White House Responds to Perry's 'Treasonous' Comment

White House Responds to Perry’s ‘Treasonous’ Comment

‘Threatening the Fed chairman is probably not a good idea’

PoliticsAugust 2011 • Views: 28,486

When asked today about Rick Perry’s implied threat against Fed chairman Ben Bernanke, White House press secretary Jay Carney responded:

“When you’re president or you’re running for president you have to think about what you’re saying because your words have greater impact. President Obama and we take the independence of the Federal Reserve very seriously and certainly think threatening the Fed chairman is probably not a good idea.”

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269 comments

Alexzander Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:18:52am

OK third times the charm:

Jon Stewart: Why Is the Media Ignoring Ron Paul?

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:18:56am

I'm glad to see they decided to respond. I'm betting that Perry takes it as a throwdown and tries to hit back.

Maybe this is a test to see how easily they can get under Perry's skin.

theheat Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:19:00am

Of course they're gonna say that because the want to silence real 'merican truth warriors like Perry!

Shiplord Kirel Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:19:07am

Good for the White House for spelling out that they regard this as a threat. Goodhair has jumped the shark.

Alexzander Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:19:48am

re: #2 makeitstop

I'm glad to see they decided to respond. I'm betting that Perry takes it as a throwdown and tries to hit back.

Maybe this is a test to see how easily they can get under Perry's skin.

I think your right.

Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:20:08am

"you have to think about what you’re saying"

Who do they think they're talking to? These are Tea Party's Chosen People!

theheat Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:20:14am

re: #2 makeitstop

The shot across the bow, so to speak.

Interesting Times Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:23:33am

Fun Texas Facts for Everyone!

#1 in workplace fatalities!
#1 in percentage of minimum-wage workers!
#1 in in percentage of people without health insurance!

Yee-haw!

Big Steve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:24:13am

Well unless Ben Bernanke is a coyote, I doubt he has much to fear from Rick Perry (who is an ex-cheerleader btw!)

Achilles Tang Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:25:13am

I hope we hear more from the WH in the future about the stupid comments from the TGOP pack. Keep them on the defensive and keep giving them rope to respond to.

bratwurst Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:25:25am

re: #1 Alexzander

OK third times the charm:

Jon Stewart: Why Is the Media Ignoring Ron Paul?

Just watched this moments ago...hilarious.

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:25:26am

Economist's View: The Not Ready For Prime-Time Players

Money quote:

Apparently he (Perry) thinks the Fed has the ability to cut spending and balance the budget. What a clown.

Heh.

celticdragon Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:25:33am

Jesus Christ. Perry is fucking nuts. From talking about nullification of federal laws, succession from the union, and cozying up to neo-confederates...this southern-fried cracker really runs the table. He is a disgrace to Texas and to our country. I find it nigh unbelievable that the kind of sedition he advocates actually gets him votes. Even more so that people who claim to hate the government actually campaign on that hatred to get them elected into the government.

laZardo Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:28:29am

re: #13 celticdragon

Jesus Christ. Perry is fucking nuts. From talking about nullification of federal laws, succession from the union, and cozying up to neo-confederates...this southern-fried cracker really runs the table. He is a disgrace to Texas and to our country. I find it nigh unbelievable that the kind of sedition he advocates actually gets him votes. Even more so that people who claim to hate the government actually campaign on that hatred to get them elected into the government.

The bullies getting ahead in life...

Achilles Tang Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:28:35am

re: #13 celticdragon

I get the impression that there are two types of supporters. Those who just as nuts, but stupider and those who only spend a few minutes per week actually thinking about any of this, but latch onto one slogan or another and think that's all they need to know.

Alexzander Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:28:41am

Was just over at the stalker blog. Its been particularly hateful over there recently - to the point where some of the posters actually called the editor (?) on it. Sigh.

theheat Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:30:07am

re: #8 publicityStunted

OT - Odds are those conchos on the spur straps in the photo were made in China. Just like half this Texas star / God Bless America shit.

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:32:49am

Basically we're looking at the Rick Perry-Alex Jones-Ron Paul- The Fed Conspiracy-Prisonplanet-Drudge Report-Republican Party hybrid.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:33:12am

certainly think threatening the Fed chairman is probably not a good idea.

Awkwardly worded.

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:34:20am

re: #19 000G

Awkwardly worded.

He was speaking off the cuff in response to a question. It wasn't a prepared statement, although the talking point was probably discussed beforehand.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:34:22am

re: #16 Alexzander

Was just over at the stalker blog. Its been particularly hateful over there recently - to the point where some of the posters actually called the editor (?) on it. Sigh.

I got another starring post, in which it was revealed to the world that I am a 'manic-depressant'. (I can only assume that this means I run around depressing people with a wild glint in my eyes.)

zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:34:40am

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

*** And did his remarks hurt him -- or help him? Those comments -- especially those regarding the Fed -- must be making some folks on Wall Street and in the GOP establishment very nervous right now. Bernanke, after all, was an original Bush appointee. The question becomes: Do Perry’s remarks disqualify him among some in the GOP establishment? Or is this where the Republican primary voters are right now? Perry supporters will argue that he was joking and simply Perry being Perry. The importance of getting establishment money and support will be known later today if somehow we hear the slightest walk-back of the Bernanke comments. Bottom line: We got a glimpse of the Perry that some Romney supporters believe will be the Texan's undoing. It also won't quiet the Ryan-Christie speculation.

Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:35:29am

This is just in line with those "Second Amendment Remedies" that are so popular with True American patriots (TM)

Interesting Times Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:37:04am

re: #17 theheat

OT - Odds are those conchos on the spur straps in the photo were made in China. Just like half this Texas star / God Bless America shit.

China? Sure we can get all our jobs back from there! Just get rid of regulations and the EPA!

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:37:13am

re: #22 zora

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

I'm thinking that's why the White House commented. They just hung a big ol' piece of bait in front of Perry's nose.

And it's interesting that First Read brings up Ryan and Christie yet again. That's a sign of how dismal the current GOP field is.

What happens when they run out of back-benchers to pin their hopes on?

Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:37:23am

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

I got another starring post, in which it was revealed to the world that I am a 'manic-depressant'. (I can only assume that this means I run around depressing people with a wild glint in my eyes.)

Working your way towards the full Michelle Bachmann death-laser glare?

Big Steve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:37:28am

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

I got another starring post, in which it was revealed to the world that I am a 'manic-depressant'. (I can only assume that this means I run around depressing people with a wild glint in my eyes.)

I still like you....you are my favorite person to upding!

theheat Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:37:35am

re: #22 zora

And did his remarks hurt him -- or help him

It'll be a boost, most certainly. The teabaggers and noisiest peeps in the GOP jerk off over this "gonna kick some ass" stuff. It's a battle cry, a rallying point; it's gets 'em hard.

Alexzander Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:37:36am

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

I got another starring post, in which it was revealed to the world that I am a 'manic-depressant'. (I can only assume that this means I run around depressing people with a wild glint in my eyes.)

Yeah that was one of the ones where even the posters were kind of in disbelief. I certainly was. I hope it wasn't too upsetting for you to see people gloating over misinformation like that.

RadicalModerate Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:39:18am

re: #13 celticdragon

Jesus Christ. Perry is fucking nuts. From talking about nullification of federal laws, succession from the union, and cozying up to neo-confederates...this southern-fried cracker really runs the table. He is a disgrace to Texas and to our country. I find it nigh unbelievable that the kind of sedition he advocates actually gets him votes. Even more so that people who claim to hate the government actually campaign on that hatred to get them elected into the government.

Nah. His location choice of announcing his Presidential candidacy was JUST A COINCIDENCE.
Rick Perry chooses birthplace of Confederacy to begin presidential campaign

Rick Perry's Confederate past

iceweasel Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:40:59am

re: #16 Alexzander

Was just over at the stalker blog. Its been particularly hateful over there recently - to the point where some of the posters actually called the editor (?) on it. Sigh.

But they never do anything but hate. What's surprising?

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:41:16am

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

I got another starring post, in which it was revealed to the world that I am a 'manic-depressant'. (I can only assume that this means I run around depressing people with a wild glint in my eyes.)

Don't they know how to spell "bipolar"?

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:41:49am

re: #29 Alexzander

Yeah that was one of the ones where even the posters were kind of in disbelief. I certainly was. I hope it wasn't too upsetting for you to see people gloating over misinformation like that.

Eh, the guy who put it up has already called me a racist, a religious bigot, a Hamas collaborator, and some other stuff--I may as well be mentally ill as well.

