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Another eruption of antisemitism from Turkey.

JERUSALEM, Oct 15 (Reuters) - A Turkish television drama series which depicts an Israeli soldier shooting dead a Palestinian baby, strained already tense relations on Thursday between Israel and Turkey, a strategic Muslim ally.

Previously close ties between the Jewish state and Turkey, a secular state with a Muslim population, have deteriorated since Israel’s offensive in the Palestinian Gaza Strip, which is ruled by the Islamist group Hamas.

Turkey has at the same time strengthened its relations with neighbouring Syria, where much of Hamas’ leadership is based. …

The scene, broadcast on Israel’s Channel Two television on Wednesday, showed a Palestinian father holding a baby above his head and an Israeli soldier deliberately shooting the infant.

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179 comments
1 captdiggs  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:35:52pm

Turkey has been swinging towards Islam since their last elections. It's not as secular as just 10 years ago. This is merely yet another example of the elephant in the room, ignored by the current and past administrations, Islamic intolerance for a non muslim nation in the middle east.

2 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:36:34pm

Sick, that's all I can say about this. But, didn't a French news outlet try this very same thing using a young boy?

3 jdog29  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:36:37pm

Glenn Beck is gonna have to get his game together if he wants challenge for nutcase of the day.

4 McSpiff  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:36:41pm

Any context on the station that broadcast this? Was this a mainstream/government owned thing, or is it the turkish version of the "Rush's racism" thread?

5 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:37:25pm

Disgusting.

6 John Neverbend  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:39:43pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Disgusting.

It is indeed. However, I just found this silver lining to the Turkish cloud. Apologies if it's already appeared in prior threads.

Turkey nabs 33 al-Qaeda linked suspects

7 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:40:42pm

Who lost Turkey?

THE TRUTH: Turkey's turn against Israel is best understood in the context of its evolutionary transformation from the secular, nationalist and Western-oriented ethos of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk to the dogmatic, radical, pan-Islamic and Middle Eastern attitudes of its current rulers. This is most clearly reflected in Turkey's apparent decision not to actively pursue membership in the European Union because it has given up trying to reconcile what it wants for itself with what the West wants for it.

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:42:48pm

re: #2 Bubblehead II

Sick, that's all I can say about this. But, didn't a French news outlet try this very same thing using a young boy?

At least the Turks have identified this as fiction.

/

9 jdog29  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:44:03pm

makes you wonder if these kinds of videos are shown as true to young children while teaching them to hate.

Now THAT would be a raisin' that would be extremely difficult to overcome.

10 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:44:18pm

re: #2 Bubblehead II

After some light digging, yes it did occur as I remember.

French TV Sticks By Story That Fueled Palestinian Intifada

"French state television is standing by its claim
that the broadcast is authentic. The broadcast
purportedly showed 12-year-old Mohammed
al-Durra being shot by Israeli soldiers, an event
that led to the current Palestinian intifada."

11 BlackFedora  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:46:23pm

Wow... and we think TV in America sucks.

12 middy  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:49:31pm

Well at least it didn't show him eating the baby... you have to watch the films in Palestinian nursery schools to see that.

13 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:51:20pm

Analogous to Sami Kuntar's crimes.

14 metrolibertarian  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:52:42pm

Maybe I'm naive, but how exactly does Turkey qualify as a "secular" state?

15 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:54:31pm

re: #14 metrolibertarian

Maybe I'm naive, but how exactly does Turkey qualify as a "secular" state?

Turkey is a democratic, secular, unitary, constitutional republic whose political system was established in 1923 under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, following the fall of the Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of World War I. Since then, Turkey has become increasingly integrated with the West through membership in organizations such as the Council of Europe, NATO, OECD, OSCE and the G-20 major economies. Turkey began full membership negotiations with the European Union in 2005, having been an associate member of the EEC since 1963, and having reached a customs union agreement in 1995. Meanwhile, Turkey has continued to foster close cultural, political, economic and industrial relations with Asia, particularly with the states of the Middle East and Central Asia, through membership in organizations such as the OIC and ECO. Turkey is classified as a developed country[9] by the CIA and as a regional power[10][11] by political scientists and economists worldwide.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

16 researchok  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:54:41pm

re: #10 Bubblehead II

After some light digging, yes it did occur as I remember.

