Why I Left the Right, Exhibit P for Palin

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During the presidential campaign, Sarah Palin burbled:

You’ve heard about some of these pet projects they really don’t make a whole lot of sense and sometimes these dollars go to projects that have little or nothing to do with the public good. Things like fruit fly research in Paris, France. I kid you not.

…and the crowd cheered! This was a watershed moment; one of the first times I realized how dangerously, self-satisfiedly ignorant Palin is, and her willingness to pander to the anti-science base of the Republican Party.

In fact, fruit fly research is tremendously valuable in genetics and molecular biology, and has led to important medical breakthroughs — including for special needs children with autism. You’d think someone like Palin, with a special needs child of her own, would understand the value of this kind of research — but there she was, mocking fruit fly research (in Paris, France! guffaw!) for a cheap round of applause.

Today in the Washington Post, Palin demonstrates again her astonishing ignorance on scientific issues, weighing in on the phony “Climategate” scandal with her trademark total lack of comprehension and promoting every single false and debunked claim about the CRU emails: Sarah Palin - Copenhagen’s political science.

With the publication of damaging e-mails from a climate research center in Britain, the radical environmental movement appears to face a tipping point.

The Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia is one of the most reputable and respected centers of climate science in the world, and as far from the “radical environmental movement” as it’s possible to get.

And isn’t it clever how Palin uses the “tipping point” catch phrase of the climate change movement against them? Actually, no. It isn’t. The idea that a few stolen and cherry-picked emails are going to destroy mountains of scientific evidence from many different sources isn’t clever — it’s stupid.

The agenda-driven policies being pushed in Copenhagen won’t change the weather, but they would change our economy for the worse.

Throughout this ludicrous op-ed, Palin confuses the terms “climate” and “weather,” and uses them interchangeably. I’m not going to link to refutations of everything that follows, because there have been numerous posts at LGF over the past week on these subjects. Just scroll down the page and you’ll see how dishonest Palin’s claims are.

The e-mails reveal that leading climate “experts” deliberately destroyed records…

This is false. No records were “destroyed.” A small amount of data from one dataset was discarded almost 30 years ago, but all of the original data is still available from the NOAA.

… manipulated data to “hide the decline” in global temperatures …

This is false. No data was manipulated, and nothing was “hidden.”

… and tried to silence their critics by preventing them from publishing in peer-reviewed journals.

Also false. Here’s the real story.

What’s more, the documents show that there was no real consensus even within the CRU crowd. Some scientists had strong doubts about the accuracy of estimates of temperatures from centuries ago, estimates used to back claims that more recent temperatures are rising at an alarming rate.

False again. This video does a good job of explaining the truth behind this dishonest claim (and several other “climategate” falsehoods).

Palin concludes with a call for Barack Obama to boycott the Copenhagen climate summit.

Without trustworthy science and with so much at stake, Americans should be wary about what comes out of this politicized conference. The president should boycott Copenhagen.

It’s not surprising that Palin thinks Obama should just quit. That’s her tried and true method when the going gets tough.

You almost have to laugh, when the idiot who mocked life-saving fruit fly research, and thinks the most reputable climatologists in the world are “radical environmentalists” pretends to be an expert on “trustworthy science.” Or you might want to cry instead, because this one-woman factory of stupid has somehow become a reputable political figure, with an op-ed in the Washington Post.

Shame on the Washington Post for publishing this dishonest and misleading pile of nonsense. Are all of your fact checkers on vacation?

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663 comments
1 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:23:48pm

That's some serious pwnage.

2 rwmofo  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:23:54pm

Didn't Palin also claim to have visited all 57 states?

3 Crimsonfisted  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:24:20pm
Are all of your fact checkers on vacation?


It would seem so.

4 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:25:52pm

re: #2 rwmofo

And what does that have to do with the subject at hand?

5 soxfan4life  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:25:57pm

re: #3 Crimsonfisted

They could be tired from all the work they did on her book. Certainly not from any of the legislation coming from the hill, anything from Copenhagen. Or much of anything else.

6 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:26:16pm

One would think that not funding research on something that seems so bizarre on the surface wouldn't make a difference in humans' quality of life, I was wrong. Thanks Charles for that link on autism.

7 wee fury  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:27:01pm

"burbled" . . . you have done it again, Charles! Great word!
Sarah -- the burbler.

8 cwnorma  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:27:13pm

My problem Charles is that I never really left the right; they pushed me out of the (once big) tent.

9 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:28:26pm

re: #8 cwnorma

For me they moved the tent while I was sleeping.

10 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:29:03pm

Thanks for that tidbit about autism. I have Asperger's myself. Knew about fruit flies importance in genetics studies since when I took introductory biology we bred them. Anyhow this editorial is exactly why I don't take Palin seriously. She comes across as willingly ignorant of science in this op-ed.

11 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:29:34pm

one woman factory of stupid...excellent!, even Cato will be impressed

12 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:31:09pm

On top of all this other anti-science mumbo-jumbo, Palin is also a creationist.

13 bosforus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:34:30pm

Being educate on climate change by Palin is like... well... educating myself on pretty much any other topic by a leader of this odd right wing we are currently witnessing.

14 Virginia Plain  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:34:45pm

Michael Palin is not the only funny Palin anymore.

15 bosforus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:34:50pm

re: #13 bosforus

Being educated on climate change by Palin is like... well... educating myself on pretty much any other topic by a leader of this odd right wing we are currently witnessing.

...speaking of education...

16 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:35:08pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

That being said, she's predisposed to being clueless.

17 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:35:13pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

She's beyond creationist all the way to dominionist.

18 Virginia Plain  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:35:13pm

re: #15 bosforus

...speaking of education...

Ha ha.

19 cwnorma  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:35:35pm

re: #9 badger1970

For me they moved the tent while I was sleeping.

In this circus, the elephant's tent doesn't smell any better than the donkey's tent. I am getting to like the fresh air outside...

20 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:35:41pm

Just saw Tradewind's Ken Jennings/GLSEN smear on a prior thread. Good game, man! Thanks for being one more straw on the dead camel that is the chance of me ever voting Republican. Thanks very much.

21 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:35:50pm
22 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:35:52pm

re: #14 Virginia Plain

Michael Palin is not the only funny Palin anymore.

I want to see Sarah visit the DMZ before we judge between them. Michael Palin visiting the DMZ was totally hilarious.

23 bosforus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:37:41pm

re: #18 Virginia Plain

Ha ha.

There's nothing like thwarting your own zinger with poor grammar!

24 Mocking Jay  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:38:21pm

re: #14 Virginia Plain

Michael Palin is not the only funny Palin anymore.


It's not fun being a Democrat when this who you're fighting against. It's downright terrifying.

25 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:38:26pm

Cheap political shots at science has a noble history. Sen Packwood (Oregon, IIRC) used to give a Golden Goose award for government waste. He awarded it to an anthropologist who had the risible job of measuring stewardesses. As it turned out, the guy was contracted to do the ergonomics of crash-worthy jump seats. Ask Cpt. Sullenbergers cabin crew if that was a good idea.

26 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:38:53pm

Where is Ron Paul? I'm beginning to think he was only half as nutty as claimed.

27 cwnorma  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:39:31pm

re: #26 Naso Tang

Which half though?

28 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:39:34pm

Why am I suddenly shivering, as though something walked over my grave? Maybe I'm just recalling how we all dodged--Matrix-like--many, many, many bullets last November.

Sheesh- how is it that someone who went to four colleges could be so out of touch with the science and research community? I only went to one, and I understand the science... Shouldn't she have like, 4 times the knowledge?

/ must i?

29 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:39:45pm

re: #26 Naso Tang

He is only half as nutty. It's the nutty half to worry about.

30 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:40:57pm

I don't get why Sarah Palin is such a surprise now. She showed everything she had then.

31 saloabraxas  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:41:05pm

Yeah, that fruit fly moment was a huge one for me too. And it wasn't just that. It seemed like every time McCain or Palin brought up a "wasteful" program, it was science-related. Fruit flies, grizzly bear DNA, a planetarium.

I don't like that I find myself always voting for people on the left, but I just can't deal with the anti-science stance of the right.

Of course, it's only a matter of time until democrats start getting crowds cheering with talk about how great homeopathy is, and then I won't be able to bring myself to vote for anyone.

32 shutdown  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:41:41pm

re: #8 cwnorma

My problem Charles is that I never really left the right; they pushed me out of the (once big) tent.

They did not really push anyone out of the tent. The far right wing simply picked up the tent and moved it waaay to the right and proclaimed it the new "centre".

33 Basho  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:42:53pm

"It’s not surprising that Palin thinks Obama should just quit. That’s her tried and true method when the going gets tough."

Hahahaha
From now on I'm referring to her as Noted Climatologist Sarah Palin

34 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:43:22pm

re: #30 allegro

I don't think that's the surprise. I think the surprise is the fact that she keeps gaining steam long after her 15 minutes was declared over, or her career was said to be buried post-resignation. Anyone who looked into her stuff during the campaign recoiled in horror at what she displayed. (At least, I sure did.)

35 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:43:28pm

re: #29 allegro

He is only half as nutty. It's the nutty half to worry about.

RP doesn't bother me too much...just wait, someday a candidate will pop up claiming to be the incarnation of Jesus and the republicans will go berzerk...I still say MVS is coming some day

36 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:44:19pm

re: #35 albusteve

Who, or what, is MVS?

37 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:44:42pm

re: #27 cwnorma

Which half though?

Got me there.

38 cwnorma  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:45:14pm

re: #36 allegro

Who, or what, is MVS?

Main View Screen?

/startrek

39 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:45:37pm

re: #34 djughurknot

I don't think that's the surprise. I think the surprise is the fact that she keeps gaining steam long after her 15 minutes was declared over, or her career was said to be buried post-resignation. Anyone who looked into her stuff during the campaign recoiled in horror at what she displayed. (At least, I sure did.)

not to me...I predicted that she would go quietly into the background or roar to the forefront...people still say that she's baked after dumping her job...wrong

40 Dynomite  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:46:17pm

I don't need a fisking to prove to me that Palin is anti-science.

Anti-Science Barbie!

The Stupid! It burns!

41 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:46:24pm

re: #35 albusteve

Many Vicious Squirrels?

42 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:46:42pm

re: #36 allegro

Who, or what, is MVS?

Micheal Valentine Smith from Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land

43 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:46:42pm

re: #36 allegro

Who, or what, is MVS?

Multiple Virtual Storage at IBM.

44 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:46:58pm

She is either finished or the end of the Republican Party. I'll certainly grant her unfortunate influence.

45 lostlakehiker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:47:07pm
Are all of your fact checkers on vacation?


It's the Never Ending Summer over there.

46 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:47:32pm

re: #42 albusteve

Obscure SF ding.

47 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:47:44pm

re: #42 albusteve

Micheal Valentine Smith from Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land

Hoo boy. That takes me back.

48 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:48:25pm

Ohh, no freaking way can she be compared to Valentine! Oh, please! Don't EVEN try.

49 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:48:49pm

Palin %P% Climategate

A perfect example of moroniconvergence.

Now, if I could only learn that Tiger Woods used his fisting kit while being intimate with her, I could die a happy and fulfilled man

50 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:48:56pm

Honestly, I would respect the American right so much more if they dropped the anti science rhetoric and anti gay rhetoric. I probably wouldn't vote for the Republican party much still because I am more economically to the left than I am to the right but it would be nice if the Republicans became more socially progressive. One thing I'll give the last president Bush credit on is that he sincerely embraced diversity and immigrants.

51 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:48:57pm

re: #39 albusteve

Yeah- I figured that she set off sparks in too many people for her not to fade away quickly. I was hoping, mind you, but that sinking feeling just never went away.

52 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:48:58pm

re: #42 albusteve

Micheal Valentine Smith from Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land

Been grokking, have we? ;)

53 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:49:31pm

"Shame on the Washington Post for publishing this dishonest and misleading pile of nonsense. Are all of your fact checkers on vacation?"

For some reason Sarah Palin gets a pass with what she writes or says. I have no idea why, but this is getting ridiculous.

54 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:49:31pm

re: #48 allegro

Ohh, no freaking way can she be compared to Valentine! Oh, please! Don't EVEN try.

You'll know if the next kid is "Grok".

55 Jaerik  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:49:44pm

No, they're not on vacation.

But remember, when the Associated Press destroyed many of the claims in her book, the response from the Right was, (and I wish I were making this up): "Oh yeah? Well, it took 11 fact-checkers to discover it!"

It's circularly delicious.

56 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:50:11pm

Maybe the Washington Post thought they'd help her get more rope to hang herself?

57 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:50:46pm

re: #54 Decatur Deb

You'll know if the next kid is "Grok".

Do NOT break my heart.

58 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:51:23pm

re: #46 Decatur Deb

Obscure SF ding.

there used to be alot of Heinlein fans here...not so much anymore...anyway Palin is just another small incremental step...we will see how the GOP responds and conservatives in general to the far right pressure on the party...or are they far right?

59 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:52:10pm

re: #58 albusteve

there used to be alot of Heinlein fans here...not so much anymore...anyway Palin is just another small incremental step...we will see how the GOP responds and conservatives in general to the far right pressure on the party...or are they far right?

Hey... I'm still here... who's Heinlein?

60 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:52:47pm

re: #55 Jaerik

A Right complaint in the variation of that vein was about the lack of fact checkers on Obama's tomes.

61 gvmtspook  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:53:26pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I would respect the American right so much more if they dropped the anti science rhetoric and anti gay rhetoric. I probably wouldn't vote for the Republican party much still because I am more economically to the left than I am to the right but it would be nice if the Republicans became more socially progressive. One thing I'll give the last president Bush credit on is that he sincerely embraced diversity and immigrants.

Embraced diversity? Maybe I am too jaded but I thought it was to appease all his business buddies in Texas, and elsewhere, so they could get access to cheap labor.

62 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:53:43pm

re: #55 Jaerik

fact-checkers are like a homeopathic solution for falsehoods: the more it takes to discover the lie, the less consequential and scandalous the actual lie becomes. Thus, imagine if the fact-checking for the book had been crowd-sourced?

63 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:54:04pm

re: #58 albusteve


I've been halfway through "Job" for most of the last decade...


and, btw, TANSTAAFL

64 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:54:09pm

re: #58 albusteve

The Dem in me wants this to go on indefinitely, but it has to stop. I just don't know how a party can purge itself. There aren't a lot of mechanisms.

65 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:55:12pm

re: #58 albusteve

there used to be alot of Heinlein fans here...not so much anymore...anyway Palin is just another small incremental step...

Nooo! Not. Not. Not. She is not a step to anything enlightening. She is the way to freaking darkness and any comparison to a future of knowledge and awareness is beyond the comprehension of any thinking, sentient being. Stop now, please.

66 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:55:13pm

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Hey... I'm still here... who's Heinlein?

Robert Heinlein, sci-fi author and all around pragmatic tough guy

67 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:55:38pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

The Dem in me wants this to go on indefinitely, but it has to stop. I just don't know how a party can purge itself. There aren't a lot of mechanisms.

I want to see it continue until we only have one party left.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:55:56pm

re: #61 gvmtspook

Embraced diversity? Maybe I am too jaded but I thought it was to appease all his business buddies in Texas, and elsewhere, so they could get access to cheap labor.

They can, and do, do that without giving immigrants a fair break. I give Bush full props for not being an anti-immigrant type.

69 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:58:14pm

re: #65 allegro

Nooo! Not. Not. Not. She is not a step to anything enlightening. She is the way to freaking darkness and any comparison to a future of knowledge and awareness is beyond the comprehension of any thinking, sentient being. Stop now, please.

Think far ahead, to the dedication of her presidential library.

70 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:58:38pm

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

I want to see it continue until we only have one party left.

A minimum of two parties are needed for a healthy political system, Walter.

71 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:58:40pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

Step 1: Boot out the creationists. That would eliminate the hurdle of blind emotion getting in the way of harden facts and in turn cripple the religious right. (Though Steele don't have the capital to pull this stunt.)

72 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:58:42pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

They can, and do, do that without giving immigrants a fair break. I give Bush full props for not being an anti-immigrant type.

Yea this is what I mean. I think Bush unlike other elected Republicans due to his background in baseball had a lot of experience with Hispanics and thus didn't buy in to the anti Hispanic mentality. I never would have voted for the guy but this was one of his strong suits to me on the left.

73 solomonpanting  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:58:50pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Cheap political shots at science has a noble history. Sen Packwood (Oregon, IIRC) used to give a Golden Goose award for government waste. He awarded it to an anthropologist who had the risible job of measuring stewardesses. As it turned out, the guy was contracted to do the ergonomics of crash-worthy jump seats. Ask Cpt. Sullenbergers cabin crew if that was a good idea.

Whereas, Senator Packwood had a side job of harrassing women.

74 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:58:55pm

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

Ojoe's Whigs?

75 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:59:36pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

A minimum of two parties are needed for a healthy political system, Walter.

And this is a healthy political system we have now?

76 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:59:37pm

re: #69 Decatur Deb

Decatur, I hope you realize that you have defined hell.

77 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 6:59:59pm

re: #73 solomonpanting

Whereas, Senator Packwood had a side job of harrassing women.


And made good MST3k fodder.

78 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:00:00pm

obviously the far right is on the march politically...but it remains to be seen how seriously flyover America takes these people...Rush and Beck etc don't speak for all conservatives, but by what margin?...the next two cycles will reveal where we are heading...once again, but this time the politics of the right seem pretty radical...interesting

79 gvmtspook  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:00:05pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Yea this is what I mean. I think Bush unlike other elected Republicans due to his background in baseball had a lot of experience with Hispanics and thus didn't buy in to the anti Hispanic mentality. I never would have voted for the guy but this was one of his strong suits to me on the left.

Fair enough, yes I would agree that he was not anti-Hispanic.

80 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:00:29pm

With Mendeleev's peas, great advances were made in understanding.

Mendeleev being a monk.

Sad, that much religion has gone ignorant compared to Mendeleev.

81 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:01:30pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I would think growing up in Texas is where Bush gained experience "dealing" with Hispanics. Good gravy, give the man some credit.

82 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:01:32pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

They can, and do, do that without giving immigrants a fair break. I give Bush full props for not being an anti-immigrant type.

that phrase again, so misused...anti-immigrant

83 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:02:05pm

re: #71 badger1970

Step 1: Boot out the creationists. That would eliminate the hurdle of blind emotion getting in the way of harden facts and in turn cripple the religious right. (Though Steele don't have the capital to pull this stunt.)

Not possible. It would be possible to minimize creationist influence in the GOP, but too much of the party is creationist to get rid them. We'd lose our base and the next election by double-digit margins.

84 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:02:35pm

re: #71 badger1970

Step 1: Boot out the creationists. That would eliminate the hurdle of blind emotion getting in the way of harden facts and in turn cripple the religious right. (Though Steele don't have the capital to pull this stunt.)

It's the booting that's hard. Party pursestrings are one control, but the real hope is that the electorate goes through some kind of fatigue phase and settles toward the center.

85 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:02:54pm

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

And this is a healthy political system we have now?

No, but the answer is not to destroy either party but rather to reform both of them.

86 blueraven  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:03:35pm

re: #2 rwmofo

Didn't Palin also claim to have visited all 57 states?

No that was Obama at the end of a long process in a very tired moment talking about the number of state he had primaries in. I think, though I could be wrong, he meant to say 47.

But Sarah did think Africa was a country, and argued the fact while preparing for the VP debate, according to sources on the McCain staff.

87 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:03:38pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

We'd lose our base and the next election by double-digit margins.

Bummer for the Republican party, but good riddance.

88 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:04:30pm

re: #86 blueraven

No that was Obama at the end of a long process in a very tired moment talking about the number of state he had primaries in. I think, though I could be wrong, he meant to say 47.

But Sarah did think Africa was a country, and argued the fact while preparing for the VP debate, according to sources on the McCain staff.

Yea, 47, that's the ticket.

89 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:05:36pm

re: #86 blueraven

50 states and 7 dependencies (or something) if my frazzled mine recalls.

90 gvmtspook  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:05:40pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

Ah, but then all of us who are in the middle would have a reason to go right, and you would end up in a much better place for 2016. Perhaps even 2012 if it was well played.

91 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:05:41pm

re: #86 blueraven

No that was Obama at the end of a long process in a very tired moment talking about the number of state he had primaries in. I think, though I could be wrong, he meant to say 47.

But Sarah did think Africa was a country, and argued the fact while preparing for the VP debate, according to sources on the McCain staff.

And she also said she could see Russia from her house.

/

92 Achilles Tang  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:06:47pm

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Hey... I'm still here... who's Heinlein?

Oh dear. That is like asking who's Ray Bradbury.

93 Olsonist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:07:35pm
94 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:07:43pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

No, but the answer is not to destroy either party but rather to reform both of them.

the system is corrupt because the people within the system are corrupt...there is too much money involved with holding office...the allure of money is greater than that of honest service and the tide has turned...most federal legislators are corrupt, not civily, but ethically

95 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:07:45pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

That's a pragmatic view worth noting. If the GOP can't tone down the far right nonsense, indies would go (D), so what difference would it make in the next election to take them to the proverbial woodshed?

