The GOP’s Quid Pro Quo

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The right wing astroturfers are calling in their markers.

After defeating Feingold, Johnson himself has turned to K Street for help - hiring homeland security lobbyist Donald H. Kent Jr. as his chief of staff.

Johnson is not alone: Many incoming GOP lawmakers have hired registered lobbyists as senior aides. Several of the candidates won with strong support from the anti-establishment tea party movement.

These cases illustrate the endurance of Washington’s traditional power structure, even in the wake of an election dominated by insurgent rhetoric. In addition to hiring lobbyists, many newly elected House Republicans have begun holding big-dollar fundraisers in Washington to pay off debts and begin preparing for 2012.

In addition to Johnson, Sen.-elect Mike Lee (Utah) has announced that energy lobbyist Spencer Stokes will be his chief of staff. Tea party favorite Rand Paul (Ky.) has hired anti-union lobbyist Douglas Stafford as his top senatorial aide.

In the House, Rep.-elect Charlie Bass (N.H.) has named food industry lobbyist John W. Billings as his chief of staff. Billings was a senior aide to Bass during an earlier stint on Capitol Hill.

Sen.-elect Chip Cravaack (Minn.) has hired former U.S. senator and former lobbyist Rod Grams as his interim chief of staff, though aides have said the posting is probably not permanent. Grams’s lobbying clients from 2002 to 2006 included 3M, Norfolk Southern and the Financial Services Roundtable, records show.

Other incoming GOP lawmakers who have recruited staff from K Street include Robert Dold (Ill.), Steve Pearce (N.M.) and Jeff Denham (Calif.). John Goodwin of the National Rifle Association, one of Washington’s most powerful lobbying groups, has signed on as chief of staff for Rep.-elect Raul Labrador (Idaho).

Voters in Indiana chose a former lobbyist, Dan Coats, to represent them for a second time in the Senate.

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494 comments
1 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:27:50pm

This is why America can't have nice things.

2 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:28:04pm

The Washington Post runs a hit piece against Republicans for doing the same thing Democrat politicians do. In other news, bears have been using the woods as their own personal bathroom.

3 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:28:33pm

///This is a difference Jonhson then you right?

4 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:29:50pm

re: #2 rwmofo

The Washington Post runs a hit piece against Republicans for doing the same thing Democrat politicians do. In other news, bears have been using the woods as their own personal bathroom.

Can you find me some links to democrats doing this as pathetically obviously as the GOP is?

Especially while claiming to represent the "common man"?

5 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:31:28pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

Democrats hire from lobbyists too. But yeah, the point is that the Tea Party types supposedly represent something outside the establishment, but it's totally phony.

6 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:32:24pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

Can you find me some links to democrats doing this as pathetically obviously as the GOP is?

Especially while claiming to represent the "common man"?

Not in the Washington Post. Negative stories about the Democrat Party are against their "guidelines."

7 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:34:10pm

re: #6 rwmofo

Not in the Washington Post. Negative stories about the Democrat Party are against their "guidelines."

I've always loved argument by assertion.

8 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:34:17pm

re: #2 rwmofo

The Washington Post runs a hit piece against Republicans for doing the same thing Democrat politicians do. In other news, bears have been using the woods as their own personal bathroom.

True that. This is just what Congress does. It pisses people off, but they do it anyway. [growls]

9 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:34:38pm

re: #6 rwmofo

Not in the Washington Post. Negative stories about the Democrat Party are against their "guidelines."

Use any news paper you want then.

10 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:36:56pm

Evening lizards!

11 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:38:25pm

hullo lizards....especially my lizard...I named him tiny cause he's my newt

12 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:38:30pm

re: #9 jamesfirecat

Use any news paper you want then.



Finding links to Democrat lobbyists
is about as hard as getting a hamburger at a drive-thru.

13 jaunte  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:38:39pm

The Post story links to this Sunlight Foundation remix that gives some statistics on the recent rapid increase in lobbying money:

In the wake of the Supreme Court’s Citizen’s United decision, and the failure of Congress to pass legislation requiring disclosure on new unlimited campaign spending, Sunlight is renewing and heightening its call for online, real-time and expanded disclosure of lobbyists’ contacts with members of Congress and the Executive Branch. In absence of having a clear picture of who’s funding our elections – and who our politicians will be beholden to when they assume office – there’s a new urgency to follow how lobbyists ply their trade: who they meet with, how much they are paid by those they represent, what they are talking about – all in real time when it matters.
[Link: blog.sunlightfoundation.com...]
14 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:39:18pm

re: #12 rwmofo


Finding links to Democrat lobbyists
is about as hard as getting a hamburger at a drive-thru.

Down ding for the peurile use of Democrat rather than Democratic

15 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:39:31pm

re: #11 PT Barnum

hullo lizards...especially my lizard...I named him tiny cause he's my newt

TMI.

Wayyy TMI.

16 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:41:20pm

re: #15 b_sharp

TMI.

Wayyy TMI.

Not my trouser snake..my lizard..

17 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:41:37pm

re: #9 jamesfirecat

Use any news paper you want then.

Here's a link from a "right-wing rag."

Headline: Are Democratic lobbyists invisible to the media?

Heh. This is too easy.

18 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:41:43pm

re: #12 rwmofo


Finding links to Democrat lobbyists
is about as hard as getting a hamburger at a drive-thru.

TL:DR give me a quote of the relevant portion I saw more about Corporations hiring on previous democratic politicans then democratic politicans hiring on lobbiests, or maybe I just fail at reading comprehension....

19 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:41:51pm

Anti establishment tea baggers ran against special interests and lobbyists controling the process. Then the first thing they do is hire lobbyists to protect special interests.

20 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:42:38pm

re: #17 rwmofo

Here's a link from a "right-wing rag."

Headline: Are Democratic lobbyists invisible to the media?

Heh. This is too easy.

Okay I concede this particular field and thank you for using "Democratic" that time.

21 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:42:51pm

re: #17 rwmofo

You seem to be missing the point.


Democrats hire from lobbyists too. But yeah, the point is that the Tea Party types supposedly represent something outside the establishment, but it's totally phony.
22 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:43:35pm

Do you guys have any idea of how hard it is to find the scene from "Animal House" where Belushi gets everyone to start coughing "Blowjob! Blowjob!" without being completely overwhelmed by porn?

23 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:43:51pm

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Do you guys have any idea of how hard it is to find the scene from "Animal House" where Belushi gets everyone to start coughing "Blowjob! Blowjob!" without being completely overwhelmed by porn?

My google fu is superior!

24 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:44:08pm

re: #20 jamesfirecat

Okay I concede this particular field and thank you for using "Democratic" that time.

Give credit where it's due: The Washington Examiner.

25 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:45:06pm

re: #24 rwmofo

Give credit where it's due: The Washington Examiner.

Yes, the Washington Examiner, to newspaper publishing what Fox News is to TV.

26 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:45:09pm

re: #23 jamesfirecat

My google fu is superior!

I was spoiled in my attempts at a lengthier search by my 7 year old coming in and reading over my shoulder.

27 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:45:15pm

re: #6 rwmofo

Not in the Washington Post. Negative stories about the Democrat Party are against their "guidelines."

Oh you brainwashed soul.

28 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:46:17pm

the comments at foxnews.com about the Texas GOP being antisemitic is pretty much thunder dome

29 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:46:31pm

re: #16 PT Barnum

Not my trouser snake..my lizard..

I was working in a school a few weeks ago, and ran across a garter snake slithering down the hall, so I picked it up and put it outside. It was about 5 inches long and 1/4 inch in diameter.

I should have kept it so I could give it to you for your trousers.

30 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:46:32pm

re: #23 jamesfirecat

My google fu is superior!

I have brought shame and disgrace upon my ancestors... I will atone for this by tonight taking my animal house dvd, ripping the scene and posting it myself!

31 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:47:11pm

re: #30 jamesfirecat

I have brought shame and disgrace upon my ancestors... I will atone for this by tonight taking my animal house dvd, ripping the scene and posting it myself!

Honor is restored to my house.

32 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:47:53pm

re: #19 Amory Blaine

Anti establishment tea baggers ran against special interests and lobbyists controling the process. Then the first thing they do is hire lobbyists to protect special interests.

That is the point.

33 freetoken  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:48:04pm
The right wing astroturfers are calling in their markers.

Astroturf indeed.

There's a word for those true believers who went to those staged Tea Party rallies.

They're called "marks".

34 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:48:45pm

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Do you guys have any idea of how hard it is to find the scene from "Animal House" where Belushi gets everyone to start coughing "Blowjob! Blowjob!" without being completely overwhelmed by porn?

How hard did you really try?

35 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:49:12pm

re: #33 freetoken

Astroturf indeed.

There's a word for those true believers who went to those staged Tea Party rallies.

They're called "marks".

This cartoon says it all

36 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:50:17pm

re: #28 SpaceJesus

the comments at foxnews.com about the Texas GOP being antisemitic is pretty much thunder dome

You mean in the same way as Blaster, having the mind of a (spoiled) child?

37 freetoken  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:50:33pm

re: #35 publicityStunted

This cartoon says it all

Indeed.

38 Gus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:51:05pm

Thank you again for joining our team! Welcome to a campaign, and more importantly, a cause worth fighting for. I looking forward to working with you in what is certain to be a fight against a large machine, but we will again prove that the people—not money or lobbyists—are the machine that matters most. -- Mike Lee

But after defeating Feingold, Johnson himself has turned to K Street for help - hiring homeland security lobbyist Donald H. Kent Jr. as his chief of staff.

39 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:51:11pm

re: #34 b_sharp

How hard did you really try?

See 23

40 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:51:43pm

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Honor is restored to my house.

There just aren't that many animal house clips on the internet, but don't worry my brother owns it on DVD I'll get him to tell me where he keeps said DVD before he goes to sleep and I already have the stuff I need to rip a clip from it installed on my machine...

41 Gus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:51:47pm

re: #38 Gus 802

Thank you again for joining our team! Welcome to a campaign, and more importantly, a cause worth fighting for. I looking forward to working with you in what is certain to be a fight against a large machine, but we will again prove that the people—not money or lobbyists—are the machine that matters most. -- Mike Lee

But after defeating Feingold, Johnson himself has turned to K Street for help - hiring homeland security lobbyist Donald H. Kent Jr. as his chief of staff.

We need answers to solve the problems we have, not just rhetoric. Mike has identified significant problems and proposed solutions. Mike has a plan.

When our Constitution is being attacked by politicians and lobbyists who think that government is the answer, I want Mike there to defend it.

Mike is the best candidate to represent our state in the U.S. Senate.

42 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:51:54pm

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Do you guys have any idea of how hard it is to find the scene from "Animal House" where Belushi gets everyone to start coughing "Blowjob! Blowjob!" without being completely overwhelmed by porn?

Is this what you are looking for?

43 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:51:59pm

re: #14 PT Barnum

Down ding for the peurile use of Democrat rather than Democratic

I wonder if rwmofo's remark counts as a Freudian slip?

44 stevemcg  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:52:15pm

I think the newcomers are going to be in for a rude awakening once they have to govern.

45 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:52:32pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

See 23

Caught in the act, eh?

46 jaunte  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:52:53pm

re: #28 SpaceJesus

This quote from the Foxnews Texas Speaker story is pretty funny.

"I think God has blessed our state," Cook said. And he rejected the way he's been portrayed, saying he's not anti-Semitic.

"It's not true at all. I have friends who are Jewish," he said. "I have no racial bigotry."

47 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:53:20pm

Does anyone know if the Colts-Titans game is only on the NFL Network?

48 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:53:46pm

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

Is this what you are looking for?


[Video]

This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by NBC Universal.

Would you care to commit seppeku with me as the morning sun rises?

49 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:54:14pm

re: #47 rwmofo

Does anyone know if the Colts-Titans game is only on the NFL Network?

Yes, its only on NFL Network.

50 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:54:21pm

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

Is this what you are looking for?

[Video]

Video no longer available.

51 Gus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:54:29pm
52 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:54:52pm

re: #48 jamesfirecat

This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by NBC Universal.

Would you care to commit seppeku with me as the morning sun rises?

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Video no longer available.


Let's try this again...

53 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:55:34pm

re: #46 jaunte

This quote from the Foxnews Texas Speaker story is pretty funny.

Does he let them use his toilet?

54 Gus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:55:35pm
55 jaunte  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:56:15pm

re: #53 b_sharp

Well, sure, the one for visitors.

56 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:56:19pm

re: #47 rwmofo

Does anyone know if the Colts-Titans game is only on the NFL Network?

Yes..All Thursday night games are...27-14 Indy 9:35 left in the 4th

57 researchok  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:57:49pm

re: #54 Gus 802

Oops II

If you close your eyes, it doesn't exist.
/

58 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:57:50pm

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Let's try this again...

[Video]

Missed it by that much.

59 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:57:53pm

re: #46 jaunte

Oh that's too good.

"I have friends who are Jewish, I just don't trust them with certain aspects of public office is all."

60 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:58:06pm

re: #54 Gus 802

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

It's the biggest problem I have with Obama, actually.

61 Lidane  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:58:08pm

re: #6 rwmofo

If you honestly believe that, you've never read the Washington Post or its editorial pages. It's hardly the bastion of bleeding heart liberalism that some folks on the right like to pretend it is.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:58:30pm

re: #46 jaunte

This quote from the Foxnews Texas Speaker story is pretty funny.

Yeah, kiss my ass, Cook.

63 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:58:54pm

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Let's try this again...


[Video]

Your google fu is superior I am SLAIN !

64 jaunte  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:59:12pm

Roger Ebert on the Westboro Baptist latest nastiness:
[Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]

65 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:59:18pm

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

You're pretty resourceful when it comes to finding stuff. Any idea where I can find my other sock? If it's at my last GF's house, I'll just wear one sock and call it a win.

66 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:59:51pm

re: #60 Obdicut

The sad part is that Obama only used the waiver thingy for three people. So why did he even do it? I fail to believe there couldn't have been three other people that were suited for those jobs.

67 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:59:54pm

re: #56 HoosierHoops

Yes..All Thursday night games are...27-14 Indy 9:35 left in the 4th

That's good news. Indy gets to club the Titans and get a much needed win.

68 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:00:33pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

Your google fu is superior I am SLAIN !

Not so fast!

The line in question was still not in that clip.

69 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:01:45pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

That's good news. Indy gets to club the Titans and get a much needed win.

Titans just scored...Dang it! Noose is 13 knots right?
/

70 Gus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:01:49pm

re: #60 Obdicut

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

It's the biggest problem I have with Obama, actually.

It's an easy promise to break. Getting rid of lobbying interests and special interest groups is next to impossible. They are part of the system and they are an institution. Say we did manage to get rid of lobbying. Would that really be to our interest? Then what about special interest groups. If we got rid of both who would be there to lobby congress for a particular interest?

71 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:03:45pm

re: #70 Gus 802

True. But i think that Obama's two year barrier made a lot of sense and kept a low barrier. And a lot of those lobbyists are coming from nonprofits and the like, not industry groups. His rules are still better than anyone else's were.

Which makes the waivers all the more inexplicable, to me.

72 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:04:20pm

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Missed it by that much.

Last try. Try here.

73 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:04:59pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not so fast!

The line in question was still not in that clip.

Well sadly my brother's copy is missing at the moment, so that I won't be able upload it from there either....

74 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:05:03pm

re: #69 HoosierHoops

Can't imagine the NFL playoffs without the Colts. They need to turn it up a notch.

75 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:05:38pm

re: #65 rwmofo

You're pretty resourceful when it comes to finding stuff. Any idea where I can find my other sock? If it's at my last GF's house, I'll just wear one sock and call it a win.

Umm, what do you do with your socks late at night?

76 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:06:51pm

re: #74 rwmofo

Can't imagine the NFL playoffs without the Colts. They need to turn it up a notch.

Quite Concur.

77 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:07:41pm

re: #75 NJDhockeyfan

Umm, what do you do with your socks late at night?

Have you ever had to take an unplanned run? There's a tendency to drop stuff.

78 researchok  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:08:20pm

re: #66 Obdicut

The sad part is that Obama only used the waiver thingy for three people. So why did he even do it? I fail to believe there couldn't have been three other people that were suited for those jobs.

I can't blame him- the system is broken. Lobbyists and staff are an embedded problem.

What bothers me is how few people really care enough about it. Like everything else, a busted DC is a political football.

rwmofo was right in his comment and the response here was predictable. Partisanship carries more weight than integrity- for both sides.

Look at the health care waivers. You can be sure lobbyists ram that through.

The same applies to the GOP. Lobbyists call and they jump.

No one said. 'Damn, that's bad' save for you. It's never easy to beat on your own team, but I give you credit for that.

79 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:08:52pm

Sorry I'm posting less. I'm kind of tired.

80 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:08:55pm

re: #72 NJDhockeyfan

Last try. Try here.

Yeah, at about 2:30 into the clip.

81 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:09:12pm

The one piece of good news is that I've got the VHS of the movie so that come Christmas I'll finally get that box I need to turn VHSs into DVDs and upload it that way...

