Rick Perry: 1770 Boston Colonists Had to Walk Around in Disguise

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What in the ever-lovin’ heck is Rick Perry talking about here? American colonists in the 1770s had to “disguise themselves so they could walk around and meet each other?”

Another bizarre mischaracterization of American history, brought to you by a Republican presidential candidate. That’s what happens when you get your history lessons from people like David Barton.

Better keep an eye on the Boston Tea Party page at Wikipedia.

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1 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:29:12pm

Maybe the US political hopefuls shouldn't talk?

2 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:30:46pm

Lip syncing is the answer.

3 Tigger2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:31:04pm

It sounds like Perry has about the same intelligence level of the teabaggers he represents.

4 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:32:31pm

re: #3 Tigger2

It sounds like Perry has about the same intelligence level of the teabaggers he represents.

Maybe he's talking down to their level, so they understand.

5 erik_t  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:33:49pm

I... I don't even understand what he thinks he's explaining. Were they trying to be seen as British soldiers? Natives? With what other population might they be confused? Were the revolution-favoring colonists otherwise wearing identifying armbands in compliance with the Geneva Conventions of a hundred years hence?

Incoherent politician is incoherent.

6 Tigger2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:34:24pm

re: #4 b_sharp

Maybe he's talking down to their level, so they understand.

Nah, I think their on a level playing field.

7 Tigger2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:34:45pm

they're

8 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:35:38pm

re: #5 erik_t

I... I don't even understand what he thinks he's explaining. Were they trying to be seen as British soldiers? Natives? With what other population might they be confused? Were the revolution-favoring colonists otherwise wearing identifying armbands in compliance with the Geneva Conventions of a hundred years hence?

Incoherent politician is incoherent.

I always thought they dressed up like the Village People.

9 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:36:12pm

re: #7 Tigger2

they're

You can edit your comment now.

10 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:36:14pm

Explains his grades on the transcript I saw posted. But I am sure the usual suspects will respond with 57 states or some crap like that or their latest that Lincoln wasn't a key founder of the Republican Party even though their own candidates have said that and they only cared because Obama said it.

11 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:36:58pm

Thinking is hard!!!

12 erik_t  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:37:05pm

re: #9 b_sharp

You can edit your comment now.

EIMF just doesn't have the same ring to it.

13 Tigger2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:37:28pm

re: #9 b_sharp

You can edit your comment now.

Oh didn't see that, thanks.

14 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:37:30pm

Let's hope Wikipedia's on lockdown.

15 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:38:50pm

"Don't know much about history":

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16 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:38:51pm

I've seen this movie before.

17 Kragar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:39:26pm

Actually, the original Tea Party wore disguises because they were committing a felony, not because the British were preventing them from meeting.

18 jaunte  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:39:56pm

I don't know what twisted analogy he's trying to make. Is he claiming King George Obama is sending redcoats to break up tea party meetings?

19 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:40:05pm

Psst..Wanna buy some tea?

20 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:40:41pm

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, the original Tea Party wore disguises because they were committing a felony, not because the British were preventing them from meeting.

I take it there was no costume tax at the time.

21 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:41:23pm

re: #19 Amory Blaine

Psst..Wanna buy some tea?

Do you have any Rolexes?

22 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:42:10pm

re: #18 jaunte

I don't know what twisted analogy he's trying to make. Is he claiming King George Obama is sending redcoats to break up tea party meetings?

It sounds like he's mixing up colonial and early Christian history in Rome.

23 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:42:12pm

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, the original Tea Party wore disguises because they were committing a felony, not because the British were preventing them from meeting.

As Indians, hoping the Brits would place the blame there

24 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:43:03pm

re: #20 b_sharp

I take it there was no costume tax at the time.

No,, but there is the Customs House there!!
[Link: www.google.com...]
Does that count?

25 jaunte  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:43:10pm

"I'm proud of you for showing your faces here today, and showin' the world, 'cause the penalties for doing so are... nonexistent. So it's just like historical times, and you're all great Americans. Thankyew."

26 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:43:44pm

They had to put on disguises to walk around?

What, a pair of black pants instead of blue ones?

So - did they still look like guys walking around?
What good did the disguises do?

Basically, WTF is he talking about?

27 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:44:12pm

Remember that drinking problem that Bush jr. was supposed to have? Or maybe he has the Tea Party mixed up with the Scarlet Letter and Salem witch trials? They were meeting Pocahontas and didn't want a scarlet letter? Pocahantas sank when they threw her in Boston harbor so they had to burn her at the stake?

28 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:44:16pm

They had to put on disguises to walk around clandestinely.

Why didn't they meet indoors?

29 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:44:48pm

re: #26 reine.de.tout

They had to put on disguises to walk around?

What, a pair of black pants instead of blue ones?

So - did they still look like guys walking around?
What good did the disguises do?

Basically, WTF is he talking about?

[Link: kevchino.com...]

30 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:45:07pm

re: #8 b_sharp

I always thought they dressed up like the Village People.

Well, of course you would think that, you know, you being, well, Canadian and all.

31 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:45:28pm

re: #27 Thanos

Remember that drinking problem that Bush jr. was supposed to have? Or maybe he has the Tea Party mixed up with the Scarlet Letter and Salem witch trials? They were meeting Pocahontas and didn't want a scarlet letter? Pocahantas sank when they threw her in Boston harbor so they had to burn her at the stake?

She obviously weighed more than a duck.

32 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:46:37pm

re: #30 reine.de.tout

Well, of course you would think that, you know, you being, well, Canadian and all.

You'll never let me live that down, will you?

33 Kragar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:46:39pm

re: #27 Thanos

Remember that drinking problem that Bush jr. was supposed to have? Or maybe he has the Tea Party mixed up with the Scarlet Letter and Salem witch trials? They were meeting Pocahontas and didn't want a scarlet letter? Pocahantas sank when they threw her in Boston harbor so they had to burn her at the stake?

She had to teach a crippled Marine how to ride a pterodactyl.

34 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:46:42pm

re: #27 Thanos

Remember that drinking problem that Bush jr. was supposed to have? Or maybe he has the Tea Party mixed up with the Scarlet Letter and Salem witch trials? They were meeting Pocahontas and didn't want a scarlet letter? Pocahantas sank when they threw her in Boston harbor so they had to burn her at the stake?

not...she survived to lead Lewis and Clark to China

35 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:46:54pm

re: #31 b_sharp

She obviously weighed more than a duck.

