Overnight Space Photo: The Glory of Saturn’s Rings

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Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/Space Science Institute

Among the interplay of Saturn’s shadow and rings, Mimas, which appears in the lower-right corner of the image, orbits Saturn as a set of the ever-intriguing spokes appear in the B ring (just to the right of center).

Scientists expect that spokes will soon cease to form as Saturn approaches northern equinox. The exact mechanism of spoke formation is still the subject of debate, but ring scientists do know that spokes no longer appear when the Sun is higher in Saturn’s sky. It is believed that this has to do with the ability of micron-sized ring grains to maintain an electrical charge and levitate above the rings, forming spokes. Thus, these may be some of the last spokes ever imaged by Cassini.

This view looks toward the unilluminated side of the rings from about 38 degrees below the ringplane. The image was taken in visible light with the Cassini spacecraft wide-angle camera on Oct. 22, 2013.

The view was obtained at a distance of approximately 1.6 million miles (2.6 million kilometers) from Saturn and at a Sun-Saturn-spacecraft, or phase, angle of 146 degrees. Image scale is 93 miles (150 kilometers) per pixel.

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1 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:23:06pm

Youtube Video

A revised version of David Bowie’s Space Oddity, recorded by Commander Chris Hadfield on board the International Space Station.

2 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:31:13pm

I look at those rings and read about the structures in them. Gaps and spokes. Simple physical forces right? Mass, gravity, vacuum. But no that is really thick orbital mechanics. Way high end math. still not understood in full.

Solve those equations and they just might help us get out there to visit in person.

3 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:41:40pm

It amazes me how second amendment issues are the most contentious issues on this here spot on the Internet. Just a random observation from the thread downstairs and various others. (Not that rape wasn’t tangential to the arguments in the thread, but it was sparked by concealed carry discussion).

4 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:42:39pm

Both of my 11 yo daughters love science. One wants to be an engineer. I feel blessed.

5 sagehen  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:44:44pm

Wasn’t Staples the company Mitt kept citing as a great job-creating long-term growth success story for investment banking?

6 jaunte  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:48:13pm

State redesigns road to save ancient oak trees

Four ancient oaks that survived fires and droughts but were about to be felled for a highway were spared Thursday when state officials redesigned the road.

The trees, part of a rare stand of centuries-old live oaks a few miles south of College Station, were the focus of an ongoing dispute between the family that has owned the land and Texas Department of Transportation officials. The solution, reached after two days of work by state engineers, is to build the highway bypass around the trees, with a narrower median commonly used in cities.

Some good news for a change.

7 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:51:28pm

BTW, Charles, did you get that embed feature to work in comments yet? I saw you’d tried it last night (?) but it didn’t work.

8 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:53:52pm

I’m going to play on photoshop and listen to my book

have a great night all!

9 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:55:52pm
10 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:56:36pm

re: #7 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not yet. Turns out to be a little more difficult than it looked.

11 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 8:58:05pm

I would say I’m surprised if this wasn’t expected…

12 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:12:59pm
13 Kragar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:15:34pm

re: #12 NJDhockeyfan

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Nominations for the peace prize are close to meaningless, the criteria is so low.

14 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:17:03pm

re: #11 NJDhockeyfan

I would say I’m surprised if this wasn’t expected…

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At this point, Syria is the ultimate geopolitical fuckfest. There are no viable options. Everything points to a failed state, unstable for the foreseeable future.

I wish there was a god to help the civilians, because the world has given up on them.

15 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:25:56pm

re: #11 NJDhockeyfan

I would say I’m surprised if this wasn’t expected…

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They are supposed to have destroyed all the stockpiles by now but…

only a quarter of the so-called priority 1 chemicals, the most dangerous ingredients for chemical weapons, have been relinquished, officials said.

Syria is not taking the deadline for the destruction of production facilities seriously, another source at the OPCW said on Thursday.

16 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:29:04pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

They are supposed to have destroyed all the stockpiles by now but…

They got away with it and have no incentive to give up the rest . What a fucking disaster.

17 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:30:12pm

re: #13 Kragar

I don’t like the subhead: “A controversial pick.” It’s not a pick, it’s a nomination. Jonah Goldberg claims he was nominated for a Pulitzer. Well, anyone can be nominated for those kinds of award. It’s not like the Oscars. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was nominated by someone in Russia.

18 Kragar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:33:58pm

re: #17 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Nomination and Selection of Peace Prize Laureates

Process of Nomination and Selection

The Norwegian Nobel Committee is responsible for selecting the Nobel Peace Prize Laureates. A nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize may be submitted by any persons who are qualified to nominate.
Qualified Nominators

According to the statutes of the Nobel Foundation, a nomination is considered valid if it is submitted by a person who falls within one of the following categories:
• Members of national assemblies and governments of states
• Members of international courts
• University rectors; professors of social sciences, history, philosophy, law and theology; directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes
• Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
• Board members of organizations that have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
• Active and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; (proposals by members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after February 1)
• Former advisers to the Norwegian Nobel Committee )
Candidacy Criteria

The candidates eligible for the Nobel Peace Prize are those persons or organizations nominated by qualified individuals, see above. A nomination for yourself will not be taken into consideration.

19 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:34:49pm

re: #17 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I don’t like the subhead: “A controversial pick.” It’s not a pick, it’s a nomination. Jonah Goldberg claims he was nominated for a Pulitzer. Well, anyone can be nominated for those kinds of award. It’s not like the Oscars. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was nominated by someone in Russia.

Do they list who nominates people or is it a secret?

20 Kragar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:39:54pm

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

Are the nominations made public?

The statutes of the Nobel Foundation restrict disclosure of information about the nominations, whether publicly or privately, for 50 years. The restriction concerns the nominees and nominators, as well as investigations and opinions related to the award of a prize.

21 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:40:19pm

re: #18 Kragar

• Members of national assemblies and governments of states

I’m sure Vlad the Impaler could find someone in the Russian government to nominate his ass.

22 Kragar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:42:08pm

re: #21 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’m sure Vlad the Impaler could find someone in the Russian government to nominate his ass.

Yeah, or some school somewhere to do it.

23 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:51:43pm

re: #20 Kragar

So I have to wait until I’m 103 to find out.

24 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 9:57:03pm

re: #21 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’m sure Vlad the Impaler could find someone in the Russian government to nominate his ass.

As head of the government he could have even nominated himself, though it’s more likely he made some United Russia party lackey do it just in case the nomination letter got leaked. Hypothetically Henry Kissinger could have nominated him.

25 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 10:03:38pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

No, the criteria said one cannot nominate oneself. Per #18:

A nomination for yourself will not be taken into consideration.

26 Kragar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 10:06:04pm

re: #25 Rev_Arthur_Belling

No, the criteria said one cannot nominate oneself. Per #18:

“Sergei, nominate me or I kill your family.”
“Yes, Mr. President.”

Problem solved.

27 Lidane  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 10:14:45pm

It’s that time of year again.

28 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 10:16:38pm

re: #26 Kragar

yeah, that was my original thought.

In Russia, Nobel nominate you.

29 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 10:17:51pm

re: #27 Lidane

I am so over SXSW. You know what SXSW gave us? Twitter. i remember the good ole days when it was just a music festival with a lot of great and upcoming bands.

/my lawn, off it.

30 Kragar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 10:19:26pm

re: #27 Lidane

It’s that time of year again.

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My brother is there for his job this weekend. My mom was telling me how her great-grandfather was part of the team that transported the granite to the site and was part of the crew putting the statue on the rotunda.

Image: Texas_capitol_goddess_1888.jpg

31 Lidane  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 10:31:21pm

re: #29 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I am so over SXSW. You know what SXSW gave us? Twitter. i remember the good ole days when it was just a music festival with a lot of great and upcoming bands.

/my lawn, off it.

It also gave us Foursquare, which was the bane of my existence in grad school.

I’d love to go this year, just to hit the parties. Free booze and food are always a good thing. Heh. Also, Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Adam Savage are doing keynotes. That would be cool. I’m hitting the Tech Expo just because a bunch of companies will be recruiting, but that’s free and open to the public so it doesn’t really count.

32 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 10:37:06pm

re: #31 Lidane

It’s become like the technohipster Davos.

33 darthstar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:06:05pm

Kid jerks off to porn. Kid recognizes classmate. Kid outs classmate. Pornographer outs kid. America!

Dear Mr. Bagley,

First off, I would like to thank you for being such a fan of our business. For someone who subscribes to a site like Facial Abuse I want to commend you for spending the $200 a week your parents send you every week for living expenses wisely. Facial Abuse is a great site! There is nothing like watching a new girl getting a huge cock viciously rammed down her throat. I like your taste!

I want to also commend you on getting accepted into Duke. Great school! I am sure your parents are proud. I bet you pull straight A’s when you’re not whacking it to Facial Abuse and Casting Couch movies. I love our fans and I love you! You are the type of guy that makes our business move.

He even offers the kid 10K and the opportunity to “bang any star” he wants.

34 Kragar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:07:01pm
35 Lidane  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:07:35pm

re: #32 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It’s become like the technohipster Davos.

Oh god yes. Last year, the Interactive and Film parts of SXSW meant loud party buses with loud drunks and booming techno music circling Downtown Austin at 10am. It’s basically Spring Break for Silicon Valley nerds and hipsters.

Hilariously, by the time the Music part started after the nerds had gone home, things got a lot calmer and quieter overall. I guess it’s because all the musicians were in bed until the afternoon and they didn’t get going until after dark. Heh.

36 darthstar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:11:27pm
37 Lidane  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:12:51pm
38 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:15:32pm

re: #37 Lidane

Where’s the real doggie?
/

39 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:20:41pm

re: #33 darthstar

Kid jerks off to porn. Kid recognizes classmate. Kid outs classmate. Pornographer outs kid. America!

He even offers the kid 10K and the opportunity to “bang any star” he wants.

The girl in question published her own response at xojane.com

The short version of her article: “I do what I do to make money for college. It pays well. I like doing it. If you don’t like me doing it, too bad. Fuck off.”

40 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:25:59pm

Part of the perverse pleasure some people derive from porn is the outrage connected with their own enjoyment of it and the “power” of shaming the participants.

41 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:26:41pm

re: #35 Lidane

Also, the musicians aren’t all rolling in the douche dough like the hipsters.

42 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:28:21pm

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Part of the perverse pleasure some people derive from porn is the outrage connected with their own enjoyment of it and the “power” of shaming the participants.

How dare you enjoy doing things I really like to watch, but can’t do myself!

43 darthstar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:28:29pm

re: #39 wheat-dogghazi

The girl in question published her own response at xojane.com

The short version of her article: “I do what I do to make money for college. It pays well. I like doing it. If you don’t like me doing it, too bad. Fuck off.”

The long version is a good read too.

44 darthstar  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:29:03pm

Okay…time for bed. See you all in six hours or so.

45 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:31:32pm

re: #42 wheat-dogghazi

How dare you enjoy doing things I really like to watch, but can’t do myself because I am such a pathetic douchebag wanker!

46 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:34:11pm

re: #43 darthstar

The long version is a good read too.

Yeah. She states her case well. Too bad her logic and common sense will be lost on all the bluenoses and god-botherers.

47 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:42:52pm

re: #46 wheat-dogghazi

Yeah. She states her case well. Too bad her logic and common sense will be lost on all the bluenoses and god-botherers.

Because her logic would cause them to lose their boners over watching her. They want to be bad, sinful boys so they can enjoy the soothing release of God’s forgiveness, and upon having been granted it, rage against all those who would sin again…

48 Lidane  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:43:05pm

re: #39 wheat-dogghazi

The girl in question published her own response at xojane.com

The short version of her article: “I do what I do to make money for college. It pays well. I like doing it. If you don’t like me doing it, too bad. Fuck off.”

I love that. And good luck to her.

I know it’s a cliche, but I really did know girls who stripped their way through school, and they meant it. One woman I knew paid for her psychology PhD by stripping at one of the top high end clubs in Houston. She would clear thousands a week in tips. That allowed her to pay all her tuition and expenses and graduate debt free. She was even able to save enough money that when she got to her final dissertation, she had the luxury of not working at all. She could just write.

The way I see it, if you watch porn, you’ve got no room to slut shame the people you’re jerking off to. It’s the height of hypocrisy. And if you like certain kinks, own it rather than thinking the porn actors who do those scenes are sick. If you enjoy it, what does that make you?

49 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:46:29pm

re: #48 Lidane

If you enjoy it, what does that make you?

I think they rationalize it in that they are succumbing (so to speak) to evil temptation - the kind that requires a paid subscription - whereas the actresses are the foul, sinful temptresses leading them astray

50 Lidane  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:51:53pm

re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I think they rationalize it in that they are succumbing (so to speak) to evil temptation - the kind that requires a paid subscription - whereas the actresses are the foul, sinful temptresses leading them astray

People subscribe to porn sites? /////

Seriously though — it’s no difference than any other sort of slut shaming. If she hadn’t worn that dress, or had that drink, or worn that makeup, or done that porn video, he would’ve been able to control his urges. It’s stupid and hypocritical.

51 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 6, 2014 11:57:08pm

re: #50 Lidane

People subscribe to porn sites? /////

Seriously though — it’s no difference than any other sort of slut shaming. If she hadn’t worn that dress, or had that drink, or worn that makeup, or done that porn video, he would’ve been able to control his urges. It’s stupid and hypocritical.

A personality trait that overwhelmingly seems to afflict “conservatives” more than anyone else; the sort of people who prattle on and on and wag their fingers in everybody’s faces about “personal responsibility”, then go on to blame others for their own lustful, “sinful” actions because it’s obviously someone else’s fault that they’re hypocrites.

52 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:02:44am

re: #50 Lidane

People subscribe to porn sites? /////

My girlfriend does. To keep viruses off her computer. And the quality is better.

53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:03:45am

re: #51 TedStriker

…it’s obviously someone else’s fault that they’re hypocrites.

It was Eve’s fault that Adam went astray, remember?

Case closed.

54 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:15:08am

Since the subject shifted to the Duke porn star, might I add this to the discussion: that the male was slut-shaming because he was paying and she was earning. Balance sheets, hand of the free market and all that.

Having said that, as a privileged white male, if I’d been able to and enjoyed doing so during my college career to do what she did, I would have.

55 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:17:44am

re: #48 Lidane

The way I see it, if you watch porn, you’ve got no room to slut shame the people you’re jerking off to.

How about this: If you’re human, you’ve got no room to slut shame anyone. Because everyone has closets.

56 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:18:11am

I also think that even the porn industry knows that part of its appeal comes from the titillation of the perceived wickedness and shamefulness of it all.

And I must admit, I have had some girlfriends whose approach to sex was so matter-of-fact and biological that it took a lot of the fun away for me.

57 Kragar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:18:46am

Personally, I enjoy porn. Why would I want to shame anyone for doing something I enjoy watching? Whole lot of self righteous assholes and bible thumpers out there who want people to feel guilty for not being as miserable as they are. The whole lot of them can fuck right off.

58 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:21:52am

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

At 40, I was told by a woman “you’re going to find that a lot of women *enjoy* sex.” Even then, this was an eye-opener for me. Granted, I’d been married in a fundamentalist relationship for 14 years prior, but it sort of adjusted my mindview. I changed. And I hate the counter-top inspecting of this woman that went on because she did something that she wanted/needed to do.

59 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:24:04am

re: #57 Kragar

It’s all about the stigma. If you can release the self-shaming, it’s the best thing, for you and humanity. (disclaimer: not shame about child pr0n or the like, but closet stuff, etc.)

60 Kragar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:25:37am

re: #59 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It’s all about the stigma. If you can release the self-shaming, it’s the best thing, for you and humanity. (disclaimer: not shame about child pr0n or the like, but closet stuff, etc.)

Well, yeah. I’m talking about acts between consenting adults, of course. That should have gone without saying.

61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:26:24am

re: #59 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It’s all about the stigma. If you can release the self-shaming, it’s the best thing, for you and humanity. (disclaimer: not shame about child pr0n or the like, but closet stuff, etc.)

There is a big distinction between consensual activities between adults and anything else.

My first girlfriend was raised very Catholic, and no matter if all the doors were closed and the blinds shut, there was still a nun in the room staring disapprovingly over her shoulder…

62 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:27:35am

re: #60 Kragar

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Sorry, I just felt I needed to put that in there. Don’t want to interrupt with a derail on that point.

63 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:31:05am

re: #62 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The thing that earned Rick Santorum his unpleasant linguistic association was the way he equated gay sex between adults with wife-beating, bestiality and child abuse.

In one sense, they do all fall in a general (albeit broad and subjective) category of being listed in the Bible as “abominations unto the Lord”, but in another sense, he totally misses the distinction between consensual and non-consensual.

