Huntsman Makes It Official: He’s Bailing

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Jon Huntsman made it official this morning — he’s out of the race.

Right wing bloggers are celebrating, because Huntsman is relatively sane compared to the rest of the field. For example, at rabid far right blog “Weasel Zippers” (a name he stole from our random sayings, by the way), the numbskulled proprietor manages to dredge up an entire four words: He won’t be missed.

Then his commenters, as usual, spew hatred and bigotry.

Buh-bye!

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

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Buh-ye, you smarmy little dipshit.

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See ya. Go back to China.

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I hope any repub candidates won’t give Huntsman any secrets, the man did work for barry soetero, would not surprise me if he passes republican campaign secrets and strageties to David axel-hole.

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too bad, his wife and daughters are easy on the eyes !

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Couldn’t shake off the Obama stink oozing from him.

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His arrogance was nauseating. I hope he finds a new hobby like fighting global warming in China instead of getting back into Utah politics.

If you want to know why Jon Huntsman never stood a chance in today’s GOP, all you have to do is read the comments about him at any right wing website. The Republican base (the online version, anyway) despises him, as they despise anyone who isn’t to the right of the John Birch Society.

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283 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:00:52am

He was already out. He just didn’t know it yet.

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:01:28am

Never had a chance: he was one Mormon too many.

3 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:02:07am

I think his endorsement may actually hurt Romney.

4 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:02:33am

It’s crazy that Huntsman who is a conservative is seen as a moderate. But that’s because of who he was up against them. Saw that he’s endorsing Romney. Not surprising.

5 Tigger2005  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:03:19am

If the name Ronald Reagan could somehow be wiped from the minds of the Republican base, and then you brought in a guy who looked like Reagan, walked like Reagan, talked like Reagan, and governed like Reagan, they would hate him.

6 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:03:32am

I see that Mitt already has it in the bag. The only question is who will be the VP?

7 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:05:21am

re: #6 Alouette

I see that Mitt already has it in the bag. The only question is who will be the VP?

He’ll pick a far right social conservative to placate the religious right - possibly Rick Santorum. It will be a replay of 2008.

8 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:05:22am

re: #6 Alouette

That discussion already started in previous thread: Romney has a real problem. he needs someone to the right of him to motivate the GOP to support him, but anyone to the right of him would alienate moderate voters.

Good luck, Mitt…

9 albusteve  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:05:36am

don’t know what’s in the water, but there are sure a lot of mean ass people out there…not my style of expression

10 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:06:54am

re: #6 Alouette

I see that Mitt already has it in the bag. The only question is who will be the VP?

A hardcore socon I imagine. Someone who will make the base a little more enthusiastic for Romney but the rest of the population just sigh.

11 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:08:37am

re: #8 ralphieboy

That discussion already started in previous thread: Romney has a real problem. he needs someone to the right of him to motivate the GOP to support him, but anyone to the right of him would alienate moderate voters.

Good luck, Mitt…

Tough choice.
Do I shoot myself in the left foot or the right foot???

12 Lidane  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:09:07am

re: #7 Charles

He’ll pick a far right social conservative to placate the religious right - possibly Rick Santorum.

That’s good news for Dan Savage. Heh.

It will be a replay of 2008.

Except with more sweater vests and Google memes.

13 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:11:33am

I can’t see it being Santorum but someone like Santorum absofuckingloutely.

14 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:11:57am

re: #12 Lidane

And horrified resentment by the evangelical base, as they realize they have to vote for a Mormon and a Catholic.

15 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:12:26am

re: #5 Tigger2005

If the name Ronald Reagan could somehow be wiped from the minds of the Republican base, and then you brought in a guy who looked like Reagan, walked like Reagan, talked like Reagan, and governed like Reagan, they would hate him.

Good article on just that thought on NPR:
npr.org

16 Professor Chaos  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:12:53am

Romney/Cheney 2012!

For when you need an old reliable hand to keep an eye on the Mormon cultist!

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:13:28am

re: #16 Girth

Romney/Cheney 2012!

For when you need an old reliable hand to keep an eye on the Mormon cultist!

Bingo! /

*shudder*

18 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:15:15am

re: #7 Charles

He’ll pick a far right social conservative to placate the religious right - possibly Rick Santorum. It will be a replay of 2008.

I really don’t think so. Romney has worked at avoiding his mistakes of 2008, and he knows that McCain’s selection of Palin was a huge mistake. I expect him to nominate someone who will reassure, rather than scare independents, like a Mitch Daniels or Tim Pawlenty, because he knows that ODS will motivate the Right. I expect Rush, Hannity and Fox News will focus all their bile on telling the Base that getting rid of Obama is the only thing that matters.

19 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:16:02am

re: #15 wlewisiii

Good article on just that thought on NPR:
[Link: www.npr.org…]

Good article and it’s true. Reagan the abstraction means more than Reagan the reality.

20 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:16:46am

re: #18 aagcobb

Yeah, Pawlenty might suddenly be the star again.

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:17:22am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Good article and it’s true. Reagan the abstraction means more than Reagan the reality.

Reminds me of the books about Lenin I read in childhood :)

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:17:28am

re: #18 aagcobb

I expect Rush, Hannity and Fox News will focus all their bile on telling the Base that getting rid of Obama is the only thing that matters.

This.

23 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:19:53am

re: #18 aagcobb

I really don’t think so. Romney has worked at avoiding his mistakes of 2008, and he knows that McCain’s selection of Palin was a huge mistake. I expect him to nominate someone who will reassure, rather than scare independents, like a Mitch Daniels or Tim Pawlenty, because he knows that ODS will motivate the Right. I expect Rush, Hannity and Fox News will focus all their bile on telling the Base that getting rid of Obama is the only thing that matters.

Assuming, of course, that some nut doesn’t go third party on the GOP.
It’s a possibility given how crazy some are.

24 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:20:10am

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

Reminds me of the books about Lenin I read in childhood :)

This.

25 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:20:39am

re: #18 aagcobb

The thing is, Romney can’t possibly win without the support of the religious right; we’re talking about millions of votes. He’s in the same predicament that McCain was in — actually worse, because the fanatics are predisposed to hate Romney because he’s a Mormon. He’s going to have to make a major concession to them in order to even have a chance.

26 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:20:50am

re: #7 Charles

He’ll pick a far right social conservative to placate the religious right - possibly Rick Santorum. It will be a replay of 2008.

Or he could pick Herman Cain.

27 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:21:20am

Huntsman wont be missed, that much is true - particularly when you realize that he ran a campaign only slightly more competent than Rudy’s 2008 run. And by competent, I mean he considered campaigning in more than just Florida (if only by a little bit).

As for Romney’s chances, they’re not really affected by Huntsman’s campaign bailing. Huntsman wasn’t really polling all that well to begin with and wasn’t going to be a factor going forward, even in moderate states, like in the Northeast or the West Coast. Those were places where Romney was likely to win anyways.

Now, as to the question of who would be Romney’s running mate, we’d probably see geographical diversity combined with ideological diversity; in the hopes of picking up socons without completely alienating the moderates and independents.

That makes for a real short list, and this doesn’t count as an endorsement of any of the three possibilities, I think at the end of the day, it’s going to come down to Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, and Chris Christie. Of the three, Christie is the safest bet (he’s been on Romney’s team from near the outset and probably has an inside track). Geographically, he’s an East Coaster (which undermines the geographical diversity unless you think Mitt’s from Utah), and he was a GOPer who won in a largely Blue/Independent state. Haley and Jindal have the interesting backstories, come from the South/Gulf Coast - clearly ideologically and geographically diverse, but Jindal’s positions on creationism would surely come up, and Haley’s not much better - they’d gain socons, but lose everyone else).

28 albusteve  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:21:32am

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This.

getting rid of BO is certainly the objective…is there some other pretense?

29 Professor Chaos  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:21:48am

re: #26 Alouette

Or he could pick Herman Cain.

Nein, nein, nein.

30 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:22:01am

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

Reminds me of the books about Lenin I read in childhood :)

That’s not that far off at all actually.

31 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:24:49am

I’m thinking that depending on how the primary season goes, that we might have a brokered convention, and get a Romney - Paul combo. With it being a coin-toss as to who is gets the top slot on the ticket.

32 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:25:06am

re: #23 Varek Raith

Assuming, of course, that some nut doesn’t go third party on the GOP.
It’s a possibility given how crazy some are.

Who? Palin might flirt with it, but she won’t. Trump might flirt with it to get ratings for Apprentice, but he won’t. Paul is clearly working to make the GOP the defacto Libertarian Party so Rand can run in ‘16 or ‘20, and on economic issues the GOP is already mostly there. Everyone remembers how Nader cost Gore the election in 2000, so the vast majority of socons aren’t going to risk another Obama term by voting for someone they know can’t win.

33 Stanley Sea  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:25:49am

I see Christie as his only hope. I bet it will happen.

34 Professor Chaos  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:26:27am

re: #31 RadicalModerate

I’m thinking that depending on how the primary season goes, that we might have a brokered convention, and get a Romney - Paul combo. With it being a coin-toss as to who is gets the top slot on the ticket.

There is an exactly zero probability that the GOP lets Ron Paul anywhere near the ticket, let alone on it.

35 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:27:09am

re: #33 Stanley Sea

I see Christie as his only hope. I bet it will happen.

Problem is, just like in the 2008 campaign, I don’t think that its going to be him who makes the choice.

36 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:27:28am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

That’s not that far off at all actually.

As far as mythmaking goes, it’s similar. Of course, it works not only on the right or the totalitarians, but that’s another story ;)

bbl

37 Atlas Fails  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:27:44am

Nice Kos diary about the MLK we don’t hear about on TV here.

38 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:27:58am

re: #32 aagcobb

Who? Palin might flirt with it, but she won’t. Trump might flirt with it to get ratings for Apprentice, but he won’t. Paul is clearly working to make the GOP the defacto Libertarian Party so Rand can run in ‘16 or ‘20, and on economic issues the GOP is already mostly there. Everyone remembers how Nader cost Gore the election in 2000, so the vast majority of socons aren’t going to risk another Obama term by voting for someone they know can’t win.

I’m referring more to the TeaParty types.
They’ve shown how stupid they are electorally.

39 Alexzander  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:27:58am

re: #31 RadicalModerate

I’m thinking that depending on how the primary season goes, that we might have a brokered convention, and get a Romney - Paul combo. With it being a coin-toss as to who is gets the top slot on the ticket.

That is likely Paul’s hope. Or at the very least, a promise of some kind of important position, perhaps in charge of the Federal Reserve (lulz). Paul probably will have the second highest number of delegates in the end.

40 Alexzander  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:29:06am

re: #37 Atlas Fails

Nice Kos diary about the MLK we don’t hear about on TV here.

Or as Killgore Trout might put it; MLK was an anti-American OWS shill.

41 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:30:27am

re: #39 Alexzander

Paul’s delegate count may be the result not of having the kind of support you think, but a result of simply being the only other candidate who has a 50 state ground game. I don’t see him having more than 20% of the vote in any of the states, and with some states being winner take all rather than proportional, Paul wont have enough delegates to force a floor fight at the convention.

