ore used in the manufacture of said gun…
/

175 webevintage  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:30:41pm

re: #59 lostlakehiker

That 2 percent figure is true but only technically. NPR does get substantial support from contributions from its viewers, but not the other 98%.

I think that also may depend on where a station is located.
Small ones in more rural areas get more funding then those in cities with a large audience.

176 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:30:42pm

re: #167 engineer dog

on this point, just let me just add:

woof

Well said.

Now here’s some doggie biscuits.

177 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:30:55pm

re: #172 Dreggas

so, the gunshop owner who sold the gun is thus responsible for how it is used?

damn skippy! I get hit by a car & I am suing Toyta!

178 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:30:59pm

NPR… Ahmed Ghailani… TSA

What does it all mean?

179 samuraishake  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:30:59pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, the bitching changed tone. First it was “you’re scanning the wrong people!” Now it’s “scanning is big gubberment evil!”

180 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:31:19pm

re: #170 reine.de.tout

My bad Reine. To me it shows the courts worked, the guy is convicted. However the predictible freakout will be that he wasn’t convicted of everything and thus civilian courts are bad and Obama failed. It’s already starting on Fox according to other posters.

181 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:32:55pm

re: #179 samuraishake

apparently profiling is ok so long as it’s someone else being profiled, remember the freak out over the analysis that fringe right groups/individuals could commit acts of violence after obama was elected.

182 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:32:58pm

re: #5 LudwigVanQuixote

No not at all. It is non-issue that is more light than heat, that allows them to crow all the hatreds that their base wants aired while allowing the real politics to get done by their corporate masters, out of the lime light.

It also attacks intellectualism, puffs up Fox and gives a nice little witch burning for the rubes.

It makes me wonder why they are so afraid?
*waves to all*

183 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:33:04pm

laters.

184 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:33:21pm

re: #180 Dreggas

My bad Reine. To me it shows the courts worked, the guy is convicted. However the predictible freakout will be that he wasn’t convicted of everything and thus civilian courts are bad and Obama failed. It’s already starting on Fox according to other posters.

Yeah, looking back at the comment I was originally responding to, I think that’s what the person was trying to say, rather than being dismissive of the one charge.

If he goes away for a very very long time, I will be satisfied. And that looks like what’s going to happen.

185 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:33:24pm

re: #180 Dreggas

My bad Reine. To me it shows the courts worked, the guy is convicted. However the predictible freakout will be that he wasn’t convicted of everything and thus civilian courts are bad and Obama failed. It’s already starting on Fox according to other posters.

What is this natural fear of Fox that you hold up as some kind of badge when challenged?

186 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:33:47pm

re: #182 Floral Giraffe

It makes me wonder why they are so afraid?
*waves to all*

they have small dicks and need to act like big men to impress the momma grizzlys.

187 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:33:54pm

re: #172 Dreggas

so, the gunshop owner who sold the gun is thus responsible for how it is used?

I have no idea where that came from, it was quite the jump.

The getaway driver, or the bomb maker, who were actively involved are quite different from a gun shop owner who is at most passively involved - unless he helped plan the crime.

188 samuraishake  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:34:31pm

re: #181 Dreggas

apparently profiling is ok so long as it’s someone else being profiled, remember the freak out over the analysis that fringe right groups/individuals could commit acts of violence after obama was elected.

The funniest part was that the report was compiled while Bush was still in office. But, like everything else that started with Bush, some decided to blame it on Obama.

189 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:34:36pm

anyway, really, laters all.

190 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:34:38pm

re: #180 Dreggas

My bad Reine. To me it shows the courts worked, the guy is convicted. However the predictible freakout will be that he wasn’t convicted of everything and thus civilian courts are bad and Obama failed. It’s already starting on Fox according to other posters.

This x10! I mean, some people think that some CIA official should decide who stays in Gitmo. Quatsch. Although upon some thinking, I’m not absolutely opposed to military commissions in theory (though this stance is not fixed yet), but in practice it’s iffy - they’re probably biased.

191 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:34:52pm

re: #187 b_sharp

I have no idea where that came from, it was quite the jump.

The getaway driver, or the bomb maker, who were actively involved are quite different from a gun shop owner who is at most passively involved - unless he helped plan the crime.

This guy apparently claimed (or his attorneys did, on his behalf) that he didn’t know what the plan was.

192 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:35:59pm

re: #191 reine.de.tout

This guy apparently claimed (or his attorneys did, on his behalf) that he didn’t know what the plan was.

and the jury said?

193 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:36:03pm

re: #185 brookly red

I don’t fear Fox, I detest it. Sadly they have a lot of influence and have had it for quite a while. THey have a penchant for spreading misinformation and rather than saying the system worked, or that anything is going right they will use the lack of a conviction on all counts to once again whip their viewing audience into a frothing mob.

194 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:36:29pm

re: #185 brookly red

What is this natural fear of Fox that you hold up as some kind of badge when challenged?

Disliking lying assholes because they purposely fuck up the dissemination of important information is hardly the same as being afraid of them.

195 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:36:52pm

re: #191 reine.de.tout

This guy apparently claimed (or his attorneys did, on his behalf) that he didn’t know what the plan was.

he probably didn’t…to know would only be another potential liability for the killers…at least the asshole is alive

196 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:37:02pm

re: #186 wozzablog

they have small dicks and need to act like big men to impress the momma grizzlys.

Hey, small dicks are dicks too.

197 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:37:16pm

re: #191 reine.de.tout

This guy apparently claimed (or his attorneys did, on his behalf) that he didn’t know what the plan was.

Maybe he didn’t. We can’t assume that everyone in Gitmo is guilty or guilty of all charges. People are innocent until proven guilty and that is true even in a military tribunal. I think too many people have the attitude that everyone in Gitmo is guilty of all charges and then some. Not saying you feel this way. Just wanted to say something on this.

198 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:37:40pm

re: #193 Dreggas

I don’t fear Fox, I detest it. Sadly they have a lot of influence and have had it for quite a while. THey have a penchant for spreading misinformation and rather than saying the system worked, or that anything is going right they will use the lack of a conviction on all counts to once again whip their viewing audience into a frothing mob.

and of course other news sources are as pure as a new dusting of snow?

199 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:38:16pm

Sh*t. Even my liberal, aclu-card-carrying brother has gone anti TSA. A tweet:

TSA screening procedures henceforth to be known as “gate rape.” 11/24 is opt-out day. Pass it on.

I put that into a google search, and the one result is Breitbart’s BigGovernment. WTF. Do I have to do an intervention?

200 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:38:33pm

re: #191 reine.de.tout

And he may not have. He could have been the fall guy. That’s what is great about our system, you are innocent until proven guilty.

201 Virginia Plain  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:38:51pm

re: #198 brookly red

and of course other news sources are as pure as a new dusting of snow?

Fox News takes propaganda to a new level. Unfortunately, the other news channels follow so that they can raise their ratings.

202 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:39:33pm

re: #200 Dreggas

And he may not have. He could have been the fall guy. That’s what is great about our system, you are innocent until proven guilty.

and he was one one count..

203 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:39:47pm

re: #198 brookly red

Nope but the majority are not nearly as biased nor put as much spin on a story as fox does.

204 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:39:55pm

re: #198 brookly red

and of course other news sources are as pure as a new dusting of snow?

Heh, no.
But none approach FoxNews. I mean, does CNN or MSNBC openly promote anti Muslim bigotry?
Or allow they’re hosts to go on wild conspiracies that verge on antisemitism?

205 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:40:09pm

re: #198 brookly red

and of course other news sources are as pure as a new dusting of snow?

