Transitional Fossils - They Do Exist

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One of the enduring falsehoods repeated endlessly by anti-evolution fanatics is that there are no “transitional fossils” — intermediate species that share characteristics with two distinct groups of animals. Here’s a good article at LiveScience on the many examples of transitional fossils that have already been discovered: Fossils Reveal Truth About Darwin’s Theory.

These animals sound wild, but the fossil record - which is far from complete - is full of them nonetheless, as documented by Occidental College geologist Donald Prothero in his book “Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters” (Columbia University Press, 2007). Prothero discussed those fossils last month at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, along with transitional fossils that were announced since the book was published, including the “fishibian” and the “frogamander.”

At least hundreds, possibly thousands, of transitional fossils have been found so far by researchers. The exact count is unclear because some lineages of organisms are continuously evolving.

Here is a short list of transitional fossils documented by Prothero and that add to the mountain of evidence for Charles Darwin’s theory. A lot of us relate most to fossils of life closely related to humans, so the list focuses on mammals and other vertebrates, including dinosaurs.

Mammals, including us

* It is now clear that the evolutionary tree for early and modern humans looks more like a bush than the line represented in cartoons. All the hominid fossils found to date form a complex nexus of specimens, Prothero says, but Sahelanthropus tchadensis, found in 2001 and 2002, threw everyone for a loop because it walked upright 7 million years ago on two feet but is quite chimp-like in its skull size, teeth, brow ridges and face. It could be a common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees, but many paleoanthropologists will remain unsure until more fossils are found. Previously, the earliest ancestor of our Homo genus found in the fossil record dated back 6 million years.

* Most fossil giraffes have short necks and today’s have long necks, but anatomist Nikos Solounias of the New York Institute of Technology’s New York College of Osteopathic Medicine is preparing a description of a giraffe fossil, Bohlinia, with a neck that is intermediate in length.

* Manatees, also called sea cows, are marine mammals that have flippers and a down-turned snout for grazing in warm shallow waters. In 2001, scientists discovered the fossil of a “walking manatee,” Pezosiren portelli, which had feet rather than flippers and walked on land during the Eocene epoch (54.8 million years ago to 33.7 million years ago) in what is now Jamaica. Along with skull features like manatees (such as horizontal tooth replacement, like a conveyor belt), it also had heavy ribs for ballast, showing that it also had an aquatic lifestyle, like hippos.

* Scientists know that mastodons, mammoths and elephants all share a common ancestor, but it gets hard to tell apart some of the earliest members of this group, called proboscideans, going back to fossils from the Oligocene epoch (33.7 million years ago to 23.8 million years ago). The primitive members of this group can be traced back to what Prothero calls “the ultimate transitional fossil,” Moeritherium, from the late Eocene of Egypt. It looked more like a small hippo than an elephant and probably lacked a long trunk, but it had short upper and lower tusks, the teeth of a primitive mastodon and ear features found only in other proboscideans.

* The Dimetrodon was a big predatory reptile with a tail and a large sail or fin-back. It is often mistaken for a dinosaur, but it’s actually part of our mammalian lineage and more closely related to mammals than reptiles, which is seen in its specialized teeth for stabbing meat and skull features that only mammals and their ancestors had. It probably moved around like a lizard and had a jawbone made of multiple bones, like a reptile.

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622 comments
1 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:22:16am

Here come the meltdowns!

2 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:22:48am

Science is cool!

3 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:22:52am

Why are you so obsessed with this?

//

4 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:23:12am

I just figured it all out... Evolution truly was an intelligent design!

(hides)

5 x-wing  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:23:50am

I come from Lizards. Sounds about right.

6 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:23:57am

Damn! Should I not be eating lunch already?

7 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:23:59am

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

Here come the meltdowns!

What's the over/under?

8 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:24:09am
* The Dimetrodon was a big predatory reptile with a tail and a large sail or fin-back. It is often mistaken for a dinosaur, but it’s actually part of our mammalian lineage and more closely related to mammals than reptiles, which is seen in its specialized teeth for stabbing meat and skull features that only mammals and their ancestors had. It probably moved around like a lizard and had a jawbone made of multiple bones, like a reptile.

Since we lizards have mammalian characteristics as well, does that make us dimetrodons?

9 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:24:11am

Awwww, it's so cute.

10 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:24:21am

I can't quote chapter and verse, but I thought there were plenty of examples of “transitional fossils” ?

11 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:24:31am

re: #7 Honorary Yooper

What's the over/under?

My take is five.

12 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:24:48am

re: #6 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Damn! Should I not be eating lunch already?

Me too.

13 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:24:50am

re: #5 x-wing

I come from Lizards. Sounds about right.

Fish. We come from fish.

14 x-wing  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:25:19am

re: #8 Kosh's Shadow

I seem to have misplaced by back-fin.

15 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:25:30am

re: #10 Nevergiveup

I can't quote chapter and verse, but I thought there were plenty of examples of “transitional fossils” ?

There are thousands. But creationists deny them all -- there are people who post at LGF who deny them, in fact.

16 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:25:43am

re: #13 Sharmuta

Fish. We come from fish.

You mean sea kittens, of course.

17 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:25:43am

I just think the name Tiktaalik is wicked cool.

18 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:26:04am

Yeah, but they still can't say how bees fly, so it must all be wrong!
///

19 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:26:17am

re: #15 Charles

There are thousands. But creationists deny them all -- there are people who post at LGF who deny them, in fact.

I deny that those people exist.

//

20 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:26:35am

re: #7 Honorary Yooper

What's the over/under?

by thread or for the day?

21 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:27:01am

Transitional fossil deniers?

Excommunicate the bastards!

22 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:27:17am

re: #13 Sharmuta

Fish. We come from fish.

you misspelled "sea kittens"

%-)

23 BatGuano  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:27:18am

re: #13 Sharmuta

I'm currently reading it.

24 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:27:28am

re: #20 redc1c4

by thread or for the day?

2 separate pools

25 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:27:43am

re: #15 Charles

There are thousands. But creationists deny them all -- there are people who post at LGF who deny them, in fact.

Yep, but for every transitional fossil found, the YEC will jump up and reset the goal posts while exclaiming, "That's two gaps now!". They're as bad a moonbats.

26 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:27:51am

re: #16 Ford_Prefect

You mean sea kittens, of course.

GMTA

27 Digital Display  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:28:04am

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

My take is five.


you beat me to it..I say 5 also.. I'm taking the under..At night..I take the over...

28 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:28:05am

Helen Thomas is a living, breathing example. Somebody should ask for funding to conduct an archeological dig on her.........

29 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:28:27am

re: #20 redc1c4

by thread or for the day?

Someone was suggesting 14 for the day. We've already had 4 in the Darwin B-Day thread, so another 2 or 3 here?

30 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:28:28am

re: #25 Honorary Yooper

Yep, but for every transitional fossil found, the YEC will jump up and reset the goal posts while exclaiming, "That's two gaps now!". They're as bad a moonbats.

Can we call them earthbats?

31 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:28:34am

re: #25 Honorary Yooper

Yep, but for every transitional fossil found, the YEC will jump up and reset the goal posts while exclaiming, "That's two gaps now!". They're as bad a moonbats.

FTFY!

32 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:29:20am

re: #28 LGoPs

Helen Thomas is a living, breathing example. Somebody should ask for funding to conduct an archeological dig on her.........

You might have trouble finding enough money to pay someone to do that.
Maybe with the bazillion dollar porkulus, there will be enough.

33 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:29:36am

re: #30 Jetpilot1101

Can we call them earthbats?

Chiroptera Lunaticus

34 Digital Display  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:30:17am

re: #15 Charles

There are thousands. But creationists deny them all -- there are people who post at LGF who deny them, in fact.

Well I deny gravity..But I'm not quite ready to do the wheel meets the road test and jump from a high place.. But i still deny deny deny..
/ The Blago defense

35 Tumulus11  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:30:21am

. On Darwin's birthday, we will be privileged to witness the extinction of several species of troll.

36 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:30:25am

re: #26 redc1c4

GMTA

What does Green Mountain Time have to do with anything?

37 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:30:30am

re: #31 redc1c4

I actually got one of them very angry at me when I compared YECs with moonbats and showed a very strong corelation. That was back in the Lounge with a now banned commentor.

38 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:30:39am

re: #28 LGoPs

Helen Thomas is a living, breathing example. Somebody should ask for funding to conduct an archeological dig on her.........

There were plenty of digs on her in the last thread.

39 x-wing  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:31:12am

re: #27 HoosierHoops

you beat me to it..I say 5 also.. I'm taking the under..At night..I take the over...

Something about night time and alcohol bring out the best in some people ;>}

//

40 soxfan4life  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:31:45am

re: #25 Honorary Yooper

Yep, but for every transitional fossil found, the YEC will jump up and reset the goal posts while exclaiming, "That's two gaps now!". They're as bad a moonbats.

That's pretty harsh.

41 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:32:11am
42 albusteve  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:32:25am

one thing for sure...sea cows are really cool and I will be bummed if they evolve much further...

43 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:32:36am

re: #40 soxfan4life

That's pretty harsh.

Harsh? They deny that which is right in front of their eyes. How is that any different than your typical moonbat?

44 albusteve  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:33:27am

re: #35 Tumulus11

. On Darwin's birthday, we will be privileged to witness the extinction of several species of troll.

why do you hate trolls so much?

45 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:33:27am

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

Here come the meltdowns!

Failure to adapt.

46 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:33:43am
47 Digital Display  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:33:46am

re: #39 x-wing

Something about night time and alcohol bring out the best in some people ;>}

//

I'm pretty sure that's how I was born..But the story in unconfirmed

48 Truck Monkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:34:19am

Yet another thread we can work Helen Thomas into!

49 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:34:30am

One needn't look as far back as the fossil record to find transitional animals. The mudskipper, a fish that can breathe air & has rudimentary legs, strongly suggests an intermediary stage between fish & amphibians.

50 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:34:31am

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Hugh Manatee would be the poorer for it.

That deserves a seal of approval.

51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:34:33am

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey

I am constantly amazed that people who would be astonished to find a wheat-back penny in their change demand a perfect fossil record from 100 million years ago.

And how long have we been at archeology? 2 centuries max?
/WTF do we know yet? All sorts of stuff yet to be discovered.

52 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:34:45am
53 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:34:53am

LGF break is over. Back to work.

54 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:35:21am

re: #50 Ford_Prefect

That deserves a seal of approval.

You ain't lion.

55 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:35:31am

re: #48 Truck Monkey

Yet another thread we can work Helen Thomas into!

Like Norris-isms.

Chuck sells a Total Gym.

Helen - The Totaled Gym.

56 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:35:40am

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Hugh Manatee would be the poorer for it.

You did that on porpoise.

57 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:35:53am

re: #48 Truck Monkey

Yet another thread we can work Helen Thomas into!

She precedes transitional fossils.

58 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:35:53am

re: #42 albusteve

one thing for sure...sea cows are really cool and I will be bummed if they evolve much further...

I think sea cows are Steller.

59 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:36:04am

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

You ain't lion.

well, I did have a porpoise.

60 albusteve  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:36:06am

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Hugh Manatee would be the poorer for it.

swimming round from caye to caye...what could be more perfect...it's like they are there for our pleasure (and they taste like chicken)

61 Digital Display  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:36:17am

re: #51 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And how long have we been at archeology? 2 centuries max?
/WTF do we know yet? All sorts of stuff yet to be discovered.

That's along time really.. It only took Al Gore 10 years to understand climate change..

62 faraway  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:36:36am

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

63 soxfan4life  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:36:53am

re: #43 Honorary Yooper

Harsh? They deny that which is right in front of their eyes. How is that any different than your typical moonbat?

Not trying to justify, just saying that grouping them with moonbats. But your argument is too sound and leaves no option but to agree.

64 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:37:05am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

Obama!

65 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:37:19am

re: #16 Ford_Prefect

You mean sea kittens, of course.

Sea kittehs

66 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:37:28am

re: #61 HoosierHoops

That's along time really.. It only took Al Gore 10 years to understand climate change..

And that was on his spare time, since his real job was inventing the internet?

67 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:37:31am
68 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:37:38am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

My future progeny?

69 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:38:10am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

Isn't that obvious? Homo Obamas is the pinnacle of human evolution!

//

70 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:38:13am

re: #15 Charles

There are thousands. But creationists deny them all -- there are people who post at LGF who deny them, in fact.

No... you're kidding?

71 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:38:27am

re: #68 MrSilverDragon

My future progeny?

Those guys from beneath the planet of the apes?

72 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:38:40am

A few questions for ID'ers:

Where in Genesis does God ever say, "This account is a literal account of the earth's creation"?

If Genesis makes no claim for its own literal inerrancy (as does the Koran, natch), on what Biblical grounds do you base your literal reading of it?

What do you lose theologically if you abandon the idea that Genesis is a statement of the literal, historical record?

73 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:38:41am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

The way we're going, there might not be one.
But if I find out, and I can find a time machine, I'll send the answer back.

74 Tumulus11  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:38:45am
44 albusteve
2/12/09 10:33:27 am re: #35 Tumulus11


'why do you hate trolls so much?'


. I enjoy the trolls. (Bless their hearts.)

75 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:38:47am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

Who knows since Homo Sapiens has no descendants yet. We're still here.

76 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:38:54am

re: #65 CyanSnowHawk

Sea kittehs

Is there a LOLfish site?

77 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:39:05am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

Some of those kids I see in the mall?
GAAAH!

78 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:39:15am
79 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:39:26am

re: #23 BatGuano

I'm currently reading it.

It's a great book.

80 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:39:35am
81 Truck Monkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:39:53am

Helen Thomas kept Tiktaaliks as pets.

82 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:40:02am

re: #34 HoosierHoops

Well I deny gravity..But I'm not quite ready to do the wheel meets the road test and jump from a high place.. But i still deny deny deny..
/ The Blago defense

I also don't believe in gravity.

83 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:40:19am

re: #75 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Who knows since Homo Sapiens has no descendants yet. We're still here.

Well Iran's looking into changing that.

84 x-wing  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:40:20am

re: #73 Kosh's Shadow

The way we're going, there might not be one.
But if I find out, and I can find a time machine, I'll send the answer back.

Morlocks. I cheated and already saw the movie ;>}

85 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:40:25am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

Bi-Curious Sapiens?

86 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:40:35am

re: #81 Truck Monkey

Helen Thomas kept Tiktaaliks as pets.

That's probably why they grew legs, to run away from her.

87 albusteve  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:41:06am

re: #67 buzzsawmonkey

I can't upding you, simply on the basis of the "taste like chicken" comment. They're not doing too well as a species, and it's a shame. They're cute in their lumbering useless way.

I made that up...forgive me...
more like tuna actually

wait!....I would never eat a sea cow...really...my daughter made me give to the Save the Manatees charity years back when she saw them at Epcot

88 BatGuano  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:41:09am

re: #82 Sharmuta

Bumper sticker from 1972 "There is no gravity; the Earth sucks"

89 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:41:10am
90 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:41:16am

OT

It always amusing when you see an email reply go out to a full distribution group that starts "If I get one more email from this fucker" and gets recalled 10 seconds later

91 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:41:26am

re: #74 Tumulus11

. I enjoy the trolls. (Bless their hearts.)

So you eat their hearts while the others feast on their buttocks?

92 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:41:43am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

So... you would deny all of evolution's evidence just based on one minor point? Is that your intent here with this question?

93 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:41:53am

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

Is there a LOLfish site?

Not that I've seen, but a good LOLfish shows up on ICHC every now and then.

94 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:41:54am

re: #78 CyanSnowHawk

Sea kitteh pulls itself out of the sea.

LOL
On one of the last threads, jwb7605 said he was having a fish tank leak problem today. I think you just discovered the cause!

95 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:41:58am

re: #85 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Bi-Curious Sapiens?

LOL!

96 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:42:09am

re: #60 albusteve

swimming round from caye to caye...what could be more perfect...it's like they are there for our pleasure (and they taste like chicken)

Superman tastes like chiken too, especially when he has his red capon....

97 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:42:17am

re: #89 buzzsawmonkey

What about gravitas?

I like gravy, does that count?

98 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:42:27am

re: #84 x-wing

Morlocks. I cheated and already saw the movie ;>}

And Eloi. I read the book, too.

99 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:42:34am
100 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:42:51am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

You've asked this question over and over, and you've been answered over and over. You've already demonstrated that you're not interested in hearing the answer; why would anyone climb into that hamster wheel with you again?

101 jcbunga  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:43:07am

...and they are deeelicious!

:)

102 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:43:09am
103 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:43:32am

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

My take is five.

Crap, almost 100 comments, and no meltdowns. So much for my pick.

104 Tumulus11  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:43:42am
91 Kosh's Shadow
2/12/09 10:41:26 am

'So you eat their hearts while the others feast on their buttocks?'


. Each one will have a whole troll today.

105 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:43:44am

I believe in gravlax, with cream cheese on bagels.

106 itellu3times  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:43:46am

The "bushy" is the interesting thing. Evolution is not a straight line, it tries a thousand things at once, and a few fall off the edges, and a few make it over the hurdles, its generally very messy, and massively parallel - and that is its power.

Walking manatees, great, maybe some rode unicycles, too.

107 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:43:53am

re: #100 Charles

You've asked this question over and over, and you've been answered over and over. You've already demonstrated that you're not interested in hearing the answer; why would anyone climb into that hamster wheel with you again?

I spoke too soon.

108 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:43:55am

re: #96 LGoPs

Superman tastes like chiken too, especially when he has his red capon....

