Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones

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On his front page today, Rush Limbaugh has a prominent link to “Prison Planet,” the website of whacked out conspiracy freakazoid Alex Jones, titled: Algore Photoshops Fake Earth.

And possibly even more ridiculous, Limbaugh says his “official climatologist” is Dr. Roy Spencer — a notorious climate change denier and creationist, who believes “intelligent design” creationism should be taught in schools as if it were science. Dr. Spencer is one of the best examples of the anti-science convergence of climate deniers and creationists.

That’s who Rush Limbaugh’s promoting to millions of people as a reputable expert and global warming “skeptic.”

(Hat tip: Killgore.)

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219 comments
1 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:44:35pm

I tried retweeting this and the URL doesn't work. Don't know if the problem is me or if bit.ly has a problem or what. Just FYI.

2 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:45:11pm

Nope-- must be me, working now. Sorry

3 Frogmarch  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:45:18pm

Rush, you ignorant slut.
I wonder if Rush knows about Alex Jones other conspiracy theories?
*cough* - 911 was an inside job! - * cough*

4 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:46:44pm

re: #3 Frogmarch

Rush, you ignorant slut.
I wonder if Rush knows about Alex Jones other conspiracy theories?
*cough* - 911 was an inside job! - * cough*

How would Rush be able to know those other things... it's not like it's on the internet or anything.

5 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:47:17pm

It is the cover of an Al Gore book. And proof Gore is an idiot.

6 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:50:00pm

Er ... the book cover is obviously a painting, not intended to be a real picture.

7 FrogMarch  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:50:04pm

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

How would Rush be able to know those other things... it's not like it's on the internet or anything.

I have no idea. Either he knows and doesn't care - or he doesn't know. Either way - it's gross.

8 Cato the Elder  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:50:15pm

Hmm. Rush pimping for conspiracy-mongers? Say it ain't so.

Oh, wait...isn't Bible Spice one of his clients?

9 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:50:56pm

Why does a radio host need an official climatologist? Is Spencer on retainer?

10 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:51:17pm

re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar

It is the cover of an Al Gore book. And proof Gore is an idiot.

I asked this on the last thread. How can Al gore be an idiot when he certainly brought climate change to the attention of the world? Are all the other climate change scientist and proponents idiots? Are the strong supporters of climate change on LGF's idiots?

11 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:51:38pm

As I was corrected in the previous thread; Fox, Drudge, Glenn Beck, Rush and Michelle Malkin have been lifting stories from Alex Jones for a while now but this link from Rush has to be the first big mainstream pundit to openly endorse Alex Jones. It's a logical progression that we've been sing for a while now. I have little doubt that Alex Jones will be considered mainstream on the right in the not too distant future.

12 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:51:41pm

During a hurricane on Florida's west coast, the biggest worry is being on the bottom right quadrent of the storm. This pushes the water up streams and rivers. Then, flooding occurs. C'mon Al. Painting or not, you can paint something correctly.

13 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:52:15pm

Fools Rush in.

14 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:53:47pm

Rush -

Re: Alex Jones

BAD MOVE. That is all. -S-

15 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:54:15pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Is it an endorsement of Alex Jones, though?

16 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:55:39pm

Oh, and hurricane season has been very quite since '04.

17 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:55:52pm

re: #12 Cannadian Club Akbar

Painting or not, you can paint something correctly.


I agree that it's was probably a sloppy error by the artist and someone should have caught it before publication. However, the defacto leader of the Republican party should not be legitimizing crack pot extremists like Alex Jones. Glenn Beck is doing enough damage as it is and he doesn't need help.

18 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:56:43pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

As I was corrected in the previous thread; Fox, Drudge, Glenn Beck, Rush and Michelle Malkin have been lifting stories from Alex Jones for a while now but this link from Rush has to be the first big mainstream pundit to openly endorse Alex Jones. It's a logical progression that we've been sing for a while now. I have little doubt that Alex Jones will be considered mainstream on the right in the not too distant future.

re: #15 Guanxi88

Is it an endorsement of Alex Jones, though?

It is a link which will generate a ton of traffic. Here's a comment from Jones's site:

Hello Rush Limbaugh fans Reply:
November 19th, 2009 at 11:48 am

You guys should checkout Alex Jones for HARDCORE conservative talk.

Just click on Listen to Alex Jones, on Prison Planet’s homepage, to get the podcast.

it’s a 4 hour show runs mon-fri from 11am-3pm texas time

19 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:57:23pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

I agree that it's was probably a sloppy error by the artist and someone should have caught it before publication. However, the defacto leader of the Republican party should not be legitimizing crack pot extremists like Alex Jones. Glenn Beck is doing enough damage as it is and he doesn't need help.

Agreed. But the art was also incorrect on the movie poster from "An Inconvenient Truth."

20 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:57:59pm

re: #15 Guanxi88

Is it an endorsement of Alex Jones, though?

Yes, Rush is clearly indicating that that's where he got the story from. That indicates to Rush's listeners that it's a good site to get information. He even provides a link so his viewers go go visit Alex Jone's site. Rush just gave Alex Jones a lot of fans.

21 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:58:57pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

Not me. And I get infow*** links from my BIL. Ugh.

22 Gus  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:59:07pm

Ah yes. "The Great Alex Jones according to Fox News' "Judge" Napolitano. Now he has a new friend, Rush Limbaugh. Seems like Alex Jones is finding a wider and more accepting audience with the right than he did with the left. Now that Rush has opened the door he will find even greater airplay with the pitch fork and torches crowds.

23 Racer X  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:00:11pm

Hot Chip - Ready For The Floor

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24 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:00:14pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

re: #20 Killgore Trout

Yes, Rush is clearly indicating that that's where he got the story from. That indicates to Rush's listeners that it's a good site to get information. He even provides a link so his viewers go go visit Alex Jone's site. Rush just gave Alex Jones a lot of fans.

It's a shock, then, because Limbaugh, whatever his faults, is not a Truther, and is roundly and profanely hated by the PrisonPlanet inmates.

25 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:02:07pm

re: #22 Gus 802

There are rumors floating around again that Napolitano is on the verge of getting a show on the main Fox channel. I'm sure he's being considered but we'll have to wait and see.

26 Ericus58  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:02:51pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

I thought Malkin and Jones were arch-enemies - didn't they have a public dust-up caught on video where he was chasing her around at some rally this past summer? Perhaps it was someone else dogging her heels.

27 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:03:37pm

re: #26 Ericus58

I thought Malkin and Jones were arch-enemies - didn't they have a public dust-up caught on video where he was chasing her around at some rally this past summer? Perhaps it was someone else dogging her heels.

For some reason, that rings a bell.

28 rollwave87  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:03:48pm

my tolerance for these global warming (read: science) deniers is growing smaller and smaller. would it be to extreme to just call these people 'anti-Earth?' cuz im getting really close to that point. hey morons: lets not destroy our f*cking planet,k?

29 Gus  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:04:00pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

There are rumors floating around again that Napolitano is on the verge of getting a show on the main Fox channel. I'm sure he's being considered but we'll have to wait and see.

A marriage made in heaven. Or is that hell?

30 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:04:01pm

I'll be honest; I'll bother to learn about Alex Jones if someone I care about starts following him.

31 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:04:15pm

re: #26 Ericus58

I thought Malkin and Jones were arch-enemies - didn't they have a public dust-up caught on video where he was chasing her around at some rally this past summer? Perhaps it was someone else dogging her heels.

It was Jones.

32 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:04:53pm

Rush Limbaugh Plumbs New Depth Of Perversion; Releases Gitmo T-shirt Line

Prison Planet %P% June 20 2005

OxyContin quaffing, Bush worshipping, torture apologist Rush Limbaugh has plumbed a new low in both sickness and inacurracy.

Limbaugh has been hawking a new line of caps, T-shirts and mugs that depict the Guantanamo Bay detention camp in Cuba as a holiday home.

Rush Limbaugh Shills for Bohemian Grove

You Tube
Friday, February 2, 2007

John Connor of the Resistance Manifesto forces Limbaugh to talk about Bohemian Grove, after which Mr. Oxycontin attempts to minimize the importance of the elite compound, flying in the face of the facts that both Star Wars and the Manhattan Project were conceived there.

