The Ron Paul-Alex Jones Convergence
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Here’s Ron Paul, on the Alex Jones show again. Nobody seems to think this is odd. Cue Twilight Zone theme.
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freetoken Wed, May 26, 2010 6:41:54pm |
Heh… mentioning the (R) win in Hawaii… without telling the truth that there were two Democrats running and they split the (D) vote.
Jones is such a liar and deceiver.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 6:43:13pm |
re: #2 freetoken
Heh… mentioning the (R) win in Hawaii… without telling the truth that there were two Democrats running and they split the (D) vote.
Jones is such a liar and deceiver.
And a nutcase, don’t forget nutcase.
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TampaKnight Wed, May 26, 2010 6:44:54pm |
This is funny:
Kentucky Libertarians are now thinking about a 3rd party candidate because Rand Paul isn’t quite libertarian enough for them.
“Despite his pedigree as the son of former Libertarian presidential candidate Ron Paul, Libertarian Vice Chairman Joshua Koch said Rand Paul has betrayed the party’s values with stands he’s taken, and they were considering finding a candidate to run for the seat.”
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 6:45:22pm |
The fact that Alex Jones would actually have Ron Paul on his show ruins his credibility, IMO.
/
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What, me worry? Wed, May 26, 2010 6:45:34pm |
The Democrats and Republicans are all handicapped and what we need is a third party to be… what… the Perfect Party? And just who are they?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 6:49:45pm |
re: #6 marjoriemoon
The Democrats and Republicans are all handicapped and what we need is a third party to be… what… the Perfect Party? And just who are they?
My vote goes to the *hic*… to the *hic*… to the Keg Party.
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Hieronymus Bosch Wed, May 26, 2010 6:55:17pm |
Alex Jones seems to have been coming up on this site a lot lately. Maybe some more attention should be paid to LaRouche also? He’s been saying some interesting things lately….
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sagehen Wed, May 26, 2010 6:56:59pm |
re: #6 marjoriemoon
The Democrats and Republicans are all handicapped and what we need is a third party to be… what… the Perfect Party? And just who are they?
The slumber party.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 6:58:16pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 26, 2010 6:58:47pm |
They are certainly congratulating themselves for being mainstreamed. It’s still unbelievable to me that the GOP has been taken over by Truthers and conspiracy theorists. The average right wing blog today isn’t much different from what Alex Jones has been doing for years. Glenn Beck did a whole show today on New World Order conspiracies and nobody even notices anymore.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 6:59:27pm |
Who watches investigates the Watchmen investigators?
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darthstar Wed, May 26, 2010 6:59:40pm |
re: #4 TampaKnight
This is funny:
Kentucky Libertarians are now thinking about a 3rd party candidate because Rand Paul isn’t quite libertarian enough for them.
“Despite his pedigree as the son of former Libertarian presidential candidate Ron Paul, Libertarian Vice Chairman Joshua Koch said Rand Paul has betrayed the party’s values with stands he’s taken, and they were considering finding a candidate to run for the seat.”
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]
Please, please, please let this happen…See Rand? That’s what you get for backtracking on being a racist…you should have just embraced it and said it was something you’re proud of…it was a winning strategy, I’m sure of it!
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Political Atheist Wed, May 26, 2010 7:00:05pm |
re: #12 Slumbering Behemoth
Brilliant.
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What, me worry? Wed, May 26, 2010 7:00:06pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 7:01:00pm |
re: #6 marjoriemoon
The Democrats and Republicans are all handicapped and what we need is a third party to be… what… the Perfect Party? And just who are they?
Six Other Beverage-Based Political Parties That Should Exist
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:01:27pm |
re: #8 Hieronymus Bosch
Alex Jones seems to have been coming up on this site a lot lately. Maybe some more attention should be paid to LaRouche also? He’s been saying some interesting things lately…
Larouche has been pretty much folded into the Tea Parties for now. Alex Jones gets a little more attention because he’s been mainstreamed by conservative sites like Drudge. Larouche doesn’t have that much influence, he’s more of a hanger on, Alex Jones is much more influential.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 7:01:53pm |
re: #14 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks. Apparently lauP noR gets his political talking points from comic books. No surprise there, really.
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TampaKnight Wed, May 26, 2010 7:02:06pm |
re: #13 darthstar
Please, please, please let this happen…See Rand? That’s what you get for backtracking on being a racist…you should have just embraced it and said it was something you’re proud of…it was a winning strategy, I’m sure of it!
I believe it has more to do with the fact that he believes in funding a military and doesn’t quite support a return to the gold standard…..not yet anyways.
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What, me worry? Wed, May 26, 2010 7:02:29pm |
re: #16 NJDhockeyfan
Six Other Beverage-Based Political Parties That Should Exist
rofl that’s pretty funny.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:05:05pm |
Even Newsweek welcomes Paulians into the mainstream….
Is Rand Paul Crazier Than Anyone Else in D.C.?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 7:05:26pm |
re: #15 marjoriemoon
I’m voting for you guys.
The voting is a bit unorthodox. To cast your vote, you simply show up in a nightie (PJs if you’re a dude, please) carrying a beer stein.
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Charles Johnson Wed, May 26, 2010 7:05:49pm |
The crazy siren has been blowing for Ron Paul for a long, long time. He’s getting more attention now because of his son, but he still seems to have some kind of special pass from the media for his own craziness.
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HoosierHoops Wed, May 26, 2010 7:07:12pm |
Good evening dear Lizards! What a great day today..Today was Community day at the Indy 500…So anybody that showed up at the track could drive a lap in their car around the most famous track in the World..
So Winston got to do what 6 Billion people have not have the privilege to do..
Drive around the Indy track with the Windows down and his head hanging out looking out at at thousands of empty seats..
mmmm. You had to have a valid DL and proof of insurance to get on the track..Those bastards!
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TampaKnight Wed, May 26, 2010 7:07:16pm |
re: #23 Charles
The crazy siren has been blowing for Ron Paul for a long, long time. He’s getting more attention now because of his son, but he still seems to have some kind of special pass from the media for his own craziness.
Ironically his greatest (only?) legislative achievement has come recently with his “Audit the Fed” bill.
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freetoken Wed, May 26, 2010 7:08:10pm |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
When the #1 right wing talker is playing the victim card (see top story on WND), you know that the paranoia is starting to run a bit deep.
The whole lot of them represent one of the worst outcomes of 20th century American culture - narcissistic deception. Telling lies to line one’s own pocket. Victims for Gold.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 7:08:30pm |
re: #16 NJDhockeyfan
Six Other Beverage-Based Political Parties That Should Exist
I am so gonna join the Whiskey Party. Watch out, though. If this Party takes off, I may well be your next POTUS.
The Whiskey Party
Slogan: “Our Country is Fucked up—You should be too.”
Key Issues: Legalized gambling; legalized prostitution; legalized marijuana; legalized everything; abolishing the speed limit.Mission Statement: With so much of America gone to shit, we need a strong voice supporting the right of citizens to drink/screw/smoke their pain away. Rising like a great cloud of hash smoke to blanket the land, the Whiskey Party will be found wherever a laid-off steelworker is slumped over his seventh beer in a bar; wherever a divorcee chokes her loneliness in a massive bong hit; wherever a man gives a woman his last $40 in food stamps to step on his back in stilettos; the Whiskey Party will be there.
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Just never mind. Wed, May 26, 2010 7:08:39pm |
re: #24 HoosierHoops
What fun!
What did you get to drive?
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:08:57pm |
re: #23 Charles
The crazy siren has been blowing for Ron Paul for a long, long time. He’s getting more attention now because of his son, but he still seems to have some kind of special pass from the media for his own craziness.
I think it’s because he’s been around for so long and he’s not really a threat for now. The liberal press only went after Rand because he won the nomination. The press will talk more about Ron if he gets the Republican nomination but for now they’re happy to have his influence in the Republican party because it helps Dems.
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freetoken Wed, May 26, 2010 7:09:22pm |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
Newsweek is desperate for a new gig, or else they’ll get canned by the corporation. They’ll discover that there is gold in them thar goldbugs!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 7:12:04pm |
re: #26 freetoken
When the #1 right wing talker is playing the victim card (see top story on WND), you know that the paranoia is starting to run a bit deep.
The whole lot of them represent one of the worst outcomes of 20th century American culture - narcissistic deception. Telling lies to line one’s own pocket. Victims for Gold.
That’s always been part of human culture. The mass media just makes it more visible and even more destructive.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 7:13:29pm |
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Renaissance_Man Wed, May 26, 2010 7:14:34pm |
And among all the tribes of Greater Wingnuttia, none were so zealous and unswerving in their belief as the Ronulans.1 It came to pass that two Turns after the ascension of the Usurper, Rand, son of Ron, rose to become a great Chief among the Men of Elephant. And there was great wailing, and weeping, and gnashing of teeth.2 Sorely was Rand, son of Ron, tested by the minions of the Usurper. Many times did they question his faith, his fortitude, and his sanity.3 But strong was the faith of Rand, son of Ron, and he proudly rejected their sanity and their values.4 Loudly did he reject their reality, and great was the rejoicing of the faithful as they replaced the heathen reality of the Usurper with their own.5
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 7:14:58pm |
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HoosierHoops Wed, May 26, 2010 7:15:43pm |
re: #28 Floral Giraffe
What fun!
What did you get to drive?
You get to drive your own car around the track 1 lap today…So little Winston had fun driving around the track..( He didn’t have a clue)
Friday I have tickets to the HP Suite at the Track…And a ZZtop concert.. In the Month of May there is shit going on every hour here..It’s the race! I’ll miss Indy..I’m starting to pack..
*waves*
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 7:17:52pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 26, 2010 7:18:10pm |
Ron Paul’s supporters, sadly, are a market. :(
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freetoken Wed, May 26, 2010 7:18:40pm |
Who’s keeping up with the “kill shot”. Read on one blog that something just happened (a blow up of the riser?)
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 7:19:59pm |
re: #34 Renaissance_Man
And among all the tribes of Greater Wingnuttia, none were so zealous and unswerving in their belief as the Ronulans.1 It came to pass that two Turns after the ascension of the Usurper, Rand, son of Ron, rose to become a great Chief among the Men of Elephant. And there was great wailing, and weeping, and gnashing of teeth.2 Sorely was Rand, son of Ron, tested by the minions of the Usurper. Many times did they question his faith, his fortitude, and his sanity.3 But strong was the faith of Rand, son of Ron, and he proudly rejected their sanity and their values.4 Loudly did he reject their reality, and great was the rejoicing of the faithful as they replaced the heathen reality of the Usurper with their own.5
But The One, whom they had dubbed the Usurper, was not dismayed. Instead, he donned his armor of Hope, sheathed his sword of Change, and bravely set forth on his Unicorn to do battle with the Ronulans. With him came his Minions:
Hillary, the Pantsuited Cackler.
William, the Pants-Dropping Philanderer.
Rambo of Emmanuel
and his moneyman, the Dark Lord Soros.
/Just having some fun with the theme.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 7:20:28pm |
re: #34 Renaissance_Man
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Ojoe Wed, May 26, 2010 7:20:28pm |
Towercam Susnet, looking toward Pasadena. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.
And down on the flats there, is
This cool little museum.
Good evening all.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 7:22:02pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
Do those prices account for inflation?
I am not entirely sure. It is my understanding that the price of gold rises as the dollar weakens, and lowers as the dollar strengthens.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 7:22:09pm |
The oil leak is breaking my heart. I feel for all those living in the Gulf area.
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Ojoe Wed, May 26, 2010 7:24:04pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 7:24:17pm |
re: #44 NJDhockeyfan
The oil leak is breaking my heart. I feel for all those living in the Gulf area.
Quite concur.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 26, 2010 7:25:26pm |
This has to be some sort of so-con bigot fever dream: Family Research Council says queer servciemen will RAPE THE ARMY if Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is repealed
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 26, 2010 7:26:26pm |
re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth
My brother owns that film :D
Pretty much any synopsis that starts with “An evil wizard…”, I am all over it
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 7:29:46pm |
re: #47 WindUpBird
This has to be some sort of so-con bigot fever dream: Family Research Council says queer servciemen will RAPE THE ARMY if Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is repealed
There will be rape in the military regardless of repealing that bill. There’s been rape in the past and will be in the future. That’s a stupid argument.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 7:30:16pm |
re: #47 WindUpBird
“We are today releasing an analysis of publicly available documents which show that homosexuals in the military are three times more likely to commit sexual assaults than heterosexuals are relative to their numbers,” Sprigg said. “We believe this problem would only increase if the current law against homosexuality…were to be repealed.”
Riiight.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 7:30:50pm |
re: #47 WindUpBird
This has to be some sort of so-con bigot fever dream: Family Research Council says queer servciemen will RAPE THE ARMY if Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is repealed
No dream, just Theocrats Gone Wild. They seek to stigmatize and demonize gays. Their dream for you is to force you to burn your furry costume, then send you to camp to be ‘straightened’.
/not kidding
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:33:33pm |
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 7:34:54pm |
re: #47 WindUpBird
This has to be some sort of so-con bigot fever dream: Family Research Council says queer servciemen will RAPE THE ARMY if Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is repealed
So much wrong with those freaks, but they break their own rule again, disrespecting the troops.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 7:36:16pm |
Oh, and Pamela Geller is the subject of not 1 but 2 stories on HuffPo. I tried to educate, I really tried.
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pingjockey Wed, May 26, 2010 7:36:20pm |
re: #47 WindUpBird
As most of you know I was in the navy for 20 years. There were gays serving then and now and before. Never an uproar, kerfuffle, or any damn thing. Back in the bad ol’ days of the cold war, the reason given for no gays was some with a high security clearance could be blackmailed. In todays world that is probably less likely because society has changed. The congress will have to change the UCMJ, sodomy is still illegal. I roll my eyes at that one because it applied to everyone, not just gays. So if you and the better half were doing anything other than straight sex, you were in violation of the UCMJ too!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 7:37:34pm |
re: #53 reine.de.tout
How are you feeling today, DF?
Better?
Not yet. My doctor prescribed a short course of antibiotics to clear it up. The bad part is that short-term job may now be impossible, since I lost a training day. They understood my issue, though, and are still trying to figure out a way for me to finish the training. They’ll let me know if they’ve found a way tomorrow.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 7:37:52pm |
re: #45 Ojoe
Man I hope they shut it off.
It is a pipeline to a billion barrels it seems.
I saw video of the oil seeping in to the grasslands on the coast of Louisiana earlier. Steve Scalise asked Washington a week ago to approve a sand barrier to hold the oil back. Has that been approved yet?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 7:38:14pm |
re: #56 pingjockey
And whoever was breaking the UCMJ had the best wife ever. EVAH!!
///
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:40:46pm |
re: #58 NJDhockeyfan
I saw video of the oil seeping in to the grasslands on the coast of Louisiana earlier. Steve Scalise asked Washington a week ago to approve a sand barrier to hold the oil back. Has that been approved yet?
I haven’t seen anything today about the permits for that.
I do know that as of YESTERDAY, the Corps of Engineers was studying the ‘environmental impact’ of sand berms while considering whether or not to issue the permits.
Jindal got tired of waiting and ordered the work to begin. Again, I don’t know if the permits have been issued yet; but they had not been issued as of yesterday.
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pingjockey Wed, May 26, 2010 7:40:47pm |
re: #58 NJDhockeyfan
Jindal and some of the local pols as late as yesterday were ready to tar and feather the Army Corps of Engineers because the go ahead to build the berms hadn’t been issued.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 7:41:24pm |
re: #56 pingjockey
I am sure you already know this, but for anyone who might not:
Consensual oral sex between a man and a woman is considered ‘sodomy’, as is consensual anal sex between a man and a woman.
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freetoken Wed, May 26, 2010 7:42:13pm |
The oil industry is starting to circle its wagons, to resist the fall out from the BP disaster:
Exxon CEO defends offshore drilling
In the wake of the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, government policymakers should not automatically “jump to conclusions” that changes in offshore drilling procedures and regulations are needed, Exxon Mobil Corp. CEO Rex Tillerson said Wednesday.
“There have been very effective procedures in place,” he said. “There have been very effective regulations in place.”
If proper procedures are followed, equipment is maintained and tested, and workers are well-trained, “these things don’t happen,” he said in reference to the spill.
Sounds like Exxon thinks that they can play the BP-didn’t-follow-the-rules card in order to prevent legislation that will affect them.
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sagehen Wed, May 26, 2010 7:42:48pm |
re: #47 WindUpBird
This has to be some sort of so-con bigot fever dream: Family Research Council says queer servciemen will RAPE THE ARMY if Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is repealed
So… the FRC is worried that men will be subject to the same treatment that they brush off as “you probably deserved it” when women complain about it?
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pingjockey Wed, May 26, 2010 7:43:10pm |
re: #63 Slumbering Behemoth
You summed up the UCMJ article better than me. BTW…dueling is still on the list as verbotten too!
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:43:26pm |
re: #31 Varek Raith
LGF could use a gold theme…
/
Indeed….
Study Suggests Oregon Overdue For Big Quake
Oregon State University researchers found that there’s a one in three chance a major earthquake will hit the Pacific Northwest in the next 50 years.
But the chances of a big quake, aren’t the same for the whole region.
The probability of a big one from Newport, Oregon to Northern California is about 37% over the next 50 years. From Seaside north to Vancouver Island in British Columbia, the chance of a powerful earthquake is only 10 to 15 percent.
OSU professor Chris Goldfinger led the study
Goooold!
/PANIC!
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 7:43:31pm |
re: #61 reine.de.tout
I haven’t seen anything today about the permits for that.
I do know that as of YESTERDAY, the Corps of Engineers was studying the ‘environmental impact’ of sand berms while considering whether or not to issue the permits.
Jindal got tired of waiting and ordered the work to begin. Again, I don’t know if the permits have been issued yet; but they had not been issued as of yesterday.