These guys are just a little too weird to worry over.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:42:00am

re: #13 celticdragon

Jesus Christ. Perry is fucking nuts. From talking about nullification of federal laws, succession from the union, and cozying up to neo-confederates...

Yes. All things old are new again. It never went away.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:43:07am

re: #32 Alouette

Don't they know how to spell "bipolar"?

Hard to tell. Interesting that they fixed on that particular thing, though.

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:43:16am

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

I got another starring post, in which it was revealed to the world that I am a 'manic-depressant'. (I can only assume that this means I run around depressing people with a wild glint in my eyes.)

Yeah. And there's nothing manic about being obsessed with a blog you go blocked from nearly 4 years ago and reading same said blog almost 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and keeping track of each commenter personal lives. saving the images post by same commenter and keeping another site which tracks the daily statistics of each commenter from same blog. They keep what would amount to a personal dossier on people here. Nope. That's not manic at all.

Bulworth Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:43:16am

re: #16 Alexzander

Was just over at the stalker blog. Its been particularly hateful over there recently - to the point where some of the posters actually called the editor (?) on it. Sigh.

The stalker blog? Gellar's place?

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:43:25am

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

Eh, the guy who put it up has already called me a racist, a religious bigot, a Hamas collaborator, and some other stuff--I may as well be mentally ill as well.

These guys are just a little too weird to worry over.

Do they ever say anything about me?

laZardo Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:44:54am

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

I got another starring post, in which it was revealed to the world that I am a 'manic-depressant'. (I can only assume that this means I run around depressing people with a wild glint in my eyes.)

YOU TOOK MAH JOB. ;_;

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:44:57am

re: #37 Bulworth

The stalker blog? Gellar's place?

No, there is an entire blog of the banned who do nothing but obsess over Charles and LGF, even though they were blocked from posting here years ago.

Obdicut Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:45:45am

re: #28 theheat

It'll be a boost, most certainly. The teabaggers and noisiest peeps in the GOP jerk off over this "gonna kick some ass" stuff. It's a battle cry, a rallying point; it's gets 'em hard.

While at the same time being hypersensitive of any threats, perceived or otherwise, towards themselves.

That's why they can't ride the train in DC.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:46:03am

re: #38 Alouette

Do they ever say anything about me?

I check over there very rarely these days, but when your name has come up, it's in the context of you not being sufficiently pro-Israel.

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:46:32am

re: #41 Obdicut

While at the same time being hypersensitive of any threats, perceived or otherwise, towards themselves.

That's why they can't ride the train in DC.

Dan Riehl

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:46:48am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

I check over there very rarely these days, but when your name has come up, it's in the context of you not being sufficiently pro-Israel.

This seems to have replaced the earlier period, in which they assumed that the rampant anti-Israel feeling here would get you to go over to them.

JeffM70 Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:46:59am

Unspoken in all of this is the fact the Fed doesn't print money like Mr. Goodhair seems to believe.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:47:16am

re: #43 Gus 802

Dan Riehl

I remember Riehl. And his train issue.

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:47:46am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

I check over there very rarely these days, but when your name has come up, it's in the context of you not being sufficiently pro-Israel.

Wait, what?

celticdragon Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:47:53am

re: #34 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yes. All things old are new again. It never went away.

That is why I refuse to go along with suggestions from the previous thread that Perry's patriotism should not be questioned. I damned sure do question it. He is a neo-Confederate apologist and a seditionist. He has suggested that succession is a viable response to federal laws that he does not like. His candidacy has nothing to do with love of country. It is about having the power to advance his noisome views and force them upon the rest of us.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:48:24am

re: #47 Alouette

Wait, what?

Don't feel too bad. It turns out I'm anti-Christian.

zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:48:31am

Karl Rove Piles On Rick Perry: Bernanke Line ‘Not A Presidential Statement’

"You don't accuse the chairman of the federal reserve of being a traitor to his country. Of being guilty of treason," Karl Rove told Fox News Tuesday. "And, suggesting that we treat him pretty ugly in texas. You know, that is not, again a presidential statement."

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:48:31am

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

I remember Riehl. And his train issue.

Dan Riehl's Imaginary Black Kid Beatdown

Right wing blogger Dan Riehl takes a ride on the DC Metro after the tea party protest, and lapses into a reverie about putting a serious beatdown on some black children: Riehl World View: A 9/12 Experience: Dangerous Times...

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:48:54am

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

This seems to have replaced the earlier period, in which they assumed that the rampant anti-Israel feeling here would get you to go over to them.

What rampant anti-Israel feeling here?

celticdragon Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:48:54am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

I check over there very rarely these days, but when your name has come up, it's in the context of you not being sufficiently pro-Israel.

LOL. Do I get mentioned?

Obdicut Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:49:10am

re: #43 Gus 802

Dan Riehl

has beaten black teenagers in his mind. That's how hard he is.

I fought a unicorn-bear in my mind and trashed it. I forget, are unicorn-bears tougher or easier than black teenagers? We better ask Dan Riehl.

[Link: www.sadlyno.com...]

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:49:39am

A story that is lost amidst all the Perry-mania:

In what appears to be an effort to avoid the free-for-all town halls that have plagued recent contentious congressional recesses, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and other Republican members of Congress have chosen to charge admission to their home-district appearances.

Ryan will speak September 6 to the Whitnall Park Rotary Club in Greenfield, Wisc. Admission to the event is $15 per person and includes lunch.

Ryan has no free public town hall appearances scheduled during the recess.

link

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:50:24am

re: #51 Gus 802

Dan Riehl's Imaginary Black Kid Beatdown

Riehl is another socon bigot, afraid of 8 year olds. And they wonder why we don't respect them, and just laugh in their faces. /Schadenfreude.

allegro Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:50:28am

re: #50 zora

Karl Rove Piles On Rick Perry: Bernanke Line ‘Not A Presidential Statement’

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

He'll walk that back as soon as Limbaugh instructs him to.

SteveMcG Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:50:45am

What is the stalker blog?

Bulworth Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:51:16am

re: #55 makeitstop

A story that is lost amidst all the Perry-mania:

link

Freedom!

Big Steve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:51:43am

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

It turns out I'm anti-Christian.

damn....I wanted that reputation.....will you give it up to me, cause, I really am anti-christian.

zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:51:46am

re: #55 makeitstop

A story that is lost amidst all the Perry-mania:

link

he wouldn't be a real randian if he gave free access to constituents.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:51:56am

re: #52 Alouette

What rampant anti-Israel feeling here?

Clearly you don't know what a vile pit of all that is vile you're posting to.

You could check out the stalker blog to learn, but I really wouldn't recommend that. It's getting a little surreal over there.

engineer cat Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:51:56am

“real ugly” frontier justice

the nazis thrived on this kind of trangressive thrill, but i think the potential of sociopath power in the united states is more limited

celticdragon Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:52:11am

re: #54 Obdicut

has beaten black teenagers in his mind. That's how hard he is.

I fought a unicorn-bear in my mind and trashed it. I forget, are unicorn-bears tougher or easier than black teenagers? We better ask Dan Riehl.

[Link: www.sadlyno.com...]

I would love to see Dan Riehl get stuck in an Inception situation with about thirty black kids on a train...for ten years or so.

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:52:25am

re: #61 zora

he wouldn't be a real randian if he gave free access to constituents.

I wonder where the money will go?

Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:53:22am

re: #23 ralphieboy

This is just in line with those "Second Amendment Remedies" that are so popular with True American patriots (TM)

This is the wrong country to start an armed revolution especially since there just as many if not way more people that won't go along with it in the first place. What do they think they are? Bulletproof?

Youtube Video

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:53:31am

re: #48 celticdragon

That is why I refuse to go along with suggestions from the previous thread that Perry's patriotism should not be questioned. I damned sure do question it. He is a neo-Confederate apologist and a seditionist. He has suggested that succession is a viable response to federal laws that he does not like. His candidacy has nothing to do with love of country. It is about having the power to advance his noisome views and force them upon the rest of us.

I would say, it's even worse than that. These socons' goal is to once again take the taxes of the rest of us, to turn around and suppress us. This segregation era ticket says it best.

Image: taxes.jpg

Obdicut Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:53:39am

re: #64 celticdragon

I'd like to see him set stuck in an Inception situation with five other Dan Rhiels. I think they couldn't stand each other. Who could?

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:53:43am

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Clearly you don't know what a vile pit of all that is vile you're posting to.

You could check out the stalker blog to learn, but I really wouldn't recommend that. It's getting a little surreal over there.