33 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:05:14pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

As I was corrected in the previous thread; Fox, Drudge, Glenn Beck, Rush and Michelle Malkin have been lifting stories from Alex Jones for a while now but this link from Rush has to be the first big mainstream pundit to openly endorse Alex Jones. It's a logical progression that we've been sing for a while now. I have little doubt that Alex Jones will be considered mainstream on the right in the not too distant future.

one step at a time...slowly they turned

34 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:05:26pm

re: #31 MandyManners

It was Jones.

Can't be. She's stealing from him for material. KGT says so.

35 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:06:57pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

It's a logical progression that we've been sing for a while now. I have little doubt that Alex Jones will be considered mainstream on the right in the not too distant future.

In your estimation, isn't he there already?

36 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:07:01pm

Speaking of PrisonPlanet, here is where I pwn3d them hot-linking a graphic from my site.

37 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:07:53pm

The fact that this is an issue to these people is stunningly stupid. Breathtakingly stupid.

38 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:07:59pm

re: #32 Guanxi88

Rush Limbaugh Plumbs New Depth Of Perversion; Releases Gitmo T-shirt Line

Prison Planet %P% June 20 2005

OxyContin quaffing, Bush worshipping, torture apologist Rush Limbaugh has plumbed a new low in both sickness and inacurracy.

Limbaugh has been hawking a new line of caps, T-shirts and mugs that depict the Guantanamo Bay detention camp in Cuba as a holiday home.

Rush Limbaugh Shills for Bohemian Grove

You Tube
Friday, February 2, 2007

John Connor of the Resistance Manifesto forces Limbaugh to talk about Bohemian Grove, after which Mr. Oxycontin attempts to minimize the importance of the elite compound, flying in the face of the facts that both Star Wars and the Manhattan Project were conceived there.

Didn't Danny Bonaduce punch Connor in the face?

39 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:08:18pm

re: #19 Cannadian Club Akbar

Agreed. But the art was also incorrect on the movie poster from "An Inconvenient Truth."

Correct pic of a hurricane.

Image: katrinalarge.jpg

40 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:08:30pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

There are rumors floating around again that Napolitano is on the verge of getting a show on the main Fox channel. I'm sure he's being considered but we'll have to wait and see.

I thought he had a show at one point...

41 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:08:48pm

re: #34 Guanxi88

Can't be. She's stealing from him for material. KGT says so.

No, it was Alex Jones who hounded her on the streets of Denver during the Democrat's convention.

42 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:09:26pm

Oops. I hope Cato doesn't see my typo.

43 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:09:42pm

re: #39 Cannadian Club Akbar

Correct pic of a hurricane.

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

beautiful picture...probably Katrina

44 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:10:31pm

re: #42 MandyManners

Oops. I hope Cato doesn't see my typo.

he absorbs them telepathically...there is no escape

45 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:10:45pm

re: #41 MandyManners

No, it was Alex Jones who hounded her on the streets of Denver during the Democrat's convention.

As we've since found out, AJ and MM were (are?) two bantam roosters in the same pit of crazy, it seems...

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:10:51pm

re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar

It is the cover of an Al Gore book. And proof Gore is an idiot.

There are not enough facepalms for what you have just said.

But I'll try.

47 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:10:54pm

re: #43 albusteve

beautiful picture...probably Katrina

Yes. Rose to a 5, but hit as a 3.

48 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:11:08pm

re: #41 MandyManners

No, it was Alex Jones who hounded her on the streets of Denver during the Democrat's convention.

Odd, because KGT's pretty damned sure that she's swiping material from him.

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:12:09pm

re: #48 Guanxi88

Odd, because KGT's pretty damned sure that she's swiping material from him.

You can hate someone and still rip them off for personal gain!

50 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:12:45pm

re: #49 WindUpBird

You can hate someone and still rip them off for personal gain!

I'm using that!!
///

51 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:12:50pm

re: #45 talon_262

As we've since found out, AJ and MM were (are?) two bantam roosters in the same pit of crazy, it seems...

That line doesn't work. Malkin is female so if she were poultry she'd be a cackling hen.

52 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:13:16pm

re: #49 WindUpBird

You can hate someone and still rip them off for personal gain!

My point is she's already sufficiently whacky that sheep-dipping her with the AJ connection serves no purpose. 'Course she's deranged - who can deny it?

53 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:14:03pm

re: #47 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. Rose to a 5, but hit as a 3.

127mph winds, right up the gut...some levies fail and kaboom!...could even have been much worse for NOLA...the Quarter and Garden District survived nicely

54 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:14:11pm

re: #52 Guanxi88

My point is she's already sufficiently whacky that sheep-dipping her with the AJ connection serves no purpose. 'Course she's deranged - who can deny it?

ahaha that is true 8-) A symphony of nutjobbery!

55 Gus  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:14:39pm

re: #49 WindUpBird

You can hate someone and still rip them off for personal gain!

Sure. To attain cynical political objectives. I think it's fairly clear that Rush is pimping Prisonplanet/Alex Jones material in this piece.

56 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:14:44pm

re: #35 Guanxi88

In your estimation, isn't he there already?

Not quite yet. Glenn Beck is a wtered down version of Alex Jones. Alex can't make the leap quite yet because the 9-11 truth thing still has a lot of stigma. The truthers are attending the Tea Parties and they report that they're often greeted warmly and people are becoming receptive to their ideas. I think Glenn Beck and the right wing blogs are really helping this because they're promoting very similar conspiracies of their own. I'm noticing an increasing opposition to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on the right these days. Once the empire building isolationist rhetoric takes hold on the right then I think Alex and his 9-11 Truth stuff won't seem so bad to conservatives. It'll take a little while longer.

57 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:14:46pm

re: #36 Alouette

Speaking of PrisonPlanet, here is where I pwn3d them hot-linking a graphic from my site.

Ahh, your pwnage of that PrisonPlanet putz never gets old! ;-P

58 Ericus58  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:15:41pm

re: #38 MandyManners

Ask and ye shall get - a nice verbal smackdown.

Youtube Video
59 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:16:05pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Not quite yet. Glenn Beck is a wtered down version of Alex Jones. Alex can't make the leap quite yet because the 9-11 truth thing still has a lot of stigma. The truthers are attending the Tea Parties and they report that they're often greeted warmly and people are becoming receptive to their ideas. I think Glenn Beck and the right wing blogs are really helping this because they're promoting very similar conspiracies of their own. I'm noticing an increasing opposition to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on the right these days. Once the empire building isolationist rhetoric takes hold on the right then I think Alex and his 9-11 Truth stuff won't seem so bad to conservatives. It'll take a little while longer.

I fear you might be on to something there...G-d help us if that happens.

60 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:16:13pm

Frankly I don't think it matters really if global warming exists or if it's a natural cycle or what, we should just do common sense stuff like recycle and get rid of coal plants and conserve and use public transit and not drive a pickup/SUV unless you need it for work, not for compensation. It's not hard people.

61 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:16:14pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Not quite yet. Glenn Beck is a wtered down version of Alex Jones. Alex can't make the leap quite yet because the 9-11 truth thing still has a lot of stigma. The truthers are attending the Tea Parties and they report that they're often greeted warmly and people are becoming receptive to their ideas. I think Glenn Beck and the right wing blogs are really helping this because they're promoting very similar conspiracies of their own. I'm noticing an increasing opposition to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on the right these days. Once the empire building isolationist rhetoric takes hold on the right then I think Alex and his 9-11 Truth stuff won't seem so bad to conservatives. It'll take a little while longer.

So, the Right isn't altogether deranged and evil, just mostly, and with time, it will be in full.

62 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:16:30pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

I went to the very 1st Tea Party. The Alex Jones people were quiet, except handing out flyers. Haven't been to one since, for obvious reasons.

63 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:16:49pm

re: #40 talon_262

He does have a daily show on the online version of Fox. He's working on moving over to the cable version.

64 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:17:09pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

That line doesn't work. Malkin is female so if she were poultry she'd be a cackling hen.

Just a bit of artistic license, as it were... ;-P

65 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:17:16pm

re: #52 Guanxi88

My point is she's already sufficiently whacky that sheep-dipping her with the AJ connection serves no purpose. 'Course she's deranged - who can deny it?

who's MM?...why does she concern me?...rhetorical...this whole scene revolves around only a few people..wait til 2010 and 12...we will see then if AJ is mainstream...I think he has a long road to hold, imo

66 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:17:34pm

Far be it for me to "Rush" to judgment, but this association cheapens and taints you, Mr Limbaugh.

