Death Cult Mom

A mother of six, arrested by Iraqi security forces in January, is revealing the disgusting tactics of Islamic terrorists in Iraq—who use rape as a recruitment tool.

BAGHDAD (AP) — A woman accused of helping recruit dozens of female suicide bombers looked into the camera and described the process: trolling society for likely candidates and then patiently converting the women from troubled souls into deadly attackers.

The accounts, in a video released Tuesday by Iraq police, offer a rare glimpse into the networks used to find and train the women bombers who have become one of the insurgents’ most effective weapons as they struggle under increasing crackdowns.

In a separate prison interview with The Associated Press, with interrogators nearby, the woman said she was part of a plot in which young women were raped and then sent to her for matronly advice. She said she would try to persuade the victims to become suicide bombers as their only escape from the shame and to reclaim their honor.

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205 comments

1 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:42:25am

NOW will be taking this issue up no doubt.

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:43:05am

This is the height of female misogyny.

3 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:43:11am

Death would be too good for this thing.

4 vagabond trader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:43:20am

Unadulterated evil.

5 Hhar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:44:39am

Sexual repression in an honor/shame culture of course has nothing to do with Islamic suicide bombing, oh no. See, its all about "resistance".

6 Arrr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:45:35am

How much evil does the world have to endure before people WAKE THE FUCK UP and see radical Islam for what it is?

7 kafir lover  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:45:51am

Any question that Jihadists will stop at nothing to achieve their aims?

8 pegcity  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:45:51am

and this is the jews fault somehow right?

9 Racer X  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:46:35am

A special place in Hell.

10 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:47:08am

re: #5 Hhar

Um, no. They used sexual assault as a tool to abuse the shame/honor system.

11 Arrr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:47:21am

I saw this posted at another site:

"People have a tendency to believe what they want to believe, and man of us want to believe that evil does not exist - that for every act, no matter how despicable, there must be a legitimate reason. Even those who accept evil at the individual level (i.e. serial killers, Bernie Madoff, etc) cannot bring themselves to believe that an entire group, or even a culture or a sect of a religion can be evil.

If the Nazis committed atrocities, it's not because they were evil or arose from a culture of evil manipulated by a charismatic sociopath - they were simply twisted. In this view, the Nazis committed their atrocities in response to the unfair treatment of Germany after World War I. Pol Pot cannibalized his own country not because of an evil ideology spurred from a deranged culture, but rather in response to the brutalities of Cold War American imperialism. If the Confederates fought to the death for their right to maintain the practice of slavery - they were simply heroic individuals trying to preserve their traditional way of life in response to the imperialist Union's war of aggression against their sovereignty and dignity.

This line of thinking is understandable, and usually well-intentioned, but it is often dead wrong, and more often than not adhered to by sheltered individuals and people who believe that the evildoers are supposedly fighting in the name of a cause they can identify with, even if they disagree with the methods.

Root causes. Most of the time there is a root cause, but sometimes the truth is as simple as it inconceivable to the decent majority of humanity. Because most of us are good people, we put ourselves into the shoes of others and assume that fundamentally they are good as well. But a decent person often cannot comprehend the root cause of evil, much like no one can comprehend the square root of zero.

Wahhabism is an evil religion, which has spawned a network of evil, nihilistic, death worshipping movements and ideologies. Chief among these is the al-Qaeda movement, which has, like its spiritual antecedent in Nazi Germany, effectively declared war on civilization itself. There have been religious death cults in the past, and no religion is immune to their perversions. The Aum Shinrikyo cult which tried to murder thousands of Japanese civilians was dressed in the clothing of Buddhism, and even visited by the Dalai Llama. The Thugees who terrorized India were a Hindu sect. The suicidal Templars who rampaged through the Muslim world, committed innumerable atrocities, and made the City of Peace flow with blood were a Christian movement. But all of these death cults were localized. Wahhabism and the network of jihadist movements it spawned have global reach. And though they primarily prey on their fellow Muslims, they are capable of striking anywhere, their finances are without limit, and though they represent only a fraction of the Muslim world, their numbers and supporters are legion.

Intelligent and decent people can agree and disagree on how to confront this evil. But it's a tragedy that - as of this point in history - too many people are unwilling and/or unable to see this evil for what it really is. As radical Islam's atrocities mount, more and more people will come to understand what we - including most Muslims - are up against. This woman's use of raped women in suicide terrorism against innocents is just another chip in the facade of radical Islam's supposed legitimate grievances and "understandable motivations". Horrific as this is, every atrocity forces more and more people to take off their blinders. But I fear that before the collective delusions of radical Islam's supposed motivations have died, we - especially the Muslim world - will have endured far more death and destruction and inhumanity that could have otherwise been avoided."

12 Truck Monkey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:47:23am

Well..... I know of a Lutheran cult that puts women to work in church basements all across America doing things like washing dishes and making foodstuffs.

///

13 Rednek  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:47:24am

Bush made her do it. For oil. Right?

14 Catttt  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:47:25am

THANK GOODNESS this horrible practice is getting some public notice FINALLY.

I've posted about this before, when specific female bombers were mentioned - they had been either raped or seduced and betrayed, in almost every case. It is appalling, evil, and despicable.

15 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:47:26am

It's not just the death cult mom. There's a death cult dad to go along with that despicable POS. Rape is the jihad's latest recruitment tool. Make otherwise uninvolved people become suicide bombers because you have shamed and coerced them into being bombers to rehabilitate their image and become martyrs. They are using Sharia to force people to be suicide bombers.

16 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:47:35am

Her code name was "The Mother of Believers".

Their beliefs are evil, pure and simple

17 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:47:54am
18 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:48:09am

Is there a sicker, more dysfunctional culture in all of this world?

19 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:48:14am

Why are these stories not making it on the MFM? Maybe if they did we would not me facing the next Muslim invasion of the UK and Europe. God help the West and our civilised culture.

20 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:48:56am

This is the face of pure evil. Nothing - no possible rationale or passion for a cause can explain this.

21 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:49:00am

re: #18 capitalist piglet

Is there a sicker, more dysfunctional culture in all of this world?

