2 | freetoken Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:13:46pm |
Verdant or blue
Verdant or blue
Masonry spears the heart of the sky
while resting on the ground.
Is there a ghost that haunts that tower?
3 | Varek Raith Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:14:15pm |
re: #1 Sinistershade
Lovely! Where is that?
An undisclosed, secret and quite possibly hidden location. ;)
4 | Sinistershade Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:20:11pm |
re: #3 Varek Raith
An undisclosed, secret and quite possibly hidden location. ;)
Oh, right . . . I didn't notice Dick Cheney lurking there down in the corner. //
5 | Varek Raith Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:21:32pm |
re: #4 Sinistershade
Oh, right . . . I didn't notice Dick Cheney lurking there down in the corner. //
Is that who it was??? Huh, I thought it was John Connor!
/
6 | Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:23:14pm |
Good Night, Lizards!
Stay scaly.
7 | Clemente Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:24:58pm |
"Ask not for whom the bell trolls..."
(Time for an open reg?)
8 | Political Atheist Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:27:54pm |
re: #1 Sinistershade
BTW-I gave you a late response downstairs... Sorry stepped away to get a drink.
9 | Bagua Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:37:27pm |
10 | Gus Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:39:49pm |
Beware of the tower! It could be a minaret!
Runaway! Runaway!
//
11 | Bagua Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:42:59pm |
12 | Sinistershade Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:44:12pm |
re: #8 Rightwingconspirator
BTW-I gave you a late response downstairs... Sorry stepped away to get a drink.
Getting a drink is ALWAYS a valid excuse. For anything. I responded with some additional thoughts to your very cogent points.
And with that, dear lizards, I bid you good night. The morning will come too early!
13 | Gus Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:46:36pm |
16 | Varek Raith Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:50:26pm |
re: #14 iceweasel
I'm out too. Night!
Hey! No fair on making me upding ya twice for saying 'night'!
/
Nightx2! :)
17 | Gus Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:52:48pm |
19 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:04:50am |
Great. I get home from work, get a beer, look for a new job, pop in here and everyone is going to bed. Geez.
/
20 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:06:10am |
re: #19 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not quit all of us. Its my last vacation night so I'm up to enjoy the late set.
21 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:07:50am |
re: #20 Rightwingconspirator
I get home and I'm so wound it takes at least an hour and a half to chill. Or 4 beers. I usually drink one per hour but make an exception for nights I get home late.
22 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:09:07am |
re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar
Same here. But my brand of beer runs about 6% so maybe 3. Heh.
23 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:11:21am |
re: #22 Rightwingconspirator
Same here. But my brand of beer runs about 6% so maybe 3. Heh.
Sam Adams made some beer for the holidays that was about $120-$150 a bottle. Heard about it on some talk show.
24 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:14:24am |
re: #23 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sam Adams made some beer for the holidays that was about $120-$150 a bottle. Heard about it on some talk show.
I was way wrong!!!
[Link: www.melandrose.com...]
25 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:14:28am |
re: #23 Cannadian Club Akbar
Good grief... I won't pay that for wine. I did see Sierra Nevada Estate for $10. Said to be very hoppy even by IPA standards. Lately I drink Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale, their winter brew. I get to taste a lot of brews a local place has beer tasting every Saturday.
26 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:16:53am |
re: #24 Cannadian Club Akbar
Okay I'm gonna bug my guy here about putting that on the list. Two hundred bucks? Hah. I'll show that to my Beer Pong playing neighbors.
27 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:20:36am |
re: #26 Rightwingconspirator
I occasionally buy 12 year old Canadian Club. If you put it in the freezer, it comes out like molasses. Takes about 5 minutes real time to pour a drink as it sticks to the ice. Oops, forgot, it's my avatar.
28 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:26:11am |
re: #27 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wow. It is quiet this late.
Nice choice. 12 years in the barrel puts a nice smooth character on it. Still a lot less than $200! Lately I have been avoiding fine spirits. My old habit there is estate Tequila. Again the barrel time makes the difference. Including the Roja which spends time in used wine barrels and gets a red tint.
29 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:34:19am |
re: #28 Rightwingconspirator
I worked for a company that had about 6 national restaurant chains under its belt. At one concept, the bottom of the barrel tequila was Quervo Gold. I think the most expensive shot of the top shelf stuff was $100. The company was Brinker International. ( Chili's, Macaroni Grill, Regas Grill, South of the Border, etc.) I can't remember the name of the actual restaurant though.
30 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:41:20am |
Cuervo Gold is corn syrup, alcohol and concentrates. Not Fit For Consumption. Might be a good biofuel.
$100 a shot? Yeow. I have friends in Guadalajara, where the good estates are. Some are pretty commercial, some are medium. But there is this core of way high quality brandy snifter style tequila. I think it gets held in the wealthy families and restaurants in Mexico for the most part. Tequila has come a long ways here. But down there you can find 25 year unblended tequila.
31 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:44:54am |
Don't the agave farmers use armed guards in Mexico to protect the crops? I've been out of the loop on wine and spirits for a while. Might be blue agave. Or I might have spelled that wrong.:)
32 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:49:47am |
re: #31 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not sure about guarding the plants. The estate buildings certainly. But my friend picked me up in a bullet resistant Nissan sedan to go out there. That was eye opening.
33 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:55:06am |
34 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:55:13am |
Yo Freetoken, I just caught your wine link. Worth taking about. I like fruit forward, new world wines. Old world earthy wines suit a different diet than Californians eat I would suggest.
35 | freetoken Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:57:10am |
re: #34 Rightwingconspirator
Heh, glad someone noticed.
I don't like the stuff myself... yet I think that little news bit has some insight into our culture here in 2010.
As you suggest, one insight could be into our dietary differences with Europe.
36 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:59:23am |
re: #33 Cannadian Club Akbar
Scary stuff. I might have to go back this year. Low profile as much as possible.
37 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:03:19am |
re: #35 freetoken
Booze Thread!
I go to wine tastings regularly. I keep trying the wines will all that old world flavor. Not for me. Of course the French have Beaujolais which is made to be consumed in a year or two. Stomp and serve as it were.
But I can not imagine the 2 or 3 percent difference meaning much apart from flavor or subtleties. I mean if I split a bottle with a friend 14% instead of 12% is hardly going to wreck us the next day.
38 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:11:17am |
Well it's been fun but I'm turning in. One am is late enough.
39 | Stuart Leviton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:45:55am |
Last March, three American evangelical Christians, whose teachings about “curing” homosexuals have been widely discredited in the United States, arrived in Uganda’s capital to give a series of talks.
...
One month after the conference, a previously unknown Ugandan politician, who boasts of having evangelical friends in the American government, introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, which threatens to hang homosexuals.
After Americans visit, Uganda Weighs Death for Gays Source: New York Times
40 | freetoken Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:04:35am |
In three hours the 215th annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society gets underway (with the substantive program).
There will be quite a bit of astro news, but some of the most exciting will be on the first day.
The first major presentation (8:30 EST) will be by the Kepler group, on the early results from the Kepler mission. The Kepler satellite is designed to detect exoplanets and it has been operational for a few months.
Here is the abstract:
[Link: www.abstractsonline.com...]
The presentation is being live streamed here:
[Link: www.ustream.tv...]
(see page 2)
Over its service life, the Kepler satellite is expected to provide fundamental knowledge about planets and their distribution in our galaxy.
41 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:09:57am |
I think I see Franklin in there...
43 | rwdflynavy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19:06am |
Good Morning Lizards.
Anyone else playing Assassins Creed 2? That tower made me think of the game.
44 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:20:13am |
re: #33 Cannadian Club Akbar
Geez. When the cops have to wear masks...
46 | freetoken Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:30:35am |
Hanged Obama effigy 'found in Jimmy Carter's hometown'
The US Secret Service is investigating an effigy of President Barack Obama found hanging from a building in the hometown of ex-president Jimmy Carter, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported Monday.
It seems like in a small town like Plains that the owner of the building would be known by all, no?
47 | freetoken Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:32:12am |
America, 2010:
48 | sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:54:15am |
re: #46 freetoken
Hanged Obama effigy 'found in Jimmy Carter's hometown'
It seems like in a small town like Plains that the owner of the building would be known by all, no?
The buidings there are mostly 1-2 stories high, with access to the roofs available from an attached metal ladder either on the back or side of the building. In that the building is adorned with a red/white/blue sign honoring Jimmy Carter my guess is that the buidling owner wasn''t involved, but rather someone snuck up to the roof in ther dead of night
49 | sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:55:25am |
50 | ryannon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:00:32am |
re: #47 freetoken
America, 2010:
This has been going on for years under Grand Central Station in NYC:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
There's also a documentary which I saw - can't remember the title, but it shouldn't be difficult to find.
51 | sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:02:14am |
re: #46 freetoken
One last thing about this. Many buildings in "downtown" Plains Georgia are vacant
NOTE: I am in NO way excusing this action, just explaining how it may have happened without the "owners" knowledge
52 | sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:03:33am |
re: #50 ryannon
This has been going on for years under Grand Central Station in NYC:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
There's also a documentary which I saw - can't remember the title, but it shouldn't be difficult to find.
I've seen it. They were using abandoned tunnels (off branches of the main routes) that weren't used anymore for routes
53 | ryannon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:09:54am |
re: #52 sattv4u2
I've seen it. They were using abandoned tunnels (off branches of the main routes) that weren't used anymore for routes
Under Penn Station as well. The two documentaries are "Dark Days"
and "The Mole People"
54 | SteveC Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:16:31am |
re: #9 Bagua
All Along The Watch Tower
"I got this damn music stuck in my head..." - Col. Tighe, Battlestar Galactica
56 | Four More Tears Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:00:18am |
re: #55 SteveC
If the series had ended right there it may have not been so bad.
57 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:20:14am |
re: #49 sattv4u2Here is the video report from the local TV station
[Link: www.walb.com...]
"Plains is proud of Jimmy Carter"
- from the local news video
Kinda says it all, doesn't it?
58 | simoom Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:27:31am |
A neat slideshow of the White House beekeeper at work, smoking the hive, collecting the honeycomb and extracting/filtering the honey:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
If anyone watched Iron Chef last night, both teams of chefs used the White House honey in a dish or two.
59 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:35:15am |
re: #46 freetoken
Hanged Obama effigy 'found in Jimmy Carter's hometown'
It seems like in a small town like Plains that the owner of the building would be known by all, no?
Isn't everyone in Plains related to Jimmah? /
60 | rwdflynavy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:35:32am |
61 | watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:39:56am |
What a way to start the morning, got a call at six from mom crying and being incoherant so I rushed over there. I find dad laying in about a quart of blood in bed and barely concious. So I got EMS and the ambulance and got him taken to Bayfront. Diabetes, high blood pressure, obesity, irregular heart beat, and now liver cancer and chemo are just eating him up.
If anyone is the praying sort I would appreciate a few said for him, that they at least get the bleed stopped and can stabilize him. I know that we are going to lose him soon, but this quickly is going to be awfully hard on mom.
(my dsl line is also on the fritz, I can only get online occasionally so if I disappear thats why. Service guy comes tomorrow...)
62 | albusteve Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:42:23am |
re: #61 ausador
What a way to start the morning, got a call at six from mom crying and being incoherant so I rushed over there. I find dad laying in about a quart of blood in bed and barely concious. So I got EMS and the ambulance and got him taken to Bayfront. Diabetes, high blood pressure, obesity, irregular heart beat, and now liver cancer and chemo are just eating him up.