82 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:09:38pm

re: #75 NJDhockeyfan

Umm, what do you do with your socks late at night?

THATS A TRICK QUESTION FOR THE STALKERS, ISN'T IT?!?!

83 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:09:41pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

I keep calling my friends in Indy..It's insane right now

84 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:10:12pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Sorry I'm posting less. I'm kind of tired.

Then go get some sleep. Your health is more important than talking with us.

85 Gus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:10:28pm

re: #71 Obdicut

True. But i think that Obama's two year barrier made a lot of sense and kept a low barrier. And a lot of those lobbyists are coming from nonprofits and the like, not industry groups. His rules are still better than anyone else's were.

Which makes the waivers all the more inexplicable, to me.

And making promises one can't or doesn't keep. That the problem with the Tea Party. Many of us here could see through the facade especially regarding their anti-DC establishment talk. They are fast becoming part of the DC establishment. This not only includes lobbying interests but their latest cause which is to go along with GOP in redefining earmarks.


The legislative and the executive branch are but a mere spec in the Washington establishment which reaches well into Virginia.

86 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:11:07pm

re: #83 HoosierHoops

Hello, you.

87 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:11:26pm

re: #6 rwmofo

Not in the Washington Post. Negative stories about the Democrat Party are against their "guidelines."

Bullshit, teabag/republic party tool. The WaPo Op-Ed page is filled with conservatives. And their straight news reporting is hardly as biased as you claim.

You're recycling Limbaugh's arguments from the 90's.

88 Gus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:12:01pm

re: #78 researchok

I can't blame him- the system is broken. Lobbyists and staff are an embedded problem.

What bothers me is how few people really care enough about it. Like everything else, a busted DC is a political football.

rwmofo was right in his comment and the response here was predictable. Partisanship carries more weight than integrity- for both sides.

Look at the health care waivers. You can be sure lobbyists ram that through.

The same applies to the GOP. Lobbyists call and they jump.

No one said. 'Damn, that's bad' save for you. It's never easy to beat on your own team, but I give you credit for that.

It all depends on how you define lobbyist.

//

89 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:12:08pm

Holy crap, Jon Stewart is ripping on the Sons of the Confederacy!

90 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:12:31pm

re: #84 b_sharp

Then go get some sleep. Your health is more important than talking with us.

I'll head to bed in a little while.

91 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:13:24pm

re: #84 b_sharp

Then go get some sleep. Your health is more important than talking with us.

Sometimes LGF can raise your blood pressure. I say make a nice strong nightcap then dream about gum drops.

92 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:13:31pm

re: #89 jamesfirecat

Holy crap, Jon Stewart is ripping on the Sons of the Confederacy!

And they're doing it in the most hilarious way imaginable!

93 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:13:35pm

re: #86 Floral Giraffe

Hello, you.

Hi You! 3 minutes left in the game..Go Colts!

94 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:13:52pm

re: #82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THATS A TRICK QUESTION FOR THE STALKERS, ISN'T IT?!?!

LOL!
They take them out for "walkies" of course!

95 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:14:34pm

re: #89 jamesfirecat

Holy crap, Jon Stewart is ripping on the Sons of the Confederacy!

And Indy just kicked a FG. They are up 30-21 now.

96 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:15:17pm

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

And Indy just kicked a FG. They are up 30-21 now.

And Mark Levin is yelling on the radio again.

97 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:15:26pm

re: #91 NJDhockeyfan

Sometimes LGF can raise your blood pressure. I say make a nice strong nightcap then dream about gum drops.

Speaking of gum drops, my wife made some gum drop cake I need a slice of right about now.

BBIAM.

98 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:15:30pm

re: #78 researchok

I can't blame him- the system is broken. Lobbyists and staff are an embedded problem.

rwmofo was right in his comment and the response here was predictable. Partisanship carries more weight than integrity- for both sides.

No, it wasn't. First of all, Obama really has made more restrictive rules against lobbyists than any other president. He's not done nearly as well as he promised; he's still miles ahead.

Second of all, the Tea Party people used explicit language and a very, very, very explicit promise of staying away from lobbyists and not falling into the honey pit. They are immediately, instantly, right away breaking that promise. I will be sincerely surprised if there is one of them that does anything at all to create a policy limiting lobbyists on staff.

Biden's deputy chief of staff is a terrible ex-lobbyist, a complete jerk. His hiring is the biggest sign, to me, that Biden would be a nightmare as a president, a complete corporatist. If you want an example of a truly soulless lobbyist, check out Alan Hoffman.

99 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:15:43pm

One of two things will happen. Either the Tea Partiers will be really upset about this, and protest, threaten primary challenges, scream about RINO's, etc. Or they will realize that they got what they wanted (GOP victories in midterms), and now they will basically shut up about the gop and continue their attacks on Comrade Obama.

My guess is the latter. The Tea Party was primarily disgruntled gopers. Now that they've won, their mood has switched to gruntled, thus they'll accept business as usual, as long as it's controlled by the GOP.

100 researchok  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:15:45pm

re: #88 Gus 802

It all depends on how you define lobbyist.

//

Beaucoup ostriches.

Another real world problem.

101 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:16:07pm

"They thought the north counted slaves as too much of a person..."

Okay they're actually wrong on this one, because the South wanted Slaves to be counted as a full person for the purpose of how many congressmen they got and...

Well I don't need to go into the background of the 3/4ths compromise that deeply....

102 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:17:39pm

re: #101 jamesfirecat

"They thought the north counted slaves as too much of a person..."

Okay they're actually wrong on this one, because the South wanted Slaves to be counted as a full person for the purpose of how many congressmen they got and...

Well I don't need to go into the background of the 3/4ths compromise that deeply...

It was 3/5ths BTW James.

103 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:17:40pm

re: #91 NJDhockeyfan

Sometimes LGF can raise your blood pressure. I say make a nice strong nightcap then dream about gum drops.

Or you could dream about her.

104 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:18:07pm

re: #101 jamesfirecat

Well I don't need to go into the background of the 3/4ths compromise that deeply...

But it wasn't 3/4, it was the 3/5ths Compromise. See, the South got screwed. They had to secede and lead us into Civil War.

105 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:18:18pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

It was 3/5ths BTW James.

Yeah my finger slipped... that's the hell of LGF not having an edit posts feature...

106 Gus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:20:21pm
107 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:20:39pm

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

And Mark Levin is yelling on the radio again.

He's still on? I thought his show was over 2 hours ago.

108 researchok  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:21:07pm

re: #98 Obdicut

No, it wasn't. First of all, Obama really has made more restrictive rules against lobbyists than any other president. He's not done nearly as well as he promised; he's still miles ahead.

Second of all, the Tea Party people used explicit language and a very, very, very explicit promise of staying away from lobbyists and not falling into the honey pit. They are immediately, instantly, right away breaking that promise. I will be sincerely surprised if there is one of them that does anything at all to create a policy limiting lobbyists on staff.

Biden's deputy chief of staff is a terrible ex-lobbyist, a complete jerk. His hiring is the biggest sign, to me, that Biden would be a nightmare as a president, a complete corporatist. If you want an example of a truly soulless lobbyist, check out Alan Hoffman.

Not enough lipstick, my friend.

The WH and and the rest of DC are as polluted as ever. The 'most ethical Congress ever' doesn't even get a laugh anymore. There wasn't even the pretense of things changing in the Congress. Aren't the Dems supposed to be better people? Isn't that what the sales pitch was?

The TP, GOP, progressives and Dems share the same hypocrisy because they are the same beast cut from the same cloth.

Now, everyone is out for blood and nothing less.

109 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:21:52pm

re: #105 jamesfirecat

Yeah my finger slipped... that's the hell of LGF not having an edit posts feature...

Very minor miscue. I only picked up on it so I could make a snide joke.

It's minor compared to lots of slip-ups I've made when typing too fast or not paying close enough attention because the TV, telephone and kitchen timer are all blaring simultaneously. Just like life, we have to live with the stupid shit we say.

110 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:23:59pm

re: #2 rwmofo

The Washington Post runs a hit piece against Republicans for doing the same thing Democrat politicians do. In other news, bears have been using the woods as their own personal bathroom.

I love you, you're the must adorable punting dog of LGF

111 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:24:16pm

re: #107 NJDhockeyfan

He's still on? I thought his show was over 2 hours ago.

Several radio shows are broadcast on a delay in some markets. I'm listening to Dennis Miller right now (Dallas area) and his show is on live in the morning. Laura Ingraham is on now here on another station.

112 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:24:30pm

G'night folks, this old man needs his ugly sleep.

113 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:25:26pm

re: #28 SpaceJesus

the comments at foxnews.com about the Texas GOP being antisemitic is pretty much thunder dome

*runs to go see*

114 Gus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:25:35pm

Mark Levin was born too late. He missed his calling as a cartoon voice for Warner Brothers.

115 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:26:16pm

re: #108 researchok

Not enough lipstick, my friend.

The WH and and the rest of DC are as polluted as ever. The 'most ethical Congress ever' doesn't even get a laugh anymore. There wasn't even the pretense of things changing in the Congress. Aren't the Dems supposed to be better people? Isn't that what the sales pitch was?

The TP, GOP, progressives and Dems share the same hypocrisy because they are the same beast cut from the same cloth.

Now, everyone is out for blood and nothing less.

Largely agree. Why the House Dems want to get nothing out of December is completely beyond me. At the end of the day, they'll have a tough time going home and saying, "I didn't get unemployment or mid class tax cuts extended, but I stood for a currently unattainable principle. Vote for me."

Senate Dems, I think, will come to their senses. Maybe not Mary Landrieu, of all people, who's suddenly some sort of half-assed philosopher. But enough Dems in the Senate are realists. Maybe not the House though.

116 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:26:34pm

re: #111 rwmofo

Several radio shows are broadcast on a delay in some markets. I'm listening to Dennis Miller right now (Dallas area) and his show is on live in the morning. Laura Ingraham is on now here on another station.

You guys in the big city areas get a lot of radio choices. We only get Beck, Rush, Hannity. and Levin. I vaguely listen to any of them.

117 Gus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:26:52pm

re: #108 researchok

Not enough lipstick, my friend.

The WH and and the rest of DC are as polluted as ever. The 'most ethical Congress ever' doesn't even get a laugh anymore. There wasn't even the pretense of things changing in the Congress. Aren't the Dems supposed to be better people? Isn't that what the sales pitch was?

The TP, GOP, progressives and Dems share the same hypocrisy because they are the same beast cut from the same cloth.

Now, everyone is out for blood and nothing less.

Too many attorneys and too many millionaires.

118 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:27:03pm

re: #111 rwmofo

Several radio shows are broadcast on a delay in some markets. I'm listening to Dennis Miller right now (Dallas area) and his show is on live in the morning. Laura Ingraham is on now here on another station.

Ahh Laura Ingraham, what an adorable pile of bigoted shit that woman is, one of the most reprehensible anti-gay humanoids on right wing radio

119 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:27:23pm

re: #108 researchok

Not enough lipstick, my friend.

The WH and and the rest of DC are as polluted as ever.

No, I'm sorry, but objectively, obama's rules on lobbyists really are the most restrictive ever. They don't go far enough. They go farther than anyone else.

The 'most ethical Congress ever' doesn't even get a laugh anymore. There wasn't even the pretense of things changing in the Congress. Aren't the Dems supposed to be better people? Isn't that what the sales pitch was?

The Democrats, in their current incarnation, certainly are espousing better values than the GOP. I'm not sure what you mean.

The TP, GOP, progressives and Dems share the same hypocrisy because they are the same beast cut from the same cloth.

Yes, the Magical Balance Fairy sure is pretty this time of year.

Good night.

120 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:28:11pm

re: #118 WindUpBird

Ahh Laura Ingraham, what an adorable pile of bigoted shit that woman is, one of the most reprehensible anti-gay humanoids on right wing radio

She and Olbermann deserve each other. Kinda like Carville-Matalin but with less brains and even more phony outrage.

121 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:29:02pm

The Titans score a TD with time running out but lose by 2 points. That was a good game.

122 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:31:57pm

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

You guys in the big city areas get a lot of radio choices. We only get Beck, Rush, Hannity. and Levin. I vaguely listen to any of them.

Yeah. I don't listen to those guys either. A little bit of Levin on the ride home. He's unique. Miller still interjects a lot of humor into his show. Coincidentally, he's been interviewing President Bush the last 1/2 hour.

123 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:32:52pm

re: #118 WindUpBird

Ahh Laura Ingraham, what an adorable pile of bigoted shit that woman is, one of the most reprehensible anti-gay humanoids on right wing radio

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is worse, IMHO.

124 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:33:56pm

re: #104 palomino

But it wasn't 3/4, it was the 3/5ths Compromise. See, the South got screwed. They had to secede and lead us into Civil War.

I don't know how they got the North to go along with that to begin with.

"Now see hear Yankee, let's just compromise and agree that every human being I treat like livestock makes me 60% more of a person than you are. Now, do we have a deal or what?"

125 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:34:52pm
Laura Ingraham (Host, The Laura Ingraham Show)
Transgender people were repeatedly used as punching bags by Fox News Channel and guest Laura Ingraham, even as violence and harassment against transgender people continued with disturbing frequency throughout 2008. While guest hosting Fox News Channel's The O'Reilly Factor on February 8, Ingraham interrupted a guest by saying that a transgender conference was "killing the culture." Earlier this year on The O'Reilly Factor, she questioned how parents of a transgender youth "aren't embarrassed" by their child, and most recently, on December 11, she alluded that being gay is a "bad choice" when discussing a Newsweek feature on marriage for same-sex couples.

I wonder when we'll stop hearing this stuff from conservative talkers, this woman is vile and beyond belief

126 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:35:15pm

re: #121 NJDhockeyfan

The Titans score a TD with time running out but lose by 2 points. That was a good game.

Titans have a really tough decision to make with Vince Young. Their owner, Bud Adams, is old and insane. An old AFL guy, Adams is sorta like Al Davis, but without the rings.

Young was supposed to be what Vick has finally turned into--a great runner and passer. But Young's passing still looks too much like it did in college, it's all long windup. Pretty much the opposite of Philip Rivers. And despite pretty good QB rating this year, Young doesn't read D's very well, isn't called on to throw much, and is only reliable in the short game. Oh, yeah, and he's a total head case.

127 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:35:41pm

re: #123 Floral Giraffe

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is worse, IMHO.

It would be almost impossible to be worse than Schlessinger.

128 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:36:20pm

The Dems are pretty pissed off at our President right now, aren't they?

Profanity, Anger Spill Over in House Democratic Caucus Meeting

The frustration with President Barack Obama over his tax cut compromise was palpable and even profane at Thursday’s House Democratic Caucus meeting.

One unidentified lawmaker went so far as to mutter “f--- the president” while Rep. Shelley Berkley was defending the package the president negotiated with Republicans. Berkley confirmed the incident, although she declined to name the specific lawmaker.

“It wasn’t loud,” the Nevada Democrat said. “It was just expressing frustration from a very frustrated Member.”

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.) was also overheard saying that “we can’t trust him” not to cave to Republicans and extend the tax cuts again in two years, according to a Democratic source.

The anger aimed at the bill was widespread. As Democrats moved to block the bill from coming up on the floor, chants of “Just say no!” could be heard by reporters outside the room.

129 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:36:34pm

re: #118 WindUpBird

Ahh Laura Ingraham, what an adorable pile of bigoted shit that woman is, one of the most reprehensible anti-gay humanoids on right wing radio

laura ingraham is like a female ann coulter

130 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:37:09pm

re: #122 rwmofo

Yeah. I don't listen to those guys either. A little bit of Levin on the ride home. He's unique. Miller still interjects a lot of humor into his show. Coincidentally, he's been interviewing President Bush the last 1/2 hour.

I like Mark Levin. I would listen to him if I had the time. He cracks me up.

131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:37:13pm

re: #123 Floral Giraffe

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is worse, IMHO.

Schlessinger is worse in terms of the stuff that comes out of her and the rate that it comes out of her, but Ingraham is more powerful politically, is more of a GOP fixture, and has way more influence over people who at least pretend like they have a functioning cerebral cortex.

132 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:37:34pm

re: #129 engineer dog

laura ingraham is like a female ann coulter

lol

133 researchok  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:37:42pm

re: #119 Obdicut

No, I'm sorry, but objectively, obama's rules on lobbyists really are the most restrictive ever. They don't go far enough. They go farther than anyone else.

The Democrats, in their current incarnation, certainly are espousing better values than the GOP. I'm not sure what you mean.

Yes, the Magical Balance Fairy sure is pretty this time of year.

Good night.

Pulling out the Magical Balance Fairy still isn't enough lipstick.

You talked about the TP, I brought up the farcical 'Ethical Congress'- and therein is a more equal comparison. We were talking about ethics and lobbyists?

As I noted, I can't blame Obama- he's stuck on a bus that has been going round and round for years.

