Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) Refuses to Accept Fox Host Chris Wallace’s Abject Apology

Bachmann’s tender feelings were very damaged
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Who knew Michele Bachmann was so sensitive about being asked if she’s a “flake?”

Poor Chris Wallace — he issued one of the most abject apologies I’ve ever seen from a Fox News host, but Bachmann is still miffed.

ABC News’ Jon Karl, who’s been getting face-time with Bachmann in Waterloo in advance of her formal campaign announcement, played a clip of the web video in which Wallace said, “I messed up. I’m sorry.”

When Karl asked if she accepts the apology, Bachmann brushed aside the question this way: “I think that it’s insulting to insinuate that a candidate for president is less than serious.”

Trying the question again, Bachmann replied, “Those are the small issues. I’m focused on the big ones.”

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192 comments
1 iossarian  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:53:15am

Transmitting live from Mars.

The only reason she’s so upset about it is because it hit the bullseye.

2 Kragar  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:53:21am
Bachmann replied, “Those are the small issues. I’m focused on the big ones.”

Like how to keep getting your government aid checks?

3 ElCapitanAmerica  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:54:03am

Very presidential! Yup!

4 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:54:09am

She’s thin skinned and it’s not going to work out well for her. Now that everyone knows the flake accusation hurts her she’s just going to get more of it. It’s going to stick.

5 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:56:51am

I also think it’s interesting that the Flake accusation came from a conservative. My guess is Wallace wants to win elections and derailing her campaign improves the odds. Meanwhile the rest of the MSM is treating her with kid gloves to improve her prospects. After she win the nomination they’ll turn on her. It’s just smart politics.

6 Mattand  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:59:10am

I wonder what Ailes will make Wallace do now, since Bachmann is still mad. Maybe Chris will have to be her butler for a week, a la Seinfeld.

I’m sure everyone is aware of Matt Taibbi’s Rolling Stone article about Bachmann, but it’s definitely worth the time. This woman really does appear to have the most causal of relationships with reality.

7 jaunte  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:00:52am
“I think that it’s insulting to insinuate that a candidate for president is less than serious.”


Let’s be polite enough to call a Martian as we see them.

8 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:02:26am

Someone call the waaaaambulance for Bachmann.

9 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:03:00am

re: #6 mattand

I’m sure everyone is aware of Matt Taibbi’s Rolling Stone article about Bachmann, but it’s definitely worth the time. This woman really does appear to have the most causal of relationships with reality.

Why yes, to the Fox crowd, she can “cause” any reality she wants…

10 jvic  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:04:55am

1. re: #4 Killgore Trout

She’s thin skinned and it’s not going to work out well for her. Now that everyone knows the flake accusation hurts her she’s just going to get more of it. It’s going to stick.

I was telling myself that, small comfort though it is, at least Bachmann does not have Palin’s thin skin. (For example, consider Palin’s invocation of Shakespeare after her ‘refudiate’ error was publicized.)

Oh, well.

2. A thin skin is a major negative, perhaps an outright disqualifier, for a Presidential candidate.

a. I changed my 2008 vote to Obama because of McCain’s lack of self-control when the financial crisis hit.

b. In the cases of Bachmann and Palin, there aren’t, to put it mildly, a lot of positives to offset the thin skins.

11 JeffM70  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:05:22am

How Christian of her to not say she forgave Wallace.

12 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:06:19am

She’s gonna squeeze Wallace (and by extension, Ailes) with this until she has her own show.

13 Mattand  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:07:29am

re: #9 publicityStunted

My spell check and I aren’t on speaking terms today. Your take is much funnier, however.

14 Kragar  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:07:30am

re: #11 JeffM70

How Christian of her to not say she forgave Wallace.

She asked God, and God said Wallace doesn’t rate forgiveness because he is a democrat.

15 thatthatisis  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:08:05am

She has been moderating her words recently, and trying to be more appealing to a broader spectrum of voters.

However, she can’t really hide her entire previous history of im-moderation. One does not give up the crazy lightly.

16 jaunte  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:08:28am

re: #12 makeitstop

I don’t think she’ll settle for the smaller prize, now that she’s heard a voice telling her to go for the big one.

17 BongCrodny  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:08:52am

If she gets the nomination, maybe her running mate could be Arizona Congressman Jeff Flake.

the All-Flake ticket, so to speak.

18 elizajane  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:09:10am

Wallace did her a huge favor. His remark instantly elevated her to a Palinesque level of media victimhood. Plus, several normally sane people leapt to her defense, claiming for her a level of sanity that she definitely does not actually possess.
Obviously she will milk this gift for all it’s worth.

19 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:09:30am

re: #16 jaunte

I don’t think she’ll settle for the smaller prize, now that she’s heard a voice telling her to go for the big one.

Yeah, but the smaller prize is a nice fallback after she gets obliterated in the primaries.

20 bluecheese  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:09:41am

I don’t blame her.

For some reason, I have a hard time seeing a male candidate being asked if he was a flake.

It was a cheap shot, and an awful question.

21 jaunte  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:10:40am

re: #20 bluecheese

He could have said “what do you say to the people who think you’re a flake”, but it seemed to be implied by the lead-in.

22 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:10:42am

re: #20 bluecheese

I don’t blame her.

For some reason, I have a hard time seeing a male candidate being asked if he was a flake.

It was a cheap shot, and an awful question.

Really? Jerry Brown gets called “Moonbeam”, and you think ‘flake’ is somehow gender-related?

23 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:11:14am

No two are quite alike.

24 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:12:21am

Bachman is of course so very much more flaky than a flake. Just a drive by hello.

25 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:12:56am

Oral.Roberts.University.Law.School

26 jaunte  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:14:00am
WALLACE: Finally, let’s talk about Michele Bachmann because — and you say — it’s interesting. You say that the people saw in the debate and saw you as a serious person. I don’t have to tell you that you have — the rap on you here in Washington is that you have a history of questionable statements, some would say gaffes, ranging from — talking about anti-America members of Congress — on this show — a couple of months ago, when you suggested that NATO airstrikes had killed up to 30,000 civilians.

Are you a flake?

BACHMANN: Well, I think that would be insulting, to say something like that, because I’m a serious person.
[Link: articles.baltimoresun.com…]

She didn’t defend her statements.

27 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:16:19am

re: #20 bluecheese

I don’t blame her.

For some reason, I have a hard time seeing a male candidate being asked if he was a flake.

It was a cheap shot, and an awful question.

But a presidential-caliber candidate would have laughed it off, accepted the apology and moved on.

If she’s reacting like this before the primaries even start, she’ll be melting down completely once people start asking her challenging questions.

And the voters will pick it up and tell her to go back to Mars and grow a thicker skin.

