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We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.
— Kurt Vonnegut
253 comments
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Dec 25, 2011 10:11:47pm |
Goodnight lizards. Tomorrow begins a new day.
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Alexzander Sun, Dec 25, 2011 11:42:56pm |
I'm glad to see the slow commenting; it suggests everyone is with family.
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Alexzander Mon, Dec 26, 2011 1:46:43am |
re: #4 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Actually, I'm not either.
Just woke up from an awful nightmare too.
I've been watching too much Lynch.
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Targetpractice Mon, Dec 26, 2011 3:24:09am |
*Ringing bell* Bring out yer dead! Bring out yer dead!
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 26, 2011 3:42:37am |
re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
*Ringing bell* Bring out yer dead! Bring out yer dead!
Where do I park?
Image: Emma_Maersk_Goteborg.jpg
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Targetpractice Mon, Dec 26, 2011 3:44:20am |
re: #8 Varek Raith
Where do I park?
Image: Emma_Maersk_Goteborg.jpg
'round the corner, but be careful, it might be a tight fit.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 26, 2011 4:02:10am |
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 4:05:18am |
re: #11 Varek Raith
Are you not ready for xmas to be over? Yesterday might have been the most fun I've had on xmas since I was a kid although I'm sorry to report the helicopter I got didn't make it through the evening. Once the dogs realized the blades didn't hurt that much when they were spinning it was all over.
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Targetpractice Mon, Dec 26, 2011 4:05:40am |
I think I'm actually starting to succumb to political withdrawal. Without any real controversies lately, I've had nothing to butt heads with wingnuts about. I'm startin' to get the shakes over here.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 26, 2011 4:06:48am |
re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I think I'm actually starting to succumb to political withdrawal. Without any real controversies lately, I've had nothing to butt heads with wingnuts about. I'm startin' to get the shakes over here.
We totally should switch to the gold standard.
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Targetpractice Mon, Dec 26, 2011 4:07:41am |
re: #14 Varek Raith
We totally should switch to the gold standard.
Sounds grand. Hold still now, these straight jackets can be hard to fasten properly.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 26, 2011 4:08:24am |
re: #15 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Sounds grand. Hold still now, these straight jackets can be hard to fasten properly.
I figured you were an alien lizard.
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Targetpractice Mon, Dec 26, 2011 4:09:54am |
re: #16 Varek Raith
I figured you were an alien lizard.
What gave me away? Did I get caught eating a rat again? Damnit, I knew I should have waited til lunch.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 26, 2011 4:10:37am |
re: #17 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
What gave me away? Did I get caught eating a rat again? Damnit, I knew I should have waited til lunch.
I get your intergalactic transmissions in my teeth.
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Targetpractice Mon, Dec 26, 2011 4:11:47am |
re: #18 Varek Raith
I get your intergalactic transmissions in my teeth.
Oh cool, what's the over/under on Paul in Iowa?
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 26, 2011 4:13:55am |
re: #19 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Oh cool, what's the over/under on Paul in Iowa?
Ron Paul.
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Targetpractice Mon, Dec 26, 2011 4:15:36am |
re: #20 Varek Raith
Ron Paul.
He is to be Glorious Leader! He shall lead us to new Golden Age! Hail Paul!
///
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rwdflynavy Mon, Dec 26, 2011 5:14:14am |
re: #14 Varek Raith
We totally should switch to the gold standard.
I thin we should switch to the Tungsten standard because it is fun to say.
Also,
Good Morning Honcos!!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Dec 26, 2011 5:36:42am |
re: #14 Varek Raith
We totally should switch to the gold standard.
Why? Dwemer metal will work just fine.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 26, 2011 5:51:52am |
re: #23 Sergey Romanov
Why? Dwemer metal will work just fine.
"I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. Plastic."
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Flounder Mon, Dec 26, 2011 6:00:28am |
re: #3 Alexzander
No, they are hitting the after Christmas sales
/
Good morning, a belated Merry Christmas!
Those little R/C Helicopters are pretty awesome!
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 6:13:24am |
re: #25 Shropshire_Slasher
No, they are hitting the after Christmas sales
/
Good morning, a belated Merry Christmas!
Those little R/C Helicopters are pretty awesome!
I know I got more than my $30 worth of fun out of it in one afternoon. If I can't fix the one I have I'm definitely buying another and using this one for parts.
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Flounder Mon, Dec 26, 2011 6:18:58am |
The upstanding fine law-abiding citizens that occupied Albany NY are not happy being kicked out, so they showed 'em:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
More like kids having a temper tantrum.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 6:20:35am |
Iran: Killing your husband gets you a 10 year prison sentence but a conviction for sleeping with your neighbor gets you stoned to death:
Iranian Woman to Face Death by Stoning or Hanging
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
Authorities in Iran said Sunday they are again moving ahead with plans to execute a woman sentenced to death by stoning on an adultery conviction in a case that sparked an international outcry, but are considering whether to carry out the punishment by hanging instead.
Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani is already behind bars, serving a 10-year sentence on a separate conviction in the murder of her husband. Amid the international outrage her case generated, Iran in July 2010 suspended plans to carry out her death sentence on the adultery conviction.
On Sunday, a senior judiciary official said experts were studying whether the punishment of stoning could be changed to hanging.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 7:11:46am |
Mornin' everyone...it looks like those damn gingerbread men are still on the table.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Dec 26, 2011 7:14:51am |
I changed my avatar picture. Yesterday was my dad's birthday, he would have been 93 years old yesterday. This is a picture of my dad and my grandma, when he was a baby, born just after my grandpa passed away in the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 7:30:02am |
re: #30 Alouette
I changed my avatar picture. Yesterday was my dad's birthday, he would have been 93 years old yesterday. This is a picture of my dad and my grandma, when he was a baby, born just after my grandpa passed away in the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918.
Lovely photo!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 7:34:32am |
re: #30 Alouette
I changed my avatar picture. Yesterday was my dad's birthday, he would have been 93 years old yesterday. This is a picture of my dad and my grandma, when he was a baby, born just after my grandpa passed away in the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918.
Going through my moms stuff I've found a treasure trove of photos similar to that
What struck me is that the look on the childs faces and the outfit is virtually the same in every single one (including yours)
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 7:37:20am |
re: #31 reine.de.tout
SUGGESTION,.,,,,,, give the puppy some food!! Maybe he'll stop eating the furniture!!!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 7:39:45am |
re: #29 darthstar
Mornin' everyone...it looks like those damn gingerbread men are still on the table.
IMAGINE that!!
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 7:52:22am |
The end of the world is neigh! We must act now before it's too late!!
//
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 7:57:10am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:00:15am |
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:06:50am |
re: #39 sattv4u2
Nahh,,, something that will withstand the rigors of the journey!!
[Video]
Luggage for the impending rapture?
//
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:07:04am |
re: #37 sattv4u2
What did you expect?
After your #35 everyone went off to pack!!
Has anyone seen my socks?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:08:07am |
re: #33 sattv4u2
SUGGESTION,.,,, give the puppy some food!! Maybe he'll stop eating the furniture!!!
LOL. He's got food! He's a puppy. Puppies chew.
I got some spray stuff that he doesn't like the taste of, that I've sprayed on things. It seems to be working.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:08:56am |
This is gonna leave a mark.
Crystal Bridges, the Art Museum Walmart Money Built, Opens
But Walmart eats babies!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:08:59am |
re: #41 darthstar
Has anyone seen my socks?
Wifey nudged me as we sat in church Christams Eve
She said "you know you have on one black sock and one navy blue one?"
I said "it's okay, I have another pair at home just like them!"
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reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:09:27am |
re: #44 sattv4u2
Wifey nudged me as we sat in church Christams Eve
She said "you know you have on one black sock and one navy blue one?"
I said "it's okay, I have another pair at home just like them!"
*groan*
How old is that joke?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:11:08am |
Hey satt, are you Buddhist?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:11:50am |
re: #42 reine.de.tout
LOL. He's got food! He's a puppy. Puppies chew.
I got some spray stuff that he doesn't like the taste of, that I've sprayed on things. It seems to be working.
Bitter (somethingorother) We've used that too, to varying degrees of success
(somre: #45 reine.de.tout
*groan*
How old is that joke?
As old as my socks!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:12:31am |
re: #46 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Hey satt, are you Buddhist?
