By Focusing Only on Muslims, King’s Agenda is Clear

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My take on the Peter King hearings:

People shouldn’t pretend that there are no problems at all with radicalization among Muslims — clearly, we need to be aware of the extent, and do what we can to defuse it and deal with its causes, while preventing attacks from any fanatics who are already too far gone.

But by focusing exclusively on Muslims, King’s agenda also became very clear. Islam has become one of the GOP’s scariest demons with which to frighten the public, and that was the original motive behind this debacle. It was watered down quite a bit after the criticism started; I’m sure if people hadn’t screamed, Robert Spencer, Frank Gaffney, Brigitte Gabriel, and maybe even Pamela Geller would have been called to testify, and then it would have turned into a real circus.

If the Republicans had widened the scope and included other extremists, like the neo-Nazi who tried to bomb the Spokane MLK parade, or the anti-choice fanatic who murdered Dr. Tiller, or the numerous “Patriot” movement organizations, or the racist hate groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens, it would have been harder to criticize them for the evident bigotry of targeting one highly visible, already highly demonized group.

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117 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:53:15am

Red Meat

2 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:54:52am
If the Republicans had widened the scope and included other extremists

Ah, but then they might have to acknowledge the prescience of that April 2009 DHS report. Never.gonna.happen.

3 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:56:00am

In the end, domestic terrorism is a law enforcement problem, always has been, and always will be. If you focus on that aspect of it, it makes sense to have discussions about tactics, strategies, and efficacy.

Framing it directly in terms of religion is not only ineffective, but also ultimately helpful to terrorist recruitment efforts.

4 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:57:28am

Or the guy who shot up the Holocaust museum, or the bank bombers, or the IRS plane crash guy, or the Hutaree militia, or the neo nazi militias in AZ, or the guy who attacked the Pentagon, well you get the idea...

5 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:58:56am

Charles, I agree with your first two paragraphs, but as for the third, I agree with Killgore Trout's comment on the last thread --that it would raise far too many issues for a productive discussion.

Re-airing beginning..

6 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:00:15pm

Meanwhile the NAACP has recognized the bigotry at work:
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

7 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:03:31pm

re: #5 abolitionist

The solution would have been to hold a series of hearings - you could have made this the first in a series of hearings about extremist ideology and terrorism, allowing experts to discuss the motivations and commonalities and differences between various groups that promote, condone, or carry out terrorism. The series could have included separate hearings on right-wing extremism, left wing (including eco-terrorism), neo Nazi/white power, separatists, and anti-government groups.

8 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:03:34pm

If someone wants to kill a lot of people and doesn't care if he survives the effort, he will be successful some of the time. This is just an unavoidable truth. We can and should try to catch these people before they can hurt anyone, but in the end, we are only ever going to be partially successful. Some will get through, and people will die. That's life. It's tragic, but it's inevitable in today's world.

In the long term, the most effective thing we can do is enfranchise the disenfranchised, and marginalize the crazies. We have to find ways to reduce the appeal of extremist groups to those most vulnerable to their recruitment efforts.

What Rep. King is doing only makes it harder to succeed at those efforts. you don't talk a potential radical off the ledge by telling him his religion is dangerous to society. That will just push them off the ledge into crazyland.

King isn't just stupid, he is dangerously stupid.

9 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:04:02pm

re: #5 abolitionist

Charles, I agree with your first two paragraphs, but as for the third, I agree with Killgore Trout's comment on the last thread --that it would raise far too many issues for a productive discussion.

Re-airing beginning..

Lawhawk clarified; This is part of a series of hearings. They could easily have had a few hearings on Islamist terrorism, A few of wingnut terrorism. I suppose you could have one on lefty ecoterrorists or cyber terrorists like Anonymous. It would have helped to create the impression that they're actually concerned about terrorism instead of persecuting Muslims.

10 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:04:08pm

re: #6 Thanos

That's very well-written, and very sensible.

I can't tell how much of this insanity is a cynical political ploy by the GOP, who know they have very little else to run on, and how much it stupidity and ideological adherence to the idea that Islam is evil and anti-American.

It's bigotry either way, though.

