Obama on CNN: Russia’s Proposal for Syria a Potential ‘Positive Development’

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Obama: Russia’s Proposal for Syria a Potential ‘Positive Development’.

President Barack Obama told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in an interview on Monday that Russia’s proposal for Syria to turn over its chemical weapons stockpile to international control was a “positive development” that will be seriously considered, but he warned it could be a stall tactic. Obama added that a breakthrough was possible if the idea was “real.”

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1 Balfour Rage  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:20:16pm

Not a single dime, Mr. President. Not a single dime. $1.6T and counting in those dumpster fires of Iraq and Afghanistan.

2 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:20:36pm

OK, here’s the deal Assad. We won’t prosecute you for using chemical weapons on your citizens as long as you turn in said weapons. After that you can go back to killing your citizens with conventional weapons. Deal?

3 Major Tom  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:21:08pm

Rubio: “There is a lot of questions on how something like that would work…”

That would be the point, no?

4 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:25:27pm


Any slower and it could be completely irrelevant. With some luck.

5 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:26:11pm

Thank you so much GOP, for making the American public so disgusted with politics they say gassing civilians in their home is okay.

6 Was Shellie Zimmerman Wearing A Hoodie???  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:26:22pm

Well all those dirty anti war hippies in the Republican party should be pretty happy about this!

/

7 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:27:35pm

“Vladamir Putin caves under pressure to use of military force and offers to disarm Syria’s chemical weapon inventory.”

8 Jack Burton  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:28:24pm

re: #5 Kragar

Thank you so much GOP, for making the American public so disgusted with politics they say gassing civilians in their home is okay.

Emoprogs are far from innocent on this subject as well.

9 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:32:48pm

re: #8 Jack Burton

Emoprogs are far from innocent on this subject as well.

Yeah, but they’ve been consistent on it. The GOP was all for war with no evidence and beat the war drums so long that when we actually have a case where intervention should be seriously considered, no one wants to listen.

10 b.d.  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:34:28pm

Bachmann, King and Ghomert can stop by Syria and bring Assad’s chemical weapons home with them, since they’re in the neighborhood and all.

11 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:38:16pm

still trying to figure out why putin volunteered to save obama’s ass

what’s in it for him?

12 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:39:19pm

re: #11 dog philosopher

still trying to figure out why putin volunteered to save obama’s ass

what’s in it for him?

Being the “Peace” maker

13 erik_t  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:40:31pm

re: #11 dog philosopher

still trying to figure out why putin volunteered to save obama’s ass

what’s in it for him?

If Assad falls, it’s in everyone’s best interests that a big pile of chemical weapons not go curiously missing in the chaos of nine million rebel splinter groups. As has been discussed by all sides of this discussion, there are some not very nice folks who might like to get their hands on them.

Russians don’t like the threat of gas any more than Americans do.

14 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:41:55pm
15 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:42:18pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

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+1

16 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:42:38pm

I’m honestly starting to believe that in some not to distant future North Korea would lob a nuke at South Korea and people would be calling for no wars and some negotiated settlement.

17 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:42:40pm


After those two, I follered that feller.

18 BishopX  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:43:03pm

Russia may also want to preserve Syria as a client state. The odds of that happening are much better if the US doesn’t start bombing.

19 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:43:32pm
20 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:44:07pm

re: #16 Gus

I’m honestly starting to believe that in some not to distant future North Korea would lob a nuke at South Korea and people would be calling for no wars and some negotiated settlement.

If the world would be provided with another M*A*S*H as a result, they’d say ‘Yes!’

21 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:46:13pm
22 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:47:02pm

DERP

23 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:47:25pm

Am I the only one who thinks that there is a zero chance that Assad would give up his chemical weapon supply?

24 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:47:37pm

re: #11 dog philosopher

still trying to figure out why putin volunteered to save obama’s ass

what’s in it for him?

Superbowl ring.

25 Was Shellie Zimmerman Wearing A Hoodie???  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:48:41pm

re: #23 NJDhockeyfan
No you are not!

26 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:49:11pm

re: #16 Gus

I’m honestly starting to believe that in some not to distant future North Korea would lob a nuke at South Korea and people would be calling for no wars and some negotiated settlement.

I don’t know about that but I think the Mullahs feel pretty good about the future of their nuclear project.

27 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:49:29pm

DERP

28 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:49:39pm

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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Why, he’s making a subtle reference to Benghazi, isn’t he. Except for the subtle part.

29 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:50:23pm

DERP

30 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:50:27pm

re: #23 NJDhockeyfan

Am I the only one who thinks that there is a zero chance that Assad would give up his chemical weapon supply?

Yup.

31 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:50:30pm

re: #23 NJDhockeyfan

Am I the only one who thinks that there is a zero chance that Assad would give up his chemical weapon supply?

He’ll give up as much as he has to but as we’ve seen before this stuff is easy to hide and we’ll never really be sure.

