R.E.M. to Trump and the GOP: "Go F*ck Yourselves"

R.E.M. to Trump and the GOP: “Go F*ck Yourselves”

Well said

PoliticsSeptember 2015 • Views: 55,198

At today’s ridiculous, poorly-attended Tea Party rally against the Iran nuclear deal, Donald Trump used the R.E.M. song, “It’s the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)” as his walk-on music.

The band was not amused: R.E.M. Slam Trump: ‘Go Fuck Yourselves’.

“Go fuck yourselves, the lot of you — you sad, attention-grabbing, power-hungry little men,” [Michael] Stipe said in a quote emailed to The Daily Beast. (He was likely referring to Trump and Cruz, two Republican presidential contenders who spoke at the rally.) “Do not use our music or my voice for your moronic charade of a campaign.”

On Wednesday evening, the band posted the following statement on their Facebook page: “While we do not authorize or condone the use of our music at this political event, and do ask that these candidates cease and desist from doing so, let us remember that there are things of greater importance at stake here.”

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stpaulbear Sep 9, 2015 • 7:42:45pm

How thin skinned is Trump going to be about this? 5-4-3-2-

HappyWarrior Sep 9, 2015 • 7:42:49pm

Well I know who I’m listening to at work tomorrow, thanks REM.

Jenner7 Sep 9, 2015 • 7:43:21pm

together we are smart men, smarting. pic.twitter.com/XCNegeVxip

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) September 10, 2015

WhatEVs Sep 9, 2015 • 7:44:48pm

re: #1 stpaulbear

How thin skinned is Trump going to be about this? 5-4-3-2-

Trump’s response is going to be YOOOUGE!

Eigth Immortal Sep 9, 2015 • 7:45:06pm

Has a Republican ever used a rock song without upsetting the musician? This keeps happening, but there’s Ted Nugent, they’ve used his music a few times, right?

Not that I mind, this is amusing. Mostly cause it’s not my music that’s being perverted.

HappyWarrior Sep 9, 2015 • 7:45:28pm

re: #1 stpaulbear

How thin skinned is Trump going to be about this? 5-4-3-2-

I’m expecting a lame crack at Stipe’s sexuality and for the GOP base to eat that shit up.

HappyWarrior Sep 9, 2015 • 7:46:05pm

re: #3 Jenner7

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That’s a lot of poop in their diapers.

nines09 Sep 9, 2015 • 7:50:09pm

Bitch slap courtesy of REM. Or as the right wing smear machine once portrayed them as “Really Evil Music”. Fuck the chumps and knuckle dragging sociopaths who deify walking snot.

stpaulbear Sep 9, 2015 • 7:52:33pm

They aren’t exactly Lynyrd Skynyrd, but they did come out of Georgia. I wonder if that puts them on the good side with some southerners? They’re probably more yoooge with 40-somethings than Trump.

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Amory Blaine Sep 9, 2015 • 7:55:04pm

Wikipedia down?

HappyWarrior Sep 9, 2015 • 7:55:23pm

re: #9 stpaulbear

They aren’t exactly Lynyrd Skynyrd, but they did come out of Georgia. I wonder if that puts them on the good side with some of teh southerns? They’re probably more yoooge with 40-somethings than Trump.

Not sure. The Dixie Chicks were Texans and you saw how much hate they got for a pretty tame comment especially considering what guys like Nugent later said about Obama.

William Lewis Sep 9, 2015 • 7:56:21pm

re: #10 Amory Blaine

Wikipedia down?

Working fine here.

TedStriker Sep 9, 2015 • 7:58:48pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Well I know who I’m listening to at work tomorrow, thanks REM.

Start now with my fave:

R.E.M. - Orange Crush (Video)

Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 9, 2015 • 7:59:24pm

As much as I loathe RIAA/BMI, I would be in their corner for them to ram through legislation that would by default prohibit all use of any music clip in any political/judicial broadcast without prior clearance under irrevocable penalty of $100,000 per violation AND occurance.

Enough. Musicians have been getting screwed, and when it comes to politics, the least MPAA/BMI do is shovel the funds they would normally keep for their greedy asses back to the artists who line their pockets. And it’s not like it’s yearly thing either, for fuck’s sake. If the RIAA/BMI can’t afford that, then they got some real ass problems.

Amory Blaine Sep 9, 2015 • 8:02:13pm

The disconnect it takes to go “Fuck the poor, and here’s some Neil Young!”

goddamnedfrank Sep 9, 2015 • 8:02:53pm

re: #9 stpaulbear

They aren’t exactly Lynyrd Skynyrd, but they did come out of Georgia. I wonder if that puts them on the good side with some southerners? They’re probably more yoooge with 40-somethings than Trump.

[edited to remove something stupid]

They’re big in Athens, but probably seen as effete college rockers outside of it. It also doesn’t help them much in the Southern market that Stipe identifies as queer. I don’t think there’s a lot of overlap between REM fans and Trump voters. As far as his supporters are concerned he just picked a catchy song with a clever hook, and the band itself can fuck off.

Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 9, 2015 • 8:03:35pm

re: #5 Eigth Immortal

Ted should give a shit. Other, OTOH, do.

Amory Blaine Sep 9, 2015 • 8:03:48pm

re: #10 Amory Blaine

Back up. Thanks William.

Belafon Sep 9, 2015 • 8:04:39pm

Not being from Georgia (from West Texas) that was the second REM song I heard. The first was “The One I Love”:

R.E.M. - The One I Love

HappyWarrior Sep 9, 2015 • 8:05:05pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

They’re big in Athens, but probably seen as effete college rockers outside of it. It also doesn’t help them much in the Southern market help that Stipe identifies as queer. I don’t think there’s a lot of overlap between REM fans and Trump voters. As far as his supporters are concerned he just picked a catchy song with a clever hook, and the band itself can fuck off.

Sounds about right. Athens is UGA I believe and much more liberal than the rest of the state. I think the B52s are based out of there too.

HappyWarrior Sep 9, 2015 • 8:05:23pm

re: #13 TedStriker

Start now with my fave:

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Thanks man.

jaunte Sep 9, 2015 • 8:06:23pm

re: #15 Amory Blaine

The disconnect it takes to go “Fuck the poor, and here’s some Neil Young!”

The only lyrics they hear are “keep on rockin’ in the free world” without reading or listening to the rest. Similar reaction to “Born in the USA.”

HappyWarrior Sep 9, 2015 • 8:07:57pm

re: #15 Amory Blaine

The disconnect it takes to go “Fuck the poor, and here’s some Neil Young!”

No kidding but then again Glenn Beck earlier today was using MLK’s name to invoke opposition to a peace deal.

TedStriker Sep 9, 2015 • 8:09:00pm

re: #9 stpaulbear

They aren’t exactly Lynyrd Skynyrd, but they did come out of Georgia. I wonder if that puts them on the good side with some southerners? They’re probably more yoooge with 40-somethings than Trump.

[edited to remove something stupid]

Expect Trump to punctuate his “reply” with digs at Stipe’s gay/bi-ness.

Side note: Alton Brown (yes, he of Good Eats, Iron Chef America, and Cutthroat Kitchen fame) graduated from the University of Georgia in Athens with a film degree and was the director of photography on the video for R.E.M.’s breakout hit, “The One I Love” (see Belafon’s post above).

HappyWarrior Sep 9, 2015 • 8:09:13pm

re: #22 jaunte

The only lyrics they hear are “keep on rockin’ in the free world” without reading or listening to the rest. Similar reaction to “Born in the USA.”

That’s still my favorite example of a campaign messing up with music. I like to imagine Reagan himself heard the chorus and insisted on it.

Bill and Opus for 2016! Sep 9, 2015 • 8:17:23pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

They’re big in Athens, but probably seen as effete college rockers outside of it. It also doesn’t help them much in the Southern market that Stipe identifies as queer. I don’t think there’s a lot of overlap between REM fans and Trump voters. As far as his supporters are concerned he just picked a catchy song with a clever hook, and the band itself can fuck off.

It’s worth mentioning that the music scene from Athens - especially during the 80s & 90s was a talent-rich environment whose varied styles was a significant contrast to the “Southern Rock” archetype that many identify with the region.

To name just a few, R.E.M., The B-52s, Matthew Sweet and Bubba Sparxxx are nationally-known acts who either originated from, or gained notoriety while being based in Athens.

Reality Based Steve Sep 9, 2015 • 8:21:25pm

re: #22 jaunte

The only lyrics they hear are “keep on rockin’ in the free world” without reading or listening to the rest. Similar reaction to “Born in the USA.”

Sean Hannity uses (used? Haven’t had to listen to him for years), the song Independence Day by Martina Mcbride. If you just listen to the chorus, which is the only part he uses, it sounds like a patriotic song….

Let freedom ring, let the white dove sing
Let the whole world know that today is a day of reckoning
Let the weak be strong, let the right be wrong
Roll the stone away, let the guilty pay it’s Independence Day

But…. if you look at the whole lyrics, it’s about a woman who kills her abusive husband from the perspective of a small girl….

“Independence Day”

Well she seemed all right by dawns early light
Though she looked a little worried and weak
She tried to pretend he wasn’t drinkin’ again
But daddy left the proof on her cheek
And I was only eight years old that summer
And I always seemed to be in the way
So I took myself down to the fair in town
On Independence Day

Well word gets around in a small, small town
They said he was a dangerous man
But mama was proud and she stood her ground
She knew she was on the losin’ end
Some folks whispered and some folks talked
But everybody looked the other way
And when time ran out there was no one about
On Independence Day

Let freedom ring, let the white dove sing
Let the whole world know that today is a day of reckoning
Let the weak be strong, let the right be wrong
Roll the stone away, let the guilty pay it’s Independence Day

Well she lit up the sky that fourth of July
By the time that the firemen come
They just put out the flames, and took down some names
And sent me to the county home
Now I ain’t sayin’ it’s right or it’s wrong
But maybe it’s the only way
Talk about your revolution
It’s Independence Day

Let freedom ring, let the white dove sing
Let the whole world know that today is a day of reckoning
Let the weak be strong, let the right be wrong
Roll the stone away, let the guilty pay it’s Independence Day
Roll the stone away
It’s Independence day

Oh, and the video for it is pretty good…. and she’s got some pipes on her.

Martina McBride - Independence Day

RBS

#CampaignZero Sep 9, 2015 • 8:23:37pm

re: #24 TedStriker

Expect Trump to punctuate his “reply” with digs at Stipe’s gay/bi-ness.

Side note: Alton Brown (yes, he of Good Eats, Iron Chef America, and Cutthroat Kitchen fame) graduated from the University of Georgia in Athens with a film degree and was the director of photography on the video for R.E.M.’s breakout hit, “The One I Love” (see Belafon’s post above).

Did not know that!

REM is one of my favorite bands. Here’s my contribution

R.E.M. - Turn You Inside-Out (Official Video)

BeachDem Sep 9, 2015 • 8:26:22pm

Jackson Browne was one of the few who actually sued the Repulsive Republicans and won. (One more reason to love him—whoever it was who said they saw him in Cleveland last night, I am SOOOOO jealous.)

And on that note, I say goodnight, as I have to be up in five hours to fly out for a 12 day work project. I leave you with the ongoing lament of every Democratic musician (which apparently is the bulk of all musicians—Nugent, Kid Rock and the Loaf excepted, but I think I just proved my point.)

Melanie - Look What They’ve Done To My Song, Ma

Teukka Sep 9, 2015 • 8:26:43pm

re: #27 Reality Based Steve

That could imply so much, the lyrics of the song in that context :/

goddamnedfrank Sep 9, 2015 • 8:27:22pm

I still think Fall on Me is REM’s best song, and Life’s Rich Pageant remains my favorite album of theirs.

R.E.M. - Fall On Me

Jenner7 Sep 9, 2015 • 8:30:43pm

I like Nightswimming…

Video

William Lewis Sep 9, 2015 • 8:32:05pm

Always like their earliest stuff. But especially this song as “Eau Claire”, my hometown scans appropriately…

REM - (Don’t Go Back To) Rockville (live)

piratedan Sep 9, 2015 • 8:33:34pm

this is the one that turned me on to them…

R.E.M. - Radio Free Europe

CuriousLurker Sep 9, 2015 • 8:34:25pm

OT Drive-by: This should be more than enough to cause RWNJs on both sides of the Atlantic to panic and start seriously losing their shit.

Coming exodus

However, it is unclear if even this wide-ranging deal - which seems to have won the backing of key members Germany and France - will be able to remedy the crisis with EU President Donald Tusk on Tuesday warning that the refugee “exodus” could last for years to come.

“The wave of migration is not a one-time incident but the beginning of a real exodus, which only means that we will have to deal with this problem for many years to come,” Tusk said. […]

middleeasteye.net

EXODUS—they’re comingggggg—so begins EURABIAAAA!!11! They’re bringing their Sharia and North America is next. WTF didn’t you dhimmi idiots listen to us?? Have fun paying the jizya and you wimmins better stock up on headscarves. NOWHERE IS SAFE—HOLY WAR—NUKE THEM BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!

Or something along those lines. //

Jenner7 Sep 9, 2015 • 8:35:51pm

LOL: At Cheney event, conservadude utterly fails at trying to snatch banner from (much-smaller) Code Pink protestor. pic.twitter.com/iwaUC9jO8d

— ¡Gabe! Ortíz (@TUSK81) September 10, 2015

ha!

CuriousLurker Sep 9, 2015 • 8:37:02pm

re: #36 Jenner7

LOL, #FAIL!

jaunte Sep 9, 2015 • 8:37:20pm

Message to Republican candidates everywhere: The only songs you are safe to use at your events are ones written by Kid Rock.
— Russell Drew (@RussOnPolitics) September 10, 2015

Eclectic Cyborg Sep 9, 2015 • 8:37:59pm

Here’s one of my favorite recent REM songs.

REM - Leaving New York OFFICIAL VIDEO (HQ)

goddamnedfrank Sep 9, 2015 • 8:38:32pm

re: #36 Jenner7

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ha!

It’s a little scary how hard he tries though.

Reality Based Steve Sep 9, 2015 • 8:39:25pm

re: #35 CuriousLurker

OT Drive-by: This should be more than enough to cause RWNJs on both sides of the Atlantic to panic and start seriously losing their shit.

EXODUS—they’re comingggggg—so begins EURABIAAAA!!11! They’re bringing their Sharia and North America is next. WTF didn’t you dhimmi idiots listen to us?? Have fun paying the jizya and you wimmins better stock up on headscarves. NOWHERE IS SAFE—HOLY WAR—NUKE THEM BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!

Or something along those lines. //

I think you got the over-wrought, hyper-ventilating just right, but I’m not sure I saw the flecks of spittle on the corners of you lips. Try again. :)

RBS

Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 9, 2015 • 8:39:42pm

Looking for input….

A month and a half ago, I got whacked with a second bout of Meniere’s Disease.

My last bout was back in the late 1990’s, where the fullness burned out and I recovered most of my low-frequency hearing and no vertigo attacks.

This go-around, OTOH, hasn’t been so benign. I have had several vertigo attacks (one which required an ER admit), continuous fullness in the affected ear, and inconsistent hearing of the affected ear (sometimes speech better, sometimes it gets worse.)

I completed a 3-week course of intratympanic dexamethasone to see if it might make a difference. The first two weeks there was some pluses and minuses, but when I went in for the third week I went in with a full-blown vertigo attack during the treatment. After downing 10 mg Valium plus chewable meclizine and shielding my eyes, I was able to recover and fetch my car and return to normal activities.

With Meinere’s as long as the vertigo doesn’t resurface with sufficient frequency (which It didn’t the last go round) I should be able to just let the fullness burn out like the last go-round and I should be OK. OTOH, if the vertigo keeps popping up, my options get real narrow especially if there is any way to keep hearing since hearing and balance both share the same neurological pathways.

One of the options I’m exploring is a bone-conducting headset which bypasses the physical auditory pathway. At this point I’m holding off on going down this road unless my back is against the wall and I’m forced into the last resort treatments.

I love my music. And I’ll be a real pissed off dude if I lose my hearing.

De Kolta Chair Sep 9, 2015 • 8:41:39pm

Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 9, 2015 • 8:44:30pm

re: #36 Jenner7

talkingpointsmemo.com

Great White Snark Sep 9, 2015 • 8:44:52pm

re: #35 CuriousLurker

Hope ya see this!

Had that conversation at the office today, ‘cept I was pointing out how fast people become pariahs the moment they become refugees. Dehumanize them and cheat or skirt the costs and sometimes perhaps risks that come with accepting them.

Certain comparisons are obvious. So many of the things that are said about the M.E. refugees that ~~were~~ are said about Gypsies, Jews, Muslims, Mexicans are just excuses to pretend that’s not a person somehow. Yet a two celled unborn… GAH.

Gotta say I’m an advocate for us to lead on M.E. refugees. For a lot of reasons. happy to argue with anyone opposed. Among other things, we take in a bunch, help them like we have so many in the past (like Chinese after Tianenmen, Vietmanese etc) and guess what? Word gets back home. Our immigrants thrive, that puts the lie to the right wing baiting.

Jenner7 Sep 9, 2015 • 8:46:23pm

There have now been 11 shootings in 11 days along a busy stretch of Interstate 10 in Phoenix http://t.co/2tksCys4bH pic.twitter.com/8p8mXs29BM

— CNN (@CNN) September 10, 2015

#CampaignZero Sep 9, 2015 • 8:50:44pm

Night all. Thanks for the REM.

Great White Snark Sep 9, 2015 • 8:55:30pm

So summer is winding down, I’ll really miss it. For all the heat I love the summer. We had spent this one weekend down south, posted some photos then. I was looking for something when I ran across this that is the image I have in my mind for summer 2015. A really cool guy and his soap bubble show, a pier and some kids.

The summer of 2015

De Kolta Chair Sep 9, 2015 • 8:56:35pm

CNN headline: Donald Trump, Ted Cruz join forces on Iran

If Cruz and Trump were atomic bombs, which one would be “Little Boy” and which one would be “Fat Boy”?

piratedan Sep 9, 2015 • 8:57:26pm

re: #49 De Kolta Chair

they deserve their own designations, I propose “dipshit” and “asshole”.