28 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:16:23am

re: #15 thatthatisis

She has been moderating her words recently, and trying to be more appealing to a broader spectrum of voters.

However, she can’t really hide her entire previous history of im-moderation. One does not give up the crazy lightly.

And there’s SooOOooo much past history with her all recorded, taped, written, what have you. She can’t run from it no matter how she tries to repackage herself.

29 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:16:59am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

She’s thin skinned and it’s not going to work out well for her. Now that everyone knows the flake accusation hurts her she’s just going to get more of it. It’s going to stick.

Sarah Palin, second round.

30 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:17:24am

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

Oral.Roberts.University.Law.School

“Where there’s no teuch like the Pentateuch”.

31 bluecheese  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:17:37am

re: #22 Obdicut

Really? Jerry Brown gets called “Moonbeam”, and you think ‘flake’ is somehow gender-related?

i dont know about your “Moonbeam” analogy, so whatever about what somebody wrote in a column before i was born.

And yes, I do feel it as being gender related. I could be wrong, I could be one of just a few who think that way.

But I do, and I’m a dude.

Just my 2 cents.

32 BongCrodny  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:17:42am

A Google search shows nearly 800,000 results for “Dennis Kucinich flaky.”

It ain’t a gender thing.

It’s a flake thing.

33 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:18:37am

re: #29 marjoriemoon

Sarah Palin, second round.

I think Bachman is worse than Palin. She is much more loopy. Palin is dumb as a box of hammers and probably doesn’t even understand half of what she herself says. Bachman is a true believer of average intelligence who was utterly brainwashed.

34 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:19:38am

re: #20 bluecheese

I don’t blame her.

For some reason, I have a hard time seeing a male candidate being asked if he was a flake.

It was a cheap shot, and an awful question.

GOTTA have that thick skin and she’s a woman to boot. She’s gonna get more shit than the average old white dude out there. Women should know this and let it roll off their backs. Smart politicians do. Sarah never did. If she starts to respond to every piece of criticism laid on her, she’s going down like a sack of bricks.

35 jaunte  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:21:46am

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

She’s good at evading things she suspects she shouldn’t talk about.

WALLACE: Do you — do you — and I think it’s important to say that. But do you recognize that now that you’re in the spotlight, in a way that you weren’t before, that you have to be careful and not say what some regard as flaky things?

BACHMANN: Well, of course, a person has to be careful what statements that they make. I think that’s true. And I think now, there will be an opportunity to be able to speak fully on the issues. I look forward to that.
[Link: articles.baltimoresun.com…]


As if there was no opportunity to speak before.

36 albusteve  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:21:56am

re: #31 bluecheese

i dont know about your “Moonbeam” analogy, so whatever about what somebody wrote in a column before i was born.

And yes, I do feel it as being gender related. I could be wrong, I could be one of just a few who think that way.

But I do, and I’m a dude.

Just my 2 cents.

flakes are asexual…jus sayin

37 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:22:58am

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

Oral.Roberts.University.Law.School

So? That’s where the glory is.

38 nines09  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:23:45am

Thanks for the forced apology, tool. Any credibility Wallace had vaporized along with any class from Michelle, Queen Of Mars.

39 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:23:59am

re: #32 BongCrodny

A Google search shows nearly 800,000 results for “Dennis Kucinich flaky.”

It ain’t a gender thing.

It’s a flake thing.

I don’t agree. I think women have a harder time. Let me ask you, which male counterpart was ever asked what magazines they read or who Paul Revere is?

I’m not defending Palin. I hate her politics. I hated her politics 3 years ago, but it does get under my skin that women aren’t treated the same. Least, I don’t see it. We have to be that much tougher. Plenty of women blow off this kind of thing because they have to.

40 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:24:02am

BREAKING: O’Reilly to apologize to all persons ever featured as a “pinhead!”

No?

Oh.

Well nevermind then.

41 leftynyc  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:24:08am

Gotta be honest here. I detest Bachman but I doubt Wallace, or any other male journalist, has ever asked that question to a man running for President.

42 engineer cat  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:25:35am

The wrong John Wayne

Rep. Michele Bachmann kicked off her presidential campaign on Monday in Waterloo, Iowa, and in one interview surrounding the official event she promised to mimic the spirit of Waterloo’s own John Wayne.

The only problem, as one eagle-eyed reader notes: Waterloo’s John Wayne was not the beloved movie star, but rather John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer.

Mrs. Bachmann grew up in Waterloo, and used the town as the backdrop for her campaign announcement, where she told Fox News: “Well what I want them to know is just like, John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That’s the kind of spirit that I have, too.” (Someone has already posted the clip to YouTube under the name BachmannLovesGacy)

John Wayne, the movie legend, is in fact from Iowa and the John Wayne birthplace is a celebrated landmark — only it’s in Winterset, which is a nearly three hour drive away from Waterloo.

43 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:25:46am

re: #29 marjoriemoon

Sarah Palin, second round.

But at least Palin is capable of summoning righteous indignation (whether it’s real or not is another question). Judging by this episode, all Bachmann seems to be capable of is whinging and being hurt.

Not gonna fly in the big leagues.

44 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:26:22am

re: #42 engineer dog

Okay, that’s incredibly creepy.

45 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:26:46am

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

I think Bachman is worse than Palin. She is much more loopy. Palin is dumb as a box of hammers and probably doesn’t even understand half of what she herself says. Bachman is a true believer of average intelligence who was utterly brainwashed.

I don’t know. I put them in the same boat. Bachmann is more religious, and really sticks that out front more than Palin. I see similarities and differences, both.

46 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:27:16am

re: #42 engineer dog

The wrong John Wayne

Rep. Michele Bachmann kicked off her presidential campaign on Monday in Waterloo, Iowa, and in one interview surrounding the official event she promised to mimic the spirit of Waterloo’s own John Wayne.

The only problem, as one eagle-eyed reader notes: Waterloo’s John Wayne was not the beloved movie star, but rather John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer.

Mrs. Bachmann grew up in Waterloo, and used the town as the backdrop for her campaign announcement, where she told Fox News: “Well what I want them to know is just like, John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That’s the kind of spirit that I have, too.” (Someone has already posted the clip to YouTube under the name BachmannLovesGacy)

John Wayne, the movie legend, is in fact from Iowa and the John Wayne birthplace is a celebrated landmark — only it’s in Winterset, which is a nearly three hour drive away from Waterloo.

Flake.

47 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:27:21am

Update: I mentioned that I contacted bit.ly support about the situation where someone’s messing with our link statistics; exchanged a couple of emails this morning and they’re investigating.

