LGF reader Keith G. has been working on an updated version of the list of LGF questions about health care reform originally proposed in this thread. He’s added a section for each question for any answers that become available.
This is a great resource; thanks to everyone for submitting your questions. Have a look and post any further criticisms or questions in this thread.
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:12:59pm |
Isn’t Obama calling it “Health Insurance Reform” now?
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turn Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:14:14pm |
Thanks Keith! I printed this out and reviewed it with the neighbor, it was very helpful.
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keithgabryelski Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:14:47pm |
I’m looking to get the answered questions crossed off.
If you have seen any of these questions asked, please send a link to the transcript (or audio/video) to me so I can include it.
In particular I am looking for cases when the question was not answered directly, so it can be noted and so we can find ways to ask the question so it can’t be dodged.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:15:22pm |
It is certainly a lot of work. Thanks to Keith for undertaking it!
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DEZes Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:16:28pm |
re: #4 keithgabryelski
I’m looking to get the answered questions crossed off.
If you have seen any of these questions asked, please send a link to the transcript (or audio/video) to me so I can include it.
In particular I am looking for cases when the question was not answered directly, so it can be noted and so we can find ways to ask the question so it can’t be dodged.
Thanks for putting forth the effort in this, and you too Charles.
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:16:45pm |
[Link: www.lib-art.com…]
gov’t health care is rationed care.
medicare and mediaid as well as the V.A. are rationed now.
make the congresscritters take the gov’t care instead of there gold plated care.
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keithgabryelski Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:16:50pm |
Thank you. I’m behind a little. I had expected to have more answers/half answers, but haven’t had the time to do research. That is what I will be working on this week.
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LGoPs Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:17:02pm |
Great job Keith.
BTW - even the ones that are answered still lead to more questions.
For example question 2.3 regarding paying for illegal aliens. Even though the answer is no, I doubt this highly. First of all, most of our agencies are prohibited from asking about ones legal residence status. And I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Bottom line is I think they will be paid for, which, with all the other costs will be a back breaker since we will in effect have the potential of paying for the entire world - as long as it can get here.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:17:20pm |
re: #2 Creeping Eruption
Isn’t Obama calling it “Health Insurance Reform” now?
It started out as “health care reform”, and has (or hasn’t) morphed into “health insurance reform”, depending on whether 0bama has given up on the “public option” (or hasn’t).
Now is that clear as mud?
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LGoPs Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:17:59pm |
re: #8 yochanan
[Link: www.lib-art.com…]
gov’t health care is rationed care.
medicare and mediaid as well as the V.A. are rationed now.make the congresscritters take the gov’t care instead of there gold plated care.
I think that becomes a line in the sand issue. Make them live by the laws they pass for us. Or else.
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Truck Monkey Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:18:12pm |
re: #2 Creeping Eruption
Isn’t Obama calling it “Health Insurance Reform” now?
He is now. LOOK… Over there. Look at the shiny whatchamacallit.
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jcm Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:18:29pm |
Snark on /
How many questions will still be unanswered when Obama signs it.
/ snark off
Outstanding job Keith!
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:19:20pm |
re: #12 Ward Cleaver
It started out as “health care reform”, and has (or hasn’t) morphed into “health insurance reform”, depending on whether 0bama has given up on the “public option” (or hasn’t).
Now is that clear as mud?
Thanks for clearing that up for me./
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:19:45pm |
re: #14 Truck Monkey
He is now. LOOK… Over there. Look at the shiny whatchamacallit.
Until the next time …
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:19:56pm |
OT - an example of DC government in action:
[Link: dcist.com…]
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experiencedtraveller Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:20:13pm |
re: #11 Ben Hur
BIG HEALTH IS RIPPING US OFF!
They got a good product. LIFE. Its amazing what someone will pay…
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:20:45pm |
Question 20.7: If you believe in the public sector competing with the private sector, why is it illegal for any entity but the Postal Services to deliver First Class Mail?
I love that question.
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:20:54pm |
re: #18 Mad Al-Jaffee
OT - an example of DC government in action:
[Link: dcist.com…]
Why do I get the feeling that is going to end up on “failblog”?
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:21:42pm |
‘Mad Pride’ Activists Say They’re Unique, Not Sick
Imagine if Vincent Van Gogh — an artist who was famously afflicted with mental health issues — had been forcibly injected with an antipsychotic drug like Thorazine. Or if Leonardo Da Vinci’s genius had been affected by antidepressants such as Wellbutrin.
That’s what San Francisco-based music artist Madigan Shive wondered.
“I think often that if DaVinci were alive during our time, would we just dope him up? What would we do?” she asked.
It’s a question being asked by a growing grass roots movement about 8,000 members strong — many of whom are rejecting pharmaceutical solutions for psychiatric conditions and fighting the stigmatization and shame of mental illness.
You’ve heard of Black Pride and Gay Pride. Now make room for Mad Pride.
NOW I get it!
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Danny Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:22:48pm |
Commendable work by Keith, if for no other reason than to illustrate that the questions about Obamacare outnumber the answers 160 to 1.
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keithgabryelski Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:22:49pm |
re: #10 LGoPs
Great job Keith.
BTW - even the ones that are answered still lead to more questions.
For example question 2.3 regarding paying for illegal aliens. Even though the answer is no, I doubt this highly. First of all, most of our agencies are prohibited from asking about ones legal residence status. And I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Bottom line is I think they will be paid for, which, with all the other costs will be a back breaker since we will in effect have the potential of paying for the entire world - as long as it can get here.
1) I agree that answers can lead to more questions. That is (one) point of this document.
2) I’d love a reference to anyone that has numbers on the cost of health care for illegals. As I understand it — they are a small issue.
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:23:25pm |
re: #22 Ben Hur
‘Mad Pride’ Activists Say They’re Unique, Not Sick
NOW I get it!
This is what happens when spayshul snowflakes and Indigo Children grow up. Madigan Shive, I will bet my last dollar that you are no van Gogh or da Vinci.
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Truck Monkey Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:23:44pm |
re: #18 Mad Al-Jaffee
OT - an example of DC government in action:
[Link: dcist.com…]
That brought to you by the Department of re-occuring redundancy Department. About as clear as their parking zone signs actually.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:25:33pm |
re: #26 Truck Monkey
That brought to you by the Department of re-occuring redundancy Department. About as clear as their parking zone signs actually.
Which means if you park in the wrong place, you’ll get toad away by the natural guard.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:26:01pm |
re: #20 SasquatchOnSteroids
I love that question.
I do too, but probably not for the reason some do.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:27:10pm |
I would like to know at what Trillion do we stop.
Is there no end ?
I balance my checkbook every month. I have to.
Spending other people’s money is fun, isn’t it ?
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:27:50pm |
News Note: Bernie Madoff dying of cancer in prison:
[Link: www.nypost.com…]
Note to scotland authorities: Madoff will die in prison … as he should. Although if Madoff were in a scottish prison dying of cancer, I doubt you’d have released him. After all, he isn’t a murderer.
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:28:22pm |
Obama should be logged on, he might actually learn something about the House proposal.
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:28:42pm |
do you remember the cartoons with Rockey the flying squirrel and Boris badenov. was it lier’s thieves and scoundrels union?
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Dianna Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:29:46pm |
re: #22 Ben Hur
‘Mad Pride’ Activists Say They’re Unique, Not Sick
NOW I get it!
In Van Gogh’s case, treatment might have saved his life.
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Danny Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:30:14pm |
Isnt the answer to 1.1 “America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009”?
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Shug Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:30:42pm |
Good Americans are called Mobs.
Good Americans are called Nazis
Good Americans are called Brown Shirts
Well the Good Americans have had enough.
I’m so happy the Democrats are trying to ram this legislation down the throats of Americans. Soon hopefully they’ll all be out of jobs
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:30:52pm |
re: #32 yochanan
do you remember the cartoons with Rockey the flying squirrel and Boris badenov. was it lier’s thieves and scoundrels union?
I don’t remember that one, but I haven’t seen most of the Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons in years.
I have seasons 1-4 on DVD, but they’re not quite high enough on my to-watch list right now.
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jcm Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:31:11pm |
Question 2.3: Are Illegal immigrants covered under the plan? What is the additional cost?
Answer 2.3: H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS (Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.)
Reference 2.3: [Link: www.factcheck.org…]
Status 2.3: ANSWERED
EMTALA (Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act) is the current law that requires ERs to accept all patients, and how many get medical care including illegal aliens.
Although “individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States” are not covered in health care, there is “coverage” under EMTALA. I think the follow up is how the current bill and EMTALA interact.
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Shug Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:31:30pm |
re: #29 SasquatchOnSteroids
I would like to know at what Trillion do we stop.
Is there no end ?
I balance my checkbook every month. I have to.
Spending other people’s money is fun, isn’t it ?
When we’ve actually borrowed enough money that China has to start printing extra.
then we’re done
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Danny Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:31:49pm |
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turn Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:32:29pm |
re: #32 yochanan
do you remember the cartoons with Rockey the flying squirrel and Boris badenov. was it lier’s thieves and scoundrels union?