French TV Sticks By Story That Fueled Palestinian Intifada

"French state television is standing by its claim
that the broadcast is authentic. The broadcast
purportedly showed 12-year-old Mohammed
al-Durra being shot by Israeli soldiers, an event
that led to the current Palestinian intifada."

Ni surprise.

The French war in Algeria ended in 1962 and it took to them to 1999 to admit there even was a war. It took even longer for them to come clean on atrocities that were committed during the war and the occupation that preceded the war.

17 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:55:05pm

re: #14 metrolibertarian

Maybe I'm naive, but how exactly does Turkey qualify as a "secular" state?

The military and educational systems for years have tried to limit and control the power of the Islamists due to the extremists.

18 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:55:23pm

re: #14 metrolibertarian

Maybe I'm naive, but how exactly does Turkey qualify as a "secular" state?

Turkey, as it stands right now, is a secular democracy, one of the very few in the Muslim world. They keep religion out of government, and have even gone to extremes to do so.

19 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:57:20pm

The Turks have been floating towards fundy ever since their EU bid started getting serious opposition from the Euro Right. Notably this opposition was highly influenced by the Serb-Armenian-Eastern Orthodox new right.

20 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:57:35pm

re: #14 metrolibertarian

Books are your friend.

21 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:57:55pm

Turkey also pulled out of military exercises with the US because Israel was involved.

22 borgcube  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:58:22pm

I think it's time to have this explained by the experts:

Youtube Video
23 metrolibertarian  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 1:59:47pm

re: #20 bratwurst

I prefer the news, and right now Turkey was the only country surveyed who believes in evolution less than we do, whose main party (AKP) is an Islamist one which has banned the sale of alcohol.

24 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:01:22pm

The Reuter's article says the close ties have deteriorated since Israel's offensive but wasn't it that relations deteriorated when Turkey elected an Islamic government? That is, isn't the article slightly biased?

25 lostlakehiker  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:01:26pm

This sort of thing isn't a swing towards Islam. Say what you will about it, one of its tenets is justice. The film presents an unjust depiction of Israeli military doctrine and practice.

One wonders if these guys realize where all this can lead? Turkey does not need to be dragged into war by a baying, ignorant mob. Wars have an ugly habit of not conforming to the scenario envisioned by the leadership at the outset.

26 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:02:09pm

re: #23 metrolibertarian

I prefer the news, and right now Turkey was the only country surveyed who believes in evolution less than we do, whose main party (AKP) is an Islamist one which has banned the sale of alcohol.

Then why did you ask your question?

27 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:03:43pm

re: #23 metrolibertarian

I prefer the news, and right now Turkey was the only country surveyed who believes in evolution less than we do, whose main party (AKP) is an Islamist one which has banned the sale of alcohol.

Then why did you ask your question?

28 Fenris  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:04:15pm

Similar happened on deviantART last January. An anti-Israel cartoon posted by a Turkish member made the front page, reserved for the most popular images of the day, with about 10,000 hits. The description under the image now links to the website of Holocaust denier Michael A. Hoffman.

Full details of the investigation here, because proper reports about sociology happen in art blogs. Some images have been removed by deviantART's administration for copyright violations, leading to some broken links.

29 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:04:24pm

The Reuter's article says the close ties have deteriorated since Israel's offensive but wasn't it that relations deteriorated when Turkey elected an Islamic government? That is, isn't the article subtley biased?

30 researchok  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:04:35pm

re: #19 Thanos

The Turks have been floating towards fundy ever since their EU bid started getting serious opposition from the Euro Right. Notably this opposition was highly influenced by the Serb-Armenian-Eastern Orthodox new right.

AND the immigration issue, fueled by well publicized resentment in Germany and elsewhere.

Couple that with the border free travel of the Schengen Agreement and the opposition to full Turkish membership in the EU was inevitable.

31 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:05:02pm

oops, forgive me for the double posting

32 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:05:20pm

Sorry for the double post, LGF went screwy there for a few minutes

33 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:05:30pm

Server hiccuped.

34 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:06:42pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sorry for the double post, LGF went screwy there for a few minutes

They made a change to The Matrix.

35 Drogheda  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:06:43pm

re: #22 borgcube

I think it's time to have this explained by the experts:

Needs no explanation. That's nobody's business but the Turks.

36 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:08:14pm

re: #34 ArchangelMichael

They made a change to The Matrix.

