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1 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:46:38am

That's the first time I'd seen any part of the Hannity interview. Those who said she's been rattled by what happened in Tucson are right. Leaving aside the now-standard Palin boilerplate (they won't shut me up, etc.), when she was defending herself there was fear in her eyes.

2 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:53:35am

re: #1 makeitstop

I don't understand who she thinks is trying to shut her up. What's being said is that she should stop using violent and dehumanizing rhetoric. That doesn't equate to stopping talking.

3 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:54:20am

re: #2 Obdicut

I don't understand who she thinks is trying to shut her up. What's being said is that she should stop using violent and dehumanizing rhetoric. That doesn't equate to stopping talking.

Maybe Violent and dehumanizing rhetoric is all she knows how to say?

4 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:55:05am

Limbaugh's first reaction also was, "They won't shut me up!!11!" He's also a possessor of one of the biggest bullhorns in the country.

Emphasis on the "bull".

5 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:58:26am

re: #3 jamesfirecat

But it's not. She's also really good at a lot of fluffy twaddle, godbothering, and contradictory statements.

6 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:58:46am

That was classic.

7 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:02:25am

That would kick so much ass

8 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:04:21am

I'm just going to take a guess and say the "buffoons" tag isn't referring to Stewart...

9 Randy W. Weeks  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:07:11am

I would pay to see Palin on Stewart's show.

10 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:07:35am

re: #8 JasonA

I'm just going to take a guess and say the "buffoons" tag isn't referring to Stewart...

Frogs?........(the biologists in the crowd will get the joke)

11 Nevertires  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:08:18am

And 30 minutes later poor Sarah got a bit more love from the Colbert Report. Both very funny - in two different ways.

Loved Colbert's "Lesser Kardashian" comment!

12 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:08:45am

OT - Belated response to the discussion last thread about Brazilian ethanol production.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Deep pockets funding on how to make use of available resources and fill needs in a forward-looking way. I presume if the technology proves out to be a true oil-saver there will be U.S. refiners licensing the technology before too long and seeing where else it can be applied.

13 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:10:50am

quick OT for fallout players, is there a mod to get my own music into the radio bits? If I hear "I don't want to set the world on fire" one more time I am going to set the world on fire.

14 iossarian  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:11:14am

re: #9 LoneStarSpur

I would pay to see Palin on Stewart's show.

Absolutely. PPV, $40 for a half-hour. I'm in.

15 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:11:47am

Gallup Poll: Palin's Unfavorability Rating Hits All-Time High


In the poll, 38% of respondents said they viewed Palin favorably, while 53% said they viewed her unfavorably. That represents the worst favorability rating Palin has posted in the Gallup poll since John McCain put her on the national stage in 2008 when he named her as his running mate.
16 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:12:19am

re: #14 iossarian

Absolutely. PPV, $40 for a half-hour. I'm in.

Palin on Colbert would possibly be quite a bit more subtle in the set up, and therefore much more amusing when she gets tied into a knot.

17 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:14:31am

re: #2 Obdicut

I don't understand who she thinks is trying to shut her up. What's being said is that she should stop using violent and dehumanizing rhetoric.

And as you've pointed out numerous times before, it was Giffords herself who said as much, when Palin's infamous target map and "don't retreat, reload" blather first came out. In fact, that would seem to be the reason Palin was first brought up in connection to this shooting - not so much "blame", but "ooh, what an eerie coincidence".

18 otoc  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:14:47am

Palindrome, I laughed when I watched it last night and still chuckle over the word twisting that's relevant because of how Palin uses words.

That should be a tag....

19 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:15:41am

re: #11 Nevertires

And 30 minutes later poor Sarah got a bit more love from the Colbert Report. Both very funny - in two different ways.

Loved Colbert's "Lesser Kardashian" comment!

I don't get the whole Kardashian glama-fascination. Who are these women? It's like they just appeared on the covers of the tabloids one day and now there are fragrances, credit cards . . .

20 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:16:00am

Saw this in the morning Houston Chronicle....Sheikh Donates $150 Million to Cancer Research at MD Anderson, Houston.....this donation was made by the current President of the Arab Emirates to honor his father Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, who was treated for cancer at MD Anderson in Houston. Some how, just somehow, (and I could be wrong) I don't think this event will get near the air time on the anti-Mosque sites such as Geller's.

21 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:16:21am

John continues to hit it over the fence with his show. And kudos to his writers.