42 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:30:32am

re: #36 Sergey Romanov

As far as mythmaking goes, it’s similar. Of course, it works not only on the right or the totalitarians, but that’s another story ;)

bbl

Right, mythmaking is part of politics. The left does it with Kennedy too. I like Jack Kennedy but the idea that he was a huge liberal stalwart isn’t accurate.

43 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:31:34am

re: #25 Charles

The thing is, Romney can’t possibly win without the support of the religious right; we’re talking about millions of votes. He’s in the same predicament that McCain was in — actually worse, because the fanatics are predisposed to hate Romney because he’s a Mormon. He’s going to have to make a major concession to them in order to even have a chance.

But any mainstream Republican is already extremely conservative. TPaw is both a creationist and a climate change denier. I think the hatred of Obama is so intense that Romney has room to pick someone whose image is reassuring to independents, even though they all hold basically the same views about abortion, climate change, taxes and domestic spending.

44 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:32:02am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Right, mythmaking is part of politics. The left does it with Kennedy too. I like Jack Kennedy but the idea that he was a huge liberal stalwart isn’t accurate.

Exactly. Bobby Kennedy, on the other hand…

45 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:34:13am

re: #40 Alexzander

Or as Killgore Trout might put it; MLK was an anti-American OWS shill.

Do you think MLK would have anything to do with OWS? Stabbing cops, rapes, heroin use, constant parties and drum circles? Shitting in the street? OWS organizers like Anon stealing credit card numbers?
The left has retained a lot of the language and symbolism of MLK but they’ve lost the plot.

46 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:34:32am

re: #44 RadicalModerate

Exactly. Bobby Kennedy, on the other hand…

You know, always makes me almost cry thinking about what could have been.

47 zora  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:37:20am

Activists say pro-Santorum vote was rigged

A civil war is breaking out among evangelical leaders over allegations of a rigged election and ballot stuffing at a Saturday gathering of religious and social conservatives.

At the meeting about 150 religious conservative activists at the Benham, Texas, ranch of Nancy and Paul Pressler, Rick Santorum supporters claimed the former Pennsylvania senator was chosen on the third ballot as the consensus candidate to try to stop Mitt Romney’s march to the Republican presidential nomination.

But in back-and-forth emails, Protestant fundamentalist leaders who attended – most of them backing former House Speaker Newt Gingrich to be the anti-Romney candidate — are accusing Catholic participants of conniving to rig the vote.

washingtontimes.com


the protestants say that the catholics cheated.

48 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:37:26am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The left has retained a lot of the language and symbolism of MLK but they’ve lost the plot, organizing, and leadership.

Altered that for me.

49 Alexzander  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:39:28am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Do you think MLK would have anything to do with OWS? Stabbing cops, rapes, heroin use, constant parties and drum circles? Shitting in the street? OWS organizers like Anon stealing credit card numbers?
The left has retained a lot of the language and symbolism of MLK but they’ve lost the plot.

Before MLK was assinated he had shifted to issues of class and poverty. He was essentially trying to organize an OWS movement in his age.

OWS involved thousands, perhaps even millions of people. There were bound to be incidents of heroin use etc. Especially given that they ended up providing shelter and food to the homeless who otherwise had nowhere to go.

From the linked article:

“There are millions of poor people in this country who have very little, or even nothing, to lose. If they can be helped to take action together, they will do so with a freedom and a power that will be a new and unsettling force in our complacent national life…”

— The Trumpet of Conscience, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, 1967.

In his last months, King was organizing the most militant project of his life: the Poor People’s Campaign.
He crisscrossed the country to assemble “a multiracial army of the poor” that would descend on Washington — engaging in nonviolent civil disobedience at the Capitol, if need be — until Congress enacted a poor people’s bill of rights.

Reader’s Digest warned of an “insurrection.”

50 Olsonist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:39:59am

Huntsman was never running for President and obviously he wasn’t running for Vice President either given the inevitability of Romney. Huntsman was running for President or VP in 2016. He’s an intelligent politician without top drawer name recognition. He is now a known commodity and he didn’t embarrass himself. Rick Perry embarrassed himself. Michelle Bachmann is an embarrassment. But Huntsman did ok.

If you look at Jimmy Carter, a former governor from a small state, Carter did the same exact thing. A brief nothing running in 1972 to get known and then an out of nowhere run in 1976.

That’s not saying that Huntsman is Republican Presidential timber. The Tea Party won’t like him but then the Tea Party it turns out doesn’t have majorities it can turn out. But Huntsman is playing the game correctly.

No, I wouldn’t vote for him. I’m considerably to the Left. But it’s like baseball; you like to see a slugger leg it out to first base and have respect for the game rather than heel turn and head back to the dugout.

51 Professor Chaos  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:40:06am

re: #47 zora

Activists say pro-Santorum vote was rigged

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com…]

the protestants say that the catholics cheated.

ACORN!!!

52 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:40:24am

re: #38 Varek Raith

I’m referring more to the TeaParty types.
They’ve shown how stupid they are electorally.

And who would run under a Tea Party banner? No-one I can think of. We see the extreme hatred of Romney expressed on RW blogs, but polling shows that ordinary, run-of-the-mill, not that into politics Republicans like Romney well enough, and they will vote for him to get rid of Obama, who they see as a literal mortal threat to America as they know it.

53 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:41:08am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Do you think MLK would have anything to do with OWS?

Do you think the 60’s civil rights movement was free of violence and crime?

Really?

54 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:41:13am

re: #47 zora

Activists say pro-Santorum vote was rigged

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com…]

the protestants say that the catholics cheated.

Somewhere Romney is smiling.

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:41:38am

re: #27 lawhawk

I can’t type more than a paragraph with less than five typos. Including you, there are a number of lizards that I just enjoy reading because of the grasp of the English language that you guys have.

Even when I don’t agree.

You? Hell, you say what I’m thinking if I were smarter.

56 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:44:08am

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You actually have a very nice writing style, with a good voice and clarity of communication. Most people have a tone difficult to read over the interwebs, but yours generally comes through with clarity without being overwritten.

And your posts always smell great.

57 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:45:17am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

You know, always makes me almost cry thinking about what could have been.

Just to name a few - some good, some probably not-so-good, if RFK had been elected:

1. The Southern Strategy would have backfired on Republicans. The “Dixiecrat” split into a third party would likely have been more pronounced.
2. Nixon doesn’t make it into the White House, so the entire Watergate scandal never happens - at least not to the scale that it blossomed to.
3. Vietnam - probably not much change on the end-game here, unfortunately. By 1968 it was much, much too far down the road to see any positive outcome.
4. Relations with China and Russia might have been a bit more strained than with Nixon, due to JFK’s legacy, and Nixon’s detente’ efforts.
5. A much more agressive approach toward civil rights, including a higher probability that the Equal Rights Amendment actually gets passed.

58 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:45:58am

re: #49 Alexzander

Before MLK was assinated he had shifted to issues of class and poverty. He was essentially trying to organize an OWS movement in his age.

MLK already had organized a movement. He was shifting the focus of that movement.

In my opinion, OWS has yet to reach the status of being a “movement”.

59 Atlas Fails  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:46:07am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Do you think MLK would have anything to do with OWS? Stabbing cops, rapes, heroin use, constant parties and drum circles? Shitting in the street? OWS organizers like Anon stealing credit card numbers?
The left has retained a lot of the language and symbolism of MLK but they’ve lost the plot.

Well, if you click the link, you’ll discover that King’s Poor People’s Campaign March on Washington did plan on staying in tents and makeshift shacks throughout the capital. After his death, the protest and “occupation” was carried out by his successor as president of the SCLC. OWS has become a parody of itself, but if it had someone like King to give it direction from the get-go, who knows.

60 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:46:47am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

He WAS the OWS of his day, KT. He couldn’t help but be as a Christian Minister committed to the gospel. You might actually try to learn something about the Left someday instead of continuing to make a fool of yourself over OWS.

61 Olsonist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:47:20am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The left has retained a lot of the language and symbolism of MLK but they’ve lost the plot.

Yeah, I see your point cuz the Right Wing isn’t exactly known for lynching and assassinations now is it? Oh, I forgot, MLK was assassinated by the Right Wing.

62 Atlas Fails  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:48:58am

re: #61 Olsonist

Yeah, I see your point cuz the Right Wing isn’t exactly known for lynching and assassinations now is it? Oh, I forgot, MLK was assassinated by the Right Wing.

Nuh-uh, MLK was a Republican!!1

63 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:49:16am

re: #58 wrenchwench

MLK was one of many, many organizers of the Civil Rights movement. He was very important, but it wasn’t just him.

One of my heroes, A. Phillip Randolph

64 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:49:32am

re: #57 RadicalModerate

Just to name a few - some good, some probably not-so-good, if RFK had been elected:

1. The Southern Strategy would have backfired on Republicans. The “Dixiecrat” split into a third party would likely have been more pronounced.
2. Nixon doesn’t make it into the White House, so the entire Watergate scandal never happens - at least not to the scale that it blossomed to.
3. Vietnam - probably not much change on the end-game here, unfortunately. By 1968 it was much, much too far down the road to see any positive outcome.
4. Relations with China and Russia might have been a bit more strained than with Nixon, due to JFK’s legacy, and Nixon’s detente’ efforts.
5. A much more agressive approach toward civil rights, including a higher probability that the Equal Rights Amendment actually gets passed.

These are all great points. Ultimately, I think Nixon’s worst legacy is the Southern Strategy. I despise him more for that than Watergate.

65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:49:51am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The left has retained a lot of the language and symbolism of MLK but they’ve lost the plot.

Oh please, lol.

Everybody today thinks they know anything about “MLK” because they go around repeating “content of character” and “i have a dream”, typically as a stick to beat “the left” and Black people in particular over the head.

I always love it when the rw nonpartisan moderates try to appropriate the Civil Rights movement, as if they know fuck-all about it.

66 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:50:40am

Anyhow being it is MLK Day- let me today express how much I admire John Lewis of Georgia. There aren’t many guys in Congress I can point to say and that guy’s a hero but Lewis is that and so was the late Tom Lantos before him.

67 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:51:00am

re: #56 Obdicut

You actually have a very nice writing style, with a good voice and clarity of communication. Most people have a tone difficult to read over the interwebs, but yours generally comes through with clarity without being overwritten.

And your posts always smell great.

I prefer being succinct and silly.

68 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:52:16am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Do you think MLK would have anything to do with OWS? Stabbing cops, rapes, heroin use, constant parties and drum circles? Shitting in the street? OWS organizers like Anon stealing credit card numbers?
The left has retained a lot of the language and symbolism of MLK but they’ve lost the plot.

Do you realize that you’re making the same argument against OWS as the John Birch Society and the Council of Conservative Citizens/White Citizens Councils were making against Dr. King’s movement in the 1960s?

69 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:52:31am

re: #63 Obdicut

MLK was one of many, many organizers of the Civil Rights movement. He was very important, but it wasn’t just him.

One of my heroes, A. Phillip Randolph

That is true. However, I think OWS wishes it had one fiftieth of the organization and clout that the civil rights movement had. I think comparisons of OWS to King and that movement do a disservice to King and his companions in that movement.