96 HC4BO  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:07:59pm

re: #2 rwmofo

At LEAST President Obama has the good sense to give you a FACTUAL answer the next time you ask him a question about the number of states there are in the US ...

[ Not that the talking point spouting Palin's claims even compares to an irrelevant slip o' tongue ... ]

What you Palin supporters do not get is the FACT that, the woman will keep spouting fiction as FACT even when they have ALREADY been debunked ... !

That might be shrewd political strategy for the "real" America, BUT "real" America hardly wins general elections nowadays ...

97 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:08:27pm

re: #90 gvmtspook

Ah, but then all of us who are in the middle would have a reason to go right, and you would end up in a much better place for 2016. Perhaps even 2012 if it was well played.

Still wouldn't work. A party needs a base, people who will get excited about the party, pitch the candidates to their friends, do volunteer work and man phone banks. The middle won't do those things (mostly, there are some exceptions). Reforming the GOP is may be doable, but it cannot be simply gotten rid of.

98 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:08:28pm

re: #86 blueraven

No that was Obama at the end of a long process in a very tired moment talking about the number of state he had primaries in. I think, though I could be wrong, he meant to say 47.

But Sarah did think Africa was a country, and argued the fact while preparing for the VP debate, according to sources on the McCain staff.

I believe if you add up the number of states and territories + protectorates it's 57, and he did have a campaign office in all of them. I think that's what the story was behind that.

99 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:08:41pm

Fruit flies like a banana.

Time flies like an arrow.

100 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:08:53pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

I would think growing up in Texas is where Bush gained experience "dealing" with Hispanics. Good gravy, give the man some credit.

I think that's certainly true. I just think it was more than growing up there. The world of baseball is an even more diverse place than the state of Texas is so I think Bush gained valuable experience there. And in all honesty baseball fan that I am I think with his passion for the game he could make a good commissioner.

101 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:09:07pm

re: #94 albusteve

Human beings are fallable - the system is made up of human beings - if you swapped the current bunch out for a random few hondred you found on the street i don't think the system would function a helluva lot better.

102 Olsonist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:09:41pm

re: #96 HC4BO

What you Palin supporters do not get is the FACT that, the woman will keep spouting fiction as FACT even when they have ALREADY been debunked ... !

This is called being shameless.

103 avanti  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:09:42pm

New spy drone over Afghanistandrone.. What's up with that I wonder ?

104 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:10:13pm

re: #101 wozzablog

Human beings are fallable - the system is made up of human beings - if you swapped the current bunch out for a random few hondred you found on the street i don't think the system would function a helluva lot better.

Or the first hundred names in the Boston phone book...

105 gvmtspook  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:10:21pm

re: #87 allegro

Bummer for the Republican party, but good riddance.

Well the Dem's did it, so long Dixiecrat. The Right should do the same, let them form a minor party on their own, oh wait isn't that the tea party? ;)

106 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:10:44pm

re: #101 wozzablog

Human beings are fallable - the system is made up of human beings - if you swapped the current bunch out for a random few hondred you found on the street i don't think the system would function a helluva lot better.

might be worth the try tho...nothing ventured, nothing gained

107 rurality  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:11:08pm

re: #30 allegro

I agree. It was all there, back when. Charles mentioning her disdain for fruit fly studies, reminded me of one of the first big red flags I noticed. And I couldnt figure out her word salad sentences, punctutated with talking points. I'm not trying to be snide. I was baffled.

108 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:11:31pm

re: #96 HC4BO

That might be shrewd political strategy for the "real" America, BUT "real" America hardly wins general elections nowadays ...

What's this "real" America crap?

109 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:11:35pm

re: #103 avanti

New spy drone over Afghanistandrone.. What's up with that I wonder ?

What good is that without photos? I want to see the cool new shit.

110 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:11:52pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

What's this "real" America crap?

It was something Sarah Palin said when on the campaign trail.

111 Cato the Elder  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:11:53pm

Sharmuta now:

re: #12 Sharmuta

On top of all this other anti-science mumbo-jumbo, Palin is also a creationist.

Sharmuta then (September 30, 2008):

I loved her answer to Ms. Perky's [i.e. Katie Couric's] question about newspapers [Couric: "What newspapers do you read?" Palin: "All of them."]. Just because it's Alaska doesn't mean they're not able to get the same sources the rest of the country gets.

What a difference a wind-shift makes.

112 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:11:58pm

re: #96 HC4BO

At LEAST President Obama has the good sense to give you a FACTUAL answer the next time you ask him a question about the number of states there are in the US ...

[ Not that the talking point spouting Palin's claims even compares to an irrelevant slip o' tongue ... ]

What you Palin supporters do not get is the FACT that, the woman will keep spouting fiction as FACT even when they have ALREADY been debunked ... !

That might be shrewd political strategy for the "real" America, BUT "real" America hardly wins general elections nowadays ...

all Palin supporters, raise your hand please...lets get a count

113 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:12:13pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

I think that's certainly true. I just think it was more than growing up there. The world of baseball is an even more diverse place than the state of Texas is so I think Bush gained valuable experience there. And in all honesty baseball fan that I am I think with his passion for the game he could make a good commissioner.

Couldn't be worse than Bud.

114 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:12:17pm

re: #105 gvmtspook

Well the Dem's did it, so long Dixiecrat. The Right should do the same, let them form a minor party on their own, oh wait isn't that the tea party? ;)

I don't think they did it deliberately... unfortunately, all things considered... but yeah, I think you've got the right idea.

115 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:12:43pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

They're the ones who vote republican

/

116 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:12:51pm

re: #107 rurality

I'm not trying to be snide. I was baffled.

Also.

117 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:12:57pm

re: #101 wozzablog

Human beings are fallable - the system is made up of human beings - if you swapped the current bunch out for a random few hondred you found on the street i don't think the system would function a helluva lot better.

I'd have to dig to find refs, but the Republic of Venice developed a constitution that included elements of a lottery, to keep the powerful families in check.

118 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:13:49pm

re: #117 Decatur Deb

I propose we follow the method explained in Borges' "The Lottery of Babylon."

119 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:14:29pm

re: #103 avanti

New spy drone over Afghanistandrone.. What's up with that I wonder ?

The Air Force is using it to sniff out the Tailban. A stealthy drone like that will spot a group Talibs then call in the gunships. The Islamist scum won't even know they've been spotted till the Apaches blast them into mulch.

120 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:15:07pm

re: #117 Decatur Deb

I'd have to dig to find refs, but the Republic of Venice developed a constitution that included elements of a lottery, to keep the powerful families in check.

The Venetian system is extremely interesting, they take checks and balances way beyond modern nations if I remember correctly.

121 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:16:06pm

re: #118 Obdicut

Favorited for study.

122 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:16:12pm

re: #111 Cato the Elder

So incapable of articulating your opposition to Sarah you have to resort to attacking other people? Not surprising.

I have stated repeatedly how my opinion on Sarah has changed, so if you think I'm embarrassed by my previous comments on her, you're sorely mistaken.

Go grind your axe elsewhere.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:16:19pm

re: #110 Obdicut

It was something Sarah Palin said when on the campaign trail.

I don't live there.

124 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:18:46pm

Some day historians will look back at this time and wonder in amazement that such a person was ever taken seriously by a good part of the American public. Perhaps they will see it as a concurrent phenomenon during a time which we know call "the dumbing down of America."

125 avanti  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:19:15pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

The Air Force is using it to sniff out the Tailban. A stealthy drone like that will spot a group Talibs then call in the gunships. The Islamist scum won't even know they've been spotted till the Apaches blast them into mulch.

Yea, but the Afagan bad guys don't have radar, why stealth, just on the job testing ?

126 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:19:28pm

Sarah Palin isn't just stupid, she's willfully stupid. This is taking stupid to another level, because she's feeding stupidity to those who worship her unquestionably. These are the kind of people who say they like her because she's 'mavericky'. She's a lie and a fraud. And she loves the attention (and money) that brings. I'm afraid we'll have a lot more Palin to deal with for years to come.

And the irony of all this is, if John McCain hadn't picked her for VP, she'd still be an anonymous governor fighting ethics violations in Alaska because she wouldn't have the name-recognition to get some hack to spit out a book for her in nine weeks.

Want to see John McCain's legacy? Look at Sarah Palin. I really do hope that haunts him at night, and that Cindy resents her enough to continue to ask him on a regular basis what the hell he was thinking.

127 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:20:05pm

re: #120 McSpiff

Wikipedia has a good Cliff note version.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

128 Cato the Elder  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:20:07pm

re: #122 Sharmuta

So incapable of articulating your opposition to Sarah you have to resort to attacking other people? Not surprising.

I have stated repeatedly how my opinion on Sarah has changed, so if you think I'm embarrassed by my previous comments on her, you're sorely mistaken.

Go grind your axe elsewhere.

Sarah hasn't changed. Her comment about newspapers was just as stupid when you approved of it as it is today.

129 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:20:20pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Now, not know.

130 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:20:33pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Some day historians will look back at this time and wonder in amazement that such a person was ever taken seriously by a good part of the American public. Perhaps they will see it as a concurrent phenomenon during a time which we know call "the dumbing down of America."

BO has that style Americans fall for...it's the 'empty suit phenomenon'

131 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:20:56pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

The Air Force is using it to sniff out the Tailban. A stealthy drone like that will spot a group Talibs then call in the gunships. The Islamist scum won't even know they've been spotted till the Apaches blast them into mulch.

Works for me.

132 Stuart Leviton  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:21:31pm
133 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:22:01pm

re: #128 Cato the Elder

Sarah hasn't changed. Her comment about newspapers was just as stupid when you approved of it as it is today.

so what's your point?...denigrate people who change their mind?...how do you say dickhead in German?

134 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:23:45pm

re: #130 albusteve

BO has that style Americans fall for...it's the 'empty suit phenomenon'

Sure, I think he's also a modern phenomenon as well. The making of a candidate.

135 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:23:45pm

re: #125 avanti

Yea, but the Afghan bad guys don't have radar, why stealth, just on the job testing?

Most likely yes, its being tested. Afghanistan is an active combat theater with a need for UAVs. It gives the Air Force a chance to see if their new drone works well enough to warrant further procurement and also makes it a system being actively used to fight the Taliban, which increases the odds that Congress will fund more of them.

136 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:24:04pm

Evening lizards. What's shakin'?

137 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:24:24pm

re: #128 Cato the Elder

People change. I suspect a lot of Republicans looked for nuggets of hope in Palin during the campaign because Barack Obama was just so much more alert and responsible sounding than John "I think I'll suspend my campaign for a day" McCain. McCain's biggest mistake might have been Palin, but it wasn't his only mistake.

Give Sharmuta a little slack. I, for one, am grateful she's not standing in line outside a Wal-Mart waiting for Sarah's signature on her ghostwriter's book. The fewer people believe in Palin today, the better.

138 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:24:44pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

The Air Force is using it to sniff out the Tailban. A stealthy drone like that will spot a group Talibs then call in the gunships.

It's when it calls in the gunships for a wedding party. That offends me.

139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:25:13pm

I just don't give a shit about Sarah anymore.

140 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:25:46pm

re: #138 allegro

It's when it calls in the gunships for a wedding party. That offends me.

How often does that happen? Do we purposely target weddings?

141 Cato the Elder  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:25:48pm

re: #137 darthstar

Well enough.

I shall continue to grind my axe here, though, Sharmuta. The whetstones are so plentiful and convenient.

142 palomino  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:25:57pm

re: #2 rwmofo

Didn't Palin also claim to have visited all 57 states?

Thx, please tell us more...maybe you can work in a zinger about teleprompters.

In the alternate reality the far right has built for itself, Obama is the stupid one and Palin the intellectual. To these folks, Obama's postgrad education and Ivy League pedigree just add further proof that he's a moron.

And Palin's anti-science stance just shows her "common sense conservatism."

143 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:26:08pm

By the way, here's my comment on 10/25/2008, when Palin made her infamous "fruit fly" comment:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

144 Olsonist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:27:05pm

I remember when Palin was announced as the VP choice. I had seriously never heard of her. Nothing. Immediately my kind (liberals) were already being attacked for attacking her. It turns out we were right about her all along before we were even right.

145 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:27:12pm

re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just don't give a shit about Sarah anymore.

I never did. I liked her initial lipstick speech during the campaign but lost interest soon after that. I really don't understand the fascination with her.

146 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:27:12pm

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

How often does that happen? Do we purposely target weddings?

Absolutely. And we go around air-raiding villages just for grins!
///

147 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:28:20pm

re: #138 allegro

It's when it calls in the gunships for a wedding party. That offends me.

Then you should like this new drone. It almost certainly has improved sensors that let its operators better analyze a group of people and determine if they are terrorist preparing mayhem, or simply guys going to a party. Better drones means fewer mistakes.

148 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:28:29pm

re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just don't give a shit about Sarah anymore.

I never did. But I do give a shit about her being given interviews and asked for her opinion on Global Warming, Health Care Reform, Afghanistan, Iraq, the economy, oven cleaner, and just about anything else she's not qualified to comment on. She's not an expert, and her opinion should carry as much weight as that of her look-alikes that manage to show up at each of her book-signings. How coincidental is that?

149 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:28:44pm

re: #125 avanti

Yea, but the Afagan bad guys don't have radar, why stealth, just on the job testing ?

In theater testing is not unusual. After giving it some thought I have a feeling that they placed faux cowlings and nacelle around the UAV to hide it's true design. Take for instance the nose gear door which looks like it was designed for another aircraft. If you notice, all of the ground to air photos shows it in that configuration but with the wheels down. I don't see what the big deal is about this news. Most of it will be used by the conspiracy crazies to concoct a new conspiracy or 2 or 3.

150 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:28:49pm

re: #137 darthstar

Thank you. There are quite a few of us here at LGF that will readily admit to being excited by Sarah at first, and now see her in a very different light. I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of in that.

151 researchok  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:28:50pm

Sarah Palin was the governor of a state and did some good things there, to her credit. Clearly, she is not a foolish person and a lot of the visceral criticism thrown her way was outrageous (Recall 'Palin looks like a porn star' was meant to be a credible critique)

Still, by way of her choices (including speaking out on matters knows nothing about) she will have authored her own future and the quality of her life. Rather than elevate the political battlefield, she has chosen to align herself with those who denigrate the debate. Agree or disagree with her, she had the opportunity to make a real impact on the political scene. Instead the ideas Palin has chosen to call her own or align herself with invite derision and ridicule.

Sarah Palin has no one to blame but herself for the caricature she has become. What a waste.

152 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:28:53pm

re: #144 Olsonist

I remember when Palin was announced as the VP choice. I had seriously never heard of her. Nothing. Immediately my kind (liberals) were already being attacked for attacking her. It turns out we were right about her all along before we were even right.

We were told that we were petrified of her too. To be honest, I've always found it lame when someone has to sell a candidate's value is that they "scare" the opposition. Palin's problem I think is that she's way out of touch with most Americans but she thinks she is.

153 Cineaste  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:29:03pm

Of course Palin and her cohorts would loathe & lambast fruit fly research. Fruit fly study is key to the study of genetics and genetics is key to the theory of evolution. You can see evolution in action when you study & breed fruit flies. Check out the work of Nobel Laureate Dr. Eric Weischaus (the father of a high school classmate of mine, no less).

154 irving  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:29:03pm

IT was McCain's choice of Palin that utterly destroyed him for me. There were a lot fo perfectly legitimate questions about his health; he owed it to voters to choose a strong VP just to demonstrate his own personal character.

The innate short-sightedness of choice made it very, very clear that McCain was not a serious presidential candidate.

155 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:29:43pm

re: #124 Gus 802

I agree, but my agreement applies for someone else instead.

156 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:29:59pm

re: #141 Cato the Elder

Well enough.

I shall continue to grind my axe here, though, Sharmuta. The whetstones are so plentiful and convenient.

There's a place where people who stalk me spend their time...

157 avanti  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:30:07pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

Most likely yes, its being tested. Afghanistan is an active combat theater with a need for UAVs. It gives the Air Force a chance to see if their new drone works well enough to warrant further procurement and also makes it a system being actively used to fight the Taliban, which increases the odds that Congress will fund more of them.

Once watched a guided missile cruiser test fire a missile at a Mig over North Vietnam. A radar picket plane picked it up flying from one air field to another, pushed a button on the cruiser and a few minutes later, no Mig. I'm sure he was clueless as to what happened.

158 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:30:16pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

Thank you. There are quite a few of us here at LGF that will readily admit to being excited by Sarah at first, and now see her in a very different light. I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of in that.

I'm one of those.

159 Cato the Elder  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:30:22pm

re: #143 Charles

By the way, here's my comment on 10/25/2008, when Palin made her infamous "fruit fly" comment:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I wonder how Melanie Phillips is sleeping these days.

That little bit of Brit hysteria, looked at with more than a year's hindsight, makes fun light bedtime reading.

160 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:30:52pm

The Veep slot is not always filled with mental giants. In recent memory, I give you Dan (pre spell-check) Quayle and Joe (God love ya) Biden just for openers.

Sarah is a pop star meteor, no more.

161 allegro  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:31:13pm

re: #143 Charles

Oh, I spent my undergrad and grad years counting fruit flies... thousands and thousand of the little buggers... I remember an exceedingly windy day when the Bio Bldg window was open and blew away a week of counting the li'l mo-fos (I am still pissed)... they have indescribable importance (as much as I hate them in other ways). They are biology.

162 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:31:14pm

re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I do, but she's not going to be relevant in 2012 anyway so it's worthless to care.

She's smart enough to be making her money. Good for her, at least someone is.

163 rurality  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:31:30pm

re: #143 Charles

I've gathered things here were a lot more pro-Palin back then, how did your members react? Did other right sites hurl abuse, similar to what's happened recently? Did any even notice?

164 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:31:30pm

re: #155 TheMatrix31

I agree, but my agreement applies for someone else instead.

It's all a reflection of a culture of celebrity.

165 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:31:51pm

Must eat. Must sleep. 'Nite All

166 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:31:52pm

re: #151 researchok

Sarah Palin was the governor of a state and did some good things there, to her credit. Clearly, she is not a foolish person and a lot of the visceral criticism thrown her way was outrageous (Recall 'Palin looks like a porn star' was meant to be a credible critique)

Still, by way of her choices (including speaking out on matters knows nothing about) she will have authored her own future and the quality of her life. Rather than elevate the political battlefield, she has chosen to align herself with those who denigrate the debate. Agree or disagree with her, she had the opportunity to make a real impact on the political scene. Instead the ideas Palin has chosen to call her own or align herself with invite derision and ridicule.

Sarah Palin has no one to blame but herself for the caricature she has become. What a waste.

This comes very very close to describing my process of disillusionment with Palin.

167 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:33:17pm

re: #164 Gus 802

Yep. Too damn bad we have a celebrity actually IN office now.

168 Irving  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:33:37pm

Don't underestimate Biden. He's a lousy speaker, but I strongly suspect he's pulling an awful lot of levers in the House and Senate still. Eloquent? Hell no. Dumb? I wouldn't bet on it.

169 avanti  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:33:43pm

re: #163 rurality

I've gathered things here were a lot more pro-Palin back then, how did your members react? Did other right sites hurl abuse, similar to what's happened recently? Did any even notice?

You were pond scum for attacking her for a bit, but the lizards matured or left for the Palin love blogs.

170 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:34:12pm

re: #157 avanti

Once watched a guided missile cruiser test fire a missile at a Mig over North Vietnam. A radar picket plane picked it up flying from one air field to another, pushed a button on the cruiser and a few minutes later, no Mig. I'm sure he was clueless as to what happened.

Nice. What cruiser was that, and what ship were you on at the time?

171 Cato the Elder  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:34:21pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

Thank you. There are quite a few of us here at LGF that will readily admit to being excited by Sarah at first, and now see her in a very different light. I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of in that.

Except for having really bad eyesight when it counted, and really good vision in retrospect, there's not. Really, there isn't.

172 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:34:39pm

re: #168 Irving

Don't underestimate Biden. He's a lousy speaker, but I strongly suspect he's pulling an awful lot of levers in the House and Senate still. Eloquent? Hell no. Dumb? I wouldn't bet on it.

I think he's like Bush. Stupid like a fox. I doubt either of these guys is given enough credit.

173 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:35:00pm

re: #163 rurality

I've gathered things here were a lot more pro-Palin back then, how did your members react? Did other right sites hurl abuse, similar to what's happened recently? Did any even notice?

If I recall correctly, at that time it was the lefty sites that were dismissive of LGF, though I don't recall that they were nearly as angry with Charles and LGF as the rightwing is lately.

174 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:35:11pm

re: #168 Irving

Don't underestimate Biden. He's a lousy speaker, but I strongly suspect he's pulling an awful lot of levers in the House and Senate still. Eloquent? Hell no. Dumb? I wouldn't bet on it.

Agree with you about Biden.

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:35:19pm

I'll leave it at this... hopefully, I will remember not to speak of her again (I know I won't)...

She was teh hawt (those who say she's not are lying)
I thought we believed in the same things (turned out, we kinda don't)
I'd do 'er (dudes who say they'd not are lying)
Therefore I'd vote for her

I'm still ashamed.