11 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:04:27pm

I'd like to see a hearing about all those" Christian" groups designated as hate groups by the SPLC.

12 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:05:26pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Lawhawk clarified; This is part of a series of hearings.

No, I said this could have been part of a series of hearings - but it wasn't:

The solution would have been to hold a series of hearings - you could have made this the first in a series of hearings about extremist ideology and terrorism,
13 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:07:36pm

this is just plain-old xenophobia

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:12:39pm

Awww. Stephen Colbert showed up for his show last night with ashes.

15 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:13:47pm

one of the most admirable things george w bush ever did as president was to go to extraordinary lengths to demonstrate that he was not attacking peaceful american muslims, only terrorism

all wasted

16 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:15:29pm

re: #15 engineer dog

I don't think it's wasted.

17 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:15:40pm

OT - Last night the mother-in-law made a big batch of ceviche with the rock fish I caught sunday and fried up all the sand dabs...pure heaven.

18 nellpost  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:16:03pm

All I can say is I'm so glad I'm blond blue eyed white christian so I'm safe from the peterkings in America.

19 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:16:03pm

re: #1 ralphieboy

Red Meat

Pretty much. There was never any pretense of fairness or of really trying to confront terrorism or any sort of radicalism in this country. It was just a way for Peter King and the rest of the GOP douchebags to throw red meat at the rabid xenophobes and Muslim-haters that vote in the primaries. It's a way to keep the base pissed off and engaged, and nothing more.

20 nines09  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:16:09pm

re: #15 engineer dog

one of the most admirable things george w bush ever did as president was to go to extraordinary lengths to demonstrate that he was not attacking peaceful american muslims, only terrorism

all wasted


Guess he was a RINO.

21 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:17:05pm

re: #4 Thanos

Or the guy who shot up the Holocaust museum, or the bank bombers, or the IRS plane crash guy, or the Hutaree militia, or the neo nazi militias in AZ, or the guy who attacked the Pentagon, well you get the idea...

Pfft. Those are white people. They can't be radicals or terrorists. They're just "lone wolves", don'tcha know.

22 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:17:32pm

re: #8 Fozzie Bear

King isn't just stupid, he is dangerously stupid.

And there in lies the true brilliance!

Because think about it, it's hard to justify massive military spending without an enemy to point it against isn't it?

23 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:17:55pm

re: #20 nines09

Guess he was a RINO.

These days, Bush IS a RINO. The same people who spent eight years singing his praises now crucify him as a filthy RINO and say that he was never really a conservative.

24 Sionainn  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:18:19pm

What is supposed to be the end result of these hearings? I just don't get it.

25 brennant  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:18:51pm

re: #24 Sionainn

What is supposed to be the end result of these hearings? I just don't get it.

Fear brown people

26 Sionainn  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:19:31pm

re: #25 brennant

Fear brown people

Well, that's already been done and out there. Is he just trying to add more to the fearful?

27 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:19:45pm

re: #24 Sionainn

What is supposed to be the end result of these hearings? I just don't get it.

Getting scared white people to run to the voting booth and vote Republican.

28 brennant  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:19:58pm

re: #27 Lidane

Getting scared white people to run to the voting booth and vote Republican.

+1

29 Sionainn  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:21:15pm

re: #27 Lidane

Getting scared white people to run to the voting booth and vote Republican.

That's pathetic, though it'll probably work. It just makes people like me that much more sure that we won't vote for ANY Republican until they start acting like rational people.

30 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:24:53pm

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

Awww. Stephen Colbert showed up for his show last night with ashes.

My wife (a preschool teacher at a catholic school) came home with the smudges on her after work yesterday. I found it adorable, but she is sort of irritated with the more hocus-pocus aspects of her religion.

Even though she doesn't really believe in it anymore, she can't really leave the Church. As she puts it: "you don't get it honey. If I stop going to church I have to turn in my puerto rican membership card. Now that I am married to an atheist, if I leave the Church, they'll blame you."

31 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:25:14pm

Drive-by comment:

Somewhat related. Interesting numbers, esp. when compared to March 2002, only 6 months after 9/11.

