1 | freetoken Fri, Oct 7, 2011 10:30:00pm |
Something to read:
4 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 10:32:16pm |
re: #1 freetoken
Something to read:
No wonder, since they totally effed up our foreign policy the last time they were in high office.
5 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 7, 2011 10:35:18pm |
re: #1 freetoken
Something to read:
I guess they know they can't call Obama a wimp with success anymore since he got that Bin Something guy.
7 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 7, 2011 10:42:17pm |
Bumped from downstairs:
If corporations receive the rights of individuals, then should they not have to accept the responsibilities and taxes of persons as well? Every corporation should pay taxes at the same rate as an individual, based on income, would have during the Reagan presidency.
That would fix the budget instantly.
8 | Kragar Fri, Oct 7, 2011 10:42:27pm |
re: #1 freetoken
Something to read:
I distrust any foreign policy that you need to cross reference against religious texts.
9 | freetoken Fri, Oct 7, 2011 10:53:17pm |
re: #4 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No wonder, since they totally effed up our foreign policy the last time they were in high office.
I think the point was... that the "base" driving the GOP nomination process is so inward looking that foreign policy is pretty much an afterthought, and what little foreign policy is offered up by the prospective candidates is incoherent.
Now, the old powers-that-be in the GOP know better - witness the Iowa agri-businessmen who were courting Christie to get in the race. Agribusiness is very sensitive to foreign policy and the loony isolationism of the Tea Partying GOP runs counter to what agriculture in this country is all about.
10 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 7, 2011 10:54:06pm |
I quit reading the City Journal when I read an article by Heather MacDonald in which she referenced the birth control pill as the "reason for societal breakdown."
I believe everyone has something to offer and try to read/hear all different points-of-view, but I haven't been able to bring myself to read the City Journal ever since.
You can just imagine my reaction . . .
11 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 11:08:54pm |
re: #10 ggt
I quit reading the City Journal when I read an article by Heather MacDonald in which she referenced the birth control pill as the "reason for societal breakdown."
I believe everyone has something to offer and try to read/hear all different points-of-view, but I haven't been able to bring myself to read the City Journal ever since.
You can just imagine my reaction . . .
I think it should be read like any other set of documents -- not to be believed like a Bible full of Ultimate Troooths, but evaluated like Mother Jones, Huffington Post, Hot Air, or American Renaissance, based on what one knows about the pov of the organization that produces it and the writers who write for it.
12 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 7, 2011 11:12:16pm |
re: #11 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I think it should be read like any other set of documents -- not to be believed like a Bible full of Ultimate Troooths, but evaluated like Mother Jones, Huffington Post, Hot Air, or American Renaissance, based on what one knows about the pov of the organization that produces it and the writers who write for it.
Yeah, it's been a couple of years and I still want to strangle the author of the article that pissed me off --I'd probably scream at her if I ever met her in person.
Now, I just tear the mag into little pieces and then shred them.
13 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 11:14:23pm |
re: #9 freetoken
I do think the total eff-ups of the neoconservatives has something to do with the tea party reaction.
Witness now all the R's claiming they're against the wars, that we should cut and run, sounding as unhinged as Cindy Sheehan about it, acting as if they never voted for it twice.
Unlike many others, I don't think it's only that they hate Obama and are against everything he does, diplomatically -- they let some true wingnuts like Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz, etc. run rampant and didn't exactly get their money's worth.
That is, unless one is still of the eggs/omelets variety.
14 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 7, 2011 11:16:42pm |
re: #12 ggt
Ha, an equally valid response.
It's catbox liner. I don't know how else to describe it, tbf.
15 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 7, 2011 11:29:07pm |
gotta fly. back in the morning.
I'll try to answer you then, DF.
16 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 7, 2011 11:48:46pm |
We researched the 100 U.S. corporations that shelled out the most last year in CEO compensation. At 25 of these corporate giants, we found, the bill for chief executive compensation actually ran higher than the company's entire federal corporate income tax bill.Corporate outlays for CEO compensation — despite the lingering Great Recession — are rising. Employment levels have barely rebounded from their recessionary lows. Top executive pay levels, by contrast, have rebounded nearly all the way back from their pre-recession levels.
This contrast shows up starkly in the 2010 ratio between average worker and average CEO compensation. In 2009, we calculate, major corporate CEOs took home 263 times the pay of America's average workers. Last year, this gap leaped to 325-to-1.
Among the nation's top firms, the S&P 500, CEO pay last year averaged $10,762,304, up 27.8 percent over 2009. Average worker pay in 2010? That finished up at $33,121, up just 3.3 percent over the year before.
LOL class warfare amiright? Let's just keep worshiping our betters, pretending that we live in a meritocracy and continue yanking on Andrew Ryan's Great Chain.
17 | Lidane Sat, Oct 8, 2011 12:03:15am |
This contrast shows up starkly in the 2010 ratio between average worker and average CEO compensation. In 2009, we calculate, major corporate CEOs took home 263 times the pay of America's average workers. Last year, this gap leaped to 325-to-1.
But remember, kids -- getting rid of the Bush tax cuts, or reverting back to Clinton, or even Reagan-era taxes = the death of freedom and the end of America now and forever. Grover Norquist says it and the GOP believes it, so it must be true.
19 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 12:33:43am |
This is just about as whacked as I've read in days.
22 | Kragar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 1:37:43am |
23 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Oct 8, 2011 1:37:55am |
24 | Alexzander Sat, Oct 8, 2011 1:38:58am |
25 | Kragar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 1:44:37am |
26 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 2:10:30am |
re: #19 ggt
This is just about as whacked as I've read in days.
Homofascism. Night of the Long Knives, anyone?
28 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 2:37:14am |
Daily WFMU pimpage: Another report from OWS by the Dusty Show's Clay Pigeon, October 6
30 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 3:09:42am |
A little Marxist propaganda:
31 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 8, 2011 3:13:34am |
32 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 3:25:14am |
re: #31 RogueOne
I sing that song all the time. Cracks me up.
Certainly a little less confrontational than a lot of other workers' movement classics:
33 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 3:25:15am |
re: #30 000G
America is about individualism: individual rights and responsibilities, and the individual's right to negotiate employment and insurance contracts with multinational corporations, because the latter are just people, too...
34 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Oct 8, 2011 3:28:06am |
re: #33 ralphieboy
America is about individualism: individual rights and responsibilities, and the individual's right to negotiate employment and insurance contracts with multinational corporations, because the latter are just people, too...
So how long until Rick Perry executes a corporation?
35 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 3:31:13am |
Theoretically, corporations can be dissolved and individual members of can be called to face legal consequences. But I have yet to hear of a corporation being raped in prison...
36 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 8, 2011 3:44:12am |
Another reason to encrypt/lockdown your phone:
Calif. Appeals Court Approves Cell Phone Searches During Traffic Stops
[Link: www.theblaze.com...]
In a case explicitly decided to set a precedent, the California Appellate court has determined police officers can rifle through your cellphone during a traffic violation stop.
This is not the first time such a law has been under scrutiny. In April, the Blaze told you about the extraction devices police were using in Michigan to download the entire contents of your phone.
Florida and Georgia are among the states that give no protection to a phone during a search after a violation has been committed. In particular, Florida law treats a smartphone as a “container” for the purposes of a search, similar to say a cardboard box open on the passenger seat, despite the thousands of personal emails, contacts, and photos a phone can carry stretching back years.
But after initially striking down cell phone snooping, California has now joined the list of states that allow cops to go through your phone without a warrant if they decide to impound your car.
37 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 3:46:17am |
re: #36 RogueOne
Which to me is the equvalent of giving the police the right to search my closets if I get busted for jaywalking.
38 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 8, 2011 3:47:49am |
re: #37 ralphieboy
Which to me is the equvalent of giving the police the right to search my closets if I get busted for jaywalking.
I know someone whose girlfriend allowed the police to search their home after she got caught with a roach during a traffic stop. Some people are too stupid for their own good.
39 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 3:51:26am |
re: #36 RogueOne
Don’t Let Privacy Law Get Stuck in 1986: Demand a Digital Upgrade to the Electronic Communications Privacy Act [secure.eff.org]
The government should be required to go to a judge and get a warrant before it can read our email, access private photographs and documents we store online, or track our location using our mobile phones. Please support legislation that would update the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 (ECPA) to require warrants for this sensitive information and to require the government to report publicly on the use of its surveillance powers.
ECPA was forward-looking when it was signed into law in October of 1986, considering that the World Wide Web hadn’t even been invented yet. But now, ECPA has become outdated. The privacy standards that it applies to new technologies are unclear and weak. For example, the law doesn’t specifically address cell phone location tracking at all, and it allows the government to seize most emails without ever having to go to a judge. Meanwhile, no one is perfectly sure how it applies to newer online services like social networks and search engines.
This gap between the law and the technology ultimately leaves us all at risk. Add your name now to sign the petition supporting ECPA reform, and feel free to add a personalized intro to the text below that will be sent to your legislators before the 25th anniversary of ECPA.
40 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 3:52:29am |
re: #38 RogueOne
I know someone whose girlfriend allowed the police to search their home after she got caught with a roach during a traffic stop. Some people are too stupid for their own good.
Sounds like that is about to become SOP. I say that police should be allowedc to conduct pre-emptive searches of houses in high-crime neighborhoods.
And I am for IRS blanket auditing of households in areas with a high rate of tax evasion and white collar criminality.
All drivers in those areas should be required to carry their most recent tax returns and receipts from the past three months in their glove compartment...
41 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 8, 2011 3:55:35am |
Speaking of being too dumb for your own good:
HPD Kingwood officers accused of stealing marijuana, getting high on the job
[Link: www.yourhoustonnews.com...]
ABC 13 initially reported about police officers taking marijuana during an arrest and bragging about getting high on work computers last month. Now messages the officers exchanged have surfaced and HPD wants to know what happened to three and a half pounds of missing dope.
Early in the morning of May 10, someone allegedly smelled pot coming from an apartment in a Summerwood complex. Whoever it was called the cops, and the cops apparently found a lot of pot.
"They started making jokes as if, oh we already know what's going on, stuff like that," 19-year-old Nicholas Hill said.
Hill was inside that apartment, and was arrested for drug possession. Now, it's at least three officers under internal police investigation.
Here's one of the text messages we found between officers on their in-car computers: At 1:29am, one officer writes one officer to another, "We just got 5lb of marijuana and a ton of other crap."
Sitting in their police cars in a Kingwood parking lot, that's what Houston cops bragged to each other what they'd found. The problem for them is that when they got downtown, it's not what they turned in.
When the officers showed up at the city jail to book Hill a short time later and turn in their evidence, the five pounds of marijuana they bragged about an hour earlier somehow had become a pound and a half.
It sounds like a joke on FARK.
42 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 8, 2011 4:03:29am |
Remember last month when the republicans were in a rage (rightfully, imo) about the raids on Gibson? Part of the uproar was based on the fact that the feds said the raid was in response to Gibson violating foreign law when the countries in question said they hadn't. Try to square this circle:
U.S. Drug Policy Would Be Imposed Globally By New House Bill
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
The House Judiciary Committee passed a bill yesterday that would make it a federal crime for U.S. residents to discuss or plan activities on foreign soil that, if carried out in the U.S., would violate the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) -- even if the planned activities are legal in the countries where they're carried out. The new law, sponsored by Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) allows prosecutors to bring conspiracy charges against anyone who discusses, plans or advises someone else to engage in any activity that violates the CSA, the massive federal law that prohibits drugs like marijuana and strictly regulates prescription medication.
"Under this bill, if a young couple plans a wedding in Amsterdam, and as part of the wedding, they plan to buy the bridal party some marijuana, they would be subject to prosecution," said Bill Piper, director of national affairs for the Drug Policy Alliance, which advocates for reforming the country's drug laws. "The strange thing is that the purchase of and smoking the marijuana while you're there wouldn't be illegal. But this law would make planning the wedding from the U.S. a federal crime."
43 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 8, 2011 4:04:16am |
If you're planning on taking a vacation to Amsterdam, keep your mouth shut.
44 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Oct 8, 2011 4:17:59am |
What Everyone Is Too Polite to Say About Steve Jobs
In the days after Steve Jobs' death, friends and colleagues have, in customary fashion, been sharing their fondest memories of the Apple co-founder. He's been hailed as "a genius" and "the greatest CEO of his generation" by pundits and tech journalists. But a great man's reputation can withstand a full accounting. And, truth be told, Jobs could be terrible to people, and his impact on the world was not uniformly positive.
After celebrating Jobs' achievements, we should talk freely about the dark side of Jobs and the company he co-founded. Here, then, is a catalog of lowlights:
45 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 4:25:16am |
re: #43 RogueOne
If you're planning on taking a vacation to Amsterdam, keep your mouth shut.
The Netherlands are about to ban sales of high-potency weed in coffee shops and introduce laws banning tourists from visiting them. Times are getting tough all over...
46 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 8, 2011 4:33:30am |
re: #45 ralphieboy
The Netherlands are about to ban sales of high-potency weed in coffee shops and introduce laws banning tourists from visiting them. Times are getting tough all over...
