1 | Daniel Ballard Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:11:10pm |
Cool. Ethical. Calm. Underspoken. Love the Silver Surfer. A superhero a Buddhist can get into.
2 | Kronocide Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:11:13pm |
I think comic books should be taught in public schools. Children need to see both sides of every issue.
3 | reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:14:28pm |
This is an amazing collection, in amazing condition.
4 | ryannon Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:17:07pm |
re: #2 BigPapa
I think comic books should be taught in public schools. Children need to see both sides of every issue.
This is what I often saw on the other side of my latest issue.
I grew up feeling inadequate.
6 | ryannon Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:18:08pm |
7 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:19:45pm |
This makes me laugh, every time Charles posts it!
"Click to embiggen…"
8 | ryannon Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:20:25pm |
More immortal comic book ads
[Link: wheezersociety.blogs.com...]
9 | Racer X Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:22:23pm |
10 | ryannon Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:22:57pm |
What kid could resist this crap? What kind of adult could even conceive of it?
11 | reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:25:44pm |
12 | Kronocide Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:27:08pm |
I have given you all an Amish Computer virus. Since they do not allow electricity and work on a firm honor system, please delete all your files.
13 | reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:27:23pm |
re: #10 ryannon
What kid could resist this crap? What kind of adult could even conceive of it?
Peace Ring.
Ugly Blackheads out in Seconds!
Hercules Wrist Band
Midget Spy Camera.
Oh heck, look at me.
I'm supposed to be ignoring you.
14 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:28:07pm |
re: #13 reine.de.tout
Peace Ring.
Ugly Blackheads out in Seconds!
Hercules Wrist Band
Midget Spy Camera.Oh heck, look at me.
I'm supposed to be ignoring you.
X-ray glasses!
15 | Kronocide Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:28:53pm |
re: #11 reine.de.tout
HEY!
Good to see you around!
You've been scarce.
Busy?
Freekin busy. I quit the evil empire Friday then start my own biz, been planning and scheming.
16 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:29:27pm |
re: #12 BigPapa
I have given you all an Amish Computer virus. Since they do not allow electricity and work on a firm honor system, please delete all your files.
Yes, well, as we said at my former place of employment..
"I'll get on it right away!"
18 | reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:29:43pm |
re: #15 BigPapa
Freekin busy. I quit the evil empire Friday then start my own biz, been planning and scheming.
Good for you!
Best of luck, I hope it works out to be spectacular!
19 | reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:30:00pm |
re: #16 Floral Giraffe
Yes, well, as we said at my former place of employment..
"I'll get on it right away!"
followed by:
*snicker*
20 | simoom Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:30:09pm |
re: #7 Floral Giraffe
"Click to embiggen…"
My regular LCD is briefly away for warranty replacement so I'm using an old 19" CRT running at a resolution of 1024x768. So when I click to embiggen it actually gets smaller :P.
To see the full-sized image I opened it in another tab.
21 | Kronocide Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:30:11pm |
Did you hear about the Amish prostitue?
She did 10 men-o-nite.
22 | albusteve Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:30:57pm |
re: #15 BigPapa
Freekin busy. I quit the evil empire Friday then start my own biz, been planning and scheming.
good for you...your own thing is always better than someone else's....it's the American way
23 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:31:42pm |
re: #19 reine.de.tout
Nope, everyone knew it meant
"when pigs fly".
SO it was just ignored.
Well, except by the boss.
But she'd just forget, if you ignored it for a week.
(Best part about working for a Ditz? She'd forget!)
25 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:32:09pm |
re: #20 simoom
My regular LCD is briefly away for warranty replacement so I'm using an old 19" CRT running at a resolution of 1024x768. So when I click to embiggen it actually gets smaller :P.
To see the full-sized image I opened it in another tab.
You Embiggened!
Good for you!
LOL!
26 | Bagua Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:32:45pm |
re: #10 ryannon
What kid could resist this crap? What kind of adult could even conceive of it?
Ha! I still remember my disappointment when my submarine arrived and it turned out to be made of cardboard. I had planned a trip to California to visit a friend, starting from the East coast.
27 | reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:34:50pm |
re: #26 Bagua
Ha! I still remember my disappointment when my submarine arrived and it turned out to be made of cardboard. I had planned a trip to California to visit a friend, starting from the East coast.
One of my brothers ordered some sort of something that was supposed to somehow build muscle. I can't recall what it was, I just recall finding out he ordered it and feeling sorry for the poor skinny kid that he wanted to build his muscles. Weird.
28 | Irenicum Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:36:09pm |
re: #26 Bagua
Hey Bagua, thanks for the Lightning Hopkins. Love it!
29 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:36:30pm |
re: #26 Bagua
Ha! I still remember my disappointment when my submarine arrived and it turned out to be made of cardboard. I had planned a trip to California to visit a friend, starting from the East coast.
ARE YOU DISCRIMINATING AGAINST CARDBOARD?
Fascist!
LOL!
Hi Bagua!
30 | Irenicum Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:42:35pm |
Well, it's late and another busy tomorrow beckons. G'nite lizards!
31 | bagua Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:43:00pm |
re: #29 Floral Giraffe
Hi sweetheart. I lived near the ocean so I knew right away I'd been conned as cardboard makes a lousy boat. Even the periscope sucked, flimsy plastic thing. My best friend had moved to California so it was an important project for me to get out there and see him. Amazing I still feel disappointed and angry after 40 years...
32 | reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:43:18pm |
re: #30 Irenicum
Well, it's late and another busy tomorrow beckons. G'nite lizards!
Good night!
Tomorrow is another day (better, too, we all hope)
33 | bagua Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:44:21pm |
re: #30 Irenicum
Well, it's late and another busy tomorrow beckons. G'nite lizards!
Wait! One more for you my friend, something precious.
34 | reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:48:01pm |
re: #23 Floral Giraffe
Nope, everyone knew it meant
"when pigs fly".
SO it was just ignored.
Well, except by the boss.
But she'd just forget, if you ignored it for a week.
(Best part about working for a Ditz? She'd forget!)
At my workplace, that's what *snicker* meant.
35 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 9:56:12pm |
re: #31 bagua
Hi sweetheart. I lived near the ocean so I knew right away I'd been conned as cardboard makes a lousy boat. Even the periscope sucked, flimsy plastic thing. My best friend had moved to California so it was an important project for me to get out there and see him. Amazing I still feel disappointed and angry after 40 years...
You could take a short & very sweet vacation...
And, bonus silly fact, Catalina Island protects LA from the chance of a Tsunami wave. Also, Zane Grey was based on Catalina. Big time Swordfisherman!
Nice to "see" you here!
36 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:03:57pm |
Chicago shooter: 'Too bad I ran out of bullets'
Three children and an adult were killed early this morning in Chicago’s Marquette Park neighborhood, and a relative from Madison, Wis., whom police believe was the shooter was later taken into custody.
Sources said the shooter told police “Allah” had told him to kill his family.
And he told the officer who arrested him, "Too bad I ran out of bullets," a source told the Chicago Sun-Times.
The dead included a woman believed to be the pregnant wife of the shooter; 16-year-old Keyshai Fields, who was four months pregnant; a 3-year-old girl named Keleasha Larry; and a 7-month-old boy who was the shooter's son, according to law enforcement officials and family members.
Family members said the dead 7-month-old was named Jihad.
Jihad is an Arabic word with multiple meanings, including holy war, striving in the way of Allah and struggle.
About an hour and a half after the shootings, police arrested a 32-year-old man at South Racine and West 59th.
ROPMA!
37 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:09:44pm |
re: #36 NJDhockeyfan
Chicago shooter: 'Too bad I ran out of bullets'
Three children and an adult were killed early this morning in Chicago’s Marquette Park neighborhood, and a relative from Madison, Wis., whom police believe was the shooter was later taken into custody.
Sources said the shooter told police “Allah” had told him to kill his family.
And he told the officer who arrested him, "Too bad I ran out of bullets," a source told the Chicago Sun-Times.
ROPMA!
Oh my God.
(And non-Muslims never, ever, shoot their wives and children. What an exotic crime.)
How's that for a balance between horror and snark?
38 | albusteve Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:12:14pm |
re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh my God.
(And non-Muslims never, ever, shoot their wives and children. What an exotic crime.)
How's that for a balance between horror and snark?
jihadis do seem to be particularly blood thirsty...but you're right, we have Bloods and Crips, the Mafia and the anti abortion crowd....America is a violent place
39 | freetoken Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:12:58pm |
re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah... I wonder, of all the violent crimes in which the perp claims "God" told him to do it, do we now suspect all of them as being part of some major religious war offensive?
40 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:14:15pm |
BTW, what do folks make of this?
My first, oh-Lord-I'm-going-to-the-special-hell thought was to wonder if, if I 'adopt' a lady in Burkina Faso's clitoris, will they send me a picture of the clitoris, and periodic updates on how it's doing?
That's what they did when I 'adopted' the manatee. And the timberwolf. And the cute little kid from an impoverished Appalachian community.
(This organization seems slightly off to me as well as Caille Millner.)
41 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:15:16pm |
re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh my God.
(And non-Muslims never, ever, shoot their wives and children. What an exotic crime.)
How's that for a balance between horror and snark?
I was trying to put my finger on that. It's not uncommon to hear criminals claim that "God made me do it" and it's not specific to any particular religion in the US.
42 | albusteve Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:15:30pm |
re: #39 freetoken
Yeah... I wonder, of all the violent crimes in which the perp claims "God" told him to do it, do we now suspect all of them as being part of some major religious war offensive?
we need more perspective...do Catholics kill people? or Baptists?
43 | Velvet Elvis Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:16:16pm |
re: #38 albusteve
jihadis do seem to be particularly blood thirsty...but you're right, we have Bloods and Crips, the Mafia and the anti abortion crowd...America is a violent place
I don't think any religious group has a monopoly on domestic violence.
44 | albusteve Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:17:10pm |
re: #41 Gus 802
I was trying to put my finger on that. It's not uncommon to hear criminals claim that "God made me do it" and it's not specific to any particular religion in the US.
god dictates everything in the Muslim world...you seem a bit behind the curve or am I just another bigot?
45 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:17:28pm |
re: #38 albusteve
jihadis do seem to be particularly blood thirsty...but you're right, we have Bloods and Crips, the Mafia and the anti abortion crowd...America is a violent place
Even beyond that, a man shooting his wife and children is a horrifically common crime. Google variations on the phrase, and prepare to be really, really sad.
46 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:18:13pm |
re: #14 NJDhockeyfan
X-ray glasses!
Which my mother would never let me order. I think she was secretly afraid they might work.
Had to get off on looking at lingerie ads, instead.
47 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:18:56pm |
re: #42 albusteve
we need more perspective...do Catholics kill people? or Baptists?
Fathers and husbands kill. A lot.
48 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:19:44pm |
re: #46 Cato the Elder
Which my mother would never let me order. I think she was secretly afraid they might work.
Had to get off on looking at lingerie ads, instead.
There you are!
You know how you were complaining about not enough poetry in lyrics?
49 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:20:45pm |
re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, what do folks make of this?
My first, oh-Lord-I'm-going-to-the-special-hell thought was to wonder if, if I 'adopt' a lady in Burkina Faso's clitoris, will they send me a picture of the clitoris, and periodic updates on how it's doing?
That's what they did when I 'adopted' the manatee. And the timberwolf. And the cute little kid from an impoverished Appalachian community.
(This organization seems slightly off to me as well as Caille Millner.)
I'm sorry if this seems cruel, but that's just F'ing funny.
Almost worth whatever the price is, to "save" her clitoris!
I am just beyond words.
51 | albusteve Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:20:53pm |
re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist
Even beyond that, a man shooting his wife and children is a horrifically common crime. Google variations on the phrase, and prepare to be really, really sad.
I can't...I cannot grieve for every death...strangers come and go and die by all sorts of means...I'm sorry for it but otherwise unmoved, in other words I'm not gonna get really, really sad....a bummer is a bummer
52 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:21:23pm |
re: #36 NJDhockeyfan
Chicago shooter: 'Too bad I ran out of bullets'
Three children and an adult were killed early this morning in Chicago’s Marquette Park neighborhood, and a relative from Madison, Wis., whom police believe was the shooter was later taken into custody.
Sources said the shooter told police “Allah” had told him to kill his family.
And he told the officer who arrested him, "Too bad I ran out of bullets," a source told the Chicago Sun-Times.
ROPMA!
Good thing Christians never wig out and kill their whole families.
53 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:21:42pm |
re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist
that's the worst google search of all time.
Okay, "harlequin baby" is a worse one, but that's pretty bad!
54 | albusteve Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:21:49pm |
re: #46 Cato the Elder
Which my mother would never let me order. I think she was secretly afraid they might work.
Had to get off on looking at lingerie ads, instead.
aha!...you fucking kook
55 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:22:10pm |
And, how is Cato tonight?
And the pupperdog?
56 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:22:44pm |
57 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:22:48pm |
re: #53 windupbird
that's the worst google search of all time.
Okay, "harlequin baby" is a worse one, but that's pretty bad!
And I had to Google that, didn't I? So that's what the seventh block study hall was trying to show me.
58 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:23:23pm |
re: #44 albusteve
god dictates everything in the Muslim world...you seem a bit behind the curve or am I just another bigot?
Doesn't apply in this case. That is I seriously doubt he could point to anything in the Koran that would justify killing his entire family including a friend. It's just another case of a lunatic using his religion as an excuse for his crime which like I said before is not uncommon. If these perps aren't claiming a religion they're also "hearing voices."
No, I don't think you're a bigot. I don't agree but I can understand your concern.
59 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:23:34pm |
re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist
And I had to Google that, didn't I? So that's what the seventh block study hall was trying to show me.
Thank you for saving me from looking that up.
WHATEVER it is!
60 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:23:42pm |
Goddamn stupid tragedy. What the hell was a sixteen-year-old girl doing being married anyway, let alone to a psycho?
61 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:24:18pm |
re: #59 Floral Giraffe
Thank you for saving me from looking that up.
WHATEVER it is!
Yeah. Don't google it. It seems to be some kind of horrific medical thing.
62 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:24:37pm |
re: #59 Floral Giraffe
Thank you for saving me from looking that up.
WHATEVER it is!
DON'T DO IT IT IS GRUESOME
(Google "chakat" instead, at least that's funny)
63 | albusteve Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:25:19pm |
re: #56 Floral Giraffe
Isn't that the point of lingerine ads?
*confused*
it's the only time I actually LOL...Cato's posts...he's threatened to come to NM but I'd be worried I'd be wearing the wrong shirt
64 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:25:24pm |
re: #55 Floral Giraffe
And, how is Cato tonight?
And the pupperdog?
Cato is on a reading binge. Tonight's book: the original "Scarlet Pimpernel". I'm rolling on the floor, or rather in the bed, laughing.
Puppers is out of sorts because if I roll to much he has to shift position.
66 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:27:15pm |
re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. Don't google it. It seems to be some kind of horrific medical thing.
There's (SADLY) just so much info out there, that real people are having to deal with, yet, I just do NOT want to know about. Call me selfish, BUT! I don't need to know about a lot of the illness out there.
67 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:28:18pm |
"Shot his computer" yields some funny hits!
68 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:28:23pm |
re: #66 Floral Giraffe
There's (SADLY) just so much info out there, that real people are having to deal with, yet, I just do NOT want to know about. Call me selfish, BUT! I don't need to know about a lot of the illness out there.
One of the troubles of the modern world is that it's easier to find out about the troubles of the modern world than ever before.
You just can't know about everything and stay sane.
69 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:28:32pm |
70 | windsagio Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:29:50pm |
re: #67 WindUpBird
or if you're oldschool: Shot his TV
re: #69 WindUpBird
No worries. Got lucky once :P
71 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:29:56pm |
re: #64 Cato the Elder
You just pay attention & be nice to that dog. Mr. Cato. Or the dear pup can come to live in LA. And, no one will assault him in my neighborhood.
LOL! Hope you are well? You old Roman.
72 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:30:40pm |
re: #67 WindUpBird
"Shot his computer" yields some funny hits!
I once threw a teevee off the roof of a high-rise, but I swear it was legal at the time.
73 | Kruk Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:31:03pm |
re: #67 WindUpBird
"Shot his computer" yields some funny hits!
Heh. Why would anyone do that when they can CRTL-ALT-DELTE? Or, if you're really stuck, just unplug the battery on the laptop.
74 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:31:13pm |
75 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:31:46pm |
re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist
One of the troubles of the modern world is that it's easier to find out about the troubles of the modern world than ever before.
You just can't know about everything and stay sane.
Indeed. One of the points Colbert made to the Wikileaks guy. "What about my right not to know?"
76 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:32:54pm |
Interesting statement on FSTDT:
[re: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's]
That statement shows to me Jesus had a sense of humor.
What belongs to Caesar?
It was like Jesus was saying, render nothing to Caesar, because nothing belongs to Caesar.
77 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:33:29pm |
By the way, when I saw the title of tonight's comic before looking at the cover, my first thought was of the Silver Surfer doing battle with an ugly resurrected Nazi-era Volkswagen car that just refuses to die...
78 | Velvet Elvis Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:33:58pm |
Jackie & Dunlap on the creation museum:
80 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:34:48pm |
re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist
Interesting statement on FSTDT:
[re: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's]
That statement shows to me Jesus had a sense of humor.
What belongs to Caesar?
It was like Jesus was saying, render nothing to Caesar, because nothing belongs to Caesar.
Nothing belonged to Caesar except the entire Mediterranean and all its surrounding lands, that is...
81 | albusteve Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:35:09pm |
re: #72 Cato the Elder
I once threw a teevee off the roof of a high-rise, but I swear it was legal at the time.
you actually lived in Detroit?...did you hit the guy?
82 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:36:09pm |
re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist
One of the troubles of the modern world is that it's easier to find out about the troubles of the modern world than ever before.
You just can't know about everything and stay sane.
Ah the olden days of spending hours at the library reading through 1000s of feet of microfiche or referencing periodical lists. Then when you found what you needed you dropped a dime into the machine to make an electrostatic copy. The other half of that scheme was using the old Funk and Funk & Wagnalls encyclopedia for reference.
83 | albusteve Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:37:11pm |
re: #77 Cato the Elder
By the way, when I saw the title of tonight's comic before looking at the cover, my first thought was of the Silver Surfer doing battle with an ugly resurrected Nazi-era Volkswagen car that just refuses to die...
the attack of the Nazi Chicanos!....they almost killed my Type 3
84 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:37:57pm |
And, from Free Conservatives, our thought of the night:
And in Scrooge, I always felt bad for Ebeneezer. The welfare bums wanted a piece of him, but Scrooge was a total badass. He had good traits. He was frugal, hard working and innovative. Its too bad he softened up in that classic. The lefties and the ghosts denutted him and made him their little state bitch, a slave of the poor, guilting the poor bastard to death of his estate. The writer/director had everything upside down in that movie. The lazy asses converted Scrooge. Why couldn't Scrooge have influenced the lazy asses?
85 | Kruk Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:39:27pm |
re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist
And, from Free Conservatives, our thought of the night:
And in Scrooge, I always felt bad for Ebeneezer. The welfare bums wanted a piece of him, but Scrooge was a total badass. He had good traits. He was frugal, hard working and innovative. Its too bad he softened up in that classic. The lefties and the ghosts denutted him and made him their little state bitch, a slave of the poor, guilting the poor bastard to death of his estate. The writer/director had everything upside down in that movie. The lazy asses converted Scrooge. Why couldn't Scrooge have influenced the lazy asses?
Heh. I'd call that a radical interpretation of the text.
(Bonus Marks to anyone who gets that one.)
86 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:39:44pm |
87 | albusteve Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:40:27pm |
88 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:41:45pm |
Let's bring back the good old days of manual type setting.
One. Letter. At. A. Time.
/
89 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:42:00pm |
re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist
Yep. Bob Cratchit was a welfare bum.
It's depressing to think that these people are serious.
90 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:43:07pm |
re: #88 Gus 802
Let's bring back the good old days of manual type setting.
One. Letter. At. A. Time.
/
I've done that.
91 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:45:08pm |
re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist
I've done that.
I either did that in junior high or high school. Nothing too complicated.
92 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:45:17pm |
re: #88 Gus 802
Let's bring back the good old days of manual type setting.
One. Letter. At. A. Time.
/
No need for the sarc tag. It is a thriving art form, and people are still doing some amazing things with it.
My 29-volume 1911 edition of the Encyc. Brit. was done that way, twice. Once in the regular encyclopedia format, and again in the "handy volume edition" in mostly six-point type. One letter at a time, with tables, mathematical formulae, and multitudes of quotes in foreign languages. And there are far fewer errors per page than in almost any modern book you'd care to examine and compare with it.
93 | albusteve Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:47:06pm |
I'm out like Herb Siler....
a four round tomato can
94 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:48:50pm |
re: #93 albusteve
The founder of...
Yes, you guessed it...
.
.
.
.
Beef a roni!
but you knew that!
95 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 10:52:18pm |
re: #92 Cato the Elder
No need for the sarc tag. It is a thriving art form, and people are still doing some amazing things with it.
My 29-volume 1911 edition of the Encyc. Brit. was done that way, twice. Once in the regular encyclopedia format, and again in the "handy volume edition" in mostly six-point type. One letter at a time, with tables, mathematical formulae, and multitudes of quotes in foreign languages. And there are far fewer errors per page than in almost any modern book you'd care to examine and compare with it.
That's interesting about the errors. One thing I noticed that once I started doing cad drafting my errors increased. There's an increased focus about manual work that decreases the amount of errors in many cases. Perhaps it's because of the slower work pace. Spell checkers can also wreak havoc. Manual work also puts the craftsman in a physically dynamic position whereas computer work tends to create passivity.
97 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:00:30pm |
re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist
And, from Free Conservatives, our thought of the night:
And in Scrooge, I always felt bad for Ebeneezer. The welfare bums wanted a piece of him, but Scrooge was a total badass. He had good traits. He was frugal, hard working and innovative. Its too bad he softened up in that classic. The lefties and the ghosts denutted him and made him their little state bitch, a slave of the poor, guilting the poor bastard to death of his estate. The writer/director had everything upside down in that movie. The lazy asses converted Scrooge. Why couldn't Scrooge have influenced the lazy asses?
Always a fun read. Here's another nut:
I agree that certain books should be banned. Censorship already exists for the most extreme obscene and terrorist material in libraries. You've got to ask why are standards of morality being constantly eroded? I'm not saying Harry Potter books are going to corrupt a child, but at the least it will desensitize an impressionable mind to the occult. The progessive liberalisation of media is a dangerous road to go down. The effects of desensitivation to sex and violence are all to obvious in declining values and increasing crime (in the UK). I can't see the government doing anything, so I guess self censorship is the answer for those who still care. Free speech and human rights are wonderful, but what about the right to walk down the street without getting verbal abuse or being attacked! Regards, Adam
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98 | windsagio Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:03:01pm |
re: #97 Gus 802
Are you saying you don't wanna protect children from the Occult?
99 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:05:17pm |
re: #98 windsagio
Are you saying you don't wanna protect children from the Occult?
I guess. One reason for that is because the occult doesn't work. It's just a superstition and Bugs Bunny isn't really a person. ;)
100 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:06:58pm |
Over on his Facebook page, author Neil Stephenson asks, "What singular technology would solve most of the world's problems?"
My reply:
"Singular, or single?
"If the former, I'd say you'd have to go the via negativa and prevent a singular technology known as time-travel. It just fucks things up so much. You end up with stuff like the latest Star Trek movie.
"If you meant 'single' as in 'the one that would do the most good', I'd plump for easy-to-install-and-run microbreweries for the Third World, together with the micro-loans to get them started."
101 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:09:47pm |
re: #100 Cato the Elder
Over on his Facebook page, author Neil Stephenson asks, "What singular technology would solve most of the world's problems?"
My reply:
"Singular, or single?
"If the former, I'd say you'd have to go the via negativa and prevent a singular technology known as time-travel. It just fucks things up so much. You end up with stuff like the latest Star Trek movie.
"If you meant 'single' as in 'the one that would do the most good', I'd plump for easy-to-install-and-run microbreweries for the Third World, together with the micro-loans to get them started."
I would say the Mother of All Bombs™ The rough design would be a chemical weapon of sticky bud THC that we could drop on enemy troops in the battlefield.
We could call the first bomb the "Fatty Boy."
/
102 | freetoken Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:13:38pm |
re: #100 Cato the Elder
Hey, it sounds like you singularly whipped his ass in a lexicon singles competition.
103 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:17:42pm |
I wish to send a loud fuck you to Britain for the following:
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
UK bans Kotel from Israeli tourism ad
By RON FRIEDMAN, JONNY PAUL IN LONDON AND ABE SELI
15/04/2010 03:55
Officials deem image misleading, as it is in "occupied territories."
Images of the Western Wall are no longer allowed in Israeli tourism ads in the UK, after regulators deemed it misleading, as it is in the “occupied territories of the West Bank.”
The Advertising Standard Agency ruled on Wednesday following a complaint that a tourism ad containing a picture of the Western Wall with the Dome of the Rock in the background misleadingly implied that east Jerusalem was part of the State of Israel, resulting in false advertising.
“We noted the ad stated, ‘You can travel the entire length of Israel in 6 hours. Imagine what you can experience in 4 days,” and, “Visit... now for more itineraries in Israel,” and considered that readers were likely to understand that the places featured in the itinerary were all within the State of Israel,” the Advertising Standard Agency said in its ruling.
“We understood, however, that the status of the occupied territory of the West Bank was the subject of much international dispute, and because we considered that the ad implied that the part of east Jerusalem featured in the image was part of the State of Israel, we concluded that the ad was likely to mislead,” the ruling continued.
The Israel Government Tourist Office advertisement was held to have breached the Advertising Standard Agency’s guidelines on truthfulness.
Again, permit me to say a hearty and fullsome FUCK you to the Brits over this.
104 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:22:16pm |
re: #102 freetoken
Hey, it sounds like you singularly whipped his ass in a lexicon singles competition.
He's a fun, engaging, and hugely talented writer, but sadly his fans don't seem up to much in the way of original thinking.
There are several who vote for a virus to wipe out the human race. Also more than one cold-fusionist. One person wants to introduce a licensing requirement for human reproduction (and just exactly how is that a technology, rather than an elitist fascist fantasy?).
And near the top is one who recommends "something that would disarm every weapon, simultaneously, and make permanently impossible their repair or replacement (in any form)."
Christ, we're in Harry Potter wishful thinking territory there. And what these people never remember is that anything can be a weapon.
My favorite is rapier wit.
