Michael Steele: ‘Nothing Wrong with a Government Shutdown’

Looks like the GOP is really going to do it
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When even relatively moderate Republicans like Michael Steele are talking like this, it seems clear that the GOP really is planning to throw a giant tantrum and shut down the government.

With Washington consumed by a fight over spending, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee said today that his party shouldn’t be afraid of a government shutdown, arguing that such a stand-off would send a powerful signal to the public about the GOP’s commitment to cutting the budget.

“I personally think there’s nothing wrong with a government shutdown,” Michael Steele told us on ABC’s “Top Line” today.

“I’ve been an advocate for it over six, seven months now for the simple reason it is the shocker. It is the reality check that the spenders need to have, that those who are trying to chart a different course need to have, whether they are Republicans or Democrats in the Congress.”

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247 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:08:27pm

They ain't shutting a damn thing down.

2 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:11:11pm

After reading this strategy piece in the Moderate Voice, it would seem better if they did. A lot of people would be hurt, but it's better than trying to jump through a constantly-moving Overton window:

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

3 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:12:13pm

[Link: www.cbpp.org...]

Look at the graph on that page, and look at what factors account for how much of the deficit. Responsible governance demands that we re-evaluate the wisdom of the Bush (now Obama) tax cuts. We couldn't afford it then, and we can't now.

4 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:15:35pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

After reading this strategy piece in the Moderate Voice, it would seem better if they did. A lot of people would be hurt, but it's better than trying to jump through a constantly-moving Overton window:

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

Agree. The Dems should pick out some of the more outrageous cuts (like Planned Parenthood), highlight them and simply say that the House budget is a dead letter and they should start over.

5 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:16:00pm
“I’ve been an advocate for it over six, seven months now for the simple reason it is the shocker."

How much shock value is left after six or seven months of advocating for it?

6 Lidane  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:18:05pm

Someone should really remind these idiots what happened the last time they shut the government down.

7 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:26:14pm

I think Barret Brown is over at the stalker blog taking credit for sabotaging LGF.

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:28:04pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I think Barret Brown is over at the stalker blog taking credit for sabotaging LGF.

Was he? Or is this like the "witches" who took credit for Daniel Radcliff's voice changing at the end of film 1, causing them to have to re-dub all of his parts.

9 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:29:13pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I think Barret Brown is over at the stalker blog taking credit for sabotaging LGF.

Are clown socks just as big and floppy as clown shoes?

10 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:33:48pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I think Barret Brown is over at the stalker blog taking credit for sabotaging LGF.

Shouldn't he be out scrambling Muammar's porn or something?

11 theheat  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:40:51pm

Not surprising is for a guy who's shown he all the balls of a field mouse, he's going to jump on board with shutting down the government. Of all the shit he's let fly freely, this is going to be where he shows some enthusiasm, because it's easier to go the flow of the party. Per usual, he's powerless. Easily influenced. Flaccid.

Which is also a pretty good indication of what the entire party has devolved to. The last moderate conservative with any clout was last seen riding a unicorn in search of Bigfoot.

12 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:41:34pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I think Barret Brown is over at the stalker blog taking credit for sabotaging LGF.

Ack! I was going to make a pithy comment about Steele, but saw this instead. Now I can make a pithy comment about The Lowlife Swamp Dwellers who have nothing else to do with their lives. Ok, that will do for now!

Was LGF sabotaged? I've haven't been on as regularly as usual.

13 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:43:33pm

I guess pandering to your base matters more than actually getting shit done eh Mike.

14 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:44:08pm

re: #11 theheat

Not surprising is for a guy who's shown he all the balls of a field mouse, he's going to jump on board with shutting down the government. Of all the shit he's let fly freely, this is going to be where he shows some enthusiasm, because it's easier to go the flow of the party. Per usual, he's powerless. Easily influenced. Flaccid.

Which is also a pretty good indication of what the entire party has devolved to. The last moderate conservative with any clout was last seen riding a unicorn in search of Bigfoot.

Part of me actually wishes it would happen. When the Republicans who collect disability and welfare checks stop getting them, we'll see how well they'll think of their newly elected representatives.

Not that Steele has to worry about that. And they call us elitists.

15 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:47:01pm

re: #14 marjoriemoon

Part of me actually wishes it would happen. When the Republicans who collect disability and welfare checks stop getting them, we'll see how well they'll think of their newly elected representatives.

Not that Steele has to worry about that. And they call us elitists.

Actually, they'll still get their checks. What won't happen is that new applications for things like Medicare of SS won't get processed. But the highly automated processes of sending out checks to already-enrolled recipients will probably proceed apace.

16 theheat  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:48:59pm
When the Republicans who collect disability and welfare checks stop getting them

I wonder how many of those there are, and how many admit to it in the face of their rah-rah anti-govenment bullshit.

They'll still blame Obama. If he hadn't been a spendy liberal, the GOP wouldn't have to shut down the government.

If every member of the GOP was caught with a dead whore sexual capitalist in their trunk, they'd still deny everything and act like the pillars of virtue and light.

17 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:50:22pm

re: #15 garhighway

Actually, they'll still get their checks. What won't happen is that new applications for things like Medicare of SS won't get processed. But the highly automated processes of sending out checks to already-enrolled recipients will probably proceed apace.

So it will only effect newer type things? I was actually wondering what is involved in a government shutdown, other than Congress gets extra, EXTRA, time off. Will teachers get paid? Police, fire? Or local isn't effected?

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:51:04pm

re: #8 EmmmieG

Was he? Or is this like the "witches" who took credit for Daniel Radcliff's voice changing at the end of film 1, causing them to have to re-dub all of his parts.

Witches have seriously lost their standards. A couple generations ago, witches were claiming credit for Hitler's not invading England. Now, it's teen film idol's voice breaks?

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:52:21pm

re: #11 theheat

Not surprising is for a guy who's shown he all the balls of a field mouse, he's going to jump on board with shutting down the government. Of all the shit he's let fly freely, this is going to be where he shows some enthusiasm, because it's easier to go the flow of the party. Per usual, he's powerless. Easily influenced. Flaccid.

Which is also a pretty good indication of what the entire party has devolved to. The last moderate conservative with any clout was last seen riding a unicorn in search of Bigfoot.

Rodents have pretty big balls for their size.

20 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:53:09pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

lol they let him post there?

21 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:53:19pm

If BB did this sabotage (if that's what it was), it was a pretty lame sabotage.

More like egging the front door.

Pathetic.

22 theheat  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:53:56pm

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist

Rodents have pretty big balls for their size.

Okay, so he has the balls of a barn owl.

23 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:54:10pm

re: #16 theheat

I wonder how many of those there are, and how many admit to it in the face of their rah-rah anti-govenment bullshit.

They'll still blame Obama. If he hadn't been a spendy liberal, the GOP wouldn't have to shut down the government.

If every member of the GOP was caught with a dead whore sexual capitalist in their trunk, they'd still deny everything and act like the pillars of virtue and light.

hehe Of course Republicans collect welfare. Far more than any of us would guess. It's like when the teabaggers yelled about government healthcare, yet simultaneously said "keep your hands off my Medicare."

24 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:55:01pm

re: #20 SpaceJesus

lol they let him post there?

They have a love hate thing with him.

25 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:56:55pm

re: #17 marjoriemoon

So it will only effect newer type things? I was actually wondering what is involved in a government shutdown, other than Congress gets extra, EXTRA, time off. Will teachers get paid? Police, fire? Or local isn't effected?

Local effects are mostly not instantaneous. They cascade when anything that requires unappropriated Fed cash, response or coordination is involved.

26 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:57:52pm

re: #22 theheat

Okay, so he has the balls of a barn owl.

Except that the barn owl eats those rodents.

Just being scientifically correct.

27 theheat  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:59:30pm

re: #26 EmmmieG

But physically correct, barn owls don't have readily discernible testes.

