On the Joe Scarborough show, Republican Minority Whip Eric Cantor feebly tries to defend one of the most cynical GOP political calculations in recent memory: leaving Rep. Joe Barton at the head of the Energy and Commerce Committee, even after Barton demonstrated beyond any doubt that he’s in the pocket of Big Oil.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:35:53am |
Oh but Mr. Cantor, he is the issue.
Does this guy think he's a fucking jedi?
"These are not the oil shills you are looking for... move along"
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:38:24am |
Cantor is speaking as though an apology means anything. He's still on the fucking committee!!!
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Kragar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:41:04am |
Joe Barton's not the issue.
The fact that the GOP is a bunch of whores is the issue.
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Kragar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:41:57am |
re: #1 Fozzie Bear
Oh but Mr. Cantor, he is the issue.
Does this guy think he's a fucking jedi?
"These are not the oil shills you are looking for... move along"
Partisan politics has a strong effect on the weak willed.
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Ojoe Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:42:28am |
This oil addiction of ours is probably our biggest national security vulnerability.
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Lidane Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:47:43am |
re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Joe Barton's not the issue.
The fact that the GOP is a bunch of whores is the issue.
Yeah, this. Barton's an ass, but the main issue isn't him. It's the GOP's blatant whoring for BP that is the issue. Barton's apology was only the most blatant example of how deeply invested the GOP is in Big Oil.
These people are willing to apologize to and make excuses for a company that has destroyed the Gulf. That's just mind-blowing.
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Four More Tears Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:47:46am |
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lgffan Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:47:57am |
re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Joe Barton's not the issue.
The fact that the politicians GOP is are a bunch of whores is the issue.
FIFY
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Ojoe Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:51:11am |
re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Partisan politics has a strong effect on the weak willed.
Deserves bold & italic.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:52:05am |
re: #9 lgffan
Joe Barton's not the issue.
The fact that the politicians
GOP isare a bunch of whores is the issue.FIFY
The GOP's behaving badly, never mind! Look over there! Pay no attention!
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Four More Tears Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:52:17am |
Well, I spent the early afternoon getting mom lawyered up, as per her wishes, and now it's time for me to go see her. See you all later.
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Randall Gross Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:53:01am |
Joe Barton is the issue... this is the same guy who thought he had an anti-global warming gotcha moment when he asked Chu how the oil got to the Arctic. Of course a bible thumper like Barton has little clue when it comes to continental drift and vast geological ages.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:54:35am |
Speaking of Sadducim - meet Joe Cantor. Alouette and SFZ will understand just how completely I hold this sniveling disgrace to my people in contempt when I wrote that.
And yes, there is the bare faced, lying, suck up to a corrupt system, in the hopes of his own gain, fueld by callous avarice and disdain for the people he is supposed to care for, that marks that Sadducim are still alive and well.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:55:30am |
re: #14 LudwigVanQuixote
PIMF
Speaking of Sadducim - meet Eric Cantor. Alouette and SFZ will understand just how completely I hold this sniveling disgrace to my people in contempt when I wrote that.
And yes, there is the bare faced, lying, suck up to a corrupt system, in the hopes of his own gain, fueld by callous avarice and disdain for the people he is supposed to care for, that marks that Sadducim are still alive and well.
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McSpiff Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:55:32am |
re: #9 lgffan
Joe Barton's not the issue.
The fact that the multi-celled organisms
politiciansGOP isare a bunch of whores is the issue.FIFY
See? I can take all meaning out by generalizing too.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:56:41am |
In absolute terms, Joe Barton is not the issue. The real issue is that the majority of the GOP is just as cravenly bought and paid for by the oil companies. The real issue is that the GOP is just as willing to fuck the rest of America as Barton is.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:56:52am |
Geller's fanboys are starting to send hate mail now. Two so far.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:58:07am |
re: #12 JasonA
Well, I spent the early afternoon getting mom lawyered up, as per her wishes, and now it's time for me to go see her. See you all later.
Best wishes, copain...
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:58:54am |
Meanwhile, oil has washed ashore at Pensacola in the largest spill to hit Florida beaches to date. Those were some of the prettiest and best beaches in the country.
