Nothing funnier than a joke about Obama’s birth certificate — on the front page of the North Dakota Republican Party website. (It’s been removed now.)
(Hat tip: Ben Smith.)
UPDATE at 12/14/09 6:52:12 pm:
The Birther image is still posted on this page.
1 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:31:25pm |
LOL (No, I’m not a birther, but that’s funny).
| 3 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:32:55pm |
With all due respect to the folks in North Dakota there are more people in my zip code than in ND… hardly mainstream.
| 4 |
What, me worry? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:33:43pm |
Replaced by a notice “rally against government run healthcare!”
Wonder what they’d say if their Medicare/Medicaid benefits were canceled.
| 5 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:34:12pm |
re: #3 brookly red
With all due respect to the folks in North Dakota there are more people in my zip code than in ND… hardly mainstream.
Oh, you mean they’re in flyover country?
//
| 7 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:34:40pm |
It is kind of funny….
In an Onion sort of way!
| 8 |
Racer X Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:34:42pm |
Norwegians Must Be Asking: Why Obama for Peace Prize?
Norway, it seems, has gotten as good as it gave. After the six Norwegians on the Nobel Peace Prize Committee awarded the coveted honor to a man who clearly and self-admittedly did not deserve it, Norwegians themselves have become upset with the man and, by inference, their decision to honor him in this singular fashion.
Two public opinion polls revealed dissatisfaction with Obama’s decision to skip the traditional Nobel events, including a “Save the Children” concert in which the only presence of the U.S. president was a cardboard cutout brought in a kind of good-natured rebuke. “Norwegians’s Verdict: Obama Is Impolite” blared the headline in one Oslo daily newspaper.
| 9 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:34:55pm |
| 10 |
political lunatic Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:35:05pm |
And they wonder why a lot of young voters think the Republican Party is full of racists… The media needs to stop referring to these guys as the GOP. There’s nothing grand about these guys, at least not since Reagan anyway.
| 11 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:36:17pm |
re: #1 Walter L. Newton
LOL (No, I’m not a birther, but that’s funny).
could it be the phoney smiles…
| 12 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:36:46pm |
re: #10 political lunatic
And they wonder why a lot of young voters think the Republican Party is full of racists… The media needs to stop referring to these guys as the GOP. There’s nothing grand about these guys, at least not since Reagan anyway.
Ok, what is racist about this joke? Whether you think it’s funny or not, whether you are a birther or not (I’m not, don’t care really), I’m curious as to why this is racist?
| 13 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:36:53pm |
Sorry, just not seeing the humor in a Birther joke on the home page of a state GOP party.
| 14 |
Professor Chaos Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:36:59pm |
My joke of the day is Conservapedia’s Examples of Bias in Wikipedia page.
I’m only up to 80 or so, and I keep hearing Stephen Colbert saying, “Truth has a well-known liberal bias.”
| 15 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:37:08pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
Ok, what is racist about this joke? Whether you think it’s funny or not, whether you are a birther or not (I’m not, don’t care really), I’m curious as to why this is racist?
Birtherism is racism. Period.
| 16 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:37:13pm |
It’s not a joke. They are pandering to their base.
| 17 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:37:50pm |
re: #15 WindUpBird
I used to shy away from saying that, but it’s becoming very, very apparent recently.
Walks like, quacks like, etc etc.
| 18 |
Jaerik Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:37:56pm |
re: #10 political lunatic
There’s nothing grand about these guys, at least not since Reagan anyway.
And even that isn’t going to work forever. You have to be 44 years old to have even voted for Reagan. That means 26 years worth of your electorate — an entire generation — doesn’t even remember the guy in a political context.
With all due respect to Reagan, if you need to go that far back to find someone from your party worth voting for, you’re screwed.
| 19 |
Kruk Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:38:29pm |
But Charles, it’s satire. Surely no-one could take offense at that unless they were thin-skinned humourless people who were nursing a grievance.
//
| 20 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:38:39pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
Ok, what is racist about this joke? Whether you think it’s funny or not, whether you are a birther or not (I’m not, don’t care really), I’m curious as to why this is racist?
dude, it’s like against Obama…
| 21 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:39:21pm |
re: #15 WindUpBird
Birtherism is racism. Period.
I can see racist using their racism to push the Birther agenda, considering it serves their purpose and they don’t like having a black president. But I think it is certainly possible that there are Birthers who just don’t want Obama, period, sans whatever color. Otherwise, are you saying any opposition to the president is racist?
| 22 |
political lunatic Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:40:00pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
Birtherism = racism, especially given the way the birthers talk about Obama like he is literally Hitler. And for the love of God, I will NOT argue this with anyone who is paying attention to politics.
| 23 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:40:18pm |
re: #8 Racer X
Norwegians Must Be Asking: Why Obama for Peace Prize?
Norway, it seems, has gotten as good as it gave. After the six Norwegians on the Nobel Peace Prize Committee awarded the coveted honor to a man who clearly and self-admittedly did not deserve it, Norwegians themselves have become upset with the man and, by inference, their decision to honor him in this singular fashion.
Two public opinion polls revealed dissatisfaction with Obama’s decision to skip the traditional Nobel events, including a “Save the Children” concert in which the only presence of the U.S. president was a cardboard cutout brought in a kind of good-natured rebuke. “Norwegians’s Verdict: Obama Is Impolite” blared the headline in one Oslo daily newspaper.
Dear Norway,
You chose to give this man the Peace Prize for no apparent reason, except that for once, the guy Europe liked won the election. You did this despite knowing that by the time you gave him the prize, he would be the man in charge of two active wars on foreign soil.
Unlike many of the people you have chosen to give this award to, Mr. Obama has a job, and it is not Chief Schmoozer With Norway.
Give the dude a break, and get over it. You did this for yourselves, and there’s a limit to how much ass the President is required to kiss over it. A SMALL limit.
Sincerely,
SFZ, California, USA
| 24 |
What, me worry? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:40:41pm |
re: #14 Girth
My joke of the day is Conservapedia’s Examples of Bias in Wikipedia page.
[Link: www.conservapedia.com…]
I’m only up to 80 or so, and I keep hearing Stephen Colbert saying, “Truth has a well-known liberal bias.”
Did you see that too? Colbert’s a hoot. I don’t know why those folks come on the show.
He said, “I’d love to be able to edit, too. I’d like to be able to alter reality just like you do!” (paraphrasing)
I was typing and watching. Did someone put him on their Moses page as a joke?
| 25 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:40:49pm |
re: #22 political lunatic
Birtherism = racism, especially given the way the birthers talk about Obama like he is literally Hitler. And for the love of God, I will NOT argue this with anyone who is paying attention to politics.
yes it is better that you don’t.
| 26 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:41:22pm |
re: #22 political lunatic
Birtherism = racism, especially given the way the birthers talk about Obama like he is literally Hitler. And for the love of God, I will NOT argue this with anyone who is paying attention to politics.
You didn’t give me a reason, just repeated your conclusion. And don’t argue, or discuss, if you think you are such a political expert, I wouldn’t want to muddy your evening having to deal with us rabble.
Sorry.
| 27 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:43:07pm |
re: #15 WindUpBird
Birtherism is racism. Period.
don’t be ridiculous…it’s even been said here that curiosity about his college days are racist….just bullshit, and it’s a bad move to belittle racism like that
| 28 |
Jaerik Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:43:48pm |
Not all Birthers are racist. But the birther controversy itself was spawned from racism. There’s a valid discrepancy there, but the whole thing is so stupid it’s a Pyrrhic victory to insist on the distinction.
The only reason someone has thought to question this President’s record of birth is because he doesn’t look like any other President.
By comparison, McCain actually wasn’t born in the United States, (he was born on a US base in Panama), but none of the birthers have questioned his candidacy.
| 29 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:44:04pm |
Birtherism is a modern way of shouting the n-word.
| 30 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:44:26pm |
re: #17 erraticsphinx
I used to shy away from saying that, but it’s becoming very, very apparent recently.
Walks like, quacks like, etc etc.
At first, I sort of chalked it up to just flailing paranoia and anger during the campaign (note Hillary made a move towards the muslim-hatas with her “AS FAR AS I KNOW!” thing) but the fact that it’s still around now, a year after the campaign, that’s racism. it’s being deliberately stoked by the GOP, it’s being deliberately kept alive to pander to people who think Obama is a muslim, that a black president is illegitimate, etc, etc.
A friend of mine frequents a large video fighting game forum (Shoryuken) with a lot of diversity, and the black people on the forum who have been there for years say that in the last several months, the amount of outright unabashedly racist comments on the forums is many many times what it was a couple years ago. And these aren’t old crusty GOP types, they’re younger people who play video games.
The thing that the GOP is doing, is they’re legitimizing racism with this stuff. They’re giving cover, they’re making it okay to be racist in public because the mainstreaming of paranoid anti-Obama rhetoric gives them power.
The dogwhistles, they are a symphony, and people hear them.
| 31 |
What, me worry? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:44:26pm |
re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist
Dear Norway,
You chose to give this man the Peace Prize for no apparent reason, except that for once, the guy Europe liked won the election. You did this despite knowing that by the time you gave him the prize, he would be the man in charge of two active wars on foreign soil.
Unlike many of the people you have chosen to give this award to, Mr. Obama has a job, and it is not Chief Schmoozer With Norway.
Give the dude a break, and get over it. You did this for yourselves, and there’s a limit to how much ass the President is required to kiss over it. A SMALL limit.
Sincerely,
SFZ, California, USA
hehe You go girl. It lost all meaning to me after it went to Arafish. When did that “honor” ever mean anything accept political manipulation? Very odd.
| 32 |
The Curmudgeon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:44:37pm |
I wouldn’t have run the cartoon if I had been the editor. The birther movement isn’t funny. Bad lapse in taste. But there’s another way to look at that one. It was the party-crasher who was the birther. That’s a curious twist.
| 33 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:44:57pm |
re: #28 Jaerik
Not all Birthers are racist. But the birther controversy itself was spawned from racism. There’s a valid discrepancy there, but the whole thing is so stupid it’s a Pyrrhic victory to insist on the distinction.
The only reason someone has thought to question this President’s record of birth is because he doesn’t look like any other President.
By comparison, McCain actually wasn’t born in the United States, (he was born on a US base in Panama), but none of the birthers have questioned his candidacy.
well yes in fact they did… but he didn’t win so it didn’t stick
| 34 |
Professor Chaos Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:44:59pm |
re: #24 marjoriemoon
Did you see that too? Colbert’s a hoot. I don’t know why those folks come on the show.
He said, “I’d love to be able to edit, too. I’d like to be able to alter reality just like you do!” (paraphrasing)
I was typing and watching. Did someone put him on their Moses page as a joke?
When the they launched the Conservative Bible Project he called on viewers to edit him into it.
| 35 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:45:01pm |
re: #20 brookly red
dude, it’s like against Obama…
After all you’ve seen, you still don’t believe this is racism.
| 36 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:45:38pm |
re: #30 WindUpBird
At first, I sort of chalked it up to just flailing paranoia and anger during the campaign (note Hillary made a move towards the muslim-hatas with her “AS FAR AS I KNOW!” thing) but the fact that it’s still around now, a year after the campaign, that’s racism. it’s being deliberately stoked by the GOP, it’s being deliberately kept alive to pander to people who think Obama is a muslim, that a black president is illegitimate, etc, etc.
A friend of mine frequents a large video fighting game forum (Shoryuken) with a lot of diversity, and the black people on the forum who have been there for years say that in the last several months, the amount of outright unabashedly racist comments on the forums is many many times what it was a couple years ago. And these aren’t old crusty GOP types, they’re younger people who play video games.
The thing that the GOP is doing, is they’re legitimizing racism with this stuff. They’re giving cover, they’re making it okay to be racist in public because the mainstreaming of paranoid anti-Obama rhetoric gives them power.
The dogwhistles, they are a symphony, and people hear them.
That would be a cool name for a book. Dogwhistle Symphony.
| 37 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:45:47pm |
re: #25 brookly red
yes it is better that you don’t.
I know (and agree) there are a lot of people who don’t like having a black president, and they are certainly racist, but is dishonest to use that as the answer to any opposition to Obama.
I don’t like his health care bill as constructed by his administration, but I do believe we need health care reform. I like most of his speech at Oslo, and agree with him, I in no way agree with cap and trade. And when it comes to his birth certificate, I don’t care, he’s in, it doesn’t matter.
I don’t agree with “Obama everything.” I guess I’m racist, right?
| 38 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:46:19pm |
a lot of people don’t like BO, few are racist tho imo….he’s a lousy president and that must count for something….demeaning racism by tossing it around so easily is not a cool thing to do….you are actually using race for your own purposes…reverse racism
| 39 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:46:50pm |
re: #35 WindUpBird
After all you’ve seen, you still don’t believe this is racism.
A lot of racist are Birthers, not all Birthers are racist, in my opinion.
| 40 |
srjh Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:47:09pm |
The racism is plausibly deniable, but at the very least the GOP is using the birth certificate nonsense as a dog whistle to incite fear about Obama’s “otherness”.
| 41 |
Jaerik Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:47:13pm |
re: #33 brookly red
well yes in fact they did… but he didn’t win so it didn’t stick
Link me to any of these same people openly questioning McCain’s candidacy? I can’t find any references to it on Birther sites’ archives…
| 42 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:47:14pm |
re: #28 Jaerik
Not all Birthers are racist. But the birther controversy itself was spawned from racism. There’s a valid discrepancy there, but the whole thing is so stupid it’s a Pyrrhic victory to insist on the distinction.
The only reason someone has thought to question this President’s record of birth is because he doesn’t look like any other President.
By comparison, McCain actually wasn’t born in the United States, (he was born on a US base in Panama), but none of the birthers have questioned his candidacy.
I agree that there’s a very strong undercurrent of racism in the Birther “movement.” I’ve seen it over and over and over. Sometimes it comes right up to the surface — at tea parties some of the Birthers carried signs saying “Go back to Kenya.”
As usual, people want to look the other way and deny this, but there is absolutely a very large component of racism to this disgusting crap.
| 43 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:47:17pm |
re: #27 albusteve
don’t be ridiculous…it’s even been said here that curiosity about his college days are racist…just bullshit, and it’s a bad move to belittle racism like that
What does his college theses have to do with calling him a muslim? Totally irrelevant to birtherism.
Are you honestly telling me that questioning his religion, insisting he’s a member of a tiny minority faith in this country that is associated with terrorists, claiming he secretly holds allegiance to another country ISN’T racist?
Are you honestly telling me that?
| 44 |
Racer X Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:47:40pm |
Playing the race card over every little perceived slight, could very well diminish the race card.
| 45 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:48:00pm |
re: #33 brookly red
well yes in fact they did… but he didn’t win so it didn’t stick
I don’t think it would have, anyway.
| 46 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:48:01pm |
re: #37 Walter L. Newton
I know (and agree) there are a lot of people who don’t like having a black president, and they are certainly racist, but is dishonest to use that as the answer to any opposition to Obama.
I don’t like his health care bill as constructed by his administration, but I do believe we need health care reform. I like most of his speech at Oslo, and agree with him, I in no way agree with cap and trade. And when it comes to his birth certificate, I don’t care, he’s in, it doesn’t matter.
I don’t agree with “Obama everything.” I guess I’m racist, right?
(ANd that first sentence may be vague, I don’t mean I agree with not liking a black president, I mean I agree, there are racist who don’t like Obama simply because he is black)
| 47 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:48:24pm |
re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
That would be a cool name for a book. Dogwhistle Symphony.
The cover need to be one of those snazzy macro photos with the really narrow fuzzed out depth of field, of a dogwhistle lying on top of a confedarate flag :D
Big block letters for the title in Impact font!
| 48 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:49:11pm |
re: #42 Charles
I agree that there’s a very strong undercurrent of racism in the Birther “movement.” I’ve seen it over and over and over. Sometimes it comes right up to the surface — at tea parties some of the Birthers carried signs saying “Go back to Kenya.”
As usual, people want to look the other way and deny this, but there is absolutely a very large component of racism to this disgusting crap.
And I agree too. As I said above. There is a large element of racism in the Birther movement, may have even started because of that racism, but not all Birthers care about his color at all.
| 49 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:49:11pm |
re: #39 Walter L. Newton
A lot of racist are Birthers, not all Birthers are racist, in my opinion.
it’s a ploy to cover for BOs failures…connecting ‘birthers’ to racism is a stretch and disingenuous at that
| 50 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:50:09pm |
re: #44 Racer X
Playing the race card over every little perceived slight, could very well diminish the race card.
yes, of course…giving maximum exposure and cred to a few will do that
| 51 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:50:35pm |
re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t think it would have, anyway.
course not, but those who questioned were not somehow racist.
| 52 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:50:46pm |
re: #7 Floral Giraffe
It is kind of funny…
In an Onion sort of way!
Yeah, too bad it appeared on the website of an organization that wants to taken seriously.
| 53 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:50:51pm |
re: #37 Walter L. Newton
I know (and agree) there are a lot of people who don’t like having a black president, and they are certainly racist, but is dishonest to use that as the answer to any opposition to Obama.
I don’t like his health care bill as constructed by his administration, but I do believe we need health care reform. I like most of his speech at Oslo, and agree with him, I in no way agree with cap and trade. And when it comes to his birth certificate, I don’t care, he’s in, it doesn’t matter.
I don’t agree with “Obama everything.” I guess I’m racist, right?
The day someone around here tells you you’re racist for not liking his healthcare bill, or cap and trade, you can use that last line with a straight face, but when we’re talking about the nirth certifikit, it seems kind of—silly.
You say you ‘don’t care’ when it comes to his certifikit. Does that seriously mean that you think there’s any potential truth at all to this conspiracy theory?
| 54 |
McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:51:07pm |
re: #49 albusteve
it’s a ploy to cover for BOs failures…connecting ‘birthers’ to racism is a stretch and disingenuous at that
“Go back to Africa!” isn’t racist?
| 55 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:51:10pm |
re: #44 Racer X
Playing the race card over every little perceived slight, could very well diminish the race card.
Birtherism itself is not a little slight. It is a substantial thing, that is being repeated in some form every day on radio, Tv, and the internet.
| 56 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:51:24pm |
re: #39 Walter L. Newton
A lot of racist are Birthers, not all Birthers are racist, in my opinion.
I think the Birthers who aren’t are being sold a bill of goods by the Birthers who are.
| 57 |
What, me worry? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:52:14pm |
re: #29 erraticsphinx
Birtherism is a modern way of shouting the n-word.
I think that’s true. I’d like to say “some” of them, but then I wonder. Why would anyone question his citizenship at this point when he proved he was born here. Why would they keep this going and going? You could pick any number of things to disagree with him. Policy for one if you don’t like it, but this? Something deeper is lurking.
| 58 |
Racer X Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:52:18pm |
My first reaction (admit - it yours too) was to laugh at this ridiculous cartoon.
/sonofabitch, I’m a racist.
| 59 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:52:27pm |
re: #43 WindUpBird
What does his college theses have to do with calling him a muslim? Totally irrelevant to birtherism.
Are you honestly telling me that questioning his religion, insisting he’s a member of a tiny minority faith in this country that is associated with terrorists, claiming he secretly holds allegiance to another country ISN’T racist?
Are you honestly telling me that?
I have no clue what you are saying
| 60 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:52:30pm |
re: #49 albusteve
Why does the GOP keep “joking” and wink-wink-nudge-nudge type antics to play up to this crowd?
This supposedly non racist crowd who are just “asking questions”?
No one ever said all opposition is racist, we’re talking about birthers here.
| 61 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:52:37pm |
re: #44 Racer X
Playing the race card over every little perceived slight, could very well diminish the race card.
Since I have never seen the racism so blatant that someone couldn’t call it ‘playing the race card’, I figure to call ‘em like I see ‘em, and if people see differently, we can talk.
| 62 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:52:41pm |
re: #48 Walter L. Newton
And I agree too. As I said above. There is a large element of racism in the Birther movement, may have even started because of that racism, but not all Birthers care about his color at all.