67 cliffster  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:19:24pm

re: #65 albusteve

who's MM?...why does she concern me?...rhetorical...this whole scene revolves around only a few people..wait til 2010 and 12...we will see then if AJ is mainstream...I think he has a long road to hold, imo

"Long road to hold"??? try "Long row to hoe", city boy ;)

68 checked08  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:20:06pm

re: #66 _RememberTonyC

I take issue with your assertion that there was a part of Limbaugh left to taint.

69 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:21:09pm

re: #68 checked08

I take issue with your assertion that there was a part of Limbaugh left to taint.

Maybe his "taint", but then again, I wouldn't know or be interested in knowing...

///

70 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:21:30pm

re: #68 checked08

I take issue with your assertion that there was a part of Limbaugh left to taint.

it's a free country ...

71 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:22:00pm

re: #61 Guanxi88

So, the Right isn't altogether deranged and evil, just mostly, and with time, it will be in full.

You disagree with my digest of your statement?

72 lawrior  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:22:26pm

Oh Rush, but what can you expect from a pig but a grunt?

73 Nadnerb  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:23:02pm

First it was Napolitano-a kook if I ever saw one. Now, Rush LINKS to Alex Jones? What is wrong with the right? The enemy of my enemy is NOT necessarily my friend. Learn it nutbaggers.

74 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:23:36pm

re: #71 Guanxi88

You disagree with my digest of your statement?

Talking to yourself is OK. Answering yourself means you're nuts.
/

75 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:23:52pm

re: #72 lawrior

Oh Rush, but what can you expect from a pig but a grunt?

Well, they're also known to wallow in the mud, and Rush does that by cozing up to crazies.

76 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:24:22pm

re: #60 Pepper Fox

Frankly I don't think it matters really if global warming exists or if it's a natural cycle or what, we should just do common sense stuff like recycle and get rid of coal plants and conserve and use public transit and not drive a pickup/SUV unless you need it for work, not for compensation. It's not hard people.

whatever, we need a way to burn coal cleanly and efficiently...we need to drill and produce our on energy to shore up our liberalized sagging economy...we need to get on line with nuclear power and fast...continue with local wind and solar energy...this crazy dream of wind power and burning corn is a disaster in itself...experts know this but politically there is power there and economically, a few will make a killing, none of which has anything to do with our long range problems...at this point recycling is so relatively insignificant it's almost laughable...good attitude tho...in summation, we are severly fucked

77 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:24:59pm

re: #73 Nadnerb

First it was Napolitano-a kook if I ever saw one. Now, Rush LINKS to Alex Jones? What is wrong with the right? The enemy of my enemy is NOT necessarily my friend. Learn it nutteabaggers.

slightly improved

78 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:26:31pm

what do the big energy brokers think about off the grid I wonder?

79 Racer X  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:27:32pm

The Ting Tings - Shut Up and Let Me Go

Youtube Video
80 cliffster  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:27:34pm

re: #78 albusteve

what do the big energy brokers think about off the grid I wonder?

They think about where they are going to buy their next luxury condo.

81 Gus  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:27:41pm

The Photoshopping isn't "fraudulent." It was merely done to represent a doomsday scenario according to Al Gore, et al. Doesn't matter what side of the fence one is on.

82 oldegeezr  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:28:14pm

The way things aren't...
Rush Limbaugh debates reality.

The way things are...
Alex Jones debates reality...

“I say to...mayto, you say to...mato...!”

83 abolitionist  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:29:12pm

re: #26 Ericus58

I thought Malkin and Jones were arch-enemies - didn't they have a public dust-up caught on video where he was chasing her around at some rally this past summer? Perhaps it was someone else dogging her heels.

Where he incites the crowd against her:
Alex Jones Confronts Michelle Malkin at The DNC 1/3

84 cliffster  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:29:49pm

The 24 hour information cycle, the ease with which one can reference another, and the short road to getting a large audience online, all are fundamentally changing the way news is dispersed and reputations are earned/destroyed. N one can really predict what the dynamic will look like in 10 years, but my guess is it will be uglier than it was 10 years ago.

85 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:29:53pm

re: #80 cliffster

They think about where they are going to buy their next luxury condo.

heh...probably
the POWERS THAT BE!...BEHOLD! AND BOW BEFORE ME!

86 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:30:16pm

re: #81 Gus 802

The Photoshopping isn't "fraudulent." It was merely done to represent a doomsday scenario according to Al Gore, et al. Doesn't matter what side of the fence one is on.

So, a mountainous Cuba, that rips hurricanes to shreds and is under water and a hurricane spinning the wrong way can't be corrected?

87 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:30:21pm

re: #81 Gus 802

The Photoshopping isn't "fraudulent." It was merely done to represent a doomsday scenario according to Al Gore, et al. Doesn't matter what side of the fence one is on.

That's right Gus. Accurate doesn't matter when you are trying to prove a point. Love your post.

88 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:31:09pm

my point is this...when the energy shit hits the fan, Beck and his cronies will become instant nobodies

89 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:31:17pm

KGT - you down-ding a digest of your comment? Unbelievable.

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Not quite yet. Glenn Beck is a wtered down version of Alex Jones. Alex can't make the leap quite yet because the 9-11 truth thing still has a lot of stigma. The truthers are attending the Tea Parties and they report that they're often greeted warmly and people are becoming receptive to their ideas. I think Glenn Beck and the right wing blogs are really helping this because they're promoting very similar conspiracies of their own. I'm noticing an increasing opposition to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on the right these days. Once the empire building isolationist rhetoric takes hold on the right then I think Alex and his 9-11 Truth stuff won't seem so bad to conservatives. It'll take a little while longer.

So, the Right isn't altogether deranged and evil, just mostly, and with time, it will be in full.

And that gets a down-ding.

Admit it - to you, there's no difference between conservatism and the unmitigated evil and insanity of Prison Planet. For you, it's only a matter of time before opposition to anything to the left is indistinguishable from Trutherism and wild conspiracy theories. You have no respect for the Republican Party, conservatism, or the fundamentals of reasoned debate outside your own narrow range of opinions. No brush is too large, no calumny too low, that you won't leap on it at the first chance.

Jones is Beck is Limbaugh is anyone who disagrees.

90 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:32:08pm

re: #84 cliffster

The 24 hour information cycle, the ease with which one can reference another, and the short road to getting a large audience online, all are fundamentally changing the way news is dispersed and reputations are earned/destroyed. N one can really predict what the dynamic will look like in 10 years, but my guess is it will be uglier than it was 10 years ago.

by then, according to some, Beck will be POTUS!

91 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:32:14pm

re: #76 albusteve

whatever, we need a way to burn coal cleanly and efficiently...we need to drill and produce our on energy to shore up our liberalized sagging economy...we need to get on line with nuclear power and fast...continue with local wind and solar energy...this crazy dream of wind power and burning corn is a disaster in itself...experts know this but politically there is power there and economically, a few will make a killing, none of which has anything to do with our long range problems...at this point recycling is so relatively insignificant it's almost laughable...good attitude tho...in summation, we are severly fucked

I agree with the nuclear power, I am totally for that. The coal I am doubtful of a clean, safe way of using it. Remember what happened to that town when that sludge shit broke loose? Wind and solar power isn't quite feasible yet on a grand scale, but it is rapidly developing and is great on a small scale. Between using all that empty space in the desert, upgrading our power grid we will be in pretty good shape in the near future, even more so if we start putting small more efficient wind generators up on houses and radio/cellular/water towers.

92 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:32:37pm

re: #90 albusteve

by then, according to some, Beck will be POTUS!

Quit listening to KGT's tales of terror.

93 Gus  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:32:39pm

re: #87 Walter L. Newton

That's right Gus. Accurate doesn't matter when you are trying to prove a point. Love your post.

Well. I'm still a skeptic and taking a wait and see attitude. Plus, one could also ad that Al Gore isn't the sole representative of the idea of AGW so it's possible that one accepts the AGW science while denouncing Al Gore's scare tactics.

94 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:33:28pm

re: #93 Gus 802

Well. I'm still a skeptic and taking a wait and see attitude. Plus, one could also ad that Al Gore isn't the sole representative of the idea of AGW so it's possible that one accepts the AGW science while denouncing Al Gore's scare tactics.

ManBearPig is a lying douchebag.

95 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:33:51pm

re: #26 Ericus58

I thought Malkin and Jones were arch-enemies - didn't they have a public dust-up caught on video where he was chasing her around at some rally this past summer? Perhaps it was someone else dogging her heels.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is at play here...at this point, MM and AJ's common enemy is Obama.

