God Still Can’t Make Up His Mind Which GOP Candidate to Support

Indecision on high
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I mean, come on, God. You’ve told Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, and who knows who else to run for the GOP presidential nomination. Now you’re encouraging Herman Cain too? Take a chill pill, deity!

They can’t all win, You know. Ever think of that?

Cain: God Told Me To Run.

WASHINGTON (October 10, 2011)—GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain said Monday he didn’t want to run for president, but God called him to join the race.

The Republican candidate told CBN News that’s why he believes “God’s been in this from the beginning.”

Cain said that when he felt God calling him to run for president, he resisted just as Moses did after being called by God to lead the Hebrews out of Egypt.

Like Moses, Cain says he told God, “You’ve got the wrong person. You can’t be talking about me.”

Cain told CBN News that it took a lot of those “conversations with God” to overcome his reluctance to seek the presidency.

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554 comments
1 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:19:02pm

Clean threads? So soon?, but we hadn’t finished muddying up the old ones…………..

2 darthstar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:19:09pm

God also put Cain between Romney and Perry in tomorrow night’s debate…no more dual capped teeth shots on TV.

3 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:19:15pm

God has a hell of a sense of humour.

4 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:20:00pm

re: #2 darthstar

God also put Cain between Romney and Perry in tomorrow night’s debate…no more dual capped teeth shots on TV.

What, a Cain but no Able?

(Sorry)

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:20:26pm

Well, given how confused mankind is about God, I think it’s only fair for God to be confused about mankind.

6 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:20:38pm

How is God as a conversationalist, anyway?

7 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:21:46pm

re: #4 b_sharp

What, a Cain but no Able?

(Sorry)

No, there are no able GOP candidates this year.

8 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:22:27pm

When asked about Cain’s statement, the allmighty pointed out that he isn’t even an American citizen let alone a supporter of either party. Really the God told me to run stuff I think is arrogant. If Cain was saying that he did some praying and he felt it was the right decision to run sure that’s fine but Herman, Michele, Rick, and others God did not tell you to run, you told yourselves to run and you know what? That’s fine. We have free will after all

9 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:22:56pm

re: #6 Obdicut

How is God as a conversationalist, anyway?

Kind of a douche actually.

Youtube Video
10 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:23:28pm

re: #7 wozzablog

No, there are no able GOP candidates this year.

(That’s why I spelled it Able instead of Abel)

11 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:24:40pm

God was playing Layla last I heard and looking like my dad.

12 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:26:34pm
Cain said that when he felt God calling him to run for president, he resisted just as Moses did after being called by God to lead the Hebrews out of Egypt.

Herman Cain, Moses 2.0

9_9

13 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:28:26pm

re: #12 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Herman Cain, Moses 2.0

9_9_9

fify

14 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:28:44pm

He was on the Dave Ramsey radio show today.
*spit*

15 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:29:25pm

re: #14 Floral Giraffe

He was on the Dave Ramsey radio show today.
*spit*

God?

16 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:29:33pm

re: #13 wozzablog

fify

Hahahaha touche.

17 garhighway  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:29:50pm

I’d really like to know what those other five commandments were.

18 jaunte  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:30:06pm

re: #15 wozzablog

Times are tough.

19 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:30:55pm

…And so, like Moses, Cain went up to the mountain top, and when he came back held in each hand two gleaming white… boxes of pizza.

20 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:30:56pm

re: #15 wozzablog

God?

He must have a new PR company.

21 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:30:58pm

re: #17 garhighway

I’d really like to know what those other five commandments were.

Thou shalt not bundle mortgages into blind derivative tranches.

22 garhighway  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:31:36pm

re: #21 wozzablog

Thou shalt not bundle mortgages into blind derivative tranches.

….and rate them AAA.

23 Cheechako  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:32:10pm

Wait…wait…God told me not to vote for any of these false prophets

24 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:32:37pm

re: #22 garhighway

…and rate them AAA.

That’s the Almighty’s ball league of choice. fact.

25 FreedomMoon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:33:25pm

I think God should have told Cain that a black person can never win the GOP primary. At least that would have been the truth.

26 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:33:37pm

Cains gone —who’s next on the agenda?

27 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:34:21pm

re: #25 tacuba14

I think God should have told Cain that a black person can never win the GOP primary. At least that would have been the truth.

Well, Obama ran on a rehash of old Nixonian and Regan policies…… :p

28 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:34:35pm

re: #6 Obdicut

How is God as a conversationalist, anyway?

I usually find conversations with G-d pretty one-sided. I guess I’m not a very good listener.

:0

29 sagehen  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:34:38pm

God told all of them to run because low-information voters need to see a whole huge slew of would-be theocrats to catch on that it’s a whole party full of them.

30 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:35:56pm

re: #29 sagehen

God told all of them to run because low-information voters need to see a whole huge slew of would-be theocrats to catch on that it’s a whole party full of them.

Image: map_jesusland_liberty.gif

31 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:36:33pm

God told them to run?

That’s not the G-d they’re looking for.
That’s not the G-d we’re looking for.
Heck, it’s not the G-d I’m looking for (or talks to me, or them).

Who exactly buys into this (that G-d tells ‘em all to run, and wins).

Actually, I think this shows that G-d has a sense of humor because they can’t all win. There can be only one.

32 Lidane  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:36:44pm

re: #3 b_sharp

God has a hell of a sense of humour.

“God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of the players, (i.e., everybody), to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won’t tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.”

33 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:36:54pm

When I think of God telling all these people to run, I just remember a little Depeche Mode:

I don’t want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God’s got a sick sense of humor
And when I die I expect to find Him laughing

34 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:37:15pm

God told me he wanted Herman Cain to STFU and STFD.

35 laZardo  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:37:44pm

God is probably lulzing it up with George Carlin in heaven watching all this right now.

Because. :B

36 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:38:06pm

My G-d is apolitical.

Basically, he doesn’t give a rat’s ass about politics.

I like my G-d.

37 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:38:08pm

re: #33 wlewisiii

When I think of God telling all these people to run, I just remember a little Depeche Mode:

But, who’s your own personal Jesus?

38 Lidane  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:38:35pm

re: #27 wozzablog

Well, Obama ran on a rehash of old Nixonian and Regan policies… :p

Don’t tell the far left that. They think Obama ran as a liberal ideologue and has since sold out.

39 austin_blue  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:38:50pm

Yahweh told me just to run…

40 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:39:44pm

re: #39 austin_blue

Yahweh told me just to run…

Are you in danger?

41 [deleted]  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:40:17pm
42 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:40:25pm

re: #37 wozzablog

Just enjoy the silence when these clowns get sent packing.

43 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:40:25pm

re: #38 Lidane

Don’t tell the far left that. They think Obama ran as a liberal ideologue and has since sold out.

Almost as much fun watching their heads explode as it is GOP ones when you tell them who’s policy it was in the first place :p

44 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:40:30pm

re: #38 Lidane

Don’t tell the far left that. They think Obama ran as a liberal ideologue and has since sold out.

Yes and they believe it because Republicans told them so. They thought all of the hysteria had to be because he was uber-left, but it was really just that he was uber-black.

45 Arcsol  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:40:38pm

Thomas Szasz once wrote:
“If you talk to God, you are praying; If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.”

46 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:41:00pm

Ring Ring
Hello?
Hoopster? This is the almighty Lord God Calling…
Hi Lord…What’s up?
I want you to Run for the President of the United States
Me? I’m not Worthy….
I know ..But the pickings are thin this year…So I chose you to lead America to the Promised land…
I need people..
Check…ho hum
I need a nationwide organization
Check
I need lots of bundlers, Wall Street brokers..Big time Bankers..Madison Avenue advertising, Bruce Springsteen and all the spin doctors I can get…
Get me Rush on line 2 and Beck on line 3
And..Do I get to date Ann Coulter?
Wait my Child…I wanted some one to lead America to greatness…
Do I get a love Child? How does my hair look? What church should I join?
So many questions..You have bundlers right?
CLICK…
Hello? Hello? Call me…

47 Blue Point  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:41:06pm

“Herman? God here. Yep. God. No. No. No I’m really God. Yes. I heard you. That was me you were talking to? I mean my switchboard is pretty lit up, ya know? Yes. I think you should run. Yes, Herman, run. Do whatever your little heart desires. Run. Go for it. You need me to tell you? Listen. You know it’s me, right? Right? Ok, so run. Oh screw the others, I’m talking to you. You, Herman. Now go forth and tell everyone you talked to God. Love you too.”
AMBIEN.

48 sagehen  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:41:20pm

re: #38 Lidane

Don’t tell the far left that. They think Obama ran as a liberal ideologue and has since sold out.

Unlike the far right, who think Obama ran as a liberal ideologue and has since embarked on full-scale marxist transformation of our soon-to-be-demolished capitalist economy.

49 austin_blue  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:41:21pm

re: #40 b_sharp

Are you in danger?

Old Three Dog Night via Randy Newman…

((pulls forelock))

50 jaunte  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:42:28pm

re: #49 austin_blue

“that ain’t no way to have fun…”

51 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:44:23pm

re: #49 austin_blue

Old Three Dog Night via Randy Newman…

((pulls forelock))

Sorry, I can’t rescue you, my Three Dog Night album was stolen.

52 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:45:01pm
Youtube Video
53 Atlas Fails  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:46:47pm

Sorry to go OT, but I just got back from my first Tea Party meeting. Expect a page sometime in the next week.

54 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:47:24pm

The greatest Netflix review ever written:

Barely Legal

Three girlfriends born on the same day are now in their first year of college, and all three of them remain virgins. As their 18th birthday approaches, Sue, Cheryl and Lexi decide that it’s time to change their pristine status in this sex comedy.

This is a fine movie about the transition of 3 young chicks into whores. Here are just the facts: Boobs at 5:05, 12:25, 18:26, five pairs of boobs at 22:40, long break til 40:36, then again at 44:25, 49:08, 53:10, 55:25, 107:40, 115:35, lesbo at 116:45 and 117:35, 119:35, Boobs and bush 103:10 (editor’s choice) Get gay for Jesus part at 27:35, washing machine orgasm at 51:45, blind guy/dog/peanut butter/blindfold/and chick at 57:00 and 100:30, vaccuum cleaner orgasm at 59:20

2,119 out of 2,129 members found this review helpful

55 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:48:58pm

G’night folks and folkettes

56 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:50:35pm

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The greatest Netflix review ever written:

Barely Legal

Three girlfriends born on the same day are now in their first year of college, and all three of them remain virgins. As their 18th birthday approaches, Sue, Cheryl and Lexi decide that it’s time to change their pristine status in this sex comedy.

This is a fine movie about the transition of 3 young chicks into whores. Here are just the facts: Boobs at 5:05, 12:25, 18:26, five pairs of boobs at 22:40, long break til 40:36, then again at 44:25, 49:08, 53:10, 55:25, 107:40, 115:35, lesbo at 116:45 and 117:35, 119:35, Boobs and bush 103:10 (editor’s choice) Get gay for Jesus part at 27:35, washing machine orgasm at 51:45, blind guy/dog/peanut butter/blindfold/and chick at 57:00 and 100:30, vaccuum cleaner orgasm at 59:20

2,119 out of 2,129 members found this review helpful

And you were reading this review why?

57 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:51:13pm

re: #56 ggt

And you were reading this review why?

Because it was helpful…………….

58 laZardo  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:52:10pm

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

vaccuum cleaner orgasm at 59:20

And this is why humanity is doomed to its inevitable self-destruction.

59 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:54:02pm

I like this guy.

You want to roll your eyes and make snide remarks about “dumb college kids” and “socialists”? Go ahead but you’re be missing the point. Because it is the small business owner who’s really been wronged here, not the fringe elements you mockingly dismiss. The business owner whose losses are not socialized like yours, the business owner without the government in his pocket, the business owner who is forced to play by the rules that you have paid to have written. He’s not a hippie, he’s not a Marxist…but he’s waking up, dummy.

You blew the second chance you got with TARP to re-enter society as a productive component of commerce. You went back to bonus-swilling, full-retard mode as though nothing ever happened and 13 million people weren’t sitting around in their post credit-bubble joblessness for three years now. Your tone-deafness and utter disconnection from the rest of the country has produced something extraordinary - You’ve managed to awaken one of the most indolent, lethargic and apathetic populaces in the history of the world. You’ve now stirred a slumbering nation of 300 million from it’s Entennman’s and Zoloft-induced stupor. America is awake now and it’s pissed.

Good luck with that.

60 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:54:32pm

re: #58 laZardo

And this is why humanity is doomed to its inevitable self-destruction.

In the good old days, people used to ride brooms.

61 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:54:45pm

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heh… and not coincidentally, this review also doubled as a review for the current GOP field. Field full of boobs and Bush wannabes.

62 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:54:48pm

re: #56 ggt

And you were reading this review why?

Helps to know where to FF to…

63 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:56:09pm

re: #60 b_sharp

In the good old days, people used to ride brooms.

Harry Potter and the Vibrating Broom

Well, this was one way to keep Harry Potter fans interested as they grew up. Modeled after Harry’s first broom, Mattel’s now discontinued battery-operated Nimbus 2000 featured a grooved stick and handle for kids who wanted to ride it around the house. The dubious part: it vibrated. Some of the (now deleted) comments on Amazon were so good, they had to be written with a wink: “I’m 32 and enjoy riding the broom as much as my 12 yr old and 7 year old,” wrote one satisfied customer. We bet.

64 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:57:19pm

Whatever happened to “we are not running for theologian in chief” Mr. Cain?

65 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:58:53pm

re: #64 Gus 802

Whatever happened to “we are not running for theologian in chief” Mr. Cain?

That was before. When you sit down with CBN, you go wall-to-wall God if you know what’s good for you.
/

66 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:59:01pm

re: #64 Gus 802

Whatever happened to “we are not running for theologian in chief” Mr. Cain?

Polls said that wasn’t going to win him the nomination.

67 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:00:14pm

Time to go grab a slice of pumpkin pie. G’night folks.

68 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:00:30pm

re: #64 Gus 802

Whatever happened to “we are not running for theologian in chief” Mr. Cain?

He walks back everything he says.

69 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:02:17pm

re: #68 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

He walks back everything he says.

Unpossible! That would be deceitful, and, and, um, uh, un-Christian!

70 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:04:05pm

God must have made only one Earth-like planet in the universe. Especially since He manages to also focus all of His attention to the United States of America!

71 jvic  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:04:52pm

Dear Herm, Michelle, Rick, Rick, et al (hi, Sarah!),

It’s great to see you plugging away. You answered the call. But remember:

Many are called but few are chosen, it’s been said. In fact, I usually let the chips fall where they may and hardly ever choose anybody. I vote Present, as it were.

Per the Gita, you have a right to your task but not to the outcome…What?

Carry on.

G.

72 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:04:58pm

Not only did I create the universe and man I also created the best country in all of the universe, the United States of America! — God

73 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:07:04pm

re: #59 makeitstop

You’ve managed to awaken one of the most indolent, lethargic and apathetic populaces in the history of the world. You’ve now stirred a slumbering nation of 300 million from it’s Entennman’s and Zoloft-induced stupor. America is awake now and it’s pissed.

That is the first thing about this that has actually made sense.

74 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:07:40pm

re: #67 b_sharp

Time to go grab a slice of pumpkin pie. G’night folks.

PIE?

75 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:13:14pm

re: #72 Gus 802

Not only did I create the universe and man I also created the best country in all of the universe, the United States of America! — God

Which is why in over 5000 years of recorded history, he only made it appear around 2 centuries ago.

76 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:14:00pm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Which is why in over 5000 years of recorded history, he only made it appear around 2 centuries ago.

He was busy.
/

77 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:14:04pm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Which is why in over 5000 years of recorded history, he only made it appear around 2 centuries ago.

See! I knew it. God’s busy hanging around that new Vulcan planet.

78 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:14:09pm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Which is why in over 5000 years of recorded history, he only made it appear around 2 centuries ago.

Well it took nearly 1000 for us to figure out how to record history!

/

79 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:14:36pm

re: #77 Gus 802

See! I knew it. God’s busy hanging around that new Vulcan planet.

He prefers logic and reason.

80 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:15:33pm

So, where’s God Joe?

Where do you think Tony.

I don’t know Joe, tell me.

He’s busy hanging ‘round that new Vulcan planet.

Got any gum Joe?

81 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:18:00pm

Monday night has arrived. [crickets]

82 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:19:18pm

I think God is just fucking with them at this point.

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:21:28pm

re: #25 tacuba14

I think God should have told Cain that a black person can never win the GOP primary. At least that would have been the truth.

I distinctly recall sitting in a parking lot in 2006, laughing my head off at the poor eejits that thought a black person could win the Democrat primary.

I am ruling NOTHING out.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:22:32pm

re: #31 lawhawk

God told them to run?

That’s not the G-d they’re looking for.
That’s not the G-d we’re looking for.
Heck, it’s not the G-d I’m looking for (or talks to me, or them).

Who exactly buys into this (that G-d tells ‘em all to run, and wins).

Actually, I think this shows that G-d has a sense of humor because they can’t all win. There can be only one.

Just because God tells you to run does not mean that God is promising you will win.

This is something all of us should bear in mind.

85 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:23:24pm

re: #82 SteelPH

I think God is just fucking with them at this point.

I think the Republican party candidates are all acting like a bunch of competing used car lots only they sell their goods through God. Now it’s almost like Glengarry Glen Ross with them trying to eat each other.

86 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:23:51pm

Good post from someone who used to be an adversary:

littlegreenfootballs.com

87 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:27:48pm

I got 11/13 on the Federal Reserve quiz for High School.

88 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:28:20pm

I’ve known a few people to whom God speaks.

They’re all heavily medicated.

89 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:29:10pm

re: #82 SteelPH

I think God is just fucking with them at this point.

He gets bored with SkeeBall.

90 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:30:22pm

re: #89 ggt

He gets bored with SkeeBall.

Really? I would think He spends most of His time making Jesus toast for unsuspecting humans.

//

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:31:33pm

re: #36 ggt

My G-d is apolitical.

Basically, he doesn’t give a rat’s ass about politics.

I like my G-d.

Would you rather invite him to a party than Jerry Falwell’s God?

92 Four More Tears  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:33:10pm

My G-d, when I had one, was like the Honey Badger.

93 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:34:32pm

re: #86 Charles

Good post from someone who used to be an adversary:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

A lot of us, including me, beginning in 2003 wrote many warnings about not allowing International A.N.S.W.E.R. to be the face of the antiwar movement, and I caught a lot of grief for it. But I was right.

I can relate.

Same for the troother-creep that followed, and BDS now. Yes, I can relate.

94 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:37:27pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Would you rather invite him to a party than Jerry Falwell’s God?

My G-d is much more fun. He likes to have a good time.

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:38:17pm

re: #45 Arcsol

Thomas Szasz once wrote:
“If you talk to God, you are praying; If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.”

“Metatron acts as the voice of God. Any documented occasion when some yahoo claims God has spoken to them, they’re speaking to me. Or they’re talking to themselves.”

96 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:38:21pm

re: #92 JasonA

My G-d, when I had one, was like the Honey Badger.

I was thinking that too! He kinda says, “you know, you are an adult now. You can figure out the consequences without me. Do what the fuck you want.”

97 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:38:48pm

re: #86 Charles

Good post from someone who used to be an adversary:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Good read.

98 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:39:01pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

I distinctly recall sitting in a parking lot in 2006, laughing my head off at the poor eejits that thought a black person could win the Democrat primary.

I am ruling NOTHING out.

That was one of the reasons I was an Edwards person before he [thankfully] dropped out.

Was just saying last night.. I did not believe DADT was going anywhere, even two years ago.

Anything’s possible. But some things are even less likely than others. Must admit, though, I am starting to enjoy the idea of GOP Bubba going into the booth and having to choose between B HUSSEIN Obama (D - Black) and Herb Cain (R - Black).

/ < —contemplated whether or not to put it. I’m only partly joking.

99 jvic  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:39:21pm

re: #59 makeitstop

I like this guy.

Me too.

Another quote (boldface mine):

You pay fired executives more in severance than the average American worker will earn in a lifetime. For most people on the outside looking in, this seems like it’s from outer space, another world entirely. These numbers just do not exist to regular human beings, they cannot be fathomed. The ordinary American is not a class warrior or a woe-is-me whiner coveting the rewards of others - the ordinary American simply believes that extraordinary rewards should go to those who do extraordinary things, not to paper-pushing failures at parasite banks.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:48:01pm

re: #87 ggt

I got 11/13 on the Federal Reserve quiz for High School.

Me too. We’re establishing a Lizard baseline here.

Anyone want to try to beat us?

