Actual Headline vs. Fox News Headline
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The actual Reuters headline:
The Fox News headline:
(Click the images for the full articles. h/t: Killgore Trout.)
324 comments
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:43:05am |
What do you expect from a "news" organization owned by Murdoch? It's all tabloid sensationalist bullshit.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:44:23am |
They're just unhappy right now because it has become painfully apparent that they're the ones who don't care about the rights of others and their little empire is crumbling down around them.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:44:25am |
Republicans have painted themselves into a corner in these debt negotiations. Their attempts to spin are getting ridiculous.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:44:54am |
Fox has foot on the tabloid platform, and ready to jump all the way over...odd how such a rich, star studded, powerful company can achieve that
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windsagio Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:45:45am |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
I think they expected Obama to fold way more than he has.
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Spocomptonite Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:46:36am |
"Obama threatens", right. Damn budget reality having that damn liberal bias.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:47:20am |
Real Headline:
Obama fights off a rabid bear attacking a small girl, and gives the child a lollipop
Fox Headline:
Obama violates own environmental protection laws while encouraging diabetes in children.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:47:30am |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
Republicans have painted themselves into a corner in these debt negotiations. Their attempts to spin are getting ridiculous.
And Obama just threw gasoline on the fire. I'd hate to be handling the phones in Boehner's or Cantor's offices today.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:47:53am |
They both have this:
President Barack Obama raised the stakes in the third straight day of budget talks on Tuesday by warning that senior citizens and veterans may suffer first if the debt ceiling is not raised by August 2.
Pointing out that there are stakes is not the same as raising them.
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sagehen Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:48:16am |
re: #7 Obdicut
"If he walked on water, they'd say he can't swim."
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:48:26am |
Who would have thought that the British policy of dumping all their criminals on an island for years and years would have resulted in the emergence of a super villain....
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:48:38am |
Who would actually determine what get paid first? Is that Treasury's call?
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:48:52am |
re: #9 wrenchwench
They both have this:
Pointing out that there are stakes is not the same as raising them.
How dare he mention consequences!!1!
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Spocomptonite Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:49:57am |
re: #11 SpaceJesus
Who would have thought that the British policy of dumping all their criminals on an island for years and years would have resulted in the emergence of a super villain...
I sense a plot to a comic book that's eventually made into a multi-billion dollar movie.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:50:32am |
re: #5 windsagio
I think they expected Obama to fold way more than he has.
They did. They expected it'd be a rerun of the unemployment benefit: Threaten to allow a default unless Obama agreed to their demands, holding out until the last second to make it seem that they were "serious." He'd fold like a cheap suit, give them all their demands, and they'd be set to take those demands into budget talks later this year and into next.
Problem is, Obama not only called their bluff, but turned their own threats back upon them, such that now it looks as though they're putting America at risk just to protect the top 1%. Now he's laid the final card on the table, telling Americans that if the GOP leadership allows a default, then it's not going to be painless, it's not going to be quiet, and everybody's gonna take a bite of the shit sandwich.
It's Boehner's move now.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:50:36am |
re: #12 Obdicut
Who would actually determine what get paid first? Is that Treasury's call?
I would hope congress would get the ax first
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:51:58am |
re: #14 Spocomptonite
I sense a plot to a comic book that's eventually made into a multi-billion dollar movie.
Rise of the Murdoch
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windsagio Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:53:35am |
re: #12 Obdicut
per DOT rule 15293.242.82, you take the letters of the persons full name, convert them into numbers, add those numbers together, invert the sum, and then take the 10th-20th digits as the order of payment.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:53:49am |
I think Jim Hoft must be writing the headlines for Fox Nation.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:54:29am |
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Zathras Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:54:45am |
re: #12 Obdicut
Who would actually determine what get paid first? Is that Treasury's call?
Nobody knows. There is no procedure for deciding which appropriations to prioritized. Refusing to lift the debt ceiling creates a constitutional crisis no matter what Obama does.
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thatthatisis Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:57:00am |
Wait, did anyone else see the news that Ron Paul is not running for reelection to his House seat? Interesting.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:57:15am |
re: #7 Obdicut
Real Headline:
Obama fights off a rabid bear attacking a small girl, and gives the child a lollipop
Fox Headline:
Obama violates own environmental protection laws while encouraging diabetes in children.
Fox had a headline last month saying "Another Rancher Killed on the Border". The deceased's family was upset because "he was a businessman, not a rancher!" I bet Fox never anticipated someone taking that as an insult.
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RanchTooth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:57:18am |
From TPM:
BREAKING: McConnell Opens the Escape Hatch
Josh Marshall | July 12, 2011, 2:40PM
We're just getting the first word on this. So the details may be subject to clarification. But Senate Minority Leader has just suggested the GOP will give President Obama his debt limit increase without any spending cuts with a legislative maneuver that in essence allows Republicans to say it's all Obama's fault.If that sounds bizarre, well, it is pretty bizarre. But that's what he said. More in a moment.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:57:33am |
re: #21 Zathras
Nobody knows. There is no procedure for deciding which appropriations to prioritized. Refusing to lift the debt ceiling creates a constitutional crisis no matter what Obama does.
all elected officials, from BO down to the freshman reps lose their pay and don't make one again until a deal is made
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:58:41am |
Why not include a link to the article itself? It could be instructive to see what the actual content of the Reuters story is.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:58:44am |
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:59:09am |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:59:30am |
re: #26 lostlakehiker
Why not include a link to the article itself? It could be instructive to see what the actual content of the Reuters story is.
The images are links to the articles...
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recusancy Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:59:44am |
re: #26 lostlakehiker
Why not include a link to the article itself? It could be instructive to see what the actual content of the Reuters story is.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:59:54am |
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:00:11pm |
Ot, but Newt explains the Constitution to us:
[Link: delong.typepad.com...]
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blueraven Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:01:16pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:01:21pm |
re: #31 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch.
And not getting your coat sleeve caught on the door handle.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:01:26pm |
re: #5 windsagio
I think they expected Obama to fold way more than he has.
I think Republicans miscalculated big time.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:01:52pm |
re: #32 Bulworth
This is the guy the right thinks is the brains of conservatism
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:02:35pm |
re: #31 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch.
Okay, here's how it would work:
It’s beginning to get out on the Hill. It’s complicated, but here is the gist as I understand it: Congress authorizes in legislation the president to submit a request for an increase in the debt limit in three tranches over the next year or so, with corresponding proposals for spending cuts; when the president submits his request, Congress immediately considers a resolution of disapproval; if the resolution passes, the president can veto it and–assuming his veto is subsequently upheld–he gets the increase in the debt limit. Got it? More later…
They just want to be able to vote against the debt ceiling and have Obama veto them!
It's kayfabe! It's pro-wrestling. They want Obama to wear the "I'm a bad guy outfit" even though what they're doing is giving him the authority to raise the debt.
Fucking hilarious.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:02:36pm |
re: #33 blueraven
I just heard the video clip on MSNBC. Evidently McConnell wants to raise the ceiling just enough to get past the 2012 election...no further details.
Or they could just increase the debt ceiling and then get to work on the damn budget for 2012 and through the budget process, you know, make public an array of tax and spending decisions, etc.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:02:44pm |
Slightly more detail:
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has proposed a sort of escape hatch for Congressional Republicans, who have threatened not to raise the national debt limit -- and trigger a default -- if Democrats don't agree to trillions of dollars in cuts to popular social programs.
The plan is designed to give President Obama the power to raise the debt limit through the end of his first term on his own, but to force Democrats to take a series of votes on the debt limit vote in the months leading up to the election.
The development confirms suspicions that the GOP was unwilling to truly use the looming debt ceiling as leverage to force conservative-friendly changes to popular entitlement programs, but suggests strongly that Republicans plan to continue politicking on the issue of debt and deficits through the 2012 elections.
They just got their asses handed to them. This is the absolute best they can get. Rubes.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:03:18pm |
re: #24 RanchTooth
From TPM:
Senate GOP mulls new debt strategy
I read it but I have no idea what it means.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:03:29pm |
re: #39 makeitstop
Slightly more detail:
They just got their asses handed to them. This is the absolute best they can get. Rubes.
And I'm loving the rage. Both the Freepers and Red State are apoplectic right now. It's a hoot.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:03:58pm |
re: #39 makeitstop
Slightly more detail:
They just got their asses handed to them. This is the absolute best they can get. Rubes.
Heh. They want a rallying cry of "The Democrats are voting for debt!" while hoping nobody says "And you gave them the power to do that, remember?"
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:04:01pm |
re: #24 RanchTooth
Punch out, Maverick!
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:04:11pm |
re: #38 Bulworth
Or they could just increase the debt ceiling and then get to work on the damn budget for 2012 and through the budget process, you know, make public an array of tax and spending decisions, etc.
That would require actual work. You think that's going to happen?
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:04:41pm |
re: #41 Lidane
And I'm loving the rage. Both the Freepers and Red State are apoplectic right now. It's a hoot.
Obama is probably sitting at his desk, laughing his ass off right now.
He probably never gets tired of doing this.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:04:42pm |
The plan is designed to give President Obama the power to raise the debt limit through the end of his first term on his own, but to force Democrats to take a series of votes on the debt limit vote in the months leading up to the election.
But since the House is in GOP hands, increasing the debt ceiling would still require GOP votes. So, the GOP would be in the same corner.
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recusancy Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:05:44pm |
re: #37 Obdicut
Okay, here's how it would work:
They just want to be able to vote against the debt ceiling and have Obama veto them!It's kayfabe! It's pro-wrestling. They want Obama to wear the "I'm a bad guy outfit" even though what they're doing is giving him the authority to raise the debt.
Fucking hilarious.
They probably ran it by Luntz who focus grouped a few meme's that will work with this come election time.
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Ming Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:05:44pm |
I know a few people who honestly BELIEVE those headlines from Fox News. This is extremely dangerous. Thanks in part to Fox News, there are literally millions of Americans who honestly think that Obama is an enemy of America. The consequences could be disastrous.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:05:49pm |
re: #37 Obdicut
Okay, here's how it would work:
They just want to be able to vote against the debt ceiling and have Obama veto them!It's kayfabe! It's pro-wrestling. They want Obama to wear the "I'm a bad guy outfit" even though what they're doing is giving him the authority to raise the debt.