There was a boris badenov who registered here the other day, don’t know if he’s posted yet though.
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Shug Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:32:29pm |
re: #30 _RememberTonyC
News Note: Bernie Madoff dying of cancer in prison:
[Link: www.nypost.com…]
Note to scotland authorities: Madoff will die in prison … as he should. Although if Madoff were in a scottish prison dying of cancer, I doubt you’d have released him. After all, he isn’t a murderer.
Send him to Libya
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keithgabryelski Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:32:31pm |
re: #37 jcm
Question 2.3: Are Illegal immigrants covered under the plan? What is the additional cost?
Answer 2.3: H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS (Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.)
Reference 2.3: [Link: www.factcheck.org…]
Status 2.3: ANSWEREDEMTALA (Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act) is the current law that requires ERs to accept all patients, and how many get medical care including illegal aliens.
Although “individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States” are not covered in health care, there is “coverage” under EMTALA. I think the follow up is how the current bill and EMTALA interact.
I agree. got a followup question?
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Dianna Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:33:22pm |
re: #37 jcm
Simple compassion and public health say that “undocumented” people will receive treatment, and the American people will pay for it.
I don’t have a problem with charity and public health, but I do have a problem with being forced to provide the money that provides the charity.
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kansas Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:33:45pm |
Obama hits golf course to start vacation
President Barack Obama played tennis with his wife and golf with his buddies Monday, starting his first vacation in office on Martha’s Vineyard, a picturesque island known as a refuge for the wealthy and privileged.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:34:10pm |
re: #43 Danny
The answer to 1.4 will most definitely be NO.
Question 1.3: Will the text of the bill be complete and not subject to further change before you vote on it?
Answer : BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:34:18pm |
re: #45 kansas
Obama hits golf course to start vacation
President Barack Obama played tennis with his wife and golf with his buddies Monday, starting his first vacation in office on Martha’s Vineyard, a picturesque island known as a refuge for the wealthy and privileged.
He has played golf almost every weekend.
But that’s cool.
Because he smokes.
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Shug Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:34:30pm |
Question 3.3: How much will this realistically cost, given that every other government program has gone staggeringly over cost projections
I have a giant headache.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:34:36pm |
re: #2 Creeping Eruption
Isn’t Obama calling it “Health Insurance Reform” now?
Well, with the public option gasping its last, that’s basically what it’s turning into.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:34:46pm |
re: #45 kansas
Obama hits golf course to start vacation
President Barack Obama played tennis with his wife and golf with his buddies Monday, starting his first vacation in office on Martha’s Vineyard, a picturesque island known as a refuge for the wealthy and privileged.
Moonbat’s Vineyahd
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turn Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:35:12pm |
re: #40 turn
Nope, doesn’t look like it if you got the spelling fight turn. Later folks, time to go walk the lab along the American. Thanks red and callahan for the snake pron karma.
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kansas Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:35:37pm |
re: #47 Ben Hur
He has played golf almost every weekend.
But that’s cool.
Because he smokes.
That was a headline. That and the CIA investigations. Consider subject changed.
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:37:01pm |
the longer the zero is on vocation the better sort of like when chicagostan gov’t was closed the crime rate here went down.
[Link: www.lib-art.com…]
all gov’t care for tax payers will be rationed care it already is rationed unless you have gold plated congresscritter care.
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jcm Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:37:42pm |
re: #42 keithgabryelski
I agree. got a followup question?
Might need some refinement, it has a couple parts, first the 46 million uninsured included illegals. I more interested in the budgetary aspects of how the cost will be covered.
Here it goes.
EMTALA already mandates coverage for anyone who shows up at an ER seeking medical care. The 46 million uninsured figures include illegal aliens. Even though the HR3200 has no provisions for coverage of these individuals, they will still be receiving treatments. How will these costs be covered and accounted for?
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:37:51pm |
This document is a great idea. I’m hoping that in the very near future I’ll have more of my personal time to devote to helping it along.
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Shug Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:38:01pm |
Question 20.7: If you believe in the public sector competing with the private sector, why is it illegal for any entity but the Postal Services to deliver First Class Mail?
I love this one
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:38:03pm |
now if we could convice the zero to go on vocation for 3 1/2 years.
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bnichols10 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:38:46pm |
I think the list of questions is great, but it is a distraction from the real point. This bill should be opposed simply because its purpose is to establish a massive bureaucracy with the legal authority to regulate all aspects of health insurance and health-care spending. It simply creates more federal regulations where less are needed.
Fundamentally, even if you DO think that people have a right to health care then the proper place to address this is at the state and local levels. That’s what our founding fathers intended - limited federal government with the majority of powers reserved for the states.
We should look at states like Massachusetts, Maine and Hawaii as examples. each of these states proposed plans that would ‘cut costs’ and make health care ‘more affordable’, but in every case they went way over budget, did it must faster than predicted and failed to make any significant improvements.
The only way it works at the Federal level is because they have the power to take an unlimited amount from each of us to make us feel like we are getting more than we are paying for.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:39:03pm |
re: #45 kansas
Obama hits golf course to start vacation
President Barack Obama played tennis with his wife and golf with his buddies Monday, starting his first vacation in office on Martha’s Vineyard, a picturesque island known as a refuge for the wealthy and privileged.
i understand there is an artificial reef just off the Chappaquiddick bridge. Good fishing there, if fishing is your thing.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:39:27pm |
re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, with the public option gasping its last, that’s basically what it’s turning into.
This is far from over. HB 3200 is only one of the many bills or possible bills. There are 4 in the Senate which we don’t have access to yet. And they will hack these over and over until they send all the house and senate proposals to committee.
So, we need to keep pushing, keep reading, keep trying to understand, but not give up until we see and can debate the actual final bill that will be voted on (if that happens).
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:40:53pm |
re: #22 Ben Hur
Or if Leonardo Da Vinci’s genius had been affected by antidepressants such as Wellbutrin.
If Leonardo was born in the 20th century he would have been told to stop doodling in the margins of his school work, pushed into a practical line of work and he would now be welcoming his daily dose of Wellbutrin.
/I am not bitter.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:41:17pm |
re: #58 bnichols10
We should look at states like Massachusetts, Maine and Hawaii as examples. each of these states proposed plans that would ‘cut costs’ and make health care ‘more affordable’, but in every case they went way over budget, did it must faster than predicted and failed to make any significant improvements.
The only way it works at the Federal level is because they
have the power to take an unlimited amount from each of us to make us feel like we are getting more than we are paying for.keep telling us that it will work.
I think that is worded a little better.
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SixDegrees Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:41:27pm |
re: #54 jcm
Might need some refinement, it has a couple parts, first the 46 million uninsured included illegals. I more interested in the budgetary aspects of how the cost will be covered.
Here it goes.
EMTALA already mandates coverage for anyone who shows up at an ER seeking medical care. The 46 million uninsured figures include illegal aliens. Even though the HR3200 has no provisions for coverage of these individuals, they will still be receiving treatments. How will these costs be covered and accounted for?
The same way they’re covered now - everyone else will pay for them, as those costs are distributed to ordinary patients.
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jcm Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:41:28pm |
re: #44 Dianna
Simple compassion and public health say that “undocumented” people will receive treatment, and the American people will pay for it.
I don’t have a problem with charity and public health, but I do have a problem with being forced to provide the money that provides the charity.
I’m not at all advocating cutting people off, I just want to know how the costs will be covered and how much it costs up front. It’s a bit disingenuous for HR3200 to say they won’t be covered when they are covered.
Personally I think foreign aid payments should be cut to cover citizens from other countries here illegally.
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:41:30pm |
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:41:50pm |
re: #59 SteveC
i understand there is an artificial reef just off the Chappaquiddick bridge. Good fishing there, if fishing is your thing.
How’s the snorkeling there? /
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:42:47pm |
re: #4 keithgabryelski
I’m looking to get the answered questions crossed off.
If you have seen any of these questions asked, please send a link to the transcript (or audio/video) to me so I can include it.
In particular I am looking for cases when the question was not answered directly, so it can be noted and so we can find ways to ask the question so it can’t be dodged.
I hope you don’t mean that you want to remove the “answered” questions. I would urge you to leave them there, with the answers, as a resource. Or leave the questions there with a link to a separate document for the answered questions.
Keith, you’ve done a really great job with this, the organization of this document is terrific, as well as your capture of the “history” of the formation of this document.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:43:05pm |
re: #66 DaddyG
How’s the snorkeling there? /
Roach Motel style - people drive in but they don’t drive out!
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jcm Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:43:05pm |
re: #63 SixDegrees
The same way they’re covered now - everyone else will pay for them, as those costs are distributed to ordinary patients.
You and I know that.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:43:32pm |
re: #68 SteveC
Roach Motel style - people drive in but they don’t drive out!