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36 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:47:30pm

re: #29 sattv4u2

[Link: kevchino.com...]

heh. Time for this:Image: tin_foil_hat_instructions.jpg

37 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:47:35pm

re: #34 albusteve

not...she survived to lead Lewis and Clark to China

Helluva swim.

38 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:48:09pm

I guess Perry is giving the modern Tea Party their rationale for playing dress up as much as they do. I for one am amused by the TP's dress up games and associating themselves with the patriots of that time period since despite what right wingers claim, they were the radical left wingers of their day (not calling them modern day liberals) but for their time yes men of the left.

39 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:48:25pm

re: #37 b_sharp

Helluva swim.

At that time, there was a bridge to nowhere

THEN ,, they found out the bridge went to somewhere, so they took it down!

40 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:48:27pm

re: #37 b_sharp

Helluva swim.

Rick has the details

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:48:54pm

re: #8 b_sharp

I always thought they dressed up like the Village People.

Useful, because when you start doing "YMCA", the Redcoats had to start doing it too, and then you could sneak off.

42 jaunte  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:49:08pm

re: #26 reine.de.tout

They had to put on disguises to walk around?

What, a pair of black pants instead of blue ones?

Image: colonistdisguise.jpg

43 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:49:18pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I guess Perry is giving the modern Tea Party their rationale for playing dress up as much as they do. I for one am amused by the TP's dress up games and associating themselves with the patriots of that time period since despite what right wingers claim, they were the radical left wingers of their day (not calling them modern day liberals) but for their time yes men of the left.

That would make more sense if he ended with, "Now we can wear costumes openly..."

44 darthstar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:49:24pm

Shouldn't Republicans just stay as far away from American history as possible? In fact, it might be helpful if they didn't try to be a part of it.

Oh, and Perry...a bit of advice.

45 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:49:56pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I guess Perry is giving the modern Tea Party their rationale for playing dress up as much as they do. I for one am amused by the TP's dress up games and associating themselves with the patriots of that time period since despite what right wingers claim, they were the radical left wingers of their day (not calling them modern day liberals) but for their time yes men of the left.

Dumbest bumper sticker I've ever seen:

The Founding Fathers were Right Wing Extremists!!!!!!

46 Kragar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:50:02pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

That would make more sense if he ended with, "Now we can wear costumes openly..."

Aggies, Furries, same thing

47 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:50:18pm

re: #42 jaunte

Image: colonistdisguise.jpg

Ah. A really strange mustache & beard. Yes, that would work.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:50:44pm

re: #19 Amory Blaine

Psst..Wanna buy some tea?

There's a great scene in "Mr. Revere and I", after the Boston Tea Party, when Mrs. Revere shakes out all of Paul's 'silly Indian costume', and gets some real good-quality tea.

49 darthstar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:50:54pm

re: #19 Amory Blaine

Psst..Wanna buy some tea?

I'm all out of tea, but I'll sell you an O.

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50 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:51:11pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

It sounds like he's mixing up colonial and early Christian history in Rome.

The colonists would sketch a teabag in the dust...

51 Kragar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:52:00pm

re: #45 Atlas Fails

As dumb as "The Founding Fathers were Dominionists"?

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:52:06pm

re: #23 sattv4u2

As Indians, hoping the Brits would place the blame there

Because Indians routinely came into Boston and had themselves a good old time throwing the cargo off ships in harbor. It was a thing.

53 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:52:23pm

re: #44 darthstar

Shouldn't Republicans just stay as far away from American history as possible? In fact, it might be helpful if they didn't try to be a part of it.

Oh, and Perry...a bit of advice.

That is so funny I damn near choked.

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:53:03pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

They had to put on disguises to walk around clandestinely.

Why didn't they meet indoors?

I believe they did. Actually.

55 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:53:29pm

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As dumb as "The Founding Fathers were Dominionists"?

OK, I gotta know: are you one of the bloggers for RWW? If so, nice job, keep up the good work. If not, thanks for introducing me to them.

56 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:54:24pm

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

Because Indians routinely came into Boston and had themselves a good old time throwing the cargo off ships in harbor. It was a thing.

Hey, when you're bored...

57 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:54:32pm

re: #42 jaunte

Image: colonistdisguise.jpg

Ah, yes: V for Venderpa.

58 Kragar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:54:44pm

re: #55 Atlas Fails

OK, I gotta know: are you one of the bloggers for RWW? If so, nice job, keep up the good work. If not, thanks for introducing me to them.

Nope, not a blogger.

59 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:55:04pm

re: #55 Atlas Fails

OK, I gotta know: are you one of the bloggers for RWW? If so, nice job, keep up the good work. If not, thanks for introducing me to them.

What is RWW?

60 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:55:14pm

Didn't Perry open up Japan to foreign trade, thereby introducing the benefits of outsourcing to our union-oppressed economy? He also won the Battle of Lake Champlain, no doubt trying to lasso the monster who lives there and bring it back to Texas for the church barbecue. To top it all, he discovered the North Pole even though people had known it was there ever since they started thinking the Earth was round, if you believe in that sort of thing.

61 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:55:34pm

Drudge headline: DEM GUV CALLS FOR 'SUSPENDING ELECTIONS'

Links to: Perdue jokes about suspending Congressional elections for two years

62 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:56:01pm

What kind of disguises could have worked for them?

Maybe these?

63 Kragar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:56:16pm

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

Because Indians routinely came into Boston and had themselves a good old time throwing the cargo off ships in harbor. It was a thing.

You know some guy showed up wearing traditional Hindu garb and said "Oh, American Indians...my bad guys."

64 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:56:30pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I guess Perry is giving the modern Tea Party their rationale for playing dress up as much as they do. I for one am amused by the TP's dress up games and associating themselves with the patriots of that time period since despite what right wingers claim, they were the radical left wingers of their day (not calling them modern day liberals) but for their time yes men of the left.

I had a funny experience about a year and a half ago. I visited a friend of mine from work, whose parents are tea partiers, so we got to laughing about them when her 8 year old walked in. She was trying to get a handle on the tea party now vs the tea party then, so she asks (directing her q. at me) "ok but would the tea party then like Obama?"

I was like, erm...uh.... ,,, all I could come up with was "well, I think so..." So of course the next question is, well, why doesn't the tea party now like him?

"Well, you'll just hafta ask your grandma." Eesh, got out of that one.

65 darthstar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:57:32pm

Apparently, some jesus freak screamed "anti-christ!" at Obama today at the House of Blues. Really, the anti-christ in the House of Blues? Who could've forseen that?
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

66 freetoken  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:57:33pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

It sounds like he's mixing up colonial and early Christian history in Rome.