The end.

Really.

176 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:35:57pm

re: #167 TheMatrix31

Yep. Too damn bad we have a celebrity actually IN office now.

I'm hoping that's snark and not just willful ignorance. Like him or not, President Obama is reaching out to both sides of the aisle, looking for common ground, and elevating America's image abroad back from the bottom of the well where bush left it.

177 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:36:00pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

GAZE

178 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:36:27pm

re: #168 Irving

Don't underestimate Biden. He's a lousy speaker, but I strongly suspect he's pulling an awful lot of levers in the House and Senate still. Eloquent? Hell no. Dumb? I wouldn't bet on it.

I'll take Qualye and spot your Biden the first five questions.

179 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:36:39pm

re: #154 irving

IT was McCain's choice of Palin that utterly destroyed him for me. There were a lot fo perfectly legitimate questions about his health; he owed it to voters to choose a strong VP just to demonstrate his own personal character.

The innate short-sightedness of choice made it very, very clear that McCain was not a serious presidential candidate.

On balance she helped the ticket. She was incredibly popular with the Republican base, and she regularly outdrew McCain at rallies. Hindsight is 20/20 but a lot a people thought she was an excellent choice at the time. By the time folks realized the truth about her it was too late.

180 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:37:06pm

re: #176 darthstar

Uh, no. It's not snark. He's a fucking celebrity.

181 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:37:40pm

re: #158 reine.de.tout

I'm one of those.

And I still respect you.

182 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:37:50pm

re: #141 Cato the Elder

Well enough.

I shall continue to grind my axe here, though, Sharmuta. The whetstones are so plentiful and convenient.

your psychotic disdain for Palin has been broadened to other people that ever had a nice thing to say about her?...that's just bizarre dude...it's one thing to have some far out mental problem associated with Palin but another matter entirely to drag other posters down into your own personal gutter

183 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:38:33pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

Except for having really bad eyesight when it counted, and really good vision in retrospect, there's not. Really, there isn't.

Why are you dumping on Sharmuta? If you're going to do a retrospective on how people changed their views over here I'm pretty sure your trail will lead to the top. Will you hold back then?

184 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:38:39pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

Thank you. There are quite a few of us here at LGF that will readily admit to being excited by Sarah at first, and now see her in a very different light. I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of in that.

I'm one of those too.
Very sorry that she's shown to be a quitter, and a creationist...
I was excited about the potential, I thought she had.

185 Cato the Elder  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:38:39pm

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd do 'er (dudes who say they'd not are lying)

I wouldn't do 'er with your jewels. No lie.

186 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:38:39pm

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She's Sarahbarracougar to the young guys. My guess is she flirted with Levi and a few of his buddies after a couple glasses of wine one night, and her big fear is that he's got some kind of evidence of this (not that I'm saying she did Levi or his friends, mind you...but he lived with the Palins for a while, and people like to banter back and forth, etc. etc...).

And she is an attractive woman, I'll give her that...until the words start to come out of her mouth.

187 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:39:05pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

Except for having really bad eyesight when it counted, and really good vision in retrospect, there's not. Really, there isn't.

Yes, I agree many here, including myself had really bad eyesight at the time, as regards Palin especially.

I'm quite happy to be in the "live and learn" camp, rather than being someone who just sat on the sidelines, as some voters did.

188 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:39:06pm

re: #2 rwmofo

Damn man they hammered you for that one but hey, I thought it was funny. Some folks have this imaginary line regarding the number of comments that's appropriate before you can tell a joke or talk about the weather at your house, or food (my favorite).

Personally I do not understand the whole "I'm proudly ignorant" personality type at all. Your joke spurred a whole think session for me on that subject so it was good for at least this, one person.

189 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:39:08pm

re: #182 albusteve

your psychotic disdain for Palin has been broadened to other people that ever had a nice thing to say about her?...that's just bizarre dude...it's one thing to have some far out mental problem associated with Palin but another matter entirely to drag other posters down into your own personal gutter

Personally I'm glad when the people I debate with come over to my way of thinking.

190 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:39:25pm

*confession* McCain came off as Bob Dole, the GOP needed life and went for a good looking governor of the largest state and vast natural resources. It took me a long while to take the rose-colored glasses on and realize she wasn't ready for prime time.

191 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:39:30pm

re: #176 darthstar

Okay...so it wasn't snark. Lesson learned.

192 Cineaste  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:39:35pm

re: #179 Spare O'Lake

On balance she helped the ticket. She was incredibly popular with the Republican base, and she regularly outdrew McCain at rallies. Hindsight is 20/20 but a lot a people thought she was an excellent choice at the time. By the time folks realized the truth about her it was too late.

I think when you have a way to judge things on a binary, like an election, you know the answer.

On balance she did not help the ticket. They lost.

I was one that felt that if McCain got someone like Hagel in the #2 spot that I would have been persuaded but with Palin on board, no way.

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:40:06pm

re: #186 darthstar

bad form.

194 Cato the Elder  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:40:06pm

re: #187 reine.de.tout

Yes, I agree many here, including myself had really bad eyesight at the time, as regards Palin especially.

I'm quite happy to be in the "live and learn" camp, rather than being someone who just sat on the sidelines, as some voters did.

I proudly voted for Obama.

195 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:40:16pm

re: #176 darthstar

Like him or not, President Obama is reaching out to both sides of the aisle, looking for common ground,

How is he reaching across the aisle?

and elevating America's image abroad back from the bottom of the well where bush left it.

Elevating America's image? Our enemies hate us even more. What in the world are you talking about?

196 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:40:58pm

re: #184 Floral Giraffe

I'm one of those too.
Very sorry that she's shown to be a quitter, and a creationist...
I was excited about the potential, I thought she had.

Flo - I was also excited about the potential she appeared to have.
Then the campaign just went downhill, and after that - everytime Palin opened her mouth, she sounded stupider and stupider. I was aggravated that McCain's campaign seemed to be muzzling her somewhat, but looking back - they had their reasons, didn't they?

197 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:41:14pm

re: #194 Cato the Elder

I proudly voted for Obama.

why do you think anybody cares?...your ego feeding posts are laughable

198 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:41:23pm

re: #195 NJDhockeyfan

LOL. Thanks for challening those ridiculous assertions, NJD.

199 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:41:48pm

re: #198 TheMatrix31

challenging*

200 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:41:54pm

re: #187 reine.de.tout

I can respect you voting the wrong way for the right reasons, more than I can you not voting at all.

If that makes any sense.

I still think you had to be fooling yourself about Palin a little bit, or at least just ignoring her presence on the ticket, when it was actual lever time.

I don't hold anyone's past vote against them for any reason. I'm much more interested in seeing how we can work together, because it's quickly becoming apparent that the challenges facing humanity can only be solved working together.

201 rurality  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:42:02pm

re: #172 Sharmuta

I don't think either are stupid. Biden has not had the silver spoon advantages--his dad was a car salesman--so think he's got to have something upstairs to get where he has.

202 Logician  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:43:06pm

re: #93 Olsonist and #143 Charles

Note: As a matter of fact, Palin was not criticizing research on Drosophila, the insects that are a mainstay of genetics research and which are often mistakenly called 'fruit flies'. She was criticizing government funding of research into actual fruit flies. Though worthy and necessary, that is not the most fundamental type of research. Funding it is a form of subsidy of the fruit farming industry, and as such is a perfectly legitimate target for a critic of state intervention in the economy.

Whether Palin (or her researchers and script writers) were aware of all this or not is debatable. Her audience probably neither knew nor cared. Nevertheless, when criticizing someone for being careless with their facts, one should be careful to get the facts right.

203 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:43:24pm

re: #195 NJDhockeyfan

Elevating America's image? Our enemies hate us even more. What in the world are you talking about?

He's still in the tank for BHO, NJDHF. He hasn't actually paid attention to how Obama actually acts. He's just spouting talking points.

204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:43:37pm

re: #201 rurality

I won't accept that.

Come from humble beginnings = good.

?

205 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:43:48pm

re: #192 Cineaste


I was one that felt that if McCain got someone like Hagel in the #2 spot that I would have been persuaded but with Palin on board, no way.

If it had been Olympia Snowe, and McCain had not been kissing up to the theocons and social conservatives, I would have voted for him over Obama, even though I'm a big ol' leftist. Though I would have much preferred her at the top of the ticket.

206 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:44:10pm

re: #196 reine.de.tout


I was aggravated that McCain's campaign seemed to be muzzling her somewhat, but looking back - they had their reasons, didn't they?


Palin reflected very poorly on the McCain campaign. Choosing her was one thing but not being able to control her and maintain some sort of harmony during the campaign was unforgivable. He was not capable of running his campaign much less the country.

207 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:44:20pm

re: #202 Logician

Dear god what a reach that was. Do your arms hurt?

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:44:20pm

re: #173 reine.de.tout

If I recall correctly, at that time it was the lefty sites that were dismissive of LGF, though I don't recall that they were nearly as angry with Charles and LGF as the rightwing is lately.

The left-wing blogs never felt 'betrayed' by Charles, and they expected LGF to be Palin-backing. They were always more concerned with LGFs Islamic issues anyway.

209 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:44:22pm

re: #202 Logician

That's got to be one of the most pathetically, transparently false excuses I've seen yet.

As if Sarah Palin would know the difference.

210 Raryn  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:44:32pm

re: #98 Conservative Moonbat

I believe if you add up the number of states and territories + protectorates it's 57, and he did have a campaign office in all of them. I think that's what the story was behind that.

I only count 56.

50 states, Guam, Northern Marianas, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Washington DC

Whats the last one?

211 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:44:33pm

re: #192 Cineaste

I think when you have a way to judge things on a binary, like an election, you know the answer.

On balance she did not help the ticket. They lost.

I was one that felt that if McCain got someone like Hagel in the #2 spot that I would have been persuaded but with Palin on board, no way.

Hagel?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...good one.

212 Irving  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:44:40pm

re: #179 Spare O'Lake

On balance she helped the ticket. She was incredibly popular with the Republican base, and she regularly outdrew McCain at rallies. Hindsight is 20/20 but a lot a people thought she was an excellent choice at the time. By the time folks realized the truth about her it was too late.

That's exactly why I thought so badly of McCain for choosing her. She helped the ticket. She did not help a potential McCain presidency in the slightest.

213 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:44:49pm

re: #205 Obdicut

Of course you would.

214 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:45:23pm

re: #213 TheMatrix31

And you say that because..?

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:46:03pm

re: #194 Cato the Elder

I proudly voted for Obama.

I got downdinged for being an Obama voter!

216 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:46:16pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

He's still in the tank for BHO, NJDHF. He hasn't actually paid attention to how Obama actually acts. He's just spouting talking points.

If you say so. Sometimes, it's best to just let people believe what they want to believe, and maybe their opinions will change over time.

217 jaunte  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:46:18pm

"Where does a lot of that earmark money end up anyway? […] You've heard about some of these pet projects they really don't make a whole lot of sense and sometimes these dollars go to projects that have little or nothing to do with the public good. Things like fruit fly research in Paris, France. I kid you not."
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

218 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:46:19pm

re: #212 Irving

You have to get elected first.

Anyone who thinks it was even remotely possible that Barack Obama would lose the 2008 Presidential Election, no matter WHAT happened, is a moron anyway.

Biggest foregone conclusion in US History.

219 rurality  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:46:19pm

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wasnt talking about good or bad. I was talking about personal effort, working hard to attain a position. Yup, and I do think that is good.

220 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:46:24pm

re: #201 rurality

I never looked at Joe Biden's bio. before.
It increased my respect for the man.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Yes, it's Wikipedia.

221 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:46:29pm

re: #212 Irving

That's exactly why I thought so badly of McCain for choosing her. She helped the ticket. She did not help a potential McCain presidency in the slightest.

And thus McCain's first and fatal miscue.

222 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:46:32pm

re: #200 Obdicut

I can respect you voting the wrong way for the right reasons, more than I can you not voting at all.

If that makes any sense.

I still think you had to be fooling yourself about Palin a little bit, or at least just ignoring her presence on the ticket, when it was actual lever time.

I don't hold anyone's past vote against them for any reason. I'm much more interested in seeing how we can work together, because it's quickly becoming apparent that the challenges facing humanity can only be solved working together.

Well - I'll say this . . . even if I had not been a Palin fan, I'm not sure I would have voted for Obama anyway, because of his associations with certain folks, which at that time, appeared to be more substantial than they've turned out to be.

I think the bottom line is that we all have to make up our minds based on our own values and what we observe or conclude about candidates; and then if "our" candidate loses, we have to at least be open to accepting the loss and accepting with some level of grace the person who won the election, and moving along from there.

223 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:46:35pm

re: #154 irving

He'd been running on fumes since South Carolina - 8yrs previous.

He was a shell of the politician he was then.

In 2000 he'd never have let a small cabal from the Weekly Standard and National Review run his VP pick.

224 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:46:47pm

re: #194 Cato the Elder

I proudly voted for Obama.

Here's a Happy Face sticker for you!

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:47:26pm

re: #201 rurality

I don't think either are stupid. Biden has not had the silver spoon advantages--his dad was a car salesman--so think he's got to have something upstairs to get where he has.

For the record, the only time I have ever really liked Sarah Palin was at the VP debate, when she told Biden that Jill would 'have her reward in heaven' for being a teacher.

(I also liked her Zamboni joke.)

226 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:47:37pm

re: #222 reine.de.tout

Well - I'll say this . . . even if I had not been a Palin fan, I'm not sure I would have voted for Obama anyway, because of his associations with certain folks, which at that time, appeared to be more substantial than they've turned out to be.

I think the bottom line is that we all have to make up our minds based on our own values and what we observe or conclude about candidates; and then if "our" candidate loses, we have to at least be open to accepting the loss and accepting with some level of grace the person who won the election, and moving along from there.

Well said.

227 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:48:09pm

re: #214 Obdicut

You're a "big ol lefty". Why the hell would you have ANY reason to vote for John McCain when the hero of the "big ol lefties" is running for your side?

228 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:48:29pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

Palin reflected very poorly on the McCain campaign. Choosing her was one thing but not being able to control her and maintain some sort of harmony during the campaign was unforgivable. He was not capable of running his campaign much less the country.

and look what BOs brilliant campaigned has turned into...judging a favorable campaign as equal to running a country is naive at best

229 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:48:44pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

Palin reflected very poorly on the McCain campaign. Choosing her was one thing but not being able to control her and maintain some sort of harmony during the campaign was unforgivable. He was not capable of running his campaign much less the country.

I agree. What appeared to voters to have been the McCain campaign trying to muzzle Palin, seems now to have been the experienced McCain trying to get a handle on a bad choice for VP.

230 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:48:56pm

re: #202 Logician

``The humble fruit fly has been a workhorse for biologists for almost a century,'' said Scott Hawley, a cancer genetics expert at the Stowers Institute for Medical Research in Kansas City, Mo. ``

To protect his state's olive growers, Rep. Mike Thompson, D-Calif., inserted a $742,764 ``earmark'' in the last congressional appropriations bill to research ways to control the pests. Some of the money is to be spent in France, where the U.S. Department of Agriculture has a research station.

McClatchy papers, if the facts are wrong pick on them.

231 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:49:10pm

re: #227 TheMatrix31

You're a "big ol lefty". Why the hell would you have ANY reason to vote for John McCain when the hero of the "big ol lefties" is running for your side?

If you think Obama is the hero of the left, you're seriously lacking in history.

232 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:49:15pm

re: #210 Raryn

Democrats Abroad

233 Raryn  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:49:15pm

re: #210 Raryn

I only count 56.

50 states, Guam, Northern Marianas, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Washington DC

Whats the last one?

Unless you're counting "Democrats Abroad" in the total, that brings it up to 57

234 Cineaste  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:49:20pm

re: #211 Spare O'Lake

Hagel?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...good one.

Why not? Exceptional credentials - heralded soldier, advocate for veterans, head of the USO, self-made millionaire in private business and major positions in congress related to foreign relations & intelligence. He'd be an excellent pick.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:49:43pm

re: #216 darthstar

If you say so. Sometimes, it's best to just let people believe what they want to believe, and maybe their opinions will change over time.

When the fact support your fantasies my opinion will change.

236 Raryn  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:49:43pm

re: #232 wozzablog

Democrats Abroad


Gah! I looked it up and you beat me by a second >.

237 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:50:07pm

Meanwhile in Gaza...
Marching

Scrambling for cover in the perfect disguise

Gardening (note the greenhouses in the background)

238 Mich-again  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:50:31pm

Great post Charles.

239 Cineaste  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:50:43pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

He's still in the tank for BHO, NJDHF. He hasn't actually paid attention to how Obama actually acts. He's just spouting talking points.

What's with the "BHO"? Want us to be afraid of the sekrit muzlim?

240 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:50:50pm

re: #236 Raryn

;-)

241 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:50:59pm

re: #228 albusteve

He did a damn fine job. He didn't win my vote but he did well enough.

242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:51:02pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

I sooo feel for those women.

243 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:51:28pm

re: #194 Cato the Elder

I proudly voted for Obama.

Me too and even though your wording may have been harsh earlier, I completely understand your point. I can't fathom any reason why people were "excited about Palin" in the beginning.

Yes she has looks and yes she said "God" and "Great Nation" a lot but is that really all it takes? Is that the amount of depth required for a leader to make so many people rabid admirers? And people shouldn't face the fact that they weren't "fooled", they were just intellectually lazy or blindly hopeful that someone, ANYONE could rescue an election which was fairly certain to be won by a Democrat.

That being said it takes a lot of personal character to reevaluate perceptions and make open and honest change. That's hard enough without us bashing them I guess. I can't say I've never been fooled by something out of intellectual laziness, hope or just wishful thinking. It happens to us all. Respect to those who can adapt and overcome.

244 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:51:32pm

re: #231 McSpiff

Then I guess I misinterpreted the fawning, slobbering, nut-hugging behavior of everyone and their mother's during the election cycle.

245 Mich-again  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:52:00pm

Sarah broke into the business as a weather girl at a local TV station. At least she was right half the time back then.

246 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:52:20pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

He did a damn fine job. He didn't win my vote but he did well enough.

apparently you missed the point...on purpose?

247 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:52:24pm

re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I sooo feel for those women.

Don't. They know what they're doing. Feel for their children.

248 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:52:29pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile in Gaza...
Marching

Scrambling for cover in the perfect disguise

Gardening (note the greenhouses in the background)

Gaza has Nazgul?

249 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:52:30pm

re: #239 Cineaste

What's with the "BHO"? Want us to be afraid of the sekrit muzlim?

How dumb.

People constantly refer to Bush as GWB. Or Dubya.

So fucking what. You seem to be the one making his middle name an issue here.

250 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:52:31pm

re: #202 Logician

Since the freaking scientists who study them "mistakenly" call them fruit flys, what's your point other than to quibble?

Palin's an anti science demagogue disciple of the religious right.

251 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:52:41pm

re: #218 TheMatrix31

Not sure about your 31 jersey number , but am watching TheMaitrix0 and my Mavs leading the Suns right now 92-87

252 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:53:19pm

re: #244 TheMatrix31

Then I guess I misinterpreted the fawning, slobbering, nut-hugging behavior of everyone and their mother's during the election cycle.

If you look at his decisions thus far, he's been quite moderate (much to the chagrin of progressives). If President Obama was a true liberal, he would have lost the primary to Hillary. America is years away from ever electing a truly progressive/liberal president.

253 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:53:31pm

re: #222 reine.de.tout

Yes. And to realize that their win actually means something, and we have to move on from that point. 2000 was just an ugly time, but 2004, Democrats showed absolutely no grace whatsoever. Bush was, in many ways, repellent and terrible to me, but the behavior of Democrats immediately following the election was completely unhelpful to the country.

re: #227 TheMatrix31

You're a "big ol lefty". Why the hell would you have ANY reason to vote for John McCain when the hero of the "big ol lefties" is running for your side?

I'm a social liberal, and a pragmatic financial guy. That ticket would have been fine with me-- again, if McCain hadn't been so close with the theocratic side of the party. McCain from 2000, in other words.

And again, Olympia Snowe at the top would be better.

Obama was inexperienced, and his rhetoric was great, but I was unsure of his ability to successfully browbeat other Democrats. So far, he's surprised me by being slightly more successful than I thought, but I think the company would be in better shape today if Old School McCain in non-Theocon, non Neo-con mode was running the country, with a stable of seasoned G.H.W.Bush advisers.

So long as at least one of them understood the economy, that is.


By the way, you said anyone who thought Obama wasn't going to win was a moron.

Did anyone here at LGF think that Obama wasn't going to win?

254 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:53:38pm

re: #246 albusteve

apparently you missed the point


Ah, sorry.

...on purpose?


Nope. My density is not voluntary.

255 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:53:57pm

re: #244 TheMatrix31

He's popular, no doubt about that. And maybe I'm giving too much credit to my side of the aisle. But I think most serious leftists would list someone like FDR before Obama. I like to think so anyways.

256 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:54:37pm

re: #243 Locker

Me too and even though your wording may have been harsh earlier, I completely understand your point. I can't fathom any reason why people were "excited about Palin" in the beginning.