32 EPR-radar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:50:51pm

re: #23 NJDhockeyfan

Am I the only one who thinks that there is a zero chance that Assad would give up his chemical weapon supply?

If Russia takes this seriously, I think they could apply enough leverage to pretty much have Assad do anything.

33 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:50:58pm

Erick ben Erick is Derpin’ up a storm.

34 Skip Intro  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:51:09pm

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

Did he draw that all by himself?

35 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:51:18pm
36 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:52:14pm

Yeah, I totally trust the Russians to make sure the Syrians “disarm”. Its not like the Russians would have anything to hide when it comes to Syrian arms programs.
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37 Skip Intro  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:52:20pm

God, what a bitch.

38 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:52:31pm

re: #35 Gus

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Explain to me again how she got elected.

39 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:52:32pm

re: #34 Skip Intro

Did he draw that all by himself?

Doubtful, he can’t draw a round circle.

Probably had a grade 6 class do it.

40 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:52:36pm

re: #35 Gus

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Seriously? That’s her? Jesu Christie, what a fucking moron.

41 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:52:48pm

re: #35 Gus

Quiet Sarah, grown ups talking.

42 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:52:49pm

I hereby nominate Vladimir Putin to be the next Bond villain.

43 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:55:13pm

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

Explain to me again how she got elected.

Using everything she learned winning the Miss Wasilla beauty pageant.

44 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:55:37pm

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

I hereby nominate Vladimir Putin to be the next Bond villain.

He isn’t already?

45 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:55:53pm

DERP

46 Skip Intro  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:57:20pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

That’s really stupid, even by Fischer standards.

47 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:57:24pm

Can someone translate this from Glennese?

48 EPR-radar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:58:00pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer really is a world-class projectionist. Fischer is the one who wants to run everybody’s life.

49 klys  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:58:04pm

re: #47 Vicious Babushka

It’s along the lines of “I don’t care if all countries spy on other countries, it’s still wrong!”

50 Stanley Sea  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:58:11pm

re: #6 Was Shellie Zimmerman Wearing A Hoodie???

Well all those dirty anti war hippies in the Republican party should be pretty happy about this!

/

Upding for sure for the new nic.

51 jimmyvluv4u  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:58:15pm

re: #47 Vicious Babushka

All spying is bad? That’s the best I can come up with there.

52 FurryNavyDude  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:58:18pm

Definition of Luck: When preparation meets opportunity.

Obama and Putin were apparently chatting this idea up at the G20.

Fucking Obama really is playing 11-dimensional chess and we’re all just watching from the sidelines trying to understand the first few pages of the rules manual.

53 erik_t  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:58:19pm

re: #47 Vicious Babushka

Can someone translate this from Glennese?

PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEEE

54 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:58:20pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

That’s really stupid, even by Fischer standards.

It’s projection.

Why Bryan wants to go to war though he is a Christian: he’s a Christian- wants to run EVERYBODY’S life.

55 simoom  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:58:48pm

The stupid, it burns:


How is it she’s still employed at CBS? Particularly after her BS “hacked by the DOJ” Right-Wing media tease a few months ago that everyone is now pretending never happened.

56 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:58:56pm

DERP

57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:58:57pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

VB, this might be fun. Also, President Obama is a Star Trek fan, so he might particularly like the Vulcan Overload picture along with the birth announcement…

If you send a birth announcement to the White House…

Who knows? Worth a stamp anyway…

58 Stanley Sea  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 4:59:22pm

Putin just wants glory, whatever, let the little man have it. Just get this over with.

59 Was Shellie Zimmerman Wearing A Hoodie???  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:00:09pm

re: #35 Gus
So I was talking with a client today and we got on the subject of FedEx and UPS. He said they have been having a lot of problems with them lately but he knows why, Obamacare. He said Companies can’t afford it because its so expensive so they are all cutting back on employees and slowly going out of business. He said even his company will probably have to shut its doors because of it, and individuals will have to leave the country because they will be made to get it, but can’t afford it.

Geezus.

60 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:00:54pm

re: #47 Vicious Babushka

Can someone translate this from Glennese?

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I think he’s trying to explain the genetic fallacy.

61 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:02:35pm

Wolf Blitzer’s interview caused many facepalms today.




62 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:02:54pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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So, why exactly did we go into Iraq then?

63 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:03:28pm

re: #59 Was Shellie Zimmerman Wearing A Hoodie???

So I was talking with a client today and we got on the subject of FedEx and UPS. He said they have been having a lot of problems with them lately but he knows why, Obamacare. He said Companies can’t afford it because its so expensive so they are all cutting back on employees and slowly going out of business. He said even his company will probably have to shut its doors because of it, and individuals will have to leave the country because they will be made to get it, but can’t afford it.

Geezus.

Tell them to come to Canada.

