Donald Trump Campaign Paid Breitbart “News” Editor

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Many people (including yours truly) have questioned the incredibly friendly — one might almost say sycophantic — relationship between the Donald Trump campaign and Breitbart “News,” but today Rosie Gray at Buzzfeed reports that at least one Breitbart editor has actually been paid by the Trump campaign for “consulting work.”

WASHINGTON — Donald Trump’s campaign paid Breitbart News national security editor Sebastian Gorka $8,000 for “policy consulting” last year, according to Federal Election Commission filings.

The filings show that the payment to Gorka was made in October.

[…]

Gorka has been repeatedly identified on Breitbart as Breitbart’s national security editor, with an appearance on Monday on Breitbart chairman Steve Bannon’s satellite radio show being the most recent example. Gorka has also written frequently for the site, though not since December.

Earlier this year, Gorka was reportedly caught trying to go through security at Reagan Airport in February with a handgun.

In the right wing media world, this kind of cozy relationship between candidates for office and the people reporting on them is not unusual at all.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:18:11pm

This will be a terrible blow to Breitbart’s credibil… aw I can’t even finish typing that.

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:19:01pm

Right wing outlets wont make hay of that - coordinating news, efforts, etc., but if Hillary gets favorable news or the DNC acts with inuring benefit to Hillary, you can be sure that they’ll all be hollering that there’s a conspiracy/coordination, and that the FEC better investigate.

SS/DD.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:20:53pm

This is how Shaun King responded to having it pointed out that two entire paragraphs were copied word for word from The Daily Beats without attribution:

It’s as if he’s trying to look guilty. If this was an honest mistake, why wouldn’t he simply apologize and say it was being corrected? Instead he attacked one of the people who pointed it out and accused him of lying.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:27:06pm

Direct quotes require, oh i dunno, quotations marks. Also attributions such as: “Joe Shmoe, writing for the Daily Blow, said this: “direct quote in quotes”

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:27:45pm
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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:27:59pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

This is how Shaun King responded to having it pointed out that two entire paragraphs were copied word for word from The Daily Beats without attribution:

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It’s as if he’s trying to look guilty. If this was an honest mistake, why wouldn’t he simply apologize and say it was being corrected? Instead he attacked one of the people who pointed it out and accused him of lying.

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:29:27pm

re: #1 Jebediah, RBG

This will be a terrible blow to Breitbart’s credibil… aw I can’t even finish typing that.

Yeah, I was gonna say something about his reputation being dragged through the mud, but at 6 feet under, the soil is pretty firm.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:30:06pm

I’ll just point out that the New York Daily News’s reputation would also be damaged if one of their writers committed plagiarism. This doesn’t smell right to me.

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:30:41pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

I stated in prior thread that the Daily News should look at his other writings, but it appears that people have already begun doing that - finding similar problems.

That he quoted entire paragraphs is bad enough; it’s poor form. There was no reason he couldn’t rewrite it to include the relevant quotes. Then he blames the “editor” for taking out quotes. Well, the editor is a gatekeeper on what gets published, and they screwed up too - both in removing quotes that should have been in there - with attribution and by not asking for a rewrite to eliminate need for the block quote.

He decides to attack people for pointing out that the published material shows a block of text lifted entirely from another source and no attribution.

That’s the problem.

But contriteness isn’t part of Shaun’s vocabulary.

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Ubiq  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:32:45pm

Wait, how often do people quote multiple paragraphs of another person’s article?

Oh, about never? Right.

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withak  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:35:34pm

re: #9 lawhawk

But contriteness isn’t part of Shaun’s vocabulary.

He seems to have never found himself in a hole that he felt couldn’t use a little more digging.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:36:38pm

re: #9 lawhawk

Twice in a week’s time span suggests a pattern, not a mistake by an editor.

But that’s just me.

I guess it’s hard to produce quality journalism when you’re busy promoting Bernie on Twitter all day.

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blueraven  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:36:49pm
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Ubiq  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:37:41pm

Fun fact: In New York, you had to register as a Democrat by October to be able to vote for Bernie Sanders.

Bernie himself refused to call himself a Democrat until November.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:52:35pm

CNN is interviewing a couple who paid to attend HRC fundraiser with George Clooney.

Gosh this is just breathtaking television.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:55:07pm

Some snowboarders sued Alta Ski Area for not allowing snowboarders to use their facilities on 14th Amendment grounds, as the ski area is on federal land. No dice, Alta is still a private business, the buildings and chairlifts are subject to Alta’s whim.

Same thing happened at Taos, NM, which allows snowboarders now; certain geezers that sit on Alta’s board have to die before snowboarders can be welcomed to Alta. Regressive antiquated attitudes die hard.

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b.d.  Apr 19, 2016 • 12:55:10pm

re: #16 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

CNN is interviewing a couple who paid to attend HRC fundraiser with George Clooney.

Gosh this is just breathtaking television.

//

Did they ask them if they knew they were taking part in a crime?

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:03:24pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

Same thing happened at Taos, NM, which allows snowboarders now; certain geezers that sit on Alta’s board have to die before snowboarders can be welcomed to Alta. Regressive antiquated attitudes die hard.

Yay! Taos is ahead at something! [Having their geezers pass away?]

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:04:06pm
Atlantis.

I didn’t take a ton of photos on vacation, but we did go by KSC and enjoyed the exhibits there. (Photo conditions were a little challenging, but I think this one came out okay for not having a tripod.)

I won’t lie, I cried in the Hall commemorating Challenger and Columbia, especially seeing the cockpit windows for Columbia. So very haunting.

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bratwurst  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:04:39pm

Every day in every way we are seeing more and more of the real Donald Trump and his lack of attention to detail:

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:06:54pm

re: #15 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

that is really fricking cute! I like the tongue-bath near the end.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:10:29pm

re: #22 bratwurst

Every day in every way we are seeing more and more of the real Donald Trump and his lack of attention to detail:

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Where does that over elaborate bogus “Trump Coat of Arms” comes from?

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plansbandc  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:10:35pm

Duck break!

WATCH: Find out how these 800 ducks contribute to wine making

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:13:15pm

re: #22 bratwurst

Every day in every way we are seeing more and more of the real Donald Trump and his lack of attention to detail:

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I expect that he has people for that, and is now blowing his top at them. Can you imagine working for this blowhard?

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:13:50pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

Yay! Taos is ahead at something! [Having their geezers pass away?]

If I recall there was one guy who owned a majority share of the ski area that was vehemently opposed to snowboards. Once he kicked the bucket, they allowed snowboards. I highly suspect the same thing is going on at Alta.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:14:26pm
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makeitstop  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:16:37pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

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Maybe the editor doesn’t like Sean much, either.

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BeachDem  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:18:33pm

Again with the “maths”

Bernie’s campaign claims they made 3 million calls in NY over the weekend.

This morning, they sent out this request:

URGENT: we need 7,500 of you on the phones for one hour today to make sure Bernie supporters in New York get out to vote. If 7,500 of you get on the phones for at least one hour, we’ll put another million calls into New York when it counts the most - on primary day.

According to the “math,” in order to make 1 million calls with 7500 people calling for an hour, they’d each have to make 133+ calls per hour.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:19:30pm

re: #30 BeachDem

Again with the “maths”

Bernie’s campaign claims they made 3 million calls in NY over the weekend.

This morning, they sent out this request:

According to the “math,” in order to make 1 million calls with 7500 people calling for an hour, they’d each have to make 133+ calls per hour.

Robo-callers R us!

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:19:42pm

Ooof. That sucks for those 12,000 (!) workers.

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Jenner7  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:20:19pm

So, the Dem party is so corrupt, but Bernie as President will change all that with unicorn farts and rainbows.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:21:17pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

Excuse me, but exactly what issue do these people have with snowboarding??

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:22:46pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Excuse me, but exactly what issue do these people have with snowboarding??

The fuck if I know. Here, I’ll let some skiers at Alta speak for themselves.

Shit ALTA Skiers Say About Snowboarding

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Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:23:05pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Excuse me, but exactly what issue do these people have with snowboarding??

The snowboarders need to get off of their lawns, apparently.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:23:50pm

Shaun King is being a real asshole about this.

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:24:38pm

OFFS Shaun.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:24:52pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Shaun King is being a real asshole about this.

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Those Clintons are everywhere and involved in everything.

Maybe we should elect them.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:25:09pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

That’s a lot of work to change double quotes to singles inside the paragraph. I’m sure the editor accidentally did that without thinking about it.

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:27:23pm

re: #40 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Not necessarily. Depending on the editing program available to the Daily News, a change in quotes will edit the quotes within for appropriate style without additional input.

Hierarchy in the schema.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:27:33pm

re: #38 lawhawk

OFFS Shaun.

Shaun King’s burning an awful lot of bridges.

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Nojay UK  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:27:57pm

re: #40 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s a lot of work to change double quotes to singles inside the paragraph. I’m sure the editor accidentally did that without thinking about it.

You could reformat a block of text automatically with a small Perl script. Then again you could start a global thermonuclear war with a small Perl script while reformatting a block of text.

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No Depression  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:28:24pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Shaun King is being a real asshole about this.

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NY Daily News needs to fire this douche immediately.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:28:32pm

re: #38 lawhawk

OFFS Shaun.

Does King work for TDN or is he a syndicated columnist now?

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:29:01pm

re: #26 No Country For Old Haters

I expect that he has people for that, and is now blowing his top at them. Can you imagine working for this blowhard?

I’m guessing deliberate sabotage would be the only way to deal with the ultimate asshole boss.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:29:04pm
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Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:30:40pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Shaun King is being a real asshole about this.

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It’s SOP for someone committing plagiarism or fraud: When caught, King starts playing the part of the Persecuted Martyr, targeted by the Vile Clinton Machine.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:30:54pm
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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:31:22pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

people have no idea how boards of directors actually work, or how the relationships between parent companies and subsidiaries work, do they?