96 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:34:33pm

re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar

ManBearPig is a lying douchebag.

I like him.

97 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:34:44pm

re: #89 Guanxi88

pretty much...but I'd drink with KT anytime...
everyone has a point of view

98 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:35:22pm

re: #91 Pepper Fox

I agree with the nuclear power, I am totally for that. The coal I am doubtful of a clean, safe way of using it. Remember what happened to that town when that sludge shit broke loose? Wind and solar power isn't quite feasible yet on a grand scale, but it is rapidly developing and is great on a small scale. Between using all that empty space in the desert, upgrading our power grid we will be in pretty good shape in the near future, even more so if we start putting small more efficient wind generators up on houses and radio/cellular/water towers.

Can't put up solar in the desert. Enviromentalist sue because of some snake or something.
No wind power. Kills birds.
No towers in populated areas. Causes cancer.

99 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:35:25pm

re: #97 albusteve

pretty much...but I'd drink with KT anytime...
everyone has a point of view

Me too, i like the guy and consider him all right. But for pete's sake, it's enough already.

100 Gus  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:35:33pm

re: #86 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, a mountainous Cuba, that rips hurricanes to shreds and is under water and a hurricane spinning the wrong way can't be corrected?

Oh yeah I just noticed the varying hurricanes. They're spinning all over the place. And it looks like most of the west coast of Florida is gone. Looks like Cuba, Puerto Rico and other islands gone.

101 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:36:06pm

dinner time!

102 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:37:11pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Oh yeah I just noticed the varying hurricanes. They're spinning all over the place. And it looks like most of the west coast of Florida is gone. Looks like Cuba, Puerto Rico and other islands gone.

This is a hurricane. (posted earlier)
Image: katrinalarge.jpg

103 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:37:23pm

Hi lizards...I recovered my Hard Drive from the Dell that blew up..
Thousands of pictures from Iraq.. The Lizard prayer list..Word Docs like crazy..
I am so happy and blessed..
How is everyone tonight? Anyone want to get in a fight tonight? *wink*
I am relieved to recover the data...
/Walter..Hope today finds you well...I am in such a good mood...
As the lion said in the Wizard of Oz..Put em up! Put em up!
/What are we talking about?

104 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:37:42pm

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can't put up solar in the desert. Enviromentalist sue because of some snake or something.
No wind power. Kills birds.
No towers in populated areas. Causes cancer.

Do you ever get the feeling some would have us living in caves again?

105 checked08  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:38:21pm

re: #82 oldegeezr

You are not alone. I say to-mayto too

106 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:38:22pm

re: #91 Pepper Fox

I agree with the nuclear power, I am totally for that. The coal I am doubtful of a clean, safe way of using it. Remember what happened to that town when that sludge shit broke loose? Wind and solar power isn't quite feasible yet on a grand scale, but it is rapidly developing and is great on a small scale. Between using all that empty space in the desert, upgrading our power grid we will be in pretty good shape in the near future, even more so if we start putting small more efficient wind generators up on houses and radio/cellular/water towers.

well CA libs don't want no stinkin solar ranch in their desert...and Mass libs don't want no hideous wind farm in their bay...and lib greenies resist nuclear power as if their lives depended on it...meanwhile the planet is dying...the solutions are political...so wtf?...lol!...the joke is on us eh?

107 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:38:34pm

re: #92 Guanxi88

Quit listening to KGT's tales of terror.

Would you please dial it back? Last night you went after Ludwig, and I updinged you because I felt he was out of line. Tonight you're going after Killgore and its starting to be a bit over the top. The way you are talking is more geared towards starting fights than having a useful conversation. Please dial back the snark for a bit.

108 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:38:39pm

re: #104 MandyManners

Do you ever get the feeling some would have us living in caves again?

You clean. Me hunt dinosaur.
///

109 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:39:38pm

re: #92 Guanxi88

Quit listening to KGT's tales of terror.

I always listen to KT...you should too, it's not a matter of agreeing so much as information...trends and possibilities

110 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:39:48pm

re: #104 MandyManners

Do you ever get the feeling some would have us living in caves again?

Yep, i get that feeling listening to the left on a frequent basis.

111 Gus  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:40:05pm

re: #102 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is a hurricane. (posted earlier)
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

Computer modeled?

Just today the Army Corps of Engineers was found liable for hurricane damage.

112 Lawrior  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:40:49pm

re: #95 talon_262

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is at play here...at this point, MM and AJ's common enemy is Obama.

For now, they have a common enemy, but this is transitory. MM hates the Left, and if and when the Republicans can retake the White House, she'll have nothing in common with AJ.

AJ's sworn enemy is all current and former Presidents, the Pentagon, DEA, CIA, Mexico, China, Russia, Cuba, the Rothchilds, the Gettys, and Col. Sanders. While he claims to love the truth, it's more of a love-hate thing.

113 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:41:01pm

re: #106 albusteve

well CA libs don't want no stinkin solar ranch in their desert...and Mass libs don't want no hideous wind farm in their bay...and lib greenies resist nuclear power as if their lives depended on it...meanwhile the planet is dying...the solutions are political...so wtf?...lol!...the joke is on us eh?

Well I'm buying a ranch on well water, putting up a wind generator or two, maybe solar, planting a large garden, and raising chickens. Everyone else can just go to hell.

114 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:41:04pm

re: #108 Cannadian Club Akbar

You clean. Me hunt dinosaur.
///

Just be sure to gut and clean it before you bring it to my fire ring!

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:41:44pm

re: #111 Gus 802

Computer modeled?

Just today the Army Corps of Engineers was found liable for hurricane damage.

Actually Katrina. And NOLA is 20 feet below sea level. Good luck keeping out water.

116 Ericus58  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:42:20pm

re: #104 MandyManners

Do you ever get the feeling some would have us living in caves again?

kinda seems that way at times...

117 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:42:22pm

re: #113 Pepper Fox

Well I'm buying a ranch on well water, putting up a wind generator or two, maybe solar, planting a large garden, and raising chickens. Everyone else can just go to hell.

can I visit?...an admirable style and you can do it...many people have

118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:43:29pm

re: #113 Pepper Fox

Well I'm buying a ranch on well water, putting up a wind generator or two, maybe solar, planting a large garden, and raising chickens. Everyone else can just go to hell.

Now that I am working again, I'm getting 3 cows and maybe some chickens.

119 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:43:36pm

re: #117 albusteve

can I visit?...an admirable style and you can do it...many people have

Bring a box of ammo for your dinner.

120 Ericus58  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:43:55pm

Dinner and a movie with my better half - be well all.

121 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:44:09pm

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

I like him.

If you knew Al Gore like us Tennesseans know Al Gore, you'd think twice about him...the man is a two-faced, self-serving piece of s**t, the consummate Southern politician. While he's had some good points on climate change, the man's a complete hypocrite...a classic case of "do as I say, not as I do".

122 Cato the Elder  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:45:01pm

re: #121 talon_262

If you knew Al Gore like us Tennesseans know Al Gore, you'd think twice about him...the man is a two-faced, self-serving piece of s**t, the consummate Southern politician. While he's had some good points on climate change, the man's a complete hypocrite...a classic case of "do as I say, not as I do".

I prefer his cousin, Gore Vidal.

123 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:45:02pm

re: #103 HoosierHoops

Hi lizards...I recovered my Hard Drive from the Dell that blew up..
Thousands of pictures from Iraq.. The Lizard prayer list..Word Docs like crazy..
I am so happy and blessed..
How is everyone tonight? Anyone want to get in a fight tonight? *wink*
I am relieved to recover the data...
/Walter..Hope today finds you well...I am in such a good mood...
As the lion said in the Wizard of Oz..Put em up! Put em up!
/What are we talking about?

I like your attitude

124 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:45:08pm

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually Katrina. And NOLA is 20 feet below sea level. Good luck keeping out water.

it's not that far below...5 to 7 feet maybe

125 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:45:25pm

re: #121 talon_262

If you knew Al Gore like us Tennesseans know Al Gore, you'd think twice about him...the man is a two-faced, self-serving piece of s**t, the consummate Southern politician. While he's had some good points on climate change, the man's a complete hypocrite...a classic case of "do as I say, not as I do".

I like him.

126 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:45:28pm

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

Now that I am working again, I'm getting 3 cows and maybe some chickens.

Cows seem like a bit much of an investment, chickens are more manageable in meat and egg output. If I wanna go kill something for lots of meat I'll go take out a deer and save the meat in a chest freezer.

