Wisconsin Republican Introduces Legislation Demonizing Unmarried Parents

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As if single parents always have a choice? Wisconsin legislator Glenn Grothman, a Republican who happens to be a close ally to Governor Scott Walker, has introduced legislation that would classify nonmarital parenthood as child abuse and neglect for purposes of the Child Abuse and Neglect Prevention Board’s operations.

The legislation specifically indicates that nonmarital parenthood is a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.

Section 1. 48.982 (2) (g) 2. of the statutes is amended to read: 48.982 (2) (g) 2. Promote statewide educational and public awareness campaigns and materials for the purpose of developing public awareness of the problems of child abuse and neglect. In promoting those campaigns and materials, the board shall emphasize nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.

Section 2. 48.982 (2) (g) 4. of the statutes is amended to read: 48.982 (2) (g) 4. Disseminate information about the problems of and methods of preventing child abuse and neglect to the public and to organizations concerned with those problems. In disseminating that information, the board shall emphasize nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.

That would apparently apply to children born of non-married couples and same-sex couples.

This is yet another assault on women and ignores the fact that children in a loving home environment benefit - regardless of whether they’ve got a single parent or parents who are of the same sex or if the parents are not married.

He’s trying to link child abuse and neglect to children born out of a heterosexual marriage situation, and I don’t think the link can pass the smell test. It’s just another chapter in the culture war against women and nonmarried couples.

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123 comments
1 Blue Point  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 10:48:31am

Gop/TP hard at work to create jobs and a brighter future. Ah, screw that, let’s demonize and hate people.

2 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:14:04am

Wow. I think I’m gonna promote this one. They’re getting even more medieval.

3 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:15:56am

Does this include widows and widowers? It must, right?

Those assholes, with their loved ones dying. They should remarry immediately, otherwise they’re abusing their kids.

4 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:17:59am

re: #3 Obdicut

Does this include widows and widowers? It must, right?

Those assholes, with their loved ones dying. They should remarry immediately, otherwise they’re abusing their kids.

And don’t even think about getting divorced, no matter how toxic the marriage is and how much it damages the lives of your children. You’re going to stay married for the good of the kids and that’s final!

5 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:18:15am

More:

Wisconsin Senator Who Introduced Anti-Single Parent Bill Says Women ‘Trained’ To Lie About Planned Pregnancies

Grothman: There’s been a huge change over the last 30 years and a lot of that change has been the choice of the women. There’s a reason why in the 50s and the 60s you had less than ten percent of the births illegitimate, and now we’re over 40 percent. It’s not that there weren’t abusive men in the 40s or there was a problem with child support. It is the popular culture, led by the social service professions, who are saying…

Colmes: Well tell me what you would change.

Grothman: I think the first thing we do is that we should educate women that this is a mistake.

Colmes: You think women need to be educated, are they not smart enough on their own?

Grothman: They do have to be educated, because right now the culture encourages a single motherhood lifestyle.

Colmes: You think women choose to be single moms…

Grothman: Oh absolutely

Colmes: You think women want to have homes without fathers? You think women look to the opportunity to have to raise kids and not be able to get work because they have to stay home and take care of the kids. Women want to do this?

Grothman: I think a lot of women are adopting the single motherhood lifestyle because the government creates a situation in which it is almost preferred.

….

Colmes: According to data published in USA Today, at least four in ten pregnancies in every state are unwanted or mistimed. According to the analysis that was released last May, more than half of pregnancies in 29 states and the District of Columbia were unintended, 38 to 50 percent were unintended in the remaining states. This mitigates against the argument that women are purposefully wanting to have kids. Their unintended for the most part. They’re unintended pregnancies, which is the argument for health care services and birth control for women.

Grothman: I think you undersell these women.

Colmes: Undersell them?

Grothman: Undersell them. I think when you have an epidemic of this great proportion, people are not so dumb that it’s surprising when they get pregnant. I think people are trained to say that ‘this is a surprise to me,’ because there’s still enough of a stigma that they’re supposed to say this.

Also:

Santorum In 1994: Single Moms Are ‘Simply Breeding More Criminals’

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:19:57am

re: #3 Obdicut

Does this include widows and widowers? It must, right?

Those assholes, with their loved ones dying. They should remarry immediately, otherwise they’re abusing their kids.

No. By definition, widowers and widows were married, meaning that it would be marital parenthood.

