1 | Irenicum Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:02:57pm |
Well, I made it to NYC in one piece! What's everyone having for Thanksgiving?
2 | freetoken Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:04:00pm |
Tracks in the sand... echos of tires gone by... evidence of man, or woman.
Birds' tracks shrink to insignificance by comparison.
Humans, or birds? ... that is the question.
The answer:
8 | freetoken Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:10:02pm |
re: #7 Irenicum
It was actually credited to "Coldplay", but I think that is in error.
9 | Irenicum Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:11:25pm |
re: #8 freetoken
Ya think? But who knows, maybe even they could go all traditional on us.
10 | ghazidor Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:11:51pm |
Tomorrow at 5:00 Dinner at my Aunts, mom, dad, sister, brother, and their families will all be there. Turkey, ham, stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, candied yams, green bean caserole, rolls, fresh bread, melon and fruit tray, pickle olive and vegetable tray w/dip, Jello creamcheese mold, apple pie, pecan pie. Plus whatever else I am forgetting...
12 | freetoken Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:13:39pm |
13 | Irenicum Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:14:36pm |
re: #10 ausador
I'm already hungry! Sounds wonderful. Have a great time. I'm having dinner with friends and hoping to see my sis while I'm here. I'm all about the stuffing and the pumpkin pie.
14 | Irenicum Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:17:21pm |
re: #12 freetoken
What a great rhythm! More jazzy than usual. And that's OK with me. Thanks!
15 | Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:18:57pm |
How about some Moody Blues?
16 | Boogberg Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:19:55pm |
re: #14 Irenicum
Gotta love that brush on the snare. Very expressive.
17 | Irenicum Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:20:16pm |
re: #15 Bubblehead II
I saw then them several times live. I loved them back in the day!
18 | reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:24:24pm |
Hello all, and also good night!
I want to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving tomorrow! I hope everyone enjoys family and friends . ..
19 | Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:25:10pm |
re: #17 Irenicum
Like most of the bands I like, they were popular while I was still in grade school.
/ dating myself, as are you ;-)
21 | Irenicum Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:27:05pm |
re: #20 Irenicum
Oops, double posted there. Sorry! Have a great Thanksgiving reine!
And as I was saying to Bubblehead...
22 | Irenicum Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:28:17pm |
re: #15 Bubblehead II
Here's a song that I was thinking of earlier tonight. it's always been a favorite of mine.
23 | freetoken Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:28:26pm |
re: #14 Irenicum
The best Jazz interpretation of that ballet remains Ellington's, IMO:
[Link: www.last.fm...]
24 | Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:28:34pm |
re: #18 reine.de.tout
Night Reine. Should be heading that way myself, but took a nap and now find myself in that awkward posisition of being half awake and half asleep.
/ LGF, It's not just for Insomniac's anymore.
25 | Irenicum Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:30:28pm |
re: #24 Bubblehead II
Same here. Still wound up from the trip. Eventually I'll become incoherent enough to turn to bed.
26 | Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:31:23pm |
re: #22 Irenicum
Chuckle... I was thinking of linking to that one for my post, but decided on Ride My See Saw.
Here is another one. House of Four Doors.
27 | Irenicum Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:32:45pm |
re: #23 freetoken
Listening as I speak. The Duke is amazing.
28 | ghazidor Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:33:03pm |
Has anyone else ever wandered over to the internet archives and watched the TV news footage from 9/11?
They have ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, BBC, and CNN footage of each networks broadcast that day and for the next two days. Starting from before the first plane impact and then going 24 hours a day from there in 20-40 min. streaming blocks. It definately still hits hard to see it again, it brings that day right back to life, sadness and anger both.
Anyway, not trying to bum people out on a holiday, I just wanted to let people know it was there if anyone was ever interested in ever looking at it.
[Link: www.archive.org...]
29 | Irenicum Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:35:16pm |
re: #28 ausador
I remember that day all too well. Thanks for the link, but I'll pass for tonight at least. I never thought I'd use the words mesmerized and horror in the same sentence, but that day I did.
30 | Irenicum Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:38:16pm |
re: #19 Bubblehead II
I'm "only" 40 something. That's not that old!
31 | Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:39:24pm |
33 | Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:43:03pm |
re: #30 Irenicum
Tell that to my right knee. :-)
/ Sure Chief, dropping down the ladder is going to screw up my knees.
34 | Irenicum Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:43:40pm |
Well kids, I just wanted to stop by and see what was happenin' in the neighborhood. It seems that the Bleck thread is still the hot joint for now. I need sleep. Peace out to y'all! See ya on the other side!
35 | Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:44:27pm |
re: #34 Irenicum
Night. Looks like I am going to be here for a bit.
36 | Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:46:00pm |
Hmmm. I wonder what this button does?
37 | Gus Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:48:28pm |
I went to a Methodist memorial yesterday. It was for a man I worked with for a time that was born in 1926. He was rather successful in his trade and there was at least 300 people there, maybe 500. A WWII Navy vet and a Democrat; his wife, a Republican.
It was hard at times to keep my composure and even the Pastoral Benediction made me, an atheist, shed a tear. It's hard to hear a son or daughter speak about their recently deceased father. I had to prepare myself before they played taps which they did. I nodded to the Pastor as I left as he did too if not first.
I find these words poetic:
Psalm 23
The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
I will spend my Thanksgiving alone.
39 | Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:54:20pm |
re: #37 Gus 802
"I will spend my Thanksgiving alone."
Actually, you will not, for I suspect you will be here at LGF and therefore you will be with "family".
My condolences on the passing of your friend.
40 | Boogberg Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:55:56pm |
41 | Gus Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:57:08pm |
re: #39 Bubblehead II
"I will spend my Thanksgiving alone."
Actually, you will not, for I suspect you will be here at LGF and therefore you will be with "family".
My condolences on the passing of your friend.
Thank you. I reckon I will. :)
42 | Bagua Wed, Nov 25, 2009 11:58:27pm |
re: #39 Bubblehead II
"I will spend my Thanksgiving alone."
Actually, you will not, for I suspect you will be here at LGF and therefore you will be with "family".
My condolences on the passing of your friend.
I too suspect you will find your self here among your friends.
43 | Bagua Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:00:19am |
re: #15 Bubblehead II
How about some Moody Blues?
Did someone mention the Blues?
Sleepy John Estes - Mailman Blues
44 | Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:02:12am |
re: #40 Boogberg
Isn't You Tube fun. I am finding songs by some of my favorite bands that I never knew existed.
Never Comes The Day.
45 | Bagua Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:02:37am |
46 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:04:25am |
re: #37 Gus 802
I will spend my Thanksgiving alone.
Oh no you won't. A couple of clicks of the mouse is all it takes. :)
47 | Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:06:44am |
re: #42 Bagua
Yep. Just can't seem to stay away from this place. Some days it's like watching a slow motion train wreck, others it's like a family reunion and talking with a relative you haven't seen for years that soon devolves into a slow motion train wreck.
wash,rinse,repeat.
God, I love this place!
48 | Bagua Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:06:51am |
re: #41 Gus 802
Time is relative, and distance changes your perspective, I can tell you.
Blind Willie Johnson - Dark War the Night
49 | Gus Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:09:39am |
re: #46 Boogberg
Oh no you won't. A couple of clicks of the mouse is all it takes. :)
True. It's actually a tradition with me anyway since my family is 1000s of miles away. Just another day to cue up the Ray Charles.
50 | Bagua Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:14:26am |
re: #47 Bubblehead II
God, I love this place!
Wonderful...
tonight we saw an AGW thread hotly debated past 1,000 comments, yet it remained civil, reasonable and friendly right to the end!
52 | Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:19:16am |
53 | Gus Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:23:43am |
55 | Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:24:56am |
re: #50 Bagua
Nice to hear that. Tend to stay out of the AGW,GB,SP and like threads as they tend to get a bit heated. That and I don't really have much to contribute. %-)
56 | Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:26:19am |
59 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:31:13am |
re: #44 Bubblehead II
Isn't You Tube fun. I am finding songs by some of my favorite bands that I never knew existed.
Never Comes The Day.
Oh yeah, I love Youtube. When I'm in the mood to listen to music, I'll try to think of the most obscure songs from my life and sure enough, someone has uploaded it to Youtube. lol
60 | ryannon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:35:33am |
re: #48 Bagua
Time is relative, and distance changes your perspective, I can tell you.
[Video]Blind Willie Johnson - Dark Was the Night
And his other immortal track,
61 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:50:44am |
re: #48 Bagua
Time is relative, and distance changes your perspective, I can tell you.
Blind Willie Johnson - Dark War the Night
I'll see your Blind Willie, and raise you a Django Reinhardt :)
62 | Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:51:43am |
Major Fail on the part of the Secret Service.
Uninvited guests crash White House dinner
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Secret Service is investigating how an uninvited couple was admitted to U.S. President Barack Obama's White House state dinner, penetrating layers of security, a spokesman said on Wednesday.
63 | Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:54:21am |
Time to call it night.
L8R
/Never should have pushed that last button
65 | Digital Display Thu, Nov 26, 2009 12:59:42am |
re: #62 Bubblehead II
Major Fail on the part of the Secret Service.
Uninvited guests crash White House dinner
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Secret Service is investigating how an uninvited couple was admitted to U.S. President Barack Obama's White House state dinner, penetrating layers of security, a spokesman said on Wednesday.
OK ya caught me...Somebody said the Dead was playing and I walked in...What? Did I eat too much?
*wink*
66 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 1:05:26am |
Looks like some of our Secret Service dudes need to watch Guarding Tess :D
I kid, but actually it's not funny.
67 | Digital Display Thu, Nov 26, 2009 1:07:15am |
re: #66 Boogberg
Looks like some of our Secret Service dudes need to watch Guarding Tess :D
I kid, but actually it's not funny.
Did you see the menu? I'd sneak in too..just for the food...
How are you doing this morning?
Happy thanksgiving everyone
68 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 1:15:35am |
re: #67 HoosierHoops
Doin' good! Still got half a bottle of wine left. :D
Happy Thanksgiving to you and the rest of the gang as well!
69 | Digital Display Thu, Nov 26, 2009 1:16:55am |
re: #68 Boogberg
Doin' good! Still got half a bottle of wine left. :D
Happy Thanksgiving to you and the rest of the gang as well!
What kind of wine?
I'm watching American Gangster then going to hit the sack..Good movie
70 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 1:24:17am |
Something called 'Sangria Zinfandel'. It's pretty disgusting, but it was on sale at the grocery store. Tastes like fucking koolaid for cryin' out loud! :D
71 | Digital Display Thu, Nov 26, 2009 1:28:11am |
re: #70 Boogberg
Something called 'Sangria Zinfandel'. It's pretty disgusting, but it was on sale at the grocery store. Tastes like fucking koolaid for cryin' out loud! :D
LOL
We do what we must do...
72 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Nov 26, 2009 3:25:03am |
Morning Lizards.
Met FBV for a couple beers last night since I am visiting his stomping grounds. So cool to meet another lizard!
74 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:04:15am |
Read elsewhere:
Q: How many climate scientists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. There's a consensus that it's going to change, so they've decided to keep us in the dark.
75 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:11:27am |
re: #72 rwdflynavy
Morning Lizards.
Met FBV for a couple beers last night since I am visiting his stomping grounds. So cool to meet another lizard!
He mentioned last night that he meet another lizard but didn't name names. Next time, waterboarding.
//
76 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:18:20am |
re: #62 Bubblehead II
Major Fail on the part of the Secret Service.
Uninvited guests crash White House dinner
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Secret Service is investigating how an uninvited couple was admitted to U.S. President Barack Obama's White House state dinner, penetrating layers of security, a spokesman said on Wednesday.
The couple, described by The Washington Post as aspiring reality-TV stars and polo-playing socialites, were seen arriving at the White House.
Ah ha! Is this the angle?
77 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:18:25am |
re: #75 Cannadian Club Akbar
He mentioned last night that he meet another lizard but didn't name names. Next time, waterboarding.
//
I recognized his face from his avatar!
78 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:19:18am |
I have to go to mom's today. She started making chow yesterday morning. Then later I have 2 friends who live side by side. One is smoking a turkey breast, the other is deep frying a turkey. I have a new pair of long-shorts with an elastic waistband. That is the key to success.:)
79 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:20:43am |
re: #76 MandyManners
I am an aspiring brewmaster. Think I can sneek into a Budweiser plant?
80 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:22:05am |
re: #79 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am an aspiring brewmaster. Think I can sneek into a Budweiser plant?
How's about trying to sneak into the distillery that makes Basil Hayden's? I'll bail you out if you get caught.
81 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:22:11am |
Cooking has begun in earnest. There will be pie.
82 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:23:20am |
re: #80 MandyManners
How's about trying to sneak into the distillery that makes Basil Hayden's? I'll bail you out if you get caught.
A friend will bail you out of jail. A real friend will be sitting next to you in the cell.
83 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:26:50am |
It's gonna be 72 degrees today. Just like the original Thanksgiving.
/
85 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:31:51am |
re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar
A friend will bail you out of jail. A real friend will be sitting next to you in the cell.
Guess I'm not a real friend.
87 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:32:07am |
re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar
It's gonna be 72 degrees today. Just like the original Thanksgiving.
/
*whack*
88 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:32:26am |
89 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:33:14am |
Hmmm...I'm not getting kicked to the front page today. If the cause is my IE, why isn't it happening today?
91 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:35:32am |
92 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:36:27am |
re: #88 MandyManners
GOBBLEGOBBLEGOBBLE!
Every November the local TV station has a graphic of a turkey that they use when the weather information is flashed onscreen. The turkey is smiling.
Has no one discussed with this turkey exactly how Thanksgiving Dinner is prepared? :)
93 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:38:12am |
re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar
Gremlins.
Thanksgiving Gremlins. The regular gremlins have the day off, and the Thanksgiving Gremlins work one day a year.
They'll screw things up in new and interesting ways because they don't know any better!
94 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:39:03am |
re: #92 SteveC
A man is ordering dinner in a restaurant. He ask the waiter, "How do you prepare the chicken?" The waiter responds, "We don't. They pretty much know they are gonna die."
95 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:40:59am |
re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar
A man is ordering dinner in a restaurant. He ask the waiter, "How do you prepare the chicken?" The waiter responds, "We don't. They pretty much know they are gonna die."
My niece will love that one. I'll tell her later today.
96 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:41:39am |
re: #92 SteveC
Every November the local TV station has a graphic of a turkey that they use when the weather information is flashed onscreen. The turkey is smiling.
Has no one discussed with this turkey exactly how Thanksgiving Dinner is prepared? :)
And, to think that Franklin wanted the turkey to be our national bird.
What would we be eating today if that had happened? A bald eagle?
97 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:43:11am |
re: #96 MandyManners
And, to think that Franklin wanted the turkey to be our national bird.
What would we be eating today if that had happened? A bald eagle?
Hassenfeffer!
98 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:44:11am |
99 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:47:05am |
100 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:48:57am |
re: #98 MandyManners
What would the vegetarian version be? Tofu Bunny Fu Fu?
How should I know? It's 7:45 AM on Thanksgiving morning - not only is my brain powered down, it's still in its little wooden box on my nightstand!
Go ask FBV! :)
(Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, Mandy!)
101 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:51:13am |
re: #100 SteveC
How should I know? It's 7:45 AM on Thanksgiving morning - not only is my brain powered down, it's still in its little wooden box on my nightstand!
Go ask FBV! :)
(Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, Mandy!)
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, too, Steve!
104 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:54:21am |
105 | Capitalist Tool Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:55:01am |
I give thanks that I have been with all of you for these few years.
Bless each and every one of you and may your highest needs be met.
108 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:57:18am |
re: #105 Capitalist Tool
I give thanks that I have been with all of you for these few years.
Bless each and every one of you and may your highest needs be met.
(((Capitalist Tool)))
Same for you, my dear.
109 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:58:31am |
re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
hyah!
There was little Billie Jim
and funky Sammy Wong
They said "We brought the cranberries!
Let's eat 'em all!"
110 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 4:59:03am |
re: #105 Capitalist Tool
I give thanks that I have been with all of you for these few years.
Bless each and every one of you and may your highest needs be met.
Ding whore.
/
111 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:00:06am |
Not to be a buzzkill but I saw this coming and I'm still pissed...
Remember the PA Judge who was taking bribes to put kids in detention centers?
[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]
Judge: Pa. Jurists Immune from Liability for Courtroom Acts
Federal judge Richard Caputo granted partial immunity to the judges, both of whom have been accused of taking kickbacks from juvenile detention centers in return for sending business their way, in the form of juveniles, many of whom were sent off for weeks or months at a time for relatively minor infractions.
Writing that judicial immunity does not operate on a “sliding scale,” Judge Caputo ruled that the judges are protected by immunity from facing legal action for their courtroom acts. “The degree of corrupt behavior is not the touchstone of the immunity doctrine’s application,” Caputo wrote, acknowledging that his ruling runs contrary to “popular will.” He added: “The doctrine holds that judges with bad intentions, as well as those with good intentions, are immune from suit.
[Link: www.law.com...]
FTA: While Caputo's ruling does not put an end to the litigation, it does mean that Ciavarella will escape liability "for the vast majority of his conduct in this action," Caputo said.
