Colbert Encapsulates Palin
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In a special comment to Mika Brzezinski, Colbert encapsulates Sarah Palin as, perhaps, no one else can.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jan 19, 2011 5:58:25pm |
"I come not to bury Sarah Palin but to praise her!"
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 5:59:55pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:02:14pm |
encapsulate |enˈkaps(y)əˌlāt|
verb [ trans. ]
enclose (something) in or as if in a capsule.
• express the essential features of (someone or something) succinctly : the conclusion is encapsulated in one sentence.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:02:14pm |
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darthstar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:03:40pm |
Okay...Colbert just raised himself a shitload of notches in my book. Usually, I find him tiresome as he's always in character, but that was a feat of rhetorical brilliance. He said everything that needed to be said about Sarah Palin but that no "real" news person dares say out of fear that they'll get shafted by the Republican knee-jerk response to defend her.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:05:17pm |
re: #7 darthstar
Okay...Colbert just raised himself a shitload of notches in my book. Usually, I find him tiresome as he's always in character, but that was a feat of rhetorical brilliance. He said everything that needed to be said about Sarah Palin but that no "real" news person dares say out of fear that they'll get shafted by the Republican knee-jerk response to defend her.
like Ed Koch?
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darthstar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:06:17pm |
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jaunte Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:06:51pm |
Good stuff.
I know you think her reality show was pathetically unstatesmanlike and, at the same time, I know that you believe it also represents the pinnacle of her potential and her transparent desperation to be a celebrity so completely eclipsed her interest in public service so long ago that there would be more journalistic integrity in reporting on one of the lesser Kardashian’s ass implants. I know that when you arrive at the office each day you say a silent prayer that maybe, just maybe, Sarah Palin will at long last shut up for 10 fucking minutes.”
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:06:53pm |
re: #8 brookly red
like Ed Koch?
As you know, Ed Koch is old, and out of touch. First time you praised him evah right?
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Buck Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:07:55pm |
Gunsite sighting!
Well someone didn't get the memo on stopping the hateful rhetoric.
[Link: walmartfreedc.org...]
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:08:01pm |
re: #11 Stanley Sea
As you know, Ed Koch is old, and out of touch. First time you praised him evah right?
what praise?
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zora Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:08:21pm |
also suffering from palin fatigue and that clip was chicken soup for my soul.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:09:56pm |
re: #9 darthstar
Hello, merry wanderer of the night.
It's a wonderful night here in Virginia. There is a small chill outside with no wind at all and there a beautiful moon is shining brightly with small clouds around. It's very beautiful.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:11:09pm |
re: #3 brookly red
/Ed Koch? is that you?
PS I actually know the guy... I preferred Rudy, but Ed is a hoot.re: #11 Stanley Sea
As you know, Ed Koch is old, and out of touch. First time you praised him evah right?
No Stanley, I am a NY Dem. I personally know Eddie Boy... you just shot your foot. He is usually waaay to liberal for my tastes - but he tell it like it is.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:11:09pm |
re: #11 Stanley Sea
As you know, Ed Koch is old, and out of touch. First time you praised him evah right?
Actually, there's a good bit to praise about Ed Koch. He was reasonably effective as mayor of New York, and was able to rein in the municipal union insanity that had crippled NYC under the preceding Lindsey and Beame mayoralities. He was not able to truly turn New York around (that task needed to wait for Rudy Giuliani) but he was able to arrest the decline and seriously cut back one of its components.
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Big Joe Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:12:15pm |
That's great. Jon Stewart's bit about Palin's appearance on Hannity should get honorable mention, too.
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:12:53pm |
It's about time someone stated what Mika Brzezinski did, because she is absolutely right.
This whole past couple weeks about SP makes me think of that that Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episode where advertising symbols run amuck and terrorize Springfield. SP is a media hoar--really we should just stop paying attention to her. I'd like to make this the SP theme song:
Just don't look... It's got Paul Anka's guarantee to work!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:13:05pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
Actually, there's a good bit to praise about Ed Koch. He was reasonably effective as mayor of New York, and was able to rein in the municipal union insanity that had crippled NYC under the preceding Lindsey and Beame mayoralities. He was not able to truly turn New York around (that task needed to wait for Rudy Giuliani) but he was able to arrest the decline and seriously cut back one of its components.
But, now....He supports Sr. Sarah Palin.
And is brought up as the counter.
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darthstar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:14:31pm |
re: #15 NJDhockeyfan
It's a wonderful night here in Virginia. There is a small chill outside with no wind at all and there a beautiful moon is shining brightly with small clouds around. It's very beautiful.
It's not bad here in California. Three nights in a row I've come home from work to watch the sun sink into the Pacific Ocean as I drive the last few miles to my house. I fuckin' love seeing that. But I'd appreciate it if the traffic heading south would stop getting between my phone and the sun every time I take a pic...six shots, six different vehicles...I hate the delay on camera phone shutters.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:14:36pm |
re: #20 Stanley Sea
But, now...He supports Sr. Sarah Palin.
And is brought up as the counter.
so go toss him under the bus if he no longer suites you needs...
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engineer cat Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:14:38pm |
encapsulate
can we upgrade that to 'sequester'?
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Transfromnation Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:15:14pm |
Everyone (okay, not EVERYONE) was thinking it, but he said it. Even if it was satirically.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:16:10pm |
re: #20 Stanley Sea
But, now...He supports Sr. Sarah Palin.
And is brought up as the counter.
Maybe he feels she's being ganged up on. He's an old-fashioned man in many ways, and does not like to a see a woman abused.
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jaunte Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:18:05pm |
re: #20 Stanley Sea
Koch: I repeat my earlier comment that she "scares the hell out of me." Nevertheless, she is entitled to fair and respectful treatment. The fools in politics today in both parties are those who think she is dumb. I've never met her, but I've always thought that she is highly intelligent but not knowledgeable in many areas and politically uninformed. [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
He supports her right to speak, even though he admits she's fairly ignorant.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:18:09pm |
re: #12 Buck
Well, I know you're perfectly fine with that flyer.
Right? Since you deflected from Palin's map...
;)
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webevintage Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:18:29pm |
That was a thing of beauty....
It is SO DAMN cold in here I am typing wearing my special "gloves with the fingertips cutout" so all mistakes are a product of that tonight.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:19:00pm |
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
Maybe he feels she's being ganged up on. He's an old-fashioned man in many ways, and does not like to a see a woman abused.
ahhh... "But now".
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:20:05pm |
re: #25 Dark_Falcon
Maybe he feels she's being ganged up on. He's an old-fashioned man in many ways, and does not like to a see a woman abused.
she deserves the abuse, and until she shuts her yap, it's going to rain down on her....the ditz has no clue and if she runs for office that rain will turn into a hurricane
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:20:07pm |
re: #21 darthstar
It's not bad here in California. Three nights in a row I've come home from work to watch the sun sink into the Pacific Ocean as I drive the last few miles to my house. I fuckin' love seeing that. But I'd appreciate it if the traffic heading south would stop getting between my phone and the sun every time I take a pic...six shots, six different vehicles...I hate the delay on camera phone shutters.
I just spent 2 hours driving home from Manassas and seeing the moon rising up was amazing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:20:09pm |
re: #27 jaunte
He supports her right to speak, even though he admits she's fairly ignorant.
Except that no one is threatening her right to speak, and in fact, she is paid very well to speak.
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Tigger2 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:20:12pm |
Some good news on Gabby Giffords. They had her standing today.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:20:55pm |
re: #19 BryanS
It's about time someone stated what Mika Brzezinski did, because she is absolutely right.
This whole past couple weeks about SP makes me think of that that Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episode where advertising symbols run amuck and terrorize Springfield. SP is a media hoar--really we should just stop paying attention to her. I'd like to make this the SP theme song:
Just don't look... It's got Paul Anka's guarantee to work!
The problem is that we could stop looking and her followers would still be gazing at her till their eyeballs dry up from a lack of blinking....
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webevintage Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:21:22pm |
re: #29 webevintage
That was a thing of beauty...
It is SO DAMN cold in here I am typing wearing my special "gloves with the fingertips cutout" so all mistakes are a product of that tonight.
my husband just said it was not cold in here and I said "well then why are my fingers so cold" and he responded "must be your soul" and then he said I looked like Bob Cratchit.
bastard....
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:21:33pm |
re: #29 webevintage
That was a thing of beauty...
It is SO DAMN cold in here I am typing wearing my special "gloves with the fingertips cutout" so all mistakes are a product of that tonight.
...ah...honey..is that you??(Looking over my shoulder)!
....Guess not...../
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:22:04pm |
re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist
Except that no one is threatening her right to speak, and in fact, she is paid very well to speak.
And I know personally, so many more smarter, articulate, educated, and politically inclined women. They are busy trying to get paid the same as the guys in their offices.
Bummer for Sr. Sarah.
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jaunte Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:22:23pm |
re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist
Funny statement by Koch. I don't think the hook was very apparent.
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Buck Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:22:26pm |
re: #28 Varek Raith
Well, I know you're perfectly fine with that flyer.
Right? Since you deflected from Palin's map...
;)
my pint is that it is done all the time, but certain people will only object if the right does it.
Yes, I think it is harmless...then and now.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:23:44pm |
re: #27 jaunte
He supports her right to speak, even though he admits she's fairly ignorant.
" but I've always thought she was highly intelligent" ? = fairly ignorant?... OK, if you say so.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:25:01pm |
re: #27 jaunte
He supports her right to speak, even though he admits she's fairly ignorant.
Well, that's an improvement on the accuracy of the some of the commentary about her. It's bad form and bad practice to call everyone who's ignorant, self-centered, and wrong on almost everything, stupid.
What they're saying may be stupid, but they're saying it because it serves their purposes. Not because they can't figure anything out. Palin doesn't even think about the reality of the situations she speaks about. She does think about how her words will play. She's got herself a nice gig, a running vacation that pays her! She's got fame, a following, etc. It's stupid to write her off as stupid.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:25:40pm |
re: #30 brookly red
ahhh... "But now".
Well, Jaunte pointed out the context and limits of Koch's defense of her. It was more a request for civility and a reminder not to underestimate her. You can't really call it a "plea for civility", since Ed Koch is not a man to plead. He believes in being forceful instead, though he's never ugly in so doing.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:26:33pm |
re: #44 lostlakehiker
Well, that's an improvement on the accuracy of the some of the commentary about her. It's bad form and bad practice to call everyone who's ignorant, self-centered, and wrong on almost everything, stupid.
What they're saying may be stupid, but they're saying it because it serves their purposes. Not because they can't figure anything out. Palin doesn't even think about the reality of the situations she speaks about. She does think about how her words will play. She's got herself a nice gig, a running vacation that pays her! She's got fame, a following, etc. It's stupid to write her off as stupid.
Quite Concur.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:29:10pm |
re: #43 jaunte
Intelligent, but ignorant.
Kinda like the Bush "evil genius/moron" thing... you can't have it both ways.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:29:49pm |
OT:
Israel arrests suspect in Srebrenica massacre
Jerusalem (CNN) -- Israeli police arrested Tuesday an immigrant from the former Yugoslavia who is suspected of participating in the 1995 massacre in the Bosnian town of Srebrenica.
Aleksander Cvetkovic immigrated to Israel with his wife, who is Jewish, and children in 2006 and received Israeli citizenship, said a statement from the Israeli Justice Ministry.
The Israeli state prosecutor's office received an extradition request for him last August from the Bosnian government. The decision to open an extradition process came after months of examining evidence.
That evidence exposes shocking details of the massacre of Muslims at Braniewo farm, the ministry said.
"Hundreds of Bosnian civilians were bused to the farm handcuffed and blindfolded. They were led to the killing fields where firing squads made up of Bosnian-Serb soldiers shot them in cold blood," the ministry said.
Cvetkovic actively participated in the massacre and was one of eight soldiers in the firing squad, the state prosecutor's office said. The extradition process, it said, is part of "an international legal action that investigates and prosecutes those responsible for planning and carrying out genocide."
Of course, to the Stalkers this represents a "capitulation to Islam" on the part of Israel.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:29:50pm |
I see our politicians are using Nazis to make their points today.
Republican lawmaker compares China to Nazi regime
Democratic lawmaker compares GOP health law claims to Nazi 'lies'
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prairiefire Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:30:03pm |
re: #29 webevintage
That was a thing of beauty...
It is SO DAMN cold in here I am typing wearing my special "gloves with the fingertips cutout" so all mistakes are a product of that tonight.
School is closed tomorrow.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:30:48pm |
stupid, ignorant, whatever, you could argue that all day....but she'd a narcissistic ass that's set herself up as a punching bag...and when she's punched, she's a victim....I can't stand people like that
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jaunte Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:31:43pm |
re: #47 brookly red
There's a difference between being stupid and being ignorant.
Ignorance should be distinguished from stupidity, although both can lead to "unwise" acts. Also, if important information is available, one may fail to acquire it due to lack of intelligence (not realizing its importance, or not understanding it). [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:31:55pm |
re: #40 Buck
I see your pint!
President Obama said he was "Focused like a laser.."
...And we all now what THOSE are used for ...right?
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:32:08pm |
re: #51 albusteve
stupid, ignorant, whatever, you could argue that all day...but she'd a narcissistic ass that's set herself up as a punching bag...and when she's punched, she's a victim...I can't stand people like that
true that, but Eddie-boy Koch would never punch a woman...
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:32:17pm |
re: #31 albusteve
she deserves the abuse, and until she shuts her yap, it's going to rain down on her...the ditz has no clue and if she runs for office that rain will turn into a hurricane
hey! you never explained to me how i'm 'neanderthal'!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:32:21pm |
re: #47 brookly red
Kinda like the Bush "evil genius/moron" thing... you can't have it both ways.
That's why I always went with Bush was a moron and Cheney was an evil genius who was really behind it all when I constructed my conspiracy theories....
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:32:42pm |
re: #49 NJDhockeyfan
I see our politicians are using Nazis to make their points today.
Republican lawmaker compares China to Nazi regime
Democratic lawmaker compares GOP health law claims to Nazi 'lies'
It seems that the Magical Balance Fairy paid a visit to Capitol Hill today. She waved her magic wand and members of both parties promptly started in with the Godwin's Law violations.
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webevintage Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:33:32pm |
re: #53 reloadingisnotahobby
I see your pint!
President Obama said he was "Focused like a laser.."
...And we all now what THOSE are used for ...right?
annoying cats?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:33:51pm |
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:34:02pm |
re: #52 jaunte
There's a difference between being stupid and being ignorant.
hey, don't tell me... Ed Koch has a website go tell him.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:34:21pm |
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:34:25pm |
By the way guys in other good news, I just FINALLY managed to finish Heroic Frog mode of Zuma's revenge.
That basically means I beat the game on hard mode, while there are a lot of fiddly bits left that I could do, I probably won't for the same reason that I didn't bother trying to find all the skulls in Halo after I beat it on Legendary....
So yeah, now I can finally move onto my next Christmas Present... FIRE WARRIOR!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:34:33pm |
re: #44 lostlakehiker
Well, that's an improvement on the accuracy of the some of the commentary about her. It's bad form and bad practice to call everyone who's ignorant, self-centered, and wrong on almost everything, stupid.
What they're saying may be stupid, but they're saying it because it serves their purposes. Not because they can't figure anything out. Palin doesn't even think about the reality of the situations she speaks about. She does think about how her words will play. She's got herself a nice gig, a running vacation that pays her! She's got fame, a following, etc. It's stupid to write her off as stupid.
You could say the same for Kim Kardashian.
I don't think Palin is stupid. I think she's ignorant, self-centered, mean, shallow, arrogant, and stunningly unprepared to hold public office, but I'm sure she's bright enough.
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:34:35pm |
re: #35 jamesfirecat
The problem is that we could stop looking and her followers would still be gazing at her till their eyeballs dry up from a lack of blinking...
Even Barbara Walters lamented feeling sorry for Palin because she was getting the blame pinned to her. When that happens, it is a clear indication that it was not a good move to raise Palin's profile when she said absolutely nothing except to express condolences in the wake of the shooting. Only after Palin was getting raked over the colas in the press did she give her "blood libel" speech. Making Palin the story when there was no evidence to justify it only weakens the argument that Palin's rhetoric is too extreme.
Anyone catch Al Sharpton on Meet the Press this weekend? The debate about the shooting already moved past Palin and onto issues like mental health and gun control--the real issues in this shooting. Sharpton had nothing to add to the conversation because he only wanted to talk about cooling the overheated rhetoric. After discussing mental health, Sharpton laughably tried to bring the debate back to vitriol by saying we can't address mental health issues until we solve the vitriol problem. When Sharpton's unctuous pleas make the debate about vitriol represent what's left defending that argument, well, your argument has reached a new level of farce.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:34:38pm |
re: #56 jamesfirecat
That's why I always went with Bush was a moron and Cheney was an evil genius who was really behind it all when I constructed my conspiracy theories...
what about Carl?
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:35:29pm |
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:35:40pm |
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:35:44pm |
re: #49 NJDhockeyfan
I see our politicians are using Nazis to make their points today.
Republican lawmaker compares China to Nazi regime
Democratic lawmaker compares GOP health law claims to Nazi 'lies'
It's all about the new civil tone in politics these days !
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:36:00pm |
re: #47 brookly red
Kinda like the Bush "evil genius/moron" thing... you can't have it both ways.
Except that you can be both intelligent--in terms of your actual mental capability--and ignorant. They're two different assessments.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:36:01pm |
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prairiefire Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:36:11pm |
re: #64 BryanS
Even Barbara Walters lamented feeling sorry for Palin because she was getting the blame pinned to her. When that happens, it is a clear indication that it was not a good move to raise Palin's profile when she said absolutely nothing except to express condolences in the wake of the shooting. Only after Palin was getting raked over the colas in the press did she give her "blood libel" speech. Making Palin the story when there was no evidence to justify it only weakens the argument that Palin's rhetoric is too extreme.
Anyone catch Al Sharpton on Meet the Press this weekend? The debate about the shooting already moved past Palin and onto issues like mental health and gun control--the real issues in this shooting. Sharpton had nothing to add to the conversation because he only wanted to talk about cooling the overheated rhetoric. After discussing mental health, Sharpton laughably tried to bring the debate back to vitriol by saying we can't address mental health issues until we solve the vitriol problem. When Sharpton's unctuous pleas make the debate about vitriol represent what's left defending that argument, well, your argument has reached a new level of farce.
Please don't bother, the damage is already done.
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:36:38pm |
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:37:16pm |
re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist
Except that you can be both intelligent--in terms of your actual mental capability--and ignorant. They're two different assessments.
that sword has 2 edges...
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Buck Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:37:59pm |
re: #53 reloadingisnotahobby
I see your pint!
President Obama said he was "Focused like a laser.."
...And we all now what THOSE are used for ...right?
He also said he would bring a gun to a knife fight...
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:39:18pm |
re: #40 Buck
my pint is that it is done all the time, but certain people will only object if the right does it.
Yes, I think it is harmless...then and now.
Alright. You don't think violent rhetoric is bad? They're just words?
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:39:52pm |
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:40:14pm |
re: #74 Buck
He also said he would bring a gun to a knife fight...
so he saw the Untouchables... not the first person to repeat a line from a movie and regret it. Go ahead, make my day :)
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:41:00pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:41:19pm |
re: #73 brookly red
that sword has 2 edges...
well, you can know you are flying in an airplane, but ignorant as to how it stays in the air....the two are not mutually exclusive
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:42:43pm |
re: #74 Buck
He also said he would bring a gun to a knife fight...
a stupid thing to say IMO
not presidential, but not unexpected either
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:43:08pm |
re: #79 albusteve
well, you can know you are flying in an airplane, but ignorant as to how it stays in the air...the two are not mutually exclusive
Really?
I thought you had to believe you kept the plane up by not realizing your were in the air.
/Wile E. Coyote
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:43:37pm |
re: #48 Dark_Falcon
OT:
Israel arrests suspect in Srebrenica massacre
Of course, to the Stalkers this represents a "capitulation to Islam" on the part of Israel.
Have I mentioned recently that the stalkers can kiss my ass?
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zora Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:43:49pm |
re: #74 Buck
He also said he would bring a gun to a knife fight...
yeah, but that's just common sense.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:43:50pm |
re: #80 albusteve
a stupid thing to say IMO
not presidential, but not unexpected either
"Bring it on!"
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Buck Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:43:50pm |
re: #75 Varek Raith
Alright. You don't think violent rhetoric is bad? They're just words?
Yep, and heavy metal music is just music...
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:44:28pm |
re: #74 Buck
He also said he would bring a gun to a knife fight...
So would I ...but I'm not being rehtorical.....I'm also not a politican or the Pres...
Peace Through Superior Fire Power!
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:44:28pm |
re: #79 albusteve
well, you can know you are flying in an airplane, but ignorant as to how it stays in the air...the two are not mutually exclusive
John McCain knew how to fly an airplane...
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:44:44pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:44:53pm |
re: #49 NJDhockeyfan
I see our politicians are using Nazis to make their points today.
Republican lawmaker compares China to Nazi regime
Democratic lawmaker compares GOP health law claims to Nazi 'lies'
Cohen's over the top.
Rohrbacher has a point, although God knows what he thinks we're going to do about it.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:45:04pm |
re: #77 brookly red
so he saw the Untouchables... not the first person to repeat a line from a movie and regret it. Go ahead, make my day :)
The scene is stunningly inaccurate, though. Brian de Palma took Frank Nitti's nickname of "The Enforcer" far too literally. Nitti had done some killing in the first part of the 1920's but by 1930 those days were long over. And he never used a Thompson submachinegun (which did not see use in Chicago as a gang weapon until 1925). The Outfit's ace Tommy gunner in 1930 was John "Machine Gun Jack" McGurn.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:45:17pm |
re: #82 Varek Raith
Really?
I thought you had to believe you kept the plane up by not realizing your were in the air.
/Wile E. Coyote
too much Acme juice
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:45:25pm |
re: #87 Buck
Yep, and heavy metal music is just music...
