The Ritual Humiliation of Mitt Romney

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A very consistent behavioral pattern of Donald Trump is his need to not just defeat and dominate his rivals, but to totally humiliate them even after they’re defeated.

And now it’s Mitt Romney’s turn. He’s being considered for Secretary of State, but if he wants the job he’s going to have to grovel for it — and all because he took a principled (but obviously futile) stand against Trump during the campaign.

Here’s Kellyanne Conway bashing the hell out of Romney on CNN.

In a way, I hope Romney does get the Secretary of State position, because even though I’m definitely not one of his fans he’d probably be the most sane person in the Trump administration. All the other people Trump’s been picking so far are completely bonkers, and most of them have absolutely no experience in government.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:26:32pm

I feel so sorr …

No, I can’t even type it. Fornicate Mitt

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philosophus invidius  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:27:06pm

So if you’re a non-insane Republican, and you try to suck it up and help Trump not destroy the world, your thanks is getting publicly humiliated. Bigly.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:29:13pm

re: #2 philosophus invidius

Either way you are going to get it.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:31:29pm

If Romney takes the job and has to bow to the Trump, what kind of a signal does that send to the world about his ability and character as Secretary of State?

Sort of makes me think he would be seen as a weak fool and untrustworthy if he represents the person that crapped all over him. A strange dynamic at the very least.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:31:50pm
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:31:58pm

Yes, bcause that’s definitely the way you cultivate loyal, comitted subordinates. I’m pretty sure there’s an entire chapter called “Pointlessly Vindictive and Counterproductive Dominance Rituals” in How To Win Friends and Influence People.

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freetoken  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:32:15pm

Why would Romney even bother? Does he believe he can become more famous because being SoS will make him known more outside the US?

An essential element of Trumpism is being a bully. We got that.

But if you’re Romney, with houses everywhere, a few hundred million dollars in net worth, adored by his religion and guaranteed the speaker gig for the rest of his life… why bother?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:33:05pm

re: #7 freetoken

Why would Romney even bother? Does he believe he can become more famous because being SoS will make him known more outside the US?

An essential element of Trumpism is being a bully. We got that.

But if you’re Romney, with houses everywhere, a few hundred million dollars in net worth, adored by his religion and guaranteed the speaker gig for the rest of his life… why bother?

I think it’s because he still wants to be president some day.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:33:26pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

How reliable is this information? Or is it misinformation?

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:33:45pm

Reminds me of the time he doxxed Lindsey Graham on national television.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:34:26pm
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freetoken  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:34:28pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I think it’s because he still wants to be president some day.

SoS is 3rd in line should something happen to a sitting President.

That’s the only way Mitt will ever become President.

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philosophus invidius  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:35:02pm

Romnney’s humiliation was obviously in the plan from the beginning. This is how Romeny arrived in NY to receive his humiliation from Trump:

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freetoken  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:36:30pm

Meanwhile, here in California, Hillary is closing in on Obama’s 2008 number.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:37:05pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I think it’s because he still wants to be president some day.

Dear Mitt…that ship has sailed. What about the fact America doesn’t want you would you not understand? And being one of Trump’s worn heels won’t make them want you any more!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:38:26pm
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Belafon  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:39:19pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:39:21pm
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philosophus invidius  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:43:01pm

Trump is talking about this:

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:43:31pm
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Yes he does. The adulation he gets from his rabid followers is the only part of the job he likes, and they demand red meat. So he continues to provide it.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:45:10pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:48:24pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I think it’s because he still wants to be president some day.

The last SoS to become President was James Buchanan. (Hillary winning the popular vote notwithstanding.)