Continuing Divide in Views of Islam and Violence

~~~Gone~~~

32 Fart Knocker  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:26:39pm

re: #23 Lidane

These days, Bush IS a RINO. The same people who spent eight years singing his praises now crucify him as a filthy RINO and say that he was never really a conservative.

Compared to the current GOP douchebags, Bush is a RINO.

33 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:30:19pm

re: #29 Sionainn

That's pathetic, though it'll probably work. It just makes people like me that much more sure that we won't vote for ANY Republican until they start acting like rational people.

Not only that, but ever increasing numbers of pasty white people [ work with / are married to / are related to by marriage / etc ] brown people. (Such as myself) Open racism is a monstrous demographic fail, politically, in the long term. the GOP just doesn't get that. My children will be brown. My extended white family has a woman with dark skin and an accent in it now. It changes the way people see each other.

My wife's enormous Puerto Rican family (all of whom vote) has swung from conservative to not exactly liberal, but rabidly anti-Republican in just a few years. This is going to destroy the GOP in the long run.

34 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:32:31pm

Didn't Bush make a speech recently at one of the Texas universities saying he was worried about a rise in nativist politics. Believe that got old Pat Buchanan really upset. Pat would know, since it's people like him that President Bush was talking about. It is so funny to me though to see Bush derided as a liberal and RINO by the same people who defended all his actions and shitted on his critics.

35 Kragar  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:32:47pm

OT, lots of billboards around town pronouncing that May 21 is Judgement Day.

36 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:33:37pm

OT here too but man it is raining and ugly as hell outside. The good news though is the new burger place on campus is not just close to where I live but also delicious.

37 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:35:41pm

What interested me about the Politico article, which referenced other, recent Muslim-terrorist related congressional hearings, was that it isn't exactly like no one's been paying attention or not trying to learn things about radicalization in the Muslim community. King and his conservative media enablers are trying to make it seem like no one's been on the case.

Anyway, my guess is the hearings are primarily for the purpose of stoking the base.

38 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:36:09pm

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

Awww. Stephen Colbert showed up for his show last night with ashes.

I couldn't help noticing that our Catholic Governor visited a part of the state that had a huge brush (and houses) fire on Ash Wednesday. Don't know if she got any on her.

39 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:36:27pm

From the Department of Stating the Obvious:

Bush Security Official: Al Qaeda Could Use King’s Anti-Muslim Narrative As A Recruiting Tool

“King risks helping to promote precisely the narrative Osama bin Laden and his sympathizers try to promote, namely dividing the world between Muslims and non-Muslims,” said Jennifer Bryson, a former counterterrorism official at the Defense Department. Al-Qaeda has used the same tactic as a recruiting tool, she said.

While the issue merits attention by Congress, said Matthew Levitt, former deputy chief of the Treasury Department’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis, King’s approach is “semantically shaped to point a finger at an entire community.”

40 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:37:13pm

re: #18 nellpost

All I can say is I'm so glad I'm blond blue eyed white christian so I'm safe from the peterkings in America.

Welcome, pasty hatchling.

41 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:37:58pm

re: #39 Lidane

From the Department of Stating the Obvious:

Bush Security Official: Al Qaeda Could Use King’s Anti-Muslim Narrative As A Recruiting Tool

Why, yes but she was part of that RINO Bush's administration. She's not a true conservative therefore we shouldn't listen to her.

42 shiplord kirel  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:38:18pm

re: #31 CuriousLurker

Drive-by comment:

Somewhat related. Interesting numbers, esp. when compared to March 2002, only 6 months after 9/11.

Continuing Divide in Views of Islam and Violence

~~~Gone~~~

That's a useful poll, and it definitely shows a deterioration in public attitudes just in the past few years. Even so, I tend to see religion less as a cause than as a handy rationalization for a course of action that has been decided for other reasons. This is probably more true of negative than of positive actions, since the latter would not require that their real motivations be obscured.

43 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:38:47pm

re: #39 Lidane

From the Department of Stating the Obvious:

Bush Security Official: Al Qaeda Could Use King’s Anti-Muslim Narrative As A Recruiting Tool

1000 times this.

44 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:38:49pm

re: #39 Lidane

From the Department of Stating the Obvious:

Bush Security Official: Al Qaeda Could Use King’s Anti-Muslim Narrative As A Recruiting Tool

They hate us because of our freedom.

