Environmentalist Peter Sinclair’s latest video looks at the evidence of long term climate change gleaned from studying Antarctic ice cores, and how this historical evidence backs up climate scientists’ conclusions about the radical climate changes introduced by human production of CO2.
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theheat Fri, Feb 4, 2011 11:57:02am |
Silence the truth, there must be! - Yoda, as RNC Chairman
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:02:39pm |
The Times was just reporting about an effort to input data taken from the past 150 years years into computers to run reanalysis of global climate.
Because of the importance of the problem, researchers are using an assortment of creative methods to overcome the gap in past knowledge. If interpreted correctly, for instance, tree rings and lake sediments can provide insight into past temperature and drought.Another approach is to harness the power of modern supercomputers to perform what is called a retrospective analysis, or “reanalysis,” of climate data. Starting with available observations like atmospheric pressure and ocean temperature, scientists try to reconstruct a more complete picture of what the atmosphere was like at a given time.
Among the most ambitious projects of this sort is an effort led by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the University of Colorado to compile a record of the variability in the Earth’s atmosphere stretching from 1871 to 2008. An overview of this project is given in a recent scientific paper that can be found here.
The work involves harnessing massive computers owned by the Department of Energy to assimilate millions of atmospheric pressure and ocean temperature readings that were taken over the decades. Working from the basic laws of physics, the computers then try to fill in gaps, producing a snapshot of what the atmosphere was like every six hours.
The ability of these machines to recreate the past has its limits, of course, so the effort always comes with caveats. Still, scientists say the NOAA program has given them significant insights into the Earth’s recent climate history. Important papers using the NOAA reanalysis have already been published on the Dust Bowl of the 1930s and the unusual Arctic warming of the 1920s and ’30s, for example.
The data produced by this effort can also be used to create maps of the atmosphere for historical weather events — the type of maps we routinely see on television for current events. Among the most compelling is a video showing the powerful hurricane that formed in late August of 1900 and hit Galveston, Tex., on Sept. 8. (It killed at least 5,000 people, making it the deadliest natural disaster in United States history.)
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:03:08pm |
They mentioned one million year old ice core sample. Guess they can’t show this video in a Texas school without requiring a rebuttal from Literalists ©. “They have to be lying because ice core samples cannot be older than 6000 years.”
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theheat Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:06:29pm |
re: #5 Gus 802
As an aside, my mom suggested we give Texas to the Jews, and thus raise the bar for science and literacy. And piss off a whole bunch of fundies.
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Tumulus11 Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:08:59pm |
. The earth must be older than 6000 years if Kirk Douglas was already making movies in the tenth century.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:09:01pm |
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:09:22pm |
re: #6 theheat
As an aside, my mom suggested we give Texas to the Jews, and thus raise the bar for science and literacy. And piss off a whole bunch of fundies.
If things get any worse in the ME, we may have to.
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:09:56pm |
True patriots don’t trust ice core sample studied by atheistic uber-liberal scientists!
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HoosierHoops Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:10:06pm |
Great Video..And a lot of the science sponsored by Ohio State University..
Take that Rush you Putz!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:13:38pm |
re: #10 Gus 802
True patriots don’t trust ice core sample studied by atheistic uber-liberal scientists!
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They were faked by those Ancient Jews! /
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Kronocide Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:16:32pm |
re: #4 lawhawk
I am a member of ClimatePrediction.net, which uses my computer to run climate models when I’m not using it. It takes about 80 hours per simulation/year, then my computer will send the data back for a new test. They test modeling programs by running the models on previous years of weather since we know the outcome.
This uses the BOINC program. For any of you that leave your computer on most of the time and got the itch to ‘do something’ this is a no-brainer.
Oh, and Peter Sinclair is cranking out really good videos, biting, concise, yet with a little nuance of dry wit and warranted scorn eliciting the occasional smirk.
It’s clear that once the climate zombies come out of their stupor the fuel industries will make the tobacco industries look like pikers. There will be hell to pay dwarfing the blowback on Big Tobacco for their 30 years of BS and obfuscation.
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eastwald Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:19:28pm |
re: #13 Sergey Romanov
They buried false data in the ice thousands of years ago so their descendants could trick and enslave us! Herp.
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:21:00pm |
re: #15 eastwald
They buried false data in the ice thousands of years ago so their descendants could trick and enslave us! Herp.