Yes she has looks and yes she said "God" and "Great Nation" a lot but is that really all it takes? Is that the amount of depth required for a leader to make so many people rabid admirers? And people shouldn't face the fact that they weren't "fooled", they were just intellectually lazy or blindly hopeful that someone, ANYONE could rescue an election which was fairly certain to be won by a Democrat.

That being said it takes a lot of personal character to reevaluate perceptions and make open and honest change. That's hard enough without us bashing them I guess. I can't say I've never been fooled by something out of intellectual laziness, hope or just wishful thinking. It happens to us all. Respect to those who can adapt and overcome.

all this blurbage can be applied to BO...anyone that voted for him was conned bigtime...can you reevaluate your perceptions or are you still drooling over his victory?

257 rurality  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:54:42pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

Just saying Zamboni, makes me smile. "Reward in heaven" was a nice sentiment and gracious, but I have become allergic to any sort of religious rhetoric in the public forum. (Can't stand the pointing 'up' at Academy Awards) I just think that stuff should be kept private. And it's also mighty presumptuous to assert what goodies someone is going to get anywhere, much less heaven.

258 Cineaste  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:54:45pm

re: #249 TheMatrix31

How dumb.

People constantly refer to Bush as GWB. Or Dubya.

So fucking what. You seem to be the one making his middle name an issue here.

The reasons they use "GWB" or "Dubya" is because:

1) He is the son of George Bush so you have to deliniate.

2) He was known for years as "Dubya" but friends & family.

259 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:55:08pm

re: #252 darthstar

I see trillions of dollars that say otherwise.

260 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:55:41pm

re: #251 The Shadow Do

Not sure about your 31 jersey number , but am watching TheMaitrix0 and my Mavs leading the Suns right now 92-87

Argh. And the stream I was watching just died.

F'n A.

Josh Howard is a PEST.

261 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:55:43pm

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

When the fact support your fantasies my opinion will change.

Well, at least until then you still have your toys. (hoping you catch the reference to the film after which you took your nickname/icon)

262 Cato the Elder  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:55:43pm

re: #209 Charles

That's got to be one of the most pathetically, transparently false excuses I've seen yet.

As if Sarah Palin would know the difference.

As if anyone in the GOP hierarchy would.

How many little anti-science digs were there in the campaign? I seem to remember something about mocking volcano research, and another bit about a pricey "overhead projector" that turned out to be for a high-end observatory.

Imagine that! Spending money researching things that could blow up and kill a bunch of people. And teaching folks about the stars! Watta wasta taxpayer dollars.

Vote for me, big boy (wink), and not only do you have permission to think about me that way, but I and my anti-intellectual friends will make those geek boys sorry they ever went to college and surpassed your lousy income as a fork-lift driver. It'll feel so good! - like back in the old high-school days when you kicked sand in their eyes and got all the nookie.

That, in a nutshell was and is Sarah's appeal.

263 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:55:45pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

Nope. My density is not voluntary.

heh...mine either

264 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:56:04pm

Noted Climatologist Sarah Palin®seemed like a pretty cool chick for about ten weeks back in 2008.

The problem is, she kept talking, and not in a good way. Rather than elevate the discussion, she's been steadily degrading it. Today she is the Wheaties Girl for FreeDumb.

265 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:56:52pm

re: #256 albusteve

I'd argue Palin's fall from grace has been a much farther one than Obama's. Obama still believes in things like science. And isn't suggesting that just maybe its ok to question Trig's birth.

There's a difference between a potentially mediocre presidency and being bat shit insane.

266 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:56:57pm

re: #260 TheMatrix31

Argh. And the stream I was watching just died.

F'n A.

Josh Howard is a PEST.

Nash nails a three 47 seconds, Mavs up three.

267 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:57:06pm

re: #259 TheMatrix31

I see trillions of dollars that say otherwise.

It's amazing how in one year President Obama has added 7 trillion dollars to our national debt.
/

268 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:57:09pm

re: #258 Cineaste

The reasons they use "GWB" or "Dubya" is because:

1) He is the son of George Bush so you have to deliniate.

2) He was known for years as "Dubya" but friends & family.

I've seen WJC, RWR, GHWB, JFK, LBJ.

Uh, yeah.

269 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:57:13pm

re: #244 TheMatrix31

Then I guess I misinterpreted the fawning, slobbering, nut-hugging behavior of everyone and their mother's during the election cycle.

I guess that would be your perception if you only get your opinions from other righties. You probably think we were afraid of Palin as well. Spiffy is right and it's readily apparent even now. A large percentage of the health care bill blockage is coming from the folks on the left.. cause it doesn't go far enough. If Denis Kucinich would have been Obama, THEN you would have seen a hero of the left get elected.

270 Mich-again  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:57:17pm

re: #252 darthstar

America is years away from ever electing a truly progressive/liberal president.

Lots of the people who supported him thought Obama was going to be one. I'd even say the most fervent supporters were the most progressive ones.

271 Cineaste  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:57:21pm

re: #264 Pawn of the Oppressor

Noted Climatologist Sarah Palin®seemed like a pretty cool chick for about ten weeks back in 2008.

The problem is, she kept talking, and not in a good way. Rather than elevate the discussion, she's been steadily degrading it. Today she is the Wheaties Girl for FreeDumb.

10 weeks is being awfully generous

272 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:57:22pm

re: #252 darthstar

His heart says single payer - his head said individual mandate.

His heart said "out of Iraq yesterday" - his head said the time isn't right yet.

He wanted to make the poorest a priority but ended up giving billions of dollars to the financial services industry.


Pragmatist.

273 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:57:29pm

Kidd for 3! Game over.

274 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:57:37pm

re: #266 The Shadow Do

Damn! Keep me posted.

275 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:58:27pm

re: #261 darthstar

Well, at least until then you still have your toys. (hoping you catch the reference to the film after which you took your nickname/icon)

Upding on the Slap Shot reference!

:0)

276 Mich-again  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:58:28pm

re: #272 wozzablog

Pragmatist.

I agree with that one-word summary.

277 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:58:30pm

re: #262 Cato the Elder

As if anyone in the GOP hierarchy would.

How many little anti-science digs were there in the campaign? I seem to remember something about mocking volcano research, and another bit about a pricey "overhead projector" that turned out to be for a high-end observatory.

Imagine that! Spending money researching things that could blow up and kill a bunch of people. And teaching folks about the stars! Watta wasta taxpayer dollars.

Vote for me, big boy (wink), and not only do you have permission to think about me that way, but I and my anti-intellectual friends will make those geek boys sorry they ever went to college and surpassed your lousy income as a fork-lift driver. It'll feel so good! - like back in the old high-school days when you kicked sand in their eyes and got all the nookie.

That, in a nutshell was and is Sarah's appeal.

Oh, argh!
Don't remind us about the volcano research.
If I recall, that was an utterly embarrassing Bobby Jindal moment.
Ugh.

278 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:58:30pm

re: #265 McSpiff


There's a difference between a potentially mediocre presidency and being bat shit insane.

Had John McCain won the election, that difference would be one.heart.beat.

279 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:58:31pm

re: #273 The Shadow Do

Fucking A. I have never seen him hit as many three's in his career as I have seen him hit with the Mavericks. FUCK.

280 Cato the Elder  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:58:44pm

re: #224 Alouette

Here's a Happy Face sticker for you!

Thank you!

281 Cineaste  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:58:49pm

re: #268 TheMatrix31

I've seen WJC, RWR, GHWB, JFK, LBJ.

Uh, yeah.

JFK & LBJ I'll give you. RWR? WJC? GHWB?

I'll also give you FDR.

282 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:59:20pm

re: #262 Cato the Elder

As if anyone in the GOP hierarchy would.

How many little anti-science digs were there in the campaign? I seem to remember something about mocking volcano research, and another bit about a pricey "overhead projector" that turned out to be for a high-end observatory.

Imagine that! Spending money researching things that could blow up and kill a bunch of people. And teaching folks about the stars! Watta wasta taxpayer dollars.

Vote for me, big boy (wink), and not only do you have permission to think about me that way, but I and my anti-intellectual friends will make those geek boys sorry they ever went to college and surpassed your lousy income as a fork-lift driver. It'll feel so good! - like back in the old high-school days when you kicked sand in their eyes and got all the nookie.

That, in a nutshell was and is Sarah's appeal.

Get some help.

283 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:59:20pm

re: #275 NJDhockeyfan

Upding on the Slap Shot reference!

:0)

I didn't watch that film 27 times in high school for nothing.

284 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:59:23pm

re: #278 darthstar

I'm sure John McCain appreciates your respect for his resiliency. Way to go and assume that he'd just croak in office.

How awful.

285 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:59:28pm

re: #256 albusteve

all this blurbage can be applied to BO...anyone that voted for him was conned bigtime...can you reevaluate your perceptions or are you still drooling over his victory?

No. It can't. Premise rejected.

286 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:59:30pm

re: #265 McSpiff

I'd argue Palin's fall from grace has been a much farther one than Obama's. Obama still believes in things like science. And isn't suggesting that just maybe its ok to question Trig's birth.

There's a difference between a potentially mediocre presidency and being bat shit insane.

the difference is...BO is the president, so who cares if Palin is batshit insane?...BO is a lunatic himself, with mega power and influence...too bad it's all gone south for the Kid From Chicago

287 Cato the Elder  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:59:32pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

For the record, the only time I have ever really liked Sarah Palin was at the VP debate, when she told Biden that Jill would 'have her reward in heaven' for being a teacher.

(I also liked her Zamboni joke.)

As opposed to being rewarded here on earth? Phooey.

288 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 7:59:56pm

re: #281 Cineaste

I've seen em all. Point is its not some secret insinuation, so don't go calling out as such.

289 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:00:06pm

Shit! Richardson for 3! Mavs up two with 16 seconds

290 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:00:50pm

re: #224 Alouette

Here's a Happy Face sticker for you!

Damn!
That's a whole gaggle of happy-face stickers.

291 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:00:54pm

re: #280 Cato the Elder

This is my favorite smiley face:

Image: watchmen_smiley.jpg

292 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:01:12pm

re: #234 Cineaste

McCain and Hagel aren't exactly bosom buddies. The Iraq war split them far apart. There was never a possibility that he would be on the McCain ticket. In fact, if you'll recall, there was a short-lived rumor that Hagel might be considered for the Obama ticket. That fact alone tells you something.

293 gvmtspook  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:01:24pm

re: #210 Raryn

I only count 56.

50 states, Guam, Northern Marianas, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Washington DC

Whats the last one?

Still counting the Philippines?

/Joke

294 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:01:33pm

re: #265 McSpiff

I'd argue Palin's fall from grace has been a much farther one than Obama's.

Yet Obama's poll numbers are dropping and Palin's are rising. They are virtually tied in approval ratings.

295 rurality  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:01:35pm

OT. For all the proud Obama voters, I'm halfway through (and heading back to) The Audacity to Win by David Plouffe. I'm enjoying it, but then I enjoy reading about baseball and Wall Street.

296 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:01:59pm

re: #292 Irenicum

That fact alone tells you something.


He wanted to win?

/

297 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:02:12pm

re: #286 albusteve

Because Palin was the runner up in many people's minds? And if you think Obama is a power mad lunatic you're well into ODS. Go hang out in the woods with codepink wackos trying to stay out of FEMA camps.

298 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:02:53pm

re: #285 Locker

No. It can't. Premise rejected.

inflexible?...thought so, that's worse than people changing their mind

299 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:02:55pm

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

Yet Obama's poll numbers are dropping and Palin's are rising. They are virtually tied in approval ratings.

I think it's strange that they're polling a sitting president against a former VP candidate. Never seen that happen before. It ain't right.

300 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:03:14pm

how about some Good News:

Virginia Veteran Wins Battle to Keep His Flagpole in Yard

An honorable and brave man who won the Medal of Honor prevailed. Thank you, Col. Van T. Barfoot. you're a better man than I could ever be, i do not forget that everything I have, I have because you and others like you defended my nation and my rights.

301 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:03:14pm

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

Yet Obama's poll numbers are dropping and Palin's are rising. They are virtually tied in approval ratings.

O goodie? Should I be happy about that or?

302 Cineaste  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:03:29pm

re: #292 Irenicum

McCain and Hagel aren't exactly bosom buddies. The Iraq war split them far apart. There was never a possibility that he would be on the McCain ticket. In fact, if you'll recall, there was a short-lived rumor that Hagel might be considered for the Obama ticket. That fact alone tells you something.

I'm not saying it was a likely choice. Hell, Palin was a longshot, no? As long as he was throwing hail mary's I would have supported his throwing a good one as opposed to tossing it deep into the bench of the lunatic fringe and ensuring his demise.

303 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:03:31pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile in Gaza...
Marching

Scrambling for cover in the perfect disguise

Gardening (note the greenhouses in the background)

Thanks! You get a hat tip.

304 Logician  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:04:03pm

re: #209 Charles

That's got to be one of the most pathetically, transparently false excuses I've seen yet.

Please read the link. It was a factual correction, not intended as an excuse. In fact, the author says:

It seems that some people seem to think that I was saying that the fact that Palin was talking about Bactrocera instead of Drosophila makes her comments acceptable. I meant nothing of the sort. Whether she was talking about basic research in Drosophila or applied research in Bactrocera, her mockery of science is dangerous, vile and unacceptable. What I find most repugnant is the utter ignorance McCain and Palin manifest - and the pride they seem to take in it

As if Sarah Palin would know the difference.

I suspect the same, and said so, though I am not as sure of it as you are.

305 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:04:13pm

Celebrity culture.

Popularity contest.

306 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:04:25pm

re: #274 TheMatrix31

Damn! Keep me posted.

Nash another 3! 6 seconds left, Mavs by 1. When these two teams play it is always something.

307 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:04:28pm

re: #272 wozzablog

I don't agree with that first part. Obama fucked up the health insurance thing big time. I fully support single payer-- because it's pragmatic. With the amount of time they've spent on the defensive here, they could have made the pro-small-business, economic pitch for single payer. Instead, they have fucked around in the weeds, contradicting themselves, not presenting anything at all firm for anyone to grasp onto.

I understand our health care and insurance system intimately. There were so many easy ways for them to make their case. There were so many easy ways for Obama to make his case.

I am not forgiving the many GOP officials who have completely soiled the debate with propaganda and lies. But that does not obsolve the Democrats, and Obama, for their complete failure to communicate.

Obama should spend less time trying to be nonpartisan with a party that doesn't want to be nonpartisan and more time convincing the American people. So should all the Democrats.

There's one very good reason for people to be at Tea Parties: Their elected representatives in many places have shown their contempt and disdain for their constituents. They have treated their constituents like goddamn morons. Democrats and Republicans alike.

308 Cineaste  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:04:47pm

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

Yet Obama's poll numbers are dropping and Palin's are rising. They are virtually tied in approval ratings.

What the heck are people approving of with Palin? Her writing a book and her quitting her job?

At least Obama has a job that people can judge him on. Talk about cutting and running...

309 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:05:23pm

re: #297 McSpiff

Because Palin was the runner up in many people's minds? And if you think Obama is a power mad lunatic you're well into ODS. Go hang out in the woods with codepink wackos trying to stay out of FEMA camps.

I called him a lunatic with power...not power mad...hurts don't it?, it's all going to hell and you just can't believe it!

310 avanti  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:05:26pm

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

Yet Obama's poll numbers are dropping and Palin's are rising. They are virtually tied in approval ratings.

Funny you should mention polls. Obama had a one day drop of 3 points yesterday and Fox is still quoting that one day blip today and they know full well it's 50% again, but that is a less entertaining number.

311 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:05:48pm

re: #299 Gus 802

I think it's strange that they're polling a sitting president against a former VP candidate. Never seen that happen before. It ain't right.

Well they are using two separate polls for the story. They weren't polled head to head.

312 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:06:46pm

re: #305 Gus 802

Celebrity culture.

Popularity contest.

BO, the star of AmIdol politics...cheer when the light flashes

313 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:07:02pm

re: #311 NJDhockeyfan

Well they are using two separate polls for the story. They weren't polled head to head.

I know. So the media is creating this. Even saw it in the NY Times and the LA Times.

314 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:07:13pm

re: #264 Pawn of the Oppressor

"Wheaties Girl for FreeDumb." Heh.

315 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:07:18pm

re: #307 Obdicut

According to the AP, it looks like the public option is getting pulled from the Senate bill:

Democratic Senators Agree to Drop Government-Run Insurance Option

316 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:07:50pm

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

I guess it wasn't a toddler with a crayon, however polls don't mean a thing. Sarah has nothing to lose since she doesn't have any responsibility. The sub 50% means that the people polled may not be confident that Obama can fix things like he promised.

317 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:07:52pm

re: #309 albusteve

Not really. I'm Canadian, living in Canada. We're doing fine up here. Our government is the Conservative(Right-leaning) party. But you can make whatever assumptions you like. And we both know "lunatic with power" is hyperbole so I won't bother with it.

318 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:08:04pm

Phew! 102-101 Mavs.

Now I will return to my regular LGF programming. What's this I hear about this Palin person?

319 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:08:09pm

Ugh. What a waste. Damn Suns.

320 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:08:15pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

According to the AP, it looks like the public option is getting pulled from the Senate bill:

Democratic Senators Agree to Drop Government-Run Insurance Option

Great news!

321 avanti  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:08:37pm

re: #311 NJDhockeyfan

Well they are using two separate polls for the story. They weren't polled head to head.

Correct, they took one blip down in approval for Obama, and compared it to a Palin bounce. Head to head as candidates, she trails by a bunch.

322 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:08:49pm

re: #284 TheMatrix31

I'm sure John McCain appreciates your respect for his resiliency. Way to go and assume that he'd just croak in office.

How awful.

Actually, what I was implying was that if McCain had won, I'd want him to have an official food taster with him. Sarah's a power-hungry zealot. I don't trust her as far as I can throw her. I'm glad she's now just a noise machine and not an actual elected official.

323 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:09:11pm

re: #307 Obdicut

He screwed up healthcare by not offering an already authored cut and dried bill when he had 70% approval - he needed to use the bully pulpit then.

Leaving it to Congress was a nightmare that was always going to become the reality we have now.

Your post just proves my point - he hasn't spent the last year being a Liberal wet dream.

He needed to make overtures to the GOP to show good will and for something to stick them with when they said no, stuck their fingers in their ears and behaved like children in pretending the outside world didn't exist.

324 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:09:29pm

re: #322 darthstar

lol, okay. Have fun with Obama, the non-power-hungry zealot that you fully trust.

325 captdiggs  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:09:58pm

re: #228 albusteve

and look what BOs brilliant campaigned has turned into...judging a favorable campaign as equal to running a country is naive at best

The jury is still out on Obama...way out.
But it was the other democratic primary contenders that made the loudest noises about his inexperience and naivete.

So far, his foreign policy initiatives have paid no dividends. There is no cooperation from China or Russia, despite Obama's apparent deference.
His mideast 'peace initiative' is a shambles.
He made building houses in Israeli settlements the central issue, and thereby handed the Palestinians and the rest of the arab nations a reason to refuse to negotiate on a platter.
His extended hand of peace to the Iranians has been slapped so many times, it's embarrassing, or should be.
His renewal of relations with Syria was met with increased infiltration of arms and fighters across the Syrian border into Iraq.
Along the way, he managed to insult and estrange, Britain, France, Germany, and of course, Israel.


Like I said, the jury has a lot of deliberation to do.

326 gvmtspook  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:09:58pm

re: #245 Mich-again

Sarah broke into the business as a weather girl at a local TV station. At least she was right half the time back then.

Whenever I hear how Palin started as a weather girl, I instantly flash upon "To Die For" in my head...

327 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:10:14pm

re: #320 NJDhockeyfan

Yeah its great news, creates big-time discontent within those fighting for the bill. Fight amongst yourselves, assholes!

328 Cineaste  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:11:07pm

re: #311 NJDhockeyfan

Well they are using two separate polls for the story. They weren't polled head to head.

Like Fox discovering that 120% of Americans have an opinion on scientists and AGW.

329 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:11:15pm

re: #317 McSpiff

Not really. I'm Canadian, living in Canada. We're doing fine up here. Our government is the Conservative(Right-leaning) party. But you can make whatever assumptions you like. And we both know "lunatic with power" is hyperbole so I won't bother with it.

if Palin is a standard for lunacy, then BO certainly measures up

330 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:11:36pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Oh, I wouldn't count on that. The public option has died and been born again over and over.

It doesn't really matter. It'll just mean a few more years of suffering before we do adopt the public option, or single payer. I no longer have any faith in the Democrats getting it done in this iteration, but they might.

The bill is a tiny first step at this point, but I think it's attracted most of the heat, and the public will be too exhausted when they follow up with supplementary bills in the future.

It sure has inflated war chests of Democrats, though. That's the funny thing about the whole debate, and one reason I'm pretty damn angry at the Democrats: they're making out like bandits from the health insurers and others right now.

331 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:11:37pm

re: #322 darthstar

Come to think of that, didn't Lloyd Bentsen debate Quayle on that one heart beat question?