Satt is a man of many moods, many faces.
He is whatever you want him to be. Or not be.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:12:58am |
re: #48 reine.de.tout
Satt is a man of many moods, many faces.
He is whatever you want him to be. Or not be.
I was asking because of his screen name.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:13:53am |
re: #42 reine.de.tout
LOL. He's got food! He's a puppy. Puppies chew.
I got some spray stuff that he doesn't like the taste of, that I've sprayed on things. It seems to be working.
I tried some of that with mine when he was a pup. He'd walk around licking whatever I sprayed. He seemed to enjoy it.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:14:12am |
re: #43 Gus 802
This is gonna leave a mark.
Crystal Bridges, the Art Museum Walmart Money Built, Opens
But Walmart eats babies!
Meanwhile over at the Guardian:
OWS Labor Outreach member Mike Friedman said that Occupy had no problem with the art itself. "But at a time when we're seeing cutbacks in health and education spending, we're seeing the transfer of wealth by way of tax cuts and subsidies to an elite who use excesses of that transfer to buy these magnificent works of art."
With the end of the Zuccotti Park sit-in, Occupy says it plans to initiate focused protests against cultural institutions associated with big Wall Street donors. It has singled out Lincoln Center, home to the New York Philharmonic, the Metropolitan Opera and New York fashion week, which is financially supported by Tea Party funder David Koch.
Back at Crystal Bridges, Houston argues that it will take years to see the full effect of how the Walton family has used its wealth. The family foundation is active in a whole variety of charitable activities, many of them educational, he says. "Their intent is not to create a shrine to an individual or even a family. Their goal is to create a tremendous cultural resource in this part of the world."
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reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:14:22am |
re: #49 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I was asking because of his screen name.
ah.
I think it refers to Satellite TV for you.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:14:24am |
re: #43 Gus 802
Forget the babies. Displaying an oversized Pinocchio puppet as art is reason enough to boycott Walmart.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:14:25am |
re: #46 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Hey satt, are you Buddhist?
No,, my stomach only looks this way because I indulged in way too many chocolatey treats last night
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:15:37am |
re: #48 reine.de.tout
Satt is a man of many moods, many faces.
He is whatever you want him to be. Or not be.
Satt is Keyser Sose?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:15:54am |
re: #50 RogueOne
I tried some of that with mine when he was a pup. He'd walk around licking whatever I sprayed. He seemed to enjoy it.
One of our "foster" dogs did also
he would see me get the spray bottle and get excited!
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:16:08am |
Trying to help my wife get used to her new Kindle...went to download a book for her and ended up ordering the paperback version. Oops.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:16:40am |
re: #57 darthstar
Trying to help my wife get used to her new Kindle...went to download a book for her and ended up ordering the paperback version. Oops.
cheaper that way.
/
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:16:57am |
Art market becomes focus of the OWS movement
Burp. Yep. I'm done with these guys.
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Stanghazi Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:17:26am |
re: #57 darthstar
Trying to help my wife get used to her new Kindle...went to download a book for her and ended up ordering the paperback version. Oops.
Here's the book, you can use the kindle as a light.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:17:50am |
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:18:31am |
re: #61 sattv4u2
Can't be
I'm an UNusual suspect!
You're prone to writing sternly worded letters?
//
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:18:54am |
re: #57 darthstar
Trying to help my wife get used to her new Kindle...went to download a book for her and ended up ordering the paperback version. Oops.
Use the Kindle for a night light to read the paperback. Problem solved, send cash.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:20:03am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:20:17am |
re: #62 Gus 802
You're prone to writing sternly worded letters?
//
Yes,,, but the I use the letters in random order. That way, nobody (including me) knows what the hell I'm writing about!!
EXAMPLE
ashwe ejnj eje wyysiu akiu a a emmje
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:21:21am |
re: #63 RogueOne
Use the Kindle for a night light to read the paperback. Problem solved, send cash.
She says that defeats the purpose.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:22:29am |
re: #59 Gus 802
Art market becomes focus of the OWS movement
Burp. Yep. I'm done with these guys.
It's winter, they're grasping at straws.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:22:40am |
re: #66 Gus 802
Occupy art. Pfft. Talk about going overboard.
Good idea to occupy the museums--keeps them out of the cold, and the pepper spray is perfumy-er.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:22:41am |
re: #67 darthstar
She says that defeats the purpose.
Besides which, the kindle doesn't have really all that much light. You need a light to read the kindle at night. Thus, the reason for all the covers with the built in lights.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:24:08am |
Ridiculous:
OWS Labor Outreach member Mike Friedman said that Occupy had no problem with the art itself. But at a time when were seeing cutbacks in health and education spending, were seeing the transfer of wealth by way of tax cuts and subsidies to an elite who use excesses of that transfer to buy these magnificent works of art.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:24:10am |
re: #66 Gus 802
Occupy art. Pfft. Talk about going overboard.
That's what happens when when a pack of art majors and self proclaimed "artists" become political activists.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:24:59am |
re: #66 Gus 802
Occupy art. Pfft. Talk about going overboard.
Hold on now
Only the "1%" can afford the best stuff
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
/
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:25:35am |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
That's what happens when when a pack of art majors and self proclaimed "artists" become political activists.
If they think the 'longshoremen were tough, wait until they cross the critics.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:25:53am |
re: #73 sattv4u2
Hold on now
Only the "1%" can afford the best stuff
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
/
David Geffen! Oh noz! Run for them hills!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:26:35am |
re: #74 Decatur Deb
If they think the 'longshoremen were tough, wait until they cross the critics.
A scathing review by Rex Reed!!!
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:29:54am |
re: #27 Shropshire_Slasher
The upstanding fine law-abiding citizens that occupied Albany NY are not happy being kicked out, so they showed 'em:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
More like kids having a temper tantrum.
I wonder if any of them noticed their vandalism helped give Lowe's another $2,000.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:31:33am |
re: #74 Decatur Deb
If they think the 'longshoremen were tough, wait until they cross the critics.
The diametrically opposed simulacra should prove to be synaptically stimulating to the contextual visual cartography.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:32:08am |
More Occupiers on Iranian state TV: 'US elite victimizing 99 percent'
An interview with Paul Sheldon Foote, professor of California State University
This guy is a real piece of work...
Press TV anti-Semitic commentator: Paul Sheldon Foote
There is a very long history of the successful use of the Crypto-Jew technique. Jews have pretended to convert from Judaism to Christianity and to Islam…Currently, Crypto-Jews, Jews, Christian Zionists, Zionists, neo-conservatives (neo-Trotskyites), and others are attempting to convince Christians to hate Muslims. How many Christian soldiers have died in Iraq and in Afghanistan to advance the sick, totalitarian dreams of the admirers of Trotsky?
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:32:47am |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
More Occupiers on Iranian state TV: 'US elite victimizing 99 percent'
This guy is a real piece of work...
Press TV anti-Semitic commentator: Paul Sheldon Foote
Clueless emos.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:33:08am |
re: #70 reine.de.tout
Besides which, the kindle doesn't have really all that much light. You need a light to read the kindle at night. Thus, the reason for all the covers with the built in lights.
I got her the "Fire" version...basically an iPad without the annoying Appleness.
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:33:10am |
re: #78 Gus 802
Keep that up for 15 pages and you'll be ready to write for Art News.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:33:53am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:34:13am |
re: #77 jaunte
I wonder if any of them noticed their vandalism helped give Lowe's another $2,000.
"Unfortunately, the misguided message of whoever did this is hurting our efforts to help kids through our programs," Ricchiuti said. "We do not have insurance for this type of thing."
SO.,,,, their plan was to have people show up to see the holiday lights, at Admission is $15 per car; $25 per limousine or 15-passenger van, and $75 per bus, with all proceeds benefiting the youth programming of Albany PAL. and there be ,, NO LIGHTS TO SEE!!
Why ,, their plan is ,,,, BRILLIANT!!!!
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:34:33am |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
More Occupiers on Iranian state TV: 'US elite victimizing 99 percent'
This guy is a real piece of work...
Press TV anti-Semitic commentator: Paul Sheldon Foote
HispanTV is their latest propaganda station.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:36:08am |
HispanTV is a Spanish language television channel operated by IRIB, Iran's state-owned public broadcasting corporation. It began broadcasting in December 2011.
