FBI Adds ‘Animal Rights’ Terrorist to Wanted List

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The newest addition to the FBI’s “most wanted” list: a left wing extremist.

WASHINGTON (AP) — For the first time, an accused domestic terrorist is being added to the FBI’s list of “Most Wanted” terror suspects.

Daniel Andreas San Diego, a 31-year-old computer specialist from Berkeley, Calif., is wanted for the 2003 bombings of two corporate offices in California.

Authorities describe San Diego as an animal rights activist who turned to bomb attacks and say he has tattoo that proclaims, “It only takes a spark.”

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474 comments
1 bkgodfrey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:01:36am

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

2 Buck  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:01:38am

Spark....the Lefts "nice" word for Bomb.

3 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:02:05am

People like him should be on the Most Wanted list.

4 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:02:33am

Good. Regardless of whether on the right or the left, if you bomb places, you should go to jail.

5 The Other Les  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:02:34am

I think that tattoos represent a reversion to a primitivistic state of mind.
A symptom of a reversion to savagery.

6 vxbush  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:02:46am

His last name is really San Diego? Forgive me, but I don't know too many people who have names that come from famous towns. I've never met a Mr. Chicago, for example.

7 vxbush  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:03:05am

re: #3 Ward Cleaver

People like him should be on the Most Wanted list.

No disagreement there at all.

8 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:03:09am

A new game show: "Where in the World is Daniel Andreas San Diego?"

/hosted by john walsh

9 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:03:10am

he has tattoo that proclaims, “It only takes a spark.”

So is his nickname Daniel SPARKY Andreas?

10 StudSupreme  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:03:31am

Think what a vapid, frothing, pathetic loser the guy must have been in life to turn to such activities...........

11 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:04:06am

This brings to mind the saying "Be careful what you ask for" ... or vent about. The faux outrage over the DHS reports created this move, and now the top of the "most wanted" list is an ALF terrorist instead of Al Qaida. Way to go pundits on the right....

While no doubt ALF are terrorists and politically expedient for the right, I think Al Qaida is emminently more dangerous.

12 JohnnyReb  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:04:12am

re: #9 sattv4u2

he has tattoo that proclaims, “It only takes a spark.”

So is his nickname Daniel SPARKY Andreas?

Bet he ain't got that tattoo anymore!

13 The Other Les  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:04:17am

re: #3 Ward Cleaver

People like him should be on the Most Wanted list.

People like that have no place in civil society.

The funny thing is that the neosavage (or to use H. Beam Piper's term -- Neobarbarian) probably agrees.

14 Øyvind Strømmen  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:04:34am

This is discrimination against left-wingers! I will sue them!

//

15 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:04:34am

Waiting for the first person to claim that the FBI is "covering" for the DHS report by adding this guy to the list ... 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

16 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:04:54am

Fair and balanced? He makes a mess at a lab because of puppies and lab rats and that makes him #1? Please, Lord, give me strength.

17 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:05:09am

The FBI link in the Google story is no good. Here's the right one.

18 ORD neighbor  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:05:12am

There is far more to those who are like him, and support his kind, than meets the eye. And none of it is good. The ramifications of the activities, and one might say even mere presence, of this type of bad actors are quite far-reaching, more so than appears at first glance.

19 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:05:19am

re: #15 Charles

Waiting for the first person to claim that the FBI is "covering" for the DHS report by adding this guy to the list ... 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

That would be me, see above... :)

20 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:05:32am

"TERRORISTS,,,,
Animal Rights Activists,,,, CHECK
Iraq veterans,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,CHECK
states rightists,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,CHECK

Splodydopes ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NOT SO MUCH (man caused disasterists, donchya know)

TOTALLY //////// BOSS ,!

21 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:05:37am

re: #15 Charles

Yes--we planned this to work out this way. :)

22 dhg4  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:05:46am

re: #6 vxbush

His last name is really San Diego? Forgive me, but I don't know too many people who have names that come from famous towns. I've never met a Mr. Chicago, for example.

There is a Nobel winning scientist, Dr. David Baltimore.

23 The Other Les  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:05:53am

re: #6 vxbush

His last name is really San Diego? Forgive me, but I don't know too many people who have names that come from famous towns. I've never met a Mr. Chicago, for example.

Given what goes on in Chicago politics I wouldn't wnat to be named Chicago either.

24 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:05:53am

Toto? I don't think we're in Leavenworth anymore.

25 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:05:56am

re: #15 Charles

Waiting for the first person Glenn Beck to claim that the FBI is "covering" for the DHS report by adding this guy to the list ... 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

FTFY.

26 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:06:01am

Hm, I wonder if the FBI is using this to cover the DHS report?

(Sorry Charles - I just couldn't resist.)

:-)

(Just loves me comedy!)

27 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:07:18am

re: #11 Thanos

With acronyms like ALF and ELF, I can only imagine these groups as being filled with short-furry aliens or Santa's helpers.

28 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:08:00am

re: #26 subsailor68 You guys are going to wear out Stinky before noon.

29 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:08:05am

re: #27 calcajun

With acronyms like ALF and ELF, I can only imagine these groups as being filled with short-furry aliens or Santa's helpers.

They wouldn't like ALF - he liked to eat cats.

30 Kragar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:08:26am

Down here in San Diego, they've had a couple arsons down here connected to the ALF and ELF. About time they're being treated seriously.

31 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:08:31am

Maybe the FBI did this in honor of "Earth Week" ;~)

32 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:08:33am

On no. Wait for it...Where in the World is Daniel San Diego?

33 badger1970  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:09:02am

re: #6 vxbush

This is what happens at a domestic terrorist gathering.

Reservoir dogs- The Names

People like San Diego would find any reason to excuse their behavior. Why Bill Ayers is still running around free is still a mystery to me.

34 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:09:02am

re: #27 calcajun

With acronyms like ALF and ELF, I can only imagine these groups as being filled with short-furry aliens or Santa's helpers.

They are certainly dangerous and destructive - we are more likely to see elevated activity from them as their sweeping goals go unrealized even though "their guys' are in power.... That said, our biggest threats still emanate from Iran and Pakistan.

35 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:09:07am

I am wondering if the Polo Pony deaths are tied to any radical Animal Activist?

36 bkgodfrey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:09:09am

re: #15 Charles

If they do, please refer them to this warning released in January warning concerning left-wing extremists: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

37 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:09:41am

re: #32 calcajun

On no. Wait for it...Where in the World is Daniel San Diego?

GMTA!

38 BLBfootballs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:09:51am

I assume they're placing him here now because they're afraid he's ready to escalate.

39 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:10:10am

re: #28 DaddyG

You guys are going to wear out Stinky before noon.

LOL! Sure hopes good ol' Stinky likes the satire thingy or me be in big trouble, eh?

40 The Other Les  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:10:11am

re: #15 Charles

Waiting for the first person to claim that the FBI is "covering" for the DHS report by adding this guy to the list ... 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

Um... why would someone with a delusion of righteousness (which appears to be common among Leftists) feel the need to cover themselves for stating what they feel to be the truth?

/opinion

41 Kragar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:10:12am

re: #27 calcajun

With acronyms like ALF and ELF, I can only imagine these groups as being filled with short-furry aliens or Santa's helpers.

I still snicker everytime I here about MILF

42 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:10:30am

He and his sister, Carmen, are both in hiding.

Where in the world could they be?
/

43 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:10:37am

re: #36 bkgodfrey

If they do, please refer them to this warning released in January warning concerning left-wing extremists: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I did, well aware of that report as I think I'm the one who first posted it in spinoffs.

44 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:10:41am

re: #31 eschew_obfuscation

Maybe the FBI did this in honor of "Earth Week" ;~)

Waaaaay too much carbon released when they torch buildings.

45 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:10:51am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Down here in San Diego, they've had a couple arsons down here connected to the ALF and ELF. About time they're being treated seriously.

I know--they burned down the large apartment complex over by La Jolla Village and 805 a few years back. (it was only in the framing stage when it burned) I don't like'em either. Waiting to see someone hit a tree spike in "Ax Men" to show the world what these loonies are like.

46 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:10:53am

re: #35 smokefire

I am wondering if the Polo Pony deaths are tied to any radical Animal Activist?

Kill the ponies to SAVE the ponies !?!?!?!?!?!?

47 vxbush  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:11:13am

re: #23 The Other Les

Given what goes on in Chicago politics I wouldn't wnat to be named Chicago either.

Heh. No, definitely not. Baltimore doesn't seem too bad, although with a Nobel Prize that adds more to his credentials than any last name.

48 astronmr20  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:11:17am

"it only takes a spark..."

Doesn't the Weather Underground also use that phrase? IE the whole grassfire thing?

50 badger1970  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:11:47am

re: #46 sattv4u2

Save the limb but kill the patient.

51 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:11:49am

re: #35 smokefire

I am wondering if the Polo Pony deaths are tied to any radical Animal Activist?

It's going to be interesting to watch that investigation. They say it'll be weeks getting toxicology data back.

52 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:11:53am

I know PETA isn't part of this report but this is the best documentary I have seen about PETA
Penn & Teller BS
They talks about PETA's campaign"The Holocaust on your plate", really sick and insulting stuff. Also they talk about extremists among animal rights groups. Watch it, it's really worth it. (15 min)

53 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:11:55am

re: #11 Thanos

and now the top of the "most wanted" list is an ALF terrorist instead of Al Qaida.

Not really.

54 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:12:12am

There was a handful of animal rights nuts outside of the train station yesterday, screaming at passers-by with a megaphone, all were wearing masks, which I'm not sure is legal.

55 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:12:20am

re: #49 NJDhockeyfan

CAIR caught selling Jihad material at their Community Service/Family Picnic

What's wrong with that?

/

56 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:12:32am

The point is that the FBI and DHS is doing their job, speculating on terror threats from both the left and right is part of the territory. The fact is that they are actively pursuing Leftist terrorists, while only speculating on potentials from the right.

57 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:12:39am

re: #46 sattv4u2

Kill the ponies to SAVE the ponies !?!?!?!?!?!?

.............Kill the ponies to punish the people!
Who knows what goes on in their mind?

58 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:12:47am

re: #46 sattv4u2

Kill the ponies to SAVE the ponies !?!?!?!?!?!?

Wouldn't be the first time for PETA and animal killing:

Better dead than fed, PETA says

59 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:13:00am

re: #20 sattv4u2

"TERRORISTS,,,,
Animal Rights Activists,,,, CHECK
Iraq veterans,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,CHECK
states rightists,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,CHECK

Splodydopes ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NOT SO MUCH (man caused disasterists, donchya know)

TOTALLY //////// BOSS ,!


Um... see my link at #53 to the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists list. ALL of them appear to be jihadists, except for this guy.

60 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:13:22am

re: #35 smokefire

Probably a disgruntled employee or another team. Shameful.

61 Lee Coller  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:13:26am

OT, over at [Link: foxnews.com...] is this:

Obama Leaves Door Open to Prosecutions Over Bush-Era Interrogations

(no link yet). If this is true, its terrible and would set a terrible precedence.

62 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:13:29am

Adding another security risk (potential serial bomber) is neither surprising nor a surprise from an increasingly unpopular Obama administration.

/With friends like these...

63 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:13:48am

This is good evidence that the DHS is interested in stopping all mad bombers, regardless of their ideology. This is a good sign.

64 J.S.  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:13:49am

re: #35 smokefire

CNN yesterday (don't have a link) hinted yesterday something about possible insurance fraud...(speaking in terms of possible motives -- but all is pure speculation at this point.)

65 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:13:49am

Arf.

66 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:14:06am

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I still snicker everytime I here about MILF

"Why everyone raugh at us, Achmed? No one raugh at Hezbarrah!"

67 Dave the.....  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:14:07am
His last name is really San Diego? Forgive me, but I don't know too many people who have names that come from famous towns. I've never met a Mr. Chicago, for example.

Every hear of Lincoln Nebraska? Or Lincoln Illinois? Our 16th President was named after one of those.

68 nikis-knight  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:14:24am

re: #11 Thanos

This brings to mind the saying "Be careful what you ask for" ... or vent about. The faux outrage over the DHS reports created this move, and now the top of the "most wanted" list is an ALF terrorist instead of Al Qaida. Way to go pundits on the right....

While no doubt ALF are terrorists and politically expedient for the right, I think Al Qaida is emminently more dangerous.

Top of the most wanted list?

San Diego would be the 24th person on the list, and the only domestic terror suspect.


Whether or not he deserves to be there, I don't know, but I don't see where you're getting "top" from.

69 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:14:29am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

Um... see my link at #53 to the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists list. ALL of them appear to be jihadists, except for this guy.

sorry you missed my multiple //////// tags !

70 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:14:30am

re: #54 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

There was a handful of animal rights nuts outside of the train station yesterday, screaming at passers-by with a megaphone, all were wearing masks, which I'm not sure is legal.

As others have pointed out; they love to scream abuse at little old ladies wearing fur coats. For some reason they never get around to doing the same at bikers wearing leather.

71 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:14:36am

re: #60 calcajun

Cal, then why was my first thought some type of Terrorist action by the Animal freaks? Must be my cynical thinking.

72 Kragar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:14:38am

re: #45 calcajun

I know--they burned down the large apartment complex over by La Jolla Village and 805 a few years back. (it was only in the framing stage when it burned) I don't like'em either. Waiting to see someone hit a tree spike in "Ax Men" to show the world what these loonies are like.

Another group hit the Hummer dealer over by Hotel Circle a few years back IIRC. Smashed in windows and torched a few hummers on the lot and sprayed earth day graffiti.

73 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:14:44am

re: #58 subsailor68

Wouldn't be the first time for PETA and animal killing:

Better dead than fed, PETA says

I remember that story. It wasn't the first time they've done something like that, BTW.

74 vxbush  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:14:45am

re: #33 badger1970

This is what happens at a domestic terrorist gathering.

Reservoir dogs- The Names

People like San Diego would find any reason to excuse their behavior. Why Bill Ayers is still running around free is still a mystery to me.

I have no doubt that San Diego believes he is performing a noble task. It is a perversion of logic that allows such evil to be seen as good.

75 VegasRick  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:15:03am

re: #62 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Adding another security risk (potential serial bomber) is neither surprising nor a surprise from an increasingly unpopular Obama administration.

/With friends like these...

Who needs enemas?

76 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:15:06am

re: #69 sattv4u2

sorry you missed my multiple //////// tags !

Ach. My mistake. Sorry.

77 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:15:34am

re: #64 J.S.

Someone must have been watching an old Law and Order episode recently.

78 Buck  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:15:39am

re: #27 calcajun

With acronyms like ALF and ELF, I can only imagine these groups as being filled with short-furry aliens or Santa's helpers.