64 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:35:30am

re: #54 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Since the subject shifted to the Duke porn star, might I add this to the discussion: that the male was slut-shaming because he was paying and she was earning. Balance sheets, hand of the free market and all that.

Having said that, as a privileged white male, if I’d been able to and enjoyed doing so during my college career to do what she did, I would have.

The other hand was otherwise occupied.

65 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:38:55am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is a big distinction between consensual activities between adults and anything else.

My first girlfriend was raised very Catholic, and no matter if all the doors were closed and the blinds shut, there was still a nun in the room staring disapprovingly over her shoulder…

Because she wasn’t doing it right?

{I’ll quit now.}

66 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:41:53am

re: #65 wheat-dogghazi

Because she wasn’t doing it right?

{I’ll quit now.}

Yes, she was not doing it in missionary position with her Catholic husband for purposes of procreation…

67 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:43:28am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I’m kind of really offended that you’re lumping me in with that asshole. No, I don’t think it’s inappropriate to qualify what you’re talking about. Consensual vs. non-consensual is sorta the point. And defining terms is important. The SCOTUS does that all the time.

Edit to add: I was focused on the specific topic of stigma and self-shaming. There are some things that should be stigmatized (child pr0n) and some things that should not (consensual sex between consenting adults). I wasn’t engaging in a slippery slope there. Sorry if that wasn’t worded properly.

68 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:44:50am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Ross Douthat, is that you? (c.f., Chunky Reese Witherspoon, Google it, too long to explain).

69 Kragar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 12:52:50am

Man, the stories I could tell. I once ended up with a really religious guy as a room mate in the Marines. Came back from an evening out and crashed and found him saying prayers over me to cleanse me of my sins.

That really didn’t go over so well.

70 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 1:19:34am

We’re still crawling out of the ooze.

71 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 1:55:10am

re: #67 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’m kind of really offended that you’re lumping me in with that asshole. No, I don’t think it’s inappropriate to qualify what you’re talking about. Consensual vs. non-consensual is sorta the point. And defining terms is important. The SCOTUS does that all the time.

Edit to add: I was focused on the specific topic of stigma and self-shaming. There are some things that should be stigmatized child and some things that should not (consensual sex between consenting adults). I wasn’t engaging in a slippery slope there. Sorry if that wasn’t worded properly.

Sorry if it came out sounding like I was associating you with Frothy Brown Rick Santorum.

72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 1:56:53am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Sorry if it came[Embedded image] out sounding like I was associating you with Frothy Brown Rick Santorum.

I did not think that was the case in any case

73 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:06:31am

Saturn: Blinged-out Planetary Sibling!

74 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:08:46am

re: #13 Kragar

Nominations for the peace prize are close to meaningless, the criteria is so low.

Wanna bet the RWNJs bleating this factoid about Obama’s NPP nomination/award will shockingly forget to do so for Putin’s nomination?

75 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:10:46am

re: #21 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’m sure Vlad the Impaler could find someone in the Russian government to nominate his ass.

76 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:15:53am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is a big distinction between consensual activities between adults and anything else.

My first girlfriend was raised very Catholic, and no matter if all the doors were closed and the blinds shut, there was still a nun in the room staring disapprovingly over her shoulder…

Hot.

/

77 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:16:25am

re: #33 darthstar

Kid jerks off to porn. Kid recognizes classmate. Kid outs classmate. Pornographer outs kid. America!

He even offers the kid 10K and the opportunity to “bang any star” he wants.

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“Mr. Bagley” probably has a suit for defamation. He’s a private consumer, with an expectation of privacy online and has been outed as a customer by the site owner. By paying to enter the site, a contract was executed, a contract which contained no duty to Mr. Bagley not to discuss what he saw. In fact, the owner of the site more than likely, to garner publicity for it, appreciated the fact that people did talk about it.

Bagley didn’t “out” the woman doing the porn—she did that herself by agreeing to appear in it and was paid to do it. That’s not how you maintain your “privacy”—by agreeing to appear in media you know will be disseminated in a public venue.

The real hypocrite and villain in all this? Kulich, whose contempt for, and exploitation and hatred of other human beings shines through the entire “letter” he wrote as a publicity stunt to make more money. What utter scum.

I have no sympathy for any of them. If porn is considered a sign of being “grown up” in this society, we are in deep trouble because porn is little more than public voyeurism.

BTW, these are not “kids”. They’re all adults.

78 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:26:44am

It Happened Last Night/My New Life Part Whatever:

1. Go into a minutes-long snit, even to the point of a soda-flounce (“maybe I’ll just drink water!”) when instead of Diet Coke the place serves Diet Pepsi.

2. Immediately switch to chortling/elitist-sneering when I mention in passing I happen to like Starbucks Veranda blend of coffee.

Seriously?

79 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:27:22am

re: #65 wheat-dogghazi

Because she wasn’t doing it right?

{I’ll quit now.}

Hot.

/

80 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:42:38am

So, how is it now?

81 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:45:20am

re: #39 wheat-dogghazi

The girl in question published her own response at xojane.com

The short version of her article: “I do what I do to make money for college. It pays well. I like doing it. If you don’t like me doing it, too bad. Fuck off.”

This is the libertarian version of “feminism”, a childish response at best. It reminds me of the toddler who doesn’t get the toy she wants and throws a tantrum in the store. This “kid” can live her life any way she wants to but she shouldn’t blame society for every little mistake she makes that impinges on her ability to make a living doing something else.

Women shouldn’t be ashamed of their sexuality at all, but when you commercialize yourself in this fashion, don’t be surprised when people are judgmental.

If we pay people so much to be objects of others’ voyeurism, then why don’t we pay the clerk who checks us out at the grocery store the same kind of money? The brain power used in both transactions is about the same.

82 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:49:02am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The thing that earned Rick Santorum his unpleasant linguistic association was the way he equated gay sex between adults with wife-beating, bestiality and child abuse.

In one sense, they do all fall in a general (albeit broad and subjective) category of being listed in the Bible as “abominations unto the Lord”, but in another sense, he totally misses the distinction between consensual and non-consensual.

That’s because in the Patriarchal Mind of the Church, women cannot consent. They can only be given in marriage from one man to another.

83 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:49:47am

re: #57 Kragar

Personally, I enjoy porn. Why would I want to shame anyone for doing something I enjoy watching? Whole lot of self righteous assholes and bible thumpers out there who want people to feel guilty for not being as miserable as they are. The whole lot of them can fuck right off.

QFT

84 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:51:21am

re: #80 FemNaziBitch

So, how is it now?

The blog is debating the “Duke Porn Star Affair”. I’m going to largely stay out of said debate because I don’t have anything original to contribute and because its too early for me to talk about such things.

85 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:55:35am

I don’t care for porn. I don’t watch it, but if other people want to watch it or make it, as long as they are adults, that’s their decision.

When my son moved out of the house I found his stash of porn. My reaction was, “Well I know for sure he is not gay.” NTTAWWT.

86 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:56:22am

I like carbohydrate porn. Pie, cake, bread.

87 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:57:08am
Of course, I do fully acknowledge that some women don’t have such a positive experience in the industry. We need to listen to these women. And to do that we need to remove the stigma attached to their profession and treat it as a legitimate career that needs regulation and oversight. We need to give a voice to the women that are exploited and abused in the industry. Shaming and hurling names at them, the usual treatment we give sex workers, is not the way to achieve this.

…
The most striking view I was indoctrinated with was that sex is something women “have,” but that they shouldn’t “give it away” too soon — as though there’s only so much sex in any one woman, and sex is something she does for a man that necessarily requires losing something of herself, and so she should be really careful who she “gives” it to.

The prevailing societal brainwashing dictates that sexuality and sex “reduce” women, whereas men are merely innocent actors on the receiving end. By extension, our virginity or abstinence has a bearing on who we are as people — as good people or bad people, as nice women or bad women.

Women’s ability to be moral actors is wholly dependent on their sexuality. It is, honestly, insane.

…
I ask people to deconstruct why they treat female sexuality with such disdain.

Why do we call women sluts and whores? Why do we use synonyms for prostitute as some of the worst insults in the English language? Why do we shame rape victims for the unspeakably heinous crime committed against them? Why is the first question out of many people’s mouths: “What was she wearing the night in question?” Why do we condemn a woman who has had multiple sexual partners outside of marriage?

Think about it. Be very honest with yourself. You may be surprised by the answers.

88 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:57:26am
89 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 4:58:05am

Carb Porn

90 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:00:45am

Carb porn

91 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:00:56am

re: #88 Pie-onist Overlord

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Oh christonacrutch, it’s GA, and the victim has Down Syndrome?

Judge should be removed from the bench, but he’ll stay there because he has the right connections.

And it’s GA.

92 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:01:14am

Pie of the Week: Pecan Pie!

93 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:01:51am

Should I serve the Pecan Pie with a scoop of vanilla ice cream or whipped cream?

94 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:02:19am

re: #93 Pie-onist Overlord

Should I serve the Pecan Pie with a scoop of vanilla ice cream or whipped cream?

is it French Vanilla?

95 Lidane  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:03:05am

re: #93 Pie-onist Overlord

Should I serve the Pecan Pie with a scoop of vanilla ice cream or whipped cream?

It’s a sin to serve it without ice cream. French or homemade vanilla if possible.

96 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:05:00am

Lawmakers give fast OK to voyeurism bill

and the GOP wonders why need government to micromanage so many aspects of our lives … .

97 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:07:04am

someone was thinking again!!!!!

98 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:09:27am

re: #95 Lidane

It’s a sin to serve it without ice cream. French or homemade vanilla if possible.

Just have regular vanilla, that will have to do. :)

99 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:15:58am

re: #88 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

From that article:

“At no time prior to her outcry … did [the victim] behave like a victim,” Appeals Court Judge Christopher McFadden wrote in the order. “Nor did [William Jeffrey] Dumas behave like someone who had recently perpetrated a series of violent crimes against her. … It requires more than that bald argument to satisfy this court that it should ignore the fact that, until the outcry, neither of them showed any fear, guilt or inclination to retreat to a place of safety.”

McFadden also wrote that the victim, who has Down syndrome, did not exhibit “visible distress” when she reported the rape.

Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard, who prosecuted the case, said he felt “disgust” at the judge’s actions.

“I had to go visit [the victim] and tell her that even though a jury had convicted her assailant of the crime, the judge was giving the guy a new trial,” Ballard told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “Her parents were, as you can image, outraged. … I just hope we can get some justice.”

Did Judge McFadden not take into account that being raped might render a woman emotionally numb initially instead resulting in ‘visible distress’? And did he not understand that predators such as William Jeffrey Dumas will often seem ‘nicer’ after committing one of their crimes, as camouflage and to keep the victim in their orbit?

Image: twilightsparkleheaddesk.gif

100 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:16:57am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

From that article:

Did Judge McFadden not take into account that being raped might render a woman emotionally numb initially instead resulting in ‘visible distress’? And did he not understand that predators such as William Jeffrey Dumas will often seem ‘nicer’ after committing one of their crimes, as camouflage and to keep the victim in their orbit?

Image: twilightsparkleheaddesk.gif

Also: The victim has Down Syndrome.

101 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:16:58am
Since 2011, the Republican governors of Virginia, Iowa, Kansas, and Ohio have appointed at least 12 doctors and consumer advocates with explicit ties to anti-choice organizations to health and medical boards. The total number of nominees with an anti-choice agenda is surely higher; it can be difficult to tell, until he or she is already on the board, whether a particular surgeon or pharmacist, for instance, opposes abortion rights.

also Paged

102 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:22:32am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

From that article:

Did Judge McFadden not take into account that being raped might render a woman emotionally numb initially instead resulting in ‘visible distress’? And did he not understand that predators such as William Jeffrey Dumas will often seem ‘nicer’ after committing one of their crimes, as camouflage and to keep the victim in their orbit?

Image: twilightsparkleheaddesk.gif

No all rape victims are supposed to look and behave as tho they grew-up in a convent and their lives have been utterly and irrevocably destroyed.

103 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:23:15am
Less than a year after Tiller’s death, the Board of Healing Arts, responding to one of Sullenger’s complaints, opened an investigation of Neuhaus. By then, in 2010, Neuhaus was pursuing a new career. After leaving Tiller’s clinic in 2006, she had returned to school to study public health and found a job as a research instructor at the University of Kansas. Now Sullenger was alleging that in 2003, Neuhaus had failed to adequately examine and document her talks with 11 underage girls who had sought third-trimester abortions at Tiller’s clinic. The records of her conversations with the girls were purposely sparse; Neuhaus says she tried to exclude all identifiable details lest the documents fall into the wrong hands. (Her fears were not unfounded: In 2006, Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly broadcast confidential details from Tiller’s archives on his show.) But she says the examinations were sound. “The youngest of the girls was ten,” she says. “It was a case of rape and incest. How could anyone argue there wasn’t going to be some kind of adverse psychological effect if she had that baby?”
104 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:25:33am

re: #102 FemNaziBitch

No all rape victims are supposed to look and behave as tho they grew-up in a convent and their lives have been utterly and irrevocably destroyed.

There was some pearl-clutching and fainting on couches when Amanda Berry was seen enjoying herself at a club, drinking adult beverages and dancing.

105 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:27:14am

Matt Barber is way too fixated on thinking about Teh Ghey Sexytimes.
They just hold hands and cuddle.

106 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:28:30am

One thing I learned a long time ago.

Boys (and men) gossip more than women do, esp about sex. They like to broadcast their “conquests”.

How do you think girls and women who are sexually active get a “bad reputation”? Females talk more about sex generally these days, but we tend to see our intimacies in a different light.

Men are obsessed by women who “put out”, who they put out for, and why those same women don’t put out for them. Porn operates as fantasy in that regard. And even if girls or women do agree to have sex with them, the female is condemned for doing so. Unless both parties understand that sex between consenting adults is a totally private matter. For a partner to discuss intimate moments with you with a third party should be anathema to a relationship, unless it’s within the context of couples therapy or medical advice.

Porn solves that dilemma, to some degree. And the women who agree to participate in it aren’t empowering themselves, it’s not liberating—in fact, it’s usually soul-crushing, much like prostitution, and it’s simply catering to the sexual needs of men, for the most part. Of course, people can justify anything they do—just look around. Whether it’s exploitation by others, or exploitation of your own sexuality for money, it’s still exploitation of a natural function.

107 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:28:32am

The 25 Best Companies For LGBT Employees

Think Hobby Lobby is on the list?

108 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:30:39am

re: #107 FemNaziBitch

The 25 Best Companies For LGBT Employees

Think Hobby Lobby is on the list?

Bain is #1 on the list.

109 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:31:21am

I didn’t think anyone actually worked for Bain, I thought it was just a bunch of job-destroying outsourcers.

110 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:33:28am

Spent about 15 soul-destroying minutes reading the CPAC program, and saw very little about BENGHAZI!!!!! A few things about IRS SCANDAL!!!!!! I guess that explains Issa’s “hearing” the other day.

And the final speech is being given by…..wait for it……

ex-half governor Palin.

You can’t make this stuff up.

111 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:33:35am
112 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:34:16am

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

One thing I learned a long time ago.

Boys (and men) gossip more than women do, esp about sex. They like to broadcast their “conquests”.

This is a purely social construct, and I don’t think it’s necessarily true even in the US.

You’re making a lot of broad statements about men and women, but it’s a lot more complex than that and it’s a lot more culturally bound than it is actually to do with gender.

113 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:34:23am

re: #105 Pie-onist Overlord

another closet-case I see.

114 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:34:40am

re: #105 Pie-onist Overlord

Matt Barber is way too fixated on thinking about Teh Ghey Sexytimes.
They just hold hands and cuddle.

Matt just figures there’s no foreplay, like at his home with the Mrs.

Also, “feculent”? I haz just larnt a new word.

“Hi, sweetie. You wanna get feculent tonight?”

115 A Mom Anon  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:35:42am

re: #87 FemNaziBitch

That first paragraph in your excerpt is key, IMO. I often wonder the story behind the sex worker/porn star. Are they there because they truly want to be, or is something else at play? Addiction, abuse, crappy life circumstances and more can put someone there(I include men in this too). I also think porn can distort sexuality and our concepts of it. Women are whores who love (whatever the concept of the depiction is), men are insatiable dolts who have no self control and want nothing but sex with who or whatever is handy. I don’t know if that will ever change, but I think it would be good for everyone if it did. Human sexuality can be complex, it’s not easy to sum it up because we are all so different.

116 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:36:12am
When ‘Religious Liberty’ Was Used To Justify Racism Instead Of Homophobia
Theodore Bilbo was one of Mississippi’s great demagogues. After two non-consecutive terms as governor, Bilbo won a U.S. Senate seat campaigning against “farmer murderers, corrupters of Southern womanhood, [skunks] who steal Gideon Bibles from hotel rooms” and a host of other, equally colorful foes. In a year where just 47 Mississippi voters cast a ballot for a communist candidate, Bilbo railed against a looming communist takeover of the state — and offered himself up as the solution to this red onslaught.