127 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:45:36pm

re: #119 Pepper Fox

Bring a box of ammo for your dinner.

rustic!

128 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:45:42pm

Two links about Gore's hypocrisy.

[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

Go to about three minutes in.

Youtube Video
129 Gus  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:45:59pm

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually Katrina. And NOLA is 20 feet below sea level. Good luck keeping out water.

Yeah, which was the subject of science, engineering and media reports prior to hurricane Katrina. Even the mayor (cough) couldn't believe that a catastrophic hurricane was heading his way. But, the Army COE lost today:

"It is the court's opinion that the negligence of the Corps, in this instance by failing to maintain the MRGO properly, was not policy, but insouciance, myopia and short-sightedness," U.S. District Court Judge Stanwood Duval Jr. wrote in his lengthy ruling, referring to the Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet canal.

"For over 40 years, the Corps was aware that the Reach II levee protecting Chalmette and the Lower Ninth Ward was going to be compromised by the continued deterioration of the MRGO ... The Corps had an opportunity to take a myriad of actions to alleviate this deterioration or rehabilitate this deterioration and failed to do so. Clearly, the expression 'talk is cheap' applies here."

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:46:16pm

re: #126 Pepper Fox

Cows seem like a bit much of an investment, chickens are more manageable in meat and egg output. If I wanna go kill something for lots of meat I'll go take out a deer and save the meat in a chest freezer.

I can just send the cows to a local slaughter house and split the meat.

131 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:46:24pm

re: #121 talon_262

If you knew Al Gore like us Tennesseans know Al Gore, you'd think twice about him...the man is a two-faced, self-serving piece of s**t, the consummate Southern politician. While he's had some good points on climate change, the man's a complete hypocrite...a classic case of "do as I say, not as I do".

That sounds like Gore alright. He gets his private jet, but we all have to stop wanting to travel and he's super serial.

132 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:46:39pm

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

I like him.

take that BACK!

133 brookly red  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:47:10pm

re: #124 albusteve

it's not that far below...5 to 7 feet maybe

still, not the location I would choose to build a city...

134 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:47:23pm

re: #132 albusteve

take that BACK!

I like him.

135 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:48:06pm

re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can just send the cows to a local slaughter house and split the meat.

I also don't like milk :P but I guess I could sell that too. My goal is to become self sufficient enough to where if shit hits the fan I will be just fine, live off the grid if I have to. Still have a career and whatnot though.

136 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:48:15pm

re: #124 albusteve

it's not that far below...5 to 7 feet maybe

Yep.

[Link: ask.yahoo.com...]

137 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:49:05pm

re: #123 _RememberTonyC

I like your attitude

Hi Tony.. I think I should have been born a Southie.. I like those boys that take no shit from anybody...LOL

138 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:49:36pm

re: #133 brookly red

still, not the location I would choose to build a city...

it's a done deal...don't dislike NOLA for that reason, there are plenty of others...it's teeming with history and culture and so unique that you just have to love it...unless of course you hate it because of it's location...get down there and see what I mean and don't be a poopist

139 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:49:55pm

re: #135 Pepper Fox

I also don't like milk :P but I guess I could sell that too. My goal is to become self sufficient enough to where if shit hits the fan I will be just fine, live off the grid if I have to. Still have a career and whatnot though.

Ever heard of Earth Box for growing veggies?

140 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:50:25pm

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

I like him.

don't EVER say that again around here

141 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:50:27pm

re: #137 HoosierHoops

Hi Tony.. I think I should have been born a Southie.. I like those boys that take no shit from anybody...LOL


And I wish I'd been from Yountville. Regular meals at Mustards and lots of wine would suit me just fine

142 checked08  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:50:28pm

re: #135 Pepper Fox

If you're just raising them for to slaughter, go bull. Much better quality meat.

143 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:50:45pm

re: #139 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ever heard of Earth Box for growing veggies?

No, is that some hydroponic system?

144 Racer X  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:51:26pm

Pop Quiz?

1. Name the one sport in which neither the spectators nor the participants know the score or the leader until the contest ends.

2. What famous North American landmark is constantly moving backward?

3. Of all vegetables, only two can live to produce on their own for several growing seasons. All other vegetables must be replanted every year. What are the only two perennial vegetables?

4. What fruit has its seeds on the outside? (easy)

5. In many liquor stores, you can buy pear brandy, with a real pear inside the bottle. The pear is whole and ripe, and the bottle is genuine; it hasn't been cut in any way. How did the pear get inside the bottle?

145 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:51:48pm

re: #143 Pepper Fox

No, is that some hydroponic system?

[Link: www.earthbox.com...]
It's a box.

146 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:51:55pm

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

I like him.

That's your prerogative, I'll give you that...I trust Al Gore about as far as I could throw him (which wouldn't be much).

147 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:52:11pm

re: #144 Racer X

Pop Quiz?

1. Name the one sport in which neither the spectators nor the participants know the score or the leader until the contest ends.

2. What famous North American landmark is constantly moving backward?

3. Of all vegetables, only two can live to produce on their own for several growing seasons. All other vegetables must be replanted every year. What are the only two perennial vegetables?

4. What fruit has its seeds on the outside? (easy)

5. In many liquor stores, you can buy pear brandy, with a real pear inside the bottle. The pear is whole and ripe, and the bottle is genuine; it hasn't been cut in any way. How did the pear get inside the bottle?

To Wikipedia!

148 Racer X  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:53:00pm

6. Only three words in standard English begin with the letters 'dw' and they are all common words.. Name two of them.

7. There are 14 punctuation marks in English grammar. Can you name at least half of them?


8. Name the only vegetable or fruit that is never sold frozen, canned, processed, cooked, or in any other form except fresh.

9. Name 6 or more things that you can wear on your feet beginning with the letter 'S...'

149 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:53:04pm

re: #136 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yep.

[Link: ask.yahoo.com...]

I was gonna say 9 ft...I believe that is about a deep as it gets, and I think that might be Jackson Square or somewhere near the Quarter...it varies, you can sort of see how it rolls up and down a bit from a hotel window or whatever

150 Racer X  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:53:09pm

re: #147 Pepper Fox

To Wikipedia!

Cheater!

151 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:53:19pm

re: #139 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ever heard of Earth Box for growing veggies?

I've looked at those before and they seem a little gimmicky. You could probably make your own system a hell of a lot cheaper. It would probably be simpler to just go with hydroponics.

152 brookly red  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:53:29pm

re: #138 albusteve

it's a done deal...don't dislike NOLA for that reason, there are plenty of others...it's teeming with history and culture and so unique that you just have to love it...unless of course you hate it because of it's location...get down there and see what I mean and don't be a poopist

2 things I don't want to do, look up & see the ocean or look across & see big cracks in the ground. It's just me. My sister used to live in Boulder CO, directly under one of the Flatiorns... I wasn't cool with that either.

153 jaunte  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:53:41pm

re: #129 Gus 802

I see by that decision that we may have a shot at suing the descendants of the French Monarchy to recover the funds:

As Albert Cowdrey wrote in ‘‘Land’s End,’’ a history of the Army Corps of Engineers’ battle with the lower Mississippi River: ‘‘When men set about building a civilization in the flood plain, they had to interfere with this natural balance. Unless they were willing to give up cities, towns, large-scale agriculture, and industry, and live at a subsistence level, the river had to be restrained.

‘‘To raise its natural levees was the simplest and cheapest course, and the first Europeans had hardly settled in the valley before they adopted it,’’ Cowdrey wrote.

As with much of the state’s early history, Louisiana State University fisheries biologist Richard Condrey says we can blame it on the French monarchy.

In 1719, Father Pierre Francois Xavier de Charlevoix was sent by King Louis XV of France to explore Canada and the Mississippi and make recommendations on how best to develop New France.

After three years of exploration, ‘‘He recommended to the king that French settlers should learn to live with the annual inundations of the river because it fed and fattened the land,’’ Condrey said. ‘‘The French knew that these annual overflows were very important to maintaining the fertility of the soil.

‘‘But the court wasn’t interested in long-term economic development or social equality,’’ Condrey said. ‘‘They were out to make a short-term profit, and leveeing quickly became the policy because they wanted the land cleared, the cypress out of the way, and the bison gone so they could build plantations.[Link: www.pulitzer.org...]

