At Rand Paul’s African-American Outreach Event: A Roomful of White People

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The Republican Party’s Great White Hope, the guy who said he would have voted against the Civil Rights Act, is being sent on an outreach mission to African Americans, and no, you can’t make this stuff up.

In Detroit today, promoting his latest ridiculous scam (“economic freedom zones”), Sen. Paul took his message of outreach to the black community by speaking to a room full of white folks: Largely White Audience Turns Out to Hear Rand Paul Speak at African-American Outreach Event.

Paul then went to a larger grassroots event at the Grace Bible Chapel, where there were protesters from the civil rights group National Action Network outside. The online invitation said the event was intended to “celebrate the opening of our African-American Engagement Office in Detroit.”

Tracking footage from the Democratic super PAC American Bridge 21st Century, however, shows an overwhelmingly white audience ended up turning out:

Detroit is approximately 83 percent African-American.

Paul also spoke Friday at the Detroit Economic Club, where he proposed a plan to revitalize U.S. cities through the creation of “economic freedom zones,” which would cut federal taxes in communities that have an unemployment rate of 12 percent or higher.

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1 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 5:54:16pm
2 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 5:56:40pm

Rand Paul’s Plan For Detroit:


1. Abolish all teh taxes!!
2. Abolish all teh yoonyunz!!
3. Bring in all teh Richs!!
4. Give teh non-yoonyunz jrrbs for whatever they will take!! EVEN A NICKEL.
5. Loot teh Art Treasures & Everything that isn’t nailed down!
6. If it’s nailed down, pry out the nails!
7. ???
8. PROFITS!!!!!!

3 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 5:58:15pm

“Paul also touted his new economic plan for the bankrupt city of Detroit and other inner cities.

The Economic Freedom Plan would cut corporate and individual income tax rates to a flat 5 percent, suspend capital gains taxes, expand business expensing tax breaks, suspend environmental regulations and open up more immigration visas in troubled areas.”
thehill.com

4 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 5:58:31pm

Why is Senator Rand Paul (KY-Jelly) in Detroit?

5 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 5:58:53pm
6 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 5:58:56pm

re: #4 Gus

Why is Senator Rand Paul (KY-Jelly) in Detroit?

Putting on a show.

7 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:00:12pm
8 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:00:48pm

“suspend environmental regulations”


Think about that one for a second. As if environmental problems would agree to stay within the borders of an “economic freedom zone.”

9 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:02:06pm

which would cut federal taxes in communities that have an unemployment rate of 12 percent or higher

obviously we should accuse democrats of rewarding failure here except oh wait

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:02:25pm
11 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:02:55pm

cut federal taxes

and also um for whom exactly?

surely not for unemployed people…

12 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:03:00pm

re: #8 jaunte

Think about that one for a second. As if environmental problems would agree to stay within the borders of an “economic freedom zone.”

Fucking idiot. What does he think, that toxic cloud will disappear as soon as it reaches 8 Mile Road?

13 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:03:41pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

He has the same plan for eastern Kentucky:

Senator Paul announces “economic freedom zones” to help eastern Kentucky

Meh. Eastern Kentucky labor is far to much for American corporations. They’ll stick with China.

14 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:04:30pm

“We just dump the chems here in the stream where it runs through the Economic Freedom Zone, and whoosh, it gets carried downstream. Problem solved, Libertarian-style!”

15 b.d.  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:05:09pm

From Freeper Stockman running against Cornyn thread

Stockman is the guy who brought Nugent to Obama’s inaugural and has been one of the leading figures in the ‘impeach Obama’ movement. Guy is solid.

freerepublic.com

16 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:05:55pm

economic freedom zones

he would free them from having economies

17 Skip Intro  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:06:53pm

Charles Pierce’s into to his Aqua Buddha piece.

The blog’s Five Minute Rule regarding any political statement made by a member of the Paul family, especially Crazy Uncle Liberty (!) (Ret.) and his bag-of-hammers spalpeen, brogressive mancrush Senator Aqua Buddha, was tested severely by the latter over the past few days. First, Aqua Buddha unlimbered himself of the opinion that all would be well in Detroit if we just turned it into a free-enterprise enclave along the lines of the maquiladores towns in Mexico, or the Northern Marianas Islands.

18 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:08:32pm

Because everyone knows when a business gets a tax cut, it means the workers get more pay and more people get hired.

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19 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:09:17pm

HURR HURR Take away the lazy moocher’s unemployment free money and they’ll be so desperate they won’t hold out for another $60,000 engineering job like they had at GM, no siree they’ll be happy to work at Walmart for $2/day!!!!

THEIR WILL BE NO MINIMUM WAGE IN TEH ECONOMIC FREEDOM ZONE!!!!!

20 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:10:28pm
21 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:10:43pm

re: #19 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR Take away the lazy moocher’s unemployment free money and they’ll be so desperate they won’t hold out for another $60,000 engineering job like they had at GM, no siree they’ll be happy to work at Walmart for $2/day!!!!

THEIR WILL BE NO MINIMUM WAGE IN TEH ECONOMIC FREEDOM ZONE!!!!!

I didn’t read that in the article. What’s you’re source on the minimum wage?

22 Skip Intro  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:11:22pm

re: #18 Kragar

Because everyone knows when a business gets a tax cut, it means the workers get more pay and more people get hired.

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What everybody should know is when that happens, every body else gets a tax increase or a loss of services to make up the difference.

Just more GOP trickle-up economics at the expense of everybody else.

23 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:12:26pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t read that in the article. What’s you’re source on the minimum wage?

Teh Twitters.

25 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:14:13pm

re: #23 Lord of the Pies

Teh Twitters.

From Senator Paul or one of his critics?

26 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:15:11pm
27 darthstar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:15:48pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

From Senator Paul or one of his critics?

Senator Paul is fine. Everyone loves him. Even people of color. Stand your ground.

28 Skip Intro  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:16:18pm

re: #24 Lord of the Pies

Ron Paul: Abolish miminum wage to “help poor people”

And Medicare, too, since it’s a mandate. Them’s the Paul Family Values.

29 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:16:23pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

From Senator Paul or one of his critics?

Rand Paul waffles question about minimum wage.

Unlike daddy who flat out wants to abolish the minimum wage, Rand just blows off the question because he knows it will make him unpopular.

30 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:17:39pm

I think it is safe to say that Rand Paul is totally down with minimum wage being abolished in his “Economic Freedom Zones”

31 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:17:56pm

That would make a pretty good contest - the all-time cheesiest and/or blatantly deceptive Republican title for a program, policy or piece of legislation. There have been so many.

32 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:18:00pm

re: #19 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR Take away the lazy moocher’s unemployment free money and they’ll be so desperate they won’t hold out for another $60,000 engineering job like they had at GM, no siree they’ll be happy to work at Walmart for $2/day!!!!

THEIR WILL BE NO MINIMUM WAGE IN TEH ECONOMIC FREEDOM ZONE!!!!!

seriously imho the plan to force the american workforce several steps down the economic ladder doesn’t seem to be working fast enough for some people hence the calls to cut off unemployment and cut the minimum wage

33 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:18:49pm

America has morphed into Rock Ridge and the politicians are speaking frontier gibberish.

34 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:19:06pm

Actually it was always Rock Ridge.

35 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:19:06pm

re: #30 Lord of the Pies

I think it is safe to say that Rand Paul is totally down with minimum wage being abolished in his “Economic Freedom Zones”

Contention Accepted.

36 darthstar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:19:21pm

re: #29 Lord of the Pies

Rand Paul just wants to know what he can lie about and get away with it so he can move up the political ladder. That a self-certified opthamologist is now one of the leading voices in the Republican party speaks volumes about just how fucked up they are.

37 Skip Intro  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:19:24pm

re: #30 Lord of the Pies

I think it is safe to say that Rand Paul is totally down with minimum wage being abolished in his “Economic Freedom Zones”

No minimum wage, no environment or worker protections, and low taxes for the “job creators”.

That’s 19th Century Capitalism the way God designed it.

38 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:19:56pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

That would make a pretty good contest - the all-time cheesiest and/or blatantly deceptive Republican title for a program, policy or piece of legislation. There have been so many.

why do you hate oceania??

39 Skip Intro  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:20:31pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

“Compassionate Conservatism”

40 b.d.  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:20:33pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

That would make a pretty good contest - the all-time cheesiest and/or blatantly deceptive Republican title for a program, policy or piece of legislation. There have been so many.

Clear Skies Initiative

41 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:20:39pm

Rand Paul is to economic development for poor people what Col. Sanders is to career progression for chickens.

RBS

42 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:20:43pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

The Student Success Act would “end more than 70 federal education programs and the federal government’s metrics for measuring school performance.”
en.wikipedia.org

43 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:20:51pm

Defense of Marriage Act.

44 darthstar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:20:52pm

Da Bears are doing a pretty good job on Dallas so far - yeah, the game’s tied, but they’re hitting the Cowboys and sacking Romo like a muppet. That makes me smile.

45 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:21:10pm

The good senator from Kentucky seems to think that Michigan’s elected leaders don’t know what enterprise zones are about? Or that Michigan hasn’t tried any number of economic development credits and incentives over the years, to little effect in stemming the tide of population shifts out of Detroit to warmer climates?

He’s offering up the same rewarmed and rehashed programs that people on both sides of the aisle have proposed.

Michigan has had enterprise zone credits (no longer under the corporate income tax, but the Michigan Business tax had one before 2012).

But it rather humorous to watch Paul pitch himself for outreach to the African American community and there was nary one to be found in the crowd. How does that work, exactly.

46 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:21:42pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Defense of Marriage Act.

Though a lot of Dems supported that and Bill Clinton signed it.

47 Skip Intro  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:22:04pm

“Operation Iraqi Freedom”

48 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:22:43pm

re: #44 darthstar

Da Bears are doing a pretty good job on Dallas so far - yeah, the game’s tied, but they’re hitting the Cowboys and sacking Romo like a muppet. That makes me smile.

Touchdown, Chicago! Josh McCowan runs the ball in 6 yards, and jumps in for the TD. Bears 14, Cowboys 7.

49 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:23:01pm

re: #42 jaunte

>The Student Success Act would “end more than 70 federal education programs and the federal government’s metrics for measuring school performance.”
en.wikipedia.org

Well duh. If we don’t test them then nobody will know how badly we are failing in education. Problem solved.

RBS

50 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:23:25pm

re: #45 lawhawk

Yes, he’s basically talking about an enterprise zone with some libertarian anti-union hooey added to the mix.

51 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:23:28pm

re: #49 RealityBasedSteve

Success!

52 b.d.  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:23:54pm
Death Tax
54 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:24:54pm

re: #52 b.d.

That was a successful relabeling, though. the name stuck and support for the estate tax fell.

55 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:25:16pm

I don’t know why the GOP keeps saying they’re against wealth redistribution. They certainly have no problem with it as long as it keeps going up to the rich.

56 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:25:18pm

Kentucky already has economic development zones/enterprise zones. They’ve done such a great job that Kentucky has an 8.4% rate, while Michigan has a 9% unemployment rate.

For comparison purposes, NY has a 7.7%, NJ has 8.4%, CA has 8.7% and many of the fracking-boom states have low unemployment: ND, SD and NE have rates under 4%.

bls.gov

57 darthstar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:25:44pm

Ditka for president? Puhleeze. Politically, the t is silent in his name.

58 Skip Intro  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:26:38pm

re: #55 Kragar

I don’t know why the GOP keeps saying they’re against wealth redistribution. They certainly have no problem with it as long as it keeps going up to the rich.

I remember listening to Limbaugh saying that was impossible.

59 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:26:51pm

“The congressman’s legislation is called the SENSE Act, which stands for Satisfying Energy Needs and Saving the Environment.”

Rothfus Introduces Bill to Relax Emissions Standards for Some Coal-Fired Power Plants

60 klys  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:27:23pm

re: #55 Kragar

I don’t know why the GOP keeps saying they’re against wealth redistribution. They certainly have no problem with it as long as it keeps going up to the rich.

If only I were rich and could take advantage of it ….

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61 GeneJockey  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:30:01pm

re: #33 Gus

America has morphed into Rock Ridge and the politicians are speaking frontier gibberish.

Gus Johnson is right!

62 ObserverArt  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:30:57pm

Damn,,,the whole lot of you moved. Probably a good signal to shut down. Have a nice evening everyone.

Remember red is positive…black is negative. And if they touch the whole thing could short out.

63 Uncle Obdicut  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:32:02pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

That was a successful relabeling, though. the name stuck and support for the estate tax fell.

And our low estate taxes continue to make a mockery of the idea of a ‘level playing field’. And kind of incidentally ruin rich kid’s lives, too.

I just finished up some Durkheim work, and I’d forgotten about his stuff on suicide. In Durkheim’s day, he found the highest number of suicides among the wealthiest classes. He identified this sort of suicide as ‘egoistical’ suicide, where there are no natural limits to check you, you know that you’ll never accomplish anything and feel that it’s really yours because of the advantages you started with— there’s no satisfaction to life.

Obviously, this doesn’t mean every rich, unbound person who inherited their wealth kills themselves. But out of the kids of really rich parents I know, only two of them aren’t severely fucked up, and they were the two that were most shielded from privilege.

64 krypto  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:32:33pm

I don’t get it. How is cutting federal income taxes in an area with low employment going to solve anything?

The people who don’t have jobs have low incomes and aren’t the ones paying serious federal income taxes in the first place. It seems like a hand out to the well-employed for living in a neighborhood where other people are unemployed.

65 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:32:42pm

re: #60 klys

If only I were rich and could take advantage of it ….

///

GET A NEW JOB AND WORK HARDER, YOU LAZY HIPPY!

66 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:32:59pm

re: #63 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

And our low estate taxes continue to make a mockery of the idea of a ‘level playing field’. And kind of incidentally ruin rich kid’s lives, too.

I just finished up some Durkheim work, and I’d forgotten about his stuff on suicide. In Durkheim’s day, he found the highest number of suicides among the wealthiest classes. He identified this sort of suicide as ‘egoistical’ suicide, where there are no natural limits to check you, you know that you’ll never accomplish anything and feel that it’s really yours because of the advantages you started with— there’s no satisfaction to life.

Obviously, this doesn’t mean every rich, unbound person who inherited their wealth kills themselves. But out of the kids of really rich parents I know, only two of them aren’t severely fucked up, and they were the two that were most shielded from privilege.

“Richard Corey”

67 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:33:33pm

re: #53 Lord of the Pies

How an Ayn Rand-worshipping Maniac Destroyed Sears.

Favorite part of that article…

Crazy Eddie has been one of America’s most vocal advocates of discredited free-market economics, so obsessed with Ayn Rand he could rattle off memorized passages of her novels. As Mina Kimes explained in a fascinating profile in Bloomberg Businessweek, Lampert took the myth that humans perform best when acting selfishly as gospel, pitting Sears company managers against each other in a kind of Lord of the Flies death match. This, he believed, would cause them to act rationally and boost performance.

If you think that sounds batshit crazy, congratulations. You understand more than most of America’s business school graduates

Let’s see, if Bob, the manager of that division looks good, then I look bad. The only rational thing to do is to undercut Bob, so I look good. Multiply by the various divisions and factions that would form and it would make Survivor look like a gathering of innocent lambs.

WTF!!! Where I work we do NOT view success as a “Zero Sum Game”. We cooperate to try to make sure all of us do well, since if one of us looks good, we all look good.

RBS
Who is too honest most of the time to do well in corporate world

68 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:33:42pm
69 ObserverArt  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:33:53pm

Oh…forgot to mention. Rand Paul’s hair sucks. He probably thinks he is the shit style wise. Hint…some styles make some people look really stupid. In this case he doesn’t need to look stupid as that is a given. So doubling down makes you an asshat.

That’s it…

70 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:34:26pm

Yay, a minority thread!! Let me introduce you to Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Here’s a Google return if you want to cache their site (JPFO.org).

google.com

Shit’s gettin’ weird, kiddies.

71 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:35:51pm

re: #67 RealityBasedSteve

Lampert took the myth that humans perform best when acting selfishly as gospel, pitting Sears company managers against each other in a kind of Lord of the Flies death match.

It’s the House of Cards theory of governance.

72 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:35:56pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Yay, a minority thread!! Let me introduce you to Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Here’s a Google return if you want to cache their site (JPFO.org).

google.com

Shit’s gettin’ weird, kiddies.

Class of 2004 baby! //

73 GeneJockey  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:36:27pm

re: #45 lawhawk

The good senator from Kentucky seems to think that Michigan’s elected leaders don’t know what enterprise zones are about? Or that Michigan hasn’t tried any number of economic development credits and incentives over the years, to little effect in stemming the tide of population shifts out of Detroit to warmer climates?

He’s offering up the same rewarmed and rehashed programs that people on both sides of the aisle have proposed.

Michigan has had enterprise zone credits (no longer under the corporate income tax, but the Michigan Business tax had one before 2012).

But it rather humorous to watch Paul pitch himself for outreach to the African American community and there was nary one to be found in the crowd. How does that work, exactly.

Thinking he’s the smartest one in the room seems to come naturally to the man who asked a Howard University audience how many knew that the founders of the NAACP were Republicans.

74 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:37:14pm

re: #71 jaunte

It’s the House of Cards theory of governance.

Or possibly Game of Thrones. (but with fewer naked women) (one would assume)

RBS

75 Uncle Obdicut  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:37:24pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Yay, a minority thread!! Let me introduce you to Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Here’s a Google return if you want to cache their site (JPFO.org).

google.com

Shit’s gettin’ weird, kiddies.

Academia is weird. I just used a speech that Burke made against Jewish immigration to Britain to show that he would have hated the modern GOP.

76 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:37:41pm

re: #66 Lord of the Pies

“Richard Corey”

Youtube Video

77 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:37:58pm
78 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:39:39pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Yay, a minority thread!! Let me introduce you to Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Here’s a Google return if you want to cache their site (JPFO.org).

google.com

Shit’s gettin’ weird, kiddies.

I remember some of those guys used to post at Free Republic. They think Pamela is a stone fox hottie.