Do Farmer Murderers get to sit on the Group W Bench?

117 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:36:42am

re: #109 Pie-onist Overlord

I didn’t think anyone actually worked for Bain, I thought it was just a bunch of job-destroying outsourcers.

It doesn’t work that way. An organization which owns as much as Bain does requires its own staff in order to keep track of the day to day operations of the businesses it owns in whole or part, liaison people to work with the managers of those business that Bain only owns part of, a team to find good acquisition targets, and so on.

118 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:37:12am

re: #109 Pie-onist Overlord

I didn’t think anyone actually worked for Bain, I thought it was just a bunch of job-destroying outsourcers.

I think it’s a different Bain —Bain & Company from Australia

119 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:40:04am
120 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:41:28am

re: #112 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This is a purely social construct, and I don’t think it’s necessarily true even in the US.

You’re making a lot of broad statements about men and women, but it’s a lot more complex than that and it’s a lot more culturally bound than it is actually to do with gender.

I know from my own experience that it’s true. Ask any woman who is sexually experienced. As a very young divorced woman, I was seen as “fair game” by every man I came in contact with.

We are all the sum of our experiences, not just what we read in books or see in the media.

121 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:44:27am

I wonder if all this is for publicity? “Belle Knox” certainly seeks the limelight.

twitter.com

122 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:44:43am

re: #115 A Mom Anon

That first paragraph in your excerpt is key, IMO. I often wonder the story behind the sex worker/porn star. Are they there because they truly want to be, or is something else at play? Addiction, abuse, crappy life circumstances and more can put someone there(I include men in this too). I also think porn can distort sexuality and our concepts of it. Women are whores who love (whatever the concept of the depiction is), men are insatiable dolts who have no self control and want nothing but sex with who or whatever is handy. I don’t know if that will ever change, but I think it would be good for everyone if it did. Human sexuality can be complex, it’s not easy to sum it up because we are all so different.

There’s as many stories as porn stars. Some start as swimsuit models, then nude models, then are persuaded/recruited into porn work. Some choose their line of work. Maybe they’re exhibitionists, or figure it’s just acting, not the real thing. Others are forced into it, because of boyfriends or pimps or drugs. Some turn it into a lucrative business, like Jenna Jameson. Others quit, or worse, commit suicide or OD.

In the case of the Duke student, she clearly sees it as just another kind of job that she can do well and get paid well. Maybe she plans to earn her way through college, then quit and get a “real” job.

But she can forget about becoming a teacher. Every teacher that’s been outed as a porn actress, nude model or seminude model has lost her job. Usually, it’s the students that out her.

Strangely, I have not heard of any male teachers losing their jobs for similar work.

123 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:45:05am


I love this

124 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:46:47am

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

I know from my own experience that it’s true.

I’m not sure what you mean. That what’s true?

Ask any woman who is sexually experienced. As a very young divorced woman, I was seen as “fair game” by every man I came in contact with.

Again, broad statements about all men, all women are not useful. For example, in this statement you completely obliterate all gay men, you’re being completely hetero-normative.

We are all the sum of our experiences, not just what we read in books or see in the media.

Not sure what relevance this has to do with anything.

125 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:51:45am
126 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:52:19am

re: #125 Pie-onist Overlord

What the hell is a ‘militant capitalist’?

127 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:53:22am

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

I know from my own experience that it’s true. Ask any woman who is sexually experienced. As a very young divorced woman, I was seen as “fair game” by every man I came in contact with.

We are all the sum of our experiences, not just what we read in books or see in the media.

I’m sorry to ask, what decade was this?

128 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:54:02am

re: #112 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This is a purely social construct, and I don’t think it’s necessarily true even in the US.

You’re making a lot of broad statements about men and women, but it’s a lot more complex than that and it’s a lot more culturally bound than it is actually to do with gender.

Another thing, and I’ll probably get into trouble saying this, also. But women tend to be more protective of their sexuality because of our biology. Our sexuality is, regardless of the social constructs (as you like to say) around it, geared toward reproduction as its primary function. And mothers are protective, not just of their offspring, but of their own sexuality and the need to determine for themselves the paternity of their offspring. Birth control has changed that almost totally for women, of course, but it hasn’t totally changed our mindset about our sexuality and being protective of it. We allow our brains to determine quite a bit about our sexuality these days, and it’s not all of our own doing as women but part of the larger social milieu.

We don’t like to think of ourselves as animals, but we are, our biological functions are. But we also are sentient and much more complicated than simply animals that mate. And that’s where we get into a lot of trouble.

129 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:54:20am

re: #126 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What the hell is a ‘militant capitalist’?

someone who smokes?

130 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:54:38am
131 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:55:07am

re: #128 Justanotherhuman

Another thing, and I’ll probably get into trouble saying this, also. But women tend to be more protective of their sexuality because of our biology. Our sexuality is, regardless of the social constructs (as you like to say) around it, geared toward reproduction as its primary function. And mothers are protective, not just of their offspring, but of their own sexuality and the need to determine for themselves the paternity of their offspring. Birth control has changed that almost totally for women, of course, but it hasn’t totally changed our mindset about our sexuality and being protective of it. We allow our brains to determine quite a bit about our sexuality these days, and it’s not all of our own doing as women but part of the larger social milieu.

We don’t like to think of ourselves as animals, but we are, our biological functions are. But we also are sentient and much more complicated than simply animals that mate. And that’s where we get into a lot of trouble.

Yeah, this doesn’t apply to me.

132 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:57:01am

re: #131 FemNaziBitch

I don’t even know what “protect my sexuality” means.

133 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:57:18am

re: #128 Justanotherhuman

Another thing, and I’ll probably get into trouble saying this, also. But women tend to be more protective of their sexuality because of our biology.

Yeah, that’s completely unscientific. I’d also note that such ‘biotruths’ generally wind up oppressing and denigrating women, not helping them.

Our sexuality is, regardless of the social constructs (as you like to say) around it, geared toward reproduction as its primary function.

So is male sexuality, biologically. I have no idea why you think male sexuality would not be geared towards reproduction as its primary function, biologically.

You keep making very broad-brushed assertions, and tying in biology in a completely unscientific way.

If you’d just limit what you were saying to “In US society, our culture does X or Y” then there’d be no problem, but for some reason you’re stuck on these gender-based, biologically-based assertions. Why?

134 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:57:30am

re: #124 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I’m not sure what you mean. That what’s true?

Again, broad statements about all men, all women are not useful. For example, in this statement you completely obliterate all gay men, you’re being completely hetero-normative.

Not sure what relevance this has to do with anything.

How the hell did I “obliterate all gay men”? I was talking about my own experiences.

If you have something else to say, say it. Did I “obliterate” all lesbians, too, being all “hetero-normative” as you accused me of being?

135 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:58:34am
136 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:59:13am

re: #105 Pie-onist Overlord

Matt Barber is way too fixated on thinking about Teh Ghey Sexytimes.
They just hold hands and cuddle.

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Also these outdated concepts of marriage: it is no longer about “consummation”, it is about civic, inheritance and property rights.

137 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:59:32am

Mornin’ everyoone…are we still talking about porn? Hm…Reagan, Christians fantasizing about gay sex…close enough. And now for some economic news.

138 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 5:59:39am

re: #134 Justanotherhuman

How the hell did I “obliterate all gay men”? I was talking about my own experiences.

You said you were seen as ‘fair game’ by every man you came into contact with: This statement says that every man is a heterosexual, since obviously gay men wouldn’t see you as fair game. It’s like when someone says “All guys like to see a little cleavage”; it’s not true. Gay guys don’t give a shit about seeing cleavage. Statements like that are hetero-normative because they ignore the existence of gay people.

If you have something else to say, say it. Did I “obliterate” all lesbians, too, being all “hetero-normative” as you accused me of being?

Yes, you are also leaving out lesbians when you talk about male and female sexuality.

I don’t know what you mean by ‘if you have something to say, say it’. I’m saying it. I’m being completely straightforward in what I’m saying to you.

139 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:00:52am

re: #132 FemNaziBitch

I don’t even know what “protect my sexuality” means.

Ask any rape victim.

140 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:01:17am

re: #125 Pie-onist Overlord

The radio only plays one song by Lee Greenwood.

141 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:01:51am

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

…For a partner to discuss intimate moments with you with a third party should be anathema to a relationship, unless it’s within the context of couples therapy or medical advice.

Porn solves that dilemma, to some degree…

It solves the dilemma of having to establish a relationship. If you choose to have sex outside a stable relationship, then you have to recognize what you are getting into. And do not complain if things go wrong.

142 GunstarGreen  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:02:38am

re: #33 darthstar

Kid jerks off to porn. Kid recognizes classmate. Kid outs classmate. Pornographer outs kid. America!

He even offers the kid 10K and the opportunity to “bang any star” he wants.

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I’m sorry, but how exactly does one ‘out’ a person that was willfully taking part in a VERY public display?

143 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:04:38am

re: #142 GunstarGreen

I’m sorry, but how exactly does one ‘out’ a person that was willfully taking part in a VERY public display?

It seems pretty obvious, but you make a big deal about it and tell people who wouldn’t otherwise necessarily know.

144 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:05:56am

re: #142 GunstarGreen

I’m sorry, but how exactly does one ‘out’ a person that was willfully taking part in a VERY public display?

By pointing her out to all the frat boys who haven’t recognized her as a porn actress. And while having sex in front of the camera is a public display, the film is only viewable by subscription, so it’s not like she’s on the Big Bang Theory (though that would be a good name for a porn film)

145 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:06:47am

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It solves the dilemma of having to establish a relationship. If you choose to have sex outside a stable relationship, then you have to recognize what you are getting into. And do not complain if things go wrong.

Many women do think they are in a stable relationship —and things still go wrong.

146 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:10:51am

re: #133 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Yeah, that’s completely unscientific. I’d also note that such ‘biotruths’ generally wind up oppressing and denigrating women, not helping them.

So is male sexuality, biologically. I have no idea why you think male sexuality would not be geared towards reproduction as its primary function, biologically.

You keep making very broad-brushed assertions, and tying in biology in a completely unscientific way.

If you’d just limit what you were saying to “In US society, our culture does X or Y” then there’d be no problem, but for some reason you’re stuck on these gender-based, biologically-based assertions. Why?

Sometimes does. And as FNB pointed out, era might have an effect.

In my experience in the High School Sports Team Locker Rooms of the mid- to late 80s, male “sexual gossip” consisted mostly of innuendo and short unverifiable assertions: “Yeah, man, I went to town on Girl X!” or “Girl Y likes to do it!” with absolutely no further detail. Or, when it was found out someone was dating someone “Hey, you get any poon yet?”

It was a red-letter day when Jock X had even a 3-sentence paragraph of anecdata about Girl Z, limited to mostly (and almost never actually involving Jock X) “I heard she went down to the creek and fucked Random Guy From Next Town Over under the railroad trestle.”

That happened… twice, in three years?

All other times were Girl X or Girl Y statements, and more or less ignored* by the majority of Sports Team Players. The only ones interested in the stories were the ones who were the Lunkheaded Gossips… and yet they never seemed to capitalize on this Vast Sexual Knowledge.

Strange, that.

* About the only effect here was to for Lunkheaded Gossips to reinforce low-status opinion (popularity or socio-economic class) on low-status females, or to baldly — and unverifiably — insult higher status females amongst other Lunkheaded Gossips.

147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:12:14am

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

Many women do think they are in a stable relationship —and things still go wrong.

Yes, many women (and men) are married and things go wrong, at lest there they have a bit more leverage towards legal recourse.

148 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:12:51am

re: #138 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The phrase was, “every man I came into contact with”, not every man out there, and it was in the context of being a young divorced woman, someone who “needed it”, as I was told more than once. I was seen as a “used product”, not a “virgin”, not a person to be respected. I suspect many of those social attitudes are still around. There is a reason I never married again or even had a long-term relationship where I had to live with someone, the reason I became a feminist, and it mostly had to do with those kinds of attitudes and the fact that I refuse to be controlled by them.

149 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:14:13am

re: #138 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You said you were seen as ‘fair game’ by every man you came into contact with: This statement says that every man is a heterosexual, since obviously gay men wouldn’t see you as fair game. It’s like when someone says “All guys like to see a little cleavage”; it’s not true. Gay guys don’t give a shit about seeing cleavage. Statements like that are hetero-normative because they ignore the existence of gay people.

Facts not in evidence; I have counter-anecdata.

Many of my male gay friends love boobies and cleavage. They’ve said they appreciate the sexiness of them, but seem to prefer them simply as “hug cushions” or “head pillows” (direct quotes).

150 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:14:42am

Another bullshit wingnut anecdote, full of hatred for Teh Poors:

151 GunstarGreen  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:14:56am

re: #143 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

re: #144 darthstar

To (mis-)appropriate a phrase from the IT world, security through obscurity is not actually security at all.

Do not misunderstand me. Harming someone, belittling them, whatever on account of the perfectly legal things they do is wrong. I’m not defending any awful behavior towards this person that followed from the revelation of their involvement in pornography. A job is a job, and nobody deserves to be made fun of for the job they do whatever that may be.

That being said, walking into a studio and accepting money to perform in front of a camera, with the express purpose of publishing the resulting video on a publicly-accessible website to be available to anyone willing to pony up the cash is not a thing you have any reasonable expectation of privacy about. There is nothing to ‘out’. The guy’s a scumbag and deserved what he got, but I take issue with it being presented as ‘outing’ someone about a public act that they performed, with the express purpose of that act being broadcast to the world.

152 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:16:06am

I have never seen a server at a restaurant wearing any tags on their clothing that are not required by management. Of course I don’t eat out much, but it makes sense that a server would not want to wear a tag that might be controversial.

153 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:16:38am

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yes, many women (and men) are married and things go wrong, at lest there they have a bit more leverage towards legal recourse.

Breaking news: People can be assholes and/or dipshits. Film at 11.

154 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:17:10am

re: #149 chadu

Facts not in evidence; I have counter-anecdata.

Many of my male gay friends love boobies and cleavage. They’ve said they appreciate the sexiness of them, but seem to prefer them simply as “hug cushions” or “head pillows” (direct quotes).

and, to expand on it, my girlfriend is entirley hetero but enjoys watching lesbian porn, as she finds women’s bodies sexy and attractive.

155 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:17:43am
156 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:17:58am

re: #137 darthstar

Mornin’ everyoone…are we still talking about porn? Hm…Reagan, Christians fantasizing about gay sex…close enough. And now for some economic news.

[Embedded content]

Good morning to you too. Yeah, it does seem that there’s quite a lot of fascination among the socons and religious right when it comes to gays and lesbians, and that Barber tweet is indicative that he’s clueless when it comes to what goes on in the bedroom among consenting adults.

It isn’t just good Christian sex with intent to procreate on the wedding night.

It’s also wild pagan sex. Lots of it.

157 GunstarGreen  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:18:06am

re: #150 Pie-onist Overlord

Another bullshit wingnut anecdote, full of hatred for Teh Poors:

[Embedded content]

Except that the server already pays taxes on their income and…

Sigh. The American Right: Constantly Proud of Being Complete Assholes.

158 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:18:25am

re: #155 darthstar

[Embedded content]

It is very good at clearig sinuses.

159 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:19:24am

re: #148 Justanotherhuman

The phrase was, “every man I came into contact with”, not every man out there, and it was in the context of being a young divorced woman, someone who “needed it”, as I was told more than once. I was seen as a “used product”, not a “virgin”, not a person to be respected. I suspect many of those social attitudes are still around. There is a reason I never married again or even had a long-term relationship where I had to live with someone, the reason I became a feminist, and it mostly had to do with those kinds of attitudes and the fact that I refuse to be controlled by them.

I respect your life experience, and thank you for sharing it, but I submit that while such may speak to certain cultural inculcated trends and habits, it may not be generally applicable across all times and locations in space-time, even around the late 20th/early 21st Century.

160 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:19:31am
161 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:19:38am

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

I’m sorry to ask, what decade was this?

Does it matter what “decade” it was? It was happening to many women and it was one of the reasons for the “Second Wave” of feminism. Yeah, we doddering old fools never paved the way for our own daughters and granddaughters to have far more freedom that we did.

I’m sorry you had to ask the question.

162 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:20:10am

re: #142 GunstarGreen

I’m sorry, but how exactly does one ‘out’ a person that was willfully taking part in a VERY public display?

She was performing under a stage name, not her real name, and AFAIK did not advertise the fact she was a porn actress at Duke. The boy (I will call him a boy, because I’m old enough to be his father) who outed her shared the news with his frat brothers, and the information quickly went viral. He could have been more respectful of her privacy, or at least her dignity, instead of saying, “WOO! Fellas, this girl is a student here and her name is …” As for her, she should have never expected to remain incognito forever. It’s not like college kids ever watch porn, or anything.