Don't leave out my favorite terror group.... MILF

79 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:15:42am

re: #15 Charles

Here's the FBI Most wanted terrorist list

Daniel Andreas San Diego is the only non-Muslim on the list. For whatever reason.

The FBI Most wanted fugitive list, has Osama bin Laden as well as 9 other "ordinary" criminals. Among the fugitives is one right-wing extremist wanted for the sexual abuse of children.

It would be quite a stretch to see these lists as evidence the DHS is out to get "right wingers" .

80 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:15:50am

re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I remember that now.

81 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:15:53am

re: #70 Occasional Reader

As others have pointed out; they love to scream abuse at little old ladies wearing fur coats. For some reason they never get around to doing the same at bikers wearing leather.

Hilarity would ensue.

82 That's Glenn Beck to you  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:15:55am

So.

Now that the Obama Administration controls the FBI, I see that they have added a token liberal to the most wanted list to cover for the DHS.

Go ahead - hit me with your Birmingham fire hoses of downdings. I have my newly framed picture of my newly adopted hero Dr. King to look at while you hit me with your intolerance and closed mindedness.

And for those who can't wait for the next Apocalypse, Armageddon and Civil Insurrection Preparations Thread, here is another recipe from my forthcoming book, "101 Recipes With Government Cheese and Iodine - tasty treats that will make the end timee the best times."

Iodine Fondue -

1 block of government cheese
3 potassium iodine tablets, crushed
3 books on evolution

Preheat cooking fire by lighting your three books on evolution. Make a tee pee structure before lighting so they burn thoroughly. Do this in a well ventilated space. If you are in your bunker, have you and your family don your gas masks while cooking.

Melt block of cheese in sauce pan. Sprinkle with potassium iodine and stir. Dip pieces of bread to eat. If pieces of bread aren't available, tear up the box your government cheese came in and dip them instead.

Bon Appetite!

/

Does that work, Charles?

(Thanks for the idea, Ward)

83 vxbush  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:15:58am

re: #67 Dave the.....

Every hear of Lincoln Nebraska? Or Lincoln Illinois? Our 16th President was named after one of those.

Are you sure it's not the other way around--that the towns were renamed after Lincoln was assassinated?

84 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:16:22am

Ya know I saw my 3 cats with little hobbo sticks and bags on them over their shoulders this AM near the back door?

85 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:16:43am

re: #48 astronmr20

"it only takes a spark..."

Doesn't the Weather Underground also use that phrase? IE the whole grassfire thing?

or a line from the Bruce Springsteen song, "I'm on Fire"

86 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:17:01am

re: #74 vxbush

I have no doubt that San Diego believes he is performing a noble task. It is a perversion of logic that allows such evil to be seen as good.

The logic only works if you accept that animals are superior to humans.

87 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:17:07am

re: #71 smokefire

Because the polo ponies are (usually) treated well and are not abused. Besides, the animal groups don't kill the animals--they set them free.

88 Dave the.....  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:17:08am

vxbush, I should have added sarcasm notes. I was trying to be silly.

89 astronmr20  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:17:15am

re: #81 Ward Cleaver

Hilarity would ensue.

I'd pay a lot of money to see that.

90 Kragar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:17:32am

re: #86 NukeAtomrod

The logic only works if you accept that animals are superior to humans.

They sure as hell taste a lot better, I'll grant you that.

91 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:17:39am

re: #68 nikis-knight

Whether or not he deserves to be there, I don't know, but I don't see where you're getting "top" from.

There's a most wanted terrorist list, my bad. It differs significantly from the "most wanted" list.
[Link: www.fbi.gov...]

They haven't moved this guy into the top terror list site yet, so this could be trial bubble, who knows?

92 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:17:47am

"The Onion" had a good one on this:
Heroic PETA Commandos Kill 49, Save Rabbit

93 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:18:05am

re: #82 That's Glenn Beck to you

So.

Now that the Obama Administration controls the FBI, I see that they have added a token liberal to the most wanted list to cover for the DHS.

Go ahead - hit me with your Birmingham fire hoses of downdings. I have my newly framed picture of my newly adopted hero Dr. King to look at while you hit me with your intolerance and closed mindedness.

And for those who can't wait for the next Apocalypse, Armageddon and Civil Insurrection Preparations Thread, here is another recipe from my forthcoming book, "101 Recipes With Government Cheese and Iodine - tasty treats that will make the end timee the best times."

Iodine Fondue -

1 block of government cheese
3 potassium iodine tablets, crushed
3 books on evolution

Preheat cooking fire by lighting your three books on evolution. Make a tee pee structure before lighting so they burn thoroughly. Do this in a well ventilated space. If you are in your bunker, have you and your family don your gas masks while cooking.

Melt block of cheese in sauce pan. Sprinkle with potassium iodine and stir. Dip pieces of bread to eat. If pieces of bread aren't available, tear up the box your government cheese came in and dip them instead.

Bon Appetite!

/

Does that work, Charles?

(Thanks for the idea, Ward)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

94 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:18:09am

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They sure as hell taste a lot better, I'll grant you that.

We discussed this yesterday.

95 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:18:18am

re: #88 Dave the.....

vxbush, I should have added sarcasm notes. I was trying to be silly.

Oh not to worry! I laughed my butt off.

;-)

96 The Other Les  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:18:28am

re: #87 calcajun

Because the polo ponies are (usually) treated well and are not abused. Besides, the animal groups don't kill the animals--they set them free.

Which isn't really healthy for them in the real world.

97 vxbush  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:18:29am

re: #88 Dave the.....

vxbush, I should have added sarcasm notes. I was trying to be silly.

Ah, sorry. Some may find the sarc tags unnecessary; I rather like them, as I can read postings in several different ways.

Plus I'm multitasking like crazy right now....

98 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:18:31am

re: #79 Kenneth

Daniel Andreas San Diego is the only non-Muslim on the list. For whatever reason.

Racism!

-CAIR

99 guy_philly  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:18:31am

"Daniel Andreas San Diego, a 31-year-old computer specialist from Berkeley, Calif., is wanted for the 2003 bombings of two corporate offices in California."

... but this animal rights activist's biggest offense was inciting lizards to mutiny in a chat room.

100 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:18:55am

re: #82 That's Glenn Beck to you

That's actually pretty funny. I can actually see him saying that in a sarcastic / snarky way.

101 kynna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:19:11am

Animal rights terrorists are so annoying. They often have no idea what they're talking about in regard to their campaign -- whether it be the particulars of the animals they seek to "save" or the nature of the research they seek to halt.

How many animals have died at their hands because they didn't think their actions through?

I know PETA is all about dead animals, but the others are even more moronic and all the more dangerous because of it.

102 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:19:12am

re: #91 Thanos

There's a most wanted terrorist list, my bad. It differs significantly from the "most wanted" list.
[Link: www.fbi.gov...]

They haven't moved this guy into the top terror list site yet, so this could be trial bubble, who knows?

Also my bad, there he is on the far right at the top.

103 nikis-knight  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:19:19am

re: #34 Thanos

They are certainly dangerous and destructive - we are more likely to see elevated activity from them as their sweeping goals go unrealized even though "their guys' are in power.... That said, our biggest threats still emanate from Iran and Pakistan.

That's definately true, but perhaps the most wanted list limits itself to the more influential in each group, with little overlap of different groups represented? And I wouldn't be surprised if it included state actors for geopolitical reasons.
Given that, I could see an ecoterrorist group being in the top 24, but I'm no expert.

One thing we can say is that our spook groups aren't all that bad, for all the bickering and redtape, most of the terror related attacks of the last 7 or so years have been individuals, sudden-jihad types.

104 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:19:26am

re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Another group hit the Hummer dealer over by Hotel Circle a few years back IIRC. Smashed in windows and torched a few hummers on the lot and sprayed earth day graffiti.

He was just upset because everyone else seemed to be getting hummers and he wasn't.

/

105 astronmr20  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:19:35am

re: #92 Abu Lahab

"The Onion" had a good one on this:
Heroic PETA Commandos Kill 49, Save Rabbit

"Look at the cute bunny," said PETA commando Shirley "No Mercy" Dorn, a Norfolk-area petcare volunteer and leader of the PETA strike force. Lovingly cradling the rescued rabbit as she walked past the charred and dismembered bodies of its captors, she added, "Look at his nose! Look at his nose!"

106 That's Glenn Beck to you  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:19:56am

re: #93 Ward Cleaver

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Rejection? Don't make me cry.

Dick Vermeil's attorneys have already contacted my show with a cease and desist. Seems he copyrighted the "male crying" thing a few years back.

/

107 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:20:00am
108 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:20:07am

re: #101 kynna

Animal rights terrorists are so annoying. They often have no idea what they're talking about in regard to their campaign -- whether it be the particulars of the animals they seek to "save" or the nature of the research they seek to halt.

How many animals have died at their hands because they didn't think their actions through?

I know PETA is all about dead animals, but the others are even more moronic and all the more dangerous because of it.

They also represent the extreme anti-science wing of the left.

109 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:20:10am

re: #102 Thanos

Also my bad, there he is on the far right at the top.

You see? They're lumping everyone into the "far right!"
/

110 astronmr20  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:20:29am

re: #99 guy_philly

"Daniel Andreas San Diego, a 31-year-old computer specialist from Berkeley, Calif., is wanted for the 2003 bombings of two corporate offices in California."

... but this animal rights activist's biggest offense was inciting lizards to mutiny in a chat room.

If he ever goes to prison, he'd better cover his Dan Andreas fault.

111 Dianna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:20:37am

re: #4 Honorary Yooper

Good. Regardless of whether on the right or the left, if you bomb places, you should go to jail.

I'm sure you got quoted lots, but that can't be said often enough.

Let's never forget that we believe in law.

112 The Other Les  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:20:56am

re: #107 Iron Fist

Hey, now! I resemble that remark!

(I don't really know how many tattoos I have. It depends on what you consider to be a tattoo as opposed to part of a larger tattoo. Suffice it to say that I have plenty of them, but not enough of them. I'm going to get another started tonight :-)

Whatever.

113 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:21:06am
114 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:22:04am

re: #110 astronmr20

If he ever goes to prison, he'd better cover his Dan Andreas fault.

That crack was uncalled for.

115 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:22:12am

re: #110 astronmr20
Sick. Wrong. Tastless...

UPDING!

116 Dianna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:22:19am

re: #113 buzzsawmonkey

Quick question: yesterday, you used "Fanon". Did you have to google, or did you come up with Fanon off the top of your head?

117 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:22:29am

re: #105 astronmr20

"Look at the cute bunny," said PETA commando Shirley "No Mercy" Dorn, a Norfolk-area petcare volunteer and leader of the PETA strike force. Lovingly cradling the rescued rabbit as she walked past the charred and dismembered bodies of its captors, she added, "Look at his nose! Look at his nose!"

I'm an animal lover too! I once joined an animal rights group that called itself

Hassenpfeffer

Imagine my surprise.

118 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:22:43am

Here's a 2004 article about Rodney Coronado at Consumer Freedom. He's the animal nut associated with PeTA that burned down Michigan State University research lab.

Penn & Teller Bullshit PETA
Warning Harsh Language and Offensive Video.
Part 1/4
Part 2/4
Part 3/4
Part 4/4

Rodney shows up at the end of 2/4 and the beginning of 3/4 demonstrating how to build fire bombs to students. These people are nuts right out there with White Supremacists, Muslim Terrorists, Nazis, and the Weatherman Underground.

119 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:23:06am

re: #116 Dianna

Quick question: yesterday, you used "Fanon". Did you have to google, or did you come up with Fanon off the top of your head?


Of course he had his Fanon. It was hot.

120 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:23:19am

re: #67 Dave the.....

Every hear of Lincoln Nebraska? Or Lincoln Illinois? Our 16th President was named after one of those.

Actually, Lincoln, Nebraska was named after the president .... a supposed slam at the city for not supporting his anti-slavery position.

121 nikis-knight  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:23:27am

re: #103 nikis-knight
pimf, included should be excluded. I hate antonym typos!

122 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:23:30am
123 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:23:51am

re: #42 Oh no...Sand People!

He and his sister, Carmen, are both in hiding.

Where in the world could they be?
/

Waldo's crib

124 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:24:00am

re: #118 Idle Drifter

I just posted that above, but I forgot to warn against the language - thanks for that. It's a must-see.

125 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:24:05am

The good news is that I don't think he "displaced" anyone off the list, he just got added to it now that I look closer.

A group calling itself "Revolutionary Cells" took responsibility for the blasts, telling followers in a series of e-mails that Chiron and Shaklee had been targeted for their ties to a research company that conducted drug and chemical experiments on animals.

Officials have offered a $250,000 reward for information leading to his capture, five times the reward amounts offered for other so-called eco-terrorists wanted in the U.S.

In February, the FBI announced San Diego may be living in Costa Rica, possibly working with Americans or people who speak English in the Central American country.

Law enforcement officials describe San Diego as a strict vegan who possesses a 9mm handgun. On his abdomen, he has images of burning and collapsing buildings.

The FBI's "Most Wanted" terrorist list is distinct from the much longer-running "Ten Most Wanted" list. Al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden is on both.

126 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:24:17am

re: #87 calcajun

Because the polo ponies are (usually) treated well and are not abused. Besides, the animal groups don't kill the animals--they set them free.

Like those cases where mink are released, make their way to a nearby highway, and are promptly run over.

127 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:24:29am

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

Top of the head, like all of them. The only time I do a search is if I need the original lyrics of a song I'm disemboweling decomposing.

FIFY

128 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:25:01am

I would have thought that an animal rights terrorist from Berkeley would be a lot weirder-looking. I was thinking dreadlocks - always a great look when you're not Black - at least. But he looks very ordinary. I probably wouldn't recognize him if I bumped into him on the street.

129 vxbush  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:25:06am

re: #120 eschew_obfuscation

Actually, Lincoln, Nebraska was named after the president .... a supposed slam at the city for not supporting his anti-slavery position.

Aha! See, I'm not the only one who misunderstood your humor! Sarc tags are good. Repeat after me: sarc tags are good.

130 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:25:08am

re: #117 subsailor68

Image: jimmy_harvey.jpg

Take that Subsailor...........LOL

131 Big Steve  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:25:10am

re: #82 That's Glenn Beck to you

Did not understand this post whatsoever.....WTF

132 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:25:11am

re: #118 Idle Drifter

Rodney Coronado

Daniel San Diego?

What's next?
Linda Vista
Jorge El Cajon
Tom La Mesa

(it's a San Diego thing)

133 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:25:53am

re: #67 Dave the.....

Every hear of Lincoln Nebraska? Or Lincoln Illinois? Our 16th President was named after one of those.