But hey, who am I to complain? I wasn't surprised at the November election results. As long as Dem supporters want to throw virtually all of this on the backs of the GOP and take no responsibility for any of the the sewage that is DC, Independent voters will come out and make their voices heard. Again.

Which is OK by me.

The Magical Balance Fairy plays well in here but in truth, the allure is beginning to fade. On Main Street voters are not as discerning or as smart, I guess.

134 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:38:02pm

re: #126 palomino

Titans have a really tough decision to make with Vince Young. Their owner, Bud Adams, is old and insane. An old AFL guy, Adams is sorta like Al Davis, but without the rings.

Young was supposed to be what Vick has finally turned into--a great runner and passer. But Young's passing still looks too much like it did in college, it's all long windup. Pretty much the opposite of Philip Rivers. And despite pretty good QB rating this year, Young doesn't read D's very well, isn't called on to throw much, and is only reliable in the short game. Oh, yeah, and he's a total head case.

A QB who can't read a defense is not Superbowl material. A team like the Giants will just smash a quarkback who can't spot a blitz.

135 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:38:09pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

It would be almost impossible to be worse than Schlessinger.

She can't even engage in clever word play, which I can give Miller and, to a lesser extent Limbaugh, some credit for.

Case in point: her over the top ni**er rant.

136 Gus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:38:35pm

re: #129 engineer dog

laura ingraham is like a female ann coulter

Who's the male version of Markos Moulitsas?

137 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:38:54pm

re: #123 Floral Giraffe

Dr. Laura Schlessinger is worse, IMHO.

I have never heard her show. I don't trust radio doctors.

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:40:19pm

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

I like Mark Levin. I would listen to him if I had the time. He cracks me up.

Mark Levin, apart from his views, that show is BAD RADIO. he's a terrible broadcaster, he just has his schtick where he goes quiet then LOUD then quiet, then LOUD. he's basically like the local cover band version of Michael Savage. If you're gonna listen to a conservative talk show, at least Savage has broadcast skills. Mark Levin is the equivalent of bad musicians being made to sound decent in the studio through engineering wizardry, it's all producers running his stuff.

139 researchok  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:40:42pm

re: #136 Gus 802

Who's the male version of Markos Moulitsas?

Exquisite. I'm going to mail that to everyone I know.

140 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:40:45pm

re: #131 WindUpBird

Schlessinger is worse in terms of the stuff that comes out of her and the rate that it comes out of her, but Ingraham is more powerful politically, is more of a GOP fixture, and has way more influence over people who at least pretend like they have a functioning cerebral cortex.

Schlessinger is nowadays far too blatant and weird to command great power. And it's a creepy weird, too.

141 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:40:54pm

re: #136 Gus 802

Who's the male version of Markos Moulitsas?

Jared from subway

142 Gus  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:41:07pm
143 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:41:26pm

re: #126 palomino

Titans have a really tough decision to make with Vince Young. Their owner, Bud Adams, is old and insane. An old AFL guy, Adams is sorta like Al Davis, but without the rings.

Young was supposed to be what Vick has finally turned into--a great runner and passer. But Young's passing still looks too much like it did in college, it's all long windup. Pretty much the opposite of Philip Rivers. And despite pretty good QB rating this year, Young doesn't read D's very well, isn't called on to throw much, and is only reliable in the short game. Oh, yeah, and he's a total head case.

My aunt & uncle have had season tickets since they moved to Nashville. I need to call them and find out what the fan are talking about.

144 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:41:48pm

re: #128 NJDhockeyfan

The Dems are pretty pissed off at our President right now, aren't they?

Profanity, Anger Spill Over in House Democratic Caucus Meeting

The Democrat Party is a lot of fun to watch when they're out of power - or in this case with the House, out of power in a few weeks. This is when their true colors come out (when they don't have control). Stupid voters. Get the popcorn.

145 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:42:19pm

re: #128 NJDhockeyfan

It's only a 36% vs. 39% difference. But some House Dems act like it's the end of the world. No matter how intransigent and lockstep the GOP has been over the last two years, politics in a democracy is still based on compromise. That's what this bill is.

And the lower rate is only extended for two years. There's no such thing as a permanent tax cut (or tax hike) in American history. Rates are set in response to conditions--they'll go up and then down again at some point in the future. But now just isn't a good time to raise taxes.

146 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:43:03pm

re: #136 Gus 802

Who's the male version of Markos Moulitsas?


Ed Schultz?

147 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:43:33pm

re: #137 NJDhockeyfan

I have never heard her show. I don't trust radio doctors.

She's not a psychologist, and doens't have any degree in therapy, her degree is in physiology IIRC. it's all just a sham for people to call in. She's about as much of a therapist as a telephone psychic is.

The most satisfying thing was a while back when she got her ass handed to her in court by a skate shop owner who she libeled. DUMB DUMB DUMB

148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:43:54pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

Schlessinger is nowadays far too blatant and weird to command great power. And it's a creepy weird, too.

I like the turn of phrase "blatant and weird" :D

149 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:44:03pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

Ed Schultz?

THAT SHOW IS AWWWFUL :(

150 researchok  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:44:07pm

re: #136 Gus 802

By the way, you were right the other night, re reflexive responses. Pervasive.

151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:44:31pm

I actually would rather listen to Savage than Ed Schultz. *shudder*

152 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:44:35pm

re: #138 WindUpBird

Mark Levin, apart from his views, that show is BAD RADIO. he's a terrible broadcaster, he just has his schtick where he goes quiet then LOUD then quiet, then LOUD. he's basically like the local cover band version of Michael Savage. If you're gonna listen to a conservative talk show, at least Savage has broadcast skills. Mark Levin is the equivalent of bad musicians being made to sound decent in the studio through engineering wizardry, it's all producers running his stuff.

I still like him. He's very intelligent, knows the issues well, and makes me laugh. That's all I ask for in a radio host.

153 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:45:56pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

A QB who can't read a defense is not Superbowl material. A team like the Giants will just smash a quarkback who can't spot a blitz.

The Titans rely on Chris Johnson as much as any team in the league relies on a RB. Young isn't the real offensive star, and his inflated QB rating is largely the result of CJ softening up defenses, and opening up the pass.

Fisher's a good coach, but he's probably done working with Young. One of them has to go, and I think that old fool Bud Adams might pick Young over Fisher. After all, Fisher has been coach 17 years--longest tenure in NFL--and the team has made only one SB ten years ago, which it lost. Patience for him is probably run out.

154 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:46:05pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

Ed Schultz?

Possibly. He hasn't said anything as bad as the "Screw them" comment, but he's said some pretty bad things.

155 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:47:02pm

re: #152 NJDhockeyfan

I still like him. He's very intelligent, knows the issues well, and makes me laugh. That's all I ask for in a radio host.

He makes too much stuff up for me to take him seriously, sorry

if I want smart, funny, and knowledgable, by my yardstick I essentially have two choices on my dial, and by dial I mean internet. This guy, and this guy. And both are essentially funny satire shows that are only as political as they need to be to make fun of politics, the way the Onion does.

156 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:47:21pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Possibly. He hasn't said anything as bad as the "Screw them" comment, but he's said some pretty bad things.

Schultz is like a perpetual motion hyperbole machine

157 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:48:11pm

re: #143 NJDhockeyfan

My aunt & uncle have had season tickets since they moved to Nashville. I need to call them and find out what the fan are talking about.

I hope they're finished with Young. Two weeks ago, he threw his shoulder pads into the stands after a tough loss. And then tells the coach, "I'm not walking out on my teammates, I'm walking out on you." An overall bad situation getting worse.

158 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:48:24pm

re: #148 WindUpBird

I like the turn of phrase "blatant and weird" :D

Thank you. If you like it please put a ding on it.

159 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:48:39pm

re: #144 rwmofo

The Democrat Party is a lot of fun to watch when they're out of power - or in this case with the House, out of power in a few weeks. This is when their true colors come out (when they don't have control). Stupid voters. Get the popcorn.

What are the "Democrat Party'" true colors?

160 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:48:44pm

re: #151 WindUpBird

I actually would rather listen to Savage than Ed Schultz. *shudder*

Savage tells great stories about growing up in NY. He used to be on the radio around here years ago. I wish I could get his show once in a while. His show is enjoyable.

161 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:49:06pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Thank you. If you like it please put a ding on it.

haha here's 2

162 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:49:53pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Thank you. If you like it please then you shoulda put a ding on it.

Beyoncified.

163 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:50:03pm

re: #155 WindUpBird

He makes too much stuff up for me to take him seriously, sorry

if I want smart, funny, and knowledgable, by my yardstick I essentially have two choices on my dial, and by dial I mean internet. This guy, and this guy. And both are essentially funny satire shows that are only as political as they need to be to make fun of politics, the way the Onion does.

Neither one is on the radio here. We have very few choices.

164 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:50:05pm

re: #144 rwmofo

The Democrat Party is a lot of fun to watch when they're out of power - or in this case with the House, out of power in a few weeks. This is when their true colors come out (when they don't have control). Stupid voters. Get the popcorn.

Are you such a Lim-bot that you can't type the two extra letters to call the Democratic Party by their actual name?

165 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:50:09pm

re: #157 palomino

I hope they're finished with Young. Two weeks ago, he threw his shoulder pads into the stands after a tough loss. And then tells the coach, "I'm not walking out on my teammates, I'm walking out on you." An overall bad situation getting worse.

Agreed. That guy has a bad attitude.

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:50:37pm

re: #160 NJDhockeyfan

Savage tells great stories about growing up in NY. He used to be on the radio around here years ago. I wish I could get his show once in a while. His show is enjoyable.

That's exactly it. Savage is a great storyteller, good narrative, can do three hours on chinese food in SF. That's a broadcaster!

(also, I get the feeling with him that he's more theater than some of the other rw shows where they're a little too emotionally invested in their own stuff, they're smoking what they sell. Savage is I think more self-aware about the nature of the biz)

167 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:51:02pm

re: #159 prairiefire

What are the "Democrat Party'" true colors?

Not monochromatic.

168 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:51:19pm

re: #163 NJDhockeyfan

Neither one is on the radio here. We have very few choices.

Oh, Emerson is internet only now. You get him through a smart phone or an internet connection. hendrie may or may not be on your dial, but he's late night.

169 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:51:21pm

re: #162 publicityStunted

Beyoncified.

[smiles]

170 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:51:55pm

re: #167 palomino

Not monochromatic.

Exactly. I love my rainbow freak flag.

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:52:14pm

re: #164 palomino

Are you such a Lim-bot that you can't type the two extra letters to call the Democratic Party by their actual name?

He did what they told him to, dutiful foot soldier

172 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:52:39pm

re: #167 palomino

Not monochromatic.

Neither party's colors are. National parties in a nation as big and diverse as the USA are going to be coalitions simply by necessity.

173 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:53:42pm

re: #156 WindUpBird

Schultz is like a perpetual motion hyperbole machine

My favorite news story staring Ed Shultz:

MSNBC's Ed Schultz goes bonkers

MSNBC talk show screamer Ed Schultz had a meltdown in the network's 30 Rock newsroom, shouting at staff, "I'm going to torch this [bleep]ing place."

The hot-tempered anchor of "The Ed Show" lost it during a phone call in the packed studio and slammed down the phone before exploding.

As astonished MSNBC staff members fell silent, Schultz glared around the room and yelled, "[Bleep]ers!"

A witness told us, "Ed was furious the network was running election-night promos and he wasn't in them. He'd been arguing on the phone with marketing, then he slammed down the phone and exploded. It was like Mel Gibson had entered the newsroom."

Fuming Schultz was immediately dragged in for a meeting with NBC News President Steve Capus and MSNBC President Phil Griffin following his Aug. 12 meltdown.

Our source added, "Schultz was told: 'If you do that again, you are fired.' He broke down crying."

Sources say the hothead was pushed over the edge by MSNBC's catering to bullying fellow anchor Keith Olbermann and its focus on golden girl Rachel Maddow.

A second MSNBC source said, "Ed never gets any attention and love, and he finally snapped."

Heh.

174 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:55:07pm

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

Anything that seems to have resulted in Ed Schultz crying because Maddow is drinking his milkshake is music to my ears

175 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:56:06pm

re: #166 WindUpBird

That's exactly it. Savage is a great storyteller, good narrative, can do three hours on chinese food in SF. That's a broadcaster!

(also, I get the feeling with him that he's more theater than some of the other rw shows where they're a little too emotionally invested in their own stuff, they're smoking what they sell. Savage is I think more self-aware about the nature of the biz)

He doesn't tow the political line either. He blasts everyone. George Bush was hammered daily by Savage when I used to listen to him. I can just imagine what Obama is getting from him today.

176 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:56:41pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

Neither party's colors are. National parties in a nation as big and diverse as the USA are going to be coalitions simply by necessity.

I won't get into all the stats. You've probably seen them. If so, you realize the GOP has a long way to go before they're even close to the Dems in terms of ethnic/racial/religious/sexual orientation diversity.

It's the GOP's challenge going forward as far as remaining competitive over the long run. But currently they're moving backwards: DREAM Act, SB 1070, DADT, Islamophobia, etc.

177 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:57:09pm

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

My favorite news story staring Ed Shultz:

MSNBC's Ed Schultz goes bonkers

Heh.

When someone goes nuts like that it's usually time for them to take a long break from their job and seek professional help.

178 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:57:30pm

re: #168 WindUpBird

Oh, Emerson is internet only now. You get him through a smart phone or an internet connection. hendrie may or may not be on your dial, but he's late night.

My internet service barely works. I'm lucky to even spend time here and read the news.

179 palomino  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:02:15pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

When someone goes nuts like that it's usually time for them to take a long break from their job and seek professional help.

First consider the source of the article. It's in the NYPost's interest to make everything at msnbc look awful.

Second, if you think an on-air personality yelling angrily at their staff is a big deal you haven't been paying attention. When he loses it on air (a la Dr Laura, even Rick Sanchez), then he's got a problem. Otherwise it's just gossip from a rag.

180 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:05:15pm

re: #179 palomino

First consider the source of the article. It's in the NYPost's interest to make everything at msnbc look awful.

Second, if you think an on-air personality yelling angrily at their staff is a big deal you haven't been paying attention. When he loses it on air (a la Dr Laura, even Rick Sanchez), then he's got a problem. Otherwise it's just gossip from a rag.

If the Post made this up I'm sure you can find a link that tells a different story.

181 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:05:40pm

re: #159 prairiefire

What are the "Democrat Party'" true colors?

There's a long list, but I'll highlight an issue that's important to me: Fiscal Policy. One of the reasons Republicans won so many seats this past election is because the independent voter is pissed at all the spending we've seen since the Democrat Party has had control. Republicans have to rein in spending or else the pendulum could swing right back to the left. They'll likely propose decreasing the rate of year-over-year spending increases (maybe return to 2008-level spending).

Media/Democrat Party heads will be spinning like Linda Blair's in The Exorcist and they'll accuse Republicans of declaring "war on the poor, war on the children and war on the elderly" just like they did when Newt balanced the budget in 1995 (by decreasing the YoY spending increase from 10% to 7.2%).

Trying to get democrats to control spending is about as fruitless as trying to keep 18 year-olds from having sex.

That's my prediction and I'm sticking with it.

182 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:13:01pm

Mary Landrieu pulls out the race card against Obama...

Landrieu Blasts 'Obama-McConnell' Plan For Selling Out Black Voters


Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) blasted President Obama's tax cut compromise yesterday. She decried the "moral corruptness" of the idea of giving wealthy Americans a tax cut extension on the backs of poor and middle class workers.

The Democrats are beating themselves up.

183 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:13:07pm

re: #181 rwmofo

perhaps you could suppy some examples of serious spending control on the part of republicans

184 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:13:36pm

re: #181 rwmofo

That's my prediction fact-free propaganda and I'm sticking with it.

Fixed:

The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton's fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.

185 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:14:16pm

re: #180 NJDhockeyfan

If the Post made this up I'm sure you can find a link that tells a different story.

Joe Scarborough walked off at the end of his show, like, the next day, goofing on Schultz by repeating his "I'm going to torch this place" temper tantrum. That looks suspiciously like confirmation that it really happened.

186 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:15:44pm

Fiscal responisibility is not "LETS CUT EVERYTHING!"

187 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:16:02pm

re: #183 engineer dog

perhaps you could suppy some examples of serious spending control on the part of republicans

They balanced the budget in Newt's first year as Speaker. Clinton got the credit and Newt got blamed for it.

188 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:17:21pm

re: #186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fiscal responisibility is not "LETS CUT EVERYTHING!"

Those lazy good for nothing 9-11 first responders are ripping us off!
////

189 freetoken  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:18:02pm

One of the more colorful blurbs to come out of Cancun:

Indian guru asks climate talks to subsidize love

UN-led talks on climate change are looking at giving billions of dollars to poor countries. But an Indian spiritual leader is telling delegates that they instead should subsidize love.

Shri Shri 1008 Soham, who helps guide the massive Kumbh Mela pilgrimage on the Ganges River, journeyed from his Himalayan cave retreat to the Mexican beach resort of Cancun to spread his message.