BTW, I haven't seen him lately. Did he get the booth?

109 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:43:56am

re: #103 Ward Cleaver

Crap, almost 100 comments, and no meltdowns. So much for my pick.

The thread is still young

110 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:43:58am

re: #49 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

One needn't look as far back as the fossil record to find transitional animals. The mudskipper, a fish that can breathe air & has rudimentary legs, strongly suggests an intermediary stage between fish & amphibians.

You can keep mudskippers as pets! Cool!

111 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:44:34am

re: #110 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You can keep mudskippers as pets! Cool!

And they're great on the grill

112 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:44:37am

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

It always amusing when you see an email reply go out to a full distribution group that starts "If I get one more email from this fucker" and gets recalled 10 seconds later

Career suicide by "Reply to All"

113 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:44:40am
114 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:44:53am

For reference, not that I expect it to make any difference:

Human evolution.

115 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:45:02am

re: #104 Tumulus11

. Each one will have a whole troll today.

A troll in every pot!
/Vote LGF 2010

116 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:45:10am

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey

I am constantly amazed that people who would be astonished to find a wheat-back penny in their change demand a perfect fossil record from 100 million years ago.

I find them rather frequently, in fact. Last fall, I found something really rare: a 1943 Steel Penny that I subsequently gave to my mother (she collects old pennies).

117 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:45:14am

If one more IDler moans about the 'missing' fossils, just tell them to go home and study plate tectonics - with a bit of geology thrown in.

118 x-wing  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:45:26am

re: #98 Kosh's Shadow

And Eloi. I read the book, too.

up-ding, I just saw the movie last week. Only a different version from the one I saw years ago. Why were the Eloi different skin toned in each movie?

119 albusteve  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:45:30am

re: #103 Ward Cleaver

Crap, almost 100 comments, and no meltdowns. So much for my pick.

hell I'll take one for the team....I'm expendable....say when!

120 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:45:36am

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Hugh Manatee would be the poorer for it.

not to mention Seal

121 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:45:37am

re: #110 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You can keep mudskippers as pets! Cool!

You can bread them and fry them up too....just a little tartar sauce and they are tasty!

122 itellu3times  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:46:02am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

Why are you asking us about your own descendants?

Just come back in six million years and attend the family reunion.

123 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:46:06am
124 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:46:11am

re: #110 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You can keep mudskippers as pets! Cool!

What about Muddy Mudskipper?

125 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:46:32am

Well, I want to go on record that I absolutely do not believe in transitional tassels.

I feel strongly we should go from brassiere directly to the end game. No transitional stuff for me.

126 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:46:34am

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

I find them rather frequently, in fact. Last fall, I found something really rare: a 1943 Steel Penny that I subsequently gave to my mother (she collects old pennies).

My mom found a 1905 Indian head cent in her change once last year. That was surprising.

127 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:46:46am

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

It always amusing when you see an email reply go out to a full distribution group that starts "If I get one more email from this fucker" and gets recalled 10 seconds later

One of those strings went through my company not long ago and there must have been 400 people using Reply All saying "Take me off your distribution list".....
Anyway, it got so annoying that at one point somebody pretty high up in the managerial chain sent a stern warning telling people to stop using Reply All as it was jamming up the corporate network.
You have no idea how sorely tempted I was to reply "OK" using Reply All.

128 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:46:47am

re: #122 itellu3times

Why are you asking us about your own descendants?

Just come back in six million years and attend the family reunion.

Tell Helen Thomas I said hi, I'm sure she'll still be alive.

129 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:46:50am

re: #117 yma o hyd

If one more IDler moans about the 'missing' fossils, just tell them to go home and study plate tectonics - with a bit of geology thrown in.

Or, tell them to demagnetize the metal plate in their head

130 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:46:54am

re: #103 Ward Cleaver

Crap, almost 100 comments, and no meltdowns. So much for my pick.

OMG, Ward!
I'm sorry!
I just looked at the roster.
It was my turn, wasn't it?
*commits ritual hari-kiri* in disgrace

131 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:46:57am

re: #17 Jetpilot1101

I just think the name Tiktaalik is wicked cool.

i like it too. iirc, this was one of the first creatures that crawled from the sea and it gave rise to tetrapods w/ 5 digits on the 'hands' and 'feet'.
those creatures that would have given us 6 or 8 fingers and toes did not make it.

132 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:47:34am

re: #118 x-wing

up-ding, I just saw the movie last week. Only a different version from the one I saw years ago. Why were the Eloi different skin toned in each movie?

I only saw the old movie (George Pal, I think, did that one)

133 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:47:45am

Oh transitional fossils? Yep, there are plenty of them.

134 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:47:46am
including the “fishibian” and the “frogamander.”

And let's not forget "manimal" and "mansquito".

135 itellu3times  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:47:51am

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey

I am constantly amazed that people who would be astonished to find a wheat-back penny in their change demand a perfect fossil record from 100 million years ago.

Where is the transitional form between the wheat-back penny and the current penny, huh, huh? See? Intelligent Design! Saltations! Miracles! Aliens! Investigate Numismatics!
/

136 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:47:58am

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And they're great on the grill

I ate one in Japan. One of the tastiest fish I have ever eaten.

137 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:48:02am

re: #117 yma o hyd

If one more IDler moans about the 'missing' fossils, just tell them to go home and study plate tectonics - with a bit of geology thrown in.

Aren't there some who deny plate tectonics?

138 realwest  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:48:08am

Well y'all - as fascinating as this is, I'm afraid I have to go eat lunch and then medicate and uh, nap.
I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road tonight!

139 albusteve  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:48:08am

re: #121 Desert Dog

You can bread them and fry them up too....just a little tartar sauce and they are tasty!

haha!

140 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:48:26am

re: #129 Desert Dog

Or, tell them to demagnetize the metal plate in their head

On the evidence they persistenly present, I'd say that won't work.

141 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:48:54am

re: #128 Jetpilot1101

Tell Helen Thomas I said hi, I'm sure she'll still be alive.

What's really scary is that somewhere in her attic, there's a painting of her getting younger.

142 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:49:34am

re: #89 buzzsawmonkey

What about gravitas?

Not since Reagan.

143 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:49:34am
144 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:49:40am

re: #133 subsailor68

Oh transitional fossils? Yep, there are plenty of them.

I'm so old that I'm no longer transitioning.

145 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:49:54am

re: #141 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What's really scary is that somewhere in her attic, there's a painting of her getting younger.

Just tell me she never reproduced? Please!

146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:49:58am

re: #137 MandyManners

Aren't there some who deny plate tectonics?

Only when they don't match the cup & saucer tectonics already on the table.

147 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:50:07am

re: #17 Jetpilot1101

I just think the name Tiktaalik is wicked cool.

It sounds like a Tandoori dish to me. Chicken Tikka Tiktaalik.

148 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:50:09am

re: #124 Kosh's Shadow

What about Muddy Mudskipper?

Forty.seven.meeeeelion.dollars?

/inside humor

149 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:50:16am

re: #137 MandyManners

Aren't there some who deny plate tectonics?

Bound to be!
Same people who say the Tsunami in 2004 was 'God's punishment' ...

150 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:50:20am

I can think of one very good example of intelligent design:

This

151 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:50:33am

re: #112 CyanSnowHawk

Career suicide by "Reply to All"

My all time favorite was when someone forgot to go on mute during a 20 person con call and we got to hear 2 minutes of "This fucking dipshit couldn't follow baking directions. Bunch of fucking idiots."

152 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:50:43am

re: #82 Sharmuta

I also don't believe in gravity.

I don't either. The earth sucks........
/

153 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:50:56am

re: #137 MandyManners

Aren't there some who deny plate tectonics?

Not if they live in San Francisco?

154 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:51:06am

re: #137 MandyManners

Aren't there some who deny plate tectonics?

Are they the ones that keep asking about the transitional saucers?

155 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:51:37am
156 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:51:50am

re: #144 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm so old that I'm no longer transitioning.

Well if you're the result of transitioning, mankind'll do just fine.

(No, not ass-kissing....or am I? Hmm.)

157 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:51:52am

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

Back when we still had a silver coinage, it was not unusual to get Mercury dimes, Liberty Standing quarters and Liberty Walking halves in change

Once again, you forget to mention the Bumblebee nickels.

How convenient.

158 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:52:03am

re: #150 subsailor68

I can think of one very good example of intelligent design:

This

Heh.
Had no idea that God also created Rolls Royce motorcars ...

159 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:52:31am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

we've only been around ~200K years..... what's the rush?

160 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:52:47am

re: #155 buzzsawmonkey

Only those who've never seen my dishrack.

No one is interested in seeing your rack. Put your damn "manziere" back on.

161 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:52:53am
162 Truck Monkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:52:55am

re: #131 nyc redneck

i like it too. iirc, this was one of the first creatures that crawled from the sea and it gave rise to tetrapods w/ 5 digits on the 'hands' and 'feet'.
those creatures that would have given us 6 or 8 fingers and toes did not make it.

What did Homer Simpson evolve from?

163 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:53:08am

re: #158 yma o hyd

Heh.
Had no idea that God also created Rolls Royce motorcars ...

Well, to be fair, I think it transitioned through the Pinto.

164 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:53:12am
165 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:53:16am

re: #160 Occasional Reader

No one is interested in seeing your rack. Put your damn "manziere" back on.

It's the "bro", dangit!

166 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:53:35am

re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My all time favorite was when someone forgot to go on mute during a 20 person con call and we got to hear 2 minutes of "This fucking dipshit couldn't follow baking directions. Bunch of fucking idiots."

I was on a conference a few weeks ago where someone got dangerously close to some ITAR violations.

167 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:53:35am

re: #163 subsailor68

Well, to be fair, I think it transitioned through the Pinto.

LOL!

168 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:53:41am

I looked for a site about denying plate tectonics and I found a link to a Discovermagazine.com that linked YEC with those who deny GW.

169 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:53:47am

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

That's a picture of the Master Royce, isn't it?

LOL! Ja mein Herr.

170 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:53:52am

re: #155 buzzsawmonkey

Only those who've never seen my dishrack.

I've seen your rack - you're no dish.

171 Truck Monkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:53:53am

re: #128 Jetpilot1101

Tell Helen Thomas I said hi, I'm sure she'll still be alive.

I am sure that she'll be the one asking questions.

172 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:54:08am

re: #137 MandyManners

Aren't there some who deny plate tectonics?

What we know as continents are actually the exposed portions of turtle shell from seven submerged turtles (well, six plus one very cold turtle). The turtles may choose to move from time to time. Or they may not.

173 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:54:46am

re: #126 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My mom found a 1905 Indian head cent in her change once last year. That was surprising.

The most interesting coins I have found were both dimes and I still have them:

The first is a 1935 Mercury Dime that is still in very good condition.

The second was a ten centavo piece from Panama. Much more recent but coins from there don't make into US circulation very often.

174 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:55:00am

re: #171 Truck Monkey

Helen Thomas, the press corps' oldest living fosshill.

175 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:55:11am

re: #166 CyanSnowHawk

I was on a conference a few weeks ago where someone got dangerously close to some ITAR violations.

International Traffic in Arms Regulations?

176 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:55:27am

Has this devolved into a man-boob thread?

177 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:55:51am

re: #162 Truck Monkey

What did Homer Simpson evolve from?

See for yourself.

178 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:55:53am

re: #176 MandyManners

Has this devolved into a man-boob thread?

Well we have been talking about Helen Thomas, does that count?

179 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:56:01am

re: #168 MandyManners

I looked for a site about denying plate tectonics and I found a link to a Discovermagazine.com that linked YEC with those who deny GW.

Fine lot of deniers!

I wish people would check more carefully who they associate with (yeah, have been perusing that Spencer-thread, had to be done.).

180 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:56:11am

re: #176 MandyManners

Has this devolved into a man-boob thread?

How do you transition from a man to a boob?

Oh wait....don't answer that.

;-)

181 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:56:26am

re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My all time favorite was when someone forgot to go on mute during a 20 person con call and we got to hear 2 minutes of "This fucking dipshit couldn't follow baking directions. Bunch of fucking idiots."

I was on a conference call not long ago regarding a project that has been troubled for several years. One of the reps of a German bank involved in the financing at one point stressed the importance - in his thick German accent - of finding a "final solution" to the problem.

Can you say "awkward silence ensued"? I knew you could!

182 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:56:50am

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

International Traffic in Arms Regulations?

Internet Tits & Ass Revue

A fine, fine publication which I subscribe to for the interesting articles they feature.

183 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:56:54am

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

International Traffic in Arms Regulations?

Yep.

184 Omega3  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:56:55am

So the problem really is if we allow creationism or ID to be taught then we would be on a slippery slope to also having to allow sharia to be taught?

Is that right? I don't get how this age-old disagreement pertains to the topic of fighting, stopping jihad.

185 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:56:56am

re: #176 MandyManners

Has this devolved into a man-boob thread?

Y'mean this 'un hair?

186 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:57:22am

re: #172 Bloodnok

What we know as continents are actually the exposed portions of turtle shell from seven submerged turtles (well, six plus one very cold turtle). The turtles may choose to move from time to time. Or they may not.

Those must be the top turtles then, standing on the ones below them, on and on ... turtles all the way down ...

187 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:57:23am

re: #117 yma o hyd

If one more IDler moans about the 'missing' fossils, just tell them to go home and study plate tectonics - with a bit of geology thrown in.

Been there, done that, yma. The IDers are denser than a chunk of basalt.

188 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:57:25am

re: #172 Bloodnok

What we know as continents are actually the exposed portions of turtle shell from seven submerged turtles (well, six plus one very cold turtle). The turtles may choose to move from time to time. Or they may not.

"Before the beginning, there was this turtle. And the turtle was alone. And he looked around, and he saw his neighbor, which was his mother. And he lay down on top of his neighbor, and behold! she bore him in tears an oak tree, which grew all day and then fell over -- like a bridge. And lo! underneath the bridge there came a catfish. And he was very big. And he was walking. And he was the biggest he had seen. And so were the fiery balls of this fish, one of which is the sun, and the other, they called the moon."

Turtles and transitional fossils in one!

189 Digital Display  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:57:33am

re: #158 yma o hyd

Heh.
Had no idea that God also created Rolls Royce motorcars ...


Sure he designed it..But after he created the laws of the conservation of energy he switched to a green Prius...
/

190 ThinkRight  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:57:35am

re: #176 MandyManners

Has this devolved into a man-boob thread?


Mine are at least a b cup

191 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:57:49am

re: #180 subsailor68

How do you transition from a man to a boob?

Oh wait....don't answer that.

;-)

There are many ways.
Take your pec.

192 Unakite  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:58:02am

re: #28 LGoPs

Helen Thomas is a living, breathing example. Somebody should ask for funding to conduct an archeological dig on her.........

I don't think there is anyone nuts enough to dig on her.

193 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:58:11am

re: #182 Desert Dog

Internet Tits & Ass Revue

A fine, fine publication which I subscribe to for the interesting articles they feature.

Diversity at it's finest.

194 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:58:13am

re: #184 Omega3

So the problem really is if we allow creationism or ID to be taught then we would be on a slippery slope to also having to allow sharia to be taught?

Is that right? I don't get how this age-old disagreement pertains to the topic of fighting, stopping jihad.

If you allow the teaching of one religious belief, CAIR will demand that their version be taught. I guarantee you.

195 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:58:46am

re: #180 subsailor68

How do you transition from a man to a boob?

Oh wait....don't answer that.

;-)

You can do it with two men walking a breast.........

196 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:58:52am

re: #188 Kosh's Shadow

PIMF, the second paragraph, "Before the beginning..." was from Firesign Theatre.
I guess there is at least one bozo on this thread (me).

197 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:58:56am

re: #187 Honorary Yooper

Been there, done that, yma. The IDers are denser than a chunk of basalt.

Basalt! Ha! That's not real - I need more evidence.
/

198 Omega3  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:58:57am

re: #194 MandyManners

so that's why this is such a hot topic around here!?

199 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:59:39am

re: #182 Desert Dog

Internet Tits & Ass Revue

I read this quickly and thought that last word was "Revenue".

A week's worth of which could probably pay off the Porkulus Package.

200 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:59:39am

re: #184 Omega3

So the problem really is if we allow creationism or ID to be taught then we would be on a slippery slope to also having to allow sharia to be taught?

Is that right? I don't get how this age-old disagreement pertains to the topic of fighting, stopping jihad.

It's called "unintended consequences". And yes, ID would open the door to islamic creation.

Also- are you aware that the ID movement has ties to islamic creationists?

201 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:59:47am

re: #195 LGoPs

You can do it with two men walking a breast.........

That's an upding - not because I hadn't ever heard it, but you got there long before anyone else!

:-)

202 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:59:48am

re: #150 subsailor68

I can think of one very good example of intelligent design:

This

My choice

203 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:59:50am

re: #177 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You know Beer, I don't even have to click the link.

When I read that, I went to open youtube, but then stopped.

It dawned on me, you would have the link up already.

It is a sickness.

204 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:59:53am

re: #183 CyanSnowHawk

Yep.

Nice. With us, we work with DOD. We've lost more than a few people who failed to follow proper channels sending information between vendors and clients. Just trying to do their jobs, but they sent restricted information out without clearance.

205 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:59:54am

re: #195 LGoPs

You can do it with two men walking a breast.........

That's tit for tat.

206 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:00:00am

re: #190 ThinkRight

Mine are at least a b cup

Let's not make a tempest in a b-cup, shall we?

207 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:00:04am

re: #194 MandyManners

If you allow the teaching of one religious belief, CAIR will demand that their version be taught. I guarantee you.