64 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:03:34pm

It’s really wrong that Wolf Blizter looks kind of intelligent.

65 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:03:48pm

re: #62 Kragar

So, why exactly did we go into Iraq then?

That was different! Because shut up, that’s why!

66 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:04:56pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

VB, this might be fun. Also, President Obama is a Star Trek fan, so he might particularly like the Vulcan Overload picture along with the birth announcement…

If you send a birth announcement to the White House…

Who knows? Worth a stamp anyway…

I sent POTUS & FLOTUS an invitation to my daughter’s wedding, and we got this back from the White House.

67 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:05:19pm
68 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:05:23pm

re: #64 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s really wrong that Wolf Blizter looks kind of intelligent.

It’s the beard. I lost 10 apparent IQ points when I shaved mine off. Plus people expect Germans - and folks with German surnames - to be smart, for some reason. Didn’t the Germans follow some jokeer in a Charlie Chaplin moustache off a cliff?

69 EPR-radar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:06:53pm

re: #52 FurryNavyDude

Definition of Luck: When preparation meets opportunity.

Obama and Putin were apparently chatting this idea up at the G20.

Fucking Obama really is playing 11-dimensional chess and we’re all just watching from the sidelines trying to understand the first few pages of the rules manual.

Obama must have conspired with Putin to distract from Benghazi.

How dare a US president respond to complex situations as they develop over time.

70 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:08:37pm
71 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:09:15pm

re: #64 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s really wrong that Wolf Blizter looks kind of intelligent.

I don’t now. He’s looking more toward the creepy side today.

72 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:09:46pm
73 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:11:10pm

re: #71 NJDhockeyfan

The word ‘professionalism’ has basically lost all meaning outside of the Special Forces, the Cleveland Clinic, and Joe Coffee in NYC.

74 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:11:26pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

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Is that a selfie?

75 simoom  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:12:19pm

re: #55 simoom

BTW, here’s Attkisson’s latest persecution conspiracy theory. People upset with her over her bizarre autism murder story are all AstroTurfers:

Tommy Christopher: CBS News Should Retract Report Excusing Mother’s Murder of Autistic Child

People with Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASDs) are routinely slandered in the news media, even by parents of autistic children, but nothing comes remotely close to a CBS News report that sickly excuses the murder of 14 year-old Alex Spourdalakis by his mother and an accomplice. The report has spurred a petition to have CBS News take it down, but they really need to air a complete retraction, and discipline everyone involved in this travesty.

On Friday’s CBS This Morning, reporter Sharyl Attkisson delivered a report that was fatally flawed on several levels, but I hesitate to even mention the reporting itself, because even if everything in the report was 100% above-board and true, it would not support the sick conclusion that permeates it: that Alex Spourdalakis’ mother had no choice but to murder him. This sounds like an exaggeration, surely, but it is not. This was the explicit message of CBS News’ report.

76 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:12:27pm
77 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:12:53pm

When did Wolf Blitzer jump the shark?

78 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:12:55pm

Anyone can call themselves a journalist. Only those who take that seriously and are rigorous in their methods deserve to be called one.

79 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:13:21pm


Carry on.

80 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:14:09pm

re: #79 Gus

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Carry on.

And why would some random Syrian doctor call up a person like Richard Engel?

81 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:14:30pm

re: #16 Gus

I’m honestly starting to believe that in some not to distant future North Korea would lob a nuke at South Korea and people would be calling for no wars and some negotiated settlement.

We are presently at war with North Korea, in an extended truce. They don’t get to Seoul until they have gone through several of our bases, including Camps Casey, Red Cloud, Collier, Oullet and firebases like 4 Poppa 3. Could have changed a bit since my retirement.

82 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:15:03pm

re: #79 Gus

If that’s true, then they would have become AQ sooner or later anyway.

83 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:15:05pm

re: #79 Gus

Considering the FSA actually aided the Al-Nusra front in the sacking and subsequent violence on a Christian Village, this has already happened. Help the refugees, don’t attack.

84 BishopX  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:15:07pm

Fun.

The BNP is backing Assad…

Cached version of a nasty link

85 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:15:08pm

If klys is here I have a question regarding Calibre. I went to the website and the download went into my download folder. According to Calibre I should drag it to my desktop. I cannot get it to move anywhere.

86 klys  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:17:18pm

re: #85 PhillyPretzel

If klys is here I have a question regarding Calibre. I went to the website and the download went into my download folder. According to Calibre I should drag it to my desktop. I cannot get it to move anywhere.

You are on a Mac, yes?

Double-click on the file (which I believe is a .dmg) in your downloads folder and it will “mount” another drive. Inside that drive should be the application, which you can drag to your desktop.

87 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:17:45pm

re: #62 Kragar

So, why exactly did we go into Iraq then?

why are western states square but middle eastern states are triangular?