I think he's just out in revanchist fantasy land. Even in the early history of Christianity in Rome it wasn't illegal to be Christian.

Perry's rant about taxation without representation doesn't even make sense. We have the tax laws we do today precisely because we have taxation with representation! All the tax laws we have were passed by legislators.

Perry is just speaking idiocies to the mindless.

67 MicheleR  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:58:30pm

re: #2 b_sharp

Mili Vanili 2012?

68 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:58:40pm
1770 Boston Colonists Had to Walk Around in Disguise

Like these clowns?

69 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:59:29pm

BBL

70 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:59:42pm

re: #59 b_sharp

What is RWW?

right wing watch. It's a blog that Kafir often links to.

71 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 2:59:59pm

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As dumb as "The Founding Fathers were Dominionists"?

Ah, Rick Joyner, who bought out Jim/Tammy's old Heritage USA.

A real class act. /

72 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:00:24pm

re: #66 freetoken

I think he's just out in revanchist fantasy land. Even in the early history of Christianity in Rome it wasn't illegal to be Christian.

Perry's rant about taxation without representation doesn't even make sense. We have the tax laws we do today precisely because we have taxation with representation! All the tax laws we have were passed by legislators.

Perry is just speaking idiocies to the mindless.

They're mad because it was people they didn't like elected. We had a legit beef with the British and taxes. We had no representation in Parliament. And that is precisely why these people who think the TP and such are heirs of the American revolutionaries are morons. They have representation- they may not like who it is and how they vote but that'[s why we have elections for people to represent us locally and nationally but the TP and their friends would tell you otherwise.

73 MicheleR  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:00:34pm

re: #44 darthstar
MOST EXCELLENT!

74 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:02:41pm

re: #45 Atlas Fails

Dumbest bumper sticker I've ever seen:

You're shitting me? I mean really a group of people who rebelled against the biggest and most powerful empire in the world during their time were of the left. Plus they were reading modern for their time ideas about government. I mean yeah I know they wouldn't agree with me on most policies today but they wouldn't agree with the idiots woh claim to be their heirs today on most things either.

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:02:43pm

re: #65 darthstar

Here's a longer clip of the incident.

Youtube Video

Why yes, the crazy does indeed go up to eleven.

76 jaunte  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:03:10pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Drudge headline: DEM GUV CALLS FOR 'SUSPENDING ELECTIONS'

Links to: Perdue jokes about suspending Congressional elections for two years

"Republicans call for measures against metaphor, hyperbole"

78 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:03:31pm

re: #65 darthstar

Apparently, some jesus freak screamed "anti-christ!" at Obama today at the House of Blues. Really, the anti-christ in the House of Blues? Who could've forseen that?
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Whew. Good thing the guy wasn't a Muslim. Christian crazies are just misguided.

79 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:03:52pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

You're shitting me? I mean really a group of people who rebelled against the biggest and most powerful empire in the world during their time were of the left. Plus they were reading modern for their time ideas about government. I mean yeah I know they wouldn't agree with me on most policies today but they wouldn't agree with the idiots woh claim to be their heirs today on most things either.

it's only a bumper sticker...don't stroke out

80 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:06:29pm

re: #79 albusteve

it's only a bumper sticker...don't stroke out

I'm fine, just amused. The you're shitting me was an astonishment at the ignorance.

81 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:06:51pm

re: #78 Naso Tang

Whew. Good thing the guy wasn't a Muslim. Christian crazies are just misguided.

Heh. Imagine what would have happened if he shouted "Allah Akbar".

82 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:07:49pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

I'm fine, just amused. The you're shitting me was an astonishment at the ignorance.

not everybody making an absurd joke is ignorant

83 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:08:23pm

re: #65 darthstar

Apparently, some jesus freak screamed "anti-christ!" at Obama today at the House of Blues. Really, the anti-christ in the House of Blues? Who could've forseen that?
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I just checked the comments at Hot Air. They think it was a liberal plant to make the Tea Partiers look crazy.
/not kidding.

84 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:08:47pm

re: #81 Obdicut

Heh. Imagine what would have happened if he shouted "Allah Akbar".

then he's be just like the GOP

85 Kragar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:09:17pm

re: #78 Naso Tang

Christian crazies are just misguided.

A lone wolf, no doubt. Completely isolated and with no connections or possibility of being influenced by others.

86 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:09:26pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I just checked the comments at Hot Air. They think it was a liberal plant to make the Tea Partiers look crazy.
/not kidding.

All those on hot air who are saying it was a liberal plant are, in fact, liberal plants.
Plans within plans!

87 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:09:57pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

All those on hot air who are saying it was a liberal plant are, in fact, liberal plants.
Plans within plans!

With the amount of plants, there's gonna be a garden of ACORNs.

88 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:10:04pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

You're shitting me? I mean really a group of people who rebelled against the biggest and most powerful empire in the world during their time were of the left. Plus they were reading modern for their time ideas about government. I mean yeah I know they wouldn't agree with me on most policies today but they wouldn't agree with the idiots woh claim to be their heirs today on most things either.

This is Presentism. There is no direct analogy between today's left and right and rebellious colonists and the British (and those who supported Britain).

89 Lidane  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:10:05pm

Could someone please find the largest, heaviest history book around and whack Goodhair upside the head with it? He might learn something.

Kthxbai.

90 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:11:29pm

re: #88 Naso Tang

This is Presentism. There is no direct analogy between today's left and right and rebellious colonists and the British (and those who supported Britain).

That's my point. I just think for their time- belief in representational government over monarchy means they were liberals of their time. I mean there's a reason why it's called classical liberalism.

91 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:11:31pm

re: #45 Atlas Fails

Dumbest bumper sticker I've ever seen:

Derpitude is becoming an exact anti-science, with its own laws, theories, and postulates, all backed by nothing but hot air and ignorance.

At that time, a right-wing extremist would have been someone who supported the divine right of kings, a privileged aristocracy, a revival of serfdom where it had been abolished, the established church, and strict controls on speech and the press.

92 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:11:59pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I just checked the comments at Hot Air. They think it was a liberal plant to make the Tea Partiers look crazy.
/not kidding.

Did the guy say he was a TP, or do they just naturally assume that it looks that way?/

93 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:12:30pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I just checked the comments at Hot Air. They think it was a liberal plant to make the Tea Partiers look crazy.
/not kidding.