Camacho DeezNuts 2016 Sep 9, 2015 • 8:57:30pm

re: #49 De Kolta Chair

CNN headline: Donald Trump, Ted Cruz join forces on Iran

If Cruz and Trump were atomic bombs, which one would be “Little Boy” and which one would be “Fat Boy”?

Yes.

TedStriker Sep 9, 2015 • 9:04:25pm

re: #38 jaunte

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Or Charlie Daniels (unfortunately).

How he went from “Uneasy Rider” to full metal wingnut still stumps me, though I guess I really shouldn’t have been surprised, given his support for conservatives in the past.

De Kolta Chair Sep 9, 2015 • 9:04:32pm

Lator gators. Just taking a well-earned break from the MST3K riff of this abysmally abysmal piece of junk:

Now, back to the non-action!

CuriousLurker Sep 9, 2015 • 9:06:13pm

re: #45 Great White Snark

I couldn’t agree with you more.

BTW, getting ready to email you in a couple of minutes.

piratedan Sep 9, 2015 • 9:06:18pm

re: #52 TedStriker

allegiance to the tribe dies hard, even for guys that would supposedly be allies based on their past behavior.

freetoken Sep 9, 2015 • 9:06:45pm

As I wrote the other day, I put my two G-Tech mobile drives on a large copper sheet, in order to be a heat sink. Well, the drives are still plenty warm and so is the copper sheet. It’s still 89F here and miserable. The iMac itself is running hot too, probably from all the video.

Only a couple of temp records fell around the county today. But it is very humid for San Diego. Some day I suppose this place will be even worse as sea temps climb upwards. I imagine in a couple of centuries not so many people will live here.

piratedan Sep 9, 2015 • 9:07:30pm

re: #53 De Kolta Chair

gawd that was a bad film…. pretty painful session for everyone. On another note, Joel Hodgeson’s facebook page is taking suggestions/requests for their turkey day marathon again this year.

FormerDirtDart Sep 9, 2015 • 9:07:38pm

re: #49 De Kolta Chair

CNN headline: Donald Trump, Ted Cruz join forces on Iran

If Cruz and Trump were atomic bombs, which one would be “Little Boy” and which one would be “Fat ~~Boy~~Man”?

They would both be “Thin Man”, an aborted Manhattan Project bomb program

TedStriker Sep 9, 2015 • 9:11:48pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

They would both be “Thin Man”, an aborted Manhattan Project bomb program

Nah, the “Thin Man” had class and brass:

Great White Snark Sep 9, 2015 • 9:14:30pm

re: #54 CuriousLurker

Okay I’m up for a while yet.

Dark_Falcon Sep 9, 2015 • 9:14:40pm

re: #5 Eigth Immortal

Has a Republican ever used a rock song without upsetting the musician? This keeps happening, but there’s Ted Nugent, they’ve used his music a few times, right?

Not that I mind, this is amusing. Mostly cause it’s not my music that’s being perverted.

Mitt Romney got Kid Rock’s permission to use “Born Free” before he actually used it.

Aunty Entity Dragon Sep 9, 2015 • 9:14:47pm

re: #59 TedStriker

Nah, the “Thin Man” had class and brass:

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The Thin Man had Asta the Terrier.

Eclectic Cyborg Sep 9, 2015 • 9:16:08pm

re: #46 Jenner7

Ugh, I’m having flashbacks to the 2002 Sniper spree.

KingKenrod Sep 9, 2015 • 9:16:13pm

re: #53 De Kolta Chair

Lator gators. Just taking a well-earned break from the MST3K riff of this abysmally abysmal piece of junk:

Embedded Image

Now, back to the non-action!

I love season 2 MST3K - lots of sleazy 60’s flicks, and this is one of my favorites. Lots of memorable host segments and songs too.

TedStriker Sep 9, 2015 • 9:16:13pm

re: #42 Eric The Fruit Bat

Looking for input….

A month and a half ago, I got whacked with a second bout of Meniere’s Disease.

My last bout was back in the late 1990’s, where the fullness burned out and I recovered most of my low-frequency hearing and no vertigo attacks.

This go-around, OTOH, hasn’t been so benign. I have had several vertigo attacks (one which required an ER admit), continuous fullness in the affected ear, and inconsistent hearing of the affected ear (sometimes speech better, sometimes it gets worse.)

I completed a 3-week course of intratympanic dexamethasone to see if it might make a difference. The first two weeks there was some pluses and minuses, but when I went in for the third week I went in with a full-blown vertigo attack during the treatment. After downing 10 mg Valium plus chewable meclizine and shielding my eyes, I was able to recover and fetch my car and return to normal activities.

With Meinere’s as long as the vertigo doesn’t resurface with sufficient frequency (which It didn’t the last go round) I should be able to just let the fullness burn out like the last go-round and I should be OK. OTOH, if the vertigo keeps popping up, my options get real narrow especially if there is any way to keep hearing since hearing and balance both share the same neurological pathways.

One of the options I’m exploring is a bone-conducting headset which bypasses the physical auditory pathway. At this point I’m holding off on going down this road unless my back is against the wall and I’m forced into the last resort treatments.

I love my music. And I’ll be a real pissed off dude if I lose my hearing.

I take it that surgery to put in a shunt (which is what Alan Shepard, who also suffered from Meniere’s disease that manifested itself after his Mercury flight, had to do to get back into the NASA flight rotation to be able to go to the moon on Apollo 14) is the last resort.

FormerDirtDart Sep 9, 2015 • 9:18:22pm

re: #59 TedStriker

Nah, the “Thin Man” had class and brass:

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Thin Man suffered from aerodynamic instabilities and a separate belief that the design would suffer predetonation, destroying itself before reaching critical mass (see Trump & Cruz)

TedStriker Sep 9, 2015 • 9:22:18pm

re: #66 FormerDirtDart

Thin Man suffered from aerodynamic instabilities and a separate belief that the design would suffer predetonation, destroying itself before reaching critical mass (see Trump & Cruz)

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Huh, didn’t know about that MP development.

Of course, it looks like a penis, which would also be a perfect comparison to Trump, Cruz, and most of the GOP field.

///

WhatEVs Sep 9, 2015 • 9:24:28pm

re: #56 freetoken

I’m gonna be in SD and LA in a couple of weeks. I’m really hoping it won’t be that hot (sooner for you guys who are living it!!). This northerner will melt like a Thin Mint in the rain. 85 is pretty hot for me.

Kragar Sep 9, 2015 • 9:25:03pm

BlueSpotinAL Sep 9, 2015 • 9:28:10pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Mitt Romney got Kid Rock’s permission to use “Born Free” before he actually used it.

Kid Rock and Confederate Flag

freetoken Sep 9, 2015 • 9:31:07pm

So, what’s worse than sitting indoors when it is 89F and 45%RH?

Having a skunk walk on by forcing me to close all my windows, while sitting indoors when it is 89F and 45%RH. That’s what’s worse.

freetoken Sep 9, 2015 • 9:31:53pm

re: #68 WhatEVs

September is the worst time of the year for SoCal, fwiw.

William Lewis Sep 9, 2015 • 9:34:46pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Mitt Romney got Kid Rock’s permission to use “Born Free” before he actually used it.

Appropriately bad song but I’ll give mittens credit for doing the right thing.

WhatEVs Sep 9, 2015 • 9:41:18pm

re: #72 freetoken

September is the worst time of the year for SoCal, fwiw.

Awesome. :-(

freetoken Sep 9, 2015 • 9:43:25pm

re: #74 WhatEVs

On the plus side, since it’s not tourist season you’ll get some of the better prices of the year for things like hotels and rental cars.

Dark_Falcon Sep 9, 2015 • 9:43:40pm

re: #70 BlueSpotinAL

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I’m aware of Kid Rock’s sometimes use of the Stars and Bars (even though like Mitt Romney he’s from Michigan) but it isn’t relevant to the question Eigth Immortal asked. All I was saying is that Romney used a song by a musician who does rock without the musician being upset.

Another, more famous, example was Arnold Schwarzenegger’s authorized use of Twisted Sister’s We’re Not Gonna Take It in his campaign to unseat Grey Davis and become governor of California.

Amory Blaine Sep 9, 2015 • 9:44:09pm

Scott Walker: U.S. should not take in more Syrian refugees

Gov. Scott Walker said Wednesday the United States should not take in additional Syrian war refugees who are fleeing to Europe, adopting a firm stance on the issue two days after declining to answer what he called a hypothetical question.

“No, we shouldn’t be taking on any more Syrian refugees right now,” the Republican presidential hopeful told reporters in Eau Claire, according to Wisconsin Public Radio.

“In the last year ,America has received almost 70,000 refugees of which nearly 2,000 are from Syria. We’ve spent something like $4 billion in humanitarian relief in terms of helping the situation in Syria.”

He made the comments after being criticized for not taking a position on what to do about the refugees because he is not currently the president.

“I’m not president today and I can’t be president today,” Walker told reporters Monday when asked by ABC News what he would to address the current refugee crisis if he were president. “Everybody wants to talk about hypotheticals; there is no such thing as a hypothetical.”

goddamnedfrank Sep 9, 2015 • 9:46:32pm

Explains a lot.

A newly surfaced report from a 1927 edition of the New York Times suggests Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump’s late father may have had a connection to the Ku Klux Klan.

A man named Fred Trump was among those arrested in a massive brawl between KKK members and police at a 1927 Memorial Day parade in New York City, according to a contemporaneous Times article surfaced Wednesday by the blog Boing Boing.

The Times article listed the arrestee’s address as 175-24 Devonshire Road in Jamaica Estates, Queens. Past local news reports noted that the Republican presidential frontrunner’s father (pictured above, third from the left) lived at that address. Donald Trump’s German immigrant grandfather, who anglicized his own name to Fred Trump, died nine years before the incident occurred.

The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. For instance: Donald Trump Was Once Sued By Justice Department For Not Renting To Blacks

Nyet Sep 9, 2015 • 9:46:50pm

So Jonah’s anti-Trump whine contains some interesting bits. E.g.:

If you want a really good sense of the damage Donald Trump is doing to conservatism, consider the fact that for the last five years no issue has united the Right more than opposition to Obamacare. Opposition to socialized medicine in general has been a core tenet of American conservatism from Day One. Yet, when Republicans were told that Donald Trump favors single-payer health care, support for single-payer health care jumped from 16 percent to 44 percent.

freetoken Sep 9, 2015 • 9:48:36pm

re: #79 Nyet

What is becoming so very obvious with American elections is the cult of personality.

Prospective voters will be flexible on a wide range of issues as long as their guy supports something.

freetoken Sep 9, 2015 • 9:49:38pm

re: #77 Amory Blaine

Walker really came off as out of touch with that “hypothetical” remark.

goddamnedfrank Sep 9, 2015 • 9:51:25pm

re: #79 Nyet

So Jonah’s anti-Trump whine contains some interesting bits. E.g.:

The opposition was to Obama, not the ACA per se. That’s why it always polled differently depending on what the pollster called it. Republicans oversold their hand and bought into the idea that the underlying issue was popular when it was all just an outgrowth of their party’s endemic racism.

WhatEVs Sep 9, 2015 • 9:53:27pm

re: #75 freetoken

On the plus side, since it’s not tourist season you’ll get some of the better prices of the year for things like hotels and rental cars.

Half is a business trip (SD). The other half is me doing weird Hollywood shit (tour stars homes, etc.) So only a few night in a hotel on my dime. The car was insanely cheap, though ($235 for the week). That explains why.

Nyet Sep 9, 2015 • 9:54:36pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, wasn’t Obamacare basically the Heritage F. plan originally?

Also, I suppose the wingnuts simply didn’t know what single payer is and figured that if Trump is for it, it must be great.

WhatEVs Sep 9, 2015 • 9:55:25pm

re: #77 Amory Blaine

Walker had to wait to find out what his opinion was supposed to be. The guy’s not a puppet, he’s a poorly programmed drone.

carey94tt Sep 9, 2015 • 9:55:51pm

Man…these republicans are the most depressing lot. I need some cheering up.

Somebody tell me there is absolutely no way one of these clowns could be running our country soon. *sigh*

This is the first election that I am thinking of moving to another country out of embarrassment.

No Depression Sep 9, 2015 • 9:56:27pm

re: #79 Nyet

So Jonah’s anti-Trump whine contains some interesting bits. E.g.:

Lol I wish Obamacare was the “socialized medicine” they talk so much about. Single-payer healthcare sure would be nice.

goddamnedfrank Sep 9, 2015 • 9:56:37pm

Surprising literally nobody, it turns out @realDonaldTrump’s Dad was a KluKKer. http://t.co/iGpHJRBmW6

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) September 10, 2015

teleskiguy Sep 9, 2015 • 9:57:34pm

Hey, an R.E.M. thread!

R.E.M. - Can’t Get There From Here

R.E.M. - Pop Song 89

R.E.M. - Drive

Amory Blaine Sep 9, 2015 • 9:57:37pm

re: #86 carey94tt

goddamnedfrank Sep 9, 2015 • 9:58:10pm

#KluKKservative ? @realDonaldTrump

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) September 10, 2015

WhatEVs Sep 9, 2015 • 9:59:54pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

The opposition was to Obama, not the ACA per se. That’s why it always polled differently depending on what the pollster called it. Republicans oversold their hand and bought into the idea that the underlying issue was popular when it was all just an outgrowth of their party’s endemic racism.

I think racism is the icing on the hate cake. The batter itself is a democrat was for it. With Hillary, misogynywill be the icing.

It’s that 25 years of RW brainwashing.

Nyet Sep 9, 2015 • 10:02:05pm

Here is that poll, apparently:

today.yougov.com

Nyet Sep 9, 2015 • 10:04:11pm

re: #93 Nyet

Analyzed by party affiliation:

huffingtonpost.com

Yet respondents’ reactions were decidedly different. Hearing that Trump supported a certain policy was enough to cause Democrats to reconsider ideas they’d otherwise support, and for Republicans to endorse positions they’d usually avoid.

goddamnedfrank Sep 9, 2015 • 10:07:52pm

It’s official, my new toy.

So not only was his Dad in the Klan, but in 1973 @realDonaldTrump was sued by the DOJ for refusing to rent to black people. #KluKKservative

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) September 10, 2015

Dark_Falcon Sep 9, 2015 • 10:14:48pm

Here’s a story that is likely to get buried but is still pretty important:

Exclusive: Russia building major military base near Ukrainian border

Russia has started to build a huge military base housing ammunition depots and barracks for several thousand soldiers near the Ukrainian border, a project that suggests the Kremlin is digging in for a prolonged stand-off with Kiev.

The base, when completed, will even have its own swimming pool, skating rink and barber shop, according to public documents. This week workmen were erecting a fence in a cornfield outside the village of Soloti to mark out the perimeter, and told a Reuters reporter to leave, accusing him of being an Ukrainian spy.

In almost the same spot there was a flurry of military activity in April last year that coincided with intense fighting across the Ukrainian frontier that lies about 25 km (15 miles) away. A squadron of Mi-24 attack helicopters was seen there at the time, as well as army tents and trucks.

SNIP

According to the procurement documents, the defense ministry plans to use the base to train soldiers on artillery and army air defense, as well as in driving tanks and armored personnel carriers.

The plan includes a site for studying the tactics of the U.S. Army, which was called a “likely enemy” in the document.

On top of that, the base will include a headquarters with a communications node, a dining room for 2,000 soldiers, a recreation center with the skating rink, sports complexes with a swimming pool, tennis and badminton courts, and a residential complex of more than 1,000 apartments.

The base is supposed to have space for 3,500 troops in nine barracks. So this is a pretty big facility.

William Lewis Sep 9, 2015 • 10:16:39pm

re: #77 Amory Blaine

Scott Walker: U.S. should not take in more Syrian refugees

So much for James 2:14-17, eh Scooter?

F*ing hypocrite.

goddamnedfrank Sep 9, 2015 • 10:16:53pm

The sad thing is that news that @realDonaldTrump’s Dad was a Klan member will only boost Trump's popularity w/ the GOP base. #KluKKservative

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) September 10, 2015

Great White Snark Sep 9, 2015 • 10:17:38pm

Happy cat. Half and half from a sterling silver bowl. Why? Pfft why not? pic.twitter.com/NFc25GbRY2

— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) September 10, 2015

Good night folks!

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teleskiguy Sep 9, 2015 • 10:20:20pm

“Weird Al” Yankovic - The Michael Stipe Interview

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Teukka Sep 9, 2015 • 10:21:59pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

It’s official, my new toy.

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Really O.O ?

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goddamnedfrank Sep 9, 2015 • 10:23:09pm

Remember when @realDonaldTrump said Megyn Kelly was on the rag and the GOP base said HAHAHA that’s GREAT? It’ll be ike that. #KluKKservative

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) September 10, 2015

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Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 9, 2015 • 10:27:25pm

re: #65 TedStriker

I have to check on that; it’s certainly not as damaging as it isn’t using an ototoxic substance but it does involve surgery to install the shunt. I don’t think it’s a ‘last resort’ surgery but it’s certainly without its risk.

Medtronic also has a device which allows for adjustment of the pressure of the endolymphonic sac, but (1) it ain’t cheap, (2) few ENTs actually use the device in the practice and (3) efficacy is very questionable to the point as to why did the FDA approve this device since it’s close to approaching placebo levels.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 9, 2015 • 10:28:24pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Why are you going after Trump for what his father did? His father’s time with the Klan was before Trump was even born.

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freetoken Sep 9, 2015 • 10:28:39pm

re: #83 WhatEVs

You can do better than that. Full size cars out of Enterprise in the Mission Valley part of San Diego are going for $166/wk. Shop around, you can save a lot by not renting at the airport.

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freetoken Sep 9, 2015 • 10:31:06pm

We’ve dropped a full 10F in the last hour, which is really noticeable. But then again, RH is up sharply too. Perhaps we will see some rain come morning.

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Single-handed sailor Sep 9, 2015 • 10:35:01pm

re: #106 freetoken

We’ve dropped a full 10F in the last hour, which is really noticeable. But then again, RH is up sharply too. Perhaps we will see some rain come morning.