22 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:16:41am

re: #13 Dreggas

Yep. Here's a bunch of ways to do it:

[Link: www.fallout3nexus.com...]

23 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:17:13am

Wow, I just got a giant wall of text email from someone ranting at me about the story that the Vatican told Irish bishops not to report child abuse.

How the hell can anyone defend the Catholic Church in this?

24 Nevertires  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:19:32am

I thought the intro to Jon's Palin segment was brilliant. His writers definitely deserve kudos. I thought it was ballsy and hilarious - it made me laugh out loud.

25 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:19:44am

Speaking of The Victim in Tuscon --sounds like she is making awesome progress!

"Kelly did reveal a few things to Sawyer that news outlets haven't covered yet. Kelly talked about how Giffords smiled at a doctor who walked in the room and seems to acknowledge that she is aware of her surroundings. He can give her an object and she knows how to use that object as it is intended, such as holding a pen. The doctor can give her a piece of paper with a word on it upside down and she can turn it around until it appears how it should look.

Kelly conveyed the fact that Giffords is able to understand simple commands, such as taking a pen or moving her legs. He also mentioned how she is able to take her fingers and twirl his wedding ring around on his finger and then take it off. Giffords takes the wedding ring off his finger and puts it on her finger and twirls it around, then can place it back on his finger. This is something she did before the shooting, which is a good sign of cognitive function. "

26 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:21:13am

Stewart can be a little too manic for me with his act, but he is pretty funny most of the time

27 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:21:37am

re: #23 Charles

Wow, I just got a giant wall of text email from someone ranting at me about the story that the Vatican told Irish bishops not to report child abuse.

How the hell can anyone defend the Catholic Church in this?

Many have, many will. I've seen it here. "Wasn't my country/dioceses/parish/priest"... but sadly it keeps getting closer and closer to everyone.

28 Nevertires  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:21:42am

re: #19 ggt

It staggers the mind. I thought I would never use terms like "cult of celebrity" but ... here I go.

29 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:21:45am

re: #23 Charles

Wow, I just got a giant wall of text email from someone ranting at me about the story that the Vatican told Irish bishops not to report child abuse.

How the hell can anyone defend the Catholic Church in this?

There is no defense. The Individuals involved and the Church are not the same thing. These individuals are damaging the Church.

Either way, they aren't getting any of my money.

30 leftynyc  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:21:49am

I'm not sure it should get its own thread but Colbert also skewered her pretty good last last.

31 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:21:58am

re: #23 Charles

Wow, I just got a giant wall of text email from someone ranting at me about the story that the Vatican told Irish bishops not to report child abuse.

How the hell can anyone defend the Catholic Church in this?

When I read the article on this I was struck by the phrasing the Vatican used when warning local church officials to not report mis-conduct to local authorities. They referred to "moral and canonical" issues. Well moral issues are always debatable but canonical issues clearly means that the Catholic church feels that church laws supersede the laws of the countries they operate in.

32 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:23:03am

re: #22 Obdicut

Yep. Here's a bunch of ways to do it:

[Link: www.fallout3nexus.com...]


thanks, going to save that one for later. WOuld love to just have GNR's sound bites interspersed between my music. Probably not possible.

33 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:23:33am

Facebook, Twitter addict!
LOL

34 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:23:48am

re: #23 Charles

Beats the heck out of me. The documents that show that the Vatican knew what was going on and tried to bury the details is as damning as it gets despite Vatican claims to the contrary.

A Vatican department advised Ireland's Catholic bishops in 1997 not to report priests suspected of child abuse to the police, a newly revealed letter shows.

Obtained by Irish broadcaster RTE, the letter shows Vatican officials rejected an initiative to begin the "mandatory reporting" of abuse claims.

The proposed policy "gives rise to serious reservations", it says.

The Vatican has persistently said it never instructed bishops to withhold suspicions or evidence of crimes.

Abuse victims in Ireland and the US said the letter, which RTE said it had received from an Irish bishop, was a "smoking gun" that would serve as important evidence in lawsuits against the Church.

But the Vatican said it represented an approach to sex abuse cases shaped by a particular Vatican office, the Congregation for the Clergy, before 2001.

In that year, Pope John Paul II asked the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - then led by the future Pope Benedict XVI - to handle such cases.

Veteran Vatican analyst John Allen said that, while embarrassing, the letter was "not a smoking gun because it is not a directive. Not an order. This is one Vatican official giving his opinion. It is not a policy document.

