Video: Carly Fiorina Snaps at CNN's Chris Cuomo When Questioned About Her Planned Parenthood Lies

Video: Carly Fiorina Snaps at CNN’s Chris Cuomo When Questioned About Her Planned Parenthood Lies

Lying to our faces

PoliticsDecember 2015 • Views: 48,429

In an amazingly revealing interview with CNN’s Chris Cuomo, Carly Fiorina looks right into the camera and lies over and over about Planned Parenthood and the edited Center for Medical Progress videos. As Cuomo presses her, Fiorina gets very sarcastic and nasty, insisting that the videos weren’t edited (they absolutely were, even the supposedly complete versions), and utterly denying any connection between her extreme rhetoric and the attack on Planned Parenthood’s clinic in Colorado.

Fiorina says Planned Parenthood “made a quiet little announcement that they would no longer accept compensation for the sale of fetal tissue.” That’s a lie, folks; first, the announcement was very public, not “quiet,” and second, what they actually said was that they would no longer accept reimbursement for their expenses when supplying donated fetal tissue, to shut down the claims that they were profiting from these donations. Planned Parenthood simply does not “sell baby parts,” and the way conservatives continue parroting this gross lie is despicable.

In one breath, Fiorina denies her incendiary rhetoric had anything to do with inciting threats and violence against Planned Parenthood — then in the next breath she accuses President Obama and “the left” of using “dangerous rhetoric” that incites people against conservatives.

But her most outrageous lie may be her claim that no one in the “pro-life” movement celebrated the Colorado attack, because while the leaders of “pro-life” organizations may have rushed to condemn the attack (after months of increasingly rabid incitement), many members of the rank-and-file Republican voting base had very different reactions ranging from attempts to deny the shooter was attacking Planned Parenthood at all, to outright support for his murderous rampage. And even presidential candidates carefully phrased their statements to imply Planned Parenthood probably deserved to be attacked — without saying so outright, of course.

This video clip is a picture of a political party completely unhinged from reality and honesty, a party that will do and say anything to keep their debased followers enraged and ignorant, with no concern at all for the innocent people who are being hurt and killed by their ugly lies.

(h/t: Tom Boggioni.)

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387 comments

Brian J. Dec 11, 2015 • 12:45:18pm

Why isn’t this woman cooling her heels in the Colorado state pen, for incitement and slander at the least?

Eclectic Cyborg Dec 11, 2015 • 12:49:26pm

Are there stories out there about her from laid off HP employees?

Testy Toad T Dec 11, 2015 • 12:52:30pm

If there is no connection between a national figure’s discussion of X and domestic terrorists proceeding to go shoot up X, it means the national figure isn’t really much of a national figure, doesn’t it?

Carly, you’re either culpable or useless, and actually I urge you to reject the tyranny of “or”.

Unabogie Dec 11, 2015 • 12:52:31pm

Is there a transcript, or do I really have to watch this trainwreck?

wrenchwench Dec 11, 2015 • 12:55:53pm

‘Liberals try to shut down’ people while they blah blah blah on national TV. Carly, Carly, Carly.

And ‘Ooops’ on the ‘murder’ misstatement on Giffords. Perhaps Carly was affected by incendiary rhetoric.

WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 12:56:15pm

Between her inability to understand the GOP trademark talking point of Personal Responsibility to the “I know you are but what am I?” approach to all reasonable, but uncomfortable, questions, she should be up there with Carson.

Skip Intro Dec 11, 2015 • 12:56:42pm

But her most outrageous lie may be her claim that no one in the “pro-life” movement celebrated the Colorado attack

Except, that is, the pro-lifer who carried out the murders.

b.d. Dec 11, 2015 • 12:57:35pm

I am so glad that in a few short months I will never have to hear about this horrid woman ever again.

darthstar Dec 11, 2015 • 12:58:42pm

This Donald Trump related correction in the Globe is maybe the funniest thing you’ll read today. pic.twitter.com/dQKqxXGgsc

— Steve Ladurantaye (@sladurantaye) December 11, 2015

Testy Toad T Dec 11, 2015 • 12:58:58pm

re: #8 b.d.

I am so glad that in a few short months I will never have to hear about this horrid woman ever again.

That’s what I said after she burned down HP!

Never say never. I remember the heady days of late 2008 when I was finally never again going to have to hear the name Sarah Palin.

mr.fusion Dec 11, 2015 • 12:59:05pm

First of all, she complains about President Obama’s rhetoric — are Democrats out there shooting up Republican campaign offices? Did I miss that? I know that Planned Parenthood clinics are being shot up and firebombed, but maybe the liberal media is burying all the shootings taking place at Republican campaign offices.

Second - I just can’t stand Fiorina. Just her cadence and the way she talks — it’s basically “what the hell don’t you understand about what I’m telling you? Why are you so dumb?”

Thank Dog she has no shot at becoming president. I wouldn’t be able to stand listening to her for four years.

WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 1:00:36pm

re: #7 Skip Intro

But her most outrageous lie may be her claim that no one in the “pro-life” movement celebrated the Colorado attack

Except, that is, the pro-lifer who carried out the murders.

She’s referring to the thousands of people cheering - like who Donald saw after 9/11.

You know…only 1000+ counts.

And while I didn’t see any cheering, per se, I sure saw a lot of mansplaining and his-heart-was-in-the-right-place shit.

ObserverArt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:00:39pm

I asked in the last thread…is her constant eye blinking a tell that she is lying her ass off? I notice she does that all the time when she is shoveling the bull dung. Maybe it’s just a physical thing, but it sure is noticeable.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Dec 11, 2015 • 1:01:30pm

re: #8 b.d.

I am so glad that in a few short months I will never have to hear about this horrid woman ever again.

Can’t come soon enough.

Dark_Falcon Dec 11, 2015 • 1:02:14pm

re: #1 Brian J.

Why isn’t this woman cooling her heels in the Colorado state pen, for incitement and slander at the least?

Because as a rule incitement requires that someone actually urge people to use unlawful violence and Fiorina did not do that.

Targetpractice Dec 11, 2015 • 1:03:14pm

Anyone remember that time in the campaign where people seriously entertained her as president because she came off looking “strong” after an insult backfire from Trump?

WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 1:03:55pm

re: #11 mr.fusion

First of all, she complains about President Obama’s rhetoric — are Democrats out there shooting up Republican campaign offices? Did I miss that? I know that Planned Parenthood clinics are being shot up and firebombed, but maybe the liberal media is burying all the shootings taking place at Republican campaign offices.

Second - I just can’t stand Fiorina. Just her cadence and the way she talks — it’s basically “what the hell don’t you understand about what I’m telling you? Why are you so dumb?”

Thank Dog she has no shot at becoming president. I wouldn’t be able to stand listening to her for four years.

Inorite? That stick is so far up her pompous ass that it affects her speech.

wrenchwench Dec 11, 2015 • 1:05:38pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Because as a rule incitement requires that someone actually urge people to use unlawful violence and Fiorina did not do that.

She knows where the line is. She walked right up to it.

WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 1:06:09pm

re: #14 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Can’t come soon enough.

She’ll be out there as someone’s mouthpiece. I’m thinking Trump because he’s a dickhead biznuzmin, which appeals to a bitch like Carly.

Dark_Falcon Dec 11, 2015 • 1:06:50pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

Anyone remember that time in the campaign where people seriously entertained her as president because she came off looking “strong” after an insult backfire from Trump?

It was a good moment, not because of Carly Fiorina but because those considering her were rejecting Trumps misogyny.

Dark_Falcon Dec 11, 2015 • 1:07:29pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

She knows where the line is. She walked right up to it.

True, but she didn’t step across it.

ObserverArt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:07:31pm

re: #11 mr.fusion

Second - I just can’t stand Fiorina. Just her cadence and the way she talks — it’s basically “what the hell don’t you understand about what I’m telling you? Why are you so dumb?”

You mean the “What the hell. Don’t you understand. About. What. I am. Telling you?” Why. Are. You. So Dumb?.

With the 500 eye blinks for the length of the statement and the extra whipped smugness on top.

ObserverArt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:08:17pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

Anyone remember that time in the campaign where people seriously entertained her as president because she came off looking “strong” after an insult backfire from Trump?

Her high point. It’s been down down down since.

Shiplord Kirel Dec 11, 2015 • 1:08:20pm

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wrenchwench Dec 11, 2015 • 1:11:27pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

True, but she didn’t step across it.

I don’t excuse that kind of behavior. People died, and continue to die, because so many don’t care about women’s needs.

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 1:11:30pm

she has regressed back to well deserved “carly who?” status

fuck her

Targetpractice Dec 11, 2015 • 1:11:36pm

re: #23 ObserverArt

Her high point. It’s been down down down since.

Yeah, she was the Flavor of the Week, before the wingnut base suddenly found themselves lost in the glassy-eyed stare of Ben Carson. But now even he’s falling by the wayside, as the base realizes after Paris that the guy who gave them warm fuzzies over their mutual hatred of Latinos is now extending that hate to Muslims. If he comes out against communists, he’ll have hit the trifecta.

lawhawk Dec 11, 2015 • 1:11:49pm

Fiorina claims to be running for the WH on the strength of her business experience, which can be summed up thusly:

1) I nearly destroyed HP, a legendary tech company with a) an ill conceived merger with Compaq, and b) proposed a multibillion dollar acquisition of a tech consulting firm, which the board overruled and which IBM purchased for a fraction of the proposed price I requested; and
2) I pretty much destroyed Bell Labs (yes, that Bell Labs) after it was spun off as Lucent, when I allowed all kinds of accounting shenanigans to go on with booking deals with companies. The true extent of the mess came to light after she left to go to HP.

It was a swell gig for her, as she booked tons of salary but tens of thousands lost their jobs, and she destroyed the stock value of those companies. LU never recovered.

Her character and judgment are thoroughly lacking, and the bogus CMP video episodes is just symptomatic of her bad crazy.

WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 1:12:20pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

I don’t excuse that kind of behavior. People died, and continue to die, because so many don’t care about women’s needs.

Or the truth.

ObserverArt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:12:37pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

She knows where the line is. She walked right up to it.

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

True, but she didn’t step across it.

I think the line changes depending on who is receiving it. Obviously a nutter like Dear took it way more to heart than maybe someone a little clearer thinking.

That is why her rhetoric is dangerous. She isn’t aware enough that that kind of thing can stir up the bad crazy way too much. Running for the GOP nomination puts her thoughts in front of a lot more people than if she was just saying it to someone she knows.

I think that falls under that GOP “Party of Responsibility™” umbrella.

Not fit for office. Fit to be tied.

Testy Toad T Dec 11, 2015 • 1:13:40pm

re: #28 lawhawk

“I’m campaigning as a businesswoman, because this country should be run like a business or whatever.”
“Carly, you were by any metric a _terrible_ businesswoman.”
…
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“BABBY PARTS!!!1”

darthstar Dec 11, 2015 • 1:13:47pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

She knows where the line is. She walked right up to it.

She crossed it. She said, out loud, with 23 million people watching the debate, that Planned Parenthood was chopping up baby parts and selling them at the Farmer’s market.

You can’t say shit like that to 23 million people and not expect some asshole to take it as a call to action.

Dr. Matt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:15:02pm

re: #28 lawhawk

She’s looking to cash-in on wingnut welfare for the next few years. See: Sarah Palin.

wrenchwench Dec 11, 2015 • 1:15:26pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

I think the line changes depending on who is receiving it. Obviously a nutter like Dear took it way more to heart than maybe someone a little clearer thinking.

That is why her rhetoric is dangerous. She isn’t aware enough that that kind of thing can stir up the bad crazy way too much. Running for the GOP nomination puts her thoughts in front of a lot more people than if she was just saying it to someone she knows.

I think that falls under that GOP “Party of ResponsibilityTM” umbrella.

Not fit for office. Fit to be tied.

The word ‘stochastic’ is not blunt enough to describe the rhetoric that ‘excuses’ murder.

WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 1:16:12pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

That is why her rhetoric is dangerous. She isn’t aware enough that that kind of thing can stir up the bad crazy way too much.

Facts not in evidence

lawhawk Dec 11, 2015 • 1:16:59pm

BTW, Trump’s campaign flacks are now getting/recycling Hoft tweets (video of Carter & Iranian immigration restrictions which is not the same as banning all Muslims as Trump proposed):

It’s only constitutional when Democrat President does it. U know, like invading sovereign countries & undeclared war https://t.co/Njo7LEQP2P

— Katrina Pierson (@KatrinaPierson) December 11, 2015

Yet another reminder why shining a spotlight on these detestable know-nothings is so important. They’re spreading their noxious ignorance to the highest levels.

ObserverArt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:17:51pm

re: #35 WhatEVs

Facts not in evidence

I understand. But I have a feeling with her arrogance she never even gave it a thought. Just like so many in the GOP.

WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 1:18:50pm

re: #37 ObserverArt

I understand. But I hAve a feeling with her arrogance she never even gave it a thought. Just like so many in the GOP.

Yeah. I buy that. Most of them are oblivious. Or just don’t give a shit.

CuriousLurker Dec 11, 2015 • 1:19:02pm

Good lord, I hadn’t really paid much attention to Fiorina. She’s incredibly obnoxious.

KGxvi Dec 11, 2015 • 1:19:41pm

re: #1 Brian J.

Why isn’t this woman cooling her heels in the Colorado state pen, for incitement and slander at the least?

Because incitement has timing and intention requirements that would not cover her statements. And slander is a tort, not a crime, and also hard to prove - see Johnson, Chuck.

Dark_Falcon Dec 11, 2015 • 1:21:16pm

re: #32 darthstar

She crossed it. She said, out loud, with 23 million people watching the debate, that Planned Parenthood was chopping up baby parts and selling them at the Farmer’s market.

You can’t say shit like that to 23 million people and not expect some asshole to take it as a call to action.

The law doesn’t agree. And even if it did you’d have to prove that Robert Dear heard her in order for the charge to stick.

lockjawcanbefun Dec 11, 2015 • 1:21:40pm

She really has all the warmth and charm of an obscene Christmas card.

ObserverArt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:22:31pm

re: #36 lawhawk

BTW, Trump’s campaign flacks are now getting/recycling Hoft tweets (video of Carter & Iranian immigration restrictions which is not the same as banning all Muslims as Trump proposed):

Katrina Pierson @KatrinaPierson
It’s only constitutional when Democrat President does it. U know, like invading sovereign countries & undeclared war

Now There’s Video=> Jimmy Carter Bans Iranian Immigrants, Deports Students During Hostage Crisis https://t.co/hKprUk0l0f @gatewaypundit

— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) December 11, 2015

…
10:03 AM - 11 Dec 2015

Oh no…not her again. I caught her act on MSNBC the other night. She is not even good at bullshitting.

You know, many here at LGF wonder how this can go on and on. We have a problem. We use our brains in combination with all of our other receptors. These talking heads can say what they want and do because they know others want to hear it. They don’t care about the people that are aware. They just want to build that voter base.

A base built on quicksand.

CuriousLurker Dec 11, 2015 • 1:24:33pm

Anyway, I just came to drop off this story:

After 68 years, a Syrian great-grandmother comes home… to her Jewish family in Israel

Rachel Elkayam, the third of 10 children, was a 16-year-old girl living in the mixed Jewish-Arab city of Haifa in 1947 when her parents moved the family to Tel Aviv. Conflict between pre-state Israel and the Arab world was escalating, ahead of the following year’s declaration of Israeli independence and the full-scale war that then erupted, and the Elkayams believed they would be safer in the center of Israel than the north. But Rachel, a rebellious child, had fallen in love with one of her Arab neighbors, Fuad, and was pregnant with his child. “I loved him, and he loved me,” Rachel Elkayam told Israel’s Channel 2 news in a report on her remarkable life story, broadcast on Friday night.

