1 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:57:27pm |
One of the ad link which appears embedded in the video is for an outfit called AmericanCrossroadsDOTorg. Never heard of them, bit the leadership team are all RNC and GWB administration refugees.
2 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:57:50pm |
You wouldn't believe the kind of snooty looks a fellow can get these days just for showing how much he loves his country.
3 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 4:59:46pm |
I am going to watch a TV show that does not feature politicians. TTFN
6 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:12:11pm |
Well, one small benefit of living in NYC is a never ending supply of tourists to abuse...
7 | darthstar Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:19:03pm |
Giants scored in the bottom of the 1st...let's hope the game continues this way.
8 | darthstar Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:23:26pm |
Well, Sarah Palin isn't the only person who's had to move from huge 3,000 seat auditoriums to vast 800 seat ones...President Obama has had to do a change of venue too!
he rally had been scheduled to take place on the 39,000 sq ft. McCarthy Quad. But yesterday, Organizing for America sent out a mass email announcing the moving of the event to the much larger, 69,000 sq ft Alumni Park.
I contacted the events department at USC for more information and was advised that while the actual event was moved to Alumni Park, they are planning on setting up big screens in the original venue, the adjacent 39,000 sq ft McCarthy Quad and packing in the folks there as well!
Then again, Sarah's former running mate did draw over 150 people in Vermont this week, so I can see why Democrats would be nervous about this change in venue.
9 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:24:22pm |
re: #5 brookly red
ehh, the onion has done better.
Why do you say that?
Are you questioning Charles choice of video to post on his blog? I thought it was hilarious, don't you have a sense of humor?
10 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:25:43pm |
re: #9 Reginald Perrin
Why do you say that?
Are you questioning Charles choice of video to post on his blog? I thought it was hilarious, don't you have a sense of humor?
well they have been better... I have a great sense of humor & it gets me in trouble all the time.
11 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:26:26pm |
re: #8 darthstar
Well, Sarah Palin isn't the only person who's had to move from huge 3,000 seat auditoriums to vast 800 seat ones...President Obama has had to do a change of venue too!
Then again, Sarah's former running mate did draw over 150 people in Vermont this week, so I can see why Democrats would be nervous about this change in venue.
//Hey I'd like to see Joe Biden draw crowds of over 150 people!
12 | darthstar Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:27:38pm |
re: #10 brookly red
well they have been better... I have a great sense of humor & it gets me in trouble all the time.
Agreed...I'd put this one at about a six or seven on the Onion-meter...though the guy's line about running over a kid in Italy and shouting "mea culpa!" as he drove away was a sign of American politeness was pretty funny.
13 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:31:41pm |
re: #10 brookly red
What was it specifically about the video that you did not find funny? From reading a few of your comments it's obvious you have an irony deficient diet.
I bet you have your panties in a wad because those sneaky buggers at the Onion conned you into watching the video. You thought you were going to be watching a video taking shots at Obama.
14 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:32:17pm |
re: #13 Reginald Perrin
What was it specifically about the video that you did not find funny? From reading a few of your comments it's obvious you have an irony deficient diet.
I bet you have your panties in a wad because those sneaky buggers at the Onion conned you into watching the video. You thought you were going to be watching a video taking shots at Obama.
piss off asshole.
16 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:34:12pm |
re: #12 darthstar
To a person who has spent his entire life living 5 miles on the other side of the American border, it is hilarious.
17 | Nervous Norvous Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:40:47pm |
re: #12 darthstar
Agreed...I'd put this one at about a six or seven on the Onion-meter...though the guy's line about running over a kid in Italy and shouting "mea culpa!" as he drove away was a sign of American politeness was pretty funny.
It was an old joke (the ugly American) renewed.
Americans, at least some, being totally clueless that not everyone thinks they're teh awesum!
18 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:43:19pm |
re: #17 PT Barnum
It was an old joke (the ugly American) renewed.
Americans, at least some, being totally clueless that not everyone thinks they're teh awesum!
As someone who lives in a major tourist destination area, I would like to politely comment that Europeans are not, actually, nearly as polite or culturally adaptable as they would like to believe.
19 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:44:02pm |
re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist
As someone who lives in a major tourist destination area, I would like to politely comment that Europeans are not, actually, nearly as polite or culturally adaptable as they would like to believe.
yah think?
21 | Nervous Norvous Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:47:10pm |
re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist
As someone who lives in a major tourist destination area, I would like to politely comment that Europeans are not, actually, nearly as polite or culturally adaptable as they would like to believe.
Don't surprise me at all. I think most people are like that. I think it takes a great deal of travel and exposure to lots of other cultures to become less ethnocentric and willing to go with the flow.
Andrew Zimmern is a model for this, as he seems to be able to eat damn near anything no matter how disgusting and be very gracious with his guests.
22 | Nervous Norvous Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:47:49pm |
re: #20 talon_262
Temper, temper...
He's working on taking away Walter's Mr. Crankypants nickname for himself.
23 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:48:07pm |
24 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:49:39pm |
re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist
As someone who lives in a major tourist destination area, I would like to politely comment that Europeans are not, actually, nearly as polite or culturally adaptable as they would like to believe.
Amen!
26 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:51:38pm |
re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist
I think the Onion video was so over the top in ugliness, that it skewered some foreigners' exaggerated vision of the Ugly American.
27 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:55:41pm |
re: #26 Reginald Perrin
I think the Onion video was so over the top in ugliness, that it skewered some foreigners' exaggerated vision of the Ugly American.
My personal favorite American tourist EVER was the guy in line at the Crown Jewels exhibit at the Tower of London who was trying to get the tour guide to give him an estimate value for the collection.
Guide kept evading the question, and babbling about the historical value of the stuff.
Eh, whatever. Aside from a couple real treasures like the Black Prince's ruby, and the Koh-i-Noor, the stuff is mostly just bulk diamonds, set and reset over the years, and almost nothing goes back before the eighteenth century.
This guy was great. Bermudas and a short-sleeve button-up. The guide wanted to kill him.
28 | tradewind Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:57:52pm |
You'd have thought this was from The Onion, but nooo.
[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
This could have been titled ' When Democrats Attack', but the party affiliation was somehow.....ignored.
Or something.
29 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:58:01pm |
re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist
The perfect added touch, smoking a cigar.
30 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 5:58:52pm |
re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist
As someone who lives in a major tourist destination area, I would like to politely comment that Europeans are not, actually, nearly as polite or culturally adaptable as they would like to believe.
European Anti Americanism is as European, as, well, cheese.
There are a lot of reasons this is so, but for any European (and for that matter, Canadian) politician to ;make his bones', an anti American period is mandatory.
Europeans have a love/hate relationship with Americans.
'We love you because you came from Europe- you are our cousins. We hate you because we are not you'.
31 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:00:02pm |
re: #12 darthstar
Agreed...I'd put this one at about a six or seven on the Onion-meter...though the guy's line about running over a kid in Italy and shouting "mea culpa!" as he drove away was a sign of American politeness was pretty funny.
Well, the Onion can't always be this funny.
32 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:02:16pm |
re: #30 researchok
European Anti Americanism is as European, as, well, cheese.
There are a lot of reasons this is so, but for any European (and for that matter, Canadian) politician to ;make his bones', an anti American period is mandatory.
Europeans have a love/hate relationship with Americans.
'We love you because you came from Europe- you are our cousins. We hate you because we are not you'.
We expect to make sense to each other. We are annoyed when we don't.
Also, my personal experience with many Europeans, as a graduate student in England, was that most of the Americans they knew were very eager to agree with dismissiveness toward American culture, and you could get a rep as a total bitch for insisting, however politely, that American culture is fine. It just wasn't an attitude they were used to.
33 | darthstar Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:02:30pm |
re: #31 palomino
Well, the Onion can't always be this funny.
or accurate...sheesh...talk about foresight.
34 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:03:04pm |
re: #31 palomino
Well, the Onion can't always be this funny.
My all-time favorite Onion piece is the one about the man who was held for years at the zoo because they were convinced he was a giraffe.
35 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:04:18pm |
re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist
My all-time favorite Onion piece is the one about the man who was held for years at the zoo because they were convinced he was a giraffe.
Here we go: DNA Evidence Frees Man From Zoo.
36 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:04:31pm |
re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist
We expect to make sense to each other. We are annoyed when we don't.
Also, my personal experience with many Europeans, as a graduate student in England, was that most of the Americans they knew were very eager to agree with dismissiveness toward American culture, and you could get a rep as a total bitch for insisting, however politely, that American culture is fine. It just wasn't an attitude they were used to.
they may not like our culture, but when they need it they like our military... I hate to be the one to bring this point up.
37 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:04:51pm |
re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist
When I was in Europe, I found people thought the US and American stuff was awesome. This was a hell of a long time ago, though.
I think people don't really realize just how much damage was done to the reputation of America during the Bush years.
38 | deranged cat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:05:30pm |
it's true. americans are pretty much scoffed at all around the world.
and to them i say "YEA? and what national store can you get an $80 cappuccino machine for $33 minus a $10 off anything Kohls gift card that came in the mail for a grand total of $23 after tax?! SUCK IT!"
ps. fun fact. when i was studying in china, this little girl looked at me very strangely (i'm chinese) stating "how can you be american? you aren't white..you look chinese.. but your chinese is awful! i don't understand you."
39 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:05:32pm |
re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist
I bet he had dark colored sandals & white socks on too!
40 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:05:33pm |
re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist
Here we go: DNA Evidence Frees Man From Zoo.
I also like Cheney Dunk Tank Raises $800 Million for the Nation.
41 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:05:47pm |
re: #36 brookly red
they may not like our culture, but when they need it they like our military... I hate to be the one to bring this point up.
You do? Why?
42 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:05:50pm |
re: #36 brookly red
they may not like our culture, but when they need it they like our military... I hate to be the one to bring this point up.
Can you cite a time that Europe needed our military?
Who has Europe fought?
43 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:06:02pm |
re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist
The Brits are odd. Even with American culture there's still a strange love/hate thing. They really do idolize much of American culture in a strange way.
44 | Ojoe Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:06:32pm |
Super excellent Towercam view.
Look now, it will change quickly.
45 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:06:43pm |
re: #37 Obdicut
When I was in Europe, I found people thought the US and American stuff was awesome. This was a hell of a long time ago, though.
I think people don't really realize just how much damage was done to the reputation of America during the Bush years.
My experience was before Bush. It wasn't hostility, it was just sort of an intellectual "Eh, Americans aren't much. Nikulturni, no?" attitude. Thomas Jefferson encountered the same in his day.
46 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:07:04pm |
re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist
I met a lot of rock-and-roll and blues fans.
47 | darthstar Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:07:12pm |
Heh...more O'Donnell stupidity from the debate:
MODERATOR: Give me a name, Christine, of someone in the U.S. Senate, across the aisle that you’re comfortable working with.O’DONNELL: [Pause] Well, she’s not a senator any more, but I would definitely have to say Hillary Clinton. [...]
COONS: One of the real risks as we go forward, is that if we elect someone who literally cannot name a single currently serving senator in my party with whom she would work –
O’DONNELL: Senator Lieberman!
COONS: Someone who has no experience crossing the biparistan divide.
48 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:07:45pm |
re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist
You do? Why?
cause it was before my time & I an not a military person... I thought it would be best left for some one with first hand experience.
49 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:07:49pm |
re: #44 Ojoe
Pinking up the sky here.
BBIAB.
Must watch!
50 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:07:53pm |
51 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:08:05pm |
re: #43 Killgore Trout
He. The British were the biggest anti-Americans I encountered in Europe.
I lived in England for a year. Went to school there, age seventeen.
One English dude was going on and on to me about the failures of American culture. I wasn't really paying all that much attention-- the English do this on occasion. At the end of the rant, he said,
"So tell me, Yank, what do Americans think of the British?"
And I replied, unthinkingly,
"We don't."
'tis true.
52 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:08:14pm |
53 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:08:25pm |
re: #50 Killgore Trout
WWII. Cold War.
What do i win?
I don't think Germany really wanted our military in Europe during that time, though.
54 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:08:30pm |
re: #39 Floral Giraffe
I bet he had dark colored sandals & white socks on too!
Entirely possible. He was certainly wearing the outfit. Other than that he was cheerful, and polite as hell, and photographing everything in the vicinity--but he sure wanted to know how much that roomful of diamonds was worth!
(When I lived in London I LOVED American tourists. They were always thrilled to find someone from home who wasn't jet-lagged.)
55 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:08:46pm |
56 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:09:27pm |
57 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:10:33pm |
re: #53 Obdicut
I don't think Germany really wanted our military in Europe during that time, though.
Everybody else seemed happy about it (aside from a few Italians).
58 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:11:15pm |
re: #43 Killgore Trout
The Brits are odd. Even with American culture there's still a strange love/hate thing. They really do idolize much of American culture in a strange way.
There's the language. There's the pieces of shared history. There's, I swear, a sort of simmering resentment that we didn't sit still long enough to become part of the Commonwealth.
I once, unintentionally, rather unnerved an older British man who heard my accent and said, jovially, "Ah! A colonist!"
I said, (DAMNIT), "Well, yes, but not one of yours. California! Viva Espana!"
That was the wrong thing to say.
We have a ...complicated...relationship.
59 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:11:22pm |
re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist
I also like Cheney Dunk Tank Raises $800 Million for the Nation.
I'd be right there with at least $20....
I just hope Darth Cheney's cybernetics don't shortcircut when exposed to water.
60 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:11:50pm |
re: #57 Killgore Trout
Everybody else seemed happy about it (aside from a few Italians).
speaking of speaking German, where is Cato?
61 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:11:53pm |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
There's the language. There's the pieces of shared history. There's, I swear, a sort of simmering resentment that we didn't sit still long enough to become part of the Commonwealth.
I once, unintentionally, rather unnerved an older British man who heard my accent and said, jovially, "Ah! A colonist!"
I said, (DAMNIT), "Well, yes, but not one of yours. California! Viva Espana!"
That was the wrong thing to say.
We have a ...complicated...relationship.
heh.
62 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:12:23pm |
re: #36 brookly red
they may not like our culture, but when they need it they like our military... I hate to be the one to bring this point up.
Just as we liked the French military during the American Revolution.
And actually they do like our culture, at least our pop culture (which really is our primary culture). One reason Hollywood blockbusters usually make money is the huge European audiences who often buy more tix per capita than Americans. Same is largely true with American music and TV. And they're starting to get almost as fat as Americans, in part because they love our fast food--everything from MickeyDs to Taco Bell to KFC, even Pizza Hut.
63 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:12:27pm |
re: #51 Obdicut
He. The British were the biggest anti-Americans I encountered in Europe.
I lived in England for a year. Went to school there, age seventeen.
One English dude was going on and on to me about the failures of American culture. I wasn't really paying all that much attention-- the English do this on occasion. At the end of the rant, he said,
"So tell me, Yank, what do Americans think of the British?"
And I replied, unthinkingly,
"We don't."
'tis true.
We do to think of the British!
They have a minestry of silly walks, and their town women's guild re-enact Pearl Harbor every so often!
64 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:13:06pm |
re: #60 brookly red
speaking of speaking German, where is Cato?
I think he had a series of flounces. One of them eventually stuck.
65 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:13:08pm |
re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist
We expect to make sense to each other. We are annoyed when we don't.
Also, my personal experience with many Europeans, as a graduate student in England, was that most of the Americans they knew were very eager to agree with dismissiveness toward American culture, and you could get a rep as a total bitch for insisting, however politely, that American culture is fine. It just wasn't an attitude they were used to.
All true.
I grew up in the UK and I can tell you, the schizophrenia is evident.
The litany of complaints and distaste directed at Americans was biblical in proportion. By the same token, ask any kid if he wanted to live in America and the answer was almost universally an enthusiastic, 'Yes'.
See this, for my take on the differences are between Europeans and Americans.
It was written a lifetime ago...
66 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:13:17pm |
re: #60 brookly red
speaking of speaking German, where is Cato?
He got banned... it was sort of a big thing...
67 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:14:25pm |
re: #65 researchok
All true.
I grew up in the UK and I can tell you, the schizophrenia is evident.
The litany of complaints and distaste directed at Americans was biblical in proportion. By the same token, ask any kid if he wanted to live in America and the answer was almost universally an enthusiastic, 'Yes'.
See this, for my take on the differences are between Europeans and Americans.
It was written a lifetime ago...
"America is the land of gangsters and cowboys and they have 32 flavors of ice cream!"
That's how Terry Pratchett put it in God Omens I think....
68 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:14:31pm |
69 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:16:26pm |
re: #57 Killgore Trout
Everybody else seemed happy about it (aside from a few Italians).
In that case, we should really also talk about how the Europeans should acknowlege their debt to Russia, which far outweighs their debt to us.
Don't get me wrong: i'm very glad the US kicked ass in WWII. We did.
But Europe was the front-line. They suffered. They were in the war when we weren't. Even France just had fucking awful generals; The Free French and the Maquis fought a long, hard war. The British bravery during the Blitz was nuts. For us to lecture them about gratitude for our actions during WWII misses the point of what WWII was about by a wide margin.
70 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:16:46pm |
re: #66 jamesfirecat
He got banned... it was sort of a big thing...
Well he did sorta ask to be banned. It was sorta a please give me a reason to go flounce banning episode.
71 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:16:52pm |
re: #68 brookly red
Oh...
Yeah as someone who had moments of both agreeing with him and disagreeing with him... he was a character if nothing else... I'll never get what pushed him to do what he did....
72 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:17:27pm |
re: #51 Obdicut
He. The British were the biggest anti-Americans I encountered in Europe.
I lived in England for a year. Went to school there, age seventeen.
One English dude was going on and on to me about the failures of American culture. I wasn't really paying all that much attention-- the English do this on occasion. At the end of the rant, he said,
"So tell me, Yank, what do Americans think of the British?"
And I replied, unthinkingly,
"We don't."
'tis true.
That analogizes perfectly to the different ways northerners and southerners look at the Civil War.
Southerners are still quite obsessed. Why? Because they lost. The losers remember and carry a chip on their shoulder. The winners move on.
Same is true with the Brits. I've had a few tell me that they "made us" what we are. We may have adopted much of their cultural and legal and political framework, but post-1783, we pretty much had taken off the British training wheels and made ourselves what we are today. But the Brits don't forget. Why? Because they lost.
73 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:17:50pm |
re: #69 Obdicut
In that case, we should really also talk about how the Europeans should acknowlege their debt to Russia, which far outweighs their debt to us.
Don't get me wrong: i'm very glad the US kicked ass in WWII. We did.
But Europe was the front-line. They suffered. They were in the war when we weren't. Even France just had fucking awful generals; The Free French and the Maquis fought a long, hard war. The British bravery during the Blitz was nuts. For us to lecture them about gratitude for our actions during WWII misses the point of what WWII was about by a wide margin.
Russia was not Europe? Hmmm, I need a new map.
74 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:18:43pm |
re: #67 jamesfirecat
"America is the land of gangsters and cowboys and they have 32 flavors of ice cream!"
That's how Terry Pratchett put it in God Omens I think...
I once had a Slovakian guy totally fascinated when I pulled out my Sierra Club planner.
He had apparently thought that the entire continent of North America was entirely plastered over with mini-malls and suburban housing.
75 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:18:44pm |
re: #67 jamesfirecat
"America is the land of gangsters and cowboys and they have 32 flavors of ice cream!"
That's how Terry Pratchett put it in God Omens I think...
For us, as kids, America was the land of wonder.
As a kid, I wanted the freedom to be an American. We saw America as 'free', where anything could happen.
You cannot imagine what Disneyland meant to us- such things were not even a part of our dreams!
76 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:18:47pm |
re: #72 palomino
Might as well tell the British that they're really French, then, thanks to the Normans.
77 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:19:20pm |
re: #69 Obdicut
In that case, we should really also talk about how the Europeans should acknowlege their debt to Russia, which far outweighs their debt to us.
Don't get me wrong: i'm very glad the US kicked ass in WWII. We did.
But Europe was the front-line. They suffered. They were in the war when we weren't. Even France just had fucking awful generals; The Free French and the Maquis fought a long, hard war. The British bravery during the Blitz was nuts. For us to lecture them about gratitude for our actions during WWII misses the point of what WWII was about by a wide margin.
I just feel we should publicly honor the Poles more for their contribution during the Revolution.
78 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:19:24pm |
re: #71 jamesfirecat
Yeah as someone who had moments of both agreeing with him and disagreeing with him... he was a character if nothing else... I'll never get what pushed him to do what he did...
well I helped talk him off the ledge once... I can see where he was coming from I guess.
79 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:19:42pm |
re: #70 Jadespring
Well he did sorta ask to be banned. It was sorta a please give me a reason to go flounce banning episode.
He wanted to be banned? Is it bad form for me to ask why he would want such a thing? When did this happen?
80 | austin_blue Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:19:51pm |
re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist
My personal favorite American tourist EVER was the guy in line at the Crown Jewels exhibit at the Tower of London who was trying to get the tour guide to give him an estimate value for the collection.
Guide kept evading the question, and babbling about the historical value of the stuff.
Eh, whatever. Aside from a couple real treasures like the Black Prince's ruby, and the Koh-i-Noor, the stuff is mostly just bulk diamonds, set and reset over the years, and almost nothing goes back before the eighteenth century.
This guy was great. Bermudas and a short-sleeve button-up. The guide wanted to kill him.
Mine was in Paris. I had a week off from working in the North Sea and my company jetted me down. Found a cheap pension on the left bank and was sitting in a cafe, reading the IHT, having coffee and a croissant, and smoking a Galoise when I hear a commotion and see two fat people walking toward me. Bermuda shorts, Hawaiian shirts and straw hats. The husband has got a big SLR camera bouncing off his belly and opined "Goddamit, Lurleen! We're lost! Doesn't anybody speak American around this hellhole?!?!"
I did my best to slide under the table.
81 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:19:59pm |
re: #72 palomino
Yes, I have experienced that attitude in a few Brits. "Oh, yes, we have all the mod cons here."
82 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:20:30pm |
re: #72 palomino
That analogizes perfectly to the different ways northerners and southerners look at the Civil War.
Southerners are still quite obsessed. Why? Because they lost. The losers remember and carry a chip on their shoulder. The winners move on.
Same is true with the Brits. I've had a few tell me that they "made us" what we are. We may have adopted much of their cultural and legal and political framework, but post-1783, we pretty much had taken off the British training wheels and made ourselves what we are today. But the Brits don't forget. Why? Because they lost.
And we didn't become part of the Commonwealth. Makes a difference, emotionally, I think.
83 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:21:39pm |
re: #75 researchok
For us, as kids, America was the land of wonder.
As a kid, I wanted the freedom to be an American. We saw America as 'free', where anything could happen.
You cannot imagine what Disneyland meant to us- such things were not even a part of our dreams!
That brings up something I saw in my Monty Python and Philosophy book...
Basically it boils down to how America is a country sized Disney Land to the British. Because compared to them, we're nothing but a gigantic collection of charicatures who are too exuberant, crazy, and outspoken to be "real"
84 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:21:59pm |
re: #73 brookly red
Russia was not Europe? Hmmm, I need a new map.
Russia is both Europe and Asia, and when talking about WWII, is generally not referred to as "Europe". Besides, when you talk about "Europe" being grateful for our military, you really just mean Western Europe, since we never got anywhere near Eastern Europe.
Do you get my point that saying that the Europeans should be grateful for our help during WWII is kind of nuts? They didn't sit back and wait for rescue, they fought tooth and fucking nail. The French collapsed due to bad generalship, but they also had just lost-- as had most countries in Europe-- an entire generation of young men in WWI.
85 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:22:10pm |
re: #80 austin_blue
Mine was in Paris. I had a week off from working in the North Sea and my company jetted me down. Found a cheap pension on the left bank and was sitting in a cafe, reading the IHT, having coffee and a croissant, and smoking a Galoise when I hear a commotion and see two fat people walking toward me. Bermuda shorts, Hawaiian shirts and straw hats. The husband has got a big SLR camera bouncing off his belly and opined "Goddamit, Lurleen! We're lost! Doesn't anybody speak American around this hellhole?!?!"
I did my best to slide under the table.
It was my experience that all the Arabs speak English...
86 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:22:50pm |
87 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:22:56pm |
re: #79 palomino
He wanted to be banned? Is it bad form for me to ask why he would want such a thing? When did this happen?
Couple of weeks ago I think. And I have no idea why.
88 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:23:01pm |
re: #73 brookly red
Russia was not Europe? Hmmm, I need a new map.
Not all of the WW2 Soviet Union was in Europe, a majority of the country was in Asia.
90 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:24:06pm |
re: #86 Floral Giraffe
Did someone piss in your cornflakes this morning?
Killgoe got it... whats in your wallet?
91 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:24:32pm |
re: #43 Killgore Trout
The Brits are odd. Even with American culture there's still a strange love/hate thing. They really do idolize much of American culture in a strange way.
There's even a UK version of Law & Order now. It's fairly good if that sort of show is your thing.
92 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:25:00pm |
re: #80 austin_blue
Mine was in Paris. I had a week off from working in the North Sea and my company jetted me down. Found a cheap pension on the left bank and was sitting in a cafe, reading the IHT, having coffee and a croissant, and smoking a Galoise when I hear a commotion and see two fat people walking toward me. Bermuda shorts, Hawaiian shirts and straw hats. The husband has got a big SLR camera bouncing off his belly and opined "Goddamit, Lurleen! We're lost! Doesn't anybody speak American around this hellhole?!?!"
I did my best to slide under the table.
Oy. Never had an encounter that bad.
My problem is that I look decidedly Spanish, for genetic reasons that make sense, but totally disregard my actual genes. (A Celto-German type mixed with a Semitic type pretty much looks the same no matter when the mix comes in.)
In England, lost Spaniards could pick me out of crowd a mile away. They would run over and start speaking Spanish. Unfortunately, not only don't I speak Spanish, I don't speak a different Spanish from the Spanish they spoke. Giving directions was HILARIOUS. Me, trying to give directions to the Piccadilly Circus station in Mexican Spanish, the tourists saying things like "Are you speaking Spanish now?"
93 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:25:02pm |
94 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:26:18pm |
re: #85 brookly red
It was my experience that all the Arabs speak English...
I met some Israelis in London on the Ghost Walk. I noticed them because they were chatting during the pub stop, and I suddenly realized that the word floating into my ear over and over was 'ruchot'. (Spirits.)
95 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:26:19pm |
96 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:27:09pm |
re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist
My all-time favorite Onion piece is the one about the man who was held for years at the zoo because they were convinced he was a giraffe.
97 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:27:11pm |
re: #84 Obdicut
Russia is both Europe and Asia, and when talking about WWII, is generally not referred to as "Europe". Besides, when you talk about "Europe" being grateful for our military, you really just mean Western Europe, since we never got anywhere near Eastern Europe.
Do you get my point that saying that the Europeans should be grateful for our help during WWII is kind of nuts? They didn't sit back and wait for rescue, they fought tooth and fucking nail. The French collapsed due to bad generalship, but they also had just lost-- as had most countries in Europe-- an entire generation of young men in WWI.