Fucking hilarious.
Yep, Obama turned up the heat enough that the GOP leadership couldn't take it any longer and is making a grab for the ejection lever. Frakin' pathetic.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:06:09pm |
re: #46 Bulworth
No, this bill would artificially create a 2/3 vote necessary to overturn it. No clue if that's actually possible or constitutional or whatever.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:06:19pm |
re: #45 makeitstop
Obama is probably sitting at his desk, laughing his ass off right now.
He probably never gets tired of doing this.
Especially when Mitch McConnell just got Erick Erickson to pull out the Drudge siren:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Hahahaha.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:07:06pm |
re: #24 RanchTooth
From TPM:
That's fine...say it's all Obama's fault. Just like giving 30 million more Americans eventual access to medical care is all his fault. And when the Jobs start showing up more regularly, that, too can be all Obama's fault. Obama doesn't mind getting the blame/credit for his actions.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:07:24pm |
re: #14 Spocomptonite
I sense a plot to a comic book that's eventually made into a multi-billion dollar movie.
Starring or directed by Mel Gibson?
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:07:24pm |
re: #50 Obdicut
No, this bill would artificially create a 2/3 vote necessary to overturn it. No clue if that's actually possible or constitutional or whatever.
A 2/3 vote in both houses of Congress. Yeah. That'll happen.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:07:26pm |
re: #52 Stanley Sea
My god, that photo of McConnell.
[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]
Deer in headlights, about to get run over by the Obama steamroller.
How sweet it is!
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:08:24pm |
re: #51 Lidane
Especially when Mitch McConnell just got Erick Erickson to pull out the Drudge siren:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Hahahaha.
Freakin' priceless.
Note to self: Never, ever play poker with Barack Obama.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:08:31pm |
re: #55 Lidane
A 2/3 vote in both houses of Congress. Yeah. That'll happen.
Right. It's all a big fake. They're trying to bet that their followers are so stupid they won't understand what they did.
That's their real, actual plan. They're betting on those that vote for them being uninformed idiots. They want Fox Nation to hear nothing but lies and believe them.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:10:22pm |
MO ate a cheese burger...it's all over the net
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:10:30pm |
re: #58 Obdicut
Right. It's all a big fake. They're trying to bet that their followers are so stupid they won't understand what they did.
That's their real, actual plan. They're betting on those that vote for them being uninformed idiots. They want Fox Nation to hear nothing but lies and believe them.
If I'm understanding it correctly, any debt ceiling increase request will also come with a spending proposal, which means they can also claim that they're "voting against tax increases."
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:10:42pm |
Still testing the Facebook Like button - unfortunately there seems to be a latency problem somewhere. If the button is clicked shortly after a post appears at LGF, the number changes to '1' but then immediately goes back to nothing, and the Like doesn't appear at FB. Anyone else noticed this?
The solution I found is to run the Facebook Lint app at: [Link: developers.facebook.com...]
After running Lint the Facebook Like button behaves itself; this must update whatever caches are not getting flushed, or whatever transaction isn't being committed across their DB servers. I hope Facebook fixes this problem soon.
In the meantime I wrote a quick Javascript bookmarklet that does the Lint operation with one click.
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:10:43pm |
the fox spin works against their other story line of "go ahead and default - who cares?"
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RanchTooth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:10:50pm |
The problem is both the debt ceiling AND the deficit however. The the GOP thinks that they can use this strategy to get out of closing tax loopholes and other new taxes, I think they're very wrong. New taxes should be a part of any deal passed by this congress, although the debt ceiling is obviously the imminent threat.
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allegro Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:11:02pm |
re: #58 Obdicut
Right. It's all a big fake. They're trying to bet that their followers are so stupid they won't understand what they did.
That's their real, actual plan. They're betting on those that vote for them being uninformed idiots. They want Fox Nation to hear nothing but lies and believe them.
Hell that's a bet I would take in a heartbeat. A sure winner.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:11:39pm |
re: #52 Stanley Sea
My god, that photo of McConnell.
[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]
I do believe his jowels are erect with fear.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:11:46pm |
re: #18 windsagio
per DOT rule 15293.242.82, you take the letters of the persons full name, convert them into numbers, add those numbers together, invert the sum, and then take the 10th-20th digits as the order of payment.
Wouldn't work. Too many people would be in the same group.
But seriously, I'd think the first priority would be to meet any legal obligations. Debts of the U.S. must be paid on time and in full. Social security and other transfer payment programs are not statutory obligations. Benefits are scheduled, but the schedule is not legally binding. If the U.S. runs out of credit, those payments can be postponed or scrubbed.
Bond payments, wages, etc. have to come first.
It's not exactly a threat, if the president brings this fact up for consideration.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:11:54pm |
re: #63 engineer dog
the fox spin works against their other story line of "go ahead and default - who cares?"
Consistency or logic has never been a Faux News hallmark.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:12:36pm |
re: #29 Charles
The images are links to the articles...
I tried that and it didn't work. But I guess that was simply because it didn't work on that try.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:12:36pm |
re: #64 RanchTooth
The problem is both the debt ceiling AND the deficit however. The the GOP thinks that they can use this strategy to get out of closing tax loopholes and other new taxes, I think they're very wrong. New taxes should be a part of any deal passed by this congress, although the debt ceiling is obviously the imminent threat.
Ayep, because unless the GOP wishes to close out this year without passing a budget, then they're going to have to face this shit again. And the Ryan Plan is DOA in the Senate, so they're gonna have to compromise in the conference committee if they want a budget to send to Obama.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:13:19pm |
Fox (video)What Happens When U.S. Defaults
On Aug 3, $23B in Social Security checks are supposed to go out – “They will almost certainly, definitely go out,” says Varney• On Aug 15, we have to pay an interest bill of $30B on debt that’s already outstanding – “That will almost certainly be paid,” explained Varney, and so on and so on, “but sooner or later someone will not get the check they are expecting and that will be called a technical default, different than a mainline default, but a default nonetheless”
"Why are we living like this?"
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RanchTooth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:14:32pm |
re: #70 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ayep, because unless the GOP wishes to close out this year without passing a budget, then they're going to have to face this shit again. And the Ryan Plan is DOA in the Senate, so they're gonna have to compromise in the conference committee if they want a budget to send to Obama.
That's probably when that will flare up again... like a bad case of tax herpes. Terpes.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:14:39pm |
re: #56 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Deer in headlights, about to get run over by the Obama steamroller.
How sweet it is!
I love the headline "McConnell Blinks" because from that picture, it looks like blinking isn't even "on the table."
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BishopX Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:15:20pm |
This "escape hatch" the GOP is floating sounds awfully like a legislative veto. Which has been unconstitutional for almost 30 years...
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blueraven Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:15:34pm |
re: #64 RanchTooth
The problem is both the debt ceiling AND the deficit however. The the GOP thinks that they can use this strategy to get out of closing tax loopholes and other new taxes, I think they're very wrong. New taxes should be a part of any deal passed by this congress, although the debt ceiling is obviously the imminent threat.
Yes, of course. The President asked for a clean debt ceiling vote and then to start serious negotiations to face the debt crisis. The GOP wanted to play politics and hold the economy hostage to their demands.
Meanwhile the President offers to meet them more than halfway and they walk away. All this time we should have been focused on jobs. But the shiny object was to bright for the GOP to ignore.
It could cost them dearly.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:15:49pm |
re: #65 allegro
Hell that's a bet I would take in a heartbeat. A sure winner.
That's a sucker bet, like taking insurance in Blackjack.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:16:11pm |
re: #31 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch.
The easy part about playing chicken is knowing not to play.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:17:04pm |
re: #74 BishopX
This "escape hatch" the GOP is floating sounds awfully like a legislative veto. Which has been unconstitutional for almost 30 years...
Maybe this is part of the Teabag Party Constitutional "originalism" agenda.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:17:23pm |
It Is Time To Burn Mitch McConnell In Effigy. He Goes Pontius Pilate On the Debt Ceiling.
Yes, this is so much like killing Jesus Christ, son of God...
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:17:28pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Fox (video)What Happens When U.S. Defaults
"Why are we living like this?"
That's the 10,000 $ question!!
We're borrowing to pay S.S. payments??
What's worse...from the Chinese??
Mind boggling...........
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:17:57pm |
re: #74 BishopX
This "escape hatch" the GOP is floating sounds awfully like a legislative veto. Which has been unconstitutional for almost 30 years...
Well, nobody said the Republicans gave a crap about the constitution. And the funny thing about this is, McConnell and Boehner are obviously in sync on this plan. Boehner said the debt ceiling is "Obama's problem" - basically abdicating all budget and debt responsibility for the House...and that's their number 1 responsibility after passing laws against women's uteruses and renaming post offices.
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Zathras Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:18:56pm |
re: #74 BishopX
That was my thought too. The interesting part is that in Chadha and other cases where this came up, the main part of the law was allowed to stand and just the legislative veto was struck down. Sounds great in this instance.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:20:53pm |
The plan would require Congress to pass a bill allowing Obama to raise the debt limit on his own contingent on him taking a series of steps: Obama would have to notify Congress of his intent tor raise the debt limit -- a high-sign to Congress that would be subject to an official censure known as a "resolution of disapproval," and which Obama could veto. If he vetoed the resolution, and if Congress sustained the veto, then Obama would also have to outline a series of hypothetical spending cuts he'd make, equal to the amount of new debt authority he gives himself.
WTF? What a bunch of clowns. But we knew that already...
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BishopX Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:21:28pm |
re: #78 Bulworth
Maybe this is part of the Teabag Party Constitutional "originalism" agenda.
Originalism needs to be redefined as assuming that the constitution originally said what you now want it to say. Sort of a Schrodinger's constitution if you will.
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blueraven Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:21:48pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Fox (video)What Happens When U.S. Defaults
"Why are we living like this?"