We’ve dropped 1 degree in that time and humidity is up to a whopping 19%. Tomorrow is forecast to be 106F.

I’m so excited.//

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William Lewis Sep 9, 2015 • 10:44:52pm

We had 89 Degrees F and 93% humidity on Monday. I’ll take that 106 & 19% instead quite happily.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 9, 2015 • 10:50:15pm

re: #77 Amory Blaine

Imagine what more we could do if we weren’t close to $2T in debt because of the Bush wars…

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goddamnedfrank Sep 9, 2015 • 10:50:19pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

Why are you going after Trump for what his father did? His father’s time with the Klan was before Trump was even born.

LOL. Why are you defending a guy who has deep racist roots? His dad was a KluKKer, he refused to rent to blacks, he viciously attacked the Central Park Five even after they were exonerated, he’s maligning Mexican immigrants today. Don’t give me this academic sins of the father bullshit either, it is evidence that your party’s leading candidate for the Presidency was raised by a racists and never rejected that heritage.

Yes, because it’s how white privilege and institutional racism works, not simply through inherited wealth … @MikeFreddoso @realDonaldTrump

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) September 10, 2015

But too often through inherited attitudes, through a predisposition of who one tends to discriminate against. @MikeFreddoso @realDonaldTrump

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) September 10, 2015

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 9, 2015 • 10:53:34pm

If Al Sharpton was a landlord and refused to rent to white people. Now THAT would be wrong!

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Cheechako Sep 9, 2015 • 10:53:50pm

re: #108 William Lewis

We had 89 Degrees F and 93% humidity on Monday. I’ll take that 106 & 19% instead quite happily.

I’ll trade weather with you. My local forecast is for 2-6 inches of rain in the next 48 hours.

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Nyet Sep 9, 2015 • 11:03:36pm

re: #110 goddamnedfrank

Frankly though, it’s a big meh.

Although by the rules of the game, if they could dredge up Obama Sr.’s alleged views even though Obama Jr. basically never knew him, then mocking Trump for his father’s association with KKK is small stuff.

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freetoken Sep 9, 2015 • 11:25:49pm

MP3 Audio

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goddamnedfrank Sep 9, 2015 • 11:28:01pm

re: #113 Nyet

Frankly though, it’s a big meh.

Although by the rules of the game, if they could dredge up Obama Sr.’s alleged views even though Obama Jr. basically never knew him, then mocking Trump for his father’s association with KKK is small stuff.

Hell, if anything it will make Trump more popular within the GOP. The base will eat that shit up, since the Republicans are all but overtly a white nationalist party at this point.

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Nyet Sep 9, 2015 • 11:30:37pm

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

“At least he was no commie thug!”

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Teukka Sep 9, 2015 • 11:30:48pm

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

Hell, if anything it will make Trump more popular within the GOP. The base will eat that shit up, since the Republicans are all but overtly a white nationalist party at this point.

Why do I semi-expect some GOP rally further down the line being white robes and burning crosses? O.O

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 12:08:14am

re: #84 Nyet

Yeah, wasn’t Obamacare basically the Heritage F. plan originally?

Also, I suppose the wingnuts simply didn’t know what single payer is and figured that if Trump is for it, it must be great.

One single payer (you) on one side, and a multi-billion-dollar insurance provider on the other. What could better reflect the spirit of modern Free Enterprise?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 1:37:49am

re: #117 Teukka

Why do I semi-expect some GOP rally further down the line being white robes and burning crosses? O.O

I expect we will hear some more major GOP speakers explaining how belonging to the KKK does not necessarily make you a racist.

And we will hear some major news sites discussing that statement as if it had any serious merit.

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freetoken Sep 10, 2015 • 1:40:05am

MP3 Audio

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 1:42:24am

I am on my third morning cuppa coffee and the thread has gone onto the FT drip…

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Decatur Deb Sep 10, 2015 • 2:27:46am

re: #113 Nyet

Frankly though, it’s a big meh.

Although by the rules of the game, if they could dredge up Obama Sr.’s alleged views even though Obama Jr. basically never knew him, then mocking Trump for his father’s association with KKK is small stuff.

It would be irresponsible not to ask.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 2:47:22am

re: #113 Nyet

Frankly though, it’s a big meh.

Although by the rules of the game, if they could dredge up Obama Sr.’s alleged views even though Obama Jr. basically never knew him, then mocking Trump for his father’s association with KKK is small stuff.

It will be spun as “liberals just spreading hate”, “always playing the race card”, followed by “Democracts founded the KKK”….

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 3:09:35am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It will be spun as “liberals just spreading hate”, “always playing the race card”, followed by “Democracts founded the KKK”….

“Byrd” is the word.

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William Lewis Sep 10, 2015 • 4:35:02am

Oh yeah! New member of genus Homo - H. Naledi announced today. Been following the Rising Star cave excavation but didn’t think that the species would be within Homo.

Paper is at elifesciences.org

Appears to be complete and free online though here at work I haven’t tried to read it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 4:38:31am

re: #125 William Lewis

Oh yeah! New member of genus Homo - H. Naledi announced today. Been following the Rising Star cave excavation but didn’t think that the species would be within Homo.

Paper is at elifesciences.org

Appears to be complete and free online though here at work I haven’t tried to read it.

Just as long as they don’t try to marry!

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 4:39:41am

re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

All the damned scientists do is bring us more Homos.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut Sep 10, 2015 • 4:41:15am

re: #3 Jenner7

Hannity and Trump are more like members of the Brotherhood of the Furrowed Brow.

I guess it makes them feel intellectual or something, hamming it up like that. Apparently, a posturing behavior they saw in a Hollywood movie at some point in their lives.

…Except when they open their mouths, to about 98% of the world’s population, they come off as nothing but total tools.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 4:44:40am

re: #128 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Hannity and Trump are more like members of the Brotherhood of the Furrowed Brow.

I guess it makes them feel intellectual or something, hamming it up like that. Apparently, a posturing behavior they saw in a Hollywood movie at some point in their lives.

…Except when they open their mouths, to about 98% of the world’s population, they come off as nothing but total tools.

as long as that remaining 2% is voting in the GOP primaries!

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Bird in the Paw Sep 10, 2015 • 4:52:17am

re: #112 Cheechako

I’ll trade weather with you. My local forecast is for 2-6 inches of rain in the next 48 hours.

I’ll take that offer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 5:09:24am

Good morning all.
Pouring down rain here, so maybe that will keep the Kim Davis protesters at home today.
Speaking of which, lookie at who else wants to get on the KD bandwagon:

Oath Keepers Offers Kim Davis Protection From Further Imprisonment by Judge

http://t.co/4wdMaKY3K4 pic.twitter.com/dt2JVK3TgG

— Tom (@III_Means_Free) September 10, 2015

so much drama…

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Shiplord Kirel Sep 10, 2015 • 5:14:04am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good morning all.
Pouring down rain here, so maybe that will keep the Kim Davis protesters at home today.
Speaking of which, lookie at who else wants to get on the KD bandwagon:

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so much drama…

So, just what is this oath these keepers intend to keep? It certainly wouldn’t be the one to the United States Constitution.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 5:19:26am

re: #132 Shiplord Kirel

So, just what is this oath these keepers intend to keep? It certainly wouldn’t be the one to the United States Constitution.

Really.
And exactly how will they protect her “from further imprisonment”?
Are they going to have an armed standoff with federal marshals at the courthouse?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 5:23:34am

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really.
And exactly how will they protect her “from further imprisonment”?
Are they going to have an armed standoff with federal marshals at the courthouse?

Red Dawn in Grayson County, KY

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A Mom Anon Sep 10, 2015 • 5:25:55am

re: #134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I seriously hope one of these fools doesn’t take a shot at the judge before this mess is resolved.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 5:26:13am

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really.
And exactly how will they protect her “from further imprisonment”?
Are they going to have an armed standoff with federal marshals at the courthouse?

They don’t need no stinkin’ badges!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 5:27:17am

re: #135 A Mom Anon

I seriously hope one of these fools doesn’t take a shot at the judge before this mess is resolved.

I’m hoping the judge is wearing a vest when he goes out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 5:28:05am

re: #137 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m hoping the judge is wearing a vest when he goes out.

at this point, they have nowhere to go but escalation and even more sensationalism

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Decatur Deb Sep 10, 2015 • 5:33:25am

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really.
And exactly how will they protect her “from further imprisonment”?
Are they going to have an armed standoff with federal marshals at the courthouse?

Oathkeepers had “leadership” problems at the Bundy Ranch. When they paniced and split, they lost a lot of ground with the SkoalRebel Liberation Front. Probably looking for a way to re-build cred.

splcenter.org

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Shiplord Kirel Sep 10, 2015 • 5:33:31am

There is much more to this than a superstitious and doctrinally suspect adherence to Old Testament law. Homophobia is the entire basis of society in much of hinterland America, the glue that holds the system together. I wrote about this a couple of years ago:

The acceptance of homosexuality in the military is literally the end of the world for many on the right, since it undermines the whole power and control structure of their culture, especially the ability to control and manipulate the young. When I was a teenager in rural California, you were suspected of that ultimate crime, being a fag, if you:

-Refused to sacrifice your body and your spare time for the benefit of the local high school football team.
-Thought science and art might be a better bet than manual labor for improving your family’s financial status.
-Tended to speak out against brutish coaches and abusive bosses.
-Thought a VW bug was a more rational choice than a muscle car or a pickup.
-Refused to adopt the approved standards of grooming and dress.
-Questioned the historical authenticity of certain religious claims.

There are many more. Homophobia is so important because it is a primary weapon against non-conformity.

FREEDOM FOR GAYS IS FREEDOM FOR EVERYONE.

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BeachDem Sep 10, 2015 • 5:34:18am

First time using my new phone to comment. Lots of time to practice. Three hour layover. Hear okeefe has a new nothing burger to xome about hillary in nevada. Sigh.

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aagcobb Sep 10, 2015 • 5:35:47am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good morning all.
Pouring down rain here, so maybe that will keep the Kim Davis protesters at home today.
Speaking of which, lookie at who else wants to get on the KD bandwagon:

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so much drama…

It would be really nice if Kim would just announce that since her name isn’t going on the licenses she respects the fact that her deputy clerks are simply complying with a court order and she’ll pursue her appeal rather than putting them into a situation that could result in unemployment or jail. That would be the responsible, decent thing to do. We’ll have to wait until whenever she decides to make an appearance in her office to know if she has any decency.

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Decatur Deb Sep 10, 2015 • 5:40:42am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Oathkeepers had “leadership” problems at the Bundy Ranch. When they paniced and split, they lost a lot of ground with the SkoalRebel Liberation Front. Probably looking for a way to re-build cred.

splcenter.org

Edited for link.

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lawhawk Sep 10, 2015 • 5:43:15am

The absolute last person who should be talking about looks of others is @realDonaldTrump and yet he's yapping about Carly Fiorina?
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) September 10, 2015

There's plenty awful things to say about how @CarlyFiorina destroyed HP with bad biz deals without talking looks @realDonaldTrump

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) September 10, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 5:50:09am

Now KD is the new Mandela.

arrrrggg

@burberryant @hi_hat_truth @Salon 

If #KimDavis is not like Rosa Parks you have to admit she's the closest thing to Mandela. #NeverForget

— Tea Party Man (@TeaPartyOne1) September 10, 2015

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 5:50:17am

re: #125 William Lewis

Oh yeah! New member of genus Homo - H. Naledi announced today. Been following the Rising Star cave excavation but didn’t think that the species would be within Homo.

Paper is at elifesciences.org

Appears to be complete and free online though here at work I haven’t tried to read it.

Very cool. I lived for a year in Pretoria, which is in Gauteng province where the fossils were found.

They’ve collected 1550 specimens, including these hands in complete articulation. That’s a rare find.

Homo naledi hands

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ObserverArt Sep 10, 2015 • 5:51:48am

Morning,

So Hillary is officially campaigning now. Today she will be here in Columbus for what is called the “Women for Hillary Grassroots Organizing Meeting,” where she will address issues concerning women and families, “including equal pay, paid leave, fair scheduling, child care, and reproductive rights,” according to her campaign.

Doors are now open…gig starts at 9:45. She also goes to Cincinnati for a fund raiser later today.

This is her first stop in Ohio for this campaign. If this election is like the last three or four, she will be back in this state many times. At the end of the 2012 run, Obama and Romney were practically living her.

A lot of people consider Ohio flyover country. For some reason presidential candidates seem to want to stop in and say hello!

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A Mom Anon Sep 10, 2015 • 5:52:51am

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

That’s quite true here in the South too. My son has hair almost to his waist at the moment, but he’s worn his hair long since about 5th grade. The amount of shit he’s taken for that is astounding. I give him props for not bowing to pressure to cut it. His employer doesn’t care as long as he keeps it in a ponytail. But his male peers have been real jerks, with the exception of one obvious group: metal musicians and their fans. All through school he caught shit for being “a fag”, “so fucking gay” etc etc. Over his hair. He’s not really stereotypically “gay” but for the hair and his lack of giving a shit about sports. Which around here can be a death sentence to your social life. I don’t get it. It’s so weird to me that the guys who are the most scared of being even mildly perceived as gay spend an inordinate amount of time working to impress other guys and not really give a shit what women think of them or care how they treat women. Seems kinda, well, you know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 5:53:50am

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

There is much more to this than a superstitious and doctrinally suspect adherence to Old Testament law. Homophobia is the entire basis of society in much of hinterland America, the glue that holds the system together. I wrote about this a couple of years ago:

I fell into those categories. I was certainly interested in girls, just not stupid, superficial ones (in other words, the young man’s ideal), and was massively socially inept. And I did not care much for sports or muscle cars, was interested in art and music and tended to hang out with other social outcasts, many of whom later came out as gay.

Funny, cause one of the reasons I hung out with one of those guys in high school is because the chicks were just crazy about him and I thought I might be able to snatch some of the rejects…

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 5:58:24am

Employees say Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis is not in the office this morning. pic.twitter.com/LRfotq1bqa

— Megan Moore (@MeganMooreNBC) September 10, 2015

Her lawyers say she’ll be back in the office on Monday.

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aagcobb Sep 10, 2015 • 5:58:36am

re: #147 ObserverArt

Morning,

So Hillary is officially campaigning now. Today she will be here in Columbus for what is called the “Women for Hillary Grassroots Organizing Meeting,” where she will address issues concerning women and families, “including equal pay, paid leave, fair scheduling, child care, and reproductive rights,” according to her campaign.

Doors are now open…gig starts at 9:45. She also goes to Cincinnati for a fund raiser later today.

This is her first stop in Ohio for this campaign. If this election is like the last three or four, she will be back in this state many times. At the end of the 2012 run, Obama and Romney were practically living her.

A lot of people consider Ohio flyover country. For some reason presidential candidates seem to want to stop in and say hello!

Just think of all the campaign commercials you’ll get to watch!

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 5:59:08am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

According to satirical accounts, yes.

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aagcobb Sep 10, 2015 • 5:59:33am

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Her lawyers say she’ll be back in the office on Monday.

Monday could be interesting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 5:59:35am

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Her lawyers say she’ll be back in the office on Monday.

Typical lazy government freeloader…

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William Lewis Sep 10, 2015 • 5:59:50am

re: #146 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Very cool. I lived for a year in Pretoria, which is in Gauteng province where the fossils were found.

They’ve collected 1550 specimens, including these hands in complete articulation. That’s a rare find.

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Those hands are a big deal. From a brief glance at the papers, I think they’re what tipped this species into Homo rather than Australopithecus.

Oh, and if you’re into such things, both core papers are available FREE & IN FULL on the web at the elife website. That’s a shot across Nature’s bow ($20 for the last one I got from them.)

elifesciences.org

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 6:01:07am

re: #148 A Mom Anon

That’s quite true here in the South too. My son has hair almost to his waist at the moment, but he’s worn his hair long since about 5th grade. The amount of shit he’s taken for that is astounding. I give him props for not bowing to pressure to cut it. His employer doesn’t care as long as he keeps it in a ponytail. But his male peers have been real jerks, with the exception of one obvious group: metal musicians and their fans. All through school he caught shit for being “a fag”, “so fucking gay” etc etc. Over his hair. He’s not really stereotypically “gay” but for the hair and his lack of giving a shit about sports. Which around here can be a death sentence to your social life. I don’t get it. It’s so weird to me that the guys who are the most scared of being even mildly perceived as gay spend an inordinate amount of time working to impress other guys and not really give a shit what women think of them or care how they treat women. Seems kinda, well, you know.

Camouflage behavior, like those virulently anti-gay preachers and politicians who are eventually caught with a “rentboy” or a hookup in the men’s room.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 6:02:25am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Typical lazy government freeloader…

Funny how none of the usual anti-government freaks are at all concerned she’s a public employee shirking her duty.

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BeachDem Sep 10, 2015 • 6:03:21am

re: #147 ObserverArt

Damn. I’m on my way to Cincinnati right now! Probably couldn’t afford the fundraiser anyway. All HillaryHillary folks are on high alert now for the latest O’Keefe crap to come. My Hillary kid was impressed that I warned her two weeks before the campaign did!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:04:46am

re: #156 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Camouflage behavior, like those virulently anti-gay preachers and politicians who are eventually caught with a “rentboy” or a hookup in the men’s room.

“the lady doth protest too much”

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:05:43am

re: #158 BeachDem

Damn. I’m on my way to Cincinnati right now!

my deepest condolences

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 6:05:57am

Ted Cruz Supports Constitutional Amendment Banning Birth Control #tcot #UniteBlue http://t.co/Kk7NNH92H8 pic.twitter.com/y6vpRPGrdA

— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) September 10, 2015

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 6:08:57am

re: #155 William Lewis

Those hands are a big deal. From a brief glance at the papers, I think they’re what tipped this species into Homo rather than Australopithecus.

