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His enemy was time. Or perhaps it was his friend. One never knows for sure.
— Thomas Wolfe, “You Can’t Go Home Again”
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:16:38pm |
Hm, not too crazy about the new reply/quote buttons.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:19:24pm |
Looks like this is the fun thread. The last thread has gotten somewhat hostile. Tempers are running very high these days.
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Desert Dog Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:20:35pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
Looks like this is the fun thread. The last thread has gotten somewhat hostile. Tempers are running very high these days.
Oh yea? You are a $&%*( and should go (*&*%&$*% your %^#^*@ and 2"$"%"^!
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Silvergirl Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:22:18pm |
re: #12 Desert Dog
Oh yea? You are a $&%*( and should go (*&*%&$*% your %^#^*@ and 2"$"%"^!
And your mother is too!
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Desert Dog Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:23:03pm |
re: #13 Syrah
Jump in.The water is fine.
I am actually off to bed. Mrs. Desert Dog is threatening to unplug me if I do not log off. Thanks to you all for the brain exercises.
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Mike Nargizian Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:23:37pm |
9/11: SCIENCE AND CONSPIRACY
NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC CHANNEL
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Syrah Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:24:05pm |
re: #5 Silvergirl
But on the other hand . . .
What is that you have on your other hand?
WIll it wash off?
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Racer X Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:24:42pm |
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Silvergirl Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:25:30pm |
re: #17 Syrah
What is that you have on your other hand?
WIll it wash off?
I'm unsure.
Perhaps One never knows for sure.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:25:32pm |
His enemy was time. Or perhaps it was his friend. One never knows for sure.
The first person to invent a time machine will discover the answer, I presume.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:26:55pm |
re: #21 freetoken
The first person to invent a time machine will discover the answer, I presume.
Doctor Emmett L. Brown?!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:28:52pm |
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Syrah Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:30:18pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:33:53pm |
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pat Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:37:03pm |
Whoa. Naomi Wolf: The Veil and Burgua As Symbols Of Modern Feminism.
[Link: www.smh.com.au...]
Another Liberal hits the intellectual skids. Like Medina earlier, when denial becomes acceptance. The Stockholm Captivity of Liberalism. Fear of Islam has turned into an embrace. lol
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:38:11pm |
re: #29 pat
Whoa. Naomi Wolf: The Veil and Burgua As Symbols Of Modern Feminism.
[Link: www.smh.com.au...]Another Liberal hits the intellectual skids. Like Medina earlier, when denial becomes acceptance. The Stockholm Captivity of Liberalism. Fear of Islam has turned into an embrace. lol
Once again, Ms. Wolf demonstrates her cowardice and moral blindness.
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Cato Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:40:48pm |
Charles,
I just watched a 1/2 hour of Glenn Beck. It was my first sustained watching other than clips. While he seems unstable, the issues he raised about avowed Marxists in the administration seemed legitimate. Most of the quotes he used were backed by audio tapes, and the quotes were outrageous.
It seems to me that, in this show at least, he provided a service. I had not seen this anywhere else in the media.
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:41:10pm |
I do it because someone has to...The Rolling Stones Time Is On My Side
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:43:09pm |
re: #31 Cato
Charles,
I just watched a 1/2 hour of Glenn Beck. It was my first sustained watching other than clips. While he seems unstable, the issues he raised about avowed Marxists in the administration seemed legitimate. Most of the quotes he used were backed by audio tapes, and the quotes were outrageous.
It seems to me that, in this show at least, he provided a service. I had not seen this anywhere else in the media.
The problem is that Glen Beck's instability discredits anything he says.
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pat Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:45:54pm |
I agree with both of you on Beck. Not my show, really. But he is the one who has the office talking. And many are researching what he says. I have not. I am sure the MSM will do it for me.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:46:13pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that Glen Beck's instability discredits anything he says.
Well, yes and no. In many cases (not just Beck, and not just in politics), the source gets doubted and automatically the info gets doubted, even if the truth is there. Not saying this is the way it is with Beck, but a lot of times, the source credibility gets ruined even if the info is 100% legitimate. It's why people doubted all the info about Barack Obama, because the sources included right-wing sources, so it was simply thought to destroy him and be fabricated since it was so outrageous.
Sucks that source credibility is so important that it often overrules otherwise worthy info.
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:47:16pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
Well said as per usual. His instability actually turns people off. As to his so called high ratings, I suspect many just tune in hoping to see the exact moment when he implodes.
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:51:00pm |
Dark_Falcon, another thing that bothers me greatly is the crying and overt displays of emotionalism. I'm not a touchy feely kind of guy.
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Karridine Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:51:13pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that Glen Beck's instability discredits anything he says.
Only for those unwilling to listen to and investigate with their OWN DUE DILIGENCE the events he reports...
Instability CAN be seen to taint his presentations, but the facts remain factual...
See BEYOND Glen Beck (beyond the Glen Becks of our world), Sir...
We shortchange ourselves when we use 'Glen Beck is an unstable moron' as an ad hominem excuse for not listening carefully to what he's REPORTING...
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SixDegrees Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:51:17pm |
re: #34 pat
I agree with both of you on Beck. Not my show, really. But he is the one who has the office talking. And many are researching what he says. I have not. I am sure the MSM will do it for me.
For better or worse, though, what the office is talking about is what a loon he is. It's saying the same things the crowd leaving the freak show says, and is watching for the same reasons. There's just something fascinating about watching someone trainwreck themselves, whether it's Beck or JoJo the Dog-Faced Woman.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:52:32pm |
re: #31 Cato
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Sharmuta Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:53:30pm |
re: #31 Cato
People finding marxists under every bed make me think of Birchers.
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:55:24pm |
re: #38 Karridine
Glenn Beck is not the only one talking about folks like Van Jones, hell Charles had a post about him. Glenn Beck at the very least has on obsessive compulsive personality disorder. I listen to him on the radio everyday, and its Van Jones and the Czars repeated in and endless loop with slight variations.
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SixDegrees Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:55:47pm |
re: #41 Sharmuta
People finding marxists under every bed make me think of Birchers.
It makes me think someone needs one of these, badly.
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pat Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:57:29pm |
re: #39 SixDegrees
You are wrong. Perhaps I did not make the inference clear. He is being taken very seriously. They are Googling the names of Obama personnel. Not the Dof=Faced Woman. And i have to hear the findings every morning. he has 3 million viewers. How many does the Dog=Faced Woman have?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:57:44pm |
re: #38 Karridine
Only for those unwilling to listen to and investigate with their OWN DUE DILIGENCE the events he reports...
Instability CAN be seen to taint his presentations, but the facts remain factual...
See BEYOND Glen Beck (beyond the Glen Becks of our world), Sir...
We shortchange ourselves when we use 'Glen Beck is an unstable moron' as an ad hominem excuse for not listening carefully to what he's REPORTING...
The problem, friend, is that too many people only get their news through an MSM filter. Given how anything Glen Beck finds will be attacked as the product of lunacy, many people will dismiss anything he says accordingly. That is why I say he taints those issues he researches. Your point is well made, but most people don't do their own research.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:58:56pm |
Sweet, Norm MacDonald is going to be on Conan. Fucking hilarious.
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Wasta Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:59:17pm |
re: #39 SixDegrees
For better or worse, though, what the office is talking about is what a loon he is. It's saying the same things the crowd leaving the freak show says, and is watching for the same reasons. There's just something fascinating about watching someone trainwreck themselves, whether it's Beck or JoJo the Dog-Faced Woman.
I thought JoJo was a dog-faced boy?
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I Need A Bigger Gun Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:59:23pm |
Pat Buchanan's at it again...
[Link: townhall.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 31, 2009 11:59:25pm |
re: #41 Sharmuta
People finding marxists under every bed make me think of Birchers.
You don't get it Sharm, 'cuz you're not a Bircher. Once you join, bestow upon you their secret "Destroyer Vision", which, when used properly, allows you to see hidden Reds everywhere.
/
//What am I saying? Giving away too many secrets... must be water fluoridation affecting my precious bodily fluids...
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:00:07am |
re: #45 Dark_Falcon
The problem, friend, is that too many people only get their news through an MSM filter. Given how anything Glen Beck finds will be attacked as the product of lunacy, many people will dismiss anything he says accordingly. That is why I say he taints those issues he researches. Your point is well made, but most people don't do their own research.
So what's the verdict on his claims? I'll be the first to admit that I haven't done due diligence with some of the stuff he says. LGF gets crowded with insults here and craziness there that any research on the actual claims seem to get lost in the shuffle. I just end up scanning over it and even if I read it, it doesn't get retained.
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SixDegrees Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:00:56am |
re: #44 pat
You are wrong. Perhaps I did not make the inference clear. He is being taken very seriously. They are Googling the names of Obama personnel. Not the Dof=Faced Woman. And i have to hear the findings every morning. he has 3 million viewers. How many does the Dog=Faced Woman have?
No, I'm right.
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SixDegrees Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:02:34am |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:03:30am |
re: #50 TheMatrix31
So what's the verdict on his claims? I'll be the first to admit that I haven't done due diligence with some of the stuff he says. LGF gets crowded with insults here and craziness there that any research on the actual claims seem to get lost in the shuffle. I just end up scanning over it and even if I read it, it doesn't get retained.
His concerns about Van Jones seem valid, but they need to be expressed better. More needs to be done in terms of findsing out what Jones is actually doing, rather than simply repeating Beck's concerns over and over again,
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SixDegrees Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:04:59am |
re: #55 Wasta
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
...and the link...
Thanks.
Who knew there were so many of them? Maybe they have conventions?
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Karridine Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:05:41am |
re: #45 Dark_Falcon
...too many people only get their news through an MSM filter...
Yeah... I hear you.
I concur yr analysis on this, DFalcon
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:06:17am |
re: #54 Dark_Falcon
I'm not a fan of Mr. Jones and do not approve of his role in the government, but Beck is obsessed with him, and I mean obsessed. You really have to listen to Beck's radio show to get the full flavor of his kookery.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:06:23am |
re: #54 Dark_Falcon
His concerns about Van Jones seem valid, but they need to be expressed better. More needs to be done in terms of findsing out what Jones is actually doing, rather than simply repeating Beck's concerns over and over again,
Yep.
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SummerSong Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:08:54am |
I am standing for a reason...Do you know?
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Karridine Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:09:00am |
re: #50 TheMatrix31
A hundred updings, Matrix!
Beck may be an institutionalized LOONIE, but (like John's mother in Terminator) RIGHT on an issue or two, now and then... WHAT are THE FACTS?
/not shouting, just emphasizing s'all...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:09:29am |
So, let me tally up the score card.
Obama is a Marxist. Check.
Bush was an Imperialist. Check.
Both of the are/were Hitler. Double check.
Phew, glad I got that cleared up. No politically stupid hyperbole there at all. This assessment should definitely improve political discourse in this country.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:10:51am |
re: #63 Slumbering Behemoth
So, let me tally up the score card.
Obama is a Marxist. Check.
Bush was an Imperialist. Check.Both of the are/were Hitler. Double check.
Phew, glad I got that cleared up. No politically stupid hyperbole there at all. This assessment should definitely improve political discourse in this country.
Well, to be fair, there's more evidence pointing to Obama being a radical than Bush being an Imperialist. The Hitler claims are fucking stupid for both.
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leftover54 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:14:44am |
re: #16 Mike Nargizian
Good show(s) - this back to back with the 'Saddams Reign of Terror'. Repeats but still good to brush up on the facts - ya never know when you might get cornered at a cocktail party... Amazing just how entrenched these 'truthers' are.
I'd expect a family member to 'take me out' if I ever got that bad...
Just as long as I don't see it coming is the only thing I ask... oh, and if you could make it painless too. What are brothers for ?
Freakin' loons.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:16:24am |
re: #64 TheMatrix31
The Hitler claims are fucking stupid for both.
And foolishly minimize the inhumane acts commited under Nazi rule, and diminish the suffering of those subjected to it.
High five, Lizard!
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Claire Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:17:25am |
So Obama's not a Marxist now? Are you sure? Coulda fooled me. The whole class warfare, pro-union, leveling the outcome thing...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:18:22am |
re: #66 Sharmuta
I'd say more Punk than Grunge. But some could argue that Grunge is a derivative of Punk. I dunno. I say Punk.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:22:31am |
re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth
And foolishly minimize the inhumane acts commited under Nazi rule, and diminish the suffering of those subjected to it.
High five, Lizard!
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freetoken Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:23:42am |
re: #48 I Need A Bigger Gun
Pat Buchanan's at it again...
[Link: townhall.com...]
Wow. At least wrt Beck there is an excuse (of sorts - he is an addict with OCD.)
Pat B. is just despicable.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:24:51am |
re: #71 TheMatrix31
Linky no worky.
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austin_blue Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:25:05am |
Damn. Tried to log off on the last thread, but we just had a power surge that threw me off the grid. So here I am, saying a respectful adios. Got a little aggressive tonight, but this is an anti-idiotarian site or it's not. Good night, my friends.
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I Need A Bigger Gun Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:25:50am |
Will the bark of the tea parties and townhall meetings be matched by bite at the ballot box during next year's mid-term elections? It had better, because it may be the last chance that the American people will be listened to by the self-serving scumbags in Washington. If the majority of those running for re-election next year are summarily shitcanned, maybe those that replace them will get the message that we're pissed off at what is taking place, and we'll actually do what we say. Otherwise, if the same old bunch is sent back to D.C., they'll know that no matter how much noise we make, we're just not really THAT serious about things, and they'll continue to do whatever they want to, despite our wishes.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:26:08am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:26:38am |
This is the best episode of Conan ever.
Norm MacDonald AND Thomas Haden Church? Freakin' GREAT!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:27:11am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:29:03am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:29:08am |
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Bloodnok Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:29:41am |
re: #66 Sharmuta
The First Grunge Song?
[Video]Discuss...
The first, and quite possibly still the best. Thanks for posting it!
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:31:48am |
re: #66 Sharmuta
The First Grunge Song?
Discuss...
I would say it's more grunge than punk. It's too slow to be punk.
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Areozol Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:33:15am |
Anti-Vaccine hysteria is again on rise, at least among few of my country's bloggers. They blame NWO, UN, WHO and corporations for conspiring the extermination of the humanity.
Ironically, they all had undergone compulsory vaccination in their childhood, thus they didn't suffer polio or smallpox.
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Diego Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:36:13am |
re: #31 Cato
It seems to me that, in this show at least, he provided a service.
So, you were serviced by Glen Beck? Eww..
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:36:55am |
re: #83 Sharmuta
You know I am a sucker for beatbox (and I still can't say why), but that dude was totally cheating with that recording device.
Here's a female that does it au naturel, as well as young asian dude doing the same.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:38:02am |
re: #85 TheMatrix31
I would say it's more grunge than punk. It's too slow to be punk.
You don't have to be fast to be punk. Just angry. Sloppy also helps.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:39:08am |
re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth
You don't have to be fast to be punk. Just angry. Sloppy also helps.
Eh, I'm just used to the bad-assness of Bad Religion.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:51:34am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:57:10am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:58:18am |
re: #90 Sharmuta
I retract my previous doubtitude. Schlomo certainly has skills.
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Karridine Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:59:01am |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
Goodnight All . See you in the moring.
Or in the mooring...
or in the moaning...
or in the gloaming...
or in the morning...
or in the mourning...
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I Need A Bigger Gun Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:01:49am |
Let's see: Eric Holder has no problems lobbying for the pardon of the biggest tax cheat in American history (Marc Rich). He also has no problems allowing New Black Panthers members to intimidate potential voters in Philadelphia. And now he thinks he has to go after CIA interrogators who are trying to ensure the security of the USA. What could possibly be wrong with that?
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:02:12am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:06:36am |
re: #98 Slumbering Behemoth
I saw the Ramones at a bar in Ft. Lauderdale in the mid 90"s. Some dude jumped from the 3rd balcony. The crowd got out of his way. Looked like it hurt.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:06:41am |
re: #95 Slumbering Behemoth
I retract my previous doubtitude. Schlomo certainly has skills.
I thought what he did with the machine was pretty cool- dude certainly doesn't need stage props.
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Gus Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:10:15am |
re: #48 I Need A Bigger Gun
Pat Buchanan's at it again...
[Link: townhall.com...]
Is he for real? From that link Buchanan said, amongst other half baked assumptions:
Why did he start the war with no surface fleet, no troop transports and only 29 oceangoing submarines?
No surface fleet? That would imply zero surface ships when in fact we find:
Battleship Bismarck - Launched February 1939
Battleship Tirpitz - Launched April 1939Battlecruiser Scharnhorst - Launched October 1936 and Commissioned in January 1939
Battlecruiser Scharnhorst - Launched December 1938 and Commissioned in May 1938
The heavy cruisers Admiral Hipper, Blücher were commissioned in 1939 with the latter being commissioned 19 days after the beginning of WWII. There are dozens of other surface ships. Let alone the fact that he ignores Hitler's focus on the Luftwaffe, Blitzkrieg and later the terror of the V-1 and V-2 rockets.
Today is the 70th anniversary of the start of WWII which began on September 1, 1939. Pat Buchanan remains an imbecile, Nazi apologist and revisionist charlatan.
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The Left Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:10:38am |
Love Thomas Wolfe. Here's another for the lizards of the evening:
Perhaps this is our strange and haunting paradox in America—that we are fixed and certain only when we are in movement. At any rate, this is how it seemed to young George Webber, who was never so assured of his purpose as when he was going somewhere on a train. And he never had the sense of home so much as when he felt that he was going there. It was only when he got there that his homelessness began.
Also from You Can't Go Home Again.
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Karridine Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:13:12am |
re: #103 Gus 802
revisionist charlatan... yes, that sums up Pat Buchanan rather well, Gus!
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Gus Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:14:31am |
re: #105 Karridine
revisionist charlatan... yes, that sums up Pat Buchanan rather well, Gus!
Thanks. I was inspired to those words after reading Buchanan's horse manure.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:15:58am |
re: #86 Areozol
I'll use this as a segue to rant on something semi-related.
One of the employees I work with, who is a nice guy and I consider a friend, is basically, for lack of a better term, a KOOK and one who is totally convinced he's absolutely right about every issue on which he holds kook beliefs. (He's not a Paulian though, I've managed to convinced him that Luap Nor Kookonomics doesn't work with a white board and 5 minutes of free time.)
The latest barrage of kookery coming from him is a complete distrust of conventional medicine and "Big Pharma". I haven't encountered a single quack alternative medicine "theory" that he has not tried or is in the process of trying. He's gotten very pushy about it. Totally convinced "teh corporationz!1!!1" are keeping us I'll to rip us off with bogus treatments that make things worse. Every time I feel a little under the weather, if I make the mistake of mentioning it, I get treated to a half hour lecture on the subject. He seems to be completely incapable of critical thinking or playing devil's advocate with himself to see of "stuff I read on the web" is actually true or not.
The reason for my venting rant is this is happening on a daily basis. He constantly sends everyone in the office links to quack websites and has a quack library of books he insists we read. I don't want to piss him off by launching into a rant about kooks, quacks, and woo woo bullshit... but I'm tired of listening to cartoonish easily debunked bullshit everyday. I get enough of that crap from Paulians and Nirthers. I don't need it at work too.
How do I go about educating someone this far gone without an explosion? Not just for my sanity, but for his own sake if he gets involved in something that does worse to him than just stealing his money.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:17:50am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:20:42am |
How annoying. What did you tell him about the kookanomics?
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:23:26am |
re: #109 TheMatrix31
How annoying. What did you tell him about the kookanomics?
My usual rant about the Gold Standard. Applying some simple 3rd grade math to the realities of it with some visual aids shoots it out of the water. The fact I could convince a kook it didn't work in such a short period of time shows just how shaky and divorced from reality Paulian crap is.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:25:45am |
re: #109 TheMatrix31
Hey, how close are you to the fires?
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:26:00am |
re: #110 ArchangelMichael
My usual rant about the Gold Standard. Applying some simple 3rd grade math to the realities of it with some visual aids shoots it out of the water. The fact I could convince a kook it didn't work in such a short period of time shows just how shaky and divorced from reality Paulian crap is.
I could use some tips on that myself.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:27:03am |
re: #111 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hey, how close are you to the fires?
Not too close bro. The fires are 20 miles across the valley on the other side. Crazy view though when I'm rolling down my hill. I smelled smoke Sunday morning but since then I didn't pick up any scents in the air.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:29:49am |
re: #95 Slumbering Behemoth
I retract my previous doubtitude. Schlomo certainly has skills.
A Newbie posted this beatbox challenge for me on the last beatbox thread. Check it out- barnyard style:
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Gus Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:30:53am |
I can't believe what I'm reading. Read what Pat Buchanan said:
Why, when Paris fell, did Hitler not demand the French fleet, as the Allies demanded and got the Kaiser's fleet? Why did he not demand bases in French-controlled Syria to attack Suez? Why did he beg Benito Mussolini not to attack Greece?
Because Hitler wanted to end the war in 1940, almost two years before the trains began to roll to the camps.
Hitler had never wanted war with Poland, but an alliance with Poland such as he had with Francisco Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, Miklos Horthy's Hungary and Father Jozef Tiso's Slovakia.
Read the bold text. It stands alone. He is defending Hitler by saying he wanted to stop the war before "the trains began to roll to the [concentration] camps."
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Areozol Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:48:38am |
Today in History:
First shots in World War II were fired in Poland:
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:48:47am |
re: #112 TheMatrix31
Well I usually start this way:
In all of the history of the world, only about 7 trillion in 2009 dollars worth of gold has been mined in total. The US GDP is 13 trillion dollars. Even if we had every last ounce of gold mined... EVER, in order to transition from Federal Reserve notes to a gold backed currency we would have to contract our economy by 60%. We cant just change how much Gold is worth relative to other commodities and everyone else's currency to make this transition seamless.
After contracting the economy by 60% (and likely destroying the country in the process creating the worse economic depression since the fall of Rome). Any further economic growth that does not match increases in the supply of gold would result in deflation. Since gold doesn't exactly grow on trees, we would be in a permanent deflationary spiral.
On top of that we have a severe trade imbalance with several Asian countries. We don't manufacture a lot of physical goods in the US anymore. Although all the ins and outs of trade policy are rather complex, more than likely what would happen if we switched to a gold standard is when we purchase Chinese goods with US $Luapnors they will send them back to us in demand for gold. I give it about a decade or two before the US supply of gold is totally gone at the most. To the credit of Paulians, they actually recognize this fact, but their solution is to try to roll back the clock and have us all working in factories to manufacture "things". Bad idea, and even if it wasn't, it's not going to happen. There's a reason most consumer goods are made in Asia. They can do it for pennies on the dollar compared to us, even if they don't use child labor and sweatshops to do it.
If at this point, they aren't convinced... I think they might be beyond help.
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SixDegrees Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:52:49am |
re: #107 ArchangelMichael
I'll use this as a segue to rant on something semi-related.
One of the employees I work with, who is a nice guy and I consider a friend, is basically, for lack of a better term, a KOOK and one who is totally convinced he's absolutely right about every issue on which he holds kook beliefs. (He's not a Paulian though, I've managed to convinced him that Luap Nor Kookonomics doesn't work with a white board and 5 minutes of free time.)
The latest barrage of kookery coming from him is a complete distrust of conventional medicine and "Big Pharma". I haven't encountered a single quack alternative medicine "theory" that he has not tried or is in the process of trying. He's gotten very pushy about it. Totally convinced "teh corporationz!1!!1" are keeping us I'll to rip us off with bogus treatments that make things worse. Every time I feel a little under the weather, if I make the mistake of mentioning it, I get treated to a half hour lecture on the subject. He seems to be completely incapable of critical thinking or playing devil's advocate with himself to see of "stuff I read on the web" is actually true or not.
The reason for my venting rant is this is happening on a daily basis. He constantly sends everyone in the office links to quack websites and has a quack library of books he insists we read. I don't want to piss him off by launching into a rant about kooks, quacks, and woo woo bullshit... but I'm tired of listening to cartoonish easily debunked bullshit everyday. I get enough of that crap from Paulians and Nirthers. I don't need it at work too.
How do I go about educating someone this far gone without an explosion? Not just for my sanity, but for his own sake if he gets involved in something that does worse to him than just stealing his money.
You can't.
People like this are not subject to rational approaches. Their fascination with conspiracy theories are rooted in an emotional need they're trying to fulfill. Often, this is grounded in feelings of inadequacy. Adhering to conspiracy theories puts them in a position where they feel as if they're "in the know" while everyone else is ignorant of "the truth" - a situation that they can derive feeling of empowerment from that are not available to them through normal avenues. Like like professional achievments, mastery of personal skills (archery, woodworking, writing, whatever) or girlfriends.
In short, no amount of facts, evidence or rational argument is going to make any impact on them at all. It's not why they glom onto this crap in the first place, and it will do nothing to dislodge them from it.
Worse, adopting such kookery cuts them off from other more normal human contact - just as you describe, this guy is actively driving coworkers away from himsels - which intensifies the need for emotional support belief in the conspiracy provides, which drives people farther away, which...a vicious, negative feedback loop from which there isn't any escape.
Sometimes, if they're not too far gone, they'll respond to someone who treats them as a friend - something they're not at all used to, but desire. If this works, it may be possible to use your new position of trust to gently point out that conspiracy theories are, if not pure crap, at least not needed.
Or, not. Sometimes, it just isn't possible to reach someone like this. It may be necessary to have a chat with their supervisor to get them to at least keep their beliefs to themselves. Sending Internet links and emails and lending books while spending all sorts of time "discussing" these issues with others is not going to be considered a productive use of company time in most places. Although harsh, this approach may also have a salutory effect if it forces the guy to deal with others on a more normal level; again, this may break the negative feedback that tends to make things worse instead of better.
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SixDegrees Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:55:22am |
re: #115 Gus 802
I can't believe what I'm reading. Read what Pat Buchanan said:
Read the bold text. It stands alone. He is defending Hitler by saying he wanted to stop the war before "the trains began to roll to the [concentration] camps."
Buchanan is a colossal ass who has latched onto Nazi apologetics in recent years. God knows why.
He deserves to be pelted with juicy gobbets of rotten food whenever and wherever he appears.
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Areozol Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:57:05am |
re: #115 Gus 802
I can't believe what I'm reading. Read what Pat Buchanan said:
Hitler had never wanted war with Poland, but an alliance with Poland such as he had with Francisco Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, Miklos Horthy's Hungary and Father Jozef Tiso's Slovakia.
"
Its semi-true: indeed Hitler wanted Poland to join the anti-komintern pact.
But would we be better off? Hardly. Soviets could more easily impose their will on us - instead of People's Republic of Poland you would see Soviet Republic of Poland. Our self-determination cause could be in damaged.
In that time government of Poland seek alliances with France and Great Britain, its priority was to balance between Germany and USSR. Joining Hitler would undermine this policy of balance.
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Gus Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:59:45am |
The Battle of Westerplatte was the very first battle of the Invasion of Poland in the first week of September 1939 and Second World War.
The German navy used the "battleship Schleswig-Holstein and two torpedo boats."
Image from the battle:
German battleship Schleswig-Holstein shelling Westerplatte on September 1, 1939
Image from the ship firing on Poland.
There is the surface war ship at use on September 1, 1939.
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Gus Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:05:22am |
re: #121 Areozol
Its semi-true: indeed Hitler wanted Poland to join the anti-komintern pact.
But would we be better off? Hardly. Soviets could more easily impose their will on us - instead of People's Republic of Poland you would see Soviet Republic of Poland. Our self-determination cause could be in damaged.
In that time government of Poland seek alliances with France and Great Britain, its priority was to balance between Germany and USSR. Joining Hitler would undermine this policy of balance.
I'm really not familiar with the details. I can only assume that Hitler wanted Poland's "cooperation" and created a treaty to appear conciliatory to the press while at the same time he had planned to invade Poland either by force or through said treaty.
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Areozol Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:08:28am |
Defense of the Polish Post Office in Danzig
On September 1, 1939, Polish militiamen defended the building for some 15 hours against assaults by the SS Heimwehr Danzig (SS of the city Danzig), local SA formations and special units of Ordnungspolizei (Danzig police). All but four of the defenders who escaped from the building during the surrender were sentenced to death by a German military court as partisans on October 5, 1939 and executed.
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The Left Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:10:35am |
re: #119 SixDegrees
Excellent post; completely agree. Really well-said.
It's important to realise that because these theories are satisfying emotional needs, and held for emotional reasons, they aren't subject to argument or refutation via reason. It really is a case where the person will hear what he wants to hear and disregard the rest.
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Areozol Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:15:10am |
re: #123 Gus 802
I'm really not familiar with the details. I can only assume that Hitler wanted Poland's "cooperation" and created a treaty to appear conciliatory to the press while at the same time he had planned to invade Poland either by force or through said treaty.
Also consider this: Hitler wanted to create a "Lebensraum" in Poland and eastern USSR after conquest, by exterminating Jews, Poles, Russians and other Slavs. I seriously doubt, if we were spared, even as allies. Probably, most of our land would be annexed by Reich, and only a small Vichy-like puppet state would exist, in a manner of Kingdon of Poland from World War I
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
So, Mr. Buchanan should stop using my country and its tragic history as safety blanked for his blatant revisionism.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:25:52am |
re: #125 iceweasel
And with that I'll leave you with the last track I ever played as a DJ way back in the day before the club closed and I got anti-social. (Crappy quality, this was the best version I could find)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:26:47am |
re: #126 Areozol
So, Mr. Buchanan should stop using my country and its tragic history as safety blanked for his blatant revisionism.
Buchanan should stop using a lot of things. I think crack is one of them.
G'nite Lizards.
G'nite {LoL}, wherever you are...
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Gus Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:27:49am |
re: #126 Areozol
Also consider this: Hitler wanted to create a "Lebensraum" in Poland and eastern USSR after conquest, by exterminating Jews, Poles, Russians and other Slavs. I seriously doubt, if we were spared, even as allies. Probably, most of our land would be annexed by Reich, and only a small Vichy-like puppet state would exist, in a manner of Kingdon of Poland from World War I
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
So, Mr. Buchanan should stop using my country and its tragic history as safety blanked for his blatant revisionism.
Indeed.
Hitlers actions of course speak for itself and clearly nullifies the evil revisionism from the likes of Buchanan. He even ignores Mein Kampf and Hitler's own words (translated) with regards to his ideal of Aryanism and his twisted conspiratorial mind:
"...for the higher he climbs, the more alluring his old goal that was once promised him rises from the veil of the past, and with feverish avidity his keenest minds see the dream of world domination tangibly approaching."
The call for the 3rd Reich was world domination and it came to a halt with Russia but encompassed most of Western Europe and North Africa. The fact that they were in North Africa shows clearly that it went beyond Lebensraum.
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Areozol Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:36:23am |
re: #129 Gus 802
The call for the 3rd Reich was world domination and it came to a halt with Russia but encompassed most of Western Europe and North Africa. The fact that they were in North Africa shows clearly that it went beyond Lebensraum.
During invasion on USSR (operation "Barbarossa"), the dislike for Stalin rule in USSR in Ukraine (remember the Great Famine of 1930's?) and other Soviet Republics was so strong, that people welcomed Wehrmacht soldiers with flowers!
Of course, Hitler considered them as sub-humans, and soon they were suffering greatly from Nazi rule of terror.
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Areozol Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:39:39am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:01:30am |
Heh...I'm watching an episode of Two And A Half Men right now where they're trying to conserve money because Charlie Sheen is a reckless spender with no income.
Two nice quotes;
"You can't just keep spending money you don't have!"
"Things don't just turn up. You're living in a dream world. Money just doesn't fall from the sky!"
Appropriate.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:35:04am |
Last comment 23 minutes ago?
Well, at least no one's name calling.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:36:56am |
re: #131 Areozol
Welcome to the new Dictator (same as the old Dictator).
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The Left Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:40:22am |
re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Last comment 23 minutes ago?
Well, at least no one's name calling.