70 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:53:16am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Anyhow being it is MLK Day- let me today express how much I admire John Lewis of Georgia. There aren’t many guys in Congress I can point to say and that guy’s a hero but Lewis is that and so was the late Tom Lantos before him.

Free updings on your next five comments….

71 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:53:56am

re: #68 RadicalModerate

Do you realize that you’re making the same argument against OWS as the John Birch Society and the Council of Conservative Citizens/White Citizens Councils were making against Dr. King’s movement in the 1960s?

Fuck you.

72 Olsonist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:54:47am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Fuck you.

He apparently realizes it.

73 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:55:00am

Unfortunately, the totally bogus MLK “Letter to an anti-Zionist” which NEVER appeared anywhere in “Saturday Review” is still being touted on some websites.

74 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:55:23am

I also have to say whatever his failings as an ethical man or whatever, President Johnson deserves more credit than he gets for supporting the Civil Rights legislation.

75 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:55:40am

re: #69 wrenchwench

That is true. However, I think OWS wishes it had one fiftieth of the organization and clout that the civil rights movement had. I think comparisons of OWS to King and that movement do a disservice to King and his companions in that movement.

Yep. It’s not comparable.

I still think OWS was a symptom of rising consciousness about the 99% thing, rather than the creator of it. This is just another moment in the long, long struggle of labor under capitalism.

76 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:56:34am

Luckily the post I just typed out hit a glitch and didn’t post. I’ll leave it alone.

77 Alexzander  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:58:26am

re: #75 Obdicut

Yep. It’s not comparable.

I still think OWS was a symptom of rising consciousness about the 99% thing, rather than the creator of it. This is just another moment in the long, long struggle of labor under capitalism.

Well said, although I wouldn’t limit the depth of the problem to capitalism alone.

78 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:58:37am

The only reason Huntsman was ever seen as a moderate is because conservatism is more embodied by an attitude then policy nowadays. If you don’t have the ability to express and channel the GOP bases hatred for liberals, foreigners, black and brown people, homosexuals and the poor you will never be considered a real conservative by the GOP base and everyone else will make the mistake of thinking you are a moderate Republican. Huntsman wasn’t a moderate, economically or socially, he just didn’t seem to be fueled by hatred of anyone. Which made him a starker contrast to the other GOP candidates then he should have been if you judged each candidate based on policy and past positions on various issues. His inability to gain traction says more about the GOP then him. The GOP base wants attitude and dog whistles blown about race, culture, and religion form their candidate. Romney isn’t ideal, but he’s getting better at it. He’s at least willing to try to say the things the GOP base wants to hear.

Mitt Romney will be the nominee in spite of his Mormonism, but lucky for him He’s as white as you can get and the GOP base has never hated anyone more then they hate black people and the president is black with a Muslim name to boot.

79 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:59:54am

re: #77 Alexzander

Well said, although I wouldn’t limit the depth of the problem to capitalism alone.

No, it’s mostly a cultural problem, that manifests itself economically.

80 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:59:58am

The Bridge Troll is back out on the street.

Maybe they should just fine him $100,000 a day for every day his contractual obligation remain unfulfilled.

81 Atlas Fails  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:00:46am

Going for a run, bbl.

82 Lidane  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:01:11am

Slight OT, but Sully is getting some blowback from his latest Newsweek article:

andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com

He’s amazed that the right wing blogosphere is tearing him apart without actually reading what he wrote. Has he just not paid attention to the right since 2008?

83 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:01:35am

re: #80 Alouette

What are the grounds he’s making the appeal on?

It’s very rare for a judge to overturn a contempt charge by another judge.

84 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:02:27am

re: #78 moderatelyradicalliberal

The only reason Huntsman was ever seen as a moderate is because conservatism is more embodied by an attitude then policy nowadays. If you don’t have the ability to express and channel the GOP bases hatred for liberals, foreigners, black and brown people, homosexuals and the poor you will never be considered a real conservative by the GOP base and everyone else will make the mistake of thinking you are a moderate Republican. Huntsman wasn’t a moderate, economically or socially, he just didn’t seem to be fueled by hatred of anyone. Which made him a starker contrast to the other GOP candidates then he should have been if you judged each candidate based on policy and past positions on various issues. His inability to gain traction says more about the GOP then him. The GOP base wants attitude and dog whistles blown about race, culture, and religion form their candidate. Romney isn’t ideal, but he’s getting better at it. He’s at least willing to try to say the things the GOP base wants to hear.

Mitt Romney will be the nominee in spite of his Mormonism, but lucky for him He’s as white as you can get and the GOP base has never hated anyone more then they hate black people and the president is black with a Muslim name to boot.

The foreign policy I think helped Huntsman’s moderate image too but what you say is right on. It’s a crazy world that Jon Huntsman is seen as a moderate Republican. He’s a conservative and there’s nothing wrong with being one but he’s not a moderate.

85 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:03:37am

re: #80 Alouette

The Bridge Troll is back out on the street.

Maybe they should just fine him $100,000 a day for every day his contractual obligation remain unfulfilled.

Ambassador Bridge?

86 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:03:54am

re: #83 Obdicut

What are the grounds he’s making the appeal on?

It’s very rare for a judge to overturn a contempt charge by another judge.

“No comment” on the appeal by the DIBC.

I am working on a new retelling of “The Three Billy Goats Gruff” folk tale.

87 iossarian  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:04:33am

re: #77 Alexzander

Well said, although I wouldn’t limit the depth of the problem to capitalism alone.

It’s not capitalism per se, it’s more the concentration of capital (and hence power, status, quality of life etc.) in the hands of a very small segment of society. I suppose you could argue that’s an inevitable outcome of (unregulated) capitalism though.

I read this morning that the Lib Dems in the UK are trying to glom on to the idea of employee ownership (often called the John Lewis model over there, after the department store chain that is held in trust for the benefit of its staff, more or less).

What’s funny about this is that employee ownership of the means of production has something of the, um, socialist about it, but it’s being put forward as a kind of “capitalism where everyone benefits”. And also there’s no discussion of how you’re going to persuade the existing owners to share their ownership with the proles…

88 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:04:37am

re: #85 Varek Raith

Ambassador Bridge?

Yes, the Troll totally owns North America’s largest international border crossing.

89 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:05:51am

re: #59 Atlas Fails

Well, if you click the link, you’ll discover that King’s Poor People’s Campaign March on Washington did plan on staying in tents and makeshift shacks throughout the capital.

The Selma—>Montgomery marches through Bloody Lowndes — i.e. the county where white conservatives would KILL YOU if you tried to put a ballot in a box while Black — had already accomplished that via Tent City. It wasn’t on Liveleak, so it didn’t happen, I guess. e_e

There were also Tent Cities in Fayette County, TN, again over our dhimmi’ed voting rights.

But don’t tell that to the nonpartisan moderate types stuck on parroting “content of character/I have a dream” all day, every third Monday of every January. It clashes with their fantasies of what the Civil Rights movement was, and how those rights were secured.

90 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:06:59am

re: #69 wrenchwench

That is true. However, I think OWS wishes it had one fiftieth of the organization and clout that the civil rights movement had. I think comparisons of OWS to King and that movement do a disservice to King and his companions in that movement.

Well the CRM had been building up it’s organization and perfecting it’s methods for decades before it really took off in the television age. The movement began in earnest after WWII. They also actually trained protesters, for example those kids who sat at lunch counters while being yelled at and assaulted went to a training camp to teach them to note have the normal human response to being hit and spit on. OWS hasn’t had the time, expertise or discipline that the CRM had even before King became involved.

But, it is important to acknowledge that MLK was not anywhere near as revered as he is today and was called a terrorist and a communist by his detractors. And many Americans, not just southerns pretty much had the same attitude towards them as some have towards OWS. It’s also important to remember that if Civil Rights had been put to a popular vote, it would have lost. Support for the CRM and it’s goals were no higher then they are today for OWS.

91 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:12:17am

re: #90 moderatelyradicalliberal

Well the CRM had been building up it’s organization and perfecting it’s methods for decades before it really took off in the television age. The movement began in earnest after WWII.

I would say going back at least at the turn of last century (I put it at mid 18th century, tbh.) Ida B Wells, Mary Church Terrell and that whole generation of people either born into slavery or just at its formal end; Niagara Movement, Black frats and sororoties, land grant HBCUs (which date back even further), all of those were the beginnings of the 20th c. CRM.

But, it is important to acknowledge that MLK was not anywhere near as revered as he is today and was called a terrorist and a communist by his detractors. And many Americans, not just southerns pretty much had the same attitude towards them as some have towards OWS. It’s also important to remember that if Civil Rights had been put to a popular vote, it would have lost. Support for the CRM and it’s goals were no higher then they are today for OWS.

The CRM throughout the entire 20th century was commiebaited and maligned in EXACTLY the same way today’s rw nonpartisan moderates are doing OWS, right now.

Not one thing has changed, in that way. They havent even bothered to change the rhetoric and namecalling.

92 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:13:32am

re: #90 moderatelyradicalliberal

And there were people who, upon seeing a photo of civil rights marchers being hosed down or beaten, applauded, who enjoyed it, too. Lots of them.

93 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:14:36am

re: #68 RadicalModerate

Do you realize that you’re making the same argument against OWS as the John Birch Society and the Council of Conservative Citizens/White Citizens Councils were making against Dr. King’s movement in the 1960s?

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Fuck you.

lmao

94 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:14:43am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

The foreign policy I think helped Huntsman’s moderate image too but what you say is right on. It’s a crazy world that Jon Huntsman is seen as a moderate Republican. He’s a conservative and there’s nothing wrong with being one but he’s not a moderate.

John Huntsman is a conservative minus the bigotry and cultural resentment and this means that for the GOP base he is not a real conservative. He’s seen too much of the world, he went to work for a Democratic president because he thought he could help his country, and he’s even got some brown children! These things are anathema for the modern GOP base. I’m glad he got out of the race before he got the same treatment as John McCain in SC. We all know much damage a brown baby can do if you want the GOP nomination.

95 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:15:11am

My final term paper I did as an undergrad————just last month in fact was on the life of Richard Wright. He died before the Civil Rights Movement took off. I wondered now and writing that paper what he’d think. Just an interesting guy. A true intellectual.

96 Lidane  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:15:15am

re: #92 Obdicut

And there were people who, upon seeing a photo of civil rights marchers being hosed down or beaten, applauded, who enjoyed it, too. Lots of them.

Yep. Because Johnny Law was showing those filthy radicals and anarchists their place.

97 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:16:06am

re: #90 moderatelyradicalliberal

Well the CRM had been building up it’s organization and perfecting it’s methods for decades before it really took off in the television age. The movement began in earnest after WWII. They also actually trained protesters, for example those kids who sat at lunch counters while being yelled at and assaulted went to a training camp to teach them to note have the normal human response to being hit and spit on. OWS hasn’t had the time, expertise or discipline that the CRM had even before King became involved.