And poor Lou Gehrig, dying of "Lou Gehrig's Disease"... I mean, what are the odds?!

134 kynna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:25:58am

re: #108 Thanos

They also represent the extreme anti-science wing of the left.

And that is a very large wing. I can't believe how much research they want to block. And I don't mean end gov't funding, I mean block. They want to put "Big Pharma" out of business. They want military R&D ended (that would end wars, doncha know). They want space exploration halted. Frankly, from what I've seen here in CA, they want people to just go away.

And the psychos have wayyyy too much power.

135 Kragar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:26:01am

re: #126 Ward Cleaver

Like those cases where mink are released, make their way to a nearby highway, and are promptly run over.

Seems like the only thing the ALF does well is getting animals killed.

136 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:26:01am

re: #132 calcajun

Daniel San Diego?

What's next?
Linda Vista
Jorge El Cajon
Tom La Mesa

(it's a San Diego thing)

Phil A. Delphia?

137 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:26:18am

re: #130 smokefire

[Link: web.rollins.edu...]

Take that Subsailor...........LOL

Great photo! Great movie!

;-)

138 Kragar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:26:40am

re: #132 calcajun

Daniel San Diego?

What's next?
Linda Vista
Jorge El Cajon
Tom La Mesa

(it's a San Diego thing)

Jesus Chulajuana

139 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:27:04am

re: #136 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Phil A. Delphia?

Miss Issippi and her twin cousins the Misses Sippi

140 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:27:18am

re: #133 Occasional Reader

And poor Lou Gehrig, dying of "Lou Gehrig's Disease"... I mean, what are the odds?!

Speaking of, any updates on Steven Hawking? They showed the Simpsons episode with his guest appearance last night.

141 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:27:39am

re: #126 Ward Cleaver

Yep-them's the ones.

I like the story I read some years back where a couple at a wedding released doves as part of the ceremony --one of which was promptly jumped and eaten by a hawk.

142 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:28:20am

re: #140 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Speaking of, any updates on Steven Hawking? They showed the Simpsons episode with his guest appearance last night.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-04-20-hawking_N.htm

143 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:28:30am

re: #132 calcajun

Daniel San Diego?

What's next?
Linda Vista
Jorge El Cajon
Tom La Mesa

(it's a San Diego thing)

Pete Poway
Ellen Browning Scripps (Oops, that's a real one.)

144 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:28:36am

re: #133 Occasional Reader

And poor Lou Gehrig, dying of "Lou Gehrig's Disease"... I mean, what are the odds?!

I thought it was Gary Cooper?

/

145 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:28:38am

re: #140 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Speaking of, any updates on Steven Hawking? They showed the Simpsons episode with his guest appearance last night.

It's looking good:

Hawking set to recover from chest infection

146 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:28:47am

re: #139 DaddyG

Miss Issippi and her twin cousins the Misses Sippi

Of course, there's always the Islamist, Al Abama.

147 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:28:54am
148 Dianna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:29:13am

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

Top of the head, like all of them. The only time I do a search is if I need the original lyrics of a song I'm disemboweling.

You're my hero!

Back to work.

149 Lincolntf  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:29:14am

At least this alert is about a real person with an actual name. That's a step up.

As for "Animal Rights", my cats have established a right to pretty much everything in my house, and the squirrels and birds have siezed dominion of my backyard and I've got no problem with it.
But cows, pigs and poultry have a right to salt and pepper, and that's about it.

150 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:29:25am

re: #141 calcajun

Yep-them's the ones.

I like the story I read some years back where a couple at a wedding released doves as part of the ceremony --one of which was promptly jumped and eaten by a hawk.

Sorry 'bout that. I was hungry.

151 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:29:39am

re: #140 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Speaking of, any updates on Steven Hawking? They showed the Simpsons episode with his guest appearance last night.

According to the reports I've seen, he's going to be OK. I posted one of the articles in the dead thread spinoff links (General section).

152 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:29:43am

re: #149 Lincolntf

At least this alert is about a real person with an actual name. That's a step up.

As for "Animal Rights", my cats have established a right to pretty much everything in my house, and the squirrels and birds have siezed dominion of my backyard and I've got no problem with it.
But cows, pigs and poultry have a right to salt and pepper, and that's about it.

And BBQ sauce.

153 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:29:57am

re: #141 calcajun

Yep-them's the ones.

I like the story I read some years back where a couple at a wedding released doves as part of the ceremony --one of which was promptly jumped and eaten by a hawk.

I remember the joke before the '96 Atlanta Olympics, that hunters would be waiting for the white doves to be released.

/blam!

154 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:30:00am

re: #152 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Speaking of, its off to lunch!

155 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:31:12am

re: #6 vxbush

His last name is really San Diego? Forgive me, but I don't know too many people who have names that come from famous towns. I've never met a Mr. Chicago, for example.

Let's not forget Dr. Manhattan.

156 Kragar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:31:15am

re: #143 CyanSnowHawk

Pete Poway
Ellen Browning Scripps (Oops, that's a real one.)

So is Linda Vista

157 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:31:27am

A bomb kills regardless of the right or the left ideology standing behind it. I applaud the FBI and DHS for doing their job, and it's dangerous to label their work and politicize it.
If Al Qaeda is more dangerous than all other nuts , that does not mean the other nuts should not be watched or that they will sit idle while the FBI or the DHS is busy with terrorists.

158 KenJen  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:31:29am

It's Andrea's fault.

159 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:31:37am

re: #155 SixDegrees

Let's not forget Dr. Manhattan.

There's always Doc. Hollywood.

160 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:32:04am

re: #149 Lincolntf A repeat post from yesterday but oddly appropriate now...

I like fat back and I can not lie
You piggies are great to fry
That when a sow walks in with that salty taste
And that sizzling in your face
You start drooling
Wanna get that poke
Cuz you notice that butt was smoked
Bacon in the pan its stewing
I'm hooked on the Bar-be-que-ing
Oh, baby I wanna get crispy
And make a BLT
It aint Kosher or Halal
But that rack you got
could make me fall...

161 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:32:14am

re: #124 Abu Lahab

I just posted that above, but I forgot to warn against the language - thanks for that. It's a must-see.

Yeah, you beat me to it.

162 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:33:06am

Next time ALF "frees" some small animals, someone should send them a letter:

Thank you for those nice treats.
The Wolves.

163 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:33:07am

Israel's former chief rabbi, Yisrael Lau, on Tuesday invited Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to come and visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem to see for himself proof of the Nazi's deliberate murder of six million Jews.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Personally I don't want his vile feet on such sacred ground!

164 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:33:10am

re: #158 KenJen

It's Andrea's fault.

I though the fault was Sans Andrea.

165 smokefire  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:33:37am

re: #133 Occasional Reader

somebody's been watching the Soprano's again.

Christopher, re: #153 Ward Cleaver

I can't find the video for that Ward, Help me out here

166 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:33:59am

re: #159 Honorary Yooper

There's always Doc. Hollywood.

And Doc Holiday Inn Express. Famous for his ability to handle a fast checkout.

167 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:34:09am

re: #149 Lincolntf

At least this alert is about a real person with an actual name. That's a step up.

As for "Animal Rights", my cats have established a right to pretty much everything in my house, and the squirrels and birds have siezed dominion of my backyard and I've got no problem with it.
But cows, pigs and poultry have a right to salt and pepper, and that's about it.

I think chicken has a right to hot sauce, as well.

168 astronmr20  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:34:47am

"Where in the world is.... (Dan San Diego!)"

169 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:35:01am

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow

Next time ALF "frees" some small animals, someone should send them a letter:

Thank you for those nice treats.
The Wolves.

Speaking of "nice treats", I would just like to see some ALF fools "liberate" some polar bears or tigers from a zoo.

170 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:35:08am

re: #53 Occasional Reader

Not really.


Top row?

171 Lincolntf  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:35:12am

re: #167 Kosh's Shadow

Hot sauce is a privilege, not a right.

172 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:35:46am

re: #167 Kosh's Shadow

I think chicken has a right to hot sauce, as well.

Protest sign: Fricasee Chicken Little!

173 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:36:06am

re: #169 Kenneth

Speaking of "nice treats", I would just like to see some ALF fools "liberate" some polar bears or tigers from a zoo.

At least we'd be able to find out who did it, from DNA analysis of the bones.

174 yma o hyd  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:36:13am

re: #167 Kosh's Shadow

I think chicken has a right to hot sauce, as well.

And any self-respecting lamb will insist on its right to mint sauce!

175 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:36:17am

Why does the DHS hate animals?
/

176 subsailor68  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:36:37am

re: #167 Kosh's Shadow

I think chicken has a right to hot sauce, as well.

How about turkeys?

Youtube Video
177 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:36:45am

FOX News: Judge says Blago can't go to Costa Rica to shoot TV show.

178 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:37:05am

re: #172 DaddyG

Protest sign: Fricasee Chicken Little!

Or how about some "Secret sauce"?
It turned the mild-mannered chicken, Henry Cabot Henhouse, III, into Super Chicken.

179 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:37:21am

re: #11 Thanos

While no doubt ALF are terrorists and politically expedient for the right, I think Al Qaida is emminently more dangerous.

The FBI list is not prioritized. They would be happy to get any or all of the fugitives.

180 robdouth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:37:21am
Authorities describe San Diego as an animal rights activist who turned to bomb attacks and say he has tattoo that proclaims, “It only takes a spark.”

I describe San Diego as a beautiful city in Southern California with a wonderful zoo and climate to die for year round.

181 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:37:30am

re: #177 Nevergiveup

FOX News: Judge says Blago can't go to Costa Rica to shoot TV show.

How fitting for an animal rights thread.

182 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:37:33am

re: #177 Nevergiveup

FOX News: Judge says Blago can't go to Costa Rica to shoot TV show.

Hahahaha! How much cash can you get into a carry on bag?

183 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:37:40am

re: #149 Lincolntf

But cows, pigs and poultry have a right to salt and pepper, and that's about it.

I must insist that cows, pigs and poulty also have a right to unlimited quantities and varieties of hot sauce.

184 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:37:48am

re: #167 Kosh's Shadow

re: #171 Lincolntf

When you search for PETA in Google, you come across this site:
People Eating Tasty Animals
PETA sued them for the domain name, as I know. They are PEAT's worst nightmare

185 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:38:08am

re: #177 Nevergiveup

FOX News: Judge says Blago can't go to Costa Rica to shoot TV show.

To quote Nelson of The Simpsons,

Ha-ha!

186 mikalm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:38:08am

Apparently Mr. San Diego grew up in Belvedere, Marin County, which is probably the wealthiest area of one of America's wealthiest counties.

Just like Bill Ayers -- another spoiled rich kid displacing his Daddy Issues via bombs and terror.

187 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:38:21am

re: #35 smokefire

I am wondering if the Polo Pony deaths are tied to any radical Animal Activist?

That was the first thing that crossed my mind. The ALF regards pets, livestock and animals like racehorses to be slaves. Really. From there, it's just a short skip to the idea that they're better off dead than living in slavery. And in most cases, those deaths also extract a financial loss from their owners.

It's a horrendously convoluted bit of post-rationalization for their actions, which nearly always wind up killing or harming the animals they claim to be "helping," whether by setting them free or, in cases like this one, killing them overtly.

If it was related to such a group. No evidence yet. But the possibility is, I would say, extremely strong.

188 Buck  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:38:29am

re: #163 Nevergiveup

Israel's former chief rabbi, Yisrael Lau, on Tuesday invited Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to come and visit the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem to see for himself proof of the Nazi's deliberate murder of six million Jews.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Personally I don't want his vile feet on such sacred ground!

Basically Ahmadinejad's answer is that he watched a movie the other day where Americans walked on Mars.... he didn't believe that really happened either....

Holocaust denial, Truthers, Nirthers, flat earth society, Kennedy assassination .... all the same basic concept....

189 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:38:32am

re: #173 Kosh's Shadow

At least we'd be able to find out who did it, from DNA analysis of the bones.

...or the piercing studs found in stools.

190 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:38:45am

re: #176 subsailor68

How about turkeys?


[Video]

Turkeys have a right to cranberry sauce.
(BTW, we have a flock of wild turkeys that live in the hill behind our house, and one of our dogs really wants to try to catch one. Fortunately, he won't go through the invisible fence, and the turkeys are smart enough not to go near barking dogs.

191 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:39:11am

re: #159 Honorary Yooper

There's always Doc. Hollywood.

And Doctor Detroit!

People with city names seem to hold a disproportionate number of advanced degrees.

192 kynna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:39:36am

Ugh! Watch for the coming cult of personality for this pirate prick.

193 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:39:50am

What about hamsters?

194 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:39:52am

re: #179 Kenneth

The FBI list is not prioritized. They would be happy to get any or all of the fugitives.

Yes, I get that. Putting him up top brings more prominence to the public eye, but decreases prominence for others. I agree that it's not going to lessen FBI efforts on any of them, but it does affect public perceptions. And you know how the blogosphere operates, except for this site and a few others it's all about perception rather than substance.

195 Lincolntf  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:40:10am

re: #183 Leonidas Hoplite

Our interpretations of the founding menu differ.
This should be brought to the Supreme Food Court.

196 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:40:13am

re: #189 Kenneth

...or the piercing studs found in stools.

If they would shave and take a bath every once in a while they wouldn't be tranquilized and tagged by game wardens so often. /

197 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:40:37am

re: #193 MandyManners

Hamsters run the non-stoppable LGF wheel, we should be nice to them.

198 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:41:32am

It's a good thing, yes.

But just to be a nudnik, I'll write the following.

There is a difference between this and the DHS report.

This guy already committed acts of violence. That's why he's on the list. Not because he had the potential to do so.

Whatever.

Terrorists are terrorists, left, right or CHINESE MUSLIM.

199 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:41:33am

Emalied FNC Alert...

OBAMA SAYS HE'S OPEN TO PROBE OF TERROR SUSPECT INTERROGATIONS

200 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:42:08am

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow

Next time ALF "frees" some small animals, someone should send them a letter:

Thank you for those nice treats.
The Wolves.

That is most often exactly what happens. The idiots "liberated" a mink farm not far from here a few years ago; hundreds of minks died from cold, starvation and thirst, having no experience at all with living in the wild. Hundreds more were hit by cars, killed by cats and dogs and became tasty snacks for various wild animals.

201 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:43:13am

re: #192 kynna

Ugh! Watch for the coming cult of personality for this pirate prick.

Interesting defense: Violation of principles of truce in warfare on the high seas.

Fair enough, next time we'll shoot first and then offer to negotiate . . .the return of the bodies.