Also, it’s only public in the sense that someone paying for the porn could find her. She was not shagging somebody outside in the quad, or at Mardi Gras, or on broadcast TV.

Movie stars are entitled to privacy. Why not porn stars too?

163 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:23:01am

“Outing” is the wrong term to describe what he did, unless applied in a very broad sense. But “asshole” is a very accurate term to describe the fellow

164 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:23:06am

Getting away from the porn subject for a minute this is pretty cool…

Creative resistance: besieged Marines give a concert for “the little green men” from Russia

It’s Day 105 of the Revolution in Ukraine.

The Crimean occupation by “unidentified soldiers under Russian command” (dubbed the “little green men” by Ukrainian military) continues…

But today’s lesson comes from the talented and brave Marines under siege on their base in Kerch, Crimea, military unit А 0669, who are showing the world: to never stop being creative even under the worst circumstances, because creativity is resistance.

Even as hostages under siege (their base is surrounded by “little green men” with rather large weapons) Ukrainian Marines serenade their Russian brothers with an impromptu outdoor concert. Even our marines are talented musicians and generous hosts!

165 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:23:35am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

Does it matter what “decade” it was? It was happening to many women and it was one of the reasons for the “Second Wave” of feminism. Yeah, we doddering old fools never paved the way for our own daughters and granddaughters to have far more freedom that we did.

I’m sorry you had to ask the question.

Just saying that divorce isn’t an issue these days. Young people don’t see it as much of anything, really.

so that particular sentence seemed strange to me. Was just wondering.

166 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:23:56am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and, to expand on it, my girlfriend is entirley hetero but enjoys watching lesbian porn, as she finds women’s bodies sexy and attractive.

I blame Greco-Roman statuary.

(I seriously have a theory about this, and its effect on “ambiguously bi-the-way” female and stereotypical gay male porn/concepts of beauty/sexiness, and why Rubenesque women and bearish males straight or gay are not typical.)

167 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:24:54am

re: #166 chadu

I blame Greco-Roman statuary.

(I seriously have a theory about this, and its effect on “ambiguously bi-the-way” female and stereotypical gay male porn/concepts of beauty/sexiness, and why Rubenesque women and bearish males straight or gay are not typical.)

As an artist, I can tell you that the human body can be a very beautiful “thing”. But, I don’t get aroused over marble body parts.

168 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:26:08am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

Does it matter what “decade” it was? It was happening to many women and it was one of the reasons for the “Second Wave” of feminism. Yeah, we doddering old fools never paved the way for our own daughters and granddaughters to have far more freedom that we did.

I’m sorry you had to ask the question.

I submit that FNB might be suggesting that because of your experiences and responses, the environment may have changed for people having such experiences further along the Arrow of Time.

169 GunstarGreen  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:27:33am

re: #162 wheat-dogghazi

Movie stars are entitled to privacy. Why not porn stars too?

For the things they do in their own homes, of course they do. The things they do on camera? Most certainly not. And the racks upon racks upon racks of magazines in every supermarket and convenience store across the country challenge the idea that movie stars get much of any privacy.

As I said, treating her poorly for her performance is wrong. But if you perform an act on camera, knowing that the film is going to be made publicly available — and yes, behind a paywall is still publicly available, because anybody that wants it has easy access to it — you cannot be surprised when people find it or find out about it. Stage names are all well and good, but there is very rarely any such thing as a ‘stage face’, and as dumb as people can be, facial recognition is one thing we do very well.

Which is why many movie stars that are trying to be inconspicuous go about wearing large sunglasses. To disrupt the facial recognition.

170 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:28:24am

re: #168 chadu

I submit that FNB might be suggesting that because of your experiences and responses, the environment may have changed for people having such experiences further along the Arrow of Time.

You are so much better with words than I.

171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:28:43am

re: #166 chadu

I blame Greco-Roman statuary.

(I seriously have a theory about this, and its effect on “ambiguously bi-the-way” female and stereotypical gay male porn/concepts of beauty/sexiness, and why Rubenesque women and bearish males straight or gay are not typical.)

It has a lot to do with the fact that human sexuality is too complex to be shoehorned into black-and-white categories or defined by stereotypes.

But that takes away all the fun from narrow-minded idiots and bigots who want to prove that their views are the only ones that count.

172 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:29:15am

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

Getting away from the porn subject for a minute this is pretty cool…

Creative resistance: besieged Marines give a concert for “the little green men” from Russia

I welcome the change in subjects.

The Ukrainian military must study up on Gandhi and MLK Jr during basic training. It takes a lot of guts to march unarmed onto an enemy-held airstrip to face your opponents down. Even more control is required to remain cool and calm while little green men are outside the perimeter apparently ready at any minute to storm the gates.

173 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:30:01am

re: #151 GunstarGreen

Not everyone who sees me knows I’m an IT manager. Granted, I don’t do it on film, but it’s not obvious. The woman next to me on the train may be a programmer, a secretary, a nurse, a doctor, a lawyer, or a porn actress (or a thousand other things). And while I understand your point, pornography really is a fairly anonymous industry.

How many sex workers to you know? How many professional sex workers would you recognize on the street? Would it change your opinion of a person you saw regularly because you had similar commute schedules if you knew they were having sex in front of a camera while you were on conference calls?

Our experiences are all individual. Unless someone is a public figure and generally recognized then any divulgence of what they do in their personal life is a form of outing…and even those people (the Obamas for example) deserve to have some level of privacy.

174 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:31:00am

re: #167 FemNaziBitch

As an artist, I can tell you that the human body can be a very beautiful “thing”. But, I don’t get aroused over marble body parts.

It’s more about:
1. Greco-Roman statues are hairless and thin/fit.
2. Statues are three-dimensional rather than two.
3. Statues are typically easier to see for longer periods of time and in bigger groups of peers than paintings or photos during Grade School Field Trips to Local Museum.

…which all normalize that particular set of cultural sexual attitudes.

Which is funny, being of partially Mediterranean descent, we are a… fuzzy/hirstute set of peoples, male and female.

I have a mother and sister, and I know more about bleaching, waxing, and sugaring than I would have expected to.

175 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:31:31am

re: #167 FemNaziBitch

As an artist, I can tell you that the human body can be a very beautiful “thing”. But, I don’t get aroused over marble body parts.

Also:

Hot.

/

176 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:33:25am

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

Getting away from the porn subject for a minute this is pretty cool…

Creative resistance: besieged Marines give a concert for “the little green men” from Russia

That’s awesome, and will probably piss off Putin, because the Ukranians are acting with class and dignity. And it’s bad optics to have a corralled military serenading its aggressors.

177 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:33:52am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

You are so much better with words than I.

I’ve become more sensitive about my white male mostly-cis “raised upper middle class” “overly educated” privilege over the past couple months, so now I try to talk like a Vulcan anthropologist about these sorts of issues.

178 GunstarGreen  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:33:55am

re: #173 darthstar

I assert that the knowledge of a person’s involvement in pornography would not change my behavior towards them one iota. Nor should it change anyone else’s behavior towards them, for that matter, but our society isn’t mature enough to be there yet. We have a very large problem in general with demeaning people that perform services which we demand be performed — see also: anyone in any service industry.

179 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:34:39am

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It has a lot to do with the fact that human sexuality is too complex to be shoehorned into black-and-white categories or defined by stereotypes.

But that takes away all the fun from narrow-minded idiots and bigots who want to prove that their views are the only ones that count.

Yeah, like mine!

///

180 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:35:31am

re: #177 chadu

I’ve become more sensitive about my white male mostly-cis “raised upper middle class” “overly educated” privilege over the past couple months, so now I try to talk like a Vulcan anthropologist about these sorts of issues.

That is so hard for me to do on only one cuppa.

181 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:35:37am

re: #173 darthstar

How many sex workers to you know?

More than three, two retired from the business.

182 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:36:13am

re: #121 Justanotherhuman

I wonder if all this is for publicity? “Belle Knox” certainly seeks the limelight.

twitter.com

I doubt it. But if given that she’s already been “outed”, using the resulting publicity to gain notice is logical. This is the kind of uproar that can be parlayed into quite a bit of money if she plays her cards right. This could be her ticket to feature roles in some porn videos and the cash that comes with same.

She may be getting be getting her 15 minutes of national fame, but she’s got a much better chance to get publicity and make money off of it than most people.

183 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:36:31am

re: #180 FemNaziBitch

That is so hard for me to do on only one cuppa.

About to go for #3 meself.

184 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:36:37am

re: #178 GunstarGreen

I assert that the knowledge of a person’s involvement in pornography would not change my behavior towards them one iota. Nor should it change anyone else’s behavior towards them, for that matter, but our society isn’t mature enough to be there yet. We have a very large problem in general with demeaning people that perform services which we demand be performed — see also: anyone in any service industry.

Exactly. The pack mentality of frat guys, especially, probably isn’t so understanding.

185 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:37:56am

re: #148 Justanotherhuman

The phrase was, “every man I came into contact with”, not every man out there, and it was in the context of being a young divorced woman, someone who “needed it”, as I was told more than once. I was seen as a “used product”, not a “virgin”, not a person to be respected.

And I’m saying that, unless statistics were wildly improbable, that there were gay guys you came into contact with, as well as heterosexual guys who just didn’t feel that way.

I suspect many of those social attitudes are still around. There is a reason I never married again or even had a long-term relationship where I had to live with someone, the reason I became a feminist, and it mostly had to do with those kinds of attitudes and the fact that I refuse to be controlled by them.

Those attitudes, and other equally problematic ones are still around, yes. And everyone should be a feminist: female equality should just be a no-brainer, and it’s sad that it isn’t.

If guys could actually walk around as women for a week, I think their attitudes would change a lot.

186 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:38:35am

re: #176 darthstar

That’s awesome, and will probably piss off Putin, because the Ukranians are acting with class and dignity. And it’s bad optics to have a corralled military serenading its aggressors.

That’s right. Check out the video. It’s only 25 seconds but it’s pretty cool.

Youtube Video

187 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:44:37am

re: #185 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

And I’m saying that, unless statistics were wildly improbable, that there were gay guys you came into contact with, as well as heterosexual guys who just didn’t feel that way.

Obdi, point made, but I think you’re being overly prescriptive on the use of the word “contact” which is probably what is ticking JAH off because it’s a typical rhetorical tool for minimization of her experience.

If guys could actually walk around as women for a week, I think their attitudes would change a lot.

QFT.

Also, vice-versa.

See: Self-Made Man, Norah Vincent.
en.wikipedia.org

188 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:45:57am

TIME FOR NUMBAH TREE CAWFY.

BBinnaS

189 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:46:36am
190 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:48:03am

re: #187 chadu

Obdi, point made, but I think you’re being overly prescriptive on the use of the word “contact” which is probably what is ticking JAH off because it’s a typical rhetorical tool for minimization of her experience.

QFT.

Also, vice-versa.

See: Self-Made Man, Norah Vincent.
en.wikipedia.org

Truly as women or men knowing they were just acting/dressing/looking like women.

I really have hard time thinking that man men would be able to learn much from that —other than that they don’t want to be known as drag queens.

but then again, it might be fun to watch the Whackos try to stop such an experiment. I’d bet they’d be afraid too many men might find they like it.

191 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:50:57am

bbl

192 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:51:23am
193 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:53:55am

O/T

GOOD NEWS, EVERYBODY!

My book got the requisite 5 reviews on Amazon, so now the publisher can start looking into the eBook promo tools!

Thanks for all your help, and please feel free to keep ‘em comin’.

194 bubba zanetti  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:55:32am

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

I think it’s a different Bain —Bain & Company from Australia

Bain and Company is the management consulting company. Bain Capital (which we associate with Mitt Romney, who worked for Bain & Co) was a spinoff.

195 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 6:59:57am

re: #190 FemNaziBitch

Truly as women or men knowing they were just acting/dressing/looking like women.

Point granted.

I really have hard time thinking that man men would be able to learn much from that —other than that they don’t want to be known as drag queens.

Given what my transgender (M2F) friends have told me about (crap, blanking on the correct term) living as a woman — most of them as gay women, by the bye — I think it’s probably about twice as challenging for people born-and-raised as males to grok the social codes/expectations/experiences for females.

And I suspect that the other way, F2M, the effects of biochemistry on cognition are about twice as challenging as would be expected.

That’s what I’ve read about F2M trans and various orientation-flavors of men on testosterone therapy.

196 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:02:41am

re: #193 chadu

My book got the requisite 5 reviews on Amazon, so now the publisher can start looking into the eBook promo tools!

Self-reply: Seeing all the ads, and given that my book is a collection of fairy tales, I should probably start watching Once Upon A Time on the TeeVee, eh?

(V-8 moment, but I’ve been out of the habit of watching uncurated-by-TiVo television for almost a decade.)

197 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:04:47am

Ukrainian military reservist questions armed Russian soldiers
Liveleak Video

198 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:06:07am

This wingnut gun-fucker meme is so fucked up.
If Rosa Parks had a gun, she would be dead before she even pulled the trigger because all the white men on the bus would also have GUNZ.

199 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:07:11am
200 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:07:21am
201 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:10:08am
202 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:13:07am
203 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:15:34am
204 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:21:17am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

This wingnut gun-fucker meme is so fucked up.
If Rosa Parks had a gun, she would be dead before she even pulled the trigger because all the white men on the bus would also have GUNZ.

[Embedded content]

Is that a scope on that thing? You don’t use that for defense you wingnut dolt. But yeah if Rosa Parks were armed, she would have been killed on the spot. And honestly pulling out a gun on someone because they deny you a bus seat is fucked up.

205 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:24:00am

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

This is proof that International Jewry is behind Euromaidan.

/
//In before this is on RT

206 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:24:20am

re: #200 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Brilliant, make it more expensive though I don’t think Rand has his father’s appeal with the youth since Rand is more obvious about his social conservatism/reactionarism than Dad is.

207 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:24:35am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Is that a scope on that thing? You don’t use that for defense you wingnut dolt. But yeah if Rosa Parks were armed, she would have been killed on the spot. And honestly pulling out a gun on someone because they deny you a bus seat is fucked up.

HURR HURR U LIBTARD U DONT UNDERSTANDS ARE GUN MEME!!!! ALL WE IS SAYIN IS THAT TEH GUNZ IS TEH SAME CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AS TEH NEGROS SITTIN AT TEH FRONT OF TEH BUS. WE DONT SAY ROSA PARKS SHOULDA HAD A GUN. BUT SHE TOTALLY SHOULDA HAD A GUN.

208 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:24:47am

Paul Ryan and the story of the brown paper bag

….a simple inquiry would have determined that the person telling the story actually is an advocate for the federal programs that Ryan now claims leaves people with “a full stomach and an empty soul.” So he also earns Four Pinocchios.

209 b.d.  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:25:07am

re: #205 Internet Tough Guy

This is proof that International Jewry is behind Euromaidan.

/
//In before this is on RT

Jewry neo-nazisim is the worst kind of neo-nazism!

//

210 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:25:21am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

But… but …. it looks badass. /

And who exactly needs a long barreled gun like that for home defense? Not much use in a cramped quarters room. If I’m going to have a gun for that situation, I’d rather have a handgun.

Still, trying to find logic and reasoning in twitter memes involving guns is like trying to find water in a desert. It’s few and far between, and what little water you find is probably contaminated/non-potable.

211 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:26:22am

Christie ‘Strains’ the Facts

212 b.d.  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:26:46am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

This wingnut gun-fucker meme is so fucked up.
If Rosa Parks had a gun, she would be dead before she even pulled the trigger because all the white men on the bus would also have GUNZ.

[Embedded content]

The want Rosa Parks with a gun but they are still in full freak out mode over two black panthers standing around with sticks?

213 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:28:44am

re: #210 lawhawk

But… but …. it looks badass. /

And who exactly needs a long barreled gun like that for home defense? Not much use in a cramped quarters room. If I’m going to have a gun for that situation, I’d rather have a handgun.

Still, trying to find logic and reasoning in twitter memes involving guns is like trying to find water in a desert. It’s few and far between, and what little water you find is probably contaminated/non-potable.

Yeah if I owned a gun for protection, I’d want a handgun too. I think despite their claims that they understand guns, I think many conservatives do not in fact understand guns. That gun pictured isn’t for defense. It’s for long range targets.

215 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:29:21am

re: #212 b.d.

The want Rosa Parks with a gun but they are still in full freak out mode over two black panthers standing around with sticks?

These people would have defended George Wallace as standing up for states rights if he had been around now. Make no mistake.

