True eloquence, indeed, does not consist in speech. It cannot be brought from far. Labor and learning may toil for it, but they will toil in vain. Words and phrases may be marshalled in every way, but they cannot compass it. It must exist in the man, in the subject, and in the occasion.
— Noah Webster
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Cato the Elder Mar 12, 2010 10:48:56pm |
For the ease and repose of Lizards everywhere - hippy-dippy song about life, the universe, and everything.
“Maya” = the veil of the world beyond which to pass leads to enlightenment. I haven’t made it yet.
In time
Her hair
Grew long and swept the ground.
And seven blackbirds carried it out behind.
It bore the holy imprint of her mind,
As greenfoot slow
She move
Among the seasons.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mar 12, 2010 10:57:58pm |
re: #1 Cato the Elder
And of course, an asshole like me has to come along and offer some discordant shit like this to fuck with the hippy vibe.
The gates of pearl have turned to gold
It seems you’ve lost your way
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Escaped Hillbilly Mar 12, 2010 11:07:14pm |
Well it looks as though things are winding down. You two have a good night.
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Wozza Matter? Mar 12, 2010 11:07:37pm |
morning everyone………… if there is an everyone - that is.
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iceweasel Mar 12, 2010 11:09:54pm |
re: #4 wozzablog
morning everyone… if there is an everyone - that is.
W00t! Welcome back wozza— sorry you’re missing your TX honey, but good to see you.
(we’re having a convo about whisky downstairs— come and help!)
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windsagio Mar 12, 2010 11:11:26pm |
re: #5 iceweasel
I got wub distracted resizing avatars for me >>
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Silvergirl Mar 12, 2010 11:23:36pm |
I put a link in the spin-offs after I read Sanity Inspector’s post in that other thread about the Colorado woman in the cartoonist case. It goes on and on while the other link was brief. Strange situation.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mar 12, 2010 11:26:09pm |
This is one of my favorite Phil Hendrie bits ever. For the uninitiated, Phil hendrie is playing both himself as the host as well as his character, David Hall. The premise is Hall is Hendrie’s boss and wants to force him to support Kerry on-air (Hendrie supported Bush) during the 2004 election. And then it just becomes almost cosmically hilarious.
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Mar 12, 2010 11:31:09pm |
Liked Webster on Eloquence.
I must admit that the people who’ve influencedme most on Christianity are not the ones who preach it full in my face and force it on me but the ones who quietly live a Christian life and invite me to take part.
I wonder if some of it doesn’t have to do with Old Europe and its crowded cities where people whent to church to find some peace and quiet and a chance to look within and meditate on the mysteries of God vs. America with its isolated settlements where people came to church to interact and express themselves. Often as loudly as boisterously as possible.
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Cato the Elder Mar 12, 2010 11:57:42pm |
And now, beamed directly to your living space from the planet Tralfamadore - which of course bears no resemblance to the highly evolved society in which we live - a fair and balanced debate among silly aliens about the best way to not take care of silly aliens who don’t possess enough shiny stones to deserve being taken care of. Brought to you by the merchants who sell shiny stones.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mar 13, 2010 12:11:50am |
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 12:15:07am |
re: #11 Cato the Elder
Watch it, Cato-bot. You linked Tom Tomorrow. A certain troll may show up demanding to know if you like every thing Tom Tomorrow has ever done.
I would LOL, but it happened to me here just a couple of weeks ago.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 12:16:15am |
re: #13 iceweasel
Watch it, Cato-bot. You linked Tom Tomorrow. A certain troll may show up demanding to know if you like every thing Tom Tomorrow has ever done.
I would LOL, but it happened to me here just a couple of weeks ago.
BTW, the obvious response is to mock. I did. Just sayin’.
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Mar 13, 2010 12:19:57am |
re: #11 Cato the Elder
Hi Cato - I just noticed that Irish Rose has gone full mental stalker tonight on Charles and LGF over on her grief hole of a blog. As expected.
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Mar 13, 2010 12:29:47am |
re: #15 Jimmah
Oh, and just so no one has to visit that grief hole, this is her butthurt little speech:
I’m trying to understand the pathoogy at work here.
What kind of man deliberately drives away his supporters, kicks his friends to the curb, abuses people who are kind to him, and gives license to the abusive bullies on his site to do the same?
It’s not just a simple case of assholery.
There’s something much deeper at work here, something far more complex.The change in that place over the last year and a half has been striking, appalling, and disturbing. The site has morphed into something that I don’t even recognize anymore, and CJ is clearly not the person that I (and many others) thought that he was.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 12:34:24am |
re: #16 Jimmah
Oh, and just so no one has to visit that grief hole, this is her butthurt little speech:
reminder: that butthurt person demanded that Charles ban people, and sent him nasty emails.
littlegreenfootballs.com
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 12:40:21am |
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Mar 13, 2010 12:54:53am |
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 12:55:51am |
re: #19 Jimmah
Hi Hoops - doing great here :) Bed time though unfortunately - for both of us I think. Catch you later - have a good one!
Be well
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 12:57:55am |
re: #20 HoosierHoops
Be well
Hey cutie!
Jim-ski and I have some news coming up— we’ve been busy tonight with some cool personal stuff.
Hope you and Winston are well! talk very soon
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 1:04:07am |
re: #21 iceweasel
Hey cutie!
Jim-ski and I have some news coming up— we’ve been busy tonight with some cool personal stuff.Hope you and Winston are well! talk very soon
Awesome! Hope today finds you well..
Winston is asleep and I’m watching a show about Wine Country at 4am..
At this point I’m homesick..And drank too much beer..
I miss Napa Valley…
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RadicalModerate Mar 13, 2010 1:23:51am |
I get the feeling that Walmart is about to find themselves on the losing end of a wrongful termination lawsuit, not to mention being in violation of state law.
Walmart fires Michigan man for using medical marijuana
In 2008, Casias was the Associate Of The Year at the WalMart store in Battle Creek, despite suffering from sinus cancer and an inoperable brain tumor.
At his doctor’s recommendation, Casias says he legally uses medical marijuana to ease his pain.
“It helps tremendously,” he says. “I only use it to stop the pain. To make me feel more comfortable and active as a person.”
During his five years at WalMart, Casias says he went to work every day, determined to be the best.
“I gave them everything,” he says. “110 percent every day. Anything they asked me to do I did. More than they asked me to do. 12 to 14 hours a day.”
But last November, Casias sprained his knee at work. Marijuana was detected in his system during the routine drug screening that follows all workplace injuries. Casias showed WalMart managers his state medical marijuana card, but he was fired anyway.
“I was told they do not accept or honor my medical marijuana card,” says Casias.
Here’s the relevant section of the Michigan statute for reference:
Section 333.26424 - MICHIGAN MEDICAL MARIHUANA ACT
4. Protections for the Medical Use of Marihuana.Sec. 4. (a) A qualifying patient who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the qualifying patient possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana, and, if the qualifying patient has not specified that a primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility. Any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots shall also be allowed under state law and shall not be included in this amount.
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The Curmudgeon Mar 13, 2010 3:13:10am |
Another time-warped overnight thread, in which— although the night is over — I am somehow able to post near the beginning.
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rwdflynavy Mar 13, 2010 3:15:10am |
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rwdflynavy Mar 13, 2010 3:44:18am |
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 3:48:38am |
re: #29 rwdflynavy
Nah, it’s not dead, just comatose for the time being.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 3:52:44am |
re: #30 Bubblehead II
Correction
Nah, it’s not dead, just
comatosesemiconscious for the time being.
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rwdflynavy Mar 13, 2010 3:58:04am |
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Spare O'Lake Mar 13, 2010 4:08:46am |
(*Repost of my late response from previous dead thread*)
Would you not agree that one of our deep-seated psychological needs which is going largely unfulfilled these days is the need to regain a sense of some semblance of control over the multitude of forces which affect our own lives? America has lost much of its economic preeminence; American military supremacy is under challenge; the MSM lacks decency and ethics; many American politicians seem to be a bunch of crooked, self-serving, immoral liars; society’s thirst for cheap energy and cheap goods has cost America much of its manufacturing base and hi-tech jobs; and many people are out of work and many have lost their homes. The future is uncertain.
The separation of Church and State is under siege partly as a result of peoples’ difficulty in handling the terrible mess they are in. Many are so desperate for answers that they are vulnerable to being sucked in by the facile explanations and promises of the religious extremists.
This is the context in which I view this rise in religious extremism.
Good Morning LGF
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 4:13:04am |
re: #34 Spare O’Lake
This is the context in which I view this rise in religious extremism.
Fucking Amish.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 4:14:04am |
re: #35 Cannadian Club Akbar
This is the context in which I view this rise in religious extremism.
Fucking Amish.
If I were an Amish rapper, my name would be Pie Dog.
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Spare O'Lake Mar 13, 2010 4:18:15am |
re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar
If I were an Amish rapper, my name would be Pie Dog.
If I were a math wrapper my name would be Pi God.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 4:25:30am |
Drudge really needs to stop putting pics of Ms. America on his front page. The new one scared my fish.
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Spare O'Lake Mar 13, 2010 4:25:57am |
Do you have the time
To listen to me whine
About nothing and everything
All at once?
I am one of those
Melodramatic fools
Neurotic to the bone
No doubt about it.
Sometimes my mind plays tricks on me,
Sometimes I give myself the creeps,
It all keeps adding up,
I think I’m cracking up.
Am I just paranoid or am I stoned?
- Basket Case (Green Day)
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 4:26:39am |
re: #39 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw one on reason I considering using as my new avatar. scary funny.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 4:29:32am |
re: #41 RogueOne
I saw one on reason I considering using as my new avatar. scary funny.
Please don’t inflict that on us.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 4:29:51am |
re: #23 RadicalModerate
I get the feeling that Walmart is about to find themselves on the losing end of a wrongful termination lawsuit, not to mention being in violation of state law.
Typical of workers comp insurers (Wal-Mart self insures). If you get hurt at work you have to submit to a drug test. Someone in the Wal-Mart command chain should have known he was using what Michigan considers a legal drug.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 4:32:14am |
re: #43 RogueOne
I remember when Wal Mart sold nothing made outside the U.S. IIRC, that changed when Sam Walton died and the kids took over.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 4:33:32am |
re: #43 RogueOne
They don’t care. Company policy overrides State law (or so they believe).
“In an e-mail from headquarters, WalMart spokesman Greg Rossiter explained the company policy. It states: “In states, such as Michigan, where prescriptions for marijuana can be obtained, an employer can still enforce a policy that requires termination of employment following a positive drug screen. We believe our policy complies with the law and we support decisions based on the policy.”
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 4:34:46am |
re: #45 Bubblehead II
But I would think they are gonna say Federal Law trumps State Law.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 4:37:54am |
re: #44 Cannadian Club Akbar
I remember when Wal Mart sold nothing made outside the U.S. IIRC, that changed when Sam Walton died and the kids took over.
I don’t know that was ever the case but if it was it changed long before he died. When I got out of the Army I went to work for a company that did all their business with Wal-Mart. I don’t think people realize how many American millionaires Wal-mart has created including my former boss and the majority of his VP’s. 10 years before that job I hadn’t even heard of Wal-Mart.
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Spare O'Lake Mar 13, 2010 4:37:59am |
re: #46 Cannadian Club Akbar
But I would think they are gonna say Federal Law trumps State Law.
Was there a violation of the “Don’t Bogart That Joint” law?
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 4:38:46am |
re: #45 Bubblehead II
They can believe what they want but they’re, at a minimum, going to have to pay for his injury and unemployment.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 4:40:11am |
There is no media bias…
newsbusters.org
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 4:41:13am |
re: #49 RogueOne
They are fighting that as well.
“Casias has been collecting unemployment compensation since he was fired in November but this week he says he was notified WalMart is challenging his eligibility for benefits.”
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 4:41:45am |
re: #48 Spare O’Lake
Was there a violation of the “Don’t Bogart That Joint” law?
I believe that is Universal law. Trumps Federal law.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 4:47:05am |
re: #51 Bubblehead II
There’s no way they can win. If it’s a legal prescription in the state of MI then he can’t be fired for using a legal drug. They must be afraid it will set a standard.
Yesterday we were talking about unemployment laws. Wal-Mart paid for a massive mgmt seminar I went through in Charlotte NC. They brought in a law firm from texas that specialized in employment law. They made a point to let us know if it’s a protected activity by the feds or the state then the company could do nothing about it. The example was peyote and some indian tribe out west and the only reason I remember is because I got into a minor argument with one of the senior VP’s when the lawyer asked the question. I was right and the VP was irritable.
That was also the week they made us all take a drug test and I told my VP he could suck my balls.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 4:48:00am |
One of the comments referenced a recent SCOTUS decision that basically said that the Federal Drug Laws were meant to combat recreational drug use and dealing, not to regulate medicine.
“ajsfullhouse37 wrote:
dicemaster I will repost from Yorma4
Yorkma4 wrote:
U.S. Supreme Court:
FEDERAL LAW DOES NOT TRUMP STATE LAWS ON MEDICAL MARIJUANA
by Steve Kubby (he’s a libertarian btw)
Last Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court Monday quietly, but overwhelmingly destroyed the allegations by state law enforcement that, “Federal law trumps state laws on medical marijuana.”
The Supremes declined to review a lower court decision that ordered Garden Grove, California, police to return marijuana seized from a medical marijuana patient. In November 2007, the California Fourth District Court of Appeal had ordered the marijuana returned, finding that “it is not the job of local police to enforce federal drug laws.”
This was the fourth shot the Supremes had at bringing down Prop. 215 and, instead, the high court handed us a silent, but deadly victory.
Here is how the three Appeals Court judges put it:
“Congress enacted the CSA to combat recreational drug abuse and curb drug trafficking. Gonzales v. Oregon, supra, 546 U.S. at p. 271; Gonzales v. Raich, supra, 545 U.S. at pp. 10-13.) Its goal was not to regulate the practice of medicine, a task that falls within the traditional powers of the states. (Gonzales v. Oregon, supra, 546 U.S. at p. 269.) Speaking for the majority in Gonzales v. Oregon, Justice Kennedy explained, “The [CSA] and our case law amply support the conclusion that Congress regulates medical practice insofar as it bars doctors from using their prescription-writing powers as a means to engage in illicit drug dealing and trafficking as conventionally understood. Beyond this, however, the statute manifests no intent to regulate the practice of medicine generally.” (Ibid.)”
The California Supreme Court refused to review the case in March.
Now, the U.S. Supreme Court has followed suit. The refusals to hear the appeal means the two high courts have accepted the state appeals court’s reasoning that California’s medical marijuana law is not preempted by f”
Looks like he got cut off at the end. I haven’t been able to find a link to that decision yet though. Will try looking at the NORML site and see if they have anything on it.
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Spare O'Lake Mar 13, 2010 4:48:21am |
re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar
I believe that is Universal law. Trumps Federal law.
Correctimundo!
Too bad medical marijuana can’t be taken in the form of a tablet or capsule. I wonder if the employee was lighting up in places where the noxious fumes were imposing on customers or other employees.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 4:51:13am |
re: #55 Spare O’Lake
Correctimundo!
Too bad medical marijuana can’t be taken in the form of a tablet or capsule. I wonder if the employee was lighting up in places where the noxious fumes were imposing on customers or other employees.
I have heard putting it in pill form makes it lose some, if not lots, of it medicinal use. I wanna say Montel Williams made that argument.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 4:51:37am |
re: #54 Bubblehead II
You have to watch those libertarians. They want to take over the government and then…leave everybody alone.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 4:52:37am |
re: #57 RogueOne
You have to watch those libertarians. They want to take over the government and then…leave everybody alone.
I am SO fucking stealing that.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 4:52:42am |
re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar
Plus, you can’t self-regulate like you can by taking single hits off of a pipe. Once you take a pill you’re as high as the pill wants you to be.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 4:53:30am |
re: #53 RogueOne
“That was also the week they made us all take a drug test and I told my VP he could suck my balls.”
Automatic termination where I work. Part of the employment agreement that was implemented years after I was hired. But if you refused to sign, you got shown the door. Right to work/employment at will State (Nv.)
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Spare O'Lake Mar 13, 2010 4:54:46am |
re: #59 RogueOne
Plus, you can’t self-regulate like you can by taking single hits off of a pipe. Once you take a pill you’re as high as the pill wants you to be.
Hahahahahahahahaha. That is sooooo funnnnny, man.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 4:55:31am |
re: #59 RogueOne
Plus, you can’t self-regulate like you can by taking single hits off of a pipe. Once you take a pill you’re as high as the pill wants you to be.
Before I totally quit smoking, I would go to a freinds on Sundays for BBQ. He smoked. I would take 2 small hits because I love the taste. Wouldn’t buzz me. So I know what you’re saying.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 4:59:22am |
re: #64 Bubblehead II
Just ask Rush.
And no, I don’t mean that in a sarcastic way. I will not take pain pills until it has gotten to the point that I must. 99% of the time I don’t even bother filling the script.
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SixDegrees Mar 13, 2010 5:00:49am |
re: #55 Spare O’Lake
Correctimundo!
Too bad medical marijuana can’t be taken in the form of a tablet or capsule. I wonder if the employee was lighting up in places where the noxious fumes were imposing on customers or other employees.
According to the article, the way they found out was through a blood test. No mention of any complaints or sightings.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 5:01:46am |
re: #61 Bubblehead II
“That was also the week they made us all take a drug test and I told my VP he could suck my balls.”
Automatic termination where I work. Part of the employment agreement that was implemented years after I was hired. But if you refused to sign, you got shown the door. Right to work/employment at will State (Nv.)
I had just left the military, single, loved to travel and didn’t mind living out of a hotel for years. Plus, I had two different districts in a part of the country no one else wanted (the Dakotas) and both of my districts were in the top 10 in sales and employee retention. I worked almost 80 hours a week, every week. I was on the road working from 6am until 9pm. I told him what I did on what little free time I had was my own business and if they could find someone to do the job I was doing then go ahead and fire me but I smoke and I’m not going to apologize to anyone. My test disappeared.
I also told him my test was going to come back so hot the technician could get a contact buzz by smelling my sample. I knew before I flew in they were going to test us (it was supposed to be a secret) and I still smoked it before I got on that little ass plane in the middle of nebraska, in the middle of winter, and brought some with me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 5:01:59am |
re: #65 Bubblehead II
Just ask Rush.
And no, I don’t mean that in a sarcastic way. I will not take pain pills until it has gotten to the point that I must. 99% of the time I don’t even bother filling the script.
The whole sorry story about the Rush thing is, Oxy was a new drug and people were told not addictive. But, boy, the people who hate Rush don’t care. But they, at the same time, feel bad for “regular folk” who got addicted.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 5:02:40am |
re: #65 Bubblehead II
Just ask Rush.
And no, I don’t mean that in a sarcastic way. I will not take pain pills until it has gotten to the point that I must. 99% of the time I don’t even bother filling the script.
Same here. I don’t like pills.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 5:05:36am |
I don’t want to leave the impression I’m a pothead even though I still smoke. A 1/4 oz will last me almost 3 weeks.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 5:06:36am |
re: #70 RogueOne
I don’t want to leave the impression I’m a pothead even though I still smoke. A 1/4 oz will last me almost 3 weeks.
Damn Libertarian hippie.
/
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:07:38am |
re: #67 RogueOne
It was an open secret that I smoked. I was never tested, but decided that the risk v gains ratio was against me so I quit. I figure that it will be legalized before I croak (from natural causes) and I will once again be able to enjoy the herb. But until then, well I have bills to pay. :-(
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 5:09:38am |
re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar
Damn Libertarian hippie.
/
It’s funny. When I hang out with my cop buddy and his friends, who all know the only time I wear my seatbelt I’m doing something I shouldn’t, I am the damn dirty hippie. When I hang out with my tree-hugging friend, I’m the fascist. I’m a fascist hippie.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:12:06am |
re: #68 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yep. Don’t care for the man myself. The whole “dittohead” thing turned me off. But when someone develops a dependancy on a substance, it is amazing how people will turn on them depending on their view of them regardless of how many other “regular” folks have also fallen into the same situation.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 5:12:46am |
re: #72 Bubblehead II
Most of my employees smoke and I know they smoke. They’ve all been told I don’t care what they do on their own time but if I get the idea they’re smoking before/during work they’re fired. You can’t do our kind of work high, it’s dangerous enough sober. The problem is if they get hurt at work my insurance company insists they take a test and if it comes back positive their claims will definitely be denied.