101 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:48:07pm

But the left has always attracted groups like ANSWER. You think that’s something new? They used to have far more extreme groups or whatever you want to call it hanging around their fringes like the Weather Underground or the Black Panthers. ANSWER is actually mild in comparison. But if you’re in the UK and want to be part of a counter protest to the BNP or the EDL then expect to be amongst people from groups like ANSWER. If you’re going to be afraid of that then you won’t be a part of a non-violent counter protest movement. Leadership is a different matter.

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:48:52pm

re: #96 ggt

I was thinking that too! He kinda says, “you know, you are an adult now. You can figure out the consequences without me. Do what the fuck you want.”

Isn’t that basically the Deist position? Although not necessarily featuring a honey badger?

103 austin_blue  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:50:25pm

re: #86 Charles

Good post from someone who used to be an adversary:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Too bad most of the people in this country are kool-aid drinking sheeple who have no concept of the power of multi-nationals and how they affect their lives. Or how they really don’t give a flying fuck about the average American.

I am *so* glad they have citizen status.

(I won’t bother with the sarc tags.)

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:52:27pm

re: #101 Gus 802

But the left has always attracted groups like ANSWER. You think that’s something new? They used to have far more extreme groups or whatever you want to call it hanging around their fringes like the Weather Underground or the Black Panthers. ANSWER is actually mild in comparison. But if you’re in the UK and want to be part of a counter protest to the BNP or the EDL then expect to be amongst people from groups like ANSWER. If you’re going to be afraid of that then you won’t be a part of a non-violent counter protest movement. Leadership is a different matter.

I have accepted that not getting near the likes of ANSWER limits some of my political activity.

I have made that decision, rather than protest in the company of (and beneath the preprinted signs of) certain people

105 austin_blue  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:55:11pm

I’m sick. And tired. The Nyquil is kicking in. Night all. Sweet dreams of large tasty insects within easy tongue range.

106 BishopX  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:56:05pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Me too. We’re establishing a Lizard baseline here.

Anyone want to try to beat us?

12/13 here. I missed the question about inflation.

Also, the “explanation” was seriously lacking…

107 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:56:28pm

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

Isn’t that basically the Deist position? Although not necessarily featuring a honey badger?

I don’t know. I make things up as I go. I think I derived it from my RC schooling. Free Will and all.

But, I’ll keep the honey badger because he is so bad-ass.

108 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:56:33pm

Lisa as Joan of Arc: I’d like to call my only witness, almighty God.

God: I told this maiden to lead the French to victory.

Groundskeeper Willie: Wait a minute you two timing spot of light, you told me to lead the English to victory.

Lisa: *gasp* Is that true Lord?

God: Ah ha ha, well I never thought the two of would be in the same room actually. This is a little embarassing. Good bye now.

109 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:57:54pm

You know, I just re-read Charles Post Headline:

God Still Can’t Make Up His Mind Which GOP Candidate to Support

Is G-d a citizen of these United States? Is he registered to vote?

I have a feeling he is undocumented.

Hope he doesn’t decide to play Skeeball in Alabama.

:)

110 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:59:57pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Me too. We’re establishing a Lizard baseline here.

Anyone want to try to beat us?

I got 11/13

111 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:00:28pm

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I got 11/13

Has anyone gone to the “results” article.

I clicked wrong an lost that page.

How are we comparing?

112 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:01:18pm

re: #107 ggt

I don’t know. I make things up as I go. I think I derived it from my RC schooling. Free Will and all.

But, I’ll keep the honey badger because he is so bad-ass.

I think I’ll keep the duck-billed platypus and of course dogs.

Cat Overlord says it’s ok.

both for the humor value to him.

113 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:01:48pm

re: #101 Gus 802

It’s not a fear of ANSWER, it’s an unwillingness to stay uncritical about them. Their tactics during the antiwar protests are a great case in point, because that’s when they started.

9/11 happened, then in my city, all of a sudden these slick flyers were all around town. At the time I called it, “Look! The far left went and got themselves a design department” flyers. People were like, what the eff is an “answer coalition”?

Anyway, one shows up to a couple protests, and turns out, it’s not about war in Afghanistan or ending racism, it’s about no war/blood for Israel, Free Palestine and whatnot. (I would learn later the “racism” in question is “israeli apartheid”, etc. blah blah.)

To me, that’s good old fashioned bait-and-switch. As the months and years wore on, let’s just say the true colors never faded.

So my distrust of ANSWER is specific to them and like groups, not because they scare me, or because they have the word “radical” tacked onto them by others, but because of their policies and platforms.

114 bratwurst  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:01:59pm

re: #109 ggt

You know, I just re-read Charles Post Headline:

Is G-d a citizen of these United States? Is he registered to vote?

I have a feeling he is undocumented.

Here is a good recent Bill Maher bit on a similar theme:

Youtube Video
115 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:02:29pm

re: #111 ggt

Has anyone gone to the “results” article.

I clicked wrong an lost that page.

How are we comparing?

Are you Economically Literate?

Take the survey on this page or the interactive version to find out. If you do better than 45 percent for a final score, then you’re more economically literate than 404 respondents from across the nation who took part in the Minneapolis Fed’s national economic literacy survey.

116 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:02:30pm

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

I have accepted that not getting near the likes of ANSWER limits some of my political activity.

I have made that decision, rather than protest in the company of (and beneath the preprinted signs of) certain people

I don’t do protests. If I did and found myself next to a group from ANSWER I’d probably walk away slowly. Then again I do that with the Obama to a large extent. I idolize very little in this world and never was much of a group player nor thinker.

117 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:02:42pm

re: #106 BishopX

12/13 here. I missed the question about inflation.

Also, the “explanation” was seriously lacking…

I got that wrong too and the other one with increase/decrease questions. Those confuse me.

118 freetoken  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:06:07pm

re: #103 austin_blue

Too bad most of the people … have no concept of the power of multi-nationals and how they affect their lives. …

I’m almost done surveying the graduate Horticulture (or what used to be called “horticulture” and now goes by many different names) programs in this country (there are a couple of dozen of any merit) and it’s becoming clear how much the international agri-business industry has reshaped academic agriculture programs into their image.

Some of the larger and older programs are feeders to Monsanto, ADM and the like, of freshly minted graduates. In return those companies make sure that those programs are well funded, either directly through donations or by lobbying the appropriate congress-critter/Senator.

The money is critical for grad student support (since most anyone can’t afford an out-of-state annual tuition, as it is customary to go to graduate school not in your own locale) and funding of research programs to allow the profs to generate the papers to be published, which in turns gives them legitimacy in the eyes of greater academia.

These sort of feedbacks are not surprising, but I am a bit overwhelmed by the changes that have occurred since I was last in school 30 some years ago. Heck, when I was in school one could still find a department labeled “botany”, the hort departments were about breeding plants (for all sorts of human use), and “agriculture” was about raising animals as well as the major cereal crops.

This is due in part because of the rise of genetics/genomics as the dominant player in the conceptual-space of anything to do with the “life sciences”, but then again this development has been very, very expensive and that is where the dependence has come in for departments to need multi-million dollar facilities, and the only way to get those is to find sugar daddies, and that drives them to the multi-billion dollar international conglomerates as well as being dependent upon the USDA, whose funding in turn is dependent upon the Congressmen who themselves depend upon the donations from the big concerns.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave.

119 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:06:30pm

The point the writer made about how left wing protests turn in to anything but their intended purpose illustrates exactly why I stopped doing to protests. I attended anti Iraq war protests in the Bush years and was annoyed how they twisted every issue to be about something other than the Iraq war, Mumia al-Jamal, Israel, etc. I also confess to being annoyed that they talked about how bad Israel was but didn’t say a single word about what was happening in Darfur.

120 jvic  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:07:26pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Me too. We’re establishing a Lizard baseline here.

Anyone want to try to beat us?

Though no one likes a smarty pants, honesty compels me:

I got ‘em all.

(But I was crossing my fingers on one or two.)

121 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:07:42pm

re: #113 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It’s not a fear of ANSWER, it’s an unwillingness to stay uncritical about them. Their tactics during the antiwar protests are a great case in point, because that’s when they started.

9/11 happened, then in my city, all of a sudden these slick flyers were all around town. At the time I called it, “Look! The far left went and got themselves a design department” flyers. People were like, what the eff is an “answer coalition”?

Anyway, one shows up to a couple protests, and turns out, it’s not about war in Afghanistan or ending racism, it’s about no war/blood for Israel, Free Palestine and whatnot. (I would learn later the “racism” in question is “israeli apartheid”, etc. blah blah.)

To me, that’s good old fashioned bait-and-switch. As the months and years wore on, let’s just say the true colors never faded.

So my distrust of ANSWER is specific to them and like groups, not because they scare me, or because they have the word “radical” tacked onto them by others, but because of their policies and platforms.

Yeah. I know. ANSWER, for me, is basically a Communist front group. It really is. I’m not talking Sovietism of course. More Marx than Trotsky.

The thing is. It’s that the left is still a very big tent. You will always get these divergent groups.

122 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:07:43pm

re: #114 bratwurst

Here is a good recent Bill Maher bit on a similar theme:

[Video]

Oh, you need to Page that!

123 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:08:05pm

re: #6 Obdicut

How is God as a conversationalist, anyway?

I dunno. I could never even figure out why He needed a starship.

/Worst Star Trek movie ever

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:08:20pm

re: #120 jvic

Though no one likes a smarty pants, honesty compels me:

I got ‘em all.

(But I was crossing my fingers on one or two.)

Well done!

125 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:08:46pm

re: #115 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Are you Economically Literate?

Take the survey on this page or the interactive version to find out. If you do better than 45 percent for a final score, then you’re more economically literate than 404 respondents from across the nation who took part in the Minneapolis Fed’s national economic literacy survey.

404 took the quiz total or that’s the 45%.

I can’t do the math —help me out.

I got 84%

126 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:09:26pm

re: #116 Gus 802

I don’t do protests.

I don’t either, not anymore. Not just because of stupid ANSWER but, really, just gettin’ old. Crowds, already done years and years of it, some years I think they are just a waste of shoe leather, the bandwagonism…some of it, from so long ago, seems to have paid of in the past couple years, though. Mixed bag.

127 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:09:33pm

But my POV still remains. ANSWER has a voice. The Tea Party has a voice. The Democrats have a voice. The Republicans have a voice. Left; right; center left; etc.

128 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:10:40pm

re: #127 Gus 802

But my POV still remains. ANSWER has a voice. The Tea Party has a voice. The Democrats have a voice. The Republicans have a voice. Left; right; center left; etc.

I have a voice. But, I prefer to type.

129 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:11:30pm

re: #128 ggt

I have a voice. But, I prefer to type.

I prefer smoking and drinking.

//

130 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:11:44pm

Skeeball WILL NOT LOAD on my iPhone.

Did I piss-off G-d by talking about his likeness to the honey-badger?

131 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:12:25pm

re: #113 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It’s not a fear of ANSWER, it’s an unwillingness to stay uncritical about them. Their tactics during the antiwar protests are a great case in point, because that’s when they started.

9/11 happened, then in my city, all of a sudden these slick flyers were all around town. At the time I called it, “Look! The far left went and got themselves a design department” flyers. People were like, what the eff is an “answer coalition”?

Anyway, one shows up to a couple protests, and turns out, it’s not about war in Afghanistan or ending racism, it’s about no war/blood for Israel, Free Palestine and whatnot. (I would learn later the “racism” in question is “israeli apartheid”, etc. blah blah.)

To me, that’s good old fashioned bait-and-switch. As the months and years wore on, let’s just say the true colors never faded.

So my distrust of ANSWER is specific to them and like groups, not because they scare me, or because they have the word “radical” tacked onto them by others, but because of their policies and platforms.

Quoted For Truth. Some people’s letting ANSWER just do as they will without criticism is based on the idea of “No enemies to the left”. It’s that sort of idea on the right that has allowed loons like Joe Barton intro positions of power.

132 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:12:50pm

re: #130 ggt

Skeeball WILL NOT LOAD on my iPhone.

Did I piss-off G-d by talking about his likeness to the honey-badger?

Honey Badger don’t give a shit

133 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:13:21pm

re: #132 HoosierHoops

Honey Badger don’t give a shit

You are right —he wouldn’t mess with anyone’s Skeeball.

134 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:14:54pm

I was with my friend today though and he started rattling off about how air show WASTE a lot of fuel and make a lot of POLLUTION. So I sat their for a minute thinking since I love air shows. Then it hit me. I told him about the recent Blue Angels show which they did using biofuel and about other mil biofuel programs. Couple of other things too. But I didn’t freak out. He actually went “huh.” As in go figure.

135 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:15:13pm

re: #118 freetoken

Some of the larger and older programs are feeders to Monsanto, ADM and the like, of freshly minted graduates. In return those companies make sure that those programs are well funded, either directly through donations or by lobbying the appropriate congress-critter/Senator.

These giant corps do a lot of research which keeps the world fed. IT is in our national interest to fund such things, IMHO. no?

136 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:15:27pm

No one wants to be the first man to the cross.

137 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:15:43pm

re: #132 HoosierHoops

Honey Badger don’t give a shit

Yeah, but the Bears still lost. Not by much, but still…

138 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:19:32pm

re: #121 Gus 802

This is a bit different, though, because for the antiwar and OWS protests, they’re not being tag-alongs as they are for, say, the stragglers at the end of Pride, or whatever march/rally they hear about and crash. In that way, they’re not like the always-uninvited LaRouche nuts.

With these two things, they were among the main organizers. TBH I really don’t care if they are actual Marxists or communists. In fact, I’m glad that all that evil Marxism showing up in these rallies is so offputting to so many cons. Good. Let ‘em learn to love it.

But for my own side and my own part, I care about what the groups do, who they support, and their aggro methods of injecting single-issue into multi-faceted gatherings. That’s the sort of thing that leads to the factionalism and sectarianism the far left is so famous for. It ends up defeating the movements they wish/claim to energize.

139 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:19:52pm

Marx was also one of the most admired men in Germany one year. It’s not really a cliche to say not to confuse Marx with the Soviets. I still don’t agree with it 100 percent — maybe less — but Marx was quite the political genius and does make some great points.

It’s also always good to study your opponents. You can not only learn some of their weaknesses but you can also learn something. It’s not an uncommon feeling to have some admiration for your opponents.

140 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:21:25pm

re: #138 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

This is a bit different, though, because for the antiwar and OWS protests, they’re not being tag-alongs as they are for, say, the stragglers at the end of Pride, or whatever march/rally they hear about and crash. In that way, they’re not like the always-uninvited LaRouche nuts.

With these two things, they were among the main organizers. TBH I really don’t care if they are actual Marxists or communists. In fact, I’m glad that all that evil Marxism showing up in these rallies is so offputting to so many cons. Good. Let ‘em learn to love it.

But for my own side and my own part, I care about what the groups do, who they support, and their aggro methods of injecting single-issue into multi-faceted gatherings. That’s the sort of thing that leads to the factionalism and sectarianism the far left is so famous for. It ends up defeating the movements they wish/claim to energize.

I would not join any club that would have someone like me for a member.

141 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:21:53pm

See the dovetailing there between the Marxes. ;)

142 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:22:59pm

Wait. I think this one is more accurate…

I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.

[wiggles cigar]

143 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:23:52pm

re: #141 Gus 802

See the dovetailing there between the Marxes. ;)

brothers?

144 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:24:42pm

So, I checked, no updates, resynced the iPhone anyway, and Skeeball will not load.

Cat Overlord! I did something to piss him off.

145 reine.de.tout  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:25:45pm

re: #14 Floral Giraffe

He was on the Dave Ramsey radio show today.
*spit*

re: #15 wozzablog

God?

re: #20 b_sharp

He must have a new PR company.

OMG, I had just about stopped laughing over the other stuff I was laughing about, and now - this, ROFLMAO. Y’all are too funny today.

146 HoosierHoops  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:26:12pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but the Bears still lost. Not by much, but still…

The Bears got man handled tonight.. The Lions are amazing..They just were the worst team in the history of football a couple of years ago… The draft is the great equalizer..
The fun of football is the rise and fall of dynasties.. When I was a Kid I loved the Raiders…They were just awesome.. Then the great 49er teams..unbeatable.. Then the Cowboys with The triplets were 1-15.. But everybody knew Troy and the Boys were going to be a force to be reckoned with…Then the Cowboys time was over…Then we had the greatest show on Turf.. Now today they are the worst team in Football.. Then the Patriots wins with Brady….Then the Manning Brothers…
The Bills are rising…The Colts are sinking..We had our day

147 ಠ_ಠ  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:27:02pm

Eauugh…who the hell wants a “reluctant” President?

148 BongCrodny  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:27:58pm

re: #146 HoosierHoops

The Bears got man handled tonight.. The Lions are amazing..They just were the worst team in the history of football a couple of years ago… The draft is the great equalizer..

Getting rid of Matt Millen doesn’t appear to have hurt the Lions very much. :-)

149 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:28:04pm

re: #147 GM_Yitzhak

Eauugh…who the hell wants a “reluctant” President?

better than an overzealous one.

You don’t come around much —why?

150 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:28:59pm

re: #146 HoosierHoops

The Bears got man handled tonight.. The Lions are amazing..They just were the worst team in the history of football a couple of years ago… The draft is the great equalizer..
The fun of football is the rise and fall of dynasties.. When I was a Kid I loved the Raiders…They were just awesome.. Then the great 49er teams..unbeatable.. Then the Cowboys with The triplets were 1-15.. But everybody knew Troy and the Boys were going to be a force to be reckoned with…Then the Cowboys time was over…Then we had the greatest show on Turf.. Now today they are the worst team in Football.. Then the Patriots wins with Brady…Then the Manning Brothers…
The Bills are rising…The Colts are sinking..We had our day

Still, it was a close game. Both teams really need to work on the linemen’s discipline. The rematch later this year should be an even better game.

151 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:29:14pm

And you don’t have to agree with something to support it. That is you don’t agree but support the right. I don’t support Mormonism but I support the right to Mormonism.

152 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:30:02pm

re: #151 Gus 802

And you don’t have to agree with something to support it. That is you don’t agree but support the right. I don’t support Mormonism but I support the right to Mormonism.

The Right to Mormonism! Hear, Hear! Everyone has the Right to Morman as they see fit!

:0

153 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:30:04pm

re: #151 Gus 802

And you don’t have to agree with something to support it. That is you don’t agree but support the right. I don’t support Mormonism but I support the right to Mormonism.

And I would never not hire someone for being a Mormon.

154 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:31:30pm

re: #152 ggt

The Right to Mormonism! Hear, Hear! Everyone has the Right to Morman as they see fit!

:0

Yep. It boils down to freedom of speech. Freedom of association. Freedom of worship or non-worship. That and keeping a certain amount of respect or space for one another.

155 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:32:26pm

OWS is not a movement.

156 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:32:42pm

I never really wanted to Morman. But, if other people want to, I’m pretty Honey-Badger about it.

157 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:32:45pm

It really is a strange world to see the Bills and Lions combined 9-1: Happy for the fans of both teams. They’ve suffered and deserve to be rewarded. I am surprised how relatively quiet it’s been here in the DC area. Redskins are in first place. I guess folks are cautiously optimistic after Zorn had them at 6-2 a few years back but still I think they have a chance to win that division.

158 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:32:58pm

re: #155 Gus 802

OWS is not a movement.

Beethoven didnt’ write it?

159 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:33:35pm

AH! I have been forgiven. Oh Thank you great Overlord of Feline!

Skeeball is now loaded. Prepare for virtual tickets!!!!!

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:36:12pm

re: #151 Gus 802

And you don’t have to agree with something to support it. That is you don’t agree but support the right. I don’t support Mormonism but I support the right to Mormonism.

The First Amendment supports the right to have big rallies about the economy or whatever.

My additional and specific support is unneeded.

161 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:36:20pm

re: #158 ggt

Beethoven didnt’ write it?

Emperor Concerto. Primo. Although my fav remains the 5th.

2/5ths makes a tenth. ;)

162 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:37:07pm

Gould plays Beethoven Emperor Concerto

Youtube Video
163 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:37:17pm

re: #161 Gus 802

Emperor Concerto. Primo. Although my fav remains the 5th.

2/5ths makes a tenth. ;)

or a dime.

164 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:37:50pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Me too. We’re establishing a Lizard baseline here.

Anyone want to try to beat us?

11/13 for me as well.

165 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:38:26pm

re: #161 Gus 802

Emperor Concerto. Primo. Although my fav remains the 5th.

2/5ths makes a tenth. ;)

bebop players flat their fifths. we drink ‘em…

- eddie condon

166 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:38:52pm

re: #162 Gus 802

Gould plays Beethoven Emperor Concerto

[Video]

Might need the Kleenex for this.

It’s close to perfection.

167 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:42:55pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Might need the Kleenex for this.

It’s close to perfection.