Fuad’s family came to Tel Aviv to find her, and she went back to Haifa with them, and married her young love in a ceremony that she kept secret from her parents. In fact, from the day she disappeared in Tel Aviv, the family never knew what had befallen her, and always presumed that she was dead. […]

KGxvi Dec 11, 2015 • 1:25:12pm

As much as I dislike Fiornia, she really didn’t come close to incitement under Brandenburg v. Ohio. You have to show that speech is directed to inciting, and is likely to incite, imminent lawless action. I’m not sure you can establish any of the three prongs (intent, likelihood, and imminence) based on what she said at a presidential debate.

ObserverArt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:25:52pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

The law doesn’t agree. And even if it did you’d have to prove that Robert Dear heard her in order for the charge to stick.

Dark, I know you have said you take things very literal. I agree about the law.

But damn it, sometimes if you want to be an actual leader that inspires you have to know better.

Again. Unfit for office.

WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 1:26:14pm

re: #42 lockjawcanbefun

She really has all the warmth and charm of an obscene Christmas card.

More like a scorpion. And we’re all frogs.

Dark_Falcon Dec 11, 2015 • 1:26:21pm

re: #45 KGxvi

As much as I dislike Fiornia, she really didn’t come close to incitement under Brandenburg v. Ohio. You have to show that speech is directed to inciting, and is likely to incite, imminent lawless action. I’m not sure you can establish any of the three prongs (intent, likelihood, and imminence) based on what she said at a presidential debate.

Quite Concur. Fiorina lied, that much is certain, but incitement is a very different matter.

ObserverArt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:26:57pm

re: #42 lockjawcanbefun

She really has all the warmth and charm of an obscene Christmas card.

Why do you have a war with Christmas???

Testy Toad T Dec 11, 2015 • 1:27:34pm

“This candidate representing my party, technically, by the letter of the law, should not be in jail for encouraging people to shoot up abortion clinics.”

Inspiring stuff from the usual rhetorical infantry of the Grand Old Party.

darthstar Dec 11, 2015 • 1:30:42pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

The law doesn’t agree. And even if it did you’d have to prove that Robert Dear heard her in order for the charge to stick.

That’s the wonderful thing about the court of public opinion. You’re free to defend her while I find her guilty of reckless rhetoric and inciting people like Dear to violence and I sentence her to the bottom of the polls.

darthstar Dec 11, 2015 • 1:34:22pm

This lady went to the Sarah Palin School of Word Salad Tossing.

So a bunch of people are planning to burn Qurans in DC tomorrow. Here’s one of the braintrusts behind the event: pic.twitter.com/bu8PGDS1Go

— Jill Filipovic (@JillFilipovic) December 11, 2015

makeitstop Dec 11, 2015 • 1:34:59pm

re: #39 CuriousLurker

Good lord, I hadn’t really paid much attention to Fiorina. She’s incredibly obnoxious.

I see not a single redeeming quality in her public persona. She’s smug, hostile, condescending and not above lying her ass off to make a point.

And the worst part? That’s probably her private persona, too.

CuriousLurker Dec 11, 2015 • 1:35:06pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

The law doesn’t agree. And even if it did you’d have to prove that Robert Dear heard her in order for the charge to stick.

There’s legal responsibility and moral responsibility. Being free from the former doesn’t absolve one from the necessity of the latter. The quality of being willing to own up to one’s morally responsibility is extremely important in a leader, at least it is in my book.

The party of “personal responsibility” my ass.

CriticalDragon1177 Dec 11, 2015 • 1:35:18pm

Trump has been planning this for a while, folks pic.twitter.com/3KfSKuqVmw

— Maple Cocaine (@historyinflicks) December 11, 2015

And he was idiotic even back than.

darthstar Dec 11, 2015 • 1:35:42pm

re: #52 darthstar

This lady went to the Sarah Palin School of Word Salad Tossing.

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@JillFilipovic That’s not to say this lady is anything close to Faulkner.

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) December 11, 2015

Brian J. Dec 11, 2015 • 1:36:46pm

re: #52 darthstar

This lady went to the Sarah Palin School of Word Salad Tossing.

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That looks more like a word milkshake. No punctuation, little capitalization, multiple spellings for every difficult word. She can’t really be this dumb, can she?

CriticalDragon1177 Dec 11, 2015 • 1:37:05pm

Holy gay sexcapades!

Cardinal Dolan knew ALL about how these two lovebirds would get in the bathtub and swim in pee https://t.co/s5jA0DzQ9O

— Wonkette (@Wonkette) December 11, 2015

freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 1:37:42pm

re: #43 ObserverArt

Yeah, that Carter-banned-the-Iranians bit is going around Facebook as some sort of proof that Trump actually has a good idea.

People are looking for all kinds of justifications for their bigotry.

Testy Toad T Dec 11, 2015 • 1:38:39pm

Because if there’s anybody I’m used to hearing Republicans cite as a source of fabulous policy ideas, it’s Jimmy fucking Carter.

CriticalDragon1177 Dec 11, 2015 • 1:39:12pm

Wow we’re getting good at detecting things that are far away!

NASA Telescopes Detect Jupiter-Like Storm on Small Star. https://t.co/mvC1EHuUXe pic.twitter.com/AAihF6wbkt

— Fraser Cain (@fcain) December 11, 2015

darthstar Dec 11, 2015 • 1:39:18pm

Is Rubio wearing a rug?

Defense contractors bragged about “driving the national debate on foreign policy.” https://t.co/PjRlGGJye0 pic.twitter.com/ZGucX1lSUK

— The Intercept (@the_intercept) December 11, 2015

HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 1:39:44pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

The law doesn’t agree. And even if it did you’d have to prove that Robert Dear heard her in order for the charge to stick.

Maybe not legally but people like her continue to lie about PP and for what? Political gian. Really dude fuck your party.

ObserverArt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:40:02pm

re: #52 darthstar

This lady went to the Sarah Palin School of Word Salad Tossing.

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Her twit bio…

Writer. Lawyer. Eater. Formerly @Cosmopolitan senior political writer, @GuardianUS columnist, @Feministe blogger.

Yeesh.

worldknot Dec 11, 2015 • 1:40:04pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

The law doesn’t agree. And even if it did you’d have to prove that Robert Dear heard her in order for the charge to stick.

That’s what makes stochastic terrorism so dangerous—there’s no law to stop it.

freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 1:40:11pm

re: #62 darthstar

A PNAC rug maybe.

A Mom Anon Dec 11, 2015 • 1:40:30pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

She also KNOWS SHE’S LYING. What she said she saw and heard doesn’t exist. Legal or not, she’s full of shit and she knows she is. Like many wealthy people, she’s also in a bubble where she can’t see anything that displeases her or makes her uncomfortable. That she isn’t doing anything illegal doesn’t really matter, she’s part of a larger machine that is doing this shit on purpose. No one can tell me that the people running these campaigns don’t know what the result of all this incitement is. I don’t buy it.

Targetpractice Dec 11, 2015 • 1:40:56pm

re: #53 makeitstop

I see not a single redeeming quality in her public persona. She’s smug, hostile, condescending and not above lying her ass off to make a point.

And the worst part? That’s probably her private persona, too.

Carly Fiorina is everything that the GOP tries to regularly portray Hillary Clinton as, which they view as the sign of a “strong” woman when you’ve an (R) beside your name.

Dark_Falcon Dec 11, 2015 • 1:40:57pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

Why do you have a war with Christmas???

/

That war started when Russia deployed S-400 batteries in the Arctic. NORAD’s going to have to have EA-18G Growlers escorting Santa Claus this year and the cost for the missions was going to have to be recouped via cuts to food stamps. Thankfully, the cuts are going to be avoided because Canada’s new PM Trudeau wants to triangulate on matters military so Boeing got him to agree to buy and fly the 4 EA-18Gs needed to protect Santa both inbound and from the North Pole.

NORAD’s not worried about Russia’s MiG-31Ms, since they’re outmatched by the USAF F-22s based out of Alaska.

//Fighter and procurement humor.

CriticalDragon1177 Dec 11, 2015 • 1:42:20pm

“Grandson of Jewish refugees says: Never again is now!” at pro-refugee rally at Trump Tower https://t.co/3BlULgD6Wz pic.twitter.com/JtxLQgFR5K

— Ben Norton (@BenjaminNorton) December 11, 2015

Dark_Falcon Dec 11, 2015 • 1:43:06pm

re: #67 A Mom Anon

One must know an untruth is an untruth or have good reason to believe it is, in order to tell a lie. An untruth that you honestly thought was the truth is not a lie.

darthstar Dec 11, 2015 • 1:43:10pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Her twit bio…

Yeesh.

That’s just the lady who tweeted the lady who writes like shit.

Khal Wimpo Dec 11, 2015 • 1:43:47pm

I may have missed this in the previous thread - been in and out today, dealing with co-workers possibly committing felonies & having to have heavy discussions with counsel. However, allow me to thank our gracious host here for promoting my page about the Sandy Hook families and the Hoaxers. (also posted as a comment on my page)

Thanks for the featured position and the Tweet. I worried a bit when posting this - as I wrote, I don’t want to do anything that smacks of doxxing or hair-trigger webvigilantism. Those are the tactics of the bullies, of CCJ, SMOTI and their ilk.

But the families of these murdered children are fighting this all by themselves. And in the absence of help, of recognition that this battle is even going on, the Hoaxers win.

CriticalDragon1177 Dec 11, 2015 • 1:43:49pm

Seriously Alan?

pic.twitter.com/ED6H62iXgq

— O. Alan Noble (@TheAlanNoble) December 11, 2015

HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 1:44:11pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

One must know an untruth is an untruth or have good reason to believe it is, in order to tell a lie. An untruth that you honestly thought was the truth is not a lie.

You really think she believes she was telling the truth? That’s adorable. She chose to lie about PP because she knows your party’s base believes that PP is up there with Hitler, Stalin, and Mao on terms of evil. That’s what she did it. To think otherwise is to have your head up your butt.

freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 1:44:17pm

Trump still rocking the New Hampshire polling. As this continues I suspect we’ll see more than just Cruz and Sessions starting to show some luv to Trump:

WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 1:44:40pm

re: #57 Brian J.

That looks more like a word milkshake. No punctuation, little capitalization, multiple spellings for every difficult word. She can’t really be this dumb, can she?

Not to mention spelling her co-permit holders differently throughout.

Man, reading that hurt.

darthstar Dec 11, 2015 • 1:45:09pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

One must know an untruth is an untruth or have good reason to believe it is, in order to tell a lie. An untruth that you honestly thought was the truth is not a lie.

Carly was full of shit and she knew it. You’re deluding yourself if you believe for one second that she didn’t.

HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 1:45:55pm

Hey guys I believe that Marco Rubio lures children into his gingerbread house. I have no proof otherwise but I believe it so!

Targetpractice Dec 11, 2015 • 1:46:03pm

re: #76 freetoken

Trump still rocking the New Hampshire polling. As this continues I suspect we’ll see more than just Cruz and Sessions starting to show some luv to Trump:

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The closer we get to Iowa and New Hampshire, the more obvious it becomes the GOP takes the idea of a Trump nomination seriously. Six months ago, they could blow him off as a flash in the pan. Even three months ago, they were sure that he’d flag in the polls and that would be the end of him.

Now he’s all but screaming in German during his speeches and the base absolutely loves him. Rinsed is looking down the barrel of a Trump nomination and has nothing but the slim hope that Ted Cruz can serve as a spoiler.

Testy Toad T Dec 11, 2015 • 1:46:06pm

re: #76 freetoken

Trump still rocking the New Hampshire polling. As this continues I suspect we’ll see more than just Cruz and Sessions starting to show some luv to Trump:

The consistency in his fav/unfav is downright remarkable. I think this is evidence that there really is some sort of hard ceiling on his support in the primary.

bratwurst Dec 11, 2015 • 1:46:28pm

re: #36 lawhawk

BTW, Trump’s campaign flacks are now getting/recycling Hoft tweets (video of Carter & Iranian immigration restrictions which is not the same as banning all Muslims as Trump proposed):
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I am gratified that nobody higher on the GOP food chain than Dim Jim and Trump supporters are running with this Carter did it too!!!11!! business. The internet derp-o-sphere was on fire with it a few days ago.

wrenchwench Dec 11, 2015 • 1:46:30pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

One must know an untruth is an untruth or have good reason to believe it is, in order to tell a lie. An untruth that you honestly thought was the truth is not a lie.

Carly IS lying. She knows she has not seen the thing that does not exist.

CriticalDragon1177 Dec 11, 2015 • 1:46:55pm

Privileged but unqualified white girl could destroy affirmative action

Hey, #AbigailFisher, news flash. https://t.co/bsvvk11wyv #StayMadAbby pic.twitter.com/5KdzQokaOx

— The Nightly Show (@nightlyshow) December 11, 2015

HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 1:47:17pm

A Fistful of Derp starring the entire GOP.

Khal Wimpo Dec 11, 2015 • 1:48:08pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

One must know an untruth is an untruth or have good reason to believe it is, in order to tell a lie. An untruth that you honestly thought was the truth is not a lie.

Perhaps. But the sticking point is with the “honestly thought.” I think that a lot of the wild pronouncements by GOP candidates that are dismissed as honest mistakes actually verge into the “making shit up that they know will appeal to the darker fears and hatreds of likely primary voters” category. Post facto, the candidates then throw up their hands and say that it was an “honest mistake” because the untruth so closely fits the narrative that they want to feed to these people to procure their attention and loyalty.

The untruths that are told cynically then spill over and become part of the background worldview of the GOP base. Kind of like how it’s accepted truth now that Al Gore claimed to have invented the internet, or that there really were weapons of mass destruction hidden all over Iraq.

ObserverArt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:48:31pm

re: #70 CriticalDragon1177

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Go get ‘em people of New York!

Damn, it’s good to see so many are not buying his TRUMP® Brand of Bullshit.

There seemed to be a nice group of protesters last evening when those cops were giving him his award and endorsement too.

Take’n’ it to the streets.

CriticalDragon1177 Dec 11, 2015 • 1:48:37pm

Good news!

The majority of Americans don’t support Trump’s ban on Muslims, a U.S. poll finds https://t.co/SvfjFmnv9q pic.twitter.com/utc6OuVG8R

— Yahoo News (@YahooNews) December 11, 2015

mr.fusion Dec 11, 2015 • 1:48:38pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

The closer we get to Iowa and New Hampshire, the more obvious it becomes the GOP takes the idea of a Trump nomination seriously. Six months ago, they could blow him off as a flash in the pan. Even three months ago, they were sure that he’d flag in the polls and that would be the end of him.

Now he’s all but screaming in German during his speeches and the base absolutely loves him. Rinsed is looking down the barrel of a Trump nomination and has nothing but the slim hope that Ted Cruz can serve as a spoiler.

The only hope for the future of the GOP is to excommunicate Trump from the party now and just live with the fact that they’re going to lose this election.

They can either distance themselves from Trump now and lose this election or they can continue down this path of destruction and brand themselves as the party of Trump for an entire generation. The harm he is doing to the Republican Party is irreversible

darthstar Dec 11, 2015 • 1:49:08pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

You really think she believes she was telling the truth? That’s adorable. She chose to lie about PP because she knows your party’s base believes that PP is up there with Hitler, Stalin, and Mao on terms of evil. That’s what she did it. To think otherwise is to have your head up your butt.

I’d write this one up to willful ignorance on Dark’s part if I didn’t think he was just being insincere. Carly didn’t get where she is by not knowing what she was saying.

freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 1:49:11pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

Now he’s all but screaming in German during his speeches and the base absolutely loves him.