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Mar 13, 2010 5:15:17am |
re: #74 RogueOne
A Fascist Hippie?
That there’s funny!
Your an Oxymoron!!
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:16:08am |
re: #77 RogueOne
Yep. That’s why my employer went “drug free”. It cut down on their workmans comp insurance premiums. Until then, if you came in sober, they didn’t give a damn.
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compound idaho Mar 13, 2010 5:16:17am |
Occasionally I will have a customer require that I have a company drug/alcohol policy that includes random testing before I can show up at their site. They never ask to see the policy and have specifically told me they do not want to see the test results. I have always thought that strange. I’ll bet some lawyers are involved.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 5:16:40am |
re: #78 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY
A Fascist Hippie?
That there’s funny!
Your an Oxymoron!!
I took that political test to see where I fit in on their scale and ended up almost dead middle. I think it’s because half my views would be considered very liberal and the other half very conservative. I’m an extremist.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 5:17:43am |
re: #78 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY
I was just thinking the other day of people I haven’t seen in a while. Where the fuck you been?:)
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 5:18:44am |
re: #80 compound idaho
Occasionally I will have a customer require that I have a company drug/alcohol policy that includes random testing before I can show up at their site. They never ask to see the policy and have specifically told me they do not want to see the test results. I have always thought that strange. I’ll bet some lawyers are involved.
There is a large drug manufacturer in Indy that is like that. If you do any work with them at all, even just manufacturing push carts, they want a very specific policy and they want the right to come in and inspect your facility.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:18:54am |
re: #80 compound idaho
Morning. From your Nick I gather you are either from Idaho or are currently in State? Would be nice to see another Idaho Lizard. It gets lonely around here sometimes.
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What, me worry? Mar 13, 2010 5:19:34am |
re: #77 RogueOne
Most of my employees smoke and I know they smoke. They’ve all been told I don’t care what they do on their own time but if I get the idea they’re smoking before/during work they’re fired. You can’t do our kind of work high, it’s dangerous enough sober. The problem is if they get hurt at work my insurance company insists they take a test and if it comes back positive their claims will definitely be denied.
Morning lizards!
My ex was an alcoholic, a very responsible one. Never drank on the job. He was a truck driver, but I always thought it was still dangerous when he’d go to work seriously hung over. Pot doesn’t do that, of course.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:20:00am |
re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar
Good question. How have things been over in Wa. (iirc).
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 5:20:54am |
re: #85 marjoriemoon
Pot doesn’t do that, of course.
When I started smoking, after I left the Army, I all but quit drinking entirely. No more hangovers!
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Mar 13, 2010 5:21:38am |
re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar
My new office is in the same building as the state I.T. crew…
Has a slower internet service than anywhere I’ve been!
Go figure!
That,and I’ve been working my ass off!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 5:22:51am |
re: #87 RogueOne
When I started smoking, after I left the Army, I all but quit drinking entirely. No more hangovers!
Ya don’t get hangovers it ya keep drinkin’. Just sayin’.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 5:24:40am |
re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ya don’t get hangovers it ya keep drinkin’. Just sayin’.
That was my grandfathers philosophy.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:26:55am |
re: #88 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY
BTW, don’t know if you noticed, but your Nick is in all upper case, but when I click on your Avatar, it is in all lower case (as I remember it used to be).
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What, me worry? Mar 13, 2010 5:27:04am |
re: #91 RogueOne
That was my grandfathers philosophy.
hehe My grandad drank Black Label beer. Sometimes a shot of whiskey.
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compound idaho Mar 13, 2010 5:28:05am |
re: #72 Bubblehead II
I make my home in Idaho although not a native (San Fernando Valley).
I never tried pot. Not even once. I was sure I would like it, I feared too much.
I can’t say the same for alcohol.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:28:23am |
re: #93 marjoriemoon
Is that anything like drinking Natural Ice with a side shot (or two) of Crown?
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 5:29:06am |
re: #92 Bubblehead II
Sorry, Didn’t mean to shout!
Mornin Bubble!
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What, me worry? Mar 13, 2010 5:29:29am |
re: #95 Bubblehead II
Is that anything like drinking Natural Ice with a side shot (or two) of Crown?
I have no idea! I think cuz Black Label was pretty cheap.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:31:03am |
re: #94 compound idaho
Cool. It’s nice to know that I am no longer the sole Lizard from Idaho. Had one other awhile back that went by the name of Retired Air Force, but he dropped off the screen. Welcome
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:32:03am |
re: #96 reloadingisnotahobby
Now that’s what I remember. How did you do that?
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 5:32:26am |
re: #93 marjoriemoon
hehe My grandad drank Black Label beer. Sometimes a shot of whiskey.
Mine drank a 12-pack of old milwaukee and smoked 2 pack of Pall Malls a day until he died at 91. For some reason he switched to More’s cigs around 75ish. I think he did it just so he could use the line “My doctor told me I need to smoke More.” I come from a long line of kentucky alcoholics but he was the most fun. He was a prankster until the end.
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Cato the Elder Mar 13, 2010 5:32:36am |
Mornin’, drunks. And the surprisingly large pothead contingent. Who knew?
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What, me worry? Mar 13, 2010 5:34:25am |
re: #101 RogueOne
Mine drank a 12-pack of old milwaukee and smoked 2 pack of Pall Malls a day until he died at 91. For some reason he switched to More’s cigs around 75ish. I think he did it just so he could use the line “My doctor told me I need to smoke More.” I come from a long line of kentucky alcoholics but he was the most fun. He was a prankster until the end.
lol Gramps taught me how to drink beer. He’d pour just a bit into the glass until he got a head on it. He said, “You have to drink every shot with a head.” I never was much of a drinker, but it was quality grandpa time.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:34:30am |
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What, me worry? Mar 13, 2010 5:34:42am |
re: #102 Cato the Elder
Mornin’, drunks. And the surprisingly large pothead contingent. Who knew?
Morning Cato.
‘ere!
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 5:35:59am |
re: #99 Bubblehead II
I have a dear friend that moved to central Idaho 10 years ago.
We stay in touch!
He has his home up for sale so he and his wife can move
closer to town!There in the late 70’s.
Awesome lodge overlooking a river .Closest neighbor a mile away!
I’d love it!
Mrs. Loader…not so much!
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 5:36:09am |
re: #105 marjoriemoon
Mine ended up moving in with us when I was a teenager. He was old when he had my mother so by the time I was maybe 5 he was the only grandparent I had left.
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laZardo Mar 13, 2010 5:36:27am |
re: #102 Cato the Elder
I’ve never smoked pot either. My little brother has.
/because it’s still not hip to be square. ;_;
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What, me worry? Mar 13, 2010 5:36:55am |
re: #110 RogueOne
Mine ended up moving in with us when I was a teenager. He was old when he had my mother so by the time I was maybe 5 he was the only grandparent I had left.
Nice you had him at least. Mine died in 2000 at age 97. I miss him terribly.
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_RememberTonyC Mar 13, 2010 5:37:02am |
Mornin Lizards … my youngest son is taking the SATs this morning. Before he left, I told him not to mess up or the rest of his life will be ruined/. Was that putting too much pressure on the lad?
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 5:38:07am |
re: #111 laZardo
I’ve never smoked pot either. My little brother has.
/because it’s still not hip to be square. ;_;
Aren’t you in the Philippines? IIRC, the drug laws there are pretty stringent.
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 5:38:54am |
re: #100 Bubblehead II
When I log on at home the username has a drop down …one is
low case the other all upper.
Oh,Sorry you asked how “I” do it!!
I don’t…”It” does it!
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_RememberTonyC Mar 13, 2010 5:38:58am |
re: #111 laZardo
I’ve never smoked pot either. My little brother has.
/because it’s still not hip to be square. ;_;
if the govt legalized weed, they could pay for health care off the tax revenue alone …
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:39:45am |
re: #114 marjoriemoon
Things that bad? Most people go see a MD, Not a DVM.
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laZardo Mar 13, 2010 5:40:08am |
re: #115 RogueOne
Oh yeah. It’s one of those places with enough poverty that legalizing the hard stuff would really make things worse. From what I can tell though the marijuana culture is centered mainly around college kids and punk rocker-types though.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mar 13, 2010 5:40:51am |
You guys are bringing back fond memories for me.
I’ll never forget the last thing my grandfather said to me. He said, “Hey boy! That gun is loa…”
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compound idaho Mar 13, 2010 5:41:03am |
re: #119 _RememberTonyC
and usage would drop because everyone would forget their appointments.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:41:17am |
re: #118 reloadingisnotahobby
OK, was just wonder if it was something like the small font some people use to “whisper”
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 5:43:07am |
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laZardo Mar 13, 2010 5:43:57am |
re: #119 _RememberTonyC
I’d actually support legalizing marijuana but I also have a cousin that got deported from the United States for drug dealing. That said the one thing I have against legalizing currently-illegal drugs is that it’d reward his ‘type.’
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_RememberTonyC Mar 13, 2010 5:44:39am |
re: #123 compound idaho
and usage would drop because everyone would forget their appointments.
it’s an interesting concept …. sell weed like cigarettes. $100.00 for a pack of 20. 50 bucks in taxes go to the health care fund for each pack sold.
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 5:45:15am |
re: #122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You..you ..Bastard!
I’m wiping my eyes…BBIAM>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL
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_RememberTonyC Mar 13, 2010 5:45:53am |
re: #127 laZardo
I’d actually support legalizing marijuana but I also have a cousin that got deported from the United States for drug dealing. That said the one thing I have against legalizing currently-illegal drugs is that it’d reward his ‘type.’
if it’s legal, the tobacco companies would “own” the business and street level types would be out of the business.
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laZardo Mar 13, 2010 5:48:08am |
re: #130 _RememberTonyC
if it’s legal, the tobacco companies would “own” the business and street level types would be out of the business.
For weed, yeah. The irony of people protesting the tactics of “Big Marijuana” would be savory enough. :D
I was talking more of the hard stuff, e.g. coke, meth etc. when it comes to dealers though.
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_RememberTonyC Mar 13, 2010 5:52:15am |
re: #131 laZardo
For weed, yeah. The irony of people protesting the tactics of “Big Marijuana” would be savory enough. :D
I was talking more of the hard stuff, e.g. coke, meth etc. when it comes to dealers though.
got ya …. i think that will continue to be a problem, but most people who do “drugs” only smoke weed. I feel it’s a milder drug that COULD be legalized and taxed like booze and butts … only at a much “higher” rate.
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sattv4u2 Mar 13, 2010 5:52:16am |
re: #122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You guys are bringing back fond memories for me.
I’ll never forget the last thing my grandfather said to me. He said, “Hey boy! That gun is loa…”
Rednecks last words
“Watch this”
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 5:53:13am |
Well.. it’s light enough out to go out and hurt
myself doing something I’m to old to do!
For the Lizards yesterday am…
The wife got great news from the
specialist ..tests all neg!
…I think she and her Sis kept heading
south to Vegas to celebrate!
Damn!
Later!!
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 5:53:27am |
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_RememberTonyC Mar 13, 2010 5:54:59am |
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re: #136 Bubblehead II
Not to mention that it would be of a consistent quality and you wouldn’t have to worry about it being ditch weed that was “dusted” with something to make it seem more potent.
i really believe it could be the way to pay for health care reform … at the very least, it would generate a ton of revenue for the govt.
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 6:03:35am |
re: #137 _RememberTonyC
Yep. But you know as well I do, the *cough, cough* SoCons are fighting it tooth and nail. The battle to legalize pot is the same that was waged to re-legalize alcohol. Until a majority of the “people” stand up and tell the SoCons to STFU, nothing is going to change.
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laZardo Mar 13, 2010 6:05:41am |
So a priest and a rabbi (decide to) walk into a bar…
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 6:06:14am |
re: #136 Bubblehead II
Not to mention that it would be of a consistent quality and you wouldn’t have to worry about it being ditch weed that was “dusted” with something to make it seem more potent.
I have a friend who actually jumped off a bridge and broke his arm because someone laced a joint and didn’t warn him. It sounds like a cliche but my high school was out in the country and there was an old train bridge over a creek out in the boonies where the kids liked to go drink. He loved to smoke and would always roll at the parties but he never smoked one again.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mar 13, 2010 6:08:50am |
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Bubblehead II Mar 13, 2010 6:09:40am |
Time to call it a night. 1400 (MST) hrs isn’t that far away.
Night Lizards.
And Mandy, if you are out there lurking.
(((MANDY)))
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mar 13, 2010 6:09:52am |
re: #136 Bubblehead II
I had a girl do that to me once. She tried to bed me down (I was too stupid or high to figure it out)… just laid there and laughed.
She was hot too.
Sigh.
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 6:12:41am |
re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ah! The memories!
Mushrooms did that for me!
I think under the right circumstance I’d do them again!
Once!
It’s still to cold out to get busy…think I’ll wait
for it to warm up…May sounds good!
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sattv4u2 Mar 13, 2010 6:13:52am |
never really could get “into” pot
couple of beers ,,,, a good martini,,,,even in my “yute”
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 6:14:20am |
re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I had a girl do that to me once. She tried to bed me down (I was too stupid or high to figure it out)… just laid there and laughed.
She was hot too.
Sigh.
Too Drunk To F***
Youtube Video
(obvious dirty language warning, it does have the F-word in the title for crying out loud.)
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 6:16:27am |
BTW, If you haven’t seen Buckcherry live you have to check them out. They put on a great live show. No special effects just 100 mph from start to finish.
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PhillyPretzel Mar 13, 2010 6:16:29am |
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PhillyPretzel Mar 13, 2010 6:24:35am |
I better leave before I start any problems. Have a good day.
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 6:27:34am |
re: #152 PhillyPretzel
Now look what you’ve done!!
I’m relieved I didn’t kill this thread!
Oooh..look!A shiny thing in the east!!
Gotta go check it out!I’ll report back later!
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sattv4u2 Mar 13, 2010 6:34:09am |
re: #154 RogueOne
Fine, if no one else is going to do it, I will. Wake Up!
Buckcherry live: Lit Up
[Video]
I think with all the talk about pot, everyone lit one up and mellowed back!
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lawhawk Mar 13, 2010 6:36:41am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The US is busy hyperventilating over Israel’s decision to build housing. Again.
Even though everyone with a functioning neuron should know that housing isn’t an impediment to peace or even a threat to the peace process because you can always transfer housing once it is built. It’s been done before and it will likely happen again, even as the real impediment to peace are the terrorist groups representing the Palestinian people - Hamas and Fatah. They haven’t changed their charters calling for Israel’s destruction, they haven’t taken any confidence building measures like releasing Gilad Shalit or ending the Friday sermons calling for violence against Israel - the incitements to violence that were supposed to end after the signing and implementation of Olso.
Let us see some tangible evidence that the Palestinians want peace - rather than Israel in pieces.
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 6:36:56am |
re: #156 sattv4u2
I had to rough house with dog for a minute…
One band aide later………….I’m here and sober!
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sattv4u2 Mar 13, 2010 6:38:55am |
re: #157 lawhawk
housing isn’t an impediment to peace or even a threat to the peace process
well stated
What the Pali leaders are basically saying is,
IF the land where the settelments are being constructed is to be “ours”, we don’t want ANY Jews living there, before, now or later
Whataneighbor!!
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sattv4u2 Mar 13, 2010 6:39:32am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 6:39:37am |
re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Decisions …decisions!
Let us know what you decide!
No photos tho………..LOL
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 6:44:40am |
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right_wing2 Mar 13, 2010 6:48:07am |
re: #134 sattv4u2
‘Gimme a lighter. I think my gas tank is empty’
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 6:48:25am |
re: #163 srb1976
Just exactly WHAT are you implying with THAT??
No “Good” in front of it?
We should NOT have a goodmorning??
Well what have you to say for yourself???
Cat got your tounge??
Just teasin ya!
Good morning !
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srb1976 Mar 13, 2010 6:50:09am |
re: #164 HoosierHoops
Good Morning!
How is that beautiful baby this morning?
recovering nicely from the pink eye…..
Helping her big brother save the world from evil ninja trees = )
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 6:50:43am |
Has anyone tried streaming a blue ray coversion to WMV through an xbox or anything? Is it worth my time to convert my blue ray dvd’s into that high of a format?
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srb1976 Mar 13, 2010 6:50:49am |
re: #166 reloadingisnotahobby
Just exactly WHAT are you implying with THAT??
No “Good” in front of it?
We should NOT have a goodmorning??
Well what have you to say for yourself???
Cat got your tounge??
Just teasin ya!
Good morning !
I’ve found that it’s better not to assume……
= )
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 6:52:44am |
Good Morning Everyone and Happy Saturday to you all!
Well at this point and time I think its safe to say that RWC has the flu and probably won be posting much in the next few days. But Knowing him he’ll try, not to mention that almost superhuman immune system of his will have him up and about in no time.
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Taqyia2Me Mar 13, 2010 6:54:52am |
re: #170 Dragon_Lady
Good Morning Everyone and Happy Saturday to you all!
Well at this point and time I think its safe to say that RWC has the flu and probably won be posting much in the next few days. But Knowing him he’ll try, not to mention that almost superhuman immune system of his will have him up and about in no time.
I hope RWC is 100% as soon as possible.
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 6:56:25am |
re: #170 Dragon_Lady
Good Morning Everyone and Happy Saturday to you all!
Well at this point and time I think its safe to say that RWC has the flu and probably won be posting much in the next few days. But Knowing him he’ll try, not to mention that almost superhuman immune system of his will have him up and about in no time.
Poor RWC…
A couple of years ago I got the worst Summer Cold of my life.. Miserable..
Being sick really sucks
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 6:57:13am |
If any of you ask me to help you move and then bitch about me not doing things the way you want, without telling me what you want, I’m taking all the beer and going home.:)
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 6:57:26am |
re: #172 Taqyia2Me
I hope RWC is 100% as soon as possible.
Oh yeah, I’m sure he will be. Besides being a bit pale and the nausea he seems to be not too bad. But we shall see what we shall see.
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sattv4u2 Mar 13, 2010 6:57:46am |
Okay ,, the day person just showed up
taking the long drive home and hitting the bed
Cya tonight
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srb1976 Mar 13, 2010 6:58:55am |
re: #175 Dragon_Lady
Oh yeah, I’m sure he will be. Besides being a bit pale and the nausea he seems to be not too bad. But we shall see what we shall see.
There is a nasty little stomach bug making it’s way around here too….both kids have had it, doesn’t last long, but looks really bad
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 6:58:56am |
re: #176 sattv4u2
Okay ,, the day person just showed up
taking the long drive home and hitting the bed
Cya tonight
Sleep tight, don’t let the bedbugs bite!
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 6:59:10am |
re: #174 Cannadian Club Akbar
If any of you ask me to help you move and then bitch about me not doing things the way you want, without telling me what you want, I’m taking all the beer and going home.:)
Help me move to Singapore this year Bitch!
*wink*
/Where are you going with the Beer? Hey come back here!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 6:59:47am |
re: #179 HoosierHoops
Help me move to Singapore this year Bitch!
*wink*
/Where are you going with the Beer? Hey come back here!
Do they make floating Uhauls?
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 6:59:59am |
re: #157 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The US is busy hyperventilating over Israel’s decision to build housing. Again.
Even though everyone with a functioning neuron should know that housing isn’t an impediment to peace or even a threat to the peace process because you can always transfer housing once it is built. It’s been done before and it will likely happen again, even as the real impediment to peace are the terrorist groups representing the Palestinian people - Hamas and Fatah. They haven’t changed their charters calling for Israel’s destruction, they haven’t taken any confidence building measures like releasing Gilad Shalit or ending the Friday sermons calling for violence against Israel - the incitements to violence that were supposed to end after the signing and implementation of Olso.
Let us see some tangible evidence that the Palestinians want peace - rather than Israel in pieces.
Well, if you’re Obama hyperventilating over homes being built in the West Bank is easier than trying to wrestle with Fatah and Hamas. It lets him seem ‘evenhanded’ to his base, and lets him look like he’s pushing for peace in the eyes of the MSM. Its a bullshit, but like the GOP the Dems sometimes have to focus on throwing meat to the base rather than actually trying to address the problem.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:00:21am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 7:00:59am |
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Taqyia2Me Mar 13, 2010 7:01:21am |
reuters.com
Att’y general failed to give legal briefs to Senate
(Reuters) - “Attorney General Eric Holder failed to tell the Senate about seven legal briefs he signed when lawmakers considered his nomination to his current job, according to a letter released on Friday…”
Is testimony before nominating committees for cabinet level positions sworn under oath subject to penalty if found to be knowingly false?