No shit? What morons are in charge of that decision?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 7:44:08pm |
re: #63 Slumbering Behemoth
I am sure you already know this, but for anyone who might not:
Consensual oral sex between a man and a woman is considered ‘sodomy’, as is consensual anal sex between a man and a woman.
No to mention the chicken and….never mind.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:44:12pm |
Louisiana fishermen may get some relief -fisheries failure for Louisiana has been declared.
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sagehen Wed, May 26, 2010 7:44:41pm |
re: #61 reine.de.tout
“It’s easier to beg forgiveness than wait for permission.”
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:45:09pm |
re: #68 NJDhockeyfan
No shit? What morons are in charge of that decision?
It’s probably part of their normal process for evaluating permits.
I would think, however, that someone might consider that the environmental impact of the oil would be MUCH greater than piling up sand on the coast.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:45:10pm |
re: #70 reine.de.tout
Louisiana fishermen may get some relief -fisheries failure for Louisiana has been declared.
Bailout! Government intervention! Socialism!
/Wingnut.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 26, 2010 7:46:01pm |
Hey, just wanted to check in before beddie-bye and the ad at the top of the page scared the shit out of me.
Fuck you, Caress Body Wash!
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 7:46:03pm |
re: #64 freetoken
The oil industry is starting to circle its wagons, to resist the fall out from the BP disaster:
Exxon CEO defends offshore drilling
Sounds like Exxon thinks that they can play the BP-didn’t-follow-the-rules card in order to prevent legislation that will affect them.
It sounds like BP was cutting corners and ignored some safety rules. The others shouldn’t be punished by the incompetence of BP.
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pingjockey Wed, May 26, 2010 7:46:53pm |
re: #73 Killgore Trout
Maybe we could just give the Gulf Coast states BP? It’s gonna kill fisheries, tourism, the ripple effects will be huge.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 7:47:15pm |
re: #74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey, just wanted to check in before beddie-bye and the ad at the top of the page scared the shit out of me.
Fuck you, Caress Body Wash!
huh,,, I gotta VONAGE Ad
$14.99 a month
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:47:35pm |
re: #75 NJDhockeyfan
It sounds like BP was cutting corners and ignored some safety rules. The others shouldn’t be punished by the incompetence of BP.
That seems to be what it’s coming down to - BP ignored safety protocols and warnings they actually got from the readings on that well, before they started displacing the mud with seawater.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 7:47:42pm |
re: #74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey, just wanted to check in before beddie-bye and the ad at the top of the page scared the shit out of me.
Fuck you, Caress Body Wash!
You can probably get it in 6 packs.
/
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 7:47:59pm |
re: #75 NJDhockeyfan
Sounds more like, they shouldn’t let any more deep drilling happen until the companies in question prove they can fix a situation like this if the worst happens.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 7:48:32pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:48:44pm |
re: #77 sattv4u2
huh,,, I gotta VONAGE Ad
$14.99 a month
I see a MySpaceMusic ad (what the heck is that?) and a DermStore ad (and what is DermStore? Sounds interesting - I’ll go click).
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 7:49:17pm |
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 7:49:47pm |
re: #85 reine.de.tout
I try to do at least one clickthru a day, just to give Charles that extra penny or whatever its worth ;)
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pingjockey Wed, May 26, 2010 7:50:06pm |
re: #83 windsagio
Nah, just BP! /
It’s easier to put something into orbit than to work over a mile below sea level.
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 7:51:17pm |
re: #88 pingjockey
Hmm, I wonder how Britain would react, or are they another ‘registered somewhere stupid’ company?
And its so true. I hope thats what comes out of this, no more ‘oh I”m sure it’ll be okay’ permits ;D
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:51:21pm |
re: #87 windsagio
I try to do at least one clickthru a day, just to give Charles that extra penny or whatever its worth ;)
I do too.
But this one was interesting.
“DermStore” is actually a site I visited last night, looking for a particular brand of cosmetics.
And then it comes up in an ad on my LGF page?
Do advertisers have a way of knowing what you’ve visited or looked for, and can focus their ads for each particular person?
Is that a stupid question?
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 26, 2010 7:51:36pm |
Confuse-A-Cat
Youtube Video
“….wait for it!”
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 7:52:25pm |
re: #90 reine.de.tout
I think they do actually, just wouldn’t swear to it.
People complain about Google’s ‘targeted advertising’ all the time >>
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Just never mind. Wed, May 26, 2010 7:52:26pm |
re: #79 reine.de.tout
Apparently there was also a fight about decision making, right before the accident.
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pingjockey Wed, May 26, 2010 7:53:13pm |
re: #89 windsagio
I was just being a wise ass! If BP did cut corners and this was preventable, someone or someones need to have their cajones’ cut off.
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 7:53:58pm |
re: #94 pingjockey
Oh sure, but there are 2 parts of it >>
Eventually there will always be some accident.
BP just sped it up by being, well, an evil corporation ;)
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 7:54:02pm |
re: #83 windsagio
Nationalize oil production!
And put Sean Penn in charge. He can learn all about it from his buddy Chavez!
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pingjockey Wed, May 26, 2010 7:56:04pm |
re: #95 windsagio
Industrial accidents happen. However, you try and have redundancy built into any system like a drilling platform. I don’t know if you could have a back up to a blow out preventer or not, but some smart damn engineer had better be working on one.
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 7:56:14pm |
re: #96 sattv4u2
I was thinking we could import some nationalization experts from Iran >>
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 7:56:36pm |
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 7:57:05pm |
re: #97 pingjockey
I’d rather they work on developing capping methods y’know?
“Hope for the best, but Prepare for the worst”.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 7:58:58pm |
For you married fellers…
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 7:59:13pm |
I know I have pimped this more than once, but NatGeo has a special on tomorrow night at 10. NatGeo kinda rules. First 36 hours of the disaster.
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Ojoe Wed, May 26, 2010 7:59:32pm |
I am tired of old men white politicians who should have grown a beard,
they look like babies.
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Gus Wed, May 26, 2010 8:00:56pm |
Alex Jones and Ron Paul in one video: double the nausea.
I find it amazing that that horses patoot Ron Paul has the gall to criticize the Republican party when he identifies himself as Republican and no doubt has benefited from the RNC throughout his career.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:02:46pm |
re: #93 Floral Giraffe
Apparently there was also a fight about decision making, right before the accident.
[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com…]
re: #94 pingjockey
I was just being a wise ass! If BP did cut corners and this was preventable, someone or someones need to have their cajones’ cut off.
Ping, read the link Flo provided.
The Roi sent me an e-mail on his last hitch out, where he told me what he thought had happened, and it basically seems to be being borne out as details emerge.
The Company Man has the final decision. But here’s what hubby told me he would have done had he been there:
BP should never have done what they were likely doing. Our personnel did nothing wrong and if I was the Sr. Engr there I would not have allowed this to be done without objection. What I would have done is explain to the Co. man the dangers and then refuse to be where I would normally be until right before the seawater would be at the flowline. Which I could calculate. I would also not let any of my employees be there either.
On this rig, the Senior Eng. had finished his shift and was sleeping; and the junior engineer, the 28-year-old who was killed, probably was not experienced enough to know how far he could go in standing up to the company man. Hubby tells me his company is writing procedures for their employees, as to how to handle situations and what they are allowed to do, by company policy, when faced with dangerous decisions.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:03:08pm |
re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar
I know I have pimped this more than once, but NatGeo has a special on tomorrow night at 10. NatGeo kinda rules. First 36 hours of the disaster.
OH thanks for this!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:04:15pm |
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 8:05:00pm |
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HoosierHoops Wed, May 26, 2010 8:05:21pm |
re: #107 reine.de.tout
OH thanks for this!
Hi You! I Tivo that channel all the time..World class science on TV
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:05:26pm |
re: #108 Cannadian Club Akbar
might be 9 for you.
IF I even get Nat Geo. I need to check. That might be in the next tier up that we don’t get.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:06:55pm |
re: #111 reine.de.tout
IF I even get Nat Geo. I need to check. That might be in the next tier up that we don’t get.
I’ll send it to you
:)
((for a price !!))
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:07:02pm |
re: #111 reine.de.tout
IF I even get Nat Geo. I need to check. That might be in the next tier up that we don’t get.
Wonder if Charles can post it like the 60 Minutes thing.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:08:04pm |
re: #102 Slumbering Behemoth
For you married fellers…
OMG, I knew that was a vacuum cleaner before she unwrapped it.
LOL.
I would kill the Roi if he gave me a vacuum cleaner as a gift.
Don’t give me a gift that I’ll be using to clean up after you.
That comes under the heading of “household necessities”, not “gifts for the Queen”.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:08:31pm |
re: #113 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wonder if Charles can post it like the 60 Minutes thing.
Here’s hoping.
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Summer Seale Wed, May 26, 2010 8:09:16pm |
re: #75 NJDhockeyfan
It sounds like BP was cutting corners and ignored some safety rules. The others shouldn’t be punished by the incompetence of BP.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 8:09:31pm |
re: #109 JasonA
Yeah, I’m not down with the whole “Gotta spend big bucks on expensive jewelry to buy a woman’s love” nonsense. Probably why I’m still single.
/the vid is funny though
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:09:40pm |
re: #115 reine.de.tout
Here’s hoping.
Also, NatGeo might put it on their site and there is always Hulu.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:10:19pm |
re: #112 sattv4u2
I’ll send it to you
:)
((for a price !!))
yeah, heheheh.
It’s the price we don’t wanna pay.
We JUST recently got digital cable, and that was only because we had to in order to watch college sports.
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Gus Wed, May 26, 2010 8:11:12pm |
Funny political cartoon on Rand Paul:
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:11:12pm |
re: #117 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, I’m not down with the whole “Gotta spend big bucks on expensive jewelry to buy a woman’s love” nonsense. Probably why I’m still single.
/the vid is funny though
Well.
All I’ll say is that jewelry DOES come under the heading of “gifts for the Queen”.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 8:12:32pm |
Dodd blames Bush for oil spill
Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) on Tuesday said partial blame for the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico lies with the Bush administration.
Asked on the “Imus in the Morning” program on Fox Business Network if the Obama administration is to blame for the damaging fallout of the spill, the Connecticut senator took aim at the previous administration.
“Well, you know, they come into office a year ago with all of this. And so, after the last eight years —” Dodd said, until being interrupted by host Don Imus, who said “Oh, come on.”
“It was ‘drill, drill, drill.’ I think you were quoting ‘Drill, drill, drill’ a few months ago,” Dodd fired back.
“Don’t try to lump me with Sarah Palin,” Imus responded. “And don’t use that lame excuse to me about the Bush administration. Have you lost your mind?”
Yes he has.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 8:15:01pm |
re: #114 reine.de.tout
I totally get that, but it is one of those areas where men and women are so incredibly different from each other.
I would never dream of getting a wife a vacuum cleaner/dishwasher/dryer etc. for an anniversary gift, yet I (and most men) would be more than happy to receive a power tool as a gift, knowing full well it will be used for many “honeydew” projects.
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Just never mind. Wed, May 26, 2010 8:15:16pm |
re: #121 reine.de.tout
Well.
All I’ll say is that jewelry DOES come under the heading of “gifts for the Queen”.
And for the Floral Giraffe. I don’t know any woman who doesn’t appreciate a gift of jewelry.
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Pie-onist Overlord Wed, May 26, 2010 8:15:24pm |
re: #114 reine.de.tout
OMG, I knew that was a vacuum cleaner before she unwrapped it.
LOL.I would kill the Roi if he gave me a vacuum cleaner as a gift.
Don’t give me a gift that I’ll be using to clean up after you.
That comes under the heading of “household necessities”, not “gifts for the Queen”.
J. C. Penney? Like, that’s where I buy Zedushka’s gifts. Every year on his birthday and our anniversary, I get him PJ’s and underwear. And he likes it!
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prairiefire Wed, May 26, 2010 8:15:37pm |
I received this bag for a Christmas gift:dooney.com
Coach or Dooney Burke count towards queendom, IMHO.
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BryanS Wed, May 26, 2010 8:16:08pm |
re: #124 NJDhockeyfan
Dodd blames Bush for oil spill
Yes he has.
Beyond year one, “Bush did it” just sounds lame. Obama owns the consequences of his action or inaction in response to this disaster.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:17:00pm |
re: #127 Alouette
J. C. Penney? Like, that’s where I buy Zedushka’s gifts. Every year on his birthday and our anniversary, I get him PJ’s and underwear. And SAYS he likes it!
ftfy!!
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Bagua Wed, May 26, 2010 8:17:20pm |
re: #39 freetoken
Who’s keeping up with the “kill shot”. Read on one blog that something just happened (a blow up of the riser?)
Nope. What happened was enough mud precipitated to cloud up the water. It is about twice the weight of the sea water. It is clearer now.
Of course, the orifices through which the mud is shooting out are being slowly eroded and thus the rate of leakage is increasing. This is fully expected.
They have not blown up the riser and the mud injection is continuing.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 8:18:49pm |
re: #131 Bagua
They have not blown up the riser and the mud injection is continuing.
That sounds “dirty” in most definitions of the word.
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HoosierHoops Wed, May 26, 2010 8:21:11pm |
re: #126 Floral Giraffe
And for the Floral Giraffe. I don’t know any woman who doesn’t appreciate a gift of jewelry.
Dang Straight woman! Salt water pearl ear rings this year…
You know what I’m saying…*wink*
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Gus Wed, May 26, 2010 8:21:12pm |
re: #129 BryanS
Beyond year one, “Bush did it” just sounds lame. Obama owns the consequences of his action or inaction in response to this disaster.
Bush did it, Obama did it! I’ve come to the conclusion that the best way to avoid any criticism from now on, for any president, is to make a “beach landing” whenever there is a disaster like this. Arrive in either a Higgins boat or a Blackhawk and step out of the craft with a big fat stogie in the mouth or a corn cobb pipe.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 8:21:55pm |
re: #121 reine.de.tout
Well.
All I’ll say is that jewelry DOES come under the heading of “gifts for the Queen”.
Well.
All I’ll say is that if you expect me to plunk down several hundred dollars on glittery baubles for you, you had better be plunking down several hundred dollars on geeky electronics for me. Just sayin’.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:22:11pm |
re: #131 Bagua
I saw pics on TV while at work tonight (CNN, I think) Is that why it looked like 4 plumes were going on. Is the reason you posted the reason?
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sagehen Wed, May 26, 2010 8:23:05pm |
re: #89 windsagio
Hmm, I wonder how Britain would react, or are they another ‘registered somewhere stupid’ company?
And its so true. I hope thats what comes out of this, no more ‘oh I”m sure it’ll be okay’ permits ;D
Maddow did something on this last week… Transocean is a Switzerland company, the platform itself flies a Marianas Islands flag…
btw — transocean had their stockholders meeting last week, they *PAID DIVIDENDS*. So either they think they’ll get away with whatever part of the fault was theirs, or maybe they’re trying to grab the assets (betcha the board of directors and senior management are all big stockholders) and hollow out the company before the United States Government comes and takes whatever’s left?
Or maybe they’re just assholes.
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Pie-onist Overlord Wed, May 26, 2010 8:23:22pm |
re: #135 Slumbering Behemoth
Well.
All I’ll say is that if you expect me to plunk down several hundred dollars on glittery baubles for you, you had better be plunking down several hundred dollars on geeky electronics for me. Just sayin’.
Hey, I got Zedushka a laptop so he can surf the web while wearing his new underwear and PJ’s.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 8:24:07pm |
re: #137 sagehen
Maddow did something on this last week… Transocean is a Switzerland company, the platform itself flies a Marianas Islands flag…
btw — transocean had their stockholders meeting last week, they *PAID DIVIDENDS*. So either they think they’ll get away with whatever part of the fault was theirs, or maybe they’re trying to grab the assets (betcha the board of directors and senior management are all big stockholders) and hollow out the company before the United States Government comes and takes whatever’s left?
Or maybe they’re just assholes.
I’d say its that last one.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:24:36pm |
re: #138 Alouette
Hey, I got Zedushka a laptop so he can surf the web while wearing his new underwear and PJ’s.
Great. Now I love you!!
/
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Nimed Wed, May 26, 2010 8:24:45pm |
But hey, Alex Jones is apparently right about one thing: there was a CIA plan to portray Saddam as gay.
CIA unit’s wacky idea: Depict Saddam as gay
During planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA’s Iraq Operations Group kicked around a number of ideas for discrediting Saddam Hussein in the eyes of his people.
One was to create a video purporting to show the Iraqi dictator having sex with a teenage boy, according to two former CIA officials familiar with the project.
“It would look like it was taken by a hidden camera,” said one of the former officials. “Very grainy, like it was a secret videotaping of a sex session.”
Shiiiiiiiit.
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sagehen Wed, May 26, 2010 8:24:57pm |
re: #97 pingjockey
Industrial accidents happen. However, you try and have redundancy built into any system like a drilling platform. I don’t know if you could have a back up to a blow out preventer or not, but some smart damn engineer had better be working on one.
Betcha that $500,000 dead-man switch is looking like it would have been a bargain.
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BryanS Wed, May 26, 2010 8:25:08pm |
re: #134 Gus 802
Bush did it, Obama did it! I’ve come to the conclusion that the best way to avoid any criticism from now on, for any president, is to make a “beach landing” whenever there is a disaster like this. Arrive in either a Higgins boat or a Blackhawk and step out of the craft with a big fat stogie in the mouth or a corn cobb pipe.
Just as long as he’s careful not to ignite the ocean with that stogie or corn cobb pipe :)
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:25:19pm |
re: #127 Alouette
J. C. Penney? Like, that’s where I buy Zedushka’s gifts. Every year on his birthday and our anniversary, I get him PJ’s and underwear. And he likes it!
Alouette - ditto for the Roi.
His gift needs are much simpler than mine.
