More Advertisers Drop Beck

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Sixteen more companies have decided to pull their advertising from the Glenn Beck Comedy Hour, bringing the total to 36.

The new companies distancing themselves from Beck include Airware Inc. (makers of Brez anti-snoring aids), Ancestry.com, AT&T, Blaine Labs Inc., Campbell Soup Company, Clorox, Ditech, The Elations Company, Experian (creator of FreeCreditReport.com), Farmers Insurance Group, Johnson & Johnson (makers of Tylenol), Lowe’s, NutriSystem, Sprint, The UPS Store and Verizon Wireless.

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726 comments
1 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:25:15am

Oh man, I was hoping you'd re-post the idiot picture (even a cropped version).

2 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:25:17am

George Bush hates black people.

Kanye West on national television.

*crickets*

3 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:25:37am
4 Noam Chumpski  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:26:43am

Per Fox, they are just spreading the ads around for marketing protection. Beck will still get paid. The Ads will still run. Boycotts are the tools of fools.

I thought that he had a good piece on Jones recently (Green Czar). I'll give him credit for that.

5 MikeAlv77  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:27:01am

re: #2 Ben Hur

George Bush hates black people.

Kanye West on national television.

*crickets*

selective memory... must be nice to have that.

6 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:27:11am

My MiL is in town, so I had to watch part of Hannity, and then part of Greta's show last night. AAARRGGGHHH!

7 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:28:38am

I wonder what the tipping point will be before Beck is told to take a hike?

8 Sloppy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:29:02am

I admit I was wrong about Beck. A few weeks ago I predicted he would be off the air by now. Allow me to stretch the timeline a little. Let's call it Thanksgiving.

9 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:29:07am

Soon the only advertisers for his program will be "Mom's White Teeth Secret" and "Make $697,000 a month working from home"

10 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:29:47am

Well this is certainly the right thing to do, I think. But I wonder what the outcome will be? Will a Fox News executive sit Beck down and tell him to start acting normal, or he's fired? I doubt it. The "raving lunatic" schtick gets him great ratings. I would think that, as long as somebody is willing to buy ad time, Beck will just take this as an opportunity to get crazier, and rant about how "the man" is trying to censor him.

11 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:30:11am

He had sixteen sponsors???

I think FNS must sell ads like Google, you just buy placement by demographics and none of the companies ever asked to sponsor Beck's show specifically, but now they HAVE asked specifically NOT to sponsor it.

But, I cannot watch FNS, too many ads on all shows.

And nothing worth watching between the ads, anyway.

12 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:31:05am

So one of Obama's Marxist czars goes after Fox and this is supposed to be a good thing?

Just imagine if the Bush WH went after MSNBC and CNN. Then again, do those stations have any sponsors?

Beck might be weird but this boycott business is a waste of time.

13 Dahveed  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:31:12am

At some point Fox News will consider Beck and his show a cost center rather than a profit center. When they realize this, they'll get this bozo off the air. And I will not be disappointed.

14 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:31:27am

LOL! The InfoLink at anti-snoring "aids" is for AutoCad!
That's what I call graphic advertising!
But is it intelligently designed?

/yeah, I know ... I'm a CAD for going OT too early

16 Sloppy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:32:55am

He gives us recovering alcoholics a bad name.

17 SurferDoc  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:33:17am

re: #7 BlueCanuck

I wonder what the tipping point will be before Beck is told to take a hike?

Low ratings. As long as he puts asses in seats he has a job.

18 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:33:34am

re: #15 Ben Hur

CNBC's Cramer on Glenn Beck Advertisers: 'I Think They All Come Back in the End'

Yeah, and as we all know, Jim Cramer's talent for making accurate predictions is legendary.

cough

19 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:33:51am

I'm very happy that my company has stopped ads with the nuthouse, I wonder how long it will take the new Napolitano show to get the same response?

21 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:34:26am

re: #18 Charles

Yeah, and as we all know, Jim Cramer's talent for making accurate predictions is legendary.

cough

Haha!

Just posted that for informational purposes.

Next time look to the left first!

22 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:34:48am

re: #18 Charles

Yeah, and as we all know, Jim Cramer's talent for making accurate predictions is legendary.

cough

:D ... innovative sarc tag!

23 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:35:53am

Unfortunately, it appears that most advertizers are not stopping their support of FOX News as per the quote from the LA Times below:

While the advertising boycott has generated substantial media coverage, Fox News said it has not impacted the network’s revenues or Beck’s audience. "The advertisers referenced have all moved their spots from Beck to other programs on the network so there has been no revenue lost," a spokeswoman said.

LA Times Beck Story

Seems like an empty boycott to me. They should be pulling their adds from the network and causing them some financial harm.

24 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:36:15am

re: #10 Last Mohican
Yep, won't be long until he cries "Censorship" although I have to admit to feeling strange being on the same
side of the street (albeit for better reasons by far) as Al "Boycott 'em" Sharpton.
And I guess someone ought to tell Beck he can't have it both ways: he's an entertainer? Sponsor's rule.
He's a pundit and Obama leans on Fox - oh yes he has - violation of First Amendment, not really.
But the reality is that he's just not a very entertaining entertainer, he's certainly no pundit and Obama is leaning on Fox for a lot bigger reason than Glenn Beck.

25 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:36:44am

What about Olby?

26 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:37:12am

re: #6 Ward Cleaver

My MiL is in town, so I had to watch part of Hannity, and then part of Greta's show last night. AAARRGGGHHH!

Sorry.

I married into a family of (mostly) anti-idiotarians.

27 VioletTiger  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:37:42am

re: #23 Jetpilot1101

Unfortunately, it appears that most advertizers are not stopping their support of FOX News as per the quote from the LA Times below:


LA Times Beck Story

Seems like an empty boycott to me. They should be pulling their adds from the network and causing them some financial harm.

They won't.
Fox ratings are way up.

28 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:37:42am
29 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:38:05am

OT
I got this email. Thought it was good. Wanted to share. Funny if not truly from a real college student.

The following is an actual question given on a University ofWashingtonchemistry mid term.
The answer by one student was so 'profound' that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well :

Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.

One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today.

Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.

This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, 'It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,' and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct...leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting 'Oh my God.'


THIS STUDENT RECEIVED AN A+.

30 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:38:09am

re: #11 itellu3times

He had sixteen sponsors???

I think FNS must sell ads like Google, you just buy placement by demographics and none of the companies ever asked to sponsor Beck's show specifically, but now they HAVE asked specifically NOT to sponsor it.

But, I cannot watch FNS, too many ads on all shows.

And nothing worth watching between the ads, anyway.

I don't watch TV period, because of all the frelling ads.

31 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:38:11am

re: #15 Ben Hur

CNBC's Cramer on Glenn Beck Advertisers: 'I Think They All Come Back in the End'

Preparation H?

32 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:38:14am

re: #17 SurferDoc

Low ratings. As long as he puts asses in seats he has a job.

True. And he can use the boycott to boost his cause.

As Killgore mentioned the other day, sleazy opportunistic DJs have been wallowing in this mud puddle for decades.

33 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:38:24am

re: #23 Jetpilot1101

The Fox statement about moving the ads to other shows is actually quite old -- they issued it last week.

If anyone thinks that 36 advertisers dropping one specific show for a specific reason isn't bothering Fox News, you're dreaming. That's a lot of advertisers making a negative statement about Glenn Beck, and I guarantee the suits at Fox are hearing it.

34 cybermonk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:38:25am

Ok everyone, lets cheer george soros and his attempt at censorship. Lets get that radical Beck and teach him a lesson. I guess the TV is really hitting a nerve exposing the communist czar Jones, and the former weatherman, we can't have these cockroaches exposed to the light, now can we?
How long before the messiah sets his sites on LGF? Who will stand for you then? Look at the racists who surround Obama, thats ok? But Beck brings them to the worlds attention and you cheer for Soros and his stooges?
Shame on you all.

35 Jantjepietje  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:38:28am

re: #18 Charles

Now you're just being mean, his stock predictions are correct 41% of the time!

36 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:39:17am

re: #26 JamesTKirk

Sorry.

I married into a family of (mostly) anti-idiotarians.

FNC's just gone so over the top.

37 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:39:24am

re: #2 Ben Hur

Mel Gibson:

F***g Jews! The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world! Are you a Jew?

Gibson suffered a small dip in public esteem for a week or so after making this comment, before returning to his extremely profitable filmmaking career.

38 StillAMarine  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:39:37am

My wife claims that some of the things GB says make sense. My comment was that even a stopped clock is correct twice a day, and close to being correct for about 5 minutes a day. The GB Ron Paulian Comedy Hour is doing incalculable damage to the Conservative movement, along with the birthers, creationists, and other nuts.

39 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:39:51am

re: #29 kansas

Welcome to usenet, circa 1988.

40 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:39:55am

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

Beck is a knitwit; Olby darned.

You need a sock, for posting things like that.

41 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:40:39am

re: #34 cybermonk

First they came for the raving lunatics, and I did not say anything, because I was not a raving lunatic...

42 drogheda  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:40:42am

re: #13 Dahveed

At some point Fox News will consider Beck and his show a cost center rather than a profit center.

Exactly.

When they realize this, they'll get this bozo off the air.

Hopefully.

And I will not be disappointed.

You won't be alone in that.

43 walksatnight  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:41:26am

Pretty bad when the FreeCreditReport.com group dumps you.

44 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:41:30am

re: #39 JamesTKirk

Welcome to usenet, circa 1988.

Seriously, it's been around that long? Sorry. I never heard it.

45 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:41:46am

Glenn Beck is an irrelevant fool. Don't we have anything more important to discuss? Like...

The wars in Iraq & Afghanistan?
North Korean nuclear program?
Iran's nuclear program?
Prosecuting the CIA?
Medicare reform?
The economy?

Anything?

46 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:42:26am

re: #34 cybermonk
It ISN'T CENSORSHIP. Only the Government is prohibited from Censoring anyone's right to free speech.
I would like to see a boycott of Olbermann's shows though - just to get another -and I think somewhat more dangerous - nutter off the air.

47 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:42:37am

re: #37 Last Mohican

Mel Gibson:

Gibson suffered a small dip in public esteem for a week or so after making this comment, before returning to his extremely profitable filmmaking career.

Yeah, but that's, you know, Mel effen Gibson.

48 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:43:15am

The problem isn't Beck himself but the fact that he's so popular. Last I checked he had the 3rd highest rated show on cable news. He's a symptom of a much larger problem. I would prefer that FOX cancel his show because he's a nut spewing dangerous rhetoric not because of an advertiser boycott from leftists.
My concern is that this is only going to feed right wing paranoia and delusions of victimization.

49 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:43:52am

re: #43 walksatnight

Pretty bad when the FreeCreditReport.com group dumps you.

Well, that ones in my head for 2 hrs. Thanks.

//

50 cybermonk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:44:11am

re: #41 Last Mohican
Beck is not a raving lunatic. He has done some serious exposes and this week is a prime example, he is exposing the rotten underbelly of Obama and Soros, and that takes courage. He has to be a little crazy, taking on the Chicago Thugs is not the safe thing to do.

51 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:44:13am

re: #41 Last Mohican

First they came for the raving lunatics, and I did not say anything, because I was not a raving lunatic...

You're not?

"We're all mad here. ... You wouldn't be here if you weren't mad."
-The Cheshire Cat

52 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:44:24am

Prosecuting the CIA
Eric Holder unleashes a special counsel on U.S. war fighters.

By threatening to prosecute CIA officials, the Obama Administration is taking ownership of future troubles in a way that will only do itself harm. Like the Church and Pike probes of the 1970s, Americans will once again see that the Democratic Party cares as much or more about settling scores against fellow Americans as it does about fighting the war on terror. Mr. Holder yesterday acknowledged that his decision to reopen the old CIA wounds would be "controversial." He will soon learn how much.

53 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:44:35am

re: #43 walksatnight

Pretty bad when the FreeCreditReport.com group dumps you.

Free Credit Report isn't Free. If I had a show I would dump them.

54 Noam Chumpski  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:44:46am

re: #33 Charles

The Fox statement about moving the ads to other shows is actually quite old -- they issued it last week.

If anyone thinks that 36 advertisers dropping one specific show for a specific reason isn't bothering Fox News, you're dreaming. That's a lot of advertisers making a negative statement about Glenn Beck, and I guarantee the suits at Fox are hearing it.

Sorry, but you're not thinking like a Fox Ad Exec.

This is a pass fake to quiet the senseless boycotters. In 6 months it will be old news and the ads will run on Beck's show again.

This isn't the first boycott of a Fox News host, you know? And this is SOP. same as CNN, MSNBC, et al. This isn't new or creative.

55 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:45:30am

re: #43 walksatnight

Pretty bad when the FreeCreditReport.com group dumps you.

Have you ever woke up in the morning with that stupid ass song in your head?
Usually banging your head on the bathroom sink in the morning takes care of it...But not always

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:45:38am

re: #31 Ward Cleaver

Preparation H?

Perhaps it means the enema will be Fleeting.

57 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:45:44am

re: #34 cybermonk

Ok everyone, lets cheer george soros and his attempt at censorship. Lets get that radical Beck and teach him a lesson. I guess the TV is really hitting a nerve exposing the communist czar Jones, and the former weatherman, we can't have these cockroaches exposed to the light, now can we?
How long before the messiah sets his sites on LGF? Who will stand for you then? Look at the racists who surround Obama, thats ok? But Beck brings them to the worlds attention and you cheer for Soros and his stooges?
Shame on you all.

It's the messenger.

58 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:45:53am

re: #33 Charles

The Fox statement about moving the ads to other shows is actually quite old -- they issued it last week.

If anyone thinks that 36 advertisers dropping one specific show for a specific reason isn't bothering Fox News, you're dreaming. That's a lot of advertisers making a negative statement about Glenn Beck, and I guarantee the suits at Fox are hearing it.

Charles, I do have to agree with you on that. I just wish that the advertizers would tell FOX News to stick Beck where the sun don't shine and pull their support from the entire network. Personally, I hope they can Beck but if is ratings are to be believed, it looks like they are going to run with the crazy pony.

59 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:46:06am

re: #35 Jantjepietje

Now you're just being mean, his stock predictions are correct 41% of the time!

Meaning you are better off playing the "don't pass" line at any craps table than listening to him...

60 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:46:09am

re: #30 JamesTKirk

I don't watch TV period, because of all the frelling ads.

Actually, the Hannity radio show is almost as bad.

Limbaugh has about half the ad time, I think.

61 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:46:23am

re: #56 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Perhaps it means the enema will be Fleeting.

With friends like this who needs enemas?
Barney Frank

62 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:46:48am

re: #48 Killgore Trout

The problem isn't Beck himself but the fact that he's so popular. Last I checked he had the 3rd highest rated show on cable news. He's a symptom of a much larger problem. I would prefer that FOX cancel his show because he's a nut spewing dangerous rhetoric not because of an advertiser boycott from leftists.
My concern is that this is only going to feed right wing paranoia and delusions of victimization.

I brought you a gift.

L'Chaim!

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:46:57am

re: #50 cybermonk

Beck is not a raving lunatic. He has done some serious exposes and this week is a prime example, he is exposing the rotten underbelly of Obama and Soros, and that takes courage. He has to be a little crazy, taking on the Chicago Thugs is not the safe thing to do.

Right. Something terrible could happen to Glenn Beck because of his hard-hitting journalism. He could end up like Anna Polikovskaya.

And da boys from Chicago could spot him a mile away in that dumbass uniform.

//

64 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:47:25am

re: #55 HoosierHoops

Have you ever woke up in the morning with that stupid ass song in your head?

Nope. See #30.

65 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:47:37am
66 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:48:10am

re: #58 Jetpilot1101

Charles, I do have to agree with you on that. I just wish that the advertizers would tell FOX News to stick Beck where the sun don't shine and pull their support from the entire network. Personally, I hope they can Beck but if is ratings are to be believed, it looks like they are going to run with the crazy pony.

I just wish that Obama could shut the whole network down.
/

67 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:48:12am

re: #48 Killgore Trout

The problem isn't Beck himself but the fact that he's so popular. Last I checked he had the 3rd highest rated show on cable news. He's a symptom of a much larger problem. I would prefer that FOX cancel his show because he's a nut spewing dangerous rhetoric not because of an advertiser boycott from leftists.
My concern is that this is only going to feed right wing paranoia and delusions of victimization.

Precisely.

68 cybermonk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:48:15am

re: #57 Ben Hur

so what does that mean, "it's the messanger"? Beck is performing a valuable service exposing the agenda of Soros and his organizations. who will try to close internet sites, radio, tv and whatever they can to prevent people finding out who Obamas advisors and collaborators are. are you against that?

69 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:48:54am

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Do you suspect that some people are tuning in just to see what crazy thing he'll run with next in a sick but fascinated way like people craning their necks as they pass a car wreck?

70 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:49:05am

re: #35 Jantjepietje

Now you're just being mean, his stock predictions are correct 41% of the time!

I had this great idea to buy Dow Chemical at 15 when it had crashed from 50. So I eventually accumulated 1000 shares. I was watching Cramer and he was adamant that Dow was in the dumper and get out get out. I got out at 11, loosing about a grand. It's over 20 now. Thanks Jim.

71 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:49:10am

re: #34 cybermonk

How long before the messiah sets his sites on LGF? Who will stand for you then?

Well, it certainly won't be Glenn Beck standing for LGF. He's already viciously attacked me on his TV show, by name.

Glenn Beck is a punk and a jackass.

72 avanti  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:49:14am

re: #45 Kenneth

Glenn Beck is an irrelevant fool. Don't we have anything more important to discuss? Like...

The wars in Iraq & Afghanistan?
North Korean nuclear program?
Iran's nuclear program?
Prosecuting the CIA?
Medicare reform?
The economy?

Anything?

Folks like Beck, steer the conservatives away from real issues like you listed, and just fire them up over mostly BS issues and the real issues are ignored.

73 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:49:46am

re: #60 itellu3times

Actually, the Hannity radio show is almost as bad.

Limbaugh has about half the ad time, I think.

Not even sure when he's on or what station.

Many years back, I used to listen to him in the car sometimes during the day, when I had to drive back and forth from the office to the clients; but I have no idea if he's on during my commute.

74 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:49:58am

re: #68 cybermonk

so what does that mean, "it's the messanger"? Beck is performing a valuable service exposing the agenda of Soros and his organizations. who will try to close internet sites, radio, tv and whatever they can to prevent people finding out who Obamas advisors and collaborators are. are you against that?

He acts like a buffoon.

I've written this a few times. I've watched him once or twice. The topics he covers are topics that interest me - he essentially brings the conservative blogosphere to television.

But to me, he acts like a buffoon, and I can't watch.

It's unfortunate.

75 cybermonk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:49:59am

re: #71 Charles

ad hominum attacks are benath you Charles, or at least they should be.

76 researchok  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:50:06am

There are a lot of apocryphal stories about ships sinking because they were overloaded with gold.

FOX News may be raking in the dollars now, but promoting tools like Beck and Hannity will hurt them badly in the end.

77 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:50:17am

re: #64 JamesTKirk

Nope. See #30.

LOL
I watch all sports...There is always a TV somewhere on in the house with a Game or ESPN at all times...

78 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:50:29am

re: #61 kansas

With friends like this who needs enemas?
Barney Frank

Careful. I'm in this thread. Don't get me started with the bad jokes; Mandy's not here to keep me under control.

79 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:50:29am

re: #50 cybermonk

Beck is not a raving lunatic. He has done some serious exposes and this week is a prime example, he is exposing the rotten underbelly of Obama and Soros, and that takes courage. He has to be a little crazy, taking on the Chicago Thugs is not the safe thing to do.

Exposing the rotten underbelly of Obama and Soros is a great thing to do. But when it's presented right after a hard-hitting exposé about how the cars.gov web site is a secret government plan to literally take possession of everything you own, that kind of diminishes the credibility of the whole project, and damages anyone's opportunity to speak critically about Obama and Soros in the future.

80 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:51:00am

re: #72 avanti

Folks like Beck, steer the conservatives away from real issues like you listed, and just fire them up over mostly BS issues and the real issues are ignored.

That's why I can't understand why the progressives are so intent on shutting him down. One (or The One) would think that he's a wonderful thorn in the side of the conservatives.

This boycott doesn't make sense. Makes me wonder?

81 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:51:03am

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

I just wish that Obama could shut the whole network down.
/

Give him time, give him time.

No /

82 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:51:21am

What's our current average on meltdowns per Glenn Beck thread?

83 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:51:30am

re: #72 avanti

I agree. My call to discuss more serious issues was directed to everybody, not just LGF.

84 cronus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:51:37am

But are these advertisers moving away from conservative personalities en masse or just Beck in particular? Despite the headlines that they receive, boycotts are rarely effective. This one does appear to have legs but my guess is that it really is focused on peculiarities of Beck himself.

It is very hard to pry advertisers away from the number of eyeballs a program like Beck's generates. I think they are generally worried that a guy who seems to be hanging on by a string psychologically could be close to veering off on something that really offends most decent people and they will get caught up in the bad publicity.

85 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:51:44am

I see a meltdown in progress. Heating up the grill now.

86 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:51:46am

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

A man's garter do what a man's garter do.

*groans, runs to bathroom, flings self at toilet*

87 avanti  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:51:53am

re: #50 cybermonk

Beck is not a raving lunatic. He has done some serious exposes and this week is a prime example, he is exposing the rotten underbelly of Obama and Soros, and that takes courage. He has to be a little crazy, taking on the Chicago Thugs is not the safe thing to do.

Beck is perfectly safe, he should be getting a check from the administration, with a bonus for every Nazi or racist message.

88 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:52:19am

re: #43 walksatnight

Pretty bad when the FreeCreditReport.com group dumps you.

Especially since they are sleazy and hide the actual free credit report.

Besides, the ads are stupid. Watching your credit report only protects you against fraud, not stupidity, and the ads usually show someone who doesn't appear to realize that the way to have a good credit report is to actually pay your bills on time.

89 cybermonk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:52:21am

re: #79 Last Mohican

I don't see a long line of journalists investigating these shadowy people advising Obama? If he is the only one with the guts to expose these people, you should be glad he is doing it, instead of excoriating him like you are doing.

90 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:52:23am

Mark Levin would clean house.

91 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:53:06am

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

A man's garter do what a man's garter do.

You need a good belt for posting that.

92 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:53:06am

re: #75 cybermonk

ad hominum attacks are benath you Charles, or at least they should be.

I've never thought that ad hominem attacks should take the place of reasoned arguments.

However, I have no problems with using ad hominem attacks in conjunction with reasoned arguments.

93 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:53:10am

To expose someone you need credibility first, apocalyptic predictions and FEMA death camps don't gain you that.

94 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:53:29am

re: #62 Ben Hur

I brought you a gift.

L'Chaim!

Heh.

95 hanoch  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:53:37am

The double standards applied to the left and the right are unbelievable.

Whatever the merits of Beck's comments, I recall a "news" broadcaster on a major television network insisting that the people engaging in the so-called "tea parties" were really motivated by racism against a black president. I do not recall any calls for advertiser boycotts. In fact, I heard very little reaction at all to those comments.

Similarly, you get some misguided woman, evidently on the political right, making a reference to the Nazi policies during a town hall meeting and it is all over the news. But what about the 8 years of similarly ridiculous references emanating incessantly from those on the left with regard to the Bush Administration with nary a peep from the media?

96 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:53:38am

re: #85 Alouette

I see a meltdown in progress. Heating up the grill now.

I hope it's lean meat today...
/It's always nice seeing you Alouette

97 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:53:46am
98 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:54:12am

re: #75 cybermonk

ad hominum attacks are benath you Charles, or at least they should be.

Is it an ad hominem attack if it's true?

99 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:54:16am

re: #93 Thanos

To expose someone you need credibility first, apocalyptic predictions and FEMA death camps don't gain you that.