Hell has frozen over!
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Kronocide Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:24:02pm |
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Kragar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:24:26pm |
re: #16 darthstar
We need to be working on massive projects for reforestation, irrigation and agriculture for generations, but instead, we’re wasting our time on stupid trivial bullshit to win 2 year election cycles.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:24:47pm |
Actually AGW hoax was given to Nimrod on the tower of Babel, together with the evolution hoax.
[Link: www.huecotanks.com…]
Its top was a great temple shrine, emblazoned with zodiacal signs representing the hosts of heaven, Satan and his ‘principalities and powers, rulers of the darkness of the world’ (Ephesians 6:12). These evil spirits there perhaps met with Nimrod and his priests, to plan their long-range strategy against God and his redemptive purposes for the post-diluvian world. This included especially the development of a non-theistic cosmology, one which could explain the origin and meaning of the universe and man without acknowledging the true God of creation. Denial of God’s power and sovereignty in creation is of course foundational in the rejection of His authority in every other sphere… . If something like this really happened, early in post-diluvian history, then Satan himself is the originator of the concept of evolution.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:26:21pm |
re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
We need to be working on massive projects for reforestation, irrigation and agriculture for generations, but instead, we’re wasting our time on stupid trivial bullshit to win 2 year election cycles.
I hate the feds
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:27:14pm |
re: #22 Gus 802
“still a fluid situation, and we are monitoring it closely”… heh
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Kragar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:27:51pm |
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:29:18pm |
Uh oh! Stephen Harper is speaking in French untranslated. The wingnuts are going to freak.
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:30:33pm |
I cant believe we still have Harper here in Canada. He’s quite the strategist to survive this long with a minority government.
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:30:52pm |
Redundant Headline of the day: “John Boehner Sex Probe”
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:32:35pm |
Santorum just keeps getting better and better
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Run for president, Santorum! I need a laugh
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Kragar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:33:18pm |
re: #30 WindUpBird
Santorum just keeps getting better and better
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Run for president, Santorum! I need a laugh
Frothy.
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:33:58pm |
re: #30 WindUpBird
Santorum just keeps getting better and better
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Run for president, Santorum! I need a laugh
Apparently Santorum has had to hire some crazy cutting edge web team to try and eradicate the current meaning of “santorum” on the world wide webs. Good luck with that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:34:00pm |
re: #27 Gus 802
NAFTA! One world government! NWO! French!
//
Tranzi progressive alliance lrgh;lrgrhrlrgrhrhr I’M A WARRIOR I READ SOLDIER OF FORTUNE EVERY NIGHT IN BED
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:34:05pm |
re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Need to get your special towel out?
I knew Gus is a crypto-Islamist!..
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:34:16pm |
re: #32 Alexzander
Apparently Santorum has had to hire some crazy cutting edge web team to try and eradicate the current meaning of “santorum” on the world wide webs. Good luck with that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH AWESOME
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:34:48pm |
re: #32 Alexzander
I wonder how they’ll eliminate it from wiki: [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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austin_blue Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:34:54pm |
Somehow, we survived BLIZZARD 2011!!!III!!!
A whole inch of snow! It was terrible.
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:34:56pm |
re: #34 Sergey Romanov
I knew Gus is a crypto-Islamist!..
Stop calling me a crypto-Islamist or I’ll sock you in your goddam face.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:36:16pm |
re: #38 Gus 802
Stop calling me a crypto-Islamist or I’ll sock you in your goddam face.
///
Whatever you do, don’t use your special towel!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:36:29pm |
re: #39 Gus 802
YOU’LL STAY PLAAASTERED
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:36:57pm |
re: #32 Alexzander
Apparently Santorum has had to hire some crazy cutting edge web team to try and eradicate the current meaning of “santorum” on the world wide webs. Good luck with that.
Well, they’re still failing…first result from the google search on “santorum”:
[Link: www.spreadingsantorum.com…]
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freetoken Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:37:20pm |
Besides ice core records, another type of “core” is from sea beds and lake beds. These are layers of sediments that also include plant remains. Recent research using these type of sediment cores from lakes have shown that in periods of rapid climate change, such as the deglaciation between 20 thousand and 10 thousand years ago, regional climates even thousands of miles away from the ice sheets can change dramatically, in a period of 50 years of less.