I'm sure Bill Ayer's utopian society could give it a run for its money.

22 jcw46  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:49:02am

Hmm. Well I have to say that you don't find too many CHRISTIAN (or ATHEIST come to think of it) zealots/fundamentalist/creationist/yec jesus believers doing this sort of thing, do you? That doesn't mean they should get a pass when they commit any jackassery but it's like the difference between white collar crime and premeditated mass-murder.

23 Raven1  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:49:29am

This will get wide coverage on al-jazeera, right? And in the MSM? It will be on the front page? Just like the Guantonamo coverage? It will be front page news in The NY Times for a month and a half, right?

24 vagabond trader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:49:31am

re: #18 capitalist piglet

librals are at least a close second.

25 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:49:33am

There is a special place in hell for this bitch.

26 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:49:36am

re: #18 capitalist piglet

Is there a sicker, more dysfunctional culture in all of this world?

Well that kiddie cult in Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom was make believe right?

27 Catttt  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:50:19am

re: #15 lawhawk

It's not just the death cult mom. There's a death cult dad to go along with that despicable POS. Rape is the jihad's latest recruitment tool. Make otherwise uninvolved people become suicide bombers because you have shamed and coerced them into being bombers to rehabilitate their image and become martyrs. They are using Sharia to force people to be suicide bombers.

Yeah, I saw that earlier today. Once people are on the dark side, any evil - evil beyond a normal person's imagination - is not just possible, but probable.

28 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:50:26am

Yes, I read this in our local paper this morning. I was particularly disgusted and sickened that she arranged for a potential recruit to be raped so that the only "honourable" thing to do was to become a suicide murderer.

This is the religion that president obama has nothing but respect for.

sick.

29 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:50:44am

So since the Democratic Congress is about to rape American taxpayers do you think they are trying to recruit us? They've adopted just about every other tactic of the Jihad.

/

30 jcw46  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:50:58am

re: #17 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure that for her it's a labia of love.

utero better stop that now.

31 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:51:05am

Charles...I might be wrong yet after having looked at that face maybe 50 times since the story came out, I'd swear we've all seen that mug in other pictures having come out of Iraq but I really want to say Iran. It's bugging the heck outta me.

32 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:51:18am

The last paragraph:

There also have been cases of women in the West Bank attacking Israeli soldiers so they can be imprisoned after being accused of breaking traditional rules on sexual conduct. In the Palestinian territories, relatives can seek harsh punishments, including death, on women seen as dishonoring the family.

What a life, where it is safer to attack an Israeli soldier with the hopes of going to prison than live with a family that knows you were raped. Sick does nto even begin to describe this.

33 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:51:35am

re: #17 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure that for her it's a labia of love.


Please, I have seen the photo. Dont even go there, mataphorically speaking, of course.

34 jcm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:51:37am

EVIL INCARNATE

35 Moonbat Serenade  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:51:53am

re: #18 capitalist piglet

Is there a sicker, more dysfunctional culture in all of this world?

Yes- It exists in Washington, DC.

36 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:52:11am

Women are supposed to be the civilizing force in a culture. The force that brings balance to the males generally more aggressive behavior.
What does it say of a culture when the women are as bad as the men - as this represents.
I include also those mothers who have been shown praising their suicide bombing children.
Fucked up doesn't begin to describe it. The mind reels....

37 jorline  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:52:39am

re: #29 karmic_inquisitor

So since the Democratic Congress is about to rape American taxpayers do you think they are trying to recruit us? They've adopted just about every other tactic of the Jihad.

/

Are they sending Pelosi out with the 900 billion bailout strapped to her?

38 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:53:01am

re: #31 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Charles...I might be wrong yet after having looked at that face maybe 50 times since the story came out, I'd swear we've all seen that mug in other pictures having come out of Iraq but I really want to say Iran. It's bugging the heck outta me.

She looks alittle like one of the linebackers for the Pittsburgh Steelers?

39 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:53:08am

It's truly disgusting that sexual assault is still being used in Iraq post saddam, who used rape rooms to punish his people. You would think Iraqi women would rail against it, but female misogyny runs deep.

Sad, disgusting, vile- there are no words strong enough to express my revulsion.

40 godfrey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:53:10am

re: #17 buzzsawmonkey

*groan*

41 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:53:10am
42 Racer X  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:53:27am

Not gonna joke about it. This is just too effed up.

43 nikis-knight  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:53:45am
In a separate prison interview with The Associated Press, with interrogators nearby, the woman said she was part of a plot in which young women were raped and then sent to her for matronly advice. She said she would try to persuade the victims to become suicide bombers as their only escape from the shame and to reclaim their honor.


No hell is hot enough for these people.

44 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:53:51am

Jokes and snark about rape on a thread like this is just as gross. Come on!

45 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:53:59am

re: #37 jorline

Are they sending Pelosi out with the 900 billion bailout strapped to her?

Just think - 500 Million Americans losing their jobs each month.

(no sarc - she said that. 500 million. Each month.)

46 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:54:01am

re: #42 Racer X

Not gonna joke about it. This is just too effed up.

THANK YOU!

47 Raven1  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:54:07am

Will any reporter ask Obama about this?

48 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:54:17am

As I said before; unfathomable evil.

49 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:54:17am
50 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:54:25am

re: #31 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Charles...I might be wrong yet after having looked at that face maybe 50 times since the story came out, I'd swear we've all seen that mug in other pictures having come out of Iraq but I really want to say Iran. It's bugging the heck outta me.

Mel Brookes!

51 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:54:49am

This is not the place for puns.

52 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:54:52am

One last comment, and then lunch is over...

If she is now admitting that they set up rape, does that mean the girls have their honor back? Supposedly, if they can prove rape--you know, by the testimony of these seven sober muslim men who stood there and watched a rape--it's a crime, and the girls are innocent. I would think a confession would suffice.

Waiting for an Iraqi cleric to come out and absolve the victims of rape in Iraq of all wrong doing.

Waiting...waiting...