154 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:54:15pm

re: #149 albusteve

I was gonna say 9 ft...I believe that is about a deep as it gets, and I think that might be Jackson Square or somewhere near the Quarter...it varies, you can sort of see how it rolls up and down a bit from a hotel window or whatever

I am only 6 foot tall. So I would be fucked.:)

155 Pepper Fox  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:54:38pm

re: #145 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.earthbox.com...]
It's a box.

I move too much right now to set up a garden on my patio, live in an apartment and in school. Cool system though. If I live in one place for more than 2 years I will look in to getting a tomato one.

156 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:55:13pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

I've looked at those before and they seem a little gimmicky. You could probably make your own system a hell of a lot cheaper. It would probably be simpler to just go with hydroponics.

We had one at a BBQ joint I worked at. Cabbage heads like small boulders.

157 Gearhead  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:55:16pm

re: #144 Racer X

Pop Quiz?

1. Name the one sport in which neither the spectators nor the participants know the score or the leader until the contest ends.

2. What famous North American landmark is constantly moving backward?

3. Of all vegetables, only two can live to produce on their own for several growing seasons. All other vegetables must be replanted every year. What are the only two perennial vegetables?

4. What fruit has its seeds on the outside? (easy)

5. In many liquor stores, you can buy pear brandy, with a real pear inside the bottle. The pear is whole and ripe, and the bottle is genuine; it hasn't been cut in any way. How did the pear get inside the bottle?

1 - Politics
2 - The U.S. Treasury
3 - Jerry Lewis and Ron Paul
4 - Ron Paul
5 - Bottle placed over bud; pear grows in bottle. (Got a bottle of it just a few feet away).

158 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:55:33pm

re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am only 6 foot tall. So I would be fucked.:)

Unless you grow gills... ;-P

159 Gus  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:56:04pm

re: #153 jaunte

I see by that decision that we may have a shot at suing the descendants of the French Monarchy to recover the funds:

Yet another reason to hate blame the French!

‘‘He recommended to the king that French settlers should learn to live with the annual inundations of the river because it fed and fattened the land,’’ Condrey said. ‘‘The French knew that these annual overflows were very important to maintaining the fertility of the soil."

160 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:56:11pm

re: #146 talon_262

That's your prerogative, I'll give you that...I trust Al Gore about as far as I could throw him (which wouldn't be much).

it's not political with Walter...there must be another angle...Gore has a certain strut you know

161 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:56:15pm

re: #141 _RememberTonyC

And I wish I'd been from Yountville. Regular meals at Mustards and lots of wine would suit me just fine

You know Mustards? Holy Crap!
/Guys you take a date to Mustards in the Valley you are so getting laid..
I don't write the rules.. *wink*

162 jaunte  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:57:02pm

re: #159 Gus 802

I forgot the key paragraph:

The success in blocking the normal spring flood cycle meant that subsidence — the sinking of the coast’s waterlogged mix of sediment and organic soils under their own weight — became the overriding force for change along the coast.
[Link: www.pulitzer.org...]
163 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:57:16pm

I'm out, Fringe is coming on. See ya'll in the LNDT.

164 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:57:18pm

re: #152 brookly red

2 things I don't want to do, look up & see the ocean or look across & see big cracks in the ground. It's just me. My sister used to live in Boulder CO, directly under one of the Flatiorns... I wasn't cool with that either.

you need to live in a hot air balloon...problem solved

165 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:58:13pm

re: #161 HoosierHoops

You know Mustards? Holy Crap!
/Guys you take a date to Mustards in the Valley you are so getting laid..
I don't write the rules.. *wink*

hell yeah. when i was in wine country a few years ago, I stayed at a B&B called the Oleander Inn in Yountville. It was RIGHT NEXT DOOR to Mustards on Hwy 29. And I did get some "bootay" as a matter of fact!

166 brookly red  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:58:19pm

re: #164 albusteve

you need to live in a hot air balloon...problem solved

did I mention I don't like hights...

167 Racer X  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:58:43pm

re: #144 Racer X

Pop Quiz?

1. Name the one sport in which neither the spectators nor the participants know the score or the leader until the contest ends.
Boxing

2. What famous North American landmark is constantly moving backward?
Niagara Falls

3. Of all vegetables, only two can live to produce on their own for several growing seasons. All other vegetables must be replanted every year. What are the only two perennial vegetables?
Asparagus and Rhubarb

4. What fruit has its seeds on the outside? (easy)
Strawberry

5. In many liquor stores, you can buy pear brandy, with a real pear inside the bottle. The pear is whole and ripe, and the bottle is genuine; it hasn't been cut in any way. How did the pear get inside the bottle?

The bottles are placed over pear buds when they are small, and are wired in place on the tree. The bottle is left in place for the entire growing season. When the pears are ripe, they are snipped off at the stems.

168 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:59:02pm

re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am only 6 foot tall. So I would be fucked.:)

learn to float...it's easy, float right passed the busses over to the Super Dome

169 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:59:46pm

re: #166 brookly red

did I mention I don't like hights...

re: #166 brookly red

did I mention I don't like hights...

okay...let me work on it

170 Gus  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:00:24pm

BBL - need to get some grub.

171 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:00:39pm

re: #161 HoosierHoops

I thought of you, yesterday, when I saw the French Laundry Cookbook for sale!

Hi Hoops!

172 Racer X  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:00:54pm

re: #148 Racer X

6. Only three words in standard English begin with the letters 'dw' and they are all common words.. Name two of them.
Dwarf, dwell and dwindle.

7. There are 14 punctuation marks in English grammar. Can you name at least half of them?
Period, comma, colon, semicolon, dash, hyphen, apostrophe, question mark, exclamation point,quotation marks, brackets, parenthesis, braces, and ellipses.

8. Name the only vegetable or fruit that is never sold frozen, canned, processed, cooked, or in any other form except fresh.
Lettuce

9. Name 6 or more things that you can wear on your feet beginning with the letter 'S...'
Shoes, socks, sandals, sneakers, slippers, skis, skates, snowshoes, stockings, stilts.

173 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:01:37pm

passed = past
I never new that

174 cliffster  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:04:12pm

re: #173 albusteve

passed = past
I never new that

I maid you say that.

175 brookly red  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:04:18pm

re: #172 Racer X

9. Name 6 or more things that you can wear on your feet beginning with the letter 'S...'
Shoes, socks, sandals, sneakers, slippers, skis, skates, snowshoes, stockings, stilts.

& shit if your not careful...

176 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:05:33pm

re: #165 _RememberTonyC

hell yeah. when i was in wine country a few years ago, I stayed at a B&B called the Oleander Inn in Yountville. It was RIGHT NEXT DOOR to Mustards on Hwy 29. And I did get some "bootay" as a matter of fact!

What a small world..When you get exactly 1 1/2 miles from Yountville there is an exit called Washington exit off 29.. That's where I was raised...Tiny little town and you know it..Cool...When I return from Singapore in Spring I'm going to Boston to see the Sox play..My lifelong dream.. Let's get together..
Kind Regards

177 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:08:44pm

re: #176 HoosierHoops

What a small world..When you get exactly 1 1/2 miles from Yountville there is an exit called Washington exit off 29.. That's where I was raised...Tiny little town and you know it..Cool...When I return from Singapore in Spring I'm going to Boston to see the Sox play..My lifelong dream.. Let's get together..
Kind Regards


I live in Connecticut now, halfway between NY and Boston. But if we get this thing together, I guarantee it will be worth your time.

178 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:09:29pm

re: #135 Pepper Fox

I also don't like milk :P but I guess I could sell that too. My goal is to become self sufficient enough to where if shit hits the fan I will be just fine, live off the grid if I have to. Still have a career and whatnot though.

Have you had milk cows before? Lot's of work and rules for raw milk resale vary by state. Here in Ohio, it's illegal to sell raw milk as food...unless your feeding it to a dog. I love the things and think they should be part of every community, hell the Brits walk 'em down the highway to feed. The only domesticated animal that does not have a feral version.

179 Racer X  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:10:07pm

Will Eating Yogurt Help You Lose Weight?

You’ve probably heard that a diet rich in low-fat dairy, including low-fat yogurt, may help you trim the inches from your waistline. Now, new research from scientists at Washington University might offer more reason to jump on the yogurt bandwagon. According to a study just published in the journal "Science Translational Medicine", there could be a link between the type of bacteria in your stomach and the amount of fat you carry around your middle.