Still disapointed in the sequels

37 John Neverbend  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:09:24pm

re: #34 ArchangelMichael

They made a change to The Matrix.

You didn't see a black cat, by any chance?

38 John Neverbend  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:09:48pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Still disapointed in the sequels

Reloaded - good
Revolutions - bad

39 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:09:50pm

re: #14 metrolibertarian

Maybe I'm naive, but how exactly does Turkey qualify as a "secular" state?

They're trying, they're trying.

40 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:10:11pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sorry for the double post, LGF went screwy there for a few minutes

I did that with my mind.

41 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:11:39pm

re: #40 The Sanity Inspector

I did that with my mind.

There is no spoon.

42 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:11:43pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Still disapointed in the sequels

I liked the Freeway part of the 2nd one. A women on a Ducati and a woman with a 68 Firebird...

Other than that they sucked though.

43 John Neverbend  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:13:50pm

re: #42 ArchangelMichael

I liked the Freeway part of the 2nd one. A women on a Ducati and a woman with a 68 Firebird...

Other than that they sucked though.

It was a rather long scene, but Fishburne slugging it out on top of a truck was well done. I still think the orgasmic chocolate cake scene was one of the finest in the whole trilogy.

44 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:14:26pm

I retract my questioning when Israel-Turkish relations began to deteriorate. Reuters had it right.

45 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:19:58pm

Kemal Attaturk, who boldly secularized Turkey, and sacked the last Caliph, must be spinning like a centrifuge in his grave.

46 Gang of One  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:20:59pm

re: #45 Ojoe

Kemal Attaturk, who boldly secularized Turkey, and sacked the last Caliph, must be spinning like a centrifuge in his grave.

Or whirling like a dervish.

47 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:21:07pm

re: #14 metrolibertarian

Check out the story of Kemal Attaturk, you will see why.

48 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:23:14pm

There will be a military coup.

Unless the army has been sufficiently infiltrated.

49 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:23:19pm

re: #47 Ojoe

He prefers news to books.

50 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:24:32pm

TURK 182!!

51 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:26:17pm

Militants assault police compounds in Pakistan

Islamist militants launched coordinated assaults on three police compounds in Pakistan's second largest city Thursday, the latest in a wave of attacks by insurgents bringing the war to the country's heartland ahead of an expected offensive against their Afghan border sanctuary.

The dramatic escalation in violence appears to be an attempt by the Taliban- and al-Qaida-led insurgency to seize the initiative from the army and deliver a warning to the U.S.-backed civilian government: Attack us in South Waziristan and we will fight back in your cities.

It also discredits Pakistani claims that the Taliban were on the ropes after this year's military campaign in the Swat Valley and the killing of their leader, Baitullah Mehsud, in a U.S. airstrike in August.

52 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:26:49pm

re: #50 Ben Hur

TURK 182!!

Ben, get off the bridge and set the paint gun down.

53 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:27:20pm

re: #23 metrolibertarian

I prefer the news, and right now Turkey was the only country surveyed who believes in evolution less than we do, whose main party (AKP) is an Islamist one which has banned the sale of alcohol.

THIS a problem of our educational system and, ultimately, our nation's future.

54 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:30:53pm

re: #22 borgcube

To paraphrase Freud ,,

"sometimes a whacked our psuedo sexual vidoe is just a whacked out psuedo sexual video"

55 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:32:00pm

In March 1924 Attaturk dismissed the last Caliph. Plenty of resentment and bad behavior latent in that fact, and available now.

Though I think Attaturk was right.

56 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:32:02pm

re: #33 Charles

Server hiccuped.

A disturbance in the force!

57 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:32:37pm

re: #23 metrolibertarian

I prefer to find things out.

58 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:32:50pm

BBL

59 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:33:29pm

re: #56 sattv4u2

A disturbance in the force!

Glitch in the Matrix.

60 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:33:41pm

later

61 Jack Burton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:34:54pm

re: #50 Ben Hur

TURK 182!!

Zimmerman Flew, Tyler Knew!

62 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:35:55pm

re: #11 BlackFedora

heh,,, you have NO idea. The company I work for has contracts with DISH Network and Direct TV to provide "niche" channels from South America, Europe, NorthEast Africa and the Middle East to their channel lineups. We have a small monitor on each of these on a video wall. Every once in a while (read: DAILY) we see a WTF moment

63 chaimke613  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:36:27pm

re: #13 MandyManners

That is exactly the point! Theyt filmed that episode in deference to their newly found friends, Hamas, in Damascus.