79 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:40:17pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

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It was a poem by Edward Arlington before it was a song by Simon & Garfunkel.

80 klys  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:40:23pm

Off to the next bar, Lizards.

This final deserves a bar crawl.

81 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:40:27pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

It’s hilarious listening to someone in the US Senate proclaiming solutions for another state (with a GOP Governor no less) with something that said governor helped eliminate (the state phased out its enterprise zones when they switched from the Michigan Business Tax to the corporate income tax).

If Paul wanted to see enterprise zones, he could have stuck around to run in the KY legislature and push his ideas there (even though the state’s unemployment rate is marginally better than MI). Instead, he thinks people will go and buy his nonsense on the federal level.

Krypto:
The idea is that low tax rates will encourage people to move to the area and invest there with their businesses. That doesn’t exactly work out when people have moved away because of physical climate (prefer warmer weather) and the former industries have become more efficient and in less need of manpower. Unless you’re encouraging new tech and diversification, those plans will fall short.

In NJ, we’ve got enterprise zones, including in towns like Paterson, which is near to more affluent areas like Fair Lawn, Paramus, Glen Rock and Ridgewood. The enterprise zone includes reduced sales tax rates to encourage people to shop there and there are corporate tax breaks as well, but the outcome was decidedly mixed.

82 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:44:36pm

re: #79 Lord of the Pies

It was a poem by Edward Arlington before it was a song by Simon & Garfunkel.

That I did not know. I’d encountered it as a song on Simon & Garfunkel’s Sounds of Silence album. But I’m not surprised, given how they used poems as source of their songs.

But I always found this next song from that album impacted me the most, as an example of who I do not want to be:

Youtube Video

83 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:45:07pm

re: #78 Lord of the Pies

I remember some of those guys used to post at Free Republic. They think Pamela is a stone fox hottie.

They’re holding hands with the Oathkeepers now.

84 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:45:20pm
85 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:45:35pm

Meanwhile, conspicuous consumption reaches a new low: a gold-leafed wagyu/truffle burger that isn’t really all that good:

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:48:01pm

re: #85 jaunte

Meanwhile, conspicuous consumption reaches a new low: a gold-leafed wagyu/truffle burger that isn’t really all that good:

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Sorry, but that just looks gross.

88 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:48:55pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

That would make a pretty good contest - the all-time cheesiest and/or blatantly deceptive Republican title for a program, policy or piece of legislation. There have been so many.

The “Blue Skies” Initiative to relax pollution standards.

89 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:49:04pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yup. Diminishing returns on the “how much money can you shove into your mouth at one meal” question.

90 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:49:15pm

re: #85 jaunte

Meanwhile, conspicuous consumption reaches a new low: a gold-leafed wagyu/truffle burger that isn’t really all that good:

[Embedded content]

Ewww.

91 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:50:00pm

What kind of a super rich slob would eat that shit?

92 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:50:26pm

re: #91 Lord of the Pies

Some of the Houston oil traders, I bet.

93 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:50:51pm

re: #91 Lord of the Pies

What kind of a super rich slob would eat that shit?

One that runs out of hummingbird tongues.

94 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:52:15pm
95 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:52:26pm

re: #85 jaunte

That looks awful.

Bergen County has one heck of a burger battle going on.

We’ve got classics like White Manna. Dutch House.

We’ve got up and coming places like Bucu.
We’ve got new standards like Bobby’s Burger Palace, Shake Shack, Smashburger, and Five Guys as chains. Boom Burger. The list goes on.

All of them tasty in their own way - whether it’s the meat, preparations, or sauces used. But this one is just nutty. Doesn’t look appealing, and can’t eat it as a sandwich.

96 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:54:32pm

re: #94 Lord of the Pies

I see #9 also has some gold leaf stuck on it, just to up the ante.

97 b.d.  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:56:02pm

re: #85 jaunte

Meanwhile, conspicuous consumption reaches a new low: a gold-leafed wagyu/truffle burger that isn’t really all that good:

[Embedded content]

that article is pretty good. he goes to the restaurant with a food critic to review the burger:

Alison ordered the $200 burger and a stack of onion rings. There’s something for you: Alison is an onion ring freak. I ordered chicken schnitzel with German potato salad, reasonably priced, $18.

The waiter made small talk with us. He asked if this was our first visit to the restaurant. I said, yes, we met on match.com and this was our first date. I told the waiter, after Alison ordered the $200 burger, that this would be our last date, too.

Women are supposed to order cheap on the first date. That’s the rule.

98 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:56:30pm

re: #96 jaunte

I see #9 also has some gold leaf stuck on it, just to up the ante.

I mean srsly.

People are literally EATING GOLD. WTF.

What’s the point? That stuff is not edible, do they catch their golden poops?

99 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:57:29pm

re: #98 Lord of the Pies

This is one of the problems with the high end of the income inequity balance; it makes the rich crazy.

100 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:57:42pm

Price = Quality is true at a certain fundamental level. There is a point at which there is a sweet spot (think best value for the money overall), and beyond that point the curve starts to flatten out. Yes, you get more quality for more money up to a certain point, and after that you are paying mainly for status, exclusivity and in the case of many middle aged men with fast cars, to make up for other lacks or deficiencies.

That is just wrong however. Judging from the juice flowing off, the best thing I can say is that at least the idiot didn’t order it “Well Done”.

RBS

101 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:57:51pm

re: #99 jaunte

This is one of the problems with the high end of the income inequity balance; it makes the rich crazy.

Channelling Caligula and Tiberus?

102 Uncle Obdicut  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:58:28pm

The best meal I’ve ever eaten, taken as a whole, was probably at Calle Ocho on the anniversay of Cuban Independence, when the Cuban chef prepared a heartfelt and technically stunning series of courses. Unlike that stupid ass-piled gold-slapped burger, the courses were wonderfully balanced. A white bean puree combined with a small pork chop was just goddamn amazing.

But it’s hard to make a hierarchy of meals. Some of my mom’s meals, my wife’s, hell, even my own have just been so enjoyable in the moment—and food always tastes better with friends.


… and now I’m hungry.

103 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:58:35pm

“World’s Leading Authors” does that include the person who wrote “50 Shades of Gray”?

104 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:58:50pm

re: #98 Lord of the Pies

I mean srsly.

People are literally EATING GOLD. WTF.

What’s the point? That stuff is not edible, do they catch their golden poops?

Do they come from “The Golden Hind”?

RBS

105 Uncle Obdicut  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 6:59:36pm

re: #100 RealityBasedSteve

Have you ever read Veblen’s The Theory of the Leisure Class? It’s a really brilliant examination of why people do stupid conspicuous consumption and conspicuous waste.

106 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:00:49pm
107 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:01:56pm

re: #105 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Have you ever read Veblen’s The Theory of the Leisure Class? It’s a really brilliant examination of why people do stupid conspicuous consumption and conspicuous waste.

No… but I will have to make a point to now. If I can’t find a copy on engraved golden plates, bound in virgin albino whale skin, I’ll get it for my tablet tomorrow.

Thanks,

RBS

108 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:02:39pm

re: #107 RealityBasedSteve

No… but I will have to make a point to now. If I can’t find a copy on engraved golden plates, bound in virgin albino whale skin, I’ll get it for my tablet tomorrow.

Thanks,

RBS

Here is the link. I was just looking it up. No audio, I think. :(

109 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:02:44pm

re: #96 jaunte

Thing is that I get paying serious money for a fatty tuna from Masa or Waygu steaks at Old Homestead. Those are truly great restaurants and those are dishes that are pricey because of the ingredients involved.

But burgers for hundreds of bucks? Sorry, I just don’t get that.

It’s spending for the sake of spending, and restaurants trying to outdo each other for reputation and noteriety.

110 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:03:24pm

re: #104 RealityBasedSteve

Do they come from “The Golden Hind”?

RBS

Leave Sir Francis Drake out of this!

/

111 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:04:22pm

re: #91 Lord of the Pies

What kind of a super rich slob would eat that shit?

Someone with more money than sense.

112 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:04:25pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Leave Sir Francis Drake out of this!

/

I’m glad SOMEBODY caught it.

RBS
Who always giggled in grade school… the golden HIND

113 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:04:29pm
114 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:04:46pm

re: #105 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Have you ever read Veblen’s The Theory of the Leisure Class? It’s a really brilliant examination of why people do stupid conspicuous consumption and conspicuous waste.

“The quasi-peaceable gentleman of leisure… not only consumes… beyond the minimum required for subsistence and physical efficiency, but his consumption also undergoes a specialization as regards the quality of the goods consumed. He consumes freely and of the best, in food, drink, narcotics, shelter, services, ornaments, apparel, weapons and accoutrements, amusements, amulets, and idols or divinities. …Since the consumption of these more excellent goods is an evidence of wealth, it becomes honorific; and conversely, the failure to consume in due quantity and quality becomes a mark of inferiority and demerit.”

115 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:07:20pm

re: #94 Lord of the Pies

World’s Most Expensive Meals.

Now, that $350 steak, that is something I’d enjoy eating. That $200 burger is an abomination.

116 Uncle Obdicut  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:08:25pm

This is simply the best stock gif that has ever existed, or ever will exist:

Image: c1kbgHd.gif

117 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:10:15pm

re: #114 jaunte

Since the consumption of these more excellent goods is an evidence of wealth, it becomes honorific; and conversely, the failure to consume in due quantity and quality becomes a mark of inferiority and demerit.”

Which still exists today. Wearing a generic polo shirt to the club for golf, rather than a Lacoste; driving a Buick rather then a Lexus; having a mac, rather than a computer.

RBS
Who will find out if anybody reads this quick enough

118 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:10:56pm

re: #102 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

One of the best meals we had was at a sandwich shack at Tybee Island. Wasn’t expecting much of anything - a quick bite for lunch, but it was one of the best prepared rare tuna steak sandwiches with wasabi glaze, and a fresh pesto pizza, all served with sweet tea. Under $30 IIRC.

I’ve spent more that and been disappointed. Sometimes the name and reputation are well deserved - Husk in Charleston, Charlie Palmer’s in DC, Bistro Jeanty and Tra Vigne in Napa Valley. Other times, I’ve been disappointed - Becco in NYC was great first time (we got engaged there) but the follow up was quite disappointing - way too salty and uneven prep.

And now I’m getting hungry - and thinking about where to go on my next trip…

119 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:11:50pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

Someone who wants to flaunt it and then claim that they ate it for the sake of bragging.

120 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:12:44pm

re: #94 Lord of the Pies

World’s Most Expensive Meals.

121 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:13:31pm


cost seems low. I have to wonder about the costs of foster care, the justice system, counselling services and the long-term cost of PTSD in the children.

122 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:14:38pm

re: #120 Gus

Next up, the even more expensive dessert made from 254 Walmart employees.

123 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:15:51pm

re: #104 RealityBasedSteve

Do they come from “The Golden Hind”?

RBS

i saw a ‘hind’, but it wasn’t golden…

124 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:16:17pm

Best meal I’ve ever had in a restaurant, (and I come from a family that has produced a few chefs in it’s day) was at a place in Chattanooga, TN. An appetizer of cheese, olives and salami, dinner was Rack of lamb with tapenade, asparagus risotto, and microgreens (meh on micro-greens, they are decoration). For desert just an espresso with a 1/2 spoon of sugar.

Entire tab was under 35 bucks, I can still think of that meal after 4 years, see the presentation, taste every bit of it.

RBS

125 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:18:14pm

re: #122 jaunte

Next up, the even more expensive dessert made from 254 Walmart employees.

Solyent Gold???

RBS

126 Lidane  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:18:46pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Trickle-down economics comes to mind. So does compassionate conservatism.

127 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:19:05pm

re: #98 Lord of the Pies

I mean srsly.

People are literally EATING GOLD. WTF.

What’s the point? That stuff is not edible, do they catch their golden poops?

You would be amazed how little substance there is to gold leaf. Thickness is typically around 1/200,000th to 1/300,000th of an inch. One ounce can be hammered out to 300 square feet. ( hypertextbook.com )

I have tasted Danziger Goldwasser — not exactly a luxury item — and the suspended gold leaf is utterly undetectable. (The fact it’s suspended, not sitting in the bottom of the bottle, is revealing.)

Final takeaway from my Googlery was that gold actually has a food additive number: E175,

128 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:19:31pm
129 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:22:20pm

re: #99 jaunte

This is one of the problems with the high end of the income inequity balance; it makes the rich crazy.

Youtube Video

130 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:23:48pm

re: #120 Gus

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Pfft. Come on over for one of our Golden Sunset Mimosas.

$1400 each, but it does come with a 1 Toz Krugerrand.

131 calochortus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:23:57pm

re: #105 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Have you ever read Veblen’s The Theory of the Leisure Class? It’s a really brilliant examination of why people do stupid conspicuous consumption and conspicuous waste.

There’s also this book dealing with how corporations are buying up luxury brands and selling essentially the name and/or logo without the quality of goods it implies.

132 calochortus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:24:42pm

re: #128 Gus

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It’s a two-fer since it’s also in appallingly bad taste.

133 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:25:42pm

re: #132 calochortus

It’s a two-fer since it’s also in appallingly bad taste.

Yeah, just a bunch of dumb diamonds. Great industrial uses though.

134 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:26:42pm

I see these foods and restaurants and figure the wait staff and “bus boys” are the few that are making a living wage.

It’s all so backasswards.

135 calochortus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:26:48pm

re: #133 Gus

Yeah, just a bunch of dumb diamonds. Great industrial uses though.

Too many plastered together.

136 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:27:49pm

re: #119 lawhawk

Someone who wants to flaunt it and then claim that they ate it for the sake of bragging.

That I do not understand.

137 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:28:03pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

And yet, in my small town, 30+ year old restaurants are closing.
Go figure!

138 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:28:10pm

An old SNL skit… from WAY back in the day.

Youtube Video

RBS

139 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:28:48pm

re: #135 calochortus

Too many plastered together.

Yeah, well, if it’s done by an true artist, with superior stones, it can be magnificant to behold.

the points properly aligned to catch and disperse the light.

*ggt swoons*

One has to be a visual artist, I guess, to understand.

There is an indescribable beauty in gemstones and minerals.

140 Lord of the Pies  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:28:55pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

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I also liked Judy Collins’ cover of that song.
Youtube Video

141 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:31:09pm
142 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:32:48pm
143 calochortus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:33:43pm

re: #139 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, well, if it’s done by an true artist, with superior stones, it can be magnificant to behold.

the points properly aligned to catch and disperse the light.

*ggt swoons*

One has to be a visual artist, I guess, to understand.

There is an indescribable beauty in gemstones and minerals.

I do not disagree in any way that gemstones and minerals are very beautiful. I just prefer a greater degree of simplicity.
For example, I think individual pieces of Chihuly glass are very beautiful, but many of the installations are just overwhelmingly cluttered. Obviously many people disagree with me.

edit: not that glass is a mineral or anything.

144 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:35:03pm

Best restaurant meal I ever had was from a sushi place in downtown Tokyo.

145 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:35:25pm

re: #137 Dancing along the light of day

And yet, in my small town, 30+ year old restaurants are closing.
Go figure!

You must not live near Wall Street or DC.

146 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:36:46pm

re: #144 Kragar

Mine was at this place:
veeraswamy.com
First Indian restaurant in London.

147 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:37:13pm

re: #144 Kragar

Best restaurant meal I ever had was from a sushi place in downtown Tokyo.

Best ever for me
Baseball cut steak at the steak Joynt, sadly now gone.

Best Japanese has got to be Nobu Las Vegas.

148 bratwurst  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:39:17pm

re: #142 FemNaziBitch

Now that’s c-c-c-cold: Antarctica sets record of -135.8 degrees!

Wingnuts are already trumpeting this story all over the internet as evidence against global warming…because it’s cold in Antarctica!

149 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:39:41pm

re: #147 Political Atheist

Matsuhisa in LA!
Nom nom nom!

150 Lidane  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:40:09pm

re: #147 Political Atheist

Best Japanese has got to be Nobu Las Vegas.

I didn’t make it to Nobu when I was in Vegas, but I did get to hit Sushi Roku, which was really good.

151 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:41:56pm

Well, I have to go. I’ve got a customer that wants a 120 dollar fountain pen, and will pay extra if I can get it to him by the 16th. I don’t think that’s an unfair price for the time, material and labor that goes into one of mine.

I’ve got to check what I’ve got in stock and make an order for what I need. Talk at ya all later.

RBS

152 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:44:29pm

re: #143 calochortus

I do not disagree in any way that gemstones and minerals are very beautiful. I just prefer a greater degree of simplicity.
For example, I think individual pieces of Chihuly glass are very beautiful, but many of the installations are just overwhelmingly cluttered. Obviously many people disagree with me.

edit: not that glass is a mineral or anything.

I find that the more complex the piece —jewelry or other media—the more flaws can be camouflaged. If the design is simple, the elements have to be flawless or they will stand out.

153 jaunte  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:45:20pm

re: #152 FemNaziBitch

Same with drawings. That’s why I like to use a lot of lines.

154 Uncle Obdicut  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:45:24pm

I need to stop procrastinating and get back to paper-writing.

155 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:45:28pm

re: #151 RealityBasedSteve

Well, I have to go. I’ve got a customer that wants a 120 dollar fountain pen, and will pay extra if I can get it to him by the 16th. I don’t think that’s an unfair price for the time, material and labor that goes into one of mine.

I’ve got to check what I’ve got in stock and make an order for what I need. Talk at ya all later.

RBS

actually, for a custom piece, I think it sounds cheap.

considering what Mont Blanc charges.

156 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:46:41pm

Best steak I’ve had? Probably Hugo’s Cellar in Vegas, although Alpine Inn in Hill City, SD and the Idle Spurs Steakhouse in Barstow CA.

Sushi? Tossup bewteen Sakura Bana in Ridgewood NJ and Masa in Allendale NJ.

157 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:47:14pm

re: #153 jaunte

Same with drawings. That’s why I like to use a lot of lines.

I saw a sketch done by Picasso once in a gallery. A corner of one of his sketch books framed —(asking several thousands of dollars for it). Anyway, it was a few single lines forming the shape of a women from behind—she had a long skirt etc.

no shading, no crosshatching—just perfect.