When scientists from Washington University’s School of Medicine took stomach bugs from mice eating fatty foods and injected them into the stomachs of lean mice on plant-based diets, they discovered that, despite their healthier diets, the lean mice started packing on the pounds, too. "Switching from the low-fat, plant polysaccharide-rich diet to a high-fat, high-sugar ‘Western’ diet shifted the microbiota within a single day," explains the study’s lead investigator, Jeffrey Gordon, M.D. in the abstract.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:11:27pm

re: #30 EmmmieG

I'll be honest; I'll bother to learn about Alex Jones if someone I care about starts following him.

My MIL is listening to his stuff. It worries me.

181 cliffster  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:11:32pm

re: #135 Pepper Fox

I also don't like milk :P but I guess I could sell that too. My goal is to become self sufficient enough to where if shit hits the fan I will be just fine, live off the grid if I have to. Still have a career and whatnot though.

That's sweet. Have you already bought the land?

182 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:11:48pm

re: #43 albusteve

beautiful picture...probably Katrina

since the name of the image is "katrina large", I would say you are correct.

183 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:11:50pm

re: #171 Floral Giraffe

I thought of you, yesterday, when I saw the French Laundry Cookbook for sale!

Hi Hoops!

Hi Beautiful! Hope today finds you well...The french laundry used to be the Yountville Cafe...Once Julie Childs Bought it takes a 3 month RSVP to get in...If you aren't a gazzilonare movie star you aren't getting in...When we were kids Mom and Dad took us there for Sunday Morning Breakfast...
I have never been to the French Laundry...
Wish I was Brad Pitt.. *wink*

184 albusteve  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:15:16pm

re: #182 reine.de.tout

since the name of the image is "katrina large", I would say you are correct.

I didn't see that...therefore I'm the best guesser in the world

185 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:15:38pm

re: #183 HoosierHoops

Hi Beautiful! Hope today finds you well...The french laundry used to be the Yountville Cafe...Once Julie Childs Bought it takes a 3 month RSVP to get in...If you aren't a gazzilonare movie star you aren't getting in...When we were kids Mom and Dad took us there for Sunday Morning Breakfast...
I have never been to the French Laundry...
Wish I was Brad Pitt.. *wink*

You'd get to have sex with Angelina.

186 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:15:58pm

re: #179 Racer X

Interesting. I started taking one of those yogurt type stomach bacteria supplements for stomach problems. Seems to work pretty well for far.

187 Lidane  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:16:34pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

My MIL is listening to his stuff. It worries me.

It *should* worry you. Jones is a paranoid nutbar. Listening to his ranting and raving should be discouraged whenever possible.

188 cliffster  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:16:38pm

re: #179 Racer X

Off-balance microflora in the intestines have been implicated in a number of things. Besides just outright GI difficulties, sufferers of asthma, autism, and many other childhood problems have seen their symptoms improved by improving their GI bacteria.

189 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:16:41pm

re: #183 HoosierHoops

I wanted to peek inside the book & see what kind of recipes there were!
*sniff* it was shrink wrapped...
( I was gonna be a star in the next LGF cookbook, too...)
LOL!

Hope today finds you well!

190 cliffster  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:17:30pm

re: #185 MandyManners

You'd get to have sex with Angelina.

There's not really a lot of downside to being Brad Pitt. I should know. I, actually, am Brad Pitt.

191 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:18:16pm

re: #190 cliffster

There's not really a lot of downside to being Brad Pitt. I should know. I, actually, am Brad Pitt.

will you adopt some of us?

192 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:23:09pm

re: #177 _RememberTonyC

I live in Connecticut now, halfway between NY and Boston. But if we get this thing together, I guarantee it will be worth your time.

Just to brag a bit.. When I was a Kid I drove my folks caddie from Yountville to Napa at the Redwood exit in 9 minutes.. Can't be done? At a 120 MPH it can be done..I did it will a cute little girl...
Lucky to be alive...That's why I never trusted my kids...I know what you are thinking... *wink*

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:24:24pm

re: #148 Racer X

6. Only three words in standard English begin with the letters 'dw' and they are all common words.. Name two of them.

7. There are 14 punctuation marks in English grammar. Can you name at least half of them?


8. Name the only vegetable or fruit that is never sold frozen, canned, processed, cooked, or in any other form except fresh.

9. Name 6 or more things that you can wear on your feet beginning with the letter 'S...'

dwell, dwarf, dwindle

period, comma, exclamation point, question mark, colon, semi-colon, dash, apostrophe, parentheses, quotation marks...

uh, watermelon?

shoes, sandals, slides...gawd, I don't know!

194 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:25:12pm

re: #192 HoosierHoops

Just to brag a bit.. When I was a Kid I drove my folks caddie from Yountville to Napa at the Redwood exit in 9 minutes.. Can't be done? At a 120 MPH it can be done..I did it will a cute little girl...
Lucky to be alive...That's why I never trusted my kids...I know what you are thinking... *wink*

what i'm thinking is "I'm glad I don't have daughters." I'd kill some dudes :)

195 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:25:41pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Would you please dial it back? Last night you went after Ludwig, and I updinged you because I felt he was out of line. Tonight you're going after Killgore and its starting to be a bit over the top. The way you are talking is more geared towards starting fights than having a useful conversation. Please dial back the snark for a bit.

I'll dial it back. Just don't understand why a conservative is expected to sit back and listen to accusations of insane trutherism and impending mass-evil as the soon-to-be-norm on the Right and not be expected to take some umbrage to it.

196 borgcube  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:26:16pm

CNN: Sarah Palin.
Fox News: Sarah Palin
CBS/NBC/ABC: Sarah Palin and Oprah.
MSNBC: Maddow- Anti-Islam bashing sounds like McCarthyism. She's Glenn Beck on the left. Hey, at least it's not Sarah Palin. Oops, she just said Sarah Palin is a McCarthyist.

Make. It. Stop.

Please?

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:30:07pm

re: #196 borgcube

CNN: Sarah Palin.
Fox News: Sarah Palin
CBS/NBC/ABC: Sarah Palin and Oprah.
MSNBC: Maddow- Anti-Islam bashing sounds like McCarthyism. She's Glenn Beck on the left. Hey, at least it's not Sarah Palin. Oops, she just said Sarah Palin is a McCarthyist.

Make. It. Stop.

Please?

Sarah Palin is not a McCarthyist, that I know of. However Michelle Bachmann's bit about investigating Congress for anti-American tendencies worried me.

198 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:30:30pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Interesting. I started taking one of those yogurt type stomach bacteria supplements for stomach problems. Seems to work pretty well for far.

Probiotics? Your better off going with a yogurt like Stony Field Farms then a commercially manufactured bacteria source. Stoney Field far exceeds the recommendations of of the National Yogurt Association for live cultures in their product. Family farms, cow friendly, environmentally sound and taste better, too. My daughter suffers from intestinal motility disorder - stomach bacteria, calcium absorption, vitamin C and poop inspection are pretty big around here.

199 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:33:15pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Interesting. I started taking one of those yogurt type stomach bacteria supplements for stomach problems. Seems to work pretty well for far.

Kefir, if you can find it (and it's in a lot of places, not just hippy groceries) is excellent. easier, for me at least, than yogurt to digest (lactose problems) and chock-full of what you need.

Jeff in Ohio's right, though, get local whenever you can. It'll be fresher and have more cultures.

200 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:34:35pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

dwell, dwarf, dwindle

period, comma, exclamation point, question mark, colon, semi-colon, dash, apostrophe, parentheses, quotation marks...

uh, watermelon?

shoes, sandals, slides...gawd, I don't know!

Holy Crap! Who knows?
You will notice that no one in the whole world will ever post here..'Jeez the Hoopster is one smart dude' The day that happens it's the end of the world...
I'm proud my kids are really smart...Better them than me...What I taught my children can't be learned in school...We taught them love..Strength and humbleness..and hard work...I am very proud of them.

201 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:34:36pm

re: #199 Guanxi88

Kefir - good stuff.

202 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:37:03pm

re: #201 Jeff In Ohio

Kefir - good stuff.

koumiss, though harder to find, is excellent. Even got a little alcohol in it from the fermentation. Kinda weird at first, but quite pleasant.

203 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:42:42pm

re: #202 Guanxi88

koumiss, though harder to find, is excellent. Even got a little alcohol in it from the fermentation. Kinda weird at first, but quite pleasant.

Interesting, mare's milk. That's a new one for me. Thanks.

204 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 7:19:21pm

Same shit, different day. Right wing pundits like Rush will denounce the conspiracy mongers eight ways 'til Sunday when they are going after a Republican admin., then turn around a pimp their nonsense when they're going after a Democrat admin.