Owned by Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:37:50am |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
More Occupiers on Iranian state TV: 'US elite victimizing 99 percent'
This guy is a real piece of work...
Press TV anti-Semitic commentator: Paul Sheldon Foote
Guy's an asshole. But hey, there's a blog dedicated to paying attention to assholes like him. Winning!
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:38:09am |
I know you all are deeply concerned about my helicopter. The good news is it took about an hour but I fixed my little rc chopper. The girl caught it in flight and disconnected the gearing on one set of the blades. It would have been an ez fix if I had a jewelers lens, those damn screws are tiny.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:38:31am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:39:07am |
re: #89 RogueOne
I know you all are deeply concerned about my helicopter. The good news is it took about an hour but I fixed my little rc chopper. The girl caught it in flight and disconnected the gearing on one set of the blades. It would have been an ez fix if I had a jewelers lens, those damn screws are tiny.
WARNING!!
They get smaller as you get older!!
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:39:35am |
re: #89 RogueOne
I know you all are deeply concerned about my helicopter. The good news is it took about an hour but I fixed my little rc chopper. The girl caught it in flight and disconnected the gearing on one set of the blades. It would have been an ez fix if I had a jewelers lens, those damn screws are tiny.
My nephew got one of those. I told your story a few times last night...you're quite popular now...as is your dog.
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:40:09am |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
He may be a 9/11 truther, too. Look at the last four links in his faculty page:
[Link: business.fullerton.edu...]
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:40:28am |
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:40:39am |
re: #91 sattv4u2
WARNING!!
They get smaller as you get older!!
For a gag gift my wife got me a pair of 2x reading glasses with built in LED lights. I used them to work on the chopper, so much for being a gag.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:41:13am |
re: #89 RogueOne
Question for ya
If a finger or paw gets in a spinning blade would they get injured? Would the heli survive?
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:42:07am |
re: #92 darthstar
My nephew got one of those. I told your story a few times last night...you're quite popular now...as is your dog.
They were horribly upset they weren't allowed to play with it while I tested it out a few minutes ago. I have to finish taking the tree down today, we'll try it again later when they have more room to jump around.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:42:39am |
re: #96 Rightwingconspirator
Question for ya
If a finger or paw gets in a spinning blade would they get injured? Would the heli survive?
The blades are loose hinged...so if they hit an object they fold. Pretty cool design, actually.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:43:23am |
re: #97 RogueOne
They were horribly upset they weren't allowed to play with it while I tested it out a few minutes ago. I have to finish taking the tree down today, we'll try it again later when they have more room to jump around.
I'm sure the dogs are capable of taking the tree down, as they demonstrated.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:44:56am |
re: #96 Rightwingconspirator
Question for ya
If a finger or paw gets in a spinning blade would they get injured? Would the heli survive?
The blades scared 'em a little at first but they stop dead when you stick your finger in them. No pain. The girl was closing her eyes real tight when she'd try to grab it, cracked me up. The blades can break but they give you a little repair kit with it. Mine came with a tiny ass screw driver, extra blades, and what I think are tiny balancers.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:46:08am |
re: #93 jaunte
He may be a 9/11 truther, too. Look at the last four links in his faculty page:
[Link: business.fullerton.edu...]
I still find it shocking that people like him have respected careers in academia. What a dick.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:46:59am |
re: #100 RogueOne
Well I'm thinking of getting a little one just for fun. The thinking is to later get a larger one that could lift a small video cam like a HD Hero or Wingman cam.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:48:40am |
re: #102 Rightwingconspirator
Well I'm thinking of getting a little one just for fun. The thinking is to later get a larger one that could lift a small video cam like a HD Hero or Wingman cam.
UAVs - soon everyone will have them. Caution: the Hellfire Missile attachment will strain most budgets.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:50:44am |
re: #93 jaunte
He may be a 9/11 truther, too. Look at the last four links in his faculty page:
[Link: business.fullerton.edu...]
What's more insightful is that the university allows him to have those links on his faculty page
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Stanghazi Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:51:35am |
re: #100 RogueOne
Your story has definitely made the rounds!
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:51:57am |
Obama recibe soborno de los lobbies!
Ha! Freaking Press TV right there. Sort of has this RT feel to it as well.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:52:31am |
re: #102 Rightwingconspirator
I was surprised at how easy it is to fly. I'm already tempted to try a larger one. Frys Electronics had a large collection of them before xmas, I might swing by later this week to check 'em out. A buddy of mine belongs to a RC flight club that meets in a field not too far from me, some of those guys have really cool setups. He's been trying to talk me into it for years but I never had any desire until yesterday.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:54:07am |
re: #108 RogueOne
I was surprised at how easy it is to fly. I'm already tempted to try a larger one. Frys Electronics had a large collection of them before xmas, I might swing by later this week to check 'em out. A buddy of mine belongs to a RC flight club that meets in a field not too far from me, some of those guys have really cool setups. He's been trying to talk me into it for years but I never had any desire until yesterday.
Go big, or go home!!
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:54:08am |
re: #105 sattv4u2
I don't know if any universities have policies that prevent their professors from indulging in conspiracy theories, though.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:55:44am |
re: #107 Gus 802
Obama recibe soborno de los lobbies!
Ha! Freaking Press TV right there. Sort of has this RT feel to it as well.
And here's Ian Williams who was mentioned in that propaganda piece at HispanTV. Put on your cow manure boots for this one:
In the first part of a new FPIF Strategic Dialogue on the Libyan War, Ian Williams argues that the choice is clear: to support the popular uprising and not the unpopular tyrant. See Robert Naiman's anti-intervention argument here. Also see the two contributors respond to each other's arguments here.
Ian Williams It is a particularly pernicious form of cultural imperialism for comfortable Western leftists to disregard what the actual Tunisians, Libyans, Kosovars, or Bosnians themselves have asked for - intervention to stop “their” rulers killing them. This setting aside of the wishes of people threatened with massacre in favor of Western armchair anti-imperialism is all the more remarkable coming from the left, which once swore by internationalism.
The calls to respect national sovereignty echo those of the despots of Africa and other regimes around the world who believe that it’s nobody’s business what a ruler does in his “own” country. Or even worse, such calls emulate the know-nothing isolationists on the right who do not care what happens to foreigners.
Continues.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:56:00am |
re: #110 jaunte
I don't know if any universities have policies that prevent their professors from indulging in conspiracy theories, though.
"Indulge" all you want,, on your OWN personal page, on your own personal time
Can you imagine an exec at (lets say) a fortune 500 company that includes neo nazi, or KKK like sympathies attached to his work bio??
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:58:34am |
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 8:59:28am |
re: #109 sattv4u2
Go big, or go home!!
I'm afraid I would destroy that thing by slamming it into the ground within the first hour. I have a couple cheap RC tanks (one that shoots nerf rounds) and a hummer that have turned out to be near indestructible. The girl will run around in circles barking at them until they shoot her. Then she picks them up and tosses 'em.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:00:53am |
re: #109 sattv4u2
Go big, or go home!!
Pity you can't convert the toy gun mount to fire .22 rounds. That could be quite fun:
"I know it was you who egged my house, little Steve. Kiss that favorite kiddie-car goodbye!"
/Note: I don't actually think that would be a good idea.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:01:47am |
re: #113 darthstar
That guy is so not getting laid anytime soon.
Completing a project like that is more rewarding anyways.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:04:18am |
re: #116 Dark_Falcon
Completing a project like that is more rewarding anyways.
You forgot the sarc tag
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:04:30am |
Morning all!
Did everyone have a good December 25?
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Bear Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:04:46am |
My first powered model plane was powered by 2-cycle gas engine. Breaker points, coil , spark plug. After getting engine started I tried to get the U-control thing airborn. I did, but it went straight up and straight down. Crash!!!
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:05:06am |
More Press TV hackery.
'Fundraisers bribe Obama for favors'
In a Sunday interview with Press TV, Ian Williams of the Foreign Policy in Focus in New York said such groups provide Obama's campaign with cash as they expect favors back from his office...