48 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:28:00am

re: #41 leftynyc

Gotta be honest here. I detest Bachman but I doubt Wallace, or any other male journalist, has ever asked that question to a man running for President.

Actually it’s an easy serve in sweet-sister interviewing:

“They say you’re a nut. Are you a nut?”
“Let me go through my prepared list of the dozen well-reasoned ways in which I am not a nut.”

She muffed it.

(NOTE. ‘Muffed’ is used as a totally gender-free expression.)

49 Winny Spencer  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:28:08am

re: #20 bluecheese

Agreed. I’m with Michelle on this one.

50 bluecheese  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:28:56am

re: #41 leftynyc

Gotta be honest here. I detest Bachman but I doubt Wallace, or any other male journalist, has ever asked that question to a man running for President.

yup. that’s the way i see it.

And perception is what matters I think.

I would argue that Santorum is more of a flake than Bachmann, but you wont find people asking him that.

re: #32 BongCrodny

A Google search shows nearly 800,000 results for “Dennis Kucinich flaky.”

It ain’t a gender thing.

It’s a flake thing.

When did Dennis get asked if he was a flake in an interview?

51 Kragar  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:29:31am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

(NOTE. ‘Muffed’ is used as a totally gender-free expression.)

Bryan Fischer will be saying its pandering to the Lesbian agenda in 3..2..

52 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:30:36am

re: #43 makeitstop

But at least Palin is capable of summoning righteous indignation (whether it’s real or not is another question). Judging by this episode, all Bachmann seems to be capable of is whinging and being hurt.

Not gonna fly in the big leagues.

Oh Palin got her share of whining in during the campaign. Remember “Going Rogue?” That was all about NOT following what her handler’s wanted her to do and part of that was whining when she should have kept her trap shut.

53 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:30:54am

re: #47 Charles

Update: I mentioned that I contacted bit.ly support about the situation where someone’s messing with our link statistics; exchanged a couple of emails this morning and they’re investigating.

Sweet x2 :)

54 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:31:01am

re: #39 marjoriemoon

I don’t agree. I think women have a harder time. Let me ask you, which male counterpart was ever asked what magazines they read or who Paul Revere is?

But Palin set herself up for that type of questioning, regardless of gender.

How about when Mrs. Clinton was running for president? She didn’t get asked dopey questions like that because she presented herself as a credible candidate.

Palin relied on snark and meanness (and wouldn’t answer more serious questions), and that’s like painting ‘Kick me, Media’ on your back.

55 leftynyc  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:31:12am

re: #50 bluecheese


Actually - To me the flakiest is a contest between Cain and Newt.

56 nines09  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:31:22am

re: #37 publicityStunted

So? That’s where the glory is.


Just envision that 3AM phone call. Michelle then says “I’ll call right back.” Then she runs into the room that the layer of hands is in 24/7. The picture shows the procedure and once the wisdom is received she phones back with the orders now received from on high.

57 jaunte  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:31:34am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

“Let me go through my prepared list of the dozen well-reasoned ways in which I am not a nut.”


I think Ross Perot was the candidate most often called a nut by the media.
“Can I finish?”

58 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:31:35am

BACHMANN: Well, I think that would be insulting, to say something like that, because I’m a serious person.


Ok, you’re a serious flake.

59 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:31:45am

re: #37 publicityStunted

So? That’s where the glory is.

LOL, “Get under the ‘spout’ where the glory comes out!” Complete with invisible penis pic. Is it still a euphemism when it’s that utterly blatant?

60 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:32:32am

re: #39 marjoriemoon

I don’t agree. I think women have a harder time. Let me ask you, which male counterpart was ever asked what magazines they read or who Paul Revere is?

I’m not defending Palin. I hate her politics. I hated her politics 3 years ago, but it does get under my skin that women aren’t treated the same. Least, I don’t see it. We have to be that much tougher. Plenty of women blow off this kind of thing because they have to.

You’re better than this. Palin was never asked who Paul Revere was. She was asked how her trip was going and what had she learned. Come on…

61 elizajane  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:32:38am

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

I think Bachman is worse than Palin. She is much more loopy. Palin is dumb as a box of hammers and probably doesn’t even understand half of what she herself says. Bachman is a true believer of average intelligence who was utterly brainwashed.

Completely agree. Palin was a not-very-bright, self-promoting, narcissistic opportunist. Bachmann is truly a woman with a mission. She’s smarter than Palin and she completely believes what she says.

For better or for worse, this is likely to do her in. A politician can’t get very far in today’s world without the ability to prevaricate, finesse, or sometimes just lie. When Bachmann says daft things, she isn’t lying, and “finesse” isn’t her mode either, though she did manage to imply that she was OK with New York’s gay marriage law (on states’ rights grouns) before admitting that she’d work to overturn it via constitutional ammendment.

62 leftynyc  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:32:52am

re: #54 makeitstop

But Palin set herself up for that type of questioning, regardless of gender.

How about when Mrs. Clinton was running for president? She didn’t get asked dopey questions like that because she presented herself as a credible candidate.

Palin relied on snark and meanness (and wouldn’t answer more serious questions), and that’s like painting ‘Kick me, Media’ on your back.

She wasnt’ asked who Paul Revere was. She was asked what she had seen that day and the led to her word salad butchering of history on Paul Revere.

63 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:33:11am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

(NOTE. ‘Muffed’ is used as a totally gender-free expression.)

LOL You sure about that?

Damn chauvinists are everywhere!!11!!

64 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:33:26am

re: #63 marjoriemoon

LOL You sure about that?

Damn chauvinists are everywhere!!11!!

FLAKE!
/

65 Kragar  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:33:30am

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

LOL, “Get under the ‘spout’ where the glory comes out!” Complete with invisible penis pic. Is it still a euphemism when it’s that utterly blatant?

The Glory Hole is a deeply religious sacrament to his divine presence.

66 Winny Spencer  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:33:39am

Chris Wallace is a flake.

67 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:33:43am

re: #52 marjoriemoon

Oh Palin got her share of whining in during the campaign. Remember “Going Rogue?” That was all about NOT following what her handler’s wanted her to do and part of that was whining when she should have kept her trap shut.

Good point.

68 BongCrodny  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:33:54am

re: #39 marjoriemoon

I don’t agree. I think women have a harder time. Let me ask you, which male counterpart was ever asked what magazines they read or who Paul Revere is?

I’m not defending Palin. I hate her politics. I hated her politics 3 years ago, but it does get under my skin that women aren’t treated the same. Least, I don’t see it. We have to be that much tougher. Plenty of women blow off this kind of thing because they have to.


I’ll agree that women have a harder time, but for the most part we’ve only seen women on the national stage over the last 40-50 years or so.