88 b.d.  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:17:53pm

re: #79 Gus

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Carry on.

If you don’t help me I’ll kill you. They already sound like great guys, what could go wrong?

89 b.d.  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:19:04pm

The more I look at our foreign policy and domestic congressional gridlock the more I think that Miley Twerking is what is good and right about America.

90 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:19:51pm

re: #80 Eclectic Cyborg

And why would some random Syrian doctor call up a person like Richard Engel?

Who the hell is Richard Engel?

91 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:20:30pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Not particularly surprised about that. The academic question is who suggested the idea, but the fact is that it’s now a potential way of dealing with a thorny issue. It’s a potential way for Obama to avoid having to commit military force since it’s likely that the onus of military action would fall on the Russians to remove the CW from Syria. Putin gets to maintain Assad’s Syria as a continuing client state but rids himself of the thorny issue of CW usage. Gets to sidestep the issue of whether Assad directed their use himself or whether 3d parties involved.

Lots of logistical issues to consider, not the least of which is securing passage of those weapons out of the country. Remains to be seen.

92 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:21:14pm

re: #86 klys

It has the blue line under the download folder. I double click on it and it is highlighted in blue and will not move. I have downloaded things before and once the blue line appears under the icon I had to wait for it to completely load.

93 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:21:40pm

re: #89 b.d.

The more I look at our foreign policy and domestic congressional gridlock the more I think that Miley Twerking is what is good and right about America.

Then you’ll love this:

nymag.com

(Has a lot of pop-ups that disappear quickly.)

94 Gus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:21:41pm

Oh brother. Later.

95 Stanley Sea  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:23:54pm

re: #64 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s really wrong that Wolf Blizter looks kind of intelligent.

Nah, more like Santa Next Door.

96 b.d.  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:24:41pm

re: #90 b_sharp

Who the hell is Richard Engel?

Richard Engel @RichardEngel
Verified account
@nbcnews Chief Foreign Correspondent
nbcnews.to

One of the shining stars in a sea of bullshit.

97 klys  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:24:59pm

re: #92 PhillyPretzel

Hmm.

Once it completely loads, double click again and look to see if there’s another drive that shows up (either on the desktop or to the left when looking at the file structure window - can’t remember the name and not currently running any of my Macs).

At some point you have to pull the application out of the file that you download and you do that by mounting the .dmg (which will show up as another hard drive, essentially). Inside that will be the application and that’s what you drag to the desktop.

98 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:26:01pm

World’s Most Beautiful WomanTM cuts off a school bus, endangers herself & child passenger.

Youtube Video

99 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:26:34pm

re: #97 klys

Okay. It is downloading as I type. It is about 1/3 the way through.

100 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:26:47pm

re: #64 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s really wrong that Wolf Blizter looks kind of intelligent.

nice jewish boys shouldn’t have names that sound like nazi comic book superheroes

101 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:28:26pm

To be fair, the military strike plan was never intended to do anything to stop the wider war Assad is waging with conventional weapons. If the diplomatic approach can actually get control of the chemical weapons in a reasonable timeframe, it seems like a better solution to that narrowly defined problem.

102 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:29:26pm

Maybe Obama had to agree to take Snowden back.

103 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:32:35pm

Dudebros can be insufferable you know.

104 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:33:59pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

To be fair, the military strike plan was never intended to do anything to stop the wider war Assad is waging with conventional weapons. If the diplomatic approach can actually get control of the chemical weapons in a reasonable timeframe, it seems like a better solution to that narrowly defined problem.

So we go back to the calculus of acceptable killings at an acceptable rate.
Note that Assad’s civil war is running about 1/6th the casualties of ours, at a stage equivalent to 1861-63.

105 Skip Intro  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:34:12pm

In discussing the Big Syria News today, Charles Pierce has come up with another name for Senator Graham: Huckleberry J. Butchmeup.

Not bad.

106 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:37:20pm

re: #64 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s really wrong that Wolf Blizter looks kind of intelligent.

He looks like a non-retarded version of Richard Cohen, who in turn looks like he might have fathered the Atlanta Zoo’s baby pandas.

107 Lidane  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:38:19pm

Worth an RT, I think:

Half Of Us Are Victims Of This Illegal Act After College. It’s Really Not OK.

108 compound_Idaho  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:39:08pm

re: #52 FurryNavyDude

Definition of Luck: When preparation meets opportunity.

Obama and Putin were apparently chatting this idea up at the G20.

Fucking Obama really is playing 11-dimensional chess and we’re all just watching from the sidelines trying to understand the first few pages of the rules manual.

More like he is being whipped at tic-tac-toe. The bad guys propose and will agree to negotiate some grand inspection or weapons turn over plan. It will take 6 months? a year? 2 years? I predict never. In the mean time they pay no price. Everyone will soon forget, and they will continue to on as before.