I know. Look how credible that National Inquirer and Edwards thing was?

100 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:54:20am

re: #52 Kenneth
Also, from your link:

All of this will further demoralize a CIA that has already been stigmatized by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats as an agency populated by rogues who lied to Congress. This is the same agency that Mr. Obama and all Americans are counting on wage a war against al Qaeda and deter future terrorist attacks. The message that Mr. Holder's criminal probe will send to thousands of men and women is that they had better not do anything remotely controversial on behalf of American safety, even with a lawyer's permission. This war against our own war fighters comes just as President Obama's counterterror escalation in Afghanistan is getting more difficult.

[emphasis added, realwest]
What many Dems - especially, apparently Holder, seem to have forgotten is that the appropriate members of Congress knew about all of this shit approved it (or at least didn't voice disapproval of it), INCLUDING the then Minority Leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and the Minority Leaders in the House (can you say "Pelosi" again? I knew you could!).

101 cybermonk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:54:26am

re: #92 JamesTKirk

well, "reasoned" is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?

102 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:54:49am

re: #77 HoosierHoops

LOL
I watch all sports...There is always a TV somewhere on in the house with a Game or ESPN at all times...

Never really got into sports, apart from occasionally going to a game in person. I was at the exhibition game where the Cuban team kicked the Baltimore Orioles' asses, and Clinton's goons were there to make sure none of the Cuban team had a opportunity to escape and defect, in violation of law.

103 cybermonk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:54:58am

re: #98 kansas

Is it an ad hominem attack if it's true?


thats a subjective assesment isn't it?

104 jantjepietje  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:54:58am

re: #59 Thanos

Yeah I was trying to be sarcastic

105 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:55:07am

If Fox really wanted to expose the left they would put a hard hitting investigative journalist on in that half hour, not a clown.

106 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:55:09am

re: #97 Noam Chumpski

Oh, just bite me.

107 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:55:43am

re: #86 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*groans, runs to bathroom, flings self at toilet*

Are you OK? You look a little flushed.

108 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:55:57am

re: #104 jantjepietje

Yeah I was trying to be sarcastic

I know, I thought it was cool that you had the percent

109 Danny  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:56:08am

::eating popcorn::

110 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:56:35am

re: #100 realwest

This is red meat for his base and a distraction from his stumbling legislative agenda. Unfortunately, the cost will include the blood of Americans.

111 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:56:58am

re: #69 Thanos

Do you suspect that some people are tuning in just to see what crazy thing he'll run with next in a sick but fascinated way like people craning their necks as they pass a car wreck?

I'm sure some people tune in for the freakshow but the right is very suseptable to conspiracy theories these days; FEMA Camps, DHS memo, New World Order, Death panels, Swine Flu, etc. Beck serves this stuff up on a daily basis. Most of his viewers believe what he says.

112 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:57:06am

re: #98 kansas

Is it an ad hominem attack if it's true?

Actually, yes; because you're still addressing the person rather than the issue. The messenger rather than the message.

113 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:57:12am
114 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:57:16am

Another melty over Beck.

115 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:57:17am

re: #89 cybermonk

I don't see a long line of journalists investigating these shadowy people advising Obama? If he is the only one with the guts to expose these people, you should be glad he is doing it, instead of excoriating him like you are doing.

In my view, the fact that it is Beck negates any credibility to any expose he would do. I wish he would go away. He and Hannity crying wolf for 3 hours a day are part of the reason we have a novice in the White House.

116 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:57:43am

re: #107 JamesTKirk

Are you OK? You look a little flushed.

Actually, something good came out of that little episode.

117 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:58:47am

re: #95 hanoch
"I recall a "news" broadcaster on a major television network insisting that the people engaging in the so-called "tea parties" were really motivated by racism against a black president."
And the name of that "news" broadcaster is___?

118 avanti  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:58:47am

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

That's why I can't understand why the progressives are so intent on shutting him down. One (or The One) would think that he's a wonderful thorn in the side of the conservatives.

This boycott doesn't make sense. Makes me wonder?

Walter, I'd guess it a tough call for the left. On one hand, they may think Beck will turn off all but the loony right, but than again, they may fear more loony right growth.
No question the right has managed to derail a lot of liberal causes with some of the Beck style fear mongering and even a moderate on the right might cheer the result, if not the method.

119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:59:13am

re: #18 Charles

You have a real talent for sarcasm.

120 cronus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:59:52am

re: #100 realwest

Also, from your link:

[emphasis added, realwest]
What many Dems - especially, apparently Holder, seem to have forgotten is that the appropriate members of Congress knew about all of this shit approved it (or at least didn't voice disapproval of it), INCLUDING the then Minority Leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and the Minority Leaders in the House (can you say "Pelosi" again? I knew you could!).

This is Gitmo closing redux. Just another chance for the WH to get its lunch handed to it by Cheney and others. Just wait for the polling on this specific issue and how upside down the WH will be shown to be in comparison to the general public.

121 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:59:52am

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You have a real talent for sarcasm.

You forgot your tag.

122 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:00:00am

re: #75 cybermonk

ad hominum attacks are benath you Charles, or at least they should be.

Glenn Beck is also a racist kook who promotes the John Birch Society, Ron Paul, End Times nonsense, creationism, and a host of other garbage ideas that are doing enormous damage to the conservative movement.

In addition to being a punk and a jackass.

123 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:00:16am

Get it?

THAT was sarcasm!

124 cybermonk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:00:20am

re: #115 kansas

In my view, the fact that it is Beck negates any credibility to any expose he would do. I wish he would go away. He and Hannity crying wolf for 3 hours a day are part of the reason we have a novice in the White House.

we have a novice in the white house because our candidate for president did not have to balls to expose Obama for what he was. Moderates departed from the Republican party in droves looking for change, this is what they got.
Beck is a gadfly but he is as important as a warning to the rest of us. We may not ignore his warning but at our own peril.

125 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:00:28am

re: #117 realwest

"I recall a "news" broadcaster on a major television network insisting that the people engaging in the so-called "tea parties" were really motivated by racism against a black president."
And the name of that "news" broadcaster is___?

Hey, look, it's the Goodyear blimp !

126 Danny  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:00:30am

re: #122 Charles

LOL

127 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:00:50am

Alex Jones: Fall of the Republic: The Presidency of Barack Obama

Youtube Video

Notice that most of these clips are from FOX.

128 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:00:51am

re: #103 cybermonk

thats a subjective assesment isn't it?

Punk

Today's first meaning of punk, a small-time hoodlum, developed in the period between the World Wars. And in the late 1970s punk came to designate bizarre clothing and body decorations associated with loud and aggressive rock music. To the general public, it still has an unpleasant taste.

Jackass

A foolish or stupid person; a blockhead: “You've acted like an irrational jackass and it's time you stopped” (Margaret Truman).

I report, you decide. Seems accurate. Truth, on the other hand is so elusive.

129 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:00:59am

re: #124 cybermonk

we have a novice in the white house because our candidate for president did not have to balls to expose Obama for what he was.

I don't recall that I had a candidate for president.

130 cybermonk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:01:32am

re: #122 Charles

Glenn Beck is also a racist kook who promotes the John Birch Society, Ron Paul, End Times nonsense, creationism, and a host of other garbage ideas that are doing enormous damage to the conservative movement.

In addition to being a punk and a jackass.

Keep it classy Charles.

131 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:01:43am

Right-wing Becklash

It’s not just liberals who are scared to death by Glenn Beck. Prominent conservative pundits are speaking out, denouncing his hysterics before he sinks the entire movement.

It seems Glenn Beck is the man of the hour, with gushing profiles in The New York Times, exploding ratings, and the rapt attention of left and right alike. Yet Fox News and Beck's appeals to its more militant and conspiracy-minded elements are creating a backlash among a surprising group: the right.

Take Charles Johnson, a jazz musician and software programmer who is best known for his Web site, Little Green Footballs. Although an independent himself, for years Johnson's LGF has been one of the most popular blogs on the right, focusing mostly on national-security issues and the war on terror. It's also been a magnet for criticism from the left and even denounced by some as a "hate site" for its strident criticism of radical Islam.

"They've taken a real turn to the hard right, and Glenn Beck, I think, is kind of riding that wave," said blogger Charles Johnson. "I don't know if he's necessarily going to incite violence, but I do think it's irresponsible.”

Read the article for the whole story.

132 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:02:02am

I ideas to why I can't play embedded vids on my firefox browser?

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:02:33am

re: #75 cybermonk

I used to be a big Beck fan. He joined Fox and (or got permission to) lose his freaking mind! You haven't noticed it?

Charles Johnson is right!
-Blazing Saddles

134 albusteve  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:02:33am

re: #124 cybermonk

we have a novice in the white house because our candidate for president did not have to balls to expose Obama for what he was. Moderates departed from the Republican party in droves looking for change, this is what they got.
Beck is a gadfly but he is as important as a warning to the rest of us. We may not ignore his warning but at our own peril.

good grief...at our own peril?...Beck the High Messenger?...that's frightening

135 J.S.  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:02:40am

re: #113 buzzsawmonkey

I just read a column in the National Post about the Irish (they're well known for their extreme Left-wing positions) now bringing back Blasphemy laws...(as a "crime.") This reminds me so much of the HRCs (Human "rights" commissions here in Canada). It's almost funny...then, again, not really...

136 cybermonk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:02:46am

re: #129 JamesTKirk

I don't recall that I had a candidate for president.

as I remember, if you didn't want to vote for Obama all you had to choose from was McCain, am I mistaken? He sucked the least.

137 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:02:52am

re: #129 JamesTKirk

I don't recall that I had a candidate for president.

Well, I had one for a while but Gulliani dropped out.

138 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:02:58am

Stinky is winding up in the batting cage.

139 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:03:04am

re: #124 cybermonk

we have a novice in the white house because our candidate for president did not have to balls to expose Obama for what he was. Moderates departed from the Republican party in droves looking for change, this is what they got.

Beck is a gadfly but he is as important as a warning to the rest of us. We may not ignore his warning but at our own peril.


I agree with your first paragraph.

140 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:03:13am

I hope we don't have another one of those "undead zombie troll" situations today. That was too creepy last night.

141 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:03:31am

re: #112 JamesTKirk

Actually, yes; because you're still addressing the person rather than the issue. The messenger rather than the message.

Of course, in some cases, the person is the issue...

142 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:03:42am

re: #140 Last Mohican

I hope we don't have another one of those "undead zombie troll" situations today. That was too creepy last night.

I know what caused that - won't happen again.

143 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:04:31am
144 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:04:49am

re: #132 Ben Hur

I ideas to why I can't play embedded vids on my firefox browser?

Do you have the latest version of Flash? It doesn't update itself automatically in Firefox as well as it does in IE (I always have trouble getting FF updated on my computers when a newer version of Flash comes along).

145 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:05:19am

re: #112 JamesTKirk

Actually, yes; because you're still addressing the person rather than the issue. The messenger rather than the message.

In sports we call that trash talking...We attack the player and his skills..
If you completely humiliate him and he melts down... It's a good day.
I heard Shaq tell Bradley when he flopped in the lane that if he pulled that shit again he'd knock him out...You should have seen the look in Shawns eyes..Now THAT's an Attack!

146 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:05:19am

re: #131 midwestgak

Thanks for posting that.

147 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:05:23am

re: #132 Ben Hur

I ideas to why I can't play embedded vids on my firefox browser?

Check the version of flash add on for Firefox? Might be out of date.

148 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:05:24am

re: #110 Kenneth
I'm afraid you're right Kenneth. And it's pure BULLSHIT that Holder is doing this against the wishes of Obama.
Once again Obama's own ego at his thus far short term and sudden fall from popularity has gotten to his ego and is gonna lead to a major crash and burn in the CIA and intelligence agencies in the US and everywhere else in the West.
Remember, Holder is talking about prosecuting people who arguably complied with the legal opinions of attorneys in the Bush White House and in the Bush Justice Department.
There must have been other, less harmful, ways for Obama to take people's eyes off his health care/health insurance reform proposals (and Cap and Trade is next).

149 shifty  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:05:33am

Even though Beck is a loon, it is kinda scary that a radical black group can have this kind of influence on advertisers by paying people to e-mail them with threats of a boycott.

150 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:05:37am

re: #133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I used to be a big Beck fan. He joined Fox and (or got permission to) lose his freaking mind! You haven't noticed it?

Charles Johnson is right!
-Blazing Saddles

Ding for the Blazing Saddle reference.

You would have gotten even more dings if you had answered in genuine frontier gibberish.

151 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:05:54am

re: #142 Charles

I know what caused that - won't happen again.

Bug or hack or both? (Hack meaning he had to actually do something special to exploit a bug.)
I have my guesses (posted in a couple of threads), but I do not expect any kind of confirmation or indication that I was wrong.

152 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:06:02am

re: #144 JamesTKirk

Do you have the latest version of Flash? It doesn't update itself automatically in Firefox as well as it does in IE (I always have trouble getting FF updated on my computers when a newer version of Flash comes along).

I will check.

Flash! I love you, but we only have 14 hours to save the Earth!

153 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:06:34am

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, whatever was making LGF run slow for other people a week or two ago has been making it run s-l-o-w-l-y here on the lovely East Coast for the last couple of days.

I've been able to hold snail races on my desk while waiting for "new comments" to load.

Not to mention having time to run to lunch in your S-car.

154 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:06:39am

Foreign GPs who commute to Britain: £100-an-hour Poles and Lithuanians fly in for shifts our doctors won't do


Maybe Obama can fly them in from Canada, Mexico or Cuba?

155 Danny  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:06:43am

re: #142 Charles

I know what caused that - won't happen again.

Actually that might be a cool new feature. Turn troll into zombie, then let the up/down dings determine if it lives or dies.

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:06:44am

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

Guy hears a knock on the door... no one there. Looks down, there's a snail on his stoop. He picks it up and throws it as far as he can.

Three days later, guy hears a knock on the door. Opens it up... looks down, snail says, "What the hell was that about?"

157 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:06:48am

re: #137 Kosh's Shadow

Dropped out? Imploded from incompetence and wishful thinking that he could avoid the early caucuses to focus on FL is more like it. Had he been successful in FL, it would have caused a sea change in how primaries are run, but the status quo won out.

158 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:07:12am

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, whatever was making LGF run slow for other people a week or two ago has been making it run s-l-o-w-l-y here on the lovely East Coast for the last couple of days.

I've been able to hold snail races on my desk while waiting for "new comments" to load.

I've been seeing many sites run slow at different times in the last week or so, not just LGF.

159 mfarmer1  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:07:20am

Fox is the most popular cable news network. Advertisers know this. They also know that the shows preceding Beck and after Beck are also tops in those time slots. Beck continues to draw 2.5 million viewers per day. People are tuning in before and after and apparently are not changing the channel. Advertisers know this too. So do Fox execs. These type of boycotts rarely work, let alone on such a popular show, right or wrong.

Beck may get smart here and tone it done a few notches as he did yesterday with Pat Caddell. That was a devastating interview for the Democrat Party in general given Caddell's established credentials, as was the time spent showing the real-time national debt website. There's no glossing over 60+ trillion in unfunded liabilities, regardless of political leanings.

When the number of viewers starts to drop dramatically, then we might see a change from Fox. Until then, the Fox execs will publicly hold their noses and privately keep giving each other high-fives.

160 avanti  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:07:24am

re: #131 midwestgak

Right-wing Becklash

It’s not just liberals who are scared to death by Glenn Beck. Prominent conservative pundits are speaking out, denouncing his hysterics before he sinks the entire movement.

It seems Glenn Beck is the man of the hour, with gushing profiles in The New York Times, exploding ratings, and the rapt attention of left and right alike. Yet Fox News and Beck's appeals to its more militant and conspiracy-minded elements are creating a backlash among a surprising group: the right.

Take Charles Johnson, a jazz musician and software programmer who is best known for his Web site, Little Green Footballs. Although an independent himself, for years Johnson's LGF has been one of the most popular blogs on the right, focusing mostly on national-security issues and the war on terror. It's also been a magnet for criticism from the left and even denounced by some as a "hate site" for its strident criticism of radical Islam.

"They've taken a real turn to the hard right, and Glenn Beck, I think, is kind of riding that wave," said blogger Charles Johnson. "I don't know if he's necessarily going to incite violence, but I do think it's irresponsible.”

Read the article for the whole story.

Well written piece and sure to generate more hate mail for Charles.

161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:07:27am

re: #150 JamesTKirk

I left that for someone to give me a "ribbit"...

Sheesh!

162 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:07:31am

re: #152 Ben Hur

I will check.

Flash! I love you, but we only have 14 hours to save the Earth!

If he's busy, we could try to get Flesh Gordon.
(Funny, the people who made Flesh Gordon never made a Buck Rogers parody.)

163 Drider  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:07:40am

Just because The Color of Change is at the head of the spear in this boycott does not mean Beck is a racist.

Beck is not a racist in any way shape or form.

164 JarHeadLifer  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:07:50am

re: #50 cybermonk

Beck is not a raving lunatic. He has done some serious exposes and this week is a prime example, he is exposing the rotten underbelly of Obama and Soros, and that takes courage. He has to be a little crazy, taking on the Chicago Thugs is not the safe thing to do.

You know, he' s not my cup of tea and neither is FNC really. The grotesque graphics, obnoxious breaking news alerts and bloviating pontificators just ignore the shit out of me.

But, Olberjerk & Maddude are just as obnoxious, just as loud, just as frequently wrong, just as over-the-top and just as bigoted as Beck. However, I don't see any rush of advertisers pulling their ads from them. Until that happens, I say to Beck - you go girl, err guy.

165 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:08:11am

re: #152 Ben Hur

I will check.

Flash! I love you, but we only have 14 hours to save the Earth!

I love that movie!

166 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:08:38am

re: #149 shifty

Even though Beck is a loon, it is kinda scary that a radical black group can have this kind of influence on advertisers by paying people to e-mail them with threats of a boycott.

I must have missed something. Did a radical black group pay people to send emails with threats of a boycott?

167 redstateredneck  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:08:55am

I think it bears noting that colorofchange.org is pushing the get Glen Beck off the air campaign.

168 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:08:56am

re: #155 Danny

Actually that might be a cool new feature. Turn troll into zombie, then let the up/down dings determine if it lives or dies.

Maybe if we had troll combat, like gladiators.

169 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:09:00am

re: #149 shifty

It's called capitalism and free press. If you look way back you will find that some of the original political group boycotts started on the far right, the left quickly learned the trick however. Anita Bryant's boycott, and the Anita Bryant boycott both come to mind.

170 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:09:39am

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow

If he's busy, we could try to get Flesh Gordon.
(Funny, the people who made Flesh Gordon never made a Buck Rogers parody.)

First "porn" I ever saw.

171 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:09:46am

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow

If he's busy, we could try to get Flesh Gordon.
(Funny, the people who made Flesh Gordon never made a Buck Rogers parody.)

No, but they did make a Flesh Gordon sequel.

172 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:10:09am

re: #125 SasquatchOnSteroids LOL!!

173 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:10:17am

re: #157 lawhawk

Dropped out? Imploded from incompetence and wishful thinking that he could avoid the early caucuses to focus on FL is more like it. Had he been successful in FL, it would have caused a sea change in how primaries are run, but the status quo won out.

Too bad Rudy didn't run a proper campaign. Or McCain. He kind of gave up partway through.
Thanks MSM for making McCain the candidate.
/dripping sarcasm on the last line

174 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:10:23am

re: #168 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe if we had troll combat, like gladiators.

So, Timmy, do you like gladiator movies?

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:10:26am

re: #152 Ben Hur

I will check.

Flash! I love you, but we only have 14 hours to save the Earth!

He'll save every one of us!

176 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:10:42am

re: #149 shifty

Also please note that advertisers in the past have told this same group to piss off because there wasn't weight and justification behind their claims. Ford comes to mind, their reply was somewhat acerbic all considered.

177 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:10:42am

re: #152 Ben Hur

I will check.

Flash! I love you, but we only have 14 hours to save the Earth!

Ah, fun movie. The Queen tune was my theme in high school.

/I had the nickname before I heard the song.

178 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:10:58am

re: #148 realwest

Holder & Paneta had a shouting match over this issue a few weeks ago. There is no way Holder would go ahead with these investigations without approval from above. That means Obama gave him the green light.

179 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:11:00am

re: #165 JamesTKirk

I love that movie!

Then you'll love this:

Youtube Video
180 shifty  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:11:06am

re: #166 Last Mohican

I must have missed something. Did a radical black group pay people to send emails with threats of a boycott?

Yes, ColorOfChange is asking for donations to keep the staff working on the anti-Beck campaign.

181 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:11:11am

re: #173 Kosh's Shadow

Rudy, like Halsey, acted stupidly. /Ramius

182 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:11:17am

I see we have some stealth dingers going through the thread.

183 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:11:20am
184 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:12:04am

re: #171 JamesTKirk

No, but they did make a Flesh Gordon sequel.

I missed that one. And I don't think I'm going to look for either of them.

185 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:12:33am

Trivia:

The TV show Married With Children offended everyone, and a wide variety of groups complained. However, they only apologized once. To whom did they apologize?

186 brennant  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:12:41am

re: #182 Charles

Stealth dingers? Is there a salve or tincture that might work to remove them?

Perhaps a poultice? ...an ointment?

187 Athos  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:12:45am

re: #157 lawhawk

I even agree with the 'incompetence' - as much as it pains me - as Rudy ran a tepid and weak campaign combined with his miscalculation around the importance of the early primaries.

I do know the RNC is under a lot of pressure to make some substantial changes in their primary system - with the old guard trying to keep the special placement for Iowa, NH - and a strong push from others to close the primaries to include only registered republicans and rebalance / reorder them. The challenge with this is the whacko arm (Luap Nor) of the GOP...

I've suggested that before they decide on the changes they need to purge the loons...paulians, birchers, etc.

188 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:12:47am

We now have two fewer stealth dingers.

189 Hanoch  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:12:56am

re: #117 realwest

Apparently the comments were made by Janeanne Garofalo on the Keith Olbermann show in April 2009. Here is a transcript

190 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:12:58am

downding by tshup to be expected by his ding patterns.

191 jaunte  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:13:06am

re: #186 brennant

A wrench?

192 SurferDoc  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:13:08am

re: #132 Ben Hur

I ideas to why I can't play embedded vids on my firefox browser?

You need to update Flash?

193 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:13:23am

Vids work for me now.

Thanks.

Stealth dingers?

Not I.

I proudly display my dinger.

194 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:13:35am

re: #167 redstateredneck

I think it bears noting that colorofchange.org is pushing the get Glen Beck off the air campaign.

Why are the progressives so worried about this nut?

195 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:13:50am

re: #186 brennant

Stealth dingers? Is there a salve or tincture that might work to remove them?

Perhaps a poultice? ...an ointment?

A bomb!?!

Not a bomb! A BALM! An ointment!

196 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:14:04am

re: #185 JamesTKirk

Trivia:

The TV show Married With Children offended everyone, and a wide variety of groups complained. However, they only apologized once. To whom did they apologize?

I don't know, but I do know the show was saved by the fact a boycott was being organized against it. Its ratings were terrible until people watched to see what the fuss was about, and then kept watching.

197 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:14:20am

re: #192 SurferDoc

You need to update Flash?

Aaah Haaa! Saviour of the universe!

198 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:14:37am

re: #188 Charles

We now have two fewer stealth dingers.

Like a shark.

199 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:14:40am

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He'll save every one of us!

No one can chew scenery like Brian Blessed.

200 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:14:51am
201 Danny  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:14:56am

re: #188 Charles

We now have two fewer stealth dingers.

Does that include Karma reimbursements?

202 brennant  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:14:57am

re: #195 Ben Hur

An emollient? A liniment?

203 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:14:58am

re: #195 Ben Hur

A bomb!?!

Not a bomb! A BALM! An ointment!

That's a dangerous animal!