Speak for yourself, you sexy bastard! ;)
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:43:04am |
re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's going on, Baby!?
So thats what kind of place this is after hours/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:44:16am |
re: #140 Radicchio ad Absurdum
So thats what kind of place this is after hours/
Umm... This is before hours.
And she's correct, I'm a right sexy bastard.
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The Left Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:45:34am |
re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's going on, Baby!?
Hey doll. ;)
Not much. All is pretty damn great in ice world at the mo. And yourself?
re: #140 Radicchio ad Absurdum
So thats what kind of place this is after hours/
What happens on the LNDT stays on the LNDT...mostly. ;)
No idea who you are but that is an AWESOME nic.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:45:38am |
re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Last comment 23 minutes ago?
Well, at least no one's name calling.
You Bastard!
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Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:46:49am |
re: #131 Areozol
An old Ukrainian neighbor told me about the war. He was studying medicine at university in Kiev when the Germans invaded. He said, "I had enough of Big Mustache, so I thought I'd try Little Mustache. Didn't take long to find out, same bad man, different mustache."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:46:58am |
re: #143 Sharmuta
Ahhh. Like having my belly rubbed...
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:47:12am |
re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Umm... This is before hours.
And she's correct, I'm a right sexy bastard.
Of Course! Your Nic says it all :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:47:33am |
re: #144 Kenneth
Welcome to the new boss (same as the old boss).
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The Left Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:48:25am |
re: #144 Kenneth
An old Ukrainian neighbor told me about the war. He was studying medicine at university in Kiev when the Germans invaded. He said, "I had enough of Big Mustache, so I thought I'd try Little Mustache. Didn't take long to find out, same bad man, different bad mustache."
FTFY ;)
Excellent comment.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:49:02am |
re: #142 iceweasel
What happens on the LNDT stays on the LNDT...mostly. ;)
No idea who you are but that is an AWESOME nic.
Thanks for the compliment. Not around often as I would like to be. I am supposed to be sleeping, but little Raddichio decided to try and wake the dead. A few hours working, and now I am taking a break . . .at 5:45 a.m. [sigh]
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The Left Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:50:41am |
re: #149 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Thanks for the compliment. Not around often as I would like to be. I am supposed to be sleeping, but little Raddichio decided to try and wake the dead. A few hours working, and now I am taking a break . . .at 5:45 a.m. [sigh]
Is the little one's name Reductio ad Arugula? Just wonderin'.
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Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:55:16am |
re: #115 Gus 802
In typical revisionist style, Buchanan takes a sliver of truth, turns it upside down and wraps it around a big fucking lie. The Nazi war plan was for a rapid war with quick victories. They knew they would lose a long war of attrition. They also wanted allies where possible. But Hitler wanted to absorb Poland any way he could and recognized Poland was not going to simply give itself over to Germany. War was inevitable. The extermination of Jews and other social desirable was planned from before the war and would have continued even if Germany had won an early victory. The Holocaust was not a desperate resort by a losing Germany, but the whole point of the war.
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Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:56:55am |
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:59:43am |
Good morning.
The market futures are pointing to a drop at the open.
Looks like the folks just are not down yet with the Obama stimulus.
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:03:23am |
LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Currency trading volumes have slumped by nearly a quarter from record levels, according to a report published Tuesday.
International Financial Services London, in an analysis of spot trading, forwards and currency swaps, said average daily trading fell to $2.86 trillion in April from $3.71 trillion in the same month last year, down about 23%.
Including non-traditional derivatives and products traded on exchanges, volumes fell to $3.1 trillion from $4.08 trillion, down 24%.
The broad-based decline cut across all currency pairs, instrument types and geographic regions, researchers said.
Moreover, weaker global trade due to the economic slowdown, declining hedge-fund activity, and de-leveraging all contributed to the trading decline.
In other words, lots of folks are converting to dollars and then standing pat to ride this out.
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:04:36am |
Look's like the market futures are down close to 1% at the moment.
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UncleRancher Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:07:11am |
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:07:50am |
Goldman Sachs Wrong on Economic Recovery, Macro Hedge Funds Say
Sept. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Paul Tudor Jones, the billionaire hedge-fund manager who outperformed peers last year, is wagering that Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley got it wrong in declaring the start of an economic recovery.
Jones’s Tudor Investment Corp., Clarium Capital Management LLC and Horseman Capital Management Ltd. are taking a bearish stand as U.S. stock and bond prices rise, saying that record government spending may be forestalling another slowdown and market selloff. The firms oversee a combined $15 billion in so- called macro funds, which seek to profit from economic trends by trading stocks, bonds, currencies and commodities.
“If we have a recovery at all, it isn’t sustainable,” Kevin Harrington, managing director at Clarium, said in an interview at the firm’s New York offices. “This is more likely a ski-jump recession, with short-term stimulus creating a bump that will ultimately lead to a more precipitous decline later.”
Look for unemployment to keep growing.
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:09:38am |
Obama’s Threat to Bypass Republicans on Health May Be ‘No Win
Sept. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Threats by President Barack Obama and congressional leaders to push health-care legislation through the Senate without Republican support may be undercut by some Democrats whose support they need.
With bipartisan efforts stalled, Democratic leaders are considering abandoning protocol to pass a measure with as few as 50 votes. Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad and West Virginia’s Robert Byrd, the longest-serving senator in history, have warned against the idea. They aren’t alone.
Resorting to a budget procedure called reconciliation would infuriate Republicans and force Democrats to settle for more limited changes, said Jennifer Duffy, senior editor at the nonpartisan Cook Political Report in Washington.
“Both procedurally and politically, this may be a no- win,” Duffy said.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:12:56am |
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:13:45am |
The gift that keeps on giving, Rod Blagojevich, has a book out already:
Blagojevich says in book Emanuel wanted 'placeholder' appointed to get congressional seat back
Ousted Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich says in a new book that White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel wanted his help in arranging to leave the Obama administration after two years to reclaim his seat in Congress.Blagojevich writes in “The Governor” that Emanuel spoke with him about whether it was possible to appoint a “placeholder” to the congressional seat Emanuel was giving up so that he could win back the seat in 2010 and continue his efforts to become speaker some day.
This creep blames everyone else including hiw father in law for his legal troubles.
Obviously he's trying to make some money and spend it before he gets convicted and sent to the slammer.
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FamHistoryGuy Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:13:47am |
re: #161 3 wood
Perhaps the smarter ones are considering what a few angry voters can do to affect the ballot box. What may have been a sure seat is starting to get a little uncomfortable.
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:18:33am |
re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hope things are okay where you are.
Got the official word yesterday after lunch that the Department I work at is being closed down and my job is over. I'm being kept around temporarily to wind down the financial matters, then it's out the door for me.
It was not a fun afternoon.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:19:35am |
re: #163 3 wood
yep, he's a creep. But, I can't blame him for trying to make a few (more) bucks.
He's not really that credible, so people can call him a liar; even if he's telling the truth.
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UncleRancher Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:19:35am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:21:00am |
re: #165 3 wood
Sorry to hear that. I thought you said the shoe would drop yesterday.
You've been in my thoughts...
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:21:00am |
re: #164 FamHistoryGuy
Perhaps the smarter ones are considering what a few angry voters can do to affect the ballot box. What may have been a sure seat is starting to get a little uncomfortable.
Well, there is what is being called the Liasson Logic, named for Mara Liasson of NPR. She points out that the far left members of Congress are not likely to lose their seats even if the government option is not included, but the Blue Dog Democrats likely will lose their seats if it is included.
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FamHistoryGuy Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:21:45am |
re: #165 3 wood
Sorry to hear that. Seems to be a familiar scene though.
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:23:49am |
re: #167 UncleRancher
Now that sucks. Sorry.
Thanks.
Something will work out. And if nothing else, I can sit back, put my feet up, and claim that it is my right to demand that my neighbor pay for stuff for me.
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Danny Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:25:29am |
re: #153 3 wood
Good morning.
The market futures are pointing to a drop at the open.
Looks like the folks just are not down yet with the Obama stimulus.
Morning 3 Wood. I wish I had some money so I could apply your free financial advice.
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:25:50am |
re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sorry to hear that. I thought you said the shoe would drop yesterday.You've been in my thoughts...
Thank you very kind of you.
It was interesting to hear the suit that did the chopping sit there and tell us how hard this was for him to do.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:26:29am |
re: #171 3 wood
heh... you couldn't do that in a million freakin' years and you know it.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:27:14am |
Sad to hear that 3Wood, but you're invaluable to society considering what you do for mine and everyone else's knowledge here at LGF, so I'm sure things will get in place for ya.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:28:28am |
re: #173 3 wood
Thank you very kind of you.
It was interesting to hear the suit that did the chopping sit there and tell us how hard this was for him to do.
My dad was "whompin'" me once and told me that it was harder for him than it was for me.
I said, "You're not even breaking a sweat!"
It got worse.
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UncleRancher Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:29:42am |
re: #171 3 wood
Thanks.
Something will work out. And if nothing else, I can sit back, put my feet up, and claim that it is my right to demand that my neighbor pay for stuff for me.
Yep, a lot of folks are doing that. There is a major problem still brewing out there. Suddenly small business revenues are below the expense level and instead of producing lots of tax revenue, the flow is reversed and its going to get even worse with loss carry-backs that have now been extended to five years.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:33:35am |
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:33:57am |
re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
heh... you couldn't do that in a million freakin' years and you know it.
*snicker*
I know.. just having my little joke...
I'm working on doing some more adjunct stuff, I've been setting up my own home business doing some specialty wood working projects.
Heck, with my pension from my previous carer, I might just get a gig at a Home Depot or something for the extra dough and get my wood working supplies at cost. Who knows? I've got a friend up in Chicago that sort of wants me to be his CFO for a firm he owns, would involve driving up to Chicago a couple days a week to run his financial office. That might work out too.
I was given 3 months to close out the Departments books here. Probably won't be much to do after another 4 to 5 weeks or so, so I might get a lot of late season golf in.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:34:22am |
re: #21 freetoken
The first person to invent a time machine will discover the answer, I presume.
The last thing time travel ever does is make things easier or clearer. Trust me on this.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:34:41am |
re: #182 JamesTKirk
The last thing time travel ever does is make things easier or clearer. Trust me on this.
Don't listen to my past self. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Yet.
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:34:49am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:34:51am |
re: #183 JamesTKirk
Don't listen to my past self. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Yet.
Screw you, future self.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:34:57am |
Yesterday was the last day before drivers license and car registration to go up 70% to 150% in Florida today. The offices were packed. They had to give out rain checks and all the computers crashed. Can't wait for my free health care!!
/
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razorbacker Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:37:40am |
Suppose that you were one of, if not the, largest manufacturer of consumer electronic goods in the world. Suppose that you were trying to implement an agreement with the largest retailer in the world.
Would you hire a person that you have never met, and never worked with before, to install the very first display in that retailer's test store?
I wouldn't. I'd send a team of my own people to do it.
Oh well. It's a few coins in my pocket, but Lawsy Mercy, it is not what I'd have done, were this my company.
Penny wise and pound foolish, is what I call it.
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:39:35am |
re: #187 taxfreekiller
The work out dept.'s at Bank of America, CI TI Bank, Wells Fargo, and the
commercial lenders are in need.
Yeah, I was thinking along those lines too. Something will pop.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:39:55am |
re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw the Ramones at a bar in Ft. Lauderdale in the mid 90"s. Some dude jumped from the 3rd balcony. The crowd got out of his way. Looked like it hurt.
I saw the Ramones in Baltimore in the mid 90s at a club called HammerJacks, the week before John Waters shot scenes for Serial Mom there.
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UncleRancher Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:40:33am |
re: #181 3 wood
Hey, I love woodworking and wish I had more time to do that. My kid bro spends some of his spare time at Home Depot in there free advice to do-it-yourselfers department.
You have the right attitude. I'm not going to worry about you now.
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:41:24am |
Got to get ready to go teach an early morning class.
Later.
By the way baseball fans, the White Sox conceded the division to the Detroit Tigers last night, trading Jim Thome to the Dodgers for a prospect or two.
They also dumped pitcher Jose Contreras
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:41:52am |
re: #165 3 wood
Doesn't sound like a good afternoon at all. Sorry to hear about it.
Have you thought of applying for positions as a dean? You'd be a good one.
As for the suits, having been in the position to tell people that their contracts will not be renewed I can say that was not much fun either -- I've had to send four outstanding visiting instructors out the door in the past eight years, and I'd have killed to keep any of them.
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The Left Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:42:37am |
re: #185 JamesTKirk
Hey JtK. ;)
I love the in bed meme, and had run across it before (add 'in bed' to fortune cookies). I probably shouldn't give you this, but when that one runs out, the other version I'd heard was 'between the sheets' -- adding that to the end of everything. ;)
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koyaanistaaqa Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:43:05am |
re: #181 3 wood
*snicker*
I know.. just having my little joke...
Keep that up, 3 Wood, very important to maintain your sense of humor in processing a job loss. We're all pullin' for ya!
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:44:48am |
re: #186 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yesterday was the last day before drivers license and car registration to go up 70% to 150% in Florida today. The offices were packed. They had to give out rain checks and all the computers crashed. Can't wait for my free health care!!
/
Hey, it's a right, dontcha know!
//
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:44:57am |
re: #195 iceweasel
Hey JtK. ;)
I love the in bed meme, and had run across it before (add 'in bed' to fortune cookies). I probably shouldn't give you this, but when that one runs out, the other version I'd heard was 'between the sheets' -- adding that to the end of everything. ;)
You know, a lot of people think that the last thing I need is encouragement.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:45:04am |
re: #198 JamesTKirk
You know, a lot of people think that the last thing I need is encouragement.
...in bed.
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The Left Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:46:14am |
re: #198 JamesTKirk
You know, a lot of people think that the last thing I need is encouragement.
...between the sheets.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:46:35am |
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3 wood Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:46:45am |
re: #194 Lucius Septimius
Have you thought of applying for positions as a dean? You'd be a good one.As for the suits, having been in the position to tell people that their contracts will not be renewed I can say that was not much fun either -- I've had to send four outstanding visiting instructors out the door in the past eight years, and I'd have killed to keep any of them.
Thanks, I'm looking into various options, thanks for the compliment.
My only purpose in the comment about the suit is that it's a little hard to work up a whole lot of sympathy for a guy telling you that you are out of work, and he's telling you how hard this is for him, knowing that when he's done doing this he will hop in his provided car and go back to his office and his safe position.
Just a tip to anybody out there who has to let someone go, don't tell them how hard this if for you to do while you are doing it.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:47:04am |
re: #200 iceweasel
...between the sheets.
"She's not my girlfriend. I just like her because she sleeps above the sheets. Four feet above the sheets..."
-Doctor Peter Venkman
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The Left Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:49:00am |
re: #203 JamesTKirk
"She's not my girlfriend. I just like her because she sleeps above the sheets. Four feet above the sheets..."
-Doctor Peter Venkman
Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"!
One of my favourite movies ever, of course.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:50:07am |
re: #205 iceweasel
Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"!
One of my favourite movies ever, of course.
Lessons from 80s movies:
Are you a god? Yes.
Is Sarah Connor home? No.
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razorbacker Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:50:46am |
re: #202 3 wood
I have, in another life, sat on the other side of that desk.
What I knew, but could not tell the employees, was that as soon as I'd finished closing those offices I was out of a job, too.
Shared misery is still misery, of course.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:52:14am |
re: #202 3 wood
My only purpose in the comment about the suit is that it's a little hard to work up a whole lot of sympathy for a guy telling you that you are out of work, and he's telling you how hard this is for him, knowing that when he's done doing this he will hop in his provided car and go back to his office and his safe position.Just a tip to anybody out there who has to let someone go, don't tell them how hard this if for you to do while you are doing it.
I've made a point of not doing that, and have been able to remain on good terms with my former minions, all of whom have frankly been able to go on to better jobs than I could have given them.
My big boss gave me a po'mouthing not long ago. Uh, dude -- when you get to live in a 4.5 mil house, have a 600K "beach house", and make 6 times what I do, it's hard for me to feel a lot of sympathy. His pay "cut" (based on the same percentage as mine) was about the same as my total salary and benefits, but he wanted me to feel sorry for him.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:52:54am |
re: #207 razorbacker
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased – thus do we refute entropy." —Spider Robinson
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:53:39am |
My thoughts and prayers go out to 3 Wood and the rest going through job changes.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:54:18am |
re: #208 Lucius Septimius
...His pay "cut" (based on the same percentage as mine) was about the same as my total salary and benefits, but he wanted me to feel sorry for him.
Offer to trade paychecks.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:56:57am |
re: #208 Lucius Septimius
My big boss gave me a po'mouthing not long ago. Uh, dude -- when you get to live in a 4.5 mil house, have a 600K "beach house", and make 6 times what I do, it's hard for me to feel a lot of sympathy.
But did he let you eat cake?
//the cake is a lie
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:57:02am |
re: #211 JamesTKirk
Offer to trade paychecks.
I'll suggest that at the next staff meeting.
Today is the day we get to hear fresh lies about the budget. I'm pumped -- the old lies were getting stale.
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UncleRancher Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:59:05am |
One thing everybody should take from these times is the notion that it is possible to operate debt-free. That way when the hammer comes down you don't have to worry about the repo man. I know this is a bad time to bring that up, but times like these underscore the why.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:59:25am |
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:59:45am |
re: #214 UncleRancher
I may have clunkers, but they're mine.
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:00:09am |
re: #214 UncleRancher
One thing everybody should take from these times is the notion that it is possible to operate debt-free. That way when the hammer comes down you don't have to worry about the repo man. I know this is a bad time to bring that up, but times like these underscore the why.
A good lesson for our own governments.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:01:03am |
re: #210 Taqyia2Me
My thoughts and prayers go out to 3 Wood and the rest going through job changes.
Ditto!
re: #202 3 wood
Thanks, I'm looking into various options, thanks for the compliment.
My only purpose in the comment about the suit is that it's a little hard to work up a whole lot of sympathy for a guy telling you that you are out of work, and he's telling you how hard this is for him, knowing that when he's done doing this he will hop in his provided car and go back to his office and his safe position.
Just a tip to anybody out there who has to let someone go, don't tell them how hard this if for you to do while you are doing it.
Rule #1 in a layoff/reduction in force situation: People being told they are out of work have much bigger things on their mind than how "hard" it is for you to tell them they will be unemployed.
Honestly though - people really just don't know what to say. But they should always keep the focus on the soon-to-be-unemployed, and not turn it to themselves.
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UncleRancher Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:01:17am |
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:01:58am |
re: #218 Leonidas Hoplite
A good lesson for our own governments.
Nooo!!! Spend money like drunken sailors!!! That is the "patriotic" thing to do!!!
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:02:27am |
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:03:22am |
re: #214 UncleRancher
You know, we've been going through quite a long rough patch since the twins were born but it would have been magnified had we not had 1) no credit card debt, 2) no car payments and 3) a good deal of equity in the house.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:04:20am |
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:05:09am |
So, my beloved Great Lakes State has had 18 days this summer where the high temp did not leave the 60's. Wow. I'm scared to see our winter.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:05:19am |
re: #224 Spenser (with an S)
You know, we've been going through quite a long rough patch since the twins were born but it would have been magnified had we not had 1) no credit card debt, 2) no car payments and 3) a good deal of equity in the house.
Equity is a good thing. Even in this market we could sell our place as a tear-down and still walk away with more than we paid for it.
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:06:37am |
re: #227 Spenser (with an S)
So, my beloved Great Lakes State has had 18 days this summer where the high temp did not leave the 60's. Wow. I'm scared to see our winter.
I was thinking the same thing when I walked out my door to 50s this AM just north of NYC.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:06:38am |
re: #227 Spenser (with an S)
So, my beloved Great Lakes State has had 18 days this summer where the high temp did not leave the 60's. Wow. I'm scared to see our winter.
The Ice Sheet Cometh.
On the upside: mammoth is pretty tasty, I understand.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:07:20am |
re: #230 Lucius Septimius
The Ice Sheet Cometh.
Uh oh ... I just outed myself as a "denier" didn't I?
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:07:38am |
re: #230 Lucius Septimius
The Ice Sheet Cometh.
On the upside: mammoth is pretty tasty, I understand.
I'm gonna need a bigger gun.
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UncleRancher Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:07:43am |
re: #224 Spenser (with an S)
You know, we've been going through quite a long rough patch since the twins were born but it would have been magnified had we not had 1) no credit card debt, 2) no car payments and 3) a good deal of equity in the house.
Excellent! Only one more step to go and you'll get there when you burn that mortgage. (I've done that 3 times in my life and it do feel GOOD.)
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:08:34am |
re: #230 Lucius Septimius
The Ice Sheet Cometh.
On the upside: mammoth is pretty tasty, I understand.
Yeah but you need a big gun to bring one of those down...speaking of which, are gun sales still going gangbusters or have they cooled off, does anyone know?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:08:37am |
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UncleRancher Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:09:38am |
re: #234 Leonidas Hoplite
Yeah but you need a big gun to bring one of those down...speaking of which, are gun sales still going gangbusters or have they cooled off, does anyone know?
I tried to buy some ammo the other day. The shelves were empty. The production facility near here is on overtime.
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:10:19am |
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:10:33am |
re: #235 MandyManners
*whack*
"Cutie" my foot.
*grumble*
You've got cute feet? Well, that's something at least.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:11:01am |
re: #237 opnion
Hmmm, I'll get a new line.
Nah, you can keep it. It just spawned a moment of paranoia on a gloomy morn.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:11:15am |
re: #239 taxfreekiller
Book Al Gore in for speaking engagements like 5 nights a week, keep the hot air flowing.
And put the world to sleep.
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UncleRancher Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:11:40am |
re: #239 taxfreekiller
Book Al Gore in for speaking engagements like 5 nights a week, keep the hot air flowing.
Snake oil is selling very well these days.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:11:45am |
re: #233 UncleRancher
Yeah... that's going to be a while. I did not mean to imply that we're good, just not as bad as it would have been had we not made those decisions. I was unemployed for 5 months this winter/spring and have recently begun contract work to at least bring in some income. Those principles, however, remain the only way to run a household.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:12:04am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:12:09am |
re: #239 taxfreekiller
Book Al Gore in for speaking engagements like 5 nights a week, keep the hot air flowing.
No, you forget the Al Gore Effect - whenever he gives his global warming talk, the surrounding area suffers from record cold temperatures.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:13:41am |
re: #246 MandyManners
Back when Sting was fun.
In other words, before he went solo. I love The Police, I hate Sting.
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Koyaanistaaqa Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:14:23am |
re: #221 Lucius Septimius
Nooo!!! Spend money like drunken sailors!!! That is the "patriotic" thing to do!!!
Congresscritters and the Won are doing their best at that. Meanwhile, China is securing their future:
PetroChina to buy 60% in two Canadian oil sands projects
And in previous news:
China wealth-fund chief tips buying spree
Investing those USD in real assets before inflation hits their value hard...
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:15:08am |
re: #240 Lucius Septimius
Nah, you can keep it. It just spawned a moment of paranoia on a gloomy morn.
Yeah, I didn't want to do that to you. Hey about Wazzzup?
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:15:17am |
re: #246 MandyManners
Back when Sting was fun.
That's actually the last album before he started to "go disco" as a friend of mine put it. There are large stretches of Syncronicity that make me want to put sharp objects through my skull.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:16:21am |
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UncleRancher Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:16:50am |
Well I see it's time to go feed the livestock again. Have a great day!
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:16:52am |
re: #248 JamesTKirk
In other words, before he went solo. I love The Police, I hate Sting.
He's so effing serious.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:19:06am |
re: #254 MandyManners
He's so effing serious.
Saw a pop-up video of Sting once. They said he was into "Tantric" sex.
It'd be cool to be rich enough where a woman would be willing to put up with that shit.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:19:22am |
re: #246 MandyManners
Back when Sting was fun.
Sting - the only reason my sister watched and enjoyed Dune.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:19:56am |
re: #227 Spenser (with an S)
So, my beloved Great Lakes State has had 18 days this summer where the high temp did not leave the 60's. Wow. I'm scared to see our winter.
We've been really cool on the east coast as well.
And rainy. What I worry about is the cold and rain equals snow and ice. Will stock up on lots of rock salt this fall. And firewood.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:20:02am |
re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw a pop-up video of Sting once. They said he was into "Tantric" sex.
It'd be cool to be rich enough where a woman would be willing to put up with that shit.
Those of us who work for a living don't have time to spend twenty hours a day having sex. I barely manage three.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:20:05am |
re: #256 JamesTKirk
Sting - the only reason my sister watched and enjoyed Dune.
There is not enough landmass to grow enough dope to make that movie even vaguely comprehensible.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:20:40am |
re: #258 JamesTKirk
Those of us who work for a living don't have time to spend twenty hours a day having sex. I barely manage three.
We've reached the point where we have hallway sex. We pass each other in the hallway and say "F*ck you!"
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:21:01am |
re: #260 Lucius Septimius
We've reached the point where we have hallway sex. We pass each other in the hallway and say "F*ck you!"
I'll have to use that one on the Mrs. Fish.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:21:28am |
re: #260 Lucius Septimius
We've reached the point where we have hallway sex. We pass each other in the hallway and say "F*ck you!"
My wife and I have oral sex. I say "screw you!" and she says "bite me!"
-Sean Morey
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:22:01am |
Just an observation, I keep hearing about the death of the Republican Party. Yet Obama's numbers are tanking, Pelosi & Reid can't get much worse.
Republicans win generic polls & are projected to pick up a minimum of
twenty House seats. Doesn't sound dead to me.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:22:22am |
re: #262 JamesTKirk
My wife and I have oral sex. I say "screw you!" and she says "bite me!"
-Sean Morey
Asked my wife once, "Am I hurting you?"
She said, "No. You're just annoying me."
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:22:28am |
re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw a pop-up video of Sting once. They said he was into "Tantric" sex.
It'd be cool to be rich enough where a woman would be willing to put up with that shit.
P.S. I'd upding you again if I could just for the pop-up video reference. I used to love that show.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:22:40am |
re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw a pop-up video of Sting once. They said he was into "Tantric" sex.
It'd be cool to be rich enough where a woman would be willing to put up with that shit.
Sex? What's that?
In two months and 16 days, I will celebrate being celibate for a decade.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:23:43am |
re: #266 MandyManners
In two months and 16 days, I will celebrate being celibate for a decade.
In bed?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:24:32am |
I reckon yesterday is fresh in The Kid's mind. He was a beastie before school so he didn't get ice cream on the way home from school nor did he get to go to country club after dinner to play. Perfect little dude today.
Gotta' git.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:25:13am |
re: #263 opnion
Just an observation, I keep hearing about the death of the Republican Party. Yet Obama's numbers are tanking, Pelosi & Reid can't get much worse.
Republicans win generic polls & are projected to pick up a minimum of
twenty House seats. Doesn't sound dead to me.
More of the Panhandle strategy -- convince Republicans that the GOP is dead and maybe they won't vote or at least put forward candidates who can't possibly win but are there for "symbolic" reasons.
It worked like a charm in 2008.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:25:33am |
Prophetic words from the late Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn : "The timid civilized world has found nothing with which to oppose the onslaught of a sudden revival of barefaced barbarity, other than concessions and smiles."
/and a 9/11 green project Day of Service
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:25:45am |
re: #265 JamesTKirk
P.S. I'd upding you again if I could just for the pop-up video reference. I used to love that show.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:27:44am |
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:30:20am |
re: #269 Lucius Septimius
More of the Panhandle strategy -- convince Republicans that the GOP is dead and maybe they won't vote or at least put forward candidates who can't possibly win but are there for "symbolic" reasons.
It worked like a charm in 2008.
I do love it when "Progressives" even here give the GOP advice on how to regain their footing. Basically it is advice to have a big purge, you know like the Dems would never do.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:30:28am |
...and then LGF grinds to a halt as we all click on each other's YouTube videos...
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rain of lead Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:30:37am |
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:30:37am |
re: #227 Spenser (with an S)
yesterday, it was a chilly one. My home town had a low that was in single digits. Also have the same forecast for the whole week. Winter is really going to suck this year. Time to invest in a shovel and start looking for some local sidewalk/driveway contracts for that extra dough.
/oh yeah, Good morning one and all.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:31:03am |
re: #234 Leonidas Hoplite
Yeah but you need a big gun to bring one of those down...speaking of which, are gun sales still going gangbusters or have they cooled off, does anyone know?
Still going gangbusters, sales have slacked-off on the dbr's but for handguns & ammo they're flying off the shelves. The current thinking on ammo is that supplies may catch-up to demand in a year to a year-and-a-half...maybe.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:31:27am |
re: #275 JamesTKirk
...and then LGF grinds to a halt as we all click on each other's YouTube videos...
in bed...
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MJ Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:31:29am |
Ahmadinejad Plans U.N. Visit
TEHRAN, Aug. 31 -- With weeks to go until a U.S. deadline for opening talks, a spokesman for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Monday that he plans to travel to New York to give a speech during the annual meeting of the United Nations General Assembly on Sept. 23...
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Wonder if the faculty of Columbia University will honor Ahmadinejad with a "Man of the Year" award? Or perhaps Juan Cole can go over to his hotel room and be the whore he actually is for the Iranian regime.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:31:37am |
re: #263 opnion
Just an observation, I keep hearing about the death of the Republican Party. Yet Obama's numbers are tanking, Pelosi & Reid can't get much worse.
Republicans win generic polls & are projected to pick up a minimum of
twenty House seats. Doesn't sound dead to me.
I think we, and people on the net in general pay more attention to the nuts and kooks than the vast majority.
The Dems are over-reaching and people who slept through 2008 are waking up.
The AFL CIO is turning cartwheels to keep Dems as gov in Virginia and NJ. Those elections will tell a lot about where we are.
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:34:41am |
re: #281 VioletTiger
I think we, and people on the net in general pay more attention to the nuts and kooks than the vast majority.
The Dems are over-reaching and people who slept through 2008 are waking up.
The AFL CIO is turning cartwheels to keep Dems as gov in Virginia and NJ. Those elections will tell a lot about where we are.
Great observations. I do think at times the GOP is held to an impossible standard while the Dems get lots of slack. It does seem that way to me.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:34:54am |
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:35:59am |
re: #282 opnion
Great observations. I do think at times the GOP is held to an impossible standard while the Dems get lots of slack. It does seem that way to me.
Well, when the media is on your side it's easier to get the slack.
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UFO TOFU Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:37:24am |
re: #248 JamesTKirk
In other words, before he went solo. I love The Police, I hate Sting.
I think that I like Andy Summers' solo work better than Sting's.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:37:25am |
Home school is now in session -- gotta run and edjumucate the youngin's.
On today's agenda:
Division of two digit numbers
More fractions
European shipbuilding 1200-1500
Bony fish
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:38:38am |
re: #284 Leonidas Hoplite
Well, when the media is on your side it's easier to get the slack.
Actually, I think that it is sad that the Media has dropped all pretense
of impartiality, you know something lost.
They are meant to provide a valueable service & report objectively in spite of any bias. That is no longer the case.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:38:44am |
re: #286 Lucius Septimius
Do your kids do the Chicago or Singapore math? Can't quite wrap my brain around that, but my daughter is thriving under it.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:40:34am |
re: #289 Irish Rose
Morning, Rose. We were just discussing the summer frost warnings in our lovely state.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:42:26am |
re: #288 Spenser (with an S)
Do your kids do the Chicago or Singapore math? Can't quite wrap my brain around that, but my daughter is thriving under it.
Neither -- we're using the Direct Instruction model developed by Siegfried Engelmann.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:43:52am |
re: #291 Lucius Septimius
re: #288 Spenser (with an S)
Neither -- we're using the Direct Instruction model developed by Siegfried Engelmann.
I'll check it out. Princess is scoring like 99% in her math placements and I want her to stay that way.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:43:59am |
Several Core Constituencies Souring on Obama
President Barack Obama's job approval rating is down to 42%, with a decline in approval from Democrats the leading factor.