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allegro  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:32:12pm

re: #50 KGxvi

people have no idea how boards of directors actually work, or how the relationships between parent companies and subsidiaries work, do they?

I imagine there is some selective understanding at play.

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Belafon  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:32:14pm

re: #38 lawhawk

OFFS Shaun.

I think he’s implying that Chelsea pushed them to out Shaun.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:32:16pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:34:27pm

Shaun King “riding hard” for fingerpointing.

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Lidane  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:35:59pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:36:23pm

This goes out to all the Bernie Bros

Threw It On The Ground

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Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:38:01pm

It’s true the Clintons can be Machiavellian at times, but when someone starts complaining about “Clinton machinations” after a piece they wrote was revealed to include plagiarism and/or fraud, usually the Clinton family hasn’t done something to wrong the reporter. Usually the reporter is about to unmasked as both being dishonest and suffering from Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:38:27pm

Shot:

Chaser:

FAA allows renewals of aircraft registration for $5.

That’s intrusion? That’s a drag on the economy?

Nope. Sorry, not buying it. The drag on the economy is choking funding for programs that should be fast-tracked like NEXTGEN, which would make flying more efficient - for airlines getting more direct routing, to fewer delays due to congestion/airspace limitations, to better ground movements at airports.

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Lidane  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:39:38pm

Speaking of things that fly:

ROFL.

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Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:40:04pm

re: #55 Lidane

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Sad but he’s right to do so. The convention will sadly be attended by far too many angry yahoos who would like to hurt one John McCain.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:40:09pm

Aaaaand it begins—even before the polls close:

‘It’s sabotage’

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:40:20pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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bratwurst  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:43:00pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Sad but he’s right to do so. The convention will sadly be attended by far too many angry yahoos who would like to hurt one John McCain.

There is also going to be a strong loser stench emanating from the nominee that nobody seeking re-election wants to get on them.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:45:32pm
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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:45:33pm

re: #59 Lidane

It wont ground him. Just means that he’ll have to take the bigger plane instead of that puddle jumper.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:45:44pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

ICYMI: I read about this earlier today:

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:46:17pm

Meanwhile, Joe Scarborough’s hair is getting really ridiculous.

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Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:46:40pm

re: #61 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Aaaaand it begins—even before the polls close:

‘It’s sabotage’

I wonder who they’ll say is the Evil Puppet Master: Hillary Clinton, Goldman Sachs “because she shilled for them”, or maybe David Koch, who lives in NYC.

I reality, of course, there’s been no sabotage. This is just shit-stirring by people who cannot accept that they are losing an election.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:46:58pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Joe Scarborough’s hair is getting really ridiculous.

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Whatever, Jazzy Ponytail!

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:47:32pm

re: #63 bratwurst

There is also going to be a strong loser stench emanating from the nominee that nobody seeking re-election wants to get on them.

Romney probably asserted his place as ‘First Loser’, kicking McCain to the back of the stage.

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:47:52pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Matthew Perry, is that you? /

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:49:13pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

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I don’t have a lot of sympathy for them. New York isn’t the only state that has a closed primary. They had since October to re-register as Dems. It’s not pledging your loyalty. It’s committing to a party. You’re not just nominating someone for President, you’re nominating the face of your party. I’m tired of this whiny shit by Bernie supporters. Stop bitching about a perfectly, legitimate system that is commonplace in our country.

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:49:14pm

re: #51 allegro

I imagine there is some selective understanding at play.

I suspect it’s like how people think the law works… from TV and movies that bear no resemblance to reality.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:49:21pm
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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:49:29pm

re: #61 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Aaaaand it begins—even before the polls close:

‘It’s sabotage’

I went to P.S. 9

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:49:38pm

“By in large.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:49:42pm

Since I think it was mentioned earlier, here’s an update on the Whole Foods thing. (I think the headline goes a little far in saying “prove” but it’s worth evaluating both sides of the story.)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:50:02pm

re: #63 bratwurst

There is also going to be a strong loser stench emanating from the nominee that nobody seeking re-election wants to get on them.

I imagine McCain knows he’s facing the toughest re-election he’s faced in some time so he doesn’t want to be associated with either Trump, Cruz, or even Kasich.

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makeitstop  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:51:46pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

By in large, if you think I plagiarized a damn thing, you can kiss my ass. Feel free to quote that. Those are my words too.

I thought it was ‘by and large.’

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:51:55pm
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Lidane  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:52:02pm

re: #77 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:52:14pm

If registering with the Democratic party bothers you that much. You shouldn’t be taking part in that party’s nomination process for president. There I said it. You’re free to be an independent or you’re free to have some commitment to a party but you can’t have it both ways if you’re in a closed primary state.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:52:15pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

He admits he never looks at the live stories.

I’d feel some sympathy but I don’t. He’s squandered what goodwill he would have gotten from me over the past years with his inability to take criticism and correct his mistakes. Not to mention the whole fundraising debacle and attacks on other activists for raising questions.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:52:42pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s awful. 21 years old. I’ve said it a few times here, the most talented snow riders among us get picked off by the mountains with horrible regularity. It’s become tragically routine.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:54:08pm

re: #83 klys (maker of Silmarils)

He admits he never looks at the live stories.

I’d feel some sympathy but I don’t. He’s squandered what goodwill he would have gotten from me over the past years with his inability to take criticism and correct his mistakes. Not to mention the whole fundraising debacle and attacks on other activists for raising questions.

I don’t believe he never goes back and reads his stories after they’re published.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:56:27pm

re: #81 Lidane

*shrugs*

Doesn’t matter all that much to me. If folks want to boycott Whole Foods, that’s their decision to make. Their CEO is a libertarian ass anyway.

I can think of any number of explanations of why one cake might have a seal on the bottom and another might have a barcode on the top.

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Jenner7  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:57:16pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:57:17pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Hairy Asshole…….

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:57:21pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I don’t believe he never goes back and reads his stories after they’re published.

I should say he claims he doesn’t read them live.

Which is absolute stupidity if true, so either way he looks awful.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:58:16pm

New Bird spotted in the yard!! Summer Tanager. A bunch of them.

Summer Tanager — The Rosy Redbird

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Great White Snark  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:58:45pm

And there is this…

Trump Sued for Using Iconic Bald Eagle Photo Without Permission

Edited to link source rather than embed Tweet
washingtontimes.com

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Chez Ko Pe  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:59:09pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Remember when Bernie Bernie’s campaign was caught rooting around in the Dem database like an unguarded cookie jar? This was also their ultimate excuse: the DNC should’ve “handled it quietly instead of discussing it publicly.”

…because PURITY! SUNSHINE! CLEAN GOVERNMENT!

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 1:59:56pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

Just noticed that this tweet is from yesterday morning. According to this Bernie surrogate the fix was in before voting even began!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:00:37pm

re: #86 klys (maker of Silmarils)

*shrugs*

Doesn’t matter all that much to me. If folks want to boycott Whole Foods, that’s their decision to make. Their CEO is a libertarian ass anyway.

I can think of any number of explanations of why one cake might have a seal on the bottom and another might have a barcode on the top.

I used to love (//) how Albertson’s put the barcode on the top of everything, even cakes, so you had to turn them upside down to scan at the auto checkout.

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:01:41pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

“By in large.”

By Grabthar’s Hammer!

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Belafon  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:02:39pm

Buy-N-Large

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:03:13pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

It’s true the Clintons can be Machiavellian at times, but when someone starts complaining about “Clinton machinations” after a piece they wrote was revealed to include plagiarism and/or fraud, usually the Clinton family hasn’t done something to wrong the reporter. Usually the reporter is about to unmasked as both being dishonest and suffering from Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

You sure you want to bring up “Machiavellian” regarding the Clintons in the face of the fact you are having to look at voting for one Ted Cruz?

Add in the behavior of the whole Republican party during the Obama administration and I would shy away from ever hanging that on a Clinton.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:04:39pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:04:41pm
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Great White Snark  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:04:57pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

If registering with the Democratic party bothers you that much. You shouldn’t be taking part in that party’s nomination process for president. There I said it. You’re free to be an independent or you’re free to have some commitment to a party but you can’t have it both ways if you’re in a closed primary state.

I must admit this year has been a heartburn year for this indy. Especially if it comes down to California for the first time in a long time.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:05:51pm
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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:06:41pm

re: #96 Belafon

Buy-N-Large

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:09:30pm

re: #97 ObserverArt

You sure you want to bring up “Machiavellian” regarding the Clintons in the face of the fact you are having to look at voting for one Ted Cruz?

Add in the behavior of the whole Republican party during the Obama administration and I would shy away from ever hanging that on a Clinton.

Bill and Hillary Clinton have had an unprecedented (well, unprecedented till Obama came along) shitload of lying propaganda dumped on them for 25 fucking years, from the right (of course) and the left (as closet Republicans). And yet—Bill Clinton is an enormously popular President, who even after being impeached could have easily been reelected if he could have run.

Could it be that the left and right fringe are not as numerous as they’re given credit for?

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:09:42pm
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Belafon  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:10:43pm

re: #102 FormerDirtDart

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I love that the batteries in Buzz Lightyear were sold by the same company featured in Wall-E.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:12:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:13:19pm
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Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:15:15pm

Fuck this shit:

Oscar-winner and Bernie Sanders surrogate Susan Sarandon has already made plenty of waves this election season by saying she’s not sure she will even vote if her candidate isn’t nominated, even if that means handing Donald Trump the presidency. On Tuesday’s edition of The View, Sarandon expanded her attack radius to include not just Hillary Clinton, but daughter Chelsea Clinton as well. Along the way, Sarandon also reduced Hillary Clinton’s accomplishments to being “married to someone who was a president,” predicted that there will not be woman president for at least a generation, and that Bernie Sanders’ quest to get money out of politics will fail:

mediaite.com

Oh, how I hope that Debra Messing tells her off again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:15:20pm
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bratwurst  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:18:07pm

re: #108 Timothy Watson

Fuck this shit:

mediaite.com

Oh, how I hope that Debra Messing tells her off again.