Now? Who knows when they will ever recover to their former states.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:00:57am |
re: #16 McSpiff
See? I can take all meaning out by generalizing too.
It was already generalized. "Whores" isn't exactly a specific indictment. Watch out for the partisan sauce...if it gets in your eye, it blurs vision.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:01:40am |
re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Joe Barton's not the issue.
The fact that the GOP is a bunch of whores is the issue.
Fuckin' A, Bubba.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:02:06am |
re: #20 lawhawk
Meanwhile, oil has washed ashore at Pensacola in the largest spill to hit Florida beaches to date. Those were some of the prettiest and best beaches in the country.
Now? Who knows when they will ever recover to their former states.
Indeed. I, for one, appreciate Obama's quick work to settle on such a significant escrow account with BP. We'll need every penny in our fair state.
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Ojoe Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:03:40am |
re: #21 Aceofwhat?
Partisanship is the wide wide door through which arrives untold corruption.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:05:13am |
re: #18 Charles
Geller's fanboys are starting to send hate mail now. Two so far.
I think the Vegas over/under line on homosexual slurs is 3 per email...any takers?
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Slap Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:05:14am |
On-topic......(for once! woo-hoo!)
The word "perversion" is wonderfully appropriate here.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:05:29am |
re: #23 Aceofwhat?
Indeed. I, for one, appreciate Obama's quick work to settle on such a significant escrow account with BP. We'll need every penny in our fair state.
Guys it is going to wash up all up and down the East Coast in a few months. 20 billion will not come close to the true cost of this.
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dogg Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:05:31am |
Barton is a non issue in the bigger picture.
Both parties get $ from big oil, it is how the Congress works.
Obama got 1 million from BP alone.
Barton's poor stated comment was about following the due process of law, which Obama does not do (remember the car bailout)
Check out BP's new platform in Alaska.
Congress is protecting the beautiful North but allowing them to drill 2 miles offshore if they build a fake land mass.
It is not the Dems or the GOP, it is big business owning both parties and trying us, like one party is better than the other.
Stop watching Fox and MSNBC.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:09:07am |
re: #28 dogg
Barton is a non issue in the bigger picture.
Both parties get $ from big oil, it is how the Congress works.
Obama got 1 million from BP alone.Barton's poor stated comment was about following the due process of law, which Obama does not do (remember the car bailout)
Check out BP's new platform in Alaska.
Congress is protecting the beautiful North but allowing them to drill 2 miles offshore if they build a fake land mass.
It is not the Dems or the GOP, it is big business owning both parties and trying us, like one party is better than the other.
Stop watching Fox and MSNBC.
Would monsieur like a nice zinfandel to go with his talking points?
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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:09:49am |
Mr. Cantor needs to understand, along with the rest of his party's leadership, that anger is a double-edged sword. That voters pissed off at Democrats can just as easily direct that anger towards the Republicans who are trying to profit off it. The anti-incumbent sentiment can just as easily pick off "safe" Republicans as it can "safe" Democrats. That an "energized" (read: loony) base will not save their asses if they convince enough independent voters either to support keeping the evil they know in power or simply staying home on election day.
And defending assholes like Barton, dropping trou and grabbing your ankles when Big Oil barks, is the kinda shit that the independents threw the GOP out back in '06 for in the first place.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:10:25am |
re: #28 dogg
Barton is a non issue in the bigger picture.
Both parties get $ from big oil, it is how the Congress works.
Obama got 1 million from BP alone.Barton's poor stated comment was about following the due process of law, which Obama does not do (remember the car bailout)
Check out BP's new platform in Alaska.
Congress is protecting the beautiful North but allowing them to drill 2 miles offshore if they build a fake land mass.
It is not the Dems or the GOP, it is big business owning both parties and trying us, like one party is better than the other.
Stop watching Fox and MSNBC.
Are you insane?
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Spider Mensch Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:10:50am |
re: #27 LudwigVanQuixote
Guys it is going to wash up all up and down the East Coast in a few months. 20 billion will not come close to the true cost of this.