The roach escaped from that one.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:45:02pm |
re: #61 DaddyG
If Leonardo was born in the 20th century he would have been told to stop doodling in the margins of his school work, pushed into a practical line of work and he would now be welcoming his daily dose of Wellbutrin.
/I am not bitter.
When I was suffering from unmedicated clinical depression, I had lots of ideas, but didn’t get any writing done because I was so damn depressed all trhe time.
Now I take my daily dose of Paxil, and I can actually sit down and work for a couple hours without bursting into tears and wandering off to take a nap.
Of course, the geniuses who drowned themselves in the Seine because Paxil wasn’t available to them never get mentioned. Because they didn’t actually create anything.
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:45:07pm |
Here is another question: If you believe strongly that private / public competition benefits all, then why are you opposed to school choice initiatives such as vouchers? If you oppose them on religious grounds (eg - it would have public money paying for education and church owned schools) then will you oppose reimbursements for medical services performed in church owned hospitals and teaching hospitals?
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jcm Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:45:13pm |
re: #67 reine.de.tout
I hope you don’t mean that you want to remove the “answered” questions. I would urge you to leave them there, with the answers, as a resource. Or leave the questions there with a link to a separate document for the answered questions.
Keith, you’ve done a really great job with this, the organization of this document is terrific, as well as your capture of the “history” of the formation of this document.
I vote with r.d.t
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:46:02pm |
I am off for the night, but I must recommend a link from the end of the last thread. Bobblehead linked an article about a newly discovered Pitcher Plant that eats rats. Very cool. G’night
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:46:54pm |
I’m not interested in left-wing progressive snake oil.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:47:38pm |
re: #73 karmic_inquisitor
Here is another question: If you believe strongly that private / public competition benefits all, then why are you opposed to school choice initiatives such as vouchers? If you oppose them on religious grounds (eg - it would have public money paying for education and church owned schools) then will you oppose reimbursements for medical services performed in church owned hospitals and teaching hospitals?
Would you—I’m talking to KI, not the administration here—be in favor of all citizens receiving vouchers for private health care? Why or why not?
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:48:41pm |
re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist
When I was suffering from unmedicated clinical depression, I had lots of ideas, but didn’t get any writing done because I was so damn depressed all the time.
Now I take my daily dose of Paxil, and I can actually sit down and work for a couple hours without bursting into tears and wandering off to take a nap.
Of course, the geniuses who drowned themselves in the Seine because Paxil wasn’t available to them never get mentioned. Because they didn’t actually create anything.
I’m glad it’s working for you. I’d be divorced and unemployed if it weren’t for Wellbutrin. (Paxil made me fat.)
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:48:57pm |
re: #75 Ben Hur
I self-medicate.
Like Abe Lincoln.
Mary Lincoln was teetering right on the edge of mental instability, if I remember correctly, and then the Assassination gave her that one final shove.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:49:53pm |
re: #66 DaddyG
How’s the snorkeling there? /
I know that Hurricane Bill was heading northeast off the east coast - did 0bama get rained on at all?
His going to the Vineyard just shows what a regular guy he is. Not.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:50:23pm |
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kansas Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:51:17pm |
re: #59 SteveC
i understand there is an artificial reef just off the Chappaquiddick bridge. Good fishing there, if fishing is your thing.
Just don’t catch a ride with you know who.
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jcm Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:51:49pm |
re: #78 FrogMarch
I’m not interested in left-wing progressive snake oil.
Look at it this way, these questions are the ones we should be pinning our congresscritters to the wall with.
The more informed our objections are, the more impact they will have.
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:53:19pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:53:59pm |
re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist
Would you—I’m talking to KI, not the administration here—be in favor of all citizens receiving vouchers for private health care? Why or why not?
That is an interesting idea.
I could see a market based reform effort where vouchers could go to those identified as “in need” as a form of public assistance. Redeemable only for medical services. Able to be deposited as cash by licensed practitioners.
Many doctors extend significant cash discounts because insurance companies can take forever to pay and often come back and quibble about procedures. I used to have an MSA (medical savings account) and would ask for and get cash discounts all of the time. Still do on non-covered services like braces for the kids.
I’d support it if some degree of fraud protection were in place. If the practitioner is board certified and licensed I don’t care if s/he works for St. John’s Hospital or Greedy Bastard Hospital.
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:54:31pm |
re: #81 SteveC
give what abe l. had to do i am supprise he could have been sane either
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:54:35pm |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:54:36pm |
re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist
When I was suffering from unmedicated clinical depression, I had lots of ideas, but didn’t get any writing done because I was so damn depressed all trhe time.
Now I take my daily dose of Paxil, and I can actually sit down and work for a couple hours without bursting into tears and wandering off to take a nap.
Of course, the geniuses who drowned themselves in the Seine because Paxil wasn’t available to them never get mentioned. Because they didn’t actually create anything.
I took Paxil but it didn’t work for me. My Dr. has me on Lexapro now. We’ll see if this works.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:54:55pm |
What did they use Quaalude for in the old days and why did they stop making them?
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:55:22pm |
re: #81 SteveC
Mary Lincoln was teetering right on the edge of mental instability, if I remember correctly, and then the Assassination gave her that one final shove.
I watched the American Presidents series that CSPAN ran years ago (1999), and the one on Lincoln showed some of his sense of humor. One time when the Lincolns still lived in Springfield, a visitor knocked on the door of the Lincolns’ home, looking for Mary. Abe answered the door, and told the caller that Mary was “..upstairs, putting on her overalls”. LOL!
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keithgabryelski Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:55:25pm |
re: #67 reine.de.tout
I hope you don’t mean that you want to remove the “answered” questions. I would urge you to leave them there, with the answers, as a resource. Or leave the questions there with a link to a separate document for the answered questions.
Keith, you’ve done a really great job with this, the organization of this document is terrific, as well as your capture of the “history” of the formation of this document.
Nothing will be removed from the document.
I merely meant my intention to highlight the questions that haven’t been asked (or haven’t been answered)
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Danny Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:55:25pm |
Just trying to find answers to these questions convinces me beyond all doubt that I want HR 3200 to fail.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:56:37pm |
re: #85 jcm
Look at it this way, these questions are the ones we should be pinning our congresscritters to the wall with.
The more informed our objections are, the more impact they will have.
You are correct and we need straight answers.
These questions are neither left nor right. They are questions any citizen should be asking about this thing.
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tradewind Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:56:59pm |
Ahh yes… wondered how long it would take them.
For release (and relief) by POTUS as soon as things start to unravel with his health care crap. Statement from the WH re H1N1.
Distract much?
[Link: www.bloomberg.com…]
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_remembertonyc Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:57:46pm |
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:57:48pm |
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:57:49pm |
re: #93 Cannadian Club Akbar
What did they use Quaalude for in the old days and why did they stop making them?
It was a sedative and muscle relaxant, but it was so widely abused that they finally shut down production.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:58:11pm |
re: #96 keithgabryelski
Nothing will be removed from the document.
I merely meant my intention to highlight the questions that haven’t been asked (or haven’t been answered)
OK, I was hoping you meant something like that rather than “crossing off” certain questions, which I took to mean they would be taken off altogether. My misunderstanding.
Again, great job
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Shug Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:58:27pm |
re: #101 _remembertonyc
or detroit … if you really want him to suffer
Or Split the difference and send him to Dearborn.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:58:35pm |
re: #103 doppelganglander
It was a sedative and muscle relaxant, but it was so widely abused that they finally shut down production.
‘Ludes, man!
/i remember the ’70s
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:58:53pm |
re: #103 doppelganglander
It was a sedative and muscle relaxant, but it was so widely abused that they finally shut down production.
I took 1, one time. Fell out of a tree. Took about 5 minutes to hit the ground.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:58:56pm |
re: #91 Ben Hur
To paraphrase a Mark Lowery quote, “Mohamed, one day you will do something very special. Until then, take this pill.”
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tradewind Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:59:15pm |
“This isn’t the flu that we’re used to,”
(Sebelius)
Just in case there was any doubt where this originated. Right out of TOTUS’
’ This is not the ___ I knew ’ playbook.
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:59:27pm |
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Bobblehead Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:59:40pm |
re: #76 Creeping Eruption
I am off for the night, but I must recommend a link from the end of the last thread. Bobblehead linked an article about a newly discovered Pitcher Plant that eats rats. Very cool. G’night
Gee. That was nice. Here it is in all it’s carnivorous glory. Make sure you watch the video.
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_remembertonyc Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:00:07pm |
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:00:22pm |
re: #92 Alouette
I took Paxil but it didn’t work for me. My Dr. has me on Lexapro now. We’ll see if this works.
Different things work for different people. Good old Prozac worked for me, years ago, during a messy divorce. It was a godsend.
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bnichols10 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:00:32pm |
What about a separate thread to discuss alternative solutions to health care - i.e anything other than a government takeover of the system. I can start with a few:
1.) Tort reform
2.) More consumer choices - let me choose what coverage I want, what deductible I want for my family and what I want covered. If I don’t need / want counseling services or coverage for hair plugs then let me make that decision.