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 7:01:26am |
re: #179 HoosierHoops
HOOPS…How ya been!
I’m sore as hell!
Did LARGE tree job yesterday!
I’m to old for that climbing around stuff but 50 bucks
an hour is hard to pass up!
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:01:51am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 7:02:00am |
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 7:02:08am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 7:03:02am |
re: #188 HoosierHoops
Just 13 hours flying…Piece of cake bro!
I wouldn’t go to Singapore. Pretty girls there. I might not come back.:)
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 7:04:58am |
re: #185 reloadingisnotahobby
HOOPS…How ya been!
I’m sore as hell!
Did LARGE tree job yesterday!
I’m to old for that climbing around stuff but 50 bucks
an hour is hard to pass up!
awesome! I’ve been great and life is sweet…
How the hell have you been? 50 bucks an hour? Wow!
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:05:29am |
re: #185 reloadingisnotahobby
How big was the tree and did you just trim it or cut it all the way down? Man what a job either way! You have guts! I couldn’t do that.
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Lidane Mar 13, 2010 7:05:42am |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wouldn’t go to Singapore. Pretty girls there. I might not come back.:)
Just make sure they’re girls first. You don’t want to end up with more than you bargained for.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:06:46am |
re: #192 Lidane
Just make sure they’re girls first. You don’t want to end up with more than you bargained for.
Ohhhh, mental picture not appreciated!
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Lidane Mar 13, 2010 7:07:24am |
re: #193 Dragon_Lady
Sorry. It’s early, I’m running on little sleep and the mind is wandering.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 7:07:30am |
re: #192 Lidane
Just make sure they’re girls first. You don’t want to end up with more than you bargained for.
That won’t happen to me. Again.
///
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:08:22am |
re: #194 Lidane
Sorry. It’s early, I’m running on little sleep and the mind is wandering.
No worries, with RWC up sick half the night I’m not running on all cylinders either. :-)
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 7:08:37am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 7:09:48am |
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srb1976 Mar 13, 2010 7:10:17am |
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:10:37am |
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 7:11:29am |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wouldn’t go to Singapore. Pretty girls there. I might not come back.:)
Funny you bring that up.. I emailed ice last week cause we had 6 ladies in from Singapore for training for our new office there…
My Lawdy.. It’s bad enough they were absolutely stunning but they were wearing short school girl skirts…It’s the style I guess in Singapore..
Just Stunning..This is going to be fun…
I need to clothes shop before going there….I’m going all Cali on them
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 7:12:35am |
re: #198 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes!
What’s your point?LOL
Why are Canadian Logger hurt more on the job?
They have to move the beer cooler before shouting
“Look out aye!!
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 7:15:03am |
re: #201 HoosierHoops
I’m sure you’ll….Oh never mind!
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:15:19am |
re: #202 reloadingisnotahobby
Yes!
What’s your point?LOL
Why are Canadian Logger hurt more on the job?
They have to move the beer cooler before shouting
“Look out aye!!
LOL! Upding for you! That was very funny.
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 7:18:46am |
re: #200 Dragon_Lady
I said I was sorry…
It was a dent…Less room for bills;-)
The neighbors was two feet away..nice box
all tole painted and custom..
Not a scratch. LOL
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 7:19:44am |
re: #205 reloadingisnotahobby
I would have been mad and told you to put the branch back.
///
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:20:44am |
re: #205 reloadingisnotahobby
I said I was sorry…
It was a dent…Less room for bills;-)
The neighbors was two feet away..nice box
all tole painted and custom..
Not a scratch. LOL
Oh, well as long as all the bills won’t fit now I’m sure they forgave you quickly. Did you offer to pay a few of them for you neighbors?/
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 7:22:35am |
re: #200 Dragon_Lady
What’s worse is I’m looking out the window at a HUGE ELM TREE that I have to remove before I can start my addition…
Growing right up through the phone lines!
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 7:23:24am |
re: #203 reloadingisnotahobby
I’m sure you’ll…Oh never mind!
LOL It will be a fun adventure for Winston and I…
What is weird is the guys from Singapore that have visited here are really short..
I tower over them..When I play ball at the gym it’s going to be weird…
I played point in College.. I’ll be the Center or forward in Singapore..
It’s like playing against kids in Junior high…Short..
They damn well better be fast cause I’m taking them out in the paint.
*wink*
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:23:51am |
Uh oh, look out! RWC thinks he wants to try fever posting! I think he’s gonna plug in his lap top! ;)
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 7:24:25am |
re: #207 Dragon_Lady
I knew it would close and asked what my liability was if I hit …
He said “none”…CRASH!
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srb1976 Mar 13, 2010 7:25:05am |
re: #210 HoosierHoops
LOL It will be a fun adventure for Winston and I…
What is weird is the guys from Singapore that have visited here are really short..
I tower over them..When I play ball at the gym it’s going to be weird…
I played point in College.. I’ll be the Center or forward in Singapore..
It’s like playing against kids in Junior high…Short..
They damn well better be fast cause I’m taking them out in the paint.
*wink*
All things considered, that’s not very surprising (that they’re short), consider the genetics involved……
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Taqyia2Me Mar 13, 2010 7:25:16am |
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:26:05am |
re: #209 reloadingisnotahobby
What’s worse is I’m looking out the window at a HUGE ELM TREE that I have to remove before I can start my addition…
Growing right up through the phone lines!
Bzzzzt zzzzt zzzzt! Treeremovalisnotahobby! :)
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 7:26:36am |
re: #210 HoosierHoops
Careful ..they all know Kung fu and shit like that!!
LOL
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:26:48am |
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srb1976 Mar 13, 2010 7:27:08am |
Her Royal Stoutness woke up about an hour ago with a list of demands…..filled the list, and she’s back asleep! I could get used to that
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 7:27:10am |
Mornin’ everyone. Blue skies, Saturday…life is good.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:29:20am |
re: #219 darthstar
Mornin’ everyone. Blue skies, Saturday…life is good.
For everyone but RWC…who is playing with the flu right now… you’re right! Good Morning and Happy Saturday to you!
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srb1976 Mar 13, 2010 7:30:03am |
re: #219 darthstar
Mornin’ everyone. Blue skies, Saturday…life is good.
Morning…no blue skies here, looks like another rainy morning….hopefully followed by another gorgeous afternoon (fingers crossed)
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 7:30:12am |
re: #219 darthstar
100% chance of snow most of the day…the sun is gone!
So keep it to yourself!!LOL
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 7:31:24am |
re: #216 reloadingisnotahobby
Careful ..they all know Kung fu and shit like that!!
LOL
LOL
My #1 son is 6’6” and 250 lbs..I kicked his ass in the paint when he was growing up.. Then he got really strong and mean from our games.
I don’t drive on him any more cause of the pain.. 18 footers from the outside seems to work these days…
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:32:44am |
re: #223 HoosierHoops
LOL
My #1 son is 6’6” and 250 lbs..I kicked his ass in the paint when he was growing up.. Then he got really strong and mean from our games.
I don’t drive on him any more cause of the pain.. 18 footers from the outside seems to work these days…
Forgive my ignorance… but huh?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 7:33:08am |
Henry Kissinger is in the hospital. Didn’t hear why because the phone rang and had to turn down the radio.
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 7:34:06am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 7:35:00am |
re: #226 HoosierHoops
Basketball my friend..I played in College..
I don’t think she understands “in the paint.”
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:35:45am |
re: #226 HoosierHoops
Basketball my friend..I played in College..
Okay, that follows. I thought that’s what you meant, but I wasn’t sure. Sorry to say I never got into the game. I grew up on baseball, all 4 of my bro’s played and I score kept for their teams.
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srb1976 Mar 13, 2010 7:37:58am |
re: #228 Dragon_Lady
Okay, that follows. I thought that’s what you meant, but I wasn’t sure. Sorry to say I never got into the game. I grew up on baseball, all 4 of my bro’s played and I score kept for their teams.
Don’t feel bad….I never got into basketball….I think mostly because I’m only 5 feet tall….. = )
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 7:38:32am |
Oh dear,look at the time!!
I’d better get busy doing SOMETHING..
or I’ll suffer from guilt all day.
….Yea right!
Later all!!
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:39:19am |
re: #229 srb1976
Don’t feel bad…I never got into basketball…I think mostly because I’m only 5 feet tall… = )
Well they tried to teach us girls the game in high school but after the third time I dislocated my knee the coach decided it wasn’t the game for me.
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 7:39:27am |
re: #226 HoosierHoops
Basketball my friend..I played in College..
I love basketball. My favorite teams are the Vikings, the Dodgers, and anyone who beats the 49ers.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 7:40:00am |
re: #232 darthstar
I love basketball. My favorite teams are the Vikings, the Dodgers, and anyone who beats the 49ers.
Dude, those are soccer teams.
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 7:40:08am |
re: #228 Dragon_Lady
Okay, that follows. I thought that’s what you meant, but I wasn’t sure. Sorry to say I never got into the game. I grew up on baseball, all 4 of my bro’s played and I score kept for their teams.
4 brothers? Wow! I’m a south paw so when I was a kid so I played a little first base for the local team.. But I fell in love with Basketball when I was a kid…
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 7:40:32am |
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Killgore Trout Mar 13, 2010 7:41:32am |
Breakfast!
Man sees Jesus in burnt pan of bacon
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:41:55am |
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 7:42:36am |
re: #209 reloadingisnotahobby
What’s worse is I’m looking out the window at a HUGE ELM TREE that I have to remove before I can start my addition…
Growing right up through the phone lines!
Don’t build the addition. Trees like that are a treasure.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:43:41am |
re: #234 HoosierHoops
4 brothers? Wow! I’m a south paw so when I was a kid so I played a little first base for the local team.. But I fell in love with Basketball when I was a kid…
Yeah, I thought I was a boy until I hit puberty… Mom said it was time for me to stop beating up on my bro’s and act like a lady. Didn’t happen!
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 7:44:06am |
re: #237 Dragon_Lady
Dude those are BASEBALL teams, silly!
I grew up in NorCal and love the Giants.. Everybody hated the Dodgers..
/It’s the law
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 7:44:41am |
re: #236 Killgore Trout
Breakfast!
Man sees Jesus in burnt pan of bacon
Golden Casino will buy it for 28K.
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srb1976 Mar 13, 2010 7:45:05am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 7:45:20am |
re: #240 HoosierHoops
I grew up in NorCal and love the Giants.. Everybody hated the Dodgers..
/It’s the law
I grew up a Dodger fan, but now I have the Rays.:)
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:45:43am |
re: #236 Killgore Trout
Breakfast!
Man sees Jesus in burnt pan of bacon
Takes all kinds I guess, Kosher he ain’t!
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 7:46:37am |
Had to run off and answer a telephone, so let’s try this again:
Mornin’!
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:46:44am |
re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar
I grew up a Dodger fan, but now I have the Rays.:)
Better put me in jail then, the Dodgers are my team and have been all my life! Don’t be knockin my bums!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 7:47:09am |
re: #245 SteveC
Had to run off and answer a telephone, so let’s try this again:
Mornin’!
Screw you. You had your chance.
//
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Rightwingconspirator Mar 13, 2010 7:47:32am |
re: #236 Killgore Trout
That does not look kosher.
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 7:48:16am |
re: #246 Dragon_Lady
Better put me in jail then, the Dodgers are my team and have been all my life! Don’t be knockin my bums!
OMG, I read that as buns!
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:48:59am |
re: #248 Rightwingconspirator
That does not look kosher.
Ooops, see? Watch out you guys, here comes the fever poster! And you thought drunk posting was fun?
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_RememberTonyC Mar 13, 2010 7:49:07am |
Ladies and Gentlemen … Introducing the “Coffee Party Movement.”
Their philosophy sounds mildly left of center, but not extremely so. There are a lot of things in their philosophy for a moderate of either party to like.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 7:49:35am |
If god didn’t want us eating bacon he wouldn’t have made it taste so good. What’s the point of going to heaven if you’re not going to be able to eat bacon?
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:50:09am |
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Rightwingconspirator Mar 13, 2010 7:50:17am |
re: #252 _RememberTonyC
The non dairy creamer may be an issue.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 7:50:20am |
re: #252 _RememberTonyC
Ladies and Gentlemen … Introducing the “Coffee Party Movement.”
[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]
Their philosophy sounds mildly left of center, but not extremely so. There are a lot of things in their philosophy for a moderate of either party to like.
The pro-Obama tea party isn’t getting a very rousing start.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 7:51:10am |
I’m starting the Beer Party. Who’s with me!!???
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:51:12am |
re: #255 Rightwingconspirator
The non dairy creamer may be an issue.
Hey I resent resemble that remark!
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 7:52:18am |
re: #253 RogueOne
If god didn’t want us eating bacon he wouldn’t have made it taste so good. What’s the point of going to heaven if you’re not going to be able to eat bacon?
And the people said, “Amen!”
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 7:52:23am |
re: #253 RogueOne
If god didn’t want us eating bacon he wouldn’t have made it taste so good. What’s the point of going to heaven if you’re not going to be able to eat bacon?
LOL
I don’t eat pigs..
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Rightwingconspirator Mar 13, 2010 7:52:23am |
re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar
I’m there. Hops platform
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_RememberTonyC Mar 13, 2010 7:52:28am |
my last post was the 6666th of my lizard career …. I had to post this just to get off that number.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 7:53:25am |
re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar
I’m starting the Beer Party. Who’s with me!!???
A six pack a night is all we ask!//
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Spare O'Lake Mar 13, 2010 7:53:49am |
I love the way the Obama administration sends the senile coot Biden to get all pissed off at Israel and to posture and whine and bitch until the Israelis are seen to be intimidated into putting a temporary freeze on the EJ building which wasn’t going to happen for 2 years in any event.
Meanwhile the Islamofascists in Gaza and the West Bank can just sit back and wait for The Islamic Republic of Iran to test a nuke, secure in the knowledge that the West is too weak and cowardly to stop them even as the Islamist regime publicly predicts the annihilation of Israel.
It sure is great theater…too bad it’s such a tragedy.
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srb1976 Mar 13, 2010 7:54:00am |
Her Royal Stoutness is back awake…with a fresh list of demands for her loyal servants…..gotta run!
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 7:56:30am |
re: #264 Spare O’Lake
No matter what Biden says on the world stage.. He is not a friend of Israel.
and nobody is buying the Bullshit
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Spare O'Lake Mar 13, 2010 7:57:20am |
re: #253 RogueOne
If god didn’t want us eating bacon he wouldn’t have made it taste so good. What’s the point of going to heaven if you’re not going to be able to eat bacon?
There is nothing in Judaism about keeping kosher in Heaven. I figure if you can make it up there then it should finally be open season!
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Killgore Trout Mar 13, 2010 7:57:38am |
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:00:08am |
re: #253 RogueOne
If god didn’t want us eating bacon he wouldn’t have made it taste so good. What’s the point of going to heaven if you’re not going to be able to eat bacon?
I guess the same could be said about chocolate, alcohol and a whole host of other things…
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 8:00:09am |
re: #236 Killgore Trout
Breakfast!
Man sees Jesus in burnt pan of bacon
Looks a bit more like Frank Zappa to me. OMFG! Frank Zappa WAS the second coming…now people are going to be disappointed they missed it.
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 8:00:21am |
re: #268 prairiefire
The Big 12 in KC:[Link: ozarksfirst.com…]
I think KC will win the national Championship this year..But so does everyone else.. So they are fucked
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compound idaho Mar 13, 2010 8:00:38am |
re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar
I’m starting the Beer Party. Who’s with me!!???
Platform
1) A Stout defence
2) Open Porters
3) Medical care for what ales you
….
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 8:00:51am |
re: #269 Spare O’Lake
There is nothing in Judaism about keeping kosher in Heaven. I figure if you can make it up there then it should finally be open season!
I can’t remember book, chapter or verse, but there is a passage in the Bible where Peter is dreaming. This big sheet comes down from heaven and God says “Hey, Peter, you look hungry, have some lunch.” And Peter replies “No way, Lord! Some of these animals aren’t on the approved list!” God tells him “Now Peter, I made all of these animals, you trying to tell me I messed up?!?!”
Thankfully (for him) Peter doesn’t go there.
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Tigger2005 Mar 13, 2010 8:00:52am |
During the Great Depression there was some radicalism and extremism and disillusionment, but by and large it seems to me like Americans stuck to their core values and principles, believing that the economic conditions were temporary and not worth giving up on what had clearly been proven to work over the long term.
Unfortunately most Americans today have no concept of the long term.
re: #34 Spare O’Lake
(*Repost of my late response from previous dead thread*)
Would you not agree that one of our deep-seated psychological needs which is going largely unfulfilled these days is the need to regain a sense of some semblance of control over the multitude of forces which affect our own lives? America has lost much of its economic preeminence; American military supremacy is under challenge; the MSM lacks decency and ethics; many American politicians seem to be a bunch of crooked, self-serving, immoral liars; society’s thirst for cheap energy and cheap goods has cost America much of its manufacturing base and hi-tech jobs; and many people are out of work and many have lost their homes. The future is uncertain.
The separation of Church and State is under siege partly as a result of peoples’ difficulty in handling the terrible mess they are in. Many are so desperate for answers that they are vulnerable to being sucked in by the facile explanations and promises of the religious extremists.
This is the context in which I view this rise in religious extremism.Good Morning LGF
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:01:05am |
re: #272 darthstar
Looks a bit more like Frank Zappa to me. OMFG! Frank Zappa WAS the second coming…now people are going to be disappointed they missed it.
LOL! Oh man you’re funny this morning!
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:01:41am |
re: #274 compound idaho
Platform
1) A Stout defence
2) Open Porters
3) Medical care for what ales you
…
Okay, I’ll hop on to that train!
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PhillyPretzel Mar 13, 2010 8:01:45am |
re: #272 darthstar
Remember the guy who had a grilled cheese sandwich that had an image of Christ in it? I think it was sold on eBay.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 8:01:56am |
re: #274 compound idaho
Platform
1) A Stout defence
2) Open Porters
3) Medical care for what ales you
…
Very nice. Ding.
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Rightwingconspirator Mar 13, 2010 8:04:01am |
re: #281 Cannadian Club Akbar
Everybody gets good head
On the beer folks….
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 8:04:27am |
*Singing* On the Road again…..
Philadelphia in Mid April for 3 days, catch the train to DC, Lobby for the Congenital Heart Futures Act, do a little sightseeing, and then back home.
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Spare O'Lake Mar 13, 2010 8:05:20am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 8:05:25am |
re: #284 SteveC
*Singing* On the Road again…
Philadelphia in Mid April for 3 days, catch the train to DC, Lobby for the Congenital Heart Futures Act, do a little sightseeing, and then back home.
Can you drop off a letter to Nancy Pelosi for me?
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Ericus58 Mar 13, 2010 8:05:28am |
re: #274 compound idaho
Platform
1) A Stout defence
2) Open Porters
3) Medical care for what ales you
…
I like a good Porter…
Dark, full body, a whole lotta taste with a hint of sweetness…
sounds like a good gal too…
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 8:06:20am |
re: #287 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can you drop off a letter to Nancy Pelosi for me?
Pass your own love notes!
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 8:06:45am |
re: #282 prairiefire
Sounds like our kind of luck.
I’ll be taking my laptop to the pub this next week and posting here and hanging with the boys…This is my favorite time of the year….
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prairiefire Mar 13, 2010 8:07:15am |
Plan from the FCC to widen Internet access in the US:nytimes.com
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:07:41am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 8:08:21am |
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 8:09:12am |
re: #291 prairiefire
Plan from the FCC to widen Internet access in the US:[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
Don’t necessarily need more internet, I need my phone provider to drop their DSL price. :( Until they do that I am stuck out here in dial up hell
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Rightwingconspirator Mar 13, 2010 8:11:35am |
re: #293 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have a letter for Nancy Pelosi. F
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Killgore Trout Mar 13, 2010 8:11:59am |
UKIP, darling of the “counterjihad” movement, calls for ethnic cleansing of the UK…..