And quickly to the comments:
Tony Silver - Kopenhagen
Dec 26, 2011 1:28 PM
'Fundraisers bribe Obama for favors'? 90[[]%] of fundraisers are jews of America.America; Obama is the Uncle Tom of Israel
Dec 26, 2011 9:14 AM
Ask, why less than 1[[]%] of pop. -Zionists (neocons)-are controlling the entire US Media -Print, Radio, TV, Hollywood- Privately Owned Federal Reserve, all major Int. Banks, most WH sensitive positions to President. Zionists AIPAC control every US Senator and Reps. US gives $6 Bi to Israel yearly. It is like 300 million other Non-Zionist Americans (The 99 Percent) do not have any talent what so ever. Zionism is a Cult not a Religion, Moses was not a Zionist, he was a Jew. See...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:07:05am |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:09:04am |
Brat Puppy got Gumby and Pokey chew toys for his gifts. Neither have legs anymore and Pokey is headless.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:10:18am |
Ron Paul in 1995 on the Ron Paul Survival Report
Ron Paul, in a 1995 interview filmed for about 50 students in the MBA program at University of New Mexico, speaks about the Ron Paul survival report.
Oh right. He knew about it then but now claim he didn't know what went into those newsletters.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:11:18am |
re: #120 Gus 802
More Press TV hackery.
'Fundraisers bribe Obama for favors'
And quickly to the comments:
Hater #1: How can Obama be both a Wily Kenyan Marxist and a Shambling Uncle Tom Controlled by Teh Jooos at the same time?
Hater #2: He's very clever and tricksy, that's how.
/This insane exchange was brought to you by Falcon's Wing Research's Idiot Detection and Mockery Division.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:12:03am |
re: #118 ggt
Morning all!
Did everyone have a good December 25?
Yes,,, in 1953-59, most of the 60's ,, some of the 70's ,,, a few in the 80's ,,, and 94-2010
!!!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:13:00am |
So it begins....
Salafist Nour Party denies link to morality police group launched on Facebook
Salafist party denies any relation to the Facebook 'Committee for the promotion of virtue and prevention of vice in Egypt' similar to Saudi moral police; activists admonish idea of morality vigilantes
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:13:52am |
re: #126 sattv4u2
Yes,,, in 1953-59, most of the 60's ,, some of the 70's ,,, a few in the 80's ,,, and 94-2010
!!!
As long as you know what it's like . . .
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Kronocide Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:14:34am |
Look again at that dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every ‘superstar,’ every ‘supreme leader,’ every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:15:52am |
re: #127 Killgore Trout
So it begins...
Salafist Nour Party denies link to morality police group launched on Facebook
And if you believe that, I've got some nice bottomland to sell you...
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:18:48am |
re: #123 Gus 802
Interesting piece with a lot of the backstory on those newsletters:
How Did We Get Here? Or, Why Do 20 Year Old Newsletters Matter So Damn Much?
[Link: bleedingheartlibertarians.com...]
This led to the paleolibertarian strategy by the end of the decade after Rothbard broke with the Kochs and helped Lew Rockwell found the Mises Institute (originally located on Capitol Hill – right smack inside the hated beltway, it’s worth noting). The paleo strategy, as laid out (PDF)here by Rockwell, was clearly designed to create a libertarian-conservative fusion exactly along the lines Jacob lays out in his post. It was about appealing to the worst instincts of working/middle class conservative whites by creating the only anti-left fusion possible with the demise of socialism: one built on cultural issues. With everyone broadly agreeing that the market had won, how could you hold together a coalition that opposed the left? Oppose them on the culture. If you read Rockwell’s manifesto through those eyes, you can see the “logic” of the strategy. And it doesn’t take a PhD in Rhetoric to see how that strategy would lead to the racism and other ugliness of newsletters at the center of this week’s debates.
The paleo strategy was a horrific mistake, both strategically and theoretically, though it apparently made some folks (such as Rockwell and Paul) pretty rich selling newsletters predicting the collapse of Western civilization at the hands of the blacks, gays, and multiculturalists. The explicit strategy was abandoned by around the turn of the century, but not after a lot of bad stuff had been written in all kinds of places. There was way more than the Ron Paul newsletters. There was the Rothbard-Rockwell Report, which was another major place publishing these sorts of views. They could also be found in a whole bunch of Mises Institute publications of that era. It was the latter that led me to ask to be taken off the Institute’s mailing list in the early 1990s, calling them “a fascist fist in a libertarian glove.” I have never regretted that decision or that language. What the media has in their hands is only the tip of the iceberg of the really unsavory garbage that the paleo turn produced back then.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:19:17am |
re: #130 Dark_Falcon
And if you believe that, I've got some nice bottomland to sell you...
I'm really hoping things turn out well for Egypt but there's no doubt that there is a strong pull towards an Islamist society. Egyptian Islamists are pretty good at hiding their intentions after being outlawed for so long but they're going to be in control of the country soon and the masks are slipping.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:23:58am |
re: #134 Gus 802
Disgruntled Ex-Paul Staffer Says Paul Wouldn’t Use Gay Man’s Bathroom
As follows:
In 1988, Ron had a hardcore Libertarian supporter, Jim Peron, Owner of Laissez Faire Books in San Francisco. Jim set up a magnificent 3-day campaign swing for us in the SF Bay Area. Jim was what you would call very openly Gay. But Ron thought the world of him. For 3 days we had a great time trouncing from one campaign event to another with Jim’s Gay lover. The atmosphere was simply jovial between the four of us. (As an aside we also met former Cong. Pete McCloskey during this campaign trip.) We used Jim’s home/office as a “base.” Ron pulled me aside the first time we went there, and specifically instructed me to find an excuse to excuse him to a local fast food restaurant so that he could use the bathroom. He told me very clearly, that although he liked Jim, he did not wish to use his bathroom facilities. I chided him a bit, but he sternly reacted, as he often did to me, Eric, just do what I say. Perhaps “sternly” is an understatement. Ron looked at me directly, and with a very angry look in his eye, and shouted under his breath: “Just do what I say NOW.”
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:25:03am |
re: #132 Killgore Trout
I think you're correct, it's about to go from bad to worse for the more liberal members of their society. OTOH, revolutions rarely go great right off the bat and this is just the first step. What they've learned, that things can be changed, is an important lesson. I have hope that eventually they'll get the kind of government that they deserve.
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:28:24am |
re: #135 Gus 802
In Ron Paul world, fast food restaurant bathrooms are always safe.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:29:18am |
“a fascist fist in a libertarian glove.”
What an excellent description of the Paulian phenomenon.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:29:25am |
re: #138 jaunte
In Ron Paul world, fast food restaurant bathrooms are always safe.
Of course, everyone knows it's the airport bathrooms where you can catch gay fever.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:30:23am |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Nope, I didn't. I really believe that to be true.
In the '60s it was commonplace to say "Skydiving is better than sex."
By the '70s the countermeme was established:
"If you believe that, you are not doing either correctly."
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:31:32am |
re: #141 Decatur Deb
In the '60s it was commonplace to say "Skydiving is better than sex."
By the '70s the countermeme was established:
"If you believe that, you are not doing either correctly."
IIRC, David Crosby said that sailing the high seas is the only thing that is better than sex.
He should know.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:34:32am |
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:34:35am |
re: #139 wlewisiii
What an excellent description of the Paulian phenomenon.
Yeah but Ron Paul will stop the Drug War and all wars!
//
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:37:16am |
For some reason I think this is kind of a dumb story: Study: Wealth Inequality In America May Be Worse Than It Was In Ancient Rome
Here's the "study" which looks more like a college paper. Was this subjected to peer review?
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:38:13am |
Paul Disowns Extremists’ Views but Doesn’t Disavow the Support
Don Black, director of the white nationalist Web site Stormfront, said in an interview that several dozen of his members were volunteering for Mr. Paul’s presidential campaign, and a site forum titled “Why is Ron Paul such a favorite here?” has no fewer than 24 pages of comments. “I understand he wins many fans because his monetary policy would hurt Jews,” read one.
Far-right groups like the Militia of Montana say they are rooting for Mr. Paul as a stalwart against government tyranny.
Mr. Paul’s surprising surge in polls is creating excitement within a part of his political base that has been behind him for decades but overshadowed by his newer fans on college campuses and in some liberal precincts who are taken with his antiwar, anti-drug-laws messages.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:38:24am |
re: #146 Gus 802
For some reason I think this is kind of a dumb story: Study: Wealth Inequality In America May Be Worse Than It Was In Ancient Rome
Here's the "study" which looks more like a college paper. Was this subjected to peer review?