I was truly humbled by his talent.

158 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:47:41pm

re: #140 Lord of the Pies

I also liked Judy Collins’ cover of that song.
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She also covered this one:

Marat/Sade
Youtube Video

159 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:47:58pm

re: #148 bratwurst

Wingnuts are already trumpeting this story all over the internet as evidence against global warming…because it’s cold in Antarctica!

Someone should tell that it’s the affect of gravity.

:0

160 calochortus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:48:42pm

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

actually, for a custom piece, I think it sounds cheap.

considering what Mont Blanc charges.

That’s what I don’t get about buying a product to show off the logo. You give me $1000 for a pair of shoes and I’m going to find someone to make me a custom pair, not buy some Manolo Blahniks.

161 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:51:04pm

re: #160 calochortus

That’s what I don’t get about buying a product to show off the logo. You give me $1000 for a pair of shoes and I’m going to find someone to make me a custom pair, not buy some Manolo Blahniks.

Yeah, that doesn’t work for the Instant Gratification Factor.

And, most people don’t know you can still find cobblers in the world.

162 calochortus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 7:58:42pm

re: #161 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, that doesn’t work for the Instant Gratification Factor.

And, most people don’t know you can still find cobblers in the world.

I know. One of the nice things about having in the past sold my handwoven stuff is that I got to meet a really wide range of craftspeople and know that there is someone out there, somewhere that will make nearly anything.

163 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:00:56pm

re: #162 calochortus

I know. One of the nice things about having in the past sold my handwoven stuff is that I got to meet a really wide range of craftspeople and know that there is someone out there, somewhere that will make nearly anything.

and now with the internets … .

164 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:01:46pm

Bears just chewing up the Cowboys in the 2nd half. Now 42-14 and the 4th quarter just started.

165 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:03:13pm

Happy Days… don’t have to do a rush order with my supplier. Got all the pieces on hand. Here is what he want’s, only in a fountain pen, rather then a rollerball.

Image: Churchill_1.jpg

Image: Churchill_2.jpg

Part of the cost on this one is that black and gold matrix material (TruStone) is a bear to work with. Super hard, chips if you push it too fast, and likes to crack when you drill it unless you take it slow and keep pulling the bit out and letting it cool. Everytime I do one out of it, I swear it’s my last one, then I look how pretty it comes up and I get weak again.

RBS

166 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:03:19pm

speaking of gemstones.

I was researching opals a while back and TOTALLLY understand opal fever.

I was having physical reactions just from the pictures from one of the mines from Australia.

Seriously.

167 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:03:50pm

re: #164 Feline Fearless Leader

Bears just chewing up the Cowboys in the 2nd half. Now 42-14 and the 4th quarter just started.

The Bears offense has yet to be denied by Dallas. The bears have had the ball 7 times and every possession has resulted in a field goal or touchdown.

168 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:04:23pm

re: #165 RealityBasedSteve

Happy Days… don’t have to do a rush order with my supplier. Got all the pieces on hand. Here is what he want’s, only in a fountain pen, rather then a rollerball.

Image: Churchill_1.jpg

Image: Churchill_2.jpg

Part of the cost on this one is that black and gold matrix material (TruStone) is a bear to work with. Super hard, chips if you push it too fast, and likes to crack when you drill it unless you take it slow and keep pulling the bit out and letting it cool. Everytime I do one out of it, I swear it’s my last one, then I look how pretty it comes up and I get weak again.

RBS

That is beautiful. Black anything is soooooo hard. Any interuption in the surface and the light will show it like the grand canyon.

Excellent work RBS.

169 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:04:35pm

re: #162 calochortus

I know. One of the nice things about having in the past sold my handwoven stuff is that I got to meet a really wide range of craftspeople and know that there is someone out there, somewhere that will make nearly anything.

I bought someone a scarf made from handwoven bamboo for Christmas. Very nice pattern, bright colors, and something I’d be glad to get myself. That’s one reason my brother and I hit the annual craftsman guild sale every year or two.

170 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:05:10pm

re: #166 FemNaziBitch

speaking of gemstones.

I was researching opals a while back and TOTALLLY understand opal fever.

I was having physical reactions just from the pictures from one of the mines from Australia.

Seriously.


There is in them a softer fire than the ruby, there is the brilliant purple of the amethyst, and the sea green of the emerald - all shining together in incredible union. Some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil. ~Pliny, about the opal

RBS

171 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:05:12pm

re: #165 RealityBasedSteve

Happy Days… don’t have to do a rush order with my supplier. Got all the pieces on hand. Here is what he want’s, only in a fountain pen, rather then a rollerball.

Image: Churchill_1.jpg

Image: Churchill_2.jpg

Part of the cost on this one is that black and gold matrix material (TruStone) is a bear to work with. Super hard, chips if you push it too fast, and likes to crack when you drill it unless you take it slow and keep pulling the bit out and letting it cool. Everytime I do one out of it, I swear it’s my last one, then I look how pretty it comes up and I get weak again.

RBS

Your customer has good taste. That pen is elegant, not ostentatious,

172 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:05:47pm

re: #169 Feline Fearless Leader

I bought someone a scarf made from handwoven bamboo for Christmas. Very nice pattern, bright colors, and something I’d be glad to get myself. That’s one reason my brother and I hit the annual craftsman guild sale every year or two.

Sometimes I’ll buy something just because it is so beautiful. Then I don’t want to use it or wear it because I know it will get ruined.

173 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:06:38pm

re: #170 RealityBasedSteve


There is in them a softer fire than the ruby, there is the brilliant purple of the amethyst, and the sea green of the emerald - all shining together in incredible union. Some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil. ~Pliny, about the opal

RBS

OMG! I’ve seen nice ones up close, but the sheer beauty over and over of the multiple pictures on the website was way too much for me.

174 Uncle Obdicut  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:06:42pm

re: #165 RealityBasedSteve

I think I’m going to get one of your things for my wife for Christmas.

175 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:07:26pm

Opals are like the fire of creation—seriously, like some of the pictures we see from NASA.

Nothing else is like them.

176 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:08:01pm
177 calochortus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:08:21pm

re: #163 FemNaziBitch

and now with the internets … .

So true.

By the way, did you see the link I put up last week about the color wheel with the actual location of the primaries for color mixing purposes? Magenta is shifted away from cyan and toward yellow. If you missed it, it’s hereLink

178 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:08:32pm

and how is it unlike any other night?

179 Lidane  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:10:07pm

re: #176 Kragar

Looks like someone needs attention. She needs to STFU and go do more reality shows.

180 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:10:31pm

re: #176 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Is that slag (and I really do mean the term offensively) still alive?

RBS

181 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:11:26pm

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

Sometimes I’ll buy something just because it is so beautiful. Then I don’t want to use it or wear it because I know it will get ruined.

Picture of said scarf:
Image: scarf.jpg

182 calochortus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:12:49pm

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

Sometimes I’ll buy something just because it is so beautiful. Then I don’t want to use it or wear it because I know it will get ruined.

Most of the time you should go ahead and use whatever it is. The older I get the more I like beautiful, useful items. Handwoven dishtowels, hand spun, hand knit sweaters, handmade wooden tools of one sort and another.

183 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:13:22pm

re: #176 Kragar

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What the Fuck? Ms. Nyugen (her real last name) has just proven herself one of the Stormfront crowd.

Geeze, that’s Buchanan-level evil.

184 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:15:23pm

re: #179 Lidane

Looks like someone needs attention. She needs to STFU and go do more reality shows.

She’s not going to get any reality show roles after saying THAT. Open praise of Adolf Hitler automatically loses 98.5% of the American public.

185 calochortus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:15:36pm

re: #181 Feline Fearless Leader

Picture of said scarf:
Image: scarf.jpg

Nice! I’ll bet it has a wonderful drape to it, too

186 Lidane  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:16:45pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

She’s not going to get any reality show roles after saying THAT. Open praise of Adolf Hitler automatically loses 98.5% of the American public.

Given what passes for reality “entertainment” I wouldn’t be surprised if that pathetic cry for attention gets her a show.

187 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:18:12pm

re: #186 Lidane

Given what passes for reality “entertainment” I wouldn’t be surprised if that pathetic cry for attention gets her a show.

Well, as far as I’m concerned she can go fuck herself with a Mauser rifle.

188 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:18:57pm

re: #185 calochortus

Nice! I’ll bet it has a wonderful drape to it, too

Have very nice wool ones there as well. But I know that wool makes the giftee itchy.

189 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:20:44pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

Well, as far as I’m concerned she can go fuck herself with a Mauser rifle.

In the interest of my continued mental health, that is a phase I AM NOT going to google. Nope, won’t do, wouldn’t be prudent.

RBS
I don’t mind a girl having more experience than I do, I mind when she has more experience than the starting lineup of the St. Louis Cardinals.

190 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:28:50pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

It looks like the Mauser shot the thread dead.

191 Lidane  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:29:17pm

10 Reasons Texans Hate Cold Weather

My grad school classmates from the East Coast laughed at the rest of us, when winter came around, but this is so, so true.

192 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:31:09pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

It looks like the Mauser shot the thread dead.

It was DF, in the School Book Repository, With the Mauser. Case Closed.

RBS
I still think Col. Mustard was involved somehow…

193 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:31:49pm

re: #192 RealityBasedSteve

It was DF, the the School Book Repository, With the Mauser. Case Closed.

RBS
I still think Col. Mustard was involved somehow…

He bought the $200 burger.

194 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:31:50pm

48 degrees here.

That is fucking cold for San Diego.

195 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:32:20pm

re: #191 Lidane

Now it’s mostly us West Coast folks. Getting late back east.

196 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:34:25pm

Well, I’ve got retire for the evening. Actually have a couple of students in my class this week sitting in via the web from San Diego. Makes an early (6 am their time) day to start learning .NET programming.

RBS

197 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:34:49pm

And the one time all year I decide to actually turn on the heater, it doesn’t fucking work.

198 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:35:59pm

So I’ve been going through this online training at work and it’s been…interesting.

Among my top complaints:

- The program demonstration videos show older Windows XP versions of the software. Our training systems are running Windows 7 and thus we have updated programs to match, so what we see in the video does not accurately mirror what we’ll be doing.

- The actors playing the callers on the demo videos suck. SOOO fake. At least make an effort to make them kind of sound like real people calling in. Real people aren’t calm and happy all the time.

- Our training systems are not interlinked like the real production systems are, so we have no way to really see how they behave with each other. That stinks because the interlinking of the systems is a key element to what we’ll be doing.

- In one instance, we were made to go through an online training module, then complete an assessment but the assessment questions had NOTHING TO DO with the material from the training module. Definitely a facepalm moment (fortunately I aced the assessment).

- and finally, perhaps I am just a victim of my own intelligence, but I’m one of those people who picks things up quickly and it’s aggravating for me to have to wait for the rest of the training class to catch up when I’m already done. I know there’s nothing that can be done to prevent this but it’s still frustrating. I am not the only person in this position, it’s starting to become clear who the faster learners are.

Overall, I like the job, but I’m ready to be done with training and get into the real thing.

199 calochortus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:38:32pm

re: #197 Kragar

And the one time all year I decide to actually turn on the heater, it doesn’t fucking work.

Perhaps it has been feeling neglected.

200 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:38:38pm

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

I once complained to our HR department that every video showed the middle aged white guy as the bumbling racist fool in the office.

To my surprise, they actually did something about it.

201 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:39:17pm

And the Bears win over the Cowboys, 45-28. Great night for the Bears offense. The defense, however, couldn’t stop the run.

202 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:45:47pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

And the Bears win over the Cowboys, 45-28. Great night for the Bears offense. The defense, however, couldn’t stop the run.

I’d pay to watch bear beat a cowboy.

Oh, you meant football.

Never mind.

203 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:51:23pm

nytol

204 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:55:07pm

The Wasilla Grifter gets another cable channel to buy her schtick:

Sarah Palin announces return to television with FOURTH reality show from her family on little known Sportsman Channel

Why anyone would think hiring a show host who can’t speak in coherent sentences is beyond me.

Good Night, All.

205 The War TARDIS  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 8:59:23pm

A Doctor WHo question I want to see answered:

Would Clara meeting one of her echoes cause a paradox even though she was the one who chose to split herself into echoes?

206 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:03:24pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

The Wasilla Grifter gets another cable channel to buy her schtick:

Sarah Palin announces return to television with FOURTH reality show from her family on little known Sportsman Channel

Why anyone would think hiring a show host who can’t speak in coherent sentences is beyond me.

Good Night, All.

You would think the utter and complete failure of her first 3 shows would have been a sign.

207 Jim D  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:05:21pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

I don’t see how suggesting that a woman insert a gun into her vagina is much better than what she said.

208 calochortus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:06:19pm

re: #206 Kragar

You would think the utter and complete failure of her first 3 shows would have been a sign.

Hope springs eternal, apparently.

209 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:09:18pm

re: #205 The War TARDIS

A Doctor WHo question I want to see answered:

Question I’ve been pondering is if River giving the Doctor her regenerations means he’s going to be able to go past 13.

210 calochortus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:13:45pm

Hasta mañana, lizards.

211 The War TARDIS  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:16:44pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

Moffat said that it will be shown at Christmas.

He has also said that the Doctor, as of now, is out of regenerations. This is a result of the War Doctor, and also the 10th’s creation of a human duplicate during the Series 4 Finale.

Numbering is now like this:

War Doctor- True 9th
9th-True 10th
10th-True 11th
Meta-Crisis 10th- True 12th
11th-True 13th

However, we know there is an out. In addition, Moffat has said the regeneration to an older Capaldi will not stop the flirting between the Doctor and Clara. He has also said that the 12th will be more energetic than we think he will.

212 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:22:13pm
213 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:22:44pm

re: #211 The War TARDIS

Moffat said that it will be shown at Christmas.

He has also said that the Doctor, as of now, is out of regenerations. This is a result of the War Doctor, and also the 10th’s creation of a human duplicate during the Series 4 Finale.

Numbering is now like this:

War Doctor- True 9th
9th-True 10th
10th-True 11th
Meta-Crisis 10th- True 12th
11th-True 13th

However, we know there is an out. In addition, Moffat has said the regeneration to an older Capaldi will not stop the flirting between the Doctor and Clara. He has also said that the 12th will be more energetic than we think he will.

One would figure there would be an out, The Doctor always has an out. Though I’m sure it will be interesting for Moffat to make it so without running over one of the themes of recent seasons, that of “wearing thin.”

214 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:26:53pm
215 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:28:22pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

One would figure there would be an out, The Doctor always has an out. Though I’m sure it will be interesting for Moffat to make it so without running over one of the themes of recent seasons, that of “wearing thin.”

Well, part of that was running around as the last of the Time Lords. If he brings them back, he might find a reason to go on.

216 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:31:35pm
217 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:33:15pm

re: #215 Kragar

Well, part of that was running around as the last of the Time Lords. If he brings them back, he might find a reason to go on.

True enough. Will be see sorry to see Smith go, he’s grown on me as the Doctor. Even the bow ties and fezzes.

218 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:35:03pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

True enough. Will be see sorry to see Smith go, he’s grown on me as the Doctor. Even the bow ties and fezzes.

Now on the flip side, I just realized that it was Peter Capaldi who was in “Lair of the White Worm” with Amanda Donahoe and Hugh Grant.

219 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:41:38pm

re: #218 Kragar

Now on the flip side, I just realized that it was Peter Capaldi who was in “Lair of the White Worm” with Amanda Donahoe and Hugh Grant.

That’s alright, Capaldi’s already played two different characters in the Whoverse before, so it’ll be interesting if Moffat actually acknowledges that or if they sort of just handwave it away.

220 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:43:50pm
221 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:44:33pm

There’s George on the right. ;)

222 The War TARDIS  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:44:52pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

Considering that it was Matt Smith’s run that tore me out of a depression, this is going to have a disproportionately nasty effect on me.

Peter Capaldi has shoes to fill. I don’t doubt he will. Jenna Coleman has been a joy in her part as Clara. Hopefully, she will stay a while. However, I would love if Juliet Landau, who plays Romana on the Audio Stories right now, joins as a second Companion. Let’s have the Doctor and 2 Genius Women companions

At this point, it’s a really safe bet that the Doctor and Clara are more than friends. 80%+ of my friends are women, and I have never kissed them on the cheek or forehead, caressed their faces, or any of the touchy-feeling stuff the Doctor and Clara do. I hug, occasionally from behind, but I would feel massively uncomfortable doing just about everything else. Except holding hands.

223 The War TARDIS  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:45:13pm

re: #219 Targetpractice

He will.

He said he hatched a plan with Davies.

224 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:50:38pm

re: #222 The War TARDIS

Considering that it was Matt Smith’s run that tore me out of a depression, this is going to have a disproportionately nasty effect on me.

Peter Capaldi has shoes to fill. I don’t doubt he will. Jenna Coleman has been a joy in her part as Clara. Hopefully, she will stay a while. However, I would love if Juliet Landau, who plays Romana on the Audio Stories right now, joins as a second Companion. Let’s have the Doctor and 2 Genius Women companions

At this point, it’s a really safe bet that the Doctor and Clara are more than friends. 80%+ of my friends are women, and I have never kissed them on the cheek or forehead, caressed their faces, or any of the touchy-feeling stuff the Doctor and Clara do. I hug, occasionally from behind, but I would feel massively uncomfortable doing just about everything else. Except holding hands.

I’m still in the middle of watching Season 6, so I’ve not reached Clara’s run yet. Most exposure I’ve had of her has been in The Day of the Doctor. Though the longer I go along, the more I understand why fans were justifiably pissed by how Amy and Rory were written out of the series. No offense to Davies and Moffat, but they have been rather cruel to companions since the series restarted.

225 The War TARDIS  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:53:13pm

re: #224 Targetpractice

Unfortunately, Moffat was stuck with a shit Turkey.

Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill said they wanted their characters written out so that they wouldn’t come back. Thing is, they are still big supporters of Doctor Who otherwise.