I care not for Fox, or TV in general, but I won’t sit here all day long dreaming up new and clever adjectives to call them…but to fit in you gotta ride the wave and fitting in is everything

206 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:40:19pm

re: #202 brookly red

yep and he will rot in prison for the rest of his life most likely.

207 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:40:25pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

Sh*t. Even my liberal, aclu-card-carrying brother has gone anti TSA. A tweet:

I put that into a google search, and the one result is Breitbart’s BigGovernment. WTF. Do I have to do an intervention?

Oh brother. Americans. They were willing to bomb down town Baghdad (with all of the subsequent “collateral damage”) in order to prosecute a war on terror yet they don’t want to go through a pat down search if they’re to scared to go through the AIT scanner because of their Luddite beliefs.

208 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:40:39pm

re: #203 Dreggas

Nope but the majority are not nearly as biased nor put as much spin on a story as fox does.

No, of course not…

209 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:40:59pm

re: #205 albusteve

I care not for Fox, or TV in general, but I won’t sit here all day long dreaming up new and clever adjectives to call them…but to fit in you gotta ride the wave and fitting in is everything

Yeah, TV sucks.
Point seen.

210 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:41:01pm

re: #208 brookly red

not gonna take the bait :P

211 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:41:03pm

re: #191 reine.de.tout

This guy apparently claimed (or his attorneys did, on his behalf) that he didn’t know what the plan was.

Did he not know what the components could be used for, or did he not know who was to be blown up?

212 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:41:54pm

re: #210 Dreggas

not gonna take the bait :P

no bait I don’t even own a TV…

213 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:42:27pm

re: #209 Varek Raith

Yeah, TV sucks.
Point seen.

They started adding two commercial per commercial break on Hulu. Used to be just one. It drives me nuts. I can’t stand commercials.

214 samuraishake  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:42:30pm

re: #212 brookly red

no bait I don’t even own a TV

I only use my TV for Netflix and football games.

215 webevintage  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:42:41pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

Sh*t. Even my liberal, aclu-card-carrying brother has gone anti TSA. A tweet:

I put that into a google search, and the one result is Breitbart’s BigGovernment. WTF. Do I have to do an intervention?

Lewis Black had a funny bit on The Daily Show last night about the TSA freak out among other things:

216 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:43:27pm

re: #207 Gus 802

Oh brother. Americans. They were willing to bomb down town Baghdad (with all of the subsequent “collateral damage”) in order to prosecute a war on terror yet they don’t want to go through a pat down search if they’re to scared to go through the AIT scanner because of their Luddite beliefs.

that seems to be the size of it…so now what?
bitch, moan and enlighten fellow readers with vitriol….the second vibe is as bad as the first imo

217 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:44:00pm

re: #197 Gus 802

Maybe he didn’t. We can’t assume that everyone in Gitmo is guilty or guilty of all charges. People are innocent until proven guilty and that is true even in a military tribunal. I think too many people have the attitude that everyone in Gitmo is guilty of all charges and then some. Not saying you feel this way. Just wanted to say something on this.

Part of the conservative psyche*, is the belief that being arrested equates to being guilty. Apparently, innocent people do not get arrested.

*Anecdotal evidence only.

218 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:45:40pm

re: #198 brookly red

and of course other news sources are as pure as a new dusting of snow?

That others do it is not a justification for Fox to do it. The number of people doing stupid things does not lessen the stupidity.

219 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:46:25pm

re: #140 brookly red

so, do we really want air line security? do not dogs work well at a fraction of the price?

No, dogs actually don’t work that well. For one thing they can’t smell box cutters, also we have a bad recent history with regards to their use (possibly NSFW).

220 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:46:32pm

re: #198 brookly red

and of course other news sources are as pure as a new dusting of snow?

other news sources have points of view and may shade the truth

fox is a propoganda machine deliberately designed to sow falsehoods and be the leadership organ of the million moron march

221 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:46:39pm

re: #218 b_sharp

That others do it is not a justification for Fox to do it. The number of people doing stupid things does not lessen the stupidity.

I’ll remember this logic the next time someone says “Bush did it too!”

222 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:46:47pm

re: #216 albusteve

that seems to be the size of it…so now what?
bitch, moan and enlighten fellow readers with vitriol…the second vibe is as bad as the first imo

You’re not seeing any vitriol from me are you? I’m pretty sure if I was being vitriolic it would be noticeable — I earned a graduate degree in profanity while living in New Jersey /. So now what? I don’t know. People were talking about it so I decided to make a point. Is that cool with you?

223 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:47:17pm

re: #218 b_sharp

That others do it is not a justification for Fox to do it. The number of people doing stupid things does not lessen the stupidity.

OK Joe stole a dollar & Steve stole 2…

224 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:47:25pm

re: #222 Gus 802

You’re not seeing any vitriol from me are you? I’m pretty sure if I was being vitriolic it would be noticeable — I earned a graduate degree in profanity while living in New Jersey /. So now what? I don’t know. People were talking about it so I decided to make a point. Is that cool with you?

New Jersey.
Fuck yeah!

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:47:54pm

re: #221 albusteve

I’ll remember this logic the next time someone says “Bush did it too!”

That’s usually not a justification, merely a point of logic as someone foams over Obama’s latest unprecedented atrocity.

226 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:47:55pm

speaking of tv, we got the new wide pore, uh, i mean wide screen tv last night

now all the idiots are four times as large

227 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:48:05pm

re: #224 Varek Raith

New Jersey.
Fuck yeah!

Fucking aye alright! You from Joisy? What exit?

228 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:48:13pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

It looks like you might have to.

229 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:48:30pm

re: #222 Gus 802

You’re not seeing any vitriol from me are you? I’m pretty sure if I was being vitriolic it would be noticeable — I earned a graduate degree in profanity while living in New Jersey /. So now what? I don’t know. People were talking about it so I decided to make a point. Is that cool with you?

sure, just piggy backed onto your post

230 Ojoe  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:48:31pm
231 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:48:47pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

No, dogs actually don’t work that well. For one thing they can’t smell box cutters, also we have a bad recent history with regards to their use (possibly NSFW).

right, that is why you go through the metal detector first & then the dogs…

232 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:49:02pm

re: #229 albusteve

sure, just piggy backed onto your post

Roger, copy, over.

233 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:49:04pm

re: #205 albusteve

I care not for Fox, or TV in general, but I won’t sit here all day long dreaming up new and clever adjectives to call them…but to fit in you gotta ride the wave and fitting in is everything

Don’t assign imaginary motives to us just because you disagree.

234 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:51:01pm

re: #231 brookly red

right, that is why you go through the metal detector first & then the dogs…

How does a metal detector find a ceramic knife?

235 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:51:31pm

More propaganda from the right…

facebook.com

236 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:53:25pm

I’m just hoping that they’ll cut PBS next.

All that Sesame Street is just brainwashing our kids.

237 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:53:45pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

How does a metal detector find a ceramic knife?

it don’t… I got one for clubbing. so like I said, drop em & we will see… you don’t need to touch me just have a look. and then don’t be a hater cause you can’t match up.

238 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:54:00pm

re: #233 b_sharp

Don’t assign imaginary motives to us just because you disagree.

your motives are not imaginary…the idea is nearly nonstop blow, spew and rail against all things GOP…some deserve it some don’t and I don’t really care until it becomes so redundant and overstated that it’s boring

239 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:54:59pm

Testing something over here.

Hey, if you do a string of images (including the “shadowbox” code they’ll now have forward and backward buttons.

240 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:55:37pm

re: #239 Gus 802

Testing something over here.

Hey, if you do a string of images (including the “shadowbox” code they’ll now have forward and backward buttons.

It also scrolls back to previous images in the thread.