I don’t recall Hillary ever getting the “flake” question, but then again, Hillary is smart. I don’t think my own senators, Snowe and Collins, have ever been called flaky.

69 jaunte  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:35:22am

re: #66 Winny Spencer

Chris Wallace is a flake.

It’s possible, but he’s not the one who called for investigations of Congress to see who’s anti-American.

70 albusteve  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:36:24am

flake is just a polite substitution for stupid, narcissistic asshole which both Palin and Bachman excell…I could give a shit if they don’t like it

71 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:36:29am

For those who think, for whatever reason, ‘flake’ is a gender oriented term:

[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]

[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]

Jerry Brown is a hell of a lot more serious a politician than Bachmann, and he got called a flake constantly.

I also would like to point out that asking Palin what magazines she reads was a softball question, not a gotcha one. It was not supposed to be a difficult thing for her to answer.

72 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:37:24am

Whoops. Sorry, second link was supposed to be:

[Link: www.thecrimson.com…]

73 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:37:57am

re: #68 BongCrodny

I’ll agree that women have a harder time, but for the most part we’ve only seen women on the national stage over the last 40-50 years or so.

I don’t recall Hillary ever getting the “flake” question, but then again, Hillary is smart. I don’t think my own senators, Snowe and Collins, have ever been called flaky.

‘Cause they’re not flakes.

74 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:38:29am

re: #71 Obdicut

At this point, all questions directed at Palin are considered “Gotcha” questions to her and her following.

75 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:38:50am

re: #54 makeitstop

But Palin set herself up for that type of questioning, regardless of gender.

How about when Mrs. Clinton was running for president? She didn’t get asked dopey questions like that because she presented herself as a credible candidate.

Palin relied on snark and meanness (and wouldn’t answer more serious questions), and that’s like painting ‘Kick me, Media’ on your back.

Clinton also had a longer political history. And Clinton don’t take any shit either. Ever see her pissed? Palin and Bachmann are nobodies. Fresh meat and not politically “refined”.

I agree that Palin dodged questions and was more snarky, and maybe that came from her being just plain stupid. She couldn’t answer them and also didn’t have the finesse or polish to give a non-answer answer, like the others do. I’m trying to think of an equally stupid male counterpart and compare, but I can’t at the moment LOL

76 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:40:07am

re: #68 BongCrodny

I’ll agree that women have a harder time, but for the most part we’ve only seen women on the national stage over the last 40-50 years or so.

I don’t recall Hillary ever getting the “flake” question, but then again, Hillary is smart. I don’t think my own senators, Snowe and Collins, have ever been called flaky.

True. Maybe it’s a perception of mine and it’s really about intelligence and politics than gender.

77 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:41:16am

Stupid bank.
Stupid “maintenance fee”.
Stupid bank!

78 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:41:43am

re: #75 marjoriemoon

Clinton also had a longer political history. And Clinton don’t take any shit either. Ever see her pissed? Palin and Bachmann are nobodies. Fresh meat and not politically “refined”.

I agree that Palin dodged questions and was more snarky, and maybe that came from her being just plain stupid. She couldn’t answer them and also didn’t have the finesse or polish to give a non-answer answer, like the others do. I’m trying to think of an equally stupid male counterpart and compare, but I can’t at the moment LOL

Dan Quayle is the popular approximation, though that’s certainly less than fair—he was just a lightweight with spelling problems.

79 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:43:24am

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Dan Quayle is the popular approximation, though that’s certainly less than fair—he was just a lightweight with spelling problems.

At least he didn’t barf on a head of state!

80 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:43:38am

re: #71 Obdicut

For those who think, for whatever reason, ‘flake’ is a gender oriented term:

[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]

[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]

Jerry Brown is a hell of a lot more serious a politician than Bachmann, and he got called a flake constantly.

I also would like to point out that asking Palin what magazines she reads was a softball question, not a gotcha one. It was not supposed to be a difficult thing for her to answer.

For the record, I don’t think the word is gender oriented. I think the accusations are gender oriented. Women have more lowball questions to answer, it would seem, instead of the hard stuff, like economy, immigration, education blah blah. Women get more of a mixed bag.

81 albusteve  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:44:22am

Pakistan is unable to protect its growing atomic arsenal from the threat of Islamic extremists, according to one of the country’s leading nuclear scientists.
Professor Pervez Hoodbhoy, who teaches at universities in Lahore and Islamabad, said there was evidence that the Army had been infiltrated by extremist elements.

seems logical…I think Pakistan’s sovereignty regarding it’s nukes ended long ago

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]

82 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:44:35am

re: #75 marjoriemoon

There’s plenty of politicians who are as stupid as Bachmann, like Gohmert or Tom Tancredo. I agree that their lunacy is less trumpted by the media because of their gender. Tancredo wants a moratorium on all immigration to the US, for the love of god, which would tank the economy overnight.

He also got out of Vietnam because of his anxiety disorder.

83 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:44:53am

re: #77 Varek Raith

Stupid bank.
Stupid “maintenance fee”.
Stupid bank!

Youtube Video
84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:45:01am

re: #77 Varek Raith

What you get for keeping less than a hundred thousand dollars in your checking account, silly.

85 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:45:12am

re: #71 Obdicut

For those who think, for whatever reason, ‘flake’ is a gender oriented term:

[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]

[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]

Jerry Brown is a hell of a lot more serious a politician than Bachmann, and he got called a flake constantly.

I also would like to point out that asking Palin what magazines she reads was a softball question, not a gotcha one. It was not supposed to be a difficult thing for her to answer.

Brown got called a flake because he was a damn hippie.

86 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:46:45am

re: #83 JasonA

[Video]

Lol so true.

87 BongCrodny  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:46:58am

re: #75 marjoriemoon

I’m trying to think of an equally stupid male counterpart and compare, but I can’t at the moment LOL


Dennis Kucinich once saw a UFO.

That probably falls more under the “flake” category than it does “stupid,” tho.

88 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:47:04am

re: #85 marjoriemoon

Brown got called a flake because he was a damn hippie.

The ironic part is that what he got called ‘moonbeam’ for— a satellite to help first responders— was a fucking fantastic idea.

89 jvic  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:47:13am

re: #61 elizajane

…Palin was a not-very-bright, self-promoting, narcissistic opportunist. Bachmann is truly a woman with a mission. She’s smarter than Palin and she completely believes what she says.

How about this?—Bachmann is a flake. Palin is a fake.

Btw, I disapprove of soundbite politics, except when I think of a soundbite. ;-)

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:47:28am

re: #71 Obdicut

I remember him being referred to as “Gov. Moonbeam”. And like Bachmann? Didn’t get nominated either.