The latest Zogby Interactive poll of 4,518 likely voters conducted from August 28-31 found 48% disapprove and 42% approve of the job Obama is doing. The poll found 75% of Democrats approve of Obama's performance, a drop of 13 points among Democrats from an interactive poll done July 21-24 of this year. That same poll found 48% of all likely voters approving of Obama's job performance, and 49% disapproving.
In the most recent poll, 8% of Republicans and 37% of Independents approve of Obama's job performance. Both are down slightly from six weeks ago; two points among Republicans and three among Independents.
/bummer
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:45:01am |
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Pullus Iulius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:46:04am |
re: #281 VioletTiger
The AFL CIO is turning cartwheels to keep Dems as gov in Virginia and NJ. Those elections will tell a lot about where we are.
Yeah. The proggies have even dug up the VA GOP candidate's 1989 master's thesis to try to scare away the voters in Northernvirginia. Like, everybody whose thinking hasn't changed in any way in twenty years please raise your hands. If I recall correctly, I was a registered democrat in 1989.
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MNsnowlizard Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:46:27am |
Right now, time has been my enemy...Just a little more time, that is all I want...2 days before my birthday my dad gets laid off at the age of 61. What the hell? Then a week later my mom lands in the hospital. Find out that like me last year, she needs heart valve replacement, only instead of one she needs 2 new valves. Last Thursday she was taken to the same hospital where I had my surgery and where I recuperated after my cardiac effusion last year. Her blood pressure was low, so the docs were trying to get her bp up and the fluid off her lungs (she also suffered from congestive heart failure). Sunday morning she was fine. The docs thought she could have her angiogram on Monday. She didn't make it to Monday, we got the call Sunday evening she went into v-fib and they could not get her back.
Right now the world keeps turning but for me my world is ending. I still have my dad and sister, but to lose my mom, I don't know what I am going to do. If only I would have had a little more time...
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:47:37am |
re: #295 Pullus Iulius
If I recall correctly, I was a registered democrat in 1989.
I was a Reaganite in high school. In liberal New England. Talk about being a minority -- good thing I liked debating.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:47:39am |
Goodmorning all!
We watched History Channels"The Crumbling of America "
last night...
Mrs Loader is pissed...No! Not at me!
At the assholes in Washington!!
... I guess I dodged another one!!
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:47:57am |
re: #290 Spenser (with an S)
Morning, Rose. We were just discussing the summer frost warnings in our lovely state.
I don't know about you, but I've had the heavy jacket out already and I'm diving into the sweater bin. Sweetie and I were noticing over the weekend that some of the trees are starting to color up early,
It seems strange... but I remember back to the summers of my youth, and realize that it's not. The weather was always pleasantly cool at back to school time.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:49:52am |
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
Wow!
So sorry to hear that!
Prayers for you and family!!
...STRENGTH!!!
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:50:00am |
re: #295 Pullus Iulius
Yeah. The proggies have even dug up the VA GOP candidate's 1989 master's thesis to try to scare away the voters in Northernvirginia. Like, everybody whose thinking hasn't changed in any way in twenty years please raise your hands. If I recall correctly, I was a registered democrat in 1989.
Heh
Wonder what they will dig up in Jersey. They didn't manage to do much over the summer. I don't think they have much on Christie. They did try to connect him to somebody connected to Bush. If that's the best they've got, Corzine is toast.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:50:48am |
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
I'm very sorry for your loss. Please accept my prayers for you and your family.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:51:21am |
re: #299 Irish Rose
I don't know about you, but I've had the heavy jacket out already and I'm diving into the sweater bin. Sweetie and I were noticing over the weekend that some of the trees are starting to color up early,
It seems strange... but I remember back to the summers of my youth, and realize that it's not. The weather was always pleasantly cool at back to school time.
It's even chilly here.
I'm heading up to Canada for a business trip this afternoon. I suppose I should bring a jacket.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:53:41am |
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
An up-ding is a show of support.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:56:01am |
re: #303 VioletTiger
Where in Canada are you going? Might be able to give you some "wardrobe" pointers.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:56:23am |
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
My thoughts be with you in this time.
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rightside Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:57:02am |
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
My thoughts and prayers for you during this difficult time.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:58:07am |
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
So sorry for your loss MNsnowlizard.
I lost my Mom about 3 years ago in a similar fashion. She seemed to be recovering and then went downhill so fast.
She's your angel now, looking out for you as always.
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Miss Trixie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:58:15am |
♪ ♬ Good morning, lizards! ♬ ♪
We've a loverly, sunny day in the valley and fall is definately in the air as it's only 50F and the Maples are already faintly blushing crimson.
And my toes are cold. Soon I'll have to put away my pretty summer open-toed high-heels and rummage 'round the closet for something warmer. :(
Ick.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:58:45am |
re: #307 BlueCanuck
Where in Canada are you going? Might be able to give you some "wardrobe" pointers.
Toronto. Not exactly far north, but is it chily now?
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Miss Trixie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:00:20am |
{ {MNsnowlizard} }
I'm so sorry for your loss, please accept my sincerest condolences for you and your family.
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LoquaciousLady Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:01:17am |
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
Lost my mom when she was 64. It's certainly too soon. My thoughts and prayers are with you, your sister and dad. It can be lonely in the world without a mom.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:01:46am |
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
Right now, time has been my enemy...Just a little more time, that is all I want...2 days before my birthday my dad gets laid off at the age of 61. What the hell? Then a week later my mom lands in the hospital. Find out that like me last year, she needs heart valve replacement, only instead of one she needs 2 new valves. Last Thursday she was taken to the same hospital where I had my surgery and where I recuperated after my cardiac effusion last year. Her blood pressure was low, so the docs were trying to get her bp up and the fluid off her lungs (she also suffered from congestive heart failure). Sunday morning she was fine. The docs thought she could have her angiogram on Monday. She didn't make it to Monday, we got the call Sunday evening she went into v-fib and they could not get her back.
Right now the world keeps turning but for me my world is ending. I still have my dad and sister, but to lose my mom, I don't know what I am going to do. If only I would have had a little more time...
Sorry for your loss.
There never seems to be enough time.
Hang in there - time steals, but it also heals.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:02:04am |
re: #312 VioletTiger
Toronto. Not exactly far north, but is it chily now?
Currently it's 12° C and will get up to 22° C. or up to 72 degrees farenheit. Bring a jacket, and maybe a sweater for later if you are staying till after sundown. ;)
/Torontonian myself.
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Miss Trixie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:02:16am |
re: #307 BlueCanuck
Where in Canada are you going? Might be able to give you some "wardrobe" pointers.
Watch out for our Canuck wardrobe malfunctions! You'll freeze yer floaties off! :D
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Dreader1962 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:03:03am |
re: #290 Spenser (with an S)
Morning, Rose. We were just discussing the summer frost warnings in our lovely state.
I check out the Weather Channel website for my old hometown back in Michigan every now and then - I miss the 4 distinct seasons. I live in Georgia now.
Anyway, I also check out the stats for Barrow, Alaska (just because it's an interesting place being the northernmost place in the US). Anyway, I was confused when I noticed that the high temperature for August 1st was 122 degrees. Obviously wrong, but it's not the first strange stat that I've seen on that website.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:03:11am |
re: #318 Miss Trixie
Watch out for our Canuck wardrobe malfunctions! You'll freeze yer floaties off! :D
Not a problem for me. I have a built in furnace with insulation. ;)
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:03:12am |
re: #317 BlueCanuck
Currently it's 12° C and will get up to 22° C. or up to 72 degrees farenheit. Bring a jacket, and maybe a sweater for later if you are staying till after sundown. ;)
/Torontonian myself.
Do you have any restaurant recs? Nothing too fancy, just good local stuff.
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:04:02am |
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
Right now, time has been my enemy...Just a little more time, that is all I want...2 days before my birthday my dad gets laid off at the age of 61. What the hell? Then a week later my mom lands in the hospital. Find out that like me last year, she needs heart valve replacement, only instead of one she needs 2 new valves. Last Thursday she was taken to the same hospital where I had my surgery and where I recuperated after my cardiac effusion last year. Her blood pressure was low, so the docs were trying to get her bp up and the fluid off her lungs (she also suffered from congestive heart failure). Sunday morning she was fine. The docs thought she could have her angiogram on Monday. She didn't make it to Monday, we got the call Sunday evening she went into v-fib and they could not get her back.
Right now the world keeps turning but for me my world is ending. I still have my dad and sister, but to lose my mom, I don't know what I am going to do. If only I would have had a little more time...
A gentle hug for you, it's going to be OK.
I lost both of my parents, some years ago. I remember how much pain I went through when my parents passed on, but it was hardest for me when my mom died... she was my anchor, and we were very close.
I firmly believe that our lives do not end, when we leave this world. Your mom knows how much you loved her, and she is still with you... you will see her again.
I received this little poem from a friend when my mom passed away, and now I'd like to pass it on to you. Please print it out and keep it in your wallet, it will be a comfort to you on the days when you feel overwhelmed with sadness.
Do not stand at my grave and weep.
I am not there; I do not sleep.I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glints on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn's rain.When you wake up to morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.Do not stand at my grave and cry.
I am not there. I did not die.
Prayers going out to you and your family.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:04:11am |
re: #321 VioletTiger
Do you have any restaurant recs? Nothing too fancy, just good local stuff.
Depends on your budget, tastes, and location. I could help with that. Just give me a major intersection. :)
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Pullus Iulius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:06:53am |
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
I am so sorry to hear of your loss. I wish there was more that I could offer, besides my prayers and sympathies as one who has gone that path recently. A great throng, seen and unseen, are hoping you will be comforted.
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Miss Trixie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:07:55am |
re: #320 BlueCanuck
Not a problem for me. I have a built in furnace with insulation. ;)
You're gonna need it if next winter's predictions are anything to go by ...
*shiver*
*shiver*
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:09:12am |
re: #323 BlueCanuck
Depends on your budget, tastes, and location. I could help with that. Just give me a major intersection. :)
How about near the airport? Moderate cost, and I have wide open tastes, with a slight preference for going after stuff I can't get back home or local specialties.
Thanks.
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Erik The Red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:09:23am |
re: #323 BlueCanuck
Morning Blue/Lizards. I hope everyone has a great Tuesday.
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The Left Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:11:34am |
re: #316 Spare O'Lake
Sorry for your loss.
There never seems to be enough time.
Hang in there - time steals, but it also heals.
Time wastes too fast: every letter I trace tells me with what rapidity life follows my pen. The days and hours of it are flying over our heads like clouds of windy day, never to return — more every thing presses on —
Thomas Jefferson, quoting Tristam Shandy
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
I'm so sorry. I can't improve on Spare O'lake's comment or Rose's or the other lizards. "Time steals, but it will also heal".
best wishes to you and your family.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:12:08am |
re: #326 VioletTiger
Hmmm, near the airport... Most of what you find there is generic restaraunts that have the same type of fare that you get in the states. Give me a few minutes and let me see what I can dredge up.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:12:50am |
Hi all.
Obama and the democrats must think we are all stupid.
"For the first time in American history, he wants to tax your health benefits. Apparently, Senator McCain doesn't think it's enough that your health premiums have doubled. He thinks you should have to pay taxes on them, too."
-- Barack Obama, September, 2008
Now? The democrats big plan includes taxing benefits.
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MNsnowlizard Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:14:47am |
Thank you everyone for your kind words, I greatly appreciate it and it means a lot to me. She was only 62 years old and I think a part of me knew she wasn't going to make it, but G-d, I at least wanted to be there. I have to remember that she isn't so short of breath anymore, anxious or afraid of surgery. She isn't suffering anymore at least, that has fallen on us. Again, thanks for the kind words. I am going to upding and favorite them all. Especially the poem, I am putting it in my purse and at my desk at work when I go back.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:15:59am |
re: #327 Erik The Red
Morning, Erik. I've been thinking about a post you made yesterday about the girls not being able to walk home from school. I'm not sure if it's what you meant or their ages, but that psycho in CA has been preying on my peace of mind. My oldest is 10 and we live in a relatively safe and nice part of town but to have to weigh her independence and ability to ride her bike a couple of blocks to a friends house vs. the miniscule chance that another animal is out there has made me very angry.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:16:31am |
re: #329 BlueCanuck
Hmmm, near the airport... Most of what you find there is generic restaraunts that have the same type of fare that you get in the states. Give me a few minutes and let me see what I can dredge up.
LOL. "Dredge up" is the perfect description for Toronto airport area food./
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:16:56am |
re: #327 Erik The Red
Good morning Erik. Going good so far today. Starting to think of my winter woolies though.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:17:05am |
re: #332 Spenser (with an S)
Morning, Erik. I've been thinking about a post you made yesterday about the girls not being able to walk home from school. I'm not sure if it's what you meant or their ages, but that psycho in CA has been preying on my peace of mind. My oldest is 10 and we live in a relatively safe and nice part of town but to have to weigh her independence and ability to ride her bike a couple of blocks to a friends house vs. the miniscule chance that another animal is out there has made me very angry.
I remember when I was a kid. I used to go off alone, on my bike, on foot, through the woods, etc. all by myself all the time. I have a hard time even thinking of my son doing the same.
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BlackFedora Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:19:04am |
Hitler finds out Americans are calling each other Nazis
This is one of the more timely Downfall (decent movie if you haven't seen it. Good book too.) caption videos I've seen.
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Erik The Red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:19:31am |
re: #332 Spenser (with an S)
Morning, Erik. I've been thinking about a post you made yesterday about the girls not being able to walk home from school. I'm not sure if it's what you meant or their ages, but that psycho in CA has been preying on my peace of mind. My oldest is 10 and we live in a relatively safe and nice part of town but to have to weigh her independence and ability to ride her bike a couple of blocks to a friends house vs. the miniscule chance that another animal is out there has made me very angry.
My reference was purely due to the distance. It is very sad that our children are not as safe as we were when we were young. Having said that I feel 10 times safer here than I did in S. Africa. Safety was one of our top reasons for returning to the US.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:19:59am |
CAUGHT ON TAPE: Obama HCAN Organizer Instructs Supporters How to Shout Down Opponents & Take Over Meetings
Doesn't fit the narrative...
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:20:00am |
re: #329 BlueCanuck
Okay, here's a website that is based on Toronto and area. This first link is for prices under $50 CAD. This list is $50 to $75. This is a decent site for finding stuff like this. Play around with it as well. Unfortunately you don't go to Pearson to look for good food, or diverse tastes. :)
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:20:31am |
Two bumper-stickers for your consideration:
HANG UP AND DRIVE!
WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM?
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lincolntf Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:21:29am |
Morning all.
The oh-so Progressive Dems who run the show here in NC have decided that the best way to help the people of our State deal with the sour economy is to give every one a 1% pay cut (sales tax).
That's how to look out for the little guy, Lefties.
7.75% and climbing
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Erik The Red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:21:35am |
re: #340 MandyManners
Two bumper-stickers for your consideration:
HANG UP AND DRIVE!
WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM?
YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM NOT ME
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MNsnowlizard Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:23:07am |
Side note, when trying to print something that you have highlighted on LGF, for example, Irish Rose's poem, select "print selection" or else your computer will try to print 105 pages of LGF posts. MNsnowlizard, you are a dumbass.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:23:15am |
re: #332 Spenser (with an S)
Morning, Erik. I've been thinking about a post you made yesterday about the girls not being able to walk home from school. I'm not sure if it's what you meant or their ages, but that psycho in CA has been preying on my peace of mind. My oldest is 10 and we live in a relatively safe and nice part of town but to have to weigh her independence and ability to ride her bike a couple of blocks to a friends house vs. the miniscule chance that another animal is out there has made me very angry.
It's really sad. I think we had more freedom as kids. Less weirdos.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:23:19am |
re: #340 MandyManners
Two bumper-stickers for your consideration:HANG UP AND DRIVE!
WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM?
The second one sounds more like what I used to regularly shout while driving. (Don't criticize until you've driven a mile in my shoes, on the DC Beltway.) Of course, now I have to be concerned with the little guy in the back seat repeating me, so I have (with great difficulty and effort) moderated my language and tone.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:23:32am |
re: #335 JamesTKirk
re: #337 Erik The Red
Yes, it is sad. I'm not that old, and I know there were psychos aplenty in the 70's and early 80's so it might have been a false sense of security but it bothers me tremendously. I want them to feel confident in their ability to walk and bike an appropriate distance around our house and I don't want them running screaming from everyone they see on the street but it is a hard line to walk.
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Buck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:23:53am |
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
I am so sorry for your loss. It is a time for you to reach out and accept the help of all your friends and family. In the same way that happiness is multiplied by friends and family, grief is divided.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:24:35am |
re: #340 MandyManners
Two bumper-stickers for your consideration:
HANG UP AND DRIVE!
WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM?
...The problem with those (and almost all other bumper stickers of that type) is that they are visible to the person behind you, but it's usually the person in front of you who needs the message.
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Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:25:33am |
re: #312 VioletTiger
Toronto. Not exactly far north, but is it chily now?
Warm days, cool evenings. A light fall jacket should do you fine. September is typically the nicest weather in Toronto.
A pretty good chain restaurant for breakfast is Cora's. There's one very near the airport.
Near the airport is a Little India neighborhood with plenty of cheap local curry houses, if that's your thing. Or you can drive south to Bloor St, between Islington & Prince Edward streets. That stretch of road has a number of decent restaurants, in a range of prices & cuisines.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:25:41am |
re: #343 MNsnowlizard
Side note, when trying to print something that you have highlighted on LGF, for example, Irish Rose's poem, select "print selection" or else your computer will try to print 105 pages of LGF posts. MNsnowlizard, you are a dumbass.
Or copy-and-paste it into something else to print, especially if it could use some reformatting.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:26:12am |
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:26:32am |
re: #338 FrogMarch
CAUGHT ON TAPE: Obama HCAN Organizer Instructs Supporters How to Shout Down Opponents & Take Over Meetings
Doesn't fit the narrative...
Shocka!
And they told us the libs were saints!
Just knock me over with a feather.
///
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Miss Trixie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:26:44am |
re: #343 MNsnowlizard
Side note, when trying to print something that you have highlighted on LGF, for example, Irish Rose's poem, select "print selection" or else your computer will try to print 105 pages of LGF posts. MNsnowlizard, you are a dumbass.
Don't be so hard on yourself, toots. *hug*
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:27:46am |
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Buck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:27:52am |
re: #330 FrogMarch
Hi all.
Obama and the democrats must think we are all stupid.The democrats big plan includes taxing benefits.
Don't fall for this trick. Until there is an actual bill in front of members to vote, they can keep changing what we are talking about ... it is in, it is out, it was never in... hokey pokey.
The challenge this time is that Obama didn't create a bill and send it to be voted on. So we can't pin anything on him.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:28:01am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:28:02am |
re: #345 JamesTKirk
The second one sounds more like what I used to regularly shout while driving. (Don't criticize until you've driven a mile in my shoes, on the DC Beltway.) Of course, now I have to be concerned with the little guy in the back seat repeating me, so I have (with great difficulty and effort) moderated my language and tone.
The worst I've said was "YOU ASSHOLE" years ago in Denver when some jerk ran me off the road.
Little pitchers have big ears.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:28:43am |
re: #352 MandyManners
I AM YOUR PROBLEM.
I saw a bumper sticker yesterday, which I posted yesterday, but, for those who missed it...
"Guns kill people like a spoon made Rosie McDonald FAT!"
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Desert Dog Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:29:06am |
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Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:29:37am |
VioletTiger,
What part of town is the business you are visiting located? If you like, I can recommend something good in that location. Toronto is my town :)
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:29:43am |
re: #341 lincolntf
Morning all.
The oh-so Progressive Dems who run the show here in NC have decided that the best way to help the people of our State deal with the sour economy is to give every one a 1% pay cut (sales tax).
That's how to look out for the little guy, Lefties.
7.75% and climbing
They did that in Jersey, too.
Sales tax does hurt the 'little guy' more since they spend a larger % of their income.
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Buck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:29:43am |
re: #358 MandyManners
The worst I've said was "YOU ASSHOLE" years ago in Denver when some jerk ran me off the road.
Little pitchers have big ears.
I like to calmly explain to the little passengers what the other driver did that was wrong. Hoping that they will remember this when it is time for them to drive.
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:30:21am |
re: #349 JamesTKirk
...The problem with those (and almost all other bumper stickers of that type) is that they are visible to the person behind you, but it's usually the person in front of you who needs the message.
That's why I reckon I should print them in revserse to put either on your front bumper or on your windshield.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:30:44am |
re: #359 Walter L. Newton
I saw a bumper sticker yesterday, which I posted yesterday, but, for those who missed it...
"Guns kill people like a spoon made Rosie McDonald FAT!"
Er, "McDonald"
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:31:15am |
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Desert Dog Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:31:30am |
re: #365 Walter L. Newton
Er, "McDonald"
She was probably at McDonalds, stuffing in another BigMac, so don't worry about it...
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:31:32am |
re: #358 MandyManners
The worst I've said was "YOU ASSHOLE" years ago in Denver when some jerk ran me off the road.
Little pitchers have big ears.
Was that on the corner of Yale and Colfax? ABout three in the morning, you were wearing fishnet?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:31:56am |
re: #359 Walter L. Newton
I saw a bumper sticker yesterday, which I posted yesterday, but, for those who missed it...
"Guns kill people like a spoon made Rosie McDonald FAT!"
I'M GONNA' SPOON YOU!
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:31:59am |
re: #340 MandyManners
Two bumper-stickers for your consideration:
HANG UP AND DRIVE!
WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM?
I'll take WTFIYFP? for 500 please, Alex.
And if you don't mind, kindly include a hood-mounted laser cannon.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:32:06am |
re: #359 Walter L. Newton
I saw a bumper sticker yesterday, which I posted yesterday, but, for those who missed it...
"Guns kill people like a spoon made Rosie McDonald FAT!"
"Teddy Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns!"
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:32:12am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:32:52am |
re: #364 MandyManners
That's why I reckon I should print them in revserse to put either on your front bumper or on your windshield.
I just want hood-mounted photon torpedoes on my car.
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:33:00am |
re: #343 MNsnowlizard
Side note, when trying to print something that you have highlighted on LGF, for example, Irish Rose's poem, select "print selection" or else your computer will try to print 105 pages of LGF posts. MNsnowlizard, you are a dumbass.
But why wouldn't you want to print 105 pages of us?
Just kidding ;).
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Desert Dog Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:33:22am |
re: #369 Walter L. Newton
Was that on the corner of Yale and Colfax? ABout three in the morning, you were wearing fishnet?
Yale and Colfax run parallel to each other. How about Ogden and Colfax?
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:33:23am |
re: #346 Spenser (with an S)Our memories of childhood can never be relived by our children...
Sad! We had a dinner bell on the front porch...We could hear
it 5-6 blocks away! LOL
I snagged what I thought was just a dumb old watch from dads
drawer so I could venture further from home,and I DID!
When my Grandfather died Pop was looking for it to give
it to me!
Turned out it was grandads pocket watch my Granmother gave when they married in 1901...
Boy did feel like a little shit!
I'm holding in my hand right now!
I keep it in my desk...needs a new main spring because some like brat over wound it!!
Waltham 21 jewel ...
I'll send it in for repair!
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:33:23am |
re: #363 Buck
I like to calmly explain to the little passengers what the other driver did that was wrong. Hoping that they will remember this when it is time for them to drive.
The Kid figured out last year that I was NOT letting another driver know that I thought he was "NO. 1".
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KenJen Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:33:40am |
re: #372 JamesTKirk
"Teddy Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns!"
I like this one: "Keep honking, I'm re-loading."
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lincolntf Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:33:44am |
re: #338 FrogMarch
So busted!!!
Suck on that, Team Wee-Wee.
Since common sense (and the beating by SEIU goons captured on tape) wasn't enough to make the Libs acknowledge that it's their side stirring up the vast bulk of the "craziness" at Town Hall meetings, they now have hard evidence.
Won't change a single mind, of course, but it'll be fun to watch them wriggling around yet another example of their Party's panicky efforts to prevent citizens from questioning their Government.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:33:49am |
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:34:11am |
re: #369 Walter L. Newton
Was that on the corner of Yale and Colfax? ABout three in the morning, you were wearing fishnet?
In bed.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:35:24am |
re: #356 Buck
Don't fall for this trick. Until there is an actual bill in front of members to vote, they can keep changing what we are talking about ... it is in, it is out, it was never in... hokey pokey.
The challenge this time is that Obama didn't create a bill and send it to be voted on. So we can't pin anything on him.
It's in the House Bill they wanted to pass before the September recess.
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Desert Dog Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:35:31am |
re: #380 lincolntf
So busted!!!
Suck on that, Team Wee-Wee.Since common sense (and the beating by SEIU goons captured on tape) wasn't enough to make the Libs acknowledge that it's their side stirring up the vast bulk of the "craziness" at Town Hall meetings, they now have hard evidence.
Won't change a single mind, of course, but it'll be fun to watch them wriggling around yet another example of their Party's panicky efforts to prevent citizens from questioning their Government.
The radical protesters of the past...the eternally whiny and complaining about "the man" crowd have become the establishment and they do not know how to handle it. It is almost painful to watch them twist and contort...almost.
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KenJen Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:35:51am |
re: #368 Desert Dog
She was probably at McDonalds, stuffing in another BigMac, so don't worry about it...
I think she prefers the Filet-O-Fish not the Big Mac.
| 386 |
MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:35:57am |
re: #371 Spare O'Lake
I'll take WTFIYFP? for 500 please, Alex.
And if you don't mind, kindly include a hood-mounted laser cannon.
| 387 |
Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:36:30am |
re: #349 JamesTKirk
I have two bumber stickers: one that says "My Son is a U.S. Marine", and a second one that reads "SQZBX PLYR".
I'm pretty sure the cars behind me honk because my son is a Marine.
| 388 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:36:33am |
re: #386 MandyManners
I learned to drive watching the original Death Race 2000.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:36:49am |
re: #376 Desert Dog
Yale and Colfax run parallel to each other. How about Ogden and Colfax?
What the hell was I thinking?
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:37:13am |
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:38:12am |
re: #387 Irish Rose
and a second one that reads "SQZBX PLYR".
OK, if I had been driving behind you I might have just hit you trying to decipher that one.
| 392 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:38:59am |
re: #391 Spenser (with an S)
| 393 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:39:38am |
re: #391 Spenser (with an S)
SQEEZE BOX PLAYER Spenser!!
Mr Irish gets no sleep...
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:40:49am |
re: #393 reloadingisnotahobby
Well, I get it now! I was just saying I might have had to think too hard to also drive well.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:41:21am |
re: #395 Spenser (with an S)
Well, I get it now! I was just saying I might have had to think too hard to also drive well.
Don't vanity license plates give you a lot of practice deciphering things like that?
| 397 |
Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:41:23am |
re: #393 reloadingisnotahobby
SQEEZE BOX PLAYER Spenser!!
Mr Irish gets no sleep...
There is no Mr. Irish, yet.
There will be next year though.
| 398 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:41:35am |
re: #391 Spenser (with an S)
OK, if I had been driving behind you I might have just hit you trying to decipher that one.
"If you can read this you're too close, asshole."
| 399 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:41:49am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:42:41am |
re: #399 Spenser (with an S)
I think you mean her Sweetie.
No, he was making reference to the Who song (see #392).
| 402 |
realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:42:44am |
Good morning y'all - from a coolish (63 degrees going up to 78 degrees) mostly sunny Charlotte. I'm wiped out today (up too late last night or early this morning and, well...I'm OLD).
re: #296 MNsnowlizard
- I was so, so sorry to read about your travails - and wish there was something I could do or say to make you feel better or to ease your burdens, but I can't think of a thing, other than to extend to you and your entire family, my most sincere and deepest sympathies and condolences.
| 403 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:42:49am |
re: #398 Spare O'Lake
"If you can read this you're too close, asshole."
FTFY. For the proper effect.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:42:57am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:43:15am |
re: #397 Irish Rose
You've got him picked out? Good for you!!!Congrats..
I assume he's aware?
* wack*
I took care of it for ya...
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:43:22am |
re: #387 Irish Rose
I have two bumber stickers: one that says "My Son is a U.S. Marine", and a second one that reads "SQZBX PLYR".
I'm pretty sure the cars behind me honk because my son is a Marine.
| 407 |
Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:43:25am |
re: #395 Spenser (with an S)
Well, I get it now! I was just saying I might have had to think too hard to also drive well.
I used to have another one that said "Got kilt?"
Lost it when I got rid of my last car, and haven't been able to find one to replace it.
| 408 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:43:57am |
re: #401 JamesTKirk
I think you mean her Sweetie.No, he was making reference to the Who song (see #392).
Yes, I was letting him know that there is currently no Mr. Irish. That is a great song.
| 409 |
VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:44:00am |
re: #361 Kenneth
VioletTiger,
What part of town is the business you are visiting located? If you like, I can recommend something good in that location. Toronto is my town :)
You know, I'm not sure since I won't be driving and the meeting is tomorrow morning.
We'd drive to any place reasonably close this evening, however.
| 410 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:44:17am |
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Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:44:23am |
When it's for a position, policy or cause he doesn't support, Obama is firm about not letting any branch of the gov't get involved with religious groups. Case in point, he blocked the Pentagon from authorizing a flyover at a recent "God & Country Rally". At the same time, he will give a Ramadan speech or use a conference call with liberal churches to promote his health care plan.
I guess he has his priorities.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:45:05am |
re: #407 Irish Rose
I used to have another one that said "Got kilt?"
Lost it when I got rid of my last car, and haven't been able to find one to replace it.
I stopped wearing a kilt. Too many people were expending too much effort to find out what was underneath it.
And they weren't all lasses.
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:45:12am |
re: #380 lincolntf
So busted!!!
Suck on that, Team Wee-Wee.Since common sense (and the beating by SEIU goons captured on tape) wasn't enough to make the Libs acknowledge that it's their side stirring up the vast bulk of the "craziness" at Town Hall meetings, they now have hard evidence.
Won't change a single mind, of course, but it'll be fun to watch them wriggling around yet another example of their Party's panicky efforts to prevent citizens from questioning their Government.
Yet there is a school of thought that asserts that the real dangerous mob are the people that go to the Town Halls to protest, because they shout!
Never mind that the President of the U.S siced Union Goons on innocent Americans, yeah innocent.
In Tampa the SEIU thugs roughed up a Stage Four cancer patient.
He & his wife were on Dennis Miller.
| 414 |
realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:46:13am |
re: #411 Kenneth Good morning Kenneth. I hope you and yours are doing well today.
| 416 |
Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:47:00am |
re: #405 reloadingisnotahobby
You've got him picked out? Good for you!!!Congrats..
I assume he's aware?
* wack*
I took care of it for ya...
He's aware, and he thinks it's a turn-on.
True love ;).
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MandyManners Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:47:21am |
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Miss Trixie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:48:11am |
{ { {realwest} } }
Good morning, darls! *smoochie-smoooch*100
It's so good to see you - I've been too busy lately to post much and I've a small window today. All's well? Although I've not been here much, do know that you're always in my thoughts. *hug*
| 419 |
lincolntf Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:49:44am |
re: #413 opnion
Yeah, it's kinda pathetic to watch.
Fortunately, the effort at misdirection by the Dems and the MSM ("The problem isn't the bill, it's the protesters!!!") has pretty much failed. Wee-Wee's numbers are in the crapper, so this is exactly when he and his groupies are most likely to overreach. Should be an interesting few weeks when they get back in session and start trying to salvage something from this mess.
I hadn't seen the Dennis Miller story, I'll Google it.
| 421 |
realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:50:48am |
re: #413 opnion
Good morning my friend. If you want to read what I think of the protests and the Democrats' charges of astroturfing, y'all might want to read my #106 and #
171 on the prior thread.