Maybe Mitt wanted to make amends with Trump after the election, and it’s blown up in his face.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:48:46pm

re: #19 philosophus invidius

Trump is talking about this:

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good grief

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:49:30pm
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mmmirele  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:49:47pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

He’s losing his marbles. Millions of Americans should be righteously pissed off at his statements.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:49:52pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:50:42pm
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Timothy Watson  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:50:51pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good grief

I remember someone debunking that. That precinct didn’t have a single registered Republican in it.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:52:17pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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Millions of illegal votes would have either shown up as dead people voting, which would have been obvious to the people working the voting, or live people voting, and there would have been lots of people being told they already voted. In both cases, they would have easily made the news. Neither happened in large numbers.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:52:19pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oy Vey this person has not looked at the street lists. Democrats outnumber Republicans at least 5 to 1 in the city. They are looking for something that is not there.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:52:52pm
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jaunte  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:52:57pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:53:10pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:53:26pm

re: #28 Timothy Watson

re: #30 PhillyPretzel

Gregg Phillips’s twitter TL is totally unhinged.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:53:47pm

re: #29 Belafon

Millions of illegal votes would have either shown up as dead people voting, which would have been obvious to the people working the voting, or live people voting, and there would have been lots of people being told they already voted. In both cases, they would have easily made the news. Neither happened in large numbers.

And voter turnout would have been significantly higher too.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:53:51pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

@reillybergs

On @CNN, @KellyannePolls says Trump getting foreign intel from “many sources” - just not the daily US intelligence briefings. @MalcolmNance

While I really hope it’s from STRATFOR and the like, somehow I suspect it’s from much less credible sources..
Maybe he used some funds from his foundation to invest in Stratfor’s Thanksgiving Day sale

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:53:52pm

re: #30 PhillyPretzel

Oy Vey this person has not looked at the street lists. Democrats outnumber Republicans at least 5 to 1 in the city. They are looking for something that is not there.

They are looking to get it repeated endlessly in people’s FB pages and twitter accounts so that it will counteract the truth of HRC’s popular vote victory. That’s all that matters.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:54:32pm

I look at Drumpf’s tweet about the popular vote and I keep thinking: “…if it wasn’t for you meddling kids!”

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:54:51pm

I’m genuinely frightened about a man this demonstrably unstable and psychotic actually being allowed to govern. This flagrant dismissal of the fact that he LOST the popular vote by millions is terrifying because it not only means he’s making up his own reality but that he has utter contempt for the legitimacy of millions of Americans’ citizenship and right to participate in our democracy at all.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:55:00pm
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freetoken  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:55:30pm

re: #36 FormerDirtDart

Nah.

He’s probably getting briefs from the FSB.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:56:15pm

re: #41 freetoken

Nah.

He’s probably getting briefs from the FSB.

The ones he left with the hooker in Moscow?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:58:06pm

re: #40 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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Adam Savage once famously quipped, “I reject your reality and substitute my own.” Donald J. Trump’s line would be, “Reality is what I say it is, and if you don’t agree, you won’t be a part of reality much longer.”

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:59:26pm

re: #43 thedopefishlives

You are correct. That is how he thinks since he is a bully.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:59:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2016 • 12:59:42pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Reillybergs @reillybergs

On @CNN, @KellyannePolls says Trump getting foreign intel from “many sources” - just not the daily US intelligence briefings. @MalcolmNance

That has Michael Flynn’s fingerprints all over it.
Flynn, you all will recall, is the guy who yelled and argued with the intel experts throughout Trump’s first intel briefing when Trump officially became the GOP nomination. Flynn “knows more” than the US Intel experts…

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:00:44pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:00:44pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

I’m genuinely frightened about a man this demonstrably unstable and psychotic actually being allowed to govern. This flagrant dismissal of the fact that he LOST the popular vote by millions is terrifying because it not only means he’s making up his own reality but that he has utter contempt for the legitimacy of millions of Americans’ citizenship and right to participate in our democracy at all.

He’s mentally unfit and borderline psychotic. It’s f—ing scary that he could suffer a nervous breakdown while in office with global implications.