Wearing a flowing yellow robe and attached turban -- his UN accreditation badge hanging around his neck -- the guru known as Babaji questioned if the conference was looking at the big picture.

"We talk about climate change. But what about the climate inside us?" he asked.

"We are all the time talking about subsidizing the fund to the developing countries. It is fantastic. I feel very fortunate.

"But what about subsidizing the essence of human love? Compassion, accepting and respecting each other to share the collective responsibilities of our planet," he said.

[...]

190 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:18:25pm

re: #185 rwmofo

Joe Scarborough walked off at the end of his show, like, the next day, goofing on Schultz by repeating his "I'm going to torch this place" temper tantrum. That looks suspiciously like confirmation that it really happened.

The NY Post paid Joe Scarborough to do that.

//

191 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:18:26pm

Vatican troops wearing power armor fighting vampire ninjas in dirigibles. Sometimes, Anime can be awesome.

192 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:19:25pm

re: #182 NJDhockeyfan

Mary Landrieu pulls out the race card against Obama...

Landrieu Blasts 'Obama-McConnell' Plan For Selling Out Black Voters

The Democrats are beating themselves up.

Indeed. Obama cut a deal his base doesn't like and now they're turning on him. Unless I miss my guess, we're about to see the Democratic base tie their party in a knot. Which will be a refreshing change from the Republican base doing that.

193 yasharki  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:20:52pm

re: #191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Vatican troops wearing power armor fighting vampire ninjas in dirigibles. Sometimes, Anime can be awesome.

Hellsing?

194 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:21:48pm

re: #193 yasharki

Hellsing?

Trinity Blood, popped up on my Netflix suggestions, checking it out now.

195 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:23:06pm

re: #187 rwmofo

They balanced the budget in Newt's first year as Speaker. Clinton got the credit and Newt got blamed for it.

that year would have been 1995. the budget was not balanced that year

it did approach balance in 2000, but that was because of a combination of clinton's tax increases and the robust economy

to show examples of serious spending control on the part of republicans, it would be good to hear about specific and significant cuts

196 freetoken  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:23:56pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

I guess I look at it differently. A very large swath of the Democratic "base" is not happy with Obama's deal. Rather than the Democratic party turning on itself, what it is sending to the President is the message to fight more.

197 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:24:35pm

re: #189 freetoken

One of the more colorful blurbs to come out of Cancun:

Indian guru asks climate talks to subsidize love

In a related story, someone got U.N. delegates to sign petitions to ban dihydrogen monoxide (aka H2O) and to cripple the US economy.

Let's go to the video tape!

198 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:25:34pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. Obama cut a deal his base doesn't like and now they're turning on him. Unless I miss my guess, we're about to see the Democratic base tie their party in a knot. Which will be a refreshing change from the Republican base doing that.

Ya see, most of the democrats who lost were much more moderate than those who remain. So the base is pretty far left and a lot of them are in safe districts. Obama isn't in a safe district. He's up for re-election and Independents aren't happy with him right now. If he doesn't compromise with Republicans, the Jimmy Carter comparisons will intensify and if he keeps getting compared to Jimmy Carter, well, you know.

199 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:28:58pm

re: #197 NJDhockeyfan

In a related story, someone got U.N. delegates to sign petitions to ban dihydrogen monoxide (aka H2O) and to cripple the US economy.

Let's go to the video tape!


[Video]

It was funnier when Penn and Teller did it. Also what's with all the glitches in the video? It looks like they did some heavy editing on the question they are asking.

200 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:30:00pm

ever since republicans started to talk about fiscal restraint back in 1980, i have never once seen any republican congress or president do anything serious about cutting spending or balancing the budget

201 yasharki  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:31:53pm

re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Trinity Blood, popped up on my Netflix suggestions, checking it out now.

Just checked it out on Hulu, looks pretty lame, Hellsing kicks ass compared to this. Why don't they make Ninja Scroll or Cowboy Bebop quality anime anymore?

202 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:32:03pm

re: #195 engineer dog

that year would have been 1995. the budget was not balanced that year

it did approach balance in 2000, but that was because of a combination of clinton's tax increases and the robust economy

to show examples of serious spending control on the part of republicans, it would be good to hear about specific and significant cuts

Republicans controlled both houses of congress from 1995 through the remainder of Clinton's presidency. The budget must come from the House of Representatives - which was controlled by Republicans then. They reduced YoY spending increases from 10% to 7.2%. The media/Democrat Party continually called this 7.2% spending INCREASE a cut.

BTW, Clinton vetoed the balanced budget twice before he was advised that his 1996 re-election chances were slipping away if he insisted on NOT balancing the budget. He did and, as you've illustrated above, Republicans got zero credit for writing the legislation.

203 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:34:18pm

re: #197 NJDhockeyfan

In a related story, someone got U.N. delegates to sign petitions to ban dihydrogen monoxide (aka H2O) and to cripple the US economy.

Let's go to the video tape!

[Video]

heh

facts about dihydrogen monoxide

one of my favorite web pages, and practically a primer on how you can twist technically true information into misleading statements

204 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:34:22pm

re: #197 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

205 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:35:59pm

re: #200 engineer dog

ever since republicans started to talk about fiscal restraint back in 1980, i have never once seen any republican congress or president do anything serious about cutting spending or balancing the budget

Neither party has. That's why we are in the financial position we are in. I don't think Americans paid attention to the government wasteful spending until recently. I hope the politicians are paying attention now.

206 freetoken  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:36:31pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

It looks like they did some heavy editing on the question they are asking.

CFACT, who did that video, is a notorious AGW-denier org that probably fits well under the "astroturf" subject that is in the keypost to this thread:
[Link: www.exxonsecrets.org...]

207 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:38:01pm

re: #202 rwmofo

Republicans controlled both houses of congress from 1995 through the remainder of Clinton's presidency. The budget must come from the House of Representatives - which was controlled by Republicans then. They reduced YoY spending increases from 10% to 7.2%. The media/Democrat Party continually called this 7.2% spending INCREASE a cut.

BTW, Clinton vetoed the balanced budget twice before he was advised that his 1996 re-election chances were slipping away if he insisted on NOT balancing the budget. He did and, as you've illustrated above, Republicans got zero credit for writing the legislation.

i've been asking what the specific spending cuts were. all you have stated is that the increase of the deficit was slowed, which could have come from the robust economy and the clinton tax increases

208 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:39:06pm

re: #182 NJDhockeyfan

Mary Landrieu pulls out the race card against Obama...

Landrieu Blasts 'Obama-McConnell' Plan For Selling Out Black Voters

The Democrats are beating themselves up.

Hey guys check it out, we finally found someone who is pathetic enough that we might have a chance of actually beating them

YAY!

209 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:40:20pm

re: #202 rwmofo

Republicans controlled both houses of congress from 1995 through the remainder of Clinton's presidency. The budget must come from the House of Representatives - which was controlled by Republicans then. They reduced YoY spending increases from 10% to 7.2%. The media/Democrat Party continually called this 7.2% spending INCREASE a cut.

BTW, Clinton vetoed the balanced budget twice before he was advised that his 1996 re-election chances were slipping away if he insisted on NOT balancing the budget. He did and, as you've illustrated above, Republicans got zero credit for writing the legislation.

no, i'm sorry, i was mistaken. you said that the increase in spending was slowed. still, this is not the same as showing what was cut

210 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:41:34pm

re: #196 freetoken

I guess I look at it differently. A very large swath of the Democratic "base" is not happy with Obama's deal. Rather than the Democratic party turning on itself, what it is sending to the President is the message to fight more.

The problem is that he can't "fight" much. The GOP is not going to give way and the disorder in the Democratic party makes Republican concessions even less likely. This last is for two reasons:

1. In the Dems are disunited, Republicans cannot be sure any deals will hold up, especially if this current deal falls through.

2. If the Democrats refuse to vote for a deal negotiated by Obama, the Republicans can blame the Dems for intransigence and Obama for being ineffectual. This would be good politically for the GOP.

211 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:44:50pm

re: #205 NJDhockeyfan

Neither party has. That's why we are in the financial position we are in. I don't think Americans paid attention to the government wasteful spending until recently. I hope the politicians are paying attention now.

Go here. They way I read these numbers, we had a surplus from 1998-2001. You can click on the links and open or save the spreadsheets.

212 Lidane  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:45:44pm

re: #205 NJDhockeyfan

I don't think Americans paid attention to the government wasteful spending until recently.

So they paid attention to that wasteful spending by largely sending the same people back to Congress?

I hope the politicians are paying attention now.

Heh. Optimism is cute. You do realize that the same people "bringing attention" to wasteful government spending in order to win elections are the same ones who benefit the most from all that spending? They have no incentive to change it at all. They just rile up the rubes every few years blathering on about waste so they can keep their jobs.

213 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:48:24pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that he can't "fight" much. The GOP is not going to give way and the disorder in the Democratic party makes Republican concessions even less likely. This last is for two reasons:

1. In the Dems are disunited, Republicans cannot be sure any deals will hold up, especially if this current deal falls through.

2. If the Democrats refuse to vote for a deal negotiated by Obama, the Republicans can blame the Dems for intransigence and Obama for being ineffectual. This would be good politically for the GOP.

I will rip my hair out if democrats end up getting blamed for middle class tax cuts falling through but your number 2 seems like a disturbingly likely meme to take hold at the moment Dark if the deal doesn't happen...

214 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:49:30pm

re: #209 engineer dog

no, i'm sorry, i was mistaken. you said that the increase in spending was slowed. still, this is not the same as showing what was cut

Semantics. They took year X (say 1995) and instead of increasing the 1995 budget by 10% across the board--which was YoY policy then--they decreased the rate of spending from 10% to 7.2%. Nothing was cut.

215 rwmofo  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:55:15pm

OK. Looks like I've made it to the top of the "Bottom Comments." Objective met. Heh. Adios.

216 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:57:51pm

re: #215 rwmofo

OK. Looks like I've made it to the top of the "Bottom Comments." Objective met. Heh. Adios.

No you haven't.

Tradewind is still topping them for mocking scientists.

///TROLL HARDER YOU SON OF A BITCH TROLL HARDER!

(Don't think you're really trolling just wanted to post something funny)

217 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 9:59:12pm

re: #215 rwmofo

OK. Looks like I've made it to the top of the "Bottom Comments." Objective met. Heh. Adios.

Congratulations!

218 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:02:23pm

re: #213 jamesfirecat

I will rip my hair out if democrats end up getting blamed for middle class tax cuts falling through but your number 2 seems like a disturbingly likely meme to take hold at the moment Dark if the deal doesn't happen...

It's the logical outcome:

Boehner and McConnell: "We negotiated a deal and had our people ready to vote for it, which they did do. But the far-left of the Democratic party rejected a reasonable solution in favor of tax hikes and income redistribution. How can we negotiate again when the so-called 'netroots' can pull down any deal not liberal enough to suit them?"

219 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:02:35pm

re: #216 jamesfirecat

No you haven't.

Tradewind is still topping them for mocking scientists.

///TROLL HARDER YOU SON OF A BITCH TROLL HARDER!

(Don't think you're really trolling just wanted to post something funny)

They see me trolling. They hating.

220 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:04:59pm

re: #219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They see me trolling. They hating.

You're doing it right, then.

221 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:05:55pm

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

It's the logical outcome:

Boehner and McConnell: "We negotiated a deal and had our people ready to vote for it, which they did do. But the far-left of the Democratic party rejected a reasonable solution in favor of tax hikes and income redistribution. How can we negotiate again when the so-called 'netroots' can pull down any deal not liberal enough to suit them?"

It was one thing to just throw up our hands after a failed vote ven to let the taxes lower for everyone making less than a million and say "we tried the GOP is being unreasonable" but thanks to Obam'a's compramise (which was a good compromise now that I bother to look how the spending breaks down) we've made it all to easy for the issue to be frame flipped.

Reid needs to sack up and realize what the smart play for both the dems and the country is.

By the say Dark bad news for your company what with the Republicans voting down drop spending and all. I hear that DADT might be able to pass as thingy on its own though...

Which of course is laugh out loud silly if it doesn't work because it will mean Republicans are more ready to vote for DADT repeal than they funding the troops.....

222 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:06:55pm

Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu call for release of Palestinian

Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu are urging the Israeli military to release a Palestinian activist who is still imprisoned even though he has already served his prison sentence.

Abdallah Abu Rahmah, 39, was convicted of incitement for organizing weekly demonstrations in the West Bank village of Bil'in against what Israel calls its security barrier and Palestinians call an apartheid separation wall.

Abu Rahmah was scheduled to be released on November 25, but an Israeli military court extended his sentence.

Carter and Tutu, who are part of a group of world leaders called the Elders, released a statement this week condemning Abu Rahmah's continued imprisonment.

Hey Jimmy, why don't you demand the Palis release Gilad Shalit in exchange for Abdallah Abu Rahmah?

223 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:08:26pm

For the gaming nerds....
Portal Done Pro - Speedrun - 9:25.567

224 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:11:07pm

re: #221 jamesfirecat

It was one thing to just throw up our hands after a failed vote ven to let the taxes lower for everyone making less than a million and say "we tried the GOP is being unreasonable" but thanks to Obam'a's compramise (which was a good compromise now that I bother to look how the spending breaks down) we've made it all to easy for the issue to be frame flipped.

Reid needs to sack up and realize what the smart play for both the dems and the country is.

By the say Dark bad news for your company what with the Republicans voting down drop spending and all. I hear that DADT might be able to pass as thingy on its own though...

Which of course is laugh out loud silly if it doesn't work because it will mean Republicans are more ready to vote for DADT repeal than they funding the troops...

It's not dead. If they tax deal passes, then Defense authorization can pass right behind it. But you're right: Reid needs to buckle down and get his people in line. This is a good deal, and I want it to pass. If it falls apart it's a loss for everyone.

225 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:13:59pm

Left-wing kook Rosie O'Donnell on Elizabeth Edward's death and her scumbag husband John...

He's in his time of grief, and believe me, I think the person who probably has suffered the most through all of this is him, and there are people who would disagree with me and say, 'No, it was her, she was the one who was publicly humiliated,' and blah blah blah blah blah.

I just think he has to live with himself every day. Not only survivor's guilt, but you know? He, I'm sure, has guilt, right? Look, you know, she was in remission, this happened, she got sick again. I don't know, I'm sure that it's very hard for him to live with himself and to have to deal with the public condemnation...

226 Lidane  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:15:09pm

I've had this song in my head all damned day. Figured I'd share:

227 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:15:54pm

re: #226 Lidane

I've had this song in my head all damned day. Figured I'd share:

[Video]

That is just uncalled for.

228 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:16:13pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

It's not dead. If they tax deal passes, then Defense authorization can pass right behind it. But you're right: Reid needs to buckle down and get his people in line. This is a good deal, and I want it to pass. If it falls apart it's a loss for everyone.

I heard on Maddow's show (take that as you will) that the Democrats have some kind of backup plan to do DADT as a thing all on its own and they claim to have been able to get 60 votes for it.

In theory that shouldn't be hard if every Republican who said they were fore WOULD VOTE FOR IT (not to mention we had one democrat who wanted to vote for it, but the vote came so suddenly she was at the dentists office at the time, cue facepalm) so that takes us from 57 to 58 at least....

So moral of the story wait and see as always.

I just hope if nothing else Ried an convince people to work one more week than they normally would have.

We may be getting our last major glimpse of Bipartisan ship for a long time....

229 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:17:12pm

To balance out that musical travesty, I present Ode to Joy

230 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:17:57pm

re: #225 NJDhockeyfan

Left-wing kook Rosie O'Donnell on Elizabeth Edward's death and her scumbag husband John...

Any time you are arguing that somebody who died of cancer wasn't the one who suffered the most in a relationship you are WRONG.

////Unless the other person had AIDS. Make the Super-aids. Make that Super-Lion AIDS. (The phrase "Lion AIDS was a forced meme for a short while in my college improv club...)

231 Lidane  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:18:05pm

re: #227 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That is just uncalled for.

Heh. You know you secretly liked it. ;)

232 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:18:27pm

re: #229 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

To balance out that musical travesty, I present Ode to Joy


[Video]

Did I just clear a level in peggle?

233 Lidane  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:18:51pm

re: #232 jamesfirecat

Did I just clear a level in peggle?

Ha! GMTA.

234 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:19:53pm

re: #233 Lidane

Ha! GMTA.

Of course it sort of looses its zing when you go back and play through again to try an ACE or 100% and so you can hear it playing when in fact you didn't achieve your objective...

235 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:21:28pm

LOL, My wife is now addicted to MI-5 but calls me in after every show to explain what happened.

236 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:25:42pm

I'm going to go to bed. Goodnight, all.