202 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:43:30am

re: #192 kynna

Ugh! Watch for the coming cult of personality for this pirate prick.

It is extraordinarily rare for the U.S. government to try teenagers with crimes

That's a lie. The entire article is slanted to generate sympathy for this man.

203 yma o hyd  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:43:44am

re: #200 SixDegrees

That is most often exactly what happens. The idiots "liberated" a mink farm not far from here a few years ago; hundreds of minks died from cold, starvation and thirst, having no experience at all with living in the wild. Hundreds more were hit by cars, killed by cats and dogs and became tasty snacks for various wild animals.

Ah - but they died 'free', not as slaves for some evil capitalist animal-hater!

//

204 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:43:52am

re: #193 MandyManners

What about hamsters?


(I think that's actually a guinea pig.)

205 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:43:55am

re: #169 Kenneth

Speaking of "nice treats", I would just like to see some ALF fools "liberate" some polar bears or tigers from a zoo.

Sort of happened last week on "Fringe," when some animal activist kooks "liberated" something they shouldn't have. Much to the show's credit, the liberators came to a grisly end.

206 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:43:59am

re: #200 SixDegrees

That is most often exactly what happens. The idiots "liberated" a mink farm not far from here a few years ago; hundreds of minks died from cold, starvation and thirst, having no experience at all with living in the wild. Hundreds more were hit by cars, killed by cats and dogs and became tasty snacks for various wild animals.

/but they were free

207 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:44:45am

Anyone see this?

Gavin Newsom has just announced that he is running for Governor of California on....DKos.

208 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:44:48am

re: #202 MandyManners

It is extraordinarily rare for the U.S. government to try teenagers with crimes

That's a lie. The entire article is slanted to generate sympathy for this man.

Something tells me that that Somali 16 year old, is a bit more mature, hardened, and "older" than American soft 16 year olds.

Suddenly, he'll be a child.

209 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:45:23am

re: #199 tfc3rid

Emalied FNC Alert...

OBAMA SAYS HE'S OPEN TO PROBE OF TERROR SUSPECT INTERROGATIONS

If he tries that the Republicans will fight him tooth and nail on every nomination,bill, and issue. Or at least they should. That would really be the equivalent of a political deceleration of war.

210 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:45:39am

re: #202 MandyManners

It is extraordinarily rare for the U.S. government to try teenagers with crimes

That's a lie. The entire article is slanted to generate sympathy for this man.


And may I say that you're looking damn good today.

211 Buck  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:46:01am

re: #201 Creeping Eruption

Interesting defense: Violation of principles of truce in warfare on the high seas.

Fair enough, next time we'll shoot first and then offer to negotiate . . .the return of the bodies.

If the Pirate says "Parlay", then you can't kill him.... Stick to the code!

212 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:46:19am

re: #202 MandyManners

It is extraordinarily rare for the U.S. government to try teenagers with crimes

That's a lie. The entire article is slanted to generate sympathy for this man.

Someone should take this idiot reporter to court sometime. Teenagers get tried in both juvenile court, and, for really serious crimes (such as piracy), in adult court.
What a maroon.

213 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:46:23am

re: #193 MandyManners

Not really enough meat to justify eating.

Plus they taste gamy.

214 Dianna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:46:32am

re: #207 NJDhockeyfan

Anyone see this?

Gavin Newsom has just announced that he is running for Governor of California on....DKos.

Big surprise, there.

I sincerely hope my fellow Californians have better sense than to elect Gavin. He's done an abysmal job with San Francisco. Though - to be absolutely fair - with this Board of Supervisors, it's doubtful anyone could do much better.

I mean, Chris Daley, for pity's sake!

215 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:46:49am

Update: Stephen Hawking Expected to Make Full Recovery


Physicist Stephen Hawking is expected to make a full recovery, according to a statement printed on his Web site.

"Professor Hawking is being kept in for observation at Addenbrooke's hospital this morning," the Hawking.org Web site states. "He is comfortable and his family is looking forward to him making a full recovery."

Good news.

216 Kragar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:47:11am

re: #202 MandyManners

"I appeal to President Obama to pardon my teenager; I request him to release my son or at least allow me to see him and be with him during the trial," Adar Abdirahman Hassan said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press from her home in Galkayo town in Somalia.

The boy's father, Abdiqadir Muse, said the pirates lied to his son, telling him they were going to get money. The family is penniless, he said.

"He just went with them without knowing what he was getting into," Muse said in a separate telephone interview with the AP through an interpreter.

What a load of utter and complete crap

217 robdouth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:47:21am

re: #192 kynna

Ugh! Watch for the coming cult of personality for this pirate prick.

The prick is smiling because whatever "prison" they have him in will be better than the shithole he came from and he'll probably end up not being prosecuted for anything and become a resident of our great country.

218 mikalm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:47:33am

re: #208 Ben Hur

Something tells me that that Somali 16 year old, is a bit more mature, hardened, and "older" than American soft 16 year olds.

Suddenly, he'll be a child.

How many 16 YO sociopathic murderers are roaming the streets of American cities, or locked up in our correctional facilities?

219 Kragar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:47:51am

re: #211 Buck

If the Pirate says "Parlay", then you can't kill him.... Stick to the code!

Its more of a guideline than a code

220 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:48:02am

All this far right/far left/stuck in the middle talk has reminded me of "Chesty" Puller's quote:

"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time."
221 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:48:05am

re: #207 NJDhockeyfan

The Tea Party/Republicans have turned on Arnold so the guy probably has a pretty good chance.

222 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:48:20am

re: #217 robdouth

The prick is smiling because whatever "prison" they have him in will be better than the shithole he came from and he'll probably end up not being prosecuted for anything and become a resident of our great country.

And, since the only skill he knows is robbery, he'll get arrested, and we'll have more stories about how hard life is for him.

223 badger1970  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:48:43am

re: #117 subsailor68

What? Didn't Loony Toons teach you anything? ;)

224 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:49:04am

They have phones in Somalia?!?

But....but....but...theysaid.....

225 mikalm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:49:11am

re: #214 Dianna

Big surprise, there.

I sincerely hope my fellow Californians have better sense than to elect Gavin. He's done an abysmal job with San Francisco. Though - to be absolutely fair - with this Board of Supervisors, it's doubtful anyone could do much better.

I mean, Chris Daley, for pity's sake!

And don't forget Gerardo "the US doesn't need a military" Sandoval.

226 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:49:39am

Anyone seen this today? At least we know what China is going to do with all those spare male children in a few years.

Martin Walker of the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington...notes that Russia's declining fertility is magnified by "a phenomenon so extreme that it has given rise to an ominous new term -- hypermortality." Because of rampant HIV/AIDS, extreme drug-resistant tuberculosis, alcoholism and the deteriorating health-care system, a U.N. report says "mortality in Russia is three to five times higher for men and twice as high for women" as in other countries at a comparable stage of development. The report, Walker says, "predicts that within little more than a decade the working-age population will be shrinking by up to 1 million people annually." Be that as it may, "Russia is suffering a demographic decline on a scale that is normally associated with the effects of a major war."

According to projections by the United Nations Population Division, Russia's population, which was around 143 million four years ago, might be as high as 136 million or as low as 121 million in 2025, and as low as 115 million in 2030.

227 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:49:49am

re: #202 MandyManners

It is extraordinarily rare for the U.S. government to try teenagers with crimes

That's a lie. The entire article is slanted to generate sympathy for this man.

Sympathy... True... Instead of being 'tried', this punk, criminal terrorist should be at the bottom of the sea.

228 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:50:21am

re: #221 Killgore Trout

The Tea Party/Republicans have turned on Arnold so the guy probably has a pretty good chance.

I don't think Arnold can run anymore (term limited).

229 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:50:22am

re: #218 mikalm

How many 16 YO sociopathic murderers are roaming the streets of American cities, or locked up in our correctional facilities?

Would you define the somali as a sociopathic murderer?

230 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:50:40am

Over 100 countries reaffirm Durban I condemnation of Israel

231 zeebeach  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:50:49am

re: #15 Charles

You may not see that at this site, but I saw it over at Hotair almost immediately.

232 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:50:54am

The pirate seems to be enjoying all the attention and flashlights.
Look at this video
Notice the BBC caption

"A Somali teenager captured by the US during the rescue of an American sea captain from pirates is due to appear in a federal court in New York."


I thought they would call him "youth"

233 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:50:55am

re: #228 tfc3rid

Ah.

234 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:50:59am
re: #150 CyanSnowHawk

re: #141 calcajun

Yep-them's the ones.

I like the story I read some years back where a couple at a wedding released doves as part of the ceremony --one of which was promptly jumped and eaten by a hawk.

Sorry 'bout that. I was hungry.

I think that little exchange should go into the next LGF Cookbook.

235 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:51:14am

re: #208 Ben Hur

Something tells me that that Somali 16 year old, is a bit more mature, hardened, and "older" than American soft 16 year olds.

Suddenly, he'll be a child.

Did you read it? The bias is incredibly stunning. There is nothing but expression of sympathy for him, and defiance for the law. Out of all the reporters working on this story, you'd think someone could find a source sympathetic to the law. In addition to Virginia Byrne, there are
Tom Hays in Riverside, Calif.; Devlin Barrett in Washington; Larry Neumeister and Jennifer Peltz in New York; Ashley Thomas in Philadelphia; and Malkhadir M. Muhumed in Nairobi, Kenya,

236 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:51:31am

re: #159 Honorary Yooper

There's always Doc. Hollywood.

And Doctor Detroit.

237 robdouth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:51:33am

re: #222 Kosh's Shadow

And, since the only skill he knows is robbery, he'll get arrested, and we'll have more stories about how hard life is for him.

Well if he were arrested again it would be because of the racist police and the racist justice system, and he's the product of a poor Somali home. I swear liberals are like Chris Farley on the Hurlihy boy sketch from SNL with Adam Sandler. "For God Sakes, he's just a boy, let him sleep in your bed! You're not going to be there, what do you care?!"

238 Neutral President  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:51:52am

re: #221 Killgore Trout

The Tea Party/Republicans have turned on Arnold so the guy probably has a pretty good chance.

Arnold cant run again. Gavin Newsom is persona non grata among a lot of the pro-prop 8 democrats too.

239 nikis-knight  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:51:53am

re: #174 yma o hyd

And any self-respecting lamb will insist on its right to mint sauce!


I think we can reach an agreement on expanding condiment-related animal rights across the board.

240 mikalm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:52:16am

re: #229 Ben Hur

Would you define the somali as a sociopathic murderer?

Not necessarily. My point is that there are plenty of hardened 16 YOs here as well.

241 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:52:47am

re: #203 yma o hyd

Ah - but they died 'free', not as slaves for some evil capitalist animal-hater!

//

I'm sure they were comforted by that fact as they were being squashed to a pulp by a Mack truck, or being eaten alive by raccoons.

242 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:53:16am

re: #208 Ben Hur

Something tells me that that Somali 16 year old, is a bit more mature, hardened, and "older" than American soft 16 year olds.

Suddenly, he'll be a child.

I thought they had found evidence he was actually 19. Where does he get his birth certificate, the Chinese gymnastics team?

243 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:53:40am

Although PETA is over the top and jumped the shark many years ago, I for one am thankful that their visibility has brought about real changes to how livestock is treated. All of the jokes about what sauce to go with which meat aside, I don't think any of us would like to watch how an animal goes from being alive to being on our supermarket shelves. PETA made veal lovers rightly squirm over the horrific conditions a calf endured until butchered. Ditto with fois gras lovers. And the methods used for killing a furred animal for their pelt makes every mink on an actress a sick joke. Horse racing, circuses, small zoos were notorious for abusive environments for animals. There is MUCH more regulation now that helps prevent such sick abuse.

244 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:53:54am

re: #230 Creeping Eruption

Over 100 countries reaffirm Durban I condemnation of Israel

I like the last 2 paragraphs:

The UN said it expelled 13 people from the conference, including members of Jewish and Iranian groups that disrupted Ahmadinejad's speech. It first said 375 people had been tossed out, but later called it a mistake to bar individuals not directly linked to Monday's disruptions.

"At the United Nations we demand that conferences and debates be held in a spirit of mutual respect and dignity," Heuze said.


So, Ahmadinejad's speech involved "respect and dignity"? He should have been escorted out of the hall along with the rest of the Iranian delegation.

245 AMER1CAN  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:53:57am

Maybe Yale can see about getting him into their college.

/spit

246 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:54:15am

Now that conservatives have mainstreamed Ron Paul he's all over the MSM today....
Ron Paul Explains Why Texas Seceding from America Isn't at All Un-American

247 Kragar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:54:24am

re: #230 Creeping Eruption

Over 100 countries reaffirm Durban I condemnation of Israel

Over 100 countries no longer to receive US aid

/wishful thinking

248 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:54:27am

re: #101 kynna

Animal rights terrorists are so annoying. They often have no idea what they're talking about in regard to their campaign -- whether it be the particulars of the animals they seek to "save" or the nature of the research they seek to halt.

How many animals have died at their hands because they didn't think their actions through?

Here's a recent, egregious case:

The last known jaguar in Arizona was euthanized in a zoo after being captured in a snare.

The fact of this breathtaking loss to the state's natural heritage cannot rest in peace.

The circumstances of the death of the jaguar known as Macho B are too murky. Federal and state investigations should determine if the treatment of this animal was simply astonishing carelessness or a violation of federal law.

[ ... ]

If accidental, the capture was careless.

But what if it wasn't accidental? A researcher says female jaguar scent was spread in the area of the snare that caught Macho B. Janay Brun, a member of the Borderlands Jaguar Detection Project, says a Game and Fish employee was there and knew.

Game and Fish says it "did not authorize or condone the intentional initial capture of this jaguar," and that it will cooperate with the investigation and "take appropriate measures if any misconduct is revealed," says department information officer Tom Cadden.

Attorney General Terry Goddard's office and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service are investigating.

Macho B was subsequently recaptured and quickly euthanized. The public was told he had severe kidney failure.

But a pathologist at the University of Arizona's Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory suggests he was put down too fast. Intravenous hydration might have saved him, says the UA's Sharon Dial.

Rep. Raul Grijalva, who has asked for the federal investigation, wonders what information was lost due to the decision to do only a limited autopsy on the animal so that his skin could be preserved.

249 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:54:49am

I don't care how old he is. A 10 year old can kill someone with an AK-47 just as much as a 40 year old. Piracy is piracy no matter how old you are.

250 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:54:54am

re: #247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Over 100 countries no longer to receive US aid

/wishful thinking

Amen

251 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:55:04am

re: #230 Creeping Eruption

Over 100 countries reaffirm Durban I condemnation of Israel

Change!