204 avanti  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:15:04am

re: #178 Kenneth

Holder & Paneta had a shouting match over this issue a few weeks ago. There is no way Holder would go ahead with these investigations without approval from above. That means Obama gave him the green light.

Holder is by law, independent of the POTUS. The only thing Obama could do, would be to fire him as Nixon did with his AG. If Obama had tried to stop Holder, we'd have a constitutional issue.

205 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:15:39am

re: #195 Ben Hur

A bomb!?!

Not a bomb! A BALM! An ointment!

C'mon! It's from a film.

206 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:15:51am

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

I can't even make my S-car go.

But slowly. Sluggishly, even.

207 brennant  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:16:01am

Try our new LGF Unguent! Guaranteed "dinger" free!

208 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:16:03am

re: #203 Kosh's Shadow

That's a dangerous animal!

LOL!

209 SurferDoc  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:16:21am

re: #199 JamesTKirk

No one can chew scenery like Brian Blessed.

Indeed. One of the all time great hams.

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:16:35am

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

I can't even make my S-car go.

That was one of the cutest things Sears ever did. Little shell carrier on top of the car from Sears "S-cargo".

211 redstateredneck  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:16:47am

re: #194 Walter L. Newton

Why are the progressives so worried about this nut?

Makes you wonder.

212 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:16:54am
213 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:16:57am

re: #159 mfarmer1
Well if a network OTHER than Fox would start talking about Obama in something less than worshipful ways, I think that would hurt Fox a helluva lot more.

214 deacon  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:17:05am

One thing to notice, many of these companies are not actually pulling their ads from Beck's show, they are merely stating they will not run ads during Beck's time slot, which they have not previously done.

215 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:17:10am

re: #199 JamesTKirk

No one can chew scenery like Brian Blessed.

I can sooo do him.

His voice I mean.

Of course.

I mean, you know, nothing Freudian there, I tell you.

216 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:17:14am

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

Oh man, I was hoping you'd re-post the idiot picture (even a cropped version).

YAY! There it is! Thanks Charles.

217 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:17:32am

re: #196 Kosh's Shadow

I don't know, but I do know the show was saved by the fact a boycott was being organized against it. Its ratings were terrible until people watched to see what the fuss was about, and then kept watching.

The Bundies had a Betamax tape player, and were mocked for it. ("Only losers still use Betamax!") They couldn't find any video store that still rented them, etc.

Betamax owners and aficionados complained, and got the only apology ever offered by the producers of Married With Children.

Oh, and to tie this in to the Flash/Flesh Gordon thread, there's an X-rated version of Married With Children coming out soon. Another thing for us not to look for (especially while at work).

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:17:55am

re: #204 avanti

Are people that you can fire ever really independent?

219 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:18:22am

re: #188 Charles

We now have two fewer stealth dingers.

Was "tshup" one of them? I caught one of his.

220 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:18:22am

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

I can't even make my S-car go.

Shop smart. Shop S-mart.

221 jaunte  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:18:26am

Maybe FreeCreditReport.com will take this time to develop a less obnoxious ad campaign.

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:18:50am

re: #217 JamesTKirk

Oh noes! "Married with Children! The Aristocrats Version"

223 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:18:56am

re: #199 JamesTKirk

No one can chew scenery like Brian Blessed.

He has been cast as Odin in the new Thor flick!

224 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:19:29am

re: #221 jaunte

Maybe FreeCreditReport.com will take this time to develop a less obnoxious ad campaign.

"Free", my ass. The "free" part means you sign up with their "triple advantage" program.

225 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:19:31am

re: #223 Ben Hur

He has been cast as Odin in the new Thor flick!

I know! I don't care who's cast as Thor or anybody else, I'm going to see it just for him!

226 brennant  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:19:35am

Ok, I am done with the jokes...

Lots of nutter Beck fans forums.corvetteforum.com...]>here.

227 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:19:58am

re: #223 Ben Hur

He has been cast as Odin in the new Thor flick!

Odin? That's a cross to bear.

228 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:19:59am

BBL

229 redstateredneck  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:20:04am

re: #221 jaunte

Maybe FreeCreditReport.com will take this time to develop a less obnoxious ad campaign.

I just read recently that the lead singer on those commercial is lip-synching. He can sing and he has a band, but his French Canadian accent is so strong they didn't want to use his voice.

230 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:20:06am

re: #217 JamesTKirk

The Bundies had a Betamax tape player, and were mocked for it. ("Only losers still use Betamax!") They couldn't find any video store that still rented them, etc.

Betamax owners and aficionados complained, and got the only apology ever offered by the producers of Married With Children.

Oh, and to tie this in to the Flash/Flesh Gordon thread, there's an X-rated version of Married With Children coming out soon. Another thing for us not to look for (especially while at work).

The whole Beta vs VHS argument usually fails to note that when they first came out, Beta tapes were no longer than 90 minutes, thus requiring two tapes for a movie. VHS tapes were 2 hours, so most movies would fit on one tape. Thus, the studios went with VHS, and most people (very hard to change tapes in the middle of recording).
If Sony had looked at their market just a little better and made the tapes 2 hours...

231 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:20:50am

re: #188 Charles

We now have two fewer stealth dingers.

Having read Uncle Remus, I suspect you've written a TarBaby subroutine.

(The image is utterly wierd, but delicious -- stealth-dingy-troll screaming as he tries to remove his hand from his mouse before it and the disposable down-ding icon are flung from the room.)

232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:21:00am

re: #229 redstateredneck

I just read recently that the lead singer on those commercial is lip-synching. He can sing and he has a band, but his French Canadian accent is so strong they didn't want to use his voice.

Like some other schmuck wouldn't have worked?

233 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:21:15am

re: #230 Kosh's Shadow

The whole Beta vs VHS argument usually fails to note that when they first came out, Beta tapes were no longer than 90 minutes, thus requiring two tapes for a movie. VHS tapes were 2 hours, so most movies would fit on one tape. Thus, the studios went with VHS, and most people (very hard to change tapes in the middle of recording).
If Sony had looked at their market just a little better and made the tapes 2 hours...

Laserdiscs had a similar problem, as did VCDs.

234 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:21:40am

re: #224 Ward Cleaver

"Free", my ass. The "free" part means you sign up with their "triple advantage" program.

Somewhere on the site, well hidden, is supposed to be a link for a real free report.
The whole ad campaign, though, is aimed at the stupid, who can be convinced monitoring your credit report will make it better. It's only good against fraud, not failure to pay bills.

235 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:21:52am

re: #193 Ben Hur

Stealth dingers?

Not I.

I proudly display my dinger.

G*H!

236 redstateredneck  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:21:55am

re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Like some other schmuck wouldn't have worked?

Guess they liked the way he looked!

237 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:22:20am

Rush is on a roll this morning calling Obama a fascist.

238 avanti  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:22:23am

re: #218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Are people that you can fire ever really independent?

Well, the Nixon firings doomed his Presidency, so it's not exactly a casual decision to fire your AG. Firing Holder for merely asking for a investigation as he is required to do, would not have been a popular decision.

239 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:22:30am

re: #224 Ward Cleaver

"Free", my ass. The "free" part means you sign up with their "triple advantage" program.

And the government already requires that the credit companies provide one free annual report in any event. It isn't quite a scam - since you can keep track of changes to your history with their program, but you're being conned into getting something for free that would be free regardless.

240 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:22:32am

re: #188 Charles

Did you see the article posted at #131? You are quoted accurately.

241 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:22:43am

re: #229 redstateredneck

I just read recently that the lead singer on those commercial is lip-synching. He can sing and he has a band, but his French Canadian accent is so strong they didn't want to use his voice.

I wish they'd stop with the singing, if they won't stop the whole ad campaign.
I reach for the remote when they come on.

242 redstateredneck  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:23:00am

re: #193 Ben Hur

Vids work for me now.

Thanks.

Stealth dingers?

Not I.


I proudly display my dinger.

Walk proud, Ben!

243 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:23:29am

re: #237 itellu3times

Rush is on a roll this morning calling Obama a fascist.

Oh, wonderful.

244 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:23:30am

re: #237 itellu3times

Rush is on a roll this morning calling Obama a fascist.

Oh my gosh. Another right-wing nut case who is going to loose his show if he is not careful. Why can't these guys just stop it?

245 mfarmer1  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:23:32am

re: #213 realwest

I think you nailed it. Spot on.

246 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:23:49am

re: #167 redstateredneck
Hey {red} y'all ought to go look at their about page, wherein they proclaim:

ColorOfChange.org exists to strengthen Black America's political voice. Our goal is to empower our members—Black Americans and our allies—to make government more responsive to the concerns of Black Americans and to bring about positive political and social change for everyone.


and further down that page:

Former Staff
Van Jones (Co-founder, inactive)
While Van hasn't been active in the work of ColorOfChange in recent years, we are proud of where his work las led him. After helping ColorOfChange get started in 2005, Van moved on to other pursuits. In 2007, he founded and served as the executive director of Green For All, an organization dedicated to creating opportunities for low-income communities connected to the greater effort of addressing climate change. Van now serves as Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality.


[emphsis added realwest]

247 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:24:01am

re: #237 itellu3times

Rush is on a roll this morning calling Obama a fascist.

It's no wonder Larouche followers feel welcome among conservatives these days.

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:24:02am

re: #238 avanti

You are extra level-headed today. ding for ya.

249 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:24:09am
250 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:24:11am

re: #224 Ward Cleaver

"Free", my ass. The "free" part means you sign up with their "triple advantage" program.

Doesn't that just piss you off? I had an issue this morning and wasted an hour with a situation.

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:24:27am

re: #180 shifty

Yes, ColorOfChange is asking for donations to keep the staff working on the anti-Beck campaign.

Asking for donations to pay your staff is a little bit different from paying random people on the street to send e-mail.

252 jaunte  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:24:38am

re: #229 redstateredneck

I just read recently that the lead singer on those commercial is lip-synching. He can sing and he has a band, but his French Canadian accent is so strong they didn't want to use his voice.

Too bad, that might have added a little interest. As it is, that campaign is so incredibly annoying it makes me want to not do any business with Experian if I can help it.

253 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:24:41am

OT: Cat vs. Aquarium

254 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:25:11am

re: #240 midwestgak

Did you see the article posted at #131? You are quoted accurately.

I sure did ...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:25:30am

re: #194 Walter L. Newton

Why are the progressives so worried about this nut?

I don't know. He seems fairly self-evidently insane.

256 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:25:38am

I must say, I've never seen Glenn Beck. I only got cable a month or so ago and that was only because the wife couldn't stand to be without ESPN any longer.

Priorities and all that.

Still, I can't decide which is more disturbing: that the Left feels it necessary to coordinate efforts to stifle dissent or that the only voices on the Right that are speaking audibly are so chock full of wacky ideas.

257 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:25:52am

re: #182 Charles

I see we have some stealth dingers going through the thread.


NAMES CHARLES! We want names to ponder while we get the bonfire ready!!
/ only for the bonfire!

258 Cheesehead  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:26:09am

Charles-you should create a deleted account "Graveyard" on this page so that we can continue to down-ding certin perps even after they're gone. Might be fun to see them piled on even after death!

259 Drider  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:26:09am

re: #194 Walter L. Newton

Why are the progressives so worried about this nut?

Because he is dangerous to their form of ideology and exposes their ludicrous views through comical entertainment and is obviously effective or they wouldn't be going through the trouble of trying to bury him.
He is also irritating with his quivering lip, tear jerking moments, other than that it's great to have him on the team.

260 Kragar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:26:26am

re: #257 realwest

NAMES CHARLES! We want names to ponder while we get the bonfire ready!!
/ only for the bonfire!

May we burn her?

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:26:34am

re: #195 Ben Hur

A bomb!?!

Not a bomb! A BALM! An ointment!

There is no bomb in Gilead.

--Yossi Ben-Zaken, IDF explosives expert

262 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:26:44am

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #194 Walter L. Newton
Why are the progressives so worried about this nut?

I don't know. He seems fairly self-evidently insane.

That's the problem! He's speaking their language!

263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:27:17am

re: #258 Cheesehead

Charles-you should create a deleted account "Graveyard" on this page so that we can continue to down-ding certin perps even after they're gone. Might be fun to see them piled on even after death!

I have wanted that for years!

264 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:27:20am

re: #262 JamesTKirk

That's the problem! He's speaking their language!

He's co-opted their insanity.

265 FQ Kafir  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:27:20am

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Even though he's a caustic blowhard much of the time, Rush will not lose his show. Too many stations make too much money by broadcasting his show.

In a way, he's too big to fail.

266 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:27:48am

re: #258 Cheesehead

Charles-you should create a deleted account "Graveyard" on this page so that we can continue to down-ding certin perps even after they're gone. Might be fun to see them piled on even after death!

How can you downding a comment when all you see is [deleted]?

267 albusteve  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:27:52am

re: #247 Killgore Trout

It's no wonder Larouche followers feel welcome among conservatives these days.

the MSM controls your thoughts and behaviors...MWAHAHA!...even a television commercial can be designed to raise your ire

268 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:27:54am

re: #260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

May we burn her?

How do you know she is a witch?

269 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:27:59am

re: #204 avanti

Sure. You keep on believing that.

270 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:28:01am

re: #256 Lucius Septimius

I must say, I've never seen Glenn Beck. I only got cable a month or so ago and that was only because the wife couldn't stand to be without ESPN any longer.

Priorities and all that.

Still, I can't decide which is more disturbing: that the Left feels it necessary to coordinate efforts to stifle dissent or that the only voices on the Right that are speaking audibly are so chock full of wacky ideas.


You have an awesome wife...Buy her more flowers and Diamonds.

271 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:28:08am

re: #260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

May we burn her?

Get the scales and the duck!

272 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:28:19am

re: #262 JamesTKirk

That's the problem! He's speaking their language!

Romulan or Klingon?

(Howdy Cap'n)

273 Kragar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:28:35am

re: #268 Kosh's Shadow

How do you know she is a witch?

She turned me into a newt.

274 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:28:40am

re: #264 Ward Cleaver

He's co-opted their insanity.

Nah, there's plenty to go around.

275 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:28:40am

re: #271 JamesTKirk

Get the scales and the duck!

Build a bridge out of her!

276 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:28:55am

re: #273 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

She turned me into a newt.

A newt?

277 Kragar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:29:15am

re: #276 Kosh's Shadow

A newt?

I got better.

278 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:29:17am

re: #273 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

She turned me into a newt.

"Funny, you don't look like a newt."

- "I got bettah."

279 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:29:49am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

OT: Cat vs. Aquarium

WONDERFUL!

280 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:29:53am

re: #204 avanti

Holder is by law, independent of the POTUS. The only thing Obama could do, would be to fire him as Nixon did with his AG. If Obama had tried to stop Holder, we'd have a constitutional issue.

Democrats can fire them at any time. It's only when Republicans fire them that it's a problem.

281 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:29:54am

re: #270 HoosierHoops

You have an awesome wife...Buy her more flowers and Diamonds.

You know, I could post "You don't bring me flowers" by neil diamond and it would be on topic. In respect for my fellow lizards, I shant.

282 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:29:57am

re: #221 jaunte

Maybe FreeCreditReport.com will take this time to develop a less obnoxious ad campaign.


Lord, I hope so! Good morning afternoon juante, how are you doing?

283 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:30:13am

re: #273 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

She turned me into a newt.

Image: 225px-Newt-2004-clipped.jpg

This could be bad.

284 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:30:18am

re: #272 Lucius Septimius

Romulan or Klingon?

(Howdy Cap'n)

Sure ain't Vulcan.

285 Kragar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:30:31am

re: #278 Ward Cleaver

"Funny, you don't look like a newt."

- "I got bettah."

I mostly go out at night, mostly.

Oops, wrong Newt.

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:30:45am

re: #281 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boy, if I've ever seen a "ding whore" statement...

287 LGoPs  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:31:18am

re: #50 cybermonk

Beck is not a raving lunatic. He has done some serious exposes and this week is a prime example, he is exposing the rotten underbelly of Obama and Soros, and that takes courage. He has to be a little crazy, taking on the Chicago Thugs is not the safe thing to do.

I rarely catch Beck, although that's due mainly to my schedule, rather than any active dislike of him but I have not seen anything that merits calling for his removal from the air.
We have a government media mis-informational complex at work here in this country that overshadows anything Eisenhower warned us about in the '50's. FOX, imperfect as they may be, is one of the few outlets that stands athwart that complex. They deserve support, not calls for boycott and advertiser abandonment. They've got mine.

288 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:31:29am

re: #268 Kosh's Shadow

Does she float?

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:31:35am

re: #280 JamesTKirk

Democrats can fire them at any time. It's only when Republicans fire them that it's a problem.

Can you give me an example?

290 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:32:21am

re: #288 lawhawk

Does she float?

What else floats on water?

291 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:32:32am

re: #266 JamesTKirk

How can you downding a comment when all you see is [deleted]?

*gasp* ... Worse than that, are our down-dings deleted along with the offending comment/s ?!?!

/my existential angst is flaming up again!

292 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:32:33am
293 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:32:54am

re: #287 LGoPs

I rarely catch Beck, although that's due mainly to my schedule, rather than any active dislike of him but I have not seen anything that merits calling for his removal from the air.
We have a government media mis-informational complex at work here in this country that overshadows anything Eisenhower warned us about in the '50's. FOX, imperfect as they may be, is one of the few outlets that stands athwart that complex. They deserve support, not calls for boycott and advertiser abandonment. They've got mine.

It just seems like everybody on the left and right has given up on rationality. If they'd just tone down the rhetoric.

294 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:33:02am

re: #287 LGoPs

I rarely catch Beck, although that's due mainly to my schedule, rather than any active dislike of him but I have not seen anything that merits calling for his removal from the air.
We have a government media mis-informational complex at work here in this country that overshadows anything Eisenhower warned us about in the '50's. FOX, imperfect as they may be, is one of the few outlets that stands athwart that complex. They deserve support, not calls for boycott and advertiser abandonment. They've got mine.

Down with Beck.

295 SurferDoc  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:33:18am

re: #285 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I mostly go out at night, mostly.

Oops, wrong Newt.

Upding for an 'Aliens' reference.

/Gameover

296 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:33:32am

re: #281 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know, I could post "You don't bring me flowers" by neil diamond and it would be on topic. In respect for my fellow lizards, I shant.

Thank God...You start quoting Neil Diamond songs I swear I'll pull out that suit case Nuke around here somewhere and set it off...
/I think the code was 1.2.3.4..Same as my luggage..
*wink*

297 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:33:55am

re: #294 Walter L. Newton

Oh de-lay.

298 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:34:00am

re: #223 Ben Hur

Here's a clip of Blessed in his best role ever, as Augustus in I Claudius..

Youtube Video
299 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:34:33am

re: #294 Walter L. Newton

Down with Beck.

It's a free country, let him spew his idiocies and let the market forces take care of it. As much as I dislike his screeds and his rants, he has a right to say it. You have a right to turn of the TV and the radio.

300 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:34:55am

re: #298 Kenneth

Here's a clip of Blessed in his best role ever, as Augustus in I Claudius..


[Video]

Man, I loved that series. Excellent.

301 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:35:26am

The noble 36 advertisers are bunch of crass, duplicious weasels.

I'll bet EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM ran ads supporting shows and TV hosts which maligned the office of the President and the man himself in ways that are as equally distasteful and wrong as the babble spewed by Beck.

But THAT president was George Walker Bush. And after all, Chris Matthews and MSNBC called Bush an idiot, but that's ok. Because it's Chris Matthews, right?

RIGHT??

.

302 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:35:33am

God I miss Buckley.

303 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:35:40am

re: #293 Ward Cleaver

It just seems like everybody on the left and right has given up on rationality. If they'd just tone down the rhetoric.

That is not going to happen, as far as I can tell. Part of it is human folly, and part is media selection.

304 albusteve  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:36:27am

re: #293 Ward Cleaver

It just seems like everybody on the left and right has given up on rationality. If they'd just tone down the rhetoric.

maybe not everyone, but plenty enough to determine agendas and elections...the fact Beck is even being discussed is evidence at how far we've fallen...I'm cynical enough to say that it's an irreversible trend...it is what it is and we have to live with it...if BO can be elected president, anything is possible

305 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:36:32am

re: #299 Jetpilot1101

It's a free country, let him spew his idiocies and let the market forces take care of it. As much as I dislike his screeds and his rants, he has a right to say it. You have a right to turn of the TV and the radio.

Down with Beck.

306 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:36:49am
307 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:36:52am

re: #298 Kenneth

Excellent series.

308 Baier  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:36:53am

Not only is Glenn Beck stupid, he is really stupid as well.

309 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:37:07am

re: #298 Kenneth

Here's a clip of Blessed in his best role ever, as Augustus in I Claudius..


[Video]

You mean his role as leader of the Hawkmen in Flash Gordon was not his best role ever?

310 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:37:21am

re: #306 buzzsawmonkey

And the heck with the Yardbirds, too!

Now them's fightin' words.

311 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:37:43am

Clinton fired 93 U.S. Attorneys - crickets

Bush fires 8 U.S. Attorneys - outrage, calls for Congressional inquiries, cats and dogs living together, etc.

Obama fires Inspector General Gerald Walpin for investigating Obama's buddy Kevin Johnson - crickets.

312 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:37:47am

re: #294 Walter L. Newton

Down with Beck.

And St. Pauli Girl.

313 albusteve  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:37:50am

re: #306 buzzsawmonkey

And the heck with the Yardbirds, too!

YARDBIRDS!
2pys

314 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:37:51am

re: #305 Walter L. Newton

Down with Beck.

So I understand that you want "Down with (insert name here)" unless they agree with you.

315 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:37:53am

re: #306 buzzsawmonkey

And the heck with the Yardbirds, too!

Yes, down with the Yardbirds, down with the backyard birds, down with all birds. Yeaaa (chaneling John Dean)

316 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:38:02am

re: #287 LGoPs

I rarely catch Beck, although that's due mainly to my schedule, rather than any active dislike of him but I have not seen anything that merits calling for his removal from the air.
We have a government media mis-informational complex at work here in this country that overshadows anything Eisenhower warned us about in the '50's. FOX, imperfect as they may be, is one of the few outlets that stands athwart that complex. They deserve support, not calls for boycott and advertiser abandonment. They've got mine.

No, they don't deserve support. Glenn Beck is promoting really bad people and causes, including outright racist kook groups like the John Birch Society. If you support Glenn Beck, you're supporting rabid extremism and conspiracy theories.

317 gregb  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:38:13am

As much as I can't stand him, somebody seems to like him.

"Something about immovable objects and unstoppable forces..."

At some point, the momentum of the advertising dollar exits will have to come to terms with the rising popularity of the show (with certain segments). In fact, I think the boycott is increasing the viewership.

Something will have to give at some point. I'm guessing that market forces and the almighty dollar wins out. Which way that tips is anyone's guess.

Greg

318 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:38:22am

re: #314 Jetpilot1101

So I understand that you want "Down with (insert name here)" unless they agree with you.

Right.

319 redstateredneck  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:38:28am

re: #246 realwest

They've got a hard-on for Fox News.

The organization also heavily lobbied the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) in 2007 to not host a Democratic presidential debate with the Fox network, which it argued "consistently marginalizes...Black leaders and the Black community."

320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:38:37am

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

Yes, down with the Yardbirds, down with the backyard birds, down with all birds. Yeaaa (chaneling John Dean)

Or Howard?

(Up with Maisey!)

321 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:38:41am

re: #301 Dad O' Blondes

And after all, Chris Matthews and MSNBC called Bush an idiot, but that's ok. Because it's Chris Matthews, right?

RIGHT??

.

Well, that was when "dissent was the highest form of patriotism."

Times change, doncha know.

322 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:38:53am

re: #318 Walter L. Newton

Right.

I'm just going to assume that you are being sarcastic because no one can be that stupid.