241 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:56:24pm

re: #237 brookly red

it don’t… I got one for clubbing. so like I said, drop em & we will see… you don’t need to touch me just have a look. and then don’t be a hater cause you can’t match up.

right bird? bird? huh, must have crashed…

242 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:56:47pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

How does a metal detector find a ceramic knife?

All detection procedures including strip and orifice searches can be defeated. Any compromise between perfect security and personal rights also has to be practical.

243 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:57:27pm

re: #236 Talking Point Detective

I’m just hoping that they’ll cut PBS next.

All that Sesame Street is just brainwashing our kids.

Watch a lot of Sesame Street when you were a kid did you?

//

244 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:57:58pm

re: #239 Gus 802

Testing something over here.

Hey, if you do a string of images (including the “shadowbox” code they’ll now have forward and backward buttons.

nice! what did you write it in?

245 theheat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:58:32pm

re: #236 Talking Point Detective

Teaching them to read and spell is pretty dangerous.

246 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:58:37pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

Better an intervention than an exorcism….

247 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:59:26pm

re: #207 Gus 802

Oh brother. Americans. They were willing to bomb down town Baghdad (with all of the subsequent “collateral damage”) in order to prosecute a war on terror yet they don’t want to go through a pat down search if they’re to scared to go through the AIT scanner because of their Luddite beliefs.

Yeah, but that doesn’t fit my brother. He was against the war in Iraq, and not many Luddites have PhDs in physics. I don’t know what happened…

248 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:59:34pm

re: #245 theheat

Teaching them to read and spell is pretty dangerous.

Sh-it. Shit.
/

249 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:59:37pm

re: #244 engineer dog

nice! what did you write it in?

Oh, you just make it like a link but instead of using the http you use the image location. Then you add rel=”shadowbox” right before where it says “target…”.

250 theheat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:00:44pm

re: #200 Dreggas

I was listening to NPR on my way back from the feed store, and that’s what they said verbatim. He was a fall guy, and not aware the truck and explosives were for what they were used. And that he cried. That’s as much as I caught.

251 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:00:46pm

re: #238 albusteve

your motives are not imaginary…the idea is nearly nonstop blow, spew and rail against all things GOP…some deserve it some don’t and I don’t really care until it becomes so redundant and overstated that it’s boring

Maybe, just maybe, we really do find a lot of the things the rabid right do despicable and worthy of ridicule, without doing so just to wagon jump. If you think any of us castigate some on the right just to fit in, perhaps you should back up that assertion with something more than your putative wisdom.

252 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:00:51pm

re: #242 b_sharp

All detection procedures including strip and orifice searches can be defeated. Any compromise between perfect security and personal rights also has to be practical.

Does anyone really have personal rights when it comes to the safety of the airways?

253 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:01:00pm

re: #247 wrenchwench

Yeah, but that doesn’t fit my brother. He was against the war in Iraq, and not many Luddites have PhDs in physics. I don’t know what happened…

Yeah, I figured he was against the war. I don’t know. Looks like some on the left AND the right are having a cow over the new TSA procedures.

254 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:02:07pm

re: #252 Walter L. Newton

Does anyone really have personal rights when it comes to the safety of the airways?

No. Their company, their rules. Sorry.

255 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:02:44pm

re: #245 theheat

Teaching them to read and spell is pretty dangerous.

Sarah Palin didn’t need no stinkin’ Sesame Street.

256 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:02:47pm

re: #251 b_sharp

Maybe, just maybe, we really do find a lot of the things the rabid right do despicable and worthy of ridicule, without doing so just to wagon jump. If you think any of us castigate some on the right just to fit in, perhaps you should back up that assertion with something more than your putative wisdom.

no, somethings cannot be shown or even explained

257 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:02:48pm

re: #253 Gus 802

FWIW I think having to take my shoes off to go through security is ridiculous.

258 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:03:14pm

re: #252 Walter L. Newton

Does anyone really have personal rights when it comes to the safety of the airways?

That’s a good question. I’m not sure of the answer.

259 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:03:44pm

On Monday, conservatives sent a letter to Reid asking him not to force votes on any nominees between
the midterm elections and the start of the next Congress.

“Any ‘lame-duck’ confirmations would be a gross abuse of Congressional authority in a last gasp attempt to
perpetuate an agenda that the American people have already rejected,” the letter says.

did that go the other way in 2006?

260 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:04:05pm

re: #254 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. Their company, their rules. Sorry.

That’s my point. You have no personal rights what so ever if you want to fly on their planes. Fine with me. I wouldn’t care if they wanted every passenger to strip naked… it’s their call.

261 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:04:06pm

re: #257 Dreggas

FWIW I think having to take my shoes off to go through security is ridiculous.

This is why Sattv4u2 doesn’t wear pants.

262 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:04:14pm

re: #256 albusteve

no, somethings cannot be shown or even explained

Steve, I love you man, but you can be more frustrating than my wife.

263 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:04:20pm

re: #257 Dreggas

FWIW I think having to take my shoes off to go through security is ridiculous.

Shoe bomber stuff.

264 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:04:28pm

re: #258 b_sharp

That’s a good question. I’m not sure of the answer.

See my re: #260 Walter L. Newton

265 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:04:33pm
re: #240 Gus 802

It also scrolls back to previous images in the thread.

More importantly (IMHO), the new code respects middle-click behavior (which in most cases means “open link in new tab/window”.

266 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:04:53pm

re: #257 Dreggas

FWIW I think having to take my shoes off to go through security is ridiculous.

Stinky socks.

267 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:05:12pm

re: #247 wrenchwench

Yeah, but that doesn’t fit my brother. He was against the war in Iraq, and not many Luddites have PhDs in physics. I don’t know what happened…

Maybe it the media hype. Despite all the media coverage about public backlash The most recent polls show 81% of the public approve of the scanners. Maybe remind your brother that his fellow citizens want to travel for Thanksgiving to be with their families and disrupting airport security delays flights.

268 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:05:24pm

Good thing I don’t fly.

269 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:05:37pm

re: #265 negativ

More importantly (IMHO), the new code respects middle-click behavior (which in most cases means “open link in new tab/window”.

Right. Now you can use “view image”, “saveas”, etc.

270 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:05:38pm

re: #263 Gus 802

yes, i know, however I think it’s ridiculous and there have to be better ways to check these things, same goes for whatever I have in my carry on.

271 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:05:48pm

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

Wanna make a million dollars? Get me a plane. We’ll go from Orlando to Vegas non stop. Trust me.

272 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:06:16pm

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

That’s my point. You have no personal rights what so ever if you want to fly on their planes. Fine with me. I wouldn’t care if they wanted every passenger to strip naked… it’s their call.

I’ll remember that next time I pick up a hitchhiker.

273 theheat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:06:40pm

re: #258 b_sharp

So, let’s say a dog smells explosives up your butt. Do they haul you around the corner and strip search you, haul you off the premises, or what?

First person that gets frisked and has the bad stuff on them, I think will change some people’s opinions about what is appropriate touching or not. Especially the opinions of people who were slated for the same flight, that might be in the same line. I really can’t see anyone protesting about the touching at that point.

274 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:06:44pm

re: #257 Dreggas

FWIW I think having to take my shoes off to go through security is ridiculous.

None of it is ridiculous… it’s their call, and it’s not just for the safety of the passengers. Fly over country doesn’t like it when planes suddenly drop out of the sky and crashes into something containing other people.

You have NO personal rights if you want to board a commercial airliner.

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:07:00pm

re: #272 b_sharp

I’ll remember that next time I pick up a hitchhiker.

Hookers don’t count.
/

276 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:08:02pm

re: #40 albusteve

who’s gonna start the argument that NPR is non-partisan?…step up!