Well, I'm not reading it today.
I will say that I think even the poorest American uses a private toilet and bathes alone.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:41:28am |
re: #148 ggt
Well, I'm not reading it today.
I will say that I think even the poorest American uses a private toilet and bathes alone.
True. There can be no doubt that the general standard of living has gone up. Income inequality is only a problem if those below can't make a decent living. After all, if you are doing well and have room to do better, it should not make a difference how much more the guy at the top has. Thus I consider discussions of income inequality, in and of itself, to be worthless.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:42:27am |
OK, here's the real study
Yeah. Things were so much better during the Roman Empire. What have we done!?! //
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:42:49am |
re: #149 Dark_Falcon
True. There can be no doubt that the general standard of living has gone up. Income inequality is only a problem if those below can't make a decent living. After all, if you are doing well and have room to do better, it should not make a difference how much more the guy at the top has. Thus I consider discussions of income inequality, in and of itself, to be worthless.
Income inequality is a valid topic if it is related to Opportunity Inequality. Which is what, I think, we are seeing now.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:43:37am |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Nope, I didn't. I really believe that to be true.
I can look past your politics, but that freaks me the fuck out.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:44:47am |
re: #152 darthstar
I can look past your politics, but that freaks me the fuck out.
Tell me why, and I'll read it when I return.
BBL
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:45:44am |
re: #148 ggt
Well, I'm not reading it today.
I will say that I think even the poorest American uses a private toilet and bathes alone.
Their basic finding may be technically accurate, but I sincerely doubt that the findings, when closely examined, mean all that much. I wonder if they're examining government and army holdings, which the elite were able to utilize, I wonder how they're reckoning in slaves, I wonder a lot of things.
Mostly, however, I wonder how much useful information was gleaned about the economic structure of the Roman empire from "Bible passages". The Greek testament does talk about money and taxation, but not in a form that I would think would yield accurate statistical data.
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:45:49am |
If I write a Tweet that you don't like or offends you, it wasn't me. It was my ghostwriter. Who's a bit of a jerk. #RonPauling
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:48:37am |
And would last exactly one morning in my house. I have a feeling it's use would result in drywall repair.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:48:47am |
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:48:53am |
re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist
Their basic finding may be technically accurate, but I sincerely doubt that the findings, when closely examined, mean all that much. I wonder if they're examining government and army holdings, which the elite were able to utilize, I wonder how they're reckoning in slaves, I wonder a lot of things.
Mostly, however, I wonder how much useful information was gleaned about the economic structure of the Roman empire from "Bible passages". The Greek testament does talk about money and taxation, but not in a form that I would think would yield accurate statistical data.
Then there's that thing about slaves that the Romans utilized in their economy. I suspect that the study's actual conclusion wasn't the one derived from the Think Progress page.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:49:35am |
Sometimes reading the news isn't the best idea in the morning. While waiting for a relative to pick me up and take me to the Beach Chalet in SF (matriarch family gathering), I actually read some MidEast news. Syrian tanks firing on civilians. Suicide bomber in Iraq.
One thing is for certain, I'm so glad to be living here in the U.S.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:51:13am |
re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist
Their basic finding may be technically accurate, but I sincerely doubt that the findings, when closely examined, mean all that much. I wonder if they're examining government and army holdings, which the elite were able to utilize, I wonder how they're reckoning in slaves, I wonder a lot of things.
Mostly, however, I wonder how much useful information was gleaned about the economic structure of the Roman empire from "Bible passages". The Greek testament does talk about money and taxation, but not in a form that I would think would yield accurate statistical data.
Wealth is also a subjective term.
I think we count things like, not living with bugs as part of being a "developed" nation. Having pasteurized milk and flouridated water. In Roman times, people didn't keep their teeth.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:52:30am |
re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist
A hopelessly distant comparison. Rendered pointless by modernity.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:53:07am |
A Roman citizen would think we all practice magic.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:53:09am |
Gah, there are so many Paul-bots invading every story on NPR about Laup Nor that it'd be funny if the dweebs weren't so annoying.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:56:00am |
re: #153 Dark_Falcon
Tell me why, and I'll read it when I return.
BBL
I've come to the conclusion that it is a matter of economics. For younger men, it is a matter of scarcity. What is scarce is most precious.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:56:18am |
re: #161 ggt
Wealth is also a subjective term.
I think we count things like, not living with bugs as part of being a "developed" nation. Having pasteurized milk and flouridated water. In Roman times, people didn't keep their teeth.
It's hard to enumerate? I mean during Roman times the top tier had little compared to what the top 1 percent have today. We should also keep in mind that they had slaves. So we had a range of people that went from slaves (zero earners) to rulers. So the spread is wider now. However, the lower tier is far higher than it was during the Roman Empire.
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sagehen Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:56:35am |
re: #124 Dark_Falcon
Hater #1: How can Obama be both a Wily Kenyan Marxist and a Shambling Uncle Tom Controlled by Teh Jooos at the same time?
Hater #2: He's very clever and tricksy, that's how.
/This insane exchange was brought to you by Falcon's Wing Research's Idiot Detection and Mockery Division.
You read crap so we don't have to. Thanx for taking one for the team.
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:57:00am |
re: #164 wlewisiii
It's a coordinated media attack conspiracy!
Trand Fatero (TrandFatero) wrote:
Its a shame that we see such concerted and coordinated attack against Ron from media and it is more shameful when I see this from npr. npr are you part of the establishement. I am not registered voter but will register and vote if I see Ron Paul on ballot. These attack against hi should motivate fence sitters like me to come over.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:57:28am |
re: #166 Gus 802
It's hard to enumerate? I mean during Roman times the top tier had little compared to what the top 1 percent have today. We should also keep in mind that they had slaves. So we had a range of people that went from slaves (zero earners) to rulers. So the spread is wider now. However, the lower tier is far higher than it was during the Roman Empire.
And things are available that weren't even imaginable then. How much would a wealthy Roman value a full set of teeth?
Or not losing a wife or child to pregnancy and childbirth?
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:59:00am |
So we have "Rome's top 1% controlled 16 percent of the wealth, compared to modern America where the top 1% controls 40 percent of the wealth." Maybe and that's subject to scrutiny by peer review. So they controlled less of the wealth? What about the soils of war? The slaves? Were the slaves monitized in this study? Sure, maybe they only controlled 16 percent of the wealth but ancient Rome's 1 percent owned your life -- literally.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 9:59:55am |
re: #170 Gus 802
So we have "Rome's top 1% controlled 16 percent of the wealth, compared to modern America where the top 1% controls 40 percent of the wealth." Maybe and that's subject to scrutiny by peer review. So they controlled less of the wealth? What about the soils of war? The slaves? Were the slaves monitized in this study? Sure, maybe they only controlled 16 percent of the wealth but ancient Rome's 1 percent owned your life AND HIS WIFE.-- literally.
ftfy
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:01:09am |
re: #161 ggt
Wealth is also a subjective term.
I think we count things like, not living with bugs as part of being a "developed" nation. Having pasteurized milk and flouridated water. In Roman times, people didn't keep their teeth.
Voting rights, the lack of a legally enforced social hierarchy that refused to recognize marriage between classes, not having thirty to forty percent of the population be enslaved people with absolutely no legal rights, plus, fifty percent of the remaining with almost no legal rights because of gender...you know, I will take the inequality of my own day, and call it a good start.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:01:23am |
Have to be productive.
have a great day all!
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:04:01am |
Watching CNN
Just saw the "gate closing ceremony" at the India/Pakistan border. Big ritual ceremony costumes and all. Maybe I watch too many nature science shows. But I swear these guys look like strutting male birds trying to impress a female bird in a tough crowd. They even have plumage. (Sorry no link on CNN online I can find)
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Stanghazi Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:04:05am |
re: #152 darthstar
I can look past your politics, but that freaks me the fuck out.
My prophecy sees Dark, sometime in the future falling HARD. The denial/final reward syndrome.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:07:18am |
re: #170 Gus 802
Isn't this line of Rome/Modern nation argument just a formalized ad absurdum fail? I get that we need change like separating wealth and state but wow.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:08:37am |
Also, basically, what they're looking at is what was technically possible in the Roman world. Our loony excess of money concentrated at the top of the pyramid is reliant on technology. Their less steep spread doesn't indicate greater access of the poor and middle class to affluence, it indicates a limit to how much capital the wealthy could actually pile up given their technological limits.