My plan is working! Bwahahahaha!

I didn't think it would be possible for them to get worse. Apparently I was wrong. We must really be effective at getting on their sensitive little nerves.

Big Steve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:53:54am

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Clearly you don't know what a vile pit of all that is vile you're posting to.

You could check out the stalker blog to learn, but I really wouldn't recommend that. It's getting a little surreal over there.

whats it called.....I can google it....don't need to send a link

Interesting Times Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:54:07am

re: #65 makeitstop

I wonder where the money will go?

Down the hatch

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:54:53am

re: #68 Obdicut

I'd like to see him set stuck in an Inception situation with five other Dan Rhiels. I think they couldn't stand each other. Who could?

I agree. Misery upon misery upon self-induced misery. Concentric circles of misery.

Charleston Chew Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:54:56am

re: #30 RadicalModerate

Nah. His location choice of announcing his Presidential candidacy was JUST A COINCIDENCE.
Rick Perry chooses birthplace of Confederacy to begin presidential campaign

Rick Perry's Confederate past

If he gets the nomination he'll be going up against a President who announced his candidacy where Abraham Lincoln delivered his "House Divided" speech in 1858. Kinda fitting in a sad way.

zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:54:58am

re: #65 makeitstop

I wonder where the money will go?

reelection coffers, i suppose. rand paul is not the only one charging.

Rep. Ben Quayle (R-Ariz.) is scheduled to appear Aug. 23 at a luncheon gathering of the Arizona Republican Lawyers Association. For $35, attendees can question Quayle and enjoy a catered lunch at the Phoenix office of the Snell & Wilmer law firm.
And Rep. Chip Cravaack (R-Minn.) took heat in Duluth this weekend for holding private events in his district’s population and media center — including a $10-per-head meeting to be hosted next week by the local chapter of the National Federation of Independent Businesses, which on its invitation notes that the organization “supported Chip in his stunning upset over longtime Congressman Jim Oberstar in the 2010 election.”

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:55:02am

re: #53 celticdragon

LOL. Do I get mentioned?

Not that I've noticed, but really, I run through there screaming once in a while, and take note if my name is in big lights.

celticdragon Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:55:25am

re: #68 Obdicut

I'd like to see him set stuck in an Inception situation with five other Dan Rhiels. I think they couldn't stand each other. Who could?

They could all try to beat easch other asses in a non stop revolving hotel hall. That would be comedy for days...

Big Steve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:55:40am

re: #50 zora

Karl Rove Piles On Rick Perry: Bernanke Line ‘Not A Presidential Statement’

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

we are getting jobbed here. Rove is great buddies with Rick Perry and in fact is supposedly the guy who talked him into switching parties 20 years ago.

Bulworth Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:55:52am

"In what appears to be an effort to avoid the free-for-all town halls that have plagued recent contentious congressional recesses, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and other Republican members of Congress have chosen to charge admission to their home-district appearances."

Oh the incivility. I can't imagine anyone (cough, teabaggers, cough) being so crude as to try to disrupt congressional townhalls.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:56:08am

re: #60 Big Steve

damn...I wanted that reputation...will you give it up to me, cause, I really am anti-christian.

Sure, go for it. I am not at all anti-Christian, I just referred to the Pope as "Mr. Ratzinger" once, in a rant about some talk he'd given. The crown is yours.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:56:52am

re: #64 celticdragon

I would love to see Dan Riehl get stuck in an Inception situation with about thirty black kids on a train...for ten years or so.

What do you have against these thirty black kids, that you want them to spend ten years of their young lives on a train with Dan Riehl?

Obdicut Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:57:20am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure, go for it. I am not at all anti-Christian, I just referred to the Pope as "Mr. Ratzinger" once, in a rant about some talk he'd given. The crown is yours.

I think with Lazardo around, the anti-Christian crown is kind of taken.

And, you know, when he goes on anti-religious diatribes, he gets smacked around for it. So obviously that proves we're anti-Christian.

Because shut up.

Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:57:21am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure, go for it. I am not at all anti-Christian, I just referred to the Pope as "Mr. Ratzinger" once, in a rant about some talk he'd given. The crown is yours.

HERETIC!

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:58:15am

re: #70 Big Steve

whats it called...I can google it...don't need to send a link

If you Google "Diary of Daedalus" you're there. They have two, one that's just a blog they hang on, and this one, which is dedicated to carefully watching LGF and all the evil that we do.

Beware, it will blow your mind. They keep statistics. I'm not kidding.

Bulworth Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:58:23am

re: #55 makeitstop

A story that is lost amidst all the Perry-mania:

link

The best democracy money can buy.

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:58:53am

Since we're a bit OT. I ate all of the Magnum "Double Chocolate'! Nom, nom, nom, nom... Those things are goooood.

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:59:03am

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Clearly you don't know what a vile pit of all that is vile you're posting to.

You could check out the stalker blog to learn, but I really wouldn't recommend that. It's getting a little surreal over there.

I did get some comments over at ViciousBabushka.com, inviting me to visit the Dead Louse and "come to Jesus" (in a manner of speaking), but I deleted those comments and blocked the IPs so they don't swarm my blog.

Big Steve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:59:23am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure, go for it. I am not at all anti-Christian, I just referred to the Pope as "Mr. Ratzinger" once, in a rant about some talk he'd given. The crown is yours.

So long as it isn't a crown of thorns, I accept. I do so solemnly swear to uphold the office of Official LGF Anti-Christian.

Obdicut Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:59:34am

re: #85 Gus 802

Argh. I'm on a 1400 calorie a day diet.

zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:59:42am

re: #77 Big Steve

we are getting jobbed here. Rove is great buddies with Rick Perry and in fact is supposedly the guy who talked him into switching parties 20 years ago.

Karl Rove to Rick Perry: Quit dissing George W. Bush

Karl Rove made it clear today that he's none too happy about the way Rick Perry is treating his former boss, George W. Bush. Perry is aggressively distancing himself from Bush. Some tea party types Perry is seeking to woo think that Bush was a big spender. Perry's making it clear he's a different guy.

Rove was clearly steamed on Fox News this morning. He suggested Perry wouldn't be where he is today if it weren't for Bush: "Why he falls into this pattern of sounding like he's being dismissive of the former president is not smart politics, either strategically or tactically."

[Link: trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com...]

laZardo Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:59:50am

re: #85 Gus 802

Since we're a bit OT. I ate all of the Magnum "Double Chocolate'! Nom, nom, nom, nom... Those things are goood.

Why'd you eat your Magnum? You have so much to live for!

wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:01:47am

re: #88 Obdicut

Argh. I'm on a 1400 calorie a day diet.

And you can still type?!? O:

celticdragon Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:01:55am

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

What do you have against these thirty black kids, that you want them to spend ten years of their young lives on a train with Dan Riehl?

They would just be projections, of course. No actual dreaming kids would be involved. ;)

Shiplord Kirel Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:04:52am

I see that one of the commenters on this article has invoked the Communist Party USA's early endorsement of Obama's re-election. What relevance this has to the Bernanke threat story was not explained.

Actually, the relevance of real, live commies to much of anything is a bit fuzzy these days. There are probably as many Perrysites in my neighborhood as there are communists in the whole state.

Right-wingers still want to jail communists. That is impossible of course but how about putting them in a zoo somewhere? That way they could be saved from imminent extinction and preserved for future generations to study. They would go voluntarily if we made it nice enough: Free wine, cheese, and cabbage soup for life, and a landscaped habitat with plenty of rotten stumps and improvised stages from which they could deliver their endless harangues. We could include a small wheat field and a miniature tractor factory where they could ply their hammers and sickles for the wondering public. A 1930s printing press and plenty of ink would round out the amenities, so they could stay amused and busy forever.

Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:05:14am

re: #88 Obdicut

Argh. I'm on a 1400 calorie a day diet.

That would kill me if it was any lower.

Obdicut Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:07:43am

re: #91 wrenchwench

And you can still type?!? O:

I'm a little loopy, but yeah, it's not so bad. I'm not exercising, though, not until I get into this groove a little.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:07:51am

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

If you Google "Diary of Daedalus" you're there. They have two, one that's just a blog they hang on, and this one, which is dedicated to carefully watching LGF and all the evil that we do.

Beware, it will blow your mind. They keep statistics. I'm not kidding.

Lol their .xls spreadsheets are hilarious. I never go there unless they show up in my referrers. Hasn't happened in several weeks, so eff 'em.