If anyone is the praying sort I would appreciate a few said for him, that they at least get the bleed stopped and can stabilize him. I know that we are going to lose him soon, but this quickly is going to be awfully hard on mom.
(my dsl line is also on the fritz, I can only get online occasionally so if I disappear thats why. Service guy comes tomorrow...)
sad times...you have my profound sympathy
64 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:46:30am |
Teheran professors denounce violence
By ASSOCIATED PRESS[Link: www.jpost.com...]
This sounds good.
65 | Taqyia2Me Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:46:37am |
re: #61 ausador
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
67 | yoshicastmaster Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:55:08am |
the pic gives me an idea for lgf tower defense....
68 | SasyMomaCat Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:57:56am |
Good morning, all! Did I miss anything over the long weekend?
69 | laZardo Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:02:52am |
Mmmm, immigration.
My mom recently sent in a DS-230 as part of the myriad of documents (and $355 fee, among others) needed to file a petition. She's now gotten the packet with her medical examination and interview date, along with a list of forms needed to file an immigration visa.
Apparently she now needs to send in that DS-230 again along with a $400(!) filing fee.
No wonder so many people just jump the (literal and proverbial) fence.
70 | SasyMomaCat Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:09:02am |
re: #61 ausador
Praying for you and yours - esp. mom and dad
71 | SasyMomaCat Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:10:31am |
re: #69 laZardo
Ah, yes - the government at work.
Can she provide proof of already having sent in the DS-230? Or is she required to file it twice?
Absolutely insane . . .
72 | laZardo Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:12:59am |
re: #71 SasyMomaCat
Ah, yes - the government at work.
Can she provide proof of already having sent in the DS-230? Or is she required to file it twice?
Absolutely insane . . .
I think she has to file it twice...once for the actual petition, and another for the visa she'll use to immigrate to the States with. The form itself is downloadable, but she's actually had to hold my little brothers back from college here for a semester because of it.
73 | SasyMomaCat Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:19:57am |
re: #72 laZardo
what a mess - here's hoping she has smooth sailing through the process and that there aren't too many more hoops to jump through.
74 | laZardo Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:21:25am |
re: #73 SasyMomaCat
what a mess - here's hoping she has smooth sailing through the process and that there aren't too many more hoops to jump through.
The medical examination is on the 25th, interview is February 1. Ultimately we're trying to set up a financial base so that I can go back to the States as well.
76 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:22:34am |
re: #61 ausador
Prayers coming your family's way.
Very sad situation.
77 | laZardo Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:29:51am |
Ooh, now apparently I also have to make a "letter of intent" for me to return to the United States, mainly because I'm the "petitioner" and not living in the United States...
80 | SasyMomaCat Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:43:01am |
gotta git - too much to be done today. I'll try to hop back on later today :)
81 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:47:34am |
re: #69 laZardo
Mmmm, immigration.
My mom recently sent in a DS-230 as part of the myriad of documents (and $355 fee, among others) needed to file a petition. She's now gotten the packet with her medical examination and interview date, along with a list of forms needed to file an immigration visa.
Apparently she now needs to send in that DS-230 again along with a $400(!) filing fee.
No wonder so many people just jump the (literal and proverbial) fence.
Make sure you send it to the right processing center. Sometimes they update the forms but not the website, and vice versa. If you've got an extra hour to burn on hold you can telephone and find out.
82 | lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:51:39am |
More embassies are closed in Yemen due to the ongoing terror threat. Despite claims that the Yemeni government has whacked a couple of al Qaeda terrorists, Yemen has long turned a blind eye to al Qaeda's operations in Yemen and the terror group and affiliated groups continue to use Yemen as a safe haven from which to recruit terrorists.
83 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:53:23am |
How weird is it that out of the 4 playoff games coming up this weekend, 3 of them are repeat games from yesterday. I'd almost bet that all 3 will turn out the same way as yesterday too.
84 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:58:34am |
Morning Lizards!
Anything worth knowing happen since yesterday?
85 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:58:37am |
re: #83 RogueOne
Your mouth to God's ears...
(Cowboy fan)
86 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:59:22am |
90 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:04:57am |
re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Furnace running 24/7 here. Wow.
It's freakin' cold here too! I mean FREAKIN' cold. Long-underwear and many layered outerwear weather.
91 | rwdflynavy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:05:00am |
re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Furnace running 24/7 here. Wow.
Here too! Cold snap in Jax this week.
92 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:05:50am |
re: #89 ggt
Wow! Everyone join in at once.
:)
Rightwingconspirator, Freetoken and myself carried the load for 2 hours overnight. And I just woke up and still need coffee!!:)
93 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:06:06am |
Weather.com told my Cat Overlord that if feels like -6 to humans.
94 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:07:10am |
95 | badger1970 Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:10:04am |
Good morning. (and prayers)
re: #83 RogueOne
I would love to see Philly get blanked again to shut Whitlock up (and to see karma for the dog torturer). The Cards will be firing on all cylinders, the Jets will lose.
96 | lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:11:17am |
re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah, the heat has been working overtime (and will continue to be working hard this week) with a cold snap in the NYC metro area. High winds also don't help (it drives cold air into homes with lots of seepage quicker)
98 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:14:25am |
re: #91 rwdflynavy
Here too! Cold snap in Jax this week.
We're getting it here as well. It is currently 45 and I can't wait to go outside and see people bundled up like Inuits. My gosh, people, buy a flannel.
99 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:15:22am |
re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar
We're getting it here as well. It is currently 45 and I can't wait to go outside and see people bundled up like Inuits. My gosh, people, buy a flannel.
45! Heatwave!
If it were 45 I wouldn't even wear a coat, sweater maybe.
100 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:17:26am |
re: #99 ggt
45! Heatwave!
If it were 45 I wouldn't even wear a coat, sweater maybe.
My brother talked about the locals doing the Polar Bear thingy. The Gulf of Mexico is probably 60 degrees. Polar Bear my ass. If you can find your nads within a week of jumping in the water, it wasn't cold enough.:)
102 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:18:57am |
re: #91 rwdflynavy
Here too! Cold snap in Jax this week.
According to the weather forecast, Baton Rouge is going to have its usual 1 week of really cold weather during the upcoming week - lows in the lower to mid 20s - brrrrr.
re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar
We're getting it here as well. It is currently 45 and I can't wait to go outside and see people bundled up like Inuits. My gosh, people, buy a flannel.
What's "a flannel"?
103 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:19:24am |
re: #100 Cannadian Club Akbar
My brother talked about the locals doing the Polar Bear thingy. The Gulf of Mexico is probably 60 degrees. Polar Bear my ass. If you can find your nads within a week of jumping in the water, it wasn't cold enough.:)
60 degree water is cold. 60 degree weather is not.
:)
104 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:20:07am |
re: #102 reine.de.tout
A flannel shirt. Just look for the guy wearing a John Deere hat. He probably has a flannel on.
105 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:20:58am |
re: #103 ggt
60 degree water is cold. 60 degree weather is not.
:)
If people are gonna throw around the word Polard Bear, there best be ice floating in the water.
106 | lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:21:38am |
re: #101 ggt
Indeed there was. Problem is that no one knows whether they caught the guy or not. Officials say that they haven't.
But Sunday night thousands of passengers were delayed after a man walked the wrong way through a security checkpoint exit around 5:20 p.m. Sunday, according to Transportation Security Administration and airline officials. He has not yet been found, officials said.Flights were grounded for hours as travelers were hustled off planes and out of waiting areas, and moved to public side of the airport to be re-screened by security personnel.
"Things are back to normal out there," said Steve Coleman today. Coleman is a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs the Newark airport.
Ann Davis, a spokeswoman for the TSA, said a transportation security officer was stationed at the exit where the man was spotted. His image was also captured on surveillance cameras.
Davis said the officer is assisting in the investigation. "We'll look at taking any disciplinary action," she said.
107 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:21:40am |
re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar
A flannel shirt. Just look for the guy wearing a John Deere hat. He probably has a flannel on.
You can even buy a flannel shirt with thinsulate lining. That guy with the John Deere hat probably is wearing one of those as well as flannel lined jeans with underarmour! Smart man.
108 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:22:06am |
109 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:22:19am |
re: #105 Cannadian Club Akbar
If people are gonna throw around the word Polard Bear, there best be ice floating in the water.
agreed.
110 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:23:13am |
Breakfast time! Are you getting too much cereal with your morning sugar?
112 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:23:49am |
re: #111 lawhawk
Or a lumberjack.
o dear! It's too early for lumberjacks.
113 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:26:37am |
re: #95 badger1970
Good morning. (and prayers)
I would love to see Philly get blanked again to shut Whitlock up (and to see karma for the dog torturer). The Cards will be firing on all cylinders, the Jets will lose.
I don't know about that jets pick, cincinnati blows. If sanchez doesn't throw a couple of picks I think the jets will walk out with a win. Actually, I think every AFC playoff team but the colts and the bolts are weak. NE can't win away from home (and now they don't have Welker), the Ravens wouldn't have beat oakland if not for russell, cincy's offense is horrific, and the jets have a rookie qb.
114 | MrSilverDragon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:27:54am |
Good morning, folks!
Welcome to the future... today!
115 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:28:22am |
The lumberjack song is officially old! over 40.
Where does that leave me?
116 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:28:36am |
re: #113 RogueOne
I don't know about that jets pick, cincinnati blows. If sanchez doesn't throw a couple of picks I think the jets will walk out with a win. Actually, I think every AFC playoff team but the colts and the bolts are weak. NE can't win away from home (and now they don't have Welker), the Ravens wouldn't have beat oakland if not for russell, cincy's offense is horrific, and the jets have a rookie qb.
I picked the Chargers to win it all. Not here, but on FB with a lizard who can back me on my pick from last night/this morning.
117 | ryannon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:32:35am |
re: #108 ggt
I know, weird!
"A TSA spokeswoman said that people get confused with security checkpoints and enter the secured areas of terminals all the time."
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
I don't doubt it. It's likely that a passenger went in an out-door (or vice-versa) for any number of innocent reasons, including confusion.
118 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:32:53am |
Monday mornings after holiday's are so hard. I'm going to avoid this one by taking my mid-morning nap.
Have a great day!
119 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:33:19am |
re: #101 ggt
They collected all the passengers and made them go through security a second time, but didn't find the guy. Freaking pandemonium. Epic Fail.
120 | FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:33:50am |
re: #117 ryannon
"A TSA spokeswoman said that people get confused with security checkpoints and enter the secured areas of terminals all the time."
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
I don't doubt it. It's likely that a passenger went in an out-door (or vice-versa) for any number of innocent reasons, including confusion.
Has to be something about this particular passenger that called attention to him --like maybe he left something behind? Couldn't be profiling.
I'm off.
121 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:35:03am |
re: #119 Alouette
They collected all the passengers and made them go through security a second time, but didn't find the guy. Freaking pandemonium. Epic Fail.
Can't wait for gubment healthcare!!
//
122 | lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:36:01am |
re: #117 ryannon
Some airports have locking doors that prevent just that occurrence - you can only exit and buzzers sound if someone tries to access the secured areas via the exits. Many, including Newark have signs warning no entry access via the exit areas. I've seen some folks try but realize they can't go that way.
It's a screwup alright.
123 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:36:08am |
re: #116 Cannadian Club Akbar
I picked the Chargers to win it all. Not here, but on FB with a lizard who can back me on my pick from last night/this morning.
The superbowl this year will be the colts/chargers championship game. Winner of that goes on to crush whoever the NFC manages to send. Go Colts!
