Senate Sends Sotomayor to Supreme Court
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To no one’s surprise, the Senate has voted to confirm Sonia Sotomayor’s appointment to the Supreme Court, making her the third female justice in US history.
433 comments
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:08:02pm |
Congratulations to her. I hope the weight of her office will help guide her to great rulings.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:08:19pm |
I don’t know if my heart can take TWO shocks like these in a row!
/
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:09:40pm |
May the weight of her Justice robe weigh heavier on her decisions than her experience as a wise Latina.
Welcome, Justice Sotomayor.
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Pianobuff Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:10:37pm |
re: #4 Pianobuff
Say the title 5 times fast. Betcha you can’t!
Oh… and good luck with your new job, Your Honor.
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acwgusa Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:11:39pm |
Assonance and Alliteration. Charles is the Lizard King.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:11:41pm |
re: #4 Pianobuff
Say the title 5 times fast. Betcha you can’t!
I found it hard to say it even once, it just kinda stuck in my craw.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:12:41pm |
I am ambivalent, but I’m buying another pistol asap
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:13:59pm |
Not unexpected nor surprising, even if the MSM wants to make hay of it.
Pardon me whilst I turn off the bloviating TV and radio pundits and yawn.
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badger1970 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:15:52pm |
At least it wasn’t Justice Clinton, *shudder*. I’m sure Justice Sotomayor will keep Justice Ginsberg awake when needed. I’ll wait and see to wonder if she can perform at that pay level (can’t be any worse than Souter).
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Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:16:21pm |
Since she’s been accused of being a “judicial activist,” the previous story about the Michael Yon post illustrates what a real judicial activist looks like — Judge Bates, who ruled that all battlefield detainees should have rights of habeas corpus.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:16:24pm |
re: #10 Honorary Yooper
Not unexpected nor surprising, even if the MSM wants to make hay of it.
Pardon me whilst I turn off the bloviating TV and radio pundits and yawn.
Not a whole lot of good news out there. But they have to keep the spin machines going or else suffer a catastrophic failure when they are most needed to perform CYA for OMO.
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Pianobuff Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:16:46pm |
Somewhere in the last month or so I read a very interesting article. It was inside baseball stuff that theorized her biggest immediate goal/challenge/etc ought to be to set up a good rapport with Kennedy.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:17:24pm |
re: #12 Charles
Since she’s been accused of being a “judicial activist,” the previous story illustrates what a real judicial activist looks like — Judge Bates, who ruled that all battlefield detainees should have rights of habeas corpus.
Would you quit making sense? You have the annoying habit of deflating a good rant! ;)
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:18:22pm |
How about George Lopez for the next supreme court nominee? Then we can have the first “Wise-Ass Latino” on the court. /
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:19:00pm |
re: #17 buzzsawmonkey
If Charles is going to Stop Making Sense, isn’t he going to have to get a David Byrne Big Suit?
He’ll be really sweaty, too.
/
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:19:11pm |
re: #4 Pianobuff
Say the title 5 times fast. Betcha you can’t!
The sixth sick sheik’s sixth sheep’s sick.
A skunk sat on a stump and thunk the stump stunk, but the stump thunk the skunk stunk.
Six slippery snails slid slowly seaward.
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jpkoch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:19:36pm |
The only consolation is that she is not Souter (At least conservatives do not have to read opinions offered up by a justice appointed by a Republican). Souter voted consistently with the most liberal wing of the High Court. I suppose, Justice Sottomayer will be maybe a tad more “centrist”. And today’s Centrist was yesterday’s Radical. If Earl Warren was brought back in to today’s Court, he would find himself caught between Justice Kennedy and Justice Breyer.
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dmutka420 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:20:06pm |
Maybe a clansman or a black panther for the next appointment?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:20:08pm |
re: #20 OldLineTexan
He’ll be really sweaty, too.
/
Charles is playing the Flying Dutchman Treasure Hunt game again?
/ egregious Spongebob Squarepants reference
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Pianobuff Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:20:43pm |
re: #21 Silvergirl
The sixth sick sheik’s sixth sheep’s sick.
A skunk sat on a stump and thunk the stump stunk, but the stump thunk the skunk stunk.
Six slippery snails slid slowly seaward.
The hardest one for me was the most innocent-looking of them all…
“Toy Boat”
It’s maddening.
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jpkoch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:21:24pm |
re: #18 DaddyG
How about George Lopez for the next supreme court nominee? Then we can have the first “Wise-Ass Latino” on the court. /
Actually, I was thinking of Al Franken. It would make about as much sense.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:22:09pm |
re: #26 jpkoch
Actually, I was thinking of Al Franken. It would make about as much sense.
I’ll start worshiping a black rock if/when that happens.
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acwgusa Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:22:16pm |
re: #12 Charles
Since she’s been accused of being a “judicial activist,” the previous story about the Michael Yon post illustrates what a real judicial activist looks like — Judge Bates, who ruled that all battlefield detainees should have rights of habeas corpus.
Looks like we won’t be taking any more prisoners.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:22:40pm |
re: #12 Charles
Since she’s been accused of being a “judicial activist,” the previous story about the Michael Yon post illustrates what a real judicial activist looks like — Judge Bates, who ruled that all battlefield detainees should have rights of habeas corpus.
It will be interesting to see how the appeals court and SCOTUS rule on that.
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:23:27pm |
re: #26 jpkoch
Actually, I was thinking of Al Franken. It would make about as much sense.
“Dumb-ass honkey?” /
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Danny Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:23:29pm |
I wonder if her appointment had anything to do with her being hispanic and female.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:23:44pm |
re: #30 Ward Cleaver
It will be interesting to see how the appeals court and SCOTUS rule on that.
Was it derived from a penumbra or an emanation?
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JustABill Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:24:00pm |
re: #26 jpkoch
Actually, I was thinking of Al Franken. It would make about as much sense.
Well, “he’s good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like him.”
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gmsc Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:24:01pm |
re: #32 Danny
I wonder if her appointment had anything to do with her being hispanic and female.
No - it’s because she’s “wise” and “latina”. That’s completely different.
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:24:11pm |
re: #29 acwgusa
Looks like we won’t be taking any more prisoners.
Gee, what is the alternative to taking prisiners? /rhetorical snark
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badger1970 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:24:27pm |
re: #22 jpkoch
The shock and awe wears off after awhile. What used to cause outrage and gnashing of teeth only yields a collective yawn. For example, SCOTUS is mostly…Catholic.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:24:31pm |
re: #33 OldLineTexan
Was it derived from a penumbra or an emanation?
Whole cloth from the experience of a wise Latina might be the new meme.
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Ghost of Alouette Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:24:42pm |
re: #12 Charles
Since she’s been accused of being a “judicial activist,” the previous story illustrates what a real judicial activist looks like — Judge Bates, who ruled that all battlefield detainees should have rights of habeas corpus.
Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and put the entire Maryland state legislature under arrest.
He also didn’t give a shit what the media said about him.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:24:42pm |
re: #36 DaddyG
Gee, what is the alternative to taking prisiners? /rhetorical snark
Gift baskets and a ride back to your hideout?
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John Neverbend Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:24:50pm |
re: #32 Danny
I wonder if her appointment had anything to do with her being hispanic and female.
Absolutamente nada.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:25:24pm |
re: #29 acwgusa
Looks like we won’t be taking any more prisoners.
No, there would be an enormous scandal if the military did what they always used to do, executing unlawful combatants on the battlefield. We’d never hear the end of it.
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:25:27pm |
re: #33 OldLineTexan
Was it derived from a penumbra or an emanation?
I had penumbra emanations as a youth but the Dr. said they were normal and nothing to worry about. /
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jpkoch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:25:45pm |
re: #30 Ward Cleaver
It’s called mining for future Acron members. First, capture them on the battlefield; second, get them sent to a “maximum security prison in the states; third, get the ACLU to troll for a judge to get them released in the states. And, Bingo!, new Acron Member. Marvelous!
/sarc off
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:25:47pm |
re: #32 Danny
I wonder if her appointment had anything to do with her being hispanic and female.
Moot issue since her qualifications have already been dissected by Congress.
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:25:48pm |
re: #36 DaddyG
Gee, what is the alternative to taking prisiners? /rhetorical snark
O.K. We can’t hold you any more. Tell you what. You run to that rock over yonder. We’ll stop shooting when you get there.//
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:25:49pm |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:25:59pm |
re: #39 Alouette
Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and put the entire Maryland state legislature under arrest.
He also didn’t give a shit what the media said about him.
Yeah, libs would hate Abe way more than GWB if they were intellectually honest.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:26:13pm |
re: #33 OldLineTexan
Was it derived from a penumbra or an emanation?
Don’t be talking ‘bout their bodily functions!
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:26:25pm |
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acwgusa Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:26:27pm |
re: #36 DaddyG
Gee, what is the alternative to taking prisiners? /rhetorical snark
I plead the 5th to avoid getting banned by Charles.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:26:36pm |
re: #42 Ward Cleaver
No, there would be an enormous scandal if the military did what they always used to do, executing unlawful combatants on the battlefield. We’d never hear the end of it.
should not hear about it in the first place…war is dirty business
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gmsc Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:26:38pm |
re: #26 jpkoch
Actually, I was thinking of Al Franken. It would make about as much sense.
Al Franken - yet more proof of the Saturday Night Live “F” curse. Ever notice that, when it comes to SNL regulars, the people whose last names begin with the letter F are always the least funny people in the cast?
Jimmy Fallon
Chris Farley
Will Ferrell
Tina Fey
Al Franken
…
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:26:44pm |
re: #44 jpkoch
It’s called mining for future Acron members. First, capture them on the battlefield; second, get them sent to a “maximum security prison in the states; third, get the ACLU to troll for a judge to get them released in the states. And, Bingo!, new Acron Member. Marvelous!
/sarc off
Acron? Isn’t that in Ohio?
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Ghost of Alouette Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:26:51pm |
re: #49 OldLineTexan
Yeah, libs would hate Abe way more than GWB if they were intellectually honest.
He was a Republican, too.
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Jack Burton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:26:53pm |
re: #42 Ward Cleaver
No, there would be an enormous scandal if the military did what they always used to do, executing unlawful combatants on the battlefield. We’d never hear the end of it.
We would be actually following the Geneva Conventions though so the LLL morons who cry about that can go piss up a rope.
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doppelganglander Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:27:00pm |
Now that we’ve had 3 female justices, can we please stop noticing it?
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:27:00pm |
Boy am I glad it’s finally over with…
I can now confess that I find her irresistibly physically attractive!!
Excuse me …
Gotta go!I have an appointment with my personal QUACK!!
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:27:05pm |
re: #48 Cato the Elder
A ticket to Bermuda?
Well hell, now I want to be captured.
/maybe after hurricane season, come to think of it
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:27:16pm |
re: #43 DaddyG
I had penumbra emanations as a youth but the Dr. said they were normal and nothing to worry about. /
So THAT’s where the skid marks come from!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:27:18pm |
re: #56 Alouette
He was a Republican, too.
Yeah, but the Republican party was brand-spanking new then.
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saberry0530 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:27:30pm |
re: #49 OldLineTexan
Yeah, libs would hate Abe way more than GWB if they were intellectually honest.
Their version of history is quite different than the truth.
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:27:43pm |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:27:53pm |
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:28:02pm |
re: #58 doppelganglander
Now that we’ve had 3 female justices, can we please stop noticing it?
Especially since none of them looks like Adriana Lima.
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Buster Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:28:14pm |
The next landmark for the court will be to have a nominee go through the entire process without the MSM tallying the race, sex, religion, sexual preference (you know it’s coming), etc.; and simply report on their experience and view of the Constitution. I doubt I will live to see the day though.
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Macker Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:28:15pm |
Very well, Gospodin President, you have your SCOTUS Justice. We will bide our time until either you are voted out of office…OR you select a like-minded person to replace one of the Conservative Justices (or Justice Kennedy), should, Heaven Forbid, anything happen to them. And that will make the health care debate pale in comparison.
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itellu3times Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:28:39pm |
re: #12 Charles
Since she’s been accused of being a “judicial activist,” the previous story about the Michael Yon post illustrates what a real judicial activist looks like — Judge Bates, who ruled that all battlefield detainees should have rights of habeas corpus.
I hope they don’t do any racial profiling, out there in Afghanistan, like arresting too many men with beards.
/who of course constitute a race
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jpkoch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:28:53pm |
re: #37 badger1970
The shock and awe wears off after awhile. What used to cause outrage and gnashing of teeth only yields a collective yawn. For example, SCOTUS is mostly…Catholic.
See what 40 years of Guitar Masses leads to? Before you know it some famous Catholic University will award President Obama with an Honoroary Doctorate Degree… We all know that is impossible, isn’t it?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:28:57pm |
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Danny Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:00pm |
re: #58 doppelganglander
Now that we’ve had 3 female justices, can we please stop noticing it?
You left out “only”
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:00pm |
re: #65 OldLineTexan
Chris Farley is freakin’ hilarious.
Dead, too.
It’s too bad they couldn’t bury him in a van, down by the river!
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badger1970 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:08pm |
re: #46 FurryOldGuyJeans
She wouldn’t have been a justice if she wasn’t nominated. She most likely was nominated partially due to her ethnicity. But again, you are correct in saying that Congress have dissected her rulings and deemed her qualified.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:18pm |
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Equable Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:25pm |
re: #64 DaddyG
Will do.
I mean I have a lot more to say about the issue, but at this point it’s done, nothing can be done about it, and it’s time to hurry up and wait to see what she does.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:35pm |
re: #64 DaddyG
Next time you have to go whee please find a rest stop. /
How to Piss Off Your Wife:
Go on road trip
Make pit stop
Ten minutes later, explain that you have to go wee
Pull over to side of road
Roll down window
Shout “whee!”
Roll up window
Drive
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:36pm |
re: #54 gmsc
I will give Farley credit for the chippendales routine with Patrick Swayze. That was funny.
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acwgusa Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:51pm |
re: #68 Macker
Very well, Gospodin President, you have your SCOTUS Justice. We will bide our time until either you are voted out of office…OR you select a like-minded person to replace one of the Conservative Justices (or Justice Kennedy), should, Heaven Forbid, anything happen to them. And that will make the health care debate pale in comparison.
We’ll just be accused of Astro-Turfing the next nominee as well. Us plebes don’t know nothing. Remember, Obama knows what we need better then we do.
//
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Buster Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:52pm |
re: #65 OldLineTexan
Chris Farley is freakin’ hilarious.
Dead, too.
He’s not dead! He’s just living in a van…down by the river!
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John Neverbend Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:52pm |
re: #54 gmsc
Al Franken - yet more proof of the Saturday Night Live “F” curse. Ever notice that, when it comes to SNL regulars, the people whose last names begin with the letter F are always the least funny people in the cast?