28 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:59:32pm

TheHeat, you're not going to catch a break today :p

29 theheat  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:15:32pm

re: #28 marjoriemoonShhh - I'm looking up my rooster's "skirt." Just in case.

TheHeat, you're not going to catch a break today :p

30 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:32:58pm

Did the server just get rebooted?

31 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:35:36pm

Maybe Charles tripped over the power cord?

32 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:35:56pm

re: #30 Alouette

Did the server just get rebooted?

I was just able to get back in after 15 mins or so.

33 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:36:59pm

Having some server issues - I'm in touch with Hosting Matters and the NOC, and we're working on it. Hopefully will be resolved soon.

34 albusteve  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:38:06pm

"what a mess"
D Nukem

I don't think a shutdown is that earth shattering, it's far more political than actual

35 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:41:59pm

re: #34 albusteve

"what a mess"
D Nukem

I don't think a shutdown is that earth shattering, it's far more political than actual

Worked through 5-6 of them, it equaled little more than a couple days off and a real slow-down in planning.

36 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:45:31pm

re: #34 albusteve

I don't think a shutdown is that earth shattering, it's far more political than actual

The alleged sabotage of the LGF server - or the government?


;-)

37 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:48:17pm

KT - BB is asking for your real name and clearly implying he had something to do with the LGF slowdown. Watch yourself.

38 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:48:19pm

re: #17 marjoriemoon

So it will only effect newer type things? I was actually wondering what is involved in a government shutdown, other than Congress gets extra, EXTRA, time off. Will teachers get paid? Police, fire? Or local isn't effected?

Local stuff wouldn't be affected for a long time.

Parks close right away, and a lot of various sorts of applications will lay around unattended (federal benefits, patents, copyrights, and the like). I would imagine that the various federal inspections (OSHA, MSHA, etc..) would cease. Routine data collection would go unattended (CDC, BLS, etc...). I would guess that things like Pell Grants would get screwed up.

The Armed Services would be unaffected, as would (I think) the FBI, Secret Service, and the law enforcement part of ATF (but not the permitting part).

If anyone has greater detail, please chime in.

39 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:49:37pm

The Oatmeal is at it again:

How to Name an Abortion Clinic

40 Kragar  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:51:13pm

What would a Politician know about a reality check?

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:51:49pm

re: #34 albusteve

"what a mess"
D Nukem

I don't think a shutdown is that earth shattering, it's far more political than actual

It is, but if it lasts any length of time t'll probably piss off people on social security who are suddenly not getting their checks

42 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:52:43pm

An antisemite wanders into DKos, has his gamey buttocks handed to him on a platter.

43 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:53:03pm

so lgf wasn't down due to some kind of attack?

44 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:53:18pm

re: #37 BigPapa

KT - BB is asking for your real name and clearly implying he had something to do with the LGF slowdown. Watch yourself.

Meh. Chen Zen has been threatening to out me for years. He got my info after I commented on his blog back when he was a friend. I'm sure the stalkers will give him the info but I doubt there's any serious danger. It's not likely that a bunch of anarchists will show up here kill me, rape my cats and pick my collard greens.

45 researchok  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:53:32pm

re: #37 BigPapa

KT - BB is asking for your real name and clearly implying he had something to do with the LGF slowdown. Watch yourself.

Obsessive.

Terrific.
/

46 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:53:46pm

re: #41 windupbird

It is, but if it lasts any length of time t'll probably piss off people on social security who are suddenly not getting their checks

And federal employees who will stop getting paid, stop spending money and deflate the economy..............

47 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:54:13pm

re: #42 Sergey Romanov

An antisemite wanders into DKos, has his gamey buttocks handed to him on a platter.

But but but but but but I was told by very serious conservatives here that DKos themselves despise and loathe Jews and an account at Dkos is a sure sign of anti-semitism

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:54:39pm

re: #37 BigPapa

KT - BB is asking for your real name and clearly implying he had something to do with the LGF slowdown. Watch yourself.

INTERNET

49 researchok  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:54:44pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Meh. Chen Zen has been threatening to out me for years. He got my info after I commented on his blog back when he was a friend. I'm sure the stalkers will give him the info but I doubt there's any serious danger. It's not likely that a bunch of anarchists will show up here kill me, rape my cats and pick my collard greens.

Keep the cats indoors. Just to be safe.

50 Kragar  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:55:41pm

re: #43 SpaceJesus

so lgf wasn't down due to some kind of attack?

There is a disturbance in the phlogiston.

51 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:56:08pm

We're not seeing the kinds of requests we'd see if this were an attack. But we're still investigating.

52 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:56:48pm

re: #47 WindUpBird

But but but but but but I was told by very serious conservatives here that DKos themselves despise and loathe Jews and an account at Dkos is a sure sign of anti-semitism

BUCK LOL

53 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:57:36pm

re: #49 researchok

Keep the cats indoors. Just to be safe.

Ratfuckers I know (thanks, Rove!), but this is just gross.

/

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 1:57:42pm

re: #37 BigPapa

KT - BB is asking for your real name and clearly implying he had something to do with the LGF slowdown. Watch yourself.

There's a novel by Sharyn McCrumb in which an old man who sells stuff at Scottish festivals is running a scam in which he claims to be a representative of the Scottish Republican Army, a fictional terrorist group. He collects contributions to the cause from Scottish American 'patriots', and then claims responsibility for stuff like train derailments.

55 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:00:02pm

re: #52 Sergey Romanov

BUCK LOL

oh I wasn't even thinking of Buck! Him too!

56 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:03:44pm

Wow, it's hard to imagine a blog that obsesses over another blog.

Charles really touched some buttholes.

57 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:04:30pm

re: #55 WindUpBird

oh I wasn't even thinking of Buck! Him too!

NJDHockey fan was on that case too :P

58 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:04:53pm

re: #39 BigPapa

The Oatmeal is at it again:

How to Name an Abortion Clinic

Linky no good.

59 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:05:28pm

re: #42 Sergey Romanov

An antisemite wanders into DKos, has his gamey buttocks handed to him on a platter.

Wow, what a tool.

60 researchok  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:05:41pm

re: #56 BigPapa

Wow, it's hard to imagine a blog that obsesses over another blog.

Charles really touched some buttholes.

Hell of a thing when these guys make Ted Kaczynski's case.

61 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:06:14pm

re: #57 Sergey Romanov

NJDHockey fan was on that case too :P

That's who I was thinking of, because he just repeats it assuming that we'll just take his word for it

62 eastsider  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:06:29pm

The thing is, I don't think he's lying or politicizing. I think the default position for Repubs is that the government's net impact on American life ranges from ineffectual to negative, so that a shutdown is a good thing (subtraction of a negative).

63 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:08:11pm

OK, back to the Back to the Future: The Game, part 2, BBL. :P

64 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:08:53pm

How to name an abortion clinic.

65 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:10:05pm

re: #64 BigPapa

How to name an abortion clinic.

Too soon.

66 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:15:03pm

OT: Henry Waxman (who can be a pain in the ass, I readily admit) calls it right regarding the Congressional GOP and science:

[Link: green.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Sample quote:

“But I have never been in a Congress where there was such an overwhelming disconnect between science and policy,” he said. “The Republicans in Congress have become the party of science deniers, and that is profoundly dangerous.”

67 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:16:06pm

wow........things have just sped up on my end............ (i think)

68 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:17:06pm

re: #66 garhighway

(OK, still here): it is dangerous, and I wonder when will it come to HIV denial. I think it is only a matter of time. (Now BBL for realz.)

69 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:17:15pm

re: #66 garhighway

OT: Henry Waxman (who can be a pain in the ass, I readily admit) calls it right regarding the Congressional GOP and science:

[Link: green.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Sample quote:

“But I have never been in a Congress where there was such an overwhelming disconnect between science and policy,” he said. “The Republicans in Congress have become the party of science deniers, and that is profoundly dangerous.”