That is the slippery slope that has to be avoided. Christian...then Muslim...then Hindu...it will not end with the "PC gone wild" in our society. It's great people have religious beliefs....more power to you. Just don't try to force them on me.

208 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:00:09am

20:38 Kadima: Time for Netanyahu, Likud to end campaign to steal power (Haaretz)


20:28 Likud says Kadima `pathetic` and not accepting the political reality (Haaretz)

Ain't Israeli Politics fun?

209 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:00:30am

re: #137 MandyManners

Aren't there some who deny plate tectonics?

Yep. IDers deny plate tectonics as well as evolution.
You really should see some of the odder Flood theories, Mandy. Some of them are so contrived and convoluted, it'll make your head spin faster than a tilt-a-whirl.

210 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:00:32am

re: #202 redc1c4

My choice

Oh yeah! She's a beauty.

211 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:00:37am

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

Is that the breast you can do?

tit's a start

212 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:01:01am

Reading a little about Helen Thomas, I came across this:

On May 17, 2000, after fifty-seven years working with the organization, Thomas resigned from UPI the day after the announcement of its acquisition by News World Communications Inc., a company founded and controlled by Unification Church leader Reverend Sun Myung Moon.

I. Did. Not. Know. That.

/Johnny Carson voice

213 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:01:16am

re: #199 Occasional Reader

I read this quickly and thought that last word was "Revenue".

A week's worth of which could probably pay off the Porkulus Package.

It would be subject to the new Porn Tax (those bastards!)

214 Unakite  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:01:24am

re: #56 MandyManners

You did that on porpoise.

Whale, I never...!

215 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:01:26am

re: #202 redc1c4

My choice

You're just begging for a religious flamewar, you know that, right? Because the Church of Glock acolytes will have to chime in.

216 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:01:31am

re: #206 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Let's not make a tempest in a b-cup, shall we?

To b or not to b - Hamlet

217 rightside  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:01:46am

re: #211 redc1c4

Udderly ridiculous.

218 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:02:01am

re: #198 Omega3

so that's why this is such a hot topic around here!?

Would you like the government, via a public school science classroom, to undermine your right as a parent to teach your child your faith?

219 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:02:04am

re: #198 Omega3

so that's why this is such a hot topic around here!?

That and the fact that evolution is science, and creationism is not.

220 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:02:11am

re: #217 rightside

Udderly ridiculous.

That's going to be permanently burned into my mammories.

221 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:02:39am

re: #208 Nevergiveup

20:38 Kadima: Time for Netanyahu, Likud to end campaign to steal power (Haaretz)


20:28 Likud says Kadima `pathetic` and not accepting the political reality (Haaretz)

Ain't Israeli Politics fun?

20:41 Kadima to Likud: I know you are, but what am I?

222 Unakite  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:02:40am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

Do you have children? Those are your descendants.

223 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:02:50am

re: #208 Nevergiveup

20:38 Kadima: Time for Netanyahu, Likud to end campaign to steal power (Haaretz)

20:28 Likud says Kadima `pathetic` and not accepting the political reality (Haaretz)

Ain't Israeli Politics fun?

It's an escape from the deadly reality of the war Israel faces on a daily basis.

224 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:02:52am

re: #215 Occasional Reader

Glocks are good? I thought they were only good for gangster movies.

225 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:02:56am

re: #195 LGoPs

You can do it with two men walking a breast.........

Isn't it hard to get a leash on one of those?

226 Omega3  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:03:12am

re: #200 Sharmuta

I was aware of such claims yes. I'm also thinking that ID shouldn't be taught in public schools on other grounds as well, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Very few people understand this topic or care to and fewer still believe that it is important.

227 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:03:40am

re: #204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nice. With us, we work with DOD. We've lost more than a few people who failed to follow proper channels sending information between vendors and clients. Just trying to do their jobs, but they sent restricted information out without clearance.

It happens. Since I've been here, there have been constant reminders of how to do that stuff right. Too much is at stake to let a careless screw up draw unwanted attention.

228 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:03:44am

re: #220 MrSilverDragon

That's going to be permanently burned into my mammories.

That was a pretty lymph comment.....
:)

229 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:04:22am

re: #226 Omega3

I was aware of such claims yes. I'm also thinking that ID shouldn't be taught in public schools on other grounds as well, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Very few people understand this topic or care to and fewer still believe that it is important.

What isn't important about degrading the scientific standards of America?

230 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:04:22am

re: #228 LGoPs

Talk about milking the occasion for all its worth.

231 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:04:27am

re: #137 MandyManners

Aren't there some who deny plate tectonics?

I stand firmly against plate tectonics.

232 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:04:31am

How has a word like "boob" come to mean two different things - a fool, or a breast? English is an odd language.

233 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:04:34am

re: #224 godfrey

Glocks are good? I thought they were only good for gangster movies.

Being an atheist and therefore with no god in this fight, I'm allowed to own an M1911, and yet also speak highly of the Glock. Both are frickkin' brilliant designs.

234 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:04:41am

re: #226 Omega3

And, if you don't like reading about it, GAZE.

235 Omega3  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:04:44am

re: #218 Sharmuta

Would you like the government, via a public school science classroom, to undermine your right as a parent to teach your child your faith?

how would the government do that? I'm curious.

236 soxfan4life  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:04:48am

re: #194 MandyManners

If you allow the teaching of one religious belief, CAIR will demand that their version be taught. I guarantee you.

On a related note did you see this about the professor at BC who felt that displaying the crucfix in the classroom prohibited the free exchange of ideas. Friggin libs bitchin about a crucifix at a private Catholic college.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

237 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:04:58am

re: #228 LGoPs

That was a pretty lymph comment.....
:)

I node what you mean.

238 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:05:20am

re: #232 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

How has a word like "boob" come to mean two different things - a fool, or a breast? English is an odd language.

The same way that "sanction" has two, almost entirely opposite meanings.

239 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:05:26am

re: #231 debutaunt

I stand firmly against plate tectonics.

At least until the next earthquake.

240 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:05:34am

re: #231 debutaunt

I stand firmly against plate tectonics.

I say "Reunite Pangea!"
/

241 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:05:47am

re: #220 MrSilverDragon

That's going to be permanently burned into my mammories.

Are those misty water-colored mammarys?

242 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:05:49am

re: #225 eschew_obfuscation

Isn't it hard to get a leash on one of those?

If two men reall did that they'd probably get collar-ed by the police......

243 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:05:51am

*sniff*

244 rightside  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:05:58am

re: #233 Occasional Reader

IMHO 1911>Glock

245 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:06:15am

re: #184 Omega3

Now you've done it - made me go on a rant!
Its not just about letting sharia into schools - its far far worse.

It makes people who'd be interested in the natural world think they must turn away from that because otherwise they're being bad chistians - or, listening to the other side, they are made to think that enjoyment of natural sciences naturally leads to them becoming atheists.
If let into schools, it discourages anybody from finding out about the world around them, because why would you spend time to discover whats there if you're told, its all made by God, so don't ask questions and go away?

I loathe only the ROP more than I loathe ID - it is a crime, in my eyes, to discourage young people from using their senses, their curiosity, their enthusiasm about our world while there is still so much to discover.

I'm a Christian, and will say this at the end: the Creator is not inside His creation.

246 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:06:18am

re: #239 Honorary Yooper

At least until the next earthquake.

Did you know that sheep's bladders may be used to prevent earthquakes?
/Sir Bedevere

247 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:06:29am

re: #241 subsailor68

Are those misty water-colored mammarys?

Well, that's the way they were...

248 jaunte  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:06:34am

re: #226 Omega3

I was aware of such claims yes. I'm also thinking that ID shouldn't be taught in public schools on other grounds as well, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Very few people understand this topic or care to and fewer still believe that it is important.

It's only connected to how the Republicans can get back into political power, or how they will fail.

249 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:06:35am

re: #230 godfrey

Talk about milking the occasion for all its worth.

You're talking udder nonsense......

250 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:06:40am

re: #213 Desert Dog

It would be subject to the new Porn Tax (those bastards!)

It will be a highly visible example of just how CA has gone out of its way to drive business out of the state.

251 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:06:43am

re: #226 Omega3

I think it's important.

252 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:07:08am

re: #226 Omega3

I was aware of such claims yes. I'm also thinking that ID shouldn't be taught in public schools on other grounds as well, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Very few people understand this topic or care to and fewer still believe that it is important.

proving only the ignorance and shallowness of those people.

253 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:07:10am

re: #187 Honorary Yooper

Been there, done that, yma. The IDers are denser than a chunk of basalt.

Yeah - but always good for getting ye olde adrenalin flowing!

:-)

254 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:07:21am

re: #244 rightside

IMHO 1911>Glock

Like I said, I own an M1911. But I have to admit, Glock wins in the durability/reliability department.

255 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:07:22am

re: #236 soxfan4life

On a related note did you see this about the professor at BC who felt that displaying the crucfix in the classroom prohibited the free exchange of ideas. Friggin libs bitchin about a crucifix at a private Catholic college.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

No one if forcing Maxim to stay there.

256 Daffy Duck  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:07:25am

re: #209 Honorary Yooper

Yep. IDers deny plate tectonics as well as evolution.
You really should see some of the odder Flood theories, Mandy. Some of them are so contrived and convoluted, it'll make your head spin faster than a tilt-a-whirl.


Exactly. They (YEC / IDers, etc.) recognize (not "accept") the scientific link between geological evolution and biological evolution. They attempt to drive a Wedge anywhere they perceive a crack. I'm sure the other sciences (physics, chemistry, cosmology, etc.) all have their versions of creationists.

257 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:07:27am

re: #237 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I node what you mean.

i'm gland we can all agree

258 Omega3  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:07:28am

re: #234 MandyManners

And, if you don't like reading about it, GAZE.

ok, just curious is all. It's fairly difficult to understand the issues given the many different types of comments by the many different types of posters with many different levels of competency on the matter. And I was just curious what some of you felt so angered by.

259 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:07:32am

re: #249 LGoPs

You're talking udder nonsense......

I think it's time to nipple this in the bud.

260 albusteve  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:07:49am

re: #226 Omega3

I was aware of such claims yes. I'm also thinking that ID shouldn't be taught in public schools on other grounds as well, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Very few people understand this topic or care to and fewer still believe that it is important.

that is certainly a problem in our society today...cause and effect are boring

261 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:07:50am

re: #235 Omega3

how would the government do that? I'm curious.

I'm done spoon feeding you today. I'm sure if you put your thinking cap on though, you'll figure it out.

262 johnnyreb  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:08:04am

re: #227 CyanSnowHawk

It happens. Since I've been here, there have been constant reminders of how to do that stuff right. Too much is at stake to let a careless screw up draw unwanted attention.

We call that not wanting to become "famous".

263 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:08:10am

re: #253 yma o hyd

Yeah - but always good for getting ye olde adrenalin flowing!

:-)

True, that's always gneiss.

264 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:08:11am

re: #240 Kosh's Shadow

I say "Reunite Pangea!"
/

That would be a fun prank to pull on college moonbats - start distributing "Free Pangea!" bumper stickers & see believes that it's the latest cause celebre.

265 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:08:13am

re: #254 Occasional Reader

Like I said, I own an M1911. But I have to admit, Glock wins in the durability/reliability department.

I've got two, and in those departments (along with accuracy IMHO), they're great.

266 albusteve  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:08:40am

re: #231 debutaunt

I stand firmly against plate tectonics.

now that's a moving position

267 soxfan4life  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:08:46am

re: #255 MandyManners

No one if forcing Maxim to stay there.

That was my take as well. Certainly wouldn't take long to replace him.

268 Omega3  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:08:49am

re: #245 yma o hyd

thanks, yma o hyd, that was clear and helpful.

269 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:09:09am

re: #254 Occasional Reader

Like I said, I own an M1911. But I have to admit, Glock wins in the durability/reliability department.


Which would you rather be shot with?

270 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:09:15am

The proposed teaching of ID (or even creationism, if they got their fondest wish) in science classes is merely a stalking horse for something else. That something else is a benign theocracy.

/"benign" until you object

271 Unakite  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:09:23am

re: #163 subsailor68

Well, to be fair, I think it transitioned through the Pinto.

I think the Pinto was a branch that went extinct.

272 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:09:24am

re: #257 redc1c4

i'm gland we can all agree

I guess we're all in hormone-ey then......

273 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:09:24am

re: #258 Omega3

I don't believe you're curious at all. If you were, you'd take the time to look into this for yourself. Instead, you're playing a subtle version of "Dance, Darwinist, dance!"

274 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:09:38am

re: #236 soxfan4life

On a related note did you see this about the professor at BC who felt that displaying the crucfix in the classroom prohibited the free exchange of ideas. Friggin libs bitchin about a crucifix at a private Catholic college.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Well, then he can go elsewhere. BC is doing right by openly, honestly and non-coercively proclaiming its faith. Let objecting moonbats pound sand.

275 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:09:41am

re: #241 subsailor68

Are those misty water-colored mammarys?

Mermaid boobs.

276 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:09:45am

re: #258 Omega3

ok, just curious is all. It's fairly difficult to understand the issues given the many different types of comments by the many different types of posters with many different levels of competency on the matter. And I was just curious what some of you felt so angered by.

Angered? The main sources of anger I see here are the ones who call Charles a godless atheist. Have you read his posts about the hate-mail he gets from some?

277 rightside  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:09:48am

re: #259 MrSilverDragon

Teats a good idea.

278 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:09:54am

re: #266 albusteve

now that's a moving position

I got my TV from Tectonics. Unfortunately I can only get the Extinct Animal Planet on it.

279 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:10:04am

re: #269 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Which would you rather be shot with?

None of the above?

280 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:10:11am

re: #264 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That would be a fun prank to pull on college moonbats - start distributing "Free Pangea!" bumper stickers & see believes that it's the latest cause celebre.

Somewhat along the lines of banning dihydro monoxide due to its ill effects on people?

281 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:10:25am

re: #271 Unakite

I think the Pinto was a branch that went extinct.

It evolved into a bean.......

282 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:10:34am

re: #255 MandyManners

No one if forcing Maxim to stay there.

It's hard to get Maxim off of college campuses - the guys really go for that Stuff.
/

283 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:10:37am

re: #273 Sharmuta

I don't believe you're curious at all. If you were, you'd take the time to look into this for yourself. Instead, you're playing a subtle version of "Dance, Darwinist, dance!"

That's why I *sniffed*.

284 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:10:41am

re: #276 MandyManners

who call Charles a godless atheist

And those are the very worst kind of atheist!

285 Omega3  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:11:12am

re: #261 Sharmuta

I'm done spoon feeding you today. I'm sure if you put your thinking cap on though, you'll figure it out.

I just don't think the government could do that as you said. I'd like to hear what you have to say about it. You seem to comment a lot about many things and esp this topic often, so hopefully you can take this chance to help enlighten one who needs to be ' spoon fed'. Then you have done your best for your zealotry.

286 jorline  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:11:30am

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

Here come the meltdowns!

Global warming.
/

287 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:11:43am

re: #284 Occasional Reader

And those are the very worst kind of atheist!

Didn't Elizabeth Dole's campaign accuse her opponent that?

288 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:11:47am

re: #273 Sharmuta

I don't believe you're curious at all. If you were, you'd take the time to look into this for yourself. Instead, you're playing a subtle version of "Dance, Darwinist, dance!"

Dance Dance Evolution?

289 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:11:50am

re: #264 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That would be a fun prank to pull on college moonbats - start distributing "Free Pangea!" bumper stickers & see believes that it's the latest cause celebre.

It would be fun - like making them sign petitions against the use of di-hydrogen-oxide ....

290 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:11:58am

re: #273 Sharmuta

I don't believe you're curious at all. If you were, you'd take the time to look into this for yourself. Instead, you're playing a subtle version of "Dance, Darwinist, dance!"

/me hands over the traditional green smoke grenade

he's all yours!

291 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:11:59am

re: #264 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That would be a fun prank to pull on college moonbats - start distributing "Free Pangea!" bumper stickers & see believes that it's the latest cause celebre.

My guess is many of the "Free Tibet" people could not even find it on a map, or tell you anything the history of that area. Not that I think the Chinese are right for being in there, mind you.

I am guessing you could get quite a few takers with your "Free Pangea" movement, especially if you tell them about the suffering of the Pangeans under the evil Mesozoicans

292 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:12:08am

re: #282 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It's hard to get Maxim off of college campuses - the guys really go for that Stuff.
/

Ask not F HM the bell tolls...

293 rightside  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:12:24am

re: #288 CyanSnowHawk

That was good!

...and a fun game too!

294 winston06  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:12:27am

Help needed quick

Is Brussel Journal run by European neo-fascists?

295 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:12:28am

re: #273 Sharmuta

I don't believe you're curious at all. If you were, you'd take the time to look into this for yourself. Instead, you're playing a subtle version of "Dance, Darwinist, dance!"

Sharm... I wouldn't be so quick to jump on Omega3. It is possible that his questions are honest, because he doesn't have the common sense or the normal critical thinking skills needed to research this issues themselves.

I personally know a number of folks like him, and a few of them are even in assisted living homes.

:)

296 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:12:34am

Omega3

Karma: 5
Registered since: Jan 31, 2009 at 8:14 pm
(Logged in)

No. of comments posted: 30
No. of links posted: 0

297 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:12:49am

re: #284 Occasional Reader

And those are the very worst kind of atheist!

Yes, the ones that "have God" are usually very confused people

298 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:12:55am

re: #292 Occasional Reader

Ask not F HM the bell tolls...