But I only want that jewelry once a year.
The rest of the year, my needs are as simple as his.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:26:06pm |
re: #137 sagehen
they *PAID DIVIDENDS*
Nothing nefarious about that at all
Dividends are paid on previous (fiscal) years profits either pre or post EBITDA. In that this just happened it would affect this fiscal years balance sheet, not last
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:26:19pm |
re: #128 prairiefire
I received this bag for a Christmas gift:[Link: www.dooney.com…]
Coach or Dooney Burke count towards queendom, IMHO.
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Gus Wed, May 26, 2010 8:26:38pm |
re: #143 BryanS
Just as long as he’s careful not to ignite the ocean with that stogie or corn cobb pipe :)
Kaboom!
Oops, I mentioned the evil tobacco. :0 /
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 8:26:45pm |
re: #138 Alouette
Hey, I got Zedushka a laptop so he can surf the web while wearing his new underwear and PJ’s.
Aw, you’re the best. I hope he cherishes you.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 8:26:56pm |
U.S. debt reaches level at which economic growth begins to slow
The level of U.S. debt has reached a point at which economic growth traditionally begins to slow, a bipartisan fiscal commission making recommendations to the White House and Congress was told Wednesday.The gross U.S. debt is approaching a level equivalent to 90 percent of the country’s gross domestic product, the level at which growth has historically declined, said Carmen Reinhart, a University of Maryland economist.
When gross debt hits 90 percent of GDP, Reinhart told the commission during a hearing in the Capitol, growth “deteriorates markedly.” Median growth rates fall by 1 percent, and average growth rates fall “considerably more,” she said.
Reinhart said the commission shouldn’t wait to put in place a plan to rein in deficits.
“I have no positive news to give,” she said. “Fiscal austerity is something nobody wants, but it is a fact.
Gross debt is at 89 percent and will reach 90 percent by the end of the year, said Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), a member of the commission.
Another commission member, Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas), described the situation: “Essentially, the needle is hitting the red zone in respect to economic growth.”
Change!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:28:14pm |
re: #149 NJDhockeyfan
U.S. debt reaches level at which economic growth begins to slow
Change!
Sorry, ain’t got none.
/
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:28:43pm |
re: #135 Slumbering Behemoth
Well.
All I’ll say is that if you expect me to plunk down several hundred dollars on glittery baubles for you, you had better be plunking down several hundred dollars on geeky electronics for me. Just sayin’.
hahaha.
In my house, I am also the geeky electronics person.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 8:28:56pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:29:20pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:29:30pm |
re: #137 sagehen
Maddow did something on this last week… Transocean is a Switzerland company, the platform itself flies a Marianas Islands flag…
btw — transocean had their stockholders meeting last week, they *PAID DIVIDENDS*. So either they think they’ll get away with whatever part of the fault was theirs, or maybe they’re trying to grab the assets (betcha the board of directors and senior management are all big stockholders) and hollow out the company before the United States Government comes and takes whatever’s left?
Or maybe they’re just assholes.
BP personnel were the decision-makers.
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Bagua Wed, May 26, 2010 8:29:47pm |
Tonight’s briefing from the BP spokesman gave support to our earlier observation that it appeared that mud, and not oil and gas are flowing out the riser on top of the BOP.
This is, as we discussed earlier, a promising sign because this could only occur if the mud pressure was sufficient to hold back the oil and gas pressure from the well. It is even more promising that they apparently achieved this using 40% of their planned injection rate. This leaves more headroom to increase flow rate of the mud as necessary.
What would throw water on this is if the obstruction is lower in the BOP beneath the mud injection site, and thus the mud will just free-flow up and out the leaks.
Alternatively, we hope the mud is actually being forced down the well as intended, but can only guess what is happening beneath the BOP.
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BryanS Wed, May 26, 2010 8:30:15pm |
re: #142 sagehen
Betcha that $500,000 dead-man switch is looking like it would have been a bargain.
The single most effective way to ensure this never happens again, would be to make all companies involved pay until it hurts. If BP gets a $50 billion bill, a few hundred thou will seem like a bargain of an insurance policy.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 8:31:15pm |
I just watched Maddow do a story on the Ixtoc disaster. I sure hope we’ve gotten better at shoving mud down a pipe since then.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:31:17pm |
re: #152 prairiefire
Yum!
absolutely.
Sometimes you can find them on sale at Dept stores.
And there are a few Bally outlet stores in choice places where folks with money tend to be (like Sandestin).
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 8:33:34pm |
re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: www.usdebtclock.org…]
And who was it who said here that the stimulus was working this morning?
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:34:02pm |
I am eating chocolates from Peru. I won’t tell you how good they are because you’ll hate me. More.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:34:17pm |
Warning: Kanooks at work….
Canadians Ambushed in Afghanistan (Helmet Cam)
Liveleak Video
Beauty, eh?
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PT Barnum Wed, May 26, 2010 8:34:18pm |
re: #159 reine.de.tout
absolutely.
Sometimes you can find them on sale at Dept stores.
And there are a few Bally outlet stores in choice places where folks with money tend to be (like Sandestin).
I have absolutely no sense of style, when you mentioned Bally, all I could think of was pinball.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:34:39pm |
re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am eating chocolates from Peru. I won’t tell you how good they are because you’ll hate me. More.
Oh, hell.
Chocolate makes all my worries disappear.
I’d love some about now.
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Gus Wed, May 26, 2010 8:35:18pm |
re: #162 Killgore Trout
Warning: Kanooks at work…
Canadians Ambushed in Afghanistan (Helmet Cam)[Video]Beauty, eh?
Does it have subtitles?
/
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PT Barnum Wed, May 26, 2010 8:36:01pm |
re: #164 reine.de.tout
Oh, hell.
Chocolate makes all my worries disappear.
I’d love some about now.
I have discovered the three secret phrases for a happy marriage.
“You’re right”
“I’m Sorry”
“I brought you chocolate.”
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:36:11pm |
re: #160 Dark_Falcon
And who was it who said here that the stimulus was working this morning?
//
Not sure. You know what we need? More stimulus!!!
telegraph.co.uk
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 8:36:14pm |
re: #163 PT Barnum
I have absolutely no sense of style, when you mentioned Bally, all I could think of was pinball.
I thought of exercise. Haven’t had that happen in a while…
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Pie-onist Overlord Wed, May 26, 2010 8:36:33pm |
re: #144 reine.de.tout
Alouette - ditto for the Roi.
His gift needs are much simpler than mine.
But I only want that jewelry once a year.
The rest of the year, my needs are as simple as his.
Zedushka buys me flowers every Friday. It took me 30 years to train him, but now he enjoys buying the flowers and he especially enjoys all the envious looks he gets from women at the checkout. :)
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Just never mind. Wed, May 26, 2010 8:36:37pm |
re: #156 Bagua
Pleasepleaseplease turn out to be good news.
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BryanS Wed, May 26, 2010 8:36:42pm |
re: #149 NJDhockeyfan
U.S. debt reaches level at which economic growth begins to slow
Change!
It’s a tipping point—there has never been any country in history that did not suffer after hitting that 90% mark. Over and over during the housing boom, we were told it’s different this time. Why should this debt ratio rule not apply to us? We and all the EU countries in similar or worse shape are whistling past the graveyard if we think we can sustain this kind of debt spending. It is not different this time—the US is not somehow special and protected from overspending.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:37:12pm |
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sagehen Wed, May 26, 2010 8:37:18pm |
re: #126 Floral Giraffe
And for the Floral Giraffe. I don’t know any woman who doesn’t appreciate a gift of jewelry.
I guess my family’s odd. Instead of an engagement ring, my brother gave his beloved an engagement Volvo. She was quite pleased.
We’re a practical people.
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Just never mind. Wed, May 26, 2010 8:37:40pm |
re: #159 reine.de.tout
Pssst, Ebay. Shhh. Easiest to shop if you know the name of the style.
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Nimed Wed, May 26, 2010 8:37:41pm |
U.S. debt reaches level at which economic growth begins to slow
Change!
nk”>#149 NJDhockeyfan
U.S. debt reaches level at which economic growth begins to slow
Change!
Bush did it. Really! Well, most of it, anyway
Image: budgetdeficit.png
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:37:55pm |
re: #157 BryanS
If BP gets a $50 billion bill, a few hundred thou will seem like a bargain of an insurance policy.
yeah ,, screw BO,, they have plenty of money
And if they start running out all they have to do is charge more to the people that buy their stuff every day !
wait ,, WHAT !?!?!
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 8:39:41pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:39:52pm |
re: #176 Nimed
Bush did it. Really! Well, most of it, anyway
Image: budgetdeficit.png
ummm, the Bush Era Tax cuts are due to expire. How can they be projected into the budget up to 2019?
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:39:56pm |
re: #125 Slumbering Behemoth
I totally get that, but it is one of those areas where men and women are so incredibly different from each other.
I would never dream of getting a wife a vacuum cleaner/dishwasher/dryer etc. for an anniversary gift, yet I (and most men) would be more than happy to receive a power tool as a gift, knowing full well it will be used for many “honeydew” projects.
Yes, they are.
I used to feel guilty about getting the Roi something less than what I wanted, or getting him that power tool he said he wanted. I finally figured out that we’re just different that way.
I want something personal and pretty.
He’s happy with a tool that will come in handy to fix something. Usually because I want it fixed. I’ve come to think that fixing things because we ladies want them fixed is what men do to communicate that they care about us.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:40:31pm |
re: #177 sattv4u2
If BP gets a $50 billion bill, a few hundred thou will seem like a bargain of an insurance policy.
yeah ,, screw BO,, they have plenty of money
And if they start running out all they have to do is charge more to the people that buy their stuff every day !
wait ,, WHAT !?!?!
no ,, my lack of typing skills (look at your keyboard)
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:40:53pm |
re: #178 JasonA
Screw BO?
Are your colors showing?
no ,, my lack of typing skills (look at your keyboard)
(and post # 181)
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 8:41:13pm |
re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not sure. You know what we need? More stimulus!!!
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]
The headlines get worse and worse…
Despite Soaring National Debt, Congress Goes on Spending Spree
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PT Barnum Wed, May 26, 2010 8:41:27pm |
re: #179 sattv4u2
ummm, the Bush Era Tax cuts are due to expire. How can they be projected into the budget up to 2019?
Assuming that the GOP gets back one or both houses of congress, how long do you think it will take for them to try to make them permanent?
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Bagua Wed, May 26, 2010 8:41:55pm |
re: #136 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw pics on TV while at work tonight (CNN, I think) Is that why it looked like 4 plumes were going on. Is the reason you posted the reason?
That is my belief. The mud will erode/cut metal at high pressure. More so than the oil, though the oil has sand in it and acts as a sand blaster. The other key factor is the pressure, you could bathe in a barrel of oil and only get sticky, but shoot it through a high pressure jet and it will cut right through you. The additional pressure would increase the erosion of the metal with both the oil and the mud.
So it was expected, which is why BP announced that viewers should not draw conclusions from what they see, and I have been highlighting this as expected.
They are trying to determine the minimum mud injection rate necessary to start pushing mud down the hole, then just let it slowly fill the well. This to avoid doing more damage to the BOP and riser by trying to fill it quicker with more pressure, and also to avoid damage to the well below the BOP.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:42:12pm |
re: #175 Floral Giraffe
Pssst, Ebay. Shhh. Easiest to shop if you know the name of the style.
(shh. I’ve used e-bay to buy, and also I’ve sold a few items there, myself. Can’t believe I forgot to mention it, thanks for the reminder!).
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:43:01pm |
re: #185 Bagua
Thanks. And stop hacking my twit account.
/
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BryanS Wed, May 26, 2010 8:43:11pm |
re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not sure. You know what we need? More stimulus!!!
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]
re: #177 sattv4u2
If BP gets a $50 billion bill, a few hundred thou will seem like a bargain of an insurance policy.
yeah ,, screw BO,, they have plenty of money
And if they start running out all they have to do is charge more to the people that buy their stuff every day !
wait ,, WHAT !?!?!
It does hurt them if they aren’t the only ones in the market—they can’t pass those costs easily on if their competitors do not have the the same impairment. It’s not like say a tax applied industry wide.
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Ojoe Wed, May 26, 2010 8:43:15pm |
These politicians are ridiculoure: #149 NJDhockeyfan
The level of U.S. debt has reached a point at which economic growth traditionally begins to slow
This is anecdotal but I’m driving trucks for the moment, for a food bank, but I’m an architect usually & I have been keeping my eyes out as I drive for transit mix concrete trucks.
I almost never see one.
Most buildings start with a concrete pour.
Anyway, the economy is hardly twitching.
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PT Barnum Wed, May 26, 2010 8:43:15pm |
re: #183 NJDhockeyfan
The headlines get worse and worse…
Despite Soaring National Debt, Congress Goes on Spending Spree
And this is new information how? Oh, yeah, it only counts as a spending spree if you’re not a Republican.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 8:43:27pm |
re: #182 sattv4u2
no ,, my lack of typing skills (look at your keyboard)
(and post # 181)
Okay, but that doesn’t explain this: ,,,
:P
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HoosierHoops Wed, May 26, 2010 8:43:32pm |
re: #182 sattv4u2
no ,, my lack of typing skills (look at your keyboard)
(and post # 181)
Satt..did you see the game? Can you believe the Magic??
I;m in Shock Satt… Man up or what?
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cliffster Wed, May 26, 2010 8:43:55pm |
re: #166 PT Barnum
I have discovered the three secret phrases for a happy marriage.
“You’re right”
“I’m Sorry”
“I brought you chocolate.”
you left out, “let’s watch Real Housewives, and discuss it on commercial breaks”
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:43:58pm |
re: #169 Alouette
Zedushka buys me flowers every Friday. It took me 30 years to train him, but now he enjoys buying the flowers and he especially enjoys all the envious looks he gets from women at the checkout. :)
Wow!
I bet he does get envious looks!
You trained him well; and also, I would say you must deserve it, or he would have been untrainable.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:44:37pm |
re: #184 PT Barnum
Assuming that the GOP gets back one or both houses of congress, how long do you think it will take for them to try to make them permanent?
Hopefully less time than it takes me to type this!
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 8:45:11pm |
re: #193 cliffster
you left out, “let’s watch Real Housewives, and discuss it on commercial breaks”
Grey’s Anatomy was my Real Housewives.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:45:49pm |
re: #190 PT Barnum
And this is new information how? Oh, yeah, it only counts as a spending spree if you’re not a Republican.
FWIW, i was on Bush for his bullshit. Just sayin’.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:46:20pm |
re: #188 BryanS
It does hurt them if they aren’t the only ones in the market—they can’t pass those costs easily on if their competitors do not have the the same impairment. It’s not like say a tax applied industry wide.
What do you think the profit margin is for an oil company ? (no,, not the profits, the profit MARGIN)
They don;’t have to raise the price significantly to garner millions a week. They could still be well within “market levels”
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:46:25pm |
re: #185 Bagua
Bagua - are you an engineer? Or would you rather not say.
You really seem to have a good understanding of what’s happening and why.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, May 26, 2010 8:46:29pm |
re: #182 sattv4u2
no ,, my lack of typing skills (look at your keyboard)
(and post # 181)
Could be a Freudian typo…and you might not even know it. ;D
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:47:05pm |
re: #192 HoosierHoops
Satt..did you see the game? Can you believe the Magic??
I;m in Shock Satt… Man up or what?
game,, what game?/ I know theres on Friday night ,,was there one tonight !?!?
/
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BryanS Wed, May 26, 2010 8:47:29pm |
re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not sure. You know what we need? More stimulus!!!
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]
Yeah. This is another angle on the conundrum we’re in:
marketwatch.com
We aren’t yet out of the woods from the most recent crisis. I’m hopeful that the experience of the Great Depression, and the current fed chair’s expertise in that era, will help us avoid the policy mistakes from that era. Still, there is still a good chance things will follow the same path. Most people only think of the crash as the Great Depression—they do not recall from history the short lived weak recovery one year on, followed by the real Great Depression shortly thereafter.
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PT Barnum Wed, May 26, 2010 8:47:47pm |
re: #195 sattv4u2
Hopefully less time than it takes me to type this!
Except that that means that that particular policy will continue to feed the deficit for the forseeable future.
There needs to be a discussion about what people are willing to pay for and an acceptance that taxes may have to go up if they want to keep the services and such that they’re accustomed to. We can’t keep pretending that if we just cut fraud and waste, we’ll be back in happy land again. Some hard choices need to be made, but everyone is of a mind set that they don’t care what gets cut as long as it isn’t something I care about.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:48:20pm |
re: #198 sattv4u2
What do you think the profit margin is for an oil company ? (no,, not the profits, the profit MARGIN)
They don;’t have to raise the price significantly to garner millions a week. They could still be well within “market levels”
8-10%, me thinks. Meanwhile, enjoy that $5 non-fat cap from Starbucks.
/
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Nimed Wed, May 26, 2010 8:48:25pm |
re: #179 sattv4u2
ummm, the Bush Era Tax cuts are due to expire. How can they be projected into the budget up to 2019?
Correction - some Bush era income tax cuts are due to expire.
Read all about it:
en.wikipedia.org
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cliffster Wed, May 26, 2010 8:48:35pm |
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Just never mind. Wed, May 26, 2010 8:49:07pm |
re: #185 Bagua
Thank you very much for your rational analysis & information.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 8:49:09pm |
re: #206 cliffster
Grey’s Anatomy works too.
For a second I actually cared about those characters. Then it passed.
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BryanS Wed, May 26, 2010 8:49:54pm |
re: #189 Ojoe
These politicians are ridiculou
This is anecdotal but I’m driving trucks for the moment, for a food bank, but I’m an architect usually & I have been keeping my eyes out as I drive for transit mix concrete trucks.
I almost never see one.
Most buildings start with a concrete pour.
Anyway, the economy is hardly twitching.