Then again, the Swedes did something similar (the IDF harvests Palestinians' organs in the Aftonbladet daily) remember. Who needs truth, it's open season on the Zionist Entity!

64 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:38:26pm

BWAHAHA! I've done it! The greatest Avatar in all Lizardom and its MINE!

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:38:44pm

re: #14 metrolibertarian

Maybe I'm naive, but how exactly does Turkey qualify as a "secular" state?

Turkey has been aggressively striving after secularity for generations.

66 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:38:57pm

Perhaps when a Beslan-like crisis or a Swat Valley crisis happens in Turkey, the turks will understand why religious partys like AKP are dangerous and what happens when you battle terrorists, like Israel does.

The Russians now know how to deal with muslim insurgents. And by the way, nobody ever protested against the russian way of dealing with terrorists, even if it means killings everybody and destroying everything - just look at Grozny. But those idiots who stand silent with Russia, became strangely active when is Israel or the United States.

Perhaps the reason for that is very simple: orphan leftists (no Soviet Union anymore) anti-american, and more and more anti-semitic (disguised as anti-zionism).

67 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:40:20pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps... but mine is better!

68 Gearhead  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:40:48pm

re: #33 Charles

Server hiccuped.

I told you not to hire that ex-TMobile guy!

69 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:40:56pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All your avatars now belongs to us.

70 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:41:14pm

re: #67 marsl

Perhaps... but mine is better!

Your argument is invalid.

71 miguelj  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:42:22pm

Turkey will make it's bed, then have to lie in it.
Ummm...Long Live Free Kurdistan! - anyone?

72 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:42:57pm

re: #13 MandyManners

Analogous to Sami Kuntar's crimes.

Oops. Samir.

[Link: washingtonbureau.typepad.com...]

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:43:16pm

re: #66 marsl

Perhaps when a Beslan-like crisis or a Swat Valley crisis happens in Turkey, the turks will understand why religious partys like AKP are dangerous and what happens when you battle terrorists, like Israel does.

The Russians now know how to deal with muslim insurgents. And by the way, nobody ever protested against the russian way of dealing with terrorists, even if it means killings everybody and destroying everything - just look at Grozny. But those idiots who stand silent with Russia, became strangely active when is Israel or the United States.

Perhaps the reason for that is very simple: orphan leftists (no Soviet Union anymore) anti-american, and more and more anti-semitic (disguised as anti-zionism).

Nobody ever protested, and the Russians have been getting away with war crimes in Chechnya that curl my hair. Putin will rot in hell, but the world will never say anything.

The Turks aren't naive, they're just picking allies.

74 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:43:19pm

And this is the good part of the middle east... wowsers.

75 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:43:40pm

re: #71 miguelj

Have you told that to the Iraquis, Iranians and Syrians? They also have a piece of "free Curdistan"...

76 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:44:07pm

re: #63 chaimke613Well said.

Minute 1:55 - 2:30 in the film disgusts me. It's a scene of an Israeli soldier lethally firing at close range on a smiling frightened young girl.

77 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:44:49pm

Ugly fucker. Remind you of anyone?

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

78 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:45:56pm

re: #77 MandyMannersBut that can't be a real Nazi salute - mocking the nasty salute controversy from a few days ago.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:45:59pm

re: #76 Stuart Leviton

Well said.

Minute 1:55 - 2:30 in the film disgusts me. It's a scene of an Israeli soldier lethally firing at close range on a smiling frightened young girl.

I suspect that part of the problem is that Turkey is a big center in the Muslim world's entertainment industry. They have the money and sophistication to do big productions, and Turkish soaps are very popular in the Arab world. I suspect they're slanting anti-Israel in part to please their expanding viewer base.

80 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:46:00pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BWAHAHA! I've done it! The greatest Avatar in all Lizardom and its MINE!

Interesting *ahem* tail.

81 tradewind  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:46:05pm

re: #23 metrolibertarian
If it walks, acts, and quacks...

82 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:46:26pm

re: #77 MandyManners

Ugly fucker. Remind you of anyone?

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Sister Agape, my 6th grade teacher?