One example is from southern Mexico, which flipped from forest to savanna in less than 50 years.
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mr.fusion Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:37:40pm |
re: #15 eastwald
They buried false data in the ice thousands of years ago so their descendants could trick and enslave us! Herp.
Could’ve done it the same time they buried fake dinosaur fossils……two birds, one stone
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Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:38:33pm |
re: #42 darthstar
I think we need a BIG NSFW warning on that one, by the way.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:38:39pm |
I mean, as if the GOP’s insane adhesion to radical social ‘conservatism’ wasn’t enough reason to reject them, they’re also idiotically insistent on ignoring AGW.
I really want to see Huntsman run just because he’s not an AGW denier, and, in fact, is very pro-doing-something-about-AGW. I want to see someone try to pummel the truth into the Republican base.
He’s already getting savaged on the loony blogs, by the way.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:39:44pm |
Santorum on the Judicial System
“The courts were supposed to be the most insignificant branch of the government,” he said. Congress has the power and the right to declare what is constitutional or not, he said, and added that since Congress created all of the courts, other than the Supreme Court, it has the power to disband them.
Yeah, fuck this “Checks and Balances” bullshit.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:39:49pm |
re: #47 Obdicut
I mean, as if the GOP’s insane adhesion to radical social ‘conservatism’ wasn’t enough reason to reject them, they’re also idiotically insistent on ignoring AGW.
I really want to see Huntsman run just because he’s not an AGW denier, and, in fact, is very pro-doing-something-about-AGW. I want to see someone try to pummel the truth into the Republican base.
He’s already getting savaged on the loony blogs, by the way.
It’s like they smell intelligence and that sets them off
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:39:51pm |
re: #33 WindUpBird
Tranzi progressive alliance lrgh;lrgrhrlrgrhrhr I’M A WARRIOR I READ SOLDIER OF FORTUNE EVERY NIGHT IN BED
Knock it off, puke. For a couple years I was technically a “mercenary”. (No gun, sort of a pacifist, but a Law of War mercenary.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:40:57pm |
re: #50 Decatur Deb
Knock it off, puke. For a couple years I was technically a “mercenary”. (No gun, sort of a pacifist, but a Law of War mercenary.)
I can’t make fun of solider of fortune and its ads for throwing stars? :D
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Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:41:07pm |
re: #47 Obdicut
I mean, as if the GOP’s insane adhesion to radical social ‘conservatism’ wasn’t enough reason to reject them, they’re also idiotically insistent on ignoring AGW.
I really want to see Huntsman run just because he’s not an AGW denier, and, in fact, is very pro-doing-something-about-AGW. I want to see someone try to pummel the truth into the Republican base.
He’s already getting savaged on the loony blogs, by the way.
I don’t think Huntsman stands a chance; if he does run it will be a symbolic move, to make a statement about the extremism of the GOP. The base will never vote for him.
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:41:36pm |
Kenneth Cole having difficulty scrubbing that tweet about the protests in Egypt.
Someone put that tweet on the window of a Kenneth Cole shop in SOMA (San Francisco) around 2am this morning.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:42:50pm |
re: #51 WindUpBird
I can’t make fun of solider of fortune and its ads for throwing stars? :D
I ruined some guy’s day once by noting all the “Mercs” in the article he was reading had blank fire adapters attached to their rifles.
“Those are silencers!”
“Lets google it…gonna cry now?”
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:42:52pm |
re: #53 darthstar
wow, that’s like a Banksy move, nice
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:43:37pm |
re: #51 WindUpBird
Hell, the Army didn’t even trust me with a nunchuck.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:43:46pm |
re: #52 Charles
I don’t think he has a chance either. He’s not anti-gay, he’s not anti-science, and he’s not anti-immigrant. And he’s a Mormon.
But he might be able to convince some people on the GOP, or at least on the ‘leans GOP’ side, that AGW is real and needs to be dealt with.
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:43:56pm |
re: #55 WindUpBird
wow, that’s like a Banksy move, nice
Professionally done, too. I love harmless activism.
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tnguitarist Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:44:05pm |
re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Santorum on the Judicial System
Yeah, fuck this “Checks and Balances” bullshit.
So…….no rolling back the ACA in the courts, then?