105 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:24:41pm |
re: #103 LudwigVanQuixote
I wish to send a loud fuck you to Britain for the following:
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
UK bans Kotel from Israeli tourism ad
By RON FRIEDMAN, JONNY PAUL IN LONDON AND ABE SELI
15/04/2010 03:55Officials deem image misleading, as it is in "occupied territories."
Again, permit me to say a hearty and fullsome FUCK you to the Brits over this.
Seconded. And a cordial "blow it out your ass" to the people who made and would now undo the Balfour Declaration.
106 | freetoken Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:25:16pm |
re: #104 Cato the Elder
Christ, we're in Harry Potter wishful thinking territory there.
In contemporary American society, technology is the new magick.
Probably arises from one too many viewings of "science" fiction TV shows.
107 | Mark Pennington Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:28:29pm |
I'm awake at 2:25 am(insomnia!) with a weird craving for Crunchberries cereal.(I don't care if I'm an adult!) I just want to grab my robe, jump in the car, walk barefoot into the grocery store, grab some Cap'n Crunch and some ice cold 2%, come back home and get busy tearing up the roof of my mouth.
The house Nazi...er, my wife won't let me.
108 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:28:37pm |
re: #104 Cato the Elder
He's a fun, engaging, and hugely talented writer, but sadly his fans don't seem up to much in the way of original thinking.
There are several who vote for a virus to wipe out the human race. Also more than one cold-fusionist. One person wants to introduce a licensing requirement for human reproduction (and just exactly how is that a technology, rather than an elitist fascist fantasy?).
And near the top is one who recommends "something that would disarm every weapon, simultaneously, and make permanently impossible their repair or replacement (in any form)."
Christ, we're in Harry Potter wishful thinking territory there. And what these people never remember is that anything can be a weapon.
My favorite is rapier wit.
That's pretty funny because disabling or effectively disarming the opponent in war is an element of warfare. One current example is electronic countermeasures (ECM). That ability as they state could be considered a weapon itself since nothing is ever applied bilaterally. Otherwise it's wishful thinking.
Best bet is to wait another 2000 years.
109 | Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:33:23pm |
re: #106 freetoken
In contemporary American society, technology is the new magick.
Probably arises from one too many viewings of "science" fiction TV shows.
Oh, there's also one Dawkinsian freak who believes the "abolishment" [sic] of all organized religion would save the world.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph!
110 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:38:52pm |
re: #109 Cato the Elder
Oh, there's also one Dawkinsian freak who believes the "abolishment" [sic] of all organized religion would save the world.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph!
Forcing society to abandon anything never worked. In fact, that's been one of the leading causes of conflict in human history. The notion of abolishment would only work by force which itself would be a contradiction to an idea of peace.
111 | windsagio Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:41:03pm |
112 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:47:09pm |
re: #111 windsagio
That as an invention is kinda cool, maybe.
Effective mind control!
THX 1138
That would be a rather strange experience for those that would break the boundary of such control. If it were to be the case then we would be able to create the ideal humans regardless of their beliefs.
In the end, those that couldn't be controlled would be considered obsolete.
113 | Gus Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:53:50pm |
Dystopia!
And here I was freaking out about my bills, health, and general state of being. The ability to ponder a dystopian future almost seems like a luxury to me now.
114 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 14, 2010 11:58:18pm |
re: #73 Kruk
Heh. Why would anyone do that when they can CRTL-ALT-DELTE? Or, if you're really stuck, just unplug the battery on the laptop.
Ever been rootkitted? Can't reset from that shit :D Find your windows disc, reinstall!
115 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:00:20am |
re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist
I've done that.
I had a class in typesetting in art school! It was fun, but I'd go insane if that were my job :D
116 | Kruk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:02:23am |
re: #114 WindUpBird
Ever been rootkitted? Can't reset from that shit :D Find your windows disc, reinstall!
Heh. If I didn't know the context, I would have assumed "been rootkitted" meant someting very different. :) Also, I don't think I've kept a copy of the Windows disc where I could find it again. I like to live dangerously. :)
117 | windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:02:54am |
re: #115 WindUpBird
Hey WUB, whats an "AMD Kick" as per Posse on Broadway?
118 | freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:03:18am |
So I'm going through the list of Netflix play-on-demand online catalog... looking for something to watch before I go to bed, and noticing how I pretty much only look at documentaries any more. Something about dramas, even comedies, just bore me now for some reason.
Anyway, looking through their list of documentaries, and there are some good ones (recommend the Pollan pieces on the food industry), my mind wanders and I imagine the titles of documentaries that I doubt we would ever see on Netflix or broadcast TV.
Such as:
Fluorine: Khrushchev's Secret Weapon!
or
Johnny Appleseed to Sarah Palin: America's Love-Affair with Trees
or perhaps
Man With A Chalk Board - Profiles in American Courage
Nope, don't expect to see those documentaries.
119 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:06:22am |
120 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:10:50am |
re: #118 freetoken
On a serious note. I watched "Something to Cheer About" on Hulu last night. Excellent documentary.
In 1955, Oscar Robertson and his teammates at the segregated Crispus Attucks High School rose from the hatred and racism of the time to be the first all-black team ever to win a state championship.
121 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:10:59am |
re: #116 Kruk
Heh. If I didn't know the context, I would have assumed "been rootkitted" meant someting very different. :) Also, I don't think I've kept a copy of the Windows disc where I could find it again. I like to live dangerously. :)
But yeah, as a dude who'se been into computers frm the age of 6 on, tere re definitely times when I've gotten the rage at the computer. Usually when something has broken, some of my work's been lost, or there's a virus, or some problem is plaguing the machine that's beyond my abilities. :D
122 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:14:05am |
re: #117 windsagio
Hey WUB, whats an "AMD Kick" as per Posse on Broadway?
It's AMG, and they're probably referring to the stance on an AMG Mercedes. AMG is Mercedes performance division, like TRD fr Toyota, or M for BMW.
124 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:19:49am |
re: #121 WindUpBird
But yeah, as a dude who'se been into computers frm the age of 6 on, tere re definitely times when I've gotten the rage at the computer. Usually when something has broken, some of my work's been lost, or there's a virus, or some problem is plaguing the machine that's beyond my abilities. :D
Thank goodness for autosave files. I can usually recover from a crashed app on a project I'm working on. I've had only a few complete losses in the past 10 years. Best route is to finish work on a file and then later re-open the file and make a new one through a saveas. Then save often. Of course the funny part is that sometimes you'll get some inspiration and get so lost in the work you forget to save and then poof! All gone.
125 | windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:27:18am |
126 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:29:07am |
re: #124 Gus 802
Thank goodness for autosave files. I can usually recover from a crashed app on a project I'm working on. I've had only a few complete losses in the past 10 years. Best route is to finish work on a file and then later re-open the file and make a new one through a saveas. Then save often. Of course the funny part is that sometimes you'll get some inspiration and get so lost in the work you forget to save and then poof! All gone.
I usually save religiously. Sometimes, though, it happens exactly like you said, you get into a groove, then the machine crashes and then RAGE
127 | windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:30:08am |
speaking of cheering people up, one of my dwarves just went crazy, whacked somebody with the baby she was holding, and then got decapitated.
128 | ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:30:18am |
re: #13 reine.de.tout
Peace Ring.
Ugly Blackheads out in Seconds!
Hercules Wrist Band
Midget Spy Camera.Oh heck, look at me.
I'm supposed to be ignoring you.
Heck, let's let bygones....?
(I just woke up and started reading the thread where I left off, which was just before you posted this).
You know, I even ended up apologizing way back at the end of the other thread. I'm not sure you saw it, but it's still there. So once again, I'll say that I regret that bit of unfortunate business. I hope that we don't have to put on our super-dooper invisibility cloaks (only $1.99) when our paths cross from now on, and I wish you the best...
129 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:30:36am |
re: #126 WindUpBird
I usually save religiously. Sometimes, though, it happens exactly like you said, you get into a groove, then the machine crashes and then RAGE
Exactly. Happens with those late night or off hours forays.
130 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:39:24am |
re: #127 windsagio
speaking of cheering people up, one of my dwarves just went crazy, whacked somebody with the baby she was holding, and then got decapitated.
Dwarf Fortress is the greatest game of all time
the dwarf is surrounded by the earrings
131 | ryannon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:40:12am |
re: #72 Cato the Elder
I once threw a teevee off the roof of a high-rise, but I swear it was legal at the time.
I remember that time too. You could put cherry-bombs down an empty quart beer-bottle and run like hell. No one cared, and the police just looked the other way.
/
132 | windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:42:03am |
re: #130 WindUpBird
an even sadder epilogue, a babysnatcher came out right after and kidnapped the baby, to live a life of slavery :(
133 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:43:41am |
134 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:46:22am |
135 | bagua Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:48:00am |
re: #130 WindUpBird
re: #129 Gus 802
You could set Syncback freeware to make an autoback-up of your active work folder, set it for any interval you like. Have it run another profile less frequently that backed up everything else. Makes it effortless.
Ideally you'd have a second hard-disc to hold the backup folder, so it would be safe if your OS drive blew up and needed replacement.
Your only loss would be unsaved open files, but some programs have a feature that will save drafts at a chosen interval.
136 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:48:10am |
137 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:50:09am |
re: #135 bagua
re: #129 Gus 802
You could set Syncback freeware to make an autoback-up of your active work folder, set it for any interval you like. Have it run another profile less frequently that backed up everything else. Makes it effortless.
Ideally you'd have a second hard-disc to hold the backup folder, so it would be safe if your OS drive blew up and needed replacement.
Your only loss would be unsaved open files, but some programs have a feature that will save drafts at a chosen interval.
Thanks. I use the programs autosave feature. Don't really have a recurring problem with this.
138 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:51:31am |
re: #136 Gus 802
Hey Ice. Not much. Kvetching to myself.
Well, I can join in on the general kvetch about computers...had the same experiences as you.
What's shaking? Here and in the world?
I see that there's a wingnutty push on to pretend the tea party folks are normal people, infiltrated by filthy hippies trying to make Reel Amurka look bad....Looks like the dominant meme out there at the moment.
139 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:55:01am |
re: #138 iceweasel
Well, I can join in on the general kvetch about computers...had the same experiences as you.
What's shaking? Here and in the world?
I see that there's a wingnutty push on to pretend the tea party folks are normal people, infiltrated by filthy hippies trying to make Reel Amurka look bad...Looks like the dominant meme out there at the moment.
Yeah, apparently that's "proof!" A couple of Tea Party crashers create a website to crash the protest and they're now saying, "see we told you, it's not us it's those left wingers!" Right.
140 | Bagua Thu, Apr 15, 2010 12:58:34am |
re: #137 Gus 802
The auto-save is key, of course, and set at very short interval, but without another copy it still lets you down when the disc crashes or that sector gets damaged. Having a copy on a separate disc saves the day.
Notice I don't tell anyone "Back up your computer" or "back up your files", rather I say take a few moments and set up a totally automatic back-up that you don't have to think about. Just confirm its working. Set it and forget it.
141 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:10:22am |
142 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:11:45am |
Catching up on what's new here-- I see we have some new people, yay!
I liked this comment from Renaissance Man:
(excerpt)
Frequent arguments here on LGF revolve around whether the obvious racist and atavistic bent of the Tea Parties should be taken as meaning that all Tea Partiers are racists. I think that argument, while it has merit, does not get at the real heart of the issue. Which is, I believe, that this Conservative movement may or may not one that naturally attracts racists, secessionists, and others of dark intent, but it is a cult that creates a certain dogma and immunity to facts in those that adhere to it. In other words, whether a given Tea Partier is a racist/secessionist/worse is not necessarily the point; the point is that his belief set is more or less what the strong personalities and leaders in the cult say they are.It's a frightening thing, I think. Because if it were merely a problem of differing political beliefs or outdated ideas, weight of evidence and the power of persuasion could be used. But when dealing with a cult mentality, weight of evidence and persuasion are of limited use, if not totally useless. And I think that's very, very grim indeed for the future of political discourse in this country.
Whole comment strikes me as spot on, really. He says "It's a cult, and one that has been carefully made over the past 15 years or so. Its tenets are based on articles of faith and beliefs that are increasingly at odds with objective reality, and these beliefs are not dependent on reason, factual argument, or contrary evidence"
I'd say that's right, but that the cult has been crafted over 30 years, and it's only the last ten or so that it's taken over the GOP entirely. (in my opinion it was crafted under Reagan quite cynically as a means of lassoing the 'religious right', the 'culture war', but now the lunatic base (magician apprentices' broomsticks) are running the show.
143 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:20:48am |
re: #142 iceweasel
Catching up on what's new here-- I see we have some new people, yay!
I liked this comment from Renaissance Man:
(excerpt)
Whole comment strikes me as spot on, really. He says "It's a cult, and one that has been carefully made over the past 15 years or so. Its tenets are based on articles of faith and beliefs that are increasingly at odds with objective reality, and these beliefs are not dependent on reason, factual argument, or contrary evidence"
I'd say that's right, but that the cult has been crafted over 30 years, and it's only the last ten or so that it's taken over the GOP entirely. (in my opinion it was crafted under Reagan quite cynically as a means of lassoing the 'religious right', the 'culture war', but now the lunatic base (magician apprentices' broomsticks) are running the show.
30 years would put it exactly when the religious right came to the forefront in the media by way of the televangelists. The year I usually note is 1980. Having "been there" I remember it well when these crackpots made themselves known: Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and others. It was atavistic in nature then as it is now.
144 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:26:39am |
re: #143 Gus 802
30 years would put it exactly when the religious right came to the forefront in the media by way of the televangelists. The year I usually note is 1980. Having "been there" I remember it well when these crackpots made themselves known: Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and others. It was atavistic in nature then as it is now.
I pretty much would associate it with the televangelists, probably, because of my age. I couldn't even vote then but my first interests in politics would all be around then, and mine were associated with Operation Rescue and reproductive rights.
I think the culture war narrative would naturally have its seeds in the 70's-- ERA was still an issue in the 1980 election, somewhat (at least in so far as the 'fringe' candidate Anderson was the only one supporting it still). Plus the backlash against the social progress of the 70's, naturally.
145 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:28:27am |
Time Covers -The 80S
TIME cover 01-19-1987 Arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi.
Adnan Khashoggi (Arabic: عدنان خاشقجي; born 25 July 1935) is a Turkish-Saudi Arabian arms-dealer and businessman. He is also noted for his engagements with high society in both the Occidental and Arabic-speaking worlds, and for his involvement in the Iran–Contra and Lockheed bribery scandals, and numerous other affairs.
Khashoggi was educated at Victoria College in Alexandria, Egypt, California State University, Chico, Ohio State University, and Stanford University in Palo Alto, California, USA. It is said that Khashoggi quit his studies in order to seek his fortune in business.
Ah, those wonderful 80s.
146 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:33:11am |
re: #144 iceweasel
I pretty much would associate it with the televangelists, probably, because of my age. I couldn't even vote then but my first interests in politics would all be around then, and mine were associated with Operation Rescue and reproductive rights.
I think the culture war narrative would naturally have its seeds in the 70's-- ERA was still an issue in the 1980 election, somewhat (at least in so far as the 'fringe' candidate Anderson was the only one supporting it still). Plus the backlash against the social progress of the 70's, naturally.
Oh, for sure. The main mouth piece against the ERA being Phyllis Schlafly who is still making a dent within wingnut circles. Now her son with pathetic Conservapedia. She was annoying then as she is now. The same holds true with Operation Rescue. These are the same people I knew from my younger years.
I assume you mean John Anderson?
147 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:36:15am |
Schlafly became the most visible and effective opponent of the Equal Rights Amendment during the 1970s as the organizer of the "Stop the ERA" movement, widely credited with stopping it from achieving ratification by its legislative deadline. "STOP" is also a recursive acronym for "Stop Taking our Privileges", because Schlafly argues the amendment, if passed and ratified, would take away privileges enjoyed by American women, including "dependent wife" benefits under Social Security and exemption from Selective Service registration.
By the time Schlafly began campaigning in 1972, the amendment had already been ratified by 30 of the necessary 38 states. However, Schlafly was successful in organizing a grassroots campaign to oppose further states' ratifications. Five more states ratified ERA after Schlafly launched her opposition campaign, though an additional five state legislatures voted to rescind their ratifications. The last state to ratify was Indiana, where then State Senator Wayne Townsend, a Democrat, cast the tie-breaking vote for ratification in January 1977. In opposing ERA, Schlafly argued that "the ERA would lead to women being drafted by the military and to public unisex bathrooms." Her views were opposed by Pro-ERA groups, led by the National Organization for Women (NOW) and the ERAmerica coalition. The amendment was narrowly defeated, despite having achieved ratification in 35 states.
148 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:36:44am |
re: #146 Gus 802
Oh, for sure. The main mouth piece against the ERA being Phyllis Schlafly who is still making a dent within wingnut circles. Now her son with pathetic Conservapedia. She was annoying then as she is now. The same holds true with Operation Rescue. These are the same people I knew from my younger years.
I assume you mean John Anderson?
Sure do!
It's so interesting how so many of these old culture warriors are now back. Operation Rescue, Ralph Reed, Phyllis Schlafly-- tho andrew was back a couple of years ago with conservapedia etc. Look at CPAC or teabagging conventions. The Concerned Women for America-- the fuck?
These names from back then, right up front again.
149 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:40:13am |
re: #147 Gus 802
Wow, this is hilarious-- I had no idea the ERA had been around that long and that opposition to it had been going on that long.
By the time Schlafly began campaigning in 1972, the amendment had already been ratified by 30 of the necessary 38 states
So that's a whole year before we even had Roe v Wade, and it might be the year, or the year after, some Ivy League places started (reluctantly) admitting women.
150 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:42:10am |
re: #148 iceweasel
Sure do!
It's so interesting how so many of these old culture warriors are now back. Operation Rescue, Ralph Reed, Phyllis Schlafly-- tho andrew was back a couple of years ago with conservapedia etc. Look at CPAC or teabagging conventions. The Concerned Women for America-- the fuck?
These names from back then, right up front again.
It's a lot of the same people. Dick Armey, Newt Gingrich, Ralph Reed, Phyllis Schlafly, James Dobson, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, etc. About the only well known new faces are Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann. Media wise it's still Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and the late comer Bill O'Reilly. If you dig deeper into other media outlets like Human Events or the Washington Times you can find some of the old timers that made themselves known as segregationists. Human Events has a few that make Robert Stacy McCain seem like a modernist. They of course always play a role at the conservative event, CPAC.
151 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:43:55am |
re: #149 iceweasel
So that's a whole year before we even had Roe v Wade, and it might be the year, or the year after, some Ivy League places started (reluctantly) admitting women.
It was around for ages. Even Texas ratified it. Odd isn't it?
152 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:43:57am |
BTW, have people already discussed here Mississippi's interesting history with the 13th Amendment? Just learning some stuff...whoa.
153 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:47:21am |
if people haven't seen it, this is very worth reading the whole thing:
In 1995 Mississippi finally ratified the 13th Amendment outlawing slavery. This grated on the “State’s Rights” folks because the State of Mississippi had passed their own law to ban slavery back in 1869 and they thought that should be enough. Like good Confederates the idea that they were part of a Union with Federal Laws that also had to be obeyed seemed to be a moral outrage to these racist deadenders. But in 1995 the media glare was on Mississippi and so they voted to ratify the 13th Amendment. The news was reported and the fact of the vote was noted as a ratification, but in order to be official the State of Mississippi had to send notice of the vote to the US Archivist. Somehow, over the last 15 years Mississippi has been unable to take that step and make their ratification of outlawing slavery official.
BTW, this is relevant and not just a 'haha, silly procedural error' because of the current drive for us all to honour Confederate History Month and mysteriously forget that it had anything to do with, you know, slavery....
154 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:47:54am |
re: #152 iceweasel
BTW, have people already discussed here Mississippi's interesting history with the 13th Amendment? Just learning some stuff...whoa.
I'm still learning. Mississippi was ground zero for segregationists. That's where the White Citizen's Councils was born. Mississippi finally ratified the 13th Amendment in 1995. That was 130 years after they rejected it or 15 years ago. Rather disgusting if you think about it.
155 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:51:37am |
Confederate History Month: Stolen Labor
re: #154 Gus 802
I'm still learning. Mississippi was ground zero for segregationists. That's where the White Citizen's Councils was born. Mississippi finally ratified the 13th Amendment in 1995. That was 130 years after they rejected it or 15 years ago. Rather disgusting if you think about it.
They finally ratified it but it still isn't official because they have 'forgotten' since 95 to send it to the archivist:
In a post last night MattR pointed out that Mississippi did not ratify the 13th Amendment until 1995. That was a pretty amazing factoid on its own, but then as I did a little research on the subject today I came across a very interesting footnote on USConstitution.net a long time site dedicated to the history of the US Constitution (emphasis added):
* Mississippi ratified the amendment in 1995, but because the state never officially notified the US Archivist, the ratification is not official.
Haven't checked any of this yet myself, but wtf?
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
156 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:51:54am |
re: #153 iceweasel
if people haven't seen it, this is very worth reading the whole thing:
BTW, this is relevant and not just a 'haha, silly procedural error' because of the current drive for us all to honour Confederate History Month and mysteriously forget that it had anything to do with, you know, slavery...
And if I'm not mistaken Mississippi has one of the highest poverty rates in the country. It's a poor state that relies on Federal entitlement programs.
157 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:56:01am |
re: #156 Gus 802
And if I'm not mistaken Mississippi has one of the highest poverty rates in the country. It's a poor state that relies on Federal entitlement programs.
Heart of the KKK too, right? Once upon a time, anyway.
158 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 1:56:07am |
re: #155 iceweasel
Confederate History Month: Stolen Labor
Haven't checked any of this yet myself, but wtf?
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
This is long but here's a portrait of Mississippi:
# Whites in Mississippi today have a human development level comparable to that of the average American circa 1997. African Americans in the state, on average, experience the level of access to choices and opportunities of the average American in 1974--a 23-year gap between the two groups.# When geography and race are combined, the gap nearly triples. White Mississippians living in Hinds County have a human development level roughly comparable to that of top-ranked Connecticut. African-Americans living in Pike-Adams have human development level of the average American circa 1960.
# While the range of earnings for whites in all county groups spans from $22,000 to $38,000, for African Americans, the earnings range is $13,000 to $25,000. In other words, whites who are worst off in the state in terms of income are still better off than the majority of African Americans.
# The median earnings of African American men, $20,368, are comparable to those of the typical American in 1970. African American women have median earnings of $ 14,915 - less than the earnings of the typical American in 1960.
# Although whites have higher well-being scores than African Americans in every U.S. state, Mississippi is among the four states with the largest disparities between the two groups. (The others are Louisiana, Nebraska, and Alabama.)
# Though whites are doing better than African Americans in Mississippi, they are doing less well than whites in other states. On the overall Index, whites in Mississippi rank 48th on the state list. They are 46th in education and are tied for last with West Virginia whites in terms of health. They perform somewhat better on the income index, ranking 40th on the list. A white resident of Washington D.C., which has the country's highest score for whites, lives eight years longer, earns 2.4 times more, and is five times more likely to have a college degree than a white resident of Mississippi.
# African Americans in Mississippi, on average, are worse off than African Americans in most other states. Of the 39 states with an African American population sufficiently large to be included in this analysis, Mississippi ranks second-to-last on the overall state index as well as on the health index and income index (Louisiana is last) and last on the education index. Compared to an African American from Mississippi, an African American living in Maryland lives four years longer, earns twice as much, and is twice as likely to have a college degree.
# The average cost per year of keeping an inmate in prison in Mississippi in 2006 was $15,000; the average expenditure per pupil for elementary and junior high school in the state that same year was just over $7,000. Thus the state is spending twice as much per prisoner as it is on education per schoolchild.
# An African-American baby boy born today in Mississippi can expect to have a lifespan shorter than that of the average American in 1960.
That's from 2009 or 14 years after Mississippi finally and officially outlawed slavery.
You think there's a connection to that? I sure do. If you look at the history of this country it's fraught with poverty and ignorance and rather archaic ideas as promoted by corrupt politicians.
159 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:00:55am |
re: #157 iceweasel
Heart of the KKK too, right? Once upon a time, anyway.
Had to check. The KKK was first established in Tennessee. Outgrowth of the post Civil War era.
Six middle-class Confederate veterans from Pulaski, Tennessee, created the original Ku Klux Klan on December 24, 1865, in the immediate aftermath of the American Civil War. The origin of the group's name became the subject of speculation by the media and opponents in their early years, with theories ranging from Mexican mythology to one popularly held idea - still circulated - that the words "ku" and "klux" were onomatopoetic words for the sounds of loading and locking a bolt-action rifle. In truth, the name was formed by combining the Greek kyklos (κυκλος, circle) with clan. Indeed, the group was known for a very short time as the "Kuklux Clan." The Ku Klux Klan was one among a number of secret, oath-bound organizations using violence, including the Southern Cross in New Orleans (1865), and the Knights of the White Camellia (1867) in Louisiana.
160 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:03:33am |
re: #158 Gus 802
That's from 2009 or 14 years after Mississippi finally and officially outlawed slavery.
You think there's a connection to that? I sure do. If you look at the history of this country it's fraught with poverty and ignorance and rather archaic ideas as promoted by corrupt politicians.
You're damn right I do.
From your link:
The report provided a state-by-state analysis using a numerical measure of well-being and opportunity made up of health, education, and income indicators.A Portrait of Mississippi, the first-ever human development report at the state level, was commissioned by Oxfam American and the Mississippi State Conference of the NAACP as a follow-up to the state's extremely low ranking on the national index. While many of the Gulf states have some of the country's lowest levels of educational attainment, income, and life expectancy, Mississippi ranks last in the nation on overall human development.
Just adding this for the AM Wingnut Wave crew who won't look at your link and will whine-- you know, the "What's 'human development'? Is it how in touch are they with their feelings?" crowd.
Yes, asshats, it's education, (gasp) HEAlTh! and income. Get out your Galt schtick.
Mississippi is fucked up. Let's face it.
161 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:04:33am |
re: #159 Gus 802
Yeah, but Mississippi had the Goodman, Chaney, and Schwermer(?) murders-- civil rights workers, and more.
162 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:10:00am |
re: #161 iceweasel
Yeah, but Mississippi had the Goodman, Chaney, and Schwermer(?) murders-- civil rights workers, and more.
It did. Here's the first racist groups coming from Mississippi:
Red Shirts (Southern United States)
The Red Shirts or Redshirts of the Southern United States were white paramilitary groups in the 19th century, active primarily after the formal Reconstruction era of the United States. They first arose in Mississippi in 1875, when conservative rifle clubs and private militias adopted red shirts to make themselves more visible and threatening to Republicans, both whites and freedmen. Similar groups formed in other Southern states and also adopted Red Shirts.