This is the same kind of crap that went on during the Clinton admin., with Right Wing pundits airing conspiracies concocted by loons. Jones has not changed his stripes since then, it's the opportunistic pundits that sway this way and that to his nutter winds.

205 SuperdaveTWC  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 8:23:03pm

The only truth in the entire anthropogenic global warming hysteria is that there is a planet called "Earth". As a scientist, I believe the null hypothesis when it comes to extraordinary claims. Unfortunately, too many scientists are easily bought. Most of them, ironically, are the academics and government scientists, while the industrial scientists are usually MUCH more academically honest simply because they have no personal financial or political reason not to be. You see, in business, being wrong in your conclusions is FAR more hazardous to your career than in academia, where tenured professors are darn near impossible to fire, or government, where we are even more difficult to fire than academicians.

Having been in all three spheres, I speak from experience. Academics want money for lots of cool toys and big research groups with lots of grad students and postdocs who publish lots of papers, thereby making the academic scientist famous. In government, your superiors are politicians, therefore your career is dependent upon politics. Your funding for doing what you want to do depends upon the whims of congress, the President, and his cabinet members and other SES appointees.

Industrial scientists live and die with their companies. The companies rely on the scientists' honesty, intelligence, diligence, creativity, and integrity. If industrial scientists put out crap, the company loses its R&D investment and can fail, taking the scientists with it.

206 Alan K. Henderson  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:03:42pm

It appears that Rush and other folks are linking Alex Jones because he's the original source. Alex is the only one who shows up in Google News for the phrase gore photoshop earth.

Even freakazoids get the scoop every great once in a while.

I dont' fault Gore for photoshopping - I fault him with dumb photoshopping, with the equatorial hurricane and the Florida storm spinning clockwise instead of counterclockwise.

Not to mention the completely-submerged Cuba. Its highest elevation, Pico Turquino, is 6,476 ft. A majority of US states don't go that high up.

The back cover of We Are The Earthquake Generation has greater regard for the laws of physics.

207 carnaby  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:41:15pm

And he could have gone with a real scientist like Richard Lindzen, Argh!

208 lostlakehiker  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:01:24pm

re: #60 Pepper Fox

Frankly I don't think it matters really if global warming exists or if it's a natural cycle or what, we should just do common sense stuff like recycle and get rid of coal plants and conserve and use public transit and not drive a pickup/SUV unless you need it for work, not for compensation. It's not hard people.

It's harder than that. If you get rid of coal plants without putting in place nuclear, wind, solar, and natural gas for backup substitutes, electricity will have to be rationed severely, either by price or by kwh's. Cutting usage by 60% or so would do dramatic harm to the economy.

AGW is a problem, but the answer isn't as easy as "simply" doing without coal.

209 SixDegrees  Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:58:38pm

re: #205 SuperdaveTWC

As a scientist, I believe the null hypothesis when it comes to extraordinary claims.

It's surprising to find a scientist who doesn't know what the "null hypothesis" means, and is unable to use it correctly in a sentence.

210 philosophus invidius  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 6:27:32am

re: #205 SuperdaveTWC

That's ridiculous. It is also ironic since you say you are a scientist, but dismiss all the scientific evidence without any evidence of your own. Then you present a kind of sociological theory about how academic scientists can't be trusted. But that sociological theory is pure speculation without any evidence of its own and that doesn't even seem coherent.

211 funky chicken  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 7:03:24am

re: #22 Gus 802

Ah yes. "The Great Alex Jones according to Fox News' "Judge" Napolitano. Now he has a new friend, Rush Limbaugh. Seems like Alex Jones is finding a wider and more accepting audience with the right than he did with the left. Now that Rush has opened the door he will find even greater airplay with the pitch fork and torches crowds.

If at first you don't succeed...

How pathetic that he's popular with the in-crowd of the supposed "grown up" party. Blech.

212 Don  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 8:27:58am

If you take a half dozen plans by second and third world nations to cripple the U.S. economy and/or Western nations as a whole and take a half dozen plans to combat global warming and put them all in a hat, mix them up, and give them to someone...you wouldn't be able tell which were which.

Too many nations view efforts to address global warming as an opportunity to take the U.S. down a notch. Forgive me if I don't jump on that bandwagon.

When someone comes up with a truly fair "solution" I'll give it a look, until then I'll defend our nation from attack whether it's by armor or by treaty any way I can including undermining the premises the on which such attacks are based.

213 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:13:58am

re: #16 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, and hurricane season has been very quite since '04.

You realize we made it all the way to Zeta in '05
'06 was average on number of hurricanes and storms, with a low average ACE.
'07 had 15 named storms and an average ACE
'08 was VERY active with 16 named storms and 5 major hurricanes and right on the edge of being considered a hyper active year via ACE

now this year, this year is a slow year on hurricanes. It should be noted that 2006, 2007 and this year have been years with strong El Nino conditions which as a general rule inhibit hurricane formation due to the strong windshear generated by the change in the global air patterns.

I know I'm posting late in the thread but I thought it would be good to get the information out.

214 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 1:15:54pm
215 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 1:18:19pm

re: #214 craginm

Used to love it, huh? What years were your other two comments posted in?

216 Alan K. Henderson  Fri, Nov 20, 2009 11:55:02pm

One wonders if Limbaugh had ever heard of Alex Jones before the story broke out. I'm only faintly familiar with the name, and I'm in the blogosphere.

(Googling...)

Infowars! That guy! I've heard about that site, but I'm not really familiar with it. Hm, small-time radio talk show. I do vaguely recall the Malkin dustup.

Rush has taken the PrisonPlanet links and mentions from his website (he links NewsBusters instead), and Alex Jones is not happy.

Looking at PrisonPlanet, it seems he's almost as successful as Fred Phelps at alienating as many Americans as possible. Opponent of ObamaCare (not that there's anything wrong with that), hung up on "neo-cons" (whatever they are) and Bilderburgers, labels Bush a fascist on his own merchandise - who does that leave for an audience, other than Ronulans?

217 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 9:58:56am

re: #216 Alan K. Henderson

One wonders if Limbaugh had ever heard of Alex Jones before the story broke out.

Oh please.

218 Alan K. Henderson  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 9:34:42pm

re: #217 Charles

Well, Limbaugh doesn't talk about every single person he's paid attention to (who does?), so yes, I do wonder. What do you expect - for me to claim to know something without evidence?

But there is Google...it appears that this 2006 Infowars article documents the first time Limbaugh heard of Jones. Dig the title: Limbaugh Attacks "Democrat Kook" Alex Jones On Plane Crash Story

Here's the relevant segment from the Thursday October 12th broadcast.

"Ladies and gentlemen during the break a friend of mine sent me an e mail - I don't visit the Democrat kook websites much anymore but a friend does - (laughs) it's just funny."

"What is this site? Prison Planet.com [sic]."

"It's an article here by Alex Jones - now I'm told I don't know this for certain - I am told that Alex Jones is one of the leaders of the '9/11 was a government conspiracy' campaign - one of the leaders of the movement trying to prove that 9/11 was not what it...that the Bush administration was behind it for whatever nefarious purpose."

Is it possible that Limbaugh eventually forgot about Jones since then? Maybe. Lots of people forget about what are, from their perspectives, one-news-story wonders.

How do you treat a real news story - a nominally scientific book whose cover depicts a scientifically impossible rendition of what the Earth could look like some day - whose source is a kook fringe website? Run some kind of disclaimer. Don't even address the kookiness (if one is a news site and not an opinion site like this here blog or mine) - just say something on the order of "hey, this is an opinion site, but the images ain't opinion."

And never de-link one of your Internet sources from your Web-published articles without explanation. It would have been better for Limbaugh to keep the Jones link and to throw in appropriate disclaimers.

Here's something you might not know: NewsBusters linked PrisonPlanet! Not the original story (it probably got the book images from Watts Up With That), but in the second update. Prison Planeteer Tom Nelson reported a bit of literary melodrama; one page in the book is empty except for the following:

"I’m offering you the choice of life or death. You can choose either blessings or curses."
– Deuteronomy Chapter 30, Verse 19
(New International Reader's Version)

A reader submitted a cell phone pic of the page.

219 Alan K. Henderson  Sat, Nov 21, 2009 9:37:30pm

Oops, the sentence "Here's the relevant segment from the Thursday October 12th broadcast" should be part of the block quote - that's the first sentence of the Infowars excerpt, right before its Limbaugh excerpt.


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