332 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:11:52pm

re: #320 NJDhockeyfan

Great news!

Agreed. If the public option can be kept out of the final bill, then the bill's cardinal danger will have been averted.

333 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:12:41pm

re: #323 wozzablog

Oh, I was agreeing that he wasn't a liberal wet dream, too-- his stance on gay marriage on a personal level voids that for me, anyway.

I just meant that I disagreed that the heart says single payer. The head says single payer. Or at least public option. It's the pragmatic solution to the naturally broken market of health insurance.

334 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:12:48pm

re: #321 avanti

Correct, they took one blip down in approval for Obama, and compared it to a Palin bounce. Head to head as candidates, she trails by a bunch.

whatever, BOs popularity and performance are sinking, all you have to do to see it is watch...the rest is just splitting hairs

335 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:12:56pm

re: #323 wozzablog


He needed to make overtures to the GOP to show good will and for something to stick them with when they said no, stuck their fingers in their ears and behaved like children in pretending the outside world didn't exist.

Huh, overtures? I must be deaf.

336 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:13:39pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

Then you sit down and realize all the other crap that's wrong with it.

337 Mich-again  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:13:42pm

re: #262 Cato the Elder

but I and my anti-intellectual friends will make those geek boys sorry they ever went to college and surpassed your lousy income as a fork-lift driver.

I kind of failed in my short stint as a fork truck driver at a warehouse. Ran into a column at a pretty high speed turning in reverse and shook the whole building and dropped dust on everyone. It was a part time job while I was in college. That and my depth perception wasn't so great and once in a while I would push a pallet from the third level rack into the one behind it trying to pull the one in front. Raining down stock in the next aisle. Look Out! Ha. Calculus was easy. That forklift job sucked.

338 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:13:47pm

re: #334 albusteve

Ah yes, facts. Those oh-so thick hairs.

339 Cato the Elder  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:13:57pm

re: #320 NJDhockeyfan

Great news!

Yeah, because government-run insurance options are so unpopular, all the people I know on Medicare are clamoring for coverage by United Health-Care Denial of America, Inc., so they can not be treated for pre-existing conditions.

340 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:14:37pm

re: #325 captdiggs

The jury is still out on Obama...way out.
But it was the other democratic primary contenders that made the loudest noises about his inexperience and naivete.

So far, his foreign policy initiatives have paid no dividends. There is no cooperation from China or Russia, despite Obama's apparent deference.
His mideast 'peace initiative' is a shambles.
He made building houses in Israeli settlements the central issue, and thereby handed the Palestinians and the rest of the arab nations a reason to refuse to negotiate on a platter.
His extended hand of peace to the Iranians has been slapped so many times, it's embarrassing, or should be.
His renewal of relations with Syria was met with increased infiltration of arms and fighters across the Syrian border into Iraq.
Along the way, he managed to insult and estrange, Britain, France, Germany, and of course, Israel.

Like I said, the jury has a lot of deliberation to do.

That's called "elevating America's image abroad back from the bottom of the well where bush left it."

341 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:14:40pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. If the public option can be kept out of the final bill, then the bill's cardinal danger will have been averted.

But does no public option also mean no nationalized health care insurance programs for a certain segment of the population. Like Medicaid or similar?

342 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:16:00pm

re: #302 Cineaste

Hell, if McCain HAD picked Hagel, that would have sealed my vote FOR him. But instead he picked Palin and that sealed my vote against him. Sad, since I gave money to his campaign back in 2000.

343 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:16:33pm

Two Democratic sources said that the deal includes proposals to replace the public option by creating a not-for-profit private insurance option overseen by the federal Office of Personnel Management, much like the current health plan for federal workers, and another allowing people 55 and older to buy into Medicare coverage that currently is available to those 65 and older.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

344 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:17:02pm

Yep, just like I suspected.

345 avanti  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:17:37pm

re: #334 albusteve

whatever, BOs popularity and performance are sinking, all you have to do to see it is watch...the rest is just splitting hairs

Actually, his approval has been very flat for 3 months, not easy to do pushing major agenda's that piss off about half the population or more.
polling.

346 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:17:37pm

re: #342 Irenicum

Hell, if McCain HAD picked Hagel, that would have sealed my vote FOR him. But instead he picked Palin and that sealed my vote against him. Sad, since I gave money to his campaign back in 2000.

Odd that, you may be one of the few that votes for the Veep and not the top of the ticket. Hard to figure.

347 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:17:50pm

re: #343 Gus 802

Two Democratic sources said that the deal includes proposals to replace the public option by creating a not-for-profit private insurance option overseen by the federal Office of Personnel Management, much like the current health plan for federal workers, and another allowing people 55 and older to buy into Medicare coverage that currently is available to those 65 and older.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Why don't they just fix Medicare? Wouldn't that be cheaper?

348 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:18:04pm

re: #343 Gus 802

Huh. Perhaps I spoke too soon.

349 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:18:33pm

Partisan political bias is as strong an emotion as love or hate. It has the power to distort human perception. The party or person we support causes us not only to overlook their faults, but to honestly perceive them as less bad than the same faults in the one we oppose. Things we would condemn in one, we defend in the other, and we are being completely sincere and honest.

The human mind is greatly susceptible to bias, and this includes the highly educated and highly intelligent.

350 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:18:55pm

re: #227 TheMatrix31

You're a "big ol lefty". Why the hell would you have ANY reason to vote for John McCain when the hero of the "big ol lefties" is running for your side?

I know this may come as a horrible shock, but I don't see Obama as being wildly left-wing, at least not in any way that I find especially appealing.

351 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:19:04pm

re: #335 The Shadow Do

Time for your check up.

He's gone out of his way to be nice to Snowe, Grassley and others on the Republican side - Grassley jumped overboard when he started following Palin's death panels and SNowe wanted a mandatory opt out from a public option so weakend it was status quo.

[Link: grassley.senate.gov...]

352 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:19:13pm

re: #347 NJDhockeyfan

Why don't they just fix Medicare? Wouldn't that be cheaper?

That's what I always thought but maybe I was wrong. It's still in the red. Fix Medicare and Medicaid first then move on to health insurance reform.

353 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:19:22pm

re: #347 NJDhockeyfan

You mean the 34 trillion dollar drain on our country?

354 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:19:42pm

re: #338 McSpiff

Ah yes, facts. Those oh-so thick hairs.

what facts?...polls?...poll the Poles, or the Czechs, or the Brits, or the Israelis to find out how popular BO is...our allies

355 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:20:02pm

re: #344 Gus 802

Yep, just like I suspected.

That's still not as bad, and is a option that can be reformed in a free-market direction. Honestly, I'd probably vote for such a compromise if I could. I still might not vote for the overall bill, but I'd vote that amendment into the bill. The compromise seems to me As Good As It Gets.

356 captdiggs  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:20:33pm

re: #349 Bagua

Partisan political bias is as strong an emotion as love or hate. It has the power to distort human perception. The party or person we support causes us not only to overlook their faults, but to honestly perceive them as less bad than the same faults in the one we oppose. Things we would condemn in one, we defend in the other, and we are being completely sincere and honest.

The human mind is greatly susceptible to bias, and this includes the highly educated and highly intelligent.

Excellent comment.

357 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:20:33pm

re: #345 avanti

Actually, his approval has been very flat for 3 months, not easy to do pushing major agenda's that piss off about half the population or more.
polling.

his crash in popularity is historic...nuance that

358 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:20:45pm

re: #333 Obdicut

Obama said on the campaign trail if he were starting with a clean slate he'd go for single payer. It's on record.

359 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:21:12pm

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

Yet Obama's poll numbers are dropping and Palin's are rising. They are virtually tied in approval ratings.

Seriously? Obama is President of a country in serious trouble. Palin is an author. Here, you pick.. take one and tell me which has an easier time raising their approval ratings. I'm gonna go with the author who can exclude the press from her events and only visit friendly crowds.

360 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:21:29pm

re: #353 TheMatrix31

You mean the 34 trillion dollar drain on our country?

Yes, fix that instead of starting another dollar-draining government bureaucracy.

361 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:22:03pm

re: #354 albusteve

what facts?...polls?...poll the Poles, or the Czechs, or the Brits, or the Israelis to find out how popular BO is...our allies

Obama won with 52.9% of the popular vote. He's now polling at 50%. And you want me to believe that this is literally the end of the world for the Democrats. A shift of 3%. Seriously.

362 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:22:22pm

re: #351 wozzablog

Time for your check up.

He's gone out of his way to be nice to Snowe, Grassley and others on the Republican side - Grassley jumped overboard when he started following Palin's death panels and SNowe wanted a mandatory opt out from a public option so weakend it was status quo.

[Link: grassley.senate.gov...]

He didn't have to reach very far now did he? Snowe, Grasseley...*snort*

363 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:22:34pm

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

That's still not as bad, and is a option that can be reformed in a free-market direction. Honestly, I'd probably vote for such a compromise if I could. I still might not vote for the overall bill, but I'd vote that amendment into the bill. The compromise seems to me As Good As It Gets.

In theory. But keep in mind that they're talking about having the Office of Personnel Management oversee it. Have to wait and see I suppose.

364 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:22:47pm

re: #358 wozzablog

Obama said on the campaign trail if he were starting with a clean slate he'd go for single payer. It's on record.

I know. I really was just quibbling about the head/heart thing, and venting a bit about Democrats completely flubbing the pitch. Sorry for going off.

365 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:22:50pm

re: #359 Locker

If Palin is just an author, then who gives a fuck and why the harping on her?

And nevermind the fact that Obama has been caught planting questions and setting up crowds too.

Whatever.

366 Mocking Jay  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:22:50pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

According to the AP, it looks like the public option is getting pulled from the Senate bill:

Democratic Senators Agree to Drop Government-Run Insurance Option

Not true, according to Reid.

367 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:23:23pm

re: #357 albusteve

Historically similar, as someone pointed out a couple of nights back, to Regans after inheriting a country from an unpopular president and tanking economy.

Image: 0911bhovrwr.jpg

368 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:23:26pm

re: #362 The Shadow Do

What's wrong with Snowe, according to you?

369 albusteve  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:23:35pm

I'm out like Ernie Shavers...

370 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:23:38pm

re: #303 Alouette

Thanks! You get a hat tip.

Heh, thanks.

371 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:23:55pm

re: #360 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, fix that instead of starting another dollar-draining government bureaucracy.

If only they did what makes sense, instead of power-grabbing and employing fiscally nonsensical and destructive measures.

My adult life is going to suck.

372 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:23:58pm

re: #369 albusteve

I'm out like Ernie Shavers...

Cut and run... ;-) Have a good one.

373 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:24:30pm

re: #362 The Shadow Do

He's sooo bipartisan!

/

374 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:25:43pm

re: #366 JasonA

Not true, according to Reid.

Reid will either pull the public option, or the bill will go down in flames. He doesn't have the votes to pass it and he won't be able to get them.

375 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:26:06pm

Seriously TheMatrix? A humorous dig earns a down ding now?

376 Soap_Man  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:26:21pm

re: #2 rwmofo

Didn't Palin also claim to have visited all 57 states?

Ah, yes, the ancient art of deflection. You have no defense for the argument at hand, so you try to deflect it to another subject/person.

This can fly with weaker-minded subjects, but the intelligent and knowledgeable cannot be fooled so easily.

(I'm late to the thread. Just wanted to get that out.)

377 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:26:22pm

re: #375 McSpiff

Yep.

378 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:26:32pm

re: #362 The Shadow Do

Ah yes - RINOS don't count as being Republicans. I'd forgotten about that/

the invites to the good and decent upstanding republican members of Congress - like Wilson, Bachman and Price musta got lost in the mail.

379 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:26:47pm

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

Reid will either pull the public option, or the bill will go down in flames. He doesn't have the votes to pass it and he won't be able to get them.

If he pulls the public option it goes down in flames as well. Either way he's fucked.

380 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:27:17pm

re: #377 TheMatrix31

Yep.

A little thin skinned for someone the comment wasn't directed at but fair enough...

381 Mocking Jay  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:27:24pm

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

Reid will either pull the public option, or the bill will go down in flames. He doesn't have the votes to pass it and he won't be able to get them.

Doesn't he still have reconciliation in his back pocket somewhere, lingering amongst loose change and lint?

(And for the record I'm not the guy's biggest fan, either.)

382 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:27:34pm

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan

Good. Let it DIE. With no health insurance to revive it.

383 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:28:00pm

re: #347 NJDhockeyfan

Why don't they just fix Medicare? Wouldn't that be cheaper?

Because the plan isn't to "fix" anything. The plan is to get a huge new governmental program created that can never be eliminated, only "fixed" and "reformed" with the next round of legislation which will always involve more government, and more taxation.

When the flawed program which the proponents know in advance will have problems becomes unbearable, the next round of "fixes" and "reforms" will be proposed. Then as now they will sound reasonable, address real problems, be incremental, and always involve more government and more taxation.

Public option yes or no now is meaningless, it and everything can wait for the next incremental step once the super-bureaucracy has been created, it can never be removed.

384 cliffster  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:28:12pm

Copenhagen opening film. Very scientific.

385 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:28:21pm

re: #380 McSpiff

I don't like stupid comments. You have to throw in that "cut and run" nonsense? What if the guy genuinely has to leave? Do you automatically assume he's not brave enough to debate with you? Humility is crucial.

386 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:28:21pm

re: #365 TheMatrix31

If Palin is just an author, then who gives a fuck and why the harping on her?

And nevermind the fact that Obama has been caught planting questions and setting up crowds too.

Whatever.

I guess the person who gives a fuck is the person who just compared their polling numbers. And the reason why anyone gives a fuck is that the media loves a pretty train wreck. Period.

387 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:28:57pm

re: #378 wozzablog

Ah yes - RINOS don't count as being Republicans. I'd forgotten about that/

We don't. Just ask our own party.

388 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:29:34pm

Here some more face-palm inducing Bad Craziness, this time from Congressman James Sensenbrenner (R, WI):

A Republican lawmaker said Tuesday he is going to attend the Copenhagen conference on climate change to inform world leaders that despite any promises made by President Obama, no new laws will be passed in the United States until the "scientific fascism" ends.

Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., also wrote to Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, on Monday to demand that researchers who authored e-mails and documents that demonstrate climate change data were manipulated should not be allowed to participate in the latest report written by the U.N. panel.

"I call it 'scientific fascism,'" Sensenbrenner said during a press conference with fellow climate change skeptics. "The U.N. should throw a red flag. ... They relied on these scientists unjustifiably in my opinion."

Read the whole thing. The FAIL is so thick you can cut with a knife.

389 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:29:52pm

re: #385 TheMatrix31

I don't like stupid comments. You have to throw in that "cut and run" nonsense? What if the guy genuinely has to leave? Do you automatically assume he's not brave enough to debate with you? Humility is crucial.

I'm assuming he does have to leave, and I'm sure I'll have plenty of other discussions with albusteve. We've had many in the past. But I'm sure he appreciates your concern.

390 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:30:40pm

re: #346 The Shadow Do

If he had picked Hagel it would have meant he had gone back to being the McCain of 2000. That and I highly respect Hagel. So even though it seems as though I let the veep decide my vote, it's really that the top of the ticket's choice, McCain, is what swayed my vote. And, to be honest, I found Biden's choice by Obama to be a sign of his pragmatic tendencies showing. I never bought that Obama was the incarnation of everything progressive. His Harvard days gave me a sense that he's always been about 'negotiating' more than ruling by fiat. That's also why I'm not at all surprised that the left is so disappointed in him.

391 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:30:45pm

re: #386 Locker

I guess the person who gives a fuck is the person who just compared their polling numbers. And the reason why anyone gives a fuck is that the media loves a pretty train wreck. Period.

I didn't compare the polling numbers, the LA Times did.

392 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:30:59pm

re: #385 TheMatrix31

I don't like stupid comments. You have to throw in that "cut and run" nonsense? What if the guy genuinely has to leave? Do you automatically assume he's not brave enough to debate with you? Humility is crucial.

Look man if you can't afford a sense of humor you can like... put one down on lay away. Pay a few dollars a month and then at the end of the year you can have your very own, brand new, shiny sense of humor.

Additionally you can use the same for a new pair of glasses, then maybe you can detect the sideways smiley face sitting right there in the middle of the comment.

393 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:31:47pm

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

Reid will either pull the public option, or the bill will go down in flames. He doesn't have the votes to pass it and he won't be able to get them.

There are a couple liberals who won't vote for it without a PO. Sanders, maybe Feingold. I forget who else.

394 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:31:56pm

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

Oh god. Fascism. Yeah.

By the way, Sensenbrenner is the former GOP chair of the House Science Committee.

Yeah.

395 cliffster  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:31:58pm

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

If you don't like someone, call them a fascist. That'll show 'em.

396 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:32:02pm

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

I didn't think Sensenbrenner was still alive. He was old when I was a kid.

397 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:32:51pm

re: #392 Locker

Like I need you to dictate to me what kind of sense of humor to have.

And that "sideways smiley" that I saw and see so many other places is nothing more than saying "Oh, I'm going to say this about you, but look, here's a smiley to make it all better!". It's right up there with people who say "I'm sorry, but..." or "No offense intended, but..."

398 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:32:57pm

re: #381 JasonA

Doesn't he still have reconciliation in his back pocket somewhere, lingering amongst loose change and lint?

(And for the record I'm not the guy's biggest fan, either.)

That just means the thing has to be voted to be extended in 4 more years, and D senate majorities aren't likely to be any greater then.

399 Mocking Jay  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:32:58pm

re: #384 cliffster

Copenhagen opening film. Very scientific.


For a second I thought I was watching the trailer for a new Harry Potter.

400 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:33:06pm

re: #368 Obdicut

What's wrong with Snowe, according to you?

Absolutely nothing. My point is that enlisting one or two left leaning Republicans in order to garner the hallowed bipartisan label is not reaching out. As you know the conflicts are within the Democratic Party. There is no cross-aisle conversation, to say so is disingenuous.

401 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:33:09pm

re: #394 Obdicut

Oh god. Fascism. Yeah.

By the way, Sensenbrenner is the former GOP chair of the House Science Committee.

Yeah.

Comforting thought no?

402 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:33:19pm

re: #391 NJDhockeyfan

Ok man but your 294 isn't presented as a quote, it's presented as your opinion. Fair enough if it was the former. My bad.

403 cliffster  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:33:31pm

re: #387 Sharmuta

We don't. Just ask our own party.

I haven't gotten out of any primaries yet...

404 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:33:32pm

re: #384 cliffster

It's sad to see children frightened with that sort of propaganda.

405 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:33:55pm

O/T Just jumping in with this...
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Two Democratic sources said that the deal includes proposals to replace the public option by creating a not-for-profit private insurance option overseen by the federal Office of Personnel Management, much like the current health plan for federal workers, and another allowing people 55 and older to buy into Medicare coverage that currently is available to those 65 and older.

406 Mocking Jay  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:34:12pm

re: #398 Conservative Moonbat

That just means the thing has to be voted to be extended in 4 more years, and D senate majorities aren't likely to be any greater then.

Well I didn't say it was a particularly good option...

407 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:34:29pm

re: #400 The Shadow Do

So because Snowe is 'left-leaning', she doesn't count as across the aisle?

What is she, in the middle of the aisle?

408 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:34:32pm

re: #397 TheMatrix31

Like I need you to dictate to me what kind of sense of humor to have.

And that "sideways smiley" that I saw and see so many other places is nothing more than saying "Oh, I'm going to say this about you, but look, here's a smiley to make it all better!". It's right up there with people who say "I'm sorry, but..." or "No offense intended, but..."

Well if you don't want to let me do it at least find someone to help you out. Additionally that stick in your ass could probably use some removing. Just trying to help a brother out. ;-)

409 cliffster  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:34:41pm

re: #387 Sharmuta

re: #403 cliffster

Sorry - I haven't gotten kicked out of any primaries..

410 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:34:43pm

re: #381 JasonA

Doesn't he still have reconciliation in his back pocket somewhere, lingering amongst loose change and lint?

(And for the record I'm not the guy's biggest fan, either.)

if he tries that, he loses a number of other votes. He might not even get 51 trying that tactic.

411 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:35:03pm

re: #408 Locker

Yay, winky face!

412 palomino  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:35:52pm

re: #195 NJDhockeyfan

Elevating America's image? Our enemies hate us even more. What in the world are you talking about?

I think this is what he's talking about. Numbers for the rest of the world are pretty consistent with these figures. link...

413 OneMonkeysUncle  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:35:56pm

re: #346 The Shadow Do

Odd that, you may be one of the few that votes for the Veep and not the top of the ticket. Hard to figure.

On the contrary, I too would have voted for McCain, had he not picked Palin - not JUST because of HER lack of qualifications and general level of Christianist obnoxiousness, but because of HIS selection of someone so utterly unequipped for the job, just to get members of his own party to vote for him... I knew his judgment could be erratic; I guess I never really appreciated HOW erratic.

414 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:36:13pm

OT:

Dark_Falcon: Crap, I forgot to check that thread. Did you respond the next morning? Apologies.