The trades involved in construction have all just experience a sharp contraction in the past month that has not yet hit the headlines. I know a number of people who have just been laid off once the housing tax incentive expired last month.
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PT Barnum Wed, May 26, 2010 8:50:02pm |
re: #206 cliffster
Grey’s Anatomy works too.
For me it’s Ghost Hunters on Syfy, which just drives me up a tree. I just can’t keep from pointing out all the bullshit ways the people on the show set themselves up to be scared silly. My wife has gotten to the point of asking me to leave the room so she can watch in peace without me snorting disdainfully through the whole thing.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 26, 2010 8:50:19pm |
re: #192 HoosierHoops
Satt..did you see the game? Can you believe the Magic??
I;m in Shock Satt… Man up or what?
that t-foul on Perkins was horseshit. i love to hate refs…
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Racer X Wed, May 26, 2010 8:51:07pm |
re: #201 sattv4u2
game,, what game?/ I know theres on Friday night ,,was there one tonight !?!?
/
“Where am I?”
- Big Baby
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Gus Wed, May 26, 2010 8:51:25pm |
re: #210 PT Barnum
For me it’s Ghost Hunters on Syfy, which just drives me up a tree. I just can’t keep from pointing out all the bullshit ways the people on the show set themselves up to be scared silly. My wife has gotten to the point of asking me to leave the room so she can watch in peace without me snorting disdainfully through the whole thing.
Cripes, I hate that ghost stuff. No such thing as ghosts.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:51:26pm |
re: #211 Aceofwhat?
that t-foul on Perkins was horseshit. i love to hate refs…
Holy Fuck!! You’re John McEnroe!!!
/
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PT Barnum Wed, May 26, 2010 8:51:47pm |
Okay..my eyes are starting to stray into each other’s socket so I’m going to go to bed. Gnite all.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:51:47pm |
re: #203 PT Barnum
Except that that means that that particular policy will continue to feed the deficit for the forseeable future.
only IF it’s not coupled with spending freezes and/ or cuts
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 8:52:15pm |
re: #210 PT Barnum
For me it’s Ghost Hunters on Syfy, which just drives me up a tree. I just can’t keep from pointing out all the bullshit ways the people on the show set themselves up to be scared silly. My wife has gotten to the point of asking me to leave the room so she can watch in peace without me snorting disdainfully through the whole thing.
Would you believe that’s Syfy’s highest rated show? Ugh.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:52:17pm |
re: #211 Aceofwhat?
that t-foul on Perkins was horseshit. i love to hate refs…
Both of them will be rescinded tomorrow, imho
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:52:52pm |
re: #216 sattv4u2
Except that that means that that particular policy will continue to feed the deficit for the forseeable future.
only IF it’s not coupled with spending freezes and/ or cuts
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BryanS Wed, May 26, 2010 8:53:24pm |
re: #198 sattv4u2
What do you think the profit margin is for an oil company ? (no,, not the profits, the profit MARGIN)
They don;’t have to raise the price significantly to garner millions a week. They could still be well within “market levels”
The margin is not that large. That was why all the grandstanding claims of profiteering when gas hit $4/gallon was just that—grandstanding. But actually holding the company responsible for the full cost/impact of this will change behavior of BP and their competitors. If the cost of not following safe drilling practices far outweighs the cost of the disaster, the companies will consider the spending on safety a prudent insurance expense.
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cliffster Wed, May 26, 2010 8:53:58pm |
re: #208 JasonA
For a second I actually cared about those characters. Then it passed.
I think there’s real opportunity for you here. “Hey honey, what do you think about the way McDreamy acted there?”. Up to you to take it or not. I wish you luck…
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:54:06pm |
re: #205 Nimed
Correction - some Bush era income tax cuts are due to expire.
Read all about it:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
correction (from your own link)
Nearly all of the cuts—individual rates, capital gains, dividends, estate tax—are set to expire after 2010.[1]
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Nimed Wed, May 26, 2010 8:54:29pm |
re: #198 sattv4u2
What do you think the profit margin is for an oil company ? (no,, not the profits, the profit MARGIN)
They don;’t have to raise the price significantly to garner millions a week. They could still be well within “market levels”
They are much more profitable than the average industry. They rank 7th with a 11.5% ROR. And I don’t know why you are so quick to dismiss transaction volume — size does matter.
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PT Barnum Wed, May 26, 2010 8:54:59pm |
re: #216 sattv4u2
Except that that means that that particular policy will continue to feed the deficit for the forseeable future.
only IF it’s not coupled with spending freezes and/ or cuts
And how likely do you think it is that anybody in either party is going to be willing to tell their constituents that they can’t have everything they want in government services without being willing to pay for it? The major entitlements aren’t going to the cadillac driving welfare queens, their going to the gray haired baby boomers who will scream bloody murder if you take away their medicare and social security. Only other place to get it is from the military, but that means pulling out of Afghanistan and Iraq. I don’t see the political courage anywhere that will result in that.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 8:55:07pm |
The Secret, 700-Million-Gallon Oil Fix That Worked — and Might Save the Gulf
There’s a potential solution to the Gulf oil spill that neither BP, nor the federal government, nor anyone — save a couple intuitive engineers — seems willing to try. As The Politics Blog reported on Tuesday in an interview with former Shell Oil president John Hofmeister, the untapped solution involves using empty supertankers to suck the spill off the surface, treat and discharge the contaminated water, and either salvage or destroy the slick.…The suck-and-salvage technique was developed in desperation across the Arabian Gulf following a spill of mammoth proportions — 700 million gallons — that has until now gone unreported, as Saudi Arabia is a closed society, and its oil company, Saudi Aramco, remains owned by the House of Saud. But in 1993 and into ‘94, with four leaking tankers and two gushing wells, the royal family had an environmental disaster nearly sixty-five times the size of Exxon Valdez on its hands, and it desperately needed a solution.
Pozzi, an American engineer then in charge of Saudi Aramco’s east-west pipeline in the technical support and maintenance services division, was part of a team given cart blanche to control the blowout. Pozzi had dealt with numerous spills over the years without using chemicals, and had tried dumping flour into the oil, then scooping the resulting tar balls from the surface. “You ever cooked with flour? Absorbent, right?” Pozzi says. Next, he’d dumped straw into the spills; also highly absorbent, but then you’ve got a lot of straw to clean up. This spill was going to require a much larger, more sustained solution. And fast.
That’s when Pozzi and his team came up with the idea of having empty ships park near the Saudi spill and pull the oil off the water. This part of the operation went on for six months, with the mop-up operations lasting for several years more. Pozzi says that 85 percent of the spilled oil was recovered, and it is precisely this strategy that he wants to see deployed in the Gulf of Mexico.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:55:26pm |
re: #220 BryanS
The margin is not that large. That was why all the grandstanding claims of profiteering when gas hit $4/gallon was just that—grandstanding. But actually holding the company responsible for the full cost/impact of this will change behavior of BP and their competitors. If the cost of not following safe drilling practices far outweighs the cost of the disaster, the companies will consider the spending on safety a prudent insurance expense.
And I agree that they should pay all the costs. But to just come out and arbitrarily say “FINE THEM A GAJILLION” is useless
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 8:56:13pm |
re: #225 NJDhockeyfan
The Secret, 700-Million-Gallon Oil Fix That Worked — and Might Save the Gulf
Why aren’t they trying this?
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Pie-onist Overlord Wed, May 26, 2010 8:56:25pm |
re: #194 reine.de.tout
Wow!
I bet he does get envious looks!
You trained him well; and also, I would say you must deserve it, or he would have been untrainable.
He actually knows the names of different types of flowers, and he knows how to pick a fresh bouquet, and to avoid blooms that are wilting or dried out. Also, he will never buy carnations because they are artificially colored.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 8:56:33pm |
re: #221 cliffster
I think there’s real opportunity for you here. “Hey honey, what do you think about the way McDreamy acted there?”. Up to you to take it or not. I wish you luck…
Oh, I’ve already been there.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:56:37pm |
re: #223 Nimed
They are much more profitable than the average industry. They rank 7th with a 11.5% ROR. And I don’t know why you are so quick to dismiss transaction volume — size does matter.
[Link: money.cnn.com…]
No it doesn’t. it just makes for a nice sound bite
“Obscene profits”
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:56:40pm |
re: #223 Nimed
Your link said food services were 7%. Not sure what that is, but restaurants are around 15%.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 26, 2010 8:56:41pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:57:30pm |
re: #223 Nimed
They are much more profitable than the average industry. They rank 7th with a 11.5% ROR. And I don’t know why you are so quick to dismiss transaction volume — size does matter.
[Link: money.cnn.com…]
And here’s what’s above them:
1 Network and Other Communications Equipment 20.4
2 Internet Services and Retailing 19.4
3 Pharmaceuticals 19.3
4 Medical Products and Equipment 16.3
5 Railroads 12.6
6 Financial Data Services 11.7
Railroads? Where did that come from?
But anyhow -
Where would you draw the line - what would be the number you think would be fair?
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PT Barnum Wed, May 26, 2010 8:57:51pm |
re: #217 JasonA
Would you believe that’s Syfy’s highest rated show? Ugh.
Drives me crazy. She also liked to watch that charlatan John Edward, who was doing cold readings. More bullshit.
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Bagua Wed, May 26, 2010 8:58:14pm |
re: #199 reine.de.tout
Bagua - are you an engineer? Or would you rather not say.
You really seem to have a good understanding of what’s happening and why.
I spent one summer working for roto-rooter, which puts my expertise on par with the BP engineers.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 8:58:20pm |
re: #233 reine.de.tout
what would be the number you think would be fair?
LESS ,,, it’s eeebbbill oil!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 8:58:26pm |
re: #232 Aceofwhat?
close…he’s a hero of mine…
What the F***!!! You know this F****** guy!! you’re pissing me off!!
//
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Spare O'Lake Wed, May 26, 2010 8:58:40pm |
re: #203 PT Barnum
Except that that means that that particular policy will continue to feed the deficit for the forseeable future.
There needs to be a discussion about what people are willing to pay for and an acceptance that taxes may have to go up if they want to keep the services and such that they’re accustomed to. We can’t keep pretending that if we just cut fraud and waste, we’ll be back in happy land again. Some hard choices need to be made, but everyone is of a mind set that they don’t care what gets cut as long as it isn’t something I care about.
I’m no economist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.
IIRC the stimulus plan had the critical goal of inflating asset values (via inflation) so that the debt load would be sufficiently reduced over time to create enough equity in real assets to allow businesses and individuals to qualify for the necessary personal and corporate borrowing to feed a real recovery.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, May 26, 2010 8:58:48pm |
OT…if you want to feel intellectually superior, watch “Billy the Exterminator”.
That guy wields our language with all the grace of a chimpanzee with a slide rule…
good night, all…
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 8:59:38pm |
re: #234 PT Barnum
Drives me crazy. She also liked to watch that charlatan John Edward, who was doing cold readings. More bullshit.
Never saw John Edward, but Derren Brown has done some really incredible stuff. He had a show on there for a season. They didn’t show his best stuff, though, like when he played Russian Roulette or got three people to rob an armored car.
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HoosierHoops Wed, May 26, 2010 8:59:40pm |
re: #211 Aceofwhat?
that t-foul on Perkins was horseshit. i love to hate refs…
It is a war out there..This isn’t play school…This is the best of the playoffs..
They are dragging Baby Davis off the floor and the trainer is holding up three fingers..
How many fingers go you see?
Mommy?
How many fingers do you see?
one? Six? Three?
Baby?
Yes?
Welcome to the NBA playoffs…
Mommy?
/This is a fraking war Lizards
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 8:59:49pm |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
Why aren’t they trying this?
In the Press conference earlier, they indicated that much of the surface oil is being dispersed or burned; this procedure is for surface oil, and whatever they’re doing now seems to be taking care of much of it, as I understood from the press conference.
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BryanS Wed, May 26, 2010 8:59:58pm |
re: #226 sattv4u2
And I agree that they should pay all the costs. But to just come out and arbitrarily say “FINE THEM A GAJILLION” is useless
OK — then we agree mostly. The $50 billion in cost to the economy may not be far off the true cost of this disaster. When entire industries lose business, the economic losses will be huge. BP needs to pay not just the cost of the cleanup, but the economic costs to fishing, tourism, and any other related industries that supply those directly affected.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:00:41pm |
re: #223 Nimed
They are much more profitable than the average industry. They rank 7th with a 11.5% ROR. And I don’t know why you are so quick to dismiss transaction volume — size does matter.
[Link: money.cnn.com…]
Is that before or after EBITDA?
Because the costs of doing business vary greatly from industry to industry, so it’s an important factor
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 9:00:51pm |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
Why aren’t they trying this?
If we had some leadership in Washington we would have seen some kind of effort already. Sadly on day 37 of the oil spill, we have none.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:01:22pm |
re: #236 Bagua
I spent one summer working for roto-rooter, which puts my expertise on par with the BP engineers.
LOL!
A tad better, then, than the ones who made the decisions leading to the blow-out.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 9:03:14pm |
re: #180 reine.de.tout
I’ve come to think that fixing things because we ladies want them fixed is what men do to communicate that they care about us.
Yes ma’am. And it ain’t just wives or girlfriends we do that sort of thing for.
I put in a fair amount of time working on “sonnydew” projects for my ma and my grandma.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 26, 2010 9:03:18pm |
re: #243 reine.de.tout
In the Press conference earlier, they indicated that much of the surface oil is being dispersed or burned; this procedure is for surface oil, and whatever they’re doing now seems to be taking care of much of it, as I understood from the press conference.
Thanks for that info.
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Gus Wed, May 26, 2010 9:05:12pm |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
Why aren’t they trying this?
Reads like a conspiracy in the making to me. Perhaps it’s a fine idea but there’s a big difference between a surface spill in the Arabian Gulf and a deep water leak. The Arabian Gulf is also Much smaller than the Gulf of Mexico and the waters are calmer. Just because it might work in theory doesn’t mean it would work in practice. I’m sure they’ve been flooded with numerous ideas each of which its proponents claim to be the smoking gun.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:05:25pm |
re: #93 Floral Giraffe
Apparently there was also a fight about decision making, right before the accident.
[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com…]
The BP guy who was on the rig right before the blow plead the 5th today at the hearing. It’s in the links.
(SFZ mode here)
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 9:05:32pm |
Red Cross Defends First Aid Courses for Taliban
The international Red Cross said Wednesday it would continue giving first aid training and kits to Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, despite drawing angry e-mails from around the world and criticism from an Afghan official after the practice was publicized.
The International Committee of the Red Cross trained “over 70 members of the armed opposition” in first aid last month, along with more than 100 Afghan police and civilians, including taxi drivers.
The courses started in 2006 and the neutral group will continue as long as they are needed, said Red Cross spokesman Christian Cardon.
“It’s the core of the ICRC’s mandate to make sure that people are cured whether they are from one side or the other side,” he told The Associated Press.
Britain’s Guardian newspaper on Tuesday quoted an unidentified official in Kandahar’s local government as criticizing the first aid training, saying the Taliban did “not deserve to be treated like humans.”
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:07:14pm |
re: #246 NJDhockeyfan
If we had some leadership in Washington we would have seen some kind of effort already. Sadly on day 37 of the oil spill, we have none.
NJD - honestly, neither the Fed nor State Gov’t have nearly the expertise that BP does. And by law, BP is responsible for fixing this mess.
With the exception of the Corps of Engineers which is delaying the issuance of those permits, it seems to me the feds and the state have done, basically, as much as they can do.
I thought it was silly when folks blamed Bush for Katrina and aftermath; and I think it’s just as silly now, to blame the Obama administration for this event. This was caused by BP making seriously bad decisions; and they should be held accountable for it without punishing the other oil companies who have been doing business in the Gulf for many decades without an incident.
But it’s not a problem that’s the fault of “lack of leadership in Washington”.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 9:07:51pm |
re: #254 reine.de.tout
Oh don’t crush his petty partisan hopes and dreams.
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Nimed Wed, May 26, 2010 9:08:15pm |
re: #222 sattv4u2
correction (from your own link)
Nearly all of the cuts—individual rates, capital gains, dividends, estate tax—are set to expire after 2010.[1]
Yes, they will “naturally” expire, unless Congress renews them, but Obama hasn’t decided on any tax cut apart from the income tax — that was his compromise in the 2008 campaign. You can’t have it both ways — all medium term doomsday deficit projections count on Bush tax cuts not expiring.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:08:34pm |
re: #251 Gus 802
Reads like a conspiracy in the making to me. Perhaps it’s a fine idea but there’s a big difference between a surface spill in the Arabian Gulf and a deep water leak. The Arabian Gulf is also Much smaller than the Gulf of Mexico and the waters are calmer. Just because it might work in theory doesn’t mean it would work in practice. I’m sure they’ve been flooded with numerous ideas each of which its proponents claim to be the smoking gun.
BP, in the press conference, said they had received, I think, something like 17,000 suggestions. I’ve no doubt that they’ve reviewed these and considered any that were feasible and reasonable.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:09:38pm |
re: #124 NJDhockeyfan
“Don’t lump me with Sarah Palin” is the best line. Ooh boy.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:10:01pm |
re: #255 JasonA
Oh don’t crush his petty partisan hopes and dreams.
We all have petty partisan hopes and dreams.
Sometimes we all need to just get a grip.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 9:10:18pm |
re: #259 reine.de.tout
We all have petty partisan hopes and dreams.
Sometimes we all need to just get a grip.
In bed.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:10:53pm |
re: #126 Floral Giraffe
And for the Floral Giraffe. I don’t know any woman who doesn’t appreciate a gift of jewelry.
Quite concur (DF tm)
| 262 |
sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:10:53pm |
re: #254 reine.de.tout
Rein.
Just to put this into perspective, if you know, how many rigs are there just in the Gulf, from lets say off of Galveston to NOLA and how far out are they?