Because according to the GOP millionaires need 200K in tax breaks and, because liberal Democrats refuse to even discuss medicare/ss.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:21:54pm |
re: #77 lostlakehiker
The easy part about playing chicken is knowing not to play.
"Strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"
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Jaerik Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:22:02pm |
*rolls eyes*
Really, I can't think of any further comment.
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:22:22pm |
Fox Nation or Fox News has managed to surpass The Drudge Report in their "creatively enhanced" totally bullshit and rewritten headlines that have nothing to do with reality. I've never seen such outright unprofessionalism on the part of a so called "news" organization. It's complete utter garbage not even worthy of your average septic tank.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:22:53pm |
high-sign to Congress that would be subject to an official censure known as a "resolution of disapproval," and which Obama could veto.
My American Government basics are a little rusty, but I'm pretty sure a congressional "resolution" has all the authority as a wad of phlegm.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:23:06pm |
update: Arizona Lawmaker, Reporter Disagree On Whether She Pointed Gun At Him
She says the reporter sat down in front of her handgun as she aimed it at a sofa.
"The photographer, who was behind me at the time, asked me to show him the laser sight and I did so, turning it on and shining it on the wall in front of me (away from the photographer). During this demonstration, the reporter came and sat down in the sofa in front of me, placing himself in the line of the laser sight."He noticed the light, then I noticed the light, then I turned it off."
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:23:24pm |
re: #75 blueraven
Yes, of course. The President asked for a clean debt ceiling vote and then to start serious negotiations to face the debt crisis. The GOP wanted to play politics and hold the economy hostage to their demands.
Meanwhile the President offers to meet them more than halfway and they walk away. All this time we should have been focused on jobs. But the shiny object was to bright for the GOP to ignore.
It could cost them dearly.
The president's offer is that first the GOP vote a clean debt ceiling increase, and then----what? He has made many promises that he has not kept. Many ways of keeping any promise of "serious debt reduction talks" might well lead nowhere. A debt limit increase does not of itself solve our debt problems, because somewhere out there, and not that far from where we are, there is a soft debt limit that, as we hit it, our credit rating with the world boils away.
Some combination of tax increases that actually yield revenue increases, and cuts that actually cut, both of them in a major way, is going to be required.
Historically, the U.S. has never collected anything like 30% of GDP in taxes. The ceiling seems to be in the low 20's. Right now we're collecting below 20 and spending somewhere in the 30's. Unless "This Time Is Different" is our game plan, we cannot expect any tax law changes to actually yield 30% + of the GPD for the federal govt. That means spending cuts will have to be very substantial.
[Actual yield: the yield the govt receives in the out years, after people have had a chance to adjust their tax planning to the new laws. For instance, if the law said all income above 100K was taxed at 100%, you'd get a lot this year, but none next year, from that provision.]
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:23:39pm |
re: #89 Bulworth
My American Government basics are a little rusty, but I'm pretty sure a congressional "resolution" has all the authority as a wad of phlegm.
Hit someone in the back of the head with a wad of phlegm, and it will stick...unlike a congressional "resolution"...
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:24:57pm |
re: #90 Killgore Trout
update: Arizona Lawmaker, Reporter Disagree On Whether She Pointed Gun At Him
Could have been worse...he could have been interviewing this guy
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:25:50pm |
I don't get it! You'd think Fox would say:
"Obama To Seniors: Stop Taking Government Handouts"
At least be consistent about Social Security!
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:26:07pm |
re: #90 Killgore Trout
update: Arizona Lawmaker, Reporter Disagree On Whether She Pointed Gun At Him
Thanks! That's better than the update I was going to post.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:28:10pm |
After seeing McConnell show his belly, the only thing that would make this day better would be more bad news for Rupert Murdoch.
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blueraven Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:28:23pm |
re: #91 lostlakehiker
The president's offer is that first the GOP vote a clean debt ceiling increase, and then---what? He has made many promises that he has not kept. Many ways of keeping any promise of "serious debt reduction talks" might well lead nowhere. A debt limit increase does not of itself solve our debt problems, because somewhere out there, and not that far from where we are, there is a soft debt limit that, as we hit it, our credit rating with the world boils away.
Some combination of tax increases that actually yield revenue increases, and cuts that actually cut, both of them in a major way, is going to be required.
Historically, the U.S. has never collected anything like 30% of GDP in taxes. The ceiling seems to be in the low 20's. Right now we're collecting below 20 and spending somewhere in the 30's. Unless "This Time Is Different" is our game plan, we cannot expect any tax law changes to actually yield 30% + of the GPD for the federal govt. That means spending cuts will have to be very substantial.[Actual yield: the yield the govt receives in the out years, after people have had a chance to adjust their tax planning to the new laws. For instance, if the law said all income above 100K was taxed at 100%, you'd get a lot this year, but none next year, from that provision.]
Did you miss the part where the President met them over halfway? 3 to 1 cuts over increased revenue?
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RanchTooth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:28:27pm |
Even Demon Sheep Can find a New Home: Carly Fiorina is Now the Vice-Chair of NRSC
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:28:33pm |
Why on Earth did Obama vote to lower the employee contribution to Social Security by 2% as part of the stimulus? I'm still scratching my head over that one.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:29:33pm |
re: #96 makeitstop
After seeing McConnell show his belly, the only thing that would make this day better would be more bad news for Rupert Murdoch.
First Ron Paul announced he's not running for reelection, then Obama brought the hammer down on Boehner and Cantor's heads, and now McConnell has sent up the white flag.
I'd say it's Miller Time.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:29:58pm |
re: #99 reuven
Why on Earth did Obama vote to lower the employee contribution to Social Security by 2% as part of the stimulus? I'm still scratching my head over that one.
To attempt to get consumers to spend more money (by making sure they had some).
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:30:49pm |
re: #95 wrenchwench
Thanks! That's better than the update I was going to post.
The woman is a nutcase. Shouldn't there be charges of brandishing a weapon like that. I know az has open carry but that's pretty insane.
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blueraven Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:31:21pm |
re: #99 reuven
Why on Earth did Obama vote to lower the employee contribution to Social Security by 2% as part of the stimulus? I'm still scratching my head over that one.
Because the GOP insisted that tax cuts be 1/3 of the stimulus and his economic team decided this was the most effective tax cut for the middle class. Of course the GOP still didn't vote for it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:31:34pm |
re: #60 albusteve
MO ate a cheese burger...it's all over the net
I don't believe I was aware of a single thing Laura Bush ate for the entire eight years her husband was in office, and that was OK with me.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:31:46pm |
Cantor Strangles Infant To Make Debt Ceiling Point
Members of the House Republican Caucus stood by smiling and Tea Party protesters cheered as House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-9th Ring of Hell) strangled a six-week old child on the front steps of the Capitol Building today to demonstrate how far Republicans were willing to go to preserve tax breaks for the super-wealthy in the current debt ceiling crisis.
As House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) stood there and wept, Cantor did most of the talking at the hastily called press conference, which coincided with a Tea Party rally taking place nearby on the Capitol Mall.
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:31:48pm |
re: #101 wrenchwench
To attempt to get consumers to spend more money (by making sure they had some).
Ok! Then we shouldn't be concerned when it runs out of money. I'm certainly no fan of the Republican's behavior here, but Obama could have handled this better. He's given his share of deficit-raising tax breaks, too.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:32:16pm |
re: #90 Killgore Trout
update: Arizona Lawmaker, Reporter Disagree On Whether She Pointed Gun At Him
So after being asked she deliberately turned the laser on to demonstrate against a wall, then the reporter sat down on a couch placing himself in the path of the beam, then the reporter noticed the beam, and only after all that did she notice the beam from her own weapon which she'd deliberately turned on for said demonstration.
Yeah, that's believable.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:32:22pm |
re: #100 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
First Ron Paul announced he's not running for reelection, then Obama brought the hammer down on Boehner and Cantor's heads, and now McConnell has sent up the white flag.
I'd say it's Miller Time.
Too right. A little more heat on Murdoch would be real nice, though.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:33:25pm |
re: #102 Killgore Trout
The woman is a nutcase. Shouldn't there be charges of brandishing a weapon like that. I know az has open carry but that's pretty insane.
She's just pandering to her base. Actually, I don't think it's pandering in her case. Her base found somebody to love. I think the reporter has a case of some kind if he wanted to make one, but that's not the side his bread is buttered on.
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thatthatisis Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:33:27pm |
OK, I'll admit I don't get any of this legislative Twister. Can someone smarter than me, explain what's going on?
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:34:18pm |
re: #100 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
First Ron Paul announced he's not running for reelection, then Obama brought the hammer down on Boehner and Cantor's heads, and now McConnell has sent up the white flag.
I'd say it's Miller Time.
Not only that, but the wingnuts are in full outrageous outrage mode, at least if RedState is anything to go by. It's glorious.
The glee I'm feeling over all their freakouts is making my slow work day go faster. Hahaha!
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:35:09pm |
re: #100 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
First Ron Paul announced he's not running for reelection, then Obama brought the hammer down on Boehner and Cantor's heads, and now McConnell has sent up the white flag.
I'd say it's Miller Time.
Ron Paul not running for reelection means he's ready to retire after one more season of presidential campaigning and fucking with the GOP. Besides, his son is in the Senate ready to scuttle any compromise between McConnell and Obama...secret hold, anyone?
Still, it'll be good for Ron Paul to take some time off to yell at clouds.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:35:51pm |
re: #111 Lidane
Not only that, but the wingnuts are in full outrageous outrage mode, at least if RedState is anything to go by. It's glorious.
The glee I'm feeling over all their freakouts is making my slow work day go faster. Hahaha!
RedState - they're such an amateur "political" blog that their pasty-white leader got picked up by CNN.
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RanchTooth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:36:01pm |
re: #110 thatthatisis
OK, I'll admit I don't get any of this legislative Twister. Can someone smarter than me, explain what's going on?