Ok, I understand were you're coming from now.
Do you apply the same standard to, say, violent rhetoric coming from radical Imams and/or Mosques?
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:46:06pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:46:40pm |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
You could say the same for Kim Kardashian.
I don't think Palin is stupid. I think she's ignorant, self-centered, mean, shallow, arrogant, and stunningly unprepared to hold public office, but I'm sure she's bright enough.
Hey! I have an idea for Sarah Palin! Thinking of Kardashian brought it to me.
Sarah needs to have a line of perfumes!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:47:03pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
Have I mentioned recently that the stalkers can kiss my ass?
You have, but I don't want them to do so. They are unworthy to touch you, even to do that.
/I know, I know
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:47:08pm |
re: #93 albusteve
too much Acme juice
The bastards at Acme refuse to give me a refund! I use their devices as per the instructions and all I get is hurt!
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:47:32pm |
re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist
Cohen's over the top.
Rohrbacher has a point, although God knows what he thinks we're going to do about it.
Agreed. At least he's letting them know how most Americans feel about them, not that they care what we think.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:47:38pm |
re: #89 brookly red
John McCain knew how to fly an airplane...
he also knew how to operate an ejection seat
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sod Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:47:40pm |
re: #36 webevintage
I had to read your comment out loud to my wife. She heard me laughing and came in and said: "You reading those comments again?"
We are constantly at odds over the house temperature. She's walking around with a hot water bottle and I'm in shorts and a t-shirt.
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:48:02pm |
re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist
Hey! I have an idea for Sarah Palin! Thinking of Kardashian brought it to me.
Sarah needs to have a line of perfumes!
The transformation into Paris Hilton would then be complete!
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:48:03pm |
re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist
That's funny for all the wrong reasons....but had to ding you!
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:48:39pm |
re: #92 Dark_Falcon
The scene is stunningly inaccurate, though. Brian de Palma took Frank Nitti's nickname of "The Enforcer" far too literally. Nitti had done some killing in the first part of the 1920's but by 1930 those days were long over. And he never used a Thompson submachinegun (which did not see use in Chicago as a gang weapon until 1925). The Outfit's ace Tommy gunner in 1930 was John "Machine Gun Jack" McGurn.
Nitti, Capone, the whole crew grew up a few blocks from here... we never asked for the feds to pay for a museum.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:49:36pm |
re: #92 Dark_Falcon
The scene is stunningly inaccurate, though. Brian de Palma took Frank Nitti's nickname of "The Enforcer" far too literally. Nitti had done some killing in the first part of the 1920's but by 1930 those days were long over. And he never used a Thompson submachinegun (which did not see use in Chicago as a gang weapon until 1925). The Outfit's ace Tommy gunner in 1930 was John "Machine Gun Jack" McGurn.
it's a movie...people dig the rat-ta-ta-tat
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:50:44pm |
re: #107 Alaska Kim
Obvious troll is obvious..
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:50:56pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:51:13pm |
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Alaska Kim Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:51:42pm |
re: #108 Varek Raith
Obvious troll is obvious..
not a troll... just waiting for an answer to what he started...
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:51:53pm |
re: #82 Varek Raith
Really?
I thought you had to believe you kept the plane up by not realizing your were in the air.
/Wile E. Coyote
That only works until you're about ten yards out from the edge of the cliff.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:52:08pm |
re: #105 brookly red
Nitti, Capone, the whole crew grew up a few blocks from here... we never asked for the feds to pay for a museum.
True. But neither did Chicago.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:53:35pm |
re: #114 Dark_Falcon
True. But neither did Chicago.
/they are a federally funded museum...
OK I gotta go get beer & pizza. Be back later
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:53:35pm |
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:53:42pm |
re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist
That only works until you're about ten yards out from the edge of the cliff.
Have you ever had a gallon of Tunnel Paint that worked??
I think it's a scam!!;-)
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:54:28pm |
re: #112 Alaska Kim
not a troll... just waiting for an answer to what he started...
Ah, you're just asking questions. Nothing trollish there, no ma'am...
/sarc
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engineer cat Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:54:32pm |
i don't mind sarah being on teevee
i love the fear it strikes into the republicans in congress as they witness the flight of one of the four spokespersons of the wingnut apocalypse
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:55:10pm |
re: #118 reloadingisnotahobby
Have you ever had a gallon of Tunnel Paint that worked??
I think it's a scam!!;-)
You can only get the real stuff from Acme.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:57:06pm |
re: #107 Alaska Kim
Alaska Troll is back.
Time to go put some Bach on again. It seems to be good Troll repellent.
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webevintage Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:57:31pm |
re: #99 Varek Raith
The bastards at Acme refuse to give me a refund! I use their devices as per the instructions and all I get is hurt!
Everyone knows it is the fault of that damn Road Runner....
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:57:51pm |
re: #121 NJDhockeyfan
It was...
As soon as I'm out of this wheel chair ...I'm suing and I'll own ACME!
......and that damn Trucking company!!
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:59:17pm |
re: #122 wlewisiii
Alaska Troll is back.
Time to go put some Bach on again. It seems to be good Troll repellent.
"Ahhhhh...Bach."
~ Radar O'Reilly
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:59:42pm |
re: #123 webevintage
Everyone knows it is the fault of that damn Road Runner...
yup, our state bird here in enchanted New Mexico
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:01:13pm |
re: #126 albusteve
Ours is the Flying Rat!!(Seagull)
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:02:19pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:03:10pm |
re: #127 reloadingisnotahobby
Ours is the Flying Rat!!(Seagull)
no way....how...how....
how is that?
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:03:54pm |
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engineer cat Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:05:56pm |
re: #122 wlewisiii
Alaska Troll is back.
Time to go put some Bach on again. It seems to be good Troll repellent.
i'll see your js and raise you montiverdi's wonderful lullaby oblivion soave:
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:06:38pm |
re: #130 albusteve
Utah...Long story short..Crops being destroyed by Mormon Crickets..
Along come millions of Seagulls...eat the crickets ...save the crops!
Haven't been able to get rid of them since!!
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:07:57pm |
re: #128 albusteve
even if you have no taste for Bach, at least check out the monstrous organ this guy is playing with
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:09:50pm |
re: #133 reloadingisnotahobby
Utah...Long story short..Crops being destroyed by Mormon Crickets..
Along come millions of Seagulls...eat the crickets ...save the crops!
Haven't been able to get rid of them since!!
I've heard that tale....interesting, but too bad
noisiest sonofabitches ever invented when they get to yammering
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:09:56pm |
Gotta go...American Idols on...Swooon..J Lo
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:11:39pm |
re: #135 albusteve
..LOL MINE..MINE ..MINE ...MINE MINE...
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:12:59pm |
re: #133 reloadingisnotahobby
Utah...Long story short..Crops being destroyed by Mormon Crickets..
Along come millions of Seagulls...eat the crickets ...save the crops!
Haven't been able to get rid of them since!!
A Seagull walks into a convenience store…
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:13:38pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:14:11pm |
re: #127 reloadingisnotahobby
Ours is the Flying Rat!!(Seagull)
California's is the California Valley Quail. They are freaking adorable.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:17:12pm |
re: #122 wlewisiii
Alaska Troll is back.
Time to go put some Bach on again. It seems to be good Troll repellent.
love Bach...
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Kragar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:17:49pm |
re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist
California's is the California Valley Quail. They are freaking adorable.
And delicious.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:19:19pm |
The troll has scurried back down its hole. So there will be no grilling tonight.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:20:16pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:20:53pm |
re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And delicious.
Probably. Never tried one.
I love the feather that sproings out of their foreheads like a 50s lady's hat. And the way they walk.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:22:52pm |
re: #144 Dark_Falcon
The troll has scurried back down its hole. So there will be no grilling tonight.
Bach really does scared it away!
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:22:59pm |
re: #145 Dark_Falcon
Me too. I thank my father for introducing me to it.
Beethoven good, Rachmaninov good, Handel good, happy droogie here :)
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Peter Kaufman Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:23:25pm |
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Palin is the apotheosis of what happens when you combine unstoppable ambition with utter incompetence. She is Lina Lamont.
"People? I ain't people!"
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:23:56pm |
re: #144 Dark_Falcon
The troll has scurried back down its hole. So there will be no grilling tonight.
I got a garden hose & some m-80s?
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:24:04pm |
re: #144 Dark_Falcon
The troll has scurried back down its hole. So there will be no grilling tonight.
I knew the Brandenburg #3 would do it!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:24:53pm |
I once saw a hillside covered in quail.
They make wonderful sounds to communicate!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:25:23pm |
re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist
Probably. Never tried one.
I love the feather that sproings out of their foreheads like a 50s lady's hat. And the way they walk.
I love 50 ladies hats. The Birds, Rear Window etc.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:26:14pm |
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darthstar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:27:50pm |
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:28:25pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:28:55pm |
re: #154 brookly red
Touches the soul.
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darthstar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:31:21pm |
re: #156 brookly red
says the dead head...
Hey...with all those paths to choose from, how do you know which one is your own?
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:31:40pm |
re: #158 brookly red
Any music that has endured over 200 years, is magical!
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:33:06pm |
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:34:33pm |
re: #160 Floral Giraffe
Any music that has endured over 200 years, is magical!
If you look hard you can find CDs by the East German Philharmonic... the wall came down & so did their prices...
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:35:53pm |
re: #159 darthstar
Hey...with all those paths to choose from, how do you know which one is your own?
[Video]
easy, the one I am on...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:37:15pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:37:35pm |
re: #162 brookly red
Inherited Dad's library.
Wish he'd known we shared some musical favorites.
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Kragar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:38:05pm |
re: #160 Floral Giraffe
Any music that has endured over 200 years, is magical!
Can't beat fife and drum corps.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:41:56pm |
re: #164 Dark_Falcon
Well, even Albusteve respects the Dead:
[Video]
oh yeah, one of the best vids ever....makin me sentimental
good time bro...really good times
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:43:27pm |
re: #165 Floral Giraffe
Inherited Dad's library.
Wish he'd known we shared some musical favorites.
Don't it always seem to go...
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:46:10pm |
Oooh, got some Tartini here too... all concerto's. Sweet.
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Tigger2005 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:48:17pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
It seems that the Magical Balance Fairy paid a visit to Capitol Hill today. She waved her magic wand and members of both parties promptly started in with the Godwin's Law violations.
God. What will it take to make people STOP with the stupid Nazi comparisons??? When will they get an effin' CLUE? These morons need a good slap.
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freetoken Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:48:44pm |
Speaking of the maliciously stupid, Lew Rockwell's site is still pushing the evils of vaccinations. They today posted a new article trying to refute the fraudulence of Wakefield saying that the doctor is just a "scapegoat" for something or other.
This stupid doesn't burn, it kills.
Lew Rockwell has played a non-trivial part in the surge of idiocy that has worked its way up the political chain.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:48:55pm |
Grateful Dead...
at the right venue, when the sound was perfect, the band rested and hot...a Dead show was one of the most lively, colorful events you could ever do...their die hard fans were certainly unique characters and there was always a ton of them there, following the band from show to show...you had to be there
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rwmofo Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:48:56pm |
So I was trying to sort out who's the dumbest guy in Washington. I think it's a tie between Biden and Reid.
What a couple of boobs.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:50:21pm |
re: #173 freetoken
Speaking of the maliciously stupid, Lew Rockwell's site is still pushing the evils of vaccinations. They today posted a new article trying to refute the fraudulence of Wakefield saying that the doctor is just a "scapegoat" for something or other.
This stupid doesn't burn, it kills.
Lew Rockwell has played a non-trivial part in the surge of idiocy that has worked its way up the political chain.
well actually we were speaking of classical music, but carry on
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:50:35pm |
re: #172 Tigger2005
God. What will it take to make people STOP with the stupid Nazi comparisons??? When will they get an effin' CLUE? These morons need a good slap.
I've been thinking more and more lately, a good head butt here and there might help....I am beyond annoyed, and I have little enough respect for pundits and elected asses
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Digital Display Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:51:19pm |
re: #170 brookly red
Don't it always seem to go...
That you don't know what you got till it's gone
They paved paradise
and put up a parking lot
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BishopX Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:51:56pm |
re: #175 rwmofo
No way, neither of them come close to hank Johnson, of Guam Tipping Fame.
Islands how do they work.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:52:15pm |
re: #172 Tigger2005
God. What will it take to make people STOP with the stupid Nazi comparisons??? When will they get an effin' CLUE? These morons need a good slap.
yes Cohen was a bit over the top today...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:52:27pm |
re: #173 freetoken
Speaking of the maliciously stupid, Lew Rockwell's site is still pushing the evils of vaccinations. They today posted a new article trying to refute the fraudulence of Wakefield saying that the doctor is just a "scapegoat" for something or other.
This stupid doesn't burn, it kills.
Lew Rockwell has played a non-trivial part in the surge of idiocy that has worked its way up the political chain.
Thankfully, this is a shriek in retreat from Rockwell. The recent expose about Wakefield has put the anti-vaxers on the back foot, to use the British expression.
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rwmofo Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:54:09pm |
re: #179 BishopX
No way, neither of them come close to hank Johnson, of Guam Tipping Fame.
Islands how do they work.
Heh. OK, I guess that was a one-boob joke.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:54:40pm |
Because we're doing music...
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:56:10pm |
re: #176 brookly red
well actually we were speaking of classical music, but carry on
oh, I am covering for Walter, as best I can... ;)
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:57:20pm |
re: #183 Floral Giraffe
Because we're doing music...
[Video]
Plenty of of snow covered hills in Chicagoland right now. [waves]
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:57:30pm |
Watching "The Merchant of Venice". The Al Pacino one.
Not so impressed so far.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:58:42pm |
re: #175 rwmofo
So I was trying to sort out who's the dumbest guy in Washington. I think it's a tie between Biden and Reid.
What a couple of boobs.
Biden, Reid is not dumb... he knows exactly what he is trying to do.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:59:30pm |
Comcast must be run by ACME, given the degree with just how stable their internet network is.
Oh, well.
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freetoken Wed, Jan 19, 2011 7:59:35pm |
re: #181 Dark_Falcon
The problem is, Rockwell and his followers aren't going to retreat. They will just repackage their product and sell it to a whole new generation. Rockwell and his kin have been at this for decades and just like Pat Buchanan they know that fashions come and go quickly.
If you would have asked someone 11 years ago (the much celebrated year 2000) if Cleon Skousen's (and the JBS's) beliefs would be turned into a hit TV show that influences the beliefs of many, and that it would become an element in American politics, would that person in 2000 say "of course" or would they have scratched their heads? And yet now we have Glen Beck - superstar of most watched cable news network.
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Digital Display Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:00:31pm |
re: #184 brookly red
oh, I am covering for Walter, as best I can... ;)
Walter is probably sitting in a Cafe in Paris right now with his raspberry beret trash talking us right now..
Zee Americans..They are shite to me..
*wink*
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:00:43pm |
re: #190 Varek Raith
Comcast must be run by ACME, given the degree with just how stable their internet network is.
Oh, well.
I have perfect service here in ABQ
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:01:46pm |
re: #192 HoosierHoops
Walter is probably sitting in a Cafe in Paris right now with his raspberry beret trash talking us right now..
Zee Americans..They are shite to me..
*wink*
le traitere!
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rwmofo Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:04:17pm |
re: #192 HoosierHoops
Walter is probably sitting in a Cafe in Paris right now with his raspberry beret trash talking us right now..
Zee Americans..They are shite to me..
*wink*
I've often wondered where Walter was coming from. It's kinda like watching a moth flying around a flashing strobe-light.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:05:37pm |
re: #191 freetoken
The problem is, Rockwell and his followers aren't going to retreat. They will just repackage their product and sell it to a whole new generation. Rockwell and his kin have been at this for decades and just like Pat Buchanan they know that fashions come and go quickly.
If you would have asked someone 11 years ago (the much celebrated year 2000) if Cleon Skousen's (and the JBS's) beliefs would be turned into a hit TV show that influences the beliefs of many, and that it would become an element in American politics, would that person in 2000 say "of course" or would they have scratched their heads? And yet now we have Glen Beck - superstar of most watched cable news network.
No, they won't do so willingly. But they can be discredited enough to keep them from doing much damage for a while. Keeping these scum pruned back is the best that can be done. To fully discredit them for good, you'd need a modern-day mass epidemic that was stopped by vaccines. That's the only thing that would make fear of disease overwhelmingly more important than fear of side effects in the public mind.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:08:28pm |
re: #196 rwmofo
I've often wondered where Walter was coming from. It's kinda like watching a moth flying around a flashing strobe-light.
It helps if you understand that Walter is the one holding the strobe light.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:08:32pm |
re: #197 Dark_Falcon
No, they won't do so willingly. But they can be discredited enough to keep them from doing much damage for a while. Keeping these scum pruned back is the best that can be done. To fully discredit them for good, you'd need a modern-day mass epidemic that was stopped by vaccines. That's the only thing that would make fear of disease overwhelmingly more important than fear of side effects in the public mind.
they would simply blow off vaccines and claim 'Gods will'....he and his followers are zealous, they will never admit defeat....a lot of that going around these days so it's almost normal to construct a reality then swear to it
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:08:46pm |
re: #192 HoosierHoops
Walter is probably sitting in a Cafe in Paris right now with his raspberry beret trash talking us right now..
Zee Americans..They are shite to me..
*wink*
well let's see, it is 6 in the morning there, my guess he is getting over charged for a crescent roll & a cup of coffee...
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:09:33pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
It helps if you understand that Walter is the one holding the strobe light.
touche
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:09:39pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
It helps if you understand that Walter is the one holding the strobe light.
LOL!
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rwmofo Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:10:43pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
It helps if you understand that Walter is the one holding the strobe light.
Heh.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:11:49pm |
re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
[Video]
that's some obscure stuff...I think Ronnie passed away this year
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:12:27pm |
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:13:07pm |
re: #12 Buck
Gunsite sighting!
Well someone didn't get the memo on stopping the hateful rhetoric.
[Link: walmartfreedc.org...]
Just another day at the Equivalency Fail Office for good ole Uncle Buck.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:14:21pm |
re: #208 palomino
Just another day at the Equivalency Fail Office for good ole Uncle Buck.
Clearly the smiley is a surveyor.
Clearly.
/
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Digital Display Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:15:18pm |
re: #201 brookly red
well let's see, it is 6 in the morning there, my guess he is getting over charged for a crescent roll & a cup of coffee...
LOL
On the phone Walter is such a sweet gentle spirit...He is nothing like he posts here..I really like him
Log in now from Paris and defy me now Bitch
*wink*
/Good people that Walter
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:15:24pm |
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:15:28pm |
re: #55 Alaska Kim
hey! you never explained to me how i'm 'neanderthal'!
It's self-evident...no explanation needed.
Anyone who spends this much time cheerleading for Palin--well, enough said.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:15:58pm |
re: #208 palomino
Just another day at the Equivalency Fail Office for good ole Uncle Buck.
I actually think he has a point. That crosshairs meme is used all the time by both parties.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:16:41pm |
re: #210 HoosierHoops
Hope you are surviving thriving in the winter?
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Kragar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:16:49pm |
re: #206 albusteve
that's some obscure stuff...I think Ronnie passed away this year
Yeah, last year.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:17:12pm |
re: #213 Dark_Falcon
I actually think he has a point. That crosshairs meme is used all the time by both parties.
Duh, no shit...
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:18:36pm |
re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
LOL! Love the dancing duckettes!
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:19:20pm |
re: #64 BryanS
Even Barbara Walters lamented feeling sorry for Palin because she was getting the blame pinned to her. When that happens, it is a clear indication that it was not a good move to raise Palin's profile when she said absolutely nothing except to express condolences in the wake of the shooting. Only after Palin was getting raked over the colas in the press did she give her "blood libel" speech. Making Palin the story when there was no evidence to justify it only weakens the argument that Palin's rhetoric is too extreme.
Anyone catch Al Sharpton on Meet the Press this weekend? The debate about the shooting already moved past Palin and onto issues like mental health and gun control--the real issues in this shooting. Sharpton had nothing to add to the conversation because he only wanted to talk about cooling the overheated rhetoric. After discussing mental health, Sharpton laughably tried to bring the debate back to vitriol by saying we can't address mental health issues until we solve the vitriol problem. When Sharpton's unctuous pleas make the debate about vitriol represent what's left defending that argument, well, your argument has reached a new level of farce.
Have you missed the polls over the last two years? Whenever Palin gets her "profile raised," it's great for her reality show/celebutard career. But it pretty much does the opposite for her politically. People may find her intriguing, but she becomes a less viable candidate when the public sees her shallow, off-key, woe is me, victim act.
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Digital Display Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:19:34pm |
re: #214 Floral Giraffe
Hope you are
survivingthriving in the winter?
No snow yet! How are you doing?
/I hate the wind blowing all the time..But what can you do?
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:20:10pm |
re: #210 HoosierHoops
LOL
On the phone Walter is such a sweet gentle spirit...He is nothing like he posts here..I really like him
Log in now from Paris and defy me now Bitch
*wink*
/Good people that Walter
agreed....he loves to fuck with people, but I don't think he's like that privately at all
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:20:46pm |
re: #74 Buck
He also said he would bring a gun to a knife fight...
Jesus Christ, douchebag, that saying goes back decades. He's hardly the first to use it. And have you ever heard of a metaphor?
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:20:51pm |
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:21:19pm |
re: #218 palomino
Have you missed the polls over the last two years? Whenever Palin gets her "profile raised," it's great for her reality show/celebutard career. But it pretty much does the opposite for her politically. People may find her intriguing, but she becomes a less viable candidate when the public sees her shallow, off-key, woe is me, victim act.
yet here we are talking about her... who is this public you claim to speak for?
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prairiefire Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:21:37pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
It helps if you understand that Walter is the one holding the strobe light.
You so smart, gal.
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Kragar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:22:16pm |
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:22:20pm |
re: #78 NJDhockeyfan
It's the Chicago Way™ !