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Varek Raith Wed, May 26, 2010 9:11:50pm |
Obama should use his laser vision to seal the pipe in the Gulf.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 9:12:39pm |
re: #263 Varek Raith
Obama should use his laser vision to seal the pipe in the Gulf.
Wouldn’t that prove he wasn’t born in Hawaii, though?
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Jack Burton Wed, May 26, 2010 9:12:50pm |
The Shrieking Harpy was just on Behar ranting about the Manhattan Mosque.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 9:13:28pm |
re: #265 ArchangelMichael
The Shrieking Harpy was just on Behar ranting about the Manhattan Mosque.
Then she should’ve bought it her damn self. Free market and all…
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:13:29pm |
re: #256 Nimed
Yes, they will “naturally” expire, unless Congress renews them
So I was not incorrect when I stated they were expiring, and you were not correct when you stated MOST will not
Thanks for clearing that up
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Nimed Wed, May 26, 2010 9:13:31pm |
re: #233 reine.de.tout
And here’s what’s above them:
1 Network and Other Communications Equipment 20.4
2 Internet Services and Retailing 19.4
3 Pharmaceuticals 19.3
4 Medical Products and Equipment 16.3
5 Railroads 12.6
6 Financial Data Services 11.7Railroads? Where did that come from?
But anyhow -
Where would you draw the line - what would be the number you think would be fair?
Well, don’t forget you left out 42 industries that are below that list.
I’m not advocating that the government should decide what’s a “fair” profit margin — but others commenters were making wrong guesses about it.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 26, 2010 9:13:32pm |
re: #265 ArchangelMichael
The Shrieking Harpy was just on Behar ranting about the Manhattan Mosque.
Go Behar!….?
.
.
.
.
.
That sounds so wrong…
/
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:13:34pm |
re: #166 PT Barnum
I have discovered the three secret phrases for a happy marriage.
“You’re right”
“I’m Sorry”
“I brought you chocolate.”
I’ve said it before, a good marriage is a contest of generosity.
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Gus Wed, May 26, 2010 9:13:48pm |
Esquire magazine…aka Beautiful Women, Men’s Fashion, Best Music, Drink Recipes…
D’oh!
/
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Varek Raith Wed, May 26, 2010 9:14:49pm |
re: #270 Stanley Sea
I’ve said it before, a good marriage is a contest of
generositysheer will and perseverance in the face of incredible eeevil.
FTFY.
/
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:15:03pm |
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Racer X Wed, May 26, 2010 9:15:16pm |
re: #262 sattv4u2
Rein.
Just to put this into perspective, if you know, how many rigs are there just in the Gulf, from lets say off of Galveston to NOLA and how far out are they?
In the Santa Barbara channel (SoCal) I think there are a total of 20 oil rigs.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 9:15:17pm |
re: #270 Stanley Sea
I’ve said it before, a good marriage is a contest of generosity.
Yeah, but only if she always gets what she wants.
:P
(I kid! I kid!)
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:16:20pm |
re: #274 Racer X
In the Santa Barbara channel (SoCal) I think there are a total of 20 oil rigs.
But all if not most of those are in much shallower waters, correct?
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freetoken Wed, May 26, 2010 9:16:36pm |
Bill O’, man of action:
Bill O’Reilly To Marc Lamont Hill: ‘You Kind Of Look Like A Cocaine Dealer’
No one can’t say that Faux isn’t entertaining!
| 278 |
Racer X Wed, May 26, 2010 9:17:09pm |
| 279 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 9:17:22pm |
re: #254 reine.de.tout
NJD - honestly, neither the Fed nor State Gov’t have nearly the expertise that BP does. And by law, BP is responsible for fixing this mess.
With the exception of the Corps of Engineers which is delaying the issuance of those permits, it seems to me the feds and the state have done, basically, as much as they can do.
I thought it was silly when folks blamed Bush for Katrina and aftermath; and I think it’s just as silly now, to blame the Obama administration for this event. This was caused by BP making seriously bad decisions; and they should be held accountable for it without punishing the other oil companies who have been doing business in the Gulf for many decades without an incident.
But it’s not a problem that’s the fault of “lack of leadership in Washington”.
I think the US government should be working on cleaning up as much oil floating in the Gulf as they possibly can. I’m not blaming Obama for the accident but you have to admit that attending 3 fundraisers in California yesterday and going on his second vacation tomorrow during the worst ecological disaster in US history doesn’t look good to the American people.
I bet you can also connect his recent dive in the polls to the perceived lack of action on this spill. Even top Democrats are criticizing him.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:18:00pm |
re: #262 sattv4u2
Rein.
Just to put this into perspective, if you know, how many rigs are there just in the Gulf, from lets say off of Galveston to NOLA and how far out are they?
The U.S. Gulf of Mexico offshore rig count is unchanged from last week, and 77 rigs remain under contract out of the fleet of 123 rigs currently deployed in the area. Fleet utilization is 62.6 percent. The ongoing oil spill control efforts and related drilling permit moratorium in the region are starting to have an effect on the region’s offshore rig market. Some rigs have not been able to begin planned drilling programs, and operators and rig owners alike are considering their options for keeping rigs working or releasing them from their contracts.
I’m not certain of their location.
The Roi works primarily on deepwater rigs, and he’s worked south of Galveston almost to Mexico, 150 or so miles out. Right now he’s 100 miles out.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 26, 2010 9:18:52pm |
re: #276 sattv4u2
But all if not most of those are in much shallower waters, correct?
Quick search seems to be
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:18:52pm |
re: #277 freetoken
Bill O’, man of action:
Bill O’Reilly To Marc Lamont Hill: ‘You Kind Of Look Like A Cocaine Dealer’
No one can’t say that Faux isn’t entertaining!
While posing a hypothetical, O’Reilly said to his guest “Say you’re a cocaine dealer, and you kind of look like one a little bit,” to which Lamont Hill quipped “You know, you actually look like a cocaine user.”
O’Reilly and Dr. Hill have a long history of teasing with each other on air
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Varek Raith Wed, May 26, 2010 9:19:21pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:19:37pm |
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Racer X Wed, May 26, 2010 9:19:58pm |
re: #276 sattv4u2
But all if not most of those are in much shallower waters, correct?
Looking - one is in 100 ft. of water.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 26, 2010 9:20:36pm |
re: #284 sattv4u2
I have no google-Fu skillage
See my 283.
Can’t use a < symbol right next to a number, apparently.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:20:55pm |
re: #254 reine.de.tout
NJD - honestly, neither the Fed nor State Gov’t have nearly the expertise that BP does. And by law, BP is responsible for fixing this mess.
With the exception of the Corps of Engineers which is delaying the issuance of those permits, it seems to me the feds and the state have done, basically, as much as they can do.
I thought it was silly when folks blamed Bush for Katrina and aftermath; and I think it’s just as silly now, to blame the Obama administration for this event. This was caused by BP making seriously bad decisions; and they should be held accountable for it without punishing the other oil companies who have been doing business in the Gulf for many decades without an incident.
But it’s not a problem that’s the fault of “lack of leadership in Washington”.
Easy gripe. Government is overstepping. Government sucks at everything. Where is the Government/President??!!
Thanks for putting common sense to it.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 9:21:02pm |
re: #282 sattv4u2
O’Reilly also has a history of going to a black restaurant in Harlem and being shocked that they don’t act like animals.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 9:21:02pm |
re: #282 sattv4u2
While posing a hypothetical, O’Reilly said to his guest “Say you’re a cocaine dealer, and you kind of look like one a little bit,” to which Lamont Hill quipped “You know, you actually look like a cocaine user.”O’Reilly and Dr. Hill have a long history of teasing with each other on air
Don’t spoil a great opportunity for FNDS.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:21:42pm |
re: #285 Racer X
Looking - one is in 100 ft. of water.
Thansk, thats why I’m saying “perspective”
That one is in 100 FEET of water
This one is in 5,280 FEET of water
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:22:43pm |
re: #265 ArchangelMichael
The Shrieking Harpy was just on Behar ranting about the Manhattan Mosque.
It’s on Huff Po. I tried in the comments to let them know she’s whack.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:23:00pm |
re: #268 Nimed
Well, don’t forget you left out 42 industries that are below that list.
I’m not advocating that the government should decide what’s a “fair” profit margin — but others commenters were making wrong guesses about it.
I didn’t forget anything.
I suspect these numbers change over time, and aren’t static from year to year.
But for now:
I guess I was wondering why the focus on and hate for the profits earned by the oil industry, which is important to our way of life, keeping us getting to work, keeping supplies moved around the country to places where they’re needed, whereas Internet Services and Retailing is probably more important to the FUN we have. Why don’t we demand that the folks who sell us our games take a smaller profit, making it less expensive for us to have fun?
| 294 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 9:23:03pm |
re: #253 NJDhockeyfan
Ugh. Did they offer similar training and services to the Nazis during WWII?
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 9:23:32pm |
re: #292 Stanley Sea
It’s on Huff Po. I tried in the comments to let them know she’s whack.
Ew. Even I don’t venture into the HuffPo comments section. You’re a brave woman.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:24:55pm |
re: #293 reine.de.tout
I didn’t forget anything.
I suspect these numbers change over time, and aren’t static from year to year.
But for now:
I guess I was wondering why the focus on and hate for the profits earned by the oil industry, which is important to our way of life, keeping us getting to work, keeping supplies moved around the country to places where they’re needed, whereas Internet Services and Retailing is probably more important to the FUN we have. Why don’t we demand that the folks who sell us our games take a smaller profit, making it less expensive for us to have fun?
Gone to a movie lately?
$10 for a MATINEE!!
Holywoods “Obscene Profits” should be investigated by Congress
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Varek Raith Wed, May 26, 2010 9:25:29pm |
re: #296 sattv4u2
Gone to a movie lately?
$10 for a MATINEE!!
Holywoods “Obscene Profits” should be investigated by Congress
PFFFTTT, see how much soda and popcorn costs?!?!
| 299 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:25:57pm |
re: #296 sattv4u2
Gone to a movie lately?
$10 for a MATINEE!!
Holywoods “Obscene Profits” should be investigated by Congress
Movies don’t make profits.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:26:10pm |
re: #297 freetoken
Hehe… Faux apologists in the house…
Hehe,,, Faux knee jerk haters in the house
(gee,, this game is fun, I wish I had played it before)
| 301 |
Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:26:18pm |
re: #278 Racer X
Nice!
It’s Diane Sawyer’s quote. I just repeat it.
She’s been married to Mike Nichols (director of the Graduate, and much more) since 88
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:26:28pm |
re: #298 Varek Raith
PFFFTTT, see how much soda and popcorn costs?!?!
No ,, ssshhhh,,, I sneak mine in!!
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:26:48pm |
re: #279 NJDhockeyfan
I think the US government should be working on cleaning up as much oil floating in the Gulf as they possibly can. I’m not blaming Obama for the accident but you have to admit that attending 3 fundraisers in California yesterday and going on his second vacation tomorrow during the worst ecological disaster in US history doesn’t look good to the American people.
I bet you can also connect his recent dive in the polls to the perceived lack of action on this spill. Even top Democrats are criticizing him.
And, IMO, they’re wrong to do so, just as folks were wrong to criticize Bush for being at his place in Texas before and after Katrina.
Anything that Obama would do right now would be strictly for PR reasons. And he (and his security entourage) would be getting in the way of the folks who are working to do the cleanup. I’m certain that he receives daily briefings, and is in communication with the people he needs to be communicating with (just as Bush probably was after Katrina) - it doesn’t matter where he physically is. If he needs to make a decision, he can make it from anywhere.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 26, 2010 9:26:57pm |
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 9:27:02pm |
re: #298 Varek Raith
PFFFTTT, see how much soda and popcorn costs?!?!
Yeah, but the theaters don’t see much of the money from the ticket sales.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:27:04pm |
re: #299 Cannadian Club Akbar
Movies don’t make profits.
Maybe oil companies should hire movie studios “creative” accountants
| 307 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 9:27:28pm |
Somali terror member may be heading to Texas
HOUSTON (AP) — U.S. Homeland Security officials have asked Houston authorities to watch for a member of a Somalia-based terror group who may be coming to Texas through Mexico.
The federal department issued an alert last week for a suspected member of the al-Shabaab group, which has declared allegiance to al-Qaida.
Harris County Sheriff’s spokeswoman Christina Garza said Wednesday she could not share details. U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Lloyd Easterling says he “cannot discuss specific intelligence regarding individual groups.”
The alert was issued after federal prosecutors in San Antonio added new charges earlier this month against a 24-year-old Somali man, Ahmed Muhammed Dhakane, who had been picked up in Brownsville in 2008.
He pleaded not guilty May 14 in federal court in San Antonio to three counts of immigration fraud.
Garza confirmed a connection Wednesday between Dhakane’s case and the Homeland Security alert but would not elaborate.
I don’t want to sound racist or anything but SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:27:47pm |
re: #305 JasonA
Yeah, but the theaters don’t see much of the money from the ticket sales.
They see half, IIRC for the first couple weeks.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 9:27:57pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, May 26, 2010 9:28:05pm |
re: #305 JasonA
Yeah, but the theaters don’t see much of the money from the ticket sales.
They would if they didn’t charge so much of the food!
Vicious circle is vicious.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:28:10pm |
re: #306 sattv4u2
Maybe oil companies should hire movie studios “creative” accountants
Points and bonuses.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:28:41pm |
re: #295 JasonA
Ew. Even I don’t venture into the HuffPo comments section. You’re a brave woman.
I get the urge occasionally.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 9:28:47pm |
re: #308 Cannadian Club Akbar
They see half, IIRC for the first couple weeks.
Are you sure it’s even that much? I’ll have to look that up.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:28:52pm |
Ah well,, gotta go run some new waveguide out to a new dish
YIIPPPEEEE!!!
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Nimed Wed, May 26, 2010 9:29:00pm |
re: #267 sattv4u2
Yes, they will “naturally” expire, unless Congress renews them
So I was not incorrect when I stated they were expiring, and you were not correct when you stated MOST will not
Thanks for clearing that up
Shrug. Like in the NY-23 discussion, you are now turning into an asshole.
There are items in the federal budget that “expire” every year, and every year they are renovated like clockwork. The CBO and other entities are forced to assume in their projections that the Bush tax cuts will expire. Most doomsday projections don’t. As I said before, you can’t have it both ways.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 26, 2010 9:29:08pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:29:43pm |
re: #313 JasonA
Are you sure it’s even that much? I’ll have to look that up.
Yes. I think it might go up the longer the movie is out. Hence, dollar theaters.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 9:31:10pm |
re: #308 Cannadian Club Akbar
I’ll look up more sources, but that sounds right from what I’ve heard.
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sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:31:37pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:31:51pm |
re: #292 Stanley Sea
It’s on Huff Po. I tried in the comments to let them know she’s whack.
HuffPo doesn’t know that already?
Surely they do.
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Racer X Wed, May 26, 2010 9:32:07pm |
My Times UP?
A 54 year old woman had a heart attack and was taken to
the hospital. While on the operating table she had a near death experience.
Seeing God she asked ‘Is my time up?’
God said, ‘No, you have another 43 years, 2 months and
8 days to live.’
Upon recovery, the woman decided to stay in the hospital and
have a face-lift, liposuction, breast implants and a tummy tuck.
She even had someone come in and change her hair color and brighten her teeth!
Since she had so much more time to live, she figured she might as well make the most of it.
After her last operation, she was released from the hospital.
While crossing the street on her way home, she was killed by an ambulance.
Arriving in front of God, she demanded, ‘I thought you
said I had another 43 years? Why didn’t you pull me from
out of the path of the ambulance?’
(You’ll love this)
- God replied: ‘I didn’t recognize you.’
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:33:04pm |
re: #319 sattv4u2
you are now turning into an asshole
Only NOW?
hell,, I’ve been one for DECADES
why, yes, you have been!
| 324 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:34:05pm |
re: #318 JasonA
I’ll look up more sources, but that sounds right from what I’ve heard.
I looked at WIKI. Some studios want 100% of revenues from first week openings. (but house gets $20 for popcorn) then they share.
| 325 |
sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:34:24pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, May 26, 2010 9:34:47pm |
I didn’t blame Bush for the response after Katrina.
I don’t blame Obama for the response to the Gulf disaster.
I’m going to bed.
Night!
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:35:12pm |
re: #320 reine.de.tout
HuffPo doesn’t know that already?
Surely they do.
Well, they have 2 stories that involve her posted today. Muslims taking over ground zero and the bus ad she’s paying for offering to convert Muslims.
| 328 |
sattv4u2 Wed, May 26, 2010 9:35:33pm |
re: #323 reine.de.tout
why, yes, you have been!
heh ,, I love the way some people try to frame the debate, then when you refuse to play by their “rules” (ones that tilt the playing field to their advantage, btw) they get pissed at you!
| 329 |
Four More Tears Wed, May 26, 2010 9:35:34pm |
re: #324 Cannadian Club Akbar
I looked at WIKI. Some studios want 100% of revenues from first week openings. (but house gets $20 for popcorn) then they share.
Ouch.
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palomino Wed, May 26, 2010 9:35:50pm |
WTF is Ron Paul talking about?
The “Freedom Movement of the last decade” is really just tea parties that started in early 2009.
“One world government” is really just Joe Biden saying something dumb about the EU.
And the “political realignment” is just right wing anger following losses in the last two elections; the pendulum swinging back to the GOP in Congress isn’t the same as a true realignment.
| 331 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:36:44pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:36:46pm |
OK, nighty-night time for me.
But I shall leave y’all with these - How Do These People Survive? My personal fave is #4.
ONE
Recently, when I went to McDonald’s I saw on the menu that you could have an order of 6, 9 or 12 Chicken McNuggets.
I asked for a half dozen nuggets.
‘We don’t have half dozen nuggets,’ said the teenager at the counter.
‘You don’t?’ I replied.