Basically, instead of needing Congress to approve an increase in the debt ceiling, what McConnell is calling for is Obama to have the ability to call for the increase himself. Congress would then vote on the ability to block it (which they would need a 2/3 majority), rather than approve it. So, in all essence, the Executive Branch would have the power to increase the debt limit as they please.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:37:10pm |
Basically, instead of needing Congress to approve an increase in the debt ceiling, what McConnell is calling for is Obama to have the ability to call for the increase himself. Congress would then vote on the ability to block it (which they would need a 2/3 majority), rather than approve it. So, in all essence, the Executive Branch would have the power to increase the debt limit as they please.
In other words, all that fuss we've been kicking up for the past X months, never mind.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:38:10pm |
re: #109 wrenchwench
She's just pandering to her base. Actually, I don't think it's pandering in her case. Her base found somebody to love. I think the reporter has a case of some kind if he wanted to make one, but that's not the side his bread is buttered on.
I dunno. I'm pretty sure that most pro-gun people are/would be rather horrified by this, unless they had several screws loose.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:38:38pm |
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:38:39pm |
Basically, instead of needing Congress to approve an increase in the debt ceiling, what McConnell is calling for is Obama to have the ability to call for the increase himself. Congress would then vote on the ability to block it (which they would need a 2/3 majority), rather than approve it. So, in all essence, the Executive Branch would have the power to increase the debt limit as they please.
In other words, all that fuss we've been kicking up for the past X months, never mind.
Fixed.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:38:53pm |
re: #115 Bulworth
What I don't get is... wouldn't the Republicans have to vote to give the President this power. I mean, how the hell does this help them??
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:38:59pm |
re: #111 Lidane
Holy crap. "It's time to burn Mitch McConnell in effigy. He goes Pontius Pilate on the Debt Ceiling." Pontius Pilate? The Debt Ceiling really was the Republicans "savior"...at least in their peanut-sized minds.
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blueraven Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:39:01pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
Not so far from Colbert's question to Grover Norquist recently.
If all the grandmas were being held in a basement, with the threat of honey being poured on them and letting fireants loose, would you raise 1 dollar of taxes?
Norquist answered that we could console ourselves with the photos we all have of our grandmas.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:39:20pm |
Health Care Bill/Homosexuality are Illuminati Plots to Reduce Population
John Benefiel, an endorser of Gov. Rick Perry's "The Response" prayer rally, says homosexuality is plot by the Illuminati to limit the size of the global population.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:39:26pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:39:42pm |
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:40:04pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:40:28pm |
re: #116 Simply Sarah
I dunno. I'm pretty sure that most pro-gun people are/would be rather horrified by this, unless they had several screws loose.
There's pro-gun people who are simply pro-gun, and then there is a small, deranged, fringe that believes that gun safety is a plot to disarm them.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:40:49pm |
re: #124 darthstar
Looks like a blockquote didn't get blockquoted.
But I refudiate any and all accusations of plagiarism.
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:41:09pm |
re: #125 Bulworth
Yes.
That happened to me, too, yesterday. But it seems to be working now. Maybe we need to send LGF another check so they can fix a bug or two.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:41:38pm |
re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth
Health Care Bill/Homosexuality are Illuminati Plots to Reduce Population
[Video]
The number one thing that reduces birth rates is education for women. (It could also be argued that a society that lets women learn to use an electron microscope is a society that lets her decide if she wants eleven kids or not.)
Ergo--Female education is an illuminati plot.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:41:45pm |
re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth
He also hates the Statue of Liberty.
Rick Perry Ally Hates The Statue Of Liberty
Not an Onion story...
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:41:49pm |
re: #112 darthstar
Ron Paul not running for reelection means he's ready to retire after one more season of presidential campaigning and fucking with the GOP. Besides, his son is in the Senate ready to scuttle any compromise between McConnell and Obama...secret hold, anyone?
Still, it'll be good for Ron Paul to take some time off to yell at clouds.
From the looks of it, the Texas GOP finally got tired of the Faustian deal they've had going with him and redrew his district such that his reelection bid would be harder, if not impossible.
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:41:49pm |
re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth
Health Care Bill/Homosexuality are Illuminati Plots to Reduce Population
[Video]
IOW. Perry's "prayer rally" is 6 degrees away from Jeff Rense and all the other conspiracy lunatics. Heck, might as well throw in Alex Jones. Considering that Matt Drudge has a liking for him as do most of the wingnuts today. This is what's become of the right? Whew. I need a drink. Again.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:41:51pm |
re: #128 reuven
That happened to me, too, yesterday. But it seems to be working now. Maybe we need to send LGF another check so they can fix a bug or two.
Actually I think the error was all on me. I inadvertently enclosed everything in the block quote thing.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:42:12pm |
re: #127 Bulworth
But I refudiate any and all accusations of plagiarism.
Heh. That would have been terribly unlucky timing, if it had been. The worst ever.
My favorites are when I quote without anything showing up at all. So it's just.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:43:35pm |
re: #119 JasonA
What I don't get is... wouldn't the Republicans have to vote to give the President this power. I mean, how the hell does this help them??
I sense a moving-the-goalposts moment...
From $4 Trill in cuts to $2 trill in cuts to $0 in cuts plus a "President Obama is a doo-doo head" resolution.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:43:49pm |
re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist
There's pro-gun people who are simply pro-gun, and then there is a small, deranged, fringe that believes that gun safety is a plot to disarm them.
True. I just like to think that the latter is small enough that the former one marginalizes them, at least outside of NRA leadership. I can't be a pessimist all the time, you know?
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:44:08pm |
re: #116 Simply Sarah
I dunno. I'm pretty sure that most pro-gun people are/would be rather horrified by this, unless they had several screws loose.
It's Arizona. From her campaign site:
Endorsed by
Sheriff Joe Arpaio
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:44:35pm |
I took a gander at the comments at FoxNation on this and they are unbelievably stupid. Completely devoid of reality.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:45:04pm |
re: #135 Bulworth
I sense a moving-the-goalposts moment...
From $4 Trill in cuts to $2 trill in cuts to $0 in cuts plus a "President Obama is a doo-doo head" resolution.
I suspect RedState et al have the jumped the shark a bit. I soon expect a wave of teabag memes about how the GOP sure fixed Obama, etc.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:45:13pm |
re: #130 JasonA
He also hates the Statue of Liberty.
Rick Perry Ally Hates The Statue Of Liberty
Not an Onion story...
Dear Gravel, he's like an evangelical Alex Jones.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:45:29pm |
re: #138 Varek Raith
I took a gander at the comments at FoxNation on this and they are unbelievably stupid. Completely devoid of reality.
How is that different from any other day?
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RanchTooth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:45:46pm |
re: #119 JasonA
What I don't get is... wouldn't the Republicans have to vote to give the President this power. I mean, how the hell does this help them??
By doing this with no spending cuts, it sends the message that Obama really doesn't care about fixing the budget deficit, another sticking point for any and all GOPers. Plus, they no longer have to worry about attaching revenue measures (read: taxes) to the debt ceiling negotiations. That's what they get from it.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:45:56pm |
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:46:13pm |
re: #140 Slumbering Behemoth
Dear Gravel, he's like an evangelical Alex Jones.
Almost like a David Icke of Christ...
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:47:06pm |
re: #119 JasonA
What I don't get is... wouldn't the Republicans have to vote to give the President this power. I mean, how the hell does this help them??
What's happened is the GOP leadership, caught between a rock and hard place, has thrown up their collective hands and declared "We can't get anything done with Obama in the White House!" So they're offering him this "deal" where they sign off on any future debt ceiling increases, except they don't really because they'll be voting against them every time. And this deal is only good until next November, which they expect will see them put back in the White House and in the Senate majority, allowing them to push through their agenda without Democrat interference.
This isn't so much "method to madness" as "madness as a method."
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:47:10pm |
re: #142 RanchTooth
By doing this with no spending cuts, it sends the message that Obama really doesn't care about fixing the budget deficit, another sticking point for any and all GOPers. Plus, they no longer have to worry about attaching revenue measures (read: taxes) to the debt ceiling negotiations. That's what they get from it.
So...it's equivalent to increasing the debt ceiling with no strings attached. Like increasing the debt ceiling has been done in all other congresses.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:47:29pm |
re: #142 RanchTooth
By doing this with no spending cuts, it sends the message that Obama really doesn't care about fixing the budget deficit, another sticking point for any and all GOPers. Plus, they no longer have to worry about attaching revenue measures (read: taxes) to the debt ceiling negotiations. That's what they get from it.
But but but... he still gets to raise the debt ceiling.
I'm sorry, it's just that the optics of this seem incredibly bizarre to me.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:47:42pm |
re: #115 Bulworth
Basically, instead of needing Congress to approve an increase in the debt ceiling, what McConnell is calling for is Obama to have the ability to call for the increase himself. Congress would then vote on the ability to block it (which they would need a 2/3 majority), rather than approve it. So, in all essence, the Executive Branch would have the power to increase the debt limit as they please.
In other words, all that fuss we've been kicking up for the past X months, never mind.
That's the impression that I'm getting. I also think they're still blocking further budget cuts. So basically they're going to blame the deficit and bloated budget on Obama and they still have the luxury of making symbolic "no" votes because they won't have a super majority.
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:47:54pm |
re: #138 Varek Raith
I took a gander at the comments at FoxNation on this and they are unbelievably stupid. Completely devoid of reality.
No way! Here I thought that Fox Nation readers were the creme de la creme of American intelligentsia.
Before I was thinking Fox Stormfront Nation. OK, I'll be semi kind and say Stormfront Lite™.
//
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:48:08pm |
re: #137 wrenchwench
It's Arizona. From her campaign site:
Well then. I, uh...I have nothing that can really counter that.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:48:17pm |
This isn't so much "method to madness" as "madness as a method."
hey, indeedy.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:48:33pm |
re: #138 Varek Raith
I took a gander at the comments at FoxNation on this and they are unbelievably stupid. Completely devoid of reality.
Anything new to report on the moisture content of dihydrogen monoxide?
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:48:57pm |
re: #130 JasonA
He also hates the Statue of Liberty.