It’s beautiful.

168 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:44:13pm

re: #155 Gus 802

OWS is not a movement.

Well, whatever it is, Kanye West showed up at it today. For once, OWS’s speaking rules did some good, as they kept Kanye from upstaging others.

/”He’s a jackass.”

169 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45:06pm

re: #167 ggt

It’s beautiful.

Amazing isn’t it? Some of the best music ever was written in the early 19th century. Before as well.

170 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45:17pm

Well, I have a full day tomorrow. I’ll leave the garlic if #147 shows back-up.

If not, just put it in the cabinet.

night all!

171 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:50:09pm

I just found this story.

New Mich GOP law will override local laws, roll back LGBT protections

172 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:50:13pm

re: #127 Gus 802

But my POV still remains. ANSWER has a voice.

Lol yeah, the voice of crankage and whackjobbery.

Earlier this year before OWS popped up, they were sponsoring a tour of Cynthia McKlanny and whatever she claimed to find about Libya Trooth, or whatever (she’s a Khadaffy supporter.) answercoalition.org

At the same time, she’s giving interviews to American Free Press to promote that tour. American Free Press really is non-Godwin neo-nazis. Caveat lector — hate site: bit.ly

ANSWER can go eff off.

173 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:51:30pm

GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain said Monday he didn’t want to run for president, but God called him to join the race

this is really getting out of hand. perry and cain are flashy showmen full of machismo. they’re too profane to pull this kind of stuff off plausibly

174 sagehen  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:53:53pm

re: #134 Gus 802

I was with my friend today though and he started rattling off about how air show WASTE a lot of fuel and make a lot of POLLUTION. So I sat their for a minute thinking since I love air shows. Then it hit me. I told him about the recent Blue Angels show which they did using biofuel and about other mil biofuel programs. Couple of other things too. But I didn’t freak out. He actually went “huh.” As in go figure.

The military is making a *huge* push to go all renewables on their domestic bases, and as much as feasible overseas. They get it that another oil embargo is more than possible, and they WILL. NOT. be at the mercy of the people they’re likely to be fighting.

175 laZardo  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:53:54pm

re: #172 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

There was a video of smug ANSWER supporters not allowing any Libyans and Libyan-Americans into the LA function.

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176 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:54:29pm

re: #175 laZardo

There was a video of smug ANSWER supporters not allowing any Libyans and Libyan-Americans into the LA function.

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Interesting. Linkage?

177 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:54:36pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Well, whatever it is, Kanye West showed up at it today. For once, OWS’s speaking rules did some good, as they kept Kanye from upstaging others.

/”He’s a jackass.”

I can’t answer that though. I listened to Kanye West back when he was a nobody and voted for Bush in 2004. They’re actually both admired men whether we like to agree with each or not. You have to admit thought that at the very least West is politically aware and outspoken politically even if you may disagree with him. Isn’t that what we want in large part? At least he isn’t silent and that’s something many of us complain about. That’s the wonderful thing about the 1st Amendment.

178 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:55:17pm

re: #175 laZardo

There was a video of smug ANSWER supporters not allowing any Libyans and Libyan-Americans into the LA function.

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I remember that. I think I might have seen that from one of your posts, no?

179 laZardo  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:57:36pm

re: #178 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I remember that. I think I might have seen that from one of your posts, no?

Now you have.

Youtube Video
180 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:57:57pm

re: #171 ProLifeLiberal

I just found this story.

New Mich GOP law will override local laws, roll back LGBT protections

“Local control, local government, local self-determination. These are the hallmarks of the tea party Republicans and conservatives in general. Recent efforts by Michigan Republicans prove conclusively that this is a lie. They are not interested in local control; they are interested in conservative control. Period.”

Well said. “Local control” so long as it’s conservatives-first, “local government” as long as it’s conservatives-first, “local self-determination” as long as conservative bigots get to determine how everyone else must live.

Welcome to states rights America.

181 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:58:22pm

re: #177 Gus 802

Also wanted to mention that we should also acknowledge Bush II for having been very gracious to his successor, Obama. Bush is a good sport even if we disagree with him. W has not once talked trash about Obama.

182 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:59:24pm

re: #169 Gus 802

Amazing isn’t it? Some of the best music ever was written in the early 19th century. Before as well.

Youtube Video
183 laZardo  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:59:45pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Also wanted to mentioned we should also acknowledge Bush II for having been very gracious to his successor, Obama. Bush is a good sport even if we disagree with him. W has not once talked trash about Obama.

That’s because Obama is Bush’s third term.

/

184 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:00:46pm

re: #179 laZardo

Now you have.

[Video]

Wow just wow. But yeah this is why I hate ANSWER.

185 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:01:18pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

[Video]

A drink! To ANSWER! The Tea Party. To Republicans! And Democrats.

Ludwig and Leo. What a match. :)

186 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:01:32pm

re: #179 laZardo

FWIW, somebody at DKos had a diary on it. dailykos.com

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:01:57pm

re: #179 laZardo

Now you have.

[Video]

Thanks. Interesting. Not surprising. I was at a demo where ANSWER had loaned some of their people to act as ‘security’ against us Zionists. They had actual hired security guards, but real security guards won’t stand in front of leafleters, stonefaced and unspeaking, and block your every move.

I can’t describe how toxic and evil these people are up close.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:02:42pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Wow just wow. But yeah this is why I hate ANSWER.

They do not give a shit about the rights, the humanity, or the life, of anyone who opposes their agenda.

189 sagehen  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:02:53pm

re: #162 Gus 802

Gould plays Beethoven Emperor Concerto

[Video]

I hadn’t realized the the Goa’uld appreciated Tauri culture.

Than again, when you put “Emperor” in the title…

190 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:05:46pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

They do not give a shit about the rights, the humanity, or the life, of anyone who opposes their agenda.

That and they’re totalitarianism apologists. The Workers World Party, one of ANSWER’s political affiliates supported the Soviet invasions of Hungary/Czechoslovakia/Afghanistan. They’ve got no problem with communist nations violating other nation’s sovereignty.

191 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:06:42pm

re: #189 sagehen

I hadn’t realized the the Goa’uld appreciated Tauri culture.

Than again, when you put “Emperor” in the title…

It was the Emperor. Beethoven got pissed off of course. It’s the 5th Piano Concerto. Once again politicians failed us. Beethoven was aware of current events.

192 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:08:15pm

So what are you going to do get stuck on ANSWER? That’s a little weird if you think about it. Move on and don’t be seen with them. Don’t get obsessed with them though.

193 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:09:56pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

[Video]

Good stuff my man.

194 laZardo  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:10:24pm

I’ll be honest. I’m still no fan of the intervention but Gaddafi supporters piss me off. The Libyans are sick of him and they have every right to fight him and his followers, but we do not deserve to meddle unless they’re somehow directly threatening (and not just in speeches) Italy or France from across the Mediterranean.

195 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:10:54pm

re: #169 Gus 802

Amazing isn’t it? Some of the best music ever was written in the early 19th century. Before as well.

i laik yer beethoven feller purty well, but ole bach is th’ man fer me

196 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:11:21pm

Yet the show must go on. Argh matey.

Gustav Holst - The Planets - Mars, the Bringer of War

Youtube Video
197 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:12:13pm

re: #192 Gus 802

So what are you going to do get stuck on ANSWER? That’s a little weird if you think about it. Move on and don’t be seen with them. Don’t get obsessed with them though.

Gus, I think I need to ask you if its time for the Iron Fist Rule (name of rule doesn’t change, even though its named after an ass). You seem to be a bit buzzed.

198 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:13:20pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

Gus, I think I need to ask you if its time for the Iron Fist Rule (name of rule doesn’t change, even though its named after an ass). You seem to be a bit buzzed.

Nope. Listening to Holst “The Planets.” Great stuff.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:16:19pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

That and they’re totalitarianism apologists. The Workers World Party, one of ANSWER’s political affiliates supported the Soviet invasions of Hungary/Czechoslovakia/Afghanistan. They’ve got no problem with communist nations violating other nation’s sovereignty.

But solidarity with Iran—and yes, they mean the regime—is fine.

200 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:16:49pm

re: #192 Gus 802

So what are you going to do get stuck on ANSWER? That’s a little weird if you think about it. Move on and don’t be seen with them. Don’t get obsessed with them though.

It’s not an obsession, it’s an avoidance, because they started out as the main organizers. They discredit whatever they touch. I started pulling for the OWS effort when the people with some credibility came in. That surprised me, and I still remain a lot more optimistic about it than I was about it.

There are very good reasons to not want any involvement with them, though. I’m glad for Mahablog’s post.

201 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:17:05pm

here, one o’ them rooshian fellers plays onna js’ sweet french sweets

Youtube Video
202 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:17:37pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Nope. Listening to Holst “The Planets.” Great stuff.

One of my all time faves.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:17:52pm

re: #192 Gus 802

So what are you going to do get stuck on ANSWER? That’s a little weird if you think about it. Move on and don’t be seen with them. Don’t get obsessed with them though.

I don’t wish to get ‘stuck on them’, but I hate their guts. Part of this comes from the fact that I have stood across the street from them while they or those they stand with scream anti-Semitic slogans.

I’m not overly obsessed with them—I don’t wake up in the morning and discuss how much I hate International ANSWER—but I do, in fact, hate International ANSWER.

204 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:18:55pm

Well…odds are the same deity that is telling each one to run is one in the same with the creator-god mentioned throughout the “old testament.” Given that, I surmise that said deity loves a good bloodbath - and absent that, a lovely display of chaos in the political arena.

205 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:20:07pm

Yeah, I feel ya. There’s a big difference between opposing our intervention and thinking Gaddafi was being unfairly criticized. People who act like that undermine the movement. re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

But solidarity with Iran—and yes, they mean the regime—is fine.

Yep. I mean it’s one thing to oppose intervention. It’s quite another to act like the Iranian government isn’t so bad. I am for criticizing our government’s excesses. I am not for making heroes out of people who aren’t heroes. Hugo Chavez is not a role model for any democrat even if that democrat may have socialist leanings.

206 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:20:19pm

Loki is trolling the GOP.

207 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:28:51pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t wish to get ‘stuck on them’, but I hate their guts. Part of this comes from the fact that I have stood across the street from them while they or those they stand with scream anti-Semitic slogans.

I’m not overly obsessed with them—I don’t wake up in the morning and discuss how much I hate International ANSWER—but I do, in fact, hate International ANSWER.

That’s cool.

208 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:29:06pm

re: #206 Varek Raith

Loki is trolling the GOP.

He and Nyarlathotep have a running contest

209 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:32:39pm

Kathy Mattea - 18 Wheels And A Dozen Roses

Youtube Video

Great song.

210 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:34:03pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t wish to get ‘stuck on them’, but I hate their guts. Part of this comes from the fact that I have stood across the street from them while they or those they stand with scream anti-Semitic slogans.

I’m not overly obsessed with them—I don’t wake up in the morning and discuss how much I hate International ANSWER—but I do, in fact, hate International ANSWER.

There’s a lot to hate about them. They are one of the few groups where you really can say “Yes, what those who hate them say about them is true.” Because ANSWER really is an America-hating left-wing group. The strong majority of those on the left in America do love their country, but ANSWER does not. Others on the left need to understand this and keep away from those loons.

Lefties, I say this as someone who doesn’t agree with you, but knows you’re decent people:

Don’t hang around with ANSWER. Their vision of the world is not the same as yours, even if they pretend it is. They do to your events what Dominionists do to conservative events: Turn them into a hateful troll-fest.

211 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:37:47pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

There’s a lot to hate about them. They are one of the few groups where you really can say “Yes, what those who hate them say about them is true.” Because ANSWER really is an America-hating left-wing group. The strong majority of those on the left in America do love their country, but ANSWER does not. Others on the left need to understand this and keep away from those loons.

Lefties, I say this as someone who doesn’t agree with you, but knows you’re decent people:

Don’t hang around with ANSWER. Their vision of the world is not the same as yours, even if they pretend it is. They do to your events what Dominionists do to conservative events: Turn them into a hateful troll-fest.

Does it really matter though? You know you could meet a few good people from ANSWER just as much as you would with the Tea Party no?

212 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:37:53pm

This bit on CNN sounds ominous:

The Occupy movement shows few signs of slowing down. Rallies and marches have been held in numerous towns and cities in recent days, with many more planned.

That includes a “Call to Action Against Banks,” which New York’s Occupy Wall Street announced on its Facebook site will happen Saturday.

“No longer will banks take our homes. No longer will banks rob students of our future. No longer will banks destroy the environment. No longer will banks fund the misery of war. No longer will banks cause massive unemployment. And no longer will banks create and profit from economic crisis without a struggle,” according to the online message Monday.

It then urges people to “visit your local Bank of America, Wells Fargo or Chase (branches) and let them know, we will not allow business as usual.”

“We. Will. Occupy. Everywhere,” the posting ends.

You know, I think I’ll pay that BoA bill I need to pay in the next week on Saturday (it’s not due till Monday) instead of Friday. Just as my own personal two finger salute to OWS.

213 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:38:26pm

Six Days on the Road — Dave Dudley

Youtube Video
214 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:39:42pm

re: #211 Gus 802

Does it really matter though? You know you could meet a few good people from ANSWER just as much as you would with the Tea Party no?

It matters, Gus. Because the good people from the Tea Party are people I’m likely to agree with, whereas I’m highly likely to disagree with any good people from ANSWER. I’d rather spend time with those with whom I agree and who share my thoughts on methods and tactics.

215 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:39:59pm

This rules.

Jerry Reed — East Bound And Down

Youtube Video
216 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:41:46pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

It matters, Gus. Because the good people from the Tea Party are people I’m likely to agree with, whereas I’m highly likely to disagree with any good people from ANSWER. I’d rather spend time with those with whom I agree and who share my thoughts on methods and tactics.

Nah. I’m not worried. I look at life like an anthropologist.

217 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:43:00pm

I don’t waste my time thinking about things I hate.

218 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:45:18pm

And I don’t waste my time being outraged about things. I know I should be one to talk. But it’s true. Maybe I walked out the other day but that’s part of the system. We all need a lot of space sometimes. We just need to take that trip sometimes.

James Taylor - Fire and Rain

Youtube Video
219 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:50:30pm

No longer will banks take our homes

anger against banks foreclosing has deep, deep roots in american society. the action of local folks gathering together to use force to keep a foreclosure and dispossesion from being carried out goes back at least as far as the 1780s, at which time it was a major impetus to the creation of the federal constitution, since the state governments were not strong enough to stand up to local sentiment for widespread debt forgiveness at this difficult economic time for americans. these kinds of actions have recurred at intervals since then, for example in the 1890s and the 1930s. if things get bad enough it wouldn’t be any surprise to me if it starts to happen again

220 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:50:42pm

It’s late and I must go to bed. Goodnight, all.

221 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:53:57pm

re: #219 engineer dog

Those people in New york will do nothing of great consequence on Saturday. If they were so brash as to try to forcible enter a major bank building, the NYPD would simply arrest all who entered and forcibly disperse the rest with Mace and batons. This isn’t 1930’s Minnesota, the protesters will be contained if they get out of line. They may protest, but they must obey the law.

Goodnight for real.

222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:55:37pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Don’t hang around with ANSWER.

I don’t think there’s any chance of that.

223 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:56:32pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

It’s late and I must go to bed. Goodnight, all.

Night you knucklehead. ;) I’m sure it’s just that we’re competing for the same attention.

224 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:58:02pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Those people in New york will do nothing of great consequence on Saturday. If they were so brash as to try to forcible enter a major bank building, the NYPD would simply arrest all who entered and forcibly disperse the rest with Mace and batons. This isn’t 1930’s Minnesota, the protesters will be contained if they get out of line. They may protest, but they must obey the law.

Goodnight for real.

what the ‘real americans’ of times past would do would be to stand in front of a house and prevent anybody from forceably removing a family from their home

225 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:59:27pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

They may protest, but they must obey the law.

Speaking broadly and theoretically, no person must obey unjust or unfair laws, ever.

This is why we have civil rights, human rights, labor rights, disability rights and every other anti-confederate rights movements.

226 laZardo  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:00:55pm

re: #225 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Speaking broadly and theoretically, no person must obey unjust or unfair laws, ever.

This is why we have civil rights, human rights, labor rights, disability rights and every other anti-confederate rights movements.

Only those who are willing to break the law can be trusted to do what is right.

/anarchist pamphlet saying, take that as you will

227 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:01:25pm

if you look into this ANSWER thing by reading the wiksterpedia article, you’ll find that it is connected to many Organizations

i won’t be caught dead associating with any groups connected to Organizations. especially if they’ll have me as a member

228 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:02:38pm

Gordon Lightfoot - Sundown

Youtube Video

Copy. It’s hard to kill me.

229 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:04:08pm

re: #226 laZardo

Only those who are willing to break the law can be trusted to do what is right.

/anarchist pamphlet saying, take that as you will

Well, those willing to break f’ed up, repressive laws, anyway.

A conservative will tell you you must take whatever they dish out, and like it, or else. Lol f. that.

230 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:06:11pm

re: #227 engineer dog

if you look into this ANSWER thing by reading the wiksterpedia article, you’ll find that it is connected to many Organizations

i won’t be caught dead associating with any groups connected to Organizations. especially if they’ll have me as a member

I don’t even give a crap about ANSWER. You think I wake up in the morning thinking about how those dorks ruined my life? Doubt it. If you wake up in the morning worried about ANSWER then you might consider buying a new set of balls.

Try being a Coptic in Egypt. Or an atheist in Pakistan. Then come back to me.

231 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:15:37pm

re: #230 Gus 802

If you wake up in the morning worried about ANSWER then you might consider buying a new set of balls.

I don’t think anybody wakes up in that condition. But there’s nothing about them worth defending. They discredit OWS.

232 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:16:23pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Bush is a good sport even if we disagree with him.

Ahem

233 Gus  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:18:17pm

re: #232 000G

Ahem

That’s Rove. He can’t stop talking.

234 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:23:05pm

re: #231 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I don’t think anybody wakes up in that condition. But there’s nothing about them worth defending. They discredit OWS.

there’s nothing more irrelevant to current affairs in this country than groups of self important doctrinaire marxists desperately glomming on to the problems of people all over the world who they’ve never met and know nothing about

235 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:23:31pm

re: #233 Gus 802

That’s Rove. He can’t stop talking.

Who gave him a job and did not fire him? That’s right, the good sport from Texas.

236 laZardo  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:35:45pm

Headan’ to bed. Nighty.

237 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 11:57:56pm

Best I can tell from various FB messages and the Occupy Boston live feed is that some kind of major confrontation has developed tonight. Police are evidently clearing the various protest camps one at a time, with many arrests and beatings along the way. The video shows a protest camp completely surrounded by police vehicles. The scrolling text claims the cops have cleared that camp and are moving in on the one in Dewey Square. A friend sent me this earlier tonight:

all hell is breaking loose there. BPD came in with riot gear, beatings, tear gas. Cameras and video equipment were prohibited from the area and people were arrested for filming. Reporters/media officially banned from the area (whatever happened to freedom of the press?) Mass arrests, the female section of the jail is completely full and they are transferring to other jails. They are telling protesters that must break their camps and leave. SWAT is coming in.

Are there any Boston area Lizards who have a handle on this?

238 RemainCalm  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:26:28am

I’m like Moses,” says Cain, “except for the Jewish part, and I don’t have a brother who does all the talking, and I like Black Walnut ice cream and Moses probably never ate any.”
When reached at home, God denied talking to Herman Cain at all. “No way,” said the supreme deity,” The last time I got mixed up with some guy named Cain the whole thing went south and we had a murder to deal with.” God then stated he has not talked with any Republican candidates. “Those people go on as if they go bowling with ME every Thursday. I asked my Son in case there was some confusion, because We get that sometimes, but He says He prefers hanging out with the ‘feed the hungry’ crowd downtown.” When questioned directly about each Republican candidate claiming to hear from Him, the Lord was consistent. “I swear to Me, I haven’t said anything to those people. I mean, just look at them. Santorum? Yech, he makes Me regret letting the Google come to be. Two Mormons? Somebody’s been talking to that bunch but it isn’t Me. The only thing inspiring Rick Perry is whiskey, and I can’t even look that Bachmann lady in the eyes, she weirds Me out.”
After muttering something about looking forward to a good game of chess with “that old scoundrel Ron Paul” in the not too distant future, God abruptly ended the interview to meet the many-armed Goddess Kali for dinner.

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:27:02am

re: #237 Shiplord Kirel

Best I can tell from various FB messages and the Occupy Boston live feed is that some kind of major confrontation has developed tonight. Police are evidently clearing the various protest camps one at a time, with many arrests and beatings along the way. The video shows a protest camp completely surrounded by police vehicles. The scrolling text claims the cops have cleared that camp and are moving in on the one in Dewey Square. A friend sent me this earlier tonight:

Are there any Boston area Lizards who have a handle on this?