We will take the offer, to get off the political hook, look very reasonable, fool a lot of people, and accomplish zip, zero, nada.

I am however in favor to accepting the offer to negotiate. I still think this is a mess we need to do our best to stay out of. Is that the 11th dimension play?

109 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:40:20pm

re: #108 compound_Idaho

More like he is being whipped at tic-tac-toe. The bad guys propose and will agree to negotiate some grand inspection or weapons turn over plan. It will take 6 months? a year? 2 years? I predict never. In the mean time they pay no price. Everyone will soon forget, and they will continue to on as before.

We will take the offer, to get off the political hook, look very reasonable, fool a lot of people, and accomplish zip, zero, nada.

I am however in favor to accepting the offer to negotiate. I still think this is a mess we need to do our best to stay out of. Is that the 11th dimension play?

Well, if he’s made you happy, that should count for at least 9 dimensions.

110 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:41:24pm

re: #107 Lidane

Worth an RT, I think:

Half Of Us Are Victims Of This Illegal Act After College. It’s Really Not OK.

It’s a way for the 1% to keep the riff-raff, who somehow graduated college after taking on huge burdens of student loans, out of the really good jobs.

111 A Mom Anon  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:42:18pm

re: #55 simoom

Oh this freaking asshole is also the one who did a story on a mom who murdered her autistic son and made the mom the victim. The Murder of Alex Spourdalakis This alone should have got her fired.

edited to add: I scrolled down a bit and see you have it covered. She’s a horrrible person.

112 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:44:26pm

Klys the Calibre has completed its download. I was thinking I could put it in launchpad. Does that sound good?

113 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:44:42pm

Question:
If there was a US strike, would Russia have to back Assad?
I don’t know what kind of arsenal Russia has, if it’s Soviet quality ( not a compliment), or if they have any desire to get into it with the U.S.

114 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:47:21pm

re: #113 OhNoZombies!

Question:
If there was a US strike, would Russia have to back Assad?
I don’t know what kind of arsenal Russia has, if it’s Soviet quality ( not a compliment), or if they have any desire to get into it with the U.S.

Not finding that out is the cherry on the ice cream sundae.

115 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:47:29pm
116 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:50:26pm
117 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:51:02pm
118 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:51:47pm

dox me baby with your robo-spam
all night long until the 0xFFFF hour

119 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:55:09pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

Not finding that out is the cherry on the ice cream sundae.

Cause I’m just thinking, the last thing a KGB guy would want is to get into another war in the Middle East.

120 klys  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:55:24pm

re: #112 PhillyPretzel

Klys the Calibre has completed its download. I was thinking I could put it in launchpad. Does that sound good?

Sure. Just make sure that you have it moved out of the drive that the .dmg made, so that you can hit the “eject” button on that drive and it will still work.

121 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:55:26pm

Kerry envisions ‘unbelievably small’ Syrian military operation

i don’t even feel like writing the joke

122 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:56:14pm

re: #119 OhNoZombies!

Cause I’m just thinking, the last thing a KGB guy would want is to get into another war in the Middle East.

But he’d love to tangle us up in another.

123 EPR-radar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:57:11pm

re: #121 dog philosopher

Kerry envisions ‘unbelievably small’ Syrian military operation

i don’t even feel like writing the joke

Well that certainly seems like an idiotic thing for Kerry to say.

124 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:58:30pm

re: #123 EPR-radar

Well that certainly seems like an idiotic thing for Kerry to say.

Last good invasion was 4 helicopters and 30 or so guys.

125 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 5:58:47pm

re: #120 klys

My Mac is telling me it is from an unidentified developer and cannot be opened. Dang.

126 EPR-radar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:00:31pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

But he’d love to tangle us up in another.

If (big if) the US is able to accomplish real non-proliferation and no further use of Assad’s chemical weapons by obliging Russia to live up to its statements regarding CW and non-proliferation, that would be a respectable outcome, especially give the lack of any good options.

127 klys  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:02:07pm

re: #125 PhillyPretzel

My Mac is telling me it is from an unidentified developer and cannot be opened. Dang.

You can get around that. There’s a nice walkthrough with screencaps here.

128 Stanley Sea  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:02:24pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

But he’d love to tangle us up in another.

EXACTLY

129 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:03:34pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

But he’d love to tangle us up in another.

It’s nice to have a CIC who looks before he leaps.

130 Stanley Sea  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:03:50pm

I’m off to watch Breaking Bad. Heard there was an unbelievable shootout, as in not believable. Oh well, away I go.

See ya later!

131 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:04:24pm

re: #121 dog philosopher

Kerry envisions ‘unbelievably small’ Syrian military operation

i don’t even feel like writing the joke

Here I’ll help.

Image: Air-Force-Drone-Dragonfly-615x345.jpg

132 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:05:24pm

Why I stopped following Jay Rosen. A prime promoter of hysteria.