Really, why don't you enlighten us as to the Chicago Way. How has it impacted Obama's presidency and governing style? How would things be different if we had President Hillary (who really is from Chicago)?
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:22:28pm |
re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
As kids, we got dragged to Disneyland's concerts a LOT by the folks.
We mostly slept through them. I do remember Benny Goodman & Peggy Lee.
This is about the right vintage. I would've been under 10.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:23:34pm |
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:23:43pm |
re: #226 palomino
Really, why don't you enlighten us as to the Chicago Way. How has it impacted Obama's presidency and governing style? How would things be different if we had President Hillary (who really is from Chicago)?
so much so she bought a seat from NY!
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:23:46pm |
re: #87 Buck
Yep, and heavy metal music is just music...
What are you? 400 years old?
"OMG, Ethel, they're listening to heavy metal and slaughtering children in satanic rituals!"
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prairiefire Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:23:58pm |
re: #210 HoosierHoops
LOL
On the phone Walter is such a sweet gentle spirit...He is nothing like he posts here..I really like him
Log in now from Paris and defy me now Bitch
*wink*
/Good people that Walter
He will generously give any lizard guided tours of Colorado sights.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:25:57pm |
re: #231 prairiefire
He will generously give any lizard guided tours of Colorado sights.
just stand back from the edge...
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:26:25pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
It helps if you understand that Walter is the one holding the strobe light.
AND, that he has acting experience.
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rwmofo Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:26:27pm |
re: #218 palomino
Have you missed the polls over the last two years? Whenever Palin gets her "profile raised," it's great for her reality show/celebutard career. But it pretty much does the opposite for her politically. People may find her intriguing, but she becomes a less viable candidate when the public sees her shallow, off-key, woe is me, victim act.
I'm in my 50s. I'm a grandfather. I've never seen this kind of daily hatred and hostility directed toward an individual in my lifetime. And it's against a woman. What the hell did she do to you? The time, energy and vitriol spent on the Sarah Palin Hate Train is really unbelievable and pathetic. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail one day.
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prairiefire Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:26:55pm |
re: #227 Floral Giraffe
Did your folks belong to Club 33 at Disneyland?:[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:27:41pm |
re: #235 rwmofo
I'm in my 50s. I'm a grandfather. I've never seen this kind of daily hatred and hostility directed toward an individual in my lifetime. And it's against a woman. What the hell did she do to you? The time, energy and vitriol spent on the Sarah Palin Hate Train is really unbelievable and pathetic. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail one day.
Wasn't MLK killed in your lifetime? Wasn't Kennedy killed in your lifetime?
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prairiefire Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:27:51pm |
re: #235 rwmofo
She hates me. She thinks I want to weaken America and feed her to her enemies.
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:27:51pm |
re: #213 Dark_Falcon
I actually think he has a point. That crosshairs meme is used all the time by both parties.
With the names of the specific "targets"? At a time when the movement actively spreads erroneous info about Obama "taking our guns away" and repealing the 2nd Amendment? At a time when gun sales are through the roof for no reason other than irrational fear on the far right?
Context matters.
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Kragar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:27:57pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
[Video]
The thing to remember with this next video its this;
"HOLY SHIT, FUCKING NINJAS!"
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:29:13pm |
re: #226 palomino
Really, why don't you enlighten us as to the Chicago Way. How has it impacted Obama's presidency and governing style? How would things be different if we had President Hillary (who really is from Chicago)?
Park Ridge, actually. It's a Near Northwest suburb of Chicago. It's only real landmark is the Pickwick Theater, which has been showing movies since the late 1920's. It's Art Deco exterior is quite distinctive and has helped keep it going all these years, as does its prime location at Touhy and Northwest Highway.
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:29:22pm |
re: #223 brookly red
yet here we are talking about her... who is this public you claim to speak for?
We're all part of it, so what? We love train wrecks too. Doesn't mean we're gonna vote for one for Prez.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:29:26pm |
re: #235 rwmofo
I'm in my 50s. I'm a grandfather. I've never seen this kind of daily hatred and hostility directed toward an individual in my lifetime. And it's against a woman. What the hell did she do to you? The time, energy and vitriol spent on the Sarah Palin Hate Train is really unbelievable and pathetic. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail one day.
Thank you. It gets to a point where no decent person can stand for it... thank you & thank Ed Koch.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:30:42pm |
re: #238 prairiefire
She hates me. She thinks I want to weaken America and feed her to her enemies.
The hilarity of a shill telling me that Sarah Palin is the most hated person of the last 50+ years, that is hella rich, that is solid platinum
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:31:34pm |
re: #229 brookly red
so much so she bought a seat from NY!
uhh, she was born and raised in Chicago. Kinda hard to go back 30 years later and pick right up. NY made a little more sense, maybe not much.
Buying the seat was wrong. We'd be so much better off with Jeannine (Page 10) Pirro, who is shockingly better than most gop candidates in NY (think Paladino).
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:31:49pm |
Drudge: Michelle Obama wears communist red!
OMG!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:31:59pm |
re: #236 prairiefire
Did your folks belong to Club 33 at Disneyland?:[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
My parents have been there! They're not part of the club per se, but they know people in the Disney biz :D
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:32:26pm |
re: #242 palomino
We're all part of it, so what? We love train wrecks too. Doesn't mean we're gonna vote for one for Prez.
you hate is noticed, what can I say?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:32:48pm |
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:33:11pm |
re: #223 brookly red
yet here we are talking about her... who is this public you claim to speak for?
Public I claim to speak for is the majority of Americans (58%) who have an overall negative opinion of Palin, and the similarly high numbers who wouldn't vote for her.
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Kragar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:33:13pm |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
Drudge: Michelle Obama wears communist red!
OMG!
American flag covered by communist stripes!
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prairiefire Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:33:18pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:33:32pm |
ACLU sues King County, wants Israel 'war crime' bus ads to run
The ACLU of Washington, representing a group that purchased a bus ad alleging Israeli war crimes, sued King County Wednesday over its decision to cancel the ad before it appeared.
The lawsuit in U.S. District Court claims that King County violated the group's First Amendment rights and asks the court to order the county to run the ad for four weeks on the sides of 12 buses, as Metro and its ad agency originally agreed to do.
...The ad, which never appeared on Metro buses, showed children looking at a bomb-damaged building in Gaza and these words: "Israeli war crimes — Your tax dollars at work."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:33:43pm |
re: #248 brookly red
you hate is noticed, what can I say?
Man I totally want a quitter who doesn't make much sense for president
Maybe America deserves mediocrity
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:34:11pm |
re: #236 prairiefire
My favorite "missed oportuntity" story is from Art Linkletter, his "crazy" friend wanted him to invest in real estate, and he didn't. His friend? Walt Disney. The real estate? Anaheim! LOL!
Yes, the folks were members of the club.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:34:36pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:34:36pm |
re: #252 prairiefire
Jealous!
7 inches of snow since 2PM here on the prairie:[Link: imgur.com...]
My mother is a Disney obsessive, she goes to DL or WDW every year *_*
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:35:00pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
Friends, that I went clubbing with, a long time ago. Dive bars!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:35:03pm |
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jaunte Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:35:21pm |
re: #235 rwmofo
I'm in my 50s. I'm a grandfather. I've never seen this kind of daily hatred and hostility directed toward an individual in my lifetime.
Let's see...
Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter...
Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr.,
Kerry, Obama...
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:35:40pm |
re: #254 WindUpBird
Man I totally want a quitter who doesn't make much sense for president
Maybe America deserves mediocrity
yes of course, carry on...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:35:48pm |
re: #253 NJDhockeyfan
ACLU sues King County, wants Israel 'war crime' bus ads to run
OK, can we call those ads a blood liable, because I think they fit the traditional definition.
Not kidding.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:36:16pm |
re: #260 jaunte
Let's see...
Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter...
Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr.,
Kerry, Obama...
hahahahahahaha
Remember when Clinton was accused of murder, like, all the time?
Oh how soon the mofo fergit
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:37:10pm |
re: #260 jaunte
Let's see...
Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter...
Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr.,
Kerry, Obama...
You forgot Gore.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:37:13pm |
re: #261 brookly red
yes of course, carry on...
it's going to be a constant stream of comedy if she runs
"All of them!"
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freetoken Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:37:14pm |
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but the Buffalo Beast has come out with their list of the worst of 2010:
The 50 Most Loathsome Americans of 2010
Geller comes in at #12:
12) Pamela Geller
Charges: The Woodward to Orly Taitz’s Bernstein, publisher of the mendacious blog Atlas Shrugs and co-founder of the hate group Stop Islamization of America. She was the bigoted fountainhead of hysteria over the “Ground Zero Mosque,” which is neither a mosque, nor located at Ground Zero, but rather a former, and totally sacred, Burlington Coat Factory. Her pathological falsehoods include, but are not limited to, the claims that the Bosnian Genocide was actually a clever Muslim mass-suicide/sympathy campaign, Obama—the undercover Muslim—is the love child of Malcolm X, his mom was a porno worker, and that Jewish Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan is a Nazi. This lunatic makes Ann Coulter seem the very model of civility, reason and grace.
Aggravating factor: “I don’t know where it is in America that you can’t make jokes or make fun.”
Sentence: Sharia Law in a five-foot radius around Pam Geller.
Palin came in at #6.
It's a brutal look at America in 2010.
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prairiefire Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:37:20pm |
re: #255 Floral Giraffe
My favorite "missed oportuntity" story is from Art Linkletter, his "crazy" friend wanted him to invest in real estate, and he didn't. His friend? Walt Disney. The real estate? Anaheim! LOL!
Yes, the folks were members of the club.
Oh, I've got one! My grandpa's friend, Ray Kroc, offered him early franchises for his hamburger joint. My grandpa said "I'm not going to flip burgers for a living!"
I've read the wait list is 12 years long now to get into the club. It just makes me want to see it. Did you get to go?
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:37:56pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:38:04pm |
re: #241 Dark_Falcon
I love historic buildings. Here's a cool LA tour, the Howard Hughes Factory!
I;m looking forward to it! I'm a 25 year member of the conservancy. Don't support EVERYTHING they do, but the tours are awesome!
[Link: secure2.convio.net...]
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:38:11pm |
re: #262 Dark_Falcon
OK, can we call those ads a blood liable, because I think they fit the traditional definition.
Not kidding.
so the ACLU supports inflammatory lies, and is gonna shake down King County now?....I'm not surprised...I think their time has passed
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:38:17pm |
re: #264 reine.de.tout
You forgot Gore.
Soros.
Alinsky, who I never heard of before a couple of years ago.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:38:41pm |
re: #235 rwmofo
Hopefully cooler heads will prevail one day.
... and realize that Sarah Palin is a "nothing". An unelectable attention whore.
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rwmofo Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:38:49pm |
re: #253 NJDhockeyfan
ACLU sues King County, wants Israel 'war crime' bus ads to run
Does the ACLU just reflexively take the wrong side on every issue or do they ever get it right?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:39:14pm |
re: #268 brookly red
/you right... I still don't like him ;)
heh.
I like him MUCH better out of politics, than I ever did when he was in politics. He's not really a natural politician. He seems much happier out of it.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:39:28pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:39:32pm |
re: #274 rwmofo
Does the ACLU just reflexively take the wrong side on every issue or do they ever get it right?
FREE SPEECH HOW DO IT WORK
DERP DERP DERP
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:39:40pm |
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:39:52pm |
re: #273 Slumbering Behemoth
... and realize that Sarah Palin is a "nothing". An unelectable attention whore.
oh how you guys love the whore word...
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prairiefire Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:39:52pm |
re: #257 WindUpBird
My mother is a Disney obsessive, she goes to DL or WDW every year *_*
I could be if I had a lot of cash and lived in Cali. I've been to Disneyland once when my daughter was 2. I look like a maniac in the photos, I'm grinning so big.
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:39:54pm |
re: #255 Floral Giraffe
My favorite "missed oportuntity" story is from Art Linkletter, his "crazy" friend wanted him to invest in real estate, and he didn't. His friend? Walt Disney. The real estate? Anaheim! LOL!
Yes, the folks were members of the club.
Disney was sneaky when it came to real estate, not sure I entirely agree with all the legal moves involved but it is what it is... I think going into real estate with him coulda left you burned... See Reedy Creek Improvement District
Fun things include:
Among the powers of a Drainage District were the power to condemn and acquire property outside its boundaries "for the public use". It used this power at least once to obtain land for Canal C-1 (Bonnet Creek) through land that is now being developed as the Bonnet Creek Resort, a non-Disney resort.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:40:20pm |
re: #269 Floral Giraffe
I love historic buildings. Here's a cool LA tour, the Howard Hughes Factory!
I;m looking forward to it! I'm a 25 year member of the conservancy. Don't support EVERYTHING they do, but the tours are awesome!
[Link: secure2.convio.net...]
Then you need to come to Chicago someday. The Loop area is chock-full of historic buildings and many others are to be found around Chicago.
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ozbloke Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:40:24pm |
re: #269 Floral Giraffe
I love historic buildings. Here's a cool LA tour, the Howard Hughes Factory!
I;m looking forward to it! I'm a 25 year member of the conservancy. Don't support EVERYTHING they do, but the tours are awesome!
[Link: secure2.convio.net...]
Hi Floral,
Hope this finds you well.
Your link doesn't work for me.
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:40:44pm |
re: #235 rwmofo
I'm in my 50s. I'm a grandfather. I've never seen this kind of daily hatred and hostility directed toward an individual in my lifetime. And it's against a woman. What the hell did she do to you? The time, energy and vitriol spent on the Sarah Palin Hate Train is really unbelievable and pathetic. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail one day.
Where were you when Obama was immediately attacked as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Woodrow Wilson and all other form of despot? That stuff started immediately after his inauguration, in huge rallies (nothing of that sort anti-Palin has happened) and it hasn't abated given the tea party antics.
And well before the primaries started Obama's love of America, citizenship, hand over heart during Pledge, supposed use of Quran for Senate inauguration, etc., had all started.
So, YEAH, we've all seen this before, over the past few years. And the reason Palin gets the abuse is the media spotlight she seeks is a double edged sword.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:40:46pm |
re: #267 prairiefire
Yes, but I slept through most of it. I was a kid, and not interested at the time.
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Big Joe Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:40:47pm |
re: #274 rwmofo
Does the ACLU just reflexively take the wrong side on every issue or do they ever get it right?
They did defend Rush Limbaugh.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:41:15pm |
I see granpa partisan re: #282 prairiefire
I could be if I had a lot of cash and lived in Cali. I've been to Disneyland once when my daughter was 2. I look like a maniac in the photos, I'm grinning so big.
I was a fan of the old Epcot Center, before they moved it away from education and Real Future Stuff and more towards a normal attraction
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:41:23pm |
re: #274 rwmofo
Does the ACLU just reflexively take the wrong side on every issue or do they ever get it right?
no, they carefully study their targets to see who will fold the easiest...they intimidate first....when was the last time you heard of them in court?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:41:26pm |
re: #257 WindUpBird
My mother is a Disney obsessive, she goes to DL or WDW every year *_*
I love Disney!
We took our daughter when she was 8.
She never wanted to go back!
I couldn't believe it.
One of these days, I'm gonna go back.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:41:44pm |
re: #286 ozbloke
Try this one?
It's the second item on the page!
[Link: www.laconservancy.org...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:41:44pm |
re: #289 mracb
They did defend Rush Limbaugh.
BUT THEY'RE LIBERALS!?!?!
I'MMA RIGHT WING PARTISAN I DUN UNDERSTAND
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ozbloke Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:42:20pm |
re: #293 Floral Giraffe
Try this one?
It's the second item on the page!
[Link: www.laconservancy.org...]
Much better, thank you.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:42:33pm |
re: #279 WindUpBird
FREE SPEECH HOW DO IT WORK
DERP DERP DERP
what of King County's rights?....why should they submit to strong arm thugs?
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:42:41pm |
re: #262 Dark_Falcon
OK, can we call those ads a blood liable, because I think they fit the traditional definition.
Not kidding.
Have you seen the ad in question? Or are you assuming that anything that criticizes Israel up and to the point of using the phrase "war crimes" is equal to "blood libel"?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:42:43pm |
re: #292 reine.de.tout
I love Disney!
We took our daughter when she was 8.
She never wanted to go back!
I couldn't believe it.
One of these days, I'm gonna go back.
It's been a while for me, I sorta want to do DL again with a gaggle of friends
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:42:44pm |
re: #274 rwmofo
Does the ACLU just reflexively take the wrong side on every issue or do they ever get it right?
On some free-speech issues they are right, it needs to be said. But not this time. Those ads are libelous and inflammatory. That is reason to block them, IMO.
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prairiefire Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:43:16pm |
re: #288 Floral Giraffe
Yes, but I slept through most of it. I was a kid, and not interested at the time.
Aww, probably all dressed up wearing your patent leather mary janes, snoozing away.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:43:18pm |
re: #282 prairiefire
My Dad LOVED the teacups, he could help us spin until we were dizzy!
Once upon a time, in a land far, far, away.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:43:32pm |
re: #296 albusteve
what of King County's rights?...why should they submit to strong arm thugs?
Where do you see thugs? I'm see a lawsuit which is perfectly legal? Should they just roll over and die?
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:43:34pm |
re: #270 albusteve
so the ACLU supports inflammatory lies, and is gonna shake down King County now?...I'm not surprised...I think their time has passed
I'm thinking the ACLU could have stayed away from this one. I guess the issue has to be that the buses must be government owned, and therefore the first amendment could be an issue.
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:43:54pm |
re: #241 Dark_Falcon
Park Ridge, actually. It's a Near Northwest suburb of Chicago. It's only real landmark is the Pickwick Theater, which has been showing movies since the late 1920's. It's Art Deco exterior is quite distinctive and has helped keep it going all these years, as does its prime location at Touhy and Northwest Highway.
Just wondering if NJD had any substantive knowledge of the "Chicago Way" other repeating it in its common usage as a vague talking point.
Either way, it's shorthand, hardly dispositive of anything.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:44:30pm |
re: #292 reine.de.tout
Hmmm, LGF meetup at Disneyland? We might get a group rate?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:44:51pm |
What's he looking at?
Image: 610x.jpg
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:45:15pm |
re: #296 albusteve
Heh, I was gonna point out why this is so wrong... but I'm curious where you're going with this.
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:45:15pm |
re: #243 brookly red
Thank you. It gets to a point where no decent person can stand for it... thank you & thank Ed Koch.
Have you noticed LGF ain't no Palin lovefest?
You calling us indecent?
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:45:31pm |
Be more like the Soviet Union. Control the content of advertising according to their political content.
//
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rwmofo Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:46:02pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:46:19pm |
re: #281 brookly red
oh how you guys love the whore word...
You guys? Meh. She's the Paris Hilton of the far right. "Attention Whore" fits her.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:46:23pm |
re: #296 albusteve
what of King County's rights?...why should they submit to strong arm thugs?
It's actually sort of an interesting case when you think about it, advertising on a public bus, how picky can the county get (it's the county I grew up in, BTW)
So like, if King County just combed through the ideology of every ad on their busses, and rejected everything that was ideologically impure to the bus system, would that be cool?
Like, if a king county GOP candidate wanted to roll out changes in bus policy, and then KC rejected any ads for that candidate on Joe Metro, or hell, the party, if that's their platform.
basically, i'm just reacting to rwmofo being stupid and partisan about the ACLU, I really don't have the patience for the usual GOP ACLU talking points, I can get that from redstate or hannity
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:46:23pm |
re: #248 brookly red
you hate is noticed, what can I say?
If only I loved Palin the way you love Obama, right?
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:46:39pm |
And don't sue because then you'll look like thugs. How strange is that the ACLU will sue for a client. I mean. No one ever sues for 1st Amendment rights in this country.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:46:47pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:46:52pm |
re: #308 palomino
Have you noticed LGF ain't no Palin lovefest?
You calling us indecent?
Oh i'm totally indecent
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:46:59pm |
re: #235 rwmofo
Hillary nut crackers. Hillary killed Vince Foster.
Sarah Palin is an uneducated attractive woman who got to where she is on no count of her own. It's clear to thinking women, and sooooo insulting.
You dudes don't get it.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:47:14pm |
re: #294 WindUpBird
BUT THEY'RE LIBERALS!?!?!
I'MMA RIGHT WING PARTISAN I DUN UNDERSTAND
what are Israel's war crimes?....I never heard of it
who prosected the trials?...where did this take place?....are you positive you're not making up some twisted anti-Israel reality?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:47:52pm |
My first experience with qionoa: big win! Delicate earthy taste, very aromatic. I'm thinking umami
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:48:04pm |
re: #237 WindUpBird
Wasn't MLK killed in your lifetime? Wasn't Kennedy killed in your lifetime?
Point, match.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:48:13pm |
re: #302 Gus 802
Where do you see thugs? I'm see a lawsuit which is perfectly legal? Should they just roll over and die?
sounds like libel to me...what war crimes?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:48:26pm |
re: #315 NJDhockeyfan
Wrong, wrong, wrong...most of the time. When they defended NAMBLA child-molesters who killed and raped the corpse of a child, I decided they were a vile disgusting group.
[SPIT]
They defended them in a criminal case?
Really?
Because I must be reading a different article here, lol
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:48:40pm |
re: #297 Gus 802
Have you seen the ad in question? Or are you assuming that anything that criticizes Israel up and to the point of using the phrase "war crimes" is equal to "blood libel"?
When you equate Israel's precisely targeted bombing in Operation Cast Lead with 'War Crimes', you are being libelous. It was a defensive action carried out with a view towards minimizing civilian casualties and property destruction that was only launched after every attempt to peacefully stop Hamas' rain of rockets had failed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:48:45pm |
re: #318 albusteve
what are Israel's war crimes?...I never heard of it
who prosected the trials?...where did this take place?...are you positive you're not making up some twisted anti-Israel reality?
I'm not defending the ads, I'm defending the notion of the lawsuit
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:48:57pm |
re: #321 albusteve
sounds like libel to me...what war crimes?
