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— Billy Wilder
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:10:14pm |
If I post another Founding Father quote, will I get hollered at for being antagonistically Anti-Christian?
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swamprat Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:22:59pm |
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:24:18pm |
you know how when you're drinking vinho verde on a really hot baltimore night and you pull the bottle out of the freezer where you stuck it because the last few really hot baltimore days killed the cooler at the local booze place so you had to stick it in there so it would cool down and not taste like horsepiss and then you pull the bottle out before it's truly cool since you can't wait then stick the bottle back in the freezer and finish the first horsepiss warm glass and forget about it because you're speed-watching all six seasons of "lost" so you can find out a mystery that ends in nothing and then you remember your bottle of vinho verde which you forgot since you already had a glass and you've been busy commenting on lgf and also watching the clock tick down and at the same time keeping an eye on your dog and making sure the others aren't invading and trying to keep your intoxication level at a reasonable point and still and still and still...
...that second glass of vinho verde is like this.
Listen.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:24:25pm |
re: #2 Slumbering Behemoth
If I post another Founding Father quote, will I get hollered at for being antagonistically Anti-Christian?
/
This will be my last post of the night...
It isn't the one from Benjamin Franklin (a legit founding father about)...
the reasons you should pick an older woman for your mistress...
his essay to the French on his discovery that the sun gets up before noon, and if they did, too, they could take advantage of it for free...
his essay to the French academy of sciences or something on...farting...
It's a good thing BF was born among the later Puritans, and not the earlier. The earlier ones would have nailed his tongue to the tree.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:25:21pm |
Today's his b-day, BTW.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:25:31pm |
re: #4 Cato the Elder
No, but, thanks for filling us in. (I've never actually forgotten my bowl of ice cream, which is why I'm mumble-mumble pounds overweight.)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:30:02pm |
re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth
Sorry, yesterday was his b-day.
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swamprat Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:31:20pm |
re: #4 Cato the Elder
Auto upding for portuguese wine. My taste in portu-music runs to the theme song of "Petra" (soap opera) or the song, "problema tropicale".
Good night
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:35:38pm |
The Portuguese fado is utterly pagan, thoroughly Christian, and impossible without Islam.
Let those who can do equations figure that out.
Meanwhile, I listen.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:36:22pm |
Wonderful music there, Cato. Enjoyed the song.
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Bagua Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:42:29pm |
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:43:02pm |
re: #4 Cato the Elder
I'm still glad someone appreciates vinho verde and fado so much. Bebo à tua saúde, Cato.
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swamprat Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:43:11pm |
re: #4 Cato the Elder
And I object to the "horse- piss" description. ... Remember when you were a kid and got a model car? And there were paints you could buy for them. Testor was the name brand. The clear one was the thinner. Vino verde has the same flavor you got from the thinner, after it was used a lot, and you had to lick the brush to straighten the bristles, but the thinner had so many colors in it, you wondered if it was still worth using...
After they saw me do it, some of the Portuguese started using koolaid as a mixer.
/I kid you not.
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:45:50pm |
re: #4 Cato the Elder
you know how when you're drinking vinho verde on a really hot baltimore night and you pull the bottle out of the freezer where you stuck it because the last few really hot baltimore days killed the cooler at the local booze place so you had to stick it in there so it would cool down and not taste like horsepiss and then you pull the bottle out before it's truly cool since you can't wait then stick the bottle back in the freezer and finish the first horsepiss warm glass and forget about it because you're speed-watching all six seasons of "lost" so you can find out a mystery that ends in nothing and then you remember your bottle of vinho verde which you forgot since you already had a glass and you've been busy commenting on lgf and also watching the clock tick down and at the same time keeping an eye on your dog and making sure the others aren't invading and trying to keep your intoxication level at a reasonable point and still and still and still...
...that second glass of vinho verde is like this.
[Video]Listen.
Genius. Your post, not just the music.
How's your mom?
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Bagua Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:54:51pm |
re: #4 Cato the Elder
you know how when you're drinking vinho verde on a really hot baltimore night and you pull the bottle out of the freezer where you stuck it because the last few really hot baltimore days killed the cooler at the local booze place so you had to stick it in there so it would cool down and not taste like horsepiss and then you pull the bottle out before it's truly cool since you can't wait then stick the bottle back in the freezer and finish the first horsepiss warm glass and forget about it because you're speed-watching all six seasons of "lost" so you can find out a mystery that ends in nothing and then you remember your bottle of vinho verde which you forgot since you already had a glass and you've been busy commenting on lgf and also watching the clock tick down and at the same time keeping an eye on your dog and making sure the others aren't invading and trying to keep your intoxication level at a reasonable point and still and still and still...
...that second glass of vinho verde is like this.
[Video]Listen.
Favourited.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:56:38pm |
re: #5 EmmmieG
It was a Thomas Jefferson quote I posted without comment. Some folks thought I was trying to argue some point, some got a bit defensive.
I was just trying to be a bit silly with comment on this thread.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:57:32pm |
re: #19 Slumbering Behemoth
It was a Thomas Jefferson quote I posted without comment. Some folks thought I was trying to argue some point, some got a bit defensive.
I was just trying to be a bit silly with comment on this thread.
When was that? 2004?
/
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:58:22pm |
re: #4 Cato the Elder
Beautiful. Thank you.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:00:09pm |
Goodnight, all, once Cato's beautiful song is done.
Be well, be happy, and it IS worth working at it.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:00:41pm |
re: #17 Bagua
Teach me how to post an audio clip like you do all the time and I will play things for you that no human being has heard for a quarter century.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:00:44pm |
re: #20 Gus 802
Heh. Just a couple of nights ago. Perhaps I am being overly broad with the word "some". It was just a couple of folks. No harm, no foul. We made peace.
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:02:23pm |
re: #20 Gus 802
When was that? 2004?
/
Heh. Let's do some founding father quotes. You know, since they founded this as a Christian nation and all.
My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:04:50pm |
re: #25 iceweasel
“In no instance have… the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.”
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Bagua Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:05:07pm |
re: #23 Cato the Elder
Teach me how to post an audio clip like you do all the time and I will play things for you that no human being has heard for a quarter century.
That would be an honour. I'll prepare a guide and email it to you.
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Kronocide Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:05:56pm |
Fer fooks sayk Cato, anybody knows vinho verde tastes like cat piss not horse piss. But I've never drank it in Baltimore...
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:06:44pm |
re: #25 iceweasel
My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.
Holy shit, we were founded as a secular 'transnational progressive' nation!1!eleven!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:06:47pm |
re: #25 iceweasel
The one I posted a couple of nights ago:
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology..
Thomas Jefferson
Which, as I stated in that thread, is intended to prove nothing more than the mindset of the one quoted.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:07:09pm |
re: #16 iceweasel
Moms is good.
It was touch-and-go for a while.
The docs had her on Tequil for a day, which is the antibiotic they give you when you come back from the tropics and they don't know what the hell is killing you but they want to kill it anyway. Then they ran cultures and gave her something more specific, so she won't die of the cure.
And now she's back at home with my dad.
Thanks for asking.
Have you got a shot of whisky for me?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:09:03pm |
re: #32 Cato the Elder
What's up with your mom?
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:09:11pm |
re: #32 Cato the Elder
Moms is good.
It was touch-and-go for a while.
The docs had her on Tequil for a day, which is the antibiotic they give you when you come back from the tropics and they don't know what the hell is killing you but they want to kill it anyway. Then they ran cultures and gave her something more specific, so she won't die of the cure.
And now she's back at home with my dad.
Thanks for asking.
Have you got a shot of whisky for me?
I'm glad to hear she's back at home!
I wish I had whisky, you could have as much as you like. :(
(PS need your mailing address if you still want some [used] book presents!)
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:09:56pm |
"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it."
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Kronocide Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:09:59pm |
Funny you say that... I grew up in Dublin.... California.... LOL.
but I have been getting into the Islays lately.
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:10:45pm |
re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth
The one I posted a couple of nights ago:
Which, as I stated in that thread, is intended to prove nothing more than the mindset of the one quoted.
Excellent quote. I've always loved Jefferson.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:11:16pm |
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:12:32pm |
"My mind is my own church. "
"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst. "
"Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. "
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:13:35pm |
re: #40 Gus 802
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine
Damn, you beat me to that one!! Curse you! /
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Kronocide Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:13:44pm |
Anybody find it ironic that a statue of Jesus was destroyed by an 'act of God?'
Mebbe a little bit?
[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:13:55pm |
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:15:54pm |
re: #37 BigPapa
Funny you say that... I grew up in Dublin... California... LOL.
but I have been getting into the Islays lately.
Spent a night in a bar with a Dubliner who was trying to teach me the Dublin accent. Total failure.
re: #44 Gus 802
I will burn in Hell!
/
Just so long as the handbasket you go there in has room for me and Jimmah. :-)
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:15:58pm |
re: #42 iceweasel
Damn, you beat me to that one!! Curse you! /
Found a bunch here...
[Link: freethought.mbdojo.com...]
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Bagua Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:18:49pm |
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:19:21pm |
re: #46 Gus 802
Found a bunch here...
[Link: freethought.mbdojo.com...]
Excellent!
"That God cannot lie, is no advantage to your argument, because it is no proof that priests can not, or that the Bible does not. "
Saving this one for the next time someone carps about those of us who use pseudonyms rather than our names:
"Titles are but nicknames, and every nickname is a title. "
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:19:41pm |
"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes; fools and hypocrites. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical."
Thomas Jefferson
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:20:32pm |
I think it's pretty funny that a lot of the Teawanker theocons are always referring to many of the most notable founding fathers that were completely unlike this post 1980s televangelical revisionist nonsense. Many of them brands themselves as Constitutionalists while being largely Dominionist devils.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:20:34pm |
re: #43 BigPapa
Not surprised. Zeus has a hard-on for false idols.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:22:58pm |
"I have examined all the known superstitions of the Word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world "
Thomas Jefferson.
Yep, we're clearly a "christian nation". /
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:23:12pm |
re: #35 iceweasel
I'm glad to hear she's back at home!
I wish I had whisky, you could have as much as you like. :((PS need your mailing address if you still want some [used] book presents!)
Never mind the whisky, I've got James Joyce.
"Well you know or don't you kennet or haven't I told you, every telling has a taling, and that's the he and the she of it."
Mailing address to follow.
I take it you are soon off to the Celtic lands? where the drinkers are like fish and the fish ask what may water be?
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:23:59pm |
re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth
Not surprised. Zeus has a hard-on for false idols.
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Right. And to the pre enlightenment person that would have been a symbol from a higher power rather then the result of the highest point of electrical contact.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:24:52pm |
re: #52 Fozzie Bear
"I have examined all the known superstitions of the Word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world "
Thomas Jefferson.
Yep, we're clearly a "christian nation". /
That one is the most famous.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:26:07pm |
re: #54 Gus 802
That thing has been struck by lightning quite often. Photos of that occurring are rare, though.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:28:14pm |
re: #54 Gus 802
BTW, Zeus doesn't care for the false idols of Egypt either.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:28:21pm |
re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth
That thing has been struck by lightning quite often. Photos of that occurring are rare, though.
Yeah. You have to sit there and wait then have the shutter on B and wait for the right moment.
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:28:45pm |
re: #53 Cato the Elder
Never mind the whisky, I've got James Joyce.
"Well you know or don't you kennet or haven't I told you, every telling has a taling, and that's the he and the she of it."
Mailing address to follow.
I take it you are soon off to the Celtic lands? where the drinkers are like fish and the fish ask what may water be?
[Video]
Well, Joyce is even better than whisky, no?
I'm waiting to hear from the Brit Consulate. Probably gone soon if all goes well...
'Drink water? Fish fuck in it!'
WC Fields, paraphrased
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:28:59pm |
re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth
BTW, Zeus doesn't care for the false idols of Egypt either.
Linky no worky.
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:29:12pm |
re: #58 Gus 802
Yeah. You have to sit there and wait then have the shutter on B and wait for the right moment.
ha!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:31:13pm |
re: #60 Gus 802
Works fine for me. It's just a pic of the Luxor with a lightning strike in the background, which looks as though it is hitting the Luxor.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:31:13pm |
re: #61 iceweasel
ha!
It's either that or you put your hand up in the air and then try to feel the energy transference and create a placebic connection between your body and the lightning. You will now when to hit the shutter when you hear the lightning god hum "Olm" in your head.
Then you hit the shutter and presto!
//
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:31:38pm |
""They [preachers] dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live."
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:32:38pm |
re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth
Works fine for me. It's just a pic of the Luxor with a lightning strike in the background, which looks as though it is hitting the Luxor.
It's working for me too. Gus, hit refresh after you click?
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:32:57pm |
re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth
Works fine for me. It's just a pic of the Luxor with a lightning strike in the background, which looks as though it is hitting the Luxor.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:33:28pm |
re: #65 iceweasel
It's working for me too. Gus, hit refresh after you click?
Weird! It just worked.
Could it be...
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:33:35pm |
Something in a more humorous vein?
It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:33:47pm |
i've been hammered since 8am some one tell me a story before bed please
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windsagio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:33:48pm |
re: #66 Gus 802
That version wokred for me too, first one didn't.
I'd imagine most gods wouldn't htink much of Vegas >>
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:34:31pm |
re: #69 SpaceJesus
i've been hammered since 8am some one tell me a story before bed please
Once upon a time...
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AK-47% Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:34:45pm |
America was supposedly founded on the principles of religious freedom, but the first Puritan settlers arrived here so that they could practice their own version of religious intolerance without interference and friction from other religions.
But they have left America the legacy of believing itself to be the New Jerusalem, the City on the Hill, the Chosen nation, etc., which still raises its head with regularity, especially in times of crisis.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:36:13pm |
re: #70 windsagio
You better STFU before Dionysus comes along and smites your ass. Just sayin'.
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windsagio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:36:14pm |
re: #72 SpaceJesus
I still don't care too much, but I'm dissapointed we didn't end up shaming England >>
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AK-47% Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:36:17pm |
WC Fields was found reading a Bible on his deathbed. "Hard to imagine someone like you finally finding religion," commented a friend.
"Religion, hell!" replied WC Fields, "I'm looking for loopholes!"
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:36:53pm |
re: #70 windsagio
That version wokred for me too, first one didn't.
I'd imagine most gods wouldn't htink much of Vegas >>
Windy! What's this about Vegas? (sorry, havent been around and am not up to date)
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:37:13pm |
re: #73 ralphieboy
America was supposedly founded on the principles of religious freedom, but the first Puritan settlers arrived here so that they could practice their own version of religious intolerance without interference and friction from other religions.
But they have left America the legacy of believing itself to be the New Jerusalem, the City on the Hill, the Chosen nation, etc., which still raises its head with regularity, especially in times of crisis.
True.
Always remember thought that the first settles of North America were American Indians. ;) Asians were the first to discover America.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:37:19pm |
re: #76 windsagio
I still don't care too much, but I'm dissapointed we didn't end up shaming England >>
aye
germany will annihilate them
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:38:26pm |
re: #80 Gus 802
True.
Always remember thought that the first settles of North America were American Indians. ;) Asians were the first to discover America.
Cripes let me try that again.
Always remember though that the first settlers of North America were American Indians. Asians were the first to discover America.
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:38:26pm |
re: #81 SpaceJesus
aye
germany will annihilate them
Massive butthurt in the UK over the US win. LOL.
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windsagio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:39:15pm |
re: #79 iceweasel
Most uptight modern Gods aren't big fans!
Also, in the pinnacle of geekery, I"m gonna be competing in The US's biggest fighting game tournament in 2 weeks.
Totally gonna be 2 an' out tho >>
PS: I sent you a high tech whatsis.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:39:32pm |
Man is a Religious Animal. Man is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion -- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven.... The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:40:29pm |
re: #83 iceweasel
Massive butthurt in the UK over the US win. LOL.
i wish i could upding this 1000 times
also, fuck france. that's karma for what they did to ireland. assholes. all of them.
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:41:22pm |
re: #84 windsagio
Most uptight modern Gods aren't big fans!
Also, in the pinnacle of geekery, I"m gonna be competing in The US's biggest fighting game tournament in 2 weeks.
Totally gonna be 2 an' out tho >>
PS: I sent you a high tech whatsis.
Excellent! Have fun! vegas is fun.
Didn't get it. :( You sure you sent me a direct message?
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windsagio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:41:45pm |
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AK-47% Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:42:34pm |
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:42:41pm |
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Kronocide Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:43:21pm |
Time for some throwback MC 900 ft Jesus:
And I tried Joyce in high school, was not ready. You need to understand scotch before you understand Joyce.
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windsagio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:44:05pm |
re: #88 iceweasel
I cannot because you and jimmah don't find me sufficiently cool >
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:44:30pm |
So this is the moonbat hour, to be followed by a brief period of somnolence, and then the wingnuts rise to once again spew their rage into the world.
It's the circle of life.
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:44:31pm |
re: #87 SpaceJesus
i wish i could upding this 1000 times
also, fuck france. that's karma for what they did to ireland. assholes. all of them.
Too bad you weren't here. Jimmah cheered loudly for the US and yelled "Gae it up ya, ya bastids!" at the US goal.
Or something like that. Massive butthurt amongst the UK expats in the bar, LOL.
The UK press was hilarious too. Crying tasty tears all over.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:44:41pm |
where is jimmah i don't understand he used to say things i liked
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:44:49pm |
Not to long ago if you said that the Europeans and the Vikings didn't "discover" America you would have been chastised. Fortunately it's an accepted fact that they did not.
I was talking to someone who said once he was talking to his son about something he learned about Columbus "discovering" America in 1492 and he told me that his son said, "but daddy, there were people here."
Yep, there were people in North America long before the Vikings and the Europeans. It's a scientific, archaeological, paleontological and historical fact.
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windsagio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:45:36pm |
re: #95 iceweasel
Best thing out of the whole gulf disaster was the (pulled) ad that said "This is the second time New Orleans has survived the British!"
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:46:06pm |
re: #94 Fozzie Bear
So this is the moonbat hour, to be followed by a brief period of somnolence, and then the wingnuts rise to once again spew their rage into the world.
It's the circle of life.
Hey! I'm a moderate. I'm a Moonnut.
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:46:21pm |
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:46:49pm |
re: #93 windsagio
I cannot because you and jimmah don't find me sufficiently cool >
Whoops-- finished!
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:47:24pm |
re: #98 windsagio
Best thing out of the whole gulf disaster was the (pulled) ad that said "This is the second time New Orleans has survived the British!"
I totally agree. I can't believe they yanked that ad.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:47:33pm |
re: #95 iceweasel
me and my mates were next to some welsh guys at the bar this morning. it was some grand shit. there was some fighting, some spitting, some yelling, but in the end there were rounds all around. i still hate them though.
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:48:15pm |
re: #96 SpaceJesus
where is jimmah i don't understand he used to say things i liked
He misses you and is sleeping. :(
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windsagio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:48:56pm |
re: #102 iceweasel
I feel like I'm finally part of something! I'm so happy I'm glowing :D
(got ya set up)
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:49:06pm |
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windsagio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:50:37pm |
I'm bad at remembering what songs I"ve linked...
Did I show you guys the Gorillaz song/video that has a seizure warning at the start (for good reason?)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:50:41pm |
re: #92 BigPapa
Excellent. The first time I heard that was on the radio back in the early '90s. I had no idea who it was, but I just about lost my shit laughing so hard at the first verse:
"Suppose I accidentally got my shit together".
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AK-47% Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:50:45pm |
re: #97 Gus 802
I qualified the termd "first Puritan settlers" to refer to that particular batch of folks.
Lots of folks washed up on the shores of America before Columbus.
But Columbus gets credit for being the person who finally established a permanent link between the New World and the Old. Those who came before him just stopped, looked around and left, leaving just a few tantalizing traces for future archaeologists and historians to debate about.
Sorta like how there were lots of folks who flew various contraptions before the Wright brothers, but they were the first people to offer a flying machine for sale with a guarantee it would meet minimum specs on altitude reached, distance flown, and, most important, would land safely within a quarter-mile of where it started.
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:51:03pm |
re: #94 Fozzie Bear
So this is the moonbat hour, to be followed by a brief period of somnolence, and then the wingnuts rise to once again spew their rage into the world.
It's the circle of life.
but we don't have any moonbats here.
Seriously, we don't have any Code Pink types, and only like 4 people who even supported a public option. (so not only do we not have moonbats, we don't even have super-hardcore progressives [firebaggers])
Not complaining about that, btw.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:51:38pm |
re: #111 iceweasel
but we don't have any moonbats here.
Seriously, we don't have any Code Pink types, and only like 4 people who even supported a public option. (so not only do we not have moonbats, we don't even have super-hardcore progressives [firebaggers])Not complaining about that, btw.
I'm just adopting the parlance of the land.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:53:50pm |
re: #94 Fozzie Bear
So this is the moonbat hour, to be followed by a brief period of somnolence, and then the wingnuts rise to once again spew their rage into the world.
It's the circle of life.
no. this is communist hour, act right fozzie bear
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:53:50pm |
re: #97 Gus 802
Yep, there were people in North America long before the Vikings and the Europeans. It's a scientific, archaeological, paleontological and historical fact.
And they were, in fact, Christians.
/They just didn't know it yet.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:54:36pm |
re: #110 ralphieboy
I qualified the termd "first Puritan settlers" to refer to that particular batch of folks.
Lots of folks washed up on the shores of America before Columbus.
But Columbus gets credit for being the person who finally established a permanent link between the New World and the Old. Those who came before him just stopped, looked around and left, leaving just a few tantalizing traces for future archaeologists and historians to debate about.
Sorta like how there were lots of folks who flew various contraptions before the Wright brothers, but they were the first people to offer a flying machine for sale with a guarantee it would meet minimum specs on altitude reached, distance flown, and, most important, would land safely within a quarter-mile of where it started.
Right. I was just rambling on technicalities. Sure, I accept that Columbus "discovered" America. He "discovered" America for the Europeans. Not really Europe but Spain because Italy and Portugal told him to go fly a kite.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:56:05pm |
re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth
And they were, in fact, Christians.
/They just didn't know it yet.