133 austin_blue  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:05:26pm

I didn’t realize the chinless opthalmologist had such a lisp. Assad is being interviewed on PBS right now.

134 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:07:14pm

Klys I just changed the gatekeeper and it is downloading. How long does it take?

135 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:08:03pm

re: #131 Amory Blaine

Here I’ll help.

Image: Air-Force-Drone-Dragonfly-615x345.jpg

en.wikipedia.org

136 klys  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:08:42pm

re: #134 PhillyPretzel

Klys I just changed the gatekeeper and it is downloading. How long does it take?

Unsure? Are you redownloading Calibre? You should be able to just run the one you downloaded before, now that you’ve changed that setting.

137 Stanley Sea  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:09:51pm

And….fuck Time Warner again.

Not on Demand yet, it usually is by now.

138 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:12:22pm

That post by the Johns Hopkins professor? Still online.

A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: On the NSA

That evil NSA must have missed it.

139 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:13:26pm

re: #136 klys

I do not feel good right now. I will read the instructions and try to get it to work a little later.

140 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:15:19pm

Hilarious, and gross:

141 compound_Idaho  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:15:42pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

Well, if he’s made you happy, that should count for at least 9 dimensions.

I was thinking more 5th dimension “Age of Aquarius”

Youtube Video

142 Stanley Sea  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:16:00pm

Is it me? Isn’t there usually 1 Monday night football game? Tonight there’s 2?

Call me confused.

143 ObserverArt  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:16:24pm

re: #96 b.d.

Richard Engel @RichardEngel
Verified account
@nbcnews Chief Foreign Correspondent
nbcnews.to

One of the shining stars in a sea of bullshit.

He is decent. And I doubt he means anything by the tweet other than what he typed. No agendas with him usually. He is just reporting that some are getting restless.

It’s not like Syrian resisters are the only ones to spout political bullshit to gain some points or attempt to sway things. Just listen to our congress.

144 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:18:13pm
145 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:20:13pm
146 Belafon  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:24:43pm

re: #59 Was Shellie Zimmerman Wearing A Hoodie???

Did you mention that most of Obamacare hasn’t kicked in yet?

147 b.d.  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:27:21pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

Help! Help! I’m being repressed!

148 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:27:28pm

OT: Finally got the poetry ebook published!

Editing and formatting took longer than anticipated but I must say I am quite pleased with the finished product. It’s set to go live on the Kindle store tomorrow morning.

149 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:39:24pm
150 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:39:47pm

i figure the syria pitch tomorrow nite will be aimed at wingnuts

like, assad and teh mullahs are buddies, so bombing assad is just like bombing mullahs

151 prairiefire  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:41:28pm

re: #129 OhNoZombies!

It’s nice to have a CIC who looks before he leaps.

Yes! The fact that Assad did not authorize the strike makes a direct hit on him complicated.

152 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:42:31pm

Klys I am going to try it tomorrow. I might even head to the Apple Store over the weekend to get my kindle loaded with my saved collection. That is the main reason why I got the kindle.

153 urbanmeemaw  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:44:30pm

re: #47 Vicious Babushka

Blah President wants to drone you. I think.

154 prairiefire  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:47:04pm

re: #142 Stanley Sea

Is it me? Isn’t there usually 1 Monday night football game? Tonight there’s 2?

Call me confused.

Who are the Chiefs playing? I’m surprised the tv’s not on.

155 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:47:21pm

re: #151 prairiefire

Yes! The fact that Assad did not authorize the strike makes a direct hit on him complicated.

Say what?

156 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:50:43pm

re: #151 prairiefire

Yes! The fact that Assad did not authorize the strike makes a direct hit on him complicated.

I think he did, or it was his brother, in which case it was still him.

157 prairiefire  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:56:30pm

From the Christian Science Monitor ~German newspaper Bild am Sonntag reported yesterday that intercepted Syrian regime communications indicate that a chemical weapons attack did occur – but without Assad’s approval.
The Guardian reports that a German surveillance ship operated by Berlin’s intelligence service heard regime forces repeatedly request permission to use chemical weapons but that Assad “blocked numerous requests.”
But the intercepts tended to add weight to the claims of the Obama administration and Britain and France that elements of the Assad regime, and not renegade rebel groups, were responsible for the attack in the suburb of Ghouta, Bild said.
…
The German intelligence findings concerning Assad’s personal role may complicate US-led efforts to persuade the international community that punitive military action is justified. They could also strengthen suspicions that Assad no longer fully controls the country’s security apparatus.
Addressing a closed meeting of the German parliamentary committee last week, the BND chief Gerhard Schindler said his agency shared the US view that the attack had been launched by the regime and not the rebels. But he said the spy agency had not [had] conclusive evidence either way, German media reported.
Schindler said that BND had intercepted a telephone call in which a high-ranking member of Hezbollah in Lebanon told the Iranian embassy in Damascus that Assad had made a big mistake when he gave the order to use the chemicals, the magazine Der Spiegel said.”