But, it is important to acknowledge that MLK was not anywhere near as revered as he is today and was called a terrorist and a communist by his detractors. And many Americans, not just southerns pretty much had the same attitude towards them as some have towards OWS. It’s also important to remember that if Civil Rights had been put to a popular vote, it would have lost. Support for the CRM and it’s goals were no higher then they are today for OWS.

I don’t mean to knock OWS too much. If they’re going anywhere, they just got started. And I only went to one meeting of what I’d have to characterize as OWS wannabes and cheerleaders, so I don’t know whether the organizers recognize the need for organization, but I haven’t seen or heard that they do.

I think King was singled out to be revered because he died. Meanwhile, John Lewis still gets spat at and called, well, you know.

98 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:18:19am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

My final term paper I did as an undergrad—-just last month in fact was on the life of Richard Wright. He died before the Civil Rights Movement took off. I wondered now and writing that paper what he’d think. Just an interesting guy. A true intellectual.

Everyone should read Invisible Man, including certain types in OWS. Especially them, really :)

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:18:39am

re: #92 Obdicut

And there were people who, upon seeing a photo of civil rights marchers being hosed down or beaten, applauded, who enjoyed it, too. Lots of them.

As with certain OWS images as well…

100 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:19:48am

re: #91 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I would say going back at least at the turn of last century (I put it at mid 18th century, tbh.) Ida B Wells, Mary Church Terrell and that whole generation of people either born into slavery or just at its formal end; Niagara Movement, Black frats and sororoties, land grant HBCUs (which date back even further), all of those were the beginnings of the 20th c. CRM.

The CRM throughout the entire 20th century was commiebaited and maligned in EXACTLY the same way today’s rw nonpartisan moderates are doing OWS, right now.

Not one thing has changed, in that way. They havent even bothered to change the rhetoric and namecalling.

I know the fight for civil rights goes back further, I was more so referring to the modern civil rights era. The turn on the century was the first wave, post WWII was the second. The first wave built up the talent, intellectual fire power and the platform from which the second wave took off. That’s the main difference between OWS and the CRM. Without the foundation laid by the first wave, there is no second wave.

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:19:50am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

A hardcore socon I imagine. Someone who will make the base a little more enthusiastic for Romney but the rest of the population just sigh.

Colbert?

102 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:19:51am

re: #98 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Everyone should read Invisible Man, including certain types in OWS. Especially them, really :)

I’m gonna get that for my Kindle. Traveling to NM next Monday to see a friend for the week. Loved the introduction. Reading Dumas’ Count of Monte Cristo right now which I love.

103 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:21:07am

re: #92 Obdicut

And there were people who, upon seeing a photo of civil rights marchers being hosed down or beaten, applauded, who enjoyed it, too. Lots of them.

My mom witnessed that during civil defense training she attended in the early 60’s in Wisconsin. They showed a film that included dogs and fire hoses being used against black protesters, and much of the audience laughed.

104 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:21:38am

re: #101 oaktree

Colbert?

Too French. and yes I know he’s actually of Irish decent.

105 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:23:05am

re: #100 moderatelyradicalliberal

I know the fight for civil rights goes back further, I was more so referring to the modern civil rights era. The turn on the century was the first wave, post WWII was the second. The first wave built up the talent, intellectual fire power and the platform from which the second wave took off. That’s the main difference between OWS and the CRM. Without the foundation laid by the first wave, there is no second wave.

I know YOU know that, mrl :D

In fact, I would put the first formal wave somewhere around the mid 1700s but that’s just me. lol there were a bunch of waves.

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:23:33am

re: #33 Stanley Sea

I see Christie as his only hope. I bet it will happen.

Obi Wan Kenobi. Old white guy with old-style government credentials. Great believer in law and order. And can do the Jedi mind trick on the weak-willed to pull in their votes.
“This IS the candidate you’re looking for!”
/

107 Lidane  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:23:35am

re: #101 oaktree

Colbert?

Too smart, too funny, and waaay “too French” for Romney. Besides, Stephen’s jihad against bears could prove to be problematic in Chicago. Heh.

108 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:24:34am

re: #106 oaktree
That is a good one. :)

109 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:24:47am

re: #102 HappyWarrior

I’m gonna get that for my Kindle. Traveling to NM next Monday to see a friend for the week. Loved the introduction. Reading Dumas’ Count of Monte Cristo right now which I love.

I’m reading A Shameful Act: The Armenian Genocide and the Question of Turkish Responsibility right now.

Not exactly light reading — must do so in paragraphs. Very emotional; very f’ed up shyt.

110 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:25:29am

Jim Hoft commenters are spewing racism today, of course. A comment he just deleted after Eric Boehlert pointed it out on Twitter:

“I prefer to celebrate it as James Earl Ray day”

thegatewaypundit.com

There are still plenty of other anti-MLK comments, of course.

111 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:25:43am

The female side of the Huntsman family is easy on the eyes.

Not that they’d have anything to do with those commentators, but that is a correct assessment.

112 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:26:21am

re: #110 Charles

Jim Hoft commenters are spewing racism today, of course.

Impossible. The Blacks™ are the racists, now.

113 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:26:28am

re: #109 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I’m reading A Shameful Act: The Armenian Genocide and the Question of Turkish Responsibility right now.

Not exactly light reading — must do so in paragraphs. Very emotional; very f’ed up shyt.

That’s a subject I need to educate myself more on. I finished a Mickey Mantle bio last night. Light reading but reading baseball biographies is my hobby. Highly recommend the Kindle to anyone, it’s truly great.

114 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:27:15am

re: #111 EmmmieG

The female side of the Huntsman family is easy on the eyes.

Oh, HE HIMSELF is easy on the eyes, yum.

Pretty!

115 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:27:41am

re the whole OWS is/is not similar to CRM…

CRM when? As the CRM in the last couple of years prior to the Act being pushed through congress? The period that kicks off with 1948’s Executive Order 9981? The period that preceded the Atlanta Race Riot of 1905?

I think OWS is the first organizational stage after a nearly century-long hiatus of an opposition to class calcification/inequality. As such it’s a poor thing to compare it to the CRM of the 1960s.

116 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:27:49am

re: #97 wrenchwench

I don’t mean to knock OWS too much. If they’re going anywhere, they just got started. And I only went to one meeting of what I’d have to characterize as OWS wannabes and cheerleaders, so I don’t know whether the organizers recognize the need for organization, but I haven’t seen or heard that they do.

I think King was singled out to be revered because he died. Meanwhile, John Lewis still gets spat at and called, well, you know.

The fact that OWS didn’t know who John Lewis was and actually turned him away from speaking told me that OWS wouldn’t get nearly as far as it could with a popular message. Real movements need organization, leadership and strategy. There’s simply no getting around that. You need a lot more than “hell no, we won’t go”. If there is anybody that OWS should have allowed to speak and be in regular contact with it’s John Lewis. He’s a warrior and his movement was amazingly successful given what they were up against. OWS had an even easier message to sell and they’re mostly white so I think they kinda blew it. At lease income inequality and vulture capitalism is now a part of the conversation so it’s not a total loss.

117 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:27:51am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

That’s a subject I need to educate myself more on. I finished a Mickey Mantle bio last night. Light reading but reading baseball biographies is my hobby. Highly recommend the Kindle to anyone, it’s truly great.

Liking the Kindle, I see. What kind do you have, if I may ask?

118 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:28:15am

re: #111 EmmmieG

The female side of the Huntsman family is easy on the eyes.

Not that they’d have anything to do with those commentators, but that is a correct assessment.

Good looking wife and girls, I agree. I think his family was one of his best assets. They’re likable and looked like they were having fun.

119 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:28:38am

re: #117 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Liking the Kindle, I see. What kind do you have, if I may ask?

Got the Fire.

120 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:30:00am

I’m thinking Huckabee might be a good choice for Romney’s VP if he’s up for the job.

121 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:30:54am

re: #115 kirkspencer

re the whole OWS is/is not similar to CRM…

CRM when? As the CRM in the last couple of years prior to the Act being pushed through congress? The period that kicks off with 1948’s Executive Order 9981? The period that preceded the Atlanta Race Riot of 1905?

I think OWS is the first organizational stage after a nearly century-long hiatus of an opposition to class calcification/inequality. As such it’s a poor thing to compare it to the CRM of the 1960s.

Nicely put.

The whole comparison is ignorant, and ahistorical. But this is today’s nonpartisan moderate OWS “critic” like KT for you…full of kneejerk rightwing emotionalism, weak on analysis, even weaker on historical facts.

122 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:31:05am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Good looking wife and girls, I agree. I think his family was one of his best assets. They’re likable and looked like they were having fun.

And two more reasons for hard-core right-wingers not to vote for him.

123 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:31:07am

re: #112 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Impossible. The Blacks™ are the racists, now.

It’s liberal trolls trying to make conservatives look bad!!111!!

124 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:31:10am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

That’s a subject I need to educate myself more on. I finished a Mickey Mantle bio last night. Light reading but reading baseball biographies is my hobby. Highly recommend the Kindle to anyone, it’s truly great.

I still use my Kindle every day. It’s one of the best gadget purchases I ever made.

And by the way, if anyone IS thinking of buying a Kindle, don’t forget to click through to Amazon from one of the LGF links, and help support LGF. You get the same deal, and we get a small commission.

I’ve got all the current Kindles listed in the LGF Store: astore.amazon.com

125 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:31:19am

re: #120 JasonA

I’m thinking Huckabee might be a good choice for Romney’s VP if he’s up for the job.

Don’t they hate each others guts. Not that it really matters since Mitt wants to win more than make friends but I think Huckabee is a realistic possibility if not someone like him. Romney needs someone with blue collar appeal and he himself sorely lacks that.

126 Alexzander  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:31:27am

re: #120 JasonA

I’m thinking Huckabee might be a good choice for Romney’s VP if he’s up for the job.

Did you see Huckabee’s “debate” this weekend with the candidates? I missed it/avoided it. I wonder how the Huckabee/Romney chemistry was.
That being said, VP is probably a downgrade for Huckabee. He would have been the nominee.

127 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:31:36am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

That’s a subject I need to educate myself more on. I finished a Mickey Mantle bio last night. Light reading but reading baseball biographies is my hobby. Highly recommend the Kindle to anyone, it’s truly great.

This one of Koufax is great:


A Lefty’s Legacy

128 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:33:19am

re: #111 EmmmieG

The female side of the Huntsman family is easy on the eyes.

Not that they’d have anything to do with those commentators, but that is a correct assessment.

I gotta hand it to the Romneys and the Huntsmans, they are good looking folks. I can’t believe all of that white perfection isn’t more appealing to the GOP base. Seriously, they look like they came out of an Abercrombie and Fitch catalog.

129 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:33:50am

re: #123 moderatelyradicalliberal

It’s liberal trolls trying to make conservatives look bad!!111!!

That’s exactly what they said after that comment.

130 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:34:45am

re: #124 Charles

I still use my Kindle every day. It’s one of the best gadget purchases I ever made.

And by the way, if anyone IS thinking of buying a Kindle, don’t forget to click through to Amazon from one of the LGF links, and help support LGF. You get the same deal, and we get a small commission.

I’ve got all the current Kindles listed in the LGF Store: [Link: astore.amazon.com…]

It really is something else. I’ll check out the Amazon LGF page. Sounds good.