This is what Boston.com has.

240 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:43:51am

The “God wants me to run” thing is nothing more than slick politicians using Christian folks beliefs in order to gain their support. Regardless of the question “Is Christianity true or not”, insincere politicians using the religious beliefs of people solely for their own benefit is beyond disgusting. Of course it has happened before, and it will happen again. It is painful watching it happen in real time. And by painful I mean soul wrenching…

Most posters here seem to know this. But what can we do? Telling the believers that the people using their religious words are false usually does not bring about the desired results. Not to be overly dramatic, but only a voice from within the religious folks can turn the tide. Pretty much what people in USA have been saying about the radical Muslim movement.

241 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:44:44am

Now, God told them all to run, he knows that only one of them can win (and being omniscient and prescient, even knows who is going to win and by how many votes).

But still, there is no more convincing an argument that a candidate can bring than “Vote for me because I heard a voice in my head telling me to run!”

242 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:48:54am

re: #241 ralphieboy

Now, God told them all to run, he knows that only one of them can win (and being omniscient and prescient, even knows who is going to win and by how many votes).

But still, there is no more convincing an argument that a candidate can bring than “Vote for me because I heard a voice in my head telling me to run!”

If I was a betting man, I’d say that God would not any of these GOP candidates representing Him.

243 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:49:30am

I assume that Mitt Romney received golden tablets instructing him to run along with a set of magic spectacles, but he is keeping quiet on that…

244 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:52:46am

re: #243 ralphieboy

I assume that Mitt Romney received golden tablets instructing him to run along with a set of magic spectacles, but he is keeping quiet on that…

I love South Park…

Youtube Video
245 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:58:36am

Morning Honcos.

246 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 1:59:40am

re: #245 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos.

good late evening to you.. :)

247 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:01:18am

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

This is what Boston.com has.

I am following twitter.com
See also t.co

248 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:06:00am

re: #247 000G

*sigh* I don’t think arresting folks will stop this. They are expressing their freedom. And, “Freedom is just another word for nothing left lose”

249 researchok  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:14:35am

Morning, all

250 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:20:04am

re: #249 researchok

Morning, all

howdy

251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:23:44am

re: #248 boxhead

*sigh* I don’t think arresting folks will stop this. They are expressing their freedom. And, “Freedom is just another word for nothing left lose”

Agreed. Police crackdowns like this one are only going to put each locale on the map. Conservatives and other authoritarian conformists wallowing in glee over leftist protesters getting maced and batoned never learn from even their own history.

252 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:25:35am

re: #240 boxhead

The “God wants me to run” thing is nothing more than slick politicians using Christian folks beliefs in order to gain their support. Regardless of the question “Is Christianity true or not”, insincere politicians using the religious beliefs of people solely for their own benefit is beyond disgusting. Of course it has happened before, and it will happen again. It is painful watching it happen in real time. And by painful I mean soul wrenching…

Most posters here seem to know this. But what can we do? Telling the believers that the people using their religious words are false usually does not bring about the desired results. Not to be overly dramatic, but only a voice from within the religious folks can turn the tide. Pretty much what people in USA have been saying about the radical Muslim movement.

It’s just such obvious pandering. Jeebus, even Pander Queen Numero Uno Sarah Palin didn’t stoop to this “god told me” crap.

253 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:26:53am

re: #251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Agreed. Police crackdowns like this one are only going to put each locale on the map. Conservatives and other authoritarian conformists wallowing in glee over leftist protesters getting maced and batoned never learn from even their own history.

It has also illuminated the difference between the various law enforcement agencies in how these protests have been handled. Most have been peaceful. NYPD has shown to be especially egregious in their handling of the protests. LAPD has been supportive except for the bank incident. Stupid peoples on that one.

254 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:28:07am

re: #252 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It’s just such obvious pandering. Jeebus, even Pander Queen Numero Uno Sarah Palin didn’t stoop to this “god told me” crap.

yep… but they are buying it…. by the truck load… and that is disturbing.

255 researchok  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:29:19am

re: #253 boxhead

It has also illuminated the difference between the various law enforcement agencies in how these protests have been handled. Most have been peaceful. NYPD has shown to be especially egregious in their handling of the protests. LAPD has been supportive except for the bank incident. Stupid peoples on that one.

I don’t know if it is the job of the police to be ‘supportive’.

It is however, their job to be professional. What happened early on in NY is unacceptable.

256 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:30:47am

Awesome rationale for crackdown:

Officials do not want the protesters, who originally settled in Dewey Square, to occupy the space across Congress Street on the Greenway because it recently underwent a renovation project where expensive improvements were added, according to Elaine Driscoll, police spokeswoman.

257 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:32:39am

re: #256 000G

Tensions and new questions arose late Monday night when, at about 11:15, police issued written instructions and expectations of the growing group of protesters if officers demand that they disperse.

The notice informed the group of laws against trespassing on a new patch of the Greenway — bordered by Congress Street, Atlantic Avenue, Pearl Street, and Purchase Street — where tents have sprung up since about 4 p.m, and is also private property.

Police said they will use video to identify participants deemed to be breaking trespassing and unlawful assembly laws, which could apply to the demonstrators, who planned to encircle the camp, lock arms, and resist ejection.

Police said that if five armed people, or 10 unarmed people, are found to be unlawfully assembled, “police can demand that they immediately and peaceably disperse.”

258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:35:51am

re: #253 boxhead

NYPD has shown to be especially egregious in their handling of the protests.

Yeah that’s what makes me say that, that these violent crackdowns only put things on the map. Without the macing of the young woman, nobody would have ever heard of OWS.

259 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:37:17am

re: #257 000G

If the people who own the private property say it’s OK for protesters to be there, fine. If not, they can’t stay.

260 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:37:37am

re: #255 researchok

I don’t know if it is the job of the police to be ‘supportive’.

It is however, their job to be professional. What happened early on in NY is unacceptable.

I agree, and it put the OWS on the map. These dumbbell rightwingers cheering it on only ensure that more people will get interested and it will grow.

The other part of it is like you’re saying — ok, this is back to 60s civil rights/civil disobedience training, and also watching protest after protest in San Francisco — you have to work with the cops. Get your permits. Tell them where you’re going to be. They can’t hold down traffic or pedestrians or other logistics if you don’t work with them.

But if one wants to go the Black Bloc “rebellion is cute and trendy” route, yeah yer on yer own.

261 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:39:19am

re: #256 000G

Awesome rationale for crackdown:

Gentrification mentality.

262 researchok  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:41:58am

re: #260 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I agree, and it put the OWS on the map. These dumbbell rightwingers cheering it on only ensure that more people will get interested and it will grow.

The other part of it is like you’re saying — ok, this is back to 60s civil rights/civil disobedience training, and also watching protest after protest in San Francisco — you have to work with the cops. Get your permits. Tell them where you’re going to be. They can’t hold down traffic or pedestrians or other logistics if you don’t work with them.

But if one wants to go the Black Bloc “rebellion is cute and trendy” route, yeah yer on yer own.

Agreed on all counts.

In fact, the lack of in your face. confrontational posturing is exactly what gives OWS credibility.

I don’t agree with much of the OWS agenda but they have managed to not alienate a wide segment of the population. In fact, even the rhetoric is decidedly mild- and deliberately inclusive- and that works to their advantage.

263 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:45:27am

re: #259 Cannadian Club Akbar

If the people who own the private property say it’s OK for protesters to be there, fine. If not, they can’t stay.

Wonder who the owners are.

264 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:46:59am

re: #255 researchok

I don’t know if it is the job of the police to be ‘supportive’.

It is however, their job to be professional. What happened early on in NY is unacceptable.

I would think that the police organizations that have worked with the protesters come from proper behavior by the protesters and also the belief that the protesters represent those same police as well. The police are suffering from the economic woes same as other folks.

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:47:37am

re: #263 000G

Wonder who the owners are.

Not sure, but it does sound like a prime location with a four street intersection.

266 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:49:34am

re: #258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah that’s what makes me say that, that these violent crackdowns only put things on the map. Without the macing of the young woman, nobody would have ever heard of OWS.

True and representative of the problem. MSM has ignored these protests because, IMHO, they were told to by their corporate masters. It was the internet postings and then the independent media that forced awareness upon the rest of us.

267 researchok  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:50:34am

re: #264 boxhead

I would think that the police organizations that have worked with the protesters come from proper behavior by the protesters and also the belief that the protesters represent those same police as well. The police are suffering from the economic woes same as other folks.

That may very well be the case- but that does not mean the police ought to give preferential treatment to one group over any other. Their first priority is to maintain and preserve peace and order.

268 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:53:18am

re: #264 boxhead

I would think that the police organizations that have worked with the protesters come from proper behavior by the protesters and also the belief that the protesters represent those same police as well. The police are suffering from the economic woes same as other folks.

It’s weird — I listen to some of these dumb cons elevate the police as if they are their heroes, yet trash the very public sector and the unions that represent the police. They blame that sector for the same recession/economic downturn that was caused by “Wall Street”.

269 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:54:21am

re: #267 researchok

That may very well be the case- but that does not mean the police ought to give preferential treatment to one group over any other. Their first priority is to maintain and preserve peace and order.

yes… but they are people too. I don’t know if preferential treatment was given, but at least in LA, the powers that be made it clear that avoidance of violence was a directive.

270 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:56:05am

re: #268 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It’s weird — I listen to some of these dumb cons elevate the police as if they are their heroes, yet trash the very public sector and the unions that represent the police. They blame that sector for the same recession/economic downturn that was caused by “Wall Street”.

I would wager that is from suckling from the teat of very biased media outlets are the cause…. but that is a rather obvious statement.. :)

271 researchok  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:56:08am

re: #269 boxhead

yes… but they are people too. I don’t know if preferential treatment was given, but at least in LA, the powers that be made it clear that avoidance of violence was a directive.

To their credit!

272 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:57:32am

re: #271 researchok

To their credit!

heh… LAPD has been in the news for the wrong reasons too many times.. about time logic rules the day!

273 boxhead  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:58:53am

ack… time to sleep… night all

274 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:59:49am

re: #270 boxhead

I would wager that is from suckling from the teat of very biased media outlets are the cause… but that is a rather obvious statement.. :)

Yeah, that and everything they hear on Sunday morning and Wednesday night and Saturday Bible Study telling them to obey whatever laws are crammed down their dumb throats.

Why they expect/demand everyone else do it, though, I’ll never know…

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 3:00:05am

re: #272 boxhead

heh… LAPD has been in the news for the wrong reasons too many times.. about time logic rules the day!

IIRC, California had to use a bunch of the tobacco settlement money to cover lawsuits with the LAPD Rampart Division.

276 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 3:06:09am

re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, California had to use a bunch of the tobacco settlement money to cover lawsuits with the LAPD Rampart Division.

Wiki says $125 million.

277 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 3:15:55am

re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, California had to use a bunch of the tobacco settlement money to cover lawsuits with the LAPD Rampart Division.

This was true at the time. California actually had payout set up through 2025.
lao.ca.gov

278 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 3:19:52am

He lured the Ohio mother and her two daughters onto his boat. Then he bound and gagged them. Stripped them below the waist. Sexually assaulted them. Tied concrete blocks to their necks.

Then, one by one, Oba Chandler threw Joan Rogers and her teen daughters Michelle and Christe into Tampa Bay.

It was June 1, 1989, the first chapter in one of the bay area’s most horrific crimes. Finally, 22 years later, the last chapter is about to be written: Chandler is to be executed Nov. 15 at 4 p.m. under the death warrant signed by Gov. Rick Scott on Monday. Chandler turned 65 on death row today.
…
“What was so atrocious in this is that, in all likelihood two of the three watched the first one die,” said Chief Assistant State Attorney Bruce Bartlett, who prosecuted Chandler. “And one of the three watched the other two die.
…
A year later, still defiant, Chandler spoke to a Times reporter from prison. He said his last words would be: “Kiss my rosy red ass!”

tampabay.com

279 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 3:35:53am

Morning Folks

280 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 3:41:42am

MILWAUKEE (Associated Press) — A Milwaukee woman abducted a young pregnant mother and removed her fetus just days before the baby was due, killing both of them, authorities said. The suspect was arrested after she tried to pass the baby off as her own.

Milwaukee police said the 33-year-old woman removed the full-term baby from Maritza Ramirez-Cruz’ uterus “by force,” but did not elaborate.

The suspect called 911 on Thursday saying she had given birth at home and that the baby wasn’t breathing, police said. An autopsy and investigation led police back Friday to the suspect’s home, where they found the 23-year-old mother’s body in the basement. The woman was arrested but has not been charged.
huffingtonpost.com

I know it says the woman hasn’t been charged but I’m sure it is just a formality.

281 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 3:45:23am
Today the mood in Cairo was wary & melancholic. With the reality of what went down yesterday at Maspero hitting them with its full might, the general population that yesterday found itself on the brinks of chaos is utterly terrified. The number of phone calls I received from people who were worried and horrified made me wish I could shut off my phone, with everyone looking at the future with an incredibly bleak outlook. It’s easy to fall into that mood- after all you have your army killing your people, a long oppressed minority of it at that- but if one looks beyond what happened, one sees a very different picture. What happened yesterday was the beginning of the end of the military rule over Egypt: The days of the SCAF ruling us are numbered. And not because they don’t want to, but because they will no longer have any other choice.

A quick recap over what has went down yesterday: a huge demo held by Coptic Christians & muslim supporters protesting against yet another fight over the building of a Church was attacked by the Egyptian armed forces there to protect it and plainclothed thugs. Shots were fired at protesters killing them, rocks were thrown by protesters in return, protesters were overrun by armored vehicles, the Egyptian State TV issued a plea asking Egyptian citizens to come to the Demo and “protect the army from Christian thugs”, and a street battle that resulted in over 24 dead and 150 injured. The street battle after a while turned into Egyptian citizens fighting each other, without any of them being able to figure out who was fighting who. Pandemonium, for a lack of a better word.

But the moment the dust settled the questions started presenting themselves: This was obviously planned, so what the hell was the SCAF thinking? How could they attack and kill Egyptians on the street so casually, while their sole purpose is to protect them from getting killed? How could they risk enflaming the country into a huge sectarian battle by having state Media so conscientiously attacking the Christians and promoting violence against them? How did they not see that the choice they made is an inherently flawed one that it could spell their doom? How do you explain last night?

sandmonkey.org

282 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 3:50:01am

whoa

video of protestors pretty much lynching soldiers who got stuck in the mob:
facebook.com

283 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 3:57:15am

re: #282 000G

whoa

video of protestors pretty much lynching soldiers who got stuck in the mob:
[Link: www.facebook.com…]

Paybacks are a bitch.

284 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:06:44am

Odyssey Marine Exploration made the discovery last month, according to FOX News. And it’s not the Florida treasure hunting company’s first time striking gold on the ocean floor. In September, the hunters discovered the SS Gairsoppa, a cargo ship carrying more than $200 million worth of silver.
huffingtonpost.com

Two shipwrecks in two months. I think I would take a day off.:)

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:09:04am

OK. This SUCKS!!!

Youtube Video
286 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:14:49am

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just saw that on Morning Joe. That looked like it hurt.

287 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:21:49am

wtf?

(AP) MILWAUKEE - Desperate to give her boyfriend a son but unable to conceive, Annette Morales-Rodriguez faked a pregnancy for months, court documents say, then began trolling Milwaukee’s streets for pregnant women in hopes of stealing an unborn baby.

After two days of searching, the 33-year-old woman finally spotted Maritza Ramirez-Cruz, who was just a week from her due date. Morales-Rodriguez lured the young Puerto Rican immigrant into her home, according to court documents, and beat the pregnant woman with a baseball bat before cutting her full-term fetus from her womb with an X-Acto knife, killing both mother and baby.

[…]

As Ramirez-Cruz lay on the floor, Morales-Rodriguez straddled her, choked her until she passed out, duct-taped her hands, feet, mouth and nose and put a plastic bag over head, according to the complaint. Then she sliced into Ramirez-Cruz’s stomach with an X-Acto knife and pulled out the baby, the complaint said.

She told detectives she was trying to imitate a procedure she had seen on the Discovery Channel, the complaint said. When she pulled the fetus out, the baby wasn’t breathing, Morales-Rodriguez said. She then dragged Ramirez-Cruz’s body into the basement and hid it, according to the complaint.

She smeared some of Ramirez-Cruz’s blood on her thighs to make people think she, Morales-Rodriguez, was bleeding from giving birth. She called 911 and said she’d given birth to a stillborn. She was taken to a hospital, but left before she was fully examined, the complaint said.

[…]

So-called “fetal abduction” cases are extremely rare, police say, but far from unheard of. Cases of women taking an unborn child from a mother’s womb were reported in Massachusetts and Oregon in 2009, in Pennsylvania in 2007, in Illinois in 2006 and Missouri in 2004.

cbsnews.com

288 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:23:47am

re: #287 000G

Psycho.

289 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:26:20am

I was going to suggest Obdi take video the next time he heads down to the OWS protest but maybe that’s not a good idea:

Occupy DC Activists Block Adam Kokesh From Recording Gathering
pixiq.com

On Saturday, Adam Kokesh, the Iraq veteran turned activist journalist, was video recording a gathering of Occupy D.C. activists when they asked him to stop.

He asserted his rights and continue recording, so a couple of them stood with their backs in front of the camera, trying to prevent him from recording.

This led to an interesting discussion between Kokesh and an activist who also described himself as an independent journalist.

Youtube Video

(the crowd is doing that whole “repeat after me” thing like atlanta. Didn’t see jazz fingers though)

290 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:27:39am

re: #289 RogueOne

Kokesh is a douche.

291 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:30:28am

re: #290 000G

Kokesh is a douche.

He’s a major anti-war paulian but he’s not afraid of asserting his rights to either the state or individuals. I first heard about him when he was doing his “bus for peace” tour. Funny stuff.

292 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:30:47am

re: #289 RogueOne

There were tons of people recording video while I was down there. It wouldn’t be a problem, but, similarly, I don’t think it’d have any actual value, either.

293 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:32:36am

re: #292 Obdicut

There were tons of people recording video while I was down there. It wouldn’t be a problem, but, similarly, I don’t think it’d have any actual value, either.

From the video it looks like only a couple people had a problem with it but it only takes one person being an idiot for things to go badly.

294 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:32:56am

re: #291 RogueOne

I think he’s mainly into provocation stunts in order to “expose how unjust the world is” or something. I found all of his work that I saw to be really irritating.

295 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:34:31am

re: #294 000G

I think he’s mainly into provocation stunts in order to “expose how unjust the world is” or something. I found all of his work that I saw to be really irritating.

I’ll agree. He’s an agitator but I have a soft spot in my psyche for agitators.

296 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:37:45am

Local news:
Last week someone in rural Indiana killed an entire family and their neighbor. It looks like it revolved around Hillbilly heroin:

5 slayings may be tied to drug deal, police say
indystar.com

297 RogueOne  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:39:43am

I need to get moving. Enjoy the day people. Stay away from hillbilly drug dealers living in trailers in the boonies.

298 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:43:36am

Bavaria’s Minister of Interior denies illegality of use of government trojan, says Bavarian judges approved and state parliament had been notified, and that scandal has no merits; Conservatives in general give pushback:
rp-online.de

Social Democrats demand personal consquences:
tagesschau.de

299 JEA62  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:44:56am

Well, only one can possibly be right, so we’ve got THREE delusional GOP candidates for President.

Or more likely, four.

300 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:47:31am

re: #298 000G

Even if it weren’t illegal, it would still be terrifically stupid.

301 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:00:35am

re: #300 Obdicut

Well, it clearly violates limits set forth by the constitutional court in 2008: http://bit.ly/rscYjC

Furthermore, the Landgericht Landshut (one of 22 state courts in Bavaria) has ruled the employed methods as unlawful as recently as January of this years.

The Conservatives are doing what we call “sich um Kopf und Kragen reden”. They are denying, deflecting, downplaying and all the while creating a cavalcade of contradictions.

Btw, it looks right now like they are trying to contain the problem at the state level:

BERLIN (AP) – Germany’s Interior Ministry says no federal security services were involved in using a Trojan horse program to spy on people through their computers.

[…]

Interior Ministry spokesman Markus Beyer told reporters no federal agencies were involved, and noted that the program used was about three years old and widely available.

Angela Merkel’s spokesman Steffen Seibert said on Twitter that the chancellor takes the situation “very seriously” and is asking states to clarify whether Trojan horse programs have been used.

usatoday.com

302 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:08:22am

re: #300 Obdicut

Even if it weren’t illegal, it would still be terrifically stupid.