226 The War TARDIS  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 9:57:44pm

re: #225 The War TARDIS

Clara, on the other hand has either been painted into a corner, or is the most flexible character in Doctor Who’s history. Aside from the Time Lord Characters.

227 Origuy  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:01:50pm

That’s not outreach, that’s a reacharound.

228 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:02:43pm

re: #225 The War TARDIS

Unfortunately, Moffat was stuck with a shit Turkey.

Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill said they wanted their characters written out so that they wouldn’t come back. Thing is, they are still big supporters of Doctor Who otherwise.

It just distresses me, the finality that companions have been written out of the series in recent years. I think only Martha managed to get away with just being given a good life, rather than kicked into a closet and the door locked and barred behind her. Rose was dropped on a parallel Earth with a consolation-prize Doctor, Donna pretty much had her soul ripped out of her, and Amy and Rory only have gravestones to mark that they were even there. I’m beginning to worry about what they’ve got in store for Clara.

229 The War TARDIS  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:06:26pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

Again though, the actors wanted them written out permanently. And we do know they lived a good life.

What happened to Donna and Rose though was more than a little needless though.

230 piratedan  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:09:36pm

very OT but as I was busy recovering tonite, I can across an old classic that kinda illustrates that the question about security and privacy isn’t really a new thing at all. Watched The Anderson Tapes and how it was done documentary style with all of the agencies and players who were tapped into and watching folks, legally or not which served as a mechanism that showed despite everyone supposedly knowing what was going on, that the actual crime was foiled by a kid with a HAM radio. Nifty cast, Connery, Walken (his screen debut), Alan King, Dyan Cannon, and a lot of familiar faces. Kinda prophetic for 1971. Very much a Three Days of the Condor feel to it.

231 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:10:10pm

re: #229 The War TARDIS

Again though, the actors wanted them written out permanently. And we do know they lived a good life.

What happened to Donna and Rose though was more than a little needless though.

I think it largely has to do with that need, whether it be from the actors or Davies/Moffat, to bring finality to characters so that they can’t be brought back long after their story is figured to have ended. It’s why “Bad Wolf” was shown in DotD rather than Rose, because Moffat had felt her story had finished, but he wanted Billie Piper to play a part.

232 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:12:14pm

re: #216 Gus

Looks like Grumpy Cat in the lower left.

re: #220 Gus

I wonder how much Bush and Obama can talk about what’s going on. I would guess security reasons a sitting President probably can’t share much with an ex president. All the ex presidents seem to get along pretty well, although Carter always seems a bit of an outsider.

233 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:13:25pm

re: #218 Kragar

Now on the flip side, I just realized that it was Peter Capaldi who was in “Lair of the White Worm” with Amanda Donahoe and Hugh Grant.

LOL, I just watched that last night on Netflix.

234 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:17:35pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Looks like Grumpy Cat in the lower left.

I wonder how much Bush and Obama can talk about what’s going on. I would guess security reasons a sitting President probably can’t share much with an ex president. All the ex presidents seem to get along pretty well, although Carter always seems a bit of an outsider.

Hey KT! 7 days to move! I so want to do a garden up north this spring and so want your direction..You here?

235 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:19:13pm

re: #230 piratedan

very OT but as I was busy recovering tonite, I can across an old classic that kinda illustrates that the question about security and privacy isn’t really a new thing at all. Watched The Anderson Tapes and how it was done documentary style with all of the agencies and players who were tapped into and watching folks, legally or not which served as a mechanism that showed despite everyone supposedly knowing what was going on, that the actual crime was foiled by a kid with a HAM radio. Nifty cast, Connery, Walken (his screen debut), Alan King, Dyan Cannon, and a lot of familiar faces. Kinda prophetic for 1971. Very much a Three Days of the Condor feel to it.

Oh, thanks! I’ve been trying to remember the name of that movie for years. I caught the last 10 minutes so very long ago and wanted to see the whole movie.

236 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:19:23pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Looks like Grumpy Cat in the lower left.

I wonder how much Bush and Obama can talk about what’s going on. I would guess security reasons a sitting President probably can’t share much with an ex president. All the ex presidents seem to get along pretty well, although Carter always seems a bit of an outsider.

Lower right!

237 Lidane  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:19:41pm
238 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:21:39pm

re: #234 HoosierHoops

Hey KT! 7 days to move! I so want to do a garden up north this spring and so want your direction..You here?

Yeah, I’ll be on for a bit. Only 7 days to move? Are you all packed up? I thought you were already on the road at this point.

239 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:21:52pm

re: #236 Gus

Lower right!

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lol

240 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:29:16pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I’ll be on for a bit. Only 7 days to move? Are you all packed up? I thought you were already on the road at this point.

Hey you! Turns out that retirement can be quite complicated. Winston and I are off to the North Woods in a few days..Fricking details left in Oklahoma if you know what I mean..My Nic is blue.. Let us never depart friends forever..I hate that shit..Too many times..LOL

241 Gus  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:29:45pm

‘Night.

242 Kragar  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:37:11pm

re: #233 Single-handed sailor

LOL, I just watched that last night on Netflix.

Same here.

243 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:40:26pm

re: #240 HoosierHoops

Sunset Gardening book!
amazon.com

244 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:43:09pm

re: #243 Dancing along the light of day

Sunset Gardening book!
amazon.com

Always an excellent and reliable source of information. BTW, I’m finally really starting to understand my greenhouse. I can’t believe it’s an unusually cold December and I’m still producing more peppers, tomatoes and basil than I can eat.

245 HoosierHoops  Mon, Dec 9, 2013 10:46:51pm

re: #243 Dancing along the light of day

Sunset Gardening book!
amazon.com

Hi You! For those that don’t know..A few days ago I was on the Cell with Floral. And ice began falling out of the sky.. I’m yelling there is ice falling from the sky and Floral is on the beach in SoCal laughing at me..That just isn’t right..And guess what Floral? It’s still ice everywhere..Ice Ice Baby..

246 Lidane  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 12:54:42am
247 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 2:06:50am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

His proposal includes replacing SNAP with “The Hunger Games”.

248 Lidane  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:04:19am

Programming note: The UN Secretary General is speaking now at the Mandela memorial. Once he’s done, there will be a tribute from the African Union commission chair, then several heads of state. First up will be POTUS.

249 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:05:48am

SC Bill Would Nullify Obamacare, Could Be Model for Others

Because South Carolina has led other states on such successful anti-federal initiatives already…

250 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:10:22am

re: #85 jaunte

Meanwhile, conspicuous consumption reaches a new low: a gold-leafed wagyu/truffle burger that isn’t really all that good:

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This is how I make a “hamburger”: 1/3 lb chuck (no other cut) hamburger shaped into patty, because chuck is more flavorful, but not as fatty, than the regular crap, and also more flavorful than ground round, which tends to be dry. Fry, but do not press on the meat to make it cook faster, because you’ll lose the juices, but do cook it done on a medium heat (I usually cover because it can splatter).* Place 1 slice of yellow American cheese on top to melt. Prepare a large sesame seed bun with mayo, spread thin, not piled, on one side, your favorite mustard on the other. If they ever make a whole grain sesame seed bun available to me, I’ll use those. Place green leaf or iceberg lettuce on mayo side w/a good slice of ripe tomato, and 3 pickle slices (we prefer bread and butter) on the mustard side on top of a thin, intact slice of Vidalia onion, then the cheese side of burger on top of that. Order of ingredients is important, and all your food groups are in this one sandwich. This isn’t obsession, really, it’s trial and error over the years, and really, anything else is an abomination. Kobe beef smothered with caviar? Truffles? Those aren’t burgers, they’re attention grabbers, as if anyone really cares except the idiots who will pay for them.

That is also how I make turkey burgers because I don’t eat beef. I’ve tried the soy and black bean types, but they just don’t do anything for me and don’t have a good “mouth feel”, either. “‘Burgers” are delicious, simple and all the ingredients are readily available. The burger by itself should be enough—no need for fries, onion rings, etc. You don’t need the extra fat or carbs.

You?

*Sorry, but I don’t believe in eating any animal products rare or partially done.

Now, I need breakfast. : )

251 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:12:14am

re: #249 Sol Berdinowitz

SC Bill Would Nullify Obamacare, Could Be Model for Others

Because South Carolina has led other states on such successful anti-federal initiatives already…

Just more “states rights” bullshit.

Davis underestimates the power of the Federal govt.

They lost “the war”—they need to get over it.

252 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:21:52am

re: #251 Justanotherhuman

Just more “states rights” bullshit.

Davis underestimates the power of the Federal govt.

They lost “the war”—they need to get over it.

Now that the House has given up trying to repeal ACA the torch has passed to those meth labs of democracy, the states…

253 Lidane  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:22:14am

Update: The AU commissioner is speaking now.

POTUS will be up after her.

254 Lidane  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:28:23am

POTUS making his way to the stage now while a gospel band plays.

255 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:32:22am

re: #254 Lidane

POTUS making his way to the stage now while a gospel band plays.

Pres Obama is a world figure, not just our President.

256 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:42:06am

re: #255 Justanotherhuman

Pres Obama is a world figure, not just our President.

FTFY /

257 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:43:45am

“…the last great liberator of the 20th century.” Pres Obama describing how Mandela came from very humble beginnings and lead the fight to destroy apartheid, and how he retained his humility, his humanity, his humane outlook over the years.

Mandela is an excellent figure for future leaders to emulate—strong but disciplined, humble but fiercely proud of his people, all his people, and what they had to endure to get their freedom back after so many years of colonialism. Ubuntu!

This is an excellent speech. Proud of my President, too.

258 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:45:35am

Typical of his anti-colonial world view. Anti-colonialism has nothing at all to do with our American traditions…

/

259 Lidane  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:56:59am

re: #257 Justanotherhuman

“…the last great liberator of the 20th century.” Pres Obama describing how Mandela came from very humble beginnings and lead the fight to destroy apartheid, and how he retained his humility, his humanity, his humane outlook over the years.

Mandela is an excellent figure for future leaders to emulate—strong but disciplined, humble but fiercely proud of his people, all his people, and what they had to endure to get their freedom back after so many years of colonialism. Ubuntu!

This is an excellent speech. Proud of my President, too.

Amazing speech. What a wonderful tribute.

260 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:01:25am

Oh, those playful Swedes.

FLASH: Disqus cracked - security flaw reveals user e-mail addresses

cornucopia-en.cornubot.se

“The Swedish company Resarchgruppen has cracked the Disqus commenting system, enabling them to identify Disqus users by their e-mail addresses. The crack was done in cooperation with the Bonnier Group tabloid Expressen, in order to reveal politicians commenting on Swedish hate speech-sites. (Bonnier/Expressen, article in Swedish)

“The crack uses a serious security flaw in the Disqus API:s, enabling the extraction of MD5 hashes of user e-mail addresses. By matching the MD5 hashes by brute force vs an e-mail database users are identified.

“Example of the attack vector, as revealed by Twitter user chmod007, security engineer David Remahl.”

Note: Example doesn’t copy and paste.

261 Lidane  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:12:16am
262 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:26:56am

Bryan worships Trickle-Down Jesus.
Bryan, the Pope thinks you suck.

263 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:29:45am

re: #262 Lord of the Pies

We know how much Jesus loves the rich (in spirit).

264 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:31:25am

re: #262 Lord of the Pies

Bryan worships Trickle-Down Jesus.
Bryan, the Pope thinks you suck.

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Bryan’s the sorta guy who was totally astonished when the revolution came to Russia and he found himself against the wall.

265 Lidane  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:32:15am

re: #262 Lord of the Pies

He’s a horrible excuse for a human being and is the exact opposite of a Christian.

266 psddluva4evah  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:33:13am

So the big news is that Obama shook hands with Raoul Castro as he approached the stage for his speech.

WTF…media. What was POTUS supposed to do? Body-slam Castro, screaming “American….BITCH” as he does so?

SMDH.

Now what’s the over under on Ted Cruz taking pics with Africans as a photo-op for back home?

267 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:33:20am
268 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:34:19am

This idea that America works best when the rich are the ones with all the money totally ignores that the best years of American prosperity came when the top bracket was taxed at 91%. There was something driving the engine of our economy and it wasn’t rich people frequenting the country club.

269 Lidane  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:35:30am

re: #266 psddluva4evah

If the only thing the wingnuts get from that speech is Obama shaking hands with Castro, they’re even dumber than I thought.

We just saw the first black American president eulogize the first black South African president. What an amazing moment in history. And it was a spectacular, deeply moving speech, too.

270 psddluva4evah  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:36:11am
271 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:36:28am

Morning. Morning…Good morning (Meaning of Life fishies)

Woke up to a couple more inches of snow. Looks like we are going to have white stuff lying around for some time as the weather forecasts seem to favor keeping it around and maybe adding to it.

Very unusual compared to the last few years. Hoping we get the big January thaw. We may need it.

And now I want a hamburger…

272 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:37:03am

There is an odd notion that rich people spend/invest their money in ways that benefit the rest of us.

That might have worked to a degree in a time of national economies and restrictions on the flow of goods and capital, but now it means that capital will seek the highest rate of return, and that happens to be in a country with lax environmental and work safety standards, then that is where the money will wind up.

273 psddluva4evah  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:37:35am

re: #269 Lidane

but it wasn’t even the RWNJ the media wrote their objection before the RWNJ are even up.

The media are claiming “pre-emptive” analysis of the “hand-shake heard around the world”..

Ugh…idiots.

274 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:39:35am

re: #269 Lidane

If the only thing the wingnuts get from that speech is Obama shaking hands with Castro, they’re even dumber than I thought.

We just saw the first black American president eulogize the first black South African president. What an amazing moment in history. And it was a spectacular, deeply moving speech, too.

RW heads exploding right now.

275 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:39:58am

re: #274 Justanotherhuman

RW heads exploding right now.

Wait till they see the pictures of the umbrellas.

276 Lidane  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:43:46am

re: #273 psddluva4evah

but it wasn’t even the RWNJ the media wrote their objection before the RWNJ are even up.

The media are claiming “pre-emptive” analysis of the “hand-shake heard around the world”..

Ugh…idiots.

Seriously?

I watched a South African media feed this morning, so once everything got started there wasn’t any analysis or commentary. They just STFU and let the events unfold on their own. I hadn’t seen an American feed for any of the memorial until I saw the MSNBC video I linked to above.

What morons. As usual the American press focuses on the wrong thing. WTF.

277 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:44:54am

re: #275 Lord of the Pies

Wait till they see the pictures of the umbrellas.

Umbrellas? What did I miss?

278 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:45:47am

re: #277 Justanotherhuman

Umbrellas? What did I miss?

POTUS not carrying his own umbrella LIKE A REAL MAN WOULD DO1!!!!!1!!!

279 psddluva4evah  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:46:02am

re: #276 Lidane

yep. I first saw a screen capture from CNN. then next thing you know all the news orgs US and other were tweeting about the handshake.

OH and this from @ToddStarnes was a real beaut:

280 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:47:04am

Margaret Thatcher did not have a state funeral.

281 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:48:01am

re: #279 psddluva4evah

He should have gone to Thatcher’s funeral and shaken her hand?

282 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:48:19am

re: #281 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He should have gone to Thatcher’s funeral and shaken her hand?


Yes.
Next!

283 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:48:22am

Was Obama even invited to Thatcher’s funeral?

284 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:49:25am

re: #283 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Was Obama even invited to Thatcher’s funeral?

Nancy Reagan was invited but declined to attend.

285 psddluva4evah  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:52:03am
286 Bulworth  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:53:23am

re: #279 psddluva4evah

Outrageous outrage IMPEach!!!111!11!! There are rules about which tinpot dictators American presidents can shake hands with!!11

287 psddluva4evah  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:53:41am

re: #281 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

exactly. it’s a sign of how crappy US media outlets are. they also made hey out of the crowd booing.

Hey, you can’t get mad at people doing stuff in their own house…if they wanna boo, let em freakin boo

288 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:55:55am

Last I checked, none of the US presidents, current or former, showed up for Thatcher’s funeral.

289 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:57:23am

re: #288 Targetpractice

Last I checked, none of the US presidents, current or former, showed up for Thatcher’s funeral.

IT”S ALL OBAMA’S FAULT. HE SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT!

290 Bulworth  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:57:36am

The newest dim bulb in the teabag House challenging equally dim bulb in Senate:

Tea Party favorite Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) has filed to run in a March primary against John Cornyn, the No. 2 Republican in the U.S. Senate.

In an interview with World Net Daily, Stockman said he was mounting his primary challenge because the Texas senator did not stand with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) during the government shutdown. “We are extremely disappointed in the way he treated his fellow congressmen and broke the 11th Commandment and undermined Ted Cruz’s fight to stop Obamacare,” Stockman said. “And now it looks like Cruz was right and Cornyn was wrong. [Cornyn] sided with the president, essentially, in making sure Obamacare became law while Cruz did everything possible to stop it.”

thedailybeast.com

291 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:58:46am

Obama holding his own umbrella.
Gotta post this to LNYHBT.

292 Lidane  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 4:59:23am

re: #290 Bulworth

I am amused by the notion that Cornyn needs to be primaried from the right. The guy’s been a faithful GOP stooge since day one. How the hell is he suddenly a RINO squish?

293 Lidane  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:00:43am

re: #285 psddluva4evah

294 psddluva4evah  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:01:39am

re: #293 Lidane

AMEN

295 psddluva4evah  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:02:14am

re: #291 Lord of the Pies

There he goes again with his “terroist fist pump”…

smdh

296 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:02:27am

re: #290 Bulworth

The newest dim bulb in the teabag House challenging equally dim bulb in Senate:

thedailybeast.com

A TPer accusing a TPer of being insufficiently dedicated to the cause. Sometimes all you can do is sit back and watch the trainwreck.

297 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:02:41am

And the “Black Power” salute.

298 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:04:34am

re: #297 Lord of the Pies

And the “Black Power” salute.

SOLIDARITY WITH THE COMMIES. ARRRGH!

299 Lidane  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:07:02am

re: #296 Targetpractice

A TPer accusing a TPer of being insufficiently dedicated to the cause. Sometimes all you can do is sit back and watch the trainwreck.