Big Steve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:09:04am

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

Beware, it will blow your mind. They keep statistics. I'm not kidding.

Well if they keep statistics.....9 inches......

iossarian Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:09:52am

re: #97 Big Steve

Well if they keep statistics...9 inches...

Pah! My head circumference is much larger than that!

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:10:30am

Ok, work time. BBL.

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makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:11:33am

AHAHAHA! I just went there for the first time and one of my comments is featured.

Does that mean I've got my Lizard scales for realz now? :)

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Big Steve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:12:23am

re: #98 iossarian

Pah! My head circumference is much larger than that!

I was referring to circumference also....they don't call me Big Steve for nothing (bada bom!)

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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:12:50am

re: #95 Obdicut

I'm a little loopy, but yeah, it's not so bad. I'm not exercising, though, not until I get into this groove a little.

I think I had 1,400 calories for breakfast...and I'm a little hungry now.

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:13:01am

re: #100 makeitstop

AHAHAHA! I just went there for the first time and one of my comments is featured.

Does that mean I've got my Lizard scales for realz now? :)

Congratulations. Here ya' go.

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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:14:10am

re: #103 Gus 802

Congratulations. Here ya' go.

I must not have mine yet. I couldn't access that.

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makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:16:16am

re: #104 wrenchwench

I must not have mine yet. I couldn't access that.

Me, neither. It's the thought that counts, though.

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:16:29am

There it is!

@TPM Talking Points Memo
Rasmussen: Perry takes the lead, four (official) days in [Link: t.co...]

OK. Rasmussen. But it's going to happen. Perry, IMO, will get the GOP crown for November.

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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:17:46am

re: #50 zora

Karl Rove Piles On Rick Perry: Bernanke Line ‘Not A Presidential Statement’

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I am not sure: I see a power struggle shaping up here, KR realizes he made a bad mistake in walking back on Christine O'Donnell and might even try to lead the establishment wing of the GOP to try and wrest control of the party back.

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Big Steve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:17:52am

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

If you Google "Diary of Daedalus" you're there. They have two, one that's just a blog they hang on, and this one, which is dedicated to carefully watching LGF and all the evil that we do.

Beware, it will blow your mind. They keep statistics. I'm not kidding.

Hey I looked and out exchange her got featured....its like we got married in the Bizarro Universe!

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:19:22am

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

Not that I've noticed, but really, I run through there screaming once in a while, and take note if my name is in big lights.

Doi you wear pants or do you streak?

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:19:31am

re: #108 Big Steve

Hey I looked and out exchange her got featured...its like we got married in the Bizarro Universe!

Sometimes they're blogging on us almost in real time. Another weird element.

*hi, guys!**waves*

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iossarian Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:19:55am

re: #106 Gus 802

There it is!

@TPM Talking Points Memo
Rasmussen: Perry takes the lead, four (official) days in [Link: t.co...]

OK. Rasmussen. But it's going to happen. Perry, IMO, will get the GOP crown for November.

I thought so until today, but with this "lynch the fed" stuff today, I'm not sure that Perry will be able to avoid a truly toxic statement over the next few months. I'm not saying today's comments qualify, by the way, just that they suggest that he'll say something really stupid.

I'm not a James Carville fan particularly, but I believe he said he likes Republicans like Perry because he's "none too bright and likes to run his mouth".

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:20:10am

re: #109 Alouette

Doi you wear pants or do you streak?

I wear a burqa, of course! Hot pink.

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iossarian Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:21:13am

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

I wear a burqa, of course! Hot pink.

SEXUAL NAPALM!!!

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Obdicut Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:21:31am

re: #113 iossarian

SEXUAL NAPALM!!!

That would be a great band name.

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:21:47am

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

I wear a burqa, of course! Hot pink.

That reminds me. I still have not visited that cute little hijab boutique. I suppose I should go soon, and get my Official Dhimmi^TM badge.

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iossarian Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:22:07am

re: #114 Obdicut

That would be a great band name.

It's how John Mayer described Jessica Simson IIRC.

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Big Steve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:22:24am

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

Sometimes they're blogging on us almost in real time. Another weird element.

*hi, guys!**waves*

Yea.....you hear about people with no self esteem and zero lives but it still is equally impressive to see one live.

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:22:47am

re: #50 zora

Karl Rove Piles On Rick Perry: Bernanke Line ‘Not A Presidential Statement’

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

When Karl Rove is out there publicly trying to talk you back from the ledge, that should be a giant red flag that you've gone too far.

Too bad Perry will ignore it, since Rove is Bush's man and Perry loathes Bush.

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makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:22:47am

re: #111 iossarian

I thought so until today, but with this "lynch the fed" stuff today, I'm not sure that Perry will be able to avoid a truly toxic statement over the next few months. I'm not saying today's comments qualify, by the way, just that they suggest that he'll say something really stupid.

I'm not a James Carville fan particularly, but I believe he said he likes Republicans like Perry because he's "none too bright and likes to run his mouth".

That goes back to my comment upthread - I think Carney made specific mention of Perry today because the White House wants to see if they can goad him into saying something really stupid.

I expect that Perry won't disappoint them.

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:23:33am

re: #111 iossarian

I thought so until today, but with this "lynch the fed" stuff today, I'm not sure that Perry will be able to avoid a truly toxic statement over the next few months. I'm not saying today's comments qualify, by the way, just that they suggest that he'll say something really stupid.

I'm not a James Carville fan particularly, but I believe he said he likes Republicans like Perry because he's "none too bright and likes to run his mouth".

The TGOP is going to eat this stuff up. The rank and file will fall into place much like the did in supporting Sharron Angle, Christine O'Donnell and especially Rand Paul. Rick Perry speaks their language.

Rick Perry, the “no apologies” candidate

Twelve hours removed from a controversy about his suggestion that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke was engaging in “treasonous” behavior Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s presidential campaign didn’t try to walk back the remark. In fact, they doubled down on it.

“The governor was passionate and energized by a full day” on the campaign trail, Perry spokesman Ray Sullivan told the Post’s Dan Balz. Sullivan added that “you’ll just have to listen to what the governor says every day” when asked if the rhetoric was too harsh.

Although Perry’s campaign is only a few days old, the episode provides a telling insight into the Texas governor: he is brash, bold and unapologetic about being so.

And that just might make him a perfect fit for the current Republican primary electorate who is mad as hell and not going to take it anymore...

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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:23:42am

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Clearly you don't know what a vile pit of all that is vile you're posting to.

You could check out the stalker blog to learn, but I really wouldn't recommend that. It's getting a little surreal over there.

Surreal is an understatement. Woah. Obsessive.

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:24:15am

re: #121 eclectic infidel

Surreal is an understatement. Woah. Obsessive.

Most of them have serious OCD.

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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:24:47am

re: #115 Alouette

That reminds me. I still have not visited that cute little hijab boutique. I suppose I should go soon, and get my Official Dhimmi^TM badge.

I got a picture in Malaysia (Langkawi) of two women in full burka shopping in a lingerie store. Tourists most likely since full burka is not that common there - the traditional garb is just a head scarf and any sort of facial covering.

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:26:09am

re: #77 Big Steve

we are getting jobbed here. Rove is great buddies with Rick Perry and in fact is supposedly the guy who talked him into switching parties 20 years ago.

That was true 20 years ago. Not so much anymore.

Remember -- Bush and Perry hate each other, and Perry also is a vindictive sumbitch. Rove is closely aligned with Bush and he's criticizing Perry in public. Goodhair won't like that at all.

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iossarian Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:26:52am

re: #120 Gus 802

I agree, it could go either way. I suppose what I'm saying is that until today I thought Perry was overwhelmingly likely to win, whereas now I can see a possible self-destruction path for him.

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Big Steve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:27:34am

re: #119 makeitstop

I expect that Perry won't disappoint them.

Actually, one thing Perry is not is a gaff machine. He has a very professional staff and he is historically is careful. His whole "treat him ugly down here in Texas" comment was surely well thought out.

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:27:45am

re: #123 oaktree

I got a picture in Malaysia (Langkawi) of two women in full burka shopping in a lingerie store. Tourists most likely since full burka is not that common there - the traditional garb is just a head scarf and any sort of facial covering.

I only ever once saw a lady in full burqa down here in Dearborn. It was about 10 years ago.

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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:28:01am

re: #118 Lidane

When Karl Rove is out there publicly trying to talk you back from the ledge, that should be a giant red flag that you've gone too far.