I brought that up probably a month or so ago, under the tagline of "we ain't seen nothing yet..." as far as this slick hitting the gulf stream and all..and was poo poohed by a poster here who's name escapes me..gave me some sass about him/her being a amatuer follower of backward currents and hurricanes and that the oil will not leave the gulf...I'll have to go lgf search my old comments. darned if I can remember who told me the oil will never leave the gulf...i thought at the time the poster might be full of mularkey, but let it go.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:11:20am |
re: #28 dogg
Barton is a non issue in the bigger picture.
Both parties get $ from big oil, it is how the Congress works.
Obama got 1 million from BP alone.Barton's poor stated comment was about following the due process of law, which Obama does not do (remember the car bailout)
Check out BP's new platform in Alaska.
Congress is protecting the beautiful North but allowing them to drill 2 miles offshore if they build a fake land mass.
It is not the Dems or the GOP, it is big business owning both parties and trying us, like one party is better than the other.
Stop watching Fox and MSNBC.
Please explain, in specific terms, with sources, exactly what the fuck you are talking about in reference to the bolded portion.
You do realize that the car companies were perfectly welcome to go under instead of accepting help, don't you? Or are you just ignoring that established fact so you can spout propaganda?
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webevintage Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:12:09am |
re: #6 Ojoe
This oil addiction of ours is probably our biggest national security vulnerability.
Speaking of oil...did anyone watch Gasland on HBO?
I know it is about fraking and Nat. gas, but sheesh the things we are willing to do to a resource like clean ground water for energy is amazing.
And Barton was just repeating the the GOP talking points he was given the day before except he just went a bit too far.
And he did it on camera....
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:12:47am |
re: #28 dogg
Barton's poor stated comment was about following the due process of law, which Obama does not do (remember the car bailout)
Horse poopy. When Obama's admin overreaches, they get spanked just like anyone else.
BP agreed to the escrow account, remember? Pretending that a mutual agreement is something more sinister is creative speculation at best, and dangerously partisan at worst. Either way, it's not helpful.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:13:44am |
re: #29 WindUpBird
Would monsieur like a nice zinfandel to go with his talking points?
Serve him white zin. It's roughly as sophisticated as the post in question;)
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webevintage Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:14:25am |
re: #7 Lidane
These people are willing to apologize to and make excuses for a company that has destroyed the Gulf. That's just mind-blowing.
It is all about the President and the mid-term elections.
The GOP is willing to say anything they can get to stick to the President to delegitimise him no matter how much it may, in the end, hurt them.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:14:32am |
Looks like this up thread has turned into a hot button topic. Think I'll go nurse my head cold, I don't feel up to a volcanic eruption right now. Take care everyone and Keep Laughing!
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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:15:14am |
re: #38 Dragon_Lady
Looks like this up thread has turned into a hot button topic. Think I'll go nurse my head cold, I don't feel up to a volcanic eruption right now. Take care everyone and Keep Laughing!
Hope you get better. Head colds are definitely the worst.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:15:56am |
re: #21 Aceofwhat?
It was already generalized. "Whores" isn't exactly a specific indictment. Watch out for the partisan sauce...if it gets in your eye, it blurs vision.
OK let me be very much more specific. The GOP is so blinded by its corrupt ideology of Big Business good, Government bad (except when government abuses gays or looks in the bedroom or brutalizes brown people) that it actually believes that the Gulf is not a real problem in comparison to the loss of potential oil revenue for their masters.
The GOP are callous whores in the sense that they care for nothing other than their short term bottom line. Just as the whore sells the illusion of intimacy, the GOP sells an illusion of caring for the needs of America. Just as the whore holds her john in utter contempt and thinks nothing of him more than a mrk and a source of income for her pimp, the GOP cares nothing for the catastrophes their failed philosophies have caused again and again, provided that they ca whip up their marks and prevent them from realizing how much they are getting screwed.
Just as the whore lies to her John and the John willingly falls for it, the GOP ies about caring for America and gives them some flag waving jingoism (as a substitute for a flash of tits) and fear and race baiting to distract them from the way they are being led astray by cynical manipulators.