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:47:46am

re: #85 marjoriemoon

I hate hippies.

92 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:49:44am

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hate hippies.

Kid got me a DVD of 40 years of Mother Earth News for Father’s Day. I don’t trust anybody under 60.

93 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:49:50am

Is the Taliban using girls in suicide bombings?


A 9-year-old girl who was drugged, abducted, and strapped into a suicide vest by militants last week in Pakistan returned home safely to her family last night. But the scene was darker yesterday in Afghanistan where insurgents apparently tricked an 8-year-old girl into carrying a bomb and blew her up near a police checkpost.
94 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:49:58am

re: #82 Obdicut

There’s plenty of politicians who are as stupid as Bachmann, like Gohmert or Tom Tancredo. I agree that their lunacy is less trumpted by the media because of their gender. Tancredo wants a moratorium on all immigration to the US, for the love of god, which would tank the economy overnight.

He also got out of Vietnam because of his anxiety disorder.

Yea, but the men are asked policy questions. So are the women, but they also get quesitoned on history or “Are you a flake?” Really, what kind of idiotic question is that. What she gonna say, “Oh yea, Chris! I am!”

Now Schiaffer asked B about God wanting her to be president, but probably because she’s got a gazillion tapes out there where she’s saying it so then it would be legit.

When was Tancredo or any of them ever asked a lowball question, except Pepsi or Coke?

95 Winny Spencer  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:50:02am

re: #82 Obdicut

There’s plenty of politicians who are as stupid as Bachmann, like Gohmert or Tom Tancredo. I agree that their lunacy is less trumpted by the media because of their gender. Tancredo wants a moratorium on all immigration to the US, for the love of god, which would tank the economy overnight.

He also got out of Vietnam because of his anxiety disorder.

Anxiety disorders are indicative of lunacy, or stupidity?

96 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:50:24am

re: #77 Varek Raith

Stupid bank.
Stupid “maintenance fee”.
Stupid bank!

In capitalist America, bank robs you!

97 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:50:49am

re: #87 BongCrodny

Dennis Kucinich once saw a UFO.

That probably falls more under the “flake” category than it does “stupid,” tho.

Really? Never heard that. Where has anyone ever asked him that?

Dennis is a damn hippie too :p

98 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:51:30am

Now here’s a flake.

Image: 220px-Jeff_Flake%2C_official_portrait%2C_112th_Congress.jpg

Jeffrey Lane “Jeff” Flake (born December 31, 1962) is the U.S. Representative for Arizona’s 6th congressional district, serving since 2001. He is a member of the Republican Party. He was featured in the documentary series How Democracy Works Now: Twelve Stories.

Flake is running for a seat in the United States Senate in 2012.[1]

99 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:52:23am

re: #96 Alouette

In capitalist America, bank robs you!

I was at -$2 and some change for a bit.
-$2?
Lol.

100 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:54:14am

re: #87 BongCrodny

Dennis Kucinich once saw a UFO.

That probably falls more under the “flake” category than it does “stupid,” tho.

Stupid was telling people!

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:54:15am

The power supply cord on my laptop finally stopped working. I had to buy a new one. $79.95. Seventy-nine dollars and ninety-five cents. With tax? 83.95. Eighty-three dollars and ninety-five cents.

I feel so freshly shorn.

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:54:36am

re: #99 Varek Raith

I was at -$2 and some change for a bit.
-$2?
Lol.

You don’t even have no money.

103 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:55:00am

(P.S. I ♥ Jerry Brown btw)

104 engineer cat  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:55:21am

re: #66 Winny Spencer

Chris Wallace is a flake.

he is a fox news commentator ipso facto

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:57:01am

re: #103 marjoriemoon

(P.S. I ♥ Jerry Brown btw)

Back in the day, Rush told me not to like him because he was a flakey, moonbeamey hippie. I disliked anyone who Rush told me to dislike.

I’m getting better. Now? I just dislike most of the fuckers.

106 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:57:05am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You don’t even have no money.


Hah!

I gotta raise 10 bucks to be broke!
107 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:57:19am

re: #100 rwdflynavy

Stupid was telling people!

Dullest, sanest man I know (CEO of a mutual fund) described a UFO to me. Not a ‘light in the sky’, a freakn’ BEM UFO. I assume he was under stress.

108 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:57:28am

re: #95 Winny Spencer

Anxiety disorders are indicative of lunacy, or stupidity?

I don’t think they’re indicative of either. Why?

109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:58:17am

re: #92 Decatur Deb

Kid got me a DVD of 40 years of Mother Earth News for Father’s Day. I don’t trust anybody under 60.

My kids would get that for me under one circumstance. They wanted me to stroke out.

110 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:58:21am

Frozen fake flakes fail
Alaska, Minnesota.
Moose or Caribou?

111 Winny Spencer  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:58:49am

re: #108 Obdicut

I don’t think they’re indicative of either. Why?

Curious as to why you mentioned it.

112 albusteve  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:59:20am

Los Alamos fire burning away…

The blaze that began Sunday has forced closure of the nation’s pre-eminent nuclear lab while stirring memories of a devastating blaze more than a decade ago that destroyed hundreds of homes and buildings in the area.

more fire misery…gas shut off, nuclear material in lockdown

[Link: www.forbes.com…]

113 bluecheese  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:59:56am

re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The power supply cord on my laptop finally stopped working. I had to buy a new one. $79.95. Seventy-nine dollars and ninety-five cents. With tax? 83.95. Eighty-three dollars and ninety-five cents.

I feel so freshly shorn.

mhm.

One of them white cords eh? With a puck in the middle of it?

fucking piece of junk you just bought too.

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:01:07pm

re: #113 bluecheese

“They fuck you at the drive-thru!”
Joe Pesci (some movie he was in)

115 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:01:17pm

re: #111 Winny Spencer

Curious as to why you mentioned it.

It shows flakiness. He flaked out on his responsibility to serve in Vietnam.

Please tell me you’re not a Tancredo fan.

116 engineer cat  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:01:30pm

i’m sure you all have noticed that now that representatives of the tea parties are becoming regular commentators on the teevee that they inevitably sound like members of The Association of Very Poorly Educated and Rather Inarticulate Voters of America

117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:01:56pm

re: #113 bluecheese

Wait! Not an Apple product. I am nowhere near cool enough to own an Apple product.

Just a boring Dell.

118 BongCrodny  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:02:11pm

re: #110 oaktree

Frozen fake flakes fail
Alaska, Minnesota.
Moose or Caribou?


Sarah Palin and
Jeff Flake of Arizona
Vote for “Frosted Flakes!”