Marriage is a statistical indicator of child abuse, more than biology, actually.

However, wouldn’t making more helpful resources available to these families be a better idea than punishing them?

7 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:21:17am

re: #6 To hold my temper, most of the time.

However, wouldn’t making more helpful resources available to these families be a better idea than punishing them?

Thats commie socialist agitprop!
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8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:21:24am

re: #3 Obdicut

Does this include widows and widowers? It must, right?

Those assholes, with their loved ones dying. They should remarry immediately, otherwise they’re abusing their kids.

Wait, do you demand rational thinking-things-through from values-politicians?

LOLOLOL! ///

9 LWNJ  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:22:45am

Someone should remind those people that it’s not the mothers who are absent. (I’d say a lot more, but I’m too pissed right now.)

10 elizajane  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:23:00am

Speaking as a former single mom of 3 kids, who belonged to not a few online support groups of single mothers with multiple children, I want to say: Yes, this is just what we need! To be told that we are probably abusing our children, that we are inadequate to the task, that our kids are at risk, that we are terrible people. Because we’d never, ever worry about those things ourselves! We all live the life of Reilly and think that everything is just hunky-dory.

Honestly, I have written this before, but I think that single mothers can be the BEST parents because they do not take their family for granted, don’t expect everything to be perfect, and are willing to reach out beyond the doors of the house and find help and support in the community. My single-parent groups were unbelievably and very materially supportive of one another.

11 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:23:11am

re: #6 To hold my temper, most of the time.

No. By definition, widowers and widows were married, meaning that it would be marital parenthood.

That doesn’t matter. The kids aren’t being raised by a married couple, are they?

12 erik_t  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:25:33am

As near as I can tell, the bill classifies non-married parenthood as a contributing factor in child abuse, but does not classify non-married parenthood as intrinsic child abuse.

My interpretation of the written word comes from the sciences rather than from a law background, but this seems to be an important distinction. One could probably make the case that parents who drink alcohol are a contributing factor in child abuse, without codifying that parental alcohol consumption is de jure child abuse.

It’s all kinds of fucked up, but it seems to me to be one small level less fucked up than classifying non-married parenthood as de jure child abuse.

13 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:25:39am

re: #9 Mercurial

Someone should remind those people that it’s not the mothers who are absent. (I’d say a lot more, but I’m too pissed right now.)

Yes, but you have to recall that by traditional values the male is never at fault. It’s the woman’s fault for having relations with the male in defiance of her father and the proper mores of society.
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And we know that the daughter of a fatherless family is just going to be a moral-less deviant anyways.
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14 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:26:00am

re: #6 To hold my temper, most of the time.

meaning that it would be marital parenthood

And if the couple conceived before the marriage, by this def it would not be marital parenthood even if they married soon afterwards.

15 Blizard  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:26:09am

My mind is blown. What planet is this? Wow.

16 jaunte  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:26:18am

And if you thought that this was anything more than the political demonization of single parents, the WI governor’s budget recommendation shows that the Child Abuse and Neglect Prevention Board is expected to deal with this child neglect with a 21.5% cut in last year’s budget.

CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT PREVENTION BOARD
GOVERNOR’S BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS

TOTAL
FY11:
Adjusted Base 3,784,800

FY12:
Recommended 2,970,700

% Change
Over FY11:
21.5

docs.google.com

17 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:27:38am

re: #16 jaunte

And if you thought that this was anything more than the political demonization of single parents, the WI governor’s budget recommendation shows that the Child Abuse and Neglect Prevention Board is expected to deal with this child neglect with a 21.5% cut in last year’s budget.


[Link: docs.google.com…]

Is it true that they’re also replacing their manuals with copies of the Bible?
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18 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:28:02am

It was common practice in Germany until the 60’s that single mothers who led an “immoral lifestyle” could expect to have their children taken away and put into a home.

All it took to be branded “immoral” was to have enough complaints from “concerned neighbors” about irregular hours, male visits, etc.

Sounds like we are on our way back.

19 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:28:02am

A friend of mine is raising his five kids by himself. I’d love to see Glenn call him a child abuser to his face.

20 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:29:35am

re: #19 Slumbering Behemoth

A friend of mine is raising his five kids by himself. I’d love to see Glenn call him a child abuser to his face.

My hat is off to your friend. When my great grandfather’s first wife died, he raised my grandmother’s half siblings alone until he married my great grandmother. And he was doing that as a coal miner. Tough guy, honored to share the same first name with him and wish I knew him.