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:44:22pm |
re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I’m sure our society would immensly improve immediately if Congress spontaneously disbanded all the Federal courts below the Supremes. Just think of all the held-up judicial appointments they wouldn’t need to worry about anymore…
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(Seriously, do any of these guys think through the real world implications of any of these talking points?)
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:44:43pm |
re: #47 Obdicut
I mean, as if the GOP’s insane adhesion to radical social ‘conservatism’ wasn’t enough reason to reject them, they’re also idiotically insistent on ignoring AGW.
I really want to see Huntsman run just because he’s not an AGW denier, and, in fact, is very pro-doing-something-about-AGW. I want to see someone try to pummel the truth into the Republican base.
He’s already getting savaged on the loony blogs, by the way.
At this point I would say that George W. Bush would be considered left wing by the Tea Party crowd. Huntsman would be an ideal candidate but I don’t see him going far. The most moderate we may see is Romney.
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sod Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:45:25pm |
Good information, but, Peter Sinclair’s speaking voice irritates almost as much as Conor Oberst’s “singing”.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:45:41pm |
re: #63 Gus 802
I don’t consider Romney as moderate, since he’s such a wishy-washy, pandering dude. Since the base is all insane, he’ll probably be all insane. He’ll at least probably run very insane.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:46:44pm |
re: #57 Decatur Deb
Hell, the Army didn’t even trust me with a nunchuck.
Basically, me and that magazine go way back to me reading it in stores when my mother was shopping, and checking out the weird classified ads in the back
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:47:20pm |
re: #65 Obdicut
I don’t consider Romney as moderate, since he’s such a wishy-washy, pandering dude. Since the base is all insane, he’ll probably be all insane. He’ll at least probably run very insane.
He’ll run as “less insane than Palin” while parroting all the same stuff with softer rhetoric
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HoosierHoops Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:49:10pm |
re: #57 Decatur Deb
Hell, the Army didn’t even trust me with a nunchuck.
You want to know the craziest weapon in the military?
My son wrote me from Iraq that they used silly string when breaking into buildings.. The silly string would drop over trip wires revealing the position of the trip wires inside..
The Marines are very smart..Silly string saved many lives
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:50:06pm |
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Summer Seale Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:50:12pm |
I really wish the right-wing base was as persecuted as they think they are.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:50:21pm |
Some recent news, even on topic:
Ice Cores Yield Rich History of Climate Change
On Friday, Jan. 28 in Antarctica, a research team investigating the last 100,000 years of Earth’s climate history reached an important milestone completing the main ice core to a depth of 3,331 meters (10,928 feet) at West Antarctic Ice Sheet Divide (WAIS). The project will be completed over the next two years with some additional coring and borehole logging to obtain additional information and samples of the ice for the study of the climate record contained in the core.As part of the project, begun six years ago, the team, funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF), has been drilling deep into the ice at the WAIS Divide site and recovering and analyzing ice cores for clues about how changes in the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere have influenced the Earth’s climate over time.
The drilling site is about 966 kilometers (600 miles) from the South Pole, at an ice divide (which is analogous to a watershed divide) in West Antarctica, where the ice is flowing out to the sea in opposing directions.
“This location was selected because it is the best place on the planet to determine how greenhouse gases have changed during the last 100,000 years” said Taylor. Since it began, the WAIS Divide Ice Core Project has continuously collected ice from the surface down to a depth of 3,331 meters. The ice at this depth fell as snow about 100,000 years ago. The high annual snowfall at the site enables individual annual layers of snowfall to be identified and counted (much like counting tree rings) back to about 40,000 years. Below that, the layers become too compressed to allow annual layers to be resolved. Scientists hope for at least decadal resolution to this point, sufficient for the science goals to be achieved.
[…]
It should be noted that if Rand Paul has his way and the NSF funding is cut dramatically then this type of research will likely be halted, at least by the US.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:50:48pm |
I know Egypt is important but CNN are being idiots right now. The border security deal that Harper and Obama met about today and are having a presser on as we speak is pretty major thing, for both countries. Yet they just ignoring that aspect. It’s all, this is the first time we can talk to the Pres about Egypt and it’s Egypt, egypt. It doesn’t even sound like the talking heads even have a clue about what the two are even talking about. They just listened to both of them talk about sovereignty, privacy issues and marrying regulations (kinda a big deal) and they flip back…so about Egypt blah blah blah. They weren’t talking about Egypt.