112 | ShanghaiEd Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:02:16am |
Hope everyone here has a happy Thanksgiving. Hope I'm able to check in on a more regular basis soon; I miss you folks, and the wide-ranging discussions.
114 | laZardo Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:03:32am |
EVENING HONCOS!
How's your Native-American-Friendship-and-Popcorn-Discovery-Day going?
/Luckily, It's Columbus Day that gets the oppression stigma. :B
115 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:04:59am |
116 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:05:02am |
re: #111 RogueOne
Not to be a buzzkill but I saw this coming and I'm still pissed...
Remember the PA Judge who was taking bribes to put kids in detention centers?[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]
Judge: Pa. Jurists Immune from Liability for Courtroom Acts
[Link: www.law.com...]
FTA: While Caputo's ruling does not put an end to the litigation, it does mean that Ciavarella will escape liability "for the vast majority of his conduct in this action," Caputo said.
If I knew them, I'd stay far away in a thunderstorm.
117 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:05:21am |
re: #112 ShanghaiEd
Hope everyone here has a happy Thanksgiving. Hope I'm able to check in on a more regular basis soon; I miss you folks, and the wide-ranging discussions.
GOBBLEGOBBLEGOBBLE!
118 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:05:32am |
Holy crap! Anyone watching MSNBC about the couple who crashed the State Dinner at the White House? They took pics with everyone! HAHAHAHA!
119 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:05:56am |
re: #114 laZardo
EVENING HONCOS!
How's your Native-American-Friendship-and-Popcorn-Discovery-D ay going?
/Luckily, It's Columbus Day that gets the oppression stigma. :B
No one dares to fuck around with turkey.
120 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:06:09am |
re: #111 RogueOne
Not to be a buzzkill but I saw this coming and I'm still pissed...
Remember the PA Judge who was taking bribes to put kids in detention centers?[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]
FTA: While Caputo's ruling does not put an end to the litigation, it does mean that Ciavarella will escape liability "for the vast majority of his conduct in this action," Caputo said.
The SoB scoots but that almost had to be done. If not, couldn't you appeal every decision handed down from now on if you thought the judge was "harsh"?
121 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:06:09am |
122 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:06:39am |
re: #1 Irenicum
Well, I made it to NYC in one piece! What's everyone having for Thanksgiving?
A nervous breakdown.
123 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:06:40am |
re: #118 RogueOne
Holy crap! Anyone watching MSNBC about the couple who crashed the State Dinner at the White House? They took pics with everyone! HAHAHAHA!
Heads are gonna roll over that. (Mandy posted that earlier as well)
124 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:06:47am |
Ugh.
I'm hoping, then, that Pennsylvania judges are elected, and that they will be facing their constituents soon.
If I were an attorney, I'd be providing individual pro bono services to every single juvenile sentenced by this asshole, with the intent of flat-out harrassment, nibbling away at his resources with case after case after case, even if they were destined to fail.
Maybe the state should adopt a new motto: "There's No Justice in Pennsylvania." Anybody care to translate that into latin and start selling T-shirts?
125 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:07:14am |
re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Funny as hell.
Unless you are head of security.
Yeah, someone is in deep shit this morning. I had not heard this story yesterday.
For anyone else who was clueless, here's the story with a nice pic of them with VP Biden
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
126 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:07:15am |
re: #115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am a member of the TLF, if that means anything.
(Turkey Liberation Front)
I'm coming for your cranberries!
127 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:07:37am |
re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar
Heads are gonna roll over that. (Mandy posted that earlier as well)
She's always beating me.
128 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:07:38am |
129 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:08:00am |
re: #118 RogueOne
Holy crap! Anyone watching MSNBC about the couple who crashed the State Dinner at the White House? They took pics with everyone! HAHAHAHA!
Balloon Boy, Part II. They're reality-show wannabees; the whole point was to attract attention and publicity for their sorry asses.
130 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:08:14am |
131 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:08:15am |
132 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:08:53am |
re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar
Heads are gonna roll over that. (Mandy posted that earlier as well)
No, Bubblehead did at No. 62.
133 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:09:55am |
134 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:10:23am |
I got to meet rwdflynavy last night, y'all. Twas too cool!
135 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:10:46am |
re: #120 SteveC
The SoB scoots but that almost had to be done. If not, couldn't you appeal every decision handed down from now on if you thought the judge was "harsh"?
This is 2 cases I've heard of this year where something like this was done. (one was a prosecutor who was making up evidence) I think that's reprehensible. Total immunity is a mistake, cops don't get it and neither should judges/prosecutors.
136 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:11:29am |
re: #134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I got to meet rwdflynavy last night, y'all. Twas too cool!
Did you guys have a designated pilot?
/
137 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:13:18am |
138 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:13:45am |
re: #129 SixDegrees
Balloon Boy, Part II. They're reality-show wannabees; the whole point was to attract attention and publicity for their sorry asses.
I am TIRED of you talking crap about the Obama Administration! :)
Well, whadda you expect? Like attracts like; Birds of a feather, etc. Like the fictious President Andrew Shepard said "These are serious times, and they require serious people."
But we got the Greater Chicago Traveling Circus.
139 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:14:44am |
re: #137 MandyManners
[Video]
This version a lot more political toward the end than the original but, it's still good stuff.
BTW, Arlo's now a Paulian.
141 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:16:29am |
re: #120 SteveC
The SoB scoots but that almost had to be done. If not, couldn't you appeal every decision handed down from now on if you thought the judge was "harsh"?
He was taking bribes to sentence kids to a particular detention center. Kids who probably wouldn't have received any incarceration at all.
Simple solution: strip this asshole of every penny of his wealth. Find every kid who was sentenced to the detention centers in question by him. Divide. Distribute.
Yes, you'll get some who deserved to be there. Tough. A message needs to be sent that the courts are fair and can be trusted. Right now, that is not the case in Pennsylvania.
142 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:16:53am |
re: #131 MandyManners
(((Gang)))
Last few weeks have been not so glorious.
Much needed rest today and tomorrow.
(((Mandy)))
145 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:17:37am |
re: #141 SixDegrees
He was taking bribes to sentence kids to a particular detention center. Kids who probably wouldn't have received any incarceration at all.
Simple solution: strip this asshole of every penny of his wealth. Find every kid who was sentenced to the detention centers in question by him. Divide. Distribute.
Yes, you'll get some who deserved to be there. Tough. A message needs to be sent that the courts are fair and can be trusted. Right now, that is not the case in Pennsylvania.
Don't forget that they were taking kick-backs from the center.
146 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:18:08am |
re: #142 Gang of One
Last few weeks have been not so glorious.
Much needed rest today and tomorrow.
(((Mandy)))
Maybe my No. 137 will bring a smile to your face.
147 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:18:18am |
re: #141 SixDegrees
In all fairness, this Judge, unlike the california prosecutor I mentioned, still faces criminal charges for bribery etc. I just don't think jail is good enough, he should be left broke and broken.
148 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:18:18am |
150 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:20:03am |
re: #146 MandyManners
Maybe my No. 137 will bring a smile to your face.
Actually, it did. I remember the first time hearing it ... sitting on the Group W bench.
151 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:20:23am |
The judge walked in with a seeing-eye dog.
152 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:21:18am |
re: #146 MandyManners
Maybe my No. 137 will bring a smile to your face.
I hate christmas music but I found the best Christmas compilation EVER last year and I can't wait to annoy everyone again this year.
153 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:21:35am |
re: #150 Gang of One
Actually, it did. I remember the first time hearing it ... sitting on the Group W bench.
You got 27 eight-by-10 color glossy pictures on file somewhere?
154 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:21:40am |
Didja think I was gonna hang myself fer litterin'?
156 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:22:38am |
re: #153 MandyManners
You got 27 eight-by-10 color glossy pictures on file somewhere?
Withcircles an' arrows an' explanations on the back a each one ...
157 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:23:27am |
re: #156 Gang of One
Withcircles an' arrows an' explanations on the back a each one ...
With my kind of luck, I'd be holding the photos upside down!
158 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:23:39am |
159 | bloodnok Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:23:58am |
re: #155 SteveC
Actual quote from an advertising seminar: "At no time does the Pillsbury Dough Boy have `buns'."
Thanks. I kneaded that laugh.
160 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:24:23am |
re: #156 Gang of One
Withcircles an' arrows an' explanations on the back a each one ...
Injections and insections!
161 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:24:38am |
162 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:25:03am |
re: #158 MandyManners
KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!
Now, if three go in singing a chorus, they'll think it's movement.
163 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:25:14am |
re: #151 MandyManners
Guy is taking his dog for a walk. Decides to stop in a bar and get a drink. Figures he can't leave the dog outside, so gets clever and puts on sunglasses and walks into the bar.
Bartender says, "Hey! You can't bring a dog in here!"
Guy says, "This is my seeing eye dog."
Bartender says, "You have a Chihuahua as a seeing eye dog?"
Guy (feeling for the end of the leash) says, "What?! They sold me a Chihuahua?"
164 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:26:10am |
re: #156 Gang of One
Withcircles an' arrows an' explanations on the back a each one ...
"Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench 'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug."
165 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:26:31am |
Old one but good one
"First you take the root of pi, square it by - "
"Look, I'm not good at math but I know pies are not square! Pies are round!"
166 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:27:10am |
Get? I didn't get nothing. I had to pay $25 and pick up the garbage.
167 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:28:18am |
re: #151 MandyManners
Now that I think of it...Wasn't the judge sight impaired?
168 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:28:20am |
re: #162 Gang of One
Now, if three go in singing a chorus, they'll think it's movement.
Q: What's brown and smelly and sits on a piano stool?
A: Beethoven's First Movement.
169 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:28:30am |
"Kids, this-piece-of-paper's-got-47-words-37-sentences-58-words-we-wanna-know-details-of-the-crime-time-of-the-crime-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-you-gotta-say-pertaining-to-and-about-the-crime-I-want-to-know-arresting-officer's-name-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-you-gotta-say",
170 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:28:49am |
re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Now that I think of it...Wasn't the judge sight impaired?
Why do you think Officer Obie cried?
171 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:29:18am |
re: #169 MandyManners
"Kids, this-piece-of-paper's-got-47-words-37-sentences-58 -words-we-wanna-know-details-of-the-crime-time-of- the-crime-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-you-gotta-sa y-pertaining-to-and-about-the-crime-I-want-to-know -arresting-officer's-name-and-any-other-kind-of-th ing-you-gotta-say",
I cheated on that one. I found the lyrics.
172 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:29:19am |
re: #168 SteveC
Q: What's brown and smelly and sits on a piano stool?
A: Beethoven's First Movement.
Beethoven is decomposing.
174 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:32:39am |
Thanksgiving day tradition - the Christmas tree is going up! I'll see everyone later!
Have a wonderful day, and give a thought to anyone who can't/won't be at the family table.
175 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:33:10am |
Arlo got an invitation to Carter's innauguration. He went because he knew it'd be the only one he'd ever get.
178 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:36:47am |
According to Wiki, the gap on the tapes is 18.5 minutes. Alice's Restaurant is 18.5 minutes.
You do the math.
179 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:37:01am |
re: #178 MandyManners
According to Wiki, the gap on the NIXON tapes is 18.5 minutes. Alice's Restaurant is 18.5 minutes.
You do the math.
181 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:39:13am |
How many things in the world are 18 minutes and 20 seconds long?
182 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:39:59am |
re: #181 Gang of One
How many things in the world are 18 minutes and 20 seconds long?
Oh.
/D'oh!!!11!
183 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:41:13am |
184 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:41:20am |
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Website Wikileaks publishes '9/11 messages'A website has published what it says are 573,000 intercepted pager messages sent during the 9/11 attacks in the United States.
Wikileaks says it will not reveal who gave it the messages - some of which are from federal agencies as well as ordinary citizens.
Internet analysts say they believe the messages are genuine but federal authorities have refused to comment.
I wonder if the same people who have been flipping out over the "illegal leak" regarding the CRU fraud will have the same level of outrage over these. I also noticed the BBC was quick to report on this one while they held the CRU leak under wraps for a month before it went public.
185 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:43:53am |
186 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:44:37am |
re: #180 MandyManners
That garbage incident actually happened to my girlfriend back in the 80's. That was the goofiest thing she did during our relationship. Oh I was pissed! :D
187 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:45:21am |
re: #184 RogueOne
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
I wonder if the same people who have been flipping out over the "illegal leak" regarding the CRU fraud will have the same level of outrage over these. I also noticed the BBC was quick to report on this one while they held the CRU leak under wraps for a month before it went public.
One reason is because there are some people who say there's nothing to the CRU emails, there for, why would the BBC hop to reporting a story that has no legs.
188 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:46:03am |
re: #185 Gang of One
Hi Walt. You still snowed in up there?
No, we still have snow on the ground, but it's not on the roads or anything. Next chance of snow, Sunday evening.
189 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:47:37am |
re: #184 RogueOne
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
I wonder if the same people who have been flipping out over the "illegal leak" regarding the CRU fraud will have the same level of outrage over these. I also noticed the BBC was quick to report on this one while they held the CRU leak under wraps for a month before it went public.
A) Why do you put 'illegal leak' in quotes? You're not satisfied that leaking those emails was an illegal action?
B) Why would there be a connection between those two groups? I don't feel like leading the CRU emails in a crude attempt to sway public opinion in the run-up to Copenhagen was legal-- since it was illegal. I also don't think that releasing a mass of pager messages, some of which are no doubt private, some of which no doubt are from and between doctors, is a good idea or legal.
190 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:48:40am |
re: #186 Boogberg
That garbage incident actually happened to my girlfriend back in the 80's. That was the goofiest thing she did during our relationship. Oh I was pissed! :D
She illegally dumped?
Did you dump her next?
191 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:49:44am |
re: #189 Obdicut
So, what do you think of ACORN dumping all those confidential files?
192 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:50:07am |
re: #155 SteveC
Actual quote from an advertising seminar: "At no time does the Pillsbury Dough Boy have `buns'."
Sign at a local establishment that sells pork and pork products: "We Wash The Shit Out Of Chiltlins!"
193 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:51:04am |
re: #189 Obdicut
A) Why do you put 'illegal leak' in quotes? You're not satisfied that leaking those emails was an illegal action?
B) Why would there be a connection between those two groups? I don't feel like leading the CRU emails in a crude attempt to sway public opinion in the run-up to Copenhagen was legal-- since it was illegal. I also don't think that releasing a mass of pager messages, some of which are no doubt private, some of which no doubt are from and between doctors, is a good idea or legal.
And the cat is out of the bag, so legal, illegal, it doesn't really matter unless someone at UEA wants to make a legal matter out of it, then it's important to a certain handful of people.
But, nothing will change the what's in the emails themselves. And no amount of legal posturing will effect the content.
194 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:53:08am |
re: #191 MandyManners
So, what do you think of ACORN dumping all those confidential files?
If they dumped anything that's illegal to dump, they committed an illegal action. I haven't seen yet that anything they dumped was illegal to dump.
It certainly was fucking stupid as hell of them to do in the time preceding an investigation, and shows a blitheness in the face of it that's disturbing.
The person who got them out of the dumpster probably also committed an illegal action.
195 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:53:48am |
re: #189 Obdicut
I put "ILLEGAL" in scare quotes because that seems to be the only defense to what's actually found in the documents. No one seems to want to argue that their modeling is crap, their code is a POS, or the overt attempts to avoid FOIA requests. I'm just wondering if they'll remain consistent or if the only "legality" (there they are again) they're concerned with is the one that gored their ox.
196 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:54:26am |
re: #193 Walter L. Newton
And the cat is out of the bag, so legal, illegal, it doesn't really matter unless someone at UEA wants to make a legal matter out of it, then it's important to a certain handful of people.
But, nothing will change the what's in the emails themselves. And no amount of legal posturing will effect the content.
Yes. The content of which, as Charles has laid out the case for very well over the past few days, a tempest in a tea-cup.
However, I think that the FBI and Treasury may not be as sanguine to the hack as you are. Though they're probably distracted-- properly-- by this Wikileaks dump.
I wish people would quit doing dumb things. That's all I want for Christmas.
197 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:55:19am |
The 9/11 messages are pretty disturbing, especially since we know what was happening at the time. Fascinating and disturbing all at the same time. You can download the entire thing as a zip file.
198 | JohninLondon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:55:33am |
From this side of the pond, best wishes to all for Thanksgiving.
And special wishes for any Americans for whom the holiday is touched by sadness, by the absence of loved ones.
(One of my closest Americn friends died earlier this year, after a long and good life, and her husband has been very ill for several years. The whole family is gathering as usual today in LA, but they will be sorely missing their grandmum, her bright eyes - and the superb Pavlova she made every year.)
There's lots of room for argument between us all, but when the chips are down there is much more that unites us. Including all over here who wish America well - the Last Best Hope.
And a good measure of that fellow-feeling was shown just after 9/11, at the memorial service at St Paul's Cathedral here in London. The words of the Archbishop remain so truly apt - but the best thing in this video clip is the huge crowd standing outside the cathedral as the Battle Hymn of the Republic was sung.
199 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:56:04am |
re: #196 Obdicut
Yes. The content of which, as Charles has laid out the case for very well over the past few days, a tempest in a tea-cup.
