Rep. Peter King’s controversial hearings on radicalization among American Muslims began this morning. C-SPAN has live video.
LGF reader CuriousLurker posted an interesting Page yesterday on King’s star witness: Dr. Zuhdi Jasser.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:07:59am |
Jasser is doing fairly well today. I think he has the right general idea. My biggest complaint is that he's fond of mentioning liberty and the constitution. He's not misusing the terms but they have become tainted buzzwords from the Tea Party.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:08:15am |
This hearing is essentially a violation of the Establishment Clause. It's unconstitutional.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:09:04am |
re: #2 Gus 802
This hearing is essentially a violation of the Establishment Clause. It's unconstitutional.
This scares the heck out of me.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:09:42am |
re: #1 Killgore Trout
Jasser is doing fairly well today. I think he has the right general idea. My biggest complaint is that he's fond of mentioning liberty and the constitution. He's not misusing the terms but they have become tainted buzzwords from the Tea Party.
Try new Liberty Cola now with more Constitution!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:10:05am |
Paul Broun says he doesn't think there's a single Republican who's Islamophobic.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:10:34am |
re: #3 SanFranciscoZionist
This scares the heck out of me.
Some of it is spooky. Mr Broun (speaking now) is one of the spooky ones. Overall it's been a mixed bag. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:13:27am |
re: #5 Charles
Paul Broun says he doesn't think there's a single Republican who's Islamophobic.
LOL!
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:15:03am |
I can't think of a better way for the GOP to openly illustrate how much xenophobia and hate control their agenda.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:15:26am |
Rep. Keith Ellison got emotional and choked up a bit. I like him and I can't believe the same state that sent him to Congress also sent Michele Bachmann.
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Spocomptonite Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:16:06am |
The only un-American people are the ones who think "un-American" is defined as anyone not born in this country, and/or of parents who were not born in this country, and/or look like they weren't born in this country, and/or aren't of a particular few sects of Christianity.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:16:44am |
re: #5 Charles
Paul Broun says he doesn't think there's a single Republican who's Islamophobic.
He's an optimistic man.
Or stupid.
Or simply lying.
I wouldn't say that about the Democrats!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:16:48am |
Is there any other precedent for this kind of hearing targeting a specific religious or ethnic group in the post Civil Rights era?
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:17:28am |
re: #1 Killgore Trout
Jasser is doing fairly well today. I think he has the right general idea. My biggest complaint is that he's fond of mentioning liberty and the constitution. He's not misusing the terms but they have become tainted buzzwords from the Tea Party.
Apparently, you need to read more about Jasser. The guy is a demagogue of the worst kind.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:18:34am |
re: #11 moderatelyradicalliberal
Rep. Keith Ellison got emotional and choked up a bit. I like him and I can't believe the same state that sent him to Congress also sent Michele Bachmann.
Mars?
//Like I always say, Minnesota is weird. They like big personality, and they like it both sides of the aisle.
I do recall that some of this taqiyya crap was already starting when Ellison came in.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:18:35am |
Any reason why they didn't hold a hearing like this when Bush was president?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:19:51am |
re: #17 Gus 802
Any reason why they didn't hold a hearing like this when Bush was president?
Probably because the Bush administration, for all their sins, did their best to keep this kind of witch hunt from getting rolling, and they were pretty good at it.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:20:03am |
re: #17 Gus 802
Any reason why they didn't hold a hearing like this when Bush was president?
Bush wouldn't have wanted it. He wasn't an insane Islamophobe.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:21:03am |
Candice Miller: "Some of my best friends are Muslims".
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:22:16am |
re: #15 Fozzie Bear
Apparently, you need to read more about Jasser. The guy is a demagogue of the worst kind.
If you are not a fish, how can you know if the fish are happy?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:22:58am |
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:23:11am |
Equal rights for all and special rights for none!
Riiiiggghhhtttt, lady.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:23:48am |
re: #25 Varek Raith
Equal rights for all and special rights for none!
Riiiggghhhttt, lady.
Can you believe his bullshit? It's like redneck wisdom day on the hill today.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:23:59am |
re: #25 Varek Raith
Equal rights for all and special rights for none!
Riiiggghhhttt, lady.
Some are more equal than others of course.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:25:21am |
The sound sucks. I'm losing the right channel on and off. Anyone else?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:26:34am |
re: #28 Gus 802
The sound sucks. I'm losing the right channel on and off. Anyone else?
I'm not watching. My stomach won't take it.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:27:42am |
re: #17 Gus 802
Any reason why they didn't hold a hearing like this when Bush was president?
Because Bush for all of his flaws refused to engage in Muslim demonization or bashing. Without a leader who won't engage in it, the GOP has gone back to their usual racism and xenophobia that has so alienated a majority of most minority groups. There was a while when it looked like Hispanics and Muslims might be for the GOP what African Americans and Jews were for the GOP, but after Bush all attempts at serious outreach ended. The GOP went back to not just ignoring minorities, but actively offending them. A black man in the White House with an African/Muslim name has caused a seriously violent allergic reaction in America and the GOP has been more than willing to reap the benefits.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:28:27am |
re: #23 Killgore Trout
If you are not a fish, how can you know if the fish are happy?
I wouldn't ask the fish that keeps telling me the fisherman isn't all that bad.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:30:22am |
re: #26 Gus 802
Can you believe his bullshit? It's like redneck wisdom day on the hill today.
So it's CPAC, but with more cameras pointed in its direction?
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SpaceJesus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:30:51am |
So if Al Qaeda was led by a guy named O'Sama, it would be ok then eh Mr. King?
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:30:57am |
Leroy Baca: "Most Muslims don't know what the Koran is all about"
/facepalm
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Spocomptonite Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:34:55am |
re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm not watching. My stomach won't take it.
I know what you mean. I'm afraid if I watch it, I'll call up my family's lawyer and beg him to get me the Canadian citizenship and passport I am technically eligible for.
That and I'll be sick, and I'm covering a shift today for someone at work who is also sick. "Local Grocery store shuts its doors from widespread dry-heaving and fetal-position crying by employees brought on by witnessing too much islamophobia."
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:35:08am |
Uh. Mr. Jasser. There are separatists of every stripe in this country. People are allowed to hold ideas that we don't agree with or fear.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:35:13am |
I have many Jedi friends.
Just so you know.
;)
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:35:36am |
I want hearings on the radicalization of American right-wing politicians.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:36:24am |
Bigots have a vested interest in not seeing their own bigotry and re-defining bigotry is the easiest way to include yourself in the non-bigot bigotry club.
Just to be on the safe side, that re-definition can also stealth move all of the non-bigots into the gnu-bigot non-bigotry club. Of course they have no idea they are now bigots, so the celebration can also be about their ignorance, hahaha.
We have entered the age of justification by re-definition. Hallelujah.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:37:37am |
re: #40 Varek Raith
I have many Jedi friends.
Just so you know.
;)
Do you allow them to use your bathroom?
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:38:57am |
re: #45 b_sharp
Do you allow them to use your bathroom?
Well...uh...Yeah, the bathroom is in the...uh...airlock.
Yeah.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:39:40am |
re: #35 SpaceJesus
So if Al Qaeda was led by a guy named O'Sama, it would be ok then eh Mr. King?
Nonono...if the current POTUS was a white guy with an American mother and an Irish father named Barry O'Bama, King would be okay with everything. These hearings wouldn't exist, don'tcha know.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:39:47am |
re: #42 negativ
I want hearings on the radicalization of American right-wing politicians.
That would be informative.
With Drunk on Green Beer day coming up, I'd like to have hearings on the radicalization of leprechauns, so I can feel safe during my bar hopping.
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garhighway Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:40:43am |
This hearing would make more sense if it was in the original German.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:40:58am |
re: #47 Varek Raith
Well...uh...Yeah, the bathroom is in the...uh...airlock.
Yeah.
You are such a kind Sith. Don't you worry about getting a good reputation?
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iceweasel Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:41:28am |
re: #54 garhighway
This hearing would make more sense if it was in the original German.
Auto-upding for molly ivans.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:43:12am |
re: #54 garhighway
This hearing would make more sense if it was in the original German.
God, I miss Molly Ivins. She was awesome.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:43:20am |
re: #42 negativ
I want hearings on the radicalization of American right-wing politicians.
Imagine the reaction if some lib congress-critter decided to hold hearings on Dominionists and other radical Christians and their well-organized and pervasive efforts to subvert the Constitution and gain control of the country. It wouldn't require much actual investigation though since these groups are quite open about their goals and intentions.