Ethnically Cleansing the English (via google)
by Paul Weston
The anger amongst the indigenous working classes is palpable, and it is growing. As the working class EDL take to the streets stentoriously chanting “We want our country back, we want our culture back” and the middle class socialist students who joined the Islamist-infiltrated UAF — as a sop to their inability to score with either a football or a member of the opposite sex — respond with girlishly high pitched squeals of “Nazi scum off our streets”, then I see no reason to defer my prediction of European civil war by 2025.British Home Secretary Alan Johnson does not share my apocalyptic vision of potential civil unrest, claiming he did not lie awake at night worrying about the prospect of a 70 million British population and that he enjoyed living in a multicultural society; but now we know this is just a lie to facilitate a far greater evil.
…
Liberals tell us colonialism was evil, so why is the colonisation of white countries by non-white peoples — in far greater numbers than whites were ever sent to non-white countries — a matter of celebration? In 2050 the streets of Pakistani and Bangladeshi cities will be thronged with Pakistanis and Bangladeshis; there will be no white people there, just as there will be no white people on the streets of London, Luton, Paris, Rotterdam, Brussels, Malmö, etc. etc.The Jean Raspail quote at the beginning of this article should not be taken lightly. Whites made up almost 30% of the global population in 1950, but by 2050 they will be down to single digits, and producing just 5% of the new-born. For a race of people with such a tenuous grasp of life on this unfriendly planet, to be forced into a minority within your own homeland, which is your only point of defence, is an act of criminality without precedence.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 8:12:29am |
My mower was stolen and I just got a call from the Sheriff’s office asking if my mower was still missing. Does that make any sense?
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:13:59am |
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Taqyia2Me Mar 13, 2010 8:14:40am |
Off to Chicago (bang bang - Al Capone) to drop off my lovely wife as she will be there for a whole dern week for work.
Wearing green pants (even us Pollacks can be Irish one day a year in Chi-town) and hoping we can get the car parked without St Paddy’s Day amateurs intervening first.
Hope to see you ALL soon.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:14:47am |
re: #297 Cannadian Club Akbar
My mower was stolen and I just got a call from the Sheriff’s office asking if my mower was still missing. Does that make any sense?
No one ever said law enforcement was full of geniuses, my friend!
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Ericus58 Mar 13, 2010 8:14:54am |
I’m flying down to Vegas this week - just so happens to be on St. Patty’s day. Imagine that!
My son who turned 21 recently will be joining me from the Bay area while he’s on spring break. First time road trip for the two of us being able to legally share a beverage in public. The agenda will be Blue Man Group and any other live music to be had, golf, poker and hanging out in the Sports Book. The Paris will be our base of operations.
Originally my wife was going to be along but last month made the decision to let the boys hang out on their own, and told the Man-Cub to enjoy his time with his Dad. What a Gal.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 8:15:40am |
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:15:41am |
re: #299 Taqyia2Me
Off to Chicago (bang bang - Al Capone) to drop off my lovely wife as she will be there for a whole dern week for work.
Wearing green pants (even us Pollacks can be Irish one day a year in Chi-town) and hoping we can get the car parked without St Paddy’s Day amateurs intervening first.
Hope to see you ALL soon.
Cats away, mouse can play! Um…or not…
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 8:16:54am |
re: #301 Ericus58
My friend there is having a bowling tournament with punk rock bands. Not kidding.
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Taqyia2Me Mar 13, 2010 8:17:46am |
re: #303 Dragon_Lady
Cats away, mouse can play! Um…or not…
Heh heh, even if I could STILL catch a “mouse”, I wouldn’t know what to do with it! My wife knew me and still married me, that’s worth everything in the whole wide world!!
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:17:50am |
re: #304 Cannadian Club Akbar
My friend there is having a bowling tournament with punk rock bands. Not kidding.
Trying to get a mental image of that… not working! I guess that’s a good thing…
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 8:18:14am |
The University of Maryland has a contract with the NIH to do the pre-clinical trials (Safety tests) on Ventricular Assist Devices for children. A Ventricular Assist Device (VAD, sometimes called a LVAD because a great majority of them are attached to the left ventricle) is a tiny “engine” that can be attached to a weak heart and reduce its workload. It can help a heart survive longer to better the chances of finding a transplant; and in some case can even take over enough of the workload to let the heart rest and repair itself.
Page down to the bottom of this link and check out how small some of these things are!
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:18:50am |
re: #306 Taqyia2Me
Heh heh, even if I could STILL catch a “mouse”, I wouldn’t know what to do with it! My wife knew me and still married me, that’s worth everything in the whole wide world!!
Awww, that’s sweet! Yous a good un, you is!
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 8:18:55am |
re: #297 Cannadian Club Akbar
My mower was stolen and I just got a call from the Sheriff’s office asking if my mower was still missing. Does that make any sense?
Perhaps they have recovered one similar to yours!
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Ericus58 Mar 13, 2010 8:19:15am |
re: #304 Cannadian Club Akbar
My friend there is having a bowling tournament with punk rock bands. Not kidding.
Don’t they have a big bowling center in Vegas? Seems I’ve heard of tournaments being held there…
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 8:19:34am |
re: #304 Cannadian Club Akbar
My friend there is having a bowling tournament with punk rock bands. Not kidding.
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Taqyia2Me Mar 13, 2010 8:19:53am |
re: #309 Dragon_Lady
Awww, that’s sweet! Yous a good un, you is!
As are you, Mrs Dragon Lady. Hope to see you again soon!
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Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 8:19:57am |
re: #311 Ericus58
Don’t they have a big bowling center in Vegas? Seems I’ve heard of tournaments being held there…
Munson… is that you?
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Ericus58 Mar 13, 2010 8:21:07am |
re: #305 MandyManners
SNIP
Now the grandmother has to figure out how to get her grandson out of Ireland’s foster system and returned to Colorado. As someone who has dealt with jurisdictional matters when it comes to children, I hope it doesn’t cost her as much as it cost me in legal fees.
she took her SIX YEAR OLD SON with her on this murder mission?!?!
W…T…F……..
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SixDegrees Mar 13, 2010 8:22:48am |
re: #236 Killgore Trout
Breakfast!
Man sees Jesus in burnt pan of bacon
Obviously a fake. Jesus, after all, was a Jew, and a pan of pork is about the last place he’d appear.
QED. Mystery solved and fraud exposed by impeccable reasoning.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:23:57am |
re: #315 Ericus58
she took her SIX YEAR OLD SON with her on this murder mission?!?!
W…T…F…
What a loving mother. Mother of the year award anyone?/// Why hasn’t anyone slapped that bitch? Hard!
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:26:21am |
re: #317 MandyManners
Boggles the mind, doesn’t it.
Baffles, boggles, confuses, makes me cry… you name it!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 8:27:05am |
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 8:28:44am |
re: #264 Spare O’Lake
I love the way the Obama administration sends the senile coot Biden to get all pissed off at Israel and to posture and whine and bitch until the Israelis are seen to be intimidated into putting a temporary freeze on the EJ building which wasn’t going to happen for 2 years in any event.
Meanwhile the Islamofascists in Gaza and the West Bank can just sit back and wait for The Islamic Republic of Iran to test a nuke, secure in the knowledge that the West is too weak and cowardly to stop them even as the Islamist regime publicly predicts the annihilation of Israel.
It sure is great theater…too bad it’s such a tragedy.
Its Kabuki is what it is, and its already old and annoying. But it keeps Obama’s base happy and resolute action would not do that.
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 8:29:12am |
New Mexico just set an unemployment mark of 8.6%, highest in 25 years…good news is that it continues to snow over all the ranges across the state, even down to the border…and the northern ski resorts are rocking with lots of new powder every day or two…there is still a 3 to 4ft base so spring skiing will be a big money maker
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 8:29:57am |
re: #305 MandyManners
SNIP
Now the grandmother has to figure out how to get her grandson out of Ireland’s foster system and returned to Colorado. As someone who has dealt with jurisdictional matters when it comes to children, I hope it doesn’t cost her as much as it cost me in legal fees.
I hope that she teaches her grandson better than her daughter.
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Ericus58 Mar 13, 2010 8:30:21am |
re: #316 MandyManners
Fuck you, HRC. And the rest of your one-term assholes.
SNIP
Mitchell and company are making statements and promises they don’t have the power to keep. In the end, it just makes them look dumb…
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 8:30:47am |
re: #327 MandyManners
I thought it was six or, even younger depending on whether you use their moon-based calendar.
Either way, it makes you wonder.
Possibly though he did not rape her till she was 9.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:31:33am |
re: #325 MandyManners
I hope she never has custody of him again.
I will never, ever understand the mind that does things like that! To me kids are sacrosanct! You don’t hurt them, ever! And you don’t expose them to things like that! *sigh* She sounds like a poster child for post birth abortion….
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 8:32:36am |
re: #332 MandyManners
And, it emboldens the likes of ShortShit and Chavez. And the rest of the Jew-hating bastards in the world.
True that. But the Democratic base likes criticism of Israel and apology tours and Obama needs to please them this year, so expect more of both. In that regard I can’t wait for Election Day.
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Rightwingconspirator Mar 13, 2010 8:32:50am |
CNN just had a very fair report on medical marij.
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 8:33:44am |
Good morning lizards. I saw Hillary on my TV this morning scolding the Israelis about building a few apartments. Don’t ya love the outrage from this administration over that while Iran’s Manhattan Project continues to move forward with no outrage.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:34:53am |
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Rightwingconspirator Mar 13, 2010 8:35:41am |
re: #341 NJDhockeyfan
Non proliferation is nothing less than life or death for our civilization.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 8:36:41am |
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 8:39:40am |
Newsweek:
The press finally falls out of love with Obama
Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, was 50 minutes late for his briefing, apparently a record for tardiness, but few reporters in the White House press room bothered to feign outrage; they didn’t seem all that eager to ask him questions anyway. When his boss flew to Missouri to give another of his “high octane” (The New York Times), “impassioned” (The Washington Post) health-care speeches, no cable channel covered the event. If you are president, the only thing worse than criticism is not being covered. And the truth is, we in the press are bored with Barack.
The “mainstream media” are losing patience with, and even interest in, their erstwhile hero. President Barack Obama never had a chance with the Ailes-Murdoch crowd, of course, and it didn’t take the president long to offend the fierce left wing of the blogosphere. But now, finally, the MSM, which views itself as ideologically neutral, has found ideologically neutral reasons to lose patience with him: that he may be ineffectual; that he doesn’t know how to play the game; that he can’t get anything done. Exhibit A: the health-care bill. The Times’s Frank Rich, the astute dean of the commentariat, wrote recently that Obama has failed to “communicate a compelling narrative” in office and, as a result, “could be toast if he doesn’t make good on a year’s worth of false starts.”
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Rightwingconspirator Mar 13, 2010 8:42:01am |
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:42:06am |
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 8:42:32am |
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Rightwingconspirator Mar 13, 2010 8:43:05am |
re: #354 swamprat
I’ll never understand that about far left politics.
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 8:43:35am |
Google Inc. has drawn up detailed plans to shut its search engine in China and is “99.9 percent” certain of going ahead with the closure, the Financial Times reported today, citing a person it didn’t name.
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PhillyPretzel Mar 13, 2010 8:43:57am |
Sorry I am not paying attention to the room. My downspout is disconnected from the bottom. I just lassoed the dang thing with plactic bags. I hope it holds.
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Rightwingconspirator Mar 13, 2010 8:44:46am |
re: #359 SteveC
Good for them. China has already started the net wars. The real deal.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mar 13, 2010 8:45:13am |
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swamprat Mar 13, 2010 8:45:30am |
re: #350 NJDhockeyfan
Newsweek:
But now, finally, the MSM, which views itself as ideologically neutral, has found ideologically neutral reasons to lose patience with him: that he may be
The press finally falls out of love with Obama
Chortle…wheeeze….farts….falls off chair
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 8:45:42am |
re: #350 NJDhockeyfan
Newsweek:
Frank Rich does know something about establishing narratives. If the Butcher of Broadway is telling you to get your story moving, you’d best get it moving.
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Rightwingconspirator Mar 13, 2010 8:46:39am |
re: #363 Cannadian Club Akbar
I’ll stick to traffic, weather, and news. Radio sucks for punditry and music.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:47:04am |
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 8:49:02am |
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t….
I went to the fight and I got this medal - and this letter of reprimand!
A U.S. Army officer who was honored for valor after his combat outpost in Afghanistan was attacked has also received a letter of reprimand for failing to secure the base before the attack, according to Army officials.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:50:13am |
re: #369 PhillyPretzel
She gargles regularly
I think radio is the perfect place for a face like that!
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 8:51:25am |
just got an email from a buddy…every song the Beatles recorded, with accompanying slide show or lyrics, and a blurb or two about each song from one or more of the boys…and as a bonus a long list of performance and studio vids….all in outstanding audio…yowza!
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 8:53:35am |
re: #372 Dragon_Lady
I think radio is the perfect place for a face like that!
She’s on one of the Satellite radio networks… and since they’ve merged, that means she’s on my radio!
Used XM Tao for Sale!
Battery cover loose but works just fine!
///
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 8:53:56am |
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SteveC Mar 13, 2010 8:55:21am |
re: #373 MandyManners
The Pakistani intelligence operative who makes that prediction will always have a job!
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 8:55:26am |
Ozzie Guillen has a bone to pick…with Sean Penn?
You can add Sean Penn to the long list of people who have been called out by Ozzie Guillen.
The outspoken White Sox manager called Penn a “payaso” (clown) and “izquierdista estupido” (stupid leftist) on Twitter Friday for his praise of controversial Venezuela President Hugo Chavez.
“Oh my God, Sean Penn defended our President Hugo Chavez,” Guillen, a Venezuela native, tweeted. “That’s easy when you [don’t] live in Venezuela and have money. LOL…shame on [you].”
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Bear Mar 13, 2010 8:56:18am |
re: #370 SteveC
He is very lucky it only was a letter. Others have gone to jail.
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What, me worry? Mar 13, 2010 8:57:15am |
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Cato the Elder Mar 13, 2010 8:59:54am |
re: #15 Jimmah
Hi Cato - I just noticed that Irish Rose has gone full mental stalker tonight on Charles and LGF over on her grief hole of a blog. As expected.
Well, she agrees with the stalkers about a lot of things now.
It’s a shame, really. There are a lot of us out here who agree with Charles politically – we just can’t stomach or support what the site is becoming under his angry, knee-jerk reactionism and the tender ministrations of registrants like Cato, Iceweasel, and Jimmah.
Evil trio alert!
Rose, since you’re having a conversation all by yourself over there (one post and three comments, all by you), let me point out what you’ve always been too thick to grasp: the line between sycophant and stalker is a fine one. Neither contributes anything to a blog discussion. The one just praises and expects pats on the head, while the other gets angry without proper care and attention. They can morph back and forth into each other. Which you have now done.
You would know that if you had more self-awareness and intellectual penetration than a stick of butter trying to carve itself into a knife…
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 9:00:15am |
re: #385 MandyManners
SNIP
Why are they shocked? Didn’t they notice who Obama surrounded himself with before he ran for POTUS?
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What, me worry? Mar 13, 2010 9:01:26am |
re: #385 MandyManners
SNIP
So did George Bush. And he was very verbal about it too.
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: I’ve been very clear about Israel has an obligation under the road map. That’s no expansion of settlements. I look forward to continuing to work and dialogue with Israel on this subject.
ARIEL SHARON: It is the Israeli position that the major Israeli population centers will remain in Israel’s hands under any future final status agreement.
MARGARET WARNER: President Bush agreed that some major West Bank population centers would likely remain under Israeli control as part of final status negotiations with the Palestinians.
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: But there is a road map, there is a process, and we’ve all agreed to it. And part of that process is no expansion of settlements.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 9:01:54am |
re: #386 Cato the Elder
You would know that if you had more self-awareness and intellectual penetration than a stick of butter trying to carve itself into a knife…
I’m stealing that line, dear Cato-bot, if I may. Adding it to the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. programming right now…
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 9:02:13am |
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Ericus58 Mar 13, 2010 9:02:19am |
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 9:06:29am |
re: #370 SteveC
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t…
I went to the fight and I got this medal - and this letter of reprimand!
I read that story a couple days ago. What a shame, of course if he had done the proper planning he might not have had to fight like madman to keep his troops alive. Heroes aren’t always perfect I guess.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 9:07:39am |
So weird. The WSJ has more info on that second American woman involved in that jihadi plot to kill the cartoonist:
On Sept. 11, she suddenly left Leadville, Colo., a small town in the Rocky Mountains, for Denver, then for New York, to meet and marry a Muslim man she connected with online, her family says. Ms. Paulin-Ramirez, who is 5-foot-11 and blonde, phoned her mother and stepfather in Leadville, providing them with an address in Waterford, Ireland, they say.
Looks like it was at least the fourth marriage for her.
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 9:07:51am |
re: #266 HoosierHoops
No matter what Biden says on the world stage.. He is not a friend of Israel.
and nobody is buying the Bullshit
…instead of smoothing ruffled feathers in Jerusalem with interviews to the host media, Vice President Biden snubbed them all and granted the only interview of his trip to the Arabic Al Jazeera TV, whose news content is sharply slanted against Israel, US military campaigns in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and the Western war on terror.
By signing off his Israel visit with an Al Jazeera interview, Joe Biden made it perfectly clear exactly how he feels about the Jewish state.
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 9:12:59am |
re: #388 marjoriemoon
So did George Bush. And he was very verbal about it too.
[Link: www.pbs.org…]
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: I’ve been very clear about Israel has an obligation under the road map. That’s no expansion of settlements. I look forward to continuing to work and dialogue with Israel on this subject.
ARIEL SHARON: It is the Israeli position that the major Israeli population centers will remain in Israel’s hands under any future final status agreement.
MARGARET WARNER: President Bush agreed that some major West Bank population centers would likely remain under Israeli control as part of final status negotiations with the Palestinians.
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: But there is a road map, there is a process, and we’ve all agreed to it. And part of that process is no expansion of settlements.
Yeah, but Bush wasn’t black…and Muslim…and Kenyan…and a Democrat.
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What, me worry? Mar 13, 2010 9:15:08am |
re: #394 RogueOne
How’s your animal?
Yes, it’s a cat. After a steep vet bill, he’s doing better. His cheek was swollen. I think it’s an abscess. She (the vet) wanted to charge me for a chest xray to rule out a tumor. I mean really. If you have cats, most cheek swellings are abscesses from the ear or tooth. Anyway, still cost me a bundle.
Poor guy, he’s 17, weighs 5 lbs, in diapers… I’m crazy, but oddly enough, he doesn’t appear sick so I’m holding on to him.
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 9:17:20am |
Sitting in an airport, on his way home to Michigan, Rep. Bart Stupak, a pro-life Democrat, is chagrined. “They’re ignoring me,” he says, in a phone interview with National Review Online. “That’s their strategy now. The House Democratic leaders think they have the votes to pass the Senate’s health-care bill without us. At this point, there is no doubt that they’ve been able to peel off one or two of my twelve. And even if they don’t have the votes, it’s been made clear to us that they won’t insert our language on the abortion issue.”
According to Stupak, that group of twelve pro-life House Democrats — the “Stupak dozen” — has privately agreed for months to vote ‘no’ on the Senate’s health-care bill if federal funding for abortion is included in the final legislative language. Now, in the debate’s final hours, Stupak says the other eleven are coming under “enormous” political pressure from both the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.). “I am a definite ‘no’ vote,” he says. “I didn’t cave. The others are having both of their arms twisted, and we’re all getting pounded by our traditional Democratic supporters, like unions.”
Stupak notes that his negotiations with House Democratic leaders in recent days have been revealing. “I really believe that the Democratic leadership is simply unwilling to change its stance,” he says. “Their position says that women, especially those without means available, should have their abortions covered.” The arguments they have made to him in recent deliberations, he adds, “are a pretty sad commentary on the state of the Democratic party.”
What are Democratic leaders saying? “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. That’s one of the arguments I’ve been hearing,” Stupak says. “Money is their hang-up. Is this how we now value life in America? If money is the issue — come on, we can find room in the budget. This is life we’re talking about.”
WTF???
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simoom Mar 13, 2010 9:18:31am |
re: #341 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards. I saw Hillary on my TV this morning scolding the Israelis about building a few apartments. Don’t ya love the outrage from this administration over that while Iran’s Manhattan Project continues to move forward with no outrage.
One of the main reasons the Vice President was in Israel to was to reaffirm our special relationship and to coordinate sanctions / strategy with respect to the Iranian nuclear program. Instead, what should have been a love-fest between the two countries, and it was shaping up that way with Biden offering glowing praise of Prime Minister Netanyahu, was turned on it’s head.