252 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:55:31am

Is there no way to get Ann "Orexia" Coulter out of the banner ads?

253 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:55:44am

re: #249 ConservatismNow!

I don't care how old he is. A 10 year old can kill someone with an AK-47 just as much as a 40 year old. Piracy is piracy no matter how old you are.

Probably better

254 robdouth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:55:51am
I think we can reach an agreement on expanding condiment-related animal rights across the board.

This line of argument reminds me of when Martina Navritalova (Sp?) got all bent out of shape when scientists were studying how to "cure" sheep of being gay so that their owners could get more sheep out of them. She claimed it was their right to be gay sheep. I thought it could have been an onion headline.

Won't anyone think of the sheeps' feelings?re: #239 nikis-knight

255 Lincolntf  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:56:01am

re: #230 Creeping Eruption

Pathetic.

256 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:56:16am

re: #252 Cato the Elder

Is there no way to get Ann "Orexia" Coulter out of the banner ads?

Use Firefox, and AdBlock Plus.

257 mikalm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:56:34am

re: #243 Russkilitlover

I suppose that's the one benefit of radicalism -- it gets people to look at real abuses and injustices, and lets more moderate groups push through reforms. The problem is that radicalism becomes a self-justifying, self-perpetuating force, and usually ends up hurting people in pursuit of some unattainable ideal.

258 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:56:50am

re: #252 Cato the Elder

Is there no way to get Ann "Orexia" Coulter out of the banner ads?

Try to think think of it this way: That ad costs her money.

259 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:57:08am

re: #258 Killgore Trout

Try to think think of it this way: That ad costs her money.

Or her publishing company

260 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:57:52am

19:45 Britain planning to review all arms exports to Israel (AP)

This guy Gordon Brown is some asshole. He almost makes Obama look go..... go....can't say it sorry

261 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:57:56am

re: #15 Charles

Waiting for the first person to claim that the FBI is "covering" for the DHS report by adding this guy to the list ... 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

Charles -

Assuming the accusations to be true, this is a fellow deserving "Public Enemy" status, irrespective of who runs the DoJ.

-S-

262 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:57:59am

re: #256 Ward Cleaver

Use Firefox, and AdBlock Plus.

AdBlock Plus, eh? First I've heard of it. Giving it a try right now!

263 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:58:23am

re: #258 Killgore Trout

Try to think think of it this way: That ad costs her money.

Just don't click on it.

264 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:58:23am

re: #128 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I would have thought that an animal rights terrorist from Berkeley would be a lot weirder-looking. I was thinking dreadlocks - always a great look when you're not Black - at least. But he looks very ordinary. I probably wouldn't recognize him if I bumped into him on the street.

He looks like he drinks a lot of expensive wine and appreciates the rich aroma of his own flatus.

265 Lincolntf  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:58:39am

Holy crap. Some HS kid in Florida has thrown four consecutive no-hitters, including 60 K's.
And it's not even a record.

266 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:58:44am

re: #262 Cato the Elder

AdBlock Plus, eh? First I've heard of it. Giving it a try right now!

It's sweet.

267 AMER1CAN  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:58:59am

re: #258 Killgore Trout

Try to think think of it this way: That ad costs her money.

If you ask me it looks like she has been buying keywords with those ham sandwiches she is supposed to be eating!

268 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:59:06am

re: #257 mikalm

I suppose that's the one benefit of radicalism -- it gets people to look at real abuses and injustices, and lets more moderate groups push through reforms. The problem is that radicalism becomes a self-justifying, self-perpetuating force, and usually ends up hurting people in pursuit of some unattainable ideal.

Maybe so, but I won't join in on the voices that scoff that animals are just dumb creatures that we can do with whatever we want.

269 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:59:14am

The founder of the Minute Men is going to run against McCain in the Republican primary in 2010. Good for him.

270 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:59:16am

Meanwhile,
Hamasshole Mashaal to address British parliament

Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal is set to address a meeting of MPs and peers in the British parliament via a videoconference from Damascus on Wednesday.
Organized by independent MP Clare Short, a former Labour MP and government minister, and under the auspices of Lord John Alderdice, a Liberal Democrat peer, the meeting is set to discuss the notion that there can be no peace in the Middle East without talking to wiping out the Islamist organization.


I corrected the statement for them.

271 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:59:27am

Meanwhile, over at [Link: www.thenation.com,...] Naomi Klein is having a hopeover.

As in hangover, not sleepover.

272 zombie  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 9:59:32am

I thought Daniel Andreas San Diego was already on the FBI most wanted list. He's pretty famous, and he was on the "America's Most Wanted" show a whole bunch of times over the years.

I've been by the building that he tried to blow up -- Chiron, in Emeryville, where they design the most terrifying bioweapon of all: vaccines!

(I think San Diego hated them because they tested the vaccines on rats instead of on humans. What sadists!)

273 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:00:10am

re: #270 Kosh's Shadow

Meanwhile,
Hamasshole Mashaal to address British parliament


I corrected the statement for them.

The british are going over the edge?

274 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:00:11am

re: #230 Creeping Eruption

Over 100 countries reaffirm Durban I condemnation of Israel

And then there is this gem:

Mashaal to address British Parliment

275 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:00:12am

Interestingly enough, AdBlock Plus doesn't block Charles's Endless ad. I could right-click and block it, but I won't. I might want to buy something from them.

276 Rancher  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:00:16am
It only takes a spark to get a fire going, and soon all those around can warm up in its glowing, that’s how it is with God’s love….

Somehow I don't think his tat is in reference to that song. Didn't Ayers or Alinsky mention a "spark"?

277 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:00:36am

re: #199 tfc3rid

Emalied FNC Alert...

OBAMA SAYS HE'S OPEN TO PROBE OF TERROR SUSPECT INTERROGATIONS

This could be the way we are headed. All these human rights groups screaming about torture, and then defining it down to the point that a bad manicure is considered torture, could be leading us here. Perhaps the UFO aliens are so fond of anal probes because all other forms of interaction have been outlawed by sentient beings rights groups.

278 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:00:40am

Mmmmmmm, Chicken !

A chicken in every pot,

a car in every garage,

Wooo Hoooo !

279 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:00:53am

re: #265 Lincolntf

Holy crap. Some HS kid in Florida has thrown four consecutive no-hitters, including 60 K's.
And it's not even a record.

He throws in the 90's, has a curve, slider and changeup.
I figure his first car will be a Beemer..Heck of a talent

280 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:01:15am

ok, so we've all heard of "man bites dog" stories, but this is ridiculous...

Liveleak Video
281 yma o hyd  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:01:23am

re: #260 Nevergiveup

19:45 Britain planning to review all arms exports to Israel (AP)

This guy Gordon Brown is some asshole. He almost makes Obama look go..... go....can't say it sorry

Yep - Gord is a thorough arse!
Sad thing is, PB0 has been copying his tax policies - so keep in mind that he may well copy something like this 'review' ...

282 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:01:32am

re: #272 zombie

I thought Daniel Andreas San Diego was already on the FBI most wanted list. He's pretty famous, and he was on the "America's Most Wanted" show a whole bunch of times over the years.

I've been by the building that he tried to blow up -- Chiron, in Emeryville, where they design the most terrifying bioweapon of all: vaccines!

(I think San Diego hated them because they tested the vaccines on rats instead of on humans. What sadists!)

Test them on Jenny McCarthy!

283 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:01:34am
284 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:01:38am

re: #278 Ojoe

Mmmmmmm, Chicken !

A chicken in every pot,

a car in every garage,

Wooo Hoooo !

And a citizen for every home. At least that was the policy 3 years ago.

285 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:01:38am

re: #277 CyanSnowHawk

This could be the way we are headed. All these human rights groups screaming about torture, and then defining it down to the point that a bad manicure is considered torture, could be leading us here. Perhaps the UFO aliens are so fond of anal probes because all other forms of interaction have been outlawed by sentient beings rights groups.

It seems like he will leave it up to Eric Holder to determine if there should be further probes and possible Congressional hearings...

286 Kragar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:01:57am

Ah, happy time. We've been warning a guy for the last 2 weeks he needed to fix his server or it would be shut off from the network and we've never gotten a response back. We shut it down this morning and now he is trying to go ballistic. This will be fun.

287 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:02:10am

re: #279 HoosierHoops

He throws in the 90's, has a curve, slider and changeup.
I figure his first car will be a Beemer..Heck of a talent

I think the Yankees signed him for 3 years, $100 Million.

288 zombie  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:02:12am

re: #276 Rancher

Somehow I don't think his tat is in reference to that song. Didn't Ayers or Alinsky mention a "spark"?

Yes -- the title of Ayers' book "Prairie Fire" comes from some parable about "It's only takes a spark to start a prairie fire." Also, his coalition in the Weather Underground was The Prairie Fire Coalition.

289 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:02:34am

re: #207 NJDhockeyfan

Anyone see this?

Gavin Newsom has just announced that he is running for Governor of California on....DKos.

Gavin "Any Twosome" Newsome?

290 robdouth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:02:35am

re: #282 Ward Cleaver

Test them on Jenny McCarthy!

Her views on vaccination are horrible, she should be forced to walk naked through my living room in shame. Sweet Sweet shame.

291 opnion  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:02:41am

FNC just reported that during a meeting today with the Jordanian King, in answer to a question Obama will not rule out a probe of Bush Justice Department people.
He is referring to those who wrote legal briefs about permissible interrogation techniques.

292 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:02:44am

Quote from Naomi:

Hopesick. Like the homesick, hopesick individuals are intensely nostalgic. They miss the rush of optimism from the campaign trail and are forever trying to recapture that warm, hopey feeling--usually by exaggerating the significance of relatively minor acts of Obama decency. Sample sentences: "I was feeling really hopesick about the escalation in Afghanistan, but then I watched a YouTube video of Michelle in her organic garden and it felt like inauguration day all over again. A few hours later, when I heard that the Obama administration was boycotting a major UN racism conference, the hopesickness came back hard. So I watched slideshows of Michelle wearing clothes made by ethnically diverse independent fashion designers, and that sort of helped."

Rolling on floor, laughing my ass off.

293 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:02:59am

re: #274 Creeping Eruption

And then there is this gem:

Mashaal to address British Parliment

Useful idiots.

294 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:03:21am

re: #291 opnion

FNC just reported that during a meeting today with the Jordanian King, in answer to a question Obama will not rule out a probe of Bush Justice Department people.
He is referring to those who wrote legal briefs about permissible interrogation techniques.

Tip of the iceberg.

295 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:03:21am

re: #286 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah, happy time. We've been warning a guy for the last 2 weeks he needed to fix his server or it would be shut off from the network and we've never gotten a response back. We shut it down this morning and now he is trying to go ballistic. This will be fun.

What's the matter with his server?

296 yma o hyd  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:03:26am

re: #273 Nevergiveup

The british are going over the edge?

No - its the death throws of the neostalinist NuLab government you're seeing here.

297 KenJen  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:03:33am

re: #282 Ward Cleaver

Test them on Jenny McCarthy!

Too much plastic. Skews the results.

298 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:03:33am

re: #284 ConservatismNow!

We might try the old concept of the jubilee year every 50 years, when all debts are cancelled.

If we all knew that was coming, our motivations and actions might be different, and more healthy.

299 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:03:48am

re: #271 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, over at [Link: www.thenation.com,...] Naomi Klein is having a hopeover.

As in hangover, not sleepover.

Or perhaps it began earlier, with Obama's silence during Israel's Gaza attack.

WAAAAAAAAAH!

300 Opinionated  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:03:58am

He needs to get a professorship, mentor a young Leftist candidate the media adores, and just like that he will be just a harmless guy from the neighborhood.

301 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:04:07am

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow

Next time ALF "frees" some small animals, someone should send them a letter:

Thank you for those nice treats.
The Wolves.

I did something like that in my neighborhood. Cats are coyote food where I live and ever few weeks or so, there is the ad stapled to phone poles with a photo of a cat and "Have you seen me. My name is......" written on it. One night, I could not help myself and I wrote on the ad, "So, that was it's name. Thanks for the snack. The coyotes."

Mean--I know. But if you live near a canyon out here and you have a cat---be prepared for it to become a coyote canape.

302 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:04:07am

re: #280 Kenneth

hmmm... funny link problem

video here

303 Lincolntf  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:04:08am

re: #279 HoosierHoops

Big Baby and RayRay looked good last night, as did Rondo. Just heard that Powe is GONE for the season.

304 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:04:20am

re: #293 Kenneth

Useful idiots.

Idiots, Ill grant you, useful . . . ?

305 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:04:25am

re: #290 robdouth

Her views on vaccination are horrible, she should be forced to walk naked through my living room in shame. Sweet Sweet shame.

Or skip.

/boing, boing, boing

306 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:04:31am

re: #296 yma o hyd

Good, I always have thought that the British had a good store of common sense.

307 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:04:34am

OH shit the craig list killer: His dad is a dentist. can't I get a break?

308 robdouth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:05:12am

re: #307 Nevergiveup

OH shit the craig list killer: His dad is a dentist. can't I get a break?

Oh so that's where he got the idea of torturing his victims...

309 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:05:40am

re: #299 Ward Cleaver

WAAAAAAAAAH!

Darn, it didn't quite come out right.

Excerpt (excrement?) from her article:

Or perhaps it began earlier, with Obama's silence during Israel's Gaza attack.

310 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:05:42am

re: #282 Ward Cleaver

Test them on Jenny McCarthy!

I'd like to be inoculated against her. I find her grating.

311 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:06:09am

re: #308 robdouth

Oh so that's where he got the idea of torturing his victims...

I don't torture my vict--i mean patients, they torture me!

312 Kragar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:06:10am

re: #295 HoosierHoops

What's the matter with his server?

At least 15 security vulnerabilities which need to be patched and he removed admin groups so the real admins can't login to fix it. "Its so no one messes with my project!" Um, sorry, wrong answer buddy.

313 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:06:16am

Quote from Naomi:

Hopesick. Like the homesick, hopesick individuals are intensely nostalgic. They miss the rush of optimism from the campaign trail and are forever trying to recapture that warm, hopey feeling--usually by exaggerating the significance of relatively minor acts of Obama decency. Sample sentences: "I was feeling really hopesick about the escalation in Afghanistan, but then I watched a YouTube video of Michelle in her organic garden and it felt like inauguration day all over again. A few hours later, when I heard that the Obama administration was boycotting a major UN racism conference, the hopesickness came back hard. So I watched slideshows of Michelle wearing clothes made by ethnically diverse independent fashion designers, and that sort of helped."

Rolling on floor, laughing my ass off.

314 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:06:17am

re: #308 robdouth

Only if it was "safe".