‘We only have six, nine, or twelve,’ was the reply.
‘So I can’t order half dozen nuggets, but I can order six?’
‘That’s right.’
So I shook my head and ordered six McNuggets
(Unbelievable but sadly true…)
TWO
I was checking out at the local Wal-Mart with just a few items and the lady behind me put her things on the belt close to mine. I picked up one of those ‘dividers’ that they keep by the cash register and placed it between our things so they wouldn’t get mixed.
After the girl had scanned all of my items, she picked up the ‘divider’, looking it all over for the bar code so she could scan it.
Not finding the bar code, she said to me, ‘Do you know how much this is?’
I said to her ‘I’ve changed my mind; I don’t think I’ll buy that today.’
She said ‘OK,’ and I paid her for the things and left.
She had no clue to what had just happened.
THREE
A woman at work was seen putting a credit card into her floppy drive and pulling it out very quickly.
When I inquired as to what she was doing, she said she was shopping on the Internet and they kept asking for a credit card number, so she was using the ATM ‘thingy’
(keep shuddering!!)
FOUR
I recently saw a distraught young lady weeping beside her car. ‘Do you need some help?’ I asked.
She replied, ‘I knew I should have replaced the battery to this remote door unlocker. Now I can’t get into my car. Do you think they (pointing to a distant convenience store) would have a battery to fit this?’
‘Hmmm, I don’t know. Do you have an alarm, too?’ I asked.
‘No, just this remote thingy,’ she answered, handing it and the car keys to me. As I took the key and manually unlocked the door, I replied, ‘Why don’t you drive over there and check about the batteries. It’s a long walk…..’
PLEASE just lay down before you hurt yourself !!!
FIVE
Several years ago, we had an Intern who was none too swift. One day she was typing and turned to a secretary and said, ‘I’m almost out of typing paper. What do I do?’ ‘Just use paper from the photocopier’, the secretary told her. With that, the intern took her last remaining blank piece of paper, put it on the photocopier and proceeded to make five ‘blank’ copies.
Brunette, by the way !!
SIX
A mother calls 911 very worried asking the dispatcher if she needs to take her kid to the emergency room, the kid had eaten ants. The dispatcher tells her to give the kid some Benadryl and he should be fine, the mother says, ‘I just gave him some ant killer……’
Dispatcher: ‘Rush him in to emergency !’
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Nimed Wed, May 26, 2010 9:37:31pm |
re: #293 reine.de.tout
I didn’t forget anything.
I suspect these numbers change over time, and aren’t static from year to year.
They are never too far from the top — they ranked 2nd in 2008, with 23% ROR, for instance. As you point out, it’s not like we’re getting rid of our oil dependency soon.
But for now:
I guess I was wondering why the focus on and hate for the profits earned by the oil industry, which is important to our way of life, keeping us getting to work, keeping supplies moved around the country to places where they’re needed, whereas Internet Services and Retailing is probably more important to the FUN we have. Why don’t we demand that the folks who sell us our games take a smaller profit, making it less expensive for us to have fun?
I guess people often get more pissed off at oil companies for several reasons, among them the relative lack of competition in the sector compared to other industries (people used to hate Microsoft too!), and the fact that it seems hard to hold them accountable for disasters that are their responsibility. The $75 million damage liability is a good example.
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Bagua Wed, May 26, 2010 9:37:33pm |
re: #254 reine.de.tout
NJD - honestly, neither the Fed nor State Gov’t have nearly the expertise that BP does. And by law, BP is responsible for fixing this mess.
With the exception of the Corps of Engineers which is delaying the issuance of those permits, it seems to me the feds and the state have done, basically, as much as they can do.
I thought it was silly when folks blamed Bush for Katrina and aftermath; and I think it’s just as silly now, to blame the Obama administration for this event. This was caused by BP making seriously bad decisions; and they should be held accountable for it without punishing the other oil companies who have been doing business in the Gulf for many decades without an incident.
But it’s not a problem that’s the fault of “lack of leadership in Washington”.
Absolutely. The danger here is that well meaning politicians will vow not to make Bush’s mistake (real or imagined) and take some drastic, heroic action that ends up causing far more damage than good. Show leadership, rah, rah. Let’s show those Oil Companies/Republicans/Democrats/Bankers/Feds/etc. we mean business. The result could be a bigger disaster.
Partisan politics and the superficial, agenda driven media are dangerous influences on what should be a science and engineering based exercise similar to a moon landing.
I’ll take the experts opinion over some grandstanding creationist Governor any day.
And as the the super-tanker hoover:
Right now, despite the unknown damage being done or what might happen, we simply do not have vast amounts of crude oil floating into the coastal areas.
A great deal is being dispersed, both by the dispersant and by the mile long journey up. Of what hits the surface, a good percentage is being skimmed off, weather permitting. Or sprayed with dispersant. No doubt plan B is to let more hit the surface to skim off.
The Persian Gulf leak in ‘91 was very different. Tanker, terminals, and surface wells leaked the oil. It didn’t travel up through a mile of sea water. That resulted in more of an oil slick. The Gulf spill is more like ropey patches of an oil-emulsion. If they cut off the dispersant more will reach the surface to cause a slick, but, the journey up and the high methane content will still change its consistency.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 9:39:55pm |
re: #303 reine.de.tout
And, IMO, they’re wrong to do so, just as folks were wrong to criticize Bush for being at his place in Texas before and after Katrina.
Anything that Obama would do right now would be strictly for PR reasons. And he (and his security entourage) would be getting in the way of the folks who are working to do the cleanup. I’m certain that he receives daily briefings, and is in communication with the people he needs to be communicating with (just as Bush probably was after Katrina) - it doesn’t matter where he physically is. If he needs to make a decision, he can make it from anywhere.
With record low poll ratings Obama could use a good PR opportunity.
What kind of cleanup is happening in the Gulf right now?
George Bush couldn’t interfere in Louisiana by law. He had to be asked first. There is nothing stopping the US government from attempting to clean up oil in the Gulf of Mexico.
BTW…I don’t think Obama hates Gulf coast residents.
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Bagua Wed, May 26, 2010 9:41:51pm |
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lostlakehiker Wed, May 26, 2010 9:42:09pm |
re: #135 Slumbering Behemoth
Well.
All I’ll say is that if you expect me to plunk down several hundred dollars on glittery baubles for you, you had better be plunking down several hundred dollars on geeky electronics for me. Just sayin’.
Now now, children. Fighting over money is uncouth. Spending each other into penury is uncool. Flowers, chocolate, wine, a lobster dinner you cook, it makes a bigger bang for the buck than schmuck does, schmuck.
If money doesn’t reach to that, there’s always doing some of the chores with a cheerful step, or doing them before asked, or doing one of hers by surprise.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:42:10pm |
re: #333 Nimed
I guess people often get more pissed off at oil companies for several reasons, among them the relative lack of competition in the sector compared to other industries (people used to hate Microsoft too!), and the fact that it seems hard to hold them accountable for disasters that are their responsibility. The $75 million damage liability is a good example.
True, about Microsoft. And silly, really, IMO.
The $75 million damage liability was done by our elected officials. And anger about that should be directed to them. Anything with that sort of a cap should either be reviewed every year (and adjusted), or should be written so that the cap is determined by some sort of formula, rather than being just a number.
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BlackFedora Wed, May 26, 2010 9:42:48pm |
I know how Charles feels about the anti-vaccination movement… this is a bit off topic but it concerns Alex Jones. Guess who Alex gave a credulous interview to on yesterday’s show (And yes.. sometimes I hate my brain and I listen to Alex Jones.) He gave a fawning, softball interview to Dr. Andrew Wakefield who was instrumental in beginning the panic over the MMR vaccine.
Jones is one of the top purveyors of anti-vax and just general anti-science paranoia on the fringes so it’s a shock a Republican is going anywhere near his program…. /sarcasm
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:42:50pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 9:43:27pm |
re: #326 Varek Raith
I didn’t blame Bush for the response after Katrina.
I don’t blame Obama for the response to the Gulf disaster.
I’m going to bed.
Night!
Intellectual consistency? We shall have none of that, sir! En garde!
/nite dude
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darthstar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:43:36pm |
re: #124 NJDhockeyfan
Dodd blames Bush for oil spill
Yes he has.
Imus didn’t like getting lumped in with Sarah Palin…Fuck him. Imus is a shitbag.
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BlackFedora Wed, May 26, 2010 9:44:26pm |
re: #23 Charles
If I did not know any better I’d think there was a mainstream media conspiracy not to expose Ron Paul’s nuttiness.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:44:28pm |
re: #340 BlackFedora
I have a pet name for Alex Jones. It starts with a “D” and ends with an “ouchebag”.
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darthstar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:44:52pm |
re: #141 Nimed
But hey, Alex Jones is apparently right about one thing: there was a CIA plan to portray Saddam as gay.
CIA unit’s wacky idea: Depict Saddam as gay
During planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA’s Iraq Operations Group kicked around a number of ideas for discrediting Saddam Hussein in the eyes of his people.
One was to create a video purporting to show the Iraqi dictator having sex with a teenage boy, according to two former CIA officials familiar with the project.
“It would look like it was taken by a hidden camera,” said one of the former officials. “Very grainy, like it was a secret videotaping of a sex session.”
Shiiit.
Saddam Hussein wasn’t gay, but his boyfriend was.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 9:45:27pm |
re: #330 palomino
WTF is Ron Paul talking about?The “Freedom Movement of the last decade” is really just tea parties that started in early 2009.
Not exactly. The Tea Parties started as a Pro-Ron Paul movement somewhere around 2006.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:45:56pm |
re: #336 NJDhockeyfan
With record low poll ratings Obama could use a good PR opportunity.
What kind of cleanup is happening in the Gulf right now?
George Bush couldn’t interfere in Louisiana by law. He had to be asked first. There is nothing stopping the US government from attempting to clean up oil in the Gulf of Mexico.
BTW…I don’t think Obama hates Gulf coast residents.
According to the press conference, there is not right this minute a lot of oil remaining on the surface - it is being taken care of.
The problem is the continued leakage, and the oil that is under the surface, and things are being done about both of those.
What is stopping the US gov’t from attempting to clean up the oil in the Gulf is:
1. By law, BP must clean it up.
2. BP has the expertise and equipment; the US gov’t does not.
And Bagua will have additional information, I hope, he’s really on top of this.
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darthstar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:46:27pm |
re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth
Not exactly. The Tea Parties started as a Pro-Ron Paul movement somewhere around 2006.
2006? Damn…those decades get shorter every century.
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palomino Wed, May 26, 2010 9:46:38pm |
re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth
Not exactly. The Tea Parties started as a Pro-Ron Paul movement somewhere around 2006.
But they were pretty obscure back then. The movement didn’t really take off until Obama became prez.
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Bagua Wed, May 26, 2010 9:48:16pm |
re: #279 NJDhockeyfan
I think the US government should be working on cleaning up as much oil floating in the Gulf as they possibly can. I’m not blaming Obama for the accident but you have to admit that attending 3 fundraisers in California yesterday and going on his second vacation tomorrow during the worst ecological disaster in US history doesn’t look good to the American people.
I bet you can also connect his recent dive in the polls to the perceived lack of action on this spill. Even top Democrats are criticizing him.
There are currently 1,300 vessels involved in containing the Gulf oil leak.
1.85 million feet of containment boom deployed, another 300,000 feet available
1.25 million feet of sorbent boom deployed and 1.02 million feet available.
Oily water recovered over 11.1 million gallons
Over a million gallons of dispersant deployed.
20,000 personnel responding.
What exactly should Obama do, put on his rubber boots and show up on the beach with a bucket and a sponge?
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:49:35pm |
re: #352 Bagua
There are currently 1,300 vessels involved in containing the Gulf oil leak.
1.85 million feet of containment boom deployed, another 300,000 feet available
1.25 million feet of sorbent boom deployed and 1.02 million feet available.
Oily water recovered over 11.1 million gallons
Over a million gallons of dispersant deployed.
20,000 personnel responding.
What exactly should Obama do, put on his rubber boots and show up on the beach with a bucket and a sponge?
Sorry to use your excellent post to say this, but NJD would bitch about that.
Thanks Baqua, your input is greatly appreciated.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 9:50:08pm |
Heavy girls likelier to have sex early
Parents concerned about their daughters putting on extra pounds may have a new reason to worry. Overweight girls are more likely to start having sex early, to have multiple partners during their teen years, and to eschew condoms compared to thinner teens, a new study shows. And the situation worsens as the number of excess pounds goes up.
South Carolina researchers found that obese girls were almost three times as likely as others to have had sex before age 13 and 30 percent more likely to have had sex with more than three partners during their teen years, according to the study presented this month at the annual meeting of the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.
Girls who were simply overweight had a lower, but still significant, risk of starting sex early. Compared to normal weight teens, they were 60 percent more likely to begin sex before age 13 and 30 percent were likely to have had sex with more than three partners.
Does this mean fat girls are hornier than thin girls?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 9:50:29pm |
re: #334 Bagua
I’ll take the experts opinion over some grandstanding creationist Governor any day.
Fuckin’ elitist.
/how do they work?
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darthstar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:51:51pm |
re: #336 NJDhockeyfan
With record low poll ratings Obama could use a good PR opportunity.
What kind of cleanup is happening in the Gulf right now?
George Bush couldn’t interfere in Louisiana by law. He had to be asked first. There is nothing stopping the US government from attempting to clean up oil in the Gulf of Mexico.
BTW…I don’t think Obama hates Gulf coast residents.
Bullshit. Bush could have mobilized National Guard and FEMA before the storm hit, like he did in Florida for his fucking brother in 2004 during Hurricane Charley.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 9:53:23pm |
re: #352 Bagua
There are currently 1,300 vessels involved in containing the Gulf oil leak.
1.85 million feet of containment boom deployed, another 300,000 feet available
1.25 million feet of sorbent boom deployed and 1.02 million feet available.
Oily water recovered over 11.1 million gallons
Over a million gallons of dispersant deployed.
20,000 personnel responding.
What exactly should Obama do, put on his rubber boots and show up on the beach with a bucket and a sponge?
Thanks for the info. Where did you find that?
Although I don’t think the Prez needs to get a shovel, going on vacation while the oil is still leaking isn’t a very smart move. The left is screaming louder than the right about this.
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lostlakehiker Wed, May 26, 2010 9:53:37pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
Heavy girls likelier to have sex early
Does this mean fat girls are hornier than thin girls?
It means they don’t have as much self control?
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:54:42pm |
re: #356 darthstar
Bullshit. Bush could have mobilized National Guard and FEMA before the storm hit, like he did in Florida for his fucking brother in 2004 during Hurricane Charley.
uh, no, he could not have mobilized the National Guard.
The Governor of the State can mobilize the National Guard.
The Feds can come in and help with FEMA - only IF THE STATE REQUESTS the help.
Which Governor Blanco (D) did not do, at the urging of other (D) officials here who did not want her to be seen going begging to an (R) President.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:54:43pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
Heavy girls likelier to have sex early
Does this mean fat girls are hornier than thin girls?
They try harder.
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:55:19pm |
re: #360 reine.de.tout
uh, no, he could not have mobilized the National Guard.
The Governor of the State can mobilize the National Guard.
The Feds can come in and help with FEMA - only IF THE STATE REQUESTS the help.
Which Governor Blanco (D) did not do, at the urging of other (D) officials here who did not want her to be seen going begging to an (R) President.
thank you.
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darthstar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:55:32pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
Heavy girls likelier to have sex early
Does this mean fat girls are hornier than thin girls?
What it means is that overweight girls have greater esteem issues(given our country’s propensity for admiring thin as beautiful) and are more likely to give in to the demands of horny young boys who just want to get their rocks off because they think it means the boys like them.
I do hope you don’t have any daughters.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:56:15pm |
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:56:47pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 9:56:51pm |
re: #363 darthstar
What it means is that overweight girls have greater esteem issues(given our country’s propensity for admiring thin as beautiful) and are more likely to give in to the demands of horny young boys who just want to get their rocks off because they think it means the boys like them.
I do hope you don’t have any daughters.
I have two daughters.
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Gus Wed, May 26, 2010 9:57:03pm |
re: #360 reine.de.tout
uh, no, he could not have mobilized the National Guard.
The Governor of the State can mobilize the National Guard.
The Feds can come in and help with FEMA - only IF THE STATE REQUESTS the help.
Which Governor Blanco (D) did not do, at the urging of other (D) officials here who did not want her to be seen going begging to an (R) President.
Yep. Governors have the authority to mobilize their own state national guard units.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:57:08pm |
re: #363 darthstar
What it means is that overweight girls have greater esteem issues(given our country’s propensity for admiring thin as beautiful) and are more likely to give in to the demands of horny young boys who just want to get their rocks off because they think it means the boys like them.
I do hope you don’t have any daughters.
That’s exactly right.
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Nimed Wed, May 26, 2010 9:57:09pm |
re: #339 reine.de.tout
True, about Microsoft. And silly, really, IMO.
The $75 million damage liability was done by our elected officials. And anger about that should be directed to them. Anything with that sort of a cap should either be reviewed every year (and adjusted), or should be written so that the cap is determined by some sort of formula, rather than being just a number.
I mostly agree with you. But to place the blame on that clause solely on Congress and pretend that the lobbying efforts of those poor oil companies didn’t have anything to do with it strikes me as naive — there’s plenty of blame and anger to go around, and a lot of precedents to this type of thing when oil companies are specifically involved.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 9:57:17pm |
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palomino Wed, May 26, 2010 9:57:42pm |
I know it’s become fashionable on the right to say that Obama’s poll numbers are plummeting over the last month or so. Fact is, they’ve been flat for the last six months.
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Racer X Wed, May 26, 2010 9:58:03pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
Heavy girls likelier to have sex early
Does this mean fat girls are hornier than thin girls?
Lets take a poll - Lady Lizards?