You're such a Playboy, OR.

299 TooDamNice  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:12:57am

Did Darwin have issues fitting the human eye into his theory?

300 rightside  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:05am

re: #292 Occasional Reader

You're just Nuts!

301 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:07am

re: #286 jorline

Global warming.
/

Do you have Tune Meltdowns on your lunch menu?
Maybe Ward could send in a takeout order.

302 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:08am

re: #284 Occasional Reader

And those are the very worst kind of atheist!

You've gotta admit, the god-fearing ones are pretty rare.

303 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:09am

re: #281 LGoPs

It evolved into a bean.......

Hopefully, it's been relegated to the dustbean of History?

304 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:14am

re: #294 winston06

Help needed quick

Is Brussel Journal run by European neo-fascists?

Short answer, Yes.

305 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:19am

re: #287 MandyManners

Didn't Elizabeth Dole's campaign accuse her opponent that?

I didn't know that.

I just like the adjective "godless" attached to "atheist". As opposed to...
?

306 winston06  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:24am

re: #304 Honorary Yooper

thnx

307 tfc3rid  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:25am

OT:

Some folks are going through the stimulus piece of shit to see what has been put back in there...

Here are some lowlights from Michelle Malkin's site:
· $9 billion for school construction was added back in (originally cut by Nelson-Collins)
· $5 billion increase for the state fiscal stabilization fund (originally cut by Nelson-Collins), making it a grand total of $53.6 billion
· $2 billion for neighborhood stabilization program, money for groups like ACORN
· $1 billion added back for Prevention & Wellness Programs, including STD education
· Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research was added back in, leading Americans down the path towards healthcare rationing
· Money for highways and bridges was cut by $1 billion from the House-passed level

KEY POINTS:
· Tax relief to help middle class families and small businesses was sharply pared back in order to increase government spending. Public opinion over the last 4 weeks has shown that Americans overwhelming believe tax cuts, and not government spending, are a better way to stimulate the economy.
· Approximately $75 billion in true tax relief was CUT from the Nelson-Collins package. So, while the overall size of the package may have gotten slightly smaller, the spending actually increased.

308 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:45am

re: #280 Honorary Yooper

Somewhat along the lines of banning dihydro monoxide due to its ill effects on people?

Hey, if exhaling is now considered pollution, why not?

309 Unakite  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:51am

re: #197 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Basalt! Ha! That's not real - I need more evidence.
/


Basalt is what keeps the oceans from draining away.

310 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:52am
311 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:53am

re: #285 Omega3

I just don't think the government could do that as you said. I'd like to hear what you have to say about it. You seem to comment a lot about many things and esp this topic often, so hopefully you can take this chance to help enlighten one who needs to be ' spoon fed'. Then you have done your best for your zealotry.

You do understand that you are not fooling anyone, right? You do understand that?

312 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:55am

re: #291 Desert Dog

My guess is many of the "Free Tibet" people could not even find it on a map, or tell you anything the history of that area. Not that I think the Chinese are right for being in there, mind you.

I am guessing you could get quite a few takers with your "Free Pangea" movement, especially if you tell them about the suffering of the Pangeans under the evil Mesozoicans

Some would probably think it was an advertisement for a giveaway from an Italian bakery........

313 Mr Secul  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:14:03am

re: #49 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

One needn't look as far back as the fossil record to find transitional animals. The mudskipper, a fish that can breathe air & has rudimentary legs, strongly suggests an intermediary stage between fish & amphibians.

Its a ray finned fish, an Actinopterygian, our ancestors were most probably Sarcopterygians.

I've seen estimates of 340-370 different species of modern fish that breathe air. I think that fish are the most inventive air breathers. They use a fair variety of structures for air breathing. One species swallows air and it passes down the length of the intestinal tract and comes out the other end. The transit time is fairly long though. They don't use it for jet propulsion. :-)

The point is that air breathing in fishes is not uncommon and the conditions that favor air breathing are not unusual. Its generally shallow anoxic waters, warm tropical, stagnant, plenty of rotting vegetation.

314 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:14:07am

re: #303 SasquatchOnSteroids

Hopefully, it's been relegated to the dustbean of History?

He's just string-ing you along. It lives in Lima now.

315 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:14:20am

re: #299 TooDamNice

No.

316 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:14:22am

re: #299 TooDamNice

Did Darwin have issues fitting the human eye into his theory?

Short answer, No.

317 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:14:24am

re: #269 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Which would you rather be shot with?

Depends on the caliber of the Glock and the type of ammunition used. The Glock 21 and 30 use .45 ACP.

318 kahall  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:14:32am

I have became interested in this topic because of Charles posts here. Anyway I have been starting conversations with relatives and friends about evolution & ID/creationist. Apparently I have some loony friends and relatives who do not know what's real as in they do not think Evolution is real. I am more than a little shocked. Our schools have been F'd up on this for a while I guess as some of these people are older and should know better.

319 jaunte  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:14:34am

re: #299 TooDamNice

Did Darwin have issues fitting the human eye into his theory?

No problems after he had his printer re-set OTOOS in a arger point size.

320 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:14:43am

re: #298 Honorary Yooper

You're such a Playboy, OR.

Your post appeals to my Vanity... Fair cop, guv'nor.

321 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:14:45am

re: #305 Occasional Reader

I didn't know that.

I just like the adjective "godless" attached to "atheist". As opposed to...
?

I reckon people who use it like big sticks.

322 Throbert McGee  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:14:53am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

Assuming that you meant "ancestor" and not "descendant," I believe that Homo erectus* is the species usually considered to be "the one we evolved from."

* [SFX: the whoosh-thwack! of Sister Mary Elephant's ruler hitting your knuckles, you filthy-minded young hooligans]

323 jaunte  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:15:00am

l

324 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:15:07am

re: #298 Honorary Yooper

You're such a Playboy, OR.

He's so Cavalier.

325 jester6  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:15:17am

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Hugh Manatee would be the poorer for it.

Is this the Huge Manatee you are talking about?

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

326 jaunte  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:15:30am

re: #322 Throbert McGee

OW

327 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:15:31am

re: #239 Honorary Yooper

At least until the next earthquake.

It's possible to be against plate tectonics and simultaneously make sure my plates don't fall down and break.

328 Daffy Duck  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:15:32am

Good nose, Mandy.

329 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:15:42am

re: #307 tfc3rid

ANd FURTHER off topic - we are getting even a BIGGER SCREW up out asses, and they are not even giving us a little play money back to purchase our booze and drugs with. This is going to hurt.
/

330 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:16:09am

re: #289 yma o hyd

It would be fun - like making them sign petitions against the use of di-hydrogen-oxide ....

The first episode of The Man Show had Adam & Jimmy getting college moonbats to sign a petition to repeal the 19th Amendment & end the suffrage of women.

331 Unakite  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:16:17am

re: #205 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's tit for tat.

Tata's for now.

332 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:16:24am

re: #317 Dark_Falcon

Depends on the caliber of the Glock and the type of ammunition used. The Glock 21 and 30 use .45 ACP.

I'm toying with the idea of getting a Glock 30. Amazing little handgun.
It is supposedly one of the most accurate production Glocks, despite the subcompact size.

333 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:17:03am

re: #285 Omega3

I already told you once to read the archives. If your so fucking interested in my thoughts on this- you'll find them there.

334 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:17:20am
335 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:17:27am

re: #330 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The first episode of The Man Show had Adam & Jimmy getting college moonbats to sign a petition to repeal the 19th Amendment & end the suffrage of women.

Don't you think they've suffr'd enough?

336 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:17:32am

re: #327 debutaunt

It's possible to be against plate tectonics and simultaneously make sure my plates don't fall down and break.

If you're so blase about plate tectonics, you better stay away from taffy.

337 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:17:34am

re: #328 Daffy Duck

Good nose, Mandy.

Something just didn't seem right.

338 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:17:50am

re: #332 Occasional Reader

I'm toying with the idea of getting a Glock 30. Amazing little handgun.
It is supposedly one of the most accurate production Glocks, despite the subcompact size.

sthere anything in the stimulus package that will help people like me (lack of funds) to purchase a weapon?

339 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:18:05am

re: #307 tfc3rid

re: #329 Walter L. Newton

No kidding! And from tfc3rid's link, it looks like (at least part of) the STD money is back. WTF? It was funny to joke about "stimulus" when they removed that, but I ain't laughin' anymore.

340 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:18:50am

re: #250 CyanSnowHawk

It will be a highly visible example of just how CA has gone out of its way to drive business out of the state.

Saw an article saying personal income tax revenue plummeted from what CA took in this time last year. Same shit always happens and they never fucking learn.

341 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:19:01am

re: #322 Throbert McGee

I believe that Homo erectus* is the species usually considered to be "the one we evolved from."

Homo erectus later became extinct; history's most catastrophic case of erectus defunction.

342 AuntAcid  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:19:03am

re: #291 Desert Dog

I am guessing you could get quite a few takers with your "Free Pangea" movement, especially if you tell them about the suffering of the Pangeans under the evil Mesozoicans

Should Pangeans get the instate tuition rate?

343 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:19:05am

re: #338 Walter L. Newton

sthere anything in the stimulus package that will help people like me (lack of funds) to purchase a weapon?

You could knock over a liquor store to raise the money, oh wait, you'd need the gun for that......man, what a viscous cycle

344 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:19:42am

re: #338 Walter L. Newton

sthere anything in the stimulus package that will help people like me (lack of funds) to purchase a weapon?

If you can think of a way it can be used to re-sod the National Mall, you may have a chance.

345 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:19:53am

re: #338 Walter L. Newton

sthere anything in the stimulus package that will help people like me (lack of funds) to purchase a weapon?

If someone breaks into your place, just give 'em the bird.

/Maisey'll take care of your light work

346 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:20:02am

re: #270 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The proposed teaching of ID (or even creationism, if they got their fondest wish) in science classes is merely a stalking horse for something else. That something else is a benign theocracy.

/"benign" until you object

Not just that.
It leads to a denigration of all the wonderful work done by natural scientist over the last centuries. Not just in biology, but in palaeontology and geology.
Its a denigration of all that enthusiasm, love, interest hard work and curiosity which people - not just Darwin or Wallace - have spend their lives on.

I've just read that lovely book about the Natural History Museum, I linked it downstairs. There is such a wealth of information which we still need to learn about - and those effen people would have us stop, would have us just nod our heads and never ask questions!
If there's one thing which really gets me going, its being told to stop asking 'because we know better than you'.

Gaaaahhhhh!

347 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:20:15am

re: #276 MandyManners

It's interesting how brittle the IDeology (IDology?) seems to be. They acknowledge no middle ground. Every affirmation of evolutionary theory is felt as a direct attack on their particular approach to Genesis. Their sensitivity approaches Islamic levels.

348 Daffy Duck  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:20:16am

re: #338 Walter L. Newton

sthere anything in the stimulus package that will help people like me (lack of funds) to purchase a weapon?

If the need arises, you should count on the charitable donations from family and "friends" [ahem] - not the gubment. ;)

349 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:20:22am

re: #342 AuntAcid

I am guessing you could get quite a few takers with your "Free Pangea" movement, especially if you tell them about the suffering of the Pangeans under the evil Mesozoicans

Should Pangeans get the instate tuition rate?

It depends, are they from North Pangaea? Or, did they slip in from South Pangaea illegally?

350 Unakite  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:20:25am

re: #239 Honorary Yooper

At least until the next earthquake.

That's the turtles changing places.

351 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:20:32am

re: #296 MandyManners

Omega3

Karma: 5
Registered since: Jan 31, 2009 at 8:14 pm
(Logged in)

No. of comments posted: 30
No. of links posted: 0

and yet, when i post those tidbits, i get guavno.....

/smoke him

352 AuntAcid  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:20:40am

re: #332 Occasional Reader

I'm toying with the idea of getting a Glock 30. Amazing little handgun.
It is supposedly one of the most accurate production Glocks, despite the subcompact size.

Size does matter!

353 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:20:45am

re: #313 Mr Secul

And there are still walking catfish today.

354 albusteve  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:20:46am

re: #338 Walter L. Newton

sthere anything in the stimulus package that will help people like me (lack of funds) to purchase a weapon?

a good Wrist Rocket is affordable

355 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:20:52am

re: #284 Occasional Reader

And those are the very worst kind of atheist!

Is that a good level of atheism? Is it below ungodly?

356 tfc3rid  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:21:14am

re: #329 Walter L. Newton

ANd FURTHER off topic - we are getting even a BIGGER SCREW up out asses, and they are not even giving us a little play money back to purchase our booze and drugs with. This is going to hurt.
/

I think it's a test to see if the three GOP turncoats will keep their word to Dingy Harry Reid.

357 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:21:27am

re: #299 TooDamNice

Did Darwin have issues fitting the human eye into his theory?

no he did not.
there were simple "eye- like", light sensing organs in early invertebrates .

358 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:21:31am

re: #353 Kosh's Shadow

And there are still walking catfish today.

Now if I could just teach them to bread themselves and crawl up on to my griddle...

359 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:21:41am

Has anyone delivered a panegyric to Pangea?

360 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:21:49am

re: #340 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Saw an article saying personal income tax revenue plummeted from what CA took in this time last year. Same shit always happens and they never fucking learn.

Democrat controlled legislature and a RINO in the Governor's Mansion. (Although I think Arnold's problems stem more from his defeat at the hands of the unions.)

Thank god we don't have that at the Federal level.

/What do you mean it's worse there?

361 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:22:01am

re: #339 subsailor68

re: #329 Walter L. Newton

No kidding! And from tfc3rid's link, it looks like (at least part of) the STD money is back. WTF? It was funny to joke about "stimulus" when they removed that, but I ain't laughin' anymore.

I not laughing at all. I don't agree with this bill. But, if it's going to pass anyway, then it would be nice if it has some sort of tax relief or some provision to put some money into the private sector where it will be spent.

But, it's not happening. Even the "little" break is smaller. This bill has a target, and we are not any part of it.

362 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:22:30am

re: #285 Omega3

I just don't think the government could do that as you said. I'd like to hear what you have to say about it. You seem to comment a lot about many things and esp this topic often, so hopefully you can take this chance to help enlighten one who needs to be ' spoon fed'. Then you have done your best for your zealotry.

Really? The government has the schools teaching global warming as fact.

363 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:22:50am

re: #344 Occasional Reader

If you can think of a way it can be used to re-sod the National Mall, you may have a chance.

Although I hasten to add that with the "Stimulus Package", it's not just the National Mall that's gonna get sodded.

364 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:23:14am

re: #348 Daffy Duck

If the need arises, you should count on the charitable donations from family and "friends" [ahem] - not the gubment. ;)

I was hoping Goodwill, but they are fresh out of guns.

365 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:23:18am

re: #330 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Beer, that was probably some of the best television I can remember.

Please sign here to help end women suffraging.

366 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:23:19am

re: #352 AuntAcid

Size does matter!

HA!

367 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:23:24am

re: #359 Occasional Reader

Performance artists do, and for some reason they don't appreciate those of us who see it as stand-up comedy.

368 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:23:30am

OT, but related to the "stimulus".

The Post Office announced a hike in stamps from .42 to .44 in May. I can hear them now:

Postmaster General: "How are we doing financially."
Accountant: "Very poorly."
Postmaster General: "Really? Why?"
Accountant: "Well, anything really important is sent FedEx or UPS, and most people are paying their bills online, so all we've really got left is junk mail and credit card offers....and with the economy, well, we're losing those credit card things as well."
Postmaster General: "Well, I know exactly what to do - I'm a marketing genius."
Accountant: "What's that sir?"
Postmaster General: "We raise prices."

And these are the types of folk who want us to believe they can get us out of this recession.

Spit.

369 2by2  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:23:34am

re: #286 jorline

Global warming.
/

there goes another one .......

370 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:23:57am

re: #360 CyanSnowHawk

Democrat controlled legislature and a RINO in the Governor's Mansion. (Although I think Arnold's problems stem more from his defeat at the hands of the unions.)

Thank god we don't have that at the Federal level.

/What do you mean it's worse there?

Have been listening to the Roger Hedgecock show on my drive home. He's been doing a fairly good job documenting how cost overruns in services have been bankrupting us since no one is willing to cut off the illegals.

371 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:24:20am

re: #358 MrSilverDragon

Now if I could just teach them to bread themselves and crawl up on to my griddle...

If they wuz shmoos, the'd juss cook thesselves.
/Li'l Abner

372 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:24:29am

re: #299 TooDamNice

Did Darwin have issues fitting the human eye into his theory?

What sort of stupid question is that?
Have you seen when his book came out? Its 150 years ago.
Do you have any idea what sort of scietific insruments he had?
Do you know when DNA was discovered?
I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume that you're not very clued up about the hsitory of scientific discoveries.
For now.

373 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:25:02am

re: #364 Walter L. Newton

I was hoping Goodwill, but they are fresh out of guns.

You can get a perfectly decent new pump-action shotgun for just over $200. A good used one, even less. And you can probably get decent used handguns for that range.

374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:25:12am

re: #365 formercorpsman

Beer, that was probably some of the best television I can remember.

Please sign here to help end women suffraging.

I'm still laughing at the woman who eagerly signed the petition, decrying the ignorance in our country.

375 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:25:37am
376 lobo91  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:25:56am

re: #332 Occasional Reader

I'm toying with the idea of getting a Glock 30. Amazing little handgun.
It is supposedly one of the most accurate production Glocks, despite the subcompact size.