21 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:29:56am

re: #19 Slumbering Behemoth

A friend of mine is raising his five kids by himself. I’d love to see Glenn call him a child abuser to his face.

Take a look at Grothman’s comments from my post 5. He’s convinced that its only women lying to account for this “problem”. Men can’t be at fault.

22 Ming  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:30:03am

If this legislation becomes law in Wisconsin, could this affect a single parent’s custody of their children, in some cases? I’m afraid this might mean that in the same situation (e.g. domestic violence, inadequate nutrition, young kids left home alone for a few hours), married parents would have a higher chance than single parents of retaining custody.

23 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:31:06am

re: #5 Kragar

More:

Wisconsin Senator Who Introduced Anti-Single Parent Bill Says Women ‘Trained’ To Lie About Planned Pregnancies

Also:

Santorum In 1994: Single Moms Are ‘Simply Breeding More Criminals’

What are assholes, Alex? (referring to Santorum and the dipshit state Senator of course)

24 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:31:46am

Between Lawhawk and Kragar’s posts Grothman has been elevated to near the top of my “Disgusting Fuckers” list. I’d call his comments sick except that would be insulting towards people with illness.

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:33:04am

re: #14 Saint Rush, Martyr of Lower Wingnuttia

re: #11 Obdicut

Statistically, married stepfathers are less likely to abuse than unmarried bio dads or unmarried non-bio dads. (Note: This is statistically, not always.)

Deceased parents don’t frequently abuse their children.*

*except for my cousin’s ex-husband, who committed suicide, and left her to try to help her daughter through the pain.

26 Jack Burton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:33:36am

So being raised by a single loving parent or 2 unmarried but loving parents is child abuse, but raising your children to believe literally in 2000-4000 year old fairy tales with no modern context and apply them as is to life in the 21st century is not?

ummm… ok

srsly?

27 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:34:16am

re: #18 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

It was common practice in Germany until the 60’s that single mothers who led an “immoral lifestyle” could expect to have their children taken away and put into a home.

All it took to be branded “immoral” was to have enough complaints from “concerned neighbors” about irregular hours, male visits, etc.

Sounds like we are on our way back.

Orphanages are not preferable to loving parents.

Again, perhaps we could make more resources available?

28 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:34:45am

re: #25 To hold my temper, most of the time.

I don’t think this is based on real data, though.

29 jaunte  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:34:49am

GOP presidential candidate promises to kick single mothers butts:

Rick Santorum: “We are seeing the fabric of this country fall apart, and it’s falling apart because of single moms.”

“If you want to close your eyes to it, if you don’t care about it, if you don’t want to solve it, if you want to continue the system, to let people stay and spiral—go ahead. Not with me.” Single mothers, Santorum argued, needed politicians who weren’t afraid of “kicking them in the butt.”

motherjones.com

30 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:35:15am

I finally found out what this “Kony 2012” stuff is about.

31 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:35:30am

re: #25 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Deceased parents don’t frequently abuse their children.*

But we aren’t talking about the deceased, but about the living. It makes no difference if a child was conceived in marriage, with a parent soon dying. The surviving parent is still a single parent.

32 thatthatisis  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:35:37am

This is wonderful irony.

So if an unmarried woman is raped, and follows good Republican theology and keeps the child, she is now, under this law, guilty of child abuse ?

33 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:36:21am

re: #32 thatthatisis

This is wonderful irony.

So if an unmarried woman is raped, and follows good Republican theology and keeps the child, she is now, under this law, guilty of child abuse ?

Yes she is, unless she marries the rapist!1!1ty

34 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:36:41am

Is this some kind of wedge to eventually try and outlaw divorce?

35 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:37:09am

re: #30 ProGunLiberal

I finally found out what this “Kony 2012” stuff is about.

J. Kony is a sick fuck that needs to be ended. The entire LRA needs to be ended.

36 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:37:14am

re: #27 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Orphanages are not preferable to loving parents.

Again, perhaps we could make more resources available?

For the GOP counterpoint to your question, please see Rush’s response to a woman asking that private insurers cover contraception.

37 dragonath  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:37:26am

Does this bill have any chance of passing? Gotta love that Republican outreach, trying to piss off everybody who isn’t part of their base one day at a time.