119 Kragar  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:02:26pm

re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“They fuck you at the drive-thru!”
Joe Pesci (some movie he was in)

Lethal Weapon 3 IIRC

120 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:03:21pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Back in the day, Rush told me not to like him because he was a flakey, moonbeamey hippie. I disliked anyone who Rush told me to dislike.

I’m getting better. Now? I just dislike most of the fuckers.

If you told me anyone is a flakey, moonbeam hippie a dozen years ago, it was enough for me to love them.

Now I have to ask, “But do they love Israel?” (They usually don’t.)

I’m not convinced on Jerry Brown’s take on Israel. There’s some negative statements, but I don’t see the sources as credible.

121 bluecheese  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:04:11pm

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait! Not an Apple product. I am nowhere near cool enough to own an Apple product.

Just a boring Dell.

oh.

the apple ones last me about 8 months.
Cost is what you posted.

That’s a lot of money for a cord.

122 Winny Spencer  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:04:45pm

re: #115 Obdicut

It shows flakiness. He flaked out on his responsibility to serve in Vietnam.

Please tell me you’re not a Tancredo fan.

Of course not, but I have lived with anxiety disorders my entire life.

123 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:05:29pm

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait! Not an Apple product. I am nowhere near cool enough to own an Apple product.

Just a boring Dell.

You’ve been had.

124 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:08:07pm

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait! Not an Apple product. I am nowhere near cool enough to own an Apple product.

Just a boring Dell.

You got soaked. Badly.

126 latitude51  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:12:08pm

Wallace really hit a nerve. Truth hurts. If she doesn’t want his apology then he should take it back, stand corrected, and declare that she is indeed a flake.

127 Hawaii69  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:12:14pm

re: #6 mattand

I wonder what Ailes will make Wallace do now, since Bachmann is still mad. Maybe Chris will have to be her butler for a week, a la Seinfeld.

I’m sure everyone is aware of Matt Taibbi’s Rolling Stone article about Bachmann, but it’s definitely worth the time. This woman really does appear to have the most causal of relationships with reality.


I’m glad I read a bit of that, if only to remember that the name of that show was “Far Out Space Nuts”. Sid & Marty Krofft made great stuff.

128 bulworth  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:12:16pm

The only worse thing Wallace could have done was criticize Paul Ryan’s plan to end Medicare.

129 Kragar  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:13:04pm

Because the one thing you need for a perfectly peaceful nuclear and space program…

Iran unveils “ready” underground missile silos

130 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:13:59pm

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because the one thing you need for a perfectly peaceful nuclear and space program…

Iran unveils “ready” underground missile silos

Aw, shit!
The Morlocks have a space program!
/

131 Kragar  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:14:19pm

re: #125 Varek Raith

Judge blocks Georgia law targeting illegal immigrants

If the Judge was a vegetarian, should he have recused himself?

132 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:14:25pm

re: #122 Winny Spencer

Of course not, but I have lived with anxiety disorders my entire life.

Everyone I’ve met who went to Viet Nam expressed feeling some serious anxiety over the whole deal. Therefore I have a hard time giving Tancredo a pass on that account.

133 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:14:39pm

re: #125 Varek Raith

Judge blocks Georgia law targeting illegal immigrants

Yay. Now Kris Kobach gets to make more money by going there to defend the stupid law. Hate is profitable.

134 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:15:12pm

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If the Judge was a vegetarian, should he have recused himself?

Only if he is an illegal immigrant. Or foreign looking.
//

135 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:15:55pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

Everyone I’ve met who went to Viet Nam expressed feeling some serious anxiety over the whole deal. Therefore I have a hard time giving Tancredo a pass on that account.

It’s fucking war.
I don’t want to see someone who doesn’t show some kind of anxiety issue over it.

136 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:16:29pm

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because the one thing you need for a perfectly peaceful nuclear and space program…

Iran unveils “ready” underground missile silos

Hmmm I think we need to send out one of them there secret SEAL missions.

137 Winny Spencer  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:16:40pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

Everyone I’ve met who went to Viet Nam expressed feeling some serious anxiety over the whole deal. Therefore I have a hard time giving Tancredo a pass on that account.

Well yeah, that is a fair point.

138 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:18:00pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

Everyone I’ve met who went to Viet Nam expressed feeling some serious anxiety over the whole deal. Therefore I have a hard time giving Tancredo a pass on that account.

When someone asks Tancredo what his favorite magazines are, then we can talk.

Although shell shock may actually explain why he’s such a fucked up individual.

139 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:18:04pm

re: #136 marjoriemoon

I’d worry far more about Pakistan’s nukes right now. Based on the story higher up the thread.

Worry about Iran later.

140 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:18:13pm

re: #136 marjoriemoon

Hmmm I think we need to send out one of them there secret SEAL missions.

Afraid we’d need a bit more than that.

141 BishopX  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:18:43pm

re: #136 marjoriemoon

Hmmm I think we need to send out one of them there secret SEAL missions.

Only then can Obama finish his transformation into the dread lord Jimmy Carter, One Term president of DOOM!!!/

142 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:19:30pm

re: #139 ProLifeLiberal

re: #140 Varek Raith

We got The O. He’s invisible!

Youtube Video
143 martinsmithy  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:19:30pm

I take Michele Bachmann at her word. I believe that she is serious - deadly serious.

And that’s scary.

144 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:20:35pm

Later gators.

145 Hawaii69  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:22:07pm

“She’s trying to look like June Cleaver, but she actually looks like the T2 skeleton posing for a passport photo.”

This is some funny shit. Too True.

146 aagcobb  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:22:13pm

re: #125 Varek Raith

Judge blocks Georgia law targeting illegal immigrants

I wonder if the farmers who voted Republican realize now they were voting for their crops to rot in the fields? Looks like the Judge might have saved Georgia from itself.

147 Kragar  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:23:53pm

re: #146 aagcobb

I wonder if the farmers who voted Republican realize now they were voting for their crops to rot in the fields? Looks like the Judge might have saved Georgia from itself.

Stupid third branch of the government protecting people from the other 2.

148 Linden Arden  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:28:08pm

Michelle Bachmann confuses John Wayne with John Wayne Gacy in praise for her Iowa hometown.

Yikes!!

149 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:28:30pm

re: #146 aagcobb

I wonder if the farmers who voted Republican realize now they were voting for their crops to rot in the fields? Looks like the Judge might have saved Georgia from itself.

Too late, the damage is done, those laborers are gone and nothing will bring them back in time.

150 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:31:43pm

re: #42 engineer dog

The wrong John Wayne

Rep. Michele Bachmann kicked off her presidential campaign on Monday in Waterloo, Iowa, and in one interview surrounding the official event she promised to mimic the spirit of Waterloo’s own John Wayne.