3.) Portability - equalize the tax treatment between private and employer plans and move towards a model where employers can choose to contribute to coverage the employee purchased, rather than being the provider of the insurance.
Other ideas???
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kansas Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:00:32pm |
re: #97 Danny
Just trying to find answers to these questions convinces me beyond all doubt that I want HR 3200 to fail.
To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce
the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
JULY 14, 2009
Mr. DINGELL (for himself, Mr. RANGEL, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. GEORGE MILLER
of California, Mr. STARK, Mr. PALLONE, and Mr. ANDREWS) introduced
the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Energy and
Commerce, and in addition to the Committees on Ways and Means, Education
and Labor, Oversight and Government Reform, and the Budget,
for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case
for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the
committee concerned
A BILL
To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans
and reduce the growth in health care spending, and
for other purposes.
Pretty sure all you need to know is that the purpose of the bill, to provide quality health care for all while at the same time reducing the growth in health care spending would be like my bill to provide all you can eat twinkies and beer for everyone at the same time reducing their their weight. Add to that, “other purposes”, and I think you can safely call this bill dangerous.
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LGoPs Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:01:11pm |
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:01:33pm |
re: #110 doppelganglander
Then clearly you didn’t take ludes.
Nope. Knew people that did, though. That’s why they called it high school.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:01:35pm |
Daughter’s school called today to say they have 2 confirmed cases of h1n1 flu already. School won’t be closed, but they urged hand-washing, etc.
The vaccine for this thing isn’t even out yet, is it?
Since it’s so early, is it possible this flu will run its course before the vaccine is even ready?
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:02:00pm |
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Bobblehead Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:02:07pm |
re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist
When I was suffering from unmedicated clinical depression, I had lots of ideas, but didn’t get any writing done because I was so damn depressed all trhe time.
Now I take my daily dose of Paxil, and I can actually sit down and work for a couple hours without bursting into tears and wandering off to take a nap.
Of course, the geniuses who drowned themselves in the Seine because Paxil wasn’t available to them never get mentioned. Because they didn’t actually create anything.
Some years ago my physician classed the new serotonin boosters as miracle drugs. And indeed they are. Personal experience here.
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:02:20pm |
re: #91 Ben Hur
frankly I think he was more of a sociopath mass murder who must have found some funny mushrooms as well.
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kansas Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:02:29pm |
re: #119 reine.de.tout
Daughter’s school called today to say they have 2 confirmed cases of h1n1 flu already. School won’t be closed, but they urged hand-washing, etc.
The vaccine for this thing isn’t even out yet, is it?
Since it’s so early, is it possible this flu will run its course before the vaccine is even ready?
Course since they never tested for H1N1 before they don’t know how many cases there were last year.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:02:42pm |
re: #100 tradewind
Funny you should post that… I was just reading this:
…Among the group’s prime recommendations:
accelerate the preparation of flu vaccine for distribution to high-risk individuals;
clarify guidelines for the use of antiviral medicines;
upgrade the current system for tracking the pandemic’s progress and making resource allocation decisions;
accelerate the development of communication strategies—including Web-based social networking tools—to broadcast public health messages that can help mitigate the pandemic’s impact;
and identify a White House point person with primary authority to coordinate key decisions across the government as the pandemic evolves.
…
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tradewind Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:02:58pm |
re: #117 LGoPs
Face it… infidels often risk Muslim fury just by breathing. What did he have to lose…
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:03:05pm |
re: #123 kansas
Course since they never tested for H1N1 before they don’t know how many cases there were last year.
We didn’t have much flu here last year at all.
It just seems very early to me for flu to be showing up.
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kansas Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:03:47pm |
re: #125 tradewind
Face it… infidels often risk Muslim fury just by breathing. What did he have to lose…
Might want to ask Nick Berg and Danny Pearl that one.
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Silvergirl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:04:00pm |
re: #103 doppelganglander
It was a sedative and muscle relaxant, but it was so widely abused that they finally shut down production.
I have a vague memory of quaaludes being used as animal tranquilizers.
?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:04:01pm |
re: #119 reine.de.tout
Daughter’s school called today to say they have 2 confirmed cases of h1n1 flu already. School won’t be closed, but they urged hand-washing, etc.
The vaccine for this thing isn’t even out yet, is it?
Since it’s so early, is it possible this flu will run its course before the vaccine is even ready?
Not for me…[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]
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jcm Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:04:13pm |
re: #115 bnichols10
What about a separate thread to discuss alternative solutions to health care - i.e anything other than a government takeover of the system. I can start with a few:
1.) Tort reform
2.) More consumer choices - let me choose what coverage I want, what deductible I want for my family and what I want covered. If I don’t need / want counseling services or coverage for hair plugs then let me make that decision.
3.) Portability - equalize the tax treatment between private and employer plans and move towards a model where employers can choose to contribute to coverage the employee purchased, rather than being the provider of the insurance.Other ideas???
Reduction of mandates for elective procedures.
Control abuse of no pre-existing condition clauses. Those who buy insurance when they get sick under a pre-existing condition clause then drop the insurance when they no longer need it, in WA that part alone did more to kill the individual insurance market.
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tradewind Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:04:55pm |
re: #126 reine.de.tout
There were 56,000 deaths in the US from influenza in 2006.
I don’t remember any headlines.
Look for the Obama administration to jump on this with both feet as ’ any port in a storm’.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:04:58pm |
re: #112 Bobblehead
Gee. That was nice. Here it is in all it’s carnivorous glory. Make sure you watch the video.
I’d love to watch it eat PETA members!
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snowcrash Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:05:25pm |
re: #119 reine.de.tout
How long have your kids been back in school? My kids started today in TX.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:06:05pm |
re: #134 snowcrash
How long have your kids been back in school? My kids started today in TX.
Mine is starting his 3rd full week today
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Bobblehead Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:06:32pm |
re: #133 buzzsawmonkey
Now there’s a great idea for a movie that will never be made. Remember “Night Must Fall,” the film in which the killer carries his victim’s head around in a hatbox? Take that little device and apply it to a modern urban jihadi.
Robert Montgomery was supremely creepy.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:06:44pm |
re: #93 Cannadian Club Akbar
What did they use Quaalude for in the old days and why did they stop making them?
Well, you crushed them up and sprinkled it over the bong load, then… wait … did you mean the doctors?
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Dianna Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:07:03pm |
re: #93 Cannadian Club Akbar
What did they use Quaalude for in the old days and why did they stop making them?
OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder), anxiety and other miseries; they stopped making them because people abused them to a ridiculous degree.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:07:11pm |
re: #131 tradewind
Please.
This is a serious issue… You aren’t going to go Glenn Beck on us with this issue, are you?
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LGoPs Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:07:34pm |
re: #125 tradewind
Face it… infidels often risk Muslim fury just by breathing. What did he have to lose…
It is interesting that they can’t seem to abide critical views, or any contrary views for that matter. When I lived in Saudi Arabia, the mere mention of any other religion would cause trouble and any attempt to advance it could have fatal consequences. Talk about not having a sense of humor.
But it also told me at least, that their faith must be weak if it can’t stand even the mention of any other. I spent 5 years there, away from my own religion but my faith was never shaken or changed.
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:07:42pm |
re: #91 Ben Hur
epilepsy is not schizophrenia, nor is a more bloodthirsty culture than effete modern Europe - or America.
depressing could be argued separately
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:07:46pm |
re: #140 Racer X
Well, you crushed them up and sprinkled it over the bong load, then… wait … did you mean the doctors?
Heh. And Racer, you posted “the funniest thread” the other day. EPIC!!!
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:08:12pm |
re: #119 reine.de.tout
Daughter’s school called today to say they have 2 confirmed cases of h1n1 flu already. School won’t be closed, but they urged hand-washing, etc.
The vaccine for this thing isn’t even out yet, is it?
Since it’s so early, is it possible this flu will run its course before the vaccine is even ready?
I think it’s very likely. Or it could mutate, rendering the vaccine useless. I got the H1N1 email from my daughter’s school as well. I’ll make sure she’s carrying hand sanitizer, but there’s not much else you can do.
What I’m a little more worried about is the big sci-fi convention we’re attending on Labor Day weekend. Mr. Doppel is the director of media relations - he’s responsible for clearing applicants for press badges. One of our staff members pointed out that those members of the press are likely to ask if we have a plan to prevent or minimize the spread of H1N1 among the roughly 35,000 attendees. I’m not prone to panic, but I may make a face mask part of my costume.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:09:23pm |
Michael Jackson’s death determined to be Murder. Criminal charges expected.
As wierd as he was, I can’t imagine what the motive would be or why the murderer would expect to get away with it.
His poor mother and those children!
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:09:34pm |
re: #131 tradewind
There were 56,000 deaths in the US from influenza in 2006.
I don’t remember any headlines.