It really is a shame honestly. Since these scientific issues shouldn't be partisan ones. I admit that climate change isn't an issue I understand but the most pathetic thing I see is people try to discredit it simply because Al Gore is the face of the movement. Lame I say to that.

70 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:18:09pm

Sexy Grannies Wield Power Tools for a Cause.

71 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:18:59pm

re: #66 garhighway

OT: Henry Waxman (who can be a pain in the ass, I readily admit) calls it right regarding the Congressional GOP and science:

[Link: green.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Sample quote:

“But I have never been in a Congress where there was such an overwhelming disconnect between science and policy,” he said. “The Republicans in Congress have become the party of science deniers, and that is profoundly dangerous.”

Same way under Bush with stemcell. Articles of faith hinder their comprehension.

The bulk of these GOPers are operating from a view that God created the world in 7 days, the bible is literally true and it's all His doing. Man is not warming the planet and they didn't come from no monkey either.

72 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:21:53pm

And yes - i definitely think things have speeded up in the last few minutes (with LGF, not GOP de-evolution)

73 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:22:46pm

Anyone see the Oregon GOP straw poll?

Mitch Daniels won! because Oregon republicans don't cotton to gibberish spewing half-wits

Maybe he'll even have a chance, if he isn't primaried by whoever has the most fat creationist hausfraus waving chinese-made tiny American flags in their corner

74 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:23:20pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

It really is a shame honestly. Since these scientific issues shouldn't be partisan ones. I admit that climate change isn't an issue I understand but the most pathetic thing I see is people try to discredit it simply because Al Gore is the face of the movement. Lame I say to that.

I could understand a little better if we were talking about local politicians. Some State Rep can say whatever goofy stuff he wants about NASA and it wouldn't matter.

But this is the national GOP! These people are supposed to be grown-ups! They are supposed to have some sense of responsibility. That the leadership of an entire party would take one look at the electoral math and decide that it is better to deny scientific reality than to disappoint one or another set of backers is just amazingly bad!

I get playing to the crowd on abortion, and I can make the case that those arguments are principled disagreements. But this is different, and not in a good way.

75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:24:38pm

re: #71 wozzablog

Same way under Bush with stemcell. Articles of faith hinder their comprehension.

The bulk of these GOPers are operating from a view that God created the world in 7 days, the bible is literally true and it's all His doing. Man is not warming the planet and they didn't come from no monkey either.

well, some are just pandering. I would say most actual GOP politicians aren't really buying the creationist thing at all, some just have to claim they do because the dullards demand it, because they're in districts or states where it's advantageous to pretend you believe in bizarro mysticism

Theater!

76 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:25:19pm

One would think that a biblical literalist and there many in the GOP would see it as our responsibility to tend to the earth that God created. At least, that's how I'd think if I were a creationist. Heck I think that way as an evolutionist too. This is the only planet we've got. Gotta make it best for future generations. The way to do that is not to whine about Al Gore and ebil environmentalists when the real issue of climate change is brought up.

77 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:26:20pm

Hey freetaxkiller, and all you other DoDo heads, this is for you.

I'm dying to know BB, will you outright make a claim that you did something or not or will you play along with the minions thinking that you did something?

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:26:34pm

re: #74 garhighway

the problem with principled disagreements on abortion is they start out sounding principled, and through the filter of the current Republican party, end up sounding like psychotic misogynism that wouldn't be out of place in the FLDS

79 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:28:44pm

re: #74 garhighway

I could understand a little better if we were talking about local politicians. Some State Rep can say whatever goofy stuff he wants about NASA and it wouldn't matter.

But this is the national GOP! These people are supposed to be grown-ups! They are supposed to have some sense of responsibility. That the leadership of an entire party would take one look at the electoral math and decide that it is better to deny scientific reality than to disappoint one or another set of backers is just amazingly bad!

I get playing to the crowd on abortion, and I can make the case that those arguments are principled disagreements. But this is different, and not in a good way.

It really is sad honestly since they seem to not just want to ignore the scientists but hold them and their opinions in contempt.

80 albusteve  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:29:13pm

re: #77 BigPapa

Hey freetaxkiller, and all you other DoDo heads, this is for you.

I'm dying to know BB, will you outright make a claim that you did something or not or will you play along with the minions thinking that you did something?

heh, looks like they landed another one

82 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:32:20pm

re: #78 WindUpBird

the problem with principled disagreements on abortion is they start out sounding principled, and through the filter of the current Republican party, end up sounding like psychotic misogynism that wouldn't be out of place in the FLDS

Well the other thing about many of those same abortion opponents if if you start suggesting and I have that we help young, unwed mothers out I get some crap response like "Welfare!!!!!!!!!" on that." Now, there are some churches I admit that recognize this but the political pro life movement is quiet about this and seems to care more about shaming women which is why I despite my personal pro life leanings cannot stand them. And then there's of course the staunch pro lifers that are some of the most pro death penalty and pipe for war people you'll ever meet.

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:33:52pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Well the other thing about many of those same abortion opponents if if you start suggesting and I have that we help young, unwed mothers out I get some crap response like "Welfare!!!" on that." Now, there are some churches I admit that recognize this but the political pro life movement is quiet about this and seems to care more about shaming women which is why I despite my personal pro life leanings cannot stand them. And then there's of course the staunch pro lifers that are some of the most pro death penalty and pipe for war people you'll ever meet.

the political pro-life movement is infected with crazies, not reasonable, not rational

84 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:36:23pm

re: #83 WindUpBird

the political pro-life movement is infected with crazies, not reasonable, not rational

Yeah, I cannot stand them. They're the kind of people who do not hesitate at all to harass women who get abortions and I have to say even when I was at my most pro life, I would have never even thought of doing something that cruel.

85 albusteve  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:37:57pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Why You Should Never Defend, Explain or Justify

I do not dexify, but that's easy when you live the life of a hermit

86 albusteve  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:40:19pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I cannot stand them. They're the kind of people who do not hesitate at all to harass women who get abortions and I have to say even when I was at my most pro life, I would have never even thought of doing something that cruel.

whatever it is that they are doing, it doesn't seem to bee working too well...

Planned Parenthood Reports Abortion Rate Up By More Than 8,000 in One Year

[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

87 lostlakehiker  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:40:52pm

re: #14 marjoriemoon

Part of me actually wishes it would happen. When the Republicans who collect disability and welfare checks stop getting them, we'll see how well they'll think of their newly elected representatives.

Not that Steele has to worry about that. And they call us elitists.

A government "shutdown" doesn't mean that those checks stop coming. That's not what happened the last time around.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:42:23pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I cannot stand them. They're the kind of people who do not hesitate at all to harass women who get abortions and I have to say even when I was at my most pro life, I would have never even thought of doing something that cruel.

I went to a training on pro-Israel advocacy some weeks ago, and the man teaching it had some interesting things to say about reaching out to people whose minds you could change, rather than fighting endless duels with unreachable counter-activists.

I understand the desire to simply batter on the people who say things that upset you, to try to shame them, make them change their minds, make them look bad. But that's not useful, it's merely emotionally satisfying.

I think that in the abortion debate, we need to keep that in mind as well. It's more important to move toward goals than to maul one another.

The desire to maul, though, is very, very strong.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:42:46pm

re: #86 albusteve

whatever it is that they are doing, it doesn't seem to bee working too well...

Planned Parenthood Reports Abortion Rate Up By More Than 8,000 in One Year

[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

That's the economy.

90 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:43:23pm

re: #85 albusteve

I do not dexify, but that's easy when you live the life of a hermit

Agreed. I don't dexify either but it's easier for me. I thought it was an interesting article I don't think it's really practical philosophy for social situations or relationships. It wouldn't go over well in most work environments either. There are hardwired rituals that most people have to engage in whether they like it or not. Groveling to your boss, big dramatic fights and make ups with girlfriends. It's almost required human behavior.