There are so damn many of these liberal plants they could probably win the GOP primaries by themselves.

94 freetoken  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:13:13pm

re: #91 Shiplord Kirel

Meanings and origins of words don't have any value to reactionaries - words are only magickal incantations for them.

95 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:14:00pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

That's my point. I just think for their time- belief in representational government over monarchy means they were liberals of their time. I mean there's a reason why it's called classical liberalism.

Yes, but saying that only Liberals believe in representative government is like saying that Conservatives don't.

....wait..

96 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:14:37pm

heavy, heavy into the internet and the goofballs that make crazy comments?....yeah, take the bait...they love it

97 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:15:02pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I just checked the comments at Hot Air. They think it was a liberal plant to make the Tea Partiers look crazy.
/not kidding.

Reading the reports about his frequent lunacy at local meetings, he looks like a free-range nut. Haven't seen what directions he goes, except religious.

98 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:15:59pm

re: #93 Shiplord Kirel

There are so damn many of these liberal plants they could probably win the GOP primaries by themselves.

There's a Stanislav Lem story where a man is sent, in disguise, to spy on a planet of human-hating robots. After fraught months of immersion in the nutty "anti-human" culture, he discovers that several of the other "robots" are also disguised humans...and by the end, he realizes the whole planet is occupied by human disguised as robots, desperately afraid of all the other "real" robots who hate humans and want to kill them all.

So maybe that's what's going on with the TPers.

99 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:16:37pm

re: #89 Lidane

Could someone please find the largest, heaviest history book around and whack Goodhair upside the head with it? He might learn something.

Kthxbai.

With all due respect, I think Perry's already been whacked on the head a few times with that other large, heavy book.

Doesn't seem to have done him any good.

100 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:16:45pm
101 freetoken  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:16:53pm

As we slowly fade into the background of history...

The era of big American physics about to end

102 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:18:25pm

re: #98 The Ghost of a Flea

There's a Stanislav Lem story where a man is sent, in disguise, to spy on a planet of human-hating robots. After fraught months of immersion in the nutty "anti-human" culture, he discovers that several of the other "robots" are also disguised humans...and by the end, he realizes the whole planet is occupied by human disguised as robots, desperately afraid of all the other "real" robots who hate humans and want to kill them all.

So maybe that's what's going on with the TPers.

Back in the 60s, there was a KKK klavern whose five members reportedly included four FBI informants.

103 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:19:16pm

re: #95 Naso Tang

Yes, but saying that only Liberals believe in representative government is like saying that Conservatives don't.

...wait..

Well by and large in the 18th century the context I am talking here, conservatives were skeptical of truly representative government and heck many liberals of that time period were. I am not saying they're liberals by the 21st century standards, I agree with you that we can't measure that but but I do think by the standards of their time, the Founders were men of the left. Traditionally, conservatism at least in Britain was linked to supporting the rights of the king and aristocracy. It's all changed with time and I'd argue that the American left and right are descendants of the same tradition which I think can be best scene in the fact that both parties are branches of Jefferson's old Democratic-Republican party which was the more "liberal" of the two parties in the sense of supporting representational democracy.

104 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:21:00pm

re: #101 freetoken

As we slowly fade into the background of history...

The era of big American physics about to end

This was the first step backwards, to save money:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

105 Kragar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:23:03pm

Huge Ancient Roman Shipyard Unearthed in Italy

A large Roman shipyard has been uncovered an ancient port in Rome called Portus, researchers reported Thursday.

They found the remains of a massive building, dating to the second century, where ancient ships were likely built close to the distinctive hexagonal basin, or "harbor," at the center of the port complex.

"Few Roman Imperial shipyards have been discovered and, if our identification is correct, this would be the largest of its kind in Italy or the Mediterranean," dig director Simon Keay, of the University of Southampton, said in a statement.

106 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:23:35pm

re: #102 Shiplord Kirel

Back in the 60s, there was a KKK klavern whose five members reportedly included four FBI informants.

And there was the 50s joke that the only members of the CPUSA who paid their dues were FBI.

107 freetoken  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:25:32pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

I remember when the SSC was cancelled. Indeed, I remember when it was proposed - I had visited Fermi Lab and there was great excitement at the time about the future of high energy physics and building a much bigger accelerator.

Alas, though naive days of my youth are gone... along with the America that believed it could do big things.

108 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:32:40pm

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Huge Ancient Roman Shipyard Unearthed in Italy

Neat. Here is something very similar from the Middle Ages. Galileo was a consultant.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

109 freetoken  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:32:55pm

This one is for all the foodies out there:

Miracle fruit secret revealed

[...]

Researchers and foodies alike have long known the effects of the miracle fruit (a.k.a. Richadella dulcifica). At flavor-tripping parties, guests will pop a berry then chew, chew and chew some more, letting the masticated fruit linger on the tongue. Then the sampling begins: Guinness tastes like a chocolate shake, Tabasco loses its sting and pickles their mouth-pinching tang. Lemons and limes gush with sweetness.

While the active ingredient in miracle fruit — miraculin — has been known for decades, it hasn’t been clear exactly how the protein confers its sweetness. Now scientists in Japan and France report that miraculin’s interaction with the tongue’s sweet sensors depends on the acidity of the local environment. At a pH of 4.8 (water is neutral with a pH close to 7), the sweet-tasting cells respond twice as vigorously to miraculin than they do at a less acidic pH of 5.7.

[...]

110 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:34:40pm

re: #98 The Ghost of a Flea

There's a Stanislav Lem story where a man is sent, in disguise, to spy on a planet of human-hating robots. After fraught months of immersion in the nutty "anti-human" culture, he discovers that several of the other "robots" are also disguised humans...and by the end, he realizes the whole planet is occupied by human disguised as robots, desperately afraid of all the other "real" robots who hate humans and want to kill them all.

So maybe that's what's going on with the TPers.

In a somewhat similar vein...

About 20 years ago or so, Neil Gaiman was writing a comic book known here in the U.S. as "Miracleman." He wrote a story for one issue called "Spy Story."

If I'm remembering correctly, "Spy Story" concerned itself with people "left behind" after Miracleman triggered the next stage in mankind's development. Spies, being naturally suspicious, were prone to view this "New World Order" with skepticism, so Miracleman's solution was to gather up *all* the spies and locate them in one city, where they could spy on each other 24-7.

TVTropes - City of Spies

111 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:35:14pm

re: #91 Shiplord Kirel

Derpitude is becoming an exact anti-science, with its own laws, theories, and postulates, all backed by nothing but hot air and ignorance.