I’m pretty sure nobody is saying that ALL Birthers are racists.
| 63 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:53:07pm |
re: #41 Jaerik
Link me to any of these same people openly questioning McCain’s candidacy? I can’t find any references to it on Birther sites’ archives…
If you slept through the last election it ain’t my problem.
| 64 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:53:41pm |
re: #44 Racer X
Playing the race card over every little perceived slight, could very well diminish the race card.
has not done so yet.
| 65 |
Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:54:06pm |
re: #13 Charles
Sorry, just not seeing the humor in a Birther joke on the home page of a state GOP party.
Not the only instance of such a ‘joke’ on GOP pages, some of which have been official GOP party pages.
Here is Clark County GOP WA calling Obama a Muslim in 2008. The page is still up.
Is this real?— I don’t know but I do know that several ‘official’ GOP pages (state and local level) have propagated very wingnutty stuff.
| 66 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:54:27pm |
re: #49 albusteve
it’s a ploy to cover for BOs failures…connecting ‘birthers’ to racism is a stretch and disingenuous at that
If I’m covering for BO’s failures, why do I keep getting into arguments with my liberal friends about how his administration is in bed with Wall Street (which it is) and not responding well to the housing crisis?
It is not a stretch. It is the reality. You say this because you dislike Obama.
| 67 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:54:39pm |
re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist
The day someone around here tells you you’re racist for not liking his healthcare bill, or cap and trade, you can use that last line with a straight face, but when we’re talking about the nirth certifikit, it seems kind of—silly.
You say you ‘don’t care’ when it comes to his certifikit. Does that seriously mean that you think there’s any potential truth at all to this conspiracy theory?
If there was, I would care.
And I have heard Jesse Jackson on his radio show suggest that it was racist reasons that conservatives do not want to pass health care, so please, don’t assume it doesn’t happen.
| 68 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:55:16pm |
I still can’t believe the racism that is creeping out into the daylight. And not being called out, except, as far as I see, at LGF.
I really thought we as a country were better than this.
You want a source?
View the comments on any “right wing” blog.
| 69 |
Big Steve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:55:31pm |
Since politics has become so shrill of late, it almost seems to be legitimizing clearly racist behavior.
| 70 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:55:38pm |
re: #51 brookly red
course not, but those who questioned were not somehow racist.
Probably because they didn’t come up with a dramatic conspiracy theory to go with it, that suggested he wasn’t a ‘real’ American, and that his whole family had been lying about his origins for generations.
“Maybe McCain isn’t legally allowed to run because he was born out of country” is a different kettle than,
“Maybe Obama isn’t legally allowed to run because even though he was born in the US, we’ve got a theory maybe he was secretly born in Africa, and the birth certificate is forged, and it’s a conspiracy, and maybe he’s lying about his age, and Hawaii isn’t really a state, because Kamehameha secretly forged HIS birth certificate…”
| 71 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:55:44pm |
| 72 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:55:57pm |
re: #44 Racer X
Playing the race card over every little perceived slight, could very well diminish the race card.
And refusing to admit it when the racism is right in your face could very well diminish your own soul.
| 74 |
Lateralis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:56:22pm |
re: #57 marjoriemoon
Why would anyone question his citizenship at this point when he proved he was born here.
Why do people still question that Arabs brought down the twin towers.
| 75 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:57:05pm |
re: #54 McSpiff
“Go back to Africa!” isn’t racist?
there is no logic behind questioning his birth cert and racism…that’s what I’m trying to say…the racists are using the already answered question for their own purposes….racists will use every tool in the box but that does not mean it is rational…birtherism and racism only mix because racists need it to…otherwise there is simply no connection between the two
| 76 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:57:12pm |
re: #54 McSpiff
“Go back to Africa!” isn’t racist?
Of course not. It just reflects their beliefs about his real birthplace. They could just as easily be yelling “Go back to Russia!” Which I’ve had yelled at me, BTW. Or “Go back to Holland!” Anywhere. You know. Like that.
///
| 77 |
Summer Seale Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:57:18pm |
I completely agree: Not ALL “birthers” are racist. But clearly, all “birthers” are idiots.
| 78 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:57:36pm |
re: #67 Walter L. Newton
If there was, I would care.
And I have heard Jesse Jackson on his radio show suggest that it was racist reasons that conservatives do not want to pass health care, so please, don’t assume it doesn’t happen.
Everything is “racist” on the Al & Jesse Show. That doesn’t mean nothing is racist.
| 79 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:58:01pm |
re: #74 Lateralis
Why do people still question that Arabs brought down the twin towers.
Because they’re assholes.
| 80 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:58:11pm |
re: #57 marjoriemoon
I think that’s true. I’d like to say “some” of them, but then I wonder. Why would anyone question his citizenship at this point when he proved he was born here. Why would they keep this going and going? You could pick any number of things to disagree with him. Policy for one if you don’t like it, but this? Something deeper is lurking.
That’s the thing. It’s still alive, it’s picking up steam, it’s being legitimized by media and politicians. It went from wild-eyed crazies like Orly Taitz, Rusty Humphries, and Pam Geller, people with little credibility, then it was passed on to tea parties, and now actual GOP congressmen are taking up their places at the dogwhistle bandstand.
News to anyone who wants their party back: if you apologize and hem and haw and defend Birthers, you are helping them. You are giving them cover, and hurting the reasonable people in your party.
| 81 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:58:15pm |
re: #78 Alouette
Everything is “racist” on the Al & Jesse Show. That doesn’t mean nothing is racist.
I never said “nothing is racist” did I? Show me where I said that?
| 82 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:58:23pm |
re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist
Probably because they didn’t come up with a dramatic conspiracy theory to go with it, that suggested he wasn’t a ‘real’ American, and that his whole family had been lying about his origins for generations.
“Maybe McCain isn’t legally allowed to run because he was born out of country” is a different kettle than,
“Maybe Obama isn’t legally allowed to run because even though he was born in the US, we’ve got a theory maybe he was secretly born in Africa, and the birth certificate is forged, and it’s a conspiracy, and maybe he’s lying about his age, and Hawaii isn’t really a state, because Kamehameha secretly forged HIS birth certificate…”
well given his POW experience it would be hard to say he wasn’t real, but some did try.
| 83 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:58:32pm |
re: #62 Charles
I’m pretty sure nobody is saying that ALL Birthers are racists.
I will happily, however, say that all Birthers are either willfully stupid, or just stupid. Or so partisan that they have lost any sense of what is appropriate in U.S. politics.
| 84 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:59:01pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
I will happily, however, say that all Birthers are either willfully stupid, or just stupid. Or so partisan that they have lost any sense of what is appropriate in U.S. politics.
That I can agree with.
| 85 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:59:37pm |
Hey, who was the last conservative Republican politician to wholeheartedly denounce this crazy conspiracy theory?
Just askin’ questions.
| 86 |
researchok Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:59:54pm |
re: #62 Charles
I’m pretty sure nobody is saying that ALL Birthers are racists.
Of course you are right.
That said, there is no question racism fuels the birther movement.
Not all proponents of mid 20th century study of eugenics were Nazis, but there is no question who fueled the ‘science’.
| 87 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:59:59pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
I will happily, however, say that all Birthers are either willfully stupid, or just stupid. Or so partisan that they have lost any sense of what is appropriate in U.S. politics.
Absolutely. They’re all stupid. And a fair number of them are also racists, who are so horrified at the idea of a black president that they’re sublimating it in this idiotic fantasy that lets them believe he’s “other.”
| 88 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:00:10pm |
re: #67 Walter L. Newton
If there was, I would care.
And I have heard Jesse Jackson on his radio show suggest that it was racist reasons that conservatives do not want to pass health care, so please, don’t assume it doesn’t happen.
I’m not going to assume, but Jesse being Jesse, I ask that you not assume that because he’s talking out of his ass as usual, that people here are not sincere when they say that they see racism in the Nirther Nation.
| 90 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:00:12pm |
re: #68 Floral Giraffe
I still can’t believe the racism that is creeping out into the daylight. And not being called out, except, as far as I see, at LGF.
I really thought we as a country were better than this.
You want a source?
View the comments on any “right wing” blog.
I wish I could say I thought that as well. How long was Jesse Helms in Senate for?
| 91 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:00:14pm |
re: #85 erraticsphinx
Hey, who was the last conservative Republican politician to wholeheartedly denounce this crazy conspiracy theory?
Just askin’ questions.
That would be … nobody.
| 92 |
McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:00:15pm |
re: #75 albusteve
there is no logic behind questioning his birth cert and racism…that’s what I’m trying to say…the racists are using the already answered question for their own purposes…racists will use every tool in the box but that does not mean it is rational…birtherism and racism only mix because racists need it to…otherwise there is simply no connection between the two
Racists use birtherism to further their own cause I can agree with. I guess my question is; would we have birtherism if it wasn’t for the racists?
| 93 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:00:22pm |
It seems a bit hard to believe that some these birther folks could really hate Obama as much as they do, with as much fervor as is being demonstrated simply because of a birth certificate. It’s almost like the phrase:
HE’S NOT A CITIZEN!
is just a substitute for:
HE’S A N*****!
| 94 |
Lateralis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:00:44pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
I will happily, however, say that all Birthers are either willfully stupid, or just stupid. Or so partisan that they have lost any sense of what is appropriate in U.S. politics.
I will go with partisan. Partisan politics is completely out of control on both sides and they use items like this to fuel the fear.
| 95 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:00:56pm |
re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m not going to assume, but Jesse being Jesse, I ask that you not assume that because he’s talking out of his ass as usual, that people here are not sincere when they say that they see racism in the Nirther Nation.
I never said that. There are racists in the Birther movement, probably by a large percentage, but now all Birthers are racist.
| 96 |
Racer X Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:01:04pm |
re: #72 Charles
And refusing to admit it when the racism is right in your face could very well diminish your own soul.
Wow.
I’m not sure how to respond to that Charles. I honestly looked at this cartoon and laughed. I do not view it as racist. Ridiculous perhaps, but not racist. Didn’t you just state that not all birthers are racists?
I am neither a birther, nor a racist (I’m pretty sure I’m not. Is there a test or something? Was this it? Did I fail?)
| 97 |
McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:01:35pm |
re: #95 Walter L. Newton
I never said that. There are racists in the Birther movement, probably by a large percentage, but now all Birthers are racist.
I’m assuming you meant ‘not’ instead of ‘now’?
| 98 |
Lateralis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:01:37pm |
| 99 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:01:53pm |
re: #74 Lateralis
Why do people still question that Arabs brought down the twin towers.
It does not fit in with their preferred version of reality.
Does that answer both questions?
| 100 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:02:05pm |
re: #98 Lateralis
Last time I checked Medved wasn’t a politician.
| 101 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:02:21pm |
re: #98 Lateralis
Wrong. Michael Medved does all the time.
The question was:
…who was the last conservative Republican politician to wholeheartedly denounce this crazy conspiracy theory?
| 103 |
The Curmudgeon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:03:01pm |
re: #98 Lateralis
Wrong. Michael Medved does all the time.
And McCain dismissed the issue during the campaign.
| 104 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:03:08pm |
re: #93 Locker
It seems a bit hard to believe that some these birther folks could really hate Obama as much as they do, with as much fervor as is being demonstrated simply because of a birth certificate. It’s almost like the phrase:
HE’S NOT A CITIZEN!
is just a substitute for:
HE’S A N***!
those N people of whom you speak are recognized as citizens, so please try again.
| 105 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:03:12pm |
re: #80 WindUpBird
That’s the thing. It’s still alive, it’s picking up steam, it’s being legitimized by media and politicians. It went from wild-eyed crazies like Orly Taitz, Rusty Humphries, and Pam Geller, people with little credibility, then it was passed on to tea parties, and now actual GOP congressmen are taking up their places at the dogwhistle bandstand.
News to anyone who wants their party back: if you apologize and hem and haw and defend Birthers, you are helping them. You are giving them cover, and hurting the reasonable people in your party.
Don’t give aid and comfort to the Nirthers, people!
/I AM talking about my own mother-in-law here, I should point out, sadly.
| 106 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:03:34pm |
re: #62 Charles
I’m pretty sure nobody is saying that ALL Birthers are racists.
To clairify, I am saying Birtherism = racism.
An individual person can of course believe in this nonsense without being a racist. Ive listened to enough Art Bell and George Norry during overnight shifts to know about the bonkers stuff people believe in. But I believe the thrust of the movement is racism, it works and has stayed alive for a year because of a critical mass of far-right-wing racists to give it legs.
| 107 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:03:49pm |
re: #92 McSpiff
Racists use birtherism to further their own cause I can agree with. I guess my question is; would we have birtherism if it wasn’t for the racists?
of course…BO is a new kind of guy and people will take advantage of any and every little thing that they can…I don’t condone it, I’m just trying to see it in a practical light….many people just don’t like BO, not all of them are racists or birthers or whatever….I dislike him on merit, what he has said and done
| 108 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:03:56pm |
re: #82 brookly red
well given his POW experience it would be hard to say he wasn’t real, but some did try.
Beyond questioning the Panama thing?
| 109 |
political lunatic Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:04:08pm |
re: #71 Walter L. Newton
Ok, I was wrong to say that, but honestly, it’s the only thing I see. Maybe there are some birthers who aren’t openly racist, but I have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise. I would honestly appreciate it if you could link me to something that proves me wrong.
| 110 |
darthstar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:04:10pm |
re: #21 Walter L. Newton
I can see racist using their racism to push the Birther agenda, considering it serves their purpose and they don’t like having a black president. But I think it is certainly possible that there are Birthers who just don’t want Obama, period, sans whatever color. Otherwise, are you saying any opposition to the president is racist?
In a nutshell, Walter, yes. That’s exactly what most people say (and think). Barack Obama’s father is Kenyan, yes. But Barack Obama was born in Hawaii (a US state). The same people who think he’s not American also think he’s a Muslim (another lie).
| 111 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:04:37pm |
| 112 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:04:56pm |
re: #85 erraticsphinx
Hey, who was the last conservative Republican politician to wholeheartedly denounce this crazy conspiracy theory?
Just askin’ questions.
Dunno. McCain did take on the sekrit Muslim thing at one of his own rallies, in no uncertain terms, I recall that, because I was cheering my head off. Who’s recent?
| 113 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:04:57pm |
re: #96 Racer X
Wow.
I’m not sure how to respond to that Charles. I honestly looked at this cartoon and laughed. I do not view it as racist. Ridiculous perhaps, but not racist. Didn’t you just state that not all birthers are racists?
I am neither a birther, nor a racist (I’m pretty sure I’m not. Is there a test or something? Was this it? Did I fail?)
The discussion about racism is not specifically about this picture, but about the Birther “movement” in general. And I get really weary of the constant denials that there’s anything racist going on in any part of the GOP. Every time the subject comes up, people want to minimize and deny it.
The thread about the Obama witch doctor picture was a perfect example. I was simply horrified at how many LGF readers were trying to claim that there’s nothing racist about a picture of Obama with a freaking bone through his nose.
This is a serious problem, and turning the other way and denying it exists is just not cutting it for me any more.
| 114 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:05:43pm |
re: #93 Locker
It seems a bit hard to believe that some these birther folks could really hate Obama as much as they do, with as much fervor as is being demonstrated simply because of a birth certificate. It’s almost like the phrase:
HE’S NOT A CITIZEN!
is just a substitute for:
HE’S A N***!
no, they hate him for various reasons…the birth issue is a vehicle to voice their hate
| 115 |
Stuart Leviton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:06:07pm |
The cartoon remains on the ND Republican Party website under multimedia
ND Republican Party Birther Cartoon.
| 116 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:06:12pm |
Browsing around…
WELCOME TO MIDLAND TEXAS GOP
Obama will Finally be able to Prove his Citizenship
Well well, looks like our president will finally have to prove he is eligible to be our president. How he got this far without proving he had a birth certificate, we will never know…
| 117 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:06:20pm |
re: #75 albusteve
there is no logic behind questioning his birth cert and racism…that’s what I’m trying to say…the racists are using the already answered question for their own purposes…racists will use every tool in the box but that does not mean it is rational…birtherism and racism only mix because racists need it to…otherwise there is simply no connection between the two
Birtherism would not EXIST were it not for racists. It would have no engine to drive it, it would be discarded. Similar claims against a white protestant political candidate would not have legs.
| 118 |
darthstar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:06:37pm |
re: #104 brookly red
those N people of whom you speak are recognized as citizens, so please try again.
Sure…the people calling President Obama a non-citizen, or a N***** for that matter, are recognized as citizens. Don’t you think our President deserves the same level of respect?
| 119 |
lostlakehiker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:06:56pm |
re: #87 Charles
Absolutely. They’re all stupid. And a fair number of them are also racists, who are so horrified at the idea of a black president that they’re sublimating it in this idiotic fantasy that lets them believe he’s “other.”
Other? If we want to get all scientific about it, Obama is a white American from Kansas. (Well, that’s half right.)
| 120 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:07:03pm |
re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist
Nobody dares denounce them now, not if they value their job. Welcome to the modern state of the GOP.
| 121 |
McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:07:18pm |
re: #107 albusteve
of course…BO is a new kind of guy and people will take advantage of any and every little thing that they can…I don’t condone it, I’m just trying to see it in a practical light…many people just don’t like BO, not all of them are racists or birthers or whatever…I dislike him on merit, what he has said and done
Well of course. There are millions of people who are neither racist nor birther but dislike BO. I would argue there are very few who are birther and not racist. Probably some, but very few. The movement certainly wouldn’t be able to sustain itself without them.
| 122 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:07:25pm |
re: #117 WindUpBird
Birtherism would not EXIST were it not for racists. It would have no engine to drive it, it would be discarded. Similar claims against a white protestant political candidate would not have legs.
that’s an assumption…your guess
| 123 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:07:50pm |
re: #95 Walter L. Newton
I never said that. There are racists in the Birther movement, probably by a large percentage, but now all Birthers are racist.
No, I don’t think so. My MIL is not a racist, and she’s a Birther. (She’s a conspiracy theorist, an Alex Jones aficionado, and occasionally gullible as sin, but she is not a racist.) But there is still a big gristly streak of racism running through the whole Birther concept, and chewing on that isn’t good for you regardless.
| 124 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:07:58pm |
Cumberland County Republicans
The Obama Administration’s Goals
Posted by Jim Sykes on March 29, 2009
During the campaign of 2008, we were told many stories about candidate Obama’s relationships with questionable individuals. None of these relationships were fully vetted by the mainstream media and we never really received the details. Candidate Obama never released his income tax returns, his medical records, his educational records and his birth certificate. His campaign has called our request for his birth certificate “garbage” but the simple fact remains that all he would have to do is release a copy of his “actual” birth certificate an all of the questions would go away. Instead, he has spent more than $800.000.00 on attorney’s fees to resist this simple action to settle this Constitutional question. WHY?? Does he have something to hide? My answer would be an absolute YES but his birth certificate is not the most important question that we have not been made aware of in his past…
| 125 |
Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:08:34pm |
re: #55 WindUpBird
Birtherism itself is not a little slight. It is a substantial thing, that is being repeated in some form every day on radio, Tv, and the internet.
Of course. And there is a reason why we’re seeing sudden ‘concern about citizenship’ ( / ) with the election of the first black president.
I think a great deal of the craziness we are seeing now is due to the state of the nation economically, etc— in other words, we would have seen a lot of angry people, a lot of unhinged people, a lot of fringe activity no matter who won the 2008 election. I don’t the the left would be behaving any better than the right is now, in the hypothetical world where McCain/Palin won.
But does anyone genuinely think that ‘the left’ would have spent a lot of time talking about McCain’s birthplace, if he’d won in 2008?
What’s the difference? It’s clear.
| 126 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:08:41pm |
re: #113 Charles
Also the high profile examples of Glenn Beck’s “white culture: remark and Rush using the video of a white kid being punched by a black kid as what happens to white children in Obama’s America. I used to dismiss the accusations of racism as over blown or exaggerated but they became too obvious during the campaign to ignore.
| 127 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:08:52pm |
re: #104 brookly red
those N people of whom you speak are recognized as citizens, so please try again.