91 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:45:31pm

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

I went to a training on pro-Israel advocacy some weeks ago, and the man teaching it had some interesting things to say about reaching out to people whose minds you could change, rather than fighting endless duels with unreachable counter-activists.

I understand the desire to simply batter on the people who say things that upset you, to try to shame them, make them change their minds, make them look bad. But that's not useful, it's merely emotionally satisfying.

I think that in the abortion debate, we need to keep that in mind as well. It's more important to move toward goals than to maul one another.

The desire to maul, though, is very, very strong.

In political debates, I always try to at least understand where people are coming from. Find it hard with some people since either their mindset seems so foreign to me or they're too busy putting me down for simply being a liberal.

92 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:48:42pm

Testing.

93 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:50:36pm

yeah, testing--I tried to log in and it told me "registration was temporarily closed"

I actually LOL.

Thanks for keep those hamsters running in top order!

94 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:51:10pm

I think we've finally unclogged the tubes.

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:51:15pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

In political debates, I always try to at least understand where people are coming from. Find it hard with some people since either their mindset seems so foreign to me or they're too busy putting me down for simply being a liberal.

The problem is, often people are coming from premises that are complete nonsense

if someone is operating from "facts" that don't exist, it's sorta hard to deal with them, it's pointless to talk to someone who's been brainwashed

96 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:51:35pm

re: #94 Charles

I think we've finally unclogged the tubes.

Hooray!

97 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:51:37pm

Speaking of the economy, I posted a page!

Obama Administration Announces Start of Student Exam Window for 2011 National Financial Capability Challenge

It sounds like a very cool idea. Hope it helps.

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:52:40pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

In political debates, I always try to at least understand where people are coming from. Find it hard with some people since either their mindset seems so foreign to me or they're too busy putting me down for simply being a liberal.

I find it pretty easy to understand where the average NW republican is coming from. Nationally, it's just a toilet of mumbo-jumbo extremism

99 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:54:15pm

re: #94 Charles

Hey, Charles! Would it be possible to run one of those polls, asking people to predict who they think will get the GOP nomination? I know it is way early, but that is when it's harder (and therefore more fun). You could give us the usual 6 - 8 names we've all heard, plus a "someone else" choice.

It would be fun. Especially if you ran it at intervals through the nomination season to see how the numbers change.

100 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:54:39pm

taking pride in a humble job...
The fish butcher

101 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:56:35pm

re: #98 WindUpBird

I find it pretty easy to understand where the average NW republican is coming from. Nationally, it's just a toilet of mumbo-jumbo extremism

When my Dad was in rehab for his stroke, he was placed at the dinner-time table with his polar opposite. My Dad was white, management, and an automotive engineer (in Detroit during the 70's). His meal partner was black, union retiree of the same age range (80's or so)

They ended-up just not speaking.

Some things just won't be worked-out in the time given.

102 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:58:01pm

re: #94 Charles

I think we've finally unclogged the tubes.

Got this guy straightened out?

Image: wrong-mike.jpg

103 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 2:58:56pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

taking pride in a humble job...
The fish butcher

Justo was featured on one of the Top Chef episodes.

(I heart Eric Ripert too)

104 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:00:06pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

That's the economy.

EXACTLY!

I'm sure it's really that they've better targeted minority women.

/gah!

105 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:01:05pm

Finally back from class today, I see this on the Al-Jazeera Live Blog.

10:08pm Reuters reports: Gulf states called for a no-fly zone to be imposed in Libya, and for an urgent Arab
League meeting to discuss the situation in the North African country, according to a statement released by their foreign ministers.

This makes me happy. I do wonder what the air capability of the Gulf States is though. I haven't seen anything on Saudi Arabia going along with US government requests to give missiles to the Rebels.

106 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:01:56pm

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

I went to a training on pro-Israel advocacy some weeks ago, and the man teaching it had some interesting things to say about reaching out to people whose minds you could change, rather than fighting endless duels with unreachable counter-activists.

I understand the desire to simply batter on the people who say things that upset you, to try to shame them, make them change their minds, make them look bad. But that's not useful, it's merely emotionally satisfying.

I think that in the abortion debate, we need to keep that in mind as well. It's more important to move toward goals than to maul one another.

The desire to maul, though, is very, very strong.

I just ask them how many children they've adopted or took into foster care.

107 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:03:17pm

A bit of weird and somewhat disturbing news:

Justice Thomas's old girlfriend has written a book, and from the sound of it, she confirms much of what Anita Hill had to say.

The girlfriend is Lillian McEwen, who has had a pretty decent career as a DC-based lawyer, and is now retired.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I wonder what would have happened had she been called to testify way back when.

108 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:03:26pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea

Justo was featured on one of the Top Chef episodes.

(I heart Eric Ripert too)

I've watched a little bit of top chef but I'm not a huge fan. Hulu only carries occasional episodes so I find it hard to get too invested because I can only see a few random episodes instead of the whole season.

109 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:04:27pm

Welp, I didn't change anything in the software, so it looks like a connection problem as I suspected, that got straightened out by whoever was responsible. There's no evidence of an attack at all.

110 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:04:29pm

re: #99 garhighway

I think I'd vote none of the above (commonly discussed) candidates.

111 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:05:57pm

re: #110 Rightwingconspirator

I think I'd vote none of the above (commonly discussed) candidates.

It would be about prediction, not endorsement. But with the current field, picking "some guy no one has mentioned" might not be a bad choice.

112 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:06:04pm

Things do seem to be working much better. On my end, I ran a full-scan (3 hours, 9 minutes), took a nap and everything is also working much better.

113 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:06:41pm

re: #111 garhighway

It would be about prediction, not endorsement. But with the current field, picking "some guy no one has mentioned" might not be a bad choice.

That might be bad too. Sarah Palin wasn't mentioned until the very end last time.

114 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:06:56pm

re: #99 garhighway

Hey, Charles! Would it be possible to run one of those polls, asking people to predict who they think will get the GOP nomination? I know it is way early, but that is when it's harder (and therefore more fun). You could give us the usual 6 - 8 names we've all heard, plus a "someone else" choice.

It would be fun. Especially if you ran it at intervals through the nomination season to see how the numbers change.

Why, so we that we can watch the Paulians sign up just so they can spam the poll?

115 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:07:17pm

Smiley Poodle To Run On 70% Less Stupid And Crazy, But Just As Much Lying

"He created a deeper recession, and delayed the recovery," Romney said Saturday, previewing his campaign message before Republicans in this influential early nominating state.

"It's going to take more than new rhetoric to put Americans back to work — it's going to take a new president"

116 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:07:58pm

re: #115 engineer dog

Smiley Poodle To Run On 70% Less Stupid And Crazy, But Just As Much Lying

"He created a deeper recession, and delayed the recovery," Romney said Saturday, previewing his campaign message before Republicans in this influential early nominating state.

"It's going to take more than new rhetoric to put Americans back to work — it's going to take a new president"

I don't know what to say to that. I'll just shake my head.

117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:08:29pm

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

I went to a training on pro-Israel advocacy some weeks ago, and the man teaching it had some interesting things to say about reaching out to people whose minds you could change, rather than fighting endless duels with unreachable counter-activists.

I understand the desire to simply batter on the people who say things that upset you, to try to shame them, make them change their minds, make them look bad. But that's not useful, it's merely emotionally satisfying.

I think that in the abortion debate, we need to keep that in mind as well. It's more important to move toward goals than to maul one another.

The desire to maul, though, is very, very strong.