323 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:39:09am

re: #300 Ward Cleaver

Brian Blessed in Blackadder I

Youtube Video
324 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:39:48am

re: #320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or Howard?

(Up with Maisey!)

Get down with Maisey (she rocks).

I swear, she has never eaten as much as she does now on a daily basis since we moved up here.

Does she know something about the up coming winter that I don't know?

325 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:39:54am

re: #298 Kenneth

Here's a clip of Blessed in his best role ever, as Augustus in I Claudius.

Youtube Video
326 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:40:08am

re: #322 Jetpilot1101

I'm just going to assume that you are being sarcastic because no one can be that stupid.

I can't believe you are calling me sarcastic?

327 albusteve  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:40:32am

re: #322 Jetpilot1101

I'm just going to assume that you are being sarcastic because no one can be that stupid.

that's what politics is all about eh?...or do you whitewash it into something else?

328 jaunte  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:40:52am

re: #282 realwest

Lord, I hope so! Good morning afternoon juante, how are you doing?

Hi realwest; doing well, I'm just heading out the door to go talk to a new client in Phoenix. Have a good day, I'll see you later this evening if you're online

329 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:40:58am

re: #311 JamesTKirk

Clinton fired 93 U.S. Attorneys - crickets

Bush fires 8 U.S. Attorneys - outrage, calls for Congressional inquiries, cats and dogs living together, etc.

Obama fires Inspector General Gerald Walpin for investigating Obama's buddy Kevin Johnson - crickets.

And Bush fired the attorneys for insubordination.

330 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:41:31am

re: #302 Lucius Septimius

God I miss Buckley.

I miss Tony Snow. And Brit Hume, as dry as some thought him, was also a watcher for me. Don't watch as much TV news as I used to

331 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:41:37am
332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:42:43am

re: #330 SasquatchOnSteroids


I miss Tony Snow.

Sigh.

333 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:43:20am

re: #311 JamesTKirk

Clinton fired 93 U.S. Attorneys - crickets

Bush fires 8 U.S. Attorneys - outrage, calls for Congressional inquiries, cats and dogs living together, etc.

Obama fires Inspector General Gerald Walpin for investigating Obama's buddy Kevin Johnson - crickets.

Not related to Glenn Beck, but well worth an upding nonetheless.

334 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:43:25am

I miss promiscuity.

335 coquimbojoe  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:43:37am

re: #131 midwestgak

Right-wing Becklash

Take Charles Johnson, a jazz musician and software programmer who is best known for his Web site, Little Green Footballs. Although an independent himself, for years Johnson's LGF has been one of the most popular blogs on the right, focusing mostly on national-security issues and the war on terror. It's also been a magnet for criticism from the left and even denounced by some as a "hate site" for its strident criticism of radical Islam.

Interesting how being concerned with the truth is considered 'right'...

336 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:43:39am

re: #300 Ward Cleaver

Brilliant series. So many great actors and a great script.

337 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:43:48am

re: #30 JamesTKirk

I don't watch TV period, because of all the frelling ads.


Yet you get your slang vocabulary from a sci fi TV show that featured a Muppet.
;^)

338 redstateredneck  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:44:20am

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sigh.

A former LGFer sent him a note when he was battling cancer and she received one of the nicest most gracious replies I have ever read. I was honored that she shared it with me.

339 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:44:37am

re: #45 Kenneth

Glenn Beck is an irrelevant fool. Don't we have anything more important to discuss? Like...

The wars in Iraq & Afghanistan?
North Korean nuclear program?
Iran's nuclear program?
Prosecuting the CIA?
Medicare reform?
The economy?

Anything?

I liked your comments on the Foad Ajami WSJournal piece in the last thread. This is a excerpt (just a tad lengthy) that was one of my favorites. I'm bolding the best.

The Obama devotees were the victims of their own belief in political magic. The devotees could not make up their minds. In a newly minted U.S. senator from Illinois, they saw the embodiment of Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy. Like Lincoln, Mr. Obama was tall and thin and from Illinois, and the historic campaign was launched out of Springfield. The oath of office was taken on the Lincoln Bible. Like FDR, he had a huge economic challenge, and he better get it done, repair and streamline the economy in his "first hundred days." Like JFK, he was young and stylish, with a young family.

All this hero-worship before Mr. Obama met his first test of leadership. In reality, he was who he was, a Chicago politician who had done well by his opposition to the Iraq war. He had run a skillful campaign, and had met a Clinton machine that had run out of tricks and a McCain campaign that never understood the nature of the contest of 2008.

He was no FDR, and besides the history of the depression—the real history—bears little resemblance to the received narrative of the nation instantly rescued, in the course of 100 days or 200 days, by an interventionist state. The economic distress had been so deep and relentless that FDR began his second term, in 1937, with the economy still in the grip of recession.

Nor was JFK about style. He had known military service and combat, and familial loss; he had run in 1960 as a hawk committed to the nation's victory in the Cold War. He and his rival, Richard Nixon, shared a fundamental outlook on American power and its burdens.

Now that realism about Mr. Obama has begun to sink in, these iconic figures of history had best be left alone. They can't rescue the Obama presidency. Their magic can't be his. Mr. Obama isn't Lincoln with a BlackBerry. Those great personages are made by history, in the course of history, and not by the spinners or the smitten talking heads.

340 LGoPs  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:45:03am

re: #316 Charles

No, they don't deserve support. Glenn Beck is promoting really bad people and causes, including outright racist kook groups like the John Birch Society. If you support Glenn Beck, you're supporting rabid extremism and conspiracy theories.

Fine, then don't support FOX. I'll keep my own counsel on who I do and do not support.

341 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:45:19am

re: #199 JamesTKirk

No one can chew scenery like Brian Blessed.

Godzilla might care to argue that one.

342 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:45:29am

I'm sure there are alternate advertisers to be found. Starting with pharmaceutical companies.

343 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:45:34am

re: #333 Last Mohican

Not related to Glenn Beck, but well worth an upding nonetheless.

'Twas a response to #289

344 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:45:48am

re: #324 Walter L. Newton

Get down with Maisey (she rocks).

I swear, she has never eaten as much as she does now on a daily basis since we moved up here.

Does she know something about the up coming winter that I don't know?

Maybe she can sense the lessened pull of gravity at the higher elevation, and is trying to "make things right"?

345 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:46:10am

re: #339 Silvergirl


Mr. Obama isn't Lincoln with a BlackBerry.

Obviously code that only anti-Obamites understand.

346 Kragar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:46:18am

re: #337 Abu Al-Poopypants

Yet you get your slang vocabulary from a sci fi TV show that featured a Muppet.
;^)

Thats because Farscape was the shizzynest of the izznits.

347 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:46:25am

re: #337 Abu Al-Poopypants

Yet you get your slang vocabulary from a sci fi TV show that featured a Muppet.
;^)

I watch DVDs. I don't watch television.

348 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:46:59am

re: #343 JamesTKirk

'Twas a response to #289

Ah yes, now I see.

349 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:47:34am

re: #341 lawhawk

Godzilla might care to argue that one.

Brian Blessed vs. Godzilla? I'll put $20 on Blessed.

350 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:47:56am

re: #347 JamesTKirk

I watch DVDs. I don't watch television.

I watch them too, but they just tend to sit there not doing anything. In fact, once you've watched one DVD, you've really seen them all.

351 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:49:13am

re: #350 Lucius Septimius

I watch them too, but they just tend to sit there not doing anything. In fact, once you've watched one DVD, you've really seen them all.

The DVDs in the upstairs gameroom have starting hunting VHS tapes with sharp sticks. The population downstairs has not yet exhibited this adaptive behavior.

/

352 Drider  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:49:19am

Becks ratings are through the roof at the moment, he isn't going anywhere thankfully.
And actually believing that in supporting Beck, makes all of those people extremist radicals and racist, that is really a super long stretch that does not make a connection.
Thats like calling the town hall,tea party folks code pinkers when it is there diligence and yelling that has done what the Krauthammer and Crystal types couldn't touch in slowing Obama's "change" down.

Oh, Beck has attended a few of these tea parties also so I imagine in some peoples mind that gives him a pinkish hue.

353 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:49:35am
354 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:49:55am

re: #339 Silvergirl

"Mr. Obama isn't Lincoln with a BlackBerry."

Perfect.

355 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:50:37am

re: #340 LGoPs

Fine, then don't support FOX. I'll keep my own counsel on who I do and do not support.

I would never try to take away your right to support extremism and conspiracy theories.

356 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:50:44am

re: #350 Lucius Septimius

I watch them too, but they just tend to sit there not doing anything. In fact, once you've watched one DVD, you've really seen them all.

Depends on what angle you hold them at. You can see all kinds of different things reflected in a DVD.

However, when you watch a DVD on a monitor through a computer, there is no television set in the loop. There is specifically no receiver for broadcast, cable, or satellite television signals. There is only what you choose to watch, when you choose to watch it, free of commercial breaks and those obnoxious station logos and other ads taking up the lower-right corner of the screen.

357 Wendya  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:50:56am

re: #23 Jetpilot1101

Seems like an empty boycott to me. They should be pulling their adds from the network and causing them some financial harm.

And advertise on MSNBC instead?

They are going to advertise where there are viewers. If they gain more customers than they lose, it's a win.

I really despise "organized" boycotts. I'm perfectly capable of making up my own mind regarding where I spend my money. If I were to boycott every leftist business in my town, I'd have to drive further and pay more. That doesn't make good financial sense to me. I'm more than willing to take money from my leftist clients so I don't mind spending it in their shops as well.

358 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:51:00am

re: #351 OldLineTexan

The DVDs in the upstairs gameroom have starting hunting VHS tapes with sharp sticks. The population downstairs has not yet exhibited this adaptive behavior.

/

That's my problem -- no VHS tapes in the house. If they are predators and there is no constant source of food they must die. Either that or they've opted to become sedentary filter feeders.

359 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:51:09am

re: #347 JamesTKirk

I watch DVDs. I don't watch television.


You don't happen to be a frequent poster on a particula prog-rock site, do you?

360 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:51:26am

re: #335 coquimbojoe

Interesting how being concerned with the truth is considered 'right'...

Official new algorithm for analyzing any person's idea about any subject:

1. Decide whether you are "left" or "right." Assign that value to variable a.

2. Examine 1-3 words from the other person's idea, and categorize it as "left" or "right." Assign that value to variable b.

3. If a is not equal to b, then try to figure out how much scathing vitriol you can get away with heaping on the other person's idea, and do it.

4. If a is equal to b, then lavish praise upon the idea, send it to all your friends, and post it on your favorite web site.

361 albusteve  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:51:28am

re: #352 Drider

Becks ratings are through the roof at the moment, he isn't going anywhere thankfully.
And actually believing that in supporting Beck, makes all of those people extremist radicals and racist, that is really a super long stretch that does not make a connection.
Thats like calling the town hall,tea party folks code pinkers when it is there diligence and yelling that has done what the Krauthammer and Crystal types couldn't touch in slowing Obama's "change" down.

Oh, Beck has attended a few of these tea parties also so I imagine in some peoples mind that gives him a pinkish hue.

bow before your Master and hear the Great Becketh!...hahaha!

362 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:51:32am

re: #351 OldLineTexan

The DVDs in the upstairs gameroom have starting hunting VHS tapes with sharp sticks. The population downstairs has not yet exhibited this adaptive behavior.

/

And the VHS tapes are helpless, because they never got to the part of the self defense course on defending against pointed sticks, just defending themselves against fresh fruit.

363 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:51:37am

re: #302 Lucius Septimius

God I miss Buckley.

I just finished listening to an audio book read by the author, Christopher Buckley. Losing Mum and Pup: A Memoir. I had asked about it here on LGF, but didn't get a response. I went ahead and got it, and I'll recommend it. It's really an inside look that you couldn't get anywhere else.

364 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:52:30am

You know how much trouble Obama is in by the spinners that show up to defend him. Tad Devine was on Chris Wallace's panel Sunday. The more we see Carville, Begala, Devine, and Lanny Davis, the deeper the trouble.

365 Baier  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:52:31am

re: #352 Drider

Becks ratings are through the roof at the moment, he isn't going anywhere thankfully.

Glenn Beck is going away, thankfully. What good are ratings if you can't monetize them?

366 Kragar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:52:36am

re: #351 OldLineTexan

The DVDs in the upstairs gameroom have starting hunting VHS tapes with sharp sticks. The population downstairs has not yet exhibited this adaptive behavior.

/

I overheard some teens over the weekend who wanted to know what the little boxes the guys in some TV show were holding. They were VHS tapes.

367 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:53:46am

re: #358 Lucius Septimius

That's my problem -- no VHS tapes in the house. If they are predators and there is no constant source of food they must die. Either that or they've opted to become sedentary filter feeders.

I had tons of VHS tapes. Most are now gone, but some have yet to be given away and/or replaced with DVDs. Some of them are rarities that aren't available on DVD (yet).

368 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:53:57am

re: #363 Silvergirl

I just finished listening to an audio book read by the author, Christopher Buckley. Losing Mum and Pup: A Memoir. I had asked about it here on LGF, but didn't get a response. I went ahead and got it, and I'll recommend it. It's really an inside look that you couldn't get anywhere else.

My mother-in-law gave me a copy for Father's Day, which struck me as an odd gift. Having lost my father and father-in-law within a span of 3 weeks it resonates. It is a good book.

369 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:54:26am

re: #359 Abu Al-Poopypants

You don't happen to be a frequent poster on a particula prog-rock site, do you?

Nope. I'm sure I'm far from the only one who's disconnected themselves from the TV feed.

370 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:54:38am

re: #367 JamesTKirk

I had tons of VHS tapes. Most are now gone, but some have yet to be given away and/or replaced with DVDs. Some of them are rarities that aren't available on DVD (yet).

Kirk and I both refuse to give up our "Wee Sing" tapes until we have DVDs. And that goes double for my Teletubbies collection.

371 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:54:40am

I'm pretty sure I still have some Beta tapes stashed away somewhere.

372 LGoPs  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:54:43am

re: #355 Charles

I would never try to take away your right to support extremism and conspiracy theories.

I don't support extremism or conspiracy theories. That is your construct and you are misapplying it when you apply it to me.

373 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:55:27am

Behind the Carnage in Baghdad

As security deteriorates in Baghdad, there's a new cause for worry: The head of the U.S.-trained Iraqi National Intelligence Service (INIS) has quit in a long-running quarrel with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki -- depriving that country of a key leader in the fight against sectarian terrorism.

Gen. Mohammed Shahwani, the head of Iraqi intelligence since 2004, resigned this month because of what he viewed as Maliki's attempts to undermine his service and allow Iranian spies to operate freely. The CIA, which has worked closely with Shahwani since he went into exile in the 1990s and has spent hundreds of millions of dollars training the INIS, was apparently caught by surprise by his departure.

374 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:56:04am

re: #372 LGoPs

I don't support extremism or conspiracy theories. That is your construct and you are misapplying it when you apply it to me.

If you support Glenn Beck, you are supporting extremism and conspiracy theories.

375 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:56:04am

re: #370 OldLineTexan

Kirk and I both refuse to give up our "Wee Sing" tapes until we have DVDs. And that goes double for my Teletubbies collection.

Grrr. It was my wife who introduced Teletubbies to Kirk, jr.

376 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:56:14am

re: #369 JamesTKirk

Nope. I'm sure I'm far from the only one who's disconnected themselves from the TV feed.

The guy I had in mind also uses terms like frelling in place of actual words. Sorry, never mind.

377 Kragar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:56:44am

re: #369 JamesTKirk

Nope. I'm sure I'm far from the only one who's disconnected themselves from the TV feed.

I watch the occasional movie on DVR right now, usually off of cable. I can't recall the last time I sat down to watch any network TV. Its all either reality crap, unfunny comedy or stupid melodramas.

378 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:57:06am

re: #375 JamesTKirk

Grrr. It was my wife who introduced Teletubbies to Kirk, jr.

Look, I lived through Barney, too, OK? It was a hellish period to be a parent of small children.

379 Wendya  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:57:07am

re: #369 JamesTKirk

Nope. I'm sure I'm far from the only one who's disconnected themselves from the TV feed.

4.5 years now.

380 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:57:20am

re: #375 JamesTKirk

Grrr. It was my wife who introduced Teletubbies to Kirk, jr.

No Teletubbies in our house, thank heavens. Unfortunately "Dora the Explorer" made it through the gate while I wasn't looking. It's insidious.

Of course oldest boy now wants to watch Ice Road Truckers.

381 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:57:36am

re: #363 Silvergirl

I read a very positive review of that book. I'll put it on my list.

382 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:57:40am

re: #376 Abu Al-Poopypants

The guy I had in mind also uses terms like frelling in place of actual words. Sorry, never mind.

Also common.

You're not the first to think that they recognized me from somewhere else; but so far, nobody (at least, nobody who has come out and asked) has been right.

383 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:57:53am

re: #380 Lucius Septimius

No Teletubbies in our house, thank heavens. Unfortunately "Dora the Explorer" made it through the gate while I wasn't looking. It's insidious.

Of course oldest boy now wants to watch Ice Road Truckers.

The lady trucker this year, Lisa, is quite a looker.

384 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:58:12am

re: #378 OldLineTexan

Look, I lived through Barney, too, OK? It was a hellish period to be a parent of small children.

Barney is one that we both agreed to ban from the household.

385 Drider  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:58:17am

re: #365 Baier

At present the people bailing on Fox news are not bailing on Fox news, they are switching slots with other advertisers who won't be swayed by this boycott and especially Fox news itself of who is the real target of The Color of Change.

386 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:58:22am

re: #383 Jetpilot1101

The lady trucker this year, Lisa, is quite a looker.

I think that's why he watches it. That and to chuckle when people screw up.

387 Kragar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:58:31am

re: #380 Lucius Septimius

No Teletubbies in our house, thank heavens. Unfortunately "Dora the Explorer" made it through the gate while I wasn't looking. It's insidious.

Of course oldest boy now wants to watch Ice Road Truckers.

"I'm the Map! I'm the Map! I'm the Map! I'm the Map!"

The Map is evil. EEE-VIL!

388 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:58:39am

re: #260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Her? NAME, gimme a name!

389 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:58:52am

Will There Be Outrage?

I haven't read the IG report yet, I've just seen a few write ups and excerpts around here and other places. Without getting into the substance of the controversy, I'm doubting that there will be a lot of popular outrage over any of the allegations of abuse. Right or wrong, I think the average American assumes that some rough stuff goes on behind the scenes and that's okay. One reason for that assumption is that Hollywood tells us so every day.

I've long been fascinated with the disconnect between what pundits, politicians and various activist groups complain about and the status of interrogation techniques in the popular culture (here's a column I did on the subject in 2005). In countless films and TV shows the good guys — not the bad guys — do things to get important information that makes all some [see update] of the harsh methods and allegedly criminal techniques in the IG report seem like an extra scoop of ice cream and a Swedish massage. In NYPD Blue, The Wire, The Unit, 24 and on and on, suspects are beaten, threatened, terrified. In some instances they are simply straight-up tortured. In movies, too, this stuff is commonplace. In Patriot Games, Harrison Ford shot a man in the kneecap to get the information he needed in a timely manner. In Rules of Engagement, Samuel L. Jackson shot a POW in the head to get another man to talk. In Guarding Tess, Nick Cage blows off a wimpy little man's toes until he talks. In The Untouchables Sean Connery conducts a mock execution.

For the record, I am not Jonah Goldberg.

390 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:59:21am

re: #373 Ben Hur

That is significant:

"...Maliki's attempts to undermine his service and allow Iranian spies to operate freely."

I fear Obama will let Iraq slide back into chaos once again.

Naturally, he will blame Bush when it does.

391 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:59:33am

re: #387 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"I'm the Map! I'm the Map! I'm the Map! I'm the Map!"

The Map is evil. EEE-VIL!

My kids and I make up Dora songs that would not be allowed on the show.

392 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:59:44am

re: #379 Wendya

4.5 years now.

6¼ years. That's when the last show I watched on TV ended its run.

Anything I watched subsequent to that was on DVD and/or internet download.

393 captdiggs  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:59:56am

I find Beck to be bombastic and childish., so I don't watch. But there's still something vague creepy about a political campaign against a TV show.

394 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:59:58am

re: #389 Ben Hur

Will There Be Outrage?

For the record, I am not Jonah Goldberg.

No, he's taller.

395 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:00:28am

re: #380 Lucius Septimius

No Teletubbies in our house, thank heavens. Unfortunately "Dora the Explorer" made it through the gate while I wasn't looking. It's insidious.

Of course oldest boy now wants to watch Ice Road Truckers.

Dora was another veto. I saw it when I was visiting some friends of mine with kids, shortly before I became a parent, and that show was melting my brain.

396 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:00:49am

re: #391 OldLineTexan

My kids and I make up Dora songs that would not be allowed on the show.

LOL! Us too.

"Oh no, Boots! It's the INS agent! Salta!"

397 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:01:07am

re: #379 Wendya

4.5 years now.

6 years for me now. I have rabbit ears for when I want to watch local news.

398 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:01:08am

Well, I am interested in what Glen Beck has to say. I may think he acts quite over the top, but I am glad he has uncovered the information about the "czars"--and I do think Obama has a problem with "typical white folks." I am hoping that his antics don't obscure the facts--which I believe is important for us to know.

399 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:01:32am

re: #395 JamesTKirk

Dora was another veto. I saw it when I was visiting some friends of mine with kids, shortly before I became a parent, and that show was melting my brain.

It was a gift from a grandmother that appeared while I was six states away.

400 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:01:58am

re: #384 JamesTKirk

that's funny! Ban Barney--eww. It drove me MAD when he was the favorite du jour.

401 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:02:19am

re: #392 JamesTKirk

6¼ years. That's when the last show I watched on TV ended its run.


You didn't even watch SG1 when its 2 main actors moved over there?

402 Kragar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:02:25am

re: #391 OldLineTexan

My kids and I make up Dora songs that would not be allowed on the show.

"I hate you, You hate me, we're a disfunctional family"

403 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:02:36am

re: #399 Lucius Septimius

It was a gift from a grandmother that appeared while I was six states away.

My wife managed to "lose" a present from my mother that she didn't want to give to our son.

404 Land Shark  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:02:38am

The thing that keeps bothering me is that while the right continues to waste it's time on foolish kookery, there are so many legitimate issues Obama can be hammered on. He's corrupt and incompetent, and a liar of the first order. He keeps appointing czars to run things so they escape Congressional scrutiny. Instead of wasting time on investigating his birth certificate, why not investigate his Chicago past? I bet there are many skeletons in that closet, you don't get to be a golden child in Chi-town politics without going along with that machine's corrupt ways.

Imagine if all those so called journalists who went to Wasila to dig up garbage on Sarah Palin had gone to Chicago and done some digging of their own? Do you think if Obama was a Republican the MSM would have accepted his word that he had nothing to do with Blaggo's "pay to play" scheme for Obama's old Senate seat? Now there's one story that died way to quickly for my taste, I would have liked to see somebody really look in to that one. You know if Obama was GOP the New York Times would have been running regular stories wondering how could he run 2 of Blaggo's campaign's yet have nothing to do with his corruption. Of course, since Obama has the magic D for Delightful and Delicious after his name, fugetaboutit.

But Glenn Beck has to call Obama a racist. And right wing kooks keep chasing that silly birth certificate non-story...

405 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:02:40am

re: #399 Lucius Septimius

..and if one could ban songs? I would ban "It's a Small World After All"...arrrgh.

406 garycooper  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:02:53am
Youtube Video

If you enjoy the stylings of one Glenn Beck, you may also be entranced by the dulcet tones of Mr. Glenn Moon. This is a local guy, running for city council in the city just to the east of mine.

New meaning to the word "moonbat." ;)

407 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:03:06am

re: #402 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"I hate you, You hate me, we're a disfunctional family"

"I eat you, you eat me, we're a carnivorous fa-mi-ly"

/real dinosaur-based education

408 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:03:17am

re: #402 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think this has a "Barney" rhythm, no?