But, this isn’t exactly new thinking with Republicans. I think Nixon vetoed a child care bill because he called it the “sovietization” of children. Seriously.

38 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:37:42am

re: #29 jaunte

Heh. Gray Davis did just that when he sued my mom for repayment of public assistance after a family friend passed away and left a small chunk of money to me for college.

39 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:37:49am

re: #34 SpaceJesus

Is this some kind of wedge to eventually try and outlaw divorce?

On the way to arranged marriages.

40 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:38:04am

Also, Miley Cyrus continues to own wingers

huffingtonpost.com

41 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:38:36am

Here’s Glenn on the job:

Youtube Video

For those of you who are unfamiliar with Glenn ‘slobs’ Grothman, he’s certifiable. He’s also unmarried and has no children.

42 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:38:44am

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. Gray Davis did just that when he sued my mom for repayment of public assistance after a family friend passed away and left a small chunk of money to me for college.

What?

43 erik_t  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:39:24am

re: #32 thatthatisis

This is wonderful irony.

So if an unmarried woman is raped, and follows good Republican theology and keeps the child, she is now, under this law, guilty of child abuse ?

No, because that’s not what the bill appears to say, and that’s why I’m irritated at the degree to which the blogosphere seems willing to imprecisely describe this bill.

It’s awful, on that we can all agree. It’s plenty awful enough on its own merits; we don’t need to be incorrect on top of it.

44 thatthatisis  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:40:14am

I’m still shaking my head.

If a single woman is raped, this is the situation under the Replubicans’ ideal world:

1) If she doesn’t get pregnant because she’s on birth control, she’s a slut
2) If she gets pregnant but aborts, she’s guilty of murder
3) If she gets pregnant and keeps the child, she’s guilty of child abuse.

Don’t you just love these people? They’re so cute.

45 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:40:17am

re: #28 Obdicut

I don’t think this is based on real data, though.

acf.hhs.gov

acf.hhs.gov

Scroll down to item 5.

46 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:40:25am

re: #3 Obdicut

No distinctions are made with the terminology. “Nonmarital parenthood” is not defined, but could conceivably include divorced parents, widowers, single parent foster parents, as well as same sex couples and heterosexual couples who are not married.

47 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:40:28am

re: #32 thatthatisis

This is wonderful irony.

So if an unmarried woman is raped, and follows good Republican theology and keeps the child, she is now, under this law, guilty of child abuse ?

God wouldn’t let rape happen if this country prayed to him at least 5 times a day.

48 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:40:40am

re: #41 alpuz

Here’s Glenn on the job:

[Embedded content]For those of you who are unfamiliar with Glenn ‘slobs’ Grothman, he’s certifiable. He’s also unmarried and has no children.

Preserving his vital essence no doubt.

49 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:40:44am

re: #40 SpaceJesus

Also, Miley Cyrus continues to own wingers

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

Good for her.

50 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:40:50am

re: #35 b_sharp

True, however Invisible Children has some…issues:

The organization behind Kony 2012 — Invisible Children Inc. — is an extremely shady nonprofit that has been called ”misleading,” “naive,” and “dangerous” by a Yale political science professor, and has been accused by Foreign Affairs of “manipulat[ing] facts for strategic purposes.” They have also been criticized by the Better Business Bureau for refusing to provide information necessary to determine if IC meets the Bureau’s standards.

Additionally, IC has a low two-star rating in accountability from Charity Navigator because they won’t let their financials be independently audited. That’s not a good thing. In fact, it’s a very bad thing, and should make you immediately pause and reflect on where the money you’re sending them is going.

If I’m not mistaken, Obama had a small number of troops ordered to Central Africa last year. I am quite confident that this fucker will be killed in the next few years. Just like Bin Laden, Al-Awlaki, and others.

51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:42:18am

re: #50 ProGunLiberal

Hmm, thanks for the link. I thought the vid was a bit too slick.

52 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:42:24am

re: #42 b_sharp

He was state AG at the time, and was cracking down. My mom (single mother of two) had received welfare in the past, food stamps and what not. He wanted that paid back when I (as a minor) was bequeathed a small chunk of money for any future college endeavors. He won the case and she had to pay.

53 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:42:30am

re: #43 erik_t

Sure, sure, it says that being a single parent is a contributing factor, not that it is child abuse. Which is also incorrect.

54 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:43:28am

re: #46 lawhawk

but could conceivably include divorced parents,

This is what I think this eventually wants to get at.