It's an interesting enough thing to kick around, but past a certain point, the concentration of wealth at the point of the pyramid doesn't correspond to social equity or lack thereof.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:09:51am |
re: #176 Rightwingconspirator
Isn't this line of Rome/Modern nation argument just a formalized ad absurdum fail? I get that we need change like separating wealth and state but wow.
It's just an attempt to take a study and put a 'current affairs' spin on it, without putting a great deal of thought into what you're actually saying.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:09:53am |
re: #174 Rightwingconspirator
Watching CNN
Just saw the "gate closing ceremony" at the India/Pakistan border. Big ritual ceremony costumes and all. Maybe I watch too many nature science shows. But I swear these guys look like strutting male birds trying to impress a female bird in a tough crowd. They even have plumage. (Sorry no link on CNN online I can find)
Heh. Youtube saves the point.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:10:49am |
re: #176 Rightwingconspirator
Isn't this line of Rome/Modern nation argument just a formalized ad absurdum fail? I get that we need change like separating wealth and state but wow.
Well. To give you and idea of where one of the authors is coming from:
091005 - Roman real wages in context
Walter Scheidel, Stanford University
Download PDF Abstract - This paper presents and discusses evidence of real incomes in the Roman period. It shows that real wages rose in response to demographic contractions. There is no evidence that would support the assumption that Roman economic growth raised real wages for workers. However, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence: relevant data are scarce and highly unevenly distributed in time and space.
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Stanghazi Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:13:53am |
Eric Boehlert
@EricBoehlert
this is not a joke: @NRO's @RichLowry ponders Bobby Jindal (!!) as possible last-minute GOP 2012 savior; bit.ly/uYtPMY #enjoy
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:16:05am |
Sort of sounds familiar. Like, religion.
Appeal to ignorance — the claim that whatever has not been proved false must be true, and vice versa (e.g. There is no compelling evidence that UFOs are not visiting the Earth; therefore UFOs exist — and there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Or: There may be seventy kazillion other worlds, but not one is known to have the moral advancement of the Earth, so we're still central to the Universe.) This impatience with ambiguity can be criticized in the phrase: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. - Sagan
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:16:14am |
re: #181 Stanley Sea
“We Don’t Have Our ‘A Team’ on the Field”
(And we can't find it in the locker room, either)
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:18:27am |
re: #180 Gus 802
Well. To give you and idea of where one of the authors is coming from:
091005 - Roman real wages in context
Walter Scheidel, Stanford University
Download PDF Abstract - This paper presents and discusses evidence of real incomes in the Roman period. It shows that real wages rose in response to demographic contractions. There is no evidence that would support the assumption that Roman economic growth raised real wages for workers. However, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence: relevant data are scarce and highly unevenly distributed in time and space.
Which incidentally is often a misquote ascribed to Carl Sagan. He did not say "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:18:46am |
re: #181 Stanley Sea
Eric Boehlert
@EricBoehlert
this is not a joke: @NRO's @RichLowry ponders Bobby Jindal (!!) as possible last-minute GOP 2012 savior; bit.ly/uYtPMY #enjoy
I'm gonna need a bigger rwnj lachrymatory.
[Link: www.lachrymatory.com...]
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:22:37am |
re: #186 Decatur Deb
I'm gonna need a bigger rwnj lachrymatory.
[Link: www.lachrymatory.com...]
It's rather pointless because most of the Republican primary deadlines have come and gone. Take a look at what happened with Perry and Gingrich in Virginia. Rich Lowry is just a commentator and has little if any control over the Republican Party.
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:23:09am |
re: #146 Gus 802
For some reason I think this is kind of a dumb story: Study: Wealth Inequality In America May Be Worse Than It Was In Ancient Rome
Here's the "study" which looks more like a college paper. Was this subjected to peer review?
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Stanghazi Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:23:46am |
re: #186 Decatur Deb
I'm gonna need a bigger rwnj lachrymatory.
[Link: www.lachrymatory.com...]
They might as well just run Scott Walker.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:24:11am |
re: #187 Gus 802
It's rather pointless because most of the Republican primary deadlines have come and gone. Take a look at what happened with Perry and Gingrich in Virginia. Rich Lowry is just a commentator and has little if any control over the Republican Party.
I've been reading the fantasy sites again. Most of their hopes are pinned to an unlikely brokered convention.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:24:31am |
re: #188 b_sharp
Thanks but I found it a couple of minutes after I posted it. Not really going to take anyone seriously that said "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
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Alexzander Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:26:45am |
re: #30 Alouette
I changed my avatar picture. Yesterday was my dad's birthday, he would have been 93 years old yesterday. This is a picture of my dad and my grandma, when he was a baby, born just after my grandpa passed away in the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918.
Incredible!
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Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:27:42am |
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b_sharp Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:27:51am |
re: #191 Gus 802
Thanks but I found it a couple of minutes after I posted it. Not really going to take anyone seriously that said "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
Why, it's a common fallacy.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:35:21am |
She'd sell her soul for the right xmas gift:
[Link: i.huffpost.com...]
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:43:25am |
Well I've retreated upstairs for now. My SIL is hosting a "hen party" and started crossly bossing folk about in stressed preparation. Beautiful way to spend my last day of holiday barring the drive home tomorrow.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:44:18am |
The cupcake company at the center of the "TSA confiscates security-risk cupcake" story [[Link: abcnews.go.com...] ] knows a good marketing strategy when it sees one:
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Stanghazi Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:46:44am |
re: #196 oaktree
Well I've retreated upstairs for now. My SIL is hosting a "hen party" and started crossly bossing folk about in stressed preparation. Beautiful way to spend my last day of holiday barring the drive home tomorrow.
I'm waiting for a semi legitimate time to start eating leftovers and watching tv.
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freetoken Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:48:51am |
re: #187 Gus 802
It's rather pointless because most of the Republican primary deadlines have come and gone.
However, at the convention, assuming no candidate has a majority of votes then the convention as a whole might change rules enough to allow a wild card. Great political theater if it happens.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:49:44am |
re: #198 Stanley Sea
I'm waiting for a semi legitimate time to start eating leftovers and watching tv.
No TV option here. And we've been doing leftovers to a degree the whole time for the last few days. I'll slip down there for goodies later this afternoon.
And my brother and I need to cut down a few trees as well. He saves work like that for when I visit since he wants a spotter when doing lumberjack work.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:50:44am |
Belated Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.
My Christmas celebration was a glass of red wine with my mother while we sat on the floor and curry-combed her Great Pyrenees. We talked about when she was a little girl, and how the room we were sitting in used to be the open porch where they churned the butter and plucked the chickens.
I made roast beef and Yorkshire pudding for dinner, with a whole bunch of sides and vegs out of an very old British cookbook. Pretty much the whole thing was new territory for me and a lot of work (Meat that's not chopped to pieces and sauced? Alien and suspicious.) but turned out very well.
I hope everyone else had a similarly comfortable and close company, and an equivalently enjoyable meal.
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Stanghazi Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:51:58am |
re: #200 oaktree
No TV option here. And we've been doing leftovers to a degree the whole time for the last few days. I'll slip down there for goodies later this afternoon.
And my brother and I need to cut down a few trees as well. He saves work like that for when I visit since he wants a spotter when doing lumberjack work.
Ha! Sounds like fun. I heard a chainsaw going this am, and my first thought was Christmas present. (live basically in the city, although there are canyons)
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:52:00am |
An update to the story GGT posted earlier: re: #137 ggt
Cops: Santa killed Texas family after opening presents
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
Six members of a Texas family apparently opened Christmas presents just before a relative dressed as Santa Claus showed up, opened fire and killed them before killing himself, police said Monday.
Grapevine police spokesman Sgt. Robert Eberling said the shooter showed up in the Santa outfit shortly before gunfire erupted and was a member of the family. The identity of the shooter and the victims will be released after autopsies are conducted Monday, he said.
All of the victims appeared to be related, and Grapevine police said they believe the shooter was among the dead. Investigators were meticulously searching the apartment, along with three vehicles parked outside, and didn't expect to finish until dawn on Monday.