That's up to them. Doesn't mean I have to agree with them. WTF is with this libel talk? Since when is a group libel for something like that?
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:49:12pm |
re: #308 palomino
Have you noticed LGF ain't no Palin lovefest?
You calling us indecent?
no, but I find it interesting that you feel the need to hide behind group think... so now you speak for all of LGF? interesting.
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:49:58pm |
re: #321 albusteve
So the state can decide whats libel outside of the courtroom? Interesting call for the expansion of governments powers there steve. Not your usual style but I guess if the courtroom doesn't get the results you want, look elsewhere.
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:50:00pm |
re: #274 rwmofo
Does the ACLU just reflexively take the wrong side on every issue or do they ever get it right?
No, they reflexively take the unpopular position on every issue. Sometimes they're right, sometimes--like here--they're wrong.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:50:05pm |
re: #312 WindUpBird
It's actually sort of an interesting case when you think about it, advertising on a public bus, how picky can the county get (it's the county I grew up in, BTW)
So like, if King County just combed through the ideology of every ad on their busses, and rejected everything that was ideologically impure to the bus system, would that be cool?
Like, if a king county GOP candidate wanted to roll out changes in bus policy, and then KC rejected any ads for that candidate on Joe Metro, or hell, the party, if that's their platform.
basically, i'm just reacting to rwmofo being stupid and partisan about the ACLU, I really don't have the patience for the usual GOP ACLU talking points, I can get that from redstate or hannity
what war crimes?
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:50:13pm |
re: #323 Dark_Falcon
When you equate Israel's precisely targeted bombing in Operation Cast Lead with 'War Crimes', you are being libelous. It was a defensive action carried out with a view towards minimizing civilian casualties and property destruction that was only launched after every attempt to peacefully stop Hamas' rain of rockets had failed.
So what. Freedom of speech DF. I can say the USA committed war crimes 1000 times a day over the airwaves. Dems the breaks. This isn't the Soviet Union.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:50:25pm |
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:50:39pm |
re: #323 Dark_Falcon
When you equate Israel's precisely targeted bombing in Operation Cast Lead with 'War Crimes', you are being libelous. It was a defensive action carried out with a view towards minimizing civilian casualties and property destruction that was only launched after every attempt to peacefully stop Hamas' rain of rockets had failed.
You're being libelous if you're found guilty of libel. That has not occurred in this case.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:51:19pm |
And since when does political speech like this become libelous? What is the Robert Spencer school of thought?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:51:24pm |
re: #326 brookly red
no, but I find it interesting that you feel the need to hide behind group think... so now you speak for all of LGF? interesting.
I think it's what's known as "observation"
I observe a great deal of negative comments about palin here. I observe very few positive comments. I would imagine few would disagree with me on this.
A thinking individual, upon careful analysis, may in fact conclude that a large majority of the posters here do not care for Sarah Palin!
I guess now I speak for my apartment complex when I say that their exterior walls are beige
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:51:25pm |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:51:34pm |
re: #305 Floral Giraffe
It is a small world, after all.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:52:04pm |
re: #313 palomino
If only I loved Palin the way you love Obama, right?
maybe, I dislike his policy but I never called him names... you are becoming unraveled here. Perhaps you should refrain from embarrassing your self further?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:52:05pm |
re: #329 albusteve
what war crimes?
where am I talking about the ad being a totally great ad in that post
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:52:16pm |
At that rate you might as well say that using the phrase "death panels" is libelous.
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:52:44pm |
re: #326 brookly red
no, but I find it interesting that you feel the need to hide behind group think... so now you speak for all of LGF? interesting.
I'm not hiding behind anything. You just said the Palin attacks were indecent. A LOT of us here attack Palin, rightfully so IMO. So man up, and tell us all how indecent we are.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:53:15pm |
re: #337 brookly red
maybe, I dislike his policy but I never called him names... you are becoming unraveled here. Perhaps you should refrain from embarrassing your self further?
yeah, he's just going crazy, he's off his rocker, lol
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:53:31pm |
re: #340 palomino
I'm not hiding behind anything. You just said the Palin attacks were indecent. A LOT of us here attack Palin, rightfully so IMO. So man up, and tell us all how indecent we are.
Dude! You're unraveling! Look out! :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:53:50pm |
re: #248 brookly red
you hate is noticed, what can I say?
Let it be noticed then. I really actually can't stand relatively few people in politics. I respect the strategists, even if they're assholes. I know Huckabee is a batty wannabe theocrat, but I think he's a good man at heart. I even liked George W. Bush, although we didn't agree on a whole hell of a lot except Tex-Mex cuisine.
Palin has:
a. Become a pundit. I hate a lot of pundits.
b. Made it eminently clear that she despises people like me, and thinks we do not love America or have good values.
I cordially loathe the woman. I don't try to hide it. I don't want anything worse than bad books sales to happen to her, but I do not like her. I also don't think the level of hate directed at her is particularly worse than that faced by, say, Hillary Clinton when she was first lady.
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freetoken Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:53:55pm |
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:54:06pm |
I love how people here who absolutely screamed and cried over the mere specter of the fairness doctrine returning are now falling all over themselves to advocate for what's actually a greater power for the government.
HINT TO IDEOLOGUES: IT CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU NEXT TIME. ITS NOT GOOD JUST BECAUSE ITS THE OTHER SIDE THIS TIME.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:54:13pm |
Pushing his fellow posters. Again.
It's so fucking tiring. I stopped my fact checking.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:54:15pm |
re: #322 WindUpBird
They defended them in a criminal case?
Really?
Because I must be reading a different article here, lol
You are defending the ACLU's defense of NAMBLA pedophiles? For real?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:54:47pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:54:49pm |
re: #347 NJDhockeyfan
You are defending the ACLU's defense of NAMBLA pedophiles? For real?
I sure am! Suck it. :D
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:54:55pm |
re: #339 Gus 802
A sick part of me wishes Palin would have kept pounding on the "Death Panel" meme, hard, so every average person could see her for the Bircher/Troofer she is.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:55:00pm |
re: #340 palomino
I'm not hiding behind anything. You just said the Palin attacks were indecent. A LOT of us here attack Palin, rightfully so IMO. So man up, and tell us all how indecent we are.
Man up, you ask? OK you defend your defamatory treatment of a woman, and tell me to man up... you really should quit while you are ahead.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:55:15pm |
re: #347 NJDhockeyfan
You are defending the ACLU's defense of NAMBLA pedophiles? For real?
You made it sound as if they had defended the murderers. That is not true.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:55:30pm |
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Kragar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:55:55pm |
If you don't like Palin, its because you love the DEVIL!
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:55:58pm |
re: #347 NJDhockeyfan
If a NAMBLA Pedophile has had their first amendment rights(or any other) infringed I will absolutely defend them. Its the right you're defending, not the pedophile.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:56:05pm |
re: #325 Gus 802
That's up to them. Doesn't mean I have to agree with them. WTF is with this libel talk? Since when is a group libel for something like that?
accusing someone of murder I suppose...solely for the purpose of slandering Israel...there are no war crimes...and a county should not have to advertise every crackpot notion that pops up on their busses...
"Gus 802 is a pervert that has sex with little boys!"....can I put that on a bus?....is that in the spirit of free speech?
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:57:02pm |
re: #337 brookly red
maybe, I dislike his policy but I never called him names... you are becoming unraveled here. Perhaps you should refrain from embarrassing your self further?
What a crock. You'd have us believe that the attacks on Palin are unprecedented, with no acknowledgement of what's happened to Obama since early 2007 when he first announced and was immediately accused of being a Muslim America hater.
I'm unraveled? At least I know which party I'm a member of.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:57:06pm |
re: #352 JasonA
You made it sound as if they had defended the murderers. That is not true.
I almost wish he was better at internet, shooting his nonsense down with one post is boring as hell
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:57:22pm |
re: #355 McSpiff
If a NAMBLA Pedophile has had their first amendment rights(or any other) infringed I will absolutely defend them. Its the right you're defending, not the pedophile.
Principles! Sometimes they confuse people
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:57:24pm |
re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist
Let it be noticed then. I really actually can't stand relatively few people in politics. I respect the strategists, even if they're assholes. I know Huckabee is a batty wannabe theocrat, but I think he's a good man at heart. I even liked George W. Bush, although we didn't agree on a whole hell of a lot except Tex-Mex cuisine.
Palin has:
a. Become a pundit. I hate a lot of pundits.
b. Made it eminently clear that she despises people like me, and thinks we do not love America or have good values.
I cordially loathe the woman. I don't try to hide it. I don't want anything worse than bad books sales to happen to her, but I do not like her. I also don't think the level of hate directed at her is particularly worse than that faced by, say, Hillary Clinton when she was first lady.
I can respect your opinion as you stated it, but I have an issue with the little boys screaming whore, whore! I would hope you would see my point.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:57:24pm |
re: #257 WindUpBird
My mother is a Disney obsessive, she goes to DL or WDW every year *_*
I know a couple who do that. Sometimes a couple of times a year. I don't get it. Grown women, with real jobs and lives and stuff (and no kids), and they collect Disney collector pins, and go to Disneyland every chance they get. It's fun, OK, but the world is full of cooler places.
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:57:53pm |
re: #356 albusteve
accusing someone of murder I suppose...solely for the purpose of slandering Israel...there are no war crimes...and a county should not have to advertise every crackpot notion that pops up on their busses...
"Gus 802 is a pervert that has sex with little boys!"...can I put that on a bus?...is that in the spirit of free speech?
You sure can. And Gus can sue you for libel, and win. Part of that will include an injunction to stop the advertising. Ain't the law grand? It can handle these situations without resorting to dictatorial powers and everything! Geeze wheeze those founding fathers were grand.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:57:58pm |
re: #356 albusteve
accusing someone of murder I suppose...solely for the purpose of slandering Israel...there are no war crimes...and a county should not have to advertise every crackpot notion that pops up on their busses...
"Gus 802 is a pervert that has sex with little boys!"...can I put that on a bus?...is that in the spirit of free speech?
That's not the same thing. Gus 802 is not a nation state. We don't control political speech in this country as you suggest. I don't care if it's Israel, France, or China.
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:57:58pm |
re: #347 NJDhockeyfan
You are defending the ACLU's defense of NAMBLA pedophiles? For real?
What's up with all those lawyers always defending murderers and stuff? There's no way that people should have the right to be represented in court!
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:58:01pm |
re: #342 WindUpBird
Dude! You're unraveling! Look out! :D
Help me, I have come undone.
There can be no other reason for disagreeing with the likes of brook red.
/
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:58:10pm |
re: #356 albusteve
accusing someone of murder I suppose...solely for the purpose of slandering Israel...there are no war crimes...and a county should not have to advertise every crackpot notion that pops up on their busses...
"Gus 802 is a pervert that has sex with little boys!"...can I put that on a bus?...is that in the spirit of free speech?
A nation is a little different than a dude
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:58:58pm |
re: #304 palomino
Just wondering if NJD had any substantive knowledge of the "Chicago Way" other repeating it in its common usage as a vague talking point.
Either way, it's shorthand, hardly dispositive of anything.
Well, it can be used as a way of describing Chicago's type of sometimes-violent, always corrupt machine politics. It doesn't entirely fit Obama though, since he was never really part of the machine, being more the kind of left-wing 'reformer'* who sometimes fights the machine at at other times is allied to it. The first point (fighting the machine) is shown by Obama's 1980's support for then-mayor Harold Washington, who was the enemy of the political interests that made up the machine. More recently, Obama's choice of william Daley as his chief of staff is viewable as allying with the machine (any son of Richard J. Daley is permanently identified as part of the machine).
*: My use of quotes around the word reformer is not meant to express dislike of Obama, but rather to highlight the extremely reform-resistant nature of Chicago politics.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:59:07pm |
re: #352 JasonA
You made it sound as if they had defended the murderers. That is not true.
They were defending the entire pedophile club. You support that?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:59:19pm |
re: #260 jaunte
Let's see...
Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter...
Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr.,
Kerry, Obama...
Well, yes, but except for Kerry, they were all actually President. That carries an extra hater charge.
Al Gore. I would say that Al Gore is the Republican's Sarah Palin, except he's not, because he had an actual political career, and qualifications and stuff.
I actually found myself on this forum a few months ago explaining how Dan Quayle was infinitely better qualified for the Vice Presidency than Sarah Palin. That was a scary moment.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:59:20pm |
re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist
I know a couple who do that. Sometimes a couple of times a year. I don't get it. Grown women, with real jobs and lives and stuff (and no kids), and they collect Disney collector pins, and go to Disneyland every chance they get. It's fun, OK, but the world is full of cooler places.
I agree :D I do love the animation though, there was a time where Disney ruled, and had all the talent, and all the forward thinking artists :-)
My problem is I like the park, but I don't like crowds, and I'm not motivated to fly to anaheim :D
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:59:35pm |
re: #351 brookly red
Man up, you ask? OK you defend your defamatory treatment of a woman, and tell me to man up... you really should quit while you are ahead.
What does her gender have to do with anything? She's running for president (or to be the new Oprah); either way, gender doesn't matter.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:59:45pm |
re: #327 McSpiff
So the state can decide whats libel outside of the courtroom? Interesting call for the expansion of governments powers there steve. Not your usual style but I guess if the courtroom doesn't get the results you want, look elsewhere.
I didn't say it should not come to court...I'm saying it's not true and the county doesn't have to advertise that it is
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:59:49pm |
re: #369 NJDhockeyfan
They were defending the entire pedophile club. You support that?
you seem to have a very limited understanding of our legal system
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:00:14pm |
re: #369 NJDhockeyfan
They were defending the entire pedophile club. You support that?
If someone were to try and shut down Operation Rescue because Scott Roeder shot and killed Dr. Tiller Tiller then I'm sure they would defend their right to free speech as well.
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:00:39pm |
re: #373 albusteve
I didn't say it should not come to court...I'm saying it's not true and the county doesn't have to advertise that it is
And I'm saying there is absolutely no way that the county should be the final arbiter of what speech is true and acceptable, and what isn't. Its not that I don't understand what you're saying Steve, its just that I absolutely disagree.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:00:50pm |
re: #373 albusteve
I didn't say it should not come to court...I'm saying it's not true and the county doesn't have to advertise that it is
That's up to the courts. If they can find a reason to support the county then that's something the ACLU will have to live with.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:00:55pm |
re: #265 WindUpBird
it's going to be a constant stream of comedy if she runs
"All of them!"
If she runs for longer than ten minutes it will have to be as an independent. She can't take the Republican nomination, and any Republican contender--indeed, any seventeen-year-old secretary of the Ronald Reagan High School Young Republican's Club--will take her apart in forty-five seconds, like a piranha.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:00:56pm |
re: #373 albusteve
I didn't say it should not come to court...I'm saying it's not true and the county doesn't have to advertise that it is
I believe it's not true, but could it be proven as libel in a Seattle courtroom?
Israel, I suppose is welcome to sue
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:01:12pm |
re: #369 NJDhockeyfan
They were defending the entire pedophile club. You support that?
They were defending their rights...
Fucking nuance, how does that work?
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:01:26pm |
re: #372 palomino
What does her gender have to do with anything? She's running for president (or to be the new Oprah); either way, gender doesn't matter.
Gender has every thing to do with it when you tell someone to "man up" , punk.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:01:39pm |
re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist
If she runs for longer than ten minutes it will have to be as an independent. She can't take the Republican nomination, and any Republican contender--indeed, any seventeen-year-old secretary of the Ronald Reagan High School Young Republican's Club--will take her apart in forty-five seconds, like a piranha.
I actually think she'll do a lot of damage in the primary, ultimately not take the nomination, but I don't know that she'll just vanish
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:01:48pm |
re: #375 JasonA
If someone were to try and shut down Operation Rescue because Scott Roeder shot and killed Dr. Tiller Tiller then I'm sure they would defend their right to free speech as well.
The ACLU famously defended the rights of neo-Nazis to protest in Skokie, IL, a largely Jewish city. The ACLU pisses off everyone eventually.
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:01:51pm |
re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist
Let it be noticed then. I really actually can't stand relatively few people in politics. I respect the strategists, even if they're assholes. I know Huckabee is a batty wannabe theocrat, but I think he's a good man at heart. I even liked George W. Bush, although we didn't agree on a whole hell of a lot except Tex-Mex cuisine.
Palin has:
a. Become a pundit. I hate a lot of pundits.
b. Made it eminently clear that she despises people like me, and thinks we do not love America or have good values.
I cordially loathe the woman. I don't try to hide it. I don't want anything worse than bad books sales to happen to her, but I do not like her. I also don't think the level of hate directed at her is particularly worse than that faced by, say, Hillary Clinton when she was first lady.
cordially loath...lol :)
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:02:33pm |
re: #383 palomino
The ACLU famously defended the rights of neo-Nazis to protest in Skokie, IL, a largely Jewish city. The ACLU pisses off everyone eventually.
Then they're doing it right.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:02:34pm |
re: #381 brookly red
Gender has every thing to do with it when you tell someone to "man up" , punk.
wut
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:03:01pm |
re: #385 JasonA
Then they're doing it right.
Freedom matters MORE when it's the unpopular opinion, guys
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:03:22pm |
re: #374 WindUpBird
you seem to have a very limited understanding of our legal system
I see what you mean. The ACLU won this lawsuit because we all know NAMBLA was the real victim here.
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Curley v. NAMBLA was a wrongful death lawsuit filed in the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts in 2000, by Barbara and Robert Curley against the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) represented NAMBLA and was successful in getting the suit dismissed.[1] The Curleys continued the suit as a wrongful death action against individual NAMBLA members and NAMBLA Steering Committee members.[2][3] The Curleys dropped the lawsuit in 2008 because the plaintiffs had only one witness prepared to testify that NAMBLA somehow incited one of the convicted criminals but a judge ruled the witness was not competent to testify.[4]
According to columnist Wendy Kaminer, the case highlighted censorship of unpopular speech about sexuality and the "widespread biases about a supposed link between homosexuality and pedophilia" as children are more likely to be preyed upon by heterosexuals in their extended families.[5][6] The case heightened the gay communities disassociation with NAMBLA and even appearances of supporting pederasty (attraction to children after puberty) and pedophilia (attraction to prepubescent children), a division that was even present in NAMBLA as to their public image and publication(s) content.[7] The case also nearly brought the death penalty back to Massachusetts.[8]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:03:51pm |
re: #364 tnguitarist
What's up with all those lawyers always defending murderers and stuff? There's no way that people should have the right to be represented in court!
Lock them in the tower!
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:04:00pm |
re: #376 McSpiff
And I'm saying there is absolutely no way that the county should be the final arbiter of what speech is true and acceptable, and what isn't. Its not that I don't understand what you're saying Steve, its just that I absolutely disagree.
I didn't either....refuse and go to court....I said they shouldn't have to, not that they are any arbiter, other than to refuse until ordered otherwise
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:04:01pm |
re: #381 brookly red
Gender has every thing to do with it when you tell someone to "man up" , punk.
Don't be a whiny little girl. Palin uses this phrase all the time. Anyway, I told YOU to man up, not Palin.
Again, if us Palin haters are so indecent, maybe you should explain how, particularly in the context of the right's rhetoric of the last two years re Obama.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:04:08pm |
re: #388 NJDhockeyfan
I see what you mean. The ACLU won this lawsuit because we all know NAMBLA was the real victim here.
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And if someone were to try and take away their guns I would bet the farm that the NRA would stick up for them too.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:04:09pm |
re: #353 SanFranciscoZionist
Right here in the Bay Area, we currently have a battle of the BART signs going on.
We've had that anti-Israel sign here in Chicago, too. It pisses me off just to look at it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:04:15pm |
re: #388 NJDhockeyfan
you still seem to have a very limited understanding of our legal system
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:04:36pm |
re: #387 WindUpBird
Freedom matters MORE when it's the unpopular opinion, guys
Which is exactly why I find it hard to take you seriously... juss saying.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:04:44pm |
re: #336 Rightwingconspirator
It is a small world, after all.
THE worst earworm of all time! I have an ice cream truck that rolls byu at 4 each day, playing that tune. Rubs ears HARD to scrub out that song!
I'll meet you at the bumper cars!
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palomino Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:04:56pm |
re: #385 JasonA
Then they're doing it right.
I guess so, I'm a liberal and even I disagree with the ACLU half the time.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:05:07pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:05:35pm |
re: #395 brookly red
Which is exactly why I find it hard to take you seriously... juss saying.
?
So civil rights just never made much of an impression on you, huh?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:05:51pm |
re: #272 jaunte
And Dan Quayle!
Quayle was mocked incessantly, but I don't think people really HATED hated him.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:06:07pm |
I mean, everyone knows that it was always popular to give black people more rights
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rwmofo Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:06:09pm |
This is embarrassing.
Let's have a tough guy show you how to do it.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:06:10pm |
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:06:15pm |
The limited understanding of our constitution/legal system blows the mind....
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:06:21pm |
re: #274 rwmofo
Does the ACLU just reflexively take the wrong side on every issue or do they ever get it right?
The ACLU are First Amendment purists, and that's all. They back the good, the bad and the ugly, according to that standard.
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:06:28pm |
re: #390 albusteve
I didn't either...refuse and go to court...I said they shouldn't have to, not that they are any arbiter, other than to refuse until ordered otherwise
And I disagree. They should be legally required to run ANY ad until ordered otherwise. Otherwise its still censorship in my eyes.
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brookly red Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:06:42pm |
But enough of this, go point fingers and yell whore, whore...
I am going to read some more of Ed Koch's articles. Night y'all
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:07:03pm |
re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist
Quayle was mocked incessantly, but I don't think people really HATED hated him.
No, but he made some of us pray that much harder that nothing bad would happen to HW Bush...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:07:08pm |
Mrs. Sarah Palin is the ultimate "Post Turtle".
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:07:51pm |
re: #402 rwmofo
This is embarrassing.
Let's have a tough guy show you how to do it.
Only a child or a fool cares whether the president can throw a baseball pitch or not.
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:07:52pm |
re: #402 rwmofo
This is embarrassing.