As much as Pence is a theocratic disaster on ice, it would almost be an act of mercy to see Trump quit before January 20.

And maybe that is the plan…

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:01:09pm

re: #40 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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Just keep reminding him that he lost the popular vote. He’ll stay unhinged. And then make sure you report on something Pence, or one of the other Republicans, is doing.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:01:57pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

“Has not been disproven.” Bust out the sourdough, we’ve got pretzel logic incoming.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:02:16pm

I heard it cited by analysts on CNN and Fox

And there’s part of the problem.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:02:30pm
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jaunte  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:02:35pm

Partisans told me!

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:03:31pm

They had suits, ties, they were speaking! On teevee! Had to be true.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:04:01pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

This is what we have to fight - not normal ignorance, but active attempts to mainstream lies as truth, fed to people who want to reject reality.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:04:24pm

politifact.com

Apparently started as a headline on Infowars

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:04:46pm

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Timothy Watson  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:05:49pm

re: #56 Barefoot Grin

Apparently started as a headline on Infowars

But of course.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:05:52pm

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freetoken  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:06:27pm

re: #56 Barefoot Grin

Yes, now Alex Jones will be the source of information for the US President’s statements.

Why have national security briefers when one can just tune in Prison Planet?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:07:00pm

re: #58 Timothy Watson

Ladies and gentlemen, Alex Jones has just become a legitimate information outlet for the President of the United States.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:08:39pm

re: #61 thedopefishlives

Ladies and gentlemen, Alex Jones has just become a legitimate information outlet for the President of the United States.

The same Alex Jones/infowars that yesterday breathlessly reported that the CIA had killed Assange.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:09:13pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

LOL!! Y’all are missing the point. If you didn’t vote for Herr Trump, you voted illegally. Got it now?

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:09:43pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

The same Alex Jones/infowars that yesterday breathlessly reported that the CIA had killed Assange.

Heh. Really? I missed that….

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:09:45pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:09:57pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

The same Alex Jones/infowars that yesterday breathlessly reported that the CIA had killed Assange.

Yesterday, I had hope that we could contain and quickly undo the damage the orange-skinned oaf would cause while in office. This just might break me, though. Jones is a raving lunatic nutjob, and yet the incoming President of the United States takes him seriously.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:11:01pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Oh boy. Here come the right wing chowderheads ranting about SSSOROS! again.

That evil monster Soros who destroyed more communist regimes than the Reagan administration.

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(One liner blatantly stolen from Jon Stewart.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:11:04pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:11:25pm

“Do we want someone who can be goaded so easily with the nuclear codes?” The question, rhetorical I thought, was asked several times by both Pres. Obama and HRC. The answer was yes. Goddamnit.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:11:56pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because the people (mostly Black) who live in Philly hate Trump and are Democratic voters. Duh. What about the counties which went 90+ percent for Trump in red states? Are those evidence of illegal votes?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:12:11pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Heh. Really? I missed that….

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Jenner7  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:12:13pm
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Getting a little tired of hearing that he’s saying stupid shit to cover up his corruption. How about you cover that AND what he says on Twitter??

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:12:23pm

re: #63 Patricia Kayden

LOL!! Y’all are missing the point. If you didn’t vote for Herr Trump, you voted illegally. Got it now?

In Trump’s teeny li’l’ brain that probably is his thinking.

We have a future of The King of Pettiness. Do not say or do anything. It might upset the King!

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:12:38pm

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scottslemmons  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:13:24pm

Maybe we need to start leveraging this fake news stuff for our benefit.

“New study proves Democrat lies! Bleach safe and healthy! Drink more to live forever! Drink what Trump drinks!”

(I wish more than ever that Obama had recorded just one PSA telling people to never, ever, ever throw themselves into woodchippers or he’d be very sad and cry.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:13:34pm

re: #70 Patricia Kayden

Because the people (mostly Black) who live in Philly hate Trump and are Democratic voters. Duh. What about the counties which went 90+ percent for Trump in red states? Are those evidence of illegal votes?