"It appears they had just celebrated Christmas. They had opened their gifts," said Sgt. Eberling said, adding that the apartment was decorated for the holiday, including a tree.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:52:05am |
re: #199 freetoken
However, at the convention, assuming no candidate has a majority of votes then the convention as a whole might change rules enough to allow a wild card. Great political theater if it happens.
Would seem to be self-defeating at this point but only if they don't have enough votes. The strongest candidate the Republicans have remain Mitt Romney. Jindal is weak on many fronts including his speaking abilities and his Howdy Doody like stage presence. Everything begins in Iowa in a couple of weeks and they're all going to have to work their way through the primary like they've done for decades now.
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sagehen Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:54:54am |
re: #199 freetoken
However, at the convention, assuming no candidate has a majority of votes then the convention as a whole might change rules enough to allow a wild card. Great political theater if it happens.
They're starting early generating excuses for why they're going to be pasted next November. They won't want to admit it's because their policies are extremely unpopular and their candidates are certifiable loons, so they need a third party run or "unfair" state deadlines, or ACORN or media bias or the DOJ blocking their voter ID bills or union thuggery in Ohio and Wisconsin or or or or or or.....
| 206 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:56:41am |
The Ron Paul people have found Angry Black Lady. These guys have some sort of chemical signal or something that they can send out.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:57:25am |
re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist
The Ron Paul people have found Angry Black Lady. These guys have some sort of chemical signal or something that they can send out.
It's the attack of the Ron Paul Pod People.
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prairiefire Mon, Dec 26, 2011 10:57:33am |
re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist
The Ron Paul people have found Angry Black Lady. These guys have some sort of chemical signal or something that they can send out.
Testosterone and Ramen noodles.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:00:30am |
Ron Paul's admirers see him as a man of integrity. They are tragically mistaken about that. Despite his too-dotty-to-lie persona, Ron Paul is not in fact on the level. In evading responsibility for his newsletters, Paul has replied "I don't know" and "I don't remember" to queries whose answers he must know and surely remembers. The back story of the newsletters shows a man who, sufficiently saturated in racism and extremism himself, was ready to exploit the even greater racism and extremism of others for financial gain. Ron Paul is the Max Bialystock of monetary cranks -- and this latest presidential campaign represents the summit of his bunco artist career, his very own "Springtime for Hitler." -- David Frum
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sagehen Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:00:38am |
re: #201 The Ghost of a Flea
Belated Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.
My Christmas celebration was a glass of red wine with my mother while we sat on the floor and curry-combed her Great Pyrenees. We talked about when she was a little girl, and how the room we were sitting in used to be the open porch where they churned the butter and plucked the chickens.
OMG how old is your mother!?! and how far from the city is the house (then and now, presuming the city's bigger than it was)?
(when my mother was a little girl, parents would send kids to play stickball in the street, and at lunchtime they'd yell "hey ma, throw me down a sandwich" and ma would toss it out the 4th floor window. when my grandma was a little girl, milk and ice were delivered by horse-drawn carts and there was one telephone that 400 people on the block all shared).
(when I was a little girl, telephones had dials. And if you wanted to watch something on TV, you had damn well better be sitting in front of the TV at the time they said. It was probably in black & white.)
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:04:34am |
re: #208 prairiefire
I took a bite of one of the 3 dog bakery peanut butter cookies. It looked and smelled too much like people food not to try it. It was actually good, would eat again.
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:04:47am |
re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist
The Ron Paul people have found Angry Black Lady. These guys have some sort of chemical signal or something that they can send out.
They have some interesting theories:
...The whole thing may have been manufactured to support their racist portrait of him. How is it someone knew just where to look? In any event anything can be manufactured by the currupt system he is against. You are aware as an Argry Black Lady that the white supremist organisations are run by the FBI,CIA,and SPLC. Please research this to better inform yourself. He wants to abolish the CIA. You have to realise the people he is adamantly against basically control everything. So sky is the limit. He most likely will loose, the odds are against him, but alot of people are waking up to the corrupt system. The media that is attacking him are owned by his opponents. It’s quite obvious what is going on. I would hope you are aware of that. One fact is, he’s been helping Black people for the majority of his life...[Link: www.angryblacklady.com...]
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prairiefire Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:07:10am |
re: #211 RogueOne
I took a bite of one of the 3 dog bakery peanut butter cookies. It looked and smelled too much like people food not to try it. It was actually good, would eat again.
It's a great product line. The original owners used to work in the store before they "hit it big." Very nice guys who LOVE dogs.[Link: www.threedog.com...]
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:07:20am |
re: #213 Gus 802
You just have to connect the dots, man... the dots are everywhere!!!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:09:19am |
Hacking Group 'Anonymous' Takes First Step in 'Master Plan,' Vows to Strike Again
In a statement released today, Anonymous said, "Tomorrow, we will be dropping another enormous dump on our next target: the entire customer database from an online military and law enforcement supply store."
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freetoken Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:09:26am |
Speaking of Ron Paul, I see that Lew Rockwell is pushing the latest Paul essay "Beware the Coming Bailouts of Europe", in which he yet again asserts that the real problem is fiat money and the Federal Reserve system.
This... from the guy who is leading the latest polls of likely Iowa caucus voters.
At this point I just hope the whole GOP collapses upon itself and goes away.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:09:50am |
re: #214 prairiefire
My wife had been in there before but that was my first time, I'm going to try the rib flavor you mentioned the next time I'm in the area. The dogs love the cookies. The young lady that helped me at the store was very friendly and helpful, I should send an email or something.
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prairiefire Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:10:45am |
re: #30 Alouette
I changed my avatar picture. Yesterday was my dad's birthday, he would have been 93 years old yesterday. This is a picture of my dad and my grandma, when he was a baby, born just after my grandpa passed away in the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918.
She's beautiful!
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:11:52am |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
Hacking Group 'Anonymous' Takes First Step in 'Master Plan,' Vows to Strike Again
Common criminals. In fact, I'm close to being of the opinion that any future "anonymous" attacks be considered acts of terrorism.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:11:56am |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
I wonder what their beef is with Stratfor. Their site is still down.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:12:45am |
re: #215 jaunte
You just have to connect the dots, man... the dots are everywhere!!!
Well, that's basically their whole thing. If you don't like their guy, you've been blinkered by the Man, and should do more research. If your research turns up anything unfavorable to Ron Paul--blinkered again!
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:13:37am |
For charity. Damn assholes. They're stealing money whomever. What scum.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:13:42am |
re: #215 jaunte
You just have to connect the dots, man... the dots are everywhere!!!
I'm seeing them everywhere now, and they sound really nuts. On one Mother Jones' thread, this woman got going about how "He's not all about himself. He totally only lives for other people. He's the most caring man I've ever encountered."
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:16:02am |
Sure enough...
davidfrum @davidfrum davidfrum
"CNN is run by Jews." From the comments on my CNN.com Ron Paul column ... [Link: bit.ly...]
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:16:53am |
Maybe Anon doesn't have a beef with Stratfor:
Anonymous denies Stratfor hack
[Link: www.tgdaily.com...]
"The Stratfor hack is not the work of Anonymous. Stratfor is an open source intelligence agency, publishing daily reports on data collected from the open Internet. Hackers claiming to be Anonymous have distorted this truth in order to further their hidden agenda, and some Anons have taken the bait," the group claimed in an online communiqué.
"The leaked client list represents subscribers to a daily publication which is the primary service of Stratfor. Stratfor analysts are widely considered to be extremely unbiased. Anonymous does not attack media sources."
According to Anonymous, Stratfor has been deliberately misrepresented by "these so-called Anons" and portrayed in false light as a company which engages in activity similar to HBGary.
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:18:25am |
@Wolfrum
Ron Paul cannot be racist because other people are racister.
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wrenchwench Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:19:13am |
re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm seeing them everywhere now, and they sound really nuts. On one Mother Jones' thread, this woman got going about how "He's not all about himself. He totally only lives for other people. He's the most caring man I've ever encountered."
Last week a person with a PAUL2012 sticker on her car pulled into a busy street from a side street and stopped in the middle of everything because she belatedly saw someone waiting to use the cross walk she was about to drive over. To me she symbolizes a certain kind of Paul supporter: doing something really stupid while thinking you're being nice.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:19:36am |
re: #220 Gus 802
Common criminals. In fact, I'm close to being of the opinion that any future "anonymous" attacks be considered acts of terrorism.