They were Democrats then but that changed in 1964 as the Dixiecrats switched parties and became Republicans. Also of note, and this is important. There's a lot revisionist thinking about Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley regarding civil rights but they were steadfast against civil rights and for segregation since the 1950s.
163 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:11:58am |
164 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:15:48am |
re: #162 Gus 802
Also of note, and this is important. There's a lot revisionist thinking about Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley regarding civil rights but they were steadfast against civil rights and for segregation since the 1950s.
That is important. I was thinking about it the other day. I think many of us need to point this out-- the revisionist thinking regarding Goldwater and Buckley.
I think maybe 90 percent of the people here who call themselves Goldwater conservatives don't know much about Goldwater.
IMO Goldwater was sort of the Ron Paul of 64. People who now revere him don't seem to grasp that.
165 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:15:59am |
re: #163 WindUpBird
ahahahaha AM wingnut wave :D
CATCH THE WAVE
I (Heart) Corporations.
It's all the Muslims fault.
/Hide your feelings in a spin off link.
/
166 | windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:16:27am |
Occasionally somebody comes up with a little game (this one's only 10 minutes long) that is just a revelation.
Storytelling and art and beauty and difficulty all rolled into one. I'm really stunned.
(from: TIGsource)
167 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:17:18am |
168 | windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:17:37am |
re: #167 iceweasel
They get all annoyed when you call it htat :P
169 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:17:42am |
re: #164 iceweasel
That is important. I was thinking about it the other day. I think many of us need to point this out-- the revisionist thinking regarding Goldwater and Buckley.
I think maybe 90 percent of the people here who call themselves Goldwater conservatives don't know much about Goldwater.IMO Goldwater was sort of the Ron Paul of 64. People who now revere him don't seem to grasp that.
There's a reason why Goldwater lost. Buckley was what we would call today an asshole in the 1950s.
171 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:19:00am |
172 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:19:24am |
re: #165 Gus 802
I (Heart) Corporations.
It's all the Muslims fault.
/Hide your feelings in a spin off link.
/
I'm gonna' post me a link to a site that hates on Soros-- it may be to a holocaust denial site, or possibly a LaRouche pub, who knows? I just google and gotta' git posting.
Then I gotta' marinate a rack of lamb in cigarette ash. /
173 | windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:20:15am |
re: #171 Gus 802
That was really emblematic of what I want left/right conflict to be (at least from being on the left).
Calling your opponent a 'faggot' and threatening to punch him in his nose sounds like a teaparty thing for sure :D
174 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:20:49am |
re: #172 iceweasel
I'm gonna' post me a link to a site that hates on Soros-- it may be to a holocaust denial site, or possibly a LaRouche pub, who knows? I just google and gotta' git posting.
Then I gotta' marinate a rack of lamb in cigarette ash. /
Yep. The key being to set up the spin off link in a non active thread. It's the new Lizard Lounge.
175 | windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:21:13am |
re: #173 windsagio
err that came out garbled: I mean if there has to be a conflict, I wanna be the smart, smug one, and they can be the violent homophobe :D
176 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:21:39am |
re: #169 Gus 802
There's a reason why Goldwater lost. Buckley was what we would call today an asshole in the 1950s.
Yes. And yet I've seen many a paean to Buckley here referencing exactly that, and how 'classy' he was towards Vidal. Fancy that.
177 | windsagio Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:23:14am |
really just wanted to stop by and post that game.
Sad as it is I'm gonna go to bed so I can argue with people about Obama and NASA tomorrow :D
178 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:23:35am |
re: #174 Gus 802
Yep. The key being to set up the spin off link in a non active thread. It's the new Lizard Lounge.
Notice that it's always the same people, and the same stories? Often to ones that are like 3 days old?
Then we'll see the same 'random' links 'randomly' posted for a whole week. Same people, as ever.
Yeah, I think it's been noticed. /
179 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:25:17am |
re: #173 windsagio
That was really emblematic of what I want left/right conflict to be (at least from being on the left).
Calling your opponent a 'faggot' and threatening to punch him in his nose sounds like a teaparty thing for sure :D
They both had a thing about wars. Oddly enough, or not so oddly enough, Goldwater was a ferry pilot in WWII. Buckley also never made it to the "front" either. Both a couple of momma's boys that received special treatment.
180 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:27:23am |
re: #178 iceweasel
Notice that it's always the same people, and the same stories? Often to ones that are like 3 days old?
Then we'll see the same 'random' links 'randomly' posted for a whole week. Same people, as ever.Yeah, I think it's been noticed. /
Yes. It's the same couple of Lizards. They never make any comments here. They just hide in the spin offs and keep posting the same anti-Obama links ever single day.
182 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:31:49am |
re: #180 Gus 802
Yes. It's the same couple of Lizards. They never make any comments here. They just hide in the spin offs and keep posting the same anti-Obama links ever single day.
Wacko.
Though I must say Charles has cleaned out the most egregious offenders in links. Mostly blogwhores.
Now we still have a few that link other places in spinoffs, but it's the same mind-numbing and disreputable ODS! ODS! stuff 24/7.
183 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:38:03am |
re: #182 iceweasel
Wacko.
Though I must say Charles has cleaned out the most egregious offenders in links. Mostly blogwhores.Now we still have a few that link other places in spinoffs, but it's the same mind-numbing and disreputable ODS! ODS! stuff 24/7.
What happens is that they post a link and see it as fact. It doesn't even have to be news. It could be to a blogger but they'll still see it as fact. You can't even argue with them since there's this little spin-off link clique that you have to tiptoe about.
184 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:41:55am |
re: #183 Gus 802
What happens is that they post a link and see it as fact. It doesn't even have to be news. It could be to a blogger but they'll still see it as fact. You can't even argue with them since there's this little spin-off link clique that you have to tiptoe about.
I must also say that I find some of the tastiest troll hunting of late to be taking place in spinoffs and in comments on spinoffs. Raw meat, there. ;)
185 | Gus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 2:50:41am |
re: #184 iceweasel
I must also say that I find some of the tastiest troll hunting of late to be taking place in spinoffs and in comments on spinoffs. Raw meat, there. ;)
A lot of it is angst. I'm surprised that we don't see more comments in most of those links. One of the current trends is they'll post a link and think make a comment on the link they posted. The majority of what I'm talking about is anti-Obama links that portend to cast him as being anti-Israel. Recently it's also been regarding the nuclear weapons negotiations. It's odd though. Calling him "Obama." He is the president. But that's not unusual. We get a lot of acronyms such as ROP, MFMSM, BHO, etc. The depersonalization is obvious.
188 | simoom Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:42:49am |
CBS/NYT has up a bunch of Tea Party polling data:
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
Twenty-four percent of Tea Party supporters say it is sometimes justified to take violent action against the government. That compares to 16 percent of Americans overall who say violence against the government is sometimes justified.Sixty-three percent say they get the majority of their political and current events news on television from the Fox News Channel, compared to 23 percent of Americans overall.
...
An overwhelming majority of Tea Party supporters, 84 percent, say the views of the Tea Party movement reflect the views of most Americans. But Americans overall disagree: Just 25 percent say the Tea Party movement reflects their beliefs, while 36 percent say it does not.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
... the Tea Party movement is 89 percent white and just one percent black.
...
Asked if too much has been made of the problems facing African-Americans, 52 percent said yes.That compares to 28 percent of Americans overall who say too much has been made of the problems facing blacks, and 23 percent of non-Tea Party whites who say as much.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
Tea Party "activists," defined as those who have attended a rally or donated money to the movement, make up a small portion of the group, but they are even more pessimistic about the direction of the country, and more negative about President Obama, than Tea Partiers overall ...
These activists make up 20 percent of Tea Party supporters and 4 percent of Americans overall.
...
Twenty-four percent of Tea Partiers think violent action against the government could be justified, but that number rises to 32 percent among Tea Party activists.More than three in four Tea Party activists get their television political news from Fox News Channel.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
Although the Constitution requires American presidents to be natural born citizens, as many as 30 percent of Tea Partiers say they think President Obama was born in another country, according to a new CBS News/ New York Times poll. More Tea Partiers, however, at 41 percent, say he was born in the U.S.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...] (PDF)
When supporters of the Tea Party are asked to volunteer what they like least about the President, the top answer is they just don’t like him, mentioned by 19%. This is followed by 11% who say he is turning the U.S. more toward socialism, his health care reforms (10%), and that he is dishonest (9%).
...
Half of Tea Partiers also describe themselves as middle class – yet most see the President as working mainly for the poor. 56% of Tea Party supporters say his policies favor the poor, but among Americans overall, just 27% think this.
189 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:47:40am |
re: #185 Gus 802
A lot of it is angst. I'm surprised that we don't see more comments in most of those links. One of the current trends is they'll post a link and think make a comment on the link they posted. The majority of what I'm talking about is anti-Obama links that portend to cast him as being anti-Israel. Recently it's also been regarding the nuclear weapons negotiations. It's odd though. Calling him "Obama." He is the president. But that's not unusual. We get a lot of acronyms such as ROP, MFMSM, BHO, etc. The depersonalization is obvious.
If one calls the President by his surname or by using his initials, that alone is neither odd, unusual, "depersonalizing", or anything else, IMO. The context of the usage may supply a negative tinge to the usage, but that is different than jumping to negative pseudo-psychological conclusions based solely on one's own version of what is politically correct.
190 | simoom Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:52:45am |
re: #188 simoom
Actually, the NYT has all the polling data much better organized than CBS:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
191 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:54:29am |
re: #185 Gus 802
Calling him "Obama." He is the president.
Every President in my lifetime has been called by either his last name alone or some other form besides "President (full 1st name) (full last name)
Eisenhower (Ike)
Kennedy (JFK)
Johnson (LBJ)
etc etc
Even back then (late 50's, early 60's) when things were no where near as informal as they are these days
192 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:55:43am |
I see that the Tea party is already voicing a lot of concern about potential "infiltrators".
Which is just great for them. any signs of of excesses, over-the-top racism, incitement to violence or even bad spelling will just break down into a squabble over whether those were "real" or "fake" Tea-partiers...
193 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:56:18am |
re: #191 sattv4u2
Calling him "Obama." He is the president.
Every President in my lifetime has been called by either his last name alone or some other form besides "President (full 1st name) (full last name)
Eisenhower (Ike)
Kennedy (JFK)
Johnson (LBJ)
etc etcEven back then (late 50's, early 60's) when things were no where near as informal as they are these days
It is a bit of a giveaway when they just call him "Hussein"...
194 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:58:55am |
re: #193 ralphieboy
It is a bit of a giveaway when they just call him "Hussein"...
I agree. But thats not what Gus posted, which IS what I responded too!
Again, every President has had their detractors who called them derogatory names (Bush= Shrub,,,, Clinton = Bubba)
195 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:01:41am |
re: #188 simoom
An overwhelming majority of Tea Party supporters, 84 percent, say the views of the Tea Party movement reflect the views of most Americans. But Americans overall disagree: Just 25 percent say the Tea Party movement reflects their beliefs, while 36 percent say it does not.
Populist spiels always claim to reflect the views of the "average" American or, to use an '80s expression, the "silent majority". No wonder then that the people polled seem to have swallowed this hype.
Still, for 25% of Americans overall to agree with the tea partiers is a very substantial endorsement, is it not?
196 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:03:29am |
re: #195 Spare O'Lake
Populist spiels always claim to reflect the views of the "average" American or, to use an '80s expression, the "silent majority". No wonder then that the people polled seem to have swallowed this hype.
Still, for 25% of Americans overall to agree with the tea partiers is a very substantial endorsement, is it not?
Thats Allotta Wing(nuts)!
197 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:05:56am |
Basic Instinct is on HBO/ West
I'll let you know when Sharon Stone crossed her legs in the interview scene!
199 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:10:39am |
200 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:11:23am |
re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sitting there with just your tie on!?!?!
201 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:11:29am |
re: #190 simoom
First. Polls suck. I hate them. (See Ron Paul)
Second: The NYT and CBS? I think they might have an agenda.
202 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:12:54am |
re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar
First. Polls suck. I hate them. (See Ron Paul)
Second: The NYT and CBS? I think they might have an agenda.
C'mon. You know as well as I. Only FOX News and Rasmussan are "slanted"!
/
203 | Taqyia2Me Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:13:02am |
re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar
First. Polls suck. I hate them. (See Ron Paul)
Second: The NYT and CBS? I think they might have an agenda.
Agenda?!?
No way!
/
204 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:13:15am |
re: #194 sattv4u2
I agree. But thats not what Gus posted, which IS what I responded too!
Again, every President has had their detractors who called them derogatory names (Bush= Shrub,,, Clinton = Bubba)
let us not forget "Tricky Dick"
205 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:13:55am |
re: #185 Gus 802
I find myself typing Obama and erasing it or inserting President Obama when making comments. I do use his initials from time to time for brevity.
W and Dubya were popular terms for President Bush.
Oh, that and Hitler.
206 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:14:50am |
208 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:15:58am |
re: #204 ralphieboy
let us not forget "Tricky Dick"
Thats my point. So Gus getting flummoxed because someone posts "Obama" instead of "President Barack Obama" is selective outrage, imho
209 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:16:26am |
OO ,,OO ,,, The interview scene is starting (Basic Instinct ,, Sharon Stone)
210 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:17:02am |
For all to see.
[Link: punditkitchen.com...]
211 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:18:10am |
re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I find myself typing Obama and erasing it or inserting President Obama when making comments. I do use his initials from time to time for brevity.
W and Dubya were popular terms for President Bush.
Oh, that and Hitler.
no way. Only teabaggerwingnuts use derogatory terms for a POTUS !
212 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:18:43am |
THERE ,,,, SHE DID IT ,, SHE CROSSED HER LEGS !!!
213 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:19:51am |
re: #212 sattv4u2
THERE ,,, SHE DID IT ,, SHE CROSSED HER LEGS !!!
Nice beaver.
Leslie Neilson-Naked Gun
214 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:29:33am |
I would like to take a moment to thank the Baltimore Oriels for being the Tampa Bay Rays bitch.
215 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:30:01am |
re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar
"Thank you. I just had it stuffed."
-Priscella Presley
216 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:31:39am |
re: #211 sattv4u2
no way. Only teabaggerwingnuts use derogatory terms for a POTUS !
Right, but just as there was no excuse for calling Bush "Hitler", there is no excuse for vilifying Obama either. Also, because Obama is not white, care must be taken not to use derogatory terms which can be interpreted as being racist.
Just sayin'.
217 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:33:08am |
re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Thank you. I just had it stuffed."
-Priscella Presley
I don't know if I drink so much because my wife left me, or if my wife left me because I drink so much. But, fuck it anyway.
-Leaving Las Vegas (GREAT soundtrack, BTW)
218 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:36:53am |
re: #216 Spare O'Lake
Have you heard one yet that has not been interpreted yet as racist?
219 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:38:27am |
re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I did the same thing with President Bush. Would type "Bush" then erase it and type "President Bush"... I'm sure I slipped sometimes.
It is simply about brevity.
220 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:39:56am |
re: #217 Cannadian Club Akbar
Nicolas Cage (before he became a pod person) and Elisabeth Shue. Loves me some Elisabeth Shue.
221 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:40:02am |
re: #218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Have you heard one yet that has not been interpreted yet as racist?
Shit, calling Obama by his own name is racist. Disagreeing with his policies is racist as well.
222 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:40:50am |
re: #219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I did the same thing with President Bush. Would type "Bush" then erase it and type "President Bush"... I'm sure I slipped sometimes.
It is simply about brevity.
I used to call President Obama "Zero." But now I try to address him properly.
223 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:41:21am |
re: #219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I did the same thing with President Bush. Would type "Bush" then erase it and type "President Bush"... I'm sure I slipped sometimes.
It is simply about brevity.
Again, ever since I was a kid I can recall people using just the current presidents last name (or nickname) during informal discussions (see my #191)
224 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:41:52am |
re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nicolas Cage (before he became a pod person) and Elisabeth Shue. Loves me some Elisabeth Shue.
Marisa Hartigay (sp?) was in the movie as well. I think I love her.
225 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:42:28am |
re: #223 sattv4u2
Again, ever since I was a kid I can recall people using just the current presidents last name (or nickname) during informal discussions (see my #191)
Like for example, my mother used to call President Reagan, "That fucking Reagan"...
(jk, my mom is a saintly virgin)
226 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:45:02am |
227 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:46:14am |
re: #226 sattv4u2
re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sofía Vergara
End of discussion
[Link: www.google.com...]
228 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:47:02am |
229 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:47:08am |
230 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:47:57am |
re: #218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Have you heard one yet that has not been interpreted yet as racist?
Touché. I should have said "reasonably interpreted".
231 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:47:58am |
232 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:49:01am |
233 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:51:48am |
re: #229 MandyManners
Which reminds me
3 times a year (today being one of them) I get my FREE annual credit report from one of the three reporting agencies (today was Equifax)
All the info IS free on all three, although if you want your credit score you will have to pay (like 8 bucks) and you can for free see if there is anything amiss, or if anyone has been making inquiries about you
annualcreditreport.com
You can get to all three agencies from here, but can only have a free one once a year from each. So, every 4 months I get a different agencies report
234 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:52:17am |
235 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:53:34am |
236 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:53:52am |
Jerry Jones, drunk. Tebow and Parcells mentioned. Heh.
[Link: deadspin.com...]
237 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:55:16am |
238 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:55:59am |
re: #208 sattv4u2
Thats my point. So Gus getting flummoxed because someone posts "Obama" instead of "President Barack Obama" is selective outrage, imho
Oh, hell!
I thought it was perfectly acceptable to use the correct spelling of a person's name when referring to them.
I too use "Obama" at times, as I used "Bush"; "the President" at other times (for either of them) ; or "President Obama" at still other times (just as I used President Bush").
One of those forms is incorrect?
239 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:56:22am |
re: #233 sattv4u2
The Kid loves to sing the songs from those "Freecreditreport.com" commercials.
240 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:57:19am |
re: #239 MandyManners
The Kid loves to sing the songs from those "Freecreditreport.com" commercials.
Heck, I love singing them too!
Doesn't everybody?
241 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:57:56am |
re: #237 NJDhockeyfan
Heh.
Does this bring back memories?
Schoolhouse Rock - Tax Man Max
[Video]
Yeah, memories from when I forgot to avoid the brown acid.
242 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:58:16am |
re: #239 MandyManners
The Kid loves to sing the songs from those "Freecreditreport.com" commercials.
Yeah, but you have to PAY for the "freecreditrepotrt.com" whereas "annualcreditreport.com" IS free (again, except if you want/ need the actual score)
243 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:58:33am |
re: #238 reine.de.tout
Oh, hell!
I thought it was perfectly acceptable to use the correct spelling of a person's name when referring to them.I too use "Obama" at times, as I used "Bush"; "the President" at other times (for either of them) ; or "President Obama" at still other times (just as I used President Bush").
One of those forms is incorrect?
Only when it is partisan bitching. And how many times have we heard "Mr. Bush" or "Mr. Obama"? Both are incorrect.
244 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:59:03am |
re: #240 reine.de.tout
Heck, I love singing them too!
Doesn't everybody?
All the time? Fiftyfuckingtimesinthreeminutes?
245 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 4:59:39am |
246 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:00:00am |
re: #238 reine.de.tout
Oh, hell!
I thought it was perfectly acceptable to use the correct spelling of a person's name when referring to them.I too use "Obama" at times, as I used "Bush"; "the President" at other times (for either of them) ; or "President Obama" at still other times (just as I used President Bush").
One of those forms is incorrect?
In #185 Gus laments that calling him "Obama" is depersonalizing
247 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:00:17am |
re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar
Only when it is partisan bitching. And how many times have we heard "Mr. Bush" or "Mr. Obama"? Both are incorrect.
Morning, CCA. How are things this a.m.?
Or, should I say
Good morning, Cannadian Club Akbar. How are things this morning?
249 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:01:32am |
re: #247 reine.de.tout
Morning, CCA. How are things this a.m.?
Or, should I say
Good morning, MISTER Cannadian Club Akbar. How are things this morning?
ftfy
/
250 | Taqyia2Me Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:01:32am |
Fellow taxpayers, sing along with me:
Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.
Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.
Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.
Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.
Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.
Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his __.
Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.
When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.
Put these words
Upon his tomb,
Taxes drove me
to my doom...'
When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge T ax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Ser vice FeeTax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
251 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:01:55am |
re: #247 reine.de.tout
Morning, CCA. How are things this a.m.?
Or, should I say
Good morning, Cannadian Club Akbar. How are things this morning?
Heh. You are the only person to spell my name right. Which is spelled wrong.:)
252 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:03:17am |
re: #246 sattv4u2
In #185 Gus laments that calling him "Obama" is depersonalizing
Perhaps Gus is thinking it's demeaning in certain context, depending on what else is being written. I could see that happening.
253 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:03:42am |
“Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15.”
Ronald Reagan
Heh.
254 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:03:50am |
re: #247 reine.de.tout
Morning, CCA. How are things this a.m.?
Or, should I say
Good morning, Cannadian Club Akbar. How are things this morning?
heh. I noticed it ages ago. In my head, I pronounce it:
"cananadian".
255 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:04:52am |
re: #254 reine.de.tout
heh. I noticed it ages ago. In my head, I pronounce it:
"cananadian".
Why do you hate "cananadian"s !?!?!
/
256 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:05:57am |
re: #244 MandyManners
All the time? Fiftyfuckingtimesinthreeminutes?
Maybe he's like a record with a scratch in it. The needle gets stuck
SMACK HIM!
257 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:06:20am |
258 | Taqyia2Me Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:09:01am |
And for those with some time on their hands, 91 pages of pdf proof that sometimes, your tax dollars are spent in a wise manner:
[Link: blogs.sj-r.com...]
259 | freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:09:06am |
re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar
Here I thought you just had found an anagram for your alternate ID: Unbind A Cabala Crank
260 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:11:23am |
re: #259 freetoken
Here I thought you just had found an anagram for your alternate ID: Unbind A Cabala Crank
Holy crap!! It's to early for that much work!!
/
261 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:11:29am |
re: #259 freetoken
Here I thought you just had found an anagram for your alternate ID: Unbind A Cabala Crank
or yours
Reek Often
(sorry!!)
262 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:12:06am |
re: #260 Cannadian Club Akbar
Holy crap!! It's to early for that much work!!
/
No work at all
[Link: wordsmith.org...]
263 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:19:59am |
re: #262 sattv4u2
My full name just made this one...
"Afghan Drill John Trunk"
Not very clever, but hey! It's the internet!
264 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:20:24am |
Hey everybody, I was talkin' to you
I ain't tellin' you jivin', this is the natural truth
Mm mm mm, I got them Eisenhower blues
Thinkin' about me and you, what on earth are we gonna do?My money's gone, my fun is gone
The way things look, how can I be here long?
Mm mm mm, I got them Eisenhower blues
Thinkin' about me and you, what on earth are we gonna do?Taken all my money, to pay the tax
I'm only givin' you people, the natural facts
I only tellin' you people, my belief
Because I am headed straight, on relief
Mm mm mm, I got them Eisenhower blues
Thinkin' about me and you, what on earth are we gonna do?Ain't go a dime, ain't even got a cent
I don't even have no money, to pay my rent
My baby needs some clothes, she needs some shoes
Peoples I don't know what, I'm gonna do
Mm mm mm, I got them Eisenhower blues
Thinkin' about me and you, what on earth are we gonna do?
265 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:21:49am |
You just can't make this shit up.
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]
266 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:23:58am |
re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ever noticed that every hotel in America named the "Executive Inn" is a total and absolute shithole?
267 | Ericus58 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:25:08am |
Here's a poem that I heard yesterday driving home from work. From The Writer's Almanac, on PBS - KOUW Seattle.
San Francisco Remembered
by Philip Schultz
In summer the polleny light bounces off the white buildings
& you can see their spines & nerves & where the joints knot.
You've never seen such polleny light. The whole city shining
& the women wearing dresses so thin you could see their wing-tipped hips
& their tall silvery legs alone can knock your eye out.
But this isn't about women. It's about the city of blue waters
& fog so thick it wraps round your legs & leaves glistening trails
along the dark winding streets. Once I followed such a trail
& wound up beside this redheaded woman who looked up & smiled
& let me tell you you don't see smiles like that in Jersey City.
She was wearing a black raincoat with two hundred pockets
& I wanted to put my hands in each one. But forget about her.
I was talking about the fog which steps up & taps your shoulder
like a panhandler who wants bus fare to a joint called The Paradise
& where else could this happen? On Sundays Golden Gate Park
is filled with young girls strolling the transplanted palms
& imported rhododendron beds. You should see the sunset
in their eyes & the sway, the proud sway of their young shoulders.
Believe me, it takes a day or two to recover. Or the trolleys clanking
down the steep hills—why you see legs flashing like mirrors!v Please, Lord, please let me talk about San Francisco. How
that gorilla of a bridge twists in the ocean wind & the earth
turns under your feet & at any moment the whole works can crack
& slip back into the sea like a giant being kicked off his raft
& now, if it's all right, I would like to talk about women…
268 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:25:24am |
re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ever noticed that every hotel in America named the "Executive Inn" is a total and absolute shithole?
well, would you have made the reservation if the name of the hotel was "A Total and Absolute Shithole" ?
269 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:25:36am |
Hamas executes 2 suspected informers for Israel
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – The head of the military court in Hamas-ruled Gaza says two informers for Israel have been executed.
The executions marked the first time in a decade — and the first time ever under Hamas rule — that the death penalty was carried out in Gaza.
It signaled an escalation in Hamas' ways of maintaining control over Gaza. The Islamic militants seized the territory in 2007.
The head of the military court, Ahmed Atallah, announced the executions in a statement on the Web site of Gaza's Interior Ministry. He identified the two men as convicted collaborators Mohammed Ismail and Nasser Abu Freih.
Atallah did not say how they were executed. An employee at Gaza's main hospital says their bullet-riddled bodies were dropped off there by armed men early Thursday.
270 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:26:41am |
re: #268 sattv4u2
well, would you have made the reservation if the name of the hotel was "A Total and Absolute Shithole" ?
The names are interchangeable....
271 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:26:52am |
re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ever noticed that every hotel in America named the "Executive Inn" is a total and absolute shithole?
I stayed at a Motel 6 once. Fucking towels weren't big enough to go around my waist.
272 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:27:23am |
re: #271 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have that problem A LOT!
273 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:27:48am |
re: #271 Cannadian Club Akbar
I stayed at a Motel 6 once. Fucking towels weren't big enough to go around my waist.
I'm not sure if thats an indictment on the towels, or your eating habits!
274 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:27:53am |
I would like to take a moment to thank the person who invented the back scratcher.