Trump: TIME Picked The Wrong Person, Merkel Is “Doing Tremendous Damage” To Germany With Muslim Immigration

Donald Trump speaks with Fox and Friends about being snubbed (in his mind) for Time Magazine’s Person of the Year in favor of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, a champion for bringing Syrian refugees to Europe.

TRUMP: You see what’s happening with the hundred thousand refugees, Germany is in turmoil, crime all over the place…

We should build a safe zone in the middle east, and not destroy all of Europe…

When they chose her, I was actually very surprised.

Trump stands by plan to temporarily ban Muslims entering US

The father-land is being over-run by foreigners.

Testy Toad T Dec 11, 2015 • 1:49:45pm

Meanwhile, at the Politico braintrust:

Insiders: Trump independent bid would ruin GOP chances

wow
much sources
very insight
such politico

Targetpractice Dec 11, 2015 • 1:49:51pm

re: #84 CriticalDragon1177

Privileged but unqualified white girl could destroy affirmative action

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When you have a Supreme Court case bearing your name, the odds are that future employers are going to ask themselves if dealing with you is worth the headaches. Worse when the substance of the case boils down to “I would have gotten into UT if not for those five black kids ahead of me in line!” It says you’re not up to snuff and that you feel entitled, things that do not impress during job interviews.

HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 1:50:15pm

Here’s the thing. There’s no accountability. No one willing to tell Fiorina in her party that she’s a liar and that PP is NOT a modern day Dr. Mengele. Hell I bet even Carly herself has benefited from the services PP provides.

CuriousLurker Dec 11, 2015 • 1:50:48pm

re: #54 CuriousLurker

There’s legal responsibility and moral responsibility. Being free from the former doesn’t absolve one from the necessity of the latter. The quality of being willing to own up to one’s morally responsibility is extremely important in a leader, at least it is in my book.

The party of “personal responsibility” my ass.

I would add that everyone should note that many of the same people who say Fiorina shouldn’t be (morally) blamed have no problem blaming all Muslims for the rhetoric & bad actions of a few, are quite willing to blame BLM for cops getting killed, etc.

Either one bears moral responsibility for ALL of one’s words & actions or one doesn’t. There is no picking & choosing here—attempting to do so immediately destroys one’s personal integrity. Period. Full stop.

WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 1:50:50pm

re: #62 darthstar

Is Rubio wearing a rug?

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Does look like a fabulous combover, dudinit?

freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 1:50:59pm

“Destroy Europe” = letting in immigrants from the Middle East.

Yup, that’s what Trump is saying.

HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 1:51:02pm

re: #90 darthstar

I’d write this one up to willful ignorance on Dark’s part if I didn’t think he was just being insincere. Carly didn’t get where she is by not knowing what she was saying.

Right, she knew exactly what this was. It was a calculated political move.

KGxvi Dec 11, 2015 • 1:51:23pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

typically the law goes with “knows or should have known” for most torts and a decent number of crimes. The facts here are clear that she should have known what she was saying was untrue. Willful ignorance of the truth is not a defense. And the only people I can honestly say are more willfully ignorant than Fiorina are Trump and Carson.

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Targetpractice Dec 11, 2015 • 1:51:25pm

re: #89 mr.fusion

The only hope for the future of the GOP is to excommunicate Trump from the party now and just live with the fact that they’re going to lose this election.

They can either distance themselves from Trump now and lose this election or they can continue down this path of destruction and brand themselves as the party of Trump for an entire generation. The harm he is doing to the Republican Party is irreversible

The thing is, the next guy in line is Ted Cruz, who’s every bit as whacked as Trump but isn’t getting the same level of publicity. Behind him is Carson and Rubio fighting for who can say canned lines in the sexist manner.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 1:51:33pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

I would add that everyone should note that many of the same people who say Fiorina shouldn’t be (morally) blamed have no problem blaming all Muslims for the rhetoric & bad actions of a few, are quite willing to blame BLM for cops getting killed, etc.

Either one bears moral responsibility for ALL of one’s words & actions or one doesn’t. There is no picking & choosing here—attempting to do so immediately destroys one’s personal integrity. Period. Full stop.

Ding!

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CriticalDragon1177 Dec 11, 2015 • 1:51:35pm

LOL!

Britain is now so radicalised the Queen publicly beheads people guilty of singing & dancing #TrumpFacts pic.twitter.com/1nfwmwaZuD

— Mike Hind (@MikeH_PR) December 9, 2015

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makeitstop Dec 11, 2015 • 1:52:25pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Her twit bio…

Yeesh.

Yeah, I’m not buying that for a second. Any self respecting editor would have smothered her in her sleep.

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ObserverArt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:52:36pm

re: #72 darthstar

That’s just the lady who tweeted the lady who writes like shit.

I see that now. Thanks.

But the composer of that screed…yeesh!

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Dark_Falcon Dec 11, 2015 • 1:52:54pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

re: #83 wrenchwench

Carly IS lying. She knows she has not seen the thing that does not exist.

I know she’s lying. What was trying and failing to point out is that saying “She also KNOWS SHE’S LYING” is redundant.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 1:53:22pm

re: #102 CriticalDragon1177

LOL!

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Hahahah.

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CriticalDragon1177 Dec 11, 2015 • 1:53:48pm

Minecraft in real life!

Checkout @okaytobesmart Could Planet $Minecraft Actually Exist? https://t.co/yVi1n2T3p5 #Science #VideoGames #CubicPlanets

— CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1) December 11, 2015

Could Scottish students use @minecraft to study history? Yes, says an education lecturer: https://t.co/AgMSTnKgex pic.twitter.com/Np6ZhSZVQt

— Scotsman (@TheScotsman) December 11, 2015

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 1:54:20pm

Palm Fucking Springs. Grandpa’s on the loose.

MOSQUE UPDATE: Mosque officials say someone tossed Molotov cocktail inside, KESQ reports https://t.co/IaOBVB6zr4

— ABC7 Eyewitness News (@ABC7) December 11, 2015

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CuriousLurker Dec 11, 2015 • 1:54:21pm

re: #67 A Mom Anon

She also KNOWS SHE’S LYING. What she said she saw and heard doesn’t exist. Legal or not, she’s full of shit and she knows she is. Like many wealthy people, she’s also in a bubble where she can’t see anything that displeases her or makes her uncomfortable. That she isn’t doing anything illegal doesn’t really matter, she’s part of a larger machine that is doing this shit on purpose. No one can tell me that the people running these campaigns don’t know what the result of all this incitement is. I don’t buy it.

I guarantee you if it was radical Muslims preaching hatred in mosques or militant minority groups screaming about the evils of the white man, they’d instantly be accused of incitement and held responsible for any violence that followed.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 1:54:33pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

I know she’s lying. What was trying and failing to point out is that saying “She also KNOWS SHE’S LYING” is redundant.

Can you answer me this? Why is this sort of lying acceptable in your party? Why is it acceptable to attack the name of an organization that does a ton of good things for poor women especially’s health? What the fuck is your party’s fucking problem where this is acceptable?

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mr.fusion Dec 11, 2015 • 1:54:57pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

The thing is, the next guy in line is Ted Cruz, who’s every bit as whacked as Trump but isn’t getting the same level of publicity. Behind him is Carson and Rubio fighting for who can say canned lines in the sexist manner.

But at least he’s not completely unhinged and actually has a resume beyond “son of a rich guy and reality TV star.” Trump has ZERO business even being in this race, let alone the frontrunner.

I’m saying that the GOP is going to get completely crushed in 2016 — it’s beyond a doubt now — but it’s up to them to start the rebuilding process now. If they try and wait until after the election it will be too late

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 1:55:12pm

re: #108 Stanley Sea Toujours

Palm Fucking Springs. Grandpa’s on the loose.

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This isn’t going to end. People are going to die because of this hateful hsit.

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CriticalDragon1177 Dec 11, 2015 • 1:55:26pm

Is this a Star Wars reference?

Superbug Named ‘Phantom Menace’: Here’s Why: https://t.co/7la7ZN0qr3 pic.twitter.com/CSoOpIy6PB

— Discovery News (@DNews) December 11, 2015

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 1:55:26pm

I don’t know how any talking-head panel on cable TV can be as malevolently stupid as Faux and Friends.

This is a strange universe.

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mr.fusion Dec 11, 2015 • 1:56:06pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

This isn’t going to end. People are going to die because of this hateful hsit.

If only Obama and rhetorics and transgendered leftist activists and garble arble

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ObserverArt Dec 11, 2015 • 1:56:13pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

I would add that everyone should note that many of the same people who say Fiorina shouldn’t be (morally) blamed have no problem blaming all Muslims for the rhetoric & bad actions of a few, are quite willing to blame BLM for cops getting killed, etc.

Either one bears moral responsibility for ALL of one’s words & actions or one doesn’t. There is no picking & choosing here—attempting to do so immediately destroys one’s personal integrity. Period. Full stop.

You tell’em CL!

And with that…later lizards.

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Nyet Dec 11, 2015 • 1:56:41pm

re: #45 KGxvi

As much as I dislike Fiornia, she really didn’t come close to incitement under Brandenburg v. Ohio. You have to show that speech is directed to inciting, and is likely to incite, imminent lawless action. I’m not sure you can establish any of the three prongs (intent, likelihood, and imminence) based on what she said at a presidential debate.

Well, sure. But neither has anyone claimed that she incited under Brandenburg v. Ohio.

She simply incited.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 1:57:21pm

Anyhow this is ACORN all over again. Yes, PP may well be asolved in any wrongdoing like ACORN was but like ACORN, their name and reputation will be sullied and it will be mission accomplished. Who cares if some poor women go without health care? That’s a not a problem for Carly or the other Republican candidates lying about it because they’re ont the ones who are going to be screwed by PP being closed down in many states due to hostile environments and damn straight I find the politicians like Fiorina responsible.

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Targetpractice Dec 11, 2015 • 1:58:42pm

re: #111 mr.fusion

But at least he’s not completely unhinged and actually has a resume beyond “son of a rich guy and reality TV star.” Trump has ZERO business even being in this race, let alone the frontrunner.

I’m saying that the GOP is going to get completely crushed in 2016 — it’s beyond a doubt now — but it’s up to them to start the rebuilding process now. If they try and wait until after the election it will be too late

The GOP is like a drug addict: It’s totally convinced that it’s fine even as it slides into ruin, it refuses to accept help of any kind, and the things that it thinks are helping are in actuality hurting it more and more. The time to stage an intervention was six months ago, when Trump first became a rising star on a platform of hatred towards “illegals.”

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dholmes32 Dec 11, 2015 • 1:59:47pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

When you have a Supreme Court case bearing your name, the odds are that future employers are going to ask themselves if dealing with you is worth the headaches. Worse when the substance of the case boils down to “I would have gotten into UT if not for those five black kids ahead of me in line!” It says you’re not up to snuff and that you feel entitled, things that do not impress during job interviews.

Abigail Fisher annoys me. She was told what to do to get into UT Austin. Go to another UT System school, take 30 hours, make a 3.2 GPA and she could transfer in. That’s how I got into UT 35 years ago (except I went the community college route). But no, Abigail Fisher was too good for that.

The percentage of African Americans at UT-Austin today hovers around 4 percent, while the the population of Texas is 11.8 percent African American. As far as I’m concerned, UT can use more students of color.

-class of 1984

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mr.fusion Dec 11, 2015 • 2:00:43pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

The GOP is like a drug addict: It’s totally convinced that it’s fine even as it slides into ruin, it refuses to accept help of any kind, and the things that it thinks are helping are in actuality hurting it more and more. The time to stage an intervention was six months ago, when Trump first became a rising star on a platform of hatred towards “illegals.”

This is thinking waaaaaaay ahead, but let’s say Trump gets the nomination which I think is likely and then goes on and loses by 20% (at least) in November 2016.

What then? Do you actually think he will concede? I know I’m being way over the top here but I honestly believe he’ll call on his voters to take matters into their own hands.

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CriticalDragon1177 Dec 11, 2015 • 2:01:40pm

Erdogan rejects demands to pull out Turkish troops from Iraq https://t.co/1Jwvtzlgk2 pic.twitter.com/iyDniq3voO

— haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) December 11, 2015

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EPR-radar Dec 11, 2015 • 2:01:57pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

One must know an untruth is an untruth or have good reason to believe it is, in order to tell a lie. An untruth that you honestly thought was the truth is not a lie.

How is this relevant to the case of Carly Fiorina and the Planned Parenthood videos? Carly Fiorina is simply not cognitively impaired enough to be able to believe that her version of the video story is actually true.

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CuriousLurker Dec 11, 2015 • 2:01:57pm

re: #91 freetoken

Trump: TIME Picked The Wrong Person, Merkel Is “Doing Tremendous Damage” To Germany With Muslim Immigration

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The father-land is being over-run by foreigners.

Yes, according to The Times of Israel horrible stuff like this is happening: Syrian refugees join Hanukkah candle-lighting in Berlin

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 2:01:57pm

It’s Time to Worry About Donald Trump

[…]

Even though early polls often turn out to be unreliable, it’s hard to ignore the fact that he’s been leading in them for five months now. If this is a blip, it is a very extended one. And during the past few weeks, two things have happened which also suggest it is time to reassess Trump’s prospects. First, more evidence has emerged that he isn’t just picking up the support of furious white men in pickup trucks who see the country slipping away from them: his support is a good deal broader than that. And second, the murderous attacks in Paris and San Bernadino have changed the dynamics of the Republican race, bringing the threat of terrorism to the fore. So far, Trump appears to be the principal beneficiary.

Take New Hampshire, where polls show Trump well ahead. A new CNN/WMUR survey of people likely to vote in the G.O.P. primary, which takes place on February 9th, shows him garnering support from virtually all corners of the Republican Party. To be sure, he gets his highest favorability ratings from men, self-identified conservatives, and people who didn’t attend college. But among self-identified moderates, forty-seven per cent have a favorable opinion of Trump, compared to forty-three per cent who view him unfavorably. Among women, forty-nine per cent think positively of Trump, and forty-three per cent have a negative opinion. Among college graduates, fifty-eight per cent express a favorable opinion of him, and thirty five per cent a negative opinion.

[…]

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CriticalDragon1177 Dec 11, 2015 • 2:03:12pm

Uh oh! Not good!

Will Western activists block CRISPR solution to protecting millions of Africans against malaria? https://t.co/P2GfYseUzb #gmo

— Doubtful News (@DoubtfulNews) December 11, 2015

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wrenchwench Dec 11, 2015 • 2:04:12pm

re: #122 CriticalDragon1177

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Keep that guy away from all the Kurds; Iraqi, Turkish, Syrian, and all of ‘em.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 2:05:53pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

One must know an untruth is an untruth or have good reason to believe it is, in order to tell a lie. An untruth that you honestly thought was the truth is not a lie.

Here’s the thing, Dark - let’s give her a HUGE benefit of the doubt, and say she misremembered the video when she brought it up a the debate, so what she told then would be an untruth but not an intentional lie.

By the next day, it was absolutely, unequivocally clear that no such video existed. From that point on, every time she said it did, she was lying.

Absolutely, unequivocally lying, and no Darkian parsing can refute that.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 2:06:48pm

No matter what happens, we’re going to hear that the GOP lost for not being right wing enough. No one has the balls to the tell the voters in their base that conservatism as they know it is not a winning national strategy if you want to be President in 21st century America and I think deep down some of them know this but they can’t accept it hence the rise of demagogues like Cruz, Trump, Carson, etc.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 2:08:38pm

re: #124 CuriousLurker

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The father-land is being over-run by foreigners.

Yes, according to The Times of Israel horrible stuff like this is happening: Syrian refugees join Hanukkah candle-lighting in Berlin

I read about one refuge grateful to his new home worked in a soup kitchen. Merkel is a fine choice by the way.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 2:08:40pm

re: #126 CriticalDragon1177

The organization to which you linked is very strange (in this strange universe) in that it has an agenda that is hard to pick apart. On the one hand it rails against anything that has to do with genetic engineering/editing, and the other hand it runs articles critical of groups like Greenpeace.