Dimwits.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:52:06pm |
Hot Air has another thread pimping the Paulian plan to stop foreign aid to Israel. Universal agreement in the comments. The wingnuts sure are different.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:52:14pm |
re: #68 HoosierHoops
You want to know the craziest weapon in the military?
My son wrote me from Iraq that they used silly string when breaking into buildings.. The silly string would drop over trip wires revealing the position of the trip wires inside..
The Marines are very smart..Silly string saved many lives
It’s an Item of Issue, now. Probably $300 a can via KBR. (The riot control agent grenades for the armor you see in the Cairo square is a bit over $200 a pop.)
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Kragar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:52:21pm |
re: #66 WindUpBird
Basically, me and that magazine go way back to me reading it in stores when my mother was shopping, and checking out the weird classified ads in the back
This knife had no tang, but a compass on the hilt and stores 3 matches and a bandaid, so it has to be good!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:54:11pm |
re: #62 oaktree
I’m sure our society would immensly improve immediately if Congress spontaneously disbanded all the Federal courts below the Supremes. Just think of all the held-up judicial appointments they wouldn’t need to worry about anymore…
///
(Seriously, do any of these guys think through the real world implications of any of these talking points?)
of course not, they’re idiots, with some power, they’re not bright people
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:55:01pm |
They also completely glossed over and didn’t even bother to show the answers to questions about Canada being a secure source of oil as well as few other energy issues. You would think that might be important.
I dunno, maybe the Harper speaking in French confused them.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:55:23pm |
re: #73 Killgore Trout
Hot Air has another thread pimping the Paulian plan to stop foreign aid to Israel. Universal agreement in the comments. The wingnuts sure are different.
Hot Air’s been in the midst of a big lurch even further to the right, not surprising for a Townhall-owned property.
I notice Allahpundit is kind of scarce these days.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:56:57pm |
re: #77 Jadespring
They also completely glossed over and didn’t even bother to show the answers to questions about Canada being a secure source of oil as well as few other energy issues. You would think that might be important.
I dunno, maybe the Harper speaking in French confused them.
To busy making cheese and surrender jokes probably.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:57:24pm |
re: #78 Charles
Hot Air’s been in the midst of a big lurch even further to the right, not surprising for a Townhall-owned property.
I notice Allahpundit is kind of scarce these days.
Good point. I don’t see anything from AP on the front page. Maybe he’s being phased out.
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:57:53pm |
re: #80 Killgore Trout
Good point. I don’t see anything from AP on the front page. Maybe he’s being phased out.
I saw three at the very bottom of the page.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:58:00pm |
BTW, speaking of science, the inability of “journalism” industry to accurately report on science seems to have no depth.
For instance, consider this story headline from today: “NASA’s ‘astonishing’ find: 54 planets that can sustain human life”.
Now, in reality, NASA did no such thing. What NASA’s Kepler satellite did do was detect 54 candidates for planets which happen to be in the habitable (= liquid water temperatures) zone of orbits around their stars (in this case all small, relatively cool stars.)
Even if all 54 candidates turn out to be true (and not false positives), all of them could be quite hostile to any form of life, much more so to “human life.”
The ability to accurately report the truth seems to be beyond some people.
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:00:16pm |
A friend of mine just wondered aloud on facebook why Egyptian protesters are able to spell their signs correctly when English isn’t their first language…could be more evidence that this whole thing was started by Obama and the Tides Foundation. ///
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:00:59pm |
re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
To busy making cheese and surrender jokes probably.
Or “Duh I canna only have one thing in my head at one time. Otherwise I get confused…so Egypt, Egypt, Egypt….the presser was about Egypt…I repeat the presser was about Egypt…the words don’t matter….IT WAS ABOUT EGYPT I tell you.” :)
Obama did make a comment about Egypt and answered a question about it. He seems to be capable though of having at least two things in his head at one time.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:01:36pm |
re: #83 darthstar
A friend of mine just wondered aloud on facebook why Egyptian protesters are able to spell their signs correctly when English isn’t their first language…could be more evidence that this whole thing was started by Obama and the Tides Foundation. ///
facepalm
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:02:07pm |
re: #83 darthstar
A friend of mine just wondered aloud on facebook why Egyptian protesters are able to spell their signs correctly when English isn’t their first language…could be more evidence that this whole thing was started by Obama and the Tides Foundation. ///
Did you tell them that they were an ignorant racist douchebag?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:02:14pm |
re: #73 Killgore Trout
Hot Air has another thread pimping the Paulian plan to stop foreign aid to Israel. Universal agreement in the comments. The wingnuts sure are different.
they move from one fake outrage to the next, they were never pro-Israel, they were just anti-Islam
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:02:24pm |
re: #82 freetoken
BTW, speaking of science, the inability of “journalism” industry to accurately report on science seems to have no depth.