Not sure if you are being sarcastic so I’ll clarify. A racist can’t come out and scream the second phrase. So they get to express their hatred by screaming the first phrase as loud and as often as they want. I’m not claiming the phrases mean the same thing, only that it’s an acceptable expression of their underlying rage.
| 128 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:09:14pm |
re: #116 Gus 802
Check out their front page.
| 129 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:09:28pm |
re: #118 darthstar
Sure…the people calling President Obama a non-citizen, or a N*** for that matter, are recognized as citizens. Don’t you think our President deserves the same level of respect?
twist words much?
| 130 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:09:32pm |
re: #106 WindUpBird
To clairify, I am saying Birtherism = racism.
An individual person can of course believe in this nonsense without being a racist. Ive listened to enough Art Bell and George Norry during overnight shifts to know about the bonkers stuff people believe in. But I believe the thrust of the movement is racism, it works and has stayed alive for a year because of a critical mass of far-right-wing racists to give it legs.
It’s possible to buy into a racist idea, or a notion with racist overtones without being, in big letters a RACIST.
| 131 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:09:55pm |
re: #21 Walter L. Newton
John Mccain wasn’t even born in any of the 50 states….. was there anything more than a tongue in cheek effort to get him to show his birth certificate?
Old white guy gets a pass on proving citizenship when he isn’t born in any of the States…………
Young black guy, born in Hawai is being pursued by a crowd of white people to produce a legal document…….and even after he does that, and gets given the support of the Governor of that state……. white people still want to see his documents.
| 132 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:10:07pm |
| 133 |
Jaerik Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:10:21pm |
One could argue that debating whether or not Birtherism is racist is actually irrelevant.
If it’s perceived as being so by a sufficiently large percentage of the population (it is), and it’s irreversibly associated with the Republican party (it is), it won’t matter. That’s how elections work.
It’s time to drop the semantic argument and publicly shove these people to the curb if you don’t want to be dragged down with them.
| 135 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:10:32pm |
re: #77 Summer
I completely agree: Not ALL “birthers” are racist. But clearly, all “birthers” are idiots.
Well said. End of thread. Next.
| 136 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:11:11pm |
| 137 |
What, me worry? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:11:22pm |
I think there are people out there who are not convinced he was born here, but aren’t making anything of it. At this point, they don’t care but remain skeptical. They wouldn’t join the Birther movement either.
But to the Birthers themselves (and I’ll acknowledge that the above was meant to be a joke.. ha ha, funny, yea I get it …..) all I can envision when I see them ranting is a big, fat, white sheriff grabbing a young black man by his neck and yelling, “So where ya from boy?” Sorry, but that’s where I go.
| 138 |
McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:11:43pm |
re: #133 Jaerik
One could argue that debating whether or not Birtherism is racist is actually irrelevant.
If it’s perceived as being so by a sufficiently large percentage of the population (it is), and it’s irreversibly associated with the Republican party (it is), it won’t matter. That’s how elections work.
It’s time to drop the semantic argument and publicly shove these people to the curb if you don’t want to be dragged down with them.
This sums it up perfectly. If you don’t want people to call you a racist, don’t hang out with racists.
| 139 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:12:08pm |
re: #114 albusteve
no, they hate him for various reasons…the birth issue is a vehicle to voice their hate
It was always my understanding that if you hated a politician, you discussed things like his integrity, or his foreign policy. And indeed, I see many people doing just that with Obama. I do not understand why an extra vehicle involving deranged conspiracy theories is needed.
Same way I don’t get why it was necessary to accuse the Clintons of murdering people.
| 140 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:12:15pm |
When you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
| 141 |
captdiggs Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:12:30pm |
re: #37 Walter L. Newton
I don’t agree with “Obama everything.” I guess I’m racist, right?
That’s become a standard allegation now for any opposition to Obama’s policies. It’s practically daily fare on the Chris Mathews show.
Racism cuts both ways.
There certainly were people who voted against Obama because he is black, but there were just as many who voted for him just because he is black.
“Birtherism” is just as nutty as those on the left who are still 9/11 “truthers”.
| 142 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:12:40pm |
re: #127 Locker
Not sure if you are being sarcastic so I’ll clarify. A racist can’t come out and scream the second phrase. So they get to express their hatred by screaming the first phrase as loud and as often as they want. I’m not claiming the phrases mean the same thing, only that it’s an acceptable expression of their underlying rage.
no sarc. some may, in fact I am sure some do. But this absolutism just dosen’t fly with me.
| 143 |
researchok Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:12:56pm |
re: #96 Racer X
Wow.
I’m not sure how to respond to that Charles. I honestly looked at this cartoon and laughed. I do not view it as racist. Ridiculous perhaps, but not racist. Didn’t you just state that not all birthers are racists?
I am neither a birther, nor a racist (I’m pretty sure I’m not. Is there a test or something? Was this it? Did I fail?)
As an aside, it bears mentioning that the most insidious kind of racism is institutionalized racism, where people aren’t even aware of the offense. There are good people who are simply unaware.
An example: For some, discrimination that targets Jews is less offensive than blatantly targeting other groups. In the Arab world children are brought up in what is the most racist society in history. In that culture, rejecting racism is considered mental illness!
The same is true of those who reflexively hate all Arabs or Muslims simply because of their religion or ethnicity. Racism can be passive as well as active.
| 144 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:13:12pm |
re: #119 lostlakehiker
Other? If we want to get all scientific about it, Obama is a white American from Kansas. (Well, that’s half right.)
Who said we were being scientific? We are speaking of racists.
| 145 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:13:24pm |
re: #132 Gus 802
And it talks about victory in 2004. And 2006.
It’s kinda weird. They’ve got current anti-Obama, anti-government stories up, but their main page talks about 2004 and 2006.
What weirdos.
| 146 |
Racer X Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:13:44pm |
re: #140 erraticsphinx
When you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
When you raid a whorehouse, you also arrest the piano player.
- Buford T Justice.
| 147 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:13:56pm |
re: #145 Obdicut
And it talks about victory in 2004. And 2006.
It’s kinda weird. They’ve got current anti-Obama, anti-government stories up, but their main page talks about 2004 and 2006.
What weirdos.
I noticed that too. Kind of…half baked?
| 148 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:14:08pm |
re: #114 albusteve
no, they hate him for various reasons…the birth issue is a vehicle to voice their hate
That phenomenon is called confirmation bias, and it is present in racism. Birtherism is not a neutral vehicle. It is a charged, very loaded vehicle, filled with demonizations of The Other, suspicions about Muslims, suspicions about black people. The resentment and tribalism and paranoia, it all flows together. You seem to think they’re these discrete things, like lego blocks. They’re not. They feed into each other, they amplify each other. Why do you think so many liberals love quackery? It plays to their confirmation bias about insurance systems, bureaucracies and their suspicions about “western” medicine.
Right before the election, one of my (occasional) coworkers started going off about how if Obama was elected, he would “end welfare for white people and give only black people the good jobs.” This is what she thought! And this woman was NOT a republican. She’s a great example of someone who is fertile ground for this crap.
| 149 |
Four More Tears Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:14:16pm |
For those who haven’t seen it, here is an animated analysis of the Birther conspiracy.
| 150 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:14:24pm |
re: #120 erraticsphinx
Nobody dares denounce them now, not if they value their job. Welcome to the modern state of the GOP.
This just isn’t healthy for the country. Will people calm down some if the 2010 elections give the GOP a bit back?
| 151 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:14:33pm |
re: #85 erraticsphinx
Hey, who was the last conservative Republican politician to wholeheartedly denounce this crazy conspiracy theory?
Just askin’ questions.
And a damned good question it is.
| 152 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:15:28pm |
re: #67 Walter L. Newton
If there was, I would care.
And I have heard Jesse Jackson on his radio show suggest that it was racist reasons that conservatives do not want to pass health care, so please, don’t assume it doesn’t happen.
Jesse Jackson has been known to say this sort of shit for decades.
| 153 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:15:48pm |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
It was always my understanding that if you hated a politician, you discussed things like his integrity, or his foreign policy. And indeed, I see many people doing just that with Obama. I do not understand why an extra vehicle involving deranged conspiracy theories is needed.
Same way I don’t get why it was necessary to accuse the Clintons of murdering people.
his birth issue is racist because racists want it to be….as for the Clintons, nothing is beneath those cretins…but now we’ll never know
| 154 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:17:29pm |
re: #152 WindUpBird
Jesse Jackson has been known to say this sort of shit for decades.
It is a new trick for Harry Reid though…
| 155 |
Jaerik Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:17:37pm |
re: #148 WindUpBird
It plays to their confirmation bias about insurance systems, bureaucracies and their suspicions about “western” medicine.
I find it hysterical that the Huffington Post can scream about people dying daily from lack of health insurance reform, right next to an entire skyscraper div linking to other HuffPo articles saying nectarine pits cure cancer, and measles vaccines cause autism.
| 156 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:17:40pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
I think they might calm down a little bit, but by 2012 the birther movement will be back in swing.
| 157 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:17:49pm |
re: #142 brookly red
no sarc. some may, in fact I am sure some do. But this absolutism just dosen’t fly with me.
What absolutism? I said “some birthers” right?
| 158 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:18:00pm |
re: #141 captdiggs
That’s become a standard allegation now for any opposition to Obama’s policies. It’s practically daily fare on the Chris Mathews show.
Racism cuts both ways.
There certainly were people who voted against Obama because he is black, but there were just as many who voted for him just because he is black.
“Birtherism” is just as nutty as those on the left who are still 9/11 “truthers”.
The difference is Truthers are not in congress.
GOP congresspeople who dog whistle to birthers *are* in congress.
Your false equivalency is showing!
| 159 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:18:22pm |
| 160 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:18:57pm |
| 161 |
McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:19:20pm |
re: #153 albusteve
his birth issue is racist because racists want it to be…as for the Clintons, nothing is beneath those cretins…but now we’ll never know
“now we’ll never know”? Sounds ominous.
| 162 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:20:27pm |
re: #157 Locker
What absolutism? I said “some birthers” right?
lemmie check…
Not sure if you are being sarcastic so I’ll clarify. A racist can’t come out and scream the second phrase. So they get to express their hatred by screaming the first phrase as loud and as often as they want. I’m not claiming the phrases mean the same thing, only that it’s an acceptable expression of their underlying rage.
nope don’t see the word some here.
| 163 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:20:32pm |
re: #161 McSpiff
“now we’ll never know”? Sounds ominous.
their whole story is ominuous…lots of deceased people back down their trail
| 164 |
Jaerik Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:20:40pm |
re: #152 WindUpBird
Jesse Jackson has been known to say this sort of shit for decades.
It’s also funny that Jackson’s attempt to get an invite to the Obama White House was rejected, his offer to mediate with the Taliban was denied, and he was forced to stand in the crowd at Obama’s acceptance speech and cry pitifully.
The guy has been too toxic for any Democratic politicians to go near for years now, and good riddance.
Republicans need to do the same thing with the Birthers.
| 165 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:21:20pm |
re: #155 Jaerik
I find it hysterical that the Huffington Post can scream about people dying daily from lack of health insurance reform, right next to an entire skyscraper div linking to other HuffPo articles saying nectarine pits cure cancer, and measles vaccines cause autism.
Ugh, no kidding. Witness why HuffPo makes me facepalm on a daily basis. The autism thing in particular makes me want to eat my Wacom pen in frustration.
| 166 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:21:34pm |
re: #141 captdiggs
Nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Please, a link and attribution to a statement made by a reasonable commentator or presenter that says all opposition is racist…………. one for everyday since Jan 20th please.
| 167 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:21:47pm |
| 168 |
McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:21:47pm |
re: #163 albusteve
their whole story is ominuous…lots of deceased people back down their trail
Hadn’t heard about this (clinton left office when I was about 12), link?
| 169 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:21:48pm |
re: #162 brookly red
lemmie check…
Not sure if you are being sarcastic so I’ll clarify. A racist can’t come out and scream the second phrase. So they get to express their hatred by screaming the first phrase as loud and as often as they want. I’m not claiming the phrases mean the same thing, only that it’s an acceptable expression of their underlying rage.nope don’t see the word some here.
I can’t find it either.
| 170 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:21:49pm |
President ask uninvited guest for invitation. Guest asks president to show his birth certificate first because “he shouldn’t be in the White House” and “won’t display his nirth certificate!”
Hence they’re saying that Obama is the “uninvited president.”
Rather disgraceful.
| 171 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:21:53pm |
re: #149 JasonA
For those who haven’t seen it, here is an animated analysis of the Birther conspiracy.
Oh. Dear.
That’s pretty damn good.
| 172 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:22:06pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
This just isn’t healthy for the country. Will people calm down some if the 2010 elections give the GOP a bit back?
Not these GOP cheerleaers. They will just claim history is returning to its proper course.
| 173 |
jayzee Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:22:28pm |
This offends me on so many levels. First is the stupidity of the argument, secondly is the way xenophobes (and now mainstream GOP) have gravitated to this bullshit and thirdly is it is just not funny. WTF are there really no funny GOPers in positions of power?
| 174 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:22:38pm |
re: #164 Jaerik
It’s also funny that Jackson’s attempt to get an invite to the Obama White House was rejected, his offer to mediate with the Taliban was denied, and he was forced to stand in the crowd at Obama’s acceptance speech and cry pitifully.
The guy has been too toxic for any Democratic politicians to go near for years now, and good riddance.
Republicans need to do the same thing with the Birthers.
the birthers are not one guy and thus a bit harder to disconnect from…that’s not the GOPs mode right now anyway…they seem to be officially sanctioning this type of lunacy
| 175 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:22:52pm |
re: #152 WindUpBird
Jesse Jackson has been known to say this sort of shit for decades.
Of course, he also said that he wanted to castrate Obama, so I’m not sure whether to consider him pro- or anti- on this administration.
| 176 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:22:54pm |
re: #166 wozzablog
Nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Please, a link and attribution to a statement made by a reasonable commentator or presenter that says all opposition is racist… one for everyday since Jan 20th please.
| 177 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:22:58pm |
| 178 |
Jeff In Ohio Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:23:06pm |
re: #149 JasonA
Praise Satan! And look, the evil witch doctor is an environmentalist bent on destroying capitalism and replacing it with the red menace! OH NO!!! Do the poor planning Kenyans realize they are being dupe by the worldwide communist conspiracy???? ON NO!!! A DOUBLE DUPING!!!!!
Praise Satan!!
| 179 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:23:19pm |
| 180 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:23:36pm |
re: #162 brookly red
lemmie check…
Not sure if you are being sarcastic so I’ll clarify. A racist can’t come out and scream the second phrase. So they get to express their hatred by screaming the first phrase as loud and as often as they want. I’m not claiming the phrases mean the same thing, only that it’s an acceptable expression of their underlying rage.nope don’t see the word some here.
WTF man? Quote the original comment you hit me on why don’t you. Here I’ll do it for you:
re: #93 Locker
It seems a bit hard to believe that some these birther folks could really hate Obama as much as they do, with as much fervor as is being demonstrated simply because of a birth certificate. It’s almost like the phrase:
HE’S NOT A CITIZEN!
is just a substitute for:
HE’S A N***!
| 181 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:23:41pm |
re: #168 McSpiff
Hadn’t heard about this (clinton left office when I was about 12), link?
google Clinton and dead people, start from there…I have no links
| 182 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:23:46pm |
re: #176 Walter L. Newton
Carter’s comments came a day after he said racial politics played a role in South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson’s outburst during Obama’s speech to Congress last week and in some of the opposition the president has faced since taking office.
| 183 |
lostlakehiker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:24:17pm |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
It was always my understanding that if you hated a politician, you discussed things like his integrity, or his foreign policy. And indeed, I see many people doing just that with Obama. I do not understand why an extra vehicle involving deranged conspiracy theories is needed.
Same way I don’t get why it was necessary to accuse the Clintons of murdering people.
No one accuses Obama in this regard, and the difference is that there are no facts that even tangentially support the charge. The Clintons had the bad luck to have a lot of people die whose death was convenient to them, or could be painted as convenient. They had the further bad luck that this pattern of deaths went back to Arkansas.
| 184 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:24:27pm |
re: #169 Walter L. Newton
Gee your completely unable to track back 2 whole posts as well? Seriously?
| 185 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:24:44pm |
re: #165 WindUpBird
Ugh, no kidding. Witness why HuffPo makes me facepalm on a daily basis. The autism thing in particular makes me want to eat my Wacom pen in frustration.
Don’t do that. I hear the ink can cause autism.
/
| 186 |
Jeff In Ohio Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:24:52pm |
re: #155 Jaerik
Hey, if it wasn’t for HuffPo, I’d have no idea what was up with Lindsay Lohan. Truth!
| 187 |
McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:25:07pm |
re: #181 albusteve
google Clinton and dead people, start from there…I have no links
Fair enough, just wondering if someone had separated the wheat from the chaff. Google searches like that tend to lead you into bad crazy.
| 188 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:25:16pm |
re: #176 Walter L. Newton
And that’s one of the few times in recent memory when I happen to agree 100% with Jimmy Carter: Carter again cites racism as factor in Obama’s treatment.
“When a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the United States as an animal or as a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried Obama with Kennedy, those kinds of things are beyond the bounds,” the Democrat who served from 1977-1981 told students at Emory University.
“I think people who are guilty of that kind of personal attack against Obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be African American.
“It’s a racist attitude, and my hope is and my expectation is that in the future both Democratic leaders and Republican leaders will take the initiative in condemning that kind of unprecedented attack on the president of the United States,” Carter said.
Every word of that is on the money. And he is not saying that ALL opposition is racist. You really should try reading what he actually said.
| 189 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:25:17pm |
re: #184 Locker
Gee your completely unable to track back 2 whole posts as well? Seriously?
My Mistake.
| 190 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:25:38pm |
re: #173 jayzee
This offends me on so many levels. First is the stupidity of the argument, secondly is the way xenophobes (and now mainstream GOP) have gravitated to this bullshit and thirdly is it is just not funny. WTF are there really no funny GOPers in positions of power?
Huckabee is hilarious. Also a deranged theocrat. You have to decide what’s most important to you.
| 191 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:25:50pm |
re: #188 Charles
Every word of that is on the money. And he is not saying that ALL opposition is racist. You really should try reading what he actually said.
“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he’s African-American,” Carter told “NBC Nightly News.”
| 192 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:26:11pm |
re: #160 Walter L. Newton
And… ?
What I’m saying is it’s not news and Jesse Jackson is not credible, and not really being ushered into the inner corridors of power. You might as well bring up Cynthia McKinney for all the relevance that would lend to the discussion.
You want to elevate some false equivalency between Jesse Jackson and elected GOP members raising questions about how Obama secretly isn’t actually president because he is a foreigner. There is no equivalency.
| 193 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:27:06pm |
re: #182 Walter L. Newton
Carter’s comments came a day after he said racial politics played a role in South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson’s outburst during Obama’s speech to Congress last week and in some of the opposition the president has faced since taking office.
Rep. Joe Wilson is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, and fought to keep the Dixie flag flying in South Carolina.
Bad example, if you’re trying to argue against the idea that there’s racism in the GOP.
| 194 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:27:20pm |
re: #167 brookly red
same subject different mouthpiece…
Harry Reid runs Rainbow/Push? Funny, I didn’t see that on the wiki…
| 195 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:27:37pm |
re: #183 lostlakehiker
No one accuses Obama in this regard, and the difference is that there are no facts that even tangentially support the charge. The Clintons had the bad luck to have a lot of people die whose death was convenient to them, or could be painted as convenient. They had the further bad luck that this pattern of deaths went back to Arkansas.
I think you missed my point. The birther accusations are just as stupid as the Clinton murder accusations, although, I suppose, rather less evil.
| 196 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:27:48pm |
re: #193 Charles
Rep. Joe Wilson is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, and fought to keep the Dixie flag flying in South Carolina.