I’ve tried to dig into their background a bit over some issues but I’ve not concluded anything.

As for the topic at hand - I’m all for genetic engineering if one can demonstrate more positives than negatives. But analogous to some forms of drastic health treatments it can be difficult to balance the pluses versus the minuses.

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Khal Wimpo Dec 11, 2015 • 2:09:43pm

re: #121 mr.fusion

This is thinking waaaaaaay ahead, but let’s say Trump gets the nomination which I think is likely and then goes on and loses by 20% (at least) in November 2016.

What then? Do you actually think he will concede? I know I’m being way over the top here but I honestly believe he’ll call on his voters to take matters into their own hands.

Hm. Depends on how deep into his own ego he’s crawled by that point. If he’s come through what is sure to be a bruising primary, where the other GOP candidates get increasingly caustic and he reacts like the narcissist he is … and then gets his ass handed to him by Hilary … mmmaybe.

Dunno if he has the sack for leading an armed revolution, though. Too likely to result in him having to sleep on a pallet in a concrete cell in the basement of Marion, Ind.

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wrenchwench Dec 11, 2015 • 2:09:57pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Can you answer me this? Why is this sort of lying acceptable in your party? Why is it acceptable to attack the name of an organization that does a ton of good things for poor women especially’s health? What the fuck is your party’s fucking problem where this is acceptable?

It’s the last way to take power from women. They are so desperate, they found a woman to utter the lies.

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Nyet Dec 11, 2015 • 2:10:12pm

re: #44 CuriousLurker

OK, that’s some creepy stuff. She was basically kidnapped.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 2:11:12pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

It’s the last way to take power from women. They are so desperate, they found a woman to utter the lies.

I agree but I want to hear this from him.

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mr.fusion Dec 11, 2015 • 2:16:05pm

re: #132 Khal Wimpo

Hm. Depends on how deep into his own ego he’s crawled by that point. If he’s come through what is sure to be a bruising primary, where the other GOP candidates get increasingly caustic and he reacts like the narcissist he is … and then gets his ass handed to him by Hilary … mmmaybe.

Dunno if he has the sack for leading an armed revolution, though. Too likely to result in him having to sleep on a pallet in a concrete cell in the basement of Marion, Ind.

Oh, he won’t “lead” anything….but he will completely deny the results, probably say that the Clinton’s gave away so much of the Obummerphones that poll workers stuffed the ballots or something. He’ll call the results illegitimate and hint around that people need to start taking things into their own hands

But no way does he deliver anything resembling a concession speech

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 2:16:20pm

The never-ending story of trying to remake the lead character:

The Real Face of Jesus
Forensic science reveals the most famous face in history.

Esquire is getting more click-bait-y.

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GlutenFreeJesus Dec 11, 2015 • 2:16:24pm

re: #88 CriticalDragon1177

Good news!

58 oppose. That’s it? I find that very troubling.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 2:17:15pm

re: #138 GlutenFreeJesus

58 oppose. That’s it? I find that very troubling.

Indeed.

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Belafon Dec 11, 2015 • 2:18:44pm

re: #138 GlutenFreeJesus

58 oppose. That’s it? I find that very troubling.

That’s because a large majority of Republicans support Trump’s stance. Once again, don’t let anyone tell you he doesn’t represent the party.

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danarchy Dec 11, 2015 • 2:18:45pm

re: #111 mr.fusion

I’m saying that the GOP is going to get completely crushed in 2016 — it’s beyond a doubt now — but it’s up to them to start the rebuilding process now. If they try and wait until after the election it will be too late

Where is the evidence for this? in national polls Hillary only leads Trump and Cruz by a couple of points and actually trails Rubio by a couple. Most likely scenario as I see it is another 53-47ish result and a doubling down on the derp.

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mr.fusion Dec 11, 2015 • 2:19:03pm

re: #138 GlutenFreeJesus

58 oppose. That’s it? I find that very troubling.

I haven’t looked at the poll, but take out the 70% or so of Republicans that agree and I bet you that “oppose” number goes way up

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CuriousLurker Dec 11, 2015 • 2:19:09pm

re: #134 Nyet

OK, that’s some creepy stuff. She was basically kidnapped.

She didn’t mention any force being involved, either in her decision to leave with the family or to marry Fuad, and now that she’s safely in Israel there’s nothing to stop her from calling it kidnapping if that’s what it was.

I suspect it was more of a case of a headstrong young woman falling blindly in love (thinking it would conquer all), getting pregnant at a time and in a culture where it would NOT have been acceptable, and then just trying to make the best of the bad situation in which she found herself (and her child), especially after Fuad was killed.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 2:19:11pm

re: #138 GlutenFreeJesus

58 oppose. That’s it? I find that very troubling.

You know what’s troubling? That the question is even being asked.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 2:20:14pm

re: #144 Blind Frog Belly White

You know what’s troubling? That the question is even being asked.

For sure. We’re talking about the deportation and removal of an entire people because of their religion. And there was someone else who did that.

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mr.fusion Dec 11, 2015 • 2:20:43pm

re: #141 danarchy

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I’m saying that the GOP is going to get completely crushed in 2016 — it’s beyond a doubt now — but it’s up to them to start the rebuilding process now. If they try and wait until after the election it will be too late

Where is the evidence for this? in national polls Hillary only leads Trump and Cruz by a couple of points and actually trails Rubio by a couple. Most likely scenario as I see it is another 53-47ish result and a doubling down on the derp.

You’re a politically interested person. I would say the majority of the country still isn’t paying much attention beyond the headlines

There hasn’t been a single negative ad run against Trump yet. I would seriously be willing to bet everything I own that Trump would lose by at least 20% if he were to receive the nomination

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Belafon Dec 11, 2015 • 2:20:44pm

Also, support is at 36 percent. The rest are undecided.

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Jenner7 Dec 11, 2015 • 2:21:58pm

south park on rising gun culture pic.twitter.com/niMAly3VYg

— alazar (@zarzarbinkss) December 11, 2015

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Jenner7 Dec 11, 2015 • 2:22:54pm

re: #108 Stanley Sea Toujours

Need to add it to the list on my FB.

Sigh…

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 2:23:06pm

re: #148 Jenner7

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I’m pleasantly surprised.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 2:23:39pm

Very worth the buzzfeed click.

The 19 Most Powerful Photos Of Refugees Coming To Canada https://t.co/DidVzBZR8s pic.twitter.com/8g6YNXBSnI

— BuzzFeed Canada (@BuzzFeedCanada) December 11, 2015

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Nyet Dec 11, 2015 • 2:24:04pm

re: #137 freetoken

The never-ending story of trying to remake the lead character:

The Real Face of Jesus
Forensic science reveals the most famous face in history.

Esquire is getting more click-bait-y.

Emm, that bogus “reconstruction” is, ahem, a few years old.

edition.cnn.com

Clickbait doesn’t begin to describe it.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 2:25:44pm

You know you’ve “made it” when…

‘Tremendous’ Donald Trump condoms are ‘huuuuge’

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KGxvi Dec 11, 2015 • 2:26:30pm

re: #117 Nyet

The first comment in this thread asked why she isn’t in prison. And other comments suggested she walked right up to the line.

She’s lying, yes, flat out. Her rhetoric (and that of many pro-lifers) is not good. But I’m not going to hold them legally responsible for the actions of a shooter unless there is real, legal incitement. Her lying about the videos is more than enough to find that she is not fit for office, saying that she’s inciting violence - when that has a very real legal definition - is something else entirely.

But then, I tend to be something of a free speech absolutist.

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CuriousLurker Dec 11, 2015 • 2:26:31pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea Toujours

Very worth the buzzfeed click.

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I can’t even imagine what a HUGE relief it must be to finally feel safe.

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Nyet Dec 11, 2015 • 2:28:51pm

re: #143 CuriousLurker

Her parents-in-law decided to flee Israel, for Syria, and insisted that she come with them; she was, after all, carrying their grandson in her womb. “I didn’t want to go,” Elkayam recalled tearfully, in the mixture of Arabic and halting Hebrew with which she spoke throughout the report.

Later, in Syria, Fuad’s family told her she could leave if she wanted to, but without her son. “I couldn’t do that,” she said. “I loved the child.”

Even assuming no physical force was involved, it wasn’t consensual. She didn’t want to go, and she didn’t want to stay, but had to, because they kept the child against the mother’s will. Which is also basically a kidnapping.

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Big Beautiful Door Dec 11, 2015 • 2:29:54pm

re: #121 mr.fusion

This is thinking waaaaaaay ahead, but let’s say Trump gets the nomination which I think is likely and then goes on and loses by 20% (at least) in November 2016.

What then? Do you actually think he will concede? I know I’m being way over the top here but I honestly believe he’ll call on his voters to take matters into their own hands.

He won’t lose that bad. At least 45% of voters will vote GOP no matter who the nominee is. And I don’t see Trump as the kind of guy who’ll try to lead a putsch; though he might unleash an army of lawyers.

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danarchy Dec 11, 2015 • 2:31:02pm

re: #143 CuriousLurker

She didn’t mention any force being involved, either in her decision to leave with the family or to marry Fuad, and now that she’s safely in Israel there’s nothing to stop her from calling it kidnapping if that’s what it was.

I suspect it was more of a case of a headstrong young woman falling blindly in love (thinking it would conquer all), getting pregnant at a time and in a culture where it would NOT have been acceptable, and then just trying to make the best of the bad situation in which she found herself (and her child), especially after Fuad was killed.

Sorry, she was 16, whether she went willingly or not it was kidnapping. And then when they said she could leave but couldn’t take her son, it is essentially a 2nd generation kidnapping.

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Nyet Dec 11, 2015 • 2:31:25pm

re: #154 KGxvi

Thankfully SCOTUS doesn’t get to redefine everyday, common sense words like “incitement”.

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KGxvi Dec 11, 2015 • 2:31:44pm

re: #157 Big Beautiful Door

I think Trump could fall under 45%. I still have this image of him saying something like “Now, listen here, little lady” to Hillary in the middle of a debate when she challenges him on something. If that happens, his numbers will plummet.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 2:32:04pm

re: #154 KGxvi

The first comment in this thread asked why she isn’t in prison. And other comments suggested she walked right up to the line.

She’s lying, yes, flat out. Her rhetoric (and that of many pro-lifers) is not good. But I’m not going to hold them legally responsible for the actions of a shooter unless there is real, legal incitement. Her lying about the videos is more than enough to find that she is not fit for office, saying that she’s inciting violence - when that has a very real legal definition - is something else entirely.

But then, I tend to be something of a free speech absolutist.

Stochastic Terrorism requires plausible deniability.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 2:33:19pm

We’re going to overdose on popcorn if the GOP establishment goes for a brokered convention:

Conservative Radio Hosts Revolt Against The GOP Leaders Considering A Brokered Convention

The irony of the rabid right being so for Donald Trump while the religious rabid right is also against Donald Trump - this is quite the cognitive dissonance.

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BeachDem Dec 11, 2015 • 2:33:51pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

I think the line changes depending on who is receiving it. Obviously a nutter like Dear took it way more to heart than maybe someone a little clearer thinking.

That is why her rhetoric is dangerous. She isn’t aware enough that that kind of thing can stir up the bad crazy way too much. Running for the GOP nomination puts her thoughts in front of a lot more people than if she was just saying it to someone she knows.

I think that falls under that GOP “Party of ResponsibilityTM” umbrella.

Not fit for office. Fit to be tied.

They were surveyor marks!!
//

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 2:36:28pm

Mammon-loving, serial divorcing, ostentatious atheism-in-practice was once thought immiscible with religious piety.

Not any more.

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Targetpractice Dec 11, 2015 • 2:37:43pm

re: #162 freetoken

We’re going to overdose on popcorn if the GOP establishment goes for a brokered convention:

Conservative Radio Hosts Revolt Against The GOP Leaders Considering A Brokered Convention

The irony of the rabid right being so for Donald Trump while the religious rabid right is also against Donald Trump - this is quite the cognitive dissonance.

We’re at that point in the story where the GOP is fucked, no matter what course it takes. The most they can hope, as has already been noted, is that the election is close enough that they can argue some outside factor rather than a majority of Americans simply not buying into their brand of lunacy.

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KGxvi Dec 11, 2015 • 2:38:15pm

re: #162 freetoken

The best part of this is that the talk radio hacks (non-establishment division) would float this same idea whenever an establishment pol would begin to look inevitable. They would have loved a brokered convention in 2008 (and probably in 2012 because by that point they didn’t like Romney anymore).

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WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 2:38:35pm

How does the religious right accept Trump when his wife poses for pictures stark naked?

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goddamnedfrank Dec 11, 2015 • 2:40:05pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

One must know an untruth is an untruth or have good reason to believe it is, in order to tell a lie. An untruth that you honestly thought was the truth is not a lie.

She’s persisted in steadfastly maintaining the lie. She’s had every fucking opportunity to look at her claim, realize there’s absolutely no evidence to back it up, and admit her error, yet she refuses.

she.is.a.liar.

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Targetpractice Dec 11, 2015 • 2:40:19pm

re: #166 KGxvi

The best part of this is that the talk radio hacks (non-establishment division) would float this same idea whenever an establishment pol would begin to look inevitable. They would have loved a brokered convention in 2008 (and probably in 2012 because by that point they didn’t like Romney anymore).

I still remember the insistence that ‘08 was going to lead to a brokered Dem convention, if not a “unity ticket” to prevent the party from tearing itself apart.

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danarchy Dec 11, 2015 • 2:40:49pm

re: #167 WhatEVs

How does the religious right accept Trump when his wife poses for pictures stark naked?

Half of them will probably vote for him just so they can see her on the news every other day…

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 2:41:48pm

re: #160 KGxvi

I think Trump could fall under 45%. I still have this image of him saying something like “Now, listen here, little lady” to Hillary in the middle of a debate when she challenges him on something. If that happens, his numbers will plummet.

Or fucking n** which is only moments away with an open mic and a protester.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 2:42:34pm

re: #162 freetoken

We’re going to overdose on popcorn if the GOP establishment goes for a brokered convention:

Conservative Radio Hosts Revolt Against The GOP Leaders Considering A Brokered Convention

The irony of the rabid right being so for Donald Trump while the religious rabid right is also against Donald Trump - this is quite the cognitive dissonance.

um i believe there can’t be a brokered convention unless nobody wins enough delegates in the primaries to win on the first ballot so wtf?

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bratwurst Dec 11, 2015 • 2:43:01pm

re: #167 WhatEVs

How does the religious right accept Trump when his wife poses for pictures stark naked?

Because their “rock ribbed” conservative principles go out the window when a demagogue has a platter of red meat to serve them.

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danarchy Dec 11, 2015 • 2:43:34pm

re: #168 goddamnedfrank

She’s persisted in steadfastly maintaining the lie. She’s had every fucking opportunity to look at her claim, realize there’s absolutely no evidence to back it up, and admit her error, yet she refuses.

she.is.a.liar.

I think he was being pedantic about the she knows she is lying part. ie. if she didn’t know it wouldn’t be a lie, so saying she knows she is lying is redundant.

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Targetpractice Dec 11, 2015 • 2:43:48pm

re: #172 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

um i believe there can’t be a brokered convention unless nobody wins enough delegates in the primaries to win on the first ballot so wtf?

The worry amongst wingnuts is that the GOP establishment is going to change the rules to prevent Trump delegates from being seated or some such, allowing them to nominate Ted Cruz or whoever they feel is the “sane” alternative.