Done!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:21:08pm

It’s easy for Sarandon to be pure when people like her aren’t going to be adversely effected by Trump, Cruz, or Kasich policy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:21:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:21:46pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Respect.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:23:09pm

Long story short: NYDN states editor has been fired…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:23:18pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and she has more tweet storm on the subject.

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Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:23:20pm

re: #97 ObserverArt

re: #103 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I stand by my statement.

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blueraven  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:23:32pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If Hillary did that, the media would go nuts. The wingnuts would say a woman cant handle the rigors of being POTUS.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:24:42pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart

I mean, it makes sense. Who do you fire: the clickbait or the editor? Easy decision, I’m sure.

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allegro  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:25:09pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

It’s easy for Sarandon to be pure when people like her aren’t going to be adversely effected by Trump, Cruz, or Kasich policy.

Purely ignorant and easily swayed by a cult of personality. Not one whose advice on any topic should merit much attention.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:26:02pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart

Long story short: NYDN states editor has been fired…

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Is it commonplace to send your copy to an editor using Gmail?

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:26:43pm

re: #118 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I mean, it makes sense. Who do you fire: the clickbait or the editor? Easy decision, I’m sure.

Well, obviously the editor was a Clinton sleeper…
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Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:27:39pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:28:42pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

So you oppose the concept of a minimum wage then. Good to know.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:29:11pm

re: #120 Timothy Watson

Is it commonplace to send your copy to an editor using Gmail?

I have learned in the last couple years that it is quite common for people to use their personal email while performing work related tasks…
Thanks Hillary
//

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jayjaybear  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:29:41pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes you seem like a pretty nice guy, your unfortunate political loyalties aside. Then you post something like this…

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:30:32pm

re: #108 Timothy Watson

Fuck this shit:

mediaite.com

Oh, how I hope that Debra Messing tells her off again.

Susan sure is turning into a blockhead. I’m thinking she sounds a bit more conservative than any type of progressive with the identity due to a husband thing.

That amounts to someone telling her she slept her way to success in Hollywood. I bet she would bristle to hear that, so why say what amounts to a similar putdown about Hillary?

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:30:46pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Which forms of government interference in the private labor market are you OK with, and why?
Safety standards, paid overtime, punishing wage theft, etc.?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:30:55pm

re: #125 jayjaybear

Sometimes you seem like a pretty nice guy, your unfortunate political loyalties aside. Then you post something like this…

It’s always good to have a reminder that some folks don’t see other people as …well, people.

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Maddies Mom  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:32:00pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

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Dark, my first ever reply to you…. you’re an a**.

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allegro  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:32:24pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

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But it’s the place of government to subsidize immensely profitable corporations by paying their employees out of taxpayer dollars, ie food assistance, etc.?

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:32:42pm

re: #128 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s always good to have a reminder that some folks don’t see other people as …well, people.

Oh, dear. I stepped in during THAT time of the night, didn’t I.

Evening Lizardim.

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Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:33:18pm

re: #127 Jebediah, RBG

Which forms of government interference in the private labor market are you OK with, and why?
Safety standards, paid overtime, punishing wage theft, etc.?

Definitely the bolded two. Current overtime rules have so many holes you could drive a car through them.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:33:46pm

re: #130 allegro

But it’s the place of government to subsidize immensely profitable corporations by paying their employees out of taxpayer dollars, ie food assistance, etc.?

No, just to make sure employees can’t organize to demand better wages on their own.

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Bass Reeves  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:33:51pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

When will the Right understand that their economic policies actually suck? Like, suck big time and don’t achieve anything like success?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:34:22pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

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I hope to God you or no one you love is ever in a situation like that because you’re being a heartless prick.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:34:35pm

re: #126 ObserverArt

Susan sure is turning into a blockhead. I’m thinking she sounds a bit more conservative than any type of progressive with the identity due to a husband thing.

That amounts to someone telling her she slept her way to success in Hollywood. I bet she would bristle to hear that, so why say what amounts to a similar putdown about Hillary?

How’d that work out for Chris Sarandon?

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:34:54pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

Current overtime rules have so many holes you could drive a car through them.

And get time and a half for doing it?

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:35:01pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

I stand by my statement.

Of course you do. It was expected. It doesn’t mean that it is correct, just a little more of you being a little Machiavellian yourself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:35:06pm

This is what triggered Sen Warren’s tweet storm:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:35:11pm

re: #134 Bass Reeves

When will the Right understand that their economic policies actually suck? Like, suck big time and don’t achieve anything like success?

Never because they delude themselves that they know jack about economics.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:35:46pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Despite the continued claims of some conservatives, our economy is demand-driven, not supply-driven. Raising the wages of low-income workers is the most efficient way to goose the economy, even if you give not one single solitary shit about how miserable a minimum-wage existence is in America.
And we have ample proof already that it doesn’t bring wrack and ruin raining down when it is done.
On the other hand, we also have pretty good evidence of what happens when conservative policies are strictly followed. Have you checked on the economies/labor situations in Kansas and Wisconsin lately?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:35:53pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

And get time and a half for doing it?

What’s horrible is that businesses are being told they have to pay employees MORE for this. Just horrible government interference!

I mean, since having the government dictate anything to do with pay is apparently bad.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:36:42pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is what triggered Sen Warren’s tweet storm:

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He chose to run for a position that would take him away from his family often. I’d have sympathy if he showed any to working families but shocker he doesn’t.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:37:18pm

re: #79 makeitstop

I thought it was ‘by and large.’

I thought it was “Buy ENLARGE!, the new male enhancement supplement!”
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jaunte  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:39:05pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

I hope to God you or no one you love is ever in a situation like that because you’re being a heartless prick.

Republican group norms require a lot of regressive behavior.

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:39:32pm
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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:39:51pm

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

What’s horrible is that businesses are being told they have to pay employees MORE for this. Just horrible government interference!

I mean, since having the government dictate anything to do with pay is apparently bad.

Let’s just take the training wheels off, why don’t we? Go back to the good ol’ days when corporate power was at its height and companies literally owned their employees. You’ll live in company-owned housing, go to company-owned schools and clinics (if you’re lucky), and take whatever the company decides to give you out of its enormous profits. Because who needs luxuries like consumer goods as long as the company will pay for the basics?

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:40:11pm

re: #96 Belafon

Buy-N-Large

Shop smart, shop S-Mart.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:40:25pm

re: #145 jaunte

Republican group norms require a lot of regressive behavior.

It’s like empathy for someone less well off is like asking them to get their teeth pulled.

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:40:42pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Kurt Akemann ‎@Dark_Falcon7

@elizabethforma @tedcruz So do I. It’s not the place of government to “give a raise” to private sector workers.
5:27 PM - 19 Apr 2016

Really? How sad.

I get the feeling you’d screw yourself to go along with the party. Go ahead and step into the path of that small government machine. You are as squishable as the next fool that does the bidding of the powerful.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:41:17pm
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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:41:23pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

It’s like empathy for someone less well off is like asking them to get their teeth pulled.

The funny thing is, for the religious wingnut right, their beliefs are founded on a man whose entire ministry centered around caring for the less fortunate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:42:13pm

re: #96 Belafon

Buy-N-Large

The Mega-Corporation That Owned Everything in Wall-E.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:42:14pm

DF and Cruz’s party are fine with the government telling gay couples their marriage can’t be recongized but oh lord let’s not require people get paid a decent wage so they don’t go hungry or homeless.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:42:34pm

re: #152 thedopefishlives

The funny thing is, for the religious wingnut right, their beliefs are founded on a man whose entire ministry centered around caring for the less fortunate.

That’s the sad part for me.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:43:11pm

OK, I am off to get Chucky’s stitches staples removed, so if anyone wants to send some “keep on recovering, you big fuzzy bag of sugar” vibes her way, I’m sure she will appreciate it!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:43:20pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart

Long story short: NYDN states editor has been fired…

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“We apologize again for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.”

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:43:37pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

That’s the sad part for me.

Sad for you, try being me, a practicing member of that particular religion. I try to actually do what Jesus said, these idjits call me a heretic and disown me.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:43:45pm

Sorry but as someone having a hard time looking for work, that attitude infuriates me.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:44:08pm

re: #156 Jebediah, RBG

OK, I am off to get Chucky’s stitches staples removed, so if anyone wants to send some “keep on recovering, you big fuzzy bag of sugar” vibes her way, I’m sure she will appreciate it!

Good luck to the fuzzbucket.

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Brian J.  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:45:15pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

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And so the NY Daily News will try to give an editor the close-up view of the undercarriage of the proverbial bus. Won’t work.

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:46:52pm

re: #141 Jebediah, RBG

Despite the continued claims of some conservatives, our economy is demand-driven, not supply-driven. Raising the wages of low-income workers is the most efficient way to goose the economy, even if you give not one single solitary shit about how miserable a minimum-wage existence is in America.
And we have ample proof already that it doesn’t bring wrack and ruin raining down when it is done.
On the other hand, we also have pretty good evidence of what happens when conservative policies are strictly followed. Have you checked on the economies/labor situations in Kansas and Wisconsin lately?

Conservatives, at least on economics, have come a long way from this Henry Ford idea:

There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible.

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Khal Wimpo (not-so-Super Tuesday's Child)  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:47:06pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Joe Scarborough’s hair is getting really ridiculous.

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The natural progression of Joe Scarborough’s hair.
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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:47:16pm

I hesitate to call Jesus a socialist, because really, His ministry transcended politics. So many people try to cast religion in a political light, but it’s really not, it’s beyond that. That being said, I think Jesus would have a lot to say about people who claim to follow His teachings but refuse to extend the hand of the government to help those who are in need. I’d think providing for the poor and unfortunate is a lot more important than dictating who should and shouldn’t marry based on the whimsical interpretation of a millennia-old book by a bunch of old gasbags.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:47:49pm

re: #164 thedopefishlives

Yes, but you’re sane.