Or you could just drink your coffee and not bother - neither of those comments were profound in anyway, but they do express what I think is the truth about those matters.
| 422 |
Miss Trixie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:51:18am |
JamesTKirk
I stopped wearing a kilt. Too many people were expending too much effort to find out what was underneath it.
After the Scots shamelessly released that slimeball back to Libya, they now wear white flags under their kilts.
| 423 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:51:34am |
re: #358 MandyManners
The worst I've said was "YOU ASSHOLE" years ago in Denver when some jerk ran me off the road.
Little pitchers have big ears.
I once lived near 8th ave and Pearl. 8th Avenue and 6th Ave are both 3-lane one-way streets (in that area). Whenever I'd pull out to turn onto 8th avenue - I'd always look both ways because it was never a big surprise to see some idiot driving the wrong way down 8th Avenue.
I was almost clobbered on Broadway near Alameda when a car came barreling down the wrong way. Broadway is four lanes wide and this idiot came shooting right towards a full line of cars.
| 424 |
VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:51:38am |
Wow, that wildfire is getting worse.
Just awful.
Wonder how they can ever put it out.
| 425 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:52:04am |
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WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:52:11am |
In an earlier thread I read someone's statement that Obama wants to destroy this country. I think saying that Obama wants to destroy this country is inaccurate. I believe that he wants to remake this country into something he feels is more equal for all (economically and civilly). He wants to institute equality because he does not believe that the system, left to its own devices, will ever truly be equal. He is not satisfied with the idea that all "men are created equal" but that what they do with their equality is up to them. Rather, he believes that all men must be guaranteed equality in every aspect of their lives because life is a lottery and the people who are successful, the winners as it were, are selfish and unfair.
It is the natural extension of his vision that truly concerns me. If you attempt legislate equality into the minutiae of daily living you necessarily must go down the road of complete government control.
| 427 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:53:20am |
re: #422 Miss Trixie
JamesTKirk
After the Scots shamelessly released that slimeball back to Libya, they now wear white flags under their kilts.
They wouldn't be white for long...
| 428 |
realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:53:27am |
re: #418{{ Miss Trixie}}
Hi there gorgeous! And *smoochies* 101 times over back atcha.
Yes I've missed seeing you out here lately, but I do understand how busy and all you've been!
How are ya today? How's Lil Miss?
| 430 |
Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:53:51am |
re: #409 VioletTiger
The Bloor Street area I recommended is a good bet. Some of the better spots:
Longest Yard (upscale sports/business bar)
ViBo (Italian, pricey)
Big Papa's Marketta (Italian, reasonable price)
Casa Barcelona (Spanish tapas, excellent but pricey)
Green Mango (cheap and friendly Thai)
Merlot (French bistro, reasonable price)
| 431 |
scottishbuzzsaw Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:53:55am |
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:54:49am |
re: #419 lincolntf
Yeah, it's kinda pathetic to watch.
Fortunately, the effort at misdirection by the Dems and the MSM ("The problem isn't the bill, it's the protesters!!!") has pretty much failed. Wee-Wee's numbers are in the crapper, so this is exactly when he and his groupies are most likely to overreach. Should be an interesting few weeks when they get back in session and start trying to salvage something from this mess.I hadn't seen the Dennis Miller story, I'll Google it.
People look at the Town Halls & see grandma, Great old veterans & hockey moms. Then they see the thuggery sent by the White House & can think for themselves.
The Dennis Miller radio program was Friday, August 7.
| 433 |
Digital Display Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:55:01am |
Good Morning Lizards!
Hope everyone is well today..
{Miss Trixie } Check out Winston and his Buddy from the Avatar
| 436 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:55:51am |
re: #426 WinterCat
I agree. Obama does not think this country is or has been great, but with his election and his policies, might someday become great.
/gag
| 437 |
realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:55:53am |
re: #424 VioletTiger
Good morning VioletTiger - yes, from what we on the East Coast can see on TV those fires are terrible. Do you know if the Mt. Wilson Observatory was wiped out?
| 438 |
Erik The Red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:56:21am |
re: #433 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
Hope everyone is well today..
{Miss Trixie } Check out Winston and his Buddy from the Avatar
Hey 2H. Back at you.
| 439 |
Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:57:08am |
re: #414 realwest
Good morning to you sir! We're doing great. My BiL is getting married this weekend, to a wonderful woman I must say. Should be a good party.
| 440 |
VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:57:10am |
re: #429 UFO TOFU
Which one?
I forget what they called it. The station fire? Getting very close to some homes.
| 441 |
Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:57:15am |
re: #430 Kenneth
ViBo (Italian, pricey)
Big Papa's Marketta (Italian, reasonable price)
Casa Barcelona (Spanish tapas, excellent but pricey)
Green Mango (cheap and friendly Thai)
Merlot (French bistro, reasonable price)
Unless you're sending some of that my way, STOP. I'm getting hungry and it isn't quite 10am here.
| 442 |
Digital Display Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:57:16am |
re: #438 Erik The Red
Hey 2H. Back at you.
Good Morning..Those were awesome pics of the shuttle launch you sent me..
| 443 |
KenJen Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:57:39am |
re: #433 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
Hope everyone is well today..
{Miss Trixie } Check out Winston and his Buddy from the Avatar
Too cute!
| 444 |
turn Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:57:40am |
re: #437 realwest
Good morning VioletTiger - yes, from what we on the East Coast can see on TV those fires are terrible. Do you know if the Mt. Wilson Observatory was wiped out?
I don't think so real. not much to burn up that high. btw good morning. This is a drive by post, maybe catch you around noon.
| 445 |
VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:57:47am |
re: #437 realwest
Good morning VioletTiger - yes, from what we on the East Coast can see on TV those fires are terrible. Do you know if the Mt. Wilson Observatory was wiped out?
This morning they said it was okay but still in danger.
| 447 |
WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:58:23am |
re: #436 Spenser (with an S)
That is because he is viewing life through a negative prism. His world view was shaped by people who see what is wrong with the world rather than what is right with it. His parents were socialists as were is mentors. His pastor of 20 years ... well there is no need to even get into that man's hateful screeds. Been there done that.
| 448 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:59:02am |
re: #436 Spenser (with an S)
I agree. Obama does not think this country is or has been great, but with his election and his policies, might someday become great.
/gag
That's essentially been the core of his standard-issue foreign policy "apology" speech, after all. "America has generally sucked; but now, I'M here, so it's okay."
Good morning.
| 449 |
Miss Trixie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:59:22am |
re: #428 realwest
Hi there gorgeous! And *smoochies* 101 times over back atcha.
Yes I've missed seeing you out here lately, but I do understand how busy and all you've been!
How are ya today? How's Lil Miss?
She's just fine, luv. Now that the cooler weather is here, I can take her out longer to terrorize the 'hood and since we've had a coolish summer, her allergies didn't bother her near as much. Thank G*D! She's had some scritchies, hot spots and a couple of bald patches and the steroids I give her - sparingly - have side effects that cause her to demand more food and she drinks water like it's going out of style. As a result, she's put on a little extra weight and positively has a slight waddle that's silly and suits her elderly frame of 56 years. Soon, the allergy season will pass and her appetite should return to normal.
*crosses fingers*
:D
| 450 |
Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:59:24am |
re: #441 Spenser (with an S)
Sorry dude. Toronto is a great town for restaurants.
| 451 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:59:32am |
| 452 |
realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:59:39am |
re: #439 Kenneth
Well my friend, that IS great news! I'm happy for your BIL and I'm sure y'all will party hearty!
Enjoy!
| 454 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:00:36am |
re: #448 Occasional Reader
That's essentially been the core of his standard-issue foreign policy "apology" speech, after all. "America has generally sucked; but now, I'M here, so it's okay."
Good morning.
Really? I just thought he was a foreign policy mindless trollop?
| 455 |
Erik The Red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:00:37am |
re: #442 HoosierHoops
Good Morning..Those were awesome pics of the shuttle launch you sent me..
Was a great night. I may go and see the landing, depending on time and kids school.
| 456 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:00:51am |
re: #411 Kenneth
At the same time, he will give a Ramadan speech
Hey, he's merely complying with his Constitutionally-mandated duty as POTUS to "fight negative stereotypes of Islam, wherever they may appear." He has no choice; it's a requirement of the job.
///
| 457 |
WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:01:07am |
I remember when Regan took office. America went from a country that was truly ashamed of itself to a country proud of its accomplishments. Nobody is perfect but the negative people seek out a sore and make it into a wound and soon that wound becomes diseased. That is how they operate -- it is what they feed on. Focusing on the negative.
| 458 |
yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:01:27am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Hope all is well in Lizardia!
We were going out, a short while ago - but there were a couple of thunderclaps, and Madame decided it was wiser to hide under the table ...
Now the sun shines ... too late, too late ...!
| 459 |
The Left Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:01:36am |
re: #451 JamesTKirk
The story or the song?
What, I have to choose?
Both, really. And the cartoon wasn't bad either. ;)
| 460 |
realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:01:38am |
| 461 |
Lee Coller Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:01:55am |
re: #48 I Need A Bigger Gun
Pat Buchanan's at it again...
[Link: townhall.com...]
Oh geez, if the Poles had negotiated with Germany for a land swap, WWII wouldn't have occurred? He's insane.
| 462 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:02:22am |
re: #450 Kenneth
You got that right. Not far from my home I can throw a stone and hit either a sushi, indian, italian, or greek restaruant.
/then again I have a real good arm for that. :)
| 463 |
Cato Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:03:11am |
re: #41 Sharmuta
These people said they were. I can't find last night's show, but I did find this:
It is somewhat less persuasive because you don't hear the words directly from Van Jones' mouth, but start watching at about 2:25 and tell me what you think.
| 464 |
UFO TOFU Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:03:13am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:03:32am |
re: #458 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Hope all is well in Lizardia!
We were going out, a short while ago - but there were a couple of thunderclaps, and Madame decided it was wiser to hide under the table ...
Now the sun shines ... too late, too late ...!
Good morning, {yma}...*scritch* Madame *scritch*
| 466 |
opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:03:51am |
re: #421 realwest
Good morning my friend. If you want to read what I think of the protests and the Democrats' charges of astroturfing, y'all might want to read my #106 and #
171 on the prior thread.
Or you could just drink your coffee and not bother - neither of those comments were profound in anyway, but they do express what I think is the truth about those matters.
Good morning Real. I hope that you & your mom are well tioday.
I did go back & read your posts & you are spot on & good for you for speaking out.
The one guy tried to make it look like the protestors are astro turf, manufactured by nefarious special interests. Let me see grannies with hand made signs, & then SEIU & ACORN thugs bused in with professional signs. Yeah the grannies are the organized danger.
Salutes, Soldier.
| 467 |
Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:03:55am |
re: #456 Occasional Reader
Of course. Whereas a God and Country rally salute to the troops, well, it's only right that he, for the first time in 42 years, should deny them a flyover with a few USAF jets.
| 468 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:03:55am |
re: #462 BlueCanuck
You got that right. Not far from my home I can throw a stone and hit either a sushi, indian, italian, or greek restaruant.
/then again I have a real good arm for that. :)
HATE CRIME!
| 469 |
realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:05:40am |
re: #448 Occasional Reader
Good morning O.R. - how are you doing today?
And what you said fits in with the meme I've been pressing (and of course believe) since he was nominated: he doesn't respect America very much, nor, for that matter do I think he cares very much either, except as it affects his own ego.
| 470 |
yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:05:55am |
You might enjoy yet another example of how Gord and NuLab 'do' politics (its not just numbers, you know!):
Lockerbie bomber letters publication 'will not be exhaustive'
From that link:
'Correspondence between the Scottish and British governments relating to the release of the Lockerbie bomber will not be complete, Downing Street admitted today.
Gordon Brown's spokesman said the letters to be released would date back to the summer of 2007 but would "not be absolutely exhaustive".
It will include all the correspondence between UK Government ministers and the Scottish Executive which is relevant to the issues at hand, said the spokesman.
Discussions took place with the Scottish Executive over the weekend to decide which documents should be made public.'
Yesterday we were told, all correspondence would be made public.
Not in Gord-Land, it won't, nor ever will.
Bring on the General Election!
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:06:23am |
re: #464 UFO TOFU
Hey !!
Been checking out the fire ...Oak Glenn and Hemet...
Hope they get the upperhand real soon!
Used to go to Oak Glenn all the time on my ElectraGlide...
Had a great breakfast on Sunday mornings...
You doin OK?
| 472 |
Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:06:27am |
For those who doubt that the kilt is the sexiest garment in exist:
Don't fall over, ladies.
| 474 |
Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:07:53am |
re: #462 BlueCanuck
You really should stop throwing stones at those local businesses!
What part of Toronto are you in anyway?
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The Left Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:08:12am |
re: #472 Irish Rose
For those who doubt that the kilt is the sexiest garment in exist:
[Link: i612.photobucket.com...]
Don't fall over, ladies.
I don't take direction well. :(
| 476 |
realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:08:14am |
re: #458 yma o hyd
Good morning {yma} - and while I hope you're doing well today, y'all really ought to give her a second chance now, you know?!?
| 477 |
KenJen Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:08:15am |
re: #472 Irish Rose
For those who doubt that the kilt is the sexiest garment in exist:
[Link: i612.photobucket.com...]
Don't fall over, ladies.
Your fiance?
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UFO TOFU Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:09:25am |
re: #471 reloadingisnotahobby
I'm good, thanks. The air quality is crap, but so far no mandatory evacuation where I'm at.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:09:33am |
In Memoriam 1st September 1939:
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:09:53am |
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:10:16am |
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Miss Trixie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:10:28am |
re: #433 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
Hope everyone is well today..
{Miss Trixie } Check out Winston and his Buddy from the Avatar
HAHAHA! That's so CUTE! Winston's the red one? He's gorgeous. :)
{Hoosier}
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:11:11am |
re: #422 Miss Trixie
JamesTKirk
After the Scots shamelessly released that slimeball back to Libya, they now wear white flags under their kilts.
To cover where they lost their balls.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:12:17am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that Pakistan is busy expanding its nuclear arsenal. They're building new nuclear facilities, new generations of missiles and cruise missiles, and now appear to have a much larger arsenal than previously believed.
Throw in the fact that Pakistan's nuclear infrastructure has come under repeated attack from Taliban/al Qaeda, and you've got a real serious situation that Pakistan seems quite comfortable with - a nuclear arsenal that threatens India and the rest of the world with the terrorists only a successful attack away from getting their hands on some of the most dangerous weapons known.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:12:28am |
re: #476 realwest
Good morning {yma} - and while I hope you're doing well today, y'all really ought to give her a second chance now, you know?!?
Hiya, {rw}!
It would make her quite unhappy if I were to drag her out, against her will, just because the sun is out - with some raindrops sprinkled about, for good measure.
At least, at her age (over 84, in human years), she doesn't crave that much activity any longer. So - I won't force her.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:12:46am |
re: #472 Irish Rose
Let it be known that Rose brought out the first pic for the girls. Now, OR or Wyatt need to bring some pics for the guys.
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:13:03am |
re: #472 Irish Rose
Good morning Irish Rose! Hah - y'all should see me in my kilt - well, maybe then again ye shouldn't - you'll upchuck your delicious Hagis if ya do now!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:13:06am |
ugh !!!
re: #472 Irish Rose
For those who doubt that the kilt is the sexiest garment in exist:
[Link: i612.photobucket.com...]
Don't fall over, ladies.
And one for the menfolk. It's actually an optical illusion. If you concentrate you'll be able to see an ice cream sundae!
[Link: boortz.com...]
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:13:23am |
Oh Noes- Bill Whittle is kicking ass again.
Seriously.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:13:24am |
re: #426 WinterCat
In an earlier thread I read someone's statement that Obama wants to destroy this country. I think saying that Obama wants to destroy this country is inaccurate. I believe that he wants to remake this country into something he feels is more equal for all (economically and civilly). He wants to institute equality because he does not believe that the system, left to its own devices, will ever truly be equal. He is not satisfied with the idea that all "men are created equal" but that what they do with their equality is up to them. Rather, he believes that all men must be guaranteed equality in every aspect of their lives because life is a lottery and the people who are successful, the winners as it were, are selfish and unfair.
It is the natural extension of his vision that truly concerns me. If you attempt legislate equality into the minutiae of daily living you necessarily must go down the road of complete government control.
Taking that to the extreme, you get Harrison Bergeron
But it is individualism that made the country great; equal opportunity, not enforced equal results.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:14:23am |
re: #474 Kenneth
Bath and Lawrence area. Great and quiet location for a goy like me.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:14:30am |
re: #465 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning, {yma}...*scritch* Madame *scritch*
Hiya, {scottie}!
Long time no see - how are you, and how are all of yours?
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:14:56am |
re: #482 Miss Trixie
HAHAHA! That's so CUTE! Winston's the red one? He's gorgeous. :)
{Hoosier}
Yes he is the red long hair..
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:16:05am |
re: #489 Spenser (with an S)
Let it be known that Rose brought out the first pic for the girls. Now, OR or Wyatt need to bring some pics for the guys.
Irish Rose says:
We need more beefcake around here, not less.
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:16:47am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:17:04am |
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KenJen Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:17:19am |
re: #491 sattv4u2
ugh !!!
And one for the menfolk. It's actually an optical illusion. If you concentrate you'll be able to see an ice cream sundae!
[Link: boortz.com...]
Those are fake ice cream scoops.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:17:38am |
re: #463 Cato
As I mentioned the other day, when someone linked to a Beck piece about how the FCC "diversity" chief praised Hugo Chavez as a model for "media reform"; what I most hate about Glenn Beck is when he's right.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:17:58am |
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:18:41am |
re: #500 realwest
Doing good realwest. We may not be as large as NYC, but we do have a large cultural diversity and the restaraunts to match them.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:18:46am |
re: #461 Lee Coller
Oh geez, if the Poles had negotiated with Germany for a land swap, WWII wouldn't have occurred? He's insane.
He's partly right.
If Poland had negotiated to swap its land for 2nd-class citizen status in Germany, and so had France, Belgium, England, Czechoslovakia, etc. then maybe he would have stuck with a pact with the Soviet Union instead of attacking it.
///
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:19:03am |
re: #488 WinterCat
Good morning WinterCat - where did ya find such a fabulous photo?! It's just GREAT!
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:19:10am |
The markets are up this morning with the DJIA +55; the S&P +6 and Nasdaq +22; as part of the new market paradigm, today from Zogby: President Barack Obama's job approval rating is down to 42%, with a decline in approval from Democrats the leading factor.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:19:14am |
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:19:43am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:19:44am |
re: #496 yma o hyd
Hiya, {scottie}!
Long time no see - how are you, and how are all of yours?
Doing well, hon...getting ready to move as soon as my Beloved Ubergeek decides on which new project he wants to work.
How have you been? Are you feeling better?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:20:40am |
re: #479 yma o hyd
In Memoriam 1st September 1939:
Damn those British for forcing poor Hitler to go to war!
/Pat Buchanan
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Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:21:15am |
re: #495 BlueCanuck
I'll say it's quiet. I'm near High Park. Not quite as quiet, but nice enough.
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:21:20am |
re: #509 Occasional Reader
Excellent! I'm doing ok, thanks! Glad to hear that song - just hope the string doesn't break! Or the rainbow...well, you know!
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Danny Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:21:38am |
re: #492 FrogMarch
Oh Noes- Bill Whittle is kicking ass again.
Seriously.
This is LGF thread-worthy IMO.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:22:13am |
Sorry to interrupt the boob-trhead, but here's a rather good comment, in today's TIMES/London, by Dave Cameron, our next Prime Minister:
A catalogue of errors that shames the UK
From that link:
'Due process found al-Megrahi guilty, a verdict upheld on appeal. The Libyan Government accepted responsibility for the bombing and paid compensation to the Lockerbie families. Any doubts about the safety of al-Megrahi’s conviction should have been tested by the second appeal, which he instead withdrew. That is why I said that compassionate release was completely inappropriate. We are dealing here with someone convicted of one of the biggest mass murders in British history. Al-Megrahi’s victims were not allowed the luxury of “dying at home”. What on earth was Mr MacAskill thinking of when he made this utterly bizarre decision?'
And then he lays into Gord, in no uncertain fashion:
'Mr Brown should have condemned the decision to release al-Megrahi. At the very least, he should have expressed an opinion. But all we got, day after day, was a wall of silence, finally broken after a long week when Mr Brown declared that he was “angry” and “repulsed” at scenes in Tripoli. We all were.
But that wasn’t the point. People wanted to know what the Prime Minister thought about the decision to release him in the first place. Such candour is a basic requirement of leadership — a quality that once again Mr Brown has demonstrated he lacks.'
RTWT!
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:23:02am |
re: #515 Kenneth
Yeah that's a beautiful neighborhood. I like the park and the surronding area. Used to eat at McKenzies on Bloor there on a regular basis. The dog play area is fantastic in the summer.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:23:04am |
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WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:23:08am |
re: #488 WinterCat
It is incredible to me that these people occupy any office of responsibility whatsoever. Their constituents need to kick their sorry *sses out of office RIGHT NOW.
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KenJen Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:23:40am |
re: #510 BlueCanuck
There was ice cream scoops in that picture?
Rorschach test. What do you see here? (.)(.)
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:23:47am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:24:48am |
re: #522 WinterCat
It is incredible to me that these people occupy any office of responsibility whatsoever. Their constituents need to kick their sorry *sses out of office RIGHT NOW.
I saw that even made it on Drudge,,, shameful. Did they print the names of thre two solitare players?
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:25:07am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:25:39am |
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:25:45am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:26:10am |
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:26:22am |
re: #511 scottishbuzzsaw
Doing well, hon...getting ready to move as soon as my Beloved Ubergeek decides on which new project he wants to work.
How have you been? Are you feeling better?
I will be told how I feel next week - by the two different doctors I'll be seeing, privately!
Meanwhile, I'm hanging in there, and am very much looking forward to have the holiday visitor (four-legged) for another weeek, from Sunday!
Madame will be exstatic - they meet up in the park now, regularly, because Baz pines if he doesn't get to meet her ...
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:27:01am |
I'm doing my best to make it a kilt thread.
I believe that we're now running two to one, ladies.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:27:19am |
I guess Obama's Iran plan is working - look at this concession they're willing to make:
Iran's nuclear negotiator: We are ready to resume talks
I guess they need a little longer to complete enough bombs to attack Israel, so they're stalling for more time.
And in case you think the UN has gotten any better, Ahmadinejad will be addressing the UN again this session. They're giving his rule legitimacy.
Maybe we'll see Iranian-Americans joining Jews protesting his appearance.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:27:37am |
re: #531 Irish Rose
I'm doing my best to make it a kilt thread.
I believe that we're now running two to one, ladies.
I'll vote. Three to one!
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:27:42am |
re: #524 JamesTKirk
It hasn't even really started yet. Yet.
You missed the tag you're famous for ...!
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:28:22am |
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:28:41am |
re: #531 Irish Rose
I'm doing my best to make it a kilt thread.
I believe that we're now running two to one, ladies.
You just about done kilt the other thread
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:28:51am |
re: #534 yma o hyd
You missed the tag you're famous for ...!
I don't want to tag myself in bed too often. My mother told me I'd go blind.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:29:21am |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:30:41am |
re: #537 JamesTKirk
I don't want to tag myself in bed too often. My mother told me I'd go blind.
Is that part of the UN program (from the spinoffs)?
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quickjustice Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:31:00am |
After the Scottish government's freeing of the convicted Lockerbie murderer, and despite my Scots-Irish roots, I can only say, "BOYCOTT SCOTLAND!"
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:31:04am |
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:31:48am |
Is that a Claymore under your kilt, or are you happy to see me?
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Erik The Red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:31:52am |
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:32:32am |
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:32:37am |
re: #531 Irish Rose
I'm doing my best to make it a kilt thread.
I believe that we're now running two to one, ladies.
Good work, Irish Rose!
Go to 5.40 on this video:
:-)))
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Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:33:01am |
re: #521 Occasional Reader
I don't get that reference. 'Splain please...
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:33:28am |
re: #540 quickjustice
After the Scottish government's freeing of the convicted Lockerbie murderer, and despite my Scots-Irish roots, I can only say, "BOYCOTT SCOTLAND!"
It'll be tough for me to give up haggis, but I'll do it.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:33:53am |
re: #537 JamesTKirk
I don't want to tag myself in bed too often. My mother told me I'd go blind.
She was right, you know!
(Not that I speak from personal experience, but Moms are always right!)
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:33:57am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:34:25am |
A kilted Scotsman was walking down a country path after finishing off a large amount of whisky at a local pub. He felt quite sleepy and decided to nap against a tree.
As he slept, two female tourists heard his loud snoring. When they found him, one said, "I've always wondered what a Scotsman wears under his kilt."
She boldly walked over to the sleeper, raised his kilt, and saw that he wore nothing at all. Her friend said, "Well, the mystery is solved! Let's thank him for sharing!"
She took off her pretty blue hair ribbon and gently tied it around the Scotsman's endowment. A while later, the Scotsman was awakened by the call of nature. He raised his kilt and was bewildered at the sight of the neatly tied blue ribbon. He stared for a minute, then said, "I don't know where y'been laddie... but it's nice ta see you won firrrst prrrize!"
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:35:13am |
re: #519 yma o hyd
Excellent. He's getting ready for the move into no. 10.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:36:30am |
re: #540 quickjustice
After the Scottish government's freeing of the convicted Lockerbie murderer, and despite my Scots-Irish roots, I can only say, "BOYCOTT SCOTLAND!"
Save your anger for Tony Blair, who started it in 2007, and for Jack straw, the 'Justice' minister who told the Scots they ought to consider this - and for Gord, who has been lying about his involvement and is still lying.
Save your anger for NuLab and all they've done!
The Scots are as disgusted as you are.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:38:30am |
I guess for a good roller coaster ride, you have to have hills going up and down... except at the end, it all goes down.
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 30% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11"
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
(Avanti returns in 3,2,1...)
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Flyers1974 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:39:04am |
re: #457 WinterCat
I remember when Regan took office. America went from a country that was truly ashamed of itself to a country proud of its accomplishments. Nobody is perfect but the negative people seek out a sore and make it into a wound and soon that wound becomes diseased. That is how they operate -- it is what they feed on. Focusing on the negative.
That's a little too simplistic of an explanation, I think. In 1980, we had been through a decade of bad economic times, were five years removed from the official end of the most contoversial war in our history and its consequences, and were still dealing with racial matters, not to mention Watergate, the hostages in Iran and a shitty president. Reagan was an excellent cheerleader - and I don't mean that in a sarcastic manner, its an important thing at times and 1980 was one of those times. I might add however, that "morning in America" which I think would symbolize the change you cited upon his election, is not much different than Hope/Change. And I don't know if most Americans were truly ashamed of the US. I think they were rather preoccupied with their personal economic situation and apprehensive about the future due to all I mentioned above. Kind of like conservatives today I think.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:39:18am |
re: #540 quickjustice
I'm not sure of the degree to which the Scottish authorities were involved. It sounds from various newspaper articles as though this shameful action was directed from Westminster. So, don't boycott Scotland just yet.
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jcm Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:39:42am |
Mornin' Honcos!
I am so enjoying watching the (D)s circle the wagons 'round Charles "I don't need to report no stinkin' income" Rangel, Chairman of the Ways and Means committee. I sincerely hope people remember this is what passes for Speaker Pelosi her standard of integrity: "The American people voted to restore integrity and honesty in Washington, D.C., and the Democrats intend to lead the most honest, most open and most ethical Congress in history,"
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:40:04am |
re: #551 John Neverbend
Excellent. He's getting ready for the move into no. 10.
He is - he's been working extremely hard to make the Tory Party electable again, after the years in the wilderness.
He, and his shadow cabinet, are trying not to give any ammunition to the NuLAb spin doctors, who are already trying to fight the election and pounce on anything they think they can use to denigrate the Tories with.
Its not working any longer - the whole country has had enough of Gord, of NuLab and all they stand for.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:40:19am |
re: #554 Walter L. Newton
I guess for a good roller coaster ride, you have to have hills going up and down... except at the end, it all goes down.
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 30% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11"
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
(Avanti returns in 3,2,1...)
Is this a trend yet?
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jcm Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:42:26am |
re: #559 Walter L. Newton
Is this a trend yet?
No just a momentary blip, cased by all the astroturfed health care town halls!
///
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:42:27am |
re: #556 John Neverbend
I might have to start calling single malt whiskey "freedom juice."
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jill e Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:42:45am |
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:43:32am |
Ah, back to the fray!
re: #530 yma o hyd
What do you mean by the "by the two different doctors I'll be seeing, privately!"
Privately?!? You mean...GASP! ...you're going outside the National Health Care system y'all have over there?
Why would you want to do that?!
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scottishbuzzsaw Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:43:40am |
Three Scotswomen are walking home at night (they are neighbors) and find a Scotsman passed out partially under a wagon. His upper body is under the wagon and they can't see who he is; however, they would like to help him get home.
The first woman looks under his kilt and says, "It's not my husband".
The second woman looks under his kilt and says, It's not my husband".
The third woman looks under his kilt and says, "Why he's not even from our village!"
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:44:07am |
re: #555 Flyers1974
I might add however, that "morning in America" which I think would symbolize the change you cited upon his election, is not much different than Hope/Change.
I would respectfully submit that the main difference is not the slogans, but the speeches each gave to back them up. Reagan loved America and was America. I think Bill Clinton and other Dems love America. I have not heard a word that makes me think that Obama loves, cherishes or even really understands America. He tolerates her and can't wait to finally make Her great.
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SurferDoc Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:44:15am |
re: #559 Walter L. Newton
Is this a trend yet?
Nooo, it is just a moment in time, besides, the strongly approves... yadda, yadda, yadda
/Bullshit
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:44:32am |
re: #558 yma o hyd
My father always describes Mr. Brown as "bovine". When I was last in Blighty earlier this year, I had the good fortune to watch Prime Minister's question time where Mr. Cameron gave Gord a good hiding.
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WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:45:21am |
re: #555 Flyers1974
That's a little too simplistic of an explanation, I think. In 1980, we had been through a decade of bad economic times, were five years removed from the official end of the most contoversial war in our history and its consequences, and were still dealing with racial matters, not to mention Watergate, the hostages in Iran and a shitty president. Reagan was an excellent cheerleader - and I don't mean that in a sarcastic manner, its an important thing at times and 1980 was one of those times. I might add however, that "morning in America" which I think would symbolize the change you cited upon his election, is not much different than Hope/Change. And I don't know if most Americans were truly ashamed of the US. I think they were rather preoccupied with their personal economic situation and apprehensive about the future due to all I mentioned above. Kind of like conservatives today I think.
Regan saw the American experience as positive. Obama sees it as negative. I don't think that my comment was simplistic. I did not offer the evidence you have it is true. But my statement stands.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:46:08am |
re: #559 Walter L. Newton
"Every new President loses a little support after the honeymoon period"
"It's just latent racism showing up"
"It's because of all the smears and lies by the organized right wing bloggers and radio show hosts"
(ggeeezz,,, I really WAS born and raised around WAY too many libs, I can even think like them! )
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:47:10am |
re: #570 sattv4u2
(ggeeezz,,, I really WAS born and raised around WAY too many libs, I can even think like them! )
I'm not sure if "think" is the correct word for this context.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:47:32am |
re: #557 jcm
Mornin' Honcos!
I am so enjoying watching the (D)s circle the wagons 'round Charles "I don't need to report no stinkin' income" Rangel, Chairman of the Ways and Means committee. I sincerely hope people remember this is what passes for Speaker Pelosi her standard of integrity: "The American people voted to restore integrity and honesty in Washington, D.C., and the Democrats intend to lead the most honest, most open and most ethical Congress in history,"
The Democrats claimed they would drain the swamp of corruption.