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iceweasel Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:44:08am |
re: #60 Shiplord Kirel
Imagine the reaction if some lib congress-critter decided to hold hearings on Dominionists and other radical Christians and their well-organized and pervasive efforts to subvert the Constitution and gain control of the country. It wouldn't require much actual investigation though since these groups are quite open about their goals and intentions.
They're just following the Founders, dontchaknow. /
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garhighway Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:44:10am |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:44:19am |
re: #59 Lidane
God, I miss Molly Ivins. She was awesome.
Oh me too. It's hard to believe sometimes, but 20 years ago Texas actually had real progressives with real influence in the state.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:44:32am |
Lots of hate mail came in overnight - looks like about 11 rants, several from the same person pretending to be different idiots.
One of them is from the World's Angriest Creationist, Richard L. Kent, Esq., warning me that James O'Keefe is going to sue me for libel and take everything I own.
Defamationist Charles "The Squire of Gothos" Johnson committed an act of
libel and defamation in his blog a couple of days back, describing James
O'Keefe as follows:"ACORN sting film editor and admitted felon James O’Keefe is at it
again...."James O'Keefe is not a felon; he is a misdemeanant. If he were guilty of
a felony he would have been found such by a court of law. He pled guilty
to a misdemeanor (only) in Federal court.To accuse someone of a crime or criminal status when they have not been
convicted as such is defamation per se.Be careful, Trelayne, or Mr. O'Keefe may wind up owning LGF. And if not
him, then someone else. Eventually you're going to fuck with someone who
can afford more lawyers than you can.
I did make a mistake in calling O'Keefe an "admitted felon," and corrected it yesterday.
O'Keefe was originally charged with a felony, but pled it down to a misdemeanor. In my opinion, he should have gone to jail for a stunt like trying to bug a Senator's phones.
(The threat that someone's going to sue me for something like this is ridiculous, of course.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:44:49am |
re: #36 Fozzie Bear
Leroy Baca: "Most Muslims don't know what the Koran is all about"
/facepalm
If only they'd read a book by Robert Spencer, they could find out!
//"Most Jews don't know about the hate the Talmud preaches." Did you really think I wouldn't recognize this crap because you slapped a new coat of paint on it, assholes?
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:45:22am |
re: #64 Charles
Lots of hate mail came in overnight - looks like about 11 rants, several from the same person pretending to be different idiots.
One of them is from the World's Angriest Creationist, Richard L. Kent, Esq., warning me that James O'Keefe is going to sue me for libel and take everything I own.
I did make a mistake in calling O'Keefe an "admitted felon," and corrected it yesterday.
O'Keefe was originally charged with a felony, but pled it down to a misdemeanor. In my opinion, he should have gone to jail for a stunt like trying to bug a Senator's phones.
(The threat that someone's going to sue me for something like this is ridiculous, of course.)
Right wingers are very angry people.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:45:48am |
re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm not watching. My stomach won't take it.
Ditto. I don't really feel like going blind from reflexive eye-rolling, or looking like I just went 10 rounds with Mike Tyson from all the face-palming.
If anyone feels like compiling a "Pete King & Pals Say the Darnedest Things" compendium, that would be slightly more tolerable, however.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:46:05am |
re: #63 moderatelyradicalliberal
Oh me too. It's hard to believe sometimes, but 20 years ago Texas actually had real progressives with real influence in the state.
Tell me about it. Between Molly Ivins and Ann Richards, I had some fantastic progressive role models in this state.
Now? Not so much. :(
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:46:11am |
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:46:24am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:46:51am |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:47:28am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:47:32am |
re: #70 Varek Raith
Lack of sex.
/...?
Can't be that, they've screwing the American people for over 30 years now.
/
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Spocomptonite Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:47:47am |
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SpaceJesus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:47:54am |
re: #64 Charles
looks like about 11 rants, several from the same person pretending to be different idiots.
hi rodan
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:48:48am |
re: #68 Lidane
Tell me about it. Between Molly Ivins and Ann Richards, I had some fantastic progressive role models in this state.
Now? Not so much. :(
My aunt worked in Ann's administration. I met her several times and she was awesome, RIP.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:49:06am |
re: #67 negativ
Ditto. I don't really feel like going blind from reflexive eye-rolling, or looking like I just went 10 rounds with Mike Tyson from all the face-palming.
That's why I'm not watching it. Instead, I'm getting dressed and ready to go pick up my SXSW badge. And to try and kill the knot in my stomach over grades.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:49:49am |
"Video temporarily unavailable"
CSPAN crapping out on me. :(
What did i miss?
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:49:50am |
re: #69 moderatelyradicalliberal
re: #66 Gus 802Right wingers are very angry people.
THIS.
Lack of self discipline and responsibility - everyone else is at fault for their problems.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:50:15am |
re: #79 Gus 802
All of the Republicans on the panel are wingnuts.
Especially, this silly fucker from Minnesota talking now. Thank God for Jackie Spear and Yvette Clark.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:50:36am |
re: #64 Charles
Misdemeanor or felony, trying to bug a Senator's telephone is a direct attempt to subvert and destroy Constitutional authority; that is, sedition on its face.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:50:48am |
re: #85 b_sharp
Lack of self discipline and responsibility - everyone else is at fault for their problems.
There all WATBs.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:52:11am |
re: #88 moderatelyradicalliberal
Lack of self discipline and responsibility - everyone else is at fault for their problems.
There all WATBs.
Weiners and Toxic bastards?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:52:24am |
re: #88 moderatelyradicalliberal
Lack of self discipline and responsibility - everyone else is at fault for their problems.
There all WATBs.
They're all WATBs.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:52:29am |
re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist
If only they'd read a book by Robert Spencer, they could find out!
//"Most Jews don't know about the hate the Talmud preaches." Did you really think I wouldn't recognize this crap because you slapped a new coat of paint on it, assholes?
Now if someone would just let the Evangelicals know what Jesus was talking about.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:53:13am |
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:54:06am |
re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Now if someone would just let the Evangelicals know what Jesus was talking about.
Look, any time you have a bears shredding 40 or so children, you've got a great scene for a B list horror movie.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:54:26am |
"Don't you think there should also be a discussion of the other groups?" Ha!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:54:31am |
re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Now if someone would just let the Evangelicals know what Jesus was talking about.
Fun gotcha game: ask an Evangelical Christian to recite all 10 of the 10 Commandments.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:55:26am |
re: #93 Stanley Sea
what???
That asshat from Minnesota was implying that the sheriff might be being used by CAIR or some such bullshit.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:56:10am |
re: #96 moderatelyradicalliberal
Fun gotcha game: ask an Evangelical Christian to recite all 10 of the 10 Commandments.
In order.
Or alphabetically.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:57:02am |
BTW, looking at the mug shot for the young man arrested for the haircut-related stabbing, I think he may not actually have had half his had of hair sheared off before things went south. I think he has one side of his hair rolled and fastened down, and the other still combed up, following a trim.
This is less humorous, but still a pretty damn fabulous mug shot.
//This is, I acknowledge, totally irrelevant to, well, anything.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:57:38am |
re: #96 moderatelyradicalliberal
Fun gotcha game: ask an Evangelical Christian to recite all 10 of the 10 Commandments.
There's a scene about that in "The Crucible".
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:57:40am |
Geller Compares Opposition To Muslim Radicalization Hearings To "Pre-War Nazi Germany"
... Wherein she claims the American Library Association "accommodates the sharia."
LGF needs a special wingnut tag for quoting wingnuts, complete with its own font.
e.g.,
blah blah socialism blah shariah blah blah
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:58:19am |
Yes, yes, we know. Asking why this circus is going on is "political fear." *rolls eyes*
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:58:21am |
re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, looking at the mug shot for the young man arrested for the haircut-related stabbing, I think he may not actually have had half his had of hair sheared off before things went south. I think he has one side of his hair rolled and fastened down, and the other still combed up, following a trim.
This is less humorous, but still a pretty damn fabulous mug shot.
//This is, I acknowledge, totally irrelevant to, well, anything.
But really, how relevant is irrelevance among friends?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:58:33am |
re: #102 negativ
Geller Compares Opposition To Muslim Radicalization Hearings To "Pre-War Nazi Germany"
... Wherein she claims the American Library Association "accommodates the sharia."
LGF needs a special wingnut tag for quoting wingnuts, complete with its own font.
e.g.,
blah blah socialism blah shariah blah blah
That woman wouldn't know Nazi Germany if Adolf Hitler himself walked by her in a tutu.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:59:11am |
re: #81 Lidane
i'm heading down to austin wednesday, woot
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:59:31am |
re: #102 negativ
Geller Compares Opposition To Muslim Radicalization Hearings To "Pre-War Nazi Germany"
... Wherein she claims the American Library Association "accommodates the sharia."