In my county, I would say with a high degree of certainty that is was due to stupid easily-frightened white people…

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:13:45pm

re: #72 Jenner7

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Getting a little tired of hearing that he’s saying stupid shit to cover up his corruption. How about you cover that AND what he says on Twitter??

We can, and should. There are a lot of people out there who can’t.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:19:27pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:21:47pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:27:19pm

re: #49 Belafon

Just keep reminding him that he lost the popular vote. He’ll stay unhinged. And then make sure you report on something Pence, or one of the other Republicans, is doing.

Anyone with that level of borderline insanity is not going to survive one year in that office, let alone four years.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:27:34pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I love the videos of Alex saying he was doing a lot of research into the mystery of Assange and his whereabouts…from some damn scrublands in Texas somewhere.

That’s some serious journalism.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:30:00pm
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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:31:18pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

So now he’s going to ignore all those nasty fact-speakers? Promises, promises…

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electrotek  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:32:11pm

Jesus, now the white supremacists have infested the reviews section of the bar:

facebook.com

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thedopefishlives  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:35:54pm

re: #87 electrotek

Jesus, now the white supremacists have infested the reviews section of the bar:

facebook.com

They’re like kudzu. They spread everywhere, they’re impossible to get rid of, and they’re annoying as all hell. And some people actually grow them on purpose.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:37:04pm
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nines09  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:38:07pm

Trump. Living proof you can be rich and trash all at the same time.

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Skip Intro  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:46:32pm

re: #25 mmmirele

He’s losing his marbles. Millions of Americans should be righteously pissed off at his statements.

They should be scared shitless, because he has no self control at all. It’s only going to get worse, much worse.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:47:22pm
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worldknot  Nov 27, 2016 • 1:55:59pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:01:10pm

Whoever thinks this is “cuteness” should be forced to eat it:

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Dr. Matt  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:07:31pm
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Scottishdragon  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:12:02pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

I’m genuinely frightened about a man this demonstrably unstable and psychotic actually being allowed to govern. This flagrant dismissal of the fact that he LOST the popular vote by millions is terrifying because it not only means he’s making up his own reality but that he has utter contempt for the legitimacy of millions of Americans’ citizenship and right to participate in our democracy at all.

You know what?

I am hoping he actually does real, sustained damage to the country at this point. Damage that will take a generation or two to deal with…

…because elections have consequences and the American people who voted for this monstrosity need to fucking understand that and share in all the horror that follows. They need to understand that when papa can’t get his medication anymore…Trump did that. The guy they voted for did that.

They need to understand that when a lot of people die in a fucking war we didn’t need…the guy they voted for did that.

Voting is NOT A GODDAMNED FIT OF PIQUE OR A ROD DREHER SCREAM OF ANGER THAT THE NEW YORKERS ARE LAUGHING AT THE COUNTRY HICKS IN IOWA OR A PROTEST AGAINST TRANSGENDER PEOPLE.

Because that is what they turned it into.

And we…as a country, need to relearn some basic lessons on why the vote is a sacred responsibility and not a fucking reality show.

So I’m hoping Trump is every bit as bad as I think he may be. I hope he fucks things up enough to destroy the economy and institutions here so totally that “White working class voter” becomes an epithet.

If you order a shit sandwich…you hafta eat it.

If I have to share in the experience, I want the fucker who actually bought it to get a nice case of cholera and food poisoning.

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freetoken  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:15:26pm

re: #98 Scottishdragon

You know what?

I am hoping he actually does real, sustained damage to the country at this point. Damage that will take a generation or two to deal with….

Well, I don’t.

But I do hope that enough of the derangement is demonstrated that the “Republican” brand is poisoned for many years.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:19:21pm
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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:20:39pm

re: #98 Scottishdragon

I can’t wish that.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:20:46pm

re: #101 lockjawcanbefun

There is nothing like a sore winner.