Too bad Perry will ignore it, since Rove is Bush's man and Perry loathes Bush.

I see a major power struggle shaping up in the GOP, Karl Rove is not going to back down this time, he sees how much damage the Tea party can wreak on the party if it left unchecked.

He also made comments (that he was later smacked down for) about Christine O'Donnel not being fit for the office she was campaigning for but it was the likes of CO'D, Angle, and Miller in Alaska that may have cost the GOP control of the Senate, and are about to make the Republican majority in the House a moot point by being out of control.

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laZardo Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:29:45am

re: #127 Alouette

I only ever once saw a lady in full burqa down here in Dearborn. It was about 10 years ago.

The most 'covering' we get around Seattle is headscarves and long-sleeves. Mostly from the East African community.

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Summer Seale Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:29:46am

OT:

Note: To all the Tea Partiers out there, and all the naysayers, I give you this gift of a story that should make you stand back a second:

Depression-Era Banker: Economic Worries Overblown .

This is worth reading for three minutes of anyone's time. At 105, and still working every single day, and having been in the market since before the Great Depression, this man knows what it's all about.

At least, they sure make it seem so. =)

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:30:47am

re: #128 ralphieboy

I see a major power struggle shaping up in the GOP, Karl Rove is not going to back down this time, he sees how much damage the Tea party can wreak on the party if it left unchecked.

Especially after the Tea Party cost us our AAA credit rating.

I think you're right. We're going to see a power struggle in the GOP between the establishment and the teabaggers, especially after we almost defaulted for no reason at all.

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:31:18am

re: #125 iossarian

I agree, it could go either way. I suppose what I'm saying is that until today I thought Perry was overwhelmingly likely to win, whereas now I can see a possible self-destruction path for him.

Sure, that can happen too. He'll get the final nod while continuing on the road to self-destruction with a segment independent voters -- while getting support from other independent voters. But I think that's what Obama wants though. You want a crackpot like Perry running against you because he make for a rather easy target on all fronts. I think the key to politics is to not analyze things as you might might see them though but putting yourself in other people's place. Call it political empathy. So while we might think this "treasonous" comment was out there, there are people who thinks he hit the right tone. Especially when you consider the polling on GOP voters who think Obama was born in Kenya, Islam, creationism, the Christian nation ideal, etc.

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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:32:02am

Squirrel blows out power in Manassas
Thanks! I really appreciated having to reset all my clocks!
/

Good afternoon.

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:32:53am

re: #127 Alouette

I only ever once saw a lady in full burqa down here in Dearborn. It was about 10 years ago.

I've seen one woman in a niqab. She was at the same dentist's office I go to. Her husband went to the exam room for her dental cleaning and exam because the dentist was a man.

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:33:18am

re: #128 ralphieboy

I see a major power struggle shaping up in the GOP, Karl Rove is not going to back down this time, he sees how much damage the Tea party can wreak on the party if it left unchecked.

He also made comments (that he was later smacked down for) about Christine O'Donnel not being fit for the office she was campaigning for but it was the likes of CO'D, Angle, and Miller in Alaska that may have cost the GOP control of the Senate, and are about to make the Republican majority in the House a moot point by being out of control.

Right. And Rove did try that with O'Donnell. Then he backed down and nearly apologized. He'll likely do the same some time in the future. The GOP went ahead in supporting O'Donnell (and Angle). These two candidates will not necessarily dictate the final outcome in November of 2012 if Perry is the final candidate.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:33:34am

re: #134 Lidane

I've seen one woman in a niqab. She was at the same dentist's office I go to. Her husband went to the exam room for her dental cleaning and exam because the dentist was a man.

Wouldn't it be easier to find a lady dentist than to bring your husband to your cleanings?

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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:34:41am

re: #129 laZardo

The most 'covering' we get around Seattle is headscarves and long-sleeves. Mostly from the East African community.

You could almost do ethnic group sorting of the women by dress in Malaysia. Headscarf and loose kaftan robe = Malay. Western clothing = Chinese. Sari (or western) = Indian. Full burqa was usually tourists from the Middle East or Europe. Some Malay women mixing Western style with the headscarf of course.

There was some traditional dress among the men, but usually Western clothing (jeans, T-shirt, etc.) even when the women were dressed traditionally.

And the women do swim and snorkel wearing the robe and headscarf. (And usually a life jacket as well.)

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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:35:08am

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

Wouldn't it be easier to find a lady dentist than to bring your husband to your cleanings?

I'd be the husband making ~~stupid~~ funny comments the whole time.

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Randall Gross Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:36:14am

I've always thought that Perry was in it to draw the far right fundamentalist line: the crazier he appears, the more moderate Bachmann and the other candidates appear. I don't think he's ever stood a chance of being elected president, and his chance at the nomination is pretty slim. Meanwhile the other candidates are out there skating past the media and the public with views that are almost as extreme.

Note how Bachmann distanced herself from radical church, and distanced herself from her husband's gay therapy counseling. I think Perry will go so far, get the fundamentalists fired up and then drop out throwing his supporters to Bachmann or someone else.

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:36:39am

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

Wouldn't it be easier to find a lady dentist than to bring your husband to your cleanings?

Well, the dentist did end up adding a female partner later on, so the woman in niqab could have switched to her instead. I have no idea.

I'm thinking that he used the dentist and having them both go to the same one made it easier for appointments/insurance/etc.

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:36:46am

Also keep in mind that Rove is on the outs with the TGOP. Rove is basically another RINO in their eyes. Bush has even become a RINO in the revisionist view of the glory days of the GWOT/Bush years. There are many things like TARP which has destroyed his legacy and support with the American far right. This is why Perry is seizing on the opportunity of Bush bashing which one of their spiritual leaders, Glenn Beck, seized upon to the point of calling George W. Bush a progressive. So if they don't like the message from Rove they won't even consider it. The response will be to throw Rove under the bus much as they did with Bush and carry on with Perry.

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:38:48am

re: #141 Gus 802

Also keep in mind that Rove is on the outs with the TGOP. Rove is basically another RINO in their eyes. Bush has even become a RINO in the revisionist view of the glory days of the GWOT/Bush years. There are many things like TARP which has destroyed his legacy and support with the American far right. This is why Perry is seizing on the opportunity of Bush bashing which one of their spiritual leaders, Glenn Beck, seized upon to the point of calling George W. Bush a progressive. So if they don't like the message from Rove they won't even consider it. The response will be to throw Rove under the bus much as they did with Bush and carry on with Perry.

Look through these links.

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HAL2010 Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:38:58am

Good question. Think a reporter will ask this?

Here's the question I'd like to see Perry asked:

Your predecessor as governor of Texas, George W. Bush, appointed Ben Bernanke to the Fed in 2006. In 2008, during an election year in which the Republican incumbency was threatened, Bernanke effectively doubled the monetary base. In other words, he more or less printed money on a massive scale. Was that "almost treasonous"? If so, what is Bush's culpability, given that he knew beforehand from Bernanke's academic work that he would print money in response to a financial crisis?

link (via Andrew Sullivan)

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:39:50am

Right, Rove will be derided the same way he was when he criticized O'Donnell last year and it's absolutely true that the Bush administration has been rewritten to make them moderate even progressive by conservative standards. It's the standard procedure for most conservative pundits/activists. If something goes wrong with a conservative Republicans's policies, it will be because he wasn't a conservative at all. A really amusing tactic. Glad the WH responded to Perry's saber-rattling. What a dipshit.

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allegro Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:40:34am

re: #139 Thanos

I've always thought that Perry was in it to draw the far right fundamentalist line: the crazier he appears, the more moderate Bachmann and the other candidates appear. I don't think he's ever stood a chance of being elected president, and his chance at the nomination is pretty slim. Meanwhile the other candidates are out there skating past the media and the public with views that are almost as extreme.

Note how Bachmann distanced herself from radical church, and distanced herself from her husband's gay therapy counseling. I think Perry will go so far, get the fundamentalists fired up and then drop out throwing his supporters to Bachmann or someone else.

Clearly you don't know much about Perry. He is in it to win. He wouldn't have entered the race if he didn't think he had a real good chance to win. He would NEVER throw his support to Bachmann (or anyone with a vagina for that matter). This man is above all else a narcissist.

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:41:14am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Right, Rove will be derided the same way he was when he criticized O'Donnell last year and it's absolutely true that the Bush administration has been rewritten to make them moderate even progressive by conservative standards. It's the standard procedure for most conservative pundits/activists. If something goes wrong with a conservative Republicans's policies, it will be because he wasn't a conservative at all. A really amusing tactic. Glad the WH responded to Perry's saber-rattling. What a dipshit.