For instance, consider this story headline from today: “NASA’s ‘astonishing’ find: 54 planets that can sustain human life”.
Now, in reality, NASA did no such thing. What NASA’s Kepler satellite did do was detect 54 candidates for planets which happen to be in the habitable (= liquid water temperatures) zone of orbits around their stars (in this case all small, relatively cool stars.)
Even if all 54 candidates turn out to be true (and not false positives), all of them could be quite hostile to any form of life, much more so to “human life.”
The ability to accurately report the truth seems to be beyond some people.
It’s structural. If you are “inside” any subculture—Science, Military, Religion etc. you see the insane oversimplification involved in “getting the story”. The shame is that everyone thinks the “bad” reporters are “good” when reporting the other’ guy’s stuff. A lot of soldiers really hate Christianne Amanpour.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:03:04pm |
re: #83 darthstar
A friend of mine just wondered aloud on facebook why Egyptian protesters are able to spell their signs correctly when English isn’t their first language…could be more evidence that this whole thing was started by Obama and the Tides Foundation. ///
How sad, people in Egypt have better written English skills than the Tea Party :D
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Skeetghazi Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:03:35pm |
D’oh! Palin’s bid to trademark her and Bristol’s name failed, application forms were not signed, government records show.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:04:42pm |
re: #82 freetoken
BTW, speaking of science, the inability of “journalism” industry to accurately report on science seems to have no depth.
The ability to accurately report the truth seems to be beyond some people.
Commercial news networks are in business to sell advertising. Their customers are the people who would like to get our attention to tell us why we should buy their products.
The news and other programming is to get our attention so that the advertisers have people to address.
ergo, whatever gets our attention will be put on the screen.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:05:43pm |
re: #83 darthstar
A friend of mine just wondered aloud on facebook why Egyptian protesters are able to spell their signs correctly when English isn’t their first language…could be more evidence that this whole thing was started by Obama and the Tides Foundation. ///
They are picking up on a Rush Limbaugh talking point.
And it is true: if Tea partiers cannot spell correctly, then where did Egyptians learn to do so?
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:05:46pm |
re: #86 Jadespring
Did you tell them that they were an ignorant racist douchebag?
Okay that was harsh. My apologies, but comment like that are essentially based in ignorance and prejudice. I don’t understand how people (brown people) like that are capable of spelling without the help of someone else.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:06:23pm |
OT:
7 injured by falling ice at the House that Jerry Jones built.
And for those looking ahead to 2014 when the Super Bowl will be played in the Meadowlands, it might be done without Xanadu in the background as the roof there has issues and one of the walls buckled from all the snow and ice accumulations.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:06:24pm |
re: #78 Charles
Speaking of Townhall, they still run Pat Buchanan’s articles, and I just checked the comments on his latest column there (about Egypt and the US “abandoning” Mubarak) and as expected the majority of comments are just Obama-hate-fests.
The far right really has distilled itself down to a thick, gooey mire of hate.
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HoosierHoops Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:06:44pm |
re: #83 darthstar
A friend of mine just wondered aloud on facebook why Egyptian protesters are able to spell their signs correctly when English isn’t their first language…could be more evidence that this whole thing was started by Obama and the Tides Foundation. ///
Well Jay Leno said last night that half the signs were written in English so half of America could understand them..
The other half of the signs were written in spanish so the rest of America could read them..
/Not my joke!
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Summer Seale Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:07:20pm |
re: #83 darthstar
A friend of mine just wondered aloud on facebook why Egyptian protesters are able to spell their signs correctly when English isn’t their first language…could be more evidence that this whole thing was started by Obama and the Tides Foundation. ///
I did see several signs with misspelled words. The one that sticks out at the moment was “By By Mubarak”. But yes, overall, they did appear to have better written English skills than the Tea Party.