275 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:28:25am |
276 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:29:14am |
re: #217 Cannadian Club Akbar
I don't know if I drink so much because my wife left me, or if my wife left me because I drink so much. But, fuck it anyway.
-Leaving Las Vegas (GREAT soundtrack, BTW)
Always thought that "Leaving Las Vegas" and "Midnight Cowboy" were important moral examples, and pushed our teenagers to study them. Wife did not agree.
277 | freetoken Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:32:21am |
re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar
I would like to take a moment to thank the person who invented the back scratcher.
One of our relatives, probably.
278 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:32:53am |
re: #276 Decatur Deb
"Leaving Las Vegas" was the FEEL GOOD MOVIE OF THE YEAR!
The most depressing movie I have seen since was "The Soloist".
Oh, and Avatar. Finally saw it. What a piece of shit movie. Why didn't they name it,
"HEY! WATCH WHAT CGI CAN DO NOW!"
279 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:33:32am |
re: #276 Decatur Deb
Always thought that "Leaving Las Vegas" and "Midnight Cowboy" were important moral examples, and pushed our teenagers to study them. Wife did not agree.
The Russians told John Walker (spy,traitor) to watch "The French Connection" to learn counter surveillance.
280 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:34:57am |
re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar
"Excuse me, while I whip this out!"
281 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:36:35am |
re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar
The Russians told John Walker (spy,traitor) to watch "The French Connection" to learn counter surveillance.
He didn't watch closely enough.
282 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:36:40am |
An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy.
Daniel Webster.
283 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:40:56am |
re: #282 MandyManners
Good thing the taxed people have the power to turn the tap up and down.
284 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:42:48am |
re: #283 Decatur Deb
Good thing the taxed people have the power to turn the tap up and down.
Yes. Like Charlie Rangel.
/
285 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:43:37am |
re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar
don't be so racist.
286 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:43:58am |
re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes. Like
Charlie Rangel.Tim Geithner.
/
288 | prairiefire Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:44:25am |
re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar
The man can wear a silk suit, just saying.
289 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:44:37am |
Our town will have a small tea party today. I proposed that, with the proper signs, I could get a few people to burn their Social Security or Medicare cards. Wife did not agree.
290 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:44:39am |
291 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:45:55am |
re: #288 prairiefire
The man can wear a silk suit, just saying.
I spent $160 on silk sheets. Hated them.
292 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:45:56am |
294 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:46:28am |
re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes. Like Charlie Rangel.
/
He has a fair chance to be turned "off'. Adam Clayton Powell's kid is running, under the Irony Party.
295 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:47:10am |
re: #286 Cannadian Club Akbar
STILL racist
REASONS
either
A) because you eliminated Rangle
or
B) Geithner was appointed by ,,,,,
////
(see how easy it is to attach racism to anything!!!)
296 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:47:21am |
re: #292 MandyManners
Sorry, Mr. Waters. It's the love of money that is the root of all evil. Not money per se.
"The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" is a great album!!
298 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:51:39am |
By the way, I wrote a long (for me) post the other day saying that the Federal Government should abolish the Federal Department of Education.
Yesterday? Glenn Beck did a segment on the abolishing the DoE.
Guess what? Glenn was dead on. No "craziness" was involved (other than an "indoctrination" moment). Had two excellent guests who made some great points.
Yes. We should abolish the the Federal Department of Education.
299 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:52:36am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
By the way, I wrote a long (for me) post the other day saying that the Federal Government should abolish the Federal Department of Education.
Yesterday? Glenn Beck did a segment on the abolishing the DoE.
Guess what? Glenn was dead on. No "craziness" was involved (other than an "indoctrination" moment). Had two excellent guests who made some great points.
Yes. We should abolish the the Federal Department of Education.
And you look like Glenn Beck!!!
300 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:53:51am |
re: #299 Cannadian Club Akbar
Maybe I am Glenn Beck's sensible twin?
301 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:53:57am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There was no federal "Dept of Education" when I was in school a hundred years ago. Things seemed to work fine.
302 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:54:34am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
When I start agreeing with Glenn Beck, I'll report early to Carousel.
303 | Ericus58 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:55:05am |
re: #302 Decatur Deb
When I start agreeing with Glenn Beck, I'll report early to Carousel.
"Renew!!"
304 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:55:24am |
re: #301 reine.de.tout
There was no federal "Dept of Education" when I was in school a hundred years ago. Things seemed to work fine.
Thanks, Jimmy Carter!
305 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:56:23am |
re: #301 reine.de.tout
There was no federal "Dept of Education" when I was in school a hundred years ago. Things seemed to work fine.
There were teaching nuns then.
306 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:56:51am |
re: #277 freetoken
One of our relatives, probably.
CCA - I'm telling you.
I used to keep a toothbrush at work for after lunch.
And a second one at work (and one next to my bed) for back scratching purposes, those places I cannot reach. Small, portable, and works like a charm.
It would just be icky to confuse which was which.
307 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:58:19am |
308 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:58:56am |
For the love of Pete...
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]
309 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 5:59:50am |
re: #306 reine.de.tout
CCA - I'm telling you.
I used to keep a toothbrush at work for after lunch.
And a second one at work (and one next to my bed) for back scratching purposes, those places I cannot reach. Small, portable, and works like a charm.
It would just be icky to confuse which was which.
I inherited my back scratcher from my dad. My sisters and brother got everything else.
310 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:00:24am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Media Matters has people posting on Glenn Beck's "idea".
Yes, the right has nutjobs/wingnuts/etc... but the left has some fucking idiots too. The people posting had absolutely no idea what Glenn was talking about, but that didn't stop them from commenting on it.
A couple of comments? Sure, I'll be glad to.
Abolish it all, let's live in mud huts and build our own guns from clay.
Yes! Let's not educate people so Glenn can have more viewers. Education is overrated. Heck, look at Afghanistan..it's a great place to move to and raise a family (especially for girls!) Women know their place and men are free to raise whatever kind of crops they want! Education, smeducation!!!
Beck might ought to read up on this guy named Pol Pot and his group, the Khmer Rouge. They had a problem with education, too.
Yeah. These people have no idea what the Department of Education does.
Didya know it was created in 1979? Glenn made an excellent point... "How did a department that is so young, become such a sacred cow, so quickly?"
311 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:03:22am |
re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's for the children.
(I fucking hate that phrase)
312 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:03:47am |
re: #308 Cannadian Club Akbar
For the love of Pete...
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]
It's typical and the Navy has named ships after worse men. Murtha served honorably as a Marine and he did help get the latest series of Marine landing ships funded. That earns him a ship in my book.
313 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:04:54am |
314 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:06:10am |
re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Media Matters has people posting on Glenn Beck's "idea".
Yes, the right has nutjobs/wingnuts/etc... but the left has some fucking idiots too. The people posting had absolutely no idea what Glenn was talking about, but that didn't stop them from commenting on it.
A couple of comments? Sure, I'll be glad to.
Abolish it all, let's live in mud huts and build our own guns from clay.
Yes! Let's not educate people so Glenn can have more viewers. Education is overrated. Heck, look at Afghanistan..it's a great place to move to and raise a family (especially for girls!) Women know their place and men are free to raise whatever kind of crops they want! Education, smeducation!!!
Beck might ought to read up on this guy named Pol Pot and his group, the Khmer Rouge. They had a problem with education, too.Yeah. These people have no idea what the Department of Education does.
Didya know it was created in 1979? Glenn made an excellent point... "How did a department that is so young, become such a sacred cow, so quickly?"
It's rejectionism, pure and simple. They hate Glen Beck, so whatever he proposes they attack in vitriolic terms. Actually arguing the issue seems passe to them. They prefer the hyperbolic attacks Beck himself uses, which shows them to be no better than him.
315 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:06:53am |
re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hate it too. But you know what? It's not for the Children. It's for the fucking teacher's union.
I'm sure since I'm on board with Glenn on this I'll be labeled a nutjob, but I am ready to take on anyone on this issue.
Name me ONE child that has been educated by the $50,000,000.00 (that's with a B) Department of Education.
It began years ago, when I read Grossman's "A call for revolution"... tax book; not militia bullshit.
316 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:07:03am |
re: #312 Dark_Falcon
It's typical and the Navy has named ships after worse men. Murtha served honorably as a Marine and he did help get the latest series of Marine landing ships funded. That earns him a ship in my book.
Yes. From the link:
Georgia Rep. Carl Vinson, and Mississippi Sen. John Stennis, both Democrats, supported racial segregation in the South, opposed civil rights legislation and signed the 1956 “Southern Manifesto.”
317 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:11:49am |
re: #316 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes. From the link:
Georgia Rep. Carl Vinson, and Mississippi Sen. John Stennis, both Democrats, supported racial segregation in the South, opposed civil rights legislation and signed the 1956 “Southern Manifesto.”
Can't be...only Republicans are racists. That must be a typo.
//
318 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:12:11am |
319 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:13:10am |
Beaverton teacher faces investigation over Tea Party "infiltration"
Jason Levin, the Portland man who caused a ruckus over his plans to "infiltrate" Tea Party protests in an aim to discredit them, teaches in a Beaverton middle school and now faces an investigation by the Teacher Standards and Practices Commission.
Melody Hanson, the commission's director of professional practices, said Wednesday that the agency opened an investigation because "there was enough concern that there was some neglect of duty" on the part of Levin.
Levin teaches in the media lab at Conestoga Middle School, although he described himself in an interview earlier this week with Talking Points Memo as a technology consultant.
Levin started a web site called "Crash the Tea Party" that he said was aimed at encouraging people to pose as Tea Party protestors while acting in outlandish ways in hopes of discrediting the movement.
320 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:14:30am |
321 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:15:01am |
re: #319 NJDhockeyfan
Beaverton teacher faces investigation over Tea Party "infiltration"
Does anyone think their boss should review the appropriateness of their LGF blogging?
322 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:15:10am |
re: #319 NJDhockeyfan
Beaverton teacher faces investigation over Tea Party "infiltration"
Nail his ass to the wall.
323 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:16:05am |
re: #317 NJDhockeyfan
Can't be...only Republicans are racists. That must be a typo.
//
Silly boy
ALL those southern democrats switched to the republican party during the civil Rights Leg battle
Well ,, all, except Al Gore Senior,, and Robert Byrd ,, and George Wallace, and William Fulbright ,,, and ,,, (etc etc etc)
324 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:16:16am |
re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hate it too. But you know what? It's not for the Children. It's for the fucking teacher's union.
I'm sure since I'm on board with Glenn on this I'll be labeled a nutjob, but I am ready to take on anyone on this issue.
Name me ONE child that has been educated by the $50,000,000.00 (that's with a B) Department of Education.
It began years ago, when I read Grossman's "A call for revolution"... tax book; not militia bullshit.
The problem is that the Dems will never go along with it voluntarily, and its not some the non-politically active public will get exercised about. I'd propose devolving the Department's power back to the states on a gradual basis, finally leaving it extant for proposes of policy co-ordination.
325 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:16:46am |
re: #309 Cannadian Club Akbar
I inherited my back scratcher from my dad. My sisters and brother got everything else.
ROFL.
So, your brothers and sisters got the toothbrushes, you're saying?
326 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:16:57am |
327 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:18:06am |
re: #325 reine.de.tout
ROFL.
So, your brothers and sisters got the toothbrushes, you're saying?
Some day I will tell the "$30,000 blue bowl" story.
328 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:18:15am |
re: #324 Dark_Falcon
Oh, hell yeah.
I'd agree with anything that put the power back in the state's hands.
329 | Ericus58 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:19:18am |
re: #321 Decatur Deb
Does anyone think their boss should review the appropriateness of their LGF blogging?
Now why be a buzz-kill?
/
330 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:19:20am |
re: #321 Decatur Deb
Does anyone think their boss should review the appropriateness of their LGF blogging?
If they were acting as a moby, posting inflammatory comment to discredit LGF, then yes. If you are then habit of acting like a duplicitous asshole outside of work and your boss finds out, you should be in hot water. Because the odds are you'll act that way at work sooner or later.
331 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:20:21am |
re: #321 Decatur Deb
Does anyone think their boss should review the appropriateness of their LGF blogging?
???
332 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:20:48am |
333 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:21:16am |
334 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:21:27am |
re: #247 reine.de.tout
Reine,
Bonus upding for the "Engineers Guide to Cats" link. I forwarded it to a bunch of engineers I know, and a few relatives. My brother's sole comments was "poor Ginger".
:)
335 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:22:07am |
re: #331 NJDhockeyfan
I think it was a valid question. The way that I read it, the thing that they're talking about is not that he is doing it, it is when he is doing it.
Work time is not the time to do these things.
'ceptin Sattv...
336 | Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:22:09am |
Morning Lizards.
Bit late in getting up today.
337 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:22:09am |
re: #330 Dark_Falcon
If they were acting as a moby, posting inflammatory comment to discredit LGF, then yes. If you are then habit of acting like a duplicitous asshole outside of work and your boss finds out, you should be in hot water. Because the odds are you'll act that way at work sooner or later.
That's kind of stretching the ol' performance appraisal.
338 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:22:23am |
re: #332 MandyManners
Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's
[Video]
Damn-fine dope-smoking music.
339 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:22:25am |
re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar
Some day I will tell the "$30,000 blue bowl" story.
Hell.
I understand.
My brother got the $80,000 piece of sculpture. Which honestly, no one knew was worth $80,000, and I'm very glad he has it and appreciates it.
But these things never work out equally.
I was executrix of my parents' estate, and I waived the (substantial) fee I was entitled to as such.
When items were split up, I got really, everything I wanted, but it "added up" to much less than what the others "got".
I've got no complaints about it, other than there is ONE brother who complained excessively and constantly that I "got" this or that or the other thing, and the two of them actually ended up with the 2nd most valuable take of the four of us. I don't care about that; the complaints from her just pissed me off, as the fact that she took one piece that was my grandmother's that I would like back, and she isn't using it, and she knows I like it and want it, and refuses to return it.
Bitch.
340 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:23:13am |
re: #334 oaktree
Reine,
Bonus upding for the "Engineers Guide to Cats" link. I forwarded it to a bunch of engineers I know, and a few relatives. My brother's sole comments was "poor Ginger".
:)
So glad you enjoyed it!
They've made a couple of other ones, as well. But that was the first, iirc, and the funniest, IMO.
341 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:24:16am |
re: #339 reine.de.tout
Hell.
I understand.
My brother got the $80,000 piece of sculpture. Which honestly, no one knew was worth $80,000, and I'm very glad he has it and appreciates it.But these things never work out equally.
I was executrix of my parents' estate, and I waived the (substantial) fee I was entitled to as such.
When items were split up, I got really, everything I wanted, but it "added up" to much less than what the others "got".
I've got no complaints about it, other than there is ONE brother's wife who complained excessively and constantly that I "got" this or that or the other thing, and the two of them actually ended up with the 2nd most valuable take of the four of us. I don't care about that; the complaints from her just pissed me off, as the fact that she took one piece that was my grandmother's that I would like back, and she isn't using it, and she knows I like it and want it, and refuses to return it.
Bitch.
Had to fix that.
342 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:24:23am |
343 | Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:24:44am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
By the way, I wrote a long (for me) post the other day saying that the Federal Government should abolish the Federal Department of Education.
Yesterday? Glenn Beck did a segment on the abolishing the DoE.
Guess what? Glenn was dead on. No "craziness" was involved (other than an "indoctrination" moment). Had two excellent guests who made some great points.
Yes. We should abolish the the Federal Department of Education.
Do you have a link to that post? I'd like to see the point you made about it.
344 | Joo-LiZ Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:25:33am |
'Morning Everyone.
Has anyone yet discussed the latest anti-Israelabsurdity coming out of Britain?
Their Advertising Standards Authority has declared that an Israeli Tourism Advertisement is fraudulent because the Kotel (The Western Wall) and Temple Mount are technically beyond the Green Line, in "East Jerusalem", and therefore are "Occupied Territory".
With all the emphasis on the Green Line pushed by figures like Obama, it was only a matter of time until people decided that the Old City is really Occupied Palestinian Territory as well. Nevermind that the 1949 Armistice that established the Green Line explicitly said that the ceasefire lines of that war should in no way impact the final territorial borders.
Images of the Western Wall are no longer allowed in Israeli tourism ads in the UK, after regulators deemed it misleading, as it is in the “occupied territories of the West Bank.”The Advertising Standard Agency ruled on Wednesday following a complaint that a tourism ad containing a picture of the Western Wall with the Dome of the Rock in the background misleadingly implied that east Jerusalem was part of the State of Israel, resulting in false advertising.
This really is absurd. I have no other words to describe it.
345 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:25:45am |
re: #342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
At least you're not bitter.
/ snicker
*snicker*
That incident bothers me. Of course, my mom and I both knew, years ago, that SHE would be the problem when it came time to deal with these things.
I made sure some of the nicer pieces of jewelry were held back, and gave those to the OTHER sis-in-law.
346 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:25:50am |
re: #339 reine.de.tout
The blue bowl is a running joke in the family. The thing is actually worth 2 bucks. But it cost my dad 30 grand in the divorce and all he got was the blue bowl. A divided bowl. One side for the mashed taters, one side for the gravy.
347 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:26:05am |
re: #343 Jadespring
Shoot no, wasn't no big deal... I almost repeated it anyway.
348 | badger1970 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:26:18am |
Good morning all. Hope your coffee's hot, and the doughnuts are fresh.
349 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:26:39am |
re: #346 Cannadian Club Akbar
The blue bowl is a running joke in the family. The thing is actually worth 2 bucks. But it cost my dad 30 grand in the divorce and all he got was the blue bowl. A divided bowl. One side for the mashed taters, one side for the gravy.
OMG.
Too damned funny.
Really funny.
I thought this was going to be a story about some sort of heirloom that somebody got and immediately broke, or something.
Too funny.
350 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:26:43am |
re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think it was a valid question. The way that I read it, the thing that they're talking about is not that he is doing it, it is when he is doing it.
Work time is not the time to do these things.
'ceptin Sattv...
One day in Italy, I was off work for an American holiday, but my daughter was in her Italian middle school class. I went out for a coffee, and heard a commotion in the village mayor's parking lot. As I rounded the corner, I found her, her teacher, and the class with picket signs protesting the lack of heat in the classrooms. The teacher looked a little alarmed until I burst out laughing.
351 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:27:16am |
Obama Speech Signals a U.S. Shift on Middle East
WASHINGTON — It was just a phrase at the end of President Obama’s news conference on Tuesday, but it was a stark reminder of a far-reaching shift in how the United States views the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and how aggressively it might push for a peace agreement.When Mr. Obama declared that resolving the long-running Middle East dispute was a “vital national security interest of the United States,” he was highlighting a change that has resulted from a lengthy debate among his top officials over how best to balance support for Israel against other American interests.
This shift, described by administration officials who did not want to be quoted by name when discussing internal discussions, is driving the White House’s urgency to help broker a Middle East peace deal. It increases the likelihood that Mr. Obama, frustrated by the inability of the Israelis and the Palestinians to come to terms, will offer his own proposed parameters for an eventual Palestinian state.
353 | Joo-LiZ Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:27:45am |
re: #103 LudwigVanQuixote
Well said, and echoed over here.
It really makes me mad to think about. The sheer Chutzpah!
354 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:27:55am |
re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think it was a valid question. The way that I read it, the thing that they're talking about is not that he is doing it, it is when he is doing it.
Work time is not the time to do these things.
'ceptin Sattv...
Sofía Vergara!
355 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:28:50am |
re: #337 Decatur Deb
That's kind of stretching the ol' performance appraisal.
To be fair, your boss won't sanction you for something outside of work. But two of the managers I've had did criticize employees for actions outside of work that showed possible bad character. When you know your subordinate is engaging in duplicity to discredit someone else, you damn sure should call him onto the carpet over that. It reflects poorly on the team, and someone who smears others in his free time may well smear his co-workers.
356 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:29:29am |
re: #348 badger1970
Good morning all. Hope your coffee's hot, and the doughnuts are fresh.
NOMMY NOM NOM!
357 | Locker Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:29:32am |
re: #350 Decatur Deb
One day in Italy, I was off work for an American holiday, but my daughter was in her Italian middle school class. I went out for a coffee, and heard a commotion in the village mayor's parking lot. As I rounded the corner, I found her, her teacher, and the class with picket signs protesting the lack of heat in the classrooms. The teacher looked a little alarmed until I burst out laughing.
Now THAT is something worth protesting. Can't learn your algebra if your beanbag is freezing off.
358 | pingjockey Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:29:42am |
re: #353 Joo-LiZ
It'll be okay. Once the Hezbos start lofting those new missles Syria gave them, there won't be any tourists anyway.///
359 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:30:02am |
re: #354 sattv4u2
Sofía Vergara!
I noticed after I posted her pics earlier you were gone for a while. Just sayin'.
///
360 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:30:28am |
Good morning Lizards,
Good/Bad day. Tax day (and it looks like the net result is that I get some money back). And also the day of the year my fraternity was founded in Illinois in 1907. No real celebration planned for the former, but I will be attending a banquet to celebrate the latter on Saturday.
No You-Tube access here, but MP had the following tax-related commentary.
"It's" Man: I would tax Raquel Welch. I have a feeling she'd tax me.
Gumby: I would put a tax on people who stand in water.
[looks down and sees that he is standing in a stream]
Gimby: Wha...
361 | MandyManners Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:30:38am |
re: #351 NJDhockeyfan
I'm gonna' step back before I say what I think of that fucking narcissistic asshole.
Have a great day, Lizards!
362 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:31:13am |
re: #321 Decatur Deb
I am of the opinion that your personal life is off limits to professional review. Short of criminal acts anyway.
363 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:31:43am |
re: #357 Locker
Now THAT is something worth protesting. Can't learn your algebra if your beanbag is freezing off.
I loved it. The kid learned a lot about democracy and politics. (The mayor was cool too--It was beneath his dignity to deal with the rabble, so he sent his Deputy Mayor out to face them.)
364 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:31:45am |
re: #353 Joo-LiZ
Well said, and echoed over here.
It really makes me mad to think about. The sheer Chutzpah!
I think that the Israelis should refuse to take down the posters. The Brit want them gone? Let them send the cops, and then deal with the bad PR.
365 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:32:32am |
re: #359 Cannadian Club Akbar
I noticed after I posted her pics earlier you were gone for a while. Just sayin'.
///
With her pics, "a while' ain't long!
366 | Ericus58 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:33:57am |
re: #351 NJDhockeyfan
By making a "Vital" link of our (US) interests to the success/failure of peace between not just the Palistinians and Israel but of the US and the Arab world... we have injected tension and given clout to the enemies of Israel.
This is a terrible precedent that has not existed before.
Now the onus is on this Administration to "produce" results to appease the Arab world - and in my opinion will only come at the expense of Israel.
I hope we don't end up with a "Peace in our Lifetime" moment...
367 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:34:23am |
Poll: 91% against Obama imposing deal
A huge majority of Israelis would oppose an attempt by US President Barack Obama to impose a final-status agreement with the Palestinians, a poll sponsored by the Independent Media Review and Analysis (IMRA) organization found this week.
Leading American newspapers reported last week that Obama was considering trying to impose a settlement if efforts to begin indirect proximity talks between Israel and the Palestinians proved unsuccessful. The option was discussed in a meeting with current and former advisers to the White House.
Asked whether they would support Obama imposing a plan dividing Jerusalem and removing the Jordan Valley from Israeli control, 91 percent of Israelis who expressed an opinion said no and 9% said yes, according to the poll of 503 Israelis, which was taken by Ma’agar Mohot on Sunday and Monday and had a 4.5% margin of error.
368 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:36:16am |
World Jewish Congress confronts Obama on White House double-standard on Israel and Palestinians
Ramifications continue to appear as a result of the diplomatic gulf between President Obama and Israel. Ron Lauder, president of the World Jewish Congress, has written an open letter to Obama that deserves careful and close consideration by anybody concerned about the future viability of the "Two-State Solution" to the Middle East crisis.
369 | Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:37:19am |
Traveling for a few days, (not to DC) might be out of touch--Later
370 | Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:38:46am |
re: #339 reine.de.tout
Ugh I've seen a few families ripped apart by that sort of thing.
I think I'll do it like my Grandmother did even though it did have a 'creepy' element to it. She started dividing and giving away the really valuable stuff before she died and any question of 'fairness' that the kids brought up was dealt with by her. With the other stuff she asked what her kids would like, made a list and then put pieces of tape with names on it on most everything, right done to the little knick knacks (which there were tons of) on all her shelves. If there was something two people wanted she had already made the decision.
My Mom felt really uncomfortable when it was happening but Grandma would just say, "I just don't want you all arguing about things when I'm gone. This will make it easier." Thing is it really did and everyone really appreciated how much easier it was. It led to a lot of laughs too when people pondered why Grandma had labeled the dancing hula bobble girl from Hawaii or the chipped pig salt shaker for them.
371 | pingjockey Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:39:04am |
re: #368 NJDhockeyfan
The Palis don't want a two state solution. Sure, they'll mouth all the right platitudes, but it boils down to a one state solution with no Israel and no Jews.
372 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:40:57am |
re: #370 Jadespring
I have a cow salt shaker. Guess I was wrong when I said all I got was the back scratcher.:)
373 | sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:41:52am |
re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have a cow salt shaker. Guess I was wrong when I said all I got was the back scratcher.:)
No problem. The back scratcher post was a MOOving story!
374 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:42:09am |
re: #362 Rightwingconspirator
I am of the opinion that your personal life is off limits to professional review. Short of criminal acts anyway.
I would generally agree with that, with the exception that if there is something in your personal life that crosses over into affecting your professional life, it has to be considered.
Worked with a lady once addicted to painkillers, from a private-life injury.
Her work performance sucked. So that's what we focused on, but there is no denying it was a private-life issue that caused the performance problem.
375 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:43:00am |
re: #366 Ericus58
By making a "Vital" link of our (US) interests to the success/failure of peace between not just the Palistinians and Israel but of the US and the Arab world... we have injected tension and given clout to the enemies of Israel.
This is a terrible precedent that has not existed before.
Now the onus is on this Administration to "produce" results to appease the Arab world - and in my opinion will only come at the expense of Israel.I hope we don't end up with a "Peace in our Lifetime" moment...
I feel sorry for Israel at this moment in history. The enemies surrounding Israel are arming themselves with much bigger weapons than has ever been seen before in that region. They could always depend on the US as a trusted ally. I don't think they trust the US that much today.
376 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:44:21am |
re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have a cow salt shaker. Guess I was wrong when I said all I got was the back scratcher.:)
Well, at least you don't have a beef with your siblings. :D
377 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:44:23am |
re: #370 Jadespring
Ugh I've seen a few families ripped apart by that sort of thing.