Not just bad generalship. France was greatly shocked by the German thrust out of the Ardennes. They did think the Germany attack across the Muese and into their rear was possible and when it proven so panic set in.
98 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:27:27pm |
re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist
I met some Israelis in London on the Ghost Walk. I noticed them because they were chatting during the pub stop, and I suddenly realized that the word floating into my ear over and over was 'ruchot'. (Spirits.)
A fine word in a pub methinks...
99 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:27:29pm |
re: #91 Dark_Falcon
There's even a UK version of Law & Order now. It's fairly good if that sort of show is your thing.
Really?
Sorry it's just that the British Police look... well silly to me, doubly so with those hats....
100 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:27:33pm |
re: #91 Dark_Falcon
There's even a UK version of Law & Order now. It's fairly good if that sort of show is your thing.
OK, this show lasted less than a season, but if you want a fabulous look at British/American culture clash, check out Keen Eddie. About an NYC cop who ends up on long-term loan to Scotland Yard. Sienna Miller is in it.
101 | What, me worry? Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:27:51pm |
re: #83 jamesfirecat
That brings up something I saw in my Monty Python and Philosophy book...
Basically it boils down to how America is a country sized Disney Land to the British. Because compared to them, we're nothing but a gigantic collection of charicatures who are too exuberant, crazy, and outspoken to be "real"
I was in Israel in 1978. I was 16. I was with a Young Judea group. There were 33 of us from all over the U.S.
We spent an afternoon at the Mediterranean Sea and bumped into a group of young Europeans on holiday. These twin women, maybe in their 20s approached us. To say they were drop dead gorgeous would be underestimating the phrase. Absolutely stunning looking. They were soon joined by two young men, also twins, and also breathtakingly beautiful. Like movie stars, the four of them.
It was very odd, but as the conversation progressed, they were Italian and asked where we were from, etc., it became clear they only came over to bash us. They went on and on about how awful the U.S. is, how we pop a pill for everything. How teenagers have no idea about the world and are just busy getting stoned or laid. We eat junk food all day long. We have terrible health, we're lazy, on and on. Did I mention this was 1978?
We basically stood there dumbfounded, only coming up with an occasional "No, we aren't!" or some such. I mean, we had nothing. They walked away laughing. I think we concluded they were jealous :p
102 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:28:19pm |
re: #95 brookly red
did he have his boots on at least?
Just drop it, please. It won't accomplish anything useful, and it will annoy Charles.
103 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:28:52pm |
re: #96 Alouette
:)
That one wasn't really so funny, but they needed to do something with it. IIRC, they stopped publishing for a week after 9/11 and then threw themselves back into it.
104 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:29:11pm |
re: #97 Dark_Falcon
Not just bad generalship. France was greatly shocked by the German thrust out of the Ardennes. They did think the Germany attack across the Muese and into their rear was possible and when it proven so panic set in.
Didn't they do the exact same thing in WW1 (All be it less sucessfully though?)
So clearly their generals weren't even "fighting the last war" or they would have seen it coming....
106 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:29:23pm |
re: #91 Dark_Falcon
There's even a UK version of Law & Order now. It's fairly good if that sort of show is your thing.
I like that show.
To be fair though there are a number of British shows where versions have made their way to this side of the pond too.
107 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:29:23pm |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
Just drop it, please. It won't accomplish anything useful, and it will annoy Charles.
I was done 10 posts ago...
108 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:30:51pm |
re: #97 Dark_Falcon
I'd say that's an example of bad generalship; not being able to forsee a possible event.
And some still fought, even after losing all leadership.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
109 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:30:52pm |
re: #30 researchok
European Anti Americanism is as European, as, well, cheese.
There are a lot of reasons this is so, but for any European (and for that matter, Canadian) politician to ;make his bones', an anti American period is mandatory.
Europeans have a love/hate relationship with Americans.
'We love you because you came from Europe- you are our cousins. We hate you because we are not you'.
The last sentence of this post is an example of why some Europeans and Canadians find some Americans annoying.
110 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:31:18pm |
re: #106 Jadespring
I like that show.
To be fair though there are a number of British shows where versions have made their way to this side of the pond too.
I like the original British "Coupling", but apparently the American version was just FAIL.
We can't do that much frank sex. We just can't.
111 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:31:25pm |
re: #101 marjoriemoon
I was in Israel in 1978. I was 16. I was with a Young Judea group. There were 33 of us from all over the U.S.
We spent an afternoon at the Mediterranean Sea and bumped into a group of young Europeans on holiday. These twin women, maybe in their 20s approached us. To say they were drop dead gorgeous would be underestimating the phrase. Absolutely stunning looking. They were soon joined by two young men, also twins, and also breathtakingly beautiful. Like movie stars, the four of them.
It was very odd, but as the conversation progressed, they were Italian and asked where we were from, etc., it became clear they only came over to bash us. They went on and on about how awful the U.S. is, how we pop a pill for everything. How teenagers have no idea about the world and are just busy getting stoned or laid. We eat junk food all day long. We have terrible health, we're lazy, on and on. Did I mention this was 1978?
We basically stood there dumbfounded, only coming up with an occasional "No, we aren't!" or some such. I mean, we had nothing. They walked away laughing. I think we concluded they were jealous :p
/should have kicked their asses ;)
112 | What, me worry? Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:32:05pm |
re: #111 brookly red
/should have kicked their asses ;)
We were too busy getting stoned and laid lol
113 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:32:39pm |
Let's see, worst American tourists had to be the young threesome in a Cayman Island disco who kept flinging themselves while dancing into the well dressed local couple trying to just dance.
Worst foreign tourists, a German family who let their children climb and knock around in the inset window sills of an ancient mansion in South Carolina.
Also, the German couple who wanted to sun bathe in the nude in our rented garden and villa in Corfu.
114 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:33:07pm |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
Just drop it, please. It won't accomplish anything useful, and it will annoy Charles.
There is the possibility that is his intent.
115 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:33:20pm |
re: #112 marjoriemoon
We were too busy getting stoned and laid lol
sex drug AND violence... what could be more American :)
116 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:33:34pm |
re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist
I like the original British "Coupling", but apparently the American version was just FAIL.
We can't do that much frank sex. We just can't.
Yeah some just don't transpose that well. The Office has worked really well though.
117 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:33:59pm |
re: #114 Reginald Perrin
There is the possibility that is his intent.
do you have a problem with me Reginald?
118 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:34:45pm |
good evening Lizards..another long day here..
I'm not afraid of Heights.. I'm afraid of widths
119 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:35:11pm |
re: #108 Obdicut
I'd say that's an example of bad generalship; not being able to forsee a possible event.
And some still fought, even after losing all leadership.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
True. I think my favorite French formation of WWII was Leclerc's 2nd Free French Armored Division. It's ambush of a German Panzer brigade at Dompierre was a triumph of good tactics and the fact that they fought under Patton makes them even better.
120 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:35:25pm |
re: #118 HoosierHoops
good evening Lizards..another long day here..
I'm not afraid of Heights.. I'm afraid of widths
phat is scary
122 | Henchman 25 Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:36:14pm |
re: #96 Alouette
Personally, I liked the Family Guy joke where the terrorist guy got into heaven and did indeed find 72 virgins.... 72 high school nerd virgins. :)
123 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:36:23pm |
re: #106 Jadespring
I like that show.
To be fair though there are a number of British shows where versions have made their way to this side of the pond too.
Very true. The Office perhaps heads the list. It's a healthy cultural interchange.
124 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:36:46pm |
re: #109 b_sharp
The last sentence of this post is an example of why some Europeans and Canadians find some Americans annoying.
Perhaps- but in no way does it change that reality.
Many eastern Canadians (save for Quebecois) are knee jerk anti American. The NDP, Liberal leader David Ignatieff (who studied at Harvard!) have made clear the ease in how they are ready to criticize Americans. Stephen Harper is often berated for his close ties and support of America.
As a rule, western Canadians are far more apt to be pro America with the exception of British Columbia (their lalaland)
125 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:36:47pm |
re: #112 marjoriemoon
We were too busy getting stoned and laid lol
You didn't meet Italians from our town in Italy. We made a point of living off post, and one of our daughters went to school there (Scuola Media Dante Alighieri). A village near us has a statue of a man in coat and fedora, it's a memorial to the villagers who migrated to America. After three years, when we rotated back, her schoolmates gave my daughter an "American Wake".
The local chewing gum is named "Brooklyn".
126 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:39:40pm |
re: #118 HoosierHoops
good evening Lizards..another long day here..
I'm not afraid of Heights.. I'm afraid of widths
LOL! They're more afraid of you, than you are of them!
127 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:39:42pm |
re: #125 Decatur Deb
You didn't meet Italians from our town in Italy. We made a point of living off post, and one of our daughters went to school there (Scuola Media Dante Alighieri). A village near us has a statue of a man in coat and fedora, it's a memorial to the villagers who migrated to America. After three years, when we rotated back, her schoolmates gave my daughter an "American Wake".
The local chewing gum is named "Brooklyn".
nutin is more American dan Brooklyn!
128 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:40:37pm |
re: #106 Jadespring
I like that show.
To be fair though there are a number of British shows where versions have made their way to this side of the pond too.
The (original) British version of "The Office" is so thoroughly superior to the US version that it makes my teeth itch. I was embarrassed when NBC announced they were going to rip it off Americanize it.
129 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:41:17pm |
re: #123 Dark_Falcon
Very true. The Office perhaps heads the list. It's a healthy cultural interchange.
It is interesting to see the differences. The UK version of the Office was infinitely smarter than the American version. In general their TV is much better than ours. There's still a strong effort on British TV to educate. I love their food, cooking and gardening shows.
130 | austin_blue Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:42:03pm |
131 | What, me worry? Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:42:06pm |
re: #113 prairiefire
Let's see, worst American tourists had to be the young threesome in a Cayman Island disco who kept flinging themselves while dancing into the well dressed local couple trying to just dance.
Worst foreign tourists, a German family who let their children climb and knock around in the inset window sills of an ancient mansion in South Carolina.
Also, the German couple who wanted to sun bathe in the nude in our rented garden and villa in Corfu.
When I first moved to FL, I worked as a hostess in one of the hotels on N Miami Beach. Whenever we had French tourists, the women always removed their bikini tops at the pool. Of course, this was not allowed. There was about 5 pool guys working at any given shift and they always fought over who would tell them to put their tops back on.
132 | austin_blue Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:43:09pm |
re: #85 brookly red
It was my experience that all the Arabs speak English...
Not mine. Most were Algerians.
133 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:43:11pm |
re: #126 Floral Giraffe
LOL! They're more afraid of you, than you are of them!
Hi Cutie! Think I'll fix a Grey Goose and OJ and relax tonight..What a day!
Any good fights going on? LOL
135 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:44:00pm |
re: #129 Killgore Trout
It is interesting to see the differences. The UK version of the Office was infinitely smarter than the American version. In general their TV is much better than ours. There's still a strong effort on British TV to educate. I love their food, cooking and gardening shows.
It seems to me that Americans still prefer a bit of slapstick', be it physical or verbal in their humor.
Brit humor is still predicated mostly on teh dry and double entendre variety.
136 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:44:51pm |
re: #124 researchok
Perhaps- but in no way does it change that reality.
Many eastern Canadians (save for Quebecois) are knee jerk anti American. The NDP, Liberal leader David Ignatieff (who studied at Harvard!) have made clear the ease in how they are ready to criticize Americans. Stephen Harper is often berated for his close ties and support of America.
As a rule, western Canadians are far more apt to be pro America with the exception of British Columbia (their lalaland)
Being critical of something that is happening in the US does not mean 'anti-american.' At various times US admins and politicians have posed criticisms of Canadian stances or policies (Iraq War comes to mind) as well. Doesn't make them anti-Canadian. And while I do acknowledge that anti-american sentiment exists within the Canadian populace and some may very well be knee-jerk for some I hear and read about the same sort of sentiment about Canada from many in the south as well. (Just start a convo on the net about our healthcare system on some places on the net and the vitrol flies) We're our own country and tied quite closely to the States on many different levels those ties though don't preclude not liking particular things that the other does or promotes and being critical of them.
137 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:44:51pm |
re: #130 austin_blue
Really? He has shuffled off this virtual coil?
Why?
He dared Charles to ban him.. Which may be the stupidest thing to do on a blog..Any Blog.. Dumb ass Cato
138 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:44:53pm |
re: #117 brookly red
do you have a problem with me Reginald?
None whatsoever, you're are someone else's problem and invisible to me.
SEP
I promise to scroll by all your comments, except for the ones that have been down-dinged
139 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:45:02pm |
140 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:45:48pm |
re: #130 austin_blue
Really? He has shuffled off this virtual coil?
Why?
Suffice it to say he smarted off at Charles about LGF's subscription service. He implied it (and LGF) was a lower value for him than the Baltimore Sun. Having forgiven Cato for his earlier flounce, Charles saw no reason to tolerate having his forgiveness repaid with a insult. So he pushed the ban button.
141 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:46:53pm |
re: #124 researchok
Perhaps- but in no way does it change that reality.
Many eastern Canadians (save for Quebecois) are knee jerk anti American. The NDP, Liberal leader David Ignatieff (who studied at Harvard!) have made clear the ease in how they are ready to criticize Americans. Stephen Harper is often berated for his close ties and support of America.
As a rule, western Canadians are far more apt to be pro America with the exception of British Columbia (their lalaland)
It is the American arrogance, not our jealousy that drives Canadian anti-American sentiment.
Your comment that ended with the assumption that Europeans and Canadians don't like Americans because we are jealous of you in some way shows the arrogance too many Americans carry with them when they visit other countries. Dump the personal arrogance, and the anti-American sentiment will be reduced to those who are pissed at the US's political arrogance in interfering with other countries. Stop that, and very few will be anti-American.
Some people will always be anti-American, some of them because of jealousy, but I have never met any C
142 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:47:01pm |
I've been in Europe twice. Once in June 2008 before Obama was elected and in the summer of 09 when Obama was elected. I'll be honest. I didn't really feel any hostility towards me either time. I'm terrible at foreign languages but I do have an eager and healthy interest in European history and culture. One of my best experiences as an American abroad was last year when I was coming back from County Kerry making a stop in Limerick or County Clare. Anyhow, I was out of money at the moment and I was eyeing one of those family surname history things that they do for you. I just wanted to look at my dad's mom's maiden name(I'm Irish through her) so I was curious about the time. The Irish gentleman running the stand asked me if I was American to which I told him I was and he's like well I'll do ya a favor here and give you one for free just don't tell anyone. It was really cool of him. I have the name history framed on my bedroom wall now. In Vienna the previous year I met a Slovak bartender and I'm part Slovak too and she loved that. I think the best thing to do when abroad is just act respectful.
143 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:47:08pm |
144 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:47:10pm |
re: #138 Reginald Perrin
None whatsoever, you're are someone else's problem and invisible to me.
SEP
I promise to scroll by all your comments, except for the ones that have been down-dinged
that would just fine Reggie..
145 | Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:47:24pm |
I wish her luck and safety
146 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:48:21pm |
re: #129 Killgore Trout
It is interesting to see the differences. The UK version of the Office was infinitely smarter than the American version. In general their TV is much better than ours. There's still a strong effort on British TV to educate. I love their food, cooking and gardening shows.
Also, there is nothing that can compete with the UK 'Eye' on the Eccentric' type of show.
That, and the yearly Holiday interview of one Mrs Whittington type who announces that she will no longer be setiing a place for her husband at the holiday table.
'E went out for a packet pf cigarettes in 1971 and never came back. I simply cannot wait forever'.
147 | What, me worry? Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:48:26pm |
re: #135 researchok
It seems to me that Americans still prefer a bit of slapstick', be it physical or verbal in their humor.
Brit humor is still predicated mostly on teh dry and double entendre variety.
What I find fascinating is the difference in our commercials. Europeans seem to have much more interesting adverts. For all that sex we're having, we're really very puritanical.
148 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:49:01pm |
149 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:49:04pm |
re: #147 marjoriemoon
What I find fascinating is the difference in our commercials. Europeans seem to have much more interesting adverts. For all that sex we're having, we're really very puritanical.
Now that's on the money!
150 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:49:30pm |
re: #142 HappyWarrior
I think the best thing to do when abroad is just act respectful.
You nailed it.
151 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:50:17pm |
re: #135 researchok
It seems to me that Americans still prefer a bit of slapstick', be it physical or verbal in their humor.
Sight gags and sarcasm. With rare exception, that's American TV humor.
152 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:50:18pm |
re: #135 researchok
Speaking of slapstick, the ending of the episode of "Modern Family" with the mishaps of the old family station wagon had me doubled over with laughter.
153 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:50:58pm |
re: #135 researchok
It seems to me that Americans still prefer a bit of slapstick', be it physical or verbal in their humor.
Amercian audiences seem to prefer a laugh track for some reason, need to be told when something is funny, usually because it isn't. 30 Rock and Community are real anomalies.
154 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:51:58pm |
re: #148 brookly red
actually you would be surprised how many folks think Brooklyn is a State...
No, no I would not. Sadly.
155 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:52:08pm |
re: #153 goddamnedfrank
Amercian audiences seem to prefer a laugh track for some reason, need to be told when something is funny, usually because it isn't. 30 Rock and Community are real anomalies.
Arrested Development got by without a laugh track.
As did Frasier....
156 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:53:02pm |
re: #150 Reginald Perrin
You nailed it.
What humbles me everytime I've been abroad is knowing that so much history has taken place where I've been. My lodging in Prague for instance had been a Soviet officers' barracks I believe when the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia and got the Germans out in '45. And seeing a centuries old Jewish cemetry was just awe striking. I also still tear up a little thinking about Dachau.
157 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:53:09pm |
re: #152 prairiefire
Speaking of slapstick, the ending of the episode of "Modern Family" with the mishaps of the old family station wagon had me doubled over with laughter.
You aren't alone.
The word 'classic' comes to mind. The show is a winner
158 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:53:37pm |
re: #142 HappyWarrior
Definitely. I will never forget the English telephone operator who kindly said, "Why don't you try again tomorrow, love." I was sobbing with homesickness and no one was home from school or work yet to answer the phone.
159 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:53:50pm |
re: #155 jamesfirecat
Arrested Development got by without a laugh track.
As did Frasier...
I like 2 1/2 men...It's funny..But this last year we all figured who the 1/2 man was..
160 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:54:02pm |
re: #141 b_sharp
It is the American arrogance, not our jealousy that drives Canadian anti-American sentiment.
Your comment that ended with the assumption that Europeans and Canadians don't like Americans because we are jealous of you in some way shows the arrogance too many Americans carry with them when they visit other countries. Dump the personal arrogance, and the anti-American sentiment will be reduced to those who are pissed at the US's political arrogance in interfering with other countries. Stop that, and very few will be anti-American.
Some people will always be anti-American, some of them because of jealousy, but I have never met any C
Americans have much to be proud about. That pride sometimes gets mistaken for arrogance. Moreover, many Canadians seem to attack the US as a way of establish themselves as different than Americans.
161 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:54:09pm |
re: #148 brookly red
actually you would be surprised how many folks think Brooklyn is a State...
Come to think of it we should petition for statehood... we got a population of over 2 million & an official boid...
yeah, Brooklyn, the fuck yous state! Oh I can't wait!
162 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:54:31pm |
re: #153 goddamnedfrank
Amercian audiences seem to prefer a laugh track for some reason, need to be told when something is funny, usually because it isn't. 30 Rock and Community are real anomalies.
I don't why that is. That remains a mystery to me.
Laugh tracks aren't common in Europe,
163 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:54:42pm |
re: #141 b_sharp
Yeah the 'they don't like us cause they are jealous' meme is really lame.
I didn't want to bring that up because I love the majority of people who post here and don't find that sort of sentiment highly pervasive in this particular community so don't want to come off and generally insulting, but in my travels and work have met up with it a lot.
Mostly we just roll our eyes and shake our heads but yeah it is pretty annoying. I could relate dozens, upon dozens of stories where that particular sentiment has come up.
164 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:54:50pm |
re: #153 goddamnedfrank
Amercian audiences seem to prefer a laugh track for some reason, need to be told when something is funny, usually because it isn't. 30 Rock and Community are real anomalies.
The sad thing is, I can't think of anything genuinely funny on TV that wouldn't be improved by the absence of the laugh track.
I'm just happy the studios never insisted on a "gasp track" for The Twilight Zone".
165 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:55:41pm |
re: #164 negativ
The sad thing is, I can't think of anything genuinely funny on TV that wouldn't be improved by the absence of the laugh track.
I'm just happy the studios never insisted on a "gasp track" for The Twilight Zone".
WHAT A TWIST!
166 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:55:47pm |
re: #155 jamesfirecat
Arrested Development got by without a laugh track.
As did Frasier...
Arrested Development was too good, got killed by FOX for being topical (Bluth - Hussein partnership, Mission Accomplished, etc.)
Frasier was awful, which explains why it just wouldn't die.
167 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:55:47pm |
re: #155 jamesfirecat
Arrested Development got by without a laugh track.
As did Frasier...
Frazier was great. It was the closets thing to a Brit comedy, in my opion.
They writers never, ever talked down to their audience.
168 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:57:29pm |
re: #166 goddamnedfrank
Arrested Development was too good, got killed by FOX for being topical (Bluth - Hussein partnership, Mission Accomplished, etc.)
Frasier was awful, which explains why it just wouldn't die.
I would have thought you'd have like Frazier- it was quite witty and sharp at times.
169 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:58:45pm |
re: #136 Jadespring
We could never beat you in a war and we gave up trying!
170 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:58:54pm |
re: #167 researchok
Frazier was great. It was the closets thing to a Brit comedy, in my opion.
They writers never, ever talked down to their audience.
I really liked it for Kelsey Grammer, he did a great job in that show... hell he played the same character for like 20 years, live action to not just an animated voice.... that has to be like a rechord....
171 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:59:41pm |
172 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:00:53pm |
re: #141 b_sharp
Very true. I had a blast, the times I traveled in Europe. I mangled the host country's language, but I tried! And people appreciated the effort. I need to get back to traveling. Hmm, where to start...
173 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:01:01pm |
One-handed model in bra becomes overnight sensation
A one-handed model who posed in a bra for a charity ad campaign has become a European sensation.
The 35-year-old graphic designer has been swamped with requests for interviews from around Europe after appearing in a print ad for CAP48, a nonprofit organization that highlights disability issues in France and Belgium, Britain’s Daily Mail newspaper reported.
Tanja Kiewitz, who was born with her left arm ending just below her elbow, is featured wearing a low-cut black bra, with a tagline that translates from French as: “Look me in the eyes … I said the eyes.”
No dice, lady. If you're going to model a low cut bra like that, it's your boobs I'm going to pay attention to.
/Sorry, I'm a guy.
174 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:01:04pm |
re: #160 Dark_Falcon
Americans have much to be proud about. That pride sometimes gets mistaken for arrogance. Moreover, many Canadians seem to attack the US as a way of establish themselves as different than Americans.
Yes, Americans have much to be proud of, but so do Canadians. There is no reason for Canadians to be jealous of Americans, none. Of all the people I know with an anti-American lean, and that included myself up to a few years ago, that sentiment is based on many things, but not because of jealously.
175 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:01:13pm |
re: #135 researchok
It seems to me that Americans still prefer a bit of slapstick', be it physical or verbal in their humor.
Brit humor is still predicated mostly on teh dry and double entendre variety.
Americans have a German sense of humor. Makes sense, culturally, confuses the hell out of everyone.
176 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:01:37pm |
re: #170 jamesfirecat
I really liked it for Kelsey Grammer, he did a great job in that show... hell he played the same character for like 20 years, live action to not just an animated voice... that has to be like a rechord...
The repartee between Frazier and Niles alone made the show worth watching.
The dad, the producer and the occasional Lilith episode were just the icing.
177 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:01:47pm |
Hey, has anyone seen RED yet?
For some reason I want all my future girlfriends to have a little something in common with Helen Mirren. Don't know why...
178 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:02:10pm |
re: #142 HappyWarrior
Respect goes a LONG way!
Great story of your trip!
179 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:02:14pm |
re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist
Americans have a German sense of humor. Makes sense, culturally, confuses the hell out of everyone.
*just spewed water*
180 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:02:29pm |
181 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:02:39pm |
Elvira spoofs Christine O'Donnell[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
182 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:03:01pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
One-handed model in bra becomes overnight sensation
No dice, lady. If you're going to model a low cut bra like that, it's your boobs I'm going to pay attention to.
/Sorry, I'm a guy.
I can't do either.
Sorry but it trips the Uncanny Valley for me.
I like my women like I like my cars, symetrical!
183 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:03:35pm |
re: #145 ozbloke
I wish her luck and safety
Damn. Now that would be a cop show.
Prayers in her direction.
184 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:03:44pm |
185 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:03:57pm |
re: #172 Floral Giraffe
Very true. I had a blast, the times I traveled in Europe. I mangled the host country's language, but I tried! And people appreciated the effort. I need to get back to traveling. Hmm, where to start...
This used to be Elderhostel, but they have opened to all ages.
[Link: www.google.com...]
186 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:04:03pm |
re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist
Americans have a German sense of humor. Makes sense, culturally, confuses the hell out of everyone.
POLLLANNNDD!
POLLLANDDDD!
187 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:04:16pm |
re: #147 marjoriemoon
What I find fascinating is the difference in our commercials. Europeans seem to have much more interesting adverts. For all that sex we're having, we're really very puritanical.
Oh yeah.
188 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:04:28pm |
189 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:04:43pm |
re: #180 Obdicut
Nice to see Rich Hall is still getting work.
190 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:04:48pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
One-handed model in bra becomes overnight sensation
No dice, lady. If you're going to model a low cut bra like that, it's your boobs I'm going to pay attention to.
/Sorry, I'm a guy.
Don't bother apologizing to me.
191 | darthstar Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:05:04pm |
192 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:05:30pm |
re: #167 researchok
Frazier was great. It was the closets thing to a Brit comedy, in my opion.
They writers never, ever talked down to their audience.
I thought it was tiresome.
193 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:05:34pm |
194 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:05:53pm |
re: #177 rwmofo
Hey, has anyone seen RED yet?
For some reason I want all my future girlfriends to have a little something in common with Helen Mirren. Don't know why...
I saw it two weeks ago on the 4th.
Not that I'm barging about how my start up company job got me 4 tickets to a premiere showing or anything....
195 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:06:14pm |
Well to be fair I have met lots of European tourists who have expressed jealously of Canada and a strong desire to move here. Doesn't have anything to do with our politics or culture though. It's a jealously of the vast swaths of natural beauty and relatively untouched and not crowded outdoor spaces. :)
196 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:06:21pm |
197 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:07:27pm |
re: #177 rwmofo
Hey, has anyone seen RED yet?
For some reason I want all my future girlfriends to have a little something in common with Helen Mirren. Don't know why...
I've seen it. It's fairly good. Not really memorable, but good. The only real grip I have is that they cast Julian McMahon as the bad-guy vice president but didn't really use him. His "bad-guy charm" could have worked well in the movie.
198 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:08:14pm |
re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist
I thought it was tiresome.
I did too. It was massively predictable. They may not have talked down to their audience, but the plots were telegraphed from about a mile away.