However, I think that the FBI and Treasury may not be as sanguine to the hack as you are. Though they're probably distracted-- properly-- by this Wikileaks dump.
I wish people would quit doing dumb things. That's all I want for Christmas.
Sorry, there's no getting around their code and model is crap. A big steaming pile of crap to be exact.
200 | Bloodnok Thu, Nov 26, 2009 5:57:02am |
re: #196 Obdicut
I wish people would quit doing dumb things. That's all I want for Christmas.
I want a train set. If we get each other's gift can we swap?
201 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:00:32am |
re: #195 RogueOne
I put "ILLEGAL" in scare quotes because that seems to be the only defense to what's actually found in the documents. No one seems to want to argue that their modeling is crap, their code is a POS, or the overt attempts to avoid FOIA requests. I'm just wondering if they'll remain consistent or if the only "legality" (there they are again) they're concerned with is the one that gored their ox.
Acutally, if you read this website, Charles has been arguing just that for the past few days.
The test of a model is in its predictive accuracy; the models have been on target and predictively successful for a long time.
They did not, as Charles has pointed out, have the legal right to redistribute much of the data, so many of the FOIA requests had to be, properly, rejected.
Code may be a POS, but it can also be a working POS. Elegance in coding is a lovely thing, but it's not a requirement for code to work. It certainly makes it harder to maintain and makes mistakes compound, but that doesn't mean it doesn't function. And much of what's being declared to be crappy in the code is perfectly good code.
Moreover, this is not the Ultimate MegaHeadquarters of AGW. It's one place. An important place, but one place. Its data, and its models, agree with the models and data from elsewhere in the world, from decades ago, from totally separate sources, etc. etc.
202 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:01:03am |
re: #196 Obdicut
Yes. The content of which, as Charles has laid out the case for very well over the past few days, a tempest in a tea-cup.
However, I think that the FBI and Treasury may not be as sanguine to the hack as you are. Though they're probably distracted-- properly-- by this Wikileaks dump.
I wish people would quit doing dumb things. That's all I want for Christmas.
Well, Charles is not the only one weighing in with opinions on those emails and documents, and not everyone in the big wide world agree on whether those emails are a tempest or not. Charles' opinion is valid but only one of many.
I have nothing to do with the "hack," and my opinion doesn't change anything now, so that issue is moot, at least with me. I suspect that some authorities may be interested in the legality of the hack.
Still don't change the contents. I hope you get what you want for Christmas, but your wish won't put the cat back into the bag.
203 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:01:42am |
re: #200 Bloodnok
I want a train set. If we get each other's gift can we swap?
Yes. I actually just got a Lionel set for my dad, and found out he already has it.
There, that was easy. Now lets fix television.
204 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:01:47am |
re: #194 Obdicut
If they dumped anything that's illegal to dump, they committed an illegal action. I haven't seen yet that anything they dumped was illegal to dump.
It certainly was fucking stupid as hell of them to do in the time preceding an investigation, and shows a blitheness in the face of it that's disturbing.
The person who got them out of the dumpster probably also committed an illegal action.
They dumped financial information from their clients.
It is NOT illegal to remove garbage from a garbage can.
205 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:02:02am |
re: #190 MandyManners
She illegally dumped?
Did you dump her next?
No, of course not. She was a decent, hard-working girl who had a momentary lapse of reason. It was her kooky father who wrecked our relationship.
206 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:02:36am |
207 | right_wing2 Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:02:48am |
Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow lizards.
We're so incredibly blessed.
208 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:04:39am |
re: #201 Obdicut
Acutally, if you read this website, Charles has been arguing just that for the past few days.
The test of a model is in its predictive accuracy; the models have been on target and predictively successful for a long time.
They did not, as Charles has pointed out, have the legal right to redistribute much of the data, so many of the FOIA requests had to be, properly, rejected.
Code may be a POS, but it can also be a working POS. Elegance in coding is a lovely thing, but it's not a requirement for code to work. It certainly makes it harder to maintain and makes mistakes compound, but that doesn't mean it doesn't function. And much of what's being declared to be crappy in the code is perfectly good code.
Moreover, this is not the Ultimate MegaHeadquarters of AGW. It's one place. An important place, but one place. Its data, and its models, agree with the models and data from elsewhere in the world, from decades ago, from totally separate sources, etc. etc.
I suspect that no one is critiquing how well the code is commented, formatted or whether it could be more efficient. I think the argument is that the code is plain out wrong, faulty and buggy.
209 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:04:40am |
Roach recalled the moment he discovered thousands of ACORN documents simply bagged up and thrown in the trash.
He was driving home, he explained Monday, when a thought occurred to him to put his skills to use.
Roach, who describes himself as a local private investigator concerned about what was happening in his neighborhood, told how he “came by” the ACORN office and “observed some individuals in the office and also observed the individual dumping documents into the Dumpster around the corner,” he said.
SNIP
“I came back later that evening, after business hours, and from an unsecured Dumpster removed those documents and they have been in my possession since,” he said.
The documents, which filled Roach's vehicle, numbered close to 20,000 according to Tony Krvaric, chairman of the Republican Party of San Diego County.
“This is a massive data breach at the very least of individuals who come to ACORN for help and assistance,” said Krvaric. “To have their information, tax returns, immigration documents thrown in the trash like common trash is absolutely an affront to every San Diegan.”
SNIP
210 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:05:18am |
re: #205 Boogberg
No, of course not. She was a decent, hard-working girl who had a momentary lapse of reason. It was her kooky father who wrecked our relationship.
He wouldn't have been a good FIL, eh?
211 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:05:44am |
re: #207 right_wing2
Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow lizards.
We're so incredibly blessed.
GOBBLEGOBBLEGOBBLE!
212 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:06:44am |
re: #201 Obdicut
[snip]
Moreover, this is not the Ultimate MegaHeadquarters of AGW. It's one place. An important place, but one place. Its data, and its models, agree with the models and data from elsewhere in the world, from decades ago, from totally separate sources, etc. etc.
There's trouble in River City...
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]
213 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:07:11am |
What would happen to a bank or accountant who dumped confidential information? Heavy penalties?
214 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:07:57am |
re: #204 MandyManners
They dumped financial information from their clients.
It is NOT illegal to remove garbage from a garbage can.
Then they probably committed a crime. I don't know much about those laws, but it's something that should be illegal, anyway.
And it somteimes, I'm afraid, illegal to remove garbage from garbage cans. It depends on state and local laws, mostly. But also, if the dumpster was behind a gate or in any sort of secured area, it's definitely illegal to access it.
215 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:08:11am |
I can't but help wonder if Roach has a mole in that ACORN office. What are the odds that he just happened to drop by right after those documents got dumped.
216 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:10:03am |
re: #214 Obdicut
Then they probably committed a crime. I don't know much about those laws, but it's something that should be illegal, anyway.
And it somteimes, I'm afraid, illegal to remove garbage from garbage cans. It depends on state and local laws, mostly. But also, if the dumpster was behind a gate or in any sort of secured area, it's definitely illegal to access it.
Don't change anything, though, does it?
217 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:10:38am |
re: #214 Obdicut
Then they probably committed a crime. I don't know much about those laws, but it's something that should be illegal, anyway.
And it somteimes, I'm afraid, illegal to remove garbage from garbage cans. It depends on state and local laws, mostly. But also, if the dumpster was behind a gate or in any sort of secured area, it's definitely illegal to access it.
Got a link to the California code or the San Diego municipal code that governs that?
But, that's not at issue here. The dumpsters were not secured behind a fence.
And, isn't it a bit too convenient that all that stuff got dumped in advance of a visit from the AG office?
218 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:11:57am |
re: #217 MandyManners
Tipped off by someone in the AG office?
219 | Bloodnok Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:12:16am |
re: #214 Obdicut
Then they probably committed a crime. I don't know much about those laws, but it's something that should be illegal, anyway.
And it somteimes, I'm afraid, illegal to remove garbage from garbage cans. It depends on state and local laws, mostly. But also, if the dumpster was behind a gate or in any sort of secured area, it's definitely illegal to access it.
220 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:13:02am |
re: #208 Walter L. Newton
I suspect that no one is critiquing how well the code is commented, formatted or whether it could be more efficient. I think the argument is that the code is plain out wrong, faulty and buggy.
I'm sorry, but doing forensics on code based on what was included in some folders in some document dump is insane.
221 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:14:13am |
re: #218 Cannadian Club Akbar
Tipped off by someone in the AG office?
Or, by someone at ACORN who's become disgusted.
222 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:14:26am |
re: #201 Obdicut
Acutally, if you read this website, Charles has been arguing just that for the past few days.
The test of a model is in its predictive accuracy; the models have been on target and predictively successful for a long time.
They did not, as Charles has pointed out, have the legal right to redistribute much of the data, so many of the FOIA requests had to be, properly, rejected.
Code may be a POS, but it can also be a working POS. Elegance in coding is a lovely thing, but it's not a requirement for code to work. It certainly makes it harder to maintain and makes mistakes compound, but that doesn't mean it doesn't function. And much of what's being declared to be crappy in the code is perfectly good code.
Moreover, this is not the Ultimate MegaHeadquarters of AGW. It's one place. An important place, but one place. Its data, and its models, agree with the models and data from elsewhere in the world, from decades ago, from totally separate sources, etc. etc.
The CRU's role was to provide the evidence of the A in AGW. Until there is a complete audit it the "A" should be silent. Until someone finishes that audit and releases their findings I'm going to start calling it (a)GW.
223 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:15:24am |
re: #220 Obdicut
I'm sorry, but doing forensics on code based on what was included in some folders in some document dump is insane.
Why? Are you a coder? What do you know about coding? How many applications have you written? What's your credentials for making statements like that?
224 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:15:50am |
re: #218 Cannadian Club Akbar
Tipped off by someone in the AG office?
Maybe I glossed right over it but, I don't think the reason for the investigation is in it. IIRC, from what I've read elsewhere, the reason is to investigate voter registration fraud. Gee. I wonder why those immigration documents just happened to get dumped.
225 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:16:29am |
re: #217 MandyManners
Well, it doesn't seem too convienent for ACORN, since all their files are now in the hands of an enemy of theirs.
And I already said it was monumentally stupid to do right before an investigation, and makes them seemly blithely unconcerned about it in a disturbing way-- did you want me to say it again?
But, that's not at issue here. The dumpsters were not secured behind a fence.
I haven't seen anything authoritative on that. Have you?
re: #216 Walter L. Newton
Don't change anything, though, does it?
No, of course not. I'm not sure why you're asking.
It's certainly made me consider what I throw out more closely.
226 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:17:04am |
re: #210 MandyManners
I actually liked the guy. He gave me a job with his company in St. Louis as a laborer when I couldn't buy a fucking job here in central Florida. That's when the trouble started.
227 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:17:16am |
re: #220 Obdicut
I'm sorry, but doing forensics on code based on what was included in some folders in some document dump is insane.
Hence the problem of not releasing their code. If they had played above the table from the beginning and complied with the FOIA requests they wouldn't be waist deep in sewage right now. All we know is the portions of code that got leaked are buggy, error prone, and inconsistent.
228 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:17:44am |
re: #223 Walter L. Newton
Why? Are you a coder? What do you know about coding? How many applications have you written? What's your credentials for making statements like that?
I'm a producer, who works with coders, yes. This isn't even a version-controlled source tree or anything, it's a bunch of folders, right?
229 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:19:11am |
re: #227 RogueOne
Hence the problem of not releasing their code. If they had played above the table from the beginning and complied with the FOIA requests they wouldn't be waist deep in sewage right now. All we know is the portions of code that got leaked are buggy, error prone, and inconsistent.
And again, there are legal problems with them complying with FOIA results when they're using proprietary data.
230 | JohninLondon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:20:37am |
Is the President's trip to Copenhagen just another photo-op ? He is just passing through, on his way to Oslo for the Nobel award ceremony.
He won't be in Copenhagen for the real discussions, involving dozens of national leaders.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
231 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:22:41am |
re: #228 Obdicut
I'm a producer, who works with coders, yes. This isn't even a version-controlled source tree or anything, it's a bunch of folders, right?
I don't know, why are you asking me? I haven't even seen the code. Maybe they aren't using source control, I don't know. I do know the actual production code is available, I saw a link to it yesterday. I don't have access to a unix-styled box, so, I can't run the code, play with the code.
But you never answered my question. Are you a coder?
Do you have a text copy of it that I can audit?
232 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:24:37am |
re: #225 Obdicut
Well, it doesn't seem too convienent for ACORN, since all their files are now in the hands of an enemy of theirs.
And I already said it was monumentally stupid to do right before an investigation, and makes them seemly blithely unconcerned about it in a disturbing way-- did you want me to say it again?
No, of course not. I'm not sure why you're asking.It's certainly made me consider what I throw out more closely.
The article quote Roach as saying that the dumpster was not secured. If he's lying, it'll come out. And, I'm sure Schur would've been squawking about that to NBC if it had been secured.
And, yes, it was convenient for ACORN to dump the stuff ahead of an investigation if the documents contain proof of illegal activities. (Gee. ACORN committing a crime. NEVERRR.) But, it's mighty inconvenient that Roach came along at the right time. (Well, right for those whose tax dollars support ACORN.)
233 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:24:58am |
re: #226 Boogberg
I actually liked the guy. He gave me a job with his company in St. Louis as a laborer when I couldn't buy a fucking job here in central Florida. That's when the trouble started.
Moved you away from his daughter?
234 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:26:20am |
re: #231 Walter L. Newton
I don't know, why are you asking me? I haven't even seen the code. Maybe they aren't using source control, I don't know. I do know the actual production code is available, I saw a link to it yesterday. I don't have access to a unix-styled box, so, I can't run the code, play with the code.
But you never answered my question. Are you a coder?
Do you have a text copy of it that I can audit?
I'm a coder, at a very basic level. Not good for doing much except routine stuff in Python. But I do manage coders-- to the extent that statement can ever be true-- and I know that a random bunch of portions of code does not prove anything. Everything I've seen in the random stories I've seen on this have all concentrated on one particular small subset of data involving tree ring growth.
If the entire code is out there in whatever format they used, I haven't seen any link to that or any reference to that. I've seen complaints they haven't released the full code.
235 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:26:30am |
re: #229 Obdicut
And again, there are legal problems with them complying with FOIA results when they're using proprietary data.
You keep dancing over the core of the problem... "portions of code that got leaked are buggy, error prone, and inconsistent." That's the problem.
Proprietary data, illegal hacks, what ever, that's a problem, but not the issue anymore, all that is moot. Now we have emails with questionable content, now we have code with questionable validity now we have documents with questionable material in them.
That's the issue, and it can't be sweep under the rug.
236 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:28:50am |
re: #228 Obdicut
I didn't know you were a producer. Without giving up any details you don't want, what industry?
237 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:29:31am |
re: #234 Obdicut
I'm a coder, at a very basic level. Not good for doing much except routine stuff in Python. But I do manage coders-- to the extent that statement can ever be true-- and I know that a random bunch of portions of code does not prove anything. Everything I've seen in the random stories I've seen on this have all concentrated on one particular small subset of data involving tree ring growth.
If the entire code is out there in whatever format they used, I haven't seen any link to that or any reference to that. I've seen complaints they haven't released the full code.
I thought I saw something yesterday, a link to a download of the gar/tar file... the whole thing or something, but I didn't bother to download it since it's all unix based OS stuff.
Old story, those who can't code, manage those who do.
238 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:30:21am |
re: #229 Obdicut
If it's funded by taxpayers they have the right to the info. Unless you're trying to say the CRU was wrapped up within a greedy corporate structure.
239 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:36:31am |
re: #235 Walter L. Newton
You keep dancing over the core of the problem... "portions of code that got leaked are buggy, error prone, and inconsistent." That's the problem.
And I don't agree you can even make that judgment without full context, and many of the things being pointed out as bugs are, as the old joke goes, actually features.
re: #236 RogueOne
I didn't know you were a producer. Without giving up any details you don't want, what industry?
I work at Leapfrog, the children's educational toy company. It's a lot of fun.
re: #238 RogueOne
If it's funded by taxpayers they have the right to the info. Unless you're trying to say the CRU was wrapped up within a greedy corporate structure.
I'm sorry, but there is data that is proprietary and they are not allowed to release.
240 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:38:38am |
re: #220 Obdicut
I'm sorry, but doing forensics on code based on what was included in some folders in some document dump is insane.
Not so much, really. In fact, part of my job includes what we refer to as "code spelunking," diving into year-old, undocumented code whose author has long since vanished, trying to figure out what it does and how it does it. It isn't exactly pleasant work, but it's occasionally necessary and always well within the realm of the possible.
I haven't looked at the code in question - because I spend enough time doing such things - but it ought to be possible to figure out how it works and whether it accurately calculates results based on either published models or the models documented in the rest of the material. It would also be almost trivial to determine just what sort, if any, data filtering is done on the input data before it reaches the model calculations themselves.
I haven't heard that anyone's taken such a step yet.
241 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:39:22am |
re: #237 Walter L. Newton
Old story, those who can't code, manage those who do.
Walter, may I ask why you tell others to be more civil when you feel it's acceptable to say things like that?