And unto thine savages I hereby declare thee ex post facto subjects of the Holy See!
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:56:05pm |
re: #107 SpaceJesus
will you whisper something in his ear for me
Look, I'm not one to judge, and I ain't, but can we keep the freaky sex talk outta here?
/
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:56:18pm |
I was all for a robust public option.
Then again, I am also all for returning taxation rates at the top marginal bracket to the levels they were at during the longest period of sustained economic expansion in the history of the world. (63-94%, 1932-1981)
Nowadays, that makes me a wacko moonbat. Go figure. I guess Ike was a big 'ol commie.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:56:54pm |
re: #59 iceweasel
Here you go:
First we feel. Then we fall. And let her rain now if she likes. Anyway let her rain for my time is come. I done me best when I was let. Thinking always if I go all goes. A hundred cares, a tithe of troubles and is there one who understands me? One in a thousand of years of the nights? All me life I have been lived among them but now they are becoming lothed to me. And I am lothing their little warm tricks. And lothing their mean cosy turns. And all the greedy gushes out through their small souls. And all the lazy leaks down over their brash bodies. How small it's all! And me letting on to meself always. And lilting on all the time. I thought you were all glittering with the noblest of carriage. You're only a bumpkin. I thought you were the great in all things, in guilt and in glory. You're but a puny. Home! My people were not their sort out beyond there so far as I can. For all the bold and bad and bleary they are blamed, the seahags. No! Nor for all our wild dances in all their wild din. I can see meself among them, allaniuvia pulchrabelled. How was she handsome, the wild Amazia, when she would seize to my other breast! And what is she weird, haughty Niluna, that she will snatch from my ownest hair! For 'tis they are the stormies. Ho hang! Hang ho! And the clash of our cries till we spring to be free. Auravoles, the says, never heed of your name! But I'm loothing them that's here and all I lothe. Loonely in me loneness. For all their faults. I am passing out. O bitter ending! I'll slip away before they're up. They'll never see. Nor know. Nor miss me. And it's old and old it's sad and old it's sad and weary I go back to you, my cold father, my cold mad father, my cold mad feary father, till the near sight of the mere size of him, the moyles and moyles of it, moananoaning, makes me seasilt saltsick and I rush, my only, into your arms. I see them rising! Save me from those therrble prongs! Two more. Onetwo moremens more. So. Avelaval. My leaves have drifted from me. All. But one clings still. I'll bear it on me. To remind me of. Lff! So soft this morning, ours. Yes. Carry me along, taddy, like you done through the toy fair! If I seen him bearing down on me now under whitespread like he'd come from Arkangels, I sink I'd die down over his feet, humbly dumbly, only to washup. Yes, tid. There's where. First. We pass through grass behush the bush to. Whush! A gull. Gulls. Far calls. Coming, far! End here. Us then. Finn, again! Take. Bussoftlee, mememormee! Till thousendthee! Lps. The keys to. Given! A way a lone a last a loved a long the
Better than whisky.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:58:19pm |
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windsagio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:58:23pm |
re: #119 Fozzie Bear
You, nimed, and I seem to be the farthest of the far left on here. (and a few others that barely post anymore, like Cordell).
We've got people like SS and Ice by a mile :D
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:58:28pm |
re: #112 Fozzie Bear
I'm just adopting the parlance of the land.
Ah. Be advised that the same people who cry over the use of the word wingnut for theocrats throw around the word 'moonbat' to mean 'anyone who voted for Obama'.
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The Left Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:58:51pm |
re: #122 windsagio
You, nimed, and I seem to be the farthest of the far left on here. (and a few others that barely post anymore, like Cordell).
We've got people like SS and Ice by a mile :D
hey, i'm leftie! :(
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windsagio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:59:10pm |
re: #123 iceweasel
Or 'Prog', but then Dream Theater always comes up.
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windsagio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:59:57pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:00:05am |
re: #116 Gus 802
Right. I was just rambling on technicalities. Sure, I accept that Columbus "discovered" America. He "discovered" America for the Europeans. Not really Europe but Spain because Italy and Portugal told him to go fly a kite.
And many years later, Benjamin Franklin did just that on the very lands Columbus discovered. Coincidence? I think not. Wheels within wheels my friend, wheels within wheels.
/We're through the looking glass here, people!
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:00:57am |
re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth
Look, I'm not one to judge, and I ain't, but can we keep the freaky sex talk outta here?
/
haha no
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:01:35am |
re: #125 windsagio
Or 'Prog', but then Dream Theater always comes up.
Hey, just tell them that in the USA progressivism was made popular by a Republican.
True story. Sort of.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:02:07am |
re: #124 iceweasel
LINO. Wear your shame.
/
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:02:28am |
re: #125 windsagio
Or 'Prog', but then Dream Theater always comes up.
seeing them and iron maiden next month
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:02:43am |
re: #121 SpaceJesus
patently false
Look, SpaceJesus, you're up in heaven and all. How would you know fucksquat about the difference between intoxications?
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:02:49am |
re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth
And many years later, Benjamin Franklin did just that on the very lands Columbus discovered. Coincidence? I think not. Wheels within wheels my friend, wheels within wheels.
/We're through the looking glass here, people!
Exactly. That's what my pet cat, Sparkles, told me last night.
/
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:03:55am |
re: #132 Cato the Elder
Look, SpaceJesus, you're up in heaven and all. How would you know fucksquat about the difference between intoxications?
well, up here all there is is bourbon ill have you know
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:05:28am |
re: #128 SpaceJesus
haha no
Fine, then can you spice it up a bit? Maybe something a bit "Penthouse Forum" for the guys, and a bit "Fabio Book Cover" for the gals?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:05:33am |
And by the way, Ice, I transcribed that whole mofo just for you and Jimmah, straight out of the dead-tree book, no cuttin' and pastin', so even though you didn't have time to come to Baltimore and eat my crabs, you can never say I never did nothin' for you.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:06:26am |
re: #136 Cato the Elder
And by the way, Ice, I transcribed that whole mofo just for you and Jimmah, straight out of the dead-tree book, no cuttin' and pastin', so even though you didn't have time to come to Baltimore and eat my crabs, you can never say I never did nothin' for you.
Double negative!
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:07:12am |
re: #133 Gus 802
Sparkles is a reliable source. I'd trust Sparks before I'd trust that NWO plant senoJ xelA.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:07:31am |
I consider myself so advised.
Here's the thing about taxation that is often missed, or misunderstood.
(Drunk as a skunk here, so forgive any grammar errors please. That means you Cato >.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:08:51am |
damnit there is no way i'm typing that diatribe again. Apparently "
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:09:11am |
Ok there are filters at play here I don't understand.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:09:31am |
re: #138 Slumbering Behemoth
Sparkles is a reliable source. I'd trust Sparks before I'd trust that NWO plant senoJ xelA.
Ah yes. The high pitched pressure chamber of barrel chested knowledge. The excellent Dr. Senoj from planet Buttfuck.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:09:50am |
re: #136 Cato the Elder
And by the way, Ice, I transcribed that whole mofo just for you and Jimmah, straight out of the dead-tree book, no cuttin' and pastin', so even though you didn't have time to come to Baltimore and eat my crabs, you can never say I never did nothin' for you.
How could I ever say that?
i miss you. and the crabs.
/wait that doesn't sound right at all...
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:11:00am |
One must study the excellent works available from Xof Swen and the Wen Kroy Tsop.
/
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:11:51am |
re: #144 iceweasel
How could I ever say that?
i miss you. and the crabs.
/wait that doesn't sound right at all...
Probably not. Sometimes crabs reminds me of old movies and kerosene.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:12:05am |
re: #142 Fozzie Bear
I've lost entries for various reasons.
Usually for long entries, after composing several lines I select all my text and then drag it to the desktop, to save intermediate versions.
Filters take out forbidden HTML and everything after them.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:13:28am |
re: #146 Gus 802
Probably not. Sometimes crabs reminds me of old movies and kerosene.
Speaking of old movies, how great is that Billy Wilder quote?
Love billy wilder...
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:13:34am |
re: #137 Gus 802
Double negative!
Yeah, and I also failed to PIMF, so the JJ quote should read:
"...If I seen him bearing down on me now under whitespread wings..."
Me only scuse bein' I'm drunker than Jimmy J. on a spree with Sam in Paris.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:14:58am |
re: #148 iceweasel
Speaking of old movies, how great is that Billy Wilder quote?
Love billy wilder...
Yep. Like they say, we own our mistakes. More or less.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:16:42am |
re: #129 Gus 802
Hey, just tell them that in the USA progressivism was made popular by a Republican.
Yeah, but back then being a "progressive" meant ripping out a man's spine with your bare hands and using it to beat a mountain to death. Not any of this pussy-footin', pinky sippin', teacake eating "progressivism" we see today. Just sayin'.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:17:19am |
re: #150 Gus 802
Yep. Like they say, we own our mistakes. More or less.
Depends. Were you born in a chicken shack?// or a log cabin?
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:17:52am |
re: #145 Gus 802
One must study the excellent works available from Xof Swen and the Wen Kroy Tsop.
/
Sounds commie. /
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:18:49am |
re: #152 iceweasel
Depends. Were you born in a chicken shack?// or a log cabin?
Probably closer to a chicken shack. Argentinian Air Force Hospital. /
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:18:59am |
Ok giving it another shot. The short version this time.
If you raise the top marginal bracket from 35% (the present rate) to say 80% (A rough average of what it was for half a century in the mid 20th century) it would create a disincentive to exorbitant executive pay, because no company is going to deliberately pay huge sums in taxes by paying it's execs huge sums. So, it creates an incentive to invest more in R&D, pay rank-and-file employees more, pay greater dividends to shareholders, hire more people, etc. It flattens the income distribution while at the same time encouraging large corporations (the only businesses that can generally afford to pay millions to executives) to invest in ways that benefit more people.
It worked very well for half a century. And now it would basically be political suicide. People love to talk about the deficit. They don't like to discuss the income half of the deficit problem, and how radically that changed right around the time the debt/deficit began to skyrocket.
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windsagio Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:19:13am |
Ice I"m composing info for you, sorry its slow :D
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:20:16am |
re: #154 Gus 802
Progs! /
heh.
I'm cool with being called a 'Prog' by the Trogs.
/troglodytes.
You'd think they'd be clever enough to come up with a funny name, or use 'prog' accurately at least-- but that's why they're trogs. Too fucking dumb not to use a stalker term.
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ClaudeMonet Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:20:19am |
re: #134 SpaceJesus
well, up here all there is is bourbon ill have you know
Ah, bourbon. Nectar of the gods. This past evening, after a rehearsal of an excerpt of "Cat On a Hot Tin Roof" for the regional theater convention, most of us adjourned to a favorite watering hole and consumed quantities of Echo Spring, the drink of choice in the play. Not the really great stuff, but still more than acceptable. :) I think I deserve a bourbon bender weekend some time soon, haven't done that in several years.re: #43 BigPapa
Anybody find it ironic that a statue of Jesus was destroyed by an 'act of God?'
Mebbe a little bit?
[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]
That's in Monroe, Ohio, about 21 miles north of me. "Touchdown Jesus", called "Muffed Punt Jesus" by me for how his arms are spread, or "That big Butt-Ugly Thing By I-75" by many, was hit by lightning a week ago Monday night and burned down. We're talking a 62-foot-high fiberglass Jesus here. Just burned. I always thought it was concrete!
Irony #1--The butt-ugly thing is located about a mile from a Hustler Hollywood store, which was completely unharmed by the storm. We figure God is near-sighted and missed while aiming either at that or at John Boehner's place, which is less than 10 miles away. Or maybe Jesus Himself looked down and said, "That's the ugliest representation of Me I've seen in 2000 years. To heck with it, I don't usually intervene in such matters, but Dad said it's OK when it's this fugly."
Irony #2--The only thing left of it was a metal framework, which to me looked like Terminator II trying to escape the molten metal pit. Then I saw the flashing sign by Solid Rock Church--"He'll Be Back!!" I kept laughing all the way home, doing Ahnold (or my Bavarian grandmother?) doing that line. Is the thing Jesus or the Terminator??
Damages were estimated at $700,000, money that IMO would be much better spent on charity work, such as in the nearby struggling towns or at the state medium-security prison (Lebanon Correctional Institution) less than 2 miles away. But no, they plan to rebuild this montrosity!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:20:27am |
re: #131 SpaceJesus
seeing them and iron maiden next month
You're a good person, DT is a blast live :D I saw them for the Images And Words tour with Galactic Cowboys, and the Awake tour with Fates Warning. HOW ABOUT SOME SHREDDING YES PLZ
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:20:40am |
re: #158 iceweasel
heh.
I'm cool with being called a 'Prog' by the Trogs.
/troglodytes.You'd think they'd be clever enough to come up with a funny name, or use 'prog' accurately at least-- but that's why they're trogs. Too fucking dumb not to use a stalker term.
PROGLODYTE! :D
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:22:21am |
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:22:24am |
re: #158 iceweasel
heh.
I'm cool with being called a 'Prog' by the Trogs.
/troglodytes.You'd think they'd be clever enough to come up with a funny name, or use 'prog' accurately at least-- but that's why they're trogs. Too fucking dumb not to use a stalker term.
On serious note I noticed it comes out of the blue. You know, we'll be riffing on something Charles posts like on Glenn Beck and we'll be saying wingnuts not about anyone here and then one person will get pissed off and say something like, "oh the Prog fest is going again." Wah, wah, wah.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:23:46am |
re: #156 Fozzie Bear
Wouldn't companies just "pay" their execs large stock options? It wouldn't count as income until they were executed, and the owner of the stock usually has the control over when to execute.
That is one difference from the old way of doing business versus today.
Our tax laws have changed so much since the time of FDR. And, with globalization why wouldn't companies just incorporate off-shore, and thus pay their execs in, say, Bermuda or Cayman?
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tnguitarist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:24:13am |
re: #160 WindUpBird
You're a good person, DT is a blast live :D I saw them for the Images And Words tour with Galactic Cowboys, and the Awake tour with Fates Warning. HOW ABOUT SOME SHREDDING YES PLZ
Fates Warning? Holy crap, that takes me back.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:26:51am |
Timeframe - bottom bracket - top bracket
1913-1915 1% 7%
1916 2% 15%
1917 2% 67%
1918 6% 77%
1919-1920 4% 73%
1921 4% 73%
1922 4% 56%
1923 3% 56%
1924 1.5% 46%
1925-1928 1.5% 25%
1929 0.375% 24%
1930-1931 1.125% 25%
1932-1933 4% 63%
1934-1935 4% 63%
1936-1939 4% 79%
1940 4.4% 81.1%
1941 10% 81%
1942-1943 19% 88%
1944-1945 23% 94%
1946-1947 19% 86.45%
1948-1949 16.6% 82.13%
1950 17.4% 84.36%
1951 20.4% 91%
1952-1953 22.2% 92%
1954-1963 20% 91%
1964 16% 77%
1965-1967 14% 70%
1968 14% 75.25%
1969 14% 77%
1970 14% 71.75%
1971-1981 14% 70%
1982-1986 12% 50%
1987 11% 38.5%
1988-1990 15% 28%
1991-1992 15% 31%
1993-2000 15% 39.6%
2001 15% 39.1%
2002 10% 38.6%
2003-2009 10% 35%
I bolded time periods when the top marginal bracket was above 60%. These were not economically rough times, relatively speaking.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:27:45am |
re: #152 iceweasel
Depends. Were you born in a chicken shack?// or a log cabin?
I was born in a shotgun shack. I've loved guns ever since.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:29:51am |
re: #166 Fozzie Bear
These were not economically rough times, relatively speaking.
Some of them were, but I get your point. There were times when the top income tax bracket was high yet the US enjoyed strong economics.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:29:54am |
re: #164 freetoken
Wouldn't companies just "pay" their execs large stock options? It wouldn't count as income until they were executed, and the owner of the stock usually has the control over when to execute.
That is one difference from the old way of doing business versus today.
Our tax laws have changed so much since the time of FDR. And, with globalization why wouldn't companies just incorporate off-shore, and thus pay their execs in, say, Bermuda or Cayman?
Good points, all. My drunken thesis indeed has some issues.
I do think it possible that these issues could be addressed with legislation. Ideas? Brainstorm with me.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:30:53am |
re: #166 Fozzie Bear
I bolded time periods when the top marginal bracket was above 60%. These were not economically rough times, relatively speaking.
You want my honest opinion? The worst times were during the Great Depression. Otherwise, all of the other years were rough economically. I think our economic history is based largely on myth and lore. Some of the roughest times were right before 1972.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:31:07am |
For instance, stock options could be taxed as pay at the value they held at the time of issuance.
As for the globalization issue, that one is stickier.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:32:06am |
re: #160 WindUpBird
You're a good person, DT is a blast live :D I saw them for the Images And Words tour with Galactic Cowboys, and the Awake tour with Fates Warning. HOW ABOUT SOME SHREDDING YES PLZ
not to mention how bad ass a drummer mike portnoy is
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:32:54am |
re: #171 Fozzie Bear
For instance, stock options could be taxed as pay at the value they held at the time of issuance.
As for the globalization issue, that one is stickier.
Yeah, but essentially what happens is you take the money from one monopoly, the corporations, and hand to another monopoly, the government. The latter of which does not mean it would be spent wisely nor free from corruption. It would still feed the military-industrial complex and the war faction needs.
Woot!
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:33:39am |
re: #159 ClaudeMonet
may i recommend my favorite bourbon to you? bulleit bourbon. if not that, then go with 10 high.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:33:49am |
The answer lie in a Galactic Federation where money is longer utilized!
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:33:59am |
re: #152 iceweasel
Depends. Were you born in a chicken shack?// or a log cabin?
Wait a sec... Do you suspect that Gus is in fact Buckethead?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:34:04am |
re: #123 iceweasel
Ah. Be advised that the same people who cry over the use of the word wingnut for theocrats throw around the word 'moonbat' to mean 'anyone who voted for Obama'.
Na, na, it's 'prog' these days.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:34:41am |
re: #175 Gus 802
The answer lie in a Galactic Federation where money is longer utilized!
/
I think you've had too much to drink.
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ClaudeMonet Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:35:18am |
re: #156 Fozzie Bear
Ok giving it another shot. The short version this time.
If you raise the top marginal bracket from 35% (the present rate) to say 80% (A rough average of what it was for half a century in the mid 20th century) it would create a disincentive to exorbitant executive pay, because no company is going to deliberately pay huge sums in taxes by paying it's execs huge sums. So, it creates an incentive to invest more in R&D, pay rank-and-file employees more, pay greater dividends to shareholders, hire more people, etc. It flattens the income distribution while at the same time encouraging large corporations (the only businesses that can generally afford to pay millions to executives) to invest in ways that benefit more people.
It worked very well for half a century. And now it would basically be political suicide. People love to talk about the deficit. They don't like to discuss the income half of the deficit problem, and how radically that changed right around the time the debt/deficit began to skyrocket.
Actually, many corporations would then pay their top brass MORE, because after all, they have a certain lifestyle to maintain, which requires a certain amount of cash, and if the tax man is getting 80% compared to 35%, they need over twice as much to get the same net result. You have to look at it from THEIR point of view rather than a reasonable one, since their POV is all that matters in their universe.
I loved it (not) back in the mid-80s when my then-employer used taxes as a reason to cut my previously promised 8% raise to 2% and to limit the raise I was allowed to give any of my people over 4%, during a time of about 10% inflation.
Corporate Cliche Man: If we give them more, they'll just pay more in taxes.
Me (middle manager): My people are willing to take that chance.
I got written up for that, for "disrespecting a superior". I replied that he may have been senior to me, but he wasn't my superior. Yes, I left the corporation shortly after that, one of the few smart decisions in my life.
BTW, the top guys were awarding themselves annual raises over 15% at the time, while those farther down the food chain were getting virtually nothing.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:35:25am |
re: #178 Cato the Elder
I think you've had too much to drink.
I'm still staring at my shot of whiskey.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:37:44am |
re: #176 Slumbering Behemoth
Wait a sec... Do you suspect that Gus is in fact Buckethead?
Enter the Chicken!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:38:09am |
re: #179 ClaudeMonet
Corporate Cliche Man: If we give them more, they'll just pay more in taxes.
Me (middle manager): My people are willing to take that chance.
For all of these dark warnings about how much taxes cost, people persist in trying to make more money. I don't know what to make of it.
/
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ClaudeMonet Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:39:40am |
re: #180 Gus 802
I'm still staring at my shot of whiskey.
I do that, too. Then I realize that it would be unfair to pour "contaminated" whiskey back into the bottle, despicable to throw it out, and wasteful to let it evaporate. So it's bottoms up and down the hatch!
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:40:31am |
re: #183 ClaudeMonet
I do that, too. Then I realize that it would be unfair to pour "contaminated" whiskey back into the bottle, despicable to throw it out, and wasteful to let it evaporate. So it's bottoms up and down the hatch!
OK, done. 2 cl down the hatch.
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AK-47% Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:40:35am |
re: #171 Fozzie Bear
For instance, stock options could be taxed as pay at the value they held at the time of issuance.
As for the globalization issue, that one is stickier.
That is the sticking point. In the days of national economies, those with larger incomes had an incentive to invest in America and create jobs and prosperity at home.
now they take their income and invest it wherever it will bring the biggest margin of return, which is often abroad, where labor costs are lower and environmental and safety regulations are not as strict as they are here.
I can understand letting other countries compete on labor costs, that is fair competition. But to let them compete based on lax safety and environmental standards is doing a disservice to everyone involved, both at home and abroad.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:41:19am |
re: #169 Fozzie Bear
Brainstorm with me.
Over the decades there have been many ideas floated, on tax policy.
The problem I see is that we don't lack for brains, but for vision.
Since such a large fragment of the population of this country are stuck on, really stuck on, the idea that they have a good chance of being "rich" they see any tax on the rich as a tax on their future idyllic life.
Reality is most individuals don't become part of the beautiful people crowd.
With the American belief in rugged individualism an excuse to deny the concept social responsibility, fighting for greater social cost sharing has been fraught with futility.