The only problem, as one eagle-eyed reader notes: Waterloo’s John Wayne was not the beloved movie star, but rather John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer.

Mrs. Bachmann grew up in Waterloo, and used the town as the backdrop for her campaign announcement, where she told Fox News: “Well what I want them to know is just like, John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That’s the kind of spirit that I have, too.” (Someone has already posted the clip to YouTube under the name BachmannLovesGacy)

John Wayne, the movie legend, is in fact from Iowa and the John Wayne birthplace is a celebrated landmark — only it’s in Winterset, which is a nearly three hour drive away from Waterloo.

You should page that.

151 Kragar  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:31:58pm

re: #148 Linden Arden

Michelle Bachmann confuses John Wayne with John Wayne Gacy in praise for her Iowa hometown.

Yikes!!

Perhaps the Light Brigade could ride in to her rescue.

152 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:32:34pm

re: #138 marjoriemoon

When someone asks Tancredo what his favorite magazines are, then we can talk.

Is it seriously your contention that Katie Couric’s question on what Palin read to stay informed was sexist?

153 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:33:44pm

dre: #150 Alouette

comedy gold right there.

154 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:33:56pm

re: #150 Alouette

Fox News and wingnuts will change John Wayne’s birthplace and claim she was correct.

155 BongCrodny  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:34:46pm

re: #148 Linden Arden

Michelle Bachmann confuses John Wayne with John Wayne Gacy in praise for her Iowa hometown.

Yikes!!


Damn. She’s really flaky, isn’t she?

156 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:34:50pm

re: #139 ProLifeLiberal

I’d worry far more about Pakistan’s nukes right now. Based on the story higher up the thread.

Worry about Iran later.

Quite frankly, it seems the U.S. is a lot more engaged in Pakistan than anyone actually knows. After that teeny tiny, nonsignfiicant matter of KILLING THE #1 TERRORIST IN THE WORLD. I think that’s clear. This is not a pansy-ass administration or military. We kick major ass.

157 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:35:57pm

re: #11 JeffM70

How Christian of her to not say she forgave Wallace.

Eh, I think forgiveness is an overrated spiritual exercise. It would have been gracious of her to get over it, though.

OTOH, he was fairly out of line, although I can only imagine what’s going through his head as he watches this line-up line up.

158 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:36:22pm

re: #142 marjoriemoon

Iran can’t be happy about this either. The radical elements in Pakistan are predominately Sunni, and hate the Shia.

Iran would a target up there with India and Bangladesh.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:36:47pm

re: #21 jaunte

He could have said “what do you say to the people who think you’re a flake”, but it seemed to be implied by the lead-in.

Agree with bluecheese. Can’t see a guy being asked the same.

I CAN see a guy being asked what magazines he reads, so that was an OK question!!

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:37:18pm

re: #29 marjoriemoon

Sarah Palin, second round.

Second verse, same as the first!

161 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:37:26pm

re: #156 marjoriemoon

Then Pakistan started kicking out those who helped find the guy, and arrested informers.

There’s no good way to interpret theses actions.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:37:45pm

re: #32 BongCrodny

A Google search shows nearly 800,000 results for “Dennis Kucinich flaky.”

It ain’t a gender thing.

It’s a flake thing.

Yeah, but has anyone ever flat-out asked him that?

163 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:38:05pm

re: #152 goddamnedfrank

Is it seriously your contention that Katie Couric’s question on what Palin read to stay informed was sexist?

Yea kinda. It actually miffed me a little. I know they attack her for being stupid. Ok, but there’s a little curiosity in me when men are rarely asked these kinds of questions. Or if you can show me they are, I certainly don’t recall it, I’ll retract.

164 Kragar  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:38:17pm

Blago guilty on 17 counts

165 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:39:07pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

Not yet.

166 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:39:19pm

Isn’t it the usual Faux news practice to couch these questions in terms of “Some people say you are a flake…”

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:40:33pm

re: #39 marjoriemoon

I don’t agree. I think women have a harder time. Let me ask you, which male counterpart was ever asked what magazines they read or who Paul Revere is?

I’m not defending Palin. I hate her politics. I hated her politics 3 years ago, but it does get under my skin that women aren’t treated the same. Least, I don’t see it. We have to be that much tougher. Plenty of women blow off this kind of thing because they have to.

And here I’ll disagree a little—I think Palin got targeted because she was so obviously unprepared. It’s not that women don’t get asked condescending questions, it’s just that Kay Bailey Hutchinson, to name one female Republican, can answer them ably.

168 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:41:21pm

re: #158 ProLifeLiberal

Iran can’t be happy about this either. The radical elements in Pakistan are predominately Sunni, and hate the Shia.

Iran would a target up there with India and Bangladesh.

What’s weird is that last Thursday, 2 days (I think) before that article about Pakistan, Achmedineajad said that if he wants to make nukes, he will and no one can stop him (adding neener-neener under his breath).

Ok, I made that last part up.

[Link: www.google.com…]

“If we want to make a bomb we are not afraid of anyone and we are not afraid to announce it, no one can do a damn thing,” he said during a ceremony inaugurating a sewage treatment plant in southern Tehran.

169 jvic  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:43:42pm

Before I log off:

re: #82 Obdicut

Tancredo wants a moratorium on all immigration to the US, for the love of god, which would tank the economy overnight.

He also got out of Vietnam because of his anxiety disorder.

1. That’s worth knowing. However, immigration and war are distinct issues. Heaven willing, they will remain so. How volubly hawkish is Trancredo?

2. I support military action that advances America’s enlightened national interests, but have little use for bellicose draft dodgers like Cheney and Bolton.

Of course, the soundness of a policy is independent of a proponent’s life history. What sticks in my craw about the likes of Cheney & Bolton (other than their squandering of limited military, political and fiscal resources—and lives) is their blatantly phony manlier-than-thou personas.

3. Full disclosure: I was, and am, relieved that the Army did not put me in harm’s way during the nation’s kinetic escapade in Vietnam. Had they done so, my intention was to do my duty to the best of my ability.

170 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:44:57pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

And here I’ll disagree a little—I think Palin got targeted because she was so obviously unprepared. It’s not that women don’t get asked condescending questions, it’s just that Kay Bailey Hutchinson, to name one female Republican, can answer them ably.

I think that’s true about unpreparedness. I just called her stupid. Some days I feel more PC than others.

I really don’t see men getting asked these lowball questions. I don’t. No matter how unprepared or stupid they are. Even Rand Paul, also kind a newbie on the scene was asked policy related questions. Not “Are you a moron?” (flake, idiot, simpleton, flip-flopper, what’s the difference).

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:47:52pm

re: #66 Winny Spencer

Chris Wallace is a flake.