I’ve seen it argued that the US, Quartet and international response has been overblown, but I don’t have a tremendous amount of sympathy for the Prime Minister, whose Interior Minister pointlessly upended a strategically and diplomatically important high-level visit.
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What, me worry? Mar 13, 2010 9:18:36am |
re: #400 darthstar
Yeah, but Bush wasn’t black…and Muslim…and Kenyan…and a Democrat.
yea heh
Well, the ADL is complaining over what seems to be a dust up in communication. I’m not sure I even follow it.
Israel is going to do what Israel deems best for its security, no matter what any country says anyway and I’m more than happy with that. Israeli critics are harder on Obama than they were on Bush. I’m not convinced it’s deserved.
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Van Helsing Mar 13, 2010 9:18:43am |
From the 9th Circuit Court (hope it’s not old news to y’all):
Pledge
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 9:19:19am |
re: #370 SteveC
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t…
I went to the fight and I got this medal - and this letter of reprimand!
Though it is much better run than most, the Army is still in some ways a bureaucratic institution, and those takes silly nonsensical actions at times.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 9:19:29am |
re: #403 NJDhockeyfan
WTF???
Stupak is desperate. And lying, of course.
Arguably the single biggest threat to health care reform is Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) and his dozen Democratic allies, who are threatening to kill the legislation over indirect, circuitous funding of abortion.Efforts to work with Stupak are ongoing, but it’s worth emphasizing a relevant detail: Stupak is just wrong about the underlying policy dispute. Whether he knows he’s wrong, and he’s just hoping to kill health care reform, is unclear. But the accuracy of Stupak’s claims aren’t in dispute: the facts aren’t on his side.
Since then he’s losing some of the people he counted on. Good.
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 9:21:39am |
re: #403 NJDhockeyfan
WTF???
Stupak is saying that democratic leaders are saying “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. ” In other words, Stupak is feeling sorry for himself because he just learned he can’t hold health care reform hostage over a single issue which isn’t even relevant to the bill.
Fuck Stupak. Fuck him hard. He deserves to be ignored. Especially when he pulls this ‘they hate babies’ bullshit.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:21:39am |
re: #403 NJDhockeyfan
Why are you placing any credibility in that statement?
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 9:22:43am |
PATIENT’S ORDEAL AS BODIES ARE LEFT ON WARD FOR HOURS
A HOSPITAL patient told yesterday of her “eight hours of horror” after the bodies of three dead people were left in their beds – with one not taken out until the ward was full of visitors.
Sarah Stevenson was undergoing treatment at Heartlands Hospital in Birmingham when three patients on her ward died in the same afternoon.
The grandmother was appalled when the body of the first patient, who died around 1pm, was left in bed for more than four hours, allowing a stench to spread through the ward.
Although this patient was finally moved, two more patients died and the final body was not removed until 8.30pm when the ward was full of families visiting relatives.
The hospital said it was not able to remove the first body for hours because specialist equipment was needed and staff had to contact the family.
Mrs Stevenson, 64, a lung patient, blamed the pressure placed on over-worked nurses. “There were three people who died on the same day in that ward and one of the bodies was in a bed opposite me, a patient who died at 1pm. Another one died at around 2pm and the third a while later.
“The stench was horrendous. The porters finally turned up to take the last away during visiting hours nearly eight hours later when the ward was full of families.
“It was appalling and it should never take that long. The nurses were pushed to the limit and couldn’t control a lot of what was going on.”
But a hospital spokeswoman said the patient whose body had been left for four hours was not moved for specific clinical reasons which were “too sensitive” to release.
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 9:23:11am |
re: #408 iceweasel
Since then he’s losing some of the people he counted on. Good.
I don’t agree but then again I want the bill to die, so I hope Stupak can hold on to his people.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:23:26am |
re: #407 Dark_Falcon
And ground commanders will always, in the end, be judged by REMFs.
They’re expected to appeal, I hope that they make their case. I’ve heard a number of ground commanders say that the bases they’re charged to defend are not well-defensible. Best outcome would be an improvement to our strategy that results in fewer desperate defenses like this.
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 9:24:30am |
Nurses’ union: Care does not include sex
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) – A union representing Dutch nurses will launch a national campaign Friday against demands for sexual services by patients who claim it should be part of their standard care.
The union, NU’91, is calling the campaign “I Draw The Line Here,” with an advert that features a young woman covering her face with crossed hands.
The union said in a statement Thursday that the campaign follows a complaint it had received in the last week from a 24-year-old woman who said a 42-year-old disabled man asked her to provide sexual services as part of his care at home.
The young woman witnessed some of the man’s other nurses offering him sexual gratification, the union said. When she refused to do the same, he tried to dismiss her on the grounds that she was unfit to provide care.
“This type of action is not part of the job responsibilities of carers and nurses,” NU’91 said.
The case has been reported to police, the union added.
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ryannon Mar 13, 2010 9:24:40am |
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 9:25:10am |
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simoom Mar 13, 2010 9:25:42am |
re: #385 MandyManners
ADL’s Abraham Foxman, who is offering the criticisms in the above article, wrote this on Thursday:
huffingtonpost.com
The stage was set therefore for the most successful effort for strengthening U.S.-Israel relations since the new administration entered office. And then came the announcement of plans for building 1,200 new apartments in East Jerusalem.One doesn’t have to accept the most cynical interpretation of that announcement, and I surely don’t, that the prime minister knew about it, to recognize what a disaster it was. Whatever the motivation and whoever the responsible party, it is the government of Israel that justifiably is held accountable for converting an optimal moment in U.S.-Israel relations into a moment of crisis. The crucial point is that the government had an obligation to anticipate what might go wrong during the vice president’s visit and to give firm instruction to all cabinet members about avoiding such pitfalls, particularly on the subjects of settlements and East Jerusalem.
That the administration was angry was not surprising. First was the sense of personal embarrassment to Mr. Biden, especially since part of his mission was to enhance the relationship. Second was the need to separate itself from the Israeli actions, lest it be perceived that the coincidence of the Biden presence and the building announcement be linked in the minds of the Palestinians and Arab world. And third, with the proximity talks in the works, the administration undoubtedly saw a vociferous reaction as necessary to mitigate Palestinian anger so that the talks would proceed.
While much of this is understandable, there needs to be some stepping back so that there are no long-term deleterious results from this contretemps. The vice president’s comments in his Tel Aviv University address softening the U.S. response was helpful. Less helpful were his comments that Israel’s announcement on building in East Jerusalem was endangering American troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:26:12am |
re: #418 MandyManners
Why do you place any credibility in that statement, Mandy?
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Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 9:26:13am |
re: #411 NJDhockeyfan
What a bunch of whiners. Three people died in the same ward. What was the hospital expected to do? It’s not easy to process three death in the same afternoon. It’s not like bagging the trash.
And on top of that… it’s a fucking ward, in a hospital, not the food court at Harrod’s.
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 9:26:35am |
re: #412 Dark_Falcon
I don’t agree but then again I want the bill to die, so I hope Stupak can hold on to his people.
Why? Health care costs are going to continue to rise if this bill doesn’t pass, and 30 million MORE Americans may benefit from it if it does.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 9:26:46am |
re: #412 Dark_Falcon
I don’t agree but then again I want the bill to die, so I hope Stupak can hold on to his people.
We’ll see. There’s lots of fuckwittery still in play, lots of ways for HCR to still get tanked.
If it is going to get tanked, it shouldnt be because of Stupak, though, DF. Stupak is just fucking WRONG about the underlying policy issue, and fuck him for trying to make it all about abortion.
This appears to be what’s going on at the moment big picture wise, if you’re interested:
Divide And Conquer: The GOP’s PsyOps Strategy To Scare Shaky House Dems Off Health Care Reform
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 9:26:47am |
re: #414 NJDhockeyfan
That shouldn’t even be an issue. Medical care does not include getting someone off. Ice, do you have a Trollcat or vid for this one?
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 9:27:20am |
re: #414 NJDhockeyfan
That right there’s funny!!
Last time I was in a hospital for a LONG stay was in 78…
What happened there stayed there and was not on my bill!
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Ericus58 Mar 13, 2010 9:28:14am |
re: #393 RogueOne
I read that story a couple days ago. What a shame, of course if he had done the proper planning he might not have had to fight like madman to keep his troops alive. Heroes aren’t always perfect I guess.
It depends. i didn’t read in the article who had first established the location of the base - was it down prior to his assignment, under the direction of a higher officer in the CoC?
Being located as it was - very poor choice, allowing high ground to command your position. I think this is why several officers above him were also reprimanded.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:30:02am |
re: #427 MandyManners
I already asked him as well, Mandy. You responded to his comment in a way that suggested you found it credible. May I ask if you do place credibility in his statement?
Doesn’t it seem likely that it’s just a man trying to spin his political pickle in the best possible way— “OMG the democrats hate babies”?
It’s not like he’s handling himself with dignity or class during this ugly little fight he started.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 9:30:46am |
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 9:32:16am |
re: #422 Walter L. Newton
What a bunch of whiners. Three people died in the same ward. What was the hospital expected to do? It’s not easy to process three death in the same afternoon. It’s not like bagging the trash.
And on top of that… it’s a fucking ward, in a hospital, not the food court at Harrod’s.
tag em and bag em
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wrenchwench Mar 13, 2010 9:32:28am |
re: #430 Obdicut
Doesn’t it seem likely that it’s just a man trying to spin his … pickle in the best possible way…
It’s not like he’s handling himself with dignity …
I left only the good parts….
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Charles Johnson Mar 13, 2010 9:32:40am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 9:32:49am |
re: #431 Dragon_Lady
Then don’t do it!!
Works for me!
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:33:04am |
re: #433 MandyManners
Okay, I apologize if I misunderstood you.
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 9:33:39am |
OT: sorry..I’m so sick of seeing such poor passing in College Basketball..
In the day..A great player was known by crisp accurate passing to the open teammate..Dang it..Where is the next Chris Paul or Jason Kidd?
A great point guard is so hard to find…Even as a shooting Forward..Larry Bird was one of the greatest passers of all time…The art is dead Jim..
Everybody thinks Basketball is only about shooters..
Sorry..
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 9:34:16am |
re: #430 Obdicut
I already asked him as well, Mandy. You responded to his comment in a way that suggested you found it credible. May I ask if you do place credibility in his statement?
Doesn’t it seem likely that it’s just a man trying to spin his political pickle in the best possible way— “OMG the democrats hate babies”?
It’s not like he’s handling himself with dignity or class during this ugly little fight he started.
one would be naive to believe anything said by anybody regarding HCR…the whole thing is a fucked up mess…no point in nit picking this person or that imo
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 9:34:34am |
re: #439 HoosierHoops
OT: sorry..I’m so sick of seeing such poor passing in College Basketball..
In the day..A great player was known by crisp accurate passing to the open teammate..Dang it..Where is the next Chris Paul or Jason Kidd?
A great point guard is so hard to find…Even as a shooting Forward..Larry Bird was one of the greatest passers of all time…The art is dead Jim..
Everybody thinks Basketball is only about shooters..
Sorry..
Dude…there’s no time to pass the ball…there may be scouts in the audience.
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 9:34:42am |
re: #414 NJDhockeyfan
What a perv! If I had been his nurse I probably would have put his bed pan in the freezer first before letting him use it! Cold balls make for no nookie!
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Ericus58 Mar 13, 2010 9:34:45am |
re: #404 simoom
One of the main reasons the Vice President was in Israel to was to reaffirm our special relationship and to coordinate sanctions / strategy with respect to the Iranian nuclear program. Instead, what should have been a love-fest between the two countries, and it was shaping up that way with Biden offering glowing praise of Prime Minister Netanyahu, was turned on it’s head.
I’ve seen it argued that the US, Quartet and international response has been overblown, but I don’t have a tremendous amount of sympathy for the Prime Minister, whose Interior Minister pointlessly upended a strategically and diplomatically important high-level visit.
The Interior Minister is from the very right Orthodox party - some are reading this as a dig at Netanyahu, meant to embarrass him.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 9:34:57am |
re: #421 Obdicut
Why do you place any credibility in that statement, Mandy?
Not sure what could have given us the idea he might be telling the truth. It might have something to do with this:
Hardly any Democrat running for Congress seems to want to talk about healthcare.Of the 26 leading Democratic House candidates contacted by The Hill, only one would commit to voting for the Senate healthcare bill if and when it comes to the House floor.
Out of the more than two dozen Democratic challengers and open-seat House candidates, only 10 commented for this story. Eight outright declined to comment.
Eight more didn’t respond to several days’ worth of requests via phone and e-mail.
or maybe this:
politico.com
In addition, it looks like House Democrats won’t have to vote directly on a Senate bill they really don’t like. The speaker hasn’t made a final decision, but she told her rank-and-file during the meeting that the plan now is to craft a rule that would “deem” the Senate bill passed once they approve the package of fixes.That means they would vote on the rule and the so-called reconciliation package, which would make changes to the Senate bill and only requires 51 votes to pass in the Upper Chamber.
It’s so popular they don’t want to vote or talk about it.
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 9:36:02am |
re: #436 Charles
I don’t believe a single word of what Stupak says in that article.
I hope it’s not true. That’s one helluva fucked-up statement.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:36:37am |
re: #445 RogueOne
Rogue, the part I’m pointing to as a fabrication is the Democrats opposing his amendment because it would mean more babies being born.
I don’t think it’s any kind of secret the Democrats are having trouble corralling votes. That’s not what I was talking about.
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 9:36:52am |
re: #439 HoosierHoops
OT: sorry..I’m so sick of seeing such poor passing in College Basketball..
In the day..A great player was known by crisp accurate passing to the open teammate..Dang it..Where is the next Chris Paul or Jason Kidd?
A great point guard is so hard to find…Even as a shooting Forward..Larry Bird was one of the greatest passers of all time…The art is dead Jim..
Everybody thinks Basketball is only about shooters..
Sorry..
Bird and Johnson, the two best I ever saw…they could make any pass, and if not they simply invented a new one!…I love that part of the game
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Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 9:37:43am |
re: #445 RogueOne
It’s so popular they don’t want to vote or talk about it.
Neither of those two articles directly deal with the abortion issue or the statement that Stupak made. How is that relevant?
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 9:37:59am |
re: #448 Obdicut
Rogue, the part I’m pointing to as a fabrication is the Democrats opposing his amendment because it would mean more babies being born.
I don’t think it’s any kind of secret the Democrats are having trouble corralling votes. That’s not what I was talking about.
They’re pulling out all the stops to try to get this through. Is it really beyond the realm of imagination that someone has tried to use that argument with the stupak group?
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Charles Johnson Mar 13, 2010 9:38:05am |
re: #447 NJDhockeyfan
I hope it’s not true. That’s one helluva fucked-up statement.
No politician would say that. Stupak is a religious fanatic member of The Family, and he’s simply lying.
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 9:38:07am |
re: #445 RogueOne
It’s so popular they don’t want to vote or talk about it.
it’s the cans!…get away from the cans!
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 9:38:11am |
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:38:28am |
re: #449 albusteve
And Parish. Don’t forget him.
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Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 9:39:02am |
re: #439 HoosierHoops
OT: sorry..I’m so sick of seeing such poor passing in College Basketball..
In the day..A great player was known by crisp accurate passing to the open teammate..Dang it..Where is the next Chris Paul or Jason Kidd?
A great point guard is so hard to find…Even as a shooting Forward..Larry Bird was one of the greatest passers of all time…The art is dead Jim..
Everybody thinks Basketball is only about shooters..
Sorry..
I get tired of hearing about basketball period. A silly foot race to see how many more times one team can get to the other end of the court than the other.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 9:39:27am |
re: #445 RogueOne
It’s so popular they don’t want to vote or talk about it.
Bollocks. None of that has anythng to do with Stupak, btw, or his bullshit on HCR.
It does have something to do with the article I linked upthread though, about the PsyOps.
Check out this Yglesias piece too, which imo nails it:
I don’t think the arguments mounted by Pat Caddell and Douglas Schoen that Democrats will face political disaster if they pass health reform hold water. Or, rather, I think they disingenuously fail to consider the alternative. If reform passes, Democrats will almost certainly lose a whole bunch of seats in November. But if reform fails, Democrats will also almost certainly lose a whole bunch of seats in November. At the margin, passing reform helps the party’s prospects in the midterms in my view, but the midterms outlook is just bad and there’s nothing to be done health care-wise at this point to change that.
[…]
The takeaway:
Which is just to say that nobody lasts in office forever, no congressional majority lasts forever, and no party controls the White House forever. But the measure of a political coalition isn’t how long it lasted, but what it achieved. From the tone of a lot of present-day political commentary you’d think that the big mistake Lyndon Johnson made during his tenure in the White House was that by passing the Civil Rights Act he wound up damaging the Democratic Party politically by opening the South up to the GOP. Back on planet normal, that’s the crowning achievement of his presidency.
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jaunte Mar 13, 2010 9:39:29am |
re: #414 NJDhockeyfan
Maybe the patient had his unions mixed up.
news.bbc.co.uk
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:40:29am |
re: #451 RogueOne
It’s a retarded argument that goes antithetical to the ‘values’ Stupak is supposedly promoting, so it would be a completely counter-effective argument.
It’s like saying that they tried to convince him to drop his amendment because they really want to kill babies. It’s not an argument that’s credible as one that would sway him, so why the fuck would they use it?
I suspect they did say, bluntly, that his bill would mean millions more children being born with their parents unready or unwilling to care for them. Because that’s true. I hope, at least, they tried to make him feel some shame on that.
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 9:40:37am |
re: #443 Dragon_Lady
What a perv! If I had been his nurse I probably would have put his bed pan in the freezer first before letting him use it! Cold balls make for no nookie!
More fitting would have been to dump the pan over his head. My question would be: Why were the other nurses going along with this ass?
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 9:40:39am |
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Stanley Sea Mar 13, 2010 9:41:37am |
re: #419 simoom
re: #444 Ericus58
With the link drop this a.m., this one hasn’t appeared:
Vice President Joe Biden left Israel with an apology from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for the diplomatic uproar that overshadowed his visit and further encumbered a U.S. peace initiative.
Near the beginning of his visit on Tuesday, Israel’s Interior Ministry publicized its approval of a plan to build 1,600 homes in east Jerusalem—territory claimed by Palestinians.
A statement from the prime minister’s office Thursday expressed “regret over the unfortunate timing” and declared that ground wouldn’t be broken on the project for several years. It also pledged to ensure similar “incidents” wouldn’t recur.
I like to see the whole story.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:41:59am |
re: #461 darthstar
Robert Parish, AKA The Chief, AKA “I’ve got the rebound”.
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webevintage Mar 13, 2010 9:42:01am |
re: #436 Charles
I don’t believe a single word of what Stupak says in that article.
Why would anyone?
Stupak is just pissed that everyone has stopped paying attention to him and money is being raised all over the internet for his primary opponent.
“They’re ignoring me,”
whaaaaaa whaaaaaa whaaaaaaa
Stupak is an ass like Mike Ross who used the HC bills as ways to raise their profile. His amendment was overkill and I’m glad he is now feeling so lonely.
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 9:42:25am |
re: #455 Obdicut
And Parish. Don’t forget him.
some great inside ball handlers…I don’t know who invented which passes, maybe nobody does…but those guys mentioned were like jugglers or magicians…a perfect bounce pass between a defenders legs…a hook over the shoulder to the glass while somebody sails in for the slam….unreal
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 9:42:36am |
re: #442 darthstar
Dude…there’s no time to pass the ball…there may be scouts in the audience.
I was in the crowd watching Reggie Miller’s retirement game and saw one of the greatest passers of all time.. Steve Nash…In person..He could run so fast and make the sweetest passes you have ever seen…I mean he was fast and made passes that just stunned you…You can’t see it on TV..The speed of the game is too fast…I think the Pacers lost by like 20 points that night…
The boys talked after game.. Can you believe Steve Nash? unreal.
What a Canadian Stud
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 9:42:41am |
re: #456 Walter L. Newton
Walter,
Ready for more snow?
They say it’s coming but I don’t see it yet!
Got cool link from a UDOT friend .It’s the live cam on I 70 east of I 15
I watched my wife drive over the summit in the truck in real time.
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 9:42:45am |
re: #456 Walter L. Newton
I get tired of hearing about basketball period. A silly foot race to see how many more times one team can get to the other end of the court than the other.
shut up
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 9:42:49am |
re: #460 Dark_Falcon
More fitting would have been to dump the pan over his head. My question would be: Why were the other nurses going along with this ass?