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Summer Seale Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:16:22am |
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:16:37am |
re: #39 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hope you get better. Head colds are definitely the worst.
Thanks, I started down with it yesterday and it has just blossomed over night. Have a care everyone!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:16:43am |
re: #34 webevintage
Speaking of oil...did anyone watch Gasland on HBO?
I know it is about fraking and Nat. gas, but sheesh the things we are willing to do to a resource like clean ground water for energy is amazing.
Yeah. Uncool, to put it mildly.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:16:59am |
re: #28 dogg
Barton is a non issue in the bigger picture.
Both parties get $ from big oil, it is how the Congress works.
Obama got 1 million from BP alone.Barton's poor stated comment was about following the due process of law, which Obama does not do (remember the car bailout)
Check out BP's new platform in Alaska.
Congress is protecting the beautiful North but allowing them to drill 2 miles offshore if they build a fake land mass.
It is not the Dems or the GOP, it is big business owning both parties and trying us, like one party is better than the other.
Stop watching Fox and MSNBC.
Oh gee, look kids, it's one of those "IT'S A CONSPIRACY!" wingnuts. Wonderful plumage.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:19:59am |
re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote
The GOP are callous whores in the sense that they care for nothing other than their short term bottom line. Just as the whore sells the illusion of intimacy, the GOP sells an illusion of caring for the needs of America.
Yeah. And the democrats are selfless warriors on our behalf.
Yawn.
Been to New York lately? I'll pass on monolithic democratic rule, thanks.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:20:24am |
re: #43 Aceofwhat?
Yeah. Uncool, to put it mildly.
Yeah which is why we really need to switch to nuclear, wind and solar ASAP. There are clean solutions.
One of the things that really peeves me about this is that we do not have an actual free market on these issues. If one looks at the actual cost of fossil fuel use it is staggering. There are in existence clearly superior and more affordable technologies that would and should lead to a paradigm shift in much the way that light bulbs replaced candles.
However, we are unwilling to bust the trust that weds us economically and politically to a dying resource that is poisoning us all.
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webevintage Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:20:56am |
re: #43 Aceofwhat?
Yeah. Uncool, to put it mildly.
And it scares the bejesus out of me.
We live on the edge of this shale deposit in AR and we do not own our minerals rights (I know, but that's the way it is around here) and my nightmare is Chesapeake coming in and cutting down the woods behind us and putting a drill there that pounds 24 hours a day.
Ugh, I've seen pictures of what has happened in other areas of the state and it is not pretty. And if they ruin your ground water you are fucked....
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:22:00am |
Classic. Yesterday Pamela Geller posted this:
"I believe I'm fighting for Muslims here," she said. "I have no problem with Muslims."
Today she posts this:
The Muslims are finishing the work of the Mufti al-Husseini, Hitlers ally and mass slaughterer of Jews during the the holocaust. Sixty years later, it's the Muslims who are dragging the rest of the world with them, in their genocidal dreams of annihilating goodness, creativity, production, inventiveness, benevolence, charity, medicine, technology, and all of the gifts of the Jews.
Our goodness makes them ill.
Right. No problem with Muslims at all! They're just all genocidal murderers who want to destroy everything good in the world.
Who would ever get the idea she has a problem with Muslims?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:22:05am |
re: #45 Aceofwhat?
Yeah. And the democrats are selfless warriors on our behalf.
Yawn.
Been to New York lately? I'll pass on monolithic democratic rule, thanks.
NO. The only one partisan here is you. Even if the Dems regularly stuck metal straws into the heads of babies and slurped out their little brains, it would not take one thing away from what was said about the sins of the GOP. Not only do two wrongs not make a right, but one wrong on one side does not cancell out the wrongs of the other side.
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researchok Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:24:09am |
re: #48 Charles
Classic. Yesterday Pamela Geller posted this:
Right. No problem with Muslims at all! They're just all genocidal murderers who want to destroy everything good in the world.
Who would ever get the idea she has a problem with Muslims?