I don't manage the coders code. I just manage the coders. I get them the budget they need and the resources they need, and make sure that their time isn't been taken up by an inordinate amount of requests.
I am, and have to be, familiar with the way that code progresses through the pipeline and actually gets adopted, though.
242 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:40:38am |
re: #239 Obdicut
And I don't agree you can even make that judgment without full context, and many of the things being pointed out as bugs are, as the old joke goes, actually features.
As the leaked messages, and especially the HARRY_READ_ME.txt file, found their way around technical circles, two things happened: first, programmers unaffiliated with East Anglia started taking a close look at the quality of the CRU's code, and second, they began to feel sympathetic for anyone who had to spend three years (including working weekends) trying to make sense of code that appeared to be undocumented and buggy, while representing the core of CRU's climate model.
[Link: business.theatlantic.com...]
You're right, I can't make that judgement, but others, who have seen the code, have made that judgement. Argue with them.
243 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:40:58am |
re: #240 SixDegrees
I think you're overestimating the amount of structure in the dump.
244 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:41:18am |
re: #240 SixDegrees
[snip]
I haven't heard that anyone's taken such a step yet.
[Link: business.theatlantic.com...]
245 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:42:40am |
re: #242 Walter L. Newton
[Link: business.theatlantic.com...]
You're right, I can't make that judgement, but others, who have seen the code, have made that judgement. Argue with them.
Given that that story follows the meme of "relying on computer code that, if it generates an error message, continues as if nothing untoward ever occurred", I don't think it's going to persuade me of anything. There are lots of times you want an error message to be ignored and the program to occur as though nothing untoward ever happened.
246 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:42:42am |
re: #240 SixDegrees
Not so much, really. In fact, part of my job includes what we refer to as "code spelunking," diving into year-old, undocumented code whose author has long since vanished, trying to figure out what it does and how it does it. It isn't exactly pleasant work, but it's occasionally necessary and always well within the realm of the possible.
I haven't looked at the code in question - because I spend enough time doing such things - but it ought to be possible to figure out how it works and whether it accurately calculates results based on either published models or the models documented in the rest of the material. It would also be almost trivial to determine just what sort, if any, data filtering is done on the input data before it reaches the model calculations themselves.
I haven't heard that anyone's taken such a step yet.
Correct. Any coder would understand this... if I had the code, I could deconstruct what it does and audit whether is does it correctly.
247 | right_wing2 Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:43:17am |
'God as my witness I thought turkeys could fly'
248 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:43:53am |
re: #240 SixDegrees
People have been going all over that read me harry text and they've identified who "Harry" actually is. He's getting a lot of sympathy from people because he's obviously diligently trying to make it through a POS. There are a lot of suggestions right now that all of this was part of an FOIA procedure and has been leaked from the inside. If that's true, I'd love it to turn out to be "Harry" since he seems to be the one with the intimate knowledge of this code.
249 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:44:07am |
re: #246 Walter L. Newton
Correct. Any coder would understand this... if I had the code, I could deconstruct what it does and audit whether is does it correctly.
And all I'm saying, Walter, is that without knowing how their version control (if any) worked, you can't know if this code represents all of the code used in the model or not, and how it is used in the model.
250 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:44:39am |
re: #245 Obdicut
Given that that story follows the meme of "relying on computer code that, if it generates an error message, continues as if nothing untoward ever occurred", I don't think it's going to persuade me of anything. There are lots of times you want an error message to be ignored and the program to occur as though nothing untoward ever happened.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You have already indicated that you are not a coder. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
I've been a coder for 25 years. This is a simple process, one which you either do not understand or refuse to understand.
Either way, I've said what I have to say, people closer to the sources have said what they want to say, and nothing you say is going to change facts.
But thanks for your opinions.
251 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:44:57am |
252 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:45:14am |
re: #233 MandyManners
Yeah, I think so. He had some very strange political beliefs and I don't think an ever-so-slightly liberal 27 year old male fit in to his plans. I'm pretty sure he was a John Bircher.
253 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:45:34am |
Just for the sheer beauty of it. One of my favorites played Isao Horikoshi.
254 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:46:20am |
255 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:46:30am |
re: #243 Obdicut
I think you're overestimating the amount of structure in the dump.
Structure is enforced largely by the language. In Fortran, code is organized into subroutines, and subroutines are often packaged together into libraries. In any case, there's every bit as much structure as the language allows, and it wouldn't take long to figure out what each subroutine does, and what any program as a whole does.
It may look like a mess, or a partial, unstructured segment to the uninitiated. But the whole point of programming languages is to instruct the computer what to do in a human-readable and understandable format. Every line carries meaning along with it. The structure is inherent.
256 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:47:14am |
re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dammit!
ALL YAMS DESERVE TO DIIIEEE!
Why are you anti-complex carbohydrates?
/
257 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:48:01am |
re: #247 right_wing2
'God as my witness I thought turkeys could fly'
Albusteve posted a link to that show yesteday but it was on VODPOX or somesuch and I can never get it to play. I'm still searching for it on Youtube.
258 | Obdicut Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:48:12am |
re: #250 Walter L. Newton
Actually, I've said I do code in Python. I'm not much of a coder, but I can say that I've written code that works, and does what I need it to do.
And again, all I'm saying is that unless you have the full source, you don't really have much, and you can't really judge how significant the errors are-- or if they're even errors in themselves, like the 'don't report the error' case.
I'm going to go enjoy Thanksgiving. I hope all of you have a nice turkey day as well.
259 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:48:23am |
re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dammit!
ALL YAMS DESERVE TO DIIIEEE!
I YAM THAT I YAM
/YAHWEH, or something.
260 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:48:57am |
re: #252 Boogberg
Yeah, I think so. He had some very strange political beliefs and I don't think an ever-so-slightly liberal 27 year old male fit in to his plans. I'm pretty sure he was a John Bircher.
I wonder what he is today.
262 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:49:36am |
re: #258 Obdicut
Actually, I've said I do code in Python. I'm not much of a coder, but I can say that I've written code that works, and does what I need it to do.
And again, all I'm saying is that unless you have the full source, you don't really have much, and you can't really judge how significant the errors are-- or if they're even errors in themselves, like the 'don't report the error' case.
I'm going to go enjoy Thanksgiving. I hope all of you have a nice turkey day as well.
And I leave you with this, those who can't code... produce. Thank goodness for coders... or producers would all be out of work.
263 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:53:43am |
re: #249 Obdicut
And all I'm saying, Walter, is that without knowing how their version control (if any) worked, you can't know if this code represents all of the code used in the model or not, and how it is used in the model.
Maybe not. But it's entirely possible to analyze the code as it stands.
And it should be eminently possible to determine whether there is anything missing, since the compiler would catch calls to non-existent subroutines and halt with an error. If compilation and linkage proceed to conclusion, it's safe to assume that everything needed is present. Examination of the expected inputs and outputs would reveal whether they were the original and final data, respectively, or whether any additional pre- or post-massaging was expected.
Oddly, this sounds like exactly the sort of code I see on a daily basis. It's written by scientists and engineers - not by software specialists. As already noted, there's nothing that isn't understandable about it, although it often isn't put together the way I would write it.
264 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:54:14am |
265 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:56:45am |
re: #262 Walter L. Newton
And I leave you with this, those who can't code... produce. Thank goodness for coders... or producers would all be out of work.
Honest question:
Is writing code the same as writing a program or application? I am totally ignorant of these things.
266 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:58:21am |
re: #263 SixDegrees
Maybe not. But it's entirely possible to analyze the code as it stands.
And it should be eminently possible to determine whether there is anything missing, since the compiler would catch calls to non-existent subroutines and halt with an error. If compilation and linkage proceed to conclusion, it's safe to assume that everything needed is present. Examination of the expected inputs and outputs would reveal whether they were the original and final data, respectively, or whether any additional pre- or post-massaging was expected.
Oddly, this sounds like exactly the sort of code I see on a daily basis. It's written by scientists and engineers - not by software specialists. As already noted, there's nothing that isn't understandable about it, although it often isn't put together the way I would write it.
You have a lot more patience than I do on explaining this, but Obdicut is not going to agree with you, but you are 100 percent correct. Coding is rules, not opinions and no matter how complicated the rules are, they are either going to be right or wrong.
267 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:59:07am |
re: #253 Gang of One
Just for the sheer beauty of it. One of my favorites played Isao Horikoshi.
That is just awesome. Kieth Emerson does a smokin' version of that too.
268 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:59:09am |
re: #265 Gang of One
Honest question:
Is writing code the same as writing a program or application? I am totally ignorant of these things.
Yes, programming, writing code, scripting... all those are terms indicating writing someone in some computer language .
270 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:04:45am |
re: #268 Walter L. Newton
Yes, programming, writing code, scripting... all those are terms indicating writing someone in some computer language .
Thanks. I thought so. Wish I had looked into that decades ago when I was in hiskool. We had a ginormous machine, an EDUCOMP, IIRC that ran magnetic tape on giant spools, an IBM card-puncher, and outputted to mechanical teletypewriters. The thing was the size of three modern-day restaurant refrigerators.
271 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:04:52am |
Man, this pie looks good. Great, actually. Keeping my greedy fingers off it for the next several hours is not going to be easy. Dammit.
On to the side dishes.
272 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:08:37am |
re: #271 SixDegrees
Man, this pie looks good. Great, actually. Keeping my greedy fingers off it for the next several hours is not going to be easy. Dammit.
On to the side dishes.
I'm not a big fan of pie but, I'm baking a pumpkin pie and a pecan pie.
One benefit of putting food up in the summer is that you have bottled sunshine and warmth in the winter: corn I cut off the cob, purple-hull peas (and bread-and-butter pickles) and green beans (for the green bean casserole). They'll go with a turkey that was alive on Tuesday and delivered to me yesterday, mashed taters, sweet potatoes, giblet gravy and fresh cranberry relish.
My grazing platter has black olives, almond-stuffed green olives, gherkins, pepperoni slices, sliced pepper Jack cheese, celery sticks, carrot sticks, dill dip, chips and crackers. I also have a lovely brie.
273 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:09:11am |
re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dammit!
ALL YAMS DESERVE TO DIIIEEE!
"Socks aren't vegetables, man, they should be WIPED OUT!"
-Neil, The Young Ones
274 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:10:27am |
I am pleased to report that it is possible to find cranberries in Scotland.
This is also the first time we've seen the sun in about a week,--there has been biblical flooding in Scotland, the wettest month on record--- and there is a pigeon on the balcony. (we will not be eating that, though)
Happy Thanksgiving!
275 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:12:50am |
re: #267 Boogberg
That is just awesome. Kieth Emerson does a smokin' version of that too.
Boog, I think you'll like this one, too.
276 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:13:47am |
And no matter where in the United States you are, don’t be surprised if the host molds refrigerated breadstick dough and bakes it into a cornucopia centerpiece. It is the break-out hit recipe of the season at Allrecipes.com, the nation’s largest cooking Web site.
SNIP
There are no huge surprises. Millions of people will, in fact, eat turkey. But regional differences and the precise time that Thanksgiving panic kicks in can be pinpointed as never before.
At all the big food Web sites, traffic on the day before Thanksgiving dwarfs that of all other days.
By 9 p.m. Wednesday, 785,000 people had looked up turkey recipes at Allrecipes.com. For most of the day, the site was handling one million page views an hour.
“We built server capacity for the day before Thanksgiving, then use only 50 percent of it the rest of the year,” said Lisa Sharples, president of the site, which is based in Seattle.
For the last five years, Google searches for Thanksgiving recipes have climbed steadily, doubling from 2007 to 2008, according to results from Insights for Search, a tool that indexes the volume of Google search trends.
SNIP
277 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:14:25am |
re: #272 MandyManners
I'm not a big fan of pie but, I'm baking a pumpkin pie and a pecan pie.
One benefit of putting food up in the summer is that you have bottled sunshine and warmth in the winter: corn I cut off the cob, purple-hull peas (and bread-and-butter pickles) and green beans (for the green bean casserole). They'll go with a turkey that was alive on Tuesday and delivered to me yesterday, mashed taters, sweet potatoes, giblet gravy and fresh cranberry relish.
My grazing platter has black olives, almond-stuffed green olives, gherkins, pepperoni slices, sliced pepper Jack cheese, celery sticks, carrot sticks, dill dip, chips and crackers. I also have a lovely brie.
I'll be right over. Wine, beer or Basil Heyden's?
278 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:15:20am |
279 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:17:44am |
I bet you could find some good yam videos on YouTuber.
280 | jaunte Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:18:02am |
Happy Thanksgiving everyone. We're making a feast here to carry over to my sister's house, only slightly hampered by my old cat Sam's decision to be Shoulder Cat for the day.
281 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:19:03am |
re: #279 Mad Al-Jaffee
I bet you could find some good yam videos on YouTuber.
I thought it was YouTube? It must be my age, I can't keep up with all these social sites and the names seem to change (or there are new name) every week.
282 | right_wing2 Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:19:44am |
re: #262 Walter L. Newton
Unfortunately whoever coded our new software made it very difficult for us to produce anything.
It's said that an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of keyboards for an infinite amount of time would reproduce Shakespeare's works. Same number of monkeys, same number of keyboards, same amount of time? They couldn't possibly produce software that's as big a piece of sh-t as this one.
283 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:22:24am |
re: #282 right_wing2
Unfortunately whoever coded our new software made it very difficult for us to produce anything.
It's said that an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of keyboards for an infinite amount of time would reproduce Shakespeare's works. Same number of monkeys, same number of keyboards, same amount of time? They couldn't possibly produce software that's as big a piece of sh-t as this one.
What software are you talking about?
284 | Bloodnok Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:23:44am |
re: #253 Gang of One
That was fantastic. I taught myself to play the first minute of that song in my own ham-fisted way and thought I was something special. That guy made it look too easy.
285 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:24:14am |
re: #277 Gang of One
I'll be right over. Wine, beer or Basil Heyden's?
I've the latter but no beer. I do have a bottle of Moet & Chandon.
286 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:25:25am |
288 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:25:55am |
re: #281 Walter L. Newton
I thought it was YouTube? It must be my age, I can't keep up with all these social sites and the names seem to change (or there are new name) every week.
Yams. Tubers.
289 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:26:20am |
290 | right_wing2 Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:26:22am |
re: #283 Walter L. Newton
Insurance-related. Our office only- luckily for everyone else that writes insurance.
My guess is someone upstairs either lost a bet with one of our competitors, or is related to someone at the company, or had some serious bucks invested with them.
It's slow, unreliable, clunky and (a year into using it) shuts down an average of twice per day per terminal. Mine was down twice in the first 10 minutes yesterday.
292 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:26:47am |
293 | jaunte Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:27:11am |
re: #287 Sharmuta
Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Sharmuta. Have a wonderful day.
294 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:27:21am |
295 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:28:15am |
re: #272 MandyManners
I'm not a big fan of pie but, I'm baking a pumpkin pie and a pecan pie.
One benefit of putting food up in the summer is that you have bottled sunshine and warmth in the winter: corn I cut off the cob, purple-hull peas (and bread-and-butter pickles) and green beans (for the green bean casserole). They'll go with a turkey that was alive on Tuesday and delivered to me yesterday, mashed taters, sweet potatoes, giblet gravy and fresh cranberry relish.
My grazing platter has black olives, almond-stuffed green olives, gherkins, pepperoni slices, sliced pepper Jack cheese, celery sticks, carrot sticks, dill dip, chips and crackers. I also have a lovely brie.
It's actually a gallette, sort of a gigantic tart, with pears and blueberries for the filling.
You've got a lot more patience than me when it comes to storing food. Of course, the fact that you've got an appetizer tray indicates a degree of organization far in excess of mine. Sounds excellent.
296 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:28:26am |
298 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:29:43am |
The Northern Territory government announced its plan Wednesday for Docker River, a town of 350 residents where thirsty camels have been arriving daily for weeks because of drought conditions in the region.
SNIP
299 | 2senseplain Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:30:29am |
re: #264 Gang of One
Ein Sof= Without End
Yam Suf = Sea of Reeds aka the Red Sea
300 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:31:33am |
Things I'm thankful for:
Old Heroes:
Hero who led last major U.S. bayonet charge dies
[Link: www.army.mil...]
A captain at the time, Millet was leading his company in an attack against a strongly held position when he noticed that a platoon was pinned down by small-arms, automatic, and antitank fire.Millett placed himself at the head of two other platoons, ordered fixed bayonets, and led an assault up the fire-swept hill. In the fierce charge, Millett bayoneted two enemy soldiers and continued on, throwing grenades, clubbing and bayoneting the enemy, while urging his men forward by shouting encouragement, according to his Medal of Honor citation.
Bad.Ass.
New Heroes:
[Link: www.army.mil...]
Guard Soldier trades guitar for gun
After seven years in the band, Raia, now a sergeant, decided to take a year away from performing and volunteer for a combat tour. Since mobilization in January, Raia has served as a door gunner on a CH-47 Chinook helicopter with Company B, 2nd Battalion, 104th Aviation Regiment.Over the years he was in the band, Raia came to believe he should deploy with a combat unit.