LGF needs a special wingnut tag for quoting wingnuts, complete with its own font.
e.g.,
blah blah socialism blah shariah blah blah
Comic Sans works for Pharyngula.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:59:47am |
re: #2 Gus 802
This hearing is essentially a violation of the Establishment Clause. It's unconstitutional.
The GOP, as currently constituted, would use the Constitution for toilet paper if they thought they could get away with it.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:59:59am |
re: #96 moderatelyradicalliberal
Fun gotcha game: ask an Evangelical Christian to recite all 10 of the 10 Commandments.
Bonus: which version?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:00:25am |
re: #105 HappyWarrior
That woman wouldn't know Nazi Germany if Adolf Hitler himself walked by her in a tutu.
BAD MENTAL IMAGE.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:00:58am |
re: #105 HappyWarrior
That woman wouldn't know Nazi Germany if Adolf Hitler himself walked by her in a tutu.
Quick, hand me a pickle fork, I need to gouge my eyes out.
My mental eyes, not my physical ones.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:01:10am |
re: #6 Gus 802
Oh boy. Here we go with the "political correctness" meme.
Generally I find people who complain about 'political correctness' are really bitching about the fact that it's not their 'political correctness'.
As these idiotic hearings show.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:01:23am |
Very strange. They're calling, essentially, to "regulate" a religion.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:01:32am |
re: #111 b_sharp
Quick, hand me a pickle fork, I need to gouge my eyes out.
My mental eyes, not my physical ones.
Don't you need a mental pickle fork for that?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:02:15am |
re: #114 Gus 802
Very strange. They're calling, essentially, to "regulate" a religion.
We have an Amendment for that.
Magic Constitution 8-Ball says "No".
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Jaerik Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:03:07am |
It's worth noting, (although someone's probably already pointed it out), that King used to support the IRA: the Christian terrorist organization in Northern Island that killed almost as many people as died in the World Trade Center attacks, through car bombings, shootings, etc.
When asked about the hypocrisy, he simply said it wasn't terrorism when they did it.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:03:09am |
re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist
Don't you need a mental pickle fork for that?
Yah, I guess so. It would be less painful than going through my ears to get to my mind with a real pickle fork.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:03:11am |
re: #105 HappyWarrior
That woman wouldn't know Nazi Germany if Adolf Hitler himself walked by her in a tutu.
Eiiiiyyeeee!!! Where's my brain bleach?!?
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Spocomptonite Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:03:38am |
re: #102 negativ
Geller Compares Opposition To Muslim Radicalization Hearings To "Pre-War Nazi Germany"
... Wherein she claims the American Library Association "accommodates the sharia."
LGF needs a special wingnut tag for quoting wingnuts, complete with its own font.
e.g.,
blah blah socialism blah shariah blah blah
Comic Sans? It gives it a whole new meaning.
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ssn697 Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:05:30am |
I am truly saddened for America today. What an embarrassment.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:05:51am |
re: #118 Jaerik
It's worth noting, (although someone's probably already pointed it out), that King used to support the IRA: the Christian terrorist organization in Northern Island that killed almost as many people as died in the World Trade Center attacks, through car bombings, shootings, etc.
When asked about the hypocrisy, he simply said it wasn't terrorism when they did it.
Peter King ---> Sinn Fein ---> IRA ---> PLO
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:05:55am |
Wow, it's amazing how they colorized the McCarthy hearings...oh wait, that's Peter King, my bad.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:06:50am |
re: #118 Jaerik
It's worth noting, (although someone's probably already pointed it out), that King used to support the IRA: the Christian terrorist organization in Northern Island that killed almost as many people as died in the World Trade Center attacks, through car bombings, shootings, etc.
When asked about the hypocrisy, he simply said it wasn't terrorism when they did it.
I wouldn't really call the IRA, Christian per say. It's weird as hell that he supported them though. The IRA and Sinn Fein's politics are explicitly socialist.And yeah he's a hypocrite and I myself have Irish republican sympathies.
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Stanghazi Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:07:14am |
re: #124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Wow, it's amazing how they colorized the McCarthy hearings...oh wait, that's Peter King, my bad.
I'm stealing that ok?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:07:57am |
re: #118 Jaerik
It's worth noting, (although someone's probably already pointed it out), that King used to support the IRA: the Christian terrorist organization in Northern Island that killed almost as many people as died in the World Trade Center attacks, through car bombings, shootings, etc.
When asked about the hypocrisy, he simply said it wasn't terrorism when they did it.
It's been pointed out, but it is worth pointing out again.
King is a goddamn hypocrite.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:08:07am |
re: #66 Gus 802
Right wingers are very angry people.
They're very addicted people. Stoned out of their gourds all the time on anger.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:08:26am |
re: #114 Gus 802
Very strange. They're calling, essentially, to "regulate" a religion.
Seeking, finally, a solution to the Muslim Question?
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:08:39am |
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:08:46am |
re: #126 Stanley Sea
I'm stealing that ok?
Are you sure you aren't Canadian? Asking permission to steal something is awful damned polite.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:10:04am |
Shit, I think as a sympathizer to Irish republican politics, I probably find King's behavior and attitudes the most outrageous. You can't be grandstanding like this when you supported the damn IRA. It's interesting though his logic could be used to tag himself as a terrorist since the IRA had PLO and Qaddafi connections.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:11:00am |
Religion coercing citizens to do things? You mean like abortion and gay marriage?
Now why am I thinking about the Republican Party?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:11:10am |
In the 1980s, King frequently traveled to Northern Ireland to meet with IRA members.[13] In 1982, speaking at a pro-IRA rally in Nassau County, New York, King said: “We must pledge ourselves to support those brave men and women who this very moment are carrying forth the struggle against British imperialism in the streets of Belfast and Derry.”[13][19] "In 1985, he convened a press conference before the start of New York City's St. Patrick's Day parade (for which he was Grand Marshal), and offered a defiant defense of the IRA: 'As we march up the avenue and share all the joy,' he declared, 'let us never forget the men and women who are suffering and, most of all, the men and women who are fighting.'"[20] Regarding the 30 years of violence during which the IRA killed over 1700 people, including over 600 civilians, King said, ""If civilians are killed in an attack on a military installation, it is certainly regrettable, but I will not morally blame the IRA for it". King compared IRA leader Gerry Adams to George Washington and asserted that the "British government is a murder machine". [21]
He called the IRA "the legitimate voice of occupied Ireland."[22] A Northern Irish judge ordered King ejected from the former's courtroom, describing him as “an obvious collaborator with the IRA”.[13] King called himself "the Ollie North of Ireland."[20] King did not meet Gerry Adams until 1984, four years after his liaison with the IRA began [1] and before that his links with the IRA were predominantly with its military, rather than the political wing, Sinn Fein. At this time he was friendly with Michael McKevitt, the common law partner of Bernadette Sands, sister of the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands. McKevitt was at the time a senior leader of the IRA and was its Quarter Master-General, in charge of arms acquisition. McKevitt planned a massive series of arms smuggling operations of weapons provided to the IRA by Libyan leader, Col. Muammar Gaddafi during the mid-1980's. During this time, King would stay in their home in Co. Louth while visiting Ireland and was also very close to the IRA's former Operations Officer in Belfast, Anto Murray, who was convicted in 1990 of kidnapping a suspected British spy. As Belfast Operations Officer, Murray planned or authorised every IRA bombing, shooting and killing in the city. King would stay with Murray and his wife Lucy during visits to Belfast and after Anto Murray was imprisoned, he hosted Lucy Murray on a tour of the Capitol when she visited the United States. [2] He became involved with NORAID, an organization that the British, Irish and US governments accuse of financing IRA activities and providing them with weapons.[13][23][24][25] He was banned from appearing on British TV for his pro IRA views and refusing to condemn IRA activity in the UK.[13] When the Archbishop of New York embraced King at the city's St. Patrick's Day Parade, the Daily Mail "dedicated an entire editorial to the affair and called it the 'handshake of shame.'"[20]
In 1993, King lobbied for Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams to be a guest at the inauguration of President Bill Clinton.[20] In 2000, he called then-presidential candidate George W. Bush a tool of "anti-Catholic bigoted forces," after Bush visited Bob Jones University in South Carolina, "an institution that is notorious in Ireland for awarding an honorary doctorate to Northern Ireland's tempestuous Protestant leader, Ian Paisley."[13]
He stopped supporting the IRA after being offended by Irish public opposition to the invasion of Iraq, labelling it as begrudgery rather than suspicion of and opposition to the war.[13]
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:11:12am |
King should just leave this alone... or else, we're just asking for trouble...
Congressman says terror hearing may inspire terror
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The top Democrat on the House Homeland Security Committee says Thursday's hearing on Islamic radicalism could be used by terrorists to inspire a new generation of suicide bombers.
Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi says in prepared remarks that Congress has a responsibility to make sure its words do not make problems worse.
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:11:49am |
re: #133 Gus 802
Religion coercing citizens to do things? You mean like abortion and gay marriage?
Now why am I thinking about the Republican Party?
Because, to use Jasser's argument, they're looking to push political Christianity. But only political Islam is bad, m'kay?
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:12:02am |
re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist
Don't you need a mental pickle fork for that?
I've found salad forks work better for eyeball gouging.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:12:36am |
re: #125 HappyWarrior
I wouldn't really call the IRA, Christian per say. It's weird as hell that he supported them though. The IRA and Sinn Fein's politics are explicitly socialist.And yeah he's a hypocrite and I myself have Irish republican sympathies.
I have to admit that you can make me cry with songs about Bobby Sands. That said, King's a freaking apologist for terror.
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iceweasel Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:12:38am |
re: #133 Gus 802
Religion coercing citizens to do things? You mean like abortion and gay marriage?
Now why am I thinking about the Republican Party?
just a coincidence! move along, nothing to see here...
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:13:16am |
re: #137 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Because, to use Jasser's argument, they're looking to push political Christianity. But only political Islam is bad, m'kay?
Yeah, plus you know "those Muslims". Now I'm thinking about invading a country and killing 100,000 civilians based on an imaginary account of WMDs. Heck, I'm sure "those Muslims" understand that we made a mistake. It was was for freedom!
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:14:09am |
re: #140 iceweasel
just a coincidence! move along, nothing to see here...
Welcome hatchling.
Oh, sorry Ice, I didn't recognize you there for a second.
You've been missed.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:14:16am |
re: #140 iceweasel
just a coincidence! move along, nothing to see here...
Yeah, and we don't have Christin sects that want to set up a Dominionist state.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:14:17am |
re: #122 ssn697
I am truly saddened for America today. What an embarrassment.
I'm thinking of a quote from Walt Kelly about McCarthy, "We amazed our friends abroad and our enemies at home. They had no idea we could be so hard in the heart or so soft in the head."
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:14:40am |
Rep. Richardson raises a crucial point about limiting this hearing to one group, ie Muslims. In practical terms, terrorism in this country simply cannot be understood in such a context.
There is a kind of terrorist sub-culture out there; gun runners, technical mercenaries like bomb-makers, criminal fund-raisers like drug dealers, scumbag lawyers, free-floating anarchists. These tend to operate in support of all subversives to one degree or another.
Beyond that, the unstable personalities who commit terrorist acts often adhere to views that the rest of us would consider contradictory. We saw this prominently with the Tucson shooter, but it is more common that not. For example, white supremacists despise American Muslims but many of them simultaneously express sympathy and solidarity with Muslim enemies overseas, ours and, especially, Israel's. There is a lot of cross fertilization and overlap between terrorist groups, even when this seems irrational to the rest of us.
I really think that future terrorists develop their proclivity for violence first, then look around for a cause to serve as a rationalization. In Muslim countries, militant Islam is overwhelmingly the most obvious choice for this. In this country, there are many such choices but they all lead to the same place.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:14:41am |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to admit that you can make me cry with songs about Bobby Sands. That said, King's a freaking apologist for terror.
Yeah, as I said, I personally am very sympathetic to Irish republicanism. Hell I even have a Gaelic phrase tattooed on my upper right arm but he's an apologist. I do think it's interesting though that a conservative Republican supports the IRA. Even if they weren't terrorists, it would be weird because as I said, Sinn Fein (IRA's political wing for those of you who don't know) is openly socialist.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:15:22am |
re: #141 Gus 802
Yeah, plus you know "those Muslims". Now I'm thinking about invading a country and killing 100,000 civilians based on an imaginary account of WMDs. Heck, I'm sure "those Muslims" understand that we made a mistake. It was was for freedom!
Three cheers for the conquering liberating heroes.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:15:27am |
Wait, you mean the Patriot Act and anti-Muslim attitudes in the pursuit of stopping "terrorism" might in fact lead to the radicalization of American Muslims?
The hell you say!
//
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:15:32am |
re: #131 b_sharp
Are you sure you aren't Canadian? Asking permission to steal something is awful damned polite.
Yeah, we do stuff like that.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:15:54am |
One question:
Can we investigate Rep. King and his fellow Republicans over his planned attendance to a SPLC-identified hate group?
[Link: www.valuesvotersummit.org...]
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:16:11am |
re: #145 Shiplord Kirel
Rep. Richardson raises a crucial point about limiting this hearing to one group, ie Muslims. In practical terms, terrorism in this country simply cannot be understood in such a context.
There is a kind of terrorist sub-culture out there; gun runners, technical mercenaries like bomb-makers, criminal fund-raisers like drug dealers, scumbag lawyers, free-floating anarchists. These tend to operate in support of all subversives to one degree or another.
Beyond that, the unstable personalities who commit terrorist acts often adhere to views that the rest of us would consider contradictory. We saw this prominently with the Tucson shooter, but it is more common that not. For example, white supremacists despise American Muslims but many of them simultaneously express sympathy and solidarity with Muslim enemies overseas, ours and, especially, Israel's. There is a lot of cross fertilization and overlap between terrorist groups, even when this seems irrational to the rest of us.
I really think that future terrorists develop their proclivity for violence first, then look around for a cause to serve as a rationalization. In Muslim countries, militant Islam is overwhelmingly the most obvious choice for this. In this country, there are many such choices but they all lead to the same place.
Where's Rep Richardson from? Not familiar with her. Must be relatively new to the house. i do like the point she raised which is why I asked.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:16:41am |
re: #146 HappyWarrior
Yeah, as I said, I personally am very sympathetic to Irish republicanism. Hell I even have a Gaelic phrase tattooed on my upper right arm but he's an apologist. I do think it's interesting though that a conservative Republican supports the IRA. Even if they weren't terrorists, it would be weird because as I said, Sinn Fein (IRA's political wing for those of you who don't know) is openly socialist.
Ethnic politics trumping fine political points. I know a bunch of guys just like him from the neighborhood, but they're not in Congress, nor do they lead witch hunts against Muslims.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:16:43am |
Sorry, I'm tweaking something and had a slight problem. Just reload the page and it'll be OK.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:17:03am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:17:43am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:17:44am |
re: #151 RadicalModerate
One question:
Can we investigate Rep. King and his fellow Republicans over his planned attendance to a SPLC-identified hate group?
[Link: www.valuesvotersummit.org...]
To quote another list I'm on, "The SPLC should put THEMSELVES on that hate list."
I don't think she actually added, "So there!", but it was strongly implied.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:18:13am |
re: #153 Varek Raith
Awesome!
My mute button works!
That was your fault?
You bugger, I just posted the world's wittiest one liner, and now I can't remember it exactly.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:18:28am |
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Kragar Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:19:17am |
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iceweasel Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:19:47am |
re: #142 b_sharp
Welcome hatchling.
Oh, sorry Ice, I didn't recognize you there for a second.
You've been missed.
Aw thanks! been busy and also been hanging out in the pages more. What's new here?
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:19:53am |
re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Thwiiip!
/reloads the needler with more antibiotics
Please, that's easily countered.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:20:02am |
Ugh. With Baca gone what's the point in listening to this crap.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:21:14am |
Yep, just ignore the freaking name of the hearing!
Jackass.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:21:14am |
re: #168 Varek Raith
Please, that's easily countered.
/breaks out the 155mm antibiotic flechette launcher
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:21:33am |
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RadicalModerate Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:21:50am |
re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist
To quote another list I'm on, "The SPLC should put THEMSELVES on that hate list."
I don't think she actually added, "So there!", but it was strongly implied.
They should consider it...when the SPLC has as its leader someone who uses David Duke's mailing lists and speaks to white nationalist groups (you know, like Tony Perkins did).
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:22:25am |
Is there a chance that anything positive will come out of this hearing? Like, King and Republicans will end up looking as obvious douches, etc.?
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:22:57am |
re: #154 HappyWarrior
Where's Rep Richardson from? Not familiar with her. Must be relatively new to the house. i do like the point she raised which is why I asked.
Richardson represents the 37th District of California. This is basically central LA, including Compton, Carson, and Signal Hill. It extends south right to Long Beach.
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kirkspencer Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:23:01am |
re: #105 HappyWarrior
That woman wouldn't know Nazi Germany if Adolf Hitler himself walked by her in a tutu.
If I saw that, I'd think Mel Brooks was staging another version of the Producers nearby and fall out of my chair laughing.