No ,,wait ,, she had a unibrow. Nevermind!
/

83 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:46:27pm

re: #77 MandyManners

Ugly fucker. Remind you of anyone?

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Not to judge a book by it's cover...but damn...if those eyes don't read volumes...

84 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:46:31pm

re: #78 Stuart Leviton

But that can't be a real Nazi salute - mocking the nasty salute controversy from a few days ago.

Mock on. Mock off.

85 tradewind  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:46:46pm

re: #80 MandyManners

So glad you said that... I thought I was the only twisted one in the bunch...
///

86 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:47:02pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

Sister Agape, my 6th grade teacher?

No ,,wait ,, she had a unibrow. Nevermind!
/

He waxes his.

87 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:47:25pm

re: #83 Oh no...Sand People!

Not to judge a book by it's cover...but damn...if those eyes don't read volumes...

Evil is as evil does, and that salute is all evil.

88 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:47:36pm

re: #86 MandyManners

He waxes his.

She did too,,, didn't help at ALL

89 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:47:54pm

re: #85 tradewind

So glad you said that... I thought I was the only twisted one in the bunch...
///

Yes, I'm twisted, sister.

90 tradewind  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:48:33pm

re: #83 Oh no...Sand People!

And the bad home perm.///

91 Equable  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:48:42pm

re: #87 MandyManners

Evil is as evil does, and that salute is all evil.

I see nothing but unbridled rage and hate there.

Someone's gotta take the gloves off sometime.

92 tradewind  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:49:08pm

re: #89 MandyManners

/That lizard did not appear to be lounging./

93 Gearhead  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:49:26pm

re: #80 MandyManners

Interesting *ahem* tail.

When did the Geico gekko go to work for Enzyte?

94 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:49:54pm

re: #87 MandyManners

Evil is as evil does, and that salute is all evil.

And here I am sweating the details..and missing the elephant in the room...

95 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:50:00pm

re: #84 MandyManners

Mock on. Mock off.


Just to clarify my feelings: I feel especially incensed about the release of that murderer. And that's just for starts.

96 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:50:13pm

Those Turks don't knoe how to make a anti-jewish movie. They forgot the next scene, when the evil zionist soldier takes all the blood of the little children. Next, the actions moves to a bakery, where a delicious jewish recipie is made with that blood. Meanwhile, the dying girl is taken to hospital, to be harvested of her organs, in order to rich zionist kids can survive. And don't forget the evil jew who runs the media grup... where this news are censored. And those nasty jews running banks.

Note to the Turks: next time, ask for the Palis for a advice.

97 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:51:38pm

Take care all.

Bedtime here.

98 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:52:34pm

Out to dine.

99 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:53:19pm

re: #96 marsl
You got talent. I think you found yourself a new career.

100 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:53:22pm

re: #77 MandyManners

Old habits never dies.

101 tradewind  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:53:52pm

Going to vote.

102 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:55:32pm

re: #99 Stuart Leviton

If I could make a movie, it would be a movie of Islamic porn...

103 KernelPanic  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:56:22pm

Can't. comment. on . his. thread. Still boiling over the BS "protocols" signed between Armenia & Turkey. One outcome of that little number is political cover for US diplomats who now have a "commission" to point at when the uncomfortable question of genocide denial/whitewashing comes up.

104 The Shadow Do  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:58:15pm

re: #77 MandyManners

Ugly fucker. Remind you of anyone?

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Yes

105 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 2:58:54pm

re: #102 marsl

If I could make a movie, it would be a movie of Islamic porn...

Titles like "Jenna Jameson does Tora Bora", "Out for a virgin", "Me, myself and the camel", "Wafa does it better", "Why I like goats", "Sucking up the Marines" and so on, are not leaving my head...

106 albusteve  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:01:18pm

if the IAF cannot fly through Turkish airspace, it becomes virtually impossible to strike Iran...just a thought

107 Bagua  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:05:19pm

re: #106 albusteve

There are better routes to Iran.

108 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:06:49pm

re: #76 Stuart Leviton

Well said.

Minute 1:55 - 2:30 in the film disgusts me. It's a scene of an Israeli soldier lethally firing at close range on a smiling frightened young girl.

Substitute the Israeli soldier for a "Hamas militant" and you have the killer of Tali Hatuel and her daughters. Not fiction.