53 godfrey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:54:53am

re: #39 Sharmuta

"Sad, disgusting, vile" is a good start. I'll add "soulless, vicious, and barbaric."

54 jorline  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:55:04am

re: #45 karmic_inquisitor

Just think - 500 Million Americans losing their jobs each month.

(no sarc - she said that. 500 million. Each month.)

Linky

55 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:55:06am

re: #50 Walter L. Newton

Mel Brookes!

Frau Bookler?

56 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:55:14am

there is no mention of charges against her or penalties involved....what happens next?

57 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:55:26am

re: #39 Sharmuta

It's truly disgusting that sexual assault is still being used in Iraq post saddam, who used rape rooms to punish his people. You would think Iraqi women would rail against it, but female misogyny runs deep.

Sad, disgusting, vile- there are no words strong enough to express my revulsion.

Hitler used woman too!

If you can ever get your hands on a book called 'The Doll House' please read it. It's about the Aryan race and a special house set up by Hitler where lovely blond and blued eyed young women (almost prostituting themselves because they rewarded by Hitler) to become impregnated by the elite hand picked soldiers of Hitler who also were blond and blue eyed.

Woman don't fare well with these jerks.

58 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:55:33am

re: #38 Nevergiveup

She looks alittle like one of the linebackers for the Pittsburgh Steelers?

LOL...looks like the whole damned line....after a pile-up.

59 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:55:45am

re: #3 Creeping Eruption

Death would be too good for this thing.

I must choose my words verrrrry carefully too.

/keeping one eye on Stinky

60 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:56:07am
61 godfrey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:56:41am

The psychosexual pathologies involved in sharia law are almost too numerous to mention.

62 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:56:50am

You can trust her!

/paraphrasing Jimmy Carter, but only ever so slightly.

63 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:57:01am

re: #44 Sharmuta

Jokes and snark about rape on a thread like this is just as gross. Come on!

I will tell a joke about just anything. I draw the line at rape and child molestation. This is not a joke.

64 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:57:31am

How many layers of intertwined, mutually-reinforcing evil need to be involved to produce something like this?

We literally cannot comprehend the people we are forced to fight in this conflict.

65 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:57:33am

re: #61 godfrey

The psychosexual pathologies involved in sharia law are almost too numerous to mention.

paging Pat Condell

66 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:57:46am

re: #53 godfrey

"Sad, disgusting, vile" is a good start. I'll add "soulless, vicious, and barbaric."


I think you can add "satanic" (if you believe that there is an enemy called satan)

67 MJ  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:58:18am

Some Muslims appear to be the only people on earth who offer human sacrifice of their own children while raping their own women.

68 godfrey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:58:24am

re: #63 Erik The Red

And yet, buzz's pun does point precisely to this mixture of shahid worship and sexual dysfunction.

69 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:58:31am

Well, sorry, but this is not joking about rape really. It is joking about Arab "shame culture".

Yes - it is very wrong that it is exploited this way, but that only demonstrates how f'd up shame culture is in the first place. It is beyond irrational - it is literally destructive.

That cultural attitude should be ridiculed in hopes that those sympathetic to it realize that it is as much a force of bondage as the slavery trade.

So I don't have qualms with ridiculing it. Far better than reinforcing it by giving it any boundaries of respect.

JMO

70 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:58:33am

re: #45 karmic_inquisitor

Just think - 500 Million Americans losing their jobs each month.

(no sarc - she said that. 500 million. Each month.)

Pelosi is a fundamentally stupid women. The only reason America doesn't know it is because the MFM chooses to downplay it. Were she republican, her career would end over a comment like that.
I never have to look far or go more than a day or two to remind myself of why I despise the MFM so much........

71 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:58:50am

1:41 German report: Most wanted Nazi Aribert Heim, died in Cairo in 1992 (AP)

Our good friends the Egyptians

72 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:02am

re: #64 Occasional Reader

I don't think it's very layered actually. They have a book, it's their instruction manual. I think a lot of people do understand what we are up against, and other people just don't want to face it.

73 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:02am

re: #54 jorline

Linky

74 zombie  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:04am

Beyond evil.

75 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:04am
...she was part of a plot in which young women were raped and then sent to her for matronly advice. She said she would try to persuade the victims to become suicide bombers as their only escape from the shame and to reclaim their honor.

If you were to hold this story under the nose of your average moonbatty Leftwinger they would still conclude that George Bush is entirely to blame for every death in Iraq since 2003.

Somehow, I'm sure, they would even compel themselves to rationalize that this woman - this evil hag - is also a victim of George Bush and American imperialism.

Of course, most people on the moonbatty Left don't even allow these types of new stories to even cross their radar screens.

76 Pietr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:07am

OT: apparently, Coleman still has a chance...

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

77 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:20am

But remember, true evil doesn't exist in the world. If Bush and his oil companies hadn't teamed up with the reverse vampires and put an oil derrick in that woman's mosque, she would be a law abiding citizen devoted to building parks and lost kitten shelters, just like all the members of Hamas and Hezbollah will immediately become pediatricians and cancer researchers once Israel is destroyed. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a Sociology 101 class to teach at Yale.

78 nikis-knight  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:22am

re: #35 Moonbat Serenade

Yes- It exists in Washington, DC.

Banal corruption and widespread foolishness is no comparison to premeditated rape and murder.

79 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:25am

re: #47 Raven1

Will any reporter ask Obama about this?

He'll condemn it, he'll say it's bad...and then he'll say we need to "reach out" and "understand" these people. Like after 9/11:

Even as I hope for some measure of peace and comfort to the bereaved families, I must also hope that we, as a nation, draw some measure of wisdom from this tragedy. Certain immediate lessons are clear, and we must act upon those lessons decisively. We need to step up security at our airports. We must re-examine the effectiveness of our intelligence networks and we must be resolute in identifying the perpetrators of these heinous acts and dismantling their organizations of destruction. We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness.

80 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:35am

re: #36 LGoPs

Women are supposed to be the civilizing force in a culture. The force that brings balance to the males generally more aggressive behavior.
What does it say of a culture when the women are as bad as the men - as this represents.
I include also those mothers who have been shown praising their suicide bombing children.
Fucked up doesn't begin to describe it. The mind reels....