I just read about the re-classification of high potency marijuana this morning. I thought the law banning tourists in the shops had already passed?
48 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 4:44:53am |
re: #46 RogueOne
I just read about the re-classification of high potency marijuana this morning. I thought the law banning tourists in the shops had already passed?
Do not know the details. Have not been there in a long time. Last time I was in Utrecht (years ago) I ordered some skunk, at which point the vendor said "Sorry, I cannot sell this to you!".
I was a bit nonplussed until he explained that the baggie contained an enormous stem, which was entirely uncool, he fetched me a new baggie...
50 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 8, 2011 5:02:51am |
re: #46 RogueOne
I just read about the re-classification of high potency marijuana this morning. I thought the law banning tourists in the shops had already passed?
What's the rationale behind the ban, I wonder?
51 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 5:05:12am |
re: #50 Sergey Romanov
What's the rationale behind the ban, I wonder?
The right wing is also gaining ascendancy in The Netherlands, a lot of people are tired of "drug tourism", as it tends to do little for the rest of the economy, and varieties of dope have grown so potent of late (more than 15% THC content) that they really can be classified as "hard drugs".
52 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 5:13:08am |
re: #28 000G
Daily WFMU pimpage: Another report from OWS by the Dusty Show's Clay Pigeon, October 6
lol, that has an Ed Schultz appearance!
53 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 5:30:08am |
"Revolutionary Sketch," a Strange Short Film Made From Archival Communist Propaganda Aimed at Soviet Teens
[Link: www.ubu.com...]
54 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 8, 2011 5:38:47am |
re: #53 000G
Kinda boring.
55 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 5:44:07am |
56 | Flounder Sat, Oct 8, 2011 5:57:22am |
re: #55 000G
OMG they are not wearing helmets!!
Netty-pott competition, how do people think of this!?
57 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 8, 2011 6:02:32am |
re: #55 000G
ok, then:
[Video]
Heh.
Speaking of Soviet avant garde, the most weird and surrealistic imagery is in Vladimir Kobrin's popular science films. Those were the films that were actually recommended for use in high schools. Cf. this 1989 film "Self-organization of biological systems" (scroll to somewhere in the middle).
60 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 8, 2011 6:10:31am |
Or this 1987 flick, "Chemical transport through biological membranes"
And here's his most famous, Homo paradoxum:
61 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 8, 2011 6:10:55am |
62 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 6:22:39am |
re: #28 000G
Daily WFMU pimpage: Another report from OWS by the Dusty Show's Clay Pigeon, October 6
lol, also an appearance of Sam Webb
63 | Flounder Sat, Oct 8, 2011 6:23:17am |
Yummy, pancakes with real maple flavored corn syrup, it's what for breakfast!
64 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 8, 2011 6:28:57am |
Kid raps against Putin and the Party of Thieves (United Russia):
65 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Oct 8, 2011 6:30:55am |
be back tmrw.
67 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:18:50am |
re: #63 Shropshire_Slasher
Yummy, pancakes with real maple flavored corn syrup, it's what for breakfast!
Coffee (that my co-worker brewed hours ago)
:(
68 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:24:03am |
re: #67 sattv4u2
Coffee (that my co-worker brewed hours ago)
:(
Well - get up and make some fresh! What are you, an invalid?
69 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:25:31am |
70 | Obdicut Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:25:39am |
re: #68 reine.de.tout
Fun fact: I read a lot of words before I could pronounce them, and so for a long time I pronounced that as if I were saying "You have an invalid ticket".
"Poor Mrs. Badcrumble, her sciatica has made her an invalid."
71 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:28:36am |
re: #68 reine.de.tout
Well - get up and make some fresh! What are you, an invalid?
I hate to waste!
One more cup out of the old pot then I'll brew a fresh pot for the rest of the day
72 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:28:54am |
re: #70 Obdicut
Fun fact: I read a lot of words before I could pronounce them, and so for a long time I pronounced that as if I were saying "You have an invalid ticket".
"Poor Mrs. Badcrumble, her sciatica has made her an invalid."
LOL.
That's the problem with English - too many words that are spelled the same, pronounced differently for different meanings, or pronounced differently in a longer form than in the shorter form.
For what it's worth, I did the same thing. Another one - impotent. Gah. We could probably go on all day thinking of these things.
My daughter's confusion came over the prayer, "Hail Mary, full of grace".
"Mom, why does it say, HELL, Mary . . . ".
73 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:32:11am |
re: #72 reine.de.tout
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
74 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:33:05am |
Praying for rain. If none, I mow at 11.:(
75 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:34:32am |
re: #72 reine.de.tout
Richard Stands!
In grammar school, learning about American History, there were many names taught
George Washington,,, Ben Franklin,, The Adamses ,,, Hamilton (et al)
Not once did they tell us about Richard Stands!
So I had no idea why his name was in the Pledge of Allegience
",,,, and to the republic for Richard Stands,,,,"
76 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:36:18am |
re: #69 000G
Beck Has "Absolutely No Respect For" Jon Stewart: "You Are Not A Thinking Man At All"
I'm ambivalent right now about the whole Occupy movement, but the absolute hostility that the Right is showing to them, after years of playing up the "home grown, grassroots" Tea Party, is absolutely hilarious.
77 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:37:30am |
re: #73 000G
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
LOL. "Forks in the road" is one of the pages in that book!
I can remember when we were very young, my brother and I getting curious about where the "lions" were on the road. He, of course, was talking about "lines". Wish I could tell you how long we went back and forth on that one:
"Right there!"
"I don't see anything"
"Right there in front of us!"
"We don't see the lions!"
"How can you miss them?"
78 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:37:34am |
re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm ambivalent right now about the whole Occupy movement, but the absolute hostility that the Right is showing to them, after years of playing up the "home grown, grassroots" Tea Party is absolutely hilarious.
Occupy Tampa sure is a big hit!!! NOT!!!
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
79 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:38:20am |
re: #77 reine.de.tout
LOL. "Forks in the road" is one of the pages in that book!
I can remember when we were very young, my brother and I getting curious about where the "lions" were on the road. He, of course, was talking about "lines". Wish I could tell you how long we went back and forth on that one:
"Right there!"
"I don't see anything"
"Right there in front of us!"
"We don't see the lions!"
"How can you miss them?"
"He" being my dad, the driver.
80 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:41:54am |
81 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:43:36am |
re: #80 sattv4u2
You dad was a golf club!?!?
Satt, you are so bad.
Actually - not a bad comparison. He scared us.
82 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:44:03am |
re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm ambivalent right now about the whole Occupy movement, but the absolute hostility that the Right is showing to them, after years of playing up the "home grown, grassroots" Tea Party, is absolutely hilarious.
For me it's been a reminder that the sword cuts both ways. For me the Left has lost all credibility to criticize the Tea Party. The lefty rallies are just as bad, in my opinion the lefty rallies are actually worse because of the violence. It has dampened my enthusiasm for exposing right wing extremism.
83 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:46:25am |
Why is it still morning?
I hate mornings -especially when I wake-up because I NEED MORE ALLERGY MEDS.
How are you-all?
84 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:46:42am |
re: #82 Killgore Trout
It has dampened my enthusiasm for exposing right wing extremism.
Don't let it
BOTH sides need to be be exposed, for the very reason you stated
For me the Left has lost all credibility to criticize the Tea Party.
Months ago, I got overwhelmingly trashed here for posting 6 simple words
A POX ON BOTH THEIR HOUSES
85 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:47:33am |
re: #83 ggt
Why is it still morning?
I hate mornings -especially when I wake-up because I NEED MORE ALLERGY MEDS.
How are you-all?
Hang tough
1st frost will be here soon!
(I'm assuming the allergies are pollen related)
87 | Kronocide Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:51:26am |
re: #82 Killgore Trout
For me it's been a reminder that the sword cuts both ways. For me the Left has lost all credibility to criticize the Tea Party. The lefty rallies are just as bad, in my opinion the lefty rallies are actually worse because of the violence. It has dampened my enthusiasm for exposing right wing extremism.
The question is, will Dems heed this 'new' movement and show it's influence in the coming election? I don't see that happening to any scale comparable to the GOP embracing the TP.
88 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:51:28am |
re: #85 sattv4u2
Hang tough
1st frost will be here soon!
(I'm assuming the allergies are pollen related)
the culprit right now is MOLD. Pollen is over until about Februrary when the Trees start their root growing cycle --something they do regardless of the weather above ground, as I understand it.
Yes, a good freezing even nullifies Mold as far as allergies to. It also puts bugs into hibernation or kills them --a double bonus!
89 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:52:18am |
re: #86 Cannadian Club Akbar
Rain clouds are building.:)
What are they building?
I could use a new shed in my yard
90 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:52:33am |
re: #82 Killgore Trout
For me it's been a reminder that the sword cuts both ways. For me the Left has lost all credibility to criticize the Tea Party. The lefty rallies are just as bad, in my opinion the lefty rallies are actually worse because of the violence. It has dampened my enthusiasm for exposing right wing extremism.
I'm remaining ambivalent because, as with the Tea Party, I expect the whole Occupy movement to eventually become little more than a political arm of the DNC, when it's not being used to promote the policies of groups like ANSWER.
Believe it or not, I once did find some appeal in the Tea Party. I thought they sounded like folks who were truly fed up with things and wanted real change. Then the surface got peeled back and it was just the same bunch of yahoos and WASPs as every election, screaming "Down with Big Government, But Keep Your Hands Off My Medicare!"
91 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:54:51am |
re: #90 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm remaining ambivalent because, as with the Tea Party, I expect the whole Occupy movement to eventually become little more than a political arm of the DNC, when it's not being used to promote the policies of groups like ANSWER.
Believe it or not, I once did find some appeal in the Tea Party. I thought they sounded like folks who were truly fed up with things and wanted real change. Then the surface got peeled back and it was just the same bunch of yahoos and WASPs as every election, screaming "Down with Big Government, But Keep Your Hands Off My Medicare!"
In a way, it's too bad. Right now there is momentum to make change in the financial regulations --what change? I have no idea.
There is also the danger that change will be made (ka-ching) for change's sake. With no real improvement and maybe a net loss for all.
92 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:57:45am |
re: #82 Killgore Trout
For me it's been a reminder that the sword cuts both ways. For me the Left has lost all credibility to criticize the Tea Party. The lefty rallies are just as bad, in my opinion the lefty rallies are actually worse because of the violence. It has dampened my enthusiasm for exposing right wing extremism.
I used some of your info and links to try to open some eyes for some of my FB friends. I have utmost sympathy for you - it was exhausting. Odd to me that folks who espouse that some of us engage in "self-reflection" for dearly held values, do not wish to engage in it themselves.
93 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 7:59:33am |
re: #91 ggt
In a way, it's too bad. Right now there is momentum to make change in the financial regulations --what change? I have no idea.
There is also the danger that change will be made (ka-ching) for change's sake. With no real improvement and maybe a net loss for all.
Personally, my immediate priority is political change, as in the kind that turns Congress back into a functioning legislative body again. Only then can any change, whether it be financial, social, economic, or other, be pursued without becoming the tool of Wall Street power brokers.
94 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:00:26am |
Obdicut, before you head out, please take note of my polling question suggestion: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
You might want to encourage them to keep their answer to one sentence.
95 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:00:55am |
re: #91 ggt
In a way, it's too bad. Right now there is momentum to make change in the financial regulations --what change? I have no idea.
There is also the danger that change will be made (ka-ching) for change's sake. With no real improvement and maybe a net loss for all.
Bingo.
96 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:01:04am |
Lizard Thread Poll:
Don't you think that *SPUG* should be a word acceptable in Words with Friends and Strangers?
SPUG= n, 1. a energetic little short muzzled dog. 2. a spark plug
97 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:01:20am |
re: #96 ggt
Lizard Thread Poll:
Don't you think that *SPUG* should be a word acceptable in Words with Friends and Strangers?
SPUG= n, 1. a energetic little short muzzled dog. 2. a spark plug
Sure.
98 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:02:33am |
re: #93 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I found this site if you want to follow the money.
[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]
100 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:04:06am |
re: #82 Killgore Trout
For me the Left has lost all credibility to criticize the Tea Party. The lefty rallies are just as bad,
I was gonna say "Really? It's all MBF now?" but then…
in my opinion the lefty rallies are actually worse because of the violence. It has dampened my enthusiasm for exposing right wing extremism.
Why am I not surprised?
101 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:04:27am |
Dear Co-Workers
Pens come with caps for a reason
Please place the cap on the pointy end of the pen so the pen will function longer!
Thanks
Cranky Old Me Looking For A Working Pen In The Control Room
102 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:05:20am |
THIS PAGEs-could incite some very intersting conversations.
103 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:05:25am |
re: #101 sattv4u2
Dear Co-Workers
Pens come with caps for a reason
Please place the cap on the pointy end of the pen so the pen will function longer!
Thanks
Cranky Old Me Looking For A Working Pen In The Control Room
LOL.
I use sharpie pens to mark my glass for things I'm working on.
I cannot tell you how many sharpies I use for each panel, because I forget to put the caps back on.