Oh, and if you’re into such things, both core papers are available FREE & IN FULL on the web at the elife website. That’s a shot across Nature’s bow ($20 for the last one I got from them.)

elifesciences.org

I scanned that part, because the morphological details mean nothing to someone with no detailed anatomical training, but basically the cranial size and dentition, plus other features of the skull, indicate the specimens are closer in form to Homo than to earlier species like Australopithecus afarensis. The hands share features of both hominid species, but are closer to early Homo. Probably small in stature like Australopiths, like under 5 feet tall.

They have not yet determined the age of the specimens. That’ll be interesting.

One wonders whether Ken Ham or the Discovery Mis-institute will have any comment on these Satan-planted false flags.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:10:14am

From my Foreign Policy email digest this am:

The stories we tell ourselves. But McCain’s assessment might be a little closer to the truth than some are comfortable with. There are deeply troubling rumblings from a group of U.S. Central Command (Centcom) intel analysts that their analysis of the fight have been repeatedly altered to make the Islamic State appear weaker than they actually reported. The Daily Beast dropped a story Wednesday night which says as many as 50 analysts have complained that their work has been altered by commanders and higher-ups in ways that distort their original meaning.

Specifically, a pair of senior analysts have reportedly sent a complaint to the Defense Department Inspector General alleging their reports “were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria.” If true, the charges could be the first big leadership challenge for Defense Secretary Ash Carter, who hasn’t had to deal with some of these thorny leadership issues yet in his six-month leadership tenure.

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 6:10:39am

re: #162 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ken Ham will say it’s either an ape or a human.
Discovery is not against common ancestry per se.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:13:08am

Pay to play
The future is in lasers! LaserMax, a Rochester, N.Y.-based company that designs and manufactures laser sights for handguns and rifles, has hired former New York Senator Alfonse D’Amato to lobby Congress on its behalf in the upcoming debates over the 2016 and 2017 defense budgets, according to new lobbying registration documents.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 6:13:39am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

That’s just plain ridiculous. He’s pandering again.

Ted would probably blow a gasket here in China, where the condoms are displayed by the checkout lanes (at least near my university), not under lock and key. Heck, the primary school students from across the street can see them right next to the candy.

BC for women is at the pharmacy, though.

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 6:14:47am

re: #166 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ted would probably blow a gasket here in China, where the condoms are displayed by the checkout lanes (at least near my university), not under lock and key.

Why would he blow a gasket if he’s not against condoms?

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 6:16:00am

re: #166 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That’s just plain ridiculous. He’s pandering again.

Ted would probably blow a gasket here in China, where the condoms are displayed by the checkout lanes (at least near my university), not under lock and key. Heck, the primary school students from across the street can see them right next to the candy.

BC for women is at the pharmacy, though.

Funny though, some wingnuts are proposing that BC should be sold OTC. That is not a good thing, what they really want is for it to not be covered by insurance which usually does not include OTC medications.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 6:16:04am

re: #167 Nyet

Why would he blow a gasket if he’s not against condoms?

Condoms are birth control, n’est-ce pas? See VB’s 161 littlegreenfootballs.com

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 6:16:48am

re: #169 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Condoms are birth control, n’est-ce pas?

Yes.

See VB’s 161 littlegreenfootballs.com

Nothing about condoms.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:17:06am

Chris Christie Believes That Harassing and Profiling Black and Latino Communities Keeps NYC Safe

Safe for whom and from what?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 6:17:54am

lol

"Probably I did say something like that about Carly. I'm talking about persona. I'm not talking about look." http://t.co/Zp4q57J4Li

— Sean Sullivan (@WaPoSean) September 10, 2015

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 6:18:11am

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

Funny though, some wingnuts are proposing that BC should be sold OTC. That is not a good thing, what they really want is for it to not be covered by insurance which usually does not include OTC medications.

Of course, which would make it harder for low-income women to buy BC. Part of the wingnut social agenda to punish the poor and benefit the better off.

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danarchy Sep 10, 2015 • 6:19:25am

re: #169 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Condoms are birth control, n’est-ce pas? See VB’s 161 littlegreenfootballs.com

If you read the article it says “some forms of birth control” ie. the ones they claim would destroy a fertilized egg, so not condoms.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:20:13am

re: #169 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Condoms are birth control, n’est-ce pas? See VB’s 161 littlegreenfootballs.com

One is chosen by women, the other by men …

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 6:21:53am

re: #170 Nyet

Yes.

Nothing about condoms.

You remind me of Heinlein’s judges in Stranger in the Stranger Land. They only attest to what they can physically sense. Ask them what color a building is, and they’ll say it’s red on this side.

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Great White Snark Sep 10, 2015 • 6:22:02am

Happy cat. Half and half from a sterling silver bowl. Why? Pfft why not? pic.twitter.com/NFc25GbRY2

— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) September 10, 2015

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:22:13am

The Kim Davis Debacle Reveals a Frightening Truth About a Desperate, Radicalized Christian Right

They don’t have the numbers anymore, so they are turning to scarier and more radical demands to seize power in any way that they can.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 6:22:50am

re: #174 danarchy

If you read the article it says “some forms of birth control” ie. the ones they claim would destroy a fertilized egg, so not condoms.

Ah, now I see Nyet’s point.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 6:23:40am

re: #173 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Of course, which would make it harder for low-income women to buy BC. Part of the wingnut social agenda to punish the poor and benefit the better off.

HURR HURR CONDOMS ARE CHEAP Y U POOR SLUTS WANT MY TAXPAYER MONEYS TO BUY UR EXPENSIVE OBAMACARE BIRTH CONTROL PILLS!!!!!1!!!!

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 6:24:30am

re: #176 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You remind me of Heinlein’s judges in Stranger in the Stranger Land. They only attest to what they can physically sense. Ask them what color a building is, and they’ll say it’s red on this side.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. You clearly didn’t read the article allowing yourself to be misled by a clickbait title.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:25:49am

Cop Writes Man a Ticket for Broken Windshield as He’s Getting it Fixed

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Bird in the Paw Sep 10, 2015 • 6:27:31am

re: #157 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Funny how none of the usual anti-government freaks are at all concerned she’s a public employee shirking her duty.

That means if she not doing her job she can’t be sucking at the public teat. Oh, wait, still getting paid. So confused again.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 6:27:55am

re: #181 Nyet

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. You clearly didn’t read the article allowing yourself to be misled by a clickbait title.

Yes, I admit to that. Keep in mind I’m behind the Great Firewall and clicking Twitter links gets me nowhere unless I’m using my VPN.

Still, my point of his pandering stands. Using the Constitution to legislate personal behavior was already tried once, and it was a miserable failure. A lawyer should know that.

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lawhawk Sep 10, 2015 • 6:28:22am

So, school’s back in session, which means it’s time for lockdown season to start:

#BREAKING: Hillsborough High School on lockdown in NJ
http://t.co/3shQTY7VMh

— Eyewitness News (@ABC7NY) September 10, 2015

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:29:46am

The namesake of your antivirus software plans to run for president. Self-described “eccentric millionaire” John McAfee filed his paperwork for candidacy in 2016, but he may be repping the currently non-existent “Cyber Party.” His reason for running? Governments are “out of touch with privacy concerns.”

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Bird in the Paw Sep 10, 2015 • 6:30:40am

re: #164 Nyet

Ken Ham will say it’s either an ape or a human.
Discovery is not against common ancestry per se.

But, DI are YECers so common ancestry is out the door and really isn’t part of the equation. Or, are you looking at this differently.

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 6:31:24am

re: #186 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Should name it the Pirate Party and he’s probably got the young libertarian vote.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:32:35am

Image Emerges of Rare Pink Dolphin "Pinky," Last Seen in 2007 by @ChrisRiotta http://t.co/hQpBek5FGs via @MicNews

— ggt (@geegeetee) September 10, 2015

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BeachDem Sep 10, 2015 • 6:32:52am

Haven’t figured out how to do links on my phone yet (baby steps) but do read Charles P. Pierce’s piece on the Planned Parenthood hearing. Good stuff.

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 6:33:31am

re: #187 Bird in the Paw

But, DI are YECers so common ancestry is out the door and really isn’t part of the equation. Or, are you looking at this differently.

DI are not YECers (a couple are). Behe is on record accepting common descent. To quote him (very slightly out of context):

Common descent and natural selection are very well-supported.

It’s not the ancestry as such that they’re against, it’s the mechanism. Their umbrella thesis is that it couldn’t have happened “randomly”.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:34:26am

re: #162 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I scanned that part, because the morphological details mean nothing to someone with no detailed anatomical training, but basically the cranial size and dentition, plus other features of the skull, indicate the specimens are closer in form to Homo than to earlier species like Australopithecus afarensis. The hands share features of both hominid species, but are closer to early Homo. Probably small in stature like Australopiths, like under 5 feet tall.

They have not yet determined the age of the specimens. That’ll be interesting.

One wonders whether Ken Ham or the Discovery Mis-institute will have any comment on these Satan-planted false flags.

I think it looks like a bi-pedal mammal. On this side that is pictured,.:)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 6:35:12am

re: #188 Nyet

Should name it the Pirate Party and he’s probably got the young libertarian vote.

McAfee was ~~nailed for tax evasion, IIRC.~~ Poor memory. He was a person of interest in a shooting in Belize.
miami.cbslocal.com

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:35:40am

re: #190 BeachDem

Haven’t figured out how to do links on my phone yet (baby steps) but do read Charles P. Pierce’s piece on the Planned Parenthood hearing. Good stuff.

Planned Parenthood Goes on Trial in Kangaroo Court

I’m afraid I’ll ruin my day if I read it.

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 6:36:37am

re: #193 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

McAfee was nailed for tax evasion, IIRC.

Purrrfect.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 6:40:25am

Here’s How Quickly Americans Spend Their Money — And What They Spend It On

IIRC, the whole world economy depends on American’s spending their money and making their mortgage payments on time.

neat little infographic that shows an ongoing totalling of spending that I can’t figure out how to put here.

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 6:42:16am

Which is not to say that DI officially accepts common descent. Rather, it is broadly compatible with their main design thesis. Individual DIers can still try to deny it. DI is an umbrella org that tries to make a watered down version of creationism acceptable. As such, they stay away from propagandizing specifically sectarian views like YECism (although being an umbrella org they also have several YECs among them). As long as you say that it couldn’t have happened naturally, they will like you.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 6:43:26am

re: #191 Nyet

DI are not YECers (a couple are). Behe is on record accepting common descent. To quote him (very slightly out of context):

It’s not the ancestry as such that they’re against, it’s the mechanism. Their umbrella thesis is that it couldn’t have happened “randomly”.

Right to some extent. Most of the DI types don’t publicly object to a very old Earth, but they do assume that a “designer” — whom most would associate with a Deity — made things so that everything works just right. By extension, they also assume this designer got the ball rolling by making living organisms from the primordial soup. Their argument is that “chance” could not explain something as complex as the eye, for example, even over millions or billions of years.

Intelligent Design is really just creationism with a fancy suit and a degree. Most IDists start from the premise there was a Creator, and then try to fit nature to their “theory.”

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Bird in the Paw Sep 10, 2015 • 6:43:32am

re: #191 Nyet

Yeah, yeah. Mixing them up with Creation Institute. In the absolutist sense. Oops

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Dark_Falcon Sep 10, 2015 • 6:44:46am

re: #194 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Planned Parenthood Goes on Trial in Kangaroo Court

I’m afraid I’ll ruin my day if I read it.

Yet another Esquire hit piece. Boring!

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BeachDem Sep 10, 2015 • 6:45:20am

re: #194 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Planned Parenthood Goes on Trial in Kangaroo Court

I’m afraid I’ll ruin my day if I read it.

Thanks for adding the link. I guess reading about a hearing with Gowdy, Issa, Farentholt, and the rest of the loons would tend to ruin a day but Pierce has some good observations and excellent snark.

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William Lewis Sep 10, 2015 • 6:46:15am

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

Yet another Esquire hit piece. Boring!

Remember that reaction when you’re tempted to give us a link to yet another National Racists Online article, m’kay?

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 10, 2015 • 6:46:17am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Knew it. Called it a few days ago.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 6:51:42am

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

Yet another Esquire hit piece. Boring!

Well considering your party won’t even let PP’s leaders defend themselves at the hearings, I think kangaroo court is a pretty apt description. Don’t hate on Esquire because the truth hurts.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 10, 2015 • 6:53:34am

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

What’s boring is your ask-no-questions defense of your party. You fake outrage at some things in an attempt feel like you belong here. But… You really don’t.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 6:53:48am

So keeping my word from last night, I’m listening to R.E.M this morning as I check QRs. You can really hear their influence on a lot of modern bands like The Decemberists. I remember liking the song that is the subject of this page as a kid because it was catchy.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 6:54:17am

re: #125 William Lewis

Oh yeah! New member of genus Homo - H. Naledi announced today. Been following the Rising Star cave excavation but didn’t think that the species would be within Homo.

Paper is at elifesciences.org

Appears to be complete and free online though here at work I haven’t tried to read it.

What a great find! Thank you for the link: the paper is refreshingly well written. Though I’m not an anthropologist I found it more readable than most scientific papers.

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BeachDem Sep 10, 2015 • 6:54:24am

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

Yet another Esquire hit piece. Boring!

A hit piece? How is it a hit piece?

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 6:55:40am

re: #208 BeachDem

A hit piece? How is it a bit piece?

Because it says mean things about his party.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 10, 2015 • 6:56:13am

HOW TO SILENCE IDIOTIC KIM DAVIS SUPPORTERS

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Dark_Falcon Sep 10, 2015 • 6:56:25am

re: #205 GlutenFreeJesus

And for that you can fuck right off.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 6:56:30am

Yeah I am feeling a little snappy this morning because I am tired of these primitive dinosaurs attacking an organization that does a lot of great things for women’s health throughout the country and making them out to be murderers.

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WhatEVs Sep 10, 2015 • 6:56:39am

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

Why are you going after Trump for what his father did? His father’s time with the Klan was before Trump was even born.

This isn’t just what his father did. It explains Trump’s own behavior. Some people can be raised on hate and not become their parents. Others, like Trump, follow the same path.

I think it’s definitely relevant.

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ObserverArt Sep 10, 2015 • 6:56:52am

re: #156 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Camouflage behavior, like those virulently anti-gay preachers and politicians who are eventually caught with a “rentboy” or a hookup in the men’s room.

I’ll buy the camouflage behavior for a guy that might be gay and in denial. However, for the type of guys Mom Anon is talking about I think it is just a show of how much a “man” they are so there is no hint or doubt they are gay. They seem to need to always display their manliness. If there is not enough display people (their buddies) may begin to talk…and no young manly man can have that.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 10, 2015 • 6:57:54am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Yeah. Truth hurts sometimes. Don’t worry. You can write in Marco Rubio next year.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 6:57:55am

re: #213 WhatEVs

This isn’t just what his father did. It explains Trump’s own behavior. Some people can be raised on hate and not become their parents. Others, like Trump, follow the same path.

I think it’s definitely relevant.

Wait Papa Trump was in the KKK? Wow. And yeah I do tend to agree with you. Trump’s attitudes towards Latino immigrants are just like the KKK’s were in the 20’s towards Slavic, Jewish, Italian, and other non WASP immigrants.

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 6:58:31am

re: #208 BeachDem

He means it’s in the top 10 Esquire articles, a real hit. Right, Dark?///

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:00:35am

Don't worry ladies, 22 GOP men will be asking questions and making statements about #PlannedParenthood. They got this.
— MATTY ICE (@MattyIceAZ) September 10, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:01:24am

#KimDavis reminds us that there's no such thing as #Christian persecution in the United States pic.twitter.com/VgnTkQ2gqu

— Tay (@SensiblySecular) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:01:34am

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh that’s a relief.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:01:48am

re: #214 ObserverArt

I’ll buy the camouflage behavior for a guy that might be gay and in denial. However, for the type of guys Mom Anon is talking about I think it is just a show of how much a “man” they are so there is no hint or doubt they are gay. They seem to need to always display their manliness. If there is not enough display people (their buddies) may begin to talk…and no young manly man can have that.

Oh, there is that, too. Like a big, muscular fellow who is really good at math and science, but acts dumb in class so his mates don’t call him a brainiac. It applies to the other gender, too. Some teenage girls don’t want to act too smart, because it might discourage boys from asking them out.

I taught high school.

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WhatEVs Sep 10, 2015 • 7:02:00am

re: #173 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Of course, which would make it harder for low-income women to buy BC. Part of the wingnut social agenda to punish the poor and benefit the better off.

Not just punish the poor, but make sure to keep them poor. Kids are expensive. When you’re struggling to survive, another mouth to feed pushes you further into poverty.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:02:11am

Queen Elizabeth II Is the Ultimate Queen of IDGAF Style

One of the pictures is captioned “Queen Elizabeth and her husband at the … “

Honestly, I take a bit of offense at that. Her husband has a name. I feel no differently about this that if the genders were reversed.

Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

He was present in Tokyo Bay when the instrument of Japanese surrender was signed.

…
Philip was not crowned in the service, but knelt before Elizabeth, with her hands enclosing his, and swore to be her “liege man of life and limb”.[49] (swoon)

…
The inhabitants of some villages on the island of Tanna, Vanuatu also worship Prince Philip as a god; the islanders possess portraits of the Duke and hold feasts on his birthday.[109]

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:02:38am

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No kidding. If there really was mass persecution against Christians in this country that any way resembled what the Nazis did to the Jews as Huckabee and these other assholes are so fond of saying, Huckabee wouldn’t have been allowed to do his pathetic campaign event.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:03:11am

re: #201 BeachDem

Thanks for adding the link. I guess reading about a hearing with Gowdy, Issa, Farentholt, and the rest of the loons would tend to ruin a day but Pierce has some good observations and excellent snark.

I get very worked up over this topic. Sometimes It is best to just let it go.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:03:55am

re: #222 WhatEVs

Not just punish the poor, but make sure to keep them poor. Kids are expensive. When you’re struggling to survive, another mouth to feed pushes you further into poverty.

And then moralists can claim the poor created their own problems by being too horny.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:03:59am

re: #222 WhatEVs

Not just punish the poor, but make sure to keep them poor. Kids are expensive. When you’re struggling to survive, another mouth to feed pushes you further into poverty.