Let's have a tough guy show you how to do it.
Why the fuck would you bring that up? Let's have Bush play Obama in a game of basketball. Or is that not manly enough for you?
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:07:53pm |
re: #388 NJDhockeyfan
Rights are for everyone, not just people you like. Because some day, people who don't like YOU will be in power.
This is like baby's first constitutional law class or something...
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:08:18pm |
re: #411 tnguitarist
Too "inner city culture" for him I'm sure.
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:08:42pm |
re: #355 McSpiff
If a NAMBLA Pedophile has had their first amendment rights(or any other) infringed I will absolutely defend them. Its the right you're defending, not the pedophile.
I agree...to an extent. NAMBLA should not be allowed to incite criminal behavior. If I recall correctly, the ACLU case hinged on their right to advocate their sick view of kudos for kiddie rape . The counter claim was that their publications were more about guiding members in a how to. I'm not sure NAMBLA wasn't in fact inciting criminal behavior. I think a good argument could be made that because NAMBLA went beyond advocating policy and veered into inciting criminal behavior, the ACLU's defense of that group was immoral.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:08:48pm |
Well I have to get some sleep. Goodnight all!
The ACLU defending NAMBLA is disgusting. It doesn't surprise me that you lefties see a silver lining in that.
[SPIT]
Later...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:08:50pm |
re: #404 tnguitarist
The limited understanding of our constitution/legal system blows the mind...
meanwhile grandpa wingnut has switched gears to OUR GUY THROWS A BETTER BASEBALL
I cannot even view all this stupidity at once, it fills the horizon, it stretches to the sea, a monolith of goonery
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:08:57pm |
And the same 1st Amendment that protect Queers for Palestine also protects Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:09:08pm |
re: #411 tnguitarist
Why the fuck would you bring that up? Let's have Bush play Obama in a game of basketball. Or is that not manly enough for you?
Because he's a stupid old man who's pissed that the blog doesn't suck his dick hahaha
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:09:10pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:09:27pm |
re: #417 Gus 802
And the same 1st Amendment that protect Queers for Palestine also protects Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin.
I think some of the posters here need to retake some jr. high civics
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:09:54pm |
re: #406 McSpiff
And I disagree. They should be legally required to run ANY ad until ordered otherwise. Otherwise its still censorship in my eyes.
I just wouldn't...sue me
should a radio station be made to broadcast whatever somebody wants them to?...or some other public media?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:09:55pm |
re: #415 NJDhockeyfan
Well I have to get some sleep. Goodnight all!
The ACLU defending NAMBLA is disgusting. It doesn't surprise me that you lefties see a silver lining in that.
[SPIT]Later...
hahahahahahahaha well I'm reporting this bitch
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:10:35pm |
re: #407 brookly red
But enough of this, go point fingers and yell whore, whore...
I am going to read some more of Ed Koch's articles. Night y'all
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem hung up on something I said.
Do you not get the meaning of the phrase "Attention Whore"?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:10:40pm |
re: #415 NJDhockeyfan
Well I have to get some sleep. Goodnight all!
The ACLU defending NAMBLA is disgusting. It doesn't surprise me that you lefties see a silver lining in that.
[SPIT]Later...
Fuck you too, NJ.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:10:46pm |
re: #421 albusteve
I just wouldn't...sue me
should a radio station be made to broadcast whatever somebody wants them to?...or some other public media?
well, radio stations are privately owned, using public airwaves, Metro is public/public
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rwmofo Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:10:48pm |
re: #410 WindUpBird
Only a child or a fool cares whether the president can throw a baseball pitch or not.
I'm curious. Do you have kids?
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:11:02pm |
re: #415 NJDhockeyfan
Well I have to get some sleep. Goodnight all!
The ACLU defending NAMBLA is disgusting. It doesn't surprise me that you lefties see a silver lining in that.
[SPIT]Later...
You really do need to take a constitutional primer course.
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:11:06pm |
re: #414 BryanS
I agree...to an extent. NAMBLA should not be allowed to incite criminal behavior. If I recall correctly, the ACLU case hinged on their right to advocate their sick view of kudos for kiddie rape . The counter claim was that their publications were more about guiding members in a how to. I'm not sure NAMBLA wasn't in fact inciting criminal behavior. I think a good argument could be made that because NAMBLA went beyond advocating policy and veered into inciting criminal behavior, the ACLU's defense of that group was immoral.
I can see that point of view, but I also know the ACLU will always fight for the widest possible interpretation of the first. And I still maintain that's a good thing.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:11:12pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:11:41pm |
re: #428 rwmofo
I'm curious. Do you have kids?
I sure don't, are you using them as an excuse for your stupidity?
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:11:46pm |
re: #421 albusteve
I just wouldn't...sue me
should a radio station be made to broadcast whatever somebody wants them to?...or some other public media?
A radio station is privately owned!
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:11:49pm |
re: #415 NJDhockeyfan
Well I have to get some sleep. Goodnight all!
The ACLU defending NAMBLA is disgusting. It doesn't surprise me that you lefties see a silver lining in that.
[SPIT]Later...
That's uncalled for.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:12:11pm |
re: #417 Gus 802
And the same 1st Amendment that protect Queers for Palestine also protects Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin.
Rush chooses to broadcast...so the bus chooses not to broadcast..how is that censorship? because it is some sort of public entity?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:12:11pm |
re: #428 rwmofo
I'm curious. Do you have kids?
check it out tnguitarist, he's laying the Dr Laura shit on me
Loving it
LOVING IT
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:12:21pm |
re: #421 albusteve
I just wouldn't...sue me
should a radio station be made to broadcast whatever somebody wants them to?...or some other public media?
If it's government owned? Yes. I've been under the impression this is a government owned bus line. If that's not the case, ignore everything I've said.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:12:55pm |
re: #435 albusteve
Rush chooses to broadcast...so the bus chooses not to broadcast..how is that censorship? because it is some sort of public entity?
Yep. If it's a private bus line than it would be a different matter.
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:13:29pm |
re: #435 albusteve
Rush chooses to broadcast...so the bus chooses not to broadcast..how is that censorship? because it is some sort of public entity?
Right, the 1st amendment doesn't apply to private entities. That's why Charles is able to say posting here is a privilege and not a right.
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rwmofo Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:13:41pm |
re: #432 WindUpBird
I sure don't, are you using them as an excuse for your stupidity?
Lucky for them.
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:13:52pm |
re: #428 rwmofo
I'm curious. Do you have kids?
I do. And I can throw a curve that would buckle your knees.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:14:01pm |
re: #437 McSpiff
If it's government owned? Yes. I've been under the impression this is a government owned bus line. If that's not the case, ignore everything I've said.
it's King County, it's Metro, that is the bus line I used to ride all the time when I lived there, oh memories
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freetoken Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:14:19pm |
re: #417 Gus 802
Yup. Anyone can demonstrate via their words their own vileness, bigotry or stupidity for all to see.
So many people want to pick on the ACLU but in this case it just seems that the ACLU has taken on an unpopular cause but one which probably really ought to be resolved in courts so free-speech can be delineated from prohibited speech.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:14:32pm |
re: #440 rwmofo
Lucky for them.
Times like this I'm so glad I was raised by a legal mind and not a populist
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darthstar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:14:50pm |
re: #402 rwmofo
This is embarrassing.
Let's have a tough guy show you how to do it.
Bush was booed at every opening pitch he threw. There's documented video that shows how Fox, for example, edited the audio to reduce the crowd noise...and he bounced a few pitches short of the mound. You must get the same kind of sexual release from watching him as you do Sarah Palin to be that blind to what actually happened during his term.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:14:57pm |
re: #443 freetoken
Yup. Anyone can demonstrate via their words their own vileness, bigotry or stupidity for all to see.
So many people want to pick on the ACLU but in this case it just seems that the ACLU has taken on an unpopular cause but one which probably really ought to be resolved in courts so free-speech can be delineated from prohibited speech.
this exactly
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:15:10pm |
re: #427 WindUpBird
well, radio stations are privately owned, using public airwaves, Metro is public/public
I'm trying to learn the difference here...I assumed only the govt or it's 'subsidies' can impose censorship....if that's where I'm wrong than so be it
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:16:14pm |
Now if those signs on a bus called out a specific IDF soldier and accused him of a "war crime" such as "Capt. X of the IDF is a war criminal" then that could be considered libelous.
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rwmofo Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:16:43pm |
re: #441 tnguitarist
I do. And I can throw a curve that would buckle your knees.
Game on! ...and after I belt it out I'll pick up my Les Paul and play a little blues for you.
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darthstar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:16:49pm |
re: #448 SeafoodGumbo
Charles - your Palin Derangement Syndrome is really getting obsessive. The hatred is palpable.
VDH wrote an article that might as well be addressed to you.
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
Oh, you simple mind.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:16:52pm |
A TOUGH GUY
I think it depends on the game, really :D My money's on Bush for baseball, and on Obama for basketball
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:16:59pm |
the bus is a public entity....I'm wrong then...but someday I may be the Big Dog and things might change, when I decide who gets what
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:17:06pm |
re: #417 Gus 802
And the same 1st Amendment that protect Queers for Palestine also protects Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin.
And it's a GOOD THING! Interesting bedfellows, too.
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Kragar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:17:13pm |
re: #448 SeafoodGumbo
Charles - your Palin Derangement Syndrome is really getting obsessive. The hatred is palpable.
VDH wrote an article that might as well be addressed to you.
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
ITS THE DEVIL'S FAULT!
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:17:24pm |
re: #441 tnguitarist
I do. And I can throw a curve that would buckle your knees.
Its not worth getting into a dick measuring contest with this idiot.
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Artist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:17:36pm |
re: #448 SeafoodGumbo
There wouldn't be much to report on her if she wasn't spewing the stupid at an alarming rate.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:17:44pm |
re: #396 Floral Giraffe
Yeah, you are right about that. Earworm is right.
And as for the rides. Anything but the tea cups!
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:17:52pm |
re: #450 rwmofo
Game on! ...and after I belt it out I'll pick up my Les Paul and play a little blues for you.
I doubt it on both counts.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:18:08pm |
re: #455 Floral Giraffe
And it's a GOOD THING! Interesting bedfellows, too.
Yep. And just to make it clear. I probably wouldn't like the signage in question. :) That's life in the big city.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:18:11pm |
re: #437 McSpiff
If it's government owned? Yes. I've been under the impression this is a government owned bus line. If that's not the case, ignore everything I've said.
it's figured out, thanks
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:18:43pm |
re: #448 SeafoodGumbo
Charles - your Palin Derangement Syndrome is really getting obsessive. The hatred is palpable.
VDH wrote an article that might as well be addressed to you.
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
I've a horse outside
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:19:01pm |
re: #421 albusteve
The radio station broadcasts what ever their advertisers receive the most money for. It's about advertising, not content.
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:19:13pm |
re: #454 albusteve
the bus is a public entity...I'm wrong then...but someday I may be the Big Dog and things might change, when I decide who gets what
It's all good. I see where you're coming from now. If its a privately owned bus line, they get run or not run whatever ads they want.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:19:28pm |
re: #448 SeafoodGumbo
It seems like the Old Crab wants a martyr cookie. Attacking Charles like that and posting a like to PJM in the same post is a quick way to get banned.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:19:37pm |
re: #447 albusteve
I'm trying to learn the difference here...I assumed only the govt or it's 'subsidies' can impose censorship...if that's where I'm wrong than so be it
I think it's going to get weird at the edges, for example, I'm sure KC is within their rights not to publish one of those crazy abortion ads
I actually don't know where this will end up, I'm honestly not opposed to the courts saying that ad can legally be rejected
I just think it's a good thing for the ACLU to sue because it's a case that raises real questions
basically, I believe the ACLU an the engine that tests the system with unpopular cases, the whole point is that it's always with unpopular cases that free speech is eroded
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:20:16pm |
re: #441 tnguitarist
I do. And I can throw a curve that would buckle your knees.
I can TOTALLY DRAW BETTER THAN HIM :D
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jaunte Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:20:53pm |
I can bowl better than Obama, but I don't think it means anything.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:21:15pm |
re: #453 WindUpBird
A TOUGH GUY
I think it depends on the game, really :D My money's on Bush for baseball, and on Obama for basketball
I'd go with that pick. But they both learned to play different games, so its not a surprise.
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:21:21pm |
re: #467 WindUpBird
I think it's going to get weird at the edges, for example, I'm sure KC is within their rights not to publish one of those crazy abortion ads
I actually don't know where this will end up, I'm honestly not opposed to the courts saying that ad can legally be rejected
I just think it's a good thing for the ACLU to sue because it's a case that raises real questions
basically, I believe the ACLU an the engine that tests the system with unpopular cases, the whole point is that it's always with unpopular cases that free speech is eroded
That's just it, I'd be happy for the court to rule that the bus company does not need to run these anti-IDF ads. I just want a court ruling.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:21:25pm |
re: #469 jaunte
I can bowl better than Obama, but I don't think it means anything.
It means that you don't have to buy the round :D
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:21:29pm |
re: #467 WindUpBird
I think it's going to get weird at the edges, for example, I'm sure KC is within their rights not to publish one of those crazy abortion ads
I actually don't know where this will end up, I'm honestly not opposed to the courts saying that ad can legally be rejected
I just think it's a good thing for the ACLU to sue because it's a case that raises real questions
basically, I believe the ACLU an the engine that tests the system with unpopular cases, the whole point is that it's always with unpopular cases that free speech is eroded
that the bus is a public entity escaped me in my haste...I did that before a while back
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:22:00pm |
re: #468 WindUpBird
I can TOTALLY DRAW BETTER THAN HIM :D
I can't draw worth a flip and my handwriting is just a tad better than my eight year old's. We all have our talents.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:22:03pm |
re: #470 Dark_Falcon
I'd go with that pick. But they both learned to play different games, so its not a surprise.
of course!
(my point is that I don't care how he throws a ball, I'm not electing him pitcher) :D
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:22:17pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:22:42pm |
I get pissy real fast when it comes to Israel...my bad
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:23:27pm |
re: #437 McSpiff
If it's government owned? Yes. I've been under the impression this is a government owned bus line. If that's not the case, ignore everything I've said.
That was my impression as well, and an important distinction.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:23:28pm |
re: #475 WindUpBird
of course!
(my point is that I don't care how he throws a ball, I'm not electing him pitcher) :D
Nor would I elect Obama point guard. But all that proves is that you and I have different political views.
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darthstar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:23:30pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:23:43pm |
re: #475 WindUpBird
of course!
(my point is that I don't care how he throws a ball, I'm not electing him pitcher) :D
and I don't care how well he speaks, I'm not electing an orator
ha
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:23:58pm |
re: #459 Rightwingconspirator
Mr. Toads Wild Ride was my favorite as a kid!
Until someone didn't follow procedures & lost a foot.
Then they shut it down :(
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:24:51pm |
re: #474 tnguitarist
I can't draw worth a flip and my handwriting is just a tad better than my eight year old's. We all have our talents.
I can draw, but my handwriting is HORRID
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Kragar Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:25:09pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:25:15pm |
re: #483 Floral Giraffe
Mr. Toads Wild Ride was my favorite as a kid!
Until someone didn't follow procedures & lost a foot.
Then they shut it down :(
The best part of that ride is how suddenly the ride takes you to HELL
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:25:34pm |
re: #477 albusteve
I get pissy real fast when it comes to Israel...my bad
You raised some good points, everyone fleshed out their arguments a little more, we all became better debaters. I don't think you stepped on too many toes.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:25:43pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:25:45pm |
re: #482 albusteve
and I don't care how well he speaks, I'm not electing an orator
ha
haha fair enough
At least oratory is part of the gig! :D
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:26:23pm |
re: #484 WindUpBird
I can draw, but my handwriting is HORRID
I've always heard that geniuses have bad handwriting.....
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:27:09pm |
re: #448 SeafoodGumbo
I think the person with the worst case of PDS is Mrs. Palin herself.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:27:15pm |
re: #478 Gus 802
DBAD = "Don't be a douche."
I just made it up. ;)
It's EXCELLENT!
I hope it spreads!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:27:27pm |
re: #490 tnguitarist
I've always heard that geniuses have bad handwriting...
I think I'm just in a hurry :D
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:27:41pm |
re: #490 tnguitarist
I've always heard that geniuses have bad handwriting...
Well there are exceptions to every rule.
/
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:27:54pm |
my stars I need a beer
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:28:09pm |
re: #486 WindUpBird
The best part of that ride is how suddenly the ride takes you to HELL
Of course, you'd suggest some death metal to make the moment perfect, wouldn't you?
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:28:24pm |
re: #492 Floral Giraffe
It's EXCELLENT!
I hope it spreads!
I was expecting a follow up from SeafoodGumbo. I think he's just practicing his flounce. Or something.
[crickets]
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:29:19pm |
re: #495 WindUpBird
my stars I need a beer
I could go for a drink, but it's my night to stay up with the baby.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:29:25pm |
One Night in October
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:29:55pm |
re: #490 tnguitarist
I've always heard that geniuses have bad handwriting...
In the near future, we won't ever know. Handwriting is being replaced by word processing. Can you believe kids are not being taught cursive script anymore?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:30:02pm |
re: #496 Dark_Falcon
Of course, you'd suggest some death metal to make the moment perfect, wouldn't you?
well, I COULD
but actually I was thinking more Squirrel Nut Zippers
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:30:17pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:30:43pm |
re: #501 BryanS
In the near future, we won't ever know. Handwriting is being replaced by word processing. Can you believe kids are not being taught cursive script anymore?
I was taught it, I never use it
Who writes tons of stuff longhand? I probably write way more than the average person simply because I carry around sketchbooks and take notes on stuff
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:30:43pm |
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:30:46pm |
re: #501 BryanS
In the near future, we won't ever know. Handwriting is being replaced by word processing. Can you believe kids are not being taught cursive script anymore?
I can sign my name, thats about it. I tried to cursively write the alphabet a couple of months ago and it required way too much thinking.
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:30:57pm |
re: #501 BryanS
In the near future, we won't ever know. Handwriting is being replaced by word processing. Can you believe kids are not being taught cursive script anymore?
Or shorthand!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:31:20pm |
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:31:33pm |
re: #500 jaunte
The gumbo was a slap, dash affair.
There one was a SeafoodGumbo. A man quite adept with the mumbo jumbo...
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:31:36pm |
as for Disney, I'm a huge fan of WDW....if there were a wonders of the world gig for that stuff, Disney would be at the very top....I've done better rides in all the best parks, but overall none compare to the scope and quality of Walt's thing
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Locker Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:32:01pm |
re: #235 rwmofo
I'm in my 50s. I'm a grandfather. I've never seen this kind of daily hatred and hostility directed toward an individual in my lifetime. And it's against a woman. What the hell did she do to you? The time, energy and vitriol spent on the Sarah Palin Hate Train is really unbelievable and pathetic. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail one day.
Yea big deal. You age is obviously irrelevant. The only thing that comes out of Sarah Palin's mouth is venom and self serving babble. She is a hate filled bully who pretends to be a victim in order to enrage dumb ass old guys like you.
This isn't the fifties, she isn't a damsel in distress and you aren't some brave gumshoe defending the helpless dame.
You... are pathetic.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:32:02pm |
re: #510 albusteve
as for Disney, I'm a huge fan of WDW...if there were a wonders of the world gig for that stuff, Disney would be at the very top...I've done better rides in all the best parks, but overall none compare to the scope and quality of Walt's thing
I wish they had left Epcot alone :( At least most of it is still there
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:32:17pm |
re: #503 Slumbering Behemoth
Look at it. LOOK AT IT!
That was random as hell. I laughed my ass off.
"Shut up, woman. Get on my horse."
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:33:26pm |
re: #510 albusteve
as for Disney, I'm a huge fan of WDW...if there were a wonders of the world gig for that stuff, Disney would be at the very top...I've done better rides in all the best parks, but overall none compare to the scope and quality of Walt's thing
There's so many little things they've thought of in those parks. They never want you to see things like garbage collection or construction work (if avoidable). Even things like a costumed staff member walking through the wrong area of the park is to be avoided.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:34:11pm |
Speaking of baseball. Stephen Colbert hit this one out of the ballpark!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:34:44pm |
re: #360 brookly red
I can respect your opinion as you stated it, but I have an issue with the little boys screaming whore, whore! I would hope you would see my point.
I don't generally go around calling people whores, but I still bridle at the suggestion that Palin is getting more shit than the average jerk pundit.
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:35:12pm |
re: #504 WindUpBird
I was taught it, I never use it
Who writes tons of stuff longhand? I probably write way more than the average person simply because I carry around sketchbooks and take notes on stuff
Nobody writes letters by hand and such anymore of course. But simply scribbling a note on scratch paper--won't be readable by today's grade school kids, tomorrow's high school grads.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:35:14pm |
re: #510 albusteve
Shoot me an e-mail when/if you get a chance, please
I have a couple of questions for you. Nothing earth shattering or urgent. Just some "local" questions
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:35:21pm |
re: #512 WindUpBird
I wish they had left Epcot alone :( At least most of it is still there
it's evolved....(it's followed the money)
originally you could not get a drink around the plazas, outdoors....when they changed that, I immediately got bombed somewhere around Norway and their mead...good times
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:35:35pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:36:13pm |
re: #520 albusteve
it's evolved...(it's followed the money)
originally you could not get a drink around the plazas, outdoors...when they changed that, I immediately got bombed somewhere around Norway and their mead...good times
ahahahaha okay that's pretty great :D
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:37:02pm |
re: #520 albusteve
it's evolved...(it's followed the money)
originally you could not get a drink around the plazas, outdoors...when they changed that, I immediately got bombed somewhere around Norway and their mead...good times
The Canadian Pavilion had the best baked Mac n Cheese. I've never found it anywhere in Canada, but I'll keep looking.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:37:09pm |
re: #513 tnguitarist
I've a head cold, and am out of sorts at the moment. I'll try my best to add a [NSFW] tag to links where appropriate, but be forewarned: I am not in top form right now.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:38:11pm |
re: #509 Gus 802
There one was a SeafoodGumbo. A man quite adept with the mumbo jumbo...