Rick Perry Ally Hates The Statue Of Liberty
Not an Onion story...
This is a fascinating religious theory. He makes the leap from "idol" to "demonic idol" very quickly. While it does pass the "idol" sniff test for me (As a Jew, for example, I wouldn't kneel before it. But I wouldn't hesitate to visit it), I can't see anything "demonic" about it.
From the Chabad website.
[Link: www.chabad.org...]
These would be the last people on earth to do anything that resembles Idol worship. Yet they have no objection--in fact they celebrate--going to Liberty Island and praying there, right next to Lady Liberty.
If the Statue of Liberty is an idol, so are many war memorial statues across the Nation. So is the Great Seal of the United States. And there are quite a few Christian practices when, taken out of context, can appear to be idolatrous.
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:49:08pm |
re: #153 Slumbering Behemoth
Anything new to report on the moisture content of dihydrogen monoxide?
It's wet. Gravel told me as such. It is written.
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:49:21pm |
re: #136 Simply Sarah
True. I just like to think that the latter is small enough that the former one marginalizes them, at least outside of NRA leadership. I can't be a pessimist all the time, you know?
Hard to tell. I was raised by a man for whom gun safety was only slightly below his Catholic faith in terms of life priorities, but I've come to realize that not everyone is my dad...
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:50:01pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
That's the impression that I'm getting. I also think they're still blocking further budget cuts. So basically they're going to blame the deficit and bloated budget on Obama and they still have the luxury of making symbolic "no" votes because they won't have a super majority.
It's like in the Naked Gun movies where Drebben starts paying an informant for information then the informant wants to know why Drebben wants to know and starts paying Drebben back...
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:50:03pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
That's the impression that I'm getting. I also think they're still blocking further budget cuts. So basically they're going to blame the deficit and bloated budget on Obama and they still have the luxury of making symbolic "no" votes because they won't have a super majority.
We could use an increase in spending and weather the debt increase for a couple of years...it will create jobs, jobs, jobs, and in 2013 we can start cutting back on wasteful spending - like prosecuting marijuana clubs, the military, hyperbolic border control, oil subsidies, the farm bill, etc...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:50:14pm |
re: #154 reuven
This is a fascinating religious theory. He makes the leap from "idol" to "demonic idol" very quickly. While it does pass the "idol" sniff test for me (As a Jew, for example, I wouldn't kneel before it. But I wouldn't hesitate to visit it), I can't see anything "demonic" about it.
From the Chabad website.
[Link: www.chabad.org...]
These would be the last people on earth to do anything that resembles Idol worship. Yet they have no objection--in fact they celebrate--going to Liberty Island and praying there, right next to Lady Liberty.
If the Statue of Liberty is an idol, so are many war memorial statues across the Nation. So is the Great Seal of the United States. And there are quite a few Christian practices when, taken out of context, can appear to be idolatrous.
You mean YOU don't go and make yearly offerings of baseballs, apple pies, and hot dogs?
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:50:45pm |
re: #159 EmmmieG
I grew up in NY. Of course I went to the Statue of Liberty!
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allegro Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:51:20pm |
re: #76 Lidane
That's a sucker bet, like taking insurance in Blackjack.
I meant betting on the Fox audience being uninformed and misinformed. That's a guarantee.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:51:34pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
That's the impression that I'm getting. I also think they're still blocking further budget cuts. So basically they're going to blame the deficit and bloated budget on Obama and they still have the luxury of making symbolic "no" votes because they won't have a super majority.
That's great work, GOP. You went from getting $4 trill in cuts, plus taking the Bush tax cuts off the table, to Nothing. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:51:36pm |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
Hard to tell. I was raised by a man for whom gun safety was only slightly below his Catholic faith in terms of life priorities, but I've come to realize that not everyone is my dad...
Everyone who isn't needs a hard wallop upside the head.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:51:41pm |
re: #142 RanchTooth
By doing this with no spending cuts, it sends the message that Obama really doesn't care about fixing the budget deficit, another sticking point for any and all GOPers. Plus, they no longer have to worry about attaching revenue measures (read: taxes) to the debt ceiling negotiations. That's what they get from it.
Except that the wingnuts in the GOP base aren't falling for it. The GOP leadership might as well be suggesting we sell the country to China as far as they're concerned.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:52:05pm |
You know why the Greeks are now paying 18% interest on their Government bonds? Because they had to refinance the debt that they would have defaulted on otherwise by borrowing even more money from the E.U.
To think that the American Government which has always been considered the gold standard of bonds will not have to pay higher rates after actually defaulting on it's bonds is ludicrous. A default will do nothing to solve our debt problems, in fact it will make them much worse because the treasury will then be forced to pay much higher interest on it's bonds to try to continually refinance even our existing debt.
You have to realize that fully half the population of this country (at least) is too stupid and/or financially ignorant to realize this. Look at the polling, it is still split almost 50/50 as to whether people want the debt ceiling raised or "Budget cuts!"
So at least half of the people polled know so little about this countries finances that they believe that simple/superficial budget cuts could stop the debt hemorrhage. We are dealing with idiots here, we really are, they have no idea that 'unfunded mandatory" spending between now and 2050 amounts to about 92 trillion dollars according to the GAO.
Both sides are going to have to give, both sides are going to have to get creative to avoid this countries bankruptcy. Higher taxes and lower social service benefits are an inescapable fact of life, sorry but we now really have to start paying for the excesses of the past. It sucks, because obviously people will suffer, but they will suffer even more if the social programs are eliminated entirely as the GOP now advocates. (while cutting taxes even more)
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:52:14pm |
re: #164 Lidane
Except that the wingnuts in the GOP base aren't falling for it. The GOP leadership might as well be suggesting we sell the country to China as far as they're concerned.
The Base hasn't gotten the memo yet.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:52:17pm |
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to kneel before me..."
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:52:20pm |
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:52:28pm |
re: #160 reuven
I grew up in NY. Of course I went to the Statue of Liberty!
You'd be surprised at how many New Yorkers have never gone to NY landmarks.
My first girlfriend in NY had never been to the Empire State Building until I took her there.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:52:42pm |
re: #153 Slumbering Behemoth
Anything new to report on the moisture content of dihydrogen monoxide?
It's wet.
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:52:42pm |
re: #130 JasonA
He also hates the Statue of Liberty.
Rick Perry Ally Hates The Statue Of Liberty
Not an Onion story...
Why... It's, it's... It's French that's what it is. He's right! It's a false idol given to us by the French! Murica should be idolizing a European secular symbol! It was a trick all along by the secular-atheist-homosexual-socialist Europeans!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:52:49pm |
re: #160 reuven
I grew up in NY. Of course I went to the Statue of Liberty!
Well of course, but did you offer up the offering of a burnt apple pie? A Betty Crocker book? A Davy Crocker lunchpail? Or some other such uber-American item?
The point of an idol is to make offerings in front of it to bring about prosperity, so SOMEBODY isn't doing their job, obviously.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:52:49pm |
re: #167 JasonA
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to kneel before me..."
She does have some sweet looking thighs.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:53:17pm |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
Hard to tell. I was raised by a man for whom gun safety was only slightly below his Catholic faith in terms of life priorities, but I've come to realize that not everyone is my dad...
Mmm...I guess. In general, anyone I've encountered that works with/carries a firearm has been pretty aware of proper safety, but I must also admit (Not for the first time) that I've lived a rather sheltered life so far.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:53:31pm |
re: #155 Gus 802
It's wet. Gravel told me as such. It is written.
//
OK. I keep seeing mentions of Gravel. Is the joke about the little rocks, or did Mike Gravel say something stupid or what?
| 176 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:53:51pm |
re: #167 JasonA
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to kneel before me..."
omnomnom
| 177 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:54:01pm |
re: #175 Lidane
OK. I keep seeing mentions of Gravel. Is the joke about the little rocks, or did Mike Gravel say something stupid or what?
Do. Not. Get. Them. Started.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:54:14pm |
re: #170 Varek Raith
It's wet.
The science isn't settled on that. There are alternative theories that disagree.
///
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:54:19pm |
re: #167 JasonA
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to kneel before me..."
See? Proof of demonic symbolism!
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:54:26pm |
Now all the wingnut mouth breathers will fall in line.
"Why I hates the Statues of Liberty."
"Heck. The first letters are l-i-b. Just like in the word liberal."
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:54:57pm |
re: #175 Lidane
OK. I keep seeing mentions of Gravel. Is the joke about the little rocks, or did Mike Gravel say something stupid or what?
I missed it as well, but I think it's another whatever you call it
| 182 |
Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:55:27pm |
re: #175 Lidane
OK. I keep seeing mentions of Gravel. Is the joke about the little rocks, or did Mike Gravel say something stupid or what?
Ask Slumbering Behemoth. He's our Earthly leader. ;)
| 183 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:55:29pm |
"Raise the ceiling or this puppy gets it!"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:56:14pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
Not only earthly, but also beyond the gravel.
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:56:24pm |
re: #169 makeitstop
My brother lives in Manhattan (Here we are, last January -- I'm the younger, better looking one)
Image: 5238442895_2fc1eb1c09_z.jpg
...and even he does "touristy" things, like ride the Circeline once a year. But he has never seen "Cats."
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:56:38pm |
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:57:06pm |
I'm surprised nobody has suggested lowering the debt floor.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:57:15pm |
re: #151 Simply Sarah
Well then. I, uh...I have nothing that can really counter that.
I also just figured out she's the one who read this racist letter on the floor of the AZ Senate. She caught a little flak for it, but she didn't write it, so she wasn't hurt, I don't think. She's a freshman. Maybe she'll be a one termer.
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:57:59pm |
re: #188 wrenchwench
I also just figured out she's the one who read this racist letter on the floor of the AZ Senate. She caught a little flak for it, but she didn't write it, so she wasn't hurt, I don't think. She's a freshman. Maybe she'll be a one termer.