"FRASIER'S ABOUT TO LEARN ABOUT LIFE FROM A WORKING CLASS PERSON-- HERE IT COMES..."
199 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:08:20pm |
re: #179 researchok
*just spewed water*
Well, we do. Seriously. We'd notice if it wasn't for the Germans speaking, well, German.
200 | APox Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:08:46pm |
Because vaccinations are evvvvil: [Link: m.cnn.com...]
... Hard to make light of this sad story.
201 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:09:16pm |
re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, we do. Seriously. We'd notice if it wasn't for the Germans speaking, well, German.
I hear Hogan's Heroes does very well in Germany.... which makes about as much sense of Medal of Honor Pacific Campaign selling well in Japan if you stop to think about it...
202 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:09:32pm |
re: #195 Jadespring
Well to be fair I have met lots of European tourists who have expressed jealously of Canada and a strong desire to move here. Doesn't have anything to do with our politics or culture though. It's a jealously of the vast swaths of natural beauty and relatively untouched and not crowded outdoor spaces. :)
You won't like them as much once they cut down all your trees and fill the tundra with rowhouses.
203 | austin_blue Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:09:40pm |
re: #182 jamesfirecat
I can't do either.
Sorry but it trips the Uncanny Valley for me.
I like my women like I like my cars, symetrical!
But that's why it's not called a hands job.
205 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:10:02pm |
re: #195 Jadespring
Well to be fair I have met lots of European tourists who have expressed jealously of Canada and a strong desire to move here. Doesn't have anything to do with our politics or culture though. It's a jealously of the vast swaths of natural beauty and relatively untouched and not crowded outdoor spaces. :)
I've been to Montreal (that and SF are my two favorite cities), Banff, Lake Louise, etc as well as Halifax and NS. I've even been to Winnipeg which shocked me. That is no backwater, by any means.
Unbelievable beauty- and great, great people.
206 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:10:46pm |
re: #185 Decatur Deb
This used to be Elderhostel, but they have opened to all ages.
[Link: www.google.com...]
Favorited, to look at later.
With evil intent! And itchy feet!
Thank you!
207 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:10:55pm |
re: #202 Killgore Trout
You won't like them as much once they cut down all your trees and fill the tundra with rowhouses.
damn straight! that's our job!
208 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:11:03pm |
re: #201 jamesfirecat
I hear Hogan's Heroes does very well in Germany... which makes about as much sense of Medal of Honor Pacific Campaign selling well in Japan if you stop to think about it...
I hear Baywatch does very well in Germany.
This does not say a whole lot for Germans, but as a proud citizen of the country that produced the thing, what can I say?
209 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:11:36pm |
re: #205 researchok
Do not cross the street before the light says "go". They will cut you./
210 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:11:44pm |
re: #205 researchok
I've been to Montreal (that and SF are my two favorite cities), Banff, Lake Louise, etc as well as Halifax and NS. I've even been to Winnipeg which shocked me. That is no backwater, by any means.
Unbelievable beauty- and great, great people.
I have never been to Canada. I am told I need to fix that.
211 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:12:26pm |
re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist
I hear Baywatch does very well in Germany.
This does not say a whole lot for Germans, but as a proud citizen of the country that produced the thing, what can I say?
Germans like blonds... Germans like boobs. Why would it not do well?
212 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:12:33pm |
re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist
I hear Baywatch does very well in Germany.
This does not say a whole lot for Germans, but as a proud citizen of the country that produced the thing, what can I say?
Well the star of Baywatch, David Hasselhoff, is German. So the show had a built in angle right there.
213 | jaunte Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:12:45pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
If you go by canoe in the boundary waters wilderness, you can sneak in.
214 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:13:28pm |
re: #213 jaunte
If you go by canoe in the boundary waters wilderness, you can sneak in.
I was thinking of just flying to Montreal or something, but I guess that might work too.
215 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:13:31pm |
re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist
David Hasselhof's career was made in Germany.
Go figure!
They love him!
216 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:13:55pm |
re: #212 Dark_Falcon
Well the star of Baywatch, David Hasselhoff, is German. So the show had a built in angle right there.
Lets we all forget Germans Love David Hasselhoff
(Warning it's a TV tropes link, prepare to kiss the rest of your night goodbye after clicking...)
217 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:14:00pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
I have never been to Canada. I am told I need to fix that.
You have got to visit Montreal. It really is 'Half New York and Half 'Paree'.
The food is extraordinary, the culture has real depth and people are just...incroyable.
218 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:14:09pm |
re: #205 researchok
I've been to Montreal (that and SF are my two favorite cities), Banff, Lake Louise, etc as well as Halifax and NS. I've even been to Winnipeg which shocked me. That is no backwater, by any means.
Unbelievable beauty- and great, great people.
Yeah Winnipeg gets a bum rap at times. It's a neat city. I've driven across Canada from Ontario to BC a few times. Lived on the West Coast before I moved here. Also lived in the Yukon for a bit, that was wild. Actually anywhere in the north of the provinces is pretty wild. I haven't made it to the East Coast yet though but it's on the list.
219 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:14:58pm |
re: #211 brookly red
Germans like blonds... Germans like boobs. Why would it not do well?
Wait a minute. I'm not German. Dude. OK, I'll put the bong down...but just for a few minutes while I try to figure this out.
220 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:15:13pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
Vancouver was very beautiful.
The people were nice, and it was a good multi-culti mix, as any big city should do well.
221 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:15:42pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
I have never been to Canada. I am told I need to fix that.
Well if you ever make it to my neck of the woods I'll show you around. :)
222 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:15:48pm |
re: #217 researchok
You have got to visit Montreal. It really is 'Half New York and Half 'Paree'.
The food is extraordinary, the culture has real depth and people are just...incroyable.
I love Montreal!
223 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:16:23pm |
re: #219 rwmofo
Wait a minute. I'm not German. Dude. OK, I'll put the bong down...but just for a few minutes while I try to figure this out.
maybe you have German roots... do you like beer?
224 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:16:32pm |
225 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:17:07pm |
re: #207 brookly red
damn straight! that's our job!
Sorry Brookly, but you'll never get a chance to cut all our trees down, we're way ahead of you. We're putting together a huge attack armada of canoes that will be used to attack and capture the White House and rule over you Americans with an iron fist. A polite iron fist.
226 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:17:24pm |
re: #220 Floral Giraffe
Vancouver was very beautiful.
The people were nice, and it was a good multi-culti mix, as any big city should do well.
Vancouver is awesome. I'll admit my bias though. I grew up there.
The only reason I'm not still there is because one it's super expensive to live in well and I'm not into cities. If I was forced to choose a city though that would be it.
227 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:17:38pm |
re: #224 LudwigVanQuixote
Hey Hoops!
Hi Lugwig! just settling down here in College Town..
Hope you are well
228 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:17:49pm |
re: #225 b_sharp
Sorry Brookly, but you'll never get a chance to cut all our trees down, we're way ahead of you. We're putting together a huge attack armada of canoes that will be used to attack and capture the White House and rule over you Americans with an iron fist. A polite iron fist.
take a number & cue up...
229 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:18:22pm |
re: #218 Jadespring
Yeah Winnipeg gets a bum rap at times. It's a neat city. I've driven across Canada from Ontario to BC a few times. Lived on the West Coast before I moved here. Also lived in the Yukon for a bit, that was wild. Actually anywhere in the north of the provinces is pretty wild. I haven't made it to the East Coast yet though but it's on the list.
WOW- that's some trip!
Winnipeg has great food and incredible music. There was a Jazz cafe run by some Polish guy that was just outstanding.
As for Montreal, it really is one of the world's great cities. Toronto is nice, a creative center, etc, but it just doesn't have the soul Montreal has. I do recall making a point to see the statue of the 'Kind of Kensington'. We used to watch that regularly. I could identify with his world (read: Neighborhood).
I was also in Hamilton (factory town, sort of) but I actually liked the character of the place.
230 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:18:31pm |
re: #206 Floral Giraffe
Their big savings trick is that they often use accommodations at out-of -cycle colleges, and even convents, IIRC.
231 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:19:07pm |
232 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:19:12pm |
re: #223 brookly red
maybe you have German roots... do you like beer?
Let's just say that the definition of an alcohol problem for me is when I don't have any.
233 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:19:45pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
I have never been to Canada. I am told I need to fix that.
Please. Just make it in summer.
Although if you do come up to Saskatchewan in winter I can certainly throw together a comfortable guest igloo for you. I'll even put a door on it to keep out the dogs. They're friendly as can be but, depending on what I catch to feed them, they can get pretty gassy.
234 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:19:52pm |
re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist
As someone who lives in a major tourist destination area, I would like to politely comment that Europeans are not, actually, nearly as polite or culturally adaptable as they would like to believe.
That may have more to do with the specific destination than with Europeans. At destinations where every other class of visitor, black, white, Asian, Mexican...gives hope that the world may yet turn out just fine, Europeans do not disappoint.
Yes, such destinations exist. After ruling out the national parks you know do not begin to fit that description, you're there.
235 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:20:16pm |
re: #232 rwmofo
Let's just say that the definition of an alcohol problem for me is when I don't have any.
///For me its two hands two beers, one mouth.
236 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:20:26pm |
re: #233 b_sharp
Please. Just make it in summer.
Although if you do come up to Saskatchewan in winter I can certainly throw together a comfortable guest igloo for you. I'll even put a door on it to keep out the dogs. They're friendly as can be but, depending on what I catch to feed them, they can get pretty gassy.
Oh, the dogs can come in. I love dogs. Even gassy dogs.
:)
237 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:21:19pm |
re: #232 rwmofo
Let's just say that the definition of an alcohol problem for me is when I don't have any.
damn busted! I need to uhh take a walk... yeah you know to the bodega... just a walk.
238 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:21:33pm |
re: #213 jaunte
If you go by canoe in the boundary waters wilderness, you can sneak in.
The difficult part is sneaking out on the other side. The road net is heavily patrolled. Even in the good old days of little security, one got a grilling upon emerging from that labyrinth.
239 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:21:46pm |
re: #234 lostlakehiker
That may have more to do with the specific destination than with Europeans. At destinations where every other class of visitor, black, white, Asian, Mexican...gives hope that the world may yet turn out just fine, Europeans do not disappoint.
Yes, such destinations exist. After ruling out the national parks you know do not begin to fit that description, you're there.
Would you like to translate that, because I'm not entirely sure what you just said?
240 | jaunte Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:22:11pm |
re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist
I was thinking of just flying to Montreal or something, but I guess that might work too.
Here's some of the scenery there. It's wonderfully quiet.
Image: File:Pose_lake_Minnesota.jpg
242 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:23:30pm |
re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, the dogs can come in. I love dogs. Even gassy dogs.
:)
/canine flatulence is a major contributor of green house gases...
243 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:23:42pm |
re: #234 lostlakehiker
That may have more to do with the specific destination than with Europeans. At destinations where every other class of visitor, black, white, Asian, Mexican...gives hope that the world may yet turn out just fine, Europeans do not disappoint.
Yes, such destinations exist. After ruling out the national parks you know do not begin to fit that description, you're there.
The Dutch, British and Germans have miserable reputations as tourists. One of these groups regularly ranks ahead of Americans in "ugly tourist" polls. Ask the Spanish how they feel about the summer beach season.
244 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:24:21pm |
re: #231 researchok
Clearly, you are a man of exquisite taste and refinement.
Last summer I did a top 10 cities that I love list.. If I recall Montreal came in #5. Just a wonderful place to visit...I could live there
245 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:24:31pm |
re: #229 researchok
WOW- that's some trip!
Winnipeg has great food and incredible music. There was a Jazz cafe run by some Polish guy that was just outstanding.
As for Montreal, it really is one of the world's great cities. Toronto is nice, a creative center, etc, but it just doesn't have the soul Montreal has. I do recall making a point to see the statue of the 'Kind of Kensington'. We used to watch that regularly. I could identify with his world (read: Neighborhood).
I was also in Hamilton (factory town, sort of) but I actually liked the character of the place.
Yeah that's a good way of describing them. I have been to Montreal but would like to go back. I didn't experience enough of it at the time. Toronto is now the big city I go when I do the big city thing. Usually to visit relatives and to see show or go to some big event. I would never want to live there though, too sprawly and with dull scenery as far as cities go. I got spoiled by Vancouver. If I had to choose a big Ontario city to live in I'd choose Ottawa. I just like the way it looks plus it just has a really neat atmosphere.
I've spent quite a bit of time around the Hamilton area too. It is a old factory town and has that air about it. Was huge mob town as well.
246 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:24:36pm |
re: #241 rwmofo
Who's in your avatar?
Achinoam Nini and Mira Awad. Israeli-Jewish and Israeli-Arab singers, who went to Eurovision together to represent Israel.
They sang a song called "There Must Be Another Way".
247 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:25:21pm |
re: #244 HoosierHoops
Last summer I did a top 10 cities that I love list.. If I recall Montreal came in #5. Just a wonderful place to visit...I could live there
I hear that. I just loved the city, the European feel, etc.
Maybe we could be neighbors.
248 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:25:27pm |
Greetings, fellow human/monkey hybrid science tyrants!
;)
250 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:25:30pm |
re: #243 imp_62
The Dutch, British and Germans have miserable reputations as tourists. One of these groups regularly ranks ahead of Americans in "ugly tourist" polls. Ask the Spanish how they feel about the summer beach season.
Brits can't help it. They're irresistably attracted to sun. And Spain is so close...so very close...and you can get chips...
251 | APox Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:25:44pm |
Hmm let's try that again from an actual computer: The vaccines, they are evil!
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
252 | Ojoe Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:25:45pm |
Please do not vote for any incumbents in the November election. If you can't bring yourself to vote D or R, there are plenty of "fringe" parties, or write in your own name. It is no use to reward an incumbent for the mess we are in; remember, if you reward something, you get more of it. Thank you.
253 | darthstar Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:26:10pm |
I'm not Jewish, but I'm willing to learn.
254 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:26:16pm |
re: #242 brookly red
/canine flatulence is a major contributor of
greenbrown house gases...
255 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:26:31pm |
re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist
Brits can't help it. They're irresistably attracted to sun. And Spain is so close...so very close...and you can get chips...
they had a war or two over that no?
256 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:27:05pm |
re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist
Achinoam Nini and Mira Awad. Israeli-Jewish and Israeli-Arab singers, who went to Eurovision together to represent Israel.
They sang a song called "There Must Be Another Way".
Cool. If only....
257 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:27:17pm |
re: #252 Ojoe
Please do not vote for any incumbents in the November election. If you can't bring yourself to vote D or R, there are plenty of "fringe" parties, or write in your own name. It is no use to reward an incumbent for the mess we are in; remember, if you reward something, you get more of it. Thank you.
In NY, there is always the Rent is Too Damn High Party. That Jimmy McMillan is starting to grow on me.
258 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:27:48pm |
re: #245 Jadespring
If you go to Montreal, the Holiday Inn in China Town was a great stay. Within walking distance of the Cathedral, historic district and the waterway. 2 blocks from a fabulous Korean bakery.
259 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:27:53pm |
re: #252 Ojoe
Please do not vote for any incumbents in the November election. If you can't bring yourself to vote D or R, there are plenty of "fringe" parties, or write in your own name. It is no use to reward an incumbent for the mess we are in; remember, if you reward something, you get more of it. Thank you.
Just because someone is an incumbent that does not make them the spawn of Satan Ojoe.
How about just asking people not to vote for any idiots who will make the situation worse instead of better in Washington?
260 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:27:59pm |
re: #257 imp_62
In NY, there is always the Rent is Too Damn High Party. That Jimmy McMillan is starting to grow on me.
you know I am leaning that way...
261 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:28:11pm |
re: #244 HoosierHoops
Last summer I did a top 10 cities that I love list.. If I recall Montreal came in #5. Just a wonderful place to visit...I could live there
Portland, OR ranks pretty high for me.
262 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:28:55pm |
re: #245 Jadespring
Yeah that's a good way of describing them. I have been to Montreal but would like to go back. I didn't experience enough of it at the time. Toronto is now the big city I go when I do the big city thing. Usually to visit relatives and to see show or go to some big event. I would never want to live there though, too sprawly and with dull scenery as far as cities go. I got spoiled by Vancouver. If I had to choose a big Ontario city to live in I'd choose Ottawa. I just like the way it looks plus it just has a really neat atmosphere.
I've spent quite a bit of time around the Hamilton area too. It is a old factory town and has that air about it. Was huge mob town as well.
I thought Hamilton had character- I really liked that. Niagara Falls was a big disappointment.
Vancouver is spectacular, as was Victoria Island. That was like a surreal, idealized English countryside town (Surrey like)
Canada is really spectacular.
263 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:29:06pm |
re: #256 rwmofo
Cool. If only...
Mira Awad put up with a lot of pressure over the whole thing. A large number of people did not want her to lend Israel legitimacy by appearing as an Arab singer, with a Jewish singer, and representing the country at Eurovision. They were vocal, and nasty about it.
265 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:29:16pm |
re: #259 jamesfirecat
Just because someone is an incumbent that does not make them the spawn of Satan Ojoe.
How about just asking people not to vote for any idiots who will make the situation worse instead of better in Washington?
we have to stick to those that are running...
266 | What, me worry? Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:30:05pm |
re: #252 Ojoe
Please do not vote for any incumbents in the November election. If you can't bring yourself to vote D or R, there are plenty of "fringe" parties, or write in your own name. It is no use to reward an incumbent for the mess we are in; remember, if you reward something, you get more of it. Thank you.
I'm actually quite happy with my Democrat choices.
267 | A Man for all Seasons Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:30:17pm |
re: #247 researchok
I hear that. I just loved the city, the European feel, etc.
Maybe we could be neighbors.
Shopping on Saint Catherines.. The Food..The people and culture..A lady from our office said..What have you noticed about Montreal? I gave the standard replies...No. She said...We have the most beautiful woman in North America...
Well, I wasn't going to say anything..But you are right..
Smoking hot women..Sorry Lizards..But it is the truth..Smoking hot
268 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:30:22pm |
re: #264 b_sharp
I have. It was lovely. Gave my asthma hell, though, with walking the incline.
269 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:30:22pm |
re: #258 prairiefire
If you go to Montreal, the Holiday Inn in China Town was a great stay. Within walking distance of the Cathedral, historic district and the waterway. 2 blocks from a fabulous Korean bakery.
Old Montreal is fantastic. No other place like it except for Quebec City.
270 | Ojoe Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:30:24pm |
re: #259 jamesfirecat
In herds they act as an idiot, collectively, the D idiot herd and the R idiot herd.
271 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:30:24pm |
re: #260 brookly red
you know I am leaning that way...
You and I will vote for him, and Paladingdong will win by two votes, with my luck.
272 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:30:38pm |
273 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:30:38pm |
274 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:31:10pm |
re: #252 Ojoe
I think we each need to evaluate the candidates on the slate presented to us, before deciding how to vote. Anything less, is an avoidance of our responsibilities as citizens.
275 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:31:19pm |
re: #267 HoosierHoops
Shopping on Saint Catherines.. The Food..The people and culture..A lady from our office said..What have you noticed about Montreal? I gave the standard replies...No. She said...We have the most beautiful woman in North America...
Well, I wasn't going to say anything..But you are right..
Smoking hot women..Sorry Lizards..But it is the truth..Smoking hot
Oh man... That be THE TRUTH.
276 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:31:46pm |
re: #270 Ojoe
In herds they act as an idiot, collectively, the D idiot herd and the R idiot herd.
So do you think Independents who don't even have a cohesive statewide leadership system would do any better?
Lets avoid electing obvious idiots like Sharon Angle even if it means voting for an incumbent and take things from there....
277 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:32:09pm |
re: #274 Floral Giraffe
I think we each need to evaluate the candidates on the slate presented to us, before deciding how to vote. Anything less, is an avoidance of our responsibilities as citizens.
Well said Floral.
278 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:32:09pm |
re: #275 researchok
Oh man... That be THE TRUTH.
The hottest women I have ever encountered on this big blue marble are in Argentina.
279 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:32:51pm |
re: #267 HoosierHoops
Shopping on Saint Catherines.. The Food..The people and culture..A lady from our office said..What have you noticed about Montreal? I gave the standard replies...No. She said...We have the most beautiful woman in North America...
Well, I wasn't going to say anything..But you are right..
Smoking hot women..Sorry Lizards..But it is the truth..Smoking hot
And the food- I had smoked meat and poutine.
I'm past the point of no return.
280 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:33:06pm |
re: #278 imp_62
The hottest women I have ever encountered on this big blue marble are in Argentina.
Yeah, but don't they cheat with a lot of plastic surgery?
281 | Ojoe Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:33:07pm |
Between the two of them, the D and R parties have held the governance of the country for more than 100 years.
Had they been able to cooperate for the common good, the country would not be in the state in which we find it.
What combined grade would you give them, the two of them together?
282 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:33:08pm |
re: #252 Ojoe
Please do not vote for any incumbents in the November election. If you can't bring yourself to vote D or R, there are plenty of "fringe" parties, or write in your own name. It is no use to reward an incumbent for the mess we are in; remember, if you reward something, you get more of it. Thank you.
That blames everyone in office for mistakes not necessarily their own. Should I vote against incumbents on the Chicago Metropolitan Water Reclamation District board because of screw-ups in Washington?
283 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:33:17pm |
More evidence of the superiority of UK tv....
Central Locking System 'Strange, But True' - Top Gear - From The BBC!
284 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:33:51pm |
285 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:34:06pm |
re: #278 imp_62
The hottest women I have ever encountered on this big blue marble are in Argentina.
4 out of 5 AWOL politicians can't be wrong!
286 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:34:11pm |
re: #280 prairiefire
Yeah, but don't they cheat with a lot of plastic surgery?
Nope. That's Venezuela you are thinking of.
287 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:34:15pm |
re: #278 imp_62
The hottest women I have ever encountered on this big blue marble are in Argentina.
I can't say- I haven't been there.
In this hemisphere, Montreal rules/
Hoops is right about that.
288 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:34:29pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
That blames everyone in office for mistakes not necessarily their own. Should I vote against incumbents on the Chicago Metropolitan Water Reclamation District board because of screw-ups in Washington?
well they of all should understand what flushing means...
289 | Ojoe Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:34:39pm |
re: #276 jamesfirecat
Write in your own name if you think you could do better than either of the two choices that the moronic, power-lusting party hacks have presented you.
290 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:34:45pm |
re: #281 Ojoe
Between the two of them, the D and R parties have held the governance of the country for more than 100 years.
Had they been able to cooperate for the common good, the country would not be in the state in which we find it.
What combined grade would you give them, the two of them together?
I don't f***ing give the parties a combined grade when one holds out an open hand in friendship and the other punches them in the gut for being such pussies.
291 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:34:46pm |
re: #277 jamesfirecat
Thanks, sorry we disagreed last night.
Hope you are well this fine evening?
292 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:35:01pm |
re: #262 researchok
I thought Hamilton had character- I really liked that. Niagara Falls was a big disappointment.
Vancouver is spectacular, as was Victoria Island. That was like a surreal, idealized English countryside town (Surrey like)
Canada is really spectacular.
Vancouver Island. :) Victoria is the provincial capital on the island. And yes it does have a real old world feel. When I lived in Vancouver I went there quite a bit. Loved it because the ferry ride made it feel like you were really getting away even if it was only a day trip. Plus sometimes you'd even see whales! That was awesome when that happened. This huge ferry would suddenly become a whale viewing ship and would slow right down while everyone rushed to see them. Loved that when that happened.
293 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:35:03pm |
re: #284 imp_62
I had a smoke and a putain.
I saw that. You are very bad.
That qualifies as friend material.
294 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:35:10pm |
re: #289 Ojoe
Write in your own name if you think you could do better than either of the two choices that the moronic, power-lusting party hacks have presented you.
What if I think one of the names on the ballot can do better than me?
295 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:35:42pm |
re: #283 Killgore Trout
More evidence of the superiority of UK tv...
Central Locking System 'Strange, But True' - Top Gear - From The BBC![Video]
I like Jeremy Clarkson. He gets into pub brawls like us little people.
296 | Ojoe Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:35:54pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
I would say incumbents for special districts & counties are OK.
I'm talking about national and state offices.
297 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:35:59pm |
re: #278 imp_62
The hottest women I have ever encountered on this big blue marble are in Argentina.
No, we're in LA!
LOL!
///sorta
298 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:36:21pm |
re: #285 jamesfirecat
4 out of 5 AWOL politicians can't be wrong!
Heh, Mark Sanford recommended. Have to say though Argentina would be cool to visit. I hear Buenos Aires is a really cool city.
299 | TedStriker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:36:28pm |
re: #128 negativ
The (original) British version of "The Office" is so thoroughly superior to the US version that it makes my teeth itch. I was embarrassed when NBC announced they were going to
rip it offAmericanize it.
The original may be great, but the American version isn't that bad...Steve Carrell and crew have done a good job, but the series is getting a bit long in the tooth.
300 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:36:33pm |
re: #291 Floral Giraffe
Thanks, sorry we disagreed last night.
Hope you are well this fine evening?
Don't even recall what we disagreed over last night personally.
I'm more or less feeling fine, thanks for asking.
Had a nasty... something (stomach flu, food poisoning?) that made me miss work on Monday (emailed and called in to let them know what was going on...) but felt good enough to make the trip yesterday and today and its getting better bit by bit.
301 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:37:12pm |
re: #288 brookly red
well they of all should understand what flushing means...
Isn't there a Flushing in Queens?
302 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:37:39pm |
re: #297 Floral Giraffe
No, we're in LA!
LOL!
///sorta
I know a very crude joke about a giraffe and a monkey.
303 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:37:43pm |
304 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:37:47pm |
305 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:38:04pm |
re: #292 Jadespring
Vancouver Island. :) Victoria is the provincial capital on the island. And yes it does have a real old world feel. When I lived in Vancouver I went there quite a bit. Loved it because the ferry ride made it feel like you were really getting away even if it was only a day trip. Plus sometimes you'd even see whales! That was awesome when that happened. This huge ferry would suddenly become a whale viewing ship and would slow right down while everyone rushed to see them. Loved that when that happened.
Yes- thank you for correcting me!
I took the ferry as well. The trip was also impressive, That ferry system is pretty comprehensive.
Victoria was great (had a fantastic fish dinner there) but when you get off the beaten path the Island becomes...magical almost. The rocky shores, the sandy shore, the quiet. It's like a trip back in time.
306 | APox Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:38:20pm |
re: #251 APox
Hmm let's try that again from an actual computer: The vaccines, they are evil!
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
""This is a preventable disease," says Sicilia, because there is a vaccine for whooping cough to protect those coming in contact with infants, and thereby protect the infants.
However, some parents are choosing to not vaccinate their children. "
Is this vaccination common for children to have?
307 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:39:06pm |
re: #304 HappyWarrior
Believe it's where the Mets used to play.
And thus the joke cycle returns to the scatological spawning ground from whence it came....
(I'm saying the Mets are bad at baseball, at least compared to New Yorks other team....)
308 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:39:29pm |
re: #302 imp_62
I know a very crude joke about a giraffe and a monkey.
Oh, dear.
Please may I pass on that?
309 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:39:31pm |
re: #295 imp_62
I like Jeremy Clarkson. He gets into pub brawls like us little people.