237 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:27:27pm

well, this is way late to the conversation, but just in case anybody is interested, here is a table showing the federal budgets for 1990 - 2007, with percentage increases over the preceeding year in the third column, and the deficit that year in the 4th:

in any given year, the congress passes the budget for the next year
1990 1,253.0 -221.0
1991 1,324.2 5.66% -269.2
1992 1,381.5 4.30% -290.3
1993 1,409.4 2.02% -255.1 - clinton tax increases passed
1994 1,461.8 3.69% -203.2
1995 1,515.8 3.69% -164.0 - first year gop in control of house
1996 1,560.5 2.97% -107.4 - first gop congress budget
1997 1,601.1 2.62% -21.9
1998 1,652.5 3.18% 69.3
1999 1,701.8 2.96% 125.6
2000 1,789.0 4.99% 236.2
2001 1,862.9 4.08% 128.2
2002 2,010.9 7.94% -157.8 - first bush budget
2003 2,159.9 7.41% -377.6
2004 2,292.9 6.16% -412.7
2005 2,472.0 7.85% -318.3
2006 2,655.1 7.49% -248.2
2007 2,728.7 2.74% -160.7

[Link: www.presidency.ucsb.edu...]

238 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:32:18pm

Fenomeno freestyler alla "batteria"

239 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:38:37pm

I just posted on LGF Pages a link to a wonderful website called Toys Made in America. It's full of American made toy companies. Check it out!

240 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:47:27pm

re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL, My wife is now addicted to MI-5 but calls me in after every show to explain what happened.

Careful what you wish for.

241 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:54:41pm

Going to bed. Later lizards!

242 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:58:02pm

Lego Antikythera Mechanism

243 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 11:25:39pm
244 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 11:34:02pm

re: #243 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WikiLeaks hackers threaten British Government

The idiots keep digging. It's becoming more obvious that Assange and Anonymous need to be dealt with harshly before this get out of hand.

245 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 11:37:44pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

The idiots keep digging. It's becoming more obvious that Assange and Anonymous need to be dealt with harshly before this get out of hand.

I don't expect Anonymous to remain so for very much longer once various world governments decide they are more than an annoyance.

246 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 11:38:12pm

I felt kinda bad about harshing on Barret Brown's page about Wikileaks but he seems like he's taking it in stride. This is Darwin award kind of shit. Like advocating for pedestrian rights by walking into traffic. I guess we gotta cull the herd somehow.

247 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 11:39:33pm

re: #245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I don't expect Anonymous to remain so for very much longer once various world governments decide they are more than an annoyance.

Why won't governments stand up for the anarchists?
/Derp

248 Kragar  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 11:39:57pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

I felt kinda bad about harshing on Barret Brown's page about Wikileaks but he seems like he's taking it in stride. This is Darwin award kind of shit. Like advocating for pedestrian rights by walking into traffic. I guess we gotta cull the herd somehow.

They've been fed a stream of "plucky band of freedom fighter sticking it to the man" for so long, they actually believe it. They're going to go down hard.

249 freetoken  Thu, Dec 9, 2010 11:43:28pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Anarchists tend to all go the same way.

BTW, seeing how the "glibertarians" (as they are called) in the GOP are leading the charge for the dismantling of our society, and seeing how this Wikileaks/Anonymous thing is going, and watching how multinational meetings are manipulated by those wanting theatre... it all adds up to me calling this age "The Age of Anarchy". I'm afraid it's going to get worse.

250 freetoken  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 12:03:08am

Uh oh...

Senate to Consider Tax-Cut Bill That Would Add $857 Billion to U.S. Debt

Senate leaders released an agreement crafted by the White House and Republicans to sustain Bush-era tax rates through 2012, set the estate tax at the lowest rate in 80 years, extend jobless aid and cut payroll taxes by 2 percentage points.

The legislation would add $857 billion to the federal debt over 10 years, government analysts said.

[...]

Not what the Tea Partiers want to hear.

And, given the generous tax breaks for the wealthy in that compromise, there might be enough Democrats in the House who will work with Tea Partying Republicans to scuttle the thing.

Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

251 freetoken  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 1:07:06am

Baby parrots:

Getting first feathers:

A week later:

Learning to play a few days later:

A month later, enjoying some mikan:

I bet they're noisy.

252 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 2:18:26am

Fuck cancer.

My friend Pam died.

253 freetoken  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 2:28:57am

re: #252 Obdicut

Condolences to you.

254 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 2:33:06am

re: #253 freetoken

She had a hell of a good life and will be remembered as a wonderful person.

[Link: www.studio-707.com...]

Her best quality? Unmalevolent criticism. If you came to her with an idea, or a project, she would happily and energetically engage with it, pointing out where you were contradicting yourself, where you hadn't gone far enough, where you'd gone too far. She challenged you to stand up for your ideas, and to give them as much attention as they deserved.

I'll miss her.

255 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:16:55am

reality has a liberal bias:

[Link: www.salon.com...]

256 freetoken  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:31:56am
257 researchok  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:35:04am

Morning, all

258 researchok  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:38:43am

re: #252 Obdicut

Fuck cancer.

My friend Pam died.

Sorry for your loss.

May her memory provide you with inner peace.

259 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:58:19am

re: #252 Obdicut

Fuck cancer.

My friend Pam died.

I'm so sorry. I've seen you speak so fondly of her here.

260 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:12:34am

Haiti officials will recount disputed vote
Decision made after protests roiled capital

[Link: www.boston.com...]

gaahhh ,, that poor country (literally and figuratively) has been a basket case for as long as I recall (the 50's). I remember being in grade school and the nuns collecting money for Haitian children.

Can't understand it. With it's natural resources (miles of incredible coastlines) it could be another jewel of the Caribbean

261 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:14:33am

re: #260 sattv4u2

Haiti officials will recount disputed vote
Decision made after protests roiled capital

[Link: www.boston.com...]

gaahhh ,, that poor country (literally and figuratively) has been a basket case for as long as I recall (the 50's). I remember being in grade school and the nuns collecting money for Haitian children.

Can't understand it. With it's natural resources (miles of incredible coastlines) it could be another jewel of the Caribbean

Because the politics of the region called for weak, easily influenced states. There was no interest in developing stable democracies.

262 mojo9  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:16:19am

"Many incoming GOP lawmakers have hired registered lobbyists as senior aides. Several of the candidates won with strong support from the anti-establishment tea party movement."
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Just further fuels my apathy.

263 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:16:27am

re: #261 ralphieboy

Because the politics of the region called for weak, easily influenced states. There was no interest in developing stable democracies.

Kind of like Gary Indiana?

264 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:17:45am

re: #263 RogueOne

Kind of like Gary Indiana?


I come from Gary. In that case, there was no interest in developing a stable economic infrastructure. It was all steel, and when steel tanked, the town died.

265 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:17:52am

re: #261 ralphieboy

Because the politics of the region called for weak, easily influenced states. There was no interest in developing stable democracies.

I undertand that. My point being after all those decades (going back to the 50's in my own experience) you would think SOME group there would say "Hey , this does NOT work ,, lets try something else!!"

266 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:19:42am

re: #265 sattv4u2


old habits die hard. and once the rot sets in, it is all but impossible to eradicate

267 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:20:04am

re: #264 ralphieboy

I come from Gary. In that case, there was no interest in developing a stable economic infrastructure. It was all steel, and when steel tanked, the town died.

exactly. I can name a hundred northern/ mid western cities that went all in on one (unsustainable) industry.

In Massachusetts, cities like Lowell and Lawrence have hundreds of empty factories that were mills that have sat empty for years

268 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:20:28am

re: #264 ralphieboy

I remembered your connection to gary. Why would I take a swipe at your hometown otherwise?

269 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:25:25am

re: #268 RogueOne

I remembered your connection to gary. Why would I take a swipe at your hometown otherwise?


It is cruel to pick on the helpless...

Gary also had its own tradition of organized crime: the Chicago mob would not touch it because it was across state lines and they did not want to risk bringing down the feds on them.

In the 70's it was a major drug trafficking center

271 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:32:14am

re: #269 ralphieboy

It is cruel to pick on the helpless...

Gary also had its own tradition of organized crime: the Chicago mob would not touch it because it was across state lines and they did not want to risk bringing down the feds on them.

In the 70's it was a major drug trafficking center

Gary!
Gateway to Portage!

272 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:35:20am

re: #269 ralphieboy

....
In the 70's it was a major drug trafficking center

Some things haven't changed. Gary is also an interesting study on how not to levy taxes. They've managed to make a bad situation (the collapse of the steel industry) worse by insisting on taxing industries at incredible rates in order to keep personal rates as close to nil as possible.

273 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:38:10am

re: #272 RogueOne

Some things haven't changed. Gary is also an interesting study on how not to levy taxes. They've managed to make a bad situation (the collapse of the steel industry) worse by insisting on taxing industries at incredible rates in order to keep personal rates as close to nil as possible.

You're not suggesting that (GASP) lower corporate/ business rates could actually draw companies to a city/state/country and bringing their jobs along with them, are you!?!?
/

274 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:39:45am

Moore Spotted At Weight Loss Spa
[Link: www.politico.com...]


It seems that Michael Moore is trying to drop some weight: The filmmaker has reportedly checked into a Miami weight-loss spa.

"Moore visited the Pritikin Longevity Center and Spa in mid-November," reports the Daily Caller. "The resort’s campus features '650 acres of lush tropical gardens, fountains, water features and other amenities,' its website boasts."

It's not the first time that Moore has visited Pritkin: In previous visits, he's lost up to 30 pounds.

Good for him regarding wanting to lose weight but this is another sign our society continues sliding towards the edge. Seriously, a fat rehab center? Are we really that pathetic?

275 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:40:24am

re: #273 sattv4u2

You're not suggesting that (GASP) lower corporate/ business rates could actually draw companies to a city/state/country and bringing their jobs along with them, are you!?!?
/

Shocking I know. Having a low tax rate isn't much help when you can't get a damn job.

276 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:41:19am

re: #271 sattv4u2

The town of East Gary decided to change its name back to Lake Station, Indiana, just so it would not be associated with the place.

You know why the population continues to decline?

Every time a baby is born, two men leave town!

277 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:41:40am

Beaches man charged in fatal hit-and-run of Jacksonville Navy pilot

LT Rob Huish was one of my pilots when I had command of HSL-44. I'm glad they found the scumbag who hit him.

278 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:45:42am

re: #274 RogueOne

Moore Spotted At Weight Loss Spa
[Link: www.politico.com...]


Good for him regarding wanting to lose weight but this is another sign our society continues sliding towards the edge. Seriously, a fat rehab center? Are we really that pathetic?


Another step in the abrogation of personal responsibilty, imho.
Instead of having the discipline to EAT LESS and EAT BETTER, you need to check into a spa!

279 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:46:55am

re: #278 sattv4u2

Another step in the abrogation of personal responsibilty, imho.
Instead of having the discipline to EAT LESS and EAT BETTER, you need to check into a spa!

Butter, "it's a hell of a drug".

280 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:47:24am

Off to work, get back at it people. Your government needs the money!

281 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:48:08am

re: #278 sattv4u2

Why, I hear some idiots even join a gym to try to lose weight! What lack of personal responsibility.

I've heard that people trying to stop smoking often take drugs to do so, join support groups, and seek out doctor's counsel. Pathetic!

And dear god, some people with crippling psychological issues actually go and see therapists, read books, and otherwise rely on other people to help change!

//

282 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:48:14am

A silly but catchy song, "Hail the lawful marriage" from the movie-musical "Island of the lost ships".

283 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:52:11am

re: #281 Obdicut

Why, I hear some idiots even join a gym to try to lose weight! What lack of personal responsibility.

I've heard that people trying to stop smoking often take drugs to do so, join support groups, and seek out doctor's counsel. Pathetic!

And dear god, some people with crippling psychological issues actually go and see therapists, read books, and otherwise rely on other people to help change!

//


Good that you // that

GYM ,,,
YOU have to bring yourself there day to day
YOU have to do the work.
YOU have to push yourself to do a little more each time

SMOKING
Again,, YOU have to do the work (you're not checking into a facility where "THEY" make sure you're not lighting up

PSYCHOLOGICAL ISSUES
A whole other can of worms. Thats something out of an individuals control

284 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:54:08am

re: #281 Obdicut

Jim Gaffigan's comment to a personal trainer who asked about his workout goals:

"I just come to the gym so I won't eat anything for an hour"

285 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:55:18am

re: #283 sattv4u2

What do you think they do at spas, exactly, that doesn't require personal responsibility?

286 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:55:57am

re: #284 ralphieboy

Jim Gaffigan's comment to a personal trainer who asked about his workout goals:

"I just come to the gym so I won't eat anything for an hour"

One of my top 5 fav comics

287 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:56:42am

re: #284 ralphieboy

Gaffigan is awesome. He was great on Dr. Katz.

288 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:57:05am

re: #285 Obdicut

What do you think they do at spas, exactly, that doesn't require personal responsibility?

The spa manages every aspect of your day
Tells you when to get up ,,,
Tells you when/ what to eat
Tells you what to/ when to excersize
etc etc

289 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:57:45am

Wow. So cool.

Image: tic_tac_toe.png

290 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:57:52am

re: #285 Obdicut

re: #288 sattv4u2

The spa manages every aspect of your day
Tells you when to get up ,,,
Tells you when/ what to eat
Tells you what to/ when to excersize
etc etc


Or do you think you set your own schedule/ diet when you're there?

291 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 4:58:48am

re: #288 sattv4u2

And? I'm really not getting your point. Back when I was a boxer, I got up when my trainer told me to, ate a diet they designed, and went through an exercise routine he designed. That's, you know, what people who are experts are for.

292 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:01:41am

re: #291 Obdicut

And? I'm really not getting your point. Back when I was a boxer, I got up when my trainer told me to, ate a diet they designed, and went through an exercise routine he designed. That's, you know, what people who are experts are for.

My "point" was in response to Rogues #274 (a fat rehab center? Are we really that pathetic?)

Whats there to not get?

293 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:03:31am

re: #292 sattv4u2

I don't get why a fat rehab center-- a place you go to to attempt to lose weight-- is pathetic.

Can you explain?

294 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:03:44am

re: #291 Obdicut

And? I'm really not getting your point. Back when I was a boxer, I got up when my trainer told me to, ate a diet they designed, and went through an exercise routine he designed. That's, you know, what people who are experts are for.

Lets use your example
After the trainer laid out a regimen, could/would you do it on your own?
You know ,, like personal responsibility wise?
So you want to use an "expert" for dietary issues? Fine, have someone create a diet plan for you then follow it!

295 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:04:01am

re: #293 Obdicut

I don't get why a fat rehab center-- a place you go to to attempt to lose weight-- is pathetic.

Can you explain?

294

296 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:04:34am

re: #294 sattv4u2

After the trainer laid out a regimen, could/would you do it on your own?

Nope. Having a trainer to motivate you and kick your ass is key.


You know ,, like personal responsibility wise?

How is that 'personal responsibility'? I'm still doing the goddamn exercise.

297 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:04:38am

re: #293 Obdicut

I don't get why a fat rehab center-- a place you go to to attempt to lose weight-- is pathetic.

Can you explain?

and btw ,, ask Rogue why it's "pathetic"

His words ,, not mine!

298 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:07:09am

re: #296 Obdicut

How is that 'personal responsibility'? I'm still doing the goddamn exercise.

Me thinks you've answered your own query!

299 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:09:00am

re: #298 sattv4u2

How is that 'personal responsibility'? I'm still doing the goddamn exercise.

Me thinks you've answered your own query!

Yes, I have. In other words, as long as I'm doing the exercise, it's personal responsibility, whether i'm doing it with a trainer shouting "Be a contendor" at me or in the privacy of my apartment, alone, with cats staring.

300 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:10:18am

Authorities burn down California house filled with ammunition, explosives
[Link: www.boston.com...]

The house was rented by an out-of-work software consultant who authorities said assembled an astonishing quantity of bomb-making materials that included the kind of chemicals used by suicide bombers

My Google skills suck. Is this guy in jail? Any word on who/what/why this house was packed with explosives??

301 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:10:46am

BTW, Obdicut, yesterday I mentioned Codex Seraphinianus. Turns out that it inspired someone to create this (there are lots of YT excerpts):

302 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:11:36am

re: #300 sattv4u2

Authorities burn down California house filled with ammunition, explosives
[Link: www.boston.com...]

The house was rented by an out-of-work software consultant who authorities said assembled an astonishing quantity of bomb-making materials that included the kind of chemicals used by suicide bombers

My Google skills suck. Is this guy in jail? Any word on who/what/why this house was packed with explosives??

Except for the last paragraph, the whiole story just deasl with the fire itself. The smoke,, the possible toxicity, etc etc

303 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:18:48am

brb,,, gotta reboot to update

304 mojo9  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:24:14am

re: #277 rwdflynavy

Hit and runs are just scum I have no sympathy for.
My daughter just completed C school with VP-30. Left for MCBH VP-9 9/27, the day before this young man was hit. Very sad.

305 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:28:13am

re: #304 mojo9

Hit and runs are just scum I have no sympathy for.
My daughter just completed C school with VP-30. Left for MCBH VP-9 9/27, the day before this young man was hit. Very sad.