I’m really wondering if they are consciously trying to create a slave class… .

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:04:54am

re: #225 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I get very worked up over this topic. Sometimes It is best to just let it go.

It’s okay. It’s an issue that directly effects you and the other women here and throughout the country. I feel the same about vaccines since the anti vax nutcases are constantly using my neurological condition as a reason to shit on the vaccines that have saved millions of lives and also immigration due to my extended family’s status.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 7:05:20am

re: #227 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I’m really wondering if they are consciously trying to create a slave class… .

They want to prove a central tenet of their perverted faith, namely that wealth is an outward sign of moral superiority.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:05:41am

re: #223 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I think there was some concerns about Philip not being English, and that’s why he was not given the title of King or King Consort.

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Romantic Heretic Sep 10, 2015 • 7:05:51am

re: #80 freetoken

What is becoming so very obvious with American elections is the cult of personality.

Prospective voters will be flexible on a wide range of issues as long as their guy supports something.

It’s easier than thinking.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 10, 2015 • 7:05:52am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

Actually. We would have never even heard the name “Mike Huckabee” to begin with.

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 7:05:53am

re: #213 WhatEVs

It could be relevant as a start for further research. It’s something that happened about 20 years before his birth so it doesn’t tell us what views his father held at the same time he was raising his son. Granted, the probability that he remained viciously racist is good from what we know about fellow humans. But a leap is a leap, even if not particularly great one.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 10, 2015 • 7:06:19am

re: #227 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I’m really wondering if they are consciously trying to create a slave class… .

No, it’s moralism uncoupled to rational thought.

BBT, depending on how late I have to work.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:06:55am

What amazes me is just how reactionary things have gotten. I read wikipedia in my sparetime. Yeah laugh away but anyhow George H.W Bush as a Congressman was a strong supporter of birth control. This was in the late 60’s………… It really seems to me that especially since Obama’s election, the GOP has grown reactionary. Like all their candidates are arguably to the right of not just Ford but also Reagan on choice and and LGBT issues.

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WhatEVs Sep 10, 2015 • 7:07:09am

re: #178 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

The Kim Davis Debacle Reveals a Frightening Truth About a Desperate, Radicalized Christian Right

The money quote:

Still, this isn’t just talk. The Republicans are still beholden to the religious right in many ways. The fact that so many Republican candidates were afraid to defend the rule of law and denounce Davis for her actions is a troubling symptom of this. The Christian right may not be up to armed revolution, but they are increasingly demanding that Republicans turn their backs on the basic rules of democracy to cater to a theocratic minority. That Republicans are listening is a danger to us all.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 10, 2015 • 7:07:19am

re: #80 freetoken

What is becoming so very obvious with American elections is the cult of personality.

Prospective voters will be flexible on a wide range of issues as long as their guy supports something.

We even see that here. With certain someones.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:07:40am

82 Year-Old Vet Demands His Name Be Cleared After 1955 Dishonorable Discharge For Being … - http://t.co/iw8kTXfxsp pic.twitter.com/CSCurnB6GI

— JoeMyGod (@JoeMyGod) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:07:45am

re: #232 GlutenFreeJesus

Actually. We would have never even heard the name “Mike Huckabee” to begin with.

Well we would have known him from his 2008 run for president but absolutely. And in a truly dictatorial society, Kim Davis doesn’t get out just like that.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 7:07:55am

re: #222 WhatEVs

Not just punish the poor, but make sure to keep them poor. Kids are expensive. When you’re struggling to survive, another mouth to feed pushes you further into poverty.

This meme==>
(I added the “Don’t expect any help paying for your Birth Control, sluts!”)

#RightWingLogic Stop having so many babies but no birth control for u! #tcot #UniteBlue #StandwithPP pic.twitter.com/LUL9ABoPZJ

— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:08:41am

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If I were President, I’d pardon all those dishonorably discharged for being gay. I hope this man succeeds.

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BeachDem Sep 10, 2015 • 7:08:51am

In airport hell with CNN doing their nonstop Trump coverage. Sigh. They are just days away from a regular “Trump took a dump” feature. BREAKING!

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:09:33am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

You might be interested in checking this in preparation for when they call you for the interview (which will be soon, I hope!)

November #SCOTUS argument calendar released http://t.co/jx32ZL0bWL

— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:09:39am

re: #240 The Vicious Babushka

This meme==>
(I added the “Don’t expect any help paying for your Birth Control, sluts!”)

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That gets at my number one problem with anti-choicers. They claim to cherish life but they oppose helping poor and unwed mothers out. If they were truly “pro life” as they claim, they would support welfare programs instead of demonizing those on welfare.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:10:33am

re: #233 Nyet

It could be relevant as a start for further research. It’s something that happened about 20 years before his birth so it doesn’t tell us what views his father held at the same time he was raising his son. Granted, the probability that he remained viciously racist is good from what we know about fellow humans. But a leap is a leap, even if not particularly great one.

Anecdote from my youth. In grade school, there was a boy we sometimes called the Nazi, partly because of his German surname but also because of his father’s well known RW proclivities. I was never friends with this kid — far from it — but we were neighbors. He was a bully, and not especially smart. As he grew up, he became much like his old man, especially politically. Both father and son would have been good candidates for the KKK.

When I see Trumpf, I’m reminded of this kid.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:10:42am

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

You might be interested in checking this in preparation for when they call you for the interview (which will be soon, I hope!)

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Thanks. They haven’t gotten back to me yet. I am just glad to be working again though anyhow. It’s not exciting work by any means but I can and in fact was encouraged to work with my headphones on, got a nice gym on site, and the pay is good.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:11:18am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Well considering your party won’t even let PP’s leaders defend themselves at the hearings, I think kangaroo court is a pretty apt description. Don’t hate on Esquire because the truth hurts.

Though they can run a hearing any way they want to, the conservatives do remind us endlessly that they’re the keepers of the flame regarding Real America. What could be less in keeping with American tradition than denying the accused the right to face those giving evidence against them?

Trey Gowdy and the rest of the simpletons carrying out this farce don’t want a hearing, they want a railroad job. Lamentably, they are so inept that even with complete control of the proceedings they can’t accomplish that if Planned Parenthood is allowed to testify.

If they were capable villains I would have some grudging respect for them. This lot is so diminished in capacity that they set flaming bags of dog shit on their own porches and then pat themselves on the back when they stomp out the fire.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:12:05am

‘Separatist’

If you listen to Kynan Dutton, an Iraq war veteran living in rural North Dakota with his partner, Deborah Henderson, and five young children, he will tell you they’re a normal family who just want to live with their own kind — in this case, other white people.

We first met Mr. Dutton in 2013, after he moved his family from Oregon to Leith, N.D., heeding a call from another white supremacist named Paul Craig Cobb to create a voting majority there and take over the local government. Leith’s relative proximity to the Bakken oil fields was enticing for low-income families like Mr. Dutton’s seeking lucrative blue-collar work. We quickly realized an important story about race, extremism and civil liberties was playing out amid a huge oil boom in what was all but a ghost town in the heart of the American prairie. It felt like a real-life western.

We were fascinated by why a seemingly ordinary working-class couple would be so drawn to extremism. The explanations they gave us centered on a sense of alienation about the country’s shifting demographics. As the white population has steadily decreased in the United States in recent decades, white supremacists have been mobilizing against what they perceive as a threat of multiculturalism. Though numbers have decreased by one-fifth since 2013, there are about 670 active white supremacist groups in the United States, buoyed by a strong community online.

video at link

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:12:43am

re: #247 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Though they can run a hearing any way they want to, the conservatives do remind us endlessly that they’re the keepers of the flame regarding Real America. What could be less in keeping with American tradition than denying the accused the right to face those giving evidence against them?

Trey Gowdy and the rest of the simpletons carrying out this farce don’t want a hearing, they want a railroad job. Lamentably, they are so inept that even with complete control of the proceedings they can’t accomplish that if Planned Parenthood is allowed to testify.

If they were capable villains I would have some grudging respect for them. This lot is so diminished in capacity that they set flaming bags of dog shit on their own porches and then pat themselves on the back when they stomp out the fire.

Which is why calling it a kangaroo court is apt and why DF shouldn’t be so quick to sneeze at it. You’re right. They want a hearing that demonizes the people at PP. It’s the same crap they did to ACORN. They want PP to be equated with murdering babies just like O’Keefe wanted ACORN to be equated with prostitution.

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ObserverArt Sep 10, 2015 • 7:14:17am

re: #221 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, there is that, too. Like a big, muscular fellow who is really good at math and science, but acts dumb in class so his mates don’t call him a brainiac. It applies to the other gender, too. Some teenage girls don’t want to act too smart, because it might discourage boys from asking them out.

I taught high school.

Yeah, I remember you are a teacher. And yeah, high school is in that age bracket where young people are having big identity issues so there is over and under compensation going on all over in their lives.

I do wonder if it is a bit less these days since society is much more open to some of the issues that were completely untouchable in my day in junior/senior high years late 60s early 70s. Then again, with the backlash from so many, it might be harder too.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 10, 2015 • 7:14:37am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Nah. If there was a war on Christians, he would have been sent to the stocks at the ripe old age of 5.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:16:09am

Reading what Huckabee is sputtering about in this interview gives me a headache.

Mike Huckabee refuses to answer a simple question. Mika Brzezinski lets him have it http://t.co/gmD5VzmOCo pic.twitter.com/PmvdDzKkGL

— Salon Politics (@Salon_Politics) September 10, 2015

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lawhawk Sep 10, 2015 • 7:16:14am

Saw this nonsense cross my facebook stream today.

Idiocy of the day

[facepalm]

That’s even more laughable considering Trump going after Fiorina, and that Fiorina’s experience consists of nearly destroying two of the biggest names in tech - Lucent and HP. Her job growth strategy consisted of providing golden parachutes for herself while outsourcing jobs to other countries. It included questionable transactions that inflated the bottom line (at Lucent) that fell apart leaving the entire telcom industry picking up the pieces after she moved on to go and do the same kind of wonderous nonsense at HP.

And don’t get me started with the laughable Trey Goudy as AG, who has yet to find a single piece of wrongdoing about Benghazi despite looking for years.

And Allen West would be more closely associated with Levenworth had he not taken a deal to separate from the military because he engaged in war crimes (torturing detainees).

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:17:21am

re: #251 GlutenFreeJesus

Nah. If there was a war on Christians, he would have been sent to the stocks at the ripe old age of 5.

Ah true when you consider that the Warren Court decision of Engle v Vitale is when many of them say the war on Christians truly began when the USSC I believe by a near unanimous ruling ruled that forced school prayer was unconstitutional. I always scoffed when I heard my friends from the neighborhood who were attending parochial school claim that you couldn’t pray in public school. This was when I was more spiritual and I had to point out that I had prayed in school many a time especially before a mathematics pop quiz early or late in the day. They say there are no atheists in foxholes but there’s also many a believer in a 1st or 7th period math class that has a pop quiz put on them.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:17:41am

Well, I did it. Now, I’m pissed. I clicked the link on Thanos Post.

I will NEVER GIVE UP.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:18:03am

re: #253 lawhawk

Saw this nonsense cross my facebook stream today.

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[facepalm]

That’s even more laughable considering Trump going after Fiorina, and that Fiorina’s experience consists of nearly destroying two of the biggest names in tech - Lucent and HP. Her job growth strategy consisted of providing golden parachutes for herself while outsourcing jobs to other countries. It included questionable transactions that inflated the bottom line (at Lucent) that fell apart leaving the entire telcom industry picking up the pieces after she moved on to go and do the same kind of wonderous nonsense at HP.

lol.

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 7:18:34am

Charles, the tweets still display the ampersand codes instead of certain symbols on my phone.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:18:53am

re: #250 ObserverArt

Yeah, I remember you are a teacher. And yeah, high school is in that age bracket where young people are having big identity issues so there is over and under compensation going on all over in their lives.

I do wonder if it is a bit less theses days since society is much more open to some of the issues that were completely untouchable in my day in junior/senior high years late 60s early 70s. Then again, with the backlash from so many, it might be harder too.

Depends on the community, but kids nowadays are less judgmental about LGBT classmates than my generation ever was. Usually, LGBT kids catch flak from the adults in the school, like girls who are told they can’t wear tuxes to the prom, or can’t ditch the stupid drape some yearbook photographers insist they wear, or the gay footballers whose photos are excised from the yearbook.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:19:55am

Anyhow I believe that forbidding forced prayer is not only constitutional but good for prayer too. If you’re a praying man or woman, I think prayer ought to be deeply personal and meaningful. A forced prayer isn’t going to do that.

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WhatEVs Sep 10, 2015 • 7:20:23am

re: #227 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I’m really wondering if they are consciously trying to create a slave class… .

I had to think about that for a moment. I was originally going to say that they are not good slaves because they have no skills…but that would be more like surfs than slaves. They become slaves when put into the prison system and forced to work for no wages.

So, yeah, I agree with you.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:21:21am

Justice Department Sets Sights on Wall Street Executives

think any of those responsible for 2008 will be investigated?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:22:12am

re: #260 WhatEVs

I had to think about that for a moment. I was originally going to say that they are not good slaves because they have no skills…but that would be more like surfs than slaves. They become slaves when put into the prison system and forced to work for no wages.

So, yeah, I agree with you.

There’s also the tendency to shut the poor off from affordable health care, or abortion clinics, while enabling access for the wingnuts themselves.

Also, public education.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:22:15am

re: #258 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Depends on the community, but kids nowadays are less judgmental about LGBT classmates than my generation ever was. Usually, LGBT kids catch flak from the adults in the school, like girls who are told they can’t wear tuxes to the prom, or can’t ditch the stupid drape some yearbook photographers insist they wear, or the gay footballers whose photos are excised from the yearbook.

Hell I’m only 10 years older than today’s high school seniors and I can tell you that there’s a big difference than how many of us were like on the issue in middle and high school than where our counterparts are now. I admit it, I was mildly homophobic in middle school though I grew more progressive minded in high school. A lot of people shit on this generation of kids but having coached some of them and gotten to know them through my brother, I think they’re great kids.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:22:16am

re: #261 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Justice Department Sets Sights on Wall Street Executives

think any of those responsible for 2008 will be investigated?

Bwahahahaha!

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:22:34am

And woot now It’s the End of the World As We Know It is playing on my iPod.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 7:22:39am

re: #260 WhatEVs

I had to think about that for a moment. I was originally going to say that they are not good slaves because they have no skills…but that would be more like surfs than slaves. They become slaves when put into the prison system and forced to work for no wages.

So, yeah, I agree with you.

SURFER RULES!!!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:23:03am

I’m calming down.

zooborns.com

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:23:53am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Anyhow I believe that forbidding forced prayer is not only constitutional but good for prayer too. If you’re a praying man or woman, I think prayer ought to be deeply personal and meaningful. A forced prayer isn’t going to do that.

oh no, it has to be declared loud, fervently and publicly!!!

///

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:24:01am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

SURFER RULES!!!

Won’t you come serfing safari with me?

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WhatEVs Sep 10, 2015 • 7:24:23am

re: #233 Nyet

It could be relevant as a start for further research. It’s something that happened about 20 years before his birth so it doesn’t tell us what views his father held at the same time he was raising his son. Granted, the probability that he remained viciously racist is good from what we know about fellow humans. But a leap is a leap, even if not particularly great one.

So you’re saying that the mindset behind the racism just went away?

Here’s my leap: Byrd renounced the KKK, but did his mindset change? Was he willing to make friends with Teh Blah’s? For some reason, I am thinking not, because while you may renounce radicalism, it takes a lot more to change hearts and minds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:25:11am

Something else to set off the fundies in Kentucky:

ICYMI Kentucky taxpayers foot bill for 'In God We Trust' signs; lawmaker pledges reimbursement
http://t.co/kloAyYFKLs pic.twitter.com/c823gubL0S

— heraldleader (@heraldleader) September 10, 2015

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:25:23am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

So I’ve had it wrong all these years? Is Surfin’ Safari a song about oppression or are its lyrics actually, “Let’s go serfin’ now, everybody’s learnin’ how…?”

ETA: HW, the passing years have slowed me on the draw.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:26:13am

re: #272 Higgs Boson’s Mate

So I’ve had it wrong all these years? Is Surfin’ Safari a song about oppression or are its lyrics actually, “Let’s go serfin’ now, everybody’s learnin’ how…?”

Brian Murryovitch is a hell of a songwriter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:26:17am

re: #272 Higgs Boson’s Mate

So I’ve had it wrong all these years? Is Surfin’ Safari a song about oppression or are its lyrics actually, “Let’s go serfin’ now, everybody’s learnin’ how…?”

very popular cotton-picking song.

FACT!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:26:39am

re: #272 Higgs Boson’s Mate

So I’ve had it wrong all these years? Is Surfin’ Safari a song about oppression or are its lyrics actually, “Let’s go serfin’ now, everybody’s learnin’ how…?”

Serfs up! Get ready for work!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:26:44am

I’ve heard/read more and more about the “Problem of the 14th amendment.” This is a big topic with the NRA —I’ve heard it from them for decades.

If the 14th amendment is gutted the way Glass-Steagall was —well that would put us right back at 1860.

I think this is the ultimate goal of the whackos.

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Romantic Heretic Sep 10, 2015 • 7:27:04am

re: #227 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I’m really wondering if they are consciously trying to create a slave class… .

They are. Slaves only need to be fed, clothed and housed, badly. So all the money and power belongs to them.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 10, 2015 • 7:27:06am

re: #176 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You remind me of Heinlein’s judges in Stranger in the Stranger Land. They only attest to what they can physically sense. Ask them what color a building is, and they’ll say it’s red on this side.

Their title was “Fair Witness”—interesting job description.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:27:14am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Won’t you come serfing safari with me?

down in Kokomo?

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:27:25am

I think I remember reading that the Beatles did intend for Back in the U.S.S.R to be a parody of the Beach Boys’ California songs.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:27:39am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

very popular cotton-picking song.

FACT!

Then I’m the real racist every time I paddle out?

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:27:48am

re: #279 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

down in Kokomo?

Aruba, Jamaica.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:29:11am

re: #279 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

down in Kokomo?