At that time, a right-wing extremist would have been someone who supported the divine right of kings, a privileged aristocracy, a revival of serfdom where it had been abolished, the established church, and strict controls on speech and the press.

Which is pretty much what they want now.

Most especially the 'privileged aristocracy' part because they believe that will be them come the revolution.

112 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:37:17pm

re: #109 freetoken

This one is for all the foodies out there:

Miracle fruit secret revealed

Ugh, it sounds like they're just going to make more chemicals to put in food.

113 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:39:30pm

Engineers to rappel down Washington Monument
*Shudders*

114 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:40:49pm

re: #113 Varek Raith

Engineers to rappel down Washington Monument
*Shudders*

It's not the fall that gets you

It's the sudden stop!

115 erik_t  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:41:11pm

re: #98 The Ghost of a Flea

I had a simple dream, a dream to destroy all humans. Is that so much to ask?

116 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:41:55pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Ugh, it sounds like they're just going to make more chemicals to put in food.

Better Living Through Chemistry

"Hey Ma,, how come my teeth are glowing!?!?"

117 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:42:55pm

re: #115 erik_t

I had a simple dream, a dream to destroy all humans. Is that so much to ask?

you first...that's not asking much

118 freetoken  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:46:39pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Ugh, it sounds like they're just going to make more chemicals to put in food.

Heh, cooking is chemistry!

Using various chemicals found in plants and animals to change the taste experience isn't so new. Indeed, when I mix certain fruits of the Rosacea (such as apples or loquats) with chocolate it is to enhance the flavor experience of chocolate.

I think playing around with proteins holds great potential for gastronomic joy. The rise of "umami" as a legitimate flavor detected by the tongue is based on part to the discovery that the human tongue has glutamate receptors.

Remember, without chemicals life itself would be impossible.

119 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:48:09pm

re: #118 freetoken

without chemicals life itself would be impossible.

I know they got ME through the late 60's/ early 70's!!!!

{sniff}

120 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:49:50pm

re: #118 freetoken

Heh, cooking is chemistry!

Using various chemicals found in plants and animals to change the taste experience isn't so new. Indeed, when I mix certain fruits of the Rosacea (such as apples or loquats) with chocolate it is to enhance the flavor experience of chocolate.

I think playing around with proteins holds great potential for gastronomic joy. The rise of "umami" as a legitimate flavor detected by the tongue is based on part to the discovery that the human tongue has glutamate receptors.

Remember, without chemicals life itself would be impossible.

how could I ever forget....I love molecules

121 darthstar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 3:57:27pm

Cheney feeling the love in Seattle

122 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:00:14pm

re: #121 darthstar

Cheney feeling the love in Seattle

Seattle?

123 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:01:46pm

re: #121 darthstar

Cheney feeling the love in Seattle

These protesters are chanting 'Shame' to Dick Cheney. The kids in NYC were yelling the same thing at Wall Street. Does anyone want to break the news to them--shame is dead. Now I'm trying to remember what killed it.

124 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:02:09pm

re: #122 albusteve

It's a city in Washington state.

/

125 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:02:38pm

re: #121 darthstar

Cheney feeling the love in Seattle

Vancouver. LOL @ the commenter that called him the bionic Gollum.

126 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:07:39pm

re: #91 Shiplord Kirel

Derpitude is becoming an exact anti-science, with its own laws, theories, and postulates, all backed by nothing but hot air and ignorance.

At that time, a right-wing extremist would have been someone who supported the divine right of kings, a privileged aristocracy, a revival of serfdom where it had been abolished, the established church, and strict controls on speech and the press.

qft

a very short history of american conservatism:

1776 - royalists who believed that any form of democracy, even that restricted to rich white males, was unworkable and against the will of god

1830s - against the abolishment of the property qualification for voting. believed that the irish were too culturally different from other immigrants to american to ever assimilate into american society

1850s - against restrictions on chattel slavery

1880s - against the idea of working people forming organizations for collective bargaining, against the movement to limit work weeks to 10 hrs/day monday through saturday, against restrictions on child labor

1910s - against national voting rights for women, in favor of segregation as beneficial to "both races"

127 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:09:18pm

Acchhh!

From the Ma'an (Palestinian) news agency:
Medics: 1 injured, 2 missing as Egypt pumps sewage in Gaza tunnel

One Palestinian man was injured on Sunday and two others were reported missing after Egyptian authorities pumped sewage inside a Rafah smuggling tunnel running underneath the border with the Gaza Strip, medics said.

Palestinian medical sources told Ma’an that a tunnel worker was hurt and two others went missing inside the Rafah tunnel as a result of sewage pumped in from the Egyptian side.

128 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:12:22pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

Acchhh!

From the Ma'an (Palestinian) news agency:
Medics: 1 injured, 2 missing as Egypt pumps sewage in Gaza tunnel

I suspect it's payback to the attack on the gas pipeline last week.

129 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:13:25pm

uh. oh. A new Firefox update. I'm not downloading it until I see the reviews. The last few updates have been very annoying.

130 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:14:12pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

Acchhh!

From the Ma'an (Palestinian) news agency:
Medics: 1 injured, 2 missing as Egypt pumps sewage in Gaza tunnel

oh my...how dastardly!....that will solve the problem

131 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:15:45pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

I suspect it's payback to the attack on the gas pipeline last week.

those Egyptians are sure hard core...drowned them in poop!

132 darthstar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:16:15pm

I'm worried that our young, nubile, white girls are all going to escape to Mexico. Build the danged fence higher, Perry!

Youtube Video

I always enjoy watching this video

133 zora  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:17:03pm

re: #121 darthstar

Chanting “Shame, shame, shame on you!”, about 250 protestors in Vancouver, B.C., tried to block guests attending a Monday night dinner and book-selling event featuring former Vice President Dick Cheney.

134 darthstar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:17:37pm

re: #122 albusteve

Seattle?

Oops...Vancouver.

135 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:20:02pm

Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report

(Reuters) - Iran raised the prospect on Tuesday of sending military ships close to the United States' Atlantic coast, in what would be a major escalation of tensions between the long-standing adversaries.

"Like the arrogant powers that are present near our marine borders, we will also have a powerful presence close to American marine borders," the head of the Navy, Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari said, according to the official IRNA news agency.

Speaking at a ceremony marking the 31st anniversary of the start of the 1980-1988 war with Iraq, Sayyari gave no details of when such a deployment could happen or the number or type of vessels to be used.