415 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:36:30pm

OT:

I am thinking about moving to the Nashville area and been looking at houses in the area. Here is one house that looks like a steal...5200 sq ft, 5 br, 3 bath, and 5 acres of land. Beautiful house. Them I looked closer at the pictures.

What do you suppose happened to this house?

416 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:36:55pm

re: #404 Bagua

It's sad to see children frightened with that sort of propaganda.

That film is designed solely to appeal to people's emotions. To lead off with it at conference that is supposed to be about science is disingenuous at best.

417 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:37:02pm

re: #407 Obdicut

So because Snowe is 'left-leaning', she doesn't count as across the aisle?

What is she, in the middle of the aisle?

To enlist here as an army of one in order to apply the bipartisan label is not discourse though that is what bipartisan implies.

Enlisting her to a social cause is the equivalent of enlisting Lieberman on defense issues for the right.

418 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:37:05pm

re: #404 Bagua

It's sad to see children frightened with that sort of propaganda.

It does play into the stereotype at first...

I do remember having bad dreams a couple of times about nuclear war when I was a kid.

419 cliffster  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:37:37pm

re: #404 Bagua

It's sad to see children frightened with that sort of propaganda.

So much effort at LGF to lend scientific credibility to the issue, screw propoganda. And here's a kid hanging from a tree limb. "Please help me".

420 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:37:59pm

re: #393 Conservative Moonbat

There are a couple liberals who won't vote for it without a PO. Sanders, maybe Feingold. I forget who else.

The Stand with Dr Dean site has some figures available. I believe right now it's like 271 members of congress on board with the public option. Not saying they'll block without it like I'm sure Russ Feingold would (Yea Russ!) but there are definitely some discussions going on.

421 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:37:59pm

re: #414 Obdicut

OT:

Dark_Falcon: Crap, I forgot to check that thread. Did you respond the next morning? Apologies.

No, I had to run. It was snowing here in Chicago and I had to leave early to get to work in time. Sorry about that.

422 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:38:11pm

re: #400 The Shadow Do

Sooo... Grassley and Snowe sit on the Democrat side of the aisle?.

You talk to the moderates on the other side - thats how it's done to get a fig leaf of cover and so when it all falls to crap you can release press statement after press statement about bad faith negotiation on the other side thereby passing some of the blame off.

It's one of those 101's i thought people knew...

423 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:38:17pm

re: #418 Gus 802

"Heaven and Earth" did it for me but hey, I had nightmares over "Project Blue Book"

424 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:38:24pm

re: #420 Locker

Sorry forgot the link: standwithdrdean.com

425 Mocking Jay  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:38:26pm

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

I am thinking about moving to the Nashville area and been looking at houses in the area. Here is one house that looks like a steal...5200 sq ft, 5 br, 3 bath, and 5 acres of land. Beautiful house. Them I looked closer at the pictures.

What do you suppose happened to this house?

One hell of a party?

426 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:39:16pm

re: #417 The Shadow Do

Sorry, I'm too tired to explain myself coherently right now. Apologies, time for beer and bed.

427 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:39:22pm

re: #413 OneMonkeysUncle

LOL @ worrying about judgment, then voting for Barack Obama.

428 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:39:29pm

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan

Stripped for anything saleable?
Must not have had copper piping, BTW...
Walls look intact.

429 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:39:45pm

re: #421 Dark_Falcon

No problem, I forgot too, so I'm glad you did.

Have a good one.

430 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:39:55pm

re: #425 JasonA

One hell of a party?

Are those bullet holes in the wall?

431 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:39:59pm

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan

WOW. 200k for 5200 square feet, 5 bedrooms, and 3 baths?

/California SUCKS.

432 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:40:06pm

g'night all

433 OneMonkeysUncle  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:40:16pm

re: #427 TheMatrix31

I didn't say I voted for Obama; I said I didn't vote for McCain. There were other choices, you know.

434 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:40:27pm

re: #413 OneMonkeysUncle

On the contrary, I too would have voted for McCain, had he not picked Palin - not JUST because of HER lack of qualifications and general level of Christianist obnoxiousness, but because of HIS selection of someone so utterly unequipped for the job, just to get members of his own party to vote for him... I knew his judgment could be erratic; I guess I never really appreciated HOW erratic.

I had an open mind about McCain until the Palin pick and I'm a Democrat.

For all the talk about how the Reps. lost in 2008 because McCain was too "moderate." I think when all the truth is told it's going to turn out that he was the most electable candidate the Republicans had run since Reagan and they really screwed the pooch with the Palin pick.

435 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:40:32pm

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan


What do you suppose happened to this house?


It looks like it was under renovation and then abandoned. Probably because of the housing meltdown. Doesn't look like fire or flood damage. Looks like a party place for local teens. Probably nothing serious.

436 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:40:39pm

re: #431 TheMatrix31

...didn't see the pics themselves. WTF?

437 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:41:01pm

re: #433 OneMonkeysUncle

None that matter.

438 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:41:31pm

OT, if there are any Surfing Lizard fans, Waimea Bay is projected to hit 50 feet plus, tomorrow. Big contest is ON!

439 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:41:40pm

re: #397 TheMatrix31

I don't mean to jump into this little tiff, but I couldn't help but be reminded of one the funniest books I've ever read called the "Evasion English Dictionary" by Maggie Ballistreri. I still bust out laughing every time I look at it.

440 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:41:42pm

re: #434 Conservative Moonbat

Agreed. Completely. I was considering voting for McCain, then that VP pick. The sound of all the independents hitting the water after jumping ship was deafening.

441 Mocking Jay  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:41:50pm

re: #430 NJDhockeyfan

re: #431 TheMatrix31

I imagine they could get more than that if they, you know, cleaned the place up a little?

442 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:41:54pm

re: #422 wozzablog

Sooo... Grassley and Snowe sit on the Democrat side of the aisle?.

You talk to the moderates on the other side - thats how it's done to get a fig leaf of cover and so when it all falls to crap you can release press statement after press statement about bad faith negotiation on the other side thereby passing some of the blame off.

It's one of those 101's i thought people knew...

Of course it's a fig leaf, and yes it is obvious. Just my point.

I did not say they sat on the Democrat side of the aisle. I simply stated the obvious that they are low hanging fruit - no reaching involved. I simply take issue with the obvious fallacy that the Democrats have reached out. That is silly.

443 OneMonkeysUncle  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:41:55pm

re: #434 Conservative Moonbat

I couldn't agree more. McCain was just about the best chance the Repubs had; now they're purged themselves of anyone who's not a Christianist - I just don't believe one of them can get elected.

444 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:41:58pm

re: #431 TheMatrix31

WOW. 200k for 5200 square feet, 5 bedrooms, and 3 baths?

/California SUCKS.

And 5 acres! Look at the neighborhood. Lots of room between the houses. I would love to live there.

445 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:42:27pm

re: #433 OneMonkeysUncle

I didn't say I voted for Obama; I said I didn't vote for McCain. There were other choices, you know.

Cynthia McKinney?

446 cliffster  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:42:49pm

re: #438 Floral Giraffe

OT, if there are any Surfing Lizard fans, Waimea Bay is projected to hit 50 feet plus, tomorrow. Big contest is ON!

"Is 50 feet a lot?" upding.

447 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:42:59pm
448 The Shadow Do  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:43:05pm

re: #426 Obdicut

Sorry, I'm too tired to explain myself coherently right now. Apologies, time for beer and bed.

Goodnight. A cold one and a pillow...me too!

449 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:43:25pm

re: #441 JasonA

re: #431 TheMatrix31

I imagine they could get more than that if they, you know, cleaned the place up a little?

Ya think?

450 palomino  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:43:53pm

If Palin looked like Greta van Susterrren or Madeline Albright, how much attention would the MSM be paying her birthing denialist fundamentalist ass? But Palin's hot and therefore gets as much coverage as Tiger Woods' wife.

451 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:43:53pm

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

I am thinking about moving to the Nashville area and been looking at houses in the area. Here is one house that looks like a steal...5200 sq ft, 5 br, 3 bath, and 5 acres of land. Beautiful house. Them I looked closer at the pictures.

What do you suppose happened to this house?

Looks like a trash-out. The house got reposed and the owners took their anger against the bank out on the house.

I've lived in Nashville all my life btw. Lemme know if you have any questions.

452 Mocking Jay  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:43:55pm

re: #434 Conservative Moonbat

I had an open mind about McCain until the Palin pick and I'm a Democrat.

For all the talk about how the Reps. lost in 2008 because McCain was too "moderate." I think when all the truth is told it's going to turn out that he was the most electable candidate the Republicans had run since Reagan and they really screwed the pooch with the Palin pick.

I dunno. I suspect Romney might have had a better shot in the general than McCain. He wouldn't have had to roll the dice with Palin.

453 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:44:04pm

re: #449 NJDhockeyfan

It's probably bank owned. Looks like a good bargain.

454 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:44:05pm

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

That film is designed solely to appeal to people's emotions. To lead off with it at conference that is supposed to be about science is disingenuous at best.

Yes, it was bizarre. I watched the opening few hours live. There was also a children's choir who sung in an ecclesiastical style. Then one country after another took a turn asking for money, lots of it.

455 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:44:16pm

re: #444 NJDhockeyfan


Could you please convince my parents to leave this miserable hell?

456 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:44:32pm

re: #438 Floral Giraffe

OT, if there are any Surfing Lizard fans, Waimea Bay is projected to hit 50 feet plus, tomorrow. Big contest is ON!

Can we send Obama to watch the contest? (The benefit of sending him to Hawaii is that while he's enjoying the fun and sun he can't push for more taxes and less freedom.)

457 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:44:42pm

re: #413 OneMonkeysUncle

You put that better than I did. Bravo!

458 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:45:04pm

re: #446 cliffster

Well, I always hurt when the surf went 10-12. So, yes, 50 feet is HUGE.
When we went over 20, you could feel the ground shake when each wave hit, and hear it for miles. And that's So. Cal.

459 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:46:13pm

re: #447 Gus 802

Best Environmental Ad of the Year

IFAW Germany "Amazing Jumbo Elephant Landing" - PSA 2009


Looks like Dumbo is all grown up! :D

460 Gus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:46:55pm

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

Looks like Dumbo is all grown up! :D

He sure has! I like the sound of the flapping ears.

461 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:48:11pm

re: #454 Bagua

Yes, it was bizarre. I watched the opening few hours live. There was also a children's choir who sung in an ecclesiastical style. Then one country after another took a turn asking for money, lots of it.

Sounds like Obama's kind of conference. All we need to make it perfect for him is to have Jeremiah Wright give a sermon to set things up for the choir.

462 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:48:11pm

re: #438 Floral Giraffe

OT, if there are any Surfing Lizard fans, Waimea Bay is projected to hit 50 feet plus, tomorrow. Big contest is ON!

I hope I can find videos or live streaming of the Aikau Invitational. It doesn't happen very often and this is being called a "40 year storm". I also hope no one gets killed out there this time.

463 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:48:19pm

re: #451 Conservative Moonbat

Looks like a trash-out. The house got reposed and the owners took their anger against the bank out on the house.

I've lived in Nashville all my life btw. Lemme know if you have any questions.

Thank you. I have family in the Hendersonville area. I used to live there back in the early seventy's. Great place to live as a kid. The swimmin' hole was great. To get there you had to cross the train tracks, step over a creek, walk through two cow pastures with two electric fences, and then you were there.

Now it's a park. (sigh)

464 solomonpanting  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:49:05pm

Ralph and Edna were both patients in a mental hospital. One day while they were walking past the hospital swimming pool , Ralph suddenly jumped into the deep end.
He sank to the bottom of the pool and stayed there.
Edna promptly jumped in to save him. She swam to the bottom and
pulled him out. When the Head Nurse Director became aware of Edna's heroic act she immediately ordered her to be
discharged from the hospital, as she now considered her to be mentally
stable.
When she went to tell Edna the news she said, 'Edna, I have good news and bad news. The good news is you're being
discharged, since you were able to rationally respond to a crisis by jumping in and saving the life of the person you love... I have concluded that
your act displays sound mindedness.
The bad news is, Ralph hung himself in the bathroom with his bathrobe belt right after you saved him. I am so sorry, but he's dead.'
Edna replied, 'He didn't hang himself, I put him there to dry..
How soon can I go home?'

465 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:49:29pm

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan

If you've got kids, Davidson Co. schools are a lot better. Also look at Rutherford Co. / Murfreesoboro.

466 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:50:10pm

re: #448 The Shadow Do

Sounds like a plan!

467 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:50:37pm

re: #455 TheMatrix31

Could you please convince my parents to leave this miserable hell?

Show them real estate prices. Worked for my wife.

468 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:51:37pm

re: #454 Bagua

Are you sure it wasn't a Jerry Lewis telethon? /

But seriously, why are the pitches so heavy-handed?

469 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:52:21pm

re: #461 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like Obama's kind of conference. All we need to make it perfect for him is to have Jeremiah Wright give a sermon to set things up for the choir.

My personal view is that this is very bad for science. Once it becomes a made for TV hybrid between the Telethon for some cause and an awards dinner for bureaucrats the public will become more alienated from the agenda, not less.

470 palomino  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:52:49pm

re: #197 albusteve

why do you think anybody cares?...your ego feeding posts are laughable

And what part of your psyche do your posts feed? I don't sense that you post out of altruism.

471 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:53:18pm

re: #469 Bagua

My personal view is that this is very bad for science. Once it becomes a made for TV hybrid between the Telethon for some cause and an awards dinner for bureaucrats the public will become more alienated from the agenda, not less.

Quite Concur.

472 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:54:20pm

re: #468 badger1970

Are you sure it wasn't a Jerry Lewis telethon? /

But seriously, why are the pitches so heavy-handed?

It's funny I was writing my comparison to the telethon as you wrote the same.

You see, not just my imagined bias, rather an honest perception.

473 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:54:33pm

re: #464 solomonpanting

That's not humor. That's disgusting. Mental illness is a serious issue and that is simply not appropriate.

474 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:55:40pm

re: #467 NJDhockeyfan

I've tried so often but to no avail. They simply do not want to move away from my Grandma, my uncle, and his wife.

475 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:56:19pm

re: #465 Conservative Moonbat

If you've got kids, Davidson Co. schools are a lot better. Also look at Rutherford Co. / Murfreesoboro.

Great! I'll keep that in mind when we start look seriously at houses. I still have a few things to do to this house before I sell it.

476 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:57:53pm

re: #472 Bagua

Great minds think alike ;). Though I would prefer the telethon from "UHF".

477 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:58:04pm

re: #462 ArchangelMichael

I hope I can find videos or live streaming of the Aikau Invitational. It doesn't happen very often and this is being called a "40 year storm". I also hope no one gets killed out there this time.

Surfline dot com...

478 palomino  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:58:27pm

re: #461 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like Obama's kind of conference. All we need to make it perfect for him is to have Jeremiah Wright give a sermon to set things up for the choir.

Jeremiah Wright? Isn't the 2008 election over YET?

We already litigated this "issue". Most Americans don't give a flying fuck.

479 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:59:00pm

re: #475 NJDhockeyfan

I've looked at Texas, Pittsburgh, NC...all gorgeous, awesome, cheap places to live with populations I can relate to a lot better than the jerkwads here.

480 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:59:10pm

Earlier we were talking about Heroes of the Left. Others might not concur but I believe she qualifies:

[Link:huffingtonpost.com... ]

481 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:59:28pm

re: #478 palomino

Not sure they were given the proper scope of the connection, but whatever.

482 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 8:59:58pm

re: #478 palomino

Jeremiah Wright? Isn't the 2008 election over YET?

We already litigated this "issue". Most Americans don't give a flying fuck.


Nothing works like repeating a dead hackneyed political meme way past its expiration date! Like tounging a loose tooth, It must become sort of addicting.

483 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:00:08pm

re: #477 Floral Giraffe

I miss "Bodhi".

484 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:00:08pm

re: #479 TheMatrix31

I've looked at Texas, Pittsburgh, NC...all gorgeous, awesome, cheap places to live with populations I can relate to a lot better than the jerkwads here.

How long do you have before you can move out?

485 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:00:34pm

re: #482 WindUpBird

Sorry. Fuck the hell out of anyone that says "God Damn America", for ANY reason.

486 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:00:43pm

re: #478 palomino

Jeremiah Wright? Isn't the 2008 election over YET?

We already litigated this "issue". Most Americans don't give a flying fuck.

It was an unsuccessful attempt at humor on my part, with a minor potshot thrown in.

487 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:01:20pm

re: #484 NJDhockeyfan

If all goes well, I graduate in Spring.

However, I'd need a job and money to move out, right? Thanks, Barack.

488 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:01:22pm

re: #462 ArchangelMichael

Damn... pwned by work and my usual not knowing what day it is all day feeling. It happened today, and it looks like it was big, but not that big, and not very good conditions.

489 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:01:30pm

re: #277 reine.de.tout

Oh, argh!
Don't remind us about the volcano research.
If I recall, that was an utterly embarrassing Bobby Jindal moment.
Ugh.

Yes. Jindal was the volcano guy.

I guess he decided that research and monitoring was OK if the natural disasters were things that affected his state.

490 cliffster  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:01:34pm

re: #482 WindUpBird

Nothing works like repeating a dead hackneyed political meme way past its expiration date! Like tounging a loose tooth, It must become sort of addicting.

You mean like how people keep talking about Bush and well Bush did it so why isn't it ok and it's all Bush's fault and Bush and Bush and Last Eight Years Of Bush...

491 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:02:13pm

re: #485 TheMatrix31

Sorry. Fuck the hell out of anyone that says "God Damn America", for ANY reason.

I don't understand how ANYONE could listen to that shit for 20 years.

492 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:02:20pm

re: #477 Floral Giraffe

Surfline dot com...

Don't you need a paid account there for videos? As far as I can tell they ran the contest today anyway.

493 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:02:24pm

re: #485 TheMatrix31

Sorry. Fuck the hell out of anyone that says "God Damn America", for ANY reason.

You go and puff that chest up! Looks good on you. And keep on chewing the flavorless gum that is Jeremiah Wright(tm), while ignoring the Republican connections to Pat Robertson, the Moonies, and The Family.

494 cliffster  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:02:44pm

re: #491 NJDhockeyfan

I don't understand how ANYONE could listen to that shit for 20 years.

I do.

495 laZardo  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:02:48pm

re: #490 cliffster

There's a difference. Technically Bush actually did something to mess this country up, whereas the Obama-related memes are obsolete and have little basis.

496 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:03:00pm

re: #490 cliffster

Bush bush bush bush bush bush bush.

/how's THAT for something being WAY past its expiration date?!

497 cliffster  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:03:28pm

re: #495 laZardo

There's a difference. Technically Bush actually did something to mess this country up, whereas the Obama-related memes are obsolete and have little basis.

Really? What's that?

498 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:03:34pm

re: #483 badger1970

I'm not familiar with "Bodhi".
Where should I look?

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:04:00pm

re: #284 TheMatrix31

I'm sure John McCain appreciates your respect for his resiliency. Way to go and assume that he'd just croak in office.

How awful.

It's always a possibility. With McCain, it was a somewhat heightened possibility. The man is no spring chicken, and has not lived a life that was easy on his body.

500 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:04:11pm

re: #493 WindUpBird

You go and puff that chest up! Looks good on you. And keep on chewing the flavorless gum that is Jeremiah Wright(tm), while ignoring the Republican connections to Pat Robertson, the Moonies, and The Family.

Uh, who said I've ignored those? Why assume that I support them or intentionally ignore them just because I hate Jeremiah Wright, who is a racist piece of garbage that mentored my President?

501 badger1970  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:04:28pm

re: #498 Floral Giraffe

Point Break, Swayze's character.

502 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:04:30pm

re: #487 TheMatrix31

If all goes well, I graduate in Spring.

However, I'd need a job and money to move out, right? Thanks, Barack.

My uncle said that unemployment wasn't as bad in Nashville as most of the country is. I was amazed at all the new home construction I saw over the Thanksgiving weekend when I was there.

503 laZardo  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:04:37pm

re: #497 cliffster

The Iraq War, the botched Katrina recovery (a fuck-up the Democratic officials there also share some blame for), failing to stop the then-impending economic crisis...

504 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:04:42pm

re: #496 TheMatrix31

Bush bush bush bush bush bush bush.

/how's THAT for something being WAY past its expiration date?!

Who said anything about Bush? Republican connections to bigots and psychos and snake-handlers and armchair secessionists, right here, right now. As fresh as the produce in a farmer's market!

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:05:01pm

re: #287 Cato the Elder

As opposed to being rewarded here on earth? Phooey.

Well, all teachers know that rewards here on earth are dicey.

She was being nice. Gimme a break. One time she says something I like, I'm allowed.

506 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:05:22pm

re: #497 cliffster

He like, made people hate us bro. And he like, spent way too much money man. And he lied, and that got people killed dude. And he made people hate us everywhere, broseph.

Get with the program, braddaman!

/

507 Racer X  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:05:55pm

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

It's always a possibility. With McCain, it was a somewhat heightened possibility. The man is no spring chicken, and has not lived a life that was easy on his body.

*cough*
Non-smoker.
*cough*

508 laZardo  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:06:10pm

re: #506 TheMatrix31

He like, made people hate us bro.