Women are capable of great evil towards each other in all cultures. I have been trying to say this for a long time now. This is a particularly evil branch, but you can find woman on woman cruelty worldwide.

81 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:37am

What's a small, non-venomous, species of ant which builds anthills?
Something which feeds very very slowly.

82 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:41am

Hadn't the Israeli's thwarted a suicide attacker who told a very similar story?
She had married a terror cell member who arranged her rape, then the whole cell coerced her into the bomb vest as her only chance for paradise, since they were going to kill her anyway?
I recall the story but no link.

83 jcw46  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:45am

re: #70 LGoPs

Pelosi is a fundamentally stupid women. The only reason America doesn't know it is because the MFM chooses to downplay it. Were she republican, her career would end over a comment like that.
I never have to look far or go more than a day or two to remind myself of why I despise the MFM so much........

FTFY

84 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:46am

re: #67 MJ

Some Muslims appear to be the only people on earth who offer human sacrifice of their own children while raping their own women.

seems odd since the sacrifice generally gains them nothing...

85 vagabond trader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:59:49am

re: #1 WriterMom

Judging by their deafening silence, my guess is that they consider these atrocities merely a "cultural thing."

86 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:00:21pm

re: #61 godfrey

The psychosexual pathologies involved in sharia law are almost too numerous to mention.

The most unique thing about it is the fact that it was codified. These sort of pathologies had/has been around for millennium's, in many societies.

87 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:00:36pm

I really don't think this is so shocking. Why is everyone so surprised? Is it the number or the rape element? I'm not shocked. I believe there is no low for these people.

88 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:00:38pm

re: #85 vagabond trader

Judging by their deafening silence, my guess is that they consider these atrocities merely a "cultural thing."

/Who are we to judge?

89 WitchDoctor  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:00:55pm

Michael Moore's "minutemen" and "freedom fighters"

90 tackle  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:00:58pm

Interesting parallel between this and the BBC movie Britz. The female suicide bomber is an angry British Muslim student who has a black boyfriend. To avoid family shame, her father sends her to Pakistan to find a Muslim husband, but she instead joins a terrorist group. Her handler is a female and trains her to be a suicide bomber.

91 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:01:14pm

re: #64 Occasional Reader

How many layers of intertwined, mutually-reinforcing evil need to be involved to produce something like this?

We literally cannot comprehend the people we are forced to fight in this conflict.


Generation after generation of brain washing. They won't change overnight, if ever.

92 nikis-knight  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:01:15pm

re: #52 EmmmieG

One last comment, and then lunch is over...

If she is now admitting that they set up rape, does that mean the girls have their honor back? Supposedly, if they can prove rape--you know, by the testimony of these seven sober muslim men who stood there and watched a rape--it's a crime, and the girls are innocent. I would think a confession would suffice.

Waiting for an Iraqi cleric to come out and absolve the victims of rape in Iraq of all wrong doing.

Waiting...waiting...

No, see, it's a woman admitting to the crime, and her testimony isn't quite enough in an islamic court of law.

93 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:01:17pm

re: #66 A Kiwi Infidel

I think you can add "satanic" (if you believe that there is an enemy called satan)

I don't believe in Satan, but you are correct, at least in all the secular meanings that that word can carry.

94 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:01:21pm

re: #72 WriterMom

I think a lot of people do understand what we are up against

I understand the pheonomenon. But I cannot wrap my mind around the pschology of someone who would actually do this. It betrays not just any reasonable sense of morality, but even deep human instincts, principally maternal protection of the young.

95 Lincolntf  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:01:47pm

Gibbs is on. He sucks at public speaking. Seriously, he wouldn't make any Forensics team in the country.

"Ummm, errr, ummm, heh,heh,heh..."...?
Seriously, that's how you give statements on behalf of the President? What a fucking hump.

96 jcw46  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:01:49pm

re: #44 Sharmuta

Jokes and snark about rape on a thread like this is just as gross. Come on!


Sorry if any comment by myself appeared to be joking about rape. (the act itself) That was not my intent.

97 Pietr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:02:02pm

re: #52 EmmmieG

One last comment, and then lunch is over...

If she is now admitting that they set up rape, does that mean the girls have their honor back? Supposedly, if they can prove rape--you know, by the testimony of these seven sober muslim men who stood there and watched a rape--it's a crime, and the girls are innocent. I would think a confession would suffice.

Waiting for an Iraqi cleric to come out and absolve the victims of rape in Iraq of all wrong doing.

Waiting...waiting...

Doesn't happen in the Islamic/muslim world-the female lost honor, not the rapists. Read up on that-males are enticed. and the female is the perp in a RAPE-that's Islam for ya!

98 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:02:10pm

re: #74 zombie

Beyond evil.

Indeed. The depths of evil to which this speaks are simply mind-numbing.

99 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:02:18pm

re: #35 Moonbat Serenade

Yes- It exists in Washington, DC.

What a ridiculous statement.

That's just the flip side of moonbats who think "Bush is Hitler". Please.

100 scathach  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:02:38pm

#80 Sharmuta

No kidding. Have you ever seen anything as mean as a click of teenage girls?

101 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:02:45pm

re: #36 LGoPs

Women are supposed to be the civilizing force in a culture. The force that brings balance to the males generally more aggressive behavior.
What does it say of a culture when the women are as bad as the men - as this represents.
I include also those mothers who have been shown praising their suicide bombing children.
Fucked up doesn't begin to describe it. The mind reels....

These women are worse then the men.

102 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:02:49pm

re: #87 WriterMom

I really don't think this is so shocking. Why is everyone so surprised? Is it the number or the rape element? I'm not shocked. I believe there is no low for these people.

Spot on. The "shocking" label is just hyperbole, IMHO, that prevents the MSM and other outlets from simply calling it for what it is.

103 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:03:05pm

re: #94 Occasional Reader

It betrays not just any reasonable sense of morality, but even deep human instincts, principally maternal protection of the young.