216 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:31:00am

re: #207 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR U LIBTARD U DONT UNDERSTANDS ARE GUN MEME!!!! ALL WE IS SAYIN IS THAT TEH GUNZ IS TEH SAME CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AS TEH NEGROS SITTIN AT TEH FRONT OF TEH BUS. WE DONT SAY ROSA PARKS SHOULDA HAD A GUN. BUT SHE TOTALLY SHOULDA HAD A GUN.

Gun fuckers need a new hobby.

217 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:40:52am

An 18 yr old (? freshman?) who doesn’t have much sense—first of all, by appearing on Piers Morgan’s show. Talk about making generalizations—and she glories in the attention she’s getting now. She really is immature, as well as an exhibitionist who lies to people who raised and love her.

I regret I got caught. I’m too good to get a job as a mere waitstaff or clerk—so I’ll risk everything for fucking on camera. Her rationale is just incredible. Got her name partly from Amanda Knox who she thinks is awesome.

This is not slut-shaming in the usual sense; this is risking everything to fuck on camera and get paid for it, and to get away with it—to the point that she wants to keep it totally a secret from her parents, who are probably paying the bills anyway. The followup w/the female psychologist is such bullshit, a woman who I would like to tell that porn doesn’t define female sexuality the way she thinks it does.

cnn.com

218 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:43:58am

re: #217 Justanotherhuman

Well, at least we didn’t have to listen to Dr Phil …

219 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:44:15am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

This wingnut gun-fucker meme is so fucked up.
If Rosa Parks had a gun, she would be dead before she even pulled the trigger because all the white men on the bus would also have GUNZ.

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But that’s not the argument. The argument is that both of the women pictured are exercising their rights and neither should need to justify their doing so.

220 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:45:18am
221 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:46:04am

So.

222 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:46:55am

“There are no red lines for this administration. President Obama draws with a pink crayon.”
- Col. Oliver North

CPAC2014

223 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:47:15am
224 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:48:26am

Look at this beautiful view. Can you imagine what it took to build that castle?

225 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:51:12am

re: #222 Gus

“There are no red lines for this administration. President Obama draws with a pink crayon.”
- Col. Oliver North

CPAC2014

Hey look a lame line by a right wing criminal trying to call the president a sissy because he doesn’t see war as the first answer, how original.

226 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:52:06am

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

But that’s >not the argument. The argument is that both of the women pictured are exercising their rights and neither should need to justify their doing so.

But no one is saying that women shouldn’t be allowed to arm themselves. That’s strawman bullshit and you and I both know it. Where we have a problem is this idea that a gun is always going to be able to protect a woman from an attacker. That’s just dishonest.

227 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:52:25am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

Hey look a lame line by a right wing criminal trying to call the president a sissy because he doesn’t see war as the first answer, how original.

Why have a war when you can trade arms for hostages behind everyones’ back. //

228 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:52:57am

I’m waiting for the right wing to go full metal Benghazi over the claims that Obama lost Ukraine because the US had information showing the Russians preparing to invade, and the Administration didn’t take action ahead of time.

Reports that the Intelligence Community was caught off guard by events in Crimea are highly inaccurate. Since President Putin returned to the presidency the IC has frequently warned of worrisome trends with respect to Russia’s foreign policy.

On February 26, for example, the IC warned that Crimea was a flashpoint for Russian-Ukraine military conflict. The assessment included an analysis of Russian military assets staged for a potential deployment, and those already in Ukraine that could be used for other purposes. It clearly stated that the Russian military was likely making preparations for contingency operations in the Crimea and noted that such operations could be executed with little additional warning

Throughout the Ukraine crisis, the IC has worked diligently to provide our policymakers with the best possible insight and understanding to inform critical decisions. In the timeframe before the Russian incursion into Crimea, the IC’s expertise on Russian capabilities and intentions combined with our understanding of the highly dynamic environment to provide both advanced insight and warning.

Prior to 9/11 one of the major criticisms of the intelligence community was that dissenting analysis was often hidden or discounted. A major reform that vastly improved our intelligence process was the requirement that every intelligence agency have the opportunity provide assessments based on that agency’s analysis of the relevant information.

The National Security Act of 1947 (Amended August 2007) actually requires that dissenting opinions be included in National Intelligence Assessments. It actually says that the DNI is to ensure that differences in analytic judgment are fully considered and brought to the attention of policymakers.

That statement is also a cute way of saying, we had some data pointing to a Russian move on Crimea but didn’t think the data was strong enough. So, we included it, to give ourselves CYA in case they actually did move.

Now, of course, that’s exactly how they have to operate - they need to provide the intel, plus analysis supporting and opposing various outcomes of the moves by Russia. They can even weight the outcomes according to perceived preferences but it’s ultimately up to the Administration to act based on the intel at the time.

If the intel was mixed, then inaction may be the best course of action - and that leaves you open to being caught flat-footed, though in the case of Ukraine and Crimea, there’s not much the US could do militarily in any event. Economic actions can and should be taken, and that’s the course being taken thus far.

There’s still a long way to go as the crisis shakes out.

Meanwhile, Ukraine is hardly alone in uprisings and crisis points - Venezuela and Thailand continue to have deadly protests, Libya is again back in chaos, and the Syrian civil war grinds on.

229 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:53:38am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

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I can think of more effective ways to protest than freezing my ass off and getting arrested. : )

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230 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:54:34am

re: #227 Gus

Why have a war when you can trade arms for hostages behind everyones’ back. //

Yep good old Iran-Contra.

231 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:54:54am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

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From the article:

Two Femen protesters were arrested in Crimea’s capital Simferopol on Thursday after staging a topless demonstration against Russia’s intervention in Ukraine in front of the regional parliament.

One protestor was stopped by police within seconds while another ran around, repeatedly shouting “Stop Putin’s War”, which she had also written across her chest.

She was eventually detained and taken away in a van by security forces, while some people who had been watching the protest shouted: “Prostitutes!”

Honestly, I think those Femen ladies are playing with some serious fire this time. It’s not just being detained, its that a woman seen as hostile, sexual and aggressive in front of a bunch of soldiers runs a too-high risk of being sexually assaulted as a means to “teach her to keep her place”. In reality, of course, what this would really be about would be power: “We brook no defiance from a whore such as you! We’ll take from you what we want to take!”

Note: that does not mean said women to do not have a natural right to protest. They do, but in my opinion the attendant risks are far too high.

232 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:55:28am
233 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:55:33am

re: #222 Gus

So says the guy that was involved in selling guns to the Iranians for hostages. The same Iranian regime that held US citizens hostage after the embassy takeover and the same regime that was backing Hizbullah who murdered US peacekeepers in Beirut.

Yeah, he’s one to talk.

234 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:55:38am

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

But that’s >not the argument. The argument is that both of the women pictured are exercising their rights and neither should need to justify their doing so.

While I agree with you on this, DF, the problem remains that the NRA/Right Wing has badly poisoned the well.

There are a lot of people out there who don’t want to hear that “shooting stuff (paper, cans, melons, etc) is a lot of fun” because of that poisoning by those who really are Gun Nutz.

It’s the same with hunting. How many people have been turned off of even trying hunting because of Ted Nuget’s idiocy?

235 Mattand  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:56:19am

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

But that’s >not the argument. The argument is that both of the women pictured are exercising their rights and neither should need to justify their doing so.

True. However, there was no time where the young white lady’s right to own a destructive military rifle was in any real jeopardy.

Rosa Parks, on the other hand, was literally risking her life by refusing to sit at the back of the bus.

It’s a nauseatingly disingenuous false balance argument that is becoming so typical of Republicans and conservatives.

236 piratedan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:56:21am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Yep good old Iran-Contra.

yes, they love them the Constitution, that’s why devoted strict Constitutionalist Ollie North is speaking, because he once wore a uniform and upheld all of the tenets of that sacred document with honor and dignity…. /////

237 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:56:30am

re: #222 Gus

“There are no red lines for this administration. President Obama draws with a pink crayon.”
- Col. Oliver North

CPAC2014

Says a criminal & supporter of terrorists.

238 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:57:25am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

But no one is saying that women shouldn’t be allowed to arm themselves. That’s strawman bullshit and you and I both know it. Where we have a problem is this idea that a gun is always going to be able to protect a woman from an attacker. That’s just dishonest.

but that particular ad is not making the argument that “a gun is always going to be able to protect a woman from an attacker”. What it is saying is that she has a right to said gun, not that it is a magic amulet.

239 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:57:57am

re: #236 piratedan

yes, they love them the Constitution, that’s why devoted strict Constitutionalist Ollie North is speaking, because he once wore a uniform and upheld all of the tenets of that sacred document with honor and dignity…. /////

Ollie North is another person that should be a pariah but is instead a hero in conservative circles. His presence there reminds me how close Virginia got to electing that creep in ‘94.

240 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:58:33am

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

but that particular ad is not making the argument that “a gun is always going to be able to protect a woman from an attacker”. What it is saying is that she has a right to said gun, not that it is a magic amulet.

It’s a cynical attempt to co-opt the Civil Rights movement.

241 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:58:54am

re: #217 Justanotherhuman

This is now past the point of being the topic of any sort of serious discussion, it is all tittilating, slavering media sensationalism.

242 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:59:32am

The CPAC2014 hashtag is still overrun by teh spambots.

243 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 7:59:41am

re: #187 chadu

Obdi, point made, but I think you’re being overly prescriptive on the use of the word “contact” which is probably what is ticking JAH off because it’s a typical rhetorical tool for minimization of her experience.

I’m saying that even among those who she came into contact with, there are almost certainly gay guys whose existence is being allided in the telling of the story. I’m in no way minimizing the idea that, in our society, there is a predatory, judgmental, aggressive, etc. attitude of men towards women, especially with a bizarre slut/virgin duality where every choice a woman makes is adjudicated to be wrong on some level. If women don’t sleep around, society judges them to be frigid, if they do, they’re sluts, etc.

What I’m saying is that putting it in absolute gender terms (and especially in identification of those terms with biological reality) serves to obliterate anyone who isn’t part of that dominant culture.

244 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:00:19am

re: #130 Pie-onist Overlord

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245 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:00:35am

re: #240 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s a cynical attempt to co-opt the Civil Rights movement.

Thank you, this is what really bothers me about it. I mean, you want to own a gun, great but do not compare that to people who literally were imprisoned and had to live their life under fear fighting for their civil rights.

246 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:00:43am

re: #241 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This is now past the point of being the topic of any sort of serious discussion, it is all tittilating, slavering media sensationalism.

Considering the topic, it will always evolve to that status. Part of its nature.

247 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:01:00am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

But no one is saying that women shouldn’t be allowed to arm themselves. That’s strawman bullshit and you and I both know it. Where we have a problem is this idea that a gun is always going to be able to protect a woman from an attacker. That’s just dishonest.

Since an awful lot of rape occurs with acquaintances on dates, the best way for a woman to protect herself with a gun is to keep it loaded, cocked and pointed at her partners head all through dinner, movie and dancing…until he drops her off safely home.

248 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:01:07am

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

From the article:

Honestly, I think those Femen ladies are playing with some serious fire this time. It’s not just being detained, its that a woman seen as hostile, sexual and aggressive in front of a bunch of soldiers runs a too-high risk of being sexually assaulted as a means to “teach her to keep her place”. In reality, of course, what this would really be about would be power: “We brook no defiance from a whore such as you! We’ll take from you what we want to take!”

Note: that does not mean said women to do not have a natural right to protest. They do, but in my opinion the attendant risks are far too high.

They are a mixed bag. Sometimes they make a good point and sometimes they’re counterproductive. But I will give them credit for having the balls of being consistent. They will protest in in dangerous places like Tunisia and Russia as well as the easy places in Western Europe or America. You’ll never see the Fred Phelps clan protest in South Chicago or Compton.

249 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:02:06am

I can’t buy “Cheese Nips” without thinking about McHale’s Navy. Is there something wrong with me? //

250 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:02:30am

re: #233 lawhawk

So says the guy that was involved in selling guns to the Iranians for hostages. The same Iranian regime that held US citizens hostage after the embassy takeover and the same regime that was backing Hizbullah who murdered US peacekeepers in Beirut.

Yeah, he’s one to talk.

Actually, we didn’t sell Iran many if any guns. Iran produced many of its rifles domestically and the cheap AKs that armed its Basji militia were purchased from China. What we sold Iran were spare parts for vehicles (especially M113A1 APCs), Improved-TOW ATGMs and the equipment needed to upgrade Iranian launchers to fire them, and 18 HAWK SAMs (though all but one of the SAMs was returned).

251 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:02:49am

HURR HURR!!! I WILL SHOW HOW HIP I AM & APPEAL TO TEH YOUNGSTERS!!!!

252 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:03:25am

re: #251 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!! I WILL SHOW HOW HIP I AM & APPEAL TO TEH YOUNGSTERS!!!!

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Well, they both hate Israel. //

253 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:03:26am

bbc.com

15:53: The website of Kerch Net TV has posted a video said to show some 20 Russian military vehicles driving through the centre of Kerch, located on the coast of the Kerch Strait that separates Crimea and Russia. Al-Jazeera correspondent Nick Schifrin reported seeing a “massive convoy of Russian troops on the move” near the city. The BBC has not independently confirmed the reports.

254 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:03:39am

re: #251 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!! I WILL SHOW HOW HIP I AM & APPEAL TO TEH YOUNGSTERS!!!!

I will make a Pink Floyd reference during my speech this afternoon, Tweet back with your guess of the song name.

Rand Paul in Congress: Just another prick in the halls…

255 Mattand  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:03:44am

re: #240 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s a cynical attempt to co-opt the Civil Rights movement.

Absolutely. It’s along the lines of the “DEMOCRATZ INVENTED THE KKK HERP DERP” that conservatives and their supporters spout, which conveniently ignores how abominable the GOP has treated minorities since the Dixiecrats went Republican.

256 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:04:28am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

No one really appreciates martyrs in this kind of situation. I knew when to avoid danger when I was protesting back in the day, and was arrested only once, in DC—with hundreds of others. The arrests were thrown out.

257 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:05:23am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Rand Paul in Congress: Just another prick in the halls…

We don’t need education funding, we want thought control. Hey teacher spank that kid alone!

258 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:05:29am

re: #251 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!! I WILL SHOW HOW HIP I AM & APPEAL TO TEH YOUNGSTERS!!!!

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Several Species of Small Furry Creatures Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict?

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259 bubba zanetti  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:05:53am

re: #251 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!! I WILL SHOW HOW HIP I AM & APPEAL TO TEH YOUNGSTERS!!!!

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No chance that will go wrong. There can’t be any unflattering song titles…

260 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:05:55am

re: #251 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!! I WILL SHOW HOW HIP I AM & APPEAL TO TEH YOUNGSTERS!!!!

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Didn’t know Pink Floyd had a song called “I’m Irrelevant”. Learns something new everyday.

(I did learn not too long ago that Roger Waters is really Anti-Semitic and I can’t help but wonder if that doesn’t help PF’s appeal in those circles… )

261 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:06:08am
262 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:06:40am

re: #255 Mattand

Absolutely. It’s along the lines of the “DEMOCRATZ INVENTED THE KKK HERP DERP” that conservatives and their supporters spout, which conveniently ignores how abominable the GOP has treated minorities since the Dixiecrats went Republican.

The really only important factor for which party is less racist/more supportive of minorities is the views of minorities and the membership of minorities in those parties.

Say the Democrats had actually been a virulently racist party up until 1996. It doesn’t matter a bit, if they’re not that way now.

With the GOP, it goes beyond racism; they also combine it with a strong dose of culturalism. Do they really have to wonder why Asians dislike them so much when they babble about “Judeo-Christian” as though it’s the wellspring of all values in the world?

263 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:07:24am

re: #261 Gus

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I don’t think Matt’s aware that straight couples can do and have anal sex too. He should really be focused on his own (likely) non-existent sex life than the sex life of a gay couple.

264 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:07:28am

re: #260 William Barnett-Lewis

Didn’t know Pink Floyd had a song called “I’m Irrelevant”. Learns something new everyday.

(I did learn not too long ago that Roger Waters is really Anti-Semitic and I can’t help but wonder if that doesn’t help PF’s appeal in those circles… )

As a mom, I always liked David best. : )

265 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:07:36am

re: #260 William Barnett-Lewis

Didn’t know Pink Floyd had a song called “I’m Irrelevant”. Learns something new everyday.

(I did learn not too long ago that Roger Waters is really Anti-Semitic and I can’t help but wonder if that doesn’t help PF’s appeal in those circles… )

The wingnuts love to brag about their HURR HURR SUPPORT ISREAL SO JESUS WILL COME BACK & KILL ALL TEH JUICE WHO DON’T CONVERT!!!!!

266 Mattand  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:08:51am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

I don’t think Matt’s aware that straight couples can do and have anal sex too. He should really be focused on his own (likely) non-existent sex life than the sex life of a gay couple.

LOL, if only he would watch more porn, he would be more informed!