Look for the Obama administration to jump on this with both feet as ’ any port in a storm’.
Kewl, and so any deaths greater than zero are entirely his fault - unless he blames Bush for them instead.
Obama wasted his time talking about insurance, while people were dying!
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:10:05pm |
re: #148 ggt
Michael Jackson’s death determined to be Murder. Criminal charges expected.
As wierd as he was, I can’t imagine what the motive would be or why the murderer would expect to get away with it.
His poor mother and those children!
criminal negligence.
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Bobblehead Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:10:16pm |
re: #132 Alouette
I’d love to watch it eat PETA members!
Expect a lawsuit against Mother Nature for unnecessary cruelty against rodents.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:10:18pm |
re: #111 buzzsawmonkey
From ‘Ludes to Ludacris in a mere 30 years.
Gak! I am in so much Trouble..Buzzsaw…Did you see Ludacris in Hustle and Flow? The song track won an Oscar…
The sound track was so authentic Memphis Hip hop when it all started out…
Do you still love me? LOL
| 153 |
Shug Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:10:39pm |
re: #148 ggt
Michael Jackson’s death determined to be Murder. Criminal charges expected.
As wierd as he was, I can’t imagine what the motive would be or why the murderer would expect to get away with it.
His poor mother and those children!
I would imagine it would be neglegent homicide on the part of the non-board certified quack who was his rent a doc
| 154 |
tradewind Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:11:03pm |
re: #142 freetoken
Excuse me. I don’t remember posting anything accompanied by weeping or gnashing of teeth, or forecasting any apocalyptic scenarios.
I was a) stating a fact… that there are annually many thousands of Americans who succumb to the flu, and b) offering the opinion that the WH will politicize this to the max if it thinks it will help it with its agenda.
Too hysterical for you?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:11:11pm |
re: #143 snowcrash
Any reports of flu cases?
Not a one. My son goes to a private school outside of Atlanta. I have seen no reports of any cases even in the public schools here, and they also are into their 3rd week
| 156 |
FemNaziBitch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:11:27pm |
all right, the first article I read was not quite right. Not murder, but homocide.
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:11:58pm |
re: #132 Alouette
get a extra large one and send it to washington d.c. lots of two legged rats there.
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:12:20pm |
re: #85 jcm
Look at it this way, these questions are the ones we should be pinning our congresscritters to the wall with.
The more informed our objections are, the more impact they will have.
I agree. I have zero confidence that our representatives care about answering questions - unless they can spin to hide their real agenda: The glorious single payer “public option” solution.
| 159 |
KingKenrod Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:12:47pm |
re: #10 LGoPs
Great job Keith.
BTW - even the ones that are answered still lead to more questions.
For example question 2.3 regarding paying for illegal aliens. Even though the answer is no, I doubt this highly. First of all, most of our agencies are prohibited from asking about ones legal residence status. And I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Bottom line is I think they will be paid for, which, with all the other costs will be a back breaker since we will in effect have the potential of paying for the entire world - as long as it can get here.
I think 2.3 remains unanswered. The bill says no subsidy will go to an illegal alien, but there is no provision for determining an applicant’s status before a subsidy is granted. Democrats have specifically rejected that kind of provision.
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com…]
[Link: www.slate.com…]
Also, when the bill says illegal aliens are not eligible for affordability credits, that’s only assistance paying for insurance. The system still has to pay for their care, which (as it is now) is absorbed by the taxpayer.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:13:00pm |
re: #150 itellu3times
criminal negligence.
YOU are correct. I still feel for those kids. The news reports have started to relent and now they are going to be faced with another barrage and the family will have to endure a trial.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:13:58pm |
re: #143 snowcrash
Any reports of flu cases?
Effect Measure for a general overview from a Public Health perspective.
The H5N1 Flu Blog has switched over to H1N1 coverage and is very good.
| 163 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:14:14pm |
re: #161 ggt
YOU are correct. I still feel for those kids. The news reports have started to relent and now they are going to be faced with another barrage and the family will have to endure a trial.
Geraldo will call it the Trial of the Century!
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freetoken Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:14:45pm |
re: #154 tradewind
Frankly, your comment #131 sounded very much like Glenn Beck’s comments on swine flu from a couple of months ago.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:14:49pm |
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:14:53pm |
re: #148 ggt
Michael Jackson’s death determined to be Murder. Criminal charges expected.
As wierd as he was, I can’t imagine what the motive would be or why the murderer would expect to get away with it.
His poor mother and those children!
Homicide is not necessarily murder. Criminally negligent homicide or manslaughter seem to be the likely charges against that quack doctor of his.
| 167 |
Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:15:07pm |
re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar
Good call. I actually laughed (still chuckling).
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Racer X Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:15:07pm |
I have an alternate solution to the Trillion Dollar Health Care Debacle.
Give those who have no health care a voucher to be used with the doctor of their choice. Couple that with a tax credit and problem solved. For a lot less than a trillion dollars.
Next enact tort reform. Quit giving millions of dollars to people just because the doctor (while trying to save your life) did not do his job perfectly. You get free medical care for the rest of your life. Period. No lottery for you.
Provide low cost loans and grants for American kids to go to school to become doctors - real ones not plastic surgeons.
Improve the incentives for quality affordable health care. Competition is a good thing.
Now health care for everyone becomes more affordable.
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tradewind Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:15:08pm |
re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar
They’d better put that doc in protective custody if they want him alive to testify cop a plea.
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:15:12pm |
re: #148 ggt
Michael Jackson’s death determined to be Murder. Criminal charges expected.
As wierd as he was, I can’t imagine what the motive would be or why the murderer would expect to get away with it.
His poor mother and those children!
FRANKLY MY GIVE A DAMN IS BROKEN can this blog be a m.j. free zone.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:15:43pm |
re: #134 snowcrash
How long have your kids been back in school? My kids started today in TX.
since August 7.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:15:57pm |
re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar
Geraldo will call it the Trial of the Century!
Is this the 3rd or 4th Trial of the Century? I forget.
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kansas Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:16:18pm |
re: #142 freetoken
Please.
This is a serious issue… You aren’t going to go Glenn Beck on us with this issue, are you?
There were 56,000 deaths in the US from influenza in 2006.
I don’t remember any headlines.
Look for the Obama administration to jump on this with both feet as ’ any port in a storm’.
That’s not going Glen Beck. That’s a legitimate issue. Flu is a killer every year. Remember just before 9/11 everyday there was a shark attack. After 9/11 you didn’t hear about them. Shark attacks never increased or decreased. The reporting on them did. Anyway, look for the Obama media to go all hysterical over this.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:16:27pm |
This should be in every newspaper in the country (of course it won’t be). Sort of points up the gut reluctance felt by the majority of the people in this country to this whole push down.
What’s right about this bill?
- unansweared
What’s wrong with this bill?
- unanswered
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:16:35pm |
Jackson’s DR. was hired by the production company in charge of his tour in Europe, IIRC.
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tradewind Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:17:17pm |
re: #164 freetoken
Link?
And by the way, if his comment consisted of the fact that Americans die by the thousands from flu every year, he was entirely correct. If he predicted politicizing an expected outbreak, he was spot on as well.
I can’t take responsibility for any craziness he may have lapsed into after that.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:17:32pm |
The dogs want me to get off the computer and feed them.
must comply.
have a great evening all!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:17:36pm |
re: #129 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not for me…[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]
From that link:
Officials say only about a third as much vaccine as they had been expecting by mid-October is likely to arrive by then, when a new wave of infections could be peaking.
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kansas Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:17:51pm |
re: #164 freetoken
Frankly, your comment #131 sounded very much like Glenn Beck’s comments on swine flu from a couple of months ago.
Calling someone Glen Beck is a way to marginalize them. Might want to wait until someone actually sounds like Beck to accuse them of it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:19:21pm |
re: #178 reine.de.tout
I don’t get the regular flu, so I’m not gonna get a pig-flu shot.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:19:34pm |
re: #179 kansas
Calling someone Glen Beck is a way to marginalize them. Might want to wait until someone actually sounds like Beck to accuse them of it.
Kinda like calling Bush or Obama “Hitler”.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:19:49pm |
re: #172 SteveC
Is this the 3rd or 4th Trial of the Century? I forget.
Lets see
Last century we had
the Charles Limburgh case
OJ Simpson
Clause Von Buleau (sp?)
I’m sure many more
2000- present???
Buehler ,,, Buehler !!!
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keithgabryelski Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:20:06pm |
re: #159 KingKenrod
I think 2.3 remains unanswered. The bill says no subsidy will go to an illegal alien, but there is no provision for determining an applicant’s status before a subsidy is granted. Democrats have specifically rejected that kind of provision.
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com…]
[Link: www.slate.com…]Also, when the bill says illegal aliens are not eligible for affordability credits, that’s only assistance paying for insurance. The system still has to pay for their care, which (as it is now) is absorbed by the taxpayer.
The questions is essentially:
“Want additional benefits will this bill give to non-citizens”
The answer is “none”.