Jimmy Fallon
Chris Farley
Will Ferrell
Tina Fey
Al Franken
…
..(scraping the bottom of the barrel a bit) and Jon Stewart written in olde English script would look like Jon Ftewart.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:53pm |
re: #66 Ward Cleaver
Especially since none of them looks like Adriana Lima.
Trying to conjure up OR, are we?
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:30:01pm |
re: #54 gmsc
Al Franken - yet more proof of the Saturday Night Live “F” curse. Ever notice that, when it comes to SNL regulars, the people whose last names begin with the letter F are always the least funny people in the cast?
Jimmy Fallon
Chris Farley
Will Ferrell
Tina Fey
Al Franken
…
What? Chris Farley was one of the best!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:30:12pm |
Nine Republicans voted in her favor. Find out who they are and vote them out next time.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:30:26pm |
re: #70 Clutch
Tequila ‘n tacos tonight!!!
Tacos for the dog, eh?
Texas Breakfast, a quart of moonshine, a 2 pound steak and a hound dog. Why the dog? Someone’s got to eat the steak!
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Out Of The Inkwell Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:30:40pm |
Now that BHO’s rewarded the Latin/Latina vote, he can spend more time demonizing all who disagree with him and his policies.
Anyone been to the White House’s TIP (Turn in a Protester) website yet?
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jpkoch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:30:51pm |
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John Neverbend Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:30:56pm |
re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Will Ferrell is very funny. So is Tina Fey.
Franken? Not so much.
John Derbyshire described Franken as “America’s least funny funny man.”
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:30:56pm |
re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Will Ferrell is very funny. So is Tina Fey.
Franken? Not so much.
Tina Fey hasn’t been funny since she ran for Veep.
/libtard
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:31:05pm |
re: #86 Walter L. Newton
Nine Republicans voted in her favor. Find out who they are and vote them out next time.
I wish I could. All of my federal representatives are Ds.
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Rancher Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:31:06pm |
I asked earlier in the terrorists habeas corpus thread how she might rule on issues regarding enemy combatants. I found this quote here:
“Now, many of you might ask, Why does anyone care if a terrorist is being tried by a military court?” she said. “As to what is the big deal — first and foremost, military tribunals do not have juries. Second, they are not bound by the rules of evidence or exclusionary rules. Military tribunals can convict on evidence the defendant has not seen. Finally, the burden of proof is different.”
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itellu3times Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:31:22pm |
re: #86 Walter L. Newton
Nine Republicans voted in her favor. Find out who they are and vote them out next time.
Now, or can we wait until Sotomayor confirms the worst predictions?
/I suppose by the time the 2010 elections take place we should have some samples
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:31:40pm |
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:31:44pm |
re: #78 OldLineTexan
How to Piss Off Your Wife:
Go on road trip
Make pit stop
Ten minutes later, explain that you have to go wee
Pull over to side of road
Roll down window
Shout “whee!”
Roll up window
Drive
That is SO something I would do! And, yes, she would be pissed ;-)
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doppelganglander Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:31:46pm |
re: #82 John Neverbend
..(scraping the bottom of the barrel a bit) and Jon Stewart written in olde English script would look like Jon Ftewart.
Stewart was never on SNL. And I think Tina Fey is hilarious.
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John Neverbend Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:32:07pm |
re: #86 Walter L. Newton
Nine Republicans voted in her favor. Find out who they are and vote them out next time.
Report them to flag@whereveritis.com for “fishy” behaviour.
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Macker Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:32:35pm |
From Fox News:
“The nine Senate Republicans who voted to confirm her were Senators George Voinovich of Ohio, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, Kit Bond of Missouri, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Susan Collins of Maine, Olympia Snowe of Maine, Mel Martinez of Florida, Richard Lugar of Indiana and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. “
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acwgusa Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:32:44pm |
re: #78 OldLineTexan
How to Piss Off Your Wife:
Go on road trip
Make pit stop
Ten minutes later, explain that you have to go wee
Pull over to side of road
Roll down window
Shout “whee!”
Roll up window
Drive
Once again, my coworkers think I’m nuts. Thanks.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:33:04pm |
re: #98 John Neverbend
Report them to flag@whereveritis.com for “fishy” behaviour.
I’m sure that any member of Congress that DIDN’T vote for her has already had an entry made in The Files.
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Danny Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:33:27pm |
re: #86 Walter L. Newton
Nine Republicans voted in her favor. Find out who they are and vote them out next time.
Don’t worry, they’ll never survive the hispanics and women voter “backlash.” At leastlthat’s what I was told by MSM.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:33:32pm |
re: #99 Macker
From Fox News:
“The nine Senate Republicans who voted to confirm her were Senators George Voinovich of Ohio, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, Kit Bond of Missouri, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Susan Collins of Maine, Olympia Snowe of Maine, Mel Martinez of Florida, Richard Lugar of Indiana and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. “
Yes, the usual suspects. Especially those two dimbulbs from Maine.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:33:41pm |
re: #99 Macker
From Fox News:
“The nine Senate Republicans who voted to confirm her were Senators George Voinovich of Ohio, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, Kit Bond of Missouri, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Susan Collins of Maine, Olympia Snowe of Maine, Mel Martinez of Florida, Richard Lugar of Indiana and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. “
Of the names I know, no surprise there.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:33:44pm |
re: #94 itellu3times
Now, or can we wait until Sotomayor confirms the worst predictions?
/I suppose by the time the 2010 elections take place we should have some samples
I want to the Republicans who voted for her OUT on principle. It was an automatic win for her, those 9 Republicans were not needed, and as conservatives, they should have stuck to their values.
That why we have shit for conservative brains in Washington. They are not there representing us.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:34:09pm |
re: #99 Macker
From Fox News:
“The nine Senate Republicans who voted to confirm her were Senators George Voinovich of Ohio, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, Kit Bond of Missouri,
Lindsey Graham of South Carolina
Susan Collins of Maine
Olympia Snowe of Maine
, Mel Martinez of Florida, Richard Lugar of Indiana and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. “
Three more heart-shattering shocks.
/
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John Neverbend Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:34:24pm |
re: #97 doppelganglander
Stewart was never on SNL. And I think Tina Fey is hilarious.
My sources tell me Ftewart was indeed on SNL. Tina Fey is ok, but Sarah Palin is much more attractive. I know this, ‘coz Alec Baldwin said it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:34:25pm |
re: #79 DaddyG
I will give Farley credit for the chippendales routine with Patrick Swayze. That was funny.
Funny? Brave and hysterical!
One of the funniest skits ever done on SNL. And only Chris could’ve pulled it off.
I also enjoyed “Massive Head-Wound Harry”. But it isn’t relevant.
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Equable Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:34:26pm |
re: #78 OldLineTexan
One time during a road-trip to the Mojave Phone Booth (look up the epic story, you won’t be disappointed) I did an awesome Chinese fire drill.
I was alone.
I was satisfied with my decision.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:34:28pm |
re: #105 Walter L. Newton
I want to the Republicans who voted for her OUT on principle. It was an automatic win for her, those 9 Republicans were not needed, and as conservatives, they should have stuck to their values.
That why we have shit for conservative brains in Washington. They are not there representing us.
Look at the names, Walter. Nary a Conservative in the bunch.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:34:39pm |
re: #86 Walter L. Newton
Nine Republicans voted in her favor. Find out who they are and vote them out next time.
Why?
Sotomayor is eminently qualified. She’s the opposite of a judicial activist, if you read her opinions. She’s not even a liberal jurist, but a moderate/centrist.
Finally, she’s replacing Souter, and so will not change the balance of the court even if she were a lib. It’s also entirely possible that she’ll turn out to be just as big a suprise to Obama as Souter was to Bush.
I truly don’t understand the GOP opposition to her. Her confirmation was assured and she doesn’t change the balance of the court. This was a chance for the GOP to make some points and gain support from the Hispanic community, and they blew it by only confirming their appearance as the “Party of No.” I don’t get it.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:35:15pm |
elections have consequences …
I have no problem with Justice Sotomayor, but elections have consequences.
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NelsFree Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:35:27pm |
re: #42 Ward Cleaver
No, there would be an enormous scandal if the military did what they always used to do, executing unlawful combatants on the battlefield. We’d never hear the end of it.
Excuse me, do you have evidence in support of your claim? The Japanese and Nazis and Russians executed en masse. I know of no American version of that.
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JustABill Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:35:31pm |
re: #58 doppelganglander
Now that we’ve had 3 female justices, can we please stop noticing it?
I don’t know that Ginsburg was pretty hot! ///(I hope that is enough /’s, brain bleach available upon request.)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:35:32pm |
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S'latch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:35:36pm |
I want to read opinions by Scalia joined by Thomas, Roberts, Alito and Sotomayor.
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Clutch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:35:37pm |
re: #87 FurryOldGuyJeans
Tacos for the dog, eh?
Texas Breakfast, a quart of moonshine, a 2 pound steak and a hound dog. Why the dog? Someone’s got to eat the steak!
Yep, some for the pup and tacos for the kids, too. Me & Ms. Clutch will go drink a toast to our “wise Latina” and fervently pray she doesn’t turn out as bad as we think she will be. =8-O
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Rancher Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:35:41pm |
re: #86 Walter L. Newton
Nine Republicans voted in her favor. Find out who they are and vote them out next time.
She’s qualified. That is supposed to be the only thing they should consider. We are as bad as the Dems when we start to judge their qualifications to be on the court by whether they have the same political opinions as us.
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wrenchwench Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:36:00pm |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:36:02pm |
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Equable Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:37:04pm |
re: #114 NelsFree
Not that I blame them, but when our forces liberated Dachau (my Grandfather was there, God bless him) our soldiers, completely infuriated by what they saw there began to execute Nazi officers.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:37:13pm |
re: #112 iceweasel
Why?
Sotomayor is eminently qualified. She’s the opposite of a judicial activist, if you read her opinions. She’s not even a liberal jurist, but a moderate/centrist.Finally, she’s replacing Souter, and so will not change the balance of the court even if she were a lib. It’s also entirely possible that she’ll turn out to be just as big a suprise to Obama as Souter was to Bush.
I truly don’t understand the GOP opposition to her. Her confirmation was assured and she doesn’t change the balance of the court. This was a chance for the GOP to make some points and gain support from the Hispanic community, and they blew it by only confirming their appearance as the “Party of No.” I don’t get it.
Because I said so. :)
You answered your own question. Because she was assured the vote and I would like to see ALL our so called conservative politicians in Washington act like conservatives.
It’s on principle, which politicians have been loosing surly but slowly.
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Clubsec Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:37:15pm |
I’ve got an idea … lets micro-scribe the well know words from the Miranda rights ruling on the all the FMJ’s (rifle ammo) issued to our Marines and Army folks.
It begins with … ‘You have the right to remain silent …’
Put that in the Amicus brief for Judge Bates to ponder.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:37:15pm |
re: #114 NelsFree
Excuse me, do you have evidence in support of your claim? The Japanese and Nazis and Russians executed en masse. I know of no American version of that.
The key words are unlawful combatants.
And yes, the US executed unlawful combatants in post-surrender Germany, some of them teenagers. See “Operation Werewolf”, IIRC.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:37:31pm |
re: #112 iceweasel
Wow, gaining political brownie points in the Hispanic community. Great qualification there.
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gmsc Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:37:42pm |
re: #65 OldLineTexan
Chris Farley is freakin’ hilarious.
Dead, too.
Really? I haven’t seen anything he’s done that makes me laugh.
re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Will Ferrell is very funny. So is Tina Fey.
Franken? Not so much.
I’m only familiar with Will’s and Tina’s TV and movie works, so I haven’t seen any of their funny stuff.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:37:43pm |
re: #121 OldLineTexan
Hispanics are that shallow?
C’mon.
No, just making a point that it’s a group demographic that the Republicans are faring very poorly with. Also it’s a demographic that, if the stats are right, no one will be able to win without by 2030.
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:37:47pm |
re: #78 OldLineTexan
Good one. I also demonstrated how to dribble on the basketball court to my daughter when she was 14. After watching me stand there and drool spittle for a moment she told me I was gross. That was a good parenting moment.
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Rancher Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:38:00pm |
re: #120 wrenchwench
Did she say it like that was a good thing?
My take was she thought not giving them the same rights as US criminals was a problem.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:38:04pm |
re: #119 Rancher
She’s qualified. That is supposed to be the only thing they should consider. We are as bad as the Dems when we start to judge their qualifications to be on the court by whether they have the same political opinions as us.
She’s a racist.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:38:16pm |
re: #86 Walter L. Newton
Nine Republicans voted in her favor. Find out who they are and vote them out next time.
did you ever stop and wonder why they might have voted for Justice Sotomayor? even if they had voted “no,” she would have been easily confirmed. and perhaps these Republicans believe that alienating potential Republican voters who might be Hispanic is a bad idea. Some battles are worth fighting and some are not. And this one was a losing battle from the get go.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:38:27pm |
re: #129 iceweasel
No, just making a point that it’s a group demographic that the Republicans are faring very poorly with. Also it’s a demographic that, if the stats are right, no one will be able to win without by 2030.
Then why do you propose that they would respond based on race?
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Macker Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:38:41pm |
re: #124 Walter L. Newton
Unfortunately, there are RINOs in the US Senate.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:39:09pm |
re: #133 _RememberTonyC
did you ever stop and wonder why they might have voted for Justice Sotomayor? even if they had voted “no,” she would have been easily confirmed. and perhaps these Republicans believe that alienating potential Republican voters who might be Hispanic is a bad idea. Some battles are worth fighting and some are not. And this one was a losing battle from the get go.
Principles are worth fighting, are they not?
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:39:21pm |
re: #134 OldLineTexan
Then why do you propose that they would respond based on race?
That’s not what I’m proposing. This was an opportunity for the GOP to make some points. They blew it.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:39:30pm |
re: #124 Walter L. Newton
Because I said so. :)
You answered your own question. Because she was assured the vote and I would like to see ALL our so called conservative politicians in Washington act like conservatives.
It’s on principle, which politicians have been loosing surly but slowly.
Walter, the Gang of Nine Republicans are not conservative.
At least Arlen Specter showed the bold move of joining the party he is more in-line with ideologically.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:39:51pm |
re: #133 _RememberTonyC
did you ever stop and wonder why they might have voted for Justice Sotomayor? even if they had voted “no,” she would have been easily confirmed. and perhaps these Republicans believe that alienating potential Republican voters who might be Hispanic is a bad idea. Some battles are worth fighting and some are not. And this one was a losing battle from the get go.
Exactly. Well stated.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:40:06pm |
re: #130 DaddyG
Good one. I also demonstrated how to dribble on the basketball court to my daughter when she was 14. After watching me stand there and drool spittle for a moment she told me I was gross. That was a good parenting moment.