They've done the opposite. They've turned it into their personal swimming pool, and Rangel is busy leading the backstroke brigade.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:47:35am |
re: #570 sattv4u2
Well their talking points are rather consistent no matter the decade they are talking in.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:48:06am |
re: #562 jill e
That is such a disgusting story. I have a healthy gallows humor funny-bone but I can't even imagine anyone ever being comfortable "joking" about a death I was a part of. Even in the most charitable history of that story, he was present at the death of a young woman. How could that ever be joked about in his presence? Ever?
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WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:48:21am |
re: #565 Spenser (with an S)
I would respectfully submit that the main difference is not the slogans, but the speeches each gave to back them up. Reagan loved America and was America. I think Bill Clinton and other Dems love America. I have not heard a word that makes me think that Obama loves, cherishes or even really understands America. He tolerates her and can't wait to finally make Her great.
And his vision of great has yet to be fully defined. From what I have seen so far, it includes socialism. That concerns me greatly.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:48:23am |
re: #565 Spenser (with an S)
I have not heard a word that makes me think that Obama loves, cherishes or even really understands America. He tolerates her and can't wait to finally make Her great.
Quoting James Lileks from memory, on the subject of "progressives" who alternate their enraged America-bashing with outraged expressions of "how dare you question my patriotism!": They're like a man who claims that he loves his wife, but beats her for not looking like the Playboy centerfold model.
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:49:30am |
re: #549 JamesTKirk
Ah and "4+20" was a GREAT song by Stephen Stills - though it had nothing to do with the marijuana sub-culture...or did it?!?
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:49:30am |
re: #563 realwest
Ah, back to the fray!
What do you mean by the "by the two different doctors I'll be seeing, privately!"
Privately?!? You mean...GASP! ...you're going outside the National Health Care system y'all have over there?
Why would you want to do that?!
Yep, {rw} - I'm indeed going outside our praised NHS!
Mind, they both were top NHS doctors, both are retired/semi-retired, so they do know what they are doing.
The eye-doctor is not happy with the culture of immediate operations for anythingdner the NHS - so that suits me fine, and the allergy specialist has had enough of beening told what to do and when - he does a lot of research, and is just brilliant.
So - I'm shelling out to get the service you can get on your various insurance schemes as a matter of course.
The funny thing is that my GP (NHS) seems to be quite relaxed about this personal initiative of mine.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:49:32am |
re: #563 realwest
I grew up with the NHS, and from my own limited point of view, I found that it worked well. The only time I did a controlled comparison between NHS and private medicine was when I developed mononucleosis in late 1996. I went to the NHS doctor who duly performed a blood test and said that the results would be available within a week. My boss at the time cajoled me into going to his own private doctor who produced the blood test results on the same day, roughly 5 days ahead of the NHS. He then continued to monitor me in the usual way that one does for a mono-patient. My wife was rather less sanguine about the NHS during her first pregnancy, and we went private.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:49:38am |
re: #571 WinterCat
re: #565 Spenser (with an S)
A thousand updings.
Promises, promises.
/pimping oneself
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reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:50:04am |
re: #557 jcm
Mornin' Honcos!
I am so enjoying watching the (D)s circle the wagons 'round Charles "I don't need to report no stinkin' income" Rangel, Chairman of the Ways and Means committee. I sincerely hope people remember this is what passes for Speaker Pelosi her standard of integrity: "The American people voted to restore integrity and honesty in Washington, D.C., and the Democrats intend to lead the most honest, most open and most ethical Congress in history,"
Here's another honest Dem with great integrity:
William Jefferson files for bankruptcy
Faced with a recent federal court ruling that he can be held liable to forfeit nearly $500,000 in bribe money, convicted former U.S. Rep. William Jefferson and his wife, Andrea, have filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection.
Jefferson, who was found guilty of 11 of 16 counts of corruption last month in a Virginia courtroom, filed paperwork on behalf of himself and his wife last week in U.S. Bankruptcy Court stating that the couple have debt of between $1 million and $10 million.
. . .
The bankruptcy papers were filed Aug. 24 by the Jeffersons' daughter, lawyer and former state legislator Jalila Jefferson-Bullock.
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jcm Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:50:17am |
re: #573 lawhawk
The Democrats claimed they would drain the swamp of corruption.
They've done the opposite. They've turned it into their personal swimming pool, and Rangel is busy leading the backstroke brigade.
The legislation calls for the creation of what he calls the, "Rangel Rule," -- drawing attention to the recent legal issues of House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., enabling citizens who fail to pay taxes on time to do so later with no additional fees.
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WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:50:19am |
re: #577 Occasional Reader
Quoting James Lileks from memory, on the subject of "progressives" who alternate their enraged America-bashing with outraged expressions of "how dare you question my patriotism!": They're like a man who claims that he loves his wife, but beats her for not looking like the Playboy centerfold model.
And I might add that the Playboy centerfold model has been highly retouched so what he holds up as the ideal is not real.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:50:34am |
re: #562 jill e
Jill E ,,, cautionary note. Don't push this too hard. Charles was VERY specific about disparaging Senator Kennedy on his blog. I understand you're just passing on 'interesting" links of stories that are coming out post-mortem, but ,,
just sayin!
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WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:50:36am |
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:50:46am |
re: #559 Walter L. Newton
Is this a trend yet?
Must be due to racism, hate mongering or just Stoopid peeple. \
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Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:50:57am |
Another sexy kilt photo for a Scottish style morning.
Och, laddie! Time for the ol' caber toss.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:51:03am |
re: #559 Walter L. Newton
Is this a trend yet?
The chum is in the water.
/I repeat, the chum is in the water
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:51:36am |
re: #575 Spenser (with an S)
That is such a disgusting story. I have a healthy gallows humor funny-bone but I can't even imagine anyone ever being comfortable "joking" about a death I was a part of. Even in the most charitable history of that story, he was present at the death of a young woman. How could that ever be joked about in his presence? Ever?
Mark Steyn on Ted Kennedy's, ah, "legacy", touching on that point.
Nine hours. He did not report the accident for nine hours.
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jill e Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:51:44am |
Obama's 1983 college article on Reagan and nuclear weapons. Some interesting comparisons to Nazi Germany at the end.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:51:44am |
re: #577 Occasional Reader
They're like a man who claims that he loves his wife, but beats her for not looking like the Playboy centerfold model.
You mean their wives don't?
/married waay above my level.
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:52:23am |
re: #557 jcm
Mornin' Honcos!
I am so enjoying watching the (D)s circle the wagons 'round Charles "I don't need to report no stinkin' income" Rangel, Chairman of the Ways and Means committee. I sincerely hope people remember this is what passes for Speaker Pelosi her standard of integrity: "The American people voted to restore integrity and honesty in Washington, D.C., and the Democrats intend to lead the most honest, most open and most ethical Congress in history,"
Good morning jcm my friend - thanks for reminding me of Speaker Pelosi's statement - laughed almost as much this time around as when I first heard it!
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:52:55am |
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jill e Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:53:26am |
re: #585 sattv4u2
Jill E ,,, cautionary note. Don't push this too hard. Charles was VERY specific about disparaging Senator Kennedy on his blog. I understand you're just passing on 'interesting" links of stories that are coming out post-mortem, but ,,
just sayin!
I understand that, but when does the moratorium end? Has anyone read the GQ article about Kennedy and Dodds? The man was a horror and I'm willing to face banning in the face of facts. Kennedy is one reason why we have Obama.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:53:51am |
re: #582 reine.de.tout
I am very sad for Mr. Jefferson. It is just awful that (*cough) things have gotten so bad (*choke) for them.
(*snort) I hate to see people going through such (*gasp) difficult...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
(breathe)
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:54:22am |
re: #596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am very sad for Mr. Jefferson. It is just awful that (*cough) things have gotten so bad (*choke) for them.
(*snort) I hate to see people going through such (*gasp) difficult...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
(breathe)
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You and me both.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:54:34am |
re: #567 John Neverbend
My father always describes Mr. Brown as "bovine". When I was last in Blighty earlier this year, I had the good fortune to watch Prime Minister's question time where Mr. Cameron gave Gord a good hiding.
Calling Gord bovine is an insult to cattle everywhere!
Yes, Dave Cameron has had Gord on the run on several occasions - but governing a country is not just about harassing Gord.
The Tories are very circumspect right now - they've had their policy ideas on various issues stolen by NuLab on a few occasions already. Thus, a number of people are getting a bit impatient with them - but as this month sees the last annual general aprty conferences ebfore the next election, it pays to be careful.
Some pundits now hint that Gord may perhaps even go for a snap election later this autumn - he thinks the UK economy is 'in recovery', and as this is only down to him, or so he says, he ought to be 'rewarded' with another four or five years in office, God forbid!
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:54:51am |
An excellent op-ed in the LA Times the other day:
Keep your self-righteous fingers off my processed food
Just in time for the worst economic downturn since the Depression, here comes a new crop of social critics to inform us that we're actually spending too little for the food we eat, the clothes we wear, the furniture we sit on and the gasoline that runs our automobiles.
Never mind that U.S. job losses these days range from 200,000 to 500,000 a month, that foreclosures are up 32% over this time last year and that people are re-learning how to clip newspaper coupons so as to save at the supermarket. Dire economic circumstances don't seem to faze these spending enthusiasts, who scold us for shopping at supermarkets instead of at farmer's markets, where a loaf of "artisanal" (and also "sustainable") rye bread sells for $8, ice cream for $6 a cup and organic tomatoes go for $4 a pound...
Ah, there's nothing like liberal snobbery.
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jill e Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:54:53am |
re: #575 Spenser (with an S)
That is such a disgusting story. I have a healthy gallows humor funny-bone but I can't even imagine anyone ever being comfortable "joking" about a death I was a part of. Even in the most charitable history of that story, he was present at the death of a young woman. How could that ever be joked about in his presence? Ever?
It reminds me of Robert Chambers, the "Central Park" killer.
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VioletTiger Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:54:54am |
re: #565 Spenser (with an S)
I would respectfully submit that the main difference is not the slogans, but the speeches each gave to back them up. Reagan loved America and was America. I think Bill Clinton and other Dems love America. I have not heard a word that makes me think that Obama loves, cherishes or even really understands America. He tolerates her and can't wait to finally make Her great.
I was going to respond, but I could not say it any better.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:55:55am |
re: #535 Irish Rose
Nice to see you back, Rose. :-)
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:56:35am |
re: #598 yma o hyd
Calling Gord bovine is an insult to cattle everywhere!
Yes, Dave Cameron has had Gord on the run on several occasions - but governing a country is not just about harassing Gord.
The Tories are very circumspect right now - they've had their policy ideas on various issues stolen by NuLab on a few occasions already. Thus, a number of people are getting a bit impatient with them - but as this month sees the last annual general aprty conferences ebfore the next election, it pays to be careful.
Some pundits now hint that Gord may perhaps even go for a snap election later this autumn - he thinks the UK economy is 'in recovery', and as this is only down to him, or so he says, he ought to be 'rewarded' with another four or five years in office, God forbid!
Just like we're looking for another Reagan, the UK is looking for another Margaret Thatcher.
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:56:49am |
re: #602 Honorary Yooper
We'll see how it goes.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:57:06am |
re: #585 sattv4u2
Charles was VERY specific about disparaging Senator Kennedy on his blog.
I understood it to be a warning against vulgar "woo-hoo, good riddance!" sorts of comments, not against factually-based criticisms of the man's career and life.
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jcm Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:57:15am |
re: #593 realwest
Good morning jcm my friend - thanks for reminding me of Speaker Pelosi's statement - laughed almost as much this time around as when I first heard it!
She was either lying like a rug, or when she says "integrity" the word doesn't mean what she thinks it means.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:58:00am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:58:07am |
re: #565 Spenser (with an S)
I would respectfully submit that the main difference is not the slogans, but the speeches each gave to back them up. Reagan loved America and was America. I think Bill Clinton and other Dems love America. I have not heard a word that makes me think that Obama loves, cherishes or even really understands America. He tolerates her and can't wait to finally make Her great.
Hear, hear!
This is precisely why I have such trouble trusting that anything Obama does is what is right and necessary for the continued success of this country.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:59:03am |
re: #598 yma o hyd
Some pundits now hint that Gord may perhaps even go for a snap election later this autumn - he thinks the UK economy is 'in recovery'
And let me once again marvel, as an American, at the ability of heads of state in parliamentary systems to call an election whenever the timing suits them...
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:59:36am |
re: #568 WinterCat
Regan saw the American experience as positive. Obama sees it as negative. I don't think that my comment was simplistic. I did not offer the evidence you have it is true. But my statement stands.
And my support for your statement stands. America had just finished FOUR godawful years of Carter and the humiliation of having 54 of our civilian embassy personnel held captive for 444 days - Reagan did indeed lift the spirits of all Americans, but for the most biased political types.
Going around the World APOLOGIZING for all that America has done, was not only inaccurate and incomplete, but will come back to haunt him.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:00:04am |
re: #604 Irish Rose
We'll see how it goes.
It'll go well, I think. We all have trying times, and I've learned to stay out of threads where the signal to noise ratio is off the charts, and to GAZE when appropriate (usually when people are throwing around ad hominems like cream pies).
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:00:06am |
re: #595 jill e
I understand that, but when does the moratorium end? Has anyone read the GQ article about Kennedy and Dodds? The man was a horror and I'm willing to face banning in the face of facts. Kennedy is one reason why we have Obama.
I think that it was important to show restraint until at least Senator Kennedy was buried, he's buried.
I wish that they had done that at the funeral mass, instead of having children pitch health reform politics from the altar.
The death of Kennedy is not reason to change even one vote on
the health proposal.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:00:19am |
re: #606 jcm
She was either lying like a rug, or when she says "integrity" the word doesn't mean what she thinks it means.
The Princess Bride?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:00:24am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:00:32am |
re: #595 jill e
I understand that, but when does the moratorium end? Has anyone read the GQ article about Kennedy and Dodds? The man was a horror and I'm willing to face banning in the face of facts. Kennedy is one reason why we have Obama.
Only one person can answer that, and even if (when) it 'ends" I'd be willing to bet (and agree) that comments will be given a short leash!
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quickjustice Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:00:42am |
With due respect to the respectable Scots and Gaels on this thread, the Scottish Justice Minister is the one who sprung the culprit.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:01:02am |
re: #599 Ward Cleaver
Reminds me; as of today, the manufacture or importation of eeevilll incandescent light bulbs in banned in the EU.
Now... it may well be that these bulbs are technologically obsolete. But why do people have to be forced to make that choice?
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:01:12am |
re: #591 jill e
The comments on Nazi Germany are, I think, from another article not written by Obama.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:01:15am |
re: #591 jill e
Obama's 1983 college article on Reagan and nuclear weapons. Some interesting comparisons to Nazi Germany at the end.
Hands up all who think he wrote this himself!
Good find, btw - I wonder if this has been 'allowed for publication' by the PB0's office ...
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:01:23am |
re: #606 jcm
She was either lying like a rug, or when she says "integrity" the word doesn't mean what she thinks it means.
Your Jedi mind tricks wont work with me.
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KenJen Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:01:34am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:01:59am |
re: #621 lawhawk
Your Jedi mind tricks wont work with me.
Oh, and by the way... those droids? Not the ones you're looking for. Just FYI.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:02:09am |
re: #592 Spenser (with an S)
You mean their wives don't?
/married waay above my level.
Your wife looks airbrushed?
/
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:03:28am |
re: #610 realwest
And my support for your statement stands. America had just finished FOUR godawful years of Carter and the humiliation of having 54 of our civilian embassy personnel held captive for 444 days - Reagan did indeed lift the spirits of all Americans, but for the most biased political types.
Going around the World APOLOGIZING for all that America has done, was not only inaccurate and incomplete, but will come back to haunt him.
BHO aplogized for colonialism in Islamic lands during his speech at Cairo U. We never had any Muslim colonies!
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:03:31am |
re: #580 John Neverbend
It's not that I doubt you or your word, but more that I'm inclined to believe ymo o hyd and other Brits with whom I have a relationship.
Waiting times such as you slipped past can be the difference between living and dying - or at least the possibility of living.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:03:41am |
re: #599 Ward Cleaver
An excellent op-ed in the LA Times the other day:
Keep your self-righteous fingers off my processed food
who scold us for shopping at supermarkets instead of at farmer's markets, where a loaf of "artisanal" (and also "sustainable") rye bread sells for $8, ice cream for $6 a cup and organic tomatoes go for $4 a pound.
Ah, there's nothing like liberal snobbery.
Well, if we went to all organic food, and stopped petroleum use, we'd solve the unemployment problem.
Those people who didn't starve to death would be quite busy working on the farms.
I think some people actually wish there had been the mass starvation Erlich and is ilk predicted, and are trying to force it.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:05:30am |
re: #603 Ward Cleaver
Just like we're looking for another Reagan, the UK is looking for another Margaret Thatcher.
They broke the mould when they made Maggie ... sigh.
All we can hope for is that 'Maggie's grandchildren' won't disgrace her memories.
Not that there aren't some excellent, experienced politicians in Dave Cameron's shadow cabinet, even though they are all quite young (under 50).
Watch out for William Hague, who used to be leader of the Tory party a few years ago. He'll be the next Foreign Secretary. He's quite brilliant.
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WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:05:46am |
re: #610 realwest
And my support for your statement stands. America had just finished FOUR godawful years of Carter and the humiliation of having 54 of our civilian embassy personnel held captive for 444 days - Reagan did indeed lift the spirits of all Americans, but for the most biased political types.
Going around the World APOLOGIZING for all that America has done, was not only inaccurate and incomplete, but will come back to haunt him.
His current poll numbers back up your statements.
| 631 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:05:46am |
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:05:49am |
re: #626 opnion
BHO aplogized for colonialism in Islamic lands during his speech at Cairo U. We never had any Muslim colonies!
Oh, but he knows we would have if we could have! That's just how we roll.
| 633 |
Killian Bundy Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:06:20am |
Hey, the Senate is going to trot out cap and trade at the end of the month.
Voters ought to like that, right?
/ . . . the gift that keeps on giving
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:06:53am |
re: #631 Kosh's Shadow
re: #625 jcm
More like Bride of Frankenstein!
That's Fronk-en-steen.
"What hump?"
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WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:07:11am |
re: #626 opnion
BHO aplogized for colonialism in Islamic lands during his speech at Cairo U. We never had any Muslim colonies!
Obama believes he transcends the mere boundaries of a nation. He speaks from the highest seat of power. His ego.
| 636 |
yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:07:14am |
re: #609 Occasional Reader
And let me once again marvel, as an American, at the ability of heads of state in parliamentary systems to call an election whenever the timing suits them...
I think this is a British specialty.
Other countries have to go through the trauma of a No-Confidence-Motion, in parliament.
| 637 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:07:28am |
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:07:39am |
re: #599 Ward Cleaver
An excellent op-ed in the LA Times the other day:
Keep your self-righteous fingers off my processed food
Ah, there's nothing like liberal snobbery.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE IT ANYWHERE. Sorta what I've been saying about the Leftist Elites attitude towards "ordinary" Americans: "We got ours, fuck you."
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:07:44am |
re: #628 Kosh's Shadow
Well, if we went to all organic food, and stopped petroleum use, we'd solve the unemployment problem.
Those people who didn't starve to death would be quite busy working on the farms.I think some people actually wish there had been the mass starvation Erlich and is ilk predicted, and are trying to force it.
As long as it was conservatives that were starving.
| 640 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:07:51am |
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:08:20am |
re: #633 Killian Bundy
Hey, the Senate is going to trot out cap and trade at the end of the month.
Voters ought to like that, right?
/ . . . the gift that keeps on
givingtaking
FTFY. :)
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:08:20am |
re: #628 Kosh's Shadow
Time Magazine rails against the "high price of cheap food".
Cheap food? Well, we can't have that, can we?! I mean, otherwise, ANYONE could eat it, even those who are Not Our Class, Dear!
| 644 |
opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:09:11am |
re: #632 Spenser (with an S)
Oh, but he knows we would have if we could have! That's just how we roll.
Ah, perhaps I underestimated the magnitude of the Dear Leader's skills.
| 645 |
Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:09:26am |
Has Attorney General Eric Holder damaged the CIA's improved counterterrorist capacity by his decision to employ a special prosecutor to investigate whether crimes were committed by the agency's interrogators? From the moment Barack Obama won the presidency, Langley's use of "enhanced interrogation" was obviously over. The appointment of a prosecutor guarantees that unless the United States is again devastated by a terrorist attack—on a scale greater than 9/11—CIA operatives will certainly decline any future order by a Republican president to interrogate roughly a jihadist. Langley's junior officers may still receive survival and escape training, which is the baptismal font for the agency's enhanced interrogation techniques. But members of al Qaeda will not similarly get to enjoy the experience.
| 646 |
Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:09:27am |
re: #612 opnion
I wish that they had done that at the funeral mass, instead of having children pitch health reform politics from the altar.
I have to disagree with that statement, it's very unfair to the family.
I watched the wake and funeral from beginning to end. Family members were discussing his lifelong committment to the cause of healthcare reform, completely appropriate since this was his funeral and that was a cause that he dedicated his life to. But they were not doing it in an exploitative manner.
Surely, you weren't expecting them to not talk about it, or avoid discussing it in his eulogies?
| 647 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:09:29am |
re: #617 Occasional Reader
Reminds me; as of today, the manufacture or importation of eeevilll incandescent light bulbs in banned in the EU.
Now... it may well be that these bulbs are technologically obsolete. But why do people have to be forced to make that choice?
Because the liberals know what's good for you.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:10:22am |
re: #616 quickjustice
With due respect to the respectable Scots and Gaels on this thread, the Scottish Justice Minister is the one who sprung the culprit.
He did - but as Scotland gets their revenues allocated from the lot in Westminster (thats Gord!), I think we really ought to put the blame on those who did the really dirty work behind the scenes and have used MacAskill as the proverbial fall guy.
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:10:22am |
re: #606 jcm
She was either lying like a rug, or when she says "integrity" the word doesn't mean what she thinks it means.
I dibs lying - it's Pelosi's Default position - which is just one reason some Dems in the House are looking more and more to Hoyer for leadership.
| 650 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:10:55am |
re: #642 Occasional Reader
Time Magazine rails against the "high price of cheap food".
Cheap food? Well, we can't have that, can we?! I mean, otherwise, ANYONE could eat it, even those who are Not Our Class, Dear!
Cage-free Twinkies!
| 651 |
John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:11:28am |
re: #627 realwest
Then I'm sorry that you and I don't have a relationship. You probably realize that I'm not saying that the NHS is perfect, and I'm sure that you and I have heard the many stories which clearly evidence its shortcomings. However, the fact is that my personal experience of the NHS from the '60s to the late '90s was not at all bad. I did have a brief life-threatening illness as a young boy, and I think it's fair to say that between my father and the rest of the NHS (he was an NHS employee), my life was saved.
To the best of my knowledge, my family and friends had similarly reasonable experiences.
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:11:38am |
re: #635 WinterCat
Obama believes he transcends the mere boundaries of a nation. He speaks from the highest seat of power. His ego.
'People of Berlin, People of the World. We are the ones that we have waited for." Toss in Greek Columns & you have a dangerous narcissist.
| 653 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:11:40am |
| 654 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:12:30am |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:13:03am |
re: #639 Ward Cleaver
As long as it was conservatives that were starving.
They think that would be the case, don't they?
I wonder how well their organic communes really would work if they had to live off what they produced.
| 656 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:13:40am |
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Flyers1974 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:13:44am |
re: #568 WinterCat
Regan saw the American experience as positive. Obama sees it as negative. I don't think that my comment was simplistic. I did not offer the evidence you have it is true. But my statement stands.
I don't agree with those who assume Obama sees it as a negative, or at least with those who make this statement without qualifications. As a black American, I think it would be hard for Obama not to see the broad sweep of our history differently from Reagan for example. But this is different from viewing America in a negative light today. And unless one believes that political slogans or even speeches are a reliable indicator of his true feelings, I think its hard to break through the P.R. the image creators, etc... to know his true feelings.
| 658 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:13:49am |
And speaking of "green technology" and all that: I saw my first Tesla Roadster this weekend. Sweet-looking car, and the owner (with whom I chatted a bit) seemed very happy with it. Of course, it costs something like $125,000. But I DO like the idea of a COOL, non-sucky electric car, being built right here in the USA, by an upstart start-up company! THAT'S the spirit we need more of, not umpty-billions more in bailouts.
| 659 |
unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:13:54am |
re: #646 Irish Rose
I have to disagree with that statement, it's very unfair to the family.
I watched the wake and funeral from beginning to end. Family members were discussing his lifelong committment to the cause of healthcare reform, completely appropriate since this was his funeral and that was a cause that he dedicated his life to. But they were not doing it in an exploitative manner.
Surely, you weren't expecting them to not talk about it, or avoid discussing it in his eulogies?
It was obvious to me that the little kid was reading a prepared script.
| 660 |
John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:13:59am |
re: #629 yma o hyd
I remember Hague's speech at the Tory conference when he was 16. I briefly saw him at Oxford (he was 2 years behind me), and then there was a gap of several years after which he became leader.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:14:56am |
re: #650 Ward Cleaver
Cage-free Twinkies!
Heh.
And "Ho-Hos" have now been redesignated (in the name of sensitivity) as "Sex Worker-Sex Workers".
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:15:04am |
re: #651 John Neverbend
However, the fact is that my personal experience of the NHS from the '60s to the late '90s was not at all bad. I did have a brief life-threatening illness as a young boy, and I think it's fair to say that between my father and the rest of the NHS (he was an NHS employee), my life was saved.
I don't think anyone was implying that the NHS service never helped anyone. Clearly, that is what it was put in place for and many dedicated people work for them. We're just saying that there are enough flaws that many don't want to duplicate a National Health system here.
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:15:16am |
re: #626 opnion
BHO aplogized for colonialism in Islamic lands during his speech at Cairo U. We never had any Muslim colonies!
We've never really had ANY Colonies - though I'm not sure how to categorize Puerto Rico - they keep holding votes for total Independent Nation Status and keep voting against them!
But you have to understand, President Obama - as is true of lots and lots of college kids was focused on lots of things other than History - American or World when he was in college.
As was, apparently, his speech writer.
I will say this in President Obama's defense: I don't recall ever seeing a president with such a truly sorry pack of advisors in my life. Ever.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:15:29am |
re: #637 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Unfortunately my computer is not giving me any sound. Could you tell me what's on the video that relates to my nic?
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:16:16am |
re: #646 Irish Rose
I have to disagree with that statement, it's very unfair to the family.
I watched the wake and funeral from beginning to end. Family members were discussing his lifelong committment to the cause of healthcare reform, completely appropriate since this was his funeral and that was a cause that he dedicated his life to. But they were not doing it in an exploitative manner.
Surely, you weren't expecting them to not talk about it, or avoid discussing it in his eulogies?
Rose, read my statement. I am talking about young children being scripted to pitch politics from the altar. That is explotative on several levels.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:16:37am |
re: #660 John Neverbend
I remember Hague's speech at the Tory conference when he was 16. I briefly saw him at Oxford (he was 2 years behind me), and then there was a gap of several years after which he became leader.
I think he's really happy now in the position he is. He's an excellent speaker, and when he's at the dispatch box he shows the most delicious wit, combined with a perfect full hit on his opponent.
Good man!
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:16:45am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:16:45am |
re: #665 opnion
Rose, read my statement. I am talking about young children being scripted to pitch politics from the altar. That is explotative on several levels.
How else do we prove that it's "All for the children"??
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:16:54am |
re: #662 Spenser (with an S)
I realize that. However, I just wanted to point out that it's actually done a lot of good, although I agree that it would not be a good model for the US.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:16:54am |
re: #657 Flyers1974
I think its hard to break through the P.R. the image creators, etc... to know his true feelings.
Well... there are, of course, his own, you know, WORDS on the subject. Which are not entirely encouraging.
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unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:16:57am |
re: #646 Irish Rose
I have to disagree with that statement, it's very unfair to the family.
I watched the wake and funeral from beginning to end. Family members were discussing his lifelong committment to the cause of healthcare reform, completely appropriate since this was his funeral and that was a cause that he dedicated his life to. But they were not doing it in an exploitative manner.
Surely, you weren't expecting them to not talk about it, or avoid discussing it in his eulogies?
Caroline Kennedy's Daughter's hand signals at the funeral might have been inappropriate.
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Lee Coller Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:17:19am |
re: #626 opnion
BHO aplogized for colonialism in Islamic lands during his speech at Cairo U. We never had any Muslim colonies!
History wasn't BHO's strong point. That means he's going to repeat it.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:17:26am |
re: #633 Killian Bundy
If at first you don't succeed, show the voters that you're indeed incapable of getting anything else done. Remember too that Rangel wanted to get the health care bill out of the way before going on to cap n' tax.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:17:29am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:18:25am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:19:14am |
re: #674 BlueCanuck
What do you mean again? It hasn't stopped.
I'm unstoppable. In ... well, you know.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:19:51am |
re: #383 FrogMarch
It's in the House Bill they wanted to pass before the
SeptemberAugust recess.
correction...
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:19:56am |
re: #663 realwest
We've never really had ANY Colonies - though I'm not sure how to categorize Puerto Rico - they keep holding votes for total Independent Nation Status and keep voting against them!
But you have to understand, President Obama - as is true of lots and lots of college kids was focused on lots of things other than History - American or World when he was in college.
As was, apparently, his speech writer.
I will say this in President Obama's defense: I don't recall ever seeing a president with such a truly sorry pack of advisors in my life. Ever.
Yup, the far left fringe now runs the govenment. Next up empathy Czar
Bernadine Dohrn.
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:20:15am |
re: #659 unrealizedviewpoint
It was obvious to me that the little kid was reading a prepared script.
Sure, but prepared by whom?
Seems to me that he's old enough to write down his own thoughts about Grandpa.
Has it occured to you that perhaps that young man actually believed the same way that his Grandfather believed? He is a Kennedy after all, and this is a cause that the entire family champions.
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jcm Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:20:44am |
re: #658 Occasional Reader
And speaking of "green technology" and all that: I saw my first Tesla Roadster this weekend. Sweet-looking car, and the owner (with whom I chatted a bit) seemed very happy with it. Of course, it costs something like $125,000. But I DO like the idea of a COOL, non-sucky electric car, being built right here in the USA, by an upstart start-up company! THAT'S the spirit we need more of, not umpty-billions more in bailouts.
Their Sedan is also a winner IMHO. The thing with going electric cars is the power grid cannot handle a significant number of electric cars with out both increasing grid capacity (more power lines) and generation capacity.
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:20:48am |
re: #633 Killian Bundy
Hi Killian - say, do you know if the Dems have added nuclear power to the list and it should be at the TOP of the list of ready-to-go (if the damn environmental weenies stop with the lawsuits) list of alternative fuel sources?
Anyone told John F. Kerry that France, FRANCE gets
70+% of it's electrical energy from nuclear power plants - and with that electricity electric powered vehicles might actually become significan in American lives?
Hell, have they even added Nuclear Power to the list of "Alternative Fuels"?!?
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:21:08am |
re: #666 yma o hyd
In the Victorian novel, The Prime Minister, there's a scene where the PM and the leader of the opposition are having a go at each other, but they're using selected Latin quotations. I'd like to see a return to that sort of thing.
I'm sure you remember Enoch Powell's "rivers of blood" speech. Apparently, he wanted to quote in Latin from the Aeneid the relevant lines about Aeneas seeming to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood. In the end, he was advised to keep it all in English!
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:21:19am |
Further to Lockerbie:
From that link:
'The Justice Secretary wrote to Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond in November 2008 pointing out Libyan "concerns for health and possible return to Libya" of the Megrahi but stressed it was a matter for the Scottish administration.
On a separate occasion he rejected attempts to exclude the convicted terrorist from a prisoner transfer agreement. '
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unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:21:29am |
re: #633 Killian Bundy
Hey, the Senate is going to trot out cap and trade at the end of the month.