I do hope you appreciate the gravity of what you just wrote-which I believe is very accurate. These humans have turned their backs on humanity.

104 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:03:09pm

re: #97 Pietr

Hey where have you been hiding?

105 opnion  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:03:21pm

re: #50 Walter L. Newton

Mel Brookes!

Walter , I am beating this to death, but did you see my post on the last thread that the 'Sophmoric " joke that I was referring to was mine?

106 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:03:54pm

These are the people who justify blowing up Israeli children "because they will grow up to be soldiers".
It shows their mindset - the ultimate purpose for someone is jihad to glorify Allah, whether by blowing up unbelievers or supporting those who do. (Look at the paliterrorist women who are proud of being munitions factories; that seems to be how they look at their children.)
This is the flip side of liberals who can't imagine evil, and try to see what it would take to make themselves into jihadis; they feel there must be some logical reason. The Islamicists see people as weapons; they view Israelis the same way.
But Israelis fight to survive, not to kill. It shows in their behavior in Gaza.
And the jihadis fight to kill, or preferably, not have to fight too hard so they can kill more.
The society that produces them is sick, and needs to be cured, not coddled.

107 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:03:57pm

Michael Moore doesn't beleive it.

108 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:04:00pm
109 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:04:05pm

re: #74 zombie

Beyond evil.

Beyond simple hatred.

/beyond "religion" too

110 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:04:06pm

re: #101 FurryOldGuyJeans

The women are often the collaborators in the death of their daughters. OFTEN.

111 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:04:15pm

So many past cultures demanded human sacrifice.
Incas, Aztecs, Molach worshippers.
But usually it was the enemy who served as the sacrifice (OK, except for Molach's babies).
How else can Islam, where abortion is so looked down upon that a major ailment of Muslim females is the prolapsed uterus hanging out of her body, catch up with the West in killing our own?

112 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:04:32pm

re: #105 opnion

Walter , I am beating this to death, but did you see my post on the last thread that the 'Sophmoric " joke that I was referring to was mine?

yes, I'm ok, I understand, you understand, it's all cool.

113 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:04:44pm

Maybe an awards ceremony were some Grand Fubar or I Keel You Ahmadi is giving an award to the women signing-up to be martyrs - damn....

114 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:04:54pm

I find it disturbing there would be snarky jokes on a subject like this. And people wonder why I say there's still misogyny to deal with in our culture.

Don't bother responding to me about it- I'm too pissed.

115 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:04:57pm

re: #70 LGoPs

If Pelosi were Republican she would never have gotten even close to the position she holds. Misogyny runs deep. Look at the treatment of Palin.

116 opnion  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:05:05pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

yes, I'm ok, I understand, you understand, it's all cool.

Good

117 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:05:12pm

re: #103 WriterMom

I do hope you appreciate the gravity of what you just wrote

Absolutely.

Mothers colluding in the rape of young girls, so that they can be recruited to blow themselves up.

Parents devoutly hoping that their own children will blow themselves up.

It's against morality, instinct, self-preservation... you name it.

118 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:05:28pm

re: #110 WriterMom

The women are often the collaborators in the death of their daughters. OFTEN.

It's called female misogyny, and mother-daughter relationships are not immune.

119 MJ  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:05:32pm

re: #84 albusteve

seems odd since the sacrifice generally gains them nothing...

I don't know if it doesn't gain them something. In Palestinian society, it seems to have succeeded. They get that all important "victim status" which is important in gaining the support of liberals and Leftists everywhere.
Look at how far the al-Durah hoax has gotten them.
It also re-enforcing the narrative of the blood libel.

120 Pietr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:06:22pm

re: #104 Erik The Red

Hey where have you been hiding?

Busy with life-it's been screwing my online time up....:>((

How R U Erik?

121 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:06:24pm

re: #85 vagabond trader

Judging by their deafening silence, my guess is that they consider these atrocities merely a "cultural thing."

Something else to excuse since anyone not of the Western Elites is simply not capable of being civilized.

122 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:07:29pm
123 nikis-knight  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:07:49pm

re: #64 Occasional Reader

How many layers of intertwined, mutually-reinforcing evil need to be involved to produce something like this?

We literally cannot comprehend the people we are forced to fight in this conflict.


Let's try and count; in no particular order:
1) Belief that woman are subservient to men
2) Belief that sexual crimes are so severe as to merit death
3) Belief that honor comes from the sexual purity of woman and fideltiy to Islamic orthodoxy alone, not from good behavior
4) Belief that murdering innocent civilians in horrible ways is just means to reclaim power and/or redress humiliation at the hands of foreigners

124 Raven1  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:08:01pm

Well Ann Coulter said we should invade their countries and convert them to Christianity. As far as I am concerned any other belief system would be better than raping females, then convincing them to be suicide bombers.

125 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:08:04pm

In case you missed my point, your Pres O has emphatically stated that he respects these people and their religion. This is tantamount to endorsing the same sort of behaviour in your own country. Dont be at all surprised when an honour suicide attack arrives at a synagogue near you. ( apologies to my Jewish brethren, but their hatred of you, as Golda Meir stated, overwhelms their love of anything else)

126 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:08:19pm

re: #119 MJ

I don't know if it doesn't gain them something. In Palestinian society, it seems to have succeeded. They get that all important "victim status" which is important in gaining the support of liberals and Leftists everywhere.
Look at how far the al-Durah hoax has gotten them.
It also re-enforcing the narrative of the blood libel.

yes...but I meant in a practical political sense....who are the targets this time? more old genocide?....and especially what will the police do with this lady?

127 tedzilla99  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:08:43pm

Can we give them a state, President Messiah? Maybe they will unclench their fists while they rape innocent women.

128 tackle  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:08:46pm

re: #117 Occasional Reader

Yes, this is why it is shocking. That a woman, a mother, would do this. It's like when you tell a child, "If you ever get lost, find a policeman or a mother. You can trust them." You can judge a society on how it treats its most defenseless.

129 jcw46  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:08:47pm

Perhaps the most saddening thing about all of this; these women accepted this "counseling" as valid and worthy of acting on. Talk about brain-washed. How many times have we heard of women turning away from offered freedom to follow this Death-Cult.