It is my opinion as a father of four daughters that a Dad who fails to seriously embarrass his daughter by acting stoopid on a regular basis is failing to provide the firmest bond of all to their relationship.
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formercorpsman Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:40:26pm |
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:40:37pm |
re: #129 iceweasel
No, just making a point that it’s a group demographic that the Republicans are faring very poorly with. Also it’s a demographic that, if the stats are right, no one will be able to win without by 2030.
that right there is why she was nominated in the first place…bet on it…she will be used politically and I stand with a NO just because BO nominated her
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:40:40pm |
re: #114 NelsFree
Excuse me, do you have evidence in support of your claim? The Japanese and Nazis and Russians executed en masse. I know of no American version of that.
San Patricios in the Mexican American war were tried for treason and executed as a group on the battlefield. You have to dig into history to find it and the circumstances were pretty extreme. But no, the American millitery is not one to execute large groups.
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Macker Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:40:47pm |
re: #140 FurryOldGuyJeans
Walter, the Gang of Nine Republicans are not conservative.
At least Arlen
SpecterSphincter showed the bold move of joining the party he is more in-line with ideologically.
There, fixed that for ya!
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:40:57pm |
re: #139 iceweasel
That’s not what I’m proposing. This was an opportunity for the GOP to make some points. They blew it.
I’m sorry, that was exactly what you proposed. A monolithic response by Hispanic voters based on racial pandering.
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Pianobuff Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:41:01pm |
re: #140 FurryOldGuyJeans
Walter, the Gang of Nine Republicans are not conservative.
At least Arlen Specter showed the bold move of joining the party he is more in-line with ideologically.
Pennsylvania Senate - Specter vs. Toomey Quinnipiac Specter 45, Toomey 44 Specter +1
Pennsylvania Senate - Democratic Primary Quinnipiac Specter 55, Sestak 23 Specter +32
Pennsylvania Senate - Sestak vs. Toomey Quinnipiac Sestak 35, Toomey 39 Toomey +4
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SummerSong Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:41:28pm |
When I was a young girl, I looked forward to the days when females could rise to the top levels of all human endeavors. I hadn’t yet realized that I wouldn’t care for some of those females. Live and learn.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:41:28pm |
re: #135 Macker
Unfortunately, there are RINOs in the US Senate.
And back to my point, vote them out. Let’s stop being afraid of being CONSERVATIVE. Let’s start acting like one.
Dammit, the left has really done a very good job of cowering us, haven’t they. You have a woman who made the kind of statement she made about “latina women,” and that doesn’t bother you? That would (and is) the end of it for me. Period. No compromise. I don’t want her in there.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:41:38pm |
re: #138 Walter L. Newton
Principles are worth fighting, are they not?
yes, but not all of them are worth going to the mat for. sometimes you have to take a step backwards in order to take 2 steps forward.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:41:44pm |
re: #140 FurryOldGuyJeans
Walter, the Gang of Nine Republicans are not conservative.
At least Arlen Specter showed the bold move of joining the party he is more in-line with ideologically.
Vote them out then.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:41:51pm |
re: #144 albusteve
I stand with a NO just because BO nominated her
This is the kind of “reason” and “thinking” that makes people see Republicans as obstructionists and the party of No.
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Clutch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:42:07pm |
re: #136 MikeySDCA
Seven course Irish dinner: a boiled potato and a six-pack.
Can I have mine baked, since I’d be workin’ on getting the same?
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doppelganglander Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:42:09pm |
re: #108 John Neverbend
My sources tell me Ftewart was indeed on SNL. Tina Fey is ok, but Sarah Palin is much more attractive. I know this, ‘coz Alec Baldwin said it.
He was never a regular cast member. However, he was a host in 2002 and appears in “The Best of Tracy Morgan (uncredited).
Sarah Palin is more attractive, but Tina Fey is funnier. Well, Sarah is funny sometimes, but usually not intentionally.
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Rancher Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:42:20pm |
re: #132 Walter L. Newton
She’s a racist.
I don’t think so, not in the sense we commonly associate with the word. Literally any minority who favors special treatment for their race is a racist and she certainly fits that definition, but then so do 90% of most minorities.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:42:37pm |
re: #151 _RememberTonyC
yes, but not all of them are worth going to the mat for. sometimes you have to take a step backwards in order to take 2 steps forward.
I don’t compromise my principles just to get ahead, which is probably why I stumble a lot. But I really feel better in the morning.
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wahabicorridor Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:42:56pm |
re: #114 NelsFree
Excuse me, do you have evidence in support of your claim? The Japanese and Nazis and Russians executed en masse. I know of no American version of that.
You’re right. BUT. We did execute illegal enemy combatants in the field in the European theater. Ever hear of the Werewolves? Basically, they were teenagers who signed up to conduct guerila war against the Allies (this was toward the end of the War).
We gave ‘em a blindfold, tied them to posts and shot them.
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Pianobuff Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:43:03pm |
re: #153 iceweasel
This is the kind of “reason” and “thinking” that makes people see Republicans as obstructionists and the party of No.
albusteve = R?
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:43:16pm |
re: #147 OldLineTexan
I’m sorry, that was exactly what you proposed. A monolithic response by Hispanic voters based on racial pandering.
yes exactly…there is big trouble looming down the road and we will regret her confirmation imo
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JustABill Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:43:40pm |
re: #114 NelsFree
Excuse me, do you have evidence in support of your claim? The Japanese and Nazis and Russians executed en masse. I know of no American version of that.
I believe he is talking about combatants not in uniforms. They are afforded no protections under the Geneva Conventions and may be shot as spies, as happened here.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:43:57pm |
re: #147 OldLineTexan
I’m sorry, that was exactly what you proposed. A monolithic response by Hispanic voters based on racial pandering.
Pointing out that the Hispanic community is celebrating her appointment, and that the GOP has a problem with the Hispanic demographic already, is just commonsense.
You can continue to try to distort my statements and paint me as some kind of racist, but you’re wrong.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:44:02pm |
re: #153 iceweasel
This is the kind of “reason” and “thinking” that makes people see Republicans as obstructionists and the party of No.
what people?, liberals?…so what, it’s not the truth
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:44:02pm |
re: #153 iceweasel
This is the kind of “reason” and “thinking” that makes people see Republicans as obstructionists and the party of No.
I don’t give a flying fuck how some people see us, I’m only concerned with how conservatives see us. I’m not trying to please people in general. I want politicians that represent me, as they promised, and represent the will of the people that elected them.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:44:03pm |
re: #151 _RememberTonyC
yes, but not all of them are worth going to the mat for. sometimes you have to take a step backwards in order to take 2 steps forward.
So far I see a whole lot of waiting and not a lot of going to the mat. Taking chances and failing from time to time is infinitely better than not doing anything until it is 100% safe.
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formercorpsman Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:44:39pm |
re: #112 iceweasel
We are diametrically opposed politically, but I agree with the sentiment of your post.
With all of the variables, there was nothing to gain by opposing her appointment.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:45:18pm |
re: #152 Walter L. Newton
Vote them out then.
As I said earlier I wish I could. All I have is a crop of Ds I keep trying to give the boot to.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:45:19pm |
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NelsFree Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:45:33pm |
re: #112 iceweasel
Why?
I truly don’t understand the GOP opposition to her. Her confirmation was assured and she doesn’t change the balance of the court. This was a chance for the GOP to make some points and gain support from the Hispanic community, and they blew it by only confirming their appearance as the “Party of No.” I don’t get it.
Bork
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Estrada
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
A quote from Wikipedia about Estrada:’
“With the benefit of hindsight, Jan Crawford Greenburg has said of the nomination that “f Majority Leader Bill Frist had shown real leadership, he would never have allowed a Democratic majority to achieve the first-ever filibusters of appeals court nominees. If Trent Lott had been majority leader, Estrada would have been confirmed.”
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:45:38pm |
re: #164 Walter L. Newton
I don’t give a flying fuck how some people see us, I’m only concerned with how conservatives see us.
I think it’s a better strategy to also think about how one’s party appears to centrists, independents, and moderates as well. If you want to expand your base, that is.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:45:57pm |
re: #162 iceweasel
Pointing out that the Hispanic community is celebrating her appointment, and that the GOP has a problem with the Hispanic demographic already, is just commonsense.
You can continue to try to distort my statements and paint me as some kind of racist, but you’re wrong.
Oh, holy shit.
Distort?
Racist?
What a martyr complex to develop over someone responding to what you type. You must be a conservative.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:46:09pm |
re: #162 iceweasel
Pointing out that the Hispanic community is celebrating her appointment, and that the GOP has a problem with the Hispanic demographic already, is just commonsense.
You can continue to try to distort my statements and paint me as some kind of racist, but you’re wrong.
Well, if pandering is your modus operandi, then fine, go for the demographics. If your interest is sticking to a political principle, then you don’t suck up.
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SecondComing Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:46:16pm |
Interesting:
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:46:38pm |
re: #153 iceweasel
This is the kind of “reason” and “thinking” that makes people see Republicans as obstructionists and the party of No.
Party of No. Got it. That’s twice. Is the third time the charm, or are we hard of hearing?
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:46:39pm |
re: #157 Walter L. Newton
I don’t compromise my principles just to get ahead, which is probably why I stumble a lot. But I really feel better in the morning.
Walter, I suppose it all depends on how you frame it. I can respect your opinion on this. And I might feel more like you if Sotomayor were replacing a conservative justice. But since she is replacing Souter, I see this one as a “push.” And the price that Republicans would be paying with Hispanic voters reminds me of the cliche “win the battle but lose the war.”
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Pianobuff Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:47:01pm |
re: #168 albusteve
call me whatever you want…I know what I am
I thought you had mentioned somewhere that you weren’t R which was the reason behind the question mark. Not challenging at all, so I hope it wasn’t taken that way.
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badger1970 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:47:03pm |
re: #150 Walter L. Newton
It’s not the “la latina” remark but this nominee felt like an affirmative action nominee from the get go (with the Democrats doing the senile forgetfulness that the previous administration nominated a “latino”).
She should have never gotten to step to the plate in the first place. Once there, it became politics as usual. There was no why in hell she wasn’t going to get confirmed. The 68 for is a low enough number to remind bo that a more intolerable liberal nominee will run into trouble.
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Son of the Black Dog Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:47:11pm |
re: #137 Dianna
Was Lamar Alexander wearing a flannel shirt?
Seeing that he cast this vote, I’d suspect him of wearing a hair shirt.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:47:13pm |
re: #129 iceweasel
No, just making a point that it’s a group demographic that the Republicans are faring very poorly with. Also it’s a demographic that, if the stats are right, no one will be able to win without by 2030.
The problem is, Hispanics are not a single bloc of voters. There’s Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Mexicans, Guatemalans, etc. Even amongst the largest group, Mexicans, there’s a lot of variation.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:47:20pm |
re: #166 formercorpsman
We are diametrically opposed politically, but I agree with the sentiment of your post.
With all of the variables, there was nothing to gain by opposing her appointment.
Yeah, I just don’t get it. Nothing to gain, and a great deal to lose, it seems to me. It would have been better to save the fireworks for someone who would change the balance of the court, IMO.
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Rancher Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:47:38pm |
re: #158 wahabicorridor
You’re right. BUT. We did execute illegal enemy combatants in the field in the European theater. Ever hear of the Werewolves? Basically, they were teenagers who signed up to conduct guerila war against the Allies (this was toward the end of the War).
We gave ‘em a blindfold, tied them to posts and shot them.
Band of Brothers was supposedly pretty accurate. Did anyone see it? Allot happened in WWII that never got reported because no one cared what we did to Nazis.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:47:51pm |
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NelsFree Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:48:03pm |
re: #123 Equable
Not that I blame them, but when our forces liberated Dachau (my Grandfather was there, God bless him) our soldiers, completely infuriated by what they saw there began to execute Nazi officers.
Right after liberation, the US Commander rounded up the local German citizens and made them look at what their Fuhrer had done.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:48:05pm |
re: #175 Silvergirl
Party of No. Got it. That’s twice. Is the third time the charm, or are we hard of hearing?
Hey, don’t blame the messenger!
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:49:04pm |
re: #178 Pianobuff
I thought you had mentioned somewhere that you weren’t R which was the reason behind the question mark. Not challenging at all, so I hope it wasn’t taken that way.
I didn’t…the only group I belong to is the NRA
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Equable Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:49:13pm |
re: #185 NelsFree
What did the sign say?
“We want you to know that we know that you knew…”
… haunting words.
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:49:15pm |
Repetition.
Saying things louder doesn’t make them more true and neither does saying things over and over.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:49:26pm |
re: #170 iceweasel
I think it’s a better strategy to also think about how one’s party appears to centrists, independents, and moderates as well. If you want to expand your base, that is.
I want to attract true conservatives. It’s evident that we already have 9 rinos in Washington. Nope, I don’t want more of them. Why in the world do you insist that we need more centrists, independents, and moderates? I know why. It’s been a progressive tactic of the last number of years to try and convince conservatives that we need to be more big tent.
No, all you are trying to do is fool us into becoming more big jerks, watering down our message to “fit” all the little ticks and twitches of people who sit on the fence.
The progressives already did that, you take em.
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Macker Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:49:42pm |
re: #183 Rancher
Band of Brothers was supposedly pretty accurate. Did anyone see it? Allot happened in WWII that never got reported because no one cared what we did to Nazis.
Which is why I am SO looking forward to seeing “Inglourious Basterds”!
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:49:55pm |
re: #181 Honorary Yooper
The problem is, Hispanics are not a single bloc of voters. There’s Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Mexicans, Guatemalans, etc. Even amongst the largest group, Mexicans, there’s a lot of variation.
Very true. And actually, many people within that group would be very sympathetic to conservative principles and the GOP.
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:50:05pm |
re: #142 OldLineTexan
It is my opinion as a father of four daughters that a Dad who fails to seriously embarrass his daughter by acting stoopid on a regular basis is failing to provide the firmest bond of all to their relationship.
It prepares them for marriage.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:51:23pm |
re: #165 FurryOldGuyJeans
So far I see a whole lot of waiting and not a lot of going to the mat. Taking chances and failing from time to time is infinitely better than not doing anything until it is 100% safe.
As I said to Walter, I can respect your opinion on this. But taking a chance implies that there could be some reward for the one who takes the risk. But when Sotomayor already was a lock to be confirmed, the possibility of being rewarded for the risk of opposing her was clearly ZERO. And that makes it a risk not worth taking. There are plenty of other battles still to be fought and the ods of success will be better than they were in this case.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:51:33pm |
re: #192 iceweasel
Very true. And actually, many people within that group would be very sympathetic to conservative principles and the GOP.
and what would the GOP offer them for pander?…votes on a SC confirmation?…pretty shallow, more like and oblique bribe imo
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right_wing2 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:51:43pm |
Hurry up and buy a gun before it becomes illegal because of Sotomayor and the Obamessiah’s next pick or three.