I don't. He's a global warming denier and his books are crap.
310 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:39:35pm |
re: #296 Ojoe
I would say incumbents for special districts & counties are OK.
I'm talking about national and state offices.
I still disagree. In my eyes, if someone in Illinois does not vote for Bill Brady (the Republican nominee for Governor) they are voting to continue having the governorship be a thrall of the Democratic Machine. A write-in vote is a vote for the Machine.
311 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:39:37pm |
re: #168 researchok
I would have thought you'd have like Frazier- it was quite witty and sharp at times.
I lived in Seattle, I escaped from Seattle, so the ever pompous, unsubtle, invented version of that city's culture just struck me as flat, false and uninteresting. It was a giant pile of meh from my perspective, like Psych's take on Saint Babs.
re: #252 Ojoe
Please do not vote for any incumbents in the November election. If you can't bring yourself to vote D or R, there are plenty of "fringe" parties, or write in your own name. It is no use to reward an incumbent for the mess we are in; remember, if you reward something, you get more of it. Thank you.
I'm not going to throw away my vote no matter how nice you ask. I did that in 2000, Voted for Nader, I said things had to get worse before they could get better. It was an idiotic thing to do then, and doing it in a whig seems even more ridiculous now.
312 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:39:44pm |
313 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:40:25pm |
re: #278 imp_62
The hottest women I have ever encountered on this big blue marble are in Argentina.
The most beautiful women I've encountered ended up pissing me off. But hey, I'm Charlie Brown and will definitely kick it around some more with Lucy.
314 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:40:25pm |
re: #292 Jadespring
Vancouver Island. :) Victoria is the provincial capital on the island. And yes it does have a real old world feel. When I lived in Vancouver I went there quite a bit. Loved it because the ferry ride made it feel like you were really getting away even if it was only a day trip. Plus sometimes you'd even see whales! That was awesome when that happened. This huge ferry would suddenly become a whale viewing ship and would slow right down while everyone rushed to see them. Loved that when that happened.
I spent a year in Vancouver/Vancouver Island one summer. It rained every night and the sun shone all day. Rode a motor cycle over Lion's Gate bridge at 110 kph at 4:00pm.
I was 17.
315 | jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:41:45pm |
re: #311 goddamnedfrank
I lived in Seattle, I escaped from Seattle, so the ever pompous, unsubtle, invented version of that city's culture just struck me as flat, false and uninteresting. It was a giant pile of meh from my perspective, like Psych's take on Saint Babs.
re: #252 Ojoe
I'm not going to throw away my vote no matter how nice you ask. I did that in 2000, Voted for Nader, I said things had to get worse before they could get better. It was an idiotic thing to do then, and doing it in a whig seems even more ridiculous now.
But you'd look so fancy!
316 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:42:03pm |
re: #313 rwmofo
The most beautiful women I've encountered ended up pissing me off. But hey, I'm Charlie Brown and will definitely kick it around some more with Lucy.
The two most handsome men I ever dated were as boring as hell.
317 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:42:41pm |
re: #316 prairiefire
The two most handsome men I ever dated were as boring as hell.
Ah....so we have met...
//
318 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:42:41pm |
re: #316 prairiefire
The two most handsome men I ever dated were as boring as hell.
I'm sorry, I was really just having an off year.
319 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:42:55pm |
re: #306 APox
""This is a preventable disease," says Sicilia, because there is a vaccine for whooping cough to protect those coming in contact with infants, and thereby protect the infants.
However, some parents are choosing to not vaccinate their children. "Is this vaccination common for children to have?
It was. Rates of whooping cough vaccination have plummeted since Andrew Wakefield's bogus study that linked a childhood vaccine to autism. Anti-vax insanity in America comes from both the right and the left. It seems to be a position born of suspicion of science and distrust of authority.
320 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:43:15pm |
321 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:43:17pm |
re: #306 APox
""This is a preventable disease," says Sicilia, because there is a vaccine for whooping cough to protect those coming in contact with infants, and thereby protect the infants.
However, some parents are choosing to not vaccinate their children. "Is this vaccination common for children to have?
Well, you're talking to yourself.
But, Whooping Cough is a PREVENTABLE disease, with vaccinations being given to children at 6 months. HOWEVER, Whooping Cough is currently at epidemic proportions in California.
IIRC, 9 children 2 months & younger have died this year. ExtraSad losses for the families, because it's preventable!
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
322 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:43:51pm |
Virginia's 10th congressional district.
Frank Wolf(R) vs. Jeff Barnett(D) vs. Bill Redpath(L)
Must do more research.
323 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:44:14pm |
re: #306 APox
""This is a preventable disease," says Sicilia, because there is a vaccine for whooping cough to protect those coming in contact with infants, and thereby protect the infants.
However, some parents are choosing to not vaccinate their children. "Is this vaccination common for children to have?
Routine, I believe. And now it's law in California that 7th-12th graders must have a pertussis booster.
I got a booster last week, because I'm planning to get pregnant, plus, I work with kids.
324 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:44:56pm |
It's really great to hear about peoples travels in Canada. I have enjoyed my travels in the US too. I've driven down the West Coast a few times. I've also done a couple of driving trips across the northern US from Michigan to Washington, once through the route through N. Dakota and once through S. Dakota. Been around Florida a bit as well.
I'd like to do some East Coast trips at some point and hit places like DC and NY. There's also a chance that I may be driving down to Tennessee next year which would be cool.
325 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:46:09pm |
re: #324 Jadespring
It's really great to hear about peoples travels in Canada. I have enjoyed my travels in the US too. I've driven down the West Coast a few times. I've also done a couple of driving trips across the northern US from Michigan to Washington, once through the route through N. Dakota and once through S. Dakota. Been around Florida a bit as well.
I'd like to do some East Coast trips at some point and hit places like DC and NY. There's also a chance that I may be driving down to Tennessee next year which would be cool.
When I star my campaign for World Domination, I'll start with Canada.
You know, uranium reserves.
Lots of it.
;)
326 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:46:43pm |
re: #316 prairiefire
The two most handsome men I ever dated were as boring as hell.
LOL! Mine were, just more interested in themselves!
327 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:46:49pm |
re: #324 Jadespring
It's really great to hear about peoples travels in Canada. I have enjoyed my travels in the US too. I've driven down the West Coast a few times. I've also done a couple of driving trips across the northern US from Michigan to Washington, once through the route through N. Dakota and once through S. Dakota. Been around Florida a bit as well.
I'd like to do some East Coast trips at some point and hit places like DC and NY. There's also a chance that I may be driving down to Tennessee next year which would be cool.
NYC- Broadway, Pizza and canolis in Brooklyn,
You're life will change.
328 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:47:21pm |
re: #322 Varek Raith
Virginia's 10th congressional district.
Frank Wolf(R) vs. Jeff Barnett(D) vs. Bill Redpath(L)
Must do more research.
That's my district. Don't know much about Barnett but Wolf's been here since 1980. Maybe Barnett will do ok since there's an anti incumbent feeling but I dunno. Don't see BArnett winning though. Redpath is the former national LP chairman and he ran for governor the year Kaine and Kilgore did. I don't hate or really dislike Wolf that much since I give him some credit for sparking my interest in humanitarian isseus. When he spoke at my high school he talked about Darfur. He's a little too socially conservative for my liking though.
329 | What, me worry? Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:48:04pm |
re: #304 HappyWarrior
Believe it's where the Mets used to play.
I was born in Flushing at Booth Memorial Hospital. The 'rents are from Flatblush (over brookly red's way).
330 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:48:33pm |
re: #327 researchok
NYC- Broadway, Pizza and canolis in Brooklyn,
You're life will change.
Yes there's no way I'll go to NY and not see Broadway or eat genuine NY pizza!
331 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:48:50pm |
Now I'm hungry for smoked meat, poutine, pizza and canolis.
How pathetic is that??
332 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:48:58pm |
re: #325 Varek Raith
When I star my campaign for World Domination, I'll start with Canada.
You know, uranium reserves.
Lots of it.
;)
The Death Star runs on fusion power. What do you need uranium for?
333 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:49:29pm |
re: #331 researchok
Now I'm hungry for smoked meat, poutine, pizza and canolis.
How pathetic is that??
Not at all, it's making me wish I ordered a pizza tonight instead of staying with my meal plan. Meh.
334 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:49:40pm |
re: #330 Jadespring
Yes there's no way I'll go to NY and not see Broadway or eat genuine NY pizza!
The experience will be overwhelming.
There is nothing like New York or New Yorkers.
Nothing.
335 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:49:54pm |
re: #325 Varek Raith
When I star my campaign for World Domination, I'll start with Canada.
You know, uranium reserves.
Lots of it.
;)
They're just north of me. I'll give you the royal Sith tour.
336 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:50:16pm |
re: #333 HappyWarrior
Not at all, it's making me wish I ordered a pizza tonight instead of staying with my meal plan. Meh.
We are a couple of losers, aren't we?
//
337 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:50:32pm |
re: #332 Dark_Falcon
The Death Star runs on fusion power. What do you need uranium for?
To deprive it from the rest to you monkeys.
:P
338 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:50:42pm |
re: #331 researchok
Now I'm hungry for smoked meat, poutine, pizza and canolis.
How pathetic is that??
Well I don't know about the availability of smoked meat but if you can get some proper cheese curds poutine is really easy to make.
339 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:50:51pm |
340 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:50:52pm |
re: #325 Varek Raith
When I star my campaign for World Domination, I'll start with Canada.
You know, uranium reserves.
Lots of it.
;)
Come hungry.
341 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:51:03pm |
There are plenty of places in the world I'd like to see, but there are many problems:
1) No time. I can't go to the local arts district that I've already been to countless times without spending 6 hours; it's a pretty safe bet that I wouldn't be able to scratch the dust off the surface of just about any city in Europe in less than a couple of weeks, and I only get two weeks paid time off per year, which brings us to:
2) No money. I don't know about you Rockerfellers, but and it would easily cost me about 3 months' pay to have anything resembling a non-stressful trip abroad, and I'd somehow have to come up with the extra cash to cover the rent and bills money I blew on the trip. I think the closest I ever came to killing someone was the time when a co-worker was complaining about how awful his month-long vacation in Europe was, because his parents only gave him $8,000 walking around money. And that was when the dollar was worth something.
3) Planes can crash, and F = ma
4) Ships can sink, and sharks do get hungry.
5) TSA.
That said, if I suddenly became disgustingly rich, I'd probably look into living in Prague.
342 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:51:34pm |
re: #336 researchok
We are a couple of losers, aren't we?
//
Heh, the day there's something wrong with craving pizza is the day all goes to hell.
343 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:51:52pm |
re: #338 Jadespring
Well I don't know about the availability of smoked meat but if you can get some proper cheese curds poutine is really easy to make.
I never thought of that.
I'll bet KT would turn out a masterpiece. He's a real deal foodie.
344 | TedStriker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:54:01pm |
re: #129 Killgore Trout
It is interesting to see the differences. The UK version of the Office was infinitely smarter than the American version. In general their TV is much better than ours. There's still a strong effort on British TV to educate. I love their food, cooking and gardening shows.
Love the military documentaries the Brits do and collaborate with folks like Discovery...The World at War (among others) is a classic.
345 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:54:48pm |
re: #342 HappyWarrior
Heh, the day there's something wrong with craving pizza is the day all goes to hell.
your faith has been noted...
346 | TedStriker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:54:48pm |
347 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:55:32pm |
re: #341 negativ
You could save up for 12 days in Prague. Just stay in one place so you can soak it all up. Hostels are inexpensive for staying. Shop at the local grocer and picnic in the parks.
Buying plane tickets for my two kids really kicks things out of the budget for us. I suppose they could hitchhike./
348 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:55:54pm |
re: #341 negativ
I've never traveled with tons of money. Most of my trips are budget, budget, budget. Heck I slept in my car on one of them. :)
Hostels, camping, cheaper hotels off the beaten tourist track and food from local markets/stores or the restaurants where the locals eat. I prefer that type of travel anyways because you get more of a 'real' experience rather then the one the place creates and promotes to tourists.
349 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:55:56pm |
re: #338 Jadespring
Well I don't know about the availability of smoked meat but if you can get some proper cheese curds poutine is really easy to make.
OK, I had to look it up:
( Canadian ) a dish of chipped potatoes topped with curd cheese and a tomato-based sauce
I get a little more international hanging around here. Ain't it cool?
350 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:56:01pm |
re: #347 prairiefire
You could save up for 12 days in Prague. Just stay in one place so you can soak it all up. Hostels are inexpensive for staying. Shop at the local grocer and picnic in the parks.
Buying plane tickets for my two kids really kicks things out of the budget for us. I suppose they could hitchhike./
Swim.
;)
351 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:56:06pm |
Here is something I have had some fun with recently. I set up a hotmail account and waited for spam to arrive. My favourite type is the one from some alleged barrister or solicitor breaking the wonderful news about a huge win in the national lottery, or the tragic death in a charter jet crash of a distant relative, who saw fit to bequeath me a huge fortune. In earlier iterations, I claimed to be a willing, if vaguely senile counterparty. This can get a really good dialogue going, with correspondence related to the mechanics of claiming my wealth. It's good fun, especially when I announce my imminent arrival in whatever country they claim as their residence, to claim my prize without the need to transfer money all over the ether. I don't hear from them after that point.
Recently, though, I have experimented with the processes these con artists use to reel you in. I have been in correspondence with a Mr Chong in Malaysia, but instead of actually engaing him, I simply stick his messages into Google Translate and send them back verbatim in either Azerbaijani or Vietnamese. He doesn't seem to notice. I anticipate much hilarity.
352 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:56:12pm |
re: #341 negativ
Why Prague?
Out of curiosity...
353 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:57:03pm |
re: #352 Floral Giraffe
Why Prague?
Out of curiosity...
It looks like something from a fairy tale, from the photos I've seen.
354 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:57:08pm |
re: #331 researchok
Now I'm hungry for smoked meat, poutine, pizza and canolis.
How pathetic is that??
Dammit, man. Now you have me wanting cannoli and smoked duck breast. And Newcastle Brown Ale.
355 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:58:04pm |
356 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:58:09pm |
re: #353 prairiefire
It looks like something from a fairy tale, from the photos I've seen.
A beautiful city with taxi drivers that will cheat you blind. Excellent food and drink, decent public transportation.
357 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:58:15pm |
re: #349 rwmofo
OK, I had to look it up:
( Canadian ) a dish of chipped potatoes topped with curd cheese and a tomato-based sauce
I get a little more international hanging around here. Ain't it cool?
And check this out: Montréal Poutine
358 | What, me worry? Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:58:52pm |
re: #339 prairiefire
Flatbush sounds like Nutbush:
[Video]
Nothing like it lol
Gawd, Tina is amazing, isn't she.
359 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 20, 2010 7:59:05pm |
re: #309 Obdicut
I don't. He's a global warming denier and his books are crap.
I just like top gear ;_;
(then again, I like Bill Maher's humor and he;s an anti-vaxer, and Penn and Teller's act despite their libertarian crazyassness)
360 | TedStriker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:00:01pm |
re: #201 jamesfirecat
I hear Hogan's Heroes does very well in Germany... which makes about as much sense of Medal of Honor Pacific Campaign selling well in Japan if you stop to think about it...
Slightly OT...Werner Klemperer (Col. Klink) was a bit of a Renaissance man, playing and conducting symphonies all over. Music ran in his family and was in his blood...
361 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:00:07pm |
re: #356 imp_62
A beautiful city with taxi drivers that will cheat you blind. Excellent food and drink, decent public transportation.
You have silvovitz(plum brandy) while you there? And I agree Czech cuisine is good. Plus tehre are a lot of beautiful women there too. Neighboring Slovakia isn't so bad either. I promise, you won't be kidnapped and tortured like in HOstel.
362 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:00:35pm |
re: #358 marjoriemoon
S*E*X*Y, right there. I thought Beyonce was quite a bit like her, when she started out.
363 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:00:57pm |
re: #315 jamesfirecat
But you'd look so fancy!
Luckily this is the internet, so I'm already ten feet tall and bulletproof. Throwing a whig on top of all this goodness just smacks of effort.
364 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:01:01pm |
re: #349 rwmofo
OK, I had to look it up:
( Canadian ) a dish of chipped potatoes topped with curd cheese and a tomato-based sauce
I get a little more international hanging around here. Ain't it cool?
Yes it's basically french fries, cheese and gravy. Most acknowledge that a true poutine has to have cheese curds but you will get arguments about the gravy. Some it's tomato based and for some it's chicken based. Poutine has become really popular to the point where it's even sold at some fast food places, however most 'poutines' at restaurants where I live don't use curds, they just use whatever grated cheese they have for other things and whatever gravy they have for other things. So it's not really a true poutine--just a bastardized version. It's still yummy though.
365 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:02:56pm |
366 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:03:13pm |
re: #361 HappyWarrior
You have silvovitz(plum brandy) while you there? And I agree Czech cuisine is good. Plus tehre are a lot of beautiful women there too. Neighboring Slovakia isn't so bad either. I promise, you won't be kidnapped and tortured like in HOstel.
Slivovits is best used to polish brass, if you ask me - dangerous stuff :p
For women in that corner of the world, you cannot beat Slovenia. But Czech women are very nice.
367 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:03:24pm |
re: #351 imp_62
There's a book about a guy who spends HOURS of his life corresponding with the Nigerians. It's funny, but do you REALLY want to use your precious time here, this way?
Here's an amazon linky..
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
368 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:03:34pm |
re: #365 rwmofo
Now I'm hungry. You bastard!
/
[Link: www.whats4eats.com...]
One of my favourite dishes when in a relevant locale.
369 | researchok Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:03:38pm |
370 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:03:42pm |
re: #357 researchok
And check this out: Montréal Poutine
Yeah Montreal and Quebec in general is where you can be more guarenteed to get a 'poutine' that actually has cheese curds in it. The rest of Canada is a bit a crap shoot if you get one from just any old restaurant. You're more likely to get grated cheese.
371 | What, me worry? Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:04:24pm |
re: #362 prairiefire
S*E*X*Y, right there. I thought Beyonce was quite a bit like her, when she started out.
Beyonce, I don't know. Tina reminds me, bizarrely, of Janis. It's like their music, their songs are them. They aren't just singing. They become every note.
372 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:04:29pm |
re: #367 Floral Giraffe
There's a book about a guy who spends HOURS of his life corresponding with the Nigerians. It's funny, but do you REALLY want to use your precious time here, this way?
Here's an amazon linky..
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
I remember reading the review about this; it is where I got the idea to mess with these guys in my free time. Funny, funny stuff.
373 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:05:08pm |
re: #371 marjoriemoon
Beyonce, I don't know. Tina reminds me, bizarrely, of Janis. It's like their music, their songs are them. They aren't just singing. They become every note.
Tina had MUCH better legs ;)
374 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:05:23pm |
re: #372 imp_62
Glad you have a hobby!
375 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:05:34pm |
re: #257 imp_62
In NY, there is always the Rent is Too Damn High Party. That Jimmy McMillan is starting to grow on me.
Hell yes.
After almost three years, the bank (which may be a front for Russian mafia, for all I know) that owns my car loan has decided to charge a $5 "transaction fee" every time I make an electronic payment (read: every time). This amounts to theft them increasing my loan by $5 extra per month just because they can. Never mind the fact that I have always paid more than the amount due, I can damn well guarantee that digitally bespooching money from my bank account to theirs doesn't cost them anything resembling $5 in overhead.
In capitalist America, bank robs you.
376 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:05:38pm |
re: #366 imp_62
Slivovits is best used to polish brass, if you ask me - dangerous stuff :p
For women in that corner of the world, you cannot beat Slovenia. But Czech women are very nice.
Haha tell me about it, my Slovenian great grandfather used to make his own during prohibition. I haven't seen too much Slovenian women but Donald Trump's current wife is from there and quite beautiful. Never been there. It's actually the only country I have ancestry in which I've never visited.
377 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:07:05pm |
re: #368 imp_62
[Link: www.whats4eats.com...]
One of my favourite dishes when in a relevant locale.
If I keep listening to you people, I'll need to change my name to "big fat rwmofo."
378 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:07:37pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
Would you like to translate that, because I'm not entirely sure what you just said?
I know a national park where you really wouldn't find much of anything to complain about. The people one meets are a fine bunch, with very, very rare exceptions.
Europeans included.
379 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:07:39pm |
re: #348 Jadespring
I've never traveled with tons of money. Most of my trips are budget, budget, budget. Heck I slept in my car on one of them. :)
Hostels, camping, cheaper hotels off the beaten tourist track and food from local markets/stores or the restaurants where the locals eat. I prefer that type of travel anyways because you get more of a 'real' experience rather then the one the place creates and promotes to tourists.
Grab a tent, rent a cheap car and drive the Po river valley. Good places to camp, great Italian food, lovely Italian women (or men, depending on your proclivities. I don't judge, I just calculate the tip).
380 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:08:45pm |
381 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:08:58pm |
re: #377 rwmofo
If I keep listening to you people, I'll need to change my name to "big fat rwmofo."
Then you'll cover the entire spectrum of political positions.
382 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:09:49pm |
Morticia says "Get out and vote!"[Link: imgur.com...]
Night, lizards.
383 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:10:25pm |
re: #381 b_sharp
Then you'll cover the entire spectrum of political positions.
ain't that called the varmint surta of something close?
384 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:10:27pm |
re: #375 negativ
Hell yes.
After almost three years, the bank (which may be a front for Russian mafia, for all I know) that owns my car loan has decided to charge a $5 "transaction fee" every time I make an electronic payment (read: every time). This amounts to
theftthem increasing my loan by $5 extra per month just because they can. Never mind the fact that I have always paid more than the amount due, I can damn well guarantee that digitally bespooching money from my bank account to theirs doesn't cost them anything resembling $5 in overhead.In capitalist America, bank robs you.
Have you ever asked them to waive the fee, or asked them if the re is a form of payment (automatic debit, e.g.) which does not carry a fee? Generally, fees like that are a calculated method to drive your payment behaviour.
385 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:11:25pm |
386 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:11:31pm |
re: #377 rwmofo
If I keep listening to you people, I'll need to change my name to "big fat rwmofo."
Life is too short for bad food and drink.
387 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:12:07pm |
389 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:13:23pm |
390 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:14:07pm |
391 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:14:24pm |
All tied up in SF.
Oh, umm, I'm talking about baseball.
392 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:14:31pm |
393 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:17:17pm |
re: #375 negativ
Hell yes.
After almost three years, the bank (which may be a front for Russian mafia, for all I know) that owns my car loan has decided to charge a $5 "transaction fee" every time I make an electronic payment (read: every time). This amounts to
theftthem increasing my loan by $5 extra per month just because they can. Never mind the fact that I have always paid more than the amount due, I can damn well guarantee that digitally bespooching money from my bank account to theirs doesn't cost them anything resembling $5 in overhead.In capitalist America, bank robs you.
But you could avoid that payment by appearing personally at their bank, in Nome, AK, at their regular hours, Thursdays 1:30-2:00 PM every February 29, and paying in coin.
So, it's on you if you use electronic payment.
(But seriously, what's a guy to do? Pay it off as fast as possible, tell everyone which bank, and never do business with them again, I guess. )
With that, here's my two bits, names changed to protect the guilty.
In my town, Bank of Audacity charges a fee to cash a check at their bank drawn on a BOA account. You have a choice: pay that fee, or deposit the check in your own account and wait until in the fullness of time, the amount is credited to yours. Somebody gains a free float.
394 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:17:38pm |
re: #391 rwmofo
All tied up in SF.
Oh, umm, I'm talking about baseball.
are we ready for a bondage thread? I don't think so...
395 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:17:39pm |
Did anyone else hear Dennis Miller go batshit crazy and say that Democrats would steal elections if they were close? I used to think he was funny, imagine.
396 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:19:10pm |
re: #380 imp_62
If you enjoy it, it's NOT sad!
It's only sad, if you don't enjoy it!
It's an INTENTIONAL choice on how you spend your time.
(SHOOT! that's me & LGF!)
397 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:19:59pm |
re: #395 imp_62
Did anyone else hear Dennis Miller go batshit crazy and say that Democrats would steal elections if they were close? I used to think he was funny, imagine.
/some people just get paranoid when thousands of ballots are found in the trunk of a car...
398 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:20:16pm |
re: #395 imp_62
Did anyone else hear Dennis Miller go batshit crazy and say that Democrats would steal elections if they were close? I used to think he was funny, imagine.
Most Democrats wouldn't, but some would. Here in Illinois a Republican needs to have a clear victory statewide. If the Republican was only ahead by 1500 votes, then 1700 would simply "turn up" in Chicago.
/I am not kidding.
399 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:20:38pm |
re: #391 rwmofo
All tied up in SF.
Oh, umm, I'm talking about baseball.
But, you wish you weren't talking baseball, is my guess!
400 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:22:32pm |
401 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:23:38pm |
re: #395 imp_62
Did anyone else hear Dennis Miller go batshit crazy and say that Democrats would steal elections if they were close? I used to think he was funny, imagine.
Maybe he was referring to the Al Franken chapter.
402 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:23:48pm |
re: #396 Floral Giraffe
If you enjoy it, it's NOT sad!
It's only sad, if you don't enjoy it!
It's an INTENTIONAL choice on how you spend your time.
(SHOOT! that's me & LGF!)
Whenever my choices bum me out, I say to myself it could always be worse: I could be a politician.
403 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:24:19pm |
re: #400 imp_62
Tinkerbell is imaginary. What YOU do with your time & energy is not.
Tink will survive!
404 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:24:31pm |
405 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:25:20pm |
re: #402 imp_62
Whenever my choices bum me out, I say to myself it could always be worse: I could be a politician.
And, it could be your ONLY job choice!
*shudder*
406 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:25:32pm |
re: #403 Floral Giraffe
Tinkerbell is imaginary....
Did you hear that thud? There goes another one :(
407 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:26:25pm |
re: #406 imp_62
Did you hear that thud? There goes another one :(
I thought that was a bird flying into the window.
408 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:26:59pm |
re: #400 imp_62
re: #397 brookly red
The two of you are making me sad and destroying my faith in the political process. I hope you know that whenever you say stuff like that, a fairy dies.
My heart bleeds for the fairies. I'm from Chicago, born and raised there. I l work in Chicago and I live in a Cook County suburb. Voter fraud is a real issue here. It's not just some "ELEVENTY!!1" thing.
409 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:27:00pm |
re: #406 imp_62
Did you hear that thud? There goes another one :(
Um, that was a flyswatter hit.
Sorry.
Thought it was a wasp in the room.
LOL!
410 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:28:16pm |
Well this discussion made me hungry too so I just got something to eat.
Roasted leek and dill cream cheese spread on a sliced baguette with a sprinkle of fresh dill on top.
My tummy is happy now.
411 | Henchman 25 Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:29:01pm |
Hopefully that fairies that are dying are of the magical balance variety!
///Don't hit!
412 | Henchman 25 Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:29:24pm |
re: #411 SteelPH
Hopefully the fairies that are dying are of the magical balance variety!
///Don't hit!
PIMF
413 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:29:30pm |
re: #397 brookly red
/some people just get paranoid when thousands of ballots are found in the trunk of a car...