45 Kragar  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:40:44pm

re: #44 Bulworth

They hate us because of our freedom.

The GOP is like that.

Thats who we're talking about right?

46 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:41:10pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

Didn't Bush make a speech recently at one of the Texas universities saying he was worried about a rise in nativist politics. Believe that got old Pat Buchanan really upset. Pat would know, since it's people like him that President Bush was talking about. It is so funny to me though to see Bush derided as a liberal and RINO by the same people who defended all his actions and shitted on his critics.

This is one thing that this flaming liberal unequivocally thinks Bush got exactly right. He tried so hard to tamp down nativism in his party, and he deserves to commended for it. It's a shame it was ultimately for naught.

47 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:42:08pm

re: #44 Bulworth

They hate us because of our freedom.

The extremists hate us for daring to govern ourselves by laws made by men (and women).

48 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:42:48pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

OT here too but man it is raining and ugly as hell outside. The good news though is the new burger place on campus is not just close to where I live but also delicious.

It's raining cats and dogs here too, all day long. The Delaware river is getting angry again, and it's making me nervous. When the Delaware gets angry, my little town gets submerged.

49 quiet reader  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:43:29pm


Rep. Cravaack (R) at Muslims hearings:" Hypothetically, let's say CAIR is a terrorist organization".

TPM

50 Kragar  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:44:04pm

re: #49 quiet reader

TPM

As much as the AFA and FRC.

51 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:45:11pm

]re: #46 Fozzie Bear

This is one thing that this flaming liberal unequivocally thinks Bush got exactly right. He tried so hard to tamp down nativism in his party, and he deserves to commended for it. It's a shame it was ultimately for naught.

I feel the same way about him. It seems since he left office that Republicans have grown more regressive on these sort of things.

52 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:46:47pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

]

I feel the same way about him. It seems since he left office that Republicans have grown more regressive on these sort of things.

History will look kindly on George W Bush... if only because of what came after him...

53 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:47:34pm

re: #49 quiet reader

TPM

Ah, I see. Now we see the real reason for the hearings. Not really any concern about actual potential terrorism. Just a forum to try to discredit CAIR. What a surprise.

54 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:49:30pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

]

I feel the same way about him. It seems since he left office that Republicans have grown more regressive on these sort of things.

Bush leaving office combined with a black man winning the Presidency over the old white guy = the GOP flipping their shit and going full retard. It's been astonishing to watch.

55 shiplord kirel  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:51:07pm

re: #49 quiet reader

Rep. Cravaack (R) at Muslims hearings:" Hypothetically, let's say CAIR is a terrorist organization".
TPM

Hypothetically, let's say that former Navy pilot Cravaack was a Russian spy and sold the Kremlin all the plans for the F-14 fire-control system. We could further hypothesize that he buggers hamsters to death as a hobby, encasing them in duct tape to prolong their squeals of agony. Would this be evidence of systemic depravity among GOP congress-critters?

56 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:51:45pm

re: #54 Lidane

Bush leaving office combined with a black man winning the Presidency over the old white guy = the GOP flipping their shit and going full retard. It's been astonishing to watch.

Yeah, it's gotten really bad.

57 Kragar  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:52:38pm

re: #55 shiplord kirel

Hypothetically, let's say that former Navy pilot Cravaack was a Russian spy and sold the Kremlin all the plans for the F-14 fire-control system. We could further hypothesize that he buggers hamsters to death as a hobby, encasing them in duct tape to prolong their squeals of agony. Would this be evidence of systemic depravity among GOP congress-critters?

We should call Lemmiwinks as a witness.

58 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:55:35pm

Pretty clear what King's doing-- and he's doing it to broaden his base:

Gallup Poll: Barely Half Of Americans Think American Muslims Support the U.S.

59 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:55:58pm
This is one thing that this flaming liberal unequivocally thinks Bush got exactly right. He tried so hard to tamp down nativism in his party, and he deserves to commended for it. It's a shame it was ultimately for naught.

My sentiments exactly.

60 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:55:58pm

Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX): Govt Subsidies Necessary To Keep Exxon From Going Out Of Business

This is the same guy who apologized to BP for congress' criticism.