Define ‘non-partisan’, if you please.

277 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:08:21pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

I get that. Just stating my opinion. I’m not going to run around screaming about it or punching some TSA guy. I did like the thinga-ma-jig they had in albany Airport when I was back east. It detected explosives so you didn’t have to take off your shoes.

278 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:08:28pm

re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hookers don’t count.
/

Now you tell me.

279 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:09:01pm

re: #216 albusteve

Ummm Steve… you are accusing Gus of vitriol?

If he seems vitriolic, I must spike somewhere between Attila the Hun after stubbing his toe, and Ghengis Khan with a hangover and an annoying itch in his shoulder blades on your scale.

280 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:09:12pm

re: #270 Dreggas

yes, i know, however I think it’s ridiculous and there have to be better ways to check these things, same goes for whatever I have in my carry on.

I’m wondering now. Does it smell like a locker room near the security checkpoints?

/

281 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:09:27pm

re: #262 b_sharp

Steve, I love you man, but you can be more frustrating than my wife.

I don’t fit in with a constant negative vibe…to each his own

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:09:35pm

re: #273 theheat

So, let’s say a dog smells explosives up your butt. Do they haul you around the corner and strip search you, haul you off the premises, or what?

First person that gets frisked and has the bad stuff on them, I think will change some people’s opinions about what is appropriate touching or not. Especially the opinions of people who were slated for the same flight, that might be in the same line. I really can’t see anyone protesting about the touching at that point.

No, then we’re back to “we should just be able to proooofile, like the Israelis do…”

Never mind that the Israelis have a very, very sophisticated profiling system that requires substantial money, training, and oversight to achieve, and that they do not, even with that, do the kind of casual wave-through that Americans actually want to return to.

283 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:09:45pm

re: #280 Gus 802

when I take off my knee high lace up boots it can clear a room…

284 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:09:51pm

Former Israeli special forces turned flight attendants. Works for me.

285 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:10:36pm

re: #279 LudwigVanQuixote

Ummm Steve… you are accusing Gus of vitriol?

If he seems vitriolic, I must spike somewhere between Attila the Hun after stubbing his toe, and Ghengis Khan with a hangover and an annoying itch in his shoulder blades on your scale.

Ghengis Khan’s brother in law.

286 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:10:38pm

re: #276 Romantic Heretic

Define ‘non-partisan’, if you please.

no

287 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:10:42pm

re: #283 Dreggas

when I take off my knee high lace up boots it can clear a room…

On year my brother had these Converse sneakers that smelled like death. Whew. I can almost still smell it.

288 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:11:17pm

re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist

No, then we’re back to “we should just be able to prooofile, like the Israelis do…”

Never mind that the Israelis have a very, very sophisticated profiling system that requires substantial money, training, and oversight to achieve, and that they do not, even with that, do the kind of casual wave-through that Americans actually want to return to.

That and they serve a minuscule amount of passengers that we do.
I seriously doubt their system would scale that high very well.

289 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:11:20pm

re: #279 LudwigVanQuixote

Ummm Steve… you are accusing Gus of vitriol?

If he seems vitriolic, I must spike somewhere between Attila the Hun after stubbing his toe, and Ghengis Khan with a hangover and an annoying itch in his shoulder blades on your scale.

no

290 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:11:36pm

re: #287 Gus 802

On year my brother had these Converse sneakers that smelled like death. Whew. I can almost still smell it.

I own a pair of Chucks. They rule.

291 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:11:40pm

Hmm. That’s the second time I dropped the “e” in “one”. Where’s Dr. House?

292 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:11:51pm

re: #281 albusteve

I don’t fit in with a constant negative vibe…to each his own

Steve, I can see that you may find the current environment unrelentingly negative, but I was reading here years ago, and it’s always been like that. The balance of consensus has changed. The level of negativity has remained quite stable for a long time.

293 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:12:36pm

re: #287 Gus 802

oddly enough my feet don’t stink that bad when I wear converse, now if I wear boots and go out to do something like go to a club or out to the mall and walk around a lot…that’s another story.

294 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:13:28pm

I’m not saying don’t screen passengers, but people are getting ridiculous about this. The biggest explosives threat has always been, and will probably always continue to be, checked luggage. That’s what took down Pan Am 103, and what could have taken down several flights just a few weeks ago.
re: #274 Walter L. Newton

None of it is ridiculous… it’s their call, and it’s not just for the safety of the passengers. Fly over country doesn’t like it when planes suddenly drop out of the sky and crashes into something containing other people.

You have NO personal rights if you want to board a commercial airliner.

True to a point, but it is ridiculous in as much as it’s nothing more than theatrics, and will never play any part in stopping a competent plot.

295 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:13:58pm

re: #279 LudwigVanQuixote

Ummm Steve… you are accusing Gus of vitriol?

If he seems vitriolic, I must spike somewhere between Attila the Hun after stubbing his toe, and Ghengis Khan with a hangover and an annoying itch in his shoulder blades on your scale.

LOL!
Nicely descriptive!
Sir.

296 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:14:11pm

re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist

Steve, I can see that you may find the current environment unrelentingly negative, but I was reading here years ago, and it’s always been like that. The balance of consensus has changed. The level of negativity has remained quite stable for a long time.

must be I’m enlightened now…peace sista

297 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:14:12pm

re: #293 Dreggas

oddly enough my feet don’t stink that bad when I wear converse, now if I wear boots and go out to do something like go to a club or out to the mall and walk around a lot…that’s another story.

I have a pair of Columbia canvas shoes and have done at least 16 miles this week. Just bragging.

298 theheat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:14:39pm

re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, that was the discussion this morning. I really can’t see the US implementing the program on the scale necessary, or it being affordable. Using military was mentioned, but that puts a whole ‘nother complexion on it. I can just see the headlines, “US Airways Now Police State.” And people have a flipping cow if anything costs money, or more money than it used to. Higher ticket prices and more taxes? Watch the seizures.

I don’t care if I’m touched, x-rayed, or whatever. But I do want to feel safe when I fly. If I don’t own my own airplane, that means I play by commercial airline rules. It’s not a BFD to me.

299 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:14:54pm

re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist

Steve, I can see that you may find the current environment unrelentingly negative, but I was reading here years ago, and it’s always been like that. The balance of consensus has changed. The level of negativity has remained quite stable for a long time.

Hey. This is like the Green Zone now.

/

300 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:15:34pm

re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist

Steve, I can see that you may find the current environment unrelentingly negative, but I was reading here years ago, and it’s always been like that. The balance of consensus has changed. The level of negativity has remained quite stable for a long time.

Just talking about the things we like can get boring pretty fast, where taking the negative view can be cathartic and sharpen debating skills.

301 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:16:50pm

re: #298 theheat

Yeah, that was the discussion this morning. I really can’t see the US implementing the program on the scale necessary, or it being affordable. Using military was mentioned, but that puts a whole ‘nother complexion on it. I can just see the headlines, “US Airways Now Police State.” And people have a flipping cow if anything costs money, or more money than it used to. Higher ticket prices and more taxes? Watch the seizures.

I don’t care if I’m touched, x-rayed, or whatever. But I do want to feel safe when I fly. If I don’t own my own airplane, that means I play by commercial airline rules. It’s not a BFD to me.

Hang around CDG in Paris, or Frankfort, see all the paramilitary men and women with Ak-47’s and such…. I’ve seen US National guard at Penn Station in New York, fully outfitted… we could do it if we wanted… and I would suggest it.

302 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:17:18pm

re: #287 Gus 802

On year my brother had these Converse sneakers that smelled like death. Whew. I can almost still smell it.