Ha! She'll be running for president in 2016.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:58:09pm |
re: #185 reuven
My brother lives in Manhattan (Here we are, last January -- I'm the younger, better looking one)
Image: 5238442895_2fc1eb1c09_z.jpg
...and even he does "touristy" things, like ride the Circeline once a year. But he has never seen "Cats."
that's Toledo...you don't fool anyone
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:58:17pm |
re: #185 reuven
My brother lives in Manhattan (Here we are, last January -- I'm the younger, better looking one)
Image: 5238442895_2fc1eb1c09_z.jpg
...and even he does "touristy" things, like ride the Circeline once a year. But he has never seen "Cats."
Still haven't gotten around to the Circleline...
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:58:56pm |
re: #187 reuven
I'm surprised nobody has suggested lowering the debt floor.
Guy's a fucking retard if you ask me, but I didn't vote for him, so he's not my problem.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:59:08pm |
re: #191 JasonA
Still haven't gotten around to the Circleline...
killer gig...did it when I was 16, and I'd do it again in a NY second
| 194 |
Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:59:17pm |
re: #191 JasonA
Still haven't gotten around to the Circleline...
You should take one to West Point. Really nice.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:59:33pm |
re: #188 wrenchwench
I also just figured out she's the one who read this racist letter on the floor of the AZ Senate. She caught a little flak for it, but she didn't write it, so she wasn't hurt, I don't think. She's a freshman. Maybe she'll be a one termer.
Yep. She's the type that seems like she'll either be one term or will become a darling that sticks around forever, depending on who is actually living in her district.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:59:42pm |
re: #194 Gus 802
You should take one to West Point. Really nice.
Why is West Point on the east coast, anyway?
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:59:46pm |
re: #185 reuven
My brother lives in Manhattan (Here we are, last January -- I'm the younger, better looking one)
He dresses better.
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:59:50pm |
re: #192 darthstar
No! That's lowering the ceiling.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:00:11pm |
re: #194 Gus 802
You should take one to West Point. Really nice.
Christ, that's practically upstate.
/
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:00:23pm |
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:01:12pm |
re: #185 reuven
My brother lives in Manhattan (Here we are, last January -- I'm the younger, better looking one)
Image: 5238442895_2fc1eb1c09_z.jpg
...and even he does "touristy" things, like ride the Circeline once a year. But he has never seen "Cats."
The first year I was going out with my future wife, we got tickets for a Circle Line cruise to the East River, to watch the Fourth of July fireworks show. We worked really hard to get to the stern of the boat so we could see the fireworks, but when they got to where they were going to drop anchor, they turned the boat around.
And it was 100+ degrees that day. We swore off Circle Line after that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:01:20pm |
re: #175 Lidane
OK. I keep seeing mentions of Gravel. Is the joke about the little rocks, or did Mike Gravel say something stupid or what?
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:01:45pm |
re: #201 Varek Raith
What you're proposing is sorcery.
I approve.
Still no match for a good blaster at your side.
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:02:04pm |
re: #198 reuven
Why not simply move the walls?
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:02:06pm |
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:02:09pm |
re: #197 wrenchwench
He dresses better.
Yes! My jacket is poking out beneath my coat! Now that I checked the date, I see this was actually December. I was in NY to see Pee Wee Herman on Broadway. Only the highest-of-highbrow stuff for me. (My brother, an attorney, has worked with his sister Abby Rubenfeld [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] )
Ok! It's 1:00PM! I have to earn some more money to pay for the inevitable tax increases.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:02:09pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
Ask Slumbering Behemoth. He's our Earthly leader. ;)
It's a rotating position. I think you're in charge next week.
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:03:04pm |
re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth
It's a rotating position. I think you're in charge next week.
Eeek! I better bone up and read my copy of "The Book of Gravel."
//
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:03:15pm |
re: #195 Simply Sarah
Yep. She's the type that seems like she'll either be one term or will become a darling that sticks around forever, depending on who is actually living in her district.
Heh. From that second link:
[Sen. Steve] Gallardo later said he had moved on from the comments."Sticks and stones. I've been called a lot worse. Besides, she carries a gun, so I can't be mad at her," Gallardo quipped about Klein, who is known to carry a firearm in her purse inside the Senate building.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:03:20pm |
lolol
Here We Go Into The Twilight Zone
We are now about to enter that discontinuum of time and space where Republicans never threatened to withhold approval for raising the debt ceiling, never used it as leverage in negotiations, and thought all along that preserving the full faith and credit of the United States should trump short term political gain. Here's the statement just out from the spokesman for Speaker John Boehner (R-OH):
"The Speaker shares the Leader's frustration. Republicans are unified in our commitment to ensuring that the debt limit is not used as leverage to saddle small businesses with increased taxes that destroy jobs.
Let's do the time warp again."
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:03:46pm |
re: #205 Sergey Romanov
Why not simply move the walls?
You mean start taxing non-Americans? I kind of like that idea.
(Of course I do. Everyone likes the idea of taxing someone else.)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:03:52pm |
re: #209 Gus 802
And remember, The Word is written in Stone.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:04:06pm |
re: #98 RanchTooth
Even Demon Sheep Can find a New Home: Carly Fiorina is Now the Vice-Chair of NRSC
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
I sincerely hope she brings her patented style of incompetent leadership to the NRSC and leaves it in the same condition she left DEC/Compaq/HP: Dead and or dying.
| 216 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:04:16pm |
The whole world is performing a race to the bottom.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:04:22pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:05:02pm |
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:05:03pm |
re: #214 Slumbering Behemoth
And remember, The Word is written in Stone.
And on the first day Gravel made beer. Then atheists. And it was good.
//
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:05:22pm |
re: #213 EmmmieG
You mean start taxing non-Americans? I kind of like that idea.
(Of course I do. Everyone likes the idea of taxing someone else.)
I'd actually be quite satisfied if they simply raised every tax bracket, from 15% to 35%, by 1 point. Including my bracket.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:05:53pm |
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:06:15pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:06:15pm |
re: #219 Gus 802
HERITIC IT WAS ATHIESTS FISTR THEN BEER I WIL BERY YOU IN GRAVEL
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:06:27pm |
re: #210 wrenchwench
Heh. From that second link:
Ugh...why must reality insist on shooting down what few hopes and dreams that I still retain?
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:06:58pm |
re: #225 Simply Sarah
Ugh...why must reality insist on shooting down what few hopes and dreams that I still retain?
Here, take my +1 Reality Disruptor.
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:07:26pm |
re: #224 Sergey Romanov
HERITIC IT WAS ATHIESTS FISTR THEN BEER I WIL BERY YOU IN GRAVEL
I was merely trying to appease the theists and unbelievers of Gravel. For they too like beer.
//
| 228 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:07:26pm |
| 229 |
albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:07:39pm |
re: #216 000G
The whole world is performing a race to the bottom.
I don't know...I'm fine here in NM, where the world goes by and few pay much attention
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:08:07pm |
re: #224 Sergey Romanov
HERITIC IT WAS ATHIESTS FISTR THEN BEER I WIL BERY YOU IN GRAVEL
And thus began the first schism in the Gravelist ranks, between the Atheians and the Beerians.
/
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:08:13pm |
re: #227 Gus 802
I was merely trying to appease the theists and unbelievers of Gravel. For they too like beer.
//
It's like the druids and the Christmas tree. Although we have a Gravel Pit and celebrate Gravelmas.
//
| 232 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:08:21pm |
re: #224 Sergey Romanov
HERITIC IT WAS ATHIESTS FISTR THEN BEER I WIL BERY YOU IN GRAVEL
Great. We just got our first "splitter".
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:09:16pm |
re: #231 Gus 802
It's like the druids and the Christmas tree. Although we have a Gravel Pit and celebrate Gravelmas.
//
Um, what do you eat for your holidays?
| 235 |
Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:09:36pm |
re: #226 Varek Raith
Here, take my +1 Reality Disruptor.
I think I'm going to need more than a beer at this rate.
| 236 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:09:37pm |
re: #222 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Re
treatwrite! Retreatwrite!
| 237 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:09:41pm |
re: #227 Gus 802
I was merely trying to appease the theists and unbelievers of Gravel. For they too like beer.
//
Gravel is thy sin, my son. Thou shalt do a penance - a six-pack of Bud Light and 300 Hail Gravels.
| 238 |
makeitstop Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:09:45pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:09:49pm |
re: #231 Gus 802
It's like the druids and the Christmas tree. Although we have a Gravel Pit and celebrate Gravelmas.
//
Gravelmas? Bah! I celebrate Festivus!
//
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:10:38pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:10:46pm |
re: #229 albusteve
I don't know...I'm fine here in NM, where the world goes by and few pay much attention
we got rain yesterday!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:11:19pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:11:22pm |
re: #233 Gus 802
It's cool. He wants to be a "splitter"? We push a sledgehammer on him and put him to work "splitting" Gravel from The Great Stone.
| 246 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:11:59pm |
| 247 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:12:30pm |
| 248 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:12:57pm |
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:12:58pm |
re: #245 Slumbering Behemoth
It's cool. He wants to be a "splitter"? We push a sledgehammer on him and put him to work "splitting" Gravel from The Great Stone.
Not to be confused with "The Great Monolith of 2001: A Space Odyssey". Which is actually another splitter sect of the true and original Gravel.
//
| 251 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:13:07pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:13:18pm |
re: #242 wrenchwench
we got rain yesterday!
it rained for 5 minutes right on top of me two days ago...I went and sat on the patio and got wet...heard some thunder too...
and it looks like today is the day we break the 100deg mark after 3 weeks...a very pleasant 88deg right now
| 253 |
kirkspencer Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:13:26pm |
Always with the first day crap. It was just practice. On the last day he created Single Malt Scotch, and he did rest knowing it was not only good but perfect.
| 255 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:13:56pm |
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu G'ravlyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
| 256 |
justaminute Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:13:59pm |
I love it. Right now the House is voting on the Light Bulb bill. Well, they certainly have their fingers on the pulse of the nation.
| 257 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:14:26pm |
re: #245 Slumbering Behemoth
It's cool. He wants to be a "splitter"? We push a sledgehammer on him and put him to work "splitting" Gravel from The Great Stone.