Yep. If you don't like the message, get rid of the messenger. That's what will be done with Rove. Again. The Rove era is finished.

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iossarian Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:41:55am

re: #143 HAL2010

Good question. Think a reporter will ask this?

link (via Andrew Sullivan)

It is a good question. In fact, it is:

TL;TPDC

(Too Long, Tea Partiers Don't Care)

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tomg51spence Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:42:13am

8 publicityStunted Tue, Aug 16, 2011 10:23:33am
Fun Texas Facts for Everyone!
#1 in workplace fatalities!
#1 in percentage of minimum-wage workers!
#1 in in percentage of people without health insurance!

Yee-haw!

Guess we need to go on strike. /

#1 in US Presidents in the last 50 years - 3 of 9

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:42:23am

re: #134 Lidane

I've seen one woman in a niqab. She was at the same dentist's office I go to. Her husband went to the exam room for her dental cleaning and exam because the dentist was a man.

The last time I saw somebody wearing niqab was on a flight from Detroit to Frankfurt in 2008. A Yemeni family that consisted of pater familias, mother, several wives and undetermined number of children was aboard the plane. The flight was delayed in taking off because the flight attendants could not get a passenger count, as the Yemenis kept passing children over the rows of seats. Finally the flight crew just gave up and the plane took off.

Zedushka said he did not think they were terrorists but he did suspect that they boarded the plane with more children than they purchased tickets for.

The ladies did not remove their niqabs during the entire flight. Me, personally, I could not keep on a sheitel for that long.

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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:43:05am

re: #133 Varek Raith

Squirrel blows out power in Manassas
Thanks! I really appreciated having to reset all my clocks!
/

Good afternoon.

We had a momentary outage from lightning last night. One cat was under the bed because of the thunder, and I was crouched to scritch the other cat, and a very loud *CRACK* sounded right outside the window, making me fall over. The second cat slinked toward the bed.

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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:45:13am

re: #145 allegro

Clearly you don't know much about Perry. He is in it to win. He wouldn't have entered the race if he didn't think he had a real good chance to win. He would NEVER throw his support to Bachmann (or anyone with a vagina for that matter). This man is above all else a narcissist.

He knows that he has a message that will sell. A simple formula: low taxes + lax regulation = jobs, jobs, jobs.

This goes over well in sound-byte, bullet-point form, and fits neatly into a 30-second TV spot with amber waves of grain, purple mountain majesties and stirring music swelling in the background.

It is irrelevant as to whether this assertion is backed up by any close analysis of the facts. You see, in order to analyze his claims you need whole sentences, even paragraphs to make a counter-case against them.

Nobody has the time or interest for that, and if you try it on a media panel discussion, you will get slapped down with standard TP talking points before you can finish your second sentence...

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:46:48am

re: #133 Varek Raith

Squirrel blows out power in Manassas
Thanks! I really appreciated having to reset all my clocks!
/

Good afternoon.

Better than finding a seven foot gator under your car. o_O

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:47:48am

Abramoff Ally Daniel Lapin Says Money Equals Spiritual Worth

Today on Robinson’s show, Abramoff’s close friend Lapin told Robinson that “money is a spiritual measure of what you have done for other human.” Accordingly, Abramoff must be one of the most moral, ethical and spiritual men in Washington.

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:49:57am

re: #153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Abramoff Ally Daniel Lapin Says Money Equals Spiritual Worth

Joel Osteen called. He wants his Prosperity Gospel back.

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Alexzander Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:50:07am

re: #153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Youtube Video

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:50:32am

re: #151 ralphieboy

He knows that he has a message that will sell. A simple formula: low taxes + lax regulation = jobs, jobs, jobs.

This goes over well in sound-byte, bullet-point form, and fits neatly into a 30-second TV spot with amber waves of grain, purple mountain majesties and stirring music swelling in the background.

It is irrelevant as to whether this assertion is backed up by any close analysis of the facts. You see, in order to analyze his claims you need whole sentences, even paragraphs to make a counter-case against them.

Nobody has the time or interest for that, and if you try it on a media panel discussion, you will get slapped down with standard TP talking points before you can finish your second sentence...

And he has to seize on the populism. Part of that populism includes being anti-Fed. A large portion of Americans see the Fed as a closed system benefiting the banks. This is transferable to the anti-Wall Street sentiment which spans both the left and right wings of American politics. Anti-Fed sentiment is found on both sides of the political spectrum. Perry can easily include Wall Street into the mix because Wall Street is perceived as a wholly Northeast or Manhattan "elitist" power base. During a speech in Iowa the other week Romney was confronted with anti-Wall Street chants while being generally heckled by the seemingly Tea Party like audience.

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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:51:02am

re: #153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Abramoff Ally Daniel Lapin Says Money Equals Spiritual Worth

This is a sad throwback to Calvinism: wealth as an outward sign of inner grace.

Yes, wealth can be an indication of a virtuous, moral life. But we have enough examples from real life that is not a 1:1 relationship.

Calvinism was an attempt to stuff a camel through the eye of a needle.

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Alexzander Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:52:41am

re: #154 Lidane

Joel Osteen called. He wants his Prosperity Gospel back.

Him and all of the supports of "New Thought," "The Secret" and a bunch of other horrific toxic mimics of spirituality.

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TheSwedish Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:53:21am

Mr. Johnson,

I see one of your longtime enemies, Joshua Trevino, is a top adviser to Perry. You should give Trevino heck about this, as all of his tweets on the subject thus far suggest he is just MARINATING in the stupid.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:55:33am

re: #153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Abramoff Ally Daniel Lapin Says Money Equals Spiritual Worth

Yes, because money is everything there is to a person. Seriously, what a load of crap. This btw is exactly why people "hate" the rich. This outright snobbery and contempt for people less off. But hey we just have class envy and are fermenting class warfare. Not people like Mr. Lapin who think if you ain't rich, you ain't shit as a person.

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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:56:20am

re: #152 Lidane

Better than finding a seven foot gator under your car. o_O

Yes indeedy!

OH HAI! JUS UNDR YER CAR WAITN TO EAT YA!

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:56:50am

Example. From the Perry website and cached:

DEBATE NIGHT FACT CHECK
January 14, 2010

DENTON - In tonight’s KERA debate, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison failed to explain her support for the $700 billion Wall Street bailout, abortion, sanctuary cities, and ACORN, as well as her failed efforts to increase Texas’ transportation funding and her false attacks on Texas’ economy, dropout rates, and private property rights.

Sen. Hutchison claims she did not vote for a $700 billion Wall Street bailout.

Before voting for the $700 billion Wall Street bailout, Sen. Hutchison wrote an op-ed titled "Bailouts Hurt Taxpayers and set a Dangerous Precedent," (SOURCE: Hutchison Federal website 9/19/08, [Link: hutchison.senate.gov...]

Senator Hutchison is the only person in this race who voted for the $700 billion dollar bailout for Wall Street.

4 times referencing TARP as a "bailout" for Wall Street.

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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:57:38am

Christian supremacist and conspiracy lunatic "Spengler" is now writing for PJM.

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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:58:47am

Fraulein Hitler?

Allies Plotted to Soften Hitler with Secret Estrogen Attack

According to recently declassified files from World War II, the British forces planned to lace Der Fuhrer's food with a female hormone to ease his aggressive tendencies.

The plot, hatched by British special forces, involved gaining access to Adolf Hitler's inner circle and lacing the Nazi leader's food with doses of estrogen in order to feminize the bloodthirsty ruler and temper his quest for world domination.

Rather than simply seek to poison the leader's food, the idea was to use the tasteless and odorless hormone to work around Hitler's personal food tasters.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:59:45am

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

Fraulein Hitler?

Allies Plotted to Soften Hitler with Secret Estrogen Attack

Well, good luck dealing with [Link: hipsterhitler.com...] //

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 11:59:59am

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

Fraulein Hitler?

Allies Plotted to Soften Hitler with Secret Estrogen Attack

Well it did make one of his balls shrivel up and fall off.
//

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:00:31pm

re: #157 ralphieboy

This is a sad throwback to Calvinism: wealth as an outward sign of inner grace.

Yes, wealth can be an indication of a virtuous, moral life. But we have enough examples from real life that is not a 1:1 relationship.

Calvinism was an attempt to stuff a camel through the eye of a needle.