Heaven only knows! My Mom was a nurses aid for over 20 years and the stories she would tell! But as far as I know no one ever wanted ever wanted sex as part of their treatment.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 9:43:02am |
re: #457 iceweasel
I think he’s living in a fantasy land. Everyone knows this is hugely unpopular right now, if it weren’t they wouldn’t have to try to find ways around normal parliamentary procedure so they can try to claim they didn’t actually vote for it. Even in a decent economy they still were going to lose seats, by passing this in way they can they’re setting themselves up to take a beating. I’m not being a concern troll, I’m just saying.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 9:44:14am |
re: #459 Obdicut
Stupak is a liar. He has always been wrong about the underlying policy issues w/r/t abortion, and his goal was to ensure (heh) that women don’t have access to abortion, by making it essentially available only to privileged women.
There is no doubt in my mind that he has always known that he’s been wrong about the HCR funding of abortion, and no doubt at all that it is the consequence of his association with the Family (and his own beliefs).
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 9:44:29am |
re: #471 RogueOne
….Even in a decent economy they still were going to lose seats, by passing this any way they can they’re setting themselves up to take a beating…..
sorry about that..
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 9:44:30am |
re: #464 Obdicut
Robert Parish, AKA The Chief, AKA “I’ve got the rebound”.
I have his autograph when he played for Golden State
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 9:44:45am |
re: #468 reloadingisnotahobby
Walter,
Ready for more snow?
They say it’s coming but I don’t see it yet!
Got cool link from a UDOT friend .It’s the live cam on I 70 east of I 15
I watched my wife drive over the summit in the truck in real time.
Stalking your own wife? For shame!/ :-)
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simoom Mar 13, 2010 9:44:45am |
re: #452 Charles
No politician would say that. Stupak is a religious fanatic member of The Family, and he’s simply lying.
He’s also working closely with some of the more politically active pro-life catholic bishops:
(Newsweek) When Bishops Play Politics
Now a new generation of bishops, appointed by Pope John Paul II and activist especially on life issues, sees the opportunity to affect abortion policy. They’ve seized, in particular, on the Democrats’ lack of unity on the choice issue, and they’ve stepped into that gap by articulating a firm and uncompromising anti-abortion stance.
…
These new bishops are freelancers, comfortable speaking in public and making their own connections with politicians.
…
This strategy has worked, to a point. I spoke last week to Rep. Bart Stupak, the Catholic Democrat from Michigan who, at the 11th hour, attached an amendment to the House health-care bill restricting the use of government funds to any health-care plan that includes abortion. The bishops, he says, were “very, very, very engaged” in the framing of the amendment. Through last summer and fall, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops “was working with my staff.” But as the House headed toward a vote, “I asked them to come by, to make sure we were on the same page. After that first meeting, I said, ‘I’m not moving forward until you know what I’m doing.’ We had to coordinate forces. They’d ask us about members. I’d say, ‘I’ve talked to this one but not to that one.’ ” The bishops, in other words, were counting votes.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:44:50am |
re: #471 RogueOne
I think your own opposition to the bill is coloring your perception of people’s attitude towards it.
I think a lot of people just want it fucking over, for us to move forwards, for the Democrats to prove they can actually pass it.
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Killgore Trout Mar 13, 2010 9:45:03am |
re: #459 Obdicut
It’s a retarded argument that goes antithetical to the ‘values’ Stupak is supposedly promoting, so it would be a completely counter-effective argument.
It’s like saying that they tried to convince him to drop his amendment because they really want to kill babies. It’s not an argument that’s credible as one that would sway him, so why the fuck would they use it?
I suspect they did say, bluntly, that his bill would mean millions more children being born with their parents unready or unwilling to care for them. Because that’s true. I hope, at least, they tried to make him feel some shame on that.
It’s a pretty transparent gimmick, Massa did the same thing. Dems in trouble have learned that all they have to do is to invent some outrageous outrage and Republicans will immediately jump to their aid. It doesn’t have to be even close to being true, the more outrageous the lie the better. A few Dems have just learned to exploit the easily outraged wingnuts.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:45:53am |
| 482 |
iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 9:46:05am |
re: #471 RogueOne
I think he’s living in a fantasy land. Everyone knows this is hugely unpopular right now, if it weren’t they wouldn’t have to try to find ways around normal parliamentary procedure so they can try to claim they didn’t actually vote for it. Even in a decent economy they still were going to lose seats, by passing this in way they can they’re setting themselves up to take a beating. I’m not being a concern troll, I’m just saying.
It isn’t unpopular, that’s the thing. Passing it will result in immediate effects for many people. Good effects. The GOP is desperate to tank it by any means necessary.
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Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 9:46:16am |
re: #468 reloadingisnotahobby
Walter,
Ready for more snow?
They say it’s coming but I don’t see it yet!
Got cool link from a UDOT friend .It’s the live cam on I 70 east of I 15
I watched my wife drive over the summit in the truck in real time.
On a local community forum, it’s saying 60 percent chance for Sunday… not bad, usually at about 70 percent and it’s a sure thing, so, we’ll see.
SInce I’m not working right now, I take the snow forecasts with a little less concern, except I do worry a bit when my girlfriend has to head to work when there is some snowpack.
Other wise, currently, I can just sit here and enjoy the mess through the windows and the pretty view outside.
I use the DOT cams a lot, they really come in handy when planning travel in snowy weather.
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 9:47:04am |
re: #471 RogueOne
I think he’s living in a fantasy land. Everyone knows this is hugely unpopular right now, if it weren’t they wouldn’t have to try to find ways around normal parliamentary procedure so they can try to claim they didn’t actually vote for it. Even in a decent economy they still were going to lose seats, by passing this in way they can they’re setting themselves up to take a beating. I’m not being a concern troll, I’m just saying.
I agree with you.
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 9:47:06am |
re: #481 Obdicut
Whoops, sorry Steve, I actually meant:
[Video]
I was gonna say….the Senate Pass was pretty outstanding too, considering
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 9:47:07am |
re: #478 Obdicut
I think your own opposition to the bill is coloring your perception of people’s attitude towards it.
I think a lot of people just want it fucking over, for us to move forwards, for the Democrats to prove they can actually pass it.
You’re spending too much time looking in the mirror.//
We only have every poll, NJ, VA, the kennedy seat, all the payoffs, and the attempt to bypass normal procedure as evidence. Stay alert, stay alive.
| 487 |
Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 9:47:13am |
re: #469 albusteve
shut up
You know Steve, if I didn’t know you better, I would say you didn’t mean that.
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 9:47:13am |
re: #482 iceweasel
It isn’t unpopular, that’s the thing. Passing it will result in immediate effects for many people. Good effects. The GOP is desperate to tank it by any means necessary.
Failing to stop progress is their campaign slogan this year. It’s a sure winner.
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b_sharp Mar 13, 2010 9:47:37am |
Knock, knock
(pokes head around partially open door)
“No dishes flying”
“No screaming”
“No fisticuffs”
“Hmm, could be safe”
“No bad smells”
“sigh, guess I’ll give it a try”
(clears throat)
(no response)
(clears throat loader)
(breaths in saliva, goes into coughing jag)
(bangs head against door knob)
…
(with hand over forehead to hide bump)
Um, good morning folks. Is it safe to come in?
My forehead? Just a little bruise, I bumped it while … shaving.
| 490 |
RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 9:48:06am |
re: #482 iceweasel
It isn’t unpopular, that’s the thing. Passing it will result in immediate effects for many people. Good effects. The GOP is desperate to tank it by any means necessary.
I love ya but I’m ready to put money on this. I view politics as a sporting event and right now the dems are down for the 8 count and looking for a way out of the ring.
| 491 |
Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 9:48:07am |
re: #477 simoom
No surprise. Stupak gave the clergy the involvement they’ve wanted for some time.
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 9:49:04am |
re: #481 Obdicut
Whoops, sorry Steve, I actually meant:
[Video]
there you have it….maybe that was the golden era for my time
| 494 |
Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 9:49:06am |
re: #489 b_sharp
Knock, knock
(pokes head around partially open door)“No dishes flying”
“No screaming”
“No fisticuffs”
“Hmm, could be safe”
“No bad smells”
“sigh, guess I’ll give it a try”(clears throat)
(no response)
(clears throat loader)
(breaths in saliva, goes into coughing jag)
(bangs head against door knob)
…
(with hand over forehead to hide bump)
Um, good morning folks. Is it safe to come in?My forehead? Just a little bruise, I bumped it while … shaving.
Things are heating up, and I don’t really care for hot water. Not my cup o’tea atol.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 9:49:08am |
re: #488 darthstar
Failing to stop progress is their campaign slogan this year. It’s a sure winner.
Yep. I still wonder, who in the hell can they run in 2012?
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 9:49:28am |
re: #489 b_sharp
Um, good morning folks. Is it safe to come in?
Good morning…welcome. Please disregard my previous salutation.
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 9:49:30am |
re: #490 RogueOne
I love ya but I’m ready to put money on this. I view politics as a sporting event and right now the dems are down for the 8 count and looking for a way out of the ring.
Quite Concur. Obama wants this bill but the GOP and the Tea Partiers have stirred up so much opposition that the Dems don’t want to vote for it.
| 498 |
reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 9:49:32am |
re: #476 Dragon_Lady
LOL
She took the truck last weekend…
But this weekend she took her car,a Chrysler 300…
I was worried about her drive ..so she can call me and
get the scoop before she drive over the hill!
Handy little site!
| 499 |
Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 9:49:34am |
re: #489 b_sharp
Knock, knock
(pokes head around partially open door)“No dishes flying”
“No screaming”
“No fisticuffs”
“Hmm, could be safe”
“No bad smells”
“sigh, guess I’ll give it a try”(clears throat)
(no response)
(clears throat loader)
(breaths in saliva, goes into coughing jag)
(bangs head against door knob)
…
(with hand over forehead to hide bump)
Um, good morning folks. Is it safe to come in?My forehead? Just a little bruise, I bumped it while … shaving.
You didn’t see nothing old man. We’re just five happy party clowns, sitting down to a plate of beef. White- powdery- beef.
| 501 |
HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 9:49:58am |
re: #456 Walter L. Newton
I get tired of hearing about basketball period. A silly foot race to see how many more times one team can get to the other end of the court than the other.
Nobody asked you to post about it..Do you have a scroll wheel on your mouse?
You wouldn’t last 60 seconds on the court.. Stick with writing plays.
Don’t trash the greatest Athletes in the world Walter…
You seem to be bitter the last couple weeks.. Lighten up .
please
| 502 |
Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 9:50:07am |
re: #495 iceweasel
Yep. I still wonder, who in the hell can they run in 2012?
That, I just don’t know.
| 503 |
iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 9:51:00am |
re: #490 RogueOne
I love ya but I’m ready to put money on this. I view politics as a sporting event and right now the dems are down for the 8 count and looking for a way out of the ring.
Like I said, there are lots of ways for HCR to get tanked still. We’ll see.
If it is tanked, that would be very bad— and not in the sporting partisan sense, but bad for the country.
| 504 |
Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 9:51:11am |
re: #498 reloadingisnotahobby
LOL
She took the truck last weekend…
But this weekend she took her car,a Chrysler 300…
I was worried about her drive ..so she can call me and
get the scoop before she drive over the hill!
Handy little site!
Awww, that’s nice of you. A caring man is a rare man. Upding for you!
| 505 |
Lidane Mar 13, 2010 9:51:24am |
| 506 |
albusteve Mar 13, 2010 9:51:44am |
re: #487 Walter L. Newton
You know Steve, if I didn’t know you better, I would say you didn’t mean that.
saying shut up! was forbidden in my family growing up…I still have psychological problems with it….sometimes I get it mixed up with I love you
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Gus Mar 13, 2010 9:51:47am |
re: #354 swamprat
The left do love their dictators!
Sometimes they do. Here, I compiled a list. Guess who loved these guys?
General Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez
Anastasio Somoza, Sr.
Anastasio Somoza, Jr.
General Efrain Rios Mont
Roberto Suazo Cardova
General Manual Noriega
Vinicio Cerezo
Alfredo Cristiani
Saddam Hussein
General Humberto Branco
Colonel Hugo Banzer
General Jorge Rafael Videla
Alfredo Stroessner
General Augusto Pinochet
| 508 |
Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:52:01am |
re: #486 RogueOne
What are you talking about, dude?
I’m saying: The people opposed to the bill staunchly are opposed to the Democrats trying to pass it in the first place. They’re not going to ‘forgive’ them if the Democrats fail to pass it and go, “oh, wait, these Democrats aren’t so bad, I’ll vote for one!”
The people mildly opposed to the bill are going to start thinking about other things after its passed, and the Democrats need to get the attention off the bill— by passing it— in order to start getting them on board.
The people who are apathetic right now towards the Democrats since they can’t seem to do anything will get energized by the passage of the bill, which will transform into support for the Democrats.
I don’t get this idea that the opposition to the bill means that the Democrats should fold, politically. It doesn’t add up, to me.
In every case in the past where the GOP has tried to sink a social program like this, it has killed them in the end politically. Every time. The only exception I can think of is ERA, which I think isn’t really comparable.
| 509 |
Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 9:52:04am |
re: #501 HoosierHoops
Nobody asked you to post about it..Do you have a scroll wheel on your mouse?
You wouldn’t last 60 seconds on the court.. Stick with writing plays.
Don’t trash the greatest Athletes in the world Walter…
You seem to be bitter the last couple weeks.. Lighten up .
please
Waaaaa… and they never picked me for dodge ball either… said I was too fat :)
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 9:52:08am |
re: #495 iceweasel
Yep. I still wonder, who in the hell can they run in 2012?
If the economy continues to recover, we get out of Afghanistan and Iraq, jobs return, and people start getting decent health care, the GOP will invest about 7 million dollars in 2012, and spend that money on clothes for their candidate and her kids. An anti-peace and prosperity ticket isn’t going to do well.
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b_sharp Mar 13, 2010 9:52:10am |
re: #499 Walter L. Newton
You didn’t see nothing old man. We’re just five happy party clowns, sitting down to a plate of beef. White- powdery- beef.
Mornin’ Walter.
Where’s your nekid self and dog avatar you promised?
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prairiefire Mar 13, 2010 9:53:33am |
re: #490 RogueOne
I’m in. $500 cyber bucks on the Dem’s passing HCR and Obama’s poll ratings staying over 50%. The people who don’t like HCR are not going to vote for Obama in 2012.
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webevintage Mar 13, 2010 9:53:37am |
re: #471 RogueOne
I think he’s living in a fantasy land. Everyone knows this is hugely unpopular right now, if it weren’t they wouldn’t have to try to find ways around normal parliamentary procedure so they can try to claim they didn’t actually vote for it. Even in a decent economy they still were going to lose seats, by passing this in way they can they’re setting themselves up to take a beating. I’m not being a concern troll, I’m just saying.
And if they don’t pass it they will loose seats too.
Polls now show a slight uptick in the approval ratings and when you look at the polls basically half of us approve and half of us don’t. I am more annoyed that the House has not just passed the damn Senate bill, gotten it signed and moved on to change that which should be changed.
And before anyone says that means the bill sucks…wrong, most large legislation ends up needing tweaks.
(and I am tired of the house whining about not trusting the Senate or worrying about their seats. Their job is to do what they think is best for the country not what will get them re-elected.)
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Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 9:54:18am |
re: #511 b_sharp
Mornin’ Walter.
Where’s your nekid self and dog avatar you promised?
I’m still trying to convince my girlfriend to take the picture, she’s not real thrilled about the idea. I tried to do it myself a little earlier this morning, before everyone got up, but it was too difficult to hold the Siberian Husky, the camera and my **** at the same time.
I’m working on it.
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reloadingisnotahobby Mar 13, 2010 9:54:19am |
re: #512 reloadingisnotahobby
That.. and I needed my truck today…
I’m a stinker! A caring stinker!
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 9:54:35am |
re: #509 Walter L. Newton
Waaa… and they never picked me for dodge ball either… said I was too fat :)
no, it was because you didn’t understand the game
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Donna Ballard Mar 13, 2010 9:55:44am |
Well I’m gonna go spoil RWC for a while, his fevers back and he’s coughing quite a bit so I’m gonna go get him some cough medicine. Later Lizards! Keep Laughing!
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Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 9:55:45am |
re: #518 albusteve
no, it was because you didn’t understand the game
Yes I did. They told me I got to play on my own team… and they all got on the other side of the gym… they also told me that 10 basketballs was the normal number for that game.
I think they were lying to me.
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Charles Johnson Mar 13, 2010 9:55:52am |
re: #15 Jimmah
I just noticed that Irish Rose has gone full mental stalker tonight on Charles and LGF over on her grief hole of a blog. As expected.
That’s pretty sad. She’s actually whining about having her account blocked — after the kinds of things she’s been posting about me? What planet do these people live on, where they can say the most vicious things, send hate mail, accuse me publicly of all kinds of nastiness — and then expect me to leave their accounts open?
Pathetic.
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webevintage Mar 13, 2010 9:56:10am |
re: #486 RogueOne
You’re spending too much time looking in the mirror.//
We only have every poll, NJ, VA, the kennedy seat, all the payoffs, and the attempt to bypass normal procedure as evidence. Stay alert, stay alive.
Polls say half want it, half do not (give or take a few points) and when asked about the parts people support it even more.
NJ and VA had nothing to do with HCR and polling in MA polls have shown that HCR had nothing to do with Brown winning.
There is no “attempt to bypass normal procedure” either.
This is a narrative that is not based in reality.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 9:56:46am |
A little more on poor, poor Stupak:
Hoyer: I’m Not Negotiating On Abortion Provisions in Health Care Bill
TPM’s Brian Beutler reports from Capitol Hill that House Democrats are moving forward on health care with or without prolife Rep. Bart Stupak and the dozen lawmakers he might get to attempt to block the bill.
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told reporters this morning that Democrats “have not discussed a third way” and that when he spoke with Stupak (D-MI) about the abortion provisions he wants in the measure, “I made it clear that I wasn’t negotiating.”
“We don’t want to go without their votes, but we do want to forge ahead, and as you know Mr. Stupak has made it very very clear that he’s very strongly in favor of achieving health care in this Congress. And I think that a lot of his colleagues feel the same way,” Hoyer said.
That’s why he’s off whining to NRO, btw. No one wants to play with him any more.
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 9:56:50am |
re: #514 webevintage
People want to see results. Passing HCR will stem the potential losses as Americans will move on. Let’s not forget, elections are in November, when people are worried about how to pay for Xmas. Pass HCR, pass a decent jobs bill, pump some more stimulus into the economy, and November won’t be a blowout for either side, as Democrat and Republican alike will be claiming responsibility for any progress.
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 9:56:55am |
Union thugs threaten Democrats…
SEIU Warns Dems: If You Don’t Back Reform, We Won’t Back You
Hardball time.
In what seems intended as a shot across the bow of House Dems wavering on health reform, top officials with the labor powerhouse SEIU have bluntly told a Democratic member that they will pull their support for him — and will likely field a challenger against him — if he votes No on the Senate bill.
Dem Rep Mike McMahon of New York met yesterday with a top SEIU official and told him he’s likely to vote No, the official tells me. The official: Mike Fishman, president of SEIU 32bj, the largest property workers union in the country, with 120,000 members in eight states.
Fishman told McMahon that the union would not support him if he voted No — and suggested the hunt for a primary or third-party challenger would follow.
“He let us know he’s not supportive of the health care plan,” Fishman says. “We’ve let him know that we can’t support somebody who doesn’t support it.”
“We are going to begin talking to other unions about finding someone else for that seat,” Fishman continued.
McMahon enjoyed heavy labor backing when he was elected to his conservative Staten Island district in 2008. He voted No on the bill last time but was said to be undecided on the Senate bill, and labor had hoped to win his support for the crucial final vote.
Fishman said SEIU officials were intent on sending a message to other House Dems that they risk losing the union’s support if they don’t vote for the bill — and said the union’s rank and file membership strongly wanted reform to pass.
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b_sharp Mar 13, 2010 9:57:06am |
re: #516 Walter L. Newton
I’m still trying to convince my girlfriend to take the picture, she’s not real thrilled about the idea. I tried to do it myself a little earlier this morning, before everyone got up, but it was too difficult to hold the Siberian Husky, the camera and my *** at the same time.
I’m working on it.
Not to hard I hope.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 9:58:37am |
re: #526 NJDhockeyfan
It’s so thuggish when interest groups tell politicians that they won’t support them if they don’t support the issues important to the group. Thuggish is definitely what comes to mind.