Do you disagree to that?
Can you write a question that sums up your question?
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Dianna Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:20:32pm |
re: #180 Cannadian Club Akbar
I don’t get the regular flu, so I’m not gonna get a pig-flu shot.
I’m going to. I hate flu shots, but I keep getting killer cases, so from here on out, I’ve got to get shots.
Ugh.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:20:43pm |
re: #177 ggt
The dogs want me to get off the computer and feed them.
must comply.
have a great evening all!
You feed your dogs a computer???
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kansas Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:21:20pm |
re: #181 Racer X
Kinda like calling Bush or Obama “Hitler”.
I would have thought Hitler was worse but yeah, like that. But on the other hand, Bush was Hitler for 8 years, so somebody has to be Hitler now./
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:21:27pm |
re: #184 Dianna
I’m going to. I hate flu shots, but I keep getting killer cases, so from here on out, I’ve got to get shots.
Ugh.
Umm, I haven’t even had a cold in 12 years. Sorry.
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Shug Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:22:01pm |
re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar
Umm, I haven’t even had a cold in 12 years. Sorry.
congratulations on being a hand-washing non nosepicker.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:22:01pm |
re: #147 doppelganglander
I think it’s very likely. Or it could mutate, rendering the vaccine useless. I got the H1N1 email from my daughter’s school as well. I’ll make sure she’s carrying hand sanitizer, but there’s not much else you can do.
What I’m a little more worried about is the big sci-fi convention we’re attending on Labor Day weekend. Mr. Doppel is the director of media relations - he’s responsible for clearing applicants for press badges. One of our staff members pointed out that those members of the press are likely to ask if we have a plan to prevent or minimize the spread of H1N1 among the roughly 35,000 attendees. I’m not prone to panic, but I may make a face mask part of my costume.
I’m not sure anti-bacterial hand sanitizers kill the flu virus. I just know I’ll be keeping my hands so washed, people are going to think I have some sort of obsessive-compulsive disorder.
I probably have reason to be a bit more nervous than most, because I have a glitchy immune system. Monthly gamma-globulin keeps me going, but I’m subject to complications just from catching a simple cold. If I get panicky here on the threads, ya’ll will have to hit me upside the head and tell me to get ahold of myself!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:22:24pm |
re: #179 kansas
Might want to wait until someone actually sounds like Beck to accuse them of it.
Beck’s Swine Flu Theory (video)
Heh.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:23:00pm |
re: #189 Shug
congratulations on being a hand-washing non nosepicker.
Wait right there!!! Somebody has to pick it…
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:23:33pm |
down dinging m.j. posts frankly i stopped watching the news when that pervert died. sainthood for a perv YUCK YUCK.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:24:40pm |
re: #162 SteveC
Effect Measure for a general overview from a Public Health perspective.
The H5N1 Flu Blog has switched over to H1N1 coverage and is very good.
Also, Helen Branswell, Medical Reporter for The Canadian Press, has been doing some pretty awesome writing about H1N1.
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kansas Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:24:53pm |
re: #191 Killgore Trout
Beck’s Swine Flu Theory (video)
Heh.
Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Dianna Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:25:03pm |
re: #191 Killgore Trout
Beck’s Swine Flu Theory (video)
Heh.
No one here has said Obama’s going to use the flu as an excuse to declare martial law.
Beck is insane.
It’s not insane to note the usual number of flu deaths.
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Chaplain Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:25:53pm |
Holy Moley! That is a lot of unanswered questions. I love the list. Very good idea whoever came up with this.
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:26:10pm |
re: #187 kansas
SAW a bunch of larouchies with there zero with a snicklegruber moustache f…g idiots. waste your life become a larouchie.
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Bobblehead Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:26:26pm |
re: #170 yochanan
FRANKLY MY GIVE A DAMN IS BROKEN can this blog be a m.j. free zone.
Agreed. Who gives a fat frog’s fanny about anything that has to do with MJ?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:26:38pm |
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:26:56pm |
Hot Dogs and Peaches for dinner.
Kids.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:27:04pm |
Crazy chicks are so hot…
Bachmann to host town hall with Rep. Ron Paul
In an interview with AM 1280 on Saturday, Rep. Michele Bachmann announced that she will have Rep. Ron Paul as her guest for a September town hall forum in St. Cloud.
“I’ll be doing another town hall up in the St. Cloud area in September and we’ll do that on monetary policy. Ron Paul is going to come in and we are going to host something on monetary policy,” Bachmann said.
Bachmann is a convert to the Ron Paul movement, sometimes attending the congressman’s weekly lunches.
“I especially want to speak to the 19- to 20-year olds so they can know what there future will be under this level of debt accumulation and spending,” she added about the forum. “They need to know their future. And so I’m bringing him in so we can have a discussion on monetary policy.”
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:28:07pm |
re: #200 Charles
Thanks, the player that I linked to on the Daily Beast site sucks. Alex Jones has been ranting about the same thing for quite some time.
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:28:13pm |
re: #201 SasquatchOnSteroids
Hot Dogs and Peaches for dinner.
Kids.
Baked mac and cheese for dinner.
Adult. :)
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:28:30pm |
re: #190 reine.de.tout
If I get panicky here on the threads, ya’ll will have to hit me upside the head and tell me to get ahold of myself!
Can’t imagine anyone being willing to hit you, reine…how about a {} instead?
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:28:42pm |
re: #202 Killgore Trout
Bachmann is a convert to the Ron Paul movement, sometimes attending the congressman’s weekly lunches.
SHE DONE CAUGHT DAT DER RON PAUL FLU!!!1111
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Bobblehead Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:28:57pm |
re: #201 SasquatchOnSteroids
Hot Dogs and Peaches for dinner.
Kids.
Sounds yummy. Fresh or canned peaches?
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tradewind Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:29:10pm |
re: #191 Killgore Trout
Maybe it’s just my ears, but not once did I hear Beck mention the number of cases of flu that kill Americans annually, or say anything at all specific except how much he disliked the then - nominee Sebelius and her link to late term abortions providers.
But never waste a good Heh.
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:29:20pm |
re: #199 Bobblehead
there was a female actress who was some kind of spokeswoman for a childrens wealfare group and when she saw g-d he asked her what she wanted and she said do something to protect the children
g-d answer was to kill m.j.
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Bobblehead Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:29:38pm |
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:29:46pm |
There are a lot of “Unanswered” questions.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:30:13pm |
re: #203 buzzsawmonkey
You’re A-OK with me, Hoops, but I can’t bear hip-hop.
Buzz, buzz, how can you not be down with Chief Boot Knocka ?
/
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:31:09pm |
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keithgabryelski Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:32:25pm |
re: #213 quickjustice
There are a lot of “Unanswered” questions.
They just haven’t been filled in — I’m concentrating on that this week.
I expect to see 1/3rd of them answered (reasonable) and a further third to be partially answered or dodged.
Those are “gut” estimates.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:32:30pm |
re: #206 scottishbuzzsaw
Can’t imagine anyone being willing to hit you, reine…how about a {} instead?
{scotti}
I’m not prone to being emotional, but I will admit right here - health stuff gets to me, and I lose all perspective and go into full panic mode. I will need a hit upside the head if that happens. Really. It’s what my family does LOL.
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Bobblehead Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:32:40pm |
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:32:53pm |
re: #205 midwestgak
Baked mac and cheese for dinner.
Adult. :)
I had rabbit food. :( But I pulled out my Salad Shooter and hosed the kitchen down, man. Dead ‘maters and cukes all over the place, even cut down a couple of radishes. Two to the back of the head.
CSI is still sorting it out. I’m posting from the back of a police car.
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:33:03pm |
re: #161 ggt
YOU are correct. I still feel for those kids. The news reports have started to relent and now they are going to be faced with another barrage and the family will have to endure a trial.
Doubt there will be a trial, just a plea bargain, maybe a suspended medical license.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:33:46pm |
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:33:52pm |
Wisconsin Sen. Russ Feingold calls for timeline on Afghanistan military pullout
Sen. Russ Feingold today called for a timeline to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan.
The Wisconsin senator, who backed U.S. action there, called for a flexible withdrawal timeline. He made the statement for the first time today, at a Post-Crescent editorial board meeting.
“After eight years, I am not convinced that simply pouring more and more troops into Afghanistan is a well-thought-out strategy,” Feingold said.
Feingold said he has raised the issue with the President, the chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff and others.
The white flag is raised.
/now it’s a race to see how fast we can give Afghanistan back to the Taliban
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:34:00pm |
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:35:09pm |
re: #217 reine.de.tout
{scotti}
I’m not prone to being emotional, but I will admit right here - health stuff gets to me, and I lose all perspective and go into full panic mode. I will need a hit upside the head if that happens. Really. It’s what my family does LOL.