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Brian J.  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:48:28pm

I’ll probably catch a little rest for the big event this evening:

The Manitoba Provincial Election! Can Greg Selinger and the New Democrats overcome the polls and win a remarkable fifth term in office? Will Brian Selinger’s Progressive Conservatives win their way back into power despite his extensive vacations in Costa Rica? Is there a niche for Rana Bokhari and her Liberal Party to fill? Will the Manitoba Greens elect their first legislators in the province with James Beddome coming off a strong debate performance? All this and more at 8:00 Central time!

Oh, and apparently people are voting for something in New York.

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:48:30pm

Very serious Republican thinker.

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darthstar  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:48:38pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:49:26pm

re: #164 thedopefishlives

I hesitate to call Jesus a socialist, because really, His ministry transcended politics. So many people try to cast religion in a political light, but it’s really not, it’s beyond that. That being said, I think Jesus would have a lot to say about people who claim to follow His teachings but refuse to extend the hand of the government to help those who are in need. I’d think providing for the poor and unfortunate is a lot more important than dictating who should and shouldn’t marry based on the whimsical interpretation of a millennia-old book by a bunch of old gasbags.

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

― Mahatma Gandhi

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Brian J.  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:49:28pm

Oh, and as for the New York undercard, here’s a hint as to how things are going:

Also:

The nonwhite vote is up 9% from 2008.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:49:42pm

re: #134 Bass Reeves

When will the Right understand that their economic policies actually suck? Like, suck big time and don’t achieve anything like success?

Whaddya men ‘don’t achieve anything like success’? We have the richest rich people in the history of rich people! If that’s not success, I don’t know what is!

That’s right, you don’t know what success is.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:49:48pm

re: #165 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yes, but you’re sane.

Most days, anyway. ;)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:50:34pm

re: #170 Brian J.

Oh, and as for the New York undercard, here’s a hint as to how things are going:

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The nonwhite vote is up 9% from 2008.

Gonna be a long night for Bernie. Good to see more minority participation.

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:51:26pm

re: #164 thedopefishlives

I hesitate to call Jesus a socialist, because really, His ministry transcended politics. So many people try to cast religion in a political light, but it’s really not, it’s beyond that. That being said, I think Jesus would have a lot to say about people who claim to follow His teachings but refuse to extend the hand of the government to help those who are in need. I’d think providing for the poor and unfortunate is a lot more important than dictating who should and shouldn’t marry based on the whimsical interpretation of a millennia-old book by a bunch of old gasbags.

I don’t think His ministry transcended economics. The loaves and fishes were free and abundant. Two miracles, these days.

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calochortus  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:51:47pm

re: #162 KGxvi

Conservatives, at least on economics, have come a long way from this Henry Ford idea:

Unfortunately, I think even Henry Ford came a long way from that idea eventually.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:52:29pm

re: #167 jaunte

I CARE NOT WHAT 20 MILLION AMERICANS THINK SHOULD BE OUR PRESIDENT!

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Brian J.  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:53:13pm

re: #175 calochortus

Unfortunately, I think even Henry Ford came a long way from that idea eventually.

Keep in mind what Ford didn’t include in his original statement, like concern about pollution or worker safety.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:53:30pm

re: #167 jaunte

I care nothing about who New York thinks should be our President.

Very serious Republican thinker.

Right. After all, only 6% of America lives there. We should care more about Wyoming, where 0.2% of Americans live.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:53:31pm

re: #172 thedopefishlives

As one who has undergone a double laminectomy and 2 surgeries in the lumbar area with successful results. I give you my best. Get up and moving as soon as you can. Push yourself to do this. You will benefit from it.

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calochortus  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:53:38pm

re: #177 Brian J.

Keep in mind what Ford didn’t include in his original statement, like concern about pollution or worker safety.

That too.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:54:04pm

Posted for your entertainment consideration:

From Rod Dreher earlier today…

I’m interested here in hearing from conservatives — social and otherwise — who are re-thinking their relationship to the GOP and to the conservative movement in light of these huge social changes. As most of you know, I’m working on my Benedict Option book, which will be my take on what we should do now. I won’t belabor that again. Please, let the rest of us hear from you, even if you don’t really know what to think or what to do.

UPDATE: Gang, I’m serious about not publishing comments from liberals. I’m not trying to be mean; I’m simply trying to keep the thread on target. Please don’t waste your time.

Then from this afternoon….

I am often complimented by readers on both the left and the right for the quality of the comments section on this blog. This is first and foremost a tribute to you commenters. But it is also the result of years of very patient, usually unpleasant labor on my part. When I began blogging at Beliefnet in 2006, I was shocked by the viciousness of so many of the comments, but I didn’t have the ability to delete the bad ones. Before too long, Beliefnet let me have administrator’s privileges over my own blog, and I began to weed them out, deleting bad comments and, when possible, blocking access to the blog. It took a long, long time, but I finally got it under control.
…..So what do you think? Is this comments section worth it? I don’t read any comments section but the one on my own blog, because they are very much not worth it.

The comment section that follows is a gloriously unironic, hairy palmed orgy of self gratification.

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KingKenrod  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:54:53pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

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As a practical matter, it’s easier and more efficient for the govt to require a minimum wage than it is to allow workers to be paid low wages and have to live on welfare (to keep from being homeless or allowing children to starve). Either way, businesses pay (through payroll or taxes).

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:55:26pm

re: #164 thedopefishlives

I hesitate to call Jesus a socialist, because really, His ministry transcended politics. So many people try to cast religion in a political light, but it’s really not, it’s beyond that. That being said, I think Jesus would have a lot to say about people who claim to follow His teachings but refuse to extend the hand of the government to help those who are in need. I’d think providing for the poor and unfortunate is a lot more important than dictating who should and shouldn’t marry based on the whimsical interpretation of a millennia-old book by a bunch of old gasbags.

The idea that religion and politics are two separate and distinct things is a relatively recent development in human history. We’ve had millennia of them being the same, and in some parts of the world, they still are the same. You’re probably right though about Jesus being more interested in helping the less fortunate than in who is getting married, since he said to leave your wife and children if you wanted to be his disciple.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:57:23pm

re: #182 KingKenrod

As a practical matter, it’s easier and more efficient for the govt to require a minimum wage than it is to allow workers to be paid low wages and have to live on welfare (to keep from being homeless or allowing children to starve). Either way, businesses pay (through payroll or taxes).

And here it’s good to remember that when we say ‘the govt’, we really mean ‘our society’, because we’re self-governing. Conservatives always like to pretend government is some alien thing imposed from the outside, rather than deriving its authority from the just consent of the governed.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 19, 2016 • 2:57:43pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

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Someone should be reminded that the Invisible Hand Of The Free Market is used by the rich to slap down the poor again and again…

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:00:20pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:01:23pm

Gah. My nephew has some anger and oversharing issues. Still mad at his then-girlfriend for something, but geez, Dude - you know we can all see this, right?

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Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:02:16pm

re: #182 KingKenrod

As a practical matter, it’s easier and more efficient for the govt to require a minimum wage than it is to allow workers to be paid low wages and have to live on welfare (to keep from being homeless or allowing children to starve). Either way, businesses pay (through payroll or taxes).

Actually, we all pay. A large part of my objection was from Sen. Warren’s terminology: Raising the minimum wage isn’t ‘giving people a raise’. It’s forcing businesses to raise wages, without compensating by lower taxes or reducing regulation. When done in an across the board manner (as it normally has to be done) it causes job losses.

And the $15/hr minimum some places are putting into effect really scares me. It threatens commissioned salespeople like myself with either being priced out of jobs or having our commission structure gutted to make room for the higher wages. that makes employers less forgiving of a slow month since they still have to pay you the same thing.

I fear Sen. Warren’s ideas will do me harm. Those taking other positions are invited to reply. I’ll read the replies when I return. BBL

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Brian J.  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:02:24pm

re: #79 makeitstop

I thought it was ‘by and large.’

Close:

The History of Buy n Large (BnL Shorts)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:03:08pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

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So it begins….

So it begins….
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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:03:15pm

re: #187 Blind Frog Belly White

Gah. My nephew has some anger and oversharing issues. Still mad at his then-girlfriend for something, but geez, Dude - you know we can all see this, right?

Had a guy on my flight back from NC who was loudly and forcefully on the phone to his wife, airing all his dirty laundry to an entire A319 full of people. I admit I had to empathize a bit when he proceeded to start knocking back drinks like there was no tomorrow, but it’s like, dude. That call couldn’t have waited 2 hours until you were off the plane?

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:03:18pm

I just had some work dropped off by a guy I’ve known almost 20 years. He is running for a small seat in a partisan contest, and he’s been a Republican for a long time, but he told me he wishes it were a non-partisan position, because these days he’s embarrassed to be associated with Republicans.

He also told me he’s been diagnosed with MS. I can’t imagine. My sister in law told me she has (counseling) patients with MS, and I can’t even imagine that.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:04:12pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

I’m sure my borderline-dudebro FB friend will pick right up on this. He’s been on the “The Man has it out for Bernie” bandwagon almost since he declared his candidacy.

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calochortus  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:06:53pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Actually, we all pay. A large part of my objection was from Sen. Warren’s terminology: Raising the minimum wage isn’t ‘giving people a raise’. It’s forcing businesses to raise wages, without compensating by lower taxes or reducing regulation. When done in an across the board manner (as it normally has to be done) it causes job losses. [bolding mine]

Studies are all over the place on this. There is, as far as I know, no concrete evidence that it causes job losses.

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:07:01pm

If you can’t make money having a $15 an hour worker, the problem is not with the worker.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:07:29pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Actually, we all pay. A large part of my objection was from Sen. Warren’s terminology: Raising the minimum wage isn’t ‘giving people a raise’. It’s forcing businesses to raise wages, without compensating by lower taxes or reducing regulation. When done in an across the board manner (as it normally has to be done) it causes job losses.