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Testy Toad T Dec 11, 2015 • 2:44:01pm

re: #172 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

um i believe there can’t be a brokered convention unless nobody wins enough delegates in the primaries to win on the first ballot so wtf?

The Party can decide to basically do whatever the hell it wants, I think. It’s only a question of to what degree they’re willing to throw away precedent and tell their voters that their opinion doesn’t matter.

They’re the Party’s rules. They can just change ‘em on the fly.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 2:45:06pm

re: #173 bratwurst

Because their “rock ribbed” conservative principles go out the window when a demagogue has a platter of red meat to serve them.

Their “principles” are really one principle - the only acceptable government is one they control.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 2:45:14pm

Republicans… lying to themselves again:

Republicans discussed possibility of brokered convention

It had “nothing, zero, nada to do with Trump except he may be one of the candidates standing at the end,” said the source. “It was not aimed at anyone.”

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GlutenFreeJesus Dec 11, 2015 • 2:48:05pm

So Anonymous is going to go after Trump? Oh the lulz.

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Targetpractice Dec 11, 2015 • 2:49:46pm

re: #178 freetoken

Republicans… lying to themselves again:

Republicans discussed possibility of brokered convention

“We’re not discussing a brokered convention because of anybody in particular, we’re just discussing the possibility of one…weeks before the first primary has even happened…”

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 2:50:03pm

re: #179 GlutenFreeJesus

Don’t worry, Trump can call on all those MMA fighters to defend him:

DANA WHITE
I’M VOTING FOR TRUMP!!!

UFC honcho Dana White is a hardcore supporter of Donald Trump and he can’t wait to get to the ballot box.

Dana — one of the most powerful people in sports — made no bones about it … he’s Trump all the way, and he has his reasons.

Dana dropped the news on TMZ Sports, which will air tonight at midnight ET, 9 PM PT on FS1.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 2:51:36pm

Now the National Republican Senatorial Committee is controlled and funded by Mitch McConnell and it has been used to attack conservatives and Tea Party candidates for years. It is vile, it is vicious, and it seeks to protect the ruling class.

go, teabags, go!

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CuriousLurker Dec 11, 2015 • 2:56:44pm

re: #156 Nyet

Even assuming no physical force was involved, it wasn’t consensual. She didn’t want to go, and she didn’t want to stay, but had to, because they kept the child against the mother’s will. Which is also basically a kidnapping.

Yes, but the part about fleeing Israel for Syria happened after she’d married Fuad and he’d been killed. Later, in Syria, you’re correct that she basically had no choice if she wanted to be with her child. The family would’ve been following Sharia WRT to child custody, which I presume would’ve been upheld in a Syrian court.

I would point out that Israel did then and still does now follow Sharia in matters of family law, so even if they’d been in Israel, there would have been no guarantee that she would have been given custody of the child. AFAIK, Israel still doesn’t allow interfaith marriage, so while it’s possible that her marriage may have been recognized at the time, there’s no telling what her legal standing might have been in Israel after having married a Muslim Arab from an enemy country.

She was young, in love, and foolishly headstrong and clearly didn’t think ahead to the possible consequences for her & the child if Fuad died leaving them alone. So you can call it kidnapping because that’s what it feels like to us nearly seven decades and half a world away (both physically & culturally), but I seriously doubt it would have been considered kidnapping back then, by either side.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 2:57:37pm

re: #167 WhatEVs

How does the religious right accept Trump when his wife poses for pictures stark naked?

Trump has tapped so directly into the fear and hate of the Wingnut Base that it’s like he bypasses all the other criteria. Indeed, this seems to be the take-home lesson from Frank Luntz’s focus group this week - any attempt to sway his voters with negative information about him only tightens his grip.

This surprised Luntz, but shouldn’t really surprise anyone who has been paying attention to the rising tide of derp:

It would appear the focus-group participants were a spirited bunch. Most believed ridiculous conspiracy theories about President Obama; they assumed Trump’s most outlandish lies were true; they endorsed his anti-Muslim plan; and they discounted any information that originated from major news organizations.

We’ve been saying this for months - Murdoch and Ailes have been carefully cooking up this toxic mixture of hate, fear, ignorance and arrogant stupidity for years, and Trump comes in, sees it sitting on the counter, and just takes it away from them.

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CuriousLurker Dec 11, 2015 • 2:58:27pm

re: #158 danarchy

See #183. I’m not going to answer twice.

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Lidane Dec 11, 2015 • 2:58:51pm

The Establishment’s only hope: Trump & me in a cage match. Sorry to disappoint — @realDonaldTrump is terrific. #DealWithIt

— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) December 11, 2015

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Targetpractice Dec 11, 2015 • 2:59:53pm

re: #186 Lidane

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Cage match? No, we demand Thunderdome!

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 3:00:37pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

Cage match? No, we demand Thunderdome!

Two douchecanoes enter, neither of them leaves.

Evening Lizardim.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 3:01:55pm

re: #188 thedopefishlives

Two douchecanoes enter, neither of them leaves.

Evening Lizardim.

Hey, now THERE’S a result I can cheer for!

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Dec 11, 2015 • 3:02:48pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

Facts, logic, and reality all have a well known liberal bias. I know plenty of people that, even when confronted with the plain simple truth would deny it and double down on their own pre-conceived beliefs. I swear you could tell them the sky was blue and they’d deny it and call it a liberal conspiracy.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 3:02:50pm

re: #188 thedopefishlives

Two douchecanoes enter, neither of them leaves.

Evening Lizardim.

I don’t think I’ve lived a good enough life to see both of them completely disappear. I’ve honestly always found Trump annoying. His whole act.

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goddamnedfrank Dec 11, 2015 • 3:02:53pm

You know how I can tell Steve Jobs is well and truly dead? Apple put the Lightning connector recharging port on the bottom of the new Magic Mouse.

Jobs would have had the thing charge via induction.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 3:05:12pm

I forget which of you said it earlier but it doesn’t get any more establishment than a whacko billionaire and a weirdo senator. I just love how somehow Trump is not establishment. A simple rule but if you’re worth more than a billion dollars, you are definitely establishment just if you’re part of a body that only has 99 other members.

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 3:06:04pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

I don’t think I’ve lived a good enough life to see both of them completely disappear. I’ve honestly always found Trump annoying. His whole act.

Trump has always struck me as a buffoon on the order of Rush Limbaugh. The problem is, this campaign has revealed that he has a certain amount of cunning. He could be dangerous if given power; I only hope he doesn’t get it. Cruz, on the other hand, is just the same old garden-variety far-right Dominionist dumbass that I’m used to dealing with. It’s an old and tired schtick.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 3:06:34pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

We’ve been saying this for months - Murdoch and Ailes have been carefully cooking up this toxic mixture of hate, fear, ignorance and arrogant stupidity for years, and Trump comes in, sees it sitting on the counter, and just takes it away from them.

One of the biggest, probably is the biggest, challenge when dealing with creationists is that they no longer can participate in a discussion of facts. The fancy term “epistemic bubble” was launched a while ago but the phenomenon has been discussed for a long time. When someone, or some group, defines what they will accept as reality so rigidly that they no longer will look at any evidence contrary then we have a real problem.

Now, all human knowledge is deeply connect to foundational thought processes and what we want to label as “truth”, no matter what that is, comes about as chemical process in our brains. Even if we accept this and embrace that we are just apes squawking at each other, still, the way forward, we would like to think, is best done rationally and by discussing issues with each other.

The Cult of Personality to which we all can be susceptible seems to run very strongly with the Tea Partying Trump followers. They so want to not be the “failures” they fear that they gravitate towards anyone who seems to be successful regardless of where hateful rhetoric will take them.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 3:06:42pm

re: #190 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Facts, logic, and reality all have a well known liberal bias. I know plenty of people that, even when confronted with the plain simple truth would deny it and double down on their own pre-conceived beliefs. I swear you could tell them the sky was blue and they’d deny it and call it a liberal conspiracy.

Clinging more tightly to beliefs in the face of an attack on them is largely universal, but when you combine that natural tendency with the delegitimization of knowledge, expertise, empirical observation, and simple logic, and tell people that their beliefs, their ‘common sense’ is more important than actual data or facts, you divorce people from reality. Reality becomes what they believe it is, what they want it to be.

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bratwurst Dec 11, 2015 • 3:07:15pm

The Coolest Xmas Present just came out: Quotations from Chairman Trump. Bravo Carol Pogash! pic.twitter.com/g6QHAcTJkx

— Larry Kramer (@lkramer) December 11, 2015

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 3:07:27pm

re: #194 thedopefishlives

Trump has always struck me as a buffoon on the order of Rush Limbaugh. The problem is, this campaign has revealed that he has a certain amount of cunning. He could be dangerous if given power; I only hope he doesn’t get it. Cruz, on the other hand, is just the same old garden-variety far-right Dominionist dumbass that I’m used to dealing with. It’s an old and tired schtick.

Yeah Cruz is what you call same shit, different flavor. This time the flavor comes from Canada and has a Cuban born Dad. But what really gets me about Cruz is how despised he is even by his own guys. Like I’ve read the stories about how his fellow students at Princeton hated his guts.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 3:07:57pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

You know how I can tell Steve Jobs is well and truly dead? Apple put the Lightning connector recharging port on the bottom of the new Magic Mouse.

Jobs would have had the thing charge via ~~induction.~~ the power of his MIND!!!

FTFY
//

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 3:08:10pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Yeah Cruz is what you call same shit, different flavor. This time the flavor comes from Canada and has a Cuban born Dad. But what really gets me about Cruz is how despised he is even by his own guys. Like I’ve read the stories about how his fellow students at Princeton hated his guts.

Wingnut, seasoned with maple syrup.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 3:08:11pm

As far as I’m concerned, Trump is the argument for the estate tax.

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EPR-radar Dec 11, 2015 • 3:08:26pm

re: #160 KGxvi

I think Trump could fall under 45%. I still have this image of him saying something like “Now, listen here, little lady” to Hillary in the middle of a debate when she challenges him on something. If that happens, his numbers will plummet.

Zombie Adolph Hitler (R) would get at least 100 electoral votes from red states in 2016. It is not possible for the GOP to have a catastrophic loss in a presidential election (where this is arbitrarily defined to be less than 50 electoral votes).

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 3:08:36pm

re: #200 thedopefishlives

Wingnut, seasoned with maple syrup.

Con poutine(which I am still needing to try).

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 3:09:15pm

re: #202 EPR-radar

Zombie Adolph Hitler (R) would get at least 100 electoral votes from red states in 2016. It is not possible for the GOP to have a catastrophic loss in a presidential election (where this is arbitrarily defined to be less than 50 electoral votes).

I really think you’re right about that. We used to have the Yellow Dog Democrats. Now we have the Red blood Republicans, they’ll vote Republican as long as their blood stays red with rage.

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 3:10:02pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Con poutine(which I am still needing to try).

My favorite indulgent snack food. Living in South Canada has its perks; discovery of poutine was definitely one of them.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 3:11:32pm

re: #205 thedopefishlives

My favorite indulgent snack food. Living in South Canada has its perks; discovery of poutine was definitely one of them.

Yeah I’ve never been up in your neck of the woods ever. I saw that Red Robin had it when I was there but I promised myself when I try it, I’m going to try it near the real place first. Man do I love potatoes though. Best veggie ever.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 3:12:52pm

From corporate America, this bit of big news:

Dow and DuPont Will Merge, Spin Off Ag Into New Company

DuPont and The Dow Chemical Company today announced that their boards of directors unanimously approved a definitive agreement under which the companies will combine in an all-stock merger of equals. The combined company will be named DowDuPont.

The parties intend to subsequently pursue a separation of DowDuPont into three independent, publicly traded companies through tax-free spin-offs. This would occur as soon as feasible, which is expected to be 18-24 months following the closing of the merger, subject to regulatory and board approval.

[…]

“DowDuPont” is almost as bad as the fact that these mega corps are trying to shirk their social responsibility.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 3:13:16pm

Frankly I see a guy like Cruz and I see everything people dislike about politicians. It’s not mere political disagreement. I genuinely feel Ted Cruz has no political principles whatsoever but to oppose Obama just to merely oppose Obama. I think I heard one conservative commentor wonder aloud if it would kill him to take at least one departure from right wing orthodoxy.

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WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 3:14:23pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Con poutine(which I am still needing to try).

How to ruin a great Canadian tradition. ;-)

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TedStriker Dec 11, 2015 • 3:15:46pm

re: #91 freetoken

Trump: TIME Picked The Wrong Person, Merkel Is “Doing Tremendous Damage” To Germany With Muslim Immigration

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The father-land is being over-run by foreigners.

Donald, Angela Merkel could probably gut you like a trout, both figuratively and literally.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 3:15:50pm

re: #209 WhatEVs

How to ruin a great Canadian tradition. ;-)

Cruz likes peas with his poutine. Confirmed fact.

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EPR-radar Dec 11, 2015 • 3:16:02pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Frankly I see a guy like Cruz and I see everything people dislike about politicians. It’s not mere political disagreement. I genuinely feel Ted Cruz has no political principles whatsoever but to oppose Obama just to merely oppose Obama. I think I heard one conservative commentor wonder aloud if it would kill him to take at least one departure from right wing orthodoxy.

The fact that Cruz is a zealous right-wing ideologue is the entire basis of his run. He’s hoping Trump falters and wants to pick up the Trump voters.

So, yes it would kill Ted Cruz to deviate even 1 micron from wingnut orthodoxy.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 3:16:15pm

Anyhow with that dietary tidbit, I’m off to dinner. Later.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 3:16:45pm

Two of the oldest and biggest companies in America decide to end their previous lives… in part because they can save money on paying taxes.

The real problem for them has been the strong dollar.

Oh, the irony. Trump trumps how he wants to make the dollar stronger. The very thing that does in many American companies, but the True ‘Muricans are oblivious to that.

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WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 3:16:48pm

re: #207 freetoken

From corporate America, this bit of big news:

Dow and DuPont Will Merge, Spin Off Ag Into New Company

“DowDuPont” is almost as bad as the fact that these mega corps are trying to shirk their social responsibility.

DowPont?

DuDow (DuDow)?

DowDu? (Good, how are you?)

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Nyet Dec 11, 2015 • 3:17:04pm

re: #183 CuriousLurker

so even if they’d been in Israel, there would have been no guarantee that she would have been given custody of the child

Let’s be realistic: in Israel a Jewish child of a Jewish mother would not have been given away to a non-Jewish family.

We can argue about whether the flight itself was a kidnapping - what with her being a minor and not wanting to go - cultures and times do indeed differ. But something tells me blackmailing a minor with her child and keeping her incommunicando for 68 years would have been considered creepy back then, too.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Dec 11, 2015 • 3:17:43pm

Tee Hee….
Sarah Palin Bans Muslims from Entering Bristol Palin

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GlutenFreeJesus Dec 11, 2015 • 3:18:05pm

re: #142 mr.fusion

I haven’t looked at the poll, but take out the 70% or so of Republicans that agree and I bet you that “oppose” number goes way up

Sure. But those republicans vote.

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WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 3:18:30pm

re: #212 EPR-radar

The fact that Cruz is a zealous right-wing ideologue is the entire basis of his run. He’s hoping Trump falters and wants to pick up the Trump voters.

Or picks him as Veep.

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funky chicken Dec 11, 2015 • 3:20:24pm

re: #11 mr.fusion

First of all, she complains about President Obama’s rhetoric — are Democrats out there shooting up Republican campaign offices? Did I miss that? I know that Planned Parenthood clinics are being shot up and firebombed, but maybe the liberal media is burying all the shootings taking place at Republican campaign offices.

Second - I just can’t stand Fiorina. Just her cadence and the way she talks — it’s basically “what the hell don’t you understand about what I’m telling you? Why are you so dumb?”