Kidding!
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Bagua Wed, May 26, 2010 9:58:22pm |
re: #353 Stanley Sea
Thanks Baqua, your input is greatly appreciated.
Thank you for that.
Pretty much all of us like to bitch at the other side politically. I know I do. Also, all of us have a tendency to see more fault in the side we didn’t vote for. Obama should be subject to criticism and examination like any other president, nothing wrong with that.
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darthstar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:58:36pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 9:58:43pm |
re: #369 Nimed
I mostly agree with you. But to place the blame on that clause solely on Congress and pretend that the lobbying efforts of those poor oil companies didn’t have anything to do with it strikes me as naive — there’s plenty of blame and anger to go around, and a lot of precedents to this type of thing when oil companies are specifically involved.
Organizations with interests are going to lobby for their interests.
The people’s agents (our congress-critters) should have the courage to do what’s right, despite the lobbying.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 9:58:46pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
Well, I have read that increased weight/fat leads to increased estrogen levels, so hormones may be playing a roll in that.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:58:54pm |
Nighty all. If you do prayers for peeps, do it for the Gulf tonight.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 9:59:16pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 9:59:21pm |
Big Spat on Rig Preceded Explosion
KENNER, La.—More details emerged Wednesday about a disagreement between employees of rig operator Transocean Ltd. and oil giant BP PLC over how to begin shutting down the well just hours before it exploded in the Gulf of Mexico last month.
Testimony on Wednesday about the disagreement, in a hearing held by the U.S. Coast Guard and the Minerals Management Service, which jointly regulate offshore drilling, was likely to bring increased scrutiny to the decisions BP made aboard the rig the day of the explosion, April 20.
There was also likely to be more focus on whether Transocean should have done more to ensure proper procedures were carried out.
Douglas H. Brown, Transocean’s chief mechanic on the Deepwater Horizon rig, said key representatives from both companies had a “skirmish” during an 11 a.m. meeting on April 20. Less than 11 hours later, the well had a blowout, an uncontrolled release of oil and gas, killing 11 workers.
Mr. Brown said Transocean’s crew leaders—including the rig operator’s top manager, Jimmy W. Harrell—strongly objected to a decision by BP’s top representative, or “company man,” over how to start removing heavy drilling fluid and replacing it with lighter seawater from a riser pipe connected to the well head. Such pipes act as conduits between the rig and the wellhead at the ocean floor, and carry drilling fluid in and out of the well.
Removing heavy drilling fluid prior to temporarily sealing up a well and abandoning it is normal, but questions have emerged about whether the crew started the process without taking other precautionary measures against gas rising into the pipe.
It wasn’t clear what Mr. Harrell objected to specifically about BP’s instructions, but the rig’s primary driller, Dewey Revette, and tool pusher, Miles Randall Ezell, both of Transocean, also disagreed with BP, Mr. Brown said. However, BP was in charge of the operation and the BP representative prevailed, Mr. Brown said.
“The company man was basically saying, ‘This is how it’s gonna be,’ ” said Mr. Brown, who didn’t recall the name of the BP representative in question.
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darthstar Wed, May 26, 2010 9:59:40pm |
re: #376 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, I have read that increased weight/fat leads to increased estrogen levels, so hormones may be playing a roll in that.
It’s not estrogen, it’s a desire to fit in socially.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 10:00:55pm |
re: #376 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, I have read that increased weight/fat leads to increased estrogen levels, so hormones may be playing a roll in that.
I knew there would be a scientific answer for that.
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Racer X Wed, May 26, 2010 10:01:12pm |
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lostlakehiker Wed, May 26, 2010 10:01:18pm |
re: #180 reine.de.tout
Yes, they are.
I used to feel guilty about getting the Roi something less than what I wanted, or getting him that power tool he said he wanted. I finally figured out that we’re just different that way.I want something personal and pretty.
He’s happy with a tool that will come in handy to fix something. Usually because I want it fixed. I’ve come to think that fixing things because we ladies want them fixed is what men do to communicate that they care about us.
Right you are. Also, doing other things. Give us the chance to communicate through deeds, and tongue-tied-ness vanishes.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:01:37pm |
re: #373 Bagua
Thank you for that.
Pretty much all of us like to bitch at the other side politically. I know I do. Also, all of us have a tendency to see more fault in the side we didn’t vote for. Obama should be subject to criticism and examination like any other president, nothing wrong with that.
Of course, but I look for realistic criticism. You know that’s not present.
:)
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 26, 2010 10:01:49pm |
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:02:02pm |
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BryanS Wed, May 26, 2010 10:03:22pm |
re: #356 darthstar
Bullshit. Bush could have mobilized National Guard and FEMA before the storm hit, like he did in Florida for his fucking brother in 2004 during Hurricane Charley.
Pretty good, non-partisan review of the facts. Seems like you’ve been overcome with partisanship. Plenty of blame to go around—and Bush did pre-authorize positioning of resources before the hurricane hit at the request of governor Blanco. Execution? Not so great, but it was only two days before the landfall that the potential scale of the impact was evident to Blanco and Bush. All levels of government deserve some blame. But note that Mississippi was just as devastated—albeit without the added challenge of a large city being inundated—and did not have the same coordination issues.
I think that Blanco and Bush both got some unfair criticism, though the agencies each were responsible for performed miserably. Nagin on the other hand comes out looking grossly incompetent according to factcheck.org’s synopsis.
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lostlakehiker Wed, May 26, 2010 10:03:51pm |
re: #8 Hieronymus Bosch
Alex Jones seems to have been coming up on this site a lot lately. Maybe some more attention should be paid to LaRouche also? He’s been saying some interesting things lately…
I don’t even want to read about LLR’s obituary. He’s L Ron Hubbard without the flair. A regular piece of work.
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darthstar Wed, May 26, 2010 10:04:32pm |
Cool…guy in a tie-dye caught a foul ball at the Giant’s game just now…ah, but the Giant’s lost to the Nationals…the Nationals? Sheesh. WTF, Lincecum?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:04:57pm |
re: #365 Stanley Sea
You know, I’m wondering why you’d post something like this.
It’s shitty.
Not really. If what I’ve read is true, that increased weight/fat leads to increased levels of estrogen, then it is simply a matter of natural reactions to hormones. This leads to an increased desire to procreate (thus the sex sans condoms), and an increase in critical mate selection in females.
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darthstar Wed, May 26, 2010 10:05:18pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 26, 2010 10:05:50pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
Heavy girls likelier to have sex early
Does this mean fat girls are hornier than thin girls?
You know… you’re a fucking asshole, you really are. Do you have any idea what kind of shit overweight people have to deal with on a daily basis… shit like your stupid assed neanderthal comment above?
Why don’t you go slap yourself in the head for a few hours and see if you can knock any sencse into yourself.
Jerk.
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Bagua Wed, May 26, 2010 10:05:57pm |
While cameras show clouds of liquid continuing to surge upward, BP said it appeared to be nontoxic drilling liquid, known as mud, not oil.
The plume of mud is “a good sign,” suggesting that the fluid is exerting enough pressure to stem the flow of crude and natural gas, said Don Van Nieuwenhuise, a professor of petroleum geosciences at the University of Houston. “If the pressure wasn’t great enough it would be mud and oil.”
Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry said she was “very encouraged” but added, “I do not want to express optimism until I know for sure” that the leak has stopped
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darthstar Wed, May 26, 2010 10:06:57pm |
re: #392 Walter L. Newton
You know… you’re a fucking asshole, you really are. Do you have any idea what kind of shit overweight people have to deal with on a daily basis… shit like your stupid assed neanderthal comment above?
Why don’t you go slap yourself in the head for a few hours and see if you can knock any sencse into yourself.
Jerk.
Well said, Walter.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:07:08pm |
re: #380 darthstar
It’s not estrogen, it’s a desire to fit in socially.
Not entirely. If what I have read is correct, an increase in estrogen levels does play a significant role.
Tip to the dudes: those estrogen levels increase in males who become overweight as well.
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Nimed Wed, May 26, 2010 10:07:24pm |
re: #375 reine.de.tout
Organizations with interests are going to lobby for their interests.
The people’s agents (our congress-critters) should have the courage to do what’s right, despite the lobbying.
That’s like saying that oil companies should have the courage to do what’s right and not lobby for unfair advantages. Both companies and Congress members almost never do in these cases, because they respond to incentives, like everybody else.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 10:07:58pm |
re: #367 Gus 802
Yep. Governors have the authority to mobilize their own state national guard units.
For State emergencies, the Governor is the Chief Commanding Officer of the State National Guard, and they can be mobilized only by order of the Governor.
For national emergencies, the President can ‘nationalize” the National Guard and call units into military service. But the President cannot mobilize the National Guard for a state emergency - that is the Governor’s call.
As far as federal intervention in emergencies - again, can only be done by request of the Governor of a state, who must make a specific request through appropriate channels; a cry for help during a TV interview is not sufficient. There are procedures and protocols for this. And Blanco did not make that request. Her staff, in fact, refused a call to her from FEMA, because she ‘was napping’. So …
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:08:42pm |
re: #390 Slumbering Behemoth
Not really. If what I’ve read is true, that increased weight/fat leads to increased levels of estrogen, then it is simply a matter of natural reactions to hormones. This leads to an increased desire to procreate (thus the sex sans condoms), and an increase in critical mate selection in females.
yeah, but we weren’t really talking about young overweight girl’s sex lives were we?
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:09:44pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:10:00pm |
re: #399 Stanley Sea
yeah, but we weren’t really talking about young overweight girl’s sex lives were we?
Hmm… My bad, I thought we were.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 26, 2010 10:10:48pm |
re: #396 Slumbering Behemoth
Not entirely. If what I have read is correct, an increase in estrogen levels does play a significant role.
Tip to the dudes: those estrogen levels increase in males who become overweight as well.
No… I assure you, take it from someone who is very close to this subject, more times than never these young girls are dealing with issues of self-esteem and acceptance by their peers, and they will turn to a number of different outlets to feel wanted. Even the addiction to food is a self-esteem issue, a self-medicating situation, the same as sex can be used to self medicate.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 10:11:56pm |
re: #397 Nimed
That’s like saying that oil companies should have the courage to do what’s right and not lobby for unfair advantages. Both companies and Congress members almost never do in these cases, because they respond to incentives, like everybody else.
What is the incentive to Congress to bow to the pressures of organizations rather than constituents (that is, people who vote)?
It’s not possible, IMO, to keep an organization, whether it’s a company or a non-profit or whatever, from trying to get whatever advantages they can.
It is possible, though, for voters to hold their Congressmen accountable. I think most folks just don’t pay nearly enough attention to what goes on, and so our Congress-folks don’t get held accountable, nearly often enough.
Just my .02.
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Gus Wed, May 26, 2010 10:12:30pm |
re: #398 reine.de.tout
For State emergencies, the Governor is the Chief Commanding Officer of the State National Guard, and they can be mobilized only by order of the Governor.
For national emergencies, the President can ‘nationalize” the National Guard and call units into military service. But the President cannot mobilize the National Guard for a state emergency - that is the Governor’s call.
As far as federal intervention in emergencies - again, can only be done by request of the Governor of a state, who must make a specific request through appropriate channels; a cry for help during a TV interview is not sufficient. There are procedures and protocols for this. And Blanco did not make that request. Her staff, in fact, refused a call to her from FEMA, because she ‘was napping’. So …
Governor Blanco was not in control of the situation. She finally admitted to her faults during the days that followed hurricane Katrina. I think the congressional report is very good and points out the faults which were on many levels of government. I tend to add the faults of individuals as well that remained in NO and were not disabled.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 10:13:35pm |
re: #404 Gus 802
Governor Blanco was not in control of the situation. She finally admitted to her faults during the days that followed hurricane Katrina. I think the congressional report is very good and points out the faults which were on many levels of government. I tend to add the faults of individuals as well that remained in NO and were not disabled.
I forgot about that Congressional Report. Yes, it’s very good.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 26, 2010 10:13:52pm |
re: #395 darthstar
Well said, Walter.
re: #400 Stanley Sea
Yeah, to the point, thanks Walter.
It still amazes me… we have tried to manage all sorts of ways to understand and accept people of colors, cultures, religions… all sorts of diversity issues… but when the subject of “fat” get trotted out, more times than none I hear the same old worn bullshit, the same sly-humor, the same snickers… some of us really have trouble dealing with fellow fat humans… still, after all these years.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:14:12pm |
re: #402 Walter L. Newton
I do not dispute that there are social factors at play, which is why I used the phrase “not entirely”. But there are also hormonal factors at play.
Extra weight means extra estrogen, for both women and men, and that hormone does different things to both women and men.
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Nimed Wed, May 26, 2010 10:14:14pm |
re: #387 BryanS
[Link: www.factcheck.org…]
Pretty good, non-partisan review of the facts. Seems like you’ve been overcome with partisanship. Plenty of blame to go around—and Bush did pre-authorize positioning of resources before the hurricane hit at the request of governor Blanco. Execution? Not so great, but it was only two days before the landfall that the potential scale of the impact was evident to Blanco and Bush. All levels of government deserve some blame. But note that Mississippi was just as devastated—albeit without the added challenge of a large city being inundated—and did not have the same coordination issues.
I think that Blanco and Bush both got some unfair criticism, though the agencies each were responsible for performed miserably. Nagin on the other hand comes out looking grossly incompetent according to factcheck.org’s synopsis.
Good job. Gotta love FactCheck and PolitiFact.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:14:19pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
Heavy girls likelier to have sex early
Does this mean fat girls are hornier than thin girls?
No, this probably means that fat girls are told so incessantly that they’re ugly and unfeminine that they’re far more likely to take stupid risks to prove that they’re desirable than thin girls.
But I’m sure everyone is just trying to help them be healthy by dumping on them.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 26, 2010 10:14:54pm |
Hell, I really need to get some sleep.
Very interesting evening, thank you all, I enjoyed the conversational agreements AND the disagreements!
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Gus Wed, May 26, 2010 10:16:33pm |
re: #405 reine.de.tout
I forgot about that Congressional Report. Yes, it’s very good.
Which is right here…
The Executive Summary puts it all in perspective.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 26, 2010 10:17:24pm |
re: #407 Slumbering Behemoth
I do not dispute that there are social factors at play, which is why I used the phrase “not entirely”. But there are also hormonal factors at play.
Extra weight means extra estrogen, for both women and men, and that hormone does different things to both women and men.
I’ll say it again, and I don’t need any stupid studies to tell me otherwise, the possible hormonal differences that may drive a young girls sexual appetite are miniscule compared to the self-esteem issue that I assure you is the biggest motivator.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:18:29pm |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
“Parents concerned about their daughters putting on extra pounds may have a new reason to worry.”
I love the way the reporter immediately phrases this into our usual meme of ‘worry about your kid being fat’. Don’t worry about your daughter’s self-esteem, or sexual education, just worry about her being thin. Everything else will follow THAT.
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alexknyc Wed, May 26, 2010 10:18:48pm |
re: #13 darthstar
Please, please, please let this happen…See Rand? That’s what you get for backtracking on being a racist…you should have just embraced it and said it was something you’re proud of…it was a winning strategy, I’m sure of it!
It doesn’t have to be because Rand is insufficiently racist.
It could also be because his position on issues like abortion are 180 degrees away from the libertarian position.
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Just never mind. Wed, May 26, 2010 10:19:33pm |
re: #409 SanFranciscoZionist
Bought a couple of your Jay Wiseman books. Thanks for the referral.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:20:45pm |
Why do estrogen levels rise?During puberty, it’s normal for levels of estrogen to rise. That’s because this hormone fuels changes in a young girl’s body. For example, it plays a role in the development of breasts, a more mature curved figure, fuller hips, and pubic and underarm hair.
In addition, high levels of estrogen are seen in women who are extremely overweight.
I am not trying to dump on anyone here, I am just saying there are biological reasons as well as social reasons at play.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 26, 2010 10:21:15pm |
re: #413 SanFranciscoZionist
“Parents concerned about their daughters putting on extra pounds may have a new reason to worry.”
I love the way the reporter immediately phrases this into our usual meme of ‘worry about your kid being fat’. Don’t worry about your daughter’s self-esteem, or sexual education, just worry about her being thin. Everything else will follow THAT.
No kidding… we better stop before you and I start agreeing to much tonight.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:23:48pm |
re: #413 SanFranciscoZionist
“Parents concerned about their daughters putting on extra pounds may have a new reason to worry.”
I love the way the reporter immediately phrases this into our usual meme of ‘worry about your kid being fat’. Don’t worry about your daughter’s self-esteem, or sexual education, just worry about her being thin. Everything else will follow THAT.
It’s a horrible article and theme.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:24:36pm |
re: #417 Walter L. Newton
No kidding… we better stop before you and I start agreeing to much tonight.
go for it, it’s late!
How’s it going Walter?
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Racer X Wed, May 26, 2010 10:24:41pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:24:43pm |
re: #412 Walter L. Newton
I get that you are very sensitive on the subject of those who are overweight, but I disagree that the biological factors are in any way minuscule. With that, I agree with you that the social factors (self esteem being one) are also a large part of the equation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:25:45pm |
re: #415 Floral Giraffe
Bought a couple of your Jay Wiseman books. Thanks for the referral.
Very welcome!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 26, 2010 10:26:08pm |
re: #419 Stanley Sea
go for it, it’s late!
How’s it going Walter?
Fine, just got home from work an hour ago, tired, just having a salad and then to bed…
Which is right now… see you later.
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Cheechako Wed, May 26, 2010 10:26:16pm |
re: #387 BryanS
[Link: www.factcheck.org…]
Pretty good, non-partisan review of the facts. Seems like you’ve been overcome with partisanship. Plenty of blame to go around—and Bush did pre-authorize positioning of resources before the hurricane hit at the request of governor Blanco. Execution? Not so great, but it was only two days before the landfall that the potential scale of the impact was evident to Blanco and Bush. All levels of government deserve some blame. But note that Mississippi was just as devastated—albeit without the added challenge of a large city being inundated—and did not have the same coordination issues.