104 | Obdicut Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:05:27am |
re: #82 Killgore Trout
For me it's been a reminder that the sword cuts both ways. For me the Left has lost all credibility to criticize the Tea Party. The lefty rallies are just as bad, in my opinion the lefty rallies are actually worse because of the violence. It has dampened my enthusiasm for exposing right wing extremism.
The 'violence' has been pretty minor.
The biggest example of 'lefty' rallies that we've had were the anti-war marches, which were vastly, vastly, vastly larger than these Occupy protests.
Other examples are stuff like the gay rights marches, the pro-immigrant marches, etc. The Wisconsin rallies were far larger than these.
These protests are not by the mainstream left. The Tea Party types really are the mainstream right these days. I fully agree with you that there is the danger of the extremist types at these rallies gaining power on the 'left', but at the moment it is only a danger.
I'm going to be heading down there today to do some on the spot polling; unscientific, ad-hoc, but hopefully in some way illuminating.
105 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:05:42am |
re: #101 sattv4u2
Dear Co-Workers
Pens come with caps for a reason
Please place the cap on the pointy end of the pen so the pen will function longer!
Thanks
Cranky Old Me Looking For A Working Pen In The Control Room
I've always used retractable pens when working. I never had time to fuck with caps.
106 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:06:21am |
107 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:10:25am |
re: #104 Obdicut
The 'violence' has been pretty minor.
And hardly evidence of any systemic "left-wing violence", I might add.
The biggest example of 'lefty' rallies that we've had were the anti-war marches, which were vastly, vastly, vastly larger than these Occupy protests.
Other examples are stuff like the gay rights marches, the pro-immigrant marches, etc. The Wisconsin rallies were far larger than these.
Good points. But somehow, now "the Left" has been delegitimized, apparently.
These protests are not by the mainstream left. The Tea Party types really are the mainstream right these days.
Some people here want the MBF to be true really, really bad. I think they want their own disappointment with the Right going of the cliff the last couple years to be mirrored on the Left.
I'm going to be heading down there today to do some on the spot polling; unscientific, ad-hoc, but hopefully in some way illuminating.
I appreciate your work. Spread some love!
108 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:10:37am |
re: #106 reine.de.tout
Too early. For me anyhow.
Same here
That, and I'm just starting day 3 of 6 in a row of 12 hours or more
((want to keep it light,, SO ,,, if it gets too heavy here today/ tomorrow/ etc I'll most likely bail)
109 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:14:31am |
So, huntin' season is coming up. Princess dog is a part-time hunter, part-time couch potato. The hair on her feet grows and grows and I was told that she can't wear her fuzzy slippers in the field because they pick-up all kinds of stuff and become an impediment for the dog.
I spent about an hour cutting about 2/3 of her visual feet off. I can't get used to the look. It seems as though literally amputated part of her feet!
LOL
110 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:18:25am |
re: #87 BigPapa
The question is, will Dems heed this 'new' movement and show it's influence in the coming election? I don't see that happening to any scale comparable to the GOP embracing the TP.
I doubt it too. This is nothing new on the left. Thankfully there's always been a disconnect between the radical activist base and the beltway political establishment. It minimizes the radical influence on elected officials but I do think it hurts the Dem's electoral performance. The activist base on the left is not a reliable voting block. I think they'd like to imitate the Tea Party but I don't think it will happen.
111 | Kronocide Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:19:20am |
re: #107 000G
And hardly evidence of any systemic "left-wing violence", I might add
I find it odd to call it 'left wing violence.' The violence seems to be cops on protesters.
I have no doubt some protesters are there to agitate and get arrested, to provoke the police. I guess you could call it violence if you have some agitators that provoke the police to get maced or thrown to the ground. But 'left wing' violence, not so sure about that.
112 | Obdicut Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:19:42am |
re: #107 000G
I prefer not to speculate about motives. It tends to get into weird areas.
I think it's perfectly, perfectly valid for Killgore to ask questions like:
If people are responding to protests organized by Adbusters, shouldn't what Adbusters stands for (including anti-Semitic conspiracy theories) matter?
Shouldn't the protesters be held accountable for those that protest along with them? If someone is there with an openly anti-semitic sign, shouldn't he be confronted?
I think a lot of the rationale of what he's saying gets lost because he's also putting a laugh track on pictures of people getting pepper-sprayed. And then saying he doesn't like the violence.
To put it another way: An Adbusters candidate for office would be just as radical as a Tea Party candidate. Whatever you may think of their goals or ideals, they are very, very far away from the mainstream of US thought, and being pro-anarchist and anti-capitalist would make for about as extreme a candidate as a theocratic Tea Party type.
The difference being that I don't think there is any reason to believe the people at these rallies are going to swing the DNC by the tail in the way that the Tea Party did, and that I don't think the leaders of the Democrats are going to embrace their values anytime soon, whereas the values and message of the Tea Party were very much embraced by the GOP. In fact, I'd say the Tea Party just lifted up the lid of a value system already in place in the GOP, legacy of Dick Armey, Norquist, the collusion with the Religious Right, and generations of the Southern Strategy.
113 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:20:51am |
re: #109 ggt
So, huntin' season is coming up. Princess dog is a part-time hunter, part-time couch potato. The hair on her feet grows and grows and I was told that she can't wear her fuzzy slippers in the field because they pick-up all kinds of stuff and become an impediment for the dog.
I spent about an hour cutting about 2/3 of her visual feet off. I can't get used to the look. It seems as though literally amputated part of her feet!
LOL
What do you hunt?
114 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:21:53am |
re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm ambivalent right now about the whole Occupy movement, but the absolute hostility that the Right is showing to them, after years of playing up the "home grown, grassroots" Tea Party is absolutely hilarious.
I recommend this article at Harry's Place on how Fox & the rest of the right-wing media have been treating OWS: [Link: hurryupharry.org...]
MediaMatters has some hilarious pieces: [Link: mediamatters.org...]
115 | Obdicut Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:23:31am |
Heh. Being rational is a little wearing.
I should just totally flip out some day and stake out some wildly extremist positions.
116 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:25:59am |
117 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:26:12am |
re: #113 Killgore Trout
What do you hunt?
mostly diamonds and shoes.
My husband and kid hunt pheasant.
The dogs, lately have been hunting mostly patio toads.
118 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:28:42am |
I could be mayor.:)
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
119 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:29:43am |
re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar
I could be mayor.:)
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Yes, you could
You already have the head and outfit for it
120 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:30:12am |
re: #112 Obdicut
I think it's perfectly, perfectly valid for Killgore to ask questions like:
If people are responding to protests organized by Adbusters, shouldn't what Adbusters stands for (including anti-Semitic conspiracy theories) matter?
Shouldn't the protesters be held accountable for those that protest along with them? If someone is there with an openly anti-semitic sign, shouldn't he be confronted?
I think those questions are perfectly valid, however it's also true that KT hasn't really been asking them, that's more what you did. His job seems to have been exposure, not critique. And a lot of his commentary lately is snark, mockery, and a somewhat creepy glee at the sight of protestors getting beaten. I can understand that coming from a sarcastic pov that wants to get back at some of what he perceives to be ignorance to his otherwise fair observations. But some stuff just comes across as petty and it doesn't help anything.
I think a lot of the rationale of what he's saying gets lost because he's also putting a laugh track on pictures of people getting pepper-sprayed. And then saying he doesn't like the violence.
Yup.
To put it another way: An Adbusters candidate for office would be just as radical as a Tea Party candidate. Whatever you may think of their goals or ideals, they are very, very far away from the mainstream of US thought, and being pro-anarchist and anti-capitalist would make for about as extreme a candidate as a theocratic Tea Party type.
Indeed, that would be the MBF having become real. It isn't real, however – put a "yet" after that statement if you want.
The difference being that I don't think there is any reason to believe the people at these rallies are going to swing the DNC by the tail in the way that the Tea Party did, and that I don't think the leaders of the Democrats are going to embrace their values anytime soon, whereas the values and message of the Tea Party were very much embraced by the GOP. In fact, I'd say the Tea Party just lifted up the lid of a value system already in place in the GOP, legacy of Dick Armey, Norquist, the collusion with the Religious Right, and generations of the Southern Strategy.
Agreed. But I do want to point out that there are legitimate points that OWS has been focusing attention on, real issues that even the President adressed recently (and for that he got massive conspiracy theory flak from the Right that is by now pretty much canon). If these real issues become the core focus of the protests, that would be great. If it all rides off into lefty la-la-land with the Dems following then it would become MBF come true.
121 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:31:50am |
re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar
I could be mayor.:)
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Ah, how business is done and has been done since the beginning of business . . .
123 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:32:59am |
re: #120 000G
Didn't Cain spout some of the OWC conspiracy nonsense as well?
124 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:35:22am |
Well, this lawn ain't gonna mow itself. BBIAB.
125 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:36:11am |
re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, this lawn ain't gonna mow itself. BBIAB.
It would if you owned a goat!
126 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:38:00am |
re: #125 sattv4u2
It would if you owned a goat!
AND ,,, it makes a tasty dinner after it's been fattened up all summer!!
127 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:38:25am |
128 | allegro Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:43:26am |
Excellent article:
10 Things to Know About Wall Street's Rapacious Attack on America
129 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:46:28am |
Whackos to the Left and Wackos to the Right.
IMHO, we have a problem with Whackos in Congress . . . .
130 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:47:56am |
re: #129 ggt
Whackos to the Left and Wackos to the Right.
IMHO, we have a problem with Whackos in Congress . . .
Stuck in the middle with you
(which isn't bad, unless I have to pay for the diamonds and shoes!!)
131 | Lidane Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:48:13am |
re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm ambivalent right now about the whole Occupy movement, but the absolute hostility that the Right is showing to them, after years of playing up the "home grown, grassroots" Tea Party, is absolutely hilarious.
I completely understand the rage of the OWS movement. I get it, even if I'm not the type to go out and protest in the streets. Hell, now I'd be even less inclined, since I've got to hustle and get a job and get cash in hand before next month or I'm screwed.
That said, yeah. The hostility on the right towards OWS, especially after the last few years of Tea Party rallies is hilarious and entirely telling.
132 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:48:43am |
re: #130 sattv4u2
Stuck in the middle with you
(which isn't bad, unless I have to pay for the diamonds and shoes!!)
most certainly! get out of my middle!
LOL
133 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:51:02am |
re: #128 allegro
Excellent article:
10 Things to Know About Wall Street's Rapacious Attack on America
. Wall Street still owns the regulators: When you put too much money in the hands of the few and when you deregulate finance, you get a financial casino. That’s what happened in the years leading up to the 1929 crash, and it happened again in 2008. During the New Deal we regulated the tar out of finance, ending their reign of speculative terror. And it worked for nearly a quarter of a century as financial crises virtually disappeared. Since financial deregulation reappeared over the last 30 years, there have been over 180 financial crises around the world. So you would think after 2008, we’d be back to reining in the bankers. But, no…our leaders are afraid to stifle “financial innovation” (See next point.) The Dodd-Frank bill is weak and getting weaker, thanks to intensive Wall Street lobbying. High government officials still believe that Wall Street can lead the nation forward. The kids are telling us that we should shut down the casinos now. Right again.
That would be the problem, IMHO.
134 | Four More Tears Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:51:25am |
GlaDOSiri. The only iPhone I would consider buying.
135 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:51:26am |
re: #128 allegro
Excellent article:
10 Things to Know About Wall Street's Rapacious Attack on America
You should PAGES that article!
136 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:53:30am |
re: #131 Lidane
We let ourselves be snookered again. We bailed out Wall Street but demanded no reforms on their part, and any attempt to get them to concede just brings cries that government interference and overregulation will ruin the financial industry.
As if it were anything but a lack of regulation and oversight that led to the initial problem.
When people decide that elections are not going to bring about the results they long for, they take to the streets and get vocal.
In that sense the Tea Parts and OWS are of the same cloth, just cut from different ends of the bolt.
137 | Lidane Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:53:30am |
re: #128 allegro
Excellent article:
10 Things to Know About Wall Street's Rapacious Attack on America
138 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:57:24am |
re: #134 JasonA
GlaDOSiri. The only iPhone I would consider buying.
[Video]
I can't stand the washing machine beeping at me when it's cycle is finished. I don't think I could have a phone that talked back. I'd probably throw it around.
My husband as one of the GPS things that talks. If I hear "recalculating" ONE MORE TIME . . . !!!!!
Do you want to know what I think of Alarm Clocks?
139 | Lidane Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:58:39am |
re: #136 ralphieboy
In that sense the Tea Parts and OWS are of the same cloth, just cut from different ends of the bolt.
Speaking of which:
140 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 8:58:43am |
re: #137 Lidane
If there is one thing I will never forgive Obama for, it's allowing the opportunity to crack down on Wall Street go. Whatever the reason, whether it be out of some misguided belief that holding back would be seen as "bipartisan" or fear that he'd be characterized as a "socialist" for going after them (as if it stopped the Right when he didn't), he blew a perfect opportunity that would have carried with it a great deal of support from voters.