Thank Dog she has no shot at becoming president. I wouldn’t be able to stand listening to her for four years.

Imagine having her as your boss. I’d rather work for Trump.

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No Depression Dec 11, 2015 • 3:20:29pm

Saw someone post a meme of this fake Diane Feinstein quote on Facebook: “When the gunman realizes that nobody else is armed, he will lay down his weapons and turn himself in … that’s just human nature.”

I challenged them by posting this Snopes link: Gunman Gambit . Let’s see what happens, if anything at all.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 3:22:24pm

re: #182 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Now the National Republican Senatorial Committee is controlled and funded by Mitch McConnell and it has been used to attack conservatives and Tea Party candidates for years. It is vile, it is vicious, and it seeks to protect the ruling class.

go, teabags, go!

actually, even though it’s amusing to watch the gop at war with itself now, by the time the convention comes around i expect the entire RNC to be kissing trump’s fascist ass

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 3:22:55pm

re: #214 freetoken

Two of the oldest and biggest companies in America decide to end their previous lives… in part because they can save money on paying taxes.

The real problem for them has been the strong dollar.

Oh, the irony. Trump trumps how he wants to make the dollar stronger. The very thing that does in many American companies, but the True ‘Muricans are oblivious to that.

I’ve heard that from wingnuts, that they want to dollar to be strong. It’s an article of faith with them, that a strong dollar would mean a strong economy. It’s like their belief that if everyone were frugal,only bought what they could afford and never went into debt, the American economy would boom! Or their belief that if you cut taxes on the rich enough, the economy would boom so much that the taxes gained from increased economic activity would far outstrip the lost revenue from lower rates.

The thing is, none of these makes rational sense, and all have been empirically refuted. But again - articles of faith.

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Decatur Deb Dec 11, 2015 • 3:23:13pm

Barely in touch for the rest of the week—crisis babysitting in the Valley of the Shadow of Lousy Connectivity.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 3:23:32pm

re: #223 Blind Frog Belly White

“Strong” sounds better than “weak”.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 3:27:34pm

re: #225 freetoken

“Strong” sounds better than “weak”.

It really is that simple.

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jaunte Dec 11, 2015 • 3:28:34pm

woman who shot at *shoplifters* makes great case for everyone not having a gun https://t.co/evntlI2oLJ pic.twitter.com/Ov7Keouinz

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) December 11, 2015

‘I Will Never Help Anybody Again’
Maybe just select from all the other helping tools available.

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Nyet Dec 11, 2015 • 3:31:36pm

A Canadian transgender father left behind a wife and seven children to begin a new life as a six-year-old girl.
Stefonknee (pronounced ‘Stephanie’) Wolschtt, 46, had been married for 23 years when she realised she was transgender.

She’s now living with an adoptive family, and says she does not “want to be an adult right now”.

“I can’t deny I was married. I can’t deny I have children. But I’ve moved forward now and I’ve gone back to being a child,” she said in a video series by The Transgender Project, published by Daily Xtra.

independent.co.uk

Not The Onion.

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 3:32:04pm

re: #220 funky chicken

Imagine having her as your boss. I’d rather work for Trump.

Wouldn’t have her as your boss for long - the company you both work for would go bankrupt in record time, while she bails out with her golden parachute.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 3:33:28pm

re: #181 freetoken

Don’t worry, Trump can call on all those MMA fighters to defend him:

DANA WHITE
I’M VOTING FOR TRUMP!!!

Was he on the apprentice? I swear those folks signed “will worship Trump for life” contract riders.

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 3:36:03pm

re: #230 Stanley Sea Toujours

Was he on the apprentice? I swear those folks signed “will worship Trump for life” contract riders.

Trump took a copy of the contract he signed with the devil and used it as a template.

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danarchy Dec 11, 2015 • 3:40:25pm

re: #228 Nyet

independent.co.uk

Not The Onion.

FFS, I wonder if his new adoptive family is on the hook for his child support payments.

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VegasGolfer Dec 11, 2015 • 3:41:49pm

re: #227 jaunte

[Embedded content]

‘I Will Never Help Anybody Again’
Maybe just select from all the other helping tools available.

‘Maybe i made the wrong decision “?
This bitch hasn’t learned one thing from this incident.
She shouldve been thrown in jail for a long sentence, and had her right to own a firearm revoked for life.

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Nyet Dec 11, 2015 • 3:46:00pm

re: #232 danarchy

FFS, I wonder if his new adoptive family is on the hook for his child support payments.

Her. There’s nothing wrong with the transgender part of the story.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 3:46:47pm

Not only will this get lots of attention, but I wonder if Trump will start back on the wall-building gimmick?

Donald Trump to hold rally in Mesa on Wednesday

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danarchy Dec 11, 2015 • 3:49:42pm

re: #234 Nyet

Her. There’s nothing wrong with the transgender part of the story.

my bad on that one

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 3:49:56pm

re: #234 Nyet

Her. There’s nothing wrong with the transgender part of the story.

Stories like this, by the way, are fuel for wingnut rage against trans people. They can’t see past the fact that this person is trans, and refuse to acknowledge that this could and does happen every day with cis people. Or if they do, they then use it as justification that being trans must be a mental disorder.

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WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 3:50:20pm

re: #221 No Depression

Saw someone post a meme of this fake Diane Feinstein quote on Facebook: “When the gunman realizes that nobody else is armed, he will lay down his weapons and turn himself in … that’s just human nature.”

I challenged them by posting this Snopes link: Gunman Gambit . Let’s see what happens, if anything at all.

You have high hopes. Prepare for them to be dashed.

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WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 3:52:30pm

re: #227 jaunte

[Embedded content]

‘I Will Never Help Anybody Again’
Maybe just select from all the other helping tools available.

When you only know about hammers….what other tool are there?

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 3:52:46pm

Trump is in Des Moines tonight:

eventbrite.com

C-Span had a video link last night - I thought it was from last night but it turns out that they had just posted the link a day early.

c-span.org

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 3:53:05pm

re: #239 WhatEVs

When you only know about hammers….what other tool are there?

Now, now, be fair. They know about more than hammers. There’s bolts and firing pins, too.///

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Nyet Dec 11, 2015 • 3:53:59pm

re: #239 WhatEVs

When you only know about hammers….what other tool are there?

Sickles.

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Decatur Deb Dec 11, 2015 • 3:55:42pm

re: #239 WhatEVs

When you only know about hammers….what other tool are there?

She worked at Home Depot—ought to know lots of tools. Mainly her bosses.

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CuriousLurker Dec 11, 2015 • 3:56:15pm

re: #216 Nyet

Let’s be realistic: in Israel a Jewish child of a Jewish mother would not have been given away to a non-Jewish family.

I don’t know that for certain and neither do you, unless you (or someone else here) can produce a similar case from that time. I’m also keeping in mind that there was much war & upheaval going on, so the circumstances were far different than they are now. If we were talking about today, or even 20-30 years ago, then I’d readily agree with you.

We can argue about whether the flight itself was a kidnapping - what with her being a minor and not wanting to go - cultures and times do indeed differ. But something tells me blackmailing a minor with her child and keeping her incommunicando for 68 years would be considered creepy back then, too.

Maybe you’re right, but there’s no way to be even remotely sure—again, because there was much war & upheaval going on at the time and neither of us knows what was considered a minor at the time. I know that until a couple of years ago the minimum legal age for marriage was 17 (it’s now 18), but who knows what it was before that? I sure don’t. A quick Google search tells me the age of (sexual) consent in Israel is currently 16, but I have no clue what it might have been in 1947.

In any event, I’m gonna stop now. I find that the vibe can get a little weird in here when subjects like this come up. When I try to look at things according to the culture, laws, social perspectives, and events of the times, I sometimes start to feel like people see my viewpoint as some sort of apologia or (in this case) approval of kidnapping.

That weirds me out after having been here for over five years and spoken my mind honestly, so I’m gonna stop discussing this and find something more pleasant to occupy my evening with.

Later, lizards.

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WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 3:57:51pm

re: #241 thedopefishlives

Now, now, be fair. They know about more than hammers. There’s bolts and firing pins, too.///

Nope. Part of the same tool. Doesn’t count. :-)

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 3:58:07pm

Watch Live: Donald Trump Holds Rally in Des Moines, IA (12-11-15)

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 3:59:45pm

Just because I know you don’t want to miss it.

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WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 3:59:57pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

She worked at Home Depot—ought to know lots of tools. Mainly her bosses.

Tools for fucking people up (her desire to Save The Day [AKA GGWAG]) which is why she went all pew pew pew in a freaking parking lot.

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 4:00:01pm

re: #247 freetoken

Just because I know you don’t want to miss it.

Like a hole in the head.

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Kid A Dec 11, 2015 • 4:00:50pm

re: #246 freetoken

Nope.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:01:01pm

So, what outrageous thing will Trump utter tonight?

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 4:01:13pm

re: #220 funky chicken

Imagine having her as your boss. I’d rather work for Trump.

Neither, no way in hell. Although you’d never know about Carly as your boss, except for the pink slip.

Trump? You fucking signed up. You own that shit.

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GlutenFreeJesus Dec 11, 2015 • 4:02:34pm

“Terrorist in training”

“Better safe than sorry”

“Fix your own problems”

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Kid A Dec 11, 2015 • 4:02:48pm

re: #217 Eric The Fruit Bat

Tee Hee….
Sarah Palin Bans Muslims from Entering Bristol Palin

From the comments:

As a single mother i find it HILARIOUS! This woman and her bastard producing daughter need to go away! Their the biggest hypocrites in the world! Telling girls to be abstinent while pregnant with not one but two babies out of wedlock??? Oh fuck no! That girl has seen more dick then Bewitched!
- See more at: nationalreport.net

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GlutenFreeJesus Dec 11, 2015 • 4:03:18pm

re: #251 freetoken

So, what outrageous thing will Trump utter tonight?

Surprised he hasn’t whipped out his dick to wave it around yet.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 4:03:55pm

re: #234 Nyet

Her. There’s nothing wrong with the transgender part of the story.

The recreation as a six year old though.

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 4:04:09pm

re: #255 GlutenFreeJesus

Surprised he hasn’t whipped out his dick to wave it around yet.

If it wasn’t for the unfortunate rash of dick-pic publicity from prominent politicians, it might’ve happened.

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Nyet Dec 11, 2015 • 4:05:14pm

re: #244 CuriousLurker

I find that the vibe can get a little weird in here when subjects like this come up. When I try to look at things according to the culture, laws, social perspectives, and events of the times, I sometimes start to feel like people see my viewpoint as some sort of apologia or approval of kidnapping.

There is nothing wrong with trying out a culturally different POV. In fact, it’s a must.

The whole story struck me as the lady escaping from where she didn’t want to be. I think there are enough details in the story to justify this conclusion. Hence my first comment. I was not focused on the exact mechanics of her initial travel, because in my mind it’s forcing her to stay there that was a form of kidnapping, whether she had initially come willingly or not.

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GlutenFreeJesus Dec 11, 2015 • 4:05:40pm

re: #257 thedopefishlives

If it wasn’t for the unfortunate rash of dick-pic publicity from prominent politicians, it might’ve happened.

There’s still a chance. Don’t give up hope!

If he were to do that. Or even grab it over his pants and make a “Suck it!” gesture, his poll numbers would only go up.

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Nyet Dec 11, 2015 • 4:05:50pm

re: #256 Stanley Sea Toujours

The recreation as a six year old though.

Yep.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 4:06:16pm

re: #244 CuriousLurker

It was a happy story in the end.

Shit, ask my mom about travails & happy endings. She never want’s to discuss the travails. EVER.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 4:06:48pm

re: #247 freetoken

Just because I know you don’t want to miss it.

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thecommodore Dec 11, 2015 • 4:06:50pm

boingboing.net

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Skip Intro Dec 11, 2015 • 4:08:18pm

re: #251 freetoken

So, what outrageous thing will Trump utter tonight?

He won’t say anything. He’ll attack the media, maybe Ted Cruz, Muslims, cop killers.

Then he’ll spend the rest of the night reminding the audience how great he is, in all ways, in everything he does.

In other words, just another standard Trump event.

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Kid A Dec 11, 2015 • 4:10:43pm

re: #264 Skip Intro

You forgot the 35,812 mentions of how YUUUUGE! his lead is in the polls.

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Kid A Dec 11, 2015 • 4:11:33pm

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:12:36pm

That youtube link has the chat turned on.

You can pretty much guess what is streaming across it.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:13:36pm

Larry Frye MrBillGoode. I would say very limited immigration, and then only high IQ

Yeah, a cross between Freepers and Stormfront.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:15:32pm

MrBiIIGoode Stop sending billions to Africa

Yup, these are the Trump supporters.

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 4:16:25pm

re: #269 freetoken

Yup, these are the Trump supporters.

Seen on my FB feed: “Stop sending foreign aid, they’ll just keep hating us for free.” The stupid, it burns sometime.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 4:18:58pm

re: #270 thedopefishlives

Seen on my FB feed: “Stop sending foreign aid, they’ll just keep hating us for free.” The stupid, it burns sometime.

these are the ones who don’t believe any data on how much federal money is spent on what because they know their imagination is more accurate than any facts, and therefore firmly believe most of the budget is spent on “welfare” and foreign aid, while the armed forces have to hold a bake sale to buy a jeep

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sagehen Dec 11, 2015 • 4:19:44pm

re: #244 CuriousLurker

Maybe you’re right, but there’s no way to be even remotely sure—again, because there was much war & upheaval going on at the time and neither of us knows what was considered a minor at the time. I know that until a couple of years ago the minimum legal age for marriage was 17 (it’s now 18), but who knows what it was before that? I sure don’t. A quick Google search tells me the age of (sexual) consent in Israel is currently 16, but I have no clue what it might have been in 1947.

In 1947, a lot of teenage “israelis” were sole survivor DP’s, with no papers of any kind. They weren’t considered minors. A girl who ran away from home to marry someone and join his family, in the part of the country where the UK protectorate had different kinds of laws for different ethnic populations and was preparing to disengage entirely… and it sounds like she might have faked her death to run way in the first place? Not sure she even thought she had any right to leave the in-laws.

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retired cynic Dec 11, 2015 • 4:19:48pm

re: #246 freetoken

Lord, what happened to his head? (I assume it is just a weird angle, but it looks like his head was jello, and it got poured into a box to set up.)

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Skip Intro Dec 11, 2015 • 4:21:02pm

re: #265 Kid A

You forgot the 35,812 mentions of how YUUUUGE! his lead is in the polls.

You’re right, I did.

I don’t know how I could have forgotten that.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:21:20pm

re: #273 retired cynic

It seems to me that Trump’s look has been changing rather significantly the past few months, since he started running.

I’m not so sure he’s not one of those shape-shifting lizard aliens we keep hearing about.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 4:21:20pm

OK. Update. Got my bait & switch luggage from Amazon today. Remember my first set, bought at a freaking great price on Black Friday 11/27. Day of delivery email, er, won’t be there or another week. After I’m outta here. Cancelled.

Classic bait & switch. I bought the only one comparable with a guaranteed delivery date of today. 50% more. Ya, the black friday one was a GOOD DEAL.

So, I’m following my Fed Ex delivery like a snake. Screen door open, I can hear the truck.

All of a sudden it comes up “delivered”

WTF? I run out my front door to see if pkg there. (heard about that scam from CL)

I greet the dude walking up with my pkg. I gave & he accepted water bottle. Sorry for the distrust Fed Ex.

Now I pack. Can you tell I’m excited? 20 days East Coast!!!

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Nyet Dec 11, 2015 • 4:23:20pm

re: #272 sagehen

Not sure she even thought she had any right to leave the in-laws.

Who, if true, seem to have used her as an incubator.

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jaunte Dec 11, 2015 • 4:25:08pm

Fox News continues to agitate the freakout about Syrian refugees.