130 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:09:05pm

re: #109 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Beyond simple hatred.

/beyond "religion" too

No, seriously, it is THEIR religion.

131 scathach  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:09:57pm

re: #122 Sharmuta

You don't have to read a book to understand - all you have to do is go to a middle or high school and watch what a group of girls can do to an outsider, or even each other. It can break your heart.

If they can do this as kids, imagine what happens when they are adults if it goes unchecked.

132 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:10:41pm

re: #123 nikis-knight

Only have correction to that;

2) Belief that sexual crimes by women are so severe as to merit death

133 zombie  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:11:38pm

And always keep in mind that the Left in this country supports these raping monsters:

I Support the Iraqi Resistance

(One of thousands of similar sentiments.)

On this detail alone, their credibility is forever dashed.

134 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:11:40pm

re: #118 Sharmuta

I disagree. This is a particular aspect of the shame/honour dichotomy that Sharia demands of Muslims, male or female.

135 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:11:50pm
136 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:12:07pm

Right, enough of this depressing shit. Time to go see why a blue soap dish is smarter than Pelosi.............

137 irish rose  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:12:55pm

Just more unspeakable evil, from the very same animals that strap bombs to infants and people with downs syndrome.

And our new President wants to "dialogue" with these people.

/spit

138 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:12:59pm

re: #128 tackle

It's like when you tell a child, "If you ever get lost, find a policeman or a mother. You can trust them."

On that same point; my wife, who is from Undisclosed Country Somewhere To The South Of Here, has commented that one remarkable difference between the US and her own country (and many of its neighbors) is the common, and well-founded assumption here that you can turn to a policeman for help if you're in trouble. There, people tend to avoid police at all costs: "I'd have to worry that the cops themselves would rape, rob, and/or kidnap me".

God bless America, part eleventy-billion.

139 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:13:20pm

re: #131 scathach

You don't have to read a book to understand - all you have to do is go to a middle or high school and watch what a group of girls can do to an outsider, or even each other. It can break your heart.

If they can do this as kids, imagine what happens when they are adults if it goes unchecked.

Read the book and you'll find out girls start with that behavior as early as 5 years old.

140 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:13:38pm

re: #117 Occasional Reader

The Death Cult has the distinct honour of being the human society more devoted to death than life. The question is what to do.

141 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:14:03pm

re: #135 ploome hineni


Sheep farmers in NZ look after their breeding ewes better than they look after their women

142 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:14:27pm

re: #59 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I must choose my words verrrrry carefully too.

/keeping one eye on Stinky

i've been trying to think of a comment that won't result in 'Deleted" or "Banned".........

i've got nothing.

ROPMA.

143 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:14:30pm

re: #134 WriterMom

Then you'd be wrong.

144 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:15:33pm

re: #137 irish rose

Exactly. That's why this story doesn't surpise me in the least. Samir Kuntar, Beslan, Tali Hatuel and her daughters, the Sbarro bombing, Mumbai, 9/11 etc.

We ought never be suprised by the new lows.

145 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:15:35pm

WM- read the book I linked to and find out for yourself. This is worldwide.

146 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:15:52pm

re: #143 Sharmuta

We can agree to disagree.

147 KenJen  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:15:56pm

This one woman is responsible for dozens of murders, suicides, and rapes. What will be her punishment? Sadly she is probably considered a hero to many in the muslim world.

148 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:16:57pm

re: #103 WriterMom

It doesn't surprise me anymore how evil human beings can be. It would suprise me to find an evil squirrel or an evil duck, but not evil people. When people invite evil into their hearts, evil will happen. Be surprised if it doesn't!

149 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:17:01pm

re: #145 Sharmuta

I like Chesler...I will try to get it from my library.

150 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:17:57pm

re: #148 Kenneth

You have obviously not been watching enough Hamas TV young man! Evil Mice, Rabbits and Bees!

LOL. Kidding.

151 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:18:08pm

re: #146 WriterMom

I understand. Most women are afraid to confront their own misogyny- Dr Chesler ever discusses that in the book. Still- I hope you'll look into it (the book), as I hope all women (and men) will.

152 irish rose  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:18:14pm

re: #60 buzzsawmonkey

You're right, of course, Sharmuta. But do understand that it's almost impossible not to joke merely as an adverse reaction to the depth of the depravity that the article portrays.

I see nothing funny about it.

153 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:18:19pm

re: #149 WriterMom

Please do. Thanks.

154 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:19:33pm

re: #110 WriterMom

The women are often the collaborators in the death of their daughters. OFTEN.

Like Aqsa Parvez. The honor-shame mentality is lethal.

155 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:20:14pm

what twisted evil people.
where are the women's groups to march against this horror.
how terrible that will remain mute in the face of this.
their goal is not women's rights but power.
and a fcking leftist agenda that harms women.

156 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:20:41pm
157 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:21:00pm
158 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:21:49pm

By the way, some bloggers are getting this story very wrong, and saying she "had 80 women raped" to convert them to suicide bombers. That is NOT what the reports say; she apparently preyed on women who had been raped, but there's no basis to the claim she had 80 women raped.

It's bad enough without exaggerating it.

159 Joan Not of Arc  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:21:54pm

There is a ring of hell for these people.

160 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:22:30pm

And I apologize if I came off as bitchy. This is an upsetting thread, and when it comes to discussing female misogyny, a lot of times I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. That I got one woman interested in reading Dr Chesler's book is a victory for me.

Please excuse me now, as I really can't deal with this topic anymore today.

161 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:23:28pm

re: #151 Sharmuta

The attitudes and behavior Chesler wrote about are real, and do exist in all cultures. However, in Islmic societies, the female mysogyny is "normalized". It's the rule rather than the exception. And it is enforced through the honor-shame code.

162 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:23:34pm
163 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:23:51pm

I am not remotely surprised at this barbarism. I remember reading about this very tactic used by Palestinians in the West Bank.