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Kragar Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:23:19am |
re: #174 Sergey Romanov
Is there a chance that anything positive will come out of this hearing? Like, King and Republicans will end up looking as obvious douches, etc.?
Mission accomplished.
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BongCrodny Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:23:25am |
re: #102 negativ
LGF needs a special wingnut tag for quoting wingnuts, complete with its own font.
e.g.,
blah blah socialism blah shariah blah blah
[starburst][/starburst]
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:24:02am |
re: #167 iceweasel
Aw thanks! been busy and also been hanging out in the pages more. What's new here?
Not as much as I'd like.
Oh, yah, Varek finally admitted he's a closet Sith, D_F joined the local Communist Glee Club and Walter is selling bottles of used CO2.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:24:07am |
re: #176 kirkspencer
If I saw that, I'd think Mel Brooks was staging another version of the Producers nearby and fall out of my chair laughing.
"Will all the dancing Hitlers please leave! We are only seeing singing Hitlers!"
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:24:37am |
re: #174 Sergey Romanov
Is there a chance that anything positive will come out of this hearing? Like, King and Republicans will end up looking as obvious douches, etc.?
Mission Accomplished.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:24:42am |
re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Mission accomplished.
Not until his name enters the language symbolizing the new McCarthyism...
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:25:04am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:25:23am |
re: #181 Varek Raith
Mission Accomplished.
For like-minded folks, yes. For an average guy on the street?
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Kragar Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:26:09am |
re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist
"Will all the dancing Hitlers please leave! We are only seeing singing Hitlers!"
"They loose me right after the Bunker scene."
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:26:52am |
re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist
"Will all the dancing Hitlers please leave! We are only seeing singing Hitlers!"
RIP Franz Liebking (Kenny Mars)
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Kragar Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:27:14am |
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iossarian Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:27:28am |
re: #185 Sergey Romanov
For like-minded folks, yes. For an average guy on the street?
The average guy on the street will not see any of this (too busy watching Flossing With The Celebrities).
But he will notice that Congress is conducting hearings into Muslim Terrorism.
Which is, of course, the point.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:27:33am |
By the way for good Hitler gags, [Link: www.hipsterhitler.com...] is hilarious. It's Hitler if he were a hipster.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:27:56am |
re: #173 RadicalModerate
They should consider it...when the SPLC has as its leader someone who uses David Duke's mailing lists and speaks to white nationalist groups (you know, like Tony Perkins did).
She was mad about Pam Geller's group.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:28:03am |
And now it's time for special needs to children to get fucked by our awesome GOP Congress:
Special Olympics? What's So Special About Them?
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
I'm sure Sarah Palin will be tweeting her outrage momentarily.
//
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:28:20am |
We now have a custom wingnut tag as suggested by negativ. For example, here's a quote from Pamela Geller, surrounded by the wingnut tag:
This is what it must have looked like in pre-war Nazi Germany. One after another, they all fall down.
The ALA is the same craven organization that caved and cancelled Robert Spencer in 2009 after Hamas-linked CAIR demanded adherence to Islamic law. "Do not defame or insult Islam." The ALA accommodates the sharia.
You may have to reload the page to see the wingnut font.
To use the tag yourself, surround the wingnut quote with starting and ending tags, like so:
[ wingnut ]Raving wingnut quote ...[ /wingnut ]
(Take out the spaces from the tags.)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:29:07am |
re: #192 iossarian
The average guy on the street will not see any of this (too busy watching Flossing With The Celebrities).
But he will notice that Congress is conducting hearings into Muslim Terrorism.
Which is, of course, the point.
Yes, which is why I'm skeptical of Mission Accomplished. (Esp. since this slogan has a history...)
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:29:51am |
re: #198 Sergey Romanov
Yes, which is why I'm skeptical of Mission Accomplished. (Esp. since this slogan has a history...)
I get to wear a flight suit???
Sweet!
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:30:39am |
re: #197 Charles
We now have a custom wingnut tag as suggested by negativ. For example, here's a quote from Pamela Geller, surrounded by the wingnut tag:
You may have to reload the page to see the wingnut font.
To use the tag yourself, surround the wingnut quote with starting and ending tags, like so:
Raving wingnut quote ...
Now you're talking! Let's test it.
Righteous.
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iossarian Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:30:39am |
re: #196 moderatelyradicalliberal
And now it's time for special needs to children to get fucked by our awesome GOP Congress:
Special Olympics? What's So Special About Them?
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
I'm sure Sarah Palin will be tweeting her outrage momentarily.
//
Vindictive fucking assholes.
The GOP is beyond parody at this point.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:31:05am |
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:32:14am |
Jeff Duncan, I have a bridge you may be interested in.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:32:28am |
The wingnut tag isn't quite working correctly yet - if there's more than one paragraph, only the first uses the wingnut font. I know what's causing it and I'll have a solution soon...
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BongCrodny Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:32:31am |
re: #197 Charles
We now have a custom wingnut tag as suggested by negativ. For example, here's a quote from Pamela Geller, surrounded by the wingnut tag:
You may have to reload the page to see the wingnut font.
To use the tag yourself, surround the wingnut quote with starting and ending tags, like so:
Raving wingnut quote ...
Just doesn't look crazy enough.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:32:43am |
Yeah, this committee is not aimed at any particular religion...but we wonder why we're not singling out Islam for worry?
Yeah, truly a mental giant. *rolls eyes*
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:32:53am |
We urgently need hearings on the radicalization of Irish-Americans. They are foreign, Papist and might have affiliation with foreign terrorists.
And they are about to go on their annual rampage next Thursday, so we had better be well prepared...
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RadicalModerate Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:32:59am |
And Jeff Duncan brings out the dog whistles.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:33:16am |
re: #196 moderatelyradicalliberal
And now it's time for special needs to children to get fucked by our awesome GOP Congress:
Special Olympics? What's So Special About Them?
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
I'm sure Sarah Palin will be tweeting her outrage momentarily.
//
Knowing her, she'll blame liberals and Democrats who "hate" special needs kids. That really is a shame though. What's the point of cutting the Special Olympics? Just seems like the author suggests, a jab at the Kennedy's.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:33:42am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:34:14am |
re: #212 HappyWarrior
And I only have two beers left. Damn you Sharia.
Beer?! Off with your head!
///
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:35:40am |
We had a moment of clarity and sanity...and then the Tea Partier jumped up and started screaming about Shariah and the need to get people "aware" of "Islamism."
I thought they disbanded the HUAC back in the 70's?
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iossarian Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:37:05am |
Did Jasser just say we couldn't be allies with the MB because they're not "secular"?
WHAT ABOUT THE GOP, FUCKSTICK? ARE THEY SECULAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?
CAN WE BE ALLIES WITH THE JESUS-LOVES-THE-LITTLE-CEOS PARTY?
FUCK!
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:37:11am |
The hypocrisy of evangelist christians complaining about sharia is mind-blowing.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:37:37am |
(trying out thge wingnut font)
Jeff Duncan (R-Batcave):
I am outraged, outraged, at this administrations failure to point out our enemy.....threat of Shariah law to the United States Constitution.
Sheesh! Well, Jeff, the guys who operate our attack drones are part of Obama's executive branch, and they make a regular practice of pointing out our enemies, for Hellfire missiles no less. Many others do likewise, often at considerable risk and expense.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:38:06am |
"We could have had a hearing about how Christianity is radicalizing young American boys. We could have, we did not."
Thank you, Mr. Green.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:38:18am |
re: #221 Gus 802
What did Green say? The feed cuts out every 30 seconds or so for me, and i have to reload the page to get it playing again.
Fuck RCN. Worst ISP ever.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:38:40am |
re: #225 Fozzie Bear
What did Green say? The feed cuts out every 30 seconds or so for me, and i have to reload the page to get it playing again.
Fuck RCN. Worst ISP ever.
See 223.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:39:17am |
re: #157 Charles
Thanks for mentioning my Jasser page in the article. It seems to have awoken a couple of sleepers. You seem to be hitting a lot of nerves lately, so you must be doing something right, heh.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:39:37am |
Go Pascrell!!!!
THERE IS NO FUCKING "OTHER SIDE".
This man wins the day, imo.
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Interesting Times Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:39:55am |
re: #205 Charles
The wingnut tag isn't quite working correctly yet - if there's more than one paragraph, only the first uses the wingnut font. I know what's causing it and I'll have a solution soon...
For added authenticity, could we make it a different color too, like bright red or pink? :)
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:40:03am |
"You keep talking about the 'other side,' but I don't know what the hell you're talking about. We're all in this together."
God, a little fresh air now and then is a lifesaver.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:40:34am |
re: #230 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"You keep talking about the 'other side,' but I don't know what the hell you're talking about. We're all in this together."