I've been pretty happy with my 35, but it's kind of big to carry. I have a 27 that I actually use as a carry gun. Not the most accurate long-range shooter ever...

Fortunately, chances are that if I ever need to use it, it'll be within 7 yards anyway.

377 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:25:58am

re: #361 Walter L. Newton

I not laughing at all. I don't agree with this bill. But, if it's going to pass anyway, then it would be nice if it has some sort of tax relief or some provision to put some money into the private sector where it will be spent.

But, it's not happening. Even the "little" break is smaller. This bill has a target, and we are not any part of it.

I couldn't agree more with everything you said. To quote Beck (not a favorite particularly), I've got blood spurting out of my eyes right now.

378 Throbert McGee  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:26:09am

re: #305 Occasional Reader

I just like the adjective "godless" attached to "atheist". As opposed to...

Cf. "mental telepathy" -- or Pvt. Beauchamp's now-immortal coinage "mindthoughts."

I'm very fond of "homosexuals and lesbians" -- do the people who say that also say "spouses and wives" or "siblings and sisters" or "horses and mares"?

379 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:26:12am

re: #373 Occasional Reader

Somebody once gave a link for a really nice Israeli pistol. Can't remember the name.

380 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:26:27am

re: #299 TooDamNice

and another one breaks cover:
TooDamNice

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:36 pm
No. of comments posted: 20
No. of links posted: 0

381 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:26:39am

re: #373 Occasional Reader

You can get a perfectly decent new pump-action shotgun for just over $200. A good used one, even less. And you can probably get decent used handguns for that range.

Yea, ok, I haven't had 200 extra dollars in one lump for almost 3 years. And if I did, you would see that money going for some new tires on my 10 year old car.

382 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:26:43am

re: #334 buzzsawmonkey

Many people who decry the concept of evolution and insist that instead they were fashioned in G-d's image do their best, by their conduct, to discredit He after Whom they claim to be modeled.

Too true!

383 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:26:57am

re: #370 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Have been listening to the Roger Hedgecock show on my drive home. He's been doing a fairly good job documenting how cost overruns in services have been bankrupting us since no one is willing to cut off the illegals.

I like Roger, but am working in an AM proof building during his show. He's always been on about the illegals. They are doing major damage and very few are looking.

384 jester6  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:27:10am

re: #332 Occasional Reader

I'm toying with the idea of getting a Glock 30. Amazing little handgun.
It is supposedly one of the most accurate production Glocks, despite the subcompact size.

Isn't it ironic that the Assault Weapon Ban's magazine capacity limit led gun manufactures to design high-quality large-caliber sub-compact handguns. I know there are exceptions, but before 1994 most subcompact semi-autos were junk and/or .380 or smaller. Had congress not limited the magazine capacity all those easy to conceal guns might never have been made.

385 Truck Monkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:27:34am

re: #368 subsailor68

OT, but related to the "stimulus".

The Post Office announced a hike in stamps from .42 to .44 in May. I can hear them now:

Postmaster General: "How are we doing financially."
Accountant: "Very poorly."
Postmaster General: "Really? Why?"
Accountant: "Well, anything really important is sent FedEx or UPS, and most people are paying their bills online, so all we've really got left is junk mail and credit card offers....and with the economy, well, we're losing those credit card things as well."
Postmaster General: "Well, I know exactly what to do - I'm a marketing genius."
Accountant: "What's that sir?"
Postmaster General: "We raise prices."

And these are the types of folk who want us to believe they can get us out of this recession.

Spit.


These are the people who want to take over your health care.

386 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:27:48am

re: #372 yma o hyd

What sort of stupid question is that?
Have you seen when his book came out? Its 150 years ago.
Do you have any idea what sort of scietific insruments he had?
Do you know when DNA was discovered?
I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume that you're not very clued up about the hsitory of scientific discoveries.
For now.

don't bother: check his stats, including karma

/another one for the grill

387 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:27:50am

re: #336 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If you're so blase about plate tectonics, you better stay away from taffy.

Taffy - I see!
Thats a racial slur against us Welsh!

:-)

388 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:28:00am

re: #359 Occasional Reader

Has anyone delivered a panegyric to Pangea?

I'm surprised we don't see more quips about panspermia on these threads.

389 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:28:06am

re: #376 lobo91

I've been pretty happy with my 35, but it's kind of big to carry. I have a 27 that I actually use as a carry gun. Not the most accurate long-range shooter ever...

Fortunately, chances are that if I ever need to use it, it'll be within 7 yards anyway.

Agreed. For a subcompact carry pistol, I'd maybe think about adding Crimson Trace grips, if you feel like stimulating the economy a little.

390 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:28:10am

re: #359 Occasional Reader

Has anyone delivered a panegyric to Pangea?

No idea, but then again, I've never been to Gondwanaland.

391 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:28:32am

re: #359 Occasional Reader

Has anyone delivered a panegyric to Pangea?

Yes, Pantagruel did in pantomime at the Pantages, but it was panned.

392 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:28:49am

re: #385 Truck Monkey

These are the people who want to take over your health care.

Sigh. You're so right. The nightmare scenario is a joint-venture between these guys and the DMV.

393 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:28:51am

re: #385 Truck Monkey

These are the people who want to take over your health care.

what could possibly go wrong with that?

394 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:28:53am

re: #374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yeah, it was the outright enthusiasm.

One of those moments where you laugh at first, and then it dawns on you, how stupid they really were.

395 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:28:54am

re: #380 redc1c4

and another one breaks cover:
TooDamNice

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:36 pm
No. of comments posted: 20
No. of links posted: 0

Oh, we knew about him from earlier threads.

396 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:29:11am

re: #379 godfrey

Somebody once gave a link for a really nice Israeli pistol. Can't remember the name.

"Jericho", now re-named the "Baby Eagle", IIRC. I've never fired one. Heard good things about them. (There's also the Desert Eagle, of course, a favorite of Hollywood, but to my mind, more of a special effect than a practical handgun.)

397 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:29:12am

re: #388 Sharmuta

I'm surprised we don't see more quips about panspermia on these threads.

Too many lizards giggle and it bothers the teachers.

398 lobo91  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:29:12am

re: #364 Walter L. Newton

I was hoping Goodwill, but they are fresh out of guns.

If you're seriously interested, Green Mountain Guns usually has pretty decent prices on used guns, locally.

399 Kragar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:29:31am

re: #383 CyanSnowHawk

I like Roger, but am working in an AM proof building during his show. He's always been on about the illegals. They are doing major damage and very few are looking.

Yeah, can't get him at work, just the 30 minutes or so on the drive home. Glad he's gotten a national show on if the afternoon now, I can't really take Savage in more than small doses.

400 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:29:40am

re: #380 redc1c4

And TooDamNice to be concerned with facts and logic.

401 Cato  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:29:41am

Cool. I wonder if there are any cases of species ending up flipping niches, like a wolf-sized land animal evolving into a whale while some sea based creature becoming a wolf-like creature?

402 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:30:15am

re: #372 yma o hyd

The "problem of the human eye" is a standard issue ID argument. It's a "tell" a dead give away who you're dealing with there.

403 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:30:16am

re: #377 subsailor68

I couldn't agree more with everything you said. To quote Beck (not a favorite particularly), I've got blood spurting out of my eyes right now.

And think about it. I understand this. What about all of the rabid Obama supporters who are just sitting there figuring that if Obama wants it, then it must help them.

And some where down the road, when the see no improvement in their situation, they are going to get a rude awakening.

(Beck - he's driving me crazy lately. I wish he would keep the "Ophrah" like emotional shit in the can. He's been over doing it.)

404 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:30:16am

re: #384 jester6

Isn't it ironic that the Assault Weapon Ban's magazine capacity limit led gun manufactures to design high-quality large-caliber sub-compact handguns. I know there are exceptions, but before 1994 most subcompact semi-autos were junk and/or .380 or smaller. Had congress not limited the magazine capacity all those easy to conceal guns might never have been made.

Yep. Thank you, Congressional Democrats! [zounds!]

405 Killer Tomato  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:30:20am

re: #401 Cato

Sure. Happens in politics all the time.

406 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:30:22am
Postmaster General: "We raise prices."

Ah, well, people tend to associate high price with quality. I can see it now: the US Post Office advertises overnight shipping for $100, guaranteed overnight! Damn! we all say, what a service that must be!

407 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:30:31am

re: #388 Sharmuta

I'm surprised we don't see more quips about panspermia on these threads.

Shit, we used to have a guy claiming that back when I was posting on talk.origins in the mid-1990s. Usually he went for the ad hominem attack angle.

408 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:30:33am

re: #392 subsailor68

Sigh. You're so right. The nightmare scenario is a joint-venture between these guys and the DMV.

the care and compassion of the IRS, the speed and efficiency of the USPS, and the cost effectiveness of the DOD, all staffed by affirmative action hires.

409 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:30:42am

re: #386 redc1c4

don't bother: check his stats, including karma

/another one for the grill

Gah.
Have just had me dinner.

More troll buttocks for the hungry Lizards!

410 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:30:43am

Off to a meeting. Later.

411 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:30:43am

re: #387 yma o hyd

Taffy - I see!
Thats a racial slur against us Welsh!

:-)

Uh oh ... 0:

Color me ignorant, yma. I don't get it.

412 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:30:45am

re: #388 Sharmuta

I'm surprised we don't see more quips about panspermia on these threads.

*snicker*

413 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:31:09am

re: #396 Occasional Reader

No, wasn't that one. I'll rummage around.

414 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:31:35am

re: #398 lobo91

If you're seriously interested, Green Mountain Guns usually has pretty decent prices on used guns, locally.

Ssshhhh, they're going to find us. Don't mention geographical locations here :)

415 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:31:41am

re: #351 redc1c4

and yet, when i post those tidbits, i get guavno.....

/smoke him

Is that Green Smoke? 'Cause the logic arty is already beating on him!

416 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:31:51am

re: #406 godfrey

Ah, well, people tend to associate high price with quality. I can see it now: the US Post Office advertises overnight shipping for $100, guaranteed overnight! Damn! we all say, what a service that must be!

The post office is considering shutting down on Tuesdays.

417 gonecamping  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:32:08am

I heard on the radio this morning that an elephant was born last month (on inauguration eve) and named Barack in honor of the Prez. I thought it was a joke (after all, Obama has been called Dumbo because of his ears), until I saw the press release.

[Link: www.elephantcenter.com...]

Now if only we could get the other Barack to join Barnum and Bailey he wouldn't have to turn the White House into his own circus.

418 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:32:16am

re: #416 MandyManners

The post office is considering shutting down on Tuesdays.

How will we be able to tell?

419 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:32:22am

re: #403 Walter L. Newton

(Beck - he's driving me crazy lately. I wish he would keep the "Ophrah" like emotional shit in the can. He's been over doing it.)

Yeah, between the Oprah-crap and the end-days are coming I just want to smack him.

420 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:32:46am

re: #416 MandyManners

The post office is considering shutting down on Tuesdays.

Big question: Would we even notice?

421 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:32:47am

re: #401 Cato

Cool. I wonder if there are any cases of species ending up flipping niches, like a wolf-sized land animal evolving into a whale while some sea based creature becoming a wolf-like creature?

You don't know much about whale evolution, huh?

422 lobo91  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:32:53am

re: #396 Occasional Reader

"Jericho", now re-named the "Baby Eagle", IIRC. I've never fired one. Heard good things about them. (There's also the Desert Eagle, of course, a favorite of Hollywood, but to my mind, more of a special effect than a practical handgun.)

I fired a .357 Desert Eagle once. Interesting gun. Not practical for anything, but it sure shot nice. Had about the same recoil as my wife's Ruger Mark II .22LR.

423 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:33:04am
424 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:33:28am

re: #378 Throbert McGee

Cf. "mental telepathy" -- or Pvt. Beauchamp's now-immortal coinage "mindthoughts."

well, I've met people who apparently think with the other end of their anatomy

I'm very fond of "homosexuals and lesbians" -- do the people who say that also say "spouses and wives" or "siblings and sisters" or "horses and mares"?

I'm fond of Cretans and Lesbians. In fact all the Greek islands are very nice.

425 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:33:36am

re: #408 redc1c4

the care and compassion of the IRS, the speed and efficiency of the USPS, and the cost effectiveness of the DOD, all staffed by affirmative action hires.

Bingo!

426 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:33:42am

re: #410 Occasional Reader

Off to a meeting. Later.

Right.... I crack a sperm joke and you have a "meeting".

427 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:33:48am

OT: the only "personal stimulus" in the monstrosity is the $400 tax credit for those who didn't get a check last year right?

i've got someone in another class that's talking about the $500 check Juggys going to be giving her........

428 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:33:53am

re: #418 Walter L. Newton

How will we be able to tell?

The bars will be full

429 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:34:40am

re: #417 gonecamping

I heard on the radio this morning that an elephant was born last month (on inauguration eve) and named Barack in honor of the Prez. I thought it was a joke (after all, Obama has been called Dumbo because of his ears), until I saw the press release.

[Link: www.elephantcenter.com...]

Now if only we could get the other Barack to join Barnum and Bailey he wouldn't have to turn the White House into his own circus.

Speaking of a couple of clowns

Notice even the fake Abe doesn't want to shake his hand.

430 A.W.  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:34:41am

I have to say, this from IMAO was pretty funny.

Today is the 200th birthday of Charles Darwin, father of the unifying theory of life sciences and the cause of about half the posts at Little Green Footballs lately (seriously, did some creationist run over Charles Johnson’s dog or something?).

So, Charles, if your ears are tingling...

For IMAO's whole take, click on my name to follow the link.

431 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:34:55am

re: #416 MandyManners

The post office is considering shutting down on Tuesdays.

as opposed to the other 5 days when they don't do much of anything?

432 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:35:11am

re: #418 Walter L. Newton

How will we be able to tell?

You will have to make due with the junk mail from Monday before the junk mail from Wednesday arrives.

433 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:35:12am

re: #402 Kenneth

The "problem of the human eye" is a standard issue ID argument. It's a "tell" a dead give away who you're dealing with there.

Thing is - most juicy ID threads take place when I'm fast asleep, so certain trolls are unknown to me ...

Have just been reading about trilobite eyes and about geological timescales.
Didya know that trilobites were around for over three hundred million years?

434 gonecamping  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:35:13am

The IRS is hiring, at least in Central Florida (which coincidentally voted Republican).

Seems to me they need more IRS agents around DC to scrutinize the House and Senate's returns.

435 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:35:29am

re: #423 Iron Fist

Yep, with the emphasis on "hi-cap". IIRC, there's a bill floating around somewhere that proposes to limit mag capacity to 10 rounds max. (Thus making my Glock 19 illegal from the get-go.)

436 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:35:57am

re: #403 Walter L. Newton

And think about it. I understand this. What about all of the rabid Obama supporters who are just sitting there figuring that if Obama wants it, then it must help them.

And some where down the road, when the see no improvement in their situation, they are going to get a rude awakening.

(Beck - he's driving me crazy lately. I wish he would keep the "Ophrah" like emotional shit in the can. He's been over doing it.)

Walter, I would tend to agree with you, but if this was going to happen, then every big city in this country should have had such an epiphany 20 years ago.

The vast majority of people who vote for the Obamas of the world are looking for salvation. Not reality.

They will never, ever, draw the distinction, once you decide to penalize private business for being successful, you have shot yourself in the foot.

Detroit springs to mind.

437 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:35:59am

re: #433 yma o hyd

Didya know that trilobites were around for over three hundred million years?

Slackers.

438 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:36:01am

re: #426 Sharmuta

Right.... I crack a sperm joke and you have a "meeting".

Would you say his hidden agenda just fallopian?

439 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:36:05am

re: #415 Dark_Falcon

Is that Green Smoke? 'Cause the logic arty is already beating on him!

battery fire, closed sheaf, WP and VT in effect.

440 Mr Secul  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:36:28am

re: #401 Cato

Cool. I wonder if there are any cases of species ending up flipping niches, like a wolf-sized land animal evolving into a whale while some sea based creature becoming a wolf-like creature?

Wolves are descended from fishes.

441 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:36:41am

re: #411 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"Taffy" is an ethnic slur for Welsh, like "Mics" for Irish. I have no idea how it originated.

442 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:37:14am

OT
Legal ruckus over Kindle 2's text-to-speech feature.

443 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:37:17am

re: #441 Kenneth

"Taffy" is an ethnic slur for Welsh, like "Mics" for Irish. I have no idea how it originated.

Probably those Limeys

444 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:37:18am

re: #440 Mr Secul

Wolves are descended from fishes.

I thought loaves were descended from fishes.

:-)

445 gonecamping  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:37:25am

re: #429 SasquatchOnSteroids
Is Couric about to swoon?

446 Killer Tomato  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:37:29am

re: #430 A.W.

I have to say, this from IMAO was pretty funny.

Today is the 200th birthday of Charles Darwin, father of the unifying theory of life sciences and the cause of about half the posts at Little Green Footballs lately (seriously, did some creationist run over Charles Johnson’s dog or something?).


Well that's just ridiculous. Charles Darwin's birthday is most assuredly not the cause of about half the posts here.
And it's not the cause of half the threads, either.
:-p

447 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:37:45am
448 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:37:57am

re: #441 Kenneth

"Taffy" is an ethnic slur for Welsh, like "Mics" for Irish. I have no idea how it originated.

I'll be darned! I didn't know that.

449 Truck Monkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:38:05am

re: #418 Walter L. Newton

How will we be able to tell?

I wouldn't get my weekly Washington Post and New York Times special subscription offers!

450 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:38:43am

re: #449 Truck Monkey

I wouldn't get my weekly Washington Post and New York Times special subscription offers!