I had a bunch when it was the 80s and I didn’t feel like killing myself for intentionally wearing two different color shoes. They used to be like $14 a pair.

Bonus: they are machine-washable.

303 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:17:32pm

issue every other passenger one of these upon boarding a flight, security problem solved…

thefirearmblog.com

304 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:18:04pm

re: #285 b_sharp

Ghengis Khan’s brother in law.

I feel like that some times…

305 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:18:14pm

re: #298 theheat

There’s also the problem of the cargo.
Like Lithium batteries..
allbusiness.com

306 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:18:32pm

re: #301 Walter L. Newton

Yep, other countries have fully armed military or para-military police at airports.

307 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:19:39pm

re: #306 Dreggas

Yep, other countries have fully armed military or para-military police at airports.

True.
Though…
How many soldiers would it take to cover US airports.
Yeah…

308 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:19:40pm

re: #306 Dreggas

Yep, other countries have fully armed military or para-military police at airports.

Yep… I’ve even seen them on platforms in the Paris Metro… and on the street around tourist attractions… I hear no one complaining over there.

309 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:19:57pm

re: #304 brookly red

I feel like that some times…

You have an, um…, interesting girlfriend.

310 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:20:31pm

re: #306 Dreggas

Yep, other countries have fully armed military or para-military police at airports.

Speaking of which German airports are on alert.

311 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:20:33pm

re: #307 Varek Raith

True.
Though…
How many soldiers would it take to cover US airports.
Yeah…

shovel ready at least

312 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:20:34pm

re: #307 Varek Raith

give them something better to do than be stationed in germany…

313 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:20:43pm

re: #300 b_sharp

Just talking about the things we like can get boring pretty fast, where taking the negative view can be cathartic and sharpen debating skills.

It was four years ago today.

Scan through the thread for the remarkable lack of group-think, positivity, and lack of partisanship.

(Note, this is not a call for people to be more negative, to be partisan, or to group-think. Just pointing out that Lizards is Lizards, regardless of side of aisle.)

314 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:21:23pm

re: #307 Varek Raith

True.
Though…
How many soldiers would it take to cover US airports.
Yeah…

Won’t work. We can’t just shoot.

315 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:21:28pm

re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist

It was four years ago today.

Scan through the thread for the remarkable lack of group-think, positivity, and lack of partisanship.

(Note, this is not a call for people to be more negative, to be partisan, or to group-think. Just pointing out that Lizards is Lizards, regardless of side of aisle.)


Damn.
*Puts away flame throwers*

316 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:21:41pm

re: #304 brookly red

I feel like that some times…

Doesn’t work. The Mongols hated cities. You’re too urban to be a Mongol Khan.

317 theheat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:21:41pm

re: #305 Floral Giraffe

This explains why I have to be plastered to fly. Danger, danger everywhere.

318 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:21:58pm

re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist

ahahaha #7 is my favorite

319 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:22:00pm

re: #301 Walter L. Newton

Hang around CDG in Paris, or Frankfort, see all the paramilitary men and women with Ak-47’s and such… I’ve seen US National guard at Penn Station in New York, fully outfitted… we could do it if we wanted… and I would suggest it.

I’d be embarrassed for any Euro security personnel who had to carry AK-47s. It’s just not dignified. I’d expect something more like an MP5 variant or an M4. Perhaps an HK416 if they’re spendy.

320 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:22:07pm

re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist

I kinda like the back and forth.

321 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:22:42pm

re: #318 WindUpBird

ahahaha #7 is my favorite

;)

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322 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:22:46pm

re: #310 Gus 802

Speaking of which German airports are on alert.

Good picture… just what I’ve seen in Paris, Warsaw and Frankfort…

Look at the picture at Gus’s link… would that bother anyone as a permanent fixture at US airports?

323 Lateralis  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:22:49pm

Terror Trial Verdict

hughhewitt.com

324 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:23:03pm

re: #314 Cannadian Club Akbar

Won’t work. We can’t just shoot.

What does that mean?

325 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:23:28pm

re: #182 Floral Giraffe

It makes me wonder why they are so afraid?
*waves to all*

They need to be afraid. Fear makes you high and these people are addicts.

326 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:23:41pm

re: #319 negativ

I’d be embarrassed for any Euro security personnel who had to carry AK-47s. It’s just not dignified. I’d expect something more like an MP5 variant or an M4. Perhaps an HK416 if they’re spendy.

What ever the fuck… I am far from a weapons expert… what ever… it doesn’t take away from my point… does it?

327 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:24:00pm

re: #321 Varek Raith

;)

lol

328 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:24:17pm

I’m glad to see the Senate Republicans have their priorities in order. What the hell is up with this.

329 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:24:41pm

re: #315 Varek Raith

Damn.
*Puts away flame throwers*

Don’t put it away, just be more selective when using it.

330 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:24:57pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

What does that mean?

I flew through DFW after 9-11. Armed Nation Guard troops. What are they gonna do?

331 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:25:10pm

re: #329 b_sharp

Flame throwers don’t do “selective”

332 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:25:16pm

re: #319 negativ

I’d be embarrassed for any Euro security personnel who had to carry AK-47s. It’s just not dignified. I’d expect something more like an MP5 variant or an M4. Perhaps an HK416 if they’re spendy.

Germany is actually making M4s now. Using Krupp steel, no less.

333 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:25:26pm

re: #329 b_sharp

Don’t put it away, just be more selective when using it.

Where’s the fun in that???

334 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:25:28pm

re: #323 Lateralis

Terror Trial Verdict

[Link: hughhewitt.com…]

Linking to Hugh Hewitt’s wigging out? Oooo-kaaaaaayy

335 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:25:29pm

re: #320 Dreggas

I kinda like the back and forth.

I’ve been trying to get my wife to say that for years.

336 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:26:25pm

re: #301 Walter L. Newton

Hang around CDG in Paris, or Frankfort, see all the paramilitary men and women with Ak-47’s and such… I’ve seen US National guard at Penn Station in New York, fully outfitted… we could do it if we wanted… and I would suggest it.

well the problem is they strike where it is unprotected… you seal the airport, they hit the school bus… you armor the school bus they hit the shopping mall… if you can’t name the enemy you can’t fight them.

337 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:27:06pm

re: #325 Romantic Heretic

They need to be afraid. Fear makes you high and these people are addicts.

Adrenaline junkie without the danger.

338 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:27:08pm

re: #336 brookly red

well the problem is they strike where it is unprotected… you seal the airport, they hit the school bus… you armor the school bus they hit the shopping mall… if you can’t name the enemy you can’t fight them.

We’ve named them.
And we’re fighting them.
Imagine that!

339 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:27:41pm

re: #330 Cannadian Club Akbar

I flew through DFW after 9-11. Armed Nation Guard troops. What are they gonna do?

Good point. The utility of automatic weapons in a crowd situation is fairly low unless you intend to commit mass murder. Those rifle could only have been used in semi auto mode.

340 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:28:01pm

re: #338 Varek Raith

We’ve named them.
And we’re fighting them.
Imagine that!

and there name is…

341 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:28:02pm

re: #331 Dreggas

Flame throwers don’t do “selective”

But trigger fingers do.

I hope.

342 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:28:09pm

re: #338 Varek Raith

We’ve named them.
And we’re fighting them.
Imagine that!

hahahahahahaha

343 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:28:20pm

re: #320 Dreggas

I kinda like the back and forth.

If two people agree on everything, one of them is unnecessary.

Image: duty_calls.png

344 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:28:34pm

re: #336 brookly red

well the problem is they strike where it is unprotected… you seal the airport, they hit the school bus… you armor the school bus they hit the shopping mall… if you can’t name the enemy you can’t fight them.