I found that there is actually an official English language version of the 2008 constitutional court ruling:

bverfg.de

Accompanying press release: bverfg.de

303 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:11:23am

re: #301 000G

I just meant that even if it weren’t illegal, it’d still be a massive scandal. Their excuses don’t even make sense.

I doubt the firebreak between state and federal will hold.

What do you think the actual consequences of this will be? How pissed off do you think the country will get?

304 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:14:29am

Morning Lizardim. How are things this clear cool dewy morning?

305 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:22:30am

re: #303 Obdicut

What do you think the actual consequences of this will be? How pissed off do you think the country will get?

I don’t know. All of the political parties besides the Conservatives (CDU/CSU) are trying to capitalize on it: Not just Social Democrats and Greens but also the Liberals (FDP) who have been coalition partners with the Conservatives on a federal level for some time now but had been massively losing popular support ever since they got elected, so they are trying to get back to their old taking points of civil liberties (their Justice Minister is actually a credible figure in this regard, as opposed to the party in general which had been pretty hypocritical). It is also a way for the Pirate Party, which only just recently got elected into the first state’s parliament (Berlin) to make more headlines, as it is a core party platform issue for them (they have a natural affiliation with CCC et al).

So, I am guessing it will be difficult for the Conservatives to stem the tide. But beyond parties, I don’t know what kind of popular pressure will emerge. The media is up in arms, but their problem is that so far the issue is a little too abstract. But I don’t think that is too much of an issue. German media is excellent in milking the most abstract issues.

Perfect example: Former Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, who resigned in March of this year over the scandal that broke out when his doctoral thesis had been found out to consist largely of plagiarized material and the university sacked his title. Btw, that guy is now living on his own estate in Greenwich, Connecticut. :-)

306 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:31:41am
The U.S. government has obtained a controversial type of secret court order to force Google Inc. and small Internet provider Sonic.net Inc. to turn over information from the email accounts of WikiLeaks volunteer Jacob Appelbaum, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

online.wsj.com

307 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:33:11am

For the children!

Biggest four UK ISPs switching to ‘opt-in’ system for pornography

David Cameron unveils deal with big four providers based on charity’s proposals to protect children from sexual content

Subscribers to four of the UK’s biggest internet service providers will have to “opt in” if they want to view sexually explicit websites, as part of government-sponsored curbs on online pornography.

The measures will be unveiled on Tuesday as David Cameron hosts No 10 meeting with the Mothers’ Union, which earlier this year produced a raft of proposals to shield children from sexualised imagery.

The prime minister is expected to announce other moves in line with the Christian charity’s review, such as restrictions on aggressive advertising campaigns and certain types of images on billboards.

There will also be a website, Parentport, which parents can use to complain about television programmes, advertisements, products or services which they believe are inappropriate for children.

The site, which will direct complaints to the regulator dealing with that specific area of concern, is expected to be run by watchdogs including the Advertising Standards Authority, BBC Trust, British Board of Film Classification, Ofcom, Press Complaints Commission, Video Standards Council and Pan European Game Information.

The service providers involved are BT, Sky, TalkTalk and Virgin. Customers who do not opt in to adult content will be unableto access pornographic websites.

guardian.co.uk

308 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:36:46am

re: #307 000G

For the children!

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

That depends on what they are going to define as “adult content.” Would sites like Cracked, TheOnion, Fark, and any other blog that allows people to drop the F-bomb and other naughty words also be included?

309 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:37:32am

re: #308 Alouette

That depends on what they are going to define as “adult content.” Would sites like Cracked, TheOnion, Fark, and any other blog that allows people to drop the F-bomb and other naughty words also be included?

And therein lies the big problem with such a system. Now, all of a sudden, the ISPs are the arbiters of morality. Whatever happened to good old-fashioned PARENTING?

310 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:39:38am

Pretty much all of the cases in which the german government trojan was used seem to be related to relatively minor drug issues or other petty stuff. No terror or organized crime or whatever.

Meanwhile, the Conservatives accuse the CCC of lying. :-)

311 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:40:37am

re: #309 thedopefishlives

And therein lies the big problem with such a system. Now, all of a sudden, the ISPs are the arbiters of morality. Whatever happened to good old-fashioned PARENTING?

Parents today let their kids surf the interwebz all unsupervised just like TWO generations ago they plopped the kids in front of the TV and a generation ago they plopped them down in front of MTV.

[Jeez I’m old]

312 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:42:08am

re: #311 Alouette

Parents today let their kids surf the interwebz all unsupervised just like a generation ago they plopped the kids in front of the TV.

It’s not FAIR. MY parents never plopped me in front of a TV or let me surf the Web for hours at a time with no supervision whatsoever. I had to either go outside and play, or sit in my room and read books. I want a do-over.

313 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:43:22am

re: #312 thedopefishlives

It’s not FAIR. MY parents never plopped me in front of a TV or let me surf the Web for hours at a time with no supervision whatsoever. I had to either go outside and play, or sit in my room and read books. I want a do-over.

Did those even exist when you were a kid???
///

314 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:43:25am

re: #312 thedopefishlives

It’s not FAIR. MY parents never plopped me in front of a TV or let me surf the Web for hours at a time with no supervision whatsoever. I had to either go outside and play, or sit in my room and read books. I want a do-over.

Wow, did you grow up before TV was invented? They probably restricted your radio listening to the “Fireside Chats.”

315 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:45:00am

re: #313 Varek Raith

re: #314 Alouette

Geez, guys, way to make a guy feel old. I’m turning 27 next week.

I think I’ll go sit in a corner and cry now.

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:45:44am

re: #313 Varek Raith

Did those even exist when you were a kid???
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I think books existed but they came on a different kind of “reader tablet”.:)

317 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:45:54am

re: #315 thedopefishlives

re: #314 Alouette

Geez, guys, way to make a guy feel old. I’m turning 27 next week.

I think I’ll go sit in a corner and cry now.

Rofl.
I’m older than you by a year or so.
:P

318 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:51:56am

re: #316 Cannadian Club Akbar

Damn kids. Get off my lawn.

319 darthstar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:52:54am

Why isn’t the main/lame/blamestream media talking about THIS?

Mornin’ everyone.

320 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:54:22am

re: #319 darthstar

Why isn’t the main/lame/blamestream media talking about THIS?

Mornin’ everyone.

You would think a story like that might get some ink.
(boo!!)

321 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:57:37am

re: #320 Cannadian Club Akbar

You would think a story like that might get some ink.
(boo!!)

15 yard penalty.

322 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:00:29am

Tampa and Arizona are in the running for the 2015 Super Bowl. I’m guessing Tampa will get it because of the Arizona immigration laws. Thanks, Arizona!!!

323 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:04:25am

re: #316 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think books existed but they came on a different kind of “reader tablet”.:)

Clay?

324 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:05:25am

re: #323 oaktree

Clay?

Cave wall.

325 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:07:47am

HAHAHAHAHA!
Image: 111010095542-granderson-snow-globe-story-story-top.jpg
We’re so, forgive my use of the term, retarded.

326 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:11:07am

re: #324 Cannadian Club Akbar

Cave wall.

Hard to find a publisher for those works. Need to hire a good flood or volcano every time you need a new writing surface…

Not to mention dealing with that first art critic. ;)

327 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:12:14am

re: #325 Varek Raith

HAHAHAHAHA!
Image: 111010095542-granderson-snow-globe-story-story-top .jpg
We’re so, forgive my use of the term, retarded.

“Stand back!! I have Cinderella’s Pumpkin Chariot right here!!!”

“Um, that looks pretty boring.”

*shakeshakeshake*

“Now whatdaya think”?

“Ooohhh!!”
/

328 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:12:43am
DHS Launches ‘Minority Report’ Pre-Crime Detection Program

Could your ethnicity, gender, breathing and heart rate provide clues to criminal intent?

The Department of Homeland Security apparently thinks so. The agency is already testing a program on select members of the public to determine if algorithms using these factors could indicate mal-intent, according to an internal document obtained by the Electronic Privacy Information Center and passed to CNET.

The system, dubbed FAST – or Future Attribute Screening Technology – was just an idea in 2007 and is now already in operation, according to the June 2010 document. FAST collected or retained information on unspecified members of the public in at least one field test conducted in an undisclosed location in the Northeast. A limited trial was also conducted with DHS employees.

wired.com

329 darthstar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:14:11am

Fox poll on OWS - 68% say “yes, the protesters represent my views”
130,000 votes so far…of course…it’s non-scientific.
foxnews.com

330 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:14:19am

re: #328 000G

[Link: www.wired.com…]

Hey DHS?
Analyze this.

331 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:14:26am

laffo:

blackboardsinporn.blogspot.com

332 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:15:41am

re: #329 darthstar

Fox poll on OWS - 68% say “yes, the protesters represent my views”
130,000 votes so far…of course…it’s non-scientific.
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

I clicked “other” and wrote in Luap Nor.

333 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:16:25am

re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar

I clicked “other” and wrote in Luap Nor.

WTF kind of poll does not include RON PAUL?!?!

334 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:16:58am

re: #331 000G

LMAO - and what search prompted that result?

335 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:17:07am
A new paper to be published in the upcoming issue of Marketing Science shows that removing DRM from music leads to a decrease in piracy. Or phrased differently, DRM appears to be an incentive for people to pirate music instead of buying it. The researchers from Rice and Duke University used analytical modelling to come to this seemingly common sense conclusion.

DRM only hurts legitimate customers.

The phrase above has been written a few dozen times here on TorrentFreak, and it’s now supported by an academic report.

Researchers from Rice and Duke University looked into the effect of digital restrictions on music piracy. In their paper “Music Downloads and the Flip Side of Digital Rights Management Protection” they conclude that DRM doesn’t prevent piracy at all. Quite the opposite.

“Only the legal users pay the price and suffer from the restrictions. Illegal users are not affected because the pirated product does not have DRM restrictions,” the researchers write in their report.

Ditching DRM and other restrictions would actually reduce piracy according to the analytical model developed by the researchers.

“In many cases, DRM restrictions prevent legal users from doing something as normal as making backup copies of their music. Because of these inconveniences, some consumers choose to pirate,” DinahVernik, assistant professor of marketing at Rice’s Jones Graduate School of Business says.

torrentfreak.com

336 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:17:51am

re: #334 lawhawk

LMAO - and what search prompted that result?

Glenn Beck and porn?
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337 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:18:17am

re: #334 lawhawk

LMAO - and what search prompted that result?

Got it from here: twitter.com

338 darthstar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:18:33am

re: #331 000G

laffo:

[Link: blackboardsinporn.blogspot.com…]

I’m late for English.

339 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:18:53am

re: #335 000G

[Link: torrentfreak.com…]

Starforce is the perfect example of DRM that is malware.

340 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:24:36am

re: #337 000G

I’m following the wrong stuff on twitter. /

341 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:25:05am

re: #338 darthstar

And Math class. Definitely math class.

342 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:26:44am

re: #340 lawhawk

I’m following the wrong stuff on twitter. /

What an odd hobby, no?
Lol.

343 darthstar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:28:14am

re: #341 lawhawk

And Math class. Definitely math class.

I don’t know about you, but I always watched porn because the story lines were so compelling.

/

344 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:29:15am

re: #343 darthstar

I don’t know about you, but I always watched porn because the story lines were so compelling.

/

If only HS were really like that.
/

345 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:30:06am

re: #343 darthstar

Now I know why I did so poorly in calculus. I didn’t have the proper foundations and skill sets. That and bad professors and TAs.

Yeah, that’s the ticket. /

346 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:30:17am

re: #344 Varek Raith

If only HS were really like that.
/

I’m sure it was, for some people.

347 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:33:50am

re: #335 000G

You know, we’ve been saying that for years, and the record labels haven’t been listening. Neither have the game companies. People are so paranoid about protecting their Most Holy IP, they don’t understand how to adapt to new methods of business.

348 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:34:23am

Kanye West does not look like he has the time of his life @ OSW:

Youtube Video
349 darthstar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:36:20am

re: #348 000G

Kanye West does not look like he has the time of his life @ OSW:

[Video]

Mos Def is Kanye’s spokesman?

350 BishopX  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:44:24am

Morning lizards,

re: #347 thedopefishlives

On the other hand the 3rd humble indie bundle just made 1 million dollars in a week, which is pretty good stuff.

351 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:49:53am

Good morning lizards.

352 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:53:18am

CHICAGO—Amber Miller felt contractions just minutes after crossing the finish line at the Chicago Marathon. A few hours later, the suburban Chicago woman—who slogged her way through 26.2 miles while nearly 39 weeks pregnant—delivered a healthy baby girl.

Read more: aol.sportingnews.com

I will never complain about having a busy day again.

353 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:56:14am

GOP war on voting encounters rising defense

354 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:56:46am

re: #335 000G

These guys should study gun sales next. One can argue the regulations have far more impact on lawful consumers than felons.

355 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:00:27am

Boston police arrest 50 from Occupy Boston

BOSTON – More than 50 protesters from the Occupy Boston movement were arrested early Tuesday after they ignored warnings to move from a downtown greenway near where they have been camped out for more than a week, police said.

Police spokesman Jamie Kenneally said the arrests began about 1:30 a.m. Tuesday and were mostly for trespassing.

The protesters, part of the national Occupy Wall Street movement, had tried to expand from their original site in Dewey Square to a second site across the street, along the Rose Kennedy Greenway. A local conservancy group recently planted $150,000 worth of shrubs along the greenway and officials said they were concerned about damage.

Damn kids, get off my lawn!

356 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:02:36am

re: #352 Cannadian Club Akbar

CHICAGO—Amber Miller felt contractions just minutes after crossing the finish line at the Chicago Marathon. A few hours later, the suburban Chicago woman—who slogged her way through 26.2 miles while nearly 39 weeks pregnant—delivered a healthy baby girl.

Read more: [Link: aol.sportingnews.com…]

I will never complain about having a busy day again.

And I thought my daughter was being XTreme when she spent the afternoon baking a bunch of bread, cake and cookies, and then went into the bedroom and home-birthed a 10-lb. baby, and then GOT UP AND BAKED MORE COOKIES!

I can understand the craving for really good chocolate chip cookies, but, c’mon now…

357 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:06:27am

re: #352 Cannadian Club Akbar

That is not admirable nor funny. It is tantamount to trying to force an abortion at 39 weeks. She should be charged with child endangerment.

358 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:07:26am

re: #355 NJDhockeyfan

The cops also told the media to leave and to not film what they were about to do.
Wonder why?

359 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:08:22am

re: #357 Naso Tang

That is not admirable nor funny. It is tantamount to trying to force an abortion at 39 weeks. She should be charged with child endangerment.

I’m gonna guess she cleared it with her doctor.

360 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:09:52am

re: #359 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’m gonna guess she cleared it with her doctor.

Actually, her doctor said she could run half.

361 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:10:51am

re: #358 Varek Raith

The cops also told the media to leave and to not film what they were about to do.
Wonder why?

They also destroyed private property of the protestors.
Fancy that.

362 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:11:16am

re: #357 Naso Tang

That is not admirable nor funny. It is tantamount to trying to force an abortion at 39 weeks. She should be charged with child endangerment.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Sarah Palin continue to campaign and deliver speeches several hours after the onset of labor?

363 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:14:36am

re: #358 Varek Raith

The cops also told the media to leave and to not film what they were about to do.
Wonder why?

So they can kick, beat, mace, and shoot rubber bullets at the peaceful protesters.

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364 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:18:32am

Until 2008 Wall Street was the epitome of what America was about: making money. In its purest form - you don’t need to produce or invent or design anything, you just provide “financial services”, the purpose of which is to make money into more money.

And because it was so quintissentially American and ostensibly successful at what it was doing, we let them write their own rules. Which allowed them to make tons of money - at our expense.

That truth is slowly dawning on all but the most ideologically hidebound Americans, and I am glad that OWC has helped play a role in crystallizing opinion on that point.

365 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:19:49am

This should be fun to watch…

Protesters plan to create chaos on Capitol Hill

During an evening meeting at Freedom Plaza in Washington, D.C., protesters discussed plans to storm Capitol Hill Tuesday and create chaos inside and outside House and Senate office buildings.

“We will have people going in over time into all the different doors of all the different buildings,” said one of the organizers of the “Stop the Machine” movement to roughly 100 assembled protesters.

…At an appointed time and in a particular office building — both of which will be named at a meeting in Freedom Plaza Tuesday at 9:00 a.m. — the protesters plan to create a ruckus which they hope will shut down work on Capitol Hill.

“We will have all variety of creative actions including packing the elevators and pushing all the buttons and not getting out and stopping the hallways that connect the building to the other buildings and the banner drops and the song singing and don’t let them in the bathrooms and all the rest of it,” the aforementioned organizer said.

“And we will have an outside component which will involve gathering at a location near the buildings that we will named tomorrow morning and making our ways to the outside of the doors of that particular building.”

I’m sure this will help them gain much more support.
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366 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:28:20am

re: #365 NJDhockeyfan

This will certainly be lashed out at by their opponents, but in the end, is it significantly different than what the Tea Party Caucus did to budget negotiations this summer?

367 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:28:56am

re: #364 ralphieboy

I’m just not sure how much OWS is waking people up to this. But the 99% meme is a good one. Maybe even accomplishing that much is something.

The amount of ‘end the fed’ nonsense there is still dispiriting me. People seem to be angry at the bailouts not having had any regulatory strings attached and for some reason think that the Fed is the cause of that, rather than just a mechanism. It’s kind of like protesting against the Iraq war by calling for an end the Pentagon.

368 lostlakehiker  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:30:59am

You know, Moses got a clearer message than any of these, and he was still all like Why Me? Who am I?

These candidates, by contrast, are quick to hear even the faintest whisper. They, perhaps, should be the ones to conclude that sometimes a shape in the clouds is just a shape in the clouds, and not a message. As Freud once remarked, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

369 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:31:05am

re: #363 NJDhockeyfan

So they can kick, beat, mace, and shoot rubber bullets at the peaceful protesters.

///

If they’ve got nothing to hide, why kick out the media? They scared of others seeing it on tv or something?
;)

370 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:31:06am

re: #366 ralphieboy

This will certainly be lashed out at by their opponents, but in the end, is it significantly different than what the Tea Party Caucus did to budget negotiations this summer?

You mean when they stormed Capital Hill and created chaos and causing government building to be closed?

371 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:32:13am

re: #369 Varek Raith

If they’ve got nothing to hide, why kick out the media? They scared of others seeing it on tv or something?
;)

Right, because the cops are the real bad guys.
///

372 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:32:39am

re: #370 NJDhockeyfan

You mean when they stormed Capital Hill and created chaos and causing government building to be closed?

Everybody hears their own ego talking to them, and they think it’s G-D because they worship their own ego.

373 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:32:46am

re: #370 NJDhockeyfan

You mean when they stormed Capital Hill and created chaos and causing government building to be closed?

Worse.
Or do you think the TeaParty downgrade was no big deal?
Besides, it’s not like the GOP would allow any, you know, actual work to be done anyway.
:P

374 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:32:57am

Club sammiches not protesters!!!
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375 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:34:53am

re: #373 Varek Raith

Worse.
Or do you think the TeaParty downgrade was no big deal?
Besides, it’s not like the GOP would allow any, you know, actual work to be done anyway.
:P

Right, so by disagreeing with them it’s OK to rush into government buildings to cause mayhem. Wonderful!

376 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:35:45am

re: #375 NJDhockeyfan

Right, so by disagreeing with them it’s OK to rush into government buildings to cause mayhem. Wonderful!

Strawman.
I’m just pointing out how they are no where near equal.
Like you seem to be doing.

377 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:36:09am

I was so touched last night when Zedushka gave me a little necklace that he bought by himself out of his own Social Security check, to celebrate our 40th anniversary.

So sweet! I will wear it all the time!

378 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:37:51am

re: #377 Alouette

I was so touched last night when Zedushka gave me a little necklace that he bought by himself out of his own Social Security check, to celebrate our 40th anniversary.

So sweet! I will wear it all the time!

That Zedushka, he is a keeper. :) Congratulations on 40 years, certainly gives the Mrs. Fish and I something to aspire to.

379 lostlakehiker  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:38:06am

re: #357 Naso Tang

That is not admirable nor funny. It is tantamount to trying to force an abortion at 39 weeks. She should be charged with child endangerment.

And here I thought we were all pro-choice here.//
It’s not admirable, and it’s not funny, but the woman is within her rights. There’s no law on the books against exercise while pregnant. What’s more, the result justifies the law’s silence on the matter.

Big Government grows out of the idea that nanny knows best. Nanny doesn’t. Nanny doesn’t know the myriad individual facts that ought to factor into most human decisions.