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TedStriker  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:21:00pm

re: #98 Scottishdragon

You know what?

I am hoping he actually does real, sustained damage to the country at this point. Damage that will take a generation or two to deal with…

…because elections have consequences and the American people who voted for this monstrosity need to fucking understand that and share in all the horror that follows. They need to understand that when papa can’t get his medication anymore…Trump did that. The guy they voted for did that.

They need to understand that when a lot of people die in a fucking war we didn’t need…they guy they voted for did that.

Voting is NOT A GODDAMNED FIT OF PIQUE OR A ROD DREHER SCREAM OF ANGER THAT THE NEW YORKERS ARE LAUGHING AT THE COUNTRY HICKS IN IOWA OR A PROTEST AGAINST TRANSGENDER PEOPLE.

Because that is what they turned it into.

And we…as a country, need to relearn some basic lessons on why the vote is a sacred responsibility and not a fucking reality show.

So I’m hoping Trump is every bit as bad as I think he may be. I hope he fucks things up enough to destroy the economy and institutions here so totally that “White working class voter” becomes an epithet.

If you order a shit sandwich…you hafta eat it.

If I have to share in the experience, I want the fucker who actually bought it to get a nice case of cholera and food poisoning.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:22:12pm

re: #99 freetoken

Well, I don’t.

But I do hope that enough of the derangement is demonstrated that the “Republican” brand is poisoned for many years.

We thought that would happen under Bush.

It didn’t matter.

Two failed wars, Hurricane Katrina and a near collapse of the banking industry and the GOP still managed to hang nearly all of it on Obama. Charles has shown us all that wingnut memes blaming Obama for things that happened even before he was the fucking Senate, fer Chrissakes.

Part of it was that the Dems managed to save us from the worst consequences of things here at home during the 2008 financial disaster.

Trump needs to unambiguously screw things up with his and the GOP’s fingerprints all over the crime scene, and the screw-up has to be epic enough that even the idiots who comprise 27% of our polity have this branded into their nightmares for the next 30 years.

That means we give him enough rope to do it.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:23:27pm

Bad news in France.

Fillon defeated Juppe in the Republican Primary. He is a bit of an asshole.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:25:25pm

In the meantime we had Thanksgiving today due to family issues and work schedules. I did a classic stuffed turkey with baked potato and corn on the cob and I remembered my preferred prayer of thanksgiving:

A Prayer of Giving Thanks
November 28, 2013 by Mark Sandlin

Good and gracious God,
There is a tension that comes
with giving thanks.
Even as we recognize
and are grateful for
the blessings in our lives,
we are confronted with
enjoying our abundance
as we recognize the reality
that there are those
who have far too little.
Even as we celebrate a holiday
with roots which reach back
to the beginnings of our nation,
we are confronted with
the reality of
the genocide and slavery
upon which it was found.
We do not forget these things.
We do not celebrate them.
We do not give thanks for them.
In this our tale of Thanksgiving,
they are the terrible storyline
which we must not forget.
Our pride,
our arrogance
and our pursuit of possessions
have constantly stood
alongside of our blessings
as a reminder.
They remind us why we give thanks.
They remind us that life
is sacred and fragile
and that we
are its biggest threats.
They remind us that we do not want
to be those people again,
people who lord over others
and are self-adsorbed and self-important.
They remind us to appreciate
what we do have.
So, we give thanks.
We give thanks for this moment.
We give thanks for the things
that are right about the world
right now,
in this moment.
We give thanks for family and friends.
We give thanks for love and laughter.
We give thanks for grace and good company.
We give thanks for the tension
we find in a day like today
because it provides us the insight
and the motivation
to create better tomorrows.
Not just for ourselves,
not just for our families,
not just for our friends
but for the world.
So, today and everyday,
we give thanks
and we work to create a world
that gives more reasons
for which to be thankful.
Amen.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:25:26pm

Who thinks this 3 million illegal voters thing is Trump trying to knock Castro off the top of the news cycle?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:27:30pm

re: #108 Eclectic Cyborg

That is a possibility. Considering Trump and his constant need for attention, it is a very good possibility.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:28:05pm

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:28:20pm

re: #99 freetoken

Well, I don’t.