It continues to boggle my mind when I see Code Pink drones stand alongside the Jihadists cheering for the destruction of Israel. If they only knew... (or worse yet, they do know and simply don't care).

164 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:24:14pm

re: #130 A Kiwi Infidel

No, seriously, it is THEIR religion.

I understand.

What I was implying is that I think this rape/recruitment [deleted] has moved beyond the worst [deleted] in the Quran and the haditha.

165 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:24:32pm

re: #158 Charles

Some reports say that she arranged for the women to be raped, & then preyed upon their shame.

166 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:24:51pm

re: #161 Kenneth

And I'm not denying that. It's why I called it a "particularly evil branch" up-thread.

Really- can't stay anymore.

167 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:25:35pm

Thanks for the clarification, Charles.
Seems the Palestinian female was set up by hubby, but not in these cases.
Sounds a lot like the way that charismatic imams in Europe figure out who to turn into jihadists....they look for the guy whose mom has just died, or who broke up with a girl or some other weak point then use the koran on them in private counselling sessions.

168 jwb7605  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:26:22pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

yes, I'm ok, I understand, you understand, it's all cool.

Hi Walter! I'm baaaaack ...

169 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:27:00pm

re: #142 redc1c4

i've been trying to think of a comment that won't result in 'Deleted" or "Banned".........

i've got nothing.

ROPMA.

I did ask a technically-oriented question up-thread about ants.

/was VERY careful with the wording

170 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:27:11pm

re: #166 Sharmuta

That's true. I think you & WriterMom are in agreement, but with a differnet emphasis. Chesler is brilliant and should be widely read. Isn't it ironic she has been viciously attacked by her former feminist colleagues?

171 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:28:52pm

re: #158 Charles

By the way, some bloggers are getting this story very wrong, and saying she "had 80 women raped" to convert them to suicide bombers. That is NOT what the reports say; she apparently preyed on women who had been raped, but there's no basis to the claim she had 80 women raped.

It's bad enough without exaggerating it.

Thanks very much for the specificity.

/I love it here!

172 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:31:51pm

re: #168 jwb7605

Hi Walter! I'm baaaaack ...

You might want to hang out at the license office and see who gets "dog number 000666". It might be one of your neighbors. You'd want to know.

173 irish rose  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:32:27pm

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

Your privilege. Some of us make jokes because we prefer that to expressions of horror. It does not mean that the feelings of horror are not present; it merely means that we deal with things differently when assimilating such feelings.

Fair enough.
But please understand that rape and mysogeny are very sensitive topics for a lot of women, and temper your "humor" accordingly.

174 KenJen  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:36:56pm

re: #158 Charles

According to the AP article she was aware that insurgents were organizing the rapes. To me its just as bad.

175 filetandrelease  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:37:29pm

This is evil, pure and simple. And let's not forget that this same evil begins nuturing young boys, 5 years old or so, to become suicide bombers when they become "young men".

176 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:39:50pm

This is the same ''culture'' that tried to demonize Israeli armed forces for NOT raping Muslim females, don't forget.
I think this ''rape as politics'' has now gone too far.
Even inside Islam there are bound to be many outraged people too scared to say so.

177 godfrey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:42:08pm

The question is how to make this story work to advantage.

The inevitable retort will be "oh, this is just a tiny minority of extremists."

That retort is the problem. Many people do not want to see this story as symptomatic of a deeper and more widespread problem.

178 jwb7605  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:42:51pm

re: #172 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You might want to hang out at the license office and see who gets "dog number 000666". It might be one of your neighbors. You'd want to know.

Hmmmmmmmm....... I wonder if they skip that? Nope. Our local phone numbers begin with 666 (and some people refuse to move here because of that!)

179 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:46:15pm

re: #177 godfrey

The question is how to make this story work to advantage.

The inevitable retort will be "oh, this is just a tiny minority of extremists."

That retort is the problem. Many people do not want to see this story as symptomatic of a deeper and more widespread problem.

People need to understand the differences between fard ayan and fard kifayah in Islam.
That ''tiny minority of extremists,'' are the ones coughed up by the umma to satisfy the obligations on the community as a whole as opposed to those obligations each and every Muslim must satisfy.
In Western culture there is NO EQUIVALENT.
But read the short (one page) story, The Lottery, and you will understand.

180 zombie  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:48:53pm

re: #158 Charles

By the way, some bloggers are getting this story very wrong, and saying she "had 80 women raped" to convert them to suicide bombers. That is NOT what the reports say; she apparently preyed on women who had been raped, but there's no basis to the claim she had 80 women raped.

It's bad enough without exaggerating it.

But the very article you link to says this:

"In a separate prison interview with The Associated Press, with interrogators nearby, the woman said she was part of a plot in which young women were raped and then sent to her for matronly advice. She said she would try to persuade the victims to become suicide bombers as their only escape from the shame and to reclaim their honor."

It seems that she indeed was part of a system whereby women were intentionally raped in order to shame them, so that they could be sent to her for brainwashing.

The number "80" crops up later in the article in a slightly different context, so we can't say how many people were raped on purpose as the first step toward making them suicide bombers, and we also cant say that this one woman personally arranged the rapings but...

By her own admission, she was part of a group that did rape woman as a political tool.

Your comment seems to imply that she simply gave evil advice to women who had been randomly raped by random rapists, unconnected to the plot. I think it's worse than that: the raping was done by the jihadists themselves.

181 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:50:02pm
182 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:55:02pm

re: #180 zombie

I stand (partially) corrected; that does seem to say she was part of a plot that included deliberate rape. But the point remains that saying she "had 80 women raped" is an exaggeration, not backed up by the reports.

183 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:56:09pm
184 Rexatosis  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:56:11pm

These are basically "Honor Killings/Suicides" with lots of intended collateral damage. Disgusting!

185 zombie  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:58:13pm

re: #158 Charles

By the way, some bloggers are getting this story very wrong, and saying she "had 80 women raped" to convert them to suicide bombers. That is NOT what the reports say; she apparently preyed on women who had been raped, but there's no basis to the claim she had 80 women raped.

It's bad enough without exaggerating it.