/
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Charles Johnson Mar 13, 2010 9:58:37am |
So far today I’ve received three hate mails about Hillary Clinton’s statement on Israeli settlement building.
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webevintage Mar 13, 2010 9:59:30am |
re: #526 NJDhockeyfan
Union thugs threaten Democrats…
SEIU Warns Dems: If You Don’t Back Reform, We Won’t Back You
GOOD!
and they are not thugs.
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Gus Mar 13, 2010 9:59:39am |
re: #524 iceweasel
A little more on poor, poor Stupak:
Hoyer: I’m Not Negotiating On Abortion Provisions in Health Care BillThat’s why he’s off whining to NRO, btw. No one wants to play with him any more.
After weeks of research I’ve come to the conclusion that Bart Stupak is a douche bag. This research is also peer reviewed.
/
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Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 9:59:40am |
re: #526 NJDhockeyfan
Union thugs threaten Democrats…
SEIU Warns Dems: If You Don’t Back Reform, We Won’t Back You
Another fabrication.
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 9:59:43am |
re: #529 Charles
So far today I’ve received three hate mails about Hillary Clinton’s statement on Israeli settlement building.
Sounds like you’ve got yourself a thread topic.
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 9:59:50am |
re: #528 Obdicut
It’s so thuggish when interest groups tell politicians that they won’t support them if they don’t support the issues important to the group. Thuggish is definitely what comes to mind.
/
SEIU is run by thugs. Everyone knows that.
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b_sharp Mar 13, 2010 10:00:11am |
Oops, look at the time will you? Gotta get this placed cleaned up for my little 3 year old nephew to visit. Can’t let him break something and cut himself.
I’m off.
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webevintage Mar 13, 2010 10:00:19am |
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 10:00:29am |
re: #529 Charles
So far today I’ve received three hate mails about Hillary Clinton’s statement on Israeli settlement building.
Why did they send you hate mail? Hillary made the statements, not you.
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Gus Mar 13, 2010 10:01:00am |
re: #535 NJDhockeyfan
SEIU is run by thugs. Everyone knows that.
And the health care industry, health insurance corporations, and health insurance attorneys, are all beautiful people doing “God’s work.”
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 10:01:07am |
re: #508 Obdicut
This bill simultaneously goes too far and not far enough. If they manage to force it through they’re only going to stop part of the bleeding of their base but it all but guarantees losing independents in record numbers. 6 months ago I thought the idea of the republicans re-taking the house or senate was crazy talk now I’m almost leaning to the point where I think it’s a serious possibility. If they force it through using the slaughter idea that takes the chances, In My Opinion™, to almost a certainty.
Secondly, The economy is in the tanks. If they don’t get it going full speed by the end of summer all people are going to remember while they’re at the polls is all the time spent on other issues.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 10:01:16am |
re: #521 Charles
That’s pretty sad. She’s actually whining about having her account blocked — after the kinds of things she’s been posting about me? What planet do these people live on, where they can say the most vicious things, send hate mail, accuse me publicly of all kinds of nastiness — and then expect me to leave their accounts open?
Pathetic.
She’s been having a conversation with herself in the comments there since then, still ripping on LGF, a few posters, and calling you names. “Delusional” appears to be her word of the day.
She might need to think about how that word applies to herself.
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 10:02:23am |
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 10:02:24am |
re: #535 NJDhockeyfan
SEIU is run by thugs. Everyone knows that.
Busboys…yeah…they’re all thugs. So are the room-service waiters…THUGS, I tellz ya. And the maids…thugs with vacuums.
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Charles Johnson Mar 13, 2010 10:02:28am |
re: #538 NJDhockeyfan
Why did they send you hate mail? Hillary made the statements, not you.
Here’s one:
Moment of truth, bitch. Now we’ll see just how far left you have sunk. Israel makes unilateral concessions, the Palestinians respond by murdering Jews, and your hero Obama identifies Israel as being the impediment to peace. Live down to expectations, just ignore it, and focus on the diabolical Creationists. So, were you always a fraud, or has there been some severe head trauma that corrupted you?
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 10:02:39am |
re: #535 NJDhockeyfan
Well, I don’t know that, so I don’t think you’re quite right. To me, the SEIU is a large union that’s basically no different from a corporation at this point. They’re too large, and have the problem that any large union has— the needs of their memberships are very disparate, in some cases. So the union winds up penalizing some of its membership at the expense of others in the membership. I think the SEIU, and all large unions, should split into smaller groups more responsive to membership.
But no, they’re not any more thuggish than any other major lobbying group.
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HoosierHoops Mar 13, 2010 10:02:40am |
re: #541 iceweasel
She’s been having a conversation with herself in the comments there since then, still ripping on LGF, a few posters, and calling you names. “Delusional” appears to be her word of the day.
She might need to think about how that word applies to herself.
She lost it last summer..Sad really
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 10:03:32am |
re: #540 RogueOne
Well, I don’t have access to your crystal ball, so I can’t really argue with any of that.
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webevintage Mar 13, 2010 10:03:50am |
re: #543 darthstar
Busboys…yeah…they’re all thugs. So are the room-service waiters…THUGS, I tellz ya. And the maids…thugs with vacuums.
And don’t forget the nurses.
They are the worst.
/
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Stanley Sea Mar 13, 2010 10:03:51am |
ACORN thugs
SEIU thugs
Chicago thugs
yeah, it’s a valuable description.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 10:04:30am |
re: #547 Obdicut
Well, I don’t have access to your crystal ball, so I can’t really argue with any of that.
We’ll have 7 more months to debate the issue. All I know is I’m pretty confident you’ll be the one buying the beer when it’s all said and done.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 10:04:49am |
re: #549 Stanley Sea
It’s demonization of working-class people, to me. Class-warfare isn’t just one-way.
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swamprat Mar 13, 2010 10:05:22am |
re: #545 Obdicut
Well, I don’t know that, so I don’t think you’re quite right. To me, the SEIU is a large union that’s basically no different from a corporation at this point. They’re too large, and have the problem that any large union has— the needs of their memberships are very disparate, in some cases. So the union winds up penalizing some of its membership at the expense of others in the membership. I think the SEIU, and all large unions, should split into smaller groups more responsive to membership.
But no, they’re not any more thuggish than any other
major lobbying groupChicago based union
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Gus Mar 13, 2010 10:05:34am |
re: #545 Obdicut
Well, I don’t know that, so I don’t think you’re quite right. To me, the SEIU is a large union that’s basically no different from a corporation at this point. They’re too large, and have the problem that any large union has— the needs of their memberships are very disparate, in some cases. So the union winds up penalizing some of its membership at the expense of others in the membership. I think the SEIU, and all large unions, should split into smaller groups more responsive to membership.
But no, they’re not any more thuggish than any other major lobbying group.
SEIU is just blowing smoke with this warning. Honestly, if the SEIU won’t support Democratic candidates who would they support? It certainly won’t be Republicans. I think in the long run even if HCR were to fail SEIU will in the end continue to support the Democrats.
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SandwichKed Mar 13, 2010 10:05:40am |
re: #526 NJDhockeyfan
Union thugs threaten Democrats…
Oooh, shocker. Politicians oppose a politically active group’s interests, and the politically active group opposes the politicians right back. I suppose you think they’re thugs for not supporting anti-union republicans, as well?
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Stanley Sea Mar 13, 2010 10:05:40am |
re: #551 Obdicut
It’s demonization of working-class people, to me. Class-warfare isn’t just one-way.
Yep.
Loved when Rush praised the hospital workers (SEIU) in Hawaii.
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SixDegrees Mar 13, 2010 10:05:41am |
Just a reminder that the shadowy, uber-powerful Overlords in charge of the New World Order and everything else have decreed that tomorrow morning, the earth will instantaneously spin forward 15 degrees.
In order to protect the citizenry from the enormous accelerations involved, they will be heavily sedated in the usual manner.
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wrenchwench Mar 13, 2010 10:05:53am |
re: #544 Charles
Here’s one:
Your opinion seems to matter more than Hillary’s, Obama’s or anybody else’s. Flattering, in an utterly psychotic way.
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 10:06:05am |
re: #541 iceweasel
She’s been having a conversation with herself in the comments there since then, still ripping on LGF, a few posters, and calling you names. “Delusional” appears to be her word of the day.
She might need to think about how that word applies to herself.
Actually, her argument seems to be initially directed at you. ice. It’s the standard “Iceweasel ruined LFG!!1” argument. It is best summarized as follows:
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 10:06:36am |
re: #540 RogueOne
This bill simultaneously goes too far and not far enough. If they manage to force it through they’re only going to stop part of the bleeding of their base but it all but guarantees losing independents in record numbers. 6 months ago I thought the idea of the republicans re-taking the house or senate was crazy talk now I’m almost leaning to the point where I think it’s a serious possibility. If they force it through using the slaughter idea that takes the chances, In My Opinion™, to almost a certainty.
Secondly, The economy is in the tanks. If they don’t get it going full speed by the end of summer all people are going to remember while they’re at the polls is all the time spent on other issues.
by the end of summer???….ah, I don’t think that is possible
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 10:06:42am |
re: #550 RogueOne
Well, yes, obviously you’re very confident. That’s what makes me bemused, because there is obviously so much uncertainty and so many variables that can change.
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jaunte Mar 13, 2010 10:07:00am |
Unions have in the past been thuggish to workers willing to sell their labor for less than union rates.
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 10:07:52am |
re: #538 NJDhockeyfan
Why did they send you hate mail? Hillary made the statements, not you.
Hillary doesn’t reply.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 10:08:17am |
re: #561 jaunte
And corporations and the US government have been thuggish to unions by shooting striking union workers.
So maybe we should call it even?
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 10:08:47am |
re: #547 Obdicut
re: #540 RogueOne
re: #525 darthstar
People want to see results. Passing HCR will stem the potential losses as Americans will move on. Let’s not forget, elections are in November, when people are worried about how to pay for Xmas. Pass HCR, pass a decent jobs bill, pump some more stimulus into the economy, and November won’t be a blowout for either side, as Democrat and Republican alike will be claiming responsibility for any progress.
The Dems are going to lose seats in November. Possibly the House. That’s just always the way for a midterm esp when you have both the executive and the legislative under one party. The major issue is and will be the economy— that is also always the best predictor of incumbents losing.
People will try to spin it as a rejection of the Dems or a rejection of Obama, but it’s going to be anti-incumbent sentiment.
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SandwichKed Mar 13, 2010 10:09:37am |
re: #562 darthstar
Hillary doesn’t reply.
One of the reasons I’m learning to love this blog is just how quickly Charles does reply to stuff. Not sure it’s always the best plan, but it sure drives conversation.
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wrenchwench Mar 13, 2010 10:10:13am |
re: #558 Dark_Falcon
Actually, her argument seems to be initially directed at you. ice. It’s the standard “Iceweasel ruined LFG!!1” argument. It is best summarized as follows:
[Video]
I still don’t care for the “butthurt” meme, but sometimes it fits so well.
This will be my only butthurt upding.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 10:10:38am |
re: #559 albusteve
That’s my belief. Remember in the ‘92 elections the economy was turning around but it didn’t happen long enough before the elections for it to sink in with voters. If it takes until fall to get it going that’s not going to be enough time. Not even winning a war trumps a crappy economy, if they think forcing through a bill like HCR while playing parliamentary games is going to save them they’re crazy.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 10:10:46am |
re: #564 iceweasel
I know. Which is why I’m far more concerned with the quality of the people the GOP is putting up in those places I think the Democrats will lose. I really don’t mind Democrats losing seats— most of them aren’t worth a damn. But I do mind if they’re replaced by an AGW-denying Paulian Theocrat nutjob.
Sadly, the chances of the GOP halting in its mad rush towards total political insanity before the elections seems very low.
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swamprat Mar 13, 2010 10:10:57am |
re: #561 jaunte
Unions have in the past been thuggish to workers willing to sell their labor for less than union rates.
And towards non-union companies. And non union workers. And suppliers to non union companies. And Law Enforcement agents protecting non union employees.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 10:11:02am |
re: #558 Dark_Falcon
Actually, her argument seems to be initially directed at you. ice. It’s the standard “Iceweasel ruined LFG!!1” argument. It is best summarized as follows:
[Video]
I don’t even know what Rose’s issue with me was or is.
Sent her a nice email back in October when it became clear she had one.
She never replied.
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 10:12:18am |
Police investigating union worker fight at hospital
GARDEN GROVE – A 31-year-old union employee could face misdemeanor assault charges after she pushed another union worker who was meeting with employees at Garden Grove Hospital’s cafeteria, police said.
The incident, caught on video and posted on YouTube, shows a woman talking to a hospital employee in a high-pitched, emotional voice. Then the man holding the camera remarks: “Blame it on the members, blame your incompetence…” At that point, the woman charges toward the camera mouthing obscenities at the man and knocks the camera out of his hands, the video shows.
(Disclaimer: The YouTube video linked above contains profanity and may be offensive to some.)
Police responded to the incident, which occurred at about 10:05 p.m. Feb. 23, said Garden Grove police Lt. Travis Whitman. Police were called to the same location about 8:30 p.m. for a “disturbance.” Whitman said there were no incidents or arrests during the earlier call.
He said the woman in the video has been identified as 31-year-old Liz Castillo, a member of the local SEIU United Healthcare Workers West Chapter. Whitman said the man who was hit was not injured. “We’re waiting to talk to (Castillo),” he said.
Thug.
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Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 10:12:23am |
re: #568 Obdicut
I know. Which is why I’m far more concerned with the quality of the people the GOP is putting up in those places I think the Democrats will lose. I really don’t mind Democrats losing seats— most of them aren’t worth a damn. But I do mind if they’re replaced by an AGW-denying Paulian Theocrat nutjob.
Sadly, the chances of the GOP halting in its mad rush towards total political insanity before the elections seems very low.
And the chances of the AGW-denying Paulian Theocrat nut jobs getting elected is probably very high.
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Gus Mar 13, 2010 10:12:58am |
re: #563 Obdicut
And corporations and the US government have been thuggish to unions by shooting striking union workers.
So maybe we should call it even?
Bloody Thursday - 1934
3 Killed, 31 Shot in Widespread Rioting
SCORES INJURED, GASSED AS POLICE BATTLE MOBS; CARGO MOVING CONTINUES
The National Guard was ordered to San Francisco’s waterfront by Gov. Merriam today as riot after riot swept the Embarcadero, swirled around the Ferry Building and gripped the downtown industrial area and Rincon Hill.
Two men were killed by bullets, another by injuries, 31 others were shot and an untold number, including police, were clubbed, gassed, beaten and stoned.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 10:13:20am |
re: #568 Obdicut
I know. Which is why I’m far more concerned with the quality of the people the GOP is putting up in those places I think the Democrats will lose. I really don’t mind Democrats losing seats— most of them aren’t worth a damn. But I do mind if they’re replaced by an AGW-denying Paulian Theocrat nutjob.
Sadly, the chances of the GOP halting in its mad rush towards total political insanity before the elections seems very low.
That’s my big fear as well. I don’t care if the Dems lose seats, and frankly I prefer it when the same party doesn’t hold both the executive and the legislative branch.
I’m worried about what kind of teabagging anti-science theocrats might get seats, though.
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 10:13:53am |
re: #568 Obdicut
I know. Which is why I’m far more concerned with the quality of the people the GOP is putting up in those places I think the Democrats will lose. I really don’t mind Democrats losing seats— most of them aren’t worth a damn. But I do mind if they’re replaced by an AGW-denying Paulian Theocrat nutjob.
Sadly, the chances of the GOP halting in its mad rush towards total political insanity before the elections seems very low.
The major hope I have is that winning the House will force the GOP to come up with some ideas of their own, not just reactions to Obama.
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Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 10:14:19am |
re: #575 iceweasel
That’s my big fear as well. I don’t care if the Dems lose seats, and frankly I prefer it when the same party doesn’t hold both the executive and the legislative branch.
I’m worried about what kind of teabagging anti-science theocrats might get seats, though.
You can be sure that any Republican that wins anything in the coming elections will be teabagging anti-science theocrats.
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 10:14:42am |
re: #565 SandwichKed
One of the reasons I’m learning to love this blog is just how quickly Charles does reply to stuff. Not sure it’s always the best plan, but it sure drives conversation.
I enjoy watching to a point, but then I find it gets boring after a while. I enjoy the way threads here stay on topic for a hundred comments or so, but then evolve into branches of open topics. Charles’ beef with the right, or more accurately, the right’s beef with Charles, is always something I pay little attention to, though it is interesting to see how he responds at times. Mostly, I think he enjoys the barrage and mocking their e-threats for what they are…pissy tirades.
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 10:14:54am |
thugs come in all shapes and sizes, every color and demeanor…they have made a living inside govt at every level…they smile while they cut your throat
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Cato the Elder Mar 13, 2010 10:15:00am |
re: #570 MandyManners
Upding for having the brass balls to keep your Allah-piss avatar. The stalkers over at the BBC heart you, too!
Did it ever occur to you just to change the word to “Hamas” or somehin’?
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 10:15:14am |
re: #572 NJDhockeyfan
Oh jesus christ, dude, have a shred of dignity.
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 10:15:25am |
re: #572 NJDhockeyfan
I thought you were a hockey fan. A fight makes a person a thug?
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 10:15:38am |
Charges filed in Carnahan health care forum fight
Three months after the punches were thrown, a prosecutor in St. Louis County has filed charges against six people in connection with fights outside a congressional forum on health care.
It happened outside a Russ Carnahan town hall meeting, on an August night when the national debate over health care reform was rising like a heat wave before a thunderstorm. Members of the Service Employees International Union clashed with members of the Tea Party.
Now, St. Louis County Counselor Patricia Redington has issued a total of ten charges spread out among six people.
Reached by phone after she left the office for the Thanksgiving holiday, Redington spoke from memory in general terms about the case.
Among those charged, two accused of assault in connection with the beating of Tea Party activist Kenneth Gladney. Gladney had claimed that two men wearing SEIU shirts attacked him as he sat at a table giving away tea party buttons.
Redington could not immediately provide the names of those charged, and she said she did not know whether those charged are members of SEIU.
Thugs.
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 10:17:06am |
re: #577 Walter L. Newton
You can be sure that any Republican that wins anything in the coming elections will be teabagging anti-science theocrats.
Not quite, Walter. The GOP senatorial candidate in my home state of Illinois (Mark Kirk) is in no way a teabagger.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 10:17:51am |
re: #576 Dark_Falcon
I think the problem is that they will face a house divided in themselves— some of them will be actually wanting to do something for the country, and the others will be people who want to impose a wide variety of extremist nonsense, like breaking down the barriers between church and state or returning us to the gold standard.
And now that the GOP has demonstrated how easy obstructionism is, I think that crazy minority is going to hold the GOP hostage.
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RogueOne Mar 13, 2010 10:17:52am |
re: #576 Dark_Falcon
The major hope I have is that winning the House will force the GOP to come up with some ideas of their own, not just reactions to Obama.
If you’re going to take the blame you may as well own it. He should never have left the house and senate leadership in charge of crafting the stimulus package and HCR. He got into the game way too late. If he loses the house or the senate then he’ll be forced to put his plans out front, he certainly won’t let republicans do it on their own.
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Gus Mar 13, 2010 10:17:54am |
Yeah, “it’s all the fault of SEIU.” Pay not attention to what went on during the financial meltdown and on the crap that’s pulled by Wall Street financial firms. Yep, it’s those damn SEIU t-shirt wearing “thugs.” That’s why the economy is such a mess.
(/)
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Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 10:18:06am |
re: #584 Dark_Falcon
Not quite, Walter. The GOP senatorial candidate in my home state of Illinois (Mark Kirk) is in no way a teabagger.
Just wait… will probably turn coat as soon as he is in, if he gets in.
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 10:18:34am |
State Worker Beat Up At SEIU Meeting
A state worker is recovering after a bloody brawl at a union hall. He says members of the local SEIU 1000 beat him up and sent him to the hospital all because he wanted to expose alleged corruption within the union.
Ken Hamidi is a state worker at the California Franchise Tax Board. Last night he walked into a union hall in Sacramento for an SEIU local 1000 meeting.
“We had every right to be here, very simple; it wasn’t anything private or anything exclusive,” said Hamidi.
But Hamidi says the union members did not want him there.
“Three, four people jumped at me, wrestled with me, then did all that,” said Hamidi. “I was covered in blood and then over to the emergency room.”