I think that Blanco and Bush both got some unfair criticism, though the agencies each were responsible for performed miserably. Nagin on the other hand comes out looking grossly incompetent according to factcheck.org’s synopsis.
Here’s the the Official Congressional Report:
The report is 569 pages. Very interesting reading.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:26:54pm |
re: #417 Walter L. Newton
No kidding… we better stop before you and I start agreeing to much tonight.
It happens. Now and then. I quite agree, it’s disturbing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:30:23pm |
re: #421 Slumbering Behemoth
I get that you are very sensitive on the subject of those who are overweight, but I disagree that the biological factors are in any way minuscule. With that, I agree with you that the social factors (self esteem being one) are also a large part of the equation.
Let’s just say that I’m dubious. Any healthy young woman has the desire to have sex. I am very doubtful that being overweight carries enough estrogen with it to have such a profound impact on the libido.
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BryanS Wed, May 26, 2010 10:32:57pm |
re: #393 Bagua
While cameras show clouds of liquid continuing to surge upward, BP said it appeared to be nontoxic drilling liquid, known as mud, not oil.
The plume of mud is “a good sign,” suggesting that the fluid is exerting enough pressure to stem the flow of crude and natural gas, said Don Van Nieuwenhuise, a professor of petroleum geosciences at the University of Houston. “If the pressure wasn’t great enough it would be mud and oil.”
Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry said she was “very encouraged” but added, “I do not want to express optimism until I know for sure” that the leak has stopped
Here’s hoping this turns to be the first effective method to stanch the leak.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:33:00pm |
re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, but it does. It works the same way for men, but in the opposite direction.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:33:24pm |
OK, this weekend I was supposed to be co-hostess of a bridal shower for a college friend.
Now I learn that her sister, another co-hostess, is in the hospital following a brain aneurysm. This woman is forty, she has a small daughter. She’s engaged to be married this July.
My friend is up in Sacramento, taking care of her niece and basically flipping out.
And all I could think for about ten minutes is, “So, should I buy the pound cake for Saturday or not?”
Sometimes my brain is very, very stupid in times of stress.
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Bagua Wed, May 26, 2010 10:33:52pm |
re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist
Let’s just say that I’m dubious. Any healthy young woman has the desire to have sex….
Great, I find this out 40 years too late. Humph!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:34:36pm |
re: #429 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh, but it does. It works the same way for men, but in the opposite direction.
Oy! All right, all right.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:35:06pm |
re: #431 Bagua
Great, I find this out 40 years too late. Humph!
Not your fault, m’dear. They are strongly discouraged from admitting it, even to themselves.
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Nimed Wed, May 26, 2010 10:35:37pm |
re: #403 reine.de.tout
What is the incentive to Congress to bow to the pressures of organizations rather than constituents (that is, people who vote)?
It’s not possible, IMO, to keep an organization, whether it’s a company or a non-profit or whatever, from trying to get whatever advantages they can.
It is possible, though, for voters to hold their Congressmen accountable. I think most folks just don’t pay nearly enough attention to what goes on, and so our Congress-folks don’t get held accountable, nearly often enough.
Just my .02.
Essentially, campaign funding. Members of Congress spend a lot of their time securing funding for reelection — if they didn’t, they wouldn’t be reelected except in the bluest/redest of districts.
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 10:35:49pm |
Are you guys really talking about whether heavy women desire less sex?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:36:28pm |
re: #435 windsagio
Are you guys really talking about whether heavy women desire less sex?
No, whether they desire more.
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 10:37:31pm |
re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, may I ask why? Its more fun than reading up >
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:38:12pm |
re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist
A coping mechanism, likely.
re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist
Sorry, I am not trying to brow beat you or anyone else, but these things are easy to test, and are apparently well documented.
Hormones and hormone levels play a large part in our behavior. If they didn’t, how else could one explain the ape-shit behavior of those going through puberty?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:38:52pm |
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:41:19pm |
re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, this weekend I was supposed to be co-hostess of a bridal shower for a college friend.
Now I learn that her sister, another co-hostess, is in the hospital following a brain aneurysm. This woman is forty, she has a small daughter. She’s engaged to be married this July.
My friend is up in Sacramento, taking care of her niece and basically flipping out.
And all I could think for about ten minutes is, “So, should I buy the pound cake for Saturday or not?”
Sometimes my brain is very, very stupid in times of stress.
Uh, hopefully this is rescheduled?
Your brain is very typical.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:41:49pm |
re: #439 Slumbering Behemoth
A coping mechanism, likely.
re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist
Sorry, I am not trying to brow beat you or anyone else, but these things are easy to test, and are apparently well documented.
Hormones and hormone levels play a large part in our behavior. If they didn’t, how else could one explain the ape-shit behavior of those going through puberty?
I’m aware of the role hormones play, but I’m also aware of the strong social tendency to pathologize fat. I’m not actually saying that there may not be a hormonal factor in this information but:
1. I tend to believe that the social factor is much, much more relevant and
2. I can see the social implications of this, and they’re the same social implications that go with any weight issue.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:43:07pm |
re: #438 windsagio
Someone linked to what is more likely than not a poorly (insensitively) worded article, some folks took offense, and I have been trying to post comments relating to the biological science that may be at work regarding said article, hopefully without pissing anyone off in the process.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:43:28pm |
re: #435 windsagio
Are you guys really talking about whether heavy women desire less sex?
Started with this nice article dropped into the thread by NJD
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 10:43:52pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:43:56pm |
re: #443 Stanley Sea
Uh, hopefully this is rescheduled?
Your brain is very typical.
I think it will have to be rescheduled, yes, I don’t think you can have a brain aneurysm on Wednesday, and host a bridal shower on Saturday. Not even if you’re a high-powered attorney with a strong sense of social propriety, which this gal is.
She’s getting married in July, her sister, my friend, is getting married in October. The shower was for the sister.
The seven-year-old niece asked my friend if Mommy was going to to die.
ARRGGH.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:44:47pm |
re: #447 windsagio
Naturally >>
And I can’t make any damn controversy if I try!
I like you just as you are.
It was shitty if you ask me.
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 10:45:16pm |
re: #448 SanFranciscoZionist
Reminds me of my friend. For about 5 minutes he thought he had Eye Cancer, but turns out he’d just passed out and smashed it.
His story is much happier tho’, I guess
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:45:59pm |
re: #448 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it will have to be rescheduled, yes, I don’t think you can have a brain aneurysm on Wednesday, and host a bridal shower on Saturday. Not even if you’re a high-powered attorney with a strong sense of social propriety, which this gal is.
She’s getting married in July, her sister, my friend, is getting married in October. The shower was for the sister.
The seven-year-old niece asked my friend if Mommy was going to to die.
ARRGGH.
Oh hell. Tough situ. Hoping for the best….
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:46:01pm |
re: #449 windsagio
You are certainly brave ;)
It’s just that at times like this, I remember an essay I once read, by a fat woman who was told that she might have brain cancer. The doctor hectored her about losing weight for several minutes before bothering to tell her that her scans were clean.
People behave weirdly when fat comes up. And I can’t blame it on hormones, because it happens about other people’s fat too.
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 10:47:23pm |
re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist
The other weird piece is how people that aren’t really fat, think they actually are.
That part is maddening.
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:48:11pm |
re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist
That was one of the shittiest thread drops I’ve seen in awhile, because it wasn’t political, environmental, or ?
What was the point?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:48:17pm |
re: #451 windsagio
Reminds me of my friend. For about 5 minutes he thought he had Eye Cancer, but turns out he’d just passed out and smashed it.
His story is much happier tho’, I guess
Well, one of our mutual friends is listing off everyone she knows who’s had an aneurysm and been fine. One of these, apparently, had his aneurysm at a raucous party where everyone’d been drinking heavily, and when he fell over and stayed down, they thought nothing of it. Didn’t realize there was a problem until someone tried to wake him up the next MORNING to pour him into a car that was going his way.
And he recovered.
So Friend’s Sister should be fine, right? RIGHT, GODDAMNIT?
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:49:17pm |
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 10:49:18pm |
re: #456 SanFranciscoZionist
If I remember right, depending on the type, she’s either already dead or safe, or (scarily) has a ticking timebomb.
I pray its the former.
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 10:50:37pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:50:39pm |
re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist
I think we are on the same page, albeit reading things a bit differently. I do not dispute that the social factors play a huge part in the topic we are discussing. In fact, I would say that they are undeniable.
Still, I do believe some are not giving enough weight er, credit to the mighty significance that certain biological factors have in this subject.
Folks are always quick to say that hormones easily override logic when it comes to the activities of post-pubescent humans. Why would the same not be true here?
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:52:02pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:52:16pm |
re: #455 Stanley Sea
That was one of the shittiest thread drops I’ve seen in awhile, because it wasn’t political, environmental, or ?
What was the point?
Seemed funny, and he didn’t realize it was going to piss people off. At least I assume he didn’t.
Meh. I have fat issues. I have seen some really bad shit go down over this international obsession of ours.
When my BFF from high school was seventeen, she was, I don’t know, a size twelve maybe. Five-fivish. Her mother took her to the doctor because she was ‘so fat’, and the doctor put her on a thousand-calorie-a-day diet. This is a teenage girl with a packed schedule, mind you.
She became anorexic her freshman year of college, naturally, and thank God her hallmates staged an intervention and got her to counseling before things got too bad.
We’re not rational about this. Thin has become a idol, and a currency. It’s damn scary to me.
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tommysilver Wed, May 26, 2010 10:55:29pm |
Ron Paul: It’s great that people are unhappy…
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Stanley Sea Wed, May 26, 2010 10:55:54pm |
re: #463 SanFranciscoZionist
Seemed funny, and he didn’t realize it was going to piss people off. At least I assume he didn’t.
Meh. I have fat issues. I have seen some really bad shit go down over this international obsession of ours.
When my BFF from high school was seventeen, she was, I don’t know, a size twelve maybe. Five-fivish. Her mother took her to the doctor because she was ‘so fat’, and the doctor put her on a thousand-calorie-a-day diet. This is a teenage girl with a packed schedule, mind you.
She became anorexic her freshman year of college, naturally, and thank God her hallmates staged an intervention and got her to counseling before things got too bad.
We’re not rational about this. Thin has become a idol, and a currency. It’s damn scary to me.
Oh wow.
Being photoshop pure is an impossible goal. I agree, it’s a real problem.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:55:56pm |
re: #449 windsagio
You are certainly brave ;)
If you say so. My intent here is not to be offensive nor demeaning towards women or the overweight, nor to stir up any controversy. I am simply relaying the biological information that I have learned regarding excess weight, the way that effects hormones, and the way hormones effect behavior.
Right now, as I type, I am overweight. And I do notice a difference in that department.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:55:57pm |
re: #459 windsagio
If I remember right, depending on the type, she’s either already dead or safe, or (scarily) has a ticking timebomb.
I pray its the former.
She’s survived over twelve hours already, and that’s got to be a good sign. I don’t know what happens next. Her fiance is there, and her sister and the sister’s fiance drove up, and her mom and her mom’s friends live in the area. So lots of support. And she’s a young, fit woman, although I don’t know how much that counts for.
Our mutual friend and I kept coming up with things we’d seen on House, or the Discovery Channel, until we decided to stop.
My friend’s fiance is a nurse, as is their mom, so I’m hoping that will help in negotiating all the doctor/hospital stuff.
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Just never mind. Wed, May 26, 2010 10:56:46pm |
re: #448 SanFranciscoZionist
(((SFZ)))
Hope it all works out.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:56:55pm |
re: #461 Slumbering Behemoth
I think we are on the same page, albeit reading things a bit differently. I do not dispute that the social factors play a huge part in the topic we are discussing. In fact, I would say that they are undeniable.
Still, I do believe some are not giving enough
weighter, credit to the mighty significance that certain biological factors have in this subject.Folks are always quick to say that hormones easily override logic when it comes to the activities of post-pubescent humans. Why would the same not be true here?
It might be, but I’d need to see some real science on this specific subject to convince me. Let me just say.
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windsagio Wed, May 26, 2010 10:57:08pm |
PS: If you wanna be depressed, watch the video DS put in the next thread.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 10:58:36pm |
re: #466 Slumbering Behemoth
Right now, as I type, I am overweight. And I do notice a difference in that department.
Eh, I’ve dealt with plenty of horny fat men, lemme tell ya. :)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:58:39pm |
re: #463 SanFranciscoZionist
That is the flip side of the coin. Anorexia is just as damaging and unhealthy as obesity.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 10:59:36pm |
re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist
I ain’t sayin’ I ain’t horny, baby. But I could be a lot hornier.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 11:00:20pm |
re: #472 Slumbering Behemoth
That is the flip side of the coin. Anorexia is just as damaging and unhealthy as obesity.
Kills you much quicker.
Another friend recalls that the only time in her adolescence that her family didn’t criticize her for her weight was when she was bulimic. Then, they were thrilled, and bought her lots of new clothes.
This is what we do to our daughters. So they’ll be ‘healthy’.
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Just never mind. Wed, May 26, 2010 11:01:03pm |
re: #463 SanFranciscoZionist
Seemed funny, and he didn’t realize it was going to piss people off. At least I assume he didn’t.
Meh. I have fat issues. I have seen some really bad shit go down over this international obsession of ours.
When my BFF from high school was seventeen, she was, I don’t know, a size twelve maybe. Five-fivish. Her mother took her to the doctor because she was ‘so fat’, and the doctor put her on a thousand-calorie-a-day diet. This is a teenage girl with a packed schedule, mind you.
She became anorexic her freshman year of college, naturally, and thank God her hallmates staged an intervention and got her to counseling before things got too bad.
We’re not rational about this. Thin has become a idol, and a currency. It’s damn scary to me.
Yes and the standard, it 13 year old models in Vogue. I don’t know about you, but , me, I never looked like that. Not when I was…pick your age her.
And, at, *ahem* an older age now, I would not WANT to look like a starved 13 year old ( even if I could..)
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 26, 2010 11:01:06pm |
re: #473 Slumbering Behemoth
I ain’t sayin’ I ain’t horny, baby. But I could be a lot hornier.
/
And I’m having this conversation as I prepare to start my summer ‘get-in-shape’ program.
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tommysilver Wed, May 26, 2010 11:01:09pm |
I didn’t know that our troops are helping to grow the opium in Afghanistan! Thanks Ron and Alex!
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dugmartsch Wed, May 26, 2010 11:03:34pm |
re: #65 sagehen
So… the FRC is worried that men will be subject to the same treatment that they brush off as “you probably deserved it” when women complain about it?
Are you saying that having more homosexual rape would be a good thing for society? Am I strangely kind of agreeing with you?
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 11:05:53pm |
re: #469 SanFranciscoZionist
It might be, but I’d need to see some real science on this specific subject to convince me. Let me just say.
It’s there, sister. I’ve posted a couple of links, I suppose I could dig up more. But this isn’t really something we have to resolve to each others satisfaction this evening, is it?
I’ve been rather health conscious over the last decade or so, and have read much on the subject of weight, diet, exercise, and so on. Still, I am by no means an expert.
I was doing quite well until my hernia surgery (which forever limits a variety of exercises), and I will be the first to admit that I am in the shape I am in now due to laziness and lack of motivation.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 26, 2010 11:08:53pm |
re: #474 SanFranciscoZionist
That’s just as wrong as telling people “fat is beautiful” (though it can be on some, I won’t lie). You are right, being underweight will kill you faster than being overweight. But both are just as unhealthy.
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Nadnerb Wed, May 26, 2010 11:10:17pm |
I can smell the stupid through the screen. What a disgrace.
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Timmeh Thu, May 27, 2010 2:12:30am |
Rand Paul has also been a frequent guest on Alex Jones.
Jones, who sees big government conspiracies elsewhere, as well, has been an enthusiastic supporter of both Ron and Rand Paul. Both men have appeared on his show, which, of course, doesn’t mean they endorse his 9/11 views and other opinions. (Last December, Rand Paul’s campaign communications director, Chris Hightower, resigned after a blogger exposed Hightower as an anti-Christian who believed that the US government was responsible for 9/11. The Paul campaign, asked by a local newspaper, if Paul agreed with Hightower on 9/11, said it was a “complicated situation” with “truth on both sides.”) But Rand Paul has shown sympathy for Jones’ overall view of a world of global conspiracies, and he has expressed support for some of Jones’ unconventional ideas.
During a July 23, 2009 show, Jones, decrying the Wall Street bailout, asked Paul, “This isn’t really socialism….Isn’t this more akin to fascism?” Paul replied, “You’re exactly right.” Later on the show, while Jones was denouncing cap-and-trade legislation (which he says could lead to “toilet paper taxes”) and calling for investigating Al Gore, Paul noted that should the climate bill become law, “we will have an army of armed EPA agents—thousands of them.” These EPA troopers, according to Paul, would be free to burst into homes and apartments to determine if they were meeting energy-efficiency standards.
Paul also didn’t say anything when Jones raised an odd charge about the Federal Reserve. During a rant about the Fed, Jones claimed “we know that the Federal Reserve was clearly implicated in the kidnapping of a congressman’s baby” and commended Paul for his “courage” in taking on the Fed. Paul replied, “I appreciate that,” and he told Jones that he could not mount his Senate run “without you.”
Throughout this particular show, Paul graciously accepted Jones’ support for his pending Senate candidacy. He gave the impression that he and Jones were like-minded foes of the globalists and international financiers plotting to undermine, if not destroy, the United States for their own gain. And Paul noted that career politicians are no match for this enemy force: “the ones that evolve to the top of the Republican and the Democratic Party end up being the people who don’t believe in anything…and they get pushed around by the New World Order types.”
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