The declaration comes just weeks after Turkey said it would host a NATO early warning radar system which will help spot missile threats from outside Europe, including potentially from Iran. The decision has angered Tehran which had enjoyed close relations with Ankara.

Come on over! Drop in for liberty at Miami Beach, and we'll see how many of the sailors don't go back to their ships.

136 darthstar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:20:54pm

re: #131 albusteve

those Egyptians are sure hard core...drowned them in poop!

That's gross...I'll bet that guy falafel after he got out.

137 darthstar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:21:44pm

re: #135 Shiplord Kirel

Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report

Come on over! Drop in for liberty at Miami Beach, and we'll see how many of the sailors don't go back to their ships.

Some people will do anything to get close to Snooki.

138 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:23:14pm

re: #136 darthstar

That's gross...I'll bet that guy falafel after he got out.

the Egyptians are not serious...they look like a bunch of rubes, because they are....the IDF should have blown the tunnels two years ago

139 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:27:35pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

This was the first step backwards, to save money:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Well, as they say, it's time to ...

Youtube Video
140 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:30:37pm

re: #135 Shiplord Kirel

Not many, I would wager. The gals on Miami Beach are in a league of their own.

141 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:40:11pm

re: #126 engineer dog

qft

a very short history of american conservatism:

1776 - royalists who believed that any form of democracy, even that restricted to rich white males, was unworkable and against the will of god

1830s - against the abolishment of the property qualification for voting. believed that the irish were too culturally different from other immigrants to american to ever assimilate into american society

1850s - against restrictions on chattel slavery

1880s - against the idea of working people forming organizations for collective bargaining, against the movement to limit work weeks to 10 hrs/day monday through saturday, against restrictions on child labor

1910s - against national voting rights for women, in favor of segregation as beneficial to "both races"

You left out the conservative values that the Confederacy defended.

142 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:41:25pm

*Tumbleweed rolls by*

143 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:43:15pm

re: #142 Atlas Fails

*Tumbleweed rolls by*

BOO!

144 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:43:19pm

re: #142 Atlas Fails

*Tumbleweed rolls by*

Don't let it get away, go get it.

145 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:43:38pm

re: #143 wozzablog

BOO!

Who?

146 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:44:03pm

re: #145 b_sharp

Who?

No need to cry, it was only a joke.

147 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:44:45pm

re: #146 wozzablog

No need to cry, it was only a joke.

So is my body.

148 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:44:53pm

re: #141 Atlas Fails

You left out the conservative values that the Confederacy defended.

what other confederate conservative values did you have in mind other than "1850s - against restrictions on chattel slavery"?

149 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:46:34pm

re: #148 engineer dog

what other confederate conservative values did you have in mind other than "1850s - against restrictions on chattel slavery"?

All cars have to be '69 Chargers.

150 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:46:34pm

re: #148 engineer dog

what other confederate conservative values did you have in mind other than "1850s - against restrictions on chattel slavery"?

who cares...that's ancient history

151 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:46:58pm

re: #148 engineer dog

what other confederate conservative values did you have in mind other than "1850s - against restrictions on chattel slavery"?

Well, I guess I meant to say that you left out the treasonous acts committed by Confederate conservatives.

152 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:47:10pm

re: #149 b_sharp

All cars have to be '69 Chargers.

ahhh...getting closer

153 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:48:44pm

re: #151 Atlas Fails

Well, I guess I meant to say that you left out the treasonous acts committed by Confederate conservatives.

yeah, and Sherman was a war criminal, just like Grant

154 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:48:45pm

re: #145 b_sharp

Who?

Youtube Video
155 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:50:26pm

re: #153 albusteve

yeah, and Sherman was a war criminal, just like Grant

So you don't think the Confederates committed treason? Interesting. How would you define waging war against one's own government because "WAAAH, someone we don't like got elected president!!!"?

156 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:51:11pm

re: #155 Atlas Fails

So you don't think the Confederates committed treason? Interesting. How would you define waging war against one's own government because "WAAAH, someone we don't like got elected president!!!"?

not interested

157 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 4:56:41pm

re: #156 albusteve

not interested

That's obvious.

158 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:00:20pm

re: #157 b_sharp

That's obvious.

seems that you aren't either

159 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:00:43pm
Rick Perry: 1770 Boston Colonists Had to Walk Around in Disguise

"Forget it, he's rolling." -- Eric "Otter" Stratton, "Animal House"

160 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:01:00pm

Dumb fuckers:

Representative Cliff Stearns (R-FL), the chairman of a House oversight committee, just sent Planned Parenthood Federation of America a letter announcing that his committee has started an “investigation” of Planned Parenthood and demanding financial and other records from every Planned Parenthood health center. He's grasping for something, anything, he can use to discredit, damage, or destroy Planned Parenthood.

[Link: secure.ppaction.org...]

161 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:04:25pm

According to Michele Bachmann Hezbollah is possibly installing camps AND missile sites in Cuba.

Be afraid. BE VERY AFRAID.

162 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:04:27pm

re: #160 Obdicut

Dumb fuckers:

[Link: secure.ppaction.org...]

I wonder how these "pro-life" types will feel when poor women can't afford mammograms because they shut down Planned Parenthood? I don't agree with everything PP does, but to call them criminals is asinine.

163 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:05:00pm

re: #160 Obdicut

Dumb fuckers:

[Link: secure.ppaction.org...]

one mission after another...not sure he has any legal standing, but I'm sure some convoluted motive will emerge

164 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:05:50pm

re: #160 Obdicut

Dumb fuckers:

[Link: secure.ppaction.org...]

That should help make a huge dent in the deficit.

FFS, what an agenda.

165 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:06:48pm

Oh, happy day! I've advocated a loud stereo and cell phone seeking missile for years and NOW WE HAVE IT!

New Air Force Missile Could Disable Enemy Electronics

Modern armies rely on a wide range of electronics to help detect their enemies, coordinate their forces and aim their weapons. Today, knocking out those electronics requires sophisticated jamming aircraft, targeting the people using the electronics or the tech-frying side effects of a nuclear blast. But in the future, disabling enemy electronics may only take a single rocket totally harmless to humans, thanks to a new microwave missile developed by the U.S. Air Force.

The missile showed its ability to take aim at many targets and locations during a first flight test at the Utah Test and Training Range at Hill Air Force Base earlier this year. Upcoming tests could demonstrate its disabling power with high-power microwaves capable of burning out the electronics of even the most sophisticated air defenses, command and control centers, fighter jets and drones.