Does anyone think that the Irish church officials wouldn't follow the letter signed by the late Archbishop Luciano Storero, who was one of Pope John Paul II's top officials?

It goes to the systemic thinking among Vatican officials to attempt to quash talk of sex scandals in various locales around the world.

35 otoc  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:23:51am

re: #23 Charles

Wow, I just got a giant wall of text email from someone ranting at me about the story that the Vatican told Irish bishops not to report child abuse.

How the hell can anyone defend the Catholic Church in this?

lol, you need to ask why? I'm surprised you aren't getting more than one. But I'm from Boston and totally biased regarding this hypocrisy.

36 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:25:36am

re: #35 otoc

lol, you need to ask why? I'm surprised you aren't getting more than one. But I'm from Boston and totally biased regarding this hypocrisy.

My Catholic Church in Boston connection... one of my great-(uncles|cousins) was the Boston strangler's confessor in prison.

37 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:26:03am

Now we can ask really controversial questions, like:

If Nuns/Women had more power in the Church would these things happen?

38 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:26:57am

re: #36 McSpiff

My Catholic Church in Boston connection... one of my great-(uncles|cousins) was the Boston strangler's confessor in prison.

What a job!

39 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:27:09am

re: #33 albusteve

Facebook, Twitter addict!
LOL


Ah... That is an Addiction!
....In three years or less there will be Treatment Centers for the new
addiction yet unnamed!//
Should start up one now ! only 1/2 ///
I hate me some Facebook!

40 iossarian  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:27:15am

re: #37 ggt

Now we can ask really controversial questions, like:

If Nuns/Women had more power in the Church would these things happen?

Or even: if you deny the fulfillment of one of the most basic human urges to the leaders of your group, can you expect them to behave like balanced human beings?

41 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:27:32am

re: #36 McSpiff

My Catholic Church in Boston connection... one of my great-(uncles|cousins) was the Boston strangler's confessor in prison.

My connection: The new archbishop is my old seminary roommate. He's a company man, but basically honest.

42 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:28:21am

re: #27 McSpiff

Many have, many will. I've seen it here. "Wasn't my country/dioceses/parish/priest"... but sadly it keeps getting closer and closer to everyone.

if they give money to the church, they have a responsibility to demand justice....those that don't are enablers, part of the problem

43 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:29:22am

re: #41 Decatur Deb

My connection: The new archbishop is my old seminary roommate. He's a company man, but basically honest.

You were in a Catholic seminary?

44 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:29:46am

re: #28 Nevertires

It staggers the mind. I thought I would never use terms like "cult of celebrity" but ... here I go.

never?....it's been around for ever
TV junkies

45 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:30:11am

re: #40 iossarian

Or even: if you deny the fulfillment of one of the most basic human urges to the leaders of your group, can you expect them to behave like balanced human beings?

Honestly, it is a choice. It's not exclusive to the the RC church. I think it is more about power than sex, in these instances.

46 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:30:23am

re: #43 EmmmieG

You were in a Catholic seminary?

Highschool and first year college (6-year school).

47 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:31:16am

re: #37 ggt

Now we can ask really controversial questions, like:

If Nuns/Women had more power in the Church would these things happen?

The problem would still exist and in fact, while it gets far less press, there are issues with Nuns as well ....Nun Accused of Sexual Misconduct. I believe that any institution that requires chastity to belong is always going to have these issues.

48 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:31:22am

re: #42 albusteve

if they give money to the church, they have a responsibility to demand justice...those that don't are enablers, part of the problem

Doesn't work that way. The Church is not a democracy. The only way to affect change is to withhold money.

49 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:31:30am

Feel free to add changes, this was the best I could do on short notice:


Petty woman, on sean Hannity
Petty woman, lookin right at me
Petty woman
I don't believe you, you're not the truth
No one could lie as bad as you
Mercy

Petty woman, won't you pardon me
Petty woman, I couldn't help but see
Petty woman
That you look Hateful as can be
Are you vengeful just like me
Wow

Petty woman, soot a rifle
Petty woman, lie a while
Petty woman, give your endorsement to me
Petty woman, yeah yeah yeah
Petty woman, sell some books today
Petty woman, say you'll stay with me
'Cause I need you, I'll treat you right
Come with me baby, be mine tonight

Petty woman, don't don't let liberals lie
Petty woman, don't make Sean cry
Petty woman, don't walk away, hey...okay
If that's the way it must be, okay
I guess I'll go on home, it's late
There'll be tomorrow night, but wait
What do I see
Is she walking back to me
Yeah, she's walking back to me
Oh, oh, Petty woman

50 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:31:41am

re: #42 albusteve

if they give money to the church, they have a responsibility to demand justice...those that don't are enablers, part of the problem

Amen to that. Honestly, from my experiences there is no way for a lay person to get heard at the top.