Why have you been stealing them from your neighbor?

451 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:38:55am

re: #439 redc1c4

battery fire, closed sheaf, WP and VT in effect.

WP = White Phosphorus but what does VT stand for?

452 lobo91  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:39:12am

re: #447 Iron Fist

The Second Amendment is a right. If you can't afford to exercise it, then you are being oppressed. There should be a revenue-neutral incentive to offset the purchase small arms, not to exceed .50 caliber. Maybe we throw in letting them ban pissant guns, as long as they'll do a swap of a .25 to get an M-240 or M-249.

It'd be hard, but I could let go of a Raven .25 for that SAW.

I'll take a SAW if there's some sort of welfare program to provide subsidized ammo to feed it...

453 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:39:24am

re: #411 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Uh oh ... 0:

Color me ignorant, yma. I don't get it.

Shakespeare started it ...
Its an English derogatory name for the Welsh, probably be cause the nearest river to England is the Taff, on which Cardiff is situated.

We hates it!

454 Mr Secul  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:39:29am

re: #441 Kenneth

"Taffy" is an ethnic slur for Welsh, like "Mics" for Irish. I have no idea how it originated.

Try this.

455 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:39:35am

re: #442 debutaunt

The world isn't noisy enough for me. I can't wait to hear romance novel narration added to the prevailing din.

456 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:39:41am

OT: i see the market is really responding well to all the good news from DC.....

all praise & glory to our beloved ear leader for his brilliant economic policies.

457 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:39:46am

Does anybody have the creationist/fascist meltdown total for the day so far?

458 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:40:13am

Gosh - the girl I talk to at my car insurance agency talks like she's on a "seen on TV" ad. I make my payments by phone every month and the sugar and spice voice is enough to make me want to jump right through the phone and...

Who in heaven's name thinks that this "style" is anything but 100 percent phony sounding?

459 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:40:18am

re: #453 yma o hyd

Shakespeare started it ...
Its an English derogatory name for the Welsh, probably be cause the nearest river to England is the Taff, on which Cardiff is situated.

We hates it!

Where does the word "git" come from?

460 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:40:24am

re: #433 yma o hyd

Yup. When I was a kid we used to find tons of trilobites & other fossils along this river bank near where I grew up in southwestern Ontario. Loads of fun.

I've noticed the "eye problem" argument several times. Clearly, some folks have been reading their ID tracts.

461 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:40:36am

Finding a transitional fossil only makes the problem worse don't ya know.

Species A to Species X, they those wascally scientist say are related, but they have nothing in between to prove it!

So now we have Species M, a transitional fossil or so it's claimed.

HAH! Instead of one gap A-X they now have two gaps two fill A-M and M-X!

hahahahaha! Doesn't prove a thing!

///////////////////////////////////////////

462 godfrey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:40:45am

re: #460 Kenneth

Doubtless a Behe meme.

463 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:40:56am

How many creationists can dance on the head of a pin? /
We haven't evolved enough to find out the number.

How many evolutionists can dance on the head of a pin? /
Who created the pin?

/equal opportunity offender

464 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:40:58am

re: #457 Killgore Trout

Does anybody have the creationist/fascist meltdown total for the day so far?

I've not seen a one. Even the suspected trolls have been nice.

465 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:41:13am

re: #453 yma o hyd

We hates it!

*gulp*
*crawls off slowly, closes door quietly ... runs like hell!*

:D

466 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:41:20am

re: #457 Killgore Trout

Does anybody have the creationist/fascist meltdown total for the day so far?

Charles was counting earlier. There were four in the Darwin B-Day thread that got the stick. No one here yet. Emphasis on yet.

467 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:41:29am

re: #449 Truck Monkey

I wouldn't get my weekly Washington Post and New York Times special subscription offers!

just remember to mail back the postage paid envelopes with all the junk you can stuff in them....

that way they pay both ways. %-)

468 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:41:39am

re: #458 Walter L. Newton

Gosh - the girl I talk to at my car insurance agency talks like she's on a "seen on TV" ad. I make my payments by phone every month and the sugar and spice voice is enough to make me want to jump right through the phone and...

Who in heaven's name thinks that this "style" is anything but 100 percent phony sounding?

Would you prefer she growl, cuss and belch?

469 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:41:43am

re: #457 Killgore Trout

Does anybody have the creationist/fascist meltdown total for the day so far?

Lots of anti-Wales snark.

470 Griffon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:41:48am

OT - Joke

What happens when a fly falls into a coffee cup?

The Italian - throws the cup and walks away in a fit of rage.

The Frenchman - takes out the fly, and drinks the coffee.

The Chinese - eats the fly and throws away the coffee.

The Israeli - sells the coffee to the Frenchman, the fly to the Chinese, buys himself a new cup of coffee and uses the extra money to invent a device that prevents flies from falling into coffee.

The Palestinian - blames the Israeli for the fly falling into his coffee, protests the act of aggression to the UN, takes a loan from the European Union for a new cup of coffee, uses the money to purchase explosives and then blows up the coffee house where the Italian, the Frenchman, and the Chinese, are trying to explain to the Israeli why he should give away his cup of coffee to the Palestinian.

471 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:41:50am

re: #437 godfrey

Didya know that trilobites were around for over three hundred million years?

Slackers.

Coming from a human who's only been around for about 200,000 years, thats a bit rich!

:-))

472 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:41:54am

re: #451 Dark_Falcon

WP = White Phosphorus but what does VT stand for?

Variable Timing. See the round to explode a specific distance into, at or above ground.

473 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:42:03am

re: #459 MandyManners

Where does the word "git" come from?

[Link: www.nationmaster.com...]

474 lostlakehiker  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:42:12am

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

I don't know either. Wait around a few hundred thousand years and maybe we'll see.

Homo spaciens?

Homo cyborgiens?

Nothing? We wipe ourselves out or get whacked by an asteroid?

Homo Smartypantsiens? (Lineal descendants, no branching off or anything, but just comfortably smarter than we are for some reason that they can see but we can't?)

Homo Dumbassiens? (Lineal descendants, no branching off or anything, but self-domestication or something has dumbed us down?)

This sort of future is unknowable.

475 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:42:20am

re: #451 Dark_Falcon

WP = White Phosphorus but what does VT stand for?

variable time: air burst high explosive..... very hard on shrapnel sensitive targets.

476 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:42:32am

re: #448 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ah, here it is...

Taffy was a Welshman,
Taffy was a thief;
Taffy came to my house
And stole a piece of beef.

I went to Taffy's house,
Taffy was not home;
Taffy came to my house
And stole a marrow bone.

I went to Taffy's house,
Taffy was not in;
Taffy came to my house
And stole a silver pin.

I went to Taffy's house,
Taffy was in bed;
I took up a poker
And threw it at his head.

That'll larn him! Taffy had it coming.

477 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:42:49am

re: #457 Killgore Trout

Does anybody have the creationist/fascist meltdown total for the day so far?

I saw Charles count up to "four" on the Darwin b'day thread.
Don't know if there was another past that one.

478 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:42:53am

re: #467 redc1c4

just remember to mail back the postage paid envelopes with all the junk you can stuff in them....

that way they pay both ways. %-)

I've heard of doing that with political campaigns.

*innocent look*

479 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:42:59am

re: #468 MandyManners

Does it have to be in that order?

480 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:43:03am

re: #443 Desert Dog

Probably those Limeys

Abso-effen-lutely!

Blydi Saesneg!

481 jaunte  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:43:20am

re: #447 Iron Fist

Do you have any thoughts on the Walther P88 compact or the Walther PPS (9mm) for a woman's concealed carry piece? I'm going to take my wife gun-shopping for Valentine's day.

482 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:43:31am

re: #447 Iron Fist

The Second Amendment is a right. If you can't afford to exercise it, then you are being oppressed. There should be a revenue-neutral incentive to offset the purchase small arms, not to exceed .50 caliber. Maybe we throw in letting them ban pissant guns, as long as they'll do a swap of a .25 to get an M-240 or M-249.

It'd be hard, but I could let go of a Raven .25 for that SAW.

i'll take the 240.

/7.62x51

483 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:43:51am

re: #466 Honorary Yooper

We've had about 2-3 meltdowns on the Spencer thread so we're looking at about 1/2 dozen at it's not even noon on the left coast.

484 BlueCanuck  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:43:53am

re: #466 Honorary Yooper

Charles was counting earlier. There were four in the Darwin B-Day thread that got the stick. No one here yet. Emphasis on yet.

Just think, everytime we have a creationist meltdown it opens up space in the database for another lizard. At this rate we will soon be troll free.

/well until the next open registration

485 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:43:57am

re: #475 redc1c4

variable time: air burst high explosive..... very hard on shrapnel sensitive targets.

Thank you. I have to head to work now, have fun!

486 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:44:24am

re: #475 redc1c4

variable time: air burst high explosive..... very hard on shrapnel sensitive targets.

There's an new round, fined, that the targeting (too a small degree) and the timing can be readjusted after firing.

487 Mr Secul  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:45:05am

re: #453 yma o hyd

Shakespeare started it ...
Its an English derogatory name for the Welsh, probably be cause the nearest river to England is the Taff, on which Cardiff is situated.

We hates it!

Did you know that Gollum is Welsh? I have a CD with Tolkien reading from The Hobbit and LOTR.

Tooks are Scots, Sam Gamgee sounded west country and Gollum was definitely Welsh.

488 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:45:09am

re: #473 MrSilverDragon

[Link: www.nationmaster.com...]

Thanks! It's between a twit and a wanker.

489 Truck Monkey  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:45:16am

re: #437 godfrey

Didya know that trilobites were around for over three hundred million years?

Slackers.

They got nuthin' on Helen Thomas!

490 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:45:21am

re: #483 Killgore Trout

We've had about 2-3 meltdowns on the Spencer thread so we're looking at about 1/2 dozen at it's not even noon on the left coast.

Yeah, I read that thread. It's almost like there was a full moon out. I took note that someone had several sockies and was using a couple in said thread.

491 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:45:39am

re: #459 MandyManners

Where does the word "git" come from?

here!

(I didn't know that either!)

492 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:45:44am

re: #459 MandyManners

A southern variant of Scottish get "illegitimate child, brat," related to beget.

Usage notes:
Git' is usually used as an insult, more severe than twit but less severe than a true profanity like wanker or arsehole, and may often be used affectionately between friends. 'Get' can also be used, with a subtle change of meaning. 'You cheeky get!' is slightly less harsh than 'You cheeky git!'.

'Git' is frequently used in conjunction with another word to achieve a more specific meaning. For instance a "smarmy git" refers to a person of a slimy, ingratiating disposition; a "jammy git" would be a person with undeserved luck. The phrase "grumpy old git", denoting a cantankerous old man, is used with particular frequency.

493 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:45:59am

re: #479 formercorpsman

Does it have to be in that order?

No. She'd get bonus points for creativity.

494 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:46:06am
495 Cato  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:46:22am

re: #421 Sharmuta

Only what I saw in Morphed.

496 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:46:42am

re: #489 Truck Monkey

They got nuthin' on Helen Thomas!

THANKS!
*cleans lunch off screen and keyboard*
ROFLMAO!

497 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:46:59am

re: #486 JCM

There's an new round, fined, that the targeting (too a small degree) and the timing can be readjusted after firing.

undoubtedly they will cancel funding for that.

/experienced

498 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:47:13am

re: #465 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*gulp*
*crawls off slowly, closes door quietly ... runs like hell!*

:D

Aww - don't do that!
How were you to know about the deep-seated, brooding enmity between the various tribes which make up the UK!

499 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:47:21am

Thanks, yma and Kenneth!

500 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:47:45am

Oooh. A thread on the MFM.

501 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:48:18am

re: #499 MandyManners

Always happy to help you properly insult trolls and moonbats.

502 Daffy Duck  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:48:24am

re: #494 Iron Fist

Seen this BS yet?

[Link: www.ammunitionaccountability.com...]

503 DeafDog  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:48:28am

re: #427 redc1c4

OT: the only "personal stimulus" in the monstrosity is the $400 tax credit for those who didn't get a check last year right?

i've got someone in another class that's talking about the $500 check Juggys going to be giving her........

Today being Darwin's Birthday and all, someone should be drawing the parallel between capitalism being the economic Darwinism.

Only if society promotes productive bhavior and dis-incents unproductive behavior will the economy continue to evolve.

What is emerging now is the opposite. Maybe we should call it economic "intelligent design" :-)

504 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:48:35am

re: #458 Walter L. Newton

Gosh - the girl I talk to at my car insurance agency talks like she's on a "seen on TV" ad. I make my payments by phone every month and the sugar and spice voice is enough to make me want to jump right through the phone and...

Who in heaven's name thinks that this "style" is anything but 100 percent phony sounding?

Not always. Once knew a gal whose character, looks and voice fit perfectly. (A sweet voice, a looker, and a Grade A, bluechip, human being.) A mutual acquaintance told me to check out the message she'd put on her home voicemail machine. It was a hoot. She was trying so hard to sound un-sexy ....!

505 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:48:40am

re: #423 Iron Fist

I didn't know this until recently, but Glock also makes a gun in .45 GAP. It is a .45 bullet with a slightly shorter (and, thus, less powerful) case. I don't really understand the point of it, though. If you consider .45 recoil to be too much you're a pussy, slightly less recoil isn't going to help you much. It isn't a high-velocity round like a .357 Sig. It's just kind of there because, kind of like a 10mm or a .40 S&W (and there are Glocks in those calibers, too).

Now is the time to get any high-cap pistol that you think you'd want. Once Obama gets through selling us out to Iran and the Mohammedans the next thing out of the gate may very well be gun control.

They'll let Iran get nukes, but take away our guns.

506 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #494 Iron Fist

Yeah, I haven't seen that exact bill, but there are several Gun Control bills floating around out there. There's one that would require a license to own any gun whatsoever, subject to "approval" by faceless bureaucrats who would be under no obligation to let anybody pass. It's not expected to go anywhere, but its very existence demonstrates where some of the Democrats would like to go with gun control.

Yep, that one you're talking about is this.

507 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:48:56am

re: #494 Iron Fist

Yeah, I haven't seen that exact bill, but there are several Gun Control bills floating around out there. There's one that would require a license to own any gun whatsoever, subject to "approval" by faceless bureaucrats who would be under no obligation to let anybody pass. It's not expected to go anywhere, but its very existence demonstrates where some of the Democrats would like to go with gun control.

H.R 45 requires all firearms as determined by the AG to be federally registered.
The language is squishy, Holder could ignore single shot .22, but anything with a mag be registered or simply everything.

508 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:49:02am

re: #487 Mr Secul

Did you know that Gollum is Welsh? I have a CD with Tolkien reading from The Hobbit and LOTR.

Tooks are Scots, Sam Gamgee sounded west country and Gollum was definitely Welsh.

That figures, Tolkien being English ...

509 Lee Coller  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:51:22am

re: #332 Occasional Reader

I'm toying with the idea of getting a Glock 30. Amazing little handgun.
It is supposedly one of the most accurate production Glocks, despite the subcompact size.

I have one of those, I like it. The biggest complaint about the 45ACP Glocks is the size of the grip, a double-stack plastic magazine with plastic grip results in requiring a large hand to hold it. The other complaint is that the grip is so short you can pinch yourself inserting the magazine.

I did read an account once of a shooting (self defense) involving a glock 30 where the victim (that's the one did the shooting for all you liberals out there) used 240gr hollow points and the bullets went right through the crook. It turns out with the three inch barrel the muzzle velocity wasn't high enough to cause the bullet to mushroom. Use 185gr bullets instead. I think this happened about 10 years ago near San Francisco at a range, I don't have a link. As I recall, the crook rented a gun, then held the place up with it, and was escorting the staff out back to apparently get rid of the witnesses.

510 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:51:27am

re: #494 Iron Fist
Yoo , Fist!
HR 45 is the bill ya'll are talking about!
Go to the NRA web site and see alot more they
would like to screw up....
The Lawyers are going to be very busy no matter how
it plays out!
[deleted]

By the way ..My new 22-250 should be here tomm...

511 Lee Coller  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:53:19am

re: #423 Iron Fist

I didn't know this until recently, but Glock also makes a gun in .45 GAP. It is a .45 bullet with a slightly shorter (and, thus, less powerful) case. I don't really understand the point of it, though. If you consider .45 recoil to be too much you're a pussy, slightly less recoil isn't going to help you much. It isn't a high-velocity round like a .357 Sig. It's just kind of there because, kind of like a 10mm or a .40 S&W (and there are Glocks in those calibers, too).

Now is the time to get any high-cap pistol that you think you'd want. Once Obama gets through selling us out to Iran and the Mohammedans the next thing out of the gate may very well be gun control.

The point is that the slightly shorter GAP (which has the same amount of powder as a 45ACP) allows the grip to be slightly smaller. Supposedly the only difference between the two is the length of the cartridge, not the power.

512 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:56:27am

re: #240 Kosh's Shadow

I say "Reunite Pangea!"
/

Eventually it will be reunited

513 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:57:52am

re: #511 Lee Coller

The point is that the slightly shorter GAP (which has the same amount of powder as a 45ACP) allows the grip to be slightly smaller. Supposedly the only difference between the two is the length of the cartridge, not the power.

Personally, I don't have any problem with the grip on a Glock 30, even though I don't have big hands. I understand a lot of people don't like the grip, though.

514 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:57:55am

re: #512 ArchangelMichael

Eventually it will be reunited

And Helen Thomas at a press conference will ask the president why he didn't stop it.