Schizo
Manic
BPD
Pick one
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webevintage Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:24:43am |
re: #49 LudwigVanQuixote
NO. The only one partisan here is you. Even if the Dems regularly stuck metal straws into the heads of babies and slurped out their little brains, it would not take one thing away from what was said about the sins of the GOP. Not only do two wrongs not make a right, but one wrong on one side does not cancell out the wrongs of the other side.
THIS.
"But mommmmmm they did it toooooooo...."
It is a argument that did not work when we were kids and it does not work now.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:24:57am |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:25:59am |
re: #51 webevintage
THIS.
"But mommm they did it tooo..."
It is a argument that did not work when we were kids and it does not work now.
Damn straight.
Also, I have no particular love of the Dems, but their sins - particularly on this issue are NOTHING like those of the GOP.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:26:58am |
re: #46 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah which is why we really need to switch to nuclear, wind and solar ASAP. There are clean solutions.
One of the things that really peeves me about this is that we do not have an actual free market on these issues. If one looks at the actual cost of fossil fuel use it is staggering. There are in existence clearly superior and more affordable technologies that would and should lead to a paradigm shift in much the way that light bulbs replaced candles.
However, we are unwilling to bust the trust that weds us economically and politically to a dying resource that is poisoning us all.
We're going there, albeit too slowly for your and my tastes. Word on the street is that JEA, the major utility in Jacksonville, is poised to make some big investments in a local nuke plant. We just need more...
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webevintage Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:27:44am |
OT:
The SC has upheld the disclosure of petition signers:
""I doubt whether signing a petition that has the effect of suspending a law fits within 'the freedom of speech' at all. Our Nation’s longstanding traditions of legislating and voting in public refute the claim that the First Amendment accords a right to anonymity in the performance of an act with governmental effect," Scalia wrote. He also suggested that the petition signers demanding anonymity need, in essence, to grow up.
"Requiring people to stand up in public for their political acts fosters civic courage, without which democracy is doomed. For my part, I do not look forwardto a society which, thanks to the Supreme Court, campaigns anonymously...and even exercises the direct democracy of initiative and referendum hidden from public scrutiny and protected from the accountability of criticism. This does not resemble the Home of the Brave," Scalia wrote."
[Link: www.arktimes.com...]
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Spider Mensch Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:29:02am |
re: #51 webevintage
THIS.
"But mommm they did it tooo..."
It is a argument that did not work when we were kids and it does not work now.
not quite the same, but this response used to piss my mother off royally..
Mom: if, John and Louie jumped off the Empire State building, would you jump too??
me: probably...yeah..but not if it was raining..i wouldn't want to get wet or anything...>>>>(runs out of the room fast...)
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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:29:42am |
re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote
Ludwig, I hate to be a buzz-kill, but the Democrats are every bit the whores the Republicans are these days, they just turn tricks in a different part of town. Hell, sometimes they work for the same pimps as the Republicans, spouting one line of bullshit to their Johns while writing what their pimps want into the bills passed in one house or the other.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:30:37am |
re: #49 LudwigVanQuixote
NO. The only one partisan here is you. Even if the Dems regularly stuck metal straws into the heads of babies and slurped out their little brains, it would not take one thing away from what was said about the sins of the GOP. Not only do two wrongs not make a right, but one wrong on one side does not cancell out the wrongs of the other side.
I never said that it did. I am saying that generic, generalized whinypants complaints about whores ≠ "sins of the GOP".
This isn't a "the other side is bad too" statement on my part. This is my disdain for complaints in which one party can be substituted for another with no reduction of truth.
Yawn.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:31:14am |
With Bush and Cheney, the oil industry had two of its best friends at the top with receptive ears.
With Obama and Biden they do not have enemies in any sense (they also take money from oil companies), but they are not as beholden to the oil companies' interests as their predecessors.
But that in itself is enough to upset Joe Barton and cause him to feel the need to apologize to oil companies for their actions.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:31:31am |
re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ludwig, I hate to be a buzz-kill, but the Democrats are every bit the whores the Republicans are these days, they just turn tricks in a different part of town. Hell, sometimes they work for the same pimps as the Republicans, spouting one line of bullshit to their Johns while writing what their pimps want into the bills passed in one house or the other.
I completely agree.