Dude, you got tazed too?

509 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:06:32pm

re: #504 WindUpBird

You mentioned tired, old memes past their expiration date.

510 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:06:34pm

re: #308 Cineaste

What the heck are people approving of with Palin? Her writing a book and her quitting her job?

At least Obama has a job that people can judge him on. Talk about cutting and running...

No, they just think she's special and good. What she does is less important to them than who she is.

511 palomino  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:06:41pm

re: #485 TheMatrix31

Sorry. Fuck the hell out of anyone that says "God Damn America", for ANY reason.

I totally agree, but hanging that around Obama's neck is a total dead ender. And there's really nothing about Obama himself that suggests he agrees with Wright's incendiary rhetoric.

512 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:06:44pm

re: #506 TheMatrix31

braddaman? Hunh? Not a term we're familiar with up north.

513 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:07:00pm

re: #508 laZardo

Yeah man! I was tased by the bad people brooo!

514 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:07:01pm

re: #500 TheMatrix31

Uh, who said I've ignored those? Why assume that I support them or intentionally ignore them just because I hate Jeremiah Wright, who is a racist piece of garbage that mentored my President?

You just seem so very very concerned with Rev. Wright, it's as if you just can't believe that he didn't cost Obama the election.

Keep on being concerned! Don't let me stop you. In fact, I dearly hope the Republicans run on it in 2012.

515 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:07:15pm

Nonsense, the good Reverend of chicken roosting fame has entered the public consciousness. He is certainly a fair target for future parodies as an example of an enthusiastic preacher.

516 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:07:49pm

re: #512 McSpiff

Its "brother-man", pronounced in a certain way that would be spelled like that if it were spelled out.

517 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:08:22pm

re: #514 WindUpBird

They won't. They didn't run on it in 2008, because McCain wanted to run an "honorable campaign".

518 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:08:30pm

re: #516 TheMatrix31

Its "brother-man", pronounced in a certain way that would be spelled like that if it were spelled out.

Ah, must be an accent I'm not familiar with. Tried sounding it out a bunch of different ways before posting

519 cliffster  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:08:37pm

re: #503 laZardo

The Iraq War, the botched Katrina recovery (a fuck-up the Democratic officials there also share some blame for), failing to stop the then-impending economic crisis...

The Iraq War that we are winning? (at least, we were a year ago) The Katrina recovery that, unlike every other hurricane which is handled by the governors of the states, should have been managed by the President? Economic crisis whose solution was stopped by Democrat filibuster? Trust me, I'm no Bush fan, but the talking points are old. And the beginning of the discussion was about the Wright meme getting old.

520 SteveC  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:09:16pm

I think Sarah is having her own personal 1202 Program Alarm*.

*1202 Program Alarm: Warning that the Apollo 11 LM computer had become overloaded and reset itself.

521 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:09:20pm

re: #509 TheMatrix31

You mentioned tired, old memes past their expiration date.

LGF posts exposing the bigots and creationists wielding influence right here and now in the Republican party are the reason I registered here.

Just in case you're wondering. :)


/as tired and old as...today

522 TheMatrix31  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:09:48pm

re: #502 NJDhockeyfan

Anything's better than California, or any liberally-run state.

523 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:10:18pm

re: #517 TheMatrix31

They won't. They didn't run on it in 2008, because McCain wanted to run an "honorable campaign".

He knew beating on Wright was a no-win. It was a good political strategy not to make Wright the cornerstone of an Obama attack.

524 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:10:35pm

re: #522 TheMatrix31

Anything's better than California, or any liberally-run state.

ahahahahahahahaah you so funny

525 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:10:50pm

re: #521 WindUpBird

LGF posts exposing the bigots and creationists wielding influence right here and now in the Republican party are the reason I registered here.

Just in case you're wondering. :)

/as tired and old as...today

Wont you be surprised when the spotlight turns up on the Moonbats.

526 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:10:58pm

That's enough. TheMatrix31 is getting a timeout, and it might turn into a permanent ban.

527 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:12:09pm

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

I am thinking about moving to the Nashville area and been looking at houses in the area. Here is one house that looks like a steal...5200 sq ft, 5 br, 3 bath, and 5 acres of land. Beautiful house. Them I looked closer at the pictures.

What do you suppose happened to this house?

That is a steal, if there isn't much damage to the plumbing and electric.

528 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:13:15pm

re: #527 SanFranciscoZionist

That is a steal, if there isn't much damage to the plumbing and electric.

I think I'll have my uncle take a look at it.

529 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:13:52pm

re: #450 palomino

If Palin looked like Greta van Susterrren or Madeline Albright, how much attention would the MSM be paying her birthing denialist fundamentalist ass? But Palin's hot and therefore gets as much coverage as Tiger Woods' wife.

I don't know. Ann Coulter is homely, and she gets attention.

530 bratwurst  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:14:16pm

re: #395 cliffster

If you don't like someone, call them a fascist. That'll show 'em.

Helped Glenn Beck become a very rich man!

531 Racer X  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:14:23pm
532 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:14:34pm

re: #455 TheMatrix31

Could you please convince my parents to leave this miserable hell?

How long until you get to move out?

533 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:14:56pm

re: #532 SanFranciscoZionist

He's in a timeout SFZ, might not be replying for a bit.

534 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:15:18pm

It's WAY past time to drop the Rev. Wright nonsense.

535 SteveC  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:15:27pm

re: #522 TheMatrix31

Anything's better than California, or any liberally-run state.

Begged and pleaded with a friend to not go to grad school in Cali, because there was a damn good chance that she'd lose her grants through no fault of her own.

Thankfully she got a better deal from another school, and doesn't have to partake of that shit sandwich.

536 laZardo  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:15:36pm

re: #519 cliffster

The Iraq War that we are winning? (at least, we were a year ago) The Katrina recovery that, unlike every other hurricane which is handled by the governors of the states, should have been managed by the President? Economic crisis whose solution was stopped by Democrat filibuster? Trust me, I'm no Bush fan, but the talking points are old. And the beginning of the discussion was about the Wright meme getting old.

The Iraq War that we shouldn't have entered in the first place and helped shoot the deficit through the roof along with leaving an entire country practically ethnically cleansed. The Katrina recovery that was pretty much managed by the President through FEMA. The economic crisis with roots dating back to Reagan and Carter.

Yes, these talking points are old, but unlike some crazy nutbag preacher at least they have a basis that affects the whole country. And without looking at how these problems developed then we won't be able to find a proper solution to solve their effects now and prevent them in the future.

537 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:15:41pm

re: #461 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like Obama's kind of conference. All we need to make it perfect for him is to have Jeremiah Wright give a sermon to set things up for the choir.

I think they can do better for a shindig like this.

I'd get Desmond Tutu.

538 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:17:49pm

re: #501 badger1970

Oh, a movie. Thanks.
This is real, and HUGE, life taking surf.
Wild rides, for the brave!

539 palomino  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:17:59pm

re: #529 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know. Ann Coulter is homely, and she gets attention.

In bizarro right wing land, Coulter IS hot. She's got long blonde hair and wears little black cocktail dresses.

Palin's got the media in a tizzy because she is a new type of political animal: spokesmodel as candidate.

540 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:18:18pm

re: #532 SanFranciscoZionist

How long until you get to move out?

He said he graduates in the spring. I wish him well.

541 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:18:26pm

re: #507 Racer X

*cough*
Non-smoker.
*cough*

Good for him, but it doesn't change much about what I said. Except that it probably won't be emphysema that carries him off.

542 cliffster  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:19:37pm

re: #536 laZardo

Like I said, I have many beefs with Bush, and I'll be happy to talk about them some time when it's not sparked by "Why Republicans Suck". However, these are all Democrat talking points, and poor ones at that.

543 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:20:10pm

re: #528 NJDhockeyfan

I think I'll have my uncle take a look at it.

If the damage is just surface, some money to a good glazier and painter will tkae care of it.

544 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:20:51pm

re: #539 palomino

In bizarro right wing land, Coulter IS hot. She's got long blonde hair and wears little black cocktail dresses.

Palin's got the media in a tizzy because she is a new type of political animal: spokesmodel as candidate.

I think Palin is much hotter than Coulter. But in an MTV Celebrity Deathmatch I would give Ann Coulter the edge.

545 laZardo  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:21:10pm

re: #542 cliffster

For another time then. And perhaps I might have been exaggerating in some parts, though I will still say that some of these problems have roots dating back for many previous administrations.

546 SpaceJesus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:21:50pm

re: #539 palomino

In bizarro right wing land, Coulter IS hot. She's got long blonde hair and wears little black cocktail dresses.


wanna barf all over this post

547 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:22:17pm

re: #534 Charles

It's WAY past time to drop the Rev. Wright nonsense.

Ah, people want to chew on Wright, I can live with it.

548 laZardo  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:22:20pm

re: #544 NJDhockeyfan

I miss that show. The new seasons weren't as good as the originals.

/also, wasn't Ann Coulter supposed to be a man?

549 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:22:30pm

re: #543 SanFranciscoZionist

If the damage is just surface, some money to a good glazier and painter will tkae care of it.

I'm thinking my uncle would help me fix it up. He's retired and bored. I bet he would probably fix the house while I was packing up here. He does things like that.

550 Racer X  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:22:58pm

re: #544 NJDhockeyfan

I think Palin is much hotter than Coulter. But in an MTV Celebrity Deathmatch I would give Ann Coulter the edge.

Hello. The woman kills her own food.

551 palomino  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:23:18pm

re: #544 NJDhockeyfan

I think Palin is much hotter than Coulter. But in an MTV Celebrity Deathmatch I would give Ann Coulter the edge.

I don't know about that. Coulter is an Ivy League educated city girl. Palin can kill and field dress a moose while giving birth.

552 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:23:44pm

re: #539 palomino

In bizarro right wing land, Coulter IS hot. She's got long blonde hair and wears little black cocktail dresses.

Palin's got the media in a tizzy because she is a new type of political animal: spokesmodel as candidate.

I hate her politics, but I like her clothes.

553 cliffster  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:24:14pm

Fatigue sets in. Peace all.

554 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:24:25pm

re: #544 NJDhockeyfan

I think Palin is much hotter than Coulter. But in an MTV Celebrity Deathmatch I would give Ann Coulter the edge.

I don't know man, Palin can shoot a moose from an ultra-light and Coulter would probably fall off her heels.

555 laZardo  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:24:38pm

re: #550 Racer X

By HALO jumping from a helicopter with ninja blades in her hands (and one clenched between her teeth).

556 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:25:38pm

Actually Palin was a ceiling crawling ninja on South Park when her, Obama and McCain stole the hope diamond.

557 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:25:42pm

re: #548 laZardo

I miss that show. The new seasons weren't as good as the originals.

/also, wasn't Ann Coulter supposed to be a man?

Ann needs to gain ten pounds, dye her hair a slightly darker shade, cut it slightly shorter--nice layers, and wear skirts appropriate to her age.

That is my style advice. My political advice would be profane.

558 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:25:54pm

re: #553 cliffster

Peace man.

559 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:26:10pm

re: #549 NJDhockeyfan

I'm thinking my uncle would help me fix it up. He's retired and bored. I bet he would probably fix the house while I was packing up here. He does things like that.

I'd go for it, if an inspection doesn't turn up bad damage.

560 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:26:25pm

re: #544 NJDhockeyfan

I think Palin is much hotter than Coulter. But in an MTV Celebrity Deathmatch I would give Ann Coulter the edge.

Cage Match? Pay per View?
I'm in!

562 palomino  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:27:48pm

re: #552 SanFranciscoZionist

I hate her politics, but I like her clothes.

She is definitely the best dressed politician in Wasilla.

563 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:29:13pm

re: #562 palomino

She is definitely the best dressed politician in Wasilla.

I have to confess, though, I like the Claire McCaskill look, where you know everything was bought at the Kansas City Macy's

564 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:29:50pm

re: #548 laZardo

I miss that show. The new seasons weren't as good as the originals.

/also, wasn't Ann Coulter supposed to be a man?

This is my favorite one.

565 Racer X  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:30:28pm
566 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:30:29pm

Bagau's Music Break™


Get me Religion

567 SteveC  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:31:55pm

re: #555 laZardo

By HALO jumping from a helicopter with ninja blades in her hands (and one clenched between her teeth).

Sometimes Girlfriend is a 5 foot 7 inch everyday woman. She likes Tex-Mex for dinner, roses, and wishes Battlestar Galactica was still in production. She also wears a mask and saves lives.

Sarah ain't got nuttin' on her!

568 palomino  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:32:38pm

re: #563 SanFranciscoZionist

I have to confess, though, I like the Claire McCaskill look, where you know everything was bought at the Kansas City Macy's

But McCaskill isn't her party's sex symbol, so KC Macy's does the trick perfectly. Actually McCaskill rocks.

Wonder where Rep. Virginia Foxx shops.

569 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:32:59pm

re: #566 Bagua

Yikes!

Bagau's Bagua's Music Break™


/brand own goal

570 laZardo  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:34:17pm

re: #564 NJDhockeyfan

Mills Lane FTW.

571 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:36:15pm

re: #526 Charles

Thanks Charles. That was serious dog whistle stuff.

572 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:36:19pm

re: #568 palomino

But McCaskill isn't her party's sex symbol, so KC Macy's does the trick perfectly. Actually McCaskill rocks.

Wonder where Rep. Virginia Foxx shops.

I enjoyed McCaskill's kids at the DNC. I missed who they were at first, so suddenly there was the little mob of young blond people being referred to as 'the Espinozas'. I'm thinking, what, are they inspirational, do they sing? Finally worked out who they were from a reference to Grandma McCaskill.

573 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:37:19pm

re: #571 Irenicum

Thanks Charles. That was serious dog whistle stuff.

For the record, I knew exactly what the accent was... I was just interested to see what he'd say

574 bosforus  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:39:12pm

re: #565 Racer X

Oh crap.

I need to go shopping.

Upding for the 1996 vibe!

575 Racer X  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:40:10pm

A woman and a baby were in the doctor's examining room, waiting for the doctor to come in for the baby's first exam.

The doctor arrived, and examined the baby, checked his weight, and being a little concerned, asked if the baby was breast-fed or bottle-fed..

'Breast-fed,' she replied. 'Well, strip down to your waist,' the doctor ordered. She did.

He pinched her nipples, pressed, kneaded, and rubbed both breasts for a while in a very professional and detailed examination.

Motioning to her to get dressed, the doctor said, 'No wonder this baby is underweight. You don't have any milk.' I know,' she said, 'I'm his Grandma, but I'm glad I came.

576 laZardo  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:40:31pm

re: #565 Racer X

Needs a midi file. :D

577 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:40:42pm

re: #534 Charles

It's WAY past time to drop the Rev. Wright nonsense.

Sorry, Charles. I made a lame joke, and it snowballed from there. I was trying to be witty, but it didn't work.

578 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:40:43pm

re: #565 Racer X

Oh crap.

I need to go shopping.

Soonest started, soonest ended...
Good luck!

579 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:41:29pm

re: #573 McSpiff

Yeah. It smelled from the start. That kind of lingo just stinks up to high heaven. I don't need to know what lies behind it. I've seen it too much up close and personal. Good riddance to that kind of crap.

580 palomino  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:42:11pm

re: #572 SanFranciscoZionist

Funny thing about this is that the Dems are much more diverse in terms of gender, but the GOP will continue to say that they are sexist for their treatment of Palin.

581 SteveC  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:43:17pm

The Eagles!

582 McSpiff  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:44:00pm

re: #579 Irenicum

Amen

583 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:46:44pm

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

I am thinking about moving to the Nashville area and been looking at houses in the area. Here is one house that looks like a steal...5200 sq ft, 5 br, 3 bath, and 5 acres of land. Beautiful house. Them I looked closer at the pictures.

What do you suppose happened to this house?

Epic fail on the realtor's part! Who photographs a house for sale and doesn't clean up the mess?

584 Racer X  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:50:47pm

Women often receive warnings about protecting themselves at the mall and in dark parking lots, etc. This is the first warning I have seen for men. I wanted to pass it on in case you haven't heard about it.

This will only become more commonplace as Christmas approaches. A 'heads up' for those men who may be regular Lowe's, Home Depot, or Costco customers. This one caught me by surprise. Over the last month I became a victim of a clever scam while out shopping. Don't be naive enough to think it couldn't happen to you or your friends.

Here's how the scam works:

Two seriously good-looking 20-something girls come over to your car as you are packing your shopping into the trunk. They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex, with their breasts almost falling out of their skimpy T-shirts. It is impossible not to look. When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say 'No' and instead ask you for a ride to a 'friends house' across town.

You agree and they get into the back seat. On the way, they start undressing and making out with each other. Then one of them climbs over into the front seat and starts crawling all over you, while the other one steals your wallet.

I had my wallet stolen October 4th, 9th, 10th, and twice on the 15th, again on the 20th, 24th, & 29th. Also November 1st & 4th, three times last Monday, and very likely again this upcoming weekend.

So tell your friends to be careful. What a horrible way to take
advantage of older men. Warn your friends to be vigilant.
Wal-Mart has wallets on sale for $2.99 each. I found cheaper ones for $1.99 at K- Mart.

585 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:52:10pm

re: #580 palomino

I know this may seem strange, considering my own leanings. But I do think some of the initial opposition to Palin was sexist. The jabs at her for her good looks were nothing but sexist. But when she decided to actually open her mouth and start pontificating, she ended up sinking her own boat. The rest, as we say, is history. So I think the GOP uses, inappropriately mind you, the smattering of actual sexist opposition to her, to obfuscate her glaring ignorance on issue after issue. It's a convenient ploy to divert from the total lack of substance the party (including her) is offering right now.

586 pharmmajor  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:53:02pm

Again, Charles, I just want to say that we could use a rational, intelligent person like yourself in the Libertarian party. There, the nutjobs are the fringe, not the mouthpieces and media whores.

587 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:53:42pm

re: #584 Racer X

You're a bad, bad man!

588 Locker  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:54:10pm

re: #586 pharmmajor

Again, Charles, I just want to say that we could use a rational, intelligent person like yourself in the Libertarian party. There, the nutjobs are the fringe, not the mouthpieces and media whores.

Don't do it man... they send HELLA junk mail.

589 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:56:39pm

Isn't RP Libertarian?

590 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:57:01pm

re: #588 Locker

I used to get a lot from them. But it's been enough years that I don't anymore. I think they got it when I didn't give them any money.

591 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 9:59:53pm

re: #589 Bagua

There's libertarian in spirit and then there's Libertarian in party. I'm libertarian in spirit on certain issues. The Libertarian Party, on the other hand, has been co-opted by whack jobs. Not my cup of "tea" anymore.

592 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:00:10pm

And why should people join a political party?

One just ends up wearing funny hats and passionately supporting people that later turn out to be weirdos or crooks.

593 Racer X  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:00:27pm
594 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:01:43pm

re: #589 Bagua

Isn't RP Libertarian?

Yes. I used to be an all but card carrying member of the LP in the late 90s, and anyone who claims the kooks are just on the fringe is kidding themselves. No one I know who uses that label to describe themselves and is actually rational is in any way connected to the official LP, or wants to be.

595 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:03:03pm

re: #592 Bagua

I'm not into the weirdos or crooks, but I do like wearing funny hats! Life is too short to not be foolish once in a while.

596 Mark Pennington  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:03:27pm

I'm still shocked by incredible stupidity and/or what may be intentional misstatement of facts. An example is the Death Panel nonsense. I can't imagine a situation in which I was so misinformed about a subject I am speaking about, or so without a moral compass that I would disseminate deliberate misinformation.

597 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:04:01pm

re: #594 ArchangelMichael

Exactly. The party has gone fringe big time.

598 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:04:29pm

re: #591 Irenicum

There's libertarian in spirit and then there's Libertarian in party. I'm libertarian in spirit on certain issues. The Libertarian Party, on the other hand, has been co-opted by whack jobs. Not my cup of "tea" anymore.



If Cato were here he might scold you about using the capital L...

woops, I see that you did do that right, but I thought it would be funny to post as I already typed it.

Therefore I am correcting my correction correctly now.

599 Racer X  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:06:41pm
600 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:08:22pm

re: #598 Bagua

All is forgiven. I too have realized in mid type that what I was typing was not germane to the issue at hand. And by the way, I did change the capitalization after having started typing. It's nice having company in the same boat!

601 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:09:39pm

re: #599 Racer X

Burt Rhutan is one of my heroes! Thanks for the link!

602 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:10:28pm

re: #593 Racer X

Harry Reid Likens Passing Government-Run Health Care To Ending Slavery


[Video]What a scumbag.

In that, Reid is acting like abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison: Whatever point he may have gets obscured by the fact that he's being an asshole. The analogy only works so far: Garrison was actually right on slavery, whereas Harry Reid is wrong on health care.

603 sattv4u2  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:10:49pm

re: #586 pharmmajor

Again, Charles, I just want to say that we could use a rational, intelligent person like yourself in the Libertarian party. There, the nutjobs are the fringe, not the mouthpieces and media whores.

You can't be serious!