Voters ought to like that, right?
/ . . . the gift that keeps on giving
O's approval numbers should spike to 38%
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:21:53am |
re: #642 Occasional Reader
Time Magazine rails against the "high price of cheap food".
Cheap food? Well, we can't have that, can we?! I mean, otherwise, ANYONE could eat it, even those who are Not Our Class, Dear!
Obama's WH garden yielded 225 pounds of fruit and vegies. No word on how much space and time was required to tend to that garden. It's easy when you have staff to do that work for you.
My father in law has a garden in his backyard - it's about 15x15 and raises tomatoes, asparagus, broccoli, lettuce, peppers, eggplant and squash. I don't know how much his yield is, but it's considerable. I also know he spends considerable amount of time tending to it. They do yield more than they can eat, so we get the excess (and it's far superior to the food we can get in stores - counting Whole Foods, Trader Joes or Fairway).
Not many people can afford to do it that way.
It's also interesting that we've gone so far from worrying about starvation in the US to worrying about the opposite end of the spectrum as a result of an abundance of food options. In fact, it's curious that the pundits are concerned about an "overabundance" of food options at low prices.
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SurferDoc Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:22:07am |
Using a kid at a funeral to pitch a political point of view is disgusting, period.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:22:19am |
re: #663 realwest
We've never really had ANY Colonies
Something of an overstatement, my friend. "Never"... well, the Phillipines come to mind, and yes, Puerto Rico for a time. America dabbled in the colonialism business, but never got into it on anything like a European Great Power scale, and got out of it long ago.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:22:28am |
re: #664 John Neverbend
Totally lost on you then... the MST3K guys are making up names for the guy as he runs around... names like...
Slab Bulkhead
Fridge Largemeat
Punt Speedchunk
Butch Deadlift
Bold Bigflank
Splint Chesthair
Flint Ironstag
Bolt Vanderhuge
Thick McRunfast
Blast Hardcheese
Buff Drinklots
Trunk Slamchest
Fist Rockbone
Stump Beefknob
Smash Lampjaw
Punch Rockgroin
Buck Plankchest
Stump Chunkman
Dirk Hardpec
Rip Steakface
Slate Slabrock
Crud Bonemeal
Brick Hardmeat
Whip Slagcheek
Punch Side-iron
Gristle McThornbody
Slate Fistcrunch
Buff Hardback
Bob Johnson (no, wait...)
Blast Thickneck
Crunch Buttsteak
Slab Squatthrust
Lump Beefbroth
Touch Rustrod
Reef Blastbody
Big McLargehuge
Smoke Manmuscle
Beat Punchbeef
Hack Blowfist
Roll Fizzlebeef
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unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:22:49am |
re: #679 Irish Rose
Sure, but prepared by whom?
Seems to me that he's old enough to write down his own thoughts about Grandpa.Has it occured to you that perhaps that young man actually believed the same way that his Grandfather believed? He is a Kennedy after all, and this is a cause that the entire family champions.
Sorry, NO. Little kids just don't write like that ...specially Kennedy kids.
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:23:37am |
re: #690 unrealizedviewpoint
Respectfully, I think you're only seeing what you want to see.
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:24:07am |
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:24:08am |
re: #683 John Neverbend
In the Victorian novel, The Prime Minister, there's a scene where the PM and the leader of the opposition are having a go at each other, but they're using selected Latin quotations. I'd like to see a return to that sort of thing.
I'm sure you remember Enoch Powell's "rivers of blood" speech. Apparently, he wanted to quote in Latin from the Aeneid the relevant lines about Aeneas seeming to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood. In the end, he was advised to keep it all in English!
Yep - and he was reviled for that ever since!
Now Daniel Hannan, the Tory MEP and maverick, has been castigated by NuLab and their spin doctors because he dared to say that Enoch Powell was a hugely intelligent and well educated man, who had a lot to offer ...
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:24:20am |
re: #687 SurferDoc
I think Rose is putting out the possibility that he prepared his own remarks of his own volition. I don't remember the language so I don't know who's right.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:24:21am |
re: #683 John Neverbend
I hear a story from a Jesuit professor at Georgetown University once, about how he attended a dinner here in DC with a whole bunch of Jesuit academics from all over the world. They quickly realized that the only language that ALL of them had in common was... Latin. So they had a merry dinner, chatting away with each other in Latin, much to the surprise of the waiters.
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:24:26am |
re: #651 John Neverbend
Well I'd welcome a relationship, my nic is in blue, please feel free to e-mail me anytime!
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:24:36am |
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:25:51am |
I sincerely regret that I have to leave such an interesting and truly VIBRANT thread, but chores (and more importantly Mom) call!!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road tonight!
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unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:26:24am |
re: #692 Irish Rose
Respectfully, I think you're only seeing what you want to see.
Respectfully, I think you're only seeing what you want to see.
:)
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:26:25am |
re: #689 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Damn, I wish I'd had sound. This is hilarious. I have to confess that my nic is the name of a character in a novel. He's the President of a fictitious country and is trying stubbornly to push through a program of euthanasia. In fact, his efforts are thwarted by the arrival of the British navy who threaten to obliterate him with some high-tec gun if he persists.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:26:53am |
re: #683 John Neverbend
In the Victorian novel, The Prime Minister, there's a scene where the PM and the leader of the opposition are having a go at each other, but they're using selected Latin quotations.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:27:05am |
Here is the link to the letters released by the government in regard to the release of Megrahi - but remember, its a selection only, and the selection was done ... by the Government!
[Link: www.justice.gov.uk...]
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WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:27:05am |
re: #657 Flyers1974
I don't agree with those who assume Obama sees it as a negative, or at least with those who make this statement without qualifications. As a black American, I think it would be hard for Obama not to see the broad sweep of our history differently from Reagan for example. But this is different from viewing America in a negative light today. And unless one believes that political slogans or even speeches are a reliable indicator of his true feelings, I think its hard to break through the P.R. the image creators, etc... to know his true feelings.
I don't think it is hard to get at his true feelings at all. You just have to listen to the man. And, of course, we all see the world through the prism of our own experiences. It is our bend to positive or negative that really defines our world view.
Looking Obama's personal history, he has not gone without. In fact, he has personally benefited from a nation that helps the poorest of us all. He education, his experiences are not of a poor man (black, white, or whatever). He has lead a largely privileged life. Far more than my life, I can assure you. Yet, he sees America as a country for which he needs to apologize to the world. I see it as a place where it is up to me to make my success in the world.
Do people suffer here? Please show me anywhere in the world where they do not suffer. I submit that we suffer far less than our fellow men anywhere else in the world.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:27:20am |
Good PJ O'Rourke editorial on Frontpage today:
[Link: frontpagemag.com...]
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:27:26am |
re: #679 Irish Rose
Sure, but prepared by whom?
Seems to me that he's old enough to write down his own thoughts about Grandpa.Has it occured to you that perhaps that young man actually believed the same way that his Grandfather believed? He is a Kennedy after all, and this is a cause that the entire family champions.
Rose did you see the kid? Did you see how young he is?
Kids that age don't spend a lot of time thinking about health reform.
I would bet that the young man could not even explain what it means.
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jcm Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:27:28am |
re: #663 realwest
We've never really had ANY Colonies - though I'm not sure how to categorize Puerto Rico - they keep holding votes for total Independent Nation Status and keep voting against them!
But you have to understand, President Obama - as is true of lots and lots of college kids was focused on lots of things other than History - American or World when he was in college.
As was, apparently, his speech writer.
I will say this in President Obama's defense: I don't recall ever seeing a president with such a truly sorry pack of advisors in my life. Ever.
There was the brief 40 year period where we held the Philippines as a colony, after the 1898 Treaty of Paris to granting of Commonwealth status in 1935.
LaZardo would have a better handle on Philippine US history.
We certainly never the colonization of the European nations.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:27:55am |
re: #687 SurferDoc
Using a kid at a funeral to pitch a political point of view is disgusting, period.
I agree and up-dinged you. But I also firmly believe it was Senator Kennedy's wish that the kid pitched it.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:27:57am |
re: #686 lawhawk
We had a "truck" garden growing up. about 40x4. When I was big enough I took on the grunt work of turning the soil every autumn when the garden was finished, and every spring when the ground had thawed and dried. For a family of five it was great for fresh produce. Still, when my mom was canning she would get a couple of bushels of tomatoes and other stuff from the local farmers market to do the task. Our garden never produced near enough to feed us. As well most of the vegetables weren't ready till the end of July and the garden was finished by mid september, except for the root crops.
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unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:27:58am |
re: #695 Spenser (with an S)
I think Rose is putting out the possibility that he prepared his own remarks of his own volition. I don't remember the language so I don't know who's right.
Little kids, especially Kennedy kids, don't write like that. I'll find the video.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:28:39am |
re: #689 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If y'all can read down that list without laughing...
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:30:03am |
re: #710 unrealizedviewpoint
Little kids, especially Kennedy kids, don't write like that.
Like Teddy in college, they have someone else write their papers for them?
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:30:12am |
re: #688 Occasional Reader
Something of an overstatement, my friend. "Never"... well, the Phillipines come to mind, and yes, Puerto Rico for a time. America dabbled in the colonialism business, but never got into it on anything like a European Great Power scale, and got out of it long ago.
We still have American Samoa.
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:31:17am |
re: #710 unrealizedviewpoint
Little kids, especially Kennedy kids, don't write like that. I'll find the video.
It was an obvious & clumsy explotation of a death & a child.
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SurferDoc Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:31:38am |
re: #695 Spenser (with an S)
I think Rose is putting out the possibility that he prepared his own remarks of his own volition. I don't remember the language so I don't know who's right.
Then the proper thing to do is to tell the child that we don't do politics at funerals. You know, like decent people might tell a child.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:32:20am |
re: #714 Kosh's Shadow
We still have American Samoa.
We NEED American Samoa, to supply attorneys for our Gonzo Journalists.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:33:14am |
re: #694 yma o hyd
On that particular point, I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Hannan. Powell was an extremely brilliant man, and I think he went on to do good work as an Ulster Unionist. The "rivers of blood speech" was frankly hateful and may even have caused, by the subsequent government reaction, such an immigration policy that some argue led to the 7/7 bombings. This is a point that's difficult to prove, but I heard it aired on a TV program which analyzed Powell's political life.
Here's a trivia question. Powell was the second youngest ever professor of classics in a university. Who was the youngest ever?
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SurferDoc Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:33:28am |
re: #719 Occasional Reader
We NEED American Samoa, to supply attorneys for our Gonzo Journalists.
Somewhere outside of Barstow, the drugs kicked in...
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:33:57am |
re: #719 Occasional Reader
We NEED American Samoa, to supply attorneys for our Gonzo Journalists.
Back in the day, Samoa was a source of quality pro wrestlers.
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Fenboy Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:36:36am |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:36:39am |
re: #717 SurferDoc
Then the proper thing to do is to tell the child that we don't do politics at funerals. You know, like decent people might tell a child.
I don't know. That was the whole families life, politics. When I gave the eulogy at my dad's funeral, I talked all about his machinist skills, his skills as a quality control manager (working on plutonium triggers)... I talked all about his life and his accomplishments, and how he passed that on to me.
What else would be more appropiate for his son talk about?
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:37:06am |
re: #700 unrealizedviewpoint
Respectfully, I think you're only seeing what you want to see.
:)
I guess I'm a rarity, but I try not to subscribe to the politics of demonization.
Knowing what I know about Irish Catholics - and the respect and reverence that they have for death, and the rituals of death - exploiting children during a funeral service for political gain would have been deeply dishonorable.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:37:10am |
re: #721 John Neverbend
On that particular point, I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Hannan. Powell was an extremely brilliant man, and I think he went on to do good work as an Ulster Unionist. The "rivers of blood speech" was frankly hateful and may even have caused, by the subsequent government reaction, such an immigration policy that some argue led to the 7/7 bombings. This is a point that's difficult to prove, but I heard it aired on a TV program which analyzed Powell's political life.
Here's a trivia question. Powell was the second youngest ever professor of classics in a university. Who was the youngest ever?
Blimey - no idea!
(Hangs head in shame ...)
Who was it?
Pitt the younger?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:37:44am |
re: #720 JamesTKirk
Remember when Pee Wee Herman showed up at the MTV Music Awards after his "Rub me the right way" stunt put him in jail? Came out and first thing he said was... "Heard any good jokes lately?"
That was freaking funny.
But, it also wasn't a tragedy.
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:38:26am |
re: #725 Walter L. Newton
I don't know. That was the whole families life, politics. When I gave the eulogy at my dad's funeral, I talked all about his machinist skills, his skills as a quality control manager (working on plutonium triggers)... I talked all about his life and his accomplishments, and how he passed that on to me.
What else would be more appropiate for his son talk about?
Walter, this was not Patrick or Teddy Jr., it was a small grandson.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:38:46am |
re: #727 yma o hyd
My sources tell me that it was Friedrich Nietzsche.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:39:03am |
re: #728 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Remember when Pee Wee Herman showed up at the MTV Music Awards after his "Rub me the right way" stunt put him in jail? Came out and first thing he said was... "Heard any good jokes lately?"
That was freaking funny.
But, it also wasn't a tragedy.
Nobody died except for his career in children's TV.
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:39:37am |
re: #715 unrealizedviewpoint
Here ya go:
Yeah right! A Kennedy kid wrote this.
I'm sorry, but I think that this kind of thing is deeply disrespectful, vicious and cruel.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:40:10am |
re: #729 opnion
Walter, this was not Patrick or Teddy Jr., it was a small grandson.
How small? I really didn't pay attention to it, and I just jumped back into the thread (evidently into deep water).
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SurferDoc Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:40:24am |
re: #725 Walter L. Newton
I don't know. That was the whole families life, politics. When I gave the eulogy at my dad's funeral, I talked all about his machinist skills, his skills as a quality control manager (working on plutonium triggers)... I talked all about his life and his accomplishments, and how he passed that on to me.
What else would be more appropiate for his son talk about?
His accomplishments, minus a pitch for his unrealized goals?
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:40:27am |
re: #730 John Neverbend
My sources tell me that it was Friedrich Nietzsche.
Aww - trick question!
Here I was, thinking about Oxford, Cambridge, Edinborough - and you come with a German!
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:40:30am |
re: #729 opnion
Walter, this was not Patrick or Teddy Jr., it was a small grandson.
He was a small grandson, he was a teen.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:40:33am |
re: #728 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Remember when Pee Wee Herman showed up at the MTV Music Awards after his "Rub me the right way" stunt put him in jail? Came out and first thing he said was... "Heard any good jokes lately?"
That was freaking funny.
But, it also wasn't a tragedy.
Or Richard Pryor making fun of himself after he burned himself freebasing.
"I know what you're saying about me.
What's this?"
Lights a match and moves it sideways.
"Richard Pryor running down the street."
But it is fine to make fun of yourself.
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Ben Hur Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:40:38am |
re: #731 JamesTKirk
Nobody died except for his career in children's TV.
Ironic, no?
Lost his children's tv career for masturbating.
Today, they want to teach elementary school children the wonders and health benefits of masturbation.
| 740 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:40:38am |
Morning, folks. I've installed Snow Leopard on this machine and I'm going to spend a few days evaluating it and determining whether I can put it in my labs. So far, it feels nice and zippy.
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UFO TOFU Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:41:01am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:41:13am |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:41:14am |
Goodnight All . See you in the moring.re: #731 JamesTKirk
Nobody died except for his career in children's TV.
Though Paul Rubens has managed to stay productive. And late this year he will once again don his Pee Wee persona for a stage show.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:41:19am |
re: #734 unrealizedviewpoint
Single-payor Healthcare was Teddy's lifetime goal. Though I believe the script was prepared for the tyke. I actually don't find this as exploitative as some. The Lion would approve, and it was his funeral. Shouldn't we get what we want at our funeral?
And to think if we had it, he would have died months earlier.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:41:27am |
re: #732 Irish Rose
I'm sorry, but I think that this kind of thing is deeply disrespectful, vicious and cruel.
What is. Isn't that the kid and what he said?
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:41:31am |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:41:44am |
re: #733 Walter L. Newton
How small? I really didn't pay attention to it, and I just jumped back into the thread (evidently into deep water).
Looked to be about 10.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:41:49am |
re: #726 Irish Rose
I guess I'm a rarity, but I try not to subscribe to the politics of demonization.
I love you Rose, but that's a little harsh and personal, don't you think? Demonizing? Looking at that video and knowing the family's history, that is certainly as valid of a take on the situation as yours is.
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SurferDoc Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:41:57am |
re: #734 unrealizedviewpoint
Single-payor Healthcare was Teddy's lifetime goal. Though I believe the script was prepared for the tyke. I actually don't find this as exploitative as some. The Lion would approve, and it was his funeral. Shouldn't we get what we want at our funeral?
If that were the case, most of us would jump out of the casket and moonwalk across the altar.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:42:14am |
re: #743 Dark_Falcon
Goodnight All . See you in the moring.
Though Paul Rubens has managed to stay productive. And late this year he will once again don his Pee Wee persona for a stage show.
He should meet the president. Then we could have
Pee Wee meets Wee Wee.
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:42:45am |
re: #733 Walter L. Newton
How small? I really didn't pay attention to it, and I just jumped back into the thread (evidently into deep water).
Nah, you're not in deep water. My guess is that the kid is about 10 or 11 years old.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:42:56am |
re: #740 vxbush
Morning, folks. I've installed Snow Leopard on this machine and I'm going to spend a few days evaluating it and determining whether I can put it in my labs.
You're installing software in your Labrador Retrievers?!
Man... we really do live in The Future!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:43:35am |
re: #743 Dark_Falcon
Goodnight All . See you in the moring.Though Paul Rubens has managed to stay productive. And late this year he will once again don his Pee Wee persona for a stage show.
Strike that. It got left on Firefox when I went to bed last night.
PIMF
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unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:43:49am |
re: #732 Irish Rose
I'm sorry, but I think that this kind of thing is deeply disrespectful, vicious and cruel.
Oh c'mon. It's been a week now. Kennedy's are not known for being geniuses.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:43:54am |
re: #734 unrealizedviewpoint
Shouldn't we get what we want at our funeral?
I want my funeral held on the moon, and attended by the entire legislative branch of the (presumably still around) United States of America! Who are you to tell me nay?
I think the words "within reason" belong in your statement; nobody is entitled to "whatever they want", not even a Kennedy, regardless of what the media and the Kennedys believe.
Now, it's certainly possible to debate what is "within reason" (that's what we're doing), but one cannot rationally deny that the "within reason" clause applies.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:44:02am |
re: #734 unrealizedviewpoint
Single-payor Healthcare was Teddy's lifetime goal. Though I believe the script was prepared for the tyke. I actually don't find this as exploitative as some. The Lion would approve, and it was his funeral. Shouldn't we get what we want at our funeral?
I just watched that video.
Yes, it probably was Teddy's wish, yes it was his funeral, yes, the family should do what they think would have pleased him.
What stuck in my craw was that this was actually meant as part of a prayer!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:44:34am |
re: #737 Irish Rose
He was a small grandson, he was a teen.
Ok, then i see nothing really wrong with this. Even if it was written for him. That's what the family was all about. What was the kid going to talk about, scotch futures?
And at my dad's funeral, in my eulogy, I certainly talked about how my dad's life effected the FUTURE of my family, I didn't talk just about the past.
Politics was this families life, just like many of us here have lives wrapped up in our careers, our beliefs and our faiths. I wouldn't expect less.
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opnion Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:44:42am |
re: #737 Irish Rose
He was a small grandson, he was a teen.
You're thinking of a different kid then. The one that I referred to is about
10 years old.
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Desert Dog Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:44:53am |
re: #743 Dark_Falcon
Goodnight All . See you in the moring.
Though Paul Rubens has managed to stay productive. And late this year he will once again don his Pee Wee persona for a stage show.
Still makes me laugh...Pee Wee's Big Adventure was a very funny movie, no matter what personal problems Paul Reubens may have had or still does.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:45:11am |
re: #744 Kosh's Shadow
And to think if we had it, he would have died months earlier.
No. He wouldn't. The rich and Congress will always have access to the best of care. Everyone else in his position would have restricted care.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:45:24am |
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:45:35am |
re: #755 JamesTKirk
I want my funeral held on the moon, and attended by the entire legislative branch of the (presumably still around) United States of America!
Sorry, dude. We're planning on just lauching YOU out of a torpedo tube in a giant sunglass case, TOO.
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unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:45:40am |
re: #744 Kosh's Shadow
And to think if we had it, he would have died months earlier.
Under any system of healthcare delivery, and especially a socialized one, the wealthy will be awarded the best of care overall.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:45:41am |
re: #750 Kosh's Shadow
He should meet the president. Then we could have
Pee Wee meets Wee Wee.
Hee hee.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:45:45am |
re: #743 Dark_Falcon
Goodnight All . See you in the moring.
Though Paul Rubens has managed to stay productive. And late this year he will once again don his Pee Wee persona for a stage show.
Paul's been in a bunch of movies too. Off the top of my head, Batman (the Penguin's father), "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (he was great!); "Mystery Men"
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:47:00am |
re: #756 yma o hyd
I just watched that video.
Yes, it probably was Teddy's wish, yes it was his funeral, yes, the family should do what they think would have pleased him.What stuck in my craw was that this was actually meant as part of a prayer!
What? Separation of church and state only applies to conservatives! Liberals have always been free to push their plans from the pulpit.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:47:05am |
re: #765 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Paul's been in a bunch of movies too. Off the top of my head, Batman (the Penguin's father), "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (he was great!); "Mystery Men"
Blues Brothers (waiter in the fancy French restaurant.)
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unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:47:46am |
re: #750 Kosh's Shadow
He should meet the president. Then we could have
Pee Wee meets Wee Wee.
The nickname Pee Wee might stick.
/but wouldn't that somehow be racists?
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:47:59am |
re: #762 Occasional Reader
Sorry, dude. We're planning on just lauching YOU out of a torpedo tube in a giant sunglass case, TOO.
Will I also be launched at Genesis Planet?
Because I don't want to spend eternity listening to Phil Collins...
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BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:48:03am |
re: #765 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Paul's been in a bunch of movies too. Off the top of my head, Batman (the Penguin's father), "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (he was great!); "Mystery Men"
Cheech and Chong "Still Smoking" as Pee Wee Herman...
/really.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:48:28am |
"Let him with a free hand cast the first stone."
-Dennis Miller
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:48:54am |
re: #766 JamesTKirk
What? Separation of church and state only applies to conservatives! Liberals have always been free to push their plans from the pulpit.
And here I was thinking liberals were all atheists ...
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:49:13am |
re: #767 Mad Al-Jaffee
Blues Brothers (waiter in the fancy French restaurant.)
"How much for the little girl?"
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:50:01am |
re: #772 yma o hyd
And here I was thinking liberals were all atheists ...
Gah!
Forgot to add this:
///
(Too quick on the 'post-it' button!)
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Kragar Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:50:28am |
re: #765 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Paul's been in a bunch of movies too. Off the top of my head, Batman (the Penguin's father), "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (he was great!); "Mystery Men"
Wasn't his death scene in Buffy the longest recorded death scene in any movie?
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:50:32am |
re: #773 Creeping Eruption
re: #767 Mad Al-Jaffee
Blues Brothers (waiter in the fancy French restaurant.)
"How much for the little girl?"
"I beg your pardon!"
"Your weemen, how much for your weemen?"
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:50:33am |
re: #762 Occasional Reader
Sorry, dude. We're planning on just lauching YOU out of a torpedo tube in a giant sunglass case, TOO.
Too small an area for the mourners. For Kirk, you'd need half a church just for the alien women. First two rows: green skin. Next row: purple skin, etc.
///
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:50:39am |
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:51:14am |
re: #772 yma o hyd
And here I was thinking liberals were all atheists ...
Then you missed Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Barack Obama, and the rest of the crowd all giving sermons in black churches, while Republican candidates were crucified by the media if they were even seen in public with religious figures.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:51:15am |
re: #775 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Wasn't his death scene in Buffy the longest recorded death scene in any movie?
I know I never waited as long as I did for the death of that silly series.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:52:06am |
Lovely. First thing I see this morning -- mean-spirited comments about Ted Kennedy's children.
Is there a reason why these comments are being posted, despite my numerous warnings?
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:53:33am |
re: #779 JamesTKirk
Then you missed Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Barack Obama, and the rest of the crowd all giving sermons in black churches, while Republican candidates were crucified by the media if they were even seen in public with religious figures.
Yeah - I did!
Thats what happens if one doesn't live in your glorious country, but just vegetates in a tiny little corner of the UK, called 'Wales' ...
:-)
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:53:49am |
Hope and Change... and expensive unions
OMB Encourages Discriminatory and Costly Union-ONLY PLA's on Federal Construction Projects.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:54:36am |
Ruh roh... Quick change of topic courtesy of Mark Steyn;
"I myself could point out the absurdity of protestors' concerns about government euthanasia committees...
Federal bureaucracy has never moved fast enough to get to the ill and elderly before natural causes do."
/rimshot
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unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:55:14am |
I'm sorry Charles,
Mean-spirit was not the goal at all.
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srb1976 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:55:21am |
Good Morning!
So Her Royal Stoutness gets up this morning (we all slept way too late for them to go to daycare), and begins to demand a bath and some cookies...
Since I am not feeling my very best, I have given in to her demands...
Chips ahoy soaked in bathwater...the breakfast of champions
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:55:26am |
re: #782 yma o hyd
but just vegetates in a tiny little corner of the UK, called 'Wales' ...
You'll have to forgive us, but we're wary about giving sensitive information to you Welsh. After all, you're notorious for your leeks.
/sorry
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UFO TOFU Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:55:31am |
The Governator will be here in about seven minutes, I might have to cut and here him speak.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:55:54am |
re: #784 Spenser (with an S)
courtesy of Mark Steyn P.J. O'Rourke, I mean.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:56:04am |
re: #786 srb1976
Good Morning!
So Her Royal Stoutness gets up this morning (we all slept way too late for them to go to daycare), and begins to demand a bath and some cookies...
Since I am not feeling my very best, I have given in to her demands...Chips ahoy soaked in bathwater...the breakfast of champions
/Don't knock it until you have tried it.
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:56:37am |
re: #748 Spenser (with an S)
I love you Rose, but that's a little harsh and personal, don't you think? Demonizing? Looking at that video and knowing the family's history, that is certainly as valid of a take on the situation as yours is.
Harsh and personal how? I wasn't attacking anyone.
But look at the video again, and pay attention to the title. Tell me that this video was not created for the purpose of political demonization.
As I stated in an earlier post, Irish Catholics have too much respect for the rituals of death to exploit a funeral mass for political gain. It was being discussed n eulogy only because it mattered so much to Ted on a personal level. It's called "honoring the dead", and it was completely appropriate for the occasion.
The only people who are dishonoring the family are the Republicans who put out crap videos like this one. It's perfectly fine to disagree with his politics, I did too. But accusations like this are cruel and just wrong... my two cents.
The man is dead... show some respect for his family.
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srb1976 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:56:58am |
re: #790 Creeping Eruption
/Don't knock it until you have tried it.
At this point, anything that amuses her for more than 5 seconds is a total win in my book!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:57:03am |
re: #783 FrogMarch
Hope and Change... and expensive unions
OMB Encourages Discriminatory and Costly Union-ONLY PLA's on Federal Construction Projects.
Standard Chicago corrupt labor bargain. I expect that sort of thing from Obama, though I once again am compelled to wonder aloud as to why the likelihood of him doing such things was not brought to the public's attention prior to the election.
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Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:57:27am |
re: #781 Charles
Lovely. First thing I see this morning -- mean-spirited comments about Ted Kennedy's children.
Is there a reason why these comments are being posted, despite my numerous warnings?
Because it seems some people have an itch that needs scratching.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:57:35am |
re: #781 Charles
Lovely. First thing I see this morning -- mean-spirited comments about Ted Kennedy's children.
Is there a reason why these comments are being posted, despite my numerous warnings?
What's the point about posting stuff like that, anyway? Who the people in Mass. want to represent them is their thing.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:58:03am |
re: #787 Occasional Reader
You'll have to forgive us, but we're wary about giving sensitive information to you Welsh. After all, you're notorious for your leeks.
/sorry
Teeheehee - don't be sorry!
Some things, such as this reply, simply are irresistible!
:-)))
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:58:32am |
re: #792 srb1976
At this point, anything that amuses her for more than 5 seconds is a total win in my book!
I spent years trying to find a toy that would amuse my babies for hours.
I finally found something that would amuse them for hours.
Me.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:58:34am |
re: #794 Irish Rose
Because it seems some people have an itch that needs scratching.
Yeah, but you don't want to scratch an itch with the Ban Stick.
/rimshot
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Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:59:33am |
re: #795 Ward Cleaver
What's the point about posting stuff like that, anyway? Who the people in Mass. want to represent them is their thing.
Um... Except, of course, that who they pick to represent them, also gets to author, push, and vote on legislation for the rest of us.
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unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:59:56am |
re: #797 JamesTKirk
I suspect this topic of discussion need be postponed somewhat longer.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:00:02am |
re: #795 Ward Cleaver
Who the people in Mass. want to represent them is their thing.
Ah, would that Massachusetts' Senators were only able to affect Massachusetts.
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Desert Dog Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:00:27am |
re: #798 EmmmieG
I spent years trying to find a toy that would amuse my babies for hours.
I finally found something that would amuse them for hours.
Me.
If you buy them a cool toy...you end up playing with the toy and they play with the box it came in.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:00:34am |
re: #779 JamesTKirk
"And look you, get a prayer-book in your hand,
And stand between two churchmen, good my lord;"
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:00:40am |
re: #798 EmmmieG
re: #792 srb1976
At this point, anything that amuses her for more than 5 seconds is a total win in my book!
I spent years trying to find a toy that would amuse my babies for hours.
I finally found something that would amuse them for hours.
Me.
My heart will break a little the day my kids don't think I'm the funniest guy they've ever seen. I kill with the under-10 crowd.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:00:55am |
re: #793 Dark_Falcon
Standard Chicago corrupt labor bargain. I expect that sort of thing from Obama, though I once again am compelled to wonder aloud as to why the likelihood of him doing such things was not brought to the public's attention prior to the election.
Unions are very inefficient with money. One of the many reasons why the Democrats are in bed with them.
The truth about PLA's:
PLAs typically include the following provisions that discourage merit shop contractors from working on PLA projects:
* Despite the fact that the vast majority of ABC member contractors have their own benefit plans, union-only PLAs require merit shop contractors to pay their workers’ health and welfare benefits to union trust funds. Thus, companies have to pay benefits twice: once to the union and once to the company plan. Workers never see any of the benefit contributions sent to union accounts unless they decide to leave their merit shop employer and remain with the union until vested.
* Paying into underfunded and mismanaged union pension plans also exposes merit shop contractors to massive pension withdrawl liabilities. Signing a PLA and exposing a company to pension liabilities could bankrupt a contractor or prohibit contractors from qualifying for construction bonds needed to build future projects.
* PLAs require merit shop companies to obtain apprentices exclusively from union apprenticeship programs. Participants in federal and state-approved non-union apprenticeship programs cannot work on a job covered by a PLA. This means craft professionals enrolled in all apprenticeship programs other than those offered by the union are excluded from work in their hometowns.
* PLAs require merit shop companies to obtain their workers from union hiring halls. This means a merit shop company has to exclude their hard working employees from specific jobsites and exclusively use unfamiliar union workers. In other instances, merit shop employers can use portions of their own workforce, but they must send their workers to the union hiring hall and hope the union sends the same workers back to that specific jobsite.
* Non-union workers may have to pay union dues and fees or join a union in order to work on a PLA project.