I remember when that happened.
But I think it was in Korea.
414 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:29:42pm |
re: #407 b_sharp
I thought that was a bird flying into the window.
That has been happening to us more than we would like since we put up extra bird feeders. We have stickers on the windows and all, but when the hawks start circling, the natives get nervous.
I like the hawks, they are very impressive when they come barreling out of the sky and strike their prey on the ground, then take back to the air almost without breaking stride. My other preferred sightings are Northern Flickers and Carolina Wrens.
415 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:30:12pm |
re: #408 Dark_Falcon
My heart bleeds for the fairies. I'm from Chicago, born and raised there. I l work in Chicago and I live in a Cook County suburb. Voter fraud is a real issue here. It's not just some "ELEVENTY!!1" thing.
yeah, thats why they factor a 4 or 5 % margin in the polls... personally I would make election fraud a hanging offense.
416 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:31:08pm |
re: #401 rwmofo
Maybe he was referring to the Al Franken chapter.
Look, if you're gonna accuse Al Franken of stealing the election, I must have some kind of proof. I don't say this because I have any faith in the inherent honesty of Al Franken. I say this because his name keeps coming up when fraudulent elections are mentioned, and I ask for particulars, and people wander off to feed their cats.
417 | Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:31:10pm |
418 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:31:14pm |
re: #410 Jadespring
Well this discussion made me hungry too so I just got something to eat.
Roasted leek and dill cream cheese spread on a sliced baguette with a sprinkle of fresh dill on top.
My tummy is happy now.
Nice!
419 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:31:20pm |
re: #415 brookly red
yeah, thats why they factor a 4 or 5 % margin in the polls... personally I would make election fraud a hanging offense.
In that case there would be some politicians that were well hung.
420 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:32:15pm |
re: #413 SanFranciscoZionist
I remember when that happened.
But I think it was in Korea.
Stewart Smiley is in Korea? Damn I knew he was a commie but wow...
421 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:32:56pm |
re: #419 b_sharp
In that case there would be some politicians that were well hung.
we should start with Chad...
422 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:32:59pm |
re: #414 imp_62
That has been happening to us more than we would like since we put up extra bird feeders. We have stickers on the windows and all, but when the hawks start circling, the natives get nervous.
I like the hawks, they are very impressive when they come barreling out of the sky and strike their prey on the ground, then take back to the air almost without breaking stride. My other preferred sightings are Northern Flickers and Carolina Wrens.
Oh Lord. I have turned in to a crazy shut-in with a laptop and too many pets.
423 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:32:59pm |
re: #408 Dark_Falcon
My heart bleeds for the fairies. I'm from Chicago, born and raised there. I l work in Chicago and I live in a Cook County suburb. Voter fraud is a real issue here. It's not just some "ELEVENTY!!1" thing.
Chicago. This brings back memories - when I was living in Tampa. It was 1978. I was sitting on the front row in the end zone. The Bears' cheerleaders were called the "Honey Bears" then. They were only a few feet away. I think there was an NFL game going on that day. I can't remember why else I'd be sitting in the end zone on a Sunday afternoon. Ahhhh, Chicago - in Tampa. The Honey Bears. Oh yes.
424 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:33:37pm |
re: #395 imp_62
Did anyone else hear Dennis Miller go batshit crazy and say that Democrats would steal elections if they were close? I used to think he was funny, imagine.
Landslide Lyndon.
425 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:33:39pm |
re: #423 rwmofo
Chicago. This brings back memories - when I was living in Tampa. It was 1978. I was sitting on the front row in the end zone. The Bears' cheerleaders were called the "Honey Bears" then. They were only a few feet away. I think there was an NFL game going on that day. I can't remember why else I'd be sitting in the end zone on a Sunday afternoon. Ahhh, Chicago - in Tampa. The Honey Bears. Oh yes.
I want what he's having. lol
427 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:34:09pm |
Conservatives hate Al Frabken because they have no answer for him. he's smarter than they are, he knows procedure better than they do, and he's funnier than they are
So of course the usual sewage of al Franken stealing the election, because they got nothing
428 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:34:44pm |
re: #419 b_sharp
In that case there would be some politicians that were well hung.
Not sure about pols, but Brett Favre is only average. Not sure why he would want to send around pictures of his junk.
429 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:35:06pm |
re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist
Look, if you're gonna accuse Al Franken of stealing the election, I must have some kind of proof. I don't say this because I have any faith in the inherent honesty of Al Franken. I say this because his name keeps coming up when fraudulent elections are mentioned, and I ask for particulars, and people wander off to feed their cats.
Heh.
430 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:35:22pm |
re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist
Look, if you're gonna accuse Al Franken of stealing the election, I must have some kind of proof. I don't say this because I have any faith in the inherent honesty of Al Franken. I say this because his name keeps coming up when fraudulent elections are mentioned, and I ask for particulars, and people wander off to feed their cats.
The main particular is that Franken was behind by the kind of margin from which recovery was statistically impossible.
It's like when somebody wins the lottery six times. You can't prove anything but the sheer improbability of it reeks.
431 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:35:50pm |
re: #427 WindUpBird
Conservatives hate Al Frabken because they have no answer for him. he's smarter than they are, he knows procedure better than they do, and he's funnier than they are
So of course the usual sewage of al Franken stealing the election, because they got nothing
Wasn't it the court during a recount that decided he won? And wasn't it his opponent who tried to wriggle his way in?
432 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:35:50pm |
re: #423 rwmofo
Chicago. This brings back memories - when I was living in Tampa. It was 1978. I was sitting on the front row in the end zone. The Bears' cheerleaders were called the "Honey Bears" then. They were only a few feet away. I think there was an NFL game going on that day. I can't remember why else I'd be sitting in the end zone on a Sunday afternoon. Ahhh, Chicago - in Tampa. The Honey Bears. Oh yes.
The Bears got rid of their cheerleaders a few years afterwards. They had no need for them, given that they weren't really a draw.
433 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:35:58pm |
re: #428 imp_62
Not sure about pols, but Brett Favre is only average. Not sure why he would want to send around pictures of his junk.
rich + average = huge
434 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:36:33pm |
re: #430 lostlakehiker
The main particular is that Franken was behind by the kind of margin from which recovery was statistically impossible.
It's like when somebody wins the lottery six times. You can't prove anything but the sheer improbability of it reeks.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
435 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:36:34pm |
re: #428 imp_62
Not sure about pols, but Brett Favre is only average. Not sure why he would want to send around pictures of his junk.
Distorted self image?
436 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:36:44pm |
re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist
Look, if you're gonna accuse Al Franken of stealing the election, I must have some kind of proof. I don't say this because I have any faith in the inherent honesty of Al Franken. I say this because his name keeps coming up when fraudulent elections are mentioned, and I ask for particulars, and people wander off to feed their cats.
Basically they wanted Norm Coleman to win, and he lost, and they're sore and their penis hurts and by the way did you know being a comedian is somehow grounds for expulsion from the senate according to Radio Laser of Common Sense, the exalted golden throat of Rush Gordon Levannity
437 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:37:00pm |
438 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:37:27pm |
439 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:38:02pm |
re: #427 WindUpBird
Conservatives hate Al Frabken because they have no answer for him. he's smarter than they are, he knows procedure better than they do, and he's funnier than they are
So of course the usual sewage of al Franken stealing the election, because they got nothing
Oh, I grant that he's smarter than me, and for sure, funnier. Damned few people are as smart as a top comedian. None are funnier, apart from the other handful of top comedians. But somehow or other he won an election in the recount, when no recount in recorded history had yielded anything like the change that was certified in his case. Franken, himself, surely had nothing to do with it. But neither did chance.
440 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:38:04pm |
re: #430 lostlakehiker
The main particular is that Franken was behind by the kind of margin from which recovery was statistically impossible.
It's like when somebody wins the lottery six times. You can't prove anything but the sheer improbability of it reeks.
Nonsense. They were very close and there was a question about absentee votes being correctly counted.
441 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:39:10pm |
It could all be cleared up once and for all with a standard voting process based on SS# + ID... then there would be no issue ever again.
442 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:39:31pm |
The Truth about Voter Fraud
[Link: www.truthaboutfraud.org...]
Death records.
Voting from the grave offers salacious headlines, and investigators often attempt to match death records to voter rolls in an attempt to produce purported evidence of fraud. Yet in addition to the problems with inaccurate matching identified above, a simple match of death records to voter rolls may conceal citizens who voted before dying, in quite ordinary fashion. In Maryland in 1995, for example, an exhaustive investigation revealed that of 89 alleged deceased voters, none were actually dead at the time the
ballot was cast. The federal agent in charge of the investigation said that the nearest they came was when they “found one person who had voted then died a week after the election.”36 Similarly, in New Hampshire,
postcards were sent to the addresses of citizens who voted in the 2004 general election; one card was returned as undeliverable because the voter died after Election Day, but before the postcard arrived at her home.37
[Link: www.truthaboutfraud.org...]
The Myth of Voter Fraud
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
443 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:40:09pm |
444 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:41:08pm |
re: #442 webevintage
Voter fraud is nothing more than a Potemkin Village to provide solace to the losers of close elections.
445 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:41:43pm |
re: #347 prairiefire
You could save up for 12 days in Prague.
Not realistically. I'm already saving up for:
1) Unexpected Cataclysmic Car Repair Bill
2) Sudden, Unexpected Loss Of Job
3) Major Illness or Injury of knuckleheaded Canid who amounts to the entirety of my social circle
4) Some permutation of the aforementioned
446 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:42:05pm |
re: #424 lostlakehiker
Landslide Lyndon.
When all else fails, bring up Lyndon Johnson's 1948 Senate runoff against another Democrat. That sure proves...well, mostly that Lyndon was a cast-iron SOB.
Jesus H.
447 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:42:11pm |
re: #444 imp_62
Voter fraud is nothing more than a Potemkin Village to provide solace to the losers of close elections.
really so lets do the national ID & fix it once and for all.
448 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:42:34pm |
re: #445 negativ
Not realistically. I'm already saving up for:
1) Unexpected Cataclysmic Car Repair Bill
2) Sudden, Unexpected Loss Of Job
3) Major Illness or Injury of knuckleheaded Canid who amounts to the entirety of my social circle
4) Some permutation of the aforementioned
And 6 sets of Glenn Beck recommended beef stroganoff survival meal packs.
449 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:42:52pm |
re: #431 b_sharp
Wasn't it the court during a recount that decided he won? And wasn't it his opponent who tried to wriggle his way in?
Yes and yes and Colman was all "well Franken should just give in" when Colman thought he was ahead...but once it became clear that Colman might not be ahead magically Colman did not think conceding was such a good idea..
450 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:43:17pm |
re: #439 lostlakehiker
Oh, I grant that he's smarter than me, and for sure, funnier. Damned few people are as smart as a top comedian. None are funnier, apart from the other handful of top comedians. But somehow or other he won an election in the recount, when no recount in recorded history had yielded anything like the change that was certified in his case. Franken, himself, surely had nothing to do with it. But neither did chance.
Quite Concur. Those "missing ballots" being found stunk to high heaven. That alone is clear and convincing evidence of fraud to me.
451 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:43:29pm |
re: #427 WindUpBird
Conservatives hate Al Frabken because they have no answer for him. he's smarter than they are, he knows procedure better than they do, and he's funnier than they are
So of course the usual sewage of al Franken stealing the election, because they got nothing
I'm inclined to call sewage as well, if no one can give me some evidence. And no one has ever given me any evidence.
I am still willing to look at the evidence. Evidence?
452 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:43:46pm |
re: #447 brookly red
really so lets do the national ID & fix it once and for all.
You are begging the question. I would first require real proof that it is broken, before I volunteer even an iota of the little bit of privacy I have left to the state.
453 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:43:48pm |
454 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:44:16pm |
re: #430 lostlakehiker
The main particular is that Franken was behind by the kind of margin from which recovery was statistically impossible.
It's like when somebody wins the lottery six times. You can't prove anything but the sheer improbability of it reeks.
In other words, there's absolutely nothing.
455 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:45:23pm |
re: #441 brookly red
It could all be cleared up once and for all with a standard voting process based on SS# + ID... then there would be no issue ever again.
Oh, what bullshit. We could do that, and there would still be accusations at every turn. Because some people can't stand losing a damn election.
456 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:45:58pm |
re: #452 imp_62
You are begging the question. I would first require real proof that it is broken, before I volunteer even an iota of the little bit of privacy I have left to the state.
1 person, 1 SS#, 1 ID, 1 vote... nothing less is beyond suspicion.
457 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:46:01pm |
re: #432 Dark_Falcon
The Bears got rid of their cheerleaders a few years afterwards. They had no need for them, given that they weren't really a draw.
Coincidentally, I got to fly with the Broncos in '86 to their KC game. My brother won two tickets (hotel, etc) and took me. I asked why he didn't take his wife. He said that no women could go. ??? No cheerleaders were on the flight either. I think there was an issue with some former cheerleaders and they were trying to refresh their image - or something.
458 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:46:33pm |
re: #447 brookly red
really so lets do the national ID & fix it once and for all.
Sounds great! Let's see what the wave of Tea Party darling about to sweep into Congress on the shoulders of a pissed-off electorate have to say about federally issued ID.
459 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:46:47pm |
re: #84 Obdicut
Russia is both Europe and Asia, and when talking about WWII, is generally not referred to as "Europe". Besides, when you talk about "Europe" being grateful for our military, you really just mean Western Europe, since we never got anywhere near Eastern Europe.
Do you get my point that saying that the Europeans should be grateful for our help during WWII is kind of nuts? They didn't sit back and wait for rescue, they fought tooth and fucking nail. The French collapsed due to bad generalship, but they also had just lost-- as had most countries in Europe-- an entire generation of young men in WWI.
The French collapsed for reasons that went beyond bad generalship. The art historian Kenneth Clark reported in later life that he'd been to France and he'd come back and met with Churchill, Spring 1940 before the storm broke, and he'd reported that he'd sensed that the French just weren't going to fight. And Churchill just gave him this bleak look, as in, yes, I know that, and now what?
A single Vietnamese battalion held Rommel's Panzer division at the Meuse crossing for a whole day. Meanwhile, whole French divisions simply melted away at the sight of German tanks. Divisions that themselves had more tanks. The fall of France was not a matter of a couple of bad generals having some bad days.
Poland put up a much sterner fight. Relative to her very meager resources, so did Norway.
Belgium and Denmark and the Netherlands I'll give you. They never had a chance.
460 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:46:57pm |
re: #448 imp_62
And 6 sets of Glenn Beck recommended beef stroganoff survival meal packs.
Do they sell something besides stroganoff? I like stroganoff fine, but after a while...
461 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:47:10pm |
re: #452 imp_62
You are begging the question. I would first require real proof that it is broken, before I volunteer even an iota of the little bit of privacy I have left to the state.
There may have been in the past BUT not within say the last 20 years.
But whatever, brown people and Mickey Mouse might try to vote when not actually registered because trying to vote and actually voting is the same fucking thing.
/
462 | darthstar Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:47:37pm |
Damn...my heart is still beating fast...that was a hell of a ninth inning. Go Giants!
463 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:47:51pm |
re: #443 Obdicut
Bullshit.
Fucking back up the ridiculous claims for once.
Jesus christ.
You might ask the Wall Street Journal about it. This is NOT a ridiculous claim. it's simply history. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
464 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:47:59pm |
re: #456 brookly red
1 person, 1 SS#, 1 ID, 1 vote... nothing less is beyond suspicion.
But how would people be able to live with themselves if they didn't fantasize that the candidate they disliked was elected by dead people and cartoon characters?
465 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:48:27pm |
re: #455 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, what bullshit. We could do that, and there would still be accusations at every turn. Because some people can't stand losing a damn election.
well at least there would be proof... I suspect everyone that is against election transparency. It's so easy with today's technology the mere fact that anyone would disprove is suspicious to me... just saying.
466 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:48:31pm |
re: #450 Dark_Falcon
Those would be the missing ballots Franken called for a full investigation into?
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
There were various missing ballots. Their statistical significance was about par. So why the fuck, why on earth, how the hell do you conclude from that that there was obvious fraud, and why in the living hell do you assume that, if there was fraud, that it came from Franken?
For the love of god.
467 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:49:05pm |
re: #463 lostlakehiker
You might ask the Wall Street Journal about it. This is NOT a ridiculous claim. it's simply history. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
Then cite it, please.
468 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:49:06pm |
re: #458 SanFranciscoZionist
Sounds great! Let's see what the wave of Tea Party darling about to sweep into Congress on the shoulders of a pissed-off electorate have to say about federally issued ID.
do you have a passport?
469 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:49:52pm |
re: #430 lostlakehiker
The main particular is that Franken was behind by the kind of margin from which recovery was statistically impossible.
It's like when somebody wins the lottery six times. You can't prove anything but the sheer improbability of it reeks.
You got a link there, Nate Silver? Or is this just another one of those things you feel in your gut?
470 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:49:52pm |
re: #465 brookly red
well at least there would be proof... I suspect everyone that is against election transparency. It's so easy with today's technology the mere fact that anyone would disprove is suspicious to me... just saying.
So, seriously, you think Republicans would ever allow a federal ID process? I think they'd scream bloody murder.
471 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:49:53pm |
re: #444 imp_62
Voter fraud is nothing more than a Potemkin Village to provide solace to the losers of close elections.
Well we can all relax in a couple weeks, because this one won't be close.
472 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:49:57pm |
re: #450 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur. Those "missing ballots" being found stunk to high heaven. That alone is clear and convincing evidence of fraud to me.
Come off it D_F. Sour grapes do not look good on you.
Show evidence that fraud occurred. I followed that case, sort of, and I saw no evidence of fraud and did not hear the court even suspect there was fraud.
473 | avanti Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:50:11pm |
Pam is unhappy:
"How afraid they are of one little Jewish bigmouth with a blog in New Jack City"
UPDATE: Christine O'Donnell has caved to Salon. No, this is not satire. She actually removed my endorsement from her endorsement page. That took, what? Five minutes? Unbelievable, caving to the crazies at Salon whose currency is destroying voices of reason. It is a pity that a "maverick" and "outsider" would lack any spine and exhibit such incredible political cowardice. ENDORSEMENT WITHDRAWN. It's a shame that this is the quality of people we have representing us against the Obama machine. How can we win? "
474 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:50:23pm |
She's laying face down drunk in the street! LOL! I like these ONION roundtables.
475 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:50:31pm |
re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist
Do they sell something besides stroganoff? I like stroganoff fine, but after a while...
I think the post-Armageddon protein progression is
a) Beck's Beef Stroganoff
b) Your dog
c) Your neighbour's dog
d) Your neighbour.
476 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:50:53pm |
re: #468 brookly red
do you have a passport?
Yes. Did you answer my question? Seriously, in this climate, imagine the TPers reponse were such a thing required.
477 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:50:54pm |
re: #470 SanFranciscoZionist
So, seriously, you think Republicans would ever allow a federal ID process? I think they'd scream bloody murder.
do you have a passport?
478 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:51:05pm |
Voter Fraud Resources from The Brennan Center
[Link: www.truthaboutfraud.org...]
479 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:51:36pm |
re: #436 WindUpBird
Basically they wanted Norm Coleman to win, and he lost, and they're sore and their penis hurts and by the way did you know being a comedian is somehow grounds for expulsion from the senate according to Radio Laser of Common Sense, the exalted golden throat of Rush Gordon Levannity
Especially if you're a comedian with a degree in govt from Harvard. Clearly not up to the O'Donnell/Angle/Palin standard now being set.
480 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:51:43pm |
re: #473 avanti
Pam is unhappy:
"How afraid they are of one little Jewish bigmouth with a blog in New Jack City"
UPDATE: Christine O'Donnell has caved to Salon. No, this is not satire. She actually removed my endorsement from her endorsement page. That took, what? Five minutes? Unbelievable, caving to the crazies at Salon whose currency is destroying voices of reason. It is a pity that a "maverick" and "outsider" would lack any spine and exhibit such incredible political cowardice. ENDORSEMENT WITHDRAWN. It's a shame that this is the quality of people we have representing us against the Obama machine. How can we win? "
NEW JACK CITY?
Oh, for the love of all that's holy.
481 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:51:55pm |
re: #477 brookly red
do you have a passport?
Yes and not only that, I have to show it every time I go to Canada!
482 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:52:13pm |
re: #456 brookly red
1 person, 1 SS#, 1 ID, 1 vote... nothing less is beyond suspicion.
No system is perfect. And any perfect system would be fascist. But at least the trains would run on time, right? Unless we ended up with Italian fascism. Then we would simply fucked and late.
483 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:52:14pm |
re: #475 imp_62
I think the post-Armageddon protein progression is
a) Beck's Beef Stroganoff
b) Your dog
c) Your neighbour's dog
d) Your neighbour.
I would move ahead to the neighbor. I like dogs too much. Also, if it's a decent sized dog, could help in hunting other neighbors.
484 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:52:15pm |
re: #476 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes. Did you answer my question? Seriously, in this climate, imagine the TPers reponse were such a thing required.
then you have federally issued ID... no big thing. I just want people to show it when they vote.
485 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:52:25pm |
re: #463 lostlakehiker
You might ask the Wall Street Journal about it. This is NOT a ridiculous claim. it's simply history. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
Show us the evidence.
486 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:52:29pm |
re: #467 Obdicut
Then cite it, please.
Within the past month, WSJ ran an article in which it was mentioned, as uncontested simple fact, that the Franken election had been stolen. There isn't any controversy here. But I don't write down page numbers and dates for every story. If you care, you can get it from a library. But you won't accept that story, because it doesn't cite particulars either. It doesn't have to. Everybody knows, and has seen the proof.
I rather suspect that the left knows too, in its heart. But hey, a win is a win is a win, and better still if anyone who brings up how that win became a win is silenced.
487 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:52:43pm |
re: #439 lostlakehiker
Oh, I grant that he's smarter than me, and for sure, funnier. Damned few people are as smart as a top comedian. None are funnier, apart from the other handful of top comedians. But somehow or other he won an election in the recount, when no recount in recorded history had yielded anything like the change that was certified in his case. Franken, himself, surely had nothing to do with it. But neither did chance.
Still waiting for some linkage.
488 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:52:58pm |
re: #480 SanFranciscoZionist
NEW JACK CITY?
Oh, for the love of all that's holy.
Where is New Jack City? Is that a Jersey thing?
Shmush shmush.
489 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:52:58pm |
re: #471 rwmofo
Well we can all relax in a couple weeks, because this one won't be close.
Well that's the problem.
We are all being assured a Republican sweep.
Might happen, might not.
If it does not the TeaGOP Party will be screaming "ACORN VOTER FRAUD" and refuse to admit that the polls just. might. be. wrong.
490 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:53:22pm |
re: #477 brookly red
do you have a passport?
Yes, but you're still not answering my question. Tell me what the New Republicans who are going to be surging into DC on a platform of 'fuck the Feds' in a couple weeks will say if people are told they must have a passport to vote.
Seriously. This is one of the major reasons I see why this will not happen any time soon.
491 | bratwurst Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:53:42pm |
492 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:53:58pm |
re: #486 lostlakehiker
Within the past month, WSJ ran an article in which it was mentioned, as uncontested simple fact, that the Franken election had been stolen. There isn't any controversy here. But I don't write down page numbers and dates for every story. If you care, you can get it from a library. But you won't accept that story, because it doesn't cite particulars either. It doesn't have to. Everybody knows, and has seen the proof.
I rather suspect that the left knows too, in its heart. But hey, a win is a win is a win, and better still if anyone who brings up how that win became a win is silenced.
Erm. I don't think the Rupert Murdoch owned WSJ can realistically claim to be the objective paper of record.
493 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:54:01pm |
re: #411 SteelPH
Hopefully that fairies that are dying are of the magical balance variety!
///Don't hit!
Can I smoosh?
Pretty please?
Nice to see you posting!
494 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:54:16pm |
re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist
You got a cat or something?
No. I just don't currently have the energy to dig up the FrankenFraud links. The beer buzz is wearing off from meeting my buds at happy hour and I don't really feeling like sparring right now. That could change, however.
495 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:54:22pm |
re: #484 brookly red
then you have federally issued ID... no big thing. I just want people to show it when they vote.
Can you answer my question?
I'm not saying I object to the idea. I'm saying that the political right in this country would be united with the political left in NOT DOING IT.
Do you understand why I think that?
496 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:54:27pm |
re: #486 lostlakehiker
SO in other words, you have no proof, and you attempted to cite an article-- which I'm betting was an op-ed-- that had no proof. Or even evidence. Of any sort.
And apparently, it's somehow high and mighty of me to say that you're bullshitting when you bullshit without any proof or evidence.
Give me a fucking break.
If everyone knows, and everyone has seen the proof, then just fucking cite the proof. How is this hard?
Oh right, because it didn't actually happen, and there is nothing to cite.
Fucking asinine.
497 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:54:28pm |
re: #450 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur. Those "missing ballots" being found stunk to high heaven. That alone is clear and convincing evidence of fraud to me.
So ACORN of some other Alinskyite group just fabricated ballots?
Don't you need more than a gut feeling to claim someone stole an election?
498 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:55:08pm |
re: #488 Alouette
Where is New Jack City? Is that a Jersey thing?
Shmush shmush.
Oh, Alouette. Do you have a good Chakchouka recipe?
499 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:55:09pm |
re: #463 lostlakehiker
You might ask the Wall Street Journal about it. This is NOT a ridiculous claim. it's simply history. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
In your mind.
500 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:55:23pm |
re: #490 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, but you're still not answering my question. Tell me what the New Republicans who are going to be surging into DC on a platform of 'fuck the Feds' in a couple weeks will say if people are told they must have a passport to vote.
Seriously. This is one of the major reasons I see why this will not happen any time soon.
stop blaming the Rs... and deal with the issue. The fact they they don't want it should make you all for it... unless of course
501 | darthstar Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:55:30pm |
re: #474 Amory Blaine
She's laying face down drunk in the street! LOL! I like these ONION roundtables.
It's actually not that hard to do (laying face down drunk in the street in a foreign country)...though I wouldn't recommend doing it more than once.
502 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:56:06pm |
re: #486 lostlakehiker
Within the past month, WSJ ran an article in which it was mentioned, as uncontested simple fact, that the Franken election had been stolen. There isn't any controversy here. But I don't write down page numbers and dates for every story. If you care, you can get it from a library. But you won't accept that story, because it doesn't cite particulars either. It doesn't have to. Everybody knows, and has seen the proof.
I rather suspect that the left knows too, in its heart. But hey, a win is a win is a win, and better still if anyone who brings up how that win became a win is silenced.
"Everybody knows".
That's contemptible. You have no evidence, no links, but you have accepted it as fact because it's politically comfortable for you.
I rather suspect that you know that, too, in your heart.
I have no more time for this crap. If you're going to accuse a man of a crime, you must have some actual proof.
And this would look much better if you could provide ANY sort of link or evidence. This is the closest you have gotten, after months of routinely accusing Franken of voter fraud.
503 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:56:11pm |
re: #306 APox
""This is a preventable disease," says Sicilia, because there is a vaccine for whooping cough to protect those coming in contact with infants, and thereby protect the infants.