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:51:56pm |
re: #192 iceweasel
Very true. And actually, many people within that group would be very sympathetic to conservative principles and the GOP.
They have a strong foundation of what we’d call “traditional values”- hard working and family orientated.
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wahabicorridor Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:52:03pm |
re: #183 Rancher
Band of Brothers was supposedly pretty accurate. Did anyone see it? Allot happened in WWII that never got reported because no one cared what we did to Nazis.
I seen it about 8 times! It’s accurate because it’s a true story.
re: #177 MikeySDCA
We also killed Japanese from sunken ships en masse, frequently from the air. The concern was that if they reached land they would be diifficult to remove from jungle islands.
Ah. You reminded of something. I was watching a piece on German U boats. American ships were allowed to pick up survivors IF the Germans would divulge the name of the sub and captain. One American sailor said he had a young German’s hand in his ready to haul him on board when the word came down - no rescue. He had to let him go back into the water. Never got over it.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:52:36pm |
re: #190 Walter L. Newton
I want to attract true conservatives. It’s evident that we already have 9 rinos in Washington. Nope, I don’t want more of them. Why in the world do you insist that we need more centrists, independents, and moderates? I know why. It’s been a progressive tactic of the last number of years to try and convince conservatives that we need to be more big tent.
No, all you are trying to do is fool us into becoming more big jerks, watering down our message to “fit” all the little ticks and twitches of people who sit on the fence.
The progressives already did that, you take em.
Believe it or not, I’m not saying this as part of some sinister agenda to water down the GOP. I’m making a statement about political strategy that applies to everyone. Elections aren’t won by the diehard partisans on either side, but by the vast majority of people in the middle.
It just makes sense to want as many of them on your side as possible. My opinion only.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:52:50pm |
re: #190 Walter L. Newton
I want to attract true conservatives. It’s evident that we already have 9 rinos in Washington. Nope, I don’t want more of them. Why in the world do you insist that we need more centrists, independents, and moderates? I know why. It’s been a progressive tactic of the last number of years to try and convince conservatives that we need to be more big tent.
No, all you are trying to do is fool us into becoming more big jerks, watering down our message to “fit” all the little ticks and twitches of people who sit on the fence.
The progressives already did that, you take em.
Now, do you want the kind of conservatives that promote small government, are strong on national defense issues, give business the room to prosper and employ us, or do you want the kind that throw a fit when someone somewhere is having sex?
/
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formercorpsman Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:52:54pm |
re: #182 iceweasel
I understand. I do see Walter’s point, and he is correct in part.
To often, these debates are framed with the idea people who are politically to the right should somehow play by the left’s playbook.
But this particular case in general, I think just going on what the net result is, nothing is to be gained by opposing the nomination in the end.
as far as holding her accountable for her statement, or her record on the bench, for sure. Nobody should be getting a pass to sit on the bench, but at the same time it needs to be an honest grilling of the candidate.
A legitimate grilling. No pubic hairs, assertions of papal allegiance over country, etc.
Grill her, confirm her. Next.
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jpkoch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:54:27pm |
I truly don’t understand the GOP opposition to her. Her confirmation was assured and she doesn’t change the balance of the court. This was a chance for the GOP to make some points and gain support from the Hispanic community, and they blew it by only confirming their appearance as the “Party of No.” I don’t get it.
MMmmm…sounds familiar…let’s see, Centrist: check; Qualified: check; Will apply the Law and not legislate from the Bench: check. May gosh, sounds very familiar. Bingo! The same was said about Justices Souter and Breyer. And we know what kind of Centrists they are/were.
And the Hispanic Community. Yes, they’ve been great allies of the GOP. Gotta love identity politics.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:54:38pm |
re: #199 Sharmuta
They have a strong foundation of what we’d call “traditional values”- hard working and family orientated.
Exactly. Also a lot of Catholics. In many ways large segments of the community would be a natural fit for the GOP.
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wahabicorridor Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:55:00pm |
re: #123 Equable
Not that I blame them, but when our forces liberated Dachau (my Grandfather was there, God bless him) our soldiers, completely infuriated by what they saw there began to execute Nazi officers.
The CO stopped them. Time mag ran a photo of that in the 50th anniv liberation edition. The CO then filed a report that went all the way to Patton. Who promptly placed it in the circular file. (Your grandfather was there as a soldier? or prisoner?)
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:55:23pm |
out for awhile … BBL … play nice, y’all!
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avanti Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:55:38pm |
re: #39 Alouette
Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and put the entire Maryland state legislature under arrest.
He also didn’t give a shit what the media said about him.
True, in violation of the court, I doubt that could be done today, constitutional conservatives would go nuts.
“In response to the arrest of Maryland secessionist John Merryman by Union troops, then Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Roger B. Taney defied Lincoln’s order and issued a writ of habeas corpus demanding that the U.S. Military bring Merryman before the Supreme Court. When Lincoln and the military refused to honor the writ, Chief Justice Taney in Ex-parte MERRYMAN declared Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus unconstitutional. Lincoln and the military ignored Taney’s ruling.”
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Pianobuff Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:56:09pm |
re: #201 iceweasel
Believe it or not, I’m not saying this as part of some sinister agenda to water down the GOP. I’m making a statement about political strategy that applies to everyone. Elections aren’t won by the diehard partisans on either side, but by the vast majority of people in the middle.
It just makes sense to want as many of them on your side as possible. My opinion only.
It raises an interesting question. Oddly enough, I heard or read something in the last week or two which gave me pause. It had to do with the dilution of the D’s with the increasing # of blue dogs. While giving Dems the supermajority, it also comes with its own costs/risks - healthcare being the poster child. This was the commentator’s angle. Somewhere there was a quote from a more liberal D to the effect of, “nice win guys - now we can’t have get legislation through our own party”.
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badger1970 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:56:13pm |
re: #190 Walter L. Newton
Look what happened when Jeffords jumped ship. The control was taken from the R’s and given to the D’s. I supposed Zell Miller was more R than D but he still had a D after his name. The NE rinos aren’t going away anytime soon. If they do, only a more liberal D will take their place.
What is a true conservative? I would sell my puny soul for a majority of fiscal conservatives (tax cut/spend less) in Congress at the cost of social deviance.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:56:39pm |
re: #201 iceweasel
Believe it or not, I’m not saying this as part of some sinister agenda to water down the GOP. I’m making a statement about political strategy that applies to everyone. Elections aren’t won by the diehard partisans on either side, but by the vast majority of people in the middle.
It just makes sense to want as many of them on your side as possible. My opinion only.
Nope. I only want as many TRUE CONSERVATIVES on my side. And it is an agenda to water down the GOP. You must think I am stupid if you don’t understand that is exactly what it will accomplish.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:56:54pm |
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NelsFree Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:56:54pm |
re: #170 iceweasel
I think it’s a better strategy to also think about how one’s party appears to centrists, independents, and moderates as well. If you want to expand your base, that is.
It is my opinion that the best strategy is to stand for what you believe in, espouse said beliefs frequently, and do the right thing always. That ought to attract the people worth attracting.
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formercorpsman Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:58:04pm |
re: #190 Walter L. Newton
Hey Walter. My one caveat with the situation, is that with the House, Senate, and POTUS all being out of our control, there is no way on earth we are going to get that particular SCOTUS appointment.
As well, if she is truly bad, I think the Democrats will still be stuck with holding the ball as this is an advise & consent situation.
Just my opinion.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:58:05pm |
re: #209 Pianobuff
It raises an interesting question. Oddly enough, I heard or read something in the last week or two which gave me pause. It had to do with the dilution of the D’s with the increasing # of blue dogs. While giving Dems the supermajority, it also comes with its own costs/risks - healthcare being the poster child. This was the commentator’s angle. Somewhere there was a quote from a more liberal D to the effect of, “nice win guys - now we can’t have get legislation through our own party”.
I think I read that too! It’s true. (btw, I’ll get back to you on the other thread, I promise. Haven’t had time yet, liked your points)
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:58:06pm |
re: #205 iceweasel
Exactly. Also a lot of Catholics. In many ways large segments of the community would be a natural fit for the GOP.
then they should do what they feel is best for them on principle rather than look for some special interest from the GOP
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jpkoch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:58:24pm |
Now, do you want the kind of conservatives that promote small government, are strong on national defense issues, give business the room to prosper and employ us, or do you want the kind that throw a fit when someone somewhere is having sex?
From recent events, that would be the Democratic Party. Haven’t you heard Original Sin is back in vogue again, and it isn’t the Curia that is promoting it. ObamaCare will be even more effective in fighting the Sins of the Flesh. Just think of it: everyone’s medical records in the hands of government bureaucrats. Think of the possibilities! These are great times we live in!
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Pianobuff Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:58:26pm |
re: #213 NelsFree
It is my opinion that the best strategy is to stand for what you believe in, espouse said beliefs frequently, and do the right thing always. That ought to attract the people worth attracting.
and never rat on anybody and always keep your mouth shut.
(you reminded me of a scene in Goodfellas)
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Equable Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:58:38pm |
re: #206 wahabicorridor
The CO stopped them. Time mag ran a photo of that in the 50th anniv liberation edition. The CO then filed a report that went all the way to Patton. Who promptly placed it in the circular file. (Your grandfather was there as a soldier? or prisoner?)
He was a soldier in the Seventh Army. An amazing man from an amazing generation of Americans.
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avanti Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:58:42pm |
re: #198 right_wing2
Hurry up and buy a gun before it becomes illegal because of Sotomayor and the Obamessiah’s next pick or three.
Not without a constitutional amendment, your guns are safe.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:58:51pm |
re: #212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
One of the most disturbingly hilarious things that SNL has ever done.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:58:53pm |
re: #210 badger1970
Look what happened when Jeffords jumped ship. The control was taken from the R’s and given to the D’s. I supposed Zell Miller was more R than D but he still had a D after his name. The NE rinos aren’t going away anytime soon. If they do, only a more liberal D will take their place.
What is a true conservative? I would sell my puny soul for a majority of fiscal conservatives (tax cut/spend less) in Congress at the cost of social deviance.
And so would I, yet we have a mishmash of trash up there right now, claiming to be conservatives. We can’t get them on the same page, social or fiscal. Bush was a good example of a social conservative and his fiscal policy was almost as bad as Obama’s.
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Equable Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:59:29pm |
Here is a decent account of what happened there.
[Link: www.scrapbookpages.com…]
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:59:35pm |
re: #213 NelsFree
It is my opinion that the best strategy is to stand for what you believe in, espouse said beliefs frequently, and do the right thing always. That ought to attract the people worth attracting.
Super Ding!
Someone named Reagan did that quite successfully IIRC.
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Dianna Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:59:48pm |
OT, and please forgive me, but I need to rant.
There is, on my floor of a large office building, some female who keeps leaving revolting messes in the ladies’ room. There are only 3 stalls, and all too frequently, because of these revolting messes, only two are usable.
I started to compose a nasty note, then edited it down until it’s essentially “How to be courteous, you disgusting person!”
I’d rather be really nasty. I am so sick of this!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:00:23pm |
re: #215 formercorpsman
Hey Walter. My one caveat with the situation, is that with the House, Senate, and POTUS all being out of our control, there is no way on earth we are going to get that particular SCOTUS appointment.
As well, if she is truly bad, I think the Democrats will still be stuck with holding the ball as this is an advise & consent situation.
Just my opinion.
Right, except they will hang some of the blame on the nine Republicans And they won’t remind anyone that they were RINOS. They will just say “Well, she had Republicans vote for her too!”
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JustABill Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:00:42pm |
re: #222 avanti
Not without a constitutional amendment, your guns are safe.
I don’t know , one could read the right to “bear arms” to allow tank tops or muscle shirts…
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:00:55pm |
re: #213 NelsFree
It is my opinion that the best strategy is to stand for what you believe in, espouse said beliefs frequently, and do the right thing always. That ought to attract the people worth attracting.
That’s true. Problem is, as others have said, there’s not really a coherent strategy/message on the right at the moment.
Lots of conservatives feel without a party, I note.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:01:09pm |
re: #227 Dianna
You know who it is? Go and yell at her in front of everybody. She’ll never soil a stall again.
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wahabicorridor Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:01:10pm |
re: #221 Equable
He was a soldier in the Seventh Army. An amazing man from an amazing generation of Americans.
They truly were amazing weren’t they? Dad was a bomber pilot, B-26, awarded the DFC.
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badger1970 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:01:20pm |
re: #227 Dianna
I suppose “Jane, you ignorant slut.” won’t do? (especially if her name ain’t Jane).
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Pianobuff Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:01:52pm |
re: #227 Dianna
OT, and please forgive me, but I need to rant.
There is, on my floor of a large office building, some female who keeps leaving revolting messes in the ladies’ room. There are only 3 stalls, and all too frequently, because of these revolting messes, only two are usable.
I started to compose a nasty note, then edited it down until it’s essentially “How to be courteous, you disgusting person!”
I’d rather be really nasty. I am so sick of this!
You could always take a picture of said mess and email it around giving credit where credit is due.
Or maybe not if you like your job.
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KingKenrod Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:02:08pm |
Fox is reporting Writer/Director/Producer John Hughes dead of a heart attack at 59.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:02:26pm |
re: #233 iceweasel
That’s true. Problem is, as others have said, there’s not really a coherent strategy/message on the right at the moment.
Lots of conservatives feel without a party, I note.
the message never changes
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:02:30pm |
re: #231 buzzsawmonkey
People who take a clear stand on issues regardless of consequence will attract as supporters even people who disagree with them, on the grounds that the person taking the stand means what he or she says. I have seen this.
People who run after constituencies and twist and turn to do the pander dance may attract fairweather supporters for a time, but such constituencies melt like the snow in springtime at the slightest deviation from the insanity of the moment. I have seen this, too.
That sums up all the ranting I have been doing in this thread. It hurts my heart that we have conservatives that have given in, thinking that they can’t speak out and that we have to open the doors to every Tom, Dick and Barry Obama that comes along.
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:03:50pm |
re: #236 badger1970
I suppose “Jane, you ignorant slut.” won’t do? (especially if her name ain’t Jane).
That line generally only works if you’re Dan Aykroyd.
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Equable Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:04:05pm |
re: #235 wahabicorridor
They truly were amazing weren’t they? Dad was a bomber pilot, B-26, awarded the DFC.
Congratulations are in order sir.
My other grandfather served under Patton himself.
My father was First Cavalry in Vietnam.
I tried to enlist but my body was too screwed up. I cannot hold a candle to these amazing men but dammit, I am raising Equable Jr. to love his country. My stepson wants to be a Marine, so I have been teaching him how to shoot.