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redstateredneck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:00:57am |
re: #788 UFO TOFU
The Governator will be here in about seven minutes, I might have to cut and here him speak.
But you'll be baaahhhck. right?
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srb1976 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:01:08am |
re: #798 EmmmieG
I spent years trying to find a toy that would amuse my babies for hours.
I finally found something that would amuse them for hours.
Me.
Yeah, not so much looking for something that will amuse her for hours...just looking for something that will amuse her for minutes!
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:02:00am |
I'm really not interested in giving any more warnings about crappy, mean-spirited comments. If you want to post that kind of garbage, and lower yourself into the muck, find another blog to do it at.
Continue and you'll lose your account.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:02:20am |
re: #796 yma o hyd
I don't know if this will work with a largely US audience, but here goes.
What's a Welsh letter? A French letter with a leak in it.
(Not sure if I have to write leak or leek, but you get the point).
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:02:49am |
re: #800 Occasional Reader
Um... Except, of course, that who they pick to represent them, also gets to author, push, and vote on legislation for the rest of us.
They'll be just another freshman, unless the Dems decide to elevate their status.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:03:56am |
re: #801 unrealizedviewpoint
I suspect this topic of discussion need be postponed somewhat longer.
There are problems with one side unilaterally sitting back and allowing the other side's actions to go unaddressed. The left is specifically and deliberately trying to use Kennedy's name, death, prestige, etc. to drum up the flagging support for their health care. Should that effort go unrebutted?
As was pointed out upthread, there's a difference between vulgar "woo-hoo, good riddance!" sorts of comments and factually-based criticisms of the man's career and life ...and this should also apply to the way in which his death is being played and used.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:04:30am |
re: #810 John Neverbend
I don't know if this will work with a largely US audience, but here goes.
What's a Welsh letter? A French letter with a leak in it.
(Not sure if I have to write leak or leek, but you get the point).
Heh - I do get the point - and it should, of course, have been 'leek'!
(Mind - I do love leeks: fabulous vegetable, in soups, stews, and especially on its own!)
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scottishbuzzsaw Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:05:33am |
re: #810 John Neverbend
I don't know if this will work with a largely US audience, but here goes.
What's a Welsh letter? A French letter with a leak in it.
*chortle* It works.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:05:35am |
re: #805 Spenser (with an S)
My heart will break a little the day my kids don't think I'm the funniest guy they've ever seen. I kill with the under-10 crowd.
Get over it right now. You will not only be sincerely "un-funny". You will be "un-cool" and "un-everything else you want to be" to them... until they're about 30.
Then, it's all good again.
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vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:05:55am |
And now, completely off topic:
I'm not sure Parallels 4 runs that great under Snow Leopard. I've been sitting here for ten minutes waiting for Outlook to open up. This is not boding well.
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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:06:19am |
re: #813 yma o hyd
(Mind - I do love leeks: fabulous vegetable, in soups, stews, and especially on its own!)
Much as I'd love to meet you someday, I'm glad we're conversing on the web today where I can keep my distance!
/
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vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:06:22am |
re: #815 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Get over it right now. You will not only be sincerely "un-funny". You will be "un-cool" and "un-everything else you want to be" to them... until they're about 30.
Then, it's all good again.
Eh, I lucked out. My daughter thinks I'm okay, and she's not 25 yet.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:06:25am |
re: #811 Ward Cleaver
They'll be just another freshman, unless the Dems decide to elevate their status.
So do the upperclassmen haze the freshman? Does Hatch get to stuff Franken into a locker, or hang him up by his underwear in the Senate gym locker room/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:06:45am |
re: #818 vxbush
Eh, I lucked out. My daughter thinks I'm okay, and she's not 25 yet.
You must still be giving her money.
/
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:06:54am |
re: #819 Creeping Eruption
So do the upperclassmen haze the freshman? Does Hatch get to stuff Franken into a locker, or hang him up by his
underweardiapers in the Senate gym locker room/
FTFY
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Flyers1974 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:07:13am |
re: #704 WinterCat
I don't think it is hard to get at his true feelings at all. You just have to listen to the man. And, of course, we all see the world through the prism of our own experiences. It is our bend to positive or negative that really defines our world view.
Looking Obama's personal history, he has not gone without. In fact, he has personally benefited from a nation that helps the poorest of us all. He education, his experiences are not of a poor man (black, white, or whatever). He has lead a largely privileged life. Far more than my life, I can assure you. Yet, he sees America as a country for which he needs to apologize to the world. I see it as a place where it is up to me to make my success in the world.
Do people suffer here? Please show me anywhere in the world where they do not suffer. I submit that we suffer far less than our fellow men anywhere else in the world.
Maybe I'm too cynical. I believe that almost everything any modern president says (or senator or representitive for that matter) is carefully calculated for some political objective. Nothing is said before being first run by advisors, lawyers, etc... . The personal doesn't come into the equation. As far as his apologizing, people can and do debate its effectiveness, but I think those apologies have absolutely nothing to do with his personal feelings, but are instead a political tactic (liberal tactic as it may be) to change in conjunction with other methods, the image of the US among the masses in other countries. And I think reasonable people can believe that if such a change in image were to occur, it could possibly provide foreign policy dividends. Personally, I wouldn't bet a lot of money on this working, but again, I think there is a rationale basis for this and that it is a foreign policy tactic, not an illustration of his personal desire to apologize.
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vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:07:31am |
re: #820 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You must still be giving her money.
/
Heh. Better; I give her chocolate.
| 824 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:07:31am |
re: #29 pat
Whoa. Naomi Wolf: The Veil and Burgua As Symbols Of Modern Feminism.
[Link: www.smh.com.au...]Another Liberal hits the intellectual skids. Like Medina earlier, when denial becomes acceptance. The Stockholm Captivity of Liberalism. Fear of Islam has turned into an embrace. lol
Who knew that the only new-wave feminist I'd be able to stand ten years later would be Elizabeth Wurtzel?
| 825 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:07:54am |
re: #798 EmmmieG
I spent years trying to find a toy that would amuse my babies for hours.
I finally found something that would amuse them for hours.
Me.
I once taught some friends' two-year old how to blow a "raspberry". He thought it was the most hysterically funny thing he'd ever seen, apparently. And then, of course, he "raspberried" his parents enthusiastically for the next several weeks, at every opportunity. Boy, did they love me for that!
| 826 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:08:05am |
re: #806 FrogMarch
In other words - sadly, the goal of democrats and their unholy alliance with corrupt inefficient unions is to kill-off non-union enterprise.
| 827 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:09:12am |
re: #826 FrogMarch
In other words - sadly, the goal of democrats and their unholy alliance with corrupt inefficient unions is to kill-off non-union enterprise.
That's because non-union workers don't pay an automatic tithe out of their salaries to the Democrats -- which is what union dues effectively are.
| 828 |
srb1976 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:09:22am |
Yay! following up the chips ahoy with some "boonana" (her word...not mine)
| 829 |
yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:09:28am |
re: #817 Spenser (with an S)
Much as I'd love to meet you someday, I'm glad we're conversing on the web today where I can keep my distance!
/
Aww ...
Onions, and especially garlic, are far far worse ...!
| 830 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:09:48am |
re: #825 Occasional Reader
OR...continued...
Then when he turned five, I got the kid a drum set.
Next? A power drill...
| 831 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:09:52am |
re: #829 yma o hyd
Aww ...
Onions, and especially garlic, are far far worse ...!
Don't be dissin' garlic.
| 832 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:10:41am |
Abusive anti AGW loon of the day... And people wonder why I get so angry here. I have toned down some of the frustration of my initial response, and once again bring this to demonstrate the presumption of knowing science and getting silly about it, that goes on in the loon camp.
The loon melted ice on plates in his house to "prove that the poles can't melt in 100-150 years.
Repost:
And you have yet to falsify a single fucking calculation in my conclusive mathematical demonstration that your ten-meter catastrophic Noahide Flood within the century scenario is more completely crammed with bullshit than a buttplugged Baal, so don't pretend that you have.
Your calculation assumes that ice at the poles melts at a constant rate at all times. Therefore it is wrong. The poles do not melt at a constant rate. They also refreeze with the seasons and are driven to melt by multiple forcings with feedbacks.
Therefore your "conclusive mathematics" is only conclusive to a pompous moron like you. You are wrong because you are using the wrong math to compare the wrong system with reality. Simply loudly shouting that 2+2=17 and then yelling that this is conclusive does not for good mathematics make.
As to your "experiment."
All you had was ice melting by convection. There is a lot more than just convection in the real system.
What did you use for solar forcing (the sun is the ultimate driver in the real system)? Nothing.
What did you use for the seasons? Nothing
What did you use to include the feedback from albedo loss?
Nothing.
What did you use to include the feedback from ocean saturation? Nothing
What did you use to include the feedback from trapped methane and CO2 from melting the ice? Nothing.
What did you use to include the feedback from increased industrial output?
Nothing.
What did you use to include the feedback from changing cloud/weather patterns? Nothing.
Did you account for geography? No.
Did you account for currents in air and ocean? No.
Did you account for the fact that the real ice system breaks up in complicated and punctuated ways. No.
You then go on to claim that the Earth is cooling. This is not true and it has been debunked many times here.
| 833 |
scottishbuzzsaw Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:10:43am |
re: #825 Occasional Reader
I once taught some friends' two-year old how to blow a "raspberry". He thought it was the most hysterically funny thing he'd ever seen, apparently. And then, of course, he "raspberried" his parents enthusiastically for the next several weeks, at every opportunity. Boy, did they love me for that!
My eldest sister disowned me when my nephew was doing his auntie-taught raspberry with beets in his mouth...she had red spots on her face for some time.
| 834 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:11:18am |
re: #830 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
OR...continued...
Then when he turned five, I got the kid a drum set.
Next? A power drill...
I've always thought that boat horns also made excellent gifts for toddlers. Well... for other peoples' toddlers.
| 835 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:12:01am |
re: #826 FrogMarch
In other words - sadly, the goal of democrats and their unholy alliance with corrupt inefficient unions is to kill-off non-union enterprise.
Union vote prompts Mercury Marine to move
So how's that whole Union protecting jobs thing working out for you guys?
| 836 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:12:09am |
re: #832 LudwigVanQuixote
Gosh, you must hate it here.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:12:11am |
re: #827 JamesTKirk
That's because non-union workers don't pay an automatic tithe out of their salaries to the Democrats -- which is what union dues effectively are.
It's not paid directly to democrats, but it goes to the union coffers, which then gives it to democrats. so yes.
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yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:12:21am |
re: #831 JamesTKirk
Don't be dissin' garlic.
Not even in gentle retaliation for our national vegetable? Which even gets to be worn on the berets of our Welsh regiments?
| 839 |
Desert Dog Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:12:42am |
re: #834 Occasional Reader
I've always thought that boat horns also made excellent gifts for toddlers. Well... for other peoples' toddlers.
Drum kits and bugles are good gifts for out of state friends and relatives as well.
| 841 |
srb1976 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:12:54am |
re: #834 Occasional Reader
I've always thought that boat horns also made excellent gifts for toddlers. Well... for other peoples' toddlers.
We beat our family to the punch with Little Man...we got him a drum set over a year ago...easier to set the rules that way...
| 842 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:13:00am |
| 844 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:13:47am |
re: #824 SanFranciscoZionist
Who knew that the only new-wave feminist I'd be able to stand ten years later would be Elizabeth Wurtzel?
I so ways that's not a surprise. Wurtzel has made efforts to connect with her Jewish identity. Efforts such as those often lead to the realization that liberty is precious and must be defended, because if it dies Jews tend to be first on the scapegoat list.
(I am not Jewish, though several of my friends and co-workers over the years have been.)
| 845 |
Desert Dog Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:14:00am |
| 846 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:14:16am |
I am trying to figure out how I managed to respond to those two posts, and exactly how coprolite connects to Unions. I'm sure there's a cosmic connection in there somewhere.
| 847 |
yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:14:19am |
| 848 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:14:25am |
re: #832 LudwigVanQuixote
Abusive anti AGW loon of the day... And people wonder why I get so angry here. I have toned down some of the frustration of my initial response, and once again bring this to demonstrate the presumption of knowing science and getting silly about it, that goes on in the loon camp.
The loon melted ice on plates in his house to "prove that the poles can't melt in 100-150 years.
Repost:
Your calculation assumes that ice at the poles melts at a constant rate at all times. Therefore it is wrong. The poles do not melt at a constant rate. They also refreeze with the seasons and are driven to melt by multiple forcings with feedbacks.
Therefore your "conclusive mathematics" is only conclusive to a pompous moron like you. You are wrong because you are using the wrong math to compare the wrong system with reality. Simply loudly shouting that 2+2=17 and then yelling that this is conclusive does not for good mathematics make.
As to your "experiment."
All you had was ice melting by convection. There is a lot more than just convection in the real system.
What did you use for solar forcing (the sun is the ultimate driver in the real system)? Nothing.
What did you use for the seasons? Nothing
What did you use to include the feedback from albedo loss?
Nothing.What did you use to include the feedback from ocean saturation? Nothing
What did you use to include the feedback from trapped methane and CO2 from melting the ice? Nothing.
What did you use to include the feedback from increased industrial output?
Nothing.What did you use to include the feedback from changing cloud/weather patterns? Nothing.
Did you account for geography? No.
Did you account for currents in air and ocean? No.
Did you account for the fact that the real ice system breaks up in complicated and punctuated ways. No.
You then go on to claim that the Earth is cooling. This is not true and it has been debunked many times here.
Wow.
| 849 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:14:47am |
re: #832 LudwigVanQuixote
You really need to get a hobby!
stamp collecting is nice!
basket weaving
collecting belly button lint!
/
| 850 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:15:07am |
Egads. Why does XP have to slow down to an absolute crawl if you don't have updates installed? It's the stupidest thing.
| 851 |
FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:15:08am |
re: #835 Creeping Eruption
Union vote prompts Mercury Marine to move
So how's that whole Union protecting jobs thing working out for you guys?
Unions used to help workers. Now - they are a joke.
from your link: (talk about greedy!)
The union representing Mercury Marine Inc. employees has called for a new round of labor negotiations with the company, rather than a second vote this weekend on a proposed contract.
Last Sunday, union members turned down a seven-year contract proposal that would have resulted in a wage freeze, a 30% pay cut for new hires and employees called back to work from layoff, and increased health-care costs.
Union officials said the proposal was rejected by a wide margin. As a result of the vote, company officials have said they're moving hundreds of manufacturing jobs to a non-union plant in Stillwater, Okla.
GOOD!
| 852 |
jcm Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:15:12am |
re: #825 Occasional Reader
I once taught some friends' two-year old how to blow a "raspberry". He thought it was the most hysterically funny thing he'd ever seen, apparently. And then, of course, he "raspberried" his parents enthusiastically for the next several weeks, at every opportunity. Boy, did they love me for that!
I taught our 10 mo old foster girl to raspberry, she'd fuss during diaper change so I'd say "Oh, phhhbbbttt!" she'd start giggling and of course imitate.
She's a very engaging and outgoing type, so I carry her around and she smiles at everyone, when they respond and say hi or wave what does she do, "PHHBBBTTT" at them, course with a baby it's cute as heck, and people crack up.
| 853 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:15:13am |
re: #843 vxbush
I take it you wanted him to leave in various places throughout the kitchen?
She has five boys. She's too tough to freak out over a little thing like that.
| 854 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:15:13am |
re: #834 Occasional Reader
I've always thought that boat horns also made excellent gifts for toddlers. Well... for other peoples' toddlers.
There's a lot of passive-aggressiveness applied to the purchase of children's toys. Parents do not generally (well, not after learning their lesson the first time) buy loud and obnoxious toys for their children. Those toys are usually bought by gloating "wait until you have kids someday!" grandparents, or other friends and relatives ... often in revenge for the loud toys their children got. My wife and her sister each buy obnoxious toys for their nephews, but not their own childen.
| 855 |
pat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:15:13am |
Hmmm. Obama down a point since yesterday. At 45%. Remember the headlines when Bush went under 50%? It seemed important to the MSM then.
| 856 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:15:14am |
re: #836 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gosh, you must hate it here.
No, I have a lot of friends here that I really enjoy talking to. I do however, get fed up with the crazy.
As to the AGW stuff, people like this bring their "science" to the table, and then those who are reasonable, but still unconvinced, get to see the level of scientific sophistication if the denier side.
It is my hope that this will get them to look at the real science.
| 857 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:16:26am |
re: #851 FrogMarch
GOOD!
The Union just realized a little too late that it takes two to play chicken.
| 858 |
Desert Dog Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:16:46am |
re: #852 jcm
I taught our 10 mo old foster girl to raspberry, she'd fuss during diaper change so I'd say "Oh, phhhbbbttt!" she'd start giggling and of course imitate.
She's a very engaging and outgoing type, so I carry her around and she smiles at everyone, when they respond and say hi or wave what does she do, "PHHBBBTTT" at them, course with a baby it's cute as heck, and people crack up.
My nephew taught my older two sons how to make fart noises under their arms. We were driving to Tucson that day. For 2 hours, we heard nothing but fart noises and giggling...I miss those days! My older ones are just about out of the house now.
| 859 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:16:51am |
re: #855 pat
Hmmm. Obama down a point since yesterday. At 45%. Remember the headlines when Bush went under 50%? It seemed important to the MSM then.
And yet the MSM never got around to telling us that the Democratic Congress or the MSM itself had even lower approval records than Bush did. How odd, that.
| 860 |
unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:16:55am |
re: #855 pat
Hmmm. Obama down a point since yesterday. At 45%. Remember the headlines when Bush went under 50%? It seemed important to the MSM then.
After is levels at around 35, then goes up 3 to 38, you'll hear all about it.
| 861 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:16:57am |
re: #856 LudwigVanQuixote
Ludwig... I think about the friends I have at LGF quite often.
But, I don't "live" with it. C'mon. You'll have a stroke!
| 862 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:16:59am |
re: #844 Dark_Falcon
In some ways that's not a surprise. Wurtzel has made efforts to connect with her Jewish identity. Efforts such as those often lead to the realization that liberty is precious and must be defended, because if it dies Jews tend to be first on the scapegoat list.
(I am not Jewish, though several of my friends and co-workers over the years have been.)
PIMF
| 863 |
eschew_obfuscation Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:17:01am |
re: #835 Creeping Eruption
Union vote prompts Mercury Marine to move
So how's that whole Union protecting jobs thing working out for you guys?
At least they still have somewhere to go in the States. Could've ended up in China.
| 864 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:17:44am |
re: #863 eschew_obfuscation
At least they still have somewhere to go in the States. Could've ended up in China.
New market for the Unions /
| 865 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:17:46am |
re: #836 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gosh, you must hate it here.
Insanity, doing the same thin over and over and getting the same results.
| 866 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:17:48am |
re: #861 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ludwig... I think about the friends I have at LGF quite often.
But, I don't "live" with it. C'mon. You'll have a stroke!
Oh I promise that I don't live with LGF. I actually do have a life and a job - speaking of which... I hope you all have a great day.
| 868 |
unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:18:39am |
re: #861 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ludwig... I think about the friends I have at LGF quite often.
I've never had an LGF dream.
| 869 |
WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:18:58am |
re: #822 Flyers1974
Maybe I'm too cynical. I believe that almost everything any modern president says (or senator or representitive for that matter) is carefully calculated for some political objective. Nothing is said before being first run by advisors, lawyers, etc... . The personal doesn't come into the equation. As far as his apologizing, people can and do debate its effectiveness, but I think those apologies have absolutely nothing to do with his personal feelings, but are instead a political tactic (liberal tactic as it may be) to change in conjunction with other methods, the image of the US among the masses in other countries. And I think reasonable people can believe that if such a change in image were to occur, it could possibly provide foreign policy dividends. Personally, I wouldn't bet a lot of money on this working, but again, I think there is a rationale basis for this and that it is a foreign policy tactic, not an illustration of his personal desire to apologize.
I agree, most of what is said is run through the filter of many advisers. But there are those candid moments, when not speaking from the teleprompter that shed light on Obama. But are you saying that you believe Obama thinks differently from what he says and does?
I do agree with your point that you don't see his strategy of apologizing to the world working for him. There will inevitably be some shifting in perception of the US in foreign eyes as a result of his words, no doubt. But the apologies may not yield the political fruit that Obama wishes for.
| 870 |
John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:19:01am |
re: #813 yma o hyd
"I do believe your majesty takes no scorn to wear the leek upon Saint Tavy's day." Great scene.
| 871 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:19:37am |
re: #865 Walter L. Newton
Insanity, doing the same thing over and over and getting the same results.
PIYF (but updinged)
| 872 |
debutaunt Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:20:24am |
re: #838 yma o hyd
Not even in gentle retaliation for our national vegetable? Which even gets to be worn on the berets of our Welsh regiments?
It's food AND a tassel!
| 873 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:20:35am |
| 874 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:20:51am |
| 875 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:21:00am |
re: #872 debutaunt
It's food AND a tassel!
Whoa. Talk about a multi-purpose food. And here we thought artists were weird for smearing chocolate and butter on their bodies for pictures.
| 876 |
jcm Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:21:02am |
re: #858 Desert Dog
My nephew taught my older two sons how to make fart noises under their arms. We were driving to Tucson that day. For 2 hours, we heard nothing but fart noises and giggling...I miss those days! My older ones are just about out of the house now.
Right now with the boys, the height of hilarity is to say "Poo-poo head."
They're going on 5 and going on 6.
| 877 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:21:04am |
re: #835 Creeping Eruption
Union vote prompts Mercury Marine to move
So how's that whole Union protecting jobs thing working out for you guys?
The Mercury Marine plant in Stillwater, Oklahoma is where the engines (twin-cam 32-valve LT5 V8) for the '80s Corvette ZR-1 were hand-built.
| 878 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:22:01am |
Ahhh. Brief recess and lunch for Dad between home-school lessons.
Looked at Ediacaran fauna a bit this morning in our discussion of the Proterozoic Eon. Then we watched a fun animation of continental drift.
| 879 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:22:03am |
| 880 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:22:14am |
re: #868 unrealizedviewpoint
4,000 Lizards in Blackburn Lancashire? Oh boy.
| 881 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:22:31am |
re: #877 Ward Cleaver
The Mercury Marine plant in Stillwater, Oklahoma is where the engines (twin-cam 32-valve LT5 V8) for the '80s Corvette ZR-1 were hand-built.
Looks like they will be building a lot more there now thanks to the union
| 882 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:22:41am |
re: #879 LudwigVanQuixote
Decaffeinated coffee is a heresy!
Double espressos all day!
Is ceiling plaster hard to wash out of your hair?
| 883 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:22:57am |
re: #879 LudwigVanQuixote
Decaffeinated coffee is a heresy!
Double espressos all day!
Ah, a true scientist. Turns coffee into scientific papers. (For mathematicians, we turn coffee into theorems. Erdos knew well.)
| 884 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:23:28am |
re: #878 Lucius Septimius
Ahhh. Brief recess and lunch for Dad between home-school lessons.
Looked at Ediacaran fauna a bit this morning in our discussion of the Proterozoic Eon. Then we watched a fun animation of continental drift.
/So who drives them to school if you are teaching at home?
| 885 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:23:52am |
re: #880 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
4,000 Lizards in Blackburn Lancashire? Oh boy.
Do you know how many it takes to fill the Albert Hall?
| 886 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:24:01am |
re: #879 LudwigVanQuixote
Saw a cartoon once, waiter is offering coffee to a customer; customer looks at him and says, "Decaf? Why, I ought to beat the hell out of you."
| 887 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:24:02am |
re: #835 Creeping Eruption
Union vote prompts Mercury Marine to move
So how's that whole Union protecting jobs thing working out for you guys?
The unions killed Outboard Marine Corporation -- what's left got bought out by Bombadier up in Canada. If they kill Mercury then that will pretty much be the end of the American outboard industry.
Of course, that will make the Watermelons happy.
| 888 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:24:40am |
re: #884 Creeping Eruption
/So who drives them to school if you are teaching at home?
I'm mean. I make them walk.
| 890 |
Gretchen Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:24:47am |
President to Address Nation's School Children
Aren't the teacher's unions indoctrinating the kids enough?
Maybe he see this as an opportunity to instruct the kids what email address to use if their parents or other adults are guilty of spreading fishy information about Dear Leader.
Can you imagine if Bush had pulled a stunt like this? Not that many teachers would have turned the TV on anyway.
| 891 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:24:59am |
re: #880 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
4,000 Lizards in Blackburn Lancashire? Oh boy.
Now we know how many Lizards it takes to fill the Albert Hall!
| 892 |
jcm Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:25:14am |
re: #877 Ward Cleaver
The Mercury Marine plant in Stillwater, Oklahoma is where the engines (twin-cam 32-valve LT5 V8) for the '80s Corvette ZR-1 were hand-built.
A buddy who is a State Trooper had that engine in his Caprice Classic cruiser. It was an awesome pursuit vehicle (140mph is quite the ride). He just about cried when they retired that car and gave him a Crown Vic.
| 893 |
pat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:25:33am |
Zogby has Obama's approvals at 42%. Now that is awful.
| 894 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:25:46am |
| 895 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:25:54am |
re: #890 Gretchen
President to Address Nation's School Children
Aren't the teacher's unions indoctrinating the kids enough?
Maybe he see this as an opportunity to instruct the kids what email address to use if their parents or other adults are guilty of spreading fishy information about Dear Leader.
Can you imagine if Bush had pulled a stunt like this? Not that many teachers would have turned the TV on anyway.
I know one person's kids who aren't getting this sort of indoctrination.
As for Bush, don't you remember -- on 9/11 he was at a grade school reading to students. That was all part of his cover, doncha know.
| 896 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:25:54am |
re: #869 WinterCat
I agree, most of what is said is run through the filter of many advisers. . . .
Just would like to insert a point here that might be of interest:
Any elected official who makes an official statement that has NOT gone through the filter of many advisors and legal experts is just asking for major trouble.
I worked for a governmental agency (not as an elected official), and every official statement or memo we issued went through layers of review before being issued, and thank goodness for it. I can't tell you how easy it is to say something you don't mean to say.
| 897 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:25:55am |
re: #882 EmmmieG
Is ceiling plaster hard to wash out of your hair?
a trip to Best Buy for a new monitor is in my immediate future thanks to you, missy!
| 898 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:25:56am |
re: #883 vxbush
Ah, a true scientist. Turns coffee into scientific papers. (For mathematicians, we turn coffee into theorems. Erdos knew well.)
Absolutely! Coffee is to science and mathematics (I also have a math degree) what melange is to Dune.
Oppie drank four pots a day. Al was never far from a cup. I can not prove it, but I strongly suspect that coffee makes us smarter.
| 899 |
WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:26:01am |
re: #824 SanFranciscoZionist
Who knew that the only new-wave feminist I'd be able to stand ten years later would be Elizabeth Wurtzel?
A quote from the Naomi Wolf article cited above.
Choice is everything.
And that is the point. Western women have the choice to cover up with a regular shirt, skirt, pants, whatever. There is no need to shroud women in burkas. Women in countries with oppressive Islamic ideologies do not have such a choice. That is the problem. Naomi Wolf is really being ridiculous here.
| 900 |
yma o hyd Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:26:22am |
Time to feed that pocket house wolf of mine, who has already repaired to the kitchen!
BIAB
| 901 |
jcm Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:26:24am |
re: #886 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw a cartoon once, waiter is offering coffee to a customer; customer looks at him and says, "Decaf? Why, I ought to beat the hell out of you."
| 902 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:26:44am |
re: #894 OldLineTexan
Uphill. BOTH ways. In the snow.
/
No snow here -- just 99% humidity. They have to swim.
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jcm Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:27:19am |
re: #898 LudwigVanQuixote
Absolutely! Coffee is to science and mathematics (I also have a math degree) what melange is to Dune.
Oppie drank four pots a day. Al was never far from a cup. I can not prove it, but I strongly suspect that coffee makes us smarter.
Engineer - a device into which you pour coffee to obtain results.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:27:32am |
re: #896 reine.de.tout
Just would like to insert a point here that might be of interest:
Any elected official who makes an official statement that has NOT gone through the filter of many advisors and legal experts is just asking for major trouble.
I worked for a governmental agency (not as an elected official), and every official statement or memo we issued went through layers of review before being issued, and thank goodness for it. I can't tell you how easy it is to say something you don't mean to say.
Or to say something you don't wish to be heard. "Of course we're going to redistribute wealth..."
| 906 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:27:37am |
re: #898 LudwigVanQuixote
Nope, you just work faster. And make mistakes at speed. :)
| 907 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:28:08am |
re: #899 WinterCat
Isn't Naomi Wolf the one who complained about Harold Bloom trying to get into her pants when she was a student?
| 908 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:28:17am |
re: #898 LudwigVanQuixote
Absolutely! Coffee is to science and mathematics (I also have a math degree) what melange is to Dune.
Oppie drank four pots a day. Al was never far from a cup. I can not prove it, but I strongly suspect that coffee makes us smarter.
And even in grad school, I couldn't stand coffee. I have to make do with other forms of caffeine. Of course, one of the programmers I knew drank up to six cups of espresso a day. Being Irish, he already spoke a mile a minute. After four cups, you couldn't understand him anymore.
| 909 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:28:27am |
re: #897 sattv4u2
a trip to Best Buy for a new monitor is in my immediate future thanks to you, missy!
Charles ought to run ads for Best Buy or at least get paid by them. They make a lot of money replacing gear ruined by laughter spews.
/kidding
| 910 |
right_wing2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:28:40am |
re: #879 LudwigVanQuixote
Even better- chocolate covered espresso beans. Why drink coffee all watered down when you can eat it straight?
| 911 |
unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:28:45am |
re: #890 Gretchen
Can you imagine if Bush had pulled a stunt like this? Not that many teachers would have turned the TV on anyway.
I see no problem. Bush should have addressed the students.
| 912 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:28:48am |
re: #898 LudwigVanQuixote
Absolutely! Coffee is to science and mathematics (I also have a math degree) what melange is to Dune.
Oppie drank four pots a day. Al was never far from a cup. I can not prove it, but I strongly suspect that coffee makes us smarter.
It does harden the bladder.
If it made one smarter, the last aerospace giant I worked for would have been comprised entirely of geniuses*. Coffee there was made in 200-cup urns.
/*such was not the case
| 913 |
WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:29:16am |
re: #896 reine.de.tout
Just would like to insert a point here that might be of interest:
Any elected official who makes an official statement that has NOT gone through the filter of many advisors and legal experts is just asking for major trouble.
I worked for a governmental agency (not as an elected official), and every official statement or memo we issued went through layers of review before being issued, and thank goodness for it. I can't tell you how easy it is to say something you don't mean to say.
And that makes sense. It is hard enough to write a post here and be clear. But I think that politicians do make unofficial statements off the cuff all the time and that is really where you get some insights into their true character and ideas.
| 914 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:29:17am |
re: #898 LudwigVanQuixote
Absolutely! Coffee is to science and mathematics (I also have a math degree) what melange is to Dune.
Oppie drank four pots a day. Al was never far from a cup. I can not prove it, but I strongly suspect that coffee makes us smarter.
Increase your brain power with coffee – a natural and effective stimulant.
| 915 |
LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:29:30am |
re: #859 JamesTKirk
And yet the MSM never got around to telling us that the Democratic Congress or the MSM itself had even lower approval records than Bush did. How odd, that.
An honest oversight...
One that they've been making for fucking years of course, but who doesn't make mistakes.
/
| 916 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:29:30am |
re: #898 LudwigVanQuixote
Absolutely! Coffee is to science and mathematics (I also have a math degree) what melange is to Dune.
"It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. By the beans of Java my thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a message, the message is a warning. Caffeine sets my mind in motion."
| 917 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:30:21am |
re: #913 WinterCat
And that makes sense. It is hard enough to write a post here and be clear. But I think that politicians do make unofficial statements off the cuff all the time and that is really where you get some insights into their true character and ideas.