Honestly, I think in some ways that's part of the apathy and general distaste that's been aimed at his presidency thus far, the fact that he simply refuses to rock the boat when everybody can see that it's badly needed.
141 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:01:12am |
re: #136 ralphieboy
We let ourselves be snookered again. We bailed out Wall Street but demanded no reforms on their part, and any attempt to get them to concede just brings cries that government interference and overregulation will ruin the financial industry.
As if it were anything but a lack of regulation and oversight that led to the initial problem.
When people decide that elections are not going to bring about the results they long for, they take to the streets and get vocal.
In that sense the Tea Parts and OWS are of the same cloth, just cut from different ends of the bolt.
Agreed. My original criticism of the Tea Party agenda is the same with OWS. The bailouts were necessary. It was essential to save our banking infrastructure. Serious banking reform is going to be very difficult under normal circumstances because of the big money involved. In today's political environment with the obstructionist GOP it's next to impossible. I'd like to see more serious talk about banking regulations as well as breaking up the large megabanks but I don't think that's going to happen.
142 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:01:27am |
re: #140 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If there is one thing I will never forgive Obama for, it's allowing the opportunity to crack down on Wall Street go. Whatever the reason, whether it be out of some misguided belief that holding back would be seen as "bipartisan" or fear that he'd be characterized as a "socialist" for going after them (as if it stopped the Right when he didn't), he blew a perfect opportunity that would have carried with it a great deal of support from voters.
Because he is as owned by Wall Street as most any other major politician. His hands are tied, and even if he called for it, as was the case with Dodd-Frank, none of it would be seriously implemented. (cf. D-F)
143 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:01:41am |
re: #140 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
144 | makeitstop Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:02:21am |
I went looking at the videos made by the 'Bad Lip Reading' guy last night.
Besides the ridiculously funny political ones (Bachmann, Perry, and Obama), the guy has done some song rebuilds with the likes of Taylor Swift, Rebecca Black and Black Eyed Peas that are not only funny as hell, but really good songs on their own.
The guy's a record producer out of Texas, and he's really good at what he does.
145 | Lidane Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:03:30am |
re: #141 Killgore Trout
Agreed. My original criticism of the Tea Party agenda is the same with OWS. The bailouts were necessary. It was essential to save our banking infrastructure. Serious banking reform is going to be very difficult under normal circumstances because of the big money involved. In today's political environment with the obstructionist GOP it's next to impossible. I'd like to see more serious talk about banking regulations as well as breaking up the large megabanks but I don't think that's going to happen.
Of course it's not going to happen. The same people who would push back the hardest on actual banking reform and regulations are the same ones who work the hardest to convince people to vote against their own economic interests every single time by telling them that reform and regulation are an end to America as we know it.
Ergo, we have movements like OWS and the Tea Party.
146 | Four More Tears Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:03:41am |
re: #138 ggt
I can't stand the washing machine beeping at me when it's cycle is finished. I don't think I could have a phone that talked back. I'd probably throw it around.
My husband as one of the GPS things that talks. If I hear "recalculating" ONE MORE TIME . . . !!!
Do you want to know what I think of Alarm Clocks?
Apple's betting big on this feature being a killer app, but I don't know how high the demand for it is going to be. Android has had good voice controls from the get-go for anyone who wanted it, and Windows Phone 7 just made theirs better with 7.5.
I guess it all comes down to whether or not people want to talk to their phones. I feel kind of silly doing it.
147 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:04:30am |
How do citizens vote with their money against Wall Street and Big Banks?
You can't keep your money in a mattress --or not enough people would do that to make a difference.
Technically, with automatic deposit and internet banking, it is possible to bank anywhere in the world --a non US bank, but aren't most banks internationally connected anyway?
Meaning, when consumers are upset with a corporation, they boycot it's products.
How do you boycott Wall Street? How do you hit them in the wallet?
148 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:05:33am |
re: #147 ggt
You can't keep your money in a mattress --or not enough people would do that to make a difference.
Would you be interested in investing in my mattress fund?
149 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:05:42am |
re: #146 JasonA
Apple's betting big on this feature being a killer app, but I don't know how high the demand for it is going to be. Android has had good voice controls from the get-go for anyone who wanted it, and Windows Phone 7 just made theirs better with 7.5.
I guess it all comes down to whether or not people want to talk to their phones. I feel kind of silly doing it.
Knight Rider but without the car?
150 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:06:38am |
Good morning lizards.
I've been without a cigarette since Monday. I might make it after all.
151 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:07:03am |
The arguments against regulating the financial markets sounded to me like arguing that traffic lights impede our freedom of travel and should be dismantled.
Which works fine for a while- at least for those with the biggest SUV's, but eventually you hit gridlock, and then you find out how expensive it is to call out traffic cops to stand at all the intersections and get things moving again.
...
152 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:07:14am |
re: #150 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards.
I've been without a cigarette since Monday. I might make it after all.
((((NJDhockeyfan)))))))
153 | iceweasel Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:07:56am |
Oh boy. I'm talking to a dear friend and just finding out she believes in psychics.
154 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:08:34am |
re: #145 Lidane
Of course it's not going to happen. The same people who would push back the hardest on actual banking reform and regulations are the same ones who work the hardest to convince people to vote against their own economic interests every single time by telling them that reform and regulation are an end to America as we know it.
Ergo, we have movements like OWS and the Tea Party.
What politician would purposefully attack his biggest donors and/or their friends? Renting a politician these days is not something that J. Average Voter can do on the sort of pay that Big Business is willing to pay. And every election, we send some new kid who promises he'll be "our" voice, the voice of the common man, but within months is kissing Wall Street ass with the best of them. After all, he's gotta start putting away money for his reelection bid, dontchaknow?
155 | Four More Tears Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:08:45am |
re: #149 ggt
Knight Rider but without the car?
More like KITT without a personality. But sci-fi has been telling us that this is what we're supposed to be doing, so I guess it is inevitable, Mr. Anderson...
156 | Obdicut Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:08:45am |
re: #150 NJDhockeyfan
The first two weeks are by far the hardest.
Starting coughing up the black crap that's been in your lungs for years yet? That's a fun part. It happens because the cilia in your lungs regrow and are actually able to clean it out.
157 | allegro Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:08:46am |
re: #135 ggt
You should PAGES that article!
I would iffin I knew how. I can't find a thingie to do that with...
158 | Kronocide Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:09:23am |
re: #150 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards.
I've been without a cigarette since Monday. I might make it after all.
That's fantastic. Take it day by day, craving by craving. You are now a non-smoker.
I'm still so happy I quit 10 years later.
159 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:10:26am |
re: #153 iceweasel
Oh boy. I'm talking to a dear friend and just finding out she believes in psychics.
((((ice weasel)))))
160 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:11:05am |
re: #151 ralphieboy
The arguments against regulating the financial markets sounded to me like arguing that traffic lights impede our freedom of travel and should be dismantled.
Which works fine for a while- at least for those with the biggest SUV's, but eventually you hit gridlock, and then you find out how expensive it is to call out traffic cops to stand at all the intersections and get things moving again.
...
The most vocal voices against regulations are the ones who have to spend money circumventing them. Their interest is solely in making it legal, or at least free from prosecution, to scam you and me out of greater sums of money.
161 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:11:36am |
re: #157 allegro
I would iffin I knew how. I can't find a thingie to do that with...
On the Pages Main Page, up at the top hit the button that says "Create A Page". The applet will appear in a new window.
163 | allegro Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:12:26am |
re: #161 ggt
On the Pages Main Page, up at the top hit the button that says "Create A Page". The applet will appear in a new window.
Ah, there it is! I knew there had to be one. Thanks!
164 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:14:05am |
I think the Lawyers are going to have to go after Wall Street --regulate thru the courts (instead of legislate thru the courts).
Congress will never do anything about the issue in a manner that works.
165 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:14:43am |
re: #160 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The most vocal voices against regulations are the ones who have to spend money circumventing them. Their interest is solely in making it legal, or at least free from prosecution, to scam you and me out of greater sums of money.
The two biggest arguments: "regulation stifles our industry" and "we need high salaries and bonuses to attract the best talent" were completely dispersed by the events of 2008, but there are enough people willing to still belive in them that the arguments are still presented.
166 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:15:06am |
re: #150 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards.
I've been without a cigarette since Monday. I might make it after all.
You will
The first ten years or so are the hardest
After that, it's just maintenance!!
167 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:15:38am |
Is there an ACLU or SPLC for those de-frauded by Big Money?
168 | blueraven Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:16:00am |
re: #141 Killgore Trout
Agreed. My original criticism of the Tea Party agenda is the same with OWS. The bailouts were necessary. It was essential to save our banking infrastructure. Serious banking reform is going to be very difficult under normal circumstances because of the big money involved. In today's political environment with the obstructionist GOP it's next to impossible. I'd like to see more serious talk about banking regulations as well as breaking up the large megabanks but I don't think that's going to happen.
And the reason its not going to happen is because our politicians are bought. They are bought by the big corporations, banks, polluting industries, etc...
Our politicians spend the majority of their time fund raising. This is our system. The lobbyists control the agenda and basically write our laws and regulations.
Both parties engage in this. They may be good people, but it is the system we have created. Until we get big money interest out of our political system, nothing will change.
169 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:19:29am |
re: #168 blueraven
And the reason its not going to happen is because our politicians are bought. They are bought by the big corporations, banks, polluting industries, etc...
Our politicians spend the majority of their time fund raising. This is our system. The lobbyist control the agenda and basically write our laws and regulations.
Both parties engage in this. They may be good people, but it is the system we have created. Until we get big money interest out of our political system, nothing will change.
don't you think a part of the problem is that the Corporations are ENTRENCHED in our every day lives? Not only what we buy and eat, but in sports, and philanthropy. Hospitals, not-for profits get big money from Corporations. With every layer, there seems to be corporate entanglement that is global.
(OH, a new buzz word --Corporate Enganglement, not be confused with Quantum Entanglement).
It's a complex issue --
170 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:19:34am |
re: #165 ralphieboy
The two biggest arguments: "regulation stifles our industry" and "we need high salaries and bonuses to attract the best talent" were completely dispersed by the events of 2008, but there are enough people willing to still belive in them that the arguments are still presented.
They did their job in '09, making the subject of holding banks responsible for the collapse and subsequently relying largely on TARP dollars unpalatable. It's that failure to act, combined with the subsequent belief that Wall Street is "overregulated" and "overtaxed" that has given rise to the OWS movement. Whether or not it will do more than cause a great deal of sound and fury has yet to be determined.
171 | darthstar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:23:18am |
re: #162 Obdicut
Alright. I'm off to Zucotti park.
Have fun you America-hating-nothing better to do-anti-zionist-zionist-organic food eating Satan worshipper.
172 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:23:42am |
re: #156 Obdicut
The first two weeks are by far the hardest.
Starting coughing up the black crap that's been in your lungs for years yet? That's a fun part. It happens because the cilia in your lungs regrow and are actually able to clean it out.
Not yet but sounds like an experience I wont forget.
173 | blueraven Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:25:03am |
re: #169 ggt
don't you think a part of the problem is that the Corporations are ENTRENCHED in our every day lives? Not only what we buy and eat, but in sports, and philanthropy. Hospitals, not-for profits get big money from Corporations. With every layer, there seems to be corporate entanglement that is global.
(OH, a new buzz word --Corporate Enganglement, not be confused with Quantum Entanglement).
It's a complex issue --
It is complex, but campaign finance reform would go a long way to fixing part of the problem.
If there were better regulations in place and a more fair tax code, these corporations wouldn't have so much influence.
I am not against big corporations and big business, I just dont want them writing our laws.
174 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:25:05am |
re: #171 darthstar
Have fun you America-hating-nothing better to do-anti-zionist-zionist-organic food eating Satan worshipper.
You forgot a comment about his mother.
/:0
175 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:25:27am |
re: #171 darthstar
Have fun you America-hating-nothing better to do-anti-zionist-zionist-organic food eating Satan worshipper.
Oh ,, and while you're there, can you get me a T-Shirt!!
/
176 | darthstar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:26:13am |
Mornin' everyone...had a nice walk with my dad and niece and four dogs...getting ready to go see my nephew's inline-skating hockey game. That means I won't have time to stick around and talk about how wrong everyone else is.
Have a good day!
177 | darthstar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:26:27am |
178 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:26:36am |
re: #173 blueraven
It is complex, but campaign finance reform would go a long way to fixing part of the problem.
If there were better regulations in place and a more fair tax code, these corporations wouldn't have so much influence.
I am not against big corporations and big business, I just dont want them writing our laws.
I think a lot of good has come of the utilization of the corporate structure and it's not going away.
It's so difficult to understand how to make change that doesn't have negative effects somewhere in the entanglement.
180 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:29:01am |
re: #153 iceweasel
Oh boy. I'm talking to a dear friend and just finding out she believes in psychics.
Has she spoken to Telepsychic Ray?
181 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:29:31am |
If only citizens could contribute to campaigns, not corporations or PAC's it would make a big difference AND make politicians spend their own money. Having vested interest is, IMHO, a good thing.