124 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:37:55am |
re: #123 RogueOne
The superbowl this year will be the colts/chargers championship game. Winner of that goes on to crush whoever the NFC manages to send. Go Colts!
I forgot you're from Indy. I picked the Chargers because they have the same mojo that the Bucs did in 2002. Chargers have won 11 in a row. I think the Bucs reeled off 9 in a row at the end of 2002.
125 | rwdflynavy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:38:49am |
re: #119 Alouette
They collected all the passengers and made them go through security a second time, but didn't find the guy. Freaking pandemonium. Epic Fail.
I think they should just go round up some random bloggers for questioning!
//
126 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:39:11am |
re: #116 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yup. And he's WRONG!
127 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:41:27am |
re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yup. And he's WRONG!
I was gonna pick Philly for the NFC. But not after yesterday. Dallas is playing good ball. I HATE THEM!!!!
/
128 | Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:43:16am |
re: #117 ryannon
But, if said person who went in through an outdoor were to be wearing a raspberry berret.... would all this still have had to have happened?
129 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:44:42am |
re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar
I forgot you're from Indy. I picked the Chargers because they have the same mojo that the Bucs did in 2002. Chargers have won 11 in a row. I think the Bucs reeled off 9 in a row at the end of 2002.
and they always seem to beat the colts. This is the year the colts give them their payback....I hope.
130 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:48:10am |
131 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:49:35am |
132 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:50:52am |
133 | Semper Fi Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:51:22am |
re: #61 ausador
What a way to start the morning, got a call at six from mom crying and being incoherant so I rushed over there. I find dad laying in about a quart of blood in bed and barely concious. So I got EMS and the ambulance and got him taken to Bayfront. Diabetes, high blood pressure, obesity, irregular heart beat, and now liver cancer and chemo are just eating him up.
If anyone is the praying sort I would appreciate a few said for him, that they at least get the bleed stopped and can stabilize him. I know that we are going to lose him soon, but this quickly is going to be awfully hard on mom.
(my dsl line is also on the fritz, I can only get online occasionally so if I disappear thats why. Service guy comes tomorrow...)
I talked with HIM about your dad. Take heart.
134 | rwdflynavy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:51:40am |
Interesting Daily Mail article the weather
135 | rwdflynavy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:52:25am |
136 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:52:58am |
re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar
I don't see the wheels coming off the wagon with the Cowboys this year. They may get beaten, but I don't see a bonehead mistake being the cause (other than Flozell Adams, being a concern for boneheadism) of the loss.
I love my Cowboys (wearing my #12 home jersey as we type this) we've been waiting for a few years.
Could be worse. Could be a Lions fan.
137 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:53:37am |
re: #135 rwdflynavy
OMG, it is a sekrit Joo internet! I knew it!!!
I just have to figure out how to redirect every bad link to the Zionist Mall.
138 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:53:43am |
139 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:53:58am |
More ammo for my stance that those who voted for the stimulus need to be tossed:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Remember how $200 billion in federal stimulus cash was supposed to save the states from fiscal calamity? Well, hold on to your paychecks, because a big story of 2010 will be how all that free money has set the states up for an even bigger mess this year and into the future.
And another reason why my governor should run for senate against Bayh, or hold off and run for prez....
A few governors, such as Mitch Daniels of Indiana and Rick Perry of Texas, had the foresight to turn down their share of the $7 billion for unemployment insurance, realizing that once the federal funds run out, benefits would be unpayable. "One of the smartest decisions we made," says Mr. Daniels. Many governors now probably wish they had done the same.
140 | rwdflynavy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:53:58am |
re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I don't see the wheels coming off the wagon with the Cowboys this year. They may get beaten, but I don't see a bonehead mistake being the cause (other than Flozell Adams, being a concern for boneheadism) of the loss.
I love my Cowboys (wearing my #12 home jersey as we type this) we've been waiting for a few years.
Could be worse. Could be a Lions fan.
Another reason to like FBV, he is a fan of America's Team!!!
141 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:54:33am |
I have a library book that's due today, so I have to drive over black ice to return it. BBL
142 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:54:37am |
re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Shhh. SixDegrees might be here.
144 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:57:31am |
145 | SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:58:49am |
146 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:59:01am |
and another op-ed from the WSJ that's a great read (mostly because it ties in with what I said when the verdict came down ;) )
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
The Real Blackwater Scandal
Another example of prosecutorial abuse in a political case.No, not as the left would have it, that Blackwater still exists. The scandal is that the Justice Department's case against five former security guards for the military contractor unraveled late last week in what appears to be another instance of gross prosecutorial misconduct, as abusive Justice lawyers went after an unsympathetic political target.
.......
Judge Urbina dismissed the charges because prosecutors misused sworn statements the guards were compelled to make to investigators after the shooting, under the threat of job loss. This was routine practice under military contracting rules, though the statements could not be used in criminal prosecutions. Promptly after the Nisour incident these statements were also leaked to the media, which ran with the narrative of modern-day Hessians gone berserk."In their zeal to bring charges against the defendants in this case," Judge Urbina ruled, prosecutors had violated Fifth Amendment protections against self-incrimination by using these compelled statements to formulate their case and ultimately obtain indictments against the guards. The judge calls it "the government's reckless violation of the defendants' constitutional rights."
147 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:59:12am |
148 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:59:36am |
re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar
Shhh. SixDegrees might be here.
I admire Detroit Lions' fans. Really.
Don Quixotes in football jerseys they are.
149 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:00:16am |
re: #145 SixDegrees
As a matter of fact...
I admire Detroit Lions' fans. Really.
Don Quixotes in football jerseys they are.
150 | Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:00:52am |
re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So many windmills, so little time...........
151 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:01:09am |
152 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:01:23am |
re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I admire Detroit Lions' fans. Really.
Don Quixotes in football jerseys they are.
My Mom and brother are both Lions fans and my dad is a Bengals fan. It's been a rough decade for them all the way around. At least dad gets to see his bengals get beat in the playoffs this year.
153 | SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:01:29am |
re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I admire Detroit Lions' fans. Really.
Don Quixotes in football jerseys they are.
We have given a whole new definition to football suckitude, and it's been decades in the making.
154 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:02:41am |
re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar
Are ya trying to get in his will or something?
/
He's in Detroit. How much do you think's in his will?
/
*snicker*
155 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:03:35am |
re: #154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He's in Detroit. How much do you think's in his will?
/
*snicker*
Not sure but I got dibs on his Dutch Oven.
/
156 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:04:06am |
re: #154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He's in Detroit. How much do you think's in his will?
/
*snicker*
Wait, just got it.
157 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:06:29am |
re: #153 SixDegrees
We have given a whole new definition to football suckitude, and it's been decades in the making.
My mothers prized possession is a toy football signed by almost all the members of the '57 Lions team. She's managed to hold on to it for all these years.
158 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:07:58am |
re: #157 RogueOne
My mothers prized possession is a toy football signed by almost all the members of the '57 Lions team. She's managed to hold on to it for all these years.
That's way cool. I collect stuff, not to sell eventually, but just because I like stuff.
159 | rwdflynavy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:08:07am |
More guns equals less crime. Who knew!?
More guns equal more crime? Not in 2009, FBI crime report shows...
160 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:08:21am |
Heroes with feet of clay. Not Tiger Woods, this time.
161 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:10:46am |
re: #159 rwdflynavy
More guns equals less crime. Who knew!?
More guns equal more crime? Not in 2009, FBI crime report shows...
The oft-cited credo that more guns equal more crime... Oft-cited among urban liberals, who believe guns have a mind of their own.
162 | lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:12:07am |
re: #139 RogueOne
Many states are facing massive budget holes that got papered over in FY 2009-10 because of stimulus funds. Instead of facing significant budget cuts to bring the budgets back into the black, they used the federal funds to keep the budgets pretty much unchanged (though some states like NY increased spending by 8% - over and above the prior year budget despite a gaping deficit). Next year, none of these states can count on federal assistance, so they're going to see their budgets whacked.
Hard.
Tax hikes and spending cuts - or both. And even then there's no guarantee that the budgets will be balanced. See NJ as Exhibit A for the consequences of ignoring and deferring the solutions for too long.,
163 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:12:42am |
re: #139 RogueOne
More ammo for my stance that those who voted for the stimulus need to be tossed:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
According to this, Mitch Daniels is not a creationist... don't worry, the outraged will find something about him to be outraged outrageously about.
[Link: indianaskeptics.org...]
Before we are done with the GOP, we will set the bar so low that there will be no candidate that fits our model and we can't be outraged about.
Signed
The Left.
164 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:14:32am |
re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar
That's way cool. I collect stuff, not to sell eventually, but just because I like stuff.
Do your heirs a favor and clean your house out before you pass away. I've dealt with many a estate consignment, and I know they'll be grateful.
165 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:15:47am |
re: #164 The Sanity Inspector
Do your heirs a favor and clean your house out before you pass away. I've dealt with many a estate consignment, and I know they'll be grateful.
Do you know something I don't? Am I sick? Is it Lupus? (Constanza)
/
166 | Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:15:55am |
168 | cliffster Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:19:17am |
re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar
Do you know something I don't? Am I sick? Is it Lupus? (Constanza)
/
It's not lupus!
169 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:19:44am |
re: #143 badger1970
Stay safe, but dang, that's dedication.
I tried to renew it online, but there's a hold on it which means somebody else wants to read it.
The book is Michael Commelly's "9 Dragons." I'm a Connelly fan, but this book just sucked. Worst. Harry. Bosch. Novel. Ever. It's like Connelly got burned out so he had some underling write it for him, like James Patterson.
170 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:19:53am |
171 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:19:54am |
172 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:20:24am |
re: #169 Alouette
I tried to renew it online, but there's a hold on it which means somebody else wants to read it.
The book is Michael Commelly's "9 Dragons."
Connelly. PIMF.
173 | rwdflynavy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:21:18am |
174 | Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:22:47am |
175 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:23:50am |
Gotta make phone calls and go to the bank. See ya'll in a bit.
176 | HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:24:40am |
re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar
Gotta make phone calls and go to the bank. See ya'll in a bit.
Wait! You forgot to tag me in!
177 | Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:26:26am |
re: #89 ggt
Wow! Everyone join in at once.
:)
5 degrees here this morning. Sun and about 15 now. Can do anything outside.
Pain in the ...
178 | cliffster Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:27:22am |
Happy 2010 all! Supposed to get down to 16 degrees in Austin later this week. We're just not built for that sort of thing around here.
179 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:28:08am |
re: #177 Naso Tang
5 degrees here this morning. Sun and about 15 now. Can do anything outside.
Pain in the ...
Twenty degrees (f) right now, should be down to -5 (f) by Wed. night with a little snow. Basically normal for Colorado at 8200 feet.
180 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:28:12am |
But the Chinese model of using all-out force against a budding opposition movement, as used in Beijing's Tiananmen Square in 1989, may not be as effective in the Islamic Republic of 2010. The two country's systems and societies have more differences than similarities. Yet the regime nonetheless appears intent on employing tactics normally reserved for foreign threats. On Dec. 28, the security forces for the first time fired directly into crowds of protesters as the Shi'ite Ashura religious commemoration turned into the biggest nationwide demonstration since unrest erupted after the disputed June 12 election. Hundreds of activists, students, intellectuals and relatives of top opposition officials have since been detained. Judicial officials and members of parliament are now calling for opposition leaders to be prosecuted for crimes against the state including treason.