“Have kids? Better not get divorced under the law of Wisconsin (the bible)”

55 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:44:00am

re: #51 Saint Rush, Martyr of Lower Wingnuttia

I haven’t seen it outright, I just saw it blow up my FB and Twitter feeds.

Obama is very, very good on National Security and Anti-Terror. I have confidence that Kony will found and disposed of.

56 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:44:05am

re: #52 Slumbering Behemoth

He was state AG at the time, and was cracking down. My mom (single mother of two) had received welfare in the past, food stamps and what not. He wanted that paid back when I (as a minor) was bequeathed a small chunk of money for any future college endeavors. He won the case and she had to pay.

I take it they did not honour the wishes of the deceased. How did they justify that?

57 erik_t  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:44:28am

re: #53 Obdicut

Sure, sure, it says that being a single parent is a contributing factor, not that it is child abuse. Which is also incorrect.

Absolutely. Which is why I’d rather it be reported on accurately.

Quite aside from, you know, wanting things to be correct rather than incorrect, there’s no reason to hand the GOP the obvious defense of ‘well, you’re not even able to read the bill so why should we listen to your criticism?’

58 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:45:08am

re: #55 ProGunLiberal

I really hope they’re simply “shady” and not an outright scam. Altho that might be.

59 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:45:12am

Just when I thought things couldn’t get sillier, Newt starts using Hulk Hogan’s theme music for his campaign

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:46:26am

re: #56 b_sharp

I take it they did not honour the wishes of the deceased. How did they justify that?

I’ll have to ask my mom. It was a long time ago, and I was still pretty young.

62 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:47:25am

re: #58 Saint Rush, Martyr of Lower Wingnuttia

We will see. I feel ambivalent about that group.

63 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:47:50am

re: #58 Saint Rush, Martyr of Lower Wingnuttia

I really hope they’re simply “shady” and not an outright scam. Altho that might be.

There has been some verification of LRA killing villagers and taking the children, as well as killing children when they’re no longer useful. Unfortunately all I’ve heard is anecdotal stories from Canadians visiting the area.

64 Flavia  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:48:12am

re: #3 Obdicut

Does this include widows and widowers? It must, right?

Those assholes, with their loved ones dying. They should remarry immediately, otherwise they’re abusing their kids.

As a friend of mine said “You’re absolutely right, Government, my children need their dead father replaced. I see George Clooney’s not doing anything - end him over, right now!”

I mean, WHAT THE HELL DOES THE GOVERNMENT THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO??? & if the government is going to criminalize it, they better damned well get their lawyers ready - unless, of course, they really WILL send George Clooney right over (Good thing I love MY husband, or it might be tempting! No,seriously - just think of the governmental response - I mean, besides taking the kids, of course, which really would be their response. Can you imagine governmental mandated remarriage?? Can you imagine the people that would sign up for this??? I smell movie plot - or my brain frying…)…

65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:48:48am

re: #63 b_sharp

Well, it’s not about the LRA but about this group.

66 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:50:05am

re: #40 SpaceJesus

Also, Miley Cyrus continues to own wingers

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

The attack on Cyrus comes a week after the star announced she wouldn’t tolerate threats and called on Twitter to make its microblogging service a safer and less hostile environment.

Boycott!

67 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:50:43am

I noticed yesterday that in order to launch the new version of Breitbart.com, they’ve completely eliminated their newsfeed services. That used to be the main function of Breitbart.com - newsfeeds from major wire services. I used to link to the Breitbart.com feed stories, way back in the pre-enlightenment era.

All gone now. Now it’s wingnut fantasy news all the time, with no troublesome reality to intrude.

68 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:50:50am

re: #65 Saint Rush, Martyr of Lower Wingnuttia

Well, it’s not about the LRA but about this group.

For Christ sake Sergey, don’t you realize your shoe’s untied?

69 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:51:50am

re: #68 b_sharp

For Christ sake Sergey, don’t you realize your shoe’s untied?

Is my participle dangling?

70 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:52:00am

re: #67 Charles Johnson

I noticed yesterday that in order to launch the new version of Breitbart.com, they’ve completely eliminated their newsfeed services. That used to be the main function of Breitbart.com - newsfeeds from major wire services. I used to link to the Breitbart.com feed stories, way back in the pre-enlightenment era.