131 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:35:01am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

re: #126 Alexzander

I think Huck made a big mistake not running this year, but god told him not to, so what do I know. But I think he’s a good choice to reach out to the right without the baggage that Santorum brings with him, plus he’s far more likable. Every time I see him on Jon Stewart or Colbert I want to hate the man, but he has that Arkansas charm that must be in the water down there or something.

132 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:35:33am

re: #129 Charles

That’s exactly what they said after that comment.

Oh Jesus. I’m not sure how I fell about being able to think like a wingnut and predict their behavior.

133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:35:39am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

That’s a subject I need to educate myself more on. I finished a Mickey Mantle bio last night. Light reading but reading baseball biographies is my hobby. Highly recommend the Kindle to anyone, it’s truly great.

Oh yeah, same here - it’s something that pops up in my world from time to time. I was already on that subject for personal reasons, when all that nonsense between .tr and .fr hit the fan over the holidays. Difficult.

134 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:37:52am

re: #128 moderatelyradicalliberal

I gotta hand it to the Romneys and the Huntsmans, they are good looking folks. I can’t believe all of that white perfection isn’t more appealing to the GOP base. Seriously, they look like they came out of an Abercrombie and Fitch catalog.

td;nb

Too dark, not blond. /

135 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:37:56am

re: #127 Obdicut

This one of Koufax is great:

A Lefty’s Legacy

Yeah I have that on my list of what I want to read. I read the Mays one by James Hirsch last winter, and David Maraniss’s Clemente one this past summer. Probably going to get Leigh Montville’s Ted Williams one next. Jane Leavy who wrote the Mantle one also wrote the Koufax one. It was a different type of biography but I enjoyed it especially since she’s my Dad’s age and my Dad had many of the same debates with his friends growing up about Mickey or Mays. Dad loves Mays to this day. So it was kind of fitting that me his first born was born on the 24th which he said was his lucky number and it is now mine too.

136 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:38:42am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

In A Lefty’s Legacy, she interleaves chapters about Koufax’s life and career with chapters about innings in one of his games. It’s really effective.

137 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:39:53am

re: #131 JasonA

re: #126 Alexzander

I think Huck made a big mistake not running this year, but god told him not to, so what do I know. But I think he’s a good choice to reach out to the right without the baggage that Santorum brings with him, plus he’s far more likable. Every time I see him on Jon Stewart or Colbert I want to hate the man, but he has that Arkansas charm that must be in the water down there or something.

I agree. He could have given Romney a run for his money in Iowa and beyond. And yeah far more likable than Santorum who just comes across as a total jerk. Huckabee is one too but he can be likable.

138 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:42:17am

re: #136 Obdicut

In A Lefty’s Legacy, she interleaves chapters about Koufax’s life and career with chapters about innings in one of his games. It’s really effective.

Sounds neat. The Mays and Clemente ones were more traditional but great reads as well. I like reading about players from my dad and grandfathers’ times. Always liked Clemente given my family’s roots in Pittsburgh and that he was a great humanitarian as well. Even got a Clemente T-shirt in Pittsburgh last year when I went to a game.

139 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:45:15am

It’s funny - wingnut blogs are starting to delete racist comments now, but only because they believe leftists are planting them.

140 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:47:28am

re: #49 Alexzander

That’s the oldest trick in the book - cherrypick the bad sides and say they depict the whole. In fact, wingnuts tried this with MLK too, “highlighting” his flawed human side we all have. Thankfully, didn’t work.

141 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:47:41am

re: #139 Charles

Do they actually believe their own bullshit about that?

142 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:48:06am

re: #139 Charles

It’s funny - wingnut blogs are starting to delete racist comments now, but only because they believe leftists are planting them.

Takes a special kind of delusion to think left wingers go around writing stuff on right wing blogs to make right wingers look bad. I guess that’s why FoxNation reads more like Stormfront these days, not because right wingers are asses but because the left is tryign to amke them look bad.

143 erik_t  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:48:26am

re: #139 Charles

It’s funny - wingnut blogs are starting to delete racist comments now, but only because they believe leftists are planting them.

Takes me back to undergraduate.

Why are the urinals at $UNIVERSITY numbered?

Soviet trick!

144 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:49:21am

re: #141 Obdicut

Do they actually believe their own bullshit about that?

The dumber ones probably do. The smarter ones know they’re lying.

145 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:52:29am

re: #144 Charles

The dumber ones probably do. The smarter ones know they’re lying.

Then there’s all the racist emails that get forwarded, all the racist rhetoric from GOP politicians, all the racist opposition to Sotomayor, and all the racist attempts at voter suppression: can’t really pretend those are liberal plants. They can, and do, pretend all of that isn’t really racist, somehow.

146 garhighway  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:53:06am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

I agree. He could have given Romney a run for his money in Iowa and beyond. And yeah far more likable than Santorum who just comes across as a total jerk. Huckabee is one too but he can be likable.

He never had access to enough money to be a serious threat to anyone. Politics in the modern era was, is and always will be about money. (And especially so in the era of Citizens United.) Watch where the big money in the GOP is going and you have your winner. The money was never going to Huck and he knew it.

147 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:53:35am

re: #68 RadicalModerate

Do you realize that you’re making the same argument against OWS as the John Birch Society and the Council of Conservative Citizens/White Citizens Councils were making against Dr. King’s movement in the 1960s?

An unfair comparison. In other circumstances I would’ve complained. But after all the “rapey stabby heroin let’s mace some hippies” stuff I’m kinda chilly. What’s good for the goose…

148 leftynyc  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:53:44am

re: #7 Charles

He’ll pick a far right social conservative to placate the religious right - possibly Rick Santorum. It will be a replay of 2008.

The names I keep hearing are the Gov from Virginia and the senator from Ohio (Portman?).

149 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:53:56am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Takes a special kind of delusion to think left wingers go around writing stuff on right wing blogs to make right wingers look bad. I guess that’s why FoxNation reads more like Stormfront these days, not because right wingers are asses but because the left is tryign to amke them look bad.

Well, it just reveals their own thinking about how to use the internet.

150 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:55:59am

re: #146 garhighway

He never had access to enough money to be a serious threat to anyone. Politics in the modern era was, is and always will be about money. (And especially so in the era of Citizens United.) Watch where the big money in the GOP is going and you have your winner. The money was never going to Huck and he knew it.

True that. Huckabee is not at all popular with the corporate crowd.

151 Political Atheist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:56:37am

We need a national primary day.

This is bullshit that forty something states have now have far less effective say in the primary.

Time after time ( I first registered in ‘78) what might have been the better man or woman gets shut out early. Those who argue they need the time and can’t manage a campaign like that are just not thinking this through. if you can’t campaign on a national basis, you are likely unable to lead well at all on a national basis.

152 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:58:39am

re: #151 Rightwingconspirator

We need a national primary day.

This is a matter for the parties to decide, I don’t know why they allow it. I can only hope that this year is such a disaster for the GOP that they sit down and rework their rules.

153 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:59:12am

re: #139 Charles

It’s funny - wingnut blogs are starting to delete racist comments now, but only because they believe leftists are planting them.

If they really believe that let’s see them block the posters altogether. Bet they won’t.

154 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 11:59:21am

re: #145 Obdicut

Then there’s all the racist emails that get forwarded, all the racist rhetoric from GOP politicians, all the racist opposition to Sotomayor, and all the racist attempts at voter suppression: can’t really pretend those are liberal plants. They can, and do, pretend all of that isn’t really racist, somehow.

They have been acting like this for many generations.

Well, maybe not the email-forwarding part. / lol

155 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:00:05pm

re: #152 ralphieboy

This is a matter for the parties to decide, I don’t know why they allow it. I can only hope that this year is such a disaster for the GOP that they sit down and rework their rules.

Actually, it’s up to the states. They’re the ones paying for them, after all.

156 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:00:26pm

I think the most fucked up thing I saw was the speaker of the Kansas legislature saying he wished Sasha and Malia Obama were fatherless. Just a what the hell is wrong with you asshole moment and why are you in elected office.

157 garhighway  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:00:50pm

re: #152 ralphieboy

This is a matter for the parties to decide, I don’t know why they allow it. I can only hope that this year is such a disaster for the GOP that they sit down and rework their rules.

They would have to be willing to get tough with NH and Iowa, and that will happen only in some parallel universe.

158 Political Atheist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:01:01pm

re: #152 ralphieboy

I do not think that should be left to the partisans. Let the parties comply with a sharp set of rules that befit the whole voting population. Particularly to further democratize the system. We have seen enough partisan self regulation already IMHO.

159 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:02:43pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Takes a special kind of delusion to think left wingers go around writing stuff on right wing blogs to make right wingers look bad. I guess that’s why FoxNation reads more like Stormfront these days, not because right wingers are asses but because the left is tryign to amke them look bad.

It’s such utter BS to claim that they have no control over what gets posted at their blogs. Every blog has to be moderated, which includes Yahoo and Fox forums, because if they didn’t have some kind of moderation the forums would become totally unreadable due to the tsunami of SPAM comments that would overwhelm the entire conversation.

It’s true that most blogs have some kind of spamblock, but spammers frequently get around this by posting some innocuous comment like “I love this blog, keep up the good work!” and their username is something like getcheapviagra

160 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:03:11pm

re: #154 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They have been acting like this for many generations.

Well, there’s a big difference. It used to be that you’d see a hell of a lot more of actual defenses of racism, rather than denying that it was really racism.

Now you get a lot of obviously racist things, with people claiming, against all reason and sense, that these things are not racist.

Then there’s libertarians who sincerely aren’t racist in thought, but endorse policies that have a completely racist effect, since they’re concerned with ideology and not the real world— i.e the short-sighted idiots who think that businesses should be able to ban people of other races if they want.

There’s a more limited group of people— which has grown in the recent years, but is still smaller— who actually admit to being racist, than there were back in, say, the ’60s.

161 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:03:45pm

re: #151 Rightwingconspirator

We need a national primary day.

This is bullshit that forty something states have now have far less effective say in the primary.

Time after time ( I first registered in ‘78) what might have been the better man or woman gets shut out early. Those who argue they need the time and can’t manage a campaign like that are just not thinking this through. if you can’t campaign on a national basis, you are likely unable to lead well at all on a national basis.

*shrug*

See, I think parties should be free to do primaries any way they want. What I despise is that the party selection process is heavily funded by taxpayer money. And that the person selected waives other requirements and is automatically on the ballot.

162 Atlas Fails  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:04:18pm

re: #154 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They have been acting like this for many generations.

I remember when John Lewis appeared at an OWS protest, and some mild controversy was generated when some in the crowd (foolishly, in my opinion) decided they didn’t want him, or anyone else, singled out to speak. Breitbart ran it under a headline like “Civil Rights Hero Silenced by OWS!!!” or something similar. When I read the comments, I’m pretty sure there were more complaining about the headline calling Lewis a civil rights hero than there were about OWS. You know, because Lewis was keeping The Blacks on the plantation by voting against welfare reform and supporting affirmative action and abortion rights.