Are we back to ‘name the enemy, win the war’?

Because I still don’t know what the hell that one means.

BUT, “I will love him and pet him and squeeze him and call him George!”

(And he’ll hate that, because he’ll assume it’s in honor of W.)

345 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:28:56pm

re: #333 Varek Raith

Where’s the fun in that???

Less fun = less mess to clean up.

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:29:01pm

re: #340 brookly red

and there name is…

George?

347 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:29:04pm

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

Good point. The utility of automatic weapons in a crowd situation is fairly low unless you intend to commit mass murder. Those rifle could only have been used in semi auto mode.

I would prefer a side arm with a civilian look.

348 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:29:19pm

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

The sight of the rifle is as much a deterrant as what it can do. I remember during my security training one of the officers who said there was nothing that got a perp to stop faster than the sound of a pump shotgun cycling a round.

349 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:29:48pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Are we back to ‘name the enemy, win the war’?

Because I still don’t know what the hell that one means.

BUT, “I will love him and pet him and squeeze him and call him George!”

(And he’ll hate that, because he’ll assume it’s in honor of W.)

War on Drugs
War on Poverty
Named em, can’t win em.

350 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:30:34pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Are we back to ‘name the enemy, win the war’?

Because I still don’t know what the hell that one means.

BUT, “I will love him and pet him and squeeze him and call him George!”

(And he’ll hate that, because he’ll assume it’s in honor of W.)

so your better idea is?

351 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:30:38pm

re: #349 Varek Raith

War on Drugs
War on Poverty
Named em, can’t win em.

war on high prices

352 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:30:42pm

re: #340 brookly red

and there name is…

Captain Kangaroo…
Uh, Islamic terrorists?
And maybe terrorists of all stripes?

353 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:30:54pm

re: #322 Walter L. Newton

Good picture… just what I’ve seen in Paris, Warsaw and Frankfort…

Look at the picture at Gus’s link… would that bother anyone as a permanent fixture at US airports?

When my parents were going to Europe on vacation it wasn’t uncommon to see heavily armed police. And from what my mom told me back then, this was the 80s, the German police don’t feck around. I was kind of taken aback then but I was a) still in my 20s and b) this was well before 911.

Several years ago after 911 I was at an airshow and I started talking with one of the MPs guarding the F-16 which was taxing in front of us. He had a loaded M-16 with him. Nice kid. So no, right now none of that would bother me.

354 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:31:20pm

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

Good point. The utility of automatic weapons in a crowd situation is fairly low unless you intend to commit mass murder. Those rifle could only have been used in semi auto mode.

Too fucking bad. Yep… some times someone innocent gets hurt… cry me a river.

355 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:31:32pm

re: #352 Varek Raith

Captain Kangaroo…
Uh, Islamic terrorists?
And maybe terrorists of all stripes?

OH!
TSA Agents!
Or junk?

356 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:31:41pm

re: #347 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would prefer a side arm with a civilian look.

Give me an M911A1. The design turns 100 years old next year, but it remains superb weapon for stopping a crazed fanatic.

357 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:31:59pm

re: #348 Dreggas

The sight of the rifle is as much a deterrant as what it can do. I remember during my security training one of the officers who said there was nothing that got a perp to stop faster than the sound of a pump shotgun cycling a round.

the second round maybe

358 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:32:12pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Are we back to ‘name the enemy, win the war’?

Because I still don’t know what the hell that one means.

BUT, “I will love him and pet him and squeeze him and call him George!”

(And he’ll hate that, because he’ll assume it’s in honor of W.)

I have no idea why it’s connected, but I’ve always loved this YouTube bit.

359 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:32:14pm

re: #310 Gus 802

Speaking of which German airports are on alert.

I experienced better screening in Berlin in 1993 than I did in Phoenix on Sept. 26, 2001.

360 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:33:15pm

re: #286 albusteve

no

Didn’t think you would. Tough to bob and weave when there’s a baseline you have to stick to.

361 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:33:16pm

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

Give me an M911A1. The design turns 100 years old next year, but it remains superb weapon for stopping a crazed fanatic.

drool

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:33:16pm

re: #350 brookly red

so your better idea is?

Giant rats in airports, I keep saying.

And keep our powder dry and our drones in the air.

363 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:33:30pm

re: #358 SanFranciscoZionist

I have no idea why it’s connected, but I’ve always loved this YouTube bit.

Lolfuckingl

364 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:34:03pm

re: #360 Romantic Heretic

Didn’t think you would. Tough to bob and weave when there’s a baseline you have to stick to.

you can figure it out yourself, can’t you?

365 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:34:09pm

re: #350 brookly red

so your better idea is?

We’ve named the enemy, and it’s Radical Islam. But given the way it hides behind those who do not deserve to die and conceals itself, it is most hard to destroy even after having been named.

366 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:34:19pm

re: #353 Gus 802

When my parents were going to Europe on vacation it wasn’t uncommon to see heavily armed police. And from what my mom told me back then, this was the 80s, the German police don’t feck around. I was kind of taken aback then but I was a) still in my 20s and b) this was well before 911.

Several years ago after 911 I was at an airshow and I started talking with one of the MPs guarding the F-16 which was taxing in front of us. He had a loaded M-16 with him. Nice kid. So no, right now none of that would bother me.

Here’s the guard…

Image: img4740c.jpg

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:34:42pm

re: #352 Varek Raith

Captain Kangaroo…
Uh, Islamic terrorists?
And maybe terrorists of all stripes?

Really, only Islamic ones. Internal non-Islamic ones are considered law enforcement issues, and outside non-Islamic ones, really, not so much of a national problem. For us.

368 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:35:09pm

re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist

Giant rats in airports, I keep saying.

And keep our powder dry and our drones in the air.

thank you for taking this so seriously…

369 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:36:03pm

re: #359 wrenchwench

I experienced better screening in Berlin in 1993 than I did in Phoenix on Sept. 26, 2001.

Same for London and San Francisco here. We simply do not want to do this. Now, maybe that’s just who Americans are. Maybe we’re willing to have shitty airplane security. I don’t think it’s the world’s best idea, but we do seem to lean toward it.

370 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:36:10pm
371 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:37:16pm

Human Target is the new “24”. They use torture. Right Wing porn.

372 theheat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:37:54pm

re: #368 brookly red

Rats have a better developed sense of smell than dogs. And they’re smart.

373 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:38:49pm

re: #359 wrenchwench

I experienced better screening in Berlin in 1993 than I did in Phoenix on Sept. 26, 2001.

We are so LUCKY as Americans, and we take many things for granted.
The Germans do not.
Think about how lucky you are….

374 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:38:51pm

re: #372 theheat

Rats have a better developed sense of smell than dogs. And they’re smart.

Pigs are smarter then all of them. And bees.

375 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:38:52pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

Secret Kitten

Secret, kitten man. Secret, kitten man.

Kind of has his arms out like “the mummy.”

376 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:39:21pm

re: #368 brookly red

thank you for taking this so seriously…

This is as serious as it gets. But I still don’t get what ‘name the enemy’ is supposed to be about. The enemy is a loosely affiliated terror network of Islamic fundamentalists with no centralized authority, no centralized location, and an unfortunate degree of popular support from various civilian populations and individuals worldwide, and, unpleasantly, actual in-charge people in a few countries we call allies. Does anyone disagree? Have I gotten us any closer to defeating them?

377 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:39:40pm

re: #372 theheat

Rats have a better developed sense of smell than dogs. And they’re smart.

OK bring em in… we could use some smart here & yes rats are smart.

378 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:40:26pm

re: #372 theheat

Rats have a better developed sense of smell than dogs. And they’re smart.