So, sorry, I can't come up with any purely tax policy idea. I think we need to work on the fundamental challenge of what it means to be a "society".
To do will require, at least, convincing more people that they have their identity as being part of something, rather than having their identity wrapped up in personal differentiation from their fellow humans (e.g., better house than family A, bigger car than family B, and so forth.)
This is a moral issue. Perhaps even a religious one?
America: land of religion, land of the ultimate ego.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:41:26am |
re: #170 Gus 802
You want my honest opinion? The worst times were during the Great Depression. Otherwise, all of the other years were rough economically. I think our economic history is based largely on myth and lore. Some of the roughest times were right before 1972.
Stagflation is a bitch. I don't pretend to have a solution to that.
My larger point is that it is manifestly true that you can tax income at the top levels at very high rates without collapsing the economy. This meme is patently false. (That taxation at the top brackets needs to be low)
re: #173 Gus 802
Yeah, but essentially what happens is you take the money from one monopoly, the corporations, and hand to another monopoly, the government. The latter of which does not mean it would be spent wisely nor free from corruption. It would still feed the military-industrial complex and the war faction needs.
Woot!
Indeed. It would also do much to pay down the deficit/debt, which is something many on the right portray as the biggest issue we face as a nation. They may be right.
re: #179 ClaudeMonet
Actually, many corporations would then pay their top brass MORE, because after all, they have a certain lifestyle to maintain, which requires a certain amount of cash, and if the tax man is getting 80% compared to 35%, they need over twice as much to get the same net result. You have to look at it from THEIR point of view rather than a reasonable one, since their POV is all that matters in their universe.
I loved it (not) back in the mid-80s when my then-employer used taxes as a reason to cut my previously promised 8% raise to 2% and to limit the raise I was allowed to give any of my people over 4%, during a time of about 10% inflation.
Corporate Cliche Man: If we give them more, they'll just pay more in taxes.
Me (middle manager): My people are willing to take that chance.I got written up for that, for "disrespecting a superior". I replied that he may have been senior to me, but he wasn't my superior. Yes, I left the corporation shortly after that, one of the few smart decisions in my life.
BTW, the top guys were awarding themselves annual raises over 15% at the time, while those farther down the food chain were getting virtually nothing.
Well, the secret sauce to such a plan is scaling. Perhaps at 80% they still would. But, if the top bracket were say, 94% (the highest ever top tax bracket in the US) for income over, say, 5 million, would they really still pay that much?
I have extremely little sympathy for the claims of needing to maintain a certain lifestyle. Income distribution has never been more uneven than it is now.
Basically, I am fishing for ideas that would encourage corporations spending more on R&D, non-executive pay, stock dividends, etc., and less on executive compensation, which has for some (not all) gotten totally absurd.
Then again, I'm plastered, and reading way too much old statistical information. This may all seem nuts to me in the morning.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:41:42am |
re: #165 tnguitarist
Fates Warning? Holy crap, that takes me back.
I love that band! Still love that band :D Mark Zonder is a huge influence on my drumming, it was sort of my awakening as a 15 year old that there was more to metal than just hitting hard and playing 4/4 :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:42:14am |
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ClaudeMonet Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:42:42am |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
For all of these dark warnings about how much taxes cost, people persist in trying to make more money. I don't know what to make of it.
/
As a tax man, I've noticed that no matter how high or low the bottom, in-between, and highest brackets are, my richer clients will complain. Yet, for all their complaining, not one has ever taken me up on my offer to trade financial places!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:43:42am |
re: #172 SpaceJesus
not to mention how bad ass a drummer mike portnoy is
He's pretty great! Just clinical double kick technique. Precise and yet still groovy when he wants to be.
have you heard the OSI records? Portnoy plays on the first two.
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AK-47% Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:44:30am |
re: #187 Fozzie Bear
Basically, I am fishing for ideas that would encourage corporations spending more on R&D, non-executive pay, stock dividends, etc., and less on executive compensation, which has for some (not all) gotten totally absurd.
I see that as a necessary quid pro quo to insure that any tax cuts go to benefit the whole of our economy and not just those in the upper income brackets.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:44:36am |
re: #186 freetoken
Over the decades there have been many ideas floated, on tax policy.
The problem I see is that we don't lack for brains, but for vision.
Since such a large fragment of the population of this country are stuck on, really stuck on, the idea that they have a good chance of being "rich" they see any tax on the rich as a tax on their future idyllic life.
Reality is most individuals don't become part of the beautiful people crowd.
With the American belief in rugged individualism an excuse to deny the concept social responsibility, fighting for greater social cost sharing has been fraught with futility.
So, sorry, I can't come up with any purely tax policy idea. I think we need to work on the fundamental challenge of what it means to be a "society".
To do will require, at least, convincing more people that they have their identity as being part of something, rather than having their identity wrapped up in personal differentiation from their fellow humans (e.g., better house than family A, bigger car than family B, and so forth.)
This is a moral issue. Perhaps even a religious one?
America: land of religion, land of the ultimate ego.
I agree with you there. This issue is as much spiritual and cultural as it is economic. I don't think you can really disentangle the two.
The path we are on now, however, is insane. It simply has to change, or there will be much bigger problems than nutty teabaggers and unhinged libertarians.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:44:52am |
re: #161 WindUpBird
PROGLODYTE! :D
heh. Yeah, I even suggested that term to the trogs here. Anything to be helpful!
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tnguitarist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:45:02am |
re: #188 WindUpBird
I love that band! Still love that band :D Mark Zonder is a huge influence on my drumming, it was sort of my awakening as a 15 year old that there was more to metal than just hitting hard and playing 4/4 :D
Drums were actually my first instrument. Probably why I'm a TOOL fan.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:47:14am |
re: #185 ralphieboy
That is the sticking point. In the days of national economies, those with larger incomes had an incentive to invest in America and create jobs and prosperity at home.
now they take their income and invest it wherever it will bring the biggest margin of return, which is often abroad, where labor costs are lower and environmental and safety regulations are not as strict as they are here.
I can understand letting other countries compete on labor costs, that is fair competition. But to let them compete based on lax safety and environmental standards is doing a disservice to everyone involved, both at home and abroad.
The playing field needs to be leveled globally. Any idea I can come up with to address it is "protectionist", however, and I don't know a way around that save treaties and trade agreements. That assumes partners who negotiate in good faith, and we simply cannot hope for that with China. (Our biggest trading partner)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:47:18am |
re: #195 tnguitarist
Drums were actually my first instrument. Probably why I'm a TOOL fan.
yes! Danny Carey!
I'm a gigantic Brann Dailor fan as well, to nobody's surprise. And Daniel Liljekvist from katatonia, man that guy can play. Real tight, sorta has a Zonder sound going as well, angular syncopated weirdness that somehow always seems to lock in perfectly for the song.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:47:22am |
re: #176 Slumbering Behemoth
Wait a sec... Do you suspect that Gus is in fact Buckethead?
heh. reference to the asshole GOP guy who is mocking a Dem opponent for being born in poverty.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:48:39am |
re: #195 tnguitarist
Drums were actually my first instrument. Probably why I'm a TOOL fan.
And drums are my only instrument, unless you count my "vocals" which consist of me yelling in key like Wayne Static :D
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:49:35am |
re: #186 freetoken
Reality is most individuals don't become part of the beautiful people crowd.
True, but it's all really relative to the size of any given steeple. Some folks can not see the forest for the trees, while others can not smell their own...
/My "Serious Chip" is fried...
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:49:44am |
re: #198 iceweasel
heh. reference to the asshole GOP guy who is mocking a Dem opponent for being born in poverty.
That sort of highlights my point. Class warfare in the current environment is inevitable.
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windsagio Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:49:46am |
I really can't get enough of his humor, I know people don't like him so don't hurt me too bad :D
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:49:49am |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
For all of these dark warnings about how much taxes cost, people persist in trying to make more money. I don't know what to make of it.
/
What happened to all those TeAPaRtY types who were were assured were super-high earners and were 'going galt'?
Oh yeah. That was another lie.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:50:24am |
re: #203 iceweasel
What happened to all those TeAPaRtY types who were were assured were super-high earners and were 'going galt'?
Oh yeah. That was another lie.
Well, if they went Galt, they'd have to give up their Holda Goldwings
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:50:39am |
re: #193 Fozzie Bear
The path we are on now, however, is insane. It simply has to change, or there will be much bigger problems than nutty teabaggers and unhinged libertarians.
Oh, we will change. Yes, the fundamentalist libertarians will play the ego card to the hilt. Yet they are too fighting a losing battle. Hard line libertarianism was born out of American prosperity, and with the demise of that prosperity will go all the chaff, of which I consider the fundamental libertarians to be part.
The SoCons, though, will remain. As will the ultra-nationalists, who today might be rowing in the same navy as the libertarians but whose fundamental world view is quite different. When the SoCons cross breed with the ultra-nationals we will get the religious nationalists, those who will remind us night and day that God has a special plan for the US and we are the last bastion of something or other.
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tnguitarist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:50:43am |
re: #198 iceweasel
heh. reference to the asshole GOP guy who is mocking a Dem opponent for being born in poverty.
Wait....the Republican is worried about urban values while mocking the Democrat for his humble, country upbringing. My head hurts.
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windsagio Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:50:51am |
re: #203 iceweasel
But they might make money some day! Gotta keep your options open!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:51:08am |
Two words from Finnegans Wake, containing millions of pages of theology, astrology, ethics, philosophy, anthropology, archeology, gastronomy, viticulture, mystagogy, bibliolatry, criminololgy, cryptography, astronomy, geology, biology, phrenology, nephrology, history, herstory, sexology, and mythology:
Till thousendthee!
Discuss.
Hint: One can derive the entire plot of "Lost" from those words.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:51:29am |
re: #198 iceweasel
heh. reference to the asshole GOP guy who is mocking a Dem opponent for being born in poverty.
Hmm. That seems counterintuitive, politically speaking.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:52:53am |
re: #206 freetoken
Republicans manipulate their working class base for the benefit of the bourgeois -- a benefit that they attain through their legislation.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:53:09am |
re: #207 Gus 802
We live in a caste system.
Funny you should say that, as I was contemplating writing a Pages entry on what the US will look like in a century, given all we know about what we are doing, and that my vision of the future US is more similar to an Indian caste society, but will smoother (and somewhat) less drastic differences among the castes at the bottom.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:54:36am |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmm. That seems counterintuitive, politically speaking.
Everything about the politics of the day seems so to me.
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AK-47% Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:55:02am |
re: #196 Fozzie Bear
The playing field needs to be leveled globally. Any idea I can come up with to address it is "protectionist", however, and I don't know a way around that save treaties and trade agreements. That assumes partners who negotiate in good faith, and we simply cannot hope for that with China. (Our biggest trading partner)
There is a form of "protectionism" I support: if a nations industrial safety and economic standards are not up to those of the USA, they should have to pay a tariff that represents the difference in production costs.
That would give them the incentive to clean up their act so they could escape the tariffs.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:57:50am |
re: #203 iceweasel
What happened to all those TeAPaRtY types who were were assured were super-high earners and were 'going galt'?
Oh yeah. That was another lie.
Wishful thinking, really. I wish they would go Galt, or go somewhere, because then my husband could have one of their jobs.
I do recall folks here assuring me that Obama was going to raise taxes so high that it would be cheaper not to work.
Somehow, I haven't been able to get the numbers to bear out on that, and I have been trying, because I really wouldn't mind having more time to write. But it continues to be more profitable to have a job. I'm doing something wrong.
Also, none of my doctors have retired even a little early, rather than surrender to 'Obamacare'.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:58:14am |
re: #210 Cato the Elder
Till thousendthee
I'm stumped.
Until you send you?
Until you (plural) end (destroy?) you? (a reference to death?)
A number?
(Perhaps if I had seen lost, this might mean more)
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:59:05am |
re: #215 ralphieboy
There is a form of "protectionism" I support: if a nations industrial safety and economic standards are not up to those of the USA, they should have to pay a tariff that represents the difference in production costs.
That would give them the incentive to clean up their act so they could escape the tariffs.
I have said this before, and definitely agree. There needs to be a cost to cutting corners that meets or exceeds the gain in doing so.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:59:43am |
re: #213 freetoken
Funny you should say that, as I was contemplating writing a Pages entry on what the US will look like in a century, given all we know about what we are doing, and that my vision of the future US is more similar to an Indian caste society, but will smoother (and somewhat) less drastic differences among the castes at the bottom.
Which currently exists. The top 1 percent haven't felt any affect from this recession. Everything that has been done thus far is to maintain the standard of living or the status quo for the true elites: the holders of most of the money. TARP wasn't done for the working class or the people. It was done for that 1 percent. The DJI doesn't even respond for its shareholders let alone the working class. It's done for the top 1 percent.
The majority of congress is replete with millionaires on both sides of the aisle. Political parties rarely have the ear of the working class or the poor and instead have the ear of the billionaires and millionaires of this country. The same people that help get them elected and maintain a salary of close to 250,000 year. Many congresspeople enter congress modestly wealthy and leave as millionaires.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:59:52am |
re: #195 tnguitarist
Drums were actually my first instrument. Probably why I'm a TOOL fan.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:00:44am |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmm. That seems counterintuitive, politically speaking.
Someone needs to do a page on it. I will if no one else wants to (and if it hasnt already been done).
I said to Gus earlier-- Gosh, I guess they'd hate Lincoln now too.
(that's pretty much a given, what with that pesky 13th Amendment and all.)
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:02:12am |
re: #222 iceweasel
Someone needs to do a page on it. I will if no one else wants to (and if it hasnt already been done).
I said to Gus earlier-- Gosh, I guess they'd hate Lincoln now too.(that's pretty much a given, what with that pesky 13th Amendment and all.)
Many of them already do. Remember, Lincoln "the tyrant." Especially the neo-Confederates.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:03:07am |
re: #209 windsagio
But they might make money some day! Gotta keep your stock options open!
Slightly amended. /
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tnguitarist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:03:53am |
re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth
The rest of the band is underrated. Adam Jones isn't a blazing soloist, but he is a great player with the best damn guitar tone is the biz.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:06:52am |
re: #223 Gus 802
Many of them already do. Remember, Lincoln "the tyrant." Especially the neo-Confederates.
Yeah. They're all over the tenth and 14th amendments of late, when they arent trying to nullify the constitution.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:06:58am |
re: #209 windsagio
But they might make money some day! Gotta keep your options open!
Ha. That's good. The great American dream. The one where they tell you "anyone can be successful." Where we go from working paycheck to paycheck and then overnight we become billionaires through "the amazing power of thought" or by purchasing homes "with no money down." It's a reflection of the same disparity we experience. Going from the have nots to the haves with nothing in between.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:07:27am |
We do indeed have little to fear but fear itself.
In the current context, the atavistic fear of the manipulated and undereducated poor, voting against their own interests, and taking the rest of us down with them.
I would be angry about it, but really, there's no point. It gains me nothing, and changes nothing.
My wife wants a child. I do too.
I also don't want to raise a child in a world gone mad.
Maybe these guys have it right. Focus on some neat music, and go it one day, week, year at a time. You can't change the world. Maybe that's the best gift I can give to the next generation.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:07:29am |
re: #217 Fozzie Bear
I'm stumped.
Until you send you?
Until you (plural) end (destroy?) you? (a reference to death?)
A number?
(Perhaps if I had seen lost, this might mean more)
Good.
Keep going.
Thousend = thousand.
Till = plow, seed, make, do, as well as until.
Send = put, place, message, mission, mind, watch, keep, wind, fate.
Thee = ?
Who of thousands sends what to whom? What are we waiting for? Us to send us? Someone to send something?
The Big Question.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:08:04am |
re: #225 tnguitarist
Seen them live several times, and they never disappoint. Tight ass live band. I find their disdain for the "encore" hilarious.
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tnguitarist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:10:26am |
re: #230 Slumbering Behemoth
Seen them live several times, and they never disappoint. Tight ass live band. I find their disdain for the "encore" hilarious.
One of the best live bands I've ever seen. AIC was awesome back before Layne became a complete slave to heroin.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:10:30am |
re: #226 iceweasel
Yeah. They're all over the tenth and 14th amendments of late, when they arent trying to nullify the constitution.
What a bunch of idiots. What in the world does the 10th and 14th Amendments have to do with what most people experience today. For health care reform? Tell you what. There's a problem with this legislation and there are many. The biggest problem was and is that it didn't have a public option or it didn't create an insurance pool like a national co-op. Instead, in the coming years I have to find a way to make another 5000 dollars a year to feed an insurance corporation.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:12:23am |
re: #219 Gus 802
If we currently have a "caste" system then it is a very, very loose one. I say that because there is quite a bit of movement between groups, via intermarriage, work, etc.
Because of the vast number of land-holders in this nation from the beginning we've not really experienced the peasant class. Yes, laborers have been exploited and often suffer injustices, but this numerically became large in the transition from agriculture to industry at the beginning of the 20th century. This is not to diminish the plight of the sharecroppers etc. that litter American history, but the westward movement of people in 19th century kept opening new opportunities for those strong enough to escape their previous confinement.
What we may experience in this century is the opposite, with decreasing land ownership rates and ever larger cities we will see the emergence of a broad servant class (the first since abolition) with no vision or hope of a better life.
I lament the lack of vision on the part of so many of my fellow Americans who just won't face the reality that we must collectively decide to build a better society or it will done for us. In a sense this is the old paradigm of having to go forward or backward given the lack of the option to stay as-we-are.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:13:42am |
re: #229 Cato the Elder
Good.
Keep going.
Thousend = thousand.
Till = plow, seed, make, do, as well as until.
Send = put, place, message, mission, mind, watch, keep, wind, fate.
Thee = ?
Who of thousands sends what to whom? What are we waiting for? Us to send us? Someone to send something?
The Big Question.
This is best conquered sober.
Thee, I would assume to be the object of the "sentence", i.e., the listener. I hadn't thought of "till" as anything other than "until" until you mentioned it. That adds a layer of meaning.
Till (plow, cultivate) you (subject or direct object?) send (as defined multiply above) thee (the direct object).
That's certainly a fertile construct there. I imagine asking for context would be tantamount to asking you to type out the novel?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:14:53am |
re: #225 tnguitarist
The rest of the band is underrated. Adam Jones isn't a blazing soloist, but he is a great player with the best damn guitar tone is the biz.
His tone is soooo goood
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windsagio Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:15:14am |
anyways, its been a good night but I'm gonna go sleep and make it better, gotta get up early :D
Y'all have a magical evening!
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:15:21am |
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:16:23am |
re: #234 freetoken
If we currently have a "caste" system then it is a very, very loose one. I say that because there is quite a bit of movement between groups, via intermarriage, work, etc.
Because of the vast number of land-holders in this nation from the beginning we've not really experienced the peasant class. Yes, laborers have been exploited and often suffer injustices, but this numerically became large in the transition from agriculture to industry at the beginning of the 20th century. This is not to diminish the plight of the sharecroppers etc. that litter American history, but the westward movement of people in 19th century kept opening new opportunities for those strong enough to escape their previous confinement.
What we may experience in this century is the opposite, with decreasing land ownership rates and ever larger cities we will see the emergence of a broad servant class (the first since abolition) with no vision or hope of a better life.
I lament the lack of vision on the part of so many of my fellow Americans who just won't face the reality that we must collectively decide to build a better society or it will done for us. In a sense this is the old paradigm of having to go forward or backward given the lack of the option to stay as-we-are.
I meant an economic castes system. We also have a social class caste system.
I think we should try to collectively build a better society not only for the present but for the future. That's a little difficult when you live in a society that places the needs of an individual (usually rich and famous) above those of the masses or society as a whole.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:16:36am |
re: #234 freetoken
I lament the lack of vision on the part of so many of my fellow Americans who just won't face the reality that we must collectively decide to build a better society or it will done for us. In a sense this is the old paradigm of having to go forward or backward given the lack of the option to stay as-we-are.
Wrong-o.
Nothing will ever be "done for us", and we monkeys are done for.
Find your niche, your happiness, enjoy it while you can.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:18:30am |
re: #232 Gus 802
What a bunch of idiots. What in the world does the 10th and 14th Amendments have to do with what most people experience today. For health care reform? Tell you what. There's a problem with this legislation and there are many. The biggest problem was and is that it didn't have a public option or it didn't create an insurance pool like a national co-op. Instead, in the coming years I have to find a way to make another 5000 dollars a year to feed an insurance corporation.
Yeah, this is the part that strikes me as crazy. There's no fucking way many many Americans will be able to afford this.
The public option was a great idea. This bill was a bend-over-and-take-it move. I can't imagine it working well without serious modification, and I can't imagine serious modification (in a positive direction) with the current (or any plausible future) congress.
Perhaps it is just true that the legislative system has finally broken, and is unable to meet the needs to the populace due to campaign finance being as it is. (A legalized system of bribes)
I keep hoping for some kind of wake-the-fuck-up-America moment. I had hoped Obama was it, but clearly not. And yet, given the state of the GOP, i'll vote for him again in a heartbeat out of raw pant-shitting fear of what the GOP would do in its current incarnation.
We are so screwed.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:20:38am |
re: #241 Fozzie Bear
It would only be modified to benefit guess who? That's right, you guessed it. The doctors that rely on Medicaid payment to maintain their membership at the local country club. I.e. the elite. Nothing is ever done to benefit the little guy.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:20:52am |
re: #240 Cato the Elder
I meant to imply that decisions will be made for us if we don't make our own. Ask Argentina, or any third world country that comes under the pressure of the IMF or Worldbank.
Even now we are strongly influenced in our decisions by our creditors. That will increase as long as we keep on our current course of not making hard decisions ourselves.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:25:29am |
re: #243 freetoken
I meant to imply that decisions will be made for us if we don't make our own. Ask Argentina, or any third world country that comes under the pressure of the IMF or Worldbank.
Even now we are strongly influenced in our decisions by our creditors. That will increase as long as we keep on our current course of not making hard decisions ourselves.
True in that it then become a matter not for the public good where "it will be done for us" to that end. It will be forced upon us, as is typical, to maintain the status quo for that 1 percent.