HASSAN CHOP
181 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:29:32am |
re: #137 Alouette
I just have to figure out how to redirect every bad link to the Zionist Mall.
Alouette - I was looking at the Christian jewelry, and whenever I click on an item I get this message:
Miva Merchant has encountered a fatal error and is unable to continue. The following information may assist you in determining the cause of the error:Error Code: MER-DTB-00072
Description: Product 'N-LOVE-HIS-RETURN' not found
I know you've been fiddling with your site.
Problem with that site or yours?
182 | Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:29:54am |
re: #179 Walter L. Newton
Twenty degrees (f) right now, should be down to -5 (f) by Wed. night with a little snow. Basically normal for Colorado at 8200 feet.
Weird. So warm so high, and I'm way south/east and only 3000 feet.
183 | lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:30:26am |
re: #179 Walter L. Newton
Well, it is balmy at Mount Washington (balmy being a relative term for the location with the worst weather on the planet).
184 | HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:30:57am |
re: #179 Walter L. Newton
Twenty degrees (f) right now, should be down to -5 (f) by Wed. night with a little snow. Basically normal for Colorado at 8200 feet.
It's so cold here that I put my cup of Coffee on the porch for a minute and the Ice was still steaming hot a minute later..
Hi Walter
185 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:31:21am |
Gaza Terrorists Fire Mortar Shell at Southern Israel; None HurtTerrorists in Gaza fired a mortar shell toward southern Israel on Monday afternoon.
The shell landed on the Palestinian side of the periphery fence, near Netiv Ha'asara.
No one was wounded and no damage was reported.
Siwwy tewwowists!
186 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:32:13am |
re: #178 cliffster
Happy 2010 all! Supposed to get down to 16 degrees in Austin later this week. We're just not built for that sort of thing around here.
I was in Houston between 84-89, can't remember which year (closer to 89) and it was below freezing for 2-3 weeks or more, there was a 6 month wait for certain plumbing work.
It happens.
I've lived from the East Coast to the West and I have seen winters (and summers) like this before... I've seen blizzards in NYC, I've seen hurricanes in NYC, I've seen tornados in Northern New Jersey and tornados in Dec. in Dallas.
Any time I see this figure or that figure, I check the stats. A few weeks ago when the East had that "blizzard," I checked the temp stats for Philadelphia, not unusual.
Weather happens.
187 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:32:39am |
The raid took place after the attempted bombing of a U.S.-bound plane on Christmas Day thrust Yemen into the foreground of the U.S.-led war against Islamist militants.
"Security authorities had been monitoring them for several days and struck today," a Yemeni security official told Reuters.
"These elements are believed to be behind the threats directed to the U.S. Embassy."
SNIP
188 | lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:32:51am |
re: #183 lawhawk
I always look to Mt. Washington when I think weather conditions are crappy where I live. It will invariably always be worse (like a peak wind of over 90 mph in last 24 hours, wind chill well below zero, etc.)
189 | Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:33:42am |
re: #184 HoosierHoops
It's so cold here that I put my cup of Coffee on the porch for a minute and the Ice was still steaming hot a minute later..
Hi Walter
It's so cold here my dog didn't spend 5 minutes looking for the best place for a dump. Out and in in nothing flat.
190 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:33:59am |
re: #181 reine.de.tout
I know you've been fiddling with your site.
Problem with that site or yours?
Oh crap. Probably a problem at the vendor site.
Use this link to browse while I figure out what the problem is, could be they are out of that particular item.
191 | lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:34:14am |
re: #186 Walter L. Newton
Indeed, it's winter. It's supposed to get cold. We're supposed to get snow. Wind. And especially the cold. It wouldn't be winter without those....
192 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:34:25am |
re: #185 Spare O'Lake
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
193 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:35:16am |
re: #191 lawhawk
Indeed, it's winter. It's supposed to get cold. We're supposed to get snow. Wind. And especially the cold. It wouldn't be winter without those...
In related news... Water is wet.
194 | lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:35:44am |
re: #187 MandyManners
And we're supposed to trust that the same Yemeni government, which looked the other way for years as they ran a revolving door justice system that allowed terrorists free reign are suddenly going to whack terrorists? It's for show - let's see a prolonged effort on their part.
In the meantime, no releases of Gitmo prisoners to Yemen because of the threat that they'll find their way right back into the jihad.
195 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:37:49am |
re: #184 HoosierHoops
It's so cold here that I put my cup of Coffee on the porch for a minute and the Ice was still steaming hot a minute later..
Hi Walter
The husky is sitting in his hole in the snow outside, happy as all get out. He loves this weather.
Hi.
Sunday/Monday was my days off this week. I made it through the first week at the thrift store. Schlepping furniture all week.
It's amazing how you can use clear packing tape to bind items that have multiple parts, list the multiple parts on a label, and yet, you go out to the floor and the customers have managed to tear the items apart and fling them all over the place.
Ever try to find a power supply for a modem when you have 50 loose power supplies floating around on the shelf?
196 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:38:05am |
re: #194 lawhawk
And we're supposed to trust that the same Yemeni government, which looked the other way for years as they ran a revolving door justice system that allowed terrorists free reign are suddenly going to whack terrorists? It's for show - let's see a prolonged effort on their part.
In the meantime, no releases of Gitmo prisoners to Yemen because of the threat that they'll find their way right back into the jihad.
I think the Saudis are tired of this shit, too.
197 | badger1970 Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:40:44am |
re: #195 Walter L. Newton
Yes, heaven forbid that the product listed, described and illustrated is actually the product for sale. (too many hours cleaning up after customers).
198 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:40:55am |
re: #194 lawhawk
Was North Yemen a Soviet client during the Cold War?
199 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:41:31am |
re: #191 lawhawk
Indeed, it's winter. It's supposed to get cold. We're supposed to get snow. Wind. And especially the cold. It wouldn't be winter without those...
And you know, I lived in your neck of the woods. I now sit on this side of the country, read the news sites, listen to the radio and see the stories on TV, and I sit eyes-wide-open.
This is NOT NEW. My goodness, some people act like nothing like this has ever happened before, all life, all weather, all disasters, all terror started, what... about 3 weeks ago?
Can you imagine how narrow some peoples life are when they can't see past the last issue of People magazine?
This planet (and life) has been in existence longer than it takes to watch an episode of Dancing With The Stars. Really!
200 | Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:41:46am |
re: #196 MandyManners
Well, I'm tired of the Saudi's shit, so we've got a lot of tired people.
201 | vxbush Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:41:59am |
re: #197 badger1970
Yes, heaven forbid that the product listed, described and illustrated is actually the product for sale. (too many hours cleaning up after customers).
Or coworkers.
Happy frozen Monday.
202 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:42:34am |
re: #195 Walter L. Newton
watch out where the huskies go...and don't you eat that yellow snow...
203 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:43:06am |
204 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:43:14am |
But he denied any links to al-Qaida or plans to carry out terrorist attacks in Pakistan, as alleged by Pakistani authorities.
Monday was the first time the young Muslims from the Washington, D.C., area have addressed a court after being arrested in early December in the eastern Pakistani city of Sargodha. The case has spurred fears that Westerners are traveling to Pakistan to join militant groups. Pakistani police have said they plan to seek life sentences for the men under the country's anti-terrorism law.
SNIP
205 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:43:39am |
re: #196 MandyManners
It seems that chickens are coming home to roost in a number of countries. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen have all "looked the other way" while allowing support and/or training for terrorist organizations to emanate from their territory. And then they did something the terrorist organizations did not care for and found out that the same tactics being carried out in other countries can be carried out in their own. With the infrastructure they had allowed to be built up turned against them as well.
Loyalty is a fickle thing.
207 | HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:45:35am |
re: #195 Walter L. Newton
The husky is sitting in his hole in the snow outside, happy as all get out. He loves this weather.
Hi.
Sunday/Monday was my days off this week. I made it through the first week at the thrift store. Schlepping furniture all week.
It's amazing how you can use clear packing tape to bind items that have multiple parts, list the multiple parts on a label, and yet, you go out to the floor and the customers have managed to tear the items apart and fling them all over the place.
Ever try to find a power supply for a modem when you have 50 loose power supplies floating around on the shelf?
When is Cato the Elder stopping back by after his Retreat?
He'll be all refreshed and mellowed out...
Do me a favor..Tell me when he arrives and I'll get some girl to call your house and say she is Sarah Palin...We'll put the video of his head exploding
on youtube.. A thing of Beauty..*wink*
208 | gregb Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:46:00am |
re: #185 Spare O'Lake
Siwwy tewwowists!
They should create a nation-state called Terroria and
ship all the tewwowists there.
209 | The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:47:39am |
re: #199 Walter L. Newton
And you know, I lived in your neck of the woods. I now sit on this side of the country, read the news sites, listen to the radio and see the stories on TV, and I sit eyes-wide-open.
This is NOT NEW. My goodness, some people act like nothing like this has ever happened before, all life, all weather, all disasters, all terror started, what... about 3 weeks ago?
Can you imagine how narrow some peoples life are when they can't see past the last issue of People magazine?
This planet (and life) has been in existence longer than it takes to watch an episode of Dancing With The Stars. Really!
I tried to watch Dancing With The Stars one time. Seemed like forever to me...
210 | HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:47:58am |
re: #202 Aceofwhat?
watch out where the huskies go...and don't you eat that yellow snow...
Love that song!
211 | simoom Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:48:17am |
re: #82 lawhawk
More embassies are closed in Yemen due to the ongoing terror threat. Despite claims that the Yemeni government has whacked a couple of al Qaeda terrorists, Yemen has long turned a blind eye to al Qaeda's operations in Yemen and the terror group and affiliated groups continue to use Yemen as a safe haven from which to recruit terrorists.
That reminded me off the Fox News Sunday show yesterday. During the panel discussion part, Bill Kristol was saying that closing the embassy was a sign of weakness and a victory for Al Qaida. I really wonder sometimes if folks like Kristol understand they're creating a political climate that is encouraging some really irresponsible behavior.
212 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:49:02am |
re: #207 HoosierHoops
When is Cato the Elder stopping back by after his Retreat?
He'll be all refreshed and mellowed out...
Do me a favor..Tell me when he arrives and I'll get some girl to call your house and say she is Sarah Palin...We'll put the video of his head exploding
on youtube.. A thing of Beauty..*wink*
His retreat started Dec. 22nd, 15 days, so he should be done, what...? Tomorrow or Wed. He can't call or speak for those 15 days, so I won't hear anything until mid week, if he calls at all. He has no plans as far as travel days or times, so, maybe he'll head back this way, maybe he'll head south cross country, I don't know until I hear from him.
I'll keep the Lizards informed.
213 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:49:56am |
re: #181 reine.de.tout
I know you've been fiddling with your site.
Problem with that site or yours?
I found out what the problem is. The vendor changed all their product codes. The page should work now.
They have a bunch of new products which I will have to add. When I was in Israel, I visited their workshop. I must say that the pictures on the web do not do justice to their products. It is absolutely gorgeous.
214 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:50:03am |
re: #211 simoom
No win situation for the administration. If you close the embassy it's a sign of weakness. If you don't and AQ bombs it then you ignored the danger signs and needlessly risked embassy personnel.
215 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:50:18am |
re: #180 MandyManners
OMG, this could be a huge bloodbath. LA has a big vociferous Iranian expat population.
216 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:50:38am |
re: #211 simoom
That reminded me off the Fox News Sunday show yesterday. During the panel discussion part, Bill Kristol was saying that closing the embassy was a sign of weakness and a victory for Al Qaida. I really wonder sometimes if folks like Kristol understand they're creating a political climate that is encouraging some really irresponsible behavior.