Maybe it’s because some of them are quite net-savvy and aren’t “Morans”.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:10:14pm |
re: #97 Summer
I did see several signs with misspelled words. The one that sticks out at the moment was “By By Mubarak”. But yes, overall, they did appear to have better written English skills than the Tea Party.
Maybe it’s because some of them are quite net-savvy and aren’t “Morans”.
Egypt obviously has it’s large uneducated proles. When the Army lets the “Pros” in to fight the “Antis”, you are seeing the Digital Divide acted out with sticks and stones.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:10:40pm |
And, just to be fair, American society isn’t the only one mired in magical thinking:
Bombay Court: Astrology is a Science
As far as Bombay’s High Court is concerned, astrology is a science.
“So far as prayer related to astrology is concerned, the Supreme Court has already considered the issue and ruled that astrology is science. The court had in 2004 also directed the universities to consider if astrology science can be added to the syllabus. The decision of the apex court is binding on this court,” the court ruled as it dismissed a lawsuit challenging the validity of predictions issued by local astrologers.
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wrenchwench Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:10:44pm |
re: #97 Summer
I did see several signs with misspelled words. The one that sticks out at the moment was “By By Mubarak”. But yes, overall, they did appear to have better written English skills than the Tea Party.
Maybe it’s because some of them are quite net-savvy and aren’t “Morans”.
There was a tweet in Arabic that I “googletranslate”ed that said something to the effect of “users of camels and donkeys are up against users of twitter and the internet.”
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ProBosniaLiberal Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:11:33pm |
re: #92 ralphieboy
All it shows is that the majority of Egyptians are more intelligent than those insignificant dullards.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:12:23pm |
re: #97 Summer
I did see several signs with misspelled words. The one that sticks out at the moment was “By By Mubarak”. But yes, overall, they did appear to have better written English skills than the Tea Party.
Maybe it’s because some of them are quite net-savvy and aren’t “Morans”.
I think it speaks to the level of education and type of people who are protesting. Learning English in many other countries is what people do. Some of the twitter accounts I’ve be following easily switch back and forth between Arabic and English. The English sounds exactly like any English as a first language twitter would too. The people that are using the net at least appear to have a fairly high level of education as well.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:14:42pm |
re: #91 ralphieboy
Commercial news networks are in business to sell advertising. Their customers are the people who would like to get our attention to tell us why we should buy their products.
The news and other programming is to get our attention so that the advertisers have people to address.
ergo, whatever gets our attention will be put on the screen.
That’s exactly the point. We, the viewers, are the product, and advertisers are the customers. The more people understand this, the better off we all are.
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BishopX Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:15:05pm |
re: #98 Decatur Deb
I’m not sure this is true….I’ve been seeing a lot of people mention the presence of the poor on the anti-side. The reason you see more poor young men on the “pro” side is that many companies required workers to demonstrate, and that some of the protesters were paid to attend.
Also, it’s a lot easier for a white collar professional to camp out for a week in the square….a shop keeper can’t, and with 25% unemployment most working class people whose places of work are open are going to be there.
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mr.fusion Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:15:46pm |
re: #96 HoosierHoops
Well Jay Leno said last night that half the signs were written in English so half of America could understand them..
The other half of the signs were written in spanish so the rest of America could read them..
/Not my joke!
There is only one single solitary requirement to being a Republican (I’m not willing to concede the “conservative” label to them yet) nowadays and that’s to hate Obama with every fiber of your being. It’s abundantly clear that they have no interest in the debt, deficit, spreading democracy, etc…..it’s all a front for hating Obama.
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mr.fusion Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:17:06pm |
re: #95 freetoken
Speaking of Townhall, they still run Pat Buchanan’s articles, and I just checked the comments on his latest column there (about Egypt and the US “abandoning” Mubarak) and as expected the majority of comments are just Obama-hate-fests.
The far right really has distilled itself down to a thick, gooey mire of hate.
Meant to quote this one in 105…..oh well
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:18:22pm |
re: #105 mr.fusion
There is only one single solitary requirement to being a Republican (I’m not willing to concede the “conservative” label to them yet) nowadays and that’s to hate Obama with every fiber of your being. It’s abundantly clear that they have no interest in the debt, deficit, spreading democracy, etc…it’s all a front for hating Obama.