"Our job (in the band) is unique in that we are in the public eye often, and we often get thanked for our service by people in our audiences," Raia said. "I would find myself conflicted, because while it is true that we, as a unit, were serving our country in the way in which we were meant to serve, I also felt as if I should be doing more."
Troops just kick ass.
301 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:31:50am |
re: #295 SixDegrees
It's actually a gallette, sort of a gigantic tart, with pears and blueberries for the filling.
You've got a lot more patience than me when it comes to storing food. Of course, the fact that you've got an appetizer tray indicates a degree of organization far in excess of mine. Sounds excellent.
I love putting up vegetables! It's a ritual and takes a long time, from either growing it myself or buying it at the farmers' market, but, cracking open a jar in the middle of the winter is worth the time and money.
302 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:32:16am |
re: #296 Walter L. Newton
Mandy. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Yam recipes on YouTuber.
Yams are sweet potatoes which are tubers.
303 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:32:42am |
304 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:33:31am |
re: #300 RogueOne
Read the entire thing about Millett. That mans career was incredible.
305 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:33:39am |
re: #302 MandyManners
Yam recipes on YouTuber.
Yams are sweet potatoes which are tubers.
And they have recipes on YouTube?
306 | KronoGhazi Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:34:22am |
307 | philosophus invidius Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:35:42am |
Yam vs. Sweet Potato:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
308 | jaunte Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:35:45am |
re: #302 MandyManners
Yam recipes on YouTuber.
Yams are sweet potatoes which are tubers.
They look more like ovalers.
309 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:35:48am |
310 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:35:50am |
re: #300 RogueOne
Spike (at least I think that's the channel) is airing a Band of Brothers marathon today.
311 | right_wing2 Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:36:18am |
re: #300 RogueOne
I'm thankful for our men & women in uniform, past & present.
I'm thankful for family & friends.
I'm thankful for my wife of 4 1/2 months.
As much as I dislike it, I'm thankful I have a job.
I'm thankful for the great church I'm a part of.
312 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:37:54am |
I did lot of prep work yesterday but, there is a bit of work to do today. bbiab
313 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:38:22am |
Happy Thanksgiving, lizards. I am watching the Mumbai Memorial online, and ask that all of you pause for a moment to remember 172 innocent victims of a terror attack that lasted for 6 days.
My son has done an awesome job of rebuilding the Chabad House in Mumbai, and organizing this beautiful event. He is in Mumbai now, together with his brother, while their families are enjoying a Thanksgiving dinner in New York.
314 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:40:22am |
re: #313 Alouette
I hope you and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving.
315 | RogueOne Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:43:10am |
You folks enjoy your day. If I don't start helping out my spouse is going to beat me, and not in the cool way either. Cya!
316 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:47:50am |
Walter, Bloodnok, Hoops, and lawhawk-
I hope you gentlemen have a great Thanksgiving!
317 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:49:56am |
re: #316 Sharmuta
Walter, Bloodnok, Hoops, and lawhawk-
I hope you gentlemen have a great Thanksgiving!
Thanks. And the same to all, back to you.
318 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:50:18am |
re: #299 2senseplain
Ein Sof= Without End
Yam Suf = Sea of Reeds aka the Red Sea
Ein Sof -- the Abyss separating the Supernals [Keter, Hochma, Bina] from the lowers Spheres.
319 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:50:39am |
re: #272 MandyManners
I'm not a big fan of pie but, I'm baking a pumpkin pie and a pecan pie.
One benefit of putting food up in the summer is that you have bottled sunshine and warmth in the winter: corn I cut off the cob, purple-hull peas (and bread-and-butter pickles) and green beans (for the green bean casserole). They'll go with a turkey that was alive on Tuesday and delivered to me yesterday, mashed taters, sweet potatoes, giblet gravy and fresh cranberry relish.
My grazing platter has black olives, almond-stuffed green olives, gherkins, pepperoni slices, sliced pepper Jack cheese, celery sticks, carrot sticks, dill dip, chips and crackers. I also have a lovely brie.
STUFFING! How could I forget the stuffing?
321 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:51:48am |
re: #315 RogueOne
You folks enjoy your day. If I don't start helping out my spouse is going to beat me, and not in the cool way either. Cya!
Get it on video, put it up on YouTubers.
322 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:52:36am |
re: #275 Gang of One
Boog, I think you'll like this one, too.
Ah man. You kiddin' me? I love all the great keyboard players.
You made me think of another Isao I've been listening to since the late 70's:
323 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:53:36am |
re: #313 Alouette
Happy Thanksgiving, lizards. I am watching the Mumbai Memorial online, and ask that all of you pause for a moment to remember 172 innocent victims of a terror attack that lasted for 6 days.
My son has done an awesome job of rebuilding the Chabad House in Mumbai, and organizing this beautiful event. He is in Mumbai now, together with his brother, while their families are enjoying a Thanksgiving dinner in New York.
Another attack by fanatical Amish and Quakers!!!
/
324 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:55:12am |
re: #322 Boogberg
Ah man. You kiddin' me? I love all the great keyboard players.
You made me think of another Isao I've been listening to since the late 70's:
Thanks, Boog. But, ah, that linky goes to ... Harry Chapin. NTTAWWT.
325 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:56:30am |
re: #323 Mad Al-Jaffee
Another attack by fanatical Amish and Quakers!!!
/
Clomp, clomp, clomp,BANG, clomp, clomp ...
/Amish drive-by shooting.
326 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:57:19am |
I hope everyone is sharing today with friends and family. I'm going to my mother's house, like I always do (with a smoked turkey breast to add to the feast.)
I invited a friend who is recently separated, soon to be divorced. He won't be spending the day with his estranged wife and very young daughter. It's a good time for him to be around people and good food. And I might get him to be the designated driver! :)
327 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:58:21am |
re: #322 Boogberg
Ah man. You kiddin' me? I love all the great keyboard players.
You made me think of another Isao I've been listening to since the late 70's:
Oops!
328 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 7:58:25am |
re: #322 Boogberg
Ah man. You kiddin' me? I love all the great keyboard players.
You made me think of another Isao I've been listening to since the late 70's:
Maybe here?
329 | philosophus invidius Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:03:22am |
re: #326 Mad Al-Jaffee
I hope everyone is sharing today with friends and family. I'm going to my mother's house, like I always do (with a smoked turkey breast to add to the feast.)
I invited a friend who is recently separated, soon to be divorced. He won't be spending the day with his estranged wife and very young daughter. It's a good time for him to be around people and good food. And I might get him to be the designated driver! :)
331 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:05:36am |
Does anyone NOT celebrate Thanksgiving in the Unite States. After all, it's a religious holiday, and not everyone care about the religious aspects of the day?
332 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:07:15am |
re: #326 Mad Al-Jaffee
I hope everyone is sharing today with friends and family.
Years ago, a friend of mine and I took turns hosting a couple Stay Cat's Thanksgivings. We both invited others we knew without family in town to join us, and bring a dish to share with everyone, so it was also a bit Pot Luck.
The first year we did this we had at my place, and it was the most fun any of us could remember having on Thanksgiving ever- the food and wine flowed freely, and the pot luck worked out incredibly. Had about 14 people and a good time was had by all.
The next year we had at her place, much smaller crowd, but much better food, as we brined the turkey that year. We also had a Japanese couple from her building who were enjoying their first Thanksgiving in America, so what we missed in number from the year before, we made up for in diversity. And we couldn't believe how much food this tiny couple from Japan could put away. He had three helpings of everything!
So- even if some folks aren't able to be with relatives, a Thanksgiving with good friends can be just as memorable and gratifying as any other.
333 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:07:17am |
re: #331 Walter L. Newton
Does anyone NOT celebrate Thanksgiving in the Unite States. After all, it's a religious holiday, and not everyone care about the religious aspects of the day?
Being grateful and giving thanks is not a religious activity.
335 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:09:36am |
Just got up, coffee and logged in. HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL!
336 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:10:50am |
re: #334 MandyManners
:(
I had him picked up, so he could get the medical care he needs. I will call the pet hospital tomorrow and get an update on him, but he was not eating, so he needed to see a doctor. I thought that was what was best for him...
337 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:10:53am |
re: #333 MandyManners
Being grateful and giving thanks is not a religious activity.
This whole holiday was based on a group of people who were running from religious persecution. They were giving thanks to a deity. It's a religious holiday.
338 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:11:24am |
re: #331 Walter L. Newton
My friend who I invited to dinner asked me how we celebrate Thanksgiving. I told him it's just a normal Thanksgiving dinner, nothing Jewish about it.
He'll be surprised when we bring out the Catholic and Muslim babies for the blood sacrifice.
//
340 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:13:05am |
re: #338 Mad Al-Jaffee
My friend who I invited to dinner asked me how we celebrate Thanksgiving. I told him it's just a normal Thanksgiving dinner, nothing Jewish about it.
He'll be surprised when we bring out the Catholic and Muslim babies for the blood sacrifice.
//
No funny. Thanksgiving is a religious holiday, one supported by our tax dollars, federal employees have today (and many tomorrow) off, I don't understand how that works. If I want to see a nativity scene at the courthouse, I can't.
341 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:13:54am |
re: #339 Killgore Trout
Thanks, KT. I hope he can be helped. And I hope you have a good Thanksgiving.
342 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:14:12am |
re: #336 Sharmuta
Sorry to hear that. Keeping his best interests was / is the best thing. We are sad for ya...
343 | metrolibertarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:14:29am |
Republicans worried about the direction their party is headed will be thrilled by the fact this guy is running for the GOP nomination in my Congressional District: [Link: www.georgehutchins.com...]
He's affiliated with some group called NIM International, which believes Rudolph Hess was wrongfully executed following World War II, that North European ethnicity is something to be celebrated, and is a proud member of the Tea Party movement.
And it's legit, I checked with the FEC (the site is so shittily designed, I was unsure it was serious) and he's got a "campaign war chest."
344 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:15:14am |
re: #335 Rightwingconspirator
Just got up, coffee and logged in. HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL!
GOBBLEGOBBLEGOBBLE!
345 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:15:56am |
re: #336 Sharmuta
:(
I had him picked up, so he could get the medical care he needs. I will call the pet hospital tomorrow and get an update on him, but he was not eating, so he needed to see a doctor. I thought that was what was best for him...
(((Sharmuta&StinkyBastard)))
You're a peach!
346 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:16:14am |
re: #337 Walter L. Newton
This whole holiday was based on a group of people who were running from religious persecution. They were giving thanks to a deity. It's a religious holiday.
Ummm...so what if it is?
347 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:16:51am |
348 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:16:53am |
re: #338 Mad Al-Jaffee
My friend who I invited to dinner asked me how we celebrate Thanksgiving. I told him it's just a normal Thanksgiving dinner, nothing Jewish about it.
He'll be surprised when we bring out the Catholic and Muslim babies for the blood sacrifice.
//
Chewed-up celery everywhere!
349 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:17:51am |
re: #347 Walter L. Newton
I don't celebrate religious holidays.
What do you want to do? Ban Thanksgiving and Christmas for federal employees?
350 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:18:03am |
re: #347 Walter L. Newton
Think of it as our harvest festival, something you see in nearly every culture, religious or not.
351 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:19:40am |
re: #347 Walter L. Newton
I don't celebrate religious holidays.
It's become fairly secular, and can be adapted to any belief system. My friend who hosted the second Stray Cat's Thanksgiving is a pagan. I know agnostics who celebrate it too. Mostly people want food. Maybe some football.
352 | Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:20:14am |
re: #341 Sharmuta
Happy Thanksgiving to you.
353 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:20:57am |
Charles,
Would you delete #322 so no one will know I was drinking?
Thanks!
354 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:20:58am |
re: #343 metrolibertarian
OMG. That is the worst garish & cluttered web I ever saw. Just screams amateur RUBE!!!
355 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:22:06am |
re: #349 MandyManners
What do you want to do? Ban Thanksgiving and Christmas for federal employees?
Wouldn't congress actually have to do that? IIRC, they made Presidents day for both Lincoln and Washington (instead of seperate) so the could add MLK day.
356 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:22:18am |
re: #353 Boogberg
Charles,
Would you delete #322 so no one will know I was drinking?
Thanks!
Whatcha' drinking?
357 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:23:03am |
re: #355 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wouldn't congress actually have to do that? IIRC, they made Presidents day for both Lincoln and Washington (instead of seperate) so the could add MLK day.
I think Walter's complaining about the religious aspect of the founding of Thanksgiving.
358 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:23:24am |
re: #344 MandyManners
GOBBLEGOBBLEGOBBLE!
What would be the response to those who eat tofurkey?
SILENCESILENCESILENCESILENCE?
359 | Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:23:31am |
Proof of Marxism: Spreading the wealth around
360 | metrolibertarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:24:13am |
re: #354 Rightwingconspirator
OMG. That is the worst garish & cluttered web I ever saw. Just screams amateur RUBE!!!
I seriously thought it was some joke by a local Democrat or something.
As far as I can tell he has no opponents, since the dude who ran in 2008 hasn't formally declared whether he plans on losing to David Price again. The scary thing is, Raleigh/Durham Republicans have nominated people as bigoted as this Neo Nazi (on the NIM International site, he's proudly shaking hands with the head of the National Democratic Party of Germany [who claimed the Jews got Obama elected]) in the past, most recently Vernon Robinson in 2006.
361 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:24:14am |
re: #358 Mad Al-Jaffee
What would be the response to those who eat tofurkey?
SILENCESILENCESILENCESILENCE?
Don't pick on FBV.
///
362 | philosophus invidius Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:24:42am |
re: #337 Walter L. Newton
But that is just the origin of the holiday. (I actually thought it could be traced farther back than what you are mentioning.) The relgious origin doesn't mean it is still religious. Just ask the socialists who celebrate May Day (also with a religious origin). Compare that to Christmas. Many secular people celebrate it for the gift-giving etc. But no one from a different religion would celebrate Thanksgiving.
363 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:25:31am |
re: #356 MandyManners
15 beers left. When these are gone, that's it. No more beer runs. :D
364 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:25:36am |
re: #349 MandyManners
What do you want to do? Ban Thanksgiving and Christmas for federal employees?
That's a good start. There is no way that the holiday is secular. If it wasn't for the hundreds and hundreds of years of celebrating Christmas time as a memorial to the birth of a religious figure, we would not even think of doing something special at this time of year.
And it's the same thing with Thanksgiving. "Thanksgiving Day is a harvest festival celebrated primarily in Canada and the United States. Traditionally, it is a time to give thanks for the harvest and express gratitude in general. While perhaps religious in origin..."
Religious in origin. Point is, the holiday would not even exist if it wasn't for the religious origins behind it.
Both holidays should not be supported by taxpayers money by paying federal and state employees for the day off.
It's the same as not spending taxpayers money on other religiously based celebrations, right?
365 | Nene1 Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:25:37am |
That hut looks familiar.
Isn't there another view of it on the LGF Calendar for 2010 ?
366 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:25:37am |
re: #358 Mad Al-Jaffee
What would be the response to those who eat tofurkey?
SILENCESILENCESILENCESILENCE?
What's the sound of soy beans?
367 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:25:53am |
Gotta go prep the Egg (the Big Green one) for the turkey breast. Have a great day everyone.
And thank science for this day! (South Park reference for those of you who might wonder)
368 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:26:39am |
re: #350 Rightwingconspirator
Think of it as our harvest festival, something you see in nearly every culture, religious or not.
It's not a harvest festival, it was a time dedicated to thanking a god.
369 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:26:42am |
re: #359 Killgore Trout
Proof of Marxism: Spreading the wealth around
That's not the kind of spreading the wealth around he was talking about with Joe the Plumber.
370 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:27:02am |
re: #363 Boogberg
15 beers left. When these are gone, that's it. No more beer runs. :D
I'd pee for a week.
371 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:27:51am |
re: #366 MandyManners
Just like a little boy running through puddles.
372 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:27:55am |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
I'm not gonna' engage in this debate right now, Walter.
373 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:28:38am |
re: #371 Rightwingconspirator
Just like a little boy running through puddles.
I still do that sometimes.
374 | metrolibertarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:29:00am |
re: #359 Killgore Trout
Proof of Marxism: Spreading the wealth around
It just can't be overstated how obvious it is that Barack Obama hates Jesus and everything Jesus taught. Clearly he's ignoring the "give a man a pie and he eats for a day, teach a man to bake a pie, " and so on out of spite.
/RS McCain
375 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:29:21am |
re: #362 philosophus invidius
But that is just the origin of the holiday. (I actually thought it could be traced farther back than what you are mentioning.) The relgious origin doesn't mean it is still religious. Just ask the socialists who celebrate May Day (also with a religious origin). Compare that to Christmas. Many secular people celebrate it for the gift-giving etc. But no one from a different religion would celebrate Thanksgiving.
Don't matter. People are fooling themselves when they say Christmas is not a religious holiday. You can make up all the reasons it's not, but there would be NOTHING special about Dec. 25 and anything happening around that time if it wasn't because the foundation is all based on religion.
Same as Thanksgiving.
376 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:29:37am |
re: #371 Rightwingconspirator
Just like a little boy running through puddles.
As a kid I was told doing that would give me ring worm.
377 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:29:53am |
re: #353 Boogberg
Charles,
Would you delete #322 so no one will know I was drinking?