If you had any idea how long it takes me to get that song out of my head…

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:29:35am

whacko white people feel threatened.

They can accomplish changing the law, but it won’t be changed for long. Demographics are what they are.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:29:37am

re: #278 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Their title was “Fair Witness”—interesting job description.

Yeah. I lost the exact title, and Wikipedia was not responding to my calls for memory assistance.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 10, 2015 • 7:30:22am

re: #253 lawhawk

Saw this nonsense cross my facebook stream today.

[Embedded content]

[facepalm]

That’s even more laughable considering Trump going after Fiorina, and that Fiorina’s experience consists of nearly destroying two of the biggest names in tech - Lucent and HP. Her job growth strategy consisted of providing golden parachutes for herself while outsourcing jobs to other countries. It included questionable transactions that inflated the bottom line (at Lucent) that fell apart leaving the entire telcom industry picking up the pieces after she moved on to go and do the same kind of wonderous nonsense at HP.

And don’t get me started with the laughable Trey Goudy as AG, who has yet to find a single piece of wrongdoing about Benghazi despite looking for years.

And Allen West would be more closely associated with Levenworth had he not taken a deal to separate from the military because he engaged in war crimes (torturing detainees).

Allen West as SoD would be no more outrageous than John Bolton as Ambassador to the UN—oh, wait!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:30:26am

re: #283 Higgs Boson’s Mate

If you had any idea how long it takes me to get that song out of my head…

Oh, let me give you one to replace it …

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:30:29am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

Aruba, Jamaica.

I wanna take ya

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:31:47am

re: #286 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Allen West as SoD would be no more outrageous than John Bolton as Ambassador to the UN—oh, wait!

Who is Bolton advising anyhow? I thought I had heard him and IRA Petey were going to join the circus too.

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Nyet Sep 10, 2015 • 7:31:53am

re: #270 WhatEVs

No, I never said that. I’m saying that I don’t know. Suggestive? Absolutely. Conclusive? Not yet.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 7:32:23am

re: #253 lawhawk

Saw this nonsense cross my facebook stream today.

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[facepalm]

Donald Trump’s cabinet will look something like this:

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:32:50am

re: #284 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

whacko white people feel threatened.

They can accomplish changing the law, but it won’t be changed for long. Demographics are what they are.

They’re petrified of changing demographics. It’s the same as when the country changed from being primarily being made of white Protestants of British, German, and French descent to a more diverse one. Some people are just afraid of any change.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:33:08am

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump’s cabinet will look something like this:

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Oh the Qaddafi model, yes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:33:15am

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump’s cabinet will look something like this:

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They’d still do a better job than the clowns in that other photo.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:33:36am

re: #287 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Oh, let me give you one to replace it …

Well, thank you for that. I’m now going to tap myself on the head with a ball peen hammer as a distraction.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:34:11am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

They’re petrified of changing demographics. It’s the same as when the country changed from being primarily being made of white Protestants of British, German, and French descent to a more diverse one. Some people are just afraid of any change.

I have two members of my extended family who honestly are afraid everyone will be forced to speak Spanish in the near future. O_o

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:34:34am

hahahahaaa

About 20 people here to see Bobby Jindal speak at the National Press Club in DC
— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) September 10, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:35:53am

Jindal: “Donald Trump is shallow"
— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) September 10, 2015

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:36:06am

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump’s cabinet will look something like this:

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And they would do worse than Donald Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzales, Condoleeza Rice?

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:36:08am

re: #296 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I have two members of my extended family who honestly are afraid everyone will be forced to speak Spanish in the near future. O_o

As my college Spanish professor would say, dios mio.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:36:20am

re: #295 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Well, thank you for that. I’m now going to tap myself on the head with a ball peen hammer as a distraction.

When I first heard “Kokomo,” I couldn’t get why the Beach Boys were singing about sailing from Indiana to Jamaica. Then I discovered there’s more than one Kokomo.

The other Jamaica I already knew about.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:36:32am

I like The Idea of Donald Trump. But here’s the problem, Donald Trump is also full of nonsense. https://t.co/viGpCCNt1i

— Gov. Bobby Jindal (@BobbyJindal) September 10, 2015

Jindal: "Donald Trump is not a serious candidate. He's a narcissist. He's an egomaniac."
— Alexis Levinson (@alexis_levinson) September 10, 2015

Bobby so much wants Trump to insult him.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:36:38am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

So are you Bobby.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:36:54am

Meryl Streep Takes On Congress And Has A Message For Pope Francis

Although the constitution *should* be read to protect women against discrimination, the standard for protection against sex discrimination is not as stringent as it should be. And for some members of the court, women don’t seem to count as constitutional “persons,” even though corporations do. Even the most conservative Justice, Antonin Scalia, is on record saying, “Certainly the constitution does not require discrimination on the basis of sex. The only issue is whether it prohibits it. It doesn’t.”

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:37:10am

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump’s cabinet will look something like this:

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He thinks he is James Bond.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 10, 2015 • 7:37:12am

re: #285 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah. I lost the exact title, and Wikipedia was not responding to my calls for memory assistance.

When I first read Stranger in a Strange Land in the 60’s, even though Ann the Fair Witness was supposed to be a blonde, somehow or another I persistently pictured Lee Meriwether in the part….

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:37:12am

I like Jindal pretending like he’s this thoughtful guy.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:38:07am

re: #301 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

When I first heard “Kokomo,” I couldn’t get why the Beach Boys were singing about sailing from Indiana to Jamaica. Then I discovered there’s more than one Kokomo.

The other Jamaica I already knew about.

Jamaica?
No, she did it on her own accord.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:38:12am

re: #306 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When I first read Stranger in a Strange Land in the 60’s, even though Ann the Fair Witness was supposed to be a blonde, somehow or another I persistently pictured Lee Meriwether in the part….

Dressed like Catwoman?

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:38:29am

re: #301 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

When I first heard “Kokomo,” I couldn’t get why the Beach Boys were singing about sailing from Indiana to Jamaica. Then I discovered there’s more than one Kokomo.

The other Jamaica I already knew about.

Yeah that always confused me too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:39:09am

Jindal says it was "pretty entertaining when he said audiences were falling asleep at Jeb's rallies"
— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) September 10, 2015

It’s time to get serious. 
https://t.co/AHYLl2NFVa
https://t.co/bRNxN0xkrA

— Gov. Bobby Jindal (@BobbyJindal) September 10, 2015

Jindal burn on Trump: "You know why he hasn’t read the Bible? Because he’s not in it."
— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) September 10, 2015

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 7:39:25am

re: #305 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

He thinks he is James Bond.

Blond, James Blond

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 10, 2015 • 7:39:43am

re: #296 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I have two members of my extended family who honestly are afraid everyone will be forced to speak Spanish in the near future. O_o

Or putting in wheelchair ramps means the gummint is going to cut everybody’s legs off….

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WhatEVs Sep 10, 2015 • 7:39:59am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jindal: “Donald Trump is shallow”

Who knew Jindal was capable of speaking any truth. Go figure.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:40:17am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Time to get serious? How about the fact that you poll worse than Mike Gravel did, Bobby.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:40:17am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

That last one was a good one. Who’s writing his material?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:41:42am

Jindal: "It's time to send Donald Trump back to reality TV"
— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) September 10, 2015

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 7:41:48am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jindal says it was “pretty entertaining when he said audiences were falling asleep at Jeb’s rallies”

My family was visiting and watching a lot of CNN when that quote came out.

CNN’s response? They interviewed a woman who fell asleep at a Jeb Bush rally.

Further proof that CNN kills brain cells quicker than huffing paint thinner…

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:41:53am

re: #309 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There is only one Catwoman.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:42:16am

I’ve had several, but I waaaaaannnnttttt this one too!

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:42:24am

Jindal: “We know that only a weak and small person needs to constantly tell us how strong they are"
— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:42:24am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It is reality TV, it’s the GOP nomination.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:42:48am

Jindal being so Freudian with his insults.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 7:42:54am

The picture is cropped, did he remove his pants?
No I’m not clicking through to Crowder’s lame site.

Hats off => http://t.co/OMjYoa2pKQ Laidoff Man Does Whatever It Takes — and Puts the Left to Shame… pic.twitter.com/UlRakXHzeW

— Steven Crowder (@scrowder) September 10, 2015

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Teukka Sep 10, 2015 • 7:42:59am

re: #320 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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I’ve had several, but I waaaaaannnnttttt this one too!

Retriever pup?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:43:12am

re: #313 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Or putting in wheelchair ramps means the gummint is going to cut everybody’s legs off….

I told them, “Yo no preocupo.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:43:31am

Jindal: “Just because a lot of people like watching Kim Kardashian, we wouldn't put her in the White House either."
— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) September 10, 2015

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:43:35am

re: #325 Teukka

Retriever pup?

Field Spaniel

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:43:53am

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

The picture is cropped, did he remove his pants?
No I’m not clicking through to Crowder’s lame site.

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He did it, he put me to shame. //

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No Country For Old Haters Sep 10, 2015 • 7:44:09am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

@BobbyJindal There are no serious Republican candidates. You're locked into being the stupid party.
— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) September 10, 2015

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WhatEVs Sep 10, 2015 • 7:44:10am

re: #320 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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I’ve had several, but I waaaaaannnnttttt this one too!

That’s a pretty little boy. Nice confirmation!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:44:17am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I kinda feel this way about Trump as well. He is polling well because people enjoy the entertainment. They won’t vote for him —well he won’t get enough votes to be elected.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:44:22am

This would certainly raise Bobby Jindal's profile if people didn't stop reading political headlines after the words "Bobby Jindal".
— Will McAvoy (@WillMcAvoyACN) September 10, 2015

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:44:34am

re: #331 WhatEVs

That’s a pretty little boy. Nice confirmation!

Yeah, he is learning to stack.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:45:26am

Comparing the 2016 Presidential Tax Reform Proposals

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:46:13am

re: #332 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I kinda feel this way about Trump as well. He is polling well because people enjoy the entertainment. They won’t vote for him —well he won’t get enough votes to be elected.

I don’t know. You have a lot of people saying he is their first and second choices. Maybe some just want to play with fire but I think he is having an impact on the GOP primaries. I still will be shocked if he was the nominee but a lot has changed. And a lot of people thought Reagan a mere entertainer too. Now granted Reagan had two terms of governor of California by the time he got nominated for president and didn’t act like the presidential nomination was the WWE.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:46:38am

All grown-up and show groomed

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:46:48am

I feel Trump can’t be underestimated due to his treasure chest and how he appeals to the worst aspects of the GOP base.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:47:07am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. You have a lot of people saying he is their first and second choices. Maybe some just want to play with fire but I think he is having an impact on the GOP primaries. I still will be shocked if he was the nominee but a lot has changed. And a lot of people thought Reagan a mere entertainer too. Now granted Reagan had two terms of governor of California by the time he got nominated for president and didn’t act like the presidential nomination was the WWE.

Yah know, Reagan had some decorum.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 10, 2015 • 7:47:16am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jindal: “Just because a lot of people like watching Kim Kardashian, we wouldn't put her in the White House either."
— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) September 10, 2015

Better her than Trump!

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WhatEVs Sep 10, 2015 • 7:47:23am

re: #334 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Yeah, he is learning to stack.

Love the planes on his head. Nice tail set, too. Lovely boy.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:47:48am

re: #339 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Yah know, Reagan had some decorum.

Yeah he didn’t always act like a complete ass of himself like Trump does.

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WhatEVs Sep 10, 2015 • 7:48:40am

re: #337 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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All grown-up and show groomed

What a beauty! Look at the bone. Yowza! Is he yours?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:48:52am

Jindal: "Hillary Clinton is self-destructing right now. She is losing to a socialist."
— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) September 10, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:49:28am

It’s time to tell Donald Trump – no, we will not put an egomaniacal unserious person in the White House — “you’re fired.”
— Gov. Bobby Jindal (@BobbyJindal) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:50:05am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And you’re losing to Donald Trump. Bernie Sanders at least is a serious and thoughtful candidate. Jindal shouldn’t be talking trash when he’s polling closer to Jim Gilmore, George Pataki, and Rick Santorum than the frontrunner.

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WhatEVs Sep 10, 2015 • 7:50:14am

re: #340 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Better her than Trump!

Go god, no. Please no.

Her hubby, who thinks he’s some form of Jesus, said he would run in 2020. That’s something to look forward to. I am not sure who has the bigger ego, Trump or Kanye.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:50:41am

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 7:51:00am

re: #347 WhatEVs

Go god, no. Please no.

Her hubby, who thinks he’s some form of Jesus, said he would run in 2020. That’s something to look forward to. I am not sure who has the bigger ego, Trump or Kanye.

Kanye has better hair.

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blueraven Sep 10, 2015 • 7:51:04am

Sad Jindal. The only way he can get any attention is to wail on about Trump.

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lawhawk Sep 10, 2015 • 7:51:09am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wait, what does it say about the nation when for decades we’ve had presidents go out of their way to state how strong the nation is during the SOTU?

And what does it say about the GOP when they constantly need to puff themselves up by claiming that they’re the strongest candidate to beat whoever the Democrats choose?

Jindal: “We know that only a weak and small person needs to constantly tell us how strong they are”

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:52:18am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

President Trump. That one is now filed under, Things That No Sane Person Would Expect to Happen. “President Trump” is there in company with, “GW Bush Re-elected, Republicans retain House and take Senate.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:53:36am

Such a crowd!

Scene in the room for Jindal's big Trump speech pic.twitter.com/zgqKJGa4IU

— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) September 10, 2015

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BeachDem Sep 10, 2015 • 7:53:44am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahaaa

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And all CNN had was what does jindal think of Trump? (Find out more at CNN (tnn) dot.com.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:53:51am

Jindal calls Planned Parenthood supporters “science deniers” for questioning fetal tissue videos
— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) September 10, 2015

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Teukka Sep 10, 2015 • 7:53:53am

re: #352 Higgs Boson’s Mate

President Trump. That one is now filed under, Things That No Sane Person Would Expect to Happen. “President Trump” is there in company with, “GW Bush Re-elected, Republicans retain House and take Senate.”

They said the same about Adolf and Benito. :(

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 7:54:01am

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:55:11am

Jindal: Trump is a "narcissist," and ACLU was "for religious freedom before they were against it." pic.twitter.com/mDb3esVWtz

— Conrad Chaffee (@conradchaffee) September 10, 2015

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:55:15am

re: #357 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Nice

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:55:41am

re: #356 Teukka

They said the same about Adolf and Benito. :(

As you well know, there was a time when Stalin was affectionately referred to as “Uncle Joe” in the US.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 7:56:14am

Jindal, asked about Kim Davis, again cited "Marriage and Conscience" executive order he signed earlier this year.
— Elizabeth Crisp (@elizabethcrisp) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:56:15am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Says the guy who denies evolutionary theory which ya know an overwhelming majority of scientists support. Go away Bobby, you’re drunk again.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 7:56:52am

re: #352 Higgs Boson’s Mate

President Trump. That one is now filed under, Things That No Sane Person Would Expect to Happen. “President Trump” is there in company with, “GW Bush Re-elected, Republicans retain House and take Senate.”

Yeah I am still amazed that both those happened.

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Bird in the Paw Sep 10, 2015 • 7:59:11am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Whut?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 7:59:15am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

Yeah I am still amazed that both those happened.

Ronald Reagan, former B-movie actor, elected President — twice.

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ObserverArt Sep 10, 2015 • 8:00:12am

Maybe Bobby Jindal sees a stand up comic act in his future.

I’d say he shouldn’t quit his day job, but then he is not good at it either, and he’s about to the end of his term so maybe this is his future. We say it all the time, the Republicans need some better comics. Keep polishing Bobby. You may be good at something…sometime.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 8:00:29am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

Yeah I am still amazed that both those happened.

The fact that Trump is taken seriously as a candidate already says enough about the state of politics in the GOP and the USA.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 10, 2015 • 8:00:33am

re: #319 Higgs Boson’s Mate

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There is only one Catwoman.

ORLY?

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:01:01am

re: #365 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ronald Reagan, former B-movie actor, elected President — twice.

That was my Dad. He was driving with my grandfather when Reagan primaried Ford and he laughed at the idea of Reagan for president and my grandfather who was a lifer in the NLRB told my Dad that it could happen since in his words there’s a lot of stupid people out there. He died nearly a year before the 1980 election. I never knew the man but through my Dad and what I know about him, there’s no other individual living or dead that shaped my ideology. The best man I never knew.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 8:01:43am

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:02:24am

re: #370 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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They’re all wearing ties. //

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:02:28am

re: #365 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ronald Reagan, former B-movie actor, elected President — twice.

I kept expecting to see Rod Serling, cigarette in hand, appear right in front of me the day that Reagan was elected. You know, that would have actually made me feel better because then I would have known that I was crazy and not the rest of the fucking country.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:03:19am

re: #368 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Immoveable object, irresistible force.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 8:03:26am

re: #370 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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My congresscritter, second from the left, bottom row.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:04:08am

re: #372 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I kept expecting to see Rod Serling, cigarette in hand, appear right in front of me the day that Reagan was elected. You know, that would have actually made me feel better because then I would have known that I was crazy and not the rest of the fucking country.

It disturbs me that not only did he win, he won big. I mean I know Carter and Mondale were flawed and I am aware of where the economy was in 1980. But still I just can’t wrap my head around that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 8:04:36am

Jindal: "The only group [Obama] is able to out-negotiate is Senate Republicans” re: Iran deal
— Emma Roller (@emmaroller) September 10, 2015

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:05:11am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

They’re all wearing ties. //

They all look like they learned to smile from an article in Popular Mechanics?

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:05:55am

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh really Bobby? He knows more about negotiation in his little pinky than you ever will since he actually leads rather than just being a pawn for Tony Perkins theocratic fan fic fantasies.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:06:22am

re: #377 Higgs Boson’s Mate

They all look like they learned to smile from an article in Popular Mechanics?

I know I’ll get the answer eventually, just give me time. // I know I’m missing something.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 10, 2015 • 8:06:37am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

It disturbs me that not only did he win, he won big. I mean I know Carter and Mondale were flawed and I am aware of where the economy was in 1980. But still I just can’t wrap my head around that.