In the case of Argentina most of the money they borrowed from the Worldbank was squandered by the minority ruling class there. When they defaulted or renegotiated it was to the detriment of guess who? The working poor.
The IMF and the Worldbank is largely another ponzi scheme that benefits those that hobnob at world class cocktail parties.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:25:51am |
re: #243 freetoken
I meant to imply that decisions will be made for us if we don't make our own. Ask Argentina, or any third world country that comes under the pressure of the IMF or Worldbank.
Even now we are strongly influenced in our decisions by our creditors. That will increase as long as we keep on our current course of not making hard decisions ourselves.
When have you ever seen a group of people making "hard decisions" for themselves?
The Chinese own us.
The third world wants what we have. Pitiful fools don't know we have nothin'.
The Muslim world wants revenge.
We are currently blowing the stuff that makes us run into the biggest fishery we own.
We're fucked.
Get used to it.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:26:10am |
Well, capitalism does have a fatal flaw. And it's not what Marx envisioned.
Increases in the productive capacity of the individual worker via technological advancement mean that an ever smaller proportion of the population is needed to produce goods to provide for the whole (in basic material need), while capital is required by everyone to afford the products of that productive capacity.
So, we try to increase consumption, and increase the proportion of the economy that performs services. This can't continue forever.
Neither Marx nor smith envisioned a world in which so little labor is needed to produce so much. And neither accounted for the results of this level of technological advancement. It is not sustainable economically, nor is it sustainable environmentally. (In terms of the increased consumption "solution" to he production capacity problem)
We have to find a way to make less with more, even while we make more with less. It's a quandary.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:26:28am |
re: #241 Fozzie Bear
The public option was a great idea.
I wish the President had taken a different course on the healthcare bill. Perhaps what resulted might work, but I see anything as complex as what was passed as something that can be mucked up easily.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:27:27am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:27:56am |
re: #233 tnguitarist
Gotta crash.
[Video]
On that note, I depart as well. Just. One. Last. Blasphemy.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:30:44am |
re: #247 Fozzie Bear
Well, capitalism does have a fatal flaw. And it's not what Marx envisioned.
Increases in the productive capacity of the individual worker via technological advancement mean that an ever smaller proportion of the population is needed to produce goods to provide for the whole (in basic material need), while capital is required by everyone to afford the products of that productive capacity.
So, we try to increase consumption, and increase the proportion of the economy that performs services. This can't continue forever.
Neither Marx nor smith envisioned a world in which so little labor is needed to produce so much. And neither accounted for the results of this level of technological advancement. It is not sustainable economically, nor is it sustainable environmentally. (In terms of the increased consumption "solution" to he production capacity problem)
We have to find a way to make less with more, even while we make more with less. It's a quandary.
Psst. Don't tell anyone I told you this but Dr. John Holdren was right. Perhaps not in how to attain goals of population control but he and his peers were right.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:30:58am |
re: #247 Fozzie Bear
Neither Marx nor smith envisioned a world in which so little labor is needed to produce so much.
Well said. Adam Smith's roots are clearly in the age of agriculture, and Marx's in (the end of) the age of British colonialism.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:31:41am |
re: #246 Cato the Elder
Individually, we are born fucked, so it doesn't really matter. Such is the blip of mortal beings.
Collectively, we simply have to find a way to transcend this, or we face a future of ever increasing misery. Perpetual war? Famine? Poverty?
These have always been with us, but we have never been here in such numbers as now.
We raped our mother, and now we wonder why she abandons us. Freud would have a fucking field day with humanity today.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:32:27am |
園まり was quite a cutie as well as a popular singer:
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:32:27am |
re: #249 freetoken
Ahhh... the return of Cato The Doomer.
Nope.
Cato the guy who's seen empires (and don't start with me about "America is not an empire") rise and fall and rise again.
Our day in the sun is done. For now. That is your fate, and mine, and your children's, and theirs. Unless you live longer than I already have, you will not see another.
Fine your niche. Be happy. Fuck the rest. It's out of our hands.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:34:04am |
re: #255 Cato the Elder
Nope.
Cato the guy who's seen empires (and don't start with me about "America is not an empire") rise and fall and rise again.
Our day in the sun is done. For now. That is your fate, and mine, and your children's, and theirs. Unless you live longer than I already have, you will not see another.
Fine your niche. Be happy. Fuck the rest. It's out of our hands.
We never had a day in the sun.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:37:10am |
re: #87 SpaceJesus
i wish i could upding this 1000 times
also, fuck france. that's karma for what they did to ireland. assholes. all of them.
Did I miss something? What did France do to Ireland?
Outside of the colonies, the Protestants, the Cathares - and the Jews during the Occupation - what did France ever do to anyone?
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:38:48am |
re: #251 Gus 802
Psst. Don't tell anyone I told you this but Dr. John Holdren was right. Perhaps not in how to attain goals of population control but he and his peers were right.
Of course he's right. It doesn't take a genius to see that a vertical population line must inevitably run into carrying capacity, and then the Malthusian nightmare comes to fruition.
But denial is the strongest of human instincts. It's a survival mechanism. It may also be our ultimate undoing.
It's a tragic state of affairs when war or disease are the only imaginable solutions to a much larger problem.
Ugh. I envy my cat. He looks so blissfully content right now. His bowl is full, his companion is near, and he knows nothing of his fate.
I wish it could be so simple.
We never should have eaten that fucking fruit and left the garden, so to speak. Alfie, my cat, is still back there in Eden. Only his Eden is a windowsill, for now.
Maybe long after we are gone, our cousins, the rest of the animals, will find a better way. Maybe they had it all along. Ignorance must truly be bliss.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:39:27am |
re: #258 ryannon
Did I miss something? What did France do to Ireland?
Outside of the colonies, the Protestants, the Cathares - and the Jews during the Occupation - what did France ever do to anyone?
Um, I think maybe SJ is talking about France's failure to free Ireland from the Brits.
It's bullshit, like most of what SJ says, but I just learned something new about him.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:40:11am |
The 1800s sucked. Famine, drought, Civil War that killed 100s of thousands, slavery. Early 1900s. WWI, Philippines, same old drought and famine then the Great Depression that soon followed including Cholera outbreaks, Polio, Influenze. WWII and the Axis powers with 10s of millions dead. Ku Klux Klan, Jim Crow Laws, lack of women's rights, riots, Cold War. War to stop the so called Communist threat in Korea then Vietnam. Letting people die in Cambodia, Laos, East Timor. During these time the poor in America lived like rats.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:41:57am |
re: #259 Fozzie Bear
I, personally, do not care about what may or may not come after me.
Actually, I see no philosophical or theological or cosmological reason why life should exist in the first place.
So tell me, in five words or less, why I should care if it ceases?
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:42:15am |
I am beginning to think that the past 30 years or so are nothing more than the long deep inhalation that precedes the biggest shitwreck of a storm mankind has ever seen.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:42:59am |
re: #262 Cato the Elder
I, personally, do not care about what may or may not come after me.
Actually, I see no philosophical or theological or cosmological reason why life should exist in the first place.
So tell me, in five words or less, why I should care if it ceases?
Because you love, and a rock cannot. (Seven words is all I got)
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Boogberg Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:43:49am |
Damn, people. Why so little faith in humanity's ability to overcome problems?
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:44:06am |
re: #263 Fozzie Bear
I am beginning to think that the past 30 years or so are nothing more than the long deep inhalation that precedes the biggest shitwreck of a storm mankind has ever seen.
One of the reasons is because after the collapse of the Soviet Union the USA has been intent on finding another enemy to sustain the militarist culture we've created. I almost said military-industrial complex but that's kind of cliche.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:44:37am |
re: #265 Boogberg
Damn, people. Why so little faith in humanity's ability to overcome problems?
Because insomnia doesn't engender optimism.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:45:26am |
re: #267 Fozzie Bear
Because insomnia doesn't engender optimism.
You bitch's bastard! You see right through me!
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:46:34am |
re: #267 Fozzie Bear
Because insomnia doesn't engender optimism.
Plus optimism is so establishment friendly. It's like apple pie and watching a John Wayne movie and thinking your life is great even though you work at a crappy job making little money and your neighbors still suck.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:46:49am |
I doubt I see little more than the glimmer of self reflection.
But maybe that's really all any of us see.
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Boogberg Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:46:58am |
re: #267 Fozzie Bear
Slam a six-pack. You'll sleep like a baby. :D
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Boogberg Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:48:48am |
re: #269 Gus 802
"I complained because I had no shoes. Then I met someone who had no feet."
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:49:12am |
It's like thinking you're going off to fight a war in a foreign land for freedom.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:49:38am |
re: #269 Gus 802
Plus optimism is so establishment friendly. It's like apple pie and watching a John Wayne movie and thinking your life is great even though you work at a crappy job making little money and your neighbors still suck.
Then again, here we sit in houses with heat, cooling, and running water. Our blood carries antibodies granted us by inoculations as children. We have pets, and refrigerators.
Mankind has never had it so easy, and we fear it is just a fleeting moment made painful in the relief of what is on its way.
Cato might be right. Live it up now, cause it doesn't get any better than this.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:52:01am |
re: #207 Gus 802
We live in a caste system.
You live in a broken system. There's no way to fix it.
Watch it fall apart.
And have a nice day!
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:52:32am |
re: #272 Boogberg
"I complained because I had no shoes. Then I met someone who had no feet."
And then I met the man who had no feet but had a family and was in a rather well off situation. Sometimes people with no feet have a better life than those without shoes. Think about comparing yourself to a poor man in Central America with no shoes and one that has no feet in a wealthy nation.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:54:16am |
re: #276 Gus 802
And then I met the man who had no feet but had a family and was in a rather well off situation. Sometimes people with no feet have a better life than those without shoes. Think about comparing yourself to a poor man in Central America with no shoes and one that has no feet in a wealthy nation.
Now you are sounding like Amartya Sen, my favorite economist.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:54:26am |
There is no "system".
There never has been.
Once you grok that, you will be on the road to freedom.
Nothing else matters.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:54:28am |
re: #274 Fozzie Bear
Then again, here we sit in houses with heat, cooling, and running water. Our blood carries antibodies granted us by inoculations as children. We have pets, and refrigerators.
Me:
cooling - no;
heating - off;
pets - no;
refrige - mostly empty.
Cato might be right. Live it up now, cause it doesn't get any better than this.
Well, then, this one is for you and The Doomer:
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:56:51am |
re: #277 Fozzie Bear
Now you are sounding like Amartya Sen, my favorite economist.
Sounds good. Privilege is relative. One can't compare a man that is blind in Appalachia to one that has a multimillion dollar record deal and lives in Beverly Hills.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:57:33am |
re: #261 Gus 802
The 1800s sucked. Famine, drought, Civil War that killed 100s of thousands, slavery. Early 1900s. WWI, Philippines, same old drought and famine then the Great Depression that soon followed including Cholera outbreaks, Polio, Influenze. WWII and the Axis powers with 10s of millions dead. Ku Klux Klan, Jim Crow Laws, lack of women's rights, riots, Cold War. War to stop the so called Communist threat in Korea then Vietnam. Letting people die in Cambodia, Laos, East Timor. During these time the poor in America lived like rats.
Such is the fate of the poor, particularly in countries driven by the Protestant Ethic and cheap, bad beer.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:58:48am |
There is much to be said for cheap, bad beer.
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Boogberg Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:59:25am |
re: #276 Gus 802
I won't ask you which you'd rather be, since you probably figured I would. :)
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:59:56am |
re: #263 Fozzie Bear
I am beginning to think that the past 30 years or so are nothing more than the long deep inhalation that precedes the biggest shitwreck of a storm mankind has ever seen.
Longer than that; depending on who you are and where you live, the shitwreck of a storm has already been raging for quite a while.
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Firstinla Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:00:06am |
re: #278 Cato the Elder
There is no "system".
There never has been.
Once you grok that, you will be on the road to freedom.
Nothing else matters.
Upding for reference to Michael Valentine Smith (Stranger in a Strange Land). We live in a strange, strange land in a strange, strange world in a strange, strange universe. Trying to grok all that strangeness is what keeps some of us happy.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:00:49am |
I'd like to be the man with no shoes, so long as I am unaware of the place in which the man with no feet lives.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:01:11am |
re: #265 Boogberg
Damn, people. Why so little faith in humanity's ability to overcome problems?
Because we're in a gridlock situation of our own making - and everyone is looking for an easy way out.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:01:41am |
re: #283 Boogberg
I won't ask you which you'd rather be, since you probably figured I would. :)
Oh, I probably couldn't answer that question. I mean, there could be a variety of different factors included. My immediate answer would be neither of the two. I'm sure neither would trade their lives for mine either.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:02:35am |
re: #284 ryannon
Longer than that; depending on who you are and where you live, the shitwreck of a storm has already been raging for quite a while.
True enough. But America is my frame of reference, selfish as it is to say.
re: #287 ryannon
Because we're in a gridlock situation of our own making - and everyone is looking for an easy way out.
I'd be happy to find a hard way out, if it were truly a way out.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:05:22am |
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:06:38am |
re: #289 Fozzie Bear
I'd be happy to find a hard way out, if it were truly a way out.
Love, compassion and patience.
Just like it always was.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:06:42am |
I've never been comforted by "it could be worse" scenarios. You could ask that of the man with no shoes. Someone could tell him the very same thing, "it could be worse", and he would just shrug.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:07:45am |
Obama must know we are screwed. He's not an idiot. I wonder what trait allows him to get up every morning and give it a go anyway. I do believe the man is probably doing his best. I imagine he has the ability to tune out the really big picture in favor of the problem at hand.
Shit, he's probably so busy from dawn until dusk that he doesn't have the opportunity to think of this kind of thing, from this kind of perspective.
The audacity of hope indeed.
re: #291 ryannon
Love, compassion and patience.
Just like it always was.
If only it were within me to have faith, it might be a little easier.
I'll do my best with those three, regardless.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:07:55am |
re: #289 Fozzie Bear
Perhaps the world was simpler in 1971?
Or maybe it just seems like that.
So I'll ride off into the sunset and leave the insomniacs music:
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:08:36am |
Everyone's logged off or bummed out - or both.
I'll try not to take it personally.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:09:32am |
re: #295 ryannon
Everyone's logged off or bummed out - or both.
I'll try not to take it personally.
I'm just getting over the flu, and haven't left my house for 2 days.
I'm not usually so philosophical, nor so pessimistic.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:11:47am |
re: #293 Fozzie Bear
The audacity of hope indeed.If only it were within me to have faith, it might be a little easier.
I'll do my best with those three, regardless.
Just getting out of bed in the morning is an act of faith.
Don't be hard on yourself, and watch what's going on around you attentively.
Hold the door open for someone today.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:12:52am |
And thus concludes my evening.
Finally starting to feel sleepy.
Thanks for the beam of light ryannon. It means a little more than you might think.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:14:55am |
re: #296 Fozzie Bear
I'm just getting over the flu, and haven't left my house for 2 days.
I'm not usually so philosophical, nor so pessimistic.
I don't consider it being pessimistic - which is another form of selfishness and egoism.
It's lucidity - and knowing that the only thing to do is to try to make it a little better on our own modest level.
Interpret that as you like - for some, it's getting the most, the biggest share. For others, it's just sharing. It's whatever you do. In the end, you have to live with yourself. In the end, it should have been a fine (and touching) experience.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:15:12am |
Optimism is overrated. Pretending to be optimistic is a typically American trait. One has to pretend to be optimistic even when one truly feels pessimistic to be accepted in a variety of social strata. I grew up in an Argentinian family where we didn't adhere to this particular social norm. Optimism for the most part only feeds into a great deal of delusion that can be unrealistic if not counter productive.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:16:16am |
re: #298 Fozzie Bear
And thus concludes my evening.
Finally starting to feel sleepy.
Thanks for the beam of light ryannon. It means a little more than you might think.
Thank you - I'm glad to hear this. Really.
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Firstinla Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:16:48am |
James Michner wrote in Hawaii paraphrasing "the saddest of times is when the gods begin to change.". I think that is the phase we are in now: the gods are changing and we don't know into what, or what to do about it. The United States is going through a significant change socially, politically, and financially. The saddness comes from feeling helpless against the change. But we will survive, but not unchanged.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:18:09am |
re: #300 Gus 802
Optimism is overrated. Pretending to be optimistic is a typically American trait. One has to pretend to be optimistic even when one truly feels pessimistic to be accepted in a variety of social strata. I grew up in an Argentinian family where we didn't adhere to this particular social norm. Optimism for the most part only feeds into a great deal of delusion that can be unrealistic if not counter productive.
It has literally become a religion in the U.S. It has its uses and its moments - but not as a replacement for actual faith.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:20:16am |
re: #302 Firstinla
James Michner wrote in Hawaii paraphrasing "the saddest of times is when the gods begin to change.". I think that is the phase we are in now: the gods are changing and we don't know into what, or what to do about it. The United States is going through a significant change socially, politically, and financially. The saddness comes from feeling helpless against the change. But we will survive, but not unchanged.
I think that's becoming increasingly obvious. And a lot of people are starting to panic. Not a good thing to see.
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Firstinla Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:22:00am |
I bid you all a good night. The sun will rise in a few hours: I'm an optimist.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:22:12am |
But it's time for my weekly lunch of cheese naan, chicken tikka and dal, etc. I need to shave and bathe. Nice being here with you people - bbl, and in the meantime, I wish you the best :-)
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:22:14am |
re: #303 ryannon
It has literally become a religion in the U.S. It has its uses and its moments - but not as a replacement for actual faith.
People usually respond by saying you're complaining. The irony of course is that you will find extremely pessimistic people pretending to be optimistic in order to fit in. So you meet someone on the street. He ask you, "how are doing?" You say, "fine, never felt better." Even though you might even be dying of cancer. The end result is that we fail at communicating or sharing our true states.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:23:15am |
re: #307 Gus 802
People usually respond by saying you're complaining. The irony of course is that you will find extremely pessimistic people pretending to be optimistic in order to fit in. So you meet someone on the street. He ask you, "how are doing?" You say, "fine, never felt better." Even though you might even be dying of cancer. The end result is that we fail at communicating or sharing our true states.
I know what you mean. It's partially a reason for why I left.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:24:51am |
re: #308 ryannon
I know what you mean. It's partially a reason for why I left.
Right. It's kind of weird. Always the same answer.
"How are you doing?"
"Doing great."
For once I would like to run into someone that answers "terrible." Which in many cases would be the truth.
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Boogberg Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:29:16am |
I think it's just a casual formality. Most people probably don't care all that much how you're doing.
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Boogberg Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:31:32am |
Did I just say casual formality? That doesn't make any fucking sense! lol
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:32:50am |
re: #311 Boogberg
I think it's just a casual formality. Most people probably don't care all that much how you're doing.
I suppose. But that's what I like about older people as I'm getting older too. They'll break the faux happiness facade more often and then you have a basis for dialogue. I also find it easier to break those norms with Europeans particularly Eastern Europeans.
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Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:45:00am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:22:29am |
Good Morning Lizards.
I have a complaint.
You guys all post so much cool stuff and I have a limited amount of time to read through it. Made it about 1/3rd of the way through the overnight and had to skip to the end to see if the butler did it.
I'm with Fozzie, I'd rather be a wingbat than a moonnut...although a moonnut could be a good bar food...like beer nuts, but more lunar....
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:23:42am |
Off to work where my ability to read lgf/upding and post is severely limited by Internet Explorer 6. Yes 6!!!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:26:49am |
re: #315 rwdflynavy
I'm with you
But don't fret. The pendulum will swing back. It seems right now that the 'wingnuts" are far outdoing the "moonbats" in crazy. I've been around a long time and will tell you that this is cyclical.
True, as each cycle is in, the "crazy" is worse than last cycle, but imho so is everything (think of the music kids listen to today then fondly recall that my parents thought MY music was crazy as their parents thought THEIR music was crazy)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:36:37am |
re: #300 Gus 802
Optimism is overrated. Pretending to be optimistic is a typically American trait. One has to pretend to be optimistic even when one truly feels pessimistic to be accepted in a variety of social strata. I grew up in an Argentinian family where we didn't adhere to this particular social norm. Optimism for the most part only feeds into a great deal of delusion that can be unrealistic if not counter productive.
There was a section of Lake Wobegon Days where Keillor wrote of a kid who nailed his 99 Complaints to the Moose Lodge (or whatever) door right before he left town in the middle of the night.
One of his complaints was worded (I'm paraphrasing) thusly...
"You taught us that when the 'going gets tough, the tough get going'; teaching us to persevere in the face of certain doom."
Changed my outlook on some things. And I'm an optimist.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:38:19am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:43:03am |
re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
heh ,, what do you know!!!
hopefully I'll have a "new" congressman representing where my South Carolina condo is
Another typical middle aged white racist conservative ,,
oh ,, wait,, , damn!!
//
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
(not to mention THIS guy seriously considering a run at the presidency)
[Link: www.hermancain.com...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:43:47am |
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laZardo Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:46:26am |
Remember that $1 Trillion worth of mineral deposits and how people were gonna claim that was the real reason we went into Afghanistan?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:48:38am |
re: #321 sattv4u2
Wow! It's early and all, but I am imagining that the Thurmond family will have a difficult time with the first thing that went through my mind. Which was, "Thurmond Thomas was running in South Carolina?"
Snicker.
Go SC!... The entertainment value of watching the Dem's hatchet the Republican plant in Rev. Green has given the country something to enjoy amidst the oil.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:52:47am |
re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wow! It's early and all, but I am imagining that the Thurmond family will have a difficult time with the first thing that went through my mind. Which was, "Thurmond Thomas was running in South Carolina?"
Snicker.
Go SC!... The entertainment value of watching the Dem's hatchet the Republican plant in Rev. Green has given the country something to enjoy amidst the oil.
He (Tim Scott) waxed Paul Thurmond 2-1
I was down there about 3 months ago to check on some things and I don't think I saw even one Thurmond sign anywhere
It's a pretty diverse district.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:59:19am |
re: #325 sattv4u2
"Dixie" moves farther and farther (or is it further and further?) into the rear view mirror.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:04:37am |
re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Dixie" moves farther and farther (or is it further and further?) into the rear view mirror.
according to some, it's alive and well atop the GOP!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:08:24am |
re: #327 sattv4u2
Let 'em believe what they want. I know where I stand. Don't know any conservative KKK members; so, whatever...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:11:32am |
How the heck is this word pronounced?