Agree
Theres a search here in Georgia for the driver that killed a teen the other day
[Link: www.ajc.com...]

306 freetoken  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:40:47am

re: #300 sattv4u2


My Google skills suck. Is this guy in jail? Any word on who/what/why this house was packed with explosives??


Yes. I and some of the other SD area lizards discussed this event when it broke. It's a middle age unemployed Serb (I believe) who had a huge cache of high explosives. He's in jail.

307 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:43:07am

re: #288 sattv4u2

The spa manages every aspect of your day
Tells you when to get up ,,,
Tells you when/ what to eat
Tells you what to/ when to excersize
etc etc

The Spa - where you are coddled and gently cajoled into doing that which you don't have the guts to do yourself.

308 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:43:37am

Awesome article on the debt and why large numbers are hard to deal with:

[Link: thevirtuosi.blogspot.com...]

And the conclusion:

So, without getting too political... I'd just like to point out that if our politicians are serious about solving the budget crisis, they need to stop talking about million dollar programs, and start taking about 100 billion dollar ones. The problem is that it's hard to either slash funding for large programs like defense, or social security, and it's even harder raise taxes (really at all). But if we never consider those options, we're never going to get out of the rut.

309 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:43:51am

re: #307 reine.de.tout

The Spa - where you are coddled and gently cajoled into doing that which you don't have the guts to do yourself.

you've got mail (response)

Too late on my part!!

Thanks anyway!! LOL

310 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:44:54am

re: #306 freetoken

Yes. I and some of the other SD area lizards discussed this event when it broke. It's a middle age unemployed Serb (I believe) who had a huge cache of high explosives. He's in jail.

Any reasons/ motives behind the cache?

311 mojo9  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:45:24am

re: #305 sattv4u2

Here in piedmont NC there recently was a driver arrested for a fatal hit and run of a cyclist. Turns out she just got her license back from a two year suspension for..... A FATAL HIT AND RUN!!! WTF?

312 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:45:26am

re: #306 freetoken

re: #310 sattv4u2

Any reasons/ motives behind the cache?

And thanks, btw

313 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:46:41am

re: #311 mojo9

Here in piedmont NC there recently was a driver arrested for a fatal hit and run of a cyclist. Turns out she just got her license back from a two year suspension for... A FATAL HIT AND RUN!!! WTF?

{sigh}

Saw or read recently about a guy arrested for DUI.

FOR THE 7TH OR 8TH TIME!!

(and when he was most recently arrested, he had a VALID license!)

314 mojo9  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:48:08am

re: #313 sattv4u2

What's the saying? Madness on stilts?

315 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 5:55:37am

re: #311 mojo9

Here in piedmont NC there recently was a driver arrested for a fatal hit and run of a cyclist. Turns out she just got her license back from a two year suspension for... A FATAL HIT AND RUN!!! WTF?

BTW ,,,didn't know you're there

I lived in Greensboro for about 14 months years ago

316 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:00:25am

Those of you following the NYTimes "Disunion" blog about the civil war, be sure to check out today's posting on a statistical map of the south showing where slavery was the strongest based upon data collected in the 1860 census. One data point from the map - 57% of the population of South Carolina was enslaved in 1860. Remember that the next time some Neo-Confederate squeals that it wasn't about slavery.

I put a page up about it.

317 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:01:40am

re: #315 sattv4u2

BTW ,,,didn't know you're there

I lived in Greensboro for about 14 months years ago

Still wanted there?

318 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:02:20am

re: #316 wlewisiii

I like asking people who assert that "Southerners" fought back against a Northern invasion, "Does that include the black Southerners?"

319 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:05:28am

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Still wanted there?

Theres a 13 year old photo of me on the post office wall

Shhhhhhh!!

320 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:09:13am

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Still wanted there?

Ron Whites bit

"I'm a big guy, between six feet two and six feet four, depending on which convenience store I'm walking out of"

321 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:10:51am

re: #316 wlewisiii

Those of you following the NYTimes "Disunion" blog about the civil war, be sure to check out today's posting on a statistical map of the south showing where slavery was the strongest based upon data collected in the 1860 census. One data point from the map - 57% of the population of South Carolina was enslaved in 1860. Remember that the next time some Neo-Confederate squeals that it wasn't about slavery.

I put a page up about it.

Also . . .
Declarations of Secession all mention slavery.

322 mojo9  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:15:22am

re: #318 Obdicut

Only southern denialists claim the war wasn't over slavery. The rest of us know better!

323 mojo9  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:17:25am

and every time i see one of those confederate battle flag bumber stickers with "it's heritage, not hate" i want to get one that says "get over it".

324 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:17:57am

re: #322 mojo9

Only southern denialists claim the war wasn't over slavery. The rest of us know better!

It was NOT about slavery

It was about "States Rights"

((it just so happens that the most important "states right" was for it's citizens to own slaves!!))

wait ,, WHA !?!?!?

//

325 mojo9  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:20:05am

re: #324 sattv4u2

touche'!

326 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:24:29am

Up early this morning... Kaiser contacted me yesterday with a little programming task for the patient survey system I maintain for them.

Great timing. I have one event left on my list for my Paris trip that I needed to pay for before I left, and Kroger was nice enough to cut all our hours right after Thanksgiving, up to the week before Christmas.

That was their Christmas present to themselves. Food sales are slower between those holidays, and hell, why pay dedicated employees to stand around and take care of only 400 customers a week, instead of the average busy time 600 customers a week. Cut those hours, that'll teach them.

From what I've learned, this "tweaking" of hours, almost on a weekly basis, is nothing new for retail, it's common in the trade, but as someone who has never had the pleasure working retail before, I'm constantly getting an education in the business.

Anyway... the little Kaiser project will take up the slack. It feels good when you're able to take care of things, on your own, using your own skills and wit. It's little things like this that makes the holiday season so much more feel good.

327 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:37:55am

re: #313 sattv4u2

{sigh}

Saw or read recently about a guy arrested for DUI.

FOR THE 7TH OR 8TH TIME!!

(and when he was most recently arrested, he had a VALID license!)

DUI is a big problem in the US in large part because there is no urban planning and no public transport.

There has also never been a demonization campaign against drink-driving there way there has been in some European countries.

It is interesting to note that France also has a drink-driving problem, for pretty much the same reasons (low population density outside the city and culture that more or less turns a blind eye to the problem).

328 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:39:27am

re: #327 iossarian

DUI is a big problem in the US in large part because there is no urban planning and no public transport.
There has also never been a demonization campaign against drink-driving there way there has been in some European countries.

It is interesting to note that France also has a drink-driving problem, for pretty much the same reasons (low population density outside the city and culture that more or less turns a blind eye to the problem).


That is a pretty broad brush.

329 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:43:49am

re: #328 rwdflynavy

That is a pretty broad brush.

OK, hyperbole got the better of me, I admit.

There is less urban planning and less public transport than in other developed countries.

330 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:45:27am

re: #329 iossarian

OK, hyperbole got the better of me, I admit.

There is less urban planning and less public transport than in other developed countries.

My point remains: a lot of people (including well-respected pillars of my local community) drink and drive because there is simply no other way of meeting up for a social drink, because a) the community is zoned such that there are no bars within walking distance and b) there is no public transport between the residential zone and the drinking/partying zone at the appropriate time.

331 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:45:46am

re: #327 iossarian

no public transport

Lots of "public transport" in and around the Queens bourough of NYC

Doesn't seem to eliminate the problem
[Link: gothamist.com...]

332 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:46:23am

re: #329 iossarian

OK, hyperbole got the better of me, I admit.

There is less urban planning and less public transport than in other developed countries.

This I buy. I think drunk driving has everything to do with personal responsibility. If my wife and I go to dinner or out with friends, one drinks, one drives. Why is this so hard?

333 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:47:05am

re: #331 sattv4u2

no public transport

Lots of "public transport" in and around the Queens bourough of NYC

Doesn't seem to eliminate the problem
[Link: gothamist.com...]

Did you even read the article?

Both neighborhoods are seriously under served by mass transit and yellow cabs, making DWIs all the more likely.

334 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:47:49am

re: #327 iossarian

DUI is a big problem in the US in large part because there is no urban planning and no public transport.

There is a DUI problem because people get drunk.

There has also never been a demonization campaign against drink-driving there way there has been in some European countries.

Arresting or punishing drunks is not "demonizing." It's a reasonable reaction to people who are capable of killing other humans and themselves because they drink to excess.

It is interesting to note that France also has a drink-driving problem, for pretty much the same reasons (low population density outside the city and culture that more or less turns a blind eye to the problem).

And they also have extreme punishments for drunken driving. They can fine you right on the spot and if you are drunk enough, your car will be confiscated from you, at the point you were stopped.

335 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:48:01am

re: #331 sattv4u2

no public transport

Lots of "public transport" in and around the Queens bourough of NYC

Doesn't seem to eliminate the problem
[Link: gothamist.com...]

Every major (and most minor) cities have a bus system. Folks prefer their cars.

336 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:48:49am

re: #332 rwdflynavy

This I buy. I think drunk driving has everything to do with personal responsibility. If my wife and I go to dinner or out with friends, one drinks, one drives. Why is this so hard?

Well, I agree. And if I go out to watch Monday Night Football, I ride my bike. But to be honest, that gets old when it's zero degrees and snowing hard (plus you're at risk of being sideswiped by all the drunk drivers!). I can understand why people take the risk.

337 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:50:22am

re: #336 iossarian

Well, I agree. And if I go out to watch Monday Night Football, I ride my bike. But to be honest, that gets old when it's zero degrees and snowing hard (plus you're at risk of being sideswiped by all the drunk drivers!). I can understand why people take the risk.

Move to Key West, problem solved!//

338 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:50:58am

re: #334 Walter L. Newton

By "demonization" I was referring to the graphic commercials that illustrate how drink-driving will result in the death of your beloved children, or the beautiful young mother who lives across the street.

Anyway, I don't mean to resurrect that argument, and duty beckons with its bony finger of doom. BBL!

339 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:55:57am

re: #333 iossarian

Did you even read the article?

"Underserved" is a relative term
The article is about NYC as a whole

Compared to Brooklyn or Manhatten, YES,, Queens is "underserved" by cabs/ public trasnit in comparison

But compared to rural America (and even many other major cities) not so much!

340 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 6:56:13am

re: #338 iossarian

By "demonization" I was referring to the graphic commercials that illustrate how drink-driving will result in the death of your beloved children, or the beautiful young mother who lives across the street.

Anyway, I don't mean to resurrect that argument, and duty beckons with its bony finger of doom. BBL!

Oh gag...

341 researchok  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:01:21am

re: #334 Walter L. Newton

There is a DUI problem because people get drunk.

Arresting or punishing drunks is not "demonizing." It's a reasonable reaction to people who are capable of killing other humans and themselves because they drink to excess.

And they also have extreme punishments for drunken driving. They can fine you right on the spot and if you are drunk enough, your car will be confiscated from you, at the point you were stopped.

The reality pill.

Nice.

342 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:03:49am

re: #341 researchok

Except, of course, that it didn't make any sense as a reply to what Iossarian was saying.

343 researchok  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:04:27am

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

Up early this morning... Kaiser contacted me yesterday with a little programming task for the patient survey system I maintain for them.

Great timing. I have one event left on my list for my Paris trip that I needed to pay for before I left, and Kroger was nice enough to cut all our hours right after Thanksgiving, up to the week before Christmas.

That was their Christmas present to themselves. Food sales are slower between those holidays, and hell, why pay dedicated employees to stand around and take care of only 400 customers a week, instead of the average busy time 600 customers a week. Cut those hours, that'll teach them.

From what I've learned, this "tweaking" of hours, almost on a weekly basis, is nothing new for retail, it's common in the trade, but as someone who has never had the pleasure working retail before, I'm constantly getting an education in the business.

Anyway... the little Kaiser project will take up the slack. It feels good when you're able to take care of things, on your own, using your own skills and wit. It's little things like this that makes the holiday season so much more feel good.

You'll need more money.

This time of the year, Parisian patisserie bakers outdo themselves.

It is futile to resist.

Really.

Looking at the pastries will cause you to move your belt a notch. Or two.

344 researchok  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:05:19am

re: #342 Obdicut

Except, of course, that it didn't make any sense as a reply to what Iossarian was saying.

Redefining a problem for clarity is always helpful.

345 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:09:16am

My grandparents were killed by a drunk driver. They were in their car in standing still traffic on a highway because a Blue Angel's air show had just finished and folks were leaving. They were hit by a 22 year old guy going 65-75 miles an hour.
My grandma's spine was severed and my grandpa had a massive heart attack as well as broken bones. They both died from their injuries within a couple of hours.
I think the situation of drunk driving is being addressed well in KC with sobriety check points starting at about 10:00PM at various places around town.
Horrible tragedies still happen everyday.

346 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:12:35am

re: #344 researchok

Redefining a problem for clarity is always helpful.

That's nice. However, Iossarian was making a very good point. It's a truism that the reason people drive drunk. That's not redefining the problem.

There are definitely cultural and practical reasons why drunk driving is a problem. When drunk-driving is winked at culturally, it's a problem. That's what Iossarian meant by a demonization campaign in Europe; specifically, the Scandanavian countries, despite being incredibly high consumers of alcohol. They've achieved a gigantic drop in drunk driving over the past ten years.

347 researchok  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:18:30am

re: #346 Obdicut

That's nice. However, Iossarian was making a very good point. It's a truism that the reason people drive drunk. That's not redefining the problem.

There are definitely cultural and practical reasons why drunk driving is a problem. When drunk-driving is winked at culturally, it's a problem. That's what Iossarian meant by a demonization campaign in Europe; specifically, the Scandanavian countries, despite being incredibly high consumers of alcohol. They've achieved a gigantic drop in drunk driving over the past ten years.

Actually, that was the one point I agreed with. That said, there is little mercy shown to Scandinavians who drink and drive- and there has also been a drop in alcoholic consumption and public drunkenness. Not necessarily because drunk driving was demonized but because drunkenness in general is seen for what it really is- a boorish and self indulgent and self destructive endeavor.

348 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:23:11am

re: #347 researchok

Wait, what did you actually disagree with?

That more people drive when drunk when they have to drive more is also rather blankly obvious. But if it needs support:

[Link: www.popcenter.org...]

349 M. Dubious  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:24:19am

re: #327 iossarian

DUI is a big problem in the US in large part because there is no urban planning and no public transport.

There has also never been a demonization campaign against drink-driving there way there has been in some European countries.

It is interesting to note that France also has a drink-driving problem, for pretty much the same reasons (low population density outside the city and culture that more or less turns a blind eye to the problem).

I suggest reserving the outside lane for drunken drivers. Or move all the drunkards to cities with sufficient public transport. Urban planning 101.

350 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:25:37am

Why shouldn't drunk driving be demonized? Just a general question. I don't want to be a hypocrite, but I also think there needs to be some counter balance to our drinking culture.
My experience did not make a crusader out of me. It was in 1985, and I look at it as part of the "sobering" up of our society from the lax 70's. Nancy Reagan was saying, "Just Say No", MADD started up sometime around there.
I remember thinking, "hey, these are very valid points."

351 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:28:34am

re: #349 harald

The single most effective thing to do is immediately strip the license of anyone who drives drunk, for a period of several years. Nothing beats that. Since the police will only ever catch a small percentage of drivers who are driving drunk, this helps both by maximizing the effect of catching someone driving drunk, and helps to spread a societal intolerance for drunk-driving.

However, there are also negative outcomes from that; people losing their jobs, specifically, since they may not be able to get to work anymore. So solutions that stop drunk-driving before it occurs are, though less directly effective, a great thing to pursue.

352 researchok  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:29:58am

re: #348 Obdicut

Wait, what did you actually disagree with?

That more people drive when drunk when they have to drive more is also rather blankly obvious. But if it needs support:

[Link: www.popcenter.org...]

I never said I disagreed. There are factors that come to shade the issue insofar as how we deal with the problem.

I do agree with WLN in that drunk driving, when all is said and done, "is a boorish and self indulgent and self destructive endeavor."

People don't become shit faced because there is no public transportation all the light rail and subways and buses in the world won't change that.

The drunk is the problem, not mass transit.

353 M. Dubious  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:32:14am

re: #351 Obdicut

Your idea was better than mine. Let's go with yours.

354 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:33:03am

re: #352 researchok

I never said I disagreed.

When you say:

Actually, that was the one point I agreed with.

Then you're implying you disagree with the other points.

People don't become shit faced because there is no public transportation all the light rail and subways and buses in the world won't change that.

The drunk is the problem, not mass transit.

I'm sorry, but in reality, people will drive drunk more often when there is higher vehicle ownership, less public transportation, and larger distances to cover between destinations. It has nothing to do with why people become shit-faced; it has to do with how many people are driving drunk.

Did you read the link I posted?

355 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:36:06am

re: #352 researchok


I do agree with WLN in that drunk driving, when all is said and done, "is a boorish and self indulgent and self destructive endeavor."