51 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:32:22am

re: #48 ggt

Doesn't work that way. The Church is not a democracy. The only way to affect change is to withhold money.

doesn't work what way?...you are not clear

52 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:33:29am

re: #50 McSpiff

Amen to that. Honestly, from my experiences there is no way for a lay person to get heard at the top.

if a million people scream, they will be heard...but they don't

53 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:33:37am

re: #51 albusteve

doesn't work what way?...you are not clear

A Catholic lay person cannot demand anything. The highest level you'll be heard at is local Bishop. Will never, ever get back to Rome where the decisions are made. Unless you have connections beyond what most of us do.

54 leftynyc  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:34:01am

re: #9 LoneStarSpur

I would pay to see Palin on Stewart's show.


Never happen. Grifter is also a coward.

55 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:34:38am

re: #52 albusteve

if a million people scream, they will be heard...but they don't

They would rather lose the American church than give power to the lay people.

56 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:34:54am

re: #47 Big Steve

The problem would still exist and in fact, while it gets far less press, there are issues with Nuns as well ...Nun Accused of Sexual Misconduct. I believe that any institution that requires chastityhumans to belong is always going to have these issues.

It's what the institution does afterwards that is telling.

57 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:35:05am

re: #53 McSpiff

A Catholic lay person cannot demand anything. The highest level you'll be heard at is local Bishop. Will never, ever get back to Rome where the decisions are made. Unless you have connections beyond what most of us do.

then the Pope and his pervert cronies will get off scott free

58 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:35:42am

re: #57 albusteve

then the Pope and his pervert cronies will get off scott free

Indeed they will. I've never doubted that for a minute. Its why I'm out.

59 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:36:06am

re: #23 Charles

I would guess that would a pedophiles reaction.

60 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:37:10am

re: #47 Big Steve

The problem would still exist and in fact, while it gets far less press, there are issues with Nuns as well ...Nun Accused of Sexual Misconduct. I believe that any institution that requires chastity to belong is always going to have these issues.

I think all institutions have these issues. The difference is that Nuns and Priests are held to the highest moral standards. I don't think it is entirely an RC issue.

Children are being damaged everywhere, it's just so sad that the Individuals in RC Church aren't taking a stronger role in serving those children.

This should be an opportunity for the Church to clean-house and take the lead on protecting children worldwide.

It's very hard for me to deal with.

61 okonkolo  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:37:27am

Perhaps the Vatican will hear complaints of persecution filed by Our Lady of Caribou.

62 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:39:07am

re: #58 McSpiff

Indeed they will. I've never doubted that for a minute. Its why I'm out.

I'm out because their cosmology is almost certainly incorrect. Their institutional problems are secondary.

63 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:39:47am

re: #51 albusteve

doesn't work what way?...you are not clear

You can't Demand anything. All you can do is withhold money until you get what you want. Which doesn't work either well, because the money is cut from Catholic Charities or local programs--which really need the money.

I do know one Parish that had a terrible Pastor (needed to retire about 30 years ago). They withheld donations until the Bishop replaced him. Wealthy parish.

Money talks.

64 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:41:18am

re: #57 albusteve

then the Pope and his pervert cronies will get off scott free

Oh no, the concept is that they will be held accountable in the next life . . . .. The religious concepts are real in the Church.

65 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:41:40am

re: #60 ggt

I think all institutions have these issues. The difference is that Nuns and Priests are held to the highest moral standards. I don't think it is entirely an RC issue.

Children are being damaged everywhere, it's just so sad that the Individuals in RC Church aren't taking a stronger role in serving those children.

This should be an opportunity for the Church to clean-house and take the lead on protecting children worldwide.

It's very hard for me to deal with.

yeah, well that ain't happening...the Individuals you speak off need the threat of criminal prosecution to rat each other out, and there is nobody that has the balls to do it...the Vatican needs to be invaded by a coalition of countries and shut down, the perps ID'd and sent packing to the Hague for trial

66 Alexzander  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:41:49am

re: #23 Charles

Wow, I just got a giant wall of text email from someone ranting at me about the story that the Vatican told Irish bishops not to report child abuse.