Thugs.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 10:19:03am |
re: #583 NJDhockeyfan
i wonder why you didn’t see fit to bold the last sentence in that little piece.
You might want to do just a little research on Gladney and his claims, too. I’m feeling generous, so I won’t be posting it myself— consider it a little headsup though.
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webevintage Mar 13, 2010 10:19:54am |
re: #583 NJDhockeyfan
Charges filed in Carnahan health care forum fight
Thugs.
You mean the guy who tripped over his own feet and fell to the ground? That was the night that a local Preacher was attacked by Dick Army Tea Party HCR haters, right?
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Gus Mar 13, 2010 10:20:06am |
Controversial Overtime Rules Take Effect
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE
Published: August 23, 2004
The Bush administration’s new overtime rules go into effect today, but the Kerry campaign has already begun attacking the overhauled regulations, saying they will hurt millions of American workers.
Urging President Bush to scrap the rules, the Kerry campaign and organized labor say the regulations will exempt up to six million additional workers from receiving overtime pay by redefining which workers qualify for time-and-a-half pay when they work more than 40 hours. But the administration asserts that no more than 107,000 workers will lose their eligibility, while 1.3 million workers will gain the right to overtime.
In essence, the hundreds of pages of new rules redefine the criteria for which administrative, professional and managerial workers qualify for overtime, among them nurses, chefs, pharmacists, funeral directors, claims adjusters and restaurant managers.
Thugs.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 10:20:15am |
re: #585 Obdicut
I think the problem is that they will face a house divided in themselves— some of them will be actually wanting to do something for the country, and the others will be people who want to impose a wide variety of extremist nonsense, like breaking down the barriers between church and state or returning us to the gold standard.
And now that the GOP has demonstrated how easy obstructionism is, I think that crazy minority is going to hold the GOP hostage.
Totally agree. Especially your last sentence.
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darthstar Mar 13, 2010 10:20:19am |
I’m off to Costco and then the beach with the dogs…Have a good day all.
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wrenchwench Mar 13, 2010 10:20:38am |
I recently spoke with someone who was an SEIU organizer in the 70’s. He told me about some things they did that were semi-thuggish. Meanwhile, the other side tried more than once to kill him. And he had an FBI file developed on him.
Union organizing and union busting are not for sissies.
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Cato the Elder Mar 13, 2010 10:20:40am |
re: #590 NJDhockeyfan
Thugs.
Of course, the people who shoot up the Pentagon or fly planes into IRS buildings aren’t thugs.
Or wait - they are. Dangerous deranged deluded leftist thugs.
No thuggery to be seen on the right.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 10:22:06am |
Two more trade unionists, Gustavo Gómez and Mauricio Antonio Monsalve Vásquez, were assassinated in Colombia this week, bringing the total of trade unionists assassinated in Colombia since January 2009 to 27. The trade union movement has urged the authorities to do whatever is necessary to put an end to the bloodshed.
Thugs.
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Gus Mar 13, 2010 10:23:06am |
Conservative Lawmakers Shaft Mine Safety
31 coal miners have died on job this year, compared with 22 deaths in all of 2005. The House is set to take up the Senate-passed mine safety bill, but conservative lawmakers are resisting inserting three amendments offered by Rep. George Miller (D-CA) that would strengthen workplace safety for miners:
– Require the Federal Mine Safety and Health Administration to randomly check self-rescuer devices upon which miners’ lives depend in an emergency to ensure they are in working order;
– Provide that the air stored underground for trapped miners under the Senate legislation last for a minimum of 48 hours through a chamber or cache; and
– Provide that communication and tracking devices required under the Senate legislation be required in 15 months rather than the 3 years specified.
Thugs.
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NJDhockeyfan Mar 13, 2010 10:25:19am |
Up to six busloads of Service Employees International Union (SEIU) organizers and members started a scrum inside the lobby of a hotel holding the Labor Notes Conference in Dearborn, Mich., on April 12. Labor Notes is a monthly progressive and union democracy journal. The SEIU group wanted to disrupt the banquet hall dinner where California Nurses Association (CNA) leaders, who SEIU accuses of busting an Ohio union drive, addressed 800 conference participants from various unions.
“They [SEIU protestors] were banging on the doors like a marching band base drum. Real quick they rushed through the door,” said Roland Day, a unionized dockworker from Baltimore.
In the lobby, Day said that he and dozens of other conference participants formed a human chain in the attempt to stop the SEIU rush, but ended up clashing with organizers Frank Hornick and Rachel Holland who were accompanied by a horde, hundreds thick, of purple t-shirt-clad SEIU protestors.
“I tried to stop the big guy and was holding him back with all I had,” Day said.
Hornick, the 6’4” son of miner, said he had worked on the three-year campaign to organize more than 8,000 healthcare workers at Ohio based Catholic Healthcare Partners (CHP) facilities. He explained how CNA organizers had descended on the campaign’s March 2008 culmination to encourage nurses and other workers to vote against affiliating with the SEIU. The election was cancelled before going to a vote. The CNA has begun to organize nurses nationally, competing with SEIU for members.
“Our intent was to educate the conference; they knew what we were there for,” Hornick said. Holland, a petit 5’4”, told The Indypendent she sustained hand cuts and was “football tackled” by a conference participant and that SEIU’s goal was to “draw to light union-busting by unions.”
Things quickly got out of control in the lobby, as fliers spilled to the floor and a cacophony of chants, noisemakers and screams ensued from the SEIU group’s push towards the banquet doors.
“SEIU should hold their head in shame. Some of their people had purple bandanas over their face like the anarchists at WTO protests,” said Frank Halstead, a California Teamster.
In the midst of the donnybrook, retired union member Dianne Feeley was shoved to the floor by a SEIU member and hit her head on a the end of a table requiring stitches.
“I don’t feel the person did it on purpose,” Feeley said. Feeley commented she didn’t think many in the SEIU crowd knew they were protesting at a labor solidarity conference.
Thugs.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Mar 13, 2010 10:27:53am |
This has probably already been discussed, but:
The Texas SBOE removed mention of the involvement of Tejanos at the siege of the Alamo mission.
At some point, this bullshit ceased to be funny to me. It’s only going to get worse, in no small part because Rick Perry is probably going to continue to succeed in his quest to be Governor for Life. Arrg.
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Stanley Sea Mar 13, 2010 10:29:07am |
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Cato the Elder Mar 13, 2010 10:29:26am |
re: #606 Gus 802
I guess it’s anti-SEIU spam day.
Which translates as “refuse to let the maid who makes up your luxury hotel bed earn a living wage” day.
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jaunte Mar 13, 2010 10:29:37am |
re: #605 negativ
This has probably already been discussed, but:
The Texas SBOE removed mention of the involvement of Tejanos at the siege of the Alamo mission.
Thugs. They won’t make Juan Seguin disappear.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 10:29:42am |
A little more bad news for Stupak:
According to the National Catholic Reporter, Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, a Washington-based advocacy group, sent a letter to members of Congress on Friday urging support for the Senate-passed health care bill and expressing its view that the bill contains sufficient provisions to prevent the use of federal money to pay for insurance coverage of abortions.Indeed, there’s a lot of this going around.
Twenty-five evangelical and Catholic leaders wrote members of Congress March 11 urging them not to let a dispute over abortion derail passage of health-care reform.
Some pro-life Democrats have said they will vote against President Obama’s proposed overhaul of health care unless language restricting the use of federal dollars for abortion is strengthened.
The religious readers, however, said they believe the legislation not only maintains long-standing restrictions on federal funding of abortion, but also provides new support for vulnerable pregnant women that could actually reduce the number of abortions.
“As Christians committed to a consistent ethic of life and deeply concerned with the health and well-being of all people, we want to see health-care reform enacted,” the leaders said.
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Gus Mar 13, 2010 10:31:12am |
re: #608 Cato the Elder
Which translates as “refuse to let the maid who makes up your luxury hotel bed earn a living wage” day.
Another case of false association perhaps. People thinking they some day might win the lottery and become another Hilton Hotel magnate.
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Walter L. Newton Mar 13, 2010 10:32:44am |
re: #610 iceweasel
A little more bad news for Stupak:
How can a 501(c)(3) religious organization inject itself into politics this way?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Mar 13, 2010 10:33:04am |
re: #613 Gus 802
Another case of false association perhaps. People thinking they some day might win the lottery and become another Hilton Hotel magnate.
Thugs.
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Gus Mar 13, 2010 10:33:30am |
re: #612 iceweasel
Thugs./
Yeah, all of those union members should be “real American patriots” and quit their jobs for lower pay to help increase profits for the corporations who in turn will return the favor by trickling down their profits to the masses.
/
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 10:34:07am |
re: #605 negativ
This has probably already been discussed, but:
The Texas SBOE removed mention of the involvement of Tejanos at the siege of the Alamo mission.At some point, this bullshit ceased to be funny to me. It’s only going to get worse, in no small part because Rick Perry is probably going to continue to succeed in his quest to be Governor for Life. Arrg.
that’s criminal…it’s legal deceit and brazen bigotry…Hispanios should be outraged…and further what about Travis’s BLACK SLAVE!….loyal Joe fought and survived…will he be included in the erasure?….pisses me off
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Mar 13, 2010 10:34:18am |
re: #605 negativ
Well, they didn’t remove it, they just blocked the amendment that would have finally actually mentioned the Tejanos.
It’s still fucking obviously white-surpremacisty, given their reasoning for opposing it.
Pat Hardy, R-Fort Worth, questioned the need for the requirement, noting that no Hispanics were considered leaders at the Alamo.
I would think it’d be fucking relevant to mention that the conflict was not fought along ethnic lines. It shows the egalitarian nature of the United States.
That the Tejanos weren’t ‘considered’ leaders seems kind of besides the historical point of their presence there.
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swamprat Mar 13, 2010 10:38:21am |
Unions are a mixed bag. And yes, some have been thuggish. They also brought us child labor restrictions, and have fought for fair wages for women. But we do not live in a sugar-cookie, candy-cane, garden world. There have been abuses on both sides.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 10:38:38am |
re: #616 Gus 802
Yeah, all of those union members should be “real American patriots” and quit their jobs for lower pay to help increase profits for the corporations who in turn will return the favor by trickling down their profits to the masses.
/
Semi-related: two good pieces on conservatism today as the politics of ressentiment.
from the top one:
The central thing here isn’t the vanishing of truth as a criteria so much as it is the disappearance of any kind of meaningful political agenda at all. Instead there’s this love of Palin as a kind of martyr/tormentor figure who exists to drive liberals batty and be the subject of our putatively unfair persecution, with nonsensical defenses of her becoming all the more meritorious for the fact that they drive liberals even battier.This is actually just what makes it so hard to take a lot of conservative opposition to the health care bill seriously. You get the sense that if President Mitt Romney were poised to sign a bill agreed to by Chuck Grassley and Max Baucus to provide tax credits to subsidize the purchase of private health insurance, while Bernie Sanders complained about the lack of public option that Palin fans would be hailing Romney—he may not be very conservative, but he sure knows how to make Jane Hamsher’s head explode!
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Lidane Mar 13, 2010 10:39:11am |
re: #605 negativ
This has probably already been discussed, but:
The Texas SBOE removed mention of the involvement of Tejanos at the siege of the Alamo mission.
I’d rage about this, but I’d end up getting myself banned and I like it here.
The kindest thing I’ll say is that these people can go fuck themselves sideways with a 2x4, no kiss, and no lube.
At some point, this bullshit ceased to be funny to me. It’s only going to get worse, in no small part because Rick Perry is probably going to continue to succeed in his quest to be Governor for Life. Arrg.
Speaking as a Tejano, since I was born here and my family’s been here in Texas for centuries, I’m beyond pissed. Shit like this has never been funny. Ever. It’s rage inducing.
Sadly, the Democrats around here suck. I have some small hope for Bill White, but my guess is that Perry will be in office until he retires or resigns. *sigh*
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goddamnedfrank Mar 13, 2010 10:41:37am |
re: #614 Walter L. Newton
How can a 501(c)(3) religious organization inject itself into politics this way?
You mean how dare they write letters to members of Congress? Really? Also, you may have missed it, but the CLDS set the religious political test bar pretty low when they funded prop 8 in California.
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 10:43:31am |
re: #618 Obdicut
Well, they didn’t remove it, they just blocked the amendment that would have finally actually mentioned the Tejanos.
It’s still fucking obviously white-surpremacisty, given their reasoning for opposing it.
I would think it’d be fucking relevant to mention that the conflict was not fought along ethnic lines. It shows the egalitarian nature of the United States.
That the Tejanos weren’t ‘considered’ leaders seems kind of besides the historical point of their presence there.
the Alamo defenders were as diverse as the Texas population itself…those guys represented every sort of ethnic possibility at the time…and afterward it was Tejano scouts that kept track of Santa Anna while Houston eluded him…and they fought like tigers at San Jacinto…absolute loyalty to the revolution
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 10:45:46am |
re: #622 swamprat
Bowie was no saint. Pro slavery.
I know all about Bowie…what’s the point?…he didn’t fight at the end anyway, he was simply murdered where he laid
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Gus Mar 13, 2010 10:48:05am |
re: #620 iceweasel
The True Slant article is called, The Politics of Ressentiment. There’s a very good line from the Wiki entry on ressentiment:
The ego creates an enemy in order to insulate itself from culpability.
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webevintage Mar 13, 2010 10:50:38am |
Once again Beck proves he is a moron:
huffingtonpost.com
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swamprat Mar 13, 2010 10:51:14am |
re: #625 albusteve
I know all about Bowie…what’s the point?…he didn’t fight at the end anyway, he was simply murdered where he laid
They can mention bowie, but they want to leave out the “tejanos”. That is the “point”.
Bowie= “leader” and therefore worthy of mention.
Tejanos= zip
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Mar 13, 2010 10:51:53am |
re: #618 Obdicut
Well, they didn’t remove it, they just blocked the amendment that would have finally actually mentioned the Tejanos.
It’s still fucking obviously white-surpremacisty, given their reasoning for opposing it.
I would think it’d be fucking relevant to mention that the conflict was not fought along ethnic lines. It shows the egalitarian nature of the United States.
That the Tejanos weren’t ‘considered’ leaders seems kind of besides the historical point of their presence there.
How about the rest of that quote:
“They were just among the other people who died at the Alamo. It would be awkward to say that teachers and students should identify people who died at the Alamo,” she said.
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
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Dark_Falcon Mar 13, 2010 10:51:54am |
re: #625 albusteve
I know all about Bowie…what’s the point?…he didn’t fight at the end anyway, he was simply murdered where he laid
He had refused to surrender when summoned to do so. Under the rules concerning forts, that made him liable to be killed out of hand. Actually, at one time that rule had extended to everyone within the fort, though by the time of the Alamo it had been updated to exclude women and children as liable to death.
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iceweasel Mar 13, 2010 10:54:26am |
re: #626 Gus 802
The True Slant article is called, The Politics of Ressentiment. There’s a very good line from the Wiki entry on ressentiment:
The ego creates an enemy in order to insulate itself from culpability.
That whole paragraph in wiki is pretty great:
Ressentiment is a sense of resentment and hostility directed at that which one identifies as the cause of one’s frustration, an assignation of blame for one’s frustration. The sense of weakness or inferiority and perhaps jealousy in the face of the “cause” generates a rejecting/justifying value system, or morality, which attacks or denies the perceived source of one’s frustration. The ego creates an enemy in order to insulate itself from culpability.
I thought the Sanchez article in T/S was great. I didn’t realise he wrote there. One of his undergrad majors was philosophy, so he knows the deal.
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 10:55:12am |
re: #629 swamprat
They can mention bowie, but they want to leave out the “tejanos”. That is the “point”.
Bowie= “leader” and therefore worthy of mention.
Tejanos= zip
right..I’m looking at the total picture, picking and choosing…it really sucks
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Mar 13, 2010 10:57:11am |
re: #386 Cato the Elder
Evil trio alert!
Rose, since you’re having a conversation all by yourself over there (one post and three comments, all by you), let me point out what you’ve always been too thick to grasp: the line between sycophant and stalker is a fine one. Neither contributes anything to a blog discussion. The one just praises and expects pats on the head, while the other gets angry without proper care and attention. They can morph back and forth into each other. Which you have now done.
You would know that if you had more self-awareness and intellectual penetration than a stick of butter trying to carve itself into a knife…
Rose is an attention seeker. The only thing she seemed to post about here was herself - all her ‘battles with stalkers’ - ostensibly about defending LGF - were in the end just an attempt to create a ‘role’ for herself that was ‘important’. Anyone who happened to be getting more attention than she did became her ‘enemy’. And when her demands to have her ‘enemies’ banned from the site were ignored, she went into full meltdown mode.
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Lidane Mar 13, 2010 10:57:24am |
re: #618 Obdicut
That the Tejanos weren’t ‘considered’ leaders seems kind of besides the historical point of their presence there.
What’s particularly galling about the omission isn’t just that.
José Antonio Navarro, who was one of the Tejanos that died, was also one of the three Tejanos that signed the Texas Declaration of Independence. Ignoring him entirely is retarded.
This shouldn’t even be an issue. They were there. They died defending the Alamo. They should be recognized. Period.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Mar 13, 2010 10:58:22am |
re: #621 Lidane
Sadly, the Democrats around here suck. I have some small hope for Bill White, but my guess is that Perry will be in office until he retires or resigns. *sigh*
Bill White seems intelligent and honest, and therefore has no place in modern Texas politics.
All our energy problems would be solved if they’d somehow thought to bury Stephen F. Austin wrapped in copper and surrounded by magnets.
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albusteve Mar 13, 2010 10:59:33am |
re: #631 Dark_Falcon
He had refused to surrender when summoned to do so. Under the rules concerning forts, that made him liable to be killed out of hand. Actually, at one time that rule had extended to everyone within the fort, though by the time of the Alamo it had been updated to exclude women and children as liable to death.
Santa Anna made his own rules…not sure I understand what you are getting at…he posted the red flag in the church bell tower…no prisoners…and it is widely excepted that there were indeed a few survivors, 8 or 12?…they were summarily executed as well….there was never any question of surrender
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swamprat Mar 13, 2010 11:00:16am |
re: #635 Lidane
José Antonio Navarro, who was one of the Tejanos that died, was also one of the three Tejanos that signed the Texas Declaration of Independence.
But he wasn’t a “leader”.
It is starting to become obvious that they really mean “Anglo”.
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What, me worry? Mar 13, 2010 11:00:19am |
re: #628 webevintage
Once again Beck proves he is a moron:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
I’ve changed my mind. Beck is indeed a constant source of entertainment.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Mar 13, 2010 11:03:27am |
Ha. The “Frank Says” Zappa quote widget is currently showing me:
Let’s just admit that public education is mediocre at best.
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Mar 13, 2010 11:10:13am |
re: #521 Charles
That’s pretty sad. She’s actually whining about having her account blocked — after the kinds of things she’s been posting about me? What planet do these people live on, where they can say the most vicious things, send hate mail, accuse me publicly of all kinds of nastiness — and then expect me to leave their accounts open?
Pathetic.
Not only that, but her account of her issues with LGF makes no sense whatsoever. She is now trying to say that she only disagreed with a few bannings - yet on the strength of that she calls this site an ‘asylum’, and you ‘delusional’?
As I recall, the banning she was most upset about was that of bs monkey. Yep - that’s her idea of someone who ‘treated LGF with kindness and respect’. And she thinks of herself as a ‘moderate’ - what a joke.
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Lidane Mar 13, 2010 11:36:15am |
re: #636 negativ
Bill White seems intelligent and honest, and therefore has no place in modern Texas politics.
Ain’t that the truth.
All our energy problems would be solved if they’d somehow thought to bury Stephen F. Austin wrapped in copper and surrounded by magnets.
Or if we used Rick Perry’s hair products and sleaze as energy sources. =P
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Lidane Mar 13, 2010 11:37:16am |
re: #638 swamprat
It is starting to become obvious that they really mean “Anglo”.
That’s been obvious from the beginning.
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ryannon Mar 13, 2010 12:36:17pm |
re: #580 Cato the Elder
Upding for having the brass balls to keep your Allah-piss avatar. The stalkers over at the BBC heart you, too!
Did it ever occur to you just to change the word to “Hamas” or somehin’?
I want one with the two guys pissing on each other. Not that I’m into that sort of thing, but I’ll call one ‘Mandy’ and the other ‘Cato’.
(My Photoshop skills are nil, so if anyone who wants to ‘steal’ the idea, you’re welcome to it.)
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They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