515 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:58:52am

re: #513 Occasional Reader

Personally, I don't have any problem with the grip on a Glock 30, even though I don't have big hands. I understand a lot of people don't like the grip, though.

That's the only reason I haven't gotten a Glock, the grip. It's not a ding on Glock, just my hands.

516 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:59:12am

(And yes, it was a short meeting. But I'm kinda busy now, so sporadic posting.)

517 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:59:30am

re: #513 Occasional Reader
Several Manufactures offer grip inserts of diff sizes and they come with the gun.
Walther comes to mind.

518 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:59:49am

re: #515 JCM

That's the only reason I haven't gotten a Glock, the grip. It's not a ding on Glock, just my hands.

So basically you're saying you're not man enough for a Glock?

519 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:00:55pm

Ah, Glock also just came out with the Glock 30SF... stand for Short Frame. They shave a few millimeters off the frame length (somehow), to make it more comfortable for smaller hands. I haven't seen one yet.

520 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:01:01pm
521 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:01:18pm

re: #516 Occasional Reader

(And yes, it was a short meeting. But I'm kinda busy now, so sporadic posting.)

Sure..... I believe you.

522 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:02:52pm

re: #518 Occasional Reader

So basically you're saying you're not man enough for a Glock?

That Tears it......
Whips it out!

;-P

523 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:03:16pm

re: #519 Occasional Reader

Ah, Glock also just came out with the Glock 30SF... stand for Short Frame. They shave a few millimeters off the frame length (somehow), to make it more comfortable for smaller hands. I haven't seen one yet.

Have to check that out.....

524 faraway  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:06:05pm

H. erectus is an important hominin because it is believed to have been the first to leave Africa. However, some scholars believe that H. erectus is not the direct ancestor of modern H. sapiens.

[Link: www.nationmaster.com...]

525 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:07:26pm

re: #524 faraway

H. erectus is an important hominin because it is believed to have been the first to leave Africa. However, some scholars believe that H. erectus is not the direct ancestor of modern H. sapiens.

[Link: www.nationmaster.com...]

Was H. erectus the first to develop stimulus packages?

526 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:10:01pm

re: #4 MrSilverDragon

I just figured it all out... Evolution truly was an intelligent design!

(hides)

Not according to my dentist, where I have been this morning.

527 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:12:09pm

re: #294 winston06

Help needed quick

Is Brussel Journal run by European neo-fascists?

YES!

528 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:13:36pm

re: #525 JCM

Was H. erectus the first to develop stimulus packages?

Could be. Depends what kind of stimulus you are talking about.

(ouch)

529 badger1970  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:14:35pm

........Ah, never mind.

530 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:14:50pm
531 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:15:10pm

re: #525 JCM

Was H. erectus the first to develop stimulus packages?

No, that was H. assholeus.

532 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:18:12pm
533 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:19:32pm

re: #528 Naso Tang

Could be. Depends what kind of stimulus you are talking about.

(ouch)

You mean there's more than one kind?

*looks around innocently*

534 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:21:56pm

re: #530 Iron Fist

Nobody local had any ammo stock, so I spent last Saturday looking around and calling. Found a vendor with Winchester 7.62 NATO in stock and snapped up 500 rds. The shelves are pretty bare of ARs and anything with a full capacity mag.

535 A.W.  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:23:30pm

re: #341 Occasional Reader

Homo erectus later became extinct; history's most catastrophic case of erectus defunction.

Homo erectus is not extinct. One of them is married to the Secretary of State and served as president from 1992-2000.

536 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:25:24pm
537 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:26:00pm

re: #524 faraway

Some scholars. And no they aren't the direct ancestor as in the one right before us anyway. The most likey direct ancestor to Homo sapiens as far as I know is Homo rhodesiensis, but I'm not an expert.

538 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:26:18pm

re: #421 Sharmuta

e: #401 Cato

Cool. I wonder if there are any cases of species ending up flipping niches, like a wolf-sized land animal evolving into a whale while some sea based creature becoming a wolf-like creature?

You don't know much about whale evolution, huh?

Fixed

539 TooDamNice  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:27:20pm

re: #380 redc1c4

and another one breaks cover:
TooDamNice

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:36 pm
No. of comments posted: 20
No. of links posted: 0

LOL. Another WHAT breaks cover? I simply asked a question.

540 jaunte  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:29:39pm

re: #532 Iron Fist

Thanks for the info. My wife likes the Kahr, but wanted to look around. She really loves the S&W TRR8, but it's kind of big for carry.

541 JCM  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:31:48pm

re: #539 TooDamNice

LOL. Another WHAT breaks cover? I simply asked a question.

The eye was covered in detail on an entire thread. No Darwin did not specifically address that subject. But Science has.

You've been registered a year and a half and have 20 posts. You pop in and post a question which has been thoroughly covered if you'd done your homework.

That is a pattern we see over, and over and over again.

Use the search function, read all the threads on the subject. Then come back.

542 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:32:26pm

re: #539 TooDamNice

LOL. Another WHAT breaks cover? I simply asked a question.

But it was a stupid question, that is what.

543 Karl Rove's Brain  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:32:37pm

Medved is interviewing DI spokesman on this Darwin day.

544 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:35:18pm
545 stuiec  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:37:38pm

re: #299 TooDamNice

Did Darwin have issues fitting the human eye into his theory?

If I recall correctly from when I read Origin of Species, no, he had no trouble at all. I may be confounding that with later work, though, work that clearly shows how optical organs evolved from the most primitive of photoreceptor structures in invertebrates.

Note, please, that the eyes of octopus, squid and nautiluses are also highly evolved and comparable to human eyes, and these are mollusks.

546 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:40:14pm
547 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:40:26pm

re: #536 Iron Fist

They aren't concerned with crime. They are concerned with Gun Control. Kennedy actually said it almost that bluntly during the hearings on the Brady Bill back in the early '90s.

Geesh.

If you happen across the link for that quote, please post it. Pretty damning.

548 stuiec  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:41:20pm

At some point, humans will have the technology to parse an organism's DNA and recapitulate the organism in a computer simulation. At that point, it will be possible to trace evolution backward in a stepwise fashion by editing the DNA sequence in the computer to strip away assumed layers of mutation (using differences in the genomes of comparable creatures as a guide to the types and recency of mutations). It should at that point be possible to "see" in the simulations what forms the common ancestors and transitional species took.

549 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:43:45pm
550 TooDamNice  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:46:36pm

re: #541 JCM

My mistake. I did not search. I guess I should stick to the political threads. ;-) Believe it or not I am not some troll looking to cause trouble.

On a different subject...

I am a new gun owner. I bought a Springfield Armory 1911-A1 a few months ago. I love the gun but it is expensive to shoot. What is a good second handgun? I thought about a .22, but I am afraid that it is too different from my 1911 and I will get to comfortable with it and I will lose my skill shooting the 1911.

551 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:46:42pm

re: #549 Iron Fist

S&W has a new series out called the Night Guard.

Those are autopistols that you keep in your mouth at night, to keep from clenching your teeth?

552 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:47:16pm

re: #550 TooDamNice

What is a good second handgun?

Depends. For what?

553 LoveOneAnother  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:47:29pm

re: #545 stuiec

Note, please, that the eyes of octopus, squid and nautiluses are also highly evolved and comparable to human eyes, and these are mollusks.

Which is an argument in favor of a Intelligent Design and against monophyletic models of evolution, such as Darwinism.

554 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:48:05pm
555 TooDamNice  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:48:44pm

re: #552 Occasional Reader

Depends. For what?

Practice really. I was thinking of some sort of a 9mm.

556 lobo91  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:49:22pm

re: #534 JCM

Nobody local had any ammo stock, so I spent last Saturday looking around and calling. Found a vendor with Winchester 7.62 NATO in stock and snapped up 500 rds. The shelves are pretty bare of ARs and anything with a full capacity mag.

Wife and I went over to our local mega-gun store (used to be a Walgreens, to give an idea of the size) last weekend, and saw pretty much the same thing. What ammo they had was pretty pricey.

I couldn't believe how many guns they had stacked up behind the counter, waiting for approval through the state's "instant check" system. I counted at least 30 long guns alone.

557 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:51:07pm

re: #555 TooDamNice

Practice really. I was thinking of some sort of a 9mm.

There are plenty of 9mm autopistols out there that are on M1911 frames, if you want to stick with what you know. Personally, I'd want to branch out a little with a second pistol. I only have one handgun now (also M1911); I think my next will either be a Glock, or a revolver (maybe S&W 686).

558 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:51:55pm
559 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:52:14pm

re: #554 Iron Fist

Unless he thought better of it when he sobered up...

Doubtful. He hates us even more with a hangover.

560 lobo91  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:52:25pm

re: #550 TooDamNice

My mistake. I did not search. I guess I should stick to the political threads. ;-) Believe it or not I am not some troll looking to cause trouble.

On a different subject...

I am a new gun owner. I bought a Springfield Armory 1911-A1 a few months ago. I love the gun but it is expensive to shoot. What is a good second handgun? I thought about a .22, but I am afraid that it is too different from my 1911 and I will get to comfortable with it and I will lose my skill shooting the 1911.

One option is a .22 conversion kit for your 1911.

Another is the Ruger 22/45. It was designed with a grip that mimics that of the 1911, for just that reason.

561 TooDamNice  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:53:30pm

re: #557 Occasional Reader

There are plenty of 9mm autopistols out there that are on M1911 frames, if you want to stick with what you know. Personally, I'd want to branch out a little with a second pistol. I only have one handgun now (also M1911); I think my next will either be a Glock, or a revolver (maybe S&W 686).

That is a good point. I thought about the XD series. I like the rail on those types of guns. Is the 686 a .357?

562 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:55:51pm

re: #561 TooDamNice

That is a good point. I thought about the XD series. I like the rail on those types of guns. Is the 686 a .357?

Yes.

I've heard good things about Springfield XD.

563 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:56:12pm

re: #546 Doug

Wham!

That's the sound of another lizard leaving LGF because of the tedious evolution crusade.

Lovely sound is wham.

564 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:58:27pm

re: #563 Naso Tang

Lovely sound is wham.

But now I've got 'Wake me up before you go go...' running in my head.

565 jcbunga  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:03:01pm

OK, but can someone clarify for me what all the fish, fish + cross, fish +legs bumper stickers are? I'm confused.

Meanwhile, let 'em doubt Darwin. It matters not. The flat-earthers have to be puzzled as to why they haven't fallen off yet. Sort of like how the socialists will be puzzled why this crap sandwich of a stimulus doesn't work.

Reality is a fine teacher.

566 A.W.  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:13:57pm

re: #565 jcbunga

OK, but can someone clarify for me what all the fish, fish + cross, fish +legs bumper stickers are? I'm confused.

The fish is an early symbol of christ, referring to the fish and loaves story.

The fish with legs thing is kind of a snarky response from darwinists. usually the word "darwin" is on the darwin fish.

Then of course there are different people who show the jesus fish eating the darwin fish, or vice versa. we call these people "losers who are getting way to far into it."

567 Salamantis  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:15:51pm

re: #62 faraway

At the risk of downdings, namecalling, fireworks, and emotional outbursts, I would like to ask the panel - What is the direct descendant of homo sapiens?

/PS, I don't care either way - I just don't know the answer.

Nobody knows; we haven't produced our direct descendents yet...

568 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:27:46pm

re: #546 Doug

And that second 'wham' is the sound of your account being blocked and your dramatic farewell message being deleted.

569 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:28:30pm

re: #553 LoveOneAnother

Which is an argument in favor of a Intelligent Design and against monophyletic models of evolution, such as Darwinism.

No, it's not.

570 Basho  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:33:38pm

re: #553 LoveOneAnother

Which is an argument in favor of a Intelligent Design and against monophyletic models of evolution, such as Darwinism.

The eyes of butterflies are nothing like the human eye, and what that means is... well... it means it is an argument in favor of an Intelligent Designer!@

/

571 Salamantis  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:39:01pm

re: #226 Omega3

I was aware of such claims yes. I'm also thinking that ID shouldn't be taught in public schools on other grounds as well, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Very few people understand this topic or care to and fewer still believe that it is important.

Those who do not think this topic is important are wrong. Our nation's future global military and economic competitiveness is inextricably intertwined with our education system beling able to produce competent scientists, and falsely teaching religious dogma as empirical fact in public high school science class would hamstring that production.

572 toodamnice  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:40:48pm

re: #566 A.W.

The fish is an early symbol of Christ, referring to the fish and loaves story.

The fish with legs thing is kind of a snarky response from darwinists. usually the word "darwin" is on the darwin fish.

Then of course there are different people who show the Jesus fish eating the darwin fish, or vice versa. we call these people "losers who are getting way to far into it."

I thought the fish symbolizes "fishers of men" - we Christians are the fish and Christ is the "fisher". I could be wrong though..

573 Salamantis  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:43:21pm

re: #235 Omega3

Sharmuta: Would you like the government, via a public school science classroom, to undermine your right as a parent to teach your child your faith?

Omega3: how would the government do that? I'm curious.

By teaching your children religious dogmas as scientific fact, and perhaps religious dogmas that does not agree with the tenets of your own faith.

574 rsdavis  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:51:56pm

One of the enduring falsehoods repeated endlessly by anti-evolution fanatics is that there are no “transitional fossils”

Actually, Darwin was the first one to raise the issue of a lack of transitional fossils as a serious difficulty for his theory (in Origin of Species). He suggested that this was due to the small number of fossil records discovered in his day and that as additional fossils were discovered, they would bear out his theory.

I have no expertise in the field, and so can't comment on whether the current fossil record shows enough evidence of transitional forms to satisfy Darwin.

575 Salamantis  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:52:26pm

re: #299 TooDamNice

Did Darwin have issues fitting the human eye into his theory?

Nope. To quote Darwin himself:

To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei, as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certain the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, should not be considered as subversive of the theory. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself originated; but I may remark that, as some of the lowest organisms in which nerves cannot be detected, are capable of perceiving light, it does not seem impossible that certain sensitive elements in their sarcode should become aggregated and developed into nerves, endowed with this special sensibility.

576 Salamantis  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:53:33pm

re: #574 rsdavis

One of the enduring falsehoods repeated endlessly by anti-evolution fanatics is that there are no “transitional fossils”

Actually, Darwin was the first one to raise the issue of a lack of transitional fossils as a serious difficulty for his theory (in Origin of Species). He suggested that this was due to the small number of fossil records discovered in his day and that as additional fossils were discovered, they would bear out his theory.

I have no expertise in the field, and so can't comment on whether the current fossil record shows enough evidence of transitional forms to satisfy Darwin.

Many additional fossils have been discovered. They all bear out his theory.

577 Basho  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:59:19pm

Who the hell cares if Darwin had issues with the eye. Scientists today don't. Jeez Laweez!

578 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 2:11:18pm

re: #574 rsdavis

One of the enduring falsehoods repeated endlessly by anti-evolution fanatics is that there are no “transitional fossils”

Actually, Darwin was the first one to raise the issue of a lack of transitional fossils as a serious difficulty for his theory (in Origin of Species). He suggested that this was due to the small number of fossil records discovered in his day and that as additional fossils were discovered, they would bear out his theory.

I have no expertise in the field, and so can't comment on whether the current fossil record shows enough evidence of transitional forms to satisfy Darwin.

In 1859, the fossil record was very very poorly documented. Since then paleontologists have discovered thousands of transitional forms. Darwin would have felt astonishment at how well his theories have held up.

579 Basho  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 2:15:51pm

re: #578 Charles

Evolution can't make predictions! What? Are you going to tell me Darwin suggested birds came from reptiles in 1859 and three years later a reptilian fossil with feathers called Archaeopteryx was discovered?!?

580 Salamantis  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 2:19:02pm

re: #553 LoveOneAnother

Which is an argument in favor of a Intelligent Design and against monophyletic models of evolution, such as Darwinism.

No it isn't. It is to be expected that different organisms, when confronted by environments containing similar challenges and opportunities, would have similar mutations selected.

581 Basho  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 2:23:35pm

re: #226 Omega3

I was aware of such claims yes. I'm also thinking that ID shouldn't be taught in public schools on other grounds as well, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Very few people understand this topic or care to and fewer still believe that it is important.

Yeah, well... if we only taught what people believed to be important we'd be back to the level of intellectualism of the dark ages.

582 CLLRusso  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 2:57:08pm

re: #572 toodamnice
I thought that came from when Christ recruited Peter to become a disciple, Peter being a fisherman, and Christ said to him "Come join me and I will make you fishers of men." Meaning that Peter would help him spread his message to mankind, which he did.

583 Omega3  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 2:57:50pm

re: #581 Basho

Yeah, well... if we only taught what people believed to be important we'd be back to the level of intellectualism of the dark ages.

True. True. From what I can tell, we're not too far off.

584 Basho  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 3:03:58pm

re: #583 Omega3

Was thinking along those lines too ;)

585 LoveOneAnother  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 4:03:33pm

re: #574 rsdavis

One of the enduring falsehoods repeated endlessly by anti-evolution fanatics is that there are no “transitional fossils”

Actually, Darwin was the first one to raise the issue of a lack of transitional fossils as a serious difficulty for his theory (in Origin of Species). He suggested that this was due to the small number of fossil records discovered in his day and that as additional fossils were discovered, they would bear out his theory.

I have no expertise in the field, and so can't comment on whether the current fossil record shows enough evidence of transitional forms to satisfy Darwin.

Exactly. Darwin was rational and honest about it, unlike many modern Darwinists who seem to favor evolutionary dogma over scientific analysis. Now they won't even let you talk about the problems presented by the fossil record (because such "nonsense" has religious implications and does not belong in science).