God, a little fresh air now and then is a lifesaver.
Nice
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:41:12am |
re: #232 Killgore Trout
Wow. this is still going on?
It got wingnutty real quick the last half hour or so.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:41:30am |
Heh. Try to make a fun little feature and it ends up getting more and more complicated. I'll have the wingnut quote feature working soon; more involved than I originally thought, because of our comment-filtering methods.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:41:57am |
Frankly I'm more worried about fundamentalist Christians trying to make this a Calvinist state than I am Muslims trying to implement Sharia. It ain't elected Muslim government officials I hear bemoaning the fact that separation of church and state exists.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:42:37am |
re: #232 Killgore Trout
It takes a while to identify exactly who the "real americans" are. /
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:42:45am |
re: #232 Killgore Trout
Wow. this is still going on?
Yeah, they haven't blown the dog whistle enough times yet. We just had the gentleman from SC going on about Shariah law and "Islamism."
But there are bright spots, with the Dems on the committee giving us a few minutes of sanity now and then.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:43:14am |
re: #233 Varek Raith
It got wingnutty real quick the last half hour or so.
Bummer sorry I missed it. This are heating up now.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:43:49am |
"This hearing isn't about religion."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:44:11am |
And Green's still giving them hell. There is, in fact, still some with sanity within Texas!
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:44:24am |
re: #238 Killgore Trout
Bummer sorry I missed it. This are heating up now.
Ever since the sheriff left.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:45:34am |
Thank God there isn't a drinking game going on with this, because if I had to down a shot every time they told us "this isn't about religion," I'd have long ago dropped dead from alcohol poisoning.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:45:43am |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:46:50am |
It's not about religion? Yeah I am sure they'd be saying the same thing if it was Christianity. We'd be hearing about how this is proof that Christians are being persecuted. Muslims are an acceptable target because they're a minority group with little political influence. The whole thing reeks of the worst excesses of Know Nothing politics.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:47:20am |
re: #243 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Thank God there isn't a drinking game going on with this, because if I had to down a shot every time they told us "this isn't about religion," I'd have long ago dropped dead from alcohol poisoning.
Have another drink!
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:47:44am |
re: #222 Shiplord Kirel
(trying out thge wingnut font)
Jeff Duncan (R-Batcave):
I am outraged, outraged, at this administrations failure to point out our enemy...threat of Shariah law to the United States Constitution.
Sheesh! Well, Jeff, the guys who operate our attack drones are part of Obama's executive branch, and they make a regular practice of pointing out our enemies, for Hellfire missiles no less. Many others do likewise, often at considerable risk and expense.
re: #234 Charles
Heh. Try to make a fun little feature and it ends up getting more and more complicated. I'll have the wingnut quote feature working soon; more involved than I originally thought, because of our comment-filtering methods.
It'll keep you from getting bored.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:48:15am |
re: #245 HappyWarrior
It's not about religion? Yeah I am sure they'd be saying the same thing if it was Christianity. We'd be hearing about how this is proof that Christians are being persecuted. Muslims are an acceptable target because they're a minority group with little political influence. The whole thing reeks of the worst excesses of Know Nothing politics.
I would very much like to see hearings like this about child abuse from priests but it would never happen.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:48:22am |
re: #245 HappyWarrior
It's not about religion? Yeah I am sure they'd be saying the same thing if it was Christianity. We'd be hearing about how this is proof that Christians are being persecuted. Muslims are an acceptable target because they're a minority group with little political influence. The whole thing reeks of the worst excesses of Know Nothing politics.
Al Green already came down on them hard about that. That the KKK has been active in this nation for over a 100 years, terrorizing folks in the name of a white Christian God, yet there's been no hearings on the KKK. There's nobody having hearings on how Christianity radicalizes American boys. It's all Islam, all the time, yet...it's not about religion. Bullshit.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:49:34am |
re: #251 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Al Green already came down on them hard about that. That the KKK has been active in this nation for over a 100 years, terrorizing folks in the name of a white Christian God, yet there's been no hearings on the KKK. There's nobody having hearings on how Christianity radicalizes American boys. It's all Islam, all the time, yet...it's not about religion. Bullshit.
Well then Al Green is officially awesome in my book.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:49:47am |
The Committee of Flag-Humping Bigots has adjourned.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:51:00am |
Did anyone from CAIR testify? Were they invited?
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:51:01am |
re: #254 Gus 802
It really is too bad that Pam Geller wasn't there.
Thank God, I don't think my eardrums could have survived that sort of onslaught.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:51:43am |
re: #223 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"We could have had a hearing about how Christianity is radicalizing young American boys. We could have, we did not."
Thank you, Mr. Green.
We could have heard about how Republican Congressmen are radicalizing scientifically ignorant Christians.//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:51:48am |
Is Spencer involved in these hearings in any way?
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:51:57am |
re: #256 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Thank God, I don't think my eardrums could have survived that sort of onslaught.
True. But think of the increased bad publicity it would have created.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:53:26am |
re: #260 Gus 802
True. But think of the increased bad publicity it would have created.
If a crazed harpy screams insanity on TV and nobody tunes in to hear it, does she make any sense?
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abolitionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:54:28am |
"The entire hearing will re-air tonight at 10, Eastern time" on CSPAN. Didn't see who said that.
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stevemcg Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:55:10am |
re: #213 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That's what the drunk mohel said.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:55:32am |
CAIR Submits Written Testimony for King Hearing
The testimony, submitted by the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and published online, includes information about the "troubling genesis" of the hearing and debunks Rep. King's false claims that "extremists" control most American mosques and that Muslims do not cooperate with law enforcement. It also debunks false allegations made today by Rep. King and Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA) against CAIR.
CAIR's testimony also outlines how the organization's constitutionally-informed engagement with law enforcement undermines violent extremist narratives.
Could be worth fact checking. The whole thing here. It's pretty long.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:56:29am |
re: #264 Killgore Trout
CAIR Submits Written Testimony for King Hearing
Could be worth fact checking. The whole thing here. It's pretty long.
Frank Wolf is part of this? He's my rep.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:59:57am |
I'm more interested in King's past support of the IRA.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:01:52am |
re: #265 HappyWarrior
Frank Wolf is part of this? He's my rep.
Cair's rebuttal of the Holy Land allegation is pretty weak.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:03:22am |
WTF is FoxNews going on about Clapper for?
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:03:22am |
They kept talking about the "elephant in the room" the last half hour or so that I saw. The only elephant I saw was the Republicans on the committee going on and on about how this isn't about religion, isn't about persecution, and then proceeding to slam Islam ("radical" Islam, "political" Islam, "Islamism") and talk about how we need to identify it as our "enemy."
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:03:36am |
OK, here's another try with that Pamela Geller quote and the new wingnut tag:
This is what it must have looked like in pre-war Nazi Germany. One after another, they all fall down.
The ALA is the same craven organization that caved and cancelled Robert Spencer in 2009 after Hamas-linked CAIR demanded adherence to Islamic law. "Do not defame or insult Islam." The ALA accommodates the sharia.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:04:23am |
re: #253 Fozzie Bear
The Committee of Flag-Humping Bigots has adjourned.
LOL, you sure do have a way with words, Fozzie.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:05:15am |
The wingnut tag is turned into a blockquote with a special style, so you don't need to use blockquote in addition to wingnut.
Just surround the wingnut text with:
[ wingnut ] ... [ /wingnut ]
(Without the spaces in the tags.)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:06:08am |
MUZZLIMZ!!!1
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:06:16am |
Again, you'll have to reload the page to get the new CSS styles for this special tag.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:06:45am |
re: #276 Charles
Again, you'll have to reload the page to get the new CSS styles for this special tag.
Aha!
Sweet.
:)
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Stanghazi Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:07:33am |
re: #259 Sergey Romanov
Is Spencer involved in these hearings in any way?
Read Curious Lurker's page that's referenced on this post. I believe it's mentioned that King had to dis-invite many of the more radical anti Islam speakers.
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Stanghazi Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:07:49am |
re: #279 Stanley Sea
Read Curious Lurker's page that's referenced on this post. I believe it's mentioned that King had to dis-invite many of the more radical anti Islam speakers.
In the comments.
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Fart Knocker Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:08:10am |
re: #251 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Al Green already came down on them hard about that. That the KKK has been active in this nation for over a 100 years, terrorizing folks in the name of a white Christian God, yet there's been no hearings on the KKK. There's nobody having hearings on how Christianity radicalizes American boys. It's all Islam, all the time, yet...it's not about religion. Bullshit.
There have been a couple (at least) hearings on the KKK.
[Link: historymatters.gmu.edu...]
[Link: phs-1.d214.org...]