109 Equable  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:06:54pm

re: #106 albusteve

if the IAF cannot fly through Turkish airspace, it becomes virtually impossible to strike Iran...just a thought

That's why awesome minds created the F-117!!! ;-) Oh and the ever so frighteningly evil B-2.

110 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:07:15pm

re: #106 albusteve

if the IAF cannot fly through Turkish airspace, it becomes virtually impossible to strike Iran...just a thought


Shortest distance between two points is a staright line

Israel>>Jordan>>Iraq>>Iran

((and yes,,,I'm aware of the logistical problems that presents,,, but any other way is just as fraught with problems)))

111 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:07:32pm

re: #109 Equable

The IAF dont have the F-117 or the B-2...

112 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:08:06pm

OT It looks like we're back in the 50's.

Your text to link...

113 lgffan  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:08:17pm

Thanks Charles - I have lurked for years - I finally tried to and got to register!

Hurray. Glad to be part of the lizard army!!!

114 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:08:29pm

re: #111 marsl

The IAF dont have the F-117 or the B-2...

Can't we rent them a couple for a day or so?

///somewhat!

115 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:08:54pm

re: #110 sattv4u2

Justa make a rendevous with some nice american tankers above Iraq...

116 albusteve  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:09:17pm

re: #107 Bagua

There are better routes to Iran.

better?...how so?

117 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:09:51pm

Off topic: the balloon story is starting to give off a faint whiff of...something. That balloon is way, way too small to have lifted a child off the ground. The parents seem to have a history of publicity seeking, as well. Authorities are also dropping hints that they don't think the kid was ever in or on the balloon.

Color me cynical, but nothing sounds right about any of this story.

118 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:10:04pm

re: #114 sattv4u2

They are yours, not mine... Portuguese AF only have F-16... and the IAF have better versions.

119 Bagua  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:10:31pm

re: #116 albusteve

better?...how so?

A more direct route is over Jordan and Iraq, a second route is over Saudi Arabia.

120 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:10:53pm

re: #113 lgffan

Thanks Charles - I have lurked for years - I finally tried to and got to register!

Hurray. Glad to be part of the lizard army!!!

Welcome

Now,, for your 1st official duty

Every time I post, hit the PLUS button to the right of my name

121 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:10:57pm

re: #102 marsl
My friend, my sense of humor is as warped as yours. The comedic straight man in me wants to ask "and what movies would you make" but we all know that we have already gone beyond the pale of tastelessness. Probably have to leave the topic for a Mel Brooks. Sorry about feeling the need to write this. I just fear how opponents to Charles lofty goals might use this to smear him.

Andrew Vacchs is one of my favorite writers. He writes about the consequences of child abuse and poverty on young women's lives (and how it raises the risk of prostitution, alcoholism, drug addiction and other such horrors). I think I feel ill. Gotta find quiet for a while. Be well, and nurture your obvious brilliance to do good (as I am sure you do).

122 albusteve  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:12:54pm

re: #119 Bagua

A more direct route is over Jordan and Iraq, a second route is over Saudi Arabia.

Jordan and Iraq are not available...SA would be better yet, but probably less likely than using Turkey

123 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:13:24pm

re: #121 Stuart Leviton

I feel like winning a Nobel Peace Prize...
I loved your comment

124 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:14:04pm

Just announced: the kid's been found alive. No details yet.

125 albusteve  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:14:14pm

re: #122 albusteve

Jordan and Iraq are not available...SA would be better yet, but probably less likely than using Turkey

to my knowledge that is...

126 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:14:31pm

Boy found at home alive.

127 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:14:34pm

re: #123 marsl

I feel like winning a Nobel Peace Prize...
I loved your comment


You're great! A million blessings to you.

128 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:14:38pm

re: #124 SixDegrees

That's good news.

129 Bagua  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:15:01pm

re: #122 albusteve

Jordan and Iraq are not available...SA would be better yet, but probably less likely than using Turkey

Not officially available that is.

130 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:15:02pm

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

"The boy was found alive tonight around 6 p.m. at his home. "

131 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:16:05pm

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hooray!

132 Bagua  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:16:36pm

Found alive hiding in attic after balloon drama!

133 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:17:15pm
134 Equable  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:17:54pm

re: #111 marsl

The IAF dont have the F-117 or the B-2...