Even in cases where it really is settled science, e.g. drinking and fetal alcohol syndrome, we have mostly chosen as a society to use persuasion, rather than force. Couples are warned. Those who ignore the warnings and find themselves parents of a child whose life they have ruined right out of the box, are scorned. But if there are laws forbidding drunks to have unprotected sex, it’s news to me.

380 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:38:58am

OWS shenanigans cause Capitol Hill to be shut down for several hours.
VS!
TeaParty shenanigans cause a downgrade of our credit rating and nearly cause us to default. They also create widespread uncertainty in the world markets.

One of these things is not like the other.
:P

381 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:40:11am

re: #376 Varek Raith

Strawman.
I’m just pointing out how they are no where near equal.
Like you seem to be doing.

No they are not equal. That we can agree.

382 Lidane  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:40:18am

re: #362 Alouette

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Sarah Palin continue to campaign and deliver speeches several hours after the onset of labor?

If accounts are to be believed, she also flew cross-country back to Alaska to deliver her child.

383 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:40:53am

re: #381 NJDhockeyfan

No they are not equal. That we can agree.

Dammit!
I don’t want to agree!
*Hits NJ with chair WWE style*
/
:)

384 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:42:39am

re: #383 Varek Raith

Dammit!
I don’t want to agree!
*Hits NJ with chair WWE style*
/
:)

That’s gonna bother you all day :)

385 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:43:53am

re: #384 NJDhockeyfan

That’s gonna bother you all day :)

What can I say? I like disagreeing with people over stuff.
Important stuff.
Minor stuff.
Stupid stuff.
You name it!
:P

386 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:44:09am

re: #385 Varek Raith

What can I say? I like disagreeing with people over stuff.
Important stuff.
Minor stuff.
Stupid stuff.
You name it!
:P

No you don’t! *WHACK!*

387 lostlakehiker  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:44:56am

re: #380 Varek Raith

OWS shenanigans cause Capitol Hill to be shut down for several hours.
VS!
TeaParty shenanigans cause a downgrade of our credit rating and nearly cause us to default. They also create widespread uncertainty in the world markets.

One of these things is not like the other.
:P

The “tea party shenanigans” that are associated with the credit downgrade were legal. It’s not against the law for legislators to vote down a budget.

It’s not logical, for that matter, to put the downgrade down to shenanigans. There are real and grave problems that would persist even if the administration got its entire wish list. One could make a case for the proposition that if it did get that wish list, the credit rating ought to go still lower.

Proposals to double and redouble taxes, so that spending can triple and retriple, do not inspire confidence in the value of Treasuries. The fact that the president’s budget got no votes whatever in the senate says something. Rejected, 97-0.

388 Gus  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:45:46am

Occupy Wall Street is goin’ to take over the nahsun with Marxizm and hippies! It’s the beginning of the end in Murica!

389 Altermite  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:46:58am

My favorite part is that they plan(ned) on barricading the bathrooms in capital hill.

390 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:48:59am

re: #389 Altermite

My favorite part is that they plan(ned) on barricading the bathrooms in capital hill.

Kinda like a college bar that has “free beer until someone goes pee” night?
/

391 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:49:01am

re: #380 Varek Raith

It’s not TeaParty shenanigans. It’s GOP shenanigans.

The comparison shouldn’t be between the Tea Party and the OWS guys. It should be the GOP and the OWS guys. The GOP’s economic and social policies are just as radical, if not more, than what you’ll find espoused at OWS.

392 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:49:48am

re: #391 Obdicut

It’s not TeaParty shenanigans. It’s GOP shenanigans.

The comparison shouldn’t be between the Tea Party and the OWS guys. It should be the GOP and the OWS guys. The GOP’s economic and social policies are just as radical, if not more, than what you’ll find espoused at OWS.

True that.

393 Gus  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:50:01am

re: #387 lostlakehiker

The “tea party shenanigans” that are associated with the credit downgrade were legal. It’s not against the law for legislators to vote down a budget.

It’s not logical, for that matter, to put the downgrade down to shenanigans. There are real and grave problems that would persist even if the administration got its entire wish list. One could make a case for the proposition that if it did get that wish list, the credit rating ought to go still lower.

Proposals to double and redouble taxes, so that spending can triple and retriple, do not inspire confidence in the value of Treasuries. The fact that the president’s budget got no votes whatever in the senate says something. Rejected, 97-0.

Yes, it said something:

Democratic aides said ahead of the vote that the Democratic caucus would not support the plan because it has been supplanted by the deficit-reduction plan Obama outlined at a speech at George Washington University in April.

…

No Democratic senator was willing to support it, however, after Obama discussed a more ambitious plan at George Washington University to save $4 trillion over 12 years. Republicans criticized his speech for lacking detail.

394 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:51:31am

re: #387 lostlakehiker

The downgrade didn’t happen because of ‘real and grave problems’, it happened because of the stonewalling of the GOP, especially in their complete refusal to raise taxes as necessary to address the debt.

Proposals to double and redouble taxes, so that spending can triple and retriple, do not inspire confidence in the value of Treasuries.

Oh boy. Who, please, proposed tripling spending? And confidence in treasuries is doing just fine; that’s the irony. The interest rates on treasuries are incredibly low and we’re still having no trouble selling them. That’s what makes what the GOP did especially moronic; they’re trying to prevent us from borrowing money during a time period where borrowing is amazingly cheap.

One could make a case for the proposition that if it did get that wish list, the credit rating ought to go still lower.

Oh yeah? Go ahead and make that case.

395 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:51:35am

Here’s something that the OWS protesters probably don’t realize (or don’t understand). Wall Street funds 14% of the NYS budget through direct taxation. When the recession hit, it hit the NYS budget real hard - to the tune of billions of dollars that had to be made up somewhere. So when Wall Street caught a cold, the state budget got pneumonia. That could again happen according to the NYS Comptroller.

Comptroller Tom DiNapoli is out today with his annual report about the economic conditions on Wall Street, and it is grim: the financial sector, which provides 14 percent of state revenues, saw its profits nosedive after the first quarter and as such, could lay off as many as 10,000 workers and cut back on end-of-year cash bonuses.

“The securities industry had a strong start to 2011, but its prospects have cooled considerably for the second half of this year,” DiNapoli said. “It now seems likely that profits will fall sharply, job losses will continue, and bonuses will be smaller than last year. These developments will have a rippling effect through the economy and adversely impact State and City tax collections. As we know, when Wall Street slows, New York City and New York State’s budgets feel the impact and that is a concern.”

The comptroller’s office estimated profits won’t break $18 billion this year — even that figure is a third what they were in 2010. This has a multiplier effect on the state’s larger economy. Still, DiNapoli struck a somewhat optimistic tone.

“Excessive risk-taking on Wall Street was a major factor leading to the financial crisis and the recession,” DiNapoli said. “Regulatory changes that reduce risk and focus attention on long-term profitability rather than short-term gains will enhance stability. Despite the weaknesses we are seeing, the securities industry remains profitable and is a key component of the economies of New York City and New York State.”

This has a direct effect on NYS and NYC budgets, which means that key programs and spending priorities are likely to be under the gun once again.

Part of this is the fact that a given economic sector carries a lot of weight in the state budget (think cars for Detroit, steel for Pittsburgh, etc.) and which is why one needs a diversified economy to weather downdrafts in any one sector.

Note too that DiNapoli is calling for increased regulatory changes to reduce risk and focus on long-term profitability instead of churning (short term trading for gains).

396 Gus  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:52:08am

I must now sour Zombietime and Free Republic to find the most incriminating photo of OWS of the day!

Derp.

397 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:53:17am

re: #395 lawhawk

Why do you think they don’t realize that? I mean, are you talking about the exact number, or what?

398 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:54:02am

S&P rather blatantly called out the GOP for the main reason of the downgrade.
Funny that part gets ignored.
;)

399 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:55:10am

re: #397 Obdicut

I’m talking about those protesting that are calling for an end to Wall Street - I know it’s hard to discriminate between who is calling for reform, who’s calling for revolution at the protests (as per signs I’ve posted), but there does seem to be a disconnect between what the states and cities get from Wall Street and what people think goes on with Wall Street and where all that money goes (and what kind of taxes are involved).

400 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:00:29am

re: #399 lawhawk

Is there any surprise to that though?
Politicians spent years investigating what caused the collapse and not a damn thing gets done to rectify the lax regulations that led to it.
Those who most know how to potentially fix it haven’t done anything to do so or have been blocked by the GOP.
I’m pissed too.

401 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:02:01am

re: #399 lawhawk

There’s a very few people calling for an end to Wall Street, from what I observed. I’m not even sure what that actually would mean as a request. It’s not like Wall Street contains the only banks in the nation.

but there does seem to be a disconnect between what the states and cities get from Wall Street and what people think goes on with Wall Street and where all that money goes (and what kind of taxes are involved).

I’m really not sure what you mean. The state gets a portion of the profits Wall Street makes, sure. But what does that have to do with the complaint that, over the past decades, the rewards for the capital and management end of the labor/capital equation have increased, while the rewards for labor have stayed still? That is the most frequent and most coherent message I saw at OWS.

402 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:05:34am

re: #387 lostlakehiker

Proposals to double and redouble taxes…

Who proposed doubling taxes, then doubling them again? I don’t remember seeing that proposal.

403 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:06:46am

re: #402 makeitstop

Who proposed doubling taxes, then doubling them again? I don’t remember seeing that proposal.

Rep. Strawman (D - DERP) did.

404 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:07:38am

re: #403 Varek Raith

Rep. Strawman (D - DERP) did.

Oh. Him.

405 Gus  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:08:26am

MW pizza. It’s what’s for breakfast.

406 Gus  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:09:28am

re: #403 Varek Raith

Rep. Strawman (D - DERP) did.

Is he related to Sen. Strawman (D-DERP)?

407 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:09:51am

In the month’s most wince-producing assault, a Kansas man was stabbed in the scrotum with a hypodermic needle, which broke off inside the 39-year-old victim’s body.
thesmokinggun.com
heh.

408 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:10:59am

Good Morning from downtown LA

Back to the headline topic
Did anyone see the Danziger cartoon this AM? “GOP prayer circle”.

Maybe I should page it, but I’ll not copy the image. Click the link get a laugh or two.

409 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:12:04am

re: #406 Gus 802

Is he related to Sen. Strawman (D-DERP)?

Clone.

410 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:14:10am

re: #407 Cannadian Club Akbar

In the month’s most wince-producing assault, a Kansas man was stabbed in the scrotum with a hypodermic needle, which broke off inside the 39-year-old victim’s body.
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com…]
heh.

O_o
Yeah, I’m suddenly afraid of needles.

411 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:15:06am

re: #405 Gus 802

MW pizza. It’s what’s for breakfast.

Pizza is the best any meal of the day food.

412 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:15:27am

re: #410 Varek Raith

O_o
Yeah, I’m suddenly afraid of needles.

Needles aren’t the problem. Crazy women with needles are.

413 Gus  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:16:04am

re: #411 Varek Raith

Pizza is the best any meal of the day food.

Yeah. It’s basically an unrolled Italian “breakfast burrito.”

//

414 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:17:10am

re: #408 Rightwingconspirator

Good Morning from downtown LA

Back to the headline topic
Did anyone see the Danziger cartoon this AM? “GOP prayer circle”.

Maybe I should page it, but I’ll not copy the image. Click the link get a laugh or two.

That’s great!

Why can’t I be president, Good Lord! We’re in the end times! How much damage could I do?

…and many more!

415 Gus  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:17:18am

re: #410 Varek Raith

O_o
Yeah, I’m suddenly afraid of needles.

…

If the libruls didn’t promote needle exchanges and free needle giveaways these types of crimes wouldn’t happen!

416 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:18:15am

re: #412 Cannadian Club Akbar

Needles aren’t the problem. Crazy women with needles are.

A girl I knew in high school has been in and out of jail for beating the crap out of her boyfriends.
In my senior year the cops had to pepper spray her because she was, you guessed it, beating the crap out of someone. She then punched the cop who sprayed her.
She’s scary.

417 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:19:03am

re: #354 Rightwingconspirator

These guys should study gun sales next. One can argue the regulations have far more impact on lawful consumers than felons.

I dunno if the analogy bears out. DRMs are basically vehicles for the managament of the rights of use for instances of digital objects possessed by their purchasers (i.e. the customer who buys an Acme DVD), but they belong to their owners (Acme), not the government. DRMs are not so much about restriction of trade via regulation of trade but rather about restricting the rights of possessors in favor of “intellectual property” owners by giving the latter legal tools to micromanage the former.

418 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:20:20am

re: #416 Varek Raith

A girl I knew in high school has been in and out of jail for beating the crap out of her boyfriends.
In my senior year the cops had to pepper spray her because she was, you guessed it, beating the crap out of someone. She then punched the cop who sprayed her.
She’s scary.

I’ll bet she is a wildcat in the sack.
////

419 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:21:37am

re: #418 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’ll bet she is a wildcat in the sack.
///

Probably end up in the hospital.
It would’ve been so worth it.
She’s freaking hot.

420 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:21:50am

re: #418 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’ll bet she is a wildcat in the sack.
///

Or a leader of one of the OWS demonstrations!
//

421 Gus  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:24:33am

re: #416 Varek Raith

A girl I knew in high school has been in and out of jail for beating the crap out of her boyfriends.
In my senior year the cops had to pepper spray her because she was, you guessed it, beating the crap out of someone. She then punched the cop who sprayed her.
She’s scary.

Better not let Milty read that.

//

422 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:25:05am

re: #419 Varek Raith

Probably end up in the hospital.
It would’ve been so worth it.
She’s freaking hot.

A girl like that is only as good as the riding crop she uses on you. Wait, what?

423 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:27:03am

When superheros go bad:

VIDEO: `Superhero’ arrested, accused of assaulting several people

SEATTLE - Instead of the bad guys, it was Seattle’s most prolific self-styled superhero that ended up in handcuffs.

Police officers arrested the 23-year-old man who calls himself Phoenix Jones early Sunday after he was accused of assaulting several people with pepper spray. He was booked in county jail on four counts of assault, with arraignment set for Thursday, police said Monday.

…The often shaky video shows Jones and his sidekick, known as Ghost, running toward a group of people. Jones said there was a fight in the group. Police said there’s no indication there was a fight.

The footage goes on to show Jones breaking up the group. Then a woman screams at him, hitting him with her high-heel shoes.

…

424 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:31:03am

Three senior citizens had to be hospitalized Saturday after being served brownies they didn’t realized were laced with marijuana.

The victims, who are all in their 70s and 80s, were attending a funeral in Huntington Beach, Calif. During the service, they each partaked of the pot brownies, which were passed around on a tray according to KTLA.com.

Soon after, the trio were admitted to a local hospital after complaining of “nausea, dizziness, and inability to stand unassisted.”
huffingtonpost.com

Later, there was a fight over the last pudding cup.
///

425 Gus  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:31:10am

Rivers of ice: Vanishing glaciers

Stunning images from high in the Himalayas - showing the extent by which many glaciers have shrunk in the past 80 years or so - have gone on display at the Royal Geographical Society in central London.

Between 2007 and 2010, David Breashears retraced the steps of early photographic pioneers such as Major E O Wheeler, George Mallory and Vittorio Sella - to try to re-take their views of breathtaking glacial vistas.

Continues.

Watch, listen, to the video.

426 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:31:17am

re: #367 Obdicut

I’m just not sure how much OWS is waking people up to this. But the 99% meme is a good one. Maybe even accomplishing that much is something.

The amount of ‘end the fed’ nonsense there is still dispiriting me. People seem to be angry at the bailouts not having had any regulatory strings attached and for some reason think that the Fed is the cause of that, rather than just a mechanism. It’s kind of like protesting against the Iraq war by calling for an end the Pentagon.

Their biggest two gripes with the Fed seems to be that

a) “It is private and just posing as Federal government, it should be nationalized by Congress!” and
b) Central banking is evil because concentration of power huarrrrr!!!!!1

The answers to that of course are
a) Actually, the Fed is semi-private. Members of its Board of Governors, the central decision making body, are appointed by the President of the United States and confirmed by the Senate for staggered 14-year terms. The Chairman and Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors are appointed by the President from among the sitting Governors. They both serve a four year term and they can be renominated as many times as the President chooses, until their terms on the Board of Governors expire. (copypasted from Wikipedia, transparent enough). A national bank, btw, is something very different from a central bank. What’s strange to me is the cognitive dissonance: a national bank would be much more likely to create fiat money due to political games than a somewhat independent central bank.
b) Central banking is not really avoidable. “Free” or “wild banking” usually results in chaotic and abrupt emergence and decent of central banks out of business banks. It’s usually a rather chaotic monetary situation that neither banking sector, the rest of the economy, or the public fiscal policy makers turn out to be happy with.

427 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:31:37am

re: #423 NJDhockeyfan

the 23-year-old man who calls himself Phoenix Jones

Guess all the cool Super Hero names were already taken

428 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:35:00am

re: #424 Cannadian Club Akbar

“nausea, dizziness, and inability to stand unassisted.”

Sounds like you on any given night!

/

429 Gus  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:35:25am

Someone to follow on Twitter…

GlacierWorks
@GlacierWorks Boston, MA
GlacierWorks is a non-profit organization that uses art, science, and adventure to raise awareness about climate change in the Greater Himalayan Region.
glacierworks.org

430 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:37:24am

re: #428 sattv4u2


“nausea, dizziness, and inability to stand unassisted.”

Sounds like you on any given night!

/

You haven’t lived until you’ve woken up with a Meximelt stuck to your cheek.
///

431 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:38:50am

Later gators.

432 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:40:23am

This looks to be a fun race to watch…

Joe the Plumber running for Congress, possibly against Dennis Kucinich

I hope the debate is on TV. The jokes would be enormous.

433 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:40:28am

re: #430 Cannadian Club Akbar

You haven’t lived until you’ve woken up with a Meximelt stuck to your cheek.
///

Germans are fond of Nutella, a hazelnut butter/chocolate spread. The sort of thing that is dangerous to keep about. I would regularly attack it with a spoon and scrape the jars clean.

In fact, I stopped keeping it about the place the morning that I woke up after a party to find an empty Nutella jar, a spoon stuck into the bit of an electric drill and Nutella spalttered all about the floor, walls and ceiling of the apartment…

434 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:40:50am

re: #430 Cannadian Club Akbar

You haven’t lived until you’ve woken up with a Meximelt stuck to your cheek.
///

heh,,, Friend of mine used to like to go to Dennys after a hard nights drinking. He loved their “Pizza Omelet” (think a loaded omelet topped with a half pound of shredded cheese and tomato sauce)

Well, one night he was in there and fell asleep, face down on top of the omelet only to be woken up by two cops standing at his table

435 Gus  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:41:31am

I better get cracking here too. Later.

436 Stanley Sea  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:42:58am

re: #418 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’ll bet she is a wildcat in the sack.
///

That requires a cost/benefit analysis.

437 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:48:43am

re: #436 Stanley Sea

That requires a cost/benefit analysis.

We’re men

We only analyze the second part of that equation!!

WOMAN,,,, HOT ,,, DO !!!

438 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:48:46am

re: #433 ralphieboy

Germans are fond of Nutella, a hazelnut butter/chocolate spread. The sort of thing that is dangerous to keep about. I would regularly attack it with a spoon and scrape the jars clean.

In fact, I stopped keeping it about the place the morning that I woke up after a party to find an empty Nutella jar, a spoon stuck into the bit of an electric drill and Nutella spalttered all about the floor, walls and ceiling of the apartment…

I have a jar of that stuff at work. Doesn’t require refrigeration.

A bit overly sweet, but an occasional hit of the stuff on toast in the morning is quite nice.

439 Political Atheist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:51:51am

re: #417 000G

They appear to be folks that can sort out the factors quite well. I just thought it would be interesting to see their conclusions in a different circumstance.

440 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:54:07am

re: #437 sattv4u2

It’s the hot/crazy scale:

Youtube Video
441 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:58:04am

re: #438 oaktree

I have a jar of that stuff at work. Doesn’t require refrigeration.

it would never last long enough to see the inside of the fridge even if it did…

442 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:01:13am

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

This bit on CNN sounds ominous:

You know, I think I’ll pay that BoA bill I need to pay in the next week on Saturday (it’s not due till Monday) instead of Friday. Just as my own personal two finger salute to OWS.

Isn’t that special

443 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:02:33am

Ugh, another gop debate tonight.

444 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:02:51am

re: #443 Killgore Trout

Ugh, another gop debate tonight.

DRINKING THREAD!

445 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:04:31am

re: #444 thedopefishlives

DRINKING THREAD!

This is quickly becoming a problem. At this rate, half the LGF population will drink themselves into a coma (Or worse).

446 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:04:46am

re: #444 thedopefishlives

DRINKING THREAD!