That, alas, is God’s own truth.

172 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:49:45pm

re: #169 jvic

He wants to nuke Mecca and Medina.

173 blueraven  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:51:10pm

re: #163 marjoriemoon

Yea kinda. It actually miffed me a little. I know they attack her for being stupid. Ok, but there’s a little curiosity in me when men are rarely asked these kinds of questions. Or if you can show me they are, I certainly don’t recall it, I’ll retract.

Maybe not magazines, but Couric asked Obama and McCain about favorite books.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]

174 Kragar  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:51:17pm

And the Bachmann defenders spin the John Wayne story


Michele Bachmann misstated Iowa (and Hollywood) history when she said John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa, but she may have been thinking of Wayne’s parents, who had at least a brief connection to the town
175 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:55:36pm

re: #60 JasonA

You’re better than this. Palin was never asked who Paul Revere was. She was asked how her trip was going and what had she learned. Come on…

Sorry I missed this. No, she was asked point blank who Paul Revere was.

I’m not finding the video proof, but it was clear at the time. You could hear the reporter asking her the question. I’m sure Charles has it here.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com…]

One moment that you won’t find posted on the blog is Palin’s response to reporters when they asked her who Paul Revere was. Instead of saying, “Come on, everyone knows who Paul Revere, the silversmith and patriot is,” she stammered while saying this:

176 BongCrodny  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:58:44pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, but has anyone ever flat-out asked him that?


Probably not — although I’d guess that if it was asked of anyone, Kucinich would be as likely as anyone else.

Without having proof either way, I’d still be willing to bet that Jerry Brown has been called worse in interviews.

177 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:58:58pm

re: #173 blueraven

Maybe not magazines, but Couric asked Obama and McCain about favorite books.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]

Well there ya go.

178 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:59:50pm

re: #174 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And the Bachmann defenders spin the John Wayne story

LOL Except that his father wasn’t named JOHN.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 1:05:01pm

re: #122 Winny Spencer

Of course not, but I have lived with anxiety disorders my entire life.

I have anxiety problems myself, but I have to ask if anyone doesn’t, in a war zone.

180 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 1:08:23pm

re: #175 marjoriemoon

Sorry I missed this. No, she was asked point blank who Paul Revere was.

I’m not finding the video proof, but it was clear at the time. You could hear the reporter asking her the question. I’m sure Charles has it here.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com…]

Yes, in fact Charles does have it here, and you’re flat wrong. The question was:

“What have you seen so far today, and what are you going to take away from your visit?”

181 Kragar  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 1:11:27pm

re: #178 marjoriemoon

LOL Except that his father wasn’t named JOHN.

And he was named Marion Robert Morrison at birth.

182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 1:20:40pm

re: #121 bluecheese

That’s a lot of money for a cord.

S’what I was thinking.

183 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 1:43:22pm

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

Yes, in fact Charles does have it here, and you’re flat wrong. The question was:

Frank, I’ll find it because I heard it on the video. That link shows no video.

184 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 2:18:43pm

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

Yes, in fact Charles does have it here, and you’re flat wrong. The question was:

I can’t find it. I remember going back to look at the specific question asked of her. I was pissed because I’m cranky at what I perceive as lowball questions thrown at women, even women I don’t like, so when this stuff comes up, I try to pay attention. I recalled her being asked the question, but I can’t find it so maybe it’s an error in my memory bank.

I promise you this. I’ll watch for lowball questions directed at men and alert you if I find any.

185 BongCrodny  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 2:30:02pm

re: #184 marjoriemoon

I can’t find it. I remember going back to look at the specific question asked of her. I was pissed because I’m cranky at what I perceive as lowball questions thrown at women, even women I don’t like, so when this stuff comes up, I try to pay attention. I recalled her being asked the question, but I can’t find it so maybe it’s an error in my memory bank.

I promise you this. I’ll watch for lowball questions directed at men and alert you if I find any.


Not sure they count as the same, but here are a couple things from Ted Koppel that he asked of Gary Hart and Michael Dukakis in 1987 and 1988:

Koppel (to Hart): Did you have an affair with Ms. Rice?

Koppel (to Dukakis): With all due respect, let me suggest to you I still don’t think you get it.


Granted, it’s not quite the same as asking if someone is a flake, but I’d consider either one of these to be “lowball.”

186 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 3:14:25pm

re: #184 marjoriemoon

Asking Palin what magazines she reads wasn’t a lowball. It was a softball. She just flubbed it.

187 Mattand  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 4:14:09pm

re: #127 Hawaii69

I’m glad I read a bit of that, if only to remember that the name of that show was “Far Out Space Nuts”. Sid & Marty Krofft made great stuff.

I’d forgotten all about that show until I read the article. I can even still remember parts of the theme song.

188 Petero1818  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 4:33:56pm

Yes of course. It is offensive to allege that someone may not be serious but perfectly fine to allege that someone running for office hates America and is a Manchurian candidate.

189 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 5:01:59pm

re: #185 BongCrodny

Not sure they count as the same, but here are a couple things from Ted Koppel that he asked of Gary Hart and Michael Dukakis in 1987 and 1988:

Koppel (to Hart): Did you have an affair with Ms. Rice?

Koppel (to Dukakis): With all due respect, let me suggest to you I still don’t think you get it.

Granted, it’s not quite the same as asking if someone is a flake, but I’d consider either one of these to be “lowball.”

What else can one ask Gary Hart?

190 Severus  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 5:06:27pm

Hmm, isn’t Ms Bachmann staking a good portion of her candidacy on her “Christianity”? In the version of Christianity I was raised on forgiveness was a major part of it. But that was before the new hate filled Christianity 2.0 took hold.

191 morrisab  Mon, Jun 27, 2011 7:12:31pm

re: #184 marjoriemoon

No, she was asked, “What have you seen so far today and what are you going to take away from your visit?”

Jon Stewart does a pretty good recap, including the quote from Morning Joe with the actual question. I don’t know why you’re so insistent on rewriting history to make it look like Sarah Palin’s a poor little helpless victim. You ought to get paid for that; God knows she pays enough other people to do so.

“It doesn’t make it a gotcha question just because it got ‘ya.’” - Jon Stewart

Comedy Central Video

*And even if the question was “Who was Paul Revere,” I’d ask her that just to see what kind of word salad would result. She looked freakin’ *insane* when she was trying to formulate that… sentence /paragraph /salad.

192 ThomasLite  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:52:06pm

re: #186 Obdicut

Asking Palin what magazines she reads wasn’t a lowball. It was a softball. She just flubbed it.

then again, an honest answer would probably be rather embarrassing there :) . not that that makes it a lowball question, of course.


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