All gone now. Now it’s wingnut fantasy news all the time, with no troublesome reality to intrude.

They’re going to release an outrageously outrageous Obama video from 1990 tonight. I’m sure it’ll be quite the scoop.
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71 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:52:06am

They’re not even pretending they care anymore about any one save True Americans™.

Sad to see a great country commit suicide.

72 allegro  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:52:16am

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

The Most Astounding Fact (Neil DeGrasse Tyson)

[Embedded content]

Thanks for sharing that!

I so heart Neil DeGrasse Tyson. (Seriously, I have the equivalent of a teenage crush on the guy.) He is becoming this generation’s Sagan and carrying that mantle brilliantly.

73 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:52:25am

re: #69 Saint Rush, Martyr of Lower Wingnuttia

Is my participle dangling?

I’m far too polite to say.

74 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:53:26am

re: #45 To hold my temper, most of the time.

Ah, fun with statistics. Yes, Grothman is likely using those reports to butress his argument that nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.

75 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:54:03am

re: #66 Killgore Trout

To make up for it, I’m gonna go out and buy all Miley Cyrus stuff for my office. Miley notepaper, Miley pens, mousepad, etc.

76 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:54:21am

re: #73 b_sharp

I’m far too polite to say.

But not polite enough to notice! Ha!/

77 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:55:07am

re: #74 lawhawk

Ah, fun with statistics. Yes, Grothman is likely using those reports to butress his argument that nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.

It would be nice if he could use these statistics to offer up a helpful solution.

Oh look, a single mom. She’s probably stressed out and doing the work of two.

Let’s help her out. Let’s threaten to take the kids away.

That will make things better.

78 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:55:37am

re: #75 SpaceJesus

To make up for it, I’m gonna go out and buy all Miley Cyrus stuff for my office. Miley notepaper, Miley pens, mousepad, etc.

Maybe I’ll watch the video of her smoking salvia as an act of solidarity.

79 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:55:48am

re: #75 SpaceJesus

To make up for it, I’m gonna go out and buy all Miley Cyrus stuff for my office. Miley notepaper, Miley pens, mousepad, etc.

Yeah right, like you didn’t own all that stuff already…
//

80 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:56:21am

re: #79 I’ll be taking these Huggies…

Yeah right, like you didn’t own all that stuff already…
//

But now he has an excuse as to why he does.

81 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:56:30am

re: #77 To hold my temper, most of the time.

It would be nice if he could use these statistics to offer up a helpful solution.

Oh look, a single mom. She’s probably stressed out and doing the work of two.

Let’s help her out. Let’s threaten to take the kids away.

That will make things better.

Rational pragmatism? How dare you demand so much from poor overworked government leaders?

82 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:57:24am

re: #79 I’ll be taking these Huggies…

No, It’s all Bieber stuff right now

83 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:57:31am

re: #80 Kragar

But now he has an excuse as to why he does.

Now he can invite people over without embarrassment.

84 rwdflynavy  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:57:59am

re: #80 Kragar

But now he has an excuse as to why he does.

It’ll be the perfect complement to all the Hannah Montana stuff that currently decorates his office!!
//

85 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:58:07am

Rush to Rush: Stop using our music!

The ’80s have come back to bite Rush Limbaugh in the ass … Rush (the band) has followed Peter Gabriel’s lead and have demanded Limbaugh stop using their music on his radio show ASAP.

Rush (the band) was FURIOUS when they discovered Rush (radio guy) was playing their song “The Spirit of Radio” as he ranted about wanting to see sex tapes of Sandra Fluke. The band got even more upset when they learned it wasn’t the first time Rush (radio) has used their music on his show.

The band has since fired off a cease and desist letter to Rush (radio) … saying, “The public performance of Rush’s music is not licensed for political purposes and any such use is in breach of public performance licenses and constitutes copyright infringement.”

The letter continues, “Accordingly, we hereby demand that you immediately stop all use of Rush’s music and confirm that you will do so.”

As for Peter Gabriel … his song, “Sledgehammer” was playing on Rush’s radio show when he called Fluke a “slut” … and, shocker, Peter’s pissed too.

Gabriel’s rep said the singer has demanded that his music also be pulled from Limbaugh’s show.

86 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:59:36am

re: #85 lawhawk

Rush to Rush: Stop using our music!

Looks like the verdict is in.