Bad example, if you’re trying to argue against the idea that there’s racism in the GOP.
Robert Byrd comes up in 3, 2, 1…
| 197 |
jayzee Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:27:53pm |
re: #190 SanFranciscoZionist
Huckabee is hilarious. Also a deranged theocrat. You have to decide what’s most important to you.
I don’t think he’s funny, intentionally at least. But we agree on the latter.
| 198 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:27:58pm |
re: #193 Charles
No prob, it’s just “his heritage”.
//
| 199 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:01pm |
re: #176 Walter L. Newton
I can clearly, oh so clearly, see how this:
“When a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the United States as an animal or as a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried Obama with Kennedy, those kinds of things are beyond the bounds,”
“I think people who are guilty of that kind of personal attack against Obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be African American.
Morphs into a reasonable media figure, comentator or politico saying:
“All critiscim of the President is racist.”
no, no i can’t, help me out here…………….
| 200 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:09pm |
re: #125 iceweasel
it’s clear and the concern trolls are out in force tonight.
| 201 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:10pm |
re: #187 McSpiff
Fair enough, just wondering if someone had separated the wheat from the chaff. Google searches like that tend to lead you into bad crazy.
There is no wheat. This whole thing is bad crazy.
| 202 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:11pm |
re: #191 Walter L. Newton
“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he’s African-American,” Carter told “NBC Nightly News.”
I agree with that.
| 203 |
Ugly John Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:12pm |
re: #187 McSpiff
You should start with the snopes site review of the “Clinton Death List”. There is very little fact or reason contained in most of the internet posts about the “people Bill Clinton had killed”.
| 204 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:29pm |
re: #188 Charles
Every word of that is on the money. And he is not saying that ALL opposition is racist. You really should try reading what he actually said.
Opposition to Obama Health Care Reform Driven by Racism Not Fear of Increasing Debt
You can find enough examples of people claiming it’s racism when Obama is opposed.
Gather all this together, and you can always find someone claiming that opposition to Obama is racist.
I just found two examples quickly.
| 205 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:42pm |
re: #198 erraticsphinx
No prob, it’s just “his heritage”.
//
“It was purely for reenactment purposes.”
| 206 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:43pm |
| 207 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:53pm |
re: #180 Locker
oh you did say some after all… my bad
but still
HE’S NOT A CITIZEN!
is just a substitute for:
HE’S A N***!
is a broad race card playing brush.
| 208 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:29:20pm |
re: #204 Walter L. Newton
Who the hell is Ray Hanania?
| 209 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:29:30pm |
re: #193 Charles
Rep. Joe Wilson is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, and fought to keep the Dixie flag flying in South Carolina.
Bad example, if you’re trying to argue against the idea that there’s racism in the GOP.
When did I say there isn’t any racism in the GOP. There is a ton of it. I am saying that not all opposition to Obama is racist. Yet I can keep finding examples on policy issue after policy issue where someone will be claiming opposition is because of racism.
| 210 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:29:49pm |
re: #208 Obdicut
No idea, but apparently it’s supposed to prove a huge point.
| 211 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:29:59pm |
re: #193 Charles
Rep. Joe Wilson is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, and fought to keep the Dixie flag flying in South Carolina.
Bad example, if you’re trying to argue against the idea that there’s racism in the GOP.
Is there a Daughters of Confederate Veterans, and can you join if you’re opposed to the Confederacy? I haven’t found any Confederate ancestors yet, but if I did, that would be even funnier than me joining the DAR.
| 212 |
jayzee Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:30:28pm |
re: #204 Walter L. Newton
Opposition to Obama Health Care Reform Driven by Racism Not Fear of Increasing Debt
You can find enough examples of people claiming it’s racism when Obama is opposed.
Gather all this together, and you can always find someone claiming that opposition to Obama is racist.
I just found two examples quickly.
I think that’s one of the reasons it is so important to clean up the cesspool that the right is becoming. The ugly fringe is invalidating all legitimate concerns.
| 213 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:30:37pm |
re: #191 Walter L. Newton
“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he’s African-American,” Carter told “NBC Nightly News.”
You don’t believe that the people who hate Obama’s guts are coming from a place of racism?
I don’t mean people who dislike his policies, who know their politics, could tell you what cloture means, and can discuss Keynesian versus Austrian school. I mean (And Carter means) the people who HATE HIM personally.
| 214 |
Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:30:42pm |
re: #149 JasonA
For those who haven’t seen it, here is an animated analysis of the Birther conspiracy.
Holy Satan!
I had no idea the CIA was monitoring Kenya via CCTV in 1960…UNTIL NOW!
| 215 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:30:51pm |
re: #187 McSpiff
Fair enough, just wondering if someone had separated the wheat from the chaff. Google searches like that tend to lead you into bad crazy.
his days as gov of Arkansas is loaded with all kinds of crazy shit…mobsters, coke, campaign finances, money laundering….the Whitewater gig are all connected….his profound misuse of the Ark State police, all his woman, his wife complicity in various cover ups for sexual behavior….follow the beginnings of the Paula Jones story and Hilary’s FBI filegate…there is a ton of stuff on the net, but once he became POTUS alot vanished…even people
| 216 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:31:14pm |
re: #208 Obdicut
Who the hell is Ray Hanania?
Who the hell cares. It’s on Huffington, that’s a rather “go to” web source of information, it’s not like he’s writing on some cheap assed Blogspot page.
| 218 |
Four More Tears Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:31:28pm |
re: #209 Walter L. Newton
When did I say there isn’t any racism in the GOP. There is a ton of it. I am saying that not all opposition to Obama is racist. Yet I can keep finding examples on policy issue after policy issue where someone will be claiming opposition is because of racism.
I don’t think anyone here is arguing that all opposition to Obama is racist. Disagreement does not equal animosity.
| 219 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:31:28pm |
re: #209 Walter L. Newton
When did I say there isn’t any racism in the GOP. There is a ton of it. I am saying that not all opposition to Obama is racist. Yet I can keep finding examples on policy issue after policy issue where someone will be claiming opposition is because of racism.
You brought up Joe Wilson, not me.
| 220 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:31:35pm |
re: #210 erraticsphinx
No idea, but apparently it’s supposed to prove a huge point.
It’s on a “huge” website, Huffington Post.
| 221 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:31:43pm |
re: #207 brookly red
oh you did say some after all… my bad
but still
HE’S NOT A CITIZEN!is just a substitute for:
HE’S A N***!
is a broad race card playing brush.
I can make a very pretty painting with a broad brush. 8-)
| 223 |
Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:31:52pm |
re: #173 jayzee
WTF are there really no funny GOPers in positions of power?
Yes!
Oh wait, you meant ‘funny-haha’, not ‘funny-peculiar’.
:(
| 224 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:32:03pm |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
Is there a Daughters of Confederate Veterans, and can you join if you’re opposed to the Confederacy? I haven’t found any Confederate ancestors yet, but if I did, that would be even funnier than me joining the DAR.
There is a United Daughters of the Confederacy.
| 225 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:32:15pm |
re: #213 WindUpBird
You don’t believe that the people who hate Obama’s guts are coming from a place of racism?
I don’t mean people who dislike his policies, who know their politics, could tell you what cloture means, and can discuss Keynesian versus Austrian school. I mean (And Carter means) the people who HATE HIM personally.
If yo unoticed, I am talking about policy.
| 226 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:32:21pm |
re: #191 Walter L. Newton
From reading that article i define what carter meant by
intensely demonstrated animosity
as being what he said here…….
a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the United States as an animal or as a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried Obama with Kennedy,
(which, by the way, still does not translate as “reasonable critiscm of a policy position being racist” and never will)
| 227 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:32:32pm |
re: #215 albusteve
his days as gov of Arkansas is loaded with all kinds of crazy shit…mobsters, coke, campaign finances, money laundering…the Whitewater gig are all connected…his profound misuse of the Ark State police, all his woman, his wife complicity in various cover ups for sexual behavior…follow the beginnings of the Paula Jones story and Hilary’s FBI filegate…there is a ton of stuff on the net, but once he became POTUS alot vanished…even people
Whitewater!
Okay, tell me more about Whitewater from your perspective.
| 228 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:32:36pm |
re: #197 jayzee
I don’t think he’s funny, intentionally at least. But we agree on the latter.
He’s actually very entertaining to listen to. Has a pleasant, low-key sense of humor. Very modest, times a joke well.
Batshit theocrat.
| 229 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:32:43pm |
re: #207 brookly red
Thank you Locker, you have my respect.
| 230 |
McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:32:54pm |
re: #215 albusteve
his days as gov of Arkansas is loaded with all kinds of crazy shit…mobsters, coke, campaign finances, money laundering…the Whitewater gig are all connected…his profound misuse of the Ark State police, all his woman, his wife complicity in various cover ups for sexual behavior…follow the beginnings of the Paula Jones story and Hilary’s FBI filegate…there is a ton of stuff on the net, but once he became POTUS alot vanished…even people
That’s some pretty heavy stuff to accuse a former POTUS of. Extraordinaire claims require extraordinaire evidence.
| 231 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:32:56pm |
re: #193 Charles
Rep. Joe Wilson is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, and fought to keep the Dixie flag flying in South Carolina.
Bad example, if you’re trying to argue against the idea that there’s racism in the GOP.
I still own the domain name for a site that my son built when he was 11 years old, scanning and uploading all kinds of public domain Civil War images.
Because there is a selection of Confederate flags on that site, once in a while some nazi/kkk asshole will hotlink for its avatar. That’s when they get pwn3d by the Zionist Hotlink Squad.
BWAHAHA!
| 232 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:33:03pm |
re: #207 brookly red
oh you did say some after all… my bad
but still
HE’S NOT A CITIZEN!is just a substitute for:
HE’S A N***!
is a broad race card playing brush.
Right just to clarify. I’m not saying anyone who says he’s not a citizen is racist. Really. I don’t do absolutes either. I’m just saying that someone who is a racist and does hate Obama seems to scream the phrase with spit coming out of their mouth and their face all contorted. They are using an “acceptable phrase” but what’s behind it has a totally different meaning.
Once again if I gave the impression that anyone questioning his citizenship is a racist, I apologize. Shit my Grandma questions it and she’s just a naive, little old lady who believes certain things she gets in church email groups. And she’s not a racist that I know of that’s for sure.
| 233 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:33:11pm |
re: #91 Charles
That would be … nobody.
Actually, that would be Michael Steele, a fairly well known Republican, in July of this year.
In response to my questions about Steele’s views of birtherism, which holds that Obama wasn’t born in the United States and thus isn’t legitimately the president, RNC spokesperson Gail Gitcho sent me the following statement:“Chairman Steele believes that this is an unnecessary distraction and believes that the president is a U.S. citizen. Chairman Steele wants to move beyond this conversation and continue discussing the real and immediate concerns that face American families like the economy and health care. Americans are concerned with President Obama’s health care plan, a failed stimulus package and a ballooning deficit. Chairman Steele has many other issues to take up with the president that have to do with policy, not a birth certificate.”
Better late than never I suppose.
| 234 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:33:31pm |
re: #200 WindUpBird
it’s clear and the concern trolls are out in force tonight.
TonyC isn’t here tho…who’s your troll of the evening this time?…people that have a casual opinion that does not jibe with yours?…calling honest, longtime posters trolls is really bad form
| 235 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:33:34pm |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
Is there a Daughters of Confederate Veterans, and can you join if you’re opposed to the Confederacy? I haven’t found any Confederate ancestors yet, but if I did, that would be even funnier than me joining the DAR.
No, of course not. Back then in the good ol’ days, women knew their place.
| 236 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:34:28pm |
re: #226 wozzablog
| 237 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:34:37pm |
re: #233 CyanSnowHawk
Actually, that would be Michael Steele, a fairly well known Republican, in July of this year.
“An unnecessary distraction” isn’t exactly the most ringing condemnation I’ve ever heard.
| 238 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:34:47pm |
re: #225 Walter L. Newton
If yo unoticed, I am talking about policy.
You may be, but we really weren’t. I have no problems with policy criticisms of Obama. I have many policy criticisms of Obama. I was talking about a conspiracy theory spearheaded and stoked by racists.
| 239 |
researchok Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:35:03pm |
re: #191 Walter L. Newton
“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he’s African-American,” Carter told “NBC Nightly News.”
The vast majority of opposition Obama faces is political. There is no doubt he is a polarizing figure. Most people express that oppostion appropriately.
It is fair to say that most of “the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man…”
Again, the people who are making the most noise are a minority- and there is no question that racism fuels the bulk of that frenzied animus.
| 240 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:35:06pm |
re: #230 McSpiff
That’s some pretty heavy stuff to accuse a former POTUS of. Extraordinaire claims require extraordinaire evidence.
Let him talk! I want to hear more. 8-)
| 242 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:35:24pm |
re: #231 Alouette
You go, man! Hotlinked revenge is best served, er, hot.
| 243 |
What, me worry? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:35:37pm |
Obama, himself, said that he’s aware people will hate him because he’s Black and there will be people who love him because he’s Black, but most people will listen to him and judge him on his policies and ideas.
I believe it’s true, though, when he’s unkindly judged, it’s usually because he’s a Democrat, not a Black man.
| 244 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:35:46pm |
re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist
He’s actually very entertaining to listen to. Has a pleasant, low-key sense of humor. Very modest, times a joke well.
Batshit theocrat.
He is openly religious. I can’t see where he let his religion drive public policy during his 4 years. Not especially batshit, not much of a theocrat.
| 245 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:36:12pm |
re: #193 Charles
Rep. Joe Wilson is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, and fought to keep the Dixie flag flying in South Carolina.
Bad example, if you’re trying to argue against the idea that there’s racism in the GOP.
And putting up Carter is bad example that there’s non in the Dems
Carter pledged to invite Alabama’s infamous segregationist governor George Wallace to Georgia if elected. He once said he was proud to have segregationist Lester Maddox as his lieutenant governor following the 1970 election, calling him the essence of the Democratic Party
| 246 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:36:20pm |
re: #236 Walter L. Newton
My point being, there is a lot of comparing opposition of Obama’s POLICIES as racism. Yes, there are a lot of racist in the GOP, but not everyone who opposes Obama’s policies are racist.
I like some of the things he’s done and I am against other things he has done and wants to do.
There is NO WAY THAT MAKES ME A RACIST. PERIOD.
| 247 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:36:25pm |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
Is there a Daughters of Confederate Veterans, and can you join if you’re opposed to the Confederacy? I haven’t found any Confederate ancestors yet, but if I did, that would be even funnier than me joining the DAR.
There is a Daughters of the Confederacy organization. I think they are a legit geneaology organization, and even accept African-Americans (as long as they can prove their ancestors fought for the Confederacy—the charter doesn’t specify voluntary).
| 248 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:36:35pm |
It’s my fault red took it that way Charles. I wasn’t clear in my comment.
| 249 |
McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:36:49pm |
re: #240 WindUpBird
Let him talk! I want to hear more. 8-)
O I’m not saying it doesn’t exist. But suggesting I google clinton and death list doesn’t reach the standard of proof for me.
| 250 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:36:50pm |
re: #230 McSpiff
That’s some pretty heavy stuff to accuse a former POTUS of. Extraordinaire claims require extraordinaire evidence.
We gave Ken Starr millions to find evidence, and all we got was a lousy blue dress.
| 251 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:37:01pm |
re: #245 sattv4u2
What’s Carter up to these days?
| 252 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:37:05pm |
re: #239 researchok
The vast majority of opposition Obama faces is political. There is no doubt he is a polarizing figure. Most people express that oppostion appropriately.
It is fair to say that most of “the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man…”
Again, the people who are making the most noise are a minority- and there is no question that racism fuels the bulk of that frenzied animus.
I never said that there isn’t racism fueling opposition. But not ALL opposition is racist. Right?
| 253 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:37:30pm |
re: #246 Walter L. Newton
No one is calling you a racist.
| 254 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:37:47pm |
re: #246 Walter L. Newton
My point being, there is a lot of comparing opposition of Obama’s POLICIES as racism. Yes, there are a lot of racist in the GOP, but not everyone who opposes Obama’s policies are racist.
I’m pretty sure nobody is saying that everybody who opposes Obama’s policies is a racist. And neither was Jimmy Carter.
| 255 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:37:56pm |
| 256 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:38:13pm |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
Is there a Daughters of Confederate Veterans, and can you join if you’re opposed to the Confederacy? I haven’t found any Confederate ancestors yet, but if I did, that would be even funnier than me joining the DAR.
re: #235 Charles
No, of course not. Back then in the good ol’ days, women knew their place.
Whoa!
There is indeed a United Daughters of the Confederacy.
I am a Daughter of the Confederacy because I was born a Daughter of the Confederacy. A part of my heritage was that I came into this world with the blood of a soldier in my veins…a soldier who may have had nothing more to leave behind to me and to those who come after me except in heritage…a heritage so rich in honor and glory that it far surpasses any material wealth that could be mine. But it is mine, to cherish, to nurture and to make grace, and to pass along to those yet to come. I am, therefore, a Daughter of the Confederacy because it is my birthright.
I am a Daughter of the Confederacy because I have an obligation to perform. Like the man in the Bible, I was given a talent and it is my duty to do something about it. That is why I’ve joined a group of ladies whose birthright is the same as mine…an organization which has for its purpose the continuance and furtherance of the true history of the South and the ideals of southern womanhood as embodied in its Constitution.I am a member of The United Daughters of the Confederacy because I feel it would greatly please my ancestor to know that I am a member. It would please him to know that I appreciate what he did and delight his soldier love to know that I do not consider the cause which he held so dear to be lost or forgotten. Rather, I am extremely proud of the fact that he was a part of it and was numbered among some of the greatest and bravest men which any such cause ever produced.
I am a Daughter of the Confederacy because I can no more help being a Daughter of the Confederacy than I can help being an American, and I feel that I was greatly favored by inheriting a birthright for both.
Reine is ineligible because the fambly was not here yet. Ineligible for DAR; inelgible for Daughters of the Confederacy, a real noob, I am.
| 257 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:38:14pm |
re: #238 WindUpBird
You may be, but we really weren’t. I have no problems with policy criticisms of Obama. I have many policy criticisms of Obama. I was talking about a conspiracy theory spearheaded and stoked by racists.
Who really wasn’t? Policy has been part of the discussion, and that’s what I have been zeroing in on.
| 258 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:38:26pm |
re: #252 Walter L. Newton
I never said that there isn’t racism fueling opposition. But not ALL opposition is racist. Right?
We all agree on this. When did we ever say otherwise?
| 259 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:38:56pm |
re: #244 Decatur Deb
He is openly religious. I can’t see where he let his religion drive public policy during his 4 years. Not especially batshit, not much of a theocrat.
From Huckabee:
“[Some of my opponents] do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it’s a lot easier to change the constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that’s what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards,” Huckabee said, referring to the need for a constitutional human life amendment and an amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.
| 261 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:39:08pm |
re: #253 erraticsphinx
No one is calling you a racist.
Where did I say anyone was calling me a racist? I was declaring that I wasn’t. Show me where I said someone was calling me a racist?
| 262 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:39:15pm |
Maybe I’m naive, or maybe it’s because I was raised in Biloxi, Mississippi in the late 60s and witnessed extreme examples of real racism, but it just never occurred to me that birthers=racists.
Maybe ( // in this kinder and gentler America) I’m wrong.
| 263 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:39:16pm |
| 264 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:39:21pm |
re: #252 Walter L. Newton
I never said that there isn’t racism fueling opposition. But not ALL opposition is racist. Right?
you just can’t win…you get boxed in with semantics
| 265 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:39:39pm |
re: #257 Walter L. Newton
Who really wasn’t? Policy has been part of the discussion, and that’s what I have been zeroing in on.
Charles blog post was about mainstreaming birtherism. Which has nothing to do with policy. I was discussing mainstreaming birtherism.
| 266 |
researchok Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:40:05pm |
re: #252 Walter L. Newton
I never said that there isn’t racism fueling opposition. But not ALL opposition is racist. Right?