But I do hope that enough of the derangement is demonstrated that the “Republican” brand is poisoned for many years.

The GOP’s “evil madman prevails and realizes his newfound power trope” overreach on practically everything will assist in that.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:29:48pm

re: #104 TedStriker
Heh.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:30:13pm
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freetoken  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:31:02pm

re: #105 Scottishdragon

We thought that would happen under Bush.

I’m not so sure of that. Obama overwhelmingly beat McCain in part, I propose, because McCain was too tarnished by the Iraq war.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:34:59pm

re: #102 William Lewis

I understand…and I have Medicare, SSD (which I may well lose if Ryan has his way) and a kid who is autistic and has his own challenges.

Our future is already precarious. We may have to go into a long period of darkness to make this point…and I firmly believe that you reap what you sow. If we elect a nightmare…then the voters need to experience the consequences of that. That also means that my family may suffer an awful lot for things we did not deserve.

That is part and parcel of being a representative democratic republic. Those white working class rust belt people are angry and want to make a point? So be it.

Let them experience everything that goes with it. I will already have to, but I want this to be nasty and painful enough for them to drive the point home without any possibility of misunderstanding.

America needs to understand this.

We elected a profoundly immoral and amoral narcissistic criminal into the most powerful position in the world. We, as a nation, deserve whatever we get.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:35:02pm

re: #114 freetoken

I’m not so sure of that. Obama overwhelmingly beat McCain, in part I propose because McCain was too tarnished by the Iraq war.

W wasn’t batshit insane, either.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:40:32pm

re: #115 Scottishdragon

No. That nihilism is worse than even Trumpenfuhrer’s fascism. Despair is the one deadly sin we can least afford to indulge in.

I will resist them until the day he is out of that office forever because America is worth more than that.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:41:31pm

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Scottishdragon  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:41:52pm

re: #114 freetoken

I’m not so sure of that. Obama overwhelmingly beat McCain in part, I propose, because McCain was too tarnished by the Iraq war.

And the GOP promptly regained the House in 2010 based largely on racial grievance and massive obstruction.

Maybe there is simply no overcoming that, to be honest. Maybe race hatred will the thing that sinks this country in the end. Maybe lies and cynicism will beat out truth and hope and progress. I really don’t know. I am a Hobbesian pessimist, personally. I don’t think things just tend to work out.

But Hoover was enough of a fuck up that he poisoned the GOP brand for a generation and I think it will take something on that scale to overcome the Russian troll farms, Breitbart and Fox News.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:42:10pm

re: #114 freetoken

I’m not so sure of that. Obama overwhelmingly beat McCain in part, I propose, because McCain was too tarnished by the Iraq war.

Well that and the economy went to total shit in the months before the election.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:42:38pm
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Scottishdragon  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:43:35pm

re: #117 William Lewis

No. That nihilism is worse than even Trumpenfuhrer’s fascism. Despair is the one deadly sin we can least afford to indulge in.

I will resist them until the day he is out of that office forever because America is worth more than that.

It isn’t despair. It is a moral outlook of mine. I increasingly see no reason to spare grown people from their bad choices.

Maybe, however, they can learn from them. That means the pain needs to be understood as a consequence of those choices.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:46:55pm

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Scottishdragon  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:48:20pm

Going to make BLT’s for dinner soon…

On another note, Saw Moanna earlier . Utterly gorgeous animated film and a lot of fun. See it.