What’s really stupid about that is Stockman’s contention that Cornyn somehow “allowed” the ACA to become law because he voted to end Ted Cruz’s idiotic fake filibuster. The ACA passed years ago.

Also, Cornyn has been dutifully rubber stamping every GOP objection to Obama since he took office. WTF that one vote which doesn’t follow the other nutbaggers over a cliff gets him primaried from the right.

300 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:07:46am

In other TP news, Erick Son of Erick is beginning to rally the troops against the Ryan-Murray budget deal, on the grounds that any deal should start at the sequester numbers and go down from there. And, of course, the assertion that voting for such a deal will (of course) be supporting the ACA.

301 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:15:14am

re: #300 Targetpractice

In other TP news, Erick Son of Erick is beginning to rally the troops against the Ryan-Murray budget deal, on the grounds that any deal should start at the sequester numbers and go down from there. And, of course, the assertion that voting for such a deal will (of course) be supporting the ACA.

They are all nuts and an embarrassment to this country.

Sick of the RWNJs dominating everything and stopping anything from being done, and sick of the MSM giving them press for it with no critical followups.

And this “budget deal” does almost nothing anyway. A lame attempt at a nothing-burger.

302 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:17:15am
303 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:18:08am

re: #302 Lord of the Pies

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Rofl.

304 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:20:28am

Okay…regarding Erick Erickson. I say we put operation Pasty Pastry in motion.

We get Vicious Babushka Lord of the Pies to set up the battle plans and serve as Operations Chief.

Everyone get your ovens ready. We bake up a whole crap load of the most rich creamy fat laden pies, cookies, cakes, breads, rolls, coffee cakes, etc.

We pack ‘em up and ship them in coordinated attacks over a month, but we must make sure there is way too much to consume in any one given day.

At the end of the month, after not being able to stop eating all these goodies Erickson done blows up!

Looking at images of him over the years…i think this would work.

(Evil laugh…)

///

305 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:22:44am

re: #304 ObserverArt

Okay…regarding Erick Erickson. I say we put operation Pasty Pastry in motion.

We get Vicious Babushka Lord of the Pies to set up the battle plans and serve as Operations Chief.

Everyone get your ovens ready. We bake up a whole crap load of the most rich creamy fat laden pies, cookies, cakes, breads, rolls, coffee cakes, etc.

We pack ‘em up and ship them in coordinated attacks over a month, but we must make sure there is way too much to consume in any one given day.

At the end of the month, after not being able to stop eating all these goodies Erickson done blows up!

Looking at images of him over the years…i think this would work.

(Evil laugh…)

///

I am not wasting my Mad Pie Skillz on unworthy wretch like Erick b. Erick.

He can shovel Big Macs down his pie hole.

306 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:23:14am

re: #301 Justanotherhuman

They are all nuts and an embarrassment to this country.

Sick of the RWNJs dominating everything and stopping anything from being done, and sick of the MSM giving them press for it with no critical followups.

And this “budget deal” does almost nothing anyway. A lame attempt at a nothing-burger.

The deal, at least I understand it now, is an actual compromise in the traditional sense, with both sides getting a little of what they want in exchange for reaching a mutual goal. That may have something to do with the reality that defense hawks do not want the sequester cuts as scheduled to go through, and that’s pretty much a done deal if the TPers get their way on a final bill.

307 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:31:44am

re: #305 Lord of the Pies

I am not wasting my Mad Pie Skillz on unworthy wretch like Erick b. Erick.

He can shovel Big Macs down his pie hole.

We wouldn’t have to make mad good pies. Just pies…lots of pies. And use lard…lots of lard. The damn crusts could be store bought. And no sugar…high fructose corn syrup all the way. And the cheapest over-bleached white white flour. And no egg whites…yolks only. And lots of butter from cows that never see the light of day and are given too many anti-biotics.

These are bombs! Do it for the children…

///

308 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:33:01am

re: #305 Lord of the Pies

I am not wasting my Mad Pie Skillz on unworthy wretch like Erick b. Erick.

He can shovel Big Macs down his pie hole.

A constant cheap diet of Big Macs and Little Caesar’s Pizza ought to do it.

: )

309 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:34:37am

re: #307 ObserverArt

We wouldn’t have to make mad good pies. Just pies…lots of pies. And use lard…lots of lard. The damn crusts could be store bought. And no sugar…high fructose corn syrup all the way. And the cheapest over-bleached white white flour. And no egg whites…yolks only. And lots of butter from cows that never see the light of day and are given too many anti-biotics.

These are bombs! Do it for the children…

///

We don’t even have to make any pies. Just organize a picket line around the most cheap-ass fast-foot joints.

310 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:35:58am

TEH ASPLODING HEADS BEGINS.

311 Mattand  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:41:38am

Been picking through the posts here.

Looking at all the pants-wetting conservatives are doing over Obama’s “disgraceful” behavior (aka, being diplomatic like an adult), it just makes you want to scream,

I just do not understand how one can consider themselves a rational adult and align themselves with the modern US conservative movement these days. The amount of cognitive dissonance it must take to overlook this kind of insanity would choke an tyrannosaurus.

312 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:42:21am

re: #309 Lord of the Pies

We don’t even have to make any pies. Just organize a picket line around the most cheap-ass fast-foot joints.

That’s even more evil than my plan. I like that. It would be a sweep of many wingnuts. You’d be killing off millions in time. And they’d go out happy meal!

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313 Mattand  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:48:13am

re: #301 Justanotherhuman

They are all nuts and an embarrassment to this country.

Sick of the RWNJs dominating everything and stopping anything from being done, and sick of the MSM giving them press for it with no critical followups.

And this “budget deal” does almost nothing anyway. A lame attempt at a nothing-burger.

I think the bolded is the real problem. Way too many news orgs are so busy chasing the Fox News demographic dragon. Actually pointing out where the RWNJs are openly lying, in their mind, would cost them advertising dollars. Which what all this is about at the end of the day.

Look at the recent 60 Minutes Benghazi debacle. IIRC, one of the heads of CBS’s news division used to work at Fox. The claims made in the report were easily debunkable, but CBS said “Fuck the actual truth. We need more conservative viewers.”

314 Tim TeaBro  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:50:39am

Mandela was a lot of things to a lot of people. For most of us he represented a transformational figure challenging the status quo of a race based political class oppressing another, triumphing over it, and escaping the prison of rage and revenge to reach reconciliation.

For others he’s a vehicle to passive aggressively promote some vapid ideology with a new -ism, in this case But He’s a Communist-ism. The false balance of acknowledging Mandela wasn’t perfect isn’t taking an objective view of the man, it’s merely using him as a prop for your own meek ideological posturing. Mandela wasn’t a perfect man, but so what, the grass is green and the sky is blue. There will be no statues of him bear hugging Castro, because that’s not a moment or achievement of any significance. That’s only significant if you’re looking for a downding against the dude because your own ideological insecurity.

Going against the crowd for the sake of merely going against the crowd isn’t in and of itself noble, you’re just in another crowd. What matters is why you’re going against the crowd, not that you’re merely doing it.

315 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 5:55:27am

HURR HURR AUTO INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS SHOULDN’T BE MAKING $60,000 YEAR AT GM/CHRYSLER/FORD, THEY SHOULD BE WORKIN FOR MINIMUM WAGE AT WALMART!!!! HURR HURR

316 Tim TeaBro  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:00:16am

re: #311 Mattand

Been picking through the posts here.

Looking at all the pants-wetting conservatives are doing over Obama’s “disgraceful” behavior (aka, being diplomatic like an adult), it just makes you want to scream,

I just do not understand how one can consider themselves a rational adult and align themselves with the modern US conservative movement these days. The amount of cognitive dissonance it must take to overlook this kind of insanity would choke an tyrannosaurus.

Children think they’re more mature than they really are.

Conservatism has evolved into some cheaply made plastic Shiny New Thing for Christmas intellectual toy. Sort of like a play power tool made to look like a real power tool that dad has. When you put in batteries and pull the trigger it makes a noise like the real power tool: “SMART STUFF SOUNDZ, RRRR RRR RRR SMART STUFF SOUNDZ, THINK TANK THINK TANK.”

But also realize that there has been big $ spent to push this new ideology, this new ‘evangelical economics’ movement, taking advantage of this human frailty.

So as much as I SMH head at the slobbering morons who spout non-thinking mind numbingly stupid jibberish, I can’t help but consider the industry funding the further propagation of the non-thinking mind numbingly stupid jibberish: AM Radio, then Fox News, now right wing ‘journalism’ and blogs.

It’s powerful shit. It worked on me, for a little while.

317 African Moonbat  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:04:23am

Obama’s speech at Mandela’s memorial was probably the finest of his career. His subtle dig at Raul Castro and others who still imprison people for their beliefs and orientations was superb.

318 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:06:37am

FAIL

319 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:07:10am

Seeing the RWNJ’s reaction to the POTUS at the Mandela memorial leaves only one thing to be said: Conservatives are dicks.

320 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:09:12am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the right wing is busy engaged in outrageous outrage with President Obama shaking hands with Raul Castro and Robert Mugabe.

Would have preferred had he not done the latter, but the former needs to be seen in a different light considering that Obama’s eulogy castigated those who oppress their people - including Castro’s Cuba.

Mugabe’s a murderous dictator and thug who’s destroyed Zimbabwe’s economy and spirit.

Of course, the right wing is also busy complaining that the US Treasury Department has finally sold off the remaining shares in GM. The US lost about $10b on GM stock (all part of the deal to keep the company alive and workers employed as the company imploded.

Here’s the thing about the auto bailout. The government could have stayed in the stock and eventually sold back at a profit, but these same folks would complain that the government was still owning the stock. So, the Treasury made the political decision to sell in as fast and deliberate manner as possible. That meant that the losses would be locked in, but the company would be publicly owned without the government owning shares. It’s a tradeoff. These people complaining hate the whole idea of the bailout and TARP in general, but they’d probably hate to learn that the program did more good than bad.

The TARP actually made money on the bank bailout and even from the AIG portion and credit portion of the bailout. It made about enough to offset the losses with the auto industry.

That’s right - despite the worst economic mess since the Great Depression, a program designed to prop up the economy and keep it from cratering as major industrial employers imploded while the credit markets dried up, actually made money over the life of the program for the Treasury.

The housing portion of TARP was never meant to be recovered, which is why the overall figure is below the appropriated amount. Even then, it’s pretty close to a breakeven. So, while $456 billion was obligated and $421 billion was disbursed, the total amount Treasury received back in repayments was $431 billion.

321 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:09:12am

re: #310 Lord of the Pies

TEH ASPLODING HEADS BEGINS.

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Obama is 6’1”
Raul looks short. Do the math, wingnuts.

322 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:13:23am

re: #321 Varek Raith

. Do the math, wingnuts.

You’re asking quite a bit. These are the same “people” that believe the earth is 6000 years old.

323 darthstar  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:14:07am

re: #322 Dr. Matt

You’re asking quite a bit. These are the same “people” that believe the earth is 6000 years old.

6001. It just had a birthday.

324 Tim TeaBro  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:21:39am

The right wing wants Obama to front up on Raul Castro as say ‘Come at me bro!’

325 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:22:05am

It’s snowing here.
Very pretty.
Happy that I now work from home and my commute only involves walking from the computer to the coffee pot.

326 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:22:15am
327 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:23:06am

And he’s off! (about half a bubble)
(parody account)

328 makeitstop  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:24:49am

It’s finally begun to snow in earnest here on LI. Lovely now, but I’m thinking ahead to my wife’s commute home this evening.

She left the car at home this morning and took my truck, which is a good thing because there are few things more useless than a light car with rear-wheel drive in heavy snow.

329 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:26:01am
330 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:28:59am

Dogs’ First Ride Home From Being in the Shelter (19 pics)

littlewhitelion.com

331 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:29:15am

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT TELEPROMPTER!!!!ty

332 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:29:45am
333 Tim TeaBro  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:30:19am
334 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:32:14am

re: #328 makeitstop

Yeah, it’s been snowing pretty steadily and hard here in Lower Manhattan and the cloud deck is all the way down (you can’t see much beyond halfway up 4 or 1WTC. Lower Manhattan was totally obscured from across the Hudson in Hoboken. NWS is saying 3-5 inches in the City, so if it keeps up at this clip, we’re probably right on target for that higher amount. In fact, most of the area is looking at 3-5.

The commute in NJ is already a mess - NJ Transit and Amtrak are having all kinds of issues on the NEC, and extra trains going to Hoboken are causing issues on those lines. Fun fun fun. Hope that the situation’s better on LI.

335 Tim TeaBro  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:32:25am

Reagan destroying the Soviet Union by brohugging Gorby

336 darthstar  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:37:21am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s not unhappy, just disappointed there aren’t any vuvuzelas.

337 Mattand  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:39:03am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jesus Fucking Christ, could Bush look any more like a petulant six year old?

I look at that picture and think “This is the guy that a majority of family and friends thought should run the country. Twice.

338 Mattand  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:39:48am

re: #336 darthstar

He’s not unhappy, just disappointed there aren’t any vuvuzelas.

Or as he calls them: “Fur-en-er beer bongs.”

339 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:40:04am

re: #337 Mattand

Jesus Fucking Christ, could Bush look any more like a petulant six year old?

I look at that picture and think “This is the guy that a majority of family and friends thought should run the country. Twice.

Apparently, that photo was taken while Obama was speaking.

340 Mattand  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:41:45am

re: #334 lawhawk

Yeah, it’s been snowing pretty steadily and hard here in Lower Manhattan and the cloud deck is all the way down (you can’t see much beyond halfway up 4 or 1WTC. Lower Manhattan was totally obscured from across the Hudson in Hoboken. NWS is saying 3-5 inches in the City, so if it keeps up at this clip, we’re probably right on target for that higher amount. In fact, most of the area is looking at 3-5.

The commute in NJ is already a mess - NJ Transit and Amtrak are having all kinds of issues on the NEC, and extra trains going to Hoboken are causing issues on those lines. Fun fun fun. Hope that the situation’s better on LI.

South Jersey/Philly is looking at the same. Just got back in with the dog, and it’s starting to pick up.

Apparently the Philly western burbs are experiencing white out conditions on the Schuykill and various other highways. Fun times.

341 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:42:20am

re: #262 Lord of the Pies

Bryan worships Trickle-Down Jesus.
Bryan, the Pope thinks you suck.

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Those posts are a parody of free-market economic thinking written by an economic illiterate.

Jesus Facepalm

342 Mattand  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:43:31am

re: #320 lawhawk

Re: TARP:

You and your facts…

343 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:43:39am

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

Those posts are a parody of free-market economic thinking written by an economic illiterate.

Jesus Facepalm

Not to mention Bryan’s a CINO as well.

344 darthstar  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:44:07am

Bowghazi

345 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:44:11am

re: #343 William Barnett-Lewis

Not to mention Bryan’s a CINO as well.

Yeah, that too.

346 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:44:46am

My son wrote about his meeting with Mandela.

He was most impressed with Madiba’s cool shirts!

347 Mattand  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:45:01am

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

OT: Big thanks and a case of cheese steaks to Da Bears for last night.

If you had told me in September the Eagles would be in 1st place with 3 weeks to go, I’d have laughed very hard.

348 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:45:21am

Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department-LA Times update.
Beatings, abuse of inmates, abuse of visitors, wrongful arrests, and a great big cover up that includes trying to hide an FBI informant from the FBI.
It took the abuse of a foreign diplomat and the freaking FBI to uncover this. But Sheriff Baca assures us “only” 15 or so indictments don’t point to an institutional problem. What a sorry excuse for an excuse. Baca needs to go.

The indictment accused Sgt. Eric Gonzalez, the supervisor of deputies working in the visiting center, of reprimanding deputies for not using force against visitors who had “supposedly ‘disrespected’ these deputy sheriffs through the visitors’ words or conduct.”

The indictment names Deputies Sussie Ayala, Pantamitr Zunggeemoge and Noel Womack as preparing false and misleading reports in an attempt to show that the use of force was justified.

latimes.com

349 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:47:06am

re: #338 Mattand

Or as he calls them: “Fur-en-er beer bongs.”

He stopped drink alcohol decades ago. He had a problem with booze but he overcame that problem, show him that respect at least.

350 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:47:42am

re: #347 Mattand

OT: Big thanks and a case of cheese steaks to Da Bears for last night.

If you had told me in September the Eagles would be in 1st place with 3 weeks to go, I’d have laughed very had.

Ditto with the Lions and Bears tied for first. Be interesting to see if the Lions can get it together these last couple of weeks or not.

351 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:48:12am

Wonkette talks about Dan Rather and gives FReepers the credit for the fake Killian memos and not Charles and also says FAKE BUT ACCURATE. :(

352 darthstar  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:48:53am
353 Mattand  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:50:57am

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

He stopped drink alcohol decades ago. He had a problem with booze but he overcame that problem, show him that respect at least.

Nah. The guy got several thousand Americans and tens of thousands Iraqis slaughtered for no reason and was at the helm when the economy ran into the rocks.

I’m glad he controlled his alcoholism, but the guy has caused waaaaay too much damage to the US for me to be objective.

354 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:51:45am

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

He stopped drink alcohol decades ago. He had a problem with booze but he overcame that problem, show him that respect at least.

I’d have to argue that he always has seemed to be a “dry drunk” to me - he may be physically sober but I never got the feeling that he ever sobered up psychologically. See his “nicknames” for major people in his administration that wouldn’t be acceptable from my son much less an adult as just one example.

355 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:52:29am

re: #347 Mattand

OT: Big thanks and a case of cheese steaks to Da Bears for last night.

If you had told me in September the Eagles would be in 1st place with 3 weeks to go, I’d have laughed very hard.

If the Cowboys defense is still as soft as it was last night on the last game of the season, the Eagles offense should go through ‘em like a blowtorch through butter. And they’re only going to get more demoralized if Aaron Rodgers is able to come back to face them on Sunday.

Hopefully, the Packers can give the Eagles some more help, because the Bear are going to beat Philly in the penultimate game of the season.