409 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:03:25am

re: #394 Lucius Septimius

No, he's taller.

I doubt it.

410 Kragar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:03:27am

re: #401 Abu Al-Poopypants

You didn't even watch SG1 when its 2 main actors moved over there?

I was pissed they cancelled Farscape and kept SG-1 on, so I refused to watch it at the time.

411 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:03:34am

re: #405 katemaclaren

..and if one could ban songs? I would ban "It's a Small World After All"...arrrgh.

We've been to Disneyworld. He didn't pick up on that song, thankfully.

412 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:03:34am

re: #407 OldLineTexan

Witty as always OLT!!!

413 LGoPs  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:03:39am

re: #374 Charles

If you support Glenn Beck, you are supporting extremism and conspiracy theories.

I am against talk of him being removed from the air. Like I said earlier I don't watch him often but I defend his right to be heard. If some of what he supports is wrong, the marketplace of ideas will prevail and his ideas will be defeated. It is the extreme left that can't abide opposing views and wants them silenced.

414 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #409 Ben Hur

I doubt it.

He's a big guy.

415 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:04:08am

re: #412 katemaclaren

Witty as always OLT!!!

Thank you, but not original to me at all.

416 ~Fianna  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:04:12am

re: #379 Wendya

4.5 years now.

About that for us, too.

417 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:04:23am

re: #411 JamesTKirk

It makes a spot in your brain rather like something from Alien. It lives there and comes out at unexpected times--whistling, humming...a coma.

418 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:04:24am

re: #414 Lucius Septimius

He's a big guy.

Whereas I am a big goy.

/

419 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:04:34am

Barack Obama's top pet peeves

It was one of those nonstop days: President Barack Obama was flying back to Washington from Los Angeles to meet President Mahmoud Abbas, then he was scheduled to tape an interview for "The Colbert Report" and sit down for his regular briefing with advisers. But he was missing something equally important: one of his daughters’ concerts at school.

Read it all.

420 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:04:42am

re: #415 OldLineTexan

Well dang, there goes the upding.

421 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:04:45am

OK, back to the homeschooling treadmill.

Marco Polo this week. No pool, unfortunately.

422 Wendya  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:05:14am

re: #385 Drider

especially Fox news itself of who is the real target of The Color of Change.

Exactly. If it weren't Beck, it would be another host. The "boycott FoxNews", "boycott O'Reilly" movements have been going on for years now. Like the Whole Foods boycott, they are destined for failure.

423 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:05:52am

re: #34 cybermonk

Dude- get a grip. You are not living in WND's fantasy America where the Constitution is meaningless.

424 gregb  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:05:56am

re: #360 Last Mohican

Official new algorithm for analyzing any person's idea about any subject

He who controls the language controls the debate.

425 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:06:04am

re: #379 Wendya

Did you get a package?

426 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:06:27am

re: #419 Ben Hur

Aww. He missed his kid's recital because he was busy ball-washing Abu Mazen. So sad.

427 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:06:43am

Some people seem to be assuming that I'm in favor of this boycott -- when I haven't written a single word approving of it.

For the record, I'm not a fan of any boycotts from the left or the right. But Color of Change is exercising their First Amendment rights, just like Glenn Beck does. The advertisers who've pulled their ads made their own choices to do it, for their own reasons.

But it speaks volumes that so many advertisers have dropped Beck, and they aren't doing it because they're afraid of Color of Change. They're doing it because Glenn Beck consistently goes way over the line of reason into hate speech, extremism, and plain kookiness.

428 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:07:06am

re: #414 Lucius Septimius

He's a big guy.

How big?

429 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:07:06am

re: #377 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I watch the occasional movie on DVR right now, usually off of cable. I can't recall the last time I sat down to watch any network TV. Its all either reality crap, unfunny comedy or stupid melodramas.

The only network show I've seen in years is Dollhouse, Joss Whedon's latest show. And that's on Fox.
I consider "syfy" to be a cable channel, not a regular network.
The rest of what I watch is Discovery, History, Military, etc.

430 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:07:51am

re: #429 Kosh's Shadow

The only network show I've seen in years is Dollhouse, Joss Whedon's latest show. And that's on Fox.
I consider "syfy" to be a cable channel, not a regular network.
The rest of what I watch is Discovery, History, Military, etc.

LOST rules!

431 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:07:53am

re: #426 Abu Al-Poopypants

Aww. He missed his kid's recital because he was busy ball-washing Abu Mazen. So sad.

It was EQUALLY as important!

SILENCE!

432 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:08:23am

"... the Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned. While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy." Barack Hussein Obama

Boycotting Beck I would say is "economic freedom".

I don't think BHO understands what 'freedom' means...

433 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:08:33am
434 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09:03am

re: #428 Ben Hur

How big?

He's certainly over six feet. I was sort of surprised.

435 Kragar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09:32am

re: #429 Kosh's Shadow

The only network show I've seen in years is Dollhouse, Joss Whedon's latest show. And that's on Fox.
I consider "syfy" to be a cable channel, not a regular network.
The rest of what I watch is Discovery, History, Military, etc.

Been watching old shows on Hulu, passing on TV

436 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:09:39am

re: #430 Walter L. Newton

LOST rules!

I missed it at the beginning, and there is too much to catch up on right now.

437 ~Fianna  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:10:02am

re: #393 captdiggs

I find Beck to be bombastic and childish., so I don't watch. But there's still something vague creepy about a political campaign against a TV show.

A lot of the advertisers don't want their brand associated with anything controversial. Anything that might annoy a potential buyer or tie their brand to something that might annoy a potential buyer is dangerous. It all comes down to money - could it potentially cost us more money to counteract the negatives from associating our brand with this content or will we make money from the people who are watching this show?

Few marketers wants to be involved in controversy. There are some brands that benefit from being "edgy". Insurance isn't one of them.

438 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:10:17am

re: #429 Kosh's Shadow

The only network show I've seen in years is Dollhouse, Joss Whedon's latest show. And that's on Fox.

And the internet.

re: #392 JamesTKirk

6¼ years. That's when the last show I watched on TV ended its run.

I'm surprised nobody asked me what show that was...

439 JohnnyReb  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:10:32am

re: #432 Oh no...Sand People!

"... the Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned. While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy." Barack Hussein Obama

Boycotting Beck I would say is "economic freedom".

I don't think BHO understands what 'freedom' means...

Money quote above. He understands completely what he wants and any kind of freedom is not in the cards.

440 Wendya  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:10:33am

re: #425 Walter L. Newton

Did you get a package?

Yes! Thank you so very much!

441 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:10:55am

re: #434 Lucius Septimius

He's certainly over six feet. I was sort of surprised.

Conan O'brian is ta;;.

Not many tall peeps on TV

442 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:11:10am

re: #433 buzzsawmonkey

If you've lost the rules, the boardgame is useless.

You're Monopolizing all of the Punchlines.

443 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:11:31am

re: #430 Walter L. Newton

LOST rules!

Isn't that what happened to the Greatest American Hero? He lost the rules?

444 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:11:32am

re: #436 Kosh's Shadow

I missed it at the beginning, and there is too much to catch up on right now.

No. Buy the DVD sets of seasons 1-4 now, watch them and in Dec. 2009, buy season 5 when it's released and watch it before season 6 (the final season) starts in Feb. 2010.

Also, you'll have to quit your job and forget about any social activity for the next 5 months.

//

445 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:11:40am

re: #438 JamesTKirk

I'm surprised nobody asked me what show that was...

So you missed Joss Whedon's other shows, like Firefly.
And Dollhouse. Not as good as Firefly, though; for one thing, there is no character in Dollhouse that I actually care about, but I do want to see what is really going on. Of course, the "Rossum Corporation" is a giant hint.

446 ~Fianna  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:11:49am

re: #413 LGoPs

I am against talk of him being removed from the air. Like I said earlier I don't watch him often but I defend his right to be heard. If some of what he supports is wrong, the marketplace of ideas will prevail and his ideas will be defeated. It is the extreme left that can't abide opposing views and wants them silenced.

I feel that Beck has a right to his own opinion.

He DOES NOT have a right to his own facts.

447 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:12:29am

re: #442 SasquatchOnSteroids

You're Monopolizing all of the Punchlines.

Sorry for the trouble and the aggravation!

448 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:12:46am

re: #442 SasquatchOnSteroids

You're Monopolizing all of the Punchlines.

He's Sorry. It's a hard Scrabble kind of Life.

449 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:12:51am

re: #371 Abu Al-Poopypants

I'm pretty sure I still have some Beta tapes stashed away somewhere.

I still have a machine, the SL-HF900, one of the most expensive ones they ever made (Ctrl-S editing capability, jog dial, etc.). Original retail was $1300, and I bought it in 1986 for $288 (display model) at a dept. store's warehouse sale. Only the SL-HF-750 and SL-HF-1000 (later models) were better machines.

450 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:12:57am

re: #424 gregb

I like that.

451 Land Shark  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:13:29am

re: #427 Charles

Exactly. If people want to boycott something it's their right. The First Ammendment and all that.

I seem to recall some liberals set up a website to help liberals support companies that leaned Democrat and boycott those who leaned Republican. I think it was called Buy Blue or something along those lines.

452 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:13:36am

re: #445 Kosh's Shadow

So you missed Joss Whedon's other shows, like Firefly.
And Dollhouse. Not as good as Firefly, though; for one thing, there is no character in Dollhouse that I actually care about, but I do want to see what is really going on. Of course, the "Rossum Corporation" is a giant hint.

I bought Firefly on DVD. I watched Dollhouse on the Internet (I plan to get the DVDs eventually). So yes, I have watched them. I did miss the last season or two (I have no idea when it ended) of Angel.

453 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:13:49am

re: #444 Walter L. Newton

No. Buy the DVD sets of seasons 1-4 now, watch them and in Dec. 2009, buy season 5 when it's released and watch it before season 6 (the final season) starts in Feb. 2010.

Also, you'll have to quit your job and forget about any social activity for the next 5 months.

//

That's the problem. I don't have that kind of time.
Now, if I could get an infinite massive rotating cylinder, I could make a Tipler time machine, go back in time, and have plenty of time to watch it.
Or maybe one of those things Hermione had in the 3rd Harry Potter book/movie.

454 tradewind  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:13:55am

It's not rocket science... it's the bottom line. If more advertisers pull their sponsorship than remain or step in to replace him, he'll be gone, no matter who he is.
Without commenting on Beck, however, it's SOP in the P/R department of large corporations to announce ad pulls from controversial programming to avoid the firestorm from irate groups and their mail. It's a very fluid situation, though, and checking back some time later often finds those same sponsors back in the saddle again, without the fanfare and announcement.

455 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:14:00am

re: #437 ~Fianna

A lot of the advertisers don't want their brand associated with anything controversial...

[snip]

Really? Aprtial list of MSNBC sponsors...

Toyota
Verizon
Nutrisystem
Avis
AIG Term Life
Coldwell Bankers
Venus Breeze
Geico
O’lay
Jimmy Dean Sausages
lawyers Weitz & Luxenburg, NY
Sudafed
Video Professor
Natural’s Cat Chow, Purina
Merneke Car Care Center
Am. Express
Travel Companion on CNN
Crystal Light
Infiniti Car
Vonage Phone
Dyson Vacuum
Eharmony
Cepacol
Hyundi Car
U.S. Buildings
Boeing
Progessive.Com
Direct TV
Colonial Penn Life Insurance
Indulg-a-Bath
Stop IRS Debt
HSBC Direct Financial Inst
U.S. Airforce
Aleve
Progresso Soup
Subaru
Spiriva
Cooking Lite
Steak-umns Burgers
Infiniti
Scalpcin
Mama Lucia Meat Balls
Sea Bond
Financial Freedom, reverse mortgage
eDiets Meal Delivery
Aqua Velvet
Citracal

But of course, we've never seen ANYTHING controversial on MSNBC.

Sure!

456 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:14:00am

re: #448 scottishbuzzsaw

He's Sorry. It's a hard Scrabble kind of Life.

Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

457 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:14:11am

re: #427 Charles

But it speaks volumes that so many advertisers have dropped Beck, and they aren't doing it because they're afraid of Color of Change. They're doing it because Glenn Beck consistently goes way over the line of reason into hate speech, extremism, and plain kookiness.

Exactly. There's a difference between being afraid of a group and just simply being made aware of a problem. Beck's program is a problem because some will associate their products with his show, or assume they approve of his kookiness by advertising on his show. The advertisers may not have known exactly how kooky Beck was until they were made aware of it. Most telling of all is how these same advertisers are still advertising on FNC, just not on Glenn Beck's show.

458 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:14:19am

re: #432 Oh no...Sand People!

Where did you get this quote? I would like to see the context. It seems to be a little warning of things to come. Thanks for posting it.

459 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:14:20am

Irony: Me having a job interview tomorrow at Whole Foods:) This statement is TRUE!!

460 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:14:39am

re: #422 Wendya

Exactly. If it weren't Beck, it would be another host. The "boycott FoxNews", "boycott O'Reilly" movements have been going on for years now. Like the Whole Foods boycott, they are destined for failure.

Maybe Beck should start hawking Israeli olive oil.

/from whole foods

461 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:14:39am

re: #452 JamesTKirk

I like FIREFLY!--and your nic!

462 Aye Pod  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:14:45am

Being such a comedian, Beck should appear on his show in a clown costume.

463 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:14:54am

re: #451 Land Shark

Exactly. If people want to boycott something it's their right. The First Ammendment and all that.

I seem to recall some liberals set up a website to help liberals support companies that leaned Democrat and boycott those who leaned Republican. I think it was called Buy Blue or something along those lines.

Yep. Great thing was, it was also a great resource for conservatives. You just had to use it backwards.

464 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:14:58am

re: #446 ~Fianna

I feel that Beck has a right to his own opinion.

He DOES NOT have a right to his own facts.

I feel Olbermann has a right to his own opinion.

He DOES NOT have a right to his own facts.

True in all cases.

465 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:15:04am

re: #427 Charles

Reminds me of the other boycotts from the usual suspects against:

Disney
McDonalds
Ford Motor Company
Pepsico

It's an endless list. I don't remember if they ever organized a boycott over the Teletubies.

466 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:15:07am

re: #453 Kosh's Shadow

That's the problem. I don't have that kind of time.
Now, if I could get an infinite massive rotating cylinder, I could make a Tipler time machine, go back in time, and have plenty of time to watch it.
Or maybe one of those things Hermione had in the 3rd Harry Potter book/movie.

You just went over my head, don't know your references.

467 kansas  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:15:28am

Excellent news. After announcing a 9 trillion dollar deficit on Friday, the media announces that Obama will "further reduce" the deficit. I feel dizzy.

468 Wendya  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:15:45am

re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar

Irony: Me having a job interview tomorrow at Whole Foods:) This statement is TRUE!!

It's supposed to be a great place to work.

469 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:15:54am

re: #452 JamesTKirk

I bought Firefly on DVD. I watched Dollhouse on the Internet (I plan to get the DVDs eventually). So yes, I have watched them. I did miss the last season or two (I have no idea when it ended) of Angel.

The Dollhouse DVD set has an unreleased pilot, and an episode that takes place 10-13 years after the show. I haven't seen those yet, but I will before the season starts. (I had missed some of the episodes, so I'm catching up.)
Definitely a show for eye candy.

470 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:16:22am

I started "boycotting" Fox News a couple years ago when I cancelled cable television service. I'm also boycotting cnn and msnbc. Also talk radio. I find I prefer thinking for myself instead of being given opinions by narcissists. I recommend it.

471 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:16:31am

re: #468 Wendya

I'll ask one more time. Did you get a package?

472 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:16:52am

re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have been shopping MORE at Whole Foods--and telling the clerk at the checkout WHY. That store is expensive, but I like Mr. Mackey (spelling?)

473 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:17:17am

re: #461 katemaclaren

I like FIREFLY!--and your nic!

Firefly is one of the best shows created recently, so naturally it couldn't survive the cesspool of network television.

474 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:17:22am

re: #465 Gus 802

Reminds me of the other boycotts from the usual suspects against:

Disney
McDonalds
Ford Motor Company
Pepsico

It's an endless list. I don't remember if they ever organized a boycott over the Teletubies.

Well, Teletubbies is on PBS, so they'd have to boycott foundations.

475 Land Shark  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:17:34am

re: #463 JamesTKirk

Yep. Great thing was, it was also a great resource for conservatives. You just had to use it backwards.

You're right. It works both ways, I'm sure many conservatives did just that.

476 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:17:45am

re: #457 Honorary Yooper

Exactly. There's a difference between being afraid of a group and just simply being made aware of a problem. Beck's program is a problem because some will associate their products with his show, or assume they approve of his kookiness by advertising on his show. The advertisers may not have known exactly how kooky Beck was until they were made aware of it. Most telling of all is how these same advertisers are still advertising on FNC, just not on Glenn Beck's show.

It should be noted the UPS Store did pull all its advertisements from Fox for now.

477 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:18:00am

re: #404 Land Shark
Well

Imagine if all those so called journalists who went to Wasila to dig up garbage on Sarah Palin had gone to Chicago and done some digging of their own? Do you think if Obama was a Republican the MSM would have accepted his word that he had nothing to do with Blaggo's "pay to play" scheme for Obama's old Senate seat? Now there's one story that died way to quickly for my taste, I would have liked to see somebody really look in to that one. You know if Obama was GOP the New York Times would have been running regular stories wondering how could he run 2 of Blaggo's campaign's yet have nothing to do with his corruption.


how would you propose anything found in Obama's past be presented to the American People? Think MSNBC would run with it? ABC? CBS? NYT?, WaPo? Not a chance.
He is an untouchable and will remain so until unemployment and underemployment no longer can be blamed on Bush by the MSM and HuffPoo and Kos.
But once those Millions and Millions of Americans DO wake up to the fact that the Stimulus Bill didn't work, that Cap and Trade will only result in higher bills for them, that the various Health Care and Health Insurance proposals will either cost them more money or deny or greatly slow down the delivery of needed medical services, then, MAYBE we'll hear about it.

478 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:18:03am

re: #467 kansas

Excellent news. After announcing a 9 trillion dollar deficit on Friday, the media announces that Obama will "further reduce" the deficit. I feel dizzy.

Thud!

479 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:18:36am

re: #473 JamesTKirk

Firefly is one of the best shows created recently, so naturally it couldn't survive the cesspool of network television.

What, it's a shallow space-opera-high-noon-lost-in-space piece of pap.

480 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:18:40am

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

You just went over my head, don't know your references.

The Tipler Time Machine is actual physics - theoretically, it might be possible to travel back in time with the aid of an infinite massive rotating cylinder. However, since making such an object is impossible, that is a bit of a problem.

In the third Harry Potter book/movie, there was a magical device that allowed some limited time travel.

481 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:18:50am

re: #453 Kosh's Shadow

re: #466 Walter L. Newton
You just went over my head, don't know your references.

That's the problem. I don't have that kind of time.
Now, if I could get an infinite massive rotating cylinder, I could make a Tipler time machine, go back in time, and have plenty of time to watch it.
Or maybe one of those things Hermione had in the 3rd Harry Potter book/movie.

I get all the references, although you might have an easier time getting your hands on a phone booth or a DeLorean.

482 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:19:06am

re: #474 Ward Cleaver

Well, Teletubbies is on PBS, so they'd have to boycott foundations.

IIRC, didn't one of the religious right groups (Focus on the Family, I think) try a boycott of PBS due to a certain Teletubbie being considered gay?

483 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:19:08am

re: #455 Walter L. Newton

I don't blame them! That's why there's not many on MSNBC!
Kidding aside, though, if I had a company that did business nationwide--I wouldn't want to advertise on controversial shows--unless I was pushing what they're pushing.

484 ~Fianna  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:19:08am

re: #455 Walter L. Newton

Really? Aprtial list of MSNBC sponsors...

485 JohnnyReb  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:19:11am

re: #467 kansas

Excellent news. After announcing a 9 trillion dollar deficit on Friday, the media announces that Obama will "further reduce" the deficit. I feel dizzy.

You just don't understand Economics. See if you add $2 trillion to the amount of debt that you initially said you have, but you do it on a Friday night when no one is watching, then you have actually reduced the national debt thereby rendering the extra trillion you are asking for to fix health care into a net gain of $1 trillion. See it's pretty simple.

486 Floppydusk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:19:16am

I may not like what you say but I will defend to the death my politically coercive methods to shut you up.

487 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:19:33am

re: #474 Ward Cleaver

Well, Teletubbies is on PBS, so they'd have to boycott foundations.

OK, that would explain the PBS boycott I came across. Apparently they also get their knickers in a twist over the creationist magic that PBS refuses to endorse.

488 Wendya  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:19:34am

re: #471 Walter L. Newton

I'll ask one more time. Did you get a package?

Yes, see my #440.

489 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:19:37am

re: #467 kansas

Excellent news. After announcing a 9 trillion dollar deficit on Friday, the media announces that Obama will "further reduce" the deficit. I feel dizzy.

He will reduce it from 16 trillion to 12 trillion. That's how government accounting works.

490 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:19:44am

re: #474 Ward Cleaver

There was a considerable amount of controversy over the Teletubbies when they first arrived on US television.

491 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:19:51am

re: #471 Walter L. Newton

I'll ask one more time. Did you get a package?

She didn't get a package from me...

492 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:20:02am

re: #479 Walter L. Newton

What, it's a shallow space-opera-high-noon-lost-in-space piece of pap.

Is Doctor Smith on it?

/oh, the pain, the pain...

493 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:20:35am

re: #484 ~Fianna

Really? Aprtial list of MSNBC sponsors...

I know, I mistyped. Your point?

494 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:20:51am

re: #482 Honorary Yooper

IIRC, didn't one of the religious right groups (Focus on the Family, I think) try a boycott of PBS due to a certain Teletubbie being considered gay?

Tinky Winky, who carried a bag of magic tricks. They thought it was a purse. FAIL.

495 Dahveed  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:20:56am

I don't know if this was discussed anywhere else previously, but Fouad Ajami of John Hopkins University has a great opinion piece in the Wall Street Journalregarding the Obama presidency so far. He pretty much says that the campaign was based on charisma and now the charisma has passed.

496 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:21:04am

re: #481 JamesTKirk

I get all the references, although you might have an easier time getting your hands on a phone booth or a DeLorean.

I think the police boxes are long gone. And it is even harder to find one bigger inside than outside.

497 ~Fianna  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:21:12am

re: #464 SasquatchOnSteroids

I feel Olbermann has a right to his own opinion.

He DOES NOT have a right to his own facts.

True in all cases.

Absolutely. Facts tend to be fairly immutable. Interpretations can vary in ways that are honest, but quote-mining, scare tactics and bald-faced lies don't help anyone. I disapprove no matter which "side" is doing the lying.

498 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:21:20am

re: #488 Wendya

Yes, see my #440.

Sorry, I miss that. I guess I was paying to much attention to my wonderful self and missed your reply. :)

499 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:21:52am

re: #476 Sharmuta

I looked them up and made a call to their public relations person (Rebecca)--and sent a follow up e-mail. Those of us who have little businesses and use the UPS store--are not pleased with this unilateral decision on their part. I suggested that it was a poor business strategy considering the audience reached.

500 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:22:15am

And the Beatles:

1966

The Beatles’ tour in the Far East in June 1966 was a firm indication of that “Beatlemania” was going sour. There were riots in the Philippines when the group unintentionally snubbed the country’s first lady. The backlash spread to the U.S. when John’s remark “The Beatles are now more popular than Jesus” was misquoted in the press. John was pointed out as a Satanist and a Beatles boycott broke out. American TV- and radio-stations urged the public to take their Beatles-records and Beatles-souvenirs and throw them away. Touring had now become intolerable. It was like a terrible prison for them. They made their concerts and then they went back to their hotel rooms again, locking themselves up. Nobody except themselves knew how terrible it was, they were totally isolated. The boys wanted to spend more time in the studio and live a more normal life. On the 29th of August 1966 The Beatles made their last live-concert ever. It took place in Candlestick Park in San Francisco. It marked the end of an era, and the beginning of a new on

501 Wendya  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:22:20am

re: #490 katemaclaren

There was a considerable amount of controversy over the Teletubbies when they first arrived on US television.