ISIS could print fake Syrian passports, feds warn https://t.co/SZMzlvmK0g #TCOT #THEMBNG

— Ronald Dwyer (@ronalddwyer) December 11, 2015

Why is the media including @FoxNews just now reporting ISIS is making fake passports? We have known this for months. #CatchUp

— Mary Forbes (@MaryForbes14) December 11, 2015

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 4:25:19pm

re: #273 retired cynic

Lord, what happened to his head? (I assume it is just a weird angle, but it looks like his head was jello, and it got poured into a box to set up.)

The emperor at certain camera angles HAS NO FUCKING HAIR. And his whole existence is to fake it. So telling.

Thanks for pointing back to that photo…a keeper

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:25:47pm

Irony is not lost:

Susan Hamilton I wish Trump could get to the office before Obama creates civil war.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 4:26:05pm

re: #275 freetoken

It seems to me that Trump’s look has been changing rather significantly the past few months, since he started running.

I’m not so sure he’s not one of those shape-shifting lizard aliens we keep hearing about.

He’s aging, horribly. Gonna kill him.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:28:01pm

So, who would want one of those seats in the special bleachers, behind Trump? You know, the ones where you get to stare at his fat ass for an hour while your image is plastered all over the world?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 4:28:36pm

will listen to the trump rally starting now in iowa ~~because im insane and obsessed with politics~~ to keep you all up to date in case he comes up with any new fascist ideas

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Belafon Dec 11, 2015 • 4:30:07pm

re: #278 jaunte

Fox News continues to agitate the freakout about Syrian refugees.

[Embedded content]

Went to her feed, and found she’s a loon.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:30:27pm

re: #283 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Uh huh… just like Santorum peeks at gay porn just so that he can be knowledgeable about what he speaks.

We know how this all starts…

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lockjawcanbefun Dec 11, 2015 • 4:30:28pm

re: #282 freetoken

The off chance you can see yourself on TV as it airs and give him bunny ears?

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:31:25pm

It’s raining in Iowa tonight… these people were probably just looking for shelter.

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compound_Idaho Dec 11, 2015 • 4:31:33pm

re: #276 Stanley Sea Toujours

FedEx delivered a package I sent 6 weeks late. Problem was I was renting the item at $60/day. Left me with a steep bill. They refunded my $128 shipping bill. Thanks bunches.

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Belafon Dec 11, 2015 • 4:31:50pm

re: #283 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

will listen to the trump rally starting now in iowa ~~because im insane and obsessed with politics~~ to keep you all up to date in case he comes up with any new fascist ideas

My son’s in Indianola, and has been attending numerous rallies. I don’t think he even bothers with Trump’s.

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 4:33:08pm

For those who might be interested, ESPN did a video feature on one of my favorite traditions from my alma mater. You can view the video here.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:34:37pm

I believe it’s being held in this place:

iowastatefairgrounds.org

Says it can hold 10,000 as a theatre, but it doesn’t look like the whole building is set up, from the video feed.

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Skip Intro Dec 11, 2015 • 4:36:15pm

Just checked the Trump feed. They’re playing some kind of weird disco/trance music while they await the arrival of the Great Man. Must be some kind of mind control thing.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 4:37:24pm

re: #291 freetoken

I believe it’s being held in this place:

iowastatefairgrounds.org

Says it can hold 10,000 as a theatre, but it doesn’t look like the whole building is set up, from the video feed.

the video says the event is being held in the Varied Industries Building

i think that’s off of Miscellaneous Boulevard

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:38:30pm

re: #292 Skip Intro

If they played the music backwards we would hear “Buy My Steaks”.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 4:39:02pm

re: #292 Skip Intro

Just checked the Trump feed. They’re playing some kind of weird disco/trance music while they await the arrival of the Great Man. Must be some kind of mind control thing.

were just lucky fascism didn’t arrive 60 years ago or else we’d have to endure it with dean martin renditions and hits from musicals played by symphony orchestras

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BeachDem Dec 11, 2015 • 4:39:44pm

Short, sweet and to the point:

Frank Luntz decided to put some Trump supporters in a room. He asked them questions and then America died…

It is the holiday season, so I’ll moderate my remarks to the point of mentioning that everybody quoted in this piece is a moron. And Frank Luntz has played a major role down through the decades in making them such. Going around, coming around…

esquire.com

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compound_Idaho Dec 11, 2015 • 4:41:28pm

re: #290 thedopefishlives

For those who might be interested, ESPN did a video feature on one of my favorite traditions from my alma mater. You can view the video here.

Very cool tradition, until someone declares “silent night” a macro aggression against non Christians.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Dec 11, 2015 • 4:42:01pm

.@realDonaldTrump You are a disgrace not only to the GOP but to all America. Withdraw from the U.S presidential race as you will never win.

— الوليد بن طلال (@Alwaleed_Talal) December 11, 2015

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:42:51pm

Who is the warm up?

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:43:20pm

Tana Gertz… from The Apprentice, of course.

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thedopefishlives Dec 11, 2015 • 4:44:52pm

re: #297 compound_Idaho

Very cool tradition, until someone declares “silent night” a macro aggression against non Christians.

They’re not as batshit cray-cray as, say, Liberty U.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:45:22pm

Who knew that “The Apprentice” was training apprentices for the next glorious revolution?

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jaunte Dec 11, 2015 • 4:45:44pm

re: #296 BeachDem

Good story on Frank Luntz linked there:

“…Luntz’s most notorious memo may be the one he sent out in 2003 about the threat of global warming: “Should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly. Therefore, you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue” — even though no such “lack of scientific certainty” exists.
……………………………………..
Luntz may find the inner peace he craves by escaping, but the city he leaves behind will still have plenty of Republicans who share his disgust with what the GOP has become. They just won’t have the author of their misery.”
cbsnews.com

………

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 4:46:27pm

mr trump isn’t anything like the media portrays him

just who is that guy with the funny hair making all those speeches on teevee then???

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:47:00pm

Questions!!

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EPR-radar Dec 11, 2015 • 4:47:00pm

re: #298 Eric The Fruit Bat
If I were on twitter, I’d have to ask: In what way is Trump a disgrace to the GOP?

Fundamentally he is more honest than most GOPers, because he has dispensed with the code-speak and dog whistles.

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compound_Idaho Dec 11, 2015 • 4:50:25pm

re: #301 thedopefishlives

That list can get pretty long.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 4:51:47pm

re: #304 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

mr trump isn’t anything like the media portrays him

just who is that guy with the funny hair making all those speeches on teevee then???

Obviously someone brainwashed by Obummer and George Soros to say these things.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:52:48pm

Why is there never any mandolin music at these things?

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Dark_Falcon Dec 11, 2015 • 4:53:28pm

re: #294 freetoken

If they played the music backwards we would hear “Buy My Steaks”.

I though it would be “Yvan eht Nioj.” But I guess that got nixed when Trump started attacking John McCain.

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b.d. Dec 11, 2015 • 4:56:07pm

I sure am glad I didn’t spend that extra million and buy a condo in one of those Trump buildings. If I did own a place there I would be ashamed to tell people where I lived and nervous that some maniac might target my building because of the name on the front of it.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:56:20pm

Sort of pedestrian bunting.

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De Kolta Chair Dec 11, 2015 • 4:57:52pm

It’s becoming more and more obvious by the hour that Trump would like to have Ben Carson as his running mate, which might explain the rumors that next week Carson will release a cover version of Peggy March’s “I Will Follow Him.”

(That “Wind Up Doll” is on the flip side is purely coincidental, wink wink.)

Little Peggy March - I will follow him (best version)

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 4:58:03pm

What a weird bit of explanation someone just put on that video about protestors.

I don’t know if it was the youtube channel or if the audio was piped in from the sound booth in Des Moines, but it was creepy.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 4:59:35pm

the trump organization has released an estimate that mr trump’s hair is 74% ready at this time

316

freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 5:02:02pm

Trump is late. Surely they’ll blame the rain.

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De Kolta Chair Dec 11, 2015 • 5:03:32pm

re: #315 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the trump organization has released an estimate that mr trump’s hair is 74% ready at this time

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b.d. Dec 11, 2015 • 5:04:30pm

re: #316 freetoken

Trump is late. Surely they’ll blame the rain.

[trump ] I am not late, all of your watches are wrong. I am never late, I am the most timely person that has ever walked the earth [/trump]

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FormerDirtDart Dec 11, 2015 • 5:04:49pm

The US urges Americans not to visit Lebanon -“Sudden outbreaks of violence can occur”. No irony apparently intended. https://t.co/qGg7k8pnHH

— Liz Sly (@LizSly) December 12, 2015

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goddamnedfrank Dec 11, 2015 • 5:04:51pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Can you answer me this? Why is this sort of lying acceptable in your party? Why is it acceptable to attack the name of an organization that does a ton of good things for poor women especially’s health? What the fuck is your party’s fucking problem where this is acceptable?

I don’t think Dark wants to answer this LOL. What’s funny is that at 13 years of age CJ Pearson finally managed to realize that he was being lied to and manipulated into supporting a political movement riddled with abject racist liars. Yet Dark still manages to treat his GOP affiliation like it’s some kind of lifetime unbreakable gang membership.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 5:06:56pm

Largest townhall meeting in the history of Iowa - talking head sez.

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BeachDem Dec 11, 2015 • 5:07:02pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Obviously someone brainwashed by Obummer and George Soros to say these things.

That’s what they think—it’s all the Democrats’ fault. This mind-numbing bit of idiocy from that Federalist article:

Trump makes sweeping statements with firmness and conviction, tenaciously holding on even when they are proven false—which is attractive to Americans who are sick of progressives’ self-serving narrative about how everyone is wrong except them.

Progressives, in their overreach, provoked their opposite. Their hypocrisy, double standards, and ruinous public policy have created a thirst for something, anything that looks and feels and smells different. Trump’s ideology is different but, with its nativism, bellicosity, and celebration of jack-booted big-government, it is also at least half-fascist.

Well, alrighty then.

Hunter’s take on it is excellent:

The overall premise, however, is that “the left” created Donald Trump, in that the Republican presidential race, party, and totem of ideas has been put through a wood chipper by Donald Trump and his fellow extremists only because the left goaded an apparently brick-stupid Republican base into it. The left, you see, tries so hard to be Gallant that it can’t be helped if fed-up Goofus eventually starts setting fires and eating people’s skins just to get attention. Or something—it gets a bit sketchy…

So conservatives like Donald Trump because he gives voice to white grievance, and because he is an unapologetic liar even about easily provable things, and because he is an autocrat who doesn’t give a rat’s ass what the laws and Constitution say, and because he flat-out doesn’t trust brown people. There you go.

dailykos.com

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Danack Dec 11, 2015 • 5:09:57pm

This is an amazing photograph of Jeb Bush. https://t.co/eUcLbyK7Ul pic.twitter.com/LKDYAFePlp

— New Republic (@NewRepublic) December 11, 2015

Sometimes a photo really captures the essence of a campaign.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 5:10:15pm

re: #322 BeachDem

That’s what they think—it’s all the Democrats’ fault. This mind-numbing bit of idiocy from that Federalist article:

Well, alrighty then.

Hunter’s take on it is excellent:

The overall premise, however, is that “the left” created Donald Trump, in that the Republican presidential race, party, and totem of ideas has been put through a wood chipper by Donald Trump and his fellow extremists only because the left goaded an apparently brick-stupid Republican base into it. The left, you see, tries so hard to be Gallant that it can’t be helped if fed-up Goofus eventually starts setting fires and eating people’s skins just to get attention. Or something—it gets a bit sketchy…

So conservatives like Donald Trump because he gives voice to white grievance, and because he is an unapologetic liar even about easily provable things, and because he is an autocrat who doesn’t give a rat’s ass what the laws and Constitution say, and because he flat-out doesn’t trust brown people. There you go.

dailykos.com

i heard glen beck - who is opposed to trump - call trump a “right progressive”, and lump him in with “left progressives”

wtf???

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 5:11:35pm

re: #288 compound_Idaho

FedEx delivered a package I sent 6 weeks late. Problem was I was renting the item at $60/day. Left me with a steep bill. They refunded my $128 shipping bill. Thanks bunches.

FedEx - When it absolutely, positively has to be there tomorrow.

Or the next day.

Or some day.

Or not.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 5:14:16pm

Attacks Cruz on oil money… but doesn’t get a big reaction.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 5:15:09pm

trump attack on cruz is underway

cruz is a pawn of big oil because trump is praising ethanol in ethanol country

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 5:15:16pm

re: #290 thedopefishlives

For those who might be interested, ESPN did a video feature on one of my favorite traditions from my alma mater. You can view the video here.

TAYLOR! Excellent.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 5:17:56pm

re: #312 freetoken

Sort of pedestrian bunting.

Is that when you want to hit walking people with a baseball bat, but not very hard?
//

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Stanley Sea Toujours Dec 11, 2015 • 5:18:02pm

re: #317 De Kolta Chair

Embedded Image

The editorial cartoons are epic.

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Skip Intro Dec 11, 2015 • 5:18:05pm

Trump speech update. So far he’s used the word ‘I’ a couple of hundred times.

That is all.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 5:18:27pm

re: #324 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i heard glen beck - who is opposed to trump - call trump a “right progressive”, and lump him in with “left progressives”

wtf???

Good grief, these people refuse to take any responsibility for their ideology’s own destructiveness. Go ahead Glenn call Donald a progressive but he’s all right wing and all yours.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 5:18:28pm

Make America Safe Again.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 5:19:41pm

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

I don’t think Dark wants to answer this LOL. What’s funny is that at 13 years of age CJ Pearson finally managed to realize that he was being lied to and manipulated into supporting a political movement riddled with abject racist liars. Yet Dark still manages to treat his GOP affiliation like it’s some kind of lifetime unbreakable gang membership.

When you’re a Jet you’re a Jet all the way,
From your first cigarette to your last dying day!

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b.d. Dec 11, 2015 • 5:19:58pm

2017

TRUMP WAS A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT

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EPR-radar Dec 11, 2015 • 5:20:44pm

re: #332 HappyWarrior

Good grief, these people refuse to take any responsibility for their ideology’s own destructiveness. Go ahead Glenn call Donald a progressive but he’s all right wing and all yours.

Nobody know what Donald Trump is, because nobody can be sure whether or not he believes what he is saying.

However, it is 100% clear that he’s going after the GOP base so carefully marinated for decades in fear, bigotry and stupidity by Fox News et al.

Trump is a creature of the right because the voters he’s going after are RWNJs.

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compound_Idaho Dec 11, 2015 • 5:21:02pm

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

I don’t think Dark wants to answer this LOL. What’s funny is that at 13 years of age CJ Pearson finally managed to realize that he was being lied to and manipulated into supporting a political movement riddled with abject racist liars. Yet Dark still manages to treat his GOP affiliation like it’s some kind of lifetime unbreakable gang membership.

Clinton has very shaky record on truth telling. The easiest examples are the trivial, “snipers” et. al. If you are willing to lie when it doesn’t matter, what does that say about your veracity when it does.

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Shiplord Kirel Dec 11, 2015 • 5:21:23pm

re: #323 Danack

[Embedded content]

Sometimes a photo really captures the essence of a campaign.

Yikes! What the hell happened to that family? Could it have been some weird chemicals from the unregulated Texas oil industry of the 50s, one that affects only the very young? Consider: GHW and Barbara were both in their 20s before they moved to Midland. W was born in Connecticutt but moved to Midland as a toddler. John “Jeb,” though, was born in Midland after the family had lived there several years. What was in the water? Come to think of it, what wasn’t?