I do believe that someday I will look upon my sons with awe and humility, God willing.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:04:27pm |
re: #222 avanti
Not without a constitutional amendment, your guns are safe.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
/you should write for SNL
/then go read the HUD “agreement” with S&W
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doppelganglander Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:04:51pm |
re: #238 KingKenrod
Fox is reporting Writer/Director/Producer John Hughes dead of a heart attack at 59.
That’s so sad. I loved “The Breakfast Club” and “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.”
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:04:57pm |
re: #240 Walter L. Newton
That sums up all the ranting I have been doing in this thread. It hurts my heart that we have conservatives that have given in, thinking that they can’t speak out and that we have to open the doors to every Tom, Dick and Barry Obama that comes along.
get used to it…conservatism as a viable ideology that can win elections may be dead…we’ve said all this before…I am very skeptical, selling out just doesn’t mean what it used to
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jpkoch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:05:19pm |
re: #233 iceweasel
That’s true. Problem is, as others have said, there’s not really a coherent strategy/message on the right at the moment.
Lots of conservatives feel without a party, I note.
The GOP was in the exactly the same position in the summer of 1977. Carter even had higher approval numbers than The Anointed One. Tip O’Neil had as large a majority as Pelosi, and the Dems had a filibuster proof Senate. When Cap and Trade and ObamaCare pass this autumn (and they will both pass), the Dems will seal their own fate.
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Ben Hur Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:06:11pm |
re: #238 KingKenrod
Fox is reporting Writer/Director/Producer John Hughes dead of a heart attack at 59.
59? I thought he was older.
Maybe I’m thinking of the wrong guy.
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Dianna Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:06:13pm |
re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You know who it is? Go and yell at her in front of everybody. She’ll never soil a stall again.
If I had a clue, I’d do exactly that.
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NelsFree Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:06:19pm |
re: #203 formercorpsman
I understand. I do see Walter’s point, and he is correct in part.
To often, these debates are framed with the idea people who are politically to the right should somehow play by the left’s playbook.
But this particular case in general, I think just going on what the net result is, nothing is to be gained by opposing the nomination in the end.
as far as holding her accountable for her statement, or her record on the bench, for sure. Nobody should be getting a pass to sit on the bench, but at the same time it needs to be an honest grilling of the candidate.
A legitimate grilling. No pubic hairs, assertions of papal allegiance over country, etc.
Grill her, confirm her. Next.
The point I was making above with regard to the Bork and Estrada nominations is that the Democrats WERE willing to “go to the mat” to stop those two from joining SCOTUS. Where is the Republican spine??
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Edouard Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:07:01pm |
I wish she were Robert Bork.
Oh well. Stay healthy until a conservative occupies the White House again, Justice Kennedy.
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:07:18pm |
re: #238 KingKenrod
Fox is reporting Writer/Director/Producer John Hughes dead of a heart attack at 59.
He brought us some memorable entertainment. RIP
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JustABill Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:07:36pm |
re: #246 jpkoch
The GOP was in the exactly the same position in the summer of 1977. Carter even had higher approval numbers than The Anointed One. Tip O’Neil had as large a majority as Pelosi, and the Dems had a filibuster proof Senate. When Cap and Trade and ObamaCare pass this autumn (and they will both pass), the Dems will seal their own fate.
But undoing the damage from those two bills will be all but impossible. I still think we can stop both of them, and if that means the republicans will be in a minority for a while longer, so be it.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:07:52pm |
re: #250 NelsFree
The point I was making above with regard to the Bork and Estrada nominations is that the Democrats WERE willing to “go to the mat” to stop those two from joining SCOTUS. Where is the Republican spine??
In a bar on Dupont Circle.
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formercorpsman Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:08:07pm |
re: #228 Walter L. Newton
Of course they will. I guess I’m just saying I don’t think it will stick.
I think it is pretty obvious anymore, that most of the names already have the association of an asterisk by the R next to their names.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:08:39pm |
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:08:52pm |
re: #246 jpkoch
The GOP was in the exactly the same position in the summer of 1977. Carter even had higher approval numbers than The Anointed One. Tip O’Neil had as large a majority as Pelosi, and the Dems had a filibuster proof Senate. When Cap and Trade and ObamaCare pass this autumn (and they will both pass), the Dems will seal their own fate.
Well, I believe Cap & Trade is going to get some serious bashing in the Senate. I don’t think the legislation as currently written is going to go through.
Obama has to pass some kind of health care reform or he’s dead. That’s also going to undergo some serious revision too, and I’m honestly not very optimistic about anything limping out of Congress. Something will be passed, but what? We’ll see.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:09:07pm |
re: #255 Walter L. Newton
In a bar on Dupont Circle.
drinking with their donk buddies, compromising on how to cut my throat
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:09:16pm |
re: #249 Dianna
If I had a clue, I’d do exactly that.
If you know your company admin send an email, or maybe just put up a sign on the door, that “Someone is making work hard for the cleaning crew. If this continues, we will need to install cameras to determine who it is, and charge the person for the extra work”
Someone will figure it out, and stick her in the toilet.
Or you could get the Hardly Boys to find out. ///
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NelsFree Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:10:04pm |
re: #220 Pianobuff
and never rat on anybody and always keep your mouth shut.
(you reminded me of a scene in Goodfellas)
I’m sorry, it appears that your mind works MUCH differently than mine. I think like a Scouter (which I am) and you seem to think like, well, a criminal. Perhaps your methods will overcome my decency. I shall never be afraid to look myself in the mirror and be proud of who I am.
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turn Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:10:45pm |
re: #227 Dianna
I got that beat, there was a person leaving messes like that in the women’s bathroom here at work, and it was a recently converted he/she. The women here at work put their foot down and it ended up getting it’s own bathroom. It’s now gone, I guess things didn’t go to well in Thailand with the operation and it never showed back up to work.
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:11:10pm |
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wahabicorridor Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:11:27pm |
re: #242 Equable
My other grandfather served under Patton himself.
So did my uncle Ray! Got blown out of a tank in a small town somewhere in Belgium. He was the only one of the crew to survive. Spent about a year in the burn unit in a hospital in Philly.
But boy, he hated Patton.
BTW, my dad insisted I learn to shoot, so if you have daughters, please keep them in mind too.
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callahan23 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:12:06pm |
re: #218 Ben Hur
THANKS FOR THE WELL WISHES!
Congratulations - Mazel Tov
I am late to the thread. ({Hur Family})
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:12:16pm |
re: #263 Silvergirl
Planes Trains and Automobiles is a beautifully sad movie.
Got people thinking of lonely people.
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formercorpsman Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:12:21pm |
re: #250 NelsFree
I understand, and to a degree you are correct.
I think that line is drawn when it is at the prospect of losing Scalia’s seat to it her.
Right now, I just feel there is nothing to gain by being the Democrats in this appointment.
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doppelganglander Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:12:24pm |
re: #258 iceweasel
Well, I believe Cap & Trade is going to get some serious bashing in the Senate. I don’t think the legislation as currently written is going to go through.
Obama has to pass some kind of health care reform or he’s dead. That’s also going to undergo some serious revision too, and I’m honestly not very optimistic about anything limping out of Congress. Something will be passed, but what? We’ll see.
For once, I hope you’re right. I don’t think either one will pass and I’ll be very happy about that.
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Dianna Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:12:56pm |
re: #260 Kosh’s Shadow
If you know your company admin send an email, or maybe just put up a sign on the door, that “Someone is making work hard for the cleaning crew. If this continues, we will need to install cameras to determine who it is, and charge the person for the extra work”
Someone will figure it out, and stick her in the toilet.Or you could get the Hardly Boys to find out. ///
This floor is made up of small offices, much like my own. So there’s no easy or general way to do this.
Heck, we had one office in which there was a “secret” smoker. The building sent out circulars for months, and the person kept right on smoking in the office.
Finally, I wrote up a sticky that read: There is no such thing as a secret smoker. The rest of us social pariahs will welcome you down on the pavement, where we smoke.” and left it on the door.
Funny, since then, there has been no smoking in that office.
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doppelganglander Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:13:27pm |
re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Planes Trains and Automobiles is a beautifully sad movie.
Got people thinking of lonely people.
I can’t watch it. It’s just too sad for me and not the least bit funny.
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formercorpsman Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:13:33pm |
re: #254 buzzsawmonkey
You’re a sick man.
I’m getting in the car now.
I’ll probably be laughing at that still in about an hour.
Take it easy.
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shortshrift Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:14:44pm |
re: #170 iceweasel
re: #190 Walter L. Newton
The point is that there are times when it is necessary for the minority party in the Senate to fulfill its constitutional role by acting as a party. A unanimous minority showing provides a check and balance to the President and his party’s majority in the Senate. It sends a message: do not send a person more left (in this case) next time, as you will have a harder time getting confirmation.
See Powerline today.
Minority unanimity is good political logic, especially when confirmation is inevitable, because that inevitability provides political cover. This is not the time to be concerned about winning over a crowd of people who might approve of non-partisanship in what is essentially a partisan process.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:15:05pm |
re: #270 doppelganglander
I can’t watch it. It’s just too sad for me and not the least bit funny.
it’s just a movie…it’s hilarious
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turn Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:15:09pm |
re: #233 iceweasel
Hi ice. You read the obamacare legislation, right? btw that is very commendable, 1000 pages of what would have been total confusion for me. I’m curious, do you know if there are any provisions in the legislation that would require beneficiaries to show proof of US citizenship?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:15:18pm |
Ben Hur? Had to go back and find out why I wished you well.
Congrat’s you ole’ fertile such and such!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:15:58pm |
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Russkilitlover Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:16:17pm |
re: #244 doppelganglander
That’s so sad. I loved “The Breakfast Club” and “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.”
He really knew how to tell a teen story.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:16:37pm |
So lets just see what the Fatah Congress has gotten us so far;
Rededication to pursuing armed “resistance”
Accusing Israel of murdering Arafat
and now
‘No talks unless Israel frees prisoners’
Senior Fatah official Nabil Sha’ath said that the committee in charge of determining the movement’s policy approved 14 conditions for the renewal of negotiations with Israel, including lifting the blockade on the Gaza Strip and halting settlement construction.
YOU GET NOTHING! GOOD DAY SIR!
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:17:13pm |
In any case, Sotomayor’s approval has to cheer Obama a bit. Things aren’t quite so rosy for him lately with the health care stuff not happening this summer as he wished and with his poll numbers taking dives.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:18:23pm |
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:18:25pm |
re: #277 buzzsawmonkey
That is reason enough to vote against it. Not so that “Obama will be ‘dead,’” but because if his presidency is nothing more than a single pile of chips bet on passing a “some kind of,” then there is absolutely no compelling reason for his “reform” except his own damned ego.
That’s over and above the freestanding abominableness of handing health care over to the government.
another frightening aspect to this admin that seems to escape people…there simply is no health care crisis at this point
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callahan23 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:18:36pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:19:03pm |
re: #282 Sharmuta
He’s perpetuating his genes.
He did his wife.
Now, she gets all the hard work.
(Other than dealing with the mood swings, which aren’t fun for either of them)
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:19:04pm |
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:19:10pm |
re: #274 turn
Hi ice. You read the obamacare legislation, right? btw that is very commendable, 1000 pages of what would have been total confusion for me. I’m curious, do you know if there are any provisions in the legislation that would require beneficiaries to show proof of US citizenship?
Hi turn, what’s up?
Yeah, i had to read the legislation for various reasons…one is that some seniors I care about have been freaking out over it. They’ve been getting the horrible attack emails saying “ObamaCare is about to euthanise you!”
The legislation won’t cover any illegal immigrants, only naturalised citizens and the like. Hang on and I’ll find you the links and the provision in a sec—
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:19:38pm |
re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Planes Trains and Automobiles is a beautifully sad movie.
Got people thinking of lonely people.
Like Eleanor Rigby and Father MacKenzie.
All the lonely people, where do they all come from?
All the lonely people, where do they all belong?
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:20:09pm |
re: #282 Sharmuta
He’s perpetuating his genes.
wooohooo!…well good for he and his wife!…that’s a pretty big deal right there…CONGRATS BEN!
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:20:10pm |
re: #277 buzzsawmonkey
That is reason enough to vote against it. Not so that “Obama will be ‘dead,’” but because if his presidency is nothing more than a single pile of chips bet on passing a “some kind of,” then there is absolutely no compelling reason for his “reform” except his own damned ego.
That’s over and above the freestanding abominableness of handing health care over to the government.
The compelling reason for the reform is the 46 million or so who are uninsured, and the many who are underinsured.
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NelsFree Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:20:26pm |
re: #233 iceweasel
That’s true. Problem is, as others have said, there’s not really a coherent strategy/message on the right at the moment.
Lots of conservatives feel without a party, I note.
Oh my, where did I put that list? Ah-ha! Here it is…
Cut Taxes
Reduce the size of Government
Provide for a Strong Defense
Balance the budget
Impeach and remove all Congresspersons breaking the law
Require two-term limits on House and Senate
Enforce the Tenth Amendment by stopping redistribution of Federal dollars to different states than paid them in
Darn, the dog ate the rest of the list! Bad Woofers! I think we all can fill in the rest…don’t you??
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:20:30pm |
re: #97 doppelganglander
Stewart was never on SNL. And I think Tina Fey is hilarious.
And at least Tina doesn’t think having played Sarah qualifies her to run the network. ;^)
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doppelganglander Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:20:50pm |
re: #278 Russkilitlover
He really knew how to tell a teen story.
I was in my 20s when those films came out and I could still relate. My niece, who was a teen in the 90s, practically has Ferris memorized. My own kids as teenagers in the last 8 years or so adored them both. Those stories, “Pretty in Pink,” and “Sixteen Candles” are all universal no matter when you came of age.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:20:52pm |
re: #289 iceweasel
Hi turn, what’s up?
Yeah, i had to read the legislation for various reasons…one is that some seniors I care about have been freaking out over it. They’ve been getting the horrible attack emails saying “ObamaCare is about to euthanise you!”The legislation won’t cover any illegal immigrants, only naturalised citizens and the like. Hang on and I’ll find you the links and the provision in a sec—
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:20:55pm |
re: #290 Silvergirl
Wanna good cry? Go and find John Prine’s “Hello in There”.
happier music, but still sad?
Elvis Costello’s “Veronica”
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Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:21:04pm |
re: #292 iceweasel
The compelling reason for the reform is the 46 million or so who are uninsured, and the many who are underinsured.
And of course, that argument doesn’t really make much sense. But never mind that.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:21:51pm |
re: #292 iceweasel
The compelling reason for the reform is the 46 million or so who are uninsured, and the many who are underinsured.
that argument has been ripped to shreds
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:22:14pm |
re: #289 iceweasel
Hi turn, what’s up?