267 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:09:17am

re: #237 William Barnett-Lewis

“There are no red lines for this administration. President Obama draws with a pink crayon.”
- Col. Oliver North

CPAC2014


Says a criminal & supporter of terrorists.

This seems to be a favorite line. RWNJs have to steal everything.

From 2013, about Syria.

“Obama’s “red lines” are more like pink zebra stripes. “

algemeiner.com

268 piratedan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:11:50am

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

Actually, we didn’t sell Iran many if any guns. Iran produced many of its rifles domestically and the cheap AKs that armed its Basji militia were purchased from China. What we sold Iran were spare parts for vehicles (especially M113A1 APCs), Improved-TOW ATGMs and the equipment needed to upgrade Iranian launchers to fire them, and 18 HAWK SAMs (though all but one of the SAMs was returned).

well that makes Ollie a hero then if he was able to break a few rules and guidelines to send spare parts for hostages… what a deal, like trinkets for Manhattan, right?

269 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:12:20am

re: #266 Mattand

LOL, if only he would watch more porn, he would be more informed!

Perhaps we should start up a charity. Porn for fundies. They do say watching porn makes you more tolerant!

270 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:12:22am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

I don’t think Matt’s aware that straight couples can do and have anal sex too. He should really be focused on his own (likely) non-existent sex life than the sex life of a gay couple.

Or that there’s a lot of gay dudes who don’t like anal sex either.

It’s all a rich, if slightly sticky, tapestry.

271 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:12:50am

272 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:13:56am

OT

So I’m working in wireless customer service for the second time in my life (different companies each time) and I have a few gripes about how the industry conducts itself:

1. Carriers overselling their networks - Thanks to those misleading but nice looking coverage maps that are plastered all over TV, magazine and online ads, people are under the impression that you can get super awesome 4G LTE coverage just about anywhere in the country regardless of whether you are indoors, outdoors or if it’s sunny or raining or snowing outside.

There are two important realities customers fail to understand: Firstly, the coverage shown in the maps is an exaggeration. In most cases it represents where 4G coverage is available, regardless of the quality of the connection.

You might notice the maps are just one single color plastered across the United States, making no distinction for varying coverage levels.

The second reality is that, as advanced as they’ve become, cell phones are still primarily meant to be used OUTSIDE and that’s still where you’ll find the best coverage. Don’t be shocked that you don’t have stellar coverage on the ground floor of a twenty story building.

There are sooo many things that factor into what kind of signal you get.

2. Customers still they should be able to get free phones all the time - Doesn’t matter if it’s a warranty claim or an insurance claim or even an upgrade, customers still seem to have a tough time grasping the fact that phones COST MONEY. Like hundreds of dollars. That and there are only certain conditions where you are entitled to a phone at no cost. A straight warranty replacement sure, but not for a cracked screen.

I actually talk to people daily who expect us to replace their broken phone (which they themselves broke) through an insurance claim and not charge them any deductible. I’ve had to refer customers to my managers over stuff like this.

3. Perception of cell phones as a utility - Look, I get cell phones are important to us, I get that they are an extremely vital way to stay connected with people and so on. Just the same though, wireless carriers are not obligated to extend your bill endlessly and keep your service on because you “need it”.

I had a guy begging me to keep his phone connected and he hadn’t paid in FOUR MONTHS. He then tried to claim that it is illegal for us to cut people off because cell phones are considered a “necessity” and he’ll sue me and my company for this. Good luck with that buddy,

4. People who refuse to accept responsibility for what they did - I can easily help you fix up a phone that’s having issues but don’t try and tell me it’s nothing you did when I can plainly see by inspecting the device that you’ve installed a bunch of crapware apps that are causing your phone to run slow, freeze on occasion and otherwise malfunction.

Bonus points if, after I clean your phone up for you, you come back a week later with the same crapware magically reinstalled and claim you have “absolutely no idea how it got there.”

5. Sales reps overselling - Salespeople make their money (and keep their jobs) by selling phones. They have quotas to make so it’s in their interest to tell the customers whatever they have to (including bald faced lies and misrepresentations) to shovel a phone into their hands. Of course, once the customer realizes that all those things the salesperson says aren’t exactly true, it falls to someone like me to clean up the mess and I end up having to clean up such messes quite often.

Some helpful advice on this one: Get EVERYTHING in writing. If a sales person says he is going to offer you some special credit or deal if you get a phone today, make sure he writes it down. If nothing else, you’ll have some ammo for small claims court if it comes to that.

273 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:14:41am

re: #251 Pie-onist Overlord

Another Brick in the Wall - “We don’t need no education…”

274 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:14:44am

re: #265 Pie-onist Overlord

The wingnuts love to brag about their HURR HURR SUPPORT ISREAL SO JESUS WILL COME BACK & KILL ALL TEH JUICE WHO DON’T CONVERT!!!!!

That’s the punchline you know. What with Rand Paul, Roger Waters, and Israel. This is all rather hilarious.

275 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:15:10am

re: #262 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The really only important factor for which party is less racist/more supportive of minorities is the views of minorities and the membership of minorities in those parties.

Say the Democrats had actually been a virulently racist party up until 1996. It doesn’t matter a bit, if they’re not that way now.

With the GOP, it goes beyond racism; they also combine it with a strong dose of culturalism. Do they really have to wonder why Asians dislike them so much when they babble about “Judeo-Christian” as though it’s the wellspring of all values in the world?

That’s a good point regarding Asians. Someone pointed this out downstairs after I headed out yesterday afternoon but the GOP in the west coast once competed successfully with Asians for the vote but now the Asian vote like the Hispanic one is overwhelmingly Democratic. Seems to me that Republicans/conservatives either don’t want to appeal to minorities (read crap said by Phyillis Schalfry about how minorities just get free stuff from the Dems and that’s why they vote Dem) or they refuse to want to understand how the GOP’s own actions have given them a negative image in minority communities. They really have only themselves to blame for their image.

276 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:15:37am

Wait. Is it Roger Waters? Have to check.

277 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:15:48am

re: #270 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Or that there’s a lot of gay dudes who don’t like anal sex either.

It’s all a rich, if slightly sticky, tapestry.

Yep.

278 Mattand  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:15:55am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Perhaps we should start up a charity. Porn for fundies. They do say watching porn makes you more tolerant!

I’m sure if you strolled through his browser history, there’s be a few, shall we say, ribald sites.

279 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:16:06am

re: #261 Gus

Very good question, how do Gay partners consummate their marriages, it`s not recognised in the mouth/anus

This again shows their completely medival concept of marriage: it is not about “consummation”, it is about recognising basic rights: property, inheritance, adoption, visitation, etc.

280 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:16:30am

Yep…

“Pink Floyd star Roger Waters compares Israelis to Nazis”

281 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:16:33am

re: #276 Gus

Wait. Is it Roger Waters? Have to check.

Waters, I think. Daltrey is the Who. And I always wrongfully assume that Led Zep’s singer was a Roger but it’s in fact Robert Plant.

282 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:17:25am

Conservative porn.

283 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:18:17am

Ergo.

284 jonhendry  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:18:24am

re: #261 Gus

I guess Barber doesn’t think paralyzed veterans should be able to marry, either. Or the elderly.

285 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:18:35am

re: #282 Skip Intro

Conservative porn.

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Ha! Yeah they are a bit shall we say weird about their adamant idea that Putin is a “man’s man” and Obama is some kind of sissy.

286 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:19:41am
287 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:19:49am

I try not to fantasize about other peoples’ sex lives. Lots of people get into different things. Gay, straight, bi, trans has little to do with it.

288 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:20:34am

re: #271 darthstar

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That’s a near Godwin right there. Mitch McConnell is in no way a murderous thug like Saddam Hussein.

289 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:20:44am
290 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:20:48am
291 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:20:48am

re: #286 Pie-onist Overlord

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She just drank their milkshakes. Pwned.

292 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:21:39am
293 Mattand  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:22:17am

re: #280 Gus

Yep…

“Pink Floyd star Roger Waters compares Israelis to Nazis”

Yeesh. I had no idea.

A buddy of mine who is Jewish is a huge Floyd head, to the point of questioning my ability as an artist because I was never that big a fan.

You never want to meet your heroes, I guess…

294 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:22:36am
295 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:24:25am

re: #294 Gus

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I guess Obama - George Wallace is the new meme de weekend, Jindal did it yesterday too. I don’t think Reed or Jindal knows how offensive it is claim that a man who would have been subject to discrimination in Wallace’s Alabama is like him.

296 Mattand  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:25:53am

Swear to God, if Republican gain control of this country again, we’re fucked.

Between the religious, racist fanatics running the show to the spineless people who “don’t always agree with everything they say” but vote for them anyway; it will be the death of us as a nation.

297 palomino  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:25:55am

re: #189 darthstar

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Such a dilemma for the right: they want tougher action on Ukraine from Obama, but that tough action might damage Putin, their new hero.

298 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:25:59am

re: #279 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This again shows their completely medival concept of marriage: it is not about “consummation”, it is about recognising basic rights: property, inheritance, adoption, visitation, etc.

About as medieval as the words, maidenhead, dowry, the actual meaning of “wife” which originally meant simply “woman” and whose origin may have come from another root, meaning “shame” or “pudenda”.

Thank goodness we’re no longer property, although there are enough out there who want us to revert to that status.

299 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:26:37am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

I guess Obama - George Wallace is the new meme de weekend, Jindal did it yesterday too. I don’t think Reed or Jindal knows how offensive it is claim that a man who would have been subject to discrimination in Wallace’s Alabama is like him.

Lee Atwater isn’t available for comment.

300 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:27:33am

re: #298 Justanotherhuman

About as medieval as the words, maidenhead, dowry, the actual meaning of “wife” which originally meant simply “woman” and whose origin may have come from another root, meaning “shame” or “pudenda”.

Thank goodness we’re no longer property, although there are enough out there who want us to revert to that status.

And they make no distinction between the religious sacrament of Holy Matrimony and the legal status of marriage.

Churches can bestow or deny matrimony on anyond they wish, but the law is finally coming around to recognizing that it cannot deny the legal status of marriage based on race, religion or gender.

301 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:28:28am

re: #299 Gus

Lee Atwater isn’t available for comment.

I believe Reed actually worked for Atwater.

302 Mattand  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:29:03am

re: #297 palomino

Such a dilemma for the right: they want tougher action on Ukraine from Obama, but that tough action might damage Putin, their new hero.

As I said before, I remember when I was a kid, conservatives were always screaming “Move to Russia if you love it so much!” if you dared to say anything slightly critical about America.

I still cannot get over the fact these same dipshits are now openly professing their love for a Russian dictator.

303 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:29:48am

re: #302 Mattand

As I said before, I remember when I was a kid, conservatives were always screaming “Move to Russia if you love it so much!” if you dared to say anything slightly critical about America.

I still cannot get over the fact these same dipshits are now openly professing their love for a Russian dictator.

As a Muslim once told me baby baby it’s a wild world.

304 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:29:52am
305 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:30:32am

re: #304 Pie-onist Overlord

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Trying to recall who won the Straw in 2011.

306 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:31:04am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

Trying to recall who won the Straw in 2011.

RON PAUL!!!!!

307 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:31:39am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And they make no distinction between the religious sacrament of Holy Matrimony and the legal status of marriage.

Churches can bestow or deny matrimony on anyond they wish, but the law is finally coming around to recognizing that it cannot deny the legal status of marriage based on race, religion or gender.

Yes, secular law—the best thing that ever happened to humanity in the social and political realms. But everything depends on who’s making the law and who’s administering it.

308 palomino  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:31:58am

re: #286 Pie-onist Overlord

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Exactly. That meme is useless. Today’s Republicans ARE the Democrats of 50-150 years ago: predominantly southern, disproportionately rural.

309 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:32:59am

CPAC speakers decry minorities and that low-income voters are going after “freebies” like health insurance, Medicare/Medicaid, food stamps, etc., but CPAC has all kinds of swag (aka free stuff) designed to get people to vote a certain way (like voting in the CPAC straw poll for a particular individual), or to get others to take certain positions that are truly antithetical to their own well being.

Another instance of cognitive dissonance.

310 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:34:17am
311 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:35:31am

OK, so we’re talking about women, the Crimea, and guns. I’ve got the perfect photo (created to Thomas Peters of Reuters):

The soldier on the left has the ubiquitous AKMS folding stock 7.62x39mm assault rifle, the soldier in the center holds an AK-74M 5.45x39mm assault rifle, while the man on the right has the 9x39mm AS Val integrally suppressed assault rifle.

312 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:36:01am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

As a Muslim once told me baby baby it’s a wild world.

I think he wrote that before his conversion, about his relationship w/Patti D’Arbanville which was breaking up.

313 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:36:02am

re: #308 palomino

Exactly. That meme is useless. Today’s Republicans ARE the Democrats of 50-150 years ago: predominantly southern, disproportionately rural.

Here’s the other thing. Those Dems of 150 years ago made a lot of noise about states rights. Aren’t these the same guys who also accuse the Dems of wanting a way too intrusive federal government? I know, I know, I’m asking a lot to expect consistency from these people. Honestly I admire the Republican Party’s record on race from 1854-1964. It’s just the last 50 years they’ve gone from being the party that championed banning lynching, the 13th through 15th amendments to being a party that actively courted those who voted for Thurmond in ‘48 and Wallace in ‘68. Reagan opened up a campaign where civil rights workers were kidnapped and later murdered with a speech about states rights, Nixon had the Southern Strategy, Bush I had Lee Atwater as his main guy, and Bush II got heat for speaking at Bob Jones which had for years prohibited interracial dating. I mean you just can’t point out that the Dems were a bunch of assholes on race in a time when 95% of my ancestors were still in Europe and ignore how for the past 50 years the Republicans have been total assholes too but I digress.

314 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:36:52am

re: #312 Justanotherhuman

I think he wrote that before his conversion, about his relationship w/Patti D’Arbanville which was breaking up.

Yeah I’m almost positive he did too but my point is it’s a strange world where the American right looks to Russia with awe.

315 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:37:41am

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

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I’m glad he’s out of Congress. It’s no wonder that he saw Luap Nor as a good potential running mate though.

316 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:37:54am

Bad craziness.

317 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:39:04am

I’m embarrassed to admit here but I’ll admit it. I once supported Kucinich for president back in 2004. Agh.

318 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:39:09am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m almost positive he did too but my point is it’s a strange world where the American right looks to Russia with awe.

Yeah, go figure.

319 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:39:49am

re: #318 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, go figure.

Yep, perhaps we’ll both live to see them praise Iran too.

320 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:41:32am

re: #317 HappyWarrior

I’m embarrassed to admit here but I’ll admit it. I once supported Kucinich for president back in 2004. Agh.

You’ll live. I voted for Bush in 2004.

[Jumps into fox hole.]

321 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:43:12am

re: #317 HappyWarrior

I’m embarrassed to admit here but I’ll admit it. I once supported Kucinich for president back in 2004. Agh.

I supported Kucinich in that primary. He wasn’t crazy then…just the anti-Bush.

322 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:43:12am

re: #320 Gus

You’ll live. I voted for Bush in 2004.

[Jumps into fox hole.]

Ha! GEt outta there. But yeah, I was a naive kid.

323 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:44:33am

re: #322 HappyWarrior

Ha! GEt outta there. But yeah, I was a naive kid.

He’s with Fox News now isn’t he?

324 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:44:37am

re: #317 HappyWarrior

I’m embarrassed to admit here but I’ll admit it. I once supported Kucinich for president back in 2004. Agh.

I. Just. Couldn’t. Do. It. Voted for Kerry. I do think Kucinich has gotten worse since he married Elizabeth Jane Harper who appears to be a dudesis.

325 piratedan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:44:42am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

yeah, the GOP has a proud history to look back on, unfortunately most of it is ancient history unless you want to throw Nixon a bone for the EPA and OSHA workplace advancements, granted most folks thought those were sops to the left so he could continue to have a free hand with his foreign policy ambitions, still, progress is progress. Perhaps, the last thing was Eisenhower’s (and the military industrial complex he loathed) push for an Interstate Highway System.

As for recent history, I’d be happy to listen to what DF and Kilgore could cite as accomplishments in the last 50 years that could be attributed to the GOP. I can’t think of a single thing that the GOP has done since Ford that I would deem as any kind of social progress or even in foreign policy that would be seen as making the world a better place.

326 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:44:54am
327 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:45:03am

re: #321 darthstar

I supported Kucinich in that primary. He wasn’t crazy then…just the anti-Bush.

True that. He was just very dovish which was my position on foreign policy at the time. Shared a lot of common ground on domestics too. It’s sad to see him join the Paulian/loony lefty intersection.

328 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:46:07am

re: #323 Gus

He’s with Fox News now isn’t he?