You are absolutely right!
In fact, the hard left is using the racism charge because like spaghetti thrown on a wall, they know some of it will stick.
MSNBC and others are baiting the racists because they know on any given day, they can point to a few idiots and paint the right with a broad brush.
| 267 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:40:31pm |
re: #247 Alouette
There is a Daughters of the Confederacy organization. I think they are a legit geneaology organization, and even accept African-Americans (as long as they can prove their ancestors fought for the Confederacy—the charter doesn’t specify voluntary).
OT:
I worked as a transcriptionist in the distant past, and one of the projects I did was about Percy Julian, first black chemist to run his own chemicals company in the US.
One of his father’s friends was telling a story about Julian’s father, James standing by the side of the road in the small town he lived in Illionois, arms crossed, watching a KKK march go by— just to show that he wasn’t scared of them at all.
One of the KKK gusy, behooded and all, walked over to him. Percy’s dad braced for trouble, but the KKK guy took his hood off, and it was a (white) friend of his, who said, “Come march with us, James! You ain’t no damned Catholic!”
| 268 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:41:11pm |
re: #259 SanFranciscoZionist
From Huckabee:
“[Some of my opponents] do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it’s a lot easier to change the constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that’s what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards,” Huckabee said, referring to the need for a constitutional human life amendment and an amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.
Huckabee is a smiling theocrat. His “aw shucks” routine masks a person who is completely committed to subverting the US Constitution and the intent of the founding fathers to keep a bright line of separation between church and state.
| 269 |
Jeff In Ohio Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:41:12pm |
re: #247 Alouette
There is a Daughters of the Confederacy organization. I think they are a legit geneaology organization, and even accept African-Americans (as long as they can prove their ancestors fought for the Confederacy—the charter doesn’t specify voluntary).
If by voluntary you meant their black ancestors fought voluntarily, the other option is like my family. My great grandfather, who was white, fought for the Confederacy and fathered 5 children with a house slave. Their ancestors, my cousins, would be eligible, as I would.
| 270 |
SteveC Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:41:24pm |
re: #245 sattv4u2
And putting up Carter is bad example that there’s non in the Dems
Carter pledged to invite Alabama’s infamous segregationist governor George Wallace to Georgia if elected. He once said he was proud to have segregationist Lester Maddox as his lieutenant governor following the 1970 election, calling him the essence of the Democratic Party
Hre in South Carolina, the Governor and Lieutenant Governor do not run as a ticket. You can be elected Governor yet someone with completely opposite beliefs could be elected Lt. Governor - or vice versa.
It’s a screwed up state - but our way, at least, if you’re elected with someone you don’t like, you don’t have to claim him!
| 271 |
Velvet Elvis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:42:11pm |
re: #256 reine.de.tout
Yeah, they are pretty active around here and meat openly, sponsor charity events, etc.
| 272 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:42:14pm |
re: #256 reine.de.tout
When I read that, all I hear is “the flower of Southern poultryhood”. I hear the same thing every time my Senator, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, is introduced.
| 273 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:42:27pm |
re: #268 Charles
Huckabee is a smiling theocrat. His “aw shucks” routine masks a person who is completely committed to subverting the US Constitution and the intent of the founding fathers to keep a bright line of separation between church and state.
I wanted to think better of that guy, but yeah. :(
| 274 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:42:30pm |
re: #267 Obdicut
OT:
I worked as a transcriptionist in the distant past, and one of the projects I did was about Percy Julian, first black chemist to run his own chemicals company in the US.
One of his father’s friends was telling a story about Julian’s father, James standing by the side of the road in the small town he lived in Illionois, arms crossed, watching a KKK march go by— just to show that he wasn’t scared of them at all.
One of the KKK gusy, behooded and all, walked over to him. Percy’s dad braced for trouble, but the KKK guy took his hood off, and it was a (white) friend of his, who said, “Come march with us, James! You ain’t no damned Catholic!”
Hey, where the white women at?
| 275 |
Velvet Elvis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:42:32pm |
re: #271 Conservative Moonbat
Yeah, they are pretty active around here and meat openly, sponsor charity events, etc.
meet
PIMF
| 276 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:42:38pm |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
Is there a Daughters of Confederate Veterans, and can you join if you’re opposed to the Confederacy? I haven’t found any Confederate ancestors yet, but if I did, that would be even funnier than me joining the DAR.
Man my Grandma (the one mentioned slightly up thread) makes all of us grand kids join the forking Francis Cooke Society. I advise against any requests for roles in reenactments.
| 278 |
SteveC Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:43:12pm |
re: #251 Obdicut
What’s Carter up to these days?
About 15 feet.
//That’s him putting shingles on the roof of that Habitat for Humanity house over there.
| 279 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:43:13pm |
re: #261 Walter L. Newton
Umm….Ok.
Your posts keep on repeating the theme of “Not all opposition to Obama is racist” and then finally you said “I’m not a racist”.
Great. Nobody said you were.
| 280 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:43:13pm |
re: #270 SteveC
Hre in South Carolina, the Governor and Lieutenant Governor do not run as a ticket. You can be elected Governor yet someone with completely opposite beliefs could be elected Lt. Governor - or vice versa.
It’s a screwed up state - but our way, at least, if you’re elected with someone you don’t like, you don’t have to claim him!
Carter didn’t have to “claim” Wallace. and he didn’t have to put out photos of his opponent for Governor (Carl Sanders) posing with blacks, yet he did
| 281 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:43:30pm |
re: #274 Alouette
One of the best movies about race relations in the US ever made.
Good scene about beans, too.
| 282 |
Velvet Elvis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:43:38pm |
re: #273 WindUpBird
I wanted to think better of that guy, but yeah. :(
That’s what’s scary about him. I find myself nodding along with what he says and wanting to like the guy despite the fact that his words make my blood curdle.
| 283 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:43:49pm |
re: #267 Obdicut
OT:
I worked as a transcriptionist in the distant past, and one of the projects I did was about Percy Julian, first black chemist to run his own chemicals company in the US.
One of his father’s friends was telling a story about Julian’s father, James standing by the side of the road in the small town he lived in Illionois, arms crossed, watching a KKK march go by— just to show that he wasn’t scared of them at all.
One of the KKK gusy, behooded and all, walked over to him. Percy’s dad braced for trouble, but the KKK guy took his hood off, and it was a (white) friend of his, who said, “Come march with us, James! You ain’t no damned Catholic!”
That is completely wonderful.
My great-grandfather tried to join the Klan at one point. I wonder what he would have said if he’d known he was going to have a Catholic grandson and a Jewish great-granddaughter.
| 284 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:44:07pm |
re: #281 Obdicut
One of the best movies about race relations in the US ever made.
Good scene about beans, too.
I love that movie!
| 285 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:44:24pm |
re: #269 Jeff In Ohio
If by voluntary you meant their black ancestors fought voluntarily, the other option is like my family. My great grandfather, who was white, fought for the Confederacy and fathered 5 children with a house slave. Their ancestors, my cousins, would be eligible, as I would.
Are the branches of the family in touch?
| 286 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:44:36pm |
re: #267 Obdicut
OT:
I worked as a transcriptionist in the distant past, and one of the projects I did was about Percy Julian, first black chemist to run his own chemicals company in the US.
One of his father’s friends was telling a story about Julian’s father, James standing by the side of the road in the small town he lived in Illionois, arms crossed, watching a KKK march go by— just to show that he wasn’t scared of them at all.
One of the KKK gusy, behooded and all, walked over to him. Percy’s dad braced for trouble, but the KKK guy took his hood off, and it was a (white) friend of his, who said, “Come march with us, James! You ain’t no damned Catholic!”
OMG.
Surprising and also, not surprising.
| 287 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:45:19pm |
re: #282 Conservative Moonbat
That’s what’s scary about him. I find myself nodding along with what he says and wanting to like the guy despite the fact that his words make my blood curdle.
When theocracy comes to America, it will be wearing a big grin and a howdy-do.
| 288 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:45:19pm |
re: #254 Charles
I’m pretty sure nobody is saying that everybody who opposes Obama’s policies is a racist. And neither was Jimmy Carter.
Perception is different than actual fact. I get that impression. I can go through Google and just about match every policy issue of Obama’s with an essay about how opposition to that policy is racist. What I just posted was done quickly.
When you keep seeing that sort of push back, opposition to this is racism, opposition to that is racism, it gets to feeling like racism is being used as a stick to hit everyone who opposes a administration policy.
And I in no way am trying to minimize the racism that is out there. Hell, I’ve been fighting racism on all sorts of levels all my life, and you’ve seen prime examples of how I don’t like ANYONE being pigeon holed for anything about their person.
You’ve seen me go ballistic over many comments about using words like fat, or ugly or any comments about color.
But, as I say, perception is opposition is racist, that’s the feeling I get a lot. I listen to a lot of left talk radio, and I hear it all the time over there.
| 289 |
Mark Pennington Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:45:20pm |
I think the majority of birthers are racist but the rest of them are just ignorant morons who swore they heard the squeaking coming from Richard Gere’s anus.
| 290 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:45:41pm |
re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist
That is completely wonderful.
My great-grandfather tried to join the Klan at one point. I wonder what he would have said if he’d known he was going to have a Catholic grandson and a Jewish great-granddaughter.
That makes my head spin.
| 291 |
SteveC Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:45:46pm |
re: #256 reine.de.tout
Reine is ineligible because the fambly was not here yet. Ineligible for DAR; inelgible for Daughters of the Confederacy, a real noob, I am.
I could be a Son of the Confederacy, but I ain’t, because I like it here in the 21st century. Think I’ll stick around for a while.
| 292 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:45:49pm |
| 293 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:46:22pm |
re: #278 SteveC
About 15 feet.
//That’s him putting shingles on the roof of that Habitat for Humanity house over there.
I wish he would stick to that. The task, not the roof. It would keep him out of trouble.
| 294 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:46:34pm |
re: #221 WindUpBird
I can make a very pretty painting with a broad brush. 8-)
Depending on the size of the canvas of course.
| 295 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:46:45pm |
I really should say good night. I have to get up bright and early for a flight to NY for my birthday tomorrow!
My kids are making a special party.
| 296 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:46:54pm |
re: #265 WindUpBird
Charles blog post was about mainstreaming birtherism. Which has nothing to do with policy. I was discussing mainstreaming birtherism.
Well, guess what sunshine, most time a thread branches off to encompass other areas of a thought. Ok, that’s what happened. Sometimes a thread goes totally off topic.
Geeessshhh… are you Obdicut.
| 297 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:47:17pm |
Matthew Spalding of the Heritage Foundation sez, “turn over the Nobel prize to the proper authorities for disposal!”
Obama’s Nobel Prize - is it unconstitutional?
Spalding, director of the B. Kenneth Simon Center for American Studies at The Heritage Foundation, says since the award is technically the property of the United States, Obama has under 60 days to turn the award over to the appropriate authorities for proper disposal.
It never ends.
| 298 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:47:17pm |
re: #236 Walter L. Newton
OK -just throwing it out here - MSNBC and Jimmy Carter become respected sources around here for the purposes of this thread………….
*sensing a disturbance in the order of things*
MSNBC quotes clipped by Horowitz’s hacks do not a cogent source make……
by turns -
they are talking about the Sotomayor hearings - where she herself made her race an issue.
A conversation routed in birtherism - which sigues, as it has here into discussions of racism.
People referencing quotes about lynching - thats pretty specific racism, not “all critiscm is racist”
| 299 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:47:21pm |
re: #268 Charles
Huckabee is a smiling theocrat. His “aw shucks” routine masks a person who is completely committed to subverting the US Constitution and the intent of the founding fathers to keep a bright line of separation between church and state.
Huck is absolute poison…the guy oughta be locked up
| 300 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:47:37pm |
re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist
Thought you had Pres Carter for “batshit theocrat”.
| 301 |
Jeff In Ohio Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:48:40pm |
re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist
Are the branches of the family in touch?
Indeed. A descendent of my GGF’s slave (who also happens to be a geneticist) sought out the family in Tennessee a few years back (long story that involved a lot of research and guessing on her part) for a DNA sample, and some of us have been attending the ‘black’ family reunion in Detroit and some of them have been attending the ‘white’ family reunion in Tennessee. Needless to say, it’s a fairly remarkable, though occasionally complicated thing. Like all families are.
| 302 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:48:59pm |
re: #298 wozzablog
OK -just throwing it out here - MSNBC and Jimmy Carter become respected sources around here for the purposes of this thread…
*sensing a disturbance in the order of things*
MSNBC quotes clipped by Horowitz’s hacks do not a cogent source make…
by turns -
they are talking about the Sotomayor hearings - where she herself made her race an issue.
A conversation routed in birtherism - which sigues, as it has here into discussions of racism.
People referencing quotes about lynching - thats pretty specific racism, not “all critiscm is racist”
It’s not an issue of “respect” or not, it’s an issue that these people and news outlets say these things. The Huffington Post article I linked to, MSNBC and so on and so forth, they say it. I don’t care if you respect them or not, someone listens to them. That’s what counts.
| 303 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:49:01pm |
| 304 |
What, me worry? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:49:10pm |
re: #267 Obdicut
OT:
I worked as a transcriptionist in the distant past, and one of the projects I did was about Percy Julian, first black chemist to run his own chemicals company in the US.
One of his father’s friends was telling a story about Julian’s father, James standing by the side of the road in the small town he lived in Illionois, arms crossed, watching a KKK march go by— just to show that he wasn’t scared of them at all.
One of the KKK gusy, behooded and all, walked over to him. Percy’s dad braced for trouble, but the KKK guy took his hood off, and it was a (white) friend of his, who said, “Come march with us, James! You ain’t no damned Catholic!”
Wow. Reminds me of Mel Brooks.
| 305 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:49:22pm |
re: #294 BruceKelly
Depending on the size of the canvas of course.
I used to work at 36”x48”, so yeah ^^ Then I went digital because the solvents I used were ruining the skin on my fingers and it’s just so much more convenient to rock the Wacom tablet.
| 306 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:49:24pm |
re: #231 Alouette
I still own the domain name for a site that my son built when he was 11 years old, scanning and uploading all kinds of public domain Civil War images.
Because there is a selection of Confederate flags on that site, once in a while some nazi/kkk asshole will hotlink for its avatar. That’s when they get pwn3d by the Zionist Hotlink Squad.
BWAHAHA!
Good Job!
| 307 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:50:18pm |
Just thinking again:
When was the last time a conservative GOP politician denounced the theocratic and dominionist tinges within the party? The “American is a Christian nation” crowd?
More questions.
| 308 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:50:19pm |
re: #302 Walter L. Newton
It’s not an issue of “respect” or not, it’s an issue that these people and news outlets say these things. The Huffington Post article I linked to, MSNBC and so on and so forth, they say it. I don’t care if you respect them or not, someone listens to them. That’s what counts.
Cable news is more entertainment than news, more commentary than facts, and more shit than not. ;-)
| 309 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:50:35pm |
re: #237 Charles
“An unnecessary distraction” isn’t exactly the most ringing condemnation I’ve ever heard.
You are definitely right on that. Not only late, but little. I’m heading into the Monday night commute in a minute so won’t see any more responses, but this whole thing looks to me like the racists hitching their wagon to a controversy with legs (as in it won’t die already) and providing it with a large base of vociferous (and racist) advocates to keep it going.
| 310 |
Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:50:44pm |
re: #287 Charles
When theocracy comes to America, it will be wearing a big grin and a howdy-do.
And it’ll wink, you betcha.
| 311 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:50:45pm |
| 312 |
theheat Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:50:46pm |
I got the same image forwarded to me the other day and zapped it to the trash. It’s too stupid to be funny. The birthers wore out their welcome long ago. There’s nothing new, factual, or interesting to be seen there - least of all funny.
Then, to know this was on a GOP web site. Eesh. Nothing but simple minded red meat pandering; the kind of folksy folks Palin would say are the heart of America. Scary folks, at that.
Hats off to however many North Dakota Republicans thought the image sucked and demanded it be removed. I hope to hell there’s more than three of you.
| 313 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:50:49pm |
re: #296 Walter L. Newton
I’m fairly sure I’m the only me. I think I would have been informed, otherwise.
| 314 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:50:54pm |
re: #307 erraticsphinx
Just thinking again:
When was the last time a conservative GOP politician denounced the theocratic and dominionist tinges within the party? The “American is a Christian nation” crowd?
More questions.
Didn’t Arlen Specter sorta fight back?
| 315 |
jayzee Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:51:55pm |
| 316 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:52:03pm |
re: #302 Walter L. Newton
I’ve just said why those MSNBC quotes don’t fit the “all criticsm” mould because they were about specific stories where race was already involved or could be inferred.
Sotomayor - “wise latina”
Birtherism - “racist or not?”
Jokes about lynching in Missouri - Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the “all reasonable critiscm of the president is racist”.
| 317 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:52:09pm |
re: #307 erraticsphinx
Just thinking again:
When was the last time a conservative GOP politician denounced the theocratic and dominionist tinges within the party? The “American is a Christian nation” crowd?
More questions.
why would the GOP denounce what it apparently stands for?
| 319 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:52:33pm |
re: #308 WindUpBird
Cable news is more entertainment than news, more commentary than facts, and more shit than not. ;-)
That makes it alright? Ok, you’re right, it mean NOTHING when cable news sources say anything like opposition to health care is racist. I guess Beck is just more shit than anything. I’m glad you cleared that up for me. I would imagine we will not be discussing Beck anymore?
| 320 |
freetoken Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:52:44pm |
re: #307 erraticsphinx
When was the last time a conservative GOP politician denounced the theocratic and dominionist tinges within the party? The “American is a Christian nation” crowd?
Given that “conservative GOP” is now defined as one who believes “America is a Christian nation”, probably none.
| 321 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:53:17pm |
| 322 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:53:25pm |
re: #300 Decatur Deb
Thought you had Pres Carter for “batshit theocrat”.
No, no, Huckabee. Carter I might call batshit, and some less kind things, but he is definitely not a theocrat.
| 323 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:53:52pm |
re: #314 WindUpBird
If by “fight back” you mean “ran away and joined the democrats rather than put up with that batshit insanity one second longer”………….. then yes, yes he did ;-)
| 324 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:53:59pm |
re: #243 marjoriemoon
Obama, himself, said that he’s aware people will hate him because he’s Black and there will be people who love him because he’s Black, but most people will listen to him and judge him on his policies and ideas.
I believe it’s true, though, when he’s unkindly judged, it’s usually because he’s a Democrat, not a Black man.
Thank You.
| 325 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:54:12pm |
re: #271 Conservative Moonbat
re: #272 Decatur Deb
When I read that, all I hear is “the flower of Southern poultryhood”. I hear the same thing every time my Senator, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, is introduced.
For a hilarious book on growing up southern, I recommend:
Confessions of a Failed Southern Lady, by Florence King.
I’m more in line with the “failed” part of “southern lady”.
| 326 |
SteveC Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:54:14pm |
OT
Just coming over the News wires from The Onion:
SOUTH BEND, IN—Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Savior of All Mankind, and current defensive coordinator at Middle Tennessee State, said Monday that He would not accept Notre Dame’s 3-year, $5.6 million offer to coach the Fighting Irish. “I love Notre Dame and respect their football legacy, but no matter what you’ve accomplished before coaching there, once you’re a Golden Domer, the expectations, frankly, are unrealistic,” said Christ, whose family has been involved with the university since its founding. “I’ve had people turn on Me before, and it really put Me through hell. But even more importantly, I’ve made a commitment to stay with the Blue Raiders through 2015.” Christ denied asking Notre Dame to remove His likeness from the building overlooking their stadium, saying He liked a good joke as much as anybody.
| 327 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:54:23pm |
re: #316 wozzablog
I’ve just said why those MSNBC quotes don’t fit the “all criticsm” mould because they were about specific stories where race was already involved or could be inferred.
Sotomayor - “wise latina”
Birtherism - “racist or not?”
Jokes about lynching in Missouri - Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the “all reasonable critiscm of the president is racist”.