You, gravel-gazer, you.
| 258 |
wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:14:57pm |
re: #256 justaminute
I love it. Right now the House is voting on the Light Bulb bill. Well, they certainly have their fingers on the pulse of the nation.
On the neck. With a lot of pressure...
| 259 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:15:05pm |
re: #256 justaminute
I love it. Right now the House is voting on the Light Bulb bill. Well, they certainly have their fingers on the pulse of the nation.
What's the light bulb bill?
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:15:14pm |
re: #256 justaminute
I love it. Right now the House is voting on the Light Bulb bill. Well, they certainly have their fingers on the pulse of the nation.
"We just capitulated to Obama, big time. What do we do to please the base?"
"Quick, get the Light Bulb bill up to a vote!"
| 261 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:15:52pm |
re: #250 JasonA
You shall freeze for all eternity in the icy depths of the Wicked One.
| 262 |
Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:16:00pm |
re: #256 justaminute
I love it. Right now the House is voting on the Light Bulb bill. Well, they certainly have their fingers on the pulse of the nation.
Are you suggesting they're actually in the dark?
| 264 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:17:03pm |
re: #259 EmmmieG
What's the light bulb bill?
As best as I can tell, it is intended to repeal a ban that does not exist.
| 266 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:17:11pm |
re: #261 Slumbering Behemoth
You shall freeze for all eternity in the icy depths of the Wicked One.
That's some wicked taxidermy, for sure ;)
| 267 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:17:49pm |
re: #263 Gus 802
Go with Gravel.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:18:09pm |
re: #261 Slumbering Behemoth
You shall freeze for all eternity in the icy depths of the Wicked One.
Image: 2838%20-%20300%20animals%20iceberg%20madness%20penguin%20sparta.jpg
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abolitionist Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:18:57pm |
re: #187 reuven
I'm surprised nobody has suggested lowering the debt floor.
I think the problem there is that, sooner or later, it could reach to China.
/
| 270 |
wrenchwench Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:19:14pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:19:19pm |
re: #268 Varek Raith
Image: 2838%20-%20300%20animals%20iceberg%20madness%20pen guin%20sparta.jpg
Incidentally, I have a new theory of evolution of lemmings.
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:21:57pm |
I'm really surprised that our govt takes such a strict anti-Kaddafi stand.
(Sorry for RT link)
[Link: rt.com...]
"We support the African Union’s initiative to start negotiations between representatives of Tripoli and the representative of the Benghazi-based Transitional National Council on the understanding that Gaddafi himself of course would not have any place in the future Libya and that Gaddafi himself would not participate in those discussions,” Lavrov said.
| 273 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:22:23pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:25:45pm |
One night I had a dream--
I dreamed I was walking along the quarry with the Great One
and across the sky flashed scenes from my life.
For each scene I noticed two sets of footprints,
one belonged to me and the other to the Lord.
When the last scene of my life flashed before me,
I looked back at the footprints in the gravel.
I noticed that many times along the path of my life,
there was only one set of footprints.
I also noticed that it happened at the very lowest
and saddest times in my life.
This really bothered me and I questioned the Gravely One about it.
"Great Gravel, you said that once I decided to follow you,
you would walk with me all the way,
but I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life
there is only one set of footprints.
"I don't understand why in times when I needed you most,
you should leave me."
Of Stone and Dust He replied:
"Whaddaya want from me?!? I was getting a beer".
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justaminute Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:27:55pm |
re: #264 Slumbering Behemoth
As best as I can tell, it is intended to repeal a ban that does not exist.
As best as I know it a cheer for the old light bulbs (that no one makes any more) because they don't meet the energy standards that President Bush set. Of course they forget President Bush signed the legislation, and the new bulbs save a lot of money and electricity. Does that make sense, because it sure doesn't to me.
| 276 |
Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:29:10pm |
Ugh. Flies everywhere today. Damn things are annoying in these numbers.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:30:28pm |
re: #275 justaminute
As best as I know it a cheer for the old light bulbs (that no one makes any more) because they don't meet the energy standards that President Bush set. Of course they forget President Bush signed the legislation, and the new bulbs save a lot of money and electricity. Does that make sense, because it sure doesn't to me.
It doesn't make sense to the the people that make light bulbs, either, since they supported the original legislation.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:30:49pm |
re: #275 justaminute
I'll see if I can dig up the link...
But from what I read, there was no ban on incandecents, but a series of increased efficiency standards for incandecents that would take affect along a certain time line. And yes, signed by Bush.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:33:27pm |
Drudge apparently is helping the set the stage for the GOP's excuses now that they're capitulating. He's still got the "threaten" storyline red-lined, but the upper-left story titles are all about how debt talks have "broken down" (funny, thought they did that days ago) and the quote about how "'real solution" not possible with Obama in office."
Really, that's likely to be the GOP's excuse for why they just gave in to Obama: They weren't going to get a "real solution" otherwise. By "real solution," of course, they mean they weren't going to get a debt-reduction bill that was all cuts and no new revenue. So they're punting the ball, despite saying at the beginning of this that they wouldn't, all the til 2013.
Ladies and gentlemen, your tax dollars at work. (Ugh)
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:34:58pm |
re: #278 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll see if I can dig up the link...
But from what I read, there was no ban on incandecents, but a series of increased efficiency standards for incandecents that would take affect along a certain time line. And yes, signed by Bush.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
and
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:35:49pm |
re: #275 justaminute
Aha! Link.
Federal legislation
In December 2007, many of these state efforts became moot when the federal government enacted the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which requires all general-purpose light bulbs that produce 310–2600 lumens of light[30] be 30% more energy efficient (similar to current halogen lamps) than current incandescent bulbs by 2012 to 2014. The efficiency standards will start with 100-watt bulbs in January 2012 and end with 40-watt bulbs in January 2014.
Light bulbs outside of this range are exempt from the restrictions. Also exempt are several classes of specialty lights, including appliance lamps, rough service bulbs, 3-way, colored lamps, and plant lights.
By 2020, a second tier of restrictions would become effective, which requires all general-purpose bulbs to produce at least 45 lumens per watt (similar to current CFLs). Exemptions from the Act include reflector flood, 3-way, candelabra, colored, and other specialty bulbs.[31]
H/T Gus 802 (I think)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:36:50pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
Ya beat me to it. Good show!
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sagehen Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:38:08pm |
re: #58 Obdicut
That's their real, actual plan. They're betting on those that vote for them being uninformed idiots. They want Fox Nation to hear nothing but lies and believe them.
It'll work. They know their market...
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:38:10pm |
re: #280 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So they're punting the ball, despite saying at the beginning of this that they wouldn't, all the til 2013.
It's pretty remarkable. The Republican plan is to just do nothing, hand everything over to Obama in hopes that he gets the blame if things go wrong. It's almost like the Republicans aren't even holding office, they just want to pass the buck on everything. I think Obama might take them up on their offer. He can raise the debt ceiling, make unilateral budget cuts and let the GOP have their silly symbolic votes.
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:38:32pm |
re: #283 Slumbering Behemoth
Ya beat me to it. Good show!
Yeah. I remembered it was passed in 2007. And Bush sure did support the CFL component of the bill which I noted in the thread about repealing the "incandescent light bulb ban."
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:40:07pm |
This is pretty funny:
Compact fluorescent lamps are an existing technology that currently exceed the EISA 2007 requirements for lumens per watt. Another lesser known existing technology that also meets the minimum EISA requirements is energy efficient halogen bulbs (see below). Representative Ted Poe contends that the United States Constitution does not give the federal government the power to determine what light bulbs people are allowed to use. EPA recommendations state that compact fluorescent light bulbs should be recycled due to their mercury content. The EPA provides recommendatons for cleaning up broken compact fluorescent light bulbs, including opening windows for ventilation to clear mercury vapor from the room and shutting off forced-air heating and cooling systems until the cleanup is complete.
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:40:37pm |
If that's the case then I can drive around in a nuclear powered car.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:41:10pm |
re: #287 Lidane
Hot Air spins away:
[Link: hotair.com...]
AllahPundit tries to spin this for the wingnuts but the readers don't get it. "Why would the GOP hand Obama more power?"
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:41:29pm |
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:42:24pm |
re: #287 Lidane
Hot Air spins away:
[Link: hotair.com...]
Why, it's genius!!
I liked Erick Son Of Erick's suggestion better.
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:43:06pm |
And this:
Exemptions from the Act include reflector flood, 3-way, candelabra, colored, and other specialty bulbs.
Plenty of alternatives for the CFL-phobes. Some of them make it sound like the government is going to come into your homes and take away whatever incandescents you have left. In the year 2020!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:43:38pm |
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sagehen Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:43:56pm |
re: #99 reuven
Why on Earth did Obama vote to lower the employee contribution to Social Security by 2% as part of the stimulus? I'm still scratching my head over that one.
Because he thought it might get a Republican or two to vote for it.
He should have known better.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:43:57pm |
re: #285 Killgore Trout
It's pretty remarkable. The Republican plan is to just do nothing, hand everything over to Obama in hopes that he gets the blame if things go wrong. It's almost like the Republicans aren't even holding office, they just want to pass the buck on everything. I think Obama might take them up on their offer. He can raise the debt ceiling, make unilateral budget cuts and let the GOP have their silly symbolic votes.
Personally, were I him, I'd tell McConnell to shove his "deal" up his keister. Either we get a deal that does more than just nurse the problem along or we default. The GOP certainly had no problem with arguing in favor of a default when it looked like they'd come out of the whole fiasco on top. But now that the worm has turned, they're trying to foist the problem upon Obama, one way or another. No dice.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:49:00pm |
Also, the LA Times states the obvious, reporting that the budget talks are strained because Cantor and Boehner hate each other:
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:49:54pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:50:30pm |
re: #298 Lidane
Also, the LA Times states the obvious, reporting that the budget talks are strained because Cantor and Boehner hate each other:
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
That's been obvious for awhile now. Cantor wants Boehner's chair and Boehner knows it. Both have been playing a game of musical chairs for months, trying to take all the credit and none of the blame.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:51:14pm |
re: #296 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Personally, were I him, I'd tell McConnell to shove his "deal" up his keister. Either we get a deal that does more than just nurse the problem along or we default. The GOP certainly had no problem with arguing in favor of a default when it looked like they'd come out of the whole fiasco on top. But now that the worm has turned, they're trying to foist the problem upon Obama, one way or another. No dice.