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EPR-radar Dec 11, 2015 • 5:22:11pm

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

I don’t think Dark wants to answer this LOL. What’s funny is that at 13 years of age CJ Pearson finally managed to realize that he was being lied to and manipulated into supporting a political movement riddled with abject racist liars. Yet Dark still manages to treat his GOP affiliation like it’s some kind of lifetime unbreakable gang membership.

It will be interesting to see how this party loyalty works out should Trump or Cruz end up being the nominee.

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De Kolta Chair Dec 11, 2015 • 5:23:02pm

Apropos of absolutely nothing, this paragraph from Stephen Budiansky’s recent book about the WWII Atlantic campaign, “Blackett’s War; The Men Who Defeated the Nazi U-Boats and Brought Science To The Art of Science,” just now made me chuckle so much that I have to share:

Worst of all was the food. The Americans were literally incredulous at how bad the meals were at the RAF mess. “Unbelievably bad,” recalled one American officer. “The mess seemed to be a continuous diet of cabbage. Brussels sprouts were considered a rare treat and once we were given cauliflower with a cream sauce for dessert!” That apparently was the norm in the wartime service; and RAF officer at another base in England recalled endless breakfasts of pig’s liver and the mess hall’s “combined tea and cocoa urn” that produced tea-flavored cocoa at breakfast and cocoa-flavored tea at supper. [U.S. Lt. Col. Jack] Robert’s men were eagerly awaiting the establishment of their own mess, which they had been promised would begin operating in February, and the chance to have “some real American chow.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 5:24:16pm

re: #335 b.d.

2017

TRUMP WAS A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT

count on it!

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BeachDem Dec 11, 2015 • 5:24:47pm

re: #311 b.d.

I sure am glad I didn’t spend that extra million and buy a condo in one of those Trump buildings. If I did own a place there I would be ashamed to tell people where I lived and nervous that some maniac might target my building because of the name on the front of it.

I believe that is already happening at the Trump Chicago building.

Trump Tower residents are fed up with The Donald’s brash rhetoric. Several Trump Tower residents interviewed by Tribune reporter Kim Janssen admit to omitting Trump’s name when they are discussing where they live.

chicago.curbed.com

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EPR-radar Dec 11, 2015 • 5:25:03pm

re: #337 compound_Idaho

Clinton has very shaky record on truth telling. The easiest examples are the trivial, “snipers” et. al. If you are willing to lie when it doesn’t matter, what does that say about your veracity when it does.

I’ve never thought the Clintons told unusually many lies (for politicians). Certainly nothing on the Democratic side of the aisle can compare to the systematic denial of reality that is the GOP starting ground on all issues (climate change denial, ACORN bullshit, planned parenthood propaganda, endless racist dog whistling , etc. etc. etc.).

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 5:25:30pm

questioning cruz’s evangelical credentials: “i don’t think a lot of evangelicals come out of cuba do you?”

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 5:26:18pm

“run the table” - casino talk, seems appropriate.

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EPR-radar Dec 11, 2015 • 5:26:45pm

re: #344 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

questioning cruz’s evangelical credentials: “i don’t think a lot of evangelicals come out of cuba do you?”

That’s not very bright, Mr. Trump. Religion is a matter of faith, not ethnicity.

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De Kolta Chair Dec 11, 2015 • 5:28:23pm

re: #342 BeachDem

I believe that is already happening at the Trump Chicago building.

Trump Tower residents are fed up with The Donald’s brash rhetoric. Several Trump Tower residents interviewed by Tribune reporter Kim Janssen admit to omitting Trump’s name when they are discussing where they live.

chicago.curbed.com

As a NYer, I’ve seen a couple of articles like that lately about Trump’s tenants here talking much the same, but I’ve yet to read the headline, “I Moved Out of My Trump Condo And Here’s Why.”

In other words, I’ll believe it when I see it.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 5:29:26pm

Trump playing the “first in the nation card” - which is very smart of him.

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b.d. Dec 11, 2015 • 5:29:46pm

re: #342 BeachDem

I believe that is already happening at the Trump Chicago building.

Trump Tower residents are fed up with The Donald’s brash rhetoric. Several Trump Tower residents interviewed by Tribune reporter Kim Janssen admit to omitting Trump’s name when they are discussing where they live.

chicago.curbed.com

It really is a cool building in Chicago though I hated it when they were building it.

Alas, no matter what happens it will always be The Trump Tower, I still call the place where the Astros play Enron Field as a “never forget” reminder.

350

freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 5:30:32pm

“… step on their throats …” says the Trump worker….

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Barefoot Grin Dec 11, 2015 • 5:30:49pm

re: #303 jaunte

Good story on Frank Luntz linked there:

………

Gingrich for fucks’ sake.

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blueraven Dec 11, 2015 • 5:31:41pm

re: #337 compound_Idaho

Clinton has very shaky record on truth telling. The easiest examples are the trivial, “snipers” et. al. If you are willing to lie when it doesn’t matter, what does that say about your veracity when it does.

Yeah but she admitted it, apologized and was suitably embarrassed over the whole thing.
Carly keeps lying when confronted with evidence to the contrary.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 5:33:13pm

re: #343 EPR-radar

I’ve never thought the Clintons told unusually many lies (for politicians). Certainly nothing on the Democratic side of the aisle can compare to the systematic denial of reality that is the GOP starting ground on all issues (climate change denial, ACORN bullshit, planned parenthood propaganda, endless racist dog whistling , etc. etc. etc.).

Besides, I was talking about the party as a whole. Carly isn’t the only GOPer to take part in this smear campaign of lies on PP. This is a lie and DF ahs admitted it as a lie. What I really want to know from him directly is why these lies directed at an organization that does tons of good work for poor women’s health is deserving of the treatment its gotten form the GOP. I mean if he wants to say flat out that poor women’s health issues aren’t his concern as a man of some privilege, that’s fine but I really want to know how you can stay devoted to a party that you know full well is lying about this.

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freetoken Dec 11, 2015 • 5:35:29pm

The questioner asked for specifics… and got none.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 5:36:18pm

“how will you save social security?”

under trump the economy will be so great social security will be fully funded. also, waste, fraud and abuse

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De Kolta Chair Dec 11, 2015 • 5:36:40pm

re: #348 freetoken

Trump playing the “first in the nation card” - which is very smart of him.

That’s quite exceptional of him.

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BeachDem Dec 11, 2015 • 5:37:05pm

re: #349 b.d.

It really is a cool building in Chicago though I hated it when they were building it.

Alas, no matter what happens it will always be The Trump Tower, I still call the place where the Astros play Enron Field as a “never forget” reminder.

And, as an official old, I remember the Astrodome (actually got to see Vida Blue pitch at an Astros/Giants from the perspective of the bullpen, which was behind home plate if I remember correctly. A friend worked in PR for the Astros at the time.) Somewhere, I have a piece of original Astroturf from when they tore it out of the Astrodome. Did I say old? I meant ancient!

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compound_Idaho Dec 11, 2015 • 5:38:41pm

re: #343 EPR-radar

I can’t get past her dishonesty, personal weakness, or political positions. She is a 100% political animal, but aren’t they all.

359

Jenner7 Dec 11, 2015 • 5:39:40pm

“Hillary violated many, many laws.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 5:40:28pm

question: “when you are president, will you put hillary in jail?”

priorities, priorities…

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Jenner7 Dec 11, 2015 • 5:41:01pm

Got a heckler…

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 5:42:35pm

re: #343 EPR-radar

I’ve never thought the Clintons told unusually many lies (for politicians). Certainly nothing on the Democratic side of the aisle can compare to the systematic denial of reality that is the GOP starting ground on all issues (climate change denial, ACORN bullshit, planned parenthood propaganda, endless racist dog whistling , etc. etc. etc.).

But look how effective has been the campaign to brand them as mendacious! I saw a panel on MSNBC, before HRC gutted the BENGHAZIIII!! Committee on live TV, where one panelist was going on and on about how the Clintons insist on sailing close to the wind, etc.. Somebody else pointed out that none of the email stuff was illegal, it was all allowed under the rules at the time, and that everything HRC had done - separating work from nonwork emails and providing the former to State - was all done the way it’s supposed to work.

But he went right back to talking about ‘sailing close to the wind’.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 5:42:49pm

protester eruption

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compound_Idaho Dec 11, 2015 • 5:47:02pm

re: #360 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

If she gets indicted will you vote for her?re: #362 Blind Frog Belly White

But look how effective has been the campaign to brand them as mendacious! I saw a panel on MSNBC, before HRC gutted the BENGHAZIIII!! Committee on live TV, where one panelist was going on and on about how the Clintons insist on sailing close to the wind, etc.. Somebody else pointed out that none of the email stuff was illegal, it was all allowed under the rules at the time, and that everything HRC had done - separating work from nonwork emails and providing the former to State - was all done the way it’s supposed to work.

But he went right back to talking about ‘sailing close to the wind’.

What a load of shit. I have held a security clearance. If I had pulled any of that shit I would have been fired and charged.

365

goddamnedfrank Dec 11, 2015 • 5:47:15pm

re: #337 compound_Idaho

Clinton has very shaky record on truth telling. The easiest examples are the trivial, “snipers” et. al. If you are willing to lie when it doesn’t matter, what does that say about your veracity when it does.

“Both sides are bad”®

Give it up.

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De Kolta Chair Dec 11, 2015 • 5:48:22pm

re: #349 b.d.

It really is a cool building in Chicago though I hated it when they were building it.

Alas, no matter what happens it will always be The Trump Tower, I still call the place where the Astros play Enron Field as a “never forget” reminder.

Chicagoans are justly proud of the buildings designed by the great Louis Sullivan. Funny fact: the only Sullivan building here in NYC is the Bayard-Condict Building, just a block away from one of the all-time great dive bars, Milano’s, on Houston bwt Mott & Mullberry Streets.

Detail of the Bayard-Condict Building. Gorgeous

Milano’s Bar

Srsly, the next time you visit New York City you have to check out this legendary joint.

367

EPR-radar Dec 11, 2015 • 5:48:24pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Besides, I was talking about the party as a whole. Carly isn’t the only GOPer to take part in this smear campaign of lies on PP. This is a lie and DF ahs admitted it as a lie. What I really want to know from him directly is why these lies directed at an organization that does tons of good work for poor women’s health is deserving of the treatment its gotten form the GOP. I mean if he wants to say flat out that poor women’s health issues aren’t his concern as a man of some privilege, that’s fine but I really want to know how you can stay devoted to a party that you know full well is lying about this.

The usual answer to questions like this is that such tactics are useful for motivating the base and defeating Democrats.

It’s a very operational point of view that ever-so-conveniently skips over the unfortunate fact that the GOP is shit.

368

goddamnedfrank Dec 11, 2015 • 5:49:23pm

“If she gets indicted” LOL!

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Dark_Falcon Dec 11, 2015 • 5:49:35pm

re: #349 b.d.

It really is a cool building in Chicago though I hated it when they were building it.

Alas, no matter what happens it will always be The Trump Tower, I still call the place where the Astros play Enron Field as a “never forget” reminder.

It is grand, and whatever my feeling about Donald Trump running for president Chicago’s Trump Tower is something he did right. It was bound to be controversial, though, since it displaced the Hancock Building as the second-tallest skyscraper in Chicago (the Willis (Sears) Tower remains the tallest).

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 5:49:57pm

re: #364 compound_Idaho

What a load of shit. I have held a security clearance. If I had pulled any of that shit I would have been fired and charged.

Sorry, chum, but you weren’t Secretary of State, so your experience is worth precisely dick.

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EPR-radar Dec 11, 2015 • 5:50:02pm

re: #364 compound_Idaho

If she gets indicted will you vote for her?

What a load of shit. I have held a security clearance. If I had pulled any of that shit I would have been fired and charged.

IIRC, the agencies that initially raised concerns about handling of classified material have since withdrawn those concerns.

This would appear to be a zombie GOP talking point.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 5:50:52pm

re: #371 EPR-radar

IIRC, the agencies that initially raised concerns about handling of classified material have since withdrawn those concerns.

This would appear to be a zombie GOP talking point.

Raised by a Zombie GOP Talking Plant.

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WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 5:51:44pm

re: #371 EPR-radar

IIRC, the agencies that initially raised concerns about handling of classified material have since withdrawn those concerns.

This would appear to be a zombie GOP talking point.

Which will never die.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 5:52:13pm

re: #364 compound_Idaho

If she gets indicted will you vote for her?

If she doesn’t get indicted, will you finally admit you’re wrong and shut the hell up?

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compound_Idaho Dec 11, 2015 • 5:53:19pm

re: #371 EPR-radar

They should forward that to the FBI

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WhatEVs Dec 11, 2015 • 5:54:21pm

re: #374 Blind Frog Belly White

If she doesn’t get indicted, will you finally admit you’re wrong and shut the hell up?

Doubt it. It’s been shown over and over that what she did was both allowed and what prior SOS’s did, yet s/he still bitches about it.

No, not “doubt it”, no. S/he’s not going to STFU.

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b.d. Dec 11, 2015 • 5:55:02pm

re: #369 Dark_Falcon

It is grand, and whatever my feeling about Donald Trump running for president Chicago’s Trump Tower is something he did right. It was bound to be controversial, though, since it displaced the Hancock Building as the second-tallest skyscraper in Chicago (the Willis (Sears) Tower remains the tallest).

The 2nd tallest is that bland and soulless AON building that might as well be designed by a bunch of soviet architects

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compound_Idaho Dec 11, 2015 • 5:55:06pm

re: #374 Blind Frog Belly White

If she doesn’t get indicted, will you finally admit you’re wrong and shut the hell up?

No.

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b.d. Dec 11, 2015 • 5:55:57pm

re: #377 b.d.

The 2nd tallest is that bland and souless AON building that might as well be designed by a bunch of soviet architects

*was*

edit

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 11, 2015 • 5:57:20pm

re: #378 compound_Idaho

No.

Imagine my surprise.

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HappyWarrior Dec 11, 2015 • 5:58:06pm

re: #367 EPR-radar

The usual answer to questions like this is that such tactics are useful for motivating the base and defeating Democrats.

It’s a very operational point of view that ever-so-conveniently skips over the unfortunate fact that the GOP is shit.

Well I tried. i guess.

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compound_Idaho Dec 11, 2015 • 6:02:07pm

re: #380 Blind Frog Belly White

So the secretary of state sets up a private server and conducts government business over her personal email account. This is not difficult. This is not complicated. This is just stupid.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 6:03:31pm

re: #364 compound_Idaho

If she gets indicted will you vote for her?

the plausibility of the theory that she violated the law and will be indicted shrinks with every passing day that nothing happens

but if im wrong and she is indicted, how do you suppose that she could continue to run for president?

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compound_Idaho Dec 11, 2015 • 6:08:09pm

re: #383 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

If anyone else had pulled this stunt they would be in deep shit.

She on the other hand will pretend like nothing happened (stained blue dress) and continue her run for president.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 11, 2015 • 6:12:14pm

re: #384 compound_Idaho

If anyone else had pulled this stunt they would be in deep shit.

She on the other hand will pretend like nothing happened (stained blue dress) and continue her run for president.

who would you like to be president?

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Dark_Falcon Dec 11, 2015 • 6:23:38pm

re: #377 b.d.

The 2nd tallest is that bland and soulless AON building that might as well be designed by a bunch of soviet architects

It was designed by the same firm that designed the original World Trade Center, so that’s why it looks as it does. But my dad worked there when it was still the Amoco Building, so my feelings towards it will always be warmer than yours.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Dec 11, 2015 • 6:48:45pm

re: #383 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the plausibility of the theory that she violated the law and will be indicted shrinks with every passing day that nothing happens

Look how long it took to bring Petreaus to trial. And now the Army is recommending no further punishment under the UCMJ-tho which I say, he should lose his military pension at a minimum-especially for violating 18 USC 1001—if any of us did that we’d do time.

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