Perhaps it would less the election bullshit as well, campaigns might cost less if they didn't have to woo corporate interests.
182 | allegro Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:30:29am |
My very first page! I am no longer a Pages virgin.
183 | blueraven Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:31:04am |
re: #178 ggt
I think a lot of good has come of the utilization of the corporate structure and it's not going away.
It's so difficult to understand how to make change that doesn't have negative effects somewhere in the entanglement.
True...but what we have in place now, is not working for the majority of us.
Change will have to be thoughtful and debated by both parties without big money interests determining the outcome. That is impossible in the current environment.
184 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:32:04am |
185 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:32:04am |
re: #182 allegro
My very first page! I am no longer a Pages virgin.
Aw, you broke your cherry!
cheers
186 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:32:42am |
re: #183 blueraven
True...but what we have in place now, is not working for the majority of us.
Change will have to be thoughtful and debated by both parties without big money interests determining the outcome. That is impossible in the current environment.
AHAHAHAHAHa!
Thoughtful discourse --in Congress? When has that ever happened?
187 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:33:15am |
re: #186 ggt
AHAHAHAHAHa!
Thoughtful discourse --in Congress? When has that ever happened?
Many, many moons ago.
188 | blueraven Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:33:48am |
re: #186 ggt
AHAHAHAHAHa!
Thoughtful discourse --in Congress? When has that ever happened?
Not for the past 25-30 years for sure!
189 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:42:24am |
anybody else hate the feds yet?....nice mess, eh?
191 | blueraven Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:48:04am |
192 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:50:20am |
193 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:50:36am |
re: #191 blueraven
QFT
We allowed all of this to happen.
Voter apathy
iirc, less than 50% of eligible voters are registered and only around 50% of those vote!
Also ,,, there's the whole "THROW ALL OF THEM OUT (except my guy)" attitude
194 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:50:54am |
195 | kirkspencer Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:55:43am |
re: #181 ggt
If only citizens could contribute to campaigns, not corporations or PAC's it would make a big difference AND make politicians spend their own money. Having vested interest is, IMHO, a good thing.
Perhaps it would less the election bullshit as well, campaigns might cost less if they didn't have to woo corporate interests.
re: #193 sattv4u2
Voter apathy
iirc, less than 50% of eligible voters are registered and only around 50% of those vote!
Also ,,, there's the whole "THROW ALL OF THEM OUT (except my guy)" attitude
This.
If Teddy Kennedy had run in Georgia he'd never have won. Likewise, Strom Thurmond in Massachusetts would be a non-starter. "My Guy" won because he or she is generally in sync with the public that elected him/her.
Most of the "throw the bums out" talk hovers over the people who were elected by groups NOT like the locals.
Democracy, even representative democracy, means putting up with the voices of those idiots over there, too. /
196 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:55:49am |
re: #184 NJDhockeyfan
Watch your step!
There's the OWS movement
This guy is part of the BOWEL Movement
197 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:56:19am |
re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm ambivalent right now about the whole Occupy movement, but the absolute hostility that the Right is showing to them, after years of playing up the "home grown, grassroots" Tea Party, is absolutely hilarious.
I'm still skeptical because of the lack of transparency and the bandwagonism. I spent some time going through a lot of the Occupy copycat sites and if we weren't operating in a Citizen's United world, and I knew a lot less about the way ANSWER operates, I might be more enthusiastic.
As for the stupid concern trolling and fill-in-the blank-baiting, who has time for it except to laugh at that bullshit.
That said; I've intended to go and document since earlier in the week, sched hasn't allowed. I'm going to see what's happening after class today.
198 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:56:35am |
re: #153 iceweasel
Oh boy. I'm talking to a dear friend and just finding out she believes in psychics.
Palmdale Psychic Accused Of ‘Theft By Hex’
[Link: losangeles.cbslocal.com...]
Heh.
199 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:56:50am |
re: #195 kirkspencer
If Teddy Kennedy had run in Georgia he'd never have won
Really?
Then how do explain Jimmy Carter?
200 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:58:21am |
201 | blueraven Sat, Oct 8, 2011 9:58:35am |
re: #193 sattv4u2
Voter apathy
iirc, less than 50% of eligible voters are registered and only around 50% of those vote!
Also ,,, there's the whole "THROW ALL OF THEM OUT (except my guy)" attitude
That is part of it for sure. But we act like sheeple when the Supreme Court decides to let big corporations have even more influence over our government. We allow political action superpacs and C4 dummy corporations to anonymously contribute to those superpacs.
It is legalized money laundering.
202 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:01:32am |
re: #199 sattv4u2
If Teddy Kennedy had run in Georgia he'd never have wonReally?
Then how do explain Jimmy Carter?
It is an ongoing myth that Jimmy Carter was some sort of liberal president. He was a political moderate and a social conservative. Why do you think Teddy Kennedy ran against him?
203 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:06:51am |
re: #202 ralphieboy
It is an ongoing myth that Jimmy Carter was some sort of liberal. He was a political moderate and a social conservative. Why do you think Teddy Kennedy ran against him?
It was more Kennedys long desire to be President (and thinking he could seize on Carters weakness after 4 years) than any huge split in policy
AND ,,,, Muskie was a more serious threat to Carter entering the summer prior to the convention
Again, it was more "we need someone OTHER than Carter" than anything else
204 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:07:54am |
re: #200 Killgore Trout
Lovely.
/
They are shitting on police cars just like the Tea Party people did!
//
205 | BishopX Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:09:38am |
re: #184 NJDhockeyfan
Watch your step!
It looks like most of the "trash" the dailyfail is showing is just camping stuff stored during the day...
206 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:09:52am |
re: #204 NJDhockeyfan
They are shitting on police cars just like the Tea Party people did!
//
TAKE A DUMP FOR DEMOCRACY!
207 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:10:20am |
209 | Lidane Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:10:59am |
re: #187 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Many, many moons ago.
Was that before or after they'd settle their differences with pistols at dawn?
///
210 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:11:04am |
Occupy Wall Street Protester in East German Military Uniform Calls for 'Class Warfare'
Heh.
212 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:12:31am |
re: #205 BishopX
It looks like most of the "trash" the dailyfail is showing is just camping stuff stored during the day...
Really?
2nd and 6th photos down??
NOTE TO SELF ,, never go camping with Bishop!!
213 | Lidane Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:12:34am |
re: #204 NJDhockeyfan
Nah. Once the astroturfers and Faux News got involved, the Tea Party just shit all over the Constitution.
214 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:13:07am |
215 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:13:17am |
re: #205 BishopX
It looks like most of the "trash" the dailyfail is showing is just camping stuff stored during the day...
If they are sleeping in within those nasty trash bags I bet the stench is incredible out there.
216 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:15:08am |
re: #205 BishopX
It looks like most of the "trash" the dailyfail is showing is just camping stuff stored during the day...
"It's only one Marxists pooping on a police car out of thousands of mrxists not pooing on police cars!"
/Moonbat
217 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:15:36am |
218 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:16:14am |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
"It's only one Marxists pooping on a police car out of thousands of mrxists not pooing on police cars!"
/Moonbat
Free speech!
219 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:16:59am |
I really gotta go but damn this is funny as shit.
(no pun intended)
220 | jaunte Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:17:53am |
According to eye witnesses, when people ran to tell nearby police about the man defecating on the squad car they were ignored.
"I'm not listening to any more of your shit."
221 | BishopX Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:18:51am |
re: #212 sattv4u2
Really?
2nd and 6th photos down??
NOTE TO SELF ,, never go camping with Bishop!!
2nd photo is trash. 3rd photo is people's stuff during the day (note the sleeping person). 6th photo appears to be largely comprised of tarps, possibly stockpiled in case of rain.
Those are the only photo of "trash" or "rubish". One is clearly trash, one is peoples personal belongings and one is a stack of tarps. Seems fine to me.
223 | jaunte Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:19:25am |
Good piece by Ezra Klein at WaPo:
Financial crisis and stimulus: Could this time be different?
Growth-focused and debt-focused strategies are attempts to end the recession. They’re policy on the offensive. But perhaps the real lesson from Rogoff and Reinhart is that these recessions rarely end quickly, and so officials must manage a long period of pain — defensive policy, so to speak. America doesn’t do defense very well.
“We’re trying right now to keep our lifestyles going,” says Michael Spence, a Nobel Prize-winning economist at New York University. “It’s not really working, but the way we’re doing it is putting all the burden on the unemployed while trying to leave the employed untouched. Eventually, this is going to require a redistribution of that burden.”
224 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:20:12am |
re: #205 BishopX
It looks like most of the "trash" the dailyfail is showing is just camping stuff stored during the day...
I saw one picture of trash, and two of camping gear. Although, really, get some twine or something, people. Roll your sleeping bags up.
225 | BishopX Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:21:03am |
re: #224 EmmmieG
I saw one picture of trash, and two of camping gear. Although, really, get some twine or something, people. Roll your sleeping bags up.
Hard to roll the bag up when there's someone in it! Trust me, I've tried!
226 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:22:04am |
re: #204 NJDhockeyfan
They are shitting on police cars just like the Tea Party people did!
//
Well, at least that guy has grey hair, so his trust fund probably dried out and he can intermingle with the Teabaggers.
227 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:22:31am |
re: #225 BishopX
Hard to roll the bag up when there's someone in it! Trust me, I've tried!
I clearly saw some just lying around open. Really bad idea, especially with New York's pigeon population.
228 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:22:39am |
More antisemitism in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street....
Image: 6223435728_1915af4eff_b.jpg
229 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:22:42am |
re: #221 BishopX
2nd photo is trash. 3rd photo is people's stuff during the day (note the sleeping person). 6th photo appears to be largely comprised of tarps, possibly stockpiled in case of rain.
Those are the only photo of "trash" or "rubish". One is clearly trash, one is peoples personal belongings and one is a stack of tarps. Seems fine to me.
I didn't say anything about #3
As to #6, it would be interesting to see how much of that stuff is left behind when this is over ( the boxes ,, the signs ,, the empty plastic bottles)
230 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:22:51am |
Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told The Daily Caller that he guarantees President Barack Obama’s $447 billion jobs plan will lower the nation’s 9.1 percent unemployment rate if it becomes law.
joke of the day
Read more: [Link: dailycaller.com...]
231 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:23:54am |
re: #229 sattv4u2
I didn't say anything about #3
As to #6, it would be interesting to see how much of that stuff is left behind when this is over ( the boxes ,, the signs ,, the empty plastic bottles)
My guess is that New York City is on the hook for tens of thousands worth of clean up.
232 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:24:01am |
re: #228 Killgore Trout
More antisemitism in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street...
Image: 6223435728_1915af4eff_b.jpg
another one
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
233 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:24:45am |
re: #221 BishopX
2nd photo is trash. 3rd photo is people's stuff during the day (note the sleeping person). 6th photo appears to be largely comprised of tarps, possibly stockpiled in case of rain.
Those are the only photo of "trash" or "rubish". One is clearly trash, one is peoples personal belongings and one is a stack of tarps. Seems fine to me.
AND , I doubt it's been the photographers mission (so far) to even take pictures of piles of trash
Looks like they are focusing on the protesters, not their rubbish
234 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:25:08am |
re: #210 NJDhockeyfan
Apropos: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
235 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:25:26am |
re: #231 EmmmieG
My guess is that New York City is on the hook for tens of thousands worth of clean up.
Watch the garbage men go on strike the day after the protest ends!!!
236 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:26:05am |
237 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:27:19am |
re: #210 NJDhockeyfan
Occupy Wall Street Protester in East German Military Uniform Calls for 'Class Warfare'
[Video]Heh.
Typical totalitarianism baiting, too. Hate that shit here in Germany. People never cleaned up after the Nazis they were themselves for 50 years, then the wall comes down and it's cleansing of the Reds all of a sudden.
"Would you wear a Nazi uniform?"
"Would you wear a Soviet uniform?"
Then the guy points out that the latter won WWII. Ooops, U.S. Allies?
*headdesk*
238 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:28:19am |
re: #231 EmmmieG
My guess is that New York City is on the hook for tens of thousands worth of clean up.
2 million so far for police OT.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
240 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:30:07am |
“When a reporter asked me the other day, well, what do you think about those demonstrations up on Wall Street, I said, first of all, Wall Street didn’t write these failed economic policies -- the White House did,” said Cain.
He then added, “Why don’t you move the demonstrations to the White House?”
good question, Herm
[Link: cnsnews.com...]
242 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:32:04am |
re: #241 Lidane
LOL CNS News. That's Brent Bozell's site:
[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]
Does that mean Cain DIDN'T say that??
243 | allegro Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:32:24am |
Wall Street: "Yeah, Congress and the White House LET US rape the world economy so it's THEIR fault!"
244 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:32:59am |
re: #240 albusteve
“When a reporter asked me the other day, well, what do you think about those demonstrations up on Wall Street, I said, first of all, Wall Street didn’t write these failed economic policies -- the White House did,” said Cain.
He then added, “Why don’t you move the demonstrations to the White House?”good question, Herm
[Link: cnsnews.com...]
Where would people be demonstrating right now if the White House had not bailed out Wall Street?