Thanks!
That's part of your permanent record, boychic. And besides, I took a screen-shot of it.
DRINK!
378 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:29:56am |
379 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:30:41am |
re: #376 Cannadian Club Akbar
As a kid I was told doing that would give me ring worm.
I was told that playing with the fireplace would make me pee in my bed at night.
380 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:30:49am |
re: #340 Walter L. Newton
No funny. Thanksgiving is a religious holiday, one supported by our tax dollars, federal employees have today (and many tomorrow) off, I don't understand how that works. If I want to see a nativity scene at the courthouse, I can't.
Stop whining.
381 | Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:31:21am |
382 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:31:30am |
383 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:32:31am |
re: #366 MandyManners
What's the sound of soy beans?
That, Grasshopper, IS the sound of soy beans.
/Master Po mode off
384 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:33:19am |
re: #372 MandyManners
I'm not gonna' engage in this debate right now, Walter.
And that's the problem. The point I am trying to make is that Christians have allowed the secular world to co-opt a very important religious celebration. Christians are happy to agree that it's a "winter festival" or that it's a "harvest festival," let's include everyone, let's water down the real meanings.
No, I want to see Thanksgiving and Christmas to have the full meanings of what they were intended for. I won't accept these make believe holidays, what they have become, they mean nothing in this form.
I'm surprised Christians have even let this happen.
386 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:33:35am |
re: #375 Walter L. Newton
Don't matter. People are fooling themselves when they say Christmas is not a religious holiday. You can make up all the reasons it's not, but there would be NOTHING special about Dec. 25 and anything happening around that time if it wasn't because the foundation is all based on religion.
Same as Thanksgiving.
Christmas is the biggest holiday in this country. I would never support derecognition. It matters too much to people to mess with it.
387 | philosophus invidius Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:33:36am |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
Christmas is a federal holiday not because the government endorses Christianity, but rather for the pragmatic reason that the overwhelming majority of people want that day off so the gov't wouldn't function anyway. Jews will take off for Yom Kippur etc., but there are enough Gentiles so that things run smoothly anyway. But in NY, schools are closed for Jewish holidays: otherwise some schools would be nearly half-empty.
In fact, you could say the same thing about Thanksgiving--even though it is not a religious holiday.
389 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:34:15am |
re: #376 Cannadian Club Akbar
As a kid I was told doing that would give me ring worm.
Only if you did it with bare feet ... in bed.
390 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:35:24am |
re: #386 Dark_Falcon
Christmas is the biggest holiday in this country. I would never support derecognition. It matters too much to people to mess with it.
It has been messed with. It means nothing anymore, and Christians are happy to have had it co-opted by a bunch of secularists.
391 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:35:35am |
re: #377 Gang of One
That's part of your permanent record, boychic. And besides, I took a screen-shot of it.
DRINK!
You blemished my record. You bastard!
What's a "boychic" btw? Did you just call me a fag? :D
392 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:35:39am |
re: #384 Walter L. Newton
And that's the problem. The point I am trying to make is that Christians have allowed the secular world to co-opt a very important religious celebration. Christians are happy to agree that it's a "winter festival" or that it's a "harvest festival," let's include everyone, let's water down the real meanings.
No, I want to see Thanksgiving and Christmas to have the full meanings of what they were intended for. I won't accept these make believe holidays, what they have become, they mean nothing in this form.
I'm surprised Christians have even let this happen.
Didn't the Catholic church co-opt Saturnalia and the feast of the sun god?
393 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:35:43am |
re: #382 Boogberg
Lol! :D
Yes, the curse on beer drinkers everywhere. :D
One never buys beer; one only rents it.
394 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:36:03am |
re: #389 Gang of One
Only if you did it with bare feet ... in bed.
What, you could afford shoes as a kid?
//Richard Jenni mode off
///Monty Python as well
395 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:36:08am |
re: #387 philosophus invidius
Christmas is a federal holiday not because the government endorses Christianity, but rather for the pragmatic reason that the overwhelming majority of people want that day off so the gov't wouldn't function anyway. Jews will take off for Yom Kippur etc., but there are enough Gentiles so that things run smoothly anyway. But in NY, schools are closed for Jewish holidays: otherwise some schools would be nearly half-empty.
In fact, you could say the same thing about Thanksgiving--even though it is not a religious holiday.
I thought Lincoln made Thanksgiving a holiday.
Either way its a paid holiday for us (federal employee), so the fact that I worked in the morning means 4 hours of overtime baby!
Oh and Happy Thanksgiving from Crete, btw!
396 | philosophus invidius Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:36:27am |
re: #375 Walter L. Newton
I mistyped: I meant to say that no one from a different religion would celebrate Christmas because it is a religious holiday despite its secular prominence. That is, Jews will celebrate Thanksgiving, but not Christmas.
397 | dartmydog Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:36:30am |
re: #378 MandyManners
I remember being in France, at this guy's crazy old reconstructed 15th Century house, was no palace, anyways he had these speakers set up all around the house and me and my girl were laying in bed one night at the other side of the house and suddenly this song started to play, that same night we had taken some lsd and as we lay in bed listening to Arlo we looked at each other, stars shining through a huge bay window that overlooked the Courbiere mountains, I was truly happy then.
Some pics of this crazy, beautiful area:
[Link: wikitravel.org...]
398 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:36:49am |
re: #390 Walter L. Newton
It has been messed with. It means nothing anymore, and Christians are happy to have had it co-opted by a bunch of secularists.
It means plenty to me, Walter. The Christmas season is when I make my money. Tomorrow is my biggest selling day of the year.
399 | metrolibertarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:36:56am |
Andrew Bird - Oh No
It amazes me how talented Andrew Bird is with literally every facet of music he attempts (he only started playing the guitar a few years ago).
400 | Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:37:01am |
401 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:37:04am |
re: #392 MandyManners
Didn't the Catholic church co-opt Saturnalia and the feast of the sun god?
Hey, if you are happy having Christmas co-opted as a "winter festival" and Thanksgiving as a "harvest festival" then go for it. I'm not. I want the meaning back or else I'm not interested in supporting this watered down bullshit.
402 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:37:11am |
re: #392 MandyManners
Didn't the Catholic church co-opt Saturnalia and the feast of the sun god?
Let's not get into THAT conspiracy again! The fact that Jesus was most likely born in the spring and not the winter is a complete sham!
///
404 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:38:07am |
re: #400 Killgore Trout
You lucky bastard! I'm sooo jealous.
How so? we only pulled in one last time before we go through the "ditch", that is, the Suez Canal into the Red Sea. We picked up a security force, and onloaded a bunch of cargo and fuel...
406 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:38:55am |
re: #384 Walter L. Newton
Walter I get it but I'm not won over. As American culture gets more secular the holidays evolve apace. That way the religious and the secular have less of a schism, and a more mature culture that welcomes a variety of people.
407 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:39:08am |
re: #403 Sharmuta
He did.
I wonder if Tribesmen (I refuse to call them either Indians or Native Americans) celebrate Thanksgiving?
409 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:39:20am |
I hear food preparation noises in the kitchen. Me likee!
410 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:39:46am |
re: #391 Boogberg
You blemished my record. You bastard!
What's a "boychic" btw? Did you just call me a fag? :D
Boychic -- a sort-of Yiddishification [from slightly Slavic-language roots] of the term 'boy'. Think: appartchik, no-goodnik, that sort of thing.
As far as me blemishing your record, deal with it. :>)
411 | Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:40:10am |
re: #404 Hengineer
Ah, you're on a boat ship. I thought you were relaxing on the island eating roast chicken and tsaziki.
412 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:40:15am |
re: #407 Hengineer
I wonder if Tribesmen (I refuse to call them either Indians or Native Americans) celebrate Thanksgiving?
They did the first year, despite not being Christians. I guess thankfulness knows no religion.
413 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:40:36am |
re: #401 Walter L. Newton
Hey, if you are happy having Christmas co-opted as a "winter festival" and Thanksgiving as a "harvest festival" then go for it. I'm not. I want the meaning back or else I'm not interested in supporting this watered down bullshit.
To me, Christmas was NEVER about the birth of Christ because we are not instructed to celebrate His birth but, his resurrection instead every Sunday through communion.
IIRC, it was decided by the Catholic church in the 500s or thereabouts to make it religious. Christianity existed long before a pope ever sat on an earthly throne.
414 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:40:51am |
re: #404 Hengineer
How so? we only pulled in one last time before we go through the "ditch", that is, the Suez Canal into the Red Sea. We picked up a security force, and onloaded a bunch of cargo and fuel...
Security force is for dealing with pirates, right? What sort of hardware are they using?
415 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:41:06am |
Now, I must get that turkey to roasting. bbl
416 | philosophus invidius Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:41:35am |
417 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:42:02am |
re: #355 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wouldn't congress actually have to do that? IIRC, they made Presidents day for both Lincoln and Washington (instead of seperate) so the could add MLK day.
All of our Presidents were Christians, so President's Day is a religious holiday.
418 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:42:07am |
re: #401 Walter L. Newton
Hey, if you are happy having Christmas co-opted as a "winter festival" and Thanksgiving as a "harvest festival" then go for it. I'm not. I want the meaning back or else I'm not interested in supporting this watered down bullshit.
Wouldn't atheists be pleased to have religious holidays secularized?
419 | metrolibertarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:43:17am |
re: #417 SixDegrees
All of our Presidents were Christians, so President's Day is a religious holiday.
Jefferson was a deist, not a Christian.
420 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:43:34am |
re: #413 MandyManners
To me, Christmas was NEVER about the birth of Christ because we are not instructed to celebrate His birth but, his resurrection instead every Sunday through communion.
IIRC, it was decided by the Catholic church in the 500s or thereabouts to make it religious. Christianity existed long before a pope ever sat on an earthly throne.
Well, it was for me, that's why the holiday exists, and no other reason. And it's been stolen from Christians. Same as Thanksgiving. I'm not settling for half-assed holidays that don't mean shit anymore.
421 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:44:04am |
re: #407 Hengineer
I wonder if Tribesmen (I refuse to call them either Indians or Native Americans) celebrate Thanksgiving?
Hen, absolutely no snark intended, but we all really are tribesmen. Perhaps one might call the folks you refer to as aboriginals, or by their own names for their nation[s]. Just a thought.
422 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:44:30am |
re: #419 metrolibertarian
Jefferson was a deist, not a Christian.
Same thing, according to some.
Of course, it's the same "some" who think the Ten Commandments are part of the Constitution. But I digress.
423 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:44:53am |
re: #414 Dark_Falcon
Wait a sec! None of these teams should reveal methods or gear.
424 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:44:55am |
re: #417 SixDegrees
All of our Presidents were Christians, so President's Day is a religious holiday.
Except for John F. Kennedy who was an evil papist!
///
j/k, I'm a papist too.
425 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:45:28am |
re: #418 Spare O'Lake
Wouldn't atheists be pleased to have religious holidays secularized?
I would hope an good atheist wouldn't be interested in co-opting a religious holiday...
426 | Digital Display Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:45:35am |
re: #408 Sharmuta
HAPPY THANKSGIVING, {HOOPS}!
Wishing you the very best this Day and that God show Grace on your Family as we show thankfulness for our life.
/Walters head just blew up
427 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:45:47am |
re: #421 Gang of One
Hen, absolutely no snark intended, but we all really are tribesmen. Perhaps one might call the folks you refer to as aboriginals, or by their own names for their nation[s]. Just a thought.
I know that, but to call them Indians is false, as India is on the other side of the world. To call them Native Americans is false as well, because their ancestors migrated here, just like mine did, they just migrated here earlier than mine.
428 | philosophus invidius Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:46:01am |
re: #420 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure what you're concerned about. You're free to celebrate these holidays however you wish.
429 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:46:43am |
re: #426 HoosierHoops
Wishing you the very best this Day and that God show Grace on your Family as we show thankfulness for our life.
/Walters head just blew up
No it didn't. That's what the holiday is really about, and you have no problem recognizing it. Good for you.
430 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:46:55am |
Any bets on how long it will take Roman Polanski to disappear, now that he's been granted bail?
431 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:47:54am |
re: #427 Hengineer
I know that, but to call them Indians is false, as India is on the other side of the world. To call them Native Americans is false as well, because their ancestors migrated here, just like mine did, they just migrated here earlier than mine.
Could not agree more, Hen. In all serious, maybe we should ask our fellow Lizards what might be a suitable referrer.
Guys, gals, any ideas?
432 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:48:18am |
re: #419 metrolibertarian
Jefferson was a deist, not a Christian.
Not just Jefferson. Washington, Franklin and Madison were also.
433 | Boogberg Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:48:28am |
Ok. Who wants to guess one of the six things you just know Charles will talk about this morning?
434 | J.S. Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:48:29am |
re: #340 Walter L. Newton
You're not being serious here, are you? ha, ha, ha...I rather doubt you believe that Thanksgiving is a "religious holiday." (but if that's really the case, why?)
435 | Digital Display Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:48:32am |
re: #429 Walter L. Newton
No it didn't. That's what the holiday is really about, and you have no problem recognizing it. Good for you.
Happy thanksgiving Walter...
I've got to be heading off in a few minutes.
436 | philosophus invidius Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:48:35am |
re: #418 Spare O'Lake
Holidays serve an important social function. That is why they are adapted from one religion to another and even to secular society.
Should atheists celebrate nothing?
437 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:48:49am |
re: #433 Boogberg
Ok. Who wants to guess one of the six things you just know Charles will talk about this morning?
I bet we get a thread about Thanksgiving.
438 | metrolibertarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:48:51am |
re: #422 SixDegrees
Same thing, according to some.
Of course, it's the same "some" who think the Ten Commandments are part of the Constitution. But I digress.
Well, I'll admit it seems every group wants to claim Jefferson as their own, even my fellow Atheists (I prefer to be intellectually honest and concede Jefferson didn't outright deny the existence of a super-natural being). I wouldn't be surprised to go to a Muslim forum and see Jefferson claimed as a fellow Muslim because he had a copy of the Qu'ran.
439 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:49:14am |
re: #423 Rightwingconspirator
Wait a sec! None of these teams should reveal methods or gear.
Methods, I agree. Showing off your hardware might actually deter attacks though. I don't intend to press the point, of course.
440 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:49:27am |
re: #432 Sharmuta
Not just Jefferson. Washington, Franklin and Madison were also.
Read someplace that Washington was a Rosicrucian, others as well.
441 | Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:50:00am |
re: #433 Boogberg
Ok. Who wants to guess one of the six things you just know Charles will talk about this morning?
Bollywood videos and organic gardening tips!
442 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:50:04am |
re: #433 Boogberg
Ok. Who wants to guess one of the six things you just know Charles will talk about this morning?
His bike ride?
443 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:50:11am |
re: #434 J.S.
You're not being serious here, are you? ha, ha, ha...I rather doubt you believe that Thanksgiving is a "religious holiday." (but if that's really the case, why?)
That's what it was...
"Thanksgiving Day is a harvest festival celebrated primarily in Canada and the United States. Traditionally, it is a time to give thanks for the harvest and express gratitude in general. While perhaps religious in origin, Thanksgiving is now primarily identified as a secular holiday. [1]"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Secularist have stolen it from Christians and god-believing people.
444 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:51:04am |
re: #436 philosophus invidius
Holidays serve an important social function. That is why they are adapted from one religion to another and even to secular society.
Should atheists celebrate nothing?
If they were true to themselves.
445 | Digital Display Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:51:06am |
"May your stuffing be tasty
May your turkey plump,
May your potatoes and gravy
Have nary a lump.
May your yams be delicious
And your pies take the prize,
And may your Thanksgiving dinner
Stay off your thighs!" – (Anonymous)
446 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:51:13am |
re: #440 Gang of One
Read someplace that Washington was a Rosicrucian, others as well.
Founding Fathers, Deists, Orthodox Christians, and the Spiritual Context of 18th Century America
447 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:51:37am |
re: #436 philosophus invidius
Holidays serve an important social function. That is why they are adapted from one religion to another and even to secular society.
Should atheists celebrate nothing?
Good idea...Happy Nothing Day!
/
448 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:51:56am |
re: #430 SixDegrees
Any bets on how long it will take Roman Polanski to disappear, now that he's been granted bail?
He's going to be held with electronic monitoring. That should suffice to keep him contained, and the granting of bail still may be appealed. I don't think he'll be able to run, though I do hope Switzerland's supreme court denies him bail. If you've got a record of running, you should be remanded.
449 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:52:13am |
re: #431 Gang of One
Just find the name of the tribe, and go with that. Around here we have the Gabrielinos. As in San Gabriel mountains.
I have heard locals called indigenous people by anthropologists.
450 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:52:46am |
re: #433 Boogberg
Apart from some breaking news thing... I'll never get it right.
451 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:55:33am |
re: #439 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, I think those ultra loud things are useful that way. But defensive gear on ships is (foolishly) this big no no at sea for civilian ships. So many go with the "easier to get forgiveness than permission" thing.
I'd like to see some ships dawdle through the danger zone and be a venus flytrap for Pirates.
452 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:55:53am |
re: #446 Sharmuta
Founding Fathers, Deists, Orthodox Christians, and the Spiritual Context of 18th Century America
Excellent link. Thanks, Sharm.