Schuylkill
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:12:49am |
re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oops. Sorry. Found an internetz pronouncer.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:13:22am |
re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
shy- kill
(theres a town in Pennsylvania by that name that I did some work in years ago, iirc)
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:13:47am |
re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Let 'em believe what they want. I know where I stand. Don't know any conservative KKK members; so, whatever...
EGGS aclly!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:30:22am |
re: #332 sattv4u2
But, wait for a minute. Someone's getting us some examples.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:32:45am |
re: #333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
But, wait for a minute. Someone's getting us some examples.
{yawn}!!
:)
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:36:59am |
SO ,, I get to work last night and open an e-mail from my boos
2 new pieces of equipment have arrived and need to be installed and tested, put through their paces,, see how good and user friendly they are
Top shelf, state of the art stuff. All the bells and whistles
High Def
Dolby
1080I
etc etc
PROBLEM ,,,, NO user manuals
So , I go to the companies website and download the manual (PDF files)
NO information on what all the buttons and menus on the units do
Boss will be here in about 2 hours
I am SO screwed!!
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:38:25am |
Morning Lizards.
Venezuela to nationalize U.S. firm's oil rigs
(Reuters) - Venezuela will nationalize a fleet of oil rigs belonging to U.S. company Helmerich and Payne, the latest takeover in a push to socialism as President Hugo Chavez struggles with lower oil output and a recession.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:39:56am |
re: #331 sattv4u2
shy- kill
(theres a town in Pennsylvania by that name that I did some work in years ago, iirc)
Skookle actually.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:40:15am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:42:31am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:43:27am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:44:32am |
re: #336 Bubblehead II
Lucky for Chavez, this means that investors will flock to him!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:44:56am |
re: #335 sattv4u2
You don't need no stinkin' manuals!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:45:50am |
re: #342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You don't need no stinkin' manuals!
the last 9 hours trying to figure these f&!**(@#()# things out disprove that
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:48:30am |
re: #343 sattv4u2
There's a small instruction booklet that's a hundred pages long
And on page one; you get stuck
It says if unsatisfac'try; you must bring this to the fac'try;
But the fac'try's in Japan so Rots of Ruck!
-Allen Sherman
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:52:52am |
re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There's a small instruction booklet that's a hundred pages long
And on page one; you get stuck
It says if unsatisfac'try; you must bring this to the fac'try;
But the fac'try's in Japan so Rots of Ruck!
-Allen Sherman
Worse ,,, ENGLAND
(two nations separated by a common language!!)
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:53:57am |
re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm waiting for the wingnuts to start frothing at the mouth (again) if this actually occurs and the Obama Administration takes little or no action.
I can already hear the shouts of, "this proves he a socialist", ect, ect.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:58:12am |
re: #346 Bubblehead II
I'm waiting for the wingnuts to start frothing at the mouth (again) if this actually occurs and the Obama Administration takes little or no action.
I can already hear the shouts of, "this proves he a socialist", ect, ect.
This proves he's a socialist!!! Oh wait, did you mean Chavez or Obama?//
Not sure there is much Obama can do about this other than protest to the UN (ha ha).
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:58:39am |
re: #346 Bubblehead II
Yeah. He should nuke them.
/
WTF is he supposed to do?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:02:48am |
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:04:53am |
re: #347 rwdflynavy
re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Exactly. What's he supposed to do about it? As rwdflynavy points out, a complaint to the U.N., at most, is all that can be done. But do you really think the wingnuts will accept that? There will be conspiracy theories flowing out of the woodwork when/if this happens.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:06:06am |
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:10:15am |
re: #353 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Obama owns Halliburton!
what?
// Well I guess that's why they haven't been called to testify before Congress.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:11:46am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:15:19am |
re: #355 Bubblehead II
// Well I guess that's why they haven't been called to testify before Congress.
That's so 1990's
Miscreants now get "summoned" to the White House!
/
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:32:12am |
re: #359 laZardo
"I did nawt conduct a business meeting with that man."
/OH BUBBA
"You're fired"
Trumpbubba
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:36:09am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:37:13am |
Morning everyone.
Interesting local story. A dog in DC has gone missing, possibly stolen. The interesting part? Her name: Chloe Moo Moo Poundcake.
[Link: www.princeofpetworth.com...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:37:33am |
re: #361 ryannon
Call them up.
I did
"all technicians are currently unavailable. For support, please visit our website at ,,,,,, "
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:38:23am |
re: #362 Mad Al-Jaffee
Morning everyone.
Interesting local story. A dog in DC has gone missing, possibly stolen. The interesting part? Her name: Chloe Moo Moo Poundcake.
[Link: www.princeofpetworth.com...]
What a coincidence
My SONS name is Chloe Moo Moo Cheesecake.!!!
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:39:59am |
re: #363 sattv4u2
I did
"all technicians are currently unavailable. For support, please visit our website at ,,, "
Well that's f'ckd up. I'd try to get through to the sales people and start raising hell. If you have their address, you might be able to find real people numbers. Or even by Googling their name.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:42:03am |
re: #365 ryannon
Well that's f'ckd up. I'd try to get through to the sales people and start raising hell. If you have their address, you might be able to find real people numbers. Or even by Googling their name.
Contact info is on their homepage.
I have left a message with the local (USA) sales rep. Probably won't hear from him till after my shift ends (about 1 1/2 hours from now)
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laZardo Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:42:33am |
re: #363 sattv4u2
My cable operator had a nifty way of getting around that.
They'd say "Please call again! Goodbye!" and hang up automatically after a certain number of 'all operators are busy.'
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:43:52am |
re: #367 laZardo
My cable operator had a nifty way of getting around that.
They'd say "Please call again! Goodbye!" and hang up automatically after a certain number of 'all operators are busy.'
Thats exactly whats happening when I dial the main number in the UK
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:00:51am |
re: #210 Cato the Elder
Till thousendthee!
Two words from Finnegans Wake, containing millions of pages of theology, astrology, ethics, philosophy, anthropology, archeology, gastronomy, viticulture, mystagogy, bibliolatry, criminololgy, cryptography, astronomy, geology, biology, phrenology, nephrology, history, herstory, sexology, and mythology:
Discuss.
Hint: One can derive the entire plot of "Lost" from those words.
Paging Cato-bot....
Can't derive everything but here's a (belated) post:
joyce, many layers: first and most obvious to me, for obvious reasons: till thousendthee: Robert Burns, 18th century:
O my Luve's like a red, red rose
That’s newly sprung in June;
O my Luve's like the melodie
That’s sweetly play'd in tune.
As fair art thou, my bonnie lass,
So deep in luve am I:
And I will luve thee still, my dear,
Till a’ the seas gang dry:
Till a’ the seas gang dry, my dear,
And the rocks melt wi’ the sun:
I will luve thee still, my dear,
While the sands o’ life shall run.
And fare thee weel, my only Luve
And fare thee weel, a while!
And I will come again, my Luve,
Tho’ it were ten thousand mile.
Til thousendthee: til we are are reunited, til you send for me, til I send for you, til death sends for us both:
Tho it were ten thousand mile.
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McSpiff Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:02:10am |
re: #367 laZardo
My cable operator had a nifty way of getting around that.
They'd say "Please call again! Goodbye!" and hang up automatically after a certain number of 'all operators are busy.'
When I worked backshift at a call center (5pm-1:00am), if you called in after 12:45 you were automatically transferred to Spanish Collections. Which was closed. So you just had an angry Spanish women yell at you, and were then automatically hung up on.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:03:03am |
Not Good.
California says whooping cough is at epidemic levels
"Whooping cough is now at epidemic levels in California and the state could record the highest number of illnesses and death due to the disease in 50 years, the state's top health official said Wednesday."
5 infant deaths since January from this.
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laZardo Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:16:31am |
Look on the bright side. Top Gear resumes this Sunday. :D
/Everyone is wingnuts for Jeremy Clarkson.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:23:11am |
re: #371 Bubblehead II
Not Good.
California says whooping cough is at epidemic levels
"Whooping cough is now at epidemic levels in California and the state could record the highest number of illnesses and death due to the disease in 50 years, the state's top health official said Wednesday."
5 infant deaths since January from this.
From the comments
All from illegals of course, and their anchor kids.
and who says illegals dont contribute anything.
Knee jerk, perhaps. But it would be interesting to see the demographics of the reported (An additional 600 possible cases are being investigated) cases
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:27:34am |
re: #373 sattv4u2
Figures. I will have to keep an eye on that story and see if the rhetoric gets even worse.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:28:15am |
Party in Toronto this weekend!!!!
Toronto's downtown banks empty out ahead of G20
* Business "virtually stopped", dealer says
* Massive police presence grows, protests begin
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Partial snip:
" Given the proximity of Canadian banks' head offices to the G20 summit, where financial sector reform will be a key issue, there are fears the office buildings and nearby branches could become targets for protesters.
That concern was underscored by the firebombing of a Royal Bank of Canada (RY.TO) branch in Ottawa last month. An anarchist group claimed responsibility for the blaze, which caused about C$500,000 in damages, and said it also planned to disrupt the G20 summit. Police arrested three man last week in connection with the firebombing.
"We will be closing some branches in close proximity to the security zone and putting in a plan to ensure that our critical businesses continue to operate," said Rob McLeod, a spokesman for Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CM.TO), Canada's No. 5 bank.
A total of about three dozen branches among the big banks are expected to be closed during the summit.
Fears of violence prompted the U.S. State Department last week to recommend that Americans avoid downtown Toronto ahead of and during the G20, due to the potential for large demonstrations that could turn nasty.
The security bill for the two summits -- estimated around C$1 billion ($960 million) -- is far above the cost for past gatherings and has been a subject of public and political criticism.
Protests, meanwhile, have begun to disrupt traffic on downtown streets, although not in the immediate summit area, where the police presence is heavy and three-metre (10-foot) fences have been erected.
A group of about 100 people walked through the main downtown commercial area earlier this week and briefly disrupted operations at a gas station.
One organizer said a reason for the demonstration was to observe police tactics.
Police, whose presence has been notable over the past week with personnel brought in from several regional forces, sent more than 90 officers to the protest, nearly outnumbering the activists."
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:30:41am |
About time they got this worked out.
U.S. Predator Drones to Surveil Mexican Border
*snip*
The department said Wednesday it has obtained Federal Aviation Administration permission to operate unmanned planes along the Texas border and throughout the Gulf Coast region.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:34:46am |
re: #376 Bubblehead II
About time they got this worked out.
U.S. Predator Drones to Surveil Mexican Border
*snip*
The department said Wednesday it has obtained Federal Aviation Administration permission to operate unmanned planes along the Texas border and throughout the Gulf Coast region.
Drones and cameras are all well and good, but unless the border patrols have some real back-up (i.e. national guard troops in real numbers) whats the use?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:35:01am |
Poll: Spill drags the president's rating down
.....Obama’s favorable/unfavorable rating is now at 47 percent to 40 percent, down from 49 percent to 38 percent in early May and 52 percent to 35 percent in January.
.....Indeed, the poll shows that only 6 percent have a favorable rating of BP. In the history of the NBC News/Journal poll, Saddam Hussein (3 percent), Fidel Castro (3 percent) and Yasser Arafat (4 percent) have had lower favorable scores, and O.J. Simpson (11 percent) and tobacco-maker Philip Morris (15 percent) have had higher ratings.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:35:54am |
re: #375 Ericus58
Have you seen this?
Wife of computer specialist arrested in G20 case
Explosive (actual) charges.
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:37:04am |
re: #373 sattv4u2
I'd bet dollars to donuts that it is due in significant part to the anti-vaxxer crowd.
Those deaths and illnesses (and the complications from them) were wholly preventable if parents had vaccinated their kids.
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laZardo Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:38:03am |
re: #381 laZardo
PIMF on started-but-not-finished reply to #375.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:39:40am |
re: #377 sattv4u2
Well it would allow them locate and track smugglers and their favorite routs as well act as a possible deterrent. But you are correct. They will be next to useless if there are not boots on the ground to intercept and detain.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:41:28am |
re: #380 lawhawk
I'd bet dollars to donuts that it is due in significant part to the anti-vaxxer crowd.
Those deaths and illnesses (and the complications from them) were wholly preventable if parents had vaccinated their kids.
In that it's California (the LA region in particular) I would have to conclude it's more likely immigrants. Don't know that the anti-vax crowd is that prevalent in Southern Cali
Sorry, just imho from the cheap seats
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Ericus58 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:41:53am |
re: #379 Bubblehead II
Have you seen this?
Wife of computer specialist arrested in G20 case
Explosive (actual) charges.
This is special:
"For those who know Sonne, it is this tendency for mischief that may have landed him in hot water. In high school, Sonne reportedly planted a fake bomb that resulted in his school being evacuated, causing classmates to vote him “most likely to become an international terrorist” in their yearbook, according to a former schoolmate."
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laZardo Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:43:23am |
re: #385 Ericus58
This is special:
"For those who know Sonne, it is this tendency for mischief that may have landed him in hot water. In high school, Sonne reportedly planted a fake bomb that resulted in his school being evacuated, causing classmates to vote him “most likely to become an international terrorist” in their yearbook, according to a former schoolmate."
He best be trollan.
/i think
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:43:53am |
re: #385 Ericus58
Isn't it though. If he was stupid enough to try it again, he deserves everything he gets. The wife as well if she was aiding him.
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:47:20am |
re: #384 sattv4u2
Well, I found the Times reporting on the whooping cough situation, and they too point to the migrant workers and their lack of vaccinations.
Dr. Chavez said that lack of information and inoculations in agricultural regions in the state’s Central Valley — home to many Latino farm workers — might be a culprit in the high incidence in that community. And indeed, Fresno County — in the heart of the valley — has the highest number of cases in the state, with 72 reported in May alone.Periodic outbreaks of pertussis are not uncommon. The disease is endemic worldwide, and some 5,000 to 7,000 cases are reported in the United States in a normal year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Epidemics occur every three to five years in the United States, with the most recent in 2005, when there were more than 25,000 reported cases nationwide, and nearly 3,200 in California, where 7 people died.
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:56:32am |
Here comes the meme... Obama took top potential rival in 2012 race out of running.
Really? Petraeus was a top candidate? Or is it really a tacit admission by those proffering this jibberish that they think GOP has no one worth running and capable of winning in 2012? I think that it may be more of the latter than anything else.
Isn't it hilarious that every time the country gets a popular general, he's suddenly a top political option for the party out of power. No one knows what his political affiliation is.
I just want Petraeus to do the job -
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darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:59:02am |
Good morning, everyone.
Rest in peace, Edith Shain. You took the kiss heard round the world.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:59:21am |
re: #388 lawhawk
lack of information and inoculations in agricultural regions in the state’s Central Valley — home to many Latino farm workers
Then a combo of both, although I wouldn't equate immigrants as "anti-vaxers" al a Jenny McCarthy et al
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darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:00:46am |
re: #389 lawhawk
If Obama wanted to take the top GOP candidate out of the running for 2012, he'd put Sarah Palin in charge of cleaning up the spill in the gulf...she loves wearing hip-waders for the camera.
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:04:13am |
NJ power rate-payers will feel the pain in coming years. Energy costs are going to rise significantly with the renewable energy projects on the table.
New Jersey’s effort to power much of the state with off-shore windmills will mean higher electric bills, state officials said today during a legislative review of the state’s proposed Offshore Wind Economic Development Act.Business and industry consultants put the additional cost to ratepayers at between $7 billion and $14 billion over 20 years once 1,100 megawatts of wind generation are being whipped up by the ocean turbines. Environmental groups put the pricetag at $5 billion, while legislators said the cost "is not presently quantifiable."
Whatever the price, Department of Environmental Protection Commissioner Bob Martin and Sen. Paul Sarlo (R-Bergen) said rates will definitely rise.
"Everything we have learned up to this time is that the cost of this energy is expensive. Ratepayers may bear the brunt of it," Sarlo said.
"Is renewable energy expensive? Yes, it is," Martin said during the Senate Budget and Appropriations Committee hearing. "We will pay higher rates. ... But the whole idea is to offset that by creating jobs and industry."
Martin later said moving to wind energy involves a "trade-off" of higher rates for creating new businesses and a cleaner environment.
Creating jobs? That remains to be seen - and other countries' experience has been decidedly against job creation (and that the cost for those jobs in subsidies simply is unsustainable and unaffordable). A cleaner environment is something we should be striving for, but the NIMBY crowd stands in the way of what would truly revolutionize the power distribution and generation - a new generation of nuclear power plants that could result in shutting down coal and oil plants - and eliminate emissions altogether. Modernizing the power grid is necessary to handle higher energy demands that are anticipated with the likes of electric cars and more tech.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:06:57am |
re: #389 lawhawk
I just want Petraeus to do the job
Mixed feelings. Petraeus already HAS a job (overseeing a region stretching from Irag to Afghan, with an eye on Iran)
Who replaces him in that roll?
I hoped yesterday would have resulted in McChrystal offering to resign and Obama not accepting it, instead privately reprimanding him and publicly telling him to go kick some Taliban ass
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McSpiff Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:15:00am |
re: #394 sattv4u2
Except McChrystal has never shown any intention of kicking Taliban ass, see the Yon piece on ROE.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:21:41am |
Good Morning and Happy Thursday Everyone! I would have gone to the gym this morning but I woke up with a sore throat and a cold to go with it so I think I'll just type/talk to you folks for a while since I have no voice and can't talk the normal way, if that's okay with you all?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:24:25am |
re: #398 Dragon_Lady
Good Morning and Happy Thursday Everyone! I would have gone to the gym this morning but I woke up with a sore throat and a cold to go with it so I think I'll just type/talk to you folks for a while since I have no voice and can't talk the normal way, if that's okay with you all?
No, that's not okay! You have call each of us and have at least a ten minute conversation!
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:26:40am |
re: #399 Mad Al-Jaffee
No, that's not okay! You have call each of us and have at least a ten minute conversation!
You're so cute Madman! But I think I'd rather not damage my vocal cords if I can help it. Laryngitis, ah you have to love it! NOT!
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:28:15am |
Good Morning fishin' hawgs and owners of sick dogs.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:29:35am |
re: #401 Spare O'Lake
Hi Spare O'! How are you on this lovely Thursday?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:31:59am |
Morning, Dragon Lady and everybody!
slow morning, eh?
An update to something I posted yesterday: Cap back on, oil being collected again.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:33:49am |
re: #401 Spare O'Lake
Good Morning fishin' hawgs and owners of sick dogs.
It's not my dog.
It's my oldest cat that's not doing well.
She's been eating less and less over the past year and has stopped eating altogether.
She doesn't appear to be in any pain or distress, she just isn't hungry enough to eat. She visits with us still, and walks around with purpose, not like she's sick.
I think she's dying of old age; and I hate watching her waste away.
*sob*
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:33:57am |
re: #403 reine.de.tout
Morning, Dragon Lady and everybody!
slow morning, eh?An update to something I posted yesterday: Cap back on, oil being collected again.
So I see, but in my case its a coughing hoarse morning. Lousy summer cold setting in I'm afraid. You sound perky, how are you doin' this lovely morning?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:35:03am |
re: #405 Dragon_Lady
So I see, but in my case its a coughing hoarse morning. Lousy summer cold setting in I'm afraid. You sound perky, how are you doin' this lovely morning?
So sorry for your cold! Always lousy in the summer.
Not so perky, actually (my oldest cat has reached the end of her life, it appears), but otherwise doing OK!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:36:01am |
errands call, BBL!
Hope everyone has a great day.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:38:51am |
re: #404 reine.de.tout
It's not my dog.
It's my oldest cat that's not doing well.
She's been eating less and less over the past year and has stopped eating altogether.
She doesn't appear to be in any pain or distress, she just isn't hungry enough to eat. She visits with us still, and walks around with purpose, not like she's sick.
I think she's dying of old age; and I hate watching her waste away.*sob*
Awww. my heart aches for you. I lost a kitty to thyroid disease four years back. We had just gotten the disease under control and she developed a tumor which kept her from eating and drinking. At that point we knew it was time to let her go. I still cry over loosing her sometimes. I'll never forget watching her sit and look at a bowel of water knowing she was thirsty but couldn't drink. I'm still heart broken over loosing Sage. *tears run down my face* I know what your going through. {{{Reine}}}
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:42:39am |
re: #403 reine.de.tout
Morning, Dragon Lady and everybody!
slow morning, eh?An update to something I posted yesterday: Cap back on, oil being collected again.
Reine... major fail on the PDF to WORD conversion. Don't know what happened, but after converting the PDF (I have a professional PDF convertor software), I tried to open it in WORD, and it locked up my computer, to the point of even breaking my network connection.
Don't know what's wrong, the PDF convertor was not some cheap freebie program, I paid 69.00 for it, to fill out some PDF forms for SP85 federal security clearance, a couple of years ago. The feds recommended the program for converting their PDF forms.
What ever... I'm not going to be able to got PDF to WORD to HTML... maybe HH can manage to do something with it.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:43:10am |
re: #404 reine.de.tout
It's not my dog.
It's my oldest cat that's not doing well.
She's been eating less and less over the past year and has stopped eating altogether.
She doesn't appear to be in any pain or distress, she just isn't hungry enough to eat. She visits with us still, and walks around with purpose, not like she's sick.
I think she's dying of old age; and I hate watching her waste away.*sob*
(Reine).
My 2 year old lab is at the vet today on IV, antibiotics, anti-nauseant, having x-rays and other tests. She hasn't eaten for several days and has other nasty stuff going on too. I'm a total basket case.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:44:30am |
re: #411 Dragon_Lady
Morning Walter! How are you today?
PFFFTTT, morning people with their cheery moods.
:P
:)
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:45:45am |
re: #402 Dragon_Lady
I'm fine thanks, but my lab is as sick as a dog.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:45:45am |
re: #412 Varek Raith
PFFFTTT, morning people with their cheery moods.