163 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:04:24pm

The wingnutosphere is busily reinforcing their false memes today.

At Hot Air there are hundreds of comments ranting that MLK was a “Republican,” and that proves Democrats are the real racists.

And Andrew Breitbart’s now pushing the “Hitler was a socialist” idiocy.

164 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:04:44pm

re: #158 Rightwingconspirator

I do not think that should be left to the partisans. Let the parties comply with a sharp set of rules that befit the whole voting population. Particularly to further democratize the system. We have seen enough partisan self regulation already IMHO.

I think it would be better to have a unified primary election, and I hope the parties come to see the light on the issue and institute one.

But I do not see how we could force the parties to comply. There is no law on the books nor any Constitutional authority to pass one.

165 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:06:02pm

re: #163 Charles

The wingnutosphere is busily reinforcing their false memes today.

At Hot Air there are hundreds of comments ranting that MLK was a “Republican,” and that proves Democrats are the real racists.

And Andrew Breitbart’s now pushing the “Hitler was a socialist” idiocy.

Is anybody still touting that bogus “Anti-Zionist Letter”? I remember last year it was being Twittered all over even though the hoax was exposed over 10 years ago.

166 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:06:43pm

re: #161 kirkspencer

*shrug*

See, I think parties should be free to do primaries any way they want. What I despise is that the party selection process is heavily funded by taxpayer money. And that the person selected waives other requirements and is automatically on the ballot.

I really would like to see parties paying for their own primaries. Let them be held accountable.

167 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:07:10pm

re: #160 Obdicut

Well, there’s a big difference. It used to be that you’d see a hell of a lot more of actual defenses of racism, rather than denying that it was really racism.

Now you get a lot of obviously racist things, with people claiming, against all reason and sense, that these things are not racist.

Maybe where you are.

That behavior is basic to west coast white bigotry and legal/social/economic supremacy, dating back to the turn of last century — the Workingmen’s Party was just protecting the interests of white working men from everyone else coming to take our stuff, blah blah.

Same old dumb bigots, different millennium.

168 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:07:13pm

re: #164 ralphieboy

I think it would be better to have a unified primary election, and I hope the parties come to see the light on the issue and institute one.

But I do not see how we could force the parties to comply. There is no law on the books nor any Constitutional authority to pass one.

In the party’s general interest to remain the primary news story for as long as possible. Especially if you’re considering putting up a candidate against an incumbant and need time to build up name recognition.

Arguably time to vet a candidate a bit as well. Otherwise you might get someone hastily selected without any real digging done on their background.

169 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:07:18pm

re: #166 JasonA

I really would like to see parties paying for their own primaries. Let them be held accountable.

That would make sense and force them to be more reasonable about scheduling them.

170 Atlas Fails  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:07:32pm

re: #163 Charles

The wingnutosphere is busily reinforcing their false memes today.

At Hot Air there are hundreds of comments ranting that MLK was a “Republican,” and that proves Democrats are the real racists.

And Andrew Breitbart’s now pushing the “Hitler was a socialist” idiocy.

I’m so glad the right has apparently embraced everything MLK stood for, including his strong critiques of economic inequality! Maybe it’s time for me to re-register as a Republican!

/as if

171 erik_t  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:08:06pm

re: #151 Rightwingconspirator

We need a national primary day.

This is bullshit that forty something states have now have far less effective say in the primary.

Time after time ( I first registered in ‘78) what might have been the better man or woman gets shut out early. Those who argue they need the time and can’t manage a campaign like that are just not thinking this through. if you can’t campaign on a national basis, you are likely unable to lead well at all on a national basis.

I’m down with the idea, but only if combined with IRV.

172 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:08:14pm

re: #169 ralphieboy

That would make sense and force them to be more reasonable about scheduling them.

Yup. And the states could save money.

173 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:09:28pm

re: #171 erik_t

I’m down with the idea, but only if combined with IRV.

Great idea if you have a well-informed electorate…

174 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:09:32pm

If Romney wins in Nov 2012, he can torture the wing nuts by appointing Huntsman to a key cabinet position … Maybe Sec of Commerce

175 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:10:47pm

You either see one of two things. Either attack MLK as a Communist or claim he was one of their own. Anyhow, I see the Civil Rights movement and supporting and opposing it as a battle not between Democrats and Republicans but rather liberalism versus conservatism. The Republicans and Democrats that by and large embraced Civil Rights were moderates and liberals. The dixiecrats were not liberals and were by and large more conservative than the Democratic party as a whole on issues otehr than Civil Rights.

176 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:10:52pm

re: #171 erik_t

I’m down with the idea, but only if combined with IRV.

People would think it was some kind of communicable disease…

177 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:11:04pm

re: #167 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Maybe where you are.

Nope. I’m talking about a national scale. It is now less socially acceptable to openly say that you’re a racist.

That behavior is basic to west coast white bigotry and legal/social/economic supremacy, dating back to the turn of last century — the Workingmen’s Party was just protecting the interests of white working men from everyone else coming to take our stuff, blah blah.

Sure, it’s not new. That wasn’t the point. There really, really are sincere glibertarians who actually aren’t racist, who actually believe their own Horatio Alger bullshit, who really believe that they’re color-blind.

There’s a big difference to be drawn between being a racist— someone who believes races actually exist, basically— and holding positions that have a racist effect. A lot of people support school vouchers, for example, out of racism, but a lot of people support them for a panoply of other reasons.

178 erik_t  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:11:12pm

re: #173 JasonA

Great idea if you have a well-informed electorate…

Well, a one-day primary without such a change would be, if possible, even more talking-head-dominated than the current system.

179 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:11:26pm

This “Hitler was a left-winger” stuff is annoying because even if he did have some specific “left-wing” ideas, it’s not because of them that his name is damned in history. It’s because of his right-wing, nationalistic stuff taken to the extreme. Having some left-wing ideas does not make one a left-winger. If one is to approach these matters this primitively, then one might as well “accuse” Hitler of centrism - some left-wing ideas, some right-wing ideas, middle-of-the-road guy, eh?

180 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:11:41pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Liberal Republicans? What planet are these folks from?

/

181 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:11:47pm

re: #162 Atlas Fails

re: #174 _RememberTonyC

Right. We’re all supposed to go vote for the party of the Confederate flag, which knows what’s good for us. Because we don’t it proves our moral failures and intellectual inferiority. e_e

The dumbest people on the internet are always confederates. Never, ever fails.

182 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:12:30pm

re: #177 Obdicut

Nope. I’m talking about a national scale. It is now less socially acceptable to openly say that you’re a racist.

No, it isn’t.

Read the internet, lately?

183 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:14:12pm

re: #179 Sergey Romanov

This “Hitler was a left-winger” stuff is annoying because even if he did have some specific “left-wing” ideas, it’s not because of them that his name is damned in history. It’s because of his right-wing, nationalistic stuff taken to the extreme. Having some left-wing ideas does not make one a left-winger. If one is to approach these matters this primitively, then one might as well “accuse” Hitler of centrism - some left-wing ideas, some right-wing ideas, middle-of-the-road guy, eh?

But the Nazis had the word “Socialist” in their name. Don’t you see, that PROVES IT!!!1

184 Atlas Fails  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:14:50pm

LOL @ FreeRepublic comments:

I hope folks will get over their guilt and pity for this half-black Kenyan who disgraced himself by marrying a street cheap wookie.
Am I the only suffering from race card fatigue?

185 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:15:02pm

re: #177 Obdicut

There’s a big difference to be drawn between being a racist— someone who believes races actually exist, basically— and holding positions that have a racist effect. A lot of people support school vouchers, for example, out of racism, but a lot of people support them for a panoply of other reasons.

We are all racist to a degree: we base our attitudes about people based on appearance, and race is a major indicator.

It is the extent to which we treat people differently based on race that makes racism. If we prefer not to interact with them socially, that is a matter of personal choice.

But if we believe that they should be treated differently under the law, then that is another matter entirely.

186 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:15:09pm

The Hitler was a leftist meme totally ignores actual history given that outside the Jewish people, Hitler’s biggest targets were members of the political left. The argument I often see done is “The Nazis called themselves socialists ergo they were on the left and socialists.” It’s such a stupid argument. Anyhow, the Nazis and fascism represented a “third way” that many on the right especially the European far right embraced during that time period.

187 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:15:37pm

re: #182 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No, it isn’t.

Read the internet, lately?

Yep, which is what I’m getting at: anonymously, on the internet, people are a lot more willing to say they’re racists than in actual, known conversation. In the past, most of those same people wouldn’t have had any compunction about saying it publicly, with their identities known.

188 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:15:53pm

re: #184 Atlas Fails

LOL @ FreeRepublic comments:

It must suck to be them. What a miserable loser.

189 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:16:36pm

re: #187 Obdicut

Yep, which is what I’m getting at: anonymously, on the internet, people are a lot more willing to say they’re racists than in actual, known conversation.

Ever talked to an actual, known one as a Black person? They’ll tell you all manner of shit, right to your face.

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:16:42pm

re: #116 moderatelyradicalliberal

The fact that OWS didn’t know who John Lewis was and actually turned him away from speaking told me that OWS wouldn’t get nearly as far as it could with a popular message. Real movements need organization, leadership and strategy. There’s simply no getting around that. You need a lot more than “hell no, we won’t go”. If there is anybody that OWS should have allowed to speak and be in regular contact with it’s John Lewis. He’s a warrior and his movement was amazingly successful given what they were up against. OWS had an even easier message to sell and they’re mostly white so I think they kinda blew it. At lease income inequality and vulture capitalism is now a part of the conversation so it’s not a total loss.

I think they had a strong sense of ‘we’re totally new, and we’re gonna do this TOTALLY different’ that hindered them from realizing they should cultivate some elders. Add privilege, historical ignorance, and the high number of white kids present that day, and stir vigorously, until all the fizz goes out.

191 Political Atheist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:16:51pm

Romney won by just a few votes. Eight was it? What follows is why I say we do need to push ID to anyone who lacks it then have voter ID in place.

900 dead people voted?!
huffingtonpost.com

wyff4.com

I’m feeling a tiny bit vindicated on some points that have been tough to persuade on. Close elections matter. Reducing the error margin is important. Voter ID helps do that. Ya just gotta push ID out to those who lack it first.

192 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:17:04pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

The Hitler was a leftist meme totally ignores actual history given that outside the Jewish people, Hitler’s biggest targets were members of the political left. The argument I often see done is “The Nazis called themselves socialists ergo they were on the left and socialists.” It’s such a stupid argument. Anyhow, the Nazis and fascism represented a “third way” that many on the right especially the European far right embraced during that time period.

Note that much of the embracement in the US, mostly from our then-1%ers, was because it was the Front Line against Communism.

193 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:17:07pm

re: #185 ralphieboy

We are all racist to a degree: we base our attitudes about people based on appearance, and race is a major indicator.

Define race, then.

But if we believe that they should be treated differently under the law, then that is another matter entirely.

The social stuff matters a lot too. Ostracism, glass ceilings, etc. is all highly harmful racism. I don’t see a ton of difference between racists who want to keep other people down through legalistic means and through social means.