WTF?

61 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:56:29pm

re: #58 iceweasel

Pretty clear what King's doing-- and he's doing it to broaden his base:

Gallup Poll: Barely Half Of Americans Think American Muslims Support the U.S.

Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist party Muslim?

62 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:57:00pm

re: #58 iceweasel

Pretty clear what King's doing-- and he's doing it to broaden his base:

Gallup Poll: Barely Half Of Americans Think American Muslims Support the U.S.

My countrymen truly disgust me at times. This is fucking deplorable.

63 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:58:49pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist party Muslim?

My full name is iceweasel Hussein X.

64 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:58:58pm

re: #60 Fozzie Bear

Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX): Govt Subsidies Necessary To Keep Exxon From Going Out Of Business

This is the same guy who apologized to BP for congress' criticism.

WTF?

You're forgetting -- it's okay if you're a Republican.

65 What, me worry?  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 12:59:17pm

re: #15 engineer dog

one of the most admirable things george w bush ever did as president was to go to extraordinary lengths to demonstrate that he was not attacking peaceful american muslims, only terrorism

all wasted

No one heard him though. WE didn't hear him either because it was still raw, even years after the fact. Some of us have grown up from that day.

66 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:00:18pm

re: #60 Fozzie Bear

Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX): Govt Subsidies Necessary To Keep Exxon From Going Out Of Business

This is the same guy who apologized to BP for congress' criticism.

WTF?


We need less government and less spending, but we still need government to keep our major, resource exploiting industries alive.

67 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:01:09pm

re: #60 Fozzie Bear

Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX): Govt Subsidies Necessary To Keep Exxon From Going Out Of Business

This is the same guy who apologized to BP for congress' criticism.

WTF?

Ya gotta love it. We got plenty of money to bail out the banks, to bail out the auto industry, to keep the oil industry afloat. But fund Planned Parenthood and NPR? Frak that, we can't afford it!

Ayn Rand gets the last laugh. *rolls eyes*

68 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:01:10pm

re: #58 iceweasel

Pretty clear what King's doing-- and he's doing it to broaden his base:

Gallup Poll: Barely Half Of Americans Think American Muslims Support the U.S.

Some of my relatives are in the half that don't think Muslims support America. I casually mentioned a religious studies course I took in undergrad and meeting a local imam and some Muslim students for a class discussion, and that I have copies of the Qu'ran in both English and Spanish, and they immediately started talking about how they don't trust Muslims and think they're suspect.

No surprise-- these relatives are also all Republicans and keep the TV on Fox News 24/7.

69 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:01:15pm

re: #63 iceweasel

My full name is iceweasel Hussein X.

That would be iceweasel Hussein MacX now :)

70 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:02:43pm

re: #60 Fozzie Bear

Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX): Govt Subsidies Necessary To Keep Exxon From Going Out Of Business

This is the same guy who apologized to BP for congress' criticism.

WTF?


Yay small government conservatives. Oh wait, it's different when you're Joe Barton, a whore* for big business.
* My apologies to real prostitutes.

71 shiplord kirel  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:03:09pm

re: #60 Fozzie Bear

Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX): Govt Subsidies Necessary To Keep Exxon From Going Out Of Business

This is the same guy who apologized to BP for congress' criticism.

WTF?

It's one thing to be a shill and prostitute for the oil industry; regrettable perhaps but at least intellectually understandable for a narrow ignoramus like Barton. It is inexcusably undignified however to be so craven and obvious about it.

72 Kronocide  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:03:35pm
73 What, me worry?  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:04:11pm

re: #8 Fozzie Bear

If someone wants to kill a lot of people and doesn't care if he survives the effort, he will be successful some of the time. This is just an unavoidable truth. We can and should try to catch these people before they can hurt anyone, but in the end, we are only ever going to be partially successful. Some will get through, and people will die. That's life. It's tragic, but it's inevitable in today's world.

In the long term, the most effective thing we can do is enfranchise the disenfranchised, and marginalize the crazies. We have to find ways to reduce the appeal of extremist groups to those most vulnerable to their recruitment efforts.