They do get pretty close to the definition of cyber terrorists. Especially considering the political motivations for their attacks. If a foreign government was doing this stuff it would almost certainly be considered terrorism.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:19:48am |
re: #226 RogueOne
Maybe Anon doesn't have a beef with Stratfor:
Anonymous denies Stratfor hack
[Link: www.tgdaily.com...]
Screw them.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:21:08am |
re: #230 Gus 802
Screw them.
Just sayin'.// It's not like they've been shy about who they're going after.
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freetoken Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:21:14am |
Unseasonably warm across much of the country:
[Link: graphical.weather.gov...]
as has been much of the latter part of December. Don't know if this December will be a record breaker, but it is definitely warm.
I'd blame it on global warming, except that global warming is studied by NOAA, which is part of the Department of Commerce (as one commenter at that Frum article at CNN emphasizes), and since Ron Paul knows that the Department of Commerce ought to be eliminated therefore global warming doesn't exist.
It all makes so much sense to me now.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:21:39am |
re: #231 RogueOne
Just sayin'.// It's not like they've been shy about who they're going after.
I know. ;)
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albusteve Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:23:01am |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
Hacking Group 'Anonymous' Takes First Step in 'Master Plan,' Vows to Strike Again
Talk about misguided...these guys are laughable...they should pard up with the OWS crowd
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:24:21am |
Time to get to work finishing the tree disassembly. My wife came home with 2 more RC choppers (2 for $39 sale today at the hobby shop) so I need to clear some floor space.
Enjoy the day people!
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Meitantei Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:24:26am |
re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist
Isn't that well, kind of the opposite of the Libertarian doctrine Luap Nor preaches?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:25:03am |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
It'll be awesome when someone needs to use their credit card for an emergency and their card gets declined because it was maxed out for a prank. Just awesome.
Assholes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:27:59am |
re: #236 Meitantei
Isn't that well, kind of the opposite of the Libertarian doctrine Luap Nor preaches?
My impression is that these folks honestly don't know what Ron Paul is saying, they just know that they believe in it deeply, and that you're stupid, gullible, or corrupt if you don't too.
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freetoken Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:30:10am |
And, speaking of global warming and Ron Paul, last night I linked to a VA news article
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
detailing the harassing of a Virginia Planning Commission by wingnuts because the commission is planning for flooding due to increasing sea levels along the central VA coast, something which is already occurring. Among those groups causing the problem is the "Virginia Campaign for Liberty", which is of course another Paulian group of ultra conspiracists.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:30:27am |
I think this comment pretty well sums them up: Let's be honest here, the reason why the main stream media won't take him seriously is he will not conform to the puppet masters that run the country or the world. There is no way I could ever vote for Obama again, If Ron Paul wins they would probably take him out.
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Interesting Times Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:30:54am |
re: #232 freetoken
There's another "fossil-fueled" disaster in the making if everything this person says is correct:
By contrast ground-level ozone is formed through complex chemical reactions when volatile organic compounds from burning fuel interact with UV radiation from the sun...and it's poisonous to all forms of life.
Government agencies such as NASA and the US Department of Agriculture measure annual losses of essential crops such as wheat, rice and soybeans in the billions of dollars from stunted growth and reduced production due to ozone. But does anybody stop to think what ozone must be doing to long-lived species - trees and shrubs and even lowly mosses - that suffer from cumulative exposure, season after season?
...
As billions of trees expire, they are already turning from an essential carbon sink to carbon emitters, driving climate change to become even worse than the worst predictions. And how we will replace the oxygen they produce, to breathe? There is evidence that phytoplankton, the other major producer of oxygen and the base of the food chain in the ocean, has been reduced by 40% - and that they are absorbing ozone as well. Earth is a closed system, like a closed garage - with a car running inside. The invisible but deadly exhaust fumes are building up and up. If we don't turn off the engine everything will die, sooner or later.
You have a lot of knowledge in this area, so is there a possibility ground-level ozone could cause all plant life to eventually go extinct?
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Kronocide Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:32:08am |
re: #215 jaunte
You just have to connect the dots, man... the dots are everywhere!!!
What connects dots? MORE DOTS.
| 243 |
jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:32:20am |
Letter Reveals How Ron Paul Cashed in on Paranoia
Paul's newsletters weren't just a form of political expression or "educational" (as he bragged in a 1995 C-Span interview)—they were a highly lucrative endeavor. In 1993 alone, Paul's publishing company brought in a million dollars. The newsletter was published for decades, which suggests that Paul stood to make a lot of money from it. Paul has attempted to laugh that charge away, but that's a lot different than refuting it. And from the pitch letter sent out under Paul's name, his was a hard sell, perfectly calibrated to cash in on fears. "[B]ad times offer the greatest profit opportunities," he writes. The government's plans will "chill your blood." "Help me help you survive." "The holocaust of the underground economy." "You may not have much time left." By imparting this information, Paul claimed he might be placing his life at risk: "I've been told not to talk, but these stooges don't scare me." The letter concludes with these stirring words: "There's no time to waste. The new money may not come until next year. Or it may be imposed tomorrow. You should subscribe today."
If the Ron Paul Survival Report wasn't a sincere expression of the congressman's views, it was nonetheless a scheme to profit by stirring up the worst fears of a small group of the population.
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Gus Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:34:50am |
And Wikileaks (Hearts) Ron Paul:
@wikileaks WikiLeaks
Ron Paul is being smeared by Karl Rove (pal of Carl Bildt) on FOX for his defense of WikiLeaks. Paul needs help.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:36:12am |
re: #243 jaunte
And I truly don't care which it was, genuine racism or cashing in on racists giving him money--there's too much of it, and it's unacceptable.
Not that I take Paul as a serious candidate regardless, but I also don't consider him a serious human being.
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freetoken Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:38:07am |
re: #241 publicityStunted
I am not a plant physiologists, but I can assure you that we don't have to worry about a build up of ozone destroying plant life on the planet.
Ozone, O3, is even more reactive than the usual oxygen molecule, O2, and it will quickly react with most anything on the surface of the Earth (and thus the depletion of ozone from the atmosphere at the surface.)
Ozone in the upper atmosphere is there because of UV light. That's how the "ozone layer" protects us: oxygen molecules in the upper atmosphere absorb the UV so little UV gets to the ground.
Ozone is created by many processes at the surface too, as anyone who lives in a major urban area can attest. Ozone damages cells (of animals and plants), but that has always been true.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:38:36am |
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jaunte Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:38:48am |
re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist
He's an opportunist in the Alex Jones/Glenn Beck/paranoia drug dealer style.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:39:08am |
re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist
And I truly don't care which it was, genuine racism or cashing in on racists giving him money--there's too much of it, and it's unacceptable.
Not that I take Paul as a serious candidate regardless, but I also don't consider him a serious human being.
Not only that but he is old stale news
| 251 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:41:24am |
re: #250 albusteve
Not only that but he is old stale news
His followers haven't noticed.
Really, this is my first time seeing the Paul people up close. I'm sort of fascinated by them.
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freetoken Mon, Dec 26, 2011 11:44:26am |
re: #241 publicityStunted
I'm also suspicious when a writer goes on something like this:
That trees are dying is empirically verifiable by a cursory inventory. Characteristic symptoms you can readily locate in any woods, suburban yard, park or mall include stippled, singed foliage; yellowing coniferous needles; thinning, transparent crowns; cracking, splitting, corroded, oozing and stained bark; early leaf senescence; loss of autumn radiance; holes; cankers; absence of terminal growth; breaking branches; and ultimately, death. Why isn't this simply due to climate change and/or drought? Because, the identical foliar damage is to be found on plants growing in pots with enriched soil and regular watering - and even aquatic plants that are always in water.
"Cursory inventory" is not very reliable. There are numerous studies on deforestation and afforestation around the globe. Some places are getting greener (due to more rainfall or better practices by humans) while in other places there are die-off (besides the obvious logging.)
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Hawaii’s Mauna Loa Observatory Just Captured Ominous Signals About the Planet’s Health Hawaii’s Mauna Loa Observatory just captured an ominous sign about the pace of global warming. Atmospheric levels of planet-warming carbon dioxide aren’t just on their way to yet another record high this year - they’re rising faster than ever, ... Cheechako
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