Ron Paul
Bob Barr (after he went off his rocker as a repub congressman)

The Lib party hasn't had a serious "libertarian" since the days of Gene Burns in the early to mid 80's

604 Racer X  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:12:14pm

re: #601 Irenicum

Burt Rhutan is one of my heroes! Thanks for the link!

You're welcome!

I can't wait for the next chapter in space exploration - private enterprise. Something really needs to be done about all the space debris though.

605 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:12:50pm

re: #595 Irenicum

I'm not into the weirdos or crooks, but I do like wearing funny hats! Life is too short to not be foolish once in a while.

Once in a while? My coding reads 'often'.

Send in the clowns!

The Truth We Speak - Dirty Circus

606 Racer X  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:13:33pm

re: #602 Dark_Falcon

In that, Reid is acting like abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison: Whatever point he may have gets obscured by the fact that he's being an asshole. The analogy only works so far: Garrison was actually right on slavery, whereas Harry Reid is wrong on health care.

It just bothers me when idiots like Reid equate opposition to one thing to something as horrific as slavery.

607 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:24:15pm

G'nite kids. And remember to consider the weakest among us, whether mentally, emotionally or physically. Making fun at them pisses me off. As I said earlier, it's not humor, it's disgusting, and betrays a base attitude that is not healthy to our well being as a species.

608 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:25:03pm

re: #607 Irenicum

at should be of

609 solomonpanting  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:26:10pm

re: #438 Floral Giraffe

re: #492 ArchangelMichael

OC surfer wins Hawaii big wave contest

610 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:26:23pm

re: #608 Irenicum

It worked both ways. Goodnight.

611 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:27:49pm

re: #603 sattv4u2

You can't be serious!

Ron Paul
Bob Barr (after he went off his rocker as a repub congressman)

The Lib party hasn't had a serious "libertarian" since the days of Gene Burns in the early to mid 80's

Back when I used to work at Cafepress (don't anymore), for my nephew's birthday I told him he could have any t-shirt he wanted...he chose "Bob Barr for President" (the little wingnut is such a card). I bought it for him, primarily because whoever created it put a huge typo on the back (can't remember what it was exactly, but I liked the thought of my nephew walking around in a t-shirt that made his Sean Hannity watching ass look like an idiot. Then again, I also put a Kucinich 2004 sign on his parent's lawn, which didn't win me any favors with my family.

612 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:27:52pm

re: #606 Racer X

It just bothers me when idiots like Reid equate opposition to one thing to something as horrific as slavery.

It bothers me too. Reid thinks he can use words like that get his bill passed, but in fact he's just pushing his goal farther away. And he misstates the case yet again: Everyone in the Senate wants health care reform, but they want reforms they feel will work and Republicans feel that Harry Reid's proposals won't work, except to increase government control.

613 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:28:24pm

re: #606 Racer X

It just bothers me when idiots like Reid equate opposition to one thing to something as horrific as slavery.

It's a little demeaning to people being held in slavery right now to be compared to an American lacking health insurance.

614 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:29:35pm

re: #613 Sharmuta

Well put!

615 Bagua  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:29:59pm

re: #613 Sharmuta

Good point.

616 avanti  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:32:27pm

posted this to the wrong thread:

The posters at Hot Air are going over the top in a health care thread. Talk of states refusing federal money and succession were just the start. Shoot outs with the capital police, and than this one.

"I couldn’t care less what the Obamunist’s view is, I intend to put the rope around his neck when Obamunist hangs and I DARE for him or his lackeys to send anyone after me. I guarantee our military will support me in this, why?, because I work with these good folk every day. "

617 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:37:53pm

re: #616 avanti

Not surprising. It's likely that some form of healthcare reform will pass. Glenn Beck (et al) have the wingnuts worked into such a frenzy that this is going to be a very dangerous time.

618 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:39:04pm

re: #616 avanti

posted this to the wrong thread:

The posters at Hot Air are going over the top in a health care thread. Talk of states refusing federal money and succession were just the start. Shoot outs with the capital police, and than this one.

"I couldn’t care less what the Obamunist’s view is, I intend to put the rope around his neck when Obamunist hangs and I DARE for him or his lackeys to send anyone after me. I guarantee our military will support me in this, why?, because I work with these good folk every day. "

i think that the Secret Service needs to have a nice long talk with that gent. And if he won't listen and persists with the threats, then he needs to go to prison. Making death threats is a crime, and his was both graphic and monstrous. If he is not banned for saying that, then Hot Air has become a web site of the militia movement.

619 darthstar  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:39:34pm

re: #616 avanti

posted this to the wrong thread:

The posters at Hot Air are going over the top in a health care thread. Talk of states refusing federal money and succession were just the start. Shoot outs with the capital police, and than this one.

"I couldn’t care less what the Obamunist’s view is, I intend to put the rope around his neck when Obamunist hangs and I DARE for him or his lackeys to send anyone after me. I guarantee our military will support me in this, why?, because I work with these good folk every day. "

People like that are idiots. What he doesn't understand, obviously, is that his IP address can, and will, be logged, and his ISP will give his real name over to the feds should they feel an investigation is necessary. Of course, most assholes like this are...okay, my wife just mooned me...gotta go.

Good night everyone.

620 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:41:13pm

re: #619 darthstar

Wow. What a sign off. I'll remember that! May your moons be happy!

621 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:42:26pm

Really. Seriously. I mean it. G'nite.

622 avanti  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:42:27pm

re: #618 Dark_Falcon

i think that the Secret Service needs to have a nice long talk with that gent. And if he won't listen and persists with the threats, then he needs to go to prison. Making death threats is a crime, and his was both graphic and monstrous. If he is not banned for saying that, then Hot Air has become a web site of the militia movement.

Unless the military has changed greatly since I served, I don't think you'd get away with lynching the POTUS in their company. Seems sort of unpatriotic to me./

623 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:47:39pm

re: #622 avanti

Unless the military has changed greatly since I served, I don't think you'd get away with lynching the POTUS in their company. Seems sort of unpatriotic to me./

Me too. That comment was the words of someone who has let hate consume them. That's why I like hanging out here: Charles doesn't let haters like that make things miserable for everyone else.

624 avanti  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:51:59pm

re: #623 Dark_Falcon

Me too. That comment was the words of someone who has let hate consume them. That's why I like hanging out here: Charles doesn't let haters like that make things miserable for everyone else.

Before saying goodnight, one more quote from someone calling him on his BS, and his reply. (A real, hater apparently)

Post:
" First of all, you are clearly a blowhole, who would piss his pants at the first sign of a real revolution. Civil war is incredibly ugly, and those advocating it openly in anything but the most dire of circumstances are indeed fools."
---
Reply:

"You are a laughable little troll, sonny, I was shooting communists under Reagan when you were still crapping your pants, I’ve seen things that would make you faint.
Do you even KNOW anyone that is in the military?
Crawl back under your bridge and continue molesting goats, troll, it’s plain you know NOTHING about the military, our Founders OR the Constitution."

625 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:54:11pm

re: #624 avanti

Before saying goodnight, one more quote from someone calling him on his BS, and his reply. (A real, hater apparently)

Post:
" First of all, you are clearly a blowhole, who would piss his pants at the first sign of a real revolution. Civil war is incredibly ugly, and those advocating it openly in anything but the most dire of circumstances are indeed fools."
---
Reply:

"You are a laughable little troll, sonny, I was shooting communists under Reagan when you were still crapping your pants, I’ve seen things that would make you faint.
Do you even KNOW anyone that is in the military?
Crawl back under your bridge and continue molesting goats, troll, it’s plain you know NOTHING about the military, our Founders OR the Constitution."

So he get s called on his BS and he reacts with a Rambo fantasy. Nice. I do hope he gets that talk from the Secret Service, he badly needs it.

626 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:55:37pm

Ukulele Orchestra of GB - Life on Mars


Namaste, y'all
627 avanti  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:57:37pm

re: #625 Dark_Falcon

So he get s called on his BS and he reacts with a Rambo fantasy. Nice. I do hope he gets that talk from the Secret Service, he badly needs it.

Night Lizards, glad to be among the sane, loyal opposition.

628 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:58:33pm

re: #624 avanti

Before saying goodnight, one more quote from someone calling him on his BS, and his reply. (A real, hater apparently)

Post:
" First of all, you are clearly a blowhole, who would piss his pants at the first sign of a real revolution. Civil war is incredibly ugly, and those advocating it openly in anything but the most dire of circumstances are indeed fools."
---
Reply:

"You are a laughable little troll, sonny, I was shooting communists under Reagan when you were still crapping your pants, I’ve seen things that would make you faint.
Do you even KNOW anyone that is in the military?
Crawl back under your bridge and continue molesting goats, troll, it’s plain you know NOTHING about the military, our Founders OR the Constitution."

An easy diagnosis for Mr. Lynch: Gunshop commando, brief military service, no combat.

629 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 11:01:54pm

re: #628 Shiplord Kirel

To further clarify, "I was killing communists blah blah blah" just does not ring true to someone who has actually done it. Real combat isn't political and it seems more than a little far-fetched to connect the personal experience of battle with ideology.

630 pharmmajor  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 11:05:23pm
You can't be serious!

Ron Paul
Bob Barr (after he went off his rocker as a repub congressman)

The Lib party hasn't had a serious "libertarian" since the days of Gene Burns in the early to mid 80's

What about Wayne Allyn Root? Or Harry Browne? I'd say they were serious libertarians.

And yeah, Ron Paul is insane, but you get kooks in every group. Which is sad, because he does have some good ideas, but they're overpowered by the lunacy.

631 Mocking Jay  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 11:08:56pm

Snow here in the NY area. Wheee...

632 kittysaidwoof  Tue, Dec 8, 2009 11:41:38pm

I vaguely recall the fruit fly thingie , but as I recall it the issue was not that you shouldn't do fruit fly research, which is obviously a useful thing, but that you shouldn't approbriate funds in such a random way with earmarks for research conducted abroad and with such narrow group of beneficiaries. I understand that this particular research had nothing to do with autism, but with pests in olive groves and the earmark was designed in effect to subsidize the olive oil industry. I for sure would not like our parliament to expand a budget which is already in deficit with pet projects like this.

633 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 12:05:07am
634 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 3:24:41am

re: #619 darthstar

People like that are idiots. What he doesn't understand, obviously, is that his IP address can, and will, be logged, and his ISP will give his real name over to the feds should they feel an investigation is necessary. Of course, most assholes like this are...okay, my wife just mooned me...gotta go.

Good night everyone.

Hope she meant that in a good way.

635 shimoda  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 5:30:52am

re: #584 Racer X

You are a dirty old man! Can I join you? I have an old wallet.

636 spoosmith  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 6:37:29am

em>re: #493 WindUpBird

You go and puff that chest up! Looks good on you. And keep on chewing the flavorless gum that is Jeremiah Wright(tm), while ignoring the Republican connections to Pat Robertson, the Moonies, and The Family.

And Jerry Falwell, who blamed 9/11 on America (who also had REGULAR visits to the white house).

637 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 8:09:02am

It will be absolutely hilarious if Sarah Palin stands for election in 2012. And for extra fun let's have Joe the Plumber running for VP.

638 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 8:38:45am

re: #228 albusteve

and look what BOs brilliant campaigned has turned into...judging a favorable campaign as equal to running a country is naive at best

Since you updinged that, Sharmuta - I have to ask do you agree with albusteve's implication that Obama has made a mess of running the country?

639 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 8:41:49am

re: #638 Xxxmah

I did not upding that comment for the reasons you are imagining.

640 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 8:55:45am

re: #639 Sharmuta

I did not upding that comment for the reasons you are imagining.

What reasons then? Just wondering.

641 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 9:00:14am

re: #639 Sharmuta

And what's with the "Xxxmah"? I don't think it's wise of you to bring that into the discussion, since it refers to the time you deliberately used part of my real name on this site, at the same time that you also posted about iceweasel being my fiancee - before we made it public (which exposes your claim that you were not revealing private info as the falsehood it is).

Yeah, I think it would be better for you not to bring that whole thing up again, Sharmuta.

642 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 9:04:46am

re: #640

If you were "just wondering" you wouldn't have been so leading. I don't believe you are "innocently" wondering, nor do I feel like revealing my reasonings to you.

re: #641

Again- that was your own imaginings. You are not an honest opponent, and I have nothing more to say to you. Good day.

643 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 9:26:24am

re: #642 Sharmuta

re: #640

If you were "just wondering" you wouldn't have been so leading. I don't believe you are "innocently" wondering, nor do I feel like revealing my reasonings to you.

Leading? I asked you a question in a straightforward manner, giving you ample opportunity to give your reason. Interesting that you are unable to do so.

re: #641

Again- that was your own imaginings. You are not an honest opponent, and I have nothing more to say to you. Good day.

No, not my imaginings, and your talk of dishonesty is pure projection - these are checkable facts that are here in black and white :

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Like I said, it was unwise of you to bring this incident into the discussion by referring to me as 'Xxxmah'. I would hope that you have enough sense to refrain from doing so again.

644 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 9:28:54am

I'm not answering you because picking fights on dead threads is so typical of you. Distorting what people say or do is so typical of you. Carry on with someone else because I am done with you.

GAZE GAZE GAZE

645 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 9:44:44am

re: #644 Sharmuta

I'm not answering you because picking fights on dead threads is so typical of you. Distorting what people say or do is so typical of you. Carry on with someone else because I am done with you.

GAZE GAZE GAZE

I wasn't picking a fight - I was just looking for you to clarify why you updinged a comment by albusteve, which I thought was an odd thing for you to do since it sounded like it came right out of wingnut central. For some reason you were unable to give any reason, but instead gratuitously brought the "Xxxmah" incident into the discussion, and then, when called on the fact that all that incident shows is your own dishonesty, you accuse me of picking fights. Given this, it certainly would be a good idea for you to avoid engaging in conversation with me in future.

646 Deseeded  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 9:52:31am

re: #632 kittysaidwoof

I vaguely recall the fruit fly thingie , but as I recall it the issue was not that you shouldn't do fruit fly research, which is obviously a useful thing, but that you shouldn't approbriate funds in such a random way with earmarks for research conducted abroad and with such narrow group of beneficiaries. I understand that this particular research had nothing to do with autism, but with pests in olive groves and the earmark was designed in effect to subsidize the olive oil industry. I for sure would not like our parliament to expand a budget which is already in deficit with pet projects like this.

On of the most vibrant memories I have of my grandfather was when he showed me a book that detailed all the stupid spending during HW Bush and Clinton's terms. I still always get a chuckle out of $200,000 to study the smiling patterns at bowling alleys.

I think a larger point of fruitflygate (sorry, climategate, tigergate, deseededgate, etc is just too super annoying not to use) is the lengths that government goes to spend money in places other than here. Fruit fly research is done publicly and privately in the US. Why do we need to send money to France to do it? Plus, mashed banana media tastes really really good to both the experimenter and the experimentee. :D

647 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:40:12am

I see the Palin's Pampers squad is out this morn to try in vain to clean up the mess left by her verbal diarrhea.

648 SlothB77  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 11:45:11am

then why can't Hadley CRU or NASA Goddard fulfill any FOIA requests? There is no data. There never was any data. They just made it all up.

649 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 11:54:14am

re: #648 SlothB77

then why can't Hadley CRU or NASA Goddard fulfill any FOIA requests? There is no data. There never was any data. They just made it all up.

Are you insane?

650 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 12:02:47pm

re: #641 Jimmah

And what's with the "Xxxmah"? I don't think it's wise of you to bring that into the discussion, since it refers to the time you deliberately used part of my real name on this site, at the same time that you also posted about iceweasel being my fiancee - before we made it public (which exposes your claim that you were not revealing private info as the falsehood it is).

Yeah, I think it would be better for you not to bring that whole thing up again, Sharmuta.

It quite often happens that people shorten other people's nics - for instance, people will address me as "reine", or Sharmuta as "Shar" or "Sharm".

Sharmuta used part of your registered nic in a comment; it was you who revealed that it is indeed your real name.

651 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 12:06:26pm

re: #650 reine.de.tout

Sorry reine - that doesn't fly. Sharmuta also mentioned that ice was my fiance at the same time - before we had made it public, so it's simply delusional to try to think she wasn't revealing personal information.

652 The Left  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 12:08:41pm

re: #650 reine.de.tout

It quite often happens that people shorten other people's nics - for instance, people will address me as "reine", or Sharmuta as "Shar" or "Sharm".

Sharmuta used part of your registered nic in a comment; it was you who revealed that it is indeed your real name.

She did it knowing it was his real name, and the fact that she also revealed information about our engagement--before we chose to make it public--right in that same thread exposes what she was doing. She did both things as a way of revealing personal information while pretending not to. And she perpetuates this pretence every single time she types XXXmah. In any case he's made it clear he doesn't like it, so there is no reason whatsoever for her to continue to do it-- except as a way of stirring the pot.

I would like to see this whole subject dropped, and that isn't going to happen when people who do not know the whole story attempt to take sides. I respectfully suggest we leave the topic.

653 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 12:11:00pm

Also reine - I'd like to ask you - do you think Sharmuta was right to gratuitously bring this into the discussion here with her "Ximmah" comment?

Should she keep calling me that, or would it be better for her to avoid a repeat of this discussion by refraining from bringing it up in future?

654 Locker  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 12:13:24pm

re: #648 SlothB77

then why can't Hadley CRU or NASA Goddard fulfill any FOIA requests? There is no data. There never was any data. They just made it all up.

How is the sand down there in that hole in which your head is buried?

655 The Left  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 12:14:01pm

re: #653 Jimmah

Also reine - I'd like to ask you - do you think Sharmuta was right to gratuitously bring this into the discussion here with her "Ximmah" comment?

Should she keep calling me that, or would it be better for her to avoid a repeat of this discussion by refraining from bringing it up in future?

It's been made very obvious that there is no reason for it to happen in the future unless someone intends to stir the pot.
Asking reine for her opinion here though puts her on the spot and will prolong the discussion.

656 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 1:52:58pm

re: #244 TheMatrix31

Then I guess I misinterpreted the fawning, slobbering, nut-hugging behavior of everyone and their mother's during the election cycle.

Their mother's what?

657 kittysaidwoof  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 3:29:32pm

I finally went and read what she wrote on her facebook site. Based on what she wrote as response to Gore it looks like she too would probably be part of the 97,5% consensus on climate change, which somebody posted yesterday or the other day as proof of consensus on AGW. Now that this consensus is established, perhaps we all can be less angry?

658 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 3:37:56pm

re: #657 kittysaidwoof

I finally went and read what she wrote on her facebook site. Based on what she wrote as response to Gore it looks like she too would probably be part of the 97,5% consensus on climate change, which somebody posted yesterday or the other day as proof of consensus on AGW. Now that this consensus is established, perhaps we all can be less angry?

Uh, no, she did not say anything like that. She reiterated her idiotic denial talking points.

Sarah Palin: The Washington Post Op-ed and Response to Climate Change and Gravity %P% Facebook

The response to my op-ed by global warming alarmists has been interesting. Former Vice President Al Gore has called me a “denier” and informs us that climate change is “a principle in physics. It’s like gravity. It exists.”

Perhaps he’s right. Climate change is like gravity – a naturally occurring phenomenon that existed long before, and will exist long after, any governmental attempts to affect it.

659 gremal  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 3:59:28pm

I think it may be the fact that we were funding drosophila work in France that Palin objected to. As for the climate issue, I don't think Palin or anyone else would argue that the earth is warming (and has been since the Pleistocene). The question is what effect man has had on this warming and what effect changing our behavior could have on what is fundamentally a natural phenomenon that occurs on a geologic time scale. There are plenty of reasons to curb emissions--political, economic, even localized environmental--but I think what politicians on the right like Palin take issue with is using global warming as an alarmist pretext to mandate green policies. If those policies have a good financial, political and environmental reason, great. Enact them. But if people really think we are going to reverse the climate trend on earth, regrow our glaciers and polar icecaps as a result of curbing emissions, they have taken leave of their senses.

660 gremal  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 4:01:35pm

re: #659 gremal

As for the climate issue, I don't think Palin or anyone else would argue that the earth is warming (and has been since the Pleistocene).

Sorry, meant I don't think she would argue against the fact that the climate is warming.

661 kittysaidwoof  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 4:31:28pm

It is probably my poor reading comprehension skills but

I have never denied the existence of climate change. I just don’t think we can primarily blame man’s activities for the earth’s cyclical weather changes.

this reads to me that she
a. accepts there's climate change
b. does not deny that human activities may have a significant part in it (just not primary part)

Doesn't that pass for purity test?

The actual questions in the survey were
1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?

for this she would most obviously answer - risen (as would I and everybody I know except my three-year old who says no to everything)

2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing
mean global temperatures?

based on her facebook post for this she would probably also answer yes (as would I and everybody I know except my three-year old)

consensus achieved? can we be happy? a little bit at least?

662 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 5:29:50pm

re: #661 kittysaidwoof

It is probably my poor reading comprehension skills...

Indeed.

663 yoshicastmaster  Wed, Dec 9, 2009 9:29:41pm

Sarah Palin, Idiot.

Thanks for highlighting these things. She's remarkably dumb.


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