I think I'll do it like my Grandmother did even though it did have a 'creepy' element to it. She started dividing and giving away the really valuable stuff before she died and any question of 'fairness' that the kids brought up was dealt with by her. With the other stuff she asked what her kids would like, made a list and then put pieces of tape with names on it on most everything, right done to the little knick knacks (which there were tons of) on all her shelves. If there was something two people wanted she had already made the decision.
My Mom felt really uncomfortable when it was happening but Grandma would just say, "I just don't want you all arguing about things when I'm gone. This will make it easier." Thing is it really did and everyone really appreciated how much easier it was. It led to a lot of laughs too when people pondered why Grandma had labeled the dancing hula bobble girl from Hawaii or the chipped pig salt shaker for them.
My mom did the same thing. WE had many discussions about it before she got sick and died. I never felt it was creepy. I mean, it's not like it was a secret she was in her mid-70's and close to the end of her life expectancy.
She also, at my request, had a note for me, listing her various insurance policies, stock accounts, her retirement, and other matters, with contact information. I cannot tell you how much that helped.
378 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:45:13am |
re: #282 MandyManners
An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy.
Daniel Webster.
But the "creative destruction" necessarily involved in capitalism and corporate power, now, that's a good thing, eh?
And where, pray, do you see unlimited taxation in the US?
You sound like you're trying to come up with a good wingnut sign for today's tea-party rally.
379 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:45:41am |
I want to work for the State Department.
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
380 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:45:53am |
re: #375 NJDhockeyfan
I feel sorry for Israel at this moment in history. The enemies surrounding Israel are arming themselves with much bigger weapons than has ever been seen before in that region. They could always depend on the US as a trusted ally. I don't think they trust the US that much today.
I'd say most of them know they can trust the American people. Its Obama they can't trust. That asshole just spent all the credit he'd earned with me and about double that amount besides.
381 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:46:25am |
re: #339 reine.de.tout
Hell.
I understand.
My brother got the $80,000 piece of sculpture. Which honestly, no one knew was worth $80,000, and I'm very glad he has it and appreciates it.But these things never work out equally.
I was executrix of my parents' estate, and I waived the (substantial) fee I was entitled to as such.
SNIP
I was quite lucky in this regard (given the non-luck in losing parents and siblings "before their time".)
My parents, in their near-infinite wisdom, set up a irrevocable trust fund to handle their estate. When my father died things went in a very straightforward manner in that the trust was split and all the taxes/fees were paid off on the one-half of the estate. There was a trustee (initially my mother, and then me) overseeing that trust. The other half of the trust, plus any other items went to my mother as primary/sole heir. (During this time period my parents were also gifting their children with a couple thousand $ a year each since they could do that tax-free.
When my mother died in 2000 (after a year-long fight with brain cancer) my brother was executor of the estate. The two trust funds were split evenly between the surviving heirs per the will. My brother and I went through the personal items and furniture without practically any rancor and split things up according to need and available room. (And we essentially kept my sister-in-law out of this for the most part.)
The other items (outstanding bills, non-trust investments, etc.) were turned over to a probate lawyer to handled. Who then proceeded to do *nothing* for over a year. At that point my brother got fed up and took everything back from the lawyer. He got power of attorney fairly easily since I was willing to sign it over as the other heir and then proceeded to clear everything up. Which included finding an insurance policy that had matured twenty years previously and also an annuity account that we didn't know even existed.
Bizarre stuff. And from that I've taken steps to make sure I keep a current list of items like that for whoever has to clean up after me. (Employers have changed enough times that I have 2-3 IRAs from rolled-over 401K and/or closed out pension systems.)
I think the real key to these matters is attitude. My brother and I had *zero* expectations of inheriting anything from our parents beyond some mementos and personal items. No feelings entitlement, and there were very few items that we both wanted -- and for many of the items it was obvious they should go to his side since he had the children that would inherit the family heirlooms. (I don't have any children.)
382 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:47:15am |
re: #377 reine.de.tout
My mom did the same thing. WE had many discussions about it before she got sick and died. I never felt it was creepy. I mean, it's not like it was a secret she was in her mid-70's and close to the end of her life expectancy.
She also, at my request, had a note for me, listing her various insurance policies, stock accounts, her retirement, and other matters, with contact information. I cannot tell you how much that helped.
I'll also add this:
Before they died, they gave me authority to sign their checks from checking accounts and to withdraw money from their stock accounts, and power of attorney.
That gave me access to their funds and the authority to act on their behalf and to pay expenses related to my parents' care and their death, without having to get court orders to do it.
383 | Slap Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:48:49am |
re: #141 Gus 802
BIG praise for old Tubes! I was lucky enough to see them on their last, full-on Grand Guignol tour. One of the most surreal and depraved spectacles I've ever witnessed. And they kicked some SERIOUS ass....
Thanks!
384 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:49:45am |
re: #381 oaktree
. . .
I think the real key to these matters is attitude. My brother and I had *zero* expectations of inheriting anything from our parents beyond some mementos and personal items. No feelings entitlement, and there were very few items that we both wanted -- and for many of the items it was obvious they should go to his side since he had the children that would inherit the family heirlooms. (I don't have any children.)
Exactly. I ended up being very surprised at the extent of my parents' estate. We're not talking huge and wealthy, but it was substantially more than I thought it would be. And my hubby and I have provided for ourselves quite acceptably, and had no need for any "inheritance".
I do wish I could get back my grandmother's dresser. I was her namesake, and - well, I would just like to have it.
385 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:49:47am |
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MOSCOW — The British Embassy says British, French and U.S. troops will march with Russian soldiers on Red Square to mark the 65th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany.
It said in a statement Thursday that the May 9 parade will include a Royal Air Force band and a detachment of Welsh Guards.
The statement said the parade may mark the first time British troops have marched in Red Square.
The U.S. Embassy confirmed that U.S. soldiers will take part in the parade.
Victory Day is Russia's most important secular holiday. The Kremlin plans a larger parade than usual this year.
Old news, but I missed it the first time around. Down is the new up.
386 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:51:19am |
re: #221 NJDhockeyfan
Shit, calling Obama by his own name is racist. Disagreeing with his policies is racist as well.
No, disagreeing with his policies is just fine. Drawing a Hitler mousatche under his nose is a bit over the top, but not racist. Portraying him as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose is racist.
387 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:51:19am |
re: #385 filetandrelease
snip>
Old news, but I missed it the first time around. Down is the new up.
Could be worse...the Russians could have been invited to march down Pennsylvania Ave.
388 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:52:11am |
re: #386 ralphieboy
No, disagreeing with his policies is just fine. Drawing a Hitler mousatche under his nose is a bit over the top, but not racist. Portraying him as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose is racist.
Exactly. Not everyone can see that though.
389 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:53:24am |
re: #385 filetandrelease
Old news, but I missed it the first time around. Down is the new up.
Right. Wouldn't want to take part in a celebration commemorating the joint effort to defeat Hitler. It's another sign of who Obama's true masters are, right?
390 | garhighway Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:53:29am |
re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar
First. Polls suck. I hate them. (See Ron Paul)
Second: The NYT and CBS? I think they might have an agenda.
I think their polling has proven to be pretty accurate.
That's my recollection from my browsing of 538 last election cycle.
391 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:53:31am |
SKorea hoists sunken warship, finds dead bodies
SEOUL, South Korea — South Korea lifted part of a warship from the sea Thursday, nearly three weeks after it mysteriously exploded and sank with dozens of sailors trapped inside. Salvage workers found dead bodies of 32 crew members in the retrieved vessel.Fifty-eight crew members were rescued shortly after the 1,200-ton Cheonan split into two pieces after exploding March 26 during a routine patrol near the tense border with North Korea. So far, 34 bodies have been recovered, while 12 sailors remain unaccounted for.
Recovering the wrecked ship could help determine the cause of the blast. There has been some suspicion but no confirmation of North Korean involvement in the sinking. The disputed western sea border has in the past been the scene of three bloody inter-Korean naval battles.
On Thursday, a huge naval crane hoisted the stern portion of the ship — where most of the missing sailors are believed trapped — a day after divers succeeded in tying the wreckage with chains.
Rescuers and salvage workers later boarded the stern and found 32 bodies identified as Cheonan crew, according to the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Seoul. Divers had previously retrieved two bodies during an underwater hunt.
"It's very regrettable as we hadn't given up our hope until the last minute," President Lee Myung-bak said during an emergency meeting on the salvaging, according to his office. "I don't know how to console their families."
392 | Locker Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:53:54am |
re: #386 ralphieboy
No, disagreeing with his policies is just fine. Drawing a Hitler mousatche under his nose is a bit over the top, but not racist. Portraying him as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose is racist.
And constantly and compulsively stating and emphasizing his middle name is a thinly veiled assertion that he is a Muslim.
Barack HUSSEIN Obama
BHO
HUSSEIN!
393 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:54:28am |
re: #388 NJDhockeyfan
Exactly. Not everyone can see that though.
Even scarier, there are people who do not see portraying Obama with a bone in his nose as racist, to them it is just "political satire". Which it is, too, but still racist political satire...
394 | garhighway Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:54:56am |
re: #253 Cannadian Club Akbar
“Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15.”
Ronald Reagan
Heh.
Sad that Reagan thought that neither party could read a calendar.
395 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:55:27am |
re: #392 Locker
And constantly and compulsively stating and emphasizing his middle name is a thinly veiled assertion that he is a Muslim.
Barack HUSSEIN Obama
BHO
HUSSEIN!
Stressing the "Hussein" is another one of those dog whistle things, no point in calling people out on it, it just provokes their counter-charges...
396 | Spider Mensch Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:55:29am |
re: #387 NJDhockeyfan
Could be worse...the Russians could have been invited to march down Pennsylvania Ave.
only if they promise to bring those really cool missle launcher trucks with the polished up missles on them..those are cool..like a Godzilla movie...))
397 | bosforus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:55:45am |
OT - glad to report that despite having gone to bed last night with only 2 of the 8 pigeons having returned to the garden planter, when I woke up they had all come back and the mom was sitting on all four eggs.
398 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:55:59am |
re: #387 NJDhockeyfan
Could be worse...the Russians could have been invited to march down Pennsylvania Ave.
In memory of our joint defeat of Hitler, I would have no fucking problem with that. The Russians suffered more to bring down Nazism than any other three armed opponents of Germany combined.
Gawd, I hate the smell of squeaky-clean, self-righteous LGF wingnuts in the morning!
399 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:12am |
re: #389 Cato the Elder
Right. Wouldn't want to take part in a celebration commemorating the joint effort to defeat Hitler. It's another sign of who Obama's true masters are, right?
Agreed on this one. This is a nontroversy. It's a valid story for the VE Day angle, but there is no problematic issue.
400 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:15am |
re: #389 Cato the Elder
Right, let our soldiers salute Lenin in Red Square, I am sure each and every one of them will feel honored. It makes me want to puke.
And Obama is his own master, a true legend in his own mind.
401 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:20am |
re: #396 Spider Mensch
only if they promise to bring those really cool missle launcher trucks with the polished up missles on them..those are cool..like a Godzilla movie...))
Could they all stand on the Balcony of Jefferson Memorial and wave?
402 | Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:25am |
re: #377 reine.de.tout
My mom did the same thing. WE had many discussions about it before she got sick and died. I never felt it was creepy. I mean, it's not like it was a secret she was in her mid-70's and close to the end of her life expectancy.
She also, at my request, had a note for me, listing her various insurance policies, stock accounts, her retirement, and other matters, with contact information. I cannot tell you how much that helped.
Yeah I on thinking on it more I don't think I would find it creepy now. I expect my Mom will do the same thing at some point as she's very practical like her Mom was. I just don't like thinking about her being gone though we're all now at the age where the inevitable is sooner rather then later. I expect that's why Mom initially felt uncomfortable when her Mom did it.
I was a lot younger at the time it happened where 'death' was a more abstract concept so when Grandma gave me the tea cups and pieces of jewelry and talked about her death and me remembering her I was creeped out. Looking back though I'm really thankful it did happen that way because it was more like a gift and something the two of us shared. She did the same thing with all of her Grandkids.
403 | pingjockey Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:31am |
re: #389 Cato the Elder
The Russians take the victory in the "Great Patriotic War" very seriously. I see no good reason why we shouldn't march in that parade.
404 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:56am |
re: #374 reine.de.tout
Oh yes, I should have mentioned-Personal stuff that stays personal-
Oh and don't sleep with the boss's spouse.
:)>
405 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:57am |
Huh. Someone responded to my post about abolishing the DoE, and they had a reason to keep the fifty billion dollar a year, DoE. Because, without Federal oversight, some states might start teaching "Jesusology".
Okay. That's a point. (fucking southerners again?)
Worth fifty billion dollars? There's not another way to stop that?
406 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:56:59am |
re: #398 Cato the Elder
In memory of our joint defeat of Hitler, I would have no fucking problem with that. The Russians suffered more to bring down Nazism than any other three armed opponents of Germany combined.
Gawd, I hate the smell of squeaky-clean, self-righteous LGF wingnuts in the morning!
Define wingnut please.
407 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:57:13am |
A funny story (well, to me, maybe to others), then off to the doc's office.
My mom and grandmother both collected antiques and old furniture.
Growing up, my mom and her sister had "convent beds" - 4-poster beds used in convents, smaller than a standard single bed. I think these beds were about 5'3" long.
So my mom and my aunt were both about 5'2, and slept in these beds until they grew up.
They married, had kids of their own, and each one took her own bed. I got my mom's bed. I'm 5'6" and a bit.
Growing up, I just accepted that that bed was what I had, and that I had to use it, even though my FEET HUNG OFF THE END.
It wasn't until I was grown and talking with my Mom about it once, that I realized she never knew that I spent my teen years sleeping in a bed that was shorter than I am. It just never occurred to her that I wouldn't fit in that bed; and it never occurred to me, growing up, to point it out.
408 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:57:14am |
re: #385 filetandrelease
snip>
Old news, but I missed it the first time around. Down is the new up.
Eh, I think that's appropriate. VE day remains one of the two most important days in the 20th century.
Good morning all,
William
409 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:57:26am |
re: #403 pingjockey
The Russians take the victory in the "Great Patriotic War" very seriously. I see no good reason why we shouldn't march in that parade.
Let us not forget that the bulk of the German army was tied up on the Eastern front. We had a tough enough time defeating only a fraction of it...
410 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:57:54am |
re: #400 filetandrelease
Right, let our soldiers salute Lenin in Red Square, I am sure each and every one of them will feel honored. It makes me want to puke.
And Obama is his own master, a true legend in his own mind.
Puke somewhere else, asshole. You've stunk up the place enough for one day.
411 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:58:02am |
re: #392 Locker
And constantly and compulsively stating and emphasizing his middle name is a thinly veiled assertion that he is a Muslim.
Barack HUSSEIN Obama
BHO
HUSSEIN!
Which, bizarrely enough, is an accusation I've heard from the same dark corners which also agitated about our dear friend Reverend Wright.
The prez is neither a seekrit Muslim nor a seekrit fanatical adherent of Rev. Wright...but sheesh...worrying that he's BOTH is like worrying that the NSA has an earthquake machine...
412 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:58:29am |
413 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:58:35am |
re: #410 Cato the Elder
Puke somewhere else, asshole. You've stunk up the place enough for one day.
Bite me piss ant
414 | pingjockey Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:58:53am |
re: #409 ralphieboy
When I was stationed in Rhode Island back in the mid 80s they still had a parade for VJ day.
415 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:59:10am |
re: #411 Aceofwhat?
Which, bizarrely enough, is an accusation I've heard from the same dark corners which also agitated about our dear friend Reverend Wright.
The prez is neither a seekrit Muslim nor a seekrit fanatical adherent of Rev. Wright...but sheesh...worrying that he's BOTH is like worrying that the NSA has an earthquake machine...
Accusations against a president one does not like do not have to be consistent or grounded in any facts, they just have to be sinister...
416 | garhighway Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:59:21am |
re: #411 Aceofwhat?
Which, bizarrely enough, is an accusation I've heard from the same dark corners which also agitated about our dear friend Reverend Wright.
The prez is neither a seekrit Muslim nor a seekrit fanatical adherent of Rev. Wright...but sheesh...worrying that he's BOTH is like worrying that the NSA has an earthquake machine...
I worry that they DON'T have one.
I WANT the NSA to have an earthquake machine. That would be way cool.
418 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:59:35am |
419 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 6:59:51am |
re: #409 ralphieboy
Let us not forget that the bulk of the German army was tied up on the Eastern front. We had a tough enough time defeating only a fraction of it...
My favorite Patton quote:
"Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I'd shoot a snake!"
- General George S. Patton, Jr (addressing his troops before Operation Overlord, June 5, 1944)
420 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:01am |
can we get the lunch lady in here to break up the food fight?
421 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:16am |
re: #416 garhighway
I worry that they DON'T have one.
I WANT the NSA to have an earthquake machine. That would be way cool.
Hell, as much as we pay in taxes, and as large as No Such Agency's budget is reputed to be, they damned sure BETTER have at least one earthquake machine. Value for the money, after all.
422 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:23am |
423 | Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:25am |
re: #382 reine.de.tout
I'll also add this:
Before they died, they gave me authority to sign their checks from checking accounts and to withdraw money from their stock accounts, and power of attorney.That gave me access to their funds and the authority to act on their behalf and to pay expenses related to my parents' care and their death, without having to get court orders to do it.
Yeah I already have power of attorney for my parents and know I'm the executer. I've talked to my sisters about it to make sure that there's no hard feelings and both of them are happy enough to not have that much responsibility. They appreciate what it entails and means in the future, which is cool.
424 | Locker Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:00:43am |
re: #395 ralphieboy
Stressing the "Hussein" is another one of those dog whistle things, no point in calling people out on it, it just provokes their counter-charges...
So there's a point to you calling people out on this stuff but not me? The point is to highlight the behavior and I'm really not concerned about the counter-charges of anyone who exhibits these types of behavior.
425 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:02am |
re: #385 filetandrelease
snip>Old news, but I missed it the first time around. Down is the new up.
Without the Russians, WWII is lost.
Even Vizzini knows that you ' never get involved in a land war in Asia".
426 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:06am |
re: #384 reine.de.tout
Exactly. I ended up being very surprised at the extent of my parents' estate. We're not talking huge and wealthy, but it was substantially more than I thought it would be. And my hubby and I have provided for ourselves quite acceptably, and had no need for any "inheritance".
I do wish I could get back my grandmother's dresser. I was her namesake, and - well, I would just like to have it.
Same here. And the actual effect is that I got a great deal of financial security, which reduces work stress a great deal since I know there is a safety net there.
My brother converted a chunk of his inheritance into land. He has 85 acres (two contiguous parcels) of fields and woodlot and plans to eventually build a customized house on it. (And last I checked he also had permission from the township zoning board to put up a small windmill for power.)
And the largess goes out from there. I'm a major donor to my fraternity's education programs. Plus annual donations to some other educational institutions. I financed a friend's attempt to start up a business selling hot sauce, which has since evolved into half ownership. Plus some minor "bailouts" for a few friends facing rough times. General "patron" activities.
And it lets me support a perfectly hedonistic lifestyle.
:)
427 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:24am |
re: #412 Cato the Elder
Look in the mirror.
So you have no definition. You just like to hurl insults at people that don't share your beliefs.
Progressive!
428 | Spider Mensch Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:36am |
re: #401 ralphieboy
Could they all stand on the Balcony of Jefferson Memorial and wave?
if they're 20 year old slim russian females in tight mini skirts?...I see no problem...))))
429 | Locker Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:49am |
re: #411 Aceofwhat?
Which, bizarrely enough, is an accusation I've heard from the same dark corners which also agitated about our dear friend Reverend Wright.
The prez is neither a seekrit Muslim nor a seekrit fanatical adherent of Rev. Wright...but sheesh...worrying that he's BOTH is like worrying that the NSA has an earthquake machine...
A double agent!
430 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:01:59am |
re: #387 NJDhockeyfan
Could be worse...the Russians could have been invited to march down Pennsylvania Ave.
I'd pay to go see that parade simply to watch the heads explode.
431 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:02:15am |
re: #400 filetandrelease
Right, let our soldiers salute Lenin in Red Square, I am sure each and every one of them will feel honored. It makes me want to puke.
And Obama is his own master, a true legend in his own mind.
Surely celebrating Hitler's defeat does not require full-throated, mindless genuflection to the measurable evils which haunt Russia's past?
I'll bet Reagan dreamed of a day when we could celebrate this sort of holiday in this sort of manner. Sure as hell beats staring at each other with fingers hovering over the big red button, doesn't it??
432 | pingjockey Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:02:24am |
re: #422 Cannadian Club Akbar
What? I knew he had tied into the Konspiracy Kook Aid, but that bad? The man was a Navy SEAL, wonder what has got into him?
433 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:03:12am |
434 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:03:20am |
re: #432 pingjockey
What? I knew he had tied into the Konspiracy Kook Aid, but that bad? The man was a Navy SEAL, wonder what has got into him?
Those Mark I tracking chips were kinda buggy.
435 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:04:32am |
re: #432 pingjockey
What? I knew he had tied into the Konspiracy Kook Aid, but that bad? The man was a Navy SEAL, wonder what has got into him?
He did a program on it. This isn't the show, but what he believes.
[Link: beforeitsnews.com...]
436 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:04:47am |
re: #423 Jadespring
Yeah I already have power of attorney for my parents and know I'm the executer. I've talked to my sisters about it to make sure that there's no hard feelings and both of them are happy enough to not have that much responsibility. They appreciate what it entails and means in the future, which is cool.
It's more work than you realize, even for a simple estate.
But an honor that your parents trust you to handle it, and do right.
437 | pingjockey Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:05:08am |
re: #430 oaktree
I'm retired navy and some Russian ships got to pull into San Diego. Just normal squids. Having theRussians march in one of our parades or us in one of theirs is a fine thing. The troops all go out and get loaded and solve all the problems and tell the diplofucks to go piss up a rope.
438 | Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:05:10am |
re: #425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Without the Russians, WWII is lost.
Even Vizzini knows that you ' never get involved in a land war in Asia".
More than that - I personally believe that Russia would have won the European War on its own.
After the Battle of Britain, the Germans were never going to take the UK. However, without the intervention of the US (and a bit of crazy luck), D-Day would never have succeeded. And so without the intervention of the US, all of Europe may have ended up Russian.
After Stalingrad, Nazi Germany was doomed. It was only a matter of time. And all of Europe, not just the East, may have been Soviet vassal states without US intervention.
439 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:05:20am |
re: #425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Without the Russians, WWII is lost.
Even Vizzini knows that you ' never get involved in a land war in Asia".
Hitler biggest mistake of the war for sure.
Non the less, for the first time in 65 years U.S. solders will march past Lenin. I find it offensive, as do many.
Appeasing the bear isn't going to work.
440 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:05:32am |
441 | pingjockey Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:05:39am |
442 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:06:01am |
Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.
This makes 26 for the Babushka.
443 | pingjockey Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:06:16am |
re: #435 Cannadian Club Akbar
Thanks. Have to look later.
444 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:06:38am |
re: #442 Alouette
Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.
This makes 26 for the Babushka.
Moved from the platoon level to the brigade now, eh?
445 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:06:58am |
re: #442 Alouette
Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.
This makes 26 for the Babushka.
Congrats to you and the parents!
Great news!
(We Catholics just looooove to hear 'bout the birthing of babies!)
447 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:07:08am |
re: #442 Alouette
Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.
This makes 26 for the Babushka.
My gosh you have a fertile family!!!
448 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:07:36am |
re: #431 Aceofwhat?
Yes, and I agree, except that Russia is again becoming aggressive. Putin no doubt is both pleased and humored.
449 | Joo-LiZ Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:08:28am |
re: #442 Alouette
Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.
This makes 26 for the Babushka.
Mazel Tov!!!!!
450 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:08:38am |
re: #447 Cannadian Club Akbar
My gosh you have a fertile family!!!
We are the primary breeding stock for Zionist Overlords.
451 | Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:09:19am |
re: #407 reine.de.tout
A funny story (well, to me, maybe to others), then off to the doc's office.
My mom and grandmother both collected antiques and old furniture.
Growing up, my mom and her sister had "convent beds" - 4-poster beds used in convents, smaller than a standard single bed. I think these beds were about 5'3" long.
So my mom and my aunt were both about 5'2, and slept in these beds until they grew up.
They married, had kids of their own, and each one took her own bed. I got my mom's bed. I'm 5'6" and a bit.
Growing up, I just accepted that that bed was what I had, and that I had to use it, even though my FEET HUNG OFF THE END.
It wasn't until I was grown and talking with my Mom about it once, that I realized she never knew that I spent my teen years sleeping in a bed that was shorter than I am. It just never occurred to her that I wouldn't fit in that bed; and it never occurred to me, growing up, to point it out.
Too funny.
My current bed was my Great Grandparents and the one my Grandparents used. It has a beautifully carved head board and looks really nice. When the bed was taken apart to move to my place we realized that Grandpa had already modified the part the mattress sits on to make it longer. It's hilarious because it's this weird DIY where he used fence wire and what looks like a pieces of wood from the barn. I love it because it represents my who my Grandparents were so well.
452 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:09:19am |
re: #450 Alouette
We are the primary breeding stock for Zionist Overlords.
Ya, about that. My check still hasn't arrived.
/
453 | pingjockey Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:11:09am |
re: #439 filetandrelease
I don't see how marching in a parade celebrating the defeat of the nazis is going to appease anyone. Do you really think the Russian people still revere Lenin? Putin wants to be a Tsar or Stalin, IMO. But a group of our troops doesn't amount to squat.
455 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:12:55am |
re: #439 filetandrelease
Doesn't bother me a bit. And I'm a wingnut.
The Russians lost MILLIONS in WWII. I honor their sacrifice.
From Wiki?
United States deaths in WWII... Military 416,800, Civilian 1,700.
Russian deaths in WWII... Estimated, Military 8.8 million to 10.7 million, Civilian 12,254,000 to 14,154,000...
Almost half of the deaths in WWII were Soviet. 1,000,000 Soviet Jews were killed in the Holocaust.
456 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:13:13am |
re: #448 filetandrelease
Yes, and I agree, except that Russia is again becoming aggressive. Putin no doubt is both pleased and humored.
Bah. Not acting nutty on an important day like this gives us credibility to not be nutty when we need to tell Putin to stop thinking about re-annexing the old USSR club.
This isn't capitulation in the least...i don't know why you would feel it is. To me, it's like an international form of easy bipartisanship. You cross the aisle on clear winners so that you have the moral high ground when you need to tell the other party that they're acting dumber than a bag of hair.
457 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:13:13am |
458 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:13:46am |
re: #432 pingjockey
What? I knew he had tied into the Konspiracy Kook Aid, but that bad? The man was a Navy SEAL, wonder what has got into him?