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freetoken  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:48:28pm

re: #119 Scottishdragon

But Hoover was enough of a fuck up that he poisoned the GOP brand for a generation and I think it will take something on that scale to overcome the Russian troll farms, Breitbart and Fox News.

Certainly the 2010 backlash demonstrated how short memories are in modern day politics.

We are in the tyranny of the now.

But on to Hoover: by the few accounts I’ve read and heard, he was a decent man. Perhaps one of the few Presidents who really was a decent person (like Obama.) His big failure was that time had passed him by - Hoover didn’t realize that the changes in America and the world demanded a much different path than what he was able to envision.

So in that regards, perhaps the better parallel to Hoover is Obama (see my little essay from a few days ago), or perhaps the DNC of 2016.

We are now in the age of celebrity, not policy. In that regards too Obama demonstrated that in 2008, when he beat Clinton for the nomination when some oldtimers (like me) thought the Clinton machine would have easily beaten him.

But Obama had “it”, that mythical intangible that celebrities are supposed to have.

And, sadly, Trump has “it”.

America elected a celebrity. Not a majority of Americans, not even a plurality of the voters. But enough of the voters in WI, MI, and PA picked celebrity over policy to flip those Obama states.

And so now we have a celebrity President-elect.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:51:46pm

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thedopefishlives  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:52:07pm

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2016 • 2:52:29pm

re: #123 Scottishdragon

It isn’t despair. It is a moral outlook of mine. I increasingly see no reason to spare grown people from their bad choices.

Maybe, however, they can learn from them. That means the pain needs to be understood as a consequence of those choices.

Slight issue: The pain is also spread to the people that didn’t want it and voted for Hillary and others like children of the Trump voters, elderly and others that may have not voted and didn’t understand the ramifications, etc. We all will pay for this…and for some time.

That would be a decent reason to resist and fight off Trump as best as possible…why should everyone suffer because of the fools?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2016 • 3:12:19pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2016 • 3:18:13pm

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2016 • 3:19:41pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

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BlueGrl21  Nov 27, 2016 • 3:20:26pm

Thing is, Trump genuinely believes this. He truly believes he lost the popular vote and the electoral vote was so close because of a tremendous, impossible landslide of voter fraud.

This is genuine insanity. Not urban legend and hyperbole and me being insulting, this is paranoid delusional behavior. His level of paranoia and his breaks from reality are REAL.

I say this with nothing but respect for the mentally ill. I come from a family of paranoid schizophrenics, severe personality disorders, and bipolars, some highly functional but many institutionalized. I myself am highly functional bipolar. I do not insult Trump by saying he is mentally ill, I simply state his behavior matches what I have seen around me.

This election is past. I do not know the future. But I know he MUST be managed somehow. Because as his stress level rises this will get worse and worse. I do not expect him to make it a full term….I don’t expect him to make it a year.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2016 • 3:22:02pm

re: #133 Decatur Deb

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Yeah I forgot to close the private tag. Edited.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2016 • 3:31:08pm

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2016 • 4:19:01pm

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UnderTheRadar  Nov 27, 2016 • 4:23:42pm

re: #125 Scottishdragon

Going to make BLT’s for dinner soon…

On another note, Saw Moanna earlier . Utterly gorgeous animated film and a lot of fun. See it.

Saw Moana Friday, loved it, and endorse it whole heartedly - most especially Auli’i and her hero’s journey. I think relying on the Oceania cultural studies story tellers and their unique perspective brought a fresh vision to the screen on how different peoples frame creation stories and mythologies. New favorite!

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2016 • 4:36:10pm

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But the didn’t send these illegal voters into the states that were needed to win the electoral college, strange that.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2016 • 4:42:44pm

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2016 • 4:45:06pm

re: #125 Scottishdragon

Going to make BLT’s for dinner soon…

On another note, Saw Moanna earlier . Utterly gorgeous animated film and a lot of fun. See it.

Wife and I saw Fantastic Beasts and where to find them yesterday. It was a fun movie.


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