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:08:10am |
re: #272 Charles
Testing.
Why didn't they bring up Obama's Islamic faith during these hearings? Even the Republicans are scared to talk about it.
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abolitionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:08:23am |
re: #255 Killgore Trout
Did anyone from CAIR testify? Were they invited?
See second link in the video playlist:
Coalition to Challenge "Misinformation" in King Hearings Press Conference
The intro speaker identifies himself as a CAIR rep, and announces meetings beginning tomorrow.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:09:06am |
Purple just seems appropriate for a wingnut color, for some reason.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:09:49am |
re: #284 Charles
Purple just seems appropriate for a wingnut color, for some reason.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:09:52am |
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RadicalModerate Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:10:31am |
Rep. Peter King is making a statement on C-Span now.
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barflytom Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:10:36am |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to admit that you can make me cry with songs about Bobby Sands. That said, King's a freaking apologist for terror.
My favourite is "Would you like a chicken supper Bobby Sands..."
I'm astonished that you could have an ounce of sympathy for a convicted terrorist, but then again I've long since given up trying to explain the Brit side of the issue to Americans.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:12:58am |
Dan Lundgren just said that this hearing is an extension of hearings that were held regarding radical prison populations, equating Muslims with incarcerated criminals.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:13:18am |
Oh, look! A third sleeper awakes on my Jasser page.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:13:30am |
re: #289 barflytom
My favourite is "Would you like a chicken supper Bobby Sands..."
I'm astonished that you could have an ounce of sympathy for a convicted terrorist, but then again I've long since given up trying to explain the Brit side of the issue to Americans.
The Irish suffered more at the hands of the IRA than anyone. (I'm not implying that you implied otherwise, but it's worth repeating.)
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:14:12am |
re: #291 CuriousLurker
Oh, look! A third sleeper awakes on my Jasser page.
I sense a disturbance in the force. The hate emails will be flying tonight.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:15:37am |
Remember when the Obama administration took heat for having a report that suggested that white supremacist organizations would try to recruit military vets. Well here Rep King and his buddies are singling out an entire religion and there's no outrage. Seriously, the anti Muslim bigotry that some possess in this country is akin to some of the worst forms of religious intolerance we've seen in our past. Sometimes you think we've learned from our past mistakes and then you see this.
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Big Steve Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:15:56am |
re: #293 Gus 802
I sense a disturbance in the force. The hate emails will be flying tonight.
Speaking of hate mail......I see that the left can also issue death threats....Lawmakers Receive Death Threats
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RadicalModerate Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:16:08am |
And Peter King (who was quoted in 2007 as saying "There are too many mosques in this country") says he's glad that there wasn't any marginalization of Muslims in his hearings. Apparently he wasn't listening to the same hearings as we were.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:17:09am |
re: #291 CuriousLurker
Oh, look! A third sleeper awakes on my Jasser page.
Wingnut Bat Signals.
Got to be it.
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Gus Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:17:21am |
re: #295 Big Steve
Speaking of hate mail...I see that the left can also issue death threats...Lawmakers Receive Death Threats
Heh.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:18:38am |
re: #294 HappyWarrior
There was an attempt to retitle these hearings as ones on "Religious Raidalization in America" but there was not enough red meat in that.
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barflytom Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:20:04am |
re: #292 Fozzie Bear
The Irish suffered more at the hands of the IRA than anyone. (I'm not implying that you implied otherwise, but it's worth repeating.)
I should have said the "Unionist" side of the issue perhaps.
If you take the whole history of the IRA, then you're correct by any definition. If you're referring to Protestants in Northern Ireland as "Irish", then you might be rather missing the point.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:20:21am |
re: #267 Killgore Trout
Cair's rebuttal of the Holy Land allegation is pretty weak.
At least the "unindicted co-conspirator" part is convincing. I think it's self-obvious bullshit. Have evidence - indict, otherwise shut up. It's just a smear. No wonder it was recently knocked off by another court. The status should only be used for someone with immunity, like a President.
For the rest - I don't know.
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McSpiff Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:21:26am |
re: #301 barflytom
I should have said the "Unionist" side of the issue perhaps.
If you take the whole history of the IRA, then you're correct by any definition. If you're referring to Protestants in Northern Ireland as "Irish", then you might be rather missing the point.
The IRA has killed plenty of Catholics in "Counter-intelligence" operations, plus many more tortured. I say that as someone with republican sympathizes.
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Girth Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:22:06am |
re: #5 Charles
Paul Broun says he doesn't think there's a single Republican who's Islamophobic.
In other news, there are no gay people in Iran.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:23:36am |
re: #300 ralphieboy
There was an attempt to retitle these hearings as ones on "Religious Raidalization in America" but there was not enough red meat in that.
Of course not, if it were more general, Christian radicals may come up, and the Christian Right refuses to acknowledge that they themselves have some pretty despciable organizations and people. Hello, Randall Terry, Tony Perkins, and countless others.
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McSpiff Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:23:53am |
re: #305 Girth
In other news, there are no gay people in Iran.
We were at the bar one night, all night, when one of our Iranian friends imparted that bit of knowledge on us.
"Oh, so that's why you came to Canada."
Timing is everything.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:24:28am |
re: #264 Killgore Trout
CAIR attempts to minimize the seriousness of Islamic terrorism and jihad as factor by noting a study that found that since the 9/11 attacks, only 33 people were killed in Muslim terror attacks. That would discount those who have been arrested, indicted, and/or convicted of terrorism intended to carry out mass casualty attacks far and above the number of people actually killed. Indeed, it ignores that in any number of thwarted attacks, the number of people who were potentially injured or killed could be in the hundreds to thousands.
Consider that the 1993 WTC bombers killed 6 people. They wounded over 1,000 when they blew up the truck bomb in the basement of the WTC complex - but the intent was the demolish the tower - murdering 25,000 people in the process.
Similarly, plots to blow up airplanes (the Stewart Airport/Bronx synagogue plot) could have killed hundreds). The plot to blow up JFK airport fuel farm/gas delivery was intended to kill thousands. The plot to attack various landmarks was intended to carry out murder on a massive scale.
The Times Square bomb that fizzled would have killed dozens and/or wounded hundreds or more.
We're lucky that these plots were caught before they could be carried to fruition or fizzled (or were prevented by quick thinking onlookers). It doesn't detract from the seriousness of those charged and what they intended to do - or the ideology behind what they intended to do, which relates to their version of Islam and the teachings by those who espouse jihad.
There is a difference between what they have managed to do and what they intended to do - and that difference is due in large part to law enforcement thwarting plots before they could do further harm.
I'm glad though that the Muslim community is stepping forward to provide assistance to law enforcement to root out the jihadis in their midst and kudos go to those who are leading that effort.
Had King focused on extremist ideology (from all its sources, including fundamentalist Christian terrorism that would include attacking abortion providers, anti-government groups, neo Nazis, white supremacists, etc.) - rather than Muslim extremism - he would have made much more sense than focusing solely on Muslim terrorism since terrorism in the US is not confined to one group or source of inspiration.
Instead, he's gone and sought to demonize an entire community - many of whom are trying to do the right thing.
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Girth Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:27:18am |
re: #306 Varek Raith
Megyn Kelly.
Annoying as hell.
:/
I'd rather watch Beck at this point. At least I can laugh at him from time to time. I can't take Megyn's Two Hours Hate.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:28:43am |
re: #302 Sergey Romanov
At least the "unindicted co-conspirator" part is convincing. I think it's self-obvious bullshit. Have evidence - indict, otherwise shut up. It's just a smear. No wonder it was recently knocked off by another court. The status should only be used for someone with immunity, like a President.
For the rest - I don't know.
They were included to leave the door open for future legal action. They were very clearly and knowingly sending money to Hamas. As I recall they put up a "donate to help the 9-11 victims" button on its site after Sept. 11 which linked to The Holy Land Foundation. They used 9-11 to raise money for Hamas. I know the winguts have poisoned the debate but CAIR is a very big problem.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:30:57am |
re: #311 Killgore Trout
They were included to leave the door open for future legal action. They were very clearly and knowingly sending money to Hamas. As I recall they put up a "donate to help the 9-11 victims" button on its site after Sept. 11 which linked to The Holy Land Foundation. They used 9-11 to raise money for Hamas. I know the winguts have poisoned the debate but CAIR is a very big problem.
Again - maybe. I'm only agreeing with them that the status is bullshit. The court agreed too. They can lock up CAIR as far as I'm concerned - if they have sufficient evidence.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:31:32am |
Jesus Christ!
Megyn Kelly keeps going on about the protests in Madison and completely ignores what the TeaParty has done.
:/
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:32:11am |
re: #314 Varek Raith
Jesus Christ!