Also, Charles, the article says this:

"In speaking with the AP — a week after her Jan. 21 arrest — Jassim repeated statements she had allegedly made to interrogators that insurgents organized rapes of women and that she would then try to coax the victims to become suicide bombers."

I think maybe the sentence that appears (but not really) to undermine this is this one:

"It also was not possible independently to verify the claim that insurgents sent out people to rape women who could then be recruited as bombers in the volatile Diyala province northeast of Baghdad."

Notice the bolded part. What couldn't be verified is the raping-on-demand carried out in Diyala province specifically. They weren't referring to raping elsewhere.

All indications point to this woman being part of a system in which women were raped on purpose so they could be sent to her for suicide-brainwashing.

186 JustABill  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:59:27pm

re: #11 Arrr

The square root of 0 is easy. The square root of a negative number is the one that will drive you crazy...

187 zombie  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:59:53pm

re: #182 Charles

I stand (partially) corrected; that does seem to say she was part of a plot that included deliberate rape. But the point remains that saying she "had 80 women raped" is an exaggeration, not backed up by the reports.

True. She personally didn't arrange the rapes at all -- she just "counseled" the victims. Also, the "80" number refers to the number of women she counseled, not the number who had been raped, intentionally or otherwise.

188 mad mullah  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 1:03:14pm

There's no doubt that this death cult produces some of the most sexually depraved and immoral creatures to ever walk on two feet.

189 Suzette  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 1:07:59pm

re: #79 capitalist piglet

No...we should never try to understand evil to prevent it. BHO is in over his head. Sad....in the deep end of the pool and he doesn't know how to swim.

190 Shinken  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 1:13:02pm

I posted this before this morning

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

EVIL al-Qaeda chiefs are raping young male converts to shame them into becoming suicide bombers, it emerged yesterday.

191 BeckoningChasm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 1:16:21pm

It sure seems as if anything, no matter how depraved and repellent, can be justified if it's done in the name of Islam.

192 J.S.  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 1:16:22pm

I don't believe that this is the first time ever (evah) of reports such as this -- I'm sure I've read about this previously, perhaps even years ago. It's what goes on in a "shame" culture...

193 kynna  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 2:24:34pm

re: #192 J.S.

I don't believe that this is the first time ever (evah) of reports such as this -- I'm sure I've read about this previously, perhaps even years ago. It's what goes on in a "shame" culture...

I've read reports of women suggesting/ordering militants to rape their female victims before they kill them to increase the terror and shame.

There is a special hell for those who give such commands.

194 MacGregor  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 2:36:54pm

Another example of why our men, women, and allies in uniform are the only ones truly fighting for women's rights.

195 angryconservative  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 2:41:10pm

There will be a very special place in hell for her and her accomplices..

196 LEGION  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 3:02:00pm

re: #189 Suzette

No...we should never try to understand evil to prevent it. BHO is in over his head. Sad....in the deep end of the pool and he doesn't know how to swim.

And his rubber ducky flotation device is springing leaks.

197 Ceemack  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 3:03:49pm

There should be a special place in Hell for anyone who would do this.

And I'd love to the travel agent who books their trip...

198 eaglewingz08  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 3:19:25pm

I agree that Hell has to make a special place for that evil woman and her terror pals. I also read on another blog that in Algeria the terrorists are raping other men to enlist them into suicide bombings to expiate their homosexual rape sin. What a religion, you get raped and you are as guilty as the rapist. No wonder there's such moral progress there.

199 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 3:22:21pm

this is the horrifying world of women in islam. that any American muslim female willingly wears the veil is insane to me. and the silence of the women's rights movement when it comes to these outrages shows its fecklessness and hypocrisy.

200 amateurpundit  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 3:26:25pm

I don't know if this woman is "evil incarnate". I get the impression that like everyone else in that nightmare world, she lives in fear, and does what she does to avoid death and pain. Islam doesn't seem to inculcate "objective" values, in the sense of giving people a sense of right and wrong independent of the situation, and the tribal influence, so the quest for security leads where it leads. Right is what the tribe and the powerful demand, wrong is bucking up the system. There is no "truth" in the Western sense of the world. There is only strength and weakness. Westerners, who are live in a guilt-based society rather than a shame-based one, can't really relate to this kind of behavior, nor should they.
But this article does offer an insight into what the West is up against if it wants to survive.

201 shane  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 3:34:38pm

Can anyone for a minute imagine, put themselves in the mind, really understand how a person like this thinks? I am not sure which is worse, this or a child molestor? Or is she a type of child molestor? When would a person, a human being, get to a point where they could do this? I mean drug addicts started somewhere before they became full blown drug addicts. Then at some point they cross a line. Someone, somewhere in the Arab world had to flinch in horror when they read this story. Will this wake them from their death slumber?

202 paybacktime  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 6:47:25pm

A muslim woman setting up muslim girls for rape?

Isn't that a crime, even in Islam?

Something tells me that The Prophet would disapprove of that.

203 paybacktime  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 6:49:36pm

Funny how Saddam Hussein managed to keep a lid on this sort of depravity - with his own sort of depravity handed out by his sons Uday and O'Tay.

204 Smorgasbord  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:15:18pm

Imagine this: A suicide bomber goes on their mission. A film crew goes with them. When the bomber blows themself up, the camera crew is to close and goes to their reward with the bomber. As the 72 virgins are brought in for the bomber, the camera zooms in on their face, and they find out why the 72 are SILLL virgins.

Truck Monkey
Does that mean if I join the Lutheran church the women will cook for me, and even do the dishes afterword? I just got religion!

205 mrclark  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:57:44pm

re: #198 eaglewingz08

I agree that Hell has to make a special place for that evil woman and her terror pals. I also read on another blog that in Algeria the terrorists are raping other men to enlist them into suicide bombings to expiate their homosexual rape sin. What a religion, you get raped and you are as guilty as the rapist. No wonder there's such moral progress there.

yes...after she is raped by a pack of wild hyena (are there any other kind?) Or maybe a few 800 lb rutting hogs... The evil this woman perpetrated is biblical in scope. She deserves a bilblical punishment.


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