356 Mattand  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:53:19am

re: #354 William Barnett-Lewis

I’d have to argue that he always has seemed to be a “dry drunk” to me - he may be physically sober but I never got the feeling that he ever sobered up psychologically. See his “nicknames” for major people in his administration that wouldn’t be acceptable from my son much less an adult as just one example.

Let’s not forget the famous Merkel neck massage.

357 Mattand  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:55:00am

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

If the Cowboys defense is still as soft as it was last night on the last game of the season, the Eagles offense should go through ‘em like a blowtorch through butter. And they’re only going to get more demoralized if Aaron Rodgers is able to come back to face them on Sunday.

Hopefully, the Packers can give the Eagles some more help, because the Bear are going to beat Philly in the penultimate game of the season.

LOL, in September, I’d have agreed with you! Now, not so much.

The NFC East most likely will come down to the Cowboys/Eagles game, which is the last of the season.

358 darthstar  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:55:07am

re: #354 William Barnett-Lewis

I don’t think he was all that dry when he was in The White HouseCrawford

359 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:55:45am
360 Mattand  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:56:15am

re: #350 William Barnett-Lewis

Ditto with the Lions and Bears tied for first. Be interesting to see if the Lions can get it together these last couple of weeks or not.

Yeah, the Lions looked good until the 4th quarter. The NFC East and North should be pretty interesting to watch over the next 3 weeks.

361 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:00:40am

re: #348 Political Atheist

Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department-LA Times update.
Beatings, abuse of inmates, abuse of visitors, wrongful arrests, and a great big cover up that includes trying to hide an FBI informant from the FBI.
It took the abuse of a foreign diplomat and the freaking FBI to uncover this. But Sheriff Baca assures us “only” 15 or so indictments don’t point to an institutional problem. What a sorry excuse for an excuse. Baca needs to go.

Sgt. Gonzalez’s ideas about ‘respect’ match those of the gang members he guarding far too closely. The man comes across a bully, who has other people arrested and/or brutalized in order to reassure his insecure ego.

362 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:02:53am

GM naming Mary Barra first female CEO in its (and first woman to head an auto company in automotive history).

Barra, 51, whose career started on a factory floor as an intern more than 30 years ago, has been in charge of product development and quality of all GM cars and trucks for 22 months, fostering collaboration and wringing costs out of the supply chain. The daughter of a Pontiac die maker takes the helm after the U.S. government sold its stake in GM, giving her full freedom to take on domestic and Japanese manufacturers whose price competition threatens profit.

Succession is “one of the most important risks at General Motors for an investor with a medium- to long-term horizon,” Adam Jonas, an analyst with Morgan Stanley, said in an interview earlier this year. “Leadership in the auto industry - one leader can make tens of billions of difference. We’ve seen that.”

Top Women

As the first female CEO of a global automaker, Barra joins Ginni Rometty at International Business Machines Corp., Indra Nooyi at PepsiCo Inc., Marissa Mayer at Yahoo! Inc., Hewlett- Packard Co.’s Meg Whitman and Ursula Burns of Xerox Corp. as women who have risen to run major U.S. corporations.

She beat out Mark Reuss, 50, president of GM North America, Ammann, 41, and Vice Chairman Steve Girsky, 51, all of whom were considered potential CEOs.

363 geoffm33  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:06:30am

Just a big setup. Ted Cruz was on the planning committee. Put Castro at the top of the stairs. Forcing PBO to greet him first in the line of dignitaries. //

364 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:06:35am

re: #362 lawhawk

GM naming Mary Barra first female CEO in its (and first woman to head an auto company in automotive history).

What’s the over-under on the sexist “Government Motors is doomed being led by a woman!!1” posts by the wingnuts?

365 darthstar  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:08:48am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

You just did.

366 darthstar  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:12:53am

re: #362 lawhawk

GM naming Mary Barra first female CEO in its (and first woman to head an auto company in automotive history).

That’s probably one of the few remaining “work your way from the floor to the top” stories left. Pretty amazing.

367 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:13:08am

Morning all!

I have alot to accomplish today, so you can breathe easy. I won’t be bothering you all that much.

:0

368 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:13:20am

Sweet jeebus, this was one heck of a pileup due to snow and poor driving in WI:

Youtube Video

Things go from bad to worse just before the 4 minute mark as a bunch of cars come through and pile up on top of those vehicles already hit. Lots of people were out of their cars by then, and there was no safe place for them, except perhaps behind the center median as cars went flying in all directions.

At least 70 vehicles were involved, and that makes the Battle of Yonkers on the Bronx River Parkway the other day in NYC seem like child’s play.

People really need to slow down when road conditions get that bad. But they don’t until it’s too late and we get these huge pileups.

369 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:13:53am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently, that photo was taken while Obama was speaking.

Single still frame, jet-lagged, old, in the rain, AT A FUNERAL.

Slack-cutting time.

370 darthstar  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:16:48am

re: #369 Decatur Deb

Single still frame, jet-lagged, old, in the rain, AT A FUNERAL.

Slack-cutting time.

I would cut him some slack, but single-handedly destroying the economy while putting two wars on the Capital One card isn’t something you can just forgive as ‘youthful shenanigans’…

371 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:17:55am

re: #370 darthstar

I would cut him some slack, but single-handedly destroying the economy while putting two wars on the Capital One card isn’t something you can just forgive as ‘youthful shenanigans’…

He was a total asshole who surrounded himself with criminals. I’m talking about a photo.

372 Gus  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:17:55am

re: #369 Decatur Deb

Single still frame, jet-lagged, old, in the rain, AT A FUNERAL.

Slack-cutting time.

Yeah. Pretty dumb. No telling if he’s unhappy. I’m not going to turn around and act just like those RWNJs are acting about Obama. Childish really to pick on image and come to this conclusion.

373 darthstar  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:21:17am

re: #371 Decatur Deb

He was a total asshole who surrounded himself with criminals. I’m talking about a photo.

Oh, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the photo. He’s probably just taking in the whole thing…people around singing, laughing, crying…

374 GunstarGreen  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:22:07am

The local RWNJ clearinghouse radio station, AM750 WSB, has been running ads for Solomon Brothers Jewelry for years. The recent holiday set loudly advertises an engagement ring for “Only $8,995”.

This, in Georgia. I have to wonder if they even understand their own audience anymore.

375 Gus  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:23:18am

Was looking for pics of GWB on Twitter last night. Was looking for one of him in South Africa. First pic I found was one of an effigy of GWB of his head decapitated on a rope. Bush derangement syndrome lives on.

376 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:24:30am

re: #319 Dr. Matt

Seeing the RWNJ’s reaction to the POTUS at the Mandela memorial leaves only one thing to be said: Conservatives are dicks.

Minor suggestion.

Tiny shriveled dicks.

377 Gus  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:27:03am

Meh. Later.

378 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:27:45am
19 countries punish atheists for the crime of leaving your faith. In 12 of them, you can be executed for apostasy.

55 countries punish you for blasphemy. 39 of those can send you to prison for it, while 6 can punish you by death.

File under: The necessity of Freedom of Conscious.

379 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:32:22am

re: #354 William Barnett-Lewis

I’d have to argue that he always has seemed to be a “dry drunk” to me - he may be physically sober but I never got the feeling that he ever sobered up psychologically. See his “nicknames” for major people in his administration that wouldn’t be acceptable from my son much less an adult as just one example.

I always go the opposite impression. I think he was sober. I got the impression sobriety was too much influenced by religion.

Perhaps he just switched addictions, from booze (and stuff) to Jesus. Which is often the case.

380 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:34:02am

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

He stopped drink alcohol decades ago. He had a problem with booze but he overcame that problem, show him that respect at least.

One never “overcomes” addiction. Get the language and the concept correctly. The brain never forgets the addiction. One is forever in recovery, never recovered.

381 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:36:29am

re: #351 Lord of the Pies

Wonkette talks about Dan Rather and gives FReepers the credit for the fake Killian memos and not Charles and also says FAKE BUT ACCURATE. :(

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I have a feeling Charles doesn’t really care. Seems to be the strong type satisfied and happy to do his part.

382 makeitstop  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:36:55am

Reasons to be cheerful, Part 3 - A few weeks ago, the wife and I went out to a local park to have a walk and take photos. I delved a little too deeply into the foliage and later discovered two ticks happily chomping away on me.

The doctor’s office just called and informed me that my blood screen came back negative for anything, including Lyme. Relieved.

383 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:38:01am

re: #354 William Barnett-Lewis

I’d have to argue that he always has seemed to be a “dry drunk” to me - he may be physically sober but I never got the feeling that he ever sobered up psychologically. See his “nicknames” for major people in his administration that wouldn’t be acceptable from my son much less an adult as just one example.

Perpetual rich frat boy thinking. He’ll never grow past it.

384 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:38:44am

re: #382 makeitstop

Reasons to be cheerful, Part 3 - A few weeks ago, the wife and I went out to a local park to have a walk and take photos. I delved a little too deeply into the foliage and later discovered two ticks happily chomping away on me.

The doctor’s office just called and informed me that my blood screen came back negative for anything, including Lyme. Relieved.

GOOD NEWS!!!

385 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:39:28am

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

If the Cowboys defense is still as soft as it was last night on the last game of the season, the Eagles offense should go through ‘em like a blowtorch through butter. And they’re only going to get more demoralized if Aaron Rodgers is able to come back to face them on Sunday.

Hopefully, the Packers can give the Eagles some more help, because the Bear are going to beat Philly in the penultimate game of the season.

Maybe…maybe not.

These are the Bears. Not Da’ Bears!

386 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:39:48am

re: #382 makeitstop

Reasons to be cheerful, Part 3 - A few weeks ago, the wife and I went out to a local park to have a walk and take photos. I delved a little too deeply into the foliage and later discovered two ticks happily chomping away on me.

The doctor’s office just called and informed me that my blood screen came back negative for anything, including Lyme. Relieved.

Have another screen done in 2 - 3 months, especially if you feel tired, achy or get any rashes. A first screen, especially this soon after exposure, will almost always miss Lyme’s (had it earlier this year).

387 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:41:04am

re: #382 makeitstop

Reasons to be cheerful, Part 3 - A few weeks ago, the wife and I went out to a local park to have a walk and take photos. I delved a little too deeply into the foliage and later discovered two ticks happily chomping away on me.

The doctor’s office just called and informed me that my blood screen came back negative for anything, including Lyme. Relieved.

YEA!!! I REALLY hate ticks. (and chiggers too). I’ve had more than my share, including one that had crawled up my pants leg and attached itself to a place where you would NEVER want to put a hot glowing matchtip.

RBS

388 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:41:35am

re: #362 lawhawk

GM naming Mary Barra first female CEO in its (and first woman to head an auto company in automotive history).

Nice. Good luck to her.

389 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:42:40am

re: Shaking hands:


Yeah, I had to look up Enlai

390 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:46:52am

re: #389 FemNaziBitch

re: Shaking hands:

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Yeah, I had to look up Enlai

Given the incredible amount of damage done to our nation by the Dulles brothers, that doesn’t really surprise me.

BBL.

391 makeitstop  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:50:01am

re: #384 FemNaziBitch

GOOD NEWS!!!

Thank you, GGT! That’s one thing I definitely do not need.

392 makeitstop  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:51:28am

re: #386 William Barnett-Lewis

Have another screen done in 2 - 3 months, especially if you feel tired, achy or get any rashes. A first screen, especially this soon after exposure, will almost always miss Lyme’s (had it earlier this year).

I’m always tired and achy - I’m 60 years old, fercryinoutloud. :)

Point taken, though. I will follow up.

393 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:52:13am

Creationist home school curriculum isn’t just inaccurate — it’s really, really dumb

A popular curriculum used by home-schooled students has drawn criticism for inaccurate, misleading information and an over-reliance on rote memorization, but those aspects may not be the worst things about it.

A lot of the material that children are exposed to in the Accelerated Christian Education is just astonishingly stupid, according to a former Christian fundamentalist.

Blogger Jonny Scarmanga shared some of the multiple-choice questions he found in some ACE packets used by British home-school students Monday on the blog, Leaving Fundamentalism.

In one question aimed at 9- or 10-year-old fourth-graders, students are given this example: “Children played happily in the water spout.” They are then asked to define a water spout from three examples: “a stream of water,” “two dry ducks” or “playground.”

Another example shows that “Elisabeth Howard sat and listened carefully.” Students are then challenged to identify whether Elisabeth Howard is “a kind of airplane” or “a missionary.”

Still another question asks 12- or 13-year-old seventh-graders to identify whether sports coaches, piano tuners or librarians “can touch the lives of their students.”

If that sounds like a trick question, that’s because it is.

“The correct answer, for those puzzled, is piano tutors,” Scaramanga writes. “It’s not that ACE doesn’t believe that sports coaches or librarians can touch students’ lives. The point is that the exact sentence, ‘Piano tutors can touch the lives of their students,’ has previously appeared in (an ACE packet), and the student is expected to remember this. Verbatim regurgitation of previously seen material is the entire point of the ACE system.”

The ACE curriculum relies on thousands of these multiple-choice questions to imprint the materials in students’ memories.

394 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:52:49am

re: #385 ObserverArt

Maybe…maybe not.

These are the Bears. Not Da’ Bears!

It’s a different, team to be sure. The Bears have always been known for their defense, but since Lance Briggs got injured the defense has been no better than mediocre. The Bears will win or lose these last 3 games on the strength of their offense, and with their powerful receivers and vastly upgraded offensive line the Bears offense is powerful indeed.

395 Interesting Times  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:54:06am

re: #393 Varek Raith

Creationist home school curriculum isn’t just inaccurate — it’s really, really dumb

Excellent training to spit back talking points, no matter how meaningless, toxic, or self-contradictory.

396 b.d.  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:54:08am

HOW DARE OBAMA SHAKE HANDS WITH A COMMUNIST

*typed from a Chinese made computer

397 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:56:26am

re: #393 Varek Raith

Creationist home school curriculum isn’t just inaccurate — it’s really, really dumb

Damn. And here I thought the piano tuner was going to make a Big Difference in some kid’s life.

398 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:58:34am

Firearm manufacturers really don’t care about the Constitution—they like profit.

According to the Freedom Group’s third quarter report, this year’s earnings spike came primarily from a $42 million bump in sales of “centerfire rifles,” a category which includes the XM-15. The report further notes that Freedom Group’s leading sellers were “modern sporting rifles”—the firearms industry’s euphemism for assault weapons. “Consumer concern over more restrictive governmental regulation on the federal, state, and local levels has contributed to this increase in demand,” the report says. The company would have sold even more guns, the report adds, if not for “sales demand being greater than our current production capacity in many categories.”

399 GunstarGreen  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 7:58:46am

re: #393 Varek Raith

Creationist home school curriculum isn’t just inaccurate — it’s really, really dumb

ACE has been known, for quite some time, as a very unhealthy indoctrination program. The entire point of it, from foundation up, is to essentially brainwash children into being good little ultra-religious drones that are actually, physically, incapable of questioning their religious leaders. Its very goal is to ensure that they are not equipped with the mental skills necessary to think for themselves.

If you read it, it is true, and it must be memorized. That is the lesson of ACE, because its goal is for the people it breaks to treat the Bible that same way.

400 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:00:21am

re: #399 GunstarGreen

ACE has been known, for quite some time, as a very unhealthy indoctrination program. The entire point of it, from foundation up, is to essentially brainwash children into being good little ultra-religious drones that are actually, physically, incapable of questioning their religious leaders. Its very goal is to ensure that they are not equipped with the mental skills necessary to think for themselves.

If you read it, it is true, and it must be memorized. That is the lesson of ACE, because its goal is for the people it breaks to treat the Bible that same way.

I’m constantly seeing hypocrisy. The same people who would teach this would point out the inadequacies of some of the Fundamentalist Islamic Schools—teaching students only to memorize the Koran in Arabic. I don’t see much difference.

401 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:02:13am

re: #391 makeitstop

Thank you, GGT! That’s one thing I definitely do not need.

I actually know someone who is battling Lymes. I am very glad to hear you won’t be going thru that.

But, do get re-checked. From what I understand, early detection is important.

402 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:05:14am
403 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:05:41am

DERP
Wealth redistribution is totally going on right now! How’s that working out for ya!

404 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:09:16am

Vocabulary Word for the Day:

Intersectionality is the study of intersections between different disenfranchised groups or groups of minorities; specifically, the study of the interactions of multiple systems of oppression or discrimination.[1] This feminist sociological theory was first highlighted by Kimberlé Crenshaw in 1989. The theory suggests that—and seeks to examine how—various biological, social and cultural categories such as gender, race, class, ability, sexual orientation, species, and other axes of identity interact on multiple and often simultaneous levels, contributing to systematic injustice and social inequality. Intersectionality holds that the classical conceptualizations of oppression within society, such as racism, sexism, homophobia, and belief-based bigotry including nationalism, do not act independently of one another; instead, these forms of oppression interrelate, creating a system of oppression that reflects the “intersection” of multiple forms of discrimination.[2]

New to me.

405 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:09:46am

re: #398 FemNaziBitch

Firearm manufacturers really don’t care about the Constitution—they like profit.

Not that we didn’t expect it, but this is all so sad in many ways.

I fear itchy trigger finger.

406 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:10:00am

re: #403 Lord of the Pies

DERP
Wealth redistribution is totally going on right now! How’s that working out for ya!

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Worked rather well in the 1950’s —until those uppity minorities got the CRA passed.

407 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:11:24am

re: #406 FemNaziBitch

Worked rather well in the 1950’s —until those uppity minorities got the CRA passed.

The 1% paid a 94% tax rate in the 1950’s.

408 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:12:29am

re: #396 b.d.

HOW DARE OBAMA SHAKE HANDS WITH A COMMUNIST

*typed from a Chinese made computer

*by a person wearing Chinese made clothing

409 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:12:44am

re: #405 ObserverArt

Not that we didn’t expect it, but this is all so sad in many ways.

I fear itchy trigger finger.

Oh, didn’t you know, Obama has been named the Firearm Manufactuers/NRA’s Man of the Year or something —they sold more guns since his first election than before.

You may not want to click.