However, some parents are choosing to not vaccinate their children. "Is this vaccination common for children to have?
Common, indeed, universal apart from nutter parents. It's part of the DPT package: diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), tetanus. Vaccination is a triumph of the human mind and a universal good. Vaccination is patriotism, taking the side of humanity against indiscriminate killing nanomachines that kill simply because it is their nature to kill. Without malice but without pity.
505 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:56:56pm |
re: #488 Alouette
Where is New Jack City? Is that a Jersey thing?
Shmush shmush.
It was a rap/crime type film back in the late eighties, with, I think, Wesley Snipes.
506 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:56:57pm |
re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist
Lost cats, in my old neighborhood were coyote lunch!
So sorry, you lost your cat, but it's gone now.
You should've taken better care of your pet.
(You could say the same of their kids, but they didn't get eaten...)
507 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:57:14pm |
Goggle:
[Link: politics.usnews.com...]
Like Clockwork Conservaties Return to Voter Fraud
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
508 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:57:21pm |
re: #477 brookly red
do you have a passport?
A couple. And none of them are a perfect form of identification, even the ones that store bio-data like fingerprints etc.
509 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:57:55pm |
re: #471 rwmofo
Well we can all relax in a couple weeks, because this one won't be close.
You're right. Reactionary white backlash will have a few more days in the sun, as it slowly disappears.
Nov. 2--the day the gop went completely nuts.
510 | darthstar Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:58:22pm |
re: #504 Amory Blaine
What? Al Franken stole the election?
That recount showed the true colors of today's Republicans and Norm Coleman specifically...Screw integrity - fight to the death...and die.
512 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:58:28pm |
re: #487 palomino
Still waiting for some linkage.
Could it be this one from July maybe?
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
If it is then it doesn't have much to do with Franken himself 'stealing' the election.
513 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:58:38pm |
re: #494 rwmofo
No. I just don't currently have the energy to dig up the FrankenFraud links. The beer buzz is wearing off from meeting my buds at happy hour and I don't really feeling like sparring right now. That could change, however.
Whatever. I am sick of this crap. If you feel like offering any solid information about this big election steal that everone knows about, let me know.
I was open-minded about this for a long time. I asked for information. I got nothing but 'well, it HAS to have been election fraud'. I am running out of open-mindedness.
514 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:58:57pm |
515 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:59:03pm |
re: #509 palomino
You're right. Reactionary white backlash will have a few more days in the sun, as it slowly disappears.
Nov. 2--the day the gop went completely nuts.
Oh no. This is going to springboard their real push for 2012.
516 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:59:22pm |
re: #489 webevintage
Well that's the problem.
We are all being assured a Republican sweep.
Might happen, might not.
If it does not the TeaGOP Party will be screaming "ACORN VOTER FRAUD" and refuse to admit that the polls just. might. be. wrong.
It's not that the polls might be wrong, but that voter opinion might shift. Republicans are already energized. Democrats, watching from the sidelines, may weigh in after all. The prospect of nutters like Rand Paul or COD in Congress ought to energize them.
Please, Democrats, stop us from winning these races. For your sake, for the sake of the nation, and because at the moment, sadly, we cannot protect our own virtue by throwing the race.
517 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:59:31pm |
518 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:59:43pm |
re: #500 brookly red
stop blaming the Rs... and deal with the issue. The fact they they don't want it should make you all for it... unless of course
I don't think Democrats would go for it either, my fellow registered Democrat. As my post above indicates. But they are not the ones whining voter fraud all the damn time.
519 | bratwurst Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:59:48pm |
re: #513 SanFranciscoZionist
Whatever. I am sick of this crap. If you feel like offering any solid information about this big election steal that everone knows about, let me know.
.
Well, to be fair...he DOES have a good excuse, his happy hour buzz wearing off and all.
520 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:59:53pm |
re: #486 lostlakehiker
Within the past month, WSJ ran an article in which it was mentioned, as uncontested simple fact, that the Franken election had been stolen. There isn't any controversy here. But I don't write down page numbers and dates for every story. If you care, you can get it from a library. But you won't accept that story, because it doesn't cite particulars either. It doesn't have to. Everybody knows, and has seen the proof.
I rather suspect that the left knows too, in its heart. But hey, a win is a win is a win, and better still if anyone who brings up how that win became a win is silenced.
So as long as it was mentioned, by somebody somewhere, then you'll buy it?
521 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 8:59:55pm |
re: #500 brookly red
stop blaming the Rs... and deal with the issue. The fact they they don't want it should make you all for it... unless of course
And by the way, fuck your insinuation.
522 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:00:37pm |
re: #508 imp_62
A couple. And none of them are a perfect form of identification, even the ones that store bio-data like fingerprints etc.
Thank you, OK so one more reason we need a national ID as if voter fraud was not enough we got simple identity theft too...
523 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:00:56pm |
re: #486 lostlakehiker
Within the past month, WSJ ran an article in which it was mentioned, as uncontested simple fact, that the Franken election had been stolen. There isn't any controversy here. But I don't write down page numbers and dates for every story. If you care, you can get it from a library. But you won't accept that story, because it doesn't cite particulars either. It doesn't have to. Everybody knows, and has seen the proof.
I rather suspect that the left knows too, in its heart. But hey, a win is a win is a win, and better still if anyone who brings up how that win became a win is silenced.
Do you realize how poor this argument sounds? You have no evidence beyond somebody somewhere sounded like they were convinced it was true so, by golly, it must be true.
524 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:01:24pm |
re: #512 Jadespring
Could it be this one from July maybe?
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
If it is then it doesn't have much to do with Franken himself 'stealing' the election.
I never said Franken himself had any hand in it. That's most unlikely. BUT, swings of 1000 votes are also MOST unlikely. The normal run of recounts sees a swing of a handful of votes. Almost always less than 100.
525 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:01:57pm |
re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist
And by the way, fuck your insinuation.
touche, all I am saying is give law a chance....
526 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:02:05pm |
re: #496 Obdicut
SO in other words, you have no proof, and you attempted to cite an article-- which I'm betting was an op-ed-- that had no proof. Or even evidence. Of any sort.
And apparently, it's somehow high and mighty of me to say that you're bullshitting when you bullshit without any proof or evidence.
Give me a fucking break.
If everyone knows, and everyone has seen the proof, then just fucking cite the proof. How is this hard?
Oh right, because it didn't actually happen, and there is nothing to cite.
Fucking asinine.
Look, in Limbaugh Land, there's no need for proof that Stewart Smalley (haha, never gets old) stole the election. So who the fuck do you think you are asking for proof?
527 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:02:25pm |
re: #520 palomino
So as long as it was mentioned, by somebody somewhere, then you'll buy it?
That's not the point. I read the evidence at the time. So did most of you. I know, and you know. Swings that big aren't in the cards unless the deck is stacked.
528 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:02:47pm |
re: #522 brookly red
Thank you, OK so one more reason we need a national ID as if voter fraud was not enough we got simple identity theft too...
What system do you have in mind? Insert RFID chips in every citizen at birth? Forgive me for getting nervous when people suggest ever better ways to catalogue and track individuals. I would rather live with a few malcontents bugging out their eyes and yelling "voter fraud" every so often.
529 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:03:31pm |
re: #514 Obdicut
As I figured. An op-ed.
What a fucking joke.
Yeah...so not really an investigative article but one from a guy with an ax to grind.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
530 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:03:52pm |
re: #459 lostlakehiker
The French collapsed for reasons that went beyond bad generalship. The art historian Kenneth Clark reported in later life that he'd been to France and he'd come back and met with Churchill, Spring 1940 before the storm broke, and he'd reported that he'd sensed that the French just weren't going to fight. And Churchill just gave him this bleak look, as in, yes, I know that, and now what?
A single Vietnamese battalion held Rommel's Panzer division at the Meuse crossing for a whole day. Meanwhile, whole French divisions simply melted away at the sight of German tanks. Divisions that themselves had more tanks. The fall of France was not a matter of a couple of bad generals having some bad days.
Poland put up a much sterner fight. Relative to her very meager resources, so did Norway.
Belgium and Denmark and the Netherlands I'll give you. They never had a chance.
At the same time, it should be noted that some French troops did fight hard. The detached Maginot fortress near Sedan held out until the it was stormed by the Germans. None of the defenders survived; German anti-fortress assault tactics placed a strong value on flamethrowers and were very brutal, the intent being to scare other defenders into surrendering sooner.
531 | avanti Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:03:56pm |
Looks like the GOP is gearing up for hearings to pursue their anti-science agenda:
"Congressional Republicans planning an assault on the Obama administration’s environmental record aim to turn Lisa Jackson into public enemy No. 1.
On the campaign trail, Republicans have adopted the Environmental Protection Agency as a favorite symbol of the White House’s regulatory overreach. And behind the scenes in Washington, GOP staffers and K Street lobbyists who say they've been dissed by the EPA administrator are looking forward to getting some revenge."
532 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:04:19pm |
re: #528 imp_62
What system do you have in mind? Insert RFID chips in every citizen at birth? Forgive me for getting nervous when people suggest ever better ways to catalogue and track individuals. I would rather live with a few malcontents bugging out their eyes and yelling "voter fraud" every so often.
oh bull kaka... you like it when you cash a check, or use a credit card.
533 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:04:20pm |
re: #524 lostlakehiker
You literally have nothing, except a belief that a recount can never produce numbers that large. You have nothing. No evidence, just a fervent belief.
So what is the 'proof' that you've been alleging everyone saw?
534 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:06:24pm |
re: #519 bratwurst
Well, to be fair...he DOES have a good excuse, his happy hour buzz wearing off and all.
Taking deep breaths. I take voter fraud a bit serious.
535 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:06:34pm |
re: #527 lostlakehiker
That's not the point. I read the evidence at the time. So did most of you. I know, and you know. Swings that big aren't in the cards unless the deck is stacked.
I have a bookmark folder that is named "for dealing with conservatives, tea party folks and firebaggers" and it is full of articles and graphs I might find that I think may come in handy later.
Mostly because I HATE when I know that I know that I read something somewhere but cannot find it later.
536 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:06:54pm |
re: #527 lostlakehiker
That's not the point. I read the evidence at the time. So did most of you. I know, and you know. Swings that big aren't in the cards unless the deck is stacked.
Swings how big? You got any numbers? Stats? Facts?
This is all in your gut, and NO, what you feel so deeply isn't something that the rest of us "know."
537 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:06:56pm |
re: #513 SanFranciscoZionist
Whatever. I am sick of this crap. If you feel like offering any solid information about this big election steal that everone knows about, let me know.
I was open-minded about this for a long time. I asked for information. I got nothing but 'well, it HAS to have been election fraud'. I am running out of open-mindedness.
Thank you for that!
Hang in there, SFZ!
TWO more weeks!
538 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:06:59pm |
re: #509 palomino
You're right. Reactionary white backlash will have a few more days in the sun, as it slowly disappears.
Nov. 2--the day the gop went completely nuts.
Explain why the voters of Massachusetts decided that a Republican should have "Ted Kennedy's" seat. A bunch of racists there?
539 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:07:05pm |
re: #524 lostlakehiker
I never said Franken himself had any hand in it. That's most unlikely. BUT, swings of 1000 votes are also MOST unlikely. The normal run of recounts sees a swing of a handful of votes. Almost always less than 100.
But the article never actually said the election was 'stolen as simple uncontested fact. "
I looked and couldn't find anything after the Fund article about the election on their website.
540 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:07:18pm |
re: #524 lostlakehiker
I never said Franken himself had any hand in it. That's most unlikely. BUT, swings of 1000 votes are also MOST unlikely. The normal run of recounts sees a swing of a handful of votes. Almost always less than 100.
So you think that Franken is probably innocent, but someone else intervened and stole the election for him without his knowledge?
For real?
541 | bratwurst Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:07:50pm |
I really have a feeling we on the verge of a major breakthrough here, people...mark the date, Al Franken is going to be PROVEN to be an illegitimate fraudster RIGHT HERE, TONIGHT. The evidence will be posted ANY MINUTE NOW.
542 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:07:50pm |
543 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:08:18pm |
544 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:08:39pm |
re: #496 Obdicut
SO in other words, you have no proof, and you attempted to cite an article-- which I'm betting was an op-ed-- that had no proof. Or even evidence. Of any sort.
And apparently, it's somehow high and mighty of me to say that you're bullshitting when you bullshit without any proof or evidence.
Give me a fucking break.
If everyone knows, and everyone has seen the proof, then just fucking cite the proof. How is this hard?
Oh right, because it didn't actually happen, and there is nothing to cite.
Fucking asinine.
Here is the post, and it is an op-ed that does not state, but implies, it was a fraud based on the votes of felons. It uses some pretty stupid stats to make it look like it is suspicious but gives no solid numbers, nor does it show that any felon voted for the Dems.
It's pretty thin gruel to be feeding any conclusions.
545 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:09:18pm |
re: #532 brookly red
oh bull kaka... you like it when you cash a check, or use a credit card.
What is it I like? I'm too tired to argue about this. Voter registration is not at the core of what problems this country has. No system is perfect. Any system that approaches perfection is not acceptable for a free democratic body politic. Inefficiency and some voter registration irregularity is the price we pay to live with at least the illusion of personal freedom and privacy.
546 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:09:28pm |
re: #534 SanFranciscoZionist
Taking deep breaths. I take voter fraud a bit serious.
So do I. Thankfully, so does Mark Kirk. Howard Dean went nuts at Kirk for planning to deploy voter integrity squads, but to me that's a good sign. If you've got Howard Dean in a screaming rage, you're doing something right.
547 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:09:36pm |
re: #542 SanFranciscoZionist
Law was doing OK last I saw.
well we could put and end to all accusations... you need an SS# to open a checking account. We could just vote at ATMs...
548 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:10:48pm |
re: #538 rwmofo
Explain why the voters of Massachusetts decided that a Republican should have "Ted Kennedy's" seat. A bunch of racists there?
No.
The Dem was a really crappy candidate and Scott Brown got in the race late so it was all about how good looking he was and his sweet truck that proved he was just a regular guy even if that sweet truck was used to drag around the horse trailer with his daughter's horses.
and he will have to be really moderate or he will not be re-elected.
and yes, white America has lost it's freaking mind because OMG! there is a brown guy in the White House.
549 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:10:54pm |
re: #538 rwmofo
Explain why the voters of Massachusetts decided that a Republican should have "Ted Kennedy's" seat. A bunch of racists there?
And I firmly believe that November 2nd will see Mark Kirk take Obama's old Senate seat. And he is certainly not a racist either.
550 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:11:10pm |
re: #540 SanFranciscoZionist
So you think that Franken is probably innocent, but someone else intervened and stole the election for him without his knowledge?
For real?
THE ILLUMINATI!
I just felt like saying that. Cuz the masons aren't organized enough anymore to steal elections.
551 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:13:26pm |
Speaking of voting. I need to remember to send in my vote thingy for the municipal election tomorrow. It's pretty cool, the whole thing is done by mail.
552 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:13:49pm |
re: #541 bratwurst
I really have a feeling we on the verge of a major breakthrough here, people...mark the date, Al Franken is going to be PROVEN to be an illegitimate fraudster RIGHT HERE, TONIGHT. The evidence will be posted ANY MINUTE NOW.
Where is the throbbing ballot?
553 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:14:51pm |
re: #551 Jadespring
I think I might get my cat to help me mark the ballot. Just for the fun of it. ;)
554 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:15:17pm |
re: #538 rwmofo
Explain why the voters of Massachusetts decided that a Republican should have "Ted Kennedy's" seat. A bunch of racists there?
Brown won because he's a moderate, a member of a species that's nearly extinct in today's gop. He's got more in common with most Dems than he does with the tea party.
You're focusing on the small picture. Brown is hardly representative of the new breed of gop candidates (Paul, Angle, O'Donnell) or the TP leadership (Demint, Bachmann, Beck, Armey).
We didn't eradicate racism/xenophobia in the 1960s. We just legislated against it. The TP is filled with this toxin. Scroll through the last month at LGF if you doubt me.
555 | shutdown Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:16:01pm |
Bed time. May we all wake up to a better world.
556 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:17:05pm |
re: #516 lostlakehiker
I'm not sure where you got the idea Franken was trailing Coleman by an insurmountable degree but it's pure nonsense.
Total votes in 2008 was 405,975. Franken trailed Coleman by 215 votes. How is that statistically impossible?
557 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:17:27pm |
re: #555 imp_62
Bed time. May we all wake up to a better world.
Sleep tight!!
And, may tomorrow be a better day for you!
558 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:17:45pm |
re: #554 palomino
Brown won because he's a moderate, a member of a species that's nearly extinct in today's gop. He's got more in common with most Dems than he does with the tea party.
You're focusing on the small picture. Brown is hardly representative of the new breed of gop candidates (Paul, Angle, O'Donnell) or the TP leadership (Demint, Bachmann, Beck, Armey).
We didn't eradicate racism/xenophobia in the 1960s. We just legislated against it. The TP is filled with this toxin. Scroll through the last month at LGF if you doubt me.
Gee... you sound like Rand Paul now.
559 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:18:32pm |
re: #549 Dark_Falcon
And I firmly believe that November 2nd will see Mark Kirk take Obama's old Senate seat. And he is certainly not a racist either.
Again, you guys miss the big picture by emphasizing the few moderates from blue states left in the gop. They are ideologically dissimilar to the rest of the gop; AND they are a tiny minority in the party.
560 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:19:01pm |
re: #559 palomino
And even Kirk doesn't have the courage to say that AGW is real.
561 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:19:23pm |
re: #556 b_sharp
I'm not sure where you got the idea Franken was trailing Coleman by an insurmountable degree but it's pure nonsense.
Total votes in 2008 was 405,975. Franken trailed Coleman by 215 votes. How is that statistically impossible?
Because it's more than a millionth of a percent?
562 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:19:27pm |
re: #524 lostlakehiker
I never said Franken himself had any hand in it. That's most unlikely. BUT, swings of 1000 votes are also MOST unlikely. The normal run of recounts sees a swing of a handful of votes. Almost always less than 100.
Do you have any evidence what-so-ever that swings of 525 votes (not 1000) are most unlikely?
563 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:19:48pm |
re: #532 brookly red
We do "motor voter" here.
You get a drivers liscence, you register to vote.
Yes, there's probably some fraud, but everyones registered to vote.
Now, do they exercize their Constitutional rights?
Well, that's a choice each individual makes.
564 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:20:39pm |
re: #547 brookly red
well we could put and end to all accusations... you need an SS# to open a checking account. We could just vote at ATMs...
Accusations in and of themselves don't create a compelling need to overhaul the system. There should be some kind of proof.
565 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:21:11pm |
re: #558 Walter L. Newton
Gee... you sound like Rand Paul now.
Really? Rand Paul writes posts denouncing Rand Paul?
566 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:21:26pm |
re: #527 lostlakehiker
That's not the point. I read the evidence at the time. So did most of you. I know, and you know. Swings that big aren't in the cards unless the deck is stacked.
You don't even have the numbers correct.
You're being foolish. You made a statement that hypothetically can be backed up, but you refuse to even try.
567 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:21:41pm |
re: #562 b_sharp
With a little bit of googling I found a Vermont election where there were swings of about 400.
Took like four minutes to do that search.
568 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:22:25pm |
re: #565 palomino
Really? Rand Paul writes posts denouncing Rand Paul?
"We didn't eradicate racism/xenophobia in the 1960s. We just legislated against it."
Rand Paul could have said that.
569 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:22:32pm |
re: #563 Floral Giraffe
We do "motor voter" here.
You get a drivers liscence, you register to vote.
Yes, there's probably some fraud, but everyones registered to vote.
Now, do they exercize their Constitutional rights?
Well, that's a choice each individual makes.
And guess which party has worked for decades against motor voter laws?
570 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:22:32pm |
re: #548 webevintage
No.
The Dem was a really crappy candidate and Scott Brown got in the race late so it was all about how good looking he was and his sweet truck that proved he was just a regular guy even if that sweet truck was used to drag around the horse trailer with his daughter's horses.
and he will have to be really moderate or he will not be re-elected.and yes, white America has lost it's freaking mind because OMG! there is a brown guy in the White House.
Oh it gets worse. Those racist Republicans elected an Indian for Governor of Louisiana. Those racist, sexist Republicans are getting ready to elect a female Indian Governor in South Carolina (South Carolina!!!). Those wacky, racist Republicans will also elect a Cuban for Senator in Florida.
My head is about to explode!!!
Oh no! The Republican Senate Minority Leader is married to an Asian! I thought we were all racists!
Oh, not really. It's just what limp-noodle left-wingers say hoping no one will whip out the fact-checker.
Lead-pipe reality provided at no charge.
571 | brookly red Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:23:59pm |
re: #564 SanFranciscoZionist
Accusations in and of themselves don't create a compelling need to overhaul the system. There should be some kind of proof.
I would think that everyone would want a better system... I guess I am wrong.
572 | Obdicut Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:24:17pm |
re: #570 rwmofo
I bet they even have a black leader of the GOP, right?
573 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:24:58pm |
re: #570 rwmofo
It is amazing the number of prominent female candidates for the GOP this year.
574 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:25:34pm |
re: #568 Walter L. Newton
"We didn't eradicate racism/xenophobia in the 1960s. We just legislated against it."
Rand Paul could have said that.
So could thousands of other people because it's true. If Rand Paul could have said that then give him a cookie, he'd be right.
575 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:25:41pm |
re: #568 Walter L. Newton
"We didn't eradicate racism/xenophobia in the 1960s. We just legislated against it."
Rand Paul could have said that.
The simple clear difference is that I would have voted YEA to the CRA of 1964; Paul is on record saying he would have voted NAY. I don't think anyone on either side thought it would eradicate all racism. The point was merely to prohibit the most overt racism in public accommodations.
576 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:26:32pm |
re: #549 Dark_Falcon
And I firmly believe that November 2nd will see Mark Kirk take Obama's old Senate seat. And he is certainly not a racist either.
Looks like a toss up. Of course the wingnuts have been hammering against Kirk for a long time including former GOP Senate candidate Andy Martin's rumor that there was a “solid rumor that Kirk is a homosexual." Then we have the usual rants from Michelle Malkin who in September of 2009 rattled off another incoherent rant, blogging GOP cap-and-tax 8′er Rep. Mark Kirk: I promise I won’t pander as a Senator the way I do now. Other pathological wingnuts responses to Kirk can also be found here and here.
577 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:27:04pm |
re: #570 rwmofo
Oh it gets worse. Those racist Republicans elected an Indian for Governor of Louisiana. Those racist, sexist Republicans are getting ready to elect a female Indian Governor in South Carolina (South Carolina!!!). Those wacky, racist Republicans will also elect a Cuban for Senator in Florida.
My head is about to explode!!!
Oh no! The Republican Senate Minority Leader is married to an Asian! I thought we were all racists!
Oh, not really. It's just what limp-noodle left-wingers say hoping no one will whip out the fact-checker.
Lead-pipe reality provided at no charge.
"I want my country baaaaaccccckkkkk"
578 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:27:57pm |
re: #570 rwmofo
Oh it gets worse. Those racist Republicans elected an Indian for Governor of Louisiana. Those racist, sexist Republicans are getting ready to elect a female Indian Governor in South Carolina (South Carolina!!!). Those wacky, racist Republicans will also elect a Cuban for Senator in Florida.
My head is about to explode!!!
Oh no! The Republican Senate Minority Leader is married to an Asian! I thought we were all racists!
Oh, not really. It's just what limp-noodle left-wingers say hoping no one will whip out the fact-checker.
Lead-pipe reality provided at no charge.
You're cherry picking. You're also burning a straw man.
579 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:28:13pm |
re: #573 Amory Blaine
It is amazing the number of prominent female candidates for the GOP this year.
I think it's great. Women see things we (guys) don't always see.
580 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:28:57pm |
re: #570 rwmofo
Oh it gets worse. Those racist Republicans elected an Indian for Governor of Louisiana. Those racist, sexist Republicans are getting ready to elect a female Indian Governor in South Carolina (South Carolina!!!). Those wacky, racist Republicans will also elect a Cuban for Senator in Florida.
My head is about to explode!!!
Oh no! The Republican Senate Minority Leader is married to an Asian! I thought we were all racists!
Oh, not really. It's just what limp-noodle left-wingers say hoping no one will whip out the fact-checker.
Lead-pipe reality provided at no charge.
Your party's representation in Congress is currently 98% white and 91% female. Even with big gains that won't change much.
It's not an all or nothing situation. Even during the darkest days of the southern strategy, the gop managed to attract a little minority support. And they still do attract a little minority support.
581 | bratwurst Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:29:00pm |
re: #576 Gus 802
Looks like a toss up. Of course the wingnuts have been hammering against Kirk for a long time including former GOP Senate candidate Andy Martin's rumor that there was a “solid rumor that Kirk is a homosexual." Then we have the usual rants from Michelle Malkin who in September of 2009 rattled off another incoherent rant, blogging GOP cap-and-tax 8′er Rep. Mark Kirk: I promise I won’t pander as a Senator the way I do now. Other pathological wingnuts responses to Kirk can also be found here and here.
And that is not even mentioning the fact he "misremembered" his own combat record. He was literally quoted as saying "I simply misremembered it wrong".
582 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:29:45pm |
Looks like a temporary victory for the homophobes and bigots.
Court allows Pentagon to re-instate ban on gay soldiers
An appeals court has ruled the US military can temporarily reinstate a ban on openly gay people serving, in a move adding to disarray on the issue.
583 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:30:45pm |
re: #582 Gus 802
Looks like a temporary victory for the homophobes and bigots.
Agh, I'll say it again. There are plenty of openly gay men and women who will make much better military personale than I ever will.
584 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:30:55pm |
re: #582 Gus 802
Looks like a temporary victory for the homophobes and bigots.
I hate judicial activism.
585 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:31:03pm |
re: #577 webevintage
"I want my country baaaccckkk"
The country they want back is irretrievable. It exists only in their minds and in the Norman Rockwell paintings of their childhood.
586 | b_sharp Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:31:38pm |
Good night folks.
The lack of evidence shown tonight was incredibly frustrating, so I'm going to go read some SciFi to calm my mind.
See you sometime tomorrow.
587 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:31:44pm |
re: #450 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur. Those "missing ballots" being found stunk to high heaven. That alone is clear and convincing evidence of fraud to me.
Clear and convincing evidence huh. Tell us, are you just as certain about this conclusion you've formed in the absence of actual knowledge as you were about your idea of how tax brackets worked?
re: #546 Dark_Falcon
So do I. Thankfully, so does Mark Kirk. Howard Dean went nuts at Kirk for planning to deploy voter integrity squads, but to me that's a good sign. If you've got Howard Dean in a screaming rage, you're doing something right.
He's sending them to predominately black districts, the intent is to suppress the black vote, make it harder for their vote to count. This is the reality of the situation you're happy about. If you actually are afraid of voter fraud then you're just afraid of yet another lie that's been pounded into your skull your entire life, argument by Chicagoan authority notwithstanding. You've swallowed these lies in spite of the actual evidence, proven by the fact that you haven't actually produced any proof, just feelings, I live here bullshit and supposition.