453 | philosophus invidius Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:56:46am |
re: #444 Walter L. Newton
No birthday parties? 4th of July?
454 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:58:47am |
re: #449 Rightwingconspirator
Just find the name of the tribe, and go with that. Around here we have the Gabrielinos. As in San Gabriel mountains.
I have heard locals called indigenous people by anthropologists.
well if being born there means indigenous, then we're all indigenous.
455 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:58:50am |
re: #453 philosophus invidius
No birthday parties? 4th of July?
I'm talking about holiday and celebrations that have it's foundations in a religious activity, nothing else.
456 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:59:03am |
re: #453 philosophus invidius
July 4th is a day on the calendar. It's Independence Day.
458 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 8:59:57am |
re: #455 Walter L. Newton
I'm talking about holiday and celebrations that have it's foundations in a religious activity, nothing else.
The word "Holiday" originated from "Holy Day", as in holy days of obligation all Christians-then Catholics- were supposed to observe.
459 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:00:38am |
re: #454 Hengineer
I think the definition is more than that, as in x number of generations.
Is there an Anthropologist in the house?
I just play one on the web :)
461 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:01:17am |
re: #451 Rightwingconspirator
Yeah, I think those ultra loud things are useful that way. But defensive gear on ships is (foolishly) this big no no at sea for civilian ships. So many go with the "easier to get forgiveness than permission" thing.
I'd like to see some ships dawdle through the danger zone and be a venus flytrap for Pirates.
The "ultra loud things" are called LRADs, BTW. The concept of a ship acting as a trap is called a Q-Ship (it's originally a Royal Navy term). I'd like to try that myself. The pirate skiff gets close, then the ship opens up with dual .50 cals and blows them to Hell. Film the killing and post the footage. After the pirates see a few such killings, there will be fewer pirate attacks.
462 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:01:47am |
Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have a secularized religious holiday than a government sanctioned observation of odious ideologies. I prefer Thanksgiving to May Day.
463 | J.S. Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:03:08am |
re: #455 Walter L. Newton
As an atheist you're grousing because secularists have "stolen" the meaning of Thanksgiving "from Christians and god-believing people?" Seems to me you should be celebrating that...
464 | Buck Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:03:58am |
IAEA to vote on demand Iran freeze new nuclear site
World powers are demanding that Iran immediately mothball a uranium enrichment site it hid for years, heightening fears it is planning to build atom bombs, in a resolution to be voted on by U.N. nuclear watchdog governors.
Diplomats forecast majority approval for the resolution in a vote in Vienna by the International Atomic Energy Agency's (IAEA) 35-nation governing board on Thursday or Friday in what would be its first action against Iran in almost four years.
465 | jaunte Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:04:27am |
re: #462 Sharmuta
Walter is correct that religious holidays are getting secularized, but I'm not sure how anyone would defend their holiday from other people outside the faith choosing to celebrate on the same day.
466 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:04:36am |
I just saw this story. Remember the little girl in North Carolina who was murdered after being sold out by her own mother? Turns out that Shaquille O'Neal paid for her funeral after he heard about the case. A true class act, that man. He at least gave a decent end to a very sad story.
467 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:05:31am |
re: #462 Sharmuta
Count me in with you. The May Day follies are NOT for me.
468 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:05:48am |
re: #465 jaunte
Walter is correct that religious holidays are getting secularized, but I'm not sure how anyone would defend their holiday from other people outside the faith choosing to celebrate on the same day.
The local Scientologists place a Christmas tree in their office window in December. It would be rather un-Christian to demand they take it down.
469 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:06:37am |
re: #463 J.S.
As an atheist you're grousing because secularists have "stolen" the meaning of Thanksgiving "from Christians and god-believing people?" Seems to me you should be celebrating that...
Seems to me that there is a problem with Christianity since they let it all be co-opted, and many of them seems tickled over it. I know I would be fighting tooth and nail to have my "holy day" and everything it means, and not watered down by secularist, big business and popular media.
470 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:06:47am |
472 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:07:27am |
While surrfing earlier today I paused at Fox when I heard the word "Illuminati" mentioned. Something about the person who exposed it will be on Hannity tonight. WTF?
473 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:07:33am |
re: #469 Walter L. Newton
I know I would be fighting tooth and nail to have my "holy day" and everything it means, and not watered down by secularist, big business and popular media.
BIG SANTA IS RIPPING US OFF!
474 | metrolibertarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:07:45am |
re: #463 J.S.
As an atheist you're grousing because secularists have "stolen" the meaning of Thanksgiving "from Christians and god-believing people?" Seems to me you should be celebrating that...
I'm an Atheist who's bothered by secularization of religious specific holidays, if only because it seems to be kind of intellectually dishonest to go about pretending days like Christmas and Easter aren't explicitly based on an event of importance to people who practice whatever superstition they enjoy most.
Denying that Christmas is a pretty explicitly religious holiday isn't part of being an Atheist in my view, it's more like being a hater.
475 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:08:32am |
re: #464 Buck
IAEA to vote on demand Iran freeze new nuclear site
World powers are demanding that Iran immediately mothball a uranium enrichment site it hid for years, heightening fears it is planning to build atom bombs, in a resolution to be voted on by U.N. nuclear watchdog governors.
Diplomats forecast majority approval for the resolution in a vote in Vienna by the International Atomic Energy Agency's (IAEA) 35-nation governing board on Thursday or Friday in what would be its first action against Iran in almost four years.
Another futile gesture from a toothless organization. Iran flips the bird, keeps on centrifuging.
476 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:08:49am |
477 | philosophus invidius Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:08:58am |
re: #455 Walter L. Newton
I'm talking about holiday and celebrations that have it's foundations in a religious activity, nothing else.
Then you can celebrate in your religious way, and others can adopt the elements that they like and celebrate as they like. Secular holidays unify the country in subtle ways. And holidays made up from scratch don't work (see kwanzaa). Only holidays with traditions built over time feel authentic. Those holidays are mostly of religious origin, but the traditions are mostly not particularly religious.
478 | reine.de.tout Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:09:14am |
re: #466 Dark_Falcon
I just saw this story. Remember the little girl in North Carolina who was murdered after being sold out by her own mother? Turns out that Shaquille O'Neal paid for her funeral after he heard about the case. A true class act, that man. He at least gave a decent end to a very sad story.
Here's another class act - Warrick Dunn:
He played football for Atlanta Falcons and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
He is from Baton Rouge; his mother was a city police officer and was killed when he was in High School.
Dunn established the Warrick Dunn Foundation and the Homes for the Holidays program, which helps struggling single parents purchase homes. The program buys homes through a down payment provided by Dunn, who also worked with area sponsors to furnish and outfit the homes. The program, as of 2009, has assisted 86 single parents and 233 dependants in Atlanta, Baton Rouge, and Tampa, Florida. Dunn's goal is help these parents realize the dream that his mother was not able to give to him and his siblings, to own their own home.
479 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:09:45am |
re: #474 metrolibertarian
Well- co-opting Christianity happened long ago when they tied pagan symbols to the holidays in the hopes of gaining more converts. It worked, for the most part.
480 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:10:15am |
re: #468 Sharmuta
The local Scientologists place a Christmas tree in their office window in December. It would be rather un-Christian to demand they take it down.
Would it? I wish the local cities would stop using taxpayers money putting twinkle lights on bushes... there is no way you are going to convince me that those twinkle lights have nothing to do with a religious holiday. If it wasn't for the religious holiday, why would anyone consider putting twinkle lights on bushes all over downtown in the middle of winter?
481 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:10:32am |
re: #473 Sharmuta
BIG SANTA IS RIPPING US OFF!
So what? As long as he gives me my cut of your money I'm happy.
/Works retails and live in Cook County. Also kidding.
482 | jaunte Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:10:48am |
re: #476 Gang of One
Now see here, it's been definitively established that argument is an intellectual process, an exchange of holiday views, and not simply the automatic gainsaying of anything the other turkey says.
483 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:11:14am |
re: #472 MandyManners
While surrfing earlier today I paused at Fox when I heard the word "Illuminati" mentioned. Something about the person who exposed it will be on Hannity tonight. WTF?
I don't know if it's on tonight. But, I heard the rest for sure. I did a quick Google on Illuminati Sean Hannity and found several hits.
484 | J.S. Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:11:26am |
re: #474 metrolibertarian
hmmm...and here I thought the atheists were these people just filled with tolerance for all sorts of other, competing beliefs...guess not.
485 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:11:52am |
re: #474 metrolibertarian
I'm an Atheist who's bothered by secularization of religious specific holidays, if only because it seems to be kind of intellectually dishonest to go about pretending days like Christmas and Easter aren't explicitly based on an event of importance to people who practice whatever superstition they enjoy most.
Denying that Christmas is a pretty explicitly religious holiday isn't part of being an Atheist in my view, it's more like being a hater.
It took long enough and enough comments by me, but someone finally understands the honest truth of what I am saying.
Thanks.
486 | jaunte Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:12:34am |
re: #480 Walter L. Newton
It may be that twinkle lights increase economic activity in the dead of winter.
487 | Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:13:13am |
re: #472 MandyManners
While surrfing earlier today I paused at Fox when I heard the word "Illuminati" mentioned. Something about the person who exposed it will be on Hannity tonight. WTF?
Probably something about global warming. They're pushing the talking point that it's a NWO conspiracy to set up a world government.
488 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:13:14am |
re: #477 philosophus invidius
Then you can celebrate in your religious way, and others can adopt the elements that they like and celebrate as they like. Secular holidays unify the country in subtle ways. And holidays made up from scratch don't work (see kwanzaa). Only holidays with traditions built over time feel authentic. Those holidays are mostly of religious origin, but the traditions are mostly not particularly religious.
If I was a Christian, I wouldn't want anyone adopting my religious holiday in just anyway they like. I would want to protect my holiday and everything it means.
490 | metrolibertarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:13:36am |
re: #479 Sharmuta
Well- co-opting Christianity happened long ago when they tied pagan symbols to the holidays in the hopes of gaining more converts. It worked, for the most part.
Well that didn't take away from the religious/superstitious nature of the holiday though. I'm talking more about some of the more radical members of my "religious" philosophy who go so far as piss and moan about even the appearance of religion during Christmas celebrations. I don't even believe Jesus existed beyond being a simple Jewish radical at a time there were several walking around Jerusalem, but I can't seem to get offended at the appearance of a manger scene near a Christmas tree like some people feel they need to.
491 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:14:02am |
re: #487 Killgore Trout
Probably something about global warming. They're pushing the talking point that it's a NWO conspiracy to set up a world government.
I didn't get that impression at all.
How does one find out the list of topics for a future show?
492 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:14:05am |
re: #438 metrolibertarian
Well, I'll admit it seems every group wants to claim Jefferson as their own, even my fellow Atheists (I prefer to be intellectually honest and concede Jefferson didn't outright deny the existence of a super-natural being). I wouldn't be surprised to go to a Muslim forum and see Jefferson claimed as a fellow Muslim because he had a copy of the Qu'ran.
Actually, that has been claimed.
493 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:14:13am |
re: #486 jaunte
It may be that twinkle lights increase economic activity in the dead of winter.
Would they have ever been considered if it wasn't for the religious holiday that USE to take place at that time of year?
494 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:14:43am |
re: #482 jaunte
Now see here, it's been definitively established that argument is an intellectual process, an exchange of holiday views, and not simply the automatic gainsaying of anything the other turkey says.
No, it's not.
/I'm going over there for Getting Hit On the Head Lessons.
495 | jaunte Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:15:05am |
re: #493 Walter L. Newton
Maybe for the exchange of Mithraday gifts.
497 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:16:45am |
On another topic, where do we get the word "Greek" from? Considering the Greeks call themselves Hellenic? And if you attempt to call them Greek they get insulted and INSIST that they are Hellenic. I know the primary culture behind it is actually called "Hellenic", so if that's true then where in the hell did the word "Greek" or "Greece" come from?
498 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:16:59am |
499 | Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:17:42am |
re: #491 MandyManners
Does the mysterious secret society still exist? 'Hannity' investigates
It's some Davinci Code thing. Probably a paid promotion for the movie.
500 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:17:43am |
re: #498 MandyManners
GOBBLEGOBBLEGOBBLE!
Quiet down turkey, or I'll stuff you.
oooh that was bad...
501 | Right Brain Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:18:19am |
Climategate is spreading like wildfire, its difficult to find a newspaper that is not writing about it, wonder what the effects will be on the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference? Certainly has given the skeptics traction.
503 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:18:20am |
re: #497 Hengineer
On another topic, where do we get the word "Greek" from? Considering the Greeks call themselves Hellenic? And if you attempt to call them Greek they get insulted and INSIST that they are Hellenic. I know the primary culture behind it is actually called "Hellenic", so if that's true then where in the hell did the word "Greek" or "Greece" come from?
It's from the Latin, gracos...
504 | metrolibertarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:18:24am |
re: #497 Hengineer
[Link: www.dolphin-hellas.gr...]
The Hellines were first called "Γραικοί" ("Graeki" with the letter "G" pronounced "Y" as in "Yard") by the Illirians (present day Italians), when the former arrived in Italy from ancient Dodoni (city in Epirus, Greece) as colonists. According to another source, these colonists named Γραίοι or Γραίκοι ("Graii" or "Graeci"), came to Italy from Γραία ("Graia"), an ancient town in Viotia, Greece (maybe contemporary Tanagra) and founded a new Hellenic Colony there with the name Nea Polis (which means New City, later to become known as Napoli, or Naples in English). This was the very first time that the Latins came close to the Hellines (Greeks) and thus named them all "Graeci" after the citizens of Graia; and given that most modern European languages originate from Latin, the word "Graecus" became the root for all other respective names for Έλληνας and Ελλάς (Ελλάδα) ("Hellin" and "Hellas" or "Hellada"), e.g. Greek-Greece, Grec-Grèce, Grieche-Griechenland.
505 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:18:34am |
re: #494 Gang of One
No, it's not.
/I'm going over there for Getting Hit On the Head Lessons.
Lesson from Paula Deen?
506 | Racer X Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:19:00am |
re: #488 Walter L. Newton
If I was a Christian, I wouldn't want anyone adopting my religious holiday in just anyway they like. I would want to protect my holiday and everything it means.
Actually the Catholic church does not mind at all. It keeps certain aspects of Christianity alive in areas where it may not be. A subtle reminder.
For those who do not believe, it is simply a reason to celebrate humanity.
Enjoy!
507 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:20:04am |
re: #499 Killgore Trout
It's some Davinci Code thing. Probably a paid promotion for the movie.
That was from May of this year. I'm looking for a future schedule.
508 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:20:14am |
re: #499 Killgore Trout
It's some Davinci Code thing. Probably a paid promotion for the movie.
I'd guess so too. But its far too close to Alex Jones territory for my peace of mind.
509 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:20:25am |
510 | jaunte Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:20:41am |
re: #494 Gang of One
No, it's not.
/I'm going over there for Getting Hit On the Head Lessons.
If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
511 | Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:21:11am |
re: #497 Hengineer
Here's a debate on the topic.
Etymology of the name of Greece
512 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:21:12am |
re: #510 jaunte
If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
I'm not arguing.
513 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:21:31am |
re: #500 Hengineer
Quiet down turkey, or I'll stuff you.
oooh that was bad...
*WHACK*
/MandyManners mode off.
514 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:21:31am |
re: #508 Dark_Falcon
I'd guess so too. But its far too close to Alex Jones territory for my peace of mind.
Check out David Icke. The Satanic Bloodlines.
Steeped in anti-Semitism.
515 | metrolibertarian Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:21:38am |
re: #508 Dark_Falcon
Actually Hannity didn't go into the Dan Brown idiocy, but simply pointed out that the actual Illuminati was a group of Bavarians who were organized for all of 14 years. I was expecting some Alex Jones shit, but it was actually honest and accurate, which was in itself incredibly shocking.
517 | Racer X Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:22:04am |
I'm cooking the bird upside-down in an oven bag this year.
518 | J.S. Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:22:14am |
re: #497 Hengineer
Basically it's autonyms vs exonyms...(outsiders naming an ethnic group -- Greeks; vs insiders naming themselves -- Hellenists.
519 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:22:41am |
521 | Racer X Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:23:38am |
522 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:24:37am |
523 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:25:54am |
re: #515 metrolibertarian
Actually Hannity didn't go into the Dan Brown idiocy, but simply pointed out that the actual Illuminati was a group of Bavarians who were organized for all of 14 years. I was expecting some Alex Jones shit, but it was actually honest and accurate, which was in itself incredibly shocking.
Thank goodness. I'm glad Hannity kept his head in the game.
524 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:26:13am |
re: #480 Walter L. Newton
There's also something to be said for observing traditions. They help a society in forming links from one generation to the next. Societies from all over the world have days to honor their ancestors, and other days of cultural importance. They help make up the fabric of a society.
And while society at large may be celebrating religious holidays you wish not to observe, in this country you are free to celebrate or ignore it to your heart's content and face no reprimand. That Christmas has been secularized might be a testament to the appealing quality of Redemption.