Jerry Falwell urged a boycott of Tinky Winky for being a stealth homosexual.

502 Drider  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:22:32am

I don't have a problem with anyone rights and if boycotts is their bag then so be it.

Then again if a high ranking Czar was affiliated, even heavily affiliated with the boycott people in question than I think we can "hopefully" agree that this could be simply a thug political push controlled by a politicians pitbull, at the very least there is a big conflict of interest unless nobody is interested.

503 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:23:08am

re: #485 JohnnyReb

My mantra? "Protect me from my protectors."

504 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:23:27am

re: #490 katemaclaren

There was a considerable amount of controversy over the Teletubbies when they first arrived on US television.

Tinky Winky was considered a gay icon in the UK, and had many gay fans. This was a fact, and it was mentioned in articles around the time the show crossed the pond. And then when Jerry Falwell made a comment about it, everybody tossed all of that down the memory hole and acted like he had made it up.

(It was still not the smartest thing Falwell has said or done, mind you.)

505 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:23:52am

re: #501 Wendya

Yep. I remember. I think it was a Sesame Street plot led by Big Bird.

506 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:24:30am

re: #501 Wendya

Jerry Falwell urged a boycott of Tinky Winky for being a stealth homosexual.

What is a "stealth" homosexual. Someone who comes and goes and you never even noticed.

507 realwest  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:24:31am

Well y'all it's been interesting but I gotta go now. Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

508 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:24:59am

re: #496 Kosh's Shadow

re: #481 JamesTKirk
I get all the references, although you might have an easier time getting your hands on a phone booth or a DeLorean.

I think the police boxes are long gone. And it is even harder to find one bigger inside than outside.

I know that police boxes are long gone, but it's still possible (though not easy) to find a phone booth.

"Be excellent to each other!"
"Party on, dude!"

509 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:25:41am

re: #508 JamesTKirk

I know that police boxes are long gone, but it's still possible (though not easy) to find a phone booth.

"Be excellent to each other!"
"Party on, dude!"

"Station!"

510 Aye Pod  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:25:43am

Glenn Beck's blubbing - is it real or fake?

Youtube Video
511 ~Fianna  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:25:55am

re: #484 ~Fianna

Eep - where'd the rest of that go? I wonder if I didn't pay attention to character limits or something.

I honestly don't know what Olberman's show is like. I don't really like talking head type shows of any stripe since they tend to dumb down the issues to make their own point, and I just want the facts so that I can figure out my own commentary. (also, see above about the not having a tv thing. I only catch things from TV if they get posted to the internet, so my subset of Olberman watching tends to be here when Charles posts something of his, and it's usually funny, usually about Beck or nirther nonsense, so I tend to agree. I'm sure that's not the whole content of the show, and there's plenty that I'd find really annoying, too.)

I also don't think that Olberman has done anything quite as controversial as the things that he's done lately, like being less than condemning about the Tiller murder, the nirther stuff, the death panels and eugenics. If I'm mistaken, it's because I haven't seen it, so if it's happened, accept my apologies in advance.

512 jcm  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:26:27am

re: #489 Kosh's Shadow

He will reduce it from 16 trillion to 12 trillion. That's how government accounting works.

Kosh's 25% from Grandma's social security check!

/ MFMSM headline.

513 ~Fianna  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:26:55am

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

I know, I mistyped. Your point?

I didn't mean that to get cut off there. It wasn't typo snark, and I'm sorry if that came off that way. I responded to your post elsewhere.

PIMF.

514 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:27:06am

re: #453 Kosh's Shadow

You need the T.A.R.D.I.S.
(Time and Relative Dimension In Space)
Call The Doctor, immediately.

515 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:28:04am

re: #508 JamesTKirk
Demise of phone booths mean that
Clark Kent has a real problem these days.

516 Wendya  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:29:09am

re: #506 Walter L. Newton

What is a "stealth" homosexual. Someone who comes and goes and you never even noticed.

Falwell thought there were homosexuals hiding behind every bush ready to jump out and use their "queer mind rays" to convert him.

Or maybe he was hoping that was the case.

517 Annar  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:29:40am

Beck will go when and only when ratings crash. As long as he brings in viewers in large numbers he feeds the lineup that follows even if he only sells used bibles, creationist dinosaurs and model airplane glue.

518 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:29:46am

re: #506 Walter L. Newton

What is a "stealth" homosexual. Someone who comes and goes and you never even noticed.

Apparently it was something that came and went in Falwell's imagination. He must have kept fantasizing about Tinky Winky and gay sex. Or something.

//

519 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:29:56am
520 ~Fianna  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:30:02am

re: #516 Wendya

Falwell thought there were homosexuals hiding behind every bush ready to jump out and use their "queer mind rays" to convert him.

Or maybe he was hoping that was the case.

Are those related to hair rays? I need to figure out how to get hold of that power.

521 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:30:29am

So...

Is cybermonk Beck's producer?

His agent?

522 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:30:43am

re: #508 JamesTKirk

I know that police boxes are long gone, but it's still possible (though not easy) to find a phone booth.

"Be excellent to each other!"
"Party on, dude!"

Ah. Missed that excellent reference, probably because I never saw the whole movie.

523 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:30:52am

re: #498 Walter L. Newton

Walter, you always make me smile.
Bye everyone. Have to get on with creating syllabi for a new semester indoctrinating college students.

524 mollyshark  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:31:02am

Sorry, but I think there are a LOT worse people than Glenn Beck out there mouthing their opinions. I don't agree with all of them by far, but at least I don't sniff any hypocrisy. What are these advertisers so scared of? They all rabid Obama supporters? I doubt it. Scared of losing black customers? I doubt that also. The man stated his opinion. He didn't suggest shooting anyone, rioting in the streets, or violence of any sort. I don't post that much here, but I do read it all every day and I have to admit I find this mentality appalling.

525 Wendya  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:32:04am

re: #520 ~Fianna

Are those related to hair rays? I need to figure out how to get hold of that power.

Hair rays only work on Muslim men.

526 ~Fianna  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:33:27am

re: #525 Wendya

Hair rays only work on Muslim men.

Hmm... in that case, I'd probably cover my hair, too.

527 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:33:35am

re: #522 Kosh's Shadow

Ah. Missed that excellent reference, probably because I never saw the whole movie.

That's actually (the first one) one of the best-constructed time travel movies, because almost everything firs together without paradoxes, loopholes, or inconsistencies in how time travel is handled.

With only one exception (which I missed for a long time) - Rufus (George Carlin) never ever tells Bill and Ted his name. Bill and Ted learned his name from future Bill and Ted, who only knew it because they heard it from future Bill and Ted back when they were present Bill and Ted.

528 HippieforLife  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:35:13am

I think this boycott is wrong. Like Glenn Beck or not, he has a job to do and FNC knew what he was like. If people like him they will watch; if not, then they will not watch. When the right starts boycotting Olbermann's sponsers I won't like that either. The left has plenty of platforms available to argue with Beck. Telling his sponsors not to sponsor his show is because they do not have a strong agrument. Their feelings are hurt. Boo hoo.

529 katemaclaren  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:35:54am

re: #433 buzzsawmonkey

You know, there is a lot of philosophy in that comment. Can I use it? I think my students could spin on that for a little while and see what the implications may be. Good!! Thanks!

530 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:37:00am

re: #514 katemaclaren

You need the T.A.R.D.I.S.
(Time and Relative Dimension In Space)
Call The Doctor, immediately.

The problem is getting home again, especially in the older shows.

Apologies to The Who:

I woke up in a TARDIS doorway
A time lord knew my name
He said "You can go with me tonight
But you can never go home again

I staggered into the control room
where the doc worked the controls
I remember a column moving up and down
And a screeching tore my ears

Doctor, Who are you (who who, who, who)

531 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:38:01am

re: #528 HippieforLife

Telling his sponsors not to sponsor his show is because they do not have a strong agrument. Their feelings are hurt. Boo hoo.

They didn't "tell" his sponsors not to advertise. They asked. The sponsors make their own decisions.

532 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:39:07am
533 jcm  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:40:31am

re: #525 Wendya

Hair rays only work on Muslim men.

Yesterday was a warm sunny days, seems to enhance the effect of hair rays.

;-)

534 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:41:10am

re: #528 HippieforLife

I think this boycott is wrong. Like Glenn Beck or not, he has a job to do and FNC knew what he was like. If people like him they will watch; if not, then they will not watch. When the right starts boycotting Olbermann's sponsers I won't like that either. The left has plenty of platforms available to argue with Beck. Telling his sponsors not to sponsor his show is because they do not have a strong agrument. Their feelings are hurt. Boo hoo.

This is not a boycott in the normal sense. This is simply not wanting to be associated with many of his opinions. Advertisers choose spokes persons all the time if they are admired and liked, but seldom if they are too controversial or just plain assholes.

Advertising on a particular show is only a half step from identifying oneself with that show.

535 SecondComing  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:57:44am

So does this mean less commercials and more of Beck? This might really backfire on them. /half sarc

536 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:03:12am

The somewhat successful attempt to force a boycott of advertisers as an assault on Beck's program is both fascinating and scary at the same time.

It has shades of the religious right going after advertisers during the height of the "moral majority" way back in the day.

Scary as a large group attempting to impose it's will on the networks is, even scarier is finding out that this is a coordinated attack coming from within the administration to stifle unpopular speech.

Whether you agree or disagree with him or not if Beck is forced off the air in this manner by a government connected agency you really have to wonder who is next on the chopping block.

I would also wonder if participating in such a overt boycott attempt, if proven, could be grounds for a law suit pursuant to rights under the 1st Amendment.

537 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:04:28am

re: #458 katemaclaren

Where did you get this quote? I would like to see the context. It seems to be a little warning of things to come. Thanks for posting it.

It's from his, Barack Obama's, own government paper thesis while in college.

[Link: jumpinginpools.blogspot.com...]

538 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:15:50am

Ancestry.com is withdrawing their sponsorship?

I guess all those Mormons will have to find some other online genealogy resource now.

539 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:19:18am

re: #427 Charles

By that line of reasoning why do they still endorse CNN or MSNBC etc after 8 years of kookiness and lies about W followed by "tingly legged" slanted coverage of the O? Why are they still advertising on networks that not only unduly vilified Sarah Palin but continue to go after her to this day?

I do not agree that they are exercising their 1st Amendment right as much as they are attempting to stifle unpopular speech and therefore violating that right for that person. If it was not connected to the administration I would put it up to the same shenanigans the "moral majority" went for in, which, IMO, is not really all that cool either.

540 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:22:08am

re: #539 anotherindyfilmguy

I do not agree that they are exercising their 1st Amendment right as much as they are attempting to stifle unpopular speech and therefore violating that right for that person.

Nonsense. Color for Change has absolutely no power to stifle anyone's speech. And even if they somehow convince Fox News to pull Glenn Beck's show off the air, they still would not have stifled anyone's speech. Glenn Beck could still go to any radio or TV show that would have him and yap away all he wants about the End Times.

Advertisers who pull their ads are making their own decisions where to spend the money -- or not spend their money.

541 jcm  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:22:36am

Glenn Beck is the south end of a north bound mule!

542 Hawaii69  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:39:44am

I'm telling you, it's the Tragedy Hour...

543 Hawaii69  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:40:33am

re: #2 Ben Hur

George Bush hates black people.

Kanye West on national television.

*crickets*

Did he have a show?

544 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:41:16am

re: #536 anotherindyfilmguy

The somewhat successful attempt to force a boycott of advertisers as an assault on Beck's program is both fascinating and scary at the same time.

It has shades of the religious right going after advertisers during the height of the "moral majority" way back in the day.

Scary as a large group attempting to impose it's will on the networks is, even scarier is finding out that this is a coordinated attack coming from within the administration to stifle unpopular speech.

Whether you agree or disagree with him or not if Beck is forced off the air in this manner by a government connected agency you really have to wonder who is next on the chopping block.

I would also wonder if participating in such a overt boycott attempt, if proven, could be grounds for a law suit pursuant to rights under the 1st Amendment.

If he is forced off the air, it would be because the viewers (like me) dump him, not because of advertising alone.

The scenario that you describe would be more accurate if the advertisers said they would not place any ads with Fox until Beck was fired.

This situation doesn't come close to that.

545 Throbert McGee  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:47:06am

♪♫ Schadenfreude, götterfunken!♪♫

/or however the hell that Beethoven ditty goes...

546 leftover54  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:51:45am

re: #30 JamesTKirk

I don't watch TV period, because of all the frelling ads.

Same here - the 'Extendz' (sp?) couple in particular did it for me.Oh - almost forgot about 'Enzyte Bob' and the retro happy whistling. I just wanna know who on this planet they feel they haven't 'got to' yet ?

547 gregb  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:58:02am

re: #450 katemaclaren

I like that.

I think it's Orwell or Orwellian. :-)

548 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:58:13am

re: #20 Ben Hur

Video: Glenn Beck goes after Obama czar … who founded group that’s boycotting him

I take anything from hot air with a major grain of salt.

549 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:59:26am

re: #508 JamesTKirk

I know that police boxes are long gone, but it's still possible (though not easy) to find a phone booth.

"Be excellent to each other!"
"Party on, dude!"

Put them in the Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden!? Excellent!
Execute Them!
BOGUS!

550 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:59:29am

re: #543 Hawaii69

Did he have a show?

Exactly, a false comparison.

551 jorline  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 12:01:06pm

Freak shows always have an audience.

Look for Beck to run away and join the circus.
Coming soon to a big tent in your hometown soon.

552 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 12:03:11pm

re: #539 anotherindyfilmguy

By that line of reasoning why do they still endorse CNN or MSNBC etc after 8 years of kookiness and lies about W followed by "tingly legged" slanted coverage of the O? Why are they still advertising on networks that not only unduly vilified Sarah Palin but continue to go after her to this day?

I do not agree that they are exercising their 1st Amendment right as much as they are attempting to stifle unpopular speech and therefore violating that right for that person. If it was not connected to the administration I would put it up to the same shenanigans the "moral majority" went for in, which, IMO, is not really all that cool either.

Wa Wa Wa.
I'm so sick of the complaining about the unfair this and unfair that, Christ, it's half a thread every time.

553 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 12:09:50pm

re: #539 anotherindyfilmguy

By that line of reasoning why do they still endorse CNN or MSNBC etc after 8 years of kookiness and lies about W followed by "tingly legged" slanted coverage of the O? Why are they still advertising on networks that not only unduly vilified Sarah Palin but continue to go after her to this day?

I do not agree that they are exercising their 1st Amendment right as much as they are attempting to stifle unpopular speech and therefore violating that right for that person. If it was not connected to the administration I would put it up to the same shenanigans the "moral majority" went for in, which, IMO, is not really all that cool either.

Because we hold conservatives to a higher standard. We expect kooks on the left!

554 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 12:10:39pm

re: #34 cybermonk

Ok everyone, lets cheer george soros and his attempt at censorship. Lets get that radical Beck and teach him a lesson. I guess the TV is really hitting a nerve exposing the communist czar Jones, and the former weatherman, we can't have these cockroaches exposed to the light, now can we?
How long before the messiah sets his sites on LGF? Who will stand for you then? Look at the racists who surround Obama, thats ok? But Beck brings them to the worlds attention and you cheer for Soros and his stooges?
Shame on you all.

The crazy is strong with you, buddy.
Watch out or Reynoldswrap will boycott you, and you'll have nothing to wear on your head

555 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 12:15:26pm

re: #333 Last Mohican

Not related to Glenn Beck, but well worth an upding nonetheless.

Why worth mentioning?

556 Land Shark  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 12:29:38pm

re: #477 realwest

I'd go as far as to say even if those things you said happen, they still won't investigate and or report Obama's past. The MSM was an integral part of The Great American Fraud, The Election Of Barrack Hussein Obama, and they will stand by their messiah to the end.

Of course, I have no idea if there's anything in Obama's past to find. It would be nice to see the media lay some of that same "critical reporting" they always do on Republicans on Dems. Yeah, dream on, Sharky.

557 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 12:36:26pm

An interesting tidbit from a legal advice column:


I invited coworkers to follow my raunchy Twitter updates. My boss says it's unprofessional, and wants to fire me. Isn't this free speech?

You're free to write what you want on Twitter - but in most cases, your boss can fire you for it as well. (If you work for the government, it could be different.) The First Amendment allows you to speak freely (with some limitations) without government interference, but that doesn't mean you can say whatever you want whenever you want without repercussions from anyone.

People who keep trotting out the canard that this boycott, or advertisers pulling their ads from his show, is a violation of Beck's right to free speech are either stupid or lying.

558 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:03:09pm

re: #544 Naso Tang

That's the situation they are trying to get. Just because they have successfully gotten him pulled from the air doesn't mean that is not their intent.

559 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:03:37pm

PIMF:
That's the situation they are trying to get. Just because they have not successfully gotten him pulled from the air doesn't mean that is not their intent.

560 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:07:40pm

re: #540 Charles

And if, unlikely as it seems, they succeeded in driving him off of one venue they will chase him off of the next if they can and intimidate the next show that replaces him (or go after other voices they don't like) on the current venue. The intent of what they are doing is the scary part and is why I'm glad to see it having failing to stifle the guy.

561 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:09:57pm

re: #557 Slumbering Behemoth

An interesting tidbit from a legal advice column:

People who keep trotting out the canard that this boycott, or advertisers pulling their ads from his show, is a violation of Beck's right to free speech are either stupid or lying.

If it works in putting him off the air, and a followup campaign keeps him from other venues then yes they are violating his rights to free speech. It is not whether or not a specific advertiser bolts. It is about whether they can use pressure to silence criticism either overtly or directly.

562 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:13:08pm

re: #540 Charles

What if Color for Change went after your webhost and successfully got you banned from their servers? And then followed up trying to keep other hosting services from carrying you? would they be stifling your free speech rights?

563 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:17:20pm

re: #560 anotherindyfilmguy

Look- he would still have a right to his speech. He doesn't have the right to a corporate sponsor.

But what about you? Want to be forced to support a program on tv or radio you disagree with because you can't "violate" free speech? Want to be forced to sponsor a leftist talking head you find deplorable?

Corporations are considered legally to be like individuals, and they have rights such as free association like individuals do. They have a right to not sponsor beck if they so choose, and we're free to agree or disagree with them on that point, but no one has a right to make them sponsor beck or anyone else.

564 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:22:54pm

re: #563 Sharmuta

If I didn't like the show AND the demographics for a show were not good for me I'd already have my advertising elsewhere. I didn't say he has a right to sponsors. However, going after the corporate sponsors is a way of undermining the ability to stay on the air-it is a direct attack on the revenue stream that keeps this guy able to put his opinion out en masse. The first amendment was not only about individual unpopular speech but also about protecting media institutions that put out opinion pieces like the newspapers of the day when it was penned.

565 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:26:15pm

General note:
Without this group, with ties to the administration, pressuring these advertisers to drop they would most likely still be happily using his show to promote their stuff so they can make money. I don't buy into the "and then they were appalled" stream of thought when power politics get involved in anything.

566 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:27:25pm

It's like some folks have forgotten how capitalism works. If a pundit has a bad message, s/he will not attract advertisers to sponsor their program on radio or television. That's too damn bad, and how the capitalism cookie crumbles.

Pundits have the right to free speech. They do not have the right to an audience or a sponsor.

567 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:29:09pm

re: #564 anotherindyfilmguy

It's the free market. These advertisers are free to pull their support from Beck, from Fox, from any newspaper or television network they want. There is no recourse in the Constitution to stop it.

568 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:33:38pm

re: #559 anotherindyfilmguy

PIMF:
That's the situation they are trying to get. Just because they have not successfully gotten him pulled from the air doesn't mean that is not their intent.

Don't go getting all conspiratorial on us now...we can help.

569 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:33:50pm

re: #561 anotherindyfilmguy

If it works in putting him off the air, and a followup campaign keeps him from other venues then yes they are violating his rights to free speech.

No, it is not. Beck has the right to spout whatever garbage he wants. He has the privilege of doing so on tv, radio, and in print. The First Amendment does not protect anyone from the repercussions of their words. If broadcasters decide not to air his show, or publishers decide not to publish his books, it is not a violation of his constitutional rights, it is an exercise in free market capitalism.

It is not whether or not a specific advertiser bolts. It is about whether they can use pressure to silence criticism either overtly or directly.

If Beck were to lose his tv show, his radio show, and his publishing contracts, that is not an example of him being silenced, nor his rights being violated. It is an example of consumers (in this case, advertisers, publishers, and network execs) choosing what they will spend their money on.

The cry that Beck's rights are being violated over things like this is foolish, and shows a childish understanding of the constitution.

570 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:33:56pm

re: #564 anotherindyfilmguy

However, going after the corporate sponsors is a way of undermining the ability to stay on the air-it is a direct attack on the revenue stream that keeps this guy able to put his opinion out en masse.

How is this unConstitutional?

The first amendment was not only about individual unpopular speech but also about protecting media institutions that put out opinion pieces like the newspapers of the day when it was penned.

From the government- not from the free market or the rights of individuals.

571 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:36:24pm

re: #563 Sharmuta

re: #566 Sharmuta

re: #567 Sharmuta

Beat me to it several times, Sharm. High five!

572 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:36:49pm

re: #566 Sharmuta

Free speech spoken to an audience of none is free speech silenced.

And, yes, it is a free market which is why the intimidation attempt is going to fail eventually. But is it really a free market when a government official or sponsored agency says "pull your sponsorship"?

573 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:37:22pm

re: #569 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm waiting for the argument that LGF has more important things to do than "help the left" throw this poor loon under the bus...

574 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:38:16pm

re: #570 Sharmuta

And this whole thing stems from an official in the O's administration whose group is going after Beck. Not from some suddenly offended group of soccer moms or boy scouts.

575 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:39:01pm

re: #572 anotherindyfilmguy

Free speech spoken to an audience of none is free speech silenced.

I do not have a tv show, a radio show, or publishing contracts. Does that mean my free speech has been silenced? That my First Amendment rights have been violated?

Sorry dude, you're arguments are weak.

576 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:39:13pm

There is nothing in US law that stipulates that the government must assist individuals in retaining corporate sponsors. The only guidance must be that those organizing said withdrawl (boycott) of sponsorship follow the law regarding coercion, RICO, etc.

577 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:40:54pm

re: #572 anotherindyfilmguy

This does not apply in this case. There are no government officials involved in said activity regarding Glenn Beck's loss of sponsors.

578 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:41:37pm

re: #574 anotherindyfilmguy

And this whole thing stems from an official in the O's administration whose group is going after Beck. Not from some suddenly offended group of soccer moms or boy scouts.

Hey, I resent being classified with soccer moms and boy scouts, not that I have anything against them.

Beck offends me too; intellectually speaking that is.

579 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:42:12pm

re: #572 anotherindyfilmguy

Free speech spoken to an audience of none is free speech silenced.

I disagree. If it's worth hearing, it will gain an audience. No one laments kooks not having an audience, and the kooks are just as free to keep speaking their nonsense to no one.

And, yes, it is a free market which is why the intimidation attempt is going to fail eventually. But is it really a free market when a government official or sponsored agency says "pull your sponsorship"?

No government agency is doing this as it would then be a violation of the Constitution. We're discussing corporations exercising their rights.

580 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:42:28pm

re: #575 Slumbering Behemoth
If you went into business and had your own small bi-monthly newspaper and printed your own op-eds and the local government decided it wanted to silence your business or at least your op-ed column by going after your advertisers would you have the same opinion?