194 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:17:13pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

“Left” and “right” are arbitrary designations based on the seating arrangements of the French Parliament in the 1800’s: the pro-government faction was seated to the right of the aisle and the anti-government faction to the left in order to avoid fisticuffs.

There is nothing inherently “left” or “right” about any brand of politics, they are merely relative, descriptive terms.

195 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:17:24pm

re: #181 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

re: #174 _RememberTonyC

Right. We’re all supposed to go vote for the party of the Confederate flag, which knows what’s good for us. Because we don’t it proves our moral failures and intellectual inferiority. e_e

The dumbest people on the internet are always confederates. Never, ever fails.

I seem to recall (from reading history, not because I was alive at the time) that the 1860 election was split between FOUR parties. Lincoln won all the Northern states, plus California and Oregon, the “Southern Democrats” (who would go on to become the Confederacy) won the Southern states, “Constitutional Union” party took three midline states and the Democrats took exactly one state.

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:17:32pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Don’t they hate each others guts. Not that it really matters since Mitt wants to win more than make friends but I think Huckabee is a realistic possibility if not someone like him. Romney needs someone with blue collar appeal and he himself sorely lacks that.

Well, Huckabee did go negative on Mormons back before it was popular.

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:17:54pm

re: #128 moderatelyradicalliberal

I gotta hand it to the Romneys and the Huntsmans, they are good looking folks. I can’t believe all of that white perfection isn’t more appealing to the GOP base. Seriously, they look like they came out of an Abercrombie and Fitch catalog.

Certainly, compared to Newt…

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:19:24pm

re: #139 Charles

It’s funny - wingnut blogs are starting to delete racist comments now, but only because they believe leftists are planting them.

Well, maybe that’s a start. If they start to think of racist comments as a ‘lefty’ thing, perhaps it will eventually modify their own speech.

//Too much to hope for?

199 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:19:27pm

re: #192 kirkspencer

Note that much of the embracement in the US, mostly from our then-1%ers, was because it was the Front Line against Communism.

Yep, and it’s also worth noting that Hitler and the Nazis got a ton of support from industrialists within Germany. The modern right either is willingly or oblivious to the historical tendency of many on the old right towards Anti-Semitism. As I am sure Sergey can vouch, the biggest Anti-Semites during the lead up to the Russian Revolution were right wing monarchists who linked the Jewish people with Bolshevism much like Hitler later did.

200 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:19:41pm

re: #193 Obdicut

Define race, then.

The social stuff matters a lot too. Ostracism, glass ceilings, etc. is all highly harmful racism. I don’t see a ton of difference between racists who want to keep other people down through legalistic means and through social means.

Race is also a very subjective matter, based mainly on our notions of appearances. Somebody one-eighth black migh appear “white” to us, but would have been considered “black” under slavery.

And I neglected to include social and economic discrimination along with legal discrimination.

201 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:20:51pm

re: #194 ralphieboy

“Left” and “right” are arbitrary designations based on the seating arrangements of the French Parliament in the 1800’s: the pro-government faction was seated to the right of the aisle and the anti-government faction to the left in order to avoid fisticuffs.

There is nothing inherently “left” or “right” about any brand of politics, they are merely relative, descriptive terms.

This is true too. I thought it was the French revolutionary assembly though with the monarchists/land owners on the right and the republicans/peasants on the left.

202 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:21:49pm

re: #183 Charles

But the Nazis had the word “Socialist” in their name. Don’t you see, that PROVES IT!!!1

Next in program: claim that Zhirinovsky’s Liberal Democratic Party is both. Then proclaim Democratic People’s Republic of Korea a shining example to be followed. It’s a democratic republic, what’s not to like?

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:21:54pm

re: #184 Atlas Fails

LOL @ FreeRepublic comments:

I feel a lot of things toward Obama, including sometimes intense frustration, but ‘guilt’ and ‘pity’ are not high up on the list.

204 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:22:00pm

re: #189 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ever talked to an actual, known one as a Black person?

Why do you think it’s in any way clever or helpful to your argument to be so freaking ridiculous? Come on, dude. It’s so bad it’s funny.

They’ll tell you all manner of shit, right to your face.

Some will, some won’t. Some will smile to your face and then deny you the job based on your race, or some will think that they’re not in the least bit racist but endorse policies that have the effect of discriminating against one race.

Bigots come in a nice variety pack of flavors, and it’s a good idea to be able to distinguish between them in order to stymie them.

205 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:23:55pm

re: #199 HappyWarrior

Yep, and it’s also worth noting that Hitler and the Nazis got a ton of support from industrialists within Germany. The modern right either is willingly or oblivious to the historical tendency of many on the old right towards Anti-Semitism. As I am sure Sergey can vouch, the biggest Anti-Semites during the lead up to the Russian Revolution were right wing monarchists who linked the Jewish people with Bolshevism much like Hitler later did.

Yes. HW studied this monarchist guy, Markov II (who later worked with the Nazis), and I’ve read one of his speeches that is more or less indistinguishable from the wingnuttery of today. He explicitly uses the “right” and “left” labels, calling himself right-wing, and lambasting left-wingers and Jews (substitute Muslims and you’re all set).

206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:24:03pm

re: #200 ralphieboy

Race is also a very subjective matter, based mainly on our notions of appearances. Somebody one-eighth black migh appear “white” to us,

Lol define “us”. /

but would have been considered “black” under slavery.

A lot more than slavery, and a lot more than just “blacks”, too. Those one-drop laws came about after slavery, during segregation. This 1911 one in particular affected my grandmother’s classification.

On the west coast, white-bigot ire was directed at Mexicans and Asians, and it was every bit as nasty as the northeast, southeast and midwest against Blacks.

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:24:29pm

re: #199 HappyWarrior

Yep, and it’s also worth noting that Hitler and the Nazis got a ton of support from industrialists within Germany. The modern right either is willingly or oblivious to the historical tendency of many on the old right towards Anti-Semitism. As I am sure Sergey can vouch, the biggest Anti-Semites during the lead up to the Russian Revolution were right wing monarchists who linked the Jewish people with Bolshevism much like Hitler later did.

Neither the right nor the left are willing to claim either their historical or current racism or their historical or current anti-Semitism. It’s just too easy to see in the other guys, and too easy to excuse in oneself.

208 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:25:01pm

re: #200 ralphieboy

Race is also a very subjective matter, based mainly on our notions of appearances.

Indeedy.

And I neglected to include social and economic discrimination along with legal discrimination.

Yeah— I was just trying to point out that if someone tries to avoid other races in their social race, that does have a huge effect and isn’t something that should really be tolerated. I’m not saying they should be forced to socialize nor anything, but it’s still a dumb, racist attitude that should get called out whenever it’s seen.

209 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:25:05pm

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist

Neither the right nor the left are willing to claim either their historical or current racism or their historical or current anti-Semitism. It’s just too easy to see in the other guys, and too easy to excuse in oneself.

The folly of blind partisanship.

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:25:11pm

re: #202 Sergey Romanov

Next in program: claim that Zhirinovsky’s Liberal Democratic Party is both. Then proclaim Democratic People’s Republic of Korea a shining example to be followed. It’s a democratic republic, what’s not to like?

Jon Stewart contends that you can tell how awful a country is by the number of lies in the official name of the country.

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:26:13pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

The folly of blind partisanship.

Also, if you admitted the dynamic, you might actually have to change. No one wants to change.

212 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:27:04pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

Jon Stewart contends that you can tell how awful a country is by the number of lies in the official name of the country.

I would add the presence of the still-living leader on the money.

213 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:27:17pm

re: #204 Obdicut

Bigots come in a nice variety pack of flavors, and it’s a good idea to be able to distinguish between them in order to stymie them.

That, it is.

After four centuries of doing it, you’d think someone would have written a manual on it, by now. /

214 Political Atheist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:28:32pm

re: #171 erik_t

I’m down with the idea, but only if combined with IRV.

Interesting, I have not thought that on through. Yet.

215 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:30:29pm

re: #205 Sergey Romanov

Yes. HW studied this monarchist guy, Markov II (who later worked with the Nazis), and I’ve read one of his speeches that is more or less indistinguishable from the wingnuttery of today. He explicitly uses the “right” and “left” labels, calling himself right-wing, and lambasting left-wingers and Jews (substitute Muslims and you’re all set).

en.wikipedia.org
Yes, I mentioned him in my essay on the pogroms. And yep the way many scapegoated Jews in Russia during that time in mindset at least reminds of what many would like to do to Muslims today. Markov and those like him would laugh if you said they were on the left. In fact, I personally challenge anyone who believes Nazis are on the left to tell a Neo-Nazi that. And it is also true as you say that the Nazis had some left wing positions but it’s also true that Hitler purged the “left wing” element of his party out early on during the Night of Long Knives. Ernst Rohm, Gregor Stresser, all dead real early on in The Third Reich.

216 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:31:03pm

re: #208 Obdicut

Indeedy.

Yeah— I was just trying to point out that if someone tries to avoid other races in their social race, that does have a huge effect and isn’t something that should really be tolerated. I’m not saying they should be forced to socialize nor anything, but it’s still a dumb, racist attitude that should get called out whenever it’s seen.

I prefer Nina Simone’s take (2:38):

Youtube Video

You don’t have to live next to me / Just give me my equality

Such a frickin genius.

217 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:31:08pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

Jon Stewart contends that you can tell how awful a country is by the number of lies in the official name of the country.

United States of America fares pretty badly under that rule.

We are united, but it’s not just states, and it’s not all the states in the Americas that are united.

But those are more trivial lies than stuff like “People’s” or “Democratic”.

218 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:33:39pm

re: #204 Obdicut

Some will smile to your face and then deny you the job based on your race

Impossible! The Blacks™ are the real racists, now! /

219 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:33:47pm

I think Stewart’s America book had a pretty funny parody of that naming system using Congo as an example. Yep, page 195:
“Shiny, Happy People’s Democratic Republic of Congo has five inherent lies in its name earning it a “Hide” on the Oppressive level.

220 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:34:21pm

re: #183 Charles

But the Nazis had the word “Socialist” in their name. Don’t you see, that PROVES IT!!!1

By that standard China and East Germany are/were democratic and representative than the USA.

221 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:35:16pm

re: #217 Obdicut

So, how does “Kingdom of Norway” fit? If you only knew it’s name, you would think it was much was than it is (being near the tippy-top).

222 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:36:15pm

re: #217 Obdicut

We’d have to change our name to “Serene Commonality of Svelte Perspicacious Intellectuals” to really rank with the audacity of names like “People’s Democratic Republic of Korea”.

223 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:38:44pm

I think you could add: How many things are optional?

I’ve never heard of someone coming under scrutiny for failing to set off fireworks, or fly a flag, or even stand up during the national anthem. Right now it’s not even mandatory to serve in the army during a war.

You can even eat your apple pie without ice cream.

224 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:39:21pm

re: #223 EmmmieG

You couldn’t, however, not wear a flag pin during the last presidential race without people screaming and fainting.

225 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:39:26pm

the phrase “People’s dictatorship” always struck me as interesting.

226 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:39:38pm

re: #221 ProLifeLiberal

So, how does “Kingdom of Norway” fit? If you only knew it’s name, you would think it was much was than it is (being near the tippy-top).