87 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:00:17pm

re: #85 lawhawk

YUnno, back when I used to listen to an hour of Rush a day on AFN, I noticed that his incidental music was often a lot better than the music they were playing otherwise.

Shame he is losing his last redeeming feature.

Does he still open with the Pretenders’ “Ohio”?

88 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:01:25pm

What comes to mind: social engineering; legislating morality; etc. Now where have I heard those before?

What’s happened to Wisconsin? When did they go full metal wingnut?

89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:02:19pm

re: #85 lawhawk

OT: I have a legal question:

Is it illegal to take pictures of a neighbor’s yard from over the fence? I want to document a dog poop problem. Specifically, a lazy ass neighbor that doesn’t pick up their dog’s poop.

90 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:02:32pm

re: #88 Gus

What comes to mind: social engineering; legislating morality; etc. Now where have I heard those before?

What’s happened to Wisconsin? When did they go full metal wingnut?

Full Metal Wingnut.

I like that, very descriptive.

91 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:03:02pm

re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth

You be snitchin’? //

92 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:03:21pm

re: #40 SpaceJesus

Also, Miley Cyrus continues to own wingers

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

What the… Miley Cyrus? She said that? Wow, the gal has earned some new found respect from me. That’s rather bold of her considering where she’s coming from. Nice.

93 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:03:30pm

re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: I have a legal question:

Is it illegal to take pictures of a neighbor’s yard from over the fence? I want to document a dog poop problem. Specifically, a lazy ass neighbor that doesn’t pick up their dog’s poop.

That’s theft of their yard’s essence.

94 leftynyc  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:03:54pm

I simply cannot wait until Sarah Palin comments on this.

95 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:04:09pm

re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: I have a legal question:

Is it illegal to take pictures of a neighbor’s yard from over the fence? I want to document a dog poop problem. Specifically, a lazy ass neighbor that doesn’t pick up their dog’s poop.

Is it so extreme that it is a nuisance beyond the yard?

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:04:54pm

re: #91 Saint Rush, Martyr of Lower Wingnuttia

You be snitchin’? //

No, more like “Here’s the evidence, you can stop lying to me now. And start picking up your dog shit”.

97 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:05:17pm

The wingnuts are damaging this state so bad that if Walker gets re-elected I’ve discussed leaving it with my wife. Surprisingly she seems to be on board even thought she has lots of family here.

98 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:05:34pm

re: #93 b_sharp

That’s theft of their yard’s essence.

It sounds as though the essence of their yard is poop.

99 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:05:49pm

re: #88 Gus

What comes to mind: social engineering; legislating morality; etc. Now where have I heard those before?

What’s happened to Wisconsin? When did they go full metal wingnut?

Everyone knows you don’t go full metal.

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:05:52pm

re: #95 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Is it so extreme that it is a nuisance beyond the yard?

I am getting complaints, yes.

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:06:04pm

re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth

No, more like “Here’s the evidence, you can stop lying to me now. And start picking up your dog shit”.

- It falls from heaven. Also, that wasn’t my dog, it was its evil twin.

102 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:06:11pm

re: #90 b_sharp

Full Metal Wingnut.

I like that, very descriptive.

Yep. There’s actually a real life full metal wingnut out there by the name of Adam Baldwin.

103 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:06:24pm

Going up!

104 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:06:46pm

re: #101 Saint Rush, Martyr of Lower Wingnuttia

Heh. The excuses I’m hearing are getting that ridiculous.

105 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:11:52pm

re: #101 Saint Rush, Martyr of Lower Wingnuttia

- It falls from heaven. Also, that wasn’t my dog, it was its evil twin.

It has a doggelganger.

106 Spocomptonite  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:12:26pm

As a product of a single-parent household, this is my reaction.

And my parents only got divorced. Are these Republicans seriously going to go up to a recent widow of a soldier and say, “Condolences for your loss, thank you for your sacrifice… now marry another dude pronto or give us your kids you child neglecter you.”?

WTF

107 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:12:35pm

re: #105 b_sharp

It has a doggelganger.

Ain’t that the twoof.

108 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:17:26pm

Wow. I am sure President Obama somehow put him up to this, just to make the GOP look bad.

There are in truth plenty of children whose parents are also children and we have plenty examples of those in jail.

However any rational person wanting to address the issue would

a) make sure social services were properly funded to monitor such cases when called for, and
b) properly fund Planned Parenthood and others who can dispense family planning advise to such potential child parents (and adults) and
c) call out abstinence “sex” education, or no education, for the farce it is.