And the $15/hr minimum some places are putting into effect really scares me. It threatens commissioned salespeople like myself with either being priced out of jobs or having our commission structure gutted to make room for the higher wages. that makes employers less forgiving of a slow month since they still have to pay you the same thing.

I fear Sen. Warren’s ideas will do me harm. Those taking other positions are invited to reply. I’ll read the replies when I return. BBL

Well, actually, no, it doesn’t.

But hey, thanks for playing! And remember to pick up a complimentary copy of the home version!

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:07:38pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

I just had some work dropped off by a guy I’ve known almost 20 years. He is running for a small seat in a partisan contest, and he’s been a Republican for a long time, but he told me he wishes it were a non-partisan position, because these days he’s embarrassed to be associated with Republicans.

He also told me he’s been diagnosed with MS. I can’t imagine. My sister in law told me she has (counseling) patients with MS, and I can’t even imagine that.

I have a friend of mine, a major martial arts fanatic, who was diagnosed with MS last year. She responded by metaphorically kicking it in the head. She’s, what, 35 years old, if that? She refused to let it devastate her or control her; and truthfully, that’s the model I took after when I learned of my back problems.

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Cheechako  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:07:59pm

To add irony to the wages debate, even the Federal Government has a pay system that DOES NOT pay time and a half. It’s a system called Administratively Determined (AD) and is used for hiring temporary employees during emergencies. The pay rate is based on the skill being hired. The pay is straight time for all hours worked…as much as 16 hours per day on firefighting assignments. Along with the pay rate the Government is required to pay for all meals, lodging, and travel expenses. The Government “claims” the established rates include a factor for hours over 8 hours per day but that’s open for debate.

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:08:33pm

re: #194 calochortus

Studies are all over the place on this. There is, as far as I know, no concrete evidence that it causes job losses.

It causes an increase in assertions of job loses.

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:09:11pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

“…While some employers cut jobs in response to a minimum-wage increase, others find that a higher wage floor enables them to fill their vacancies and reduce turnover, which raises employment, even though it eats into their profits. The net effect of all this, as has been found in most studies of the minimum wage over the last quarter-century, is that when it is set at a moderate level, the minimum wage has little or no effect on employment.”

Oh noes!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:10:34pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

It causes an increase in assertions of job loses.

That’s funny - Obamacare also caused a big increase in the assertions of job losses!

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Great White Snark  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:10:36pm

re: #141 Jebediah, RBG

Raising the wages of low-income workers is the most efficient way to goose the economy…

Seen the same assertion about simply bringing overtime back, get away from this salary thing that makes us stay late without pay or else. Minimum wage addresses the bottom, OT rather than salary addresses the middle. We need both like an engine needs to fire on all cylinders.

BTW just Paged a thought on the minimum wage. Problem is “The” ain’t fair.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:10:49pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

This is the same tired supply-side economics talking points that have been thoroughly debunked after almost 40 years of real-world implementation.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:10:53pm

Look into the glacial time-phase approach in almost every minimum-wage proposal, track inflation back a few decades, and you will find that there is no push to raise the MW, barely one to put it back where it was.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:12:14pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

This is the same tired supply-side economics talking points that have been thoroughly debunked after almost 40 years of real-world implementation.

Why, it’s almost as if their economic policies was based on a flawed understanding of how economies actually work!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:12:15pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

You’re right in that when businesses don’t pay workers what they actually need to live on, we all end up paying for that.

More workers with more money to buy is a good thing for everyone. People living at or near the poverty line typically aren’t saving money. They can’t afford to. More money in their paychecks is going to result in more money entering the economy and possibly the chance they might be able to save a small amount to cover emergencies.

Also, you know, concepts of human dignity and people being able to earn a living is nice too. I would think you would respect that, as a fan of the party that advocates “personal responsibility.”

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Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:13:00pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

This is the same tired supply-side economics talking points that have been thoroughly debunked after almost 40 years of real-world implementation.

Good ol’ Austrian economics says your data can’t refute my argument.

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Bass Reeves  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:13:08pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

It’s forcing businesses to raise wages, without compensating by lower taxes or reducing regulation.

Umm…why should reducing regulation be in the discussion of appropriate compensation for employees? Like, if Walmart pays 15 bucks an hour, they don’t have to stop mixing electricity and water?

But anyways, seriously Dark, US conservatives are dead wrong on the economy and have been for easily 50 years now. In places like Kansas and Louisiana, it’s obvious looking just the budget shortfalls. In Texas, look at all the dead people from factory explosions. Seriously, no smarm or snark involved, just look at the actual track record. It’s horrible.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:13:44pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

It causes an increase in assertions of job loses.

But if it were actually raised, all those lobbyists asserting the jobs would be lost would be out of a job.

CHECKMATE!

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:14:23pm

re: #201 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s funny - Obamacare also caused a big increase in the assertions of job losses!

I guess we can conclude the Republican party is just chock full of assertions.

Well, asses for sure.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:14:26pm

re: #207 Timothy Watson

Good ol’ Austrian economics says your data can’t refute my argument.

Oh yeah?!?

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:14:38pm

re: #202 Great White Snark

Seen the same assertion about simply bringing overtime back, get away from this salary thing that makes us stay late without pay or else. Minimum wage addresses the bottom, OT rather than salary addresses the middle. We need both like an engine needs to fire on all cylinders.

BTW just Paged a thought on the minimum wage. Problem is “The” ain’t fair.
littlegreenfootballs.com

I don’t have a problem with being paid a salary, actually. The predictable income helps budgeting, and I’m paid a fair rate for my services. My problem is the corporate cultures that think it is okay to force salaried workers to work unpaid overtime. I think it should be salary plus overtime, and that would get us back to the point of a salaried wage in the first place - predictable steady expense for business, predictable steady income for workers, and an agreement on the workload for which the compensation is paid.

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Jenner7  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:14:57pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:15:04pm

re: #195 jaunte

If you can’t make money having a $15 an hour worker, the problem is not with the worker.

Just think how many jobs there would be if there were no minimum wage! Why, unemployment among blacks in some Southern states used to be UNMEASURABLY LOW, when we didn’t have to pay them at all!!!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:15:07pm
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calochortus  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:15:24pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

…I fear Sen. Warren’s ideas will do me harm…

Fear is a powerful motivator, however, rejecting change out of fear is not generally going to improve your, or anyone else’s, life and prospects. The fact is that a complete lack of change is as likely to cause you harm as change is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:16:09pm

re: #207 Timothy Watson

Good ol’ Austrian economics says your data can’t refute my argument.

Which demonstrates that it’s not a SCHOOL of Economics, but rather a CHURCH.
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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:16:24pm

re: #215 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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To the right wing, that’s a feature, not a bug. If you aren’t born well-off enough to afford health care, you should just shrivel up and die already.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:17:36pm

I spent an hour on the phone with a friend of mine today…sane conservative, therefore, does not call himself a Republican.

He got savaged by a family member when he was trying to have a sane, rational exchange of Bernie Sanders’ positions. He was bewildered. “Why am I Satan because I questioned how we’re supposed to pay for all of this?”

“John, welcome to the sordid non-reality of the Family Bernie Bro. We’re all trying to love ‘em but they’re not making it easy, huh?”

“This is how I know you’re a liberal. I just keep telling Trump supporters to fuck off. It’s much more efficient.”

“This too shall pass, my friend.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:17:43pm

re: #218 thedopefishlives

To the right wing, that’s a feature, not a bug. If you aren’t born well-off enough to afford health care, you should just shrivel up and die already.

I’m just trying to figure out if this is in the category of “shit Ted Cruz actually believes” or “shit Ted Cruz is saying in order to pander to the base” according to DF.

You know, if he’s cool with watching Lizards lose their health insurance.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:18:03pm

re: #190 Blind Frog Belly White

So it begins….

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My encounter suit was damaged at the cleaners over in brown sector. I sent Mr Garibaldi a stern letter…

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Kilroy01  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:18:56pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

I wonder how many of those folks who claim the machine wouldn’t let them vote for Bernie have cell phone to record the event?

Nah.. never mind that is crazy talk….

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:19:28pm

re: #211 teleskiguy

I debated adding a sarc tag to this, but I’ve been evolving more and more to the goddamnedfrank school of thought on sarc tags: they’re for lepers.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:19:55pm

re: #220 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m just trying to figure out if this is in the category of “shit Ted Cruz actually believes” or “shit Ted Cruz is saying in order to pander to the base” according to DF.

You know, if he’s cool with watching Lizards lose their health insurance.

Ted Cruz is a second-generation faith healer. I doubt he believes anything.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:21:19pm

re: #223 teleskiguy

I debated adding a sarc tag to this, but I’ve been evolving more and more to the goddamnedfrank school of thought on sarc tags: they’re for lepers.

Fart jokes don’t need sarc tags. They’re universal.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:21:31pm

re: #191 thedopefishlives

Had a guy on my flight back from NC who was loudly and forcefully on the phone to his wife, airing all his dirty laundry to an entire A319 full of people. I admit I had to empathize a bit when he proceeded to start knocking back drinks like there was no tomorrow, but it’s like, dude. That call couldn’t have waited 2 hours until you were off the plane?

I hated working on A319/A320 aircraft. I always felt like the damned floor beams were going to fall apart when we took the floor boards up. The one nice thing is that all the structural parts were cut on a jig so that there was no need to cut and adjust things like you do on McDonnell Douglas and Boeing products.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:21:56pm

re: #223 teleskiguy

I debated adding a sarc tag to this, but I’ve been evolving more and more to the goddamnedfrank school of thought on sarc tags: they’re for lepers.

I throw on sarc tags a lot, because I’ve had to deal with ‘sensitive’ California natives who couldn’t handle the level of sarcasm you grow accustomed to Back East. Wimps.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:22:21pm

re: #225 thedopefishlives

Fart jokes don’t need sarc tags. They’re universal.

Plus, they’re jokes, so….