Well, I wonder if you understand that this is your opinion, and maybe he's right and you are wrong?
217 | Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:51:39am |
re: #216 Walter L. Newton
When was the last time Bill Kristol was right about anything?
218 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:52:08am |
re: #214 oaktree
No win situation for the administration. If you close the embassy it's a sign of weakness. If you don't and AQ bombs it then you ignored the danger signs and needlessly risked embassy personnel.
You analyst can't be right. Kristol is a conservative, so he must be wrong...
//
219 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:52:45am |
re: #217 Obdicut
When was the last time Bill Kristol was right about anything?
Well, I don't know, since I don't listen to him. My statement was a general statement, wasn't it? So, why don't you tell me oh wonderful one.
221 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:53:37am |
re: #213 Alouette
I found out what the problem is. The vendor changed all their product codes. The page should work now.
They have a bunch of new products which I will have to add. When I was in Israel, I visited their workshop. I must say that the pictures on the web do not do justice to their products. It is absolutely gorgeous.
It's working.
I've wanted one of the Roman glass crosses forever.
222 | deadletterboy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:55:06am |
May have been posted already, but I'm on my way to work and don't have time to read all the comments. Your pal and mine, PZ Myers has an interesting entry up at his blog about fundamentalism:
223 | Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:55:53am |
re: #219 Walter L. Newton
I don't have any recollection of Kristol being right at any point, actually-- except for years after the fact. He has excellent hindsight.
But thanks for saying I'm wonderful!
224 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:56:40am |
225 | lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:57:53am |
re: #214 oaktree
And if you turned your embassies into armed fortresses, then you get complaints that it makes them appear imperial and inaccessible, but the failure to protect them sufficiently results in bombings that cause incalculable damage and needless casualties.
226 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:58:05am |
re: #222 deadletterboy
May have been posted already, but I'm on my way to work and don't have time to read all the comments. Your pal and mine, PZ Myers has an interesting entry up at his blog about fundamentalism:
Spot on... we can find radical elements in many religions, east, west and we need to be aware of the problems when they arise... and we need to not be politically correct when dealing with any of them...
Smack them down no matter who they are.
227 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:58:08am |
re: #221 reine.de.tout
It's working.
I've wanted one of the Roman glass crosses forever.
Print out the page and leave it in places where le roi is sure to find it.
228 | simoom Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:59:03am |
re: #216 Walter L. Newton
Well, I wonder if you understand that this is your opinion, and maybe he's right and you are wrong?
When Bill Kristol uses emotionally/politically charged rhetoric like "victory for Al Qaida" when second guessing the professinals in the British and American intelligence communities, it's hard to see it as a particularly useful critique.
229 | HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:59:29am |
re: #221 reine.de.tout
It's working.
I've wanted one of the Roman glass crosses forever.
I want a star of David with a cross in it in Silver.. Only found it in Gold at the Zionist Mall..The only way I'm wearing Gold is a huge HH on a thick gold chain..
LOL
I really only wear Silver
230 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:59:37am |
re: #227 Alouette
Print out the page and leave it in places where le roi is sure to find it.
LOL.
I'm going to just get one now.
The round pendant with star & cross.
I've wanted it for a long time.
Now is the time.
231 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:59:56am |
re: #223 Obdicut
I don't have any recollection of Kristol being right at any point, actually-- except for years after the fact. He has excellent hindsight.
But thanks for saying I'm wonderful!
Like I said above, my comment was on the absolutist nature of the other comment, not on whether Kristol is always right or not.
232 | deadletterboy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:00:25am |
re: #226 Walter L. Newton
Myers is brilliant and always worth reading, if you don't mind an atheistic slant/religion bashing from time to time.
233 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:00:35am |
re: #228 simoom
When Bill Kristol uses emotionally/politically charged rhetoric like "victory for Al Qaida" when second guessing the professinals in the British and American intelligence communities, it's hard to see it as a particularly useful critique.
I'll say it again... he may be right, he may be wrong, you don't know for sure, do you?
234 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:01:17am |
re: #220 laZardo
I so wish that pic was as real as the man and the tank.
Did you read the comments there?
235 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:01:19am |
re: #232 deadletterboy
Myers is brilliant and always worth reading, if you don't mind an atheistic slant/religion bashing from time to time.
I'm an atheist, I don't care about his slant. Interesting that you did not respond to my comment... hmmm... I suspect you didn't agree with me... right?
236 | gregb Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:01:41am |
re: #180 MandyManners
The US needs China now and back then to service our national debt. When push comes to shove, if Iran were to truly threaten the US nobody cares if Iran is turned into a shinning sea of glass.
That's my view on the difference.
237 | laZardo Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:02:09am |
re: #234 Rightwingconspirator
I so wish that pic was as real as the man and the tank.
Did you read the comments there?
Yeah. The only thing that's not real about the pic is the hand gesture.
238 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:02:13am |
re: #232 deadletterboy
Myers is brilliant and always worth reading, if you don't mind an atheistic slant/religion bashing from time to time.
And no, he's not worth reading if he bashes from time to time. I prefer an intelligent argument, not bashing.
239 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:02:35am |
re: #229 HoosierHoops
I want a star of David with a cross in it in Silver.. Only found it in Gold at the Zionist Mall..The only way I'm wearing Gold is a huge HH on a thick gold chain..
LOL
I really only wear Silver
HH, I only wear silver too. Gold does not look good on my olive skin.
Here's one:
240 | deadletterboy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:02:50am |
re: #235 Walter L. Newton
No i do indeed agree with you. Fundamentalism is dangerous in all forms. But like I said, out the door to work at the bookstore now. Later folks.
241 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:02:52am |
U.S. officials in Washington said the new security measures would be implemented Monday but there were few visible changes on the ground in Europe, which has thousands of passengers on hundreds of daily flights to the United States.
In addition, few if any changes in airline procedures were reported in the 14 countries named by the U.S. as security risks, although officials in Saudi Arabia said extra security personnel had been placed at the airport. No changes were seen Monday at international airports in Syria, Libya or Lebanon, three other countries on the list.
SNIP
242 | SteveC Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:03:11am |
re: #233 Walter L. Newton
I'll say it again... he may be right, he may be wrong, you don't know for sure, do you?
You may be right...
I may be crazy!
But it just may be a lunatic
that you're looking for...
- Bill Kristol, You May be Right
from the 1980 album Glass Houses
243 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:03:58am |
re: #242 SteveC
You may be right...
I may be crazy!
But it just may be a lunatic
that you're looking for...
- Bill Kristol, You May be Right
from the 1980 album Glass Houses
I thought Kristol was a political commentator? Now you are confusing me.
244 | laZardo Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:04:38am |
re: #243 Walter L. Newton
I thought Kristol was a political commentator? Now you are confusing me.
Bill Kristol, from the City Slickers movie series? q;
245 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:04:41am |
re: #163 Walter L. Newton
According to this, Mitch Daniels is not a creationist... don't worry, the outraged will find something about him to be outraged outrageously about.
[Link: indianaskeptics.org...]
Before we are done with the GOP, we will set the bar so low that there will be no candidate that fits our model and we can't be outraged about.
Signed
The Left.
So far the biggest scandal he's had to manage was bringing Indiana into the daylight savings time format. He got more grief over that than anything else he's done.
247 | SteveC Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:05:31am |
re: #243 Walter L. Newton
I thought Kristol was a political commentator? Now you are confusing me.
I confuse myself sometimes, Walter! Think nothing of it!
(The song is by Billy Joel, of course. I'm not sure if Bill Kristol has any musical talent.)
248 | Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:05:37am |
re: #231 Walter L. Newton
Well, Walter, I think a lot of people realize that when they speak, they're just giving their own opinion. You probably don't have to remind everyone of that.
But it's sweet of you to care!
249 | HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:06:03am |
re: #245 RogueOne
So far the biggest scandal he's had to manage was bringing Indiana into the daylight savings time format. He got more grief over that than anything else he's done.
Property Taxes was a big deal last year...He has been a good Gov. overall
251 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:06:46am |
re: #246 MandyManners
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Someone picking up a passenger told an officer guarding the exit that he thought he saw a man enter through the doors Sunday, TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis said. TSA reviewed surveillance video before sweeping the airport, she said.
The video confirmed the man had entered through the exit, and officials made passengers leave the terminal and be rescreened.
SNIP
253 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:07:52am |
re: #239 reine.de.tout
re: #229 HoosierHoops
I like silver too but-
For anyone who loves the white metal silver look, and finds platinum to be way too much money, take a look at palladium jewelry. The metal costs about the same as 14kt. Platinum family, naturally white and 95% pure. Its my favorite. Caveat-I helped work up the jewelry palladium alloys, so I'm not objective. Counter caveat- At work I sell all the jewelry metals to shops and factories, so as long as anyone like any of them, I'm happy.
254 | cliffster Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:07:53am |
@shitmydadsays "Mom is smarter than you...No? Well, ask yourself this; has mom ever unknowingly had toilet paper hanging out of her ass?...Mom 1. You 0"
255 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:08:29am |
re: #237 laZardo
Was that an opposition guy?
256 | SteveC Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:08:34am |
re: #252 Obdicut
It was Oscar Meyers.
Oh yeah, the guy who was arrested last year for showing off his wiener!
257 | SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:09:08am |
Geez - I'm gone for a little while, and you're already divvying up my stuff.
I've got a gold crown - don't forget that, you bloodsuckers.
/
258 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:10:14am |
re: #253 Rightwingconspirator
re: #229 HoosierHoops
I like silver too but-
For anyone who loves the white metal silver look, and finds platinum to be way too much money, take a look at palladium jewelry. The metal costs about the same as 14kt. Platinum family, naturally white and 95% pure. Its my favorite. Caveat-I helped work up the jewelry palladium alloys, so I'm not objective. Counter caveat- At work I sell all the jewelry metals to shops and factories, so as long as anyone like any of them, I'm happy.
I'll take a look.
I also like titanium.
And of course platinum is gorgeous.
yellow gold though - it honestly does not look good on my green-ish skin.
259 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:10:35am |
re: #217 Obdicut
When was the last time Bill Kristol was right about anything?
I think he's right about our Nigerian homie in custody...that guy deserves my civil liberties less than just about anyone on the planet. We should be treating him differently than a common criminal. I'm not saying we should torture him, but I hate that folks of this ilk get all of the same protections that I do. He's not a criminal - he's a terrorist. Kristol is right. It's not the same thing.
260 | SteveC Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:10:35am |
re: #257 SixDegrees
Geez - I'm gone for a little while, and you're already divvying up my stuff.
I've got a gold crown - don't forget that, you bloodsuckers.
/
McCoy: He's dead, Jim.
Spock: Dibs on his stuff!
261 | laZardo Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:10:45am |
re: #255 Rightwingconspirator
Was that an opposition
guygirl?
If it was, then that was the last time anybody saw her.
262 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:11:20am |
Mayor L.E. Godwin III said Monday he was shocked when the large black doll was found Saturday morning on Main Street in the small Georgia town.
U.S. Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan says the agency is investigating. He declined to elaborate.
SNIP
263 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:12:02am |
I'm sure this has been covered but it was news to me....
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
Panic room saved artist Kurt Westergaard from Islamist assassinHe did not have time to collect the child from the living room before locking himself into a “panic room”, a specially fortified bathroom. He said the assailant had shouted “swear words, really crude words” and shrieked about “blood” and “revenge”, as he smashed the axe in vain against the bathroom door.