Yeah, i had to read the legislation for various reasons…one is that some seniors I care about have been freaking out over it. They’ve been getting the horrible attack emails saying “ObamaCare is about to euthanise you!”The legislation won’t cover any illegal immigrants, only naturalised citizens and the like. Hang on and I’ll find you the links and the provision in a sec—
Send those to flag (at) whitehouse.ss
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Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:23:55pm |
re: #258 iceweasel
Obama has to pass some kind of health care reform or he’s dead.
Correction: He has to pass some kind of health care reform, quickly, while he has momentum; so then later, it can be massage toward “single payer” nirvana… so much for that “Keep Your Laws Off My Body!” stuff, at that point.
It’s a one-way ratchet. (Which I guess is kind of a redundancy, as phrases go.)
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:24:04pm |
re: #292 iceweasel
The compelling reason for the reform is the 46 million or so who are uninsured, and the many who are underinsured.
Ice, the number I would be more interested in would be the number of people who are not getting any healthcare.
I suspect that is a far lower number than 46 million.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:24:13pm |
Reminds me of a Benny Hill skit where he’s a speaker at a conference, ranting about Nazis and old people, until someone points out that the banner above the podium reads “Conference on Youth in Asia”.
/
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:24:19pm |
re: #296 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, Page 143, Line 3, Section 246: “No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.” [America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, accessed 7/22/09
[Link: edlabor.house.gov…]
PDF of bill above.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:24:21pm |
re: #293 NelsFree
Oh my, where did I put that list? Ah-ha! Here it is…
Enforce the Tenth Amendment by stopping redistribution of Federal dollars to different states than paid them in
Darn, the dog ate the rest of the list! Bad Woofers! I think we all can fill in the rest…don’t you??
I was with you until that. You do realize that is an effective way to have a year where the only place you could build a Naval base would be Arizona?
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Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:24:51pm |
re: #300 albusteve
that argument has been ripped to shreds
It’s not quite as stupid as Obama’s own favorite talking point, “we need to give private insurers something to compete against, to keep ‘em honest”; but it’s close.
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:24:51pm |
re: #270 doppelganglander
I can’t watch it. It’s just too sad for me and not the least bit funny.
You can tell me that the scene with John Candy and Steve Martin driving that burned up car and Candy playing Ray Charles’s Messaround on the dashboard and with air instruments was not funny?
That’s almost worth a down ding. :-)
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:24:55pm |
re: #288 DaddyG
Well put. Can I borrow that phrase?
Feel free. That is the only way I can describe that routine.
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:25:14pm |
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right_wing2 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:25:16pm |
re: #251 Edouard
Unfortunately we’ve got John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsberg who could be leaving the court, giving Obama new, younger liberals to stop any potential shift of the court anywhere near the middle.
‘Constitution? We don’t need no stinking Constitution’ (Obama court nominee)
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NelsFree Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:25:31pm |
re: #285 albusteve
another frightening aspect to this admin that seems to escape people…there simply is no health care crisis at this point
There actually is a health care crisis. It is the elephant in the room. It is the Lawyers suing Doctors to the point where Malpractise Insurance is the LARGEST SINGLE COST of a practising Physician.
Tort Reform. Loser Pays. Deal with it, you shysters!!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:26:32pm |
re: #279 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So lets just see what the Fatah Congress has gotten us so far;
Rededication to pursuing armed “resistance”
Accusing Israel of murdering Arafatand now
‘No talks unless Israel frees prisoners’
YOU GET NOTHING! GOOD DAY SIR!
NO TALKS UNLESS ISRAEL RELEASES TERRORISTS???
Head exploding.
How about “We are not giving any of you assholes water or electricity until Gilad comes home. Yes I know that is Hamas and not Fatah, but that would certainly tell Fatah to cut the shit.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:26:42pm |
re: #305 iceweasel
America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, Page 143, Line 3, Section 246: “No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.” [America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, accessed 7/22/09
[Link: edlabor.house.gov…]
PDF of bill above.
says nothing about citizenship
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Kragar Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:27:07pm |
re: #305 iceweasel
America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, Page 143, Line 3, Section 246: “No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.” [America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, accessed 7/22/09
[Link: edlabor.house.gov…]
PDF of bill above.
They can’t be denied the care, but the feds say they aren’t paying for it, so who is going to end up paying the difference?
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:27:33pm |
re: #303 reine.de.tout
Ice, the number I would be more interested in would be the number of people who are not getting any healthcare.
I suspect that is a far lower number than 46 million.
It is lower than that, you’re right. Don’t remember the stats offhand, but I can dig them up.
BTW, in general people would like this site:
[Link: www.politifact.com…]
It’s excellent, and nonpartisan. They fact check Obama all the time and keep a running total of broken and unkept promises. Highly recommend it.
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KingKenrod Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:27:46pm |
re: #305 iceweasel
America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, Page 143, Line 3, Section 246: “No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.” [America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, accessed 7/22/09
[Link: edlabor.house.gov…]
PDF of bill above.
It says that only applies to affordability credits.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:28:00pm |
re: #307 Occasional Reader
It’s not quite as stupid as Obama’s own favorite talking point, “we need to give private insurers something to compete against, to keep ‘em honest”; but it’s close.
this whole argument is already warn out
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doppelganglander Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:28:05pm |
re: #303 reine.de.tout
Ice, the number I would be more interested in would be the number of people who are not getting any healthcare.
I suspect that is a far lower number than 46 million.
The only people who don’t get any health care are the ones who don’t ask for it. If you are uninsured, most doctors and hospitals will work with you on a payment plan and help you get free medication through programs operated by the drug companies. If you qualify, they’ll hook you up with Medicaid. If you’re seriously ill or injured, the emergency room will take you, no questions asked. I suspect the only people not getting care are those too proud to accept help.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:28:06pm |
Ben Hur:
May your tribe increase.
Abou Ben Adhem
Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe increase!)
Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,
And saw, within the moonlight in his room,
Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom,
An Angel writing in a book of gold:
Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold,
And to the Presence in the room he said,
“What writest thou?” The Vision raised its head,
And with a look made of all sweet accord
Answered, “The names of those who love the Lord.”
“And is mine one?” said Abou. “Nay, not so,”
Replied the Angel. Abou spoke more low,
But cheerily still; and said, “I pray thee, then,
Write me as one who loves his fellow men.”
The Angel wrote, and vanished. The next night
It came again with a great wakening light,
And showed the names whom love of God had blessed,
And, lo! Ben Adhem’s name led all the rest!
— James Leigh Hunt
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turn Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:28:17pm |
re: #289 iceweasel
What’s up? I just picked a friggin tick off the back of my head. No shit, I was starting to read your comment and I was sort of scratching the back of my head and found the little fucker. I microwaved him to death just now. That’s a first, usually I can feel them crawling up my neck after I walk the lab and get them then. This one must have got on me when I slept last night.
Thanks for that news, that’s somewhat of a relief should it get passed. Don’t bother with the links. Well I got to go expose myself to some more ticks, later lizards time to go walk the lab along the American.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:28:30pm |
Republicans think the media isn’t paying enough attention to the Nirt Certifikit…
Partisan Divide Over Coverage of “Birther” Allegations (Pew)
A majority of Democrats (58%) who have heard at least a little about the claims that Obama was not born in the United States say they have gotten too much attention from news organizations. Opinion is divided among independents, with 39% saying the allegations have gotten too much attention, 30% too little, and 23% the right amount.
Republicans are more inclined to say that the allegations have received too little attention. Nearly four-in-ten Republicans (39%) express this view, while 27% say they have received the right amount of attention and 26% say they have gotten too much attention.
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:29:31pm |
I wonder if people now understand why some of us wanted Obama to fail in implementing his policies? The clue by four is coming and it’s not me wielding it.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:30:17pm |
re: #321 OldLineTexan
Stop that. Ben Hur is committing a crime against humanity, by punishing us all with another baby who will burden Earth Mother Gaia with more carbon. He should be charged as such, tried, and convicted.
/gunning for a plum Obama Admin “science advisor” position
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NelsFree Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:30:25pm |
re: #306 LudwigVanQuixote
I was with you until that. You do realize that is an effective way to have a year where the only place you could build a Naval base would be Arizona?
Ludwig, you are never with me anyway. You just had to find the One ‘Wrong’ Thing and ignore All The Good Things. Is your glass half-empty, too? Chill, have a half-FULL beer…
SSSsssnerch-kpok!
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:31:09pm |
re: #311 buzzsawmonkey
Assuming, arguendo, that this is a problem that needs to be addressed, it does not need to be addressed in the obscene haste that the Administration is pretending to address it.
Frankly, the protester who said the other day, “why do we have to pass this in 3 weeks, when the President took 6 months to figure out what kind of dog he was going to get for his kids?” had a point.
They had this particular dog written and waiting to go well before now.
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Dianna Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:32:27pm |
re: #297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You can call me any thing that you like,
But my name is Veronica.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:32:37pm |
re: #305 iceweasel
America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, Page 143, Line 3, Section 246: “No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.” [America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, accessed 7/22/09
[Link: edlabor.house.gov…]
PDF of bill above.
The problem with that is that illegals show up in hospital emergency rooms NOW, with no coverage, and they have to be treated. I don’t see how this will prohibit that … and a hospital that is not paid for services rendered would quickly go broke and close (or shift to lower quality of service).
This isn’t really about health care reform; it’s about health insurance reform, to make sure everybody has some miminum level of insurance coverage, whether they want it or not, with a lot of strings attached to using that coverage.
Right now, my employer offers 4 different plans at different prices, and each plan has different levels (single, single plus one, family coverage, etc.).
I have chosen which plan best fits MY particular health care needs, and I pay for that plan. Others who are younger may choose lower-cost plans.
Many young single folks just choose “none”.
Under this Obama plan, at some point private insurance companies will be forced out of business, not because the law requires it, but because there will be no new enrollees. If I am the ONLY enrollee in my plan, and I pay $500 a month premium, and my health care costs $1000 a month - they will not be able to afford to stay in business, and I will then be required to take the government plan.
I much prefer being able to choose what I want from an array of private offerings.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:32:56pm |
re: #323 Killgore Trout
Republicans think the media isn’t paying enough attention to the Nirt Certifikit…
Partisan Divide Over Coverage of “Birther” Allegations (Pew)
Partisan analysis:
Partisan Dem (we like Obama): Too much (58%) + Just right (23%) = 81%
Partisan Rep (we hate Obama): Too little (39%) + Just right (27%) = 66%
Your “headline” doesn’t work with the data.
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Russkilitlover Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:33:20pm |
re: #324 eschew_obfuscation
I wonder if people now understand why some of us wanted Obama to fail in implementing his policies? The clue by four is coming and it’s not me wielding it.
Arrrg! That whole media bruhaha about Rush’s wish for “Obama to fail” still pisses me off. I have never seen such willful and gross distortion. Do I want Obama to fail in a government take over of health care? You bet I do!
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NelsFree Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:33:24pm |
re: #305 iceweasel
America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, Page 143, Line 3, Section 246: “No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.” [America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, accessed 7/22/09
[Link: edlabor.house.gov…]
PDF of bill above.
The House and Senate versions differ. Which version will the Democrats settle on out of committee? My money is on the Illegals.
/Come to think about it, some of my money GOES to illegals!
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The Optimist Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:33:46pm |
re: #123 Equable
Not that I blame them, but when our forces liberated Dachau (my Grandfather was there, God bless him) our soldiers, completely infuriated by what they saw there began to execute Nazi officers.
These Nazis were not illegal combatants. However, their actions were illegal, immoral, sick, perverted, and they got a one-way trip to hell for it. The U.S. forces were just their travel agents.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:34:07pm |
re: #320 doppelganglander
The only people who don’t get any health care are the ones who don’t ask for it. If you are uninsured, most doctors and hospitals will work with you on a payment plan and help you get free medication through programs operated by the drug companies. If you qualify, they’ll hook you up with Medicaid. If you’re seriously ill or injured, the emergency room will take you, no questions asked. I suspect the only people not getting care are those too proud to accept help.
Yep, that’s sort of my point. In some states, there is a “charity hospital” system that will treat the indigent. In Louisiana, the charity system, treats more than 1 million patients a year.
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doppelganglander Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:35:05pm |
re: #336 reine.de.tout
Yep, that’s sort of my point. In some states, there is a “charity hospital” system that will treat the indigent. In Louisiana, the charity system, treats more than 1 million patients a year.
Yes, I was agreeing with you. Sorry if it sounded like an argument. :)
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Dianna Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:35:10pm |
re: #323 Killgore Trout
Um? I don’t quite see?
Personally, I think it’s so damned stupid, I wish it would go away.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:35:30pm |
re: #337 doppelganglander
Yes, I was agreeing with you. Sorry if it sounded like an argument. :)
NO, I knew you were agreeing! LOL.
I was just adding on …
btw - I think it’s your turn.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:35:39pm |
re: #317 iceweasel
Ice, I got your back on this one.
Really, there are many Americans who do not have and can not afford insurance. The numbers I hear for this range from 40 million to 50 million people.
Even those with insurance have their share of horror stories where doctors have been dictated to by bean counters.
As far as costs for everyone, they are impacted when the uninsured are forced to use the Emergency room as a primary care facility.
This is not a tolerable situation given how much medical technology we do have and how many trained professionals and facilities we have.
I will say it flat out.
Not everything has to be done for profit. How about actually doing something because it is the right thing to do?
If you want to say that there is no reason to reform medical care… to say that anyone who even thinks there might be some things that could be fixed by the federal government is some kind of socialist, commie whatever, then I will turn around and say that you support a greedy blood-sucking vampiric system that preys on the suffering of others.
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Rancher Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:35:40pm |
re: #324 eschew_obfuscation
I wonder if people now understand why some of us wanted Obama to fail in implementing his policies? The clue by four is coming and it’s not me wielding it.
We all wanted him to fail, it’s just bad form to phrase it that way and therefore we got hammered on it. Rush doesn’t mind, it got him lots of free publicity, but our elected politicians should have rephrased it.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:35:46pm |
re: #336 reine.de.tout
In some states, there is a “charity hospital” system that will treat the indigent.
Me, I’m indigent about the entire Obamacare fraud.
Wait… I mean, indignant. Yeah, that’s it.
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Ben Hur Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:35:47pm |
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midwestgak Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:36:10pm |
re: #303 reine.de.tout
Ice, the number I would be more interested in would be the number of people who are not getting any healthcare.
I suspect that is a far lower number than 46 million.
I agree. I friend of mine caught pneumonia in 2003. She had no health insurance. She was treated in ICU for four days, received medications and was kept for another two weeks in a regular hospital room. She recovered.
She received healthcare. The bill was $27,000, but she received care.
Health insurance, Health insurance, Health insurance is what some don’t have.