The pro-life stance has become a tribalist stance, like being part of the NRA, it's become a cultural identifier

The pro-choice stance is far less of a cultural identifier, because it also encompasses the majority of americans who have no opinion except that they would rather have more freedom than less freedom

I honestly don't think there's anything America can do with states that are de-facto outlawing abortion and intimidating women into silence, I think we're going to see a far more balkanized USA in the coming decades in that regard. There are just going to be some states where women aren't as equal

118 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:09:01pm

re: #114 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Why, so we that we can watch the Paulians sign up just so they can spam the poll?

Well, yeah, that would be a downside.

119 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:09:24pm

re: #111 garhighway

No, no I mean none of the above will get the nomination. Anyone I would endorse will face some serious scrutiny, and the primaries will do much of that "discovery" for me.

120 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:09:33pm

re: #115 engineer dog

Smiley Poodle To Run On 70% Less Stupid And Crazy, But Just As Much Lying

"He created a deeper recession, and delayed the recovery," Romney said Saturday, previewing his campaign message before Republicans in this influential early nominating state.

"It's going to take more than new rhetoric to put Americans back to work — it's going to take a new president"

What was that that just went by? Oh, that's Mitt Romney, making a dash for the over the far-right cliff in preparation for his nomination run.

/

121 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:09:48pm

re: #117 WindUpBird

The pro-life stance has become a tribalist stance, like being part of the NRA, it's become a cultural identifier

The pro-choice stance is far less of a cultural identifier, because it also encompasses the majority of americans who have no opinion except that they would rather have more freedom than less freedom

I honestly don't think there's anything America can do with states that are de-facto outlawing abortion and intimidating women into silence, I think we're going to see a far more balkanized USA in the coming decades in that regard. There are just going to be some states where women aren't as equal

In some areas, we may see it by county.

122 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:10:09pm

re: #120 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What was that that just went by? Oh, that's Mitt Romney, making a dash for the over the far-right cliff in preparation for his nomination run.

/

doesn't matter, he's doomed

123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:11:40pm

re: #116 ggt

I don't know what to say to that. I'll just shake my head.

it's gonna take a rich white guy like all the other rich white guys to put this country back on track!

Pay no attention to the rich white guys that ruined our economy!

124 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:11:55pm

re: #122 WindUpBird

doesn't matter, he's doomed

Yeah, pretty much. Only way anybody's winning the nomination this year is if they can out crazy the other crazies, but doing so is pretty much going to make them unelectable.

125 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:12:49pm

re: #118 garhighway

Well, yeah, that would be a downside.

I really have no idea so far. The ones that are sort of grown-ups (Daniels?) look to be too obscure to pull it off. Maybe if 3 or 4 of the crazies split the tea party vote Mitch or someone like him might sneak by, but that seems unlikely to me.

But the names we all know now are kind of crazy, except Romney, who will change identities another 3 or 4 times between now and Iowa.

All of that uncertainty makes the idea of a poll more fun.

126 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:13:24pm

re: #123 WindUpBird

Romney's great to make fun of because I don't really dislike him, but he has this candidate by numbers plastic slickster thing going so well that it's almost like he's a very good actor playing a guy who is himself self-consciously doing a slick candidate act

127 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:14:23pm

re: #125 garhighway

I really have no idea so far. The ones that are sort of grown-ups (Daniels?) look to be too obscure to pull it off. Maybe if 3 or 4 of the crazies split the tea party vote Mitch or someone like him might sneak by, but that seems unlikely to me.

But the names we all know now are kind of crazy, except Romney, who will change identities another 3 or 4 times between now and Iowa.

All of that uncertainty makes the idea of a poll more fun.

Barbour in '12!

128 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:14:39pm

Take ACTION Now for Planned Parenthood. Your text to link...

129 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:15:17pm

re: #128 ggt

Take ACTION Now for Planned Parenthood. Your text to link...

ooh, hope that works.

130 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:15:32pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Why You Should Never Defend, Explain or Justify

He's right.

In my experience, going into a defensive crouch always puts one at a disadvantage, and some people are very skilled at getting their opponents to do exactly that. Introducing a straw man argument seems to be a favorite tactic to accomplish that.

Ditto for any explaining beyond stating facts that support your position.

Justifying? There's an old Sufi proverb that says, "Self justification is worse than the original offense." You end up sounding like a whiner that needs to be in denial to protect your glass ego. Better to just concede defeat early, walk away with your dignity in tact, and be more well prepared next time.

131 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:15:33pm

re: #109 Charles

Running well here, far better than earlier. Sorry if this data is redundant to your info but I ran this test yesterday at home (89 second loading time as a subscriber) and just now at work 3.5 second loading time, .05 seconds per kilobyte.
iwebtool dot com

132 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:16:10pm

re: #123 WindUpBird

it's gonna take a rich white guy like all the other rich white guys to put this country back on track!

Pay no attention to the rich white guys that ruined our economy!

totally. we should give a poor Inuit a shot.

(sorry, couldn't resist)

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:17:09pm

re: #132 Aceofwhat?

totally. we should give a poor Inuit a shot.

(sorry, couldn't resist)


who? :D Palin's husband?

134 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:17:20pm

re: #109 Charles

Back to normal here too. No more lagging at all.

135 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:17:53pm

re: #117 WindUpBird

I honestly don't think there's anything America can do with states that are de-facto outlawing abortion and intimidating women into silence, I think we're going to see a far more balkanized USA in the coming decades in that regard. There are just going to be some states where women aren't as equal


I'm hoping they can be taken to the Supreme Court and dealt a loss.

136 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:18:15pm

lol @ barrett brown's youtube video about the "attack" on lgf


everything about him just screams "I am a giant twat"

137 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:18:40pm

re: #133 WindUpBird

who? :D Palin's husband?

+1 for speed. i am riposted.

138 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:19:13pm

re: #136 SpaceJesus

lol @ barrett brown's youtube video about the "attack" on lgf

everything about him just screams "I am a giant twat"

What?

139 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:19:13pm

re: #126 WindUpBird

Romney's great to make fun of because I don't really dislike him, but he has this candidate by numbers plastic slickster thing going so well that it's almost like he's a very good actor playing a guy who is himself self-consciously doing a slick candidate act

He's his own bobblehead.

140 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:19:14pm

re: #114 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not if it were in a lounge, as in Lizards only to access the thread.

141 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:19:34pm

re: #136 SpaceJesus

lol @ barrett brown's youtube video about the "attack" on lgf


everything about him just screams "I am a giant twat"

Honestly, if I were an atheist, I would spread a rumor that he is secretly highly religious.

(You don't even need a religion. Just disassociating from him works.)

142 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:20:19pm

re: #138 Walter L. Newton


[Link: www.youtube.com...]


if i shouldnt be linking to his youtube, i apologize, but damn this guy is a tool worth laughing at

143 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:20:48pm

BTW, I think Dante had it wrong.

Hell is spending eternity on hold with your insurance company.

They have a slick website that was designed to tell me nothing at all about my coverage.

144 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:21:52pm

re: #143 EmmmieG

BTW, I think Dante had it wrong.

Hell is spending eternity on hold with your insurance company.

They have a slick website that was designed to tell me nothing at all about my coverage.

I thought Hell was removing old wallpaper.

Rachel Lucas (a blogger I used to read) had a great rant on it.

145 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:22:29pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

I'm hoping they can be taken to the Supreme Court and dealt a loss.

Oh, they'll lose, but it'll still be almost impossible to actually get an abortion, just because it's so inhospitable, and enough assassinations sorta tend to scare doctors away

The way you'd honestly have to do it is to mandate federal clinics in all 50 states, protected by armed guards, and of course that'll never happen, so states can just play hell with access. Domestic terrorism works!

146 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:22:39pm

re: #139 garhighway

He's his own bobblehead.

hahaha exactly

147 freetoken  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:23:03pm

We're just a couple of hours away from what is being billed as the first dog-and-pony show of the 2012 election:

Gingrich, Pawlenty, Santorum: It's Presidential Campaign Season in Iowa

Who needs declared candidates? The race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination unofficially launched at a Monday evening forum featuring five men with their eyes on the White House.