Probably everywhere!!!
245 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:33:03am |
re: #239 Lidane
Ah, but garbage workers are union workers. More to the point, they're a public union.
I thought they weren't supposed to have any collective bargaining rights. At least that's what the GOP tells me.
Yes,, because we all know that public union workers that do have collective bargaining rights never strike,, right?
246 | allegro Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:33:12am |
re: #243 allegro
Wall Street: "Yeah, Congress and the White House LET US rape the world economy so it's THEIR fault!"
... and we're over regulated and over taxed too!
247 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:33:38am |
re: #240 albusteve
“When a reporter asked me the other day, well, what do you think about those demonstrations up on Wall Street, I said, first of all, Wall Street didn’t write these failed economic policies -- the White House did,” said Cain.
He then added, “Why don’t you move the demonstrations to the White House?”good question, Herm
[Link: cnsnews.com...]
Wow, the current administration is responsible for 30 years of failed Republican policies? Well, don't that beat all? *rolls eyes*
248 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:33:39am |
re: #246 allegro
... and we're over regulated and over taxed too!
Maybe you just need more fiber in your diet!
/
249 | jaunte Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:34:00am |
re: #240 albusteve
Is Cain arguing that the stimulus was too small?
250 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:34:06am |
NEW YORK -- Mayor Michael Bloomberg on Friday accused the Wall Street demonstrators of trying to cripple New York City's economy.
"What they're trying to do is take the jobs away from people working in this city," the mayor declared in his harshest criticism of the three-week-old protest that has caught the attention of the nation.
"They're trying to take away the tax base we have because none of this is good for tourism."
Read more: [Link: www.myfoxny.com...]
251 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:34:40am |
re: #247 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Wow, the current administration is responsible for 30 years of failed Republican policies? Well, don't that beat all? *rolls eyes*
Republicans have been in charge since 1981?
I did not know that!
252 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:34:50am |
re: #228 Killgore Trout
More antisemitism in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street...
Image: 6223435728_1915af4eff_b.jpg
I don't see any of their vile antisemitism at OWS. Are you saying that they showing their name is enough to call it antisemitism at OWS?
253 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:35:13am |
re: #249 jaunte
Is Cain arguing that the stimulus was too small?
Cain's doing what so many on the Right are doing: Trying to make excuses for Wall Street, at least when they're not gettin' the vapors over the "anti-American" OWS.
254 | blueraven Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:36:19am |
re: #240 albusteve
“When a reporter asked me the other day, well, what do you think about those demonstrations up on Wall Street, I said, first of all, Wall Street didn’t write these failed economic policies -- the White House did,” said Cain.
He then added, “Why don’t you move the demonstrations to the White House?”good question, Herm
[Link: cnsnews.com...]
No, the white house did not write these policies. They have been written by congress over the years. And the failed policies came way before this President and this white house.
Herman Cain needs to get a clue.
255 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:36:53am |
re: #251 sattv4u2
Republicans have been in charge since 1981?
I did not know that!
Well true, there was that 8-year blip in the 90s, but I've been assured that the White House did nothing during those years to help the economy, it was all the Dot.Com Boom.
/
256 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:36:55am |
re: #250 Cannadian Club Akbar
NEW YORK -- Mayor Michael Bloomberg on Friday accused the Wall Street demonstrators of trying to cripple New York City's economy.
Funny, that's what Mubarak said about Tahrir.
257 | jaunte Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:37:37am |
“The argument that the stimulus had zero impact and we shouldn’t have done it is intellectually dishonest or wrong,” he says. “If you throw a trillion dollars at the economy, it has an impact. I would have preferred to do it differently, but they needed to do something.”
-- Douglas Holtz-Eakin
258 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:37:39am |
re: #241 Lidane
LOL CNS News. That's Brent Bozell's site:
[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]
big whoop, eh?
259 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:38:18am |
I don't get it. Cain and others had no problem criticizing the government but now they're bending over backwards to defend Wall Street. I said it last night. Protesting the government and Wall Street are two sides of the same coin. And Cain again acts like all the economic problems are the present White House's fault which is intellectually dishonest. I am not a big fan of the OWS crowd but acting like people should protest the government and not Wall Street like many right wing commentators are doing is showing them to be tools.
260 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:38:40am |
re: #247 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Wow, the current administration is responsible for 30 years of failed Republican policies? Well, don't that beat all? *rolls eyes*
I didn't read that part....could you point it out?
261 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:38:44am |
262 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:39:14am |
re: #255 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It was Clinton who oversaw the repeal of Glass-Steagal, which set the stage for the crash some years later.
263 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:39:22am |
re: #255 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well true, there was that 8-year blip in the 90s, but I've been assured that the White House did nothing during those years to help the economy, it was all the Dot.Com Boom.
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Or Gingrich and the Republicans in the House. All good is thanks to Republicans, all bad is thanks to Democrats in bizzaro Cain world. It's not that simple. Both parties are guilty in some way to the situation now.
264 | Kronocide Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:40:22am |
re: #258 albusteve
big whoop, eh?
CNS News is a cesspool of right wing agit prop. I get their feed on Facebook, it's a daily hurr durr derp.
265 | SpaceJesus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:41:25am |
Just got back from an "occupy Albuquerque" event on campus. This movement has the right idea, but needs to make it clear to the Ron Paul types and the retired hippies (who no longer have much of a stake in the economy or jobs at all) who want to relive the 60s that they are not welcome.
266 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:42:09am |
re: #259 HappyWarrior
I don't get it. Cain and others had no problem criticizing the government but now they're bending over backwards to defend Wall Street. I said it last night. Protesting the government and Wall Street are two sides of the same coin. And Cain again acts like all the economic problems are the present White House's fault which is intellectually dishonest. I am not a big fan of the OWS crowd but acting like people should protest the government and not Wall Street like many right wing commentators are doing is showing them to be tools.
ridiculous...WS just does what it's allowed to do....they are out of control because congress likes the money too....taking the fight to the source does not defend WS in any way
267 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:42:21am |
And maybe Herman isn't following the news but they are protesting near the White House. I was in D.C Thursday night very near the White House and could hear the protest..
268 | jaunte Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:42:35am |
The Long Demise of Glass-Steagall
A chronology tracing the life of the Glass-Steagall Act, from its passage in 1933 to its death throes in the 1990s, and how Citigroup's Sandy Weill dealt the coup de grâce.
269 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:43:40am |
re: #260 albusteve
I didn't read that part...could you point it out?
Just as soon as we can figure out which "failed policies" he's talking about. The current .1%/99.9% wealth distribution disparity and economic downturn are not the sole result of policies put into place in the last 3 years.
270 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:44:00am |
re: #266 albusteve
ridiculous...WS just does what it's allowed to do...they are out of control because congress likes the money too...taking the fight to the source does not defend WS in any way
They're two sides of the same coin. How can you bitch about the government and at the same time give Wall Street a pass which is exactly what Cain and others on the right are doing? And they are people protesting in D.C too as I said.
271 | kirkspencer Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:44:04am |
re: #199 sattv4u2
If Teddy Kennedy had run in Georgia he'd never have wonReally?
Then how do explain Jimmy Carter?
Fortunately we can examine exactly this question. In 1980, Carter vs Kennedy in the presidential primaries. Carter blew Kennedy away.
In 1976, Carter lost the primary in Massachusetts.
272 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:44:04am |
re: #265 SpaceJesus
Just got back from an "occupy Albuquerque" event on campus. This movement has the right idea, but needs to make it clear to the Ron Paul types and the retired hippies (who no longer have much of a stake in the economy or jobs at all) who want to relive the 60s that they are not welcome.
And the anti-zionists in the anti-imperialist loon camp.
I would leave the hippies alone, though. They are not hurting anybody and they have a lot of experience regarding protest movements, usually.
273 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:44:18am |
re: #265 SpaceJesus
Just got back from an "occupy Albuquerque" event on campus. This movement has the right idea, but needs to make it clear to the Ron Paul types and the retired hippies (who no longer have much of a stake in the economy or jobs at all) who want to relive the 60s that they are not welcome.
Wrong, you ageist.
274 | blueraven Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:45:46am |
re: #260 albusteve
I didn't read that part...could you point it out?
What would be the point of protesting the White House, if Cain is not implying that this President is responsible?
And Actually Herman Cain is dead wrong...Wall Street did write these policies. Their lobbyist are the defacto congress.
275 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:46:59am |
re: #255 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well true, there was that 8-year blip in the 90s, but I've been assured that the White House did nothing during those years to help the economy, it was all the Dot.Com Boom.
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I see
So both houses of congress plus the Presidency (not to mention the Supreme Court) fof 22 out of the last 30 years
And here I thought there were people like Tip O'Neill, Jim Wright, Tom Foley and Nancy pelosi involved
Perhaps you missed an earlier post I had
A POX ON BOTH THEIR HOUSES
276 | jaunte Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:47:05am |
re: #274 blueraven
From that Glass-Steagal timeline:
Just days after the administration (including the Treasury Department) agrees to support the repeal, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, the former co-chairman of a major Wall Street investment bank, Goldman Sachs, raises eyebrows by accepting a top job at Citigroup as Weill's chief lieutenant. The previous year, Weill had called Secretary Rubin to give him advance notice of the upcoming merger announcement. When Weill told Rubin he had some important news, the secretary reportedly quipped, "You're buying the government?"
277 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:47:11am |
To clarify my position both Wall Street and the government are responsible for the problems. The Glass-Steagal repeal hmmm I wonder who lobbied to get that repealed. I am sorry it's just hypocritical as hell to bend over backwards to kiss Wall Street's ass while at the same time acting like it's only the government that is responsible for these problems. They both are. Cain is showing himself to be nothing but a corporate shill.
278 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:47:27am |
re: #262 ralphieboy
It was Clinton who oversaw the repeal of Glass-Steagal, which set the stage for the crash some years later.
As jaunte's post points out, Glass-Steagal was in the process of having its teeth yanked out long before Clinton took office, effectively becoming pointless 2 years before ink was ever put to the Banking Modernization Act that repealed it.
279 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:48:31am |
re: #277 HappyWarrior
Cain is showing himself to be nothing but a corporate shill.
Please! The proper term is
businessman!
280 | Kronocide Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:49:06am |
re: #268 jaunte
Following the Great Crash of 1929, one of every five banks in America fails. Many people, especially politicians, see market speculation engaged in by banks during the 1920s as a cause of the crash.
281 | SpaceJesus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:49:14am |
re: #273 wrenchwench
Pffft, tell me how much student debt the average former 60's hippie has.
[Link: www.wsws.org...]
282 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:49:36am |
re: #270 HappyWarrior
They're two sides of the same coin. How can you bitch about the government and at the same time give Wall Street a pass which is exactly what Cain and others on the right are doing? And they are people protesting in D.C too as I said.
I don't reads it that way, even if secretly that's what he meant...WS is simply an extension if federal law, regulation and policy....where do you suppose change will come from?....pretty simple....it doesn't matter who says it, or the source, it's true
283 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:50:07am |
I'll be breif. Killgore and a few others are mischarcterizing and misleading people on the gist of the OWS demonstrations. Primarily, he and others are focusing on the negative aspects of these demonstrations and making no mention of the positive aspects -- let alone completely ignoring the root cause of these demonstrations.
And with regards to the one sided "reporting" from Killgore trying to charecterize OWS as being antisemetic I submit the following:
A) Yom Kippur Service Taking Place At Occupy Wall Street
Update, 10/7/11, 11:21 p.m.: Several hundred people showed up in front of downtown New York's Brown Brothers Harriman building for a candlelit, social justice-oriented Kol Nidre service Friday night. They included men and women in white prayer shawls, participants in street wear and non-Jewish onlookers. Leaders of the service prayed for the eradication of racism, classism and discrimination against gays and lesbians, among other causes. As with the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations, no microphones were used and readings and songs were echoed throughout the crowd as dozens of police officers watched. So far, no incidents have been reported. Several attendees said they planned to cross the street to Zuccotti Park to spend the night with Occupy Wall Street demonstrators, as observant Jews do not use cars or the subway on Yom Kippur. Check out a slideshow of the service below.
B) [Link: www.daylife.com...]
Protesters taking part in the Occupy Philadelphia demonstration, participate in a Yom Kippur service in the lower concourse of Dillworth Plaza at City Hall in Philadelphia, Friday Oct. 7, 2011. Organizers of the demonstration, which is in it's second day, say the protest is meant to be a stand against corporate greed.
C) [Link: yfrog.com...]
#OccupyYomKippur last night, from where I stood.
Much more could be said but I will not sit idly by and watch he and others spread this kind of misinformation -- or perhaps highly cherry picked -- and biased characterization without my rebuke.
284 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:50:37am |
re: #281 SpaceJesus
Pffft, tell me how much student debt the average former 60's hippie has.
[Link: www.wsws.org...]
Well , there IS the constant upkeep for paint on transportation!!
[Link: www.google.com...]
Better Call MAACO!!
285 | SpaceJesus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:51:34am |
re: #272 000G
The old retired hippies make us look like a joke.