The issue is getting twisted.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:36:47pm |
re: #333 NelsFree
The House and Senate versions differ. Which version will the Democrats settle on out of committee? My money is on the Illegals.
/Come to think about it, some of my money GOES to illegals!
of course…illegals get all the care they want…clinics have shut down all over the southwest because of the burden…this argument is disingenuous at best
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Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:36:53pm |
re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote
Even those with insurance have their share of horror stories where doctors have been dictated to by bean counters.
Oh, yeah… and government will sure fix that problem, won’t it!
Yer killin’ me, dude.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:37:32pm |
re: #331 OldLineTexan
Your “headline” doesn’t work with the data.
That’s Pews headline, not mine. I don’t get your take on the number. Why lump in people who said “just right” and “too much”? They aren’t saying the same thing.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:38:05pm |
re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote
Ice, I got your back on this one.
Really, there are many Americans who do not have and can not afford insurance. The numbers I hear for this range from 40 million to 50 million people.
Even those with insurance have their share of horror stories where doctors have been dictated to by bean counters.
… .
I have my own personal “horror” story with those “bean counters”, although it turned out just fine in the end.
Those bean counters will now be government employees, rather than professionals hired by the insurance companies.
I would prefer to take my chance with the insurance companies.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:38:07pm |
re: #330 reine.de.tout
T
Many young single folks just choose “none”.Under this Obama plan, at some point private insurance companies will be forced out of business, not because the law requires it, but because there will be no new enrollees. If I am the ONLY enrollee in my plan, and I pay $500 a month premium, and my health care costs $1000 a month - they will not be able to afford to stay in business, and I will then be required to take the government plan.
I much prefer being able to choose what I want from an array of private offerings.
Hey reine—
I get what you’re saying, and I understand your concerns. It doesn’t look like private insurance companies will be forced out of business. The situation you’re describing would only happen if there is a public option offered at all (and if the public option continually and ruthlessly undercut all private insurers), and while Obama has said he wants a public option, it’s totally up in the air.
In truth, it’s questionable whether we’ll get a public option. There’s a lot of resistance and it’s coming from both sides of the aisle.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:38:20pm |
re: #306 LudwigVanQuixote
I was with you until that. You do realize that is an effective way to have a year where the only place you could build a Naval base would be Arizona?
Well they need one don’t they? Same with the Coast Guard.
Arizona Military bases
USAF - Davis-Monthan Air Force Base - Tucson
USAF - Luke Air Force Base - Glendale
USA - Fort Huachuca - Sierra Vista
USA - Yuma Proving Ground
USMC - Yuma Air Station
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Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:38:44pm |
re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote
This is not a tolerable situation given how much medical technology we do have and how many trained professionals and facilities we have.
From each according to his… something something… this sounds familiar!
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:39:16pm |
re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote
Wow. Right on LVQ! I regret I have only one upding to give you!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:39:23pm |
re: #338 Dianna
It’s horribly stupid and republicans think they need more exposure on their stupidity. Amazing.
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beens21 Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:39:33pm |
I read the Bates opinion.He was bound by the Boumedienne SCt opinion.The detainees were picked up in Thailand, Dubai, Yemen and Afghanistan. The afghani was denied a right to Habeas Corpus relief b/c he was going to be turned over to Afgha govt, the others got it b/c under Boumedienne, he found the US controls Bagram AF Base to the same extent it controls Gitmo. Unless Sotomayor flips, there will be a 5-4 affirmance.Blame the 5 in the SCt for this BS.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:39:46pm |
re: #353 Occasional Reader
From each according to his… something something… this sounds familiar!
Ah, the commie accusation.
That didn’t take long.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:39:47pm |
re: #350 reine.de.tout
Those bean counters will now be government employees, rather than professionals hired by the insurance companies.
I would prefer to take my chance with the insurance companies.
Oh, come now… I’m sure we can look forward to the same level of professionalism as is found at, say, the DMV.
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doppelganglander Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:40:11pm |
re: #339 reine.de.tout
NO, I knew you were agreeing! LOL.
I was just adding on …
btw - I think it’s your turn.
Thanks, I did not see the notice. I’d better check my spam.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:40:51pm |
re: #329 Dianna
You can call me any thing that you like,
But my name is Veronica.
Note to self: Must remember that Google Image search on a woman’s name is NSFW.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:41:05pm |
re: #357 iceweasel
Ah, the commie accusation.
That didn’t take long.
Yeah, I called him a “commie”. Oh, wait, I didn’t. Actually, I wryly pointed out that his basic argument of “we have all these trained professionals and stuff, we just need to force them to be allocated better” is, ah, essentially a socialistic argument.
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Equable Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:41:08pm |
re: #334 venezuela lover
These Nazis were not illegal combatants. However, their actions were illegal, immoral, sick, perverted, and they got a one-way trip to hell for it. The U.S. forces were just their travel agents.
Amen!
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:41:34pm |
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:41:42pm |
re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote
Ice, I got your back on this one.
Really, there are many Americans who do not have and can not afford insurance. The numbers I hear for this range from 40 million to 50 million people.
Even those with insurance have their share of horror stories where doctors have been dictated to by bean counters.
As far as costs for everyone, they are impacted when the uninsured are forced to use the Emergency room as a primary care facility.
This is not a tolerable situation given how much medical technology we do have and how many trained professionals and facilities we have.
I will say it flat out.
Not everything has to be done for profit. How about actually doing something because it is the right thing to do?
If you want to say that there is no reason to reform medical care… to say that anyone who even thinks there might be some things that could be fixed by the federal government is some kind of socialist, commie whatever, then I will turn around and say that you support a greedy blood-sucking vampiric system that preys on the suffering of others.
Cool! When are you starting your clinic that doesn’t make a profit?
Oh, and how will you keep it updated with new equipment and well trained staff?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:41:49pm |
re: #351 iceweasel
Hey reine—
I get what you’re saying, and I understand your concerns. It doesn’t look like private insurance companies will be forced out of business. The situation you’re describing would only happen if there is a public option offered at all (and if the public option continually and ruthlessly undercut all private insurers), and while Obama has said he wants a public option, it’s totally up in the air.In truth, it’s questionable whether we’ll get a public option. There’s a lot of resistance and it’s coming from both sides of the aisle.
What I saw indicated that if there is a public option, then no new enrollees would be allowed into private plans …
Anyhow, we probably will not agree, but I hope that the resistance is strong enough to keep this thing from happening.
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Ben Hur Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:42:20pm |
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Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:43:18pm |
re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote
I will say it flat out.
Not everything has to be done for profit. How about actually doing something because it is the right thing to do?
Yeah, so we might as well force everyone to do what (you consider) is the right thing to do.
This is self-parody. Wow.
(By the way, our current system is hardly all about profit, either… we have both private charity, and state subsidy for low-income people. You knew that, right?)
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:43:37pm |
re: #358 Occasional Reader
Oh, come now… I’m sure we can look forward to the same level of professionalism as is found at, say, the DMV.
(I used to work at our state DMV)
I think the further away gov’t gets from the people it serves, the more difficult a time it has. Your city government is probably more responsive than your state government; and state is more responsive to you than the feds.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:44:26pm |
re: #353 Occasional Reader
From each according to his… something something… this sounds familiar!
And by calling it Marxist, you discount all of the other arguments.
I really fail to see how national medical insurance is the apocalypse - except perhaps for some private insurance blood suckers. If all the money that goes to them went into a federally managed fund to provide health care - AND, and I admit it is a big AND - and if Congress were by law forced to keep their hands off of the money, then more money per person would be available for health care, because the government does not need to make a profit.
Provided this is done in a way such that private insurance is still an option, so that people who can afford it have a choice, I do not see the problem.
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KingKenrod Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:44:29pm |
re: #355 Killgore Trout
It’s horribly stupid and republicans think they need more exposure on their stupidity. Amazing.
It’s interesting that independent voters are at 30% “too little”, just 9% below the GOP. If independent voters start jumping on the nirther band-wagon, it could be a serious problem for Obama.
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:44:44pm |
re: #357 iceweasel
Ah, the commie accusation.
That didn’t take long.
To be fair when a bird starts quacking I usually start thinking duck. Trusting central government over free enterprise to address the needs of the consumer is a distinction between communism and capitalism isn’t it?
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:45:17pm |
re: #369 Occasional Reader
Yeah, so we might as well force everyone to do what (you consider) is the right thing to do.
This is self-parody. Wow.
(By the way, our current system is hardly all about profit, either… we have both private charity, and state subsidy for low-income people. You knew that, right?)
Don’t forget those greedy Catholics hospitals!
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Dianna Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:45:23pm |
re: #355 Killgore Trout
It’s horribly stupid and republicans think they need more exposure on their stupidity. Amazing.
Perhaps many of these people want the stupidity exposed? Honestly, up until last week, though we’ve covered it extensively, I kept encountering people who had no idea what the whole thing was about.
I got an email after the photoshopped “Kenyan” certificate (a friend had gotten it through some spam-like mailing or other) asking “WTF? Huh? What?!” That seems to be pretty much the reaction of most of the broader public out there who aren’t complete blog junkies.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:45:34pm |
re: #351 iceweasel
… would only happen if there is a public option offered at all (and if the public option continually and ruthlessly undercut all private insurers), and while Obama has said he wants a public option, it’s totally up in the air.
So, he wants a public option, he doesn’t want a public option or he’s lying. Which one. In the last two days you have stated it each way, when are you going to settle on one position for him?
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:45:53pm |
re: #371 LudwigVanQuixote
And by calling it Marxist, you discount all of the other arguments.
I really fail to see how national medical insurance is the apocalypse - except perhaps for some private insurance blood suckers. If all the money that goes to them went into a federally managed fund to provide health care - AND, and I admit it is a big AND - and if Congress were by law forced to keep their hands off of the money, then more money per person would be available for health care, because the government does not need to make a profit.
Provided this is done in a way such that private insurance is still an option, so that people who can afford it have a choice, I do not see the problem.
why does BO oppose tort reform?…
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doppelganglander Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:46:17pm |
re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote
If you want to say that there is no reason to reform medical care… to say that anyone who even thinks there might be some things that could be fixed by the federal government is some kind of socialist, commie whatever, then I will turn around and say that you support a greedy blood-sucking vampiric system that preys on the suffering of others.
Nice straw man you’ve got there. No one is saying the system is perfect and does not need at least some changes. Obama uses that rhetorical advice all the time, too.
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MandyManners Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:46:27pm |
re: #370 reine.de.tout
(I used to work at our state DMV)
I think the further away gov’t gets from the people it serves, the more difficult a time it has. Your city government is probably more responsive than your state government; and state is more responsive to you than the feds.
Sticking a pitch-fork in the mayor’s front yard tends to make him pay attention.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:47:13pm |
re: #367 reine.de.tout
What I saw indicated that if there is a public option, then no new enrollees would be allowed into private plans …
Anyhow, we probably will not agree, but I hope that the resistance is strong enough to keep this thing from happening.
Well, the companies will have to participate in the Health Insurance Exchange, for new enrollees. So they (the companies) would be competing with the public option…if there even will be one. At least, that’s the idea at the moment.
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Dianna Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:47:28pm |
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soxfan4life Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:47:31pm |
re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote
Ice, I got your back on this one.
Really, there are many Americans who do not have and can not afford insurance. The numbers I hear for this range from 40 million to 50 million people.
Even those with insurance have their share of horror stories where doctors have been dictated to by bean counters.
As far as costs for everyone, they are impacted when the uninsured are forced to use the Emergency room as a primary care facility.
This is not a tolerable situation given how much medical technology we do have and how many trained professionals and facilities we have.
I will say it flat out.
Not everything has to be done for profit. How about actually doing something because it is the right thing to do?
If you want to say that there is no reason to reform medical care… to say that anyone who even thinks there might be some things that could be fixed by the federal government is some kind of socialist, commie whatever, then I will turn around and say that you support a greedy blood-sucking vampiric system that preys on the suffering of others.
How dare those bright minded students wanting to be able to repay student loans and medical school costs. What if those who can’t afford health insurance cut back on a car payment or cable bill to afford some type of plan. Health care is not a problem people are not dying in the streets from the plague and such, personal responsibility is the big problem in play and no one in DC has the sack to address the issue.
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96RoadKing Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:47:39pm |
re: #371 LudwigVanQuixote
And by calling it Marxist, you discount all of the other arguments.
I really fail to see how national medical insurance is the apocalypse - except perhaps for some private insurance blood suckers. If all the money that goes to them went into a federally managed fund to provide health care - AND, and I admit it is a big AND - and if Congress were by law forced to keep their hands off of the money, then more money per person would be available for health care, because the government does not need to make a profit.
Provided this is done in a way such that private insurance is still an option, so that people who can afford it have a choice, I do not see the problem.
As soon as a private business can figure out how to compete against a government entity that doesn’t worry about massive losses, then we may have a starting point for a discussion. Until then, government provided health insurance will crowd out private insurance, and your options will be eliminated.
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albusteve Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:48:08pm |
have the ‘single player tapes’ been proven a fraud?…
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doppelganglander Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:48:47pm |
re: #380 doppelganglander
Nice straw man you’ve got there. No one is saying the system is perfect and does not need at least some changes. Obama uses that rhetorical advice all the time, too.
Sorry, rhetorical device. PIMF.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:48:47pm |
re: #377 Walter L. Newton
So, he wants a public option, he doesn’t want a public option or he’s lying. Which one. In the last two days you have stated it each way, when are you going to settle on one position for him?
What? I don’t know what you’re talking about. He’s stated he wouldn’t sign anything that doesn’t include a public option, but frankly, it’s very possible nothing with a public option will get through Congress.
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MandyManners Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:50:04pm |
re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote
Not everything has to be done for profit. How about actually doing something because it is the right thing to do?
Are you suggesting making doctors not earn as much money as they can? Nurses, too?
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:50:06pm |
re: #349 Killgore Trout
That’s Pews headline, not mine. I don’t get your take on the number. Why lump in people who said “just right” and “too much”? They aren’t saying the same thing.
Because that’s what I see all the other “poll interpreters” do.
Sorry about assuming the headline was yours. It’s still misleading.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:50:23pm |
re: #369 Occasional Reader
Yeah, so we might as well force everyone to do what (you consider) is the right thing to do.
This is self-parody. Wow.
(By the way, our current system is hardly all about profit, either… we have both private charity, and state subsidy for low-income people. You knew that, right?)
Oh yeah, and that charity is so pronounced… 1000 points of light right?
Have you ever taken a walk downtown? I’m sure the homeless people are thrilled for all of the charity they get.
Look, I am not saying that we should nationalize the entire medical industry. You can still have your for profit competition to make for better hospitals etc…
I am suggesting that if the government provides basic health insurance as an option to those who have it, and as a safety net to those who do not - that would be a good and decent thing.