But he made himself afraid,
then drank Stalker Kool Aid,
then said ugly things that are dumbo.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:38:26pm |
re: #515 McSpiff
There's so many little things they've thought of in those parks. They never want you to see things like garbage collection or construction work (if avoidable). Even things like a costumed staff member walking through the wrong area of the park is to be avoided.
it's fantasy....I love it
they say at night it's swarming with crews doing all sorts of stuff...and the detail is utterly mind boggling...but so is the price....so what!
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:38:28pm |
re: #515 McSpiff
There's so many little things they've thought of in those parks. They never want you to see things like garbage collection or construction work (if avoidable). Even things like a costumed staff member walking through the wrong area of the park is to be avoided.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:38:57pm |
re: #523 McSpiff
Psst, can you get Kraft Mac N Cheese?
(Use something sinful like sour cream!)
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tnguitarist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:39:02pm |
re: #524 Slumbering Behemoth
It was great. I'll be singing that all day tomorrow.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:39:34pm |
re: #524 Slumbering Behemoth
Feel better soon!
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:40:18pm |
re: #531 Gus 802
It tastes just like raisins!
//
God I hate raisins, they taste like dried up grapes.
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rwmofo Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:40:34pm |
This flew under the radar earlier today:
BILL TITLE: Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act passed!
Woo Hoo!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:40:47pm |
re: #520 albusteve
it's evolved...(it's followed the money)
originally you could not get a drink around the plazas, outdoors...when they changed that, I immediately got bombed somewhere around Norway and their mead...good times
Our thing was to drink around the world. We succeeded.
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:41:01pm |
re: #529 Floral Giraffe
Psst, can you get Kraft Mac N Cheese?
(Use something sinful like sour cream!)
In the great white north its Kraft Dinner, and its pretty much a staple.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:41:39pm |
re: #533 Mr Pancakes
God I hate raisins, they taste like dried up grapes.
They're OK. Except sometimes you'll get one with a seed. Crack!
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:41:59pm |
re: #527 albusteve
it's fantasy...I love it
they say at night it's swarming with crews doing all sorts of stuff...and the detail is utterly mind boggling...but so is the price...so what!
A lot is underground as well... see: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] .The amount of money, time and effort spent perfecting that fantasy is amazing.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:42:28pm |
re: #535 Stanley Sea
Our thing was to drink around the world. We succeeded.
I've done that without ever leaving my bar stool at the L Street Tavern in South Boston Mass!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:42:32pm |
re: #532 Floral Giraffe
Nothing serious at all, I just feel like crap and am a bit foggy headed. None the less, thanks for the well-wishing FG.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:42:45pm |
re: #534 rwmofo
This flew under the radar earlier today:
BILL TITLE: Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act passed!Woo Hoo!
You just keep trying get a rise out folks don't ya.
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Surabaya Stew Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:44:07pm |
re: #527 albusteve
it's fantasy...I love it
they say at night it's swarming with crews doing all sorts of stuff...and the detail is utterly mind boggling...but so is the price...so what!
There's a whole underground network of tunnels that connect the various rides and concessions to each-other and to a centralized WDW employee complex. Old Walt's real genius wasn't really in the concept, it was in the continual high standards of maintenance that make the place a joy just to be in!
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:44:10pm |
re: #536 McSpiff
In the great white north its Kraft Dinner, and its pretty much a staple.
I only learned that after looking into WTF Kraft Dinner was in the Barenaked Ladies "If I had a Million Dollars" song, and of course Terrence and Phillip on South Park.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:44:11pm |
re: #541 Gus 802
You just keep trying get a rise out folks don't ya.
It keeps working ,, or did you miss this !?!?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:46:11pm |
re: #523 McSpiff
The Canadian Pavilion had the best baked Mac n Cheese. I've never found it anywhere in Canada, but I'll keep looking.
they had a killer movie as I recall
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:46:17pm |
re: #536 McSpiff
In the great white north its Kraft Dinner, and its pretty much a staple.
Here too.... I'll sometimes add sliced weenies and/or sliced picked jalapenos.
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BongCrodny Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:46:24pm |
re: #517 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't generally go around calling people whores, but I still bridle at the suggestion that Palin is getting more shit than the average jerk pundit.
I typed "Barack Obama is an idiot" into Google and got 500,000 results. "Sarah Palin is an idiot" yielded 50,000 results.
Just in that one dinky li'l sentence the President had 10X as many haters as the Governor. It's tough to back up the claim you're persecuted when the evidence flies in the face of it.
Interestingly, "Sarah Palin is a whore" got 121,000 hits. Clearly, LGF doesn't have the exclusive trademark. :-)
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:46:37pm |
re: #543 BryanS
I only learned that after looking into WTF Kraft Dinner was in the Barenaked Ladies "If I had a Million Dollars" song, and of course Terrence and Phillip on South Park.
The idea that not everyone on the planet knows what you mean when you say Kraft Dinner is actually a very jarring moment for the typical Canadian child.
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:47:09pm |
re: #546 Mr Pancakes
Here too... I'll sometimes add sliced weenies and/or sliced picked jalapenos.
Now you're talking my language! And I'm hungry :(
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:47:34pm |
re: #542 Surabaya Stew
There's a whole underground network of tunnels that connect the various rides and concessions to each-other and to a centralized WDW employee complex. Old Walt's real genius wasn't really in the concept, it was in the continual high standards of maintenance that make the place a joy just to be in!
don't say that!...I don't want to know!
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:47:47pm |
re: #544 sattv4u2
It keeps working ,, or did you miss this !?!?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I suppose. I'm not worked up. Just think it's kind of obvious and maybe a little goofy. You know like that Obama vs. Bush baseball pitch deal.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:48:31pm |
Joe Lieberman on twitter - he's not going to run again:
JoeLieberman Joe Lieberman
23 years after I announced my candidacy to the US Senate, today I am announcing that I will not seek re-election to a fifth term.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:48:36pm |
Breaking News!
House passes meaningless repeal of health care legislation without offering any alternatives to millions of Americans.
;)
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:48:46pm |
re: #519 sattv4u2
Shoot me an e-mail when/if you get a chance, please
I have a couple of questions for you. Nothing earth shattering or urgent. Just some "local" questions
done
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Surabaya Stew Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:48:55pm |
re: #538 McSpiff
A lot is underground as well... see: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] .The amount of money, time and effort spent perfecting that fantasy is amazing.
You said it first, well done!
re: #550 albusteve
don't say that!...I don't want to know!
Heh, too late!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:49:28pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:50:37pm |
re: #535 Stanley Sea
Our thing was to drink around the world. We succeeded.
yeah, that's just one hell of a good time right there....I go into max party mode down there, within reason of course
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Locker Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:50:43pm |
re: #544 sattv4u2
It keeps working ,, or did you miss this !?!?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I don't get it. Is rwmofo your sock puppet?
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:50:49pm |
re: #552 reine.de.tout
Joe Lieberman on twitter - he's not going to run again:
Not too surprised. It'll probably be a more liberal Dem than Lieberman for that state in 2012.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:51:50pm |
re: #557 jaunte
"We said 'Job-Killing' Haha ha!"
Legislative trolling.
Funny. I thought sick people was a job killer. As for jobs healthcare is going to see quite a boom in the coming years. I'm not sure if I could ever get into that line of work. Maybe if it involved facilities design.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:51:55pm |
re: #553 Gus 802
I type Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act into the google, and the most recent results are from two weeks ago.
What's up with that?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:52:05pm |
re: #559 Locker
I don't get it. Is rwmofo your sock puppet?
Shocka !!
It doesn't cost anything to pay attention,, Read the comment that I responded too,, THEN read my comment
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:52:24pm |
re: #562 Slumbering Behemoth
I type Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act into the google, and the most recent results are from two weeks ago.
What's up with that?
Boehner called for a name change.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:52:38pm |
re: #540 Slumbering Behemoth
Passes a cup of hot tea, no it's not spiked! But there's a hot water bottle in your bed, waiting for you. Feel better, soon.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:53:08pm |
re: #534 rwmofo
This flew under the radar earlier today:
BILL TITLE: Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act passed!Woo Hoo!
I love a stunt
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Big Joe Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:54:03pm |
I worked with a guy from Guatamala, he had a simple recipe for a cheap staple meal. He diced up tomatoes and onions, reduced them in a pan and added sliced lunch meat, usually ham. It was amazingly tasty. It could be a topping to something like skillet fried potatoes.
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:54:11pm |
re: #553 Gus 802
Breaking News!
House passes meaningless repeal of health care legislation without offering any alternatives to millions of Americans.
;)
I never really got the whole nationwide redo of the health care system...... Why didn't they just create a program for the 20 million people (or so) that doesn't have coverage like me?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:54:24pm |
re: #565 Floral Giraffe
Passes a cup of hot tea, no it's not spiked!
It's like you don't know me at all. :(
*sanitary smooch*
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:54:28pm |
re: #558 albusteve
yeah, that's just one hell of a good time right there...I go into max party mode down there, within reason of course
Ex-Navy guy I worked with, on why he took so many trips to the Keys...
You wanna know why I go kid? Because there's this little bar down there, right off the beach. It has everything you need and one thing you don't. A door. Because it never closes. That's why I go.
I have no idea how true that is, but I think the sentiment is pretty accurate.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:54:38pm |
And on that note ,,,, BBIAW ,,, Gotta go play with our new work "toy"
SWWWEEEEETTTT!!!
six 60 inch monitors integrated on a wall
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:55:37pm |
re: #568 Mr Pancakes
I never really got the whole nationwide redo of the health care system... Why didn't they just create a program for the 20 million people (or so) that doesn't have coverage like me?
That would have been something like a public option or creating insurance co-ops.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:55:48pm |
re: #568 Mr Pancakes
I never really got the whole nationwide redo of the health care system... Why didn't they just create a program for the 20 million people (or so) that doesn't have coverage like me?
Cause that would ,,, umm,, whats the words I'm looking for ,,
Oh yeah
MAKE SENSE !
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:56:02pm |
re: #567 mracb
I worked with a guy from Guatamala, he had a simple recipe for a cheap staple meal. He diced up tomatoes and onions, reduced them in a pan and added sliced lunch meat, usually ham. It was amazingly tasty. It could be a topping to something like skillet fried potatoes.
Add a tortilla and an egg and that was breakfast this morning.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:56:47pm |
re: #568 Mr Pancakes
I never really got the whole nationwide redo of the health care system... Why didn't they just create a program for the 20 million people (or so) that doesn't have coverage like me?
That was going to be the Public Option, wasn't it? Didn't the GOP lose their minds over that? :D
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:57:34pm |
re: #574 sattv4u2
Cause that would ,,, umm,, whats the words I'm looking for ,,
Oh yeahMAKE SENSE !
So, why did you fight it?
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Surabaya Stew Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:57:41pm |
re: #556 sattv4u2
Hey Satt, just wanted to say that it took me only 1 year to figure out what your screen name means! Now I feel embarrassed about the comment I left for you last week re: too-long working hours and what I assumed your profession was....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:57:48pm |
re: #574 sattv4u2
Cause that would ,,, umm,, whats the words I'm looking for ,,
Oh yeahMAKE SENSE !
yes! it was called the public option, and America went LRGHLRGH SOCIALISM and that was that and it was off the table
whee, crazy memes!
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:57:52pm |
re: #553 Gus 802
Breaking News!
House passes meaningless repeal of health care legislation without offering any alternatives to millions of Americans.
;)
what a pissant thing to go through....I just shake my head in wonder
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:57:56pm |
re: #569 Slumbering Behemoth
No, it's best not spiked, when you are ill.
It helps you to heal faster.
*smooch*
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:58:01pm |
re: #576 WindUpBird
That was going to be the Public Option, wasn't it? Didn't the GOP lose their minds over that? :D
For 330 million people, yes
For the 20 mil uninsured, not so much
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:58:30pm |
re: #576 WindUpBird
That was going to be the Public Option, wasn't it? Didn't the GOP lose their minds over that? :D
I really don't know man...... my question was why change the health-care system for those that had insurance already. I could use some insurance.
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Surabaya Stew Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:59:06pm |
re: #576 WindUpBird
That was going to be the Public Option, wasn't it? Didn't the GOP lose their minds over that? :D
And some of the blue dogs too, like Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:59:14pm |
re: #577 McSpiff
So, why did you fight it?
I'm for single payer, which I guess by some peoples' yardsticks would make me a Maoist Satanic Hilterjugend
But I'm also not an idiot, and I know that health insurance is here to stay for the foreseeable future, just like corrupt banks
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:59:16pm |
re: #578 Surabaya Stew
Hey Satt, just wanted to say that it took me only 1 year to figure out what your screen name means! Now I feel embarrassed about the comment I left for you last week re: too-long working hours and what I assumed your profession was...
n/p (and I don't recall the "comment",, nor what you "assumed")
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:59:41pm |
re: #583 Mr Pancakes
I really don't know man... my question was why change the health-care system for those that had insurance already. I could use some insurance.
google "recission"
That's one of a million reasons why
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:59:59pm |
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:00:02pm |
re: #586 sattv4u2
Go play with the new kit! We'll still be fighting when you get back.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:00:15pm |
re: #566 WindUpBird
I love a stunt
exactly what it is...a double backflip cannonball into the toilet....I want these fuckers to lead the godamned country...both parties....GOVERN!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:00:20pm |
re: #583 Mr Pancakes
It's very expensive to buy insurance individually in the US. I'm over $300 a month for health insurance alone. Dental is out of pocket.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:00:23pm |
re: #584 Surabaya Stew
And some of the blue dogs too, like Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman?
yep! Note who Joe Liebermann represents: AETNA, big fat health insurer!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:01:15pm |
re: #589 McSpiff
Go play with the new kit! We'll still be fighting when you get back.
:)
Actually, I glamored it up
I'm not tasked with "playing with it", i'm tasked with "making sure it's been installed right and all the bells and whistles work"
Joy!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:01:24pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:01:25pm |
re: #581 Floral Giraffe
No, it's best not spiked, when you are ill.
It helps you to heal faster.
*smooch*
Heal? I just want to kill the pain and pass out!
/
You speak the truth, though.
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:01:52pm |
re: #587 WindUpBird
google "recission"
That's one of a million reasons why
Whatever..... I'll I know it that for me to get the same coverage that I had at my last job would cost me 1.5 x my rent per month....... 5 times more than what I was paying.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:01:56pm |
re: #592 WindUpBird
yep! Note who Joe Liebermann represents: AETNA, big fat health insurer!
He was for it before he was against it. Liebermann is kind of a creep. I really like some of the things he's done or said but others, not so much. He's actually the reason I stayed home on election day 2000.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:01:57pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:03:18pm |
re: #597 Mr Pancakes
Whatever... I'll I know it that for me to get the same coverage that I had at my last job would cost me 1.5 x my rent per month... 5 times more than what I was paying.
I have friends with PREEXISTING CONDITIONS that were essentially blacklisted from health insurance period, even if they wanted to pay 1.5x their rent, they couldn't
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:03:21pm |
re: #594 sattv4u2
:)
Actually, I glamored it up
I'm not tasked with "playing with it", i'm tasked with "making sure it's been installed right and all the bells and whistles work"
Joy!
Dude, I'd kill for that setup for a few things we've done. I realize its made for the broadcast market but assuming standard-ish inputs... yeah, I can think of a few things we coulda use that for.
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Surabaya Stew Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:03:25pm |
re: #586 sattv4u2
n/p (and I don't recall the "comment",, nor what you "assumed")
Ah, I has mistakenly thought you worked in video production because you mentioned a "Request For Proposal" that you had just finished working on after months of hard work. It's embarrassing to me because your profession is pretty clear from your screen name, only I hadn't figured it out!
Sometimes us Architects can be so dense :-)
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McSpiff Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:04:11pm |
re: #601 McSpiff
Hell, I may pass along that link anyways...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:04:14pm |
re: #599 albusteve
Goodfellas!
2 pts
Still one of my favorite movies, in amidst all the zany sci-fi stuff
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freetoken Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:05:36pm |
Scientists Generate Megawatt-Class Laser Beams for US Navy's Next-Generation Weapon System
Scientists at Los Alamos National Lab, N.M., have achieved a breakthrough with the Office of Naval Research's Free Electron Laser (FEL) program, demonstrating an injector capable of producing the electrons needed to generate megawatt-class laser beams for the US Navy's next-generation weapon system.
The Dec. 20 milestone, which occurred months ahead of schedule, will be the highlight of a two-day preliminary design review scheduled Jan. 20-21 in Virginia.
"The injector performed as we predicted all along," said Dr. Dinh Nguyen, senior project leader for the FEL program at the lab. [...]
Evil scientimists want to blowed up the world...
The laser works by passing a beam of high-energy electrons generated by an injector, through a series of strong magnetic fields, causing an intense emission of laser light. ONR hopes to test the FEL in a maritime environment as early as 2018.
F*cking magnets - how do they work?
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:06:02pm |
re: #600 WindUpBird
I have friends with PREEXISTING CONDITIONS that were essentially blacklisted from health insurance period, even if they wanted to pay 1.5x their rent, they couldn't
I have preexisting conditions and a wife and kid. I am screwed. They didn't deny my though...... $1500 a month is a bit steep....... thank god I live close to the border..... that's my only option now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:06:55pm |
re: #408 JasonA
No, but he made some of us pray that much harder that nothing bad would happen to HW Bush...
An old joke--
The Lubavitcher Rebbe, Pope John Paul II, George HW Bush and Dan Quayle are all flying together to an international conference. Mid-flight, the pilot bursts in on them. "Hey, guys. I'm sorry, but the plane is on fire, and we're going to crash. Unfortunately, there's only four parachutes, and I'm taking one, so you'll have to work this out among yourselves." And he jumps from the plane.
Dan Quayle leaps to his feet and says "George Bush is the greatest president America has ever had. He's a man of enormous moral character and will undoubtedly choose to go down with the plane. As a result, I must survive to lead the nation." He grabs a parachute and jumps.
Bush leaps to his feet and says, "Gentlemen, I hate to put you in such a bind, but if that idiot survives and I don't, he'll be president of the United States. I'm sure you understand that can't be allowed to happen." He grabs a parachute and jumps from the plane.
The Rebbe and the Pope are left in the burning plane. Finally the Pope speaks. "Menachem Mendel, you have no heir. If I die, a new Cardinal will be named Pope, and the Church will continue on. If you die without naming your successor, your followers will be left without guidance. I think you should take the last parachute."
"Thank you, Karol," the Rebbe says, "But that won't be necessary. We'll both jump."
"But how?"
"Well...it happened so fast, I couldn't tell him...but Mr. Quayle jumped with my tallis bag."
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:07:03pm |
re: #606 Mr Pancakes
I have preexisting conditions and a wife and kid. I am screwed. They didn't deny my though... $1500 a month is a bit steep... thank god I live close to the border... that's my only option now.
$1500!? That's nuts.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:07:15pm |
re: #604 WindUpBird
Still one of my favorite movies, in amidst all the zany sci-fi stuff
it's a classic....how could anybody not like it?....but I love mob movies anyway, Casino being another terrific movie...so much killer dialog and the music is out of this world, how it's usued
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:07:37pm |
re: #417 Gus 802
And the same 1st Amendment that protect Queers for Palestine also protects Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin.
You're not helping to sell me on it.
///
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:09:18pm |
re: #608 Gus 802
$1500!? That's nuts.
Yep...... I couldn't believe it..... I actually laughed at him. My wife went to the emergency ward for elevated blood pressure and a headache...... she came out 4 hours later and I got a $5000 bill.
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Big Joe Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:09:26pm |
re: #608 Gus 802
$1500!? That's nuts.
Not really. I quit Blue Shield four years ago after they got to be $600 a month over the cost of Kaiser Permanente, which charged $1000 a month for a family of 4. I can't imagine what Blue Shield costs now.
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:10:01pm |
re: #600 WindUpBird
I have friends with PREEXISTING CONDITIONS that were essentially blacklisted from health insurance period, even if they wanted to pay 1.5x their rent, they couldn't
The solution to that in the legislation that passed was forcing people to buy insurance. Probably a more legally sound option would have been just to provide a basic level of insurance for those who cannot afford it. The subsidy structure the act puts in place will end up putting most people in subsidy range, so individuals won't see higher prices, but the costs will still be there. That's a recipe for runaway costs.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:10:55pm |
re: #467 WindUpBird
I think it's going to get weird at the edges, for example, I'm sure KC is within their rights not to publish one of those crazy abortion ads
I actually don't know where this will end up, I'm honestly not opposed to the courts saying that ad can legally be rejected
I just think it's a good thing for the ACLU to sue because it's a case that raises real questions
basically, I believe the ACLU an the engine that tests the system with unpopular cases, the whole point is that it's always with unpopular cases that free speech is eroded
I'm pretty sure that a transit system can reject an ad for pretty much any reason it sees fit. Take it to court. See what happens.
The ACLU has an absolute commitment to the First Amendment.
Oddly, some people who foam at the mouth about the Second don't care so much for purity regarding the First.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:10:57pm |
Head colds suck. Peach out.
/I need a nap.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:11:10pm |
re: #469 jaunte
I can bowl better than Obama, but I don't think it means anything.
Everyone can bowl better than Obama.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:14:08pm |
Money, money, money. Everything is so expensive. And even if you get on a "program" you wind up paying for it someway with reduced services and long waiting periods.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:16:11pm |
re: #613 mracb
Not really. I quit Blue Shield four years ago after they got to be $600 a month over the cost of Kaiser Permanente, which charged $1000 a month for a family of 4. I can't imagine what Blue Shield costs now.
We were a family of 5 around 1969. My dad got a job with Dennison as a copier tech. The pay wasn't spectacular but they payed for full coverage with Blue Cross and they gave him a company car almost right off the bat.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:16:37pm |
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freetoken Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:16:47pm |
re: #618 Gus 802
And thus the age old proverb: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
The best thing I can do for myself, I conclude after several decades of life, is to try and make myself as healthy (physically, mentally) as possible.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:16:48pm |
re: #547 BongCrodny
I typed "Barack Obama is an idiot" into Google and got 500,000 results. "Sarah Palin is an idiot" yielded 50,000 results.