What Rep. King is doing only makes it harder to succeed at those efforts. you don't talk a potential radical off the ledge by telling him his religion is dangerous to society. That will just push them off the ledge into crazyland.

King isn't just stupid, he is dangerously stupid.

I highlighted that bit because that really is one certain type of enemy. Radical Islam. I mean, you don't see bin Laden strapping a bomb to himself, but poor young men in Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc are perfect cannon fodder against the evil imperial capitalists, yada yada.

The neo-Nazis aren't blowing themselves up. So yes, there is a distinction which makes it that much more insidious, but certainly I agree that the broader range of crazies could have been a better topic.

74 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:04:22pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Yay small government conservatives. Oh wait, it's different when you're Joe Barton, a whore* for big business.
* My apologies to real prostitutes.

I said awhile back that, in the end, both parties are little more than whores, turning tricks for votes and campaign funds. The only difference is which part of town they're working.

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:04:36pm

re: #58 iceweasel

Pretty clear what King's doing-- and he's doing it to broaden his base:

Gallup Poll: Barely Half Of Americans Think American Muslims Support the U.S.

And a similar poll in 1850 with Know Nothingism running strong would probably have said the same of Catholics.

This isn't anything new folks. Just the latest round of American head-in-the-sand fear of the other. And it's being exploited by political demagogues just like every other time.

76 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:05:45pm

re: #71 shiplord kirel

It's one thing to be a shill and prostitute for the oil industry; regrettable perhaps but at least intellectually understandable for a narrow ignoramus like Barton. It is inexcusably undignified however to be so craven and obvious about it.

He was obvious about it when he was apologizing to BP. Now, he's just being a Cartman:

77 TedStriker  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:05:46pm

re: #49 quiet reader

TPM

He's just asking questions, donchaknow?

///

78 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:06:27pm

re: #63 iceweasel

My full name is iceweasel Hussein X.


I may be in trouble here...but I find that
strangely exciting!!////
( I like bad girls)
Hi everyone!*waves*

79 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:07:37pm

re: #75 oaktree

And a similar poll in 1850 with Know Nothingism running strong would probably have said the same of Catholics.

This isn't anything new folks. Just the latest round of American head-in-the-sand fear of the other. And it's being exploited by political demagogues just like every other time.

Yep, it's the same crap, just a different flavor. It's too bad we haven't learned from the lessons of the past though.

80 dragonfire1981  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:08:53pm

You know about a year ago people were talking about the possibility of the GOP going all mccarthy on a number groups but I foolishly thought they wouldn't take it that far. Now I am worried how far it will go...

81 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:10:23pm

Just to put Barton's comment in context, Exxon hold 5 out of the top 10 slots in the list of largest quarterly corporate profits ever reported in the history of the country, all of them in the past decade.

Yeah, Exxon is in real danger of going under. They really need our help. Won't someone please think of the poor oil companies!

82 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:11:43pm

re: #81 Fozzie Bear

Just to put Barton's comment in context, Exxon hold 5 out of the top 10 slots in the list of largest quarterly corporate profits ever reported in the history of the country, all of them in the past decade.

Yeah, Exxon is in real danger of going under. They really need our help. Won't someone please think of the poor oil companies!

Hey now, we can't cut that funding or tax breaks from the oil companies! That's like raising their taxes! And you know we can't go raising taxes during a recession!

///

83 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:11:44pm

re: #81 Fozzie Bear

Just to put Barton's comment in context, Exxon hold 5 out of the top 10 slots in the list of largest quarterly corporate profits ever reported in the history of the country, all of them in the past decade.

Yeah, Exxon is in real danger of going under. They really need our help. Won't someone please think of the poor oil companies!

Why do you hate America?

/wingnut

84 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:11:47pm

If things go south in Saudi Arabia for the House of Saud I heartily suggest they consider re-locating to Rep King's district...

//

85 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:12:26pm

Wow, withdrawals from a bank supporting Gov. Walker was forced to shut down today.

Power to the people.

plcorbett Patrick L. Corbett

M&I Bank closes for the day as firefighters picket & withdraw funds for executive support of @GovWalker [Link: www.dane101.com...]