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Ben Hur Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:50:40pm |
Oh oh.
Got this from a Democrat.
First 6 Months Accomplishments of Obama
Observations on the President’s Early Days:
1. Offended the Queen of England .
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia .
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.
4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia .
6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions.
7. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
8. Expanded the bailouts.
9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
10. Doubled our national debt.
11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 4 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering.
13. Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two others withdrew after they couldn’t take the heat.
14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as “dangers to the nation”, groups including veterans of the military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word “terrorism” no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as “man made disasters”.
15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America ‘s greatness.
16. Told the Mexican President that the violence in their country was because of us.
17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins.
18. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States .
19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for “torturing” a terrorist who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans by pouring water up their nose.
20. Air Force One over New York City .
21. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure Europe that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims.
22. Began the process of nationalizing the Auto Industry and the Insurance industry.
23. Announced that for intents and purposes the Health Insurance Industry will be nationalized.
Of course this is all meaningless because the nirther issue will be the #1 issue in the next election.
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shortshrift Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:50:55pm |
re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote
I can see no sense in replacing one set of dissatisfied people, the non-insured or underinsured, with another set of dissatisfied people, those who suffer from rationed health care, in a system that has no incentive to innovate (no profit motive) improve efficiency, or cut costs. Especially when the second group will be much larger than the first, and the inadequate health care provided to them growing more expensive over time.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:51:22pm |
re: #390 OldLineTexan
Well, we have a thread on it —->
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:52:10pm |
re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote
You will find little disagreement with the position that there are serious problems with our health care system that need to be addressed.
You will also find little agreement that a government run system is the way to fix those problems.
Of the numbers of uninsured, which I think are correct, how many are not here legally, and thus ineligible for coverage?
How many, like my moonbat sister that found the money for a surgical facelift but not insurance coverage, choose not to get coverage?
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midwestgak Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:52:19pm |
re: #350 reine.de.tout
I have my own personal “horror” story with those “bean counters”, although it turned out just fine in the end.
Those bean counters will now be government employees, rather than professionals hired by the insurance companies.
I would prefer to take my chance with the insurance companies.
Right. Insurance companies take “risk” into account. Based on the health of a group, they can set their premiums accordingly. The government plan does not take risk into account. Because of this, they will deny benefits to the people who need them the most to defray cost, while claiming everyone is insured.
The hair on the back of my neck … Not ranting at you reine. Just venting.
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96RoadKing Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:52:57pm |
re: #376 Ben Hur
40 Million out of how many?
I’ve seen a breakdown of the ‘40 million uninsured’ a number of times now. Out of 300M citizens, 40 million are said to be uninsured at some time during a year. It might be for one day, but that’s all it takes to be counted. Of that 40 million, some 20 million have the resources, but choose not to buy insurance. Of the 20 million remaining, some 10 million are in that 18 - 26 year old ‘bulletproof’ status that decline because they choose to spend their money elsewhere (usually drinking and chasing members of the opposite sex). Of the remaining 10 million, they are the ones too indigent to afford insurance. Bottom line (IMO), the Obama administration and the Democrats want to scrap a Health Care program that’s the envy of the world for 3% of the population.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:53:09pm |
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:54:16pm |
re: #297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wanna good cry? Go and find John Prine’s “Hello in There”.
happier music, but still sad?
Elvis Costello’s “Veronica”
Thanks. After listening to both just now, I remember hearing the first on the car radio on a solo drive, and I’ve somehow missed the second until now.
Yes, bittersweet. No tears streaming down. I must be heard-hearted.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:54:30pm |
I’m a vampire, baby
Sucking blood from the Earth
/Neil Young, Vampire Blues
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:54:35pm |
re: #379 albusteve
why does BO oppose tort reform?…
Because BO is an idiot. I am all for tort reform.
Some people here are just a tinsy-weensiie- bit extreme in their views…
Enough that if they see someone agree in even the smallest way with something that O says or does, they assume that the speaker is a sinister commie.
I critique O quite a lot. I am not his defender. However, on the narrow topic of an optional national health insurance policy, I am not convinced it is the end of the world, and I have yet to hear a compelling argument that it would be.
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midwestgak Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:54:57pm |
re: #392 Ben Hur
Good post. And congrats to you and your family.
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mardukhai Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:55:53pm |
Sotomayor is not the first “Hispanic” on the Supreme Court. That honor went to Justice Cardozo in the 1920’s.
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SixDegrees Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:56:00pm |
re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote
While I agree to a large extent with your post, this part
This is not a tolerable situation given how much medical technology we do have and how many trained professionals and facilities we have.
needs some rethinking. In fact, the amount of medical technology, professionals and other resources we currently have is finely adjusted to the number of people currently using the system. Free markets are remarkably efficient at eliminating excess capacity. I can’t think of the last time I was in a doctor’s office and didn’t have to wait, and the same is true for tests. Even expensive tests - our local hospital complex has an MRI facility that is open 24 hours a day to meet demand, and they are in the process of adding another to pick up growing demand.
Any additional access to health care, therefore, is going to create one of two things: an enormous provision for additional resources, or a severe curtailment of access to resources. The second option will certainly happen initially; the first will almost inevitably have to be met due to popular demand, since health care will be dictated by political concerns, even though the costs for such a dramatic expansion of the health care industry are not currently being included in most estimates of the impact of the bills being proposed.
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iceweasel Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:56:33pm |
re: #404 LudwigVanQuixote
Because BO is an idiot. I am all for tort reform.
Some people here are just a tinsy-weensiie- bit extreme in their views…
Enough that if they see someone agree in even the smallest way with something that O says or does, they assume that the speaker is a sinister commie.
I critique O quite a lot. I am not his defender. However, on the narrow topic of an optional national health insurance policy, I am not convinced it is the end of the world, and I have yet to hear a compelling argument that it would be.
Exactly. It’s being portrayed like it’s the apocalypse.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:59:19pm |
re: #397 midwestgak
Right. Insurance companies take “risk” into account. Based on the health of a group, they can set their premiums accordingly. The government plan does not take risk into account. Because of this, they will deny benefits to the people who need them the most to defray cost, while claiming everyone is insured.
The hair on the back of my neck … Not ranting at you reine. Just venting.
It was obvious :-)
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Silvergirl Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:59:26pm |
re: #406 iceweasel
Not especially. Can we have a discussion, or is this about having a flame war?
I think Walter enjoys employing bazookas while discussing. It’s all in fun. It’s who he is. He wants politicians to go back to the good old mud-slinging days because thigns are too tame now. Do I have that right, Walter?
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Rancher Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:01:29pm |
re: #409 iceweasel
Exactly. It’s being portrayed like it’s the apocalypse.
Having private companies compete with a government program is the end of private companies and Obama knows this. He has said so, it’s on record, it’s on YouTube. It might take a few years but eventually a program with unlimited taxpayer funding that doesn’t have to make a profit will eventually drive out private companies.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:02:05pm |
re: #396 CyanSnowHawk
You will find little disagreement with the position that there are serious problems with our health care system that need to be addressed.
You will also find little agreement that a government run system is the way to fix those problems.
Of the numbers of uninsured, which I think are correct, how many are not here legally, and thus ineligible for coverage?
How many, like my moonbat sister that found the money for a surgical facelift but not insurance coverage, choose not to get coverage?
Well for sure it isn’t 40-50 million illegals who are uninsured.
Second, I did not say that I was convinced a national health insurance system is the best thing, I said I am not convinced it is worse than what we have now.
Everyone goes on about rationing like it is inevitable that health care will become a stalinesque food line.
We already have rationing when your insurance company refuses to pay for a treatment… And if you go to the ER, there is already a stalinesque food line of the uninsured.
OK, to convince me, make the case that taking the profits of a board of directors and the investors in an insurance company out of the picture and instead putting them directly into insuring Americans will be worse for the average American. That strike me as more money for more health care for more people. I really am sorry, I have no sympathy for the insurance guys. They really are ticks on our society.
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Ben Hur Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:02:28pm |
re: #394 Walter L. Newton
You must forget very quickly, yesterday you were saying that this statement…
“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”
… that he was lying to the progressives, just to tell them what they wanted to hear.
You said he was lying to them, remember?
That’s it.
I’m reporting you to the White House.
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Ben Hur Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:02:59pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:05:30pm |
I’ve already warned repeatedly that I’m going to delete flame wars and pissing matches, and especially if they’re carried over from thread to thread.
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esch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:08:35pm |
re: #409 iceweasel
Exactly. It’s being portrayed like it’s the apocalypse.
If it’s not the apocalypse, why does it have be done overnight? Why can’t we take 6 months to really determine the issues and appropriate solutions?
Oh, that’s right. It’s a ‘crisis’.
Crisis != Apocalypse
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SixDegrees Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:08:40pm |
re: #399 96RoadKing
On a personal note, this assumption:
some 10 million are in that 18 - 26 year old ‘bulletproof’ status that decline because they choose to spend their money elsewhere (usually drinking and chasing members of the opposite sex).
grinds my ass. I’m a Type I diabetic who was diagnosed when I was 22; in less than a week, I went from perfectly healthy to nearly comatose and probably just a few days from death, with no warning. After an emergency room visit and a week in the hospital, I had racked up something like 75 grand worth of bills. Fortunately, I had insurance through my employer - the first job I had where it was offered.
I’ll spare you the horror stories I’ve encountered first hand of young adults who were trapped in burning cars or maimed in car accidents, or who fell of cliffs or - in one particularly gruesome case - twisted a leg and fractured it in three placed, including a compound fracture, and required a helicopter airlift out of the wilderness area he was in.
The fact is, medical costs can strike anyone, regardless of age, and pile up to astronomical levels almost instantly. Arguing that someone is “bullet proof” doesn’t hold any water, especially from the perspective of that bullet-proof individual who’s staring at a bill for even a short hospital stay with more digits in it than they can comprehend. This simply isn’t a good argument for exclusion. You can’t apply group statistics to individuals.
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esch Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:12:22pm |
re: #422 SixDegrees
That comes down to personal responsibility. Once you’re a adult, it’s your butt on the line.
If you do something stupid enough, you die. If you forgo getting medical insurance, you’re being stupid, but it’s your right. That’s life.
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SixDegrees Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:16:04pm |
re: #414 Rancher
Having private companies compete with a government program is the end of private companies and Obama knows this. He has said so, it’s on record, it’s on YouTube. It might take a few years but eventually a program with unlimited taxpayer funding that doesn’t have to make a profit will eventually drive out private companies.
I agree with this. The playing field isn’t just lopsided; it isn’t even the same field anymore when a government-run plan is put in place.
I would much rather see a quasi-free market solution explored, employing the expertise insurance companies already have applied to the problem of providing very basic coverage to those who don’t have some other source of insurance. It’s odd that such an approach hasn’t even been considered, unless the real motivation for this exercise is the irresistible urge to seize control over a huge portion of the nation’s economy and the power that accompanies such control. A private sector approach would require little more than a small oversight panel and the establishment of a mechanism for withholding taxes to pay the premiums and providing an audit trail.
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Lincolntf Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:17:32pm |
Yet another “moderate” who will just happen to vote “Liberal” 90% of the time.
One year from today we should look at her opinions and determine how “moderate” she really is. Mark your e-calendar.
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SixDegrees Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:21:30pm |
re: #423 esch
That comes down to personal responsibility. Once you’re a adult, it’s your butt on the line.
If you do something stupid enough, you die. If you forgo getting medical insurance, you’re being stupid, but it’s your right. That’s life.
I didn’t do anything stupid to contract Type I diabetes. And I was lucky enough to have been employed. At the time this all occurred - the early 1980s - the country was in the throes of the Carter-induced recession, and unemployment was ghastly high. I was lucky to have a job, let alone one that provided decent benefits.
There are plenty of times when all the personal responsibility and good intentions in the world don’t mean bupkis.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:25:54pm |
re: #420 Ben Hur
That is such a callous cartoon.
Do you really think that no-one in America is lacking for proper medical care?
Do you really think that in the inner cities they have all the insurance they could need from govt programs already?
Do you really think that 20 year olds just choose to not have insurance because they are stupid?
Do you really think that with growing unemployment those people who are “between” jobs are something that will just fix itself quickly enough that none of them will get sick?
I actually am for responsible spending in government, but the level of willfully blind callousness that gets displayed by such things gets me.
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SixDegrees Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:27:37pm |
re: #416 LudwigVanQuixote
Well for sure it isn’t 40-50 million illegals who are uninsured
Frankly, I very much doubt that it is 40 million of any collection of people. Given that this is the number batted around by the Administration, the source alone convinces me that it is a gross overstatement whipped up to justify setting off alarms of a “crisis” by using the same sort of accounting that refers to a decrease in the desired increase of a pet project a “slashing of the program.” It also drives the proposed solutions to huge, government-run bureaucracies and away from market-oriented solutions that are probably much more capable of providing decent care efficiently to the actual number of people affected.
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anubis_soundwave Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:32:58pm |
re: #427 LudwigVanQuixote
That is such a callous cartoon.
Do you really think that no-one in America is lacking for proper medical care?
Do you really think that in the inner cities they have all the insurance they could need from govt programs already?
Do you really think that 20 year olds just choose to not have insurance because they are stupid?
Do you really think that with growing unemployment those people who are “between” jobs are something that will just fix itself quickly enough that none of them will get sick?
I actually am for responsible spending in government, but the level of willfully blind callousness that gets displayed by such things gets me.
Boo. Hoo. Hoo.
Honestly…
…as far as health insurance reform and other issues relating to the government taking the hard-earned money of “people who can afford it” to spend on what the government deems fit…
…I believe callousness is warranted.
In decisions that could bankrupt my 7-year old nephew’s generation and beyond, I assert that we need less emotion and more “callousness”.
I have a few questions of my own:
Do you honestly believe that it is my (or any other individual taxpayer’s) responsibility to pay for someone else’s health costs?
Do you think that the government has the right to take my (or any other individual taxpayer’s) hard-earned money to pay for someone else’s health care?
Do you know what’s best for each individual in that group of uninsured and underinsured people—let alone each person in a nation of 300+ million individuals?
Furthermore, each business functions to earn a profit for the owners of that business. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a lemonade stand or an insurance company.
Most of this can be forgiven.
The real concern is that an employee of the government can decide what kind of health care is in a patient’s best interest based on a list of criteria; as of now, it’s split among the patient, the doctor, and the insurance company. As inelegant, imperfect, and painful as this system may be; it does work.
As for “doing the right thing”? I refer you to Adam Smith, sir.
Callous? Perhaps.
One more question: Does callousness in an assertion make the assertion false?
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anotherindyfilmguy Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:09:18pm |
re: #253 JustABill
If the Republicans stop both of those bills they won’t be in the minority next time around.
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