It’s completely accurate. They have royalty, and it is Norway.

227 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:39:51pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

One more thing: as we know, these self-described right-wing, committedly anti-socialist monarchists were a big influence on the Nazis, supported them and sometimes worked for them. Apparently, they didn’t care about the “socialist” part in the label, knowing it’s just that, a label.

228 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:40:09pm

re: #212 Sergey Romanov

I would add the presence of the still-living leader on the money.

I look quite good on Galactic currency thankyouverymuch!
:P

229 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:40:19pm

re: #224 Obdicut

You couldn’t, however, not wear a flag pin during the last presidential race without people screaming and fainting.

Only if you were running for office. The rest of us could do as we pleased.

230 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:41:01pm

re: #226 EmmmieG

You would think Kingdom has certain connotations though. Like Saudi Arabia. Or the Medieval European Kingdoms.

231 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:41:17pm

re: #229 EmmmieG

Only if you were running for office. The rest of us could do as we pleased.

Politicians Are People Too!

232 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:41:37pm

re: #230 ProLifeLiberal

You would think Kingdom has certain connotations though. Like Saudi Arabia. Or the Medieval European Kingdoms.

It’s not a republic or a democracy.

233 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:41:43pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Yes, I mentioned him in my essay on the pogroms. And yep the way many scapegoated Jews in Russia during that time in mindset at least reminds of what many would like to do to Muslims today. Markov and those like him would laugh if you said they were on the left. In fact, I personally challenge anyone who believes Nazis are on the left to tell a Neo-Nazi that. And it is also true as you say that the Nazis had some left wing positions but it’s also true that Hitler purged the “left wing” element of his party out early on during the Night of Long Knives. Ernst Rohm, Gregor Stresser, all dead real early on in The Third Reich.

Yeah and Strasserism is making a comeback amongst the “national anarchist” types. We have a bunch of skinheadded bigots here called BANA (Bay Area National Anarchists), though they are every bit as impotent and frightened, running off the fumes of xenophobic paranoia as their predecessors.

RWNJ are so stupid, lazy and ignorant. The 3rd Reich targeted and killed leftists, socialists, commies, etc. Were the same thing to crop up again, they would be all sitting around, cheering it.

234 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:43:43pm

Whew! Just got back my Performance Review. Got a score of satisfactory+

I was so nervous they would scold me for spending too much time on LGF but since I get all my assignments done ahead of time…I can get more and new assignments. :)

235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:44:08pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

the phrase “People’s dictatorship” always struck me as interesting.

Ha, as does “self-ownership”, at least the way it’s formulated by some cranks. Yes, I am the property of myself, how swell for me. Lol /

236 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:45:05pm

re: #235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ha, as does “self-ownership”, at least the way it’s formulated by some cranks. Yes, I am the property of myself, how swell for me. Lol /

Actually, if you lived in NK, you would not own you, so…how swell for you.

237 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:46:18pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

the phrase “People’s dictatorship” always struck me as interesting.

I was dumbfounded when I first found the phrase “dictatorship of the proletariat” in some Soviet brochure. “Hey, isn’t dictatorship always bad?!”. Interesting how shades of meaning change.

238 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:46:57pm

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

239 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:47:40pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

{{hoops}}

240 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:47:54pm

re: #236 EmmmieG

Actually, if you lived in NK, you would not own you, so…how swell for you.

The US is still too hung up on the concept of “ownership” in general, afaic.

241 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:47:56pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

My sincere condolences, Hoops.

242 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:47:59pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

(((HH)))
my condolences, man

243 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:48:17pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

My condolences.

244 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:48:17pm

re: #216 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I prefer Nina Simone’s take (2:38):

[Video]You don’t have to live next to me / Just give me my equality

Such a frickin genius.

Nina Simone auto-upding.

My favorite YouTube of her is the one where she tells someone in the audience to SIT DOWN.

245 Pamela Gellar [sic(k)]  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:48:17pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

{hoops} I’m so sorry for your loss.

246 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:48:37pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

Aw Hoosier. So sorry to hear this. So sorry.

247 Professor Chaos  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:49:41pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Sorry for your loss, Hoops.

248 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:50:10pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

{{Hoops}}

Have a safe trip.

249 albusteve  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:50:32pm

my regards Hoops…life goes on for him through you

250 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:50:38pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

My condolences to you and yours.

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:50:41pm

re: #217 Obdicut

United States of America fares pretty badly under that rule.

We are united, but it’s not just states, and it’s not all the states in the Americas that are united.

But those are more trivial lies than stuff like “People’s” or “Democratic”.

Well, ‘United’ is relatively accurate, we are made up of states on one level, and we are IN America and could be said to be ‘of’ it. So there’s a slight skewing going on, but not outright whoppers like “Democratic Republic of Congo”.

252 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:51:06pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

My sympathy.

253 Atlas Fails  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:51:07pm

Sorry to hear your news, Hoops. You have my condolences.

254 zora  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:51:16pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

i’m sorry for your loss. you and yours are in my prayers.

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:51:18pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

I think Stewart’s America book had a pretty funny parody of that naming system using Congo as an example. Yep, page 195:
“Shiny, Happy People’s Democratic Republic of Congo has five inherent lies in its name earning it a “Hide” on the Oppressive level.

Yes, I think that’s the thing I’m thinking of.

256 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:51:57pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

I am sorry for your loss.

257 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:52:54pm

Ok, deliverable due tomorrow - must now go do right by MLK’s memory and be a thriving Black Professional.

258 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:53:02pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

I was just being nitpicky and pointing out some of the states are commonwealths, though that makes no difference constitutionally so it’s really a distinction without a difference.

259 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:53:09pm

Sir Humphrey: East Yemen, isn’t that a democracy?
Foreign Office Official: Its full name is the Peoples’ Democratic Republic of East Yemen.
Sir Humphrey: Ah I see, so it’s a communist dictatorship.

260 Political Atheist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:53:45pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

So sorry to hear that Hoops. A peaceful exit is a blessing of no small importance. Be well.

261 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:55:15pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Condolences Hoops … You mentioned your Dad a number of times over the years. He must have been a special guy and a great Dad. After all, look at what a good guy YOU are. May his soul reside in a beautiful place …

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:55:30pm

re: #223 EmmmieG

I think you could add: How many things are optional?

I’ve never heard of someone coming under scrutiny for failing to set off fireworks, or fly a flag, or even stand up during the national anthem. Right now it’s not even mandatory to serve in the army during a war.

You can even eat your apple pie without ice cream.

The totalitarian principle is, “Everything not forbidden is compulsory”. I think that it makes sense that one measure of freedom is what lies between.

(On a related note, regarding dualities of thought), Treppenwitz thinks he has figured out the problem with Israeli drivers. He says it’s that they believe that everything is either “Forbidden” or “Allowed”. This means that there’s no concept of ‘Allowed, but after the car on your right goes’, or “Allowed, but under certain circumstances”.)

263 Stanley Sea  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:56:52pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops


Hang in there Hoops.

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:57:05pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

I am so sorry. I can tell what a great man he was by the son he raised.

Give our love to your family, and take good care of yourself.

265 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:58:14pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

And here I thought the reason was that most truck drivers in Israel were tank drivers when called into service.

“Get out of the way?” Make me /tanker in Merkava

266 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:00:28pm

re: #228 Varek Raith

I look quite good on Galactic currency thankyouverymuch!
:P

“Your lack of faith in the stability of my currency disturbs me.”
(choking sounds)

267 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:02:49pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops
I am very sorry to hear of your loss.

268 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:04:19pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

:HUG:

269 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:06:09pm

Nuts. My condolenses Hoops. :(

270 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:06:26pm

re: #240 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The US is still too hung up on the concept of “ownership” in general, afaic.

I disagree. Ownership, particularly of yourself and your person, is a very important concept in the United States. It’s the reasoning behind freedom of speech and religion, behind habeas corpus, and our entire economic system.

The state does not own me or my heart or my mind. The state must respect my property as well as my ideas.

I’m good with that.

271 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:09:08pm

re: #191 Rightwingconspirator

Romney won by just a few votes. Eight was it? What follows is why I say we do need to push ID to anyone who lacks it then have voter ID in place.

900 dead people voted?!
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

[Link: www.wyff4.com…]

I’m feeling a tiny bit vindicated on some points that have been tough to persuade on. Close elections matter. Reducing the error margin is important. Voter ID helps do that. Ya just gotta push ID out to those who lack it first.

Keep an open mind.

272 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:11:28pm

Well, I found something discomforting.

Apparently, Sweden still sterilizes Transexuals.

They are trying to fix it, but a Conservative Party is blocking the reform.

273 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:13:41pm

re: #272 ProLifeLiberal

Well, I found something discomforting.

Apparently, Sweden still sterilized Transexuals.

They are trying to fix it, but a Conservative Party is blocking the reform.

A whole new meaning to Swedish Meatballs!

//

274 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:15:26pm

re: #273 sattv4u2

I’m still wondering how that survived.

Even in the US, which is way more conservative, that would be a big no-no.

And yet, it survived in Sweden.

275 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:19:51pm

re: #265 lawhawk

And here I thought the reason was that most truck drivers in Israel were tank drivers when called into service.

“Get out of the way?” Make me /tanker in Merkava

I think it’s also that everyone on the road in a Honda Civic THINKS he or she has a Merkava, even if they’ve never been in the tankers. And a certain amount of mad fatalism.

I understand it’s similar across the region, so perhaps it is just something in the water.

276 Sionainn  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:20:07pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

My condolences, Hoops. It’s very hard to lose a parent.

277 leftynyc  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:46:38pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops


So very sorry for you loss. I will keep you and your family in my prayers.

278 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 2:32:43pm

re: #270 EmmmieG

I disagree. Ownership, particularly of yourself and your person, is a very important concept in the United States. It’s the reasoning behind freedom of speech and religion, behind habeas corpus, and our entire economic system.

The state does not own me or my heart or my mind. The state must respect my property as well as my ideas.

I’m good with that.

The problem comes when exploiter rules come into play.

(Whatever is not nailed down is mine. What I can pry loose is not nailed down. — David Starr Jordan, “The Call of the Nation: A Plea For Taking Politics Out of Politics”)

279 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 3:27:51pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

My condolences. Lost my sister last June. She, like your Father will be missed.

280 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 3:41:19pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

My condolences. May God bless him, you & your family. {{HH}}

281 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 5:10:21pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

I’m sorry to hear of your loss {{HH}}.

282 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 6:27:11pm

re: #270 EmmmieG

The state does not own me or my heart or my mind. The state must respect my property as well as my ideas.

The state does not have the right to let others take someone else as property, either.

We have a historical issue with that here, tore up the entire country over it.

283 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 10:11:06pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Afternoon Lizards
My Dad passed away an hour ago in his sleep..I’m home from work looking for plane reservations to get back to Napa Valley..
Dad was a special man..He will be greatly missed

You were lucky to have him, and he was lucky to have you.
Be well, my friend.
Call anytime,if you need to talk.
(((Hoopster)))
Many hugs for you.


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