I hate to say it but I knew a number of SpecOps when I as in - the percentage of conspiracy believers is quite a bit higher than the general population.
Think about it - take intelligent people, teach them to kill in a myriad of ways & then put them in situations where paranoia is a survival trait... I'm more surprised that more of them aren't nuts.
William
459 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:14:05am |
re: #457 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You're still counting?
Congrats!
Yea, but makes you wonder how many fingers she has!!
/
460 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:14:11am |
re: #451 Jadespring
Too funny.
My current bed was my Great Grandparents and the one my Grandparents used. It has a beautifully carved head board and looks really nice. When the bed was taken apart to move to my place we realized that Grandpa had already modified the part the mattress sits on to make it longer. It's hilarious because it's this weird DIY where he used fence wire and what looks like a pieces of wood from the barn. I love it because it represents my who my Grandparents were so well.
Kinda reminds me of when I was going through my grandfather's stuff and came across his Mason's apron, neatly and tightly rolled in its tube. Open it up and unroll it, and there's a half-pack of Camel filterless smokes and an ancient pack of book matches. (He'd supposedly quit when he got married.)
461 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:14:27am |
Ack.
Before I go.
If CATO is still here, an answer to a question from another evening, and I appreciate the question rather than an accusation that I must mean THIS or THAT when I didn't.
The wikileaks video - whose "side" would I put those people on?
In my comment that you were referring to, I said (paraphrasing here) that I don't particularly like dishonest "news" packaged and presented as truth by either side. I used "side" because I was speaking generally, that term is commonly used, and it came to my mind as I was writing.
You asked which "side" I thought the wikileaks people were on.
They seem like an unclassifiable mixed bag of unpleasantness.
A better phrase would have been, I don't like dishonest news packaged and presented as truth no matter who does it.
I think I've been very consistent with that.
That is all.
463 | researchok Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:14:43am |
re: #442 Alouette
Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.
This makes 26 for the Babushka.
Congrats- and congrats 25 more times for the ones I missed.
464 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:14:58am |
re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yea, but makes you wonder how many fingers she has!!
/
Gotta count those toes, too.
465 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:15:21am |
re: #453 pingjockey
It is an emotional reaction for sure, perhaps a bit over done. Which is one reason I come here. Let me just say it doesn't sit right with me.
And I really don't know how the Russian people in general feel about Lenin. But it is being reported that our troops will be saluting him.
466 | pingjockey Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:15:24am |
Later folks, off to work. Y'all have a good day.
467 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:15:35am |
re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar
(She won't get as many dings as she has grandchildren, though we should try to make sure she does)
468 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:16:04am |
re: #464 reine.de.tout
Gotta count those toes, too.
I can only count to 21 when I'm nekkid. Just sayin'.
/
469 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:16:20am |
re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yea, but makes you wonder how many fingers she has!!
/
I have a degree in Math.
470 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:16:23am |
472 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:17:23am |
re: #468 Cannadian Club Akbar
I can only count to 21 when I'm nekkid. Just sayin'.
/
wait...you're a eunuch?
(too much...?)
473 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:17:44am |
re: #431 Aceofwhat?
Surely celebrating Hitler's defeat does not require full-throated, mindless genuflection to the measurable evils which haunt Russia's past?
I'll bet Reagan dreamed of a day when we could celebrate this sort of holiday in this sort of manner. Sure as hell beats staring at each other with fingers hovering over the big red button, doesn't it??
Yes, it surely does. And now I'm off to an interview. Wish me luck, BBL.
474 | lawhawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:17:48am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Why are so many people getting bent out of shape over the fact that some US forces are going to be marching in Russia to memorialize the end of WWII in Europe? At the time the Allied Forces were fighting the Nazis and Japanese - and the then Soviets were getting the brunt of the Nazi fighting power directed at them. Millions of Soviets were killed in some of the most brutal fighting ever witnessed. When you think of tank battles, all pale in comparison to the massive tank battles on the steppes of the former Soviet Union. Sieges take on new significance when you mention Stalingrad. Moscow was itself directly threatened by significant land forces until the Soviets managed to stop the Nazi advances.
They take the victory over the Nazis very seriously, as should we.
Saluting this victory in an appropriate manner - marching in a parade saluting those who helped defeat the Nazis is a good thing. Whatever political differences we had then (and have still) were overcome by the desire to rid the planet of a true evil. Maybe there's a lesson to be learned in that as well.
475 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:18:09am |
476 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:18:20am |
re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It is very sad what the Germans did when crossing through Russia. Far worse than most realize.
477 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:18:42am |
Another classy moment at MSNBC...
Mike Barnicle insisting that John McCain is more scared of conservative primary challenger J.D. Hayworth than he ever was of his Vietnamese captors who tortured him. From the April 14, 2010 edition of MSNBC's "Morning Joe"
478 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:18:58am |
re: #473 Dark_Falcon
Yes, it surely does. And now I'm off to an interview. Wish me luck, BBL.
kill it, DF. and if they screw with the pay scale on your first day, give them the finger for me!
479 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:18:59am |
re: #473 Dark_Falcon
Yes, it surely does. And now I'm off to an interview. Wish me luck, BBL.
Good luck!
480 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:19:58am |
re: #473 Dark_Falcon
Yes, it surely does. And now I'm off to an interview. Wish me luck, BBL.
Just go in with the smooth confidence that this job may or may not be the right one, and that it would be at least as much a disaster to take the wrong job as it would be to take no job at all.
481 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:20:14am |
re: #427 NJDhockeyfan
So you have no definition. You just like to hurl insults at people that don't share your beliefs.
Progressive!
I have a definition for what goes on here in the morning with Mandy, you, and various other ancillary wingnuts (look up the etymology of "ancillary" and please, be insulted - it's meant that way!):
It's a link-spamming, tendentious, Fox-Newsesque imitation of a news service, always finished before Charles wakes up. LGF's very own WPI (Wingnut Press International).
Much appreciated for its transparency.
482 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:20:59am |
re: #477 NJDhockeyfan
Another classy moment at MSNBC...
Mike Barnicle insisting that John McCain is more scared of conservative primary challenger J.D. Hayworth than he ever was of his Vietnamese captors who tortured him. From the April 14, 2010 edition of MSNBC's "Morning Joe"
[Video]
That guy is a jackoff.
483 | Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:21:14am |
re: #460 Guanxi88
Kinda reminds me of when I was going through my grandfather's stuff and came across his Mason's apron, neatly and tightly rolled in its tube. Open it up and unroll it, and there's a half-pack of Camel filterless smokes and an ancient pack of book matches. (He'd supposedly quit when he got married.)
:D My Grandfathers domain was the basement where his workshop was. When we were clearing it out we found a few Playboy magazines from the fifties tucked away behind a workbench.
Grandpa!!
LOL the family got a huge laugh with that discovery.
484 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:23:35am |
re: #476 filetandrelease
So, let's honor the Russian people for the sacrifices that they made. Let's march with them, let's show solidarity. We defeated a common enemy.
It's all good.
485 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:23:55am |
re: #483 Jadespring
All too often, we forget that the people we love and who made us who were are were human beings.
486 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:24:15am |
re: #481 Cato the Elder
I have a definition for what goes on here in the morning with Mandy, you, and various other ancillary wingnuts (look up the etymology of "ancillary" and please, be insulted - it's meant that way!):
It's a link-spamming, tendentious, Fox-Newsesque imitation of a news service, always finished before Charles wakes up. LGF's very own WPI (Wingnut Press International).
Much appreciated for its transparency.
So the links to DKos, Think Progress, HuffPo, and various other far left websites is just fine with you.
Since I've been here LGF has always welcomed points of view from both sides. If you don't like it, tough shit. Go post at DU for some group think to your liking.
487 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:25:51am |
re: #461 reine.de.tout
Ack.
Before I go.
If CATO is still here, an answer to a question from another evening, and I appreciate the question rather than an accusation that I must mean THIS or THAT when I didn't.The wikileaks video - whose "side" would I put those people on?
In my comment that you were referring to, I said (paraphrasing here) that I don't particularly like dishonest "news" packaged and presented as truth by either side. I used "side" because I was speaking generally, that term is commonly used, and it came to my mind as I was writing.
You asked which "side" I thought the wikileaks people were on.
They seem like an unclassifiable mixed bag of unpleasantness.
A better phrase would have been, I don't like dishonest news packaged and presented as truth no matter who does it.
I think I've been very consistent with that.
That is all.
In what way was the Wikileaks revelation dishonest?
Certainly not in the way O'Keefe's pimp tapes were. Wikileaks provided the entire unedited tapes for viewing.
488 | compound idaho Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:26:19am |
re: #321 Decatur Deb
Does anyone think their boss should review the appropriateness of their LGF blogging?
I am self employed and often question the appropriateness of my LGF blogging!
489 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:27:04am |
On the subject of surprises tucked away by aged relatives for later discovery, I recall helping my mother and her brothers and sisters clean out my grandfather's shoe closet (the man grew up sharing a pair of beat-up work shoes with his brother; when he got some money, he went all Imelda Marcos) and finding, in a pair of very spiffy boots, a roll of twenties thick enough to choke a horse, a 32 Beretta, and a small card with the word "Ducky" written on it in Pa's fine, spidery script. Mysterious.
490 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:27:18am |
re: #481 Cato the Elder
I confess, to a degree you are right about me. You see, I get up and drink some coffee and read various sights on the Internet. Sometimes I find a story that interest me and want the opinion of others with whom I respect.
Generally on this sight I can get a variety of responses to help me understand the article of interest better. Usually with out petty insults by those who may disagree with my take.
Usually by the time Charles wakes up I actually have to start my days activities of running my business. It is not a game of hide and seek.
491 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:27:27am |
re: #488 compound idaho
You are absolved, my tater. 56 posts in four months is a wise use of time.
492 | Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:28:09am |
re: #485 Guanxi88
All too often, we forget that the people we love and who made us who were are were human beings.
That's why I loved it when those were found. It was so out of character for the person that we knew. The only person who was offended and wanted it to be hush, hush was Grandmas sister. My Mom and her siblings thought it was a great discovery and very funny.
493 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:28:24am |
re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Is it OK if I just have a toast to their honor? I'm thinking a good single malt?
494 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:28:27am |
re: #487 Cato the Elder
In what way was the Wikileaks revelation dishonest?
Certainly not in the way O'Keefe's pimp tapes were. Wikileaks provided the entire unedited tapes for viewing.
really? why edit a tape dishonestly unless your aim is to edit a tape dishonestly?
495 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:29:06am |
re: #493 filetandrelease
Well, if you don't have any vodka... Sure...
496 | lawhawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:29:18am |
re: #487 Cato the Elder
Actually, the tape in question was not provided in full at first. Only an edited version that didn't show the lead up to the shooting incident was presented at first. Later, a version that did include showing that insurgents were operating in the vicinity of the Reuters team was presented, and even that version wasn't a complete version.
497 | Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:29:19am |
re: #489 Guanxi88
On the subject of surprises tucked away by aged relatives for later discovery, I recall helping my mother and her brothers and sisters clean out my grandfather's shoe closet (the man grew up sharing a pair of beat-up work shoes with his brother; when he got some money, he went all Imelda Marcos) and finding, in a pair of very spiffy boots, a roll of twenties thick enough to choke a horse, a 32 Beretta, and a small card with the word "Ducky" written on it in Pa's fine, spidery script. Mysterious.
That's awesome.
498 | prairiefire Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:29:31am |
I would like to state as a Liberal, I try to click through the links to the original source of the article I read on DKos, Think Progress, and or Huffington Post. I think they are useful news aggregates. If it is news a conservative does not like, so be it.
499 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:29:31am |
re: #487 Cato the Elder
In what way was the Wikileaks revelation dishonest?
Certainly not in the way O'Keefe's pimp tapes were. Wikileaks provided the entire unedited tapes for viewing.
Agree with those points.
They edited the tape specifically for political impact.
Wikileaks admitted that, and I said in that thread I preferrred the guy's honesty on that point to a cover-up such as the one done with the O'Keefe tapes. There was also an admission by wikileaks that only 10% of those who watched the doctored tape ever got around to watching the full tape.
The wikileaks tape FEATURED by them was edited and presented dishonestly. I just can't see it any other way. And - I don't like it.
500 | Joo-LiZ Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:29:33am |
re: #490 filetandrelease
I confess, to a degree you are right about me. You see, I get up and drink some coffee and read various sights on the Internet. Sometimes I find a story that interest me and want the opinion of others with whom I respect.
Generally on this sight I can get a variety of responses to help me understand the article of interest better. Usually with out petty insults by those who may disagree with my take.
Usually by the time Charles wakes up I actually have to start my days activities of running my business. It is not a game of hide and seek.
Amen.
I'm much the same way, and when I do have time, I pop back in and follow whatever conversation is going on. Even when I don't always have something valuable to contribute, I always get something valuable out of everyone else's contributions.
501 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:30:06am |
re: #494 Aceofwhat?
really? why edit a tape dishonestly unless your aim is to edit a tape dishonestly?
Your assumption that it was done dishonestly begs the question. Id est, quid erit demonstrandum.
503 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:30:40am |
re: #497 Jadespring
That's awesome.
The gun and the cash weren't all that outta character for Pa (he kept too much cash on hand, and always seemed to have a pistol tucked away somewhere. It was the "Ducky" thing that was the mystery. Who or what was "Ducky" and why should the card be in association with cash and a pistol stashed in boots, especially since Pa never wore boots?
504 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:30:57am |
re: #496 lawhawk
Actually, the tape in question was not provided in full at first. Only an edited version that didn't show the lead up to the shooting incident was presented at first. Later, a version that did include showing that insurgents were operating in the vicinity of the Reuters team was presented, and even that version wasn't a complete version.
The AK 47s and rocket launchers were sort of missing from the initial tape weren't they?
505 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:31:17am |
re: #495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
LOL, you know, that didn't occur to me, perhaps a nice martini is in order.
506 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:31:33am |
re: #496 lawhawk
Actually, the tape in question was not provided in full at first. Only an edited version that didn't show the lead up to the shooting incident was presented at first. Later, a version that did include showing that insurgents were operating in the vicinity of the Reuters team was presented, and even that version wasn't a complete version.
As I understand it, that's because 20 minutes are missing and described as "lost" by the Pentagon.
Riiight.
507 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:32:58am |
re: #501 Cato the Elder
Your assumption that it was done dishonestly begs the question. Id est, quid erit demonstrandum.
no, my statement that it was edited dishonestly is function of the answer provided by the unedited version.
Nous avons deja repondus a la question que tu continues a poser...
508 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:33:13am |
re: #500 Joo-LiZ
Me too, early and late, and this time of year often I am lucky if I can sneak in and just read a bit.
509 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:33:50am |
re: #505 filetandrelease
LOL, you know, that didn't occur to me, perhaps a nice martini is in order.
NOW you're letting the Russkies influence you in a negative manner. Martinis contain gin. Vodka is a big tasteless waste of time...
510 | Joo-LiZ Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:33:51am |
So I'm listening to Pandora radio and the Gladiator theme just popped on.
Sent me right back into a Gladiator-watching mood. That was a really well made movie.
511 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:34:11am |
re: #498 prairiefire
I would like to state as a Liberal, I try to click through the links to the original source of the article I read on DKos, Think Progress, and or Huffington Post. I think they are useful news aggregates. If it is news a conservative does not like, so be it.
Upding! I try not to post links directly to blogs. Too many lizards will call me on that. Shit, they don't like most of the MSM news websites I link to. This is a tough crowd sometimes.
512 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:35:07am |
re: #504 NJDhockeyfan
The AK 47s and rocket launchers were sort of missing from the initial tape weren't they?
yep. thus it is no longer an assumption that their tape was selectively edited.
513 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:35:19am |
re: #509 Aceofwhat?
NOW you're letting the Russkies influence you in a negative manner. Martinis contain gin. Vodka is a big tasteless waste of time...
Martini's are either gin or vodka.
514 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:36:04am |
re: #513 Cannadian Club Akbar
Martini's are either gin or vodka.
Only in these degenerate times. Vodka and vermouth is a commie cocktail; gin and vermouth is a martini, or would be, in more civilized times.
515 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:37:29am |
re: #513 Cannadian Club Akbar
Martini's are either gin or vodka.
Dude. that's like saying turkey is either turkey or tofu/
516 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:38:01am |
If my calculations are correct, the Grifter Skank and her Tea-Party Express bus will be passing through Baltimore sometime this morning on the way to Washington for the main Teabonics rally.
Would it be wrong of me to hope they get stuck in a particularly non-Real American section of town for a while? Say, just long enough for the locals to find out who's on the bus?
517 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:38:29am |
re: #481 Cato the Elder
I have a definition for what goes on here in the morning with Mandy, you, and various other ancillary wingnuts (look up the etymology of "ancillary" and please, be insulted - it's meant that way!):
It's a link-spamming, tendentious, Fox-Newsesque imitation of a news service, always finished before Charles wakes up. LGF's very own WPI (Wingnut Press International).
Much appreciated for its transparency.
I enjoy the "wrap up" of news items posted by NJHF and Mandy, and Dr. Cordell, and Ludwig and anyone else who wants to pass something on to us.
518 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:38:31am |
Well I'll be...Heath Shuler did not hear the "N-word" on March 20.
It may be the most celebrated missing recording since Watergate: the nonexistent or unaccounted-for video of the tea-party protesters at the Capitol who three black congressmen claim yelled racial slurs at them on March 20, the eve of ObamaCare's enactment. Jesse Washington, who covers the race beat for the Associated Press, tries to get to the bottom of things. Although he falls well short of establishing the truth or falsehood of the allegation, he comes up with some interesting findings along the way.
There seems to be a little backtracking going on.
519 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:38:40am |
re: #514 Guanxi88
Only in these degenerate times. Vodka and vermouth is a commie cocktail; gin and vermouth is a martini, or would be, in more civilized times.
Most people don't want vermouth with either. But most order martini's rather than ordering a glass of vodka or gin. The latter makes them sound like an alky.:)
520 | darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:38:46am |
re: #506 Cato the Elder
As I understand it, that's because 20 minutes are missing and described as "lost" by the Pentagon.
Riiight.
Well, you know how messsy a big reel of film can get when it falls out of the container and uncoils in the back of a truck on a bumpy road. The fact that the guys driving it back to the US were able to re-spool as much of the tape that they did is a miracle to me.
It's like when Fox news accidentally grabbed a reel of film from a rally a year ago and aired it as part of a story on another rally in DC this winter. In one clip (showing the huge crowds from a year ago) the sky was blue and the trees had green leaves, then when the speakers were shown, the trees were bare and the sky was gray. Happens all the time.
521 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:39:21am |
522 | Jadespring Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:39:21am |
re: #503 Guanxi88
The gun and the cash weren't all that outta character for Pa (he kept too much cash on hand, and always seemed to have a pistol tucked away somewhere. It was the "Ducky" thing that was the mystery. Who or what was "Ducky" and why should the card be in association with cash and a pistol stashed in boots, especially since Pa never wore boots?
Sounds like a wonderful family "mystery" to contemplate. My Grandpa left us with a mystery though not as interesting as that. He would always say grace and he would mumble it. Mom said he did that as long as she could remember and when asked what he said, he never would say. It became this family thing to try to figure it out. I remember us grandkids purposely sitting beside him and leaning in to try to hear and no one ever got it. It got to the point where he promised that he would leave his 'grace' written in his will.
When he died and my aunt got the will one of the first things everyone asked was 'So what about the grace?"
It wasn't in there. :D
523 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:39:38am |
re: #509 Aceofwhat?
You mean all these years I only thought I was drinking martinis? Damn, years wasted, years....
525 | darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:40:12am |
re: #516 Cato the Elder
If my calculations are correct, the Grifter Skank and her Tea-Party Express bus will be passing through Baltimore sometime this morning on the way to Washington for the main Teabonics rally.
Would it be wrong of me to hope they get stuck in a particularly non-Real American section of town for a while? Say, just long enough for the locals to find out who's on the bus?
Grifter Skank will be in a private jet flying over Baltimore. The bus is filled with twenty somethings talking about how awesome she is.
526 | badger1970 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:40:29am |
re: #519 Cannadian Club Akbar
Most people don't want vermouth with either. But most order martini's rather than ordering a glass of vodka or gin. The latter makes them sound like an alky.:)
That's the way my folks take the meaning as but how much is a "wisp" of vermouth anyway?
527 | Spider Mensch Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:40:47am |
re: #514 Guanxi88
Only in these degenerate times. Vodka and vermouth is a commie cocktail; gin and vermouth is a martini, or would be, in more civilized times.
a commie cocktail is pulonium and vermouth, shaken not stirred. putin and his old buddies in the kgb have been known to make a few of those, wink wink, One for the road..so to speak. the best and last drink you'll ever have!
528 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:41:21am |
re: #527 Spider Mensch
a commie cocktail is pulonium and vermouth, shaken not stirred. putin and his old buddies in the kgb have been known to make a few of those, wink wink, One for the road..so to speak. the best and last drink you'll ever have!
Also known as Russian Vespers.
529 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:41:21am |
re: #516 Cato the Elder
Would it be wrong of me to hope they get stuck in a particularly non-Real American section of town for a while? Say, just long enough for the locals to find out who's on the bus?
Yes, but your wrong side makes me laugh, so i judge myself to contain less than the minimum moral fiber necessary to ask you to stop/
530 | darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:42:35am |
re: #503 Guanxi88
The gun and the cash weren't all that outta character for Pa (he kept too much cash on hand, and always seemed to have a pistol tucked away somewhere. It was the "Ducky" thing that was the mystery. Who or what was "Ducky" and why should the card be in association with cash and a pistol stashed in boots, especially since Pa never wore boots?
My guess is 'Ducky' was a friend/acquaintance of Pa's. He might have been staying at a nearby hotel for a couple of years and Pa was just watching his good boots for him.
531 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:42:38am |
re: #519 Cannadian Club Akbar
Most people don't want vermouth with either. But most order martini's rather than ordering a glass of vodka or gin. The latter makes them sound like an alky.:)
"Pink gin," I slurred to the bar-tender, after downing three gimlets in the space of a half hour.
"What the hell is that?" he asked back at me.
"Gin, on the rocks, with about 8 dashes of angostura. Put the bitters on the ice before you pour the gin, or don't, but pretend you did. I'll be happy either way."
532 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:42:42am |
re: #526 badger1970
That's the way my folks take the meaning as but how much is a "wisp" of vermouth anyway?
A wisp is the bartender picking up the vermouth bottle and setting it back down.:)
533 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:43:09am |
re: #530 darthstar
My guess is 'Ducky' was a friend/acquaintance of Pa's. He might have been staying at a nearby hotel for a couple of years and Pa was just watching his good boots for him.
Oddly enough, I do know that he was acquainted with a few such people. He had quite the existential amplitude, that man.
534 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:43:12am |
re: #521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was waiting on that.
May I interest you in an Apple-tini?
Wait...let me finish this Cosmo first/
535 | Spider Mensch Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:43:14am |
536 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:43:54am |
538 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:45:44am |
re: #537 prairiefire
Who was Ducky, indeed.
If we have this hard of a time figuring out what our own families are up to or meant by the stuff they leave behind, we can only sympathize and admire archaeologists, who try to do much the same thing over the space of centuries, for complete strangers.
539 | Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:45:46am |
re: #518 NJDhockeyfan
WSJ Op-ed are as bad as Fox. Don't believe the crap you read there.
540 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:45:48am |
re: #523 filetandrelease
You mean all these years I only thought I was drinking martinis? Damn, years wasted, years...
it's never too late to make a change for the better!/
541 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:45:48am |
re: #531 Guanxi88
"Pink gin," I slurred to the bar-tender, after downing three gimlets in the space of a half hour.
"What the hell is that?" he asked back at me.
"Gin, on the rocks, with about 8 dashes of angostura. Put the bitters on the ice before you pour the gin, or don't, but pretend you did. I'll be happy either way."
[Trapper has just opened a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer]
Hawkeye Pierce: I see you are a beer drinker, sir. Would you care for a martini?
Trapper John: A martini? Yeah, I'd love a martini.
Hawkeye Pierce: [to Ho-Jon] Ho-Jon, get the gentleman a martini.
[to Trapper]
Hawkeye Pierce: I'm sure you will find them satisfactory. They're quite dry.
[sips from his glass]
Trapper John: Don't you guys use olives?
Duke Forrest: Olives? Where in the hell do you think we are, man?
Hawkeye Pierce: We have had to make certain concessions for the war; we ARE three miles from the front line.
Trapper John: Yeah but without olives,
[reaches into coat pocket and pulls out a jar of cocktail olives - drops one into his glass]
Trapper John: a martini just doesn't quite make it.
[Hawkeye and Duke stare dumbfounded at the olive]
542 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:46:07am |
re: #536 Cannadian Club Akbar
I love a good cosmo. About once a year.
i just got goose bumps. and i don't mean that in a good way/
543 | Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:47:03am |
Malkin: How to spot and tag a Tea Party infiltrator
Happy Tax Day Tea Party. Be safe out there. A few tips on how to spot and tag a Tea Party infiltrator:
1. Ask them what the 10th amendment says.
2. Two letters: B.O. (and I’m not talking about the president’s initials).
3. Glaringly obvious lack of subtlety.
4. Upside-down flags.
544 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:47:04am |
re: #539 Killgore Trout
WSJ Op-ed are as bad as Fox. Don't believe the crap you read there.
Discrediting a news site again....never fails. Heh.
545 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:47:25am |
re: #539 Killgore Trout
WSJ Op-ed are as bad as Fox. Don't believe the crap you read there.
and yet they're 10x better than the NYT op-ed page. Best just to try to trace sources and reserve quick judgment, n'est-ce pas?
546 | Lidane Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:47:47am |
re: #498 prairiefire
I would like to state as a Liberal, I try to click through the links to the original source of the article I read on DKos, Think Progress, and or Huffington Post. I think they are useful news aggregates. If it is news a conservative does not like, so be it.
Yeah, this. I click through, read the original source, then decide if it's worth sharing or not.
That said, this is an absolutely fascinating article, complete with links to the original polling data:
Tea Partiers Get Their News From Fox And Are More Likely To Justify Violence Against The Government
Last night, the New York Times and CBS News released a poll finding that the “18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.” The poll, which “oversampled” Tea Party supporters “for the purpose of analysis” and “then weighted” them “to their proper proportion in the poll,” found that Tea Partiers are more likely than the general public to think President Obama “favors blacks over whites“:
The overwhelming majority of supporters say Mr. Obama does not share the values most Americans live by and that he does not understand the problems of people like themselves. More than half say the policies of the administration favor the poor, and 25 percent think that the administration favors blacks over whites — compared with 11 percent of the general public.