As far as we know... muahahaha...

135 Bagua  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:17:58pm

re: #133 RogueOne

Hmmm,

Hmmm...so it turns out I was right. This is about an unstable adult who can't tie a damn knot.

No, your comment was ignorant.

136 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:18:05pm
137 eneri  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:19:27pm

I don't think Gaza had much to do with this, I think their extreme right, just as ours, has taken over or is on the verge of taking over.

138 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:19:43pm

'Balloon Boy' found alive, was never inside inside balloon

139 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:19:57pm

re: #136 RogueOne

Only joking and STILL I was right. C'mon, admit it, that's good.

No.

140 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:20:31pm

Apropos of nothing everything: Stupid is a condition. Ignorance is a choice.

141 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:20:33pm
142 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:22:39pm

Proof of fascism: Brainwashing

143 albusteve  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:22:59pm

re: #133 RogueOne

Hmmm,

Hmmm...so it turns out I was right. This is about an unstable adult who can't tie a damn knot.

"man, what style"
Dan Hicks

144 Bagua  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:23:20pm

re: #141 RogueOne

Only the part about Denver, I love Denver, but you have to admit there are a ton of "unusual" (I mean that in the nicest way) people.

The part about the parents being "dirty hippies" was callous and cruel.

145 badger1970  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:23:37pm

re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I could've sworn that this is Generation Y's version of activities reported on during Generation's X 80's run. I can't recall specifically what this story reminded me of a kidnapping(?) and the child was later found staying at friends house due to being mad at his/her parents (?) about 20 years ago.

146 Kragar  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:24:15pm

Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

A Louisiana justice of the peace said he refused to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple out of concern for any children the couple might have. Keith Bardwell, justice of the peace in Tangipahoa Parish, says it is his experience that most interracial marriages do not last long.

"I'm not a racist. I just don't believe in mixing the races that way," Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. "I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."

Bardwell said he asks everyone who calls about marriage if they are a mixed race couple. If they are, he does not marry them, he said."

147 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:24:20pm

re: #134 Equable

B-2 actually are more expensive than their weight in gold... and F-117 are now museum pieces...

But the IAF don't need B-2 or F-117. They have Jericho IRBM's with range to take Iran.

148 albusteve  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:24:55pm

re: #146 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

obviously a Republican

149 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:25:55pm

re: #146 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmmm.. isn't that refusea gainst something, like the US Constitution?

150 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:26:05pm

re: #136 RogueOne

There are dozens of places on teh internets where jokes about dirty hippies and missing children with funny names will earn you a chuckle and a slap on the back. This is not such a place.

151 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:26:41pm
152 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:27:08pm

re: #119 Bagua

re: #125 albusteve

Two to four Israelli jets on a US aircraft carried in the Indian Ocean. Fly dorectly into Iran from it's southeastern coast

ssshhh!!!

153 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:27:23pm
154 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:27:50pm

re: #114 sattv4u2

Can't we rent them a couple for a day or so?

///somewhat!

sattv4u2 -

Last time we did that it was called "Lend-Lease." A fair amount of it was put together in the room I am typing this reply from. Worked then, unfortunately while the Israelis have a "Churchill" - WE - have a "Chamberlain." That is all.

-S-

155 Bagua  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:28:17pm

re: #151 RogueOne

It was a joke. I didn't say it to them, I said it to a group of people not even remotely attached to this family or kid. Overreacting to a situation in which you have no control is unhealthy. I've already admitted I'm an asshole, I have a tendency to say things out loud that strike me as amusing. I apologized to Walter, I wasn't seriously ragging on Denver. Let me say it again, I really, really love Denver. 2nd favorite city on the parts of the planet that I've visited.

Then why do you continue harping on this? You are what you have admitted.

156 albusteve  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:28:53pm

re: #152 sattv4u2

re: #125 albusteve

Two to four Israelli jets on a US aircraft carried in the Indian Ocean. Fly dorectly into Iran from it's southeastern coast

ssshhh!!!

interesting concept, except the IAF would have to take down radar and surface to air stuff first...lots of hardware up there...I dig the idea though

157 marsl  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:29:10pm

re: #152 sattv4u2

That was a secret!

158 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:29:48pm

re: #157 marsl

That was a secret!

Thats why I said "ssshhh"

Now YOU'VE blown it!