Collectively I can find you an article calling opposition to an Obama policy as racist. The perception, opposition to Obama’s policies is racist, any, all policies.
| 328 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:54:29pm |
re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist
No, no, Huckabee. Carter I might call batshit, and some less kind things, but he is definitely not a theocrat.
Damn. Thought we finally disagreed.
| 329 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:54:48pm |
re: #301 Jeff In Ohio
Indeed. A descendent of my GGF’s slave (who also happens to be a geneticist) sought out the family in Tennessee a few years back (long story that involved a lot of research and guessing on her part) for a DNA sample, and some of us have been attending the ‘black’ family reunion in Detroit and some of them have been attending the ‘white’ family reunion in Tennessee. Needless to say, it’s a fairly remarkable, though occasionally complicated thing. Like all families are.
Quite cool. A college friend of mine met a young man descended from her GGGF’s slaves totally by chance, because they were working at the same Pizza Hut in Honolulu. (How is that for cosmic weirdness?)
| 330 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:55:00pm |
re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist
No, no, Huckabee. Carter I might call batshit, and some less kind things, but he is definitely not a theocrat.
Theocrat, anti-Semite, what’s the freaking difference?
Theocrat pretends to love ‘em up a bunch of Jews, for that Armageddoniton
| 331 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:55:14pm |
re: #323 wozzablog
Ah, I don’t think Specter quit the GOP out of any decent-hearted motive. I think you’re giving him too much credit.
| 332 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:55:17pm |
re: #325 reine.de.tout
Favorited for ref. My wife loves such.
| 333 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:55:22pm |
re: #320 freetoken
Given that “conservative GOP” is now defined as one who believes “America is a Christian nation”, probably none.
Don’t most Dems believe that too?
| 334 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:56:21pm |
re: #333 Spare O’Lake
Not the ones who have read the constitution which prohibits an established church.
| 335 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:56:33pm |
| 337 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:56:49pm |
| 338 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:57:02pm |
I haven’t really be following the Jimmy Carter stuff in this thread but I have seen his name flash by a few times. He was President during my early youth and I always imagined he’s what Mr Rogers would have been like if he were President.
I miss Mr Rogers (frowny face).
| 339 |
Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:57:40pm |
re: #321 albusteve
the big disarming grin is what creeps me out
That’s the hard kernel of truth at the center of that quote: “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross”— the Sinclair Lewis quote that Charles was playing off of.
Fascism in America would be wrapped in the flag, carrying the cross, and wearing an ‘aw shucks’ grin and babbling about ‘small town America’.
| 341 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:58:08pm |
re: #307 erraticsphinx
Just thinking again:
When was the last time a conservative GOP politician denounced the theocratic and dominionist tinges within the party? The “American is a Christian nation” crowd?
More questions.
They’re too busy attending the “Values Voters Summit,” hosted by Tony Perkins, who associates with David Duke and the League of the South.
And the answer to your question is: never. The GOP has been completely taken over by the theocratic, Pentecostal religious right. All of the top GOP politicians pander to them, including Mitt Romney.
| 343 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:58:39pm |
re: #334 wozzablog
Not the ones who have read the constitution which prohibits an established church.
For what it’s worth (I don’t believe the US is a Christian Nation, I don’t even care, I wouldn’t care if all religion shut down in this country)
Even so, the leaders of the Christian Right have demonstrated that they can find a useable past in the words of the Founders. A recent survey by Vanderbilt University’s First Amendment Center found that 74 percent of Republicans and 50 percent of Democrats believe that the U.S. Constitution established a Christian nation. Jerry Falwell and D. James Kennedy, recently deceased evangelical leaders who led in promoting the idea that America is a Christian nation, did their work well.
| 344 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:59:15pm |
re: #291 SteveC
I could be a Son of the Confederacy, but I ain’t, because I like it here in the 21st century. Think I’ll stick around for a while.
Oh yeah, there’s that too.
I just took a look at the La. Division of Daughters - they have a
Granddaughters club, a great-granddaughters club and brand new! - a great-great-granddaughters club.
I wonder how long they plan to stretch this out?
| 345 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:59:22pm |
re: #338 Locker
Have you ever seen this video of him testifying before Congress?
Please note, his Mr. Rogers voice is his real voice, so the whole testimony is in that voice.
| 346 |
jayzee Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:59:42pm |
re: #330 Alouette
Theocrat, anti-Semite, what’s the freaking difference?
Theocrat pretends to love ‘em up a bunch of Jews, for that Armageddoniton
I had a born again friend ask me, sincerely, what I would do when the rapture happened and all the Christians disappeared. He felt sorry for me and was really concerned. I told him not to worry so much, I was sure there were Jewish mechanics and landscapers too, though they’d probably charge a premium.
| 347 |
theheat Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:00:06pm |
re: #345 Obdicut
WTF would Mr. Rogers testify about - washing sweaters?
| 348 |
Bagua Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:00:08pm |
Good grief… Will this birth certificate nonsense never end?
| 349 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:00:32pm |
| 350 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:00:47pm |
re: #345 Obdicut
Have you ever seen this video of him testifying before Congress?
Please note, his Mr. Rogers voice is his real voice, so the whole testimony is in that voice.
No and I’m watching it right now. Thanks man good looking out.
| 352 |
windsagio Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:01:35pm |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
Is there a Daughters of Confederate Veterans, and can you join if you’re opposed to the Confederacy? I haven’t found any Confederate ancestors yet, but if I did, that would be even funnier than me joining the DAR.
PS: If you’re raving about “the People Clinton Killed” in 2009 you have, like, NO credibilty, AND are living in the past.
| 353 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:02:10pm |
re: #341 Charles
Eventually it will implode from hypocrisy, always happens.
But let’s hope they don’t do much damage beforehand.
| 354 |
SteveC Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:02:35pm |
re: #344 reine.de.tout
Oh yeah, there’s that too.
I just took a look at the La. Division of Daughters - they have a
Granddaughters club, a great-granddaughters club and brand new! - a great-great-granddaughters club.I wonder how long they plan to stretch this out?
To quote someone much more articulate than me:
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile
| 355 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:04:48pm |
onward Christian soldiers marching as to war
Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
one in hope and doctrine, one in charity.
| 356 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:05:03pm |
re: #345 Obdicut
Have you ever seen this video of him testifying before Congress?
Please note, his Mr. Rogers voice is his real voice, so the whole testimony is in that voice.
Ok this is fantastic. Seriously. I need to do a favor for Charles so I can call it in and beg him to put this up one of these days on LGF.
| 357 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:06:08pm |
re: #327 Walter L. Newton
From the original premise - which is that “all critiscm of the current president is racist”……… we are negotiated down to a “feeling or perception gathered through a preponderence of snipped quotes that it can be inferred, if you are so inclined, that certain critiscms of the President are being labelled racist, and that is such was to continue it could be then inferred that all citiscm is racist”.
Thats a long way from the original premise.
| 359 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:06:52pm |
re: #334 wozzablog
Not the ones who have read the constitution which prohibits an established church.
Religious intolerance, not to mention racism, homophobia and sexism, are alive and well in both parties, IMO, and anyone who denies it is a…denier.
| 360 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:06:58pm |
re: #356 Locker
And that can be “Rev. Rogers”, if you like. Ordained Presbyterian.
| 361 |
Jaerik Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:07:08pm |
re: #346 jayzee
I had a born again friend ask me, sincerely, what I would do when the rapture happened and all the Christians disappeared. He felt sorry for me and was really concerned. I told him not to worry so much, I was sure there were Jewish mechanics and landscapers too, though they’d probably charge a premium.
Do a Google search for “rapture” and “pets.” There a brisk business going on from people offering to care for the pets of the faithful after they’re whisked away. Sometimes for pretty steep premiums. And no, they’re not all jokes.
| 362 |
freetoken Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:07:36pm |
re: #333 Spare O’Lake
Don’t most Dems believe that too?
Don’t know, though I doubt there are any “Dems” who self identify as “conservative GOP”, as the original question was framed.
My impression is that most of the cognoscenti and politicians who self identify as “Dems” would not agree that “America is a Christian nation” in the prescriptive sense, though there are probably registered voters under the (D) label who believe so.
| 363 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:08:14pm |
re: #301 Jeff In Ohio
Indeed. A descendent of my GGF’s slave (who also happens to be a geneticist) sought out the family in Tennessee a few years back (long story that involved a lot of research and guessing on her part) for a DNA sample, and some of us have been attending the ‘black’ family reunion in Detroit and some of them have been attending the ‘white’ family reunion in Tennessee. Needless to say, it’s a fairly remarkable, though occasionally complicated thing. Like all families are.
That’s a great family story.
| 364 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:08:32pm |
| 365 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:08:52pm |
re: #360 Decatur Deb
And that can be “Rev. Rogers”, if you like. Ordained Presbyterian.
Oh yes the religion of my youth. Lots of them in Pittsburgh and NW Pennsylvania. That’s for sure. Freaking video is choking me up and I have to keep pausing it.
| 366 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:09:39pm |
re: #357 wozzablog
From the original premise - which is that “all critiscm of the current president is racist”… we are negotiated down to a “feeling or perception gathered through a preponderence of snipped quotes that it can be inferred, if you are so inclined, that certain critiscms of the President are being labelled racist, and that is such was to continue it could be then inferred that all citiscm is racist”.
Thats a long way from the original premise.
You are right, my statement was wrong.
My original statement using the word “all” was to broad, I admit, but for just about any issue that Obama faces opposition on, you can find someone who is claiming it’s because of racism.
That is unfortunate, don’t you think?
| 367 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:09:55pm |
re: #365 Locker
Oh yes the religion of my youth. Lots of them in Pittsburgh and NW Pennsylvania. That’s for sure. Freaking video is choking me up and I have to keep pausing it.
I lived in his neighborhood. The “real” one.
| 368 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:10:05pm |
re: #359 Spare O’Lake
Religious intolerance, not to mention racism, homophobia and sexism, are alive and well in both parties, IMO, and anyone who denies it is a…denier.
Are you saying there is racism on the left?
| 369 |
SteveC Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:10:39pm |
re: #361 Jaerik
Do a Google search for “rapture” and “pets.” There a brisk business going on from people offering to care for the pets of the faithful after they’re whisked away. Sometimes for pretty steep premiums. And no, they’re not all jokes.
But when I was a liddle tyke I was told that all my dogs had gone to heaven!
/With the Chrysler logo stamped ontn their ass, usually!
| 370 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:10:53pm |
OT
More bad news for the climate change “skeptics” and anti-environmental policy revanchists:
NASA Data Reveal Major Groundwater Loss in California’s Heartland
12.14.08
PASADENA, Calif. – New space observations reveal that since October 2003, the aquifers for California’s primary agricultural region — the Central Valley — and its major mountain water source — the Sierra Nevadas — have lost nearly enough water combined to fill Lake Mead, America’s largest reservoir. The findings, based on data from the NASA/German Aerospace Center Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (Grace), reflect California’s extended drought and increased rates of groundwater being pumped for human uses, such as irrigation.…
NASA of course is being sued by the industry front group Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) by their lead hack, Chris Horner. Given the recent paranoia against NASA this report will be doubted by CEI, Alex Jones, and Lee Doren.
| 371 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:11:05pm |
re: #360 Decatur Deb
Not only that, but Francois Clemmons, who played the (black) police officer and sang on the show, was one of his fellow church-members.
| 372 |
researchok Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:11:37pm |
re: #368 Walter L. Newton
Are you saying there is racism on the left?
Racism has nothing to do with politics. It’s a social disorder.
| 373 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:11:53pm |
re: #359 Spare O’Lake
I don’t think anybody denied that.
Just so you know though, it ain’t the Democrats and liberals who are currently smearing Kevin Jennings with disgusting homophobia.
Or are trying to get an insanely sexist anti abortion bill passed in Oklahoma.
Or are worshipping at the birthers’ feet.
| 374 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:12:39pm |
re: #370 Gus 802
OT
More bad news for the climate change “skeptics” and anti-environmental policy revanchists:
NASA Data Reveal Major Groundwater Loss in California’s Heartland
12.14.08NASA of course is being sued by the industry front group Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) by their lead hack, Chris Horner. Given the recent paranoia against NASA this report will be doubted by CEI, Alex Jones, and Lee Doren.
What does this article have to do with climate change, what did I miss?
| 375 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:12:50pm |
re: #373 erraticsphinx
I should have said “tried” on the second part, it got struck down by a judge thankfully.
| 376 |
brookly red Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:14:03pm |
| 377 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:14:06pm |
re: #367 Decatur Deb
I lived in his neighborhood. The “real” one.
Latrobe? I was born in Pittsburgh, Grand parents in Castle Shannon.
| 378 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:14:22pm |
re: #366 Walter L. Newton
And it is likely to be a different person claiming it everytime - unless it is the professionally offended crowd - in which case i don’t take that too seriously as an indictment. People have axes to grind.
When the “all critiscm is racsim” meme works its way up to the same level of the “all critiscms of Bush comes from people who say he is dumb” meme, then it will be a problem. I don’t see that happening though, not for a while.
| 379 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:14:33pm |
re: #370 Gus 802
OT
More bad news for the climate change “skeptics” and anti-environmental policy revanchists:
NASA Data Reveal Major Groundwater Loss in California’s Heartland
12.14.08NASA of course is being sued by the industry front group Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) by their lead hack, Chris Horner. Given the recent paranoia against NASA this report will be doubted by CEI, Alex Jones, and Lee Doren.
desalination…CA should be leading the world in this inevitable technology…but the greenies rule the environment out there, therefore CA is doomed
| 380 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:14:44pm |
re: #374 Walter L. Newton
What does this article have to do with climate change, what did I miss?
It was gathered using GRACE Tellus and has implication for future water resources impacted by climate disturbances.
| 381 |
What, me worry? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:15:22pm |
re: #345 Obdicut
Have you ever seen this video of him testifying before Congress?
Please note, his Mr. Rogers voice is his real voice, so the whole testimony is in that voice.
Loved Mr. Rogers!
| 382 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:16:02pm |
re: #379 albusteve
desalination…CA should be leading the world in this inevitable technology…but the greenies rule the environment out there, therefore CA is doomed
Yeah. Groundwater loss in The Valley is very bad news.
| 383 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:16:02pm |
re: #368 Walter L. Newton
Are you saying there is racism on the left?
The Left is more prone to class hatred than race hatred. Out loud, at least.
| 384 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:16:40pm |
re: #377 Locker
Latrobe? I was born in Pittsburgh, Grand parents in Castle Shannon.
Oakland district, where the studio was. Lived all over Pgh (chased by urban renewal).
| 385 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:17:27pm |
re: #379 albusteve
Then you’ll be glad to know that the biggest US desalinization plant is being built in California.
I guess we’re not doomed, eh?
| 386 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:18:07pm |
re: #380 Gus 802
It was gathered using GRACE Tellus and has implication for future water resources impacted by climate disturbances.
[Link: grace.jpl.nasa.gov…]
I read the whole article, there is nothing about climate change in that article. The loss of water was due to irrigation. I’m still not sure of the connection. Just because that department does work on climate change doesn’t mean that everything that comes out of that department is climate change research. They were using their ability to detect flucuations in gravity to track the effects of irrigation.
I see nothing in the article about climate change.
| 387 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:18:13pm |
re: #383 The Sanity Inspector
There are racists in all partys and there are racist people of all colours and creeds.
It’s unfortunately a fact of life.
| 388 |
Velvet Elvis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:18:32pm |
OT:
U.S. Considering Drone Attacks on Pakistani City of 850,000
The Obama Administration is eyeing Predator aircraft strikes in Quetta in an effort to decapitate the Taliban, according to the LA Times. But the prospect of launching a major attack in a highly populous city has struck some officials as unwise, officials who apparently leaked news of the program to a major US newspaper.
Pakistani officials have also warned that the fallout would be severe.
| 389 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:18:40pm |
re: #384 Decatur Deb
Oakland district, where the studio was. Lived all over Pgh (chased by urban renewal).
I miss Pittsburgh. Might move back to retire, get me some Steelers season tickets, take the Grandkids (hopefully) to Kennywood Park, Storybook Forest, Good Ship Lollypop and take the incline up Mt Washington. Man…. now I want a freaking funnel cake.
| 390 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:19:00pm |
re: #387 wozzablog
There are racists in all partys and there are racist people of all colours and creeds.
It’s unfortunately a fact of life.
Can any person be a racist?
| 391 |
researchok Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:19:35pm |
| 392 |
researchok Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:20:33pm |
| 393 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:20:37pm |
re: #385 Obdicut
Then you’ll be glad to know that the biggest US desalinization plant is being built in California.
I guess we’re not doomed, eh?
Desalinization has been in the works for the past third of a century at least. What’s the holdup?
| 394 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:21:40pm |
re: #389 Locker
I was back last summer for the first time in 50 yrs. It’s changed vastly for the better. My sister complained that beavers are debarking her trees by the river on the North Side. Beavers.
| 395 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:21:48pm |
re: #390 Walter L. Newton
Yes.
en.wikipedia.org
SNIP
“Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment.”
| 396 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:21:55pm |
re: #393 The Sanity Inspector
Desalinization has been in the works for the past third of a century at least. What’s the holdup?
I’m a skeptic about the feasibility of the technology. Take it with a grain of salt.
| 397 |
recusancy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:22:30pm |
re: #393 The Sanity Inspector
Desalinization has been in the works for the past third of a century at least. What’s the holdup?
Technological advances. Desalinization is expensive due to it’s heavy energy needs. Advances are making it possible to do without using so much energy thereby making it more affordable.
| 398 |
Four More Tears Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:22:52pm |
re: #396 Killgore Trout
I’m a skeptic about the feasibility of the technology. Take it with a grain of salt.
*rimshot*
| 399 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:22:54pm |
re: #396 Killgore Trout
KT!
A funny!
;)
| 400 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:23:01pm |
re: #390 Walter L. Newton
Yes.
Not everyone is - but it’s possible that anyone individual person born in the world may develop a prejudice against another group of people for a fatuous reason like skin colour or for any other catchall like belief.
| 401 |
recusancy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:23:33pm |
re: #400 wozzablog
Yes.
Not everyone is - but it’s possible that anyone individual person born in the world may develop a prejudice against another group of people for a fatuous reason like skin colour or for any other catchall like belief.
Tribalism.
| 402 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:23:34pm |
re: #385 Obdicut
Then you’ll be glad to know that the biggest US desalinization plant is being built in California.
I guess we’re not doomed, eh?
good news, but they will doom themselves in some other way…it’s CA after all
| 403 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:24:16pm |
re: #393 The Sanity Inspector
There are real concerns about the environmental impact, especially in a state that depends so heavily on the ocean for its economy. However, the plant owners have agreed to buy and preserve a bunch of wetland, which sets a nice precedent.
The main opposition to it at the political level, aside from the environmentalists, probably comes from the large water interests in California.
| 404 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:24:24pm |
re: #368 Walter L. Newton
Are you saying there is racism on the left?
Well gee, when you put it that way…among other things, yes.
| 405 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:24:34pm |
re: #391 researchok
In addition, much the left’s vicious excoriation of Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas (Uncle Toms) are pretty indicative that racism is a bipartisan phenomena.
There’s something to be said for H. L. Mencken’s attitude, long ago:
So few men are really worth knowing, that it seems a shameful waste to let an anthropoid prejudice stand in the way of free association with one who is.
Voila. An exhortation to drop prejudices and a license to maintain a superior mentality, if one is so inclined.
| 406 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:25:45pm |
re: #386 Walter L. Newton
I read the whole article, there is nothing about climate change in that article. The loss of water was due to irrigation. I’m still not sure of the connection. Just because that department does work on climate change doesn’t mean that everything that comes out of that department is climate change research. They were using their ability to detect flucuations in gravity to track the effects of irrigation.
I see nothing in the article about climate change.
It’s also due to drought conditions. Amongst other things, how can drought conditions not be related to climate change? It also has implication for future food and water resources. Any of this information and date will have to be taken into account for future climate change mitigation.
| 407 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:25:53pm |
re: #396 Killgore Trout
I’m a skeptic about the feasibility of the technology. Take it with a grain of salt.
heh…good one
| 408 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:26:06pm |
re: #401 recusancy
Essentially, yet not quite.