:P
:)
I'm trying to not let my head cold get to me so tough it out will you? :P
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Varek Raith Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:46:41am |
re: #414 Dragon_Lady
I'm trying to not let my head cold get to me so tough it out will you? :P
Gah, you're this cheery even with a cold?!?!
:/
///
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:46:48am |
Good morning, folks!
Actual conversation this morning, only the names have been deleted to prevent public embarrassment:
Me: Good morning, $coworker.
Co-worker: What's up, $me. You know what, I failed that test last night.
Me: Damn, that sucks... (slightly elongated pause) wait a minute, wasn't that an open book test?
Co-worker: No... well, yes it was... it's not that simple...
Me: (lauging to the point of turning red, continue for a few minutes)
Is it wrong of me to have laughed about that? Probably, but damn that was funny. Hope y'all are off to a better start than $coworker is...
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:48:50am |
re: #415 Varek Raith
Gah, you're this cheery even with a cold?!?!
:/
///
It either that or get depressed and that just won't do! Its summer time and the June gloom is in but it'll burn off and the sun will shine, its time to party!!!
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:49:19am |
5 Americans detained in Pakistan on terror charges were convicted by a Pakistani court - and will serve 10 years in prison.
The five Muslim men, all in their 20s, hail from the Washington, D.C. area.Prosecutors credit e-mail records for landing the conviction, saying they proved the men plotted attacks in Pakistan.
The men got 10 years apiece for criminal conspiracy and each received 5-year sentences for funding terror groups. The sentences are to be served concurrently, the Associated Press reports.
The father of one of the men said they were in the region to do humanitarian work.
"I will right away go to the high court, even to the International Court of Justice, to get these innocent youths justice," Khalid Farooq, whose son Umar was convicted on terror charges.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:50:58am |
re: #417 Dragon_Lady
It either that or get depressed and that just won't do! Its summer time and the June gloom is in but it'll burn off and the sun will shine, its time to party!!!
It's almost 100 degrees outside today. I shouldn't complain after the nast winter he had, but meh.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:50:59am |
re: #418 lawhawk
5 Americans detained in Pakistan on terror charges were convicted by a Pakistani court - and will serve 10 years in prison.
Pakistani prison? Fuckin' country club.
/
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:51:38am |
re: #411 Dragon_Lady
Morning Walter! How are you today?
Alright... but this week I had a really weird schedule at work. They loaded my hours on last weekend and this coming weekend, and I've had Monday through today off, go back for a 2:30 pm till 11:00 pm shift tomorrow.
So, it's almost been like a little vacation, but it seems to break the rhythm. Since I started there three months ago, most of my weeks have been a combination of 4 or 5 days of work, stretching my 20-25 hours over that many days (with an occasional 25 to 35 hour week, when they needed the coverage).
It's not that I haven't been making use of the time at home, just feels unusual to have so many days off in a row.
Did some new stones and chokers this week. I'm cutting some Sonora Sunrise for a wire wrap artist nearby, I have a small jewelry store in town that gave me a little room in their coop showcase, so I have some of my chokers there... and Kaiser has me doing a major modification to a computer application that I occasionally do maintenance work on from home, and the pay from that is going to help pay for a trip to France over the winter for my girlfriend and I.
Things are good.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:53:54am |
re: #419 Mad Al-Jaffee
It's almost 100 degrees outside today. I shouldn't complain after the nast winter he had, but meh.
It's supposed to get up to the 80's here in La La Land. Got to love the mild weather but all too soon we'll be having the 100's ourselves. Two years ago we read 117 on our porch in midday. Ugh, that was nasty!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:54:04am |
re: #409 Walter L. Newton
Reine... major fail on the PDF to WORD conversion. Don't know what happened, but after converting the PDF (I have a professional PDF convertor software), I tried to open it in WORD, and it locked up my computer, to the point of even breaking my network connection.
Don't know what's wrong, the PDF convertor was not some cheap freebie program, I paid 69.00 for it, to fill out some PDF forms for SP85 federal security clearance, a couple of years ago. The feds recommended the program for converting their PDF forms.
What ever... I'm not going to be able to got PDF to WORD to HTML... maybe HH can manage to do something with it.
OK, Walter, thanks for trying, and gosh, sorry for the trouble!
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darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:55:54am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:56:44am |
re: #422 Dragon_Lady
I need to either rejoin the gym and start running on the treadmill, or start biking in the mornings (even on work days.) It's too nasty out right after work.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:58:22am |
re: #421 Walter L. Newton
Yeah, I know what you mean, when I was working if I wasn't in the office I felt guilty, kinda like I was playing hooky. I have been out of work so long it's going to be hard to go back even though I know I have to get at least a part time job soon, my unemployment is going to run out again very soon so I need to at least bring in enough to help with rent.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:58:56am |
re: #423 reine.de.tout
Good Morning!
This morning's LA Times has an opinion piece on the moratorium, and they got plenty wrong. I'd like to email the editor with substantial portions of your pages and posts. Is that okay with you? It could have a shot at getting printed as a counterpoint. Or I can forward you the email. ?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:59:56am |
re: #410 Spare O'Lake
(Reine).
My 2 year old lab is at the vet today on IV, antibiotics, anti-nauseant, having x-rays and other tests. She hasn't eaten for several days and has other nasty stuff going on too. I'm a total basket case.
Oh, my. I hope your dog ends up OK.
My cat is very old, somewhere in the 18 year-old range; the last visit to the vet, he told me her bloodwork showed signs of kidney failure, not uncommon in old animals. There's nothing, really, that can be done for her, except to make her as comfortable as we can in familiar surroundings. If she begins to look like she's suffering, I'll take her in to have her put to sleep; otherwise, I'd just as soon just keep her here where she's not stressed out.
It's just hard. She's been an excellent pet (foundling, of course, like all of our pets).
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:00:48am |
re: #428 Rightwingconspirator
Good Morning!
This morning's LA Times has an opinion piece on the moratorium, and they got plenty wrong. I'd like to email the editor with substantial portions of your pages and posts. Is that okay with you? It could have a shot at getting printed as a counterpoint. Or I can forward you the email. ?
Yes, you can, and check your e-mails.
Hubby sent a letter to the editor of the local paper, and it was published. I'll send you the link to it, maybe something in there you can use.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:03:39am |
re: #425 Mad Al-Jaffee
I need to either rejoin the gym and start running on the treadmill, or start biking in the mornings (even on work days.) It's too nasty out right after work.
I try to go to the gym in the mornings right after I drop RWC at the train. If I go any other time the place is crowded with the beautiful people and I don't like to rub elbows with those folks. Too much ego all in one room makes for an uncomfortable time while working out//
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:05:04am |
re: #432 Dragon_Lady
I try to go to the gym in the mornings right after I drop RWC at the train. If I go any other time the place is crowded with the beautiful people and I don't like to rub elbows with those folks. Too much ego all in one room makes for an uncomfortable time while working out//
DL, I'm sure you are a "beautiful people"!
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:06:05am |
re: #433 reine.de.tout
DL, I'm sure you are a "beautiful people"!
You're sweet! {{{Renie}}} Thank you for the kind words.
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razorbacker Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:06:41am |
'Morning, Folks.
Temp training gig finished a few weeks ago; spent some time catching up on neglected homechores.
I learned a valuable lesson with this last gig; I don't have it in me to train people anymore. That's okay; lot's of folks don't do well in teaching situations. I just didn't realize that I'd become one of them.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:07:25am |
re: #434 Dragon_Lady
You're sweet! {{{Reine}}} Thank you for the kind words.
PIMF! I can't even get a hug right!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:07:50am |
re: #434 Dragon_Lady
You're sweet! {{{Renie}}} Thank you for the kind words.
Just the truth.
Ask RWC.
He'll confirm, I'm sure!
Errands errands - BBL (again, this time for real, I'm walking out the door)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:07:53am |
re: #423 reine.de.tout
OK, Walter, thanks for trying, and gosh, sorry for the trouble!
No trouble at all Reine, you know that.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:08:03am |
re: #432 Dragon_Lady
I try to go to the gym in the mornings right after I drop RWC at the train. If I go any other time the place is crowded with the beautiful people and I don't like to rub elbows with those folks. Too much ego all in one room makes for an uncomfortable time while working out//
Mine's never very crowded. It's a community center, about a mile and a half from home. I can use any of the community centers in my county (at least I can when I renew my membership) and most have gyms. I've mainly been biking and doing pushups for exercise, but I want to start doing some lifting again, plus lower back exercises.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:08:23am |
re: #424 darthstar
[Link: www.adobe.com...]
PDF to HTML service from Adobe. And it's free.
REINE... you see this link...
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:09:45am |
re: #424 darthstar
[Link: www.adobe.com...]
PDF to HTML service from Adobe. And it's free.
Thanks...
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:11:53am |
re: #439 Mad Al-Jaffee
Mine's never very crowded. It's a community center, about a mile and a half from home. I can use any of the community centers in my county (at least I can when I renew my membership) and most have gyms. I've mainly been biking and doing pushups for exercise, but I want to start doing some lifting again, plus lower back exercises.
Since I joined the gym I've lost 7 lbs, according to the scale, and I'm not hanging over the edge of my pants so much. It's nice to see results isn't it? I'd like to loose another 10 lbs by August when my parents want me to drive them out to Las Vegas to see my older brother who lives there.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:11:59am |
Jewish dance group stoned in Hanover, Germany
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
"German police are investigating the stoning of a Jewish dance group trying to perform on the street in the city of Hanover.
Youths reportedly shouted "Juden Raus" (Jews Out) as they attacked the dancers of the Chaverim ("Friends" in Hebrew) dance troupe last weekend."
Wait a minute.. didn't someone say recently that "The Jews" should get out of "Palistine" and go back to Europe where they belong/came from???!!
"Charlotte Knobloch, president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, told the Die Welt newspaper that anti-Semitic feelings were widespread in both far-right and Muslim communities in the country.
"It particularly saddens me that those anti-Semitic views can already be seen with such vehemence among children and youths," she said."
Gee... I wonder if the anti-Semitic message streamed daily to the youth in Gaza/West Bank/just-about-every-Middle-East-Arab-country will have a negative impact on peaceful co-existance with Israel (Jews) and it's Arab neighbors?
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Ojoe Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:12:16am |
re: #418 lawhawk
The father of one of the men said they were in the region to do humanitarian work.
Like I'm sure.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:13:37am |
re: #442 Dragon_Lady
Since I joined the gym I've lost 7 lbs, according to the scale, and I'm not hanging over the edge of my pants so much. It's nice to see results isn't it? I'd like to loose another 10 lbs by August when my parents want me to drive them out to Las Vegas to see my older brother who lives there.
I lost around 30 two years ago, and managed to keep most of it off. I've been kind of lazy recently, but I'll get back into my routine again soon (probably tomorrow.) And I have a goal to ride my bike very day in July (even if just for a few miles.)
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Ojoe Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:13:53am |
re: #442 Dragon_Lady
Solving America's health care crisis one person at a time.
The only way.
Hats off to you.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:17:51am |
re: #445 Mad Al-Jaffee
I lost around 30 two years ago, and managed to keep most of it off. I've been kind of lazy recently, but I'll get back into my routine again soon (probably tomorrow.) And I have a goal to ride my bike very day in July (even if just for a few miles.)
re: #446 Ojoe
Solving America's health care crisis one person at a time.
The only way.
Hats off to you.
Thanks Ojoe!
I haven't worked out in 7 or 8 years so it's been hard to get back to it but I'm determined to loose the jiggles! Besides my knees are going to take anymore weight on them so its either loose the weight now or end up in a wheel chair later and I'm absolutely not going there!
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:18:27am |
Anti-Semitism watch in Germany. Jewish dance group attacked at street festival in Hannover. "Jews out!" among the chants.
Jews out. That was a Nazi slogan for those who aren't quite sure. In Hannover. Germany.
Helen Thomas could not be reached for comment.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:18:59am |
re: #444 Ojoe
Ot
I owe you a link from a catch of yours-I just got lucky when I looked, the Wilson cam had caught something interesting... Seriously that is one of my most visited bookmarks, and you found it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:19:58am |
re: #448 lawhawk
Anti-Semitism watch in Germany. Jewish dance group attacked at street festival in Hannover. "Jews out!" among the chants.
Jews out. That was a Nazi slogan for those who aren't quite sure. In Hannover. Germany.
Helen Thomas could not be reached for comment.
I think HH posted her seat is empty at the WH. Lets give the seat to the Jerusalem Post reporter.
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:21:08am |
re: #450 Rightwingconspirator
Not unless and until they've completely deloused and disinfected the seat. /
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:24:44am |
BBL folks, I'm gonna let the Kitties out side for a while. The need to blow the stink off em' for awhile. Keep Laughing Everyone!
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wrenchwench Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:25:30am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:28:04am |
re: #455 wrenchwench
An admirable goal. Here's some inspiration. This guy has ridden over 6,000 days in a row so far, for at least an hour.
Thanks. I've done pretty good this year. I started riding in March, and I've done over 400 miles since then. I want to do my first century ride this summer, but I'm not sure how realistic that goal is.
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:28:28am |
Venezuela nationalizing oil rigs belonging to a US companies.
Venezuela will nationalize a fleet of oil rigs belonging to U.S. company Helmerich and Payne, the latest takeover in a push to socialism as President Hugo Chavez struggles with lower oil output and a recession.A former soldier inspired by Cuba's Fidel Castro, Chavez has made energy nationalization the linchpin in his 'revolution'. He has also taken over assets in telecommunications, power, steel and banking.
The 11 drilling rigs have been idled for months following a dispute over pending payments by the OPEC member's state oil company PDVSA. Oil Minister Rafael Ramirez said on Wednesday the rigs, the Oklahoma-based company's entire Venezuelan fleet, were being nationalized to bring them back into production.
Ramirez said companies that refused to put their rigs into production were part of a plan to weaken Chavez's government.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:30:10am |
re: #457 lawhawk
Venezuela nationalizing oil rigs belonging to a US companies.
Sean Penn/Danny Glover/(fill in your favorite moonbat name) could not be reached for comment...
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MandyManners Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:31:45am |
re: #448 lawhawk
Anti-Semitism watch in Germany. Jewish dance group attacked at street festival in Hannover. "Jews out!" among the chants.
Jews out. That was a Nazi slogan for those who aren't quite sure. In Hannover. Germany.
Helen Thomas could not be reached for comment.
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razorbacker Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:32:15am |
Time to move the garden sprinklers.
See you later.
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MandyManners Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:32:31am |
re: #457 lawhawk
Venezuela nationalizing oil rigs belonging to a US companies.
How are those rolling brown-outs doin in Venezuela?
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MandyManners Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:34:33am |
re: #458 Ericus58
Sean Penn/Danny Glover/(fill in your favorite moonbat name) could not be reached for comment...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:36:48am |
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KingKenrod Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:41:36am |
re: #393 lawhawk
NJ power rate-payers will feel the pain in coming years. Energy costs are going to rise significantly with the renewable energy projects on the table.
Creating jobs? That remains to be seen - and other countries' experience has been decidedly against job creation (and that the cost for those jobs in subsidies simply is unsustainable and unaffordable). A cleaner environment is something we should be striving for, but the NIMBY crowd stands in the way of what would truly revolutionize the power distribution and generation - a new generation of nuclear power plants that could result in shutting down coal and oil plants - and eliminate emissions altogether. Modernizing the power grid is necessary to handle higher energy demands that are anticipated with the likes of electric cars and more tech.
There's been lots of drilling for natural gas in the Dallas and Ft. Worth suburbs for a few years now. There are also reports of the drillers dumping toxic waste water in the ground - people say toxin levels are rising, the drinking water tastes funny, etc...I would much rather have a nuclear plant in my backyard than one of these wells.
There has been some public outcry, but not as much as you would think. The reason why, I believe, is because many suburbanites retain the mineral rights to their property, so they are getting royalty checks. The gas company can't drill unless they get some % of land owners to agree to the drilling, so this creates political pressure, neighbor to neighbor, to sign royalty agreements so the company can drill and the people start getting royalties.
Money talks and whining NIMBY environmentalists walk.
Perhaps it's been tried before, but why not pay people directly - send them a check or rebate on their electric bill - to accept nuclear plants nearby that they would otherwise reject? The prospect of getting paid would at the very least engage them in the issue and perhaps they will learn nuclear isn't as dangerous as they've been told.
It wouldn't be a permanent subsidy, just enough of one to get the nuclear foot in the door.
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:43:17am |
The marathon match resumes. Longest tennis match in history - resumes at Wimbledon.
John Isner of the United States and Nicolas Mahut of France are now tied at 67 games apiece in the fifth set at Wimbledon in what already is the longest tennis match on record.When the first-round match was suspended Wednesday night, it already had lasted 10 hours, nearly 3½ hours longer than the previous mark. The fifth set alone has lasted 7 hours, 6 minutes.
Play is continuing for a third day on Thursday. Isner and Mahut split the first four sets Tuesday, before it became too dark to play. They began the fifth set Wednesday at 2:04 p.m., and play was halted at 9:10 p.m., because of darkness.
67 games apiece in the 5th set.
Consider for a moment that a 5 set match would have something like 50 games (6-4, 4-6, 6-4, 4-6, 6-4). They're at 67 games each. Epic isn't quite the word for this.
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Nimed Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:44:59am |
OMG. After the French debacle, Italy is on the verge of losing to Slovakia.
This is huge.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:45:24am |
re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How the heck is this word pronounced?
Schuylkill
It's pronounced (here in PA)
Skoo-kill
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MandyManners Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:46:11am |
An aide to Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, told El Nuevo Herald on Wednesday that the White House has not replied to the senators' letter. Moira Mack, a White House spokeswoman, said the administration was not aware of the letter. ``We have not yet received the letter,'' said Mack in an e-mail message. ``We will review it upon receipt.'' She did not answer whether Obama was contemplating such a plan.
The senators' query is confirmation of widespread rumors swirling in recent weeks in the U.S. capital that Obama could be planning a surprise executive action to prohibit the continuing deportations of undocumented immigrants who have no criminal convictions.
SNIP
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darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:46:14am |
re: #467 lawhawk
The marathon match resumes. Longest tennis match in history - resumes at Wimbledon.
67 games apiece in the 5th set.
Consider for a moment that a 5 set match would have something like 50 games (6-4, 4-6, 6-4, 4-6, 6-4). They're at 67 games each. Epic isn't quite the word for this.
So far, the score is 6-4,3-6, 7-6, 6-7, 6-6, 6-6, 6-6, 6-6, 6-6, 6-6, 6-6, 6-6, 6-6, 6-6, 6-6, 1-1 in the fifteenth set.
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:46:27am |
re: #469 Fozzie Bear
I prefer calling it "the road that I would never want to drive". The highway that parallels the river is a mess, even by NYC standards. And the drivers are worse.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:47:40am |
Hot Air has the dumbest outrageous outrage I've seen in a while: Dem Rep says “minorities, defective[s]” not “average, good American people”
We’re giving relief to people that I deal with in my office every day now unfortunately. But because of the longevity of this recession, these are people — and they’re not minorities and they’re not defective and they’re not all the things you’d like to insinuate that these programs are about — these are average, good American people.
The guy is talking about the often racist characterization that Republicans make about social welfare programs. Just plain stupid.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:47:56am |
What's happen... where is the Wingnut Brigade? Not to many wingnut article posting this morning... did someone slap your hand?re: #469 Fozzie Bear
It's pronounced (here in PA)
Skoo-kill
I thought everyone knew that. Maybe you had either grow up in Philly or nearby...
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darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:48:34am |
Italy eliminated in group play. Slovakia 3 - Italy 1 with a few minutes left.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:49:08am |
re: #473 Killgore Trout
and a lovely comment from hot air....
They aren’t people with negr0 dialects, or clean articulate black guys, or folks with Indian accents, or white ni**ers, or diamond merchants from hymietown, no no no, these are good American people.Bishop on June 24, 2010 at 11:41 AM
The thread has only 4 comments so far. Much more to come I'm sure.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:50:14am |
re: #468 Nimed
OMG. After the French debacle, Italy is on the verge of losing to Slovakia.
This is huge.
hahahahaha
3-1 now
Mass depression hits Europe.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:50:57am |
re: #472 lawhawk
I prefer calling it "the road that I would never want to drive". The highway that parallels the river is a mess, even by NYC standards. And the drivers are worse.
Drivers are worst... you just don't know what fun is. And remember the old West Side Highway... a chariot race with lanes barely big enough for vehicles wider than a horse and buggy.
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:53:59am |
re: #478 Walter L. Newton
They shut down the West Side elevated highway when I was a young 'un so I don't remember it.
I do still drive over the Goethals and Outerbridge and occasionally drive the Pulaski Skyway, and they're a challenge in good weather. Forget about driving 'em in bad weather though - super narrow lanes that are safe for maybe a motor cycle. They allow big rigs on the Goethals and Outerbridge - so that's a white knuckle ride, especially if its windy.
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:55:05am |
re: #477 Ericus58
3-2, Italy just scored in injury time. But I don't think it's going to be enough. Too little. Too late.
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laZardo Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:56:14am |
re: #477 Ericus58
hahahahaha
3-1 nowMass depression hits Europe.
QUICK QUESTION
I thought America would play Germany if they beat Ghana. Now it looks like it'll be the Battle of Britain again.
/world cup brackets were not my major in college
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Nimed Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:59:18am |
re: #477 Ericus58
hahahahaha
3-1 nowMass depression hits Europe.
Ahahah. Hey, not all of it. I'm quite happy with my Portuguese second nationality right now. And don't forget Slovakia is an European underdog...
Germany is playing England in the round of 16, so that's one less European favorite team not matter what happens. Netherlands have made it to the next round, which is a good thing, they play a fantastic game. We'll see how things go for Spain, but on the whole I'm very happy with the absence of European dominance. And the Italians play the most boooring soccer in the world. Good riddance!
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laZardo Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:59:40am |
re: #481 laZardo
I thought America would play Germany if they beat Ghana. Now it looks like it'll be the Battle of Britain again.
Oh, and yes, it is ALWAYS about the War.