Having a compromised immune system for the past four years, I can empathize. Stress makes is much worse for me, though, so I have to try to stay calm…{reine}.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:35:27pm |
re: #226 buzzsawmonkey
He eats canned peaches and footlong hot dogs
Green pickle relish and man, oh, man
Canned peaches and footlong hot dogs
And some stone-ground mustard that’s a medium tan—to the tune of “Tan Shoes & Pink Shoelaces”
Encyclopedia Buzzanica.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:35:39pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:36:08pm |
ANNOUNCMENT
I have now been at work for 32 1/2 of the last 56 1/2 hiurs, with another 3 1/2 hours to go
I am getting punchy and silly
Anything I type for here on out should be taken with that in mind
That Is All!
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HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:36:25pm |
re: #214 SasquatchOnSteroids
Buzz, buzz, how can you not be down with Chief Boot Knocka ?
/
There is revenge in this world…I played rock and roll in my bedroom full blast..
Drove my folks insane…You raise 5 kids and can sing along with 50 cent you know it has comes full circle…Revenge of the kids…
There shoud be a law…*wink*
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The Shadow Do Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:36:35pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:37:23pm |
re: #231 sattv4u2
ANNOUNCMENT
I have now been at work for 32 1/2 of the last 56 1/2 hiurs, with another 3 1/2 hours to go
I am getting punchy and silly
Anything I type for here on out should be taken with that in mindThat Is All!
OH ,, and throw in 5 one hour trips to and back from work
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The Shadow Do Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:38:10pm |
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jcm Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:38:15pm |
re: #232 HoosierHoops
There is revenge in this world…I played rock and roll in my bedroom full blast..
Drove my folks insane…You raise 5 kids and can sing along with 50 cent you know it has comes full circle…Revenge of the kids…
There shoud be a law…*wink*
Interrogate the grandparents, I’ll bet they had something to do with it!
;-)
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:38:31pm |
re: #233 The Shadow Do
160 questions
1 ansear
And the answer is always, “You can’t be serious!”
/mcenroe
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:38:40pm |
re: #234 sattv4u2
OH ,, and throw in 5 one hour trips to and back from work
And it’s 32 degrees inside while 90 degrees outside. In Atlanta. In August.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:38:57pm |
re: #231 sattv4u2
32 1/2 hours straight, at work? I’m no expert, but you might get the job done faster if you quit screwing around on the interwebs. ;)
Just ribbin’ ya.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:39:04pm |
re: #238 Cannadian Club Akbar
And it’s 32 degrees inside while 90 degrees outside. In Atlanta. In August.
I have my fleece lined jacket on as we speak!
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:39:33pm |
re: #232 HoosierHoops
There is revenge in this world…I played rock and roll in my bedroom full blast..
Drove my folks insane…You raise 5 kids and can sing along with 50 cent you know it has comes full circle…Revenge of the kids…
There shoud be a law…*wink*
Don’t trust anyone over the age of 30.
/Heston in POTA
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:39:39pm |
re: #190 reine.de.tout
I heard something that said, if you sing the Happy Birthday song while you wash your hands with soap & hot water, you have washed them well enough to kill most viruses.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:40:18pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:41:34pm |
re: #240 sattv4u2
I have my fleece lined jacket on as we speak!
nahh ,, not straight
1 hour commute in Saturday morning
12 hours here
1 hour commute home
1 hour commute in Sunday morn
12 hours here
1 hour commute home
1 hour commute in this morning
here for 8 1/2 with another 3 /2 to go
1 hour commute home
1 hour commute in tomorrow morning
10 hours here
1 Body can be viewed at Murphys Funeral Home on Tuesday
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:42:06pm |
WORKING on a wood cut poster of the capital
looking to put a header on it
1, liers, crooks and scoundrals union local 1
or
2. den of thieves
or
3.Jerusalem was the jewish capital when Washington, d.c., London and Paris were swamps.
4. occupied native american land
any lizards have any ideas?
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:42:22pm |
re: #241 buzzsawmonkey
Now first I see that they were fresh peaches. Well, that’ll scan too—even if it means sacrificing the phonic similarity to the original song.
Your frame of reference makes mine look like a 3X5.
I’ll take your word for it.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:42:49pm |
re: #243 Floral Giraffe
I heard something that said, if you sing the Happy Birthday song while you wash your hands with soap & hot water, you have washed them well enough to kill most viruses.
I think CDC is recommending singing Happy Birthday twice, but not sure.
I was in a restroom the other day and a dad was teaching his young son how to wash his hands correctly, but they were using Camptown Races as the song.
Had that tune stuck in my head all the Do-Dah Day!
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:43:00pm |
re: #202 Killgore Trout
Crazy chicks are so hot…
Bachmann to host town hall with Rep. Ron Paul
Speaking of the Ron Paul - Glenn Beck - Alex Jones axis, I just went over to Alex Jones’ site. I was curious to see what he had to say about the new Swine Flu announcement, but I then was distracted by his story about the Lockerbie issue.
Here’s Jones story: All of the evidence against Al-Megrahi was fake. Actually, Pan Am Flight 103 was actually brought down by the CIA, and the Mossad helped them cover it up. You see, a CIA unit led by Oliver North had been flying heroin into the USA from Lebanon, on Pan Am flights. Then another team of CIA agents discovered this, and thought it was bad, so they decided to fly back to CIA headquarters and tell everyone. But the CIA didn’t want the word to get out and blow the cover on the heroin operation that they had with the Mossad. So they blew up the plane that the team was traveling on, which was Pan Am Flight 103, over Lockerbie. And therefore, the CIA was able to continue its international heroin smuggling ring, and it used the profits to commit the 9/11 attacks.
I’d like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that certain people around here are saying that Sarah Palin is “every bit as bad as Alex Jones.”
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:43:39pm |
re: #246 yochanan
WORKING on a wood cut poster of the capital
looking to put a header on it
1, liers, crooks and scoundrals union local 1
or
2. den of thieves
or
3.Jerusalem was the jewish capital when Washington, d.c., London and Paris were swamps.
4. occupied native american landany lizards have any ideas?
MY VOTE GOES TO ANYONE THAT PROMISES TO READ A DAMN BILL
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:45:08pm |
hOLDER
“Document release is in countries best interest”
Eric ,, WHOSE country are you talking about!?!?!?!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:45:41pm |
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yochanan Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:45:52pm |
I want to do one on Jerusalem and another one which i am up in the air with at this point i do like
READ THE DAMN BILL
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The Shadow Do Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:46:41pm |
re: #249 Last Mohican
Speaking of the Ron Paul - Glenn Beck - Alex Jones axis, I just went over to Alex Jones’ site. I was curious to see what he had to say about the new Swine Flu announcement, but I then was distracted by his story about the Lockerbie issue.
Here’s Jones story: All of the evidence against Al-Megrahi was fake. Actually, Pan Am Flight 103 was actually brought down by the CIA, and the Mossad helped them cover it up. You see, a CIA unit led by Oliver North had been flying heroin into the USA from Lebanon, on Pan Am flights. Then another team of CIA agents discovered this, and thought it was bad, so they decided to fly back to CIA headquarters and tell everyone. But the CIA didn’t want the word to get out and blow the cover on the heroin operation that they had with the Mossad. So they blew up the plane that the team was traveling on, which was Pan Am Flight 103, over Lockerbie. And therefore, the CIA was able to continue its international heroin smuggling ring, and it used the profits to commit the 9/11 attacks.
I’d like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that certain people around here are saying that Sarah Palin is “every bit as bad as Alex Jones.”
No way, she’s too stupid to ever come up with a story that good!
/a certain poster
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lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:51:03pm |
re: #249 Last Mohican
Wow. That Jones fella has every angle covered, eh? What an absolute tool.
That theory sounds like a Mad Lib that you can only fill in with conspiracy buzzwords.
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jcm Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:51:25pm |
re: #249 Last Mohican
Speaking of the Ron Paul - Glenn Beck - Alex Jones axis, I just went over to Alex Jones’ site. I was curious to see what he had to say about the new Swine Flu announcement, but I then was distracted by his story about the Lockerbie issue.
Here’s Jones story: All of the evidence against Al-Megrahi was fake. Actually, Pan Am Flight 103 was actually brought down by the CIA, and the Mossad helped them cover it up. You see, a CIA unit led by Oliver North had been flying heroin into the USA from Lebanon, on Pan Am flights. Then another team of CIA agents discovered this, and thought it was bad, so they decided to fly back to CIA headquarters and tell everyone. But the CIA didn’t want the word to get out and blow the cover on the heroin operation that they had with the Mossad. So they blew up the plane that the team was traveling on, which was Pan Am Flight 103, over Lockerbie. And therefore, the CIA was able to continue its international heroin smuggling ring, and it used the profits to commit the 9/11 attacks.
I’d like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that certain people around here are saying that Sarah Palin is “every bit as bad as Alex Jones.”
I lost 10 IQ points reading that, and another 10 just thinking about how nutz it is.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:51:52pm |
re: #249 Last Mohican
Here’s Jones story: All of the evidence against Al-Megrahi was fake. Actually, Pan Am Flight 103 was actually brought down by the CIA, and the Mossad helped them cover it up.