Larry Flynt approximate net worth: $400 million
Status: Moral

Mother Theresa approximate net worth at time of death: N/A
Status: Sinner

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allegro Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:00:40pm

re: #166 Alouette

Well it did make one of his balls shrivel up and fall off.
//

Hitler was a Uni-baller?

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:00:58pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Christian supremacist and conspiracy lunatic "Spengler" is now writing for PJM.

Haven't heard of him... Can you give a gist of his views beyond these descriptions?

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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:01:16pm

re: #165 Sergey Romanov

Well, good luck dealing with [Link: hipsterhitler.com...] //

Image: emo_hitler-12807.jpg
/

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:01:23pm

Perry: ‘Put A Moratorium On All Regulations’

Yes, all of them:

Youtube Video

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:01:41pm

re: #169 Sergey Romanov

Haven't heard of him... Can you give a gist of his views beyond these descriptions?

You can look through here:

[Link: www.firstthings.com...]

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:02:01pm

re: #171 Lidane

Perry: ‘Put A Moratorium On All Regulations’

Yes, all of them:

[Video]

We don't need no stinkin clean food or water.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:02:10pm

re: #172 Gus 802

You can look through here:

[Link: www.firstthings.com...]

Aha, thanks.

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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:02:42pm

Speaking of Nazis...

Neo-Nazis in Germany Get Tricked By Trojan T-Shirts

Attendees at the Rock for Germany festival took home free t-shirts expressing neo-Nazi messages similar to the ones the concert-goers are spreading around the region. However, by the time the shirts made it home from the concert and in and out of the washer machine, the right-wing extremists discovered a completely different message on the shirts.

The words “Hardcore Rebels” had been replaced by the message “What your T-shirt can do, so can you – We’ll help you break with right-wing extremism.” The German organization Exit Deutschland partnered with the apparel company Trojan T-shirts to help spread the message that right wing militants can get out of their neo-Nazi lifestyles, especially with hopes they could reach teens who might not yet be fully involved in the growing movement.

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Jack Burton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:03:32pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Christian supremacist and conspiracy lunatic "Spengler" is now writing for PJM.

Egon?

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:03:40pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Christian supremacist and conspiracy lunatic "Spengler" is now writing for PJM.

Did I get the right "Spengler" KT?

[Link: www.firstthings.com...]

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zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:03:41pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

We don't need no stinkin clean food or water.

only the gop can stop the epa's reign of terror.

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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:04:05pm

re: #169 Sergey Romanov

Haven't heard of him... Can you give a gist of his views beyond these descriptions?

He was writing for some Asian newspaper a few years back. Among his more memorable claims was that Islam was the world's largest source of atheists (like Ayaan Hirsi Ali). These atheists were working to undermine Christian values and culture in Europe....or something like that. He's fairly popular with some of the Christian right.

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HAL2010 Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:04:07pm

re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Larry Flynt approximate net worth: $400 million
Status: Moral

Mother Theresa approximate net worth at time of death: N/A
Status: Sinner

She was awful, but it certainly had nothing to do with money. Hitchens has written about it.

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:04:48pm

Also, LOL Newt, thinking he's relevant or something:

Gingrich Suggests Same-Sex Marriage Is Responsible For Economic Woes

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makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:05:28pm

re: #126 Big Steve

Actually, one thing Perry is not is a gaff machine. He has a very professional staff and he is historically is careful. His whole "treat him ugly down here in Texas" comment was surely well thought out.

I'll defer to others' knowledge about Perry the campaigner. I've definitely heard that he's not prone to gaffes many times already.

But what if they goad him into saying something that he feels is in bounds, but will make independents and moderates recoil?

Obviously, Perry's idea of civil discourse is a lot different than most people's. If the White House can tweak him enough that he keeps raising the bar on what's 'outrageous,' it'll take its toll.

I know he's won a lot of elections in Texas. But he's playing in the Bigs now. Bush was smart enough to moderate his positions (or at least appear to moderate them) for a national office.

Can Perry do that?

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:05:48pm

re: #180 HAL2010

She was awful, but it certainly had nothing to do with money. Hitchens has written about it.

True, but I used an example framed for Lapin's audience.

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:06:01pm

re: #181 Lidane

Also, LOL Newt, thinking he's relevant or something:

Gingrich Suggests Same-Sex Marriage Is Responsible For Economic Woes

Right. And butterflies cause hurricanes.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:06:11pm

re: #181 Lidane

Also, LOL Newt, thinking he's relevant or something:

Gingrich Suggests Same-Sex Marriage Is Responsible For Economic Woes

I know many of us have done this already but can we as a whole stop acting like Newt is a conservative intellectual? He's not. Seriously, what a twit.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:06:39pm

re: #181 Lidane

Also, LOL Newt, thinking he's relevant or something:

Gingrich Suggests Same-Sex Marriage Is Responsible For Economic Woes

DAMN IT! I was this close to posting that.

YOU WILL RUE THE DAY!

RRRUUUEEE!

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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:06:46pm

re: #177 Gus 802

Did I get the right "Spengler" KT?

[Link: www.firstthings.com...]

Yeah, that's him. He has changed his style from 4-5 years ago. He used to write these giant "wall of text" essays like Fjordy.

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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:08:00pm

re: #181 Lidane

Also, LOL Newt, thinking he's relevant or something:

Gingrich Suggests Same-Sex Marriage Is Responsible For Economic Woes

"Freedom of Faith"?

Sorry, I want freedom from your brand of faith, Newt

189

HAL2010 Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:08:24pm

re: #183 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

True, but I used an example framed for Lapin's audience.

Fair dues.

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:08:57pm

I look forward to Gingrich and Santorum dropping out of the race.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:09:28pm

re: #190 Gus 802

I look forward to Gingrich and Santorum dropping out of the race.

Santorum dropping is sure to be messy.

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zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:09:55pm

re: #180 HAL2010

She was awful, but it certainly had nothing to do with money. Hitchens has written about it.

yes, caring for the poorest of the poor in the slums of calcutta. who did she think she was fooling? ////

193

Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:11:25pm

Bachmann wishes Elvis 'Happy Birthday' on anniversary of his death

"Before we get started, let's all say 'Happy Birthday' to Elvis Presley today," Bachmann greeted event attendees at a "Join Team Bachmann" rally in Spartanburg, SC.
"We played you a little bit of Promise Land when we pulled up. You can't do better than Elvis Presley and we thought we would celebrate his birthday as we get started celebrating taking our country back to work."

But Presley's birthday is in January, so the tea party darling's well wishes are eight months too late.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:12:48pm

re: #193 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann wishes Elvis 'Happy Birthday' on anniversary of his death

Heh. I think that's a funnier one than the Gacy-Wayne bit.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:13:17pm

re: #192 zora

yes, caring for the poorest of the poor in the slums of calcutta. who did she think she was fooling? ///

Hitchens can explain it best.

The pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.

I think it was Macaulay who said that the Roman Catholic Church deserved great credit for, and owed its longevity to, its ability to handle and contain fanaticism. This rather oblique compliment belongs to a more serious age. What is so striking about the "beatification" of the woman who styled herself "Mother" Teresa is the abject surrender, on the part of the church, to the forces of showbiz, superstition, and populism.

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zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:13:29pm

re: #193 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

bachmann: uh, did i say birthday. of course, i meant death day. lamestream media.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:14:31pm

re: #195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hitchens can explain it best.

The pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.

Autoupding for posting some facts about MT.

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Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:15:59pm

Perry is a fucking idiot. He embodies every negative Texas stereotype and makes George W. Bush look downright progressive.

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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:16:20pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Heh. I think that's a funnier one than the Gacy-Wayne bit.

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Heh. I think that's a funnier one than the Gacy-Wayne bit.

Elvis is everywhere. Elvis is everything. He is the Birth, Life and Resurrection. Birth is Life is Death is Elvis.

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allegro Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:17:00pm

re: #182 makeitstop

I'll defer to others' knowledge about Perry the campaigner. I've definitely heard that he's not prone to gaffes many times already.

But what if they goad him into saying something that he feels is in bounds, but will make independents and moderates recoil?

Obviously, Perry's idea of civil discourse is a lot different than most people's. If the White House can tweak him enough that he keeps raising the bar on what's 'outrageous,' it'll take its toll.

I know he's won a lot of elections in Texas. But he's playing in the Bigs now. Bush was smart enough to moderate his positions (or at least appear to moderate them) for a national office.

Can Perry do that?