86 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:14:32pm

re: #69 Jimmah

That would be iceweasel Hussein MacX now :)

Yes indeed. :)

87 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:16:03pm

re: #68 Lidane

No surprise-- these relatives are also all Republicans and keep the TV on Fox News 24/7.

This is a Public Service Announcement :

Prolonged exposure to this channel may cause permanent and potentially irreversible post 9-11 braincrash syndrome in many viewers.

88 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:20:00pm

re: #85 Stanley Sea

Wow, withdrawals from a bank supporting Gov. Walker was forced to shut down today.

Power to the people.

plcorbett Patrick L. Corbett

M&I Bank closes for the day as firefighters picket & withdraw funds for executive support of @GovWalker [Link: www.dane101.com...]

The anti-cheese head stands alone.

89 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:24:31pm

re: #85 Stanley Sea

Wow, withdrawals from a bank supporting Gov. Walker was forced to shut down today.

Power to the people.

plcorbett Patrick L. Corbett

M&I Bank closes for the day as firefighters picket & withdraw funds for executive support of @GovWalker [Link: www.dane101.com...]

good on 'em.

90 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:24:36pm

From the ligher side of the aisle:

At a hearing of the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources on Thursday, Mr. Paul lambasted Kathleen Hogan, deputy assistant secretary for energy efficiency at the Energy Department, telling her that the department's "hypocrisy" and "busybody nature" has "restricted choices" for consumers rather than made life better for them.

"You don't care about the consumer really," Mr. Paul said. "Frankly, my toilets don't work in my house, and I blame you."

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

91 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:25:53pm

re: #86 iceweasel

Yes indeed. :)


[Video]

Nas Nedogonyat, baby :)

92 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:28:08pm

re: #90 Jeff In Ohio

From the ligher side of the aisle:

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

The government shouldn't be involved in health care or setting child labor laws but Rand Paul needs his toilet working!

93 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:28:31pm

re: #88 jamesfirecat

The anti-cheese head stands alone.

King Cnut.

94 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:29:01pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

The government shouldn't be involved in health care or setting child labor laws but Rand Paul needs his toilet working!

And he should have the right to refuse a Black man to fix it.

95 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:29:24pm

re: #94 wozzablog

And he should have the right to refuse a Black man to fix it.

Yes!

96 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:30:20pm

re: #90 Jeff In Ohio

From the ligher side of the aisle:

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

"You don't care about the consumer really," Mr. Paul said. "Frankly, my toilets don't work in my house, and I blame you."

With the sheer amount of shit he dispenses on any given day, can't say I'm surprised.

97 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:30:44pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Yes!

I mean, all that civil rights stuff conflicts with free enterprise and the absolute right of the markets to decide who is in the economy (etc).

98 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:32:15pm

OT, but I just RSVP'd to go and see Questlove from The Roots play a gig tomorrow night. This is going to be awesome. :D

99 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:32:19pm

re: #90 Jeff In Ohio

From the ligher side of the aisle:

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Paged.

100 webevintage  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:35:20pm

re: #90 Jeff In Ohio

From the ligher side of the aisle:

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]



"You don't care about the consumer really," Mr. Paul said. "Frankly, my toilets don't work in my house, and I blame you."

Then you are doing something wrong Senator....

101 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:36:17pm

re: #96 publicityStunted

With the sheer amount of shit he dispenses on any given day, can't say I'm surprised.

I'm a bit surprised the Rands use the public solid waste disposal system. I would think they'd be more inclined to shit in the backyard.

102 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:37:47pm

re: #101 Jeff In Ohio

With the sheer amount of shit he dispenses on any given day, can't say I'm surprised.

I'm a bit surprised the Rands use the public solid waste disposal system. I would think they'd be more inclined to shit in the backyard.

Or to pay for a port-a-can service to come to their house daily. Since free markets solve everything, and all.

103 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:39:36pm

re: #100 webevintage

Then you are doing something wrong Senator...

The man needs more fiber in his diet, I guess. /

104 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:42:23pm

re: #94 wozzablog

i am so glad i didn't need to add a sarc tag to that.......... if anyone ever reviews my posts here in isolation without the knowledge i am one of the two most sarcastic men alive - i would have a problem.