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:22:55pm
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Romantic Heretic  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:22:57pm

re: #147 thedopefishlives

Sixteen Tons - Tennessee Ernie Ford

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:23:42pm

re: #230 Romantic Heretic

*DINGDINGDING* We have a winnah!

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:24:21pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:25:17pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

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I hear the editor used to work as an intern on the Trump Campaign, responsible for the Twitter Feed. Goes by the name of S.C. Apegoat.
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:26:00pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:26:57pm

re: #234 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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It’s getting so that I can’t stand reading anything on the environment anymore. Being vindicated has never been so totally unsatisfying.

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allegro  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:27:37pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

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I’m suspecting that just maybe that editor was fired for NOT making appropriate changes and letting the plagiarism get past, thus making the paper both liable for lawsuit and look bad PR wise. This would actually be understandable grounds for termination. Checking for plaguarized copy is sooooo easy and should be done routinely.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:27:48pm

re: #235 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s getting so that I can’t stand reading anything on the environment anymore. Being vindicated has never been so totally unsatisfying.

I wonder how many conservatives realize that scientists would LOVE to be wrong on this.

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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:28:57pm

re: #168 darthstar

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:29:07pm

re: #190 Blind Frog Belly White

In Fire

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:29:10pm

It’s important to bring change. You can’t park without it!

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Cheechako  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:30:13pm

it’s amazing how opinions change over time. About this time 4 years ago, IIRC, the LGF’ers had a ripping debate one evening over open vs. closed primaries. I seem to remember most posters were in favor of “open” primaries as this was the system that was “fair’” for most voters.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:31:23pm

re: #237 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I wonder how many conservatives realize that scientists would LOVE to be wrong on this.

I have yet to hear a cogent suggestion of why so many scientists would all tell the same easily debunked lie, risking their reputations and careers. “To destroy Capitalism”, I was told once.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:31:28pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:31:59pm

re: #242 Blind Frog Belly White

I have yet to hear a cogent suggestion of why so many scientists would all tell the same easily debunked lie, risking their reputations and careers. “To destroy Capitalism”, I was told once.

Why doesn’t predicting the end of the world in this manner make as much money as when the Republicans do it?

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Brian J.  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:33:53pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

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It’s important to bring change. You can’t park without it!

Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. I also note that 92 percent of NY GOP voters don’t think winning in November is a priority, and why should it be? No Republican has won NY since 1984, and none will until the party becomes something completely different from what it is.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:33:56pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, actually, no, it doesn’t.

But hey, thanks for playing! And remember to pick up a complimentary copy of the home version!

Simple rule of thumb.

If you don’t pay people anything they don’t buy anything. If people don’t buy anything companies don’t make or sell anything.

Then they go out of business and and the jobs they created disappear.

But let’s face, D_F is discussing ideology not economics.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:34:29pm

re: #241 Cheechako

it’s amazing how opinions change over time. About this time 4 years ago, IIRC, the LGF’ers had a ripping debate one evening over open vs. closed primaries. I seem to remember most posters were in favor of “open” primaries as this was the system that was “fair’” for most voters.

I am being very cautious this year about my likes and dislikes in that regard, because I fear falling into the same self-serving bullshit I see others doing. So I’m not sure how I feel, rationally, about closed vs open primaries. I do think it’s the right of the parties to make these decisions, however.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:34:29pm

Curt Schilling, still a piece of shit:
ESPN’s Curt Schilling Shares Anti-Trans Memes Amid Wave Of Bathroom Bills

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Brian J.  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:35:36pm

re: #238 gocart mozart

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There is a tiny grain of truth to that- there’s a reason the most powerful political figure in most Communist countries is/was the General Secretary, who managed the Party membership rolls- but I’d be shocked if any Trump knew that.

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Jay C  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:35:38pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

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I wonder what precinct(s) these poor incompetent disenfranchised souls voted at? At mine in Manhattan (UES) this morning, my ballot was recorded (and apparently eaten) by a machine, so any “fraud” involved took place neatly out of sight (as , of course, it should be in any well-managed election)…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:36:30pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:37:07pm

re: #223 teleskiguy

I debated adding a sarc tag to this, but I’ve been evolving more and more to the goddamnedfrank school of thought on sarc tags: they’re for lepers.

Except goddamnedfrank fell victim to some sarcasm the other day because there was no sarc tag.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:38:19pm

re: #243 teleskiguy

A noun… A Verb…. And “Oh Thank Heaven…..”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:39:59pm

re: #248 Timothy Watson

Curt Schilling, still a piece of shit:
ESPN’s Curt Schilling Shares Anti-Trans Memes Amid Wave Of Bathroom Bills

And I hope paying all those bathroom bills bankrupts him!!!

What? Oh, ‘not that kind of bill’? That’s very different, then.

Never mind.

What’s all this fuss I hear about endangered feces?
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Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:40:33pm

re: #251 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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If HRC is the nominee, I’m voting for her. If Sanders is the nominee, I’m voting to defeat the Republican.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:41:09pm

re: #252 ObserverArt

Except goddamnedfrank fell victim to some sarcasm the other day because their was no sarc tag.

I missed that. *sad trombone*

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:41:13pm

re: #255 Decatur Deb

If HRC is the nominee, I’m voting for her. If Sanders is the nominee, I’m voting to defeat the Republican.

I can live with that.

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makeitstop  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:41:14pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

It’s forcing businesses to raise wages, without compensating by lower taxes or reducing regulation.

Businesses in this country have gotten far more than their fair share of less taxes and regulation.

At this point, fuck them. It’s time for the people to get some of that gubmint love, and you and yours can fucking deal with it.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:42:45pm

Jamil has been getting savaged by Berniestans today.

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makeitstop  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:43:49pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

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New York based affiliate WGRZ?

Call letters say that’s Buffalo, not NYC.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:44:30pm

re: #259 teleskiguy

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It’s not suppression in the slightest and it’s idiotic to argue that.

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:45:03pm

re: #258 makeitstop

Businesses in this country have gotten far more than their fair share of less taxes and regulation.

At this point, fuck them. It’s time for the people to get some of that gubmint love, and you and yours can fucking deal with it.

Also, to compensate a business for what it pays an employee sounds like the government is paying the employee.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:45:33pm

So, something called the “Group Policy Client” has failed on my laptop and searching for a solution comes down to finding some sort of corrupted files and “fixing” them in the registry.

I so do not want to have to do anything like that…

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:47:24pm

re: #260 makeitstop

New York based affiliate WGRZ?

Call letters say that’s Buffalo, not NYC.

Shut up! Facts can’t get in the way of our narrative.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:47:57pm

re: #252 ObserverArt

Except goddamnedfrank fell victim to some sarcasm the other day because there was no sarc tag.

#Inception.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:48:40pm

re: #255 Decatur Deb

If HRC is the nominee, I’m voting for her. If Sanders is the nominee, I’m voting to defeat the Republican.

That is my take exactly…. Why is that so hard on these people??

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:49:03pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Actually, we all pay. A large part of my objection was from Sen. Warren’s terminology: Raising the minimum wage isn’t ‘giving people a raise’. It’s forcing businesses to raise wages, without compensating by lower taxes or reducing regulation. When done in an across the board manner (as it normally has to be done) it causes job losses.

It would have the advantage of reducing welfare rolls because if people were actually paid a living wage they wouldn’t need supplemental income in the form of welfare. It also means people have more money to spend, which means they have more money to buy things, which means businesses end up making more money (no really, that’s how capitalism works). Furthermore, “reducing regulation” is a stupid non sequitor, unless you can provide specific regulations that should be revised or repealed you’re basically saying “LOUD NOISES”.

And the $15/hr minimum some places are putting into effect really scares me. It threatens commissioned salespeople like myself with either being priced out of jobs or having our commission structure gutted to make room for the higher wages. that makes employers less forgiving of a slow month since they still have to pay you the same thing.

Image: wikipedian_protester.png (also, see point above about more people spending more money)

I fear Sen. Warren’s ideas will do me harm. Those taking other positions are invited to reply. I’ll read the replies when I return. BBL

Not to be incredibly fortune cookie snarky, but fear is often the result of lack of knowledge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:49:10pm

It’s funny how it’s only Bernie supporters who are complaining about the voting machines switching votes or that their voter registrations have mysteriously been changed or purged.

That Hillary…she is so devious.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:50:25pm

re: #266 Dave In Austin

That is my take exactly…. Why is that so hard on these people??

I blame modern child-rearing.

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Cheechako  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:51:02pm

Everyone has forgotten basic economics. Every $1 spent in purchasing something generates $7 more dollars in the economy. Think about how much the economy be improved with a few dollars increase in the minimum wage.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:51:11pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:52:57pm

re: #271 teleskiguy

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Not his dick-trauma I’m worried about.

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calochortus  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:53:53pm

re: #271 teleskiguy

Maybe that’s why we need to worry about men in the ladies’ room? Our 12 year old daughters are likely to be shot?

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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:54:19pm

re: #269 Decatur Deb

I blame MTV……..

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calochortus  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:55:26pm

BBL

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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:57:21pm

re: #272 Decatur Deb

Not his dick-trauma I’m worried about.

Yeah, but death by overpenetrating dick-tipped bullet would be insult to lethal injury.

You’d never hear the end of it from the judges that block passage into the Underworld. They’d be constantly summoning back your shade from the Fields of Asphodel, demanding in boomy voices “Tell how you died again. We were wondering if maybe you should in Elysium” while having those facial spasms that means they’re desperately trying not to howl with laughter.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:58:03pm

re: #274 Dave In Austin

CULTURAL MARXISM! THE BREAK-UP OF THE FAMILY UNIT! REMOVAL OF GOD FROM THE CLASSROOM! UNFETTERED INDIVIDUALISM!

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Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:58:19pm

re: #276 The Ghost of a Flea

Yeah, but death by overpenetrating dick-tipped bullet would be insult to lethal injury.