Megyn Kelly keeps going on about the protests in Madison and completely ignores what the TeaParty has done.
:/
She's an idiot. It almost goes without saying, as she is a Fox employee, but it's the truth.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:33:06am |
re: #315 Fozzie Bear
She's an idiot. It almost goes without saying, as she is a Fox employee, but it's the truth.
This is what happens when I "broaden my horizons".
:/
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:34:56am |
re: #309 lawhawk
All good points. People shouldn't pretend that there are no problems at all with radicalization among Muslims - it's clear that we need to be aware of the extent, and do what we can to defuse it and deal with the causes, while preventing attacks from the fanatics who are already too far gone.
But by focusing exclusively on Muslims, King's agenda also became very clear. Islam has become one of the GOP's scariest demons with which to frighten the public, and that was the original motive behind this debacle. It was watered down quite a bit after the criticism started; I'm sure if people hadn't screamed, Spencer, Gaffney, Brigitte Gabriel, and maybe even the Geller-thing would have been called to testify.
If the Republicans had widened the scope and included other extremists, like the homegrown terrorist who tried to bomb the Spokane MLK parade, or the anti-choice fanatic who murdered Dr. Tiller, or the numerous "Patriot" movement organizations, it would have been harder to criticize them for the obvious bigotry of targeting one highly visible, already demonized group.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:36:01am |
re: #196 moderatelyradicalliberal
And now it's time for special needs to children to get fucked by our awesome GOP Congress:
Special Olympics? What's So Special About Them?
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
I'm sure Sarah Palin will be tweeting her outrage momentarily.
//
Man, the weak and the poor can expect no mercy from these assholes.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:36:14am |
re: #313 Sergey Romanov
The issue of unindicted co-conspirators (UCC) is taken up in the DOJ Attorney's Manual.
9-11.130
Limitation on Naming Persons as Unindicted Co-Conspirators
The practice of naming individuals as unindicted co-conspirators in an indictment charging a criminal conspiracy has been severely criticized in United States v. Briggs, 514 F.2d 794 (5th Cir. 1975).Ordinarily, there is no need to name a person as an unindicted co-conspirator in an indictment in order to fulfill any legitimate prosecutorial interest or duty. For purposes of indictment itself, it is sufficient, for example, to allege that the defendant conspired with "another person or persons known." The identity of the person can be supplied, upon request, in a bill of particulars. See USAM 9-27.760. With respect to the trial, the person's identity and status as a co-conspirator can be established, for evidentiary purposes, through the introduction of proof sufficient to invoke the co-conspirator hearsay exception without subjecting the person to the burden of a formal accusation by a grand jury.
In the absence of some significant justification, federal prosecutors generally should not identify unindicted co-conspirators in conspiracy indictments. See USAM 9-16.500; 9-27.760.
The naming of the UCC may be due to pressuring the group to cooperate, leave the door open to future prosecution, and the failure to prosecute may be due to the same - or because the difficulty in proving a conspiracy existed based on the evidence at hand.
CAIR's involvement with Hamas and the HLF didn't pass the smell test, but didn't rise to the level necessary to open a prosecution unless more evidence can come to light showing that relationship.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:37:18am |
re: #317 Charles
I think it's also important to understand that you couldn't design a better way to help the process of radicalizing Muslims in the US than a witch hunt like this. They are doing a better job of recruiting for the crazies than the crazies could ever do by themselves.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:37:25am |
Homegrown terrorism is certainly an issue but we need to look at all groups not single out Muslims. Of course, some will say that's a "politically correct" response. It's the reasonable one given that there have been many terrorist acts and plots by non Muslims. The man who shot Giffords and the others in Arizona was a non Muslim, the nut at the Discovery Channel building in Silver Spring the same, and the recent neo-Nazi in Spokane. And those are who came to my mind with one minute of thinking.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:38:10am |
re: #320 Fozzie Bear
And doing a better job of making sure that normal, moderate Muslims won't contact law enforcement about radicals in their midst, as well. Why bother, when you're all painted with the same brush?
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Kragar Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:38:23am |
re: #314 Varek Raith
Jesus Christ!
Megyn Kelly keeps going on about the protests in Madison and completely ignores what the TeaParty has done.
:/
Just watch her with the volume off.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:38:55am |
Developing: Saudi police opened fire on protesters with tear gas and stun grenades and at least one person was injured. The Saudis are trying to thwart protests from melding into the kind of uprisings seen elsewhere in the ME and North Africa.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:40:30am |
Megyn Kelly is remarkably ugly for someone who is so physically attractive. It's amazing. She is so nasty and mean even my johnson can't see past her personality.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:43:25am |
re: #325 Fozzie Bear
Megyn Kelly is remarkably ugly for someone who is so physically attractive. It's amazing. She is so nasty and mean even my johnson can't see past her personality.
If you ask Jon Stewart she is not ugly, just simply stupid.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:45:01am |
re: #326 Naso Tang
If you ask Jon Stewart she is not ugly, just simply stupid.
I sense more calculating meanness than simple stupidity from her, but maybe you are right. Maybe she's just a sucker like the rest of the GOP electorate.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:46:47am |
re: #321 HappyWarrior
Don't forget the abortion doctors.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:47:20am |
Republicans Vow To Ignore Serious Budget Suggestions, Continue Government By Petty Vendetta
might think about jobs someday if unemployed people donate enough to RNC
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:48:58am |
re: #317 Charles
If the Republicans had widened the scope and included other extremists, like the homegrown terrorist who tried to bomb the Spokane MLK parade, or the anti-choice fanatic who murdered Dr. Tiller, or the numerous "Patriot" movement organizations, it would have been harder to criticize them for the obvious bigotry of targeting one highly visible, already demonized group.
I think that would have been impossibly broad. Even the DHS writes up separate memo's on wight wing groups, left wing groups and Islamic groups. The issues, motivations and tactics are all different. It would have been very difficult to make this hearing productive even under ideal circumstances. In today's right wing environment it's just useless because all the hysteria opposing the building of mosques, halal food and other infringements on the religious freedom of Muslims.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:50:12am |
re: #328 CuriousLurker
Don't forget the abortion doctors.
Yep, that too. It's pathetic really. Iceweasel posted a page about how post 9-11 tehre have been twice as much terrorist attacks committed by non Muslims. Yet the knuckledraggers are using the people who did the 9-11 atttacks as somehow representative of the American Muslim population and as someone who has known American Muslims from an early age, I know how offensive and insulting this is. It's really scary to read the comments of some people who think you can't be a good American and a Muslim at the same time.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:51:10am |
re: #327 Fozzie Bear
I sense more calculating meanness than simple stupidity from her, but maybe you are right. Maybe she's just a sucker like the rest of the GOP electorate.
In truth she often strikes me as stupid in the way she will ask questions when the answer is obvious, but she did get a law degree so maybe not. She would however not have the job if she didn't parrot the Fox line, so perhaps it is just the money.
Note that their affection for blond bimbos (apologies to real blonds) suggests she is there for appearance as much as anything.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:51:16am |
re: #331 HappyWarrior
Yeah, I saw that page. Interesting stuff.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:51:30am |
re: #329 engineer dog
Republicans Vow To Ignore Serious Budget Suggestions, Continue Government By Petty Vendetta
might think about jobs someday if unemployed people donate enough to RNC
As long as the GOP can continue to convince enough unemployed that they are the party most likely to get them a job, then they will continue to get votes from these people, which is a good return on investment...
Problem is that a lot of these unemployed are black and Latino, and almost completely turned off the GOP.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:52:39am |
re: #330 Killgore Trout
That's true, but King didn't make this part of a series of hearings on the subject of extremist groups in the US, motivations, and threat assessment. Rather, he focused solely on one group - Islamic terrorism.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:54:45am |
re: #335 lawhawk
That's true, but King didn't make this part of a series of hearings on the subject of extremist groups in the US, motivations, and threat assessment. Rather, he focused solely on one group - Islamic terrorism.
Ah, ok. I agree, separate hearings on various other potentially dangerous groups would have been a good idea.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:59:54pm |
re: #2 Gus 802
This hearing is essentially a violation of the Establishment Clause. It's unconstitutional.
Yep
Country's getting uglier and uglier each minute
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abolitionist Thu, Mar 10, 2011 3:13:51pm |
re: #335 lawhawk
That's true, but King didn't make this part of a series of hearings on the subject of extremist groups in the US, motivations, and threat assessment. Rather, he focused solely on one group - Islamic terrorism.
In his comments to the press after the hearing, King mentioned that the next hearing is planning on focusing on recruitment and radicalization in our prison systems, sometime later this year. That's enough of a constraint, I think, that varieties of extremism could be and should be covered.
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