Tribes can allow people in - races can not. A white man can not become black and vice versa, but someone born in one village may move to another village and be adopted by them and become one of them in name.
This is far to heavy for now - i have to get some sleep.
| 409 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:26:19pm |
re: #402 albusteve
good news, but they will doom themselves in some other way…it’s CA after all
Why do you have to hate on an entire state? What’s the point of that?
Given that you were wrong about the desalinization plant, I don’t think you really have much of a clue about California’s issues.
| 410 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:26:50pm |
re: #399 Floral Giraffe
Check out the big brine on Killgore.
/Pulp Fiction reference
| 411 |
Lateralis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:26:57pm |
re: #341 Charles
They’re too busy attending the “Values Voters Summit,” hosted by Tony Perkins, who associates with David Duke and the League of the South.
And the answer to your question is: never. The GOP has been completely taken over by the theocratic, Pentecostal religious right. All of the top GOP politicians pander to them, including Mitt Romney.
If I recall correctly McCain was the Republican nominee which he is far from a theocrat. If they are taking over they are not doing a very good job.
| 412 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:27:00pm |
California DeSalt Inc….exporting sea salt world wide
| 413 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:27:15pm |
re: #373 erraticsphinx
I don’t think anybody denied that.
Just so you know though, it ain’t the Democrats and liberals who are currently smearing Kevin Jennings with disgusting homophobia.
Or are trying to get an insanely sexist anti abortion bill passed in Oklahoma.
Or are worshipping at the birthers’ feet.
OK, so the Dems are nicer and more subtle about it. Thanks for clearing that up.
| 414 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:27:28pm |
re: #409 Obdicut
Why do you have to hate on an entire state? What’s the point of that?
Given that you were wrong about the desalinization plant, I don’t think you really have much of a clue about California’s issues.
An empty clue reservoir is obviously not a deterrent.
| 415 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:27:35pm |
OT -
Ryannon just gave me my thousandth karma.
| 416 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:27:40pm |
re: #400 wozzablog
Yes.
Not everyone is - but it’s possible that anyone individual person born in the world may develop a prejudice against another group of people for a fatuous reason like skin colour or for any other catchall like belief.
And it’s not even to mention, the occasional lapses that most of us are liable to in this fallen world of ours. In the course of many years of dealing with the public, the whole public, and nothing but the public, I have from time to time had an unworthy thought pop into my head. Just gotta shake it off and keep going.
| 417 |
Four More Tears Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:27:45pm |
I know what this thread needs…
| 418 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:27:50pm |
re: #381 marjoriemoon
Loved Mr. Rogers!
When I came home from (constuction) work I’d put him on, instead of the news, to help me relax. I later did the same thing with the Teletubbies.
I told some close friends about this and they started doing the same thing.
Don’t tell anybody. It’d spoil my image.
| 419 |
recusancy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:27:51pm |
re: #411 Lateralis
If I recall correctly McCain was the Republican nominee which he is far from a theocrat. If they are taking over they are not doing a very good job.
He had to pick Palin. ‘Nuff said.
| 421 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:28:27pm |
re: #406 Gus 802
It’s also due to drought conditions. Amongst other things, how can drought conditions not be related to climate change? It also has implication for future food and water resources. Any of this information and date will have to be taken into account for future climate change mitigation.
I get it now, humans create CO2, and humans pump water so we are all going to die. Now I get it. You can extrapolate out this all you want, but the article was not about climate change. And, if from everything I am hearing about climate change and oceans rising, California will not be having any problems with lack of water. We’ll have water rising up to what, Denver maybe?
Sorry, the article is not about climate change. It’s almost like trying to find the face of Jesus in every piece of toast at Waffle House.
| 422 |
Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:28:29pm |
re: #411 Lateralis
If I recall correctly McCain was the Republican nominee which he is far from a theocrat. If they are taking over they are not doing a very good job.
Yes, the religious right had nothing to do with McCain picking Palin. /
| 423 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:28:34pm |
re: #413 Spare O’Lake
I’m going to let you embarrass yourself by not understanding simple statements, again. It’s ok.
| 424 |
ryannon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:28:41pm |
| 425 |
SteveC Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:29:14pm |
Didn’t know if anyone had seen this, it’s from late October:
Egypt denies entry to Israeli Breast Cancer Researchers at Susan G Komen event
As the son of a stage four breast cancer survivor (13 years and counting now) I am outraged by the actions of the Egyptian government blacklisting Israeli cancer researchers and activists from the Komen conference and Race for the Cure beginning today.
Read the comments. The Komen organization lost some friends because of this. :(
| 426 |
ryannon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:29:55pm |
| 427 |
recusancy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:30:11pm |
re: #421 Walter L. Newton
I get it now, humans create CO2, and humans pump water so we are all going to die. Now I get it. You can extrapolate out this all you want, but the article was not about climate change. And, if from everything I am hearing about climate change and oceans rising, California will not be having any problems with lack of water. We’ll have water rising up to what, Denver maybe?
Sorry, the article is not about climate change. It’s almost like trying to find the face of Jesus in every piece of toast at Waffle House.
Ocean is salt water.
| 428 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:30:37pm |
re: #409 Obdicut
Why do you have to hate on an entire state? What’s the point of that?
Given that you were wrong about the desalinization plant, I don’t think you really have much of a clue about California’s issues.
get the fuck outa here…you don’t even know me…I have a long history of posts and I certainly don’t hate CA…the plant will hopefully supply one tenth of greater San Diego….I did not know about this plant but sooner or later I would have…it’s just a kiss on the cheek and CA needs to be fucked hard…for having zero sense of humor you can be kinda funny through the back door
| 429 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:31:23pm |
| 431 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:31:40pm |
re: #427 recusancy
Ocean is salt water.
We won’t have to worry about California water, there isn’t going to be a California. That article was not about climate change. I am not a AGW denier, but I get tired of people trying to connect EVERYTHING with climate change. You want some examples?
| 432 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:32:44pm |
re: #415 wozzablog
OT -
Ryannon just gave me my thousandth karma.
That’s what Tiger said about no. 13.
| 434 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:32:57pm |
| 436 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:33:44pm |
re: #431 Walter L. Newton
We won’t have to worry about California water, there isn’t going to be a California. That article was not about climate change. I am not a AGW denier, but I get tired of people trying to connect EVERYTHING with climate change. You want some examples?
So diminishing water supplies won’t be doubly impacted by climate change? As to if climate has anything to do with the drought conditions I do not know. It could be.
Regardless, I know this NASA report is going to add to the genuflecting.
| 437 |
freetoken Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:33:54pm |
re: #431 Walter L. Newton
Walter, there have been extensive articles published, now for several years, about the persistent drought in California as well as that projections for California climate w/AGW factored in leading to exactly such a phenomenon. Just because the one particular article linked doesn’t discuss this is hardly a reason to diss Gus because he made the connection.
| 438 |
Lateralis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:33:57pm |
re: #422 iceweasel
Yes, the religious right had nothing to do with McCain picking Palin. /
At best that is a far cry from controlling the party. If you are in control your guy gets the nomination.
| 439 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:34:08pm |
re: #435 Decatur Deb
Takes his winnings and leaves.
Smart person. Don’t give the odds anymore time to work against oneself. Smart.
| 440 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:34:23pm |
re: #418 BruceKelly
When I came home from (constuction) work I’d put him on, instead of the news, to help me relax. I later did the same thing with the Teletubbies.
I told some close friends about this and they started doing the same thing.
Don’t tell anybody. It’d spoil my image.
I loved then when baked but for relaxation nothing in the world beats The Magic of Oil Painting with Bob Ross. That dude could put a charging RINO into a state of deep relaxation.
| 441 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:34:24pm |
re: #435 Decatur Deb
You gotta know when to hold ‘em………….
| 442 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:35:28pm |
| 443 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:35:43pm |
re: #431 Walter L. Newton
We won’t have to worry about California water, there isn’t going to be a California. That article was not about climate change. I am not a AGW denier, but I get tired of people trying to connect EVERYTHING with climate change. You want some examples?
I am offering free drinks for anyone who can make the case that climate change denial is racist.
| 444 |
recusancy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:36:02pm |
re: #431 Walter L. Newton
We won’t have to worry about California water, there isn’t going to be a California. That article was not about climate change. I am not a AGW denier, but I get tired of people trying to connect EVERYTHING with climate change. You want some examples?
Any thing related to water supply and potable water will eventually have something to do with climate change. It’s going to be effected.
| 445 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:36:16pm |
re: #438 Lateralis
At best that is a far cry from controlling the party. If you are in control your guy gets the nomination.
Sen. McCain won’t be in the way next time.
| 446 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:36:32pm |
re: #421 Walter L. Newton
We’ll have water rising up to what, Denver maybe?
I’m gonna have ocean front property one day.
Hello from Denver Walter.
| 447 |
Four More Tears Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:36:37pm |
re: #440 Locker
The racism coming from the right is unaccep… is.. ohhh a happy little tree… Zzzzzzzz
| 448 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:36:56pm |
re: #443 Spare O’Lake
I am offering free drinks for anyone who can make the case that climate change denial is racist.
ha!…someone will certainly try
| 449 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:37:33pm |
re: #437 freetoken
Walter, there have been extensive articles published, now for several years, about the persistent drought in California as well as that projections for California climate w/AGW factored in leading to exactly such a phenomenon. Just because the one particular article linked doesn’t discuss this is hardly a reason to diss Gus because he made the connection.
Hmmmm… lets’ see… nope, don’t agree. The article wasn’t about climate change, it was about irrigation that is depleting the aquifer, not climate change. Am I wrong?
| 450 |
Four More Tears Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:37:40pm |
re: #443 Spare O’Lake
I am offering free drinks for anyone who can make the case that climate change denial is racist.
What kind of drink are we talking about here?
| 451 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:37:50pm |
re: #446 BruceKelly
I’m gonna have ocean front property one day.
Hello from Denver Walter.
Are you from Denver, I’m not?
| 452 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:38:05pm |
re: #443 Spare O’Lake
I am offering free drinks for anyone who can make the case that climate change denial is racist.
It’s already started. Argument is that the people who will be devastated first are black and brown. Links if needed.
| 453 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:38:45pm |
re: #444 recusancy
Any thing related to water supply and potable water will eventually have something to do with climate change. It’s going to be effected.
right, but the question is wtf is CA doing about it?….very little…ever been to Palm Springs?…it’s an orgy of green grass and wasted resources
| 454 |
palomino Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:39:06pm |
Of course race is central to birtherism. What’s being questioned is not really his race, it’s his American-ness. This garbage was out there well before he won the election, so it’s not just a matter of people protesting his policies in an uncouth manner.
The standard nutjob response to this is that McCain’s eligibility was also questioned—for about three days—due to his birth in the Panama Canal zone. One reason that died so quickly is that questioning McCain’s love of country is a non-starter. But Obama the “radial community organizer” is a lot easier to paint as unAmerican.
| 455 |
recusancy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:39:49pm |
re: #453 albusteve
right, but the question is wtf is CA doing about it?…very little…ever been to Palm Springs?…it’s an orgy of green grass and wasted resources
No. The question was whether the article’s subject related to climate change.
What’s your obsession about CA about?
| 456 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:39:55pm |
| 457 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:39:55pm |
re: #446 BruceKelly
I’m gonna have ocean front property one day.
Hello from Denver Walter.
by then the ocean will be a rolling boil…perfect for cooking broccoli tho
| 458 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:41:49pm |
re: #450 JasonA
What kind of drink are we talking about here?
In keeping with the cause how about a little glass of cloudy, stinking tap water?
| 459 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:42:01pm |
re: #444 recusancy
Any thing related to water supply and potable water will eventually have something to do with climate change. It’s going to be effected.
Here’s the “water” you are going to have to worry about from climate change, not the aquifer and irrigation (as I have been saying)…
| 460 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:42:17pm |
re: #440 Locker
I loved then when baked but for relaxation nothing in the world beats The Magic of Oil Painting with Bob Ross. That dude could put a charging RINO into a state of deep relaxation.
[Video]
I watched him too, it’s. the. voiccce.
| 461 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:42:24pm |
re: #455 recusancy
No. The question was whether the article’s subject related to climate change.
What’s your obsession about CA about?
I would like to see them save themselves, rather than asking me to subsidize their demise…what’s your’s?
| 462 |
Four More Tears Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:42:35pm |
re: #458 Spare O’Lake
In keeping with the cause how about a little glass of cloudy, stinking tap water?
Pass. We actually have pretty good tap water here in NY. Keep your swill :P
| 464 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:42:45pm |
re: #437 freetoken
Walter, there have been extensive articles published, now for several years, about the persistent drought in California as well as that projections for California climate w/AGW factored in leading to exactly such a phenomenon. Just because the one particular article linked doesn’t discuss this is hardly a reason to diss Gus because he made the connection.
My connection was that the AGW genuflectors will read it as another part of “the diabolical plan.”
PASADENA, Calif. – New space observations reveal that since October 2003, the aquifers for California’s primary agricultural region — the Central Valley — and its major mountain water source — the Sierra Nevadas — have lost nearly enough water combined to fill Lake Mead, America’s largest reservoir. The findings, based on data from the NASA/German Aerospace Center Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (Grace), reflect California’s extended drought and increased rates of groundwater being pumped for human uses, such as irrigation.
“Grace data reveal groundwater in these basins is being pumped for irrigation at rates that are not sustainable if current trends continue,” Famiglietti said. “This is leading to declining water tables, water shortages, decreasing crop sizes and continued land subsidence. The findings have major implications for the U.S. economy, as California’s Central Valley is home to one sixth of all U.S. irrigated land, and the state leads the nation in agricultural production and exports.”
“By providing data on large-scale groundwater depletion rates, Grace can help California water managers make informed decisions about allocating water resources,” said Grace Project Scientist Michael Watkins of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., which manages the mission for NASA’s Science Mission Directorate, Washington.
…
NASA is working with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the University of Nebraska-Lincoln to incorporate Grace data into NOAA’s U.S. and North American Drought Monitors, premier tools used to minimize drought impacts. The tools rely heavily on precipitation observations, but are limited by inadequate large-scale observations of soil moisture and groundwater levels. “Grace is the only satellite system that provides information on these deeper stores of water that are key indicators of long-term drought…”
| 465 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:43:22pm |
re: #459 Walter L. Newton
Here’s the “water” you are going to have to worry about from climate change, not the aquifer and irrigation (as I have been saying)…
the desal plants will be flooded!…oh well, start over
| 466 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:44:09pm |
re: #461 albusteve
I would like to see them save themselves, rather than asking me to subsidize their demise…what’s your’s?
How is California asking for your subsidies, exactly?
| 467 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:46:13pm |
re: #451 Walter L. Newton
Are you from Denver, I’m not?
Yes. I thought you were from Colorado also so I was just saying hello.
Forget it.
| 468 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:46:34pm |
re: #466 Obdicut
How is California asking for your subsidies, exactly?
they haven’t yet….but where will the 65b come from to clear their books from unfunded mandates to state unions?…it’s coming from the feds, that’s my prediction…CA is flat broke and the problem is escalating
| 469 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:47:06pm |
re: #464 Gus 802
[Link: www.jpl.nasa.gov…]
There may have been hundreds of articles about climate change and water loss in California, but this article was about “increased rates of groundwater being pumped for human uses, such as irrigation.”
Period.
| 470 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:47:07pm |
More here for the “skeptics.”
Press Briefing Summaries
Is Declining Groundwater Storage Threatening Food Security in the United States and around the Globe?: New Observations of Major Groundwater Changes in California’s Central Valley and Other Aquifer Systems
TIME: Monday, Dec. 14, 2 p.m. EST (11 a.m. PST)
RELATED SESSIONS: G33E-05, H11C-0810, H11D-0817, H11D-0837, H11D-0838, H13F-03, H13G-03California’s Central Valley ranks prominently among the world’s most productive agricultural regions. While it accounts for less than one percent of all U.S. farmland, it represents one-sixth of all the irrigated land in the United States, and produces about one-quarter of all the food consumed in our nation. This vital agricultural region is dependent on life-giving irrigation from a combination of groundwater pumped from wells and surface water diverted from other regions. But California, like many other regions in the United States and around the world, has been consuming groundwater at an unsustainable rate, a situation exacerbated by drought. The effect on the water table can now be readily monitored from space. Unique measurements of Earth’s surface mass variations provided by the NASA/German Aerospace Center Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) satellites are giving scientists new insights into how climate change is affecting the global water cycle.
This news conference will focus on recent findings in ground water changes associated with drought, highlighting conditions in California, where GRACE indicates that the Sacramento and San Joaquin drainage basins, which include California’s agriculturally important Central Valley and its major mountain water source, the Sierra Nevadas, shed about half the capacity of Lake Mead, the largest reservoir in the United States, in the past seven years. We will also present results on other significant groundwater changes taking place around the globe. Plans to integrate GRACE data into operational drought monitoring initiatives will also be discussed. GRACE’s ability to directly “weigh” changes in water content provides an unprecedented view of changes in Earth’s critical water cycle.
| 471 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:47:22pm |
re: #411 Lateralis
If I recall correctly McCain was the Republican nominee which he is far from a theocrat. If they are taking over they are not doing a very good job.
Apparently you don’t recall the reason why John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate: to mollify the religious right, particularly James Dobson, who was about to command his millions of followers not to vote for McCain. Palin was a sop to the religious right by McCain, and it worked — Dobson gave McCain his endorsement after he chose Palin.
And then he lost anyway.
| 472 |
BruceKelly Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:47:53pm |
re: #457 albusteve
by then the ocean will be a rolling boil…perfect for cooking broccoli tho
Damn, it’s always something.
| 473 |
recusancy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:48:07pm |
re: #469 Walter L. Newton
There may have been hundreds of articles about climate change and water loss in California, but this article was about “increased rates of groundwater being pumped for human uses, such as irrigation.”
Period.
Because…. of drought. Related to the climate? No?
| 474 |
What, me worry? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:48:08pm |
re: #454 palomino
Of course race is central to birtherism. What’s being questioned is not really his race, it’s his American-ness. This garbage was out there well before he won the election, so it’s not just a matter of people protesting his policies in an uncouth manner.
The standard nutjob response to this is that McCain’s eligibility was also questioned—for about three days—due to his birth in the Panama Canal zone. One reason that died so quickly is that questioning McCain’s love of country is a non-starter. But Obama the “radial community organizer” is a lot easier to paint as unAmerican.
hehe The irony, of course, is that the Teabag movement is 100% about community organizing. In fact, this country was built on community organizing. I never understood those attacks during the election.
| 475 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:48:09pm |
re: #469 Walter L. Newton
There may have been hundreds of articles about climate change and water loss in California, but this article was about “increased rates of groundwater being pumped for human uses, such as irrigation.”
Period.
The ground water is being pumped because of the extended drought conditions. It says that in the report.
Drought.
| 476 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:48:57pm |
re: #467 BruceKelly
Yes. I thought you were from Colorado also so I was just saying hello.
Forget it.
No, I am from Co., just not Denver. And why do you say forget it? I was just asking you if you were in the area? I’m about 40 miles west of downtown Denver, at 8200 feet, in the foothills. I work in Golden, I use to live in Denver. My name is real, click on it for info.
What’s with the “forget it?”
| 477 |
avanti Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:49:20pm |
re: #461 albusteve
I would like to see them save themselves, rather than asking me to subsidize their demise…what’s your’s?
Again, could they at least get half as much federal tax money back as they put in compared to some poorer states. The constant bitching about California is getting a bit old. I about as far away for California as anyone, but the interstate bickering is just lame IMHO.
| 478 |
simoom Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:50:52pm |
(Hat tip: Ben Smith.)
Ben Smith’s post:
Still funny in North Dakota[image]
The North Dakota Republican Party leads its website with some quality birth certificate humor.