I think it's less that he's gaffe-proof and more than he very rarely says anything outside of a highly controlled environment. He's been able to get away with that up to now but I think we'll see plenty of "gaffes", i.e. what he really thinks, on the presidential campaign trail that can't be so easily controlled. Debates will be very interesting - he avoids those for good reason I've heard.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:17:15pm

re: #199 ralphieboy

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Elvis is everywhere. Elvis is everything. He is the Birth, Life and Resurrection. Birth is Life is Death is Elvis.

Image: sacred_heart_of_elvis.jpeg

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HAL2010 Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:17:25pm

re: #198 Atlas Fails

Perry is a fucking idiot. He embodies every negative Texas stereotype and makes George W. Bush look downright progressive.

Whilst I agree with the second sentence I certainly do not believe he is an idiot. Dangerous, to be sure, but not stupid.

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HAL2010 Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:17:53pm

re: #199 ralphieboy

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Elvis is everywhere. Elvis is everything. He is the Birth, Life and Resurrection. Birth is Life is Death is Elvis.

He never died, he just went home.

Long live MiB!

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zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:17:59pm

re: #195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

thanks, i'm aware of what hitchens thinks of mother theresa. he hates religion.

205

HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:18:15pm

I must confess to not being a big Elvis fan. I like Roy Orbison and Buddy Holly more. Not denying his influence at all here.

206

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:19:10pm

re: #195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hitchens can explain it best.

The pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.

What did she do with all the money?

207

Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:19:40pm

re: #186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

YOU WILL RUE THE DAY!

RRRUUUEEE!

Youtube Video

208

Kefirah Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:20:40pm

re: #115 Alouette

i got my favorite shabbos scarves from a hijab place. the anti.any.culture.but.our.own wingnuts can put that in their pipes and smoke it.

209

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:20:40pm

re: #193 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann wishes Elvis 'Happy Birthday' on anniversary of his death

Holy crap, she's stupid. Or her handlers are.

210

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:21:08pm

re: #196 zora

bachmann: uh, did i say birthday. of course, i meant death day. lamestream media.

Gotcha question!
//

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:21:33pm

re: #210 makeitstop

Gotcha question!
//

QUICK! BEAT UP THE REPORTERS!

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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:22:12pm

re: #209 makeitstop

Holy crap, she's stupid. Or her handlers are.

She has just lost the True Elvis Fan vote, and I am afrraid that is a major component of her base of support

213

allegro Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:22:24pm

re: #204 zora

thanks, i'm aware of what hitchens thinks of mother theresa. he hates religion.

Anyone who refuses to give pain meds to someone who is suffering horribly because that suffering will bring the person closer to Christ is not a person I could feel much affection or respect for.

214

RadicalModerate Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:22:51pm

re: #199 ralphieboy

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Elvis is everywhere. Elvis is everything. He is the Birth, Life and Resurrection. Birth is Life is Death is Elvis.

Michael J. Fox has no Elvis in him.

215

mr.fusion Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:23:14pm

re: #188 ralphieboy

"Freedom of Faith"?

Sorry, I want freedom from your brand of faith, Newt

Freedom of Faith: The freedom to impose my brand of "faith" on you through government legislation

216

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:23:24pm

re: #214 RadicalModerate

Michael J. Fox has no Elvis in him.

The Anti-Elvis!

217

Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:24:07pm

Someone get this man a copy of Bio-Shock at once!

Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands

Thiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of law-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

"There are quite a lot of people who think it's not possible," Thiel said at a Seasteading Institute Conference in 2009, according to Details. (His first donation was in 2008, for $500,000.) "That's a good thing. We don't need to really worry about those people very much, because since they don't think it's possible they won't take us very seriously. And they will not actually try to stop us until it's too late."

218

Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:24:27pm

re: #214 RadicalModerate

Michael J. Fox has no Elvis in him.

re: #216 makeitstop

Upding for Mojo Nixon references.

219

Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:25:40pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Someone get this man a copy of Bio-Shock at once!

Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands

can't wait until the Somali pirates all come land on the platforms and take them all hostage...

220

Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:25:59pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Someone get this man a copy of Bio-Shock at once!

Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands

Oh geez.
Time to upgrade to explosive shotgun shells.
/

221

Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:26:48pm

re: #220 Varek Raith

Oh geez.
Time to upgrade to explosive shotgun shells.
/

Use the drill...

222

laZardo Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:28:10pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Elvis is everywhere. Elvis is everything. He is the Birth, Life and Resurrection. Birth is Life is Death is Elvis.

Elvis isn't dead, he just went home.

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:28:17pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Someone get this man a copy of Bio-Shock at once!

Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands

What could possibly go wrong?

No seriously, how could they build a self-sustaining society on an oil rig platform with no infrastructure, no food, no resources? This is the abso-freaking DUMBEST thing I have ever heard!

224

Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:28:44pm

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Use the drill...

Can't.
Don't have the second one.
*I know, I know, shut up.*

225

Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:29:18pm

re: #223 Alouette

What could possibly go wrong?

No seriously, how could they build a self-sustaining society on an oil rig platform with no infrastructure, no food, no resources? This is the abso-freaking DUMBEST thing I have ever heard!

It's the Enclave all over again.
I don't like where this is going.
/

226

Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:29:38pm

re: #223 Alouette

What could possibly go wrong?

No seriously, how could they build a self-sustaining society on an oil rig platform with no infrastructure, no food, no resources? This is the abso-freaking DUMBEST thing I have ever heard!

No building codes...on an artificial island...miles out at sea...and they're all armed.

I can see no negative repercussions to this course of actions

227

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:29:48pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Someone get this man a copy of Bio-Shock at once!

Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands

He's been watching Waterworld again, hasn't he?

228

mr.fusion Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:29:53pm

re: #219 ralphieboy

can't wait until the Somali pirates all come land on the platforms and take them all hostage...

Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

Looser building codes.........on a floating oil rig/city........

229

allegro Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:30:17pm

re: #223 Alouette

What could possibly go wrong?

No seriously, how could they build a self-sustaining society on an oil rig platform with no infrastructure, no food, no resources? This is the abso-freaking DUMBEST thing I have ever heard!

At the first earthquake or storm they will be screaming for the Coast Guard to come get them.

230

mr.fusion Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:30:32pm

re: #226 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No building codes...on an artificial island...miles out at sea...and they're all armed.

I can see no negative repercussions to this course of actions

Seriously.....it's like a 12 year old just read Atlas Shrugs and said "you know what would be a good idea?"

231

Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:31:34pm

re: #230 mr.fusion

Seriously...it's like a 12 year old just read Atlas Shrugs and said "you know what would be a good idea?"

Genetically splicing chihuahuas and piranhas would be a lot more fun.

232

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:31:37pm

re: #226 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No building codes...on an artificial island...miles out at sea...and they're all armed.

I can see no negative repercussions to this course of actions

It's just like the Wild West, except in the middle of the ocean!

233

laZardo Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:32:03pm

re: #219 ralphieboy

can't wait until the Somali pirates all come land on the platforms and take them all hostage...

And then they'll refuse gub'mint intervention.

234

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:32:47pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Someone get this man a copy of Bio-Shock at once!

Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands

Yeah. Just what I want to do. Spend the rest of my life being stuck on an elaborate drilling rig with a bunch of middle aged WASP male libertarians.

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:32:58pm

re: #219 ralphieboy

can't wait until the Somali pirates all come land on the platforms and take them all hostage...

They'll have more guns than the Somalis, they can't wait to kill them a bunch of pirates.

236

Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:33:29pm

re: #234 Gus 802

Yeah. Just what I want to do. Spend the rest of my life being stuck on an elaborate drilling rig with a bunch of middle aged WASP male libertarians.

They'll have weed though.

237

allegro Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:34:07pm

re: #236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They'll have weed though.

But never enough munchies.

238

zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:34:15pm

Former Bush White House official Pete Wehner wrote in Commentary:

People shouldn’t throw around the words “almost treasonous” loosely; and certainly a person running for president shouldn’t do such a thing. To say someone is treasonous means he is a traitor to his country. In the long catalogue of crimes an individual can commit, there are not many that are worse than treason … [W]hat the Texas governor said about the Federal Reserve chairman is the kind of blustering, unthinking comment that Perry’s critics expect of him. Why he would play to stereotype is hard to fathom. Or, perhaps he’s simply being himself. We’ll find out soon enough. In the meantime Perry ought to offer a retraction and apology — and then offer a serious intellectual critique of why he believes Ben Bernanke is pursuing injurious policies.

White House Responds to Perry’s ‘Treasonous’ Comment

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