581 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:43:53pm

re: #572 anotherindyfilmguy

Free speech spoken to an audience of none is free speech silenced.

I have a feeling you will be talking to yourself soon enough. Does that count as one or none?

582 tradewind  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:43:54pm

re: #557 Slumbering Behemoth

You're right. On the other hand, I am getting increasingly annoyed at the realization that these sponsors are being pressured by colorofchange.org and not responding to their consumer's requests or their own consciences... I wouldn't feel differently if they were being pressured to boycott a leftist crazy.
There may be a pushback to this kind of organized coercion.

583 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:43:54pm

re: #579 Sharmuta

No government agency is doing this as it would then be a violation of the Constitution. We're discussing corporations exercising their rights.

That is what is happening. Beck went after a Czar, the Czar's NGO group is now going after Beck as a proxy.

584 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:44:17pm

re: #580 anotherindyfilmguy

If you went into business and had your own small bi-monthly newspaper and printed your own op-eds and the local government decided it wanted to silence your business or at least your op-ed column by going after your advertisers would you have the same opinion?

You'd have a lawsuit in your analogy, which doesn't fit because no government entity is involved with beck.

585 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:44:51pm

re: #580 anotherindyfilmguy

If you went into business and had your own small bi-monthly newspaper and printed your own op-eds and the local government decided it wanted to silence your business or at least your op-ed column by going after your advertisers would you have the same opinion?

FAIL. No government entity is pushing to have advertisers leave Beck's show. Your argument fails before it even leaves the gate.

586 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:45:09pm

re: #581 Naso Tang

I have a feeling you will be talking to yourself soon enough. Does that count as one or none?

Feel free to ban me for my opinion on free speech.

587 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:46:15pm

re: #583 anotherindyfilmguy

That is what is happening. Beck went after a Czar, the Czar's NGO group is now going after Beck as a proxy.

Hearsay. You would have to prove that in court.

588 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:46:36pm

re: #583 anotherindyfilmguy

That is what is happening. Beck went after a Czar, the Czar's NGO group is now going after Beck as a proxy.

He's not with that NGO anymore, and even then NGO's involvement means nothing because it's still up to the corporations to decide for themselves if they want to advertise on Beck's show or not. Unless you can prove the corporations are being coerced, you really don't have an argument on this point.

589 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:46:52pm

re: #584 Sharmuta

You'd have a lawsuit in your analogy, which doesn't fit because no government entity is involved with beck.


See above mention of Czar...

590 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:47:08pm

re: #586 anotherindyfilmguy

Feel free to ban me for my opinion on free speech.

LOL. Silly boy. I'll just do what I did to Beck. Keep on surfing by.

591 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:47:15pm

re: #582 tradewind

The fact remains that these advertisers are free to choose where to spend their advertising dollars. No amount of pressure, no boycott campaign, no nothing, can force an advertiser to do what they do not believe is in their best interest.

592 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:47:32pm

re: #580 anotherindyfilmguy

If you went into business and had your own small bi-monthly newspaper and printed your own op-eds and the local government decided it wanted to silence your business or at least your op-ed column by going after your advertisers would you have the same opinion?

You're moving the goal posts. No one mentioned local governments being involved and no government bodies are involved in said actions.

593 tradewind  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:47:34pm

Oh yeah. This is really a consumer-driven movement, all Wright...
[Link: colorofchange.org...]

594 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:48:17pm

re: #593 tradewind

No one is claiming it's consumer driven.

595 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:50:15pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

re: #593 tradewind

It's warfare by proxy.

596 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:50:57pm

re: #594 Sharmuta

No one is claiming it's consumer driven.

I am, to a certain degree. In this case, the consumers are the advertisers. They have every right to pull ads from any show they wish.

All this other crap about gov't sponsored coercion belongs on an Alex Jones show.

597 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:51:25pm

re: #592 Gus 802

It's an analogy.

598 tradewind  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:51:44pm

re: #594 Sharmuta

And my point is that consumers and corporations have every right to boycott and pull ads from shows they find offensive. But giving in to coercion by one interest group devoted to the interests of one people, as stated in the byline of colorofchange, while it may be legal, is wrong on so many levels.
Trying to say there is no connection, however loose, between this group and the white house's pr effort is like saying that MoveOn is not the democratic party.
Technically correct, but...

599 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:53:12pm

re: #595 anotherindyfilmguy

re: #593 tradewind

It's warfare by proxy.

Nonsense! No one can make you sponsor Olbermann if you don't want to. If you want to form a group to get sponsors to boycott Olbermann- you're free to do so, and the sponsors are free to agree or disagree with your boycott.

600 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:53:52pm

re: #597 anotherindyfilmguy

It's an analogy.

And an EPIC fail at one.

601 tradewind  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:54:59pm

re: #599 Sharmuta

Nonsense! No one can make you sponsor Olbermann if you don't want to


Again, I am being misquoted. I never said those words at all.

602 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:56:38pm

re: #597 anotherindyfilmguy

It's an analogy.

How is that an analogy? If you replace individual citizens with a local government the obvious answer is that it would be objectionable. They are limited in their capacity in this regard and could only act under the rule of law or community standards. This is not a government sanctioned "boycott."

603 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:56:43pm

re: #601 tradewind

I didn't quote you.

604 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:00:16pm

re: #599 Sharmuta

But I'm not in the administration nor part of an NGO with ties to the administration. Nor is the group in question telling them where to spend their advertising dollars in support of anyone, just where not to spend their dollars in a direct attempt to harm a critical voice. To me this comes down to the cliche sounding "I don't agree with you but I'll defend your right to be heard".

The audience size or scale may not seem like a right at first but when you can shuffle away from a media one voice then you can go after other voices in that media until you only have silence or an echo chamber.

605 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:00:35pm

re: #600 Sharmuta

And an EPIC fail at one.

For that matter then FreedomWorks is a government conspiracy because it is co-chaired by former Rep. Dick Armey. /

606 tradewind  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:01:29pm

re: #603 Sharmuta

. No... you just linked my post, with the words ' it's warfare by proxy' in quote marks directly underneath.
I'm sure you get my drift. At least separate the two.
Thanks.

607 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:03:58pm

re: #602 Gus 802

Allow me to correct my analogy. The local government, mayor, alderman, whoever you've been recently critical of was the head of the rotary club. Now the rotary club is asking everyone to boycott your paper to defend their former leader.

608 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:07:07pm

re: #606 tradewind

. No... you just linked my post, with the words ' it's warfare by proxy' in quote marks directly underneath.
I'm sure you get my drift. At least separate the two.
Thanks.

I hit the "quote" function, so take it up with Charles.

609 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:10:23pm

re: #607 anotherindyfilmguy

Allow me to correct my analogy. The local government, mayor, alderman, whoever you've been recently critical of was the head of the rotary club. Now the rotary club is asking everyone to boycott your paper to defend their former leader.

The problem with this analogy is it fails to bring any context. Was the mayor or whoever unfairly smeared by the paper? Then some businesses might agree with the rotary club. Was the local paper accurate in their criticisms of the mayor or whoever? Then the rotary club might not get the response from businesses they desire.

610 Floppydusk  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:11:22pm

Like President Obama, Beck's popularity is not based on what he says but who he seems to be. President Obama seems to be a Saul Alinsky style collectivist trying to get his opponents to be quiet and get out of the way so he can clean up the wreckage of non-government supervised human activity. When he is opposed he does not compete by defending his ideas but by demonizing the opponent. Beck seems to be the guy who doesn't approve of collectivism and prefers individual freedom over government edict. He seems to think government supervised wreckage (think Pol Pot and Stalin) is not preferable to the plain old wreckage of fallen human nature; but sees the government's hand in all wreckage - making him an easy mark for demonization.

I think they should get together in the Rose Garden with Van and have a beer (Odoul's Light in Beck's case).

Floppydusk has spoken.

611 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:18:58pm

re: #609 Sharmuta

Did Beck unduly smear the guy whose .org is going after him? The thing that get's me going on this whole deal is the connections.

Say someone smeared me in the press what is my proper course of action? Sue for libel/slander? OK! Get an NGO to start calling the papers advertisers and pulling their advertising? Not so ok. One is defense by use of law and defense of truth etc, the other is intimidation by non court means.

612 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:22:06pm

re: #611 anotherindyfilmguy

Maybe you missed it- beck called the President a racist. This group found that to be offensive and started a boycott campaign, which they are free to do. That corporations have agreed or disagreed with this group is their business. None of this has anything to do with your analogies that free speech is being violated under the Constitution.

613 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:23:46pm

re: #607 anotherindyfilmguy

Allow me to correct my analogy. The local government, mayor, alderman, whoever you've been recently critical of was the head of the rotary club. Now the rotary club is asking everyone to boycott your paper to defend their former leader.

Right now this would just be a matter of appearances -- legally speaking. Van Jones was co-founder of Color of Change and not the sole founder. Unless one can provide evidence that he is directly involved in this boycott it doesn't have a leg to stand on and he would have to have direct involvement to even raise some eyebrows.

614 ExCamelJockey  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:25:17pm

I don't watch Beck's show but everyone else must be. Beck's viewership is up 10% over July and 99% over last year. Beck's viewership is higher than all other same time slot competitors combined and increasing.

This boycott may be having the reverse effect ...

615 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:25:32pm

It's like when the Boycott Denmark movement sprung up after the mohammed cartoons. Other groups formed a counter movement to support Denmark and buy Danish products. People are free to form a SAVE GLEN BECK society. Even a former government/administration employee can start it. Knock yourselves out, but do not try to convince us this violates free speech.

616 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:25:42pm

re: #612 Sharmuta

So? IIRC from reading up on this earlier today this group got suddenly offended after Beck went after a Czar who used to run that .org. Their "offendedness" is a politically driven attack.

617 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:32:27pm

re: #587 Gus 802

Hearsay. You would have to prove that in court.

Indeed. It is an allegation, not a proven fact. If this is what Beck believes is happening, or more to the point, if this is what Beck alleges is happening, he should take legal action.

If he does not, it will only prove that he is nothing but a bullshitting conspiracy monger.

618 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:32:52pm

re: #616 anotherindyfilmguy

No- Beck went after the President.

FOX's Glenn Beck:

"This president has exposed himself as a guy over and over and over again who has a deep-seated hatred for white people ... this guy is, I believe, a racist."

I don't know where you are getting this "czar" talking point, but it is false.

619 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:34:32pm

Actually, anotherindyfilmguy- where are you getting this "czar" talking point?

620 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:37:16pm

re: #614 ExCamelJockey

I don't watch Beck's show but everyone else must be. Beck's viewership is up 10% over July and 99% over last year. Beck's viewership is higher than all other same time slot competitors combined and increasing.

And McDonald's still sells more hamburgers than anyone. American Idol? Still wildly popular. People love garbage.

This boycott may be having the reverse effect ...

Most boycotts usually do. The boycott against "Married: With Children" saved that show from cancellation.

621 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:41:26pm

re: #617 Slumbering Behemoth

Indeed. It is an allegation, not a proven fact. If this is what Beck believes is happening, or more to the point, if this is what Beck alleges is happening, he should take legal action.

If he does not, it will only prove that he is nothing but a bullshitting conspiracy monger.

He won't because unless his legal team could prove that Color of Change was breaking the law he would lose in court. Further along that end Van Jones could not even be considered.

At this point Beck may well profit from this because a) he gets a new conspiracy theory to play up with an alleged co-conspirator in the executive branch; b) he appears to play the role of the underdog; c) Fox will find new sponsors; and d) due to the nature of Color of Change it allow Beck to continue a topic of racism which is a big sell to his audience.

622 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:42:33pm

re: #610 Floppydusk

He seems to think government supervised wreckage (think Pol Pot and Stalin) is not preferable to the plain old wreckage of fallen human nature; but sees the government's hand in all wreckage - making him an easy mark for demonization.

Beck's gibbering inanity, fear mongering, conspiracy peddling, goofy antics, associations with and promotion of Birchers and Paulbots are what make him an easy target for demonization. And he loves it.

623 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:47:19pm

re: #619 Sharmuta

Actually, anotherindyfilmguy- where are you getting this "czar" talking point?

Uh...

624 abbyadams  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:56:24pm

re: #413 LGoPs

He may have the right to be heard, but he has no right to be underwritten. That's just business.

625 shortshrift  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:59:56pm

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

That's why I can't understand why the progressives are so intent on shutting him down. One (or The One) would think that he's a wonderful thorn in the side of the conservatives.

This boycott doesn't make sense. Makes me wonder?

At last, a little doubt. The boycott (which is reminiscent of the old Jesse Jackson race hustle) makes sense because the left wants to get Beck off the air, just as they would like to get Limbaugh off the air. For the left it is very straightforward. They want Beck off because he is constant thorn in the side of the administration and he is ever more popular. (Thanks to the frequent links to his videos from here, and the discussions, I have watched him more often in the last weeks.)
They do not indulge in the twist-think that is so evident here: Beck is bad for Republicans because he is giving them a bad name. They see him as being bad for Democrats. They see direct injury to themselves and want to stop it. They do not play a devious game that Beck is turning away moderates and Independents so it would be better to keep him yapping. They know that there is no evidence for Independents peeling away. Quite the reverse - the disgust with Beck expressed here, notwithstanding.

As for politics governing corporate behavior: Why should this be another loony conspiracy? Associations between board members or executives and administrations are not state secrets. Look at the Czars. Sadly, power and influence can corrupt the profit motive., which should be non-partisan.

626 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:09:18pm

re: #625 shortshrift

They do not indulge in the twist-think that is so evident here: Beck is bad for Republicans because he is giving them a bad name.

If the majority of the people who watch his show, for whatever reason, would simply realize that Beck is not a republican, maybe they would stop associating him with republicans.

Unfortunately, the fools like love his conspiracy mongering want to claim him as their own, while the fools that hate the republican party want to use him to smear the GOP.

627 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:09:50pm

re: #34 cybermonk

Ok everyone, lets cheer george soros and his attempt at censorship. Lets get that radical Beck and teach him a lesson. I guess the TV is really hitting a nerve exposing the communist czar Jones, and the former weatherman, we can't have these cockroaches exposed to the light, now can we?
How long before the messiah sets his sites on LGF? Who will stand for you then? Look at the racists who surround Obama, thats ok? But Beck brings them to the worlds attention and you cheer for Soros and his stooges?
Shame on you all.

Beck is a frothing, raving lunatic with the most tenuous of grips on reality.

F**k you and the horse you rode in...

628 centaur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:11:35pm

Hi Lizards. Beck. Olberman. Bleh. I am on book five of Ken Bruen's Jack Taylor good stuff. I went to Galeway in '00, before all this crap. And just now went to the local watering whole and got a me a double Jameson and plenty of "the black." To hell with the outside world. You are all letting your guts be pulled, for fucking ratings. Recluse yourselves and live. All the media heads are just that, fucking heads, after god damned ratings, pulling your guts till your brains follow and you can't think for yourselves no more.

Yep, pretty drunk right about now. Sick of playing teams.

629 Gus  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:15:45pm

Just in case some of the Beckaholics have a short memory.

Beck has gone after Charles on national tv and then proceeded to compare himself to Martin Luther King:

Today's Glenn Beck expert: Charles Johnson, a jazz musician, software programmer and writer for the blog "Little Green Footballs."

Johnson says: "I don't know if he's necessarily going to incite violence, but I do think it's irresponsible. It kind of drags down the discourse to a level that I, for one, am not comfortable with."

As evidence of this lowered discourse, he posted a video that supposedly showed a fan of mine yelling "burn the books" at a 9/12 project meeting. Only later, did someone do the two clicks of research that showed she was actually just a liberal there to make fun of the gathering.

That's not really the point. There probably are a couple of stupid people at the meetings. There always will be stupid people saying stupid things. There will always be violent people doing violent things.

If you click on this link you can read the whole insipid excerpt which includes an image of him holding up a picture of MLK with that pathetic patented "Glenn Beck is about to cry" look on his pudgy face.

630 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:17:46pm
631 shortshrift  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:18:41pm

re: #624 abbyadams

He may have the right to be heard, but he has no right to be underwritten. That's just business.

There is a right of free speech. There is no right to be heard, except at trial.
The business interest here is that corporations want their brand name to be heard. The numbers of viewers sets the price for "sponsorship". If they do not like the political message of the program and withdraw their commercials, that is not business, that is politics. It would be more honest if they replaced a commercial with a political message in the brand's name as an "anti-sponsorship" way of reconciling their political and commercial interests.

632 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:20:13pm
633 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:20:24pm

re: #630 tex68

beck was not being sarcastic when he called the President a racist. And if we lost you months ago, why did you log in? Just to drop a turd in the punchbowl?

634 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:22:01pm

re: #630 tex68

It's called sarcasm people...have you ever heard of it?

This is the dumbest shit I've heard all day. I guess now I can say any outrageous garbage that comes to mind, and excuse it away with a sarcasm clause? Nonsense.

635 elvula  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:23:07pm

Kanye West's statement about GWB was, as per usual, an attention getting ploy by a petulant, low brow child and had nothing to do with GWB and everything to do with Kanye. Glenn Beck is correct. Obama is a racist and an arrogant one at that. What is dangerous is he appears to be tiring of the presidency as his project of knocking the pins out from under the country is not progressing with the rapidity he desires. The danger lies in that he will begin to use extreme measures as a catalyst toward that end. The truly sorry thing is that his supporters will be unwittingly swept along in the outgoing tide.

636 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:23:53pm
637 centaur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:25:35pm

Gotta ad: Exile on Main Street jamin' on the old Pioneer spinner right now. Hell yes.

638 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:26:20pm

re: #124 cybermonk

we have a novice in the white house because our candidate for president did not have to balls to expose Obama for what he was. Moderates departed from the Republican party in droves looking for change, this is what they got.
Beck is a gadfly but he is as important as a warning to the rest of us. We may not ignore his warning but at our own peril.

Beck as Moses, coming down from the mountain? Getthaf**kouttahere...

/dream on, Beckoid

639 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:26:28pm

re: #631 shortshrift

The numbers of viewers sets the price for "sponsorship". If they do not like the political message of the program and withdraw their commercials, that is not business, that is politics.

If an advertiser decides that they do not want their brand associated with the rhetoric of a squawking head, it is just business. Not politics, just business.

640 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:26:52pm

re: #630 tex68

It's called sarcasm people...have you ever heard of it? I use to have respect for this site and the people that posted here. It's seems that common sense has left this site. Now its left or right whatever view fits your agenda. Which way is the wind blowing in Lizards? You lost me months ago.

Sad indeed, Common Sense Texan.

About time we had one of these./

641 shortshrift  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:29:09pm

re: #626 Slumbering Behemoth

If the majority of the people who watch his show, for whatever reason, would simply realize that Beck is not a republican, maybe they would stop associating him with republicans.

Unfortunately, the fools like love his conspiracy mongering want to claim him as their own, while the fools that hate the republican party want to use him to smear the GOP.

I really do not understand the point you are making. People who like what Beck says will agree with him. Many of these are republicans. Some people who do not agree with him would like him to be taken off air. Most of these are democrats. The republicans who want him off air because they think he is damaging the party are the ones I find puzzling.

642 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:29:55pm

I love the passive-aggressive smiley faces at the end of insults.

643 eric  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:32:08pm

CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, AUG. 24, 2009

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,440,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,937,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,810,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,450,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,066,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,860,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,114,000
CNN KING 1,063,000
MSNBC MADDOW 885,000
CNN COOPER 827,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 640,000

From Drudge. Beck will have advertisers as long as he has these ratings. It may not be clorox, but people want to sell to this demographic.

644 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:32:57pm

re: #641 shortshrift

The point is Beck is not a republican, and different people have different motives when they associate him with the GOP.

I do not want him associated with me (a republican), but at the same time, I couldn't give a shit if he has a show or not.

645 centaur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:33:03pm

Up yours Sharmuta. :-)

646 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:34:09pm

re: #645 centaur

Look, a drunken weasel. And it thinks it's funny. How charming.
/

647 centaur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:35:40pm

re: #646 Slumbering Behemoth

Look, a drunken weasel. And it thinks it's funny. How charming.
/

On to some left over shiraz right now ... not a wine person myself ... but you gotta do what you gotta do.

648 shortshrift  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:36:33pm

re: #639 Slumbering Behemoth

If an advertiser decides that they do not want their brand associated with the rhetoric of a squawking head, it is just business. Not politics, just business.

I tried to explain why I disagreed with this. I shall merely refer you back to my previous post.

649 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:37:02pm

re: #643 eric

Beck will have advertisers as long as he has these ratings. It may not be clorox, but people want to sell to this demographic.

Quite true, which is what makes all this whining by Beck fans about his freedom of speech being violated sound even more infantile.

650 centaur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:39:16pm

If it's advertisers bowing out under their own prerogative it this has nothing to do with freedom of speech and everything to do with a free market economy.

Burp.

651 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:40:59pm

re: #630 tex68

It's called sarcasm people...have you ever heard of it? I use to have respect for this site and the people that posted here. It's seems that common sense has left this site. Now its left or right whatever view fits your agenda. Which way is the wind blowing in Lizards? You lost me months ago.

Sad indeed, Common Sense Texan.

On further reflection, I have to add that this opinion reflects the antithesis of what this site is about.

Tex has an opinion of what is common sense, but really it is just my way or no way.

Tex thinks anything that is not totally left or totally right (according to unstated definitions) is a new agenda, but it can't be common sense.

Tex thinks Lizards should be blowing with the wind, not thinking or debating.

Tex, nobody lost you; you never understood from the beginning.

652 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:47:52pm

re: #645 centaur

I see that Sharmuta gave your post an upding. It would seem you two know each other, and your post was simply friendly banter, and not the insult I thought it was.

I'll be butting out now, my bad.

653 centaur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:48:45pm

Side 2: Sweet Virginia, Torn & Frayed, Black Angel, Loving Cup.
Nice.

654 centaur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:50:34pm

re: #652 Slumbering Behemoth

I see that Sharmuta gave your post an upding. It would seem you two know each other, and your post was simply friendly banter, and not the insult I thought it was.

I'll be butting out now, my bad.

Not a problem. I took yours as friendly banter too.

655 centaur  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:02:18pm

re: #652 Slumbering Behemoth

And for the record, I do not think I know Sharmuta other than through LGF posting.

656 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:23:21pm
657 solomonpanting  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:28:33pm

Just think of LGF as fair and balanced.

658 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:39:29pm

I forgot & or I'm not paying attention - what did Glen Beck say that was so offensive?

659 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:48:35pm

re: #652 Slumbering Behemoth

I see that Sharmuta gave your post an upding. It would seem you two know each other, and your post was simply friendly banter, and not the insult I thought it was.

I'll be butting out now, my bad.

I don't know centaur, but got the joke.

re: #658 FrogMarch

I forgot & or I'm not paying attention - what did Glen Beck say that was so offensive?

You could try clicking the link at the top of the page. From there, there are other links to which you can click on and find exactly what the hubbub is concerning.

660 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:49:17pm

re: #654 centaur

Not a problem. I took yours as friendly banter too.

Bite me, centaur. :)

661 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:55:40pm
It's all because more than 160,000 ColorOfChange members connected the dots for Glenn Beck's advertisers and called on them to stop supporting his show. We want to say thank you to everyone who's participated in this campaign.

We could also use your help. We brought on additional staff for the campaign in order to drive as many advertisers away as possible. We need to keep them in order to maximize the number of advertisers that drop Beck and to make sure none come back. Anything you can provide will help us get there -- whether $10, $20, $50, or more. You can make a contribution to help move the campaign forward, here.

Well - colorofchange is doing well.

662 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:58:05pm

re: #659 Sharmuta

You could try clicking the link at the top of the page. From there, there are other links to which you can click on and find exactly what the hubbub is concerning.

Is this about calling Obama a "racist"?