This explains the reportedly intercepted “chatter” right after the attack where the Syrian Generals were freaking out “Who did that?” “We weren’t supposed to do that.” I think they are ruling out the AQ type rebels. If it was one of Assad’s generals (likely) he could be dead by now. Many intelligence believe Assad did not directly order the strike.

158 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:56:55pm

Young Arizona ‘Exorcists’ Set Out to Save England From Harry Potter

/facepalm

159 klys  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:57:31pm

re: #152 PhillyPretzel

If you were local to me, I would offer to come over and help because it is something that’s pretty straightforward to do in person but less easy to explain over the Internet. :)

I have no doubt that you can get the books on the Kindle. Just will need to be a little bit of elbow grease to get there.

160 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:57:33pm

re: #142 Stanley Sea

Is it me? Isn’t there usually 1 Monday night football game? Tonight there’s 2?

Call me confused.

They have been doing this for the first Monday night of the year for a few years now…seems like a scheme to make sure part of the country misses a significant portion of each game to me.

161 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:58:36pm

I think the issue for me was that the military actions could escalate, and I don’t have a clear idea on who stands where.

162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:59:31pm

re: #158 Kragar

Young Arizona ‘Exorcists’ Set Out to Save England From Harry Potter

/facepalm

Their Daddy has books to sell! And fancy exorcist crosses!

163 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:00:05pm

re: #158 Kragar

Young Arizona ‘Exorcists’ Set Out to Save England From Harry Potter

/facepalm

What I see is a chance for a deeply-divided nation to heal itself by bonding over the elaborate gaslighting of three wannabe exorcists and the gormless reality-tv audience that followes them.

164 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:01:34pm

re: #158 Kragar

Young Arizona ‘Exorcists’ Set Out to Save England From Harry Potter

/facepalm

Always thought that religious crazy like the witchcraft panics, and political crazy like the Red Scare, would naturally just burn themselves out. Still waiting.

165 Belafon  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:05:11pm

re: #158 Kragar

I think I saw that movie.

166 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:07:49pm

Pretty sure I made some waves in the Anonymous anarchist community today.

167 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:11:08pm

Russell Crowe can’t carry a tune in a waterproof backpack. You would think that at least he could lip synch and they dub in the voice of an actual trained baritone.

168 EPR-radar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:12:35pm

re: #157 prairiefire

Interesting. That certainly seems like the kind of thing that could get Putin interested in a real non-proliferation exercise.

169 simoom  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:14:34pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

arstechnica.com

Johns Hopkins has confirmed to Ars that “we did not receive any inquiry from the federal government about the blog or any request from the government to take down the mirror site. (Or of course, the personal site, though that never was taken down and we never asked that it be taken down).”

Federal gov’t had nothing to do with it? Hey no problem. New narrative. It’s actually all about the chilling effect of the Manning and Barrett Brown prosecutions!! ///

theatlanticwire.com

Johns Hopkins University Falls Victim to the NSA Chilling Effect

…

The story ends well, but all is not well. Both of the school’s concerns bring to mind other recent cases suggesting that the request to Green was less a mistake or aberration than another point in an uncomfortable trend.

First, the case of Chelsea Manning. The most serious charge Manning faced was that of “aiding the enemy,” a charge predicated on her having shared classified documents with Wikileaks which she knew would be published online which she knew that al Qaeda would read. Ergo: Manning intended to aid the enemy.

It’s an argument that seems specious on its face — but it was one taken seriously by the military judge trying Manning’s case. She was eventually found not guilty of the charge, but as her attorney David Coombs suggested, the very concept that sharing information online that could be read by an enemy of America constituted a crime was a “very slippery slope, of basically punishing people for getting information out to the press.”

The Green situation also brings to mind the case of Barrett Brown. On Sunday, The New York Times’s David Carr presented the history of Brown’s charges from the federal government. Largely for posting a link to a cache of documents stolen from Sratfor Global Intelligence in an online chat room, Brown faces over a century in prison.

170 darthstar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:16:20pm
171 simoom  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:16:31pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

Pretty sure I made some waves in the Anonymous anarchist community today.

Don’t you mean “hacktivists”? Got to love sympathetic press euphemisms. ///

172 darthstar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:17:35pm
173 darthstar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:18:00pm

That’s one of my favorite Obama pics. Thanks for RTing it into my TL, Gus.

174 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:18:17pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

Pretty sure I made some waves in the Anonymous anarchist community today.

“MOM! MORE POPTARTS! PULLIN’ AN ALL NIGHTER!”

175 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:18:42pm


While on stage, Brand told the gathered celebrities and politicians, ‘If anyone knows a bit about history and fashion, you know it was Hugo Boss who made uniforms for the Nazis.’