586 LoveOneAnother  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 4:05:59pm

re: #579 Basho

Evolution can't make predictions! What? Are you going to tell me Darwin suggested birds came from reptiles in 1859 and three years later a reptilian fossil with feathers called Archaeopteryx was discovered?!?

Shhh.... Didn't they tell you? Archaeopteryx is not a transitional form any more than the Coelocanth is, because fully formed birds have been found in older strata.

587 Salamantis  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 4:41:09pm

re: #585 LoveOneAnother

Exactly. Darwin was rational and honest about it, unlike many modern Darwinists who seem to favor evolutionary dogma over scientific analysis. Now they won't even let you talk about the problems presented by the fossil record (because such "nonsense" has religious implications and does not belong in science).

The fossil record today ain't what it was in Darwin's day:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It ain't dogma when you've got supporting empirical evidence.

588 Salamantis  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 4:43:18pm

re: #586 LoveOneAnother

Shhh.... Didn't they tell you? Archaeopteryx is not a transitional form any more than the Coelocanth is, because fully formed birds have been found in older strata.

Several different dino species evolves feathers; Archaeopteryx was one of those that didn't make it. Obviously another dino species did, which is why we can cause chicken embryos to grow dino features.

589 Basho  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 5:26:14pm

re: #586 LoveOneAnother

Shhh.... Didn't they tell you? Archaeopteryx is not a transitional form any more than the Coelocanth is, because fully formed birds have been found in older strata.

Read what I wrote:
Evolution can't make predictions! What? Are you going to tell me Darwin suggested birds came from reptiles in 1859 and three years later a reptilian fossil with feathers called Archaeopteryx was discovered?!?

590 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 6:33:07pm

re: #586 LoveOneAnother

Shhh.... Didn't they tell you? Archaeopteryx is not a transitional form any more than the Coelocanth is, because fully formed birds have been found in older strata.

Don't you feel a little embarrassed posting crap like this?

Never mind, I know you don't.

591 Basho  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 6:58:41pm

re: #590 Charles

My newest tactic I'm experimenting with for dealing with creationist nonsense is to assume they're right and show that even if they are their arguments are irrelevant.

592 Basho  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 6:59:54pm

re: #591 Basho

A variant on the mathematical proof by contradiction I learned at university...

593 jcbunga  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 7:10:29pm

re: #566 A.W.

The fish is an early symbol of christ, referring to the fish and loaves story.

The fish with legs thing is kind of a snarky response from darwinists. usually the word "darwin" is on the darwin fish.

Then of course there are different people who show the jesus fish eating the darwin fish, or vice versa. we call these people "losers who are getting way to far into it."

ahh, OK. Thanks. I was OK with the fish, but the others escaped me. Thanks.

594 jcbunga  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 7:12:40pm

re: #565 jcbunga

OK, but can someone clarify for me what all the fish, fish + cross, fish +legs bumper stickers are? I'm confused.

Meanwhile, let 'em doubt Darwin. It matters not. The flat-earthers have to be puzzled as to why they haven't fallen off yet. Sort of like how the socialists will be puzzled why this crap sandwich of a stimulus doesn't work.

Reality is a fine teacher.

Um, why am I being down dinged for supporting Darwin in this thread while noting flat earthers aren't falling off the edge?

Is there a closet foaming flat earth cell out there?

595 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:49:37pm

re: #572 toodamnice

I thought the fish symbolizes "fishers of men" - we Christians are the fish and Christ is the "fisher". I could be wrong though..

Would you believe all humans are fish?

596 LoveOneAnother  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:49:27am

re: #580 Salamantis

No it isn't. It is to be expected that different organisms, when confronted by environments containing similar challenges and opportunities, would have similar mutations selected.

Cephalopods and humans are in completely different environments with very different challenges and opportunities. The probability for random mutations and natural selection to produce such similar structures in such disparate groups is astounding. Polyphyletic evolution would be more favorable here, but if you don't like those odds, the idea that a Creator used similar concepts for these two groups is another possibility, but only if you are open to the idea of a Creator. If the idea of a Creator is nauseating, then you are stuck with saying, "well, I don't know how it happened, and I can't explain or demonstrate the process, but it has to be that Darwin was right and natural selection did it!" This is more reminiscient of the faith that creationists are criticized for rather than the objective perspective expected of scientific inquiry.

597 LoveOneAnother  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:54:39am

re: #587 Salamantis

The fossil record today ain't what it was in Darwin's day:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It ain't dogma when you've got supporting empirical evidence.

Empirical evidence is interpreted through a theoretical framework. When the interpretive framework is magnified at the forced exclusion of other interpretive frameworks, we have doctrine and dogma.

598 LoveOneAnother  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:02:48am

re: #588 Salamantis

Several different dino species evolves feathers; Archaeopteryx was one of those that didn't make it. Obviously another dino species did, which is why we can cause chicken embryos to grow dino features.

Yeah, but we still have many evolutionists claiming Archaeopteryx is a transitional fossil, despite your acknowledgement here that it is not. Same thing happened with the Coelocanth, until we discovered that it was alive and well living off Africa and Indonesia.

Most of the transitional fossils are like this. We can make similar evolutionary arguments for transitionals from the morphology of still living species. The problem is the timeline, so it would be foolish to do it.

599 LoveOneAnother  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:17:10am

re: #589 Basho

Read what I wrote:
Evolution can't make predictions! What? Are you going to tell me Darwin suggested birds came from reptiles in 1859 and three years later a reptilian fossil with feathers called Archaeopteryx was discovered?!?

I have no idea why you said, "Evolution can't make predictions." Of course it does. Darwin was thrilled with Archaeopteryx, but he did not live long enough to learn that Archaeopteryx is as problematic to filling in the predicted evolutionary tree as the Neanderthals are.

600 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:33:56am

Yeah, whatever.

601 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:43:11am

re: #599 LoveOneAnother

I have no idea why you said, "Evolution can't make predictions." Of course it does. Darwin was thrilled with Archaeopteryx, but he did not live long enough to learn that Archaeopteryx is as problematic to filling in the predicted evolutionary tree as the Neanderthals are.

You're a fool, and you are spewing nonsense that you know is not true.

602 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:43:39am

re: #598 LoveOneAnother

Yeah, but we still have many evolutionists claiming Archaeopteryx is a transitional fossil, despite your acknowledgement here that it is not. Same thing happened with the Coelocanth, until we discovered that it was alive and well living off Africa and Indonesia.

Most of the transitional fossils are like this. We can make similar evolutionary arguments for transitionals from the morphology of still living species. The problem is the timeline, so it would be foolish to do it.

Rejecting reality is no way to go through life.

603 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:40:03am

re: #599 LoveOneAnother

Darwin was thrilled with Archaeopteryx, but he did not live long enough to learn that Archaeopteryx is as problematic to filling in the predicted evolutionary tree as the Neanderthals are.

You're full of crap. I have a layman's understanding of the fossil record, but you picked the wrong species to talk about.

I happen to know quite a bit on hominid fossils, and a good understanding of Archaeopteryx.

Next time pick the Trilobite and I might think you're sincere.

604 LoveOneAnother  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:04:41pm

re: #601 Charles


LoveOneAnother wrote:
> I have no idea why you said,
> "Evolution can't make predictions."
> Of course it does. Darwin was thrilled
> with Archaeopteryx, but he did not live
> long enough to learn that Archaeopteryx
> is as problematic to filling in the predicted
> evolutionary tree as the Neanderthals are.

Charles wrote:
> You're a fool, and you are spewing nonsense
> that you know is not true.

You can't argue the empirical data, so you drop any scientific rational response and disparage the messenger. I have seen that tactic before. Next comes crucifixion or expulsion. Do whatever it takes to keep the opposing scientific views out of the classroom and out of the orthodox establishment of science.

605 LoveOneAnother  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:32:01pm

re: #603 Basho

You're full of crap. I have a layman's understanding of the fossil record, but you picked the wrong species to talk about.

I happen to know quite a bit on hominid fossils, and a good understanding of Archaeopteryx.

Next time pick the Trilobite and I might think you're sincere.

If you are being honest here, then please admit to everyone on this forum that from an evolutionist's perspective, Neanderthals lived contemporaneously with modern man, and that since the 1980's, more than 70 genera of birds have been discovered in the Mesozoic, including bird fossils from millions of years prior to Archaeopteryx. Of course, many scientists scoff at the fossils from earlier sedimentary layers because it upsets their precious evolutionary theory of how Archaeopteryx is the transitional fossil leading from reptiles to birds, but since you claim to be an expert in this field, please admit for everyone of their discovery.

606 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:47:13pm

re: #596 LoveOneAnother

If you're being honest...

Cephalopods and humans are in completely different environments with very different challenges and opportunities. The probability for random mutations and natural selection to produce such similar structures in such disparate groups is astounding.

then tell me the exact probability. I'm a mathematician, so I'll check your work.

If not then please shut the hell up, 'cause you're a freakin moron.

But don't take my word for it, from what I remember you saying your University kicked your dumb ass out the first chance it got.

607 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:51:23pm

re: #605 LoveOneAnother

but since you claim to be an expert in this field, please admit for everyone of their discovery.

You can't even understand simple freaking words... I said, very clearly mind you, that I have a layman's understanding of this stuff.

You can't even get the facts right on what little I do know, you idiot.

608 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 3:00:04pm

Gah whatever... I spent the last couple of minutes trying to deduce whatever the hell your point has been. But it's a waste of time, because reading through the other threads you're trolling I won't be able to get anything through to your head. So whatever. Don't reply to me. I don't care.

609 LoveOneAnother  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 3:47:22pm

re: #607 Basho

You can't even understand simple freaking words... I said, very clearly mind you, that I have a layman's understanding of this stuff.

You can't even get the facts right on what little I do know, you idiot.

I caught the "layman" word, but that does not belie the way you purported to be more of an expert than me. You suggested that I had picked the wrong species to talk about, that I had stumbled into something you knew about.

Here is a clip from the entry for Bird in Wikipedia (emphasis mine):
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The Late Jurassic Archaeopteryx is well-known as one of the first transitional fossils to be found and it provided support for the theory of evolution in the late 19th century. Archaeopteryx has clearly reptilian characters: teeth, clawed fingers, and a long, lizard-like tail, but it has finely preserved wings with flight feathers identical to those of modern birds. It is not considered a direct ancestor of modern birds, but is the oldest and most primitive member of Aves or Avialae, and it is probably closely related to the real ancestor. It has even been suggested that Archaeopteryx was a dinosaur that was no more closely related to birds than were other dinosaur groups,[15] and that Avimimus was more likely to be the ancestor of all birds than Archaeopteryx.[16]

See it right there? It was considered a transitional fossil back in the 19th century during Darwin's time, but future digging of fossils has discredited this interpretation among evolutionists. Yet time and time again, ad nauseum, we see these so many zealot scientists misrepresenting Archaeopteryx and touting it as a transitional species so as to keep the "faith" in evolution among those less knowledgable of the actual empirical data.

610 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:06:08pm

re: #604 LoveOneAnother

You can't argue the empirical data, so you drop any scientific rational response and disparage the messenger. I have seen that tactic before. Next comes crucifixion or expulsion. Do whatever it takes to keep the opposing scientific views out of the classroom and out of the orthodox establishment of science.

You're right. I'm now going to crucify you. Hey Stinky, where are those big nails?

611 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:08:05pm

re: #609 LoveOneAnother

See it right there? It was considered a transitional fossil back in the 19th century during Darwin's time, but future digging of fossils has discredited this interpretation among evolutionists. Yet time and time again, ad nauseum, we see these so many zealot scientists misrepresenting Archaeopteryx and touting it as a transitional species so as to keep the "faith" in evolution among those less knowledgable of the actual empirical data.

Do you just not understand what you're reading, or are you deliberately lying about it?

612 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:16:27pm

re: #609 LoveOneAnother

Extinct branch species do not invalidate evolution, science correcting the record as they go makes me trust them more. Compare that to AIG and ICR, who never correct their records, pimping the same tired lines in circular fashion.

The fact that neandrethals lived at the same time as other modern primate species improves the theory of evolution, it in no way degrades it. Compare to the Alpine mummy, he has no living descendants either. Evolution predicts that these types of species extinctions, as well as the overlaps would occur.

613 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:19:54pm

re: #612 Thanos

He's just spewing creationist talking points and weird unsupported claims all over the site. Complete waste of time debating this one -- either he's utterly clueless, or he's deliberately yanking people's chains.

614 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:19:55pm

re: #596 LoveOneAnother

Cephalopods and humans are in completely different environments with very different challenges and opportunities. The probability for random mutations and natural selection to produce such similar structures in such disparate groups is astounding. Polyphyletic evolution would be more favorable here, but if you don't like those odds, the idea that a Creator used similar concepts for these two groups is another possibility, but only if you are open to the idea of a Creator. If the idea of a Creator is nauseating, then you are stuck with saying, "well, I don't know how it happened, and I can't explain or demonstrate the process, but it has to be that Darwin was right and natural selection did it!" This is more reminiscient of the faith that creationists are criticized for rather than the objective perspective expected of scientific inquiry.

You mean that water and air are not both transparent, and do not both offer the opportunity for eyes to be beneficial mutations? That would be a great surprise to most folks here.

615 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:23:36pm

re: #597 LoveOneAnother

Empirical evidence is interpreted through a theoretical framework. When the interpretive framework is magnified at the forced exclusion of other interpretive frameworks, we have doctrine and dogma.

Nope. When one interpretive framework organizes and explains the empirical evidence and proposes verifiable, and subsequently verified, connections between data in different disciplines, and other proposed frameworks do not, it would be sheer dogmatic lunacy to discard what works and embrace what doesn't, simply because it makes one feel good to do so, and agrees with what some faiths have taught.

616 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:27:47pm

re: #613 Charles

He's just spewing creationist talking points and weird unsupported claims all over the site. Complete waste of time debating this one -- either he's utterly clueless, or he's deliberately yanking people's chains.

I think the latter

617 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:28:30pm

re: #598 LoveOneAnother

Yeah, but we still have many evolutionists claiming Archaeopteryx is a transitional fossil, despite your acknowledgement here that it is not. Same thing happened with the Coelocanth, until we discovered that it was alive and well living off Africa and Indonesia.

Most of the transitional fossils are like this. We can make similar evolutionary arguments for transitionals from the morphology of still living species. The problem is the timeline, so it would be foolish to do it.

You still haven't answered how it is that we can cause chicken fetuses to grow dino features. And the moment you find land-based whale ancestors still loping around, please let me know. Paleontologists have unearthed a quite detailed transitional fossil seqence documenting their return to the sea.

618 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:29:13pm

re: #613 Charles

He's just spewing creationist talking points and weird unsupported claims all over the site. Complete waste of time debating this one -- either he's utterly clueless, or he's deliberately yanking people's chains.

These alternatives are not mutually exclusive.

619 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:33:39pm

re: #599 LoveOneAnother

I have no idea why you said, "Evolution can't make predictions." Of course it does. Darwin was thrilled with Archaeopteryx, but he did not live long enough to learn that Archaeopteryx is as problematic to filling in the predicted evolutionary tree as the Neanderthals are.

Well, a scientist did predict that Tiktaalik, the fossil that completed a transition record of life's ancient emergence from the sea onto land, would be discovered before it was, but the fact is that any evolutionary predictions that are made on the basis of the contemporary world would require us to wait a helluva long time to see if they were or were not fulfilled. At least as far as macroorganisms are concerned.

620 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:36:50pm

re: #604 LoveOneAnother

You can't argue the empirical data, so you drop any scientific rational response and disparage the messenger. I have seen that tactic before. Next comes crucifixion or expulsion. Do whatever it takes to keep the opposing scientific views out of the classroom and out of the orthodox establishment of science.

Your opposing views are anything but scientific. You cannot present a single shred of credible empirical evidence that supports your view and contradicts evolution.

621 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:51:48pm

re: #605 LoveOneAnother

If you are being honest here, then please admit to everyone on this forum that from an evolutionist's perspective, Neanderthals lived contemporaneously with modern man, and that since the 1980's, more than 70 genera of birds have been discovered in the Mesozoic, including bird fossils from millions of years prior to Archaeopteryx. Of course, many scientists scoff at the fossils from earlier sedimentary layers because it upsets their precious evolutionary theory of how Archaeopteryx is the transitional fossil leading from reptiles to birds, but since you claim to be an expert in this field, please admit for everyone of their discovery.

Umm...you are most definitely no expert, as Archaeopteryx and Confuciusornis date from the Jurassic period (206-144 million years ago), which, along with the Triassic (245-208 million years ago) and the Cretaceous (146-65 million years ago), comprise the Mesozoic (248 to 65 million years ago). and the one claim to have found a bird dating 80 million years before Archaeopteryx and Confuciusornis doesn't look very good:

[Link: www.ucmp.berkeley.edu...]

622 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:57:12pm

re: #609 LoveOneAnother

See it right there? It was considered a transitional fossil back in the 19th century during Darwin's time, but future digging of fossils has discredited this interpretation among evolutionists. Yet time and time again, ad nauseum, we see these so many zealot scientists misrepresenting Archaeopteryx and touting it as a transitional species so as to keep the "faith" in evolution among those less knowledgable of the actual empirical data.

The article also contends that it is it is 'probably closely related to the real ancestor' - which means that it and modern birds most likely shared common ancestors. All you are doing is arguing from ignorance to incredulity, with gratuitously snarky sliming tossed in.


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