Suffice it to say, they love Obama in secret. He has been a very profitable marketing tool for them.

410 GunstarGreen  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:14:03am

re: #400 FemNaziBitch

I’m constantly seeing hypocrisy. The same people who would teach this would point out the inadequacies of some of the Fundamentalist Islamic Schools—teaching students only to memorize the Koran in Arabic. I don’t see much difference.

Remember who and what we’re dealing with here. These people do not have any problem with a totalitarian theocracy. They just want to make sure it’s the correct totalitarian theocracy. “Religious Freedom™” does not mean freedom of religion, it means the right to impose their particular flavor of religion on everyone else by any means necessary.

411 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:16:25am

HURR HURR

412 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:16:32am

Public high school—let’s see the kids taught climate denial and creationist bullshit win these prizes. And not one of these winners a Smith or Jones.

Hewlett High seniors win Siemens grand prize

newsday.com

Congratulations, young ladies! We can use a lot more like you.

413 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:17:31am

Never been in a Lululemon store, myself. I like getting my yoga pants at the dance store —they fit better, last long and are cheap.

At present, Lululemon won’t even make pants larger than size 12, so this isn’t the first time some women have found themselves unwelcome at the yoga store for their size. He’s also made other objectionable remarks, like that breast cancer is caused in part by women working outside the home and taking birth control.

Considering the average women is now much taller than 40 years ago, a size 14 isn’t uncommon. It has nothing to do with fitness. Nice way to limit your market and your profits.

duh

414 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:17:40am

re: #398 FemNaziBitch

‘Assault Weapons’ is the dishonest term, not ‘centerfire sporting rifles’. Hell GGT, when the Diplomatic Security service buys short barrel, full auto versions of the AR-15 they call them “personal defense weapons” (PDWs). there is nothing wrong with firearms manufacturers fighting a nonsensical label slapped on by anti-politicians,

415 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:17:59am

re: #410 GunstarGreen

Remember who and what we’re dealing with here. These people do not have any problem with a totalitarian theocracy. They just want to make sure it’s the correct totalitarian theocracy. “Religious FreedomTM” does not mean freedom of religion, it means the right to impose their particular flavor of religion on everyone else by any means necessary.

You are right.

416 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:19:12am
417 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:19:17am

re: #414 Dark_Falcon

‘Assault Weapons’ is the dishonest term, not ‘centerfire sporting rifles’. Hell GGT, when the Diplomatic Security service buys short barrel, full auto versions of the AR-15 they call them “personal defense weapons” (PDWs). there is nothing wrong with firearms manufacturers fighting a nonsensical label slapped on by anti-politicians,

I think you missed the overall point in the details.

419 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:21:58am
420 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:22:45am
421 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:23:45am

re: #419 Eclectic Cyborg

WTF??

Gotta love conservative ‘jokes’.
e_e

422 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:24:23am

re: #420 FemNaziBitch

Everything you ever wanted to know about dragons.

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

423 makeitstop  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:26:47am

re: #411 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

Why are you so against ppl doing well? Those 1%’ers worked hard & made money. All ppl have can do same.

This guy, like most wingnuts, does not realize that those he is defending would not welcome him in their little rich guys’ club.

Arguing against their own best interests - it’s just what wingnuts do.

424 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:27:36am

re: #418 Varek Raith

Virginia GOP chair: Obama is ‘so close to death’ that he needs life insurance
Herpaderp!

That’s a death threat, nothing else I’m willing to believe it was. This asshole needs to be arrested posthaste. I don’t like the idea of using federal law enforcement as a political bludgeon, but in this case I think such a thing must be done. This recent trend of open threats against the president has to be stepped on, hard.

425 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:28:24am

Five men arrested in Mexican radioactive material theft

Morons were going to sell the device for scrap. Didn’t even know it was radioactive.
Derp.

426 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:29:04am

Welp, it’s not going to be the handshake that’s going to top the news…

427 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:29:23am

GOP Guide, How to Speak to Dames:
Youtube Video

428 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:30:04am

re: #423 makeitstop

This guy, like most wingnuts, does not realize that those he is defending would not welcome him in their little rich guys’ club.

Arguing against their own best interests - it’s just what wingnuts do.

OK the idiot called me HURR HURR U COMMUNIST

Pointless to continue a conversation with it. Blocked now.

429 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:32:00am
430 geoffm33  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:33:30am

re: #411 Lord of the Pies

Yeah, right. Said this the other day in response to a Q by @FeministaJones:

431 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:33:51am

This got mentioned upthread:

Here’s the follow-up:

How Tila Tequila’s warm new embrace of Adolf Hitler is going down at Stormfront

The article has some choice comments from the fascists (it’s about the same as the comments section of Breitbart.com). it also turns out she suffered a brain aneurysm last year, so she may be suffering from brain damage.

432 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:35:21am

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

This got mentioned upthread:

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Here’s the follow-up:

How Tila Tequila’s warm new embrace of Adolf Hitler is going down at Stormfront

The article has some choice comments from the fascists (it’s about the same as the comments section of Breitbart.com). it also turns out she suffered a brain aneurysm last year, so she may be suffering from brain damage.

Whut.

433 geoffm33  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:35:45am

re: #420 FemNaziBitch

Everything you ever wanted to know about dragons.

If it doesn’t reference their appetite for Taco’s then it isn’t everything.

434 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:36:17am

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

Welp, it’s not going to be the handshake that’s going to top the news…

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If looks could kill, that look from Michelle Obama would set the Danish PM on fire.

435 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:36:52am

re: #432 Varek Raith

Whut.

I wish I was kidding.

436 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:37:08am

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

If that is all it takes to qualify as “dressing up as a nazi”, the bar has been seriously lowered.

437 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:37:23am

re: #414 Dark_Falcon

‘Assault Weapons’ is the dishonest term, not ‘centerfire sporting rifles’. Hell GGT, when the Diplomatic Security service buys short barrel, full auto versions of the AR-15 they call them “personal defense weapons” (PDWs). there is nothing wrong with firearms manufacturers fighting a nonsensical label slapped on by anti-politicians,

I think you are doing a little word dancing too. Splitting some hairs. Lets say it this way. When you hear someone say assault rifle what do you think of? I’m pretty sure when you hear it you know exactly what is being describe.

Sometimes a word or term gains a definition by use. Think Kleenex or Crescent wrench…used to be common to call a copy a Xerox. They are a tissue, an adjustable wrench and a photo copy.

Plus, you can’t tell me that all of those rifles being bought are for sport either. It is fashion driven by stupid paranoia in addition to some bravura tossed in to prove some kind of point about being a real American. I bet many of those owners are happy to call them assault rifles. Sounds more bad ass.

I understand your point, but is it realistic?

438 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:37:39am
439 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:38:32am
440 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:40:48am

re: #434 Dark_Falcon

If looks could kill, that look from Michelle Obama would set the Danish PM on fire.

Michelle has one of those faces that, if she isn’t actively smiling, looks kind of harsh. I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions.

/signed, fellow victim of BRF

441 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:41:00am

re: #437 ObserverArt

I think you are doing a little word dancing too. Splitting some hairs. Lets say it this way. When you hear someone say assault rifle what do you think of? I’m pretty sure when you hear it you know exactly what is being describe.

Sometimes a word or term gains a definition by use. Think Kleenex or Crescent wrench…used to be common to call a copy a Xerox. They are a tissue, an adjustable wrench and a photo copy.

Plus, you can’t tell me that all of those rifles being bought are for sport either. It is fashion driven by stupid paranoia in addition to some bravura tossed in to prove some kind of point about being a real American. I bet many of those owners are happy to call them assault rifles. Sounds more bad ass.

I understand your point, but is it realistic?

Like my father, I split verbal hairs as a weapon. I enjoy doing it, but in this case I think it serves a purpose. The vast majority of AR and AK type rifles sold in the US are used for sport and will never be used on a human being. A handgun is far more likely to used to kill than any rifle.

442 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:42:44am

She also claims to have superpowers…
I think she’s batshit crazy.

443 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:42:47am

re: #346 Lord of the Pies

My son wrote about his meeting with Mandela.

He was most impressed with Madiba’s cool shirts!

Nice little essay!

444 Jim D  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:43:24am

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

Do you still think she needs a gun inserted into her vagina?

445 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:43:41am

re: #440 wrenchwench

Michelle has one of those faces that, if she isn’t actively smiling, looks kind of harsh. I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions.

/signed, fellow victim of BRF

Roger, Wilco.

446 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:44:53am

re: #442 Varek Raith

She also claims to have superpowers…
I think she’s batshit crazy.

Yep. And then there’s this little nugget:

Dear Diary,

This is the most epic depiction and true story of my life told to you in about 3 short minutes! Fucking sweet! This mini short film is literally based off of my real life. I literally battled real agents just like this in the 3D realm, but I also battled 3 reptilians or beasts in 4D realm last year in December!! I killed all of them and then I flew back up into my council. It was so strange because at that time I had no idea what was happening to me. All I knew was that it was all real. I looked up into the sky and a portal of light opened up! It was a circle and there were a bunch of Angels looking down on me, watching my battle. Then I flew up there to be with them and then it continues…. ‘til this very day. Oh, except for the reptilians. After I slained 3 of them last year they have stopped bothering me. They DID however, ask me to join their team before the battle began. Of course I politely apologized before I turned down the deal and then BAM MOTHERFUCKER! The battle began! It was only me against all 3 of them! It was epic! I was blasting out sonic booms all over the damn Universe! It sounded like SUPER LOUD drums or marching band noises echoing out in space! I don’t know how else to describe it in this 3D language but that’s what it sounded like. I finally killed them, and then right after that I had to perform at a live concert at one of my shows on tour in Germany at that time.

Yep, she’s lost it.

447 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:45:54am

re: #444 Jim D

Do you still think she needs a gun inserted into her vagina?

Nope. That was just me being pissed off. I’ve also said that people who really pissed me off can ‘go fuck [themselves] with a railroad spike’. It’s not meant to be taken literally.

448 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:47:20am

re: #446 Dr Lizardo

Image: 71c.gif

449 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:47:45am

Afraid we won’t get snow for a while here in NC, but it appears we’ll have a “chance of rain” every day between now and xmas. Blech.

450 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:47:54am
451 Jim D  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:50:07am

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

Why be so pissed off? A stupid person says something stupid. It doesn’t merit such violent language. Suggesting a person be violated with a gun is a nasty thing to say.

452 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:50:21am

re: #448 Varek Raith

Image: 71c.gif

Heh. Seriously, Ms. Tequila seems to have lost her mind - her grip on sanity is tenuous at best, I’d say. Incidentally, I had to read that quote of hers a couple of times to ascertain that - as far as I can tell - this was not something she saw in the online world. She seems to believe that this was a genuine experience.

453 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:50:37am

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

“…but in this case I think it serves a purpose.”

Don’t you mean an agenda?

454 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:50:52am

Garry’s Mod FTW

455 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:51:22am

Ah, seems Dasani’s story was so troubling, it must be a lie.

456 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:51:46am

Satanists seek spot on Oklahoma Statehouse steps

OKLAHOMA CITY - In their zeal to tout their faith in the public square, conservatives in Oklahoma may have unwittingly opened the door to a wide range of religious groups, including Satanists who are seeking to put their own statue next to a Ten Commandments monument outside the Statehouse.

The Republican-controlled Legislature in this state known as the buckle of the Bible Belt authorized the privately funded Ten Commandments monument in 2009, and it was placed on the Capitol grounds last year despite criticism from legal experts who questioned its constitutionality. The Oklahoma chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit seeking its removal.

But the New York-based Satanic Temple saw an opportunity. It notified the state’s Capitol Preservation Commission that it wants to donate a monument and plans to submit one of several possible designs this month, said Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the temple.

457 Skip Intro  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:53:26am

re: #449 Justanotherhuman

Afraid we won’t get snow for a while here in NC, but it appears we’ll have a “chance of rain” every day between now and xmas. Blech.

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Meanwhile where I live in California we’re just around a half inch away from having one whole inch of rain this season.

458 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:53:47am

the twisted brain of whackoism:

459 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:55:56am

re: #437 ObserverArt

I think you are doing a little word dancing too. Splitting some hairs. Lets say it this way. When you hear someone say assault rifle what do you think of? I’m pretty sure when you hear it you know exactly what is being describe.

Sometimes a word or term gains a definition by use. Think Kleenex or Crescent wrench…used to be common to call a copy a Xerox. They are a tissue, an adjustable wrench and a photo copy.

Plus, you can’t tell me that all of those rifles being bought are for sport either. It is fashion driven by stupid paranoia in addition to some bravura tossed in to prove some kind of point about being a real American. I bet many of those owners are happy to call them assault rifles. Sounds more bad ass.

I understand your point, but is it realistic?

Still, the point was that the Gun Industry is using the Constitution for profit, not to ensure civil rights. They have a propaganda machine that is really a marketing machine called THE NRA.

460 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:57:03am

re: #451 Jim D

Why be so pissed off? A stupid person says something stupid. It doesn’t merit such violent language. Suggesting a person be violated with a gun is a nasty thing to say.

And could be criminal, depending on the circumstances.

I love when the good ole boys think their humor doesn’t hurt people, then the FBI shows up at their door. (Ted Nugent)

461 122 Year Old Obama  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:57:16am

re: #458 FemNaziBitch

the twisted brain of whackoism:

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*ragequits life*

462 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:57:19am

re: #450 FemNaziBitch

Target is stocking Star Fleet Maternity Uniforms!

teehee

As long as the colors used are blue or gold, A pregnant woman ought not to be depicted as a red shirt.

rimshot

463 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:58:20am

re: #453 Justanotherhuman

“…but in this case I think it serves a purpose.”

Don’t you mean an agenda?

Well played.

464 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:59:00am

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

Nope. That was just me being pissed off. I’ve also said that people who really pissed me off can ‘go fuck [themselves] with a railroad spike’. It’s not meant to be taken literally.

As firearm buffs are quick to point out, everything is serious when guns are involved.

Dark, if you said that to me, I’d call the police and possibly petition for an Order of Protection.

465 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 8:59:51am

re: #460 FemNaziBitch

And could be criminal, depending on the circumstances.

I love when the good ole boys think their humor doesn’t hurt people.

It wasn’t really humor, and I didn’t mean it literally. I am sorry that I offended.

466 Interesting Times  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:00:12am

re: #455 FemNaziBitch

Ah, seems Dasani’s story was so troubling, it must be a lie.

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Newsmax and NY post are rightwing rags. I’d wait for confirmation from a reputable source.

467 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:01:00am

re: #460 FemNaziBitch

And could be criminal, depending on the circumstances.

I love when the good ole boys think their humor doesn’t hurt people, then the FBI shows up at their door. (Ted Nugent)

I prefer my good ole boys drinking whiskey in Rye.

468 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:02:01am

re: #466 Interesting Times

Newsmax and NY post are rightwing rags. I’d wait for confirmation from a reputable source.

That being my point. I think it’s a good thing the story hit some buttons —causing a flurry of denial attempts.

469 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:02:59am

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

It wasn’t really humor, and I didn’t mean it literally. I am sorry that I offended.

Calling Dr. Freud.

470 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:03:48am

re: #459 FemNaziBitch

Still, the point was that the Gun Industry is using the Constitution for profit, not to ensure civil rights. They have a propaganda machine that is really a marketing machine called THE NRA.

I wholeheartedly agree. The real dynamic is playing the threat of Obama against the Constitution with a bunch of fools that in my opinion have interpreted the Constitution in a manner the forefathers would probably be aghast to find. The NRA is the carnival barker in the middle and the gun manufacturers go about their merry way.

What I’d like to understand is what do any of the gun makers think when they hear a report about an Aurora Colorado or a Sandy Hook Connecticut. Does it hit them in a human way or is it all business?

This is just my opinion, but I could not own, operate or own stock in a gun company or sell guns, etc. It would give me the chills.

471 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:06:35am

re: #470 ObserverArt

I wholeheartedly agree. The real dynamic is playing the threat of Obama against the Constitution with a bunch of fools that in my opinion have interpreted the Constitution in a manner the forefathers would probably be aghast to find. The NRA is the carnival barker in the middle and the gun manufacturers go about their merry way.

What I’d like to understand is what do any of the gun makers think when they hear a report about an Aurora Colorado or a Sandy Hook Connecticut. Does it hit them in a human way or is it all business?

This is just my opinion, but I could not own, operate or own stock in a gun company or sell guns, etc. It would give me the chills.

I honestly think most are horrified. But, being manly men, they suck in their guns and continue the fight.

It’s Man Box thing, seriously.

472 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:08:07am

re: #463 Dark_Falcon

Well played.

I’m sort of wondering if you got Justanotherhuman’s point. She may have been talking about using ‘center fire sport rifle’ to soften what has become the standard term of assault rifle. And you are thinking ‘assault rifle’ is used to scare people about guns.

See how tricky words can be and how a simple statement can have different interpretations.

473 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:09:47am
474 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:11:17am

re: #473 FemNaziBitch

How a Toilet Makes Everyone Taller

Isn’t that a Larry the Cable Guy routine?

475 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:12:17am

re: #397 Justanotherhuman

Damn. And here I thought the piano tuner was going to make a Big Difference in some kid’s life.

I can testify that piano tuners make a big difference in my life. I hate playing an untuned piano.

476 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:12:47am

re: #472 ObserverArt

I’m sort of wondering if you got Justanotherhuman’s point. She may have been talking about using ‘center fire sport rifle’ to soften what has become the standard term of assault rifle. And you are thinking ‘assault rifle’ is used to scare people about guns.

See how tricky words can be and how a simple statement can have different interpretations.

Current usage in the 2A world distinguishes “Brown Guns” from “Black Guns”. Brown gunners (Fudds) are the sane hunting/target community with their solid stock rifles/shotguns. Black gunners are the ‘tree of liberty’ whackos with their faux assault rifles. It’s a workable distinction.

477 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:15:45am

Yes, we all need one!

Which Lizards Knit?

478 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:16:14am

re: #436 Eclectic Cyborg

If that is all it takes to qualify as “dressing up as a nazi”, the bar has been seriously lowered.