How the hell can anyone defend the Catholic Church in this?

Most people have an issue or two that is too close to their heart that they cannot see the other side of it.

67 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:42:37am

re: #63 ggt

You can't Demand anything. All you can do is withhold money until you get what you want. Which doesn't work either well, because the money is cut from Catholic Charities or local programs--which really need the money.

I do know one Parish that had a terrible Pastor (needed to retire about 30 years ago). They withheld donations until the Bishop replaced him. Wealthy parish.

Money talks.

that's essentially what I have been saying for three years

68 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:42:51am

re: #64 ggt

Oh no, the concept is that they will be held accountable in the next life . . .. The religious concepts are real in the Church.

So is the struggle between Church and State. No one ever called more than a truce.

69 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:43:47am

re: #67 albusteve

that's essentially what I have been saying for three years

Sorry, I missed it.

70 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:45:34am

re: #65 albusteve

yeah, well that ain't happening...the Individuals you speak off need the threat of criminal prosecution to rat each other out, and there is nobody that has the balls to do it...the Vatican needs to be invaded by a coalition of countries and shut down, the perps ID'd and sent packing to the Hague for trial

It's been tried, didn't work:

[Link: www.answers.com...]

71 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:48:56am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

It's been tried, didn't work:

[Link: www.answers.com...]

Vatican has the Swiss Guard.

:)

72 Buck  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:19:41am

It is my opinion that this has nothing to do with chastity, celibacy, abstinence or sexual expression at all.

It is about the purposely harming of children in order to fulfill their (the perverts) own needs. They can justify it in many ways but simple sex this isn't.

There are pedophiles who are married, with children, and sexually active.

I would like the Pope to look at the list of mortal sins. He can either simply add the harming of children, or if he has to cut something in oder to make this change, he can cut Gluttony. Not reporting this crime against a child would be doing harm to that child, and would also be a mortal sin.

No one can tell me this can't be done. He's the freaking Pope, he can do it if he wants.

I am not saying that this would eliminate the problem. But many of these offenders are more worried about their souls than the child's well being.

73 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:26:48am

re: #72 Buck

Again, as I said before:

It doesn't have anything to do with celibacy, but it does have something to do with people who are struggling with their sexual desires. If someone knows that they are a pedophile, and they are Catholic, they may have honestly thought that the priesthood was their best hope of controlling their urges. I mean, the Church claims that it can help normal, heterosexual priests rise above their desire; many pedophiles probably hoped that it could do the same for them.

In addition, a pedophile finds it easier to hide in a society where he's not expected to express a normal sexuality.

Other than that, everything you said is absolutely on the money. But celibacy, while not a problem, is incredibly problematic.

74 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:27:02am

re: #72 Buck

Good comments, but pretty late for commenters on this thread. The crimes have always met met the criteria for mortal sin from several perspectives (illicit sex, harming others, scandal).

75 theheat  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:19:25pm

To me, Sarah Palin is the walking talking portrait of Dorian Gray. With a heaping dose of stupid. And no small measure of martyrdom.

Revolting to the core.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:21:50pm

re: #19 ggt

I don't get the whole Kardashian glama-fascination. Who are these women? It's like they just appeared on the covers of the tabloids one day and now there are fragrances, credit cards . . .

They're famous for being famous. It's weird, yes. But they don't annoy me much.

77 William of Orange  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:22:43pm

I replayed that double-take at 3'08" minutes at least 10 times!! Hahaha!!!!

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:22:55pm

re: #20 Big Steve

Saw this in the morning Houston Chronicle...Sheikh Donates $150 Million to Cancer Research at MD Anderson, Houston...this donation was made by the current President of the Arab Emirates to honor his father Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, who was treated for cancer at MD Anderson in Houston. Some how, just somehow, (and I could be wrong) I don't think this event will get near the air time on the anti-Mosque sites such as Geller's.

If it did, Geller would speculate that the research center would now have to conform to sharia.

79 William of Orange  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:45:27pm

re: #23 Charles

Wow, I just got a giant wall of text email from someone ranting at me about the story that the Vatican told Irish bishops not to report child abuse.

How the hell can anyone defend the Catholic Church in this?

Deserves a topic on it's own!


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