Yeah he is. He got put in the same district as Marcy Kaptur and it was mostly her old turf (Toldeo and stuff) and she beat him easily in the primary and then beat Not Joe the not plumber but now a union member easily in the GE.

329 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:46:41am

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

OK, so we’re talking about women, the Crimea, and guns. I’ve got the perfect photo (created to Thomas Peters of Reuters):

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The soldier on the left has the ubiquitous AKMS folding stock 7.62x39mm assault rifle, the soldier in the center holds an AK-74M 5.45x39mm assault rifle, while the man on the right has the 9x39mm AS Val integrally suppressed assault rifle.

I came in late and was going to leave it alone, but you gave me the opening to comment on that woman with a gun vs Rosa Parks graphic.

re: #240 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s a cynical attempt to co-opt the Civil Rights movement.

re: #226 HappyWarrior

But no one is saying that women shouldn’t be allowed to arm themselves. That’s strawman bullshit and you and I both know it. ….

My point is a combination of these two. You should recognize an offensively false analogy when you see one. To compare Rosa Parks’s ‘need’ to ride on the front of the bus, when she was legal banned from there because of her race and arrested for asserting a right that contradicted local law, with a woman who is not being treated differently under the law than anyone else is a total fail.

330 b.d.  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:47:51am

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

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I am really sick of all of these blaming dudebros and wingnuts.

Genius plot of Putin’s, invade Ukraine to make America look bad.

331 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:47:59am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Yeah he is. He got put in the same district as Marcy Kaptur and it was mostly her old turf (Toldeo and stuff) and she beat him easily in the primary and then beat Not Joe the not plumber but now a union member easily in the GE.

What sort of snacks do you think Kucinich prefers? //

332 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:49:31am

re: #325 piratedan

yeah, the GOP has a proud history to look back on, unfortunately most of it is ancient history unless you want to throw Nixon a bone for the EPA and OSHA workplace advancements, granted most folks thought those were sops to the left so he could continue to have a free hand with his foreign policy ambitions, still, progress is progress. Perhaps, the last thing was Eisenhower’s (and the military industrial complex he loathed) push for an Interstate Highway System.

As for recent history, I’d be happy to listen to what DF and Kilgore could cite as accomplishments in the last 50 years that could be attributed to the GOP. I can’t think of a single thing that the GOP has done since Ford that I would deem as any kind of social progress or even in foreign policy that would be seen as making the world a better place.

Last GOP presidential candidate I can see myself voting for is Ford. Though a lot of that is hindsight bias regarding Carter and not having lived Watergate and Jerry’s pardon of Nixon. But yeah that’s what does frustrate me about the GOP. They do have a good history. I mean the whole party was founded by anti-slavery Whigs who were tired of that party being indecisive on that issue. It’s more than just common presidential heroes like Lincoln, TR, but even lesser knowns like Harrison (he did a lot for civil war veterans) and those who were corrupt Harding (gave the first speech on Southern soil condemning lynching) deserve credit but it seems to me that ever since the GOP nominated Goldwater, they wanted to throw away that legacy.

333 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:49:36am

re: #329 wrenchwench

I came in late and was going to leave it alone, but you gave me the opening to comment on that woman with a gun vs Rosa Parks graphic.

My point is a combination of these two. You should recognize an offensively false analogy when you see one. To compare Rosa Parks’s ‘need’ to ride on the front of the bus, when she was legal banned from there because of her race and arrested for asserting a right that contradicted local law, with a woman who is not being treated differently under the law than anyone else is a total fail.

THIS. SO MUCH THIS. ALL TEH UPDINGS.

334 piratedan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:49:49am

re: #331 Gus

milkshakes, unless someone else drinks it ahead of him…. //

335 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:49:55am
336 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:50:32am

re: #331 Gus

What sort of snacks do you think Kucinich prefers? //

He’s a vegan still isn’t he? Grape leaves are quite good. On my veggie days, I’m partial to good falfafel when I can find it.

337 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:50:35am
338 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:52:30am

re: #333 Pie-onist Overlord

THIS. SO MUCH THIS. ALL TEH UPDINGS.

I had to go back and make sure I updinged the ones I quoted. :)

339 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:52:33am

Right about now if I were the Koch brothers I’d set aside $250 million for a Sanders run.

340 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:53:37am

You know who was a great Republican. Fiorello Laguardia. He may be in fact my favorite 20th century Republican office holder. Interesting guy too. New York’s first mayor of Italian decent had a Jewish mother, was raised in Arizona, and was a practicing Episcopalian. Great progressive voice domestically and an early voice condemning Hitler and Mussolini abroad. And this praise from a guy who would have his watering hole near the Tammany Hall folks.

341 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:54:28am

re: #338 wrenchwench

I had to go back and make sure I updinged the ones I quoted. :)

Upding for upding WW.

342 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:57:01am

re: #339 Gus

Right about now if I were the Koch brothers I’d set aside $250 million for a Sanders run.

Couch change.

343 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 8:58:45am

re: #342 wrenchwench

Couch change.

Where as to the rest of us in the 99.9%, that’s set for me and my descendants who will be around in the year 2222.

344 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:02:35am

This looks like a future Page for Political Atheist:


From the link:

[…]

If this were an isolated incident caused by one overzealous police officer, it might be possible to look past it. But, as I wrote in the 2012 blog post, there seems to be a misconception among some police officers and others in authority that they can stop not only the press but anyone taking pictures or recording police activity at a crime scene.

[…]

345 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:02:40am

re: #342 wrenchwench

Couch change.

I was going to say a billion. But si.

346 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:03:25am
347 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:05:08am

ICYMI

348 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:07:55am

Good report, with background.

Crimean Tatars fret over future in Crimea under Russian rule

kyivpost.com

349 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:08:05am


Saudi Arabia listed Friday the Muslim Brotherhood of deposed Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi as a terrorist organisation, along with Syria’s two main militant groups, according to Al-Arabiya television network.

The two groups are Al-Nusra Front, which is Al-Qaeda’s official Syrian affiliate, and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), a rogue group fighting in both Syria and Iraq.

Yemen’s Shia Huthi rebels and the Saudi Hezbollah were also included in the official decree.

The decision follows an unprecedented diplomatic act on Thursday by Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the UAE to withdraw their ambassadors from Qatar, expressing rejection to the latter’s pro-Brotherhood orientation in its foreign policy…

350 b.d.  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:09:08am

re: #344 wrenchwench

Looks like he is being “forcibly” pulled

351 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:10:32am

Qatar owns Al Jazeera. Hence, Egypt.

352 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:11:28am

re: #350 b.d.

Looks like he is being “forcibly” pulled

Hard to tell which direction they’re going, but I think the cop is moving forward, based on the position of his legs.

353 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:11:47am
354 blueraven  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:12:56am

re: #349 Gus

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Saudi Arabia listed Friday the Muslim Brotherhood of deposed Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi as a terrorist organisation, along with Syria’s two main militant groups, according to Al-Arabiya television network.

Why now? Did something new happen?

355 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:12:57am
356 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:13:31am

Yeah, right. FB does whatever brings it more money.

Facebook tightens rules on gun posts

bbc.com

Seems a bit weak, since

“Under the guidelines, private sellers of firearms in the US will not be permitted to specify “no background check required”, nor can they offer to transact across state lines “without a licensed firearms dealer”.

The sellers just won’t mention that until they’re contacted. Word spreads.

357 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:15:11am
358 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:15:23am

WTFITS
Can someone explain this wingnut meme? It makes no sense.

359 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:15:26am
360 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:15:36am

re: #345 Gus

I was going to say a billion. But si.

An interesting list
Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014

I’m surprised Lockheed Martin and Boeing are so far down. Emiliy’s list is pretty huge and I think they’re relatively new. Teacher’s union spends more than JP Morgan.

361 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:15:48am
362 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:17:09am

Derp O’The Day, wingnuts are all seething that Obama got the words wrong in an Aretha Franklin song.

363 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:17:27am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

He’s a vegan still isn’t he? Grape leaves are quite good. On my veggie days, I’m partial to good falfafel when I can find it.

He’s still got a smokin’ hot wife.

364 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:17:33am


Yep.

365 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:17:59am

re: #363 darthstar

He’s still got a smokin’ hot wife.

Yeah he did good there.

366 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:18:09am

McCain appears to have slept better last night.

367 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:19:25am

Time Warner $24,463,922

Comcast Corp $20,603,390

If the merger goes through that would easily put the new company in the top ten list.

368 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:20:10am

re: #362 Pie-onist Overlord

Derp O’The Day, wingnuts are all seething that Obama got the words wrong in an Aretha Franklin song.

Well if they’re going to get upset about him wearing a bicycle helmet, I suppose getting upset at getting song lyrics (I heard he misspelled r-e-s-p-e-c-t.) isn’t too shocking for them.

369 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:20:25am

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

OK, so we’re talking about women, the Crimea, and guns. I’ve got the perfect photo (created to Thomas Peters of Reuters):

[Embedded image]

The soldier on the left has the ubiquitous AKMS folding stock 7.62x39mm assault rifle, the soldier in the center holds an AK-74M 5.45x39mm assault rifle, while the man on the right has the 9x39mm AS Val integrally suppressed assault rifle.

It’s obvious what the Ukranian strategy is….

Death By Snu Snu

RBS
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised…

370 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:21:00am
371 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:21:37am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

An interesting list
Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014

I’m surprised Lockheed Martin and Boeing are so far down. Emiliy’s list is pretty huge and I think they’re relatively new. Teacher’s union spends more than JP Morgan.

I think Emily’s List has been around for much of that span. Teachers unions doesn’t shock me. Education is a big deal and they’ve given to both parties over the years. The big donors are going to be companies that contribute fairly equally to both parties.

373 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:22:24am

re: #370 Gus

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I bet Dinesh is going to cry about how the media ignored his propaganda film.

374 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:22:48am
375 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:23:24am
376 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:24:44am

re: #347 Gus

Hey, you can’t fund and export extremist and political groups! Only we can do that! /not really.

The Saudis don’t like the fact that Qatar is busy punching above its weight class by aiding the MB and other groups, and spreading its own propaganda via AJ, so they’re looking at ways of countering it.

377 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:25:29am

re: #361 NJDhockeyfan

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So the Russian military is going to blow the gas pipelines going to Crimea?

How fucking stupid can they get?

378 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:25:39am

NOBODY IS COMFORTABLE LIVING IN POVERTY YOU HEARTLESS BITCH

379 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:25:47am

re: #375 Gus

Didn’t Dinesh D’Souza undermine traditional marriage?

That didn’t count, he did it because of passionz for hiz country and all…

380 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:26:08am

Dr. Strangelove…

[after learning of the Doomsday Machine]

President Merkin Muffley: But this is absolute madness, Ambassador! Why should you *build* such a thing?

Ambassador de Sadesky: There were those of us who fought against it, but in the end we could not keep up with the expense involved in the arms race, the space race, and the peace race. At the same time our people grumbled for more nylons and washing machines. Our doomsday scheme cost us just a small fraction of what we had been spending on defense in a single year. The deciding factor was when we learned that your country was working along similar lines, and we were afraid of a doomsday gap.

President Merkin Muffley: This is preposterous. I’ve never approved of anything like that.

Ambassador de Sadesky: Our source was the New York Times.

381 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:26:43am

re: #379 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That didn’t count, he did it because of passionz for hiz country and all…

For God and country!

382 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:27:19am

RONALD SAID AS HE GAVE ALL HIS RICH FRIENDS ANOTHER TAX BREAK:

383 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:27:41am

re: #378 Pie-onist Overlord

NOBODY IS COMFORTABLE LIVING IN POVERTY YOU HEARTLESS BITCH

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Easy in poverty is an oxymoron. You want to drive people out of poverty you say? Well, okay, you could increase their wages, oh wait conservatives oppose that. How about making students loans more easier to afford for poorer college students so they can get an education? Oh wait conservatives oppose that. What about food stamps so they don’t go hungry? Oh wait conservatives oppose that too.

384 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:29:37am

I’m surprised this isn’t being advertised at CPAC. Maybe the NRA could buy it to show that citizens are entitled to the same weaponry as countries.

TU-95MS - Soviet Bomber

A Soviet Era strategic bomber (demilitarized with all documents in order and ready for shipment).

Which we would like to offer you for sale.

The plane was manufactured in 1987 and has been flown 454 hours and 24 Minutes of the estimated 5000 hours it is capable off. Cause of that fact the overall condition of the plane is very decent.

All the shipping costs to the harbour of Nikolaiev or Odessa are included in the final sell price.

The airplane is not ready to fly. It is necessary to make a technical service and prolongation of the data limit.

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385 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:31:18am

re: #384 Skip Intro

Throw in some autographed 8x10 glossies of Putin and I’m sure you could land a buyer there.
////

386 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:32:32am
387 darthstar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:32:49am

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

OK, so we’re talking about women, the Crimea, and guns. I’ve got the perfect photo (created to Thomas Peters of Reuters):

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The soldier on the left has the ubiquitous AKMS folding stock 7.62x39mm assault rifle, the soldier in the center holds an AK-74M 5.45x39mm assault rifle, while the man on the right has the 9x39mm AS Val integrally suppressed assault rifle.

I’m sorry. I don’t see any soldiers in that pic. What the fuck are you talking about?

388 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:33:07am

re: #385 Feline Fearless Leader

Throw in some autographed 8x10 glossies of Putin and I’m sure you could land a buyer there.
////

Maybe some nose art would do it.

389 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:33:43am

re: #386 wrenchwench

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He has ideas that aren’t stolen from his father’s cookbook of crazy ideas?

390 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:34:39am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

He has ideas that aren’t stolen from his father’s cookbook of crazy ideas?

I think Rand has shown he’s willing to steal from lots of people.

391 bubba zanetti  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:35:03am

re: #385 Feline Fearless Leader

Spotted on the internetz:

At this rate they’ll have to rename it CCCPAC

392 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:36:04am

re: #390 Skip Intro

I think Rand has shown he’s willing to steal from lots of people.

Ah yeah I forgot about the plagiarism.

393 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:36:11am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

He has ideas that aren’t stolen from his father’s cookbook of crazy ideas?

He says he’s in the mainstream on Ukraine because. like everybody else, he’s not calling for boots on the ground. That’s his defense against Rubio calling him an isolationist.

394 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:36:23am

re: #382 Pie-onist Overlord

RONALD SAID AS HE GAVE ALL HIS RICH FRIENDS ANOTHER TAX BREAK:

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I can agree that is is overly complex and favors the top 1% at the expense of middle-class and working-class Americans. But that is not the message they are taking away from it: it is to abolish income and capital gains taxes and replace it with an 18% national sales tax…

395 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:36:34am

re: #386 wrenchwench

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Heh. Isn’t that standard GOP in any case? Mischaracterize and scoff since your own pantry of ideas and solutions is empty?

396 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:37:24am

re: #393 wrenchwench

He says he’s in the mainstream on Ukraine because. like everybody else, he’s not calling for boots on the ground. That’s his defense against Rubio calling him an isolationist.

Those two deserve each other’s misery.

397 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:37:59am

re: #394 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I can agree that is is overly complex and favors the top 1% at the expense of middle-class and working-class Americans. But that is not the message they are taking away from it: it is to abolish income and capital gains taxes and replace it with an 18% national sales tax…

Well said.

398 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:39:36am

re: #391 bubba zanetti

Spotted on the internetz:

O.o //

399 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:41:01am

re: #377 Dr Lizardo

So the Russian military is going to blow the gas pipelines going to Crimea?

How fucking stupid can they get?

It’s for the protection of the people!
//

400 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:41:15am
401 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:42:09am

re: #399 NJDhockeyfan

It’s for the protection of the people!
//

It doesn’t make sense; maybe I’m just not seeing something.

402 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:44:46am

re: #251 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!! I WILL SHOW HOW HIP I AM & APPEAL TO TEH YOUNGSTERS!!!!

[Embedded content]

I make Floyd references about him also. Specifically “Hello, is there anybody in there?”

403 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:44:49am

Good thing it’s not a religious war this time. /


Yeeesh.

404 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:46:30am

re: #403 wrenchwench

Good thing it’s not a religious war this time. /

[Embedded content]

Yeeesh.

405 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:50:07am

re: #402 Eventual Carrion

I make Floyd references about him also. Specifically “Hello, is there anybody in there?”

Careful with that axe, Eugene!

406 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:50:42am

LOL

407 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:51:07am

A t-shaped steel moment connection is a reliable form of Jesus toast.

408 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:52:31am

re: #407 Gus

A t-shaped steel moment connection is a reliable form of Jesus toast.

It’s a miracle! Because you would never find perpendicular support beams in construction wreckage!

409 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:52:40am
410 b.d.  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:53:17am

re: #406 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL

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SHE WANTS TO BUY A GOVERNMENT MOTORS CAR!!?!?!??! I BET SHE’LL EVEN DRINK A COCA-COLA WHILE DRIVING IT!! DAMN CINOs!!