“I feared for my grandchild,” he told Jyllands-Posten, the newspaper that had commissioned the cartoon. “But she did great. I knew that he wouldn’t do anything to her.” He went on: “It was close, really close. But we did it.”
I knew he had locked himself in a panic room, didn't know he left the 5 yr old to fend for herself.
264 | HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:12:31am |
re: #239 reine.de.tout
HH, I only wear silver too. Gold does not look good on my olive skin.
Here's one:
Close..But it's got glass on it...Guys just don't wear glass around the neck..
It's the law or something....Very close to what I'm looking for Sans glass
265 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:13:49am |
re: #253 Rightwingconspirator
re: #229 HoosierHoops
I like silver too but-
For anyone who loves the white metal silver look, and finds platinum to be way too much money, take a look at palladium jewelry. The metal costs about the same as 14kt. Platinum family, naturally white and 95% pure. Its my favorite. Caveat-I helped work up the jewelry palladium alloys, so I'm not objective. Counter caveat- At work I sell all the jewelry metals to shops and factories, so as long as anyone like any of them, I'm happy.
Their horrible website design gave me a headache.
266 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:14:34am |
That was back when nations waged war against one another; today's bad guys are increasingly "non-state actors." Near the top of the list right now are Naser Abdel-Karim Wahishi and former Guantanamo detainee Saeed Ali Shehri, the leaders of the Yemen-based Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP). AQAP is believed to have trained and outfitted alleged airline bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. There is also intelligence suggesting that radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, the Yemen-based cyber pen pal of Major Nidal Hasan, who is accused of killing 13 Army personnel at Fort Hood in November, may have been in contact with Abdulmutallab.
SNIP
267 | Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:14:47am |
re: #259 Aceofwhat?
I disagree with you and Bill Kristol on that, then. I think the justice system can deal with murdering (attempted) pricks like him.
What way would you like to see him treated? What particular civil liberty do you think should be stripped from him?
268 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:15:49am |
re: #264 HoosierHoops
Close..But it's got glass on it...Guys just don't wear glass around the neck..
It's the law or something...Very close to what I'm looking for Sans glass
Sorry, Zionist Mall don't do daddy bling.
269 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:16:04am |
re: #267 Obdicut
I disagree with you and Bill Kristol on that, then. I think the justice system can deal with murdering (attempted) pricks like him.
What way would you like to see him treated? What particular civil liberty do you think should be stripped from him?
Underwear.
270 | SteveC Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:16:17am |
Starting this year, doctors who serve as board members for drugmakers and biotech companies can't make more than $5,000 a day for doing so, the New York Times reports.
Well, I'm in the wrong line of work, obviously!
271 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:16:19am |
re: #264 HoosierHoops
Close..But it's got glass on it...Guys just don't wear glass around the neck..
It's the law or something...Very close to what I'm looking for Sans glass
Heh.
Start a trend.
272 | simoom Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:16:38am |
re: #233 Walter L. Newton
I'll say it again... he may be right, he may be wrong, you don't know for sure, do you?
Right about what though? He never outright said closing the embassy was a mistake, even though that seemed to be what he was implying. Maybe right that closing the embassy was a "victory for Al Qaida"? What does that even mean? That they got a morale boost from it? I'm not entirely sure why the Administration should care what a bunch of terrorists think when making decisions that effect the saftey of our embassy staff.
I'd honestly be shocked if Kristol actually thought he was making an intellectually honest foriegn policy critique, and not just hammering away at the right-wing think-tank produced "the Obama administration projects weakness and is hopelessly failing at prosecuting the war on terror" meme.
273 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:16:53am |
re: #267 Obdicut
I disagree with you and Bill Kristol on that, then. I think the justice system can deal with murdering (attempted) pricks like him.
What way would you like to see him treated? What particular civil liberty do you think should be stripped from him?
What kind of deal are you willing to give him in order to get him to talk?
274 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:17:12am |
275 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:18:10am |
In the north, Yemeni Shia rebels said that at least 16 people had died in air strikes carried out by Saudi Arabia. The rebels said that 19 people had been wounded in the two raids over the weekend.
The al-Qaeda members were killed when Yemeni troops pushed into the mountain area of Arhab, 50 miles north of the capital, where some tribal leaders are sympathetic to the Islamist extremists.
They were searching for Nazeeh al-Hanaq, an al-Qaeda chief whom Yemeni officials suspect is planning an attack on either the US or British embassy, a threat that has led to the two missions being closed for the past two days.
Al-Hanaq escaped after a prolonged gun battle but two of his men died, Yemeni security officials said.
SNIP
277 | HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:18:31am |
re: #263 RogueOne
I'm sure this has been covered but it was news to me...
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
I knew he had locked himself in a panic room, didn't know he left the 5 yr old to fend for herself.
Agreed... Leave a baseball bat or an Axe by the door...
Everybody or nobody uses the safe room.. Nobody gets left behind...esp..Crying 5 year old girls..For Gawds sake
278 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:18:43am |
re: #272 simoom
Right about what though? He never outright said closing the embassy was a mistake, even though that seemed to be what he was implying. Maybe right that closing the embassy was a "victory for Al Qaida"? What does that even mean? That they got a morale boost from it? I'm not entirely sure why the Administration should care what a bunch of terrorists think when making decisions that effect the saftey of our embassy staff.
I'd honestly be shocked if Kristol actually thought he was making an intellectually honest foriegn policy critique, and not just hammering away at the right-wing think-tank produced "the Obama administration projects weakness and is hopelessly failing at prosecuting the war on terror" meme.
Never mind. You just answered my question. Good luck.
279 | Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:19:37am |
re: #273 RogueOne
I'm not in any position to give him a deal. I think the whole 'cutting people deals to get after the bigger people' tends to be endlessly reductive, as well. I'm in no way a law enforcement professional, so my basic instinct on this is uninformed, but it seems to me that just charging people for the crimes they commit would be more effective than constantly cutting deals with people and granting them immunity.
280 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:21:55am |
re: #61 ausador
What a way to start the morning, got a call at six from mom crying and being incoherant so I rushed over there. I find dad laying in about a quart of blood in bed and barely concious. So I got EMS and the ambulance and got him taken to Bayfront. Diabetes, high blood pressure, obesity, irregular heart beat, and now liver cancer and chemo are just eating him up.
If anyone is the praying sort I would appreciate a few said for him, that they at least get the bleed stopped and can stabilize him. I know that we are going to lose him soon, but this quickly is going to be awfully hard on mom.
(my dsl line is also on the fritz, I can only get online occasionally so if I disappear thats why. Service guy comes tomorrow...)
Prayers will be said. And I'll try to get Irish Rose to add her to the Prayer List.
281 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:22:20am |
re: #277 HoosierHoops
Unbelievable. Leaving a 5 year old to the mercies of a killer.
Coward.
282 | SteveC Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:23:13am |
Maybe it IS unwrapping your DNA....
Now researchers at the Center for Nonlinear Studies at Los Alamos National Laboratory have shown that terahertz radiation may be able to do some serious damage to the DNA it encounters when bouncing off your body
283 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:23:16am |
Kurt Westergaard said in an interview with The Associated Press that he believes he is being targeted by Muslim extremists because he stands by his cartoon and insists he has "not done anything wrong."
The 74-year-old artist said he was shocked by Friday's attack during which a Somali man broke into his home armed with an ax.
Westergaard said police cannot protect him 100 percent from "the terrorist type" who acts spontaneously and is "not part of a conspiracy."
SNIP
How does one say "Sudden Jihad Syndrome" in Dutch?
284 | HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:25:41am |
re: #280 Dark_Falcon
Prayers will be said. And I'll try to get Irish Rose to add her to the Prayer List.
I added ausador to the prayer list...
Very sad... a tough time for a fellow lizard's family
285 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:25:59am |
re: #281 Rightwingconspirator
Unbelievable. Leaving a 5 year old to the mercies of a killer. Coward.
"“I feared for my grandchild,” he told Jyllands-Posten, the newspaper that had commissioned the cartoon. “But she did great. I knew that he wouldn’t do anything to her.” He went on: “It was close, really close. But we did it.”
Very strange reaction from him. Age, fear, nature of the society he comes from... ?
286 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:26:50am |
re: #275 MandyManners
SNIP
The economic issue is a big part of the reason Radical Islam has achieved popularity in Yemen. Poverty does not lead to revolution, it can act as wood for the fire when coupled to a revolutionary movement and a certain amount of social disorganization.
287 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:26:53am |
re: #282 SteveC
Is that going to end the body scan program? If proven who would still fly?
Saw your nic. Doctor? Surgeon?
288 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:27:35am |
re: #279 Obdicut
I'm not in any position to give him a deal. I think the whole 'cutting people deals to get after the bigger people' tends to be endlessly reductive, as well. I'm in no way a law enforcement professional, so my basic instinct on this is uninformed, but it seems to me that just charging people for the crimes they commit would be more effective than constantly cutting deals with people and granting them immunity.
My only point is asking was the feds are trying to soften him up with some kind of deal, what the deal is no one is saying. If they had decided to consider him an enemy combatant, they wouldn't have put themselves behind the 8-ball like this and they could continue to ask him questions as long as they liked without worrying about a civilian trial.
289 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:27:39am |
re: #284 HoosierHoops
I added ausador to the prayer list...
Very sad... a tough time for a fellow lizard's family
Thanks, Hoops.
290 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:27:48am |
King Buyelekhaya Dalindyebo, who is Mandela’s nephew, says he will declare independence and lay claim to 60% of the country’s territory unless President Jacob Zuma withdraws the charges for which he faces a 15-year jail sentence.
The threat is deeply embarrassing to the ruling African National Congress because the king’s Thembu tribe are one of the largest constituents of the Xhosa group — from which many ANC leaders have come. Mandela’s grandson, Mandla, a Thembu chief, is one of the king’s strongest supporters.
The king is on bail pending an appeal against his sentence on charges stemming from violence against his subjects in the early 1990s, during which a woman and children were kidnapped, homes burnt and youths assaulted, one of whom died.
SNIP
291 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:28:20am |
re: #285 Walter L. Newton
How could he "know" the child would not be hurt?
292 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:28:38am |
293 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:28:41am |
re: #286 Dark_Falcon
The economic issue is a big part of the reason Radical Islam has achieved popularity in Yemen. Poverty does not lead to revolution, it can act as wood for the fire when coupled to a revolutionary movement and a certain amount of social disorganization.
How many of the 9-11 planners and executors were from poor families? What about the Undie Bomber?
294 | HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:29:23am |
re: #285 Walter L. Newton
"“I feared for my grandchild,” he told Jyllands-Posten, the newspaper that had commissioned the cartoon. “But she did great. I knew that he wouldn’t do anything to her.” He went on: “It was close, really close. But we did it.”
Very strange reaction from him. Age, fear, nature of the society he comes from... ?
You defend the young child...Sitting in a safe room leaving the child behind is cowardly. Period.
295 | SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:29:23am |
re: #282 SteveC
Interesting. I'll note that the effect described has only been predicted by a model, and has yet to be observed. It does sound like something worth looking for, however.
And like x-rays, I wouldn't be as concerned about a single scan as the effect of multiple scans over a period of time. I don't travel that much, but I know people who take hundreds of flights per year as part of their job.
296 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:30:10am |
re: #292 Aceofwhat?
Better make a gold foil set of underwear.