And I firmly believe that November 2nd will see Mark Kirk take Obama's old Senate seat. And he is certainly not a racist either.
Right, he's just concerned about black voter fraud.
Voter fraud is an excuse, a lie which you've swallowed hook, line, sinker, tackle box, and pier. It's the perfect faceless bogeyman, the "dem machine," a way of turning every loss into a hateful abstraction. It's not conducive to reality, it is denial.
588 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:32:18pm |
re: #579 rwmofo
I think it's great. Women see things we (guys) don't always see.
Unfortunately women like Angle, O'Donnell and Palin see things no one else sees.
589 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:33:50pm |
re: #580 palomino
Your party's representation in Congress is currently 98% white and 91% female. Even with big gains that won't change much.
It's not an all or nothing situation. Even during the darkest days of the southern strategy, the gop managed to attract a little minority support. And they still do attract a little minority support.
Actually my party is attracting the majority of voters again. This means the centrists have moved back to the right. It has nothing to do with race. It's solely based on better ideas.
590 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:34:39pm |
re: #588 palomino
Unfortunately women like Angle, O'Donnell and Palin see things no one else sees.
They see green, so they're saying whatever brings the doe their way.
591 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:34:43pm |
re: #589 rwmofo
No, more like fear.
OOGA BOOGA MUSLIM COMMUNITY CENTER OF TERROR AND DEATH!
592 | Renaissance_Man Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:36:25pm |
re: #589 rwmofo
Actually my party is attracting the majority of voters again. This means the centrists have moved back to the right. It has nothing to do with race. It's solely based on better ideas.
Feel free to name some of those better ideas anytime. With some specifics, if you would; 'smaller government' is not an 'idea', per se.
And, if you do in fact have any of these 'better ideas', perhaps you should send them to the GOP so they can campaign on them.
593 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:37:20pm |
Speaking of Palin....she desecrated a flag today and then tried to eat a dog.
[Link: wonkette.com...]
594 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:37:28pm |
re: #589 rwmofo
Actually my party is attracting the majority of voters again. This means the centrists have moved back to the right. It has nothing to do with race. It's solely based on better ideas.
Really, it's that simple? A lousy economy plays no role?
And before you count those centrist eggs as permanent gop holds, you should remember two things. First, the pendulum you're talking about has swung back and forth SIX times in the last 20 years. One party wins, the other party wins, etc, etc. It's the history of our politics.
The other thing is that the centrists you're currently about to win back are overwhelmingly white. And whites are a rapidly shrinking portion of the electorate.
So, sorry, but no soup or permanent republican majority for you!
595 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:38:28pm |
re: #576 Gus 802
Looks like a toss up. Of course the wingnuts have been hammering against Kirk for a long time including former GOP Senate candidate Andy Martin's rumor that there was a “solid rumor that Kirk is a homosexual." Then we have the usual rants from Michelle Malkin who in September of 2009 rattled off another incoherent rant, blogging GOP cap-and-tax 8′er Rep. Mark Kirk: I promise I won’t pander as a Senator the way I do now. Other pathological wingnuts responses to Kirk can also be found here and here.
Kirk voted for cap and trade in 2009, since it was what his constituents wanted. He votes according to the wishes of those who vote for him, not to please some talk show host. However, he has announced that as a Senator he will vote against cap-and-trade, since the state wide Republican constituency does not support it.
596 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:39:35pm |
re: #589 rwmofo
Actually my party is attracting the majority of voters again. This means the centrists have moved back to the right. It has nothing to do with race. It's solely based on better ideas.
Better ideas? I doubt it. Just different ideas for the time being. American's tend to react more than think. Right now they're dancing over to the Republican side as they always do when they don't think the Dems are doing good enough. It'll flip over to the Dem advantage again once the American public think the Republicans are failing.
I wouldn't get too excited because other than a House majority they won't get the majority in the Senate and Obama remains in the White House for the next two years. About the only thing I can agree with the GOP at this point is fiscal policy. Otherwise, they remain to be a party that panders by and large to the religious right.
597 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:41:06pm |
re: #584 Walter L. Newton
I hate judicial activism.
The term is meaningless subjective tautology, everyone disagrees with the decisions they disagree with.
598 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:41:15pm |
re: #593 webevintage
Speaking of Palin...she desecrated a flag today and then tried to eat a dog.
[Link: wonkette.com...]
Thanks for something that made me giggle.
599 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:41:50pm |
re: #571 brookly red
I would think that everyone would want a better system... I guess I am wrong.
1. I am not sure that there is any need for a nationwide 'better system'. I certainly have seen no proof of such a need, or real indication that a nationwide system would actually be better. I am open to arguments in favor of such.
2. You still have not answered my basic point which is that this is possibly the worst possible time in US electoral HISTORY to start talking about requiring Federal IDs for anything. Do you disagree?
3. I'm not sure such a system would make it through the courts.
600 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:42:23pm |
re: #595 Dark_Falcon
Kirk voted for cap and trade in 2009, since it was what his constituents wanted. He votes according to the wishes of those who vote for him, not to please some talk show host. However, he has announced that as a Senator he will vote against cap-and-trade, since the state wide Republican constituency does not support it.
I wouldn't support cap-and-trade. However, I am curious. If he does win will he be a Senator to support the need of the people of Illinois or just a Republican constituency? Not all of those that will vote for him come November will be registered Republicans. He will get independent voters and even some registered Democrats. Anyway, I serious doubt that the people of Illionois see cap-and-trade as an important and immediate issue.
601 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:42:25pm |
re: #592 Renaissance_Man
Feel free to name some of those better ideas anytime. With some specifics, if you would; 'smaller government' is not an 'idea', per se.
And, if you do in fact have any of these 'better ideas', perhaps you should send them to the GOP so they can campaign on them.
Get government spending under control - as in spend less than that which we receive through taxes. It's not really that difficult to comprehend and I'm not the first one to suggest this.
602 | blueraven Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:42:39pm |
re: #512 Jadespring
Could it be this one from July maybe?
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
If it is then it doesn't have much to do with Franken himself 'stealing' the election.
An opinion piece by John Fund? ..and the election results were studied by a "conservative watchdog group". No, no bias there at all.
//
603 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:42:49pm |
The thing that frustrates me about the GOP is they talk a great deal about limited government yet they have manty candidates who want stricter restrictions on abortion, oppose gay marriage and even civil unions in some cases, and Christine O'Donnell flat out said in the debate she disagreed with decisions regarding pornography. And Joe Miller's admiration for the GDR and the Berlin Wall is really telling. Wonder how much his wall would cost anyhow. Plus, he's full of bs too considering he took money from the feds for his farms in the 90's I believe.You want to say you're for limited governmetn then stop pandering to social reactionaryism. you don't have to like gay marriage but it is a bullshit position to claim that you're for small government yet want the government to tell two adults they can't marry each other because they're of the same gender.
604 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:43:02pm |
re: #597 goddamnedfrank
The term is meaningless subjective tautology, everyone disagrees with the decisions they disagree with.
Then I suspect we will never hear you using the term for your debating advantage... thanks.
605 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:43:04pm |
re: #593 webevintage
Speaking of Palin...she desecrated a flag today and then tried to eat a dog.
[Link: wonkette.com...]
Oh dear.
606 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:43:43pm |
re: #601 rwmofo
Get government spending under control - as in spend less than that which we receive through taxes. It's not really that difficult to comprehend and I'm not the first one to suggest this.
I'm sure that the GOP will get behind ending farm, oil, mineral, and gas subsidies right away.
/
607 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:45:38pm |
I think it is AWESOME that here in Arkansas we are (probably) going to vote in Tim Griffin who was named as one of the most corrupt candidates running.
[Link: www.citizensforethics.org...]
Vote Caging and involved in the whole JD prosecutor scandal.
[Link: www.arktimes.com...]
Yeah red states!!!!
608 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:46:19pm |
re: #601 rwmofo
Get government spending under control - as in spend less than that which we receive through taxes. It's not really that difficult to comprehend and I'm not the first one to suggest this.
Here's the rub. Republicans, and even some Dems, have been saying that for decades. But when push comes to shove, everyone wants somebody else's favorite programs to take the biggest hits.
There won't be any real progress on the deficit until republicans and dems agree to put everything (ss, medicare, military, tax hikes, etc) on the table. As of now there's no indication that members of either party are willing to do that.
609 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:46:45pm |
re: #587 goddamnedfrank
So because he's send some of his inspectors into black neighborhoods, that proves he's up to no good?
Please. That's just "voter suppression" BS. Chicago has a fraud problem, and Mark Kirk wants to make sure he's protected against it. He wants every legal vote counted. The purpose of inspectors is to avoid shenanigans.
610 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:47:24pm |
re: #596 Gus 802
Better ideas? I doubt it. Just different ideas for the time being. American's tend to react more than think. Right now they're dancing over to the Republican side as they always do when they don't think the Dems are doing good enough. It'll flip over to the Dem advantage again once the American public think the Republicans are failing.
I wouldn't get too excited because other than a House majority they won't get the majority in the Senate and Obama remains in the White House for the next two years. About the only thing I can agree with the GOP at this point is fiscal policy. Otherwise, they remain to be a party that panders by and large to the religious right.
Help me with democrats who go to church. I haven't heard much about the "religious left." Please explain. BTW, my bullshit detector is turned on right now. Go for it.
611 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:48:07pm |
re: #606 Gus 802
I'm sure that the GOP will get behind ending farm, oil, mineral, and gas subsidies right away.
/
Nail on the head. Too many entrenched interests...largely local interests that may like the general sound of "small govt" but don't really want to give up any pieces of the pie they currently receive.
612 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:48:33pm |
re: #609 Dark_Falcon
Chicago has a fraud problem, and Mark Kirk wants to make sure he's protected against it. He wants every legal vote counted. The purpose of inspectors is to avoid shenanigans.
[Link: www.truthaboutfraud.org...]
613 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:48:45pm |
re: #601 rwmofo
Get government spending under control - as in spend less than that which we receive through taxes. It's not really that difficult to comprehend and I'm not the first one to suggest this.
We have exactly the government we voted for. Voters never wanted fiscal austerity. All they ever wanted was not to have to pay for the big government they were voting for.
614 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:48:46pm |
re: #610 rwmofo
Help me with democrats who go to church. I haven't heard much about the "religious left." Please explain. BTW, my bullshit detector is turned on right now. Go for it.
Ha! Actually, never mind. If your bullshit detector went on with that comment my radar just detected a serious case of denial.
The religious right has the GOP under their thumb. Get over it.
615 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:49:39pm |
Submitted for your approval, spoofing the teabags:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Shatner poetry, BP, Palin and more...
616 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:50:48pm |
re: #599 SanFranciscoZionist
1. I am not sure that there is any need for a nationwide 'better system'. I certainly have seen no proof of such a need, or real indication that a nationwide system would actually be better. I am open to arguments in favor of such.
2. You still have not answered my basic point which is that this is possibly the worst possible time in US electoral HISTORY to start talking about requiring Federal IDs for anything. Do you disagree?
3. I'm not sure such a system would make it through the courts.
How about a Driver's License or any acceptable form of ID - like what's required to get on a plane? I don't think a federal ID should be required, but if you want to vote without an ID, then hop behind the wheel and drive off, that smells fishy.
617 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:50:57pm |
re: #608 palomino
Here's the rub. Republicans, and even some Dems, have been saying that for decades. But when push comes to shove, everyone wants somebody else's favorite programs to take the biggest hits.
There won't be any real progress on the deficit until republicans and dems agree to put everything (ss, medicare, military, tax hikes, etc) on the table. As of now there's no indication that members of either party are willing to do that.
This sort of statement is a pretty common general election statement from political parties on all sorts of sides, in all sorts of countries too.
Get govt spending under control!
Party x --yep
Party y - yep
party a, b and c in Timbucktoo -- yep
It's the specifics on how to do it that make the differences between them.
The specifics, especially during and election, are the hardest part to pin down.
618 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:51:07pm |
re: #610 rwmofo
Help me with democrats who go to church. I haven't heard much about the "religious left." Please explain. BTW, my bullshit detector is turned on right now. Go for it.
The "religious left" leaves church where it belongs--in church.
619 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:51:17pm |
re: #611 palomino
Nail on the head. Too many entrenched interests...largely local interests that may like the general sound of "small govt" but don't really want to give up any pieces of the pie they currently receive.
There's that and the whole dishonesty. I loved hearing that the sob who told his supporters to smash the windows of congresspeople who voted for Obama's health care plan was revealed to be taking disability money from the feds. To me many of these people have no credibility because of stuff like that and what you're talking about here. I'm sorry but I am extremely skeptical of most self described small government conservatives because more of them seem more concerned with pushing their morals on the rest of us and whining about how Christians are being persecuted than they are doing anything about fiscal policy.
620 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:52:06pm |
re: #600 Gus 802
I wouldn't support cap-and-trade. However, I am curious. If he does win will he be a Senator to support the need of the people of Illinois or just a Republican constituency? Not all of those that will vote for him come November will be registered Republicans. He will get independent voters and even some registered Democrats. Anyway, I serious doubt that the people of Illionois see cap-and-trade as an important and immediate issue.
He won the votes of many registered Democrats in the 10th District. He's a consensus politician who follows the will of his supporters fairly closely.
621 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:52:09pm |
re: #618 palomino
The "religious left" leaves church where it belongs--in church.
I'm just waiting to see where this alleged "religious left" is equal to the religious right.
622 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:52:38pm |
623 | lostlakehiker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:52:50pm |
There's no point in discussing this any longer. If anyone can tell of a Republican coming from behind by 1000 votes, or even a few hundred, to win, let me know.
If such a thing is common in one direction, but unheard of in the other, the hypothesis that it's an honest process and that the swings one sees in the counts are the result of chance factors crumples.
And everyone here knows that.
624 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:53:48pm |
Here. I'll save you the trouble!
Reverend Al Sharpton!!11ty is part of the religious left!!!111ty
625 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:54:44pm |
re: #623 lostlakehiker
There's no point in discussing this any longer. If anyone can tell of a Republican coming from behind by 1000 votes, or even a few hundred, to win, let me know.
George W Bush
(yeah I'm bitter...don't judge me)
626 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:54:52pm |
If you are anti abortion, but you also believe in social justice, are yo a member of the religious right or the religious left?
627 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:55:00pm |
re: #613 stevemcg
We have exactly the government we voted for. Voters never wanted fiscal austerity. All they ever wanted was not to have to pay for the big government they were voting for.
Precisely. I have a hard time believing that the seniors and boomers at the TP rallies really want entitlement reform that would affect their monthly checks.
628 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:56:21pm |
re: #627 palomino
Precisely. I have a hard time believing that the seniors and boomers at the TP rallies really want entitlement reform that would affect their monthly checks.
Government out of my medicare!
629 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:56:43pm |
re: #627 palomino
I do think welfare and medicaid will get clobbered. But just because you take those expenses off the federal books doesn't mean the costs go away.
630 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:56:52pm |
re: #617 Jadespring
This sort of statement is a pretty common general election statement from political parties on all sorts of sides, in all sorts of countries too.
Get govt spending under control!
Party x --yep
Party y - yep
party a, b and c in Timbucktoo -- yepIt's the specifics on how to do it that make the differences between them.
The specifics, especially during and election, are the hardest part to pin down.
It won't happen until we reach a real undeniable crisis. Then both parties will have to work together. Unfortunately that means the crisis we're in now isn't severe enough to motivate action.
631 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:57:18pm |
re: #625 webevintage
George W Bush
(yeah I'm bitter...don't judge me)
I'm bitter about that too. He was one of the worst presidents in our history.
632 | webevintage Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:57:44pm |
I hear tell that the TeaGOP Party is for "personal liberty" but I have yet to see any evidence of that when one thinks of DADT, gay marriage, gays adopting and abortion.
I hear tell that the TeaGOP Party is for cutting the deficit/spending but none of them seem to be able to actually say WHAT (besides programs that help poor people) they would cut.
633 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:58:01pm |
Anyone that thinks Al Franken "stole the election" should get fitted for a tin foil hat.
Full stop.
634 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:58:11pm |
re: #619 HappyWarrior
There's that and the whole dishonesty. I loved hearing that the sob who told his supporters to smash the windows of congresspeople who voted for Obama's health care plan was revealed to be taking disability money from the feds. To me many of these people have no credibility because of stuff like that and what you're talking about here. I'm sorry but I am extremely skeptical of most self described small government conservatives because more of them seem more concerned with pushing their morals on the rest of us and whining about how Christians are being persecuted than they are doing anything about fiscal policy.
"keep your damn government hands off my social security"
Priceless.
635 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:58:49pm |
re: #601 rwmofo
Get government spending under control - as in spend less than that which we receive through taxes. It's not really that difficult to comprehend and I'm not the first one to suggest this.
Oh, please.
NO REPUBLICAN HAS EVER DONE THIS.
;)
636 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:59:00pm |
re: #631 LudwigVanQuixote
I'm bitter about that too. He was one of the worst presidents in our history.
I tried. I kept warning everybody I knew that he was going to be a disaster.
637 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 9:59:36pm |
re: #618 palomino
The "religious left" leaves church where it belongs--in church.
Then they wouldn't religious at all. Both Christianity and Judaism aren't just for their houses of worship, they are meant to provide moral principles by which to live your life. To say that certain types of religious morality should not be codified into law is not "leaving religion in church"; It is simply following our nations Constitution and refusing to attempt to force others to believe as you do.
638 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:00:30pm |
re: #624 Gus 802
Here. I'll save you the trouble!
Reverend Al Sharpton!!11ty is part of the religious left!!!111ty
Al Sharpton?
LOL!
Who are you going to brag about next? Joey Buttafuoco?
Ya gotta love lefties. Heh.
639 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:01:03pm |
re: #638 rwmofo
Al Sharpton?
LOL!
Who are you going to brag about next? Joey Buttafuoco?
Ya gotta love lefties. Heh.
You referring to me?
640 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:01:52pm |
re: #631 LudwigVanQuixote
Hello, You!
Don't be bitter, whatever it is, it's water under the bridge.
Make tomorrow a better day.
I'll now go back & read.
641 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:02:18pm |
Republicans - Cut taxes and spend!
Democrats - Raise taxes and spend!
WHEEE
643 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:02:44pm |
re: #632 webevintage
I hear tell that the TeaGOP Party is for "personal liberty" but I have yet to see any evidence of that when one thinks of DADT, gay marriage, gays adopting and abortion.
I hear tell that the TeaGOP Party is for cutting the deficit/spending but none of them seem to be able to actually say WHAT (besides programs that help poor people) they would cut.
One thing people fail to realize is that government entitlements go a long way to subsidize poverty level wages.
644 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:03:12pm |
re: #623 lostlakehiker
There's no point in discussing this any longer. If anyone can tell of a Republican coming from behind by 1000 votes, or even a few hundred, to win, let me know.
If such a thing is common in one direction, but unheard of in the other, the hypothesis that it's an honest process and that the swings one sees in the counts are the result of chance factors crumples.
And everyone here knows that.
Again, NO, we don't know that. A few hundred votes out of 2 million isn't the freakish occurrence you suggest. The original margin of Coleman victory was seven one-thousandths of a percent. You're deluded if you think that's too large a victory to be legitimately overturned by a recount.
645 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:03:20pm |
re: #638 rwmofo
Al Sharpton?
LOL!
Who are you going to brag about next? Joey Buttafuoco?
Ya gotta love lefties. Heh.
Perhaps Gus is more of a centrist and you're further to the right than you admit?
;)
646 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:04:35pm |
re: #645 Varek Raith
Perhaps Gus is more of a centrist and you're further to the right than you admit?
;)
I don't think he understood that it was meant to be sarcasm. You know. Bragging? That wasn't meant to be bragging.
647 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:04:51pm |
re: #629 stevemcg
I do think welfare and medicaid will get clobbered. But just because you take those expenses off the federal books doesn't mean the costs go away.
I can't even see tea partiers in congress going to their old constituents and telling them that their benefits are gonna be cut. Politicians just don't bite the hand that feeds them that overtly.
But point taken about the costs.
648 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:05:53pm |
re: #637 Dark_Falcon
Then they wouldn't religious at all. Both Christianity and Judaism aren't just for their houses of worship, they are meant to provide moral principles by which to live your life. To say that certain types of religious morality should not be codified into law is not "leaving religion in church"; It is simply following our nations Constitution and refusing to attempt to force others to believe as you do.
I think you missed the point completely. It's not about making commandments into law, it's about not forcing one's supposedly true religion on others, and not making religion a political issue. Henceforth leave religion where it belongs: in church/synagogue/mosque/temple/whatever, just not on a ballot...
649 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:06:24pm |
re: #626 stevemcg
If you are anti abortion, but you also believe in social justice, are yo a member of the religious right or the religious left?
I'm a right-winger who's pro-choice and not religious - like an enormous amount of people on the right. So there's no convenient label for us.
I have a couple questions for you:
1) Are you pro-choice?
2) Do you believe we should have the death penalty?
650 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:06:51pm |
re: #634 palomino
"keep your damn government hands off my social security"
Priceless.
Pretty much heh. I'll add another thing. The rhetoric about Obama is jsut ridiculous. You know eevn if he was a Muslim why should it matter? There's a vocal group of idiots out there who have been acting like to be a devout Muslim is incompatable with being a loyal American. Hmmm where have I heard that before? Oh yeah when Catholics were said to be more loyal to the pope than Rome or when American JEws have been told they're more loyal to ISrael than the US. And then there's he's not a real American because of how he grew up. Not even going to touch that one because it's so stupid. And then that he's a Communist. Many of his own party's liberals are wary of him. I highly doubt socialists and communists are too keen on him. And I know for a fact they aren't since the SP candidate in 2008 went on Colbert and flat out said he's not one of them. It's just all utter nonsense to me.
651 | Jadespring Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:07:29pm |
re: #644 palomino
Again, NO, we don't know that. A few hundred votes out of 2 million isn't the freakish occurrence you suggest. The original margin of Coleman victory was seven one-thousandths of a percent. You're deluded if you think that's too large a victory to be legitimately overturned by a recount.
Aren't there some states where an original vote margin of that low (few hundred) automatically triggers a recount? (Washington maybe?) I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain there is. If that's the case then it really does speak to the statistical 'possibilities' with margins that small.
652 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:08:48pm |
re: #637 Dark_Falcon
Then they wouldn't religious at all. Both Christianity and Judaism aren't just for their houses of worship, they are meant to provide moral principles by which to live your life. To say that certain types of religious morality should not be codified into law is not "leaving religion in church"; It is simply following our nations Constitution and refusing to attempt to force others to believe as you do.
Sure, we get much of our moral principles from religion, but in a universal deisitic (think Jeffersonian) sense. Not from the Falwells, Robertsons, Haggards and other sanctimonious charlatans.
What I meant is that there's no overarching religious imperative in the Dem Party as there currently is in the gop. And this is a relatively new phenomenon--in the 1960's the gop was probably MORE secular than the Dems.
653 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:09:24pm |
re: #649 rwmofo
I'm a right-winger who's pro-choice and not religious - like an enormous amount of people on the right. So there's no convenient label for us.
I have a couple questions for you:
1) Are you pro-choice?
2) Do you believe we should have the death penalty?
I am pro-choice, only because there's no way in hell anybody's going to take care of all those babies that would be born.
I'm anti-capital punishment because reasonable doubt is not a high enough standard to make a life and death decision.
654 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:09:43pm |
re: #651 Jadespring
Aren't there some states where an original vote margin of that low (few hundred) automatically triggers a recount? (Washington maybe?) I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain there is. If that's the case then it really does speak to the statistical 'possibilities' with margins that small.
Yeah, the "franken stole it" guy is just fixated and uninformed.
655 | palomino Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:10:16pm |
good nite all. wifey screaming at me to watch tv with her. wifey must be obeyed.
656 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:11:10pm |
re: #635 Varek Raith
Oh, please.
NO REPUBLICAN HAS EVER DONE THIS.
;)
It's really simple to look up the budgets proposed by the Republican congress when Newt was Speaker (signed into law by President Clinton). Really simple. So simple I'm not going to provide a link.
657 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:11:22pm |
re: #652 palomino
Moral values and religion are like the chicken and the egg. Somehow, if you grew up isolated from religion, you still wouldn't want people ripping you off.
658 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:12:11pm |
re: #652 palomino
Sure, we get much of our moral principles from religion, but in a universal deisitic (think Jeffersonian) sense. Not from the Falwells, Robertsons, Haggards and other sanctimonious charlatans.
What I meant is that there's no overarching religious imperative in the Dem Party as there currently is in the gop. And this is a relatively new phenomenon--in the 1960's the gop was probably MORE secular than the Dems.
It is interesting. I can think of two presidential elections between pretty secular GOP candidates and religious Dem candidates. The first that comes to mind is Carter Vs Ford but another is Taft vs Bryan. William Howard Taft from what I've read on him could perhaps have been one of the least religious presidents in the past century. Even read that he openly questioned the divinity of Christ and shrugged TR off when TR suggested he talk about religion more in his speeches and he continued to golf on sundays too.
659 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:12:21pm |
re: #656 rwmofo
It's really simple to look up the budgets proposed by the Republican congress when Newt was Speaker (signed into law by President Clinton). Really simple. So simple I'm not going to provide a link.
How about Reagan?
GWB?
660 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:13:04pm |
re: #653 stevemcg
I am pro-choice, only because there's no way in hell anybody's going to take care of all those babies that would be born.
I'm anti-capital punishment because reasonable doubt is not a high enough standard to make a life and death decision.
So you'd rather feed convicted murderers, instead of feeding orphaned babies?
661 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:14:13pm |
re: #660 yasharki
So you'd rather feed convicted murderers, instead of feeding orphaned babies?
I don't think that's what he meant.
662 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:15:05pm |
re: #653 stevemcg
I am pro-choice, only because there's no way in hell anybody's going to take care of all those babies that would be born.
I'm anti-capital punishment because reasonable doubt is not a high enough standard to make a life and death decision.
So you want to kill the innocent and protect the guilty.
664 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:15:36pm |
re: #657 stevemcg
Moral values and religion are like the chicken and the egg. Somehow, if you grew up isolated from religion, you still wouldn't want people ripping you off.
Not getting ripped off is not something you can learn from the bible, what's your point?
665 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:15:46pm |
Being pro choice makes you want to kill the innocent?
666 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:15:52pm |
667 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:17:05pm |
re: #653 stevemcg
I am pro-choice, only because there's no way in hell anybody's going to take care of all those babies that would be born.
I'm anti-capital punishment because reasonable doubt is not a high enough standard to make a life and death decision.
Have to disagree with you about abortion. Maybe we won't be able to but I feel we should at least try. I do agree with you about the DP and understand your point. Honestly, we need better sex ed in school. Abstinence only may look good on paper but it's a crappy policy.
668 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:17:24pm |
re: #660 yasharki
So you'd rather feed convicted murderers, instead of feeding orphaned babies?
I would feed the neglected babies. Problem is, they won't be in my house. They'll be in the houses of people who were incapable of some pretty basic functions. It's not a preference of choosing murderers over babies, and you should know better. That was pretty lame on your part.
670 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:19:23pm |
re: #664 yasharki
Not getting ripped off is not something you can learn from the bible, what's your point?