315 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:06:27am

re: #126 Ward Cleaver

Like those cases where mink are released, make their way to a nearby highway, and are promptly run over.

But, but, they were FREE! It is a well known fact that many liberated animals suffer from suicidal Post Captivity Stress Disorder. These animals' deaths fall squarely on the shoulders of the Fur Industry! And Big Pharma! And George W. Bush! And Karl Rove! ... Halliburton, people! HALLIBURTON!

/ / / / / / / / / / Feelin' Sarc-y.

316 opnion  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:06:38am

re: #294 tfc3rid

Tip of the iceberg.

Afraid so. I thought that Obama wanted to move on. I hope that he doesn't do this.

317 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:06:55am

Sorry for double post - don't know how that happened...

318 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:06:55am

PETA protesting chicken dance at NASCAR

TALLADEGA, Ala. (AP) - PETA is pecking away at NASCAR fans doing the chicken dance.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants the Guinness records people to ignore an attempt to set a new record for the chicken dance.

Some 125,000 fans were at the Talladega Superspeedway Sunday and many were shaking their tail feathers.

319 mikalm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:07:02am

re: #282 Ward Cleaver

Test them on Jenny McCarthy!

Like the old joke, she'd be far superior to lab rats as a test subject, since lab scientists can develop empathy with rats; and there are some things rats just won't do.

320 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:07:03am

minor Ot, but does anyone know of a site named "homeland security dot com?
Just visited it, and there's a disturbing article there.
A quick look through the sponsors, and the about header didn't raise any flags.
My question--is this a credible site or should it be discarded? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

321 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:07:12am

re: #316 opnion

Afraid so. I thought that Obama wanted to move on. I hope that he doesn't do this.

He's putting it in the AG's hands... Therefore, distancing himself from it...

322 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:07:21am

re: #303 Lincolntf

Big Baby and RayRay looked good last night, as did Rondo. Just heard that Powe is GONE for the season.

Big Baby was a monster in the lane..Ray ray was deadly shooting..
But did you know when Rondo went out with the injury for awhile the Celts went from 4 up to 3 down..Rondo has become the key to the Celts..

323 AMER1CAN  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:07:25am

OT: Cheney strikes back

Dick Cheney -- who previously has contended that the current administration has made the country less safe, now says he has asked the CIA to declassify interrogation memos that apparently show successful results from the interrogation techniques. Indeed, in his interview last night on FOX, Cheney not only called for those memos to be declassified, he blasted Obama for “cozying up” to Hugo Chavez (“I think it's not helpful… I think it sort of sets the wrong standard”), and for what he said was Obama apologizing “profusely” overseas for America’s past actions (“The world outside there … will be quick to take advantage of a situation if they think they're dealing with a weak president or one who is not going to stand up and aggressively defend America's interests”).

324 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:07:41am

re: #291 opnion

FNC just reported that during a meeting today with the Jordanian King, in answer to a question Obama will not rule out a probe of Bush Justice Department people.
He is referring to those who wrote legal briefs about permissible interrogation techniques.

Obama should be reminded that what goes around, comes around.

325 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:07:44am

re: #312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

At least 15 security vulnerabilities which need to be patched and he removed admin groups so the real admins can't login to fix it. "Its so no one messes with my project!" Um, sorry, wrong answer buddy.

Is this the guy who runs the F-35 project at the Pentagon? Does he speak Chinese?

326 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:08:04am

re: #266 Ward Cleaver

It's sweet.

Oh yes! No more Ann!

327 opnion  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:08:30am

re: #321 tfc3rid

He's putting it in the AG's hands... Therefore, distancing himself from it...

Holder will probably go with it, but you never know.

328 mikalm  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:08:44am

re: #301 calcajun

A friend of mine works in Malibu, where canyon country meets the beach. He says he divides the town between "There's-sand-in-the-carpet" Malibu, and "The-coyotes-ate-my-cat" Malibu.

329 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:09:10am

re: #318 NJDhockeyfan

PETA protesting chicken dance at NASCAR

Replace it with the "naked PeTA kook bitch dance"?

330 Rancher  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:09:12am

SEAL Motivational Poster

331 Dianna  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:09:12am

re: #221 Killgore Trout

The Tea Party/Republicans have turned on Arnold so the guy probably has a pretty good chance.

Don't be ridiculous, KT.

Arnold is term-limited out. There hasn't been a socially liberal, fiscally conservative Republican to be seen.

332 opnion  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:09:27am

re: #324 Ward Cleaver

Obama should be reminded that what goes around, comes around.

Some Democrat elected officials really want this, Conyers Etal.

333 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:09:27am

re: #192 kynna

Ugh! Watch for the coming cult of personality for this pirate prick.

Well, he does have a swanky jumpsuit.

/

334 Russkilitlover  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:09:28am

re: #301 calcajun

I did something like that in my neighborhood. Cats are coyote food where I live and ever few weeks or so, there is the ad stapled to phone poles with a photo of a cat and "Have you seen me. My name is......" written on it. One night, I could not help myself and I wrote on the ad, "So, that was it's name. Thanks for the snack. The coyotes."

Mean--I know. But if you live near a canyon out here and you have a cat---be prepared for it to become a coyote canape.

Wow, that's cold. Most people who put up those signs in coyote country for missing cats and small dogs know darn well what happened to them, but they put up signs for their little kids who are missing fluffy or muffy. I've had a lot of parents tell me that they tell their kids they are sure their pet has found a good home.

335 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:09:41am

Obama's DOE Hid News of School Voucher Success

President Barack Obama’s Department of Education sat on a report chronicling the success of a school vouchers program until after Congress had voted not to continue the program.

[Link: www.google.com...]

336 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:09:56am
337 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:10:15am

re: #312 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

At least 15 security vulnerabilities which need to be patched and he removed admin groups so the real admins can't login to fix it. "Its so no one messes with my project!" Um, sorry, wrong answer buddy.

That's crazy..He removed the Admin group? He could have edited it to only allow certain Admins access..
I agree..His port on the switch goes to Down state..

338 AMER1CAN  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:10:19am

re: #323 AMER1CAN

OT: Cheney strikes back

Money quote from another reader:

Isn't this amazing? Obama's friends are Hugo Chavez and Danial Ortega, and his enemies are the former VP of the United States and the CIA.

339 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:10:23am

re: #335 sattv4u2

Obama's DOE Hid News of School Voucher Success

President Barack Obama’s Department of Education sat on a report chronicling the success of a school vouchers program until after Congress had voted not to continue the program.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Shocker...

340 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:11:10am

re: #332 opnion

Some Democrat elected officials really want this, Conyers Etal.

His wife has done a good job of chasing the NAIAS (Detroit Auto Show) out of Detroit, along with the millions of convention dollars.

341 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:11:15am

re: #304 Creeping Eruption

Useful to Hamas.

342 Lincolntf  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:11:20am

re: #331 Dianna

He's just trying to keep his "hate the Tea Party" streak alive.
431 consecutive threads and counting...

343 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:12:01am

re: #339 tfc3rid

Shocker...

As someone who took his child out of public schools for private school, it's a sore spot for me

(and this coming from the husband of a teacher)

344 yma o hyd  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:12:03am

re: #306 Ojoe

Good, I always have thought that the British had a good store of common sense.

One can even see the first green shoots of it breaking through the arid soil of the MFM.

345 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:12:21am

This is what you get when you have a Sharia "deal" with Taliban in one region: They move to the next one.

346 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:12:23am

re: #335 sattv4u2

Obama's DOE Hid News of School Voucher Success

President Barack Obama’s Department of Education sat on a report chronicling the success of a school vouchers program until after Congress had voted not to continue the program.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Whoring himself out to the teachers' unions.

347 zombie  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:13:03am

Daniel Andreas San Diego's friends continue to do "legal" protests against biology professors around the Bay Area. Since there was a court ruling that writing messages in chalk does not count as vandalism because the defacement is only temporary and not permanent, and can be easily washed away with a hose, what these animal rights freaks do is go to some professor's house and scrawl outrageous messages on every available surface around the house -- sidewalks, fences, car tires, curbs, anything. And what do these messages say? "Child rapist!" "Pedophile" "A killer lives here" "Watch your back" "Torturer" "Do you want a sadist living in your neighborhood?" etc. etc. One of their victims was an 75-year-old scientist who tested medicines on mice.

348 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:13:36am

re: #343 sattv4u2

As someone who took his child out of public schools for private school, it's a sore spot for me

(and this coming from the husband of a teacher)

I think cutting the voucher program was ridiculous... Criminal to the kids.

349 Rancher  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:13:57am

re: #288 zombie

Yes -- the title of Ayers' book "Prairie Fire" comes from some parable about "It's only takes a spark to start a prairie fire." Also, his coalition in the Weather Underground was The Prairie Fire Coalition.

Ah ha, not surprised in the least. After CBBHO pardons the guy I suppose he will start a distinguished career in academia. I would shoot someone I caught deliberately setting a prairie fire BTW.

350 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:13:59am

re: #346 Ward Cleaver

Whoring himself out to the teachers' unions.

Dems have been doing that for decades,,, ( as well as all other unions)

BUT WAIT ,,,, isn't it the Repubs that get blamed for bowing to "special interests" !?!?!?!?

351 badger1970  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:14:10am

re: #345 Abu Lahab

The money quote was from "The Kite Runner"; "The bearded fools try to save your soul while the communists deny you have one."

352 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:14:14am

re: #334 Russkilitlover

I know. But then there are the dummies--like an old neighbor. He boasted that he paid $400 for his long-hair and was going to breed it--which is why he never spayed it. Always let the cat out in the yard. Never cared that Fluffy was up and down the street. "My cat's too smart,"was the refrain. We all can guess how it ended.

353 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:15:06am

re: #291 opnion

FNC just reported that during a meeting today with the Jordanian King, in answer to a question Obama will not rule out a probe of Bush Justice Department people.
He is referring to those who wrote legal briefs about permissible interrogation techniques.

And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of our wrongs
They decide
And the shotgun sings the song.

I hope we Won't Get Fooled Again

354 zombie  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:15:12am

re: #346 Ward Cleaver

Whoring himself out to the teachers' unions.

I strongly support vouchers and charter schools. It's the only realistic way to break the indoctrination system we now have in these huge factory-size public schools.

355 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:15:13am

re: #348 tfc3rid

I think cutting the voucher program was ridiculous... Criminal to the kids.

NOTE TO WASHINGTON DC PARENTS

Thank you for your vote, here's your sign

Love

Barry

(credit to comediane Bill Engvall)

356 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:15:37am

re: #277 CyanSnowHawk

This could be the way we are headed. All these human rights groups screaming about torture, and then defining it down to the point that a bad manicure is considered torture, could be leading us here. Perhaps the UFO aliens are so fond of anal probes because all other forms of interaction have been outlawed by sentient beings rights groups.

I could have sworn just a few days ago that he wasn't going to seek prosecution of those involved in these interrogations.
WTF?

357 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:15:45am

re: #11 Thanos

This brings to mind the saying "Be careful what you ask for" ... or vent about. The faux outrage over the DHS reports created this move, and now the top of the "most wanted" list is an ALF terrorist instead of Al Qaida. Way to go pundits on the right....

While no doubt ALF are terrorists and politically expedient for the right, I think Al Qaida is emminently more dangerous.

Now that I'm off calls for a bit, I'm going to retract "created" ... With time to think on this there are likely new criteria/weighting of terror analysis' under Napolitano, that's probably what "created" this move, it's more "I question the timing", which is something I can't know unless someone in the press follows up on the details of "why now". e.g. it could be new threats, new leads or whatever.

358 Idle Drifter  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:15:49am

re: #318 NJDhockeyfan

PETA protesting chicken dance at NASCAR

Poo poo to that.

Youtube Video
359 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:15:51am

re: #347 zombie

That's disgusting stuff. So this is not counted as vandalism? You Can't complain about it?

360 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:15:54am

re: #347 zombie

Daniel Andreas San Diego's friends continue to do "legal" protests against biology professors around the Bay Area. Since there was a court ruling that writing messages in chalk does not count as vandalism because the defacement is only temporary and not permanent, and can be easily washed away with a hose, what these animal rights freaks do is go to some professor's house and scrawl outrageous messages on every available surface around the house -- sidewalks, fences, car tires, curbs, anything. And what do these messages say? "Child rapist!" "Pedophile" "A killer lives here" "Watch your back" "Torturer" "Do you want a sadist living in your neighborhood?" etc. etc. One of their victims was an 75-year-old scientist who tested medicines on mice.

I'd introduce them to Mr. Mossberg.

/not walt

361 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:16:06am

re: #301 calcajun

I did something like that in my neighborhood. Cats are coyote food where I live and ever few weeks or so, there is the ad stapled to phone poles with a photo of a cat and "Have you seen me. My name is......" written on it. One night, I could not help myself and I wrote on the ad, "So, that was it's name. Thanks for the snack. The coyotes."

Mean--I know. But if you live near a canyon out here and you have a cat---be prepared for it to become a coyote canape.

Same where I live, in central Massachusetts.
And the fishers, too.

362 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:16:21am
363 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:16:28am

re: #320 irongrampa

The site is afiliated with Alex Jones and infowars. They are paulian new world order nutcases.

364 tfc3rid  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:16:36am

re: #355 sattv4u2

In return I'll also give you (unConstitutionally) a couple of seats in Congress.

365 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:16:37am

re: #336 Iron Fist

Heh. Awesome weaponry indeed. One of the things I'm extremely envious about is the sheer breadth of neat shit today's Army has to play with, compared to my generation. Not fair at all.

366 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:17:05am

I'm dreaming of a big batch of fried sea kittens.

367 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:17:05am

re: #308 robdouth

Oh so that's where he got the idea of torturing his victims...

Youtube Video
368 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:17:09am

re: #361 Kosh's Shadow

Same where I live, in central Massachusetts.
And the fishers, too.

A girl I'm seeing has lost nearly all of her cats to coyotes, she lives in Ulster County, NY.

369 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:17:21am

re: #354 zombie

I strongly support vouchers and charter schools. It's the only realistic way to break the indoctrination system we now have in these huge factory-size public schools.

The teachers complain obaout overcrowded schools. I take my kid out and am paying over 10K a year for private High School. The teachers complain that I took my kid out


HEY ,, TEACH ,,, basic math,, one LESS kid helps your "overcrowded" class

370 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:17:37am

re: #313 Cato the Elder

Quote from Naomi:

Rolling on floor, laughing my ass off.

These moonbats make it so hard for us to make fun of them.

371 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:17:41am

re: #333 NukeAtomrod

Well, he does have a swanky jumpsuit.

/

His trial is gonna be a farce.