Just in that one dinky li'l sentence the President had 10X as many haters as the Governor. It's tough to back up the claim you're persecuted when the evidence flies in the face of it.
Interestingly, "Sarah Palin is a whore" got 121,000 hits. Clearly, LGF doesn't have the exclusive trademark. :-)
"Obama is a whore" gets 517,000.
But he is the President.
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:17:21pm |
re: #618 Gus 802
Money, money, money. Everything is so expensive. And even if you get on a "program" you wind up paying for it someway with reduced services and long waiting periods.
Dude ...... I'll trade uncertainty with reduced services and waiting lines.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:17:33pm |
Fast forward to 2011.
Band aid: $199.00
2 aspirin: $45.00
Box of tissues: $32.00
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Big Joe Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:18:00pm |
re: #619 Gus 802
My dad was with a bank, health care was never a problem back then. My mom was able to retire from Sears with medical. I work for a city and WE don't get after retirement medical.
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Big Joe Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:18:35pm |
re: #624 Gus 802
that's to cover the indiginous that don't pay their bills.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:19:10pm |
re: #618 Gus 802
Money, money, money. Everything is so expensive. And even if you get on a "program" you wind up paying for it someway with reduced services and long waiting periods.
health care is in shambles, and somebody is making an epic killing...I doubt the new bill is the answer....too many unknowns and if you have to buy Nebraska to pass it, then I instantly have a problem with it....it's too huge to solve with one bill
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BryanS Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:19:29pm |
re: #622 SanFranciscoZionist
"Obama is a whore" gets 517,000.
But he is the President.
Whoever is the president will probably rank tops for any search like that no matter who the president is. "Bush is a whore" gets a respectable 193k hits, and he isn't even president anymore.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:19:35pm |
Hey all!
At first glace, I thought the title of this post was:
"Colbert Encapsulates Pain"
How is everyone this evening/morning?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:19:58pm |
re: #568 Mr Pancakes
I never really got the whole nationwide redo of the health care system... Why didn't they just create a program for the 20 million people (or so) that doesn't have coverage like me?
Because a lot of the people who do have coverage are holding on to it by the skin of their teeth, and paying extortionate rates.
My favorite health insurance moment, BTW, came when my father's Kaiser coverage rates skyrocketed in the mid-eighties.
He called to ask why. The guy said that the rates had been raised on 'men in your zip code'.
My father thought about this for a bit, and then said, "If I give you a sworn affidavit that I have been faithfully married to a woman for twenty years and have a subscription to Playboy, can I get my rates back down?"
The guy said, "Sir, I have no idea what you're talking about."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:20:59pm |
re: #619 Gus 802
We were a family of 5 around 1969. My dad got a job with Dennison as a copier tech. The pay wasn't spectacular but they payed for full coverage with Blue Cross and they gave him a company car almost right off the bat.
Copiers were high tech in 1969!
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:21:16pm |
re: #624 Gus 802
Fast forward to 2011.
Band aid: $199.00
2 aspirin: $45.00
Box of tissues: $32.00
Absolutely correct you hit it right on the head.... add to that the $300 pregnancy test they gave her, even though my wife's tubes had been tied for 5 years prior.
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:21:38pm |
re: #621 freetoken
And thus the age old proverb: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
The best thing I can do for myself, I conclude after several decades of life, is to try and make myself as healthy (physically, mentally) as possible.
If only. Of course when you're dealing with environmental exposures and genetic predisposition that really won't help much in the end. Regardless of that it is true. Ideally one should not smoke, drink, or consume too many fatty foods and sugars and exercise regularly.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:21:43pm |
re: #622 SanFranciscoZionist
"Obama is a whore" gets 517,000.
But he is the President.
"albusteve is an insensitive troll!"
32,483,957 hits
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:21:47pm |
re: #609 albusteve
it's a classic...how could anybody not like it?...but I love mob movies anyway, Casino being another terrific movie...so much killer dialog and the music is out of this world, how it's usued
Casino I still need to see, I keep getting recommended that movie
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:21:51pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:23:21pm |
re: #627 albusteve
health care is in shambles, and somebody is making an epic killing...I doubt the new bill is the answer...too many unknowns and if you have to buy Nebraska to pass it, then I instantly have a problem with it...it's too huge to solve with one bill
I figure HCR breaks the ice, but there's a whole lot of bad in the health care system, lots to solve over decades
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:23:50pm |
re: #635 WindUpBird
Casino I still need to see, I keep getting recommended that movie
you'll love it...snuggle in and enjoy a fine piece of work
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:23:53pm |
re: #605 freetoken
Scientists Generate Megawatt-Class Laser Beams for US Navy's Next-Generation Weapon System
Evil scientimists want to blowed up the world...
F*cking magnets - how do they work?
I'm tellin' ya' Magnets are the future! :)
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Big Joe Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:23:59pm |
re: #630 SanFranciscoZionist
That reminds me of when I moved from one town to a second town, my car insurance rates went up because of my zip code, it costs more in this new zip code. I moved to a third town and my rates went up because of my new zip code, and I moved to a 4th town and guess what? My rates increased because of my new more expensive zip code. I finally move back to my original zip code. Did my rates go down? No, they say I moved into a more expensive zip code. Bastages!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:24:11pm |
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:24:11pm |
re: #633 Gus 802
If only. Of course when you're dealing with environmental exposures and genetic predisposition that really won't help much in the end. Regardless of that it is true. Ideally one should not smoke, drink, or consume too many fatty foods and sugars and exercise regularly.
Not to mention accidents out of one's control.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:24:39pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:26:10pm |
re: #633 Gus 802
If only. Of course when you're dealing with environmental exposures and genetic predisposition that really won't help much in the end. Regardless of that it is true. Ideally one should not smoke, drink, or consume too many fatty foods and sugars and exercise regularly.
1. fail
2. fail
3. ehhhh, depends, but I don't eat a lot of junk food
4. I do get aerobic on a regular basis, so that's covered
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:26:42pm |
re: #645 WindUpBird
this one is
[Video]
Magnets can cure cancer, correct your balance and they even help with (sex)! About every 15 years the magnet craze starts again . .LOL
Seriously, I do think there is unharnessed energy within magnets, but I'm not enough of a science geek to discuss it with any intelligence. It's my personal Sci-Fi quirk.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:27:13pm |
re: #626 mracb
that's to cover the indiginous that don't pay their bills.
The indigenous don't pay their bills?
?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:27:21pm |
re: #647 ggt
Magnets can cure cancer, correct your balance and they even help with (sex)! About every 15 years the magnet craze starts again . .LOL
Seriously, I do think there is unharnessed energy within magnets, but I'm not enough of a science geek to discuss it with any intelligence. It's my personal Sci-Fi quirk.
They're pretty useful for the development of computers! :D
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:27:25pm |
re: #638 WindUpBird
I figure HCR breaks the ice, but there's a whole lot of bad in the health care system, lots to solve over decades
yup...and it absolutely needs an honest bipartisan approach...there are solutions but I wish I had more confidence...I'm a grandpa myself now....yikes!...you mean there is actually life beyond my own?...well duh!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:28:43pm |
re: #643 WindUpBird
Honestly, not me :D
Well, maybe not everyone. But Obama is a pretty bad bowler, and blue-collar America notices these things. My mother considered his bowling scores a serious strike against him.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:29:09pm |
re: #646 WindUpBird
1. fail
2. fail
3. ehhh, depends, but I don't eat a lot of junk food
4. I do get aerobic on a regular basis, so that's covered
Many, many years ago my MIL told us that some plant near where she lived had some "chemical" leak into the air. It was a big deal. Never made the news. People in the area saw the Haz Mat team.
How do you protect against such "environmental" exposures? I'm not going to feel guilty the rest of my life for being human and eating a french fry.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:29:22pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:29:33pm |
re: #650 albusteve
yup...and it absolutely needs an honest bipartisan approach...there are solutions but I wish I had more confidence...I'm a grandpa myself now...yikes!...you mean there is actually life beyond my own?...well duh!
Buy life insurance.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:29:44pm |
re: #650 albusteve
yup...and it absolutely needs an honest bipartisan approach...there are solutions but I wish I had more confidence...I'm a grandpa myself now...yikes!...you mean there is actually life beyond my own?...well duh!
I actually liked the bipartisan approach, I liked that Romney was trying to fix it in Massachussetts, I liked some of the mandate noises that republicans used to make back when, I just wanted the pool to be paid into so that the numbers would make sense
But now, it's all crazypants rhetoric and stunts when what needs to happen is some Google-sized brains to get involved
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:30:17pm |
re: #649 WindUpBird
They're pretty useful for the development of computers! :D
And to the determent of computers....... my daughter when she was 5, took all the magnets off the refrigerator and stuck them on my tower..... I lost a hard drive.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:31:53pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:31:55pm |
re: #657 Mr Pancakes
And to the determent of computers... my daughter when she was 5, took all the magnets off the refrigerator and stuck them on my tower... I lost a hard drive.
They are hell on hotel key-cards!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:32:15pm |
re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, maybe not everyone. But Obama is a pretty bad bowler, and blue-collar America notices these things. My mother considered his bowling scores a serious strike against him.
I think I just do not have the part of the brain that cares about sports as it relates to a president, it's as irrelevant to me as what brand of socks the president wears.
Where does it end? Does the president need to be able to drag race? How about play an instrument? How about fix his own brake pads?
Did you ever ask your mother WHY bowling? Why not hockey? or darts? Or pool? or poker? or parcheesi? or Settlers of Catan? I seriously don't understand
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:32:35pm |
re: #657 Mr Pancakes
And to the determent of computers... my daughter when she was 5, took all the magnets off the refrigerator and stuck them on my tower... I lost a hard drive.
;_;
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:33:19pm |
re: #638 WindUpBird
I figure HCR breaks the ice, but there's a whole lot of bad in the health care system, lots to solve over decades
I blame the lawyers.
:)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:34:03pm |
re: #653 ggt
Many, many years ago my MIL told us that some plant near where she lived had some "chemical" leak into the air. It was a big deal. Never made the news. People in the area saw the Haz Mat team.
How do you protect against such "environmental" exposures? I'm not going to feel guilty the rest of my life for being human and eating a french fry.
I'm going to basically make sure I eat reasonably well, get some exercise, and try to stay happy. Stress is really going to kill me way the fuck faster than a joint will :D
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latitude51 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:34:31pm |
re: #630 SanFranciscoZionist
That's a survivor if there ever was one.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:34:33pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:34:56pm |
re: #666 WindUpBird
Improbable and grotesque mischief :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:35:53pm |
re: #660 WindUpBird
I think I just do not have the part of the brain that cares about sports as it relates to a president, it's as irrelevant to me as what brand of socks the president wears.
Where does it end? Does the president need to be able to drag race? How about play an instrument? How about fix his own brake pads?
Did you ever ask your mother WHY bowling? Why not hockey? or darts? Or pool? or poker? or parcheesi? or Settlers of Catan? I seriously don't understand
My husband would like it if a candidate were good at Settlers of Catan.
I really don't know why bowling. My mother is not a sports person. I think in her mind, being able to bowl competently indicates some sort of core Americaninity--the thing Hillary was trying to communicate by ordering a beer and a shot.
She knows it's irrelevant, but it still means something in her mind, if that makes sense.
That said, I honor and respect Al Pacino, but when you're listening to the "Hath not a Jew eyes" speech and you're able to pause it for an hour to watch "Criminal Minds", somethin' ain't working.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:37:02pm |
re: #656 WindUpBird
I actually liked the bipartisan approach, I liked that Romney was trying to fix it in Massachussetts, I liked some of the mandate noises that republicans used to make back when, I just wanted the pool to be paid into so that the numbers would make sense
But now, it's all crazypants rhetoric and stunts when what needs to happen is some Google-sized brains to get involved
the suggestion has been made to put together a large team of respected people from all walks of health care and hash this problem over, and see what shakes out...economists, docs, executives etc...stick them together so they can't hide...determine what the problems are and possible solutions...keep the public informed....maybe that sounds naive, but that's just me...get the right people and work out solutions....I think the problem is too complex for govt alone...too few elected officials have any clue at all about health care, and together with protecting their jobs, I don't think it's the best way to solve the massive problems
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:37:20pm |
re: #668 SanFranciscoZionist
My husband would like it if a candidate were good at Settlers of Catan.
I really don't know why bowling. My mother is not a sports person. I think in her mind, being able to bowl competently indicates some sort of core Americaninity--the thing Hillary was trying to communicate by ordering a beer and a shot.
I don't really believe in one core Americaninity :D
| 671 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:37:35pm |
| 672 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:38:19pm |
re: #663 WindUpBird
I'm going to basically make sure I eat reasonably well, get some exercise, and try to stay happy. Stress is really going to kill me way the fuck faster than a joint will :D
I agree. People have been smoking, drinking and having lots of fun since the beginning of people and there are more of us now than there have ever been.
Laughing is the key to happiness :)
| 673 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:38:31pm |
I really don't like "The Merchant of Venice" as a play, but it could have been a better movie than this.
| 674 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:38:44pm |
re: #658 SanFranciscoZionist
I think that was supposed to be 'indigent', perhaps.
looked like a reference to Natives...I'm always on my guard
| 675 |
Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:38:53pm |
re: #672 ggt
I agree. People have been smoking, drinking and having lots of fun since the beginning of people and there are more of us now than there have ever been.
Laughing is the key to happiness :)
Hahhahaa that was funny.
| 676 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:38:53pm |
I haz baguette, Your argument is invalid.
Image: t32_26695081.jpg
| 677 |
freetoken Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:39:02pm |
The folk over at Conservapedia ought to think of this next time they start their cars:
Relativity Powers Your Car Battery
You don't need a near-light-speed spaceship to see the effects of relativity--they can arise even in a slow-moving automobile. The lead-acid battery that starts most car engines gets about 80 percent of its voltage from relativity, according to theoretical work in the 7 January Physical Review Letters. The relativistic effect comes from fast-moving electrons in the lead atom. The computer simulations also explain why tin-acid batteries don't work, despite apparent similarities between tin and lead.
Electrons typically orbit their atoms at speeds much less than the speed of light, so relativistic effects can largely be ignored when describing atomic properties. But notable exceptions include the heaviest elements in the periodic table. Their electrons must orbit at near light speed to counter the strong attraction of their large nuclei. According to relativity, these high-energy electrons act in some ways as though they have greater mass, so their orbitals must shrink in size compared with slower electrons to maintain the same angular momentum. This contraction, which is most pronounced in the spherically-symmetric s-orbitals of heavy elements, explains why gold has a yellowish hue and why mercury is liquid at room temperature [1].
[...]
By switching relativistic parts of the models "on" and "off" the team found that relativity accounts for 1.7 volts of a single cell, which means that about 10 of the 12 volts in a car battery come from relativistic effects.
Without relativity, the authors argue, lead would act more like tin, which is just above it in the periodic table and which has the same number of electrons (four) in its outermost s- and p-orbitals. But tin's nucleus has only 50 protons, compared with lead's 82, so the relativistic contraction of tin's outermost s-orbital is much less. Additional simulations showed that a hypothetical tin-acid battery would produce insufficient voltage to be practical, because tin dioxide does not attract electrons strongly enough. Tin's comparatively loose s-orbital does not provide as deep an energy well for electrons as lead does, the team found. In the past, researchers only had a qualitative understanding of why tin-acid batteries never worked out.
[...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:39:05pm |
re: #670 WindUpBird
I don't really believe in one core Americaninity :D
Neither does my mother, truth to tell...but she still scoffed at his bowling.
| 679 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:39:17pm |
re: #669 albusteve
the suggestion has been made to put together a large team of respected people from all walks of health care and hash this problem over, and see what shakes out...economists, docs, executives etc...stick them together so they can't hide...determine what the problems are and possible solutions...keep the public informed...maybe that sounds naive, but that's just me...get the right people and work out solutions...I think the problem is too complex for govt alone...too few elected officials have any clue at all about health care, and together with protecting their jobs, I don't think it's the best way to solve the massive problems
All you've said is true, but I think government is the way it has to start because it has to start with the broad strokes of "we have to begin somewhere", and then the rest will follow...eventually. :P
I feel like health care in this country is like a big misshapen rock, and it'll take a long long time to whittle it doen into something recognizable, chips here and there over time
| 680 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:39:41pm |
re: #669 albusteve
the suggestion has been made to put together a large team of respected people from all walks of health care and hash this problem over, and see what shakes out...economists, docs, executives etc...stick them together so they can't hide...determine what the problems are and possible solutions...keep the public informed...maybe that sounds naive, but that's just me...get the right people and work out solutions...I think the problem is too complex for govt alone...too few elected officials have any clue at all about health care, and together with protecting their jobs, I don't think it's the best way to solve the massive problems
I'd throw in a couple of Average Joe's and Janes without college degrees, but LOTS of common sense. People who aren't afraid to call "Bullshit" when they see it.
| 681 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:39:45pm |
re: #672 ggt
I agree. People have been smoking, drinking and having lots of fun since the beginning of people and there are more of us now than there have ever been.
Laughing is the key to happiness :)
I have this Patton Oswalt CD I'm about to listen to *_*
| 682 |
Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:40:23pm |
re: #679 WindUpBird
All you've said is true, but I think government is the way it has to start because it has to start with the broad strokes of "we have to begin somewhere", and then the rest will follow...eventually. :P
I feel like health care in this country is like a big misshapen rock, and it'll take a long long time to whittle it doen into something recognizable, chips here and there over time
Ummm I don't have that long dude.
| 683 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:41:05pm |
re: #680 ggt
I'd throw in a couple of Average Joe's and Janes without college degrees, but LOTS of common sense. People who aren't afraid to call "Bullshit" when they see it.
how about average joes and janes who have had cancer, or who have experienced the hospice system for their family members, or who have had a kid in the hospital with a life threatening illness.
People who have experienced health care in an acute way
| 684 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:41:17pm |
re: #673 SanFranciscoZionist
I really don't like "The Merchant of Venice" as a play, but it could have been a better movie than this.
I liked Pacino's acting, probably the first time I realized he did more than gansta' movies.
Hated the play--but I guess it is accurate historical fiction. Never Forget.
| 685 |
teleskiguy Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:41:33pm |
I'm not a particularly religious person, but I couldn't help but notice how I kept saying to myself "Jesus . . ." "Jesus . . ."
Because Charles is right:
In a special comment to Mika Brzezinski, Colbert encapsulates Sarah Palin as, perhaps, no one else can.
| 686 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:42:03pm |
re: #678 SanFranciscoZionist
Neither does my mother, truth to tell...but she still scoffed at his bowling.
Honestly, tell the truth, the fact that he sucks at bowling I find sorta cute. I was no good at any sport!
| 687 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:42:13pm |
re: #679 WindUpBird
All you've said is true, but I think government is the way it has to start because it has to start with the broad strokes of "we have to begin somewhere", and then the rest will follow...eventually. :P
I feel like health care in this country is like a big misshapen rock, and it'll take a long long time to whittle it doen into something recognizable, chips here and there over time
govt will MC the gig from beginning to end...they are ultimately resonsible
| 689 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:42:52pm |
re: #684 ggt
I liked Pacino's acting, probably the first time I realized he did more than gansta' movies.
Hated the play--but I guess it is accurate historical fiction. Never Forget.
Pacino was rad as roy Cohn in Angels in America
| 690 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:42:59pm |
re: #683 WindUpBird
how about average joes and janes who have had cancer, or who have experienced the hospice system for their family members, or who have had a kid in the hospital with a life threatening illness.
People who have experienced health care in an acute way
couple of those too!
| 691 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:43:41pm |
re: #680 ggt
I'd throw in a couple of Average Joe's and Janes without college degrees, but LOTS of common sense. People who aren't afraid to call "Bullshit" when they see it.
yes, of course....talking scores of people, maybe more if that's what it takes....it's bigger than the legislative process in DC can handle
| 692 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:43:52pm |
re: #687 albusteve
govt will MC the gig from beginning to end...they are ultimately resonsible
I agree with that *_*
still, it's government who sorta builds the playing field, and private industry that fields the team, sorta like the internet, government created the internet, private industry created Facebook
| 693 |
Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:45:17pm |
re: #689 WindUpBird
Pacino was rad as roy Cohn in Angels in America
88 Minutes was horrible....... if Al is in a movie it does not make it good........ that movie sucked.
| 694 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:45:22pm |
re: #690 ggt
couple of those too!
My point is that's eventually going to be EVERYONE, because everyone evtually dies, most people eventually suffer through something life threatening, but there are people who have successfully avoided any real serious run-in with health care as it exists now, whose views may be a little thin ;-)
| 695 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:45:34pm |
re: #693 Mr Pancakes
88 Minutes was horrible... if Al is in a movie it does not make it good... that movie sucked.
never heard of it o_o
| 696 |
Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:45:57pm |
| 697 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:46:08pm |
| 698 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:46:10pm |
re: #683 WindUpBird
how about average joes and janes who have had cancer, or who have experienced the hospice system for their family members, or who have had a kid in the hospital with a life threatening illness.
People who have experienced health care in an acute way
perfect...people that have suffered need to be heard, up front, right to somebody's face...hold some type of public hearings....put it on C-SPAN
| 699 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:46:46pm |
re: #696 Mr Pancakes
Forget you did.