159 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:29:59pm

re: #153 RogueOne

Bringing it back up was maybe not a great idea.

160 Equable  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:30:01pm

re: #147 marsl

B-2 actually are more expensive than their weight in gold... and F-117 are now museum pieces...

But the IAF don't need B-2 or F-117. They have Jericho IRBM's with range to take Iran.

This is true...

I once saw some of our pilots practicing in the F-117 when I was at Alamogordo. It was quite a sight.

The hotel manager where I was staying witnessed the first atomic bomb blast first hand. She had amazing stories; I bought us a 12-pack of Newcastle and listened to her for hours.

161 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:30:23pm
162 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:31:09pm
163 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:32:07pm

re: #152 sattv4u2

re: #125 albusteve

Two to four Israelli jets on a US aircraft carried in the Indian Ocean. Fly dorectly into Iran from it's southeastern coast

ssshhh!!!

sattv4u2 -

This is something like the "Dolittle Raid" - doubt we would loan them the USS Shangri-La to accomplish it. If GWB wouldn't do it, what do you expect of BHO? That is all.

-S-

164 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:33:08pm

re: #161 RogueOne

Down dinged that (for the ego comment)((it's an ego thing ,, MINE))
Either deal with it or go to counseling for your low self esteem!!

:)

165 borgcube  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:33:32pm

re: #146 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Borgcube and his Chinese-American wife are heading for Louisiana tomorrow. What a coincidence. Maybe I should arrange for this guy to see a racial stereotype up close and personal, as my wife also has a black belt.

166 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:36:41pm

re: #163 Dr. Shalit

sattv4u2 -

This is something like the "Dolittle Raid" - doubt we would loan them the USS Shangri-La to accomplish it. If GWB wouldn't do it, what do you expect of BHO? That is all.

-S-

BHO would want some measure of deniability. A carrier out on the Indian Ocean conducting "excersises" may afford him (us) that. I doubt the Iranians have the capability to
A) track every launch off a carrier 500+ miles off their coast
and even if they do
B) have the technology to determine whose jet was launched

167 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:37:40pm

re: #165 borgcube

Borgcube and his Chinese-American wife are heading for Louisiana tomorrow. What a coincidence. Maybe I should arrange for this guy to see a racial stereotype up close and personal, as my wife also has a black belt.

She has that to match her black purse and shoes!

oh ,,wait ,,, nevermind!

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:41:55pm

re: #133 RogueOne

Hmmm,

Hmmm...so it turns out I was right. This is about an unstable adult who can't tie a damn knot.

You said they were hippies, not attention whores. Bit different, dude.

Thank God the child is OK. Now, let's present the parents with the bill for this bit of insanity.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:43:42pm

re: #146 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

If I were black, I might stop using his bathroom after this emerged. Just personally.

170 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:46:14pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

If I were black, I might stop using his bathroom after this emerged. Just personally.

Next time there, I may visit and "use the bathroom" without ever actually going into that particular room!!
/

171 Bagua  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:53:52pm

re: #155 Bagua

Because I want to hear you tell me I was right. It's an ego thing.

Yes, it is quite clear that you have low self esteem and are seeking validation.

172 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:54:34pm

re: #146 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WTF?!

arggg

173 Bagua  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 4:03:38pm

re: #171 Bagua

Pimf: re 161

174 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 4:44:05pm

re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No adventure in that.

175 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 4:53:44pm

Turkey may believe they have some kind of problem with Israel. Bad move, they have a bigger problem with the Kurds. 'Nuff said...? Discussion?

-S-

176 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 6:26:45pm

I think the scientifically exact word here is "irruption", not "eruption".

Anti-Semitism irrupts like a zit.

177 [deleted]  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 6:28:00pm
178 miguelj  Thu, Oct 15, 2009 10:33:41pm

#75 Marsl & #175 Shalit - yeah, other countries have a piece of Kurdistan too.
Apropos of which: screw the Iranians and the Syrians! The sooner those fascist empires are dismembered, the better. As to Iraqi Kurdistan, it's already independent for all practical purposes. So if Turkish popular sentiment is now in favor of an alliance with the islamonazis, Turkey can pay the price ...

179 dogberry  Sun, Oct 18, 2009 8:55:33pm

Don't Turkey have an anti arab alliance with Israel?

Does Saudi Arabia want an Iranian bomb?


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