286 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:52:00am |
re: #280 BigPapa
Following the Great Crash of 1929, one of every five banks in America fails. Many people, especially politicians, see market speculation engaged in by banks during the 1920s as a cause of the crash.
That's empty phrases, though. All stock trading is "market speculation", nevermind if undertaken by investment banks or anyone else.
287 | SpaceJesus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:52:40am |
drum circles and positive spirit energy aren't going to help one bit
288 | Lidane Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:53:00am |
re: #265 SpaceJesus
Just got back from an "occupy Albuquerque" event on campus. This movement has the right idea, but needs to make it clear to the Ron Paul types and the retired hippies (who no longer have much of a stake in the economy or jobs at all) who want to relive the 60s that they are not welcome.
I would argue that the retired hippies are the biggest drain on the system, given that they're all baby boomers and they're nearly all collecting on Social Security and Medicare.
289 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:53:02am |
Show me the money!!!
Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012
[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]
290 | recusancy Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:53:31am |
re: #282 albusteve
I don't reads it that way, even if secretly that's what he meant...WS is simply an extension if federal law, regulation and policy...where do you suppose change will come from?...pretty simple...it doesn't matter who says it, or the source, it's true
So you are for re-instituting Glass Steagall? You're for increased regulation? That's the reason we are where we are. The policies that are in place are there because the country became conservative and deregulated business the last 30 years.
292 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:54:17am |
re: #286 000G
That's empty phrases, though. All stock trading is "market speculation", nevermind if undertaken by investment banks or anyone else.
Markets are supposed to function for the benefit of all, not just the speculators. that is what Adam Smith tells us in his "Wealth of Nations".
A well-regulated market is (just like a well-regulated militia), necessary for the preservation of a free government.
We have become such Free Market ideologists that we have come to put markets above the people.
293 | HappyWarrior Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:54:45am |
re: #282 albusteve
I don't reads it that way, even if secretly that's what he meant...WS is simply an extension if federal law, regulation and policy...where do you suppose change will come from?...pretty simple...it doesn't matter who says it, or the source, it's true
True but Cain is implying that the economic problems are the White House's fault and White House's fault only which is crap since there were shitty policies being implemented before Barack Obama even entered the Senate, e.g. the Glass Steagal repeal mentioned. YCain can't as I said bitch about the government's actions and then act like Wall Street should shoulder zero blame for the policies especially when many of their people are in government or lobbyists.
294 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:54:56am |
re: #285 SpaceJesus
The old retired hippies make us look like a joke.
Joke for whom and how? For Fox News as part of their never-ending cold war quest?
Better a joke to them than a shame to humanity. Kick out the anti-zionists first, then there's still enough to worry about before you get to the ageing hippies.
295 | recusancy Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:55:05am |
re: #287 SpaceJesus
drum circles and positive spirit energy aren't going to help one bit
But hoola hoops are instruments for positive change!
296 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:55:16am |
297 | Lidane Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:55:20am |
re: #247 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Wow, the current administration is responsible for 30 years of failed Republican policies? Well, don't that beat all? *rolls eyes*
It's amazing what electing a black POTUS can accomplish, eh? Suddenly the guy is responsible for every Republican policy failure since Reagan.
Gotta love it.
298 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:56:04am |
re: #281 SpaceJesus
Pffft, tell me how much student debt the average former 60's hippie has.
[Link: www.wsws.org...]
That's your measure of "much stake in the economy"? Pretty narrow-minded.
And I happen to live with a "retired hippie" who has student loan debt (because he did not have the opportunity to attend college until he was in his 60's [not the 1960's].
Punk. [Oh, wait. That was the 70's.]
299 | Kronocide Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:56:34am |
re: #286 000G
That's empty phrases, though. All stock trading is "market speculation", nevermind if undertaken by investment banks or anyone else.
Said in a vacuum maybe it is hollow. Later in the post:
For many critics, it boiled down to the issue of two different cultures - a culture of risk which was the securities business, and a culture of protection of deposits which was the culture of banking.
The issue is not speculation or trading, but the mixing of mindset/cultures is cause for concern.
300 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:56:36am |
re: #283 Gus 802
Welcome Back
(heard you were taking a sabbatical ,, didn't see what precipitated it,, but glad you decided not too)
301 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:56:49am |
re: #290 recusancy
So you are for re-instituting Glass Steagall? You're for increased regulation? That's the reason we are where we are. The policies that are in place are there because the country became conservative and deregulated business the last 30 years.
beats me, whatever it takes....I'm no economist
I'm not defending WS, or Cain or anybody else...only congress can fix the problem they themselves have created
304 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:58:05am |
re: #293 HappyWarrior
True but Cain is implying that the economic problems are the White House's fault and White House's fault only which is crap since there were shitty policies being implemented before Barack Obama even entered the Senate, e.g. the Glass Steagal repeal mentioned. YCain can't as I said bitch about the government's actions and then act like Wall Street should shoulder zero blame for the policies especially when many of their people are in government or lobbyists.
yeah...I just use DC to make my point, that's where the feds are
305 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:58:17am |
re: #300 sattv4u2
Welcome Back
(heard you were taking a sabbatical ,, didn't see what precipitated it,, but glad you decided not too)
I don't want to bring that up again. But, I was thinking and perhaps I need to take a deeper breath sometimes and then fire away with a counter argument rather than getting steamed and storming off.
306 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 10:59:38am |
re: #305 Gus 802
I don't want to bring that up again. But, I was thinking and perhaps I need to take a deeper breath sometimes and then fire away with a counter argument rather than getting steamed and storming off.
Good plan
ALL of us should take that advice
307 | webevintage Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:00:11am |
I think the drum circles are silly and would like the anarchists to go away, but these occupy protests look so much more like America then any Tea Party gathering. Young, old, black, white and all colors in between. Middle class retirees coming out....that is a very good thing whether they are old hippies or not. I'm glad the unions have joined in since their members are the working middle class.
(it would be nice if the anti-Israel folks would move on too, but these are public events.)
308 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:00:57am |
re: #275 sattv4u2
I see
So both houses of congress plus the Presidency (not to mention the Supreme Court) fof 22 out of the last 30 years
And here I thought there were people like Tip O'Neill, Jim Wright, Tom Foley and Nancy pelosi involved
Perhaps you missed an earlier post I had
A POX ON BOTH THEIR HOUSES
If a pox should fall on anyone, it is "We, the People." Politicians don't elect or reelect themselves.
309 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:01:08am |
re: #306 sattv4u2
Good plan
ALL of us should take that advice
Yeah. Well, at least it prevented me from having a total freak out and saying things that would have gotten me banned. So in a way it was a rather extreme way of "taking a deep breath."
310 | blueraven Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:01:49am |
re: #288 Lidane
I would argue that the retired hippies are the biggest drain on the system, given that they're all baby boomers and they're nearly all collecting on Social Security and Medicare.
WTF? They paid in and now they are collecting. Thats how the system works. Not all 60 year olds are aging hippies, and so what if they are?
I think we have a few older posters here that could teach the young ones a thing or two.
311 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:02:04am |
re: #275 sattv4u2
It is not about solving problems, it is about affixing blame...
312 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:02:27am |
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313 | blueraven Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:02:54am |
314 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:03:08am |
Anyway. I got really depressed after I did that. Weak at the knees depression. I was kind of bummed already and I thought it would make me feel better but instead doing what I did made me feel worse.
315 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:04:13am |
316 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:04:25am |
re: #314 Gus 802
Anyway. I got really depressed after I did that. Weak at the knees depression. I was kind of bummed already and I thought it would make me feel better but instead doing what I did made me feel worse.
{{{{GUS}}}}
((manly, of course))
(((NTTAWWT!!)))
317 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:04:27am |
re: #308 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If a pox should fall on anyone, it is "We, the People." Politicians don't elect or reelect themselves.
I think it's a bit much to ask voters to understand economics at this level, SEC rules and banking laws...some faith in leadership is normal
318 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:04:52am |
re: #288 Lidane
I would argue that the retired hippies are the biggest drain on the system, given that they're all baby boomers and they're nearly all collecting on Social Security and Medicare.
Many of them saw their planned retirement income wiped out in the financial crisis and/or the housing crash and couldn't retire, or had to (try to) unretire. Try finding a job when you're over 60. Even less fun than you're having now.
319 | blueraven Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:04:57am |
re: #314 Gus 802
Anyway. I got really depressed after I did that. Weak at the knees depression. I was kind of bummed already and I thought it would make me feel better but instead doing what I did made me feel worse.
Sometimes we are our own worst enemy. I've done similar to make myself miserable!
320 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:04:59am |
321 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:05:06am |
re: #299 BigPapa
Said in a vacuum maybe it is hollow. Later in the post:
For many critics, it boiled down to the issue of two different cultures - a culture of risk which was the securities business, and a culture of protection of deposits which was the culture of banking.
The issue is not speculation or trading, but the mixing of mindset/cultures is cause for concern.
Even that, the merger of investment and deposit banking, is not at the heart of the issue, although I will grant that the leverage thus created is the cause for the magnitude of the problem. Sure, it ruined a lot of people. But until the market went down under, it helped a lot of people build up much higher savings and getting loans they otherwise could not have gotten.
No, the underlying issue is fraud. Outright fraud. Selling shit as gold. It has a lot to do with confusing assets and obligations and not understanding how you account for either category differently depending on whether you are a borrower or a lender.
322 | Lidane Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:05:30am |
re: #310 blueraven
WTF? They paid in and now they are collecting. Thats how the system works. Not all 60 year olds are aging hippies, and so what if they are?
I think we have a few older posters here that could teach the young ones a thing or two.
The point is, the baby boomers have massive numbers. Those folks are now retiring and collecting Social Security and Medicare. Just based on the sheer numbers alone, they're collecting a metric ton of money.
It's no wonder both systems are straining under the weight of it all. There's simply a massive number of people cashing in.
323 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:06:35am |
re: #314 Gus 802
Anyway. I got really depressed after I did that. Weak at the knees depression. I was kind of bummed already and I thought it would make me feel better but instead doing what I did made me feel worse.
{{Gus}}
324 | webevintage Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:07:09am |
re: #318 wrenchwench
Many of them saw their planned retirement income wiped out in the financial crisis and/or the housing crash and couldn't retire, or had to (try to) unretire. Try finding a job when you're over 60. Even less fun than you're having now.
Hey now, Herman C. has said that if you are poor or unemployed then it is your own damn fault doncha' know. I mean every one knows they can get a job at WalMart as a greeter. Bunch of slackers.
/
325 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:07:27am |
re: #322 Lidane
It's no wonder both systems are straining under the weight of it all. There's simply a massive number of people cashing in.
You see, if we were "running the country like a business", we would drop these bad assets to clean up our books.
326 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:08:01am |
327 | jaunte Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:08:26am |
re: #324 webevintage
There are a lot of chicken processing jobs opening up in Alabama, now that they're focused on sending their illegal immigrants to other states.
328 | Lidane Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:08:35am |
re: #318 wrenchwench
Many of them saw their planned retirement income wiped out in the financial crisis and/or the housing crash and couldn't retire, or had to (try to) unretire. Try finding a job when you're over 60. Even less fun than you're having now.
Which is why a lot of them are now out in the streets, either with the Tea Party or the OWS movement.
Sure, it makes for provocative headlines to show some anarchist douchebag taking a shit on a cop car, but all that does is ignore the larger issues at play here. There are entirely valid reasons for the OWS movement right now.
329 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:08:44am |
re: #314 Gus 802
Anyway. I got really depressed after I did that. Weak at the knees depression. I was kind of bummed already and I thought it would make me feel better but instead doing what I did made me feel worse.
howdy....there is danger in taking the net too seriously, you did the right thing
330 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:08:45am |
re: #324 webevintage
Hey now, Herman C. has said that if you are poor or unemployed then it is your own damn fault doncha' know. I mean every one knows they can get a job at WalMart as a greeter. Bunch of slackers.
/
Dick Cheney as a Wal Mart greeter.
331 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:09:01am |
re: #324 webevintage
Hey now, Herman C. has said that if you are poor or unemployed then it is your own damn fault doncha' know. I mean every one knows they can get a job at WalMart as a greeter. Bunch of slackers.
/
My new jobs creation plan: More doors at WalMart! They only have one greeter at each door, so clearly more doors is the answer!
332 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:09:28am |
re: #317 albusteve
I think it's a bit much to ask voters to understand economics at this level, SEC rules and banking laws...some faith in leadership is normal
"Faith in leadership" is exactly what lead to the situation the country is in. Folks better study up on the issues. That is what a functioning democracy absolutely needs: a public that is interested in informing itself.
333 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:09:39am |
re: #329 albusteve
howdy...there is danger in taking the net too seriously, you did the right thing
Sort of. I did keep taking things too seriously though.
334 | blueraven Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:09:42am |
re: #322 Lidane
The point is, the baby boomers have massive numbers. Those folks are now retiring and collecting Social Security and Medicare. Just based on the sheer numbers alone, they're collecting a metric ton of money.
It's no wonder both systems are straining under the weight of it all. There's simply a massive number of people cashing in.
Well yes, but these people cant help what year they were born in. And it sounds like you and SJ blame them for the financial crisis.