When we have threads commenting on the whorish behavior of Dems, I am happy to bash them as well for their many sins. However, when it comes to sucking the cock of big oil or big business, while shitting on the environment and those not blessed to be wealthy, that is squarely the GOP's province.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:31:36am |
There's a country song about this somewhere--a prison warden lets a prisoner be in charge of the tracking hound, and then when that prisoner escapes he finds the dog has been turned by the prisoner.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:31:54am |
re: #51 webevintage
THIS.
"But mommm they did it tooo..."
It is a argument that did not work when we were kids and it does not work now.
Good thing it's not the argument at hand now, then.
Specificity is related to brevity. It is a necessary component of wit.
You're welcome.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:32:43am |
re: #60 LudwigVanQuixote
I completely agree.
When we have threads commenting on the whorish behavior of Dems, I am happy to bash them as well for their many sins. However, when it comes to sucking the cock of big oil or big business, while shitting on the environment and those not blessed to be wealthy, that is squarely the GOP's province.
And you'll find me bashing republican sins here. Except that i'm specific about it. Just like I attempt to be when bashing democrat sins.
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ryannon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:32:48am |
re: #20 lawhawk
Meanwhile, oil has washed ashore at Pensacola in the largest spill to hit Florida beaches to date. Those were some of the prettiest and best beaches in the country.
Now? Who knows when they will ever recover to their former states.
From what I've learned, oil on beaches is the worst: if not immediately gathered from the surface, it spreads out and works its way down into the sand, basically forever. Out of sight is not out of mind: it tends to squish its way back up when you walk or sit on what looks like an apparently clean patch of beach.
I hope they've got people out there scraping it up as soon as possible.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:32:55am |
re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ludwig, I hate to be a buzz-kill, but the Democrats are every bit the whores the Republicans are these days, they just turn tricks in a different part of town. Hell, sometimes they work for the same pimps as the Republicans, spouting one line of bullshit to their Johns while writing what their pimps want into the bills passed in one house or the other.
You mean like this...
"Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses."
(Ultra right wing source - Newsweek)
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:33:05am |
re: #62 Aceofwhat?
Good thing it's not the argument at hand now, then.
Specificity is related to brevity. It is a necessary component of wit.
You're welcome.
If you are thanking him for slam dunking you for a silly post, then you should. You do present a golden opportunity at times ;)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:34:01am |
re: #61 EmmmieG
There's a country song about this somewhere--a prison warden lets a prisoner be in charge of the tracking hound, and then when that prisoner escapes he finds the dog has been turned by the prisoner.
Oh G-d I actually know it - something about blue tics...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:34:20am |
re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ludwig, I hate to be a buzz-kill, but the Democrats are every bit the whores the Republicans are these days, they just turn tricks in a different part of town. Hell, sometimes they work for the same pimps as the Republicans, spouting one line of bullshit to their Johns while writing what their pimps want into the bills passed in one house or the other.
Webvintage - this.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:34:22am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:34:29am |
re: #68 LudwigVanQuixote
Oh G-d I actually know it - something about blue tics...
Yep. That's the one.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:34:48am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:35:56am |
We're not even at 100 comments and people want to turn the topic to the democrats. Hey, has anyone posted anything about Franken in this thread yet?
Wah, wah! Charles, whyfore kaint we have a thread on Code Pink, huh?
Bill Ayers! Jeremiah Wright! Ground Zero Mosque! waaaaah...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:36:35am |
re: #66 LudwigVanQuixote
If you are thanking him for slam dunking you for a silly post, then you should. You do present a golden opportunity at times ;)
Heh. Jokes at my expense are welcomed and appreciated.
Although if you'll reread, you'll see that i was preemptively offering a welcome for the upcoming thanks. Illumination is a gift that I liberally and freely spread...
(ok, i laid it on a little thick there at the end, even for me...)
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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:36:36am |
re: #60 LudwigVanQuixote
I completely agree.
When we have threads commenting on the whorish behavior of Dems, I am happy to bash them as well for their many sins. However, when it comes to sucking the cock of big oil or big business, while shitting on the environment and those not blessed to be wealthy, that is squarely the GOP's province.