411 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:54:03am
412 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:54:05am

re: #401 Dr Lizardo

It doesn’t make sense; maybe I’m just not seeing something.

I can only think of 2 things. One is they plan on bombing the pipelines and then blaming the Ukraine military for it as an excuse for rolling in or Putin has plans of leaving Crimea and he will cause as much disaster as he can on the way out.

Other than that I have no idea.

413 b.d.  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:54:53am

re: #403 wrenchwench
Left handed arm wrestling?

What a strange world they live in.

//

414 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:54:54am

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And that’s why other cats call Manx “Old Stonebutt”.
;)

415 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:55:09am

re: #408 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s a miracle! Because you would never find perpendicular support beams in construction wreckage!

Or a conspiracy. /

416 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:55:52am

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

CPAC2014 reminds you that bringing up W’s record is living in the past

Because W was a reasonable, competent president compared to the candidates they are offering…

417 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:55:57am

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

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418 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:57:21am

re: #407 Gus

A t-shaped steel moment connection is a reliable form of Jesus toast.

When I was in grade school we had ‘release time’ where some kids went off campus for religious instruction. The Catholics had an RV parked in front of the school. That’s where I learned that one can see evidence of God’s love all around us, like in the cross at the top of a telephone pole.

Yeeesh.

419 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:57:50am

re: #410 b.d.

SHE WANTS TO BUY A GOVERNMENT MOTORS CAR!!?!?!??! I BET SHE’LL EVEN DRINK A COCA-COLA WHILE DRIVING IT!! DAMN CINOs!!

GM made a Cadillac commercial featuring a rich douche gloating about how he never takes vacations so he can afford to drive a Cadillac.

Really a stupid commercial but they know their demographic.

420 b.d.  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:58:49am

re: #418 wrenchwench

When I was in grade school we had ‘release time’ where some kids went off campus for religious instruction. The Catholics had an RV parked in front of the school. That’s where I learned that one can see evidence of God’s love all around up, like in the cross at the top of a telephone pole.

Yeeesh.

That’s one of the reasons Jesus isn’t coming back, reminders of his horrible death are everywhere!!

//

421 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:59:32am

re: #414 Feline Fearless Leader

And that’s why other cats call Manx “Old Stonebutt”.
;)

My Manx has about an inch of tail. He can twitch it madly. Other than that, it points vaguely to the left.

422 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 9:59:44am

I’d like to point out that it’s less that the wingnuts are suddenly crushing on Soviet Russia, and more like they were crushing on a tinpot dictator engaged in endless preening and arbitrary violence against perceived detractors.

Because that’s Putin. Russian falangist.

423 Ian G.  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:00:17am

re: #406 Pie-onist Overlord

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

Oh no, mister right-winger, PLEASE don’t buy that UAW-made Cadillac! Don’t throw me in that briar patch!

424 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:01:26am

Hubs went to the city to see about getting his cracked windshield replaced.
He said, “I don’t have anything against people smoking pot in their spare time, but I don’t think I want them smoking pot while replacing my windshield” as he described smelling the pot while he was still in the parking lot…

425 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:01:35am

426 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:01:36am

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

Actually, we didn’t sell Iran many if any guns. Iran produced many of its rifles domestically and the cheap AKs that armed its Basji militia were purchased from China. What we sold Iran were spare parts for vehicles (especially M113A1 APCs), Improved-TOW ATGMs and the equipment needed to upgrade Iranian launchers to fire them, and 18 HAWK SAMs (though all but one of the SAMs was returned).

Why do you think the HAWK missiles were returned? I can’t find any reference to that ever happening.

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iran has doubled the range of the area covered by the radar systems of its mid-range Hawk air defense missile shield and improved its tracking and targeting capability by 40%, Commander of Khatam ol-Anbia Air Defense Base Brigadier General Farzad Esmayeeli announced on Monday.
“The range of this radar has been doubled in both mid- and low-altitude coverage and a unique electronic warfare capability has also been added to the Hawk defense system in its both mid- and low-altitude sections,” Esmayeeli said.

He said that the trace and tracking radar system of the Hawk missile shield has also been developed, and this has improved the tracking and targeting capability of the system up to 40%.

Esmayeeli also underlined that the missile defense shield can operate for 24 hours a day with a very high precision capability.

That was last month.

427 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:01:48am

re: #412 NJDhockeyfan

I can only think of 2 things. One is they plan on bombing the pipelines and then blaming the Ukraine military for it as an excuse for rolling in or Putin has plans of leaving Crimea and he will cause as much disaster as he can on the way out.

Other than that I have no idea.

Either one is a possibility, I guess; I could see him doing it.

428 b.d.  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:02:08am

re: #419 Pie-onist Overlord

GM made a Cadillac commercial featuring a rich douche gloating about how he never takes vacations so he can afford to drive a Cadillac.

Really a stupid commercial but they know their demographic.

It’s for an ELECTRIC!!! Cadillac too iirc. Those wingnuts sure know how to put themselves in a pickle.

What to do, what to do.

429 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:02:30am

GRRRR:


Yet another measles outbreak, and this time two of the kids infected were those whose parents refused to get them vaccinated. Several others infected were too young to get vaccinations.

This is what happens when people follow anti-vaxxer nonsense. They put their own kids, and others (including those with compromised immune systems, the elderly and young) at tremendous risk.

430 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:03:17am

re: #421 wrenchwench

My Manx has about an inch of tail. He can twitch it madly. Other than that, it points vaguely to the left.

I have a tuxedo cat that was born with his left rear paw missing, and only a little stub of a tail. He can twitch that tail like mad, too. And when he runs, he looks like a little bear barreling across the yard.

431 Ian G.  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:03:59am

re: #280 Gus

Yep…

“Pink Floyd star Roger Waters compares Israelis to Nazis”

Roger Waters has long struck me as a raving lunatic and exceedingly unpleasant man. I’ll still enjoy his music, just as I still enjoy many of Mel Gibson’s films, despite him being a raving anti-semitic drunken wife-beater.

They’re artists, not great moral teachers.

432 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:04:14am

433 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:04:38am

re: #428 b.d.

It’s for an ELECTRIC!!! Cadillac too iirc. Those wingnuts sure know how to put themselves in a pickle.

What to do, what to do.

Cadillac: Built Proudly In Detroit By Union Thugs.

434 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:05:43am

re: #428 b.d.

I think that’s one of the dumbest commericals in a long time. It certainly wouldn’t get someone to buy the car, and it’s a waste of a good actor - Neal McDonough.

435 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:06:53am

re: #358 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS
Can someone explain this wingnut meme? It makes no sense.

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436 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:08:00am
437 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:08:15am

re: #435 Skip Intro

[Embedded image]

FTW.

438 b.d.  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:08:48am

re: #434 lawhawk

I think that’s one of the dumbest commericals in a long time. It certainly wouldn’t get someone to buy the car, and it’s a waste of a good actor - Neal McDonough.

Good marketing campaign though.

Q. How do we get the wingnuts to buy a General Motors, Detroit and union made, electric car?
A. Make a commercial that makes liberals mad and RWNJs will buy anything.

btw, I don’t think that it has made any liberals mad.

439 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:09:45am
440 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:10:15am

re: #438 b.d.

btw, I don’t think that it has made any liberals mad.

(Don’t mess with a good bubble-fed meme)

441 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:11:26am

re: #434 lawhawk

I think that’s one of the dumbest commericals in a long time. It certainly wouldn’t get someone to buy the car, and it’s a waste of a good actor - Neal McDonough.

Two years ago there was a Mustang commercial that showed various people—girl in red boots, bike rider in green shirt, food service worker with white shirt & tattoos, a little girl in a ballerina costume! all dreaming about a Mustang in their favorite color & trim. When they DIDN’T show was a little old lady in a blue hat—a demographic that could actually go out to a dealership and drive out in a new Mustang.

442 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:12:26am

re: #406 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL

[Embedded content]

I learn new things every day. Now I know that China owns Cadillac.

The interesting thing about this ad is that even the govt. of China understands the principals of hard work and the rewards it can provide “Capitalism”. You see China has owned Cadillac for some years now. I don’t know exactly when they acquired Cadillac, but I am certain is was before the union bailout.

Imagine how liberals must feel when fellow communists beat them about the head with the undeniable fruits of capitalism in China’s Cadillac ad for American consumers. The delicious irony of it all.

linkis.com

443 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:12:52am
444 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:13:26am
445 sagehen  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:13:27am

re: #317 HappyWarrior

I’m embarrassed to admit here but I’ll admit it. I once supported Kucinich for president back in 2004. Agh.

Was this before or after you found out that he claims to have had personal contact with extra-terrestrial? (seriously. it’s in his book. he says this happened at Shirley McClaine’s house.)

446 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:15:49am

re: #445 sagehen

Was this before or after you found out that he claims to have had personal contact with extra-terrestrial? (seriously. it’s in his book. he says this happened at Shirley McClaine’s house.)

before.

447 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:16:07am

448 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:16:14am

The cost of not vaccinating is apparent for all to see. We’ve got another measles epidemic in NYC, and two of those who were infected are kids whose parents refused to get their kids infected. That means they could carry and infect others with the disease, and among those who have the measles are kids who are too young to get vaccinated.

This is not without a substantial cost. At the moment, this outbreak is similar in size to one that happened in 2011. That one cost local hospitals nearly $800k to fight.

Not vaccinating your children has real costs. From a purely economic perspective, there is a pretty solid incentive for making vaccination a worldwide requirement. In a 2011 article for Wired, Maryn McKenna found that to treat a single 14-person outbreak, two Arizona hospitals had to spend $799,136 to contain the disease — a cost that doesn’t include the man hours spent by the state’s department of health.

And this was simply handling the measles itself; if a child were to be stricken with any of the potential complications of the disease, they could end up in the hospital facing life-threatening acute conditions — which is well beyond a sticker price.

That doesn’t count the lost wages/productivity of the parents who had to take time off from work to treat their kids, or the actual damage done to the kids if there’s permanent disability resulting from the infection.

The anti-vaxxers are a menace to public health.

449 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:16:16am

re: #443 Gus

[Embedded content]

Well this is a movement whose greatest hero once starred in something called Bedtime for Bonzo.

450 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:17:15am

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Yeah I mean there are legitimate criticisms I think one can make of Carter but to have Trump make them is pretty laughable and for Trump to talk about him as if he’s dead is just lazy on Donald or whoever wrote Donald’s speech.

451 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:17:43am

re: #449 HappyWarrior

Well this is a movement whose greatest hero once starred in something called Bedtime for Bonzo.

THAT’S DIFFERENT!

452 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:19:30am

re: #448 lawhawk

The cost of not vaccinating is apparent for all to see. We’ve got another measles epidemic in NYC, and two of those who were infected are kids whose parents refused to get their kids infected. That means they could carry and infect others with the disease, and among those who have the measles are kids who are too young to get vaccinated.

This is not without a substantial cost. At the moment, this outbreak is similar in size to one that happened in 2011. That one cost local hospitals nearly $800k to fight.

That doesn’t count the lost wages/productivity of the parents who had to take time off from work to treat their kids, or the actual damage done to the kids if there’s permanent disability resulting from the infection.

The anti-vaxxers are a menace to public health.

Smart Guy PWNS anti-vaxxer.

453 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:19:35am

re: #448 lawhawk

And some children can NOT be vaccinated due to allergies or compromised immune systems, so anti-vaxxers put those children at extra risk.

454 Lidane  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:22:22am

So yesterday I found out about a position at a company one of my friends works at, but I had questions about the job. She asked around for me and the hiring manager gave her his email address and said I should email him my resume and that I should also apply for the job online, and that he’d reach out to me.

I spent so long writing the email to him and making sure it was right that I’m pretty sure the cover letter I attached to the online application was shit. I can’t go back and change it now, either. I hope it doesn’t hurt me too badly. Ugh.

455 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:22:51am

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

And some children can NOT be vaccinated due to allergies or compromised immune systems, so anti-vaxxers put those children at extra risk.

Herd Immunity trumped by the Herd Mind

456 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:23:31am
457 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:24:52am
458 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:25:08am

re: #456 Skip Intro

Somehow Rick Perry’s biggest applause line was calling on fed govt to “deliver the mail, preferably on time and on Saturdays”

Rick Perry made the trains run on time!!!

459 Lidane  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:26:49am
460 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:27:28am

People that like Ronald Reagan should thank all the gay casting directors that thought he was hot.

461 Ian G.  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:27:51am

re: #458 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Rick Perry made the trains run on time!!!

Speaking of Rick Perry, the chart in the below post really says a lot:

motherjones.com

There’s a miracle in Texas all right, if you’re an oil baron. For the majority of humanity, however, you’d be better off in soshumalist hellholes like CA and NY.

462 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:28:24am
463 Gus  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:29:18am
464 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:29:40am

Snowden asserts that he tried raising issues with superiors, but was rebuffed or fell on deaf ears before going and stealing the documents and handing them over to Greenwald and anyone else who was willing to take him in.

Yes. I had reported these clearly problematic programs to more than ten distinct officials, none of whom took any action to address them. As an employee of a private company rather than a direct employee of the US government, I was not protected by US whistleblower laws, and I would not have been protected from retaliation and legal sanction for revealing classified information about lawbreaking in accordance with the recommended process.

I’m sure there’s documentation to back up the assertion.

Instead, he decided to steal documents (crime 1), disseminate documents to unauthorized persons (crime 2), and fled the country (aggravated circumstances relating to his knowing that he committed crimes 1 and 2).

But more to the point, his claims that there was wrongdoing was debunked by the very documents he stole and Greenwald published (albeit burying those details way deep in wordy articles). Congress knew what was going on. FISC oversaw NSA actions and reigned in NSA as necessary, finding actions that it deemed were over the line and sought corrective actions, etc.

That doesn’t make him a whistleblower, and certainly stealing documents on means and methods that have nothing to do with actual or alleged crimes against US citizens or violations of US law and handing them over to unauthorized persons is a crime - espionage.

The continued treatment of Snowden as some kind of whistleblower ignores his actual actions, and what he actually took - and how those documents are being used.

They are not the acts of a whistleblower, but someone seeking to disrupt the NSA and US national security and intelligence gathering.

465 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:31:55am

re: #457 Skip Intro

So, he’s calling on Congress to change the USPS pension funding rules to their prior position? He’s going to allow the USPS to close low-volume locations, merge and close facilities, so that he can keep Saturday delivery?

Or… is he just stumping with populist claptrap that has no chance of advancing anywhere…

It’s the latter, but he wont admit it.

466 Kragar  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:33:58am

Bound to happen sooner or later:

467 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:35:10am

re: #465 lawhawk

So, he’s calling on Congress to change the USPS pension funding rules to their prior position? He’s going to allow the USPS to close low-volume locations, merge and close facilities, so that he can keep Saturday delivery?

Or… is he just stumping with populist claptrap that has no chance of advancing anywhere…

It’s the latter, but he wont admit it.

What happens at CPAC, stays at CPAC…. Baby.

RBS

468 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:41:55am

re: #466 Kragar

Bound to happen sooner or later:

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Well, that might actually spur changes in the SYG laws, primarily because the ones who will demand changes are LEOs and they’ve got more sway than the family of someone like Martin.

And that’s even if the officer involved in the shooting didn’t announce himself as the defendant claims.

469 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:44:55am

I’m not taking this to the next thread, but I’m telling you, libertarianism ruins everything. It’s even attempting to take over feminism.

dukechronicle.com

470 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:46:06am

re: #73 chadu

Saturn: Blinged-out Planetary Sibling!

What was ever decided about the blivit in the B-Ring?

471 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:49:35am

re: #466 Kragar

Bound to happen sooner or later:

[Embedded content]

Was the deputy black? If so, he walks.

472 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:53:57am

re: #243 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Fair enough.

473 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:55:20am

re: #251 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!! I WILL SHOW HOW HIP I AM & APPEAL TO TEH YOUNGSTERS!!!!

At #CPAC2014, I will make a Pink Floyd reference during my speech this afternoon, Tweet back with your guess of the song name.

“Rand Paul is a Pandering Asshole,” off of the SHUT THE FUCK UP album?

474 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 10:59:46am

re: #287 Gus

I try not to fantasize about other peoples’ sex lives. Lots of people get into different things. Gay, straight, bi, trans has little to do with it.

Hot.

/

475 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 11:06:47am

re: #405 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Careful with that axe, Eugene!

“You may feel a little prick.”

476 chadu  Fri, Mar 7, 2014 11:12:08am

re: #378 Pie-onist Overlord

NOBODY IS COMFORTABLE LIVING IN POVERTY YOU HEARTLESS BITCH

[Embedded content]

“Driving them out of it.”

Show me how that works.


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