People don't become shit faced because there is no public transportation all the light rail and subways and buses in the world won't change that.

The drunk is the problem, not mass transit.

Well, my point was that there are people I know in the US who drink and drive who, in Europe, would be drinking and taking the bus home (or in fact walking, since bars tend to be closer to where people live and towns are not designed to make a car the most convenient mode of transport).

I also think that it's important to note that we're not just talking about being "shit faced". Another part of the issue in the US is that people make a distinction between getting hammered and driving, and having a couple of drinks and driving.

Maybe it's a cultural response to the fact that, if you really had a zero-tolerance policy, most bars outside the big cities would close down overnight.

356 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:36:17am

re: #354 Obdicut

When you say:


Then you're implying you disagree with the other points.


I'm sorry, but in reality, people will drive drunk more often when there is higher vehicle ownership, less public transportation, and larger distances to cover between destinations. It has nothing to do with why people become shit-faced; it has to do with how many people are driving drunk.
Did you read the link I posted?

It is still not an excuse for drunk driving.

357 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:37:37am

re: #351 Obdicut

And most people who do get arrested on DUI turn out to be recidivists (they're only caught after driving under the influence countless times previously and will continue to do so into the future). Zero tolerance on DUI can help reduce the incidence, but it really comes down to personal responsibility - and perhaps an adjustment of dram shop laws (laws that limit liability on establishments that serve alcohol). If the dram shop laws are further strengthened to deter serving alcohol to those who are intoxicated, then we might see a further reduction in accidents/injuries and DUI.

358 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:38:36am

re: #350 prairiefire

Why shouldn't drunk driving be demonized? Just a general question. I don't want to be a hypocrite, but I also think there needs to be some counter balance to our drinking culture.
My experience did not make a crusader out of me. It was in 1985, and I look at it as part of the "sobering" up of our society from the lax 70's. Nancy Reagan was saying, "Just Say No", MADD started up sometime around there.
I remember thinking, "hey, these are very valid points."

I think the negative campaigning has to go hand in hand with some kind of effort to help people change their behavior (such as improving public transport, or allowing bars to be built nearer to people's homes). Otherwise you're just saying "your behavior is bad" without actually suggesting any way of changing it, which is not a very effective way of going about things.

359 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:39:16am

re: #356 rwdflynavy

It is still not an excuse for drunk driving.

Please show where I have said that it was.

360 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:39:55am

re: #359 Obdicut

Please show where I have said that it was.

Please show where I said you said it was.

//

361 M. Dubious  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:39:59am

re: #355 iossarian

Actually, many places in Europe they drink and bike, which is not unproblematic either. Or they drink and taxi, which creates havoc in the taxi line-up at two in the morning. Or they drink and bus/tram/train, which is not always very pleasant for other passengers.

I say drink and walk is the way to go.

362 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:40:06am

re: #357 lawhawk

Any action comes down to personal responsibility. That doesn't mean there aren't ways to get people to take personal responsibility, or to make it easier for them to make the responsible choice.

363 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:40:35am

I worked on some of the consequences of this accident. Most of the dead were Army Dependant children. The driver served less than 6 mos time per victim.

In 1988, a youth group from the First Assembly of God in Radcliff was involved in the worst drunk-driving accident in U.S. history, a bus accident in which a drunk driver going the wrong way on Interstate 71 hit the group's vehicle, killing 27 people in the crash and the resulting fire.

Wiki:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

364 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:41:16am

re: #363 Decatur Deb

I've lost a couple friends to drunk driving, on both sides. Hard to forgive those who were the drunk drivers. Nearly impossible, really.

365 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:42:30am

re: #356 rwdflynavy

It is still not an excuse for drunk driving.

No, but that doesn't help the kid who gets crippled by a drunk driver, does it? "Sorry kid, that guy should have shown more personal responsibility. Now here's the local quarterback who's come to visit you. Shame you'll never walk again."

re: #357 lawhawk

If the dram shop laws are further strengthened to deter serving alcohol to those who are intoxicated, then we might see a further reduction in accidents/injuries and DUI.

Successful drink-driving campaigns are based around the idea that any drinking is too much. Plus, an establishment that doesn't break those laws is going to go out of business in milliseconds. You can't run a bar profitably without serving booze to drunk people.

366 darthstar  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:48:47am

re: #356 rwdflynavy

It is still not an excuse for drunk driving.

The only time I drive drunk is when I've been drinking.

367 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:49:43am

My suggestion

DUI First Offense: Lose your license for one year
Second Offense: One year in prison, no chance for parole
Third Offense: Ten years in prison, no chance for parole

Oh, and build more light rail.//

368 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:50:39am

re: #365 iossarian

Good point, especially since there is no real standard for 'public drunkenness', and the legal limit for driving isn't really that high. Someone ordering two doubles in the space of two hours can easily be over the legal limit. And because-- speaking as an ex-bartender-- it's really, really hard to tell the alcohol tolerance of some people, let alone how much they've drunk already.

369 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:50:43am

re: #366 darthstar

The only time I drive drunk is when I've been drinking.

This is both funny and true: the problem with drink driving is that the drink not only impairs your ability to drive, it impairs your ability to decide whether or not to drive.

If you let people drive to bars, they are most likely going to drive away from them as well.

370 darthstar  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:51:26am

re: #365 iossarian

Successful drink-driving campaigns are based around the idea that any drinking is too much. Plus, an establishment that doesn't break those laws is going to go out of business in milliseconds. You can't run a bar profitably without serving booze to drunk people.

The best way to keep people from driving drunk is to post the difference between cab fare and fine for DUI on the door of the bar for people to see when they leave. My sarc upthread two comments not withstanding, I'm all for a $100 cab ride if I ever find myself having more than two or three drinks at someone's house...or I stay until I sober up.

371 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:51:49am

re: #366 darthstar

The only time I drive drunk is when I've been drinking.


Dire: #366 darthstar

The only time I drive drunk is when I've been drinking.

The other day I got invited to a party
But I stayed home instead
Just me and my pal Johnny Walker
And his brothers Black and Red

372 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:52:55am

Work is the curse of the drinking classes.

373 darthstar  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:53:37am

re: #369 iossarian

This is both funny and true: the problem with drink driving is that the drink not only impairs your ability to drive, it impairs your ability to decide whether or not to drive.

If you let people drive to bars, they are most likely going to drive away from them as well.

I pretty much have a two drink maximum when I go out. That's a far cry from how I behaved just a few years ago.

374 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:53:53am

re: #372 iossarian

Work is the curse of the drinking classes.

“Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake.” W. C. Fields

375 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:54:24am

re: #374 rwdflynavy

“Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake.” W. C. Fields

First LOL of the day!

376 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:54:33am

re: #373 darthstar

I've never driven. I'm very glad, given what a drunk I used to be.

377 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:55:20am

re: #376 Obdicut

I've never driven. I'm very glad, given what a drunk I used to be.

Cars are for losers!
///

378 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:56:31am

re: #369 iossarian

Well, NYC is doing its part - the price for a parking spot in a garage on the Upper East Side (Obdicut's environs IIRC), now tops out at over $1,000 a month. You can cars or make mortgage payments for less.

[T]he four-figure parking spot has arrived, as of last week, at the garage inside The Empire at East 78th Street and Third Avenue. With the parking tax, that comes out to $14,400 per year, enough to buy another new car, or 161 unlimited monthly MetroCards.

I'd go with the Metrocard and keep a car somewhere out of NYC entirely. Then again, if you're considering a $1,000 a month parking spot, you're not exactly hurting for money.

379 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:57:53am

re: #369 iossarian

This is both funny and true: the problem with drink driving is that the drink not only impairs your ability to drive, it impairs your ability to decide whether or not to drive.

If you let people drive to bars, they are most likely going to drive away from them as well.

I have a solution... impose Sharia law and close all the bars.

380 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:58:01am

Good morning lizards!

381 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:58:54am

re: #376 Obdicut

I've never driven. I'm very glad, given what a drunk I used to be.

The reality is that attacking the problem from the medical "drinking" end is not the easy way. Focus on the "driving", including development of intelligent cars with a sense of self-preservation, is more likely to produce results. ( If we, as a culture want results.)

382 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:58:57am

Report: U.S. Charges Against Julian Assange Imminent

As WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange sits in a British jail awaiting further extradition hearings related to charges in Sweden of sexual assault, his lawyers claim they are also preparing for an indictment in U.S. courts, reports ABC News.

"Our position of course is that we don't believe it applies to Mr. Assange and that in any event he's entitled to First Amendment protection as publisher of Wikileaks and any prosecution under the Espionage Act would in my view be unconstitutional and puts at risk all media organizations in the U.S.," Assange's attorney Jennifer Robinson told ABC.

Robinson said a U.S. indictment of Assange was imminent.

383 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:59:09am

re: #379 Walter L. Newton

I have a solution... impose Sharia law and close all the bars.

Actually, I think it was Christians who were behind Prohibition legislation.

384 lostlakehiker  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:01:12am

re: #99 palomino

One of two things will happen. Either the Tea Partiers will be really upset about this, and protest, threaten primary challenges, scream about RINO's, etc. Or they will realize that they got what they wanted (GOP victories in midterms), and now they will basically shut up about the gop and continue their attacks on Comrade Obama.

My guess is the latter. The Tea Party was primarily disgruntled gopers. Now that they've won, their mood has switched to gruntled, thus they'll accept business as usual, as long as it's controlled by the GOP.

If all TP wanted was wins, they might have allowed candidates who could win the general election the nomination, in, say, NJ. That was the most extreme example, but there were other senate races where a rational nominee on the GOP side would have stood a good chance, but the TP pick stood none.

TP will be quiet enough about this, but it'll be the quiet of despair. They took their best shot. Their nominees either lost, or turned on them before even taking office. Put this together with far-left Democrats who are upset that Obama isn't who they thought he was, and you have the recipe for much lower turnout in 2012.

385 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:01:14am

re: #383 iossarian

Actually, I think it was Christians who were behind Prohibition legislation.

(And women and progressive types, but shhh about that, OK?)

386 darthstar  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:02:44am

re: #383 iossarian

Actually, I think it was Christians who were behind Prohibition legislation.

Always invite two Baptists to go fishing with you, so you can drink your beer in peace. Invite only one, and he'll drink it all.

387 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:03:01am

re: #385 iossarian

(And women and progressive types, but shhh about that, OK?)

Hard to think of Carry Nation as "progressive". How about "experimental".

388 darthstar  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:03:09am

okay...time to go to work...laters.

389 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:06:26am

Lotsa Eastern European countires have a 0.00 tolerance for drinking and driving. Which means that people either drive stone sober or completely stoned drunk.

My rule of thumb in Flagstaff Arizona was never to drive home after dringing between 1 and 3 am, that's when the police were out looking for drunk drivers.

But after 3am was the change of shift, and the police were all sitting in the donut shops getting wired up for the night.

390 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:13:10am
391 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:15:33am

re: #390 Killgore Trout


Wonder if he will be able to press charges against his prison rapists...

392 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:22:27am

Related to prohibition, the second ship I cruised on was the USS Josephus Daniels (CG-27) named after the Secretary of the Navy who removed alcohol from Navy ships. The Sailors took to toasting him with the strongest beverage left aboard ship, coffee. Hence the term Cup of Joe.

Thus endeth the Navy History lesson.

393 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:22:55am

Giant Storks May Have Fed On Real Hobbits

In the "Lord of the Rings" books, hobbits were rescued by giant eagles, but real-life hobbits might have been hunted by giant storks, scientists find.

The fossil remains of what may have been a hobbit-like species of human were discovered in 2003 at the Liang Bua cave on the Indonesian island of Flores. In that cave, scientists also unearthed a large number of bird fossils — including 20,000- to 50,000-year-old wing and leg bones from what appears to have been a stork nearly 6 feet tall (1.8 meters).

"From the size of its bones, we initially were expecting a giant raptor, which are commonly found on islands, not a stork," said Hanneke Meijer, a vertebrate paleontologist at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington.

The carnivorous giant (Leptoptilos robustus) was a hitherto unknown species of marabou stork, among the largest birds alive on the planet.

394 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:23:23am

re: #392 rwdflynavy

Related to prohibition, the second ship I cruised on was the USS Josephus Daniels (CG-27) named after the Secretary of the Navy who removed alcohol from Navy ships. The Sailors took to toasting him with the strongest beverage left aboard ship, coffee. Hence the term Cup of Joe.

Thus endeth the Navy History lesson.


You mean all they had left was sodomy and the lash?

395 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:23:36am

re: #392 rwdflynavy

Snopes says no.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

396 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:27:40am

re: #395 Obdicut

Snopes says no.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]


The claim on Snopes says: Coffee is sometimes referred to as a "cup of joe" because of Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels.

I referred to it, so that makes the sometimes true.//

On a related note, does this mean the email I got from Bill Gates promising me a quarter for each person I forward it to is bogus?

397 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:28:17am

News from the crazy conspirological world: a certain Igor Panarin thinks that Wikileaks is a British anti-Russian project, aimed, among other goals, at destabilizing relations between Medvedev and Putin. Stupid man is stupid.

398 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:28:55am

re: #396 rwdflynavy

You have to forward it to everyone along with your credit card number and SS in order for it to work.

399 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:29:48am

re: #398 Obdicut

You have to forward it to everyone along with your credit card number and SS in order for it to work.

Thanks!

400 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:30:55am

re: #398 Obdicut

Hello,
Did you happen to see the follow up page on Patrick Polk and busking?

401 danhenry1  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:31:58am

Referencing everything that has been happening this country over the past 10-12 years; I am really starting to worry for out future.
There seem to be SO many folks out here that will not talk to you if you don't share similar opinions.
We can't even have decent conversations about sports. At one time I could say something about my sports teams. 'Boston', in general and we could have decent arguments and 'back and Fourths', about 'the games'....now it has been reduces to expressions of 'who cares what he's done' they cheated...Pats., who cares they drank whiskey before the Yankee series...(Red Sox 2004.)...
There is a true meanness going through our society right now, and people have lost sight.
I don't want people dieing over in Afghanistan, or anywhere. But the battle for the change in minds of the MEN in this region and others is going to be a long one. We have a responsibility of protecting the women of this part of the world.
We must.
This is kind of the major thing here guys....If we cannot protect the least of us, what are we going to do.
D

402 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:32:04am

re: #394 ralphieboy

You mean all they had left was sodomy and the lash?

The carrot and the stick, but which is which?//

403 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:32:47am

re: #401 danhenry1
Drunk posting this early (late?) is generally frowned upon.//

404 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:34:04am

re: #401 danhenry1

"Least of us "= Boston fans?

405 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:36:38am

re: #400 Rightwingconspirator

Nope. I'll have a look.

406 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:37:02am
"Barack Obama won the great tax-cut showdown of 2010 -- and House Democrats don't have a clue that he did."

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

OMG IS THAT BACON FALLING FROM THE SKY?

I find myself in agreement with Krauthammer.

407 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:37:15am

re: #401 danhenry1

I also seem to notice that the level of public discourse in America has grown abysmally low.

408 Henchman 25  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:37:24am

re: #252 Obdicut

You have my support. Losing a friend is horrible.

409 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:38:11am

re: #390 Killgore Trout

good news...
Julian Assange's lawyers warn of imminent US charges

Fire up the sympathy machine!

410 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:40:00am

re: #405 Obdicut

Whoops, should have linked...

411 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:40:44am

re: #410 Rightwingconspirator

I found it anyway. Good stuff.

412 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:43:51am

re: #406 Jeff In Ohio

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

OMG IS THAT BACON FALLING FROM THE SKY?

I find myself in agreement with Krauthammer.

Funny enough, the GOP doesn't seem to realize that Obama won.
They think they won.
Ah, well.

413 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:44:51am

re: #412 Varek Raith

Funny enough, the GOP doesn't seem to realize that Obama won.
They think they won.
Ah, well.

Sometimes it seems like the Democrats think they lost.

//

414 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:45:26am

More lulz from the party of fiscal responsibility....

415 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:45:32am

How dare you say such a thing!

/

416 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:46:00am

re: #413 Gus 802

Sometimes it seems like the Democrats think they lost.

//

///Hey we're new at this entire winning thing... we've never done it before!

417 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:46:07am

re: #406 Jeff In Ohio

I wish.

418 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:46:43am

re: #406 Jeff In Ohio

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

OMG IS THAT BACON FALLING FROM THE SKY?

I find myself in agreement with Krauthammer.

So I went to see what DailyKos has to say about it (they've been beating the hell out of Obama lately). So somebody posted a diary with a poll. As of this moment, the results of the poll are:

Do you agree with Krauthammer?

Yes, GOP lost big one here 40% 88 votes
No, GOP achived a wonderful victory 40% 88 votes
Pie 20% 43 votes

419 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:46:46am

re: #410 Rightwingconspirator

Oh man, that second song in the second vid is giving me chills.

420 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:48:34am

re: #413 Gus 802

Sometimes it seems like the Democrats think they lost.