663 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:02:29pm

LA Times "update" Glenn Beck goes after Color of Change co-founder Van Jones

Since his Fox News show launched in January, Beck has attracted a sizable audience with his strident denunciations of the Obama administration and apocalyptic warnings about the country’s direction. Late last month, during an appearance on the morning show “Fox & Friends,” he accused Obama of having “a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.”

“This guy is, I believe, a racist,” he added.

Stupid, but I've heard worse. I'm not crazy about Glen's shtick anymore, but the left certainly are going full brown-shirt on him. And a nice kicking up of fund raising. Nice going, Beck.

664 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:42:35pm

re: #662 FrogMarch

Is this about calling Obama a "racist"?

Yes- if you follow the links you can discover colorofchange's reasoning.

I'm not going to defend this group or defend their boycott per se, but I will defend their right to organize, and I will defend free association and the free market. Corporations are, imo, joining this boycott for no other reason than the merit of the complaint. They are free to agree or disagree and react accordingly. We can certainly debate the merits, but at this point we're still correcting flaws in Constitutional understanding as well as the source of the complaint.

665 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:43:24pm

re: #605 Gus 802

For that matter then FreedomWorks is a government conspiracy because it is co-chaired by former Rep. Dick Armey. /

But that's OK, because it's a republican outfit, so it's pure as driven snow, while it's the damn libs that conspire to ruin country with their lies and the MSM in their pocket along with Soros' evil dollars funding the sending of us all into a socialist gulag.
Did I get enough talking points in in one sentence?

666 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:52:13pm

The Devil made me do it.

667 Hawaii69  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:57:35pm

I really think Beck should make the move to Satellite Radio.

The look on his face when they strapped him into the space capsule would be priceless...

668 spiderx  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:59:32pm

re: #656 DocDublU

I haven't read the comments at LGF for quite some time.

Since when did it become an anti Fox / Glenn Beck echo chamber?

Thanks god Mr. Beck has the stones to tell America that they have elected a Marxist as President.

Does Mr. Johnson interpret everything through his nirther / ron paul / creationism prism now? If so, it's sad. Then again, he was a devoted Democrat until 9-11, so perhaps we expected too much of him.

I have relatives that lived under real marxism. They would be offended by comparing Obama or America to marxism. No actually..they'd probably just laugh at how absurd Beck and anyone who defends him is.

669 Hawaii69  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:03:39pm

re: #656 DocDublU

I haven't read the comments at LGF for quite some time.

Since when did it become an anti Fox / Glenn Beck echo chamber?

Thanks god Mr. Beck has the stones to tell America that they have elected a Marxist as President.

Does Mr. Johnson interpret everything through his nirther / ron paul / creationism prism now? If so, it's sad. Then again, he was a devoted Democrat until 9-11, so perhaps we expected too much of him.


Considering how much depth you go into here, I'd say your first sentence is what is know as "a lie".

Keep dangling that hook though. Someone is sure to rise to the bait.

670 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:04:59pm

re: #635 elvula

Kanye West's statement about GWB was, as per usual, an attention getting ploy by a petulant, low brow child and had nothing to do with GWB and everything to do with Kanye. Glenn Beck is correct. Obama is a racist and an arrogant one at that. What is dangerous is he appears to be tiring of the presidency as his project of knocking the pins out from under the country is not progressing with the rapidity he desires. The danger lies in that he will begin to use extreme measures as a catalyst toward that end. The truly sorry thing is that his supporters will be unwittingly swept along in the outgoing tide.

That is absolute horse shit.
Did I somehow miss the Apocalypse while I was shopping at the mall?
It is irresponsible nonsense like this that give fodder to those than think all on the right are wing nuts looking for an excuse for revolution.
The guys been in office 6 months and we are at the brink? if so, when did we start? Jan 21, 2009? Because everything was just great from 2000-2008, right?

The drama is over the top. Get a grip.

671 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:11:22pm

re: #664 Sharmuta

Yes- if you follow the links you can discover colorofchange's reasoning.
...
...but at this point we're still correcting flaws in Constitutional understanding as well as the source of the complaint.

What do you mean?

672 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:12:31pm

re: #671 FrogMarch

What I mean is just reading this thread it becomes apparent some people don't know what the First Amendment means.

673 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:13:56pm

re: #656 DocDublU

I haven't read the comments at LGF for quite some time.

Since when did it become an anti Fox / Glenn Beck echo chamber?

Thanks god Mr. Beck has the stones to tell America that they have elected a Marxist as President.

Does Mr. Johnson interpret everything through his nirther / ron paul / creationism prism now? If so, it's sad. Then again, he was a devoted Democrat until 9-11, so perhaps we expected too much of him.

Hooo, them's fighting words.
As an FIY, you sound like a sanctimonious assclown, but perhaps I expect too much of you.

674 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:14:22pm

re: #669 Hawaii69

Considering how much depth you go into here, I'd say your first sentence is what is know as "a lie".

Keep dangling that hook though. Someone is sure to rise to the bait.

I did!

675 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:18:55pm

re: #627 talon_262

Beck is a frothing, raving lunatic with the most tenuous of grips on reality.

F**k you and the horse you rode in...

Absolutely. Thanks for saying it.

676 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:27:47pm

re: #672 Sharmuta

What I mean is just reading this thread it becomes apparent some people don't know what the First Amendment means.

as in - free speech goes both ways.

677 donna quixote  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:30:55pm

The general public may not have paid any attention but I would have liked the media to do a little investigating of Obama prior to the election.

678 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:31:07pm

re: #676 FrogMarch

Yes- when folks think that withholding corporate sponsorship equals a violation of the First Amendment, then we're having issues with civic understanding.

679 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:39:38pm

re: #34 cybermonk

Ok everyone, lets cheer george soros and his attempt at censorship. Lets get that radical Beck and teach him a lesson. I guess the TV is really hitting a nerve exposing the communist czar Jones, and the former weatherman, we can't have these cockroaches exposed to the light, now can we?
How long before the messiah sets his sites on LGF? Who will stand for you then? Look at the racists who surround Obama, thats ok? But Beck brings them to the worlds attention and you cheer for Soros and his stooges?
Shame on you all.

OMG!!
Soros!
And the communist czar Jones!!
and the former Weatherman!! (I guess that is Ayers?)
And Larry!
And Moe!
And Curly!
God help us all!
Holy crap, dude, you need to spend less time on WND.

680 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:40:45pm

re: #678 Sharmuta

Yes- when folks think that withholding corporate sponsorship equals a violation of the First Amendment, then we're having issues with civic understanding.

Yes. Unless the corporate sponsorship is being threatened by the government. I don't have a big problem with name calling; however, I am bothered by Beck's stupid race-baiting comment saying Obama has a “a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.”

I haven't taken the time to read up-thread. Thanks for the re-cap. I get the gist now.

681 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:44:30pm
682 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:51:30pm

re: #681 elvula

The brink was passed 2 trillion dollars ago on Friday. Not looking for revolution, but you should be ready for when the ACORN folks show up in your living room for the 2010 census. The only grip I need are Pachmyer.

Oh Christ.
The Acorn people?
So, you are against the census? It figures.
Or do you really think that jack-booted thugs are going to knock down your door in the name of the new Obama Reich?
If so, you are truly delusional.
And as for the two trillion, so you were not feeling this way last week, or the one before that? Really?

683 bobd1950  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:04:21pm

re: #8 Sloppy

CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, AUG. 24, 2009

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,440,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,937,000

FOXNEWS BECK 2,810,000...tipping point.??? yea right. Do you know how Cable runs...$$$ runs it all. Ratings like that after a few months..!! drive that car.


FOXNEWS GRETA 2,450,000

FOXNEWS BAIER 2,066,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,860,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,114,000
CNN KING 1,063,000
MSNBC MADDOW 885,000
CNN COOPER 827,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 640,000

684 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:07:41pm

re: #15 Ben Hur

CNBC's Cramer on Glenn Beck Advertisers: 'I Think They All Come Back in the End'

Wasn't Cramer kicked in the ass because he dared wander off the Obama cheer-leading media reservation?

685 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:18:15pm

re: #619 Sharmuta

Actually, anotherindyfilmguy- where are you getting this "czar" talking point?

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

686 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:41:15pm

re: #678 Sharmuta

Yes- when folks think that withholding corporate sponsorship equals a violation of the First Amendment, then we're having issues with civic understanding.

I respectfully disagree with you on that. Deliberately attacking the ability or means for someone to spread disagreeable speech instead of directly taking on the speech itself with counterargument etc is an undermining of the 1st Amendment rights of everyone.

A general theme in the thread is "he doesn't have a right to" sponsorship, a t.v. show, big audience etc. Ok. However this is very scary in a sense to me in that the greater point to this is a slippery slope of not caring about something not ethically or legally* or morally (take your pick) correct being done to someone because of what they have said. The ratings will ultimately be what decides Beck's ability to deliver his message. The Dixie Chicks have none of the same rights that Beck doesn't have. However their fans deserted them when they went openly political against the grain of their demographic base of support. Becks fans, his ratings, are what they are because of what he is and does. Going after Becks sponsors is, to me, equivalent to an opposing sports team trying to file a lawsuit changing the zoning of an opponents playing field to void them from playing with a home field. Legal? Most likely not? Ethical? No. Attacking the opposition outside of the arena in which they are mopping up the floors with you? Yes.

For the some of you who haven't seen me post much:
If I don't answer on a thread it's because I went somewhere else to do something else for awhile or am just not revisiting the thread for whatever reason and didn't read comment "x, y or z".

*at this point I don't think any minds are about to be changed on the subject about rights and of trying to silence someone by any means.

687 spiderx  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:42:12pm

re: #677 donna quixote

The general public may not have paid any attention but I would have liked the media to do a little investigating of Obama prior to the election.

They did

we found out he's a liberal democrat.

688 gymnast  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:00:19pm

re: #687 spiderx

They did

we found out he's a liberal democrat.

Oh, he is much more than that, eventually you will learn that he is much more than just a "Liberal Democrat".

689 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:33:39pm

re: #688 gymnast

Oh, he is much more than that, eventually you will learn that he is much more than just a "Liberal Democrat".

Again, the drama, for god's sake.
Obama is not the death of the US.
I don't get all the "patriots" that have so little trust that the United States of America is so fragile that it can be irrevocably harmed by one man, POTUS or not.
Grow up, and grow a set.
Cryptic, silly posts are pretty pathetic.
Obama is pretty much what he said he was, a Democrat.
He wants different things that most here do.
He's not endangering the constitution, or ushering in a commie/fascist/Marxist/whatever dictatorship.
To Cyberhawk and the others who seem to think that because they don't like what's going on they have the right to change things for everyone, I say that it is, to me, a personal affront.

This country is stronger than any one man, and still some ass-wipes think they need to rectify the situation for the rest of us.
You know what? Fuck you.
I'm not trading a legally elected president for someone you and your ilk think should run the place.
You and your type want to change things?
Get elected.
America, love it or leave it.
It's not a slogan just for the dirty hippies. You need a long look in the mirror.

690 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:50:10pm

re: #685 anotherindyfilmguy

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

OK. What part of the second paragraph did you not understand?

691 WinstonChurchill  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:05:56pm

Do you fellow lizards remember how depressed we all were on election night last year? If we were to look back at the posts we were staring into the abyss, seeing America's great days were behind us. What did we picture happening? Pretty much what the socialist-in-chief is doing to the country now- enacting laws that the government has no business making by any rational reading of the constitution.

A lot of what Beck says is out there for sure. But some of it is right on. Does anyone doubt that attending that church Obama attended for 20 years was racist to the core? That "gd America" sermon was hardly a one off- I'm sure that attitude pervaded every serman given from that pulpit for the whole period Obama was there. Can a man immerse himself in that religion/racist hybrid cesspool Sunday after Sunday and not have it affect his thinking about life, the Almighty, and his country?

I'd say his reading of the president's mindset, at the very least, is spot on.

692 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:12:57pm
693 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:19:47pm

I don't believe the crap that's going on in this thread.

694 gringo69  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:33:33pm

Charles why the hate towards Beck, Rush, Pam? I go to them for the reason I come here, a different pov. What's wrong with that?

695 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:35:53pm

re: #690 Sharmuta
From the same article a bit further in:

Beck has gone after Jones in the past. On July 28, he called the activist a "self-professed communist" and questioned the role he was playing in the administration. His latest assault on Jones came as Color of Change announced that it has secured commitments from 36 companies who have pledged not to advertise on Beck’s popular program, including Wal-Mart and Sprint.

IMO this is an ongoing thing and not a sudden astonishment and attack for a specific remark. The remark is an excuse and a hot button issue. But that's just my opinion and considering that guy's like Beck thrive on this sort of thing there's probably a lot more of it to come before the it's truly old news.

696 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:39:53pm

re: #686 anotherindyfilmguy

Again- you're analogies are weak, as most arguments from analogy are. I would find another means of arguing your point. (Just a general commentary.)

As for the specifics of your argument- no, I do not agree that targeting sponsors is an affront to free speech. That is how the free market works in punditry.

697 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:45:02pm

re: #696 Sharmuta

The way the free market works for pundits is they have massive ratings that make it worth them being broadcast. When they lack the ratings they go bye-bye. The non-free market is when a special interest group targets a voice for silencing.

698 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:52:53pm

re: #693 Charles

I don't believe the crap that's going on in this thread.

Them interwebs never cease to amaze. Night all.

699 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 10:29:08pm

re: #697 anotherindyfilmguy

Generally, yes- the advertisers follow the ratings. If the network provides a good pundit, ratings should follow and the advertisers will want to buy the ad time.

The pundit(s) and the network(s), however, have other considerations with which to contend- such as audience and advertisers staying happy. Normally- these things stay in balance, the audience stays, the advertisers stay. But when the pundit crosses a line, the balance is shifted.

If a group forms opposition to a pundit, that is their right. Legally, they can pressure both the network and the sponsors to withhold air time/sponsorship based on their grievance. A movement can likewise form without central organizing. It matters not to me if it's 1000 complaints or one complaint signed by 1000 people. So to call this a "special interest group" to me is moot.

Most importantly to me, however, is opposition to speech is every bit as integral to our system of government and our free speech as supporting speech is. In the United States, we don't have speech laws like in Europe (let us exclude, for the sake of conversation, laws such as "FIRE" in a crowded theater- I think we both know what I mean by no speech laws in the US?). Our system of free speech requires, then, that ugly speech be shown the sort of respect it's due, which is to say it's not respected at all. We don't need to ban the nazi party because no one listens to them- they and their words are not respected. Contrast this to Europe, where ugly speech is banned (as are political parties).

Therefore- when citizens (in either an organized or non-organized group) feel certain speech is inappropriate, they have the right to move against it, and even a duty. It is this speech-code, if you will, that keeps the American Body Politic generally clean. It doesn't work this way if we tie the hands of the opposition so that they cannot say, "We think that's wrong!" and have anything meaningful with which to punish poor speech. I wouldn't be so quick to condemn the public mechanism by which we keep the American political discourse relatively clean. If we can't shun poor speech, we may as well not have a First Amendment.

700 el polacko  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:13:25pm

jeeze... i'm about as cynical a guy as you are likely to meet, but i really don't get this beck-hatred. the few times i've caught his show i heard some hyperbole.. that's the 'entertainment factor'.. but the basic content of his monologues were well-researched and his conclusions logical. just because someone else might come to a different conclusion is not a reason to drive him from the airwaves, is it ??

701 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:41:06pm

re: #700 el polacko

Criticism is not the same as hatred, and no one is driving Beck off the airwaves. Some advertisers are simply pulling their spots from his show. Others will take their place.

If I were given to the same kind of hysterical hyperbole that some Beck fans display, I would declare that characterizing my criticism of Beck as hatred is a violation of my free speech.

But I am not that far gone into the truly crazy portion of libertarian fantasy land.

702 shortshrift  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 12:52:06am

re: #701 Slumbering Behemoth

Criticism is not the same as hatred, and no one is driving Beck off the airwaves. Some advertisers are simply pulling their spots from his show. Others will take their place.

If I were given to the same kind of hysterical hyperbole that some Beck fans display, I would declare that characterizing my criticism of Beck as hatred is a violation of my free speech.

But I am not that far gone into the truly crazy portion of libertarian fantasy land.

To take your points one by one:
Apparently, for many here, criticism of Obama using the word "racist" is hatred (and probably racist too). The boycott organizers would like to drive Beck off the airwaves. They say so explicitly in their original email to supporters. I do not believe that advertisers are "simply" pulling spots from a very popular show. Corporations are not "simple" actors. Decisions are made by people within them. The corporate targets of the campaign may have managers ideologically against Beck or they were cravenly sensitive to the implied threat of bad publicity should they continue to enable - their word - an inciter of racial hatred. Race-hustling may now be acceptable business practice, but it is not simple. We have yet to see whether the boycott has an effect.

For some, the accusation of "hatred" is intended to arouse hysteria. They would not see it as hyperbolic. Characterizing speech as "hyperbolic hysteria" - is never a violation of Free Speech. It is free speech. So is the "hyperbolic hysteria" - until a legal line is crossed. Putting it about that a legal line has been crossed, itself crosses a legal line - slander.

Is Libertarian fantasyland more pernicious than any other?

703 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:28:05am

re: #702 shortshrift

I do not believe that advertisers are "simply" pulling spots from a very popular show. Corporations are not "simple" actors. Decisions are made by people within them. The corporate targets of the campaign may have managers ideologically against Beck or they were cravenly sensitive to the implied threat of bad publicity should they continue to enable - their word - an inciter of racial hatred.

Or one could wield Occam's Razor and deduce that some advertisers "simply" do not want their brand associated with a libertarian kook like Beck.

We have yet to see whether the boycott has an effect.

I have no precognitive abilities (of course not, that kind of thing does not exist), but if I were to hazard a guess... The "boycott" will have not have a negative affect on Beck's show. Quite the opposite, I'll wager that it generates more interest in his show. And like the clown he is, he will pretend to deplore the boycott while loving every minute of it.

704 floppydusk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:54:45am

re: #622 Slumbering Behemoth

And President Obama can rightfully be opposed because he is a Saul Alinsky style collectivist trying to get his opponents to be quiet and get out of the way so he can clean up the wreckage of non-government supervised human activity.

So Beck opposes him and the Alinsky model says demonize. I get that your OK with that.

Floppydusk has spoken.

705 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:28:26am

re: #691 WinstonChurchill

Do you fellow lizards remember how depressed we all were on election night last year? If we were to look back at the posts we were staring into the abyss, seeing America's great days were behind us. What did we picture happening? Pretty much what the socialist-in-chief is doing to the country now- enacting laws that the government has no business making by any rational reading of the constitution.

A lot of what Beck says is out there for sure. But some of it is right on. Does anyone doubt that attending that church Obama attended for 20 years was racist to the core? That "gd America" sermon was hardly a one off- I'm sure that attitude pervaded every serman given from that pulpit for the whole period Obama was there. Can a man immerse himself in that religion/racist hybrid cesspool Sunday after Sunday and not have it affect his thinking about life, the Almighty, and his country?

I'd say his reading of the president's mindset, at the very least, is spot on.

You are, frankly, out of your mind.

706 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:56:08am

re: #689 doubter4444

I meant cybermonk, apologies to cyberhawk

707 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:20:05am

a Saul Alinsky style collectivist
Do you even know what means?
Lord above.
Obama's a democrat, doing what he said we would do while campaigning.
He sees the need to reform the health sector.
Many do not see the need to do so, or see the reforms taking a substantially different direction.
That is all.
Yes, it is a big deal, but it's not part of some master plan to enslave us and turn America into Amerika.
The frothing is way out of control.
Again, this type of vitriol is ratcheting up and is getting dangerous, as what was absurd hyperbole last month becomes accepted fact this month, and sooner or later the accepted fact will be, to someone, the need to remove him from office.
That's why I get so frustrated at the over the top drama queens.
It's stupid and dangerous to try to turn him into some sort of anti-American.
Stupid because anyone not in your echo chamber will think you are fuc*ing nuts, and dangerous because someone in your echo chamber will agree and try to take action.

708 reaganII  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:56:11am

I've seen this game before. Its called WWII. People need to wake up and realize what is happening to this Country. Groups are pitted against each other. A nation divided. Most have their hands out, taking from everone who works. Students in college are being nationalized against this country.
Glenn Beck has a warning for citizens, and he's called every name in the book. Glenn Beck is the messenger as to what is happening to this Country.
If you think another WWII cannot happen, but in this country instead of Germany, just look around you and see what happening.
I dislike leaving this mess to my grandchildren. I just don't know what kind of life they will live. Just pay attention.

709 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 12:01:28pm

re: #708 reaganII

Students in college are being nationalized against this country.

Oh noes!

710 reaganII  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 12:04:39pm

re: #709 wrenchwench
What does Oh noes mean?

711 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:15:59pm

re: #710 reaganII

What does Oh noes mean?

It's sarcasm, sorry. I don't think "nationalized" was the word you are looking for.

I was moved to sarcasm by your notion that Glenn Beck is doing anything to prevent disaster. If we have a political disaster, I would blame Beck for contributing to it.

712 mlog  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:45:00pm

One of the Saul Alinsky models is to silence your detractors. Is the America we want an America where we all have to conform to the accepted mind-speak?
Boycotting sponsors of a show that advocates an opinion someone disagrees with is an accepted form of protest. Likewise, so is boycotting companies that pull their ads from a show that you agree with.
If Beck wants to fight back, he should inform his supporters about which companies are not supporting him.

713 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:49:22pm
714 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:44:50pm

re: #713 reaganII

OK, I think I understand what you mean. I never heard of the Apollo Alliance though, so I googled it. The third link shows it is something Glenn Beck talked about.

Does it not concern anyone but me that we have Communist, Socialist surrounding the President of the United States who he has to answer to???

I believe those around the President answer to him.

Glenn Beck is unhinged, and it looks like you're paying too much attention to him, and not enough to reality.

I believe our government has been hijacked, and it will be too late when everyone fails to listen to the messengers.

If the elections in 2012 are canceled, I will apologize and say, "you were right."

715 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:56:45pm
716 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:20:32pm

re: #713 reaganII

You think our government has been hijacked? This is absurd. I mean- completely absurd. We still have three separate branches of government with checks and balances on each other. No one has hijacked any of them, nor has any one branch usurped either or both of the other two. You are not thinking clearly, and I suggest you stay away from world net daily. And beck.

717 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:17:32pm
718 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:23:12pm
719 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:39:42pm

re: #717 reaganII

Get off my website.

720 ihateronpaul  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:52:51am

re: #2 Ben Hur

George Bush hates black people.

Kanye West on national television.

*crickets*

hmm if I recall it is considered bad form to drop support for a charity event

721 doubter4444  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:07:53am

re: #719 Charles

Get off my website.

It's disturbing to find that quite a few people are so willing to kill the patent in order to save him

722 ihateronpaul  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:22:05am

re: #721 doubter4444

It's disturbing to find that quite a few people are so willing to kill the patent in order to save him

what happened? his post was deleted...a synopsis?

723 doubter4444  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:55:17am

re: #716 Sharmuta

You think our government has been hijacked? This is absurd. I mean- completely absurd. We still have three separate branches of government with checks and balances on each other. No one has hijacked any of them, nor has any one branch usurped either or both of the other two. You are not thinking clearly, and I suggest you stay away from world net daily. And beck.

It would be ridiculous, if it were not so serious.
Someone like this guy is going to do something someday.
I pray that he/they are caught well before the act.
It's not just health insurance.
It's everything. And it's being stoked by unscrupulous players, who play people like fiddles.

724 doubter4444  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:01:16am

re: #722 ihateronpaul

what happened? his post was deleted...a synopsis?

Deleted for hate speech, I reckon.
Talking about how the country is under attack and that we need to do something about it... wink, wink.

You know the type.
Never "advocating" violence, just "ready for it", when it comes.

725 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 11:20:29am
726 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:13:40pm

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