372 hellosnackbar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:18:00am

In the UK a few years ago ALF was a serious threat to civilised law and order.
They,using terror tactics, shut down an animal breeding centre(Huntingdon
Life Sciences)and terrorised a family business that bred guinea pigs.
They even dug up the corpse of the mother of the guinea pig breeder
and abducted it as a tactic of intimidation.
There are still many of these fruitcakes about and one still hears of them threatening violence to any one engaged in experiments using animals.
As far as political affiliation is concerned I never heard of any;but the
chap who absconded with the breeder's mother's body was unrepentant
and was feted by his followers as a true champion of animal rights.
(he was jailed for ten years).
Many years before that, similar nutters, released mink from breeding facilities ;with the result that many indigenous species were brought to the brink of extinction as a result of a "foriegn" vicious predator suddenly being introduced to the locality.
Like all extremist groups their idiotic dogma trumps common sense.
If Mr San Diego is tarred with the same brush; then the FBI are right
in placing him in a group of the most wanted.
It is a fact of modern life ,that there arises from time to time,headcases,
who ,seem to be able to lead the stupid into supporting all kinds of causes,
and to employ tactics which threaten the lives of innocent people.

And, when the weight of the law is brought to bear ;they are seen as martyrs by their sympathisers.
Not unlike the shenanigans, employed by followers of a well known religion.

373 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:18:04am

San Diego is from Berkeley!

Color me shocked

374 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:18:19am

Hope 'n Change 'n Caterpillars!

375 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:18:21am

re: #365 irongrampa

Heh. Awesome weaponry indeed. One of the things I'm extremely envious about is the sheer breadth of neat shit today's Army has to play with, compared to my generation. Not fair at all.

Whereas the Navy gets fewer toys - 20 years ago, a wide array of combat jets were to be found onboard our carriers. Now, there's just the F/A-18.

376 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:19:15am

re: #235 MandyManners

Did you read it? The bias is incredibly stunning. There is nothing but expression of sympathy for him, and defiance for the law. Out of all the reporters working on this story, you'd think someone could find a source sympathetic to the law. In addition to Virginia Byrne, there are
Tom Hays in Riverside, Calif.; Devlin Barrett in Washington; Larry Neumeister and Jennifer Peltz in New York; Ashley Thomas in Philadelphia; and Malkhadir M. Muhumed in Nairobi, Kenya,

Oh come on! Show a little pity for the poor kid. Three of his best friends just died!

/ / / /

377 ConservatismNow!  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:19:22am

re: #354 zombie

I strongly support vouchers and charter schools. It's the only realistic way to break the indoctrination system we now have in these huge factory-size public schools.

Funny that you mention that. That's what public school was originally created for, to prepare the population to enter the work force during the second industrial revolution.

378 robdouth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:19:29am

re: #369 sattv4u2

The teachers complain obaout overcrowded schools. I take my kid out and am paying over 10K a year for private High School. The teachers complain that I took my kid out


HEY ,, TEACH ,,, basic math,, one LESS kid helps your "overcrowded" class

i hate the BS about overcrowded schools. I'd rather they combine 2 or 3 classes and pay a teacher over 100K who can actually teach. Also give him/her the ironfist needed to remove troublemakers and get them expelled. 80 students would learn better with one great teacher and no troublemakers, than a class of 20 students with 3 A-holes and a teacher making 25K who had no better options. Please know i have great respect for the good teachers out there, but of course the good ones should be making the good money, so they aren't my target.

379 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:19:42am

re: #318 NJDhockeyfan

PETA protesting chicken dance at NASCAR

PETA versus NASCAR. Now there's a matchup I'd shell out for on PayPerView.

380 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:19:43am

re: #335 sattv4u2

That’s the report from Deroy Murdock, a media fellow with the Hoover Institution, who exposes the subterfuge in an article published by National Review Online.


Be very skeptical of these leaks and conspiracy theories. There's a lot of bullshit out there. Don't get sucked in.

381 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:21:06am

re: #380 Killgore Trout

Be very skeptical of these leaks and conspiracy theories. There's a lot of bullshit out there. Don't get sucked in.

I'm not, but the dates and timings match

382 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:21:21am

re: #366 Cato the Elder

I'm dreaming of a big batch of fried sea kittens.

The other, other white meat.

383 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:21:23am

re: #375 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

FA-18 is a decent multi-tasker, tho', correct? Being Army I'm not all that familiar with Naval Aviation.

384 zombie  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:21:53am

re: #359 Abu Lahab

That's disgusting stuff. So this is not counted as vandalism? You Can't complain about it?

it doesn't count as vandalism, but if the messages are considered threatening, there can be charges against the protesters. Problem is, the "flash mobs" who do this usually do it at night, so the messages aren't discovered until the next morning -- hence, no one knows exactly who is responsible.

They organize the events on Indybay and craigslist. Someone sets up a throwaway email address using free wi-fi somewhere so their location can't be traced, then post an announcement of the protest, but don't say the time or location. You have to email this address and say why you want to participate, and if they think you've passed the ideological test, at a certain prearranged moment they'll mass-email out the time and location for everyone to gather, chalk in hand.

They know the Feds are watching them, so they're very paranoid.

385 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:22:11am

re: #379 SixDegrees

PETA versus NASCAR. Now there's a matchup I'd shell out for on PayPerView.

"Hey PeTA chick - want some fried chicken?"

386 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:22:44am

re: #383 irongrampa

FA-18 is a decent multi-tasker, tho', correct? Being Army I'm not all that familiar with Naval Aviation.

Yeah, but I'm an airplane romantic. A carrier full of F-14s, F-4s, A-6s, & A-7s just looks nicer.

387 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:22:54am

re: #381 sattv4u2

I'm not, but the dates and timings match

Questioning the timing is always a bad sign.

388 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:22:59am

re: #323 AMER1CAN

OT: Cheney strikes back

Yeah, this happened yesterday. I have a strong feeling that Obama's statement today about considering probes of JD officials is related, an attempt to slap down such inquiries.

Cheney has the same recourse as the ACLU, which filed the suit that got the original memos released. Plus, his position as former VP adds a bit of weight to the declassification request.

Could be interesting to watch this play out.

389 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:23:24am

re: #362 buzzsawmonkey

I have long since ceased to believe anything that Obama says. He reverses his position constantly, and equally constantly does things which are precisely opposite to what he says he is doing.


The Revelation That the CIA waterboarded someone 188 times still has not sunk in yet..188 times..I'm stunned...what further info could he give us after say 5-40 times? We were told he broke in 35 secs..Somebody needs to lose their job at the CIA..188 times? If a terrorists breaks down after 35 secs..What do we classify the following 187 water boarding sessions as?
I am deeply disappointed.

390 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:24:00am
391 Buck  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:24:28am

re: #304 Creeping Eruption

Idiots, Ill grant you, useful . . . ?

In political jargon, the term useful idiot was used to describe Soviet sympathizers in western countries and the attitude of the Soviet government towards them. The implication was that though the person in question naïvely thought themselves an ally of the Soviets or other Communists, they were actually held in contempt by them, and being cynically used.

The term is now used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by a political movement, terrorist group, or hostile government, whether or not the group is Communist in nature.

Wikkipedia

392 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:24:39am

Worried about the economy?

393 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:24:53am

re: #378 robdouth

Also give him/her the ironfist needed to remove troublemakers and get them expelled.

One of the things that sold us on thie school we're sending our son too. The seniors were on a one week feild trip to Washington DC (we're just outside of Atlanta). Parents pre-paid for airfares and hotels. On the 2nd night 2 of the seniors were caught in their room with some beer. They were taken to the airport, parents were called and were told by the chaperone 'we're at the XXX airline terminal. I'll neeed a credit acrd number for your son to take the next flight home. And when he gets there he is OUT of the school"

394 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:25:04am

re: #386 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

One of the neatest things ever was being able to sit in the cockpit of an F4U Corsair at an air show once. I had to be pried out of it.

395 Lincolntf  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:25:23am

re: #389 HoosierHoops

I was wondering (maybe this is common knowledge?) if maybe each immersion is being counted individually, and each "session" consisted of scores of brief submersions.
Just trying to think of a rational explanation for that absurd number.

396 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:25:58am

re: #394 irongrampa

One of the neatest things ever was being able to sit in the cockpit of an F4U Corsair at an air show once. I had to be pried out of it.

That would be awesome - even better if it were flying!

397 Buck  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:26:02am

re: #389 HoosierHoops

.What do we classify the following 187 water boarding sessions as?

I think they are doing a very broad classification. In this case including Showers.

398 Nevergiveup  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:26:07am

re: #327 opnion

Holder will probably go with it, but you never know.

I doubt it- political suicide. This is just a bone the wacky left

399 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:26:19am

re: #395 Lincolntf

I was wondering (maybe this is common knowledge?) if maybe each immersion is being counted individually, and each "session" consisted of scores of brief submersions.
Just trying to think of a rational explanation for that absurd number.

Practice?

400 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:27:04am

re: #387 Killgore Trout

Questioning the timing is always a bad sign.

I didn;t say I was quetioning THE timing of this news. What I meant was the timing between when the report was written,,, when the vote to discontue the vouchers was.

401 Wishing  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:27:10am

Obama Open to Probe of Bush Officials Who Devised Interrogations

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama left open the possibility of legally pursuing the Bush administration officials who formulated the policies that led to "enhanced interrogation techniques" -- which critics have called torture.

402 DaddyG  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:27:30am

re: #393 sattv4u2 Thank goodness it was only beer. I mean they could have had a congressman in their room. //

403 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:28:12am

re: #396 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Dunno where you'd put a passenger, those things are NOT roomy, even given their overall size.

404 Abu Lahab  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:28:17am

re: #384 zombie

Those are some people with nothing to do in their lives, I really feel sorry for these professors and scientists being harassed after all the work they are doing. I wonder if these nuts know how many lives these tests saved, but I'm sure they do not care, "Oh, the mice, the mice"

405 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:28:45am

re: #366 Cato the Elder

Get the tartar sauce ready.

406 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:29:10am

I always thought waterboarding was defined as "jihadi surfing".

407 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:29:30am

re: #403 irongrampa

Dunno where you'd put a passenger, those things are NOT roomy, even given their overall size.

Yeah, no trainer versions were made. Though a special two-seat P-51 Mustang was made for use by General Eisenhower in WWII.

408 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:30:05am
409 hellosnackbar  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:30:27am

re#353 Kosh's shadow,
One of the best all time "rock"numbers!
The Who's meisterwerk.
I've just popped it on the stereo.

410 Lincolntf  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:30:29am

re: #399 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

As I understand it, the effect sought is one of aversion by inducing involuntary "panic" reactions. Maybe there's some routine where they gradually extend the time or something.
I know it's weak, but I'm trying to figure out how you do anything 188 times in a month unless it's a relatively quick thing.

411 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:30:29am

re: #394 irongrampa

Imagine being in one of those for 8-9 hours straight. Imagine your relief bottle becomes detached...over the balmy South Pacific.

412 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:31:21am

re: #389 HoosierHoops

The Revelation That the CIA waterboarded someone 188 times still has not sunk in yet..188 times..I'm stunned...what further info could he give us after say 5-40 times? We were told he broke in 35 secs..Somebody needs to lose their job at the CIA..188 times? If a terrorists breaks down after 35 secs..What do we classify the following 187 water boarding sessions as?
I am deeply disappointed.

I still question what that number means. Was his face covered 188 times in one session? Or were there 188 sessions? Or some mix of the two?

I could be wrong, but I suspect these documents were cherry-picked for maximum political impact. Especially since, as Dick Cheney points out, no documents that indicate the results of the waterboarding were released for context.

413 realwest  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:32:07am

re: #401 Wishing
That's very interesting since Nancy Pelosi and other High Ranking Members of Congress were fully and completely briefed by the CIA on all of the interrogation methods used at GITMO going back to 2005 (sorry, don't have the link, but it was in the spinoff links no more than a day or two ago; report was, iirc, by the AP).
Makes sense about Pelosi since she is 3rd in line!

414 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:32:24am

re: #411 calcajun

Yes, the seat, iirc, had the bare minimum of padding, not something you'd want to park in for extended periods.

415 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:32:26am

re: #389 HoosierHoops

A couple years back a CIA spokesperson said that the people were waterboarded only once. Which is it? One or 189? I'm not sure the whole truth is out yet.

416 SixDegrees  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:32:42am

re: #389 HoosierHoops

The Revelation That the CIA waterboarded someone 188 times still has not sunk in yet..188 times..I'm stunned...what further info could he give us after say 5-40 times? We were told he broke in 35 secs..Somebody needs to lose their job at the CIA..188 times? If a terrorists breaks down after 35 secs..What do we classify the following 187 water boarding sessions as?
I am deeply disappointed.

I was also extremely disturbed by this report. I'm suspending judgment for the moment until more facts are known. And I am really hoping that it is false, or that some very important details have been left out.

417 calcajun  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:33:25am

re: #411 calcajun

PIMF--relief "tube"

418 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:33:35am

re: #394 irongrampa

One of the neatest things ever was being able to sit in the cockpit of an F4U Corsair at an air show once. I had to be pried out of it.

Look up the Connecticut Air Museum, if you're anywhere near there. They have "Open Cockpit" days, when you can sit in various cockpits.
I got to sit in an F-4 and a WWII fighter; don't remember which right now.

But back when I was in the Explorers, I got to sit in an F-84 cockpit. Well, the back of the aircraft was off and the engine was out, but it was a real plane.

419 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:33:44am

He's got those Broadway lights in his eyes!

420 Rancher  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:34:09am

re: #413 realwest

That's very interesting since Nancy Pelosi and other High Ranking Members of Congress were fully and completely briefed by the CIA on all of the interrogation methods used at GITMO going back to 2005 (sorry, don't have the link, but it was in the spinoff links no more than a day or two ago; report was, iirc, by the AP).
Makes sense about Pelosi since she is 3rd in line!


When Pelosi was told about waterboarding terrorists her response was "That's all we're going to do?"

421 realwest  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:34:49am

re: #415 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth - y'all ought to write to Nancy Pelosi for your answer! (see my #413 above). Wonder if Congressional investigations would turn up those little tidbits of information; that the Speaker of the House KNEW about the interrogations and said nothing about them?

422 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:34:59am
423 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:34:59am

re: #408 buzzsawmonkey

I didn't see that. It seems shocking, if true--"if true" being the operative words.

Someone who is coyly playing on-again off-again with the notion of prosecuting people from the preceding administration, even as necessity forces him to reluctantly extend that administration's policies against his own ideological bias is not someone I necessarily trust to provide accurate accounts or numbers.