I'll stick to Nicholas Cage's Vampire's Kiss, a movie so unhinged you wonder how people allowed their names to be associated with it
| 700 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:47:13pm |
re: #698 albusteve
perfect...people that have suffered need to be heard, up front, right to somebody's face...hold some type of public hearings...put it on C-SPAN
weeks of it, enough to sorta get the conversation out of the rhetoric and into experience
| 701 |
Mr Pancakes Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:47:14pm |
re: #697 WindUpBird
You know what ruled? THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE
Pacino at his demonic hammiest :D
Scarface, Dog Day Afternoon were great.
| 702 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:47:47pm |
re: #698 albusteve
perfect...people that have suffered need to be heard, up front, right to somebody's face...hold some type of public hearings...put it on C-SPAN
(my friend is likely about to get hired as a hospice nurse, suddenly I get to hear a LOT about hospice care)
| 703 |
teleskiguy Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:47:54pm |
| 704 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:48:21pm |
re: #691 albusteve
yes, of course...talking scores of people, maybe more if that's what it takes...it's bigger than the legislative process in DC can handle
bigger than they can probably administrate also.
I still think that if the insurance companies, the lawyers, the government and the lobbyists were out of the picture, costs would be much, much lower.
The games doctors have to play to make a living are bad for health care. I see the EOB's. Frankly, you couldn't get me to be a physician for that money. Too much BS and responsibility. Hospital politics alone would drive me to quit.
I don't have the answer.
| 705 |
Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:49:17pm |
re: #694 WindUpBird
My point is that's eventually going to be EVERYONE, because everyone evtually dies, most people eventually suffer through something life threatening, but there are people who have successfully avoided any real serious run-in with health care as it exists now, whose views may be a little thin ;-)
We live in a society that has traditionally put profits ahead of peoples lives. We have a health care system that requires us to toil for its services in order to keep a small minority of people living like kings.
| 706 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:49:35pm |
re: #694 WindUpBird
My point is that's eventually going to be EVERYONE, because everyone evtually dies, most people eventually suffer through something life threatening, but there are people who have successfully avoided any real serious run-in with health care as it exists now, whose views may be a little thin ;-)
true!
| 707 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:50:11pm |
re: #704 ggt
bigger than they can probably administrate also.
I still think that if the insurance companies, the lawyers, the government and the lobbyists were out of the picture, costs would be much, much lower.
The games doctors have to play to make a living are bad for health care. I see the EOB's. Frankly, you couldn't get me to be a physician for that money. Too much BS and responsibility. Hospital politics alone would drive me to quit.
I don't have the answer.
Well, the game is changing, because doctors have vacated the general practitioner position, and nurse practicioners are filling the void
The sad thing is in the south, where Nurse pracs are most needed, that's where they have the least power and the most shit dealt to them by the establishment
| 708 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:50:17pm |
re: #705 Gus 802
We live in a society that has traditionally put profits ahead of peoples lives. We have a health care system that requires us to toil for its services in order to keep a small minority of people living like kings.
What small minority?
| 709 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:50:35pm |
re: #700 WindUpBird
weeks of it, enough to sorta get the conversation out of the rhetoric and into experience
yes, whatever it takes to make everybody, all Americans, understand their involvement...lay it all out...if insurance people stall, find out why, grab em by the balls and get some explanations, input people understand...treat it like a crisis without freaking people out...we are all in it together, remind the feds they work for us
| 710 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:51:17pm |
re: #705 Gus 802
We live in a society that has traditionally put profits ahead of peoples lives. We have a health care system that requires us to toil for its services in order to keep a small minority of people living like kings.
I violently dislike the notion that one has to be trapped into a shitty job just for the insurance
Nothing kills innovation in america, and small business in america, like health care costs
| 711 |
Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:51:33pm |
re: #708 ggt
What small minority?
The elite doctor class. The owners of hospital corporations. The medical device vendor corporations.
| 712 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:52:11pm |
re: #711 Gus 802
The elite doctor class. The owners of hospital corporations. The medical device vendor corporations.
and of course, insurance
| 713 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:52:20pm |
re: #707 WindUpBird
Well, the game is changing, because doctors have vacated the general practitioner position, and nurse practitioners are filling the void
The sad thing is in the south, where Nurse pracs are most needed, that's where they have the least power and the most shit dealt to them by the establishment
I love Nurse Practitioners and Physician Assistants! Osteopaths are popular around here.
| 714 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:53:51pm |
re: #713 ggt
I love Nurse Practitioners and Physician Assistants! Osteopaths are popular around here.
I honestly think NPs are the way of the future, doctors have become specialists, let them do that
Oh yeah, and their lobby that gets bent out of shape about NPs being able to prescribe, they can eat shit
| 715 |
Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:54:43pm |
re: #712 WindUpBird
and of course, insurance
Them too. Health care is currently run as for profit system. Most hospitals "rip off" the Medicare systems so their investors can keep making mortgage payments on their McMansions. The average American citizen is in place not to serve man, but to serve the wealthy.
| 716 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:56:27pm |
re: #711 Gus 802
The elite doctor class. The owners of hospital corporations. The medical device vendor corporations.
the lawyers, the lobbyists, the politicians . . . .
There are very few private practitioners in our area. Mega Doctor Groups with 200 locations with computers systems integrated with the hospital. All tightly controlled as to what they can tell you and what they can't.
Lawyers, Insurance companies, and corporate overlords telling them what they can and can't do every step of the way.
| 718 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:56:38pm |
re: #715 Gus 802
Them too. Health care is currently run as for profit system. Most hospitals "rip off" the Medicare systems so their investors can keep making mortgage payments on their McMansions. The average American citizen is in place not to serve man, but to serve the wealthy.
it's why I stayed at my health care job past the point where it was COSTING me money to work there, the health benefits were good, even though the money was crap
| 719 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:57:29pm |
re: #713 ggt
I love Nurse Practitioners and Physician Assistants! Osteopaths are popular around here.
my PA has been a godsend throughout my 3 year ordeal...my point of contact, she always returns my calls and takes care of me...without her I don't know how I would have made it this far...makes me almost believe in angels
| 720 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:57:47pm |
| 721 |
Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:57:53pm |
re: #716 ggt
the lawyers, the lobbyists, the politicians . . .
There are very few private practitioners in our area. Mega Doctor Groups with 200 locations with computers systems integrated with the hospital. All tightly controlled as to what they can tell you and what they can't.
Lawyers, Insurance companies, and corporate overlords telling them what they can and can't do every step of the way.
They are all part of the same system. We used to call them the "church and country club crowd".
| 722 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:58:24pm |
re: #720 ggt
Spread the Wealth Equally!
/
when wealth is the difference between being screened for cancer and being denied coverage, the system is broken
| 723 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:58:50pm |
re: #719 albusteve
my PA has been a godsend throughout my 3 year ordeal...my point of contact, she always returns my calls and takes care of me...without her I don't know how I would have made it this far...makes me almost believe in angels
They get to do the job Physicians used to do, without the liability concerns. Make better money than some doctors . . .
| 724 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:59:02pm |
and we haven't even got to MENTAL health, which is so broken it's like dust
| 725 |
Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:59:30pm |
re: #720 ggt
Spread the Wealth Equally!
/
That won't ever happen. My only point is that we're living in denial. All men are not "created" equal. It all depends on how much money you have.
| 726 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:59:39pm |
re: #714 WindUpBird
I honestly think NPs are the way of the future, doctors have become specialists, let them do that
Oh yeah, and their lobby that gets bent out of shape about NPs being able to prescribe, they can eat shit
right, they have payed big bucks for the training to Dx and Rx....I have confidence in them...they are the front line and desperately needed
| 727 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:01:00pm |
re: #722 WindUpBird
when wealth is the difference between being screened for cancer and being denied coverage, the system is broken
Health Care has been an issue since the beginning of people as is food, clothing and shelter.
The idea that the problem can be legislated away is beyond me. We can try, but we won't get it right every time.
| 728 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:01:10pm |
re: #724 WindUpBird
and we haven't even got to MENTAL health, which is so broken it's like dust
one step at a time, comrade
| 729 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:01:33pm |
re: #725 Gus 802
That won't ever happen. My only point is that we're living in denial. All men are not "created" equal. It all depends on how much money you have.
We are created "equal" under the law of the land, not the laws of reality.
| 730 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:02:02pm |
re: #726 albusteve
right, they have payed big bucks for the training to Dx and Rx...I have confidence in them...they are the front line and desperately needed
We have a nifty thing in Oregon where we're delegating the sorts of elderly care that would normally go to nursing homes, we've given people the opportunity to get delegated to care for people in their homes, properly set up, in a holistic family environment. Lots of Romanians in Portland, they work in home health and from what I hear they're pretty awesome
| 731 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:02:22pm |
re: #725 Gus 802
That won't ever happen. My only point is that we're living in denial. All men are not "created" equal. It all depends on how much money you have.
I'm more equal than you...get outa the way
| 732 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:02:39pm |
re: #684 ggt
I liked Pacino's acting, probably the first time I realized he did more than gansta' movies.
Hated the play--but I guess it is accurate historical fiction. Never Forget.
The girl playing Portia is pretty, but nothing much. Same for Jessica. The boys are boring cut-outs. Only really fun moment is when Bassanio kisses Antonio.
Pacino kind of sparked briefly over "What should I say to you? Should I not say, “Hath a dog money? Is it possible A cur can lend three thousand ducats?”", but mostly it's a very, very bland performance.
Seriously, "Hath not a Jew eyes" should scare the hell out of you. Shylock is absolutely simmering with hate and grief. And Pacino just doesn't pull it off.
| 733 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:03:39pm |
re: #710 WindUpBird
I violently dislike the notion that one has to be trapped into a shitty job just for the insurance
Nothing kills innovation in america, and small business in america, like health care costs
Also the rent. The rent is too damn high.
| 734 |
latitude51 Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:03:49pm |
re: #724 WindUpBird
and we haven't even got to MENTAL health, which is so broken it's like dust
That one is simple for the budgeters. Just ignore it and hope it goes away. At least that's how it's done around here.
| 735 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:04:47pm |
re: #727 ggt
Health Care has been an issue since the beginning of people as is food, clothing and shelter.
The idea that the problem can be legislated away is beyond me. We can try, but we won't get it right every time.
Do you dispute that America's system is one of the worst in the developed western world? ;-)
Because trust me, it is. I worked in health care for almost 15 years, half my friends are in health care. Our system DESPERATELY needs legislation simply to get it to the point where it's merely garbage as opposed to outright inhumanity.
legislation is a necessary tool. So is industry. But legislation comes first to make it possible for private industry to evolve to meet the needs.
| 736 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:05:14pm |
re: #732 SanFranciscoZionist
The girl playing Portia is pretty, but nothing much. Same for Jessica. The boys are boring cut-outs. Only really fun moment is when Bassanio kisses Antonio.
Pacino kind of sparked briefly over "What should I say to you? Should I not say, “Hath a dog money? Is it possible A cur can lend three thousand ducats?”", but mostly it's a very, very bland performance.
Seriously, "Hath not a Jew eyes" should scare the hell out of you. Shylock is absolutely simmering with hate and grief. And Pacino just doesn't pull it off.
Oh, I thought it worked.
| 737 |
Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:05:16pm |
The USA is just another 3rd world country with a better PR team.
//
| 738 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:05:26pm |
I'm sorry guys there's a cat on my desk
| 739 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:05:45pm |
re: #737 Gus 802
The USA is just another 3rd world country with a better PR team.
//
We do seem to have some third world areas o_o
| 740 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:06:46pm |
re: #730 WindUpBird
We have a nifty thing in Oregon where we're delegating the sorts of elderly care that would normally go to nursing homes, we've given people the opportunity to get delegated to care for people in their homes, properly set up, in a holistic family environment. Lots of Romanians in Portland, they work in home health and from what I hear they're pretty awesome
it's a very tough job, but some people love it and wouldn't do anything else...my wound care nurse that comes to my house every other day has her Masters, teaches, and simply will not do patient care in an institution....she's awesome...all day long taking care of her patients, spending quality time with us....making calls, setting stuff up, making sure we are good to go
| 741 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:07:58pm |
re: #736 ggt
Oh, I thought it worked.
Well, matters of taste. I have shocked many by saying I like the Baz Luhrman Romeo and Juliet.
| 742 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:08:59pm |
re: #735 WindUpBird
Do you dispute that America's system is one of the worst in the developed western world? ;-)
Because trust me, it is. I worked in health care for almost 15 years, half my friends are in health care. Our system DESPERATELY needs legislation simply to get it to the point where it's merely garbage as opposed to outright inhumanity.
legislation is a necessary tool. So is industry. But legislation comes first to make it possible for private industry to evolve to meet the needs.
I don't think America can be compared to other countries in many, including this respect. The sheer numbers, the diversity of population, the geography are like no where else.
What are the goals you would like to see accomplished?
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albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:08:59pm |
re: #735 WindUpBird
Do you dispute that America's system is one of the worst in the developed western world? ;-)
Because trust me, it is. I worked in health care for almost 15 years, half my friends are in health care. Our system DESPERATELY needs legislation simply to get it to the point where it's merely garbage as opposed to outright inhumanity.
legislation is a necessary tool. So is industry. But legislation comes first to make it possible for private industry to evolve to meet the needs.
of course we need legislation, but it needs to be written by experts...people working together...when it works, make it law
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Gus Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:09:06pm |
re: #739 WindUpBird
We do seem to have some third world areas o_o
Yep. We have tent cities now. Always had though. Life was brutal before 1945 or so. Still is for many people. Blacks didn't get full rights until the 1960s. For so much talk about this alleged "American exceptionalism" we sure do have a fucked up history.
| 745 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:09:20pm |
re: #741 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, matters of taste. I have shocked many by saying I like the Baz Luhrman Romeo and Juliet.
I liked it! I saw it IN THE THEATER
| 746 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:10:09pm |
re: #744 Gus 802
Yep. We have tent cities now. Always had though. Life was brutal before 1945 or so. Still is for many people. Blacks didn't get full rights until the 1960s. For so much talk about this alleged "American exceptionalism" we sure do have a fucked up history.
QUIET DOWN OVER THERE!
| 747 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:11:06pm |
| 748 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:11:09pm |
re: #742 ggt
I don't think America can be compared to other countries in many, including this respect. The sheer numbers, the diversity of population, the geography are like no where else.
What are the goals you would like to see accomplished?
I would like to see some access of health care for everyone in the country, so that people aren't ruined by the costs. Not great care, not even timely care. But the basics. Like meds. Like being able to go to an ER and not think you'll lose your house because of it. I got friends who can't get their MEDS. That is fucked.
| 749 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:11:19pm |
re: #744 Gus 802
Yep. We have tent cities now. Always had though. Life was brutal before 1945 or so. Still is for many people. Blacks didn't get full rights until the 1960s. For so much talk about this alleged "American exceptionalism" we sure do have a fucked up history.
Then fuckin' move.
| 750 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:11:30pm |
re: #740 albusteve
You are very lucky.
| 751 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:11:40pm |
re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist
I saw it in the theater three times.
I see nothing in the theater 3 times. Except I think the movie Dark City. I saw that one three times :D
| 754 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:13:02pm |
| 755 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:13:37pm |
re: #748 WindUpBird
I would like to see some access of health care for everyone in the country, so that people aren't ruined by the costs. Not great care, not even timely care. But the basics. Like meds. Like being able to go to an ER and not think you'll lose your house because of it. I got friends who can't get their MEDS. That is fucked.
Who should pay for it? Me? You? How do we keep the hangers on from getting their cut?
If I could wave a magic wand and make it happen, I would. Health care isn't the only problem humans face. I'd like feed everyone healthy nutritious food too, but we can't even seem to get that done.
| 756 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:13:53pm |
re: #753 Gus 802
I can't believe you said that.
Don't jinx it! I'm trying to compose a witty fusillade
| 757 |
albusteve Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:14:33pm |
re: #750 Floral Giraffe
You are very lucky.
I know it too...I'm humbled every time I go to the hospital...people are really suffering out there
| 759 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:14:47pm |
re: #755 ggt
Who should pay for it? Me? You? How do we keep the hangers on from getting their cut?
If I could wave a magic wand and make it happen, I would. Health care isn't the only problem humans face. I'd like feed everyone healthy nutritious food too, but we can't even seem to get that done.
This conversation is over, dude
You basically godwined the thread with your #749 and now I basically regard you like I regard my cat when she sits on my keyboard
| 760 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:15:23pm |
| 761 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:16:46pm |
AND IN RESPONSE TO YOUR ASTUTE RHETORICAL ONSLAUGHT I WILL WAVE MY TAIL IN YOUR FACE AND CHEEKRUB YOUR MOUSE HAND
THE DAY IS MINE, TREBEK
| 762 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:18:18pm |
re: #761 WindUpBird
AND IN RESPONSE TO YOUR ASTUTE RHETORICAL ONSLAUGHT I WILL WAVE MY TAIL IN YOUR FACE AND CHEEKRUB YOUR MOUSE HAND
THE DAY IS MINE, TREBEK
LOL
| 764 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:24:34pm |
re: #759 WindUpBird
This conversation is over, dude
You basically godwined the thread with your #749 and now I basically regard you like I regard my cat when she sits on my keyboard
Sorry you think I godwin'd the thread. It is a personal hot button. I apologize for letting my emotions get in the way of rational conversation.
Yes, the system is fucked. I take it personally when our Country is dissed--we do a lot of things right and we work hard at trying to make it better. I shouldn't have let it get to me.
| 765 |
ClaudeMonet Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:58:08pm |
re: #219 HoosierHoops
No snow yet! How are you doing?
/I hate the wind blowing all the time..But what can you do?
As I used to say all the time when I lived in OKC (was it really thirty years ago?)--
Oklahoma, where the wind comes whipping down the plains
And whipping down the plains
And whipping down the plains
And whipping down the plains
And whipping down the plains
And whipping down the plains
And whipping down the plains
And whipping down the plains
And whipping down the &%$#@*&!+~^$#@ plains
After a while, you get used to it. Then, when you go somewhere else and the wind isn't blowing all the time, you feel like something's missing.
| 766 |
ClaudeMonet Thu, Jan 20, 2011 12:18:35am |
re: #274 rwmofo
Does the ACLU just reflexively take the wrong side on every issue or do they ever get it right?
IMO they're usually on the right side (so to speak) of the issues, but when they're wrong, they're really wrong. I give them credit for taking up for unpopular causes, but I don't give them cash. Some of their causes are unpopular for good reasons.
re: #311 Slumbering Behemoth
You guys? Meh. She's the Paris Hilton of the far right. "Attention Whore" fits her.
Hey, come on now. Palin is much, much smarter than Paris Hilton. Then again, so is a small soap dish.
Politically, I'm not that worried about Ms. Palin. History is liberally littered with Vice Presidential candidates and former Vice Presidents whose later Presidential campaigns went nowhere. Most recently, the candidacies of Joe Lieberman and Dan Quayle never got off the ground. Previous failures include Edmund Muskie and Henry Cabot Lodge. Robert Dole managed to get the nomination 20 years after he lost as Ford's running mate, but lost badly in the general election. Walter Mondale got the nomination four years after he lost the Vice Presidency, only to get shellacked in the general election. In fact, the last person to lose as a VP candidate and later win the Presidency was--FDR.
With Palin, it's a case of watch, contain, and wait for her to self-destruct enough times.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Jan 20, 2011 1:12:40am |
This one even got a scathing critique on Breitbart's "Big Hollywood": [Link: www.bing.com...]
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simoom Thu, Jan 20, 2011 7:14:27am |
re: #45 Dark_Falcon
Well, Jaunte pointed out the context and limits of Koch's defense of her. It was more a request for civility and a reminder not to underestimate her. You can't really call it a "plea for civility", since Ed Koch is not a man to plead. He believes in being forceful instead, though he's never ugly in so doing.
I kind of disagree. Ed Koch really bought into the whole "war of civilizations" narrative and some of the rhetoric he used in that period was plenty ugly. For example, from a 2006 editorial:
In a recent audiotaped message, Osama bin Laden threatened the U.S. and Western civilization with monumental acts of terror, already planned and soon to be executed. He also offered a truce to the U.S. if we evacuate our troops from both Afghanistan and Iraq....
Here in the U.S., some who oppose our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan will demand that we agree to the truce. We may soon see banners in street demonstrations demanding that we accept bin Laden’s offer. At the height of the Cold War, there were defeatists in the U.S. and Europe who demanded that the democratic governments submit to the demands of the U.S.S.R. Their cry for NATO’s compliance with Soviet demands was summed up in the statement, “better red than dead.”
...
Most of us prefer Western civilization and democracy to Islamic dictatorship. We do not wish either to convert to Islam or pay tribute to Islamofascists. One observer, Andrew McCarthy, former U.S. attorney who prosecuted the blind sheikh terrorist Omar Abdel Rahman, told The New York Sun, “There is, regrettably a fifth column in this country.” McCarthy, now a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies was, I believe, implicitly referring to those who would accept the truce in lieu of continuing to wage a lengthy war entailing deaths and injuries in order to protect our values.
Those so-called fifth columnists seek to sap our military and economic strength to make us unable to continue the fight against terrorists and insurrectionists in Iraq and Afghanistan. They seek to demean and weaken the President, not simply to oppose him politically.
| 771 |
leftynyc Thu, Jan 20, 2011 10:42:15am |
re: #235 rwmofo
I'm in my 50s. I'm a grandfather. I've never seen this kind of daily hatred and hostility directed toward an individual in my lifetime. And it's against a woman. What the hell did she do to you? The time, energy and vitriol spent on the Sarah Palin Hate Train is really unbelievable and pathetic. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail one day.
Oy Vey - were you a child in the 90's when Hillary Clinton was accused of everything from being a lesbian (while at the same time having an affair with that lawyer who killed himself) to murder? sarah is getting off scot free in comparison.
| 772 |
krypto Thu, Jan 20, 2011 12:12:14pm |
re: #235 rwmofo
I'm in my 50s. I'm a grandfather. I've never seen this kind of daily hatred and hostility directed toward an individual in my lifetime. And it's against a woman. What the hell did she do to you? The time, energy and vitriol spent on the Sarah Palin Hate Train is really unbelievable and pathetic. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail one day.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have no animosity toward her. My issue is that it is just so painful to watch her make herself look so bad every time she opens her mouth in public that I just wish she could honor the victims of the violence in Arizona, and the rest of us, with a brief decade of silence.
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