You’d never hear the end of it from the judges that block passage into the Underworld. They’d be constantly summoning back your shade from the Fields of Asphodel, demanding in boomy voices “Tell how you died again. We were wondering if maybe you should in Elysium” while having those facial spasms that means they’re desperately trying not to howl with laughter.

“There I was…”

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2016 • 3:59:21pm

re: #255 Decatur Deb

If HRC is the nominee, I’m voting for her. If Sanders is the nominee, I’m voting to defeat the Republican.

What’s fucked up is it didn’t have to be this way. He’s squandered an enormous amount of goodwill with me. I went from actually liking him to now finding him to be a despicable little lying, snake oil selling weasel.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:00:25pm

re: #279 goddamnedfrank

What’s fucked up is it didn’t have to be this way. He’s squandered an enormous amount of goodwill with me. I went from actually liking him to now finding him to be a despicable little lying, snake oil selling weasel.

Solidarity Forever!!

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:01:08pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:02:01pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:02:13pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:02:36pm

re: #277 teleskiguy

I knew a guy named Mark. He always thought he could do it himself. But he got pulled out of church school when his Mom and Dad got divorced.

(See what I did there??)

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Shimshon  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:04:18pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

It’s true the Clintons can be Machiavellian at times.

Right…. they’re building up their empire to… fund charity all over the world through their foundation. Truly they are this generation’s power family.

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:04:23pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s funny how it’s only Bernie supporters who are complaining about the voting machines switching votes or that their voter registrations have mysteriously been changed or purged.

That Hillary…she is so devious.

Downright Machiavellian!

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:04:40pm

re: #284 Dave In Austin

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MsJ  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:05:19pm

re: #220 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m just trying to figure out if this is in the category of “shit Ted Cruz actually believes” or “shit Ted Cruz is saying in order to pander to the base” according to DF.

You know, if he’s cool with watching Lizards lose their health insurance.

I think it’s more “shit Cruz doesn’t care about” AKA IGMFU.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:05:41pm
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Jenner7  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:08:49pm
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MsJ  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:09:49pm

re: #241 Cheechako

it’s amazing how opinions change over time. About this time 4 years ago, IIRC, the LGF’ers had a ripping debate one evening over open vs. closed primaries. I seem to remember most posters were in favor of “open” primaries as this was the system that was “fair’” for most voters.

Can’t speak for anyone else but open primaries are ripe for cheating. I hate cheating. Ever since Operation Chaos I’ve been even more dead set against them.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:10:24pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:13:03pm

re: #256 teleskiguy

I missed that. *sad trombone*

It was this.

I have no excuse, the original facebook message was so outlandish it should have tripped all warning sensors.

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Shimshon  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:14:13pm

re: #164 thedopefishlives

I hesitate to call Jesus a socialist, because really, His ministry transcended politics. So many people try to cast religion in a political light, but it’s really not, it’s beyond that.

I hear this argument from conservatives all the time. Politics and religion were one and the same at that time. Taking on the money changers and leaders of the Temple and even the Roman authorities was as political as you could get.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:14:16pm
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MsJ  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:18:07pm

re: #262 wrenchwench

Also, to compensate a business for what it pays an employee sounds like the government is paying the employee.

They are. In food stamps, Medicaid, et al. See Walmart. Privatize profits, socialize the absence of a living wage.

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BeachDem  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:19:10pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

I believe that report came from one of those specious dot com dot co sites pretending to be Huffington Post. After much OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE at the dailybern, there was an Emily Latilla moment. (witness Jason Jones was a tipoff for many)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:19:50pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:20:51pm

re: #287 teleskiguy

Wait till the lithium wears off……..

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:22:52pm

re: #296 MsJ

They are. In food stamps, Medicaid, et al. See Walmart. Privatize profits, socialize the absence of a living wage.

True, but doesn’t fit DF’s narrative.

His narrative grates more and more…

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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:23:38pm

LOLOL!!!

This is a good one!!

Facebook Post

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:25:19pm
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MsJ  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:27:12pm

re: #300 wrenchwench

True, but doesn’t fit DF’s narrative.

His narrative grates more and more…

I had to abstain. It’s infuriating the lack of common decency and humanity. Conservatives are fucking sociopaths.

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:28:35pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

/clears clipboard

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:28:44pm
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allegro  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:29:09pm

The news in Houston has been continuous today reporting on the area flooding. There have been 7 confirmed deaths, AFAIK all of them drowning in cars. The news casters say repeatedly that the deaths were the result of “mistakenly” driving through high water.

There’s this one case though that was reported early yesterday morning of a young woman who blew past not only barracades but a flood control guy who was preventing people from driving into a flooded underpass. It wasn’t a “mistake” but a deliberate, intended “fuck you I’m going anyway” move. As her car disappeared under 10+ feet of water, the flood control guy tried desperately to get to her, but couldn’t. Just a few hours ago, that underpass was drained enough that her body could be retrieved.

Dunno why, but the story keeps reminding me of Sanders and Trump supporters.

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Brian J.  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:29:12pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

We have rules against promoting violence, I know, but how can any human being be this unaware and manage to avoid the mighty clue-by-four at some point in the process of selling these shirts?

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:32:29pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:33:01pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:33:24pm
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makeitstop  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:36:07pm

re: #310 teleskiguy

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And Keef is the last man standing. Go figure.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:36:31pm

re: #308 FormerDirtDart

Douglas County, south of Denver. Quite conservative compared to other places in the state. They also passed a school voucher law that is still winding its way though the courts, basically allowing public funding of religious schools and whatnot.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:38:01pm

Almost ready to unleash the kraken!

Uh, I mean the new autosave feature for LGF Pages. It’s like a kraken if a kraken was Javascript/PHP/MySQL code.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:38:06pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:38:34pm

re: #313 Charles Johnson

Almost ready to unleash the kraken!

Uh, I mean the new autosave feature for LGF Pages. It’s like a kraken if a kraken was Javascript/PHP/MySQL code.

I have some tasty rum named Kraken. That’s sort of like code.

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:40:43pm

re: #314 klys (maker of Silmarils)

[Embedded content]

The vid

Goat Triplets in Sweaters…Could anything be cuter?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:41:39pm

re: #316 wrenchwench

I admit I thought of a few Lizards when I saw that tweet go by. (It is writing time, so I am paying attention to Twitter.)

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Archangelus  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:43:13pm

Watching a live ABC stream dedicated to coverage of the primaries, the highlights of which, in the past few minutes, were:
A) The exhausted interns tasked with using poker chips for delegate representations over a cardboard printout of the US; which was then followed by:
B) Live video from a Bald Eagle nest in IA, during which the topic of the lengthy discussion was the identity of the freaking animal carcass in the nest (beaver would be my guess).

The glorious media of 2016! ///SomebodyShootMe

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:45:33pm

I’mma grab some grub. I’ll be around later for the sweet sweet Berniestan tears.

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MsJ  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:46:18pm

re: #318 Archangelus

Watching the live ABC stream i have here dedicated to coverage of the primaries, the highlights of which, in the past few minutes, were:
A) The exhausted interns tasked with using poker chips for delegate representations over a cardboard printout of the US; which was then followed by:
B) Coverage of a video from a live camera at a Bald Eagle nest in IA, during which the topic of the one-minute discussion was the identity of the freaking animal carcass in the nest (beaver would be my guess).

The glorious media of 2016! ///SomebodyShootMe

Jeez. You get my everlasting thanks for watching and reporting bullshit so I can maintain my sanity.

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bratwurst  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:46:18pm

Wait until Ted finds out there are a lot more Muslims outside of the Middle East than in it!

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Archangelus  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:47:31pm

re: #320 MsJ

Jeez. You get my everlasting thanks for watching and reporting bullshit so I can maintain my sanity.

What is this “sanity” thing all you people keep referring to?

Not pictured: look of total despair on the face of the lady in the back (missed by a split second)…
Mainstream media: now with 100% extra animal carcasses on prime-time TV…
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:52:17pm

Dreher is inspiring all kinds of fun today with Roy Edroso over at alicublog, who has been mocking him for years. On top of another one of his daily 1000 plus word diatribes on transsexual wimminz destroying civilization and bathrooms, Rod had this to offer on an essay on middle class financial insecurity over at The Atlantic. Quoth Rod:

He felt that he deserved the life he had, and could not choose otherwise without betraying himself. I think this must be an extraordinary thing, in terms of history: people who spend recklessly to give themselves the lives they think they deserve. If you think about it, though, our culture, which valorizes Authenticity, encourages this.

If for some reason the market for my writing dried up, and I had to take a job doing something else to support my family, I would do it. But I would probably resist it for as long as I could, because it’s very hard for me to separate my sense of identity from my writing. Still, bills have to be paid, and I would hope that I didn’t hold out for long.

Edroso chimes in…

Now, I ask you — who could read that and not imagine Rod, at some future date when the Benedict Option racket has collapsed and nobody wants 5,000-word essays on how transsexuals are destroying the Republic anymore, in a variety of alternative professions:

Customer: Hello, I’d like to order a cake please.
Dreher: Would this cake solemnify a homosexual union?
Customer: It’s for a gay marriage anniversary party, but we don’t want anything written on the cake.
Dreher: Hmm, that one’s on the line. Do you mind praying over it with me?
Boss: DREHER YOU’RE FIRED

Customer: Hello, three tickets for Zootopia please.
Dreher: Are you bringing children to this?
Customer: Yes. It’s rated G.
Dreher: But it promotes anthropomorphic miscgenation. Have you read Robert Putnam? Well, I mean Steve Sailer on Robert Putnam — Putnam doesn’t know the importance of his own words.
Boss: DREHER YOU’RE FIRED


Furniture mover: Why you sit down? Only on job fifteen minutes.
Dreher: I have mononucleosis. I have to rest frequently.
Furniture mover: Why you take job you sick?
Dreher: Because that’s what a man does! You think they’ll mind if I just lay down on the sofa that’s still in the truck?
Furniture: Boss catch you he fire.
Dreher: Well, of course — I’m white.
Boss: DREHER YOU FIRE

Oh, I could do this all day.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:53:05pm

re: #314 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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SQUEEEEE!!