Also light. They could be carried on a TSA agent’s shoulder, wearing an official little harness. That would be cute as hell.

(I’m easily distracted by anything with animals in it.)

379 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:41:15pm

re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist

Also light. They could be carried on a TSA agent’s shoulder, wearing an official little harness. That would be cute as hell.

(I’m easily distracted by anything with animals in it.)

HeroRat

380 dr. luba  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:41:19pm

I was under the impression that NPR stood for Nice, Polite Republicans……

381 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:41:21pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

How is ?Zoe? was her name? doing…

382 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:41:21pm

re: #348 Dreggas

The sight of the rifle is as much a deterrant as what it can do. I remember during my security training one of the officers who said there was nothing that got a perp to stop faster than the sound of a pump shotgun cycling a round.

Single most irritating Hollywood firearms bullshit: Cocking the weapon to prove you Really Mean Business. Usually, it’s a pump-action shotgun, or a single-action pistol like a 1911. More stupidly, they’ll rack the slide on a pistol, and no round is ejected. This means, of course, that up until that point, the weapon they’d been pointing at the bad guy / hero to keep him at bay was more or less useless except as a bludgeon.

I maintain that 75% of the reason we have gun-related crime, accidents, and lethal stupidity (and also the irrational fear thereof) is because they are depicted thoroughly unrealistically by TV and movies.

383 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:41:25pm

re: #374 Cannadian Club Akbar

Pigs are smarter then all of them. And bees.

well OK let’s have a farm at every airport…

384 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:42:10pm

re: #371 Cannadian Club Akbar

Human Target is the new “24”. They use torture. Right Wing porn.

It’s on Fox. And yes, scenes of malefactors being brutalized have always been popular, even if they are deplored at the same time.

385 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:42:46pm

re: #383 brookly red

well OK let’s have a farm at every airport…

The Russians used to use Geese to protect their Nuke spots.

386 theheat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:42:58pm

re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist

Rats are pretty interesting, actually. I find their smell offensive, but they’re sort of cool pets. Much easier to transport than dogs, and take less space. I would venture dogs are easier to train for the task, but I’m not a rat trainer. And judging by my terrier, I’m not much of a dog trainer, either.

387 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:43:08pm

re: #213 Gus 802

They started adding two commercial per commercial break on Hulu. Used to be just one. It drives me nuts. I can’t stand commercials.

Netflix!

388 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:43:16pm

re: #381 Floral Giraffe

How is ?Zoe? was her name? doing…

She’s doing well and her behavior is better now that she gets more attention.

389 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:43:38pm

re: #382 negativ

Single most irritating Hollywood firearms bullshit: Cocking the weapon to prove you Really Mean Business. Usually, it’s a pump-action shotgun, or a single-action pistol like a 1911. More stupidly, they’ll rack the slide on a pistol, and no round is ejected. This means, of course, that up until that point, the weapon they’d been pointing at the bad guy / hero to keep him at bay was more or less useless except as a bludgeon.

I maintain that 75% of the reason we have gun-related crime, accidents, and lethal stupidity (and also the irrational fear thereof) is because they are depicted thoroughly unrealistically by TV and movies.

or 50 rounds in a 14 round mag

390 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:43:56pm

re: #379 Gus 802

HeroRat

So I go there, and I click on the link to see what-all they do, and it says, “Map of Gaza”, and I think, “how the hell are they using rats to help people in Gaza?”

Gaza Province is in Mozambique. I am now better informed.

391 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:43:59pm

re: #385 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Russians used to use Geese to protect their Nuke spots.

as the Romans did to protect their camps…

392 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:44:28pm

re: #385 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Russians used to use Geese to protect their Nuke spots.

Well, they’re aggressive enough, when its nesting season.

393 Lateralis  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:44:39pm

re: #334 WindUpBird

Linking to Hugh Hewitt’s wigging out? Oooo-kaaayy

He should be “wigging out”. Terrorists should not be tried in a civilian court.

394 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:44:58pm

re: #382 negativ

Single most irritating Hollywood firearms bullshit: Cocking the weapon to prove you Really Mean Business. Usually, it’s a pump-action shotgun, or a single-action pistol like a 1911. More stupidly, they’ll rack the slide on a pistol, and no round is ejected. This means, of course, that up until that point, the weapon they’d been pointing at the bad guy / hero to keep him at bay was more or less useless except as a bludgeon.

I maintain that 75% of the reason we have gun-related crime, accidents, and lethal stupidity (and also the irrational fear thereof) is because they are depicted thoroughly unrealistically by TV and movies.

I think the sound effect may have carried over from radio shows, where it would signal the gun’s presence to the listener, and also indicate the weapon being readied.

395 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:45:22pm

Notes from the Future:

As many of you know, my secret identity as a Zionist Overlord of Remulak is actually a joke. I am really an historian from the year 3291 doing research on the fall of the American order and the rise of the post collapse barbaric states.

I have also told you that telling you your future won’t change anything because I can’t change history - because I didn’t.

But all that time travel stuff is for the physics geeks. I really don’t know about Cauchy information on converging manifolds. I’m just a grad student doing a thesis.

I want to know how a society that had everything it could possibly want could be so cruel to its own members, so short sighted and so stupid.
My thesis will be quite an eye opener, because in my time, someone like Palin is difficult to imagine. In my time, ambitious sociopaths and paranoid delusional malignant narcissists with IQ’s below 100 are treated as wards of the state, not made into political leaders. The ones with IQs above 100 are sent on deep space survey missions.

So let me tell you about the future as far as you are concerned.

After a successful series of “scandals” that had little merit of truth but much play time on Fox networks the Democrats were very sorely weakened as a party and never regain their balance.

In 2012 Palin runs for President. She narrowly loses a hotly disputed election amidst false claims of Democratic voter fraud manufactured by Fox networks. There are violent riots in many parts of the south and the Midwest. Many Muslims are killed. A bill passed by the GOP congress forces a “recount” in the state of Ohio to be counted. In order to soothe the riotous problems in the country, the Democrats agree to it - believing they will be vindicated.

Whether or not the recount was kosher is hotly disputed. Watching the nature of the times from here, I am inclined to believe it was actually kosher. People are that dumb.

However, in February of 2013, President Palin is sworn into office.

During the Palin years, she actually did very little domestically other than expand “the rights” of fossil fuel companies and start an initiative to reform education in America. In 2014, America became the only Western nation to consider Biblical Creationism a competing scientific theory by law. After packing the Supreme court, sexual education was removed to a question of severely curtailed state initiatives. In Massachusetts still women got pregnant the old fashioned way. In Alabama, it came from sitting in the same seat as a boy.

There were also the famous NASA hearings where several leading scientists were imprisoned for their anti-American activities and a number of journalists were imprisoned under the “fair reporting” act of 2015.

Foreign policy wise, PAlin is best known as the leader who gave Japan to China and the leader who broke the special relationship with Britain.

The story goes, and I hope to verify this with my research here, that the British PM was overheard to say something about Palin’s dress and demeanor not being particularly becoming for a head of state. His implication was that Palin tried much too hard to flirt when she thought she was not getting her way. Palin heard this and famously announced that:

The PM is not just very British. He really is gay.

While Fox chortled. The British took great offence.

To be continued….

396 Gus  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:45:24pm

re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist

So I go there, and I click on the link to see what-all they do, and it says, “Map of Gaza”, and I think, “how the hell are they using rats to help people in Gaza?”

Gaza Province is in Mozambique. I am now better informed.

Good thing about the rats is that they’re also much easier to kennel. And, no barking or aggressive behavior like some dogs.