They are more likely than the general public, and Republicans, to say that too much has been made of the problems facing black people.
According to the poll, Tea Partiers are also more likely to believe that President Obama was born in another country, with 30 percent believing that compared to 20 percent of the general public. Supporters of the Tea Party are also more likely to believe that violence against the government is sometimes justified.
In terms of where the Tea Party turns for news, the poll found that 63 percent watch Fox News “most for information about politics and current events.” Additionally, 53 percent of Tea Partiers consider “shows hosted by people like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity” to be news rather than entertainment.
The Tea Partiers, who view Sarah Palin very favorably but aren’t sure she is ready to be president, have a distorted image of whether or not their views reflect America. According to the poll, 84 percent of Tea Partiers believe that “the views of the people involved in the Tea Party movement generally reflect the views of most Americans.” Only 25 percent of the general public, however, believe that the Tea Party reflects their views.
547 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:48:35am |
re: #545 Aceofwhat?
and yet they're 10x better than the NYT op-ed page. Best just to try to trace sources and reserve quick judgment, n'est-ce pas?
Doesn't work that way. If you don't like the story, claim the news company isn't credible.
548 | Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:48:40am |
re: #545 Aceofwhat?
Best just to try to trace sources and reserve quick judgment, n'est-ce pas?
No, It's best to ignore the crap you read from unreliable sources.
549 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:51:39am |
re: #546 Lidane
A post linked to Think Progress. Hahahahahaha! Now THAT"S not biased!
I get slammed for linking to legit newspapers but there is silence when a farl-left blog is linked to. This is just too funny. :)
550 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:51:39am |
re: #503 Guanxi88
The gun and the cash weren't all that outta character for Pa (he kept too much cash on hand, and always seemed to have a pistol tucked away somewhere. It was the "Ducky" thing that was the mystery. Who or what was "Ducky" and why should the card be in association with cash and a pistol stashed in boots, especially since Pa never wore boots?
i admit that the first thing i thought was that he just wanted to remember to buy a rubber ducky for one of his kids. then again, i forget to draw oxygen if i don't find a way to remind myself, so i'm probably projecting. (insert theories about possible Aceofwhat hypoxia-influenced opinions here)
551 | prairiefire Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:51:50am |
re: #547 NJDhockeyfan
Well, technically, an op-ed page isn't news, it is opinion. I would say the writers of the NYT or WSJ op-ed pages definitely have opinions.
552 | bosforus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:52:23am |
Oh no they didn't! The Hawaiian day party planning committee is setting up shop in the semi-formal conference area on the other side of my cubicle wall! ARGGGGH! As I'm typing one of them poked their head in and said, Oh, you've got your own littly cubey here, don't you?
How do I respond to such mindless blabber?
Uhhh, obviously, now get out of here!
Image: milton.jpg
553 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:53:06am |
re: #549 NJDhockeyfan
A post linked to Think Progress. Hahahahahaha! Now THAT"S not biased!
I get slammed for linking to legit newspapers but there is silence when a farl-left blog is linked to. This is just too funny. :)
YOU LINKED TO A PROG BLOG... oh my goodness.
555 | badger1970 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:53:22am |
re: #543 Killgore Trout
In WWII, to detect a German spy, the interrogator would ask the suspect to sing the Star Spangled Banner. If the suspect got to verses two and three....
556 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:53:31am |
re: #552 bosforus
Office Space references always get an upding from me!!
557 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:53:41am |
re: #548 Killgore Trout
No, It's best to ignore the crap you read from unreliable sources.
super. you ignore my sources and i'll ignore yours.
that's not how i want to do this, though...
558 | reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:54:17am |
re: #501 Cato the Elder
I cAme to that conclusion in the same manner I used to conclude the okeefe tapes were edited dishonestly. But I see lawhawk says the wikileaks didn't get the full tapes at first? Did I read that right?
On iPhone can't type bbl
559 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:54:22am |
re: #549 NJDhockeyfan
A post linked to Think Progress. Hahahahahaha! Now THAT"S not biased!
I get slammed for linking to legit newspapers but there is silence when a farl-left blog is linked to. This is just too funny. :)
What's funny is "farl-left", given that "farl" is actually a word. Ask Jimmah what it means.
560 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:54:39am |
re: #545 Aceofwhat?
Please forgive me, Ace... but isn't using the term "n'est-ce pas" just a teeny tiny ostentatious.
Unless, of course you are French or a French(esque) Cajun or Canadian... posting on a French blog.
Some of are barely monosyllabic. I for one, had four years of Grammar I.
Use the language of the people, man! Common man! Simple kind of man!
561 | badger1970 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:54:49am |
Who peed in whose cornflakes this morning? //
562 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:55:57am |
563 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:55:58am |
re: #560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Please forgive me, Ace... but isn't using the term "n'est-ce pas" just a teeny tiny ostentatious.
Unless, of course you are French or a French(esque) Cajun or Canadian... posting on a French blog.
Some of are barely monosyllabic. I for one, had four years of Grammar I.
Use the language of the people, man! Common man! Simple kind of man!
Je conviens.
564 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:56:00am |
re: #559 Cato the Elder
What's funny is "farl-left", given that "farl" is actually a word. Ask Jimmah what it means.
Sorry for the typo. I'm sure Jimmah will volunteer the definition.
565 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:56:34am |
566 | bosforus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:56:53am |
re: #556 Cannadian Club Akbar
Office Space references always get an upding from me!!
In that case I could just set up a webcam and you could upding my Office Space work day all long day. My karma would be insane!
567 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:57:24am |
re: #543 Killgore Trout
Malkin: How to spot and tag a Tea Party infiltrator
3. Glaringly obvious lack of subtlety.
Yeah, because the real Teabonics signs are so fucking glaringly subtel.
568 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:57:26am |
re: #564 NJDhockeyfan
Sorry for the typo. I'm sure Jimmah will volunteer the definition.
The email chain has already been launched... expect an answer in a few minutes.
569 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:57:30am |
571 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:57:49am |
re: #566 bosforus
In that case I could just set up a webcam and you could upding my Office Space work day all long day. My karma would be insane!
Not if you have the wrong stapler!!
572 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:57:55am |
re: #560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Please forgive me, Ace... but isn't using the term "n'est-ce pas" just a teeny tiny ostentatious.
Unless, of course you are French or a French(esque) Cajun or Canadian... posting on a French blog.
Some of are barely monosyllabic. I for one, had four years of Grammar I.
Use the language of the people, man! Common man! Simple kind of man!
I blame Cato. What can i say...i like the latin quotes and i get all continental!
(is this a bad time to admit that i hold my fork in my left hand and knife in right, not pausing to do the awkward switch?)
573 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 7:59:23am |
As Americans rush to complete their annual tax returns today, there is still some consolation in knowing that it could be worse: Like Europeans, we could pay both income taxes and a value-added tax, or VAT. And maybe we soon will. Paul Volcker, Nancy Pelosi, John Podesta and other allies of the Obama Administration have already floated the idea of an American VAT, so we thought you might like to know how it has worked in Europe.
A VAT is essentially a national sales tax that is assessed at each stage of production, with the bill passed along to consumers at the cash register. In Europe the average rate is a little under 20%. (See the nearby chart.) In the U.S., a federal VAT would presumably be levied on top of state and local sales taxes that range as high as 10%. Some nations also exempt food, medicine and certain other goods from the tax.
VATs were sold in Europe as a way to tax consumption, which in principle does less economic harm than taxing income, savings or investment. This sounds good, but in practice the VAT has rarely replaced the income tax, or even resulted in a lower income-tax rate. The top individual income tax rate remains very high in Europe despite the VAT, with an average on the continent of about 46%.
Europe's individual income tax rates have fallen since the 1980s, following the U.S. lead in the Reagan era, and European corporate tax rates have come down even more sharply. But the drive of this decline has been global tax competition, not the offsetting burden of the VAT.
In the U.S., VAT proponents aren't calling for a repeal of the 16th Amendment that allowed the income tax—and, in fact, they want income tax rates to rise. The White House has promised to let the top individual rate increase in January to 39.6% from 35% as the Bush tax cuts expire, while the dividend rate will go to 39.6% from 15% and the capital gains rate to 20% next year and 23.8% in 2013 under the health bill, from 15% today. Even with these higher rates, or because of them, revenues won't come close to paying for the Obama Administration's new spending—which is why it is also eyeing a VAT.
Happy Tax Day!
574 | Joo-LiZ Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:01:15am |
Wow... brilliant analysis by Max Singer over at JPost.
RTWT
A useful way to think about the possibility for peace between Israel and the Palestinians is to imagine that the Palestinians have been involved in a long-term internal debate. The two sides would be those who think they should continue the effort to eliminate Israel, and those who think the fight to destroy it has gone on long enough, and that it’s time for the Palestinians to pursue their own interests in peace and prosperity.
These two groups have constantly shifting memberships, all of whom have organizational and political interests which complicate their choice. To some extent, many individuals are divided in their own minds, so that the general debate is echoed within individuals.
It is important to note that the debate usually takes place in an environment where public (and even private) discussion is far from free. Providing certain information or expressing some views can be a risk for Palestinians.
Peace depends on those who are ready for winning the internal debate. While those who prefer to keep fighting are on top, there is no chance for a negotiated settlement. Serious negotiations can only begin when the predominant view is that it is necessary to give up the effort to destroy Israel.
There are two dominant issues in the debate. One is whether they have a serious chance of winning if they keep fighting. The other is whether making peace is honorable or shameful.
575 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:01:36am |
re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
ACK!
(I can speak Martian)
Gen. Decker: Liberals! Intellectuals! Peacemongers! IDIOTS!
576 | garhighway Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:01:44am |
re: #439 filetandrelease
Hitler biggest mistake of the war for sure.
Non the less, for the first time in 65 years U.S. solders will march past Lenin. I find it offensive, as do many.
Appeasing the bear isn't going to work.
Are there any other long-dead icons of failed ideologies that you forbid our troops from walking by?
578 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:03:18am |
579 | prairiefire Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:03:50am |
580 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:03:57am |
re: #575 Walter L. Newton
Gen. Decker: Liberals! Intellectuals! Peacemongers! IDIOTS!
"Sweetie, we may have to [meet with the Martians in the WHouse]"
"Well, they're not going to eat off the Van Buren china!"
581 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:04:04am |
Obamacare will make every day feel like April 15th
New taxes on investments, taxes on medical supplies, taxes on drugs and health insurance, and taxes on you if you are just breathing… the list of taxes Americans will face just got a lot longer thanks to ObamaCare.
The health overhaul plan just enacted represents the largest tax hike in U.S. history - $569 billion over 10 years through a dizzying array of taxes and fees that promise to frustrate taxpayers at every turn. ObamaCare will make every day feel like April 15th.
And despite President Obama’s campaign promise that no one making $250,000 or less would see a tax increase, Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation confirms that these tax hikes will hit millions of middle- and working-class families who are struggling to make ends meet.
582 | darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:05:49am |
re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
ACK!
(I can speak Martian)
583 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:05:53am |
re: #575 Walter L. Newton
Gen. Decker: Liberals! Intellectuals! Peacemongers! IDIOTS!
The Waco Kid: You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.
584 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:06:04am |
re: #578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
KT? May I ask?
Down-ding for content or source or poster?
it's weird either way. disagreeing with the WSJ's political opinions are one thing. disagreeing with their economic analysis, especially without providing counter-facts, is far more dicey.
585 | bosforus Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:06:12am |
re: #579 prairiefire
I'd never touch anything Creed touched let alone buy and swallow something from him.
That's what she said.
586 | darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:06:35am |
587 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:06:56am |
Before I head off back to my assigned duties, a little more gloating about life in sunny, free, and cheap Guadalupe County, Texas:
Saw the sheriff the other day bringing prisoners to the courthouse. Standing there with the butt of the shotgun propped on his hip, the man looked like the living, breathing embodiment of law and order.
And what was he doing as he stood there supervising? Chatting away in Spanish, English, and Spanglish with prisoners, cops, and passersby about the wonderful bluebonnets that the combination of long drought, a mild winter, and recent ample rains have given us. "My wife just goes nuts for those wildflowers. Best thing Ladybird ever did was get folk to plant them along the roads. If it's not too rainy, we'll do another flower-drive on Sunday, most likely."
588 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:07:12am |
re: #586 darthstar
(7,700 for me, still waiting tho...)
589 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:08:35am |
re: #584 Aceofwhat?
I just want to know. Not my business tho.
590 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:08:50am |
re: #572 Aceofwhat?
I blame Cato. What can i say...i like the latin quotes and i get all continental!
(is this a bad time to admit that i hold my fork in my left hand and knife in right, not pausing to do the awkward switch?)
Does anyone still do the switch?
591 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:09:19am |
592 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:09:32am |
re: #579 prairiefire
Kelly from "The Office":
[Video]
i love that she's also a writer and producer for the show. it took me a whole season to figure that out...she's genius.
593 | Joo-LiZ Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:09:38am |
594 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:09:59am |
re: #476 filetandrelease
It is very sad what the Germans did when crossing through Russia. Far worse than most realize.
That was a race war. With extreme prejudice, so to speak.
595 | Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:10:06am |
re: #578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
KT? May I ask?
Down-ding for content or source or poster?
Because it's more bullshit and conspiracy theory from Rupert Murdoch's propaganda network. VAT being implemented in the US anytime soon is not realistic. It's not going to happen. The wingnuts need thing to hyperventilate over so they just make shit up.
596 | darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:10:16am |
re: #588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
(7,700 for me, still waiting tho...)
Submitting my taxes today. I procrastinated this year.
598 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:11:31am |
re: #589 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just want to know. Not my business tho.
sure it is. i don't downding without a reason that i can articulate for anyone who's curious...but i don't downding much.
599 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:11:57am |
re: #591 Alouette
I do.
re: #593 Joo-LiZ
re: #591 Alouette
As do I
That's one one-hundredth of your lives wasted right there.
I don't even know how to do the switch. I was raised by scientists and artists.
Can you explain it to me in simple steps of one syllable or less? Or better yet, show me a diagram!
600 | darthstar Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:12:42am |
re: #590 Cato the Elder
Does anyone still do the switch?
Eating with your fork inverted in the left hand is the proper way. "The Switch" is an American mannerism learned from decades of eating TV Dinners from foil trays with spoons.
601 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:12:58am |
New jobless claims unexpectedly rise by 24,000
New weekly jobless claims unexpectedly rose by 24,000 to 484,000 last week, the government said this morning, increasing worries that high unemployment will stick around for a long time.
Forecasters had expected the new jobless claims number to come in at 430,000.
The four-week moving average, which smooths out volatility in the number, rose by 7,500 last week to 457,750.
Continuing claims rose from 4.57 million to 4.64 million.
602 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:13:09am |
re: #595 Killgore Trout
Because it's more bullshit and conspiracy theory from Rupert Murdoch's propaganda network. VAT being implemented in the US anytime soon is not realistic. It's not going to happen. The wingnuts need thing to hyperventilate over so they just make shit up.
Washington Post, May 27, 2009:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
"There is a growing awareness of the need for fundamental tax reform," Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said in an interview. "I think a VAT and a high-end income tax have got to be on the table."
Wall Street Journal, April 8, 2010:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Answering a question at the New York Historical Society on Tuesday, Mr. Volcker said that a VAT—a consumption tax levied along stages of production—"was not as toxic an idea" as it has been, and that both a VAT and some kind of tax on energy need to be on the table. "If at the end of the day we need to raise taxes, we should raise taxes," he said.
yeah, Murdoch and the wingnuts are just making it up.
603 | Joo-LiZ Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:13:24am |
re: #599 Cato the Elder
That's one one-hundredth of your lives wasted right there.
I don't even know how to do the switch. I was raised by scientists and artists.
Can you explain it to me in simple steps of one syllable or less? Or better yet, show me a diagram!
I'm an oddball though... I don't mix my food to much, so when I'm eating meat I eat with fork in left, knife in right... and when I'm done with the meat, I do the switch once and finish off all the sides with fork in right when I don't need the knife.
I'm not always going back and forth.
604 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:13:39am |
605 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:15:34am |
re: #602 Guanxi88
They were just reading a memo they received from Rupert Murdoch's propaganda network. They really don't mean it.
606 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:15:42am |
re: #600 darthstar
Eating with your fork inverted in the left hand is the proper way. "The Switch" is an American mannerism learned from decades of eating TV Dinners from foil trays with spoons.
No it's not. "...originated because the 17th century American colonists had established themselves before the fork, and any custom of its use, had become widespread in Europe. The implement did not become widespread in Europe (certainly northern Europe) until the 18th century, and was not adopted in the United States until the 19th century. The American use of blunt-ended knives was also a factor"
607 | Lidane Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:16:06am |
re: #549 NJDhockeyfan
A post linked to Think Progress. Hahahahahaha! Now THAT"S not biased!
I get slammed for linking to legit newspapers but there is silence when a farl-left blog is linked to. This is just too funny. :)
The link provides the original polling data in PDF form, along with links to their original sources. That is enough for me.
I don't care about Think Progress. I happened to see the article there and found it interesting. That's all.
608 | Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:16:08am |
re: #605 NJDhockeyfan
They were just reading a memo they received from Rupert Murdoch's propaganda network. They really don't mean it.
Stupidly, they gave it to Volcker, and how the hell did Kent Conrad get such an early draft of it?
609 | lawhawk Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:16:12am |
re: #595 Killgore Trout
The GAO has studied the issue before (in 2008) and provided the report to Congress for further evaluation.
It's not like they (Congress, GAO, and other government entities) haven't looked at the VAT as a possible alternative or addition to the existing tax scheme. The question is whether a VAT would have any chance of success in the current political climate. I don't think it will, not after the HCR and forecasted fallout in November.
610 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:17:04am |
re: #595 Killgore Trout
Because it's more bullshit and conspiracy theory from Rupert Murdoch's propaganda network. VAT being implemented in the US anytime soon is not realistic. It's not going to happen. The wingnuts need thing to hyperventilate over so they just make shit up.
You should save your inventions for the occasions when necessity requires maternal care. The article said that Volcker, Pelosi, and a few others have 'floated the idea', and then explains some well-known (at least i thought they were well-known) examples of the VAT in action.
Seems like real facts with some opinion added in. Who's hyperventilating again?
611 | garhighway Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:17:07am |
re: #551 prairiefire
Well, technically, an op-ed page isn't news, it is opinion. I would say the writers of the NYT or WSJ op-ed pages definitely have opinions.
The distinction should be obvious, shouldn't it? WSJ and NYT Op-Ed pages are clearly labeled as opinion. You know what you are getting: WSJ is righty. NYT lefty.
The news pages of each ought to be impartial, and I think generally are. (Cue the howls from the "MSM sucks" crowd.) The WSJ news pages have begun a dumbing-down process under Murdoch that is pretty sad (they were famous for thoughtful long-form journalism), but they remain pretty good at leaving the opinion stuff on the Op-Ed page. (The Columbia Journalism Review (cjr.org) follows the evolution of the WSJ pretty closely, and they also act as a pretty good observer and scorekeeper on all the big media, with a heavy emphasis on print.
Then there's Fox News. That is where I think the news/opinion dichotomy breaks down. Far more than any other broadcast or cable channel (or mainstream print media) they have integrated their opinion and news operations into one seamless shop that is on a unified set of talking points all the time. I know that some here take the view that Fox is just the righty version of MSNBC, but I don't think that withstands any kind of fair viewing. When MSNBC or CNN or the big three are doing news, they are trying to be down the middle of the plate. Their opinion people, clearly not, but there is a discernible line between their opinion people and their news people that simply doesn't exist on Fox.
My hat's off to Murdoch. Having perceived that the marketplace would tolerate and even reward the kind of news/opinion mix he dishes out elsewhere, he went all in on it and it is working for him. I think it is bad for this country, and clearly Murdoch's interests have nothing to do with our national interests, but so what? He has a right to do it, it works, it makes money, end of story.
612 | MrSilverDragon Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:17:58am |
Good morning, folks. Hope you've got a good one on tap today.
613 | Lidane Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:19:00am |
And on that note, I'm off to the endocrinologist. I have lab work and a complete physical in my future. Oh joy.
Have a great day, Lizards! :)
614 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:19:49am |
re: #610 Aceofwhat?
You should save your inventions for the occasions when necessity requires maternal care. The article said that Volcker, Pelosi, and a few others have 'floated the idea', and then explains some well-known (at least i thought they were well-known) examples of the VAT in action.
Seems like real facts with some opinion added in. Who's hyperventilating again?
If the Dems seriously start trying to sell the Americans people on the amazing benefits of a VAT tax I guarantee you will see KT all of a sudden become a cheerleader for it.
615 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:19:59am |
re: #611 garhighway
The distinction should be obvious, shouldn't it? WSJ and NYT Op-Ed pages are clearly labeled as opinion. You know what you are getting: WSJ is righty. NYT lefty.
[snip]
The NYT opinion page is not lefty. It's very balanced.
616 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:20:03am |
re: #607 Lidane
The link provides the original polling data in PDF form, along with links to their original sources. That is enough for me.
I don't care about Think Progress. I happened to see the article there and found it interesting. That's all.
It was interesting - i liked it. I think NJD's point is that sometimes partisan sources have good stuff and sometimes they post crap. We should just call the crap by its true name rather than disqualifying partisan sources entirely. Seems like a more inclusive way to discuss the issues, IMHO...
617 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:20:28am |
re: #599 Cato the Elder
That's one one-hundredth of your lives wasted right there.
I don't even know how to do the switch. I was raised by scientists and artists.
Can you explain it to me in simple steps of one syllable or less? Or better yet, show me a diagram!
I was brought up the two-handed way, and I started using the fork switch because I eat too fast and this makes me slow down and eat less. In theory.
618 | prairiefire Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:20:33am |
Tea Party leaders efforts to restrict Da Crazy:[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
619 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:21:54am |
re: #595 Killgore Trout
Volcker floating the idea last weeks saying it was not longer a "toxic" idea kind of stirred it up, you know.
Those are trial balloons; you know it KT.
Probably scattershot to throw the "wingnuts" in a tizzy, but he did say it. Can't be denied.
620 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:22:22am |
re: #612 MrSilverDragon
On TAP?
...Having a Galactic Kegger!!
Actually .....I'm an Electrician today....
Tomorrow ..who knows!
621 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:22:36am |
re: #595 Killgore Trout
Thank you for answering, by the way.
622 | Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:22:38am |
re: #602 Guanxi88
Obama's not going to propose it and congress isn't going to pass it. It's not a realistic concern.
623 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:22:50am |
re: #618 prairiefire
Tea Party leaders efforts to restrict Da Crazy:[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Keep an eye on Denver this afternoon. It could get ugly.
624 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:23:29am |
re: #617 Alouette
I was brought up the two-handed way, and I started using the fork switch because I eat too fast and this makes me slow down and eat less. In theory.
I cut up my food first, then shovel everything straight from the plate into my maw, with the knife.
626 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:25:50am |
re: #625 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My wife is on a "special diet"...
So far" I "have lost 5.5 lbs!
Been under 200lbs for a week now!
Damn!
627 | Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:26:06am |
re: #609 lawhawk
The GAO has studied the issue before (in 2008) and provided the report to Congress for further evaluation.
It's not like they (Congress, GAO, and other government entities) haven't looked at the VAT as a possible alternative or addition to the existing tax scheme. The question is whether a VAT would have any chance of success in the current political climate. I don't think it will, not after the HCR and forecasted fallout in November.
2008! Where was the wingnut outrage then?
I also think it's funny that the same idiots who think the Fair Tax is a good idea are freaking out about VAT. They are essentially the same thing. It's just another case of wingnuts opposing their own ideas if the Dems start considering them.
628 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:26:35am |
Nonsensical Facebook quote of the day:
Dalai Lama: Interdependence is a fundamental law of nature. Even tiny insects survive by mutual cooperation based on innate recognition of their interconnectedness. It is because our own human existence is so dependent on the help of others that our need for love lies at the very foundation of our existence. Therefore we need a genuine sense of responsibility and a sincere concern for the welfare of others.
Bullshit on the insects part. Small insects survive by eating smaller insects. And so, ad infinitum. True interconnectedness.
629 | Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:27:15am |
re: #614 NJDhockeyfan
If the Dems seriously start trying to sell the Americans people on the amazing benefits of a VAT tax I guarantee you will see KT all of a sudden become a cheerleader for it.
Bullshit. I'm very opposed to VAT but it's not a realistic concern.
630 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:27:30am |
631 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:29:01am |
re: #622 Killgore Trout
Why do you think that President's top financial adviser floated the idea?
Not arguing, just trying to understand.
632 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:29:09am |
re: #627 Killgore Trout
2008! Where was the wingnut outrage then?
I also think it's funny that the same idiots who think the Fair Tax is a good idea are freaking out about VAT. They are essentially the same thing. It's just another case of wingnuts opposing their own ideas if the Dems start considering them.
They are not the same thing. The Fair Tax would replace Income tax and get rid of the IRS. The VAT Tax would be in addition to our current taxes and help expand the IRS. There is a massive difference between the two.
633 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:29:19am |
re: #622 Killgore Trout
Obama's not going to propose it and congress isn't going to pass it. It's not a realistic concern.
Volcker said it, which was reported accurately AFAIK, and explaining the downsides seems like a perfectly normal thing for a financial-heavy paper to opine on. Making it even less realistic by outlining its shortcomings is not wingnuttery...in fact, it's not even unreasonable.
634 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:29:38am |
re: #629 Killgore Trout
Bullshit. I'm very opposed to VAT but it's not a realistic concern.
I'm glad to hear that.
:)
635 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:29:45am |
re: #349 reine.de.tout
OMG.
Too damned funny.
Really funny.
I thought this was going to be a story about some sort of heirloom that somebody got and immediately broke, or something.
Too funny.
My grandfather's fifth divorce featured an incredibly bitter fight overe a non-heirloom, inexpensive butter dish.
(He was being represented in this divorce by an unfortunate cousin of my father's, so we got a lot of the gory details.)
636 | prairiefire Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:30:13am |
re: #592 Aceofwhat?
I like her busting up the East Indian stereotype of being mostly super smart professionals. Granted, most EI's fit that profile. Mindy Kaling takes that and tweaks it.
637 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:30:15am |
re: #626 reloadingisnotahobby
I'm 6'2", 220 or so...
If it weren't for beer, I'd probably weigh a hundred and eight.
But, I'd look funny. (I have a gigantic melon head)...
638 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:31:26am |
re: #637 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
(eighty... a hundred and eighty)... shit.
639 | Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:31:39am |
re: #631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why do you think that President's top financial adviser floated the idea?
Not arguing, just trying to understand.