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CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:53:57pm

re: #316 wrenchwench

DOUBLE SQUEEE!!

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MsJ  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:55:11pm

re: #322 Archangelus

What is this “sanity” thing all you people keep referring to?

[Embedded content]

Well, that was a Risky move.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2016 • 4:59:19pm

re: #321 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

Wait until Ted finds out there are a lot more Muslims outside of the Middle East than in it!

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CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:01:26pm

re: #315 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Good to have you back. ;)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:05:07pm

re: #328 CuriousLurker

Good to have you back. ;)

It is good to be back. I have even been productive today! (Yesterday was a complete wash.)

Of course, I also forgot to call the AC repair guys (ugh) regarding the drip under the house that was not repaired despite their best efforts in September (double ugh).

On the bright side, we didn’t have to turn the AC on until April this year?

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:05:32pm

Reasons to hope for Cruz winning the GOP nomination.

1)
Peter King (R-NY): “I hate Ted Cruz, and I think I’ll take cyanide if he ever got the nomination”

usatoday.com

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b.d.  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:06:35pm

Good evening all good people.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:09:44pm

First Chinese takeout dinner since moving. Different restaurant after almost exclusively ordering from one place the last 10+ years…
Not impressed.
Ordered Hot & Spicy Beef combination meal. Got Chicken, not particularly hot or spicy. Meal’s pork fried rice seemed to lack pork. Included egg roll was two, and if memory serves, seemed more Thai than Chinese.
Side of Pork Lo Mein will wait for hunger to return, or lunch tomorrow, as is tradition…

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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:12:04pm

re: #332 FormerDirtDart
Been there, done that.
When you move, Chinese and Pizza are hit and miss. Eventually you’ll get a regular.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:14:23pm

Instagram

You’re not imagining things: There’s a haunted house on top of the @metmuseum. And not just any haunted house. The old mansard-roofed Victorian mansion is a scaled-down version of the 2-sided set that served as the Bates family home in Alfred Hitchcock’s 1960 thriller, “Psycho.” “Transitional Object (PsychoBarn)” is the creation of Cornelia Parker, a British sculptor best known for squashing and exploding things. @caitochs took this photo of #CorneliaParker’s piece, which opens on #TheMetRoof today and will be on view through October 31.

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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:18:54pm

Must read

I’ve been studying the history of American conservatism full time since 1997—almost 20 years now. I’ve read almost every major book on the subject. I thought I knew what I was talking about. Then along comes Donald Trump to scramble the whole goddamned script.

Now, historians must begin to consider alternate genealogies of the American right: lineages for the orange-haired monster that no one saw coming. Our received narrative of the movement encompassed by Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley and Strom Thurmond and Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan just doesn’t cut it any longer. I’ve done my best to begin the work—thinking through, for instance, Trumpism’s connection to fascism, a political tradition not heretofore considered all that relevant in the American context. Other bodies, however, are buried closer to home.

washingtonspectator.org

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Archangelus  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:19:42pm

A question for those with more Twitter experience than yours truly: are the number of available text characters supposed to go down when attaching a photo to a tweet?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:20:19pm

re: #336 Archangelus

A question for those with more Twitter experience than yours truly: are the number of available text characters supposed to go down when attaching a photo to a tweet?

The link to the photo typically takes up a number of characters, yes.

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:21:29pm

re: #321 bratwurst

Nathan Lean ‎@nathanlean

Ted Cruz refuses to meet w/ American Muslim voters, directs them to “Middle East adviser.”theintercept.com …
4:26 PM - 19 Apr 2016

Wait until Ted finds out there are a lot more Muslims outside of the Middle East than in it!

And this bozo wants to be president. What conviction to his own ideals and policies.

What ideals? That would be the only way to fight terrorism in the Middle East is to utter the proper words Radical Islam.

What policies? That would be to stop any immigrants from the Middle East.

He can’t face them because he knows he is full of shit and they would demand answers.

What a freaking snake. But some will vote for him as he is seen as the lesser evil and they couldn’t possibly think of voting for Hillary.

Should he become president…who else will he hide from because he knows he is fucking them over.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:23:10pm

BBL. Dinner and painting the last Bretonnian knights I could find since GW has put them all out of print…

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:23:24pm

No, just another dumb ass…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:23:30pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:23:47pm

re: #336 Archangelus

A question for those with more Twitter experience than yours truly: are the number of available text characters supposed to go down when attaching a photo to a tweet?

Yup. A photo uses 23 characters - the length of a shortened link.

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Archangelus  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:24:46pm

re: #337 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The link to the photo typically takes up a number of characters, yes.

re: #343 Charles Johnson

Yup. A photo uses 23 characters - the length of a shortened link.

Cool, thank you very much!
Considered tweeting something with a photo earlier, and saw that i was shorter by about 20 characters so wondered about that (still a Twitter n00b i’m afraid)…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:25:47pm
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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:26:01pm

Lowering expectations??
Does someone have depressing internal polling?

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:26:06pm

re: #339 Charles Johnson

Erm…uh…that looks like something out of the inside jacket art for a Pink Floyd album…or possibly The Dead Kennedys.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:26:22pm

re: #343 Charles Johnson

Yup. A photo uses 23 characters - the length of a shortened link.

I just learned two new things. Thanks.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:28:01pm

/Lurk mode off

Evening Lizards.

/ Lurk mode on

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CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:28:49pm

re: #344 Archangelus

Cool, thank you! Considered tweeting something with a photo earlier, and saw that i was shorter by almost 20 characters so wondered about that (still a Twitter n00b i’m afraid)…

So are you gonna link to your Twitter handle in your LGF profile, or do we have to try to find you a la “Where’s Waldo?”

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:34:04pm

Is San Francisco forcing people to use the public “pissoir”?

“The open-air urination hole violates the privacy of those who need to use the restroom but would be required to expose their bodies and suffer the shame and degradation of urinating in public view,” the lawsuit states. “Seclusion in bodily evacuation is a societal norm and constitutes one of the most basic expectations for privacy.”
It also calls the pissoir “indecent,” “offensive to the senses,” “grossly unseemly” and “offensive to manners and morals.”

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b.d.  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:36:13pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Is San Francisco forcing people to use the public “pissoir”?

The “less Government” people strike again, nobody is making them pee in public, right?

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Brian J.  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:37:28pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Learn This One Trick That Democrats Hate! The Establishment Doesn’t Want You To Know!

God, I hope he gets absolutely mauled tonight.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:38:50pm

I wonder if the Sanders Campaign bought him the ticket…

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Tigger2  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:41:27pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I mute the TV when Sanders comes on now, Bernie and his supporters have completely turned me off to anything he says.

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Maddies Mom  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:42:12pm

re: #289 goddamnedfrank

Hey GDF, you made The Obama Diary!!!!

theobamadiary.com

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allegro  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:45:06pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Is San Francisco forcing people to use the public “pissoir”?

Where would Jesus pee?

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Archangelus  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:46:44pm

re: #350 CuriousLurker

So are you gonna link to your Twitter handle in your LGF profile, or do we have to try to find you a la “Where’s Waldo?”

Edited:
Updated.
@Arch_LGF, obscure much?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:48:46pm

re: #357 allegro

Where would Jesus pee?

On a cathedral piss deflector, for a guess. San Francisco has to make do with civic piss facilities because they lack proper European architectural finesse.

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MsJ  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:50:06pm

re: #358 Archangelus

Updated.
@Arch_LGF , obscure much?

If you put the @ in front of the name I can get to it on my phone (hint, please).

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Reality Based Steve  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:51:44pm

I’ve got my pizza, my ginger ale, trail mix. 20 bucks down on the under for Trump delegates. (so hope that he gets 79 or less tonight)

Let the show begin!!!!

RBS

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MsJ  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:52:03pm

re: #360 MsJ

If you put the @ in front of the name I can get to it on my phone (hint, please).

I self served (refresh my last comment). I can’t follow you though I reason given. What? You no likeeme? :-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:52:19pm

re: #358 Archangelus

Updated.
Arch_LGF, obscure much?

Found you!

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2016 • 5:55:52pm
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Bass Reeves  Apr 19, 2016 • 6:00:27pm

re: #361 Reality Based Steve

Only missing the gin, but sounds good!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2016 • 6:02:43pm

re: #365 Bass Reeves

Only missing the gin, but sounds good!

Not a problem here! >.>

The calories out of the daily budget, on the other hand…

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stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2016 • 6:03:00pm

re: #86 klys (maker of Silmarils)

*shrugs*

Doesn’t matter all that much to me. If folks want to boycott Whole Foods, that’s their decision to make. Their CEO is a libertarian ass anyway.

I can think of any number of explanations of why one cake might have a seal on the bottom and another might have a barcode on the top.

A Whole Food store just opened in St. Paul in a busy neighborhood (Selby and Snelling) with an undersized customer parking lot. Whole Foods told their employees to go park in the few street parking places in the residential neighborhood around the store. One of the neighbors who’s really pissed about losing her ability to park is a community reporter in a popular local paper and she’s not keeping quiet about it. More power to her.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2016 • 6:39:36pm

re: #358 Archangelus

Edited:
Updated.
@Arch_LGF, obscure much?

Followed!

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2016 • 7:30:15pm

re: #160 thedopefishlives

Thanks!

Chucky loves going to the vet.

Here she is, waiting to be seen by her oncologist this afternoon. Staples came out cleanly and she made some new friends, as always. She said she appreciates all the thoughts that were sent her way.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 20, 2016 • 4:36:12am

re: #358 Archangelus

Followed as well.

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Alephnaught  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:08:02am

re: #259 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Hmm, all this voter registration business probably explains a reply I got in my normal Twitter timeline to my daily automatic paper.li tweet.


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