I hope so Buzz..Because if there is a dipshit working at the CIA that thinks it's ok to waterboard anyone 188 times is ok..He needs to be fired..Hell Even Jack Bauer from 24 would only do it a few times..soak him for all his info and be done with him.
It better not be the truth...
jeez I'm hungry..What sounds good for lunch? I'm thinking moo goo gai pan..

424 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:35:01am

re: #420 Rancher

When Pelosi was told about waterboarding terrorists her response was "That's all we're going to do?"

She wanted them to be forced to read her latest book.

425 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:36:14am

re: #269 Nevergiveup

The founder of the Minute Men is going to run against McCain in the Republican primary in 2010. Good for him.

The founders of the Minutemen have appeared several times on the neo-Nazi radio show "The Political Cesspool." That should tell you everything you need to know about the Minutemen, and it's why I do not promote them at LGF.

426 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:36:48am

re: #395 Lincolntf

I was wondering (maybe this is common knowledge?) if maybe each immersion is being counted individually, and each "session" consisted of scores of brief submersions.
Just trying to think of a rational explanation for that absurd number.

That is exactly what it is. This is anonymous, and therefore not the world's most reliable source, but one of Jonah Goldberg's readers has a plausible explanation of how they came up with 183 separate incidents without exceeding the very strict guidelines on how many times and how often it can be used.

Waterboarding

427 J.S.  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:36:55am

re: #408 buzzsawmonkey

I've read that the number of times (183 for what's his name) by waterboarding was gleaned from footnotes to the "torture memos." bloggers apparently read the footnotes and passed it on...(also, some of the "torture memos" had the numbers redacted -- blacked out -- but other "torture memos" had the numbers visible...)

428 realwest  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:37:02am

re: #420 Rancher

When Pelosi was told about waterboarding terrorists her response was "That's all we're going to do?"

Was that a joke? I wouldn't be surprised if Pelosi - who has been rather extreme in handling the Dems in the House - did say that.

429 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:39:49am
430 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:40:10am

re: #426 doppelganglander

That is exactly what it is. This is anonymous, and therefore not the world's most reliable source, but one of Jonah Goldberg's readers has a plausible explanation of how they came up with 183 separate incidents without exceeding the very strict guidelines on how many times and how often it can be used.

Waterboarding

Thanks for that link..It is making more sense now...

431 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:40:16am

re: #421 realwest

I'm not sure Pelosi would know the truth if it bit her botoxed ass.

The fact that several leading Democrats knew all about it years ago approved the program is completely ignored by the MSM.

432 UFO TOFU  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:41:51am

OT, but I like this quote:

But we do not measure the protection the Constitution affords a right by the values of our own times. If contemporary desuetude sufficed to read rights out of the Constitution, then there would be little benefit to a written statement of them. Some may disagree with the decision of the Founders to enshrine a given right in the Constitution. If so, then the people can amend the document. But such amendments are not for the courts to ordain.


From the 9th Circus no less.

433 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:42:02am

OT, but this piece on the new "Middle East Cold War" is really interesting. It reports that Israel maye have more 'friends' among its enemies than is commonly known:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

434 rawmuse  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:42:31am

This guy has been wanted for some time. I wonder why all of this is coming up now?

435 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:43:08am

Waterboarding, explained:

There seems to be a great deal of disagreement over what constitutes a single instance of waterboarding. KSM himself says he was waterboarded on five occasions, all during his first month of captivity. Each session lasted about an hour, and during each session, he was repeatedly waterboarded. And apparently yes, 183 is the number of times he was waterboarded across those five sessions, always for less than 40 seconds at a time and apparently usually for less than 10 seconds each (more on that in a moment). But calling that being waterboarded 183 times probably suggests incorrectly to many readers that on 183 occasions he was taken from his cell and subjected to a session of waterboarding.

Blogger Marcy Wheeler first pointed out the high numbers, including 183 for KSM, and she and others on the left seem to be having trouble with the math. The guidance for the employment of waterboarding restricts its use to one 30-day period, in which it can be applied on no more than five individual days. No more than two sessions are allowed in a 24-hour period, and each session may last at most two hours. Within a session, there may be at most six applications of water lasting 10 seconds or longer. No water application may last longer than 40 seconds. The total water application time may be no more than 12 minutes in a 24-hour period.

Wheeler and others are claiming that the 183 tally blows through the above limits, as even two sessions a day, times five days, times up to six 10-second applications per session, totals a maximum of 60 applications of water. And if KSM was in fact only subjected to one session per day on each of the five days he was waterboarded, then he should have maxed out at 30. But Wheeler and such simply aren’t reading the guidelines correctly. The limits of six applications of water is for applications lasting 10 seconds or longer. There is no limit on shorter applications, except for the cumulative 12-minutes of water per 24-hour period, toward which each short application would also apply.

So it’s more than possible to have 183 applications of water while still adhering to the guidelines, with applications under 10 seconds making up the great majority of the 183.

Now the above numbers don’t necessarily make me okay with waterboarding; I share your doubts. But the case against it should be built with the correct numbers.

[Name withheld]

436 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:43:18am

re: #429 buzzsawmonkey

I suspect that the whole thing is a typo, and actually refers to the 188-piece set of fine Waterboard crystal that ex-detainees are given upon release. Because you know that you need a lot of stuff with a four-wife household.

LOL
I hadn't thought of that..BTW did you ever see that Show on HBO called Big Love? The Mormon married to 3 wives? How do they do it?

437 irongrampa  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:43:28am

My personal viewpoint is that I don't care if they waterboarded Bad Hair Boy 24/7 for ANY length of time. If y'all have any problem with that, stop and REMEMBER.

He came out of that lucky.

438 realwest  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:43:28am

re: #431 Kenneth Yep. But gonna be kinda hard to ignore if in fact there are real congressional hearings. Just imagine Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld "outting" Pelosi on this one!

439 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:43:56am

re: #436 HoosierHoops

LOL
I hadn't thought of that..BTW did you ever see that Show on HBO called Big Love? The Mormon married to 3 wives? How do they do it?

being deaf is the 1st requirement!

440 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:44:48am
441 realwest  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:45:06am

re: #436 HoosierHoops
Hey there Hoops! "The Mormon married to 3 wives? How do they do it?"
I think the better question is WHY did he do it?!

442 Kenneth  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:45:30am

re: #438 realwest

The Dem controlled congress isn't going to investigate itself for this or Fannie Mae or anything else they screwed up. And the media will play along.

Crickets, dude, all I hear are crickets...

443 LGoPs  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:46:49am

re: #431 Kenneth

I'm not sure Pelosi would know the truth if it bit her botoxed ass.

The fact that several leading Democrats knew all about it years ago approved the program is completely ignored by the MSM.

And that should be a salient point, if not the salient point. This policy/tactic was agreed to in a bi-partisan manner. If there was any honor on the Democratic side of the aisle, this would be pointed out. By not pointing it out, it shows a clear sign that gaining partisan advantage is the sole motivation of Democrats.

444 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:47:04am
445 Lincolntf  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:47:45am

re: #426 doppelganglander

Thanks. Don't worry about the provenance, I give all Internet stories an ample helping of sodium.
That said, it does sound like what I had "hoped" the number meant. If it turns out that this rule was adhered to...
"The total water application time may be no more than 12 minutes in a 24-hour period....", then I'll be totally fine with it.

446 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:49:09am

re: #437 irongrampa

My personal viewpoint is that I don't care if they waterboarded Bad Hair Boy 24/7 for ANY length of time. If y'all have any problem with that, stop and REMEMBER.

He came out of that lucky.

I care..I care alot..There is a line that should never be crossed..what I read in the link above that we stayed within guidelines.. There were 5 sessions.
I thought there were 188. I'm good with it now.

447 Rancher  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:49:34am

re: #425 Charles

The founders of the Minutemen have appeared several times on the neo-Nazi radio show "The Political Cesspool." That should tell you everything you need to know about the Minutemen, and it's why I do not promote them at LGF.


It doesn't tell you anything about the Minutemen, only about the founders. I for one have never heard this. The reason I quit the Minutemen was that Simcox refused to be open about the accountability of funds and fired several state chapter leaders when they questioned him on this.

448 realwest  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:52:51am

Well, off for more chores! Have a great day everyone and I hope to get the chance to see you all down the road!

449 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:54:34am

re: #441 realwest

Hey there Hoops! "The Mormon married to 3 wives? How do they do it?"
I think the better question is WHY did he do it?!

well..*scratched head* Did you see the 3 women he married? I know why..I can't figure out how? LOL
I loved the episode where he was popping Viagra like crazy just to keep up with the Wives...Plus it's HBO..We got to see all of the wives nekkid..

450 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:54:40am

re: #447 Rancher

It doesn't tell you anything about the Minutemen, only about the founders. I for one have never heard this.

[Link: www.google.com...]

[Link: www.google.com...]

The reason I quit the Minutemen was that Simcox refused to be open about the accountability of funds and fired several state chapter leaders when they questioned him on this.

Not surprising to find out that someone who hangs out with white supremacists is also a crook.

451 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 11:02:26am

re: #256 Ward Cleaver

Use Firefox, and AdBlock Plus.

Ward, I'm impressed. That sucker is so good it even gets rid of Facebook ads. No more "Get a free Macbook Pro ($1k) by signing up for sixteen useless things ($3.5) that you don't want to begin with"!

452 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 11:07:36am
453 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 11:13:55am
454 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 11:23:20am
455 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 11:23:46am
456 humpty dumpty was pushed  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 11:27:20am

re: #389 HoosierHoops

The Revelation That the CIA waterboarded someone 188 times still has not sunk in yet..188 times..I'm stunned...what further info could he give us after say 5-40 times? We were told he broke in 35 secs..Somebody needs to lose their job at the CIA..188 times? If a terrorists breaks down after 35 secs..What do we classify the following 187 water boarding sessions as?
I am deeply disappointed.


Right on the money, HoosierHoops. Torture breaks one down but when does the torturer know that the victim is fully tapped of info? Never, so he can surmise/rationalize that the torture should continue indefinitely. Bad shit.

457 jcbunga  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 11:38:41am

I fear this can only serve to piss off OBL (if he lives) given how Muslims dislike dogs.

It'll be like the Bugs Bunny episode where he flips out cuz the bounty on Rabbits is only 2 cents.

Double the guards at the Grand Canyon.

458 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 11:49:24am

re: #457 jcbunga

I fear this can only serve to piss off OBL (if he lives) given how Muslims dislike dogs.

It'll be like the Bugs Bunny episode where he flips out cuz the bounty on Rabbits is only 2 cents.

Double the guards at the Grand Canyon.

Huh?

459 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 11:55:46am

I like animals. Does this mean I'm being targeted?Is our government now attacking pet owners//Glenn Beck mode off

460 funky chicken  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:02:36pm

re: #320 irongrampa

minor Ot, but does anyone know of a site named "homeland security dot com?
Just visited it, and there's a disturbing article there.
A quick look through the sponsors, and the about header didn't raise any flags.
My question--is this a credible site or should it be discarded? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

dunno, but first blush would be that it's as credible as whitehouse dot com.

whitehouse dot come is most definitely NSFW, or at least it was a couple of years ago

461 kansas  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:19:29pm
The move to add a domestic, left-wing terrorist to the list comes only days after the Obama administration was criticized for internal reports suggesting some military veterans could be susceptible to right-wing extremist recruiters or commit lone acts of violence. That prompted angry reactions from some lawmakers and veterans groups.

An arrest warrant was issued for San Diego after the 2003 bombings in northern California of the corporate offices of Chiron Corp., a biotechnology firm, and at Shaklee Corp., a nutrition and cosmetics company. The explosions caused minor damages and no injuries.

Did I read that right? 2003? That's timely. I feel safer already.

462 Pupdawg  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:22:23pm

re: #4 Honorary Yooper

Good. Regardless of whether on the right or the left, if you bomb places, you should go to jail.

..and regardless if you are a wealthy, personal friend of the POTUS who just 'happens to live in the neighborhood.'

463 Pupdawg  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:35:23pm

Heaven forbid if we find ourselves in 10 to 15 years from now with another financially and professionally prosperous, unrepentant, homespun, terrorist bomber who laments publicly that he wishes he had bombed more to end Global WARming...who also just happens to be a MarSoCom...Marxist/Socialist/Communist!

/sarc sickly

464 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:53:25pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

The Tea Party/Republicans have turned on Arnold so the guy probably has a pretty good chance.

I doubt Gavin has a chance. If Feinstein runs, he has NO chance.

465 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 12:55:09pm

re: #242 doppelganglander

I thought they had found evidence he was actually 19. Where does he get his birth certificate, the Chinese gymnastics team?

They have birth certificates in Somalia?

466 funky chicken  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 1:08:49pm

re: #207 NJDhockeyfan

Anyone see this?

Gavin Newsom has just announced that he is running for Governor of California on....DKos.

Ah, the mayor of San Fransisco? Youcannotbeserious. Surely he doesn't have a snowball's chance....

467 Sharmuta  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 1:23:22pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

Now that conservatives have mainstreamed Ron Paul he's all over the MSM today....
Ron Paul Explains Why Texas Seceding from America Isn't at All Un-American

Oh brother.

468 jcbunga  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:05:52pm

re: #458 Cato the Elder

Huh?

Bugs Bunny goes on a rampage and, amongst other things, fills in the Grand Canyon until his bounty is raised to $1 million.

The parallels between this and Osama are clear / :)

469 grumpy old codger  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:42:56pm

Isn't it interesting that less than a year ago, the FeeBee's identified ecoterrorist and environmental wackos as the most dangerous home grown terrorist groups. The DHS (dumb human sh#ts,?), however stated vets were the biggest threat, albeit from the right. However, no previous leftwing type terrorist, outside of some of the 60's types, ever made the Most Wanted list. Could this be a "cover up" of sorts, following the rage over Napolitano's comments? A sop, perhaps? An apology of sorts?

470 drool  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 3:56:45pm

Article is somewhat misleading. Other domestic terrorists were previously on the 10 most wanted list published by the FBI. Eric Rudolph made that list a few years ago.

471 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 4:51:23pm
472 Abaddon  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:13:21pm

I read a story some time ago about this San Diego nut on one of the main news sites. He's been on the Most Wanted List for awhile now -- the story I read was at least several months ago. Here's a link from when the FBI first offered $50,000 for his capture, back in 2003.

[Link: nl.newsbank.com...]

And here's a more recent story from Sept. 2008, from Fox.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

So, what makes him more newsworthy now than in September?

473 bradshaw  Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:16:24pm

DHS slanders the right to pacify the left; they quickly find themselves to have overshot things, and, in damage control mode, synthesize this nonsense. All the while providing cover as the Muslim element dreams up the next "man-caused disaster".

474 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 22, 2009 8:40:44am

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