297 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:30:17am |
re: #288 RogueOne
My only point is asking was the feds are trying to soften him up with some kind of deal, what the deal is no one is saying. If they had decided to consider him an enemy combatant, they wouldn't have put themselves behind the 8-ball like this and they could continue to ask him questions as long as they liked without worrying about a civilian trial.
Under the UCMJ, he would have had the right to remain silent as well as the right to have an attorney during all questioning.
298 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:30:49am |
299 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:30:50am |
re: #293 MandyManners
How many of the 9-11 planners and executors were from poor families? What about the Undie Bomber?
The terrorists Al Qaeda sends west aren't poor, and I know that poverty is not the cause of terrorism. But when coupled to corruption and social disorganization, poverty can help terrorists establish their safe havens. That's all I was saying.
300 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:30:52am |
re: #291 Rightwingconspirator
How could he "know" the child would not be hurt?
re: #294 HoosierHoops
You defend the young child...Sitting in a safe room leaving the child behind is cowardly. Period.
I agree... I was just pulling this quote from the article so everyone could see it. I wasn't agreeing with him.
301 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:31:05am |
re: #277 HoosierHoops
Agreed... Leave a baseball bat or an Axe by the door...
Everybody or nobody uses the safe room.. Nobody gets left behind...esp..Crying 5 year old girls..For Gawds sake
He left his 5-year-old granddaughter behind?
Lawdy -
He "knew" the intruder wouldn't do anything to her, he said.
yeah, right - He's just lucky she wasn't injured or killed.
Unbelievable.
302 | SteveC Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:31:23am |
re: #287 Rightwingconspirator
Is that going to end the body scan program? If proven who would still fly?
Saw your nic. Doctor? Surgeon?
Patient!
(I'm the guy who know the doc is lying when he says "This won't hurt a bit!")
303 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:31:37am |
re: #299 Dark_Falcon
The terrorists Al Qaeda sends west aren't poor, and I know that poverty is not the cause of terrorism. But when coupled to corruption and social disorganization, poverty can help terrorists establish their safe havens. That's all I was saying.
The structure of Yemen's society and government is to blame for the disintegration.
304 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:32:22am |
re: #283 MandyManners
You know what can protect him 100% of the time from spontaneous threats? Buckshot. God bless my right to bear arms.
305 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:33:16am |
re: #298 MandyManners
Heh. Fashion issue, yellow or gray? I guess neither Fruit of the Loom or Victoria's secret won't be out with these anytime soon.
306 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:33:26am |
re: #296 Rightwingconspirator
Better make a gold foil set of underwear.
i'm not tolerant of chafing. boxers, maybe...
307 | HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:34:32am |
re: #300 Walter L. Newton
I agree... I was just pulling this quote from the article so everyone could see it. I wasn't agreeing with him.
I caught that Walter... Strange a man would hide in a safe room in fear and leave a little girl behind...I guess he didn't get the memo that Terrorists want him dead.. bad...
308 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:35:05am |
re: #303 MandyManners
The structure of Yemen's society and government is to blame for the disintegration.
Agreed.
309 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:35:08am |
A young militant, recently returned from Pakistan, was whipping up opposition to the school in the small village outside Mazar-i-Sharif in northern Afghanistan. At night, he and his allies put leaflets on doorsteps. During the day, they patrolled the street in front of the school on motorbikes and warned the girls to stay away.
The principal was told to shut down the 7-year-old school or face assassination. To reduce the risk of beheading, he moved out of his home.
SNIP
310 | Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:39:18am |
re: #288 RogueOne
I'm not sure how him being an enemy combatant leads to him answering more questions. Can you explain?
311 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:40:58am |
re: #295 SixDegrees
That would be enough risk pending real world tests to stop anyone from selling this as a consumer product. For example if someone wanted their workers to pass through before leaving the jewelry factory, or areas with secret items, OSHA would be all over them.
312 | Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:44:07am |
re: #259 Aceofwhat?
I think he's right about our Nigerian homie in custody...that guy deserves my civil liberties less than just about anyone on the planet. We should be treating him differently than a common criminal. I'm not saying we should torture him, but I hate that folks of this ilk get all of the same protections that I do. He's not a criminal - he's a terrorist. Kristol is right. It's not the same thing.
He was arrested in US territory, and that means he gets full US civil rights like any other foreign national arrested in the US. You can't abrogate the US Constitution just because you think he deserves harsher punishment.
313 | albusteve Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:46:13am |
Iranians say no to Kerry
[Link: thehill.com...]
314 | MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:48:59am |
re: #313 albusteve
Iranians say no to Kerry
[Link: thehill.com...]
Maybe if he tied a pork chop under his chin he could get a dog to play with him.
315 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:49:23am |
re: #310 Obdicut
I'm not sure how him being an enemy combatant leads to him answering more questions. Can you explain?
re: #312 Charles
He was arrested in US territory, and that means he gets full US civil rights like any other foreign national arrested in the US. You can't abrogate the US Constitution just because you think he deserves harsher punishment.
The designation of a person as a combatant as opposed to a foreign national who commits a crime is spelled out in the constitution? where?
316 | SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:49:25am |
re: #314 MandyManners
Maybe if he tied a pork chop under his chin he could get a dog to play with him.
LOL.
317 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:52:01am |
re: #312 Charles
He was arrested in US territory, and that means he gets full US civil rights like any other foreign national arrested in the US. You can't abrogate the US Constitution just because you think he deserves harsher punishment.
One of the largest spy rings in this country were tried in criminal court...
"The 14 men who entered pleas of not guilty were brought to jury trial in Federal District Court, Brooklyn, New York, on September 3, 1941; and they were all found guilty on December 13, 1941."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
318 | albusteve Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:52:16am |
re: #314 MandyManners
Maybe if he tied a pork chop under his chin he could get a dog to play with him.
certainly has drifted off the map
319 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:52:23am |
re: #313 albusteve
Iranians say no to Kerry
[Link: thehill.com...]
Good. Kerry shouldn't have been allowed to even propose the trip in the first place. His idea of diplomacy is to try to negotiate our surrender.
320 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:52:33am |
re: #312 Charles
Besides, we're discussing what we would like to happen, not what is currently legal or practice. Or at least, I was discussing it thus. I am not saying that we are operating incorrectly in a technically legal sense at the moment, just that I don't like the current framework.
321 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:53:33am |
re: #320 Aceofwhat?
Besides, we're discussing what we would like to happen, not what is currently legal or practice. Or at least, I was discussing it thus. I am not saying that we are operating incorrectly in a technically legal sense at the moment, just that I don't like the current framework.
So, you would like something to happen which is not currently legal or practice?
322 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:53:38am |
re: #312 Charles
Quite so, and I suggest a special facility, a separate prison where the Red Cross etc can come and visit. No need to mix terror convicts and regular prison populations.
I just wish the previous and current Presidents had taken a stricter look at the Constitution when they started data mining and listening to data-basing/record collecting our phone calls.
323 | Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:54:43am |
324 | albusteve Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:55:58am |
Berkeley High May Cut Out Science Labs
The proposal would trade labs seen as benefiting white students for resources to help struggling students.
racial overtones?..the science labs are exactly what is needed...this is insane, imo
[Link: www.eastbayexpress.com...]
325 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:56:14am |
re: #321 Walter L. Newton
So, you would like something to happen which is not currently legal or practice?
Absolutely. I don't think that american citizens who commit acts of 'terrorism' should be tried differently. i don't think that foreign nationals who commit 'crimes' (larceny, theft) should be tried differently. I would love to see a practice by which foreign nationals deemed to have attempted or commited an act of 'terrorism' to be tried via tribunal. they have information whose extraction is far more important than the other cases. make sense?
326 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:57:46am |
re: #325 Aceofwhat?
Absolutely. I don't think that american citizens who commit acts of 'terrorism' should be tried differently. i don't think that foreign nationals who commit 'crimes' (larceny, theft) should be tried differently. I would love to see a practice by which foreign nationals deemed to have attempted or commited an act of 'terrorism' to be tried via tribunal. they have information whose extraction is far more important than the other cases. make sense?
No, since it's not the law. You forget that little factor?
327 | albusteve Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:58:07am |
re: #319 Dark_Falcon
Good. Kerry shouldn't have been allowed to even propose the trip in the first place. His idea of diplomacy is to try to negotiate our surrender.
he had the blessings of the WH of course...btw where are those tough sanctions aimed at the Rev Guard (endorsed by the Russins and Chinese) anyway, and what could they possibly be?
328 | Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:58:41am |
re: #325 Aceofwhat?
So how do we go about that extraction? What would you like to see happen?
329 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:59:06am |
re: #323 Obdicut
Dude, think about what you just said. The constitution, as written, applies to all persons.
No, it applies to all citizens and all persons tried in our courts.
We can deport foreign nationals. Is that in the constitution?
don't confuse the constitution and US law.
330 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:00:36am |
re: #329 Aceofwhat?
No, it applies to all citizens and all persons tried in our courts. We can deport foreign nationals. Is that in the constitution?
don't confuse the constitution and US law.
Go read this and then get back to us...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
331 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:01:31am |
re: #325 Aceofwhat?
Ace, word to the wise: Step back, Log off, and come back later. You're on dangerous ground there. Take some time to think.
332 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:01:47am |
re: #326 Walter L. Newton
No, since it's not the law. You forget that little factor?
What, exactly, do you think our legislation is supposed to do for a living? I would be in favor of a change in the law...why is that such a radical concept?
333 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:01:58am |
re: #323 Obdicut
Remember this exception, where the snowball started to roll and grow larger and larger...
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]
Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan in 1981, provides for such warrantless searches directed against "a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power."
The debate over warrantless searches came up after the case of CIA spy Aldrich Ames. Authorities had searched Ames's house without a warrant, and the Justice Department feared that Ames's lawyers would challenge the search in court. Meanwhile, Congress began discussing a measure under which the authorization for break-ins would be handled like the authorization for wiretaps, that is, by the FISA court. In her testimony, Gorelick signaled that the administration would go along a congressional decision to place such searches under the court — if, as she testified, it "does not restrict the president's ability to collect foreign intelligence necessary for the national security." In the end, Congress placed the searches under the FISA court, but the Clinton administration did not back down from its contention that the president had the authority to act when necessary.
334 | SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:02:22am |
re: #320 Aceofwhat?
Besides, we're discussing what we would like to happen, not what is currently legal or practice. Or at least, I was discussing it thus. I am not saying that we are operating incorrectly in a technically legal sense at the moment, just that I don't like the current framework.
Why? The US Justice system has held trials in ordinary criminal courts for dozens of people charged with terrorist activities within the US proper, and has had no difficulty obtaining guilty verdicts against them at all. In this particular case, if the Feds aren't able to get a guilty verdict in such a slam-dunk case, the guy deserves to walk simply as punishment for the US for gross incompetence.
335 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:03:55am |
re: #332 Aceofwhat?
What, exactly, do you think our legislation is supposed to do for a living? I would be in favor of a change in the law...why is that such a radical concept?
When the law changes, then come back and tell us what you want done to these people. Before that, you are simply wrong. Did you read the article about the Nazi spy ring. I posted it twice to give you some detailed info on what we can do and can't do to foreign national caught on our soil.
Ignoring that, heh?
336 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:04:00am |
re: #331 Dark_Falcon
Ace, word to the wise: Step back, Log off, and come back later. You're on dangerous ground there. Take some time to think.
I don't know what that means. If this isn't a forum to explore dangerous ground, where should we go?
337 | albusteve Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:04:16am |
re: #332 Aceofwhat?