It was a pretty simple point. I'm surprised you couldn't get it. You didin't need Moses to bring down the 10 Commandments to tell you what you should and shouldn't do. Hence, my analogy to the chicken and the egg.
671 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:20:37pm |
re: #668 stevemcg
I would feed the neglected babies. Problem is, they won't be in my house. They'll be in the houses of people who were incapable of some pretty basic functions. It's not a preference of choosing murderers over babies, and you should know better. That was pretty lame on your part.
I was just messing with you, no offense. I know you didn't mean it the way I said.
672 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:21:12pm |
re: #659 Varek Raith
How about Reagan?
GWB?
Reagan could only get Tip O'Neill to agree to tax cuts. GDP almost doubled from 1981-1989 due to lower taxes. Unfortunately he couldn't get Tip to control spending. A partial vicory.
George Bush blew it by not vetoing the budgets the Republican congress gave him. Newt and friends paved the way. They balanced the budget and their successors screwed it up. They deserved to lose in 2006.
673 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:22:24pm |
I do I have to say despite my more conservative take on abortion really dislike the abortion view that Angle, O'Donnell, and Palin have made prominent in recent months. Can't imagine what it would be like to be a teenaged girl who is raped first off and then told that you're carrying the baby of your rapist. The mental strain would be unimaginable. And candidates like Sharron Angle don't help when they use the life makes you lemonaide analogy. And what happened in Brazil with the doctor being excommunicated because he did an abortion on a raped 10 year old girl was inexucisible by the RCC.
674 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:22:51pm |
re: #667 HappyWarrior
Have to disagree with you about abortion. Maybe we won't be able to but I feel we should at least try. I do agree with you about the DP and understand your point. Honestly, we need better sex ed in school. Abstinence only may look good on paper but it's a crappy policy.
I'm not happy about abortion either, but I can't imagine what these millions of "unparented" children would do to our society. We were lucky enough to adopt our daughter because her birth mother went to a clinic but couldn't go through with it. Right now there is a surplus of willing adoptive parents, but they would be no match for the vast numbers of children that would be brought to term if abortion is banned.
675 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:23:43pm |
676 | rwmofo Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:24:05pm |
re: #665 Amory Blaine
It was a trick question. He swallowed the bait and ran with it.
677 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:24:13pm |
re: #672 rwmofo
You been reading that Virginia history book?
678 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:24:50pm |
re: #674 stevemcg
I'm not happy about abortion either, but I can't imagine what these millions of "unparented" children would do to our society. We were lucky enough to adopt our daughter because her birth mother went to a clinic but couldn't go through with it. Right now there is a surplus of willing adoptive parents, but they would be no match for the vast numbers of children that would be brought to term if abortion is banned.
Yeah I understand your point. Honestly, I want to reduce the need for abortion in the first place by helping young, poor, and unwed mothers. I'm sure I'd be called a socialist by someone for suggesting such a thing. You have a reasonable point on both issues. Just disagree with you on abortion. I don't vote based on my position on abortion this said. I realize how personal a choice it is and I will never ever judge a woman who makes a tough decision like that one way or the other.
679 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:27:24pm |
re: #609 Dark_Falcon
So because he's send some of his inspectors into black neighborhoods, that proves he's up to no good?
Please. That's just "voter suppression" BS. Chicago has a fraud problem, and Mark Kirk wants to make sure he's protected against it. He wants every legal vote counted. The purpose of inspectors is to avoid shenanigans.
You don't think voter supression is a real concern?
680 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:27:47pm |
re: #610 rwmofo
Help me with democrats who go to church. I haven't heard much about the "religious left." Please explain. BTW, my bullshit detector is turned on right now. Go for it.
Jim Wallis is probably your best man for the religious left.
681 | sagehen Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:27:55pm |
re: #623 lostlakehiker
There's no point in discussing this any longer. If anyone can tell of a Republican coming from behind by 1000 votes, or even a few hundred, to win, let me know.
If such a thing is common in one direction, but unheard of in the other, the hypothesis that it's an honest process and that the swings one sees in the counts are the result of chance factors crumples.
And everyone here knows that.
We don't know any such thing.
We know that the old/half-broken/crappy machines, the ones that squish the ballots and make them hard to read, are most likely to be sent to the poor/minority precincts. Which are much leftier than the wealthier precincts. Their spoilage rate is much higher, so their pickups in a handcount will be proportionately higher.
683 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:29:20pm |
re: #679 SanFranciscoZionist
You don't think voter supression is a real concern?
The thing that amuses me here is that I imagine many of the folks who have convinced themselves that ACORN is behind every corner were the same I heard shouting Sore Loserman back in the day. Vote fraud is a real sisue and at the same time voter suppression is a real one as well.
684 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:29:20pm |
re: #623 lostlakehiker
Come on, you two can't seriously believe this...
:/
Plus: 2
Dark_Falcon, rwmofo
685 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:29:53pm |
re: #616 rwmofo
How about a Driver's License or any acceptable form of ID - like what's required to get on a plane? I don't think a federal ID should be required, but if you want to vote without an ID, then hop behind the wheel and drive off, that smells fishy.
I'm not opposed to voting requiring ID. I make no argument against it, although I have heard some.
But I hesitate to say that voter fraud is a big issue when I so seldom see any real evidence of its taking place.
This is one area where I would rather hear from statistical experts and the like.
686 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:30:34pm |
re: #670 stevemcg
It was a pretty simple point. I'm surprised you couldn't get it. You didin't need Moses to bring down the 10 Commandments to tell you what you should and shouldn't do. Hence, my analogy to the chicken and the egg.
I beg to differ, humanity did need Moses to bring down the 10 Commandments to tell us what's good and what's bad. Sure I was taught the same morals by my parents and teachers who were atheists (think soviet russia in the 70s). But they didn't just wake up one day and realized what's good and what's bad, these morals were passed through generations for thousands of years, and it just happens that they are based on the Torah. You saying it's a coincidence?
Imagine someone growing up on their own without anyone teaching him/her any morals, would he/she not steal/murder/lie/etc.?
687 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:30:36pm |
re: #679 SanFranciscoZionist
I never bought the argument that these extra poll watchers are going to fight voter fraud. I think the real purpose is to keep that bug in your base's ears that people in the inner city (wink wink) are, you know, up to no good.
688 | sagehen Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:30:39pm |
re: #601 rwmofo
Get government spending under control - as in spend less than that which we receive through taxes. It's not really that difficult to comprehend and I'm not the first one to suggest this.
And yet Bill Clinton is the only president in our lifetimes who's done it. Who's even tried. Where was all the conservative appreciation?
689 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:30:40pm |
re: #684 Varek Raith
Come on, you two can't seriously believe this...
:/
Ask them about Bush vs. Gore.
You'll get a different answer.
690 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:31:03pm |
re: #623 lostlakehiker
There's no point in discussing this any longer. If anyone can tell of a Republican coming from behind by 1000 votes, or even a few hundred, to win, let me know.
If such a thing is common in one direction, but unheard of in the other, the hypothesis that it's an honest process and that the swings one sees in the counts are the result of chance factors crumples.
And everyone here knows that.
There's no point in discussing this any longer. You have nothing to argue here.
Any everyone here knows that.
691 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:32:23pm |
re: #643 stevemcg
One thing people fail to realize is that government entitlements go a long way to subsidize poverty level wages.
Sure do.
692 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:33:38pm |
re: #679 SanFranciscoZionist
You don't think voter supression is a real concern?
Not in this case, no. Roger Keats is the Republican running for president of the Cook County board. He has actively tried to gain black support and Mark Kirk is a team player, not the sort of self-interested asshole who'd throw another candidate under the bus for his own advantage. I assure you, based on all my family knows about Mark Kirk, he will not try to suppress any lawful voters.
693 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:33:54pm |
re: #686 yasharki
So you're seriously going to tell me that before Moses, other civilizations, includeing ones that had no contact with the Israelites, had no clue about right and wrong? That before the Ten Commandments, there was no such thing as criminal law?
694 | sagehen Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:34:22pm |
re: #651 Jadespring
Aren't there some states where an original vote margin of that low (few hundred) automatically triggers a recount? (Washington maybe?) I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain there is. If that's the case then it really does speak to the statistical 'possibilities' with margins that small.
There's several states where anything within 1/2 of 1% requires a handcount.
695 | Gus Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:34:30pm |
re: #691 SanFranciscoZionist
Sure do.
Check this out.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
You might notice a pattern here.
696 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:34:46pm |
re: #673 HappyWarrior
I do I have to say despite my more conservative take on abortion really dislike the abortion view that Angle, O'Donnell, and Palin have made prominent in recent months. Can't imagine what it would be like to be a teenaged girl who is raped first off and then told that you're carrying the baby of your rapist. The mental strain would be unimaginable. And candidates like Sharron Angle don't help when they use the life makes you lemonaide analogy. And what happened in Brazil with the doctor being excommunicated because he did an abortion on a raped 10 year old girl was inexucisible by the RCC.
The Church's decisions around that were inexcusable. I am deeply angry about that.
697 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:36:19pm |
re: #683 HappyWarrior
The thing that amuses me here is that I imagine many of the folks who have convinced themselves that ACORN is behind every corner were the same I heard shouting Sore Loserman back in the day. Vote fraud is a real sisue and at the same time voter suppression is a real one as well.
But in both cases, on a small scale, that I believe CAN be dealt with without federal intervention. This hasn't always (see Civil Rights Movement) been the case, but it is now.
698 | Max Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:36:57pm |
699 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:37:30pm |
re: #696 SanFranciscoZionist
The Church's decisions around that were inexcusable. I am deeply angry about that.
It's actually one of the big reasons why I'll probably never officially join teh Catholic church. I consider myself culturally Catholic in that I get guilty easily, admire saints, etc but the church needs to become more understanding on this issue. The girl was ten years old and a rape victim. That's bad enough and add the fact she could have died giving birth too.
700 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:38:43pm |
re: #686 yasharki
I beg to differ, humanity did need Moses to bring down the 10 Commandments to tell us what's good and what's bad. Sure I was taught the same morals by my parents and teachers who were atheists (think soviet russia in the 70s). But they didn't just wake up one day and realized what's good and what's bad, these morals were passed through generations for thousands of years, and it just happens that they are based on the Torah. You saying it's a coincidence?
Imagine someone growing up on their own without anyone teaching him/her any morals, would he/she not steal/murder/lie/etc.?
There's a category of law that the Talmud descibes as being those that any civilized society would create out of self-evident need. Murder, theft and the like.
Pre-Judaic societies had such laws, societies with no contact with Judaism and its related religions had and have such laws.
701 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:40:02pm |
re: #686 yasharki
I beg to differ, humanity did need Moses to bring down the 10 Commandments to tell us what's good and what's bad. Sure I was taught the same morals by my parents and teachers who were atheists (think soviet russia in the 70s). But they didn't just wake up one day and realized what's good and what's bad, these morals were passed through generations for thousands of years, and it just happens that they are based on the Torah. You saying it's a coincidence?
Imagine someone growing up on their own without anyone teaching him/her any morals, would he/she not steal/murder/lie/etc.?
Hate to break it to ya, but a number of civilizations already had such laws long before the Bilbe or Moses or Jesus ever existed.
702 | sagehen Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:40:39pm |
re: #667 HappyWarrior
Have to disagree with you about abortion. Maybe we won't be able to but I feel we should at least try. I do agree with you about the DP and understand your point. Honestly, we need better sex ed in school. Abstinence only may look good on paper but it's a crappy policy.
I'm pro-choice because the bodily autonomy of an existing person outweighs the needs of a potential future person.
I'm anti-death penalty because the Innocence Project has exonerated more than 2% of the people on Death Row -- proved, with DNA, they didn't do what they were convicted of. There's so many cases where there's no biological evidence, or it wasn't maintained well enough to be suitable for testing all these years later, that I'm thinking it's probable there's more innocent people still awaiting execution, but desperately hoping evidence will come available at some future time.
703 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:40:50pm |
re: #701 Varek Raith
Hate to break it to ya, but a number of civilizations already had such laws long before the Bible or Moses or Jesus ever existed.
D'oheth!
704 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:41:38pm |
re: #699 HappyWarrior
It's actually one of the big reasons why I'll probably never officially join teh Catholic church. I consider myself culturally Catholic in that I get guilty easily, admire saints, etc but the church needs to become more understanding on this issue. The girl was ten years old and a rape victim. That's bad enough and add the fact she could have died giving birth too.
Her father was not excommunicated.
If you feel you can judge a doctor aborting the pregnancy of child, but not the man who raped her, you've pretty much negated any right to be listened to in my book.
It's not about choosing life at that point. It's about choosing certain lives over others.
705 | sagehen Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:41:53pm |
re: #672 rwmofo
Reagan could only get Tip O'Neill to agree to tax cuts. GDP almost doubled from 1981-1989 due to lower taxes. Unfortunately he couldn't get Tip to control spending. A partial vicory.
George Bush blew it by not vetoing the budgets the Republican congress gave him. Newt and friends paved the way. They balanced the budget and their successors screwed it up. They deserved to lose in 2006.
Historical revisionist of the most egregious sort. Reagan didn't even try to reduce spending -- he increased military spending by a pretty wide margin.
706 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:44:21pm |
re: #704 SanFranciscoZionist
Her father was not excommunicated.
If you feel you can judge a doctor aborting the pregnancy of child, but not the man who raped her, you've pretty much negated any right to be listened to in my book.
It's not about choosing life at that point. It's about choosing certain lives over others.
I am not too familiar with teh story. The father was the one who raped her, yes? And they did excommunicate the doctor for doing the procedure. Agree with everything you say here. I lost a ton of respect for the church after learning about this. The abuse scandals of course have played a big role too and people like Bill Donahue always playing the persecutiong card.
707 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:45:02pm |
re: #693 stevemcg
So you're seriously going to tell me that before Moses, other civilizations, includeing ones that had no contact with the Israelites, had no clue about right and wrong? That before the Ten Commandments, there was no such thing as criminal law?
What does criminal law have to do with any of this? You're mixing law and morals again.
To answer your question: sure other civilizations had laws and had an idea of what's wrong and what's right, but it was dictated by the strongest individual or pure anarchy. Judaism on the other hand made what you call "morals" into universal set of laws, dictated by God, therefore making everyone equal before God's judgement, and requiring all to follow universal set of rules.
708 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:46:51pm |
re: #707 yasharki
Same thing different dictator.
Replace "strongest individual" with God.
Same thing.
709 | sagehen Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:46:51pm |
re: #686 yasharki
I beg to differ, humanity did need Moses to bring down the 10 Commandments to tell us what's good and what's bad. Sure I was taught the same morals by my parents and teachers who were atheists (think soviet russia in the 70s). But they didn't just wake up one day and realized what's good and what's bad, these morals were passed through generations for thousands of years, and it just happens that they are based on the Torah. You saying it's a coincidence?
Imagine someone growing up on their own without anyone teaching him/her any morals, would he/she not steal/murder/lie/etc.?
And yet the Chinese, the Maya, Buddhists, the Iroquois, and a gazillion other cultures managed to forbid those things without ever having heard of Moses or Jesus.
710 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:46:52pm |
re: #700 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a category of law that the Talmud descibes as being those that any civilized society would create out of self-evident need. Murder, theft and the like.
Pre-Judaic societies had such laws, societies with no contact with Judaism and its related religions had and have such laws.
Yeah, sure, it's "don't do upon other what you don't want be done to yourself", that's pretty self evident, unless you have a bigger gun...
711 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:47:56pm |
re: #702 sagehen
I'm pro-choice because the bodily autonomy of an existing person outweighs the needs of a potential future person.
I'm anti-death penalty because the Innocence Project has exonerated more than 2% of the people on Death Row -- proved, with DNA, they didn't do what they were convicted of. There's so many cases where there's no biological evidence, or it wasn't maintained well enough to be suitable for testing all these years later, that I'm thinking it's probable there's more innocent people still awaiting execution, but desperately hoping evidence will come available at some future time.
Yeah I understand your point. I'm personally pro life in that I would advise a woman not to have an abortion but politically I tend to support more pro choice candidtes which is more conicedental since I tend to agree with them on a broader scheme of issues. You're anti DP for the same reason I am though. It seems like every day when I read the paper I read about someone being exonarated due to faulty evidence. Just makes one thing about how many were wrongly convicted before the advent of DNA techonlogy in the late 80's.
713 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:49:27pm |
re: #706 HappyWarrior
I am not too familiar with teh story. The father was the one who raped her, yes? And they did excommunicate the doctor for doing the procedure. Agree with everything you say here. I lost a ton of respect for the church after learning about this. The abuse scandals of course have played a big role too and people like Bill Donahue always playing the persecutiong card.
714 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:49:39pm |
re: #707 yasharki
Oh brother. The most basic of any society's laws are an expression of its moral values. Did they have a few extra laws, like don't fuck with the Pharoah? Sure, but the overwhelming majority of the laws of any society are based on common moral values, like don't rip me off, don't go around beating people up.
715 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:51:24pm |
re: #707 yasharki
What does criminal law have to do with any of this? You're mixing law and morals again.
To answer your question: sure other civilizations had laws and had an idea of what's wrong and what's right, but it was dictated by the strongest individual or pure anarchy.
I think that is a selective reading of history.
716 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:52:11pm |
re: #709 sagehen
And yet the Chinese, the Maya, Buddhists, the Iroquois, and a gazillion other cultures managed to forbid those things without ever having heard of Moses or Jesus.
Maya practiced human sacrifice in the name of their gods, while Japanese Buddhists worshiped death hoping to be reborn in a higher cast...
717 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:52:13pm |
re: #710 yasharki
Yeah, sure, it's "don't do upon other what you don't want be done to yourself", that's pretty self evident, unless you have a bigger gun...
Which is why legal codes were created.
718 | HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:52:20pm |
719 | stevemcg Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:53:00pm |
Gotta bail, the wife's lymphedema suit sprung a leak.
720 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:53:43pm |
re: #717 SanFranciscoZionist
Which is why legal codes were created.
Right, but there isn't a law against fucking your friend's wife is there? So how do you know it's not a good thing to do?
721 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:55:29pm |
re: #716 yasharki
Maya practiced human sacrifice in the name of their gods, while Japanese Buddhists worshiped death hoping to be reborn in a higher cast...
And Christians burned people at the stake for believing in the wrong branch of the Abrahamic faiths.
History is long and complicated.
That doesn't mean that there is no legal code based in the idea of divine morality outside of Torah.
722 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:56:22pm |
re: #719 stevemcg
Gotta bail, the wife's lymphedema suit sprung a leak.
Good luck with that. I don't even really know what that implies. Are you going to patch her, or run to the ER?
723 | Stanghazi Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:56:37pm |
re: #688 sagehen
And yet Bill Clinton is the only president in our lifetimes who's done it. Who's even tried. Where was all the conservative appreciation?
They were appreciating his blow job instead.
724 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:57:59pm |
re: #715 SanFranciscoZionist
I think that is a selective reading of history.
Please expand on your argument.
725 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:58:00pm |
re: #720 yasharki
Right, but there isn't a law against fucking your friend's wife is there? So how do you know it's not a good thing to do?
That's where moral codes and social taboos--also developed by societies worldwide--come in.
They also vary. In Sparta, IIRC, knocking up your friend's wife if he were at war, and she fertile, was seen as a highly moral thing to do.
726 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:00:20pm |
re: #724 yasharki
Please expand on your argument.
Lets go with the Greeks. They believed that law and morality were sacred to their gods, and they created a society that reflected that belief. Their literature is full of warnings of what happens if you violate the accepted mores of their culture. Would you say that isn't the case?
727 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:01:05pm |
re: #721 SanFranciscoZionist
And Christians burned people at the stake for believing in the wrong branch of the Abrahamic faiths.
History is long and complicated.
That doesn't mean that there is no legal code based in the idea of divine morality outside of Torah.
Sure, Romans and Greeks had a very good code of laws while being pagans, I'm not disputing the fact. All I'm trying to say is that we cannot deny that our modern day morals are based on religious teachings among other things, we cannot just write it off as common sense.
728 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:03:14pm |
re: #727 yasharki
Sure, Romans and Greeks had a very good code of laws while being pagans, I'm not disputing the fact. All I'm trying to say is that we cannot deny that our modern day morals are based on religious teachings among other things, we cannot just write it off as common sense.
Sure, but we can also say that we don't hold religious beliefs, while still thinking that the morality of our society is a good thing.
729 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:03:28pm |
re: #726 SanFranciscoZionist
Lets go with the Greeks. They believed that law and morality were sacred to their gods, and they created a society that reflected that belief. Their literature is full of warnings of what happens if you violate the accepted mores of their culture. Would you say that isn't the case?
So, badabing, you just proved my point, they based their moral code on Gods law :)
730 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:04:59pm |
re: #727 yasharki
Sure, Romans and Greeks had a very good code of laws while being pagans, I'm not disputing the fact. All I'm trying to say is that we cannot deny that our modern day morals are based on religious teachings among other things, we cannot just write it off as common sense.
And hey, the Romans get off for slavery, torture, gladiatorial games, worldwide conquest, and wives and children being the legal property of the man of the house, and hey have a good code of laws, while the Maya are criticized for human sacrifice?
731 | TedStriker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:05:00pm |
re: #633 Gus 802
Anyone that thinks Al Franken "stole the election" should get fitted for a tin foil hat.
Full stop.
In fact, Franken is much more involved in the policymaking process than Coleman ever was...the major stick up the asses of many on the right about Franken is that he has a (D) after his name and had a career as a comedian/actor before politics (never mind that he's been involved in politics in one way or another for decades).
To that, I say: so fucking what...as long as he's doing the job that his constituents have put him in Congress to do and does it right, so be it. I may not have cared for Franken's brand of humor, but if he's half the policy wonk he's been told to be, that's the kind of person I want on Capital Hill.
732 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:06:08pm |
re: #728 SanFranciscoZionist
Sure, but we can also say that we don't hold religious beliefs, while still thinking that the morality of our society is a good thing.
Absolutely! I never disputed this.
733 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:06:30pm |
re: #729 yasharki
So, badabing, you just proved my point, they based their moral code on Gods law :)
Badabing, I didn't realize that was your point. Up to this point, you appeared to be arguing that Torah was the sole revelation of moral law. If any culture is allowed to have a revelation from their own deities, that's rather different.
734 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:07:01pm |
736 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:13:29pm |
re: #730 SanFranciscoZionist
And hey, the Romans get off for slavery, torture, gladiatorial games, worldwide conquest, and wives and children being the legal property of the man of the house, and hey have a good code of laws, while the Maya are criticized for human sacrifice?
You forgot to mention Christians, they've annihilated majority of peoples of both Americas, all the while carrying the cross. What's interesting is how no-one ever mentions this fact during "islamaphobic" debates. Sure Muslims enslaved and killed a shitload of people, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to what Europeans have done...
737 | TedStriker Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:13:43pm |
738 | yasharki Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:14:45pm |
739 | goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:43:33pm |
NPR gives Juan Williams the bigfoot.
Williams responded: "Look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."
740 | ClaudeMonet Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:46:38pm |
re: #686 yasharki
I beg to differ, humanity did need Moses to bring down the 10 Commandments to tell us what's good and what's bad. Sure I was taught the same morals by my parents and teachers who were atheists (think soviet russia in the 70s). But they didn't just wake up one day and realized what's good and what's bad, these morals were passed through generations for thousands of years, and it just happens that they are based on the Torah. You saying it's a coincidence?
Imagine someone growing up on their own without anyone teaching him/her any morals, would he/she not steal/murder/lie/etc.?
The Torah codified basic ethical precepts that were developed long before (albeit not in such detail). IMO much of the Torah is based on long-extant ideas about ethical conduct, not the vice versa you claim.
741 | Stanghazi Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:53:29pm |
re: #739 goddamnedfrank
NPR gives Juan Williams the bigfoot.
Williams responded: "Look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."
[Video]
Just saw that. I really liked Juan Williams' view when he used to talk about the black viewpoint on NPR.
Then he got that Fox contract and became, uh ? Whacked out? It never set well with me, remembering how he used to be.
742 | Winny Spencer Thu, Oct 21, 2010 12:42:03am |
Uh oh, the Shrieking Harpy is less than pleased with Christine O'Donnell throwing her under the bus:
From her abominable blog:
"UPDATE: Christine O'Donnell has caved to Salon. No, this is not satire. She actually removed my endorsement from her endorsement page. That took, what? Five minutes? Unbelievable, caving to the crazies at Salon whose currency is destroying voices of reason. It is a pity that a "maverick" and "outsider" would lack any spine and exhibit such incredible political cowardice. ENDORSEMENT WITHDRAWN. It's a shame that this is the quality of people we have representing us against the Obama machine. How can we win?"
ENDORSEMENT WITHDRAWN! Wow.
745 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Oct 21, 2010 1:01:00am |
re: #670 stevemcg
It was a pretty simple point. I'm surprised you couldn't get it. You didin't need Moses to bring down the 10 Commandments to tell you what you should and shouldn't do. Hence, my analogy to the chicken and the egg.
We don't know what the people listed as good or bad before Moses. The big thing about that is that they were written down at that point and formed the basis of a tradition that has lasted over centuries and millenia.
The Laws of Moses also represented a change in which the Jewish people were living: nomadic tribesmen work with a different code of laws in a community where everybody knows everyone else and most property is held communally.
Just like the fact that copyright and intellectual property laws are not needed in an illiterate society.
Religion teaches us that there are certain fundamental truths that do not change, but jurisprudence teaches us that the laws governing human interaction must change with the circumstances of our interaction.
Which is the problem I have with Sharia law or Christian fundamentalist teaching: they still want us to by laws and rules that applied to tribal goatherders in the middle East.
747 | harlequinade Thu, Oct 21, 2010 3:22:50am |
Going back to the OT, I lived in Germany of years, one of them in Berlin. And if you want to travel - Berlin. Damn. There's a city. East/West and the glass and steel new construction through what used to be no-man's land. If I could live there and commute to any job in the world - there's where I'd be.
AAAANNYYYway. I had a German girlfriend, and I shared with her the American advert for, I believe, Beck's beer. There was a terrible German stand-up comedian doing a gag, I was told, about light bulbs. "Thank you, I'll be here all the week." Or, as I know say "Sank Ewe. I'll be ere all da veek"
She fell about, and thought it was the funniest thing she'd heard, given the German stereotype. She loved it so much that the next time she was with her German friends, she told them.
To which they replied, with straight faces, "I don't see why that is funny. I know many Germans with good senses of humour. What are they trying to say with that advert?"
Aslo - re: #243 imp_62
The Dutch, British and Germans have miserable reputations as tourists. One of these groups regularly ranks ahead of Americans in "ugly tourist" polls. Ask the Spanish how they feel about the summer beach season.
re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist
Brits can't help it. They're irresistably attracted to sun. And Spain is so close...so very close...and you can get chips...
This is the reason, when in Europe, I try and live in places that other Brits don't go.
748 | jordash1212 Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:56:38am |
Anyone else find the YouTube comments especially funny? I like the arguments about who is more humble for being more humble for pointing out that someone is trying too hard to be self-deprecating.
In any event, the rest of the world seems to keep importing our strange culture:
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