Because he's an economist discussing ideas. There's nothing new, outrageous or exciting about it. If Obama starts talking about VAT, then I'll start to worry. Until then it's just something for the wingnuts to get excited over.
640 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:31:45am |
re: #627 Killgore Trout
2008! Where was the wingnut outrage then?
I also think it's funny that the same idiots who think the Fair Tax is a good idea are freaking out about VAT. They are essentially the same thing. It's just another case of wingnuts opposing their own ideas if the Dems start considering them.
Notable difference...few suspect the Dems will REPLACE the income tax with a VAT.
Replacement vs. addition...critical.
And for the record, i'm uneasy about the Fair tax. Cards on table.
642 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:32:59am |
re: #636 prairiefire
I've met a couple of "blond" stereotype East Indian women. It is as funny as hearing a Korean guy speak with a southern accent. (There was a comedian who did that. Was from Alabama and was for real.)
643 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:33:58am |
re: #639 Killgore Trout
Thanks, buddy!
Y'all have a great day! My tie is tied, and I'm ready to ride!
645 | Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:36:41am |
re: #581 NJDhockeyfan
That piece uses so many dog-whistles ('confiscate', 'breath tax', 'job-killing', etc.) I'm surprised it's properly spelt. You can see how quickly a birther came running at the sound.
Stylistic quibbles aside though, her point is a simple one. The Health Care bill raises some taxes. It doesn't, of course, raise them to the point that the piece strongly implies, where the populace groans under the burden that the oppressive masters heaps upon them, but some taxes are raised. Americans, nonetheless, are and still will be comparatively lightly taxed.
The Health bill is not a good bill. It does not do enough to control costs as is, though it does not do nothing as opponents imply. The individual mandate is not a good idea. It wasn't a good idea when the Republicans proposed it in the 90s, it's still not a good idea. However, there is currently not enough political will, and too much cultlike opposition, to do the things that actually will reduce health care costs, such as some version of public health insurance and a national pharmacy. We can only hope that this bill at least gets people used to the idea of having health insurance, so that at some point in the future this necessary step can be taken.
646 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:37:30am |
re: #642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've met a couple of "blond" stereotype East Indian women. It is as funny as hearing a Korean guy speak with a southern accent. (There was a comedian who did that. Was from Alabama and was for real.)
Listening to him could almost be described as cognitive dissonance.
647 | subsailor68 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:37:59am |
re: #632 NJDhockeyfan
They are not the same thing. The Fair Tax would replace Income tax and get rid of the IRS. The VAT Tax would be in addition to our current taxes and help expand the IRS. There is a massive difference between the two.
Hi NJD! As we've chatted about before, you're correct that they are not exactly the same thing. The main difference between the Fair Tax and the VAT (as the concepts currently exist) is that the Fair Tax proposals call for a single tax at the point of sale. VAT proposals, on the other hand, call for a tax at each point in the production cycle of a good, product, or service.
But you could make the case that KT would also be correct if the total tax percentages for a Fair Tax vs a VAT were the same. For example, if the Fair Tax on a pencil was set at 10%, and the combined VAT for the items used in the pencil also added up to 10%, they would essentially be the same - regardless of which system was implemented.
648 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:38:35am |
re: #642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've met a couple of "blond" stereotype East Indian women. It is as funny as hearing a Korean guy speak with a southern accent. (There was a comedian who did that. Was from Alabama and was for real.)
Guy on my tennis team was EI from Texas. He was waaay Texan. Didn't handle losing well...it was half-comical, half-embarrassing to watch him occasionally get in someone's face after losing. Bad sportsmanship but the Texan accent and attitude...hysterical
649 | cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:39:00am |
re: #646 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Listening to him could almost be described as cognitive dissonance.
that's some funny shit
650 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:39:22am |
re: #643 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks, buddy!
Y'all have a great day! My tie is tied, and I'm ready to ride!
go get that cake!
651 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:40:58am |
re: #646 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Listening to him could almost be described as cognitive dissonance.
In the German Version of "Airplane!", they have the two black fellows speaking jive dubbed in a thick Bavarian accent. One of the highlights of German humor (I can mail you the other three upon request).
btw. The German title for the film is "Die unglaubliche Reise in einem total Verruecken Flugzeug"
Gosh, that leaves only two highlights left...
652 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:41:54am |
re: #400 filetandrelease
Right, let our soldiers salute Lenin in Red Square, I am sure each and every one of them will feel honored. It makes me want to puke.
And Obama is his own master, a true legend in his own mind.
The Russians suffered horribly to destroy Hitler. And the USSR is dead.
Exactly what problem are you seeing here? I'm honored that we're invited. The Russians tend to imagine they won the war all by themselves.
653 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:42:46am |
re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
We got past it. SFZ, he saw the light. (I think)
654 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:43:11am |
re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
Look at Lawhawk's take on it. Was a lovely post.
655 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:43:24am |
re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
The Russians suffered horribly to destroy Hitler. And the USSR is dead.
Exactly what problem are you seeing here? I'm honored that we're invited. The Russians tend to imagine they won the war all by themselves.
No worries...i think i got Filet around to my POV on this one...which i suspect mirrors yours quite closely.
656 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:44:58am |
re: #642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've met a couple of "blond" stereotype East Indian women. It is as funny as hearing a Korean guy speak with a southern accent. (There was a comedian who did that. Was from Alabama and was for real.)
I had an Asian co-worker who spoke with a Southern accent. I didn't realize that is what it was until I asked him where he was from. "From the South," he said. "South Korea or South Vietnam?" I asked. He said, "South Carolina!"
657 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:45:11am |
re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
The Russians suffered horribly to destroy Hitler. And the USSR is dead.
Exactly what problem are you seeing here? I'm honored that we're invited. The Russians tend to imagine they won the war all by themselves.
Real Americans (TM) are bred to have a kneejerk adverse reaction to any sign or symbol of Communism. Even the Russian have learned to accept Lenin as just another part of their history and culture, right along with Ivan the Terrible and Rasputin...
658 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:45:17am |
re: #653 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
We got past it. SFZ, he saw the light. (I think)
As an aside, i love how consistent SFZ's style is. She works hard to catch up...at least once per day i can tell she's logging back on because there will be a flurry of well-reasoned opinions on posts from #25 through the current one.
It's an endearing trait of hers...
659 | subsailor68 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:45:25am |
re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
The Russians suffered horribly to destroy Hitler. And the USSR is dead.
Exactly what problem are you seeing here? I'm honored that we're invited. The Russians tend to imagine they won the war all by themselves.
Hi SFZ! I don't see a problem either. I met a Russian admiral at a conference a number of years ago. I was wearing my dolphin pin in the lapel of my jacket, and he was in uniform with his submariner's insignia. He looked a my dolphin pin, and I looked at his insignia. We both nodded to each other, and the dour old admiral broke into a smile. He pointed to my dolphins and then to his insignia.
We traded.
661 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:46:12am |
re: #442 Alouette
Good morning Lizardia! I have a new grandbaby! A boy, born early this morning in Toronto.
This makes 26 for the Babushka.
Mazal tov!
662 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:49:56am |
Unemployment likely to remain high for two more years, IMF predicts
Economic recovery will do little to bring down unemployment rates in Europe, the United States and other developed countries for nearly two more years, the International Monetary Fund projected Wednesday in a report that highlighted the lingering challenges of the worst recession in decades.
Releasing what IMF officials called a "somber" forecast, the agency said government stimulus and other policies remain needed to offset slow private job creation -- evidence of the dilemma policymakers face as they decide whether trimming high government deficits outweighs the risk of undermining employment even further if public programs are cut.
High unemployment is one of the central issues confronting officials as they deal with the recession's aftermath.
While employment is expected to expand this year, the number of new jobs won't be enough to make up for a growing labor force and bring down the unemployment rate, the IMF said. The agency projected that the unemployment rate throughout the developed world will remain around 9 percent through 2011.
I thought the stimulus bill was supposed to fix the problem. What happened?
663 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:50:32am |
re: #627 Killgore Trout
Hold on-Pondering a flat or fair or VAT tax to replace the current system is one thing-arguable on its own. To contemplate those things in addition to income and sales taxes is a whole other ballgame. And far more objectionable in my view.
Just scroll the rhetoric and check the numbers of each proposal. The presence or agreement of any wing-nuts really should not cloud the issues. They are not elected. Merely loud.
664 | Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:50:44am |
re: #611 garhighway
CNN and MSNBC attempt to emulate FOX's model - blend opinion and entertainment, with a smattering of news. MSNBC has clearly decided to present news with a lefty spin and opinion that appeals to those with a lefty mindset. CNN has rather pathetically decided that everything must be absolutely equivalent, and so does nothing but follow Conservative media talking points and then present them as just one side of a story, even if they are demonstrably false. It's a stupid idea - Conservatives will never consider them as anything but the communist media, grab-bag liberals will now consider them the enemy as well, and people who think can see through the ridiculous equivocation that they try to foist on everything.
FOX, however, has now moved beyond that news/entertainment/opinion model to bigger and better things. FOX now creates news - having shamed the regular media with endless accusations of bias, they now know that they can create stories out of whole cloth and blatantly present Red Facts (which may occasionally intersect with actual facts), and the regular media will give them at least lip service. FOX has created a fantasy world (any resemblance to real-life people, places or events is purely... well, I guess it's not coincidental), and it is given at least some legitimacy through the reporting of actual media that follow their stories. It works out gangbusters for them - their cultists get to live in the fantasy world made for them, and normal people hear about it through the usual channels, which have been fooled/shamed into giving it legitimacy.
665 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:51:37am |
Second most-nonsensical Facebook post of the day:
I don't understand resistance to "Cap and Trade". Seems to make sense to me. But then I truly care about the environment.
It seems to make sense to her, and she truly cares about the environment. Therefore it will work, dammit!
666 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:51:46am |
re: #576 garhighway
Are there any other long-dead icons of failed ideologies that you forbid our troops from walking by?
I forbid them nothing, just don't like it.
667 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:53:19am |
re: #628 Cato the Elder
Beg to differ. Symbiotic insects abound.
Besides this is a pretty good image of nature. Uh, literally, the image I linked. Not PR image.
668 | Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:53:21am |
669 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:53:26am |
670 | filetandrelease Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:53:43am |
re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
It was an emotional out burst, I am feeling better now thank you.
671 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:53:53am |
re: #666 filetandrelease
I forbid them nothing, just don't like it.
well, now that you've identified yourself as the Beast, i will take a step back/
672 | bratwurst Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:54:12am |
re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
The Russians suffered horribly to destroy Hitler. And the USSR is dead.
Exactly what problem are you seeing here? I'm honored that we're invited. The Russians tend to imagine they won the war all by themselves.
Like the (apocryphal) Japanese soldier stuck on a deserted island still fighting WWII, some lizards are still fighting the Cold War.
673 | subsailor68 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:54:14am |
re: #663 Rightwingconspirator
Hold on-Pondering a flat or fair or VAT tax to replace the current system is one thing-arguable on its own. To contemplate those things in addition to income and sales taxes is a whole other ballgame. And far more objectionable in my view.
Just scroll the rhetoric and check the numbers of each proposal. The presence or agreement of any wing-nuts really should not cloud the issues. They are not elected. Merely loud.
Spot on! I wish politician's would take your advice on every proposal, but sadly they rarely do. It would also be nice if they made an effort to at least try to identify what are called "unintended consequences" of their decisions - which they also rarely do.
674 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:54:47am |
re: #672 bratwurst
Like the (apocryphal) Japanese soldier stuck on a deserted island still fighting WWII, some lizards are still fighting the Cold War.
Fluoridation!!11!
675 | Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:54:56am |
676 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:54:59am |
re: #667 Rightwingconspirator
Beg to differ. Symbiotic insects abound.
Besides this is a pretty good image of nature. Uh, literally, the image I linked. Not PR image.
That's not symbiosis, that's insect slavery.
678 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:56:33am |
re: #668 Killgore Trout
Never fear, there will have been tens of dozens of them by the time the party breaks up.
They take the protesting in shifts. Two old biddies stand up and hold misspelled signs for every eight who relax in portable sports chairs.
679 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:57:15am |
re: #667 Rightwingconspirator
Beg to differ. Symbiotic insects abound.
Besides this is a pretty good image of nature. Uh, literally, the image I linked. Not PR image.
I'm with Cato. I accept insect life as an admirable goal of interconnectedness when we decide it's ok if i inject you with toxins and then feed you to my kids/
680 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:58:10am |
re: #652 SanFranciscoZionist
The Russians tend to imagine they won the war all by themselves.
There's a lot of that going around. Unless you're being all ironical and stuff, in which case: tee hee.
681 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:58:42am |
re: #670 filetandrelease
It was an emotional out burst, I am feeling better now thank you.
Pleased to hear it. I shall proceed onward with the thread!
683 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:58:55am |
re: #676 Cato the Elder
I missed that in biology class. :)>
Ant Civil Rights! Ant Civil Rights! Ant Farms are evil!
My Aunt never had s... ants.
684 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 15, 2010 8:59:52am |
NEO-Nazis armed with a deadly chemical were in the early stages of paramilitary activity and were plotting against the Government, a court heard.Members of Aryan Strike Force discussed on their website, "Resisting the Government," who they called Zionist Occupied Government (ZOG), because they believed it had been taken over by Jews.
Ian Davison, 41, has already pleaded guilty to preparing for acts of terrorism and producing a chemical weapon, ricin.
His son Nicky Davison, 19, is on trial at Newcastle Crown Court and denies three charges of possessing a record containing information likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing for acts of terrorism.
The documents found on two computers at Davison's Co. Durham home, called The Anarchist's Cookbook and The Poor Man's James Bond, included details on how to make deadly ricin and how to make bombs and other explosives.
The court heard Ian Davison had set up the Aryan Strike Force website, which his son helped to run, in January 2008, and the group were "in the early stages of becoming active".
685 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:01:22am |
re: #678 Cato the Elder
Never fear, there will have been tens of dozens of them by the time the party breaks up.
They take the protesting in shifts. Two old biddies stand up and hold misspelled signs for every eight who relax in portable sports chairs.
The San Francisco Chron's op ed page this morning contained a passionate defense of the Bay Area Patriots, and their Tea Party this evening.
I would love to go, to take photos and see who turns out for a San Francisco Tea Party, but I get off work in Richmond at 4 PM, and I just don't have the energy.
Obdi, planning to check it out?
686 | Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:01:59am |
Transmission of mitochondrial diseases from mother to offspring could be prevented
Mitochondrial disease is a comparatively minor subset of hereditary conditions, and receives little press. Some mitochondrial conditions are devastating, but their rarity means that not a lot of time is devoted to them. Which is fine, really - diseases don't all have to have equal attention.
What's described here is cloning. The technique used is not fundamentally any different from somatic cell nuclear transfer, the typical technology that comes to mind when cloning is thought of. It's not approved on humans yet, but when it is, it will essentially be human cloning.
Your opinions on that may vary. It's a knotty problem. Personally, I'm hoping for a few clones to help my time management.
687 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:02:53am |
re: #683 Rightwingconspirator
I missed that in biology class. :)>
Ant Civil Rights! Ant Civil Rights! Ant Farms are evil!
My Aunt never had s... ants.
that was funny.
I love animal biology. It was my favorite part of my biology major. But folks who anthropomorphize or want to tell me about lessons for humanity derived from the animal world...gah. There is a tremendous amount to be learned about ANIMALS through the study of ANIMALS...a noble enough pursuit in its own right. No need to pretend that we get a bonus human sociology lesson from the study of wildlife where none exists...
688 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:02:53am |
re: #680 negativ
There's a lot of that going around. Unless you're being all ironical and stuff, in which case: tee hee.
No, I just grew up around Russians. Good folks, but self-deprecating is not one of their common characteristics.
689 | cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:03:13am |
Haha
To the Editor:
I object and take exception to everyone saying
that Obama and Congress are spending money like
a drunken sailor. As a former drunken sailor,
I quit when I ran out of money.Bruce L Hargraves
USN Retired
Worland
690 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:03:18am |
re: #651 ralphieboy
In the German Version of "Airplane!", they have the two black fellows speaking jive dubbed in a thick Bavarian accent. One of the highlights of German humor (I can mail you the other three upon request).
btw. The German title for the film is "Die unglaubliche Reise in einem total Verruecken Flugzeug"
Gosh, that leaves only two highlights left...
Heh, go ahead, what's the third? (I took German once upon a time in HS.)
I'm reminded of how a friend of mine in the military went in to take his language test for german - pass it to be rated in the language and get $X more a month on your check. This was before the wall came down so East Germany was very much a factor. Anyway he went in to take his test and like most American Soldiers he'd learned his German in Bavaria. His tester was an aristocratic lady from Berlin :O and it's a verbal test...
After the test was over he asked how he sounded. Her reply - "Like you have a throat disease!" She did pass him and he became known for his throat disease ;)
William
691 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:05:44am |
re: #686 Renaissance_Man
Oooh...meaty post! Thanks!
Is this cloning or porting genes from cell A to cell B, minus the bad part? And are those the same thing?
Oops, geek drool. Can i borrow a napkin?/
692 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:06:50am |
re: #679 Aceofwhat?
I'm with Cato. I accept insect life as an admirable goal of interconnectedness when we decide it's ok if i inject you with toxins and then feed you to my kids/
Life is interconnected. It's just not interconnected pretty the way the Dalai Lama describes it.
Those Spanish pigs who gave their lives for the chorizo I ate for breakfast are not singing the "Ode to Joy" in my stomach right now.
693 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:07:27am |
694 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:07:31am |
re: #692 Cato the Elder
Life is interconnected. It's just not interconnected pretty the way the Dalai Lama describes it.
Those Spanish pigs who gave their lives for the chorizo I ate for breakfast are not singing the "Ode to Joy" in my stomach right now.
Luckily. That would awful disturbing.
695 | Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:07:36am |
re: #691 Aceofwhat?
It's cloning - transfer the nucleus from your embryo to an enucleated donor egg that doesn't have diseased mitochondria.
696 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:07:37am |
WWII as mutiplayer stragetgy game
697 | garhighway Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:07:56am |
re: #693 Stanley Sea
I was wondering when the drunken sailors would finally stand up.
Usually the morning after.
698 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:08:35am |
re: #692 Cato the Elder
Seems fair, the earth eats us all in the end.
700 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:09:25am |
re: #687 Aceofwhat?
that was funny.
I love animal biology. It was my favorite part of my biology major. But folks who anthropomorphize or want to tell me about lessons for humanity derived from the animal world...gah. There is a tremendous amount to be learned about ANIMALS through the study of ANIMALS...a noble enough pursuit in its own right. No need to pretend that we get a bonus human sociology lesson from the study of wildlife where none exists...
Where none exists?
I beg to differ. The higher animals can teach us plenty about ourselves. Such as why in war or famine situations it's OK to kill you're neighbor's kids.
701 | Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:10:45am |
702 | cliffster Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:11:17am |
re: #692 Cato the Elder
Life is interconnected. It's just not interconnected pretty the way the Dalai Lama describes it.
Those Spanish pigs who gave their lives for the chorizo I ate for breakfast are not singing the "Ode to Joy" in my stomach right now.
ashes to ashes, chorizo to chorizo
703 | Ericus58 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:11:25am |
re: #658 Aceofwhat?
As an aside, i love how consistent SFZ's style is. She works hard to catch up...at least once per day i can tell she's logging back on because there will be a flurry of well-reasoned opinions on posts from #25 through the current one.
It's an endearing trait of hers...
I was actually thinking of her when I posted the poem this morning from the Writer's Almanac..... a gift to share with someone who would appreciate it.
704 | subsailor68 Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:12:42am |
re: #697 garhighway
Usually the morning after.
LOL! Quick story. I was the maneuvering watch helmsman on the sub, because the captain wanted a senior man in that position when we were in restricted waters.
The night before we deployed on one run, a bunch of us went to a few clubs, and I had many more tasty beverages that I should have. The next morning, I woke in my rack and felt the boat moving. In a panic I jumped up, just knowing I was in trouble.
I ran into the chief of the boat in the passageway and told him how sorry I was. He just looked at me for a moment then said,
'Don't sweat it. The captain polled the crew, and we all decided to let someone else drive."
705 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:14:13am |
re: #703 Ericus58
I was actually thinking of her when I posted the poem this morning from the Writer's Almanac... a gift to share with someone who would appreciate it.
I did. :)
706 | Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:14:42am |
707 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:15:11am |
Working smarter with less, an oft result of an economic downturn.
1. Fortune 500 companies tripled their profits to $391 billion in 2009.
2. They also slashed their payrolls by more than 800,000 jobs.
[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]
708 | Mocking Jay Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:15:54am |
709 | Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:15:57am |
re: #701 Killgore Trout
He may be telling the truth - I actually think there's some truth to the assertion that the main opposition is not about the President's race. It's about hatred of 'liberals', whatever they understand those 'not real Americans' to be.
It's still not based in facts, of course - the actual policies and deeds of the 'enemy' in question don't matter. All that's important is that they're one of 'them', a liberal, a socialist, a progressive, and are therefore evil. Thus everything they stand for and do must also be wrong.
710 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:17:41am |
I want to see a Teabonics sign that reads, "Stop Trigonomicide! Down with teh Deth Panils!"
711 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:18:02am |
re: #709 Renaissance_Man
He may be telling the truth - I actually think there's some truth to the assertion that the main opposition is not about the President's race. It's about hatred of 'liberals', whatever they understand those 'not real Americans' to be.
It's still not based in facts, of course - the actual policies and deeds of the 'enemy' in question don't matter. All that's important is that they're one of 'them', a liberal, a socialist, a progressive, and are therefore evil. Thus everything they stand for and do must also be wrong.
I think you're right--but the cute hip-hoppy phrasing and spelling of that sign does make me wonder.
712 | Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:18:07am |
713 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:19:33am |
re: #695 Renaissance_Man
It's cloning - transfer the nucleus from your embryo to an enucleated donor egg that doesn't have diseased mitochondria.
I think i disagree, but i admit the discussion may flesh out something that i haven't considered fully enough.
Cloning, to me, is replication...that is, no fertilization is involved. This appears to be a post-fertilization transfer with manipulation.
"Turnbull and his team transferred nuclei from 80 embryos just after fertilization."
There's an important difference there...i think. I welcome fleshing it out with you.
714 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:21:36am |
re: #700 Cato the Elder
Where none exists?
I beg to differ. The higher animals can teach us plenty about ourselves. Such as why in war or famine situations it's OK to kill you're neighbor's kids.
Ha! But when they look into a mirror, what do they see...
716 | Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:24:52am |
re: #696 negativ
WWII as mutiplayer stragetgy game
[Video]
I laughed so hard I swear I damn near wet myself.
717 | garhighway Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:25:28am |
718 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:25:48am |
re: #716 Renaissance_Man
I laughed so hard I swear I damn near wet myself.
My husband is a fan of that piece.
720 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:27:53am |
re: #717 garhighway
Also from the Tea Party front, this:
[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
Strange days.
"no, we don't fund the tea parties...we fund the astroturfing company that funds the tea parties. can't you MSM folks get your act together?"
yeesh.
722 | Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:28:46am |
re: #713 Aceofwhat?
You're right, this is not 'cloning' as in 'creating a new being that is a replica of a current one'. It's nuclear transfer, which is a standard cloning technique. However, should it be possible to bring these embryos to term, there's nothing preventing, say, transfering the nuclei from all 4 cells at the 4-cell stage to 4 different eggs. In fact, for therapeutic purposes, given the hit-or-miss nature of these things, that's probably what would be done. And if more than one of those transferred eggs comes to term... Instant clones.
723 | AK-47% Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:29:55am |
re: #690 wlewisiii
Heh, go ahead, what's the third? (I took German once upon a time in HS.)
The title of "Airplane! The Sequel" -
"Die unglaubliche Reise in einem total verrueckten Raumschiff"
724 | garhighway Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:32:34am |
re: #720 Aceofwhat?
"no, we don't fund the tea parties...we fund the astroturfing company that funds the tea parties. can't you MSM folks get your act together?"
yeesh.
I recall some discussion in these pages a while back about the Koch family and their scion's role in the JBS.
It looks like the next generation didn't stray far from Dad's path.
725 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:34:43am |
726 | DaddyG Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:37:00am |
The Atlanta Tea Party is setting up now. Traffic has been blocked around the Capitol and the stage is set up on the steps. I have a lovely view of the festivities from my office window.
Before anyone asks I’m not going to report from the Tea Party – in fact I hope to be well out of town before the crowds reach critical mass. I had some business in the Capitol today but I think I’ll reschedule for tomorrow.
I wonder if the No Taxes Ever crowd understand how much this event is costing the taxpayers of Atlanta and the State of Georgia? I’m guessing a lot for extra security not to mention the street closures and venue set-up.
On an interesting side note Freaknik (a.k.a. Black Spring Break) is back in the ATL after an extended absence. It should be very entertaining to see the two crowds converge at the 5-Points MARTA station on the way home from work. With a little luck we will see some heads exploding (figuratively not literally).
Of the two impending human disasters calculating who will have the largest positive/negative economic impact on the local economy would be fun. Freaknik has a larger potential for traffic stoppage and damage but the students spend their money on Alcohol and Gasoline.
727 | Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:40:17am |
re: #722 Renaissance_Man
You're right, this is not 'cloning' as in 'creating a new being that is a replica of a current one'. It's nuclear transfer, which is a standard cloning technique. However, should it be possible to bring these embryos to term, there's nothing preventing, say, transfering the nuclei from all 4 cells at the 4-cell stage to 4 different eggs. In fact, for therapeutic purposes, given the hit-or-miss nature of these things, that's probably what would be done. And if more than one of those transferred eggs comes to term... Instant clones.
Ah, i see. I agree. At the same time, that's cloning on much the same level as genetically identical twins. So my early tendency is to say that at a very early stage like this, it's different than cloning a pre-existing human, much in the same manner that I don't perceive the destruction of a few fertilized cells at a fertility clinic to be infanticide.
I admit that once removed from the process of fertilization and implantation, cloning becomes far less palatable to me. I am not sure that i've fully explored the underpinnings of my visceral reaction, though.
728 | DaddyG Thu, Apr 15, 2010 9:41:27am |
Just like me to post the dead thread. I'll put this on the more topical thread upstairs...
729 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Apr 15, 2010 10:54:56am |
re: #590 Cato the Elder
Does anyone still do the switch?
Yes. I was at a company lunch today and noticed that I did the switch in order to cut a piece of meat.
730 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Apr 15, 2010 10:59:08am |
re: #637 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm 6'2", 220 or so...
If it weren't for beer, I'd probably weigh a hundred and eight.
But, I'd look funny. (I have a gigantic melon head)...
Would be easy to dress and white and go to Halloween parties as a lollipop though...