I remember on M*A*S*H one of the crummy movies they were trying to pawn off on another camp was Bonzo Runs for President. It seemed funny at the time. Guess you hadda be there….

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ObserverArt Sep 10, 2015 • 8:06:38am

Oh yeah…I almost forgot until I saw him in the image in GGTs #370.

Is Louie Gohmert still in office, or is he out in the flats of Texas building his nuclear bunker?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 8:06:42am

re: #343 WhatEVs

What a beauty! Look at the bone. Yowza! Is he yours?

no the mom of the pup above.

Mine look better! —well, when they are show groomed.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:07:17am

re: #380 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I remember on M*A*S*H one of the crummy movies they were trying to pawn off on another camp was Bonzo Runs for President. I seemed funny at the time. Guess you hadda be there….

Guess so.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:07:32am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

It’s a trick question. They all look like Real Americans to me.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:08:42am

re: #384 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It’s a trick question. They all look like Real Americans to me.

Nah. No baseball caps.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:08:47am

re: #384 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It’s a trick question. They all look like Real Americans to me.

Yeah, I noticed that not only are they all guys but they’re all whiter than my ass is after a bitter winter.

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b.d. Sep 10, 2015 • 8:09:02am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It doesn’t look like many are but why would any news outfit waste a penny covering Jindal? They might as well follow a stray dog around and report on its day, it would garner a greater interest.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 8:09:17am

Full text of @BobbyJindal's prepared remarks today w/21 mentions of "Donald Trump" http://t.co/grhOIwMb6Q

— Elizabeth Crisp (@elizabethcrisp) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:10:19am

re: #387 b.d.

It doesn’t look like many are but why would any news outfit waste a penny covering Jindal? They might as well follow a stray dog around and report on its day, it would garner a greater interest.

The dog is more presidential too.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:10:35am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

The first person to achieve complete translucency will be granted the presidency for life by affirmation.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:11:19am

re: #390 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The first person to achieve complete translucency will be granted the presidency for life by affirmation.

Well I’m out. I may be German-Irish- Eastern Euro but I can tan and look good.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:11:53am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

The dog is more presidential too.

If Jindal really believed that he’d learn to lick his own balls and do it on live TV.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 8:12:16am

GOP rejects subsidized tuition, govt funded abortions, and universal healthcare. Basically they dont want us to become Israel.
— MATTY ICE (@MattyIceAZ) September 10, 2015

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ObserverArt Sep 10, 2015 • 8:12:19am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

It disturbs me that not only did he win, he won big. I mean I know Carter and Mondale were flawed and I am aware of where the economy was in 1980. But still I just can’t wrap my head around that.

If you think ‘80 was bad…try ‘84 knowing we would be having him and his damn jelly beans in the White House for four more years. Ugh. Add in the fact that is was a total election annihilation and it was dark times for anyone liberal.

But thinking back, even Reagan of 1984 would be better than any of the GOP Clowns of this year…especially knowing they would have a full Republican congress.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:12:34am

re: #390 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The first person to achieve complete translucency will be granted the presidency for life by affirmation.

That was W as depicted in Doonesbury.

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BeachDem Sep 10, 2015 • 8:12:34am

I swear, Trump is like crack to CNN. They only go about five minutes before they need another fix.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 8:13:16am

It’s been nice chatting wit’ you-all, but the dogs are demanding hugs.

bbl

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:14:49am

re: #394 ObserverArt

If you think ‘80 was bad…try ‘84 knowing we would be having him and his damn jelly beans in the White House for four more years. Ugh. Add in the fact that is was a total election annihilation and it was dark times for anyone liberal.

But thinking back, even Reagan of 1984 would be better than any of the GOP Clowns of this year…especially knowing they would have a full Republican congress.

Well when I said 1980, I meant I understood why the country’s mood was anti-Carter. But yeah, knowing a landslide was coming had to be the worst.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:14:53am

My dog just reminded me that it isn’t getting any cooler outside so we’re off for a walk.
bbl

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 10, 2015 • 8:15:25am

I had to click on twitter.
National Geographic and Fox Form a Commercial Media Company

dogs are not happy.

bla

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 8:15:33am

Donald Trump is your new Ronald Reagan, but dumber and less classy http://t.co/nsTr9bikfo via @DoktorZoom pic.twitter.com/pXPAvH48dC

— Wonkette (@Wonkette) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:16:14am

re: #401 The Vicious Babushka

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He’s Reagan without the ability to laugh at himself.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 10, 2015 • 8:16:41am

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:17:11am

re: #400 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I had to click on twitter.
National Geographic and Fox Form a Commercial Media Company

dogs are not happy.

bla

Yeah I saw that, bummer. Still thinking about a Nat Geo for kids subscription for my niece’s second birthday though. If anyone has any other good ideas, I’m all ears though her birthay isn’t for another six months.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:17:28am

re: #403 GlutenFreeJesus

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Exactly.

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ObserverArt Sep 10, 2015 • 8:18:20am

Later…it is a bit cooler today in Ohio…time to get some outdoor things done, etc.

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jaunte Sep 10, 2015 • 8:18:44am

Jindal says under his administration he would send the EPA (among others) to investigate planned parenthood
— Sam Stein (@samsteinhp) September 10, 2015

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WhatEVs Sep 10, 2015 • 8:18:46am

re: #396 BeachDem

I swear, Trump is like crack to CNN. They only go about five minutes before they need another fix.

He’s the new MH370…they’re just waiting for the crash and burn. Then they’ll turn to “Was it aliens that crashed and burned Trump? Just askin’.”

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:20:14am

re: #407 jaunte

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Well that beats getting rid of them. // Seriously this guy is a Rhodes Scholar? I mean I get good grades doesn’t always mean smart and I realize he panders big time but this is just inane even for him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 8:21:44am

Jindal adds that acts of police heroism "doesn’t get the attention it deserves” compared to police brutality
— Emma Roller (@emmaroller) September 10, 2015

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:22:30am

re: #409 HappyWarrior

Well that beats getting rid of them. // Seriously this guy is a Rhodes Scholar? I mean I get good grades doesn’t always mean smart and I realize he panders big time but this is just inane even for him.

Jindal is like that football player in high school I mentioned above. He acts dumb so his mates don’t think he’s too smart for them.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:23:12am

re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah no one talked about the NYPD at all after 9/11, Bobby. I never saw people who had never been to New York wearing NYPD baseball hats at all. Oh and your party are the ones who supports cutting their benefits.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 8:23:19am

Jindal response to question about Louisiana budget and #lalege: 
"We don't play games, we don't kick the can down the road."
— Elizabeth Crisp (@elizabethcrisp) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:23:44am

re: #411 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Jindal is like that football player in high school I mentioned above. He acts dumb so his mates don’t think he’s too smart for them.

I like that comp. Sounds right. I find people like that all the more frustrating.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 8:24:05am

Bobby Jindal attacking Donald Trump in front of only 20 people. That's less folks than were at the ACTUAL EXORCISM he performed.
— Sean Kent (@seankent) September 10, 2015

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aagcobb Sep 10, 2015 • 8:24:06am

re: #411 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Jindal is like that football player in high school I mentioned above. He acts dumb so his mates don’t think he’s too smart for them.

Ted Cruz was a brilliant legal student as well. These are smart people saying insane stuff to pander to stupid people; they know what they are doing.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:25:47am

re: #416 aagcobb

Ted Cruz was a brilliant legal student as well. These are smart people saying insane stuff to pander to stupid people; they know what they are doing.

Cruz, though, has that religious whackjob of a father. His pandering to the Religious Right is more worrisome to me than Jindal’s frantic attempts to be relevant.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:25:51am

re: #416 aagcobb

Ted Cruz was a brilliant legal student as well. These are smart people saying insane stuff to pander to stupid people; they know what they are doing.

They are the worst. I can understand ignorance since we all aren’t knowledgeable about everything but the smart man who lowers himself that way is the modern day George Wallace who decided to be a bigot rather than be “out n-worded.”

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:26:23am

re: #417 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Cruz, though, has that religious whackjob of a father. His pandering to the Religious Right is more worrisome to me than Jindal’s frantic attempts to be relevant.

Yeah Cruz’s father is a raving lunatic.

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No Country For Old Haters Sep 10, 2015 • 8:27:44am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

The fantasy-role-playing #wingnuts are desperate to pretend that they're reality-based, and that sane people are not. @igorbobic

— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) September 10, 2015

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No Country For Old Haters Sep 10, 2015 • 8:29:32am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

If the people were all possessed, that counts as 40! @seankent 
Of course the supernatural is imaginary.
— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) September 10, 2015

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BadgerB Sep 10, 2015 • 8:29:59am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

It disturbs me that not only did he win, he won big. I mean I know Carter and Mondale were flawed and I am aware of where the economy was in 1980. But still I just can’t wrap my head around that.

This is something to remember when we tell ourselves that none of these bozos could ever be elected. If the economy goes in the tank over the next year we will all be saluting President Trump even if he starts speaking in tongues in the middle of a nationally televised debate.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 10, 2015 • 8:30:39am

re: #421 No Country For Old Haters

Maybe more, if some were Hindu! ;)

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:30:41am

re: #420 No Country For Old Haters

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My favorite is when they liken their critics to those who persecuted past scientists. Kind of like how they like to liken anti-gay bigots to the Civil Rights Movement.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:32:20am

re: #422 BadgerB

This is something to remember when we tell ourselves that none of these bozos could ever be elected. If the economy goes in the tank over the next year we will all be saluting President Trump even if he starts speaking in tongues in the middle of a nationally televised debate.

Right. Fortunately the employment rate has decreased substantially since Obama became president but right the economy going to shit would mean PResident elect Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 8:35:57am

Read that Trump article at Rolling Stone and it will scare the crap out of you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 8:39:07am

re: #425 HappyWarrior

Right. Fortunately the employment rate has decreased substantially since Obama became president but right the economy going to shit would mean PResident elect Trump.

and a few major natural and/or man made disasters and the ensuing breakdown of public order over large areas of the country…they will be clamoring for The Donald to come and make things right again.

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jaunte Sep 10, 2015 • 8:39:35am

“For all of his awfulness, we’ll say this much about Ronald Reagan: He never made leering jokes about how he’d have loved to fuck his daughters. But then, Trump is a much meaner, dumbed-down Reagan for a much meaner, dumbed-down America, and he stubbornly refuses to implode.”
wonkette.com”

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:39:52am

re: #427 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and a few major natural and/or man made disaster and the ensuing breakdown of public order over large areas of the country…

Shiver. But crisis is breeding grounds for demagogues.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:40:32am

re: #428 jaunte

Yeah I think Reagan was an asshole but even I think he had more class than Donald does.

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aagcobb Sep 10, 2015 • 8:41:19am

re: #422 BadgerB

This is something to remember when we tell ourselves that none of these bozos could ever be elected. If the economy goes in the tank over the next year we will all be saluting President Trump even if he starts speaking in tongues in the middle of a nationally televised debate.

Fortunately, its unlikely to. The slowdown of the Chinese economy has put a real damper on commodity prices like energy and metals, and boosts the purchasing power of American consumers. Its a bummer for countries like Australia which export a lot of material to China. China isn’t a big export market for the US, which is driven more by US consumer spending, so the Chinese economic slowdown won’t cause much of a drag on the US economy. China is going through a difficult transition from an investment driven to a consumer driven economy, so there is not much chance commodity prices are going to recover quickly. Since there is very little inflationary pressure, the Fed won’t have any reason to raise interest rates much if at all, and the economic recovery should just keep chugging along like it has been.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 8:46:50am

LORD OF THE RUBES

#huckabee #DumpTrump #uniteblue @JohnFugelsang pic.twitter.com/9h8SM8PcfH

— kathleen zyskowski (@kathyzyskowski) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:47:42am

re: #432 The Vicious Babushka

LORD OF THE RUBES

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Bwahahha

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dharmamark Sep 10, 2015 • 8:49:48am

I saw R.E.M. at the GWU Smith Center in 1983, with the dBs opening. The acoustics sucked, but they played their asses off.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 10, 2015 • 8:51:52am

re: #428 jaunte

There are big differences between Reagan and Trump, as others have observed. Where Reagan talked in dog whistles, Trump speaks of rapists and murderers.

Remember Lee Atwater’s line about how in 1954, you just say ‘N****r,N****r,N****r,” but that by 1968 you have to speak in code? “Law and Order”, “Forced Busing”, etc. What we’re seeing is the reverse of that. Reagan spoke in code, but Trump, and even more his supporters, are speaking in openly racist ways.

It’s like a reverse Atwater.

Then there’s the fact that Reagan talked about what America would do with him as President, Trump speaks of what HE will do.

“I’ll be so good a the Military, it will make your head spin!”, “We’ll be winning so much you’ll get bored of winning”. In a sane country, anyone saying crap like that would get laughed off the stage, but his supporters eat it up. They don’t even care what his positions are, and will change THEIR position to align better with HIS.

I really think his supporters are primarily composed of people who were Scot Farkus or his toady, Grover Dill - either bullies, or suckups to bullies. They don’t want a President, they want a Strong Man.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:52:07am

re: #434 dharmamark

I saw R.E.M. at the GWU Smith Center in 1983, with the dBs opening. The acoustics sucked, but they played their asses off.

George Washington? Great campus. I would have loved to gone there but tuition is so expensive. I’ve been listening to their best of all morning as I work and I can really hear their influence on a ot of modern groups I like.

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steve_davis Sep 10, 2015 • 8:52:33am

re: #42 Eric The Fruit Bat

yeah, people who’ve never experienced vertigo don’t know what they’re missing. I was up in the stacks at my library a year or so ago, looking at the range that was closest to the glass railing that was designed to keep people from falling to their deaths onto the floor below. Got hit with a short bit of vertigo when I turned for a moment and literally had to just grab hold of the range in front of me and kind of pull myself around to where I wasn’t standing next to the railing anymore.

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Eventual Carrion Sep 10, 2015 • 8:52:44am

re: #407 jaunte

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Why? Are they illegally dumping aborted fetuses now? I thought they sold them?

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:53:57am

re: #435 Blind Frog Belly White

There are big differences between Reagan and Trump, as others have observed. Where Reagan talked in dog whistles, Trump speaks of rapists and murderers.

Remember Lee Atwater’s line about how in 1954, you just say ‘N****r,N****r,N****r,” but that by 1968 you have to speak in code? “Law and Order”, “Forced Busing”, etc. What we’re seeing is the reverse of that. Reagan spoke in code, but Trump, and even more his supporters, are speaking in openly racist ways.

It’s like a reverse Atwater.

Then there’s the fact that Reagan talked about what America would do with him as President, Trump speaks of what HE will do.

“I’ll be so good a the Military, it will make your head spin!”, “We’ll be winning so much you’ll get bored of winning”. In a sane country, anyone saying crap like that would get laughed off the stage, but his supporters eat it up. They don’t even care what his positions are, and will change THEIR position to align better with HIS.

I really think his supporters are primarily composed of people who were Scot Farkus or his toady, Grover Dill - either bullies, or suckups to bullies. They don’t want a President, they want a Strong Man.

Yeah they want a bully. Agree with you about his supporters too.

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jaunte Sep 10, 2015 • 8:54:16am

re: #438 Eventual Carrion

Just another lower level in “GOP Pander Limbo.”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:54:20am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

It disturbs me that not only did he win, he won big. I mean I know Carter and Mondale were flawed and I am aware of where the economy was in 1980. But still I just can’t wrap my head around that.

Not sure how old you are/were, but Jimmy Carter had no business being President. He was in way over his head. Not as bad as W, but it shouldn’t surprise anybody who was alive at the time that he lost yuuuge.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:54:33am

re: #438 Eventual Carrion

Why? Are they illegally dumping aborted fetuses now? I thought they sold them?

Maybe Bobby’s worried about the gas emissions fro the sports cars they’re getting.//

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 10, 2015 • 8:55:14am

re: #438 Eventual Carrion

Why? Are they illegally dumping aborted fetuses now? I thought they sold them?

Remember, modern Conservatism is all about simultaneously believing, with all your heart, at least two mutually exclusive things.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:55:18am

re: #441 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Not sure how old you are/were, but Jimmy Carter had no business being President. He was in way over his head. Not as bad as W, but it shouldn’t surprise anybody who was alive at the time that he lost yuuuge.

As I said, I’m aware of the economic conditions and of the Iranian hostage crisis. I do agree that Carter was in over his head though.

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dharmamark Sep 10, 2015 • 8:55:24am

re: #436 HappyWarrior

Yes, George Washington. I was living out in Reston at the time. Started the morning with REM, but I’m onto Dream Theater now…

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Lidane Sep 10, 2015 • 8:56:10am

This should end well:

Armed Oath Keepers head to Kentucky to stop federal officers from arresting Kim Davis again http://t.co/X6kH0iUxYw

— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:56:44am

re: #445 dharmamark

Yes, George Washington. I was living out in Reston at the time. Started the morning with REM, but I’m onto Dream Theater now…

Shit Reston? I grew up in Herndon, no kidding. I haven’t decided what I am going to listen to after lunch yet. I see today is Otis Redding’s birthday though. So maybe some Otis. This is why I love my job though. I can listen to music and work.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:56:58am

re: #446 Lidane

This should end well:

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Oh fuckin’ christ.

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Teukka Sep 10, 2015 • 8:57:11am

re: #448 HappyWarrior

Oh fuckin’ christ.

*rolls eyes*

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 8:57:30am

Oath Keepers Send Armed Guards To Protect Kim Davis From US Marshals - See more at: rightwingwatch.org

In a phone call with Jackson County, Kentucky, Sheriff Denny Peyman and other local Oath Keepers activists, Rhodes said that he was on his way to Kentucky to help with the Davis operation. Although the group had originally intended to picket outside the home of the judge who held Davis in contempt, he said, they had changed their plan when she was released on Tuesday.