Maybe it’s short for “dressing up as a Nazi’s sexual fantasy.”

479 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:16:16am

re: #476 Decatur Deb

Current usage in the 2A world distinguishes “Brown Guns” from “Black Guns”. Brown gunners (Fudds) are the sane hunting/target community with their solid stock rifles/shotguns. Black gunners are the ‘tree of liberty’ whackos with their faux assault rifles. It’s a workable distinction.

and that is BS, IMHO.

480 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:18:27am

re: #477 FemNaziBitch

Yes, we all need one!

Which Lizards Knit?

I think klys does.

481 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:19:11am

re: #472 ObserverArt

I’m sort of wondering if you got Justanotherhuman’s point. She may have been talking about using ‘center fire sport rifle’ to soften what has become the standard term of assault rifle. And you are thinking ‘assault rifle’ is used to scare people about guns.

See how tricky words can be and how a simple statement can have different interpretations.

No, I just think sporting guns should be one-shots, like the one shot shotgun. Why do you need a repeating rifle to shoot game? Isn’t the “sport” the art of learning to use a gun to kill for food anyway? I have no problem with those people.

It those who think they have to be armed to the teeth with multiple shot weapons because they’re tiny little cowards in real life.

482 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:19:12am

re: #469 FemNaziBitch

Calling Dr. Freud.

I already know what he’d say, and like PLL I am prone to what he calls ‘trigger reactions’. I guard myself tightly against them, but this time one of them got past me. I am sorry it happened, and I will work harder to prevent it from happening again.

483 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:19:33am
484 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:21:21am

re: #481 Justanotherhuman

No, I just think sporting guns should be one-shots, like the one shot shotgun. Why do you need a repeating rifle to shoot game? Isn’t the “sport” the art of learning to use a gun to kill for food anyway? I have no problem with those people.

It those who think they have to be armed to the teeth with multiple shot weapons because they’re tiny little cowards in real life.

Hey, most bolt-action rifles hold around 5 rounds. And it can take more than one shot to put down large game. You would not want to have a single shot rifle if you were hunting bears or cougars.

485 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:22:44am
486 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:23:54am

re: #484 Dark_Falcon

Hey, most bolt-action rifles hold around 5 rounds. And it can take more than one shot to put down large game. You would not want to have a single shot rifle if you were hunting bears or cougars.

And there is some regulation about shotguns too. Can’t remember exactly, but in IL you have to have less than the gun can hold.

487 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:24:00am

Bryan combines Islamophobia and Homophobia into one sickening Tweet. (Not embedding, click on at own risk)

488 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:24:10am

re: #482 Dark_Falcon

I already know what he’d say, and like PLL I am prone to what he calls ‘trigger reactions’. I guard myself tightly against them, but this time one of them got past me. I am sorry it happened, and I will work harder to prevent it from happening again.

You can get help for that DL.

489 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:24:54am

re: #250 Justanotherhuman

This is how I make a “hamburger”: 1/3 lb chuck (no other cut) hamburger shaped into patty, because chuck is more flavorful, but not as fatty, than the regular crap, and also more flavorful than ground round, which tends to be dry. Fry, but do not press on the meat to make it cook faster, because you’ll lose the juices, but do cook it done on a medium heat (I usually cover because it can splatter).* Place 1 slice of yellow American cheese on top to melt. Prepare a large sesame seed bun with mayo, spread thin, not piled, on one side, your favorite mustard on the other. If they ever make a whole grain sesame seed bun available to me, I’ll use those. Place green leaf or iceberg lettuce on mayo side w/a good slice of ripe tomato, and 3 pickle slices (we prefer bread and butter) on the mustard side on top of a thin, intact slice of Vidalia onion, then the cheese side of burger on top of that. Order of ingredients is important, and all your food groups are in this one sandwich. This isn’t obsession, really, it’s trial and error over the years, and really, anything else is an abomination. Kobe beef smothered with caviar? Truffles? Those aren’t burgers, they’re attention grabbers, as if anyone really cares except the idiots who will pay for them.

That is also how I make turkey burgers because I don’t eat beef. I’ve tried the soy and black bean types, but they just don’t do anything for me and don’t have a good “mouth feel”, either. “‘Burgers” are delicious, simple and all the ingredients are readily available. The burger by itself should be enough—no need for fries, onion rings, etc. You don’t need the extra fat or carbs.

You?

*Sorry, but I don’t believe in eating any animal products rare or partially done.

Now, I need breakfast. : )

If you can find them and like a heat-sweet kick may I suggest substituting bread-and-butter jalapeno peppers for the pickles.

490 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:26:55am

re: #472 ObserverArt

I’m sort of wondering if you got Justanotherhuman’s point. She may have been talking about using ‘center fire sport rifle’ to soften what has become the standard term of assault rifle. And you are thinking ‘assault rifle’ is used to scare people about guns.

See how tricky words can be and how a simple statement can have different interpretations.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.
There are no wimmins on teh webz.
/

491 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:27:30am

re: #488 FemNaziBitch

You can get help for that DF.

I’m working on it, and I get better every year. It’s now a very rare problem, and if it gets bad I know whom to talk to. Thank you, though.


BTW, you might want to edit your post. ‘DL’ is RWC’s wife.

492 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:28:34am
493 GunstarGreen  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:28:53am

re: #483 Lord of the Pies

The national reactions to Mandela’s funeral — one of the most solemn and important events of the century — have been nothing short of enraging for me. Our society has become so sick, so degenerate and shamelessly self-oriented, that we’ve managed to make petty hash out of the funeral of one of the finest and most noble humans to have ever lived.

Unfortunately, AM750 happens to be the best traffic reporting in town, so they’re what I listen to in the mornings while trying to tune out the RWNJ talk garbage. Now that Boortz is retired, they still have him on at 8:45 every morning for a couple of minutes of Obama bashing. This morning he opined that seeing Obama’s speech at Mandela’s funeral on the screens of the exercise equipment at his local gym ‘warmed his heart — because everyone was changing the channel’.

Fucking worms, all of them.

494 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:31:56am

re: #487 Lord of the Pies

Bryan combines Islamophobia and Homophobia into one sickening Tweet. (Not embedding, click on at own risk)

Twitter media flagged, and I flagged the vid on YouTube as well.

495 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:32:31am

Today is National Hate Florida Day!

NEVER MIND, WRONG LINK -see #501 or 2

496 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:33:06am


Heh.

497 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:33:15am

Monorail Cat does amazing 90 degree turn.

498 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:33:47am

re: #495 FemNaziBitch

Today is National Hate Florida Day!

Wrong link?

499 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:33:47am

#BENDOGZI is the scandal that will finally take down Obama!

liberalbias.com

500 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:33:49am
The Religious Society of Friends in Britain, generally known as the Quakers, say they are “delighted” by today’s announcement that the first same-sex marriages in England and Wales can take place from 29 March 2014.
501 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:34:54am

re: #498 Varek Raith

Wrong link?

Today is National Hate Florida Day!

502 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:35:38am

So, Steve Stockman (R-Mars) is planning on primarying against Sen. Cornyn’s for the US Senate.

Here’s some of Stockman’s biggest hits (and we’re familiar with most, and probably can mention a whole lot more).

503 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:37:05am

I’ve got to get going.

BBL

504 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:37:59am

Does Steve Stockman actually do anything besides tweet out conspiracy theories and lunatical rantings?

505 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:38:30am
506 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:39:37am

re: #489 Feline Fearless Leader

If you can find them and like a heat-sweet kick may I suggest substituting bread-and-butter jalapeno peppers for the pickles.

I beg to respectfully differ. The ONLY correct pickle for a good burger is a DILL pickle. I will allow for some leeway between kosher and regular dill, but only effete intellectual snobs and communists put bread and butter pickles on a burger.

RBS

507 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:40:43am
508 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:43:45am

re: #501 FemNaziBitch

Today is National Hate Florida Day!

I wouldn’t mind some cooler weather. We still have our AC going and it’s Dec 10th. It’s ridiculous.

509 Ian G.  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:45:28am

re: #496 lawhawk

And the biggest surprise is than one of them ISN’T Bill Clinton.

510 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:48:55am

re: #509 Ian G.

And the biggest surprise is than one of them ISN’T Bill Clinton. YET

FTFY

511 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:49:31am

re: #506 RealityBasedSteve

I beg to respectfully differ. The ONLY correct pickle for a good burger is a DILL pickle. I will allow for some leeway between kosher and regular dill, but only effete intellectual snobs and communists put bread and butter pickles on a burger.

RBS

My response doesn’t violate that since I am advocating using pickled hot peppers instead of either a sweet or dill traditional pickle.
:)

512 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:50:42am

Winter comes to Turkey:

hurriyetdailynews.com

I just thought I’d share that. Beautiful country.

513 jaunte  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:50:49am

re: #502 lawhawk

3 An investigation by the Houston Chronicle found that Stockman has “failed to make federally required disclosures about business affiliations that stretch from Texas to the British Virgin Islands.” The report also found that Stockman has not provided any details about the business which Stockman says is his only source of income.

I’m still curious about that one. Who’s he really working for?

514 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:52:30am

Wingnuts head asploding today because of:

1. TEH HANDSHAKE!!!!!
2. TEH SELFIE!!!!1
3. MICHELLE’S ANGRY FACE!!!!111

515 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:52:30am

re: #513 jaunte

I’m still curious about that one. Who’s he really working for?

A Mysterious Entity, obviously.

:0

516 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:52:50am

Yeah, I really have to accomplish something.

bbl

517 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 9:57:58am

re: #514 Lord of the Pies

Wingnuts head asploding today because of:

1. TEH HANDSHAKE!!!!!
2. TEH SELFIE!!!!1
3. MICHELLE’S ANGRY FACE!!!!111

Another picture:

518 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:01:10am
519 Mattand  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:01:25am

re: #487 Lord of the Pies

Bryan combines Islamophobia and Homophobia into one sickening Tweet. (Not embedding, click on at own risk)

Pass, thanks.

520 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:02:06am

re: #502 lawhawk

So, Steve Stockman (R-Mars) is planning on primarying against Sen. Cornyn’s for the US Senate.

Here’s some of Stockman’s biggest hits (and we’re familiar with most, and probably can mention a whole lot more).

Nobody on the right would find any of this crazy or objectionable and most of them would be prepared to offer extensive arguments as to why he is such a great candidate.

521 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:03:22am

re: #425 Varek Raith

Five men arrested in Mexican radioactive material theft

Morons were going to sell the device for scrap. Didn’t even know it was radioactive.
Derp.

Same thing happened around 1980—a medical device with a source (cesium?) was surplussed to Mexico, eventually found its way into recycle construction rebar. It was re-imported here, and a load set off rad detectors as it drove past one of our installations. (I was gratified to learn they were that sensitive.) IIRC, a new building or two had to be torn down.

522 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:04:08am
523 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:04:56am

re: #521 Decatur Deb

Same thing happened around 1980—a medical device with a source (cesium?) was surplussed to Mexico, eventually found its way into recycle construction rebar. It was re-imported here, and a load set off rad detectors as it drove past one of our installations. (I was gratified to learn they were that sensitive.) IIRC, a new building or two had to be torn down.

Talk about hot rods…

524 jaunte  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:05:05am

Are handshakes the most powerful magical gesture?

525 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:05:07am

re: #521 Decatur Deb

Same thing happened around 1980—a medical device with a source (cesium?) was surplussed to Mexico, eventually found its way into recycle construction rebar. It was re-imported here, and a load set off rad detectors as it drove past one of our installations. (I was gratified to learn they were that sensitive.) IIRC, a new building or two had to be torn down.

Reminds me of the Goiana Radiological Incident in Brazil back in 1987.

en.wikipedia.org

526 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:07:36am
527 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:09:01am

re: #513 jaunte

I’m still curious about that one. Who’s he really working for?

The truth is out there…

Right Here….

RBS
No… look a little bit to you left… see it?

528 jaunte  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:10:19am

re: #527 RealityBasedSteve

But seriously, it’s hard to believe someone not know the source of $350k income over a couple of years.

529 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:14:35am

re: #528 jaunte

But seriously, it’s hard to believe someone not know the source of $350k income over a couple of years.

I’m sure he knows, it’s just, erm, “too difficult to explain”

530 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:14:47am

re: #528 jaunte

But seriously, it’s hard to believe someone not know the source of $350k income over a couple of years.

I agree 100% with you. I could see where maybe if it were a small amount of money, perhaps something that was intermingled with other funds it could be overlooked in the paperwork (being generous here). But 350K is a substancial sum by any measure, not the kind of thing like “Oh, forgot about the 200 dollars interest from those old bonds that my great-grandfather left me” type thing.

RBS

531 AlexRogan  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:22:09am

My house at about 1:00 AM this morning:

Image: 2013-12-10_00.51.54.jpg

532 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:23:16am

re: #531 AlexRogan

Nice and Christmas-y.

533 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:23:32am

re: #531 AlexRogan

My house at about 1:00 AM this morning:

Image: 2013-12-10_00.51.54.jpg

Why would you leave the lights on that late when there is nobody around to appreciate it?

Or did you just turn on the lights to take a picture?

534 Skip Intro  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:24:17am

re: #502 lawhawk

So, Steve Stockman (R-Mars) is planning on primarying against Sen. Cornyn’s for the US Senate.

Here’s some of Stockman’s biggest hits (and we’re familiar with most, and probably can mention a whole lot more).

[Embedded content]

Apparently he didn’t file to run for Congress again, so it looks like he’s lined up a job with people who have no concern about ethical violations, i..e. Fox News and the Heritage Foundation.

535 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:24:39am

re: #531 AlexRogan

My house at about 1:00 AM this morning:

Image: 2013-12-10_00.51.54.jpg

Alex, I don’t want to alarm you, but it looks like there are steps leading down the driveway and into your house…. Somebody is in the house man!!!! Run!!!

Seriously, nice pic. What prompted you to go out and take a pic a 1 am however?

RBS

536 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:27:15am

I agree with Willis. I don’t understand why all these RWNJs have such a crush on the Kochs and the Waltons? Srsly do they really believe they will grow up to become a Koch or a Walton? Ain’t gonna happen, Kochs & Waltons think they are dogshit, like they think Teh Poors are dogshit.

537 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:30:41am
538 AlexRogan  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:31:13am

re: #533 Lord of the Pies

Why would you leave the lights on that late when there is nobody around to appreciate it?

Or did you just turn on the lights to take a picture?

I’d actually started to turn them off at about 0015 (because I was too damn lazy to have turned them off earlier); it was sleeting a bit and I knew we were supposed to get a little snow early this morning, but as I was shutting it down, I noticed that it was switching to snow. I fired it all back up, went inside to put my regular shoes back on and check my camera (which the rechargeable battery was dead as a doornail), and went back outside with my cell phone (a Galaxy S4, whose night mode does surprisingly well).

In the space of less than ten minutes, it went from very little on the ground to what’s in that picture (and it kept coming down fairly good for at least an hour or so, until it started changing back over to sleet).

539 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:32:41am

re: #530 RealityBasedSteve

But 350K is a substancial sum by any measure, not the kind of thing like “Oh, forgot about the 200 dollars interest from those old bonds that my great-grandfather left me” type thing.

RBS

Unless you are Mitt Romney

540 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:33:33am

HURR HURR IT WAS TEH SEEKRIT COMMUNIST HANDSHAKE OF TEH COMRADES!!!!!11!!!!

541 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:35:54am

re: #524 jaunte

Are handshakes the most powerful magical gesture?

No, the macarena is.

542 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:35:54am

The Kaiju are coming. The Kaiju are coming!

And there aren’t any Jaegers this time around.

Youtube Video

Oh, and that’s no ordinary kaiju. It’s the one. The only. Godzilla (Americanized of course).

543 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:40:29am

re: #542 lawhawk

The Kaiju are coming. The Kaiju are coming!

And there aren’t any Jaegers this time around.

[Embedded content]

Oh, and that’s no ordinary kaiju. It’s the one. The only. Godzilla (Americanized of course).

Oh, yeah.

544 klys  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:40:32am

Morning Lizards.

I missed the tasty food discussion upthread, I see, but I’ll comment anyway.

Tataki in SF has some fantastic sushi for those who like that - and it is sustainably sourced. One of the few places the husband likes to go in the US.

We’re lucky and have a bunch of izakayas here in the South Bay. Dan is always fantastic.

And then of course, there’s the various ramen shops. Mmmmm.

545 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:48:44am

Walmart Bans Man for Life for Taking Advantage of Store Policy of Price-Matching

And to their deaths, RWNJs will still defend this sorry excuse for a merchant.

546 Joanne  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:56:34am

re: #63 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

And our low estate taxes continue to make a mockery of the idea of a ‘level playing field’. And kind of incidentally ruin rich kid’s lives, too.

I just finished up some Durkheim work, and I’d forgotten about his stuff on suicide. In Durkheim’s day, he found the highest number of suicides among the wealthiest classes. He identified this sort of suicide as ‘egoistical’ suicide, where there are no natural limits to check you, you know that you’ll never accomplish anything and feel that it’s really yours because of the advantages you started with— there’s no satisfaction to life.

Obviously, this doesn’t mean every rich, unbound person who inherited their wealth kills themselves. But out of the kids of really rich parents I know, only two of them aren’t severely fucked up, and they were the two that were most shielded from privilege.

My husband is one of ten children. All of them accomplished, intelligent, caring…the full shebang.

When he was growing up, they lived in a small house (13 people, including grandma) on the good side of town, alongside doctors, lawyers, etc., and all these other families used to say nothing but bad things about All Those Kids Over There.

Almost every one of those families’ kids got into trouble with the law or just in trouble generally - and almost always got out of it with a slap on the wrist until which time it was so egregious that the police had to act. None of hubby’s siblings (or himself) ever did.

There is definitely something to be said for your argument.

547 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 10, 2013 11:14:05am

re: #545 Dr. Matt

Walmart Bans Man for Life for Taking Advantage of Store Policy of Price-Matching

And to their deaths, RWNJs will still defend this sorry excuse for a merchant.

Sounds like a card-counter trying to get in to a casino. He’d be hard to disguise.


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