That first test of the Counter-electronics High-powered Microwave Advanced Missile Project (CHAMP) was recently unveiled by Boeing and the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory.

166 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:07:27pm

re: #161 bratwurst

According to Michele Bachmann Hezbollah is possibly installing camps AND missile sites in Cuba.

Be afraid. BE VERY AFRAID.

I suppose they can mail those missiles to Florida.

167 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:09:49pm

as far as i can make out the main appeal of christie to the baggers is that he is mean

168 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:10:30pm

re: #165 Shiplord Kirel

Oh, happy day! I've advocated a loud stereo and cell phone seeking missile for years and NOW WE HAVE IT!

New Air Force Missile Could Disable Enemy Electronics

They didn't show the incident where the missile chased some poor woman walking down the street listening to her iPod, did they?

169 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:11:03pm

re: #164 b_sharp

That should help make a huge dent in the deficit.

FFS, what an agenda.

bunch of grandstanding...the feds must step up and protect PP...one guy that cooks up shit like this should be found out of bounds by the courts

170 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:11:18pm

re: #168 b_sharp

They didn't show the incident where the missile chased some poor woman walking down the street listening to her iPod, did they?

No, but I'd pay money to see it.

171 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:12:09pm

re: #167 engineer dog

as far as i can make out the main appeal of christie to the baggers is that he is mean

In some circles, being a Dick is a good thing.

172 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:12:22pm

re: #167 engineer dog

as far as i can make out the main appeal of christie to the baggers is that he is mean

what's wrong with Christie?...most folks are impressed with his governorship

173 b_Snark  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:13:12pm

re: #170 Shiplord Kirel

No, but I'd pay money to see it.

Especially if it was Bachmann.

174 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:14:06pm

re: #160 Obdicut

Dumb fuckers:

[Link: secure.ppaction.org...]

Factoids on Rep. Stearns from Open Secrets.org:

61% of this cycle's contributions have been from PACs.
Individual contributions made up 29%
"Other" (not defined) makes up 10%.

Of the 29%, $52,999 (28%) was from large individual contributions and $1,794 (1%) from small individual contributions.

1%.

Not sure who owns this guy, but it ain't us.

175 Kragar  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:14:48pm

re: #167 engineer dog

as far as i can make out the main appeal of christie to the baggers is that he is mean

He said the idea of creeping Sharia is crap, so he's pissed off that portion of the GOP base.

176 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:15:21pm

re: #172 albusteve

what's wrong with Christie?...most folks are impressed with his governorship

i'm willing to bet that very few baggers, or anybody else for that matter, would be able to tell you anything about the details of christie's actions as governor

i think they like him because he told a public school teacher to shut up

177 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:16:13pm

re: #176 engineer dog

i'm willing to bet that very few baggers, or anybody else for that matter, would be able to tell you anything about the details of christie's actions as governor

i think they like him because he told a public school teacher to shut up

but I'm asking you, not them

178 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:18:48pm

re: #177 albusteve

but I'm asking you, not them

are you?

i couldn't tell you anything about the christie administration beyond vaguely hearing that he cut funds to public schools, and i'm not even sure about that

so, when you say "most folks are impressed with his governorship", what actions of his administration did you have in mind?

179 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:21:23pm

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

She had to teach a crippled Marine how to ride a pterodactyl.

Did anyone see "Source Code"?

"Avatar" meets "Groundhog Day" on a train in "Chicago"

180 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:22:10pm

re: #159 BongCrodny

"Forget it, he's rolling." -- Eric "Otter" Stratton, "Animal House"

Ummm, Boon said that to Otter:

Bluto: Hey! What's this lying around shit?
Stork: Well, what the hell we s'posed to do, you moron?
D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.

181 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:22:12pm

re: #177 albusteve

but I'm asking you, not them

Personally, no, I'm not impressed with the job Christie's done as governor, as his main claim to fame is demonizing teachers and other public employees.

182 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:23:33pm

re: #179 Alouette

Did anyone see "Source Code"?

"Avatar" meets "Groundhog Day" on a train in "Chicago"

i was disappointed that "Source Code" had basically nothing to do with source code, object code, compilers, or context free grammars

other than that i thot it was kinda ok until the soft ending...

183 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:23:48pm

re: #178 engineer dog

are you?

i couldn't tell you anything about the christie administration beyond vaguely hearing that he cut funds to public schools, and i'm not even sure about that

so, when you say "most folks are impressed with his governorship", what actions of his administration did you have in mind?

he's taken on a dire financial situation and is making headway in Jersey...Lawhawk can say more in detail as a resident of NJ and he's impressed so far...Christie has a hell of lot more experience in the trenches than say Obama, yet you worship him for his yet to be expressed leadership...Christie has a very tough job and he's doing good...teachers are like everyone else, they need to be reined in and he's been working with them to do it...why care what the TP think?

184 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:25:49pm

re: #181 Atlas Fails

Personally, no, I'm not impressed with the job Christie's done as governor, as his main claim to fame is demonizing teachers and other public employees.

where has he demonized them?...is there a record?...unions are a HUGE factor regarding states debt....what's he supposed to do, ignore the unions?...bunch of partisan crap you spew

185 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:26:30pm

re: #183 albustevewhy care what the TP think?

Ask the GOP. I'm just as baffled as you are.

186 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:26:40pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

I suspect it's payback to the attack on the gas pipeline last week.

Has anyone considered the possibility that the diggers hit a sewer line?

It seems to me a lot simpler just to dump a load of dirt down the Egyptian side. How much effort does it take to set up pumps and hoses that will pump so fast from who knows how far away that it will fill a 6 foot diameter tunnel so fast nobody can get out of the way.

I've had septic tanks pumped. I know how fast this stuff goes.

187 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:27:30pm

re: #185 Atlas Fails

why care what the TP think?

Ask the GOP. I'm just as baffled as you are.

ask the GOP what?....somebody made an assertion, so back it up

188 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:29:32pm

re: #183 albusteve

he's taken on a dire financial situation and is making headway in Jersey...Lawhawk can say more in detail as a resident of NJ and he's impressed so far...Christie has a hell of lot more experience in the trenches than say Obama, yet you worship him for his yet to be expressed leadership...Christie has a very tough job and he's doing good...teachers are like everyone else, they need to be reined in and he's been working with them to do it...why care what the TP think?

me? worship him? quite the opposite in spades con salsa muy picante punta no mas!

teachers are like everyone else, they need to be reined in

???!?!??!

why care what the TP think

if he decides to run for the nomination, they will be his judge, jury, and executioner

so, what are the details of "taken on a dire financial situation and is making headway"?