/Top Gear's new season premieres Sunday. :D
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MandyManners Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:59:46am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:59:47am |
re: #479 lawhawk
They shut down the West Side elevated highway when I was a young 'un so I don't remember it.
I do still drive over the Goethals and Outerbridge and occasionally drive the Pulaski Skyway, and they're a challenge in good weather. Forget about driving 'em in bad weather though - super narrow lanes that are safe for maybe a motor cycle. They allow big rigs on the Goethals and Outerbridge - so that's a white knuckle ride, especially if its windy.
Wow... I'm really old then... stop that... I lost track of how long ago that was torn down... I wish I never brought it up.
I've driven all those other bridges and highways (no, eastern usage equals parkways) many times. Actually miss the Pulaski.
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:04:08am |
re: #486 Walter L. Newton
(a Sopranos highway drive - including the Stickel drawbridge, NJ Turnpike, the Lincoln helix, and the Pulaski:| 489 |
Nimed Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:04:34am |
re: #481 laZardo
QUICK QUESTION
I thought America would play Germany if they beat Ghana. Now it looks like it'll be the Battle of Britain again.
/world cup brackets were not my major in college
Groups winners don't play against each other in the round of 16. We've won Group C, so we'll play the runner-up of Group D.
Which is a really good thing. The German team will likely trounce the Brits.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:08:33am |
re: #483 Nimed
Ahahah. Hey, not all of it. I'm quite happy with my Portuguese second nationality right now. And don't forget Slovakia is an European underdog...
Germany is playing England in the round of 16, so that's one less European favorite team not matter what happens. Netherlands have made it to the next round, which is a good thing, they play a fantastic game. We'll see how things go for Spain, but on the whole I'm very happy with the absence of European dominance. And the Italians play the most boooring soccer in the world. Good riddance!
I have found this World Cup to be fantastic in many ways.
Great mix of teams from countries that wouldn't be thought of being there, lot's a good fun for folks.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:12:11am |
re: #472 lawhawk
I prefer calling it "the road that I would never want to drive". The highway that parallels the river is a mess, even by NYC standards. And the drivers are worse.
It's not-so-affectionately referred to as the "surekill expressway" by the locals, a reference to the number of deaths in traffic accidents on that road being so high.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:15:25am |
re: #476 Killgore Trout
Sure enough.....
The Black and Hispanic communities are an absolute disgrace, and are inferior to white people.epluribusunum on June 24, 2010 at 11:48 AM
...
Well this beats that all to hell and gone but since its approved government racism ….no worriesCity of Seattle tells contractors: NO WHITES MALES!
The City of Seattle held a pre-bid meeting for contractors in which they were told that they must use female and minority apprentices for city jobs. The jobs in question are being paid for by the Federal Stimulus program.
Slide seven of city’s powerpoint presentation states “Must use under represented groups — No white males w/o WSDOT approval and extensive good faith effort documentation.”
Aggie95 on June 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM
....
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:17:15am |
re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There was a section of Lake Wobegon Days where Keillor wrote of a kid who nailed his 99 Complaints to the Moose Lodge (or whatever) door right before he left town in the middle of the night.
One of his complaints was worded (I'm paraphrasing) thusly...
"You taught us that when the 'going gets tough, the tough get going'; teaching us to persevere in the face of certain doom."
Changed my outlook on some things. And I'm an optimist.
I remember that guy! He wants to nail his document (complaints about his Scandinavian-American Lutheran upbringing) to the door of the Lutheran church, but the youth group is having a meeting, and he's afraid of being heard, and besides, he doesn't want to make nail holes in a good piece of wood. So he shoves it under the door of the newspaper office.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:25:29am |
re: #452 lawhawk
Not unless and until they've completely deloused and disinfected the seat. /
Oh, just put a towel down on it. Journalists are pretty tough.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:27:05am |
re: #473 Killgore Trout
Hot Air has the dumbest outrageous outrage I've seen in a while: Dem Rep says “minorities, defective[s]” not “average, good American people”
The guy is talking about the often racist characterization that Republicans make about social welfare programs. Just plain stupid.
It's also an extremely bad phrasing of what I assume he means. He should prepare to have his ass kicked from a few different angles, deservedly.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:27:06am |
Jesus and Mohammed discuss crazy people:
[Link: givesgoodemail.com...]
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:30:43am |
re: #495 SanFranciscoZionist
It's also an extremely bad phrasing of what I assume he means. He should prepare to have his ass kicked from a few different angles, deservedly.
Not really. Watch the video. It's very clear that he's talking about the Republican characterizations of social welfare programs. Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin, et al repeatedly claim that social welfare programs are a seekrit socialist plot to redistribute wealth. It's a common talking point. Attacking that talking point is not racist. He's pointing out the racist talking points often used by opponents of social welfare programs.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:33:05am |
The shrieking harpy has decided to counterattack by pulling out my comments from last night.
Great! I was just planning to do a post about those so-called "evangelists" and their agenda in Dearborn.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:33:36am |
re: #497 Killgore Trout
Not really. Watch the video. It's very clear that he's talking about the Republican characterizations of social welfare programs. Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin, et al repeatedly claim that social welfare programs are a seekrit socialist plot to redistribute wealth. It's a common talking point. Attacking that talking point is not racist. He's pointing out the racist talking points often used by opponents of social welfare programs.
I'll check the vid. then.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:33:40am |
re: #497 Killgore Trout
Wow, listening to it makes it seems much less nefarious than it seems when quoted in text.
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darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:33:53am |
re: #498 Charles
The shrieking harpy has decided to counterattack by pulling out my comments from last night.
Great! I was just planning to do a post about those so-called "evangelists" and their agenda in Dearborn.
I think she's got the hots for you, Charles.
//
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:34:39am |
I don't think Charles is in the habit of sexing up insane hateful wenches.
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Kragar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:34:45am |
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darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:35:48am |
re: #503 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Somebody's got a crush...
Actually, I think she's just doing the Ann Coulter thing. Getting people riled up so she'll get more traffic to her site (since she's not getting Paypal donations anymore).
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:35:59am |
re: #497 Killgore Trout
Not really. Watch the video. It's very clear that he's talking about the Republican characterizations of social welfare programs. Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin, et al repeatedly claim that social welfare programs are a seekrit socialist plot to redistribute wealth. It's a common talking point. Attacking that talking point is not racist. He's pointing out the racist talking points often used by opponents of social welfare programs.
That's the kind of thing these morons specialize in -- latching onto statements taken completely out of context, and screaming about how outrageous they are.
It's really getting tedious. They do it every single chance they get.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:36:08am |
The comments over at Hot Air are fucking disgusting. I need a shower.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:36:20am |
re: #498 Charles
The shrieking harpy has decided to counterattack by pulling out my comments from last night.
Great! I was just planning to do a post about those so-called "evangelists" and their agenda in Dearborn.
Kick her drunken scrawny bottom :)
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:36:50am |
Did anyone dig up any more info on the acts17 group that I should know about?
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:37:22am |
Karma is a bitch.
I laugh at a co-worker about his test thing last night, and a moment ago I got off the phone after being drilled and chastized by a customer who was given misinformation by another department.
*shakes fist at karma, and slaps on another nicotine patch*
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:39:25am |
re: #497 Killgore Trout
Not really. Watch the video. It's very clear that he's talking about the Republican characterizations of social welfare programs. Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin, et al repeatedly claim that social welfare programs are a seekrit socialist plot to redistribute wealth. It's a common talking point. Attacking that talking point is not racist. He's pointing out the racist talking points often used by opponents of social welfare programs.
OK, I've heard the vid, and I think it's overall an excellent speech, and his intent is clear.
I do think that using 'minorities' as an example of what these folks are not is a very poor choice of words, and one he will be criticized for, and it's a
shame, because what he's saying is important and otherwise very well put.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:39:30am |
re: #505 Charles
That's the kind of thing these morons specialize in -- latching onto statements taken completely out of context, and screaming about how outrageous they are.
It's really getting tedious. They do it every single chance they get.
Its so obvious what Kanjorski was trying to say, and yet this is somehow proof that he's racist?
The far right is so incredibly intellectually dishonest it boggles the mind. Both fringes, really.
And there just isn't anything we can do but try to point out why they are being retarded, over and over and over and over.
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darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:40:24am |
re: #508 Charles
Did anyone dig up any more info on the acts17 group that I should know about?
A quick google turned up acts17.net and their sister site answeringmuslims.com
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:40:29am |
re: #498 Charles
The shrieking harpy has decided to counterattack by pulling out my comments from last night.
Great! I was just planning to do a post about those so-called "evangelists" and their agenda in Dearborn.
I look forward to it. LGF is my primary source for news of that sort.
Are these guys related to the family or whatever it is that let's politicos live for free in DC?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:41:20am |
By the way, "Acts 17" is a famous Dominionist passage. These aren't simple "evangelists," they're hard core Dominionists -- fanatics.
And yes, I have absolutely no hesitation about comparing groups like this to the Taliban. The differences are in degree, not kind.
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darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:42:35am |
For a site that calls itself "apologetic" they arent very.
Q: "Muslim scholars consider your quotations from Islamic history to be weak - why don't you see that?"
A: We do see that - we don't care. People have been biased throughout history, and Muslims are among the worst when it comes to raising their prophet to the level of a god
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:43:28am |
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:44:48am |
re: #514 Charles
Lol, I can't wait till Spare O'Lake sees this.
He was taking great umbrage at the comparison between the Taliban and dominionists. As if they aren't the same fucking thing in different flavors.
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darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:45:38am |
re: #516 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, hell, I'm convinced right there!
//
Okay...spent five minutes reading their hate...it's sick. "We don't hate muslims...even the loving ones." Sheesh. Like peaceful muslims are the minority. What a bunch of fucking assholes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:46:05am |
re: #514 Charles
By the way, "Acts 17" is a famous Dominionist passage. These aren't simple "evangelists," they're hard core Dominionists -- fanatics.
And yes, I have absolutely no hesitation about comparing groups like this to the Taliban. The differences are in degree, not kind.
"Look lady, just because my father didn't rape the environment and exploit the workers doesn't make me a peasant. And it's not that he didn't want to rape the environment and exploit the workers; I'm sure he did. It's just that working as a barber, he didn't get that much opportunity!"
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:46:37am |
re: #515 darthstar
Right. They openly admit that they're using "weak" quotations from the Koran -- but they don't care. Pretty amazing that they would actually post something like that on their website -- but that's the kind of thing fanatics do. They're utterly convinced that they're right about everything, and that means they can use any tactics at all to achieve their aims. Including lying and dishonesty.
This incident in Dearborn was a complete setup. Just like the fascist groups that Geller loves so much, they deliberately staged a confrontation with the police that they could blow up into a big stupid grievance party.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:46:50am |
Just noticed that Hot Air has chimed in with support to the Christian anti-muslim fanatics mentioned in the Pam Gellar thread downstairs.
And the comments are oozing in as well:
Do we arrest the Islam for their beliefs?
mixplix on June 23, 2010 at 6:45 PMClearly the answer is to start violence, burn cars, and threaten the locals by Christians. Not only do the muslims understand this the politicians do.
jukin on June 23, 2010 at 7:00 PM
At the risk of being banned, I’ll just say it.
The crusades never ended. We may have to take up arms again.
Chaz706 on June 23, 2010 at 7:16 PMCreeping sharia, Dearborn is now part of the ummah, and it will spread like a cancer.
Time to make islam illegal, before the cancer kills us.
Rebar on June 24, 2010 at 12:08 PM
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:47:39am |
re: #514 Charles
By the way, "Acts 17" is a famous Dominionist passage. These aren't simple "evangelists," they're hard core Dominionists -- fanatics.
And yes, I have absolutely no hesitation about comparing groups like this to the Taliban. The differences are in degree, not in kind.
I've found some stuff relating to dominionists' love for Acts 17(but not that specific group)-- if people read it they can see why the hardcore haters love it so very much:
FRC according to RightwingWatch:
God loves the nations. He desires that nations seek and find Him.He has “made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel their way toward him and find him…” (Acts17:26-27, ESV).
PDF etc at link.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:48:31am |
re: #521 RadicalModerate
Ahh yes, "good Germans", all.
I love the smell of genocidal nerd rage in the morning. Thank god these people are, for now, mostly impotent.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:49:49am |
re: #521 RadicalModerate
Psst. Don't tell anybody, but those comments are all planted by Killgore Trout.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:50:36am |
They may as well start speculating about what the "final solution" to the "Muslim question" is.
Fucking disgusting.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:52:13am |
re: #521 RadicalModerate
Just noticed that Hot Air has chimed in with support to the Christian anti-muslim fanatics mentioned in the Pam Gellar thread downstairs.
And the comments are oozing in as well:
do we arrest the Islam
I don't know... Do we arrest the Judaism? Do we arrest the Christianity? What about the Buddhism?
"Secular Humanism! Pull over! You're going 55 in a 35!"
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:52:29am |
re: #524 Charles
Uh oh. You just gave the stalkers their "talking point" for the day.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:53:13am |
I think there it would be called a "stalking point".
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:53:25am |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:54:33am |
And now the radical Christian legal group called the Thomas More Society is involved.
This is the group that promotes and defends anti-gay and anti-abortion causes, and also pimps creationism across the country. They were deeply involved in the Dover intelligent design case.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:54:35am |
re: #525 Fozzie Bear
They may as well start speculating about what the "final solution" to the "Muslim question" is.
Fucking disgusting.
Yeah and by being so repulsive, ignorant and hateful the Dominionist whackos, make a serious conversation about real problems with the way Islam is widely and currently practiced in the M.E. Africa and Asia, difficult. We are seeing equally odious and repulsive hateful folks holding up mirrors to each other and ignoring the reflections.
Just a simple test for sane people. If someone is religious - any religion - fine. The second they start wanting to aggressively kill for it, abuse others or behave with reckless psychotic abandon, there is an issue.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:55:37am |
re: #530 Charles
And now the radical Christian legal group called the Thomas More Society is involved.
This is the group that promotes and anti-gay and anti-abortion causes, and also pimps creationism across the country. They were deeply involved in the Dover intelligent design case.
Just to speed me up - I am assuming there was some new incident in Deerborne? This is not the Hutaree folks? Could someone fill me in?
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Kragar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:59:20am |
re: #525 Fozzie Bear
They may as well start speculating about what the "final solution" to the "Muslim question" is.
Fucking disgusting.
What do you mean "start"? They've been doing that for years.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:00:22am |
Ugh. People who believe in witches and 'spiritual adultery' cite acts 17 all the time too. it turns out. Yikes.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:00:34am |
Thomas More, by the way, is infamous for torturing and putting "heretics" to death.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:01:15am |
re: #515 darthstar
Wow, they're lying even in that one little snippet you posted there. To equate anyone or anything with God is 100% anathema to the core concept of Islam.
I make a point of avoiding those kinds of sites, but I did follow you link. Thirty seconds was about all I could stand.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:01:16am |
re: #525 Fozzie Bear
They may as well start speculating about what the "final solution" to the "Muslim question" is.
Fucking disgusting.
There's a very strong undertone of that on some of these sites. And then they think Jews should support them out of fear.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:01:35am |
re: #498 Charles
The shrieking harpy has decided to counterattack by pulling out my comments from last night.
Funny. To make her look bad--quote her words. When she tries to do that to you--it doesn't work. That must be frustrating to someone who can't understand why.
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Kragar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:01:54am |
re: #535 Charles
Thomas More, by the way, is infamous for torturing and putting "heretics" to death.
But he did it to save their souls, so its cool.
///
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:02:07am |
This particular flavor of Dominionism is relatively new to me.
I have been closely following the "Intelligent Design" movement for years, but this stuff is even scarier. Dumb kinds not understanding the basic tenets of biology is one thing. Advocating genocide is quite another.
And no, there is NO effective difference between talking about "rounding up" a group, and talking about genocide. Once you round then up, WTF do you think step 2 is?
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:02:25am |
re: #535 Charles
Exactly the same folks who were fine with waterboarding right?
OMG.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:02:45am |
re: #534 iceweasel
Ugh. People who believe in witches and 'spiritual adultery' cite acts 17 all the time too. it turns out. Yikes.
I'll have to go back and reread the chapter. I didn't get that much out of it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:03:15am |
re: #535 Charles
Thomas More, by the way, is infamous for torturing and putting "heretics" to death.
So is bloody everyone from the sixteenth century, to be perfectly honest...
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:03:32am |
re: #535 Charles
Thomas More, by the way, is infamous for torturing and putting "heretics" to death.
I thought he stole from the poor, and gave to the rich... stupid b*tch...
...oh that was Mighty Dennis Moore. My bad.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:04:44am |
re: #540 Fozzie Bear
This particular flavor of Dominionism is relatively new to me.
I have been closely following the "Intelligent Design" movement for years, but this stuff is even scarier. Dumb kinds not understanding the basic tenets of biology is one thing. Advocating genocide is quite another.
And no, there is NO effective difference between talking about "rounding up" a group, and talking about genocide. Once you round then up, WTF do you think step 2 is?
You send them to the same farm that your child's dog went to live on. With nice country air, and flowers.
//Eye roll here.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:05:31am |
re: #393 lawhawk
NJ power rate-payers will feel the pain in coming years. Energy costs are going to rise significantly with the renewable energy projects on the table.
Creating jobs? That remains to be seen - and other countries' experience has been decidedly against job creation (and that the cost for those jobs in subsidies simply is unsustainable and unaffordable). A cleaner environment is something we should be striving for, but the NIMBY crowd stands in the way of what would truly revolutionize the power distribution and generation - a new generation of nuclear power plants that could result in shutting down coal and oil plants - and eliminate emissions altogether. Modernizing the power grid is necessary to handle higher energy demands that are anticipated with the likes of electric cars and more tech.
I am all for Nuclear power, but, your assertion that wind is not profitable in other contries is siimply not true. Denmark, Germany and Israel have been very successful at turning profits from it.
I do not doubt that by the time the various different groups all take their slice of the pie in America, it costs a lot to try to start something up in New Jersey. I also do not doubt for a second that a proper inquiry into who and what is making it so expensive would sort out the problem quite quickly. Do not confuse a policy failure because of corruption and bad government with a technological failure.
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Kragar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:06:30am |
re: #543 SanFranciscoZionist
So is bloody everyone from the sixteenth century, to be perfectly honest...
GEORGIUS AGRICOLA BURNED HERETICS?!?!
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:06:36am |
Exposing David Wood: Of Mosques and Men, Pt. 1
David Wood is a Christian apologist who attempts to save Muslim souls through his organization Acts 17 Apologetics and [Link: www.answeringmuslims.com....] In the past Wood and his entourage, including ex-Ahmadi Muslim Nabeel Qureshi have targeted the Dearborn Arab Festival in Michigan for proselytism.
At the 2009 Arab Festival, David Wood made a controversial, and some claim one sided video that received over a million hits on YouTube which showed them getting kicked out of the festival. They claim that they were just engaged in free speech, whereas security at the festival stated that they were insulting and harassing festival goers.
Other Evangelical Christians criticized Wood and his group as being agitators,{..}
Now David Wood, whose “love of Muslims” seems to be akin to Pamela Geller’s (who he links to favorably a number of times) is joining arms with the anti-Muslim hate group SIOA in opposing the mosque and cultural center that is to be built a few blocks away from Ground Zero.
In the following video, filled with disinformation, falsehood and inaccuracies he expounds his reasons as to why he is against the mosque, and why he sees Muslims as a lurking evil attempting to take over the West. We expose it all in this series.
[Link: www.loonwatch.com...]
Assume CJ has seen this, but what the heck.
Surprise, surprise, they're mixed up with the OMG MOSQUE GROUND ZERO BLARGH shrieking harpy shit. Video at link.
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Kragar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:06:57am |
re: #544 MrSilverDragon
I thought he stole from the poor, and gave to the rich... stupid b*tch...
...oh that was Mighty Dennis Moore. My bad.
Your lupins or your life!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:07:05am |
re: #543 SanFranciscoZionist
So is bloody everyone from the sixteenth century, to be perfectly honest...
Thomas More was also very fond of burning people alive:
For example, after the case of John Tewkesbury, the London leather-seller found guilty by More of harboring banned books and who was sentenced to be burnt to death at the stake for refusing to recant, More declared: he "burned as there was neuer wretche I wene better worthy."[41] In total, there were six heretics burned at the stake during More's Chancellorship: Thomas Hitton, Thomas Bilney, Richard Bayfield, John Tewkesbery, Thomas Dusgate, and James Bainham.[42] Burning at the stake was the acceptable punishment for unrepentant heretics at the time, even for more moderate people like Erasmus and many Protestants — about thirty burnings had taken place in the century leading to More's elevation to Lord Chancellor.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:07:44am |
So what am I chopped liver? Could someone please tell me what is going on here?
Is this about the Christians who were barred from evangelizing at an Arabic festival?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:08:01am |
re: #547 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
GEORGIUS AGRICOLA BURNED HERETICS?!?!
LOL.
OK, I may have overstated that a teeny bit.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:08:49am |
re: #524 Charles
Psst. Don't tell anybody, but those comments are all planted by Killgore Trout.
?
Did I read that right?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:09:11am |
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:09:25am |
re: #550 Charles
I still loved A Man for All Seasons, though...
"Yes, I would give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake."
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:10:22am |
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:10:36am |
re: #554 LudwigVanQuixote
I am certain that was sarcasm on the part of CJ.
Thanks, Ludwig. That's what I surmised just after posting.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:11:14am |
re: #550 Charles
I'm not going to defend More. I'm just complaining about the 1500s.
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KingKenrod Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:11:27am |
re: #551 LudwigVanQuixote
So what am I chopped liver? Could someone please tell me what is going on here?
Is this about the Christians who were barred from evangelizing at an Arabic festival?
[Link: www.freep.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:11:36am |
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:11:51am |
re: #556 Charles
Come on. You don't actually think I was serious, do you?
Of course nooooot.
(backpedal mode: on)
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:12:42am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:12:49am |
re: #549 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Your lupins or your life!
Wait a tic... blimey, this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought.
| 564 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:12:59am |
More hot Air comments.....