These are people who fought in Wars and fought for labor rights, womens rights and equality for all. Lets not condemn them because of when they were born.
336 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:10:29am |
re: #328 Lidane
Which is why a lot of them are now out in the streets, either with the Tea Party or the OWS movement.
Sure, it makes for provocative headlines to show some anarchist douchebag taking a shit on a cop car, but all that does is ignore the larger issues at play here. There are entirely valid reasons for the OWS movement right now.
I can't recall one post here that claimed otherwise
337 | Kragar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:10:39am |
re: #325 ralphieboy
You see, if we were "running the country like a business", we would drop these bad assets to clean up our books.
Old age could be considered a pre-exisiting condition, better cut their services.
"I'm sorry sir, but our records say the average life expectancy is 78 years. You're 80 so obviously you're trying to cheat the system."
338 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:11:09am |
re: #317 albusteve
I think it's a bit much to ask voters to understand economics at this level, SEC rules and banking laws...some faith in leadership is normal
Faith is understandable, but not blind faith. This "Great Recession" is an excellent example of why faith should be tempered by skepticism.
339 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:11:24am |
re: #322 Lidane
The point is, the baby boomers have massive numbers. Those folks are now retiring and collecting Social Security and Medicare. Just based on the sheer numbers alone, they're collecting a metric ton of money.
It's no wonder both systems are straining under the weight of it all. There's simply a massive number of people cashing in.
It's not just a massive number of people "cashing in", it's also a lack of an equally massive number of people paying in.
340 | Kragar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:11:33am |
re: #327 jaunte
There are a lot of chicken processing jobs opening up in Alabama, now that they're focused on sending their illegal immigrants to other states.
Yeah, and if you break the law, they sentence you to going to Church for a year.
Fuck Alabama.
341 | webevintage Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:11:45am |
re: #327 jaunte
There are a lot of chicken processing jobs opening up in Alabama, now that they're focused on sending their illegal immigrants to other states.
Hey crops are rotting in the fields all over the place.
I'm sure Herman and the asses at Morning Joe (talking about you Mika) would expect the over 60's to be happy to work a long day in the fields. I mean her dad is still working at 80 and going strong.
(really, if i could have reached thought he TV while Mika and her privileged friends rattled on the other day....)
342 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:11:55am |
re: #332 000G
"Faith in leadership" is exactly what lead to the situation the country is in. Folks better study up on the issues. That is what a functioning democracy absolutely needs: a public that is interested in informing itself.
that's not going to happen tho
343 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:12:32am |
re: #325 ralphieboy
You see, if we were "running the country like a business", we would drop these bad assets to clean up our books.
Death panels?
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344 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:12:58am |
345 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:12:59am |
re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Faith is understandable, but not blind faith. This "Great Recession" is an excellent example of why faith should be tempered by skepticism.
I hate the feds....skeptical doesn't even register
348 | Lidane Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:14:14am |
re: #334 blueraven
Well yes, but these people cant help what year they were born in. And it sounds like you and SJ blame them for the financial crisis.
I'm not blaming them for the financial crisis. I'm saying there's a ton of them collecting from both SS and Medicare, so it's not a surprise that both of those systems are buckling under the weight.
The financial crisis belongs firmly on the Wall Street types. The speculators who bundled mortgages, drove up oil and gas prices, and got into that whole credit default swap Ponzi scheme. The corporate malfeasance and corruption over decades, enabled by a bunch of so-called "conservatives" extolling the virtues of less regulation and less oversight, which allowed this shit to happen.
349 | Kronocide Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:14:47am |
Glad you're back Gus. You have an important viewpoint and make this place better.
Me, I'm going to quit for a few hours and go commit capitalism.
350 | TedStriker Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:15:05am |
351 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:17:04am |
re: #345 albusteve
I hate the feds...skeptical doesn't even register
What does hate accomplish? Short of launching a new Revolution, we're stuck with this government. Better to focus our energy on reform and regulation than turning away in disgust.
352 | Kragar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:17:53am |
re: #344 000G
Why not?
Because given the option of seeing how fucked we really are, or sinking and loosing oneself in Glee, American Idol or a football game, the escapism wins 9 times out of 10
353 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:17:57am |
re: #346 albusteve
people are too lazy
That's your astute political analysis of the contemporary American people: "too lazy"?
354 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:18:43am |
re: #352 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Because given the option of seeing how fucked we really are, or sinking and loosing oneself in Glee, American Idol or a football game, the escapism wins 9 times out of 10
You win for being funnier than albusteve, but not by much.
355 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:19:19am |
re: #353 000G
That's your astute political analysis of the contemporary American people: "too lazy"?
I believe it applies to humanity in general, but in our case, even more so.
358 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:20:12am |
re: #352 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Because given the option of seeing how fucked we really are, or sinking and loosing oneself in Glee, American Idol or a football game, the escapism wins 9 times out of 10
Not to mention that watching the news has becoming increasingly pointless, as when they're not editorializing, they're treating gossip-rag fare as equally important as international incidents or natural disasters.
359 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:20:14am |
re: #351 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
What does hate accomplish? Short of launching a new Revolution, we're stuck with this government. Better to focus our energy on reform and regulation than turning away in disgust.
why hate conservatives?
why hate people?
I didn't claim it accomplishes anything...
I hate the Eagles even more
you try to read too much into it
360 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:20:20am |
re: #347 Killgore Trout
Glad to see you back.
Thanks. And sorry for saying some of the things I said. I just can't control myself sometimes.
361 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:20:49am |
9-11 truthers at infowars are finding a lot of support.....
Occupy The Fed Hits Austin Texas
362 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:21:29am |
Eh, these conservative social incompetents try to scapegoat us for every one of their own failues in every generation. I think it's one reason guilt isn't a big part of the culture. It's like pfft right, Caddilac-driving Black women are responsible for the Reagan/Bush recessions, just like teachers' unions are rsponsible for today's.
/eyeroll
re: #297 Lidane
It's amazing what electing a black POTUS can accomplish, eh? Suddenly the guy is responsible for every Republican policy failure since Reagan.
Gotta love it.
re: #297 Lidane
It's amazing what electing a black POTUS can accomplish, eh? Suddenly the guy is responsible for every Republican policy failure since Reagan.
Gotta love it.
364 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:21:47am |
re: #326 Gus 802
re: #323 wrenchwench
Hugs back!
I was just going to do a drive by. Now I've gotten sucked back in! I'm doomed forever! ;)
LGF's like a drug that, once you have partaken, no amount of time going "cold turkey" completely clears it from your system. Hell, I took 5 years off, came back, and got right back into the groove.
"Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in!"
365 | albusteve Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:21:51am |
re: #353 000G
That's your astute political analysis of the contemporary American people: "too lazy"?
yes, proof any fool can be astute once in a while
366 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:22:04am |
re: #356 wlewisiii
Thank you, Gus.
You like that? I saw that right after I got back from food shopping before. Thought it was perfect. Pretty cool I thought.
367 | Achilles Tang Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:22:08am |
re: #325 ralphieboy
You see, if we were "running the country like a business", we would drop these bad assets to clean up our books.
If we were running the country "like a family", we would tell the kids to drop out of college or high school, live somewhere else and apply for food stamps.
wait....
368 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:23:00am |
re: #364 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
LGF's like a drug that, once you have partaken, no amount of time going "cold turkey" completely clears it from your system. Hell, I took 5 years off, came back, and got right back into the groove.
"Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in!"
You know. I was thinking of those very same words just before.
Get out of my head! ;)
369 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:23:07am |
re: #355 ralphieboy
I can't help but think that that kind of thought is at the Infowars level of political discourse, though. Yknow, calling the general public sheeple and feeling all enlightened and shit.
Uh, yeah: Rabble is rabble. Always has been, always will. So?
It's like some people are waiting for a religious experience in order to see where things need to get moving towards.
370 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:23:42am |
re: #360 Gus 802
I posted this while you were away, but I was thinking of you. It's by my niece, who is doing a semester in Argentina.
371 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:24:10am |
re: #368 Gus 802
You know. I was thinking of those very same words just before.
Get out of my head! ;)
Never! It's so nice and roomy. Though I think I might need to change the wallpaper.
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372 | jaunte Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:24:15am |
The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission:
"The three credit rating agencies [Moody's, Fitch, S&P] were key enablers of the financial meltdown. The mortgage-related securities at the heart of the crisis could not have been marketed and sold without their seal of approval. Investors relied on them, often blindly. In some cases, they were obligated to use them, or regulatory capital standards were hinged on them. This crisis could not have happened without the rating agencies."
373 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:24:54am |
re: #367 Naso Tang
If we were running the country "like a family", we would tell the kids to drop out of college or high school, live somewhere else and apply for food stamps.
wait...
Read this when you get the chance...
It's pretty funny as well as being true.
374 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:26:21am |
re: #370 wrenchwench
I posted this while you were away, but I was thinking of you. It's by my niece, who is doing a semester in Argentina.
LOL That's pretty funny. "She can fart" whenever she wishes.
375 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:27:07am |
re: #353 000G
That's your astute political analysis of the contemporary American people: "too lazy"?
concise, yet accurate, actually
too lazy to go out and vote one day a year
too lazy to research a candidate, instead relying on biased opinions and pre concieved notions just because of the letter following their name (D or R)
376 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:27:48am |
re: #359 albusteve
why hate conservatives?
why hate people?
I didn't claim it accomplishes anything...
I hate the Eagles even more
you try to read too much into it
I'm an equal opportunity hater, but I like to think even I have limits.
377 | Interesting Times Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:28:02am |
re: #373 Gus 802
Welcome back :) Here's a really good take on OWS by Simply Sarah that you might like. She said a lot of things that I was thinking but couldn't put into the right words.
378 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:28:49am |
re: #375 sattv4u2
concise, yet accurate, actually
too lazy to go out and vote one day a year
too lazy to research a candidate, instead relying on biased opinions and pre concieved notions just because of the letter following their name (D or R)
Sometimes its laziness, sometimes it's just plain apathy. "Nothing changes, so what's the use?"
379 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:30:08am |
re: #377 publicityStunted
Welcome back :) Here's a really good take on OWS by Simply Sarah that you might like. She said a lot of things that I was thinking but couldn't put into the right words.
Nice. Thanks for pointing that comment out.
380 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:30:19am |
re: #378 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Sometimes its laziness, sometimes it's just plain apathy. "Nothing changes, so what's the use?"
I can see that
381 | Kragar Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:30:30am |
re: #373 Gus 802
Read this when you get the chance...
It's pretty funny as well as being true.
Currently, we're being run by hitchhiker Joe.
382 | Targetpractice Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:32:41am |
re: #381 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Currently, we're being run by hitchhiker Joe.
[Video]
What happened to Joe the Plumber?
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383 | Interesting Times Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:32:56am |
re: #379 Gus 802
Nice. Thanks for pointing that comment out.
Glad I could :) And...oh for the love of all that's holy, I just noticed some douchebag downdinged it 9_9 I would hope it was just a mouse misfire, but given that person's history, not so much...
384 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:34:46am |
Well Gus, you should be aware that there are others here who feel the way you do about KTms supposed exposees, and have developed our own critiques regardless of all that concern trolling.
I also have massive problems with ANSWER and what I see as their trademark anti-zionism/BDS-creep but for reasons totally different than commiebaiting/McCarthylite nonsense.
re: #283 Gus 802
385 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:34:53am |
re: #383 publicityStunted
Glad I could :) And...oh for the love of all that's holy, I just noticed some douchebag downdinged it 9_9 I would hope it was just a mouse misfire, but given that person's history, not so much...
He even dings me down!
*shakes fist*
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386 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:37:38am |
re: #385 wrenchwench
He even dings me down!
*shakes fist*
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He actually goes through comments sometimes, almost systematically, up dinging or down dinging. Not that I worry about that anymore. ;)
387 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:37:51am |
388 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:38:53am |
re: #386 Gus 802
He actually goes through comments sometimes, almost systematically, up dinging or down dinging. Not that I worry about that anymore. ;)
He comments once in a while, and seems more reasonable than his dingings.
389 | Gus Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:41:13am |
re: #388 wrenchwench
He comments once in a while, and seems more reasonable than his dingings.
Yeah, I noticed that.
390 | OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:42:43am |
And also unlike KT or the police state authoritarians here, I don't take any pleasure in watching the cops thrashing *anyone*, of any stripe.
re: #384 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
391 | (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Oct 8, 2011 11:57:06am |
re: #375 sattv4u2
Not enough.
392 | makeitstop Sat, Oct 8, 2011 1:06:32pm |
re: #287 SpaceJesus
drum circles and positive spirit energy aren't going to help one bit
I see a lot more young kids with drums than 'old hippies.'
Throw them out, too? Pretty soon there won't be anybody left.
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393 | Jimmah Sat, Oct 8, 2011 1:57:34pm |
re: #383 publicityStunted
Glad I could :) And...oh for the love of all that's holy, I just noticed some douchebag downdinged it 9_9 I would hope it was just a mouse misfire, but given that person's history, not so much...
That person has a chronic case of wingnut finger (recognised condition).