I have very strong, unorthodox ideas about Christmas, Walter. I'm not a fan of Santa and materialism, but I also let people be at Christmas, and don't hit them over the head with my ideas. Before and after said holiday is perhaps better times to bring up these philosophic/theological points, as folks are already stressed out with preparations and family politics on the day OF said holidays to desire discussing your points much. I understand your points, but also hope you consider the value of traditions, and we can discuss this more in the future.
527 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:27:21am |
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
Good find. And a reputable source too: The Daily Telegraph is one the best English-language newspapers in the world.
And bias. Did you read that AGW article? Of course they are going to say this. I want Charles to weigh in on this.
529 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:28:15am |
Medical Lizards in the house? How long does developed X-Ray film last?
530 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:29:50am |
re: #528 Sharmuta
Are you a Libra? Or perhaps you're a Rising Libra?
Use the // when you are being Sagittarius! :)
531 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:30:01am |
532 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:30:31am |
re: #527 Walter L. Newton
And bias. Did you read that AGW article? Of course they are going to say this. I want Charles to weigh in on this.
So do I. It is indeed a biased article, but unlike many of them it does feature evidence. But, like you, I am going to wait to heat from Charles and/or Ludwig before making up my mind.
533 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:31:03am |
535 | Racer X Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:31:41am |
re: #528 Sharmuta
Are you a Libra? Or perhaps you're a Rising Libra?
Negative.
I am a meat popsicle.
537 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:32:11am |
re: #530 SteveC
Use the // when you are being Sagittarius! :)
If I didn't know you to be lion, I'd think you a Leo. ;)
538 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:32:26am |
BTW- Google does Snoopy for Thanksgiving. I like it.
539 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:32:45am |
re: #531 Walter L. Newton
What's a Libra?
Old McDonald had a farm,
e-i-e-i-o
and on that farm he had a Libra,
e-i-e-i-o
With a tax tax here
and a tax tax there
here a tax
there a tax
everywhere a tax tax...
540 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:32:48am |
re: #534 Sharmuta
[Link: www.google.com...]
Oh, you are talking about Zodiac stuff. I don't bother with pseudo-science, I didn't recognize what you were referring...
541 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:32:58am |
542 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:33:11am |
543 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:33:59am |
re: #529 SteveC
I'm no medical guy. But a company I know made lots of money recovering silver from very old xrays. Decades old. They looked fine as they got fed into the recovery process.
544 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:34:09am |
re: #538 Sharmuta
BTW- Google does Snoopy for Thanksgiving. I like it.
So do I. ABC has the Charlie Brown Thanksgiving special on tonight, if you're interested.
545 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:34:20am |
546 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:34:45am |
I've got to go have lunch with my family. BBT
547 | jaunte Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:35:08am |
re: #539 SteveC
Old McDonald had a farm,
e-i-e-i-o
and on that farm he had a Libra,
e-i-e-i-o
With a tax tax here
and a tax tax there
here a tax
there a tax
everywhere a tax tax...
Which reminds me of this. People complaining about taxes in 1937:
Image: whoeverheis1937.jpg
548 | Racer X Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:35:40am |
Iran clerics start taking control of schools
Islamic religious authorities have begun tightening their grip on Iranian public schools, a report said Wednesday, as hard-liners expand an ideological "soft war" against Western influence.The effort appears to be part of a wider drive to counter opposition groups and other pro-reform factions that have been emboldened by the unprecedented protests after June's disputed presidential election.
This is not good at all.
549 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:36:00am |
re: #540 Walter L. Newton
Yeah, but I've ever only known Libras or Rising Libras to say they're not arguing in the middle of an argument. It's cute.
550 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:36:41am |
re: #532 Dark_Falcon
I read a good piece on the UK Telegraph. They explicitly said there is nothing to undo AGW conclusions. It's all about the things that certain scientists and researchers said and did.
I am reminded of a defense attorney picking away at every tiny weakness or gap in a prosecutors evidence. But it's gonna be GUILTY anyway.
551 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:36:48am |
re: #543 Rightwingconspirator
I'm no medical guy. But a company I know made lots of money recovering silver from very old xrays. Decades old. They looked fine as they got fed into the recovery process.
Thanks!
552 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:36:55am |
re: #544 Dark_Falcon
So do I. ABC has the Charlie Brown Thanksgiving special on tonight, if you're interested.
Anytime is a good time to listen to Vince.
553 | Ericus58 Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:37:23am |
Happy Thanksgiving to All. Enjoy your time with family and friends. Keep in your heart those who serve far away from their families on this holiday. Amen.
554 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:39:05am |
re: #549 Sharmuta
Yeah, but I've ever only known Libras or Rising Libras to say they're not arguing in the middle of an argument. It's cute.
I get it. Ok.
555 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:40:03am |
re: #515 metrolibertarian
Actually Hannity didn't go into the Dan Brown idiocy, but simply pointed out that the actual Illuminati was a group of Bavarians who were organized for all of 14 years. I was expecting some Alex Jones shit, but it was actually honest and accurate, which was in itself incredibly shocking.
The tone I got from the promo this morning is that this is more recent than the Bavarians.
556 | abolitionist Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:40:14am |
Earlier this week, the White House got its answer. China informed the United States that it would support a toughly worded, U.S.-backed statement criticizing the Islamic republic for flouting U.N. resolutions by constructing a secret uranium-enrichment plant. The statement, obtained by The Washington Post, is part of a draft resolution to be taken up as soon as Thursday by the 35 nations that make up the governing board of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog.While largely symbolic, it is the first such declaration since 2006 to be backed by both China and Russia. And the statement marks a departure for China, which has long refrained from criticizing Iran's nuclear policies. The issue of how China will handle the Iranian nuclear issue has emerged as an early test of what Obama has described as a relationship that "will shape the 21st century."
557 | jaunte Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:40:33am |
Passing along a message for the day from some Spanish-speaking friends:
This day on which many commemorates the act of gratitude, we thank you all for being sharing together.
559 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:41:21am |
560 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:41:36am |
re: #557 jaunte
Passing along a message for the day from some Spanish-speaking friends:
This day on which many commemorates the act of gratitude, we thank you all for being sharing together.
Happy Thanksgiving, Jaunte.
561 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:43:01am |
re: #555 MandyManners
The tone I got from the promo this morning is that this is more recent than the Bavarians.
Well, then it's bullshit. There is NO thread of any person or organization that ties directly back to the Illuminati.
562 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:43:43am |
563 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:44:00am |
re: #553 Ericus58
Happy Thanksgiving to All. Enjoy your time with family and friends. Keep in your heart those who serve far away from their families on this holiday. Amen.
Many, many people serve, both near and far. Sometimes-Girlfriend is working a double shift at the community hospital today because a coworker has family coming in from somewhere in the Northwest.
Coworker hasn't seen family in three years. S-G lives 1 block from hospital and 2 miles from her mom. No brainer.
564 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:45:34am |
re: #561 Walter L. Newton
Well, then it's bullshit. There is NO thread of any person or organization that ties directly back to the Illuminati.
There are thsoe who say it never died. Alex Jones, David Icke, et al..
565 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:48:20am |
re: #564 MandyManners
There are thsoe who say it never died. Alex Jones, David Icke, et al..
You got anybody else? Someone who can build a coherent paragraph?
//
566 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:48:42am |
re: #564 MandyManners
There are thsoe who say it never died. Alex Jones, David Icke, et al..
And they know nothing of what they talk about. But that doesn't seem to matter anymore. let's have fun, welcome our alien overlords. Hell, it was so much eaiser when I was drinking.
567 | Sharmuta Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:48:43am |
Hmm...
I think I could make a case for the less religious reasons to celebrate Christmas. A Christmas Carol does a good job of tapping into the better aspects of human nature, brotherly love, compassion, redemption- without mentioning Christ much at all. I think He's mentioned concerning Tiny Tim, how He could make the lame walk... Other than that, a story that could have meaning even for the non-religious. How looking at the plight of our fellow man can warm the heart of the coldest miser. (See also: The Grinch). For me, the real meaning of Christmas is redemption and good will towards men. That's something worth celebrating even if you're not Christian.
569 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:52:52am |
re: #565 SteveC
You got anybody else? Someone who can build a coherent paragraph?
//
I won't link but, there is some stuff out there.
570 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:53:44am |
re: #566 Walter L. Newton
And they know nothing of what they talk about. But that doesn't seem to matter anymore. let's have fun, welcome our alien overlords. Hell, it was so much eaiser when I was drinking.
(((Walter)))
Don't forget that Icke and others believe that George Bush, Queen Elizabeth and others are reptilian shape-shifters.
571 | Racer X Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:54:17am |
Dad Leaves Kid in Car, Visits Strip Club
A father in Indiana has a lot of explaining to do after leaving his 5-year-old son in the car while visiting a strip club.
Donald Crawford, 39, parked his semi-tractor-trailer truck and went to Sassy Kat's Showclub in Indianapolis early Tuesday morning. Workers said he was inside for about 30 minutes.
"He ordered a drink, which was a Corona," said Sassy Kat manager Audrey Cardwell. "He went and did four table dances or lap dances, whatever you want to call them, and he didn't want to pay for them. So he was asked to leave."
Police said when Crawford left the club, he was so drunk that he couldn't find his truck. So he called 911 and said his truck with his child in it had been stolen. When police arrived, they found the big rig parked outside the club. Officers were able to open the door because it was unlocked and the keys were still in the ignition. His son was watching cartoons on the television.
572 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:54:23am |
573 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:54:35am |
re: #499 Killgore Trout
It's some Davinci Code thing. Probably a paid promotion for the movie.
I thought it was more of an Angels + Demons thing, I wonder if he's getting kickbacks...
I thought the Da Vinci Code conspiracy was Freemasons...re: #504 metrolibertarian
[Link: www.dolphin-hellas.gr...]
fascinating, thanks!
I didn't realize that the modern day Italians were Illyrian in descent...
574 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:57:35am |
575 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:57:42am |
re: #568 Sharmuta
Best three ways to fix turkey emergencies:
1) Throw water on it
2) Reservations
3) Take out
576 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:58:03am |
re: #568 Sharmuta
We needed #7 once. New efficient gas oven, 1 week old. Ignition electronics quit Thanksgiving morning. The funny part is the in laws are all engineers of extreme credentials. Raytheon, Northrup, etc etc. You can imagine the thing all apart and scattered about the kitchen. And 5, count 'em 5 engineers all at it. Voltmeters, tools, jumper wires...
In the end it was a stove top cook off. And for Christmas dinner a new oven under guarantee.
578 | _RememberTonyC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:58:34am |
Before all of the relatives arrive, I wanted to wish all of Lizard Nation a happy and healthy Thanksgiving.
Please keep all of our soldiers and their families in your thoughts. And even though times are tough right now, also think of how we can help those less fortunate than ourselves over the next month or so.
And finally, thank you to Charles for providing this very special place where we can all share thoughts and opinions. There is no place else like LGF on the net. No place!
G-d Bless all of you.
RTC
579 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:58:38am |
re: #573 Hengineer
fascinating, thanks!
I didn't realize that the modern day Italians were Illyrian in descent...
Hen, just paid a quick visit to your blog. Cool. Your dad's right: you are helping all of us stay free and ahead of the bad guys. Thanks for your service.
580 | SteveC Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:59:35am |
re: #570 MandyManners
(((Walter)))
Don't forget that Icke and others believe that George Bush, Queen Elizabeth and others are reptilian shape-shifters.
If a shape shifter looked like Queen Elizabeth, don't you think he/she/it would shift in a hurry? :)
581 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 9:59:41am |
re: #579 Gang of One
Hen, just paid a quick visit to your blog. Cool. Your dad's right: you are helping all of us stay free and ahead of the bad guys. Thanks for your service.
Thanks, I haven't added any new posts in more than a year though lol...
582 | Hengineer Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:00:44am |
In the meantime I just finally installed Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.
I need to test it to make sure it works before I go back on the ship where I have no internet. (It installs through "Steam", this program that requires you to go online as soon as you install a game to verify it, but once its installed and "ready", you can use Steam in an offline mode)
583 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:00:46am |
re: #571 Racer X
If I were married to him, I'd sue his stupid ass for divorce with sole parental rights and responsibilities and supervised parenting time. If I were divorced, I would file to have parenting time suspended immediately with supervised parenting time for a long, long time. No fucking way should this asshole be alone with that child.
584 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:01:06am |
585 | SixDegrees Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:01:11am |
re: #499 Killgore Trout
It's some Davinci Code thing. Probably a paid promotion for the movie.
Is it anything like The Fellowship? Seems awfully similar, except it's the Left that's tearing it's hair out.
587 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:03:17am |
re: #577 Hengineer
Google "does" snoopy? as in impersonation or ravish?
I'm just shocked that Google observed it.
Isn't there some obscure German Reformation philosopher they should be observing?
588 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:03:59am |
Good morning Lizards. I take this break from dishwashing and pie-thawing to report that my Alex Jones and Glenn Beck following MIL has posted to Facebook that she is grateful on this Thanksgiving that global warming turned out to be a hoax, because now we'll save a lot of money. But, she adds, it's still the responsibility of each of us to keep American beautiful.
I responded: "We love you guys so much. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving."
Oh dear.
589 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:04:05am |
re: #578 _RememberTonyC
Before all of the relatives arrive, I wanted to wish all of Lizard Nation a happy and healthy Thanksgiving.
Please keep all of our soldiers and their families in your thoughts. And even though times are tough right now, also think of how we can help those less fortunate than ourselves over the next month or so.
And finally, thank you to Charles for providing this very special place where we can all share thoughts and opinions. There is no place else like LGF on the net. No place!
G-d Bless all of you.
RTC
Happy Thanksgiving to you!
590 | Gang of One Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:04:17am |
re: #584 MandyManners
Seekrit coad.
Is it part of our Zionist World Conspiracy or an Illuminati thing?
591 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:05:05am |
592 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:06:05am |
re: #588 SanFranciscoZionist
Good morning Lizards. I take this break from dishwashing and pie-thawing to report that my Alex Jones and Glenn Beck following MIL has posted to Facebook that she is grateful on this Thanksgiving that global warming turned out to be a hoax, because now we'll save a lot of money. But, she adds, it's still the responsibility of each of us to keep American beautiful.
I responded: "We love you guys so much. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving."
Oh dear.
Well, bless her heart.
Aren't you glad you're not doing Thanksgiving with her?
593 | MandyManners Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:06:46am |
re: #590 Gang of One
Is it part of our Zionist World Conspiracy or an Illuminati thing?
Dontcha' know that they're one and the same?
Do try to keep up, Gang.
595 | McSpiff Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:07:17am |
re: #588 SanFranciscoZionist
Good morning Lizards. I take this break from dishwashing and pie-thawing to report that my Alex Jones and Glenn Beck following MIL has posted to Facebook that she is grateful on this Thanksgiving that global warming turned out to be a hoax, because now we'll save a lot of money. But, she adds, it's still the responsibility of each of us to keep American beautiful.
I responded: "We love you guys so much. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving."
Oh dear.
Smile and nod. Keeping family's together since... well, probably forever.
596 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:07:22am |
re: #401 Walter L. Newton
Hey, if you are happy having Christmas co-opted as a "winter festival" and Thanksgiving as a "harvest festival" then go for it. I'm not. I want the meaning back or else I'm not interested in supporting this watered down bullshit.
Who can, or has 'taken the meaning'? I go to Christmas mass every year, and everone seems pretty clear on what's going on.
597 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:09:43am |
re: #417 SixDegrees
All of our Presidents were Christians, so President's Day is a religious holiday.
That's a bit like saying Jesus was a carpenter, so Christmas is a woodworker's holiday. What's going to happen after we get a non-Christian president?
598 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:10:33am |
re: #420 Walter L. Newton
Well, it was for me, that's why the holiday exists, and no other reason. And it's been stolen from Christians. Same as Thanksgiving. I'm not settling for half-assed holidays that don't mean shit anymore.
This is the wages of being the dominant culture. Take a deep breath.
599 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:11:27am |
re: #427 Hengineer
I know that, but to call them Indians is false, as India is on the other side of the world. To call them Native Americans is false as well, because their ancestors migrated here, just like mine did, they just migrated here earlier than mine.
How about First Nations, as they say in Canada?
600 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:12:04am |
re: #432 Sharmuta
Not just Jefferson. Washington, Franklin and Madison were also.
Washington? I thought he was Anglican?
601 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:13:03am |
re: #438 metrolibertarian
Well, I'll admit it seems every group wants to claim Jefferson as their own, even my fellow Atheists (I prefer to be intellectually honest and concede Jefferson didn't outright deny the existence of a super-natural being). I wouldn't be surprised to go to a Muslim forum and see Jefferson claimed as a fellow Muslim because he had a copy of the Qu'ran.
There was a brief ripple of excitement because it turned out Jefferson had some Semitic genes, but I do not claim him as a Jew.
602 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:17:27am |
re: #497 Hengineer
On another topic, where do we get the word "Greek" from? Considering the Greeks call themselves Hellenic? And if you attempt to call them Greek they get insulted and INSIST that they are Hellenic. I know the primary culture behind it is actually called "Hellenic", so if that's true then where in the hell did the word "Greek" or "Greece" come from?
The Romans called them Graeci. Which, I think, comes originally from the name of some Greek colony in Italy.