Oh come on Ed, what did he say that was so offensive? We do have minorities in this country and we also have a load of defective ones, which is one explanation (of many) why progressives are in power.moonsbreath on June 24, 2010 at 12:46 PM
...
Probably Kilgore trout in disguise.
Like he/she/it fooled anyone.
I bet Chuckles the Clown is congratulating Kilgore as we speak.Shambhala on June 24, 2010 at 12:54 PM
...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:13:13am |
| 566 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:13:19am |
re: #555 JasonA
I still loved A Man for All Seasons, though...
"Yes, I would give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake."
There's a wonderful one-act called 'The Actor's Nightmare', in which a man finds himself playing More in A Man For All Seasons, and as the curtain goes up, it's announced that 'tonight, the executioner will be playing himself'.
"The executioner will be playing himself? SIR! There's been an error! I think it's FINE if the king wants to marry Anne Boleyn!"
| 567 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:13:22am |
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webevintage Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:13:38am |
re: #492 Killgore Trout
City of Seattle tells contractors: NO WHITES MALES!
The City of Seattle held a pre-bid meeting for contractors in which they were told that they must use female and minority apprentices for city jobs. The jobs in question are being paid for by the Federal Stimulus program.
Slide seven of city’s powerpoint presentation states “Must use under represented groups — No white males w/o WSDOT approval and extensive good faith effort documentation.”
Aggie95 on June 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM
So white males can put in bids there are just conditions to make sure that other groups get a chance.
I guess Aggie95 is incapable of even understanding the words she wrote....
In some ways the country is lucky that these wingnuts are at time such idiots
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:14:10am |
| 570 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:14:32am |
re: #564 Killgore Trout
You have become the boogeyman to those morons.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:15:08am |
Watch out, kids! Read your Cleon Skousen and go to bed, or the Killgore will getcha!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:15:48am |
re: #570 Charles
You have become the boogeyman to those morons.
Yup. There was a comment deleted but probably only because I've been cutting and pasting them over here. I've never seen racist comments being deleted over there before.
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darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:15:58am |
re: #564 Killgore Trout
How did you achieve celebrity status at Hot Air, KT?
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:18:24am |
re: #570 Charles
You have become the boogeyman to those morons.
KT's in yer hed
Writin racist comments...
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Ericus58 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:18:35am |
re: #535 Charles
Thomas More, by the way, is infamous for torturing and putting "heretics" to death.
From Wiki:
"As Ackroyd surmises, since More rejected the rumoured reports of torture as false, 'so helpe me God': "He was not a man falsely to invoke the deity and it can be believed that the heretics whom he detained and interrogated suffered 'neur . . . so mych as a fylyppe on the forhed.'" [39] Ackroyd, however, notes that More "approved of Burning"[40] For example, after the case of John Tewkesbury, the London leather-seller found guilty by More of harboring banned books and who was sentenced to be burnt to death at the stake for refusing to recant, More declared: he "burned as there was neuer wretche I wene better worthy."[41] In total, there were six heretics burned at the stake during More's Chancellorship: Thomas Hitton, Thomas Bilney, Richard Bayfield, John Tewkesbery, Thomas Dusgate, and James Bainham.[42] Burning at the stake was the acceptable punishment for unrepentant heretics at the time, even for more moderate people like Erasmus and many Protestants — about thirty burnings had taken place in the century leading to More's elevation to Lord Chancellor.[43]
Historians have been long divided over More's religious actions as Chancellor. While respected historians such as Ackroyd have taken a relatively tolerant view of More's campaign against Protestantism by placing his actions within the turbulent religious climate of the time, other eminent historians, such as Richard Marius, have been more critical, believing that such persecutions were a betrayal of More's earlier Humanist convictions. As Marius writes in his biography of More, "To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us."
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:18:37am |
Oh wtf-- this 'christian solution' website is so messed up....this is from the front page: (not linking and apologies to all it offends-- i.e., all sane people)
"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government,
it will be one of the most extensive corruption,
indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care,
over so wide a spread of surface.
-- Thomas Jefferson to William T. Bary in 1822 OR What Thomas Jefferson would say about the United Nations"Give me control over a nation's currency and I care not who makes its laws."
--- Jewish financial Sadducee Baron Mayer Amschel Rothschild ---"If I can tell a nation's stories, then I care not who makes it's laws."
--- Jewish media-Scribe or Pharisee editor for The New York Times? ---"The Jews became jealous and recruited some worthless men loitering in the public square,
formed a mob, and set the city in turmoil."
"When the Jews in Thessalonica learned that Paul was preaching the word of God at Berea,
they went there too, agitating the crowds and stirring them up."
--- Judas-bought Herodians agitating against one of the first Christians (Acts 17:5-13) ---"If God were your Father, you would love me, for I am from God."
--- Jesus speaking to the Jesus-deniers whom today follow the Talmud and whom we call Jews (John 8:39-44) ---
Hateful, hateful people!
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:20:38am |
re: #577 iceweasel
You need a shower now.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:20:45am |
re: #577 iceweasel
Uh, wow. Is this a group connected to the Dearborn fanatics, or something different?
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MandyManners Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:22:00am |
In the months since his election, the author of "Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot," who has referred to opponents as "human filth" and who once accused Ronald Reagan of supporting the torture and rape of nuns, has tried to control his bile addiction, at least in public. Speaking last week to the American Constitution Society, he relapsed.
Most of the traditional elements of a Franken rant were employed against Chief Justice John Roberts and conservatives on the Supreme Court. The attack on motives: The "Roberts court has consistently and intentionally protected and promoted the interests of the powerful over those of individual Americans." The silly hyperbole: "What individual rights are so basic and so important that they should be protected above a corporation's right to profit? And their preferred answer is: None. Zero." The sloppy, malicious mixed metaphor: The Roberts court is putting not a "thumb" but "a fist with brass knuckles" on the "scale" of justice. Franken was clearly summoning all his remaining resources of senatorial dignity not to say something like Roberts is a "lying liar who lies along with his lying lackeys for his lying corporate lying masters."
SNIP
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:22:36am |
re: #551 LudwigVanQuixote
So what am I chopped liver? Could someone please tell me what is going on here?
Is this about the Christians who were barred from evangelizing at an Arabic festival?
Sorry cutie-- yes. That link up above to loonwatch summarises a lot.
| 582 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:23:31am |
re: #514 Charles
By the way, "Acts 17" is a famous Dominionist passage. These aren't simple "evangelists," they're hard core Dominionists -- fanatics.
And yes, I have absolutely no hesitation about comparing groups like this to the Taliban. The differences are in degree, not kind.
Exactly right. The only reason they don't stone adulteresses, burn gays, ban science, and whip rape victims is that the secular state would not stand for it. This is the real reason for their constant barrage of anti-government propaganda.
| 583 |
The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:23:51am |
re: #579 Charles
Uh, wow. Is this a group connected to the Dearborn fanatics, or something different?
I think it's different. I started googling acts 17 and it's unbelievable what crawls out.
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Nimed Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:25:01am |
re: #578 JasonA
You need a shower now.
Who knew some good could come out of those quotes? The Lord does work in mysterious ways...
| 585 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:25:42am |
North Korea Claims $65 Trillion From US As War Compensation
[Link: www.rttnews.com...]
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:26:35am |
With the political right collapsing into insanity and superstition, who will stand up to the left?
I'm afraid I know.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:26:40am |
Hmm. Have the nutbars noted and started screaming yet that the police chief's last name is Haddad? Or can they even recognize that as an Arab name without an al- in front of it?
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CuriousLurker Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:27:10am |
re: #577 iceweasel
Time to put on a web condom (proxy server) and go wade through the muck for a couple of minutes...
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KingKenrod Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:27:31am |
re: #585 Mad Al-Jaffee
North Korea Claims $65 Trillion From US As War Compensation
[Link: www.rttnews.com...]
Let's pay them in kimchi. They need that more than they need the money.
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Kragar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:29:34am |
re: #585 Mad Al-Jaffee
North Korea Claims $65 Trillion From US As War Compensation
[Link: www.rttnews.com...]
Yeah, we'll jump right on that.
| 592 |
RadicalModerate Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:30:30am |
re: #587 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmm. Have the nutbars noted and started screaming yet that the police chief's last name is Haddad? Or can they even recognize that as an Arab name without an al- in front of it?
Yeah, they know about it, and WND already has made noise about the fact also.
No cache yet, apologies for the direct link.
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:30:44am |
re: #585 Mad Al-Jaffee
North Korea Claims $65 Trillion From US As War Compensation
[Link: www.rttnews.com...]
Kimmie can try to collect it in person....
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:30:52am |
re: #574 darthstar
How did you achieve celebrity status at Hot Air, KT?
By pointing out their tolerance for racist comments. They changed their comment policy withing 12 hours. They had a thread about it. I should keep that bookmarked.
| 595 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:31:55am |
re: #580 MandyManners
There is almost no comparison to be made between Franken and the likes of Paul and Hayworth.
Seriously?
| 596 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:32:15am |
another Hot Air comment....
Well, who is it that’s using up all of the tax money?LarryG on June 24, 2010 at 1:12 PM
| 597 |
CuriousLurker Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:32:29am |
I think I'll have to focus my Google-Fu powers on some of these groups this weekend. Maybe even start up a database just for them.
| 598 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:33:12am |
Most of you haven't been around long enough but the Koskidz used to accuse me of posting antisemitic diaries on Daily Kos.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:33:17am |
re: #595 Fozzie Bear
There is almost no comparison to be made between Franken and the likes of Paul and Hayworth.
Seriously?
Mandy has the sad face that "Christians" are being "bashed", so she wants a thread on Franken. LOL.
| 600 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:35:10am |
It is nice to see a few commenters at Hot Air calling out Ed for that dishonest post. It's pretty rare to see conservatives being concerned with factual accuracy.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:35:20am |
re: #594 Killgore Trout
By pointing out their tolerance for racist comments. They changed their comment policy withing 12 hours. They had a thread about it. I should keep that bookmarked.
They changed their comment policy for cosmetic purposes only. Nothing changed in the actual comments. They're still overflowing with racism and hate speech.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:35:44am |
re: #598 Killgore Trout
Most of you haven't been around long enough but the Koskidz used to accuse me of posting antisemitic diaries on Daily Kos.
Heh. You're everywhere!
I know people still bitch about the Hot Air comment but there is no way they'd have even STARTED policing their comments but for you. And as the posts show every day, they aren't even cleaning them up at all-- just deleting the ones that get attention. Fuck em, rock on KT!
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Ericus58 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:37:23am |
re: #585 Mad Al-Jaffee
North Korea Claims $65 Trillion From US As War Compensation
[Link: www.rttnews.com...]
You bet, we'll send that right over via Air Mail....
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:38:11am |
re: #589 Nimed
Franken can kiss my shiny ass. Not only was he a tax cheat, but I have a personal beef with him.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:40:53am |
re: #577 iceweasel
Oh wtf-- this 'christian solution' website is so messed up...this is from the front page: (not linking and apologies to all it offends-- i.e., all sane people)
Hateful, hateful people!
Apparently they don't realize that Jesus was a Pharisee.
For those who don't know the history, the very short form is that the Saducees - or Saducim were the wealthy land owners and corrupt priests who were very thoroughly Hellenized in many ways and were collaborators with Rome.
These are the people who did a deal with the Roman occupiers, owned chattel slaves, made fellow Jews into chattel slaves etc... The were interested in protecting their "noble" positions first, and the measly titles given them by the Romans.
They also had a bizarre interpretation for the Law which rejected the Rabbis and the Oral tradition. In many ways the Sadducim were something like certain Republicans. They cared about their business and personal position first and looked down at all others. They had theological ideas as to why they were better than others. These are absolutely the wealthy that Jesus was referring to having a hard time getting into heaven.
In distinction were the Pharisees.
The Pharisees - or Parushim - were those who followed the Oral tradition and legal interpretations of the Rabbis in the Talmud. The Pharisees cared less about who was ruling the land then obedience to the Law. In other words they were not as much a political movement as a social and religious one. They took all of those notions of social justice very seriously. They were not interested in revolt as much as being able to live what they felt was a more righteous life. In time, they did lead a revolt, but that is another story - at first, they saw rule by the Romans as not particularly worse than rule by Hellenized "nobility" (which was not of the royal line) and corrupt priests.
Both Sadducim and Parushim were wide movements with many people involved on many levels. There is in the religious rhetoric, something that sounds much like the Christian Reformation. The Sadducim had their intellectuals and some few with deeply held religious convictions. The Parushim were headed by the Rabbis. and I use a capital R because these were the Rabbis of the Talmud, the sages of Israel. However, for most, it was more a matter of social class and political or financial opportunity, as to which end they fell on.
Short form is that if you have someone who is peeved at corrupt priests and pseudo-nobility destroying the common good and desecrating social justice - like Jesus - you have a Pharisee.
All modern Jews are intellectually descended of the Pharisees. The Sadduccim that were not killed by their Roman masters simply became pagan, or later, Christian.
It is a curious twist that later Christians came to hate the Pharisees so much. They were, in many ways, one of the core influences of the early Christians - even though they had tremendous input form the gnostic apocalyptic Essenes. The way that happened is that years later when the Church was a clearly distinct religion, and it went to evangelize Jews, the Rabbis rejected Christianity, and the early Church confused the Pharisees with their old enemies the Saducees.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:42:10am |
re: #603 Ericus58
You bet, we'll send that right over via Air Mail...
I'm happy to send it. First I need their bank account number and a small fee (or several), and a nice man in Nigeria will handle the transaction for us. /
| 607 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:42:51am |
re: #604 lawhawk
Franken can kiss my shiny ass. Not only was he a tax cheat, but I have a personal beef with him.
Owing back taxes doesn't make you a tax cheat. It makes you someone who owes back taxes. He didn't dissolve the corporation properly, and owed 5794.00 in taxes. I have owed more than that at times. Am I a tax cheat?
And *gasp* he bumped into your wife?!?!? WHAT AN ASSHOLE!
Wow, this is concern trolling at it's finest.
| 608 |
Nimed Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:43:27am |
re: #604 lawhawk
Franken can kiss my shiny ass. Not only was he a tax cheat, but I have a personal beef with him.
"Franken corporation owes California $5,800"
Oh come on. $5,800? Forgive me if I yawn.
| 609 |
McSpiff Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:46:02am |
re: #580 MandyManners
Hey, looks like you're trying to make a false equivalence, unfortunately its invalid because (check all that apply):
[ ] Only one of them is an elected representative
[ ] Those two statements were made several decades apart
[x] Racism and theocracy aren't actually equivalent to being mean.
[ ] Calling for open sedition and civil war is different from complaining about a president or comparing him to historical dictators.
[ ] Health care, banking reform, cash for clunkers and bail outs are not equivalent to slave labor camps.
[ ] Taxes are not equivalent to theft.
| 610 |
The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:46:52am |
re: #597 CuriousLurker
I think I'll have to focus my Google-Fu powers on some of these groups this weekend. Maybe even start up a database just for them.
I think you should. Several of us should!
I had no idea that Acts 17 (the gospel that is) is so crucial to Dominionist wingnut filth. I thought I was fairly conversant in the religious wingnut hate sites too.
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KingKenrod Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:52:19am |
re: #605 LudwigVanQuixote
Apparently they don't realize that Jesus was a Pharisee.
It is a curious twist that later Christians came to hate the Pharisees so much. They were, in many ways, one of the core influences of the early Christians - even though they had tremendous input form the gnostic apocalyptic Essenes. The way that happened is that years later when the Church was a clearly distinct religion, and it went to evangelize Jews, the Rabbis rejected Christianity, and the early Church confused the Pharisees with their old enemies the Saducees.
Thanks for the history lesson, I find this fascinating.
Don't Christians hate the Pharisees because they, as the legal class, were responsible for starting the legal persecution of Jesus that led to his crucifixion? That's my Sunday school understanding.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:54:58am |
re: #610 iceweasel
I think you should. Several of us should!
I had no idea that Acts 17 (the gospel that is) is so crucial to Dominionist wingnut filth. I thought I was fairly conversant in the religious wingnut hate sites too.
I had no idea either. I'll poke around this weekend and see what connections I find and maybe we can compare notes later. My nic should link to a WordPress hosted blog that I set up, so if you ever want to contact me just leave a comment and I'll get back to you via email.
It's really not even going to be a real blog, I just wanted somewhere that I could post stuff to share here while maintaining several layers of obfuscation. ;)
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:58:29am |
re: #514 Charles
By the way, "Acts 17" is a famous Dominionist passage. These aren't simple "evangelists," they're hard core Dominionists -- fanatics.
And yes, I have absolutely no hesitation about comparing groups like this to the Taliban. The differences are in degree, not kind.
Yes the Dominionists are terrible religious Christian extremists.
Yes the Taliban are religious Muslim extremists who are killing American and Canadian troops as we speak.
Compare them by all means.
But when one merges their names together one has stopped comparing them and has outright equated them.
Is it really appropriate to fight the Dominionists by calling them by the name of those with whom we are now at war and who are now killing our troops?
| 614 |
The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:00:38am |
hey-- someone better skilled at intertubes research than I ought to figure out if David Wood is possibly associated with that site "christian solution".
I'm not even sure how I turned it up, but one of Wood's other sites is called 'answering muslims'. I suspect potential crossover.
| 615 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:01:36am |
re: #611 KingKenrod
Thanks for the history lesson, I find this fascinating.
Don't Christians hate the Pharisees because they, as the legal class, were responsible for starting the legal persecution of Jesus that led to his crucifixion? That's my Sunday school understanding.
Yes and an interesting inversion of History. The Pharisees were those hated "hippie agitators" as far as Rome was concerned. The Pharisees would certainly not be angry at someone who spoke out against corrupt priests or landowners, or the abuses of Roman tax collectors etc... Romans would not give a pharisee the time of day and Jesus was hardly the first or only Pharisee the Romans crucified.
Though the Romans were much more creatively sadistic when they murdered Akiva.
On the other hand, if the events went down as reported, Sadducees, had everything in the world to hate about someone who pointed out their corruption. Sadducees would have had the ear of a Roman governor.
What you were taught in Sunday School is 180 degrees out of phase from the realities of the times.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:01:46am |
re: #614 iceweasel
I'm not even sure how I turned it up,
Apart from googling Acts 17 stuff, that is, which kicks over several rocks with lots of nasty stuff crawling out.
| 617 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:02:30am |
re: #613 Spare O'Lake
The only difference between the Taliban and Dominionists is that the Dominionists are stopped by our secular laws from carrying out their agenda. They would be killing lots of people if they could -- they openly talk about death penalties for gays, adulterers, and even children who diss their parents, and they cite Scripture to do it. And they want to keep women as uneducated baby factories, exactly like the Taliban.
There's no real difference, other than their capability for doing harm. The intent is the same.
| 618 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:05:09am |
re: #613 Spare O'Lake
Is it really appropriate to fight the Dominionists by calling them by the name of those with whom we are now at war and who are now killing our troops?
Absolutely.
Their goals are essentially the same: Theocracy, violent revolution, and repression by force.
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:05:20am |
re: #617 Charles
The only difference between the Taliban and Dominionists is that the Dominionists are stopped by our secular laws from carrying out their agenda. They would be killing lots of people if they could -- they openly talk about death penalties for gays, adulterers, and even children who diss their parents, and they cite Scripture to do it. And they want to keep women as uneducated baby factories, exactly like the Taliban.
There's no real difference, other than their capability for doing harm. The intent is the same.
Some of them enact in Africa what they want to being about here. (Uganda re: gay people, Kenya anti-choice stuff)
| 620 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:06:43am |
re: #619 iceweasel
Some of them enact in Africa what they want to being about here. (Uganda re: gay people, Kenya anti-choice stuff)
Exactly.
When Americans support genocidal policies, they damn well better be called out on it.
"Never again" doesn't mean "not here, but over there is cool".... it means NEVER AGAIN.
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KingKenrod Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:06:52am |
re: #615 LudwigVanQuixote
What you were taught in Sunday School is 180 degrees out of phase from the realities of the times.
Misinformed by Sunday School? Say it ain't so!
Thanks for the info.
| 622 |
McSpiff Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:07:18am |
re: #617 Charles
Silly Charles, the Taliban are also Muslim. Makes all the difference to many.
| 623 |
MandyManners Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:07:53am |
re: #609 McSpiff
Hey, looks like you're trying to make a false equivalence, unfortunately its invalid because (check all that apply):
[ ] Only one of them is an elected representative
[ ] Those two statements were made several decades apart
[x] Racism and theocracy aren't actually equivalent to being mean.
[ ] Calling for open sedition and civil war is different from complaining about a president or comparing him to historical dictators.
[ ] Health care, banking reform, cash for clunkers and bail outs are not equivalent to slave labor camps.
[ ] Taxes are not equivalent to theft.
I am? I'm the author? Gee. I've grown testicles.
| 624 |
The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:12:33am |
re: #623 MandyManners
I am? I'm the author? Gee. I've grown testicles.
No, you're the person who was the apologist for these freaks last night. Remember?
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The Left Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:16:23am |
re: #620 Fozzie Bear
Exactly.
When Americans support genocidal policies, they damn well better be called out on it.
"Never again" doesn't mean "not here, but over there is cool"... it means NEVER AGAIN.
Honestly? I was completely disgusted by the New York Times' coverage of the influence of american fundies on the Ugandan legislation. Charles did some posts on their influence (uganda tag)-- Way more informative than the NYT coverage.
Box turtle bulletin is great too-- they were covering it almost exclusively for months before the wingnut fundie conference happened there. "Slouching Towards Kampala" is the name of the round up there (also linked by CJ here in the posts mentioned).
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Bagua Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:04:15pm |
re: #448 lawhawk
Anti-Semitism watch in Germany. Jewish dance group attacked at street festival in Hannover. "Jews out!" among the chants.
Jews out. That was a Nazi slogan for those who aren't quite sure. In Hannover. Germany.
Helen Thomas could not be reached for comment.
At a recent anti-Israel demonstration in Hamburg they were chanting for the Jews to "Raus, Raus Palestine"
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nohokev Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:50:24pm |
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