Rhodes said that the Rowan County sheriff should have blocked U.S. Marshals from detaining Davis, but since neither the sheriff nor the state’s governor will do their “job” and “intercede” on behalf of Davis, the Oath Keepers will have to do it instead. “As far as we’re concerned, this is not over,” he said, “and this judge needs to be put on notice that his behavior is not going to be accepted and we’ll be there to stop it and intercede ourselves if we have to. If the sheriff, who should be interceding, is not going to do his job and the governor is not going to do the governor’s job of interceding, then we’ll do it.”

Peyman suggested that he meet with the Rowan County sheriff to “educate him” on his responsibility to block the actions of the federal courts, but in the meantime, Rhodes said, “our guys are already there and more coming” and they are ready to “lead by example” by preventing Davis from being arrested again.

One problem (of many) with that is the fact that Kim Davis was taken into custody at the federal courthouse in Carter County, where the Rowan County sheriff does not have jurisdiction.

These people are nuts.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 8:57:57am

re: #449 Teukka

*rolls eyes*

not at me I hope but at the armed nuts?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:58:22am

re: #441 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Somebody downding me. I shouldn’t have put him (Carter) in the same paragraph as W.

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Teukka Sep 10, 2015 • 8:58:37am

re: #451 HappyWarrior

not at me I hope but at the armed nuts?

Armed nuts protecting someone who might be a criminal (violating fed law).

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 8:59:40am

re: #450 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oath Keepers Send Armed Guards To Protect Kim Davis From US Marshals - See more at: rightwingwatch.org

One problem (of many) with that is the fact that Kim Davis was taken into custody at the federal courthouse in Carter County, where the Rowan County sheriff does not have jurisdiction.

These people are nuts.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Also, that bit about sheriffs having primacy over federal law sounds like Sovereign Citizen bullshit.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 10, 2015 • 9:01:02am

re: #450 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think the Oaf Keepers think the judge sent the sheriff to drag her away from her desk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 9:01:22am

re: #446 Lidane

This should end well:

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yep. I posted the Oathkeepers’ tweet earlier this morning:
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Lidane Sep 10, 2015 • 9:01:24am

re: #454 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Stupid is as stupid does.

Also, that bit about sheriffs having primacy over federal law sounds like Sovereign Citizen bullshit.

It’s that Posse Comitatus crazy.They think the local sheriff is the final say in law enforcement.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 10, 2015 • 9:01:53am

I’d really like the Rowan County sheriff to tell these boys to get the fuck out his county before his deputies arrest them for disturbing the peace or something.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 9:02:02am

Trump is like Antaeus in Greek mythology. Antaeus was a giant who derived his strength from the earth. Anyone who challenged him to a fight would try to throw him to the earth, and he would jump up with increased violence.

Hercules figured out the secret of Antaeus’ strength and so he lifted up the giant and held him in the air until he became weak and then cut off his air supply.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 9:02:31am

re: #458 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’d really like the Rowan County sheriff to tell these boys to get the fuck out his county before his deputies arrest them for disturbing the peace or something.

Something like that will undoubtedly happen.

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makeitstop Sep 10, 2015 • 9:03:01am

re: #441 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Not sure how old you are/were, but Jimmy Carter had no business being President. He was in way over his head. Not as bad as W, but it shouldn’t surprise anybody who was alive at the time that he lost yuuuge.

I think that’s a perception that is colored by years of painting Carter as ‘the worst monster in history’ by Atwater & company. Carter oversaw the creation of the Department of Education, Department of Energy, Camp David Accords, SALT II.

Not a bad record. But the recession and Iran hostage situation )and the failed hostage attempt) overshadowed all of it.

He was probably one of the most forward-thinking presidents we’ve had, and it’s a shame that he gets little or no credit for the accomplishments on his watch.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 10, 2015 • 9:03:19am

re: #441 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Not sure how old you are/were, but Jimmy Carter had no business being President. He was in way over his head. Not as bad as W, but it shouldn’t surprise anybody who was alive at the time that he lost yuuuge.

I disagree: Carter, being a truthful and honest Christian, insisted on showing us America as it was: disaffected, disoriented after losing a dishonorable war and enduring a long, disgraceful political scandal, still wracked by an overdue economic restructuring.

Reagan the showman and charlatan presented us with the America we wanted to see. And most of us chose to believe that view.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 10, 2015 • 9:03:55am

re: #441 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I disagree. He wasn’t a great President, but he wasn’t all that terrible. He had the misfortune to be President after Nixon, after Watergate, and after Vietnam. The inflation that marked the era wasn’t his doing, and in fact what he did fixed it - appointing Paul Volcker. Gas prices also weren’t his doing, but rather OPEC flexing its muscles. Iran? There was no way to win there. The Shah was going to fall, regardless. The failure of Desert One was not his fault either. But the hostages were all released, alive.

Carter’s biggest problem was that he tried treating Americans like grownups. America preferred to be treated like children, by a guy pushing rainbows and unicorns and ‘Shining City On The Hill’, promising simple solutions like tax cuts to get rid of the deficit, and magical laser weapons in the sky to thwart those nasty nukes we’d all grown up in the shadow of.

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Teukka Sep 10, 2015 • 9:04:19am

re: #462 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I disagree: Carter, being a truthful and honest Christian, insisted on showing us America as it was: disaffected, disoriented after losing a dishonorable war and enduring a long, disgraceful political scandal, still wracked by an overdue economic restructuring.

Reagan the showman and charlatan presented us with the America we wanted to see. And most of us chose to believe that view.

“A reassuring lie is more easy to believe than an uncomfortable truth.”

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William Lewis Sep 10, 2015 • 9:05:00am

re: #444 HappyWarrior

As I said, I’m aware of the economic conditions and of the Iranian hostage crisis. I do agree that Carter was in over his head though.

I don’t. He was a far better President than Reagan. His defense policies (pushing the B-2 stealth bomber,which eventually broke the back of the Soviet Air Defense budget, while killing the nearly worthless B-1 was one good example. Pity it did was a money sucking vampire) were on the whole better and if they’d sent more helicopters on that mission he’d have been re-elected despite Reagan’s treasonous dealings with Iran.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 10, 2015 • 9:05:09am

re: #452 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Somebody downding me. I shouldn’t have put him (Carter) in the same paragraph as W.

I had to restrain myself from downdinging you in the first place, but since you ask….

Carter was not “in over his head”. He was the first victim of the news media obsession with proving they didn’t have any “liberal bias” after the Watergate episode. All character assassination all the time. Reagan and Bush—nothing but fluffing 24/7. Clinton—back to character assassination.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 9:05:21am

re: #453 Teukka

Armed nuts protecting someone who might be a criminal (violating fed law).

Yeah I thought so. These assholes should be arrested.

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ObserverArt Sep 10, 2015 • 9:05:53am

Just logged in to let anyone interested know that right now on Palladia TV the REM by MTV documentary is on. Just started. I figured since the thread was about them, maybe some of you might want to know. I’ve watched it two times already…so back to work for me. Lawn mowing time. Later.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 9:06:12am

re: #465 William Lewis

I don’t. He was a far better President than Reagan. His defense policies (pushing the B-2 stealth bomber,which eventually broke the back of the Soviet Air Defense budget, while killing the nearly worthless B-1 was one good example. Pity it did was a money sucking vampire) were on the whole better and if they’d sent more helicopters on that mission he’d have been re-elected despite Reagan’s treasonous dealings with Iran.

He also got Volmer the man a lot of people give credit for ending a lot of the economic problems.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 10, 2015 • 9:06:43am

re: #417 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Cruz, though, has that religious whackjob of a father. His pandering to the Religious Right is more worrisome to me than Jindal’s frantic attempts to be relevant.

Cruz learned from his father that you could lead people around by their religion. He’s one evil fuck and no one but him knows the nature of his true agenda. So far his ego has caused him to overreach and fail. If he ever wises up he’s capable of making the original Tailgunner Joe look like Woody Guthrie.

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aagcobb Sep 10, 2015 • 9:07:08am

re: #446 Lidane

This should end well:

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They won’t be allowed into a federal courthouse with their guns, and that is where Kim Davis will be arrested if she stops the issuance of marriage licenses Monday.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 9:07:37am

re: #461 makeitstop

I think that’s a perception that is colored by years of painting Carter as ‘the worst monster in history’ by Atwater & company. Carter oversaw the creation of the Department of Education, Department of Energy, Camp David Accords, SALT II.

Not a bad record. But the recession and Iran hostage situation )and the failed hostage attempt) overshadowed all of it.

He was probably one of the most forward-thinking presidents we’ve had, and it’s a shame that he gets little or no credit for the accomplishments on his watch.

Yeah Carter certainly isn’t bottom rung like his detractors say he is.

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makeitstop Sep 10, 2015 • 9:08:17am

Glad to see I’m not the only one here who thinks Carter has gotten the Mother of Bad Raps.

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Mattand Sep 10, 2015 • 9:09:33am

re: #463 Blind Frog Belly White

Carter’s biggest problem was that he tried treating Americans like grownups. America preferred to be treated like children, by a guy pushing rainbows and unicorns and ‘Shining City On The Hill’, promising simple solutions like tax cuts to get rid of the deficit, and magical laser weapons in the sky to thwart those nasty nukes we’d all grown up in the shadow of.

This cannot be repeated or updinged enough. Such a spot on description of many Americans.

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 9:09:56am

re: #473 makeitstop

Glad to see I’m not the only one here who thinks Carter has gotten the Mother of Bad Raps.

He was my Dad’s first vote for president. He’s always been proud of that vote. I hate seeing Carter made out to be this terrible, see Debbie whatsherface calling him a cancer with cancer and him being made out to be an utter failure. He also was more of a Christian than any of these GOP candidates claim to be.

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The Vicious Babushka Sep 10, 2015 • 9:10:01am

re: #473 makeitstop

Glad to see I’m not the only one here who thinks Carter has gotten the Mother of Bad Raps.

Well, wingnuts take it as an Article Of Faith that OBAMA IS ELVENTY BAZILLION TIMES WORSER THEN CARTER, WORSEST PRESIDENT EVER SINCE BEGINNING OF ALL TIME 6000 YEARS AGO!!!!1!1!111!!!!!

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HappyWarrior Sep 10, 2015 • 9:10:54am

They’re still going to be using Carter as the proverbial punching bag when I am an old man I expect. When R’s want to shit on a Democrat, they compare him to Carter but better Carter than Reagan or Bush or any Republican currently running.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 10, 2015 • 9:12:31am

re: #463 Blind Frog Belly White

New thread starting, but you’re missing Carter’s flaws and understating Carter’s flaws and misrepresenting Reagan’s message. Briefly, Carter couldn’t sell water in a desert. The Democrats at the time were about as stupid as today’s Republicans, but without the hate. Reagan appealed (like Obama) to our idealistic image of America. DO you realize when you speak of Ronald Reagan promising unicorns and shit like that you sound just like the people who mock the Hopey Changey thing?

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makeitstop Sep 10, 2015 • 9:13:31am

re: #475 HappyWarrior

He was my Dad’s first vote for president. He’s always been proud of that vote. I hate seeing Carter made out to be this terrible, see Debbie whatsherface calling him a cancer with cancer and him being made out to be an utter failure. He also was more of a Christian than any of these GOP candidates claim to be.

My first vote as well, and I cast it proudly.

Carter is pretty much the only US president who has walked the walk, especially after his presidency was over. He has definitely put his money where his mouth is and actually taken personal action to help people.

And people forget his exemplary military record as well. That’s what years of disinformation will do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 10, 2015 • 9:16:44am

re: #478 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

New thread starting, but you’re missing Carter’s flaws and understating Carter’s flaws and misrepresenting Reagan’s message. Briefly, Carter couldn’t sell water in a desert. The Democrats at the time were about as stupid as today’s Republicans, but without the hate. Reagan appealed (like Obama) to our idealistic image of America. DO you realize when you speak of Ronald Reagan promising unicorns and shit like that you sound just like the people who mock the Hopey Changey thing?

Reagan never appealed to me and I didn’t vote for him.
Maybe because I’ve always had realistic image of America.

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William Lewis Sep 10, 2015 • 9:18:30am

re: #478 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The problem is that behind the smoke, mirrors and Hollywood smile was a hate as pure as the modern GOP for any one poor & non-white as well as a willingness to kill anyone who dared hope for a better life in one of our puppet states in Central & South America. It can be argued that he committed Treason with the Iranian government both before and after his election.

He was, simply put, the most evil president we have had, even surpassing that of Andrew Jackson; his body count in the Americas was certainly higher. Thankfully Gorbachev played him like a fiddle and brought the cold war to an end before that jackass could start WWIII and kill us all.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 10, 2015 • 9:19:26am

re: #478 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

New thread starting, but you’re missing Carter’s flaws and understating Carter’s flaws and misrepresenting Reagan’s message. Briefly, Carter couldn’t sell water in a desert. The Democrats at the time were about as stupid as today’s Republicans, but without the hate. Reagan appealed (like Obama) to our idealistic image of America. DO you realize when you speak of Ronald Reagan promising unicorns and shit like that you sound just like the people who mock the Hopey Changey thing?

If I said what I really thought about Reagan, I’d probably get banned from this site. Reagan was a complete piece of shit, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I don’t want to read any Reagan apologetics, thank you very much. His deal with the Iranians to hang onto the hostages till after the election and then selling them weapons to finance Fascist death squads in Nicaragua should have resulted in his hanging for treason.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 10, 2015 • 9:23:21am

re: #481 William Lewis

You forgot W. I think you also forgot that Reagan worked with Democrats often and compromised as well. There was also an immigration amnesty that happened somehow while he was hatin on all the brown people.

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makeitstop Sep 10, 2015 • 9:29:51am

re: #482 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I don’t want to read any Reagan apologetics, thank you very much.

Nope, me neither. Reagan is pretty much the father of today’s GOP. I don’t need to see his image rehabbed here, it’s a waste of time. Next thread, plz.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 10, 2015 • 9:30:40am

re: #482 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If I said what I really thought about Reagan, I’d probably get banned from this site. Reagan was a complete piece of shit, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I don’t want to read any Reagan apologetics, thank you very much. His deal with the Iranians to hang onto the hostages till after the election and then selling them weapons to finance Fascist death squads in Nicaragua should have resulted in his hanging for treason.

When you think you know everything and don’t need to hear the contrary, you are shortchanging yourself. One could make the case that Reagan made the deal that got the hostages released, which was something that President Carter could not do. Further, it’s easy to view the Fascist death squads from the distance of thirty years and in the post cold war light of history. There was simply more going on at the time than you obviously care to know about.

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William Lewis Sep 10, 2015 • 9:34:06am

re: #483 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Money. They needed cheap labor and that helped keep it here.

As for W, he was a puppet for Darth Cheney. I doubt W wiped his ass without Cheney first telling him it was OK.

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b_sharp Sep 10, 2015 • 9:35:33am

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reagan never appealed to me and I didn’t vote for him.
Maybe because I’ve always had realistic image of America.

When you guys voted in Reagan I started preparing to head to the BC mountains to build an underground sanctuary.

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William Lewis Sep 10, 2015 • 9:36:48am

re: #485 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Bull. I was there at the time and knew people on both sides in Nicaragua. His funding of the Contra thugs & Salvadoran Death Squads in defiance of that congress he supposedly worked with should have left him impeached, imprisoned and executed.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 10, 2015 • 9:45:20am

re: #485 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

When you think you know everything and don’t need to hear the contrary, you are shortchanging yourself. One could make the case that Reagan made the deal that got the hostages released, which was something that President Carter could not do. Further, it’s easy to view the Fascist death squads from the distance of thirty years and in the post cold war light of history. There was simply more going on at the time than you obviously care to know about.

Bull. Fucking. Shit. I was around for all of that. The Reagan campaign arranged with the ayatollahs to hang onto the hostages until after the election in order to queer Carter’s chances. Treason. He violated the law to sell weapons to Iran—our enemies, to hear the GOP tell it—in order to finance Fascist death squads. Treason. I don’t know what the fuck you think was going on in Nicaragua that would justify killing men, women, children,and nuns for, but sight unseen, I disagree.

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Eventual Carrion Sep 10, 2015 • 9:46:28am

re: #485 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

When you think you know everything and don’t need to hear the contrary, you are shortchanging yourself. One could make the case that Reagan made the deal that got the hostages released, which was something that President Carter could not do. Further, it’s easy to view the Fascist death squads from the distance of thirty years and in the post cold war light of history. There was simply more going on at the time than you obviously care to know about.

Bullshit. Reagan was scum. An addle brained spokesperson for the MIC. He read a fucking script written by his money people (the ones that made the armament that he sold, ILLEGALLY, to Iran). He might not have had the brains to recall anything, but I sure fucking do. I don’t need any historian telling me about the time as I was living it.

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makeitstop Sep 10, 2015 • 9:49:31am

re: #488 William Lewis

Bull. I was there at the time and knew people on both sides in Nicaragua. His funding of the Contra thugs & Salvadoran Death Squads in defiance of that congress he supposedly worked with should have left him impeached, imprisoned and executed.

And the ‘hostage deal’ was worked out way ahead of the election, IMO - let’s remember Dutch’s VP was a former Head Spook, and his go-to guy was James Baker, AKA ‘The Fixer’ - the same guy who facilitated W’s election theft in 2000.

The hostages being released within minutes of Reagan being sworn in fairly screamed ‘setup.’ Yeah, there was ‘a lot more going on at the time’ - mainly multiple acts of treason.

Reagan worked with Democrats. Hell, so did Nixon. That was their fucking job. Let’s not cast Reagan doing what he swore an oath to do as something special here.

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BeenHereAwhile Sep 10, 2015 • 10:17:49am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now KD is the new Mandela.

arrrrggg

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KD going to start her political career by blowing stuff up?

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Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 10, 2015 • 12:20:29pm

re: #65 TedStriker

After re: #446 Lidane

You can almost hear it now….

RANDY WEAVER!

DAVID KORESH!

CLIVEN BUNDY!

KIM DAVIS!

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retired cynic Sep 10, 2015 • 3:58:40pm

re: #489 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I was here. His playing around with the tax code destroyed a major part of agriculture in this country. I know. We rode it all the way down! I hated him with a Purple Passion.

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