As I would contend that playing up the need for "alternative" or "renewable" energy, but then campaigning against it in their own backyards, is the province solely of Democrats. There's shilling, and then there's hypocrisy.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:37:19am |
re: #73 iceweasel
We're not even at 100 comments and people want to turn the topic to the democrats.
We do?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:37:28am |
re: #75 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
As I would contend that playing up the need for "alternative" or "renewable" energy, but then campaigning against it in their own backyards, is the province solely of Democrats. There's shilling, and then there's hypocrisy.
Well said. I have no love of NIMBY Dems.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:38:05am |
re: #45 Aceofwhat?
Yeah. And the democrats are selfless warriors on our behalf.
Yawn.
Been to New York lately? I'll pass on monolithic democratic rule, thanks.
And wtf is that supposed to mean about NYC?
PS. Republican mayors. For over a decade now.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:38:51am |
re: #72 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, but irrelevant.
Not at all. Full agreement with Target's post requires a more specific indictment of the sins of the GOP. As they are legion, surely this won't be too daunting...?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:38:56am |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:39:21am |
re: #78 iceweasel
And wtf is that supposed to mean about NYC?
PS. Republican mayors. For over a decade now.
New York is a state.
New York City is a city.
Which did I say?
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Lidane Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:39:22am |
re: #60 LudwigVanQuixote
I completely agree.
When we have threads commenting on the whorish behavior of Dems, I am happy to bash them as well for their many sins. However, when it comes to sucking the cock of big oil or big business, while shitting on the environment and those not blessed to be wealthy, that is squarely the GOP's province.
Agreed.
I don't know anyone who thinks the Dems are as pure as the driven snow. They absolutely have their whorish tendencies as well. Any honest person would admit that.
HOWEVER, we're talking about Joe Barton and the rest of the GOP bending over and grabbing their ankles for BP while the Gulf has been destroyed, and they're doing it just to try and score mid-term election points. It's craven and cowardly, and unbelievably cynical, and it shows just how deeply they're controlled by Big Oil. It's also completely galling to all but the most blinkered partisans.
Even here in Texas, Barton's apology was harshly received. If the GOP are hoping to turn this disaster into a weakness for Obama, they're not going to help themselves by sucking up to the company that has destroyed an entire ecosystem, and the jobs and lives of who knows how many people in the process.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:39:39am |
re: #79 Aceofwhat?
Not at all. Full agreement with Target's post requires a more specific indictment of the sins of the GOP. As they are legion, surely this won't be too daunting...?
So I was more specific, and you kvetched and brought up the Dems as a diversion.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:40:45am |
re: #80 LudwigVanQuixote
You did try.
You misunderstand. I do not wish to change the subject. I wish to highlight instances where a generic indictment is masquerading as erudition.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:41:21am |
re: #81 Aceofwhat?
New York is a state.
New York City is a city.
Which did I say?
This: Been to New York lately? I'll pass on monolithic democratic rule, thanks
Fail.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:41:39am |
re: #83 LudwigVanQuixote
So I was more specific, and you kvetched and brought up the Dems as a diversion.
You were not more specific, unfortunately. You did show your work, though, so i'm happy to give you half-credit;)
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lawhawk Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:42:25am |
re: #78 iceweasel
New York State perhaps - which has had Democrats in charge of the Assembly for pretty much the last 50 years. The Senate is now in Democrat hands, and the Governor has been a Democrat since Pataki was booted in 2006. The state budget has been an absolute disaster the last couple of years - and the Democrats solution in Albany has been to increase spending and raise taxes. There hasn't been a real serious effort to cut spending - and they are again hoping for a bailout in the form of additional federal transfer payments.
NYC has had Bloomberg, who was originally a GOP, but turned Independent (but is far closer to D than R these days). Before that? Rudy was a GOPer. But local politics in the City are largely D. The City Council is overwhelmingly D.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:42:45am |
re: #85 iceweasel
This: Been to New York lately? I'll pass on monolithic democratic rule, thanks
Fail.
New York is a state.
New York CITY is a city.