GOP Prez candidate debates are conservative conspiracies to let liberals kill their own brain cells with alcohol games.

///

447 thedopefishlives  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:05:51am

re: #446 000G

GOP Prez candidate debates are conservative conspiracies to let liberals kill their own brain cells with alcohol games.

///

Not that it matters. The conservatives don’t have any brain cells to begin with, so… WINNING!

448 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:05:59am

Personally, I would rather have a betting pool on what embarassing boo/cheer moment from the live audience will stand out this time.

449 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:06:43am

re: #448 000G

Personally, I would rather have a betting pool on what embarassing boo/cheer moment from the live audience will stand out this time.

Yeah, the audience reactions make more news than the candidates.

450 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:07:29am

re: #443 Killgore Trout

Ugh, another gop debate tonight.

I want to hear more about how criminalizing abortion will be awesome.

It is really, really interesting that the GOP has mostly abandoned the foreign policy sphere. I mean, aside from reflexively opposing whatever Obama does, the GOP view on foreign policy is completely befuddled. Are they interventionist or non-interventionist these days? They frankly often seem less hawkish than Obama. Are other democracies vital allies, or should we spend our time rejecting them for being too socialist if they have health care for their citizens? Is free trade a good thing?

451 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:07:38am

Radical Lefties trying to disrupt congress.
Capitol Police Trying To Clear Out Senate Hart Building Atrium

Capitol Police are now trying to clear out the Senate Hart building’s atrium, TPM’s Ryan J. Reilly reports.

452 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:09:50am

re: #450 Obdicut

That and watching Cain and Perry being treated as this go-around’s piñata of choice.

453 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:10:00am

I know what to serve during tonight’s debate.
wtop.com

454 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:10:25am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

We’re going to protest Congress not doing enough by making it harder for them to work.

Yeah.

Without a strong, coherent message, the news story of the day on OWS is going to be what people perceive of them. And since they have a lot of confrontational people there, the news story is going to be about confrontation.

I’ve been having these fantasies where the Occupy Wall street thing still happens but everyone’s well-dressed and spends their time distributing literature about wage stagnation and how ripped off the middle and lower class is. Where they pool their money and rent a storefront near Wall Street and picket individual institutions with clear, direct allegations of wrongdoing.

It’s a nice fantasy.

455 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:10:35am
Herman Cain to Harry Belafonte: I Left the Plantation a Long Time Ago
Youtube Video
456 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:11:18am

re: #450 Obdicut

I want to hear more about how criminalizing abortion will be awesome.

It is really, really interesting that the GOP has mostly abandoned the foreign policy sphere. I mean, aside from reflexively opposing whatever Obama does, the GOP view on foreign policy is completely befuddled. Are they interventionist or non-interventionist these days? They frankly often seem less hawkish than Obama. Are other democracies vital allies, or should we spend our time rejecting them for being too socialist if they have health care for their citizens? Is free trade a good thing?

Well, GOP foreign policy seems to be swinging back to more of a traditional isolationist conservatism from the interventionist neoconservative views that mostly dominated the Bush years, whereas Obama is pursuing the fairly standard Democratic line of active foreign involvement.

457 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:13:02am

re: #456 Simply Sarah

Yeah, which really makes me confused as to why they also want a strong military. I mean, if you’re not going to be interventionist, then what’s the military for? No one is actually going to militarily threaten the US.

458 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:15:03am

re: #457 Obdicut

Yeah, which really makes me confused as to why they also want a strong military. I mean, if you’re not going to be interventionist, then what’s the military for? No one is actually going to militarily threaten the US.

We will only intervene to protect our sources of energy and raw materials. We will no longer intervene to support or protect democracies unelss they are selling us stuff we cannot live without.

459 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:15:14am

re: #457 Obdicut

Use the military to protect the border against illegals!

Ron Paul talking point

460 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:15:36am

re: #454 Obdicut

We’re going to protest Congress not doing enough by making it harder for them to work.

Yeah.

Without a strong, coherent message, the news story of the day on OWS is going to be what people perceive of them. And since they have a lot of confrontational people there, the news story is going to be about confrontation.

I’ve been having these fantasies where the Occupy Wall street thing still happens but everyone’s well-dressed and spends their time distributing literature about wage stagnation and how ripped off the middle and lower class is. Where they pool their money and rent a storefront near Wall Street and picket individual institutions with clear, direct allegations of wrongdoing.

It’s a nice fantasy.

I’m pretty sure there aren’t clear objectives for the movement for a reason. The protests themselves are the entire purpose and the goal is to keep them as active as possible.

461 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:16:11am

Here’s Okeefe’s latest stunt…
Occupy Wall Street Solicits Wall Street Banker

Youtube Video
462 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:16:39am

re: #457 Obdicut

Yeah, which really makes me confused as to why they also want a strong military. I mean, if you’re not going to be interventionist, then what’s the military for? No one is actually going to militarily threaten the US.

I believe the reasoning, at least on those that address it, is that this is only the case because we have a massive, strong, expensive military. If we don’t, Haiti could just walk in and talk over. Or something.

Also the fact that there are a lot of jobs involved in the military and everyone wants you to cut spending until it’s spending local to them.

463 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:17:24am

re: #448 000G

Personally, I would rather have a betting pool on what embarassing boo/cheer moment from the live audience will stand out this time.

Well, we’ve seen uninsured people, gay soldiers and executions.

Given the current media object of fixation, it’s bound to be OWS-related.

464 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:17:27am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

The purpose for Adbusters I do think is the protests in and of themselves; that seems to fit with Adbuster’s philosophy.

The purpose of the protests for the majority of the attendees, I think, is up in the air. It still might coalesce usefully. I doubt it, but it might.

465 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:18:05am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Radical Lefties trying to disrupt congress.
Capitol Police Trying To Clear Out Senate Hart Building Atrium

Straight out of the Tea Party handbook.
/

466 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:19:22am

re: #464 Obdicut

The purpose for Adbusters I do think is the protests in and of themselves; that seems to fit with Adbuster’s philosophy.

The purpose of the protests for the majority of the attendees, I think, is up in the air. It still might coalesce usefully. I doubt it, but it might.

I’m becoming increasingly pessimistic that much of anything good will come out of all this. Seems to becoming less focused, rather than more, along with inviting a lot of wacky stuff I cannot really support.

467 garhighway  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:24:50am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

I’m pretty sure there aren’t clear objectives for the movement for a reason. The protests themselves are the entire purpose and the goal is to keep them as active as possible.

This is what a bottom-up organic protest movement looks like. It is messy, it isn’t coherent (especially at first), and it is uncoordinated. That doesn’t make it sinister. If it ends up being dominated by flakes and crazies and Marxists, then it IS sinister and ought to be treated accordingly.

If, on the other hand, it had sprung from the minds of a couple of political operatives with access to lots of money, who could start it going with a relatively consistent message and brand, it would be astroturf and look like the Tea Party.

468 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:25:14am

re: #461 Killgore Trout

Here’s Okeefe’s latest stunt…
Occupy Wall Street Solicits Wall Street Banker

[Video]

Wow, O’Keefe has managed to find (or stage) something at OWS that will offend the sensibilities of his fan base. Like a blind squirrel finding an acorn in the midst of an oak forest in the fall!!!

469 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:27:46am

It is becoming increasingly clear that the GOP has little choice but to nominate Romney if it expects to have any chance of winning in 2012. Whether he is your cup of tea or not, he is the only current GOP presidential hopeful who seems reasonable enough for political independents to consider voting for. I know he has few friends on this board, but I’ll bet 70-80% of Lizards won’t vote against Obama in 2012 under any circumstances. But in the areas of the country where things are bad and getting worse, Romney looks like a man who can get things done. Lord knows, none of the other GOP hopefuls appear anywhere near as reasonable or as polished as Mitt. This is why some of the far right types have begun to attack him with more intensity. They see their own hopes slipping away and they see him as the one who will push the party back towards the middle. It will hurt him in the primaries, but if he emerges, it will help him in the general election.

470 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:32:30am

re: #469 _RememberTonyC

the primaries wil be a real litmus test of the degree to which the GOP base has gone full wingnut.

471 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:32:55am

re: #467 garhighway

This is what a bottom-up organic protest movement looks like. It is messy, it isn’t coherent (especially at first), and it is uncoordinated. That doesn’t make it sinister. If it ends up being dominated by flakes and crazies and Marxists, then it IS sinister and ought to be treated accordingly.

If, on the other hand, it had sprung from the minds of a couple of political operatives with access to lots of money, who could start it going with a relatively consistent message and brand, it would be astroturf and look like the Tea Party.

Just some random thoughts that jumped into my head:

For me, Marxist is a really fuzzy term that often is applied to or used to self-identify by all sorts of different people.

I see democratic socialists in a much different light than I see anarchists or violent revolutionaries, but I’ve seen the term Marxist be applied, correctly or not, to and by all of those groups. As such, I do sometimes wonder which groups people are referring to here when they use the term, since my agreement with them depends somewhat on who they are covering.

472 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:35:12am

re: #468 ralphieboy

Wow, O’Keefe has managed to find (or stage) something at OWS that will offend the sensibilities of his fan base. Like a blind squirrel finding an acorn in the midst of an oak forest in the fall!!!

It’s a pretty obvious angle for him. There’s a huge disconnect between the rhetoric and the reality of the protesters. Some of them are professional protesters but most of them have jobs, 401k’s, investments, houses and buy ipods, computers, cars, gadgets, trendy clothes, etc. Their over consuming lifestyle is the other half of the corporate greed problem.
Come think think of it there’s already a movement in place that would achieve their goals quite easily. Join the Amish. No fossil fuels, no pollution, grow your own organic food, if you want something you make it yourself. Very simple solution.

473 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:37:20am

re: #470 ralphieboy

the primaries wil be a real litmus test of the degree to which the GOP base has gone full wingnut.

that’s right …. but in NH, Romney is pretty solid. And that is an early opportunity for Romney to jump ahead, even if just briefly. The GOP voters in New England prefer moderates like the two senators from Maine and Brown in Massachusetts. The GOP voters in the northeast are not the bible thumpers that are predominant in some other regions.

474 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:40:57am

re: #469 _RememberTonyC

Here’s why I would not vote for Romney:

I am pro-life and believe that abortion should be limited to only instances of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.

I support the reversal of Roe v. Wade, because it is bad law and bad medicine. Roe was a misguided ruling that was a result of a small group of activist federal judges legislating from the bench.

I support the Hyde Amendment, which broadly bars the use of federal funds for abortions. And as president, I will support efforts to prohibit federal funding for any organization like Planned Parenthood, which primarily performs abortions or offers abortion-related services.

I will reinstate the Mexico City Policy to ensure that nongovernmental organizations that receive funding from America refrain from performing or promoting abortion services, as a method of family planning, in other countries. This includes ending American funding for any United Nations or other foreign assistance program that promotes or performs abortions on women around the world.

I will advocate for and support a Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act to protect unborn children who are capable of feeling pain from abortion.

And, yeah, he’s the most reasonable of the bunch [with the possible exception of Gary Johnson, if you count him among ‘the bunch’] on that issue.

Yes, I plan to vote for Obama in 2012.

475 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:41:02am

re: #472 Killgore Trout


Doublethink. The OWS protesters are at once bongo-playing smelly, unemployed hippies, trust-fund babies or hypocrites with stock portfolios. All depends on which angle you are bearing down on them with your rhetoric.

Tghey are at once an effite rabble and at the same time a threat to the very soul of America. Take your pick, we got 24/7 worth of air time to fill, you can all get your digs in…

476 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:42:12am

re: #469 _RememberTonyC

Romney has taken some very, very extreme positions of late, that makes me really, really worry about the damage the GOP would be able to do with him as president.

huffingtonpost.com

477 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:43:16am

re: #473 _RememberTonyC

that’s right … but in NH, Romney is pretty solid. And that is an early opportunity for Romney to jump ahead, even if just briefly. The GOP voters in New England prefer moderates like the two senators from Maine and Brown in Massachusetts. The GOP voters in the northeast are not the bible thumpers that are predominant in some other regions.

But by the same token, should he slip there (or only win by a few points) his campaign suddenly goes into critical condition. Aside from Michigan, there is no other early primary or caucus state where there is a significant number of moderates.

478 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:43:41am

re: #472 Killgore Trout

Come think think of it there’s already a movement in place that would achieve their goals quite easily. Join the Amish. No fossil fuels, no pollution, grow your own organic food, if you want something you make it yourself. Very simple solution.

Or maybe not.

479 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:43:55am

re: #476 Obdicut

Romney has taken some very, very extreme positions of late, that makes me really, really worry about the damage the GOP would be able to do with him as president.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

He’s not the Romney that ran here for governor not long ago, that’s for sure.

480 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:44:23am

re: #474 wrenchwench

Here’s why I would not vote for Romney:

“I am pro-life and believe that abortion should be limited to only instances of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.”

You would not vote for him because he would still allow abortion in the case of incest or rape or to save the life of the mother?

481 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:46:09am

I passed by a OWS rally at the side of the road here in Kona. Maybe 50 people, some with signs. It’s a common spot for side of road campaigning and gathering.

Most signs had some of the common slogans: ‘We are the 99%, 1% this and that’ etc.

Only two things I didn’t like.

One sign said ‘The 1% are the real terrorists.’ Another one was obviously a troofer.

I had an impulse to stop and ask who was in charge. Then point out that those two signs/people were causing me to dismiss the rest of the group and ‘the cause.’ But I realized nobody was in charge and there wasn’t any one ‘cause.’

So this is generally where I’m at with the whole thing.

482 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:47:03am

re: #241 ralphieboy

Now, God told them all to run, he knows that only one of them can win (and being omniscient and prescient, even knows who is going to win and by how many votes).

But still, there is no more convincing an argument that a candidate can bring than “Vote for me because I heard a voice in my head telling me to run!”

I think that within a certain set of Christian circles, ‘God wants me to’ is your way of saying that you’ve prayed over the matter, and believe you’re making a good decision. It’s an odd way of talking, to my mind, but there it is.

But these guys seem to take it to a strange new level.

483 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:47:23am

re: #477 bratwurst

But by the same token, should he slip there (or only win by a few points) his campaign suddenly goes into critical condition. Aside from Michigan, there is no other early primary or caucus state where there is a significant number of moderates.

no question …. but early success tends to confer an image of “winner” on whomever starts fast. And sometimes a couple of early wins will cause others to drop out of the race. And once that happens, things can move quickly as the “also rans” start looking to hitch themselves to the “strong horse.” That is why politics in the US is so interesting.

484 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:49:06am

re: #482 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that within a certain set of Christian circles, ‘God wants me to’ is your way of saying that you’ve prayed over the matter, and believe you’re making a good decision. It’s an odd way of talking, to my mind, but there it is.

But these guys seem to take it to a strange new level.

Cain makes it sound like God’s got him on speed dial and wouldn’t stop pestering him until he decided to run.

It’s not even been established that God even has a cell phone.
/

485 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:49:24am

re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, California had to use a bunch of the tobacco settlement money to cover lawsuits with the LAPD Rampart Division.

LAPD has a tumultuous and often inglorious history, but word is that they have gotten a lot better over the years.

486 garhighway  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:50:07am

re: #476 Obdicut

Romney has taken some very, very extreme positions of late, that makes me really, really worry about the damage the GOP would be able to do with him as president.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

Romney poses the usual problem, but in spades. That is, does he really believe the stuff he says while campaigning for the nomination, or is he simply saying what he must to get to the general election?

His flips between when he was Governor of Mass and now are so extreme that they fairly call into question whether the man has any core beliefs at all beyond that he really, really wants to be President.

I get that American national politics is a cynical game. We have come to expect this pattern of playing to the extremists in the primaries and tacking back to the middle for the general election. But Romney has gone way beyond anything we have seen before, and I think it is fair to question his lack of core beliefs, and to ask whether that is a disqualifying trait.

487 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:50:58am

re: #479 Simply Sarah

He’s not the Romney that ran here for governor not long ago, that’s for sure.

I think he is somewhere between the “old” Romney and the “new” Romney. As is the case with so many politicians and candidates, they can be chamelion-like as they hunt for votes. But in Mitt’s case, I see someone more reasonable and grounded in reality than I see in the tea party favorites. I’ll bet when President Obama confers with his closest advisors, they agree that running against Romney will be a much bigger challenge than running against the other GOP “stars.”

488 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:51:04am

re: #480 ralphieboy

You would not vote for him because he would still allow abortion in the case of incest or rape or to save the life of the mother?

No, that’s the part that makes him the most reasonable of the bunch.

RTWT.

489 garhighway  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:51:15am

re: #483 _RememberTonyC

no question … but early success tends to confer an image of “winner” on whomever starts fast. And sometimes a couple of early wins will cause others to drop out of the race. And once that happens, things can move quickly as the “also rans” start looking to hitch themselves to the “strong horse.” That is why politics in the US is so interesting.

And that is why Howard Dean is President.

490 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:52:40am

re: #486 garhighway

Romney poses the usual problem, but in spades. That is, does he really believe the stuff he says while campaigning for the nomination, or is he simply saying what he must to get to the general election?

His flips between when he was Governor of Mass and now are so extreme that they fairly call into question whether the man has any core beliefs at all beyond that he really, really wants to be President.

I get that American national politics is a cynical game. We have come to expect this pattern of playing to the extremists in the primaries and tacking back to the middle for the general election. But Romney has gone way beyond anything we have seen before, and I think it is fair to question his lack of core beliefs, and to ask whether that is a disqualifying trait.

At this point, I honestly care less about what he actually believes than I do about what he’d actually do if given the chance. Any radical actions he might take would be the same regardless of if he does them because he believes in them or for political reasons. As such, I trust him about as far as I can throw him and I couldn’t even lift the guy.

491 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:53:21am

re: #486 garhighway

But Romney has gone way beyond anything we have seen before, and I think it is fair to question his lack of core beliefs, and to ask whether that is a disqualifying trait.

That will be his undoing. I knew a lot of people who voted for Bush II not because they believed in everything he stood for, but they found him sincere and convinced in his beliefs, someting that neither of his opponents was able to bring across.

492 Claire  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:53:52am

The Presidency. I don’t know how any sane person could want the job.

493 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:53:59am

re: #489 garhighway

And that is why Howard Dean is President.

Howard Dean melted down on his own …. he effectively defeated himself.

494 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:54:09am

Georgia Considers Replacing Firefighters With Free Prison Laborers

I can see no negative repercussions to that course of action.

495 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:55:14am

re: #494 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Georgia Considers Replacing Firefighters With Free Prison Laborers

I can see no negative repercussions to that course of action.

What could possibly go wrong?
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496 Four More Tears  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:56:23am

re: #494 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Georgia Considers Replacing Firefighters With Free Prison Laborers

I can see no negative repercussions to that course of action.

GENIUS!

497 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:56:38am

re: #494 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Georgia Considers Replacing Firefighters With Free Prison Laborers

I can see no negative repercussions to that course of action.

Great way to get firefighters killed.

498 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:56:47am

re: #494 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Georgia Considers Replacing Firefighters With Free Prison Laborers

I can see no negative repercussions to that course of action.

Now, now. Clearly this is exactly the situation they were thinking about when they included that exception in the 13th Amendment.

499 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:58:00am

re: #494 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Georgia Considers Replacing Firefighters With Free Prison Laborers

I can see no negative repercussions to that course of action.

There is an underlying thought behind this, namely that labor is just another commodity product that one simply tries to economize on with regard to price.

The people behind the initiative seem to have little clue about the motivation that goes along with choosing a dangerous branch of public service, they just want to replace fresh eggs with powdered eggs and hope nobody notices the difference…

500 Four More Tears  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 9:59:44am

re: #499 ralphieboy

There is an underlying thought behind this, namely that labor is just another commodity product that one simply tries to economize on with regard to price.

The people behind the initiative seem to have little clue about the motivation that goes along with choosing a dangerous branch of public service, they just want to replace fresh eggs with powdered eggs and hope nobody notices the difference…

Oh, the money they’re going to spend on lawsuits will make this a short-lived experiment, if it even gets off the ground at all.

501 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:00:13am

Hank Williams Jr. just doesn’t know when to leave it alone.

Dumb SOB.

502 garhighway  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:00:21am

re: #493 _RememberTonyC

Howard Dean melted down on his own … he effectively defeated himself.

No doubt. But he was the front runner with momentum immediately prior. Seemingly smart people can self-destruct with no warning. (Remember Ed Muskie?)

Hilary won NH, too, and look what it got her. Secretary of State.

My point is that it is way too soon to do these sorts of analyses. I know that the temptation is powerful, but it leads to over-interpretation of a very scanty data set.

503 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:00:44am

re: #357 Naso Tang

That is not admirable nor funny. It is tantamount to trying to force an abortion at 39 weeks. She should be charged with child endangerment.