//

No one knows what the hell is what anymore.
;)

421 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:48:55am

re: #420 Varek Raith

No one knows what the hell is what anymore.
;)

What's a watt?

/

422 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:49:43am

Sex, drugs and Saudi moonshine


LIKE any one else in the world with a computer, I have spent the week reading WikiLeaks' diplomatic cables.

...There must be at least a snigger or a wry smile in all of this stuff somewhere. And there is. Consider the work of consul-general Martin R. Quinn. Posted to Saudi Arabia, he and his staff are tireless in their study of Saudi life. His cable begins:

"(C) Along with over 150 young Saudis (men and women mostly in their 20s and early 30s), ConGenOffs accepted invitations to an underground Halloween party at Prince X's residence in Jeddah . . ."

Such dedication to duty.

ConGen continues: "Behind the facade of Wahabi conservatism in the streets, underground nightlife for Jeddah's elite youth is thriving and throbbing. The full range of worldly temptations and vices are available -- alcohol, drugs, sex -- but strictly behind closed doors . . .

"Alcohol, though strictly prohibited by Saudi law and custom, was plentiful at the party's well-stocked bar, well-patronised by Halloween revellers. The hired Filipino bartenders served a cocktail punch using sadiqi, a locally made moonshine. While top-shelf liquor bottles were on display throughout the bar area, the original contents were reportedly already consumed and replaced by sadiqi. It was also learned through word of mouth that a number of the guests were in fact 'working girls', not uncommon for such parties."

Look at what ConGen and ConGenOffs subjected themselves to. And look at his ability to winkle out what's really going on: the counterfeit booze, the working girls. Impressive.

[snip]

423 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:50:18am

re: #421 Gus 802

What's a watt?

/

Never mind.

424 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:51:56am

re: #419 Obdicut

It did me too. We will record another soon, and I'm looking into an hour of studio time in my neighborhood. Lots of little studios, umm "Studio City" is next door.

425 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:53:12am

re: #409 Gus 802

Fire up the sympathy machine!

Mine seems to be broken.

426 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:58:40am

re: #425 Killgore Trout

I think I'm busy using mine for Patrick Polk.

427 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:58:53am

re: #425 Killgore Trout

Mine seems to be broken.

Yeah, I wish the DOJ would speed things up. The DOD though has implemented new procedures though to prevent any future copying of data -- which I'm sure you've seen. Too bad the Bradley Manning hearings won't be televised. I know. It wouldn't be televised for security reasons. Funny thing, ever since I was a little kid I grew up knowing that I couldn't know everything. Guess that came from seeing the 21st Air Force command center several times when I was a kid.

428 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:59:43am

Dutch teen arrested in ‘Operation Payback’ was running chat room


Dutch police say the boy, whose computer equipment was seized, "is probably part of a larger group of hackers" and expect to make more arrests. He will appear before a judge in Rotterdam on Friday.

If convicted, he could be sentenced to between four and six years in prison, Wim de Bruin, a spokesman for the Dutch prosecution service, told Telegraph.

429 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 8:59:52am

Hey man. Like there should be more transparency with NORAD man. Like how will we know if they are like telling the TROOF when the next 911 hits man.

//

430 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:00:16am

re: #426 Obdicut

I lost the photographer point of view and became a fan.

431 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:00:46am

re: #429 Gus 802

Hey man. Like there should be more transparency with NORAD man. Like how will we know if they are like telling the TROOF when the next 911 hits man.

//

As long as Alex Jones is alive, we don't need that!
//

432 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:01:52am

re: #431 sattv4u2

As long as Alex Jones is alive, we don't need that!
//

Nor Luap!

433 iossarian  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:01:56am

re: #406 Jeff In Ohio

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

OMG IS THAT BACON FALLING FROM THE SKY?

I find myself in agreement with Krauthammer.

I'm not sure I agree with Krauthammer. As far as I can make out the main points of his argument are roughly as follows:

1) The GOP is the party of reducing the deficit, so they lost (the deal adds ~$1T to the deficit)

2) The Democrats want a "spending orgy stimulus", which this deal gives them.

3) The "left" is making an empty threat to primary Obama, they will end up voting for him anyway.

So, what do I think of those three points?

Point 1 is simply wrong. The GOP is not the party of reducing the deficit - "deficits don't matter". They are the party of ensuring that the wealthy retain as much of their wealth as possible. How this affects the deficit is immaterial - no-one in the GOP is talking about how to pay for the $700B cost of the upper-income tax cut. So on this count, the deal is a win for the GOP. The rich get to avoid contributing to the public good for another few years.

Point 2 is also wrong. The Dems/left want a stimulus, this is true. But they/we would rather get it with as little spending as possible. Food stamps, unemployment relief, investment in education - these all have far greater short and long-term economic stimulus effects than giving tax breaks to the rich. So any stimulus is better than none, but for the actual party of fiscal responsibility, it would have been far better to get the stimulus in a way that doesn't explode the deficit.

Point 3, finally, is also wrong. Obama won't get (successfully) primaried, this is true. But, will the base vote for him? My guess is that they will, but not as much as they did before. The problem Krauthammer has here is that he oversimplifies the voting process - he assumes everyone in a particular group is alike. But there will be many, many people in November 2012 for whom voting will be an inconvenience, and there will be plenty of "natural" Obama voters who simply won't bother to turn out, including many in the so-called "base".

434 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:02:29am

re: #428 Killgore Trout

"is probably part of a larger group of hackers"

Nominated for Understatement Of The Year

435 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:02:44am

re: #424 Rightwingconspirator

It did me too. We will record another soon, and I'm looking into an hour of studio time in my neighborhood. Lots of little studios, umm "Studio City" is next door.

Have you run into this bunch of Tranzi Prog musicians/engineers?

[Link: playingforchange.com...]

436 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:06:15am

Hey man. Like once the nation-states fall man like there will be peace man.

I think I need to vomit now.

/

437 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:06:39am

re: #425 Killgore Trout

Mine seems to be broken.

Mine doesn't exist.
/Sith

438 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:06:58am

re: #419 Obdicut

Oh man, that second song in the second vid is giving me chills.

His "Looking For Someone" sounds like a take on something classical, maybe De Falla.

439 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:08:04am

re: #436 Gus 802

Hey man. Like once the nation-states fall man like there will be peace man.

I think I need to vomit now.

/

That was the very thought Lennon (John, that is, not LenIN//) had as he penned "Imagine", no!?!?!

440 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:08:49am

re: #406 Jeff In Ohio

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

OMG IS THAT BACON FALLING FROM THE SKY?

I find myself in agreement with Krauthammer.

Falling bacon. Let me get my skillet.

441 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:09:26am

re: #440 prairiefire

Falling bacon. Let me get my skillet.

EGGSactly!

442 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:10:14am

re: #441 sattv4u2

EGGSactly!

...
I'm so tempted to downding this.
But, I have coffee.
Consider yourself lucky.
/

443 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:11:03am

re: #439 sattv4u2

That was the very thought Lennon (John, that is, not LenIN//) had as he penned "Imagine", no!?!?!

Yep. I always get my foreign policy advice from pop singers.

I admit. I come from the school that if you're being bullied the best way to stop the bullying is to punch the bully in the face. Worked for me!

444 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:12:01am

When you turn the other cheek it only makes it easier for your enemy to hit you again.

445 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:12:04am

re: #442 Varek Raith

...
I'm so tempted to downding this.
But, I have coffee.
Consider yourself lucky.
/

Instead of a downding, (wait for it ,, you know it's coming) I thought it called for a TOAST!

446 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:12:41am

re: #444 Gus 802

When you turn the other cheek it only makes it easier for your enemy to hit you again.

///Yeah don't know WHAT that crazy long haired hippie was thinking when he suggested that as a good idea...

447 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:13:51am

re: #443 Gus 802

Yep. I always get my foreign policy advice from pop singers.

I admit. I come from the school that if you're being bullied the best way to stop the bullying is to punch the bully in the face. Worked for me!

There are no "bullies"

Only misguided yutes that need love, better understanding and midnight basketball!!

448 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:15:05am

re: #443 Gus 802

Yep. I always get my foreign policy advice from pop singers.

I admit. I come from the school that if you're being bullied the best way to stop the bullying is to punch the bully in the face. Worked for me!

I'm glad I was 6' in middle school.
Bullies avoided me.

449 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:15:46am

re: #446 jamesfirecat

///Yeah don't know WHAT that crazy long haired hippie was thinking when he suggested that as a good idea...

Yeah. No countries. Just one giant homogeneous global-state ruling the world. After all, we are all the same no? I mean there's no difference between Canadian culture and Indonesian cultures. It's a one size fits all!

450 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:16:23am

re: #447 sattv4u2

Midnight basketball is a good program.

451 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:16:36am

re: #448 Varek Raith

I'm glad I was 6' in middle school.
Bullies avoided me.

The fact you were 22 years old at the time helped too, right??

//

452 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:17:15am

re: #449 Gus 802

Yeah. No countries. Just one giant homogeneous global-state ruling the world. After all, we are all the same no? I mean there's no difference between Canadian culture and Indonesian cultures. It's a one size fits all!

Wow, how did you go from a sarcastic comment on the importance of Forgiveness to that?

453 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:17:17am

re: #450 prairiefire

Midnight basketball is a good program.

yeah ,, but it's so dark it's easy to cheat!!

"I swished it from mid court!!"

454 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:17:37am

re: #451 sattv4u2

The fact you were 22 years old at the time helped too, right??

//

Lol.
I'm gonna step on you, bug!
:P

455 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:17:42am

re: #448 Varek Raith

I'm glad I was 6' in middle school.
Bullies avoided me.

My brothers lived up to their viking heritage in middle school. My mom always says "it's a good thing you never grew as big as your brothers."

456 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:17:58am

re: #452 jamesfirecat

Wow, how did you go from a sarcastic comment on the importance of Forgiveness to that?

You must have missed my sarcasm then. It was there.

457 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:19:37am

re: #455 prairiefire

My brothers lived up to their viking heritage in middle school. My mom always says "it's a good thing you never grew as big as your brothers."

Though, the downside to my quick growth spurt is arthritic knees.

Ah, well.

458 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:20:09am

re: #447 sattv4u2

There are no "bullies"

Only misguided yutes that need love, better understanding and midnight basketball!!

Art therapy and a hug!

/

459 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:21:05am

re: #456 Gus 802

You must have missed my sarcasm then. It was there.

I felt it but it wasn't 100% certain.

Also I wasn't sure what situation you were mocking "turn the other cheek" was exactly since you didn't make that post in reply or quoting of anything...

460 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:23:15am

re: #448 Varek Raith

I'm glad I was 6' in middle school.
Bullies avoided me.

That and the storm troopers.

461 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:24:36am

re: #459 jamesfirecat

I felt it but it wasn't 100% certain.

Also I wasn't sure what situation you were mocking "turn the other cheek" was exactly since you didn't make that post in reply or quoting of anything...

Ummm. I have to explain why I posted what I did? OK. I was inspired by some stupid LGF page I saw go by in Spy.

462 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:26:32am

re: #461 Gus 802

Ummm. I have to explain why I posted what I did? OK. I was inspired by some stupid LGF page I saw go by in Spy.

Ruh roh,, if that's the new standard, to paraphrase Rickie Ricardo

"There's gonna be a lot of 'splainin' to do"

463 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:27:09am

re: #462 sattv4u2

Ruh roh,, if that's the new standard, to paraphrase Rickie Ricardo

"There's gonna be a lot of 'splainin' to do"

Either that or a lot turning of the cheeks...

Or...

/

464 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:27:29am

re: #462 sattv4u2

Ruh roh,, if that's the new standard, to paraphrase Rickie Ricardo

"There's gonna be a lot of 'splainin' to do"

Kiraboshi!
Image: tumblr_lcutikKncI1qatrkio1_100.jpg

465 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:28:04am

re: #463 Gus 802

Either that or a lot turning of the cheeks...

Or...

/

A local boy kicked me in the butt last week,

I just smiled at him and I turned the other cheek

466 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:28:45am

re: #464 Varek Raith

Kiraboshi!
Image: tumblr_lcutikKncI1qatrkio1_100.jpg

Okay ,,, I'll have that, with a side of pot stickers and fried rice!!!

/

467 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:28:58am

re: #465 rwdflynavy

A local boy kicked me in the butt last week,

I just smiled at him and I turned the other cheek

Thank you sir may I have another!

468 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:29:36am

re: #467 Gus 802

Thank you sir may I have another!

DRAGGGOOOOOOO!!!!!

(What you guys had all the good ones)

469 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:29:55am

re: #466 sattv4u2

Okay ,,, I'll have that, with a side of pot stickers and fried rice!!!

/

You'll have "glittering stars"?
Okay.
:P
Hopefully, I won't have to explain my random posts.

470 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:32:07am

Tree to trim, BBL.

471 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:32:13am

Turning the other cheek? Isn't that the LGF principle? Like, it's even on the LGF cookbook cover.

472 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:35:06am

re: #470 Decatur Deb

Tree to trim, BBL.

Be careful,, you don't want to nick the bulbs with that razor!!

wait ,, WHAT !?!?!

//

473 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:35:47am

Later gators.
Remember!
Secrecy is baaaddd, mmmkay?
Lol.

474 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:36:40am

This is weird. From Xcel Energy:

Note: Pay Stations cannot accept credit cards or debit cards; North Dakota pay stations only accept cash.

If pay stations don't accept credit cards of debit cards that means all pay stations only accept cash.

475 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:36:54am

For anyone who's played Portal, this will blow your mind.

476 jamesfirecat  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:37:09am

re: #474 Gus 802

This is weird. From Xcel Energy:

If pay stations don't accept credit cards of debit cards that means all pay stations only accept cash.

Some stations might accept checks...

477 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:37:35am

re: #471 Sergey Romanov

Turning the other cheek? Isn't that the LGF principle? Like, it's even on the LGF cookbook cover.

More like... kiss my ass... not the other cheek.

In and out... programming right now.

478 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:37:41am

re: #476 jamesfirecat

Some stations might accept checks...

Oh damn. See, I'm running without coffee or tea.

Whew.

479 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:38:29am

re: #476 jamesfirecat

Some stations might accept checks...

I think it's referring to the "pay at the pump" option

480 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:38:32am

re: #478 Gus 802

Oh damn. See, I'm running without coffee or tea.

Whew.

Email me for coffee.

481 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:39:26am

re: #480 Walter L. Newton

Email me for coffee.

Do you deliver? ;)

482 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:41:07am

re: #476 jamesfirecat

Some stations might accept checks...

And money orders.

You ever read a newspaper headline in the morning and then come back and read it in the afternoon and the headliner reads differently?

483 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:45:12am

re: #435 Decatur Deb

That's new to me. Bookmarked for later, multitasking now...

484 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:46:03am

re: #481 Gus 802

Do you deliver? ;)

If you want me to. That's up to you. And I'm not smiling, I'm serious.

485 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:48:03am

Elephant tails, dried hedgehogs and chicken blood probably weren't on the top of your packing list the last time you traveled.

But U.S. Customs and Border Protection seized all of that and other animal parts and plants from one suitcase at Washington Dulles International Airport


Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: washingtonexaminer.com...]


My luck, it'll be the guy sitting in my row. He'll take the aisle seat, I'll be at the window seat, empty middle seat that he'll decide to keep his bag on!

486 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:48:50am

re: #484 Walter L. Newton

If you want me to. That's up to you. And I'm not smiling, I'm serious.

Well ,,, while you're making the delivery trip, I'll have a large pizza with sausage and green pepper!

487 Gus  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:50:32am

re: #484 Walter L. Newton

If you want me to. That's up to you. And I'm not smiling, I'm serious.

Thanks Walter. I'll be OK for the moment. Might pick up a cup when I go to pay my Xcel bill.

488 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:51:44am

Porn pioneer John Leslie dead at 65
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

His coffin is the one that looks like a tent!

489 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 10:45:17am

re: #443 Gus 802

Yep. I always get my foreign policy advice from pop singers.

I admit. I come from the school that if you're being bullied the best way to stop the bullying is to punch the bully in the face. Worked for me!

I punched a bully in the face once.

Then the other bullies held me down while he put the boots in.

490 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 10:46:19am

re: #488 sattv4u2

Porn pioneer John Leslie dead at 65
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

His coffin is the one that looks like a tent!

Stiff for the first time in 10 years.

491 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 11:20:26am

re: #226 Lidane

I've had this song in my head all damned day. Figured I'd share:


[Video]

That song is the best argument I have yet seen for terrorism.

492 shutdown  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 12:09:21pm

plus ça change, plus ça reste la même chose...

493 ihateronpaul  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 12:11:32pm

re: #28 SpaceJesus

the comments at foxnews.com about the Texas GOP being antisemitic is pretty much thunder dome

gimme links I have popcorn

494 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:30:53pm

re: #215 rwmofo

OK. Looks like I've made it to the top of the "Bottom Comments." Objective met. Heh. Adios.

That was your goal?
Why would you want that?


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