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:45:36pm

re: #386 theheat

Rats are pretty interesting, actually. I find their smell offensive, but they’re sort of cool pets. Much easier to transport than dogs, and take less space. I would venture dogs are easier to train for the task, but I’m not a rat trainer. And judging by my terrier, I’m not much of a dog trainer, either.

I don’t mind the smell, at least if they’re kept in nice terrariums full of cedar chips.

398 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:45:36pm

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

Well, they’re aggressive enough, when its nesting season.

and so am I…

399 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:46:14pm

bbiab….

400 albusteve  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:46:42pm

re: #396 Gus 802

Good thing about the rats is that they’re also much easier to kennel. And, no barking or aggressive behavior like some dogs.

my only problem has been the tiny little Frisbees

401 theheat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:47:34pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

With my nose, even cedar chips don’t help. I can smell anything. Come to think of it, maybe I should get a job sniffing people at airports.

402 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:49:10pm

re: #401 theheat

With my nose, even cedar chips don’t help. I can smell anything. Come to think of it, maybe I should get a job sniffing people at airports.

If you don’t like the way rats smell, do you really think that’s such a good idea?

403 theheat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:50:47pm

re: #402 SanFranciscoZionist

You have a point. Blech.

404 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:51:34pm

re: #364 albusteve

you can figure it out yourself, can’t you?

I don’t use the term non-partisan as there is no such a thing.

You were the one that bought the term up. I asked you to define it because, as I said, I don’t use the term and think it meaningless.

I’d just like to know what it would take for NPR to become ‘non-partisan’.

405 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:52:19pm

re: #389 albusteve

or 50 rounds in a 14 round mag

Other favorites include sawed-off double-barrel shotgun fired single-handed with no recoil, pistols fired indoors that are no louder than popping a balloon, and the 300-yard 9mm shot that hits the gas tank and makes the car explode.

406 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:53:01pm

re: #404 Romantic Heretic

I don’t use the term non-partisan as there is no such a thing.

You were the one that bought the term up. I asked you to define it because, as I said, I don’t use the term and think it meaningless.

I’d just like to know what it would take for NPR to become ‘non-partisan’.

the off switch.

407 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:54:31pm

re: #405 negativ

Other favorites include sawed-off double-barrel shotgun fired single-handed with no recoil, pistols fired indoors that are no louder than popping a balloon, and the 300-yard 9mm shot that hits the gas tank and makes the car explode.

I just laugh at the way they instantly appear from out of the cameras view…

408 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:55:21pm

re: #406 brookly red

the off switch.

Why? Being Canadian I don’t get NPR. What have they done that is so bad?

409 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:56:36pm

re: #408 Romantic Heretic

Why? Being Canadian I don’t get NPR. What have they done that is so bad?

Being left wingish.

410 brookly red  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:56:49pm

re: #408 Romantic Heretic

Why? Being Canadian I don’t get NPR. What have they done that is so bad?

nothing that any other station does not do, they just claim to be uhhh fair and balanced.

411 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:06:25pm

re: #395 LudwigVanQuixote

LOL!
Secrets…

412 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:10:03pm

re: #395 LudwigVanQuixote

very good, but i’ll tell you what i think will really happen

the overton window will move further and further to the right and progressives will be reduced to rooting to regular republicans against the tea party since they will vote for republicanized democrats to no effect

oh wait, that part already happened

rabble will continue to be roused to dangerous pitches but the real agenda will continue to be persued: reduce consumer protection by reducing regulation on businesses, lower taxes on the wealthly and corporations and pay for them by cutting middle class benefits, and keep unemployment high while continuing to ship jobs overseas, until

the united states becomes a nation of ill educated poorly paid service people taking care of millionaires - with us professionals kept around for the technical tasks - with the superfluous and aged warehoused in suburban ghettos watching reality shows and eating captain crunch and spam

and if your daughter gets poisoned by an irresponsible manufacturer your only recourse will be to wait for mr invisible hand to punish them. if it ever does

413 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:11:23pm

re: #197 Gus 802

Maybe he didn’t. We can’t assume that everyone in Gitmo is guilty or guilty of all charges. People are innocent until proven guilty and that is true even in a military tribunal. I think too many people have the attitude that everyone in Gitmo is guilty of all charges and then some. Not saying you feel this way. Just wanted to say something on this.

Just clarifying - I was not assuming that he was guilty of all charges.
The jury did not convict on those charges. I was not on the jury; I was not in court and did not hear everything, and I have no desire to try to second-guess the verdict.

414 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:12:45pm

re: #211 b_sharp

Did he not know what the components could be used for, or did he not know who was to be blown up?

He seems to have claimed that no, he did not know what the plans were.

415 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:14:07pm

re: #200 Dreggas

And he may not have. He could have been the fall guy. That’s what is great about our system, you are innocent until proven guilty.

And again:
re: #413 reine.de.tout

Just clarifying - I was not assuming that he was guilty of all charges.
The jury did not convict on those charges. I was not on the jury; I was not in court and did not hear everything, and I have no desire to try to second-guess the verdict.

416 Lateralis  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:17:41pm

re: #415 reine.de.tout

And again:
re: #413 reine.de.tout

In the ruling, the judge, Lewis A. Kaplan of Federal District Court in Manhattan, barred them from using an important witness against Mr. Ghailani because the government had learned about the man through Mr. Ghailani’s interrogation while he was in C.I.A. custody, where his lawyers say he was tortured.

The witness, Hussein Abebe, would have testified that he had sold Mr. Ghailani the large quantities of TNT used to blow up the embassy in Dar es Salaam, prosecutors told the judge, calling him “a giant witness for the government.” - New York Times

He was guilty.

417 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:22:38pm

re: #409 b_sharp

Being left wingish.

If you actually read the NPR Ombudsman reports, over time, you’ll find that the number of listeners complain about liberal bias is roughly equal to the number of listeners who complain about conservative bias. At most, NPR is center-left. Occasionally you’ll hear an annoyingly uncritical report China’s economy (just as an example), but it’s not like they’re on the air praising Hugo Chavez and denouncing American hegemony every hour of the day.

If you want to hear actual leftist radio shows, you have to tune into your locals. KNON for instance. I happen to like a lot of KNON’s music programming (especially their blues and Texas country music programming that you’ll never hear anywhere else), but the news and talk shows make Rachel Maddow sound like Rush Limbaugh, and that’s not really much of an exaggeration.

418 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:24:34pm

Help, I seem to be suffering from Preposition-Conjunctive Deficiency Disorder. =/

419 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:35:11pm

re: #416 Lateralis

In the ruling, the judge, Lewis A. Kaplan of Federal District Court in Manhattan, barred them from using an important witness against Mr. Ghailani because the government had learned about the man through Mr. Ghailani’s interrogation while he was in C.I.A. custody, where his lawyers say he was tortured.

The witness, Hussein Abebe, would have testified that he had sold Mr. Ghailani the large quantities of TNT used to blow up the embassy in Dar es Salaam, prosecutors told the judge, calling him “a giant witness for the government.” - New York Times

He was guilty.

I know about the witness. He may have been able to testify if this had been held in a different venue (military tribunal?) rather than a trial. But we have what we have with this.
And the jury worked with what they had.
And I won’t be second-guessing the verdict.
Mr. Ghailani is going away for a looooong time. Done.

420 Cineaste  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 7:56:48pm

re: #20 brookly red

Well now wait a minute… if we need to make cuts (and we do) does it not make sense to ask people what they want cut?

Then why do we elect leaders if not to lead?

(I know I’m way late on this thread)

421 jea62  Thu, Nov 18, 2010 5:09:20am

So, let me see if I understand this: Cantor and Lamborn are saying it is not the role of government to tell news organizations how to operate, but they want to tell NPR how to operate.


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