Is it just me or is the media getting seriously lazy with respect to doing their due diligence following a Birther story? At first they were pretty wary of reporting on them at all for fear of mainstreaming the crazy, but then once they started covering the topic they’d always end any Birther story either with a full rebuttal or at least the line, “Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, August 4, 1961 and is an American citizen.”
Besides that Ben Smith post which is noncommittal/ambiguous as to whether or not the Birthers are kooks, what immediately comes to mind is the day after Sarah Palin went on that talk radio Birther kick. That night they reported on what she had said on Anderson Cooper 360, and that was it. They went on to the next topic without commentary (maybe I had missed some earlier in the show? I only caught the last couple segments).
| 479 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:51:45pm |
re: #468 albusteve
So, just to be clear, does California currently get, in terms of taxes taken by the federal government and returned in spending— or subsidies— more or less than they give to the federal government?
| 480 |
What, me worry? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:51:56pm |
I would have liked to be a fly on the wall during the Palin pick discussion in McCain’s camp. My feeling is that she was forced on him. He wanted Leiberman, didn’t he? Of course, he supported her as a pick, but I never got the feeling he was all to comfy about it.
Not that that gives any kudos to McCain. I couldn’t stand him either. But I never thought of him as religious right.
| 481 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:52:26pm |
re: #477 avanti
Again, could they at least get half as much federal tax money back as they put in compared to some poorer states. The constant bitching about California is getting a bit old. I about as far away for California as anyone, but the interstate bickering is just lame IMHO.
what difference does it make where the money comes from?…CA is in severe crisis and they have made their own bed….are saying you are on board with a fed bailout of CA unions?, same as GM?
| 482 |
Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:53:12pm |
Drought conditons since 2006 have minimized groundwater recharge and have resulted in constraints on surface water allocations to the Central Valley, triggering a reliance on groundwater resources, particularly in the San Joaquin Valley.
NASA-JPL
MIT Finds Climate Change Could Dramatically Affect Water Supplies
December 17, 2008
CAMBRIDGE, Mass.—It’s no simple matter to figure out how regional changes in precipitation, expected to result from global climate change, may affect water supplies. Now, a new analysis led by MIT researchers has found that the changes in groundwater may actually be much greater than the precipitation changes themselves.
For example, in places where annual rainfall may increase by 20 percent as a result of climate change, the groundwater might increase as much as 40 percent. Conversely, the analysis showed in some cases just a 20 percent decrease in rainfall could lead to a 70 percent decrease in the recharging of local aquifers — a potentially devastating blow in semi-arid and arid regions.
But the exact effects depend on a complex mix of factors, the study found — including soil type, vegetation, and the exact timing and duration of rainfall events — so detailed studies will be required for each local region in order to predict the possible range of outcomes…
“It’s tempting to say that a doubling of the precipitation will lead to a doubling of the recharge rate,” Ng says, “but when you look at how it’s going to impact a given area, it gets more and more complicated. The results were startling.”
| 483 |
Velvet Elvis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:53:30pm |
re: #459 Walter L. Newton
Here’s the “water” you are going to have to worry about from climate change, not the aquifer and irrigation (as I have been saying)…
| 484 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:54:12pm |
This is HuffPo, but fits the theme: Obama was born in Tel Aviv.
Has to be satire…please.
| 485 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:54:47pm |
re: #484 Decatur Deb
It is, I saw it the other day.
It’s weird (not of you, but of these times we live in) that you have to ask if it’s satire.
| 486 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:55:15pm |
re: #479 Obdicut
So, just to be clear, does California currently get, in terms of taxes taken by the federal government and returned in spending— or subsidies— more or less than they give to the federal government?
don’t know, they boast of being the worlds seventh largest economy…why would they need fed dollars to stop the flow of money out of the state and support of their misuse of their water resources?
| 488 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:56:12pm |
re: #478 simoom
Is it just me or is the media getting seriously lazy with respect to doing their due diligence following a Birther story? At first they were pretty wary of reporting on them at all for fear of mainstreaming the crazy, but then once they started covering the topic they’d always end any Birther story either with a full rebuttal or at least the line, “Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, August 4, 1961 and is an American citizen.”
Besides that Ben Smith post which is noncommittal/ambiguous as to whether or not the Birthers are kooks, what immediately comes to mind is the day after Sarah Palin went on that talk radio Birther kick. That night they reported on what she had said on Anderson Cooper 360, and that was it. They went on to the next topic without commentary (maybe I had missed some earlier in the show? I only caught the last couple segments).
Why on earth does anyone still care where the King of the World was born? It must just be a bad habit for the nirthers, like nose-picking or farting at the dinner table.
| 489 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:56:25pm |
re: #486 albusteve
You don’t know? Oh, nifty! I get to be the one to tell you that California has more money taken on it in taxes than it is given back in terms of spending by the Federal Government.
So, isn’t that great, we get to subsidize other states!
| 490 |
recusancy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:58:56pm |
re: #486 albusteve
don’t know, they boast of being the worlds seventh largest economy…why would they need fed dollars to stop the flow of money out of the state and support of their misuse of their water resources?
You sure don’t seem to know much about the place but have no problem telling them what to do.
| 491 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:59:10pm |
re: #485 Obdicut
It is, I saw it the other day.
It’s weird (not of you, but of these times we live in) that you have to ask if it’s satire.
It almost seems like the next illogical step.
| 492 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:59:28pm |
re: #489 Obdicut
You don’t know? Oh, nifty! I get to be the one to tell you that California has more money taken on it in taxes than it is given back in terms of spending by the Federal Government.
So, isn’t that great, we get to subsidize other states!
well that’s how it works then…did CA legislators know that or were they caught in the lurch?…duh?….CA cannot take care of themselves…if you tax the populace into submission they just leave…pray for rain
| 493 |
avanti Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:00:21pm |
re: #486 albusteve
don’t know, they boast of being the worlds seventh largest economy…why would they need fed dollars to stop the flow of money out of the state and support of their misuse of their water resources?
California is by far the biggest provider of wealth redistribution for poorer states.
“As has been true for more than half a century, California’s $227 billion contribution to the
federal treasury in 1999 was by far the largest raw total of federal tax dollars of any state, well
above both New York’s $143 billion and Texas’s $135 billion, according to the Tax Foundation.
Federal Spending: California’s share of total federal spending receipts declined to 11.1%
in 1999 — a steady decline from 11.2% in 1998, 11.4% in 1997, and 11.6% in 1996. And these
California’s Balance of Payments with the Federal Treasury, FY 1981-1999 Page 3
late-1990s levels remain well below the 12% level at which California’s federal receipts hovered
for the preceding seven years. In the early 1980s, federal spending in California leapt from 12%
in 1981 to 13% in 1984, propelled largely by military procurement contracts won by California’s
aerospace industry, before settling back to the 12% mark in 1988. Spending in California
remained at the 12% mark until 1994 when the current decline began.
Federal spending is comprised of expenditures in various categories. In accounting for
federal dollar flows, the Census Bureau divides spending into five components: Procurement;
Grants to States and Local Governments (mostly formula grants); Salaries and Wages; and Direct
Payments to Individuals. California’s 1999 share of federal spending on procurement (which
includes defense and other contract spending) declined from 13.8% to 13.6% in 1999, a small
drop compared to the prior year’s drastic freefall from 15.2% to 13.8%. Californians’ share of all
U.S. direct payments to individuals (which includes massive outlays for Social Security and
medicare payments) declined from 10.5% in 1998 to 10.2% in 1999, a similar drop to the prior
year’s slippage from 10.8% to 10.5%. The state’s share of all federal salaries and wages
decreased from 10.5% in 1998 to 10.3% in 1999, matching the prior year’s decline from 10.7% to
10.5%, and federal formula and categorical grants to state and local governments — the only
spending category to realize an increase from FY 1998 to 1999 — jumped upward significantly
from 12.1% to 12.6%.
It is important to remember that federal tax burden figures for each year reflect the
economic condition of the prior year — i.e., in 1999, California taxpayers filed taxes on their 1998
earnings.
The federal income tax system causes states, such as California, which have an above
average income level to pay more in taxes than the average state, despite the fact that vastly
higher housing prices and other costs of living mean that the average Californian may actually
have considerably less disposable income than the average resident of a lower-taxed state. An
annual salary of $60,000 in Arkansas or South Dakota affords a vastly different buying power and
standard of living compared to the same salary in Santa Clara”
| 494 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:00:27pm |
re: #489 Obdicut
You don’t know? Oh, nifty! I get to be the one to tell you that California has more money taken on it in taxes than it is given back in terms of spending by the Federal Government.
So, isn’t that great, we get to subsidize other states!
He knows. Or at least he has been told. He doesn’t give a damn. He just hates California, and is morally sure that we are somehow ripping him off.
| 495 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:02:07pm |
re: #490 recusancy
You sure don’t seem to know much about the place but have no problem telling them what to do.
it’s a blog…you tell me what they should ‘do’…go ahead, I’m listening…their balance sheet is off the scale, education in the tank, their ag biz is suffering bigtime….greenies own the courts…what are your solutions?
| 496 |
avanti Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:03:15pm |
re: #492 albusteve
well that’s how it works then…did CA legislators know that or were they caught in the lurch?…duh?…CA cannot take care of themselves…if you tax the populace into submission they just leave…pray for rain
If the Feds would stop spreading California’s money around to poor states, they would not have a budget problem.
| 497 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:03:27pm |
re: #494 SanFranciscoZionist
He knows. Or at least he has been told. He doesn’t give a damn. He just hates California, and is morally sure that we are somehow ripping him off.
your attitude stinks…I don’t hate any state, that’s blog laughable
| 498 |
recusancy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:04:47pm |
re: #495 albusteve
it’s a blog…you tell me what they should ‘do’…go ahead, I’m listening…their balance sheet is off the scale, education in the tank, their ag biz is suffering bigtime…greenies own the courts…what are your solutions?
Raise taxes. Like G.H.W.B. did in ‘90 to deal with Reagan’s deficit.
| 499 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:04:57pm |
re: #495 albusteve
Hey, if greenies own the courts, then how come…
Environmentalists have battled the project in lawsuits, raising concerns about the amount of fish that will be killed by the pumping process and about potential change to the aquatic ecosystem when leftover brine is returned to the sea. So far they have not won any victories.
You’d think that if you were right and the ‘greenies’ owned the court, than their lawsuits would be successful, huh?
Weird. It’s almost as though you don’t really know shit about California, but like talking shit about it.
| 500 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:05:46pm |
re: #496 avanti
If the Feds would stop spreading California’s money around to poor states, they would not have a budget problem.
what? the feds are spending their money unwisely?…why do you hate poor states?…isn’t super wealthy CA honor and legally bound to give up some of their wealth?…like Kyoto or Copenhagen?
| 501 |
recusancy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:05:58pm |
I believe New Mexico is in the top five of states that take in more federal funds then they pay out. I can’t find updated info on that though. They were #3 in ‘04.
| 502 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:07:06pm |
re: #498 recusancy
Raise taxes. Like G.H.W.B. did in ‘90 to deal with Reagan’s deficit.
CA has raised taxes on everything, that’s why people are flooding out of the state, while illegals flood in….sanctuary state and all that
| 503 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:08:17pm |
re: #502 albusteve
Hey, someone told me that you don’t pay taxes… is that true?
| 504 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:08:58pm |
re: #501 recusancy
I believe New Mexico is in the top five of states that take in more federal funds then they pay out. I can’t find updated info on that though. They were #3 in ‘04.
strawman!
troll!
just kidding….NM is very poor, so we rent to the feds for income…works for everybody
| 505 |
avanti Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:09:34pm |
re: #486 albusteve
don’t know, they boast of being the worlds seventh largest economy…why would they need fed dollars to stop the flow of money out of the state and support of their misuse of their water resources?
You keep ignoring the fact California pays out way more than the get back compared to poor states. BTW, I’m not opposed to the higher income states helping some others, but bitching when they are paying more than their share is just BS.
| 507 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:10:28pm |
re: #503 Obdicut
Hey, someone told me that you don’t pay taxes… is that true?
Cato told you that…obviously he’s envious, poor guy is getting hammered and I’m not….that pisses him off I guess
| 508 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:11:27pm |
re: #507 albusteve
Probably was Cato. Anyway: is it true? Or was he just being, uh, creative with the truth?
| 509 |
recusancy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:11:56pm |
re: #504 albusteve
strawman!
troll!just kidding…NM is very poor, so we rent to the feds for income…works for everybody
So if you admit that why not worry about your own state? I’m not trying to be a dick about this.
| 510 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:13:28pm |
re: #505 avanti
You keep ignoring the fact California pays out way more than the get back compared to poor states. BTW, I’m not opposed to the higher income states helping some others, but bitching when they are paying more than their share is just BS.
CA is in bed with their unions…CA cannot provide water for their domestic use or their agriculture….it’s not a national problem, they did this to themselves…I don’t hate CA…the solutions are within themselves, not by fed dollars…the feds can’t help CA
| 511 |
Lateralis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:14:25pm |
re: #471 Charles
Apparently you don’t recall the reason why John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate: to mollify the religious right, particularly James Dobson, who was about to command his millions of followers not to vote for McCain. Palin was a sop to the religious right by McCain, and it worked — Dobson gave McCain his endorsement after he chose Palin.
And then he lost anyway.
I agree that is one of the factors he picked Palin. However, you said the Theocrats control the Republican party and that is simply not true. Are they a constituency that plays a role in the party, absolutely.
| 512 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:15:14pm |
re: #511 Lateralis
I agree that is one of the factors he picked Palin.
It’s the only reason why he picked Palin.
| 513 |
Locker Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:16:16pm |
re: #497 albusteve
your attitude stinks…I don’t hate any state, that’s blog laughable
That’s laughable coming from you albusteve. You don’t seem to be able to speak in any other manner than criticism. Every single word out of your mouth is judgmental and critical. Coupled with the fact that you normally have not the slightest clue what you are complaining about makes it even funnier.
| 514 |
Lateralis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:18:06pm |
re: #512 Charles
It’s the only reason why he picked Palin.
I completely disagree. He was not only getting push back from religious conservatives but also other factions of the Republic party that did not think he was conservative enough except for his stance on the Iraq and Afgan war.
| 515 |
recusancy Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:19:48pm |
re: #514 Lateralis
I completely disagree. He was not only getting push back from religious conservatives but also other factions of the Republic party that did not think he was conservative enough except for his stance on the Iraq and Afgan war.
Read: Not religious enough. aka: not socially conservative enough.
| 516 |
Lateralis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:22:09pm |
re: #515 recusancy
Read: Not religious enough. aka: not socially conservative enough.
I don’t disagree that many though he was not religious enough but it just was not the only reason Palin was picked.
| 517 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:23:11pm |
re: #508 Obdicut
Probably was Cato. Anyway: is it true? Or was he just being, uh, creative with the truth?
I’m broke as far as the IRS…I’ve probably paid more taxes in the last thirty years than Cato took home in wages…he distorts my “I hate the feds” meme, as if I hate the Coast Guard etc…I have been very adamant for my mistrust of legislators and am not anti govt in every regard….Cato says whatever he wants…I took on the IRS and beat them at the cost of a small fortune…I have never broken a federal law…believe whatever you want…I am an outstanding patriot in the purest sense….Californians are my brothers and sisters and all of America is my hood…every once in a while I have to explain this…nobody that’s been around LGF for awhile disputes this…it took me seven long years to get the IRS off my back and I finally did….I own no property, I have no income, I have no debt…it’s not for everybody but it can be done and I did it…all within the law
| 518 |
albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:24:45pm |
re: #513 Locker
That’s laughable coming from you albusteve. You don’t seem to be able to speak in any other manner than criticism. Every single word out of your mouth is judgmental and critical. Coupled with the fact that you normally have not the slightest clue what you are complaining about makes it even funnier.
glad to provide some comic relief then
| 519 |
oriana fan Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:27:41pm |
c’mon, its a little funny…and I think the birthers are nuts.
| 520 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:29:31pm |
re: #517 albusteve
Okay. I just wanted to know. I have plenty of no-income friends— San Francisco is a very good place for off-the-gridders, actually, in a weird sort of way.
However, you do keep harping on California being doomed, by liberals, California schools sucking and all kinds of shit, and I’d just really like to ask you kindly to, if you’re not a Californian, not add to our woes with a barrage of nattering negativism. It harshes our mellow.
| 521 |
simoom Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:50:28pm |
re: #463 MandyManners
I saw this episode. John Larroquette plays some sort of uber-leftist lawyer who does opposition appearances on the show of a conservative talking head (who seemed modeled after Lou Dobbs).
< spoiler follows >
Meanwhile a serial killer who targets so called “anchor babies” is working his way through a hit-list of immigrant children. The cops arrest him somewhere in the middle of his list, having enough evidence for what should be a slam dunk case. Larroquette sees this as an opportunity to go after his conservative nemesis in the national spotlight, so he represents the killer, making an affirmative defense that the anti-immigrant conservative brainwashed him with his rhetoric.
The prosecution do a decent job demonstrating the killer was a xenophobic bigot long before he ever first heard the talking head, but the jury finds the defendant not guilty anyway. Before leaving the courtroom the killer whispers in Larroquette’s ear something like, “Thanks for getting me off — now I can finish what I started.” Realizing he’s freed a monster Larroquette lures the killer to his office, murders him there and then turns himself into the police.
—-
I’m not exactly sure as to the message the writer was trying to impart, but it definitely seemed to paint Larroquette’s character as causing great harm through dangerous naiveté.
| 522 |
aliencam Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:03:55pm |
I don’t see what the bug deal is. Frankly, I think it is hilarious, and I am neither a birther or a racist. There were much more raunchy cartoons about bush during his years, and they were prominently displayed in “professional” places too. (and you know what, lots of those were funny also)
| 523 |
simoom Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:12:42pm |
re: #522 aliencam
I don’t see what the bug deal is.
You don’t see an issue with the North Dakota Republican Party mainstreaming an eliminationist movement that believes our democratically elected President is actually an ineligible usurper that must be removed from office?
That comic isn’t intended to mock the Birthers, it’s meant to welcome them into the fold.
| 524 |
simoom Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:29:31pm |
BTW, I bet many lizards remember the PPP “birther” poll (pdf link) of North Carolina voters from back in August (it would be interesting to see how the numbers have changed since). It found that just 24% of NC Republicans believed Obama was born in the US, 47% believed he was not, and finally 29% where unsure.
That is what’s being pandered to here.
| 525 |
simoom Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:31:54pm |
^ Ooops :P I conflated North Dakota and North Carolina - my bad :o.
| 526 |
Jaerik Mon, Dec 14, 2009 11:38:30pm |
re: #520 Obdicut
It harshes our mellow.
We Californians are screwed for a variety of reasons.
- Deep geographical/culture divisions, coupled with horrifically gerrymandered districts and closed primaries, means elections are won or lost at the primary level. Which ensures the only people who go to Sacramento are the craziest extremists on either side.
- The open voter referendum system can bypass the legislature and enact any law, up to and including a constitutional amendment, with a trivial number of signatures and 50% of the popular vote.
Two separate such voter referendums have made it so that:
1) You need a 2/3’s super majority in the legislature to cut spending, and
2) You need a 2/3’s super majority in the legislature to raise taxes.
The result? Absolute paralysis. Nobody can get a super majority to do either, because both parties only sent their respective hard-line, non-negotiating crazies to Sacramento. So they basically show up, scream at each other for a few minutes in impotent rage, and then adjourn for the week as the state continues its long slide into bankruptcy.
Mellow-harshing, indeed.
Gateway Pundit, Sued by Election Workers, Declares BankruptcyA onetime favorite, now just pathetic figure around these parts, Jim Hoft aka SMOTI ("Stupidest Man On The Internet"), has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in response to the defamation lawsuits filed against him to the same election workers that ...
Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
Cheechako
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ... Cheechako
They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... CheechakoJoe Bacon ✅
Best of April 2024 Nothing new here but these are a look back at the a few good images from the past month. Despite the weather, I was quite pleased with several of them. These were taken with older lenses (made from the ...
William Lewis
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