He then added, with less than subtle irony, ‘But they looked fucking fantastic, let’s face it, while they were killing people on the basis of their religion and sexuality.’

176 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:19:02pm

The big push to legitimize Barrett Brown has really started.

reddit.com

177 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:19:42pm

Kevin Drum hyperventilates:

motherjones.com

178 Kragar  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:19:56pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

The big push to legitimize Barrett Brown has really started.

reddit.com

Trying to cash in on that Snowden sympathy from the Dudebros.

179 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:21:33pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

Kevin Drum hyperventilates:

motherjones.com

All he did was “post a link”?

Bullshit.

180 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:23:32pm

OT: Sorry but #WTF? It’s 9/11—yay!—let’s golf?

181 simoom  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:26:07pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

The big push to legitimize Barrett Brown has really started.

Wonderful. / All this media martyrdom & whitewashing of assorted anarchists, vigilantes, criminals and saboteurs is maddening.

182 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:36:55pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

Just had a friend check their FB page. Apparently it’s for real and at the moment they’re backpedaling and apologizing profusely. What freaking genius thought that crap up? Good grief. *facepalm*

183 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:37:39pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

Kevin Drum hyperventilates:

motherjones.com

I keep seeing the claim of 105 years for posting a link. I’d be curious to know how much of that potential time was from the link of the death threats to the FBI agent.

184 Stanley Sea  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:41:17pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

OT: Sorry but #WTF? It’s 9/11—yay!—let’s golf?

[Embedded content]

Hey…..enough time has passed?

w t f

185 simoom  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:48:13pm

re: #183 Killgore Trout

I keep seeing the claim of 105 years for posting a link. I’d be curious to know how much of that potential time was from the link of the death threats to the FBI agent.

This was linked to in the comments of that reddit submission Charles posted:

popehat.com

People reporting on federal criminal justice — whether journalists or bloggers — routinely report on the statutory maximum sentence that a defendant could hypothetically get, an oft-ridiculous figure calculated by taking all the charged crimes and adding up the maximum punishment for each. …

The problem is this number — the sum of the maximum sentence for all the crimes charged in a federal case — usually bears almost no relation to the sentence the defendant actually faces.

Responsibility is not a zero-sum game. The Department of Justice, and its constituent U.S. Attorney’s Offices, bear responsibility for repeating statutory maximums in their press releases bragging of indictments. Journalists and bloggers bear responsibility for repeating those numbers uncritically, especially if they repeat the “THAT’S MORE THAN YOU’D GET FOR DOUBLE-MURDER” meme.

186 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:49:30pm

It’s kind of a shame that Mother Jones can’t get their shit in one bag. It’s certainly biased but shows occasional hope with thought provoking editorials. Bummer they can’t manage to advance beyond generic leftist populism.

187 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:51:31pm
Gov. Chris Christie signs law requiring notification before out-of-state counter-terrorism investigations in New Jersey

TRENTON — Out-of-state law-enforcement agencies doing counter-terrorism surveillance in New Jersey risk having a state judge block their snooping unless they let county officials know in advance.

State lawmakers devised the proposal following reports about surveillance efforts by the New York Police Department involving Muslim businesses, mosques and Rutgers University student organizations in New Jersey, and Gov. Chris Christie signed the bill into law Monday.

“As a former U.S. Attorney appointed in the aftermath of September 11, 2001, I strongly believe we need to do everything in our power to prevent terrorist attacks on our country and keep our people safe,” Christie said. “I also believe we must protect and maintain civil liberties, especially those of the citizens in New Jersey’s Muslim community. This bipartisan legislation will help us reach that balance.” […]

188 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:54:22pm

re: #185 simoom

This was linked to in the comments of that reddit submission Charles posted:

popehat.com

With someone like Barrett they might throw the book at him. I’m sure the feds would love to fuck over his lawyers who have previously secured light sentences for terrorists. Barrett is also cocky, shows no remorse and can’t keep his mouth shut. The feds may fuck him.

189 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:55:44pm

BTW, Barrett got very upset with me when I told him the feds were probably already monitoring him.

190 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 8:08:54pm

re: #184 Stanley Sea

Hey…..enough time has passed?

w t f

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking.

“Commodification of 9/11—is it still to soon?”

Um, yeah. In 100 freaking years it’ll still be too soon.

191 sagehen  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 8:38:57pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

OT: Sorry but #WTF? It’s 9/11—yay!—let’s golf?

[Embedded content]

Now watch this drive!!

192 Good Morning  Tue, Sep 10, 2013 6:26:16am

Good work Russia! What’s Russia’s proposal for reducing healthcare costs?

193 chadu  Tue, Sep 10, 2013 7:33:59am

re: #89 b.d.

The more I look at our foreign policy and domestic congressional gridlock the more I think that Miley Twerking is what is good and right about America.

Appropos of that..

boingboing.net

Youtube Video


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