189 BongCrodny  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:29:43pm

re: #180 talon_262

Ummm, Boon said that to Otter:

Forget it, I'm rolling.

190 Atlas Fails  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:30:43pm

re: #184 albusteve

where has he demonized them?...is there a record?...unions are a HUGE factor regarding states debt...what's he supposed to do, ignore the unions?...bunch of partisan crap you spew

His ideas of "merit-based pay" are a hallmark of someone who doesn't know shit about public education, but is looking for something that will sound good to similarly ignorant Morans who want a quick fix. (see also: vouchers)

191 albusteve  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:31:21pm

re: #188 engineer dog

me? worship him? quite the opposite in spades con salsa muy picante punta no mas!

teachers are like everyone else, they need to be reined in

???!?!??!

why care what the TP think

if he decides to run for the nomination, they will be his judge, jury, and executioner

so, what are the details of "taken on a dire financial situation and is making headway"?

asking you...is Christie doing a bad job or not?....all your other crap means nothing

192 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:34:28pm

re: #189 BongCrodny

Forget it, I'm rolling.

Touchè...

193 Achilles Tang  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:39:21pm

re: #191 albusteve

asking you...is Christie doing a bad job or not?...all your other crap means nothing

No Republican can win without the TP support. Probably whoever is nominated will have to get their vote since they have no choice (in their universe), but in the process they will do to him what they have been doing to Boehner, very publicly.

194 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:39:24pm

Eric Cantor is a nervy little bastard, isn't he?

"House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-7th, is pushing for information on the status of Gov. Bob McDonnell's request for federal disaster assistance for Louisa County residents in the wake of an earthquake there last month," reports the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

Hypocrite.

195 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:40:29pm

re: #191 albusteve

asking you...is Christie doing a bad job or not?...all your other crap means nothing

dunno. new jersey is far away from california and i'm not remotely considering voting for him. i'm not much impressed by hearing that he cut the budget, and neither wikipedia nor anybody here are telling me any details about how this was done, beyond the fact that he used a line item veto that he wouldn't have as president, since this was already passed as law and then declared unconstitutional during the clinton administration

my original statement was that i think his appeal to baggers is that he is mean, and i doubt most people calling for him to jump in could tell you what he cut from the budget

so - what did he cut?

196 Interesting Times  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:50:46pm

re: #195 engineer dog

Chris Christie is just another Koch-worshipping tool, sucking up to the billionaire climate-change deniers while his state drowns. Why doesn't he hit them up for disaster relief? 9_9

197 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:30:36pm

re: #178 engineer dog

I could tell you that he did cut funding for education from his first year's budget, but not only increased funding for the current fiscal year - but exceeded the budget amount from over the amount allotted during the Corzine administration's last budget. Much of the dispute over funding had to do with Abbott district and its expanded funding formula for certain urban areas.

The courts have an outsized role in education funding to the point where I think that they're unconstitutionally imposing themselves into the legislative process - because they continue to misread the constitutional requirement for a thorough and efficient education as requiring money that the state simply doesn't have in its budget.

Christie has gone to great lengths to try and put the state's structural deficits to an end and to get spending under control and with the pension deal, which includes payments into the funds that have been avoided for a couple of years, he has managed to get a lot done on that front.

How he did it antagonized the education unions quite a bit. There was and remains quite a bit of animosity there - and also against Democrats who ended up cutting the education funding deal with Christie.

His performance during the flooding following Irene and Lee has shown that he knows how to manage natural disaster mitigation - and showed he can take charge of the situation and make sure that state resources are available and deployed, which was a major improvement over the perception that he failed during the blizzard last winter (when he was on vacation in Florida at the time).

198 Meitantei  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:32:50pm

re: #161 bratwurst

I'm sorry, even if it's Michelle Bachmann, I still refuse to believe that that is not from the Onion.

199 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:16:44pm

re: #179 Alouette

Did anyone see "Source Code"?

"Avatar" meets "Groundhog Day" on a train in "Chicago"

I saw it. How can a movie be interesting, cute, and creepy at the same time? I liked it.

200 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:17:56pm

re: #197 lawhawk

I could tell you that he did cut funding for education from his first year's budget, but not only increased funding for the current fiscal year - but exceeded the budget amount from over the amount allotted during the Corzine administration's last budget. Much of the dispute over funding had to do with Abbott district and its expanded funding formula for certain urban areas.

The courts have an outsized role in education funding to the point where I think that they're unconstitutionally imposing themselves into the legislative process - because they continue to misread the constitutional requirement for a thorough and efficient education as requiring money that the state simply doesn't have in its budget.

Christie has gone to great lengths to try and put the state's structural deficits to an end and to get spending under control and with the pension deal, which includes payments into the funds that have been avoided for a couple of years, he has managed to get a lot done on that front.

How he did it antagonized the education unions quite a bit. There was and remains quite a bit of animosity there - and also against Democrats who ended up cutting the education funding deal with Christie.

His performance during the flooding following Irene and Lee has shown that he knows how to manage natural disaster mitigation - and showed he can take charge of the situation and make sure that state resources are available and deployed, which was a major improvement over the perception that he failed during the blizzard last winter (when he was on vacation in Florida at the time).

"getting spending under control" always sounds like a laudable goal, but the way it's been practiced lately it always seems to mean firing a lot of hard working people or cutting their work benefits rather than more cost-efficiencies or finding the money elsewhere

in any case, i repeat my contention that his appeal to the gop surely has little to do with budget issues, and everything to do with the appeal of the animosity (as you admit) he shows to school teachers

the fact that he was unable to manage these budget issues without engendering so much animosity that he has become famous for it does not to my mind speak well for him as a leader

201 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Sep 28, 2011 6:56:21am

re: #183 albusteve

he's taken on a dire financial situation and is making headway in Jersey...Lawhawk can say more in detail as a resident of NJ and he's impressed so far...Christie has a hell of lot more experience in the trenches than say Obama, yet you worship him for his yet to be expressed leadership...Christie has a very tough job and he's doing good...teachers are like everyone else, they need to be reined in and he's been working with them to do it...why care what the TP think?

Speaking as a teacher, I'd like to know what the hell you mean by this remark? Are you implying that somehow teachers are spending too much money? Last I checked, it was locally elected school boards that set budgets.

Maybe my memory is failing me, but didn't Christie turn down federal money for a new rail link to NYC? How does that represent his fiscal wizardry?


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