At thirty-nine weeks, I think you would have to call that ‘inducing labor’.

504 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:00:46am

re: #497 Obdicut

Great way to get firefighters killed.

Hey, if any of them get killed, the state saves money on the prison costs. Its win-win.

/

505 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:00:59am

re: #476 Obdicut

Romney has taken some very, very extreme positions of late, that makes me really, really worry about the damage the GOP would be able to do with him as president.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

There are some very good points in that piece. As I said, few on this board have any use for any Republicans. And the people on this board are FAR more politically knowledgable than the typical voter. But Lizard Nation does not reflect the views of all voters. And I’m willing to bet the average Lizard is doing better than the average American citizen, even in these challenging times. So nobody should assume that Romney’s negatives are as well known in the heartland as they are on this board.

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:01:42am

re: #362 Alouette

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Sarah Palin continue to campaign and deliver speeches several hours after the onset of labor?

I thought she was just in a meeting, and then caught a plane home to give birth.

And the baby graciously did not decide he needed to be born on the plane.

507 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:03:02am

re: #501 makeitstop

Hank Williams Jr. just doesn’t know when to leave it alone.

Dumb SOB.

Wait, he’s actually blaming Fox and Friends? Seriously? Are you sure this isn’t a followup on the SNL skit this weekend? “It’s your fault for letting me talk and make a fool of myself!”

508 garhighway  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:03:05am

re: #505 _RememberTonyC

There are some very good points in that piece. As I said, few on this board have any use for any Republicans. And the people on this board are FAR more politically knowledgable than the typical voter. But Lizard Nation does not reflect the views of all voters. And I’m willing to bet the average Lizard is doing better than the average American citizen, even in these challenging times. So nobody should assume that Romney’s negatives are as well known in the heartland as they are on this board.

Fair enough. And I would think strongly about voting for Massachusetts Mitt, if he still existed. But sadly, he is trapped in some alternative universe, watching this automaton walking around in his body.

509 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:03:12am

re: #502 garhighway

No doubt. But he was the front runner with momentum immediately prior. Seemingly smart people can self-destruct with no warning. (Remember Ed Muskie?)

Hilary won NH, too, and look what it got her. Secretary of State.

My point is that it is way too soon to do these sorts of analyses. I know that the temptation is powerful, but it leads to over-interpretation of a very scanty data set.

Yes …. but I can see far into the future with amazing clarity and accuracy :)

510 funky chicken  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:03:18am

Dear Herman,

That was David Koch.

Yours truly,
Funky Chicken

511 garhighway  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:03:59am

re: #509 _RememberTonyC

Yes … but I can see far into the future with amazing clarity and accuracy :)

5th race at Belmont tomorrow?

512 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:05:44am

re: #511 garhighway

5th race at Belmont tomorrow?

Take “A-Rod the Choker” at even money

513 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:06:01am

re: #505 _RememberTonyC

Oh, I think Romney stands a good chance of becoming president.

I’m not sanguine in the least. The craziness that’s infected the country is pretty epic.

514 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:06:30am

re: #508 garhighway

Fair enough. And I would think strongly about voting for Massachusetts Mitt, if he still existed. But sadly, he is trapped in some alternative universe, watching this automaton walking around in his body.

Only if you’re talking about him before he decided he was going to run for President. After that, he started going off the rails some. And yes, I’m still pissed about how he basically went around and badmouthed the Commonwealth as being some sort of evil liberal mess he barely could keep together while he was still governor here.

515 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:07:10am

re: #507 Simply Sarah

Wait, he’s actually blaming Fox and Friends? Seriously? Are you sure this isn’t a followup on the SNL skit this weekend? “It’s your fault for letting me talk and make a fool of myself!”

I am also puzzled as to when being able to keep your job no matter what you say became an element of free speech.

I myself was recently fired for asking for a raise…I guess I should be in an uproar over my first amendment rights being violated too!

516 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:07:35am

re: #513 Obdicut

Oh, I think Romney stands a good chance of becoming president.

I’m not sanguine in the least. The craziness that’s infected the country is pretty epic.

Sad, but I’m mostly of the same mindset. Scares the hell out of me, especially if the GOP also wins both houses of Congress.

517 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:07:48am

re: #514 Simply Sarah

Only if you’re talking about him before he decided he was going to run for President. After that, he started going off the rails some. And yes, I’m still pissed about how he basically went around and badmouthed the Commonwealth as being some sort of evil liberal mess he barely could keep together while he was still governor here.

LOL …. I grew up in Brockton and that place is a mess!

518 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:08:37am

Gotta run folks …… have a good one

519 garhighway  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:09:07am

re: #516 Simply Sarah

Scares the hell out of me, especially if the GOP also wins both houses of Congress.

Agree. The extremists in the GOP roll right over a Prez Romney.

520 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:09:14am

re: #517 _RememberTonyC

LOL … I grew up in Brockton and that place is a mess!

Sure, parts are! But as a whole, we’re in pretty good shape compared to the rest of the country!

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:09:20am

re: #497 Obdicut

Great way to get firefighters killed.

The firefighters won’t get killed. They’ll be at home, watching TV, having been replaced with free prison laborers. Who are getting killed.

522 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:10:26am

re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist

The firefighters won’t get killed. They’ll be at home, watching TV collecting unemployment, having been replaced with free prison laborers. Who are getting killed escaping in the confusion of a raging fire.

523 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:11:04am

re: #519 garhighway

Agree. The extremists in the GOP roll right over a Prez Romney.

And I do admit I may, as my brother and parents were saying to me over the weekend, be overreacting a bit about what would actually come out of that situation, but seeing what has happened in the states where the GOP controls everything, I’m not so sure I am.

524 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:12:06am

re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist

The firefighters won’t get killed. They’ll be at home, watching TV, having been replaced with free prison laborers. Who are getting killed.

No, the actual plan is to have a couple of them on each firefighting team. So you’ll have undertrained, panicky dudes who are only there to get out of prison quicker, and firefighters depending on them. There’s no role they can have that’s helpful that isn’t also possibly harmful if they fuck it up.

I don’t like any form of prison labor, but this is the stupidest idea yet.

525 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:13:35am

re: #524 Obdicut

No, the actual plan is to have a couple of them on each firefighting team. So you’ll have undertrained, panicky dudes who are only there to get out of prison quicker, and firefighters depending on them. There’s no role they can have that’s helpful that isn’t also possibly harmful if they fuck it up.

I don’t like any form of prison labor, but this is the stupidest idea yet.

That brings up another question, too. How much will it cost to train these “free workers”? And how high will turnover be?

526 garhighway  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:13:51am

re: #523 Simply Sarah

And I do admit I may, as my brother and parents were saying to me over the weekend, be overreacting a bit about what would actually come out of that situation, but seeing what has happened in the states where the GOP controls everything, I’m not so sure I am.

I think you understand the situation perfectly. I see no reason to distinguish between those statehouses and Congress. It is exactly the same agenda. Even in Congress, the GOP prattles on about Planned Parenthood, voter fraud, Acorn and the like. If they have the votes, they’ll do immeasurable damage. It will be wall to wall crazy right wing shit for two years.

527 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:13:51am

I’m on the local Democrats’ email list. Before they figured out how to blind cc everyone, I got added to the list of a guy who forwards ANSWER emails. The Dems sent one about a Teach In on Occupy Wall Street next week. I’m tempted to go to see whether the ANSWER guy is doing any of the teaching, and to object if he is. Not object to him doing the teaching, but to object to WHAT he is teaching.

528 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:14:35am

re: #524 Obdicut

No, the actual plan is to have a couple of them on each firefighting team. So you’ll have undertrained, panicky dudes who are only there to get out of prison quicker, and firefighters depending on them. There’s no role they can have that’s helpful that isn’t also possibly harmful if they fuck it up.

I don’t like any form of prison labor, but this is the stupidest idea yet.

Prison labor should be constrained to supporting the upkeep and conditions of the prison itself, not a conscripted labor force for any thing a politician decides to throw manpower at.

529 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:15:54am

re: #525 Simply Sarah

That brings up another question, too. How much will it cost to train these “free workers”? And how high will turnover be?

Will they have to pay union dues?

530 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:16:02am

Breaking: Chris Christie to endorse Mitt Romney today!

531 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:17:01am

re: #528 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Prison labor should be constrained to supporting the upkeep and conditions of the prison itself, not a conscripted labor force for any thing a politician decides to throw manpower at.

Like picking vegetables after the usual pickers are scared away.

532 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:17:10am

re: #528 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Prison labor should be constrained to supporting the upkeep and conditions of the prison itself, not a conscripted labor force for any thing a politician decides to throw manpower at.

I think I can mostly agree with this. Helping with upkeep seems like it could be helpful for the prisoners, since it might teach them some useful skills (Or not) and maybe give them some pride/responsibility in at least some sort of community.

533 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:18:34am

re: #507 Simply Sarah

Wait, he’s actually blaming Fox and Friends? Seriously? Are you sure this isn’t a followup on the SNL skit this weekend? “It’s your fault for letting me talk and make a fool of myself!”

The dude is, put simply, not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I’m guessing ESPN only gave him a time-out last week by not running his intro to MNF. They may be reconsidering that decision right now.

You’d think his management would at least try to tell him to STFU.

534 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:19:13am

re: #533 makeitstop

The dude is, put simply, not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I’m guessing ESPN only gave him a time-out last week by not running his intro to MNF. They may be reconsidering that decision right now.

You’d think his management would at least try to tell him to STFU.

I think the problem is that he’s actually a spork.

535 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:19:56am

re: #534 Simply Sarah

I think the problem is that he’s actually a spork.

Thank you for the laugh. I needed that today.

536 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:20:14am

re: #524 Obdicut

No, the actual plan is to have a couple of them on each firefighting team. So you’ll have undertrained, panicky dudes who are only there to get out of prison quicker, and firefighters depending on them. There’s no role they can have that’s helpful that isn’t also possibly harmful if they fuck it up.

I don’t like any form of prison labor, but this is the stupidest idea yet.

All I can think about is the opportunity for escape that presents when they are all suited up in the firefighting gear.

537 garhighway  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:21:31am

re: #536 Alouette

All I can think about is the opportunity for escape that presents when they are all suited up in the firefighting gear.

They run into the burning house through the front door and out the back door, never even slowing down. See ya!

538 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:21:59am

re: #527 wrenchwench

Before they figured out how to blind cc everyone

Critical skill in modern life.

539 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:22:26am

re: #536 Alouette

All I can think about is the opportunity for escape that presents when they are all suited up in the firefighting gear.

I’d have to assume, or at least hope, that this type of plan would be restricted to low-risk, non-violent offenders where trying to escape would likely result in much worse than what they are in prison for already. But that’s probably trying to be rational about something that is, at its core, probably an irrational idea.

540 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:23:30am

Perry should have renounced that Jeffress dude when he had the chance.

Conservatives Slam Rick Perry For Failure To Rebuke ‘Moron’ Pastor Who Called Mormonism ‘A Cult’

Surprisingly, Romney hasn’t taken a position on the controversy.
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541 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:24:04am

re: #532 Simply Sarah

I think I can mostly agree with this. Helping with upkeep seems like it could be helpful for the prisoners, since it might teach them some useful skills (Or not) and maybe give them some pride/responsibility in at least some sort of community.

Things like the Prison Laundry, mess hall, maybe farming for their own food, trade skills they can use when they get out.

Not chain gangs fighting fires or working for independent companies to line some one else’s pocket

542 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:24:17am

re: #535 makeitstop

Thank you for the laugh. I needed that today.

You’re quite welcome! Always glad to be of service when my broken hands happen to line up correctly.

543 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:25:38am

re: #541 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Things like the Prison Laundry, mess hall, maybe farming for their own food, trade skills they can use when they get out.

Not chain gangs fighting fires or working for independent companies to line some one else’s pocket

Unless said companies are going to offer them jobs once they get out of prison. That I could probably get behind, if done right.

544 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:26:12am

re: #539 Simply Sarah

I’m actually for prison labor in a few cases. One being where they’re paid the same amount of money that an ordinary worker would be for that job. The other being them paid less, but in apprenticeship programs for vocational jobs. We need more skilled tradesmen, and having a skilled trade would be an incredible disincentive to recidivism.

But that’s about as creative as I want to get.

545 Kragar  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:26:53am

You know, when someone asks you to drop everything to check on a problem because they’re seeing it “all over the place”, you kind of expect to see it on more than .00002% of the items in question.

546 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:26:58am

Ryan J. Reilly tweeting on the moonbats trying to take over the Senate Hart Office Building:

ryanjreilly Ryan J. Reilly
Banner outside Senate Hart building: “Cut war, fund jobs.” yfrog.com/oe3xafoj
6 minutes ago

ryanjreilly Ryan J. Reilly
Protestors now gathered outside of the Senate Hart building, chanting “cut war, fund jobs.”
14 minutes ago

ryanjreilly Ryan J. Reilly
RT @TPM: Anti-war protestors storm Senate Hart office building tpm.ly/pdVQtv
26 minutes ago

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Senate Hart atrium has reopened to staff #occupydc
1 hour ago

ryanjreilly Ryan J. Reilly
Protestor being carried away: “I would have gone on a diet if I knew this was going to happen.” #occupydc yfrog.com/nw6y0hj
1 hour ago

ryanjreilly Ryan J. Reilly
Capitol Police now attempting to clear the entire Senate Hart building. #occupydc yfrog.com/nt4r6vj
1 hour ago

ryanjreilly Ryan J. Reilly
Capitol police now trying to clear out Hart atrium during #occupydc protest. Where’s @ChadPergram when you need him.
1 hour ago

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Overheard Capitol Police officer talking about sending out instructions to have staffers stay in offices #occupydc
1 hour ago

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We’ve got our first arrest in Senate Hart building, says his name is Art Brennan. #occupydc yfrog.com/meuoruj
1 hour ago

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Cheers so far: “power to the people,” “end war now,” “we will not be ignored.”
1 hour ago

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Capitol officers have warned this guy about his sign, he keeps moving around. #occupydc yfrog.com/h7ihvkbj
1 hour ago

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@
@SuzyKhimm both, they’ve sort of mixed. Talked specifically to people who came for occupy.
1 hour ago

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yfrog.com/odouzrj
1 hour ago

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This officer is the proud new owner of a pink anti-war banner. #occupydc yfrog.com/h7lprbpij
1 hour ago

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“Banner on the east side,” says police radio #occupydc yfrog.com/kg2uhwoj
1 hour ago

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“Where’s my hood?” #occupydc protestor changes into Gitmo outfit in Hart building. yfrog.com/kg4syzaj
1 hour ago

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Staffers in Sen. Mike Lee’s office have locked their doors and have an officer placed inside. #occupydc
2 hours ago

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Capitol Police in place for planned #occupydc protest in Hart building instagr.am/p/P0tn5/
2 hours ago

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#occupydc protestors are purposefully not “marching” to the Cap, but instead heading over in small groups.

547 Simply Sarah  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:31:19am

re: #544 Obdicut

I’m actually for prison labor in a few cases. One being where they’re paid the same amount of money that an ordinary worker would be for that job. The other being them paid less, but in apprenticeship programs for vocational jobs. We need more skilled tradesmen, and having a skilled trade would be an incredible disincentive to recidivism.

But that’s about as creative as I want to get.

Fair enough. I think we probably have fairly similar views on this, just that I hadn’t done a lot of thinking about the concept prior to, uh, a few minutes ago.

548 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:34:57am

New photos from Zuccotti Park are now up, and a few from Wall Street itself, which was a bit of an adventure given how the NYPD has added still more barricades to limit access and thwart protesters from gaining access to the area. That means no access to the steps of Federal Hall (where George Washington took the first oath of office as President of the US) and one has to use the rear entrance to access the building.

549 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:38:34am

re: #548 lawhawk

New photos from Zuccotti Park are now up, and a few from Wall Street itself, which was a bit of an adventure given how the NYPD has added still more barricades to limit access and thwart protesters from gaining access to the area. That means no access to the steps of Federal Hall (where George Washington took the first oath of office as President of the US) and one has to use the rear entrance to access the building.

Johnson & Johnson Suspected in Attempted Murder

LOL!

550 Claire  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:46:16am

re: #544 Obdicut

I’m actually for prison labor in a few cases. One being where they’re paid the same amount of money that an ordinary worker would be for that job. The other being them paid less, but in apprenticeship programs for vocational jobs. We need more skilled tradesmen, and having a skilled trade would be an incredible disincentive to recidivism.

But that’s about as creative as I want to get.

We hired an Indian kid who was in prison for DUI- he killed a guy. In prison he learned woodworking for like 30 cents an hour or whatever. They had them make Oak judicial benches and desks for government offices and the like. It was voluntary, but the guys jumped for it to stay busy. When he got out he hit the street looking for work. Walked in our shop with a nice portfolio of pictures of the work he had done. His parole officer visited us later to offer us a program that the state would subsidize part of his pay if we hired him. We hired him and never even applied for the subsidy. He turned out to be one of the best hires we’ve ever made. Great guy. Great woodworker.

Not saying all situations would work out this well, but they do have these programs in prisons.

551 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:50:50am

re: #540 makeitstop

Perry should have renounced that Jeffress dude when he had the chance.

Conservatives Slam Rick Perry For Failure To Rebuke ‘Moron’ Pastor Who Called Mormonism ‘A Cult’

Surprisingly, Romney hasn’t taken a position on the controversy.
///

He even sorta did, stating that the GOP should not let questions of religion divide it.

552 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:49:52am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Radical Lefties trying to disrupt congress.
Capitol Police Trying To Clear Out Senate Hart Building Atrium

I hope they got a few bugs on the phones before they were ejected.

553 lostlakehiker  Tue, Oct 11, 2011 4:00:12pm

re: #394 Obdicut

The downgrade didn’t happen because of ‘real and grave problems’, it happened because of the stonewalling of the GOP, especially in their complete refusal to raise taxes as necessary to address the debt.

Oh boy. Who, please, proposed tripling spending? And confidence in treasuries is doing just fine; that’s the irony. The interest rates on treasuries are incredibly low and we’re still having no trouble selling them. That’s what makes what the GOP did especially moronic; they’re trying to prevent us from borrowing money during a time period where borrowing is amazingly cheap.

Oh yeah? Go ahead and make that case.

It was hyperbole. Spending was set to increase by more than taxes were hoped to increase, and every increase in tax rates yields less of an increase in revenue than the CBO must project, because by law the CBO uses static scoring.

Also, actual spending always outpaces budgeted spending. Often by wide margins. Costs escalate.

Since the picture with respect to the soundness of the dollar and the prospects of default are inversely correlated, it’s hard to prove that an outright, de jure default becomes more likely with runaway spending. Perhaps what would happen would be that the debt would be monetized via a very sharp dose of inflation.

But if one assumes inflation rates are not goosed, but stay around 2 percent, (assuming that’s where they are now), then the debt is unmanageable without some sort of spending reform to go with tax increases. Any number of analyses have shown that the sum needed to pay all current and anticipated benefits outstrips the currently projected revenue by tens of trillions. Nobody can afford to get 5 or 10 years’ worth of yearly income in debt, especially if they’re in the habit of almost always spending more than they make, not even counting debt service.

The case that the president’s budget was feasible is one that no one seems to have even bothered to attempt. The math doesn’t begin to work. You’d have to have sustained rapid increases in real GDP to bring it off, and even then some of your costs would go up faster than expected because so many expenditures are pegged to prevailing wages.

If we had sustained, rapid increases in real GDP, and we kept tax rates where they are so that pretty much everybody found themselves in the 38 percent marginal tax bracket, maybe that would allow for a free-spending, fast-rail, etc. budget.

We cannot budget on the assumption of almost unheard of rates of growth in the near future.

554 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Oct 13, 2011 2:43:50am

re: #553 lostlakehiker

It was hyperbole.

Want people to start taking you seriously? Stay away from hyperbole when you’re trying to make a serious point.

Any number of analyses have shown that the sum needed to pay all current and anticipated benefits outstrips the currently projected revenue by tens of trillions.

I love this because it doesn’t contain any reference to how many years those trillions are accumulated. Why not just say quadrillions?

Nobody can afford to get 5 or 10 years’ worth of yearly income in debt, especially if they’re in the habit of almost always spending more than they make, not even counting debt service.

Government debt and personal debt bear almost no relation; analogies using that comparison are idiotic.

The case that the president’s budget was feasible is one that no one seems to have even bothered to attempt. The math doesn’t begin to work. You’d have to have sustained rapid increases in real GDP to bring it off, and even then some of your costs would go up faster than expected because so many expenditures are pegged to prevailing wages.

We’re in a recession. The budget was for us in a recession.


The way for us to get out of debt and fix the economy is by slowing spending during the boom times, NOT during a recession.


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