On the agenda for the event, sponsored by the Iowa Faith & Freedom Coalition: former House speaker Newt Gingrich, former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty, former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum, former Louisiana governor Buddy Roemer and radio personality Herman Cain.

[...]

As interesting as who showed up was who didn't. Faith & Family Coalition President Steve Scheffler said Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann and Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour wanted to come but had scheduling conflicts. Also not here: former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (who won Iowa in 2008) and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (who finished second in 2008).

[...]

See my post from this morning for links to the C-SPAN video and background:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

148 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:23:46pm

I'm either slipping into depression or I not a double
shot of SPRING!!! GAAAH!

149 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:24:33pm

re: #147 freetoken

What's Santorum's angle? he can't possibly win, maybe he's angling for the Symbolic Crazy VP slot that Huckabee wants

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:24:41pm

re: #104 ggt

EXACTLY!

I'm sure it's really that they've better targeted minority women.

/gah!

1933 people. Lowest point in the US birth rate, ever.

151 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:24:50pm

Looks like he's not allowed to smoke in the house anymore. Que pobrecito!

152 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:25:29pm

re: #145 WindUpBird

Oh, they'll lose, but it'll still be almost impossible to actually get an abortion, just because it's so inhospitable, and enough assassinations sorta tend to scare doctors away

The way you'd honestly have to do it is to mandate federal clinics in all 50 states, protected by armed guards, and of course that'll never happen, so states can just play hell with access. Domestic terrorism works!

Once women and teenage girls start dying again from botched back-alley abortions there will be a change.

Sad, but that is what will happen.

If you have the money, you can just go to Canada or travel to a state or city in which you can get an abortion.

There was an article, years ago, about young women from Ireland being stopped from going to England because they were afraid they were going there to get abortions. Abortions were illegal in Catholic Ireland.

Can you imagine having your travel restricted because of your age or gender, in America?

153 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:25:32pm

re: #142 SpaceJesus


if i shouldnt be linking to his youtube, i apologize, but damn this guy is a tool worth laughing at

He is such an asshole.

154 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:25:50pm

re: #151 wrenchwench


no mames guey!

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:26:22pm

re: #107 garhighway

A bit of weird and somewhat disturbing news:

Justice Thomas's old girlfriend has written a book, and from the sound of it, she confirms much of what Anita Hill had to say.

The girlfriend is Lillian McEwen, who has had a pretty decent career as a DC-based lawyer, and is now retired.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I wonder what would have happened had she been called to testify way back when.

I have to say, I think people knew Anita was telling the truth.

It didn't matter.

156 freetoken  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:26:30pm

re: #149 WindUpBird

What's Santorum's angle?

Never underestimate the power of vanity and hubris.

157 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:26:34pm

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

1933 people. Lowest point in the US birth rate, ever.

And it certainly didn't have anything to do with illegal abortions . . ..

Have to wonder how many women died and how many children were left motherless as a result.

158 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:26:56pm

Barrett, having seen you now, I just want to tell you something: They will like you in federal prison. They will like you a lot.

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:27:33pm

I wish we could just skip this election. I'm so tired of the dog and pony show.

160 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:28:33pm

re: #156 freetoken

Never underestimate the power of vanity and hubris.

He is pretty disconnected :D

161 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:29:12pm

My call is important to them. So very, very important to them. They are grateful I called. They are sacrificing baby weasels on an altar to thank the God of Insurance Companies that I called.

They can't be bothered to hire the correct number of people, though.

162 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:29:38pm

Cute, the paper terrorist is pulling the oldest blog-fu trick in the book: 'I'm out and proud, but KT is hiding behind anonymity.' He just wants to know who KT is cuz 'they have a difference of opinion.'

Looks like KT touched BB's butthole.

163 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:30:34pm

re: #162 BigPapa

Doesn't BB hang out with a group called 'anonymous'?

I mean, consistency, for fuck's sake.

164 albusteve  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:33:13pm

re: #159 ggt

I wish we could just skip this election. I'm so tired of the dog and pony show.

if one gorges themselves 18 hours a day with this stuff, I imagine it gets on their nerves...it is what you make it

165 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:34:00pm

re: #163 Obdicut

How can we be sure his name really is Barrett Brown? Hm....?

Oh FFS! (fer fooks sake)

166 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:34:49pm

DO NOT accidentally hit the "Open All Tabs" option on your Favorites Tool Bar.

Woooooweee.

167 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:34:58pm

re: #164 albusteve

if one gorges themselves 18 hours a day with this stuff, I imagine it gets on their nerves...it is what you make it

Exposure time isn't the issue.....
They need CUTE Dogs and Ponies...///

168 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:36:02pm

re: #166 ggt

DO NOT accidentally hit the "Open All Tabs" option on your Favorites Tool Bar.

Woooweee.

I do the next worse thing from time to time: Hit the "Refresh All Tabs" button when right-clicking one to refresh it alone.

169 albusteve  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:37:06pm

real news....Sheen has been canned
bwahahaha!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

170 Girth  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:38:26pm

re: #169 albusteve

real news...Sheen has been canned
bwahahaha!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Duh, winning.

171 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:38:56pm

A thirteen year old once showed me how to open all icons on my desktop simultaneously.

Yeah.

172 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:39:57pm

re: #170 Girth

Duh, winning.

We need to figure out how to have a national intervention.

He's only fooling one person. Even the "goddesses" know what's really going on.

173 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:40:50pm

The Naked Truth About The Chip Aisle

But the main challenge with chips - whichever ones you choose - is in stopping yourself from eating the whole bag.

"The first thing to do is try to have smaller portions," Tsang says. "We don't pay attention to what we're doing when we're eating chips and we easily overeat."

Tsang has a point. When was the last time you ate only 8 or 9 chips at a time, which equals the 1 ounce portion size clearly marked on the bag?
More: Your Health

174 Girth  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:41:43pm

re: #172 EmmmieG

We need to figure out how to have a national intervention.

He's only fooling one person. Even the "goddesses" know what's really going on.

I'm not saying the man doesn't have problems, but by now he's got to be screwing with people for personal amusement. Either that or he needs to be committed.

175 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:41:55pm

re: #157 ggt

And it certainly didn't have anything to do with illegal abortions . . ..

Have to wonder how many women died and how many children were left motherless as a result.

There's a dreadful scene in Carnivale, which is set between Texas and California in the mid-thirties, where the hero walks through a camp where a woman's baby has died, and she's in shock, and won't let them bury the child.

An awful time.

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:42:48pm

re: #161 EmmmieG

My call is important to them. So very, very important to them. They are grateful I called. They are sacrificing baby weasels on an altar to thank the God of Insurance Companies that I called.

They can't be bothered to hire the correct number of people, though.

If they hired more people, they would have to pay them money. Why should they do that, when you will stay on the line indefinitely, hoping to get through?

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:43:15pm

re: #163 Obdicut

Doesn't BB hang out with a group called 'anonymous'?

I mean, consistency, for fuck's sake.

"We know your name, and you don't know ours! Hee hee!"

178 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:44:13pm

re: #174 Girth

I'm not saying the man doesn't have problems, but by now he's got to be screwing with people for personal amusement. Either that or he needs to be committed.

The guy has problems. I think the reward system in his brain is totally tapped out and has to look for outside "stimuli" to feel even somewhat normal.

Seriously, seriously ill.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:44:34pm

re: #170 Girth

Duh, winning.

Also, one of the 'goddesses' moved out. The ex-porn star. I'm relieved. Her mother sounded so worried.

//When your girlfriend is a porn star, and her mother is worried because she's living with you, it's time to examine your life.

180 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:44:35pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Meh. Chen Zen has been threatening to out me for years. He got my info after I commented on his blog back when he was a friend. I'm sure the stalkers will give him the info but I doubt there's any serious danger. It's not likely that a bunch of anarchists will show up here kill me, rape my cats and pick my collard greens.