Get hooked on phonics before you fail me. I wrote what i said i wrote; don't put words in my mouth in an attempt to rescue a flatlining accusation.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:43:40am |
re: #82 Lidane
Agreed.
I don't know anyone who thinks the Dems are as pure as the driven snow. They absolutely have their whorish tendencies as well. Any honest person would admit that.
HOWEVER, we're talking about Joe Barton and the rest of the GOP bending over and grabbing their ankles for BP while the Gulf has been destroyed, and they're doing it just to try and score mid-term election points. It's craven and cowardly, and unbelievably cynical, and it shows just how deeply they're controlled by Big Oil. It's also completely galling to all but the most blinkered partisans.
Even here in Texas, Barton's apology was harshly received. If the GOP are hoping to turn this disaster into a weakness for Obama, they're not going to help themselves by sucking up to the company that has destroyed an entire ecosystem, and the jobs and lives of who knows how many people in the process.
A specific indictment, and one with which i quite agree.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:45:25am |
re: #75 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
As I would contend that playing up the need for "alternative" or "renewable" energy, but then campaigning against it in their own backyards, is the province solely of Democrats. There's shilling, and then there's hypocrisy.
I agree, but we need not turn this into a thread about Democrat shortcomings. I only wished to highlight a few accusations which could have been made about either party, which makes them less than helpful.
Lidane's post was spot on, IMHO.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:47:17am |
re: #87 lawhawk
So neither the city nor the state is accurately described as 'monolithic democratic rule'. Thanks for the confirmation.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:48:42am |
re: #91 iceweasel
So neither the city nor the state is accurately described as 'monolithic democratic rule'. Thanks for the confirmation.
4 straight years of democratic legislature and governors at the state level.
So...like i said.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:49:26am |
re: #90 Aceofwhat?
I agree, but we need not turn this into a thread about Democrat shortcomings. I only wished to highlight a few accusations which could have been made about either party, which makes them less than helpful.
Lidane's post was spot on, IMHO.
Agreed. I wasn't looking to turn this into a "Dem v. Rep" shouting match, just trying to keep folks on an even keel. As I said, both parties are whores, they're simply turning tricks in different parts of town. That doesn't in any way make the GOP's actions concerning Barton any less asinine or deplorable. This is the kinda shit that can win elections for the opposition, the kinda soundbyte that launches a thousand campaign ads. The man has done more damage to his party than he or they can fathom right now.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:52:20am |
re: #93 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Agreed. I wasn't looking to turn this into a "Dem v. Rep" shouting match, just trying to keep folks on an even keel. As I said, both parties are whores, they're simply turning tricks in different parts of town. That doesn't in any way make the GOP's actions concerning Barton any less asinine or deplorable. This is the kinda shit that can win elections for the opposition, the kinda soundbyte that launches a thousand campaign ads. The man has done more damage to his party than he or they can fathom right now.
Well said. Neither of us were trying to turn this into a "Dem v. Rep" shouting match, despite some accusations to the contrary.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:12:05pm |
Apparently, when the GOP unquestionably does something horrific, it's time to talk about the DNC.
Seriously, people, there is no fucking equivalence on this issue, because this disaster is unprecedented.
Nobody is saying that Democrats are lily white. But on this issue, there is no comparison.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:24:43pm |
re: #95 Fozzie Bear
Apparently, when the GOP unquestionably does something horrific, it's time to talk about the DNC.
Seriously, people, there is no fucking equivalence on this issue, because this disaster is unprecedented.
Nobody is saying that Democrats are lily white. But on this issue, there is no comparison.
Seriously, people, no one was making an equivalence on this issue. Of course, not everyone stuck to this issue. Why you or anyone else believes my disdain for comments like "teh GOP iz horezz1!!1" is "equivalence" is beyond me, but it certainly invites impolite speculation...
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:25:39pm |
re: #60 LudwigVanQuixote
I completely agree.
When we have threads commenting on the whorish behavior of Dems, I am happy to bash them as well for their many sins. However, when it comes to sucking the cock of big oil or big business, while shitting on the environment and those not blessed to be wealthy, that is squarely the GOP's province.
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