Yes,they do make off-the-cuff statements, and yes, one can get insight ito their true character and ideas, and if you notice, that is also the statement that will give the the greatest headaches afterward.
| 919 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:31:27am |
re: #886 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw a cartoon once, waiter is offering coffee to a customer; customer looks at him and says, "Decaf? Why, I ought to beat the hell out of you."
Back in the day, when it was becoming clear that I was going to work for my advisor in graduate school. He surprised me with his coffee mastery. We got to talking about coffee, and I thought I would impress him with my knowledge of different beans.
Kona, Jamaican Blue Mountain, Ipenema Bourbon, Tanzanian Pea Berry etc..
He was mildly impressed.
He then asked me how I go about roasting my beans. I was shocked...
Then He showed me the coffee roaster that he had built to his own specifications (that he kept in the room next door) and began explaining the chemistry of coffee beans at different temperatures and the science behind the roasting process.
Yes the man buys his beans green and roasts them himself.
I got down on my knees, and said:
"Master, you must teach me!"
| 920 |
Irish Rose Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:32:09am |
OT, but I wonder if the good folks over at Fox and Corkum are aware that the haters over at Deuce altered a piece of their work, and are violating their copyright?
| 921 |
Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:32:13am |
It seems to me we have no very clear war aims in Afghanistan, which is never a good position to be in.Are we "nation-building"? With U.S. commanders talking about ending Afghanistan's "culture of poverty," it sounds like it. Yet, even assuming you could build a nation in any meaningful sense of the word on Afghan soil, such a nation would be profoundly uncongenial to us.
Are we there just to quarantine al-Qaeda in their Pakistani redoubts and whack any bad guys who wander in range? That might be worthwhile, but is a tough sell to NATO forces who (excepting Brits, Canucks, and a couple of others) operate under ludicrously constrained rules of engagement. So the "nation-building" facade is necessary to square it with the multilateral types.
| 922 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:32:37am |
re: #904 jcm
Engineer - a device into which you pour coffee to obtain results.
I once saw a techie person on the sidewalk with a hand made sign. It said:
"Will solve complicated differential equations for coffee."
| 923 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:32:38am |
re: #919 LudwigVanQuixote
Does anyone remember those old hot-air popcorn poppers that they used to make in the cold, dark days before microwave popcorn?
You could use those to roast coffee beans, too.
| 924 |
WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:32:41am |
re: #907 Lucius Septimius
Isn't Naomi Wolf the one who complained about Harold Bloom trying to get into her pants when she was a student?
Yes.
| 925 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:32:53am |
re: #918 John Neverbend
Who is Al?
Einstien. Because Ludwig is a "scientist", he's on a familiar basis with Albert~!
| 926 |
Gretchen Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:33:01am |
re: #895 Lucius Septimius
I'm wondering if the Republicans get a rebuttal after his address to America's school children.
His approval number are tanking so fast he's reaching out to Americans whose brains haven't fully formed* in a last ditch effort to save himself.
* Coincidentally this is his best the demographic.
| 927 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:33:18am |
| 928 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:33:41am |
re: #925 sattv4u2
Einstien. Because Ludwig is a "scientist", he's on a familiar basis with Albert~!
Which isn't easy, given Albert Einstein's current condition.
/
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:33:52am |
re: #922 LudwigVanQuixote
I once saw a techie person on the sidewalk with a hand made sign. It said:
"Will solve complicated differential equations for coffee."
Ah, yes, differential equations (or "Diffy-Q" as we used to call that class). One of the many things I had to study and master in college, and then never used again.
| 930 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:34:17am |
re: #920 Irish Rose
OT, but I wonder if the good folks over at Fox and Corkum are aware that the haters over at Deuce altered a piece of their work, and are violating their copyright?
Rose, I saw that and wondered the same thing.
And on top of that, they didn't even have particularly flattering things to say about cox & forkum.
| 931 |
WinterCat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:34:23am |
re: #917 reine.de.tout
Yes,they do make off-the-cuff statements, and yes, one can get insight ito their true character and ideas, and if you notice, that is also the statement that will give the the greatest headaches afterward.
Very frequently that is true. I think that many of these folks are in quite over their heads.
| 932 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:34:50am |
re: #931 WinterCat
Very frequently that is true. I think that many of these folks are in quite over their heads.
haha!
Oh, yes.
| 933 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:34:55am |
re: #916 JamesTKirk
"It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. By the beans of Java my thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a message, the message is a warning. Caffeine sets my mind in motion."
Kirk as a mentat... Brilliant!
I just had an image of a green slave girl turning out to be a Reverend Mother.
| 934 |
unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:35:07am |
re: #923 JamesTKirk
Does anyone remember those old hot-air popcorn poppers that they used to make in the cold, dark days before microwave popcorn?
My dog Trooper went absolutely nuts when that machine was started. He knew the popcorn would soon be all over the floor. He loved popcorn.
| 935 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:35:28am |
| 936 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:35:38am |
re: #929 JamesTKirk
Ah, yes, differential equations (or "Diffy-Q" as we used to call that class). One of the many things I had to study and master in college, and then never used again.
Well they are evil...
very evil...
Some of us though chose to embrace the darkness.
| 937 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:36:00am |
re: #933 LudwigVanQuixote
Kirk as a mentat... Brilliant!
I just had an image of a green slave girl turning out to be a Reverend Mother.
I can't take credit for that quote, unfortunately. I've seen it on buttons, bumper stickers, and t-shirts for years.
| 938 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:36:15am |
re: #935 sattv4u2
Or Ludwigs!
Didn't you just demonstrate that YOU are on a familiar basis with LVQ?
/tsk
/
| 939 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:36:55am |
re: #905 JamesTKirk
Or to say something you don't wish to be heard. "Of course we're going to redistribute wealth..."
Oh, yes - that is true too.
| 940 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:37:01am |
re: #936 LudwigVanQuixote
Well they are evil...
very evil...
Some of us though chose to embrace the darkness.
Differential equations are OK. PARTIAL differential equations, OTOH ...
;)
| 941 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:37:34am |
re: #938 OldLineTexan
Didn't you just demonstrate that YOU are on a familiar basis with LVQ?
/tsk
/
as the kids say ,.,,, BFF!
| 942 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:37:51am |
| 943 |
Kenneth Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:37:58am |
re: #899 WinterCat
Naomi Wolf has gone stark raving mad. Here she is on Alex Jones radio show:
| 944 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:38:31am |
re: #912 OldLineTexan
It does harden the bladder.
If it made one smarter, the last aerospace giant I worked for would have been comprised entirely of geniuses*. Coffee there was made in 200-cup urns.
/*such was not the case
Like I said I can't prove it...
Though aerospace engineering is hard.
An experiment might be to see what happens if you took the coffee away. Assuming that the place didn't catch fire from the rioting engineers, I wonder what the designs would look like then...
| 945 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:39:15am |
And for the pure mathematicians: Category theory. The evil incarnate.
| 946 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:39:22am |
re: #839 Desert Dog
Drum kits and bugles are good gifts for out of state friends and relatives as well.
So are toys with thousands of little pieces.
| 947 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:40:08am |
re: #944 LudwigVanQuixote
Like I said I can't prove it...
Though aerospace engineering is hard.
An experiment might be to see what happens if you took the coffee away. Assuming that the place didn't catch fire from the rioting engineers, I wonder what the designs would look like then...
Surely they would start drawing in bean roasters and grinders into the designs...
| 948 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:40:09am |
re: #940 OldLineTexan
Differential equations are OK. PARTIAL differential equations, OTOH ...
;)
Believe it or don't in some applications, that makes it easier when you exploit symmetries.
Non-linear partial diffy Q's on the other hand...
| 949 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:40:15am |
re: #944 LudwigVanQuixote
Like I said I can't prove it...
Though aerospace engineering is hard.
An experiment might be to see what happens if you took the coffee away. Assuming that the place didn't catch fire from the rioting engineers, I wonder what the designs would look like then...
Probably pencil smears trailing off the edges of F-sized drawings. But I date myself ... incomplete CAD files? It's just not the same when your forehead hits a keyboard instead of a drafting table.
/
| 950 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:40:57am |
re: #947 vxbush
Surely they would start drawing in bean roasters and grinders into the designs...
Either that or there would be a coffee black market... The person in Human Resources would become the "dealer."
| 951 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:41:18am |
re: #949 OldLineTexan
Probably pencil smears trailing off the edges of F-sized drawings. But I date myself ... incomplete CAD files? It's just not the same when your forehead hits a keyboard instead of a drafting table.
/
That was brilliant.
| 952 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:41:42am |
re: #950 LudwigVanQuixote
Either that or there would be a coffee black market... The person in Human Resources would become the "dealer."
And on the closest street corner...
"Hey, kid. Got any beans I can roast?"
| 953 |
unrealizedviewpoint Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:41:48am |
re: #926 Gretchen
I'm wondering if the Republicans get a rebuttal after his address to America's school children.
His approval number are tanking so fast he's reaching out to Americans whose brains haven't fully formed* in a last ditch effort to save himself.
* Coincidentally this is his best the demographic.
School age children can have very little to no effect on his numbers. His reaching out to children is part of his long term strategy to effect his vision of change. The next President may counter this by addressing school age children if he so chooses. But I do not see a problem here. He is the President. if he chooses to address the kids, so what. Besides, looking at the menu of classroom activities, I see no problem.
| 954 |
redstateredneck Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:42:10am |
re: #923 JamesTKirk
Does anyone remember those old hot-air popcorn poppers that they used to make in the cold, dark days before microwave popcorn?
You could use those to roast coffee beans, too.
But they weren't worth a damn for roasting a squirrel.
/the Huckster
| 955 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:42:21am |
re: #948 LudwigVanQuixote
Believe it or don't in some applications, that makes it easier when you exploit symmetries.
Non-linear partial diffy Q's on the other hand...
OK!
/
Not going to argue higher maths with vxbush around, or I may get my nouth washed out with pencil shavings again!
| 956 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:43:10am |
re: #955 OldLineTexan
OK!
/
Not going to argue higher maths with vxbush around, or I may get my nouth washed out with pencil shavings again!
I haven't had to do any DE's or PDE's since grad school. I do more statistics, which is what I wanted to work on anyway...
Nonlinear regression models. Woof.
| 957 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:44:32am |
re: #945 vxbush
And for the pure mathematicians: Category theory. The evil incarnate.
I've actually never dealt with that. Some sort of abstract algebra? What does it deal with? (Please don't just say categories).
| 958 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:44:39am |
re: #929 JamesTKirk
Ah, yes, differential equations (or "Diffy-Q" as we used to call that class). One of the many things I had to study and master in college, and then never used again.
That's because Spock does all that for you.
You must have seen the differential equations describing warp drive in the Academy.
| 959 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:45:08am |
re: #953 unrealizedviewpoint
The activities do carry an agenda -- much of the aim is to "shame" parents.
Of course it's good none of my kids would be exposed to this. My oldest one would probably walk up to him and say "hey! keep your hands off our money!"
| 960 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:45:37am |
re: #957 LudwigVanQuixote
I've actually never dealt with that. Some sort of abstract algebra? What does it deal with? (Please don't just say categories).
You take the idea of functions and abstract it to ridiculous levels. Functions, then functors, then functionals, and so on until it becomes completely useless.
| 961 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:46:43am |
re: #958 Kosh's Shadow
That's because Spock does all that for you.
Somebody must do it all for me, because I certainly don't remember how to do all of it anymore. And "category theory" isn't ringing any bells at all. (Unlike LVQ, however, I'm not masochistic enough to ask.)
| 962 |
John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:47:22am |
re: #936 LudwigVanQuixote
They come to life again in financial option theory.
| 963 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:47:33am |
re: #961 JamesTKirk
Somebody must do it all for me, because I certainly don't remember how to do all of it anymore. And "category theory" isn't ringing any bells at all. (Unlike LVQ, however, I'm not masochistic enough to ask.)
Trust me. Grad-level abstract algebra. Nasty Galois fields and worse.
| 964 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:47:41am |
re: #960 vxbush
You take the idea of functions and abstract it to ridiculous levels. Functions, then functors, then functionals, and so on until it becomes
completely uselessfuncting ridiculous.
;)
| 965 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:47:42am |
re: #960 vxbush
You take the idea of functions and abstract it to ridiculous levels. Functions, then functors, then functionals, and so on until it becomes completely useless.
I already passed the point of "completely useless" in my mathematical education before getting to category theory, apparently.
| 966 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:48:15am |
| 967 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:48:25am |
re: #963 vxbush
Trust me. Grad-level abstract algebra. Nasty Galois fields and worse.
Isn't that a French cigarette? Nasty indeed.
/
| 968 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:48:36am |
re: #960 vxbush
You take the idea of functions and abstract it to ridiculous levels. Functions, then functors, then functionals, and so on until it becomes completely useless.
Functionals are incredibly useful. We use them all the time in physics.
But I get the idea...
Ohhh... wait, that's the stuff with all of the diagram representations in order to generalize algebraic topology...
Do I remember correctly. If I am, then yes, not very useful.
| 970 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:49:44am |
| 971 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:50:06am |
re: #968 LudwigVanQuixote
Functionals are incredibly useful. We use them all the time in physics.
But I get the idea...
Ohhh... wait, that's the stuff with all of the diagram representations in order to generalize algebraic topology...
Do I remember correctly. If I am, then yes, not very useful.
Parts of it, yes. I despised topology with a vengeance because we spent all our time on simple proofs involving neighborhoods and never got to the fun diagramming. But you get to a point in category theory where you can't draw it anymore.
| 972 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:50:09am |
re: #963 vxbush
Trust me. Grad-level abstract algebra. Nasty Galois fields and worse.
Galois theory comes up a lot in Field Theories and String theories. That's actually kind of cool stuff.
| 973 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:50:53am |
must go prove that lunch exists
/later, Lizards
| 974 |
John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:50:58am |
re: #927 LudwigVanQuixote
Einstein.
Ah yes, I didn't think of him. I thought you were referring to Roker or even Franken. I couldn't figure out how they were acquainted with Robert Oppenheimer.
| 975 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:52:00am |
re: #971 vxbush
Parts of it, yes. I despised topology with a vengeance because we spent all our time on simple proofs involving neighborhoods and never got to the fun diagramming. But you get to a point in category theory where you can't draw it anymore.
Fair enough. You have piqued my curiosity. I'll go and look it up a little.
For my work, topology and geometry are the most important - things like Ratner's Theorems in unipotent flows.
| 976 |
JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:52:14am |
re: #963 vxbush
Trust me. Grad-level abstract algebra. Nasty Galois fields and worse.
Ah, there you go, then. I've had to survive on just a bachelor's degree.
| 977 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:52:25am |
re: #972 LudwigVanQuixote
Galois theory comes up a lot in Field Theories and String theories. That's actually kind of cool stuff.
Yes, well, we had to actually prove that you couldn't find all the real roots of a polynomial equation of more than degree 5, and that was a tough proof, as I recall. Way beyond most people.
| 978 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:53:26am |
re: #977 vxbush
Yes, well, we had to actually prove that you couldn't find all the real roots of a polynomial equation of more than degree 5, and that was a tough proof, as I recall. Way beyond most people.
Oh, I am not trying to get into a pissing contest I promise. I respect mathematicians.
I was just saying that the stuff crops up all over the place in particle theory.
| 979 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:54:30am |
re: #977 vxbush
Yes, well, we had to actually prove that you couldn't find all the real roots of a polynomial equation of more than degree 5, and that was a tough proof, as I recall. Way beyond most people.
And I think the biggest difference between theoretical physics and mathematics is the notion of having to calculate something vs. the notion of proving something.
I would hate to do that proof.
| 980 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:54:50am |
re: #978 LudwigVanQuixote
Oh, I am not trying to get into a pissing contest I promise. I respect mathematicians.
I was just saying that the stuff crops up all over the place in particle theory.
See, and I probably would have enjoyed that more, I think. I hated how so much of what I was studying wasn't being applied to anything I could appreciate, and yet I knew a lot of abstract math had great applications in physics. That's part of the reason I spent more time in statistics.
Although I did have fun sitting in a set theory class. Goedel's theorem didn't get reviewed, but we did mention it.
| 981 |
vxbush Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:55:26am |
re: #979 LudwigVanQuixote
And I think the biggest difference between theoretical physics and mathematics is the notion of having to calculate something vs. the notion of proving something.
I would hate to do that proof.
Exactly. My dad, the engineer, just wanted to calculate stuff or graph it. Proving it was never an interest.
| 982 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:56:56am |
re: #980 vxbush
See, and I probably would have enjoyed that more, I think. I hated how so much of what I was studying wasn't being applied to anything I could appreciate, and yet I knew a lot of abstract math had great applications in physics. That's part of the reason I spent more time in statistics.
Although I did have fun sitting in a set theory class. Goedel's theorem didn't get reviewed, but we did mention it.
The incompleteness theorem.. combine that with a discussion of the axiom of choice and you can be up all night finding yourself in the realm of theology.
It is great stuff.
| 983 |
John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 9:58:16am |
re: #977 vxbush
Way beyond most people.
I had enough trouble proving to my daughter that √2 is not rational, although in my defence, I had just drunk a reasonable quantity of Guinness.
| 984 |
John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:01:34am |
re: #979 LudwigVanQuixote
And I think the biggest difference between theoretical physics and mathematics is the notion of having to calculate something vs. the notion of proving something.
If the theoretical physics is being done by a mathematician, it may end up being more proofs. For example, if you read The Large Scale Structure of Space Time, you'll see a lot of differential geometric proofs. Mind you, Hawking was a physicist.
| 985 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:01:44am |
re: #981 vxbush
Exactly. My dad, the engineer, just wanted to calculate stuff or graph it. Proving it was never an interest.
An engineer, a physicist, and a mathematician all end up with fires starting in their offices.
The engineer finds a bucket of water, throws it on the fire, and it goes out.
The physicist finds a bucket of water, calculates exactly how much water is needed, puts that on the fire, and the fire goes out.
The mathematician find a bucket of water, says "A solution exists" and goes back to work.
| 986 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:02:16am |
re: #981 vxbush
Exactly. My dad, the engineer, just wanted to calculate stuff or graph it. Proving it was never an interest.
Well physicists are somewhere inbetween - we tend to love the math and approach it almost visually. However, well all know how physicist proofs tend to get viewed by the math world.
Then again we have different ultimate goals and it, I think, needs to be that way.
I mean to a mathematician, we tend to be like bulls in a china shop, just brushing away important details. To the physicist, those details don't represent the system we are looking at.
More than once, physics has been hung up on a detail we didn't think applied. The mathematicians correctly giggled at us.
But also, more than once, our crazy math has given the mathematicians something interesting to look at, because despite it's impossibility, the calculations from it, reflected reality.
Feynman's path integral formalism is the best example of that I know.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:03:58am |
re: #987 vxbush
Okay, have to go deal with real-world math: the bank. Later.
It was a pleasure meeting you.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:06:17am |
re: #986 LudwigVanQuixote
Feynman's path integral formalism is the best example of that I know.
Yes, it's a remarkable formalism, but I'm not sure that it contains anything that mathematicians have wanted to poke holes in. If I had to choose something of that nature, I would suggest that renormalization theory fits the bill. This infinite quantity subtracted from that other infinite quantity gives you the mass of an electron.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:07:07am |
What do people think of the GOP?
Republican Voters Say GOP Reps in Congress Still Out of Touch
Lots of interesting numbers...
Seventy-four percent (74%) of Republican voters say their party’s representatives in Congress have lost touch with GOP voters nationwide over the past several years. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 18% of GOP voters believe their elected officials have done a good job representing the base.
Most Republican voters (55%) say that the average Republican in Congress is more liberal than the average Republican voter. Twenty-four percent (24%) say the average Republican in Congress holds views about the same as the average Republican voter while just 17% think the Congressional Republicans are more conservative than GOP voters.
Republican voters overwhelmingly believe it is more important for the party to stand for what it believes in rather than trying to work with President Barack Obama. Eighty-four percent (84%) of Republicans hold that view while just 14% favor more co-operation with the President.
And...
Overall, among all voters, 51% believe it is more important for the Republican Party to stand for what it believes in than for the GOP to work with President Obama. Forty-two percent (42%) disagree.In late April, voters were basically tied on this question.
Just 24% of all voters nationwide think Democrats should pass a health care reform bill that is opposed by all Republicans in Congress. Fifty-eight percent (58%) say Democrats should change the bill to win support from "a reasonable number of Republicans."
Thirty-seven percent (37%) of all voters say the average Republican member of Congress is more liberal than the average GOP voter. Twenty-six percent (26%) believe the average GOP congressman is more conservative, and 28% say the two are about the same.
For the first time in over two years of polling, voters trust Republicans slightly more than Democrats on the handling of the issue of health care. Overall, Republicans lead Democrats in terms of voter trust on eight out of 10 key issues for the second consecutive month, and the two are tied on one issue.
Those who say economic and fiscal issues are their biggest concerns make up the majority of Republican voters, and Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, runs best among those voters if the 2012 GOP Presidential Primary in their state was held today.
Even more at the link...One of the more interesting polls I've seen in a while.
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Dreader1962 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:07:10am |
Apparently there is a checklist for teachers produced by the Department of Education suggesting what they can do to prepare their students for the President's address to students to occur on September 8.
I'm not sure what the purpose of this will be, but this stands out:
Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do something. Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do?
Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?
Could this be enlisting the students to talk to their parents about the proposed Health Care bill? Time will tell.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:07:33am |
re: #986 LudwigVanQuixote
Reminds me of when I took quantum field theory and we learned about renormalization. (For the benefit of lizards who haven't learned about this, I'll go into more detail. And if I get it wrong, realize this was around 30 years ago.)
When calculating the interactions of a particle, you get a series that diverges (goes to infinity).
However, it is possible to rearrange the terms to include three sets of terms (all infinite) - one that converges to a finite value, one that diverges to positive infinity, and one that diverges to negative infinity. Physicists subtract the latter two, and end up with a finite number.
This drives mathematicians nuts because you cannot subtract infinities and get consistent results.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:08:55am |
re: #989 John Neverbend
Yes, it's a remarkable formalism, but I'm not sure that it contains anything that mathematicians have wanted to poke holes in. If I had to choose something of that nature, I would suggest that renormalization theory fits the bill. This infinite quantity subtracted from that other infinite quantity gives you the mass of an electron.
Well the issue that mathematicians had was with the summation. But you knew that. You had to if you are talking about renormalization groups and such.
I am very pleased to meet you too.
What sort of physics do you do?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:11:07am |
re: #992 Kosh's Shadow
Reminds me of when I took quantum field theory and we learned about renormalization. (For the benefit of lizards who haven't learned about this, I'll go into more detail. And if I get it wrong, realize this was around 30 years ago.)
When calculating the interactions of a particle, you get a series that diverges (goes to infinity).
However, it is possible to rearrange the terms to include three sets of terms (all infinite) - one that converges to a finite value, one that diverges to positive infinity, and one that diverges to negative infinity. Physicists subtract the latter two, and end up with a finite number.
This drives mathematicians nuts because you cannot subtract infinities and get consistent results.
Damn Kosh.. Look at the really big brain on the vorlon! I am seriously impressed! No sarcasm.
Ok, lets get it out of our systems then QCD is non-abelian! It makes us cranky!
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:11:36am |
re: #992 Kosh's Shadow
Reminds me of when I took quantum field theory and we learned about renormalization. (For the benefit of lizards who haven't learned about this, I'll go into more detail. And if I get it wrong, realize this was around 30 years ago.)
When calculating the interactions of a particle, you get a series that diverges (goes to infinity).
However, it is possible to rearrange the terms to include three sets of terms (all infinite) - one that converges to a finite value, one that diverges to positive infinity, and one that diverges to negative infinity. Physicists subtract the latter two, and end up with a finite number.
This drives mathematicians nuts because you cannot subtract infinities and get consistent results.
"Which infinity? Aleph-null? Is that all?"
-Isaac Asimov
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:12:34am |
Now this is why I hang out here!
I was not expecting a thread on the continuum hypothesis.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:14:12am |
re: #996 LudwigVanQuixote
Now this is why I hang out here!
I was not expecting a thread on the continuum hypothesis.
It's a good year if I get to mention aleph-null once.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:15:08am |
(Plus it's a good thing we changed the subject. I really do not intend to cross the line vis-a-vis the Kennedys, but apparently there is a difference of opinion as to exactly where that line lays.)
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:15:31am |
re: #993 LudwigVanQuixote
I didn't know that they objected to the summation. Is it because it's a divergent series or is there another reason? I found the basic idea that summing over all trajectories (contrasted with the classical trajectory) leads to quantum mechanics to be mind blowing. Did you use Feynman and Hibbs as your initial guide? That was my formal entry point.
The quantum field theoretic renormalization that I was talking about has just been summarized in a prior e-mail by Kosh's shadow. I haven't actually "done" physics since 1984, and at that point I was a particle physicist.
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:15:42am |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:17:39am |
re: #994 LudwigVanQuixote
Damn Kosh.. Look at the really big brain on the vorlon! I am seriously impressed! No sarcasm.
Ok, lets get it out of our systems then QCD is non-abelian! It makes us cranky!
Well, I haven't done much physics in 30 years; it is somewhat of a long story but I was not that impressed with the climate in academia, in high energy physics, and I was having some trouble figuring out a lot on my own (which is how you end up on grad school), so I left with a Master's
I do teach part time at an online university; mostly "college algebra" that I learned in junior high, but occasionally an astronomy course (with no math).
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:20:57am |
re: #999 John Neverbend
I didn't know that they objected to the summation. Is it because it's a divergent series or is there another reason? I found the basic idea that summing over all trajectories (contrasted with the classical trajectory) leads to quantum mechanics to be mind blowing. Did you use Feynman and Hibbs as your initial guide? That was my formal entry point.
The quantum field theoretic renormalization that I was talking about has just been summarized in a prior e-mail by Kosh's shadow. I haven't actually "done" physics since 1984, and at that point I was a particle physicist.
About 4-5 years after I left.
It was fun being at SLAC, but they did have me doing things that would have bored a trained pigeon. "If this rate goes down, adjust these knobs until it goes back ip. And you can't do anything else, you are alone in that building (because rules say it has to be occupied), whether the experiment is running or not. And it was running somewhat less than half the time. So I was supposed to do that 8 hours and then do the programming some other time, along with wire-wrapping the custom computers they used...
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JamesTKirk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:21:16am |
re: #1001 Kosh's Shadow
Well, I haven't done much physics in 30 years; it is somewhat of a long story but I was not that impressed with the climate in academia, in high energy physics, and I was having some trouble figuring out a lot on my own (which is how you end up on grad school), so I left with a Master's
I do teach part time at an online university; mostly "college algebra" that I learned in junior high, but occasionally an astronomy course (with no math).
That's the only reason one of my friends (who took diffy-q with me) actually gets to use those skills -- he teaches them now to other students... Most of whom will either forget them from disuse, or teach them to the next generation of diffy-q teachers.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:22:01am |
re: #992 Kosh's Shadow
Reminds me of when I took quantum field theory and we learned about renormalization.
Then there's dimensional regularization, probably equally objectionable. You get an integral which diverges in 4 dimensions. So, integrate it in d dimensions where d is complex and where the integral is no longer divergent, or at least allows you to pull out a non-divergent piece plus "something nasty" like a gamma function or two. Then, analytically continue back to 4 dimensions and there's your answer. Did I get that right? I think that the co-inventor (Gerard 't Hooft) used this technique to show that the GWS theory was renormalizable, or have I got my gluons crossed?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:24:06am |
re: #999 John Neverbend
I didn't know that they objected to the summation. Is it because it's a divergent series or is there another reason? I found the basic idea that summing over all trajectories (contrasted with the classical trajectory) leads to quantum mechanics to be mind blowing. Did you use Feynman and Hibbs as your initial guide? That was my formal entry point.
The quantum field theoretic renormalization that I was talking about has just been summarized in a prior e-mail by Kosh's shadow. I haven't actually "done" physics since 1984, and at that point I was a particle physicist.
Believe me I know about renormalization. Before I got into the Chaos game I did strings.
I was referring specifically to the issue of how you take the sum of all paths D(x,t) and come up with the path integral in the first place. In physics, this leads to all sorts of analogies with Stat Mech, but we make a lot of assumptions about those paths that the math world did not think generally applied - not the least of which being the infinite potential of the vacuum. At least this was my understanding of the history of it.
As to renormalization, the idea that after subtracting infinities, you get a finite difference has always made me thrilled that it actually works.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:26:29am |
re: #1004 John Neverbend
Then there's dimensional regularization, probably equally objectionable. You get an integral which diverges in 4 dimensions. So, integrate it in d dimensions where d is complex and where the integral is no longer divergent, or at least allows you to pull out a non-divergent piece plus "something nasty" like a gamma function or two. Then, analytically continue back to 4 dimensions and there's your answer. Did I get that right? I think that the co-inventor (Gerard 't Hooft) used this technique to show that the GWS theory was renormalizable, or have I got my gluons crossed?
NO I think you are correct. Though it has been some years since I looked at straight particle theory.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:29:29am |
re: #1005 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, if it works, I say sod the mathematicians. As one of my lecturers used to say, "mathematical rigor is rigor mortis." However, I heard a more reasoned reponse from Professor Cyril Domb who told me that you needed to know mathematical rigor to know when you didn't need to use it.
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:34:32am |
re: #1002 Kosh's Shadow
Was Fred Gilman there when you were at SLAC?
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John Neverbend Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:37:11am |
re: #1001 Kosh's Shadow
Well, I haven't done much physics in 30 years; it is somewhat of a long story but I was not that impressed with the climate in academia, in high energy physics, and I was having some trouble figuring out a lot on my own (which is how you end up on grad school), so I left with a Master's
I do teach part time at an online university; mostly "college algebra" that I learned in junior high, but occasionally an astronomy course (with no math).
This is similar to my story, but I don't teach. I think I'd like to teach mathematics or even physics. How does one get into part time online teaching?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:37:22am |
re: #1007 John Neverbend
Yes, if it works, I say sod the mathematicians. As one of my lecturers used to say, "mathematical rigor is rigor mortis." However, I heard a more reasoned reponse from Professor Cyril Domb who told me that you needed to know mathematical rigor to know when you didn't need to use it.
Very well said. Like I said unthread the two approaches go hand in hand. I am also reminded of Gellmann going over to the math department, and finding out that Lie had already figured out everything he was trying to look at.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:46:25am |
re: #1008 John Neverbend
Was Fred Gilman there when you were at SLAC?
I don't know. I was actually a grad student at Brown that was working on an experiment at SLAC. I don't remember who was running that experiment now (photoproduction of charmed particles; they were backscattering the electron beam off a frequency quadrupled laser to get close to 30 GEV photons, and then looking for charmed particles produced.)
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Sep 1, 2009 10:49:43am |
re: #1009 John Neverbend
This is similar to my story, but I don't teach. I think I'd like to teach mathematics or even physics. How does one get into part time online teaching?
I applied to the big online university when I was otherwise unemployed, and it took months to get accepted, and then a course taught with a mentor. But I keep up one course at a time now, even if it is barely worth the money. But it does help pay off what I still owe from that time unemployed, and there aren't many jobs you can do while on the couch with a couple of dogs, and watching TV. (All web based, with assignments in Word.)
I blued my nic, try sending me email and I can give you more on their recruitment. And my experiences.
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Gretchen Tue, Sep 1, 2009 11:41:06am |
re: #991 Dreader1962
Apparently there is a checklist for teachers produced by the Department of Education suggesting what they can do to prepare their students for the President's address to students to occur on September 8.
I'm not sure what the purpose of this will be, but this stands out:
Could this be enlisting the students to talk to their parents about the proposed Health Care bill? Time will tell.
I will be surprised if it is a benign literacy message, not a policy speech.
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