But they just might take your froggies!

Are we back up and running? Major probs earlier today, for me anyhow . . .

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:45:16pm

re: #172 EmmmieG

We need to figure out how to have a national intervention.

He's only fooling one person. Even the "goddesses" know what's really going on.

His kids are out of the house, and, frankly, the light bulb has to want to change.

I assume he goes from manic to depressive at some point. May be easier to talk to then.

182 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:45:45pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

If they hired more people, they would have to pay them money. Why should they do that, when you will stay on the line indefinitely, hoping to get through?

Their business model is working out perfectly.

183 albusteve  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:46:14pm

oh look!
it's Miller Time again

184 freetoken  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:46:24pm

Outlook dims for interplanetary trips

Just no money for interplanetary exploration.

Released today a survey of the astronomy community on priorities:
[Link: www.nap.edu...]

There's a live brief going on right now discussing this:
[Link: www.lpi.usra.edu...]

185 Linden Arden  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:46:37pm

Shutting down federal outlays = yelling to Treasury buyers "We can't pay interest anymore!!".

This is insane Teabaggery - even Boehner gets it. We CANNOT do it. Treasury markets would halt.

The insane idiocy mentality has infested the Tea Party more than ever.

186 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:47:15pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, one of the 'goddesses' moved out. The ex-porn star. I'm relieved. Her mother sounded so worried.

//When your girlfriend is a porn star, and her mother is worried because she's living with you, it's time to examine your life.

There are rules for working in porn! Charlie Sheen, not so much

187 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:47:39pm

re: #184 freetoken

Outlook dims for interplanetary trips

Just no money for interplanetary exploration.

Released today a survey of the astronomy community on priorities:
[Link: www.nap.edu...]

There's a live brief going on right now discussing this:
[Link: www.lpi.usra.edu...]

What, go back to the Moon? Frak that, we got CEOs down here who need new gold-plated yachts. Priorities, man, priorities!

///

188 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:47:52pm

re: #185 Linden Arden

Rise of the yokels!

189 albusteve  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:48:05pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

His kids are out of the house, and, frankly, the light bulb has to want to change.

I assume he goes from manic to depressive at some point. May be easier to talk to then.

Sheen needs to simply expire...he is of no use to anybody and a danger to himself and others...his Train of Pain is outta gas

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:48:08pm

re: #178 ggt

The guy has problems. I think the reward system in his brain is totally tapped out and has to look for outside "stimuli" to feel even somewhat normal.

Seriously, seriously ill.

1. Mentally ill.
2. Rich enough to afford really hard-core drugs for self-medication.
3. Rich enough to surround himself with people who will lie to him.

A different man would be living on the streets drinking MD 20/20 by now.

191 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:48:26pm

re: #185 Linden Arden

Shutting down federal outlays = yelling to Treasury buyers "We can't pay interest anymore!!".

This is insane Teabaggery - even Boehner gets it. We CANNOT do it. Treasury markets would halt.

The insane idiocy mentality has infested the Tea Party more than ever.

Did the treasury markets freeze when this happened before?

192 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:48:34pm

Just one of the problems with Public Sector Unions...
Interesting...!
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

193 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:49:02pm

re: #171 EmmmieG

A thirteen year old once showed me how to open all icons on my desktop simultaneously.

Yeah.

Windows-key + D is my favorite. MAKE EVERYTHING DISAPPEAR

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:49:13pm

re: #182 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Their business model is working out perfectly.

Can you imagine how many people would sign up with a company that offered easy access, though?

195 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:49:50pm

re: #180 reine.de.tout

*waves hi*

196 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:50:02pm

re: #187 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What, go back to the Moon? Frak that, we got CEOs down here who need new gold-plated yachts. Priorities, man, priorities!

///

At this point, you have to ask what the Stockholders are demanding of the CEO. I doubt his job description probably has more to do with what kind of return they want than the time customers spend on hold.

Stockholders, Board members are accountable as well. . . .

197 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:50:13pm

Here's what I find puzzling:

If Charles is a total loser and LGF is a washed-up echo chamber of a blog that no longer has any relevance, then why do people consider themselves to be much more powerful or relevant crow about supposedly having gotten the better of him?

When you're in a position of strength you don't punch down. POTUS doesn't get into slap fights with Palin or Limbaugh or Beck. Big game hunters don't hire guides and go on safari to bag meerkats.

If I considered someone to be inconsequential, I sure as hell wouldn't make him the measure by which I gauge my success at anything, no matter how small. But, hey, that's just me—maybe I'm overlooking some salient fact. *shrug*

198 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:50:52pm

re: #197 CuriousLurker

They have nothing better to do?

199 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:51:31pm

Just for the record, I want it known, when I did get a person on the line, I did not take it out on her.

200 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:51:33pm

re: #144 ggt

I thought Hell was removing old wallpaper.

Rachel Lucas (a blogger I used to read) had a great rant on it.

right click...........
properties......

201 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:51:46pm

re: #180 reine.de.tout

But they just might take your froggies!

Are we back up and running? Major probs earlier today, for me anyhow . . .

Frog nappers!

202 Linden Arden  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:51:55pm

re: #191 garhighway

Did the treasury markets freeze when this happened before?

We paid the interest in the 90s and kept our AAA rating.


The idiot Teabags may destroy our credit rating -- which might be their goal.

203 albusteve  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:52:04pm

re: #192 reloadingisnotahobby

Just one of the problems with Public Sector Unions...
Interesting...!
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

LOL...who's this joke on?
the taxpayers again?
there must be more to the story

204 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:52:14pm

re: #201 Killgore Trout

I think they really want your slugs!

205 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:52:30pm

re: #200 wozzablog

right click...
properties...

plain black background for me, thanks *_*

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:52:57pm

re: #192 reloadingisnotahobby

Just one of the problems with Public Sector Unions...
Interesting...!
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

“Short of the gulag, I can’t imagine any work force that would have a so-to-speak 90 percent disability attrition rate,” said Glenn Scammel, long one of Capitol Hill’s top experts on railroads. “That defies both logic and experience.”

Sounds though as though the union contracts may be pushing up what these guys are paid, but it's the regulatory agency that's falling down by certifying all these dudes as disabled.

207 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:52:59pm

re: #202 Linden Arden

We paid the interest in the 90s and kept our AAA rating.

The idiot Teabags may destroy our credit rating -- which might be their goal.

starve the beast!

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:53:15pm

re: #195 Floral Giraffe

*waves hi*

Hi, Floral!!!

209 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:53:29pm

re: #192 reloadingisnotahobby

Just one of the problems with Public Sector Unions...
Interesting...!
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

That situation is particularly bad because accountability for the employer side of the bargaining table is so diffused. No regular voters get to vote for the MTA board, or the RR Retirement Board, so it is difficult for taxpayers to hold anyone responsible.

If, as a voter, I saw my mayor or governor agree to a stupid deal, I could vote him out. But how do I, as an elector, punish the LIRR?

210 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:53:42pm

re: #197 CuriousLurker

They don't want LGF online anymore. They want to humiliate him and the rest of us so we'll leave the interwebs.

211 freetoken  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:54:06pm

re: #192 reloadingisnotahobby

Just one of the problems with Public Sector Unions...
Interesting...!
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Except... what that article describes goes way beyond what the union involved in the LIRR controlled. Some of the people discussed there are just exploiting the overlapping domains of the LIRR, the RRB, and federal rules on retirement.

212 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:54:24pm

re: #202 Linden Arden

We paid the interest in the 90s and kept our AAA rating.

The idiot Teabags may destroy our credit rating -- which might be their goal.

If the market didn't freeze in the 90's, why would it now?