WHAT THE HELL?
From Wikipedia’s article on Pan Am Flight 103:
Dr Eckert told Scottish police that distinctive marks on Captain MacQuarrie’s thumb suggested he had been hanging onto the yoke of the plane as it descended, and may have been alive when the plane crashed.
The explosion blew the entire freaking nose off of a 747… it snapped around, collided with engine #3 as it fell 31,000 feet. A two minute free fall. And the whole way down, the Captain has his hands on the controls, he knows his plane is shattered and he’s probably going to die, but he’s trying everything he can think of, hoping that he can get some control back and maybe save some lives.
Alex Jones, do not shit on this man’s grave.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:54:21pm |
re: #243 Floral Giraffe
I heard something that said, if you sing the Happy Birthday song while you wash your hands with soap & hot water, you have washed them well enough to kill most viruses.
You aren’t going to believe this - the last year I worked, we had a “safety” meeting where hand-washing was the topic du jour - at the end, we established a “contest” to see who could come up with a hand-washing ditty to the tune of Happy Birthday - did not know it then, but we had a perfect buzzsawmonkey contest going!
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jcm Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:55:27pm |
re: #258 SteveC
WHAT THE HELL?
From Wikipedia’s article on Pan Am Flight 103:
Dr Eckert told Scottish police that distinctive marks on Captain MacQuarrie’s thumb suggested he had been hanging onto the yoke of the plane as it descended, and may have been alive when the plane crashed.
The explosion blew the entire freaking nose off of a 747… it snapped around, collided with engine #3 as it fell 31,000 feet. A two minute free fall. And the whole way down, the Captain has his hands on the controls, he knows his plane is shattered and he’s probably going to die, but he’s trying everything he can think of, hoping that he can get some control back and maybe save some lives.
Alex Jones, do not shit on this man’s grave.
Asses just shit, no control…
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:56:07pm |
re: #228 scottishbuzzsaw
Having a compromised immune system for the past four years, I can empathize. Stress makes is much worse for me, though, so I have to try to stay calm…{reine}.
Yes, thank you.
You are right.
Stay calm.
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debutaunt Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:20:24pm |
re: #128 Silvergirl
I have a vague memory of Quaalude being used as animal tranquilizers.
?
Most cats are on Quaaludes.
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Silvergirl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:36:28pm |
re: #262 debutaunt
Most cats are on Quaaludes.
Yeah, but they can turn on a dime. Next thing you know their eyes are blazing, their back is up, their claws are out. They’re suddenly meth heads.
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kiwiviv Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:24:13pm |
I have been gone a lot, and have had swine flu, so I have missed a bunch of this. Please tell me if my question/s have been posed already:
Why were you Democrats trying to get a bill on health care passed so quickly without ANY public debate?
Why do so many Democrats insist on demeaning those who ask questions? Why do you see those who ask questions as Nazis, un-American, astro turf, etc.?
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:27:54pm |
Health care reform will give Obama the campaign slogan he desires for 2012.
“Obama signed massive health care reform” oh hooray!
I wonder why most of the garbage in the the house bill doesn’t kick-in until 2013?
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Gretchen Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:03:41pm |
How to make a lefty’s head explode:
The Democrats now claim health care is a right, therefore taxpayers must pay for all citizens’ healthcare. No such explicit right is granted in the Constitution or the amendments. However, the second admendment grants the right to bear arms. Ask your lefty friends if a tax payer purchased gun should be provided to every American who can’t afford to purchase one. After all, don’t we all have the right to be safe, control our own safety (like bodies in the abortion debate) regardless of the ability to pay.
BTW - I’m not a gun owner or fan, but respect the right of American’s to own firearms.
Also note to Democrats - if you are unable to pass the healthcareless bill, it will be because your own people aren’t on board, you own the government. Stop claiming the Republicans are blocking this legislation. Put on your big-boy (girl) pants and deal with the fact you don’t have enough Democrat votes because your plan sucks (whatever the plan is) and Americans hate it and are sick of seeing you spend trillions with no idea where the money is going.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:46:43pm |
re: #170 yochanan
FRANKLY MY GIVE A DAMN IS BROKEN can this blog be a m.j. free zone.
Your Give a D@mn may be broken, but down dinging my mj posts is childish.
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sixoh1 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:48:39pm |
In section One of the questions - should we dare ask about what the reconciliation process will be? This is probably far more important than the texts of either the House or Senate bills, they can potentially take the worst of both worlds and throw out the unwanted GOP insertions during that process.
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sixoh1 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:58:20pm |
re: #200 Charles
I cannot honestly tell whether watching Beck’s meltdown lets us know the enemy, or simply makes one dumber? He used to occasionally make sense - at least as an antidote to Amy Goodman and the drum-beat of ‘Bush is Evil”, but now its like there is no escape, I can either listen to lunatic fringe NPR programming, or lunatic fringe Clear Channel (KVOR here in Colorado Springs).
I’ve taken to only listening to CDs now…
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BothAndWorld Tue, Aug 25, 2009 12:03:37am |
I’ll be curious to see if any of these excellent questions will be asked at John McCain’s Health-Care town hall tomorrow night. Thanks for the excellent compilation Keith!
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right_wing2 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:49:23am |
Question 1.2 (where can the text of the bill be found online)
America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)
[Link: thomas.loc.gov…]
Healthy Americans Act (Introduced in Senate) (S391)
[Link: thomas.loc.gov…]
Healthy American Act (Introduced in the House (HR1321)
[Link: thomas.loc.gov…]
United States National Health Care Act or the Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act (Introduced in House) (HR 676)
[Link: thomas.loc.gov…]
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Mr. Hamlet Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:36:27am |
I noticed in the list of questions the following:
Question 1.2: “Where can the text of this bill be found online?”
Well here is one of many that I have been sent by my representatives:
[Link: docs.house.gov…]
Cheers!
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neoconundrum Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:40:55am |
The first green “answer”, question 2.3 links to a section in the bill that outlaws funding for illegal aliens.
Apparently there is a loophole: it won’t be enforced. The GOP tried to close the loophole, but the DEMs refused.
Read the following:
[Link: townhall.com…]
Please change the answer to read TRUE
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Mr. Hamlet Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:36:43am |
re: #274 neoconundrum
I have been looking into that myself. True that there is no enfourcement or penalty provision. There will be tons of paperwork that the healthcare provider will be required to supply for payment & reimbursement including proof of services rendered, and proof of citizenship/qualification of the patient.
What would likely end up happening is that the hospital or Doctor would end up eating the cost by not getting reimbursed. So I am not convinced that this is something to be worried about. What worries me is that it will be harder for healthcare providers to get paid at all! Burden of proof is on them. Now there is an area to be concerned about.
In regards to illegal aliens, Page 143, section 246, lines 3 through 7 specifically state that there will be no Federal Payments for affordability credits for individuals who are not lawfully present in the U.S. A lot of things can happen here. States can pick up the tabs, individual status can easily be changed from unlawful to “pending” or some other new invented status in order to cover illegal aliens. But that is speculation at best.
The non-dsicrimination provisions in the bill could possibily superceded section 246. I am currently working through that to see if there really is a loophole.
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Immolate Fri, Aug 28, 2009 11:05:52am |
I read to the first answered question, 2.3. I thought the questions were good ones by the way. I got to 2.3 and read the answer, and realized that the intent was to answer these questions uncritically. Now that is a pretty serious charge, but consider what we know: The legislation does not use language routinely included in entitlement legislation to exclude illegals or those unqualified for the benefit from using it. We also know that multiple attempts to include language of this type were defeated.
Now I’m no conspiracy theorist, but if someone at the table says “hey, we should include this boiler-plate exclusionary language to ensure that illegals and ineligibles aren’t covered”, I would assume the response would be “sure”. If the suggestion were slanted and partisan in its form, the natural reaction would be to disagree but then include the standard version. We know how governments deal with power folks. Even if everyone in the legislation has no intention of seeing abuse and misuse occur, it will occur, and to the absolute extent that any bill enables it. We know this. To assume that, because the language is innocent on its face, that horses will not exit the barn door it leaves open is to be intentionally obtuse.
Of course, this is all before congress’s own reality detectives drew up their report and called BS on the no-illegal-coverage meme. Now it’s a transparent figleaf. If you go back and change that answer and consider the possibility that factcheck.org is no substitute for critical analysis in the future, your list will be better. But you already knew that, and chose to ignore it, which tells me all I need to know about the list. Good luck.
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auldtrafford Fri, Aug 28, 2009 1:33:16pm |
Haven’t read everything, but did scan through the main post and didn’t see this:
Section 6: Consequences related to government involvement, bureaucracy, and red tape
How many distinct Boards (review boards, review panels, policy groups, etc.) are created by the Act, and how are they co-ordinated so as to avoid duplication, conflict, etc.?
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