Moderate conservatives do have representation in this country. There is in fact a center-right party, known as the DNC.
The GOP isn’t conservative. It’s just batshit insane.
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BishopX Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:18:42pm |
The EU parliament just got robbed at gunpoint for the second time in a twelve month period.
The BBC is saying that were no signs of forced entry.
Two men, one of them armed, held up the post office in the parliament building on Friday, and reportedly got away with at least 8,000 euros (£6,750).
Police have started an investigation into what is said to be the third major breach of security in two years.
The raid happened as European leaders met for an energy summit at a Council building, just hundreds of metres away from parliament.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:21:16pm |
The other thing is that people that learn another language whether English or something else tend to be very detailed in learning it. You have too. So you really focus on grammar and spelling. That’s why one of my best English study partner in Uni was a woman from Japan. She knew the rules of proper grammar like the back of her hand because of all the time an effort she had put in over the years. It was embarrassing at times. :)
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:23:28pm |
re: #104 BishopX
I’m not sure this is true…I’ve been seeing a lot of people mention the presence of the poor on the anti-side. The reason you see more poor young men on the “pro” side is that many companies required workers to demonstrate, and that some of the protesters were paid to attend.
Also, it’s a lot easier for a white collar professional to camp out for a week in the square…a shop keeper can’t, and with 25% unemployment most working class people whose places of work are open are going to be there.
Just guessing, of course, based on the deep tradition of hiring rent-a-mobs from disengaged down ‘n outers from the bottom of the economy.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:30:02pm |
re: #105 mr.fusion
There is only one single solitary requirement to being a Republican (I’m not willing to concede the “conservative” label to them yet) nowadays and that’s to hate Obama with every fiber of your being. It’s abundantly clear that they have no interest in the debt, deficit, spreading democracy, etc…it’s all a front for hating Obama.
what makes him different from other presidents…thinking…
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mr.fusion Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:31:05pm |
re: #108 BishopX
The EU parliament just got robbed at gunpoint for the second time in a twelve month period.
The BBC is saying that were no signs of forced entry.
Personally, I am still very hesitant to label myself as a “Democrat,” “Liberal,” or “Progressive,” ….. which, when I think about it is ridiculous because I’ve worked pretty hard the past 3 years to get Democrats (Obama & Alex Sink here in Florida) elected.
It’s just that there is NO alternative to the Democrats. They’re not above reproach or anything……but the Republican Party is no alternative for someone looking for honest intellectual debate.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:31:33pm |
re: #92 ralphieboy
They are picking up on a Rush Limbaugh talking point.
And it is true: if Tea partiers cannot spell correctly, then where did Egyptians learn to do so?
Their mummies taught them, of course! :p
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lostlakehiker Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:32:24pm |
re: #14 BigPapa
I am a member of ClimatePrediction.net, which uses my computer to run climate models when I’m not using it. It takes about 80 hours per simulation/year, then my computer will send the data back for a new test. They test modeling programs by running the models on previous years of weather since we know the outcome.
This uses the BOINC program. For any of you that leave your computer on most of the time and got the itch to ‘do something’ this is a no-brainer.
Oh, and Peter Sinclair is cranking out really good videos, biting, concise, yet with a little nuance of dry wit and warranted scorn eliciting the occasional smirk.
It’s clear that once the climate zombies come out of their stupor the fuel industries will make the tobacco industries look like pikers. There will be hell to pay dwarfing the blowback on Big Tobacco for their 30 years of BS and obfuscation.
We’re the ones electing the guys who aren’t in any rush to develop alternative energy. And even the greenest of electable politicians isn’t going to outlaw coal-fired generators this year or next. Fact is, we have to have it. Our civilization runs on electricity and until the nuclear reactors, wind towers, solar installations etc. are in place, we’re stuck burning coal. Or if not coal, then frakked natural gas. Oh joy.
Those who mine it and those who burn it to make electricity would be begged to carry on, if they had a change of heart and decided to quit en masse and let us see how we liked going without.
Cold turkey is not a serious option when it comes to AGW. This thing has to be tackled carefully, soberly, and with an eye that looks decades down the road.
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:34:18pm |
re: #113 mr.fusion
I really dont understand why there isn’t a bigger push in America to dismantle the two party system.
Not to mention that the electoral college plus “first past the post” voting system collectively makes for one of the weaker variations in democracy.
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