What, exactly, do you think our legislation is supposed to do for a living? I would be in favor of a change in the law...why is that such a radical concept?
it isn't, but til then it has to be played straight up
338 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:04:58am |
re: #334 SixDegrees
Why? The US Justice system has held trials in ordinary criminal courts for dozens of people charged with terrorist activities within the US proper, and has had no difficulty obtaining guilty verdicts against them at all. In this particular case, if the Feds aren't able to get a guilty verdict in such a slam-dunk case, the guy deserves to walk simply as punishment for the US for gross incompetence.
As I have posted, just in case anyone needs a refresher...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
339 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:05:47am |
re: #336 Aceofwhat?
I don't know what that means. If this isn't a forum to explore dangerous ground, where should we go?
I tend to advise ever exploring dangerous ground. Stick to the safe ways, is my advice.
I'm off to work. BBT
340 | SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:05:48am |
re: #325 Aceofwhat?
Absolutely. I don't think that american citizens who commit acts of 'terrorism' should be tried differently. i don't think that foreign nationals who commit 'crimes' (larceny, theft) should be tried differently. I would love to see a practice by which foreign nationals deemed to have attempted or commited an act of 'terrorism' to be tried via tribunal. they have information whose extraction is far more important than the other cases. make sense?
Doesn't make sense to me. In fact, it scares the shit out of me. Note that even you had to put 'terrorism' in quotes, because there is no legal definition of what it means. The extension of such a designation to any arbitrary person, which removes all semblance of checks, balances and legal protection of the accused is far too fraught with potential for abuse.
341 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:06:09am |
re: #337 albusteve
it isn't, but til then it has to be played straight up
re: #335 Walter L. Newton
When the law changes, then come back and tell us what you want done to these people. Before that, you are simply wrong. Did you read the article about the Nazi spy ring. I posted it twice to give you some detailed info on what we can do and can't do to foreign national caught on our soil.
Ignoring that, heh?
I am not disagreeing with either of you. I offered my opinion in theory. t-h-e-o-r-y. i appreciate your attempts to steer me back, but rest assured that i hadn't jumped as far off of the ship as you'd thought.
342 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:06:53am |
re: #340 SixDegrees
Doesn't make sense to me. In fact, it scares the shit out of me. Note that even you had to put 'terrorism' in quotes, because there is no legal definition of what it means. The extension of such a designation to any arbitrary person, which removes all semblance of checks, balances and legal protection of the accused is far too fraught with potential for abuse.
it would need to be defined, i agree.
343 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:07:49am |
re: #341 Aceofwhat?
I am not disagreeing with either of you. I offered my opinion in theory. t-h-e-o-r-y. i appreciate your attempts to steer me back, but rest assured that i hadn't jumped as far off of the ship as you'd thought.
Well, maybe you need to examine what you have been saying above, because you certainly are sounding like you are "jumping ship." And that opinion is coming from a whole lot of conservatives here.
Just an observation.
344 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:08:11am |
re: #297 MandyManners
Under the UCMJ, he would have had the right to remain silent as well as the right to have an attorney during all questioning.
As an enemy combatant he doesn't fall under the guidelines of the UCMJ.
345 | Political Atheist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:08:22am |
346 | Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:08:29am |
re: #342 Aceofwhat?
it would need to be defined, i agree.
Think of the Civil Rights movement with the laws you want. We'd have Martin Luther King Jr. and many others locked up as 'terrorists' with no recourse. Though you still haven't explained what it is you actually want to happen.
347 | lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:08:50am |
re: #334 SixDegrees
In many of the cases of terrorists tried and convicted domestically, the evidence was clear cut. Shoe bomber Richard Reid being but one example. He was caught trying to blow up a plane with explosives in his shoes.
That's the closest example to the Mutallab case, and one that shows that the federal court system can work to deal with those kinds of cases.
Things get a whole lot more difficult when you deal with terrorists caught overseas that weren't Mirandized and/or captured on the battlefield without regard to law enforcement considerations. Evidence isn't exactly a priority in a battlefield situation (and nor should it be when the idea is to kill the enemy than prepare him for trial).
348 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:11:09am |
re: #346 Obdicut
Think of the Civil Rights movement with the laws you want. We'd have Martin Luther King Jr. and many others locked up as 'terrorists' with no recourse. Though you still haven't explained what it is you actually want to happen.
we'll never get that far. we can end the discussion. my fault for offering an "i think" without prefacing that "i realize this isn't currently the framework". on the other hand, i was clear in keeping my hypothetical to a foreign national case, which you and others have blown right by. let's move to a different topic. too much misunderstanding here to salvage, and it was mostly my fault.
349 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:12:47am |
re: #347 lawhawk
all true, but the president (with the blessing of congress) has the ability to classify certain persons as "enemy combatants" and the pantie bomber would certainly be eligible for that classification. At that point they're entitled to question him using any of the OK'd methods, most of those methods are in the Army FM. OTOH, the CIA isn't technically bound by the army FM.
350 | Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:14:27am |
re: #348 Aceofwhat?
No, I realize you started with foreign nationals. My point is that the laws would be immediately abused, as almost all prosecutorial laws have. That's why you don't want to hand the government too much power.
There's no reason, in your logic, that this should be restricted to foreign nationals, either. The Constitution does not divide between foreign and domestic, rational thinking about terrorism wouldn't divide between them, either. There's no reason someone would be a less dangerous terrorist, or you'd have less need to extract information, if they were a citizen of the US.
There is no level on which your idea works for me, and it's distinctly Statist in a way that creeps me the hell out.
351 | SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:16:06am |
re: #347 lawhawk
In many of the cases of terrorists tried and convicted domestically, the evidence was clear cut. Shoe bomber Richard Reid being but one example. He was caught trying to blow up a plane with explosives in his shoes.
That's the closest example to the Mutallab case, and one that shows that the federal court system can work to deal with those kinds of cases.
Things get a whole lot more difficult when you deal with terrorists caught overseas that weren't Mirandized and/or captured on the battlefield without regard to law enforcement considerations. Evidence isn't exactly a priority in a battlefield situation (and nor should it be when the idea is to kill the enemy than prepare him for trial).
That is, indeed, a problem. Although as signatories to the Geneva Treaties, we ought to let those govern such cases, simply on the grounds that if we're going to call it the "War on Terror" then we ought to be applying the rules already in place that govern conduct during warfare.
As such, the nebulous status of the "enemy combatant" gets tossed, those held retain their right of habeus corpus, and techniques like torture are strictly prohibited. For that matter, any extensive questioning at all is prohibited, beyond establishment of name and rank.
Frankly, I'd much rather have him face ordinary criminal charges - including the ability to plea bargain. I'm certain we'd be happy to offer, say, prayer rugs and a general indication of the direction of Mecca, say, in exchange for whatever slight information someone like this might possess.
The alternative, as I see it, is indefinite detention, suspension of our entire civilization's legal framework for the last thousand years or so, and...nothing else.
352 | SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:19:48am |
re: #349 RogueOne
all true, but the president (with the blessing of congress) has the ability to classify certain persons as "enemy combatants" and the pantie bomber would certainly be eligible for that classification. At that point they're entitled to question him using any of the OK'd methods, most of those methods are in the Army FM. OTOH, the CIA isn't technically bound by the army FM.
The Supreme Court has held that detainees held as enemy combatants are entitled to access to the US justice system.
353 | subsailor68 Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:27:38am |
Here's the text of Al Qaeda's 1998 declaration of war against Israel and the West. (Source is PBS.):
For my part, I'm willing to accept Bin Laden and anyone claiming to be a member of Al Qaeda as enemy combatants, as that is what they have told us they are.
I'm also willing to accept a definition of battlefield as anywhere these combatants choose to strike. As long as they believe they are fighting a holy war, declared in the fatwa from Bin Laden, they are simply choosing the time and place of each battle to best suit their overall strategy and tactics.
As such, I'm fine with captured Al Qaeda members being treated as enemy combatants and dealt with according to the Geneva Conventions, instead of U.S. criminal law.
354 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:28:52am |
re: #351 SixDegrees
As such, the nebulous status of the "enemy combatant" gets tossed, those held retain their right of habeus corpus, and techniques like torture are strictly prohibited. For that matter, any extensive questioning at all is prohibited, beyond establishment of name and rank.Frankly, I'd much rather have him face ordinary criminal charges - including the ability to plea bargain. I'm certain we'd be happy to offer, say, prayer rugs and a general indication of the direction of Mecca, say, in exchange for whatever slight information someone like this might possess.
The alternative, as I see it, is indefinite detention, suspension of our entire civilization's legal framework for the last thousand years or so, and...nothing else.
Point #1: As a sabateur/terrorist we have already established the rules governing their detainment and questioning. Those rules are in the army FM 34-52. He isn't entitled to a lawyer and according to the Geneva convention we're allowed to hold him as long as we deem him a threat. I've already pointed out the CIA isn't technically held to those standards since they can be given waivers whenever the CiC decides it's appropriate.
Point #2: Any person held in a civilian system has to be given any number of items required by his religion, which in the federal system would include a prayer rug. I've mentioned before that native americans held in the fed system even get sweat lodge privileges.
Point #3 was covered in point #1, we're allowed to hold him as long as we deem necessary. It wouldn't hurt my feelings for this guy to get put in a cell until he dies of old age.
355 | RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:29:50am |
re: #352 SixDegrees
To prove the grounds for being held. In this case, there isn't much of a dispute over why he's locked up.
356 | Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:02:02am |
re: #354 RogueOne
Point #2: Any person held in a civilian system has to be given any number of items required by his religion, which in the federal system would include a prayer rug. I've mentioned before that native americans held in the fed system even get sweat lodge privileges..
In a civilian system; but one can argue that when the detainee performs his acts in the name of his religion then, as practiced by this person, the religion deserves no respect nor accommodation.
357 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:17:34am |
re: #356 Naso Tang
In a civilian system; but one can argue that when the detainee performs his acts in the name of his religion then, as practiced by this person, the religion deserves no respect nor accommodation.
I'm not sure you want to go there since a lot of folk have carried out some pretty violent acts in the name of their religion without conferring with their co-religionists beforehand.
358 | gregb Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:21:21pm |
re: #296 Rightwingconspirator
Gold annondized mylar is more comfy.
359 | Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:47:49pm |
re: #357 oaktree
I'm not sure you want to go there since a lot of folk have carried out some pretty violent acts in the name of their religion without conferring with their co-religionists beforehand.
That was my point. Do you think showing contempt for their version means contempt for all others?
360 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:52:31pm |
re: #359 Naso Tang
I guess that would depend on how you worded the statement expressing said contempt.
361 | Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:57:43pm |
re: #360 oaktree
I guess that would depend on how you worded the statement expressing said contempt.
Don't be coy. I expressed it as a willingness to deny such prisoners the trappings of the beliefs that brought them into captivity.
362 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:00:43pm |
re: #361 Naso Tang
You are therefore advocating that in the particular case of a detainee imprisioned for terrorism/unlawful combatancy they should be denied the trappings of their preferred religion simply due to that status?
I misunderstood the statement as being broader in context and expressing wider contempt for their chosen religion in general.
363 | Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:05:24pm |
re: #362 oaktree
You had what is usually called a knee jerk.
364 | Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:30:21pm |
re: #319 Dark_Falcon
I came very close to giving you a down ding on the "surrender" part of your comment, i think it was an uncalled for comment about a man wounded multiple times in the service of his country.
He might negotiate away some kind of advantage - but surrender is in, my lexicon, a nasty word to attribute to a multiple purple heart awardee.