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:55:29pm

re: #60 Fozzie Bear

Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX): Govt Subsidies Necessary To Keep Exxon From Going Out Of Business

This is the same guy who apologized to BP for congress' criticism.

WTF?

Joe Barton (R-Oil)

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:56:16pm

re: #31 CuriousLurker

Drive-by comment:

Somewhat related. Interesting numbers, esp. when compared to March 2002, only 6 months after 9/11.

Continuing Divide in Views of Islam and Violence

~~~Gone~~~

wow, it's almost doubled, that's actually pretty scary

107 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:56:47pm

re: #106 WindUpBird

Seems they're really always on message when it involves putting down minorities

108 Slap  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 1:58:44pm

re: #69 Jimmah

That would be iceweasel Hussein MacX now :)

That throws me off -- here, I thought your name was Jimmah MacShabazz!

109 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 2:33:16pm

re: #42 shiplord kirel

That's a useful poll, and it definitely shows a deterioration in public attitudes just in the past few years. Even so, I tend to see religion less as a cause than as a handy rationalization for a course of action that has been decided for other reasons. This is probably more true of negative than of positive actions, since the latter would not require that their real motivations be obscured.

This. Humans are too often rationalizing rather than rational.

110 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 2:35:30pm

re: #49 quiet reader

TPM

Well, when you know for sure one way or another, let us know.

Jackass. The guy in the video, not quiet reader.

111 im_gumby_damnit  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 4:52:05pm

These hearings are useless and stupid. What a waste of time.

112 haavamaal  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:36:32am

I agree that singling out the Muslim Extremist and forgoing the other extremists is a mistake, but the only current consistent threat is from Muslim extremists.

One thing that disturbs me about the posts here today are that they are so slanted toward the "right wing" extremists. The fact of the matter is there are dangerous extremists on BOTH sides. As a country we are so polarized that its hard to have a meaningful dialog on extremist threats. Apparently you have to pick a group to offend.

Take the union nonsense in Wisconsin. Are you going to tell me that the "left wing" union extremists aren't dangerous? Have you read the death threats they have made? I work for a State, and I know that my net income from this job is going to drop for the next biennium due to budget cuts that my state is going to be forced to make. Just like any employer they have a choice they can cut costs in a variety of ways. From a personnel standpoint they can lay people off or make the employee pay more for benefits. Frankly, I have great benefits and don't mind paying for them.

From an employee standpoint if my employer (the State) does not provide the compensation that I am satisfied with I can always move to another employer of spend more time with my personal endeavors.

113 jaunte  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:40:08am
...the only current consistent threat is from Muslim extremists...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

114 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:42:49am

re: #112 haavamaal

but the only current consistent threat is from Muslim extremists.

Wrong. See Jaunte's link.

One thing that disturbs me about the posts here today are that they are so slanted toward the "right wing" extremists.

Are you aware of the Pages feature here? You can make a Page about whatever you find to be the biggest threat. See Jaunte's link.

Are you going to tell me that the "left wing" union extremists aren't dangerous? Have you read the death threats they have made?

Do you know the threats were made by "left wing" union extremists? Do you have a link?

115 haavamaal  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:55:08am

re: #114 wrenchwench

I did not want to create a what I think is a threat page.

I guess you are just being obtuse, but I can't see why the right would be making threats toward Walker and the other GOP dolts.

Are you trying to imply that the far left is not as fascist as the far right?

I feel for you.

116 haavamaal  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:59:26am

re: #113 jaunte

by consistent I mean something other than rare events. There is no shortage of idiots, but Darwinism does a pretty good job with them.

Another consistent group I would consider are the narco terrorists that ARE threats that I see on a regular basis since I live and ranch on the Texas/Mexican border.

117 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:54:13pm

re: #115 haavamaal

I did not want to create a what I think is a threat page.

I guess you are just being obtuse, but I can't see why the right would be making threats toward Walker and the other GOP dolts.

Are you trying to imply that the far left is not as fascist as the far right?

I feel for you.

Asking you to back up your assertions with a link is being obtuse?

Another consistent group I would consider are the narco terrorists that ARE threats that I see on a regular basis since I live and ranch on the Texas/Mexican border.

Are the narco terrorists on the left or the right?


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