213 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:54:25pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

Back at you!
*waves*

214 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:54:33pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

“Short of the gulag, I can’t imagine any work force that would have a so-to-speak 90 percent disability attrition rate,” said Glenn Scammel, long one of Capitol Hill’s top experts on railroads. “That defies both logic and experience.”

Sounds though as though the union contracts may be pushing up what these guys are paid, but it's the regulatory agency that's falling down by certifying all these dudes as disabled.

votes, it's all about votes . . . .

215 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:54:43pm

re: #210 marjoriemoon

LOL!
As IF they could!

216 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:54:47pm

re: #199 EmmmieG

Just for the record, I want it known, when I did get a person on the line, I did not take it out on her.

Good for you!!!
...but could you UNDERSTAND her??
I always seem to get the office in Burma or Bangladesh...

217 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:55:06pm

re: #212 garhighway

If the market didn't freeze in the 90's, why would it now?

because we're in worse shape now? I dunno, just guessing

218 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:55:45pm

re: #198 Floral Giraffe

They have nothing better to do?

That's what odd. If you (presumably) have a popular blog, lots of professional projects to work on, family to spend time with, books to read,whatever then how do you not have anything better to do than than pick on some guy you supposedly consider a total loser?

219 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:55:45pm

re: #217 WindUpBird

because we're in worse shape now? I dunno, just guessing

The market for Treasuries isn't going anywhere. It is very robust.

220 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:56:01pm

re: #215 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
As IF they could!

It's been years and we haven't budged. Maybe they need to move to Plan B.

221 Linden Arden  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:56:04pm

re: #212 garhighway

If the market didn't freeze in the 90's, why would it now?

I said we paid the interest - our #1 obligation.

222 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:56:09pm

re: #212 garhighway

If the market didn't freeze in the 90's, why would it now?

International instability in finance houses and horrific credit markets. It's a bit different nowadays.

223 albusteve  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:56:49pm

re: #217 WindUpBird

because we're in worse shape now? I dunno, just guessing

whatever...all the people here freaked out over a shutdown will have an answer....it's all about facts

224 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:57:20pm

re: #218 CuriousLurker

I don't think they are like the people you describe.
More like folks living in their parent's basements eating Cheetos.
No friends, little to no social skills or interaction.
Just my 2 cents.

225 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:57:22pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

with in days or a week of their retirement...How many shades
of RED FLAGS do they need?

226 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:58:22pm

re: #210 marjoriemoon

They don't want LGF online anymore. They want to humiliate him and the rest of us so we'll leave the interwebs.

Again, why? If he is/we are irrelevant, then it's not as if that would be some great accomplishment to be proud of. My brother was a hunter and I never once saw him take a kitchen mouse to the taxidermist so he could mount it on the wall.

227 garhighway  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:58:36pm

re: #222 wozzablog

International instability in finance houses and horrific credit markets. It's a bit different nowadays.

I suppose that's possible, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

228 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:58:49pm

re: #224 Floral Giraffe

I don't think they are like the people you describe.
More like folks living in their parent's basements eating Cheetos.
No friends, little to no social skills or interaction.
Just my 2 cents.

I actually would LOVE to have a basement right now, that would be the most practical place to set up and work for me, natural sound deadening and no outside light, perfect

229 Linden Arden  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 3:59:18pm

If the GOP House shut us down next week Obama could sell oil in the SPR to gain funds to pay the bond interest.

Being CEO has its advantages.

230 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:00:00pm

re: #195 Floral Giraffe

*waves hi*

Hey {{flo}}
good to see you!

231 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:00:38pm

re: #224 Floral Giraffe

I don't think they are like the people you describe.
More like folks living in their parent's basements eating Cheetos.
No friends, little to no social skills or interaction.
Just my 2 cents.

Actions always speak louder than words. ;o)

232 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:01:52pm

re: #226 CuriousLurker

Again, why? If he is/we are irrelevant, then it's not as if that would be some great accomplishment to be proud of. My brother was a hunter and I never once saw him take a kitchen mouse to the taxidermist so he could mount it on the wall.

lol You make sense, darling. They do not :) That's all I have.

Personally, I think it takes a lot to hold on to that kind of hatred for years and years. It's draining and just dumb. They look like fools.

233 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:02:08pm

re: #223 albusteve

whatever...all the people here freaked out over a shutdown will have an answer...it's all about facts


I'm not so much freaked out so much as I see it as a silly stunt in the midst of a lot of economic shittiness, fucking over a whole bunch of honest federal workers who will be furloughed

stunts and more stunts! Seems every day there's a new one

234 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:02:53pm

re: #233 WindUpBird

I'm not so much freaked out so much as I see it as a silly stunt in the midst of a lot of economic shittiness, fucking over a whole bunch of honest federal workers who will be furloughed

stunts and more stunts! Seems every day there's a new one

SSDD

235 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:03:20pm

re: #204 Floral Giraffe

I think they really want your slugs!

Oh, ick.
No, they are the slugs.
And they want to be the froggies.

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:04:00pm

re: #233 WindUpBird

too many so muches in that comment

237 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:04:13pm

re: #235 reine.de.tout

Oh, ick.
No, they are the slugs.
And they want to be the froggies.

I saw a new product made by RAID on the store shelf the other day.

Bedbug and Flea spray.

I shuddered in horror.

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:06:30pm

re: #237 ggt

I saw a new product made by RAID on the store shelf the other day.

Bedbug and Flea spray.

I shuddered in horror.

I read an interview with a local exterminator about the whole bedbug thing. He says bedbugs are the only pest that have actually made clients of his cry when he told them what they had.

He also said a few people had called him back repeatedly, because they didn't believe they didn't have bedbugs.

239 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:08:01pm

re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist

I read an interview with a local exterminator about the whole bedbug thing. He says bedbugs are the only pest that have actually made clients of his cry when he told them what they had.

He also said a few people had called him back repeatedly, because they didn't believe they didn't have bedbugs.

I would cry too!

The HORROR!

240 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:18:28pm

re: #239 ggt

I would cry too!

The HORROR!

that's it, I'm buying Michael Jackson's hyperbaric chamber

241 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:47:17pm

re: #192 reloadingisnotahobby

Just one of the problems with Public Sector Unions...
Interesting...!
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Don't think LIRR is public sector. The problem is the Retirement Board.

242 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 4:53:04pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

Check that, MTA runs it, but the disability is not a union issue.

243 CarleeCork  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 7:38:48pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

I have to say, I think people knew Anita was telling the truth.

It didn't matter.


Why didn't it matter???

244 Jaerik  Mon, Mar 7, 2011 9:56:25pm

I'm floored.

The GOP actually seems to think it "won" the showdown with Clinton over the government shutdown and impeachment proceedings during the 90's.

Then again, they've so revised Reagan's rougher patches in hindsight, it's possible they're just doing the same again.

245 mph  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 6:43:54am

2.1 trillion in 2011 projected revenues
3.7 trillion in 2011 proposed spending

Never mind the political theater you are arguing about above; I think a "shut down" through federal insolvency is imminent.

...and this is just the federal deficit we are talking about. Consider how many states are upside down right now.

246 Obdicut  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:21:38am

re: #245 mph

Then you don't understand what 'insolvency' is.

247 Stephen T.  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 1:08:15pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

One would think that a biblical literalist and there many in the GOP would see it as our responsibility to tend to the earth that God created. At least, that's how I'd think if I were a creationist. Heck I think that way as an evolutionist too. This is the only planet we've got. Gotta make it best for future generations. The way to do that is not to whine about Al Gore and ebil environmentalists when the real issue of climate change is brought up.

One would indeed think that a biblical literalist would want to be "good stewards of the land" as part of their responsibility to God. Except for the very strong belief that we are in the "End Times." There is no need to protect the environment for our children or grandchildren, since they will have either been brought up to heaven or tortured in the fires of hell by the time they are adults. To put it short, literalists believe that there is no future, so why protect it.


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