Seriously. This is pure desperation from McConnell. Plus, aren't legislative vetoes unconstitutional anyway? That's what his "plan" amounts to and Obama's not dumb enough to fall for it.
The GOP know that they're not going to get what they want and they're trying to punt the ball. No way is that going to work.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:52:18pm |
This would be funny if it weren't so effective a propaganda technique. There are now tens of millions of people who believe Obama wants to cut vets and seniors off at the knees.
It doesn't matter if its true. What matters is that it was said loudly. The 'big lie' is effective. A million big lies, even more so.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:53:42pm |
re: #301 Lidane
Of course it will work. A deal will be reached, the GOP will take credit, and their base will laud them for pulling that madman Obama back from the brink.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:55:28pm |
re: #303 Fozzie Bear
Of course it will work. A deal will be reached, the GOP will take credit, and their base will laud them for pulling that madman Obama back from the brink.
Not if the wingnut reaction is anything to go by. Erick Erickson is already threatening to burn McConnell in effigy, the Freepers are pissed, and Allahpundit's readers aren't buying it.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:56:11pm |
re: #303 Fozzie Bear
Of course it will work. A deal will be reached, the GOP will take credit, and their base will laud them for pulling that madman Obama back from the brink.
Obama's got the GOP by the balls, why would he let them go? They make a deal with him, they go back on their "no taxes" pledge and the base fries them. They refuse to deal, we default, the economy takes the plunge, and the voters fry them.
The only way they come out with a "win" is if they can convince Obama that he'll take the heat with them.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 1:59:15pm |
re: #305 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The only way they come out with a "win" is if they can convince Obama that he'll take the heat with them.
Which isn't going to happen. Obama would name Caribou Barbie as his Secretary of State first.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:01:36pm |
re: #305 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Obama's got the GOP by the balls, why would he let them go? They make a deal with him, they go back on their "no taxes" pledge and the base fries them. They refuse to deal, we default, the economy takes the plunge, and the voters fry them.
The only way they come out with a "win" is if they can convince Obama that he'll take the heat with them.
I think, in the end, if the economy doesn't improve significantly by the fall of 2012, Obama is toast. Given the determination of the GOP to tank the economy, it seems doubtful it will significantly improve.
Gas prices will rise, the middle east will remain unstable, unemployment will remain unacceptably high, and the GOP will win the presidency in 2012, due to all of the above. This is what I predict. (I.e., it's the economy, stupid)
The GOP may be incredibly inept and dishonest, but really, what matters is public perception, not reality. I wouldn't be so sure that the general public in this country is capable of discerning fact from bullshit, especially given the rather lopsided ratio of facts to bullshit in the media.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:06:10pm |
re: #307 Fozzie Bear
I think, in the end, if the economy doesn't improve significantly by the fall of 2012, Obama is toast. Given the determination of the GOP to tank the economy, it seems doubtful it will significantly improve.
Gas prices will rise, the middle east will remain unstable, unemployment will remain unacceptably high, and the GOP will win the presidency in 2012, due to all of the above. This is what I predict. (I.e., it's the economy, stupid)
The GOP may be incredibly inept and dishonest, but really, what matters is public perception, not reality. I wouldn't be so sure that the general public in this country is capable of discerning fact from bullshit, especially given the rather lopsided ratio of facts to bullshit in the media.
All true, but all could be spun as the GOP's fault if a default occurs. Hell, if they push things til the last second and the market gets jittery, Obama can spin that as being the seed for the recovery not being strong enough to fix things. How can the GOP counter?
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:14:13pm |
re: #308 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Where, exactly, does the buck stop, Mr. President?" (Repeated ad nauseum on Fox for months)
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:19:20pm |
re: #309 Fozzie Bear
"Where, exactly, does the buck stop, Mr. President?" (Repeated ad nauseum on Fox for months)
"When you grow some balls and stop it. I wanted to make a long-term deal, but you bailed on that. You even bailed on a short-term deal. My job isn't to handle the nation's finances, that's yours as House majority."
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:20:18pm |
re: #278 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll see if I can dig up the link...
But from what I read, there was no ban on incandecents, but a series of increased efficiency standards for incandecents that would take affect along a certain time line. And yes, signed by Bush.
When you set the efficiency standards above the theoretical limit for incandescent bulbs, that amounts to a ban.
I'm a fan of CF. It makes sense to me to spend less on electricity twice: first, because the bulb uses less, and second, because then you don't have to AC away the resulting heat. As an added bonus, they don't have to be changed as often as incandescents.
But CFs have genuine drawbacks. Silly laws declare them "hazmat". Obeyed to the letter, you'd have to raze your house if one ever broke inside it. Or some such nonsense. The disposal of CF bulbs needs to be made transparent, simple, and hassle free.
They don't yield full illumination immediately. For most applications, that's a big so-what, but there could be situations where you want the light to go on full strength when the switch is thrown.
Some fixtures don't have room to hold them.
And they're likely to be supplanted by LED strip lighting in another decade or so.
So the other side has a case of sorts. I favor market solutions: tax all light bulbs according to the CO2 emissions they'll likely cause during their lifetime. Then let people sort it out for themselves what they prefer.
We could do the same with gasoline. Let people sort it out what fuel efficiency they want, but in the light of the real costs, including negative externalities.
Full-bore taxation of CO2 emissions would have to be linked to the adoption of corresponding controls in at least some of China, India, and Europe.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:22:49pm |
re: #310 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"When you grow some balls and stop it. I wanted to make a long-term deal, but you bailed on that. You even bailed on a short-term deal. My job isn't to handle the nation's finances, that's yours as House majority."
FOX NEWS:
"President Obama abandons his responsibilities, blames his failures on the GOP. Also, he's black."
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:23:06pm |
re: #97 blueraven
Did you miss the part where the President met them over halfway? 3 to 1 cuts over increased revenue?
I missed the part where his offer actually bound future Congresses to honor the cuts he offered, way down the road. There were few birds in the hand when it came to cuts.
Tax increases, once granted, are effectively irrevocable. Spending cuts are ephemeral. That's the problem.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:24:39pm |
re: #313 lostlakehiker
I missed the part where his offer actually bound future Congresses to honor the cuts he offered, way down the road. There were few birds in the hand when it came to cuts.
Tax increases, once granted, are effectively irrevocable. Spending cuts are ephemeral. That's the problem.
I missed the part where Obama has magical powers to control the future.
Quick question: were taxes cut during the Bush years, or not?
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:27:50pm |
re: #312 Fozzie Bear
FOX NEWS:
"President Obama abandons his responsibilities, blames his failures on the GOP. Also, he's black."
By this point, the only people paying attention to Fox News are Fox News employees and the same Tea Party base that's currently engaging in a contest over who gets the honor of roasting McConnell's nuts.
If that weren't the case, the GOP wouldn't be capitulating as we speak.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:32:21pm |
re: #315 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
By this point, the only people paying attention to Fox News are Fox News employees and the same Tea Party base that's currently engaging in a contest over who gets the honor of roasting McConnell's nuts.
If that weren't the case, the GOP wouldn't be capitulating as we speak.
Please, if there is a God, may he let you be 100% correct in this.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:33:16pm |
re: #313 lostlakehiker
Tax increases, once granted, are effectively irrevocable. Spending cuts are ephemeral. That's the problem.
What on earth kind of bullshit is that?
You haven't noticed the tax cuts?
How on earth are tax increases irrevocable-- and yet we have historically low taxes?
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aagcobb Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:51:23pm |
re: #313 lostlakehiker
I missed the part where his offer actually bound future Congresses to honor the cuts he offered, way down the road. There were few birds in the hand when it came to cuts.
Tax increases, once granted, are effectively irrevocable. Spending cuts are ephemeral. That's the problem.
We need a constitutional amendment to make the Bush tax cuts permanent!!!1!11./
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:53:49pm |
re: #317 Obdicut
What on earth kind of bullshit is that?
You haven't noticed the tax cuts?
How on earth are tax increases irrevocable-- and yet we have historically low taxes?
le sigh
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:55:20pm |
re: #316 Fozzie Bear
Please, if there is a God, may he let you be 100% correct in this.
I don't share your opinion that Obama is sunk if the economy doesn't improve, I think the GOP crazy in 2012 will be cosmic, they'll implode regardless :D
I could be mistaken though
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mikiesmoky2 Tue, Jul 12, 2011 10:38:51pm |
re: #5 windsagio
I think they expected Obama to fold way more than he has.
Those are reasonable expectations, since he folded (pretend fold, since it was a set-up) in December as he signed off on the continuation of the Bush fraud (set up by Mr. Greenspan, during his January 25, 2001 testimony before the Senate's Committee on the Budget).
He said that he was against (liar, liar, pants on fire!!!) the continuation, but the Republicans were holding HOSTAGES, therefor he gave up.
That was a wonderful signal he sent to the Republicans and any other adversary; hold HOSTAGES, and let me know what you want.
The sign of a strong president?
Nah!
mz
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mikiesmoky2 Tue, Jul 12, 2011 10:51:11pm |
The odds are about 1% that the extension will not be passed.
It will probably be passed around the 20th.
I will hold to my prognostication that the Republicans will give in to allow 60% of the Bush tax fraud to be reversed on those over $1,000,000.
That will be as fraudulent (100% should be reverse as a "starter") as the original passage of the 2001 legislation, but it will look nice and pretty, i.e., that the top 0.1% will participate for the cause.
lol
mz
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Bulworth Wed, Jul 13, 2011 7:49:32am |
As for the Treasury still being able to pay Social Security benefits in the event of a default, here is a discussion about that. The answer, in short, is it's pretty technical.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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