109 leftynyc  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:25:57pm

re: #19 Slumbering Behemoth

A friend of mine is raising his five kids by himself. I’d love to see Glenn call him a child abuser to his face.

My boss did the same. 5 kids who are all productive members of society and now married (some with kids) themselves.

110 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:27:29pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Rush to Rush: Stop using our music!

I don’t expect this to happen, but if Rush were to take a power, be it forced or of his own volition, who would step in to fill the vacuum? Would the wingers all flock to Hannity? Savage? Dennis Miller?

My use of the word “vacuum” is, of course, deliberate.

111 AlexRogan  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:36:10pm

re: #82 SpaceJesus

No, It’s all Bieber stuff right now

That’s OK if you’re into Bieber; he’s now legal too, so there ya go.

///

112 I Am Kreniigh!  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:38:32pm

This seems to have unintended consequences for good ol’ Republican men who just want a little bit of lovin’.

If they get their way and outlaw birth control, abortion, and out-of-wedlock births, the only safe thing for a woman to do is abstain from premarital sex or insist on getting married first. Republican guys like sex as much as anybody else… Where are they supposed to go for it in their ideal world if they already have an inconvenient wife, or are single and don’t want to get tied down?

Oh, right… Sluts.

113 sagehen  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:42:42pm

re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: I have a legal question:

Is it illegal to take pictures of a neighbor’s yard from over the fence? I want to document a dog poop problem. Specifically, a lazy ass neighbor that doesn’t pick up their dog’s poop.

If it’s his yard, it’s his right to have it full of dogshit.

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:47:59pm

re: #113 sagehen

If it’s his yard, it’s his right to have it full of dogshit.

Not true. It’s a rental unit, so it’s technically not his yard.

Still, even if it was a home owner, not true.

115 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:48:35pm

re: #113 sagehen

Not necessarily. In OH for example, there’s public nuisance laws that include violations for creating a noxious condition:

3767.13 Prohibited acts.
(A) No person shall erect, continue, use, or maintain a building, structure, or place for the exercise of a trade, employment, or business, or for the keeping or feeding of an animal which, by occasioning noxious exhalations or noisome or offensive smells, becomes injurious to the health, comfort, or property of individuals or of the public.

(B) No person shall cause or allow offal, filth, or noisome substances to be collected or remain in any place to the damage or prejudice of others or of the public.

There are probably similar laws/rules in other states. Most likely, you’d have to contact your local health department to get them to come out and find a violation.

116 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:13:21pm

what’s all this about legalizing Demon Parents??

117 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:27:53pm

re: #94 leftynyc

I simply cannot wait until Sarah Palin comments on this.

Yeah, has her daughter baby-momma gotten married yet?

118 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:38:40pm

re: #113 sagehen

If it’s his yard, it’s his right to have it full of dogshit.

Cool, So you wouldn’t mind me burning tires day and night if I lived next door to you?

119 Greup  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 2:12:58pm

Funny thing is the name Grothman is pronounced and spelled eerily similar to Grottman- a swedish word for Caveman.

Kinda appropriate I think.

120 Funky_Gibbon  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 2:17:43pm

Holy crap. Just when you thought they couldn’t get any more dumb. It’s like they’re actively trying to piss off all the voters.

121 sunnygal  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 3:19:52pm

There is more to the bill than what was posted. The very last sentence says, “emphasize …the role of fathers in the primary prevention of child abuse and neglect.” This is already in the bill before the proposed amendment.

Can’t someone clue in these legislators that fathers and stepfathers are the primary child sex abusers in the family unit?

Here’s the full text of the bill as proposed:

docs.legis.wisconsin. gov/2011/related/proposals/sb507

122 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 3:46:45pm

re: #121 sunnygal

Ugh.

123 sunnygal  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 6:40:16pm

re: #44 thatthatisis

I’m still shaking my head.

If a single woman is raped, this is the situation under the Replubicans’ ideal world:

1) If she doesn’t get pregnant because she’s on birth control, she’s a slut
2) If she gets pregnant but aborts, she’s guilty of murder
3) If she gets pregnant and keeps the child, she’s guilty of child abuse.

Don’t you just love these people? They’re